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Morning Thread (8-7-2015)
Happy Friday, master debaters.
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:04 AM (St6BJ)
Fuck that. No he hasn't.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 07, 2015 06:04 AM (dhHd4)
Did not watch the debates. Heard Fiorina rocked in the opening event.
Just got a flash that Schumer will vote against the Farsi Farce. Which means that more GOP-e's will vote for it to give him cover with the 2-days-a-year faux Jooz.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:06 AM (St6BJ)
Fuck that. No he hasn't.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 07, 2015 06:04 AM (dhHd4)
Well, yeah. He did. He confirmed he won't get my vote.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:06 AM (St6BJ)
I remember hearing how Stupak and the Blue Dogs were holding out against ObamaCare. It's all a farce.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 07, 2015 06:09 AM (dhHd4)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 07, 2015 06:09 AM (dhHd4)
Oh, I know it's a farce. One look at Schumer and too many others and I can understand how people can be anti-semitic.
I'd like to find a rotting piece of flesh and staple it to his man-vulva, rescinding his circumcision.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:14 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:14 AM (St6BJ)
Heard a good clip from Fiorina re Trump. She politely but firmly pointed out his changing positions on Amnesty, Single-payer and abortion and why he gave money to the Clinton Crime Family.
As much as I am digging Trump's presence to fuck the MFM and the GOP-e, he does have to answer these questions.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:21 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:23 AM (St6BJ)
Fiorina hit it out of the park re Iran and foreign policy.
Santorum came across solid and even George Pataki was quite good.
Goober was a douche.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:27 AM (St6BJ)
Farsi Farce. Which means that more GOP-e's will vote for it to give him
cover with the 2-days-a-year faux Jooz.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:06 AM
Schooooo-muh is a world-class putz, but I have to admit I'm hoping this decision is based on some small, flickering ember of common sense and not his normal pathetic, hyper-partisan political calculations.
If I lived in Noo Yawk, he wouldn't get a vote from me under any circumstances. He is a pathetic old ward-heeler, and my first instinct has always been to distrust any words that come out of his mouth.
But if this decision means there's a shred of decency in him, I'm not quite as ashamed to have him on the J-Team.
Not quite.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 06:27 AM (0atQl)
And my analysis is ONLY about how they came across in the debate. NOT an endorsement. But Fiorina is growing on me every day.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:28 AM (St6BJ)
I'm downing an extra pressure pill and calling him and his sock puppet Gillibrand today.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:29 AM (St6BJ)
Frankly it was totally unexpected.
I am also amazed at how the rest of the candidates aside from the Trump foil, Fiorina. All looked exactly like we thought they would look like.
Exactly like the rest of the R party enablers that have held office over the last 8 years.
Posted by: Drider at August 07, 2015 06:32 AM (6Xbsz)
As much as I am digging Trump's presence to fuck the MFM and the GOP-e, he does have to answer these questions.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:21 AM (St6BJ)
I heard most of both debates.
Trump answered most of this.
He still believes single payer can work, and he pointed to Canada (what a joke) and another country where he believes it is working, which is wrong. It is NOT working in Canada. That is why private facilities are popping up everywhere, Quebec declared the system "inhumane" in the courts, people still travel south (or somewhere else) to get care (if the afford it), most people do no have their own physicians, shortage of doctors, old drugs are being used, and the emergency rooms are packed where you wait 8+ hours to be seen. He is clueless about this. The BEST systems are always a combination of private and public (even France).
As far as abortions, he said he had a moment that made him evolve. He was ready with a story of a woman he knew who was going to abort, but, she didn't, and the boy born was a gift, in so many words. Hard to know if you can believe him, but that can happen, when you are confronted with something first hand.
Amnesty, not sure. He always acknowledges that he plays within the laws at hand, but they need to be fixed. But he does say illegal is illegal.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:33 AM (qCMvj)
Do you think they would have treated Shrillery Klintoon the same way? My gut says "no."
The country needs Trump more than it needs Megyn Kelly. Even if she has a nicer rack.
Hold all the friggin' candidates' feet to the fire, or not at all.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 06:33 AM (0atQl)
Posted by: fluffy at August 07, 2015 06:33 AM (2iV3X)
And my analysis is ONLY about how they came across in the debate. NOT an endorsement. But Fiorina is growing on me every day.
I don't trust her. In her I see many Mitts.
She's famously quipped she should win the primary to run against Boxer because she wasn't a white guy.
I think she's saying lots of right-sounding things right now, but if she ever locked up the nomination she'd run left.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 07, 2015 06:35 AM (dhHd4)
Fiorina did as she has been doing. Nothing changed other than she had more time and a platform to continue her campaign. Never wobbles, always succinct, and attacks the Democrats.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:35 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: knob at August 07, 2015 06:36 AM (mQUCm)
I know Levin lights into people, but he called McYertle quote "a piece of crap," "a liar," "a damn fool" and "a disgrace." At the top of his lungs.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:36 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:29 AM
Jeebus, JJ, that's what I call "taking one for the team!"
I'd have to call Lieawatha Warren and Ed Maaaaahkey. Not sure I can get up the strength for that.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 06:36 AM (0atQl)
Posted by: gunslingeraz at August 07, 2015 06:36 AM (Ij1fE)
I never get what I want, but I want Cruz/Fiorina. It's just as perfect a match I can find. Fiorina would not be giving up a crucial seat in Congress, and Cruz goes for the jugular.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:37 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 07, 2015 06:38 AM (iQIUe)
McYertle quote "a piece of crap," "a liar," "a damn fool" and "a
disgrace." At the top of his lungs.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:36 AM
If he had been one of the debate "moderators," I would watched.
No one would have escaped without blood being spilled.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 06:38 AM (0atQl)
Ben Carson did well, too.
Christie tanked in my humble opinion. I think he's dead in the water at this point. He probably thinks not.
The "hugging" obama was cringe-worthy, and so true.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:39 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 06:36 AM (0atQl)
I called Nads Nadler a few months back about the TPP and was shocked to get a response e-mail from him (he was putatively against it).
Ugh. Immediately unsubscribed from that fat fuck.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:39 AM (St6BJ)
Rubio did well.
He's the golden boy.
I think he will get the nod.
I don't see why all the money and forces of the GOPe is on Jeb! I just shake my head in wonderment.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:40 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:23 AM (St6BJ)
Had an FB chat about that last night. Evidently, he did.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 07, 2015 06:42 AM (yMVjf)
Way too early to make a prediction. But what your gut tells you is something else. Donde esta Dondi might somehow get the backing of the Quislings as Jeb tanks.
We'll see.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:43 AM (St6BJ)
There was a lefty who went absolutely nuts a couple of days ago. He's in custody now but all these videos of him harassing cops are popping up. Even his lefty friends are turning against him.
https://twitter.com/Spalton33
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 07, 2015 06:44 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:44 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2015 06:44 AM (j7iSn)
Once upon a de-bate clearly,
I rambled, shambled, drunk and bleary . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:44 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2015 06:44 AM (j7iSn)
THAT is the question.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:45 AM (St6BJ)
He's the golden boy.
I think he will get the nod.
I don't see why all the money and forces of the GOPe is on Jeb! I just shake my head in wonderment.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:40 AM
Just what the "Republican" party needs: moar amnesty, moar Identity Politics, moar squishiness.
If you're right, I'm definitely voting for Vermin Supreme. We'll continue to go down the tubes, but will get a major emphasis on dental health and Free Ponies.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 06:46 AM (0atQl)
GOP Debate: Rick Perry's Campaign Denies He Said 'Ronald Raven'
http://abcn.ws/1Du1mdy
he did in my opinion, clip in link
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:46 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:48 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2015 06:44 AM (j7iSn)
THAT is the question.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:45 AM (St6BJ)
I don't think Trump did that well. He never dug deep (but isn't that what the Democrats do all the time and win?)
He gets angry very quickly.
It's easy to rile him up and get him defensive. Just push the right button.
He didn't say much at all.
And I'm pissed they didn't give Cruz more time.
Dumb format.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:49 AM (qCMvj)
Explain to me again what a savvy deal-maker and negotiator this man is?
If we hammer him on this point hard enough, will he implicate both himself and Hillary in a quid-pro-quo bribery?
Posted by: Spellcheck at August 07, 2015 06:50 AM (1mPbg)
I rambled, shambled, drunk and bleary . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:44 AM (St6BJ)
Back meds. Must be.
*eyerolls*
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 07, 2015 06:51 AM (yMVjf)
Explain to me again what a savvy deal-maker and negotiator this man is?
If we hammer him on this point hard enough, will he implicate both himself and Hillary in a quid-pro-quo bribery?
Posted by: Spellcheck at August 07, 2015 06:50 AM (1mPbg)
This is par for course in business and politics. Who hasn't done this?
I doubt he would do this, but if he really did do some kind of tit for tat, he could use that against her in a final blow. But only if she does something in kind. He keeps a balance for his business ventures to succeed. He won't mess that up, that fence sitting.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:53 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: biancaneve at August 07, 2015 06:53 AM (kBiy2)
Posted by: spd rdr at August 07, 2015 06:53 AM (aMjZ0)
Given the number of candidates and the short time span of the actual debate, what would a preferable format be? IMHO, last night was a meaningless foray. I think anyone who was serious about vetting these clowns would get them together in small groups and let them duke it out, the winner advancing to the next round. But it didn't appear that FOX is serious about anything but propping up Jeb.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 07, 2015 06:54 AM (iR/Sj)
I don't like it either, but Trump is well-schooled in the necessity of letting the Godfathers wet their beaks if you want to be a success in NYC or D.C. No one has been able to do business with the Klintoon Crime Family without payoffs.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 06:55 AM (0atQl)
Actual footage of what they both actually said was not, in fact inconsistent. Both were talking about different aspects of LEGAL immigration. What is with these media idiots? I expect better from Laura Ingram, but maybe she's too invested in the political class.
Posted by: Optimizer at August 07, 2015 06:56 AM (/q6+P)
Posted by: biancaneve at August 07, 2015 06:53 AM (kBiy2)
That's like saying if Al Capone is knocked off, Eliot Ness will take his place as head of the Mafia.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:56 AM (St6BJ)
APOLOGIES for the snark. I misread "should" as "will."
Channeling my inner Perry.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:57 AM (St6BJ)
Yes, if Biden said that, everyone would laugh, and say thats so cute and wonderful of Biden, we love his gaffes.
Posted by: Colin at August 07, 2015 06:58 AM (DKaUe)
Trump over 50%
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:58 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 07, 2015 06:59 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Optimizer at August 07, 2015 06:56 AM (/q6+P)
Any entity that spend that much time in the relative proximity of Ted Baxter, is negatively affected.
It's science and shit......
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 07, 2015 06:59 AM (yMVjf)
Now, if Trump actually said something like "the reason I gave to Hilary and the other Democrats is that in order to do business in that city and every other Democrat controlled city, you have to bribe them or else they will use the IRS, DoJ and FBI to shut you down. Just like Lois Lerner did under Obama's instructions to the Tea Party and other conservatives."
Wishful thinking.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 06:59 AM (St6BJ)
As an aside, it's Friday!
I had scheduled today to stain my deck, but yesterday's weather was perfect, so I spent the back-breaking 5 straight hours staining.
So I can chill today and enjoy my work.
It's so fulfilling to do your stuff when you can.
Should be a great day.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:00 AM (qCMvj)
Explain to me again what a savvy deal-maker and negotiator this man is?"
Sorry, but you're a complete idiot.
Obviously he can't say exactly what he got, which was certainly more than attending a wedding. It's corrupt, and possibly even illegal, and he's not going to screw his "employees" by outing them.
Sounds like what they get is 1) when they call, the politician picks up the phone and 2) If they need a few paragraphs slipped into some legislation to help things go more smoothly with their business and keep competitors out, or to have somebody call an agency and say "Hey, how about giving this guy a break?", they get it.
Posted by: Optimizer at August 07, 2015 07:01 AM (/q6+P)
"The country needs Trump more than it needs Megyn Kelly."
Yeah, because the last six years with a thin-skinned whiner in the Oval Office have worked out oh so well.
Posted by: tops116 at August 07, 2015 07:01 AM (Wn+fE)
The Homies in Chicago didn't stop and watch the debates: 3 dead 9 shot.
2 shot in Baltimore.
Posted by: Colin at August 07, 2015 07:03 AM (DKaUe)
NO NOT MINE!!! Its bad enough I can't comment from home
I though the Fox mods were antagonistic and a bit preenish myself but I stopped watching them some time back so I figure they play for team GOPe now.
Posted by: Gmac - 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at August 07, 2015 07:05 AM (4pjhs)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 07, 2015 06:54 AM (iR/Sj)
yep
and having it more open for rebuttals from all
It would be great if they did ONE topic, or maybe TWO per debate and let them all duke it out.
It was ridiculous that certain people did not get some of the serious questions.
So many personal questions, targeted to individuals. Ace said he wouldn't call these "attacks" because people want to know the answer to these things, which is true, but it depended on the number and depth of the attacks. They came at Trump right out of the gate, and he's tough enough to take it, but I didn't see the attacks on the others so much. Jeb! looked pissed when they brought up Common Core, for example, as if they weren't supposed to.
It seemed odd, and circus-like.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:05 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 06:38 AM (0atQl)
If Levin had been on of the mods, it may be that no one would have escaped ALIVE. NTTAWWT.
Posted by: Agent J at August 07, 2015 07:07 AM (ueOgE)
The fact that he didn't fizzle out during this debate tells you that this has already gotten serious.
I'm not sure about the "playing everybody". He's not saying or doing anything he hasn't been doing for decades. He actually has a long track record of being vetted, in the public eye, and that's a big asset.
Posted by: Optimizer at August 07, 2015 07:07 AM (/q6+P)
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 07, 2015 07:07 AM (CzhL0)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 07, 2015 07:08 AM (HSmrB)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:08 AM (qCMvj)
Should be a great day.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:00 AM (qCMvj)
That it is. I would say that the successful completion of a long, exhausting project; culminating in the exhilaration of a perfectly functioning, aesthetically pleasing addition to ones home is better than.......
.....shit, I need a cigarette.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 07, 2015 07:09 AM (yMVjf)
Posted by: biancaneve at August 07, 2015 07:09 AM (kBiy2)
Also, Christie and Jeb finishing last in the Drudge poll (I know the poll is utter rubbish), but that is actually more truthful than anything.
Cruz coming in 2nd (which in my mind reads 1st!) is heart warming. Rubio and Carson about on par.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:10 AM (qCMvj)
The format was slightly okay given the number of candidates but the atmosphere sucked. I don't need a Super Bowl pregame approach for a presidential debate. And Chris Wallace needs to be bitch slapped on a regular basis until he stops smirking. And I don't appreciate questions designed to create a free for all between candidates and not focusing on running against the Dems.
Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2015 07:11 AM (FvdPb)
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 07, 2015 07:07 AM (CzhL0)
Walker did not shine.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:11 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:12 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2015 07:14 AM (FvdPb)
A Foxy, Rowdy Republican Debate
I think this is true for conservatives, republicans, libertarians in general. We question ourselves, the Democrats just duck and cover, stay quiet, protect each other.
At least Fox sort of showed the other networks how it's done to some extent, but they don't care. They will continue to coddle.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:16 AM (qCMvj)
She acts like a kid at times. It's weird.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:12 AM (qCMvj)
. . . as Rupert Murdoch quickly zips up his schlitz.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 07:16 AM (St6BJ)
There's too much 'calling to account' nowadays, particularly when tumblr feminists get involved.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 07, 2015 07:17 AM (dhHd4)
This wasn't a debate, at least not like most of those I've seen.
This was an inquisition.
On Thursday night in Cleveland, the Fox News moderators did what only Fox News moderators could have done, because the representatives of any other network would have been accused of pro-Democratic partisanship.
They took each of the 10 Republicans onstage to task. They held each of them to account. They made each address the most prominent blemishes on his record, the most profound apprehensions that voters feel about him, the greatest vulnerability that he has.
It was riveting. It was admirable. It compels me to write a cluster of words I never imagined writing: hooray for Fox News.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:18 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 07, 2015 07:18 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 07, 2015 07:19 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 07:20 AM (2Ocf1)
She also said that the Republicans were afraid of their candidates and that is why they are having fewer debates. Kelly let that go. Because the Dems aren't having any debates. Kelly let DWS say any old shit she wanted and did not challenge her once.
What happened to the tough questions?
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 07:23 AM (2Ocf1)
The moderators for that happy hour didn't needle the candidates. The moderators for the main event did. And because their questions were so well researched and so barbed, the television audience sometimes learned more about the candidates from what they were asked than from how they answered.
This is true.
We, here, are well versed in the candidates and probably take all of the information we know for granted. Most people have no clue, and a lot of the candidate-specific questions were probably eye openers.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:24 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 07, 2015 07:24 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 07, 2015 07:24 AM (ZQfW9)
Did any of them, in your humble Moron opinions, display a killer instinct? Not debate-killer (see Ron White in H.S.), but knife-fight killer?
'Cuz, I mean, our current Preznit wishes he were a Maasai Moran trotting off into the veldt with his spear.
Posted by: Killer Instinct Guy at August 07, 2015 07:25 AM (+TK8j)
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 07:25 AM (O7MnT)
They achieved their goal, though. I think Trump flamed out. Live, on national TV.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 07:27 AM (2Ocf1)
All in all, I was more impressed with all of them than I had expected.. ahhh.. the wonders of low expectations.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 07, 2015 07:27 AM (UpGcq)
Posted by: Not-a-Dondi-Fan Guy at August 07, 2015 07:27 AM (+TK8j)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 07, 2015 07:27 AM (u5gzz)
Posted by: Jean at August 07, 2015 07:28 AM (ztOda)
...We shouldn't. Candidates should have to convince us. They should square their slogans with their records, and that's what Fox made them do. On this night, the network that pampers Republicans provoked them instead. It was great television, and even better politics.
Hillary would be destroyed. She's got nothing but baggage, and really horrible, corrupt baggage.
That is why they are holding up the debates. She would be destroyed early on.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:28 AM (qCMvj)
Cruz definitely has the killer instinct. Walker, too.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 07:28 AM (2Ocf1)
This could get interesting. Lexus/Nexus searches must be heating up about now.
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 07, 2015 07:28 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Jean at August 07, 2015 07:29 AM (ztOda)
FOX news particularly their new queen Megyn with a y Kelly was particularly disgraceful.
And Chris Wallace, OMG, what a clown.
It was amazing how awful Jeb was considering the slow pitche meatballs he was served up.
I believe he's toast after this performance and gauging the Drudge poll.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 07, 2015 07:29 AM (JbETL)
Fiorina. But I'm a Cruz guy.
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 07, 2015 07:30 AM (7ObY1)
They achieved their goal, though. I think Trump flamed out. Live, on national TV.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 07:27 AM (2Ocf1)
yes, that is why I said "attack"
The questions toward Trump from the beginning and from Megyn about his misogynist ways were very personal, and emotional. They were showing their disdain.
Not so much when asking the others questions. It did not feel like an attack.
I don't mind that all the questions were asked, it was the tone and emo behind them. Clearly they didn't like Trump.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:31 AM (qCMvj)
http://t.co/NETrVqQnT3
Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 07, 2015 07:31 AM (rHXGG)
It was riveting. It was admirable. It compels me to write a cluster of words I never imagined writing: hooray for Fox News.
Yeah.. I thought it was good to get all that crap out of the way in the first debate. Only Fox could really do it.. if CNN did it, they would be accused of partisanship.. and you know they would do it.. This kinda takes the wind out of the sails of whoever does the next debates.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 07, 2015 07:31 AM (UpGcq)
Ron White and the H.S. debate team.
Posted by: Not-a-Dondi-Fan Guy at August 07, 2015 07:32 AM (+TK8j)
So. Cruz Walker Rubio. Carson a surprising 4th. Huckabee 5th and I don't like the guy. Probably Jeb then Kasich, Fat Man and Paul destroyed their futures, and Trump with the spectacular flameout.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 07:32 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Vanity Fair at August 07, 2015 07:32 AM (1BQGO)
To those who think Trump has shot his wad or himself in the foot last night, unless he actually says something that is truly wrong or offensive (so far, that has not been the case) that he cannot double down on, he ain't going anywhere. But up.
NB - this is not an endorsement of him as my choice, but merely my observation of his effect on the race.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 07:33 AM (St6BJ)
ICYMI, the Feds have nationalized the Eugene, OR police force for daring to limit job applicants to American citizens.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 07:33 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 07, 2015 07:31 AM (UpGcq)
really good point
maybe that was the plan
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:34 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 07:36 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 07, 2015 07:27 AM (u5gzz)
Understandable, but as already mentioned, what else are you going to do with 10 candidates (pared down) and a limited amount of time?
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 07, 2015 07:36 AM (yMVjf)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:37 AM (qCMvj)
I don't think Fox should coddle the GOP but Kelly was worse than Candy Crowley.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 07:37 AM (2Ocf1)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nlbk2so
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 07:37 AM (jZGKQ)
The next President may have to look out the window of AF1 at an oddly-tinged horizon, say a prayer, and enter his or her code into the nuclear football.
Posted by: Not-a-Dondi-Fan Guy at August 07, 2015 07:37 AM (+TK8j)
.............
We'll see after last night.. but I'm not so sure.. I have thought all along that Trump's support is more of a reaction to the GOP than support for Trump.
If those Trump supporters watched last night, I think they could easily have found another candidate with just as much passion about illegal immigration, etc. as Trump.
But.. we'll see in the polls over the next week or so.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 07, 2015 07:38 AM (UpGcq)
Job comes with a sweet aircraft. And a pastry chef (they'll have to fire the one who won't use butter, sugar, and eggs and get a real one...).
Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 07, 2015 07:39 AM (rHXGG)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 07, 2015 07:40 AM (VcOqI)
Calling bankruptcy following the law then following up with bragging about making a lot of money from it?
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 07:40 AM (2Ocf1)
Yes and yes. We need more of this.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2015 07:41 AM (DiZBp)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 07, 2015 07:42 AM (2XMpf)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 07, 2015 07:42 AM (2XMpf)
That would mean the important question is, who does Bernie Sanders pick for VP?
Posted by: Larry D. Konqlynov at August 07, 2015 07:42 AM (Bsj1o)
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 07, 2015 07:43 AM (CzhL0)
Again, I am NOT a fan of Trump as an actual president and do not support him in that case. I support his being in the mix to throw bombs at the RINO's and the MFM.
Beyond that, I have always been a Cruz and Walker guy, bit Fiorina impresses me more and more every day.
Remember, this debate will be forgotten in a week or so and we have 15 months to go.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 07:45 AM (St6BJ)
Now that's how you manipulate your LIV's.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 07, 2015 07:46 AM (xq1UY)
Bruce Jenner, natch
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 07, 2015 07:46 AM (ZQfW9)
I missed most of it (at the dealership until 9:30 taking delivery on a car), but after seeing a lot of clips, Carly seems to have gotten the most out of the night.
The winners from last night are the people the media are going to want to talk to. Although I like Walker, he was just part of the wallpaper. There will be other opportunities for him to stand out, but this morning, he is forgettable. Same with Carson.
Trump seems to have done well.
It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
Posted by: jwest at August 07, 2015 07:47 AM (P/xrJ)
Bruce Jenner, natch
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 07, 2015 07:46 AM (ZQfW9)
Angela Davis.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 07:48 AM (St6BJ)
18 I think she's saying lots of right-sounding things right now, but if she ever locked up the nomination she'd run left.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 07, 2015 06:35 AM
Duh. Run Left in the General... See Bushes second term, McCain 2008, Mittens 2012. same strategy used and failed...its Rove and the GOPe. Have you any evidence that any candidate (with a snowballs chance of gaining the top of the ticket) would do differently.
Jeb! Is to be offered up...the rest battle for Vp.
Posted by: Socalcon at August 07, 2015 07:48 AM (DAB5r)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 07, 2015 07:48 AM (xq1UY)
The ugly Facebook memes with the strategically-edited quotes and the carefully-chosen stills to make them all look like escapees from a halfway house for feeble-minded criminals will be forever, at least.
Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 07, 2015 07:49 AM (rHXGG)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 07:49 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Draki at August 07, 2015 07:51 AM (sCOy8)
Posted by: Rich at August 07, 2015 07:52 AM (J2AJ8)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2015 07:52 AM (k35lw)
*searches for piece* [blank]
Anyway, some people think it might be a good idea for Republicans today. Sieve out the Bush-types and others who want taxpayers to pay (low wages, food stamps, EIC, Obamacare, etc.) to replace themselves as peons, and anyone who doesn't get it's better to vaporize a jihadi before he cuts your head off, and put 'em all to work undoing the last 4 Congresses, and all the EOs by Fly-bait Mouth.
Posted by: Jeff-Lord-Fan Guy at August 07, 2015 07:54 AM (+TK8j)
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 07:54 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: the real ch3 at August 07, 2015 07:54 AM (IG5KL)
SJW. She, with a straight face, asked Trump how he would respond to Bill
Clintons wife when she accuses him of a war on women. F*cking
ridiculous. Has anyone from Fox ever asked Hillary what she will say to
women who think it's a bad idea to have an accused rapist in the White
House?
Posted by: Rich at August 07, 2015 07:52 AM (J2AJ
Seems like a legitimate question for each candidate, because the dems call every repub/conservatives a hater of women. Got more evidence?
Posted by: Draki at August 07, 2015 07:55 AM (sCOy8)
Posted by: jwest at August 07, 2015 07:55 AM (P/xrJ)
http://tinyurl.com/ndrtb9y
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 07, 2015 07:55 AM (OSs/l)
Yea that's so un-American.
Posted by: GM at August 07, 2015 07:56 AM (BO/km)
Posted by: the real ch3 at August 07, 2015 07:56 AM (IG5KL)
Posted by: JROD Trophy Hunter at August 07, 2015 07:57 AM (wnwJC)
Sheila Jackson Lee
Crazy is as crazy does
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:57 AM (qCMvj)
Which person do you believe?
Which person was most honest?
Which person's words matched his/her records?
Which clearly contradicted known previous acts?
Because this is all the exact same song and dance you've seen dozens, perhaps hundreds, of times.
Several people had fine answers. I believed almost none of them. This is a game. Always remember that and know that people who might have different positions from you on some issues deserve more respect than the others you agree with (based on mere rhetoric) if you can at least trust what they are saying. Talk is cheap. Honest talk is priceless.
Ultimately, this isn't just about words.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 07:57 AM (1CroS)
Classy Donald Trump calls Rosie a fat, disgusting slob.
Advantag Perry.
Posted by: Spellcheck at August 07, 2015 07:57 AM (1mPbg)
Posted by: Old Glazier at August 07, 2015 07:58 AM (u63X/)
Posted by: Draki at August 07, 2015 07:51 AM (sCOy
English, motherfvcker! Do you speak it?
Posted by: BMF at August 07, 2015 07:59 AM (hWj08)
Trump over 50%
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:58 AM (qCMvj)
Meh, Internet polls are easily manipulated (just ask Ron Paul),
Posted by: Socalcon at August 07, 2015 07:59 AM (DAB5r)
Posted by: Larry D. Konqlynov at August 07, 2015 07:42 AM (Bsj1o)
Bernie hear of squaw who speaks with left wing tongue. She would travel many moons to win election.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2015 08:00 AM (DiZBp)
Crazy is as crazy does
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 07:57 AM (qCMvj)Oh God, the biggest embarrassment from Texas....
Posted by: Draki at August 07, 2015 08:02 AM (sCOy8)
Posted by: BMF at August 07, 2015 07:59 AM (hWj0
Naw, in Texas all I learnt was bad english and mexican cusswords
Posted by: Draki at August 07, 2015 08:03 AM (sCOy8)
Posted by: biancaneve at August 07, 2015 08:03 AM (kBiy2)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/omh9v28
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:04 AM (jZGKQ)
I figure Government is about 7x too large, at least. We owe it to ourselves to try Constitutional Government for once in our history. (At least, before The Crazy Twelvers burst a couple of EMP devices to fry our economy.)
Posted by: Back Woods, Not Back Room at August 07, 2015 08:07 AM (+TK8j)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 08:08 AM (oVJmc)
That there boy sure does talk pretty.
Does he use his tongue prettier than a $20 whore?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2015 08:09 AM (qHDZ+)
Posted by: steevy at August 07, 2015 08:10 AM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 07, 2015 08:10 AM (iQIUe)
Off to pre-clean the crib for the housekeeper.
BBS.
'Pre-clean'?? Forchristsake, JJ. Now I'm forced to considered ignoring all your rational posts.
The Wife does that, I tell her- Just throw money at them for showing up, already!
Posted by: Socalcon at August 07, 2015 08:11 AM (DAB5r)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:11 AM (jZGKQ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 07, 2015 08:11 AM (OSs/l)
Military troops take over food distribution centers to ensure the ruling class get their fair share before the mobs in the street strip the market bare.
That can't happen in the United States, we don't have enough troops for all the warehouses.
Posted by: Larry D. Konqlynov at August 07, 2015 08:11 AM (Bsj1o)
Faux Nooz did a decent enough job of showing HOW he was going to lose, and did the Gope's bidding by helping him do so, but gosh, nobody REALLY thought this was going any other way, did we?
Gope will have their nominee. And if Jeb! cannot muster enough vim and vigor to show that he wants it, they have the Cuban phony right there, waiting to take it.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2015 08:11 AM (Dj0WE)
You can be sure Team McConnell has whipped up the supplemental vote needed to pass.
Kabuki.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 08:12 AM (1CroS)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 07, 2015 08:13 AM (Cy04V)
I picture him pulling up to a crowd of illegals in front of a Home Depot in Laurel or Silver Spring and saying... "Hey, Ese, Quieres Trajabo?"
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:13 AM (O7MnT)
You are new here aren't you? Various federal agency police forces will suffice. And then local police will guard just to protect their own areas.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:14 AM (jZGKQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:15 AM (jZGKQ)
Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 07, 2015 08:15 AM (rHXGG)
...aaaand we were grateful fer it.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 08:16 AM (1CroS)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:16 AM (jZGKQ)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 07, 2015 08:17 AM (UPYPp)
Yes, the Republicans want fighters. Against the forces of bad. Cruz went after Dems and establishment Republicans which was acceptable. Walker kept bringing the heat on Hillary. Carson went with the slow knife between the ribs on the Dems. Even Huckabee threw a punch or two that way.
Jeb and Kasich wouldn't, so they were bottom half with the fighters amongst themselves.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:17 AM (2Ocf1)
You'd Have Thought Me a Conspiracy Theorist
a good run down of the SCOAMT's bad deeds
http://bit.ly/1OUWDlq
redstate warning
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:17 AM (qCMvj)
https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/international-beer-day/
Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 07, 2015 08:15 AM (rHXGG)
Why would you need international beer? Isn't there enough of it here?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2015 08:17 AM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 08:18 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 08:18 AM (kff5f)
I agree with you. It was designed to stump Trump, but I feel it made everybody on that platform seem squishy. I likened it to McConnel taking impeachment " off the table". Either there is a problem that needs fixing, or you are willing to say that you are better, but they are good enough. I liked Trumps answer.
Posted by: Chilling the most at August 07, 2015 08:18 AM (zW5rQ)
This will work until the elites forget to give the military their cut -- then its coup time.
Posted by: Jean at August 07, 2015 08:18 AM (ztOda)
Trump over 50%
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 06:58 AM (qCMvj)
Meh, Internet polls are easily manipulated (just ask Ron Paul),
Posted by: Socalcon at August 07, 2015 07:59 AM (DAB5r)
of course
and when going to bed last night, Rand was doing really well, so I thought PaulBots are out in full force, it's a poll you can take over and over
but, it didn't turn out that way, the bots must have gone to bed early
it reflects just about how I felt the debates went (other than Trump, which is the wild card)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:19 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2015 08:17 AM (Dj0WE)
Not to hear my beer-snob friends tell it.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 08:19 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 07, 2015 08:19 AM (Cy04V)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:20 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Jean at August 07, 2015 08:20 AM (ztOda)
In the mornings, we had to clean the World before breakfast.
(Apologies to Monty Python.)
Posted by: Humble Origins Guy at August 07, 2015 08:21 AM (+TK8j)
The slow knife penetrates the shields.
Posted by: Fox2! at August 07, 2015 08:21 AM (5iFlS)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2015 08:17 AM (Dj0WE)
Not to hear my beer-snob friends tell it.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 08:19 AM (kff5f)
I stopped drinking beer years ago, but to listen to douchebags talk about it these days, if I hadn't already quit I would now, just to avoid being associated with those idiots.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2015 08:21 AM (Dj0WE)
I do like Rubio's last shot at the Democrat Party.
Marco Rubio's typically graceful line that there were a lot of good Republican candidates while the other party had none was at one level a nice partisan dig but on another was a pretty accurate view of the state of the race. Is there any evidence that Hillary Clinton could pivot as adroitly and (in some cases) movingly as all or almost all of these candidates did at least at some point in Cleveland?
washingtonexaminer
That was a nice shot. And so true.
There really is A LOT of candidates, and many are decent enough.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:21 AM (qCMvj)
When your "right" to choose equals legally killing people,
I WANT THAT SAME RIGHT.
Because there is a helluva lot a deadwood that needs clearing out.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2015 08:21 AM (sLVyZ)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 08:22 AM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 07, 2015 08:22 AM (CzhL0)
http://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/a01002/
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:22 AM (jZGKQ)
You are old here, yes? I have admired your vast fund of knowledge and connections for many years.
Politically we are in uncharted waters where dragons live. Historically, the pattern seems all too familiar.
My thoughts, expressed poorly, subject to perceptions of the reader (see broad spectrum of opinion on last night's 'debate') are merely frustration and venting of overpressure. Machs nix. Words only, means nothing. Do not worry, have no fear. What happens, happens.
with respect.
Posted by: Larry D. Konqlynov at August 07, 2015 08:22 AM (Bsj1o)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2015 08:23 AM (Dj0WE)
Well, I only know two, and one has had real German beer enough that he basically can't drink the domestic stuff anymore (I haven't talked to him about it since microbreweries became An Thing).
The other is, indeed, just a douche.
Not that I would know from beer anyway.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 08:23 AM (kff5f)
That alone is worthy of getting a vote.
Say what you want the man is telling it like it is. I don't like him but love his message.
Also last night I lost what little respect I had for the Fox crew. What a bunch of assholes. Meg is a f'n bitch, Wallace a prick, and Hume a neckless bunghole. To hell with the lot of them.
Posted by: freaked at August 07, 2015 08:23 AM (BO/km)
Get over yourselves already! (I'm lookin' at you, Megyn)
Posted by: Russkilitlover at August 07, 2015 08:24 AM (nUUGh)
Posted by: Radeaminit at August 07, 2015 08:24 AM (uSM1W)
Posted by: gunslingeraz at August 07, 2015 08:25 AM (Ij1fE)
Meygyn Kelly would slot in beautifully next to George Stuffitupmyass over at ABC News. She was a big loser last night, as was Chris Wallace, who also fell on his keister playing the GOpe attack dog last night.
Posted by: bystander at August 07, 2015 08:25 AM (hKyl0)
Fiorina on MSNBC with Matthews. video
Fiorina Runs Circles Around Chris Matthews Over Hillary's Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=MEJH7p4H0pA
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:26 AM (qCMvj)
Why can't we give Vic " The Keys to the Kingdom"?
He is our obvious gateway into Morning Updates.
Why does he have to wait for a goofy sentence to Start The Day?
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) at August 07, 2015 08:26 AM (OQ9R7)
He just gives up at the end.
Heh.
Link to Right Scoop:
http://tinyurl.com/gocarlygo
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 07, 2015 08:26 AM (nXeSu)
This cannot be said too often or too loud.
Posted by: Radeaminit at August 07, 2015 08:24 AM (uSM1W)
She really is amazing. Getting several million people to support him without realizing what's going on.
Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 08:26 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at August 07, 2015 08:26 AM (tEDMc)
And I wouldn't get in a car with her if she's been drinking.
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 07, 2015 08:27 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: steevy at August 07, 2015 08:27 AM (sPO3u)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 07, 2015 08:27 AM (Cy04V)
How, by saying stuff the majority of Republicans want to hear?
Count me with Trump and Cesar Chavez.: no more wetbacks!
Posted by: Chess Is A Boardgame Guy at August 07, 2015 08:28 AM (+TK8j)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 07, 2015 08:28 AM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Larry D. Konqlynov at August 07, 2015 08:28 AM (Bsj1o)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 07, 2015 08:28 AM (7ObY1)
"John Kasich's Primetime Debate Debut Focuses on Medicaid, Immigration, and a Heartfelt Take on Gay Marriage"
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 07, 2015 08:29 AM (vg8iE)
I didn't think she was that spectacular. I think it's just *something* when a Republican responds to a media attack with something other than a Droopy-the-Dog like, "Yes, sir, I concede your point" that people get excited about it.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:29 AM (O7MnT)
she has sold us out to the Russians?
Posted by: Larry D. Konqlynov at August 07, 2015 08:28 AM (Bsj1o)
The other half of a Huma Weiner waitress falafel . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 08:29 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 07, 2015 08:30 AM (vg8iE)
Yeah, what's with that? Those ads just annoy me. Weird old dude.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2015 08:31 AM (k35lw)
Get over yourselves already! (I'm lookin' at you, Megyn)
Posted by: Russkilitlover at August 07, 2015 08:24 AM (nUUGh)
I think this was more a combination of ratings/theater, and taking Trump down a peg because she (Fox) do not want him as the nominee.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:32 AM (qCMvj)
"John Kasich's Primetime Debate Debut Focuses on Medicaid, Immigration, and a Heartfelt Take on Gay Marriage"
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 07, 2015 08:29 AM (vg8iE)
Not even worth the pixels to rip Crain's apart.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 08:32 AM (St6BJ)
If he's a false flag that's ok cause we are losers which ever way the election goes.
Posted by: freaked at August 07, 2015 08:32 AM (BO/km)
204. She really is amazing. Getting several million people to support him without realizing what's going on.
Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 08:26 AM
***
You seem to doubt the existence of the Low Information Voter. See, 2008, Presidential Election.
Posted by: Radeaminit at August 07, 2015 08:33 AM (uSM1W)
I didn't think she was that spectacular. I think it's just *something* when a Republican responds to a media attack with something other than a Droopy-the-Dog like, "Yes, sir, I concede your point" that people get excited about it.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:29 AM (O7MnT)
Did you watch that clip I linked?
She made Matthews speechless at the end.
She proved Hillary was lying about Benghazi in so many words.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:33 AM (qCMvj)
It does not change my mind about forcing churches to perform them. Is Kasich in favor of that?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 07, 2015 08:33 AM (OSs/l)
He couldn't convince anyone Hillary hasn't been lying if his life depended on it, but let's talk about how rude it is to mention it.
"We would have gotten away with nominating a horrible liar if it weren't for those meddling Rethuglicans!"
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 07, 2015 08:33 AM (nXeSu)
Posted by: Chilling the most at August 07, 2015 08:33 AM (zW5rQ)
And I wouldn't get in a car with her if she's been drinking.
Or a private plane. Over water.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2015 08:33 AM (sLVyZ)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:34 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:17 AM
A buddy pointed out that about Jeb. Reminds one of the Rope-a-dope strategy Romney used during the 2012 primary debates. Letting the 'seven dwarfs' take on and eliminate each other.
Oh dear, my tin-foil hat needs shining!
Posted by: Socalcon at August 07, 2015 08:34 AM (DAB5r)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 07, 2015 08:28 AM (OSs/l)
She doesn't miss a beat.
She hordes data like a computer.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:34 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 07, 2015 08:34 AM (vg8iE)
Seeing a lot of new names here today.
And at least one is a moby or an idiot (hard to tell which at this point).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 08:34 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2015 08:35 AM (k35lw)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:34 AM (2Ocf1)
There is no way you can defend Hillary with facts.
Impossible.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:35 AM (qCMvj)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 08:19 AM (kff5f)
American beer is the best in the world.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2015 08:36 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Radeaminit at August 07, 2015 08:33 AM (uSM1W)
What does one have to do with the other? You make the tinfoil hat statement about a conspiracy. Proof?
(can't type with cat on arm)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 08:36 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: the real ch3 at August 07, 2015 08:36 AM (IG5KL)
I am reading about Magical Girl anime series from the 1960s on.
http://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/a03904/
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:36 AM (jZGKQ)
Watched it. Blogged it. Commented on it.
For a Republican, it was a very good response. I just don't think it was the homerun everyone else seems to think it was.
Admittedly, my lack of being impressed my just be rooted in my own sense of futility in dealing with this party and this election.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:36 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:37 AM (2Ocf1)
Impossible.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
At some point, that SHOULD become apparent to the Dem powers-that-be.
THAT'S when Hill! goes down.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2015 08:37 AM (sLVyZ)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 08:38 AM (oVJmc)
I also learned that Kasich's dad was a mailman and that God told him to bankrupt his state and possibly the country.
Huckabee's platform only requires 2 separate Constitutional amendments. (One of which contains the word, "anus").
Posted by: Phyllis Balzac at August 07, 2015 08:38 AM (lU0bX)
Posted by: Chilling the most at August 07, 2015 08:39 AM (zW5rQ)
At this point, we're amazed and thrilled when one of them bunts and only falls down once on the way to the correct base.
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 07, 2015 08:39 AM (nXeSu)
One thing I like about both Fiorina and Trump is their ability to handle the Propaganda Press. Trump especially has a lot to teach Republicans on media and its uses, but I saw Fiorina is learning fast (in that clip with Matthews especially, when she talked about the need for "plain speech").
This campaign season has potential.
Posted by: MTF at August 07, 2015 08:39 AM (TxJGV)
Oh dear, we are so not in Kansas Toto....
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:40 AM (jZGKQ)
Yeah, where the ckuf was he for years of, "Bush lied, people died!" from countless Democrats... something that did not happen.
Oh, but Fiorina is being uncivil.
Matthews: Once a drooling dishonest prick, always a drooling dishonest prick.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 08:40 AM (1CroS)
Posted by: Donald Trump at August 07, 2015 08:41 AM (D0NZx)
He literally said he went to a wedding of a friend who happened to be gay. That leaves me with the impression that he got to the wedding, and had no idea it was going to be a gay wedding.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 07, 2015 08:41 AM (vg8iE)
I like her fire.
Posted by: Chess Is A Boardgame Guy at August 07, 2015 08:41 AM (+TK8j)
Impossible.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2015 08:35 AM
I don't think anyone does. The "strategy" of the Klintoonistas is to ignore every bad thing said about her and concentrate on "Woman!" "Powerful!" "Grandmother!" and her alleged achievements which, when totaled up, would get anyone outside the Klintoon Crime Family a good long stretch at the Graybar Hotel.
She seems to have the same inherent immunity that gave us Choom Boy. And, despite the phonus-bolonus accent she put on when she thinks it serves her purposes, she's not even black....
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 08:41 AM (0atQl)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2015 08:41 AM (Zu3d9)
What I wonder is who's going to get kicked down to the kids' table in favor of Fiorina. I hope it's Kasich.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 07, 2015 08:41 AM (JxMoP)
I mean, seriously folks. Drink your damn beer. Get drunk, screw and
go home (not necessarily in that order). Stop pretending you're the
connoisseur of something. It's beer.
.
.
.I concur. When they started putting fruit in beer I knew it was all total Bull$hit look at me I am sophisticated etc.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 07, 2015 08:41 AM (iONHu)
----Lady Jessica Atreides
Posted by: Larry D. Konqlynov at August 07, 2015 08:41 AM (Bsj1o)
Exactly.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:42 AM (O7MnT)
Well, I sure didn't see that coming.
I'm assuming Jeb! won, or at least didn't damage himself.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 08:43 AM (1CroS)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2015 08:44 AM (k35lw)
Posted by: MTF at August 07, 2015 08:44 AM (TxJGV)
Kasich - Not bad. Probably won't make it.
Rand Paul - Came across as a nut
Trump - Entertaining, but that is about it
Posted by: WOPR at August 07, 2015 08:44 AM (HmYx2)
So much for the Northeastern GOP breathing a sigh of relief that the Roberts Court had taken Ghey Marriage off the table as a political issue.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:45 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:45 AM (jZGKQ)
He really needed to add something about the (leftist?) underlying premise of the question that the love and respect conservatives hold for those they disagree with does not evaporate because we are on the opposite side of important issues. Unlike the vilification and hatred the Left use as their main weapon.
Posted by: Socalcon at August 07, 2015 08:45 AM (DAB5r)
Posted by: rd at August 07, 2015 08:45 AM (k3MbG)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2015 08:46 AM (sLVyZ)
Elsewhere, Megyn Kelly is being savaged for her flippancy, gotcha questions, and insistence on making the debate all about herself. She joins Marie Harf and Jen Psaki in the Valley Girl song and dance routine.
Also, why interview DWS after a republican debate when we already know she will disassemble and lie about the outcome to favor Sir Edmund Rodham?
Posted by: Doctor Fish at August 07, 2015 08:46 AM (OiFtZ)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:46 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: bystander at August 07, 2015 08:46 AM (hKyl0)
So, successful businessmen like Romney are eeeeevil because they profit off the backs of others labor and buy stuff like car elevators. Unsucessful businesswomen like Fiorina are eeevil because...
Posted by: Lizzy at August 07, 2015 08:47 AM (NOIQH)
He mouths phony platitudes somewhat more convincingly than Jeb does, and he's part of their favorite minority-group-we-don't-want-our-daughters-to-marry-into-but-damn-they-do-a-nice-job-on-the-lawn.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:47 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:42 AM
Absent a miracle as yet unforeseen, it's gonna be a Short Bus election.
"...on the way to the correct base?" These doofii can't even make it out of the dugout without help.
If there's any upside, it's that the Faux News "team" have finally outed themselves as being just as hackish as the rest of the Top. Men. (and, of course, wimminz) of the teevee yackers.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 07, 2015 08:47 AM (0atQl)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 07, 2015 08:47 AM (OSs/l)
No, he didn't win. Denied parts of his own record. Make some dumb faces.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2015 08:47 AM (k35lw)
Kelly was look at me I'm hard when questioning the Republican candidates and was like, hey, DWS, got a bunch of talking points you want to rattle off unopposed?
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:48 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2015 08:48 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:48 AM (jZGKQ)
"
You keep changing your Name but the message is always the same.
Why bother?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at August 07, 2015 08:49 AM (df+1i)
Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2015 08:49 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Levin at August 07, 2015 08:49 AM (6pgRO)
Posted by: MTF at August 07, 2015 08:49 AM (TxJGV)
Yeah, I watched the whole sordid affair. I was paraphrasing what I expected Rove to say.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 08:50 AM (1CroS)
I agree. Kelly is working to move to the MSM and this was her chance to show her new friends at the NY Slime how mean she can be to the mean Republicans.
She did look hot, even with two inches of eye shadow.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 07, 2015 08:50 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:51 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: ooga booga at August 07, 2015 08:51 AM (m27jP)
And did not get a Gang of 8 question from Meygynz and Smirky Wallace.
Posted by: bystander at August 07, 2015 08:51 AM (hKyl0)
Good overall analysis at Weasel Zippers. Great line by Huckabee about the Iran sell-out and SCOAMF:
"Trust, but vilify."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 08:51 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:51 AM (2Ocf1)
You've confirmed, for the most part, my choices as they stand: Cruz, Fiorina. Would like Perry to do well. I still think he'd be a good president.
Would vote for Trump probably. That's it.
For any of the rest of them, I'd write in one of the names above.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 07, 2015 08:51 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 08:51 AM (oVJmc)
NY Daily news has a story about a lesbian couple who burned their house down for the insurance money and blamed it on their "queer hating" neighbor. A Jury just found them guilty of a hate crime hoax and insurance fraud. Way to go Jury in Tennessee.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 07, 2015 08:52 AM (iONHu)
Posted by: WOPR at August 07, 2015 08:52 AM (HmYx2)
Well, at least nobody asked Karl Rove what he thought. Thats a plus.
Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2015 08:48 AM (xWW96)
He talked for a hour about the first debate and what to expect in the second before the second debate.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 07, 2015 08:52 AM (0FSuD)
No Vic, though. sad-face icon
Before the emt gets dumped on, and since I have to go throw food at the feral beasts lest they eat me, thought I'd just pop in and say,
Morning, Glories!
I didn't watch the debates. Who won, Kennedy or Nixon?
Posted by: mindful webworker - call me fe breeze at August 07, 2015 08:52 AM (5t9V6)
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Hillary was in charge of the Bimbo Eruption Squad. In other words she led the charge to destroy the women unlucky enough to sleep with Billy Clinton and let it be known.
War on Women? Hillary led the attacks on women! Hillary destroyed their names and reputations to protect her philandering husband, and her perqs, but mostly her personal perqs.
Posted by: rd at August 07, 2015 08:53 AM (k3MbG)
Did he do his "God wants you to pay taxes and support welfare programs" schtick?
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:53 AM (O7MnT)
It's petty bad when the avowed socialist is the only one running for president who can make a coherent argument on immigration.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 07, 2015 08:53 AM (nFdGS)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 08:54 AM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Agent J at August 07, 2015 08:54 AM (dT8T0)
Well, FOX took a beating. Deserved it, too.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 08:54 AM (1CroS)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2015 08:54 AM (jZGKQ)
Yes, yes he did.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2015 08:44 AM (k35lw)
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*wipes off chin*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 07, 2015 08:54 AM (HSmrB)
Because in today's sound-bite world, that would get destroyed. It would be parsed thusly:
"We have nothing against illegals..." and "...we are very concerned about ... communities bearing the burden of [immigrants]."
Those are the two "sound bites" which would come out of such an answer.
That said, I don't know if I'd call it "personally," but I *do* have something "against illegals." They're criminals. At minimum to survive in the US (or, at least, to make survival in the US a better option than their home country) they must commit a series of felonies including identity theft and other forms of fraud. At. Minimum.
Add to that the disproportionate number who are thugs, rapists, and murderers, and I'm going on the "skeptical of illegals" side of this.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 08:56 AM (kff5f)
Rick Perry was true to form, and his comment on Ronald Raven will go down in history as the most comical retort in presidential debate history.
Congratulations Rick, you've won the Fickle Finger of Fate Award, and you rightly deserve the public acclaim.
It's also true that any of the AoS posters could make the same mistake in a debate atmosphere, and the only thing missing for Rick was the "whoops."
Posted by: Doctor Fish at August 07, 2015 08:57 AM (OiFtZ)
(can't type with cat on arm)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 08:36 AM
***
Circumstantial evidence -- a reasonable inference drawn from proven facts -- is just as valid as any other evidence. (Contrary to popular belief formed from crime shows.)
So look at the facts of the Trump - Hillary connection and try drawing some inferences. This will get you started:
Bill Clinton giving Trump campaign advice.
http://tinyurl.com/pf9yrtn
That's hardly "tinfoil hat". No politician in America better knows the value of a billionaire running a quixotic campaign than Bill Clinton.
Posted by: Radeaminit at August 07, 2015 08:57 AM (uSM1W)
But, The Gipper pulled it out bigtime. Even bigger the 2nd-time around.
I say, straight talk and common sense turns off the LIVs and energizes the base.
Plus, if all else fails, tell the truth.
Legacy Media audience is plummeting like a massive penetrator ordnance in Jupiter's gravity. FB gonna turn out the illegals come election day? Creo que no.
Run and win like Reagan in 1984.
Posted by: Guy Who Paints a Pollyanna-ish Scenario at August 07, 2015 08:58 AM (+TK8j)
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 08:58 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2015 08:59 AM (sLVyZ)
Yeah, he did. Something along the lines of "Does God want smaller government or for you to help your fellow Man" and so on.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2015 08:59 AM (k35lw)
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2015 08:59 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at August 07, 2015 08:46 AM (OiFtZ)
Good.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 07, 2015 09:00 AM (s/yC1)
Would vote for Trump probably. That's it.
For any of the rest of them, I'd write in one of the names above.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 07, 2015 08:51 AM (BZAd3)
Please take another look at Walker and Jindal. Don't take my word for it, but do your own homework and decide if they are worth it?
Because I agree with your first four choices. And a lot will happen before the Super Tuesday Primaries. My fave's were gone by then in 2012.
Posted by: rd at August 07, 2015 09:00 AM (k3MbG)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 07, 2015 08:53 AM (nFdGS)
Any Republican taking any stance on illegal immigration is going to get hammered, either by Conservatives or the MFM (delenda est).
Democrats, however, are allowed to be more nuanced as the MFM lickspittles will bend over backwards to "clarify" for them.
And Bernie is a de facto Democrat.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:00 AM (kff5f)
David P. Goldman made the comment that neither Germany nor Japan, apparently, will reproduce in captivity.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 07, 2015 09:00 AM (1ijHg)
Morning, kids. I will read your comments now and give each of you a gold star. I just want to get this out before I'm influenced by your comments.
I thought Trump was a Bhuddist monk in Saigon dousing himself with gasoline and setting himself on fire in the public square.
Also, go Carly!
Posted by: Bandersnatch, team Lefty and Scamp at August 07, 2015 09:01 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: sadeyesteve at August 07, 2015 09:01 AM (eSTIK)
Criminal. Enterprise.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2015 09:01 AM (sLVyZ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 07, 2015 09:02 AM (0O7c5)
Huh?
WTF does that have to do with anything?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:03 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2015 09:03 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: sadeyesteve at August 07, 2015 09:01 AM (eSTIK)
So Jews don't like Trump?
Posted by: jwest at August 07, 2015 09:04 AM (P/xrJ)
Posted by: bystander at August 07, 2015 09:04 AM (hKyl0)
Allright. Who scuffed the circle of protection on the stormfront hole?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 07, 2015 09:04 AM (UPYPp)
Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2015 09:03 AM (cbfNE)
Truth.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:04 AM (kff5f)
Want to go to a gay marriage? Fine. Bring a gift. Love your lesbo daughters? Great. More power to you.
Should five black robed tyrants who arbitrarily amend the Constitution every June have rammed it down the throat of the entire nation?
THAT's the issue. And WTF are you going to do about it?
Posted by: Radeaminit at August 07, 2015 09:05 AM (uSM1W)
Posted by: TickledPink at August 07, 2015 09:05 AM (ejOpp)
Pope Kasich ain't readin' the same Book as the rest of us.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 09:05 AM (oVJmc)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2015 09:06 AM (OGm46)
Jindal also sounded like he always does last night, knowledgeable and
good. He's a good man. He is just up against more charismatic people,
louder people, and people with more money and influence. He probably
would make a fine president, but I doubt he's going anywhere.
Fiorina did as she has been doing. Nothing changed other than she
had more time and a platform to continue her campaign. Never wobbles,
always succinct, and attacks the Democrats.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
I agree with all of that, but disagree profoundly about Trump. He's a court jester, except that there are some who take him seriously (although fewer than I think is widely believed) as a possible ruler.
He didn't answer a single question directly last night. His responses consisted almost entirely of shrugs, making faces, waving his hands, and then not answering the question that was asked. Yes he's fun to watch, and yes, his discussion of the border did raise the subject, but according to him, nobody was talking about it until he came along. Please.
Here is a link to a good summary of Trump and his oeuvre.
http://tinyurl.com/pcjlgvl
Posted by: pep at August 07, 2015 09:06 AM (LAe3v)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 07, 2015 09:06 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: MTF at August 07, 2015 09:06 AM (TxJGV)
Rubio: My family were impoverished Cubans.
Cruz: My father left us when I was three years old.
Kasich: My mom couldn't speak English. My daddy was a mailman.
Christie: My father lost his job when the ice cream plant went under.
Debate, or bad Monty Python sketch? You be the judge.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 09:06 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Deep-fried Cheese Curds Guy at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (+TK8j)
Posted by: rd at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (k3MbG)
Did any of the moderators bring up Planned Parenthood?
Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Eagle at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (VcOqI)
Trump running third party would validate my suspicion he's doing this for the Clinton machine.
Cruz is a good speaker. Showed pace where the others were trying to see how much be they could jam into their minute.
Rubio is also a polished speaker. Belongs in the Senate with Cruz. Leading? Not so much.
Huckabee was the most presidential.
Conservatives are screwed.
Posted by: sadeyesteve at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (eSTIK)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (zOTsN)
And your qualifications to make such a statement credible are what again?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (UPYPp)
AND. . . if he ran independent, I might just vote for him, especially if Jeb is the candidate.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (St6BJ)
Except for, you know, winning three elections as governor in a blue Midwestern state against massive Democrat-Union opposition.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 09:07 AM (O7MnT)
I'm beginning to think they are the Fusion Party. Why be Either/Or when you can be Both? They are the Party of Corruption and Evil.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 09:08 AM (1CroS)
Particularly using religious justifications, he's exactly what the Left screams about, but since he pushes in directions they want, I'm sure they're fine with it.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 09:08 AM (oVJmc)
*punches manatee*
I am sick and tired of this phrase. It's used by people who don't actually have a reason you shouldn't support someone, so they appeal to some ephemeral idea of "electability."
"Electability" got us John McCain and Mitt Romney. "Electability" will get us Jeb! Bush. So f*ck "electability."
I'm not a huge Walker supporter (even when I'm not in Team Burn it Down mode), but that's simply because I like others more, not because I think he's "not electable."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:08 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: bystander at August 07, 2015 08:25 AM (hKyl0)
Mrs. Hobbit and I had a social engagement last night and I couldn't watch the debates, so I can't comment on how Kelly performed overall. I'll take your word for it and concede the point.
On the other hand, from the clips I've watched, Kelly seemed to ask the questions that the candidates are going to have to answer a zillion times from every media outlet for the rest of their lives.
I think of last night's debate as a warm-up for the next 15 months. It may be a good thing that the candidates get these questions early when few people are paying attention so that they can either hone their debating skills or drop out.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at August 07, 2015 09:09 AM (dPpmC)
Posted by: jwest at August 07, 2015 09:04 AM (P/xrJ)
Just the dumb ones that bought one of his condo's in Miami that went bankrupt. They suing him.
Oh, and the one's that bought those Atlantic City bonds he defaulted on.
Other than that, most Jews don't like Trump. They hate his fcuking guts.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 07, 2015 09:09 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: sadeyesteve at August 07, 2015 09:09 AM (eSTIK)
http://tinyurl.com/oksdlng
Three U.S. defeats: Vietnam, Iraq and now Iran.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 07, 2015 09:10 AM (BZAd3)
http://tinyurl.com/pf9yrtn
And still some deny that Trump is Hillary's agent.
Posted by: Radeaminit at August 07, 2015 09:10 AM (uSM1W)
But, he is cool and boring and milquetoast (all qualities I myself quite like in my politicians), and he just doesn't evoke a burning fire within the GOP constituency.
We've done the nice, white guy with the nice, white family before. Four years ago. The fact is, and it's terrible, in 2015-16, a nice, simple, white guy with a decent family and a good political record isn't going to pull in votes and win elections. They just aren't.
So, the quicker we can get to someone who can actually win independent votes and can actually siphon some minority votes from the Dems, the better. That's the ONLY way we win folks. And, the longer it takes, the worse it is for us.
Posted by: TickledPink at August 07, 2015 09:10 AM (ejOpp)
Rubio: My family were impoverished Cubans.
Cruz: My father left us when I was three years old.
Kasich: My mom couldn't speak English. My daddy was a mailman.
Christie: My father lost his job when the ice cream plant went under.
Debate, or bad Monty Python sketch? You be the judge.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 09:06 AM (O7MnT)
Sounded like eThere was that moment of the debate where the candidates went on about the miseries of their childhood.
Rubio: My family were impoverished Cubans.
Cruz: My father left us when I was three years old.
Kasich: My mom couldn't speak English. My daddy was a mailman.
Christie: My father lost his job when the ice cream plant went under.
Debate, or bad Monty Python sketch? You be the judge.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 09:06 AM (O7MnT)
It sounded like the Athlete Profiles I hear if I bother to watch the Olympic Games on TC.
Posted by: rd at August 07, 2015 09:10 AM (k3MbG)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 07, 2015 09:11 AM (zOTsN)
Bret Baier made the mistake of associating himself with the Wallace-Kelly team of inquisitors and didn't do himself good. Or either he was directed to this match-up and was unable to influence the line of questioning.
Either way, it was spectacularly unimpressive and juvenile in its attempt to denigrate Trump with questions that have no meaningful relationship to the job of being president, but do have relevance if the purpose was to embarrass or harass Trump into an explosive rant.
Well, it didn't work and he make not have been a shining star in the debate, but he held his own. Today, the commentary is centered more around the assholishness of Wallace-Kelly instead of the intransigent Trump. Good on The Donald!
Posted by: Doctor Fish at August 07, 2015 09:11 AM (OiFtZ)
Let's just rule him out right now.
Posted by: TickledPink at August 07, 2015 09:05 AM (ejOpp)
Walker is just fine.
I think it's safe to say Jindal, Christie, Pataki, Gilmore and Graham can talk a walk.
Posted by: jwest at August 07, 2015 09:11 AM (P/xrJ)
Cruz: My father left us when I was three years old.
Kasich: My mom couldn't speak English. My daddy was a mailman.
Christie: My father lost his job when the ice cream plant went under.
--
What should Jeb have said?
My dad loved my brother more than me and my mom doesn't think I should be President?
Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2015 09:11 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 07, 2015 09:11 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2015 09:11 AM (xWW96)
Based on your comments thus far, if you were a young person, you'd be joining ISIS.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 07, 2015 09:11 AM (UPYPp)
Fuck 'em. Most of them voted for Obama so they deserve to be out of work and buried in debt. Stupid is as stupid does.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2015 09:11 AM (OGm46)
He's right. Someone counted the clock (it'll take a search engine search to get the numbers, sorry) and it was weighted. It should not have been. Everyone on stage should've been given equal time and consideration.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 09:12 AM (1CroS)
Nikki broke my heart with the CBF kerfuffle.
Posted by: Rick Perry at August 07, 2015 09:12 AM (evdj2)
http://tinyurl.com/oksdlng
Three U.S. defeats: Vietnam, Iraq and now Iran.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 07, 2015 09:10 AM (BZAd3)
You Can Add Afghanistan in two years.
Posted by: rd at August 07, 2015 09:12 AM (k3MbG)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 07, 2015 09:12 AM (evdj2)
Fuck
You
Posted by: ThunderB at August 07, 2015 09:13 AM (zOTsN)
His response was hilarious.
I have no problem believing trump is some sort of old school misogynist honestly, but 'just rosie O'Donnell' was funny. I forgot about that dumb feud.
Posted by: Lea at August 07, 2015 09:13 AM (lIU4e)
It will take a couple more debates before Trump supporters will lose the blinders. I thought that the debate showed that there are at least five candidates that have what it takes to run this Country.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 07, 2015 09:13 AM (p09tx)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 07, 2015 09:14 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Ben Carson, MD at August 07, 2015 09:14 AM (OiFtZ)
So?
"Democrats, however, are allowed to be more nuanced as the MFM lickspittles will bend over backwards to "clarify" for them."
It's Republicans who are trying to be nuanced by opposing amnesty in campaigns while voting for it in legislation. Democrats are straightforward in favor of amnesty or, like Sanders making the argument for why immigration is bad for American workers.
Sorry, but the "media is against us argument" doesn't cut it when the Republicans run for election on the harder position but govern by the softer one. They want amnesty and open borders and they are lying to their base when they claim anything else.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 07, 2015 09:14 AM (nFdGS)
*Takes one of each.
Hey, right tool for the right job.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:14 AM (kff5f)
I couldn't get past the first sentence, exhausted as I was fighting through my prejudice against the byline, and the publisher.
Posted by: Larry D. Konqlynov at August 07, 2015 09:15 AM (Bsj1o)
The left is always happiest when America loses a war. They were high-fiving each other throughout the seventies as the Khmer Rouge committed genocide, and they're high-fiving each other now as ISIS does the same.
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 09:15 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 07, 2015 09:15 AM (vg8iE)
what I did hate was the obvious way that every question to Jeb! was more or less phrased-
"Jeb!, tell us why you're so wonderful on (topic x)?"
The funny thing is-
Even with the obvious coordination between FOX and Jeb!-
Jeb! still sucked. Badly.
The rest of the field did pretty damn well with their "gotcha" questions.
Esp. Cruz.
Loved Cruz, Carly.
Okay with Walker(who finally woke up toward the end).
Carson's numbers will be way up - the glorious and perceptive Mrs naturalfake, who rarely takes an interest in politics, liked him a lot.
Meh, on the rest.
But, dammit, Huckabee is an excellent retail politician. Both he and Rubio made me hate them a little less.
Damn their eyes!
Posted by: naturalfake at August 07, 2015 09:16 AM (KUa85)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 07, 2015 09:16 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2015 09:16 AM (xWW96)
Hey, right tool for the right job.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:14 AM (kff5f)
Just leave my hwacha. That's for when things get interesting.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 07, 2015 09:16 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Ed at August 07, 2015 09:16 AM (uSM1W)
So any percentage odds of whether Christie Kreme or Miss Graham are going to openly state their support for bringing back the Alien and Sedition Acts?
Posted by: Jordan at August 07, 2015 09:16 AM (r9mDd)
You misunderstand me. In a general election, I don't think he is electable.
If conservatives come out full force, and liberals come out full force, we will lose. I just don't think Walker would pull in the kinds of votes a GOP candidate needs to win the general. The best thing I can say is he would probably carry Wisconsin.
Again, I like him a lot. I would pull the lever for him happily and with no hesitation. But, it is going to take someone charismatic to trick the lemmings into voting for them. Because the lemmings are the votes that will win the election.
Posted by: TickledPink at August 07, 2015 09:16 AM (ejOpp)
Posted by: Rick Perry at August 07, 2015 09:12 AM (evdj2)
Why?
She should put the history of the CBF to the people, Racist Dixiecrat Democrats put the CBF at the capitol, and the Republicans moved it to the Confederate Veteran Memorial where it belongs.
Posted by: rd at August 07, 2015 09:17 AM (k3MbG)
I think you're taking my comments for more than they are.
The question was why Republicans don't answer thus-and-so. And the reason is it's a losing proposition for them. They could be rock-ribbed Conservatives who will build The Great Wall of America across the southern border, and it wouldn't matter- just about any answer is going to get them hammered by one group or another (or more than one).
I agree that we should be able to expect straight answers out of them anyway. I agree that we should be able to expect them to govern in the manner they campaigned. The fact that we are not able to do either of those things is a large part of why I'm a founding member of Team Burn It Down.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:17 AM (kff5f)
Only in the world of progressivism is this totally illogical and asinine argument an effect defense for an indefensible "agreement".
And Chuck Schumer said he'd oppose. Besides the fact that the kibuki show to arrange the votes to make the deal pass without doing damage to vulnerable politicians, has already been written, this is mildly shocking.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 07, 2015 09:17 AM (BZAd3)
Ironically, Jeb! seems to be, too.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 09:19 AM (oVJmc)
Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2015 09:19 AM (xWW96)
Ironically, Jeb! seems to be, too.
...
...
...
Talk about a unity ticket.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:19 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: ole mis at August 07, 2015 09:20 AM (lLqy4)
Posted by: Rick Perry at August 07, 2015 09:12 AM (evdj2)
Why?
She should put the history of the CBF to the people, Racist Dixiecrat Democrats put the CBF at the capitol, and the Republicans moved it to the Confederate Veteran Memorial where it belongs.
Posted by: rd at August 07, 2015 09:17 AM (k3MbG) Hide posts from (k3MbG)
And from which she has now removed it. Caving to Jesse Jackson on Day One.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 07, 2015 09:20 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Ben Carson, MD
Carly: Hillary was NOT born a poor black child! She's lying.
Chris M: *faints* and then gets up and calls Carly racist
>>Fiorina reminds me too much of a boss I had. She says all the right things, but behind the scenes she is an utter disaster. All she was good at was managing her image. And that is what it looked like Fiorina did at HP. Manage her image while laying waste to the company.
So...vice president?
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 07, 2015 09:20 AM (nXeSu)
Posted by: DangerGirl: Hardliner, Reactionary and All-Around Wackobird at August 07, 2015 09:20 AM (VBVzn)
Bush 8
Walker 7
Carson, Kasich, Rubio, Trump 6
Cruz, Huckabee, Paul 5
Christie 4
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 07, 2015 09:21 AM (fWAjv)
He's a mailman.
He's a mailman.
He's a mailman.
He's a mailman.
He's a mailman.
He's a mailman.
He's a mailman.
He's a mailman.
He's a mailman!
My Daddy is a mailman!!!
Posted by: Rock Me, John Kasich at August 07, 2015 09:21 AM (KUa85)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 07, 2015 09:22 AM (fWAjv)
Wisconsin is a pretty good representation of the American voting public, if anything it's skews more toward the left. Walker has done extremely well in Wisconsin even after he incurred the wrath of the left by passing legislation they hate.
Why would you think he couldn't attract people in a similar fashion across the country?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2015 09:22 AM (OGm46)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 07, 2015 09:22 AM (zOTsN)
Sorry to hear that. Prayers for you and your family.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 07, 2015 09:22 AM (ir1zf)
Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2015 09:22 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 07, 2015 09:22 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 07, 2015 09:23 AM (ZQfW9)
What extreme positions did the candidates espouse at the debate as a result of Fox? The only position that might be considered extreme by the LIVs is Trumps pre debate rhetoric.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 07, 2015 09:23 AM (p09tx)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 07, 2015 09:24 AM (0O7c5)
http://tinyurl.com/pc7nxqk
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 07, 2015 09:24 AM (ee9LE)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 07, 2015 09:24 AM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Never seen the wind/seen the effects of the wind Guy at August 07, 2015 09:24 AM (+TK8j)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at August 07, 2015 09:24 AM (LVG/7)
I'm sorry for your loss.
My Grandparents were in their 90s when they passed. My Grampa actively wanted to go, and so stopped his medications (tellingly, after he stopped them, he went home about 18 hours later). My Granny had Alzheimer's so bad she didn't even remember her own children.
In both cases, I cried like a baby for a while. Even knowing that they're Home and free of the pain and frailties of life in general and old age in particular didn't help with *my* hurt knowing I'd never see them again in this life.
I know it doesn't help, because nothing does, but you have my sympathy.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 07, 2015 09:25 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2015 09:25 AM (cbfNE)
I will never vote for Jeb Bush. That's a fact.
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 07, 2015 09:22 AM (VcOqI)
he has zero chance of ever getting my vote.....they are worried about a call trump got? how about jeb's brother bill? and his wife hill? all part of the family!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 07, 2015 09:25 AM (0O7c5)
Walker is electable, you know how I know that, he's won fricken tough elections.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 07, 2015 09:26 AM (ScS2n)
The overall constituency in Wisconsin is vastly different than the overall constituency across the country, and surely you realize that. Even the bluest of blue parts don't exactly compare to the rest of the country: DC, Philly, Cleveland.
The Dems up there are blue dog; they're old school. They're patriotic. They aren't minority and/or welfare leeches looking out for #1 (for the most part)
Democrats have been elected here in Indiana. That don't mean that they will play well everywhere.
Posted by: TickledPink at August 07, 2015 09:26 AM (ejOpp)
supporters will lose the blinders. I thought that the debate showed
that there are at least five candidates that have what it takes to run
this Country.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 07, 2015 09:13 AM (p09tx)
For heaven's sake, can we at least retire the lie that those things are debates? They are designed for one purpose only: to generate clips that can be used by one's enemies to demonstrate how unfit you are for elective office.
In that sense, then yes. Trump will do all sorts of things at these events that will scare the LiVs in the Republican Party. When he does, he'll go down.
We know this already. I would say the man is not fit for public office, but hell, public office is not fit these days for ANYONE with a moral compass and a few working brain cells.
I hope he runs third party. I might even vote for him if he does. I sure as shit am not going to be voting for the Republican nominee.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2015 09:26 AM (TOk1P)
Now to book a plane ticket. Ugh.
Posted by: DangerGirl: Hardliner, Reactionary and All-Around Wackobird at August 07, 2015 09:27 AM (VBVzn)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 09:27 AM (1CroS)
Questions per candidate
Bush 8
Walker 7
Carson, Kasich, Rubio, Trump 6
Cruz, Huckabee, Paul 5
Christie 4
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA
The important thing isn't the number of questions asked, it's the number that were answered well or memorably.
Trump's answers were memorable in the sense of a monkey flinging feces.
Posted by: pep at August 07, 2015 09:27 AM (LAe3v)
And I think I didn't get my point through. Yes, taking a strong position is going to lose some faction of the electorate. So what? That's true of any issue. The fact that Republicans run for election - not just in primaries, but in the generals - as being tougher on immigration than they actually are tells you where the winning side of the issue is.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 07, 2015 09:28 AM (nFdGS)
2012: Electable Romney - Loser
2008: Electable McCain - Loser
2004: Incumbent Bush - Winner
2000: Electable Bush - Lost Popular Vote
1996: Electable Dole - Loser
1992: Incumbent Bush - Loser
Posted by: V the K at August 07, 2015 09:29 AM (O7MnT)
Ah, no. Wisconsin is pretty much the birthplace of modern liberalism. Read up on Robert Fighting Bob La Follette. The Dems up there are very, very liberal.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2015 09:29 AM (OGm46)
patriotic. They aren't minority and/or welfare leeches looking out for
#1 (for the most part)
I see you've never been there.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 07, 2015 09:31 AM (/kI1Q)
The GOP has no one to blame for his candidacy but themselves.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 07, 2015 09:31 AM (evdj2)
I actually have been there, as I have a friend that lives up there. Yes, I realize there are some very liberal folks in Wisconsin.
But, I think overall, the Democrats there are a little more middle of the road than say, Delaware.
Posted by: TickledPink at August 07, 2015 09:33 AM (ejOpp)
Helped themselves:
Cruz
Carson
Huckabee
Didn't move the needle:
Rubio
Trump
Walker
Bush
Kasich
Shot themselves in the foot:
Christie
Paul
Posted by: wrg500 at August 07, 2015 09:35 AM (C278+)
Regarding the vote Republican pledge, yeah, if Jeb is the nominee I won't vote, so I can't fault Trump for running as an independent.
Posted by: Ken at August 07, 2015 09:36 AM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 07, 2015 09:38 AM (dgfje)
Posted by: sadeyesteve at August 07, 2015 09:47 AM (SzPhy)
Exactly like the rest of the R party enablers that have held office over the last 8 years."
There are no Democrats left (read "liberals"); they all are Marxists-socialists. All of them. IMHO this coming election will be a gigantic battle of capitalism vs socialism; conservatism/liberalism vs Marxism; making your own wealth vs continuing to run out of other people's hard-earned wealth; continuing development that has lifted most of the world out of poverty and life that was "nasty, brutish, and short" vs destruction of the developed world by way of control of "carbon", the molecule of life and life's energy (only the elites can have "it"); real science vs continued fraudulent science for purposes of elite control; re-commitment to the scientific method and real peer review vs continued vicious utopian ideologies and religious stupidities.
A gigantic struggle. Are we in or not.
In this struggle, I think that Donald Trump is the only one who has a prayer of a chance at disrupting the corrupt political-crony corporation nexus with their bought mouth pieces, the so-called media. I don't think I will like all the reforms he puts in place to make American work again and continue its exceptionalism, but his independence is the only change. Otherwise we get the Jeb (no one else has the massive funding -- and the others have to be mouthpieces for the GOPe's role in the corruption because they do not have any money to run otherwise).
For a well-thought thesis regarding supporting Donald Trump see sundance at conservativetreehouse.com.
Beware of Fiorina, though. She speaks well, very, very well. I am glad she is talking and perhaps there is a place for her in the next Admin. But take a look at her actual accomplishments -- did she actually create something exceptional or did she lessen whatever she touched?
Posted by: pyromancer76 at August 07, 2015 09:50 AM (sPfLU)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at August 07, 2015 09:50 AM (o6FEl)
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at August 07, 2015 09:51 AM (evdj2)
Murdoch dislikes Trump. Could be they are ingratiating themselves with their employer to enhance their next contract.
Or they just don't like the guy because the just don't like the guy.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2015 10:02 AM (1CroS)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 07, 2015 10:04 AM (evdj2)
Ah, no.
Not even close. Nope. The Dems in WI make the berkeley moonbats look sane. You've got the dems in WI weaponizing the government against opponents (private citizens, no less, not even politicians). Hell, wisconsin has had (and would likely have again if any seriously ran) communist party members (proudly and openly communist party members) win elections.
Yeah, the left in WI is far more nuts than you're making it seem.
Posted by: GMan at August 07, 2015 10:07 AM (sxq57)
When threatened by an independent or America first demagogue, the left doesnt play. They didn't play with Lindbergh. They didn't play with Nixon. They didn't play with Reagan (he just got lucky that they missed) and they wont play with Trump. I consider the left the same as the professional political class. D or R means zilch.
Posted by: sadeyesteve at August 07, 2015 10:19 AM (SzPhy)
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