Morning Thread (7-20-15)

Back to work, proles.

Posted by: Andy at 06:24 AM

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1 3 minutes and no comments?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:26 AM (SnQ7l)

2 The sound of settled silence!

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:27 AM (SnQ7l)

3 Echo.....echo....echo.....

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:28 AM (SnQ7l)

4

DAY 986

477 to go (550 to Inauguration Day 2017)

Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, Mao-suits, McCain's, McConnell's, Mahdi megatons, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, mewling mattress myth manufacturers, marriage maimers, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Mugwumps, Monrovian microbes, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microaggressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:28 AM (St6BJ)

5 You're not my boss. And good mornin'.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 20, 2015 06:29 AM (oKpFs)

6

Let the proles eat profiteroles.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:29 AM (St6BJ)

7 Do you win some kind of prize if you get the first 10 comments on a new thread?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:29 AM (SnQ7l)

8 I guess not

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:30 AM (SnQ7l)

9
By the way, my fellow rape-shifters, you'll never guess which amateur webzine I am working at for the next couple of weeks.

Slate!

(**looks for giant magnet and directions to their mainframe**)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:30 AM (St6BJ)

10 One of these days I'm going to look up what "mugwump" means.

Not today though.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:33 AM (SnQ7l)

11 Morning, Horde.

Posted by: fluffy at July 20, 2015 06:33 AM (2iV3X)

12 Take a extra Big Gulp with you and offer it as a sacrifice to the computer demons. Use any open port you can find.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:35 AM (SnQ7l)

13 No Folger's for you!

Posted by: fluffy at July 20, 2015 06:36 AM (2iV3X)

14 Hah, good morning daywalkers, its back to radio silence for me in 3 hours when I go home thanks to a glitch in TB3K's programing wherein my IP is blocked there making me mute.

#twoweeks

Posted by: Gmac - 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at July 20, 2015 06:36 AM (4pjhs)

15
At least it's in the advertising dept. or something like that. I think I have to help them solicit potential advertisers with phony stories to make them look good, or something like that.

Sheesh. I feel like a whore and not the Xaviera Hollander/Sidney Biddle Barrow/Heidi Fleiss variety.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:39 AM (St6BJ)

16 My father explained mugwump to me thusly:

"A person who is sitting on a fence with his mug on one side of the fence and his wump on the other".

I forget what political event, person, or party the term applies to, maybe someone else can help out with that.

Oh, and g'morning everyone !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 20, 2015 06:40 AM (go6ud)

17
Well, it didn't take long for Trump to fuck up a good thing. I mean, McStains is such an easy target for so many reasons, but to attack him for being a POW?

Gevalt.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:40 AM (St6BJ)

18 Can I say that I don't think we should be calling Bruce Jenner, Caitlyn? I know people argue that we should use the name people want and in principle I agree. However, in this case the name is part of his mental illness as much as his belief he is a woman.

Also, I've read through some of the PP sting transcript. I can understand why the abortion people claim nothing is there. If you don't think the baby at that stage is a human life, then the story is a huge nothing. It's a pretty bland conversation. The PP person keeps mentioning how this is an additional good to the good they are performing with the abortion.

Whoever was doing the sting though fit into the role perfectly.

Posted by: WOPR at July 20, 2015 06:40 AM (nRvEn)

19 **sound of coffee brrwing**

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 06:41 AM (oo88B)

20
I only added mugwump to the M List because someone here was hocking-a-chainik over my head to add it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:41 AM (St6BJ)

21 And now, with McStains getting a primary challenge from someone who could have beaten him, he'll get the sympathy vote.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:43 AM (St6BJ)

22 >>> Sheesh. I feel like a whore and not the Xaviera Hollander/Sidney Biddle Barrow/Heidi Fleiss variety.

#JustTheTip

Posted by: fluffy at July 20, 2015 06:43 AM (2iV3X)

23 Trump is not the first to attack Captain John for that. I believe the Right Honorable Senator Al Franken holds that Honor. There have been others.

This isn't going to cost Trump anything.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:44 AM (SnQ7l)

24 Hah, good morning daywalkers, its back to radio silence for me in 3 hours when I go home thanks to a glitch in TB3K's programing wherein my IP is blocked there making me mute.

Join the club. Have to use 4G LTE. Both at home and pirated wifi at work.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 06:44 AM (ATv6t)

25 Proposal would keep many Social Security recipients from owning guns if you have someone filling out your accounts for you.

http://fxn.ws/1VkbECA

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:45 AM (GpgJl)

26 Trump doubling down on McCain. Refuses to apologize.

http://fxn.ws/1IedzEO

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:45 AM (GpgJl)

27 First CA had drought, now they have floods washing away I-10 in Southern CA.

http://fxn.ws/1I49lJy

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:46 AM (GpgJl)

28 Man drowns in Demi Moore's pool while she was away.

http://fxn.ws/1HJY4io

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:46 AM (GpgJl)

29 You think the repukes will let Captain John lose the Primary?

Nothing personal but I think I'll sit here, laugh, and try not to snort Coffee out my nose.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:46 AM (SnQ7l)

30 Democrats say "The Deal" will be a tough sell on the Hill. Why are they saying this? The Deal has already been made.

http://fxn.ws/1RHFiCv

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:46 AM (GpgJl)

31 23 Trump is not the first to attack Captain John for that. I believe the Right Honorable Senator Al Franken holds that Honor. There have been others.

This isn't going to cost Trump anything.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:44 AM (SnQ7l)

They're Democrats. They're allowed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:46 AM (St6BJ)

32 Republicans to lift decades old oil export ban.

http://fxn.ws/1LmtbGX

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:46 AM (GpgJl)

33 Fox says Obama has restored diplomatic relations with Cuba. He does not have that authority. Diplomatic relations were curtailed by an act of Congress and that's what it will take to restore them.

http://fxn.ws/1IeeLbx

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:47 AM (GpgJl)

34 WaPo is going after Trump now.

http://wapo.st/1SwlKvJ

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:47 AM (GpgJl)

35
Okay, folks.

Gotta get going. Work. What a concept?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:47 AM (St6BJ)

36 Trump: I don't need to be lectured

http://usat.ly/1GursHE

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:47 AM (GpgJl)

37 5 year old shows up in uniform to honor Chattanooga vets.

http://bit.ly/1MfkKMX

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:48 AM (GpgJl)

38 Baltimore riots only lasted a few hours due to outstanding response by the Mayor. How many people in Baltimore know this is a lie?

http://bit.ly/1VkheVw

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:48 AM (GpgJl)

39 And speaking of liars; does anyone in this administration tell the truth?

http://bit.ly/1MCKnFo

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:48 AM (GpgJl)

40 Illegal alien detention centers cost more than a 4 star hotel.

http://bit.ly/1Vkiub3

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:49 AM (GpgJl)

41 Black lives don't matter at Dem convention.

http://bit.ly/1MeQ0Ma

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:49 AM (GpgJl)

42 The database of "where the white people at" is for Pigford III type lawsuits to elicit reparations. If a black person thought about buying a house in a white suburb, much like if they ever thought about farming or having a pet chicken in Pigford, said suburb or exurb is to pay them for damages. As far as retirement schemes go this is Obama's idea of mutual fund.

Posted by: Lester at July 20, 2015 06:49 AM (2UPXV)

43 Ramirez

http://bit.ly/1fXDy7h

That's it for today.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:49 AM (GpgJl)

44 Trump is doubling down & he needs to - he's been pointing out he called McCain a hero 3 times in the interview; plus he's capable of shouting louder than the shouters, which he'll do until others begin saying the same thing - McCain is a horrible senator.

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 06:50 AM (oo88B)

45 Well, it didn't take long for Trump to fuck up a
good thing. I mean, McStains is such an easy target for so many
reasons, but to attack him for being a POW? Gevalt.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 06:40 AM

Not only did Trump stomp on his own unit, but he was gleefully pounced upon by the True Conservatives from the Tepid Air wing of the Republican party, who giggled and tittered righteously at The Donald's gaffes and declared him, once again, Not One of Us.

So much for dissent and truth in this campaign. The other wannabes will continue to mouth politically correct platitudes and vie with each other for the Mr Nice Guy Award.

Meanwhile, Choom Boy had a helluva week: He got his Iranian buddyroos into the Nuke Club, opened our doors to Coo-ba, praised his Muzzie pals as one of them murdered five members of our military, and keeps his Hitlerian race-based databases on Americans humming along.

Unreal, is what it is.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 06:50 AM (rCmeG)

46 Today starts the week that I pretend I am on my period...

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner News Network at July 20, 2015 06:55 AM (ejRez)

47 "Unreal, is what it is."

Scarey as all hell too

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 06:56 AM (oo88B)

48 Diplomatic relations were curtailed by an act of Congress and that's what it will take to restore them. Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:47 AM

That was true in the Good Old Days, Vic, but probably not so much now. It seems to have been treated as a fait accompli by one and all....

Does every member of Congress have to stand in line once a day to kiss Choom Boy's ass, or does it just seem that way?

BTW, thanks for the news, Vicmeister!

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 06:57 AM (rCmeG)

49 A mugwump is a Republican who crosses the line and votes for a Democrat.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:57 AM (GpgJl)

50 46 Today starts the week that I pretend I am on my period...

Make me a sammich, Bruce!!

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 06:57 AM (oo88B)

51 Trump is no Conservative. People that think Trump is some savoir need to wake up to this.

The thing is neither are any of the others. So what does it matter. The trouble maker is going to take the votes.

Trump is making trouble. He is taking on all the sacred gopE cows.

Winning strategy?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:59 AM (SnQ7l)

52 Scarey as all hell too

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 06:56 AM

In a pathetic misery-loves-company way, I'm relieved to find out that what's happening scares someone else as well, Ruth.

I was beginning to think that I'm the only one bothered by the alarmingly swift descent into third-world totalitarianism. So many people -- including many who claim to be "conservative" -- act as if they are 100% down with what's happening.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 07:00 AM (rCmeG)

53 Reddit is sick and tired of the controversies caused by their poor management and are taking action to heal the site. The irony police weren't consulted before he put out this inane statement:

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman announced the site's new harassment policy in the form of an AMA (Ask Me Anything). Users, called Redditors, will be given time to offer input before the new policies are finalized.

"Reddit is a place to have open and authentic discussions," wrote Huffman. "The reason we're careful to restrict speech is because people have more open and authentic discussions when they aren't worried about the speech police knocking down their door."

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 07:01 AM (DkJ4E)

54 There is a link in my nic that I linked before. It is an article at the American Thinker blog and is about the McCain/Trump deal. My personal opinion is that McCain betrayed America by saying we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency. And he never defended Palin.

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 20, 2015 07:01 AM (zW5rQ)

55 "hero" is a word that needs to be defined better.

Also, words like "torture" and "amnesty" don't mean what they used to. The world would be better off with more accurate use of language.

Posted by: jwest at July 20, 2015 07:01 AM (P/xrJ)

56 @51. Are any of them running Conservative? Because they sure hide it.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at July 20, 2015 07:03 AM (Bbcs8)

57 Go collect their money JJ! There is no better revenge on the stupid Slate-ies than taking as much of their dough as you can grab.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 07:04 AM (DkJ4E)

58 Xaviera Hollander. OMG. The Happy Hooker, right? We found somebody's porn stash in an abandoned lot when I was a kid and a water-logged, molded copy of that book was part of it. I say porn stash but it was one or two books and a bunch of True Confessions with articles like, "I Peep at My Stepsister in the Shower." We left the stuff where we found it and would check on it every once in awhile when we came to monitor the progress of the decomposing cat skeleton nearby. (Hey, poor city kids in the 70s. Not much to do after the pop-bottle round up for candy money was over.) One day the magazines were gone but the books were still there. Which I always thought was odd.

Posted by: Gem at July 20, 2015 07:04 AM (c+gwp)

59 Yeah.. I was reading that sidebar article about the challenger for McCain.. But, it seems to me Trump just guaranteed McCain another easy win.. Trump is the gift that keeps on giving!

Morning!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 20, 2015 07:04 AM (UpGcq)

60 So the point of the new database is to collect demographics to know how to distribute illegals and Muslims most efficiently.

Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 07:05 AM (bGLSw)

61 Ace, do y'all know your site is running a banner ad from Lambda Legal Foundation advertising legal help in running gay discrimination assaults on employers?

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 07:05 AM (DkJ4E)

62 "The reason we're careful to restrict speech is because people have more open and authentic discussions when they aren't worried about the speech police knocking down their door."

I think he is trying to say that they want to restrict the people that harass people who won't speak freely because of fear of harassment. But, we all know that that will only mean certain so called harassers. The "Caitlyn is a woman you h8tr" people will not be targeted.

Posted by: WOPR at July 20, 2015 07:09 AM (nRvEn)

63 Good Morning, Horde. Time to lick the donuts.

Posted by: ALH at July 20, 2015 07:10 AM (btTLZ)

64 I see that gay Thomas Roberts is going to be the gay anchor of NBC Nightly News.

Posted by: Pete in TX at July 20, 2015 07:13 AM (z5plU)

65 Yeah.. I was reading that sidebar article about the challenger for McCain.. But, it seems to me Trump just guaranteed McCain another easy win.. Trump is the gift that keeps on giving!

Morning!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 20, 2015 07:04 AM (UpGcq)

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Um, no. How can something Trump says over a year away guarantee McCain a win? Trump isn't running against him. No one will remember this in a month. Really, the Trump haters need to stop reaching at everything the man says.

I also agree with the earlier statement. We need to stop throwing the term "hero" around. Just being something, soldier, policeman, firefighter, etc., does not make one a hero.

Posted by: WOPR at July 20, 2015 07:13 AM (nRvEn)

66 Posted by: WOPR at July 20, 2015 07:09 AM (nRvEn)
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I agree with you he's probably trying for that meaning, but he failed to get there. Pretty funny phrasing in that poorly worded sentence; sounds like "we will make speech free by curtailing it".

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 07:14 AM (DkJ4E)

67 Types

Deletes.

I just can't say it right without being a trouble maker.

IMHO Trump Did not say anything that a lot of people already think. IMHO the fact that Trump said what he said will have no effect on the Captain John Primary.

The gopE will not allow Captain John to lose. He will die in office just like Thaddie boy will.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 07:14 AM (SnQ7l)

68 I've been thinking about this Trump Implosion thingy. You knew this was going to happen at some point in time. Better he crash and burn attacking a Republican War Hero than pull a Todd Akin.

Posted by: ALH at July 20, 2015 07:15 AM (btTLZ)

69 So if I understand the story, Demi Moore goes on vacay and her secretary throws a party at her house, and some guy drowns?

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 07:16 AM (DkJ4E)

70 Any argument in a world with speech codes becomes manuevering your adversary into violating one, or arguing that they violated one.

When Martin Luther debated his thesis, his opponent's sole goal was to get him to admit his thesis was heretical in the eyes of the Church. He didn't refute anything he said. To him, roast Luther was victory.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 20, 2015 07:16 AM (LM21r)

71 Winter's coming. I want a cheap, used coal heater. For Gaia.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 07:18 AM (YFw5T)

72 I am one prole who is happy to get back to work. I just started a new job doing interesting work for what seems to be a great company making good money after being out long enough to have run out of unemployment benefits. After being out of work for months with not a lot of interest, all of a sudden I had multiple offers. I don't know why I suddenly became far more attractive to employers than before.

Anyway, so long for now, folks. See ya later when I can squeeze in the time between learning all the new stuff I have to cram into my head in the next few weeks.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 20, 2015 07:20 AM (QHgTq)

73 If a mugwump is someone who left the Republican Party in 1882, count me out. If a mugwump is someone who left the Republican Party in 2015, I suspect a lot of Morons in the Horde qualify.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 20, 2015 07:20 AM (1ijHg)

74 The New Mugwump Party? I'm in.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 07:21 AM (YFw5T)

75 "I was beginning to think that I'm the only one bothered by the alarmingly swift descent into third-world totalitarianism. So many people -- including many who claim to be "conservative" -- act as if they are 100% down with what's happening."

Whenever I say anything about today's realities people look at me with wide eyes & fear (I keep it light enough to not go all conspiracy theory, touching on only the stuff they've seen in the msm, plus one). Then they figuratively shut they're eyes & ears and return to lighter topics -- it's too much for people to handle. Unless you're willing to drop everything and fight, and if you don't have faith that you & God are on the same team, then it's so much more pleasant to keep the cogs & sprockets moving with no thought given to the foundation the machine is built upon.

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 07:22 AM (oo88B)

76
Again, with McStains, he is a horrible human being, a total Washington DC sell-out, and from all accounts I've seen of his military record sub-par at best.

But for fuck's sake, to attack him for being a POW is just beyond stupid.

Trump can now really go away.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 07:23 AM (St6BJ)

77 http://pointsandfigures.com/2015/07/20/dodd-frank-total-fail/

Happy 5th Aniv to the second most useless piece of legislation Obama ever passed, Dodd-Frank. (Obamacare was the first most useless piece of legislation ever passed)

Posted by: Jeffrey Carter (@pointsnfigures) at July 20, 2015 07:24 AM (LnE5F)

78
And he totally fucked the poor woman who had a pretty decent shot at primarying McStains the hell out of DC for good.

Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 07:24 AM (St6BJ)

79 77 http://pointsandfigures.com/2015/07/20/dodd-frank-total-fail/

Happy 5th Aniv to the second most useless piece of legislation Obama ever passed, Dodd-Frank. (Obamacare was the first most useless piece of legislation ever passed)
Posted by: Jeffrey Carter (@pointsnfigures) at July 20, 2015 07:24 AM (LnE5F)

Useless? I wish it were just useless. It's as disastrous if not more destructive than Obamacare.
It nationalized the banks.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 07:25 AM (St6BJ)

80 John McCain has done zip for veterens.

Has he attacked Obama for his abysmal performance with regards the VA?

What has that cock stain Grahm done?

That's rigr they haven't done jack shit about this administration outright killing veterens.

So that corrupt weasel from Arizona can go piss up a rope if he thinks any right thinking person is going to defend his sacred honor.

John McCain was an incompetent pilot, he's a corrupt Senator and he is fully onboard with the invasion of this country.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 20, 2015 07:27 AM (97FRK)

81 Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 07:14 AM (DkJ4E)

No, I agree that the wording is very poor.

Posted by: WOPR at July 20, 2015 07:28 AM (nRvEn)

82 Have a GREAT day at work, Obnoxious A-Hole!!!
:-)

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 07:28 AM (oo88B)

83 Fox says Obama has restored diplomatic relations
with Cuba. He does not have that authority. Diplomatic relations were
curtailed by an act of Congress and that's what it will take to restore
them.

http://fxn.ws/1IeeLbx

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:47 AM (GpgJl)

Somehow I don't think King Barry is going to pay attention to a minor detail like the law and the Vichy Republicans won't challenge him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2015 07:28 AM (DiZBp)

84
18 Can I say that I don't think we should be calling Bruce Jenner, Caitlyn? I know people argue that we should use the name people want and in principle I agree. However, in this case the name is part of his mental illness as much as his belief he is a woman.

You should always use the preferred name a person wants to be known by.
Unless its a muslim convert that took a muslim name and committed terrorism. Then you're supposed to use his legal name, always.

Posted by: MSM at July 20, 2015 07:28 AM (zt+N6)

85 >>>>Also, I've read through some of the PP sting transcript. I can
understand why the abortion people claim nothing is there. If you don't
think the baby at that stage is a human life, then the story is a huge
nothing. It's a pretty bland conversation. The PP person keeps
mentioning how this is an additional good to the good they are
performing with the abortion.
.
.
.The problem I think some of the pro-abortion crowd is having with that whole mess is that if they are harvesting "human" organs then the fetus is in fact a human, not just a clump of cells as they have been led to believe. They are having internal logic meltdowns over trying to square that peg and for some it isn't working.

Posted by: The Great White Sctosman at July 20, 2015 07:29 AM (iONHu)

86 73
If a mugwump is someone who left the Republican Party in 1882, count me
out. If a mugwump is someone who left the Republican Party in 2015, I
suspect a lot of Morons in the Horde qualify.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 20, 2015 07:20 AM (1ijHg)

Not just left the Republican Party but also voted for the Democrat. I don't think too many Morons will vote for a Democrat.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 07:29 AM (GpgJl)

87 Gramps J

I guess I now am a Mugawump. McCain and Romney- but mostly McCain- made it clear that I must not be a true republican. They did not represent my feelings, nor did they demonstrate a willingness to fight in the campaign. So,as a result, I find myself lining up with Trump, as he is at least able to yell "fire" in this theater of the absurd we find ourselves in.

Again, I urge everybody to read the article linked in my nic.

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 20, 2015 07:31 AM (zW5rQ)

88 Useless? I wish it were just useless. It's as disastrous if not more destructive than Obamacare.
It nationalized the banks.

Weaponized them. Operation Chokepoint. Snitching on withdrawals.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 07:32 AM (ATv6t)

89 " I don't think too many Morons will vote for a Democrat.'

Do we still have to vote for who ever because they have a (R) after their name?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 07:32 AM (SnQ7l)

90 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 20, 2015 07:32 AM (ZQfW9)

91 Trump still hasn't said anything that is untrue. I like that he is still taking the flame-thrower to soft targets.

Posted by: Nikkolai at July 20, 2015 07:34 AM (aEfC9)

92 .The problem I think some of the pro-abortion crowd
is having with that whole mess is that if they are harvesting "human"
organs then the fetus is in fact a human, not just a clump of cells as
they have been led to believe. They are having internal logic meltdowns
over trying to square that peg and for some it isn't working.

Posted by: The Great White Sctosman at July 20, 2015 07:29 AM (iONHu)

If they had internal logic, they wouldn't be liberals. For them the agenda is all that matters so the sky can be green and the sun made of cheese if it furthers the agenda.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2015 07:34 AM (DiZBp)

93 McCain is a horrible senator.
Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 06:50 AM (oo88B)

Was he that great a pilot?

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at July 20, 2015 07:35 AM (R0UpV)

94 Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 07:22 AM (oo88B)

Reality for most Americans is derived from network sitcoms. Considering that our republic no longer exists is just too discomfiting to them--they prefer their comfortable lies.

I've decided it's time to shut up with most people. It's no longer safe to try to raise alarms about the destruction of Western Civilization. My energy is more wisely spent on survival.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 07:35 AM (YFw5T)

95 I see that gay Thomas Roberts is going to be the gay anchor of NBC Nightly News.

Posted by: Pete in TX at July 20, 2015 07:13 AM

It was obvious even before the news of his loafer-lightness "came out." NBC, the network of Glorious Diversity, would never add a straight white male to their roster when so many blacks, Hispanics and -- thank you Col "Bat" Guano! -- deviated preverts are clamoring for teevee time.

They have plenty of Girls Who Love Girls, Nancy-boys and, of course, Minority Heroes, on the "news" every night....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 07:35 AM (rCmeG)

96 "So that corrupt weasel from Arizona can go piss up a rope if he thinks
any right thinking person is going to defend his sacred honor.
"

An estimated 20 hours in combat won Captain John 28 Medals.

Two tours in Iraq should have gotten me two tons of Medals instead of the handful on my DD214.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 07:35 AM (SnQ7l)

97 @86. I'll vote Conservative, if there is one on the ticket. I'm not voting for Progressive Lite. I'm tired of that sh*t.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at July 20, 2015 07:36 AM (I0sxh)

98 76>> JJ, did you read the article Vic linked at July 20, 2015 06:47 AM, or was there another article?

I didn't see anything in the article Vic linked, other than a couple of grandiose promises and statements of fact regarding McShitty that I would consider an 'attack' on someone for being a POW.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2015 07:36 AM (iR/Sj)

99 "Trump can now really go away. "

Trump is this cycle's Ron Paul - moreso than Rand Paul even - in that he has drawn a circle of ardent supporters who will defend this loudmouth no matter what he says, usually repeating the same two or three cliches in every comment (again, like the Paulbots). Unfortunately he's here for the long haul.

Posted by: Paul at July 20, 2015 07:36 AM (n+82F)

100 Let's hope the entire field of GOP candidates learns from this Trump thing.

Never, ever apologize. For anything. Period.

If you do, it will never end and press owns you.

Posted by: jwest at July 20, 2015 07:36 AM (P/xrJ)

101 I will vote for any Republican except Jeb Bush over Hillary.

Jeb Bush is an affront to every thing this country was founded on and the Republican Party needs to die and be reborn.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 20, 2015 07:36 AM (97FRK)

102 78
And he totally fucked the poor woman who had a pretty decent shot at primarying McStains the hell out of DC for good.

Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 07:24 AM (St6BJ)

Quit being such a goddamned candyass.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at July 20, 2015 07:37 AM (R0UpV)

103 Weaponized them. Operation Chokepoint. Snitching on withdrawals.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 07:32 AM

And yet I'm afraid the effects of Choom Boy's Find-the-Honkies databases will make Dodd-Frank pale in comparison.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 07:37 AM (rCmeG)

104 89 Do we still have to vote for who ever because they have a (R) after their name?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 07:32 AM (SnQ7l)

I don't plan on voting at all. Why waste my time standing in line to vote for a RINO I don't like.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 07:38 AM (GpgJl)

105 "Never, ever apologize. For anything. Period.
"

Sound advice. Too bad none of them will take it.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 07:38 AM (SnQ7l)

106 Chicago: 6 shot last night
Baltimore: 1 dead, 2 shot last night

Probably all shot by white cops, I'm sure. anyway,
Black lives matter.

Posted by: Colin at July 20, 2015 07:38 AM (WQLtV)

107 3 minutes and no comments?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 06:26 AM (SnQ7l)

Everyone must have been up all night still trying to unravel the mystery of why innocent little Muhammad killed the Marines. Why there are just no clues as to what his motives were

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2015 07:38 AM (DiZBp)

108 My dictionary says they "bolted the Republican Party in 1882."

I am still too fuzzy-headed to figure-out where they went.

Duh. To the Democrats.

Yeah. Not too many Morons of the Horde going to do that.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 20, 2015 07:39 AM (1ijHg)

109 "I will vote for any Republican except Jeb Bush over Hillary."

I will vote for no Republican. Ever.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 07:39 AM (YFw5T)

110 >>>>I don't plan on voting at all. Why waste my time standing in line to vote for a RINO I don't like.
.
.
.So your OK with Hillary then?

Posted by: The Great White Sctosman at July 20, 2015 07:40 AM (iONHu)

111 I don't plan on voting at all. Why waste my time standing in line to vote for a RINO I don't like.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 07:38 AM (GpgJl)

Too far away from the primaries still. Wait until they really get going. I'm waiting for the "you better vote for candidate X or you are destroying the Country" attacks to start.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 07:40 AM (SnQ7l)

112 ".So your OK with Hillary then?"

Difference between shillary and the guy that gave her an award for some made up reason?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 20, 2015 07:41 AM (SnQ7l)

113 Trump is similar to a Chinese buffet -- An hour later, you're defending him again.

The Times of Israel has a piece on how TFG and Co. traded a few bad Iranian dudes for a few innocuous Americans in the run up to the wondrous nuke deal.

http://tinyurl.com/pkmlsjq

Not as bad as the Bergdahl prisoner swap deal, but close.

Sigh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2015 07:42 AM (JE3jT)

114 110 .So your OK with Hillary then?

Posted by: The Great White Sctosman at July 20, 2015 07:40 AM (iONHu)

Do you think Scankles is going to win SC?

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 07:43 AM (GpgJl)

115 Fuck McStain and his defenders in general and the GOP in particular. Its not like Trump can reduce their credibility any more than they already have. And I for one enjoy watching those ass clowns squirm under the spotlight.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2015 07:43 AM (iR/Sj)

116 Black lives don't matter at Dem convention.

http://bit.ly/1MeQ0Ma

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:49 AM (GpgJl)

I see that O'Malley had to apologize for saying that all lives matter. They must mean that Kate Steinle's life doesn't matter, the 4 Marines lives didn't matter, the lives of all of the aborted babies don't matter. We are in Bizzaro World

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2015 07:43 AM (DiZBp)

117
So, where are your trannie anchors, msnbc?????

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 20, 2015 07:44 AM (iQIUe)

118 I still don't get what people don't get in my supporting Trump at the moment. I'm not supporting the man so much as supporting his mouth, which is saying some very provocative -- and truthful -- things. I've always felt there was something fishy about the whole POW-MIA issue from Vietnam when our glorious government claimed we got them all back from a culture which prizes keeping prisoners for decades. Anyway, Juan McLame needed to be curb stomped. It just happened to be Trump because he's the only one willing to take on the sacred cows of either party, be they people or policy. I honestly don't see what's the problem with that. At least one person not beholden to a gub'mint job is saying what I think -- and about bloody time, too. Just look at how much heat Trump gets here. When you're taking flak from both parties and the media, you must be saying/doing something right. Right, that is, to real Americans tired of the political fake collegiality gamesmanship we see every single damn day.

Posted by: RickZ at July 20, 2015 07:44 AM (HEtQ3)

119 Not as bad as the Bergdahl prisoner swap deal, but close. Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2015 07:42 AM

Worse, IMO.

Bergdahl being cut loose won't subject the State of Israel to nuclear attack or endanger millions of Americans, as the acquiescence to ChoomDoom likely will.

Either one is enough to support a Constitutionally defined charge of treason. Put both together and and some of the lesser stuff -- Cuba and the Keep an Eye on the Man databases, for example -- and there's enough to justify major prison time.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 07:47 AM (rCmeG)

120 good morning.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 20, 2015 07:48 AM (0O7c5)

121 I see the usual GOP pukes have taken to attacking Trump instead of attacking the Dems and the President.

This administration is outright killing veterans and McCain, Graham and the other "super veterans" haven't said dick about it.

Remember in 2008 when the SCOAMF was running against the "war hero" he made a big deal about the conditions of the VA and threw it in that corrupt weasel from Arizonas face.

Now the SCOAMF is outright killing veterans and the "war hero" is attacking Trump and the "crazies" ie the base instead the administration.

Screw that weasel from Arizona and those attacking the only candidate proving he's worth a damn and actually wants to win.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 20, 2015 07:49 AM (97FRK)

122 I see that O'Malley had to apologize for saying that all lives matter. They must mean that Kate Steinle's life doesn't matter, the 4 Marines lives didn't matter, the lives of all of the aborted babies don't matter.

If my life doesn't matter, no one's life does. Sorry bitchez, that's the way I see it.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 07:50 AM (ATv6t)

123 This blog points out that Gawker was one of the primary anti-Gamergate voices. It looks like destroying Gawker would be a good hit to reigning in SJW fascism on the Net:

http://tinyurl.com/osj28vh

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 07:51 AM (oVJmc)

124 I don't plan on voting at all. Why waste my time standing in line to vote for a RINO I don't like.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 07:38 AM (GpgJl)

*****

In NKorea, citizens vote. Only one candidate, but they vote.

Here, one party with two labels. We pick which to vote for.

No substantial difference between the two.

Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 07:52 AM (bGLSw)

125 98 76>> JJ, did you read the article Vic linked at July 20, 2015 06:47 AM, or was there another article?

I didn't see anything in the article Vic linked, other than a couple of grandiose promises and statements of fact regarding McShitty that I would consider an 'attack' on someone for being a POW.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2015 07:36 AM (iR/Sj)

Will check it and then probably have to apologize for shooting my mouth off prematurely.

I do that too often.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 07:52 AM (St6BJ)

126 McCain is one of the prime reasons the GOP is in the state its in.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 07:53 AM (oVJmc)

127 101 I will vote for any Republican except Jeb Bush over Hillary.
==========================

I used to think this way, but no longer. To my mind these days Jeb is just one of many of the herd. The few distinguishing themselves from the crowd, like Cruz or even (to my mind) Walker or (to humor Y-Not) Perry, I would support. The rest I simply won't vote for.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 07:54 AM (DkJ4E)

128 Trump is neither the problem nor the solution. He's a symptom.

We're boned.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 20, 2015 07:55 AM (rwI+c)

129 "Faithful service"-An "Our Daily Bread"
devotional

http://odb.org

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2015 07:55 AM (OSs/l)

130 The problem I think some of the pro-abortion crowd is having with that whole mess is that if they are harvesting "human" organs then the fetus is in fact a human, not just a clump of cells as they have been led to believe. They are having internal logic meltdowns over trying to square that peg and for some it isn't working.
They're also selling the organs and tissue for a profit and not just donating it.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2015 07:56 AM (kivUY)

131 101 I will vote for any Republican except Jeb Bush over Hillary.

Jeb Bush is an affront to every thing this country was founded on and the Republican Party needs to die and be reborn.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 20, 2015 07:36 AM (97FRK)

Does that include Krispy? Kasich? Pataki?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 07:56 AM (St6BJ)

132 Sharyl Attkisson fact checks the WaPo piece on Trump, and concludes that WaPo badly misrepresented Trump's words and left out the background feuding that has been going between him and McCain:

http://tinyurl.com/pp2jlv6

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2015 07:57 AM (JE3jT)

133 They are having internal logic meltdowns over trying to square that peg and for some it isn't working.
Posted by: The Great White Sctosman at July 20, 2015 07:29 AM (iONHu)

That's a good point. Although I think it is less the true believers of PP and more them worried about the marginal supporters of PP who suddenly realize what is really happening.

Posted by: WOPR at July 20, 2015 07:57 AM (nRvEn)

134 124 In NKorea, citizens vote. Only one candidate, but they vote.

Here, one party with two labels. We pick which to vote for.

No substantial difference between the two.
Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 07:52 AM (bGLSw)

Soon we will all have the tree bark and dirt omelette. Minus the omelette.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 07:57 AM (St6BJ)

135 @118-RickZ,
The people here that are rubbing Trump's nose in the McCain's not a hero sound bite are supporting one of the other Republican's that's running. They don't really care about McCain either, they care about Trump. They will jump on him at any opportunity. Just expect that until his poll numbers drop or he drops out of the race. They are trying to sway undecided minds their way. Who are they supporting? I don't know but Walker is number two in the polls.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at July 20, 2015 07:59 AM (I0sxh)

136 Israel and the gulf countries will not receive any offensive weaponry. Aid will consist of military exercises, regional troop presence of some 40,000 troops and arms stockpiles. So how does that containment thing, that wasn't going to happen, work?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2015 07:59 AM (RAv9e)

137 @130

It is illeagal to buy a live baby, you will do a minimum of 10 years in federal prison but apparently you can buy baby parts by the pound in this country.

Sick country.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 20, 2015 07:59 AM (97FRK)

138 Whether we like it or not, we are already living with almost pure socialism - for around half of the country anyway. The rest of the country pays the bills for that half. That and debt. Reality tells all of us that the half living under the comforter of socialism is not going to EVER vote for anything remotely resembling conservatism. I think that's why the Republicans have given up even trying to appeal to conservatives. They represent a minor demographic anymore - and shrinking.

Socialism, central planning, rampant corruption, propaganda, with a sprinkle of tightly regulated capitalism... We are evolving into China, without the education and growth potential. Everything you would want in a fundamentally changed super power.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 20, 2015 08:00 AM (BZAd3)

139 Will check it and then probably have to apologize for shooting my mouth off prematurely.
I do that too often.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 07:52 AM

Whoa up there, Buckaroo.

I haven't seen you say anything that was dishonest or dissembling. You have an opinion, you stated it.

I think the Trump "scandal" is way the hell overblown -- but then, I admire Patton, even though he made innumerable statements that would have had The Corpulent Captain making weewee in his panties if said today -- and will always extend the benefit of the doubt to someone who I believe is telling the truth, even if inartfully.

There's not a single candidate who hasn't dropped a dung-bomb at some point. Most, being inherently dishonest, deserve no slack being cut. Trump is Doing the Job No American Candidate Will Do.

Doesn't mean he's above criticism.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 08:00 AM (rCmeG)

140 I'm back from a week's vacation, not paying attention to any news or anything. It was nice, but then the fascists weren't taking a week off. So what'd I miss? Looks like Trump is pissing off all the right people again.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 20, 2015 08:00 AM (eytER)

141 @131

Krispy, kasich and pataki have 0 chance of being the nominee but I would vote for them over Hillary.

If Jeb is the nominee this country is over and I will simply not vote for him and will write I'm SMOD or LIB.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 20, 2015 08:02 AM (97FRK)

142 Math on the AoS morning thread? Inconceivable!

http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2014/09/27

Calvin could still outsmart TFG.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2015 08:02 AM (JE3jT)

143 Go Joedan Speith

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:03 AM (zOTsN)

144 139 Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 08:00 AM (rCmeG)

So, okay, I read Sharyl Atkisson's article (nice jib and newsletter!).

Trump's REAL quote, or Atkisson's explanation of the WaPo misquote, is confusing.

All things considered given what the MFM is, I will cut Trump slack this time.

McStains still is a piece of shit vis a vis his political career.

Sefton is back on the Trump bandwagon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:03 AM (St6BJ)

145 Link in my sock about Trump's populism hitting the right note. (Hat-tip to Small Dead Animals):

It is always remarkable to witness experts not understanding the field in which they are experts; even more remarkable, they still do not recognize the frustration of the masses, despite the unsettling wave elections of 2006, 2008, 2010 and 2014 that vividly affirmed populist movements against both political parties' establishments.

Americans are just tired of it all. Tired of no one speaking honestly to them, tired of being told they cannot speak honestly.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2015 08:03 AM (kivUY)

146 http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2014/09/27

This too is the story of Obama.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 20, 2015 08:03 AM (rwI+c)

147 Whether we like it or not, we are already living with almost pure socialism - for around half of the country anyway. The rest of the country pays the bills for that half. That and debt. Reality tells all of us that the half living under the comforter of socialism is not going to EVER vote for anything remotely resembling conservatism. I think that's why the Republicans have given up even trying to appeal to conservatives. They represent a minor demographic anymore - and shrinking.

Socialism, central planning, rampant corruption, propaganda, with a sprinkle of tightly regulated capitalism... We are evolving into China, without the education and growth potential. Everything you would want in a fundamentally changed super power.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 20, 2015 08:00 AM (BZAd3)

* * *

Thread winner right there.

Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 08:04 AM (bGLSw)

148 "So what'd I miss?"

Preznit Stalino is laying the groundwork for a huge reparations movement after he leaves office.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 08:04 AM (YFw5T)

149 Oops Jordan

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:04 AM (zOTsN)

150 and left out the background feuding that has been going between him and McCain
McCain called all of you here "wacko birds" and then Trump's supporters "crazies". I think I see a pattern.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2015 08:05 AM (kivUY)

151 "Preznit Stalino is laying the groundwork for a huge reparations movement after he leaves office."

But that's OK, because Republicans in congress will nip it. Nip it in the bud. Yeah.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 08:06 AM (YFw5T)

152 ".So your OK with Hillary then?"

Difference between shillary and the guy that gave her an award for some made up reason?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell

Jeb will continue the NSA unconstitutional activities. He'll do nothing about Dodd-Frank or the Consumer Protection Agency's collection of all American's credit card and financial information. He will probably create an entire new Federal agency to oversee Obamacare so it will "work better". He will continue the insane secret trade pact that the elite class is creating with China and the Pacific Rim. He will do absolutely nothing to hold the current IRS, EPA or DoJ criminals to account.
What will Hillary! do differently?

Posted by: Daybrother at July 20, 2015 08:06 AM (EfjTQ)

153 147 Thread winner right there.
Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 08:04 AM (bGLSw)

If we could only eliminate that half of the country, then we'd have something!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:07 AM (St6BJ)

154 Wow, who knew? Kevin Williamson is anti-abortion in a big way. Todays Planned Parenthood piece is pretty raw.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 08:07 AM (DkJ4E)

155 mccain is a reason people have left the party.

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 20, 2015 08:08 AM (0O7c5)

156 I think a lot of the attacks on Trump ( from both parties) is because enough people from both parties realize he is saying what no body else is. He will get votes from both parties, therefore, he is a danger. And he does not back down. He will fight back during the debates. That scares them a lot.

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 20, 2015 08:08 AM (zW5rQ)

157 IIRC the first people to question McCain's status as a POW were his fellow POWs. I think they considered him a collaborator with the North Vietnamese. His reputation - like Kerry's - has been 'improved' by the media over his years ~~of being a Democrat~~public service.

Posted by: An Observation at July 20, 2015 08:08 AM (PL9bv)

158 Looks like depression and Islam don't mix:

http://tinyurl.com/ntmbxa2

Which means muzzies to whom 'radical Islam' (fundamental Islam) is likely to appeal is probably closer to a minimum of 25% instead of the other estimates of 10%. This means their potential radicalized force could number around 3-400 million.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 20, 2015 08:09 AM (BZAd3)

159 Sefton is back on the Trump bandwagon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:03 AM

Not to put words in your keyboard, but I'm sure you're hoping someone will come along to combine Trump's candor with a personality that's a little less 50-grit irritating and a resume that shows a little more expertise in running an actual country.

I know I sure the hell am. Thinking of Trump being the best candidate at the moment does not exactly fill me with joy.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 08:09 AM (rCmeG)

160 So, okay, I read Sharyl Atkisson's article (nice jib and newsletter!).

Trump's REAL quote, or Atkisson's explanation of the WaPo misquote, is confusing.

All things considered given what the MFM is, I will cut Trump slack this time.

McStains still is a piece of shit vis a vis his political career.

Sefton is back on the Trump bandwagon.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:03 AM (St6BJ)

Being blissfully unaware of any words coming out of anyone's mouths here, I will note the purpose of Trump right now, believe it or not, is not the things he is saying.

His purpose is the EFFECT the things he is saying on the people it is affecting, which of course is not the same thing.

All I can say right now is, if you are parsing the Donald's words (as opposed to pretty much anyone else's) these days, consider yourself to be the target of what he's doing. Some of us consider that a good thing. A VERY good thing.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2015 08:10 AM (Dj0WE)

161 Trump won't get the nomination but he is screwing up the preferred narrative. He is forcing them to the right

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:10 AM (zOTsN)

162 If we could only eliminate that half of the country, then we'd have something!

When it burns, we will.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 08:11 AM (ATv6t)

163 I've watched the whole clip of Trump's comments about McCain, and the biggest problem I have with Trump's statement is when he said, "He's a war hero because he was captured. I prefer people that weren't captured." That sounds to me like a slur against POWs, as if they have some character failing for having been captured. You can explain away his comments about McCain by providing background about the McCain-Trump feud, but his slur against POWs is bad. And it highlights his biggest failing, that he speaks before he thinks.

Posted by: biancaneve at July 20, 2015 08:11 AM (kBiy2)

164 Creepy Folger's ad. You can sleep when you're dead!

http://tinyurl.com/q8l43kf

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 20, 2015 08:11 AM (S0Cig)

165 he is saying what no body else is.

Yep, no one else is saying, "I like people who weren't captured, okay."

Posted by: no good deed at July 20, 2015 08:12 AM (GgxVX)

166 Good morning

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at July 20, 2015 08:12 AM (3ZtZW)

167 Just watched the video of Bernie Sanders speaking at the Nut Roots convention. Insanity on so many levels, from the gay, illegal moderator liberal liberal hero Vargas trying to act like an adult, Sanders and his open calls for class warfare and denial of economic reality and he disruptive antics of Black Lives matters but who, instead of being shown the door, had to be treated with complete respect. They are all completely oblivious that they have had one of their own in the White House for the last 7 years, yet everything is even worse that ever. Incredibly, Sanders laid the blame right where it belongs: conservatives with their evil Fox news and talk radio. Just absolute insanity watching that and depressing knowing this mindset is taking over this country.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 20, 2015 08:12 AM (1BQGO)

168 And it's really not that hard to say that McCain is both a war hero and a terrible politician. Because he is.

Posted by: biancaneve at July 20, 2015 08:12 AM (kBiy2)

169 Nip it. Nip it good.

Posted by: Devo at July 20, 2015 08:13 AM (kivUY)

170 McCain was never considered a collaborator. That just isn't true.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:13 AM (zOTsN)

171 Not to put words in your keyboard, but I'm sure you're hoping someone will come along to combine Trump's candor with a personality that's a little less 50-grit irritating and a resume that shows a little more expertise in running an actual country.

That's what we are all hoping for.
Unfortunately, Donald is like the running back streaking down the sideline, looking to lateral the ball, and no one is there to take it.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 08:14 AM (ATv6t)

172 What will Hillary! do differently?
Posted by: Daybrother at July 20, 2015 08:06 AM (EfjTQ)

Serious answer: Have complete disdain for American service men and women in harm's way.

But other than that...

Posted by: BurtTC at July 20, 2015 08:14 AM (Dj0WE)

173 Jebbie is out today with another strong statement of condemnation over TFG's abandonment of fifty years of American foreign policy in the ME, saying "This shall not stand!".

Just kidding. Jebster said he'd hire a bunch of leading lights on foreign policy and look the whole thing. Take about a year or so after election. Then, he'd "maturely" decide what to do.

That sort of timeline would allow for plenty of time for all the money to show up on various sides of whatever issue is burning uppermost, and also permit Republicans to grab big fat donations before determining which way to flip, or flop.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 08:15 AM (DkJ4E)

174 Thinking of Trump being the best candidate at the moment does not exactly fill me with joy."

Is there an election going on?

Let the entertainment run for now. It's about time we get some campaigning - as opposed to generic babble.

Oh, and put me on the Trump > McAmnesty side.
Unlike the last PM ONT, I actually read Trump's comments.

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 20, 2015 08:15 AM (C9pBZ)

175 >>> John McCain has done zip for veterens.

Nor for POWs, surprisingly.

He stripped out the teeth for a bill concerned with finding and repatriating POWs still held in VN and Laos.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at July 20, 2015 08:16 AM (3ZtZW)

176 McCain was never considered a collaborator"

Outside of the KosKids, who has?

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 20, 2015 08:17 AM (C9pBZ)

177 "John McCain was an incompetent pilot, he's a corrupt Senator and he is fully onboard with the invasion of this country."

Bingo.

Juan McCain sould have been run out of the service for wrecking FOUR jets but for the fact daddy was an Admiral. Hell he flew under power lines goofing around in Europe clipping them with his rudder, wrecking the plane and plunging 1000's into darkness. That alone should have got his ass tossed.

He has been playing the POW/hero card for over 40 years now for all its worth.

Sorry "my friend" its done worn out at this point. And if you actually took the time to read Trump's complete quote he said nothing wrong. You fell for the abbreviated version from the lame-stream media hook, line and sinker.

Posted by: gdonovan at July 20, 2015 08:17 AM (2Ee1I)

178 Donald, just confide to an enemy of the United States that you'll have more flexibility after the election. That should patch things up with the media.

Posted by: Barack O'Douche at July 20, 2015 08:18 AM (FcR7P)

179 I think that Choomnot ordering the flags to be half mast and the MSM trying desparetly to convince the public that Islam had nothing to do with the shootings will open people's eyes to the newspeak that is going on. The article in my nic shows that we must fight back against their onslaught of attacks.

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 20, 2015 08:18 AM (zW5rQ)

180 Just think of the money Trump could save the country in greens fees alone.

Meanwhile, Little Barry is trying to bankrupt America one double bogey at at time.

Posted by: Fritz at July 20, 2015 08:19 AM (UzPAd)

181 I hope none of the morons/ettes is an Ashley Madison client. Their database has been hacked for all their client information and they are being blackmailed (extorted?) to close shop. Link in my sock.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2015 08:19 AM (kivUY)

182 @152

You left out "comprehensive immigration reform"

He will pick up and succeed where his dumbfuck brother failed which is to swamp this country with illiterate peasents from third world shitholes of Mexico and S America and couple that with exploding the h1b visa system for his corporate pay masters.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 20, 2015 08:20 AM (97FRK)

183 Enough with that dried up old turd McCain. He needs to retire already. How long has he been a Senator? 30 Years plus? Go away already and leave us alone. Just because he is a war hero does not make him sacrosanct. Fuck him and he should have went to prison with the Keating Five.

Posted by: Hillary with a Wang! at July 20, 2015 08:20 AM (D0NZx)

184 Trump is more of a carny sideshow than he was before his ill-thought out attack on McVain.

Besides, the guy is no more right as Hillary and Jeb might be.

The only thing I like about him is that he is not afraid to go after any of the smug bastards, by any means possible (to paraphrase Malcolm X).

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 08:20 AM (DkJ4E)

185 I am no fan of Mc Cain's politics. Or his sneers. But he was no collaborator.

McCain was offered release once they figured out who his father was and he refused. He almost died. He is permanently crippled

You can say he wasn't a great pilot or a great officer before his capture but you cannot say he was a collaborator. And you cannot say he was not heroic in captivity.

Frankly it's a pretty dishonorable argument to make

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:22 AM (zOTsN)

186 double bogey at at time."

Nah, he's in Lil'Kim scoring territory - routinely under par at Andrews AFB golf course, don'tchaknow.

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 20, 2015 08:22 AM (C9pBZ)

187 J.J. Sefton: I only added mugwump to the M List because someone here was hocking-a-chainik over my head to add it.

Ahem... I'm right hee-rre. From hocking-a-chainik I don't know, but I think I'm the one who suggested mugwump.

I'd reiterate the definition, but what am I, Google?

Morning, Glories!

At my mom's house and just had breakfast after an early-morning swim, and the coffee's brewing. I've had worse moments.

Posted by: the bees at July 20, 2015 08:22 AM (pDkCk)

188 37 5 year old shows up in uniform to honor Chattanooga vets.

http://bit.ly/1MfkKMX

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 06:48 AM (GpgJl)

A few years ago, I took my then 5 yr old son to see a restored WWII Liberty ship that had come to a local town. It had been restored by a group of LS vets who also manned the ship for the public tours. While we were waiting, I showed my son the correct procedure for boarding a Naval vessel. He walked up to the old vet on the quarterdeck, snapped a sharp salute and requested permission to come aboard. The old vet actually had a tear run down his check as returned my boy's salute and granted him permission to board. I did the same thing and the old vet was just tickled. He asked about my son and told me that was the cutest and most respectful thing he had seen in quite a while. I smiled back, thanking him for his service and his group's effort in restoring the ship.

I was never prouder of that boy, and I was immensely gratified to put a smile on that old vet's face. He deserved so much more but I was glad I could at least do that.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 20, 2015 08:22 AM (nqiq9)

189 Familia de la Eromero is on the road to NOLA this morning. Be back end of week. Please ask for GOD'S travel mercies for us and those we meet.

Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2015 08:23 AM (go5uR)

190 9. JJ, I read a good article at Slate the other day concerning the GMO argument, it was fair and balanced.

Posted by: sawhorse at July 20, 2015 08:23 AM (jm3+c)

191 I think that Choomnot ordering the flags to be half
mast and the MSM trying desparetly to convince the public that Islam had
nothing to do with the shootings will open people's eyes to the
newspeak that is going on.

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 20, 2015 08:18 AM

What an optimist you are!

It would be nice to believe this, but in the face of seven years of treason that has slipped right by the general public, Congress, and even the sainted True Conservative Media, I think not.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 08:23 AM (rCmeG)

192 Serious answer: Have complete disdain for American service men and women in harm's way.

But other than that...
Posted by: BurtTC

That is a valid point and to be serious right back I honestly think if Hillary ever actually gained the WH she would actually grow frankly insane. There are stories of other Presidents losing their minds once they find themselves in the Oval Office surrounded by only power and butt kissers.
On substantial policy matters though I don't see any difference between Jeb and Hill. Hillary! admires China's political structure more perhaps.

Posted by: Daybrother at July 20, 2015 08:23 AM (EfjTQ)

193 read Trump's complete quote he said nothing wrong.

I watched the full video. So, I saw and heard the whole thing. It's just as bad as everyone is saying. I can separate veteran McCain from politician McCain. Trump could have gone after McCain for calling his constituents "crazy" and "wackobirds" making it about McCain, but no, he went after his military service and insulted thousands of vets for no good reason. Just what I want in a Commander-in-Chief. No thank you.

Posted by: no good deed at July 20, 2015 08:24 AM (GgxVX)

194 Worrying about Trump making the GOP look bad is like worrying about the blue fly making the shit wagon look bad.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at July 20, 2015 08:24 AM (tEDMc)

195 190 9. JJ, I read a good article at Slate the other day concerning the GMO argument, it was fair and balanced.
Posted by: sawhorse at July 20, 2015 08:23 AM (jm3+c)

I like them because I get paid the next two weeks. But point taken. Actually Slate I guess is not so bad, compared to Salon; I always confuse the two.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:24 AM (St6BJ)

196 MSM trying desparetly to convince the public that Islam had nothing to do with the shootings "

Well, according to the AM news, the FBI is still "studying possible motives".

A mystery wrapped inside an enigma, this is.

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 20, 2015 08:25 AM (C9pBZ)

197 Creepy Folger's ad. You can sleep when you're dead!

The Gaying of America continues.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 08:26 AM (oVJmc)

198 HOLY SHIT!

The black pro-CBF supporter was just murdered and another injured in a car "accident"!

[sock link]

Posted by: andycanuck at July 20, 2015 08:26 AM (kivUY)

199
L'Affaire Trump/McStain will blow over with the next news cycle.

Sadly, someone else being butchered by an illegal or a Muzzie should "trump" this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:26 AM (St6BJ)

200 If we could only eliminate that half of the country, then we'd have something!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:07 AM (St6BJ)

* * *I take it you're poking fun but I don't care. To save what's left of the nation as founded, that's exactly what it would take. But it won't happen. The majority has been carefully, systematically brainwashed - primarily in the area of morals. That is what has led to the
political corruption, intellectual degradation, increasing social crudity and everything else we lament - not the other way
around.
Everything that made this nation great has been forced to go backwards on purpose. The result is as intended as it was predictable. Anyone who seems surprised by that has either never paid attention (and so is part of the problem) or is lying (and is still part of the problem).
The only thing that could possibly redeem what's left would be a catastrophic, fundamental split and "adios" that forever draws a clear line that all would have to choose, one side or the other. But that is not going to happen. Hence my chosen handle.

Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 08:26 AM (bGLSw)

201 I always confuse the two.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:24 AM (St6BJ)

Me too. Actually, Salon was who I thought of when I read your comments. Maybe you can inject some "Reason" into Slate?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 20, 2015 08:26 AM (nqiq9)

202
Well, according to the AM news, the FBI is still "studying possible motives".

Yet, they told us WHITE RACIST before anyone knew who Dylann Roof was.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 08:27 AM (oVJmc)

203 Are the flags being flown at half mast for the military members killed in TN?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2015 08:27 AM (OSs/l)

204 Morning all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2015 08:27 AM (+b+iY)

205 Pew Research Center says at least 2.5 million illegals have entered the country since Obama took office. (Since it is Pew it is probably much higher but lets take that as a baseline. ) Wouldn't that mean that phony 11 million undocumented American's might have moved up just a bit? That BS statistic was trotted out around 2007. Before that it was reported as an estimate, usually 12-15 million, or sometimes 15-20 million, both more honest assessments of the true number and certainty, But now we are to believe that 11 million are here and not changed in 8 years even when it is reported that millions more have arrived?

The Soviet communists didn't have such a loyal, subservient press as the Democrats do in this country.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 20, 2015 08:27 AM (1BQGO)

206 Are the flags being flown at half mast for the military members killed in TN?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 20, 2015 08:27 AM (OSs/l)

Not at the White House and not at the Pentagon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2015 08:27 AM (+b+iY)

207 Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at July 20, 2015 08:24 AM (tEDMc)
==========================

This I can agree with!

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 08:28 AM (DkJ4E)

208 5 year old shows up in uniform to honor Chattanooga vets.

****

I may take some heat for this.

I have to say I have mixed feelings about this. There's not much info at the link, but first of all 5-year-olds don't just "show up", somebody takes them. Is he just a prop for an adult's agenda? Apparently this boy's father is a Marine on deployment and the boy wears a Marine replica uniform. I'm not sure the average 5-year-old can properly process the dynamics of the Chattanooga shooting. I can envision some confusion about his deployed father. I don't mean to be hypercritical, but it just doesn't feel right to me.

Honoring the dead, yes. Honoring the Marines, yes. Honoring his dad, yes. But putting the onus of being the survivor in a Marine uniform onto the boy at his age? Not so sure...

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 20, 2015 08:29 AM (NeFrd)

209 >>> I am no fan of Mc Cain's politics. Or his sneers. But he was no collaborator.

Except for the taped confessions they played over the camp's PA system and McCain fretted his father heard about.

But honestly, if he were, his father would've buried it - so how do you know? I know all of his rah rah hero crap comes out of his political boosters.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at July 20, 2015 08:29 AM (3ZtZW)

210 But point taken. Actually Slate I guess is not so bad, compared to Salon; I always confuse the two.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:24 AM

Is horseshit worse than cowshit?

As one who once actually had a byline appear in Salon -- you can bet I kept that the hell off my resume -- I have less than no regard for the SJWs who populate the place.

I would have known better had a I actually read it before sending a query. I never tried Slate....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2015 08:29 AM (rCmeG)

211
The black pro-CBF supporter was just murdered and another injured in a car "accident"!

Oy.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 08:30 AM (oVJmc)

212 >>> John McCain has done zip for veterens.

Nor for POWs, surprisingly.

He stripped out the teeth for a bill concerned with finding and repatriating POWs still held in VN and Laos.
Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers

When John Kerry (who was in Vietnam) and McCain were on the commission to account for the MIAs left In-Country they were asked, as they wrapped up their findings that no one was left behind, to release their reports of sightings and witnesses of servicemen still being held. They agreed together to classify all findings instead. Nothing to see, move along.

Posted by: Daybrother at July 20, 2015 08:31 AM (EfjTQ)

213 Honoring the dead, yes. Honoring the Marines, yes.
Honoring his dad, yes. But putting the onus of being the survivor in a
Marine uniform onto the boy at his age? Not so sure...

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 20, 2015 08:29 AM (NeFrd)

I would say that his mom brought him. And I am OK with that.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 08:31 AM (GpgJl)

214 Not only has it been revealed that some of the very same American negotiators that sealed then-US President Bill Clinton's failed nuclear deal with North Korea in 1994 worked on President Barack Obama's similar deal with Iran signed last Tuesday - now it appears Obama even got the same speech writers.

The Washington Free Beacon on Monday released a compilation of public statements made by both presidents defending their respective deals, with an uncanny similarity noticeable between the two that would seem to bode ill for the Iran deal, given that Clinton's failed deal led North Korea to conduct its first nuclear test in 2006.

But of course. I was saying that all last week

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2015 08:32 AM (+b+iY)

215 Muldoon I agree. It creeped me out.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:32 AM (zOTsN)

216 just saw the news. they are saying he was depressed and suicidal. hey, i live in hixson, tn. if you are living in Colonial Shores, you ain't hurting for money. Now they say they sent him to the "homeland" to try to snap him out of it. "he struggled to be a devout muslim as much as he struggled with drugs, alcohol, and depression."

Appears he won his struggle. Devout to the end!

Posted by: S738226 at July 20, 2015 08:32 AM (jTU9r)

217 In fact, that woman in the pic is most likely his mom.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 20, 2015 08:33 AM (GpgJl)

218 All the cable newsies want to talk about is Trump.

We have a terrorist attack on the homeland, ISIS running wild all over the Middle East and beyond, Obama giving nukes to Iran, Obama forcing section 8 housing on everyone (The Detroit-ification of America) and all they want to talk about is Trump, Trump, Trump.

America is not a serious nation anymore.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 20, 2015 08:34 AM (7ObY1)

219 Bigby they ALL broke. ALL of them

In fact after Vietnam the DoD changed The Code of Conduct because so many of them were suicidal upon return for having broken

That is another dishonorable argument

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:34 AM (zOTsN)

220
Xaviera Hollander. OMG. The Happy Hooker, right? We found somebody's porn stash in an abandoned lot when I was a kid and a water-logged, molded copy of that book was part of it. I say porn stash but it was one or two books and a bunch of True Confessions with articles like, "I Peep at My Stepsister in the Shower." We left the stuff where we found it and would check on it every once in awhile when we came to monitor the progress of the decomposing cat skeleton nearby. (Hey, poor city kids in the 70s. Not much to do after the pop-bottle round up for candy money was over.) One day the magazines were gone but the books were still there. Which I always thought was odd.

Posted by: Gem at July 20, 2015 07:04 AM (c+gwp)

Ahhh yes. Forest porn. That takes me back.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2015 08:35 AM (VbHFl)

221 >>>I am no fan of Mc Cain's politics. Or his sneers. But he was no collaborator<<<

Johnny McMaverick has been collaborating with the Democrats for 30 years. It's time he and his boyfriend, Lindsey, retired to their gay bungalow in the countryside.

Posted by: Fritz at July 20, 2015 08:36 AM (UzPAd)

222 McCain was never considered a collaborator

From his Wikipedia page:

"Eventually McCain made an anti-American propaganda 'Confession'. He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later
wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his
breaking point. I had reached mine."

As I remember there was discussion of a court martial at the time as the POWs who refused to make propaganda statements were not happy with McCain's "Confession".

Posted by: An Observation at July 20, 2015 08:36 AM (PL9bv)

223 The black pro-CBF supporter was just murdered and another injured in a car "accident"!

Nope. Local news story...

Posted by: The MFM at July 20, 2015 08:37 AM (FcR7P)

224 Day brother some of those MIA went Bergdahl. And that's the truth. They may have thought they were sparing the families

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:37 AM (zOTsN)

225 "137 @130

It is illeagal to buy a live baby, you will do a minimum of 10 years in federal prison but apparently you can buy baby parts by the pound in this country.

Sick country."

That needs to be a bumper sticker!!

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 08:38 AM (oo88B)

226 An Observation they ALL made "confessions". ALL of them.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:39 AM (zOTsN)

227 226 An Observation they ALL made "confessions". ALL of them.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:39 AM (zOTsN)

I can't see how

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 20, 2015 08:40 AM (nqiq9)

228 So I spent early Saturday morning up at the local range,.

It seemed to be take your Son/Daughter/Girlfriend to the range for basic introduction to firearms day.

Almost every individual at the sign in area was a member of a group of two or more, reading and reviewing the range rules for first time shooters.

Not complaining, just commenting that it seems that a whole lot of people seem to be taking a first time interest in shooting.

I wonder what's up with that?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 20, 2015 08:42 AM (VPLuQ)

229 I'm just idly wondering how much that we "know" about McCain's service comes from McCain himself?

I don't like the guy, which colors my question, but let's be honest...McCain has never shied away from using his time in the military to create some absolute moral authority for himself.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 20, 2015 08:42 AM (PFy0L)

230 General Stockdale read a forced confession

Man. Lots of internet tough guys today

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:43 AM (zOTsN)

231

Alex Rocco, best known as the Bugsy Siegel-esque Moe Greene from "The Godfather" has passed away at age 79.

RIP

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:43 AM (St6BJ)

232 227 Sorry....typing Turrets again.

I don't pay any attention to McCain's POW status. He was held in an awful place, and those fukcers know how to administer serious pain.

He is a rotten person, an awful senator, and a doddering old fool. THAT is what he should be criticized for....leave his service record alone.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 20, 2015 08:43 AM (nqiq9)

233 Walker is the only Conservative in this race who has actually walked the walk, not just talked. ... And sorry for the inadvertent pun, but it works.

Posted by: Wind Breaker at July 20, 2015 08:44 AM (/pOl7)

234 229 I'm just idly wondering how much that we "know" about McCain's service comes from McCain himself?

I don't like the guy, which colors my question, but let's be honest...McCain has never shied away from using his time in the military to create some absolute moral authority for himself.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 20, 2015 08:42 AM (PFy0L)

So, it's like the race card?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:44 AM (St6BJ)

235 >>It seemed to be take your Son/Daughter/Girlfriend to the range for basic introduction to firearms day.

Reminds me of the last time I visited my son in West Virginia. We went out to the range, and it was really busy the same way, and there were lots of AR's around.

I almost LOL'd when I realized I was in an urban liberal's worst nightmare, surrounded by West Virginia "hillbillies" armed with "assault rifles."

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 08:45 AM (O7MnT)

236 There have been many in depth studies of POWs and their conduct over the decades. McCains conduct during that period is extremely well documented and corroborated by his fellow prisoners

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:45 AM (zOTsN)

237 mccain was contacted by the phx va whistle blower .....mccain had no interest in helping ......NO INTEREST.....blew the whistle blower off...the champion of the vets......is no champion of the vets.....he's a piece of shit.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 20, 2015 08:45 AM (0O7c5)

238 Walker is the only Conservative in this race who has actually walked the walk, not just talked

My first or second choice, depending on day of the week.

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 08:46 AM (O7MnT)

239 mccain will be on @kfyi at 9am az time this morning.... defending himself.....

kfyi.com

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 20, 2015 08:47 AM (0O7c5)

240 >>> Bigby they ALL broke. ALL of them

I know that. There are those who claim he did not, for whatever reason. And, seriously, why would anyone want someone who had been broken in such a way to be President? You can say honorable all day long but it doesn't change that the man is damaged beyond belief.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at July 20, 2015 08:47 AM (3ZtZW)

241 RIP Moe Greene.

An interesting little bit of trivia:

When Michael meets Moe Greene and the dirty cop in the restaurant and they speak in Italian, Moe Greene right off the bat uses the informal "tu" when speaking with Michael. Showing him no respect. This would be no accidental oversight to an Italian speaker, especially under those circumstances.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 20, 2015 08:48 AM (7ObY1)

242 28 Man drowns in Demi Moore's pool while she was away.

http://fxn.ws/1HJY4io

Posted by: Vic

Mickey Donovan did it.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 20, 2015 08:48 AM (kfcYC)

243 Benedict Arnold was a hero, too, after the Battle of Saratoga.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 08:48 AM (oVJmc)

244 See! I talk about the important stuff! Like a senile old fool's military service! The truly important issues others won't deal with!

Posted by: Teh Donald! at July 20, 2015 08:49 AM (jAouv)

245 So, it's like the race card?

I wouldn't go quite THAT far...

But here's what I don't care for...McCain says something stupid, someone else says "McCain, you said something stupid," then the drumbeat starts about how he suffered as a POW and to leave him alone.

And it's not like McCain has really put the kibosh on it.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 20, 2015 08:49 AM (PFy0L)

246 Just read the Ashley Madison hacking thing. It claims there are 37 million people using that site.

Can that be right? Seems like an awful lot of people. 10% of the population?

Posted by: jwest at July 20, 2015 08:49 AM (P/xrJ)

247 243 Benedict Arnold was a hero, too, after the Battle of Saratoga.

Just sayin'.

We probably wouldn't have won the war without Arnold.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 20, 2015 08:50 AM (7ObY1)

248 "When Michael meets Moe Greene and the dirty cop in the restaurant and
they speak in Italian, Moe Greene right off the bat uses the informal
"tu" when speaking with Michael. Showing him no respect. This would be
no accidental oversight to an Italian speaker, especially under those
circumstances."

I think that was Solozzo, not Moe Greene. He was in Vegas.

Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 08:50 AM (bGLSw)

249 Day brother some of those MIA went Bergdahl. And that's the truth. They may have thought they were sparing the families
Posted by: ThunderB

Yes some did. I met one who did, came back and did time. However you should read about the commission. It was a typical whitewash and McCain was right there in the thick of it. Kerry and McCain classified information solely so no one could criticize their commission or check their findings and it had little to do with protecting anyone but themselves and the trade relations on the burner with VN at the time. McCain was a screw up who was a decent brave guy who came back and became as corrupt as a Roman Senator.

Posted by: Daybrother at July 20, 2015 08:51 AM (EfjTQ)

250 241 RIP Moe Greene.

An interesting little bit of trivia:

When Michael meets Moe Greene and the dirty cop in the restaurant and they speak in Italian, Moe Greene right off the bat uses the informal "tu" when speaking with Michael. Showing him no respect. This would be no accidental oversight to an Italian speaker, especially under those circumstances.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 20, 2015 08:48 AM (7ObY1)

Um, that was Virgil Solozzo, played by Al Lettieri.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:51 AM (St6BJ)

251 46 Today starts the week that I pretend I am on my period...
____________________

At age 65, that requires pretending about more than just being a woman . . . .

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 20, 2015 08:51 AM (kGrdk)

252 @235 V the K

"..surrounded by West Virginia "hillbillies" armed with "assault rifles."

Thats what I like about going home o the range in my rural town. We don't converse much on the range, but when we see each other on the street you get a smile and a nod.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at July 20, 2015 08:52 AM (d0uMa)

253 Bigby I have not defended his actions as a politician. Or even prior to his captivity. I agree he is damaged.

But are you seriously arguing that you couldn't have a disabled vet as president becausehe is disabled? Doesn't it depend on the disability! Or you that you would never vote for a POW? Doesn't that depend on the guy? that is all kinds of bullshit

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 08:53 AM (zOTsN)

254
Actual Alex Rocco trivia:

When he gets shot in the eye, you can see him flinch in anticipation about a half-second before impact.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:53 AM (St6BJ)

255 60 So the point of the new database is to collect demographics to know how to distribute illegals and Muslims most efficiently.

Posted by: Doomed

They will also be able to prioritize the White People Round-Up efforts.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 20, 2015 08:53 AM (kfcYC)

256 I see all the bigs are playing up the McCain-Trump imbroglio.

John McCain is such an utter POS.

John McCain has done nothing, zero, zip, nada of worth in his miserable life.

He has done zip for Veterans, he's done nothing but damage this country and his party.

He needs to go.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 20, 2015 08:54 AM (97FRK)

257 164 Creepy Folger's ad. You can sleep when you're dead!

http://tinyurl.com/q8l43kf
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 20, 2015 08:11 AM (S0Cig)

If it's not a parody -- and that's my working theory -- then somebody at Folger's ad agency has been hitting the Peruvian marching powder pretty hard.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 20, 2015 08:54 AM (RD7QR)

258 Moe Green disrespected Michael by slapping his brother, Fredo, around in public for banging cocktail waitresses two at a time.

"No one could get a drink..."

Posted by: jwest at July 20, 2015 08:54 AM (P/xrJ)

259 mccain will be on kfyi.com at 9am az time defending himself....

mccain....called the 10,000 arizonans that went to see trump last week..."crazies" he hates his constituents......and we hate him ......he is a machine here.....part of the state and national gop party problem.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 20, 2015 08:54 AM (0O7c5)

260 Actual Alex Rocco trivia:

When he gets shot in the eye, you can see him flinch in anticipation about a half-second before impact.

* * *

Frame-crawl the DVD and you can see the BB or pellet they shot out of the arm of his prop glasses fly out of the lens.

Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 08:55 AM (bGLSw)

261 McCain is on the Today show defending himself and bringing all veterans into it. Again, I say read the piece in my nic. Who-on TV- defends Trump? This is a calculated attack by both parties against Trump.

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 20, 2015 08:55 AM (1gyVd)

262 Maybe the mafia should enter national politics. They have a much better record for honesty than the current Uniparty. When you pay for drugs, you get drugs. Pay for a whore, you get a whore.

In fact, they're in an entirely different universe than the Uniparty.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 08:55 AM (YFw5T)

263 198 HOLY SHIT!

The black pro-CBF supporter was just murdered and another injured in a car "accident"!

so sad

Posted by: Ruth at July 20, 2015 08:56 AM (oo88B)

264 Benedict Arnold was a hero, too, after the Battle of Saratoga.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 08:48 AM (oVJmc)

One of my favorite historical quotes involves Arnold. After his treachery at West Point, he returned with a British raiding party into rebel held territory. He supposedly asked a patriot, who did not know he was speaking with Arnold, what the Americans would do to General Arnold if they ever caught him. He was told they would cut off his left leg and bury it with full military honors, and then hang the rest.

One can acknowledge McCain's captivity and torture, but one should not overlook his treachery, either. I'm just wondering what part of McCain should be honored while the rest of him is hanged?

Posted by: RickZ at July 20, 2015 08:57 AM (HEtQ3)

265 Is AtC here?

It was on this day in 1936 that 17 year old Bob Feller made his MLB debut, pitching one inning in relief for the Cleveland Indians. He went on to spend his entire career with the Tribe, except for the four years he served with the US Navy. He enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor and, refusing to play baseball for the Navy, served his time on the battleship Alabama.

In his later years Rapid Robert was every year the July 4th parade marshall in Gates Mills, OH, the tiny town he lived in (and where I got to meet him many times as a kid) and a great fan of the Indians through thick and thin.

http://nydn.us/1OhmXpI

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 08:57 AM (DkJ4E)

266 mccain is a piece of shit.....he was notified well in advance by the phx va whistleblower.......SEVERAL TIMES...he would not do anything to help... he is a career politician....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 20, 2015 08:58 AM (0O7c5)

267 264 I'm just wondering what part of McCain should be honored while the rest of him is hanged?

Posted by: RickZ at July 20, 2015 08:57 AM (HEtQ3)

We can name a sammich after Meggy. Oh, wait a second.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:58 AM (St6BJ)

268 Again attack his policies and record all you want and twice on Sunday.

But enough with the "he was a collaborator" "he confessed" " he broke" stuff

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 09:00 AM (zOTsN)

269 His despicable politics you can attack all day long, but is anyone here actually claiming to judge McVain's time as a POW?

Mind. Blown.

Posted by: MTF at July 20, 2015 09:03 AM (DkJ4E)

270 We can name a sammich after Meggy. Oh, wait a second.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 08:58 AM (St6BJ)

Double stuffed taco.

Posted by: RickZ at July 20, 2015 09:04 AM (HEtQ3)

271 Uniparty.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 20, 2015 08:55 AM (YFw5T)

* * *
That's it right there.

I'd vote for Walker and Cruz, but they will never be allowed to get the nod for the exact reason they should get it.

Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 09:04 AM (bGLSw)

272 271 I'd vote for Walker and Cruz, but they will never be allowed to get the nod for the exact reason they should get it.
Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 09:04 AM (bGLSw)

". . . Give it to some Joo congressman from another district."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 09:06 AM (St6BJ)

273 163 I've watched the whole clip of Trump's comments about McCain, and the biggest problem I have with Trump's statement is when he said, "He's a war hero because he was captured. I prefer people that weren't captured." That sounds to me like a slur against POWs, as if they have some character failing for having been captured. You can explain away his comments about McCain by providing background about the McCain-Trump feud, but his slur against POWs is bad. And it highlights his biggest failing, that he speaks before he thinks.

Posted by: biancaneve

Sounds to me like Trump meant it takes more than being captured to be a hero which is true. McCain's actions before and during captivity are where the heroism is indicated. Is insulting a bunch of people as "crazies" who disagree with him something a hero does? Is he still a hero? All that being said, being a war hero is not relevant to the debate and Luntz shouldn't have brought it up as if it did.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 20, 2015 09:06 AM (kfcYC)

274 We know Trump has donated 100's of thousands of dollars to Grandma RICO in one form or another.
He's donated to Harry Reid, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Charlie Rangel, Ted Kennedy, Ed Rendell and Rahm Emanual.
We know he's an infanticide supporter.
We know he's a crony-capitalist.
Does anybody remember that Trump was also a visitor to Epstein's Pedophile Island?
Are the Clintons engineering Ross Perot v2.0?
Does anybody know how to keep this tinfoil boonie hat from slipping?

Posted by: Jack O'Spades at July 20, 2015 09:07 AM (xQZ/Y)

275 ". . . Give it to some Joo congressman from another district."

Congressman Sefton.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 09:08 AM (ATv6t)

276 I hate to walk into this buzzsaw, but given that Trump in the past donated generously to Hillary, took liberal positions on abortion and illegal immigration, and is a pretty huge fan of eminent domain... why do Trump supporters believe he is sincere when he takes opposing positions now?

Posted by: V the K at July 20, 2015 09:09 AM (O7MnT)

277 In a downward spiral, Abdulazeez would abuse sleeping pills, opioids,
painkillers and marijuana, along with alcohol, the representative said.

See, nothing to do with with being a muslin, for sure. Just ordinary American youth problems..../s

Posted by: Colin at July 20, 2015 09:09 AM (WQLtV)

278
Off to an actual office. Check in later.

Keep on keeping it IS-real.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2015 09:09 AM (St6BJ)

279 Everyone must have been up all night still trying to unravel the mystery of why innocent little Muhammad killed the Marines. Why there are just no clues as to what his motives were

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 20, 2015 07:38 AM (DiZBp

Dudes! It's like we're being trolled by the media. I've been thinking, and that's not really my strong suit, so bear with me, but I see they are using every excuse available to say this abdulaiziz abadabadoo guy isn't a terrorist. It's like they are mocking the reasons people gave about DillonRoof, drugs, depression, anything but the mans words and actions.
The public is being trolled by the MSM, what a world.

Posted by: Stoner what had an epiphany at July 20, 2015 09:11 AM (XmOA9)

280 why do Trump supporters believe he is sincere when he takes opposing positions now?

I don't know that they do.

But they also don't think that the mainstream candidates are any more honest (a la Boner, McConnell).

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 20, 2015 09:11 AM (oVJmc)

281 You have to ignore a whole lifetime of Trumps previous positions and hang on to what he has been saying the last six weeks. Slim. Reed.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 09:12 AM (zOTsN)

282 "Are the Clintons engineering Ross Perot v2.0?"

A thought that never leaves my head when I hear news about Trump.

He's dropping resonance bombs that are very easy to drop at this time, if only because no one else will say them. But does he really believe any of it? Do his bombs reflect what he really thinks? Based on his track record, I doubt it and see no reason to trust him any more than I trusted Romney's alleged late-term conversion to conservatism. Republicans have made me terminally mistrustful of Republicans.

Posted by: Doomed at July 20, 2015 09:13 AM (bGLSw)

283 POW behavior:

[One POW selected to meet a delegation] was so emaciated that he looked like one of the Dachau inmates. Though over six feet, he weighed about a hundred pounds. He could hardly maintain his balance. He was followed... by two other who looked the same way...In order to prevent the Vitnamese from using them for propaganda, [one] had starved himself until he was so weak that he could not write and was too emaciated to appear befare a delegation... When the final POW tallies were made in 1973 these three were listed as having 'died in captivity.'"

So no, not everyone made 'confessions'.

Posted by: An Observation at July 20, 2015 09:14 AM (PL9bv)

284 But are you seriously arguing that you couldn't have a disabled vet as president becausehe is disabled? Doesn't it depend on the disability! Or you that you would never vote for a POW? Doesn't that depend on the guy? that is all kinds of bullshit

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You're going too far afield. We're talking about a broken man. Change the circumstance and make up a man who was anally raped as a child for years, wrote some books and was hailed as a hero *despite angry outbursts from time to time*. Would you want that hypothetical guy as your President?

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at July 20, 2015 09:15 AM (3ZtZW)

285 They made confessions but made their appearance so awful they couldn't be filmed for propaganda

They made signed statements. They ALL did

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 09:16 AM (zOTsN)

286 Nood Ben.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2015 09:16 AM (ATv6t)

287 Laters daywalkers, into radio blackout I go! IE, home.

Posted by: Gmac - 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at July 20, 2015 09:16 AM (4pjhs)

288 Bigby you are the same guy who said military people couldn't be armed at work stateside because of Posse Commitatus. Now you are just making shit up

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 09:18 AM (zOTsN)

289 Another guy beat himself up so he couldn't be presented for a propaganda film. But he signed a confession. They found other ways to resist. Which is why they changed The Code of Conduct.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 09:23 AM (zOTsN)

290 Bigby you are the same guy who said military people couldn't be armed at work stateside because of Posse Commitatus. Now you are just making shit up

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Jesus fng Christ. Look the shit up if you want.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at July 20, 2015 09:25 AM (3ZtZW)

291 I was a jag bigby. Very familiar with it. I also worked with some POWs as they neared retirement. You are full of crap

Posted by: ThunderB at July 20, 2015 09:26 AM (zOTsN)

292 Trump is the only political way that Jeb! can be prevented from being the GOP nominee. Nobody else has the name recognition and money to do that. That is the only reason I like him in the race. Do I think that he may be baiting conservatives on behest of the Clintons? Possibly - its why I don't like him as a third party candidate.

Look if the race comes down to Jeb! vs Hillary! who cares which of those progressive back stabbing turds win. The country loses either way.

Posted by: An Observation at July 20, 2015 09:34 AM (PL9bv)

293 163 I've watched the whole clip of Trump's comments about McCain, and the biggest problem I have with Trump's statement is when he said, "He's a war hero because he was captured. I prefer people that weren't captured." That sounds to me like a slur against POWs, as if they have some character failing for having been captured. You can explain away his comments about McCain by providing background about the McCain-Trump feud, but his slur against POWs is bad. And it highlights his biggest failing, that he speaks before he thinks.

Bah. McShitty is not a war hero. Audie fucking Murphy is a war hero. Alvin York is a war hero. We are debasing the term with this "all must have prizes" mentality.

I do not wish to denigrate POWs in general, but fucking hell--I'm not participating in the knee-jerk worship of every guy who ever put on a uniform. McCain deserves every bit of opprobrium heaped on him, and deserves to leave office in a cloud of failure, disgrace, and the faint whiff of brimstone that will follow him.

Posted by: Strictly from apathy at July 20, 2015 09:49 AM (8n+U+)

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