Manufacturing Consent: Democrats Pretend to be "Skeptical" of the Iran Deal

Before getting into this, let me talk about radicals.

Radicals despise the system and essentially want it destroyed. Confronted with the fact that a true demolition of a ruling regime might result in chaos, privation, and even death, the radical shrugs and says, "Not much worse than it is now then, huh?"

Conservatives have tended to not be radicals. Conservatives are invested in the system -- they have mortgages, they have kids, they have a significant amount of skin in the game and something real to lose in a real Let it Burn scenario.

Radicals tend to be of the left.

However, these are just tendencies. Some conservatives, of course, become radicals -- no longer invested in the system, no longer willing to parrot the lies that serve as the lubricant that keep the machinery of day-to-day orderliness moving.

Noam Chomsky is a radical, or poses as one anyway (he's got a lot of property and he's gotten pretty fat financially as part of the Academic Left Monied Establishment). Let's say he at least pretends at radicalism, even if while he enjoys his carefully-sculpted, impeccably-trimmed hedge funds.

But this left winger has a simple claim: that in America, the "consent of the governed" is not had honestly -- which is to say it's not had at all; you can't "trick" someone into consent, after all: if you trick them, they have not consented -- but is instead "manufactured" by various lies propagated by a corporate-media-political complex which offers the public a limited menu of choices, and a limited set of data, they have judged to be safe for public consumption, and then says, "No go and make your choices from the few choices we have permitted you, and with the limited information we have allowed you to see."

Now, some years back, being more invested in the political system, and, frankly, the concept of America itself, than I am now, I would have, and in fact did I'm sure, look askance at this crusty old Trust Fund Socialist's ideas and laugh at the contrived nature of his conspiratorial analysis; always looking for dark agents pulling the strings of opinion, always fantasizing some High Cabal which really runs the country.

Again, several years ago, I actually believed in America, and participatory democracy, and all that.

Now I don't. So now I find myself agreeing with Chomsky, albeit from a rightward direction. I don't agree with him about who controls the country, or to what political ends; but I do with agree with him that it is controlled.

Now this brings me to the Manufactured Consent we're about to have on this Iran deal.

We are now offered articles that state that some Democrats are "skeptical" of the idea. This holds out to us all that the future is yet unwritten, and that, through our political exertions, we can make a difference.

After all, the vote is iffy, we're told, and the vote lies in the future; we can therefore change that vote.

Or at least that is what They (capitalization intended, though I suppose it might be self-mocking and ironical) would like you to think.

If we invest ourselves in this, if we buy into the drama -- perhaps we can lobby Ben Cardin to our side! And Ben Cardin is the key to Chuck Schumer -- it helps make this "real" to us. Drama, emotion, tangible feelings make something feel real.

But I fear that is part of the design.

Because the vote is not upcoming. The vote will not be had, in the future, when the cameras are rolling and Statesmen are giving speeches in the Well of Congress.

The vote is not in fact to be had; the vote of course already was had, two months ago, when Bob Corker proposed the "compromise" that said that deal would become law automatically, subject to a negative vote by Congress, but Obama gets to veto that, meaning Obama only needs one third support in both bodies to carry the day.

This is an inversion of the usual scheme wherein it requires a two thirds positive vote to carry the day in his favor; a mere one third minority could have blocked him.

No more. A one-third minority now wins the day for him.

So the actual vote, the actual History, the important deed, passed by two months ago when few of us were paying attention.

The coming vote will be the performance of Failure Theater, debuting to a world hungry for some dramatic political entertainment; but plays are of course scripted, and thus, their conclusions are foreordained, and this particular bit of stagecraft was written and finalized months ago by Bob Corker, with every single Republican voting in favor of it, save one -- Tom Cotton -- who objected, and save another, Ted Cruz, who made himself absent.

The vote was already had. The event has already passed. Law was already made and the trajectory of America was already changed.

But now will come the Performance aspect of it, the actual theatrical production, which we'll all watch, because They know we are first and foremost Spectators, and we are suckers for Spectacle, and Drama.

But know this: No, Ben Cardin will not flip; no, Chuck Schumer will not flip. And further, whether one or two Democrats flipped is entirely irrelevant, as 12 of of them would have to flip now to block this in the Senate -- a possibility as remote as the far side of Pluto.

So we can all pretend that we are part of making History here, of shaping our own lives, of guiding our own country; but in fact it's all a Lie.

They decided this for us, in the quiet and in the darkness, a couple of months ago.

I will personally not be following the twists and turns, the cliffhangers and sudden reversals, they've all scripted for our viewing pleasure.

I already know the ending: The deal passes, and rather easily at that.

Democracy is not being practiced here; it is merely being stage-managed. They have worked their level best to insulate themselves from the rebuking power of popular opinion, and, with their corporate-media allies to protect them, they have managed to do so almost completely.

So this is why I have become a radical: I agree with a left-wing socialist/communist about the fundamental rotten lie at the heart of the American democracy.

I will not trouble myself to follow a farce.

Spoiler Alert: Iran gets the bomb and the gold, Obama gets to pretend he's a statesmen, and Republicans get to pretend they opposed any of this.

There are many tv shows on in which people pretend various things. Most of these other pretend things I could be watching are more interesting.

So I am turning off the TV, I am turning off the Bob Corker & Mitch McConnell show, and, frankly, I am cutting the cord on America.

Open Thread. Turning off the computer for the day for purposes of mental health.

Posted by: Ace at 06:05 PM

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1 OMG

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 15, 2015 06:08 PM (UhRGU)

2 Ever get the feeling you're all alone talking to yourself?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 15, 2015 06:09 PM (UhRGU)

3 Test. Not the metal q-tip kind...

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 15, 2015 06:09 PM (vgIRn)

4 I think the GOPDonks have really pissed off the Ewok this time.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 06:10 PM (cbfNE)

5 Are you in Texas, Ace?

You should come down to Texas.

Actually, all you guys and gals should come down to Texas.

OregonMuse, it's so rainy up there. Why hang around?

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at July 15, 2015 06:10 PM (rzggC)

6 Ever get the feeling you're all alone talking to yourself?

Shilo, when I was young.

Posted by: Neil Diamond at July 15, 2015 06:10 PM (O3ybu)

7 Hey Ace is gone!
Let's break open the liquor cabinet!

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 15, 2015 06:10 PM (l2Gqi)

8
Ace has had enough of the Bullshit.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:10 PM (wHFQT)

9 Ace. Just don't give the keys to Gabe.

Posted by: Golfman at July 15, 2015 06:10 PM (48QDY)

10
Welcome to the Club, ol' chum.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:10 PM (wHFQT)

11 *shakes and rattles Electronic Thumb*

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 15, 2015 06:10 PM (eHOVP)

12 Israel should simply take the first shot.

"Get your retaliation in early" is what my dad used to say.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 15, 2015 06:11 PM (UhRGU)

13 Present.

Posted by: John Boehner at July 15, 2015 06:11 PM (Gcu5R)

14
You think this week sucked? You think the last two prior weeks sucked?

Wait'll you get a load of next week. Joe Biden will announce his candidacy and the way he does it will make you sick.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:12 PM (wHFQT)

15 I have no clothes but no one seems to notice.

Posted by: President Present at July 15, 2015 06:13 PM (UhRGU)

16 Yeah, the Democrats find actual democratic and constitutional government to be like, so-o-o much work!! It's better to lie and cheat and abuse power and yell "Booosh!" than actually do the work of governing.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:14 PM (ry4ab)

17 @14

Nothing Joe is a surprise. He could twerk Bruce Jenner on a beach in the Hamptons and everyone would just roll their eyes and laugh.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 15, 2015 06:14 PM (UhRGU)

18 #14. Beau.

Posted by: John Boehner at July 15, 2015 06:15 PM (Gcu5R)

19 Opposing this from the beginning wouldn't result in a government shutdown or hurt the Republicans electorally so why are they doing it? The reason is the lobby from the defense industry. This deal will result in a tenfold militarization of the Middle East and US companies will be there to sell them lots of goodies.

Posted by: Jergens_Lotion at July 15, 2015 06:15 PM (z8IzG)

20
Ward Churchill wasn't too far off, after all. But the "little Eichmanns" have turned out to be the Republicans and Democrats under obama's rule.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:15 PM (wHFQT)

21 Barack Obama has always been destined to be the guy who gets Iran killed dead by Israel. so when it happens, and it will, blame him, because I don't give 2 shits.

Posted by: X at July 15, 2015 06:15 PM (foEhe)

22 Helping Iran get the bomb does help it burn. Failure theater does not.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 15, 2015 06:16 PM (zauWW)

23 15
I have no clothes but no one seems to notice.

"President Present, your new suit is so excellent and so refined!! Isn't that right Sally?" - ABC, CBS, NDC, MSNDC, CNN

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:16 PM (ry4ab)

24 We have a new contender for 2016 though,Super Earthquake.

Posted by: steevy at July 15, 2015 06:16 PM (sPO3u)

25 I'm glad that you're turing off your computer., Ace. You work so hard fighting the good fight It's summer. Take some time off. :^) The political process will be still be screwed up when you get back. Sigh.

Let's set a date to read some Jeeves and Wooster (please) and have another happy thread because even now I have something to share for that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 06:16 PM (OSs/l)

26 Excellent post, Ace.
Think I'll scram, too. Time for a cold beverage...

Posted by: Lizzy at July 15, 2015 06:16 PM (NOIQH)

27 >>>Spoiler Alert: Iran gets the bomb and the gold, Obama gets to pretend
he's a statesmen, and Republicans get to pretend they opposed any of
this.<<<

I get a gold too, right? RIGHT?!

Posted by: Lurch Kerry, grovelling for a Peace Prize at July 15, 2015 06:17 PM (t2xH3)

28 They think we are stupid. The LIVs are having voted for a muzzie dictator twice. But "The Deal" has been created by a vote that changes the contitution. It is an illegal treaty and there should be an immediate challenge in the Supreme Court. We know ht e 4 liberals will vote with the choom regardless of what the law says. It will be up to the two swings.

The idiots maintain this is not a treaty. A treaty is a "deal made between two or more countries". That is exactly what this is. Only one Republican stayed true, Tom Cotton. The rest sold us and the country out. All the damn Democrats voted for this POS. Both parties can go to hell. What they and Obama have done with this illegal treaty is treason.

We need an Art V convention, 1 delegate per state, with the caviate that the delegate can not be part of any political office.

And they need to produce a Constitution that takes the courts out of Washington and gives them to the states. They need to provide teeth that allows citizens of the States to impeach their appointed judges and representatives at will for any reason by a majority vote.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 15, 2015 06:17 PM (GpgJl)

29 Joe Biden will announce his candidacy and the way he does it will make you sick.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:12 PM (wHFQT)

No way I'm letting him rub *my* shoulders!

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at July 15, 2015 06:18 PM (nFdGS)

30 They should feel skeptical. The President just lied to our and their face today. Even the press can't cover the fact that he said inspections would be immediate and continuous but the fact is that we have to give notice and then the Iranians have up to 21 days to arbitrate the request if they so choose.

He is scum.

Posted by: Cruzinater at July 15, 2015 06:18 PM (4SgJh)

31 The name of the movie Ace is reviewing in this post is:

"The Cryptic Noises Noam Chomsky Is Making While He Is Gargling Satan's Cock Actually Make Sense".

Posted by: Sharkman at July 15, 2015 06:18 PM (72D6h)

32 The mullahs are laughing their asses off while the Estimable John Kerry is seeking medical intervention to help him extract his skivvies from his butt crack.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 15, 2015 06:18 PM (8ZskC)

33 We threw an election and nobody came.

Posted by: Grand Old Party at July 15, 2015 06:19 PM (Gcu5R)

34
As expected, the Greek layabouts are pissed. The "fix" for Greece seems to be pension reform and higher taxes in exchange for an interest-free loan.

Wait, higher taxes??

The EU economic geniuses figured out Greece's problems and one of them is that taxes are too low?
I don't get this at all. Does the EU want to depress the Greek economy or what?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:19 PM (wHFQT)

35 Well, at least we got Caitlyn Jenner taken down from the South Carolina capitol and changed the sex of the Confederate flag, so at least there's those accomplishments to savor before the Jew ... er ... Israelis let fly.

Posted by: Jeb Boehner at July 15, 2015 06:20 PM (X1MGv)

36 Sure, the negotiations were tough but in the end I succeeded in keeping my socks.

Posted by: Jean F. LeKerry, Secretaire d'Etat at July 15, 2015 06:20 PM (8ZskC)

37 The mullahs are laughing their asses off while the Estimable John Kerry is seeking medical intervention to help him extract his skivvies from his butt crack.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)

The skivvie extraction is just a cover story. He's really getting more plastic surgery.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 15, 2015 06:20 PM (rVQpn)

38 >>> So I am turning off the TV, I am turning off the Bob Corker & Mitch McConnell show, and, frankly, I am cutting the cord on America.

Right there with you. I look forward to seeing how things play out from afar*, G_d willing, soon. Hopefully, from a relatively safe place.

*Assuming that I elect to keep following things, that is.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma, soon from an undisclosed non-US location at July 15, 2015 06:21 PM (2mJMN)

39 Higher taxes is what the European Union considers "austerity".

Of course, since there's massive tax cheating in Greece already...

Posted by: An Inanimate Carbon Rod at July 15, 2015 06:21 PM (FohCt)

40 The logjam finally broke when I consented to allow Teresa to be fucked by a camel at the signing ceremony.

Posted by: Jean F. LeKerry, Secretaire d'Etat at July 15, 2015 06:21 PM (8ZskC)

41
The Greek layabouts, meanwhile, are killing the tourism industry in Greece.

Most people I know don't enjoy suffering violent protests and dodging molotov cocktails while vacationing.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:22 PM (wHFQT)

42 19
Opposing this from the beginning wouldn't result in a government
shutdown or hurt the Republicans electorally so why are they doing it?
The reason is the lobby from the defense industry. This deal will
result in a tenfold militarization of the Middle East and US companies
will be there to sell them lots of goodies.
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Nice try troll. The Defense lobby REALLY wants Obummer to buy 200 more F-35s, some power armor suits, another aircraft carrier AND 50 LCS boats, and expand the US army by half instead of cutting it by one-third. They can't make a profit selling arms to Arabs who will shortly be buying Chinese rush orders or paying tribute to Iran to avoid becoming a sea of radioactive glass.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:22 PM (ry4ab)

43 You know , why don't we just skip this whole 'Presidential election' thingy next year?

Too expensive, too time-consuming and really, why change what's working?

Posted by: GOP/e at July 15, 2015 06:22 PM (XaTzU)

44 We threw an election and nobody came.
Posted by: Grand Old Party

Not true. Every consultant came when they saw the size of the checks.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 15, 2015 06:22 PM (rVQpn)

45 Mitch McConnell - below the age of consent, apparently.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 15, 2015 06:22 PM (TRDE0)

46 did he pick the new book to read before he split?

Posted by: concrete girl at July 15, 2015 06:23 PM (l7Imv)

47 I said, "okay, a camel is fine, but under no circumstances will I agree to a water buffalo."

In gambling, sometimes you have to be ready to push away from the table.

Posted by: Jean F. LeKerry, Secretaire d'Etat at July 15, 2015 06:23 PM (8ZskC)

48

Thanks Thom!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 06:24 PM (kdS6q)

49

Foxis featuring Jeb Bush next

so republicans want this deal too. And if it fails hang it around the dems neck like a burning tire

in the mean time the banks and the business claw to get a piece of the Iranian market

arms race

giving the region to Iran

picking a side in the muslim civil war

abandoning Israel

there will be a terrible price for all of this and the bill will come due very very soon

Posted by: ThunderB at July 15, 2015 06:24 PM (zOTsN)

50 >>>
I get a gold too, right? RIGHT?!
Posted by: Lurch Kerry, grovelling for a Peace Prize at July 15, 2015 06:17 PM (t2xH3)

Yes, you do! And YOU! And YOU! And YOU! ALL OF YOU GET PRIZES!!! Tee hee heeheeheeheeheehee!

Why? 'Cause, after all, we ALL are above-average.......

Posted by: The Garrison Keillor/Oprah Winfrey Awards Committee at July 15, 2015 06:24 PM (2mJMN)

51 For some reason, after reading Ace's post, I have the song "Lucky Ole Sun" bouncing around in my head.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 06:24 PM (P25Hh)

52 27
>>>Spoiler Alert: Iran gets the bomb and the gold, Obama gets to pretend

he's a statesmen, and Republicans get to pretend they opposed any of

this.<<<

I get a gold too, right? RIGHT?!
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Yes Lurch, the Iranians are going to give you all the gold you can take, in the matter their Parthian forefathers rewarded Crassus. Yea verily, you will choke on the amount.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:24 PM (ry4ab)

53

and as the ambassador said

Iran does not need an ICBM to hit Israel

the ICBM is for us

Posted by: ThunderB at July 15, 2015 06:25 PM (zOTsN)

54 Conservatives have tended to not be radicals. Conservatives are invested in the system -- they have mortgages, they have kids, they have a significant amount of skin in the game and something real to lose in a real Let it Burn scenario.

^^^^^^

I'm going to be very honest here. I've already cut the cord on hope for America. America is done. We are too far gone at this point to salvage what we had. History has shown over and over and over again that once a nation or an empire hits its decadent phase it's all downhill into decline and fall.

I have young kids (two under ten) and should be invested in maintaining, but at this point I'm putting my time and energy into preparing them to withstand persecution and ostracization. I'm preparing them to be strong enough to do what they ought, not just what feels good right now. And I realize that means my kids will likely be social pariahs, but I can do no other. I refuse to teach them to go along with lies so they can be comfortable.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at July 15, 2015 06:26 PM (KkVB6)

55
The only Greeks who will be hurt by the increase in taxes are, naturally, the taxpaying Greece, i.e., the producers and earners of the country.

So that make sense; punish those people. That'll get Greece back on its feet.

This is what you get when you have No Leadership in the world. Idiotic and dangerous deals with Iran. Foolish economic policy in Greece. And lawless sanctuary cities in the USA with violent foreigners running around with guns provided to them by obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:26 PM (wHFQT)

56 >>>You know , why don't we just skip this whole 'Presidential election' thingy next year?
Too expensive, too time-consuming and really, why change what's working?
Posted by: GOP/e at July 15, 2015 06:22 PM (XaTzU)<<<

Yeah, and that whole 22nd Amendment "two terms" nonsense... not the hill to die on.

Posted by: Agent Orange, Mitch the Turtle, and at least 4 SCOTUS Justasses at July 15, 2015 06:27 PM (t2xH3)

57 Actually, the weird coming-together of the Ace/Chomsky intellectual coupling is a good thing for the DemoKKKrat Party and America, and here's why!

Posted by: Vox at July 15, 2015 06:27 PM (2mJMN)

58 That is correct, Dave. Jupiter was never the target of the mission. It has always been Pluto. And with what we are leaving behind, it is the wisest choice.

Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at July 15, 2015 06:27 PM (Gcu5R)

59 Wait, higher taxes??

Higher taxes are the only form of austerity they know. You don't think government A is going to ask government B to spend less, do you?

That kind of precedence is dangerous.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 15, 2015 06:27 PM (J0IP0)

60 24
We have a new contender for 2016 though,Super Earthquake.

Piker.

Posted by: All Dead Inside 2016 at July 15, 2015 06:28 PM (XaTzU)

61 41

The Greek layabouts, meanwhile, are killing the tourism industry in Greece.

Most people I know don't enjoy suffering violent protests and dodging molotov cocktails while vacationing.
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Hey, why go for half failure when you can go all the way?

Right now I am trying to persuade CPT Charles to get Navarone Island with Buy It Now on eBay so we can have a WW II playground of our very own with hot Greek women hanging around.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:28 PM (ry4ab)

62 I understand wanting to get away from it for some people. It is depressing, and the more you know the worse it is. Either you adjust to doomage or your don't.

It helps me mentally knowing I'm somewhat prepped, but if shit does hit the fan I'm not nearly prepped enough and if it doesn't I'm way over prepped.

Either way I'll survive.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:28 PM (wkuqO)

63
I'm totes mad about this! For realies for trulies!
Posted by: Ted LCF Cruz

Me too! Grrrrrrrr!
Posted by: Marco "Mailbox Head" Rubio

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 06:29 PM (kdS6q)

64 My 17 year old is being especially whiny of late. I think to myself. .. "Buddy, THIS is as good as it's ever going to be for you and your useless, overindulged crew. You can't begin to imagine the misery that will be YOUR forties. I'll be dead and you'll be well and truly fu**ed."

Posted by: Raspail at July 15, 2015 06:29 PM (X1MGv)

65 and as the ambassador said Iran does not need an ICBM to hit Israel the ICBM is for us
Posted by: ThunderB at July 15, 2015 06:25 PM (zOTsN)

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You are correct.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 06:30 PM (P25Hh)

66 Kubler Ross stages of grief for ace. He is right. This sucks. It'll go down.

Posted by: simplemind at July 15, 2015 06:31 PM (BTnAK)

67 Manufactured Consent, if you can keep it.

Posted by: mirror universe Ben Franklin at July 15, 2015 06:31 PM (t2xH3)

68 Conversely, the earlier discussion of deviance does not affect the structure of a parasitic gap construction. Suppose, for instance, that this selectionally introduced contextual feature is, apparently, determined by a descriptive fact. By combining adjunctions and certain deformations, a subset of English sentences interesting on quite independent grounds appears to correlate rather closely with a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. Comparing these examples with their parasitic gap counterparts in (96) and (97), we see that the theory of syntactic features developed earlier is unspecified with respect to the system of base rules exclusive of the lexicon. This suggests that the systematic use of complex symbols can be defined in such a way as to impose nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory.

Posted by: chomskybot at July 15, 2015 06:31 PM (pvdAA)

69
Amazing isn't it?

There are, what, fifteen Republicans running for president and just 1 of them is willing to actually make bold statements on the Bullshit that's going on.

And that lone Republican hasn't got a chance to get the nom so it's all for naught.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:31 PM (wHFQT)

70 I don't comment very often because I feel my comments are probably dull. However, I have been following this site daily for several years now because Ace always seems to verbalize where I am at politically. After the 2014 midterms "failure theatre" has left me without a smidgeon of hope for America's return to something even remotely recognizable. The Chamber of Commerce has won.

Posted by: Liliana at July 15, 2015 06:31 PM (A3uny)

71 "Somebody's doing the raping."

Trump
2016

Posted by: prescient11 at July 15, 2015 06:32 PM (q5APL)

72 Finish this sentence; "Sunshine Soldier and the summer patriot will..." Thomas Paine.

Ace, great gramps(5) and the gang went into Trenton a few days after Paine wrote that. He faced losing everything and real bullets.

We can't just chuck it.

You, can't just chuck it.

Posted by: Dblwmy at July 15, 2015 06:32 PM (djiiy)

73 ICBM As in way over there. Plus if you live on the west coast and think they will just hit the big cities think again. They could miss cities by miles.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:32 PM (wkuqO)

74 Super Earthquake? As long as it takes out Shepard Smith, it can't come soon enough.

Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at July 15, 2015 06:33 PM (Gcu5R)

75 Hamster attack?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 06:33 PM (EzgxV)

76 That which cannot continue won't.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 06:33 PM (cbfNE)

77 ....*................*..................................*.....*...............

Posted by: tumbleweeds at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (XaTzU)

78 5
Are you in Texas, Ace?

Actually, all you guys and gals should come down to Texas.

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I've thought about it more than a few times. Move down to the Big Thicket country and get a job to hold me over while I spend weekends hunting for Bigfoot with Bob Garret or the GCBRO. The eminent collapse of the USA and Western Civilization doesn't seem like much of a problem when you are running from a Texas 'squatch that is going all Sean Penn over unlicensed photography.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (ry4ab)

79 tl;dr: Let it burn

Posted by: Oschisms at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (yeeo9)

80 Exactly how far can an ICBM travel?

Posted by: Infidel at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (cojT9)

81 However, my local pub makes the best Strawberry Martinis I have ever had. So there's that.

Posted by: Liliana at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (A3uny)

82 Jews in the West have worked for decades to get people like Obama in power. If they don't care about their homeland why should I? As much as Bibi is liked by Cons in this country ideologically he and his countrymen are far closer to Obama. I can't worry about people who have a death wish.

Posted by: James Lingk at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (Bcqod)

83 Any Democrat or Republican who thinks the "Iran Deal" is a partisan issue should be thrown into the sea (along with 1000 Dept of Education lawyers).

Posted by: Y. A. Tittle at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (e8kgV)

84 Agree 100% with the post. The fix is in.

I will nevertheless be contacting my Rep and 2 Senators by phone, e-mail, and snail mail. I will try to get other people to do that too.

Why? Eh. It's all I can do.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 15, 2015 06:35 PM (cN9Sk)

85 I don't comment very often because I feel my comments are probably dull.
Posted by: Liliana at July 15, 2015 06:31 PM (A3uny)

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Never stopped me from commenting.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 06:35 PM (P25Hh)

86 80 Exactly how far can an ICBM travel?

Posted by: Infidel at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (cojT9) 80 Exactly how far can an ICBM travel?

Posted by: Infidel at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (cojT9)

To a different continent. Balistically.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 06:35 PM (EzgxV)

87
That which cannot continue won't.

Indeed. That's why the USA as we know it is fading away. It simply cannot continue in this environment.

Oh wait, you meant that the Left and their systematic dismantling of the USA will eventually end?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:35 PM (wHFQT)

88 Me too. Headed to the range.

Posted by: Mister Grumpy at July 15, 2015 06:36 PM (4KoRb)

89 The Greeks effective tax rate is already over 50%. And as predicted by most economists long ago they have widespread cheating and no economy. A tax increase will make it worse. What they should do:

1. Cut taxes and spending
2. As part of cuttting spending they should eliminate the unions and make people work for any income they get

In a short period of time the economy will rebound. But that will not happen until they crash and burn.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 15, 2015 06:36 PM (GpgJl)

90 Between Continents infidel. If they can get into orbit by shifting the trajectory they can reach most anywhere.

The EMP theory is growing wings about now.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:36 PM (wkuqO)

91 74 Super Earthquake? As long as it takes out Shepard Smith, it can't come soon enough.
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at July 15, 2015 06:33 PM (Gcu5R)

I caught a bit of his broadcast from the control room of the Enterprise this afternoon and he had some graphic on one of his mega-iPads about how super awesome it will be once we can import all those cool things Iran produces. Like Persian carpets! Squeeeeee!!!!

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at July 15, 2015 06:36 PM (KkVB6)

92 it can always get worse.

Things have a way of being overcome by "events"

Posted by: ThunderB at July 15, 2015 06:36 PM (zOTsN)

93 Oh wait, you meant that the Left and their systematic dismantling of the USA will eventually end?

Maybe when they reach the molecular level.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 06:37 PM (XaTzU)

94 Exactly how far can an ICBM travel?

*waiting for the punchline*

Posted by: Gary Cherone at July 15, 2015 06:37 PM (O3ybu)

95 Lovely, so if the Yellowstone Caldera doesn't get me, the camel fuckers will.

Posted by: Infidel at July 15, 2015 06:37 PM (cojT9)

96 You think things suck now, wait til you get a load of 2016.

Posted by: simplemind at July 15, 2015 06:37 PM (BTnAK)

97 Agree 100% with the post. The fix is in. I will nevertheless be contacting my Rep and 2 Senators by phone, e-mail, and snail mail. I will try to get other people to do that too. Why? Eh. It's all I can do.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 15, 2015 06:35 PM (cN9Sk)

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No. It's not all. But most "Americans" aren't ready for the "all" part yet.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 06:37 PM (P25Hh)

98 >>> 62 I understand wanting to get away from it for some people. It is depressing, and the more you know the worse it is. Either you adjust to doomage or your don't.

I've spent the last 15+ years working in Financial Analysis, and it kills me to watch this almost from the Belly of the Beast. It's not so much watching the collapse, it's actually two things for me.

1.) Spending 7 years in the Military (17 y.o. to 25 y.o.) and seeing that it (defending against the Norks, Soviets, etc.) was probably all for naught, and

2.) Seeing the details, again, from a Financial Analysis perspective, day in and day out, and not being able to do anything about it, because I'm a small fish. It's worse that many of my higher officers (CEO, CFO, etc.) are/were such leftists doesn't/didn't help my motivation to stick around.

>>> It helps me mentally knowing I'm somewhat prepped, but if shit does hit the fan I'm not nearly prepped enough and if it doesn't I'm way over prepped.

Either way I'll survive.
Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:28 PM (wkuqO)

Hats off to you! I sincerely wish you and others like you well and hope for y'all to see better days. I'll set aside a seat at my hoped-for Rick's Cafe Americain, wherever I end up.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma, soon from an undisclosed non-US location at July 15, 2015 06:37 PM (2mJMN)

99 Tell them damned maimed veterans the 100K speaker's fee is non-negotiable!

Posted by: George Bush at July 15, 2015 06:37 PM (Gcu5R)

100 I'll lay me down to bleed for a while
Then I'll rise
And fight with you again...

Posted by: Ballad of Andrew Barton at July 15, 2015 06:38 PM (X1MGv)

101
Oh, Israel, Oh Israel, hear our prayers!
Save us from Obamabeezelbub, Lord!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 06:38 PM (iQIUe)

102
It has been interesting (and sad) to see Ace come around to seeingthings likeIdo.
It isn't a hopeful place. I'm not part of LIB. I'm part of, it WILL burn no matter what now.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 15, 2015 06:38 PM (jtStN)

103 >>>81

great comment Liliana...cheers!

Posted by: concrete girl at July 15, 2015 06:38 PM (l7Imv)

104 I don't know what the big deal about them having ICBM's is, when they could just as easily deliver a bomb over here via the Transcontinental Railroad.

Posted by: Soopah Smaht SCOAMF at July 15, 2015 06:38 PM (t2xH3)

105 Open Thread. Turning off the computer for the day for purposes of mental health.

I recommend alcohol.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 06:38 PM (rwI+c)

106 Sweet sweet alcohol.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 06:39 PM (rwI+c)

107 16 Yeah, the ~~Democrats~~ GOPe find actual democratic and constitutional government to be like, so-o-o much work!! It's better to lie and cheat and abuse power and yell ~~"Booosh!"~~ "hard-right conservatives!" than actually do the work of governing.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:14 PM (ry4ab)

FIFY

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 15, 2015 06:39 PM (laMCB)

108

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 15, 2015 06:39 PM (laMCB)

109 Cotton 2016!

Posted by: TexasJew at July 15, 2015 06:39 PM (O1jlF)

110 Go to youtube and find the Clinton speech announcing his triumphal nuclear deal with North Korea, along with us saving them from utter starvation, in addition to which the Norks reneged on every single thing in the "deal".

This has all happened before, but this is much worse.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 15, 2015 06:40 PM (JgC5a)

111 Posted by: Gary Cherone

Warheads

http://tinyurl.com/ojto3hd

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 06:40 PM (XaTzU)

112 Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:35 PM (wHFQT)

I don't rightly know.
I just reckon that something's gotta give.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 06:40 PM (cbfNE)

113 T H E R E
W I L L
B E
B U R N

starring Daniel Day-Lewis

Posted by: I drink your caldera-shake at July 15, 2015 06:40 PM (O3ybu)

114 I will nevertheless be contacting my Rep and 2 Senators by phone, e-mail, and snail mail.

Evidently my emails and calls and letters aren't helpful enough to warrant a reply. I wonder why and I was nice as I could be too.

I have to say Feinstein sent me a cockroach letter thanking me for my concerns and she would give it her full consideration. Bless her heart.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:40 PM (wkuqO)

115 As much as Bibi is liked by Cons in this country
ideologically he and his countrymen are far closer to Obama. I can't
worry about people who have a death wish.
Posted by: James Lingk at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (Bcqod)

Likud, Jewish Home, Kulanu, and Israeli Beitenu are to the right of what currently passes for the Republican party, and they certainly don't have a death wish.

As for abandoning Israel due to events in the United States, that's exactly what's desired by American progressives, Jewish or otherwise.

Posted by: An Inanimate Carbon Rod at July 15, 2015 06:40 PM (FohCt)

116 80
Exactly how far can an ICBM travel?
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Halfway around the world if you get the orbital telemetry right, and that's far enough. And Iran has the $$$ to buy direct from PRC and not the DPK budget mart. The Himalayas are a bit of a trajectory problem, so the West Coast is safe from mainland Iran. Miami, D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC...not so safe.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:41 PM (ry4ab)

117 "Who's doing the raping?"

Trump
2016

Posted by: prescient11 at July 15, 2015 06:41 PM (q5APL)

118 It was such a nice day I thought I'd walk.

Posted by: icbm punchline at July 15, 2015 06:41 PM (kivUY)

119 My brother is an idiot. And I should know.

Posted by: George Bush at July 15, 2015 06:42 PM (Gcu5R)

120 Tell them damned maimed veterans the 100K speaker's fee is non-negotiable!

This seems so out of character for Bush I have to doubt it.

"Washington (CNN)Former President George W. Bush is under fire for charging $100,000 to speak to a group of veterans wounded in a pair of wars he started when he was in office, just the latest front in a political battle over speaking fees that has hit both sides of the aisle. "

Color me skeptical. It's seems so Manufactured Consent, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 06:42 PM (rwI+c)

121 Turning off the computer for the day for purposes of mental health.

Good idea. I need to do that more often.

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 06:42 PM (sdi6R)

122 Indeed. That's why the USA as we know it is fading away. It simply cannot continue in this environment. Oh wait, you meant that the Left and their systematic dismantling of the USA will eventually end?
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:35 PM (wHFQT)

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It's why I thank God every day that I live in Oklahoma. We're one of the last vestiges of what the USA used to be like. BUT, as the erosion of the nation continues, we will also be swallowed.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 06:42 PM (P25Hh)

123 In before Huck/Akin shits up the thread.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 15, 2015 06:42 PM (xSCb6)

124 Addendum: if Iran buys a boomer sub from someone *stares hard at Russia, Chicoms* they can launch ICBMS from anywhere, anytime, and hit the USA target of their choosing. Just a thought to keep y'all warm at night.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:42 PM (ry4ab)

125 "What are you prepared to do?"
"Anything within the law."
"And *then* what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms, you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they're not gonna give up the fight, until one of you is dead."

Posted by: Enochf at July 15, 2015 06:43 PM (XKKe8)

126 1.) Spending 7 years in the Military (17 y.o. to 25 y.o.) and seeing that it (defending against the Norks, Soviets, etc.) was probably all for naught, and

^^^^^
Little bro is in right now. Been in for about 12 years. Says it's terrible right now. If he were not on the back half of his 20 years career he would get out. Flat out told us that if we get into a war we will not win. It's that bad.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at July 15, 2015 06:43 PM (KkVB6)

127 Was it over when the Vandals sacked Rome?!?

Who's with me?

Posted by: Senator Blutarsky Maximus at July 15, 2015 06:43 PM (X1MGv)

128 If ace ever peeks back into this thread, this is exactly why the right needs to steal Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 06:43 PM (cbfNE)

129 I don't understand the Himalayas being a problem. They are what 29,000 feet max?

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:43 PM (wkuqO)

130 wounded in a pair of wars he started

That's some dang fine objective reporting.

Posted by: fuck you, CNN at July 15, 2015 06:44 PM (O3ybu)

131 and right off the bat "at galas held in 2011 and 2012. "

So, 3 to 4 years ago, and it's news now.

Seriously, I'm at the point where I expect the State Media to just make up stuff out of whole cloth.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 06:44 PM (rwI+c)

132
Exactly how far can an ICBM travel?
Posted by: Infidel

Surprise! Gotcha!

Posted by: Iranian Fractional Orbital Bombardment System

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 06:44 PM (kdS6q)

133 Wow, nice peace ACE..
You get it, so we got that going for the slave union ...
Those words should be required reading for all low info voters...

Posted by: Coleman Young Mayo of Motown at July 15, 2015 06:45 PM (/WmRg)

134 So you think we got a chance!

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 15, 2015 06:45 PM (QdAXQ)

135 120
Tell them damned maimed veterans the 100K speaker's fee is non-negotiable!

This seems so out of character for Bush I have to doubt it.

"Washington (CNN)Former President George W. Bush is under fire for
charging $100,000 to speak to a group of veterans wounded in a pair of
wars he started when he was in office, just the latest front in a
political battle over speaking fees that has hit both sides of the aisle. "

Color me skeptical. It's seems so Manufactured Consent, IYKWIM.
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I agree, Dubya would accept a $100K fee and then turn around and donate it, if he accepted it in the first place. Hello people, Texas oil money, he can write off the plane fuel as a charitable deduction! And compared to the Clintons, $100,000 is chump change.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:45 PM (ry4ab)

136 Vote serious repub guys, come on!

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at July 15, 2015 06:45 PM (COpZ4)

137 No one will be allowed to turn off his/ her/ its computer. Misery loves company.

Posted by: Shallow Hal 9000 at July 15, 2015 06:46 PM (Gcu5R)

138 Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:41 PM (ry4ab)

Fractional orbital bombardment.

http://tinyurl.com/ol52652

A big enough ICBM means you can strike anywhere.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 15, 2015 06:46 PM (laMCB)

139 >> if Iran buys a boomer sub from someone *stares hard at Russia, Chicoms* they can launch ICBMS from anywhere, anytime, and hit the USA target of their choosing. Just a thought to keep y'all warm at night

Impossible. You'll never get a goat to go belowdecks on a sub.

Posted by: Garrett at July 15, 2015 06:46 PM (ObBZL)

140 if there was a charge to attend the speech I am sure it did not go to Mr Bush. He does not need the money and if paid it probably turned it over to charity

Posted by: ThunderB at July 15, 2015 06:46 PM (zOTsN)

141
Who the hell would want to listen anything George Bush has to say today? That hokey jackass.

Yeah that's what we need -- for Bush to blow some smoke up our asses.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:46 PM (wHFQT)

142 Turning off the computer for the day for purposes of mental health.

That's a good idea. I should try it sometime.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 15, 2015 06:47 PM (ZKzrr)

143 Nephew is in the Navy.

His description of his unit reminds one of an especiakly pointless unionized shop with intricate workplace sexual politics.

Posted by: Ed at July 15, 2015 06:47 PM (X1MGv)

144 ***"Seriously, I'm at the point where I expect the State Media to just make up stuff out of whole cloth."***

I can name that tune in TWO notes!

Posted by: Jayson Blair at July 15, 2015 06:47 PM (xSCb6)

145
Seriously, I'm at the point where I expect the State Media to just make up stuff out of whole cloth.

...

DNC/Soros-funded Propagandists

The media, get this, has an agenda.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (wHFQT)

146 The "latest front" allegedly happened in 2012.

The Latest, mind you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (rwI+c)

147 No. It's not all. But most "Americans" aren't ready for the "all" part yet.

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If it happens, I hope I can find somewhere to cower amongst them. I don't need much, a bed and a steady supply of Coca-Cola. Maybe they'll need some filing or data entry done or something.

Posted by: Enochf at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (XKKe8)

148 Ace is wrong about the Corker deal. The Iran deal is not a treaty; it was never going to come before the Senate for a vote as a treaty.

The sanctions are all by executive order or by legislation passed in 2010 or earlier that gives the president wide latitude to deal with Iran as he sees fit.

The Senate could sue the president and try to prove this is really a treaty, I guess. I hope they do. But Corker's bill did not do what Ace claims it did.

Posted by: mehbe at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (bxe9a)

149
Turning off the computer for the day for purposes of mental health.

People do that?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (XaTzU)

150 >>>But this left winger has a simple claim: that in America, the "consent of the governed" is not had honestly --

Not sure that's true. That might be a thin veneer of rationalization or a a thin veneer of propaganda, but it overlays the more fundamental motivation: envy, and a desire to control others.

In the case, we've only come to this conviction because of the evidence, after years of horror and disbelief. Two totally different things. At most you can say, what they used to claim falsely is what we perceive to be true.

Posted by: Al Skanken at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (6qR/9)

151 Seriously, I'm at the point where I expect the State Media to just make up stuff out of whole cloth.

I think this is entirely made up. Probably out out by Team Hillary to deflect from her abuses over speaking fees..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (OSs/l)

152 >>Exactly how far can an ICBM travel?

Laden or Un-Laden?

Posted by: Garrett at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (ObBZL)

153 Ace Johnson is right!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (oVJmc)

154 I don't understand the Himalayas being a problem. They are what 29,000 feet max?
Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:43 PM (wkuqO)

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Yeah, I didn't get that either. Minimal orbiting altitude is around 110 MILES. I'm thinking that if Iran develops an ICBM, they'll develop (or buy) one that could hit anywhere.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 06:50 PM (P25Hh)

155 Dear Snoopes,

Q: A friend of mine says that Major Garrett wears CBF underwear. Is that true?

A: We attempted to confirm this rumor with CBS, and received no denial from them.

Posted by: Snoopes at July 15, 2015 06:50 PM (9mTYi)

156 If there was something I could do to fix this I wouldn't have to. Better people than me have been ground up in the DC establishment. So I have a lawn chair and binocs to sit back and watch the burning until it gets to my block.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:51 PM (wkuqO)

157 Regarding Iran, I fully expect them to cut a deal with the Islamic State by the end of the year.

Iran will get a Shia client state from the Baghdad/Mosul axis east, while the Islamic State takes everything west and the rest of the peninsula, and northern Africa.

Why? Because in a couple of years, when IS has consolidated it's control of the Middle East, then a couple of nukes above Tel Aviv will signal for a half-million IS conscripts to attack. The best case scenario for Iran is that Israel is wiped out, but the Islamic State is so weakened by the fighting that the Iranians can come in and clean up any resistance.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 15, 2015 06:51 PM (10ydV)

158 Cheers right back at cha concrete girl. Until Strawberry Martinis are deemed sexist somehow and then the SJWs will burn the place down.

Posted by: Liliana at July 15, 2015 06:51 PM (A3uny)

159 Exactly. All bs. They will do anything not be called out by the race tyrant, including losing Israel and a city or two..

Posted by: pat at July 15, 2015 06:52 PM (nwnmt)

160 138
Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:41 PM (ry4ab)

Fractional orbital bombardment.

http://tinyurl.com/ol52652

A big enough ICBM means you can strike anywhere.
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Ah, FOBS, forgot all about that, and with 21st century electronics the Chicoms stole from us...yeah, they can select the target and hit it +/- 500 meters. Yeah, playing tag with Big Thicket 'squatch is starting to look real good....

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:52 PM (ry4ab)

161 So I have a lawn chair and binocs to sit back and watch the burning until it gets to my block.

That's what he says the binocs are for.

Posted by: the blonde living next door to "just saying" at July 15, 2015 06:52 PM (O3ybu)

162
Howie Carr today was incredulous over how the media was openly writing about how Schumer will have a tough time wrangling out of supporting obama's Iran deal.

Howie was like, the media is treating this like it's some farm bill for Schumer to maneuver positions on not some nuclear deal with the Iranians!!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:53 PM (wHFQT)

163 (Climbs up to the soap box, holding a giant sign) **clears throat** and starts yelling...

"REPENT!!! THE END IS NIGH UPON US!!! REPENT!!!! CAST OUT SATAN AND SAVE YOUR SOUL!!! REPENT!!!"

Too much???

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 15, 2015 06:53 PM (xVgrA)

164 Posted by: mehbe at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (bxe9a)

Good thing we have you to tell us that all these words don't mean what we think they mean.

Posted by: Jayson Blair at July 15, 2015 06:53 PM (xSCb6)

165 >>> Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at July 15, 2015 06:43 PM (KkVB6)

Some of my most prized possessions in the years ahead will be movie DVDs featuring the US Military as I once knew it. Well, that and the various FMs and TMs showing various aspects of the Dark Arts as I learned it.

G_d bless your little bro and all those in, now, and keep them safe.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma, soon from an undisclosed non-US location at July 15, 2015 06:53 PM (2mJMN)

166 Funny thought Ace.

Mark Levin literally a day or two ago stated that he was becoming increasingly radicalized.

Aren't we all. The buttfuck nuptial decision is so utterly lawless that, truly, the rule of law means nothing.

This is always the final stage heading into the collapse, FWIW.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 15, 2015 06:53 PM (q5APL)

167 "This U.S.-North Korean agreement will help to achieve a long-standing and vital American objective: an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean peninsula." Bill Clinton - 1994

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 06:53 PM (9mTYi)

168 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 15, 2015 06:47 PM (ZKzrr)

You wouldn't know it from the amount which Ive posted here lately but sometimes I do it for days such as last Thursday-Ssaturday. It's great. I only get my e-mail and don't look at any news whatsoever. It's truly a mental health break

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 06:54 PM (OSs/l)

169 Ace,

Of all the commenters, I'm guessing my comments are somewhere in the bottom 3% of those that might interest you. (And maybe I'm even high-balling that.)

But I'd like to point out that while yes, our country and our system of self-governance is in horrible shape and getting worse: one can always take profound solace in the realization of his or her personal salvation.
This is not a matter of believing in implausible miracles that are reported to have happened millennia ago (though I admit sympathy with wanting to believe in some of those). Rather it's a matter of opening one's ears to hear an undeniable message about right (moral) living. - And how that message changed the world and _everyone's_ personal prospects because of that message.

It worries me to think of you as despairing over the wretched three-ring circus that is our politics. These matters have always been beyond our control. It's just that now that our system has become so terribly eroded and fundamentally corrupted: it seems we have no choice but to fret as our freedoms and our future become all the more compromised. Well, we don't have to fret. As that's never made a difference. We can continue to observe and be a part of helping other people see the problems.

If morality (right living) has any meaning at all, it can only be as it applies to non-physical souls - or persons. If morality is real and independent of our own preferences, then it would make no sense for morality to be something physical. It could only apply to persons, souls. Which is why who we are as individuals is the most important thing there is. (Socrates speaks beautifully to this point in Plato's _Apology_.)
One perfect man showed up and told us and showed us the best way a person can live - the best kind of soul one can possibly be.
Ultimately that's our work. Our work is not perfecting government - it never has been.

Posted by: _Dave_ at July 15, 2015 06:54 PM (l2dSQ)

170 Ace is wrong about the Corker deal. The Iran deal is not a treaty; it was never going to come before the Senate for a vote as a treaty.

I will certainly grant the later. So it would have been another abuse of Presidential "discretion" and possibly illegal. The Republicans could have run on this all year. With the Corker bill, it becomes a bipartisan piece of legislation with the Republican's nearly unanimous support. No Treaty vote, no filibuster, nothing.

Real 12th dimensional thinking by the Party.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 06:54 PM (rwI+c)

171 ...But Corker's bill did not do what Ace claims it did.
Posted by: mehbe at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (bxe9a)

Andrew McCarthy at National Review begs to differ.

http://tinyurl.com/ouhthzq

Ace hit the nail on the head earlier. The branches won't stand up for their prerogatives. It's all about their tribe winning. Or, in the case of the GOPe, surrendering.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 15, 2015 06:54 PM (laMCB)

172 161 You made me laugh, had it been in the morning I would hunt you down for a new keyboard. It isn't coffee proof.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:55 PM (wkuqO)

173
Oh, I forgot to add that Howie figured out Schumer (and other D's) will be able to fake-oppose obama's Iran deal: because McConnell the conniver will cover for him by getting enough R's to vote for it. I concur.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 06:55 PM (wHFQT)

174 Well, that and the various FMs and TMs showing various aspects of the Dark Arts as I learned it.
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*ponders Vietnamese phrase books in the closet*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 06:55 PM (9mTYi)

175 now we just need to get ace reading right-wing anarchist radicals about the fundamental lie.

Posted by: jim at July 15, 2015 06:55 PM (rNS5g)

176 Mickey Shwarma, soon from an undisclosed non-US location

Mickey!

Please--- your take on Chile for expats-in 25 words??

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 06:56 PM (XaTzU)

177 "The sanctions are all by executive order or by legislation passed in
2010 or earlier that gives the president wide latitude to deal with Iran
as he sees fit."

Pretty much, yeah.

Congress didn't think that a genuine America hater could ever be elected president.

I am impressed how Obamao does get Congress to vote on shiite that he is going to do anyway. Makes it look like he has more support than he actually does by getting the pols to vote party line.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 06:56 PM (NaeCR)

178 I'm having an optimistic day. We're in the reign of Jimmah Carter II: Electric Bugaloo, we're again all worried about a nuclear threat, and Bloom County is back.

That all points, hopefully, to a Reaganesque figure appearing soon. I hope.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 15, 2015 06:56 PM (nL0sw)

179 (Climbs up to the soap box, holding a giant sign) **clears throat** and starts yelling... "REPENT!!! THE END IS NIGH UPON US!!! REPENT!!!! CAST OUT SATAN AND SAVE YOUR SOUL!!! REPENT!!!" Too much???
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 15, 2015 06:53 PM (xVgrA)

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Are you wearing burlap?

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 06:56 PM (P25Hh)

180 Hungry people get more religious. Soon the churches will be full again.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:58 PM (wkuqO)

181 >>> 153 Ace Johnson is right!
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 15, 2015 06:49 PM (oVJmc)

Indeed Pappy O'Daniel Johnson, though he is Irish, is RIGHT, as well, when he speaks of Ace Johnson!

After all, who can argue with what Ace said? I think we're all indebted to Ace Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particularly glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.

What are we made of? Our fathers came across the prairies, fought Indians, fought drought, fought locusts, fought Dix... remember when Richard Dix came in here and tried to take over this town? Well, we didn't give up then, and by gum, we're not going to give up now!

Posted by: Olson Johnson at July 15, 2015 06:59 PM (2mJMN)

182 Just popping in, trying to stay off the news to stay sane, but I had to share this. My 18 year old daughter just told me she doesn't want to live on this planet, wow! She said, Mom, do our tax dollars fund planned parenthood, I said unfortunately yes. She didn't understand how that is possible sigh... she was horrified about the recent story about selling baby parts and abortion in general. She asked what can I do, I said, educate yourself, share facts with your girlfriends and vote for the right people. Not sure whether to be proud of her or absolutely devastated about her lack of hope.

Posted by: spypeach at July 15, 2015 06:59 PM (KTiWT)

183 161 So I have a lawn chair and binocs to sit back and watch the burning until it gets to my block.

That's what he says the binocs are for.
Posted by: the blonde living next door to "just saying" at July 15, 2015 06:52 PM (O3ybu)

Chewie, check if there are any more binocs on the ship...feeding on the power couplings...

Posted by: Han Solo at July 15, 2015 06:59 PM (j2FM9)

184 Olson Johnson is right!

Posted by: Tobias Johnson at July 15, 2015 06:59 PM (rwI+c)

185 From a re-read of Ace's article the Smart People on the Left are saying that the "consent of the governed" is a manufactured fallacy just as they always thought back in the Sixties. If that is currently a truth, then I say they have worked long and hard to make it happen.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 07:00 PM (ry4ab)

186 Well, we didn't give up then, and by gum, we're not going to give up now!
Posted by: Olson Johnson at July 15, 2015 06:59 PM (2mJMN)

I don't know who has given up, some are waiting for the fight to start.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:00 PM (wkuqO)

187 Hungry people get more religious. Soon the churches will be full again.
Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:58 PM (wkuqO)

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For whatever good it will do. Churches are becoming the HQ for the local social justice leagues.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:01 PM (P25Hh)

188 done reading the post
now tell us how you really feel

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at July 15, 2015 07:01 PM (h60KL)

189 You're not really a radical you're just mad.

You willing to take action?

Posted by: Dropkick at July 15, 2015 07:01 PM (BI/fB)

190 ICBMs? That sucks. I really thought Barry was counting on them building primitive weapons that would only be capable of reaching Israel, because naturally the narcissistic shit would never endanger himself. Maybe he's too stupid to realize the risk this poses to us?

Posted by: Dr. Strangepotus at July 15, 2015 07:02 PM (6qR/9)

191 For whatever good it will do. Churches are becoming the HQ for the local social justice leagues.
Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:01 PM (P25Hh)

Point made and taken.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:02 PM (wkuqO)

192 82--- Um, you are confusing Jewish Americans --- whose "homeland," BTW, is the USA --- with Israelis.

Of course Israelis (right, left, and center) hate this deal.
So do all of the victims of Iranian terrorism. Who wants the thugs to get billions of dollars to finance firing rockets into Israel, killing US Marines, or blowing up social centers in Buenos Aires?
Supporting terrorist war in Iraq and Yemen is costly.
Now, Obama wants to hand over 150 BILLION.

And, as someone already said, Iran doesn't need ICBMs to hit Israel. They need them to hit Europe and US.
They also don't need terror cells in Latin America to hurt Israel.

This isn't about Joooos. If Israel didn't exist it would still be a horrible, horrible deal.
We are propping up and financing a terror state.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 15, 2015 07:02 PM (cN9Sk)

193 So, the movie sucked?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 07:02 PM (NaeCR)

194
btw, anyone else notice you're not hearing obama described as a "lame duck?"

That's pretty significant, you know. I mean, here's a president in his last half of his last term with a Congress in the opposition's control and he is not at all considered a lame duck.

Usually this phrase is heard quite often at this stage. But everything different with obama. Plus, it seems he's never been more powerful, especially since the R's are openly colluding with him. This is a dangerous time in our nation's history. Nothing is normal, anymore. This is the New Normal and it's abnormal and all wrong.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:03 PM (wHFQT)

195 179 Didn't Charlton Heston die a while back?

Posted by: Liliana at July 15, 2015 07:03 PM (A3uny)

196 A few days ago, someone on the blog made a remark something along the lines of "Oh, yeah. Well you just wait until the feds start selling off all that land they just grabbed to pay off debt".

At the time, I snickered and read on. (Comments only. Been here long enough to know not to admit to reading actual content) Anyway, the thought of giving away or selling land for debt has been bugging me.

Stupid question, does mineral deposits, etc ever come into play when the government does their land grabs or is it strictly parks and wildlife?

Posted by: Usedtocould at July 15, 2015 07:03 PM (bYwuM)

197 190 ICBMs? That sucks. I really thought Barry was counting on them building primitive weapons that would only be capable of reaching Israel, because naturally the narcissistic shit would never endanger himself. Maybe he's too stupid to realize the risk this poses to us?
Posted by: Dr. Strangepotus at July 15, 2015 07:02 PM (6qR/9)

Obama saw their camel cannon. You know where they put some shot in a camel's mouth and then smash his balls on a stump.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:04 PM (wkuqO)

198 Hungry people get more religious. Soon the churches will be full again

I feel I have compassion for people, but don't really want the churches to be filled if it means that they have no staying power and depart again after things get better. Churches were filled after 9/11. It didn't last.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:04 PM (OSs/l)

199 I don't understand the Himalayas being a problem. They are what 29,000 feet max?
Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 06:43 PM

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The very first ICBM, the V-2, would not have had a problem with the Himalayas. I'm sure he just had a momentary brain-gas moment.

I'm having one now!

*smiles at camera*

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 07:04 PM (ToMYd)

200 Orange and Turtle have power only because GOP Conservatives make it so.

They need to come home.

The game is rigged.

Stop playing.

Get up and leave.

I welcome ace to our group, by the way.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 07:04 PM (MQEz6)

201 190 ICBMs? That sucks. I really thought Barry was counting on them building primitive weapons that would only be capable of reaching Israel, because naturally the narcissistic shit would never endanger himself. Maybe he's too stupid to realize the risk this poses to us?
Posted by: Dr. Strangepotus at July 15, 2015 07:02 PM (6qR/9)

He's got all sorts of high-tech shelters he can be spirited away to when the SHTF.

I also suspect that he might get a "heads up".

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 07:05 PM (sdi6R)

202 It's funny because it's true...
http://tinyurl.com/pf87wcu

[JPG link]

Posted by: andycanuck at July 15, 2015 07:05 PM (kivUY)

203 You willing to take action?

Who's asking?

Posted by: at July 15, 2015 07:05 PM (H1SkR)

204 I saw a headline at vox on how only obama could've pulled off this wonderful Iran deal. I can't bring myself to read it. Can someone please do so and report the funniest lines?

Posted by: Dr. Strangepotus at July 15, 2015 07:05 PM (6qR/9)

205 >>> Mickey!

Please--- your take on Chile for expats-in 25 words??
Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 06:56 PM (XaTzU)

Fairly isolated from most military conflicts (exc. Falklands v. 2.0), no current border problems, a little earthquake-prone, but manageable. Economically, still considered Emerging Markets. Keep in mind, it's next to Argentina and Kray-Kray Queen Kristina.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma, soon from an undisclosed non-US location at July 15, 2015 07:06 PM (2mJMN)

206 Churches are becoming the HQ for the local social justice leagues.

Depends on the particular church. But then the bible always does talk about a faithful remnant.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:06 PM (OSs/l)

207 Reading Ace say he no longer believes in America is the saddest thing I've seen all day.

In the beginning, Rome was not loved because it was great, it was loved to greatness. You could say the same of a child. Our children need us to continue loving our country, a country not of blood or soil, but of precious ideas.

A young Peter Schramm, growing up in Hungary, once asked his father, "Where are we going?"
"We are going to America," he said.
"Why America?" I prodded.
"Because, Son. We were born Americans, but in the wrong place."

Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at July 15, 2015 07:07 PM (SLtDh)

208 177
"The sanctions are all by executive order or by legislation passed in

2010 or earlier that gives the president wide latitude to deal with Iran

as he sees fit."

Pretty much, yeah.

Congress didn't think that a genuine America hater could ever be elected president.
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That is pretty much the basis for our current misery, yeah. The Bastard In Chief hates the nation, hates its power and wealth and glory more than we patriots can imagine, and he is doing all the damage he can, while he can.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 07:07 PM (ry4ab)

209 btw, anyone else notice you're not hearing obama described as a "lame duck?" That's pretty significant, you know. I mean, here's a president in his last half of his last term with a Congress in the opposition's control and he is not at all considered a lame duck. Usually this phrase is heard quite often at this stage. But everything different with obama. Plus, it seems he's never been more powerful, especially since the R's are openly colluding with him. This is a dangerous time in our nation's history. Nothing is normal, anymore. This is the New Normal and it's abnormal and all wrong.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:03 PM (wHFQT)

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You're right, and it's scary shit. Also, has anyone ever confirmed why he's in constant fundraising mode?

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:07 PM (P25Hh)

210
Orange and Turtle have power only because GOP Conservatives make it so.

They need to come home.

The game is rigged.

Stop playing.

Get up and leave.

I welcome ace to our group, by the way.

And I cannot believe that idiot Republican-Stockholm-Victim-Voters are about to send another one to Washington.

Lahood winning the primary, and winning big, just befuddles me. STOP VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:07 PM (wHFQT)

211 Okay, I guess the V-2 wasn't an ICBM but the ballistic part is the relevant thing here.

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 07:08 PM (ToMYd)

212
In response to the destruction of Miami by a nuclear weapon of suspected Iranian origin, Mitch McConnell declared that the Republican majority would show their deep displeasure with President Obama's foreign policy by delaying the confirmation hearing on his appointment for US Ambassador to Ecuador until after the Easter recess.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 07:09 PM (kdS6q)

213
I'm most happy when we are talking about dying from a giant meteror, lava, tsunami.

I'm not happy when we talk about dying b/c of some asshole muslims in the WH giving a wink and a nod to their buddies in Iran.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 07:10 PM (iQIUe)

214 >>Ace is wrong about the Corker deal. The Iran deal is not a treaty; it was never going to come before the Senate for a vote as a treaty.

>>The sanctions are all by executive order or by legislation passed in 2010 or earlier that gives the president wide latitude to deal with Iran as he sees fit.

>>The Senate could sue the president and try to prove this is really a treaty, I guess. I hope they do. But Corker's bill did not do what Ace claims it did.

Been saying this for a long time but not seeming to get through. It's already being reported that it will be voted on by the UN Security Council next week. If the other parties in SC agree to the draft then it's a done deal no matter what the Senate does.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 07:10 PM (OGm46)

215 Unfortunate.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at July 15, 2015 07:10 PM (TZYqp)

216 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 07:09 PM (kdS6q)

Really? Man that is some real tough payback there. I didn't know he was so manly.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:10 PM (wkuqO)

217 So obama is giving a speech in OK as I type these very words.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 07:10 PM (iQIUe)

218 Obama got all "that'll be just about enough outta you, young man," when confronted about the hostages by Major Garrett.

Fuck, he didn't even try to get them out. He said that they weren't part of the "nuclear" negotiations (just like the last minute cherry on the cake concessions for ballistic missile tech).

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (BZAd3)

219 In response to the destruction of Miami by a nuclear weapon of suspected Iranian origin, Mitch McConnell declared that the Republican majority would show their deep displeasure with President Obama's foreign policy by delaying the confirmation hearing on his appointment for US Ambassador to Ecuador until after the Easter recess.

On the brightside, 12 new dams in Kentucky!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (rwI+c)

220 Start a "Get Up and Go Home" campaign aimed at Conservative Reps and Senators.

Just leave Washington.

Return to your State and address the State Legislature.

Tell them the Republic is dead.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (MQEz6)

221 Fairly isolated from most military conflicts (exc. Falklands v. 2.0), no
current border problems, a little earthquake-prone, but manageable.
Economically, still considered Emerging Markets. Keep in mind, it's next
to Argentina and Kray-Kray Queen Kristina.

Thanks!

It has been on my short list for a while: comparatively gun-friendly , varied dry climate, wine country, beaches and most important, mountains to disappear into.

The Argentines could lose a hell of a lotta troops in Patagonia!

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (XaTzU)

222 In response to the destruction of Miami by a nuclear weapon of suspected Iranian origin, Mitch McConnell declared that the Republican majority would show their deep displeasure with President Obama's foreign policy by delaying the confirmation hearing on his appointment for US Ambassador to Ecuador until after the Easter recess.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

Herrrrr de derrrrrrr...Republikkkans r shuttin' down the government again.

Posted by: LIV at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (rVQpn)

223 I wish I didn't believe all of this, but I do.

Posted by: Tommy V at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (NBoRH)

224
In response to the destruction of Miami by a nuclear weapon of suspected Iranian origin, Mitch McConnell declared that the Republican majority would show their deep displeasure with President Obama's foreign policy by threatening to delay~~ing~~ the confirmation hearing on his appointment for US Ambassador to Ecuador until after the Easter recess.

Adjusted.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (wHFQT)

225 Just read that there is a sequel of To Kill a Mockingbird coming out.

WHYYYYYYYYYY?

And, in the sequel, the hero Atticus Finch that we all know and love, is replaced by an old, white racist. Thanks, Harper Lee.

Why is everything from my childhood ruined? Why is one of the most perfect books in the history of literature being ruined by a pointless sequel 55 years later?

Posted by: TickledPink at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (adaac)

226 >>> 184 Olson Johnson is right!
Posted by: Tobias Johnson at July 15, 2015 06:59 PM (rwI+c)

Rehr-rehr!!

Posted by: Gabby Johnson at July 15, 2015 07:12 PM (2mJMN)

227 Reading Ace say he no longer believes in America is the saddest thing I've seen all day. In the beginning, Rome was not loved because it was great, it was loved to greatness. You could say the same of a child. Our children need us to continue loving our country, a country not of blood or soil, but of precious ideas. A young Peter Schramm, growing up in Hungary, once asked his father, "Where are we going?" "We are going to America," he said. "Why America?" I prodded. "Because, Son. We were born Americans, but in the wrong place."
Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at July 15, 2015 07:07 PM (SLtDh)

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The ideas of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution pulse strongly in my veins. But the idea of America, as we've known it, is fading faster than a winter twilight.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:12 PM (P25Hh)

228 Why is one of the most perfect books in the history of literature

Let's not go overboard here. It's an okay story, written at an interesting time by an interesting author.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:13 PM (rwI+c)

229 Sad to say.....I agree that we have lost SO much in the past 8 - 10 years. And....like the frog in warm water.......we just snooze while it goes.

Obama is playing a 'run out the clock' game; the next prez will have multiple messes to sort out while Obama and his minions tell us how great he is.

I, too, have given up that my vote means anything.

Posted by: Bonnie at July 15, 2015 07:13 PM (N8McG)

230 and interestingly, Go Set a Watchman was written before To Kill a Mockingbird.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:14 PM (rwI+c)

231
Republicans have conceded ALL their Congressional power. I..I...I...I don't know what to say.

Who does this??

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:14 PM (wHFQT)

232
Minimal orbiting altitude is around 110 MILES.
Posted by: Soona

ICBMs, FOBS aside, don't orbit. Parabolic trajectory baby.

Maximum altitude of 750 miles or so.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 07:14 PM (kdS6q)

233 "If the other parties in SC agree to the draft then it's a done deal no matter what the Senate does."

Which means that it is not a law. Not a US law, anyway.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 15, 2015 07:15 PM (JgC5a)

234 It is a treaty.

It ends an old relationship and starts a new one.

This is exactly the kind of agreement that demands to be treated as a treaty because Iran is an enemy nation and has been one for decades.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 07:15 PM (MQEz6)

235 Soothsayer:

Why are you befuddled about LaHood?

all politics is local. And many local politics is inbred.

Dude, Flynn had no $$, no name recognition, and it was structured to fuck him over.

He was dead man walking all day. This takes time. At least a few cycles. With such a low turnout %, fuck, the question becomes how many family members you know in the district.

Flynn and Ace, et al, did very very well given the circumstances.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 15, 2015 07:15 PM (q5APL)

236 "Because, Son. We were born Americans, but in the wrong place."
Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at July 15, 2015 07:07 PM

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I like that. I consider myself a lottery winner of sorts that my ancestors made the trip across the pond.

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 07:16 PM (ToMYd)

237 You ignorant, paranoid gringos have nothing to fear from Iranian ICBMs. Simply duck and cover beneath your desks, and you will be completely shielded from the radiation.

Posted by: Katherine Archuleta, nuclear physicist at July 15, 2015 07:16 PM (6qR/9)

238
obama is king.
And 5, sometimes 6, Justices are his henchmen.
Congress is now irrelevant; only serving their own interests.

This is the USA??

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:16 PM (wHFQT)

239 186
Well, we didn't give up then, and by gum, we're not going to give up now!

Posted by: Olson Johnson at July 15, 2015 06:59 PM (2mJMN)

I don't know who has given up, some are waiting for the fight to start.
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More truth than not. A lot of people don't want to get the guns out, but they have them, and are waiting for everything to go sideways. Then it will be time to get the USA we remember again. For me, the coastal and inland Blue Zones are already lost. Everything else can be saved.

If Ace is isn't recommending books, I would like to put in a motion for Heinlein's pre-hippy books: Tunnel in the Sky and Farnham's Freehold in particular. Also Niven and Pournelle's "Lucifer's Hammer" and "Fallen Angels". It won't be an easy ride, but we and ours can make it. And we'll make it while the unfortunate souls who looked to D.C. instead of God starve, or eat each other.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 07:16 PM (ry4ab)

240 231
Republicans have conceded ALL their Congressional power. I..I...I...I don't know what to say.

Who does this??

The Roman Senate did it. The idea is everyone wants to be Caesar one day, so they all conspire to give the current one more power.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:16 PM (j2FM9)

241 Which means that it is not a law. Not a US law, anyway.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 15, 2015 07:15 PM (JgC5a)

Clinton got the fast track treaty deal too. It is still the law and 'merica was recently sued to remove country of origin on food packages. Won it in world court. Clinton a gift that keeps giving.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:17 PM (wkuqO)

242 Don't read The "new" Harper Lee Novel. Nobody says you have to. Nobody says you have to read any reviews of it either. I enjoyed TKAM. I don't need anything else from Harper Lee.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:18 PM (OSs/l)

243 We're boned.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at July 15, 2015 07:18 PM (rwI+c)

244 234 It is a treaty.

It ends an old relationship and starts a new one.

This is exactly the kind of agreement that demands to be treated as a treaty because Iran is an enemy nation and has been one for decades.

Do we even recognize the government of Iran?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:19 PM (j2FM9)

245 243 We're boned.
Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at July 15, 2015 07:18 PM (rwI+c)

Can you make that a cigar?

Posted by: Monica at July 15, 2015 07:19 PM (wkuqO)

246 > does mineral deposits, etc ever come into play when the government does their land grabs or is it strictly parks and wildlife?

Surface rights can be bought, sold or leased separately from mineral rights. So it's possible to buy land, but not own the rights to anything underground (or any combination you can make of buy/sell/lease/surface/belowground...) In the arid West, former owners retaining water rights can really screw up future use for buyers.

Posted by: surveyor guy out there someplace in big square states at July 15, 2015 07:20 PM (pvdAA)

247 ICBMs, FOBS aside, don't orbit. Parabolic trajectory baby.Maximum altitude of 750 miles or so.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 07:14 PM (kdS6q)

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Just rebutting a claim made earlier by a commenter that ICBMs might have difficulty getting over 29000' mountains.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:20 PM (P25Hh)

248 I don't need anything else from Harper Lee.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:18 PM

For the life of me, I thought Harper Lee was dead.

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at July 15, 2015 07:20 PM (DfoOQ)

249
I dunno. I think the only smart move we have right now, and y'all won't like it but, is to support Bernie Sanders.

Once clinton wins the nom, it's over.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:20 PM (wHFQT)

250 Y would anybody wanna kill a mockingbird? U stoopid reichwingers & your hunting fetish.

Posted by: LIV at July 15, 2015 07:21 PM (rVQpn)

251 Do we even recognize the government of Iran?
He's the asshole standing over there by the fountain being blown by John Kerry.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 15, 2015 07:21 PM (kivUY)

252 @228

I think it may be a generational thing. And, maybe even a gender one.

All my friends (and myself of course) LOVE TKAM And, now that I think about it, I don't remember my guy friends loving it as much as we did/do.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 15, 2015 07:21 PM (adaac)

253 Thanks Ace - that's exactly what I've been trying to explain to my 13 year old since the deal was finalized.

Apparently Tom Cotton is the only spine we have in the entire Senate. Would someone tell me why Cruz blew this?

I think to teach my son what conscience is - I'll "write in" a vote for Sen. Cotton. It won't stop the Israeli's from getting toasted, but this IS the reason I'm done with the Vichy GOP.

Posted by: GBruno at July 15, 2015 07:22 PM (u49WF)

254 A little late to this topic, but... I mean, what are we supposed to do about any of this? I know ace is just venting, but I don't see any way to change the current trajectory of anything in our society and government.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 15, 2015 07:22 PM (AkOaV)

255 For the life of me, I thought Harper Lee was dead.

She's in a nursing home. I don't think she's in good shape. Somebody found this earlier novel, I believe.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:22 PM (OSs/l)

256 Y would anybody wanna kill a mockingbird? U stoopid reichwingers your hunting fetish.
Posted by: LIV at July 15, 2015 07:21 PM

Pfft. Can't even carry a coconut.

Posted by: Arthur, King of the Britons at July 15, 2015 07:22 PM (YCSaf)

257 >>Which means that it is not a law. Not a US law, anyway.

Never was, not completely. It was an international sanctions agreement negotiated by the P5 + 1 which is the UN SC plus Germany. The only reason the sanctions were effective is because everyone was playing.

If the other members of the SC, the same P5 + 1 who have been in on these negotiations, vote yea then it doesn't really matter if the Senate votes to veto it, does it?

We'd be the only country agreeing to sanctions.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 07:22 PM (OGm46)

258

Harper Lee is not dead??

And he's not a he??

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:23 PM (wHFQT)

259 >>> Thanks!

No prob, glad to help!

>>> It has been on my short list for a while: comparatively gun-friendly , varied dry climate, wine country, beaches and most important, mountains to disappear into.

Yep, a particularly favourite Shabbat/Sabbath wine of mine is the Chilean Terroso Chardonnay. Pretty good!

>>> The Argentines could lose a hell of a lotta troops in Patagonia!

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 07:11 PM (XaTzU)

They nearly had a dustup back in 1978, and by the looks of the terrain in the movie "Mi Mejor Enemigo" centering around that situation, you're likely correct!

Here's a link to IMDb's writeup on the movie, BTW: http://tinyurl.com/yfelyh5

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma, soon from an undisclosed non-US location at July 15, 2015 07:23 PM (2mJMN)

260 Chomsky was always right (ish, some of the details are clumsy enough to indicate he didn't really care) about the process, and wrong (and not accidentally) about the culprits (sort of - there are many culprits).

The ground-level left, largely ignorant of history and the details of the workings of the world, have a bogeyman that serves them in almost all circumstances - the Eebul Corporation. It is the ultimate villain of nearly every movie and television show, it is the constant fear in their lives, it is the Dread That Never Dies.

The Eebul Corporation's money overpowers the military, courts, police, prisons, and legal power of the government, inexplicably. And even when the government shuts down, disadvantages, or rips off a corporation, it was always because of a greater bribe, or some other nefarious, corporate reason.

Sure, corporations bribe governments all the time - or, if you want to look at it another way, pay protection money to government mafioso.

It's the almost lone exception to the left's Power Politics Dynamic, where the one who has power over the other is the Villain - unless that one is a government, in which case it is the victim, even if its boot is on your throat.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 07:23 PM (bLnSU)

261 She's in a nursing home. I don't think she's in good shape. Somebody found this earlier novel, I believe.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:22 PM

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Ah. Okay, that explains a few things. Thanks

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 07:24 PM (YCSaf)

262 Reading trumps press release on his fec forms, "these forms were not written for a man of Trumps wealth," made me smile.

Posted by: traye at July 15, 2015 07:24 PM (xlQzy)

263 >>It is a treaty.

It's also a Tax.

...and a Ceiling Wax!

Posted by: Justice Roberts at July 15, 2015 07:24 PM (ObBZL)

264 @255

It just feels like....some lefty loon found this and said, "Hey what do white people love? To Kill a Mockingbird. Let's ruin it for them."

Posted by: TickledPink at July 15, 2015 07:24 PM (adaac)

265 Turning off the computer for the day for purposes of mental health.

--After reading the post, I feel I should do the same. Well, at least I have booze to help with that. (Yeah, a few hours ago I wrote that I was staying dry tonight, but personal shit came up.)

Posted by: logprof at July 15, 2015 07:25 PM (DZ9EG)

266 123 In before Huck/Akin shits up the thread.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 15, 2015 06:42 PM (xSCb6)

Noam Chomsky is 1/1000 the awfulness of the typical socon.

Posted by: Mr. Moot Mute at July 15, 2015 07:25 PM (EHU9F)

267 Pfft. Can't even carry a coconut.
Posted by: Arthur, King of the Britons

Well an African mockingbird can, but then they're nonmigratory.

Posted by: Guard on the castle wall at July 15, 2015 07:26 PM (rVQpn)

268 A little late to this topic, but... I mean, what are we supposed to do about any of this? I know ace is just venting, but I don't see any way to change the current trajectory of anything in our society and government.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 15, 2015 07:22 PM (AkOaV)

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There are ways yet to do it as our founding fathers foresaw. But people still have to much comfort and ease to attempt it.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:26 PM (P25Hh)

269 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 07:23 PM (bLnSU)

Yeah, one of my gripes with the left is I know they're being dishonest. The reason they're blaming "corporations" and not "governments" even though its clear that government is the problem, is because their solution involves fewer corporations and more government.

But either way, it amazes me that both sides of the political spectrum can see a problem with our current political situation, yet nothing ever changes.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 15, 2015 07:26 PM (AkOaV)

270 Everyone should be skeptical about the donuts.

Posted by: Ariana Grandouche at July 15, 2015 07:26 PM (Dwehj)

271 You think Obama is in OK to collect $$$ from the Indian casinos? Sure sounds like it.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 07:26 PM (iQIUe)

272
I watched the first ep of the new season of Falling Skies.

Mason said something I liked: Fuck this shit; I'm done with merely surviving. I want my life and country back.

That's why I'm done with the Republicans. I'm done voting for the Not-A-Democrat. I will only vote for a conservative who will TAKE BACK what was taken by the Left, not merely manage the world the Left created for us.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:27 PM (wHFQT)

273 As I understand it, and I live fairly close to Monroeville, Lee wrote this story first, and it contains references back to the events of TKAMB. The publish told her that the backstory seemed more interesting and sellable than this one, so she went back and fleshed out TKAMB.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:27 PM (rwI+c)

274 Everything ace just said is bullshit!

Posted by: Bart Stupak at July 15, 2015 07:28 PM (wHAYQ)

275 246 Surveyor guy

Thanks for the response. Just curious as here in Texas Gov. Perry and Abbott have tangled with the feds regarding grabbing private land in and around the Red River.

The fed must lock up the mineral and surface rights to property. Like I said, curious as to how and why they pick the land they want to claim.

Posted by: Usedtocould at July 15, 2015 07:28 PM (bYwuM)

276 Democrats and libturds and most of the Republicants live in LaLa Land. The Iranians are gonna build a workable bomb and the Israelis are gonna blow them to hell. Obozos plan all along to light the tinderbox, blame the Jews for starting the war then backing away and staying on the sidelines until the Jews are wiped out. But don't bet on it baby...the IDF ain't no easy win.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 15, 2015 07:28 PM (JG47A)

277 Looks like ace is going full Chomsky.

Never go full Chomsky.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 15, 2015 07:29 PM (Cv3j4)

278 There are ways yet to do it as our founding fathers foresaw. But people still have to much comfort and ease to attempt it.
Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:26 PM (P25Hh)

Look, let's be real here. There will never be any kind of populist revolt against the government.

...This is what the reality we have to live with.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 15, 2015 07:29 PM (AkOaV)

279 The upside of this?

Every country now knows they are on their own and can not trust the USA for their protection.

This means they will have to start pulling their own weight, aka spending money on defense. Japan is the first of these that has had a free ride for 70 years. That's over.

UK and Europe. You are on your own. Pay for your welfare and months of vacation. Just make sure you learn Russian on that vacation.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 15, 2015 07:29 PM (0FSuD)

280 Welcome to my world.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 15, 2015 07:29 PM (x3GpS)

281 I just farted.

Posted by: Joe! Biden at July 15, 2015 07:31 PM (DZ9EG)

282 There will never be any kind of populist revolt against the government.

But there can be a 10th Amendment revolt. The States have always been our only hope. Some state, or confederation of states, as it were, need to reject the bribes and demands of the Feds.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:31 PM (rwI+c)

283 Look, let's be real here. There will never be any kind of populist revolt against the government.

...This is what the reality we have to live with.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 15, 2015 07:29 PM (AkOaV)

Not once ever in recorded history.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 07:31 PM (NaeCR)

284 We have crossed the Event Horizon of stupidity, cowardice, and apathy, and there is no turning back. We're screwed.

Posted by: Keir Dullea at July 15, 2015 07:32 PM (6qR/9)

285 Posted by: TickledPink at July 15, 2015 07:24 PM (adaac)

In don't know about that. I don't think it was a manufactured effort, but some people seem to want to use it as another reason to talk about racism because Atticus turned out to be a bigot apparently.

All this stuff (political/moral) is very discouraging. I would encourage you to just take time off from any politics. Get off the board here. Turn off the T.V. Don't look at the papers. I don't do it enough. but when i do itt feels great. Read books you really enjoy and always have. Spend time with people you love. Do things you like to do which make you
happy. Enjoy the outdoors. if you're a spiritual person pray, spend time in silence, read the Scriptures. listen to music you enjoy. Get recharged in those ways you need to.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:32 PM (OSs/l)

286 Peace in our time! And our time appears to be very short.

Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 15, 2015 07:32 PM (Dwehj)

287 My guess is that Obama is destroying US sovereignty, just as the EU has been doing in Europe. The top tables are supranational. Democracy is purely theatrical, and has been so for decades. This is what drives them. There is a new game, and they all want in. To them we are either quaint anachronisms or thorns in their side. Either way, there is no significant difference between how any of them regard us. They have turned on us, and made us into enemies.

Posted by: Feh at July 15, 2015 07:32 PM (Uk9e2)

288 Once sanctions are lifted and the oil money rolls in, Iran will modernize their conventional forces while they finish their nukes. We're finished being a major player in that region. Nobody will trust us. The other gulf states will arm up accordingly and that's that. We may as well move 5th Fleet HQ to Diego Garcia.

Chinese, Russian, French, and UK arms dealers will make a killing on this.

Posted by: CDR M at July 15, 2015 07:33 PM (TWXpK)

289 Some state politicians are going to see it in their interest to stand up. If they are smart, it will be with sadness more than anger that they reject the DoE dollars and educational mandates.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:33 PM (rwI+c)

290 Why would you trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 one mile away. -- as close as my memory takes me.

Posted by: the Patriot at July 15, 2015 07:34 PM (wkuqO)

291 Like most people, I live somewhere between approval and rejection of the total destruction of everything good and decent in the world.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 15, 2015 07:34 PM (qyomX)

292 I will ask again because it bears repeating - does anyone seriously believe we're going to vote our way out of this? This shit is going to continue until the whole fucking mess flies apart. I don't know whether to be sickened at the loss or relieved by not having to fret about it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 15, 2015 07:34 PM (e3bId)

293 The newly "found" novel ostensibly by Harper Lee?

Fake, phony, fraud.

Every icon, shibboleth, closely held belief, foundational ideology, heroes, heroines, and any other fundamental idea held by those who learned and still remember history and philosophy.

Will be destroyed, perverted, changed, despised, deconstructed, enveloped, covered over and otherwise taken from them.

Fundamental. Change. America.

You agreed to it. You demanded it. Now suck on it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (x3GpS)

294
Revolt?

Holy cats, do you how many times I've suggested a march on Washington and the response I most often get is: We have jobs!!

We can't even muster the will to assemble and march for a day at our nation's capitol, and you think there'll be a revolt?!?!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (wHFQT)

295 On the other hand, most of the methodological work in modern linguistics can be defined in such a way as to impose a corpus of utterance tokens upon which conformity has been defined by the paired utterance test. Notice, incidentally, that the natural general principle that will subsume this case does not readily tolerate a general convention regarding the forms of the grammar. With this clarification, the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction delimits an important distinction in language use. To provide a constituent structure for T(Z,K), the descriptive power of the base component appears to correlate rather closely with an abstract underlying order. Nevertheless, this selectionally introduced contextual feature may remedy and, at the same time, eliminate nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory.

Posted by: Chomskybot at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (EHU9F)

296 I was marvelous at the negotiating table. At the end of each day, I had a smile on my face and a load in my pants.

Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (Dwehj)

297 @273

I understand this. But, no matter how legitimate, new material, decades later, rarely works out. It almost always ruins things.

I know this because the Star Wars prequels happened. George Lucas told us the events of the prequels had to happen in order for the original trilogy to make sense. He said the prequels' story was always written in his mind, so it is as canon as anything else. I don't care if the plot/writing/direction was given to George Lucas by the Lord himself, it nearly destroyed the franchise.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 15, 2015 07:36 PM (adaac)

298 295 Posted by: Chomskybot at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (EHU9F)

This is one of those "how far can you make it before bailing" tests, like Chelsea/McCartney or a London Boys video, right? I guess I failed this one.

Posted by: Splunge at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (qyomX)

299 >>My guess is that Obama is destroying US sovereignty, just as the EU has been doing in Europe.

That and making sure he takes us down a peg or two whenever possible. Socialism is never about raising the bottom up, it's about lowering the top.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (OGm46)

300 Chileans know that Argentina is a basket case and its people are seriously f*cked up.

I don't know of a situation where Chile was directly affected by what Argentina did ( never saw evidence that the Falklands war affected Chile, for example )

them Andes mountains screen off a lot of sh*t. Apparently, so does that river, as Uruguay seems to be doing fine-- and in some ways benefits from Argentina being so F*cked

Posted by: James Joyce, dead Irishman at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (8CdUx)

301 "This shit is going to continue until the whole fucking mess flies apart."

That is usually the way it goes.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (NaeCR)

302 I looked, and behold, a pale horse; and his name that sat on him was Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.

Posted by: KJV at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (fUjxW)

303 Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (wHFQT)

You and i could always march together. ;^) I've suggested it too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (OSs/l)

304 I live in Portland ,Oregon I hope the big one fuckin comes. I'll be the only one riding the Max.

Posted by: gene kelly at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (RF62P)

305
What exactly did obama have Kerry negotiate, anyway?

I mean, how hard did Kerry have to twist the mullahs' arms to take Yes for an answer for everything they wanted?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (wHFQT)

306 I believe the country had ceded to the international community instead of our own interests.

i believe they are the ones with a voice while our s are being openly stifled and threatened.
there must be more to this than protecting The legacy of the First Black President. I believe that like everything else is smoke being blown up my rear.

That we have Both parties rolling over on the people.. and even those standing shoulder to shoulder with Them at this time, that now the DOD The DOJ, the IRS, The Scotus, Media have all committed to chaos is interesting if not frightening .
I would like to know why.

but i bet i will go to my grave with deafening silence from our leadership.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (nqBYe)

307 231

Republicans have conceded ALL their Congressional power. I..I...I...I don't know what to say.

Who does this??
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As Churchill said, and was later quoted by Tom Clancy, "the sum of all their fears." They are out of gas, plans, and ideas. No big sellout or big failure, they are tired of opposing a president who doesn't play by the rules because to him the rule have no meaning. Instead of Calvinball it's Obamaball, and winning means unmaking the USA. They know they are in a losing political game unless they deliberately shut Obummer down and burn all the political capital to make him lose. The struggle would be worth it, but...

The long term GOP pols are out of touch with their political base, and a little embarrassed at dealing with the plain-speaking folks back home. They aren't part of the blogosphere, so they don't understand how to use the Net to really understand what people really think, instead of the nightly news and cable news which has long ago chosen sides against them. Obummer faced them down in '13 and they blinked. So they are just waiting for 2016, not understanding that a holding action is considered a defeat in the real world.

The younger GOP pols who haven't been in the game as long are still trying, but they are being turned into replacements for the older ones because D.C. tends to do that.

And as a poster above said, no GOP member in Congress could predict the day when an American president would be deliberately injuring his own country, and I may add, while the universities and news media and unions and bums and guilty liberals of all stripes cheer him on. It's one thing to play the political game, but it's another when President Stompyfoot says "my way or no way". And they are not ready to be like the Long Parliament and say "the other way, your tyrannical Majesty".

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (ry4ab)

308 Fuck that White House negro!

Posted by: Atticus Finch at July 15, 2015 07:38 PM (DZ9EG)

309 Comrades, do you question that having every general be a tranny makes us the most effective military in the world?

Posted by: prescient11 at July 15, 2015 07:38 PM (q5APL)

310 305 I mean, how hard did Kerry have to twist the mullahs' arms to take Yes for an answer for everything they wanted?

You people are just so naive about what really happens at these negotiations, behind the scenes.

Posted by: John Kerry at July 15, 2015 07:38 PM (qyomX)

311 298 This is one of those "how far can you make it before bailing" tests, like Chelsea/McCartney or a London Boys video, right? I guess I failed this one.

Posted by: Splunge at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (qyomX)

Heh. Check the link in the sig and the further "What is this all about?" and "How does it work?" links from there.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at July 15, 2015 07:39 PM (EHU9F)

312 You think Obama is in OK to collect $$$ from the Indian casinos? Sure sounds like it.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 07:26 PM (iQIUe)

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He's going to proudly announce a very large fed prison release program and/or start pushing for active prisoners' right to vote.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:39 PM (P25Hh)

313 (continued)

Most of the negotiation was getting them to agree to spend time with my supercilious faux-Brahmin way of talking, and my horse face. Once we won that one, the rest didn't really matter.

Posted by: John Kerry at July 15, 2015 07:39 PM (qyomX)

314 Oh yeah, my lovelies... welcome to the Suck!....so as far as we all know, be prepared for all things that Will Come Our Way. Thatisall.

Posted by: 04iCan at July 15, 2015 07:40 PM (Blp1s)

315 >>Chinese, Russian, French, and UK arms dealers will make a killing on this.

And who are the 5 members of the UN SC? China, Russia, France, the UK and the USA. Throw in one of Iran's traditionally largest trading partners, Germany, and you get the P 5 + 1.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 07:40 PM (OGm46)

316

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 07:40 PM (NaeCR)

317 I don't know of a situation where Chile was directly affected by what Argentina did ( never saw evidence that the Falklands war affected Chile, for example )

Posted by: James Joyce, dead Irishman at July 15, 2015 07:37 PM (8CdUx)

--Chile passed along their radar readings to the British during the Falklands War, which was very helpful.

Posted by: logprof at July 15, 2015 07:40 PM (DZ9EG)

318 Am I the only one that thinks what's going in our country right now has scary similarities to how several totalitarian regimes got to power and stayed there?

I'm going LIV out and bing watch me some "Outlander" to relax. That Jamie character is HAWT!!!

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 15, 2015 07:41 PM (xVgrA)

319
Clearing indicating his serious concern at the 4th of July nuclear event in Boston harbor, Speaker Boehner went on the Hugh Hewitt Show and, speaking to guest host Ed Morrisey, said.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 07:41 PM (kdS6q)

320 309 Comrades, do you question that having every general be a tranny makes us the most effective military in the world?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 15, 2015 07:38 PM (q5APL)

Will they trip over their dress running away?

Posted by: the Patriot at July 15, 2015 07:41 PM (wkuqO)

321 316

wut?

Posted by: Feh at July 15, 2015 07:41 PM (Uk9e2)

322 The most exhilarating thing was my waving of the white flag each day, right in the Iranian's faces!

Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 15, 2015 07:42 PM (Dwehj)

323 You are completely misunderstanding the Corker bill. It did not grant Congressional consent to the agreement. That happened years ago, when Congress wrote and passed the sanctions legislation.

There is no treaty with Iran. These negotiations have been between the Government of Iran and one Barack Hussein Obama about what the first party must to in order to have the second party exercise his power as Chief Executive of the United States to lift the sanctions.

Absent the Corker bill the agreement would be executed like this: Iran performs their mummery, Obama declares them in compliance, and POOF! sanctions lifted. Now, thanks to Corker, there's are a few added steps at the beginning: Obama presents the deal to Congress, Congress (probably) rejects the deal, Obama vetoes the rejection, and Congress (probably) sustains the veto. So what good is the Corker bill? Well, without it Congressional Democrats can keep largely silent on the deal and when Iran detonates a nuclear weapon they can run far and fast away from Obama, who will be safely out of office giving $100,000 speeches to the NAACP. With this bill, Democrats are going to be on RECORD supporting this deal. That isn't going to do jack shit about Iran getting the bomb, but it should help to cull the remaining Progressives out of Congress.

And in case someone brings it up, I've been reading here since Paul Anka was slicing like a F'ing hammer, this place has been my #1 source of news for over a decade. I don't leave many comments because the comment system sucks donkey balls. Ace, you need a vacation. Not a break from creating content, but an actual, get the hell out of town and see something new vacation. It isn't that bad. It's not great, but we are hardly doomed.

Posted by: Jeff Gauch at July 15, 2015 07:42 PM (9+3Ef)

324 298 295 Posted by: Chomskybot at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (EHU9F)

This is one of those "how far can you make it before bailing" tests, like Chelsea/McCartney or a London Boys video, right? I guess I failed this one.

Click on the 'chomskybot' nic. The link well tell you what is going on.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 15, 2015 07:42 PM (Cv3j4)

325 During the decline of civilization, we must take pleasure in the small things. I am actually looking forward to seeing the faces of the first Muslim army that we subject to a full-on all-tranny bayonet charge.

Posted by: Splunge at July 15, 2015 07:43 PM (qyomX)

326 And as a poster above said, no GOP member in Congress could predict the day when an American president would be deliberately injuring his own country

Then they were blind fools. This brand of militant socialism has been in the US since the 30s.

The GOP enjoyed kicking the can down the road. The road has ended and here we are.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:43 PM (cD1Y4)

327 Page 86 of the Agreement grants amnesty to Qassam Suliemani, one of the worlds leading terrorist masterminds.

http://tinyurl.com/om465pb

Nothing in the agreement as to release of US hostages, but this guy gets his own page.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 15, 2015 07:43 PM (JgC5a)

328 And who are the 5 members of the UN SC?

15 members, 10 rotate from the general assembly.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 07:44 PM (NaeCR)

329 WILLOW!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 07:44 PM (bLnSU)

330 Bitter clinger-It may be a little out there to suggest that this novel was faked. There's been a suggestion for a a long time that there was another novel.

And as far as things being perverted and changed, well of course they have been and will be, but I guessing that if you're using "Bitter clinger" in the sense that Obama did you have a connection to the Bible and religious faith. If i'm presuming here I apologize if that's the case than i would encourage you to cling to your faith and the Bible.
As far as things taken away, I have frequently posted this selection from an American priest who was imprisoned in Lubyinka and the gulags. He was tortured and kept in solitary confinment. This is what he wrote about freedom in his book "He Leadeth Me"

The body can be confined, but nothing can destroy the deepest freedom in man, the freedom of the soul, and the freedom of mind and will. These are the highest and noblest faculties in man, they are what make him the sort of man he is, and they cannot be constrained. Even in prison a man retains his free will, his freedom of choice. Even in prison, a man can choose to do good or evil, to fight for survival or to despair... (pg 156).

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:45 PM (OSs/l)

331 SMOD me please sire!
May I have another too? I know that sounds selfish but it's the only way to make sure.

Posted by: Embracer of Suck at July 15, 2015 07:45 PM (hWJc0)

332 These negotiations have been between the Government of Iran and one Barack Hussein Obama about what the first party must to in order to have the second party exercise his power as Chief Executive of the United States to lift the sanctions.

At worst, Obama could have lifted the sanctions during the remainder of his term, abusing his discretion. The Republicans have agreed to lift them as a matter of law, at worst condoning this, at best accepting it.

Now they have no say, no power, and nothing to run on. Not to mention that we're fucked.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:45 PM (rwI+c)

333 wut?

Posted by: Feh at July 15, 2015 07:41 PM (Uk9e2)

Invisible scroll-over text.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 07:46 PM (NaeCR)

334 Absent the Corker bill the agreement would be executed like this: Iran performs their mummery, Obama declares them in compliance, and POOF! sanctions lifted.

How can Obama unilaterally lift sanctions that passed by congress?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:46 PM (cD1Y4)

335 BTW, the entire document is on line on Scribd.

http://tinyurl.com/o46lt2b

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 15, 2015 07:46 PM (JgC5a)

336 Jeff,

I'm giving it the college try to understand. Obama wanted to have some restrictions on his ability to set policy with Iran?

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:47 PM (wkuqO)

337 Posted by: Jeff Gauch at July 15, 2015 07:42 PM (9+3Ef)

Then you woke up.

The Democrats will get blamed for Iran getting nukes and will get tossed from Congress.

That is brilliant strategy?

Thanks for the explanation, Mr. Rove.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM (MQEz6)

338 I don't think that all the sanctions even have Executive discretion in them. So at least some of this "Agreement" would be unlawful with out Congresses active consent.

Oh well, another issue thrown away by the Republican Braintrust.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM (rwI+c)

339 Ace, you need a vacation. Not a break from creating content, but an actual, get the hell out of town and see something new vacation

Amen. I think Ace could use a intervention in the sense of "We've all come here to tell you that you need a vacation.."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM (OSs/l)

340 Jeff,

I'm giving it the college try to understand. Obama wanted to have some restrictions on his ability to set policy with Iran?

It's pretty obvious this avoids a court case Obama was probably going to lose.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM (cD1Y4)

341 Ace, you need a vacation. Not a break from
creating content, but an actual, get the hell out of town and see
something new vacation. It isn't that bad. It's not great, but we are
hardly doomed.
Posted by: Jeff Gauch at July 15, 2015 07:42 PM

Been here that long too, and I second the motion.

I say the high-country of Wyoming.

Not from there but honest-to-God Purple Mountains Majesty and Amber waves of grain.

Awesome.

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM (YCSaf)

342 Holy cats, do you how many times I've suggested a march on Washington and the response I most often get is: We have jobs!! We can't even muster the will to assemble and march for a day at our nation's capitol, and you think there'll be a revolt?!?!
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (wHFQT)

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And what good would a march do? The media would never cover it, the assholes in congress and the WH would never officially recognize it. No one pays attention to peaceful marches anymore.

Face it. The options that opposing voices have rightnow have been whittled down to either a tax revolt (of which the IRS is licking their lips over) or an armed revolt. Take your pick.

Oh, and that Article V convention. It's too late for that. That should have been started back in the early 90's.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM (P25Hh)

343 How can Obama unilaterally lift sanctions that passed by congress?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:46 PM (cD1Y4)

It's good to be the king

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 07:49 PM (DiZBp)

344 Thor, nice, so a man that is likely responsible for multitudes of American and Israeli (by Hamas)deaths along with all those unwilling martyrs at the deaths.

did we get Our prisoners from them at the least?

not.
but hey Bergdhal was quite a win.

what is it about this guy and releasing murderous terrorists?

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 07:49 PM (nqBYe)

345 It's pretty obvious this avoids a court case Obama was probably going to lose.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM (cD1Y4)

That might be so, but the courts wouldn't hear it until after he leaves office at the best.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:50 PM (wkuqO)

346 Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:35 PM (wHFQT

sooth, we can't even get people to quit financially supporting the left that is destroying us.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 07:51 PM (nqBYe)

347 264
@255

It just feels like....some lefty loon found this and said, "Hey what
do white people love? To Kill a Mockingbird. Let's ruin it for them."
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I am suspicious that the family turned over the manuscript to some publishing company, which like most American publishing companies these days is run by boutique Manhattan liberals who have books printed in China. The liberal book company assigned a liberal editor and a couple of liberal ghostwriters to "improve" and "update" the manuscript to send a proper "message". So the POV of the novel is not that of a girl looking up to her father who becomes a hero by standing up to Jim Crow. It is now changed to a bitter adult woman to whom history never progressed, and who is disillusioned in her old father who is a racist because as a Southern Caucasian hetero-male with an education and an office job he can't be anything else.

But hey, Larry Correia will have a new book out soon, so frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 07:51 PM (ry4ab)

348 341 Ace, you need a vacation. Not a break from
creating content, but an actual, get the hell out of town and see
something new vacation. It isn't that bad. It's not great, but we are
hardly doomed.
Posted by: Jeff Gauch at July 15, 2015 07:42 PM

______________

Agreed. The water's nowhere near boiling. A little warm sure, but how bad can it really get? Nowhere close to doomed, no sir.
- Lobster

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 07:51 PM (0LHZx)

349 Fenelon: http://memegenerator.net/instance2/767299

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 07:51 PM (bLnSU)

350 That might be so, but the courts wouldn't hear it until after he leaves office at the best.

Not sure about that. Didn't they move quickly on the recess appointment thing?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (cD1Y4)

351 Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM (P25Hh)

There are things that can be done.

Walk-out of Congressmen and Senators.

National strikes.

Third party.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (MQEz6)

352 I'm a fairly hard man but even I flinch at the idea of using the death of hundreds of thousands as a political gotcha.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (rwI+c)

353 >>How can Obama unilaterally lift sanctions that passed by congress?

You're missing the bigger picture. This was an international sanctions agreement that all the UN SC members agreed to. Many times for that matter. Then the individual countries legislated in their own fashion the laws necessary to enforce it.

But if the overall umbrella agreement collapses who cares what the US sanctions say? All the other UN SC members were part of these negotiations and all agreed, not just us.

So if the UN SC agrees to the new deal what difference does it make if only we have sanctions on Iran? You think Russia or China or even Germany isn't going to sell them stuff if only we are holding out? Don't think so.

Obama didn't have to agree to these talks but when he did he knew where this was headed. If the rest of the world folds our sanctions mean dick.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (OGm46)

354 Minor correction - 1/3rd of EITHER House of Congress, not 1/3rd of both Houses of Congress, is enough to complete Fail Theatre, Nuclear Edition.

At this point, I'm less-than-half-joking when I say that I hope the Iranians wait until they can nuke both NYC and DC before they blow their wad.

Posted by: steveegg at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (cL79m)

355 How can Obama unilaterally lift sanctions that passed by congress?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:46 PM (cD1Y4)

------------------------------------------

How can Baraka unilaterally change the Ocare law without congress?

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (P25Hh)

356 If it is any comfort, only 3% actually took up arms and less than 1/3 supported the revolutionary war. If this is true, we have enough right here at ACE to win. LOL

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (wkuqO)

357
So what good is the Corker bill? Well, without it Congressional Democrats can keep largely silent on the deal
Posted by: Jeff Gauch

We'll let Mitch know the "You're a Winner!" cookie bouquet is from you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (kdS6q)

358 Since you've cut the cord to America, get the f*ck out of here. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way.

Posted by: No Man is My Name at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (pGwu5)

359 personally i should have actually joined the tea party .
i talked about it.
so i fkd up it could have grown if people like me would have decided IT was just that important.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 07:53 PM (nqBYe)

360 ...the high-country of Wyoming.

Not from there but honest-to-God Purple Mountains Majesty and Amber waves of grain.

Awesome.

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 07:48 PM

-------------------------------------

And Devil's Tower.

You could go on a Value-Rite-fuled bender and build one in your lining room before you go.

Take pictures, please

...of your living room.

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 07:54 PM (YCSaf)

361 No Interest would be more accurate. Hit the streets internet tough guy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:54 PM (rwI+c)

362
sooth, we can't even get people to quit financially supporting the left that is destroying us.

That's another thing, willow!

Stop giving $$ to the Left. Movies, products, tv, radio, whatever. If they voted for obama or they donate to the Left, do not patronize them. If you don't know, find out.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:54 PM (wHFQT)

363 213
I'm most happy when we are talking about dying from a giant meteror, lava, tsunami.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 07:10 PM (iQIUe)

So, I was thinking about how cool it would be if the SMOD hit right off the WA coast, set off the Cascadia subduction zone quake, which let loose the San Andreas fault, which triggered the Yellowstone Caldera to let go. That would be some cool shit right there. Feel better now, Bruce?

Posted by: Agent J at July 15, 2015 07:55 PM (ueOgE)

364 Stop giving $$ to the Left.

Should I go find my 15 or whatever points of Things You Can Do?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 07:55 PM (rwI+c)

365 Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (OGm46)

The difference is we wouldn't be making a bad deal with an enemy nation.

Let the other countries fold. That's their problem.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 07:55 PM (MQEz6)

366 Obama didn't have to agree to these talks but when he did he knew where this was headed. If the rest of the world folds our sanctions mean dick.

As shitty as America has become, we are still the biggest economy in the world. It doesn't mean 'dick.'

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 07:55 PM (cD1Y4)

367 Since you've cut the cord to America, get the f*ck out of here. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way.
Posted by: No Man is My Name at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (pGwu5)

****

Aannnddd...this right here is an obvious Dale Carnegie graduate and devotee.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 15, 2015 07:56 PM (2z4UX)

368 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 07:51 PM (bLnSU)

Hi, Merovign. How are you feeling?

Unfortunately, the link you gave us is not working for me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 07:57 PM (OSs/l)

369 but I do with agree with him that it is controlled.

In case it hasn't been asked, are we (us here on the blog) smarter? Or did "They" just decide to put their retarded fourth son in charge to win a bet?

Posted by: Wolverines! at July 15, 2015 07:57 PM (ZbV+0)

370 I'm going to repeat my list to stimulate other's contributions

There is a lot you can do against Leviathan without even sticking your neck out. Some thoughts in no particular order:

1 Stop buying stuff
2 Do only what the government directly compels you to do.
3 Pay in cash with a winkwink
4 Cheat the government whenever possible
5 Steal all your entertainment
6 If you know of tax cheating, keep your mouth shut
7 If called to jury, refuse to convict
8 Discriminate in all your private dealings, without openly saying so
9 If you see a CoC sticker on a business, go elsewhere
10 Vote against all tax levies, particularly school levies
11 Buy firearms and ammo. It's not simply a just-in-case, it's a good financial investment of small sums when savings are yielding 1/4 of a percent.

Good Citizens are chumps.

They need us more than we need them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 07:57 PM (rwI+c)

371 sooth, i've been working on that part for the last couple of years.

i don't know what to actually do about tech or internet.

shut off and than i will know nothing ?

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 07:57 PM (nqBYe)

372
If one million of us, and that's not a lot, went to Washington, the whole world would take notice.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 07:57 PM (wHFQT)

373 356 If it is any comfort, only 3% actually took up arms and less than 1/3 supported the revolutionary war. If this is true, we have enough right here at ACE to win. LOL
Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (wkuqO)

Problem is, about half of us are going to be spending most of our time drunk under the table, if not actually blind from the Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Agent J at July 15, 2015 07:57 PM (ueOgE)

374 Agreed. The water's nowhere near boiling. A little warm sure, but how bad can it really get? Nowhere close to doomed, no sir.
- Lobster

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 07:51 PM (0LHZx)

What are these bubbles popping up in this water next to me, and why do I suddenly smell like cooked chicken?

Posted by: Zombie Frog at July 15, 2015 07:57 PM (cL79m)

375 It sucks, Fenelon. But oh well.

The link was just a meme generator of a pic of a whale breaching labeled "I came out of the ocean because you need a vacation."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 07:58 PM (bLnSU)

376 Whether "Bush lied" or not, there is no doubt that this country fought a 12-year war to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of a regime that threatened or attacked its neighbors and Western nations.

Under Obama, it has all been undone.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 15, 2015 07:58 PM (KQTmr)

377 @372

It would depend on what those million were carrying...

Posted by: Agent J at July 15, 2015 07:58 PM (ueOgE)

378 Hey, why go for half failure when you can go all the way?

Right now I am trying to persuade CPT Charles to get Navarone Island with Buy It Now on eBay so we can have a WW II playground of our very own with hot Greek women hanging around.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 06:28 PM (ry4ab)

The Aegean Sea?

Yeah. Mine, bitchez. Bought it last week with change I found in my Queen Anne Sitee.

Pay me.

Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at July 15, 2015 07:58 PM (/gQcK)

379 willow willow willow willow willow willow willow willow willow willow willow

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 07:58 PM (bLnSU)

380 Merovign *hugs*

how are things?

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 07:59 PM (nqBYe)

381 re: Devil's Tower:

Damn, I'm getting old. An image search 3 pages deep showed NO aliens.

kids...

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 08:00 PM (YCSaf)

382 Problem is, about half of us are going to be spending most of our time drunk under the table, if not actually blind from the Val-U-Rite.
Posted by: Agent J at July 15, 2015 07:57 PM (ueOgE)

Funny but true, I'm on the west coast but I start at 5 pm eastern. It is 5 oclock somewhere.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 08:00 PM (wkuqO)

383 "It's not a treaty"

"It's a tax"

"Two men can be married"

"I won't cum in your mouth"

Posted by: Buzzion at July 15, 2015 08:00 PM (5B5iJ)

384 It sucks, Fenelon.

I'm sir sorry. Quite a few people ask about you and are concerned about you and pray for you, but I guess you knew that.

I do really think Ace needs a vacation, though. Hopefully he won't have to be swallowed by a whale to get one.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 08:01 PM (OSs/l)

385
1 Stop buying stuff
2 Do only what the government directly compels you to do.
3 Pay in cash with a winkwink
4 Cheat the government whenever possible
5 Steal all your entertainment
6 If you know of tax cheating, keep your mouth shut
7 If called to jury, refuse to convict
8 Discriminate in all your private dealings, without openly saying so
9 If you see a CoC sticker on a business, go elsewhere
10 Vote against all tax levies, particularly school levies
11 Buy firearms and ammo. It's not simply a just-in-case, it's a good financial investment of small sums when savings are yielding 1/4 of a percent.

Good Citizens are chumps.

They need us more than we need them.

Posted by: Grump928(C)

Nice.

We are indeed subsidizing the Monster.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 08:01 PM (wHFQT)

386 1 Stop buying stuff
Easier said than done especially when you have kids

2 Do only what the government directly compels you to do.
YES!
3 Pay in cash with a winkwink
HELL YES!!

4 Cheat the government whenever possible
FUCKING EH YES!!

5 Steal all your entertainment
Done and done!! Can't remember the last time I actually paid to see a movie.

6 If you know of tax cheating, keep your mouth shut
YES!!

7 If called to jury, refuse to convict
Not sure how letting a rapist walk the streets helps me

8 Discriminate in all your private dealings, without openly saying so
YES!!

9 If you see a CoC sticker on a business, go elsewhere
Hmm...never even thought to look, I will from now on.

10 Vote against all tax levies, particularly school levies
Already do but it's useless since those things pass 70/30 all the time, even in so-called conservative counties

11 Buy firearms and ammo. It's not simply a just-in-case, it's a good financial investment of small sums when savings are yielding 1/4 of a percent.

Meh.

Good Citizens are chumps.
I agree. Being the nice guy is bullshit.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 08:01 PM (0LHZx)

387 357 We'll let Mitch know the "You're a Winner!" cookie bouquet is from you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 15, 2015 07:52 PM (kdS6q)

The winner screen from the "Big Rigs" game may be more appropriate:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/p8n89uq

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at July 15, 2015 08:02 PM (EHU9F)

388 wow, hey i got multiple willowed.

LOL

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:02 PM (nqBYe)

389 It would depend on what those million were carrying...
Posted by: Agent J at July 15, 2015 07:58 PM (ueOgE)

-----------------------------------

*fistbump*

It's the only way the DC denizens would sit up and take notice.

Posted by: Soona at July 15, 2015 08:02 PM (P25Hh)

390 It certainly appears that we are righteously F****D.

At least we will know who to blame it on.

ALL OF THEM.

Posted by: Vern at July 15, 2015 08:02 PM (N2dBr)

391 >>The difference is we wouldn't be making a bad deal with an enemy nation.

>>Let the other countries fold. That's their problem.

I couldn't agree with you more. But the Senate had zero participation in these negotiations. That was all Obama.

>>As shitty as America has become, we are still the biggest economy in the world. It doesn't mean 'dick.'

I'll rephrase. It means dick as far as keeping Iran from the bomb which has always been the point.

I hate what Obama is doing as much as anyone, I'm just saying the real culprit here is Obama. The Senate stuff is just kabuki as far as stopping Obama from letting Iran run wild.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 08:03 PM (OGm46)

392 >>>I believe the country had ceded to the international community instead of our own interests.

Not only that, but also to corporate lobbyists. Regulatory capture and all that. Big government positions itself as "we will implement regulations, so we are against The Man", but in actuality, those regulations can be abused to crush small businesses or individual freedoms, and favor The Man, and that is exactly what happens.

Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at July 15, 2015 08:03 PM (6qR/9)

393 352
I'm a fairly hard man but even I flinch at the idea of using the death of hundreds of thousands as a political gotcha.
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And yet the "dissent is the highest form etc" crowd went there on Iraq and Afghanistan every week while Dubya was president and boots were on the ground. That's another reason I am "exdem", the Dems and their media enablers just could not give it a rest while Dubya executed his office of hunting down bad people who meant us harm. Bunch of God-damned hypocrites in the most literal sense now that Obummer has given Iran the Bomb. What can be said after that? Folly, damned folly, and if they only hurt themselves, fine, but like a drunk driver on "Cops" those people seem set on getting others harmed while they have their fun.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 08:03 PM (ry4ab)

394 Grump928

If everyone just did 5 or 6 things on the list it would help. I'm against stealing on general principle and that includes entertainment. And I've served on a jury or two and did my best.

So we are close.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 08:04 PM (wkuqO)

395 I have yet to lose a dollar on any firearms purchase. Though I have burned a few on ammo.

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 08:04 PM (rwI+c)

396 "Somebody's doing the raping Don."

Trump
2016

Posted by: prescient11 at July 15, 2015 08:04 PM (q5APL)

397 Jonathan Gruber , i agree.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:04 PM (nqBYe)

398
Unequivocally refuse to quit on my country.

I will die before that happens.

Repairing the damage done IS possible--it will take unflagging effort, however.

It must begin at the most local level--the schools,local government and continue up through the State.

These are basics, through which all flows. Those basics have to be functioning as designed, else it goes for naught.

Look at this as OUR long march through the institutions.

Won't be without major heartburn along the way, it IS doable.

If you choose not to fight for your land, I will bear you no ill will,merely ask that you step aside, 'cause I have work to do--and I hope your chains don't chafe.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 08:04 PM (jeCnD)

399 Was it any better 100 years ago? I mean were politicians and the ruling classes any better? They fucked over the little guy as much as they do now, did they not? I sometimes wonder if this is a case of "fucking kids today with their rock and roll" except with politicians. In my day, politicians cared about the people, but these damn kid politicians today don't....that type of thing. People always think it was better in "the good old days" and the world's going to shit in the future.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 08:05 PM (0LHZx)

400 I think the list was up to 15 items but google is letting me down.

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 08:05 PM (rwI+c)

401 As long as we have each other, we won't have to descend into cackling madness alone, Time for a group hug, Morons!

Posted by: Agent J at July 15, 2015 08:06 PM (ueOgE)

402 re:Harper Lee

Y'all got it backwards. To Kill a Mockingbird is the "fake". The ugly literary rumor has always been that she was having trouble with the manuscript so she sent it to her cousin to look it over and offer suggestions. He basically rewrote the thing and that is what was sent in and published. He appears in TKaM as cousin Dill, his real name was Truman Capote.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at July 15, 2015 08:06 PM (W6ipS)

403 Merovign, Merovign, Merovign.
ugh, i guess you left, but wanted to say anyway, i'm thinking about you and hoping health is better, and miss you

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:06 PM (nqBYe)

404 {{HUGS}} willow

I keep missing you on threads, I don't post that often now, good to see you.

I am still here, still struggling with doctors and insurance like before, heart's doing worse but I am still not bedridden or anything.

I figure I will either find a miracle or die, the shilly-shallying about in the middle is bothersome.

Hope you are doing well, except watching the world chew itself to pieces out of spite!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:07 PM (bLnSU)

405 Irongrampa I always love your fortitude.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 08:07 PM (cbfNE)

406 Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 08:04 PM (jeCnD)

Grampa, IU salute you! I think you should make this a running post every day as an alternative to some of the repetitive posts which we all know which present another view.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 08:07 PM (OSs/l)

407 363
213

I'm most happy when we are talking about dying from a giant meteror, lava, tsunami.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 07:10 PM (iQIUe)

So, I was thinking about how cool it would be if the SMOD hit right
off the WA coast, set off the Cascadia subduction zone quake, which let
loose the San Andreas fault, which triggered the Yellowstone Caldera to
let go. That would be some cool shit right there. Feel better now,
Bruce?
--------------
I'd watch that movie.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 08:07 PM (ry4ab)

408 group hugs?
well ok, but watch those hands.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:07 PM (nqBYe)

409 Hey, UFC is live tonight!

Many 'story of barack obama' jokes to be made...

Posted by: Methos at July 15, 2015 08:08 PM (ZbV+0)

410 Guys, if you want to laugh, and I mean laugh, I've listened to this 50 times, just search "Trump" "Don Lemon" and "raping" and "conservative treehouse"

I kid you not, it's a 1:30 clip where the word rape is thrown around like 150 times.

And you know what, instead of the GOP guy stumbling and turning red and looking like a fool and an insensitive dumbass cis gendered privileged male

Trump takes it right to Lemon and says what the fuck: "who's doing the raping?"

IT'S PURE AWESOMENESS. But please continue telling us how Trump can't win and that we must vote for what the GOPe tells us to "save the country".

Posted by: prescient11 at July 15, 2015 08:08 PM (q5APL)

411 well ok, but watch those hands.

I hear he's Italian, with Roman hands.

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 08:08 PM (rwI+c)

412 Merovign, praying for your health.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 08:08 PM (cbfNE)

413 Well, when Iran sets off its first nuke the no Democrat will get any blame for it.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:08 PM (MQEz6)

414 Irongrampa I always love your fortitude.
Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 08:07 PM

-----------------

I remember for a moment how lucky I am whenever irongrampa posts.

Posted by: TJ Camper at July 15, 2015 08:08 PM (YCSaf)

415 I think Capote would have taken credit for it long before he died had that been the case.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 08:09 PM (OSs/l)

416 Thank you, @Votermom, and willow, and Fenelon

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:10 PM (bLnSU)

417 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:07 PM (bLnSU)

oh my..
heart? fgs i didn't know damn it.
surgery an option? fkityfk.

more hugs dear, i am a little stunned for a moment.
my daughter is also redoing cancer, finished this part of chemo, going to arizona for stem cell transplants and. BEAM. big owie chemo in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:11 PM (nqBYe)

418 402
re:Harper Lee

Y'all got it backwards. To Kill a Mockingbird is
the "fake". The ugly literary rumor has always been that she was having
trouble with the manuscript so she sent it to her cousin to look it over
and offer suggestions. He basically rewrote the thing and that is what
was sent in and published. He appears in TKaM as cousin Dill, his real
name was Truman Capote.
---------------------
Well wouldn't that just suck as truth in history. Capote always annoyed me a great deal as an unctious literary know-it-all snob on level with Gore Vidal. But he could actually write well and earned his best-seller praise, something the "Fifty Shades of TP" does not.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 08:11 PM (ry4ab)

419 >>Well, when Iran sets off its first nuke the no Democrat will get any blame for it.

When do they ever, for anything? Bic takeaway from today's awful presser talking about a hideous deal, some white reporter had the audacity to ask Obama a tough question.

Kind of handy having the press corp in your pocket.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 08:11 PM (OGm46)

420 Thank you, @Votermom, and willow, and Fenelon
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:10 PM (bLnSU)

I don't know your sickness but bad health is a real curse. I hope you get better.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 08:11 PM (wkuqO)

421 408 group hugs?
well ok, but watch those hands.
Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:07 PM (nqBYe)

I'm no Joe Biden.

Posted by: Agent J at July 15, 2015 08:12 PM (ueOgE)

422 413 Well, when Iran sets off its first nuke the no Democrat will get any blame for it.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:08 PM (MQEz6)

--

As it will probably be in a city, and maybe even DC, that's ok since they will be mostly be glowing.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 08:12 PM (cbfNE)

423 a miracle or....

well i say we go for the miracle

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:12 PM (nqBYe)

424 It's why I thank God every day that I live in Oklahoma. We're one of the last vestiges of what the USA used to be like. BUT, as the erosion of the nation continues, we will also be swallowed.

========

maybe. you ever read that apocryphal George Washington with the Angel story? not saying there's weight to it as such, but maybe the way it goes anyway

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 15, 2015 08:12 PM (Cq0oW)

425
As it will probably be in a city, and maybe even DC, that's ok since they will be mostly be glowing.
Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 08:12 PM (cbfNE)

The muzzies seem to hate NYC for some reason.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 08:12 PM (wkuqO)

426 Willow, prayers also for your D. And hugs to you.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 08:13 PM (cbfNE)

427 Well I don't know about "cutting the cord of America".

But I do agree with cutting the cord on this current crop of losers in charge.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 15, 2015 08:13 PM (2XMpf)

428 ty votermom

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:14 PM (nqBYe)

429 427 Well I don't know about "cutting the cord of America".

But I do agree with cutting the cord on this current crop of losers in charge.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 15, 2015 08:13 PM (2XMpf)

I didn't get it either and don't know who it was aimed at.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 08:14 PM (wkuqO)

430 Willow, much of my heart is dead, don't know why. 99.9% of the trials are for heart attacks, I didn't have one, not eligible for most treatments. About all they have for me is transplants and I am not a very good candidate for that for various reasons - though at least the rest of my cardio system is in good shape (as far as arteries etc).

Trying to get the right people together to modify temporary artificial heart designs to be permanent, I believe all the tech is here now, but no one is using all of it at once. Usually artificial hearts are just used as a crutch to get you to a transplant - which leaves me on drugs I can't tolerate for the rest of my life.

It is hard with no energy and no money, but I think it is possible.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:14 PM (bLnSU)

431 I think the little platoons of the nation remain strong out here in Jesusland. We just need to scrape off the crust of the overlords.

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 08:15 PM (rwI+c)

432 419 >>Well, when Iran sets off its first nuke the no Democrat will get any blame for it.

When do they ever, for anything? Bic takeaway from today's awful presser talking about a hideous deal, some white reporter had the audacity to ask Obama a tough question.

Kind of handy having the press corp in your pocket.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 08:11 PM (OGm46)

Yes, and that is why any plan to use this deal against Democrats is fantasy smothered in bullshit sauce.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:15 PM (MQEz6)

433 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 08:05 PM (0LHZx

You don't give a crap about social issues and like all atheists dismiss the correlation between the absence of morality and the downfall of civilizations. So it's obvious you wouldn't see the difference between then and now.

Posted by: Cruzinater at July 15, 2015 08:16 PM (4SgJh)

434 And votermom shames me into remembering, willow, prayers for a recovery for your daughter, and that it will be less painful than you expect.

I was lucky that early on my condition was pain-free, it could be worse.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:16 PM (bLnSU)

435 399 Was it any better 100 years ago? I mean were politicians and the ruling classes any better?

Politicians have always been largely scumbags.

However, 100 years ago, the federal government hadn't grown to nearly the size it is today, so some guy on a small farm in Iowa or a ranch in Wyoming could largely ignore what was done in DC. He didn't have to worry about some damn law in DC protecting the snail darter on his property and telling him what he could and couldn't grow.

But (and this is where you are so completely blind Moo) - the feds didn't poke around as much in the citizen's day to day life because they had plenty of local institutions to take up the slack. Like churches for instance. What the pastor or minister said was far more important than what Senator so and so said in DC. And also, what grandpa said or the town mayor or the guy who owned the dry goods store.

Take away religion, take away a sense of community (which religion provides) and people will depend increasingly on the federal government, andthus pols - always dishonest liars - will assume an ever greater role in their lives and have more and more power over them.

You want to separate socons from fiscal conservatism. So did I, back in the '90's, because I wanted to be one of the kool kidz. Fuck that. I am increasingly convinced you will never, ever have one without the other.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:16 PM (+XMAD)

436 They pretend to be 'skeptical'? That's just playacting. Like when they were little boys putting on their sisters dresses. Like ubama's indonesian babysitter who showed him how to 'tuck' up his twig and berries when he put on a his first bikini. Certainly no worse that Major Garret playing his kabuki part. You know, where he addressed the little skinny jackass as mr. president?

Posted by: Eromero at July 15, 2015 08:17 PM (go5uR)

437 Joe's Law: Trolls believe none of the things they post.

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 08:17 PM (rwI+c)

438 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:14 PM (bLnSU)

There is work being done usng gene therapy to repair ailing hearts.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:18 PM (MQEz6)

439 I am finding the proliferation angle sadly funny though.

we went through the cold war blocking the ussr from selling nuke materials, placing missiles, and trying to get nukes dismantled.

then the rotten actors of the world discovered the trick of getting us to give them nukes.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 15, 2015 08:18 PM (Cq0oW)

440 Heh, irongrampa's comment reminds me of the blind old patrician who had himself carried to the Senate which was debating Pyrrhus's terms on the table. Pyrrhus's ambassador returned with no deal and told his lord and friend that Rome was a nation of many kings.

Old man, most of us are kvetching away and ranting because Shakespeare taught us that's the thing to do when given bad news. But when push comes to shove we will join you at the barricades, or along the stone fences where the tyrant's soldiers will have to march. It will be messy, but we will prevail in the end.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 08:18 PM (ry4ab)

441 I know you're gone for the night, Ace. But I commend you on this post. Well said...well said. I've had about all I can take of my country's destruction at the hands of this JEF bastard and his allies on both sides of the bloody aisle. Nobody in Washington cares. There really is no saving this beast. I only see Art. V or something along the lines of "When in the course of human events..." It's all we have left.

Posted by: Lady in Black....sigh at July 15, 2015 08:18 PM (09VaH)

442 then the rotten actors of the world discovered the trick of getting us to give them nukes.

All they had to do was to get one of their own in the Presidency. Brilliant!

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 08:18 PM (rwI+c)

443 >>> Like when they were little boys putting on their
sisters dresses.
Posted by: Eromero at July 15, 2015 08:17 PM

Who's been reading my Little Pony diary?

Posted by: John Boner at July 15, 2015 08:19 PM (RRgY4)

444 This isn't a "happy" thread butI Too bad for you guys, I'll share it anyway before i leave for a walk and the rest of the evening.

I'm in a new little church with a lot of problems. However, there's this guy in it named Charlie. The first day I arrived he said (Not ever having met me before, mind you) he said, "Welcome,Pastor" and gave me a big hug. i don't usually find guys who are older who are into hugs) I am going over to visit him in his house tomorrow. I called him up today and I said, How are you dealing with all this rain?." He said, "Well, I was hoping to get out to golf today but i couldn't" He's 90 years old! He has such a wonderful attitude; I just feel blessed to have met him.

Good "night" everyone!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 08:19 PM (OSs/l)

445
There is work being done usng gene therapy to repair ailing hearts.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:18 PM (MQEz6)
----- Heart Attacks get 99.9% of the research money, and I didn't have one, so I'm not eligible for trials and studies. Been trying for five years.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:19 PM (bLnSU)

446 We tried a march on DC. Remember that 9/12 march that Beck organized way back early in Barky's reign? The one that more than filled the national mall with people shoulder to shoulder?

It didn't do shit.

We, unlike the Left, are results oriented. When something doesn't work, we don't do it again hoping it'll be better this time. We will find another way.

Posted by: East Bay KG at July 15, 2015 08:20 PM (YUrE9)

447 My BIL was here for lunch the other day. He told my wife he wanted to see the place where Obama had his name changed. (My BIL has no sense of humour so it wasn't a joke.)
Has anyone out there heard a story about a young BHO going to southern Alberta to get his name legally changed?
FWIW my BIL is a moron. I don't believe he's a Moron.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 15, 2015 08:20 PM (jwprJ)

448 Merovign, oh, whew......

.....
Trying to get the right people together to modify temporary artificial heart designs to be permanent, I believe all the tech is here now, but no one is using all of it at once. Usually artificial hearts are just used as a crutch to get you to a transplant - which leaves me on drugs I can't tolerate for the rest of my life

right people together..

so would people applying pressure to those that have the tech and skill?

it must have an answer to that problem.
spamming their emails with Let's do This petitions?

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:20 PM (nqBYe)

449 >>Yes, and that is why any plan to use this deal against Democrats is fantasy smothered in bullshit sauce.

Worth a try though, right? There is literally nothing to lose since no Republican is ever going to come out in support. Why not take the next 2 months to let them go on record condemning it?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 08:21 PM (OGm46)

450 Good "night" everyone!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 15, 2015 08:19 PM (OSs/l)

The human race makes me despair. Individual human beings can still make me feel delight.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:21 PM (+XMAD)

451 Who keeps telling Ace to take a vacation? If you have been here as long as you claim you have, you wd remember the last time Ace took a vacation -- it was not pretty. It was like that episode in the Sopranos were Tony is in a coma and wondering around in a fugue state. No, ace, walk away from the light! Come back, Ace!

It took us a long long time to get Ace back and I thought the blog would go belly up.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 08:22 PM (iQIUe)

452 445
There is work being done usng gene therapy to repair ailing hearts.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:18 PM (MQEz6)
----- Heart Attacks get 99.9% of the research money, and I didn't have one, so I'm not eligible for trials and studies. Been trying for five years.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:19 PM (bLnSU)

I think the research is in a pretty wide range of heart diseases.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:22 PM (MQEz6)

453 It is easier to pick good friends than it is to pick good family in most cases. Ya gotta have tribe tho or be alone.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 08:23 PM (wkuqO)

454 willow, if I can line up a few people I hope to get them to help me to line up the rest.

I already got a quote on a power supply no one else has even tried to use that could allow you to be independent of power outlets, not for 6-7 hours but for 15-30 *years*.

No one is using them because that battery costs $100,000. But screw that, who wants to live constantly under a 7-hour death sentence? I could probably raise that online *if* the rest of the pieces are lined up.

Part of the problem is they're not designing the systems to be permanent, and everybody has tunnel vision.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:23 PM (bLnSU)

455 449 >>Yes, and that is why any plan to use this deal against Democrats is fantasy smothered in bullshit sauce.

Worth a try though, right? There is literally nothing to lose since no Republican is ever going to come out in support. Why not take the next 2 months to let them go on record condemning it?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 08:21 PM (OGm46)

It is not worth a try.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:24 PM (MQEz6)

456 We, unlike the Left, are results oriented. When something doesn't work, we don't do it again hoping it'll be better this time. We will find another way.
Posted by: East Bay KG at July 15, 2015 08:20 PM (YUrE9)

I'd say the left gets damn good results. They get power. That is what they want.

That is what we don't have.

Tell me - what other way?

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:24 PM (+XMAD)

457 Riddle me this. When Harry Reid was in charge he ran the place with an iron fist, when he becomes minority leader he runs the place with an iron fist. How does this happen?

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 08:25 PM (wkuqO)

458 All they had to do was to get one of their own in the Presidency. Brilliant

====

but ... it started with Jimmy Carter. He did the Nork deal. And taught them a trick to teach Iran, apparently.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 15, 2015 08:26 PM (Cq0oW)

459 The muzzies seem to hate NYC for some reason.
Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 08:12 PM (wkuqO)

I hope ace and Sefton and the other NYC Morons get out of there before it's too late. Same with the DC area Morons.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:27 PM (+XMAD)

460 eman - the animal trials, yes, the human trials, as I said, I have been looking for five years. And not under my bed.

I was lined up for one at Cedars-Sinai and they screwed the schedule up and called me the morning I was leaving to tell me they closed it and I couldn't take part. It was a safety trial, too, which means everyone gets the treatment, not just half.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:27 PM (bLnSU)

461 I already got a quote on a power supply no one else has even tried to use that could allow you to be independent of power outlets, not for 6-7 hours but for 15-30 *years*.

No one is using them because that battery costs $100,000. But screw that, who wants to live constantly under a 7-hour death sentence?

One would think even at 100k a pop it would be worth it for a mulititude of situations.

as for costs i know the first treatment of chemo and stay in the hospital for 5 days was 100k the next less, haven't received the last 2 yet..
i know while the first outlay of cost is high it seems perhaps the costs would level out after crisis was contained?

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:29 PM (nqBYe)

462 We tried a march on DC. Remember that 9/12 march that Beck organized way back early in Barky's reign? The one that more than filled the national mall with people shoulder to shoulder?

======

I was there. wonderful day. leftists said the numbers were about 100k because they fkg lie.

my mom went to both Obama s inauguration and 9/12, she said it was nearly the same kind of crowding.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 15, 2015 08:29 PM (Cq0oW)

463
the "Let's Just Let This Play Out And See What Happens" plan kinda sucks in politics -- especially against an enemy that ain't "playing" politics but has declared War on you

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 08:30 PM (wHFQT)

464 Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:24 PM (+XMAD)

I think whats frustrating is that we have the power in elected numbers but we don't have the power that counts and that's the MSM.

Posted by: Cruzinater at July 15, 2015 08:30 PM (4SgJh)

465
and "Let's Hope For The Best" is not a plan

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 08:30 PM (wHFQT)

466 I was lined up for one at Cedars-Sinai and they screwed the schedule up and called me the morning I was leaving to tell me they closed it and I couldn't take part.

wow what a horrible thing to do to someone waiting for help.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:31 PM (nqBYe)

467 Yeah, willow, political interference, cronyism and insurance gimmicks make all the medical prices mad.

The price I was quoted was not specifically as a medical device, frankly, I could give a **** if it's FDA certified if it's made to my specs.

I am assuming I will have to have it installed on a ship or in South Korea or something.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:31 PM (bLnSU)

468 Y'all got it backwards. To Kill a Mockingbird is the "fake". The ugly literary rumor has always been that she was having trouble with the manuscript so she sent it to her cousin to look it over and offer suggestions. He basically rewrote the thing and that is what was sent in and published. He appears in TKaM as cousin Dill, his real name was Truman Capote.

I have heard this rumor before.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 08:31 PM (cD1Y4)

469 Can we ask Iran to Obomb Detroit for us?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at July 15, 2015 08:32 PM (3Edmy)

470
wow what a horrible thing to do to someone waiting for help.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:31 PM (nqBYe)Yeah, I had already made two trips there. The day before that call I found out my credit card had been compromised and my bank was sending me a new one, the temporary card can't be used to rent a car, either.That was a bad day.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:33 PM (bLnSU)

471 435

Take away religion, take away a sense of community (which religion
provides) and people will depend increasingly on the federal government,
and thus pols - always dishonest liars - will assume an ever greater
role in their lives and have more and more power over them.

You want to separate socons from fiscal conservatism. So did I,
back in the '90's, because I wanted to be one of the kool kidz. Fuck
that. I am increasingly convinced you will never, ever have one
without the other.
--------------------
That is right Donna, in so many ways. This heresy of the Earthly Paradise of the State has become very intolerant because it will brook no rivals in authority and community to itself. It has to be the full Conservative ride, with Faith, Reason, Family and Community to go along with Finance and Keep Your Terrorists Off My Lawn. Without the Law of God, the Law of Man doesn't mean much, as there can always be a new Pharoah "that knew not Joseph", or a Herod Antipater pleased with a pile of dead babes.

Yeah, with you I was one of the kool kidz back when and tried to believe what I learned in Church had little to do with what I learned in school or with my friends. that colored some of my decisions as a youth, a few of which I would undo if I could, but that is not the way of life...

The Statists just do not get the idea of a limited surrender of personal sovereignty given from duty, respect, and love, as Ace pointed out above. The stanza of the hymn, "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bend", is completely different from Sauron lifting his hand with the Ring on it and commanding "kneel".

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 08:33 PM (ry4ab)

472 I am assuming I will have to have it installed on a ship or in South Korea or something.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:31 PM (bLnSU)

I would think they would like candidates willing to experiment with something very interesting and if successful very lucrative.

and i wish alextopia were real.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:35 PM (nqBYe)

473
The day after November 2014 elections, the very first thing Boehner and McConnell said is they "look forward to working with obama" to "get things done" to "move America forward" and "do what the People sent them to Washington to do."

None of the above are lies. Not even the last line...when you realize that Boehner and McConnell were referring to the lobbyists [who they believe] sent them to Washington, not their constituents back home.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 08:35 PM (wHFQT)

474 Good night, Horde. Prayers for all who need them. And that's all of us.

Posted by: Agent J at July 15, 2015 08:35 PM (ueOgE)

475
No way would an author allow someone else take credit for their work, especially one that went on to critical acclaim and financial success -- and especially not Truman Capote. So, can we put that rumor to rest?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 08:36 PM (iQIUe)

476 I've probably got one of these as a required textbook BS Comp Sci somewhere in the boxes in the garage.

http://www.chomsky.info/books.htm

20+ years on the job and I've never needed "grammars".

Posted by: DaveA at July 15, 2015 08:37 PM (DL2i+)

477 Yeah, I had already made two trips there. The day before that call I found out my credit card had been compromised and my bank was sending me a new one, the temporary card can't be used to rent a car, either.That was a bad day.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:33 PM (bLnSU)

i've been pulling my hair out for a while withthe unknown docs meds, and dealing with medical docs that don't find issues as pressing as we do.

now i want to pull other peoples hair out for you.

i'm just devastated that you are in such personal peril and i have no knowledge to find a repair.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:38 PM (nqBYe)

478 476 I've probably got one of these as a required textbook BS Comp Sci somewhere in the boxes in the garage.

http://www.chomsky.info/books.htm

20+ years on the job and I've never needed "grammars".

Posted by: DaveA at July 15, 2015 08:37 PM (DL2i+)

Regular expression parsers are kinda taking off for string parsing. That's all stuff than was in Noam's wheelhouse.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 15, 2015 08:38 PM (cD1Y4)

479 Agent J. may G-d have mercy.

we all need some

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:39 PM (nqBYe)

480 I think whats frustrating is that we have the power in elected numbers but we don't have the power that counts and that's the MSM.
Posted by: Cruzinater at July 15, 2015 08:30 PM (4SgJh)

But we have the Internet - for now at least.

I used to avoid sending "offensive" stuff to my lib relatives because I didn't want to offend. Now, I'm doing more than sending something that I'm sure they'll probably delete. I ask them about what I've sent them. "Did you see that story about???" "No - I haven't had time to read it...." "Well, it's about...."

You can't do it all the time. or they'll write you off as a crank. But every so often - thrusting a story under their faces and shouting "READ THIS!!" works. I plan to do it with the PP story because I know lib Catholics who don't like abortion so they don't think about it. They think about "social justice" instead. I am going to make sure they hear about PP's baby selling - and I want them to squirm and feel uncomfortable.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:39 PM (+XMAD)

481
i'm just devastated that you are in such personal peril and i have no knowledge to find a repair.

This is another reason we ALL need to band together. We have strength in numbers. The Left knows this..

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 08:39 PM (wHFQT)

482 Willow, thanks, me too, and volunteers are less of a problem than the FDA and DOJ, to hear cardiologists complain.

But people want to experiment on their own projects, not a new one. And they tend to stay in the confines of the approved and tinker at the edges.

I'm picking up technologies from cardiology, prosthetics, and power research that haven't been combined yet, so, wish me luck.

And thanks again to you and others for prayers.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:40 PM (bLnSU)

483 Merovign and willow: prayers on the way.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:40 PM (+XMAD)

484 No way would an author allow someone else take credit for their work

Nope, it would never happen!

Posted by: Edward de Vere at July 15, 2015 08:40 PM (cD1Y4)

485 Who keeps telling Ace to take a vacation? If you have been here as long as you claim you have, you wd remember the last time Ace took a vacation -- it was not pretty. It was like that episode in the Sopranos were Tony is in a coma and wondering around in a fugue state. No, ace, walk away from the light! Come back, Ace!

It took us a long long time to get Ace back and I thought the blog would go belly up.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 08:22 PM (iQIUe)

The thing is, everybody burns out sooner or later.

Or as Monty says, we're boned if he does, boned if he doesn't.

Posted by: steveegg at July 15, 2015 08:41 PM (cL79m)

486 no way would an author let another take credit for thier work - Bill Ayers

Posted by: ThunderB at July 15, 2015 08:41 PM (zOTsN)

487
We can't even get on the same page on anything. Glenn Beck. Trump. Ann Coulter. Ace and abortion. Men having husbands, of all the cockamamie things!

The Left is evil and rotten. The Republicans are connivers and useless. But you know what, we are our own worst enemy.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 08:42 PM (wHFQT)

488 Truly epic, Ace! Yet another reason why I return again and again to your intellectually generous, award-winning, smart military blog!
Is it now time to question, assuming we will survive this, how our country came to this, how we elected a veritable light-bringer?
We can blame TV and public education/unionized Ed. faculty/teacher's unions, and we can blame the Devil (b/c our Nature is fallen, after all). Much immigration after the Brain Drain ended (pace Ted "The Diver" Kennedy), Commie-fag-junkies in their party, ours, and in the news media (but I repeat myself), le trahison des clercs (and their unionized sinecures)...
No.
It is now time to figure how to survive. 90-10 they hit us with a coordinated attack, 2 or 3 targets, explosive or EMP, it doesn't make a lot of difference. They will hope to build on the temporary marriages ValJar lusts for and Barak achieved (at Stonehenge), reducing our defense capability, and watch our economy crumble. They know the Commie-fag-junkies undermined civil society, and that it won't take much to crumble. No electricity in their Deep Blue cities for 2 weeks? They'll be eating their dead. Until contagion will be rampant.
Not to go all Book of Amos on y'all, but it won't be pretty.
Hope (there's still about a 10% chance, I reckon), and pray (the Amish pray instead of vote, and they pay their taxes), and prepare for the worst.
APPEAL TO HEAVEN.

Posted by: Grant in West Concord, MN at July 15, 2015 08:42 PM (lBHdF)

489 sooth, it is true we are one speck of dirt or we can become a mountain of specks.

sorry my mind is doing little gasps here , i am so sad to hear of merovigns struggle.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:43 PM (nqBYe)

490 The event has already passed

Many events have passed since the Islamic Revolution in Iran. They were and should've been used as casus bellis sp?

It's pretty much a 100% signifier of somebody not worth reading if they think anything other than getting rid of the mullahs will "solve" Iran.

Posted by: DaveA at July 15, 2015 08:43 PM (DL2i+)

491 I have hope, willow, that I will find a way. I believe it is possible to save myself here.

I am fully cognizant that the idea of tearing out my own heart and replacing it with a brand new machine to survive is a little bit crazypants, but sometimes you gotta be a little crazy.

I also admit I am not doing the best job of it, partly because of the drugs I'm on affecting my memory and sleep and sometimes I spend most of the day in bed or in the bathroom because of the meds.

Being off them is a big motivator. Oh, and not dying, that is motivation too, I guess.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:43 PM (bLnSU)

492 At the national level, I agree with you. (Like writing my senators, Cantwell and Murray, would ever make a difference). But I disagree at the local level. We have a county commissioner, David Madore, that is a businessman. Since he got in office, he's spent a lot of time shining a light on the local corruption. The comfortable class in the county hates him. So if you want to believe you can make a difference, get involved locally.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 15, 2015 08:44 PM (5HBd1)

493 Ace, the American people voted for Obama twice. They perhaps thought they were hedging their bets with a GOP congress, but we've seen how that worked out. As such, Obama is amassing quite a record of success from his vantage point.

All this makes the presidencies of the Bushes look so shameful when you consider what they actually accomplished for conservatism... So let's elect Jeb Bush...

Let it burn isn't exactly a choice anymore. For folks with kids, mortgages and a stake in the long-term survival of a 'system', this is not good. But what if the system they had a stake in wasn't the American system?

Consider a mass American conservative migration to Canada - like 40-50 million of them or more. The whole population here in Canada is 35 million; what could they really do about it if conservatives became 'undocumented migrants' who want to work to help the society (the way Jorge Ramos frames it)? Ideally, of course, there would be a strategy to gain refugee status.

Another alternative would be a mass migration south -to a place like Guatemala/Honduras/Nicaragua - all as refugee claimants. The American conservative population would simply dwarf the native population.

The pure schadenfreude of leaving the left to fend for themselves would be great... We'd have to rebuild, but then again - no 17 trillion dollar debt, no boondoggle programs to dismantle, entrenched party systems to decimate. What do we value more: infrastructure, money, freedom? If we really believe in the values we can go anywhere knowing that having the actual latitude to execute policy based on our values will generate productivity, infrastructure, trade and sure, money too.

Alright Ace and Co: Substantiate. Refute. Qualify.

Posted by: dzh123 at July 15, 2015 08:44 PM (TOFA/)

494 George Washington with the Angel

Is there anything to that? It's pretty easy for random websites on the internet to tell stories.

Posted by: Methos at July 15, 2015 08:44 PM (ZbV+0)

495 Failure Theater doesn't require a conspiracy or a plan - it's just what they do.

Posted by: DaveA at July 15, 2015 08:46 PM (DL2i+)

496 Merovign, i do wish you luck, and strength , and while i don't know that G-d hears my prayers i will struggle with them for you. (been having a faith crisis lately)

I will add your 'name' at shul and perhaps it will be heard .

i will say merovign aceman, well because LOL it sounds like a name and G-d knows .

(I feel like a drunken person trying to find my nose)

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:47 PM (nqBYe)

497 You don't have to have religion in order to have small govt, that's total fucking bullshit. Switzerland has very limited govt and is also very NOT religious. Less than 20% of the population there attends church on a regular basis.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 08:47 PM (0LHZx)

498 Was it any better 100 years ago? I mean were politicians and the ruling classes any better? They fucked over the little guy as much as they do now, did they not? I sometimes wonder if this is a case of "fucking kids today with their rock and roll" except with politicians. In my day, politicians cared about the people, but these damn kid politicians today don't....that type of thing. People always think it was better in "the good old days" and the world's going to shit in the future.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 08:05 PM (0LHZx)

Yeah, well we altered that equation a little.....

Posted by: Frankfurt School Alumni at July 15, 2015 08:47 PM (/gQcK)

499 Failure Theater doesn't require a conspiracy or a plan - it's just what they do.

Posted by: DaveA at July 15, 2015 08:46 PM (DL2i+)

Communists don't take a dump without a plan, son.

Posted by: Admiral Josh Painter at July 15, 2015 08:49 PM (cL79m)

500 Prayers up, "Merovign".

Posted by: Grant in West Concord, MN at July 15, 2015 08:49 PM (lBHdF)

501 my mom went to both Obama s inauguration

Why?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 15, 2015 08:50 PM (/gQcK)

502 Willow, we have never talked faith and I'm not sure either one of us has the energy for it. Let's just say I come from a different perspective on the subject.

I don't know you really well, but I know enough about you to know that whether or not you have faith in God (however you spell it), God has faith in you.

You have already been heard, anything else us up to us.

I probably blasphemed in at least seven major religions there, but I hope it was some comfort.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:50 PM (bLnSU)

503 The stanza of the hymn, "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bend", is completely different from Sauron lifting his hand with the Ring on it and commanding "kneel".

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 08:33 PM (ry4ab)

Exactly. I really like CS Lewis and his idea that people in Hell CHOOSE to be there - they're too proud, too arrogant to acknowledge they are wrong so they want to "rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven." I always took "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bend" to mean that at some point - maybe 100, 000 million years from now, even the most wicked will finally say "OK, now I see I was wrong, I was wicked and I accept Christ." And for some it might take that long! But time means nothing to God.

The thing is God has to be freely chosen not forced. The Left, as you note, is all about forcing and humiliating.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:50 PM (+XMAD)

504 Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:39 PM (+XMAD)

The Internet helps but it's more of an echo chamber for partisans. It's best attribute is to expose the bigger lies by the media even though once the lie is out their it's done it's intended damage.

The MSM today is more of a herder of LIVs. They can frame an issue anyway they want either to avoid damage to the Left or create damage for the Right. It's been this way since the sixties.

Posted by: Cruzinater at July 15, 2015 08:52 PM (4SgJh)

505 I wish Alextopia was real also, willow.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 08:52 PM (kmtse)

506 460 eman - the animal trials, yes, the human trials, as I said, I have been looking for five years. And not under my bed.

I was lined up for one at Cedars-Sinai and they screwed the schedule up and called me the morning I was leaving to tell me they closed it and I couldn't take part. It was a safety trial, too, which means everyone gets the treatment, not just half.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:27 PM (bLnSU)

Are you willing to say the nature of your ailment?

I work in pharma and may be able to track down something useful.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:53 PM (MQEz6)

507 love you Merovign, . i suppose we will muddle along finding what is meaningful,and working towards our personal desired result. crisis does that.

srsly i know there are a gazillion things i will regret not coming to mind, i am still that shocked and i have a regroup issue emotionally .

please don't be such a stranger and i will try to check in here more often. I've been dealing with daughters small children and i'm always wiped out.
LOL

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:55 PM (nqBYe)

508 Tell me - what other way?

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 08:24 PM (+XMAD)

It is not clear yet.

But like Irongrampa, I don't believe this is the end of the story. As with previous generations of Americans, we have our own test.

Posted by: East Bay KG at July 15, 2015 08:56 PM (YUrE9)

509 : SMFH

yeah we need a place to regroup , and problem solve

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 08:57 PM (nqBYe)

510 My mom and dad both voted for Obama...twice.

And today, for the first time in my life, I told my dad to get bent.

He didn't like my posts regarding Iran in his newsfeed.

So he posted about how social media should not be for politics.

I just posted two words. "Oh really?"

My dad unfriended me, which actually make me laugh a little.

Now, I'm feeling kinda weirded out.

Fuck it, as long as I have rum and smokes, I'm good.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 08:57 PM (kmtse)

511 Are you willing to say the nature of your ailment?

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 08:53 PM (MQEz6)
------- (probably) viral cardiomyopathy resulting in congestive heart failure (primarily left ventricle, but general). Started five years ago. Got ejection fraction up to 35% (from 15) and started work again, but only made it 8 months before another "episode" of unknown causes and now after another one I'm down in the 15% range again. No CAD, arteries clean and clear.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:58 PM (bLnSU)

512 SMFH, i have found it bizzare how much people have ThemSelves invested in One man .
It really is like a cult

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 09:00 PM (nqBYe)

513 God Bless you both, Willow and Merovign

Posted by: dartist at July 15, 2015 09:00 PM (ahBY0)

514 Thanks for all the Chile info. It seems that they do have a pretty nifty "retirement visa", decent home and rent prices. The siesta is observed during the middle of the day and the medical care is first world with almost all doctors speaking English (requirement for decent med school apparently)

Also Chilean Malbec and Chilean Sea Bass.

BONUS

Mickey's recommended movie ' Mi Mejor Enemigo' set during the Chile - Argentina conflict is on Youtube.

http://tinyurl.com/oxknjnk

If I gotta go, I think I know where...

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 09:01 PM (XaTzU)

515 Donna, I agree, the PP organ harvesting is an atrocity that everyone has to hear about.
We are in good Germans ignoring death camps otherwise.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 09:01 PM (cbfNE)

516 brb, i Have to smoke a cig.

perhaps nicotine will get my brain working .

i'll catch up if everyone is still here.
brb

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 09:02 PM (nqBYe)

517 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 08:58 PM (bLnSU)

Okay, thanks.

I will bug some folks at work. We have regular lectures there given by guest scientists and physicians. One of the main topic areas is cardiac disease. In fact I saw a poster for a talk about using gene therapy to repair ailing hearts.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 09:02 PM (MQEz6)

518 We are always good, willow.

I am just happy I get to spend time with my Mom tomorrow (she helps me with a few chores since my last episode, I was able to do everything before that), she lives nearby. We have fun.

Also, her birthday is Friday, so I will see her then, too!

Miss my Dad, we talk but it's been a while since I've seen him.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:02 PM (bLnSU)

519 Posted by: dzh123 at July 15, 2015 08:44 PM (TOFA/)

I'm game for Vancouver, but isn't that part of the NW that's going to be destroyed by the next big earthquake? Maybe further up in BC.

Yeah, certainly 10 million conservative Yanks would change the political face of Canada. Quebec and Ontario are lefty, so is BC, and even Alberta isn't the Conservative stronghold it once was.

Ha. Actually this is amusing. Dems are afraid they'll lose due to abortion demographics so they deliberately open the floodgates in the south so millions of D-voting permanent serfs can come in.

Conservatives in Canada must feel outnumbered - so now they want millions of conservative Americans to come in and permanently change voting results in The Great White North. It's ironic as hell because of all the leftists who ran north to escape the American draft and the ones who threatened to move to Canada if Dubya was reelected.

Now the Canucks are inviting the conservatives. Hey, maybe. I'm used to cold weather (although I'd like to get away from it - can the Canucks please invade and occupy San Diego) and I like Canadians.
Please change your damned gun laws and I might consider it.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:02 PM (+XMAD)

520 willow,

I have a sneaking suspicion that I will end up alone, which how I'm feeling right now, may be for the best.

Easier to acquire guns and ammo and other such things as opposed to networking.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:02 PM (kmtse)

521
I can get you growth hormone peptides.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:03 PM (wHFQT)

522 ((SMFH))

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 09:04 PM (cbfNE)

523 Thanks, eman, I always welcome help and contacts.

I am totally up for mad science.

If you find anything without a "we expect trials to begin in 5 years" tag, let me know, because everything I found that said that 5 years ago is still 5 years away.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:04 PM (bLnSU)

524 Less than 20% of the population there attends church on a regular basis.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 08:47 PM (0LHZx)

****

Did you see that? It was the point of that post you responded to flying right over your head..again.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 15, 2015 09:04 PM (1eYr7)

525 I was always the "black sheep" of the family.

Ain't nothing but a thang.

One good thing about being alone: Moar money for guns and ammo.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:05 PM (kmtse)

526 I'm all in favor of getting involved in local politics; however, politics is for extroverts. Not everyone is cut out for it.

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 09:06 PM (sdi6R)

527 Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:02 PM (kmtse)

Terrible as it is to say, sometimes you have to let them go their way. I let some of my family go...just way too much trouble being nice.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 09:06 PM (wkuqO)

528 Quit my job Sunday. Selling my house and land. Moving to a ranch in the middle of no-where NM. It is all talk until you do something. I did something. The shit storm is coming. I am not going to be there when it goes down.

Posted by: Big Al at July 15, 2015 09:06 PM (ci6MG)

529 >>If I gotta go, I think I know where...

I would recommend southern Chile. In the Lakes Region around Puerto Montt.

Very similar in climate and topography to the Pacific Northwest. Good people and fantastic fishing.

And your dollar will go a long way.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 09:06 PM (OGm46)

530 just saying,

That is true. And I'm no longer feeling the need to bother anymore.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:07 PM (kmtse)

531 {{SMFH}}

My Dad and I used to be closer, politically. He was a Libertarian Party activist many many years ago and I was a less hippy Libertarian as far as the 90s. He's gone kind of anti-corporate left (but still kind of anti-all-powerful government and pro-gun and things). We do argue sometimes.

I know people are really tied up in their politics now, and I do block some of the dumber things I see on FB, but I only unfriend people who they do stuff like death wishes and death threats.

I don't know what will work out best for you in this situation, but I hope it happens.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:07 PM (bLnSU)

532 And I would be willing to guess that many of you have not been counter culture before. Do enough to pass. Register as Democrats. Keep up appearances and keep your beliefs to yourself. Have kids and teach them about how America should be. Memorize important things, like Paine's sunshine patriots quote. Maybe we need to go into Fahrenheit 451 mode and memorize entire books. Learn to be self sufficient and try to make friendships with like minded folks.

We don't know what will be needed yet. Maybe forming a Remnant will be enough.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 15, 2015 09:07 PM (5HBd1)

533 In the next few years there will be a conventional arms race in the ME and suddenly the Palestinian/Israeli issue will cease to exist as all the gulf states ally against greater Persia.

In short: Iran gets bomb, tests bomb, Saudi Arabia, the gulf states, & Israel go to war with Iran to keep them from having time to build more bombs.

After Iran is destroyed then the rest of the Arabs either go back to hating the Israelis or start treating with the same level of joking disdain Americans have for the so called "country" of Canada.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at July 15, 2015 09:08 PM (A1Dcl)

534 528 Quit my job Sunday. Selling my house and land. Moving to a ranch in the middle of no-where NM. It is all talk until you do something. I did something. The shit storm is coming. I am not going to be there when it goes down.
Posted by: Big Al at July 15, 2015 09:06 PM (ci6MG)

Best of luck, it always takes a little luck. Everybody has to do what they think is best -- I have no calendar with a date on it get the fuck out. Wish I did.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 09:08 PM (wkuqO)

535 I can't even memorize my day task list on these stupid heart drugs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:09 PM (bLnSU)

536 510
My mom and dad both voted for Obama...twice.

And today, for the first time in my life, I told my dad to get bent.

Now, I'm feeling kinda weirded out.

------------
I feel for you and I understand 100%. My parents, good Midwestern people that they are, were of the folk song army generation and they were the smart people and being Leftist in a neat clean suburban Peter Paul and Mary sort of way was the way to go. Yes, they drank the Kool-Aid and voted for Obummer twice, because he was packaged as the guy they had been waiting to vote for since the sainted JFK. It's been very difficult to tell them in their senior years that they were lied to and they screwed up even worse than their votes for the Georgia Peanut and the Arkansas Pawpaw. In other ways they are generous, loving people and breaking their hearts is not something I like.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 09:09 PM (ry4ab)

537 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 15, 2015 08:47 PM (0LHZx)

And Switzerland is how big? You're making the same mistake leftists make when they say "why can't we be like Sweden?" Well, because Sweden is a small, relatively homogeneous country compared to us. Comparing Switzerland with the US is stupid.

You know, there are atheists who are capable of saying "I'm not into this religion thing myself, but I can see where it brings social cohesiveness and shared standards to a society, so I'm in favor of it." Jonah Goldberg describes himself as "very secular" and yet has said that while libertarians might be hostile to religion, true conservatives are not, because they recognize its value in building a stable society.

You don't see it - which is why you are roundly mocked and nobody thinks of you as being really conservative.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:09 PM (+XMAD)

538 Is there anything to that? It's pretty easy for random websites on the internet to tell stories.

=====/

i look at stories of that type as more like Jungian archetypes than factual anything. it is true as an archetype, sure. the way that story must be told.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 15, 2015 09:10 PM (gTvCM)

539 I just built a house in the middle of nowhere myself. On a lake. Very low population. Very few neighbors. White tailed deer in surrounding woods. Raising our own cattle on some acreage nearby. We are getting ready for whatever is coming.

Posted by: TX ette at July 15, 2015 09:10 PM (cLFfm)

540 I was always the "black sheep" of the family.

Ain't nothing but a thang.

You're not alone there. I actually enjoy it sometimes. Cuts back a bit of the BS they're handing out on any particular day.

Posted by: dartist at July 15, 2015 09:10 PM (ahBY0)

541 My dad unfriended me on FB, Mero...lol.

I'm still flabbergasted at that, lol.

I have to admit, that I take an almost smug moronic honor that I got a Chief Petty Officer to unfriend a lowly buck sergeant...heh.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:12 PM (kmtse)

542 528
Quit my job Sunday. Selling my house and land. Moving to a ranch in the
middle of no-where NM. It is all talk until you do something. I did
something. The shit storm is coming. I am not going to be there when it
goes down.
-----------
Lead the way Big Al.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 09:12 PM (ry4ab)

543 Merovign , i am happy to hear you have you mum. mine died when i was 22 , it's been a long haul without her.

SMFH, if you can protect yourself , it is great, it is also great to have people with you.
i hope we can do this for eachother.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 09:13 PM (nqBYe)

544 I know what it is like. My sister laughs at me when I say government schools. She laughs at me when I say the government has always fucked up the medical profession.

We seldom talk anymore.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 09:13 PM (wkuqO)

545 My battle buddies in Iraq were my family.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:14 PM (kmtse)

546 i would love to have a little shack in middle of nowhere, by water . not too much snow .

i can dream. (no money)

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 09:14 PM (nqBYe)

547 SMFH what's truly sad is I bet your dads social media stream is full of politics but it's all lefty progressive Obama is awesome politics.

I bet he's never said anything to those people nor unfriend them.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 15, 2015 09:15 PM (z/Ubi)

548 I would go even farther and say the fix is in pretty much down to the local level. I watched the Senate race in MS last year where the Reps pretty much manufactured the results they wanted. Family in the north and south end of the state kept me informed of the situation on the ground and also some stuff about even bigger clusterfucks at the local level. One mayoral race was flat out stolen by the entrenched, corrupt southern black democrat machine. It was so balls out that even some of the squishes in local media acted shocked. Even an attempt to fight it out in court was marked by blatant witness and jury tampering that happening very publically. Not a damn thing altered the predetermined result.

We don't have elections, we have referendums over which pig gets to go to feed trough first.

Posted by: Commissar M at July 15, 2015 09:15 PM (KSF9t)

549 539
I just built a house in the middle of nowhere myself. On a lake. Very
low population. Very few neighbors. White tailed deer in surrounding
woods. Raising our own cattle on some acreage nearby. We are getting
ready for whatever is coming.
------------
Even if the storm wasn't coming I would say you did the right thing. it sounds so nice out there.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 09:15 PM (ry4ab)

550 I dream of that all the time also, willow.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:16 PM (kmtse)

551 Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 08:57 PM (kmtse)
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My parents are liberal pukes. I haven't spoken to them in several years. My father was in favor of letting in all ebola victims and that was kind of the last straw.

Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at July 15, 2015 09:16 PM (6qR/9)

552 Besides Moo, who gives a shit about what they believe in Switzerland (the historical homeland of Calvinism - do you have any idea that what means, Moo?) It's America we're taking about. America - which had a very, very strong religious tradition until the left undermined it.

Just try emigrating to Switzerland, Moo. Oh, maybe they'll let you in, if you're actually as rich as Tina Turner.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:16 PM (+XMAD)

553 459 Attack DC? Why would they want to pout their most powerful allies in jeopardy???

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:16 PM (YJeFl)

554 Buzzion,

No. Just me.

Because I'm just. Like. Him. Except conservative.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:17 PM (kmtse)

555 ugh, brb have to change the xbox to netflix childrens movie (bedtime coming up)

yay!

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 09:18 PM (nqBYe)

556 {{willow}} I'm so sorry, I didn't know that about your Mom. That is a long hard run. I wish I could share mine with you.

SMFH, my FB is just about friends, a few former cow-orkers (that's how it started), and lady cosplayers and lady competetive shooters, because, umm... *you know*

I don't see a ton of politics there, apart from the pro-gun stuff.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:18 PM (bLnSU)

557 323 ...With this bill, Democrats are going to be on RECORD supporting this deal

This approach has NEVER achieved the shame and repercussions its advocates think it will. See ObamaCare, for one.

Posted by: That word does not mean what you think it means at July 15, 2015 09:19 PM (nJIZA)

558 550+ comments I don't have time to read them all. But it does sound like the Mad Cow Pie is here

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:19 PM (FnK3f)

559 I don't have any family left to speak of. I had some long-time liberal friends. Relations with them were pretty strained after 2008, and I cut them out of my life altogether in 2012. Now it's pretty much down to the cats and the internet.

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 09:20 PM (sdi6R)

560
Ace is right.

But - I hope he will come around once his anger takes over.

I will now ridicule all political parties equally. I will just be louder when ridiculing progressives. Regardless of party.
If we do nothing . . . They win. That's what they want.

Maybe a Churchill party? - never, never, never, ever give up.

Posted by: GBruno at July 15, 2015 09:20 PM (u49WF)

561 All my family is on FB.

Parents, siblings, children, army buddies.

60+ total.

Not a big friends list.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:20 PM (kmtse)

562 Did anyone see that assmunch from the DNC Zimmerman on Megyn Kelly about the Planned Parenthood video? It's all lies. It's all doctored video. She really didn't say that. Everyone has discredited this smear organization. If there were a way to punch his rotten face through the TV screen they'd be harvesting his organs right now.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 09:20 PM (DiZBp)

563 rickl,

You have family here.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:21 PM (kmtse)

564 Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:16 PM (YJeFl)

You'd think that - but they attacked Manhattan on 9/11.

Striking at the capital of the enemy country sends a message - you think it matters to them that DC is filled with libs? I'm sure they're only laughing harder.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:21 PM (+XMAD)

565 9 Ace. Just don't give the keys to Gabe.
Posted by: Golfman at July 15, 2015 06

So what happened to Maet?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:21 PM (FnK3f)

566 Under the deal, hammered out by six world powers and Iran, a web of sanctions will be gradually lifted as Tehran takes steps to dismantle and mothball much of its nuclear program to ensure it cannot build a bomb.

A vote on the resolution could come as early as Monday or Tuesday, a diplomat said.

... so much for the 60 days

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 15, 2015 09:21 PM (e8kgV)

567 And your dollar will go a long way.

Posted by: JackStraw

Thanks , JackStraw.

My Spanish is decent.

Hate to even think this way but hell...like several people here have noted, even my relatives "call good evil and evil good". Maybe it ain't the United States but America, the idea, could be transplanted.

Wish there was a paper copy expat starter kit I could look at. Teh Internet is a giant lie machine.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 09:22 PM (XaTzU)

568 *Waves to Mis Hum*

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:22 PM (kmtse)

569 550+ comments I don't have time to read them all. But it does sound like the Mad Cow Pie is here
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:19 PM (FnK3f)

****
I believe "was" is the operative word here.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 15, 2015 09:22 PM (2z4UX)

570 Thanks, SMFH.

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 09:22 PM (sdi6R)

571 DNC Zimmerman If there were a way to punch his rotten face through the TV screen they'd be harvesting his organs right now.

His organs are rancid.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 15, 2015 09:23 PM (W5DcG)

572 The best thing about Jade Helm is watching liberals say that no sane person would ever question the motives of the US Military.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:23 PM (bLnSU)

573 As a former member of the military, I don't trust the military.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:23 PM (kmtse)

574 561 All my family is on FB.

Parents, siblings, children, army buddies.

60+ total.

Not a big friends list.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July

Hiya SMFH
60+ that's enough to keep track of without others. I have fb. Kids wanted me to go on it. I look at it maybe once a month. To me it's a PIA

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:24 PM (FnK3f)

575 OK, so we all know the 'leader' is a whiney little bitch who takes pleasure in destroying America and presenting its corps to islam. so, I give you a canning tale. Mrs. E assigned herself and moi to canning duty today. The faucet fixture in the little bar sink needed replacing so I said I'll do that now. She says 'I have to use that for the ice bath'. I told her it'd take a few minutes. 4 hours later, and 3 trips to Lowe's, I was done replacing it. Had to replace the soldered-on cutoff valves with flex fit supply valves and lines. So, anyway in prep for this job I had to clean out all the liquor from under the sink. All through this job from heck, I gazed longingly at the 20 plus year accumulation of liquor. When I got done with chopping, pureeing, and mixing for chow-salsa (a bastard marriage of chowchow and salsa). I needed a drink. Brought Mr. Big Mug from the freezer and mixed about 5 alcohols, juice, and green can Dr. Pepper. It was oh so good that I mixed another out of wodka, fresh tomato juice, and etc. Will be able to help Mrs. E jar up and pop lids because I am not wiped slick yet. Have to do a funeral tomorrow for a WW2 hero. Need to not have a headache. He and his family deserve the best.

Posted by: Eromero at July 15, 2015 09:24 PM (go5uR)

576 Re: SHTF,

The current admin will beg, borrow and steal to keep this pyramid economy afloat. The new administration, Jan. 20, 2017, will deal with the reckoning.
Whether we have a Republican or a Democrat there will be a reckoning and it will not be comfortable.

The reckoning will come shortly after Jan. 20, 2017.

Posted by: Ralph at July 15, 2015 09:25 PM (wH8rX)

577 SMFH, I don't think I know one who does!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:27 PM (bLnSU)

578 Switzerland may not be as homogeneous as you think. But they make it work.

http://official-swiss-national-languages.all-about-switzerland.info

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 15, 2015 09:27 PM (+jijM)

579 drop neo-con traitors like john bolton on iran!

Posted by: william edward hickman at July 15, 2015 09:28 PM (MCscO)

580 >>Hate to even think this way but hell...like several people here have noted, even my relatives "call good evil and evil good". Maybe it ain't the United States but America, the idea, could be transplanted.

Chile is absolutely on my short list if I had to go but I'm not that close yet. And if you want a place that might turn into the US in your lifetime, Chile isn't it.

No place is really, no place that I've been and I've been to a bunch. I hate the direction we are taking but it's still better than just about anywhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 09:29 PM (OGm46)

581 Man plans, God laughs. We don't know everything. Unforeseen events can disrupt any plan. Take care of your own. Pray

Posted by: ThunderB at July 15, 2015 09:29 PM (zOTsN)

582 The EMP threat is worse than a dedicated attack on the power grid. An EMP weapon deprives an enemy not only of his electricity, but of his electronics.
My great concern given that eventuality is not my survival, because I am a mean, ugly, and utterly nasty motorscooter, but for my far-flung family.
Do you have a rally point for your family in the case of a generalized, long-term absence of telecommunication?

Posted by: Leif Ericson's paternal Grandpa at July 15, 2015 09:29 PM (lBHdF)

583 "It's been very difficult to tell them in their senior years that they
were lied to and they screwed up even worse than their votes for the
Georgia Peanut and the Arkansas Pawpaw."

Meh, had to track all the particulars. That is why I tell Mom Dad, you how they say 'birds of feather' and 'apple don't fall far from the tree'... Well, Obamao and his lovely wife are long time associates of Weathermen terrorists Ayers and Dohrn, you know the Weathermen... Ah, so, you already know all about that because you lived through it, and you already knew it...

OK, so you voted for this anti-American knowing damn well what he was about and were bullshitting me the whole time, pretending you bought into the lies...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 09:30 PM (NaeCR)

584
576 Which is why I fear that the "weak" Dem presidentialfield this year is just a setup so that when the crash comes it happens on the Repubs' watch.
And with 0% interest rates and $18 trillion in debt already the resources will not be available to jumpstart our way out of it.

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:30 PM (YJeFl)

585 And EMP is the more likely scenario, at least that's what was taught to us.

Set us back to the 1700s, it's all gravy for the enemy.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:31 PM (kmtse)

586 553 459 Attack DC? Why would they want to pout their most powerful allies in jeopardy???

--

Coz scorpions. It's in their nature.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 09:32 PM (cbfNE)

587 579 drop neo-con traitors like john bolton on iran!

Posted by: william edward hickman at July 15, 2015 09:28 PM (MCscO)

I can Name That Troll in five posts....

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:32 PM (EzgxV)

588 An EMP weapon deprives an enemy not only of his electricity, but of his electronics.

Posted by: Leif Ericson's paternal Grandpa at July 15, 2015 09:29 PM (lBHdF)

LIV: Like does that like mean I can still like use my iPhone or something?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 09:32 PM (DiZBp)

589 I already knew that Switzerland has 3 official languages - but the French, Germans and Italians have long agreed to play by the same rules, which is why the Muzzies are not humored the way they are in other countries.

Again, Switzerland is so small that it cannot be compared to the US as a whole.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:33 PM (+XMAD)

590 And if you want a place that might turn into the US in your lifetime,

Nowhere is . Not even the U.S. itself.

That's the problem.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 15, 2015 09:33 PM (XaTzU)

591 God help me, I will enjoy seeing the special snowflakes try to make way in a world with no electricity.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:34 PM (kmtse)

592 Coz scorpions. It's in their nature.
Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 09:32 PM (cbfNE)

That's the better answer!

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:34 PM (+XMAD)

593 Do you have a rally point for your family in the case of a generalized, long-term absence of telecommunication?
Posted by: Leif Ericson's paternal Grandpa at July 15, 2015 09:29 PM (lBHdF)

***

My family all live in the Chicago area, where I grew up. I have been in Atlanta a long time, and they already think I am a pickup truck purchase away from joining a Militia.

They would be very amused for a few seconds if I suggested this. Then, they would shake their heads and forgot theybever heard it from crazy brother MWNP.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 15, 2015 09:34 PM (2z4UX)

594 "I'm not into this religion thing myself, but I can see where it brings
social cohesiveness and shared standards to a society, so I'm in favor
of it." Jonah Goldberg describes himself as "very secular" and yet has
said that while libertarians might be hostile to religion, true
conservatives are not, because they recognize its value in building a
stable society.

The Japanese subsidized christian missionaries in the pacific islands they won from Germany after WWI. They had their reasons, primarily that they felt that western values were better suited to the residents of the flyspeck archipelago than Shinto.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 09:34 PM (NaeCR)

595 Posted by: TX ette at July 15, 2015 09:10 PM (cLFfm)

A coworker and I have been discussing the idea of buying an acre each in Texas to establish some sort of residency. Just in case.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 15, 2015 09:35 PM (nL0sw)

596 OK, so you voted for this anti-American knowing damn
well what he was about and were bullshitting me the whole time,
pretending you bought into the lies...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 09:30 PM (NaeCR)

It's the Emperor's New Clothes. Social cues tell them that the lies are true and that the truth is the lie, and people who have a very strong social impulse get sucked into it. People like me, who couldn't give two shits what other people think if it isn't true, just go "why is that guy naked?"

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 09:35 PM (HalrA)

597 No place is really, no place that I've been and I've been to a bunch. I hate the direction we are taking but it's still better than just about anywhere.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 15

From your comments past & present it sounds like you travel quite a bit. So I will take your word on it. As I was mowing tonight I noticed once again I'm the only guy with a flag up. I love my country and its origin. I sure hate what it is becoming and I hate this current president and congress

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:36 PM (FnK3f)

598
592 Yeah but attacking NYC was attacking the Great Satan's pocketbook and the capitol of the jews in the U.S.
Muslims attacking D.C. would be like John Boehner attacking a tanning salon.

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:36 PM (YJeFl)

599 Just as a random question -- would anti-static bags function as Faraday cages for an EMP attack?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (EzgxV)

600 Posted by: william edward hickman at July 15, 2015 09:28 PM (MCscO)

Drop lefty traitors like hickman into Michael Moore's asscheeks!!

He'll never be seen again!!

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (+XMAD)

601 I fully expect my family to die, and if not, there is no way I would be able to contact them.

Hate to say this, but since I live in Texas, it will be just my oldest daughter I would concern myself with. My other daughter in IL with my granddaughter I would just have to trust that God will look after them.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (kmtse)

602 This approach has NEVER achieved the shame and repercussions its advocates think it will. See ObamaCare, for one.
Posted by: That word does not mean what you think it means at July 15, 2015 09:19 PM (nJIZA)

^ THIS ^

I hate that pathetic logic.

Posted by: WOPR at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (nRvEn)

603 cooth,

No.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (kmtse)

604 Let's all sound like hysterical pussies!!

Like william edward hickman!!!

beta male pajama boy!!!!!

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:38 PM (+XMAD)

605 Ace, I think you're wrong when you say no Democrats will flip on this final sham vote. I expect this episode of Failure Theatre to have a hilarious twist ending, with all Senate Democrats uniting against The Deal at the last minute, thus forcing McBitchcake to go around twisting arms for enough Republican votes to pass it unilaterally, because the CoC wants access to the big untapped marketplace of Iran.

With the huge number of Senate seats the Republicans have to defend next year, even getting just 34 votes in favor means some GOP Senators who are up for re-election will be forced to vote in favor of normalizing relations with an unrepentant terrorist state that vows to destroy us.

Republicans are already bragging about how they're going to hang this dogshit "treaty" around the necks of the Democrats next year, while the Democrats still have a chance to hang it around the Republicans' necks instead.

Yeah, that's smart politics. S-M-R-T smart.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler- Trump/Fiorina (I) 2016! at July 15, 2015 09:38 PM (wKc1L)

606 God help me, I will enjoy seeing the special snowflakes try to make way in a world with no electricity.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:34 PM (kmtse)

I swear some of them can't take a piss without their phone. If they couldn't use it, they would explode. Hey where's that EMP?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 09:38 PM (DiZBp)

607 Just as a random question -- would anti-static bags function as Faraday cages for an EMP attack?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (EzgxV)

Possibly, but for better results this is the most effective cheap way to go:

https://youtu.be/y3S2KDuVxaU

Posted by: Country Singer at July 15, 2015 09:39 PM (nL0sw)

608 Consider a mass American conservative migration to Canada - like 40-50 million of them or more. The whole population here in Canada is 35 million; what could they really do about it if conservatives became 'undocumented migrants' who want to work to help the society (the way Jorge Ramos frames it)? Ideally, of course, there would be a strategy to gain refugee status.

Another alternative would be a mass migration south -to a place like Guatemala/Honduras/Nicaragua - all as refugee claimants. The American conservative population would simply dwarf the native population.

Or somewhere like Afghanistan or Somalia - take advantage of the anarchy and must move in by force of arms, absorbing any in the local population that wish to join us and build a new nation-state. Not really practical, probably.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 15, 2015 09:39 PM (a42f0)

609 No one's hysterical here, Donna.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:39 PM (kmtse)

610 JackStraw, been to Chile and Argentina four times (Chile 3) and no place in Latin America is truly predictable. Even Chile and Costa Rica. I do know a guy who is living and working in Chile and he seems to like it - but he's not ready to pull the plug on the U.S. Just yet, if ever.

Though having a little farm in Frutillar might be kinda nice...

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 15, 2015 09:40 PM (/WPPJ)

611 >>Nowhere is . Not even the U.S. itself.

>>That's the problem.

Yea, but at least we have a history and still a pretty large portion of our culture agrees with us.

I think we have a better chance of regaining what we want here rather than trying to recreate it somewhere else.

But if I'm wrong I'll probably end up back in the Caribbean before I go anywhere else. If I'm giving up I going full on hedonistic.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 09:40 PM (OGm46)

612
Chimps make me hysterical.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:41 PM (wHFQT)

613 607 I have my underpants constructed as a Farady cage to protect my precious essence

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:41 PM (YJeFl)

614 Set us back to the 1700s, it's all gravy for the enemy.

If the entire world were set back to the 1700s who would come out on top?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 15, 2015 09:41 PM (W5DcG)

615 599 Just as a random question -- would anti-static bags function as Faraday cages for an EMP attack?
Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (EzgxV)

Truthfully I don't know. But it is a good question.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 09:41 PM (wkuqO)

616 I think we have a better chance of regaining what we want here rather than trying to recreate it somewhere else.

--

Agreed.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (cbfNE)

617 Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:39 PM (kmtse)

I was referring to the leftist troll.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (+XMAD)

618
Don't understand why anyone would leave this place.

Everything needed is here, in place and has been proven to work.

The intent--Declaration of Independence

The enumeration of inalienable rights--Bill of Rights

Finally, the blueprint--the Constitution.

This is our bedrock--that which has allowed us to flourish and become the most exceptional country and people on the planet.

You don't need me to list the problems we face--it's evident what they are.

It CAN be fixed--because we are Americans-- the option of failure is denied us.

Never forget that.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (jeCnD)

619 The muzzies would be fools to nuke NYC and DC. The libs are their strongest allies in America.

Better to hit strategic targets in flyover country like oil refineries, or pollute farmland with fallout. Then the Feds get to declare martial law, and the opposition will be crippled.

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (sdi6R)

620 607 Just as a random question -- would anti-static bags function as Faraday cages for an EMP attack?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (EzgxV)

Possibly, but for better results this is the most effective cheap way to go:

https://youtu.be/y3S2KDuVxaU

Posted by: Country Singer at July 15, 2015 09:39 PM (nL0sw)

Heh. I've got Flash turned off until the frantic patching dies down a bit.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (EzgxV)

621 Make them leave. Period.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (wkuqO)

622
I was referring to chimps.

I hate fucking chimps.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (wHFQT)

623 >>>Republicans are already bragging about how they're going to hang this dogshit "treaty" around the necks of the Democrats next year
------------
It's not bragging if you can't do it. Fucking weasels

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:43 PM (FnK3f)

624 Chile has a lot of earthquakes. Can you deal with that?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 09:43 PM (iQIUe)

625 Just as a random question -- would anti-static bags function as Faraday cages for an EMP attack?
Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:37 PM (EzgxV)
------ Not at all if they're in contact with the object, minimally if not. An actual screen cage is much more effective if set up properly. Someone tested that IIRC, you can look it up online.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:43 PM (bLnSU)

626 613 607 I have my underpants constructed as a Farady cage to protect my precious essence

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:41 PM (YJeFl)

Yeah, I could believe that.....

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:43 PM (EzgxV)

627 the option of failure is denied us.

Never forget that.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (jeCnD)

Failure is always an option, never doubt that, anything built by man can and will fail. But if we fail, we die. That said, there are things worse than death, and foremost among them would be living through the "utopia" that these assholes want to create.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 09:44 PM (HalrA)

628 I hate fucking chimps.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the

You're doing it wrong

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:44 PM (FnK3f)

629
Aren't we overdue for another installment of Issa Theater?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:44 PM (wHFQT)

630 We are downsizing our lifestyle to prepare for the misery to come once the economy crashes.
It's always good to have a plan B.

Posted by: ALH at July 15, 2015 09:44 PM (btTLZ)

631 Exactly how far can an ICBM travel?
Posted by: Infidel at July 15, 2015 06:34 PM (cojT9)

I believe, by definition, from one continent to another, Allah willing.

Unless Israel has somehow (let's hope) Stuxnetted their guidance systems to go whack-a-mole and give the muzzies the seventh century situation they so hope for.

Posted by: Tax Paying Clinger at July 15, 2015 09:44 PM (Nd0Lm)

632 irongrampa, as someone who raised her hand three times to take that oath, I understand the sentiment.

But it's not longer about shit being fixed.

It's about taking care of yours.

Not about failure.

It's about survival.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:44 PM (kmtse)

633 Heh. I've got Flash turned off until the frantic patching dies down a bit.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (EzgxV)

Summary of video: "lab test" of a metal garbage can as a Faraday Cage. Seal lid with aluminum tape. Line the inside with cardboard so whatever you're protecting doesn't touch the metal.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 15, 2015 09:45 PM (nL0sw)

634 625 Of course Maxwell would say it depends on the distance

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:45 PM (YJeFl)

635 622
I was referring to chimps.

I hate fucking chimps.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (wHFQT)

How 'bout first or second base?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:45 PM (EzgxV)

636 If the entire world were set back to the 1700s who would come out on top?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 15, 2015 09:41 PM (W5DcG)

Most likely, the US.

But it would not be pretty.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 15, 2015 09:45 PM (AkOaV)

637 Better to hit strategic targets in flyover country like oil refineries, or pollute farmland with fallout.

If they pollute farmland with fallout the blue cities will starve.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:46 PM (+XMAD)

638 Russian ICBMs would take about 30-45 minutes to reach the US in the 80s, and vice versa.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:46 PM (kmtse)

639 I swear some of them can't take a piss without their phone. If they couldn't use it, they would explode.

I would enjoy the show.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 15, 2015 09:46 PM (/gQcK)

640 >>>If the other members of the SC, the same P5 + 1 who have been in on these negotiations, vote yea then it doesn't really matter if the Senate votes to veto it, does it?

We'd be the only country agreeing to sanctions.

...

an irrelevant objection; throughout this bullshit, France and Germany have been HARDER on Iran than we are, more determined for REAL concessions by the Iranians.

The situation you posit, that we were alone in wanting to keep the sanctions, is false.

The French and Germans have complained for a year that the US is acting as Iran's spokesmen.

Posted by: ace at July 15, 2015 09:46 PM (bhepQ)

641 Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (sdi6R)

In just about any nuclear scenario, I don't even have time to think about it. I live a couple of blocks from Texas AM. Being a major science and research hub, it'll be targeted.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 09:46 PM (HalrA)

642 Israel will have to ally itself with Saudi Arabia, Jordan and whatever remnants of civilization remain - and attack Iran. As someone posted earlier, the Doomsday Clock is closer than ever to Midnight.

Posted by: Jen at July 15, 2015 09:47 PM (msAGT)

643 ace,

Yet it no longer matters.

Iran will be a nuclear power.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:47 PM (kmtse)

644 Just eight minutes after
President Barack Obama wrapped up a White House press conference he
called on Wednesday to defend a day-old nuclear deal with Iran, the
Islamic republic's supreme leader used Twitter to tweak him.

Wow Barry he hit you where it hurts on Twitter. Of course it's on the Daily Mail. Iran laughing in Barry's face will never make the US press

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 09:47 PM (DiZBp)

645 640 >>>If the other members of the SC, the same P5 + 1 who have been in on these negotiations, vote yea then it doesn't really matter if the Senate votes to veto it, does it?

We'd be the only country agreeing to sanctions.

...

an irrelevant objection; throughout this bullshit, France and Germany have been HARDER on Iran than we are, more determined for REAL concessions by the Iranians.

The situation you posit, that we were alone in wanting to keep the sanctions, is false.

The French and Germans have complained for a year that the US is acting as Iran's spokesmen.

Posted by: ace at July 15, 2015 09:46 PM (bhepQ)

You need to do an AoSHQ world tour -- like the surprise appearance at the NoVaMoMe, but EVERYWHERE.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:48 PM (EzgxV)

646 The French and Germans have complained for a year that the US is acting as Iran's spokesmen.

Posted by: ace at July 15, 2015 09:46 PM (bhepQ)

And when France is calling the USA out for surrendering, you know we're living in bizarro world.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 09:48 PM (HalrA)

647 And the United States of America will go down in history.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:48 PM (kmtse)

648 #623: Yeah, that's pretty much the point I was making.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler- Trump/Fiorina (I) 2016! at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (wKc1L)

649
Wait, so the Republicans are gonna vote for obama's Iran deal and then hang it around the D's neck in 2016??

You know what, Republicans?

Stick obama's Iran deal up your asses.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (wHFQT)

650 Most likely, the US.

But it would not be pretty.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 15, 2015 09:45 PM (AkOaV)

Agreed. .....and no it would not.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (/gQcK)

651 Damn, we can't rip up the place without a supervisor showing up. OK put the deck chairs back.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (wkuqO)

652 > Never forget that.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 09:42 PM (jeCnD)

Unfortunately, the majority (LIV's, FSA's) of this nation doesn't want to change the current trajectory.

Insurrection by an active minority is needed to change the more immediate future outcome.

Posted by: some guy out there someplace in big square states at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (Mo7RF)

653 an irrelevant objection; throughout this bullshit, France and Germany have been HARDER on Iran than we are, more determined for REAL concessions by the Iranians.

The situation you posit, that we were alone in wanting to keep the sanctions, is false.

The French and Germans have complained for a year that the US is acting as Iran's spokesmen.

Posted by: ace at July 15, 2015

I thought you were going to scoot for the evening. Don't be afraid to take off. The Germans talk tough see Greece

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (FnK3f)

654 Ace is back!

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (cbfNE)

655 No baseball tonight so here I am bugging who I can.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 09:50 PM (wkuqO)

656 It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: "And this, too, shall pass away." How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! -- how consoling in the depths of affliction! "And this, too, shall pass away." And yet let us hope it is not quite true. Let us hope, rather, that by the best cultivation of the physical world, beneath and around us; and the intellectual and moral world within us, we shall secure an individual, social, and political prosperity and happiness, whose course shall be onward and upward, and which, while the earth endures, shall not pass away.

A. Lincoln Sept 30, 1859

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 09:51 PM (rwI+c)

657 *looks busy*

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 15, 2015 09:51 PM (2z4UX)

658 But it would not be pretty.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 15, 2015 09:45 PM (AkOaV)

Read David Crawford's Lights Out. Pretty grim. Alternately, read the 2008 EMP Commission report. Also very grim.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 15, 2015 09:51 PM (nL0sw)

659 You know, I've held off on buying a gun. Because I really would only need one if everything goes to shit.

And I'm wavering....I'm not sure that I, a middle aged single woman would care to live in a world where everything goes to shit - yeah, I have a survival kit, oh hooray, I waxed the guys who were after my beans and water, so I can survive a few more days....

Really, what would be the point? Those of you with children - well, I can understand that. I'd be planning and stocking up on stuff. But me? In the city? There's no point.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:51 PM (+XMAD)

660
We are downsizing our lifestyle to prepare for the misery to come once the economy crashes.

It's always good to have a plan B.

Posted by: ALH at July 15, 2015 09:44 PM (btTLZ)

The economy is already in shitter. It's like Wile E. Coyote running off the cliff and his legs are still going until he looks down then he falls. The MFM just keeps try to spin things so that no one looks down and notices the bottomless pit below

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 09:52 PM (DiZBp)

661 @SMFH-
In my brief time back here at AoS (after a long hiatus), one of the things that has stood out to me is the love and respect you seem to have for your parents. Even though you obviously don't agree on political matters, the family ties are still there.

So it irritates me to see folks face stuff like this. It tells me how deeply embedded the leftist demand for conformity really is in our society. It turns us against each other at every level and in every relationship. Even people who aren't strongly left wing but more "default democrat" will endlessly defend the faith and write off those who disagree with them, regardless of their ties. Yes, we're adults and we know this can and does happen but it doesn't make it any better when it you have to deal with it.

Posted by: Commissar M at July 15, 2015 09:52 PM (KSF9t)

662 while the earth endures, shall not pass away.

Give him credit but we know more now.

Posted by: science at July 15, 2015 09:52 PM (wkuqO)

663 637I
f they pollute farmland with fallout the blue cities will starve.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:46 PM (+XMAD)

Not if they declare martial law, confiscate the remaining food, and starve the kulaks.

I was just idly musing that hitting targets in the real America might be mutually beneficial to the muslims and the left, instead of hitting the cities where the leftists live.

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 09:52 PM (sdi6R)

664 659 A gun would give you control over the dates and manner of your living and dying

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:53 PM (YJeFl)

665 Y'know what, guys.....Amazon's "Prime Day" fiasco wasn't even worth looking at, I'm trying to make sense of all the shit I already have, and this blog is about the only thing keeping me on the sanity scale (I've given up on actually being sane). I'm going to hit the tipjar. And I'm copying this post into the ONT, provided we eventually get one.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 09:54 PM (EzgxV)

666 And when France is calling the USA out for surrendering, you know we're living in bizarro world.

They are just envious of my regal french countenance. Neigh. Whinny.

Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 15, 2015 09:54 PM (Dwehj)

667 @ 632

Certainly you ensure your survival. Be dumb not to take those steps.

Doing so lets you start to fix shit.

Got to say, I would consider it an honor to have served with you.

Wore the uniform with PRIDE, yet when I see the men and women serving today, it humbles me.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 09:54 PM (jeCnD)

668 A gun would give you control over the dates and manner of your living and dying

They're also fun, and a reasonable investment.

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 09:54 PM (rwI+c)

669 Donna,

As a former armament tech myself, I would strongly recommend you to get one.

There are much, much worse things than death.

Iraq taught me that much, especially when it comes to women.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:54 PM (kmtse)

670 Really, what would be the point? Those of you with children - well, I can understand that. I'd be planning and stocking up on stuff. But me? In the city? There's no point.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:51 PM (+XMAD)

In other words preppers who are not armed are just grocery stores when shtf.

Posted by: science at July 15, 2015 09:54 PM (wkuqO)

671 Really, what would be the point? Those of you with children - well, I can understand that. I'd be planning and stocking up on stuff. But me? In the city? There's no point.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:51 PM (+XMAD)

{{{Donna}}}

You could always join MY team. And there are plenty of other morons and ettes who feel the same way. C'mon over.

Posted by: tcn at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (+YMhA)

672 One of my cow-orkers got the $75 32" TV this morning. I think that was probably the best of the deals.

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (rwI+c)

673 Donna, if you have the money, buy a gun. Have fun at the range.

Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (cbfNE)

674 647
And the United States of America will go down in history.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:48 PM (kmtse)

Everything has a beginning and an end, but ideas live on, and the ideas that made America great live in the hearts of millions, not just here, but abroad. In legions of people denied immigration by a quota system, while mendacious politicians flood us out with illegals.
There will be another great Republic. Let's just hope it doesn't take over fifteen hundred years like last time...

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (HalrA)

675 655 No baseball tonight so here I am bugging who I can.
Posted by: just saying at July 15

Soccer?its almost as exciting

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (FnK3f)

676 619
The muzzies would be fools to nuke NYC and DC. The libs are their strongest allies in America.

Better to hit strategic targets in flyover country like oil
refineries, or pollute farmland with fallout. Then the Feds get to
declare martial law, and the opposition will be crippled.
----------
And yet ricki on 9/11 they hit NYC and D.C.. The Muzzies want to go after us in our most iconic places, not the places where things get done. Blasting the famous Big Apple skyline into radioactive rubble or pulling an ID4 on all the fancy buildings in D.C. would make their day and serve notice to the world that the Great Satan had been brought down.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (ry4ab)

677 "Whay, you Freedom-Fry-eating surrender apes!" - The French

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 09:56 PM (bLnSU)

678 I would have been honored to have served beside you, irongrampa. You remind me of why we do what we do.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 09:56 PM (kmtse)

679 >>an irrelevant objection; throughout this bullshit, France and Germany have been HARDER on Iran than we are, more determined for REAL concessions by the Iranians.

It's not irrelevant to the discussion that has been going on here in the comments.

Yes, France and Germany have been objecting. And then rolling over. And will vote in favor of this deal next week at the UN SC. And then the sanctions will fall apart regardless of what happens in the Senate.

Why do you think the UN is even weighing in on this? Because it was an international sanctions program. We led these sanctions years ago and organized the world community and Obama is tossing it away. He always had the power to do that because he is, whether we like it or not, the guy who speaks for the US on the world stage and if we make it clear that we are rolling over on sanctions that Russia and China have been cheating on all along the game is over.

The bad guy here is Obama and always has been. The whole Senate thing is kabuki.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 09:56 PM (OGm46)

680 And when France is calling the USA out for surrendering, you know we're living in bizarro world.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 09:48 PM (HalrA)

A million French marched against gay marriage (hey, moo, what do you think of that? They love soccer, they're not religious, and yet, jeez, they don't like gay marriage! Maybe you need to go over there and tell them to be more sophisticated.)

I used to make fun of the frogs all the time, although I know a couple who are nice and sensible and they made me feel bad about it. Now - why, exactly, do we claim to be superior to them? They don't allow late term abortions and think we're barbarians for doing so. And they're right! What say you, Moo?

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:57 PM (+XMAD)

681 The ESPYs are a joke.

I'm not even watching they are such a joke, but every so often, something comes across my Facebook feed.

Lebron James won Best Championship performance. His team didn't even win. Why was he even nominated? The fact that Lebron James beat any of the other nominees is just plain sad. But, I really thought American Pharoah had it in the bag.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 15, 2015 09:57 PM (adaac)

682
Prediction: Before obama the terrorist leaves the White House, the Redskins will no longer be the Redskins. And Washington D.C. will have statehood.

How so, you ask? Because obama will decree it so. Ratification, you say! To which I say: The Constitution is a dead, living document.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:57 PM (wHFQT)

683 651 Damn, we can't rip up the place without a supervisor showing up. OK put the deck chairs back.
Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (wkuqO)

Probably ought to clean up all these rubber bands, too.

Posted by: tcn at July 15, 2015 09:57 PM (+YMhA)

684
A horse won an Espy?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:58 PM (wHFQT)

685 Soccer?its almost as exciting
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (FnK3f)

Aaaaand that right there is why the Grand Republic is failing.

Are you even an American, dude?

Posted by: tcn at July 15, 2015 09:58 PM (+YMhA)

686 The French even have car-b-ques.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 15, 2015 09:59 PM (W5DcG)

687 I'll have you know my kakubi doesn't stink.

Posted by: Mc Connell at July 15, 2015 09:59 PM (wkuqO)

688 It tells me how deeply embedded the leftist demand
for conformity really is in our society. It turns us against each other
at every level and in every relationship. Even people who aren't
strongly left wing but more "default democrat" will endlessly defend the
faith and write off those who disagree with them, regardless of their
ties. Yes, we're adults and we know this can and does happen but it
doesn't make it any better when it you have to deal with it.

Posted by: Commissar M at July 15, 2015 09:52 PM (KSF9t)

They are fanatics. If they're told the sky is green and the grass is purple they will foam at the mouth scream h8ers at anyone who says it's blue and green. The truth, facts, reality, nothing matters to them only their agenda matters. No matter how many mass graves they need to achieve it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 09:59 PM (DiZBp)

689
656 It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: "And this, too, shall pass away." How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! -- how consoling in the depths of affliction! "And this, too, shall pass away." And yet let us hope it is not quite true. Let us hope, rather, that by the best cultivation of the physical world, beneath and around us; and the intellectual and moral world within us, we shall secure an individual, social, and political prosperity and happiness, whose course shall be onward and upward, and which, while the earth endures, shall not pass away.

A. Lincoln Sept 30, 1859

Posted by: Grump928(C) reposts at July 15, 2015 09:51 PM (rwI+c)

Thank you for this.
We had to endure Carter before we got Reagan.

Posted by: ALH at July 15, 2015 09:59 PM (btTLZ)

690
669, 670 Yipyipyipyip
The problem is we've been so civilized for so long we've forgotten what savages really act like.
As the cartels move further and further north we'll get a reminder
Update: no need! lo@@k: http://tinyurl.com/nfxkfox

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:59 PM (YJeFl)

691
Ace has that last dance clip from Dirty Dancing on twitter. It's funny bc when I think of Ace I think of Swaze leaping into the aisle and cha chaing down. That's exactly how Ace dances.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 09:59 PM (iQIUe)

692 personally if things really went south we'd be finished early, as we cannot run, and have no arms, and soo many people depending on us at this point.
city life. ugh.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 10:00 PM (nqBYe)

693 I don't see another Reagan on the horizon.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:00 PM (kmtse)

694 I travelled a lot to Latin America and Japan for work. I was in Mexico city 3 days after the '85 earthquake. I was in Buenos Aires when the currency crashed. I was in Venezuela during the attemped coup against Chavez (ever been on a flight that left an hour and a half early?). Just lucky, I guess. I was already retired when the tsunami hit Japan, so you can't blame that one on me.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 15, 2015 10:00 PM (+jijM)

695 In other words preppers who are not armed are just grocery stores when shtf.
Posted by: science at July 15, 2015 09:54 PM (wkuqO)

***

Indeed. And they get paid for their wares in a very Fergusonesque manner.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 15, 2015 10:00 PM (cygkw)

696 The bad guy here is Obama and always has been. The whole Senate thing is kabuki.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 09:56 PM (OGm46)

It's all kabuki at this point. The two parties have solidified into a political caste that pretends opposition while working together to continuously expand Federal powers. There is no opposition, there isn't even a vote.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:00 PM (HalrA)

697
Really, what would be the point? Those of you with children - well,
I can understand that. I'd be planning and stocking up on stuff. But
me? In the city? There's no point.
---------------
Your continued existence is the point, Donna. Your life, your liberty and your pursuit of happiness are all valuable. You don't need to go large, a small-frame pistol will do the job nicely and not break your budget or your back. You may think it's a bother, but trust me, the goblins know what a gun is, and what it does. If you look serious about using it they will go find easier prey.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 10:00 PM (ry4ab)

698 I'm cold-blooded enough that I think I'd be ok.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:00 PM (kmtse)

699 Are you even an American, dude?
Posted by: tcn at July 15, 2015 09:58 PM (+YMhA)

WTF do you think?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 10:01 PM (FnK3f)

700 We had to endure Carter before we got Reagan.

Posted by: ALH at July 15, 2015 09:59 PM (btTLZ)

We're a lot worse off now then we were during Jimmah's reign of terror.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 10:01 PM (DiZBp)

701 I was already retired when the tsunami hit Japan, so you can't blame that one on me.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 15, 2015 10:00 PM (+jijM)

**edges slowly away from bergerbilder**

Posted by: tcn at July 15, 2015 10:01 PM (+YMhA)

702 @659 Au contraire, meine Schwester!
Since you are a Christian woman, you could comfort a Christian brother as he lay dying, with The Word. Aloes and myrrh, anyone? If you have an alabaster jar, and a garden, and have time to prepare an ointment of spikenard...
Or, as I am aging, I know that I would be a bullet-stop for my grandchild (as yet, as of yesterday, as a matter of fact, the very first), if it came to that....
Like Marines. They stop bullets for civilians, as little as we deserve it.

Posted by: Leif Ericson's paternal Grandpa at July 15, 2015 10:01 PM (lBHdF)

703 You have to be special kind of stoopid to prep with no armament.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:01 PM (kmtse)

704 How so, you ask? Because obama will decree it so.
Ratification, you say! To which I say: The Constitution is a dead,
living document.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 09:57 PM (wHFQT)

They betrayed and murdered the Constitution when they claimed it was a living, breathing thing.
Irony. I hate it.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:02 PM (HalrA)

705 I don't see another Reagan on the horizon.

In fairness, I didn't see Reagan coming during the dark days of Carter either. The Democrats and the Communists, birm, seemed to have things going their way.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 10:02 PM (rwI+c)

706 676 619
The muzzies would be fools to nuke NYC and DC. The libs are their strongest allies in America.

Better to hit strategic targets in flyover country like oil
refineries, or pollute farmland with fallout. Then the Feds get to
declare martial law, and the opposition will be crippled.
----------
And yet ricki on 9/11 they hit NYC and D.C.. The Muzzies want to go after us in our most iconic places, not the places where things get done. Blasting the famous Big Apple skyline into radioactive rubble or pulling an ID4 on all the fancy buildings in D.C. would make their day and serve notice to the world that the Great Satan had been brought down.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (ry4ab)

Well, yeah. They're big on spectaculars like that.

But note my first sentence. Nuking the leftist power centers would make it more likely that America as originally conceived might be reconstituted. That could tend to backfire on the muzzies in the long run.

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 10:02 PM (sdi6R)

707 677
"Whay, you Freedom-Fry-eating surrender apes!" - The French
---------------
Yeah, the world is upside down.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 10:02 PM (ry4ab)

708 this brings to mind me reading left blogs back when Boosh was in, they also believed the sky was going to fall on them and camps.. I have to remind myself why they fell for the whole hope and change bling.

it's like we're being played , they thought Boosh was doing as Obama IS doing but Obama is pure and Boosh was the deceiver.

weird as hell

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 10:03 PM (nqBYe)

709 WTF do you think?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 10:01 PM (FnK3f)

Easy there, fella. Just ribbing, on account of you bringing up soccer. Not trying to piss in anyone's cornflakes. Probably miss anyway, so I'll leave that for a guy.

Posted by: tcn at July 15, 2015 10:03 PM (+YMhA)

710 My Plan B does not include surrender.

Posted by: ALH at July 15, 2015 10:03 PM (btTLZ)

711 Would a zombie apocalypse really be that bad? How wd it start? An infected meteor landing and infecting the earth? Chemical warfare gone awry? When does that spin off start? I am ready to eat some hipsters. mmmm....hipsters!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 10:04 PM (iQIUe)

712 SMFH @ 647- The U.S. Will not go down in history. It will be blotted out like the C.S.A. is being blotted out right now. But it won't be the yankees writing (re-writing/obliterating) the history this time. It will be the islamocommies. But on a bright note, I just put a Taurus 941 .22mag 4inch barrel revolver on layaway. Whoot!

Posted by: Eromero at July 15, 2015 10:04 PM (go5uR)

713 We're a lot worse off now then we were during Jimmah's reign of terror.

In some ways yes, in others no, though with the rising nuclear threat, that may be changing.

I do know one thing; I'll not see the inside of the camps.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 10:05 PM (rwI+c)

714 Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 09:52 PM (sdi6R)

The kulaks here are armed. And speaking of that, there's this:

664 659 A gun would give you control over the dates and manner of your living and dying
Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 09:53 PM (YJeFl)

Well, I guess. I did have my eye on a Glock 42, I believe it was, before I lost heart (and also before it got so nice outside I didn't feel like going to the indoor range to try out other guns... I need to go to the range, I'm not a great shot...)

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 10:05 PM (+XMAD)

715 Easy there, fella. Just ribbing, on account of you bringing up soccer. Not trying to piss in anyone's cornflakes. Probably miss anyway, so I'll leave that for a guy.
Posted by: tcn at July 15, 2015 10:03 PM (+YMhA)

Guess I forgot to wink

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 10:05 PM (FnK3f)

716 In fairness, I didn't see Reagan coming during the
dark days of Carter either. The Democrats and the Communists, birm,
seemed to have things going their way.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 10:02 PM (rwI+c)

The big difference is Jimmah was a joke. By 1979 (Hostages in Iran) Jimmah was being openly mocked for the fool and incompetent he was. Barry is being glorified all day and night. We're also a lot dumber country (thanks teachers) now than we were back then.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 10:05 PM (DiZBp)

717 And yet ricki on 9/11 they hit NYC and D.C.. The Muzzies want to go after us in our most iconic places, not the places where things get done. Blasting the famous Big Apple skyline into radioactive rubble or pulling an ID4 on all the fancy buildings in D.C. would make their day and serve notice to the world that the Great Satan had been brought down.

They are a shame culture, not a guilt culture like the West. To them, publically humiliating us IS winning...

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 15, 2015 10:06 PM (a42f0)

718 I met GWB when he gave his lil speech after we came back from Iraq in 2004.

He talked about how PROUD the nation was that our division caught Saddam.

Yet none of us we allowed so much as a pen in our uniform when we marched to the 1st Cav parade field (we were 4th ID).

No phones, no smokes, no pens, no lighters...here at Ft Hood. Guess we were too much of a threat I supposed.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:06 PM (kmtse)

719 Diseases kill outright, I do not plan on a zombie apocalypse. In the absence of a controlling government the gangs will be the local government unless they are not allowed. I find it interesting muslim countries need tyrants in charge to keep them controlled.

Posted by: Mc Connell at July 15, 2015 10:07 PM (wkuqO)

720 I do know one thing; I'll not see the inside of the camps.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 10:05 PM (rwI+c)

Same here. I'm always amazed when ISIS is able to march long lines of people that could overwhelm the gunmen and tear them limb from limb. How is it that they don't fight, and just go meekly to their deaths, which they have to know is coming? I don't understand it.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:07 PM (HalrA)

721
I wonder what Harvard and Naval Academy professor and nuclear weapons expert Tom Nichols thinks of obama's deal with Iran?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:07 PM (wHFQT)

722 I will never see the inside of a fucking camp.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:07 PM (kmtse)

723 But me? In the city? There's no point.

Sure there is. At the very worse, going down swinging is better than any other alternative to me.

Posted by: dartist at July 15, 2015 10:08 PM (ahBY0)

724 I will never see the inside of a fucking camp.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:07 PM (kmtse)

Caveat: "Except as a liberator."

Posted by: Country Singer at July 15, 2015 10:08 PM (nL0sw)

725 weird as hell

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 10:03 PM (nqBYe)

Downright incomprehensible. The world has gone completely mad.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:08 PM (HalrA)

726 SMFH

Obama's inauguration the bolts were out of the rifles.

Posted by: Mc Connell at July 15, 2015 10:08 PM (wkuqO)

727 Well, I guess. I did have my eye on a Glock 42, I believe it was, before I lost heart (and also before it got so nice outside I didn't feel like going to the indoor range to try out other guns... I need to go to the range, I'm not a great shot...)
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 10:05 PM (+XMAD)

Greatness can be achieved Donna

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 15, 2015 10:09 PM (FnK3f)

728 Caveat: "Except as a liberator."

Posted by: Country Singer at July 15, 2015 10:08 PM (nL0sw)
This a million times.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:09 PM (HalrA)

729
I DO wish that this kindly old man could be allowed to live his life peacefully, without aggravation.

If that should prove to be impossible, then someone will have the phrase "your worst nightmare" truly defined.

That you may bet the farm on.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 10:09 PM (jeCnD)

730 Obama's inauguration the bolts were out of the rifles.

Zombie Sadat nods.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 10:09 PM (rwI+c)

731
I do know one thing; I'll not see the inside of the camps.

Sure you will.

When you sneak over to the fence to speak to Harry Dean Stanton and me. We'll yell AVENGE ME!!!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:09 PM (wHFQT)

732 716: This country has gone full retard. There are a lot of Mary cloggensteins out there. For real, they will never be reached.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 15, 2015 10:09 PM (ucDmr)

733 659 You know, I've held off on buying a gun. Because I really would only need one if everything goes to shit.

And I'm wavering....I'm not sure that I, a middle aged single woman would care to live in a world where everything goes to shit - yeah, I have a survival kit, oh hooray, I waxed the guys who were after my beans and water, so I can survive a few more days....

Really, what would be the point? Those of you with children - well, I can understand that. I'd be planning and stocking up on stuff. But me? In the city? There's no point.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 09:51 PM (+XMAD)

First things first -- become more knowledgeable about guns so that you can perform competently should one fall into your possession.....

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 10:09 PM (EzgxV)

734
720 Ask the Jews and the Kulaks.
Civilized people expect life to unfold in a civilized way

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:10 PM (YJeFl)

735 The bad guy here is Obama and always has been.

Oh, horsie shit. Obama is the bleeding pustules that you get from fucking a whore. He's the symptom, not the cause. You been puttin your dumb dick where it oughtn't'a been, and now you got a horrible and obviously painful case of Obama. Will shit, sparky, maybe you should cypher this shit out some day.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at July 15, 2015 10:10 PM (Q819Q)

736 Late to the party again I see, so I'll make it short.

A majority of this country can just go screw itself now. In no way, shape or form am i united with liberal scum and their supporters. They are a greater evil than AQ or ISIS and should be treated accordingly.

I nominate DC, NYC, LA, Bahston and Detroit for Iranian nuke targets. I pray for the destruction of my enemies.

Posted by: Blano at July 15, 2015 10:10 PM (NHQQx)

737 Cato, sometimes i believe in the kool-aide conspiracy

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 10:11 PM (nqBYe)

738 @711 - No. We are at a point where a Zombie Apocalypse would not be that bad....

Posted by: Jen at July 15, 2015 10:11 PM (msAGT)

739 And I'm wavering....I'm not sure that I, a middle aged single woman would care to live in a world where everything goes to shit - yeah, I have a survival kit, oh hooray, I waxed the guys who were after my beans and water, so I can survive a few more days....

When the time comes, you might find yourself wanting to live.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 15, 2015 10:11 PM (a42f0)

740 back!
Posted by: @votermom at July 15, 2015 09:49 PM (cbfNE)

Quick hide the hookers and the blow!

(He'll take it all for himself)

Posted by: Buzzion at July 15, 2015 10:12 PM (z/Ubi)

741 734

720 Ask the Jews and the Kulaks.
Civilized people expect life to unfold in a civilized way

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:10 PM (YJeFl)
Maybe that explains it, I'm mostly Scot-Irish. I am not mindless, but I am a barbarian.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:12 PM (HalrA)

742 739 A gun gives you options, whichare a good thing to have

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:13 PM (YJeFl)

743 I'm not a great shot...

The average gun fight in America occurs at a distance of 18". You don't have to be that good. With pistols, I don't use sights at all. If I need to use it, and not have a rifle, I better be able to point and click.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 10:13 PM (rwI+c)

744
I would thrive in a zombie apocalypse.

I'd be like Rick, minus the unfaithful wife and annoying kid.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:13 PM (wHFQT)

745 706
676 619

The muzzies would be fools to nuke NYC and DC. The libs are their strongest allies in America.

Better to hit strategic targets in flyover country like oil

refineries, or pollute farmland with fallout. Then the Feds get to

declare martial law, and the opposition will be crippled.

----------

And yet ricki on 9/11 they hit NYC and D.C.. The Muzzies want to go
after us in our most iconic places, not the places where things get
done. Blasting the famous Big Apple skyline into radioactive rubble or
pulling an ID4 on all the fancy buildings in D.C. would make their day
and serve notice to the world that the Great Satan had been brought
down.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 09:55 PM (ry4ab)

Well, yeah. They're big on spectaculars like that.

But note my first sentence. Nuking the leftist power centers would
make it more likely that America as originally conceived might be
reconstituted. That could tend to backfire on the muzzies in the long
run.
=---------------
The Muzzies who would do it don't give a damn about our political system or who is President. All of the USA is the enemy, including the useful idiots who give them the nukes. If the entire east coast sprawl went up in one big nuclear fireball there would be dancing in certain streets of the Muslim world. I remember the Palestinians celebrating in 9/11, they didn't care about anything except the death and damage.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 10:14 PM (ry4ab)

746 soothsayer:

I come here for the laughs thanks.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 10:14 PM (wkuqO)

747 741 That may becomevery useful sometime sooner than we think

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:14 PM (YJeFl)

748 Black.

Cherokee.

German.

Fuck with me.

Please.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:14 PM (kmtse)

749 748...

I add Irish and Comanche....

Posted by: Mr Wizard at July 15, 2015 10:15 PM (hCdMd)

750 ace-

If you're still reading tell me if you think this is irrelevant.

>>A draft U.N. resolution on the Iran nuclear deal that says U.N. sanctions would "snap back" if Iran fails to meet its obligations also contains a surprise: The crucial mechanism will end in 10 years.

>>The draft, obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, states that none of the seven previous U.N. resolutions on Iran sanctions "shall be applied" after 10 years, and "the Security Council will have concluded its consideration of the Iranian nuclear issue.

But a U.S. official familiar with the details of the resolution said the five veto-wielding permanent members of the council agreed that a new resolution would be adopted at the end of 10 years to reinstate the snap back mechanism for an additional five years. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly.

http://tinyurl.com/ou3lwh2

That would be today. While most were focused on Obama's bullshit presser today, this was already being "considered" at the UN SC. Considered by the same people who you say were objecting to this all along and yet also the same people who were part of the group that agreed to the deal.

Yea, we have manufactured consent alright but it is on the global stage and not just in DC. This deal is already done.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 10:15 PM (OGm46)

751 Oh, and Carter didn't cause Reagan. Sorry. Reagan was Reagan long before Carter was anything. I mean, besides a bunny-fearing faggot with a drawl.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at July 15, 2015 10:15 PM (Q819Q)

752 I guess I shouldn't really be surprised to find it possible we can end up like many countries before us.
and actually many-many suffering now.
we believed we were special because we were given something special,
individuality and rights.
funny how some fkn bastards elcted could strip us of those rights .
and our uniqueness.

Posted by: willow at July 15, 2015 10:15 PM (nqBYe)

753 With rifles, at least 20'...handguns, 5'.

Claymores...heh.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:15 PM (kmtse)

754 The Muzzies who would do it don't give a damn about
our political system or who is President. All of the USA is the enemy,
including the useful idiots who give them the nukes. If the entire east
coast sprawl went up in one big nuclear fireball there would be dancing
in certain streets of the Muslim world. I remember the Palestinians
celebrating in 9/11, they didn't care about anything except the death
and damage.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 15, 2015 10:14 PM (ry4ab)

Exactly. They're not political geniuses and masterminds. To them, we are all the enemy, to be destroyed or brought to our knees and made to kiss the ring.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:15 PM (HalrA)

755 If there's one thing you can learn from internet "fail" videos, it is: stay away from Russia.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 15, 2015 10:16 PM (bLnSU)

756 Black.

Cherokee.

German.

Fuck with me.

Please.

Scots

German

Lumbee.

I hear ya.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 10:16 PM (rwI+c)

757
745 Sure hope you're right.
What would we do without Hollywood???

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:16 PM (YJeFl)

758
Have you seen the new "love has no labels" tv ad campaign you're paying for?

"Love is love." It's an ad that celebrates homosexual marriage disguised as an ad for "love."

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:16 PM (wHFQT)

759 720
I'm always amazed when ISIS is able to march long lines of people that could overwhelm the gunmen and tear them limb from limb. How is it that they don't fight, and just go meekly to their deaths, which they have to know is coming? I don't understand it.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:07 PM (HalrA)/i]

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?. . . The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If. . . if. . . We didn't love freedom enough. And even more -- we had no awareness of the real situation. . . We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."

~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

***

With all the lessons of history at our disposal, not to mention the Second Amendment, if we go quietly to the camps, we will "purely and simply deserve everything that happens afterward."

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 10:17 PM (sdi6R)

760 "mmmm....hipsters!"

And, they're ORGANIC!

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 15, 2015 10:17 PM (+jijM)

761 729
I DO wish that this kindly old man could be allowed to live his life peacefully, without aggravation.

If that should prove to be impossible, then someone will have the phrase "your worst nightmare" truly defined.

That you may bet the farm on.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 10:09 PM (jeCnD)

Are you not aggravated?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 15, 2015 10:17 PM (EzgxV)

762
752 "we believed we were special because we were given something special "
Inscribe that on the epitaph

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:17 PM (YJeFl)

763 Bumper sticker:

We Only Crush the Unusable Parts
Planned Parenthood

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 10:18 PM (9mTYi)

764 USMC light bird fired for being "too aggressive":
http://preview.tinyurl.com/no7m9ko

Posted by: Leif Ericson's paternal Grandpa at July 15, 2015 10:18 PM (lBHdF)

765 Sooth,

Only have Roku, Amazon Prime and Netflix.

I avoid as much as I can places that air ads.

Thank you, Ad Block!

Cut the cord, dude.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:19 PM (kmtse)

766 Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:01 PM (kmtse)

Well, I guess I'm a special kind of stupid then.

After I read that people in Boston were screwed because of a water main break, I started storing water. After I read that people in Sandy ran out of food in 2 days, I brought beans and canned food. I wasn't thinking nuclear holocaust, just a few days of fucked up supply chain.

But I live in a city apartment. A very secure city apartment, which is why I've never felt the need for a gun. Even if it wasn't secure, I always felt the odds of being singled out of 200 units was small. This neighborhood is low crime. I feel safe in my place and I don't go out late very much - I'm not 25 and closing the bars. And I can't take a gun to work.

That's why I have never felt the need for a gun until recently. But hey, I'm a special kind of stupid anyway, right? I'd probably shoot my foot off, so what the hell.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 10:20 PM (+XMAD)

767 Geraldo is on TV talking about the hunt for el Chapo. I'd like to see el Chapo pop up and punch Geraldo in the nose.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 15, 2015 10:20 PM (W5DcG)

768
Major Garret blew it.

I woulda asked obama: Hey fuckface, do you believe in Iranian exceptionalism? Because it sure as shit seems so.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:20 PM (wHFQT)

769 " The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

The greatest trick the Republican party ever pulled was convincing the voters that the corporatist owner class was on their side.

We vote in corporate sycophants who have no care for what we, the voters, want done.. year after year.

I'm through with the Republican Party. Let it burn. It is time for revolution.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 15, 2015 10:20 PM (UpGcq)

770 763...it's the absolute reality of the statement that is so horrific

Posted by: Mr Wizard at July 15, 2015 10:21 PM (hCdMd)

771 > Really, what would be the point?
Uh, your life?

> I'd be planning and stocking up on stuff. But me? In the city? There's no point.

In case you change your mind, the url links to a fairly small sized, reasonably priced option.

tinyurl.com/npmmc9g

Posted by: Defend yoursefl, and what you believe in. at July 15, 2015 10:21 PM (bFjhm)

772
764 Actually she insisted Marine women be at least somewhat equivalent to men. ONE pullup instead of none.
No reason why a woman should not score as high as a man on the range, for instance. She made the mistake of trying to live the supposed standards

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:21 PM (YJeFl)

773
Well, I'm eating supper, talking to yous, and watching The Bionic Woman.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:21 PM (wHFQT)

774
I should be in the Land Of Nod..

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:22 PM (wHFQT)

775 @ 761

Intensely, on an increasing basis.

Prefer not to be.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 15, 2015 10:22 PM (jeCnD)

776 @759 - And on July 4th, a group of 10 passengers on a DC Metro train stood by while a thug attacked and stabbed to death a man....

Posted by: Jen at July 15, 2015 10:22 PM (msAGT)

777 "Caitlyn" Jenner to receive Self-Mutilation Award.
Media : It's normal and healthy. To be admired.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 10:22 PM (9mTYi)

778 Donna,

I never said you were a special kind of stupid, but if you want to be all woe-is-me, whatevs.

You're the one that is resigned to die at the first sign of any trouble.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:22 PM (kmtse)

779 People who think they don't need a gun are usually depending on other people with guns to protect them

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:23 PM (YJeFl)

780 >>You know, I've held off on buying a gun. Because I really would only need one if everything goes to shit

Well, you might need it for more mundane reasons or just regular crime right?

Better to have and not need, I think.

Posted by: Lea at July 15, 2015 10:23 PM (apDfI)

781 777
"Caitlyn" Jenner to receive Self-Mutilation Award.

Media : It's normal and healthy. To be admired.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 10:22 PM (9mTYi)

This is the humiliation phase, where Pravda feeds us the bullshit, and we are supposed to swallow it and repeat it loudly for their amusement.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 15, 2015 10:23 PM (HalrA)

782 And SMOD sent Its only son to live among us, and his name was called Trump, the Donald.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler- Trump/Fiorina (I) 2016! at July 15, 2015 10:24 PM (wKc1L)

783 " Nuking the leftist power centers would
make it more likely that America as originally conceived might be reconstituted. "

What makes you think that Iran or ISIS or Muzzies in general know one good goddamn thing about America as originally conceived?

Shit, 52% of Americans don't know one good goddamn thing about America as originally conceived.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 10:24 PM (+XMAD)

784 Cut the cord, dude.

Speaking of roof antenna, I'm about to crawl my old ass up on the roof with one. Can you ground the thing to a post in the ground or does it have to go to my electric service?

Posted by: dartist at July 15, 2015 10:24 PM (ahBY0)

785 Exactly Lea.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:24 PM (kmtse)

786 Donna

LOL funny reply. Some apartment have weight limits for the floor but freeze dried food is very light. A month's supply for a few hundred. Use the water you already have.
Don't let us tell you what to do...oops. LOL

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 10:24 PM (wkuqO)

787 SMFH When I hear you, this old soldier becomes more hopeful for our country, come what may. Donna, Get a weapon. Use it enough to be a serious threat to evil.
"Now remember, when it looks like you're not going to make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb mad dog mean. 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is." Jose Wales
"There is no defense against wicked men (with whom the world is ever rife) except good men who are as formidable." Thomas Berger

Posted by: Vn Redleg at July 15, 2015 10:25 PM (L7quo)

788 I'd probably shoot my foot off, so what the hell.
Posted by: Donna
---------------

So would many of us...., but the "bang" itself is probably pretty effective.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 10:25 PM (9mTYi)

789
"Shit, 52% of Americans don't know one good goddamn thing about America as originally conceived."
HAHAHAHA... oh shit wait...

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:26 PM (YJeFl)

790 783
What makes you think that Iran or ISIS or Muzzies in general know one good goddamn thing about America as originally conceived?

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 10:24 PM (+XMAD)

They don't. That's why I said they'd be fools to do it.

Posted by: rickl at July 15, 2015 10:26 PM (sdi6R)

791 Can you ground the thing to a post in the ground or does it have to go to my electric service?
Posted by: dartist
-------------------

Ground rod.
That is, a proper grounding rod driven into the earth.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 10:27 PM (9mTYi)

792 Naked Dating is a television show? Who thinks up this shit?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 10:27 PM (iQIUe)

793 Donna,

You would not shoot your foot off. I have trained many troops that were skittish around weapons. None of them shot their foot off. It's not all that hard. it's all about awareness.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:28 PM (kmtse)

794
Wait, Harry Dean Stanton was in Red Dawn and Repo Man.

Red Dawn with Charlie Sheen.
Repo Man with Emilio Sheen.

What else was Harry Dean in?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:28 PM (wHFQT)

795 Naked Dating is a television show? Who thinks up this shit?
Posted by: Bruce
--------------------

It is impossible to go broke overestimating the vulgarity of the American public.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 10:28 PM (9mTYi)

796 Ground rod.

That is, a proper grounding rod driven into the earth.

Thanks, I was hoping that would work.

Posted by: dartist at July 15, 2015 10:29 PM (ahBY0)

797 Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:14 PM (kmtse)
------------------------------
And hawt.
Don't forget hawt.

Posted by: Chi at July 15, 2015 10:29 PM (3241I)

798 Electrically the ground rod and the electrical system use the same earth. Sans the resistance of the green wire.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 10:29 PM (wkuqO)

799 Sight picture.

Breathing.

Trigger squeeze.

And muzzle awareness at all times.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:29 PM (kmtse)

800 Hey Chi : )

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:30 PM (kmtse)

801 Donna, dear, do you ever house-sit within the state of Wisconsin?
Wisconsin law "permits" (as if the 2A doesn't) it's citizens to own SMGs:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nomjxfq

Posted by: Leif Ericson's paternal Grandpa at July 15, 2015 10:30 PM (lBHdF)

802
798 Yeah but I believe the grounding conductor is required to be a certain thickness
NEC 250.94

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:31 PM (YJeFl)

803 A few years ago, after seeing this post, ace would have banned himself.

That is not much of an embelishment.

Posted by: eman at July 15, 2015 10:31 PM (MQEz6)

804 According to NEC rules the antenna can be grounded to a water pipe but the water pipe must enter the earth within 5 feet of where the ground connection is made on the pipe. This pipe then would have to be underground at least 3 feet to be effective.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 15, 2015 10:31 PM (9mTYi)

805 I nominate DC, NYC, LA, Bahston and Detroit for Iranian nuke targets. I pray for the destruction of my enemies.
Posted by: Blano at July 15, 2015 10:10 PM (NHQQx)

Can we leave Detoit off the list? Not much left anyway, and I have grandkids in Toledo.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 15, 2015 10:32 PM (+jijM)

806 Yo corgis!

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at July 15, 2015 10:32 PM (1brdf)

807 795 Naked Dating is a television show? Who thinks up this shit?
Posted by: Bruce
--------------------

It is impossible to go broke overestimating the vulgarity of the American public
Where are the mamas of these stupid girls? If I had even mentioned doing something as low rent and vulgar, my mother would have killed me graveyard dead. But first she would have disinherited me just for drill.

Posted by: TX ette at July 15, 2015 10:32 PM (cLFfm)

808 I'm gonna have to agree with everyone telling you to get a gun, Donna.

There are worse things than death, and in the worst possible Burning Times scenarios... I can imagine finding myself grateful to have at least one bullet left for myself.

And I really frickin' hate suicide; I think in normal situations, it's a shitty thing that assholes do to hurt everyone who is in even the smallest way acquainted with them.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler- Trump/Fiorina (I) 2016! at July 15, 2015 10:32 PM (wKc1L)

809 Sight picture.

Breathing.

Trigger squeeze.

And muzzle awareness at all times.
Posted by: SMFH
----------------------------

Bwahahahaha

Posted by: Adrenaline gland at July 15, 2015 10:33 PM (9mTYi)

810 796 Watch this wonderful video on antenna grounding: http://tinyurl.com/qb3cnz4

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:33 PM (YJeFl)

811 Where did sevens post go?

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 10:34 PM (wkuqO)

812 Donna @ 766- Safest city?
Me and Mrs. E live in one of the safest sanest counties in Texas. In a private club you have to be voted into. Do we feel safe? Yeah, somewhat. When the zombies come they come in droves. Everybody knows that. We are armed always, and we have many, many options of what we shoot. Many. Will old out-of-shape folks like us live to see America rise from the ashes (and there will be ashes)? Probably not. Will we surrender? Will I bow or Mrs. E don a burkha? No fcuking way. Come to ETEX, Donna. Be our neighbor.

Posted by: Eromero at July 15, 2015 10:34 PM (go5uR)

813 Ultimately, don't you owe it to the rest of us to take their maximum number with you.
Welcome those bastids to the infernal region.

Posted by: The basics at July 15, 2015 10:35 PM (lBHdF)

814 My My ... How the worm has turned.

From "Fuck you, Mike Flynn will save us all" to "Let it burn", just that quickly.

Posted by: Trips at July 15, 2015 10:36 PM (0HqNX)

815 Trips,
Times change and call for a different approach. I'm a let it burn kinda guy but I don't recall ace being as radical as I am. He lets a lot go by in here--I know because we had a disagreement the other day and I'm still here. Free speech and all that.

Posted by: just saying at July 15, 2015 10:38 PM (wkuqO)

816
I was saving this for a later thread but it looks like there will be no later thread. This is a video of a symposium on Ayn Rand and the Hwd Blacklist. The panel eviscerates the commies. This link was originally posted by the nephew of Herbert Biberman, one of the Hwd 10, who states outright his uncle was a traitor.

On the video there is an old guy, who doesnt give his name but says he was blacklisted. I recognized who he was: Robert Lees. He was a real shit to Eli Kazan a few years earlier.

Unfortunately for Mr. Lees, about 2 years after this video, a man broke into his house and cut off his head and took it with him.

http://goo.gl/7txnz9

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 10:38 PM (iQIUe)

817 "Look, let's be real here. There will never be any kind of populist revolt against the government."

There wasn't in 1775 either. About a third of the colonists supported the Patriots (an approximately like number were Loyalists, and the rest blew with the wind), and only about a tenth of those supporting the Patriots actually took the field.

In other words, about three percent.

Posted by: The Next First Zek at July 15, 2015 10:38 PM (ybzJi)

818 Sight picture.

Breathing.

Trigger squeeze.

And muzzle awareness at all times.

Posted by: SMFH

----------------------------

Dime washer exercise... but a zinc penny is cheaper.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 15, 2015 10:38 PM (NaeCR)

819 From "Fuck you, Mike Flynn will save us all"

Welcome, stranger.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 15, 2015 10:38 PM (rwI+c)

820 #748:
Cherokee.

Viking.

Jewish (from Germany).

We have a fair bit in common, genetically speaking!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler- Trump/Fiorina (I) 2016! at July 15, 2015 10:38 PM (wKc1L)

821 Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 15, 2015 10:28 PM (kmtse)

Like I said, I joined a range in the spring to get a feel for what sort of pistol I would want to buy. (Never shot a firearm before then.) The instructor is a Glock enthusiast. I really have to practice - there are so many goddamned things to remember...however I did better with the G42 than with anything else - except it only holds 6 or so rounds and I had to buy a thinamajig to help with reloading, because it was taking me half a day to put in those 6 rounds.

The last time I was there, I fired a heavier Glock which held 10 rounds. And I really wanted to like it because I wouldn't have to reload so much, but it was too heavy. There was recoil and I didn't like how it felt in my hand.

And then it got nice outside, and I didn't want to stand in an indoor range and shoot. And while the gun rental isn't that expensive, the ammo really costs....

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 15, 2015 10:39 PM (+XMAD)

822 802 Looks like the antenna ground must also be bonded to the house grounding system.

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:39 PM (YJeFl)

823 Nood!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 15, 2015 10:39 PM (iQIUe)

824 798 depends on the soils too

Posted by: MAx at July 15, 2015 10:40 PM (YJeFl)

825 Watch this wonderful video on antenna grounding

Killin me. lol, thanks.

Posted by: dartist at July 15, 2015 10:40 PM (ahBY0)

826 Welcome to the dark side, Ace!

Posted by: WC Varones at July 15, 2015 10:41 PM (3EUeD)

827 #766: If you're looking for an actual metropolis that'd be safe in the burning times... Maybe Colorado Springs?

It's nowhere near Boston's size, but it is one of the most conservative true metro areas in the US.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler- Trump/Fiorina (I) 2016! at July 15, 2015 10:41 PM (wKc1L)

828 Here's the view from Tehran. Not much mention of the US Senate but there is some mention of the Germans and the French.

http://tinyurl.com/qzee7sm

Done deal.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 15, 2015 10:42 PM (OGm46)

829 Major Garret blew it.

I woulda asked obama: Hey fuckface, do you believe in Iranian exceptionalism? Because it sure as shit seems so.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 15, 2015 10:20 PM (wHFQT)

I would have told him to knock the smug grin off his face. Just because the rest of the boot lickers are going to grovel it's about time he got a tough question

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 15, 2015 10:43 PM (DiZBp)

830 #829: "Mr. President, have you stopped sucking the mullahs' dicks yet?"

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler- Trump/Fiorina (I) 2016! at July 15, 2015 10:44 PM (wKc1L)

831 Any separate ground must be bonded to the main house ground point.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 15, 2015 10:46 PM (go6ud)

832 Unlike Ace, I can't possibly see how my senators or congressman would get behind something that would increase the odds of them getting nuked. Now if Ace is represented Chuck Schumer, that's Ace's fault for living in Asshole Central. MOVE! Burn your house down behind you, sow the lot with salt, and leave Chucky a message detailing why you left. Louisiana is looking pretty nice lately.

Posted by: hurricane567 at July 15, 2015 10:46 PM (KJzL3)

833 So now America as a whole, goes the way of Oakland, Detroit, St. Lois, New Orleans, Baltimore and the other Democrat urban strongholds... slow decay, ruin and violence.

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 15, 2015 10:46 PM (KlVdw)

834 Can we fund journalists spending time with Ace or some other real American? Make them see reality like in a John Hughes film.

Ace rules, Williamson needs to spend more time with him and Drew rules 2!

Posted by: Ubik at July 15, 2015 11:23 PM (gc4JK)

835 You persist with the lie that somehow Obama, despite his repeated assurances to the contrary, could somehow be forced to submit the Iran deal to the Senate for ratification. You never state how this would happen, so you must know it would require a veto-proof demand from Congress, 290 in the House and 67 in the Senate. Yet, Corker's bill is the most that could put together such a majority.

To continue to insist upon what you must now know to be untrue indicates not only personal dishonesty, but a desire to deceive your readers. How does this make you any different from, say, Dana Bash?

Posted by: Adjoran at July 16, 2015 12:33 AM (QIQ6j)

836 Posted by: Adjoran

Are you totally dishonest, or merely stupid?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 16, 2015 07:35 AM (rwI+c)

837 Wow , that was one of the best articles I have read all year. It is a shame what has happened to this once great nation...

Posted by: marine43 at July 16, 2015 09:39 AM (Qovtd)

838 Toga Party!

Posted by: torabora at July 16, 2015 10:58 AM (n5ly6)

839 This article is so depressing. No one tells the truth anymore.
I feel we have lost the country.

Posted by: Rene at July 16, 2015 11:08 AM (RT3r7)

840 "Now I don't. So now I find myself agreeing with Chomsky, albeit from a rightward direction. I don't agree with him about who controls the country, or to what political ends; but I do with agree with him that it is controlled."

this fact has been staring us in the face since the crash of '08... but I am glad you have finally accepted it.

once the truth is accepted the machinations and doings of the Ruling Class (both Dem and Repub) make a coldly logical sort of sense... they are doing what benefits them and their major donors without any regard to what is good for the Nation as a whole, the Constitution or the Rule of Law.

the leadership of both political parties have exactly the same goal(s)

Posted by: Shoey at July 16, 2015 11:37 AM (vA94g)

841 Congress gave up its prerogative years ago on declaring war. There has not been a declaration of war since WWII, and even that vote was close, yet I do believe that many thousands of military have gone overseas and been killed fighting.

So instead they have assclown votes on "use of force" so that if it goes well, which a half-assed operation never does, they can claim credit. And if it goes bad, which it has always done, they can blame the Commander in Chief.

The Corker bill is of the same ilk.

Posted by: pj at July 16, 2015 11:46 AM (cHuNI)

842 40 The logjam finally broke when I consented to allow Teresa to be fucked by a camel at the signing ceremony.
Posted by: Jean F. LeKerry, Secretaire d'Etat at July 15, 2015 06:21 PM (8ZskC)

Where'd they find a blind camel?

Posted by: West at July 16, 2015 11:59 AM (6E2GS)

843 "831 Any separate ground must be bonded to the main house ground point."

Always excellent advice.

Posted by: West at July 16, 2015 12:00 PM (6E2GS)

844 Open Thread. Turning off the computer for the day for purposes of mental health.

Posted by: Ace at 06:05 PM

Deserter! Get back here and suffer like everybody else!

Posted by: Lurking In The Wilderness at July 16, 2015 12:11 PM (1Y+hH)

845 "Spoiler Alert: Iran gets the bomb and the gold, Obama gets to pretend
he's a statesmen, and Republicans get to pretend they opposed any of
this.'

You don't have to work hard to convince me that Obama would get statesman's robes in return for a higher chance of getting nuked. You'd have a harder time convincing me that 100 Senators and 435 (?) Congressmen would also be willing to get nuked for some sort of pretend game. That's why i still sleep OK at night. Obama might be that dumb, but odds of all of those people, even Schumer, being that stupid are pretty long. The odds of Israel being this dumb are even longer.

Posted by: hurricane567 at July 16, 2015 12:26 PM (KJzL3)

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