Monday Morning Open Thread

I'm working on a project so my schedule has changed. Morning news dumps will be sporadic for several weeks.

Posted by: BenK at 09:01 AM

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1 Shiny and new...

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:02 AM (RD7QR)

2 Sporadic dumps? Is that a medical condition?

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 20, 2015 09:03 AM (GA9gG)

3 Proposal for a sammich named after Meggy McCain: The Roll on a Roll: A pork roll on a kaiser roll. Plenty of mayo, of course.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:04 AM (RD7QR)

4 Well, call it a Meggy roll. Moar coffee.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:05 AM (RD7QR)

5 mccain is a piece of shit

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 20, 2015 09:06 AM (0O7c5)

6 Proposal for a sammich named after Meggy McCain:

Double stuffed taco.

Posted by: RickZ at July 20, 2015 09:06 AM (HEtQ3)

7 Draft Vic!!

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 20, 2015 09:07 AM (PFy0L)

8 There is an ad that is too big for the left sidebar and nearly makes it impossible for me to open the thread. Does that happen to anyone else?

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:07 AM (DkJ4E)

9 I was already done with Fox News but the hiring of Meggy is the nail in the coffin.

Posted by: steevy at July 20, 2015 09:07 AM (sPO3u)

10 The You Been Here Four Hours: Leftover General Tso's chicken rolled in wontons and dipped in mayo.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:07 AM (RD7QR)

11 #weHeartCuba

Posted by: Jen Psocki at July 20, 2015 09:09 AM (Dwehj)

12 8, no, but I am getting an ad for Oreo Thins.
Hmmm.

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 20, 2015 09:09 AM (FTYF8)

13 The You Been Here Four Hours: Leftover General Tso's chicken rolled in wontons and dipped in mayo
======================

My stomach feels bad just looking at that sentence

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:09 AM (DkJ4E)

14 My chicken is better.

Posted by: General PAO! at July 20, 2015 09:10 AM (Dwehj)

15 Miralax FTW!

Posted by: DaveA at July 20, 2015 09:10 AM (DL2i+)

16 I'm not objecting to the ad itself, btw, which has a hot chick on it and is for something called the "European Wax Center".

What the hell is a "European Wax"?

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:11 AM (DkJ4E)

17 Hunan shrimp is what I buy your wife before introducing her to my 10 inch barrel mm

Posted by: Paolo at July 20, 2015 09:11 AM (HstNY)

18 The Deli Meggy: Pork, wontons, Cheetoes, and carrot cake on a kaiser roll. And plenty of mayo.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:12 AM (RD7QR)

19 Morning horde.

Are we never going to get serious???

http://tinyurl.com/oyzvmna

Cornara's head was later found pinned to the gates at the American-owned Air Products factory in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier near Lyon, surrounded by two Islamist flags.

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That the suspect gave the killing the appearance of an Islamist strike is so far not sufficient to convince investigators he was motivated by a jihadist ideology.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 20, 2015 09:12 AM (fWAjv)

20 Well local media still wondering motive of Chattanooga shooter. Guess it's hard to think while blowing a terrorist.

Posted by: dogfish at July 20, 2015 09:13 AM (jWtyG)

21 Repeat my links

Proposal would keep many Social Security recipients from owning guns if you have someone filling out your accounts for you.

http://fxn.ws/1VkbECA

Trump doubling down on McCain. Refuses to apologize.

http://fxn.ws/1IedzEO

First CA had drought, now they have floods washing away I-10 in Southern CA.

http://fxn.ws/1I49lJy

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 09:13 AM (GpgJl)

22 I'll stop now for the benefit of morons who haven't eaten breakfast yet.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:13 AM (RD7QR)

23 Didn't the guy in France also have an IS or similar flag?

Posted by: Paolo at July 20, 2015 09:14 AM (HstNY)

24 How does 'expenses' for a nonprofit like PlanPar work? Salaries, equipment, proportion of utilities, rent -- how much is written off and/or charged if someone is buying the results of their nonprofit? Just do not understand. Same with gays paying 'expenses' for a baby. How about foster parents and their support allowances? How long does a maid have to work to recoup 'expenses' of bringing him/her to another country?

More questions than answers, but very much worth investigating. Seems like a lot of body selling to me.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 20, 2015 09:14 AM (MIKMs)

25 Morning news dumps will be sporadic for several weeks.

Metamucil should take care of that.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 20, 2015 09:15 AM (8hctH)

26 Speaking before the raid on her home, Salhi's wife described her husband as a 'normal Muslim'
----

Bingo!!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 20, 2015 09:15 AM (fWAjv)

27 I must confess a fondness for the ads with the hot fembots in them (are those just paintings, or photoshops, or bodypaint? Asking for a friend). Sadly, I have the Tootsie Pop ad up on the left at present, not hot fembots.

Posted by: Agent J at July 20, 2015 09:15 AM (ueOgE)

28 Man drowns in Demi Moore's pool while she was away.

http://fxn.ws/1HJY4io

Democrats say "The Deal" will be a tough sell on the Hill. Why are they saying this? The Deal has already been made.

http://fxn.ws/1RHFiCv

Republicans to lift decades old oil export ban.

http://fxn.ws/1LmtbGX

Fox says Obama has restored diplomatic relations with Cuba. He does not have that authority. Diplomatic relations were curtailed by an act of Congress and that's what it will take to restore them.

http://fxn.ws/1IeeLbx

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 09:16 AM (GpgJl)

29 UN Security Council just unanimously approved the Iran deal. Obama's legacy as the President who gave Iran nukes is complete.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2015 09:16 AM (OGm46)

30 Corgis called.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 09:16 AM (ATv6t)

31 Sporadic dumps? Is that a medical condition?

Too much cheese.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 09:17 AM (ATv6t)

32 Democrats say "The Deal" will be a tough sell on the Hill. Why are they saying this? The Deal has already been made.

http://fxn.ws/1RHFiCv

Republicans to lift decades old oil export ban.

http://fxn.ws/1LmtbGX

Fox says Obama has restored diplomatic relations with Cuba. He does not have that authority. Diplomatic relations were curtailed by an act of Congress and that's what it will take to restore them.

http://fxn.ws/1IeeLbx

WaPo is going after Trump now.

http://wapo.st/1SwlKvJ

Trump: I don't need to be lectured

http://usat.ly/1GursHE

5 year old shows up in uniform to honor Chattanooga vets.

http://bit.ly/1MfkKMX

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 09:17 AM (GpgJl)

33 Investigators still trying to tie Chattanooga shooter to CBF?

Posted by: dogfish at July 20, 2015 09:18 AM (jWtyG)

34 Bran fixes the sporadic dumps and replaces them with one consistent dump.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:18 AM (RD7QR)

35 What the hell is a "European Wax"?
Like a Brazilian but they don't do her armpits.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2015 09:18 AM (kivUY)

36 That the suspect gave the killing the appearance of an Islamist strike is so far not sufficient to convince investigators he was motivated by a jihadist ideology.

There you have it.

Posted by: Zombie George Orwell at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (Dwehj)

37 Jack Straw -- My take is that Pres Obama is setting up for UN head after the downtime after he leaves office.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (MIKMs)

38 test

Posted by: tomato sharknado at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (HQFP/)

39 19 Cornara's head was later found pinned to the gates at the American-owned Air Products factory in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier near Lyon, surrounded by two Islamist flags.
==============================

Have the French been able to divine that guys motivation yet?

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (DkJ4E)

40 Well local media still wondering motive of Chattanooga shooter. Guess it's hard to think while blowing a terrorist.

Too busy trying to remove the taste of goat.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (ATv6t)

41 Baltimore riots only lasted a few hours due to outstanding response by the Mayor. How many people in Baltimore know this is a lie?

http://bit.ly/1VkheVw

And speaking of liars; does anyone in this administration tell the truth?

http://bit.ly/1MCKnFo

Illegal alien detention centers cost more than a 4 star hotel.

http://bit.ly/1Vkiub3

Black lives don't matter at Dem convention.

http://bit.ly/1MeQ0Ma

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (GpgJl)

42 The UN can pass anything they want. A treaty not approved by the Senate is not binding on the US.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (RD7QR)

43 UN Security Council just unanimously approved the Iran deal. Obama's legacy as the President who gave Iran nukes is complete.
Posted by: JackStraw

Iran probably already has it. And none of them are willing to deal with it. When Iran does announce, these posturing jerks will pretend that they were wronged....and still do nothing. Israel and KSA will probably act on their own.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (Spluw)

44 Continuing our discussion, I get why Trumpy is popular. The public, and Republicans in particular, have grown to hate politicians. Trumpy is marketing himself as an anti-politician.

But, seriously, I thought we were a little less gullible than this.

I can't imagine voting for Trumpy, but I have a hard time understanding why a more viable candidate doesn't take a hint and be more brave about the issues Trumpy is talking about.

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (O7MnT)

45 Ramirez

http://bit.ly/1fXDy7h

That's it for today.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 09:20 AM (GpgJl)

46 And obviously, my calling him "Trumpy" is an MST3K ref.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bslu64OftQ

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:20 AM (O7MnT)

47
Have the French been able to divine that guys motivation yet?
Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (DkJ4E)

Scroll up. They haven't.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 20, 2015 09:20 AM (fWAjv)

48 Pixy sure is tough to copy and paste in.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 09:20 AM (GpgJl)

49 You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You have chosen dishonor and you will have war.

Posted by: Somebody, that one time at July 20, 2015 09:21 AM (jAouv)

50 And speaking of liars; does anyone in this administration tell the truth?

#no

Posted by: Jen Psocki at July 20, 2015 09:21 AM (Dwehj)

51 I can't imagine voting for Trumpy, but I have a hard time understanding why a more viable candidate doesn't take a hint and be more brave about the issues Trumpy is talking about.
Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (O7MnT)

If Cruz were to pick up Trump's rhetoric and tone it down a bit he could make a lot of headway. Walker is less credible about this but could assuage some doubts about him by doing the same thing.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:21 AM (RD7QR)

52 I had the hot fembots a few times today but those things do nothing for me. They look like Nazi-imagined future world stuff.

I'd like to learn a little more about this European Wax business though.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:21 AM (DkJ4E)

53 "Morning news dumps will be sporadic for several weeks."

I would suggest a diet high in fiber.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 20, 2015 09:22 AM (Mtb58)

54 >>The UN can pass anything they want. A treaty not approved by the Senate is not binding on the US.

And? How well do you think US only sanctions on Iran would work?

The whole point of the sanctions agreement was that it had worldwide support. If Iran can get whatever they want from any country but the US it is a meaningless sanctions agreement.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2015 09:22 AM (OGm46)

55 "Morning news dumps will be sporadic for several weeks."

I would suggest a diet high in fiber

#DrinkColonBlow!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 09:23 AM (ATv6t)

56 Come on people, this far into the threat?

I saw Sporadic Dumps open for the Butthole Surfers at CBGB in '84.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2015 09:24 AM (TOk1P)

57 "I would suggest a diet high in fiber."
Or the dreaded apparatus...

Posted by: jerry s. at July 20, 2015 09:25 AM (kivUY)

58 "Morning news dumps will be sporadic for several weeks."

Situation normal, move along.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 20, 2015 09:25 AM (sWgE+)

59 Any mainstream candidate that picks up Trump's rhetoric on immigration will get cut off by the Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 09:25 AM (oVJmc)

60 I can't imagine voting for Trumpy, but I have a hard time understanding why a more viable candidate doesn't take a hint and be more brave about the issues Trumpy is talking about.

Brave. You said it yourself.

The Pack of Stupid (PoS) running for the Republican nomination have little bravery about them. Walker shows flashes of it.
What trump is doing isn't really brave either. he's doing what he's doing because it costs him little or nothing to say it. The PoS says little or nothing because it would cost them greatly. One is a mule that kicks because it can and nothing is likely to get near it and do it injury. The rest are sheep in a pen.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 20, 2015 09:25 AM (Spluw)

61 The whole point of the sanctions agreement was that it had worldwide support. If Iran can get whatever they want from any country but the US it is a meaningless sanctions agreement.
============================

Only as meaningless as we make it. America is everyone's largest export market. If the US decides to level sanctions and Siemens decides to go ahead and sell centrifuges anyway, Siemens is risking billions of dollars of annual sales.

US sanctions have big sharp teeth.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:25 AM (DkJ4E)

62 54 >>The UN can pass anything they want. A treaty not approved by the Senate is not binding on the US.

And? How well do you think US only sanctions on Iran would work?

The whole point of the sanctions agreement was that it had worldwide support. If Iran can get whatever they want from any country but the US it is a meaningless sanctions agreement.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2015 09:22 AM (OGm46)

If your point is that it would be a meaningless gesture to shoot down the treaty, then yes, that's true.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:26 AM (RD7QR)

63 I imagine 100 years from now, history students will be shaking their heads as they read about this era, just as I was shaking my head as I was reading about politician's actions prior to WW1.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 20, 2015 09:26 AM (PFy0L)

64 V the K: you wouldnt see it if they were. Trump is the media's preferred populist/conservative candidate. They're going to use him to deprive the real conservatives of airtime.

Posted by: Thing from Snowy Mountain at July 20, 2015 09:27 AM (uPEP1)

65 "The UN can pass anything they want. A treaty not approved by the Senate is not binding on the US. "

But, as Charles Krauthammer pointed out in his column today, if the UN lifts sanctions against Iran, then they are irretrievably lost, no matter what the Congress does.

All Iran wants -- and Obama is willing to give them on a silver platter -- is an end to UN sanctions.

Iran could give a crap about Congress and whether or not the treaty is endorse.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 20, 2015 09:27 AM (NjiZL)

66 Continuing our discussion, I get why Trumpy is
popular. The public, and Republicans in particular, have grown to hate
politicians. Trumpy is marketing himself as an anti-politician.

But, seriously, I thought we were a little less gullible than this.

I can't imagine voting for Trumpy, but I have a hard time
understanding why a more viable candidate doesn't take a hint and be
more brave about the issues Trumpy is talking about.

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (O7MnT)

Remember, Ross Perot won 19% of the vote in '92 on the basis of some folksy "common sense" comments, and a general disdain for politicians (but those whose last name was Bush, in particular).

There have been many others before them, they never really have any plan for what they would do, if elected. They will never be elected, so I'm not sure it really matters.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2015 09:28 AM (TOk1P)

67 Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 20, 2015 09:26 AM (PFy0L)
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assuming we aren't back in the Dark Ages, that is, and reading is confined only to a small number of monks living in isolated fortresses.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:28 AM (DkJ4E)

68 The Vic News Network is doing re-runs.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 20, 2015 09:28 AM (1ijHg)

69 No one asked me, but the way to address illegal immigration isn't to attack the illegals, but to attack the Government's failure to secure the border and the effects of cheap foreign labor on American workers.

Yeah, the Chamber of Commerce won't like it, but surely not every Republican is a CoC Stooge. Cruz? Jindal? Paul?

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:28 AM (O7MnT)

70 Homosexuality is a condition of birth, entirely determined by genes.

Gender is entirely socially-programmed, having nothing whatsoever to do with genes.

I got my mind right, boss.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 09:29 AM (YFw5T)

71 63 I imagine 100 years from now, history students will be shaking their heads as they read about this era, just as I was shaking my head as I was reading about politician's actions prior to WW1.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 20, 2015 09:26 AM (PFy0L)

The people running the show only talk to one another and only hear what they want to hear. They decided a while back that retreat and apology would make things better for everybody and by God that's all they can hear. Meanwhile the train rushes toward the fallen bridge at high speed.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:29 AM (RD7QR)

72 Proposal would keep many Social Security recipients from owning guns if you have someone filling out your accounts for you.>>>

Finally the govt does something to protect us from the very large problem of wandering Alzheimer spree killers.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 20, 2015 09:29 AM (81UWZ)

73 Didn't the guy in France also have an IS or similar flag?

Posted by: Paolo

No, I'm pretty sure it was the Stars and Bars.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 20, 2015 09:29 AM (/Ho8c)

74 Proposal for a sammich named after Meggy McCain:

the Emerson sandwich

As in, "emerson bigguns on that chubby blonde chick!"

or

"emerson stupid words coming out of her piehole!"

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 20, 2015 09:30 AM (JO9+V)

75 The term is "couldn't give a crap."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 20, 2015 09:30 AM (1ijHg)

76 Morning news dumps will be sporadic for several weeks.

Have you tried probiotics?

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at July 20, 2015 09:30 AM (rHXGG)

77 The black pro-CBF activist was Anthony Hervey, and he had better have one hell of a funeral procession. I'd fully expect the Sons to turn out, and if the CBF faction of the Klan isn't there with bells on, they do not have a hair on their lily-white ass.

Rhetorically useful to remind them from time to time that fifty thousand black men, sir, fought for Dixie -- and quite a number still do. Requiescat in pace, and you can bet there will be a flag on that grave. Maybe two.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at July 20, 2015 09:30 AM (xq1UY)

78 I have a hard time
understanding why a more viable candidate doesn't take a hint and be
more brave about the issues Trumpy is talking about.

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (O7MnT)
=========================

Publicity is Trumps great genius, and every time he opens his mouth he makes even more clear how poor the rest of the field is at mass communication.

Its really an amazing contrast.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:30 AM (DkJ4E)

79 I can't be bothered with what the Austrians are doing, I have to pick out the seven different uniforms I am going to wear today.

Posted by: Kaiser Wilhelm II at July 20, 2015 09:31 AM (jAouv)

80 dumps will be sporadic for several weeks.

Drink Brawndo

Posted by: wrg500 at July 20, 2015 09:31 AM (sWgE+)

81
This unfortunately is typical:

http://goo.gl/wnyDZW

All the dumbass adults stand there and tape it and some how it got on the internet, too. That poor little girl.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 20, 2015 09:32 AM (iQIUe)

82 Remember, Ross Perot won 19% of the vote in '92 on the basis of some folksy "common sense" comments, and a general disdain for politicians (but those whose last name was Bush, in particular). There have been many others before them, they never really have any plan for what they would do, if elected. They will never be elected, so I'm not sure it really matters.
Posted by: BurtTC

Historically, third parties tend to achieve the exact opposite result they claim to seek. They usually screw over their own 'side'. Their desire is to go farther to the left or right, and the result is usually splitting that one side and handing victory to the opposite pole.

I think that TR in 1912 came closest with the Bull Moose party, as he ran to the left of Taft. It went left, as desired, but all the way to Wilson.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 20, 2015 09:32 AM (Spluw)

83 "Remember, Ross Perot won 19% of the vote in '92 on the basis of some folksy "common sense" comments, and a general disdain for politicians (but those whose last name was Bush, in particular)."

Let's not forget, too, that at one point in the race, Perot was actually *leading* both Bush and Clinton in the three-way race. Perot was polling around 35-40% in June and early July.

And then he dropped out, using that weird "Republicans were trying to crash my daughter's wedding" excuse. That has always made me think that he was in it to be Clinton's spoiler, but once he (accidentally) started pulling ahead of Clinton, he had to drop out and tone it back.

But then get back in the race late enough to pull just enough GOP/conservative/populist support to win it for Clinton.

Wonder if that's the game plan for Trump as well?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 20, 2015 09:32 AM (Mtb58)

84 "The UN can pass anything they want. A treaty not approved by the Senate is not binding on the US. "

But, as Charles Krauthammer pointed out in his column today, if the UN lifts sanctions against Iran, then they are irretrievably lost, no matter what the Congress does.

All Iran wants -- and Obama is willing to give them on a silver platter -- is an end to UN sanctions.

Iran could give a crap about Congress and whether or not the treaty is endorse.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 20, 2015 09:27 AM (NjiZL)

Exactly.
A) it's not a treaty. Should be but it is not
B) Once sanctions are gone they are gone for good. Just like once we got shafted with Fredocare, we are shafted for good.

Iran WILL go nuclear.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2015 09:32 AM (+b+iY)

85
Have you tried probiotics?

Italian girlfriend some years ago: "How do you say probiotica in English?"

Me: "we don't".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 20, 2015 09:33 AM (JtwS4)

86 Posted by: Cloyd Freud

Yah, makes my head hurt, too.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 20, 2015 09:33 AM (/Ho8c)

87 Historically, third parties tend to achieve the exact opposite result they claim to seek. They usually screw over their own 'side'. Their desire is to go farther to the left or right, and the result is usually splitting that one side and handing victory to the opposite pole.

Yup. Exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2015 09:33 AM (+b+iY)

88 I think they would have less trouble finding the killer's motivations if he belonged to that snake cult from Conan the Barbarian.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 20, 2015 09:33 AM (+4uXG)

89 They're going to use him to deprive the real conservatives of airtime.

Posted by: Thing from Snowy Mountain at July 20, 2015 09:27 AM (uPEP1)

Must be working, I haven't seen one yet.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 20, 2015 09:34 AM (sWgE+)

90 No one asked me, but the way to address illegal
immigration isn't to attack the illegals, but to attack the Government's
failure to secure the border and the effects of cheap foreign labor on
American workers.

Yeah, the Chamber of Commerce won't like it, but surely not every Republican is a CoC Stooge. Cruz? Jindal? Paul?

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:28 AM (O7MnT)

Imagine a world, where the Republican Party was interested in picking up votes where it has never had them before. They could... I don't know, frame this as a racial issue, perhaps? Poor, American black folks who can't find work are being displaced by illegal mexicans, what's up with that??

If these politicians really cared about poor people, the question would be asked. It's not being asked.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2015 09:35 AM (TOk1P)

91 On those few instances I open a Jazz Shaw thread at HotGas I feel like the Idiocracy is nigh. What a dipshit.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:35 AM (DkJ4E)

92 Homosexuality is a condition of birth, entirely determined by genes.

Gender is entirely socially-programmed, having nothing whatsoever to do with genes.

For awhile, they were not necessarily declaring homosexuality "determined by genes" but something happens to them during pregnancy. Slightly different from when it was in the DSM and they'd blame the mother o.O but still blaming the mother.

I think that second sentence might be anti-trans* because they've "always felt like" their gender, indicating it's intrinsic, not socially-constructed. If you gave Sno'flaque toy monster trucks and he traded them on the playground for a boa, that's a revolt against the social programming.

* I used the asterisk so it's not H8, bitchez!

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at July 20, 2015 09:35 AM (rHXGG)

93
I think they would have less trouble finding the killer's motivations if
he belonged to that snake cult from Conan the Barbarian.

Posted by: BourbonChicken

Sure, it'd be obvious in that case:

He was seeking emptiness.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 20, 2015 09:36 AM (/Ho8c)

94
The killing of unarmed US Servicemen is a tax.

There. Done.

Now, can we stop talking about motives like islam and jihad?

You're welcome.

Posted by: Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts at July 20, 2015 09:36 AM (KUa85)

95 "A) it's not a treaty. Should be but it is not"

No, it is a treaty. Don't buy into McCain's (and Obama's) faulty and deceptive logic that the Executive Branch gets to determine what's a treaty and what's not a treaty.

Any agreement between two or more sovereign nations is a treaty.

It's a treaty. And it's up to the people of the United States to tell their servants in the Congress that it's a treaty.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 20, 2015 09:36 AM (NjiZL)

96 I seem to recall reading somewhere that Ross Perot made some 50-odd calls to the Clinton Campaign and none to the Bush campaign. I really believe he was in it to spoil the election for Bush 41.

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:36 AM (O7MnT)

97 >>> imagine 100 years from now, history students will be shaking their heads as they read about this era,

I imagine they won't be able to. It'll be about as accessible as a stack of 5 inch floppies.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at July 20, 2015 09:36 AM (3ZtZW)

98 ...OTOH, I'd rather have toy monster trucks. *srednop*

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at July 20, 2015 09:38 AM (rHXGG)

99 Iran WILL go nuclear.

Nevergiveup

I think Iran is nuclear. It's the miniaturization and the delivery system they're working on now. Deliver of a Fat Man or Little Boy bomb is a problem for them, they want a suitcase bomb.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 20, 2015 09:38 AM (sWgE+)

100 I'm beginning to suspect that the COBs aren't full time AoS researchers/posters.

Posted by: Daybrother at July 20, 2015 09:38 AM (kOBIH)

101 But then get back in the race late enough to pull just enough GOP/conservative/populist support to win it for Clinton. Wonder if that's the game plan for Trump as well?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

beats the crap outta me.

Posted by: occams razor at July 20, 2015 09:39 AM (Spluw)

102 * I used the asterisk so it's not H8, bitchez!

* is the universal wildcard in *nix type operating systems. So "trans*" is appropriate.

Posted by: The Seals at July 20, 2015 09:40 AM (brIR5)

103 Trump is a braying jackass.
Please, he would replace the presidential seal with "TRUMP"
He's only in this to promote his brand.

Posted by: common sense at July 20, 2015 09:40 AM (LPHFE)

104 Poor, American black folks who can't find work are being displaced by illegal mexicans, what's up with that??

If these politicians really cared about poor people, the question would be asked. It's not being asked.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2015 09:35 AM (TOk1P)

The poor blacks already know this and still vote 96% Dem

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 20, 2015 09:40 AM (R8hU8)

105 Gender is entirely socially-programmed, having nothing whatsoever to do with genes.

Then it should be okay to reprogram Bruce Jenner, no?

I mean, that's a lot less drastic than surgical mutilation and chemicals.

But, no, gender can't be RE-programmed, so shut up, h8r.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 09:40 AM (oVJmc)

106 100 I'm beginning to suspect that the COBs aren't full time AoS researchers/posters.

Posted by: Daybrother at July 20, 2015 09:38 AM (kOBIH)
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No of course they aren't. They also check out cheerleader pictures on the internet and read twitter.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:41 AM (DkJ4E)

107 Historically, third parties tend to achieve the
exact opposite result they claim to seek. They usually screw over their
own 'side'. Their desire is to go farther to the left or right, and the
result is usually splitting that one side and handing victory to the
opposite pole.

I think that TR in 1912 came closest with the Bull Moose party, as
he ran to the left of Taft. It went left, as desired, but all the way to
Wilson.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 20, 2015 09:32 AM (Spluw)

Short term, maybe, but what about long term? Someone with more time than I could look into this. If a "run from the right" will split the Republican vote, thus costing the election, does it tend to move the party further right after that? Or of course, same for candidates from the left for Dems (I'm thinking Nader in '00).

If so, it might be worth it. Because we KNOW what will happen if conservatives fall in line with the Gope. Even when the Gope wins, conservatives lose.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2015 09:41 AM (TOk1P)

108 It's political suicide, but obliterating the Iranian leadership is the only answer.

Posted by: common sense at July 20, 2015 09:43 AM (LPHFE)

109 So, if the United States makes the Eid al Fitr a national holiday, will muslims stop calling us the Great Satan?

Gosh, I really, really, really, hope so, President Obama.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 20, 2015 09:43 AM (NjiZL)

110 100 I'm beginning to suspect that the COBs aren't full time AoS researchers/posters.
Posted by: Daybrother at July 20, 2015 09:38 AM (kOBIH)

Eh. Voluntary labor is voluntary. If given a choice between doing your job well and rounding up links for the Horde's insatiable maw, do your job well.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:44 AM (RD7QR)

111 Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at July 20, 2015 09:38 AM (rHXGG)

LGBT=Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual-Trucker?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2015 09:44 AM (Zu3d9)

112 Nood. Pitcher.

Posted by: johnd01 at July 20, 2015 09:45 AM (ukNFU)

113 108 It's political suicide, but obliterating the Iranian leadership is the only answer.
Posted by: common sense at July 20, 2015 09:43 AM (LPHFE)

Of which Netanyahu and his advisors are well aware. The question is, what are the consequences of a decapitation strike?

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 09:45 AM (RD7QR)

114 ">>> imagine 100 years from now, history students will be shaking their heads as they read about this era, "

How can you shake your head when it has been hacked off by a representative of the Religion of Peace?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 20, 2015 09:45 AM (NjiZL)

115 Long term, who knows or can know? Third parties on the left tend to be gadflys that attract the attention and resources of useful idiots that battle their way onto ballots.
Or who run extortion campiagns for payoff (Jackson, Sharpton).

Ones on the right are...what? We don't know what in Hell Perot was on about 20 years later. Was he a spoiler for Clinton? Was he a vanity candidate? Was he a genuine third party independent?
TR and the Bull Moose party couldn't hack it long term, and they had a better national candidate and natural constituentcy.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 20, 2015 09:46 AM (Spluw)

116 The poor blacks already know this and still vote 96% Dem

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 20, 2015 09:40 AM (R8hU

We act as if it's written in stone, and of course it isn't. Traditionally, blacks were Republicans, and tended to prosper when they were. Then along came the so-called civil rights movement, and the Dems jumped on board.

Black people are not monolithically Democrat because Democrats are good for them, they are so because it sure does look like Republicans don't give a damn about them. You can argue whether the Party does indeed care about them or not, but you can't argue the optics. The Party has a reputation as one who has disdain for blacks.

It wouldn't take much to change that. Start talking about how conservatism is good for ALL Americans, is one way. Stop getting on your knees for the mythical hispanic vote is another.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2015 09:46 AM (TOk1P)

117 Yahoo News nails it. With two completely contradictory dueling headlines, they cannot possibly be wrong!

]Gold hits five-year low under $1,100 on Chinese selling

China's been hoarding gold and it isn't likely to stop

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:49 AM (DkJ4E)

118 ">>> imagine 100 years from now, history students will be shaking their heads as they read about this era, "

And long before then, they will be SMH at the fashion trends of bad dye jobs (middle aged women walking around looking like they dipped their head in a cotton candy vat), hideous eyeware, and tattoos.

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:49 AM (O7MnT)

119 "Homosexuality is a condition of birth, entirely determined by genes.

Gender is entirely socially-programmed, having nothing whatsoever to do with genes.

I got my mind right, boss."

That kind of makes sense in an insane, leftist, SJW sort of way. That is, if you insist (as gay activists soon will) that we are actually all homosexuals by nature and heterosexuality is forced upon us by society. Science proves it! Which of course means gays are normal and heterosexuals are in denial and the ones in need of psychiatric treatment.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 20, 2015 09:50 AM (1BQGO)

120 Black people are not monolithically Democrat because Democrats are good for them, they are so because it sure does look like Republicans don't give a damn about them. You can argue whether the Party does indeed care about them or not, but you can't argue the optics. The Party has a reputation as one who has disdain for blacks. It wouldn't take much to change that. Start talking about how conservatism is good for ALL Americans, is one way. Stop getting on your knees for the mythical hispanic vote is another.
Posted by: BurtTC

And who is in charge of the optics? How was it that George Wallace got blacks to vote for him? The guy who was the ugly poster child for segragation?

You act as though the RNC set out to torpedo itself.

Delaware's own Joe Biden: "they're goona pur ya'all in chains!!"

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 20, 2015 09:50 AM (Spluw)

121 "Black people are not monolithically Democrat because Democrats are good for them, they are so because it sure does look like Republicans don't give a damn about them. You can argue whether the Party does indeed care about them or not, but you can't argue the optics. The Party has a reputation as one who has disdain for blacks."

Let's be realistic. The reason most blacks don't think Republicans care for them is because most blacks, even folks who have made it into the middle class and are doing pretty well, still define "caring for us" as "giving us free stuff." I hate how that sounds, but it really is the case. Since conservatives and (some) Republicans aren't really big on giving away free stuff, it stands to reason that most blacks will not be attracted to the message that conservatives and (some) Republicans are selling.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 20, 2015 09:50 AM (Mtb58)

122 "illegals are cheap labor, end illegal woking and your prices will go up" is a partial truth: that is, it is a lie for all the reasons not addressed.

Juan comes to the US. He gets an ITIN. He and his wife work minimum wage for 20 hours each (most places hiring like this actually hire for 30-35 to avoid that "full-time" thing, but, one of them might be a day laborer too - however they can also work multiple part time jobs)

The lovely couple pays rent, maybe sales tax, and income taxes. They get food stamps. They get other benefits, including tax write-offs and tax credits. The kids get free meals. They get more than they pay.

That money comes from tax revenue, or at least the promise of tax revenue from the future (that is what the deficit borrowing is, essentially). Your taxes. Your company's taxes. The guy down the street who welds in his garage but would love to hire a couple of guys like you for a start up but can't because no-one is buying because they have to pay taxes instead.

So, the chamber of commerce and GOPe supporters are getting their cheap labor subsidized by you. Your cheap hamburger is paid for in part by your tax withholding. Your cheap lettuce is paid for by assured higher taxes in the future to meet the interest payments.
If you don't eat that hamburger, you are just subsidizing someone else's hamburger - so don't think you can opt out that way either.

Oh, and and no-one talks about the effect this has on the cost of labor generally. Labor prices are affected by the availability and demand just like any commodity. However, like any commodity, when the supply and cost are manipulated by subsidies it distorts the market.
With importing cheap labor and subsidizing it, you have knocked the bottom out of the labor pricing for entry jobs.
This is not "They took our jobs", it is "they take our money to pay to people to underbid our work"

Sorry, I am wordy today. I'm posting big slabs of grey.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 20, 2015 09:51 AM (3pRHP)

123 imagine 100 years from now, history students will be shaking their heads as they read about this era, "

Or learning about how the Great Light Worker Barack Obama smashed the racist patriarchy and established the Hegemony of the Formerly Oppressed.

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:51 AM (O7MnT)

124 Millions of people added rainbow stripes to their profile image over the weekend, to show their support for LGBT rights in a way that did not require them to get up from their computers.

Sales manager Mary Fisher said: 'Of course I support equality, but my old picture used a very flattering Instagram filter. This one makes me look simultaneously seasick, jaundiced and sunburned.'

'I can't change it back though in case everybody thinks I've suddenly become a massive homophobe. I might as well put up a selfie with Vladimir Putin.'

-----

Your move SJW.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 20, 2015 09:54 AM (fWAjv)

125 I think that TR in 1912 came closest with the Bull Moose party, as he ran to the left of Taft. It went left, as desired, but all the way to Wilson.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 20, 2015 09:32 AM (Spluw)

Honey Badger Party!

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at July 20, 2015 09:55 AM (1P74Q)

126 Or learning about how the Great Light Worker Barack Obama smashed the
racist patriarchy and established the Hegemony of the Formerly
Oppressed.

Saying that our beloved President Obama is the Fifth Light is racist, so make sure everyone knows that so they can avoid saying it.

Posted by: Liberal Arts Major at July 20, 2015 09:55 AM (3pRHP)

127 Ok, I think that might have come from a parody site. I can't tell anymore.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 20, 2015 09:55 AM (fWAjv)

128 Democrats say "The Deal" will be a tough sell on the Hill. Why are they saying this? The Deal has already been made.

For the same reason OBumbles came out the week before the "deal" (capitulation) was announced and claimed a 50/50 chance of coming to terms. $15 billion in gold was airmailed from S. Africa to Tehran the previous week. The deal was done a long time ago. They want to make their own narrative about the administration "beating the odds at the last minute." The Congress has to pass a bill DISAPPROVING the deal, which Obama vetoes. Presto! It's LAW, BITCHES!
Fukc you very much, Bob Corker.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 20, 2015 09:57 AM (5buP8)

129 ...oh and, every last mother f*^#ing last one of them can look their constituency in the eye and say: I voted against the Iran deal.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 20, 2015 09:59 AM (5buP8)

130 I think they would have less trouble finding the killer's motivations if he belonged to that snake cult from Conan the Barbarian.

Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

Posted by: Thulsa Choom at July 20, 2015 10:25 AM (evdj2)

131 Sporadic?

As in less regular than they have been so far?

How does that happen?

But hey, it's okay. We don't need no steenking regularity.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 20, 2015 11:14 AM (x3GpS)

132 Vote serious repub. It has worked soooooo well in the past.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at July 20, 2015 11:20 AM (COpZ4)

133 37
Jack Straw -- My take is that Pres Obama is setting up for UN head after the downtime after he leaves office.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 20, 2015 09:19 AM (MIKMs)
***********And if that happens, we should withdraw from the UN, stop funding it, close down the NYC hqs and give it to Trump to deal with.

Posted by: gracepc at July 20, 2015 12:10 PM (DMQhB)

134 Work, work, work.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at July 20, 2015 12:11 PM (uPxUo)

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