Overnight Open Thread (7-9-2015)

Now a major portion of the left has stopped even pretending that they value work. Hence the growing support for a guaranteed minimum income, a lifetime handout large enough to provide everyone with a comfortable existence. The goal, according to one supporter of this idea, is precisely to allow people not to work. [But] the evidence suggests that when people are paid just for breathing, when they lose the basic habit of working, they don't spend their time writing symphonies. They sit on the couch smoking pot and watching bad TV.

-- Robert Tracinski

Quote of the Day II

"Generally speaking, it's probably good advice not to try to commit a crime at a business that sells Class III firearms."

WFB: Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders, a Comparative Analysis

Gender
Clinton: Cis Female

Sanders: Cis Male
Advantage: Sanders. Hillary would be the first cis female president in history, but as the New York Times wrote in 2008, this is "not a reason" to select a candidate. In fact, the Times argued that Hillary's obsessive focus on "firstness" in 2008 had "tarnished the campaign." Historically, most presidents have been male. The edge goes to Bernie.

What If Most of Our Crazy Times Is Really All Due to a Small Group of Activists?

"Exactly two people are responsible for filing over 1,700 sex discrimination complaints with the federal Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights in the last few years. Catherine E. Lhamon, the Education Department's secretary for civil rights, won't identify these two highly litigious individuals. . . . Under the Obama administration, the growth in the Department of Education's sex discrimination complaints has been astounding. In 2010, Lhamon's office saw just 391 such complaints. In 2014, the number was 2,354."

Perhaps we should consider the Col. Kurtz solution.

NY Times Keeps Ted Cruz's Bestselling Book Off Bestseller List

It turns out their bestseller list is not actually a list of the bestselling books. To appear you have to sell some books but must also meet special secret NYT criteria.

"We have uniform standards that we apply to our best seller list, which includes an analysis of book sales that goes beyond simply the number of books sold," Times spokesperson Eileen Murphy explained when asked about the omission. "This book didn't meet that standard this week."

Unpersoning the Bad Thinker: FAA to Drop Donald Trump-Related Navigation Codes

The Everything's a Problem Blog

Because It's Summer, Weather Can Be 'Climate' Again

Clerk Provides Funny Commentary For That One Time She Was Held At Gunpoint

Heh.

Panzers in the Cellar: The Pensioner Culture That is Germany

It seems the tank's presence wasn't much of a secret locally. Several German media reports mention that residents had seen the man driving it around town about 30 years ago. "He was chugging around in it during the snow catastrophe in 1978," Mayor Alexander Orth was quoted as saying. But he later added: "I took this to be the eccentricity of an old man, but it looks like there's more to it than that."

The $7 Dollar Homemade Shotgun

Income Inequality From Caveman Times to Now

Because primate brains have a center dedicated to detecting unfairness within the group and our brains are still basically operating off Pleistocene firmware.

Anthropological studies of foraging societies suggest that their Gini coefficients for income and accumulated wealth both averaged around 0.25. In farming societies, however, the average income inequality almost doubled, to 0.45. The Roman Empire scored around 0.43, England in 1688 about 0.47, and France on the eve of the Revolution an eye-watering 0.59. Inequality in accumulated wealth increased even more, regularly topping 0.80.
But then everything changed again with the industrial revolution. Fossil fuels released a flood of energy, with steam and electricity powering machines that vastly augmented human and animal labor.

...The big question, of course, is just where this sweet spot is. By 1970, the Organization for Economic Cooperative and Development nations had driven post-tax income inequality down into hunter-gatherer territory, averaging just 0.26 on the Gini scale. The economic difficulties of the following decades, however, suggest that this was perhaps too low. Most people apparently thought so, electing governments in the Reagan-Thostaer era that allowed the rich to keep more of their gains. By 2012, average post-tax income inequality in the O.E.C.D. had drifted up to 0.31, but new waves of economic difficulty indicate that this is getting too high. The rise of populist, anti-elitist parties suggest that many people again agree.

If the twists and turns of economic history over the last 15,000 years and popular will are any guide, the "right" level of post-tax income inequality seems to lie between about 0.25 and 0.35, and that of wealth inequality between about 0.70 and 0.80. Many countries are now at or above the upper bounds of these ranges, which suggests that Mr. Piketty is indeed right to foresee trouble.
At the same time, the patterns of the past tend to reveal new questions just as much as they answer old ones. Farming swept away foraging and fossil fuels swept away farming; today, there are signs that the fossil fuel world, in turn, is coming to an end.

Also The Caveman's Home Was Not a Cave.

Overcoming Starvation: The Average Woman Today Weighs As Much As A 1960s Man

New statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that the average American has packed on the pounds in the past 50 years. Both men and women have gained a considerable amount of weight since 1960, with the average American woman now weighing 166.2 pounds - nearly identical to what American men weighed in the 1960s. U.S. men have been getting bigger too, gaining nearly 30 pounds from the 1960s to 2010 - 166.3 pounds to 195.5 pounds today. The good news is that both sexes have gained almost an inch in height since then, so that accounts for some of the overall weight gain.

"Harbingers of Failure": Consumers Who Habitually Pick Losers

Is your favorite TV show always getting cancelled? Did you love Crystal Pepsi? Were you an early adopter of the Zune? If you answered yes to these questions, researchers say you might be a "Harbinger of Failure." In a study published in the Journal of Marketing Research, researchers identified a group of consumers whose preferences can predict products that will fail. "Certain customers systematically purchase new products that prove unsuccessful," wrote the study authors. "Their early adoption of a new product is a strong signal that a product will fail.

Russian Artillery Crew Vs. 'Controlled' Avalanche

Advantage: Avalanche

How Does the Infamous NYSE "Pit" Depicted in Many Movies Actually Function?

There are a lot of reasons that they are alive in well in the option pits, but mostly its because the option pits are a better system at the moment and have more liquidity then electronic trading. If youd like to know details as to why and how it is better i can get into that but for now ill focus on your original question.
In my pit there about 150-200 guys on a given day depending on how busy it is. It may seem crazy but the pit is a very efficient system. It is controlled chaos, but it is transparent, there are checks and balances, etiquette and rules. Much of what you can do trading electronically would be seen as criminal in the pit. Again if you have interest i can provide specific examples.

In basics as others have said, there are 2 types of people in the pit. The brokers (work with customer) and the "locals" or market makers. The brokers will work with everyone from funds, to producers or users of a commodity and even other prop groups. The "locals" job is to try and make a 1/8th 1/4 cent of "edge" off of whatever they trade as many times as they can.

So ill walk you through how a typical trade happens..

I get a phone call. Customer wants me to "quote" the December 500 calls.

I scream at the top of my lungs as well as hand signal, "Hey Dec 500 calls, where are they" ( or something along those lines)

The locals in the pit scream back and hand signal two prices. First what they are willing to Pay for the Dec 500 calls or their Bid. And second what they are willing to sell the Dec 500 calls at or their offer.

I tell the customer on the phone, the market is 1 bid at 1 and a 1/2. (meaning locals want to pay 1 and they want to sell it at 1 1/2)
The customer tells me to sell 100 at 1 1/4.

Man Bids $10K For a Girlfriend

Meteor Showers on Demand?

A Japanese start-up company called ALE is partnering with researchers at multiple universities to create the artificial meteor showers, which will cost around $8,100 per meteor for buyers. The researchers said the manufactured meteors would be bright enough to be visible even in areas with light pollution, like Tokyo, assuming clear weather.
...The cubelike satellite that would release the artificial shooting stars is being developed by ALE in conjunction with the outside researchers. The satellite would orbit the Earth from north to south at an altitude of about 250 to 310 miles (400 to 500 km) for months at a time before falling back to Earth and burning up.
ALE is keeping the chemical makeup of the pellets it would launch secret, but the company revealed that it is considering different chemical compositions to create streaks of different colors.

Is There a New Faster Way to Swim?

Judge Rules Hulk Hogan Only Allowed One Plain Bandana During Gawker Libel Trial

Yahoo group. That is all.

Come on be a smartie and join the yahoo group party! For the children. The beautiful, sweet sweet tender-fleshed children.

And my lo-fi Twitter spew.

Tonight's post brought to you by ready for the weekend:

Notice: Posted by permission of AceCorp LLC. Note that the ferrets are for display only. No horseplay in the Danger Room. Do not taunt happy-fun ball.

Posted by: Maetenloch at 11:21 PM

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1 oof

Posted by: Mr. Mxyzptlk at July 09, 2015 11:22 PM (kHJ3a)

2 First!

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at July 09, 2015 11:22 PM (SzdTw)

3 oy!

Posted by: conanthelibertarian at July 09, 2015 11:22 PM (U9nBh)

4 Er, Second!

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at July 09, 2015 11:23 PM (SzdTw)

5 Yay ont woot woot
Thanks Maet

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:24 PM (xJGO2)

6 Yay! And filled with lots of content, too!

Thanks ever so much, Maet {{{hugs}}}

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 09, 2015 11:24 PM (+dxMm)

7 Shit winds are a'comin'

Posted by: J. Lahey at July 09, 2015 11:26 PM (gcE+A)

8 Oh yeah, ONT!

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 09, 2015 11:26 PM (Y74qL)

9 Why the hell do we care about "income inequality"?

Unless I'm being compelled to give someone my money...so what if they earn more?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2015 11:27 PM (5LOno)

10 Sup....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 09, 2015 11:28 PM (JtAAl)

11 Evening morons, how fares the horde?

At work, but hopefully will have the opportunity to peek in from time to time. Hoping I didn't piss off too much of the horde with my comments on ace's professional versus working whites thread.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 09, 2015 11:28 PM (b2cFu)

12 Unless I'm being compelled to give someone my money...so what if they earn more?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2015 11:27 PM (5LOno)

My attitude exactly. So Bill Gates is ever so slightly better off than I am. So? Does that make me worse off? I couldn't care less what he has or doesn't have.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 09, 2015 11:29 PM (oKE6c)

13 I agree. Women need less underwear.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 09, 2015 11:29 PM (JtAAl)

14 Holy crap Maet, no slacking from you on your "Friday"

Good job old chap

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:29 PM (xJGO2)

15 Trump should reach out to Brat to join Team Trump.

Brat could level Trump up so he could be the vehicle to deliver the message.

Let's face it, the other candidates are timid and or GOPe shills or just do not have the gravitas to do the job.

Remember, it was Trump that got Obama to release his bullshit birth certificate.

Dude is fearless.

Say what you want about Trump, and there's a lot to be said, he's put himself on the line and is suffering real damages.

Why just today the FAA has now said its rescinding Trumps special call signs for his planes because that's what the fully weaponized federal government does now to its enemies.

Much like I was on team Cain because quite frankly I'm done with the professional politican/lawyer class, sorry Cruz, I want someone who's actually accomplished something in the real world.

Is Trump perfect, hell no, but he is saying things that matter to me and is taking real damage for it.

I appreciate that.

So for now I'm on Team Trump.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 09, 2015 11:29 PM (WVvzl)

16 I made it to the ONT!
Yay!
Thanks Maet!

And now good night!

Posted by: @votermom at July 09, 2015 11:30 PM (cbfNE)

17 So maybe the Red Blacks may win this?

Posted by: logprof: Go Bombers! at July 09, 2015 11:30 PM (gcE+A)

18 Per the Trasinksi quote, what we need is a new book, Working For Dummies.

1. Ass, couch -- Some disassembly required.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 09, 2015 11:30 PM (Y74qL)

19 Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 09, 2015

No offense taken here CC

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:30 PM (xJGO2)

20 *taunts happy fun ball*

Posted by: Buzzion at July 09, 2015 11:31 PM (B+J99)

21 Geiger Counter for the weekend? Well, I was just going to mow the yard and fcuk around.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 09, 2015 11:31 PM (JtAAl)

22 oh my GOSH I love the scolding-harridan feminist icons.
Heh heh heh.

Posted by: no one of consequence at July 09, 2015 11:32 PM (whMsz)

23 Yeah, good ONT, avalanche, angry females, lots of science, and bonus, Hulk Hogan. It is a veritable renaissance of ONT here . . .

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at July 09, 2015 11:32 PM (SzdTw)

24 "*taunts happy fun ball*"

Oh, you don't want to do that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 09, 2015 11:32 PM (JtAAl)

25 Feels like we're living in an Ayn Rand novel.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 09, 2015 11:32 PM (NeFrd)

26 All you need to know about the Left is how it sees Neil deGrasse Tyson on the one hand and Clarence Thomas on the other.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2015 11:32 PM (8zCR+)

27 What I don't understand that if the economy is doing so well, why does there need to be a minimum wage increase?

Posted by: RGallegos at July 09, 2015 11:33 PM (49Jfq)

28 Thanks, MH. I didn't see anyone quoting it in anger in the next hundred posts, so I figured I was probably safe...but then I had to leave for work, and no idea what happened afterwards.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 09, 2015 11:33 PM (b2cFu)

29 That Federalist piece is dead on about 7 liberal pieties that only we nasty Cons still believe. Even my gray-haired pinko parents taught them to me along with school before the Nineties happened and everyone older than 40 in my life suddenly got very cynical...or very desperate sounding.

1. The right to offend. (PC and fist-shaking lefties made that uncool.)
2. the value of a liberal education. (Liberal here means "opposite of PC inquisition.".)
3. Government should stay out of the bedroom. (SCOTUS, anyone?)
4. Live and let live. ("Free to be you and me"? AH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!)
5. Support for Israel. (It officially became uncool for lefties during either the Lebanon War or the Intifada.)
6. Support for human rights. (Lefties believe in life, liberty, and happiness for SOME people SOME of the time.)
7. The dignity of the working man. (Did the Left let them keep any?)

Posted by: exdem13 at July 09, 2015 11:34 PM (ry4ab)

30 CC your a good guy and not a fuckwad

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:35 PM (xJGO2)

31 Feels like we're living in an Ayn Rand novel.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 09, 2015 11:32 PM (NeFrd)

Or Orwell.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2015 11:35 PM (8zCR+)

32 Bastards at the NYT.

There's a reason I celebrate when 'journalists' die.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at July 09, 2015 11:35 PM (AC0lD)

33 I coulda been a contendah.

Posted by: Grump928(C) blurts at July 09, 2015 11:36 PM (rwI+c)

34 How's everybody?

I had a...discussion...shall we say, with the morning hosts at one of the stations about his tendency to play songs waay out of the format. He's a former program director who has his own ideas about how we should do things here. LOVE those kinds of people.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2015 11:36 PM (rJUlF)

35 Goblins attempt to rob a Class III gun store in Texas? Yeah, that turned out well...for the rest of Texas.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 09, 2015 11:36 PM (ry4ab)

36 25 Feels like we're living in an Ayn Rand novel.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 09, 2015 11:32 PM (NeFrd)

Yep!

We just need someone to propose an anti-dog eat dog rule, and it's on!

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 09, 2015 11:36 PM (AkOaV)

37 Russian guys are firing a real arty and not a recoilless. Make a Hell of a snowslide.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 09, 2015 11:37 PM (JtAAl)

38 >>>Is There a New Faster Way to Swim?<<<

Swim faster?

Good luck.

Posted by: rapey dolphin at July 09, 2015 11:37 PM (2BoMD)

39 Hi-o.

Posted by: The Who at July 09, 2015 11:37 PM (Wo9OY)

40 I agree. Women need less underwear.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill

Well, let's start with Victoria's Secrets models and do some controlled experimentation.

It could get out of hand, and we would be lucky to live through it, with that kind of power.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 09, 2015 11:37 PM (+1T7c)

41 Why bid 10k for a girlfriend when you can just give them a house?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:37 PM (xJGO2)

42 31 Feels like we're living in an Ayn Rand novel.

--

We The Living

Posted by: @votermom at July 09, 2015 11:37 PM (cbfNE)

43 Leftover sock from last night...

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 09, 2015 11:37 PM (Wo9OY)

44 It's understandable to those of us with understanding.

You fool.

Posted by: twoslaps at July 09, 2015 11:38 PM (N5b69)

45 how to finance the great wall of America located at the southern border
we have seebees and the army corpse of engineers thus no union nonsense look for the best deal for quality materials bingo cheap for security lets use those 40k soldiers that are about to be downsized but then that would be the government doing its job right and tax money being wired to mexico to help pay for it

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at July 09, 2015 11:38 PM (LFdGm)

46 In Soviet Russia, avalanche control you.

Posted by: Yakov Smirnoff at July 09, 2015 11:38 PM (tgnRB)

47 Ayn Rand? Feels like we're moving closer to a strange mixture of Huxley and Orwell.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2015 11:39 PM (rJUlF)

48 notice the womens underwear snark stops in 2006, pre NYT granny panty era

hmmmm

??

Posted by: moron #73 at July 09, 2015 11:39 PM (TrrHu)

49 The Pit at the Exchange has always baffled me. NO way anybody understands anything that's going on.

And major companies are relying on a few guys shouting indiscriminately just seems no way.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 09, 2015 11:39 PM (JtAAl)

50 Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2015 11:36 PM (rJUlF)

Perhaps he has a caller who requests him to play something he likes.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:39 PM (xJGO2)

51 Prophetic dialogue (unintended, I'm sure) from the original "Day The Earth Stood Still":

"Why doesn't the government do something, that's what I want to know."
"What can they do? They're just people just like us."
"People my foot, they're not people, they're Democrats!"

Posted by: filbert at July 09, 2015 11:40 PM (h6Mpm)

52 +1 to Matenloch for that cave man cartoon.

Prehistoric man got labeled as "cave man" because most of the early finds were from caves in Europe and Asia, which tended to preserve fossils better. As archaeology got better and moved outdoors, the scientific perspective changed. Oddly enough, H.G. Wells wrote a couple of stories about early modern humans or "cave men". In the one story the hero and heroine went to live in a cave because they had been forced to leave the tribe, which lived near a stream.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 09, 2015 11:42 PM (ry4ab)

53 I liked Crystal Pepsi damnit.

Posted by: Iasonas at July 09, 2015 11:42 PM (DU875)

54 New anime idea: Pensioners und Panzer.
First episode: a "vacation" to Greece

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 09, 2015 11:42 PM (tgnRB)

55 so can China actually stop their stock market crash?

What about their real estate bubble?

Posted by: moron #73 at July 09, 2015 11:42 PM (TrrHu)

56 http://tinyurl.com/phjp94u

You haven't a clue fools don't even know...

HENCE THE CLUENESS LACKING CONFIRMED.

Posted by: twoslaps at July 09, 2015 11:43 PM (N5b69)

57 The Palm Beach airport had named departure points UFIRD, Ivanka One, and BUFIT one. Named by a controller who was a fan of the show.

Supposedly, there have been pilots who are refusing to fly the departure points according to the Sun Sentinel.

I call bullshit on that one.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 09, 2015 11:43 PM (WV80V)

58 I spotted Ted Cruz's book today at Costco, FWIW.

I guess they learned their lesson about selectively carrying popular books.

Posted by: Iasonas at July 09, 2015 11:44 PM (DU875)

59
Ayn Rand? Feels like we're moving closer to a strange mixture of Huxley and Orwell.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2015 11:39 PM (rJUlF)

With a smidge of Kafka thrown in.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2015 11:44 PM (8zCR+)

60 50

He does...sometimes. Sometimes he skips a song that's a big one in our format, that he personally doesn't like. I don't mind playing requests, but the people who call in for requests are two percent of our audience. They're not a representative sample.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2015 11:44 PM (rJUlF)

61 Nice one Maet, thanks. Evening everyone!

Posted by: dartist at July 09, 2015 11:45 PM (ahBY0)

62 I liked Crystal Pepsi damnit.

Posted by: Iasonas

And.....I've had a Zune for years.

I am....the harbinger of failure! Fear me!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 09, 2015 11:45 PM (+1T7c)

63 41 Why bid 10k for a girlfriend when you can just give them a house?
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Sometimes, that doesn't work either, Mis. I tried it once.
You need plenty of cocaine + cash on hand for that kind of girl.

Posted by: Chi at July 09, 2015 11:45 PM (t+Ksb)

64 since this is a smart military blog...

If Greece gets 55billion how long will that last at their current burn rate?

Posted by: moron #73 at July 09, 2015 11:45 PM (TrrHu)

65 41 Why bid 10k for a girlfriend when you can just give them a house?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:37 PM (xJGO2)

Or a horse?

Posted by: Hannah Davis at July 09, 2015 11:46 PM (G7Sm0)

66 In the US, artillery is also used to create avalanches but there's a problem -- They are running out of the cheap surplus artillery shells that they've been using.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 09, 2015 11:46 PM (Y74qL)

67 With a smidge of Kafka thrown in.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2015 11:44 PM (8zCR+)

I thought I looked a little odd in the mirror this morning. I don't recall growing antenna and a carapace...

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2015 11:46 PM (rJUlF)

68 ALE is keeping the chemical makeup of the pellets it would launch secret, but the company revealed that it is considering different chemical compositions to create streaks of different colors.

Hello Dial-A-SMOD?

Make 2 dozen bus sized pellets consisting of titanium alloys

Posted by: kbdabear at July 09, 2015 11:47 PM (GrXXa)

69 $7 homemade shotgun = critical fumble in 3...2...1...

Posted by: exdem13 at July 09, 2015 11:47 PM (ry4ab)

70 I posted a link to the Panzer story on the ONT about a week or so ago.

And I love the avalanche video. Especially the part where you can see the "oh shit" thought bubbles popping out of everyone's head.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 09, 2015 11:48 PM (Wo9OY)

71 "Harbingers of Failure" ain't got shit on me!

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at July 09, 2015 11:49 PM (2BoMD)

72 Of course most unemployed people sit on their asses watching crappy TV and smoking dope. A lie our teachers told us in the '60's and '70's was that everyone is creative (that's when the Special Snowflake doctrine began to take root.) Everyone is not. And most people will be as lazy as hell, if they're allowed to get away with it. That's why heirs to great fortunes frequently piss it away. As Mark Steyn noted, if leisure time led to some sort of Golden Age, they would be having the Renaissance Part II in Europe. Heard of any recent Greek masterworks written or filmed by someone who retired at 56?

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 09, 2015 11:49 PM (+XMAD)

73
45 Plus that would provide all those soldiers working on the wall valuable vocational training.
We're gonna need alot of new construction workers if we can't use illegals any more.
Plus it keeps the armed services' most valuable resources (the people) enlisted.
Makes too much sense; forget about it.

Posted by: MAx at July 09, 2015 11:49 PM (YJeFl)

74 HOOORDE

Happy Friday Eve to everyone!

I've got thoughts and stuff, but I think I'm gonna focus on my drink. Vodka und club mit lime.

Posted by: DC in River City at July 09, 2015 11:49 PM (e+1S5)

75 I saw Harbingers of Failure open for Queens of the Stone Age in 2003.

Posted by: Iasonas at July 09, 2015 11:50 PM (DU875)

76 @64

That represent 1/5 of their GDP so I'm thinking 3-6 months before shit turns sideways again

Posted by: Kreplach at July 09, 2015 11:50 PM (WVvzl)

77 Ginger Thursday ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/619163493460234240

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/619163825330356224

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/619164088116084736

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/619165706760945664

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/619165974797918209

Posted by: kbdabear at July 09, 2015 11:50 PM (GrXXa)

78 *SQUEAK*

*SQUEAK*

Posted by: Space Herpes at July 09, 2015 11:50 PM (G7Sm0)

79 22
oh my GOSH I love the scolding-harridan feminist icons.
Heh heh heh.

-----------------
That woman has given us the real life stereotype of the angry self-conscious SJW ready to find offense in EVERYTHING. Should we give her ironic applause for living up/down to our expectations, or should we ask her if she knows what an orgasm feels like?

Posted by: exdem13 at July 09, 2015 11:50 PM (ry4ab)

80
"Harbingers of Failure" ain't got shit on me!

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick

No, you're the Harbinger of DOOM!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (+1T7c)

81 "He does...sometimes. Sometimes he skips a song
that's a big one in our format, that he personally doesn't like. I don't
mind playing requests, but the people who call in for requests are two
percent of our audience. They're not a representative sample. Posted by: Captain Whitebread"

I got in a lot of trouble playing pretty much whatever I wanted while DJing for my college radio station. That and cranking up the transmitter power to well above what the FCC allowed us to transmit at....

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (Wo9OY)

82 What If Most of Our Crazy Times Is Really All Due to a Small Group of Activists?

What if? That's absolutely 100% rock solid certain. The problem isn't the number of lunatics. In fact, that's not even the crazy.

Its that anybody listens. The number of lunatics and cranks hasn't increased in the world, its that for some inexplicable reason they now have control. That people listen to, fear, and obey them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (39g3+)

83
79 That comment should come with a trigger warning
/s

Posted by: MAx at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (YJeFl)

84

This genius from Standford writing about income inequality, predicting the end of fossil fuels

To be replaced with what? He doesn't say. Cause he is full of shit

Posted by: ThunderB at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (zOTsN)

85 >>so I'm thinking 3-6 months before shit turns sideways again

so we have this whole puppet show again at Christmas /New Years

oh yeah

Posted by: moron #73 at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (TrrHu)

86 Ginger Thursday Christina Hendricks Bonus ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/619166353086394368

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/619167054772465664

Posted by: kbdabear at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (GrXXa)

87 So if i want to buy Ted Cruzes book how do I get to aces site?

Posted by: FCF at July 09, 2015 11:52 PM (kejii)

88 The NYT Bestseller list has always been BS, or at least for decades now. They don't even have to sell that many books, they just have to be books the NYT wants to promote.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 09, 2015 11:53 PM (39g3+)

89 Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2015 11:44 PM (rJUlF

That's why you're paid the big babysitter bucks

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:53 PM (xJGO2)

90 I actually have a working Victoreen CDV-720 Model 3A survey meter. Scored it when the company I was working for (years ago) closed a warehouse that had an old fallout shelter with undiscovered hidden booty. 'They' let the closing/moveout/packing crew have whatever they wanted as it was just "junk" that was going to be tossed. I also got a civil defense helmet, which is a white-painted WW 2 steel pot with the CD logo.

The kit in the picture above appears to be this one:

http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/cdmuseum2/radkits/cdv755kit.html

Posted by: Haulin' ass, Gettin paid at July 09, 2015 11:53 PM (zuBg2)

91
"Clinton: Cis Female
Sanders: Cis Male"
------------

Sorry, facts not in evidence x2... although to be fair, I'd rather have either as President than to actually find out for myself.

Posted by: irright at July 09, 2015 11:53 PM (DtNNC)

92 Harbingers of Failure? Hello, meet Jamie Gorelick for a current example, or Calamity Jane for a more dated example.

Ya know, I'm surprised William Gibson hasn't used that character in one of his fashionpunk novels. Yet.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 09, 2015 11:54 PM (Y74qL)

93 So, in the last week the feds raided a house a block away and blew the front door frame and windows out, a couple of young girls were sticking toy guns in peoples faces and robbing them and a guy was found dead in a chair with a note stating there was a bomb in the fridge. All within a few blocks of me. I think I need to be real nice to MisHum and see if he needs a caretaker for his Northwoods Estate.

Posted by: dartist at July 09, 2015 11:54 PM (ahBY0)

94 Speaking of stations.

Found a really good streaming station, XR 100.

They play all kinds of stuff.

Modern rock and metal, the occasional classic, random pop songs.

Really good.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 09, 2015 11:54 PM (WVvzl)

95 87
Top right corner on the main page, there should be an Amazon link.

Posted by: Chi at July 09, 2015 11:54 PM (80DTH)

96
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (Wo9OY)

Not at uwsp I would've remembered a du with an accent

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:55 PM (xJGO2)

97 84

This genius from Standford writing about income inequality, predicting the end of fossil fuels

To be replaced with what? He doesn't say. Cause he is full of shit
-----------------
Leftards have been talking about the end of fossil fuels for one reason or another since the first oil embargo. Guess what, we're still driving, the entire world including China is driving, and the oil is still flowing. Of course, more and cheaper oil would be flowing right now, BUT the Leftards seem determined to prove a shortage by keeping others from obtaining it. And the Leftards have this habit of moving the goalposts on other forms of non-fossil fuels when they look to become possible.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 09, 2015 11:55 PM (ry4ab)

98 93 I'd be on the phone to my realtor

Posted by: MAx at July 09, 2015 11:56 PM (YJeFl)

99 Plenty of cave folks lived for many decades.

Mathy mathness is mathy.

Posted by: eman at July 09, 2015 11:56 PM (MQEz6)

100 Should we give her ironic applause for living up/down to our expectations, or should we ask her if she knows what an orgasm feels like?
Posted by: exdem13 at July 09, 2015 11:50 PM (ry4ab)

****

That second thing you mentioned.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 09, 2015 11:56 PM (p7dd/)

101 Hello All!

So the NYT too gets to decide what we think?

Reading Silenced by Kirsten Powers now. Heavily referenced and somewhat arduous however coming from a leftie an interesting prospective

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at July 09, 2015 11:57 PM (CyXSj)

102 Meteor showers on demand?

I'm fairly certain this is Japan going full Principality of Zeon on us...

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at July 09, 2015 11:57 PM (Lqb+9)

103 Who is the conservative version of Jamie Gorelick? There isn't one.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2015 11:57 PM (8zCR+)

104 Sanders is running for a cabinet spot; Hillary is in barring some severe health problems.

We already know that Obama gets a pass by being considered a black man; nobody wants to seem racist and they don't want to "sabotage" the "historic first" by opposing him or stopping him, or even criticizing him. They can't afford to lose that identity group immunity. So its a woman next time, no matter what.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 09, 2015 11:58 PM (39g3+)

105 All within a few blocks of me. I think I need to be real nice to MisHum and see if he needs a caretaker for his Northwoods Estate.
Posted by: dartist at Ju

You are a top candidate.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 09, 2015 11:58 PM (xJGO2)

106 Stanford genius doesn't seem to know that the vast majority of electricity comes from fossil fuels

Posted by: ThunderB at July 09, 2015 11:58 PM (zOTsN)

107 92
Harbingers of Failure? Hello, meet Jamie Gorelick for a current example, or Calamity Jane for a more dated example.

Ya know, I'm surprised William Gibson hasn't used that character in one of his fashionpunk novels. Yet.
--------------
People like Gorelick helped create William Gibson's cyberpunk future, and keep it from improving. I imagine that is why the Left abandoned cyberpunk as a story-telling medium when it was pointed out that the Cyberpunk life was probably the result of their policies, not those of Reagan.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 09, 2015 11:58 PM (ry4ab)

108 66 In the US, artillery is also used to create avalanches but there's a problem -- They are running out of the cheap surplus artillery shells that they've been using.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 09, 2015 11:46 PM (Y74qL)

"Hey, lets use this Vietnam era shit. We have a FUCKTON of it! It'll last, fuck, at least 50 years!"

...50 years later...

"so, uh... hmmm."

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 09, 2015 11:59 PM (AkOaV)

109 "Meteor showers on demand?

I'm fairly certain this is Japan going full Principality of Zeon on us..."

Imagine the guys that'd fork out to have a meteor go by at a specific time, like, when they were proposing to their girlfriend.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 09, 2015 11:59 PM (Wo9OY)

110
97 Yesterday a doctor -A DOCTOR- was talking to me about the necessity of a living wage.
Everyone's an expert in what they're an expert in I spose.
I was gonna say something snarky but I didn't like where her finger was at the time

Posted by: MAx at July 09, 2015 11:59 PM (YJeFl)

111 >> Who is the conservative version of Jamie Gorelick?

John McCain.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 09, 2015 11:59 PM (Y74qL)

112 The angry, humorless feministas who took umbrage at Tyson's tweet don't bother me that much because they're mad at idiot Tyson. It's a blue on blue attack, which always makes me laugh and reach for the popcorn.

If Tyson had any guts or wit, he'd reply "Ladies, don't get your panties in a wad over this." But because he's a mewling liberal quim who is only tough when he's insulting Christians, I expect he'll apologize.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 09, 2015 11:59 PM (+XMAD)

113 I have an old 60s vintage Geiger counter at home. But the one I have at work (not Geiger) will also tell me what the source of the radiation is (ie cobalt 60...) Probably not an important fact for survival but kinda neat.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:00 AM (1SHv1)

114 No prominent conservative would be allowed to fail as often and as spectacularly as Gorelick.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 10, 2015 12:00 AM (8zCR+)

115 89 - babysitting, yeah. Big? Not so much.

94- I'll check them out. I used to run a web station of my own a few years ago. There are many net stations that have the flexibility to program with a more eclectic bent. Commerical stations really don't have that leeway if they wish to succeed.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 10, 2015 12:00 AM (rJUlF)

116 Plenty of cave folks lived for many decades.

Nobody knows, really. They only have a few splintered bits of bones to go from, and guess based on what they can discover from the limited pieces of remains. There's no plausible reason to assume they lived long, healthy lives though.

Ginger Thursday Christina Hendricks Bonus ONT Compliance Pics

I would gladly kiss Miss Hendricks on all her pink parts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:00 AM (39g3+)

117 The wheels are starting to come off today:

https://mikemaloney.leadpages.co/july2015-mikevideoupdate/

It looks like the real value of all that silver in my safe just doubled. There is no silver available at all at the "spot" price JP Morgan sets. Orders are being held with vague promises of August delivery.

Posted by: Kristophr at July 10, 2015 12:00 AM (6fIOn)

118 93 I'd be on the phone to my realtor

Love to, but have my 91 year old WW2 vet dad next door and he wants to take them all on with ball bat. To the range I guess.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:01 AM (ahBY0)

119 102
Meteor showers on demand?

I'm fairly certain this is Japan going full Principality of Zeon on us...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If you think the meteor showers look cool, see what we have planned for Brussels!

......

Oops, the telemetry got screwed up when John Kerry rammed his chin into the big rock, sorry about that drift, Philadelphia.

Posted by: Prinicpality of Zeon at July 10, 2015 12:01 AM (ry4ab)

120 Holy smoke, look at all the content. Nice one Maet.

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 10, 2015 12:02 AM (KlVdw)

121 Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 09, 2015 11:49 PM (+XMAD)

I for one, when unemployed, have found myself sitting on the couch smoking weed watching judge judy.

I think its a natural tendency.

Thankfully, I've never been unemployed for very long. But I could see how it can turn in to a lifestyle fairly easily.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 10, 2015 12:02 AM (AkOaV)

122 Stanford genius doesn't seem to know that the vast majority of electricity comes from fossil fuels

Depends where you live. East coast; yeah. West coast, its mostly hydro.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:02 AM (39g3+)

123 Did somebody say Misty Hyman ?

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 10, 2015 12:03 AM (dULJN)

124 120 Holy smoke, look at all the content. Nice one Maet.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 10, 2015 12:02 AM (KlVdw)

Yeah, it's like Maet took a week's worth of content and crammed it in to one ONT.

I have like 7 browser tabs open to read later / in the morning.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 10, 2015 12:03 AM (AkOaV)

125 You are a top candidate.

Thanks friend, I'll bring some canvas and 420.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:04 AM (ahBY0)

126 Yesterday a doctor -A DOCTOR- was talking to me about the necessity of a living wage.

Posted by: MAx at July 09, 2015 11:59 PM (YJeFl)

Doctors think they are life coaches who are entitled to dictate life-living strategies to you about every little thing. They don't want to accept the fact that they are just fee-for-service technicians who are still living off of the respect that witch doctors used to get from the tribe but which they certainly don't deserve any longer. And now they think they are fooling all of us by claiming that everything that might hurt you is a "medical issue" that they should have control over. I mean, they friggin ask if you wear seat belts!! Seat belts - as a "health issue"!! Fukcing douchebags.

I'd really like to run into one of these pricks in a dark alley ... I'd show them what seat belts are best used for ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:05 AM (MYSVz)

127 116
Plenty of cave folks lived for many decades.

Nobody knows, really. They only have a few splintered bits of bones
to go from, and guess based on what they can discover from the limited
pieces of remains. There's no plausible reason to assume they lived
long, healthy lives though.

------------------
Based on the skeletal remains of Neanderthals, they lived the long and healthy lives of professional rodeo riders.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 12:05 AM (ry4ab)

128 I think I need to be real nice to MisHum and see if he needs a caretaker for his Northwoods Estate.
Posted by: dartist at July 09, 2015 11:54 PM (ahBY0)

Where are you, dartist?

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:05 AM (+XMAD)

129 There's no plausible reason to assume they lived long, healthy lives though.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:00 AM (39g3+)

How funny would it be to find out they lived biblical life spans. Like 800 years.

And that we've been poisoning ourselves and artificially shortening our lifespans somehow, or have devolved.

Like a twilight zone episode.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 10, 2015 12:06 AM (AkOaV)

130 >>>Who is the conservative version of Jamie Gorelick? There isn't one.

Posted by: cm9000 at July 09, 2015 11:57 PM (8zCR+)<<<

Are we talking a conservative who turns everything to shit, or because Gorelick (Gore-lick... heh) is an uber lib who turns things to shit, who would be a conservative (her opposite) who sets everything right?

Posted by: just wonderin' at July 10, 2015 12:06 AM (2BoMD)

131 I would gladly kiss Miss Hendricks on all her pink parts.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Fun fact: since she's a ginger, "pink parts" includes her nipples.
-The more you know-

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 10, 2015 12:06 AM (tgnRB)

132 67% of US electricity is from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, petroleum)

6% is hydro

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:07 AM (zOTsN)

133 I'd really like to run into one of these pricks in a dark alley ... I'd show them what seat belts are best used for ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Well, there are at least three MD's that are regulars here:

Conservative Crank
Seamus Muldoon
OG-Celtic American

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 10, 2015 12:07 AM (+1T7c)

134 Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:01 AM (ahBY0

Enjoy your time with him dartist

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:07 AM (xJGO2)

135 133 I'd really like to run into one of these pricks in a dark alley ... I'd show them what seat belts are best used for ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Well, there are at least three MD's that are regulars here:

Conservative Crank
Seamus Muldoon
OG-Celtic American
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 10, 2015 12:07 AM (+1T7c)

....awkward.....

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 10, 2015 12:08 AM (AkOaV)

136 I'm liking how Kid Rock told his CBF protesters to 'kiss his a$$'

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 12:08 AM (TrrHu)

137 113 I have an old 60s vintage Geiger counter at home.

Fun story: Geiger was a grad student, assigned to sit in a basement and count flashes indicating radioactive activity. He got so bored with it that he invented a machine to do his stupid job.

Posted by: Splunge at July 10, 2015 12:08 AM (qyomX)

138 How funny would it be to find out they lived biblical life spans. Like 800 years.

It would be hilarious, but at the same time really obnoxious because the "paleo diet" people would be absolutely certain it was their idiotic system.

I have no doubt that we're screwing ourselves up with oceans of chemicals not normally found in nature packed into food as preservatives and bombarding ourselves with radio waves. But how much? Lifespans keep going up. If you listen to old radio, watch old TV, or read old books, they're talk about how someone is an old crone at... 60. Because that was OLD in 1950. Now people are active and vital into their 70s.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:09 AM (39g3+)

139
126 My dad was a Naval Aviator and he thought airline pilots are flying-bus drivers.
Most of those old guys thought of Flight School as just another trade school.
Which it pretty much is. Like med school.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:09 AM (YJeFl)

140 Where are you, dartist?

Around Chicago. Please don't hold it against me.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:09 AM (ahBY0)

141 conversation on phone tonight:

"Hi, this is Cindy from American Survey blah blah and we'd like to ask you some questions about current events."

Me: "How much?"

Cindy: "Excuse me?"

Me: "How much are you paying?"

Cindy: "Uh, I'm sorry but we don't pay.."

Me: "What do you do with the answers to these questions?"

Cindy: "Well, they are used to gauge public opinion on different things and.."

Me: "So, you give this data away for free then? Out of the kindness of your heart?"

Cindy: "Well, no.."

Me: "So you're expecting me to work for free so you can sell a product to someone? I suppose I can whip out an answer or two. Just don't expect anything I say to be truthful or have any basis in reality."

Cindy: "Uh.."

Me: "Now, if you want *real* answers, then that's going to cost ya. And frankly, I doubt you can afford my prices."

*Click*

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 10, 2015 12:09 AM (Wo9OY)

142 126 Yesterday a doctor -A DOCTOR- was talking to me about the necessity of a living wage.

Posted by: MAx at July 09, 2015 11:59 PM (YJeFl)

Doctors think they are life coaches who are entitled to dictate life-living strategies to you about every little thing. They don't want to accept the fact that they are just fee-for-service technicians who are still living off of the respect that witch doctors used to get from the tribe but which they certainly don't deserve any longer. And now they think they are fooling all of us by claiming that everything that might hurt you is a "medical issue" that they should have control over. I mean, they friggin ask if you wear seat belts!! Seat belts - as a "health issue"!! Fukcing douchebags.

I'd really like to run into one of these pricks in a dark alley ... I'd show them what seat belts are best used for ...

---

You sound reasonable.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at July 10, 2015 12:09 AM (cbjrY)

143 There's no plausible reason to assume they lived long, healthy lives though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:00 AM (39g3+)

That's true. Just blowing out a knee and a caveman can pretty much call it quits.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:09 AM (MYSVz)

144 It's a fine ONT, Maet.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:09 AM (+XMAD)

145 How funny would it be to find out they lived biblical life spans. Like 800 years.

And that we've been poisoning ourselves and artificially shortening our lifespans somehow, or have devolved.

Like a twilight zone episode.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 10, 2015 12:06 AM (AkOaV)

***

in a situation where a simple infection, pneumonia, appendicitis etc... would kill you, I highly doubt we have to worry about this.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 12:10 AM (QNcbF)

146 135 Well yeah but none of them have ever tried to play life coach here

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:10 AM (YJeFl)

147 Me: "Now, if you want *real* answers, then that's going to cost ya. And frankly, I doubt you can afford my prices."

Excellent. And something we all should adopt.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:10 AM (39g3+)

148 133 Well, there are at least three MD's that are regulars here:

Conservative Crank
Seamus Muldoon
OG-Celtic American

And our latest newly minted MD, Spellcheck MD

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 12:11 AM (Y74qL)

149 Well, there are at least three MD's that are regulars here:

Conservative Crank
Seamus Muldoon
OG-Celtic American

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 10, 2015 12:07 AM (+1T7c)

So??

They should have the same attitude towards their fellow doctors that I do.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:11 AM (MYSVz)

150 I wonder if doctors ever consider that intrusive questions are off putting and patients will either avoid seeing doctors when they shd or they will just lie.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 10, 2015 12:11 AM (iQIUe)

151 Anybody catch the spoils before dying? Sort of cute.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 10, 2015 12:12 AM (iQIUe)

152 140
Where are you, dartist?

Around Chicago. Please don't hold it against me.
----------------

Yeah, your neighborhood does sound like Chicago. Can't you spike your dad's coffee, stuff him in the car, and drive like Jehu until you reach Peoria?

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 12:12 AM (ry4ab)

153 33 Well, there are at least three MD's that are regulars here:

Conservative Crank
Seamus Muldoon
OG-Celtic American

And our latest newly minted MD, Spellcheck MD
Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch!

I'm a gynecologist. Not a professional, mind you, just as a hobby.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 10, 2015 12:12 AM (tgnRB)

154 Greece did that thing in Darth Merkel's mouth again.

The Greeks owe nothing. The Fourth Reich Nationalized private debt.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:12 AM (s2Kke)

155 You know when it was a small group of conservative prudes making complaints about things on television there was much more talk about how it was a small number making the majority of complaints. Now that it's the sjw scolds oh no cant look into that.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 10, 2015 12:13 AM (B+J99)

156 There's a big difference between Joe Average general practicioner and a specialist. In my experience the GPs know less than I do about medicine and health, and the specialists are incredibly informed and brilliant.

In fact, the smartest, most educated, and capable medics I've ever met are pharmacists. Those guys can tell you, off the top of their head, what the side effects and dangers of taking any 5 random drugs combined will be. They're experts in the real sense of the word.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:13 AM (39g3+)

157

So??

They should have the same attitude towards their fellow doctors that I do.

---

I'm sure Seamus has pun-ished a few colleagues in his day.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at July 10, 2015 12:13 AM (cbjrY)

158 Fun story: Geiger was a grad student, assigned to sit in a basement and
count flashes indicating radioactive activity. He got so bored with it
that he invented a machine to do his stupid job.>>>

Did he die from radiation like Marie Curie?

Cause that sounds like a sucky job.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:13 AM (1SHv1)

159
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America

Don't forget about that damn dentist NGU

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:13 AM (xJGO2)

160 I had a...discussion...shall we say, with the morning hosts at one of the stations about his tendency to play songs waay out of the format. He's a former program director who has his own ideas about how we should do things here. LOVE those kinds of people.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 09, 2015 11:36 PM (rJUlF)

Are they good tunes, or dreck? Good tunes, cut him a little slack. Dreck, kick his butt. Rap is dreck, if you need a compass bearing.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 12:13 AM (CIyVc)

161 Well, there are at least three MD's that are regulars here:�

Conservative Crank�
Seamus Muldoon�
OG-Celtic American�
Posted by: Bossy Conservative
------------------------------
I think maybe even more, but can't name right now.

And then there's the 1%er Nevergiveup.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 12:14 AM (O66FG)

162 I wonder if doctors ever consider that intrusive questions are off putting

You know what's off-putting about doctors? Paying 200 bucks an hour for a doctor to tell me what I already know, then suggest I take anti depressants after saying "well we know something is wrong but I don't know what."

Yeah, thanks doc. I won't be seeing you again. Ever.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:14 AM (39g3+)

163 146 135 Well yeah but none of them have ever tried to play life coach here
Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:10 AM (YJeFl)

Well not yet. But they're all likely crypto seat beltists.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 12:14 AM (pAlYe)

164 "I'm a gynecologist. Not a professional, mind you, just as a hobby.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible"

Didn't I just see you under a Scotsman?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 10, 2015 12:14 AM (Wo9OY)

165 Enjoy your time with him dartist

I am. I'm the oldest so we've had our thing throughout the years but we're both Army and I know I couldn't carry his jock strap to my time in.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:15 AM (ahBY0)

166 whoa,
Kid Rock has 12 cd's

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 12:15 AM (TrrHu)

167 I wonder if doctors ever consider that intrusive questions are off
putting and patients will either avoid seeing doctors when they shd or
they will just lie.>>>

Are there sanctuary Doctors?

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:15 AM (1SHv1)

168 I got in a lot of trouble playing pretty much whatever I wanted while DJing for my college radio station. That and cranking up the transmitter power to well above what the FCC allowed us to transmit at....
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 09, 2015 11:51 PM (Wo9OY)

The first episode of The Outer Limits comes to mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Galaxy_Being

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 10, 2015 12:15 AM (W5DcG)

169 The average working Greek works 600 more hours per year than a Nazi. The Nazis are the least working people in the industrialized world. Usury isn't work. Pimping is easy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:15 AM (s2Kke)

170 143 Yeah that was a Simpsons joke at one point:"Now I've broken my leg and realized it's a death sentence".

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:16 AM (YJeFl)

171 I work with doctors all day. Most are decent and quite a few are my conservative brothers and sisters in arms who will come in my office, close the door and rant about what a f'ing crock Obamacare is. There are a few who are libs - however stupid I think they are, I do not want to beat them in a dark alley. I accept that they are probably quite smart about medicine and ignorant about politics.

I wouldn't have my job for well over 10 years if I thought all doctors, or even most, are aholes.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:16 AM (+XMAD)

172 I wonder if doctors ever consider that intrusive questions are off putting and patients will either avoid seeing doctors when they shd or they will just lie.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 10, 2015 12:11 AM (iQIUe)

****

Doc asked me the gun question. Response was " Not that I am going to tell you about". He told me he,would just put down a No. He was rather unhappy when I insisted he use my answer. He,finally wimped out and said that was not a check box on the form.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 12:16 AM (QNcbF)

173 132
67% of US electricity is from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, petroleum)

6% is hydro
---------------
It could be more % but the Left Coast environuts keep getting dams closed for the fish, or something. There was a movement to do the same to the TVA dams a few years ago, but that hasn't gone through. It turns out those hillbillies really like electricity. Go figure!

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 12:17 AM (ry4ab)

174 Now I know how you say "Holy shit!" in Rooskie.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:17 AM (9mTYi)

175 Kid Rock has 12 cd's

And all of them are different

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:17 AM (39g3+)

176 Didn't I just see you under a Scotsman?
Posted by: AshevilleRobert

Yes, but I was on my break.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 10, 2015 12:18 AM (tgnRB)

177

Well not yet. But they're all likely crypto seat beltists.

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Yeah, they're probably always giving advice to people who seek them out and pay them for it, and whom they've got an ethical duty to treat and advise. Some people...

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at July 10, 2015 12:18 AM (cbjrY)

178 My drawers seem to be stuck in the 1900's.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:19 AM (s2Kke)

179 Oh yeah - I think Moo Moo is a Brain Scientist. Or a Rocket Surgeon, maybe.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 12:20 AM (O66FG)

180 67% of US electricity is from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, petroleum)

Yeah but that's misleading. Regionally, the East Coast uses a gigantic amount more energy than any other single region of the country because of the population density and industry. It depends where you live what your power comes from, seriously. Its almost entirely Hydro where I live. Its nuke in some places. There's no coal at all on the west coast that I'm aware of, for instance.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:20 AM (39g3+)

181 My drawers seem to be stuck in the 1900's.>>>

Put some lard on the slides.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:20 AM (1SHv1)

182 BTW, "Doctors, Lack Thereof" was probably a major reason why those healthy living cavemen didn't make it past 30.

I bemoan the time I live in, but since I was 2 lbs 8 ozs when I was born (2 months early), it's doubtful I would have survived long past birth had I been born earlier. My twin didn't. Nowadays, they routinely save twins who are even tinier than we were.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:20 AM (+XMAD)

183 My doc and I (until he took early retirement in April) , were on great terms. Every time I went to see him, we would swap WWII books. He was also the doc for several friends. Great guy.

Now I have Doogie Howser

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:21 AM (9mTYi)

184 >>>Doc asked me the gun question.

I'm lucky my doc is a hunter & fisherman.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:21 AM (xJGO2)

185
Real conversation last year:
Dr.: How many AR's do you have?"
Me: "A couple."
Dr.: "You don't remember how many you have?"
Me: "Well, you know there's that thing about you being a state employee..."
~finis~
knocked me off balance for a minute but I recovered

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:21 AM (YJeFl)

186 Well not yet. But they're all likely crypto seat beltists.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 12:14 AM (pAlYe)

I'm just wondering, do you think I was making that up? I just had to fill out a form for a new doctor (going in for a wrist to be looked at and nothing else) and the seat belt question was one of the many stupid questions that I had to answer - including the "are there guns in your house?", as if that has anything to do with friggin doctor's visits.

maybe you all don't think this is weird and over the line? I certainly do. These are NOT "medical concerns" and have no place in a doctor's office. Period.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:22 AM (MYSVz)

187 126 Yesterday a doctor -A DOCTOR- was talking to me about the necessity of a living wage.

Posted by: MAx at July 09, 2015 11:59 PM (YJeFl)

Could he define "living wage"?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 10, 2015 12:22 AM (W5DcG)

188 Yeah, your neighborhood does sound like Chicago. Can't you spike your
dad's coffee, stuff him in the car, and drive like Jehu until you reach
Peoria?

Ha, that Ol' boy still calls me a young shit and I'm 61. You come try fcukin with him, I'm not anymore. I think we'll stand and fight.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:22 AM (ahBY0)

189 179 Oh yeah - I think Moo Moo is a Brain Scientist. Or a Rocket Surgeon, maybe.
Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 12:20 AM (O66FG)

More like a sewage sucking expert, fucking shit pile

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:23 AM (xJGO2)

190 I have an old 60s vintage Geiger counter at home. But the one I have at work (not Geiger) will also tell me what the source of the radiation is (ie cobalt 60...) Probably not an important fact for survival but kinda neat.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:00 AM (1SHv1)

I have a working Precision Model 111 Scintillator, complete with leather case, instruction manual, and test source. Built in the mid-'50's for the first big uranium boom.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 12:23 AM (CIyVc)

191 maybe you all don't think this is weird and over the line? I certainly do. These are NOT "medical concerns" and have no place in a doctor's office. Period.

Its weird and its over the line but here's what you have to remember, something critical people always seem to forget because doctors have this assumed authority.

The doctor is a contracted employee. He works for you. He's a paid servant, not your boss. He's not in control, you are. You contract him temporarily to do a job for you. Stop acting like you have to do and answer any question he or she asks. You're literally in charge, you are their boss.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:24 AM (39g3+)

192 There's no coal at all on the west coast that I'm aware of, for instance.
Posted by: Christopher
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There's no coal at all on the west coast that I'm aware of, for instance.
Posted by: Christopher

California’s Dirty Secret: The Five Coal Plants Supplying Our Electricity
http://tinyurl.com/oa676x7

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:25 AM (9mTYi)

193 I like the phrase "crypto seat beltists" for doctors. Maybe CSB for short?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 10, 2015 12:25 AM (iQIUe)

194 Over half of California's electric energy production is from natural gas fired plants. Less than a third is hydro

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:25 AM (zOTsN)

195 Ha, that Ol' boy still calls me a young shit and I'm 61. You come try fcukin with him, I'm not anymore. I think we'll stand and fight.
Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:22 AM (ahBY0)

2 Gran Torinos?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:26 AM (xJGO2)

196 Yeah, they're probably always giving advice to people who seek them out and pay them for it, and whom they've got an ethical duty to treat and advise. Some people...

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at July 10, 2015 12:18 AM (cbjrY)

If you ask your doctor for life advice, good for you. You deserve what you get. I don't happen to go to doctors for any advice. I go to get specific diagnoses or treatment.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:26 AM (MYSVz)

197 Could he define "living wage"?
Posted by: Bertram
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Vacation home, 35' Sailboat at the marina, a Porsche to get there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:27 AM (9mTYi)

198 There is oil in California and where there is oil there is natural gas. Still a fossil fuel. And the major producer of California electricity

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:27 AM (zOTsN)

199 My doc asked me the guns question, but rolled his eyes as he did so.

The thing you will have to do in the Age of Ocare is find the noncompliant nonconformists, the ones who are not eager to ask or supply the government with such information. I predict a lot of the "data" the government will be collecting will be so inaccurate it will be worthless.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:29 AM (+XMAD)

200 More like a sewage sucking expert,
Posted by: Misanthropic
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Okay..., now *that* would be useful

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:29 AM (9mTYi)

201 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 10, 2015 12:30 AM (UVfht)

202 Vacation home, 35' Sailboat at the marina, a Porsche to get there.
Posted by: Mike

Insurance biz needs that living wage

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:30 AM (xJGO2)

203 You know, for an animal that doesn't have much in the way of lips, a house cat can pout really well....

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 12:30 AM (ry4ab)

204 Liberals are in a frenzy, a purge. Landrieu, the mayor of New Orleans, is now saying he is going to take down statues of Robert E. Lee in the public square and other Southern figures. A school is CA is being pressured to un-name their Robert E. Lee school too.

Where will it stop?

Posted by: pj at July 10, 2015 12:30 AM (cHuNI)

205
197 I could have brought up the whole relationship between living wages causing prices to rise necessitating a higher living wage etc... but I find that leftists are among the most vindictive people I know.
The difference between a cooperative dr. and an alienated one is not something I want to explore.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:30 AM (YJeFl)

206 If the govt wanted doctors to ask medical questions that would help them diagnose your possible risks they could be proactive to. The questions would sound more like this.

Do you hang out with hookers?
Do you use used needles?
Do you like dick in your ass?

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:31 AM (1SHv1)

207 If Greece gets 55billion how long will that last at their current burn rate?

#twoweeks

Posted by: Fox2! at July 10, 2015 12:31 AM (brIR5)

208 Doc at the V.A. asked me if I had guns before I knew about this list thing, said yes, loaded. She said she wanted me to hide them in case I had a sudden urge...Pause...Won't I know where I put them?...crickets. I think I'm on a list.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:31 AM (ahBY0)

209 I'm lucky my doc is a hunter & fisherman.
Posted by: Misanthropic
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Doc that lives next door is an avid hunter. Plenty of boomy things. I've even sold him one.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:31 AM (9mTYi)

210 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:22 AM (MYSVz)

No I think you're a bit kooky for wanting to beat up doctors in alleys because you once got a questionnaire at a doctor's office with a question about using seat belts.

Not really a medical-related question and IMO therefore not worthy of an honest answer. But hardly the kind of thing that merits generalized alley beat-downs.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 12:32 AM (pAlYe)

211 of course the vast majority of our problems and unrest are the result of a small number of radical activists. as alinsky always said, make the protest or movement look bigger than it is. it's psychological warfare here. you hire protesters, or even a crowd at a political event, and you hand out the signage and make the signs look home made. these radicals are the cause of all of our big problems around the world, too. how many of the radicals from the US have been all over the world causing problems elsewhere? I bet a lot of the worlds probems are the result of the same group.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at July 10, 2015 12:32 AM (BCTRd)

212 204 Wherever we get tired of losing. It stops where we make it stop.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:32 AM (YJeFl)

213 All this talk about cavemen made me remember this old movie about a nerd that goes back in time and ends up scoring this hot looking cavegirl. Can't remember the name of it though. We were watching it on my ship in the navy (on a 16mm movie projector of all things) and the chaplain of the ship came through and saw it and made us stop showing it. He was one of those guys that didn't believe in "ancient man" and therefore...

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 10, 2015 12:32 AM (Wo9OY)

214 The doctor is a contracted employee. He works for you. He's a paid servant, not your boss. He's not in control, you are. You contract him temporarily to do a job for you. Stop acting like you have to do and answer any question he or she asks. You're literally in charge, you are their boss.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:24 AM (39g3+)

First of all, I just give the "desired" answer to all the questions.

Secondly, what you say is what I wrote about how it SHOULD BE ... but it isn't. The primary care physician doesn't really work for me, he works for the insurance money that pays him (and my hefty copay, of course). But, I have to get a PCP because my insurance demands it and I cannot do anything in health care without one.

So ... the doctor is SUPOOSED to be a fee-for-service provider, which is what I said, but BarkyCare and colluding insurance companies and doctors' organizations (yes, regardless of the nice conservative doctors everyone claims to have, the medical field is filled to the brim with idiot leftists) have made it so the PCP is much much more, ... more like a life manager telling the patient how to do everything, what not to do, how to live ...

That is what things have come to. And they will get worse.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:32 AM (MYSVz)

215 Where will it stop?
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With a Mayor that has balls?
I hear the mayor of Richmond, VA has basically said "fuck off - it's part of our history."

And, yeah, he's black.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 12:32 AM (O66FG)

216 Well, I've found it very strange that we've always been so respectful and venerated a defeated nation for so long. I am challenged to think of a single country that had parts of it proudly flying the flag of a rebellion in its borders, building things and naming them after people in the rebellion. Maybe its happened, I just can't think of one.

Before you start throwing rocks at me, I don't mean the confederacy was a source of evil. Its just... kind of weird if you think about it objectively. You know, take your personal preferences and history out of the equation and just look at the facts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:33 AM (39g3+)

217

Where will it stop?
Posted by: pj at July 10, 2015 12:30 AM (cHuNI)

When Reagans name is off of things

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:33 AM (xJGO2)

218 The Greeks should take the money and throw a party. Deport all the welfare immigrants and seal the border with bastard people occupied Asia Minor.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:33 AM (s2Kke)

219 188
Yeah, your neighborhood does sound like Chicago. Can't you spike your

dad's coffee, stuff him in the car, and drive like Jehu until you reach

Peoria?

Ha, that Ol' boy still calls me a young shit and I'm
61. You come try fcukin with him, I'm not anymore. I think we'll stand
and fight.
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I stand corrected.

You guys can try to hold the line as long as possible.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 12:34 AM (ry4ab)

220 ThunderB: "To be replaced with what? He doesn't say. Cause he is full of shit"

Replaced with Thorium powered liquid-salt Nuke plants, in the countries that are not interested in Neolithic re-enacting.

Posted by: Kristophr at July 10, 2015 12:34 AM (6fIOn)

221 More like a sewage sucking expert,
Posted by: Misanthropic
--

Okay..., now *that* would be useful

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:29 AM (9mTYi)

Heh. Knew an old boy in town here, his business was driving the honey wagon that sucked out the septic tanks. That, and the other "service" that he provided to lonely farm wimmens. RIP, Alfie.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 12:34 AM (CIyVc)

222 Where will it stop?
Posted by: pj
-----------------

*sigh*
Once more: http://tinyurl.com/pq94esn

"The New Totalitarians Are Here"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:34 AM (9mTYi)

223 I worked a summer as a union steel worker for $3.08 an hour.
I can
remember a co-worker telling me to "not let this money go to my head"
after one of the other summer workers decided not to go back to college.
I swallowed hard and thanked them for the advice.
There was no "white privilege" I could find, unless being covered with drill press coolant was some badge of courage.

Posted by: Neo at July 10, 2015 12:35 AM (e8kgV)

224 216 Everyone in Mexico still has their Spanish surnames.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:35 AM (YJeFl)

225 Time to crawl into bed.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 10, 2015 12:35 AM (Wo9OY)

226 Jeb Bush "People need to work longer hours."

Unelectable cocksucker.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:36 AM (s2Kke)

227 Doc I go to raffles off hunting rifles in his lobby....I hope he doesn't retire!

Posted by: FCF at July 10, 2015 12:36 AM (kejii)

228 223 What leftists call privilege is actually REPUTATION.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:36 AM (YJeFl)

229 Heh. Knew an old boy in town here, his business was driving the honey wagon that sucked out the septic tanks. That, and the other "service" that he provided to lonely farm wimmens. RIP, Alfie.
Posted by: Alberta
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That's just plain spooky. I think our guy was named Alfie too. The weird thing was, summer or winter, he was *always* barefoot..., all of the time.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:37 AM (9mTYi)

230 Doctors don't have a flunky ask you about guns?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:37 AM (s2Kke)

231 "The New Totalitarians Are Here"
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:34 AM (9mTYi)

Same as the old totalitarians

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:37 AM (xJGO2)

232 England and Scotland are littered with buildings, flags, crests and symbols of defeated peoples

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:37 AM (zOTsN)

233 The primary care physician doesn't really work for me, he works for the insurance money that pays him (and my hefty copay, of course)

You're talking about finances, I'm referring to relationship. Don't approach it as meeting with someone you have to obey or respect. Approach it as meeting with a contractor you're hiring for a job. The city is full of them and they all want your work.

Its a difference of perspective and attitude. You don't treat employees like trash, you respect them. You just don't defer to them or act like you have to obey them. The doctor said... yeah, and?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:37 AM (39g3+)

234 In fact England tried to outlaw kilts becuase of that

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:38 AM (zOTsN)

235 Everyone in Mexico still has their Spanish surnames.

And they use every single one of them.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:38 AM (ahBY0)

236 Jeb Bush "People need to work longer hours."

He meant there should be more full-time employment, rather than temp jobs.
Funny how it actually says that, but doesn't.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 10, 2015 12:38 AM (e8kgV)

237 Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 10, 2015 12:32 AM (Wo9OY)

I really doubt that there were a lot of hot looking cavegirls. Unless you don't mind funky body smells, hairy legs and pits, matted hair and bad teeth...

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:38 AM (+XMAD)

238 No I think you're a bit kooky for wanting to beat up doctors in alleys because you once got a questionnaire at a doctor's office with a question about using seat belts.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 12:32 AM (pAlYe)

Uh .... Seriously?

Yeah ... I really want to beat up doctors in alleys with seat belts. Sheesh, you can't even get seat belts off the cars, these days, to take them into alleys.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:38 AM (MYSVz)

239 My last comment at 206 was crude. But there is no pill that prevents a gunshot wound. Or falling off a ladder or your boat tipping over. Nothing the doc can do or tell me to save me from that shit. So it is just political data gathering not medicine.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:38 AM (1SHv1)

240 Jeb Bush "People need to work longer hours."

Unelectable cocksucker.
Posted by: Boss Moss

He supposedly meant full time instead of part time but he should have worded it better.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 10, 2015 12:39 AM (W5DcG)

241 Oh - and Richmond, VA?
That racist, confederate flag waving backwoods place?
Yeah, the capital of the CSA - those knuckledragging, hood wearing racists helped elect the first black governor in the US...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 12:39 AM (O66FG)

242 Jeb Bush "People need to work longer hours."

Unelectable cocksucker.
Posted by: Boss Moss
-------------------

Actually, he is right about that, but he has to be outspoken about *why* people are not working (no jobs), and why they are working less than 30 hrs./wk.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:39 AM (9mTYi)

243 232
England and Scotland are littered with buildings, flags, crests and symbols of defeated peoples
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The English Lefties would like to change that too, but the Welsh and Scots won't let them.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 12:39 AM (ry4ab)

244 England and Scotland are littered with buildings, flags, crests and symbols of defeated peoples

Yeah, but that's conquered people retaining locations and history from the past, not a rebellion that retained its pageantry and celebrates its leaders. It doesn't seem the same to me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:39 AM (39g3+)

245 Jeb Bush "People need to work longer hours."

Unelectable cocksucker.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:36 AM (s2Kke)

***
I agree about him being an unelectable cocksucker, but what he said on this was taken all the way out of context. He was referring to getting more people back into full time jobs and not the 29.5 hour Bammycare created jobs.

Do not let them win with this bullshit.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 12:41 AM (QNcbF)

246 230 Doctors don't have a flunky ask you about guns?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12

No, one of his nurses is a deer hunter as well.,joys of northern Wis.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:41 AM (xJGO2)

247 I guess Scotland kind of comes close, but then its a separate nation so its not like they're in England still waving an old Scots flag around and celebrating Robert the Brus

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:41 AM (39g3+)

248 Yeah, but that's conquered people retaining locations and history from the past, not a rebellion that retained its pageantry and celebrates its leaders. It doesn't seem the same to me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:39 AM (39g3+)

I'm going to shoot lightning bolts from my arse at you.

Posted by: William Wallace at July 10, 2015 12:41 AM (nL0sw)

249 I really doubt that there were a lot of hot looking cavegirls. Unless you don't mind funky body smells, hairy legs and pits, matted hair and bad teeth...
Posted by: Donna
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Counter argument:
Raquel Welch
...and Betty Rubble

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:41 AM (9mTYi)

250 The GOP always needs to word things better. The Dems can get away with verbal sloppiness - the Republicans never can. And idiot Jeb should certainly know that.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:41 AM (+XMAD)

251 The borderlands of England and all of Scotland were most definitely rebellions

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:42 AM (zOTsN)

252 NY Times Keeps Ted Cruz's Bestselling Book Off Bestseller List

Not to worry .. after Cruz comes off "double secret probation" they will consider putting his book on the list.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 10, 2015 12:42 AM (e8kgV)

253
Well, I'LL be your life coach.
Know how Ken Stabler died? Colon cancer.
Know how not to die from colon cancer or have to shit in a bag the rest of your life?
Get your colonoscopies done regularly.
Worked for me- invasive adenocarcenoma @ 50 years old. Three weeks after discovery, clear. Worked for me-

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:42 AM (YJeFl)

254 Yeah ... I really want to beat up doctors in alleys with seat belts.
Sheesh, you can't even get seat belts off the cars, these days, to take
them into alleys.

Don't look in school buses either.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:42 AM (ahBY0)

255 I really doubt that there were a lot of hot looking cavegirls.>>>

A muddy puddle looks good to a thirsty man.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:43 AM (1SHv1)

256 its not like they're in England still waving an old Scots flag around and celebrating Robert the Brus

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:41 AM (39g3+)

Aye, 'tings ta see in Londontown: http://tinyurl.com/nlfqc3t

Posted by: William Wallace at July 10, 2015 12:43 AM (nL0sw)

257 I really doubt that there were a lot of hot looking cavegirls. Unless you don't mind funky body smells, hairy legs and pits, matted hair and bad teeth...

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V.
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This is the horde, Donna.
I think you're giving the 'Rons a little too much credit in the "standards" department.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 12:43 AM (OQNx4)

258
>>>Doc asked me the gun question.

Did you ask him to explain why that question is not a medical ethics violation, specifically know as a "boundary violation"?

Promoting a political position while being a doctor is a big no no.

Posted by: Kristophr at July 10, 2015 12:43 AM (6fIOn)

259 Good one Robinson

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 10, 2015 12:44 AM (dULJN)

260 Um Scotland is most definitely waving the flag and parading around Robert the Bruce. Especially last winter

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:44 AM (zOTsN)

261 one of his nurses is a deer hunter

.. does she play "Russian Roulette" like Robert DeNiro ?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 10, 2015 12:44 AM (e8kgV)

262 251 The borderlands of England and all of Scotland were most definitely rebellions
Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:42 AM (zOTsN)

And per Albion's Seed guess where many refugees from this region ended up settling in the American colonies.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 12:44 AM (pAlYe)

263 238 No I think you're a bit kooky for wanting to beat up doctors in alleys because you once got a questionnaire at a doctor's office with a question about using seat belts.
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When I was discharged from the hospital,after my last surgery I was asked if I felt safe at home. I laughed. The nurse asked what's so funny. I said look at me with a walker and 2 setters at home. She was not amused.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:45 AM (xJGO2)

264 Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:41 AM (9mTYi)

Didn't Rosie O'Donnell play Betty Rubble?

I rest my case.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:45 AM (+XMAD)

265 Did people actually believe in cave men? That is more of that pseudo science bullshit religion. Caves aren't portable. Hunter gatherers would need to move around with the food.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:45 AM (s2Kke)

266 -
Unless you don't mind funky body smells, hairy legs and pits, matted hair and bad teeth...

Posted by: Donna V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:38

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Is this an ad for that Lena Dunham show?

Posted by: irright at July 10, 2015 12:46 AM (DtNNC)

267 Don't look in school buses either.
Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:42 AM (ahBY0)

Or in planes - oh wait never mind.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 12:46 AM (pAlYe)

268 The borderlands of England and all of Scotland were most definitely rebellions

Yeah, and when that was English territory, it was illegal and people didn't have big statues and flags up openly. They were torn down by the victorious armies that controlled that area.

Comparing what things are like now, in a separate nation, to a rebellion, it isn't the same to me.

Um Scotland is most definitely waving the flag and parading around Robert the Bruce. Especially last winter

Of course they are, I wrote that poorly. What I meant was that IF ENGLAND STILL CONTROLLED SCOTLAND they wouldn't be doing that; the situation isn't analogous to the Southeastern USA and confederacy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:47 AM (39g3+)

269 Well considering how the muzzies have taken over what used to be England I'd say that displaying the Union Jack there is flying the flag of a defeated nation.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:47 AM (YJeFl)

270 Didn't Rosie O'Donnell play Betty Rubble?

I rest my case.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:45 AM (+XMAD)

The cartoon Betty was kinda hawt, Rosie O'Donuts not so much.

Rae Dawn Chong made a rather fetching cave girl in some forgettable movie. Quest For Fire, was it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 12:48 AM (CIyVc)

271 Doc asked me the gun question.

Did you ask him to explain why that question is not a medical ethics violation, specifically know as a "boundary violation"?

Promoting a political position while being a doctor is a big no no.

Posted by: Kristophr at July 10, 2015 12:43 AM (6fIOn)

****

I did not, because I live in the World that our betters have created for us. Why incur the time investment and aggravation?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 12:48 AM (mG3Qj)

272 Off, blue painted sock.

I probably should have used Robert Bruce (zombified, of course), since he's an ancestral relation.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 10, 2015 12:48 AM (nL0sw)

273 Or in planes - oh wait never mind.>>>

The place an honest cost benefit analysis would definitely get them removed.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 12:48 AM (1SHv1)

274 Unless you don't mind funky body smells, hairy legs and pits, matted hair and bad teeth...

Reminds me of that time on leave in Paris. Ah, the old days.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:49 AM (ahBY0)

275
Posted by: Donna
---------------------

Counter argument:
Raquel Welch
...and Betty Rubble
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July

Counter point
Rosie O'Donnell

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:49 AM (xJGO2)

276 Didn't Rosie O'Donnell play Betty Rubble?

I rest my case.
Posted by: Donna
----------------

Sometimes, there is no counter argument.
*chastened, withdraws from the field*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:49 AM (9mTYi)

277 Caves aren't portable. Hunter gatherers would need to move around with the food.

I think the article linked actually points that out: they didn't live in caves. What's being missed in all this is that "neanderthal" isn't really a separate human species at all. In fact, if you portray them in modern clothing and coiffage, they just look like folks. Maybe a bit like Ron Perlman.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:49 AM (39g3+)

278 The Stewart's were in open rebellion and their flags, crests, castles, beer and honey are all over the borderlands. Which is most definitely England

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:49 AM (zOTsN)

279 Jeb Bush. Making W look like a fucking wordsmith.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 10, 2015 12:49 AM (B+J99)

280 I'd be a shitty caveman,

no booze

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 12:50 AM (TrrHu)

281 Counter point
Rosie O'Donnell
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:49 AM (xJGO2)

Counter counter point:
Daryl Hannah in Clan of the Cave Bear

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 12:50 AM (pAlYe)

282 > I did not, because I live in the World that our betters have created for us. Why incur the time investment and aggravation?

Because it's fun. The doctor squirmed, and started making government form excuses, and I asked him what he thought the Wyoming state medical board would do with my complaint. The subject was quietly dropped after that.

Posted by: Kristophr at July 10, 2015 12:50 AM (6fIOn)

283 @249 Counter argument:
Raquel Welch
...and Betty Rubble
------------------

Rosie O'Donnell?

No.

Just no.

Posted by: junior at July 10, 2015 12:50 AM (3m3mw)

284 And let's not even discuss Ireland

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:51 AM (zOTsN)

285 Well considering how the muzzies have taken over what used to be England I'd say that displaying the Union Jack there is flying the flag of a defeated nation.

Yeah the usual suspects are trying to get rid of the Union Jack because it has the symbols of several Christian saints on it, and that's just a terrible imposition of Christianity.

Expect King Charles III to try to get rid of the flag if the monarchy lasts that long.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:51 AM (39g3+)

286 Daryl Hannah, also a cave hottie

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 12:51 AM (TrrHu)

287 Donna - Hmm. This ought to put the boys off their feed, I know that it did that to me.
Rae Dawn Chung, 'Quest For Fire':

http://tinyurl.com/p5cnbun

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 12:52 AM (9mTYi)

288 Buzzion, what chaps my hide is libs always acted like GWB was an idiot for stuff he said. Obumbles says stupid shit all the time. " kids with athsma need breathalyzers"

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 10, 2015 12:53 AM (dULJN)

289 For y'all's bone in the hair viewing pleasure:

http://tinyurl.com/ofc7md4

Posted by: Country Singer at July 10, 2015 12:53 AM (nL0sw)

290 The Stewart's were in open rebellion and their flags, crests, castles, beer and honey are all over the borderlands. Which is most definitely England

That's closer to being like the south, although for centuries it was enough to get you killed.

Ireland doesn't work either, I don't think, since England told them they could use their flags and keep their names etc. It would be more like Cornwall creating a new flag and saying "we're our own country now" then England shrugging at the flag flying all over.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:53 AM (39g3+)

291 W is George Washington compared to his cartel drug money laundering crooked brother. Jeb! can't win. He's as crooked as the day is long. You won't be told about his crimes until he locks up the nomination. Damaged goods.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:53 AM (s2Kke)

292 hi all
ugh

Posted by: chemjeff at July 10, 2015 12:54 AM (2XMpf)

293 @285 Expect King Charles III to try to get rid of the flag if the monarchy lasts that long.
--------------------

I'm hoping they skip over him and go straight to William.

In fact, I remember seeing something that seemed to suggest that was a possibility not all that long ago. But I was probably reading too much into the statement (which I can't recall anyway).

Posted by: junior at July 10, 2015 12:54 AM (3m3mw)

294 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:49 AM (xJGO2)

Counter counter point:
Daryl Hannah in Clan of the Cave Bear
Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015

Counter counter counter point
Barbara Bach (?) in some caveman flick

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:54 AM (xJGO2)

295 Hey y'all, how's life?

Posted by: Bomber at July 10, 2015 12:55 AM (ahVSy)

296 England told Ireland they could keep their flags and names

Hmmm

When did we outlaw flags. When did we require anyone to change their name?

No. Not different

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 12:55 AM (zOTsN)

297 I got to say, Jeb has sure picked a peculiar strategy to run on.

Announce late, articulate no policy, piss on your base, say stupid shit generally.

Never trust a man with no discernible neck.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 10, 2015 12:56 AM (VvoVZ)

298 I agree about him being an unelectable cocksucker, but what he said on this was taken all the way out of context. He was referring to getting more people back into full time jobs and not the 29.5 hour Bammycare created jobs.

Do not let them win with this bullshit.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty

Being an inarticulate establishment cartoon isn't the best way to get voters to forget that giant anchor of a last name.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2015 12:56 AM (VY8H5)

299 whoa, Bomber!

what time zone you currently enjoying?

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 12:56 AM (TrrHu)

300 Hey Bomber! How ya been?

Posted by: Country Singer at July 10, 2015 12:56 AM (nL0sw)

301 Bomber in the house!

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 12:56 AM (U0xP5)

302 Hey Bomber, how you doin?

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 12:57 AM (ahBY0)

303 301 Things are looking up!!!

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 12:57 AM (YJeFl)

304 I'm hoping they skip over him and go straight to William.

I'm sure the queen has an army of guys at the college of arms poring through old papers to find a way. I suspect there aren't many people in England who want Charles to be king. Not that its very significant but what a blight on the crown after his magnificent mother.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:58 AM (39g3+)

305 Ireland has a lot of good rebellion songs from when the Empire slaughtered and enslaved and robbed them.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 12:58 AM (s2Kke)

306 Hey Bomber

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 12:58 AM (xJGO2)

307 When did we outlaw flags. When did we require anyone to change their name?

No. Not different

Well for one thing: Ireland was an existing nation that was invaded by England. Kind of different, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:59 AM (39g3+)

308 Maet thanks for bringing up Albion's Seed. Not an easy read at all and yet when I was done, I had learned so much about America - and America's divisions.

So Massachusetts doesn't like the South now. Well, Massachusetts didn't like the South in 1730. And vice versa. And not because of slavery (it wasn't banned in Mass. then. What happened was 17th and 18th century Africans died like flies in the Northern environment - just like 17th and 18th century Englishmen and women died like flies in Virginia, which was a "tropical" climate for them. So slaves were not economically feasible in the north.) Slavery was one issue among many.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 12:59 AM (+XMAD)

309 [i/]

italics !!

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 01:00 AM (TrrHu)

310 Dana Loesch wonders why bakeries have to follow the law but sanctuary cities don't: http://tinyurl.com/op465wy

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:00 AM (YJeFl)

311

shit!

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 01:00 AM (TrrHu)

312 No. Not different. The U.S. became an Empire and invaded the South. It was a collection of states, not a country.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:01 AM (s2Kke)

313 Time zone is still D* (Kabul). Good news is, only another three and a half weeks in this shithole. Bad news is, I have no idea where I'm going when I go home. Up until a couple of days ago, I had some kickass followon orders, but that fell through.

Posted by: Bomber at July 10, 2015 01:01 AM (ahVSy)

314 I could help Dana with her wondering. Really, I could

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:02 AM (xJGO2)

315 No not different. When the United States was founded they thought of each state as an independent nation

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 01:02 AM (zOTsN)

316 I'm sure the queen has an army of guys at the college of arms poring through old papers to find a way. I suspect there aren't many people in England who want Charles to be king. Not that its very significant but what a blight on the crown after his magnificent mother.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 12:58 AM (39g3+)

All she has to do is outlive him. And womenfolk of the line have been very long-lived indeed. The menfolk, not so much.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:02 AM (CIyVc)

317 Hey Bomber!

PrimordialOrderedPair, do you have any idea how f*cking much it costs to care for a head injury patient? Hint--about 6 figures a year for the rest of their lives, plus about 200 large up front for the initial hospitalization. Do you know the vast majority of it comes from Medicare and Medicaid, and so taxpayers are paying for it? Do you know that most head injuries come from blunt trauma (i.e. car, motorcycle accidents and the like) and are preventable with seat belt use? Do you know how many dumb f*cks I've personally seen ruined or killed from not wearing seat belts?

So, forgive my bluntness, but I don't give a f*ck that you don't like the seat belt question, because unlike asking you about guns, it does have real world public health consequences.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:02 AM (b2cFu)

318 shit!

Well, OK. Don't think it will actually help anything.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 10, 2015 01:02 AM (UVfht)

319 Well you guys are really reaching here - clearly there's a big difference between invading a nation that preexisted your attack by a good 1500 years and a portion of an existing nation splitting off and being attacked.

And at no point in the history of the US as a country did any state consider its self a separate nation. They understood that it was one nation, with each state sovereign within its own borders, not a distinct little country.

But I have to go to bed now, so have fun.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 10, 2015 01:04 AM (39g3+)

320 Time to go to bed, Goodnight horde!

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 01:04 AM (+XMAD)

321 The states were for a time printing their own money. Then they went to a single currency like the EU. Would you say that the nations of the EU are not separate nations becuase they share a currency?

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 01:04 AM (zOTsN)

322 Occasional poster here, also an MD. One of the nicer things about my particular specialty is that the only time I really need to ask firearms-related questions is when someone's chief complaint is psychiatric in nature. It's much easier to get the depressed guy admitted to the psychiatric ward when I can tell the psychiatrist the patient has easy access to firearms.

Other than those patients, however, I generally don't give a crap what kind of guns are in the house and rarely ask if the patient owns any. Something about the "right to keep and bear arms" not being infringed...

Posted by: Phil Laicheaux at July 10, 2015 01:04 AM (AjVZP)

323 Nite Donna

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:04 AM (xJGO2)

324 LED 60-watt bulbs are mighty. CPT Charles put 2 in the overhead lamp and they shine with a brilliance those frikkin' sandle-power curly bulbs can't match.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 01:05 AM (ry4ab)

325 So, forgive my bluntness, but I don't give a f*ck that you don't like
the seat belt question, because unlike asking you about guns, it does
have real world public health consequences.

Why aren't they on school buses then?

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:05 AM (ahBY0)

326 So, forgive my bluntness, but I don't give a f*ck that you don't like
the seat belt question, because unlike asking you about guns, it does
have real world public health consequences.>>>

Do you think you get honest answers?
Do you think asking the question makes people wear their seatbelts?
Do you think Motorcycles should be outlawed?

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:06 AM (1SHv1)

327 What about the War Crimes that Germany committed against Greece? They cut them off from food and money while they were under siege. They stole payments that rightfully belonged to hotels and tour operators.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:06 AM (s2Kke)

328 @316 All she has to do is outlive him. And womenfolk of the line have been very long-lived indeed. The menfolk, not so much.
----------------

She's already been pretty long-lived as it is. Keep in mind that she was a useful and productive member of society (and not in the "look pretty and wave to the crowds" sort of way) during World War 2. She'll be 90 next year.

Charles is starting to get up there as well, though I don't think he's in danger of going decrepit quite yet. He's "only" 66.

Posted by: junior at July 10, 2015 01:07 AM (3m3mw)

329 In the race between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, Hillary should be trouncing his ass, but Hillary, as a candidate, sucks even more than Monica.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 10, 2015 01:07 AM (e8kgV)

330 Why aren't they on school buses then?

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:05 AM (ahBY0)

Because it would be next to impossible to get all the little bastards to do them up, and keep them done up? Easier just to staple them to the seats, IMHO.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:08 AM (CIyVc)

331 Bedtime for me, folks. Y'all take care.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 10, 2015 01:08 AM (nL0sw)

332
"Do you know that most head injuries come from blunt trauma (i.e. car, motorcycle accidents and the like) and are preventable with seat belt use?"
I think this is inappropriate phrasing because it looks like you're claiming that most head injuries could be prevented with seat belts.
Unless you ARE.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:08 AM (YJeFl)

333 Howdy, y'all!

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 01:09 AM (EzgxV)

334 PrimordialOrderedPair, do you have any idea how f*cking much it costs to care for a head injury patient? Hint--about 6 figures a year for the rest of their lives, plus about 200 large up front for the initial hospitalization. Do you know the vast majority of it comes from Medicare and Medicaid, and so taxpayers are paying for it? Do you know that most head injuries come from blunt trauma (i.e. car, motorcycle accidents and the like) and are preventable with seat belt use? Do you know how many dumb f*cks I've personally seen ruined or killed from not wearing seat belts?

So, forgive my bluntness, but I don't give a f*ck that you don't like the seat belt question, because unlike asking you about guns, it does have real world public health consequences.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:02 AM (b2cFu)

That's friggin retarded. Just because something might end up injuring someone doesn't mean that it's any of your business as a doctor. What you just argued for is something that you think the government, I guess, should be doing (as that's the money you are talking about). But seat belts ARE NOT the business of any doctor. They are not any sort of "health issue". And if you think that a seat belt is a "health issue" that a doctor should be dealing with and worrying about then you are just nuts.

Next you'll want to know if there are cracks in the sidewalk by my house ... in case someone falls and cracks their head open .. or if we have knives in the drawers, or ladders ...

I mean, WTFFF??

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 01:09 AM (MYSVz)

335 Nite CS

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:09 AM (xJGO2)

336 >>> .... Do you know that most head injuries come from blunt trauma (i.e. car,
motorcycle accidents and the like) and are preventable with seat belt
use?

Never seen a motorcycle with a seatbelt.

Posted by: Bomber at July 10, 2015 01:10 AM (ahVSy)

337 Well the initial question was how no other country allowed its people to wave the flag of a defeated rebellion or revere its failed leaders. And that's not true, it's an English tradition. Guy Fawkes day anyone?

Posted by: ThunderB at July 10, 2015 01:10 AM (zOTsN)

338 326 So, forgive my bluntness, but I don't give a f*ck that you don't like
the seat belt question, because unlike asking you about guns, it does
have real world public health consequences.>>>

Do you think you get honest answers?
Do you think asking the question makes people wear their seatbelts?
Do you think Motorcycles should be outlawed?
Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:06 AM (1SHv1)

I'm in the ED, so I usually only ask in the setting of accidents, where I know a percentage are lying to me. Does it work? I haven't read any studies on it specifically, but there is excellent evidence that repeated prompting of a behavior promotes the behavior, and I think it is reasonable and appropriate for primary care doctors to ask and remind on visits--I won't say mandatory though, because they have enough other sh*t to try to cram into an annual physical.

As to motorcycles, no, I would not outlaw them. I do think that helmets should be mandatory, or else you are automatically opted out of treatment for injuries if you are not wearing one. If you want to take your chances to feel the wind in your hair that badly, don't ask society to pay for you to spend 40 years as a vegetable when half your gray matter is a smear on the interstate.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:10 AM (b2cFu)

339 G'night Donna & Country Singer.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 01:11 AM (iVV84)

340 That New Yorker cartoon above? Yet more proof of that old saw about replacing the caption with "I think I'll kill myself" making it even better.

Posted by: do be do be do at July 10, 2015 01:11 AM (hjMgv)

341 Easier just to staple them to the seats, IMHO.

You damn Canadians always seem to have a nicer way of dealing with things.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:11 AM (ahBY0)

342 Charles is starting to get up there as well, though I don't think he's in danger of going decrepit quite yet. He's "only" 66.

Posted by: junior at July 10, 2015 01:07 AM (3m3mw)

His grandfather, George VI, died at age 56.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:11 AM (CIyVc)

343 It wasn't a rebellion. It was Independent States exercising their rights.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:11 AM (s2Kke)

344 Do School Buses still not have seat belts?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:12 AM (s2Kke)

345 342 Yeah he sure outlived the over and under about dying from AIDS

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:13 AM (YJeFl)

346 I don't get the uproar over the battle flag. It is a flag for God's sake- a historical item left over from 150 years ago that some (many?) cling to for nostalgia. BFD. Let people have the reveries of the past. There sure isn't any push to ban Che, that murderous coward. Fyi, I'm from late 19th century North Dakota stock (French, English, Irish German so I should be angry at everyone) so I don't have a dog in this fight.

Posted by: free tibet, etc. at July 10, 2015 01:13 AM (lAXNl)

347 His grandfather, George VI, died at age 56.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at

With some of those women, I would want to leave first as well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:13 AM (xJGO2)

348 Bomber

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:13 AM (9mTYi)

349 Vampires live a long time. The Royal Usurpers of England are Transylvanian.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:15 AM (s2Kke)

350 345 342 Yeah he sure outlived the over and under about dying from AIDS
Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:13 AM (YJeFl)

Hey I used to be a contender too you know.

Posted by: Syphilis at July 10, 2015 01:15 AM (pAlYe)

351 If you want to take your chances to feel the wind in your hair that
badly, don't ask society to pay for you to spend 40 years as a vegetable
when half your gray matter is a smear on the interstate.>>>

I don't ride motorcycles anymore because I fear other drivers too much. My point was mostly what good do the questions about seat belts do at a doc visit. It is already illegal for me to drive without one. Pretty sure that awareness is being much taken care of with $200 tickets.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:16 AM (1SHv1)

352
Standing joke among motorcyclists:
What do you call a rider without a helmet?
Answer: An organ donor.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:17 AM (9mTYi)

353 Ok, nitpickers, I didn't specify helmets with motorcycles or seatbelts for vehicles with them, the original thrust of the argument stands.

POP, are you saying the government has no interest in the safety of its citizens? That's a bizarre claim, even for a libertarian.

As a physician, it is absolutely my concern to prevent injuries, morally if not legally. Possession of firearms or knives does not dramatically increase your risk of injury by themselves. Travelling in a moving vehicle has inherent risks which can be reduced, at literally the most trivial imposition of your liberty imaginable, by just wearing the damn belt.

re: for buses, again, I have not looked at studies specifically for that. The thinking way back when, whether reinforced with evidence or not, was that they were unnecessary in vehicles that large. I do know that there are some buses that do have them.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:17 AM (b2cFu)

354 Conservative Crank:

That is a welfare medicine problem, and not a helmet/seatbelt problem. Get the government and the SCOTUS out of the medical welfare business, and it goes away.

I'd expect medical insurance vendors to add a policy provision requiring helmet and seatbelt use before they fork over a dime to fix the aftermath of a vehicle accident.

No seatbelt? Too bad for you.

Posted by: Kristophr at July 10, 2015 01:17 AM (6fIOn)

355 Well the Queen Mother (also Elizabeth), the wife of George VI was a great lady. George was a lucky guy to have such a babe.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/30/04 /282789C700000578-0___-a-19_1430363979522.jpg

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:18 AM (CIyVc)

356 The year I was at Sturgis 7 guys died in a bike on bike collision

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 01:18 AM (TrrHu)

357 A lot of adult young people around me are using mopeds as transportation. Must be the economy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:18 AM (s2Kke)

358 305
Ireland has a lot of good rebellion songs from when the Empire slaughtered and enslaved and robbed them.
-----------
Yeah, and the PC-SJW crowd acts just like the conquest-minded English in their determination to un-make the opposition. The English banned the Irish first from wearing saffron and then green colors. They banned the Highland Scots from wearing tartan fabric, plaids, and kilts. The English banned the teaching or public speaking or writing of Welsh, Scots Gaelic, and Irish Gaelic. Welshmen and Irishmen were barred from public office, and if Catholic were forbidden to openly practice their faith upon penalty of fines, imprisonment, or both. The English systematically disarmed the Welsh, Highland Scots, and Irish. They studded Wales and Ireland with castles to hold the land that was taken. Does this sort of thing seem familiar to anyone who has observed the PC Left in action?

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 01:18 AM (ry4ab)

359 Standing joke among motorcyclists:

What do you call a rider without a helmet?

Answer: An organ donor.>>>

Another one.
$5 Helmet
$5 head

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:19 AM (1SHv1)

360 Women, Guns, and Rights

According to feminists, guns have more rights than women.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=9441

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 10, 2015 01:20 AM (/YkzI)

361 351
If you want to take your chances to feel the wind in your hair that

badly, don't ask society to pay for you to spend 40 years as a vegetable

when half your gray matter is a smear on the interstate.>>>

I
don't ride motorcycles anymore because I fear other drivers too much.
My point was mostly what good do the questions about seat belts do at a
doc visit. It is already illegal for me to drive without one. Pretty
sure that awareness is being much taken care of with $200 tickets.
--------------
"Click it or ticket." - Slogan of the happy and helpful revenue-hunting Ohio State Patrol.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 01:20 AM (ry4ab)

362 I think at this point it is going to burn no matter what. Fuck the GOPe, fuck the Left, I am going into serious hunker down mode. Build up my land, look to my supplies.

If anyone needs a red state residence, I still have that house in Madisonville, KY if anyone wants or needs a place to go.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at July 10, 2015 01:21 AM (n6pAK)

363 Standing joke among motorcyclists:
What do you call a rider without a helmet?
Answer: An organ donor.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:17 AM (9mTYi)

Which their estate doesn't get paid for, either. It's funny ... the only person who doesn't get paid anything in an organ transplant operation is ...the only truly indispensable person to the transplant operation ... the person the organ came from.

Because it would be "immoral". It's not immoral for anyone else involved, but the one person who is needed to make it all work, they can't be paid anything. yeah ... that's medical "ethics" for you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 01:22 AM (MYSVz)

364 I'd expect medical insurance vendors to add a policy provision requiring helmet and seatbelt use before they fork over a dime to fix the aftermath of a vehicle accident.
------------

Hmm. Let the marketplace address the problem. Want to ride without a helmet? Fine, here's the rider to your policy, and the additional premium cost.

As an aside, I will point out that my last independent policy excluded coverage for any injuries incurred while participating in organized motor competition. Thus ended my road-racing career..., and, I Could'a been a contenda!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:22 AM (9mTYi)

365
360 Hey p-hat
Your site is always worth a visit

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:23 AM (YJeFl)

366 Travelling in a moving vehicle has inherent risks which can be reduced,
at literally the most trivial imposition of your liberty imaginable, by
just wearing the damn belt.

You're right, I agree. How do you feel about eating previously licked donuts?

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:23 AM (ahBY0)

367 sure that awareness is being much taken care of with $200 tickets.
--------------
"Click it or ticket." - Slogan of the happy and helpful revenue-hunting Ohio State Patrol.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 01

Same theme going on here.

CC us older folks don't want a lot of ?s as our docs aren't our parents or nanny

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:23 AM (xJGO2)

368 Well, buses ought to have seat belts, or simpler still, even just an amusement park ride type safety bar.

I'm not looking for a bubble-wrap world here, but having schoolkids play unintended projectile as an unexpected part of their school day, is not a good thing.

As far as seat belts on airliners? I use 'em, all the time, and they've certainly kept my ass firmly in the seat, when the turbulence wanted to move it to the overhead bins.

Anyone who flies enough, will eventually get to experience at least "moderate" turbulence. Which is actually more severe than the word seems, but if a pilot reports "severe" turbulence, it grounds the aircraft, pending certain critical inspections.

Seat belts on aircraft won't help very much if your Air France Pilot flat spins the bird into the Atlantic, I'll grant. But I'll bet that every passenger on Sullenberger's "Miracle on the Hudson" flight was damn glad to have theirs cinched down tight. That was damn near a carrier-landing level of deceleration on that one.

But I'll agree on this much. Anytime a doctor asks me about seat belts or guns, I reverse the question on them, with a grin and a "you first" response. How they answer will tell me an awful lot of what my subsequent responses may be.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 10, 2015 01:24 AM (RzZOc)

369 Will helmets be required in automobiles once we go to "single payer"?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 10, 2015 01:24 AM (W5DcG)

370 You're right, I agree. How do you feel about eating previously licked donuts?

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:23 AM (ahBY0)

This is getting awfully personal, you know.

Posted by: Allison Williams at July 10, 2015 01:25 AM (CIyVc)

371 >> helmets be required in automobiles once we go to "single payer"?

you don't already do that?
I do, it is badass

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 01:25 AM (TrrHu)

372 Yes. Also knee and elbow pads and a flashing blue light.

Posted by: mojo at July 10, 2015 01:25 AM (OmBeX)

373 Another one.
$5 Helmet�
$5 head

Posted by: Robinson
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I learned that one in the eighties when I got into cycling. And yes, auto drive DESPISE cyclists on "their" roads, and will intentionally run you off the road.

Click It or Ticket is probably the slogan for all 57 states...

And mopeds?
Hell, I've thought about one - minimal initial investment. Fun, easy ride if you're not commuting far, and 60+mpg.
I know quite a few adults that swear by them.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 01:26 AM (M/gdM)

374 How much taxpayer money did Octomom blow up? Eight preemies in the neonatal intensive care ward for weeks and months, and we the payers of the bill had not word one to say about it. It was her choice, but we had to pay for it.

Until socialized medicine is tossed out on it's ear, injustice will always be the watchword. How's about all those gangbangers getting shot and stabbed and getting 'free' medical care?

I can go on and on on this topic. Sorry, CC; your argument on seat belts is all wet.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 01:26 AM (Y74qL)

375 What about that Hans device thingy?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:26 AM (s2Kke)

376 369
Will helmets be required in automobiles once we go to "single payer"?
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Once we go to single payer the government will try to make us all obtain self-driving cars.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 01:27 AM (ry4ab)

377 POP, are you saying the government has no interest in the safety of its citizens? That's a bizarre claim, even for a libertarian.

I'm not a libertarian in any way and, the government has very little interest in the safety of THE citizens due to their own behavior. Life is fraught with dangers and freedom involves being allowed to assume the risk of as many of them as I wish.

As a physician, it is absolutely my concern to prevent injuries, morally if not legally. Possession of firearms or knives does not dramatically increase your risk of injury by themselves. Travelling in a moving vehicle has inherent risks which can be reduced, at literally the most trivial imposition of your liberty imaginable, by just wearing the damn belt.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:17 AM (b2cFu)

It is not a "health issue". Look, every single thing someone does affects their health. By your reasoning doctors would end up being in charge of every little thing that every one does.

No, unless it is directly related to something the patient might have (to help with a diagnosis or figure out where it came from) or a patient asks you for some advice, specifically, you have no business delving into their lives. You are a doctor. Not the manager of your patients' lives.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 01:28 AM (MYSVz)

378 Will helmets be required in automobiles once we go to "single payer"?>>>

And a Hans Device and a 5 point harness, full roll cage, self sealing fuel cell and of course a 30 mile an hour governor.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:28 AM (1SHv1)

379 If you have a self driving car can you ride around all liquored up?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:28 AM (s2Kke)

380 I know quite a few adults that swear by them.
Posted by: Chi
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*swearing at scooter in front of me, as it struggles to make 25 mph up the hill*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:29 AM (9mTYi)

381 If you have a self driving car can you ride around all liquored up?
Posted by: Boss Moss
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Another blessing conferred upon you by the mandatory employment of Googlemobiles.

Posted by: Big Brother at July 10, 2015 01:31 AM (9mTYi)

382 dartist, you believe that bakers should lick their donuts and then serve them? Or do you think that some minimum public health standards, like making sure cows with mad cow disease don't get into the food supply, might actually be of some benefit?

Paying for organ donation leads to all kinds of really ugly ethical situations really fast. You are free to argue that if they're already dead, what's the harm, but the point is there will be families and doctors tempted to pull the plug on patients who may well live if that is a consideration.

Kristophr--and how will EMS or the ED doctor know if that patient has insurance during those hectic first few minutes where treatment means life or death?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:31 AM (b2cFu)

383 Click It or Ticket is probably the slogan for all 57 states...

And mopeds?
Hell, I've thought about one - minimal initial investment. Fun, easy ride if you're not commuting far, and 60+mpg.
I know quite a few adults that swear by them.
Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 01:26

Know a guy whose mopeds rear tire and hew chewed up his toes real bad. If you hear this fuys life story he's the harbinger of failure

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:31 AM (xJGO2)

384 If I still had a Motorcycle I'd wear a helmet. But fuck you if you think I'll wear one to ride my bicycle.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:31 AM (1SHv1)

385 And a Hans Device and a 5 point harness, full roll cage, self sealing fuel cell and of course a 30 mile an hour governor.
Posted by: Robinson
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Nomex

Posted by: Big Brother at July 10, 2015 01:32 AM (9mTYi)

386 If I still had a Motorcycle I'd wear a helmet. But fuck you if you think I'll wear one to ride my bicycle.
Posted by: Robinson
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*writes citation*
*confiscates bicycle*

Posted by: Big Brother at July 10, 2015 01:32 AM (9mTYi)

387 385 And a Hans Device and a 5 point harness, full roll cage, self sealing fuel cell and of course a 30 mile an hour governor.
Posted by: Robinson
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Nomex
Posted by: Big Brother at July 10, 2015 01:32 AM (9mTYi)

And a shitload of bubblewrap.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 01:32 AM (pAlYe)

388 Rear tire blow out

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:33 AM (xJGO2)

389
A buddy told me yesterday that backup cameras will be required in every new car starting next year.
So now there'll be footage of everywhere you go.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:33 AM (YJeFl)

390 Nomex

Posted by: Big Brother at July 10, 2015 01:32 AM (9mTYi)

Rayciss!

Posted by: La Raza at July 10, 2015 01:33 AM (CIyVc)

391 This is getting awfully personal, you know.

Allison darling, everyone already knows it was you and moo moo in the back of that news van. It's cool.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:33 AM (ahBY0)

392 What kind of top end speed does a moped have? I'd hate to get sideways on one of those.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:34 AM (s2Kke)

393 So now there'll be footage of everywhere you go.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:33 AM (YJeFl)

Or at least everywhere you've been.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:34 AM (CIyVc)

394 Nomex>>>

And a Halon fire suppression system. Oh wait those are illegal because of the Ozone Hole.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:34 AM (1SHv1)

395 388 Yeah I was about to call autocompete fail of the year

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:35 AM (YJeFl)

396 380
You're looking at the wrong scooter, there, Howdy Do.
These modern things can smoke the tires & some hit 70...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 01:35 AM (M/gdM)

397 A buddy told me yesterday that backup cameras will be required in every new car starting next year.
So now there'll be footage of everywhere you go.
Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:33 AM (YJeFl)

Not unless they also mandated video storage with the camera which as far as I know they haven't.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 01:36 AM (pAlYe)

398 What's wrong with the mirrors?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:36 AM (s2Kke)

399 Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:33 AM (ahBY0)

Moo moo hangs out with a Steve in the back of the van. Not Allison

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:36 AM (xJGO2)

400 Paying for organ donation leads to all kinds of really ugly ethical situations really fast. You are free to argue that if they're already dead, what's the harm, but the point is there will be families and doctors tempted to pull the plug on patients who may well live if that is a consideration.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:31 AM (b2cFu)

That problem exists without any payment for the organ. Just knowing that someone is an organ donor is the temptation to pull the plug quickly. If there were a payment involved for the organ (and it would be pretty steep ... because it's worth it) then the doctors would actually have less incentive to pull the plug to harvest organs.

There is no moral problem with paying for organs. For dead people, they are property of the estate and they are worth a lot of money. For poor people who die in accidents their families might have some use for that money in the estate - aside from the fact that everyone deserves it, poor or not. I tell people that I would donate an organ only if everyone else involved in the transplant would donate their services. Not many takers on that ...

The moral issue is pretty simple and it is the exact opposite of what people have been brainwashed into thinking it is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 01:37 AM (MYSVz)

401 What kind of top end speed does a moped have? I'd hate to get sideways on one of those.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:34 AM (s2Kke)

I think, to qualify as a "moped", the bike has to have pedals, and an engine of no more than 49 cc. Might top out at about 40 mph on a good day.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:37 AM (CIyVc)

402 And a Halon fire suppression system. Oh wait those are illegal because of the Ozone Hole.
Posted by: Robinson
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Won't help much anyhow, those Googlemobile batteries just become plasma-cutters. Oxygen, no oxygen, it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:37 AM (9mTYi)

403 Not unless they also mandated video storage with the camera which as far as I know they haven't.>>>

Weve mandated some updates to the black box in all cars. This is likely the least intrusive.

Posted by: NSA at July 10, 2015 01:38 AM (1SHv1)

404
394 Speaking of which, I just found out the EPA wants to replace R-134 with refrigerants that are either flammable or CO2.
Just don't get in a wreck I guess... one will cook you and the other just suffocates you.
Oh well can't have global warming

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:38 AM (YJeFl)

405 I ride a Honda ct110 around sometimes it gets about 70 mpg.

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 10, 2015 01:38 AM (dULJN)

406 But I'll agree on this much. Anytime a doctor asks me about seat belts or guns, I reverse the question on them, with a grin and a "you first" response. How they answer will tell me an awful lot of what my subsequent responses may be.

---

I can see the issue with the gun question. But do any of y'all seriously think your doctor doesn't wear a seatbelt or that "hey, wear a seatbelt" isn't sound advice which, if followed, is likely to prevent major health problems?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at July 10, 2015 01:38 AM (L9eLg)

407 Evening horde

Posted by: thathalfrican at July 10, 2015 01:38 AM (R5HRU)

408 Kristophr--and how will EMS or the ED doctor know if that patient has insurance during those hectic first few minutes where treatment means life or death?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:31 AM (b2cFu)

334 PrimordialOrderedPair, do you have any idea how f*cking much it costs to care for a head injury patient? Hint--about 6 figures a year for the rest of their lives, plus about 200 large up front for the initial hospitalization.

It's already a known risk that EMS and ED doctors may be treating someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to pay. How is that handled?

And, BTW, I also think you're wrong about intrusive questions that end up in patient records. It takes time away from fixing the problem at hand and builds additional information for third-party busybodies to mine.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (EzgxV)

409 I don't see pedals, but they may fold up. I think there is a Moped Logo.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (s2Kke)

410 { old joke }Y'know, riding a moped is kinda like screwing a fat girl. They're both a lot of fun, but'cha don't want your friends to see you on either one of 'em. {/old joke }

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (RzZOc)

411 Robinson,
I ain't talking about taking for kids for a ride around the neighborhood with President Mom Jeans - try commuting 150 miles per week, then pedaling on the weekends another 100 for "fun."
I guarantee the first time you got bumped off the road by a soccer mom at her time of the month, you'd be buying the best helmet you could find.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (M/gdM)

412 Might top out at about 40 mph on a good day.
Posted by: Alberta
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In NC, top speed capability is limited to 30, for a qualifying scooter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (9mTYi)

413 Moo moo hangs out with a Steve in the back of the van. Not Allison

Adam and Steve camp. Sorry, my mistake.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (ahBY0)

414 397 You think theywon't betransmitting?

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (YJeFl)

415 374 How much taxpayer money did Octomom blow up? Eight preemies in the neonatal intensive care ward for weeks and months, and we the payers of the bill had not word one to say about it. It was her choice, but we had to pay for it.

Until socialized medicine is tossed out on it's ear, injustice will always be the watchword. How's about all those gangbangers getting shot and stabbed and getting 'free' medical care?

I can go on and on on this topic. Sorry, CC; your argument on seat belts is all wet.
Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 01:26 AM (Y74qL)

You want to conflate IVF for a welfare queen with seat belts to prevent injuries? That's not even apples to oranges, that's baseball to Candyland.

You're talking about whether an elective procedure that has nothing to do with quality of life should be paid for (answer: no), and whether a behavior that is demonstrably shown to prevent injury and death should be encouraged by a physician (answer:yes--it's a moral imperative, not some damn law that makes me care). I'm not handing over my H&Ps to the highway patrol to cite patients for not wearing seat belts, you know.

The current socialized medicine system is completely f*cked up, I live it every day. But while you will find physicians who agree that it's stupid that a box needs to be checked about seat belts, you'll be hard pressed to find one, especially one in emergency or trauma medicine, who doesn't believe they should be worn as a general principle.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:40 AM (b2cFu)

416 Re: paying for organs, we should probably make it legal to compensate living donors of kidneys and liver-bits before we move into the murkier area of compensating the next of kin for organs from dead people.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at July 10, 2015 01:41 AM (L9eLg)

417
"It's already a known risk that EMS and ED doctors may be treating someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to pay. How is that handled?"
EMTALA requires anyone who shows up to the ER to be treated regardless of ability to pay. That's how illegals have closed down almost all the ghetto hospitals in so cal

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:42 AM (YJeFl)

418 Y'know, riding a moped is kinda like screwing a fat girl. They're both a lot of fun, but'cha don't want your friends to see you on either one of 'em. {/old joke }

Posted by: Jim at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (RzZOc)

****

Newer joke: It's like wearing Crocs or getting a BJer from a guy. Both feel good, right up until you look down and realize you are teh ghey.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 01:43 AM (p7dd/)

419 406 But I'll agree on this much. Anytime a doctor asks me about seat belts or guns, I reverse the question on them, with a grin and a "you first" response. How they answer will tell me an awful lot of what my subsequent responses may be.

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I can see the issue with the gun question. But do any of y'all seriously think your doctor doesn't wear a seatbelt or that "hey, wear a seatbelt" isn't sound advice which, if followed, is likely to prevent major health problems?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at July 10, 2015 01:38 AM (L9eLg)

I always wear a seatbelt, because of a story about a person who decided to commit suicide and drove into a bridge abutment at about 60 mph......and lived, because they habitually buckled-up.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 01:43 AM (EzgxV)

420 Chi if I was doing that kind of riding maybe. But I generally cruise the neighborhood or go out on a logging trail. Slow speed relaxation with a feel good amount of exercise.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:44 AM (1SHv1)

421 417 EMTALA is also why people like to use the ERinstead oftheir pcp

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:45 AM (YJeFl)

422
Spot the ONT conundrum --

Is wymyn's underwear really getting smaller (per NdAssHatT) or does it merely appear to be getting smaller because wymyn are in fact getting bigger (per increases in mean avoirdupois)?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2015 01:45 AM (95CzI)

423 Nothing against wearing seat belts or helmets. But, where is the choice crowd? Where is the stay out of my bedroom, truck or motorcycle clan?

You can be irresponsible and get pregnant and kill a human baby for convenience, yet you're gonna ticket me for not wearing the seatbelt in the truck? FU

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:45 AM (xJGO2)

424 "Adam Corolla to the AOS courtesy phone - paging Mr. Corolla"

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 01:46 AM (M/gdM)

425 414 397 You think theywon't betransmitting?
Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (YJeFl)

Nope. Because $$$ and the lack of bandwidth for every car to be streaming video plus the lack of infrastructure to capture and record real-time video from every car.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 01:46 AM (pAlYe)

426 416 Re: paying for organs, we should probably make it legal to compensate living donors of kidneys and liver-bits before we move into the murkier area of compensating the next of kin for organs from dead people.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at July 10, 2015

Well the dead person usually has a large bill after insurance payments. Nothing wrong to pay the donors med bills

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:48 AM (xJGO2)

427 415 374 How much taxpayer money did Octomom blow up? Eight preemies in the neonatal intensive care ward for weeks and months, and we the payers of the bill had not word one to say about it. It was her choice, but we had to pay for it.

Until socialized medicine is tossed out on it's ear, injustice will always be the watchword. How's about all those gangbangers getting shot and stabbed and getting 'free' medical care?

I can go on and on on this topic. Sorry, CC; your argument on seat belts is all wet.
Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 01:26 AM (Y74qL)

You want to conflate IVF for a welfare queen with seat belts to prevent injuries? That's not even apples to oranges, that's baseball to Candyland.

You're talking about whether an elective procedure that has nothing to do with quality of life should be paid for (answer: no), and whether a behavior that is demonstrably shown to prevent injury and death should be encouraged by a physician (answer:yes--it's a moral imperative, not some damn law that makes me care). I'm not handing over my H&Ps to the highway patrol to cite patients for not wearing seat belts, you know.

The current socialized medicine system is completely f*cked up, I live it every day. But while you will find physicians who agree that it's stupid that a box needs to be checked about seat belts, you'll be hard pressed to find one, especially one in emergency or trauma medicine, who doesn't believe they should be worn as a general principle.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:40 AM (b2cFu)

Oh, I fully agree that they should be recommended and used -- I just don't think that these questions belong inside the practice of medicine -- if you were to give talks at the rotary club or make presentations in schools, that would be a great place and time to share your knowledge and advocate such practices. But when you're with a patient, you owe the patient a focus on what he's there for.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (EzgxV)

428 It's already a known risk that EMS and ED doctors may be treating someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to pay. How is that handled?

And, BTW, I also think you're wrong about intrusive questions that end up in patient records. It takes time away from fixing the problem at hand and builds additional information for third-party busybodies to mine.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (EzgxV)

Cooth, there is an unfunded mandate (how I hate those 2 words together) thanks to EMTALA/COBRA legislation that states the ED must treat and stabilize anyone with a potential emergency regardless of ability to pay--so EDs eat those bills already. I won't begrudge stabilizing anyone, but then how do you morally justify telling the family that you're yanking Dad's breathing tube that keeps him alive because he can't pay the bill...

The AMA f*cked this up big time. If they had pushed for mandatory catastrophic insurance, or government provided catastrophic insurance, a lot more doctors would get behind it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (b2cFu)

429 Is wymyn's underwear really getting smaller (per NdAssHatT) or does it merely appear to be getting smaller because wymyn are in fact getting bigger (per increases in mean avoirdupois)?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2015 01:45 AM (95CzI)

You know what's really funny? That same picture has been circulated for years as a satirical poke at the entire CAGW scam. Note the most recent date is 2006. And dumb-fuck NdeGT posts it as support of Gerbil Worming Theory.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (CIyVc)

430 420
I don't ride like that anymore, but did for years (by choice, obviously).
Now, even if I go out for a ten mile pleasure ride I don't wear one - unless it's mid-day & i plan on seeing lots of traffic.
I usually just plan a very early or very late ride.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (j3qlM)

431
425 I wonder as the price and availability of mass storage continue to improve how true that will continue to be.
And of course it coudn't be everyone but for a select few i could see it being feasible.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (YJeFl)

432 I'd like to see some numbers regarding motorcycle helmets. Now..., I'm sure some here might enjoy riding without one, and that's fine, do what you want.

I have this lingering suspicion, however, that riders who do not wear helmets may cost society more by living, then by dying.

*ponders the Bandidos/Cossacks shoot-out*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (9mTYi)

433
You know what's really funny? That same picture has been circulated for years as a satirical poke at the entire CAGW scam. Note the most recent date is 2006. And dumb-fuck NdeGT posts it as support of Gerbil Worming Theory.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (CIyVc)

Cut Neil deAssHatTysonChickenTenders some slack -- his mind is a whirling miasma of thoughts and figures from having to tote up gross receipts from his museum's gift shop every day.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2015 01:51 AM (95CzI)

434 425 414 397 You think theywon't betransmitting?
Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (YJeFl)

Nope. Because $$$ and the lack of bandwidth for every car to be streaming video plus the lack of infrastructure to capture and record real-time video from every car.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 01:46 AM (pAlYe)

They'd probably start with 1 pic every 60 seconds.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 01:51 AM (EzgxV)

435 i was a local in the Chicago pits for 15 years. Other than once or twice(9/11), we definitely knew exactly what was going on.

Posted by: john at July 10, 2015 01:52 AM (VekM5)

436 A good dog is snoring next to me right now and I find that very soothing

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:52 AM (YJeFl)

437 Damn, let's see how much farther afield we can get away from the original premise that the questions being asked are none of the Doc's offices fucking business.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 01:53 AM (QNcbF)

438 Cooth, I think what actually ends up in the records is "Patient counseled on use of seat belts." I don't know if the patient's answer to the question is part of the record or not, it may depend on the doc, but the counseling is what needs to be documented for billing reasons. Again, not PCP, so I'm not as up on some of that office stuff.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:53 AM (b2cFu)

439 I'll be damned if I ever wear a helmet!
That would make me look stoopid!

Posted by: Gary Busey at July 10, 2015 01:54 AM (DkRHT)

440 415 >>> ...I'm not handing over my HPs to the highway patrol to cite patients for not wearing seat belts, you know.

CC, that 'info' goes into a central database and is collected for who knows what use. The answers to those ?s get submitted to the gubmint through the new universal data records requirement of OCare. And the law on seatbelts is universal in the US, has been for decades, and even the lowest IQ driver KNOWS he/she is supposed to be wearing one.

So what purpose do you serve by asking the question? Cuz the gubmint told you to? I dunno, maybe you're right, maybe you can change just one person's behavior and get them to buckle up when they wouldn't before. But I kinda doubt it.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 01:54 AM (Y74qL)

441 On the women's underwear thing. Are they getting smaller due to global warming or over advertising? Hell an ankle is an excuse for rape in the ME and it's always been hot as hell over there.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:55 AM (1SHv1)

442 And I will argue as a physician that the reminder to wear a seat belt is appropriate. The gun questions are stupid, I agree, except in the cases of homicidals, suicidals, and psychotics.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:55 AM (b2cFu)

443 I'd like to see some numbers regarding motorcycle helmets. Now..., I'm sure some here might enjoy riding without one, and that's fine, do what you want.

I have this lingering suspicion, however, that riders who do not wear helmets may cost society more by living, then by dying.

*ponders the Bandidos/Cossacks shoot-out*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (9mTYi)

You know, this is really a tough one. Some bikers I know say they prefer to ride without a helmet, because a bad wreck with massive head injuries will kill them outright, whereas wearing the brain bucket may keep their head intact, at the expense of a broken neck, which means they spend the next 30 years of their life sitting in a wheelchair on the porch, watching the guys cruise by on their Harleys.

You can find anecdotal evidence to support either side of the issue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 01:55 AM (CIyVc)

444 428 It's already a known risk that EMS and ED doctors may be treating someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to pay. How is that handled?

And, BTW, I also think you're wrong about intrusive questions that end up in patient records. It takes time away from fixing the problem at hand and builds additional information for third-party busybodies to mine.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 01:39 AM (EzgxV)

Cooth, there is an unfunded mandate (how I hate those 2 words together) thanks to EMTALA/COBRA legislation that states the ED must treat and stabilize anyone with a potential emergency regardless of ability to pay--so EDs eat those bills already. I won't begrudge stabilizing anyone, but then how do you morally justify telling the family that you're yanking Dad's breathing tube that keeps him alive because he can't pay the bill...

The AMA f*cked this up big time. If they had pushed for mandatory catastrophic insurance, or government provided catastrophic insurance, a lot more doctors would get behind it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (b2cFu)

This is more than just an AMA f-up, this is a joint government/insurance/pharma/AMA/hospitals/med schools f-up

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 01:55 AM (EzgxV)

445 The AMA f*cked this up big time. If they had pushed for mandatory catastrophic insurance, or government provided catastrophic insurance, a lot more doctors would get behind it.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (b2cFu)

*****

Are you listening to yourself right now, while realizing where you are posting?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 01:56 AM (p7dd/)

446
Nothing against wearing seat belts or helmets. But, where is the choice
crowd? Where is the stay out of my bedroom, truck or motorcycle clan?

That's why I brought up school buses. I should have a choice whether to endanger myself but kids in buses shouldn't. I wear my seat belt.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:56 AM (ahBY0)

447 Nope. Because $$$ and the lack of bandwidth for every car to be streaming video plus the lack of infrastructure to capture and record real-time video from every car.
Posted by: Maetenloch
-----------------

Doesn't matter. Location data, at least, is being gathered by 3rd parties by the roadside.

"At present that database has 2.3 billion permanent records, including hundreds of thousands gathered locally. On average, the whereabouts of every vehicle in the United States — yours, mine, your mother's — appears in that database nine times."

http://tinyurl.com/om38fpx

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 01:56 AM (9mTYi)

448 I won't begrudge stabilizing anyone, but then how do you morally justify telling the family that you're yanking Dad's breathing tube that keeps him alive because he can't pay the bill...

Because people used to understand that you had to pay for the things you got. There were charities that would handle these sorts of problems. There are lots of things that people can't pay for that make life tough, if not impossible. That's how it goes.

Don't confuse an emotional issue with a moral one. They are not the same. And there are lots of procedures that might help one stay alive longer that most people can't afford and insurance won't cover. That's just tough. Twenty years ago most of those procedures didn't even exist and people were able to deal with it. But now, that someone invented the procedure and it exists it seems that people are claiming a right to it, regardless of cost or ability to pay. Sorry, no moral issue there except that people who can't pay for services should expect not to get them unless they find a charitable benefactor - not the government.

The AMA f*cked this up big time. If they had pushed for mandatory catastrophic insurance, or government provided catastrophic insurance, a lot more doctors would get behind it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:49 AM (b2cFu)

Okay ... now you've really lost me. I cannot in any way, shape, or form agree to any sorts of insurance mandates for just being alive. That is just way, way, way too far.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 01:58 AM (MYSVz)

449 445 If I wasn't on ignorescript I'd point out how much how much of some commenting resembles fight-picking

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:58 AM (YJeFl)

450 436 A good dog is snoring next to me right now and I find that very soothing
Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 01:52 AM (YJeFl)

Our 55# female snuggled is right here. God she's gassy tonight

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 01:58 AM (xJGO2)

451 I have to say that whether it's the Docs business or not, I have no problem whatsoever with an ER doc taking fifteen seconds out of his consult to say "wear a seatbelt. You probably wouldn't be here if you did."

That said, in the spirit of full disclosure, I have flipped two different vehicles. Multiple rollovers both times. Over 60mph both times.
Wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and walked away from both without a scratch. And this was before airbags.
I know that I was very lucky. I think I have a guardian angel (or had).

Posted by: Gary Busey at July 10, 2015 01:59 AM (KrBYw)

452
448 Yes we've become so decadent that we expect near-miracle levels of medical care to be provided for free.
History will not be kind

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 02:00 AM (YJeFl)

453 You can find anecdotal evidence to support either side of the issue.
Posted by: Alberta
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Yes..., anecdotal evidence.
I have heard people say "I won't wear a seat belt, because I want to be thrown clear."

My response is, "You should ride a motorcycle, without a helmet. They are always 'thrown clear'. "

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 02:00 AM (9mTYi)

454 Once I had kids I always wore a helmet when I rode my motorcycle. Then I got rid of my motorcycle. Then I gave my house to the ex wife. Fuck my life just gets less and less fun as I get older.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 02:00 AM (1SHv1)

455 Thrown clear isn't necessarily a good thing.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2015 02:01 AM (s2Kke)

456
450 That's why I quit feeding mine hahaha
Carolina Dog in white. Carolina Dogs are the best dogs I've ever had.

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 02:01 AM (YJeFl)

457 CC I believe will stop back by to further explain. I do hope soon as I needs to get some beauty rest ha ha

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 02:01 AM (xJGO2)

458 Yup. I'm out too. Good night all, and you too MH ;-)

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 02:03 AM (9mTYi)

459 Did I say I supported mandatory insurance? No, so please stop arguing that I did. I said the AMA could have pushed for that and gotten a lot more support instead of losing most of their support from within medicine.

That being said--if Obamacare ever dies the death it richly deserves, it would be foolish to not have an HSA and or catastrophic insurance. But go ahead and play reverse roulette with your finances if you want--you probably won't need it, but if your number comes up you'll be hosed without it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:03 AM (b2cFu)

460 Oops. Rollover victim was me.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:03 AM (9WLeS)

461 438 Cooth, I think what actually ends up in the records is "Patient counseled on use of seat belts." I don't know if the patient's answer to the question is part of the record or not, it may depend on the doc, but the counseling is what needs to be documented for billing reasons. Again, not PCP, so I'm not as up on some of that office stuff.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:53 AM (b2cFu)

On top of everything else, it is utterly demeaning to the medical profession that "the counseling is what needs to be documented for billing reasons." Medicine is when a patient comes to a doctor to be healed of an affliction (in the case of a physical, afflictions a patient may not know he has). Anything outside this takes the focus off of medicine.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 02:04 AM (EzgxV)

462 Mandatory?

*sigh*

Posted by: eman at July 10, 2015 02:04 AM (MQEz6)

463 Our 55# female snuggled is right here. God she's gassy tonight
------------------------------
Sure, MisHum, blame it on the dog...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:04 AM (bE2IT)

464 That's why I brought up school buses. I should have a choice whether to endanger myself but kids in buses shouldn't. I wear my seat belt.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 01:56 AM (ahBY0)

dartist, I made a flippant reply to this question earlier; this time I will be serious.

1. It would be difficult to ensure 100% compliance. They are kids, after all.

2. School buses are big vehicles, with a lot of mass, and also higher off the ground than most passenger cars. In a collision, they win.

3. In the event of a wreck, and the bus catches fire, seat belts could impede getting the kids out of the vehicle. Panic could set in. This isn't just hypothetical. Couple of decades ago, we had a wreck here in Alberta, in which a propane-fueled school bus caught fire after a collision. No seatbelts, and they got the kids off safely, IIRC.

4. School bus drivers are deemed to be "professionals", and therefore "safer".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2015 02:05 AM (CIyVc)

465 My response is, "You should ride a motorcycle, without a helmet. They are always 'thrown clear'. "
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015

Once a year I get on a kick to buy a Harley. Then I realize the traffic and animals and I say no. I go to the cabin and ride quads, no helmet.

Couple of friends have passed on cycles hitting things from rabbits to white tails.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 02:05 AM (xJGO2)

466 You're talking about whether an elective procedure that has nothing to do with quality of life should be paid for (answer: no), and whether a behavior that is demonstrably shown to prevent injury and death should be encouraged by a physician (answer:yes--it's a moral imperative, not some damn law that makes me care). I'm not handing over my HPs to the highway patrol to cite patients for not wearing seat belts, you know.

Sorry CC but I think we fundamentally disagree on what the purpose of a doctor is. It is not 'to prevent any injuries' - it's to treat any medical problems at that moment or possibly the very near future. You are not OSHA, an insurance underwriter or my mom.

Now if not using seat belts or some other damn foolhardy thing just happens to come up in conversation, then yeah you can add in your two cents about it being dangerous. But it is not your job to go investigating people's lives looking for risk factors that are not medically relevant at that moment. If you choose to do this anyway, then I would advise patients to lie to you if that's less awkward for them and consider looking for a less intrusive doctor.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 02:06 AM (pAlYe)

467 Yes we've become so decadent that we expect near-miracle levels of medical care to be provided for free.
History will not be kind

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 02:00 AM (YJeFl)

It's even worse. Disease A has no cure and high morbidity rate. People who get it tend to die quickly, say. Then, some guy invents a cure for it. All of a sudden, people expect that they are entitled to HIS invention, no matter what it costs, no matter whether they can pay for it, no matter whether they have real insurance. They feel that his invention immediately becomes public property, basically ... because "I could have lived ...". It's ludicrous and insane.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 02:07 AM (MYSVz)

468 453
You were being facetious, with that one, right Mike?

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:08 AM (/gGRS)

469 ha!

curse like a sailor, drink like a mick

that is some moron right there

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 02:08 AM (JyIB3)

470
Back in the olden daze we used to pass our ONT's without hostility and conflict. May tonight's continue in that regard.
Pleasure passing a few moments with y'all- I have dr's appts early 2morrow- good night all and thank you

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 02:09 AM (YJeFl)

471 Dear Diary,
I am going to start only reading the ONT and not the real news. Wail, maybe on the mooch site of mocking her as that is funny. Life is too serious.

Hot. I have no pool to try the fantastic fish kick in private. Bummed out.

This stress of moving and hail in handbasket have made me sprout another volcano on cheek (please keep in mind I have never had acne. Maybe that bat really did bite me watching fireworks?). I am not sure what it is, really. But I hate it. I will name it Obarfy. If it were closer to Christmas I'd hang an ornament on it and pretend it was a new piercing.

On the bright side my Hobbit foot is now not purple and I can wear one more pair of shoes but no sandals. I still limp like Festus in a very gazelle-like grace (actually you sound like the hunchback of Notre Dame with a clubfoot, CB, with a clomping sound with a twist of gallumping).

On the bummer side I really want to try that new swim move but no longer have a private pool to test. I was fixin' to find a lap pool but don't want to startle the poor public immediately swimming the lateral move the length of the pool...but, wow, it looks cool and I am a good swimmer. So it is a sadz time for me. I also miss my olde car. This future pool "must" have UV lights, too, to kill bacteria. This has me a little Sheldonized and icky, too. ack.

On the bright side I do like it here (I keep repeating this mantra). Beautiful home. Coming along. Yada.

Tomorrow perhaps dear Ace will have a snark on someone like Hillz and I can clear my skin via cathartic laughter. Zits! What is next? Maybe boobs will suddenly perk and waist will shrink again! Hope springs eternal.

I just hope it is not that Joni Mitchell disease and fibers come out of mystery zit (keeping in mind I have never, ever, had zits on my cheek so this is freaky). Spider bite? Alien biopsy? I am soon going to have to walk around with a hijab thing to hide complexion as it is a big ole red bullseye right smack on cheek and is going to leave a spot and yes I am whining and mad. Please forgive me dear diary and I hope to be "normal" again soonish. Hangs zit in shame. Woe is me.

Tomorrow will be a better day. Live. Love. Wine. Happy trails. Thank you, Maet, Morons and 'ettes for the tiny crumb of sanity I have left. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen, Aging supermodel apparently gets acne when she moves cross-country at July 10, 2015 02:10 AM (5br9Q)

472 Dear Diary,
I am going to start only reading the ONT and not the real news. Wail, maybe on the mooch site of mocking her as that is funny. Life is too serious.

Hot. I have no pool to try the fantastic fish kick in private. Bummed out.

This stress of moving and hail in handbasket have made me sprout another volcano on cheek (please keep in mind I have never had acne. Maybe that bat really did bite me watching fireworks?). I am not sure what it is, really. But I hate it. I will name it Obarfy. If it were closer to Christmas I'd hang an ornament on it and pretend it was a new piercing.

On the bright side my Hobbit foot is now not purple and I can wear one more pair of shoes but no sandals. I still limp like Festus in a very gazelle-like grace (actually you sound like the hunchback of Notre Dame with a clubfoot, CB, with a clomping sound with a twist of gallumping).

On the bummer side I really want to try that new swim move but no longer have a private pool to test. I was fixin' to find a lap pool but don't want to startle the poor public immediately swimming the lateral move the length of the pool...but, wow, it looks cool and I am a good swimmer. So it is a sadz time for me. I also miss my olde car. This future pool "must" have UV lights, too, to kill bacteria. This has me a little Sheldonized and icky, too. ack.

On the bright side I do like it here (I keep repeating this mantra). Beautiful home. Coming along. Yada.

Tomorrow perhaps dear Ace will have a snark on someone like Hillz and I can clear my skin via cathartic laughter. Zits! What is next? Maybe boobs will suddenly perk and waist will shrink again! Hope springs eternal.

I just hope it is not that Joni Mitchell disease and fibers come out of mystery zit (keeping in mind I have never, ever, had zits on my cheek so this is freaky). Spider bite? Alien biopsy? I am soon going to have to walk around with a hijab thing to hide complexion as it is a big ole red bullseye right smack on cheek and is going to leave a spot and yes I am whining and mad. Please forgive me dear diary and I hope to be "normal" again soonish. Hangs zit in shame. Woe is me.

Tomorrow will be a better day. Live. Love. Wine. Happy trails. Thank you, Maet, Morons and 'ettes for the tiny crumb of sanity I have left. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen, Aging supermodel apparently gets acne when she moves cross-country at July 10, 2015 02:10 AM (5br9Q)

473 curse like a sailor, drink like a mick>>>

Luckily for me at work cursing isn't genetic when we are sober.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 02:11 AM (1SHv1)

474 You want to conflate IVF for a welfare queen with seat belts to prevent injuries? That's not even apples to oranges, that's baseball to Candyland.

You're talking about whether an elective procedure that has nothing to do with quality of life should be paid for (answer: no), and whether a behavior that is demonstrably shown to prevent injury and death should be encouraged by a physician (answer:yes--it's a moral imperative, not some damn law that makes me care). I'm not handing over my H&Ps to the highway patrol to cite patients for not wearing seat belts, you know.

The current socialized medicine system is completely f*cked up, I live it every day. But while you will find physicians who agree that it's stupid that a box needs to be checked about seat belts, you'll be hard pressed to find one, especially one in emergency or trauma medicine, who doesn't believe they should be worn as a general principle.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:40 AM (b2cFu)

Candyland has a baseball team?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 10, 2015 02:11 AM (Z7G74)

475 oh, wow. Not sure How I duplicated myself. sorry. I would blush but it might cause zit eruption.

Back to scheduled morons...

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen, Aging supermodel apparently gets acne when she moves cross-country at July 10, 2015 02:12 AM (5br9Q)

476 >>>> They feel that his invention immediately becomes public property, basically ... because "I could have lived ...". It's ludicrous and insane.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015

It's human nature. Besides I hope you never need some life saving device

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 02:12 AM (xJGO2)

477 That being said--if Obamacare ever dies the death it richly deserves, it would be foolish to not have an HSA and or catastrophic insurance. But go ahead and play reverse roulette with your finances if you want--you probably won't need it, but if your number comes up you'll be hosed without it.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:03 AM (b2cFu)

****

I see no difference between what you are posting about Docs roles in patient's lives and preventative care by Govt. fiat. If I am wrong here, please advise as to where this may be the case.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 02:13 AM (QNcbF)

478 >> oh, wow. Not sure How I duplicated myself. sorry.

that is because you are 2x badass

eleventy!!

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 02:13 AM (JyIB3)

479 You were being facetious, with that one, right Mike?
Posted by: Chi
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A. I am not here, I have gone to bed.

B. Facetious about what I have heard people say about not wanting to wear a seatbelt?..., or my response to that?

I have certainly heard people say that, and they would even be correct about being 'thrown clear'...., in perhaps one case in 5,000.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 10, 2015 02:17 AM (9mTYi)

480

Candyland has a baseball team?
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 10, 2015 02:11 AM (Z7G74)

Candy land Strippers.

On that note.
Good nite Morons.

Let's be safe out three tonight

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 02:17 AM (xJGO2)

481 459 Did I say I supported mandatory insurance? No, so please stop arguing that I did. I said the AMA could have pushed for that and gotten a lot more support instead of losing most of their support from within medicine.

That being said--if Obamacare ever dies the death it richly deserves, it would be foolish to not have an HSA and or catastrophic insurance. But go ahead and play reverse roulette with your finances if you want--you probably won't need it, but if your number comes up you'll be hosed without it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:03 AM (b2cFu)

It would be foolish not to have catastrophic insurance, if such were truly available. And HSAs are a nice tool. But the current system is so rigged by price-fixing that such market-based reforms would probably make matters worse. Every time you see an "Explanation of Benefits" from your insurance company, with "Procedure -- at standard rate $XXX, rate on this plan $YYY, patient copay $ZZZ, insurable amount $AAA, patient deductible $BBB, insurance pays $CCC, patient pays $DDD", remember that every amount on there except what the patient pays is likely a constructed amount or an outright lie.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 02:17 AM (EzgxV)

482 Bearing Arms reports that trap shooting is the fastest-growing high school sport haha

Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 02:19 AM (YJeFl)

483 Let's be safe out three tonight>>>

If I drank too much and have hardwood floors in my bedroom. Do I need a bedbelt and a helmet?

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 02:20 AM (1SHv1)

484 I have to say that whether it's the Docs business or not, I have no
problem whatsoever with an ER doc taking fifteen seconds out of his
consult to say "wear a seatbelt. You probably wouldn't be here if you
did."

About 3 years ago I drove myself to the V.A. ER while having a heart attack. I remember a male nurse standing over me when they got me stable asking "Do you smoke? You won't be doin that shit anymore" all looking like he just busted his ass, half pissed doing something. Flat out saved my potatoes they did, and I'll never forget it. Finest and most respectful doctors and nurses I have ever seen or met anytime in my life.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 02:20 AM (ahBY0)

485 It's human nature. Besides I hope you never need some life saving device

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 10, 2015 02:12 AM (xJGO2)

If it's a procedure that I can't afford and my insurance won't cover then ... tough for me. But I do not have any right to any and all procedures or drugs that might save me, regardless of cost or ability to pay.

Just because someone invents a drug that can cure something doesn't mean that everyone who has that illness is entitled to that drug. Do you disagree with this?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 02:22 AM (MYSVz)

486 "If I drank too much and have hardwood floors in my bedroom. Do I need a bedbelt and a helmet?

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 02:20 AM (1SHv1)

Don't forget the set altimeter deploy on the Chute to 2.5 Feet. Just to be safe.
Who goes to bed without at least one safety Chute?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 02:23 AM (VRYpT)

487 I meant "thrown clear" Always from motorcycle crashes.

Not arguing at all, but-
Ive seen the results of guys getting run over & lying beside their bike.
Or, I can introduce you to my brother. Wrecked his bike @ 100mph+ (six witnesses), but they had to pick the bike up off of one of his broken legs. He definitely wasn't "thrown clear."
That Honda ended up a good 16" shorter than when he got on it that night.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:23 AM (1o3yd)

488 Maet, you and others can disagree if you wish, but it is a core ethical principle of medicine to not only treat illness and injury but to also try to prevent it--think vaccines.

I get not wanting intrusive questions to be asked of you. I don't particularly like asking patients about their sexual histories, but I do it for cases where it's relevant (and only then) because I need that info to help guide testing and treatment. I don't ask about guns unless I have a mentally unstable patient. I don't ask about seat belts unless they were in a car wreck.

But, I am an ED doctor, and my patient population and my practice patterns are different from what a family doctor does. If you see a doctor as just a mercenary for hire, like some here seem to, then keep shopping around. If you see a doctor as someone to have a relationship with to help you with your health, then you should be able to talk over what you will and won't answer and they very well may respect that.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:26 AM (b2cFu)

489 any upper midwest peeps here?

MN,MI or MI for the best summer lake places to go?

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 02:26 AM (JyIB3)

490 It is late and my zit is wearing me down...but as a retired nurse who worked in a very busy trauma center I am all for seat belts, air bags, and bike helmets. And if you ride a motorcycle please wear a helmet and leather clothes and boots. Please. The wind in your hair will be quickly forgotten when your scalp is smeared behind you along with the rest of your skin.

G'night and stay safe, morons.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen, Aging supermodel apparently gets acne when she moves cross-country at July 10, 2015 02:27 AM (5br9Q)

491 fuck

redo
MN, WI, or MI for the best summer lake places to go?

Posted by: moron #73 at July 10, 2015 02:28 AM (JyIB3)

492 Posted by: MAx at July 10, 2015 02:09 AM (YJeFl)

*eyeroll*

Passive aggressive dickwad

Posted by: Buzzion at July 10, 2015 02:28 AM (B+J99)

493 I don't ask about seat belts unless they were in a car wreck.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:26 AM (b2cFu)

If they were already in a car wreck then what's the point of that? Better you should ask them if they hit the windshield or wheel or something specific about the accident, not whether they wear seat belts.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 02:30 AM (MYSVz)

494 Passive aggressive dickwad

Posted by: Buzzion
------------------------------
You sure you tagged the right commenter on that one?
(I didn't see anything out of sorts)

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:32 AM (1o3yd)

495 Had a couple of buddys that crashed a 1969 hot rod Nova into a bridge abutment at over a 100mph. Both had their seat belts on. Both dead on impact.Seeing the traces of them in the wrecked car scared the crap out of me. The only thing thrown from the car was the motor a 100 yards I was told. When you are doing a 100 and crash into immovable objects most safety gear is useless.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 02:32 AM (1SHv1)

496

... "thrown clear" Always from motorcycle crashes.

I'm aware of a case of a couple of guys being thrown from a motorcycle ... specifically, I read the police report.

They were both on the same bike, passing cars on a 2-lane backwoods paved road, in the early morning hours.

The driver tried one time too many; Pickup #6 in the string made a left. The bike essentially stopped, the driver and passenger went over the hood of the truck, and rolled.

The passenger kept rolling, spraining all major and most minor muscles in his body. After 6 months of P.T. he was essentially healed.

The driver was not so lucky. He rolled until he hit is head on a traffic sign. His helmet was not enough. He passed, after 10 days in a coma.

Lesson: I don't ride motorcycles.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 10, 2015 02:33 AM (FlRtG)

497 It would be foolish not to have catastrophic insurance, if such were truly available. And HSAs are a nice tool. But the current system is so rigged by price-fixing that such market-based reforms would probably make matters worse. Every time you see an "Explanation of Benefits" from your insurance company, with "Procedure -- at standard rate $XXX, rate on this plan $YYY, patient copay $ZZZ, insurable amount $AAA, patient deductible $BBB, insurance pays $CCC, patient pays $DDD", remember that every amount on there except what the patient pays is likely a constructed amount or an outright lie.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 02:17 AM (EzgxV)

When I worked in sports, the teams in the league were self insured for worker's comp insurance. We would receive the bills from the doctor or hospital, shit our pants, pass it along to our "insurance company", which was nothing more than a repricing company, and then they would send us the "updated" bill. Usually that bill was about a 1/4 of the original bill.

The self insurance made us work out deals in advance with doctors around town for services and those cut our bills even more. When you go to a doctor and tell them that you will give them $X up front in exchange for services, some of them will jump at it if they think you will only actually use $1/2X of services.

At another company I worked at, we almost went the self insurance route, and in doing so, we saw the claims history for the company for the previous 3 years. 80% of our insurance claims were the result of 10% of our employees.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 10, 2015 02:33 AM (Z7G74)

498 If I drank too much and have hardwood floors in my bedroom. Do I need a bedbelt and a helmet?

Well that depends. If you don't mind going face first into hardwood, then the precautions aren't necessary. But if you think you might panic in a fall, grab a handful of curtains and rip them out of the wall, get the helmet and protect yourself.

Posted by: Methos at July 10, 2015 02:34 AM (ZbV+0)

499 CCrank, don't take my questions personally. I don't think you are, but just in case. I have this debate with doctor friends all the time - one in particular. Of course, he's a hah-vahd socialist who thinks that people are the property of the government to be manipulated and used "for the greater good" ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 02:35 AM (MYSVz)

500 "Kristophr--and how will EMS or the ED doctor know if
that patient has insurance during those hectic first few minutes where
treatment means life or death?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 01:31 AM (b2cFu)"

By scanning the mandatory RFID implant, of course.

Posted by: Obnoxionu A-Hole at July 10, 2015 02:35 AM (QHgTq)

501 485 >> Just because someone invents a drug that can cure something doesn't mean
that everyone who has that illness is entitled to that drug.

TPOP. just such a problem exists right now. It's the cure for Hep C, and it costs about $100k per patient for the drug alone. And there are ~10 million Hep C carriers iirc. So it's a $100 billion tab for just that one disease.

So Medicare/aide has to restrict who can get it because they can't afford the tab to make available to all who could benefit.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 02:37 AM (Y74qL)

502 Posted by: Methos at July 10, 2015 02:34 AM (ZbV+0)>>>

That was a hell of an inventive answer to my question. Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 02:37 AM (1SHv1)

503 Goodnight Mrs.Calabash wherever you are.

Posted by: dartist at July 10, 2015 02:38 AM (ahBY0)

504 488 Maet, you and others can disagree if you wish, but it is a core ethical principle of medicine to not only treat illness and injury but to also try to prevent it--think vaccines.

I get not wanting intrusive questions to be asked of you. I don't particularly like asking patients about their sexual histories, but I do it for cases where it's relevant (and only then) because I need that info to help guide testing and treatment. I don't ask about guns unless I have a mentally unstable patient. I don't ask about seat belts unless they were in a car wreck.

But, I am an ED doctor, and my patient population and my practice patterns are different from what a family doctor does. If you see a doctor as just a mercenary for hire, like some here seem to, then keep shopping around. If you see a doctor as someone to have a relationship with to help you with your health, then you should be able to talk over what you will and won't answer and they very well may respect that.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:26 AM (b2cFu)

The question is one of focus.

If I were in a doctor's office being treated for a sprained ankle, I'd highly resent any discussion of vaccines. If I were in an ER being treated for a heart attack, I'd highly resent any discussion of vaccines. If I were contemplating a visit to Eritrea, I'd welcome a discussion of vaccines.

If I were in an ER being treated for injuries from a car wreck, I'd resent the hell out of questions about seat belts (unless related to analysis and treatment of specific injuries) -- information regarding seat belts has been out there for decades, and I've got injuries to deal with. If I were having my annual physical and was asked about seat belts, I'd be pissed. If I were in Driver's Ed and you gave a talk about seat belts, it'd be valued more than the usual 1960s-era movies.

You have a limited number of work-hours in a day. To spend one millisecond of them in billing-related PC-mandated medically-unnecessary nonsense is a damned shame.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 02:43 AM (EzgxV)

505 488 Maet, you and others can disagree if you wish, but it is a core ethical principle of medicine to not only treat illness and injury but to also try to prevent it--think vaccines.

I get not wanting intrusive questions to be asked of you. I don't particularly like asking patients about their sexual histories, but I do it for cases where it's relevant (and only then) because I need that info to help guide testing and treatment. I don't ask about guns unless I have a mentally unstable patient. I don't ask about seat belts unless they were in a car wreck.

But, I am an ED doctor, and my patient population and my practice patterns are different from what a family doctor does. If you see a doctor as just a mercenary for hire, like some here seem to, then keep shopping around. If you see a doctor as someone to have a relationship with to help you with your health, then you should be able to talk over what you will and won't answer and they very well may respect that.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:26 AM (b2cFu)

I've got no problem with doctors asking weird questions, especially ER doctors.

My MIL and FIL usually have 1-2 ER trips a year, and the Mrs always wonders why they ask questions about if the patients have running water or use an outhouse. As a city dweller her whole life, she didn't get that there are people around her that don't have indoor plumbing in 2015. Then a coworker told her about her parents that don't have running water and bring water in from a pump out in the yard.

My doc asks me if I use tobacco, drink, wear a seatbelt, screw whores, and other things. Why? Because he wants me to be healthy, and he would prefer that I just come in once a year so that he can shove a couple of fingers up my ass.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 10, 2015 02:45 AM (Z7G74)

506 501 con't And transplants -- Say you paid the donor's family a nominal $25k; that's just the cost of one year's worth of anti-rejection drugs, which must be taken for life.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 02:45 AM (Y74qL)

507 *Sigh*

The use of seatbelts predicts very specific injuries related to the seatbelts themselves--certain spinal fractures, injuries to the intestines. It also lets me know if the patient was more likely to be bouncing around the passenger compartment like a .22 in a mob hit victim's skull, which can lead to a much wider range of injuries that are generally more severe as well.

That's why asking about seat belt use after an accident matters.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:45 AM (b2cFu)

508 494 Passive aggressive dickwad

Posted by: Buzzion
------------------------------
You sure you tagged the right commenter on that one?
(I didn't see anything out of sorts)

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:32 AM (1o3yd)

It's been over the course of days. I even had said something a few days back.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 02:46 AM (EzgxV)

509 Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 02:37 AM (Y74qL)

Yeah, that happens all the time. What used to be great about our health care/insurance industry was that as the richer people paid for the new procedure or drug it tended to come down in price as it matured and then, it was eventually available to most people with normal insurance or middling amounts of money. And people accepted that. There were lots of procedures available that they could not have and they would die without. But, now, as more and more people go on government "insurance" the market forces that used to work to bring these new inventions to the wider populace are being perverted.

If government had been running most of the insurance (and hence, care) for a long time heart transplants would probably still be too expensive for anyone to get but the richest. But, because of how the mostly private industry worked and people were able to pay a lot in the beginning for the procedures, they got more regular, more people got trained in it, the cost came down, effectiveness went up ... But that only comes at the expense of lots of people not having access for some time until things mature. Sometimes costs just stay high, and that's just life. Some things are just expensive.

But if we had to depend on government fiat to handle and manage everything then, heart transplants would still be something that a precious few doctors did and was out of the reach of almost everyone. Of course, we wouldn't know any better and would probably think that it was coming along okay ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 02:48 AM (MYSVz)

510 An answer Crank hears probably far too often: " I fell on it"

Posted by: Buzzion at July 10, 2015 02:49 AM (B+J99)

511 Heh. With the talk of cavemen & hot cavegirls earlier, Comedy Channel decided to air Year One.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:49 AM (1o3yd)

512 "384
If I still had a Motorcycle I'd wear a helmet. But fuck you if you think I'll wear one to ride my bicycle.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 01:31 AM (1SHv1)"

I was wearing a bicycle helmet when some asshole was walking his dog off the leash and the dog ran directly in front of my bike so that I hit the dog and went over the handle bars. My left hand still pains me sometimes years later. I assume that the bike helmet is what allows me to still entertain you with my witty posting instead of sitting in a state hospital drooling on my chest.

Posted by: Obnoxionu A-Hole at July 10, 2015 02:50 AM (QHgTq)

513 If you see a doctor as just a mercenary for hire, like some here seem
to, then keep shopping around. If you see a doctor as someone to have a
relationship with to help you with your health, then you should be able
to talk over what you will and won't answer and they very well may
respect that.
>>>

Same can be said for a car mechanic. Difference is with insurance I may not be able to chose a different one. You being an ED doc I wont get much of a choice by no fault of yours. But I really want to limit my visits to ED docs as much as they don't want to see me.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 02:50 AM (1SHv1)

514

For those "not wanting intrusive questions to be asked", it might be that switching to a cash-based relationship with your physician is the way to achieve this ... circumstances permitting, of course. My circumstance permit.

Mine asks no such questions, although, being a 4th-year student of Google U, specializing in nearly everything, it might be because I manage to ask a few really tough questions during my yearly 15-minute checkups. I also use my strong personality.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 10, 2015 02:52 AM (FlRtG)

515 507 *Sigh*

The use of seatbelts predicts very specific injuries related to the seatbelts themselves--certain spinal fractures, injuries to the intestines. It also lets me know if the patient was more likely to be bouncing around the passenger compartment like a .22 in a mob hit victim's skull, which can lead to a much wider range of injuries that are generally more severe as well.

That's why asking about seat belt use after an accident matters.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:45 AM (b2cFu)

Well, there you go. Why did you say, "Cooth, I think what actually ends up in the records is "Patient counseled on use of seat belts." I don't know if the patient's answer to the question is part of the record or not, it may depend on the doc, but the counseling is what needs to be documented for billing reasons."?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 02:53 AM (EzgxV)

516 Cooth,
I must've missed something. Maybe I wasn't here?
Ive been trying to ignore as much of the heated shit & drama as much as I can lately.

And, FWIW, I think crank was trying to make it clear that it's an ethical thing as much as anything else for him - not any timewasting mandate.
That whole hippopotamus oath thing...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:54 AM (1o3yd)

517
Hammer's gone to bed, but he asked me to post this. Head-on with a pulpwood truck. He used to do accident investigation/reconstruction, so he can tell you about some nasty shit. Anyhow: http://tinyurl.com/oa77cn7

Ask him about the brains in the backseat of a Mercedes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer's cat at July 10, 2015 02:56 AM (9mTYi)

518 516 >> That whole hippopotamus oath thing...

Ah yes, the elephantitis in the room.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 02:57 AM (Y74qL)

519 Ask him about the brains in the backseat of a Mercedes
------------------------------
Did you call The Wolf?

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:58 AM (1o3yd)

520 516 Cooth,
I must've missed something. Maybe I wasn't here?
Ive been trying to ignore as much of the heated shit & drama as much as I can lately.

And, FWIW, I think crank was trying to make it clear that it's an ethical thing as much as anything else for him - not any timewasting mandate.
That whole hippopotamus oath thing...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 02:54 AM (1o3yd)

That's what I was trying to tell you -- Buzzion was reacting to the last week of ~~DAve~~ MAx.....which has been pretty damned trollish.....rather than just tonight's ONT version. In the context of this week, his comment was completely understandable.

And you don't have to tell me that CC is a good guy. And if he were to start saying, "I'll tell NOBODY about the advantages of wearing seatbelts," would shock me to the core. But I think his profession is getting a bunch of expansionist BS since the government moved in, and is in grave danger of losing what professionalism it has had in favor of being government functionaries.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:01 AM (EzgxV)

521 That's why asking about seat belt use after an accident matters.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:45 AM (b2cFu)

"Were you wearing a seatbelt?" and "Do you wear seat belts?" are two totally different questions.

i would guess that you don't ask about "seat belt use" but you ask if the person was wearing a seat belt for that one, particular instance. I guess you would also be asking if the seat belt broke .. since that would be kinda important.

Still, questions about whether they remember hitting anything like the windshield or steering wheel seem more relevant.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 03:02 AM (MYSVz)

522 521 That's why asking about seat belt use after an accident matters.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 02:45 AM (b2cFu)

"Were you wearing a seatbelt?" and "Do you wear seat belts?" are two totally different questions.

i would guess that you don't ask about "seat belt use" but you ask if the person was wearing a seat belt for that one, particular instance. I guess you would also be asking if the seat belt broke .. since that would be kinda important.

Still, questions about whether they remember hitting anything like the windshield or steering wheel seem more relevant.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 03:02 AM (MYSVz)

Especially for the non-driver. You can be totally religious about wearing a seatbelt, but take one off temporarily at speed to get something out of the back seat or clean-up an infant.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:05 AM (EzgxV)

523 Sounds like the NYT is hinting that Cruz's book's sales position is due to bogus sales, deep discounts or some other kind of goosing. I have no idea if that's true or not ofc. (Maybe it's been boosted by being put on evangelical book club lists or something?)

Posted by: anonymous irishman at July 10, 2015 03:05 AM (DJgfL)

524 I wonder what a doc does with an unconscious patient?

And no I don't mean Bill Cosby.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 03:08 AM (1SHv1)

525 Still, questions about whether they remember hitting anything like the windshield or steering wheel seem more relevant.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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Totally useless question. It's common knowledge that there are three impacts the average crash:
Your car hitting the object
Your body hitting the steering wheel
(Or head hitting the windshield)
Your internal organs hitting your ribcage
(Or brain hitting skull)

And cooth - I know you love CC. I just don't like seeing these guys arguing moot points with him. And he certainly doesn't need me to fight his battles for sure.
He ain't here enough - I don't want idiots chasing him off, if even for one night because he's frustrated saying the same thing four times...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:09 AM (1o3yd)

526 Especially for the non-driver. You can be totally religious about wearing a seatbelt, but take one off temporarily at speed to get something out of the back seat or clean-up an infant.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:05 AM (EzgxV)

Yep.

Also, someone can wear seat belts but carry around loose boxes of knives or tools in their car at the same time. I wonder if we'll start being asked about items we drive with that aren't tied down? It's a health issue that can easily negate all the seat belt wearing in the world ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 03:10 AM (MYSVz)

527 Ayn Rand? Feels like we're moving closer to a strange mixture of Huxley and Orwell.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread

Its a little Rand, bit of Huxley, and a smattering of Orwell. It equals to totally fucked.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 10, 2015 03:11 AM (AW46C)

528
C. Crank:

Seeing as I'm a 4th-year Google U student and expert on almost everything, let me potentially add to your medical diagnostic dictionary (but I expect you know this already):

There are a lot of people who still drive with their hands at the 10- and 2-o'clock positions on the steering wheel.

With the advent of airbags, this is a bad choice.

A deploying (actually, live demonstrations suggest "exploding": is a better term) steering wheel airbag will force the driver's forearms back, with all sorts of potential minor-and-above injury potential.

I think broken bones are unlikely, except in rather elderly women, but the potential for severe bruising and trauma is there, maybe blood clots, as well as a wrist striking a metal part of the car or maybe the driver's face. These injuries might show up later and complicate things.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 10, 2015 03:15 AM (FlRtG)

529 Oh crap 2am creeped up on me. Good night all.

Posted by: Robinson at July 10, 2015 03:16 AM (1SHv1)

530 525 Still, questions about whether they remember hitting anything like the windshield or steering wheel seem more relevant.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
------------------------------
Totally useless question. It's common knowledge that there are three impacts the average crash:
Your car hitting the object
Your body hitting the steering wheel
(Or head hitting the windshield)
Your internal organs hitting your ribcage
(Or brain hitting skull)

And cooth - I know you love CC. I just don't like seeing these guys arguing moot points with him. And he certainly doesn't need me to fight his battles for sure.
He ain't here enough - I don't want idiots chasing him off, if even for one night because he's frustrated saying the same thing four times...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:09 AM (1o3yd)

Totally agreed that we don't get enough Crank. And I'd simplify those impacts: Car hits thing; body hits car; soft bits hit solid bits in body.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:16 AM (EzgxV)

531 POP, to me it seems you're being kind of dickish about this matter at this point, but that also may be my irritation in general and with my live current patient population, so I won't pursue you further on that point for now. The risks of injury due to use/non-use of seatbelts are inherent to being in a vehicle, period. The risks of flying lethal objects inside the car are not inherent to driving in general but are specific to whatever someone has in the car at that given moment.

Cooth, I think we're talking about 2 different seatbelt questions simultaneously. In the ED, I care about if you had one on for injury patterns. The PCP is the one asking about habitual use for box-checking for reimbursement.

Full disclosure--if a patient in a car crash wasn't wearing a seatbelt, I do tell them to wear one in the future.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 03:17 AM (b2cFu)

532 531 POP, to me it seems you're being kind of dickish about this matter at this point,

Not at all. It's just a run-of-the-mill debate. nothing heated about any of it.

but that also may be my irritation in general and with my live current patient population, so I won't pursue you further on that point for now.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 03:17 AM (b2cFu)

Okey doke.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 03:23 AM (MYSVz)

533 523 Sounds like the NYT is hinting that Cruz's book's sales position is due to bogus sales, deep discounts or some other kind of goosing. I have no idea if that's true or not ofc. (Maybe it's been boosted by being put on evangelical book club lists or something?)
Posted by: anonymous irishman at July 10, 2015 03:05 AM (DJgfL)

Sounds like they are accusing Cruz of going all "Jim Wright" on his book.

Getting lobbyists and supporters to buy his book by the case so that he gets more scrilla.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 10, 2015 03:24 AM (Z7G74)

534
Damn I need to disable the idiotic touch-pad on this laptop. Just lost a comment. Will just do a brief summary replacement, then bed time.

Had a physical two years ago (just before O-care commenced, but that was just coincidence). Older doc I'd seen for return-from-overseas physical was unavailable, so had another doc, a young guy, probably only in his first few years of practice.

We sparred over the sensible interval for a physical for me, given my age and perfect health and lack of medical history or conditions. This left me unimpressed, to say the least, as I think he was off on his science/info.

So he tries to win the point by changing his angle, chirping that now, through "insurance", annual physicals "will be free!".

WTF? Right, "free". In my case, the "free" physical, covered by the new closest-equivalent PPO private plan under the new order, would cost me about $6,500 (the annual cost difference in the PPO plan, pre- and post-O-care). If I could affort any such insurance at all, which I couldn't, and can't.

Needless to say my confidence in this kid is very low, and I'll never see him again. But it was another depressing, jaw-dropping example of how seemingly most people in this country now no longer have the slightest understanding of anything important, even when it is directly related to their profession.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2015 03:28 AM (QDnY+)

535 Sounds like they are accusing Cruz of going all "Jim Wright" on his book.

Getting lobbyists and supporters to buy his book by the case so that he gets more scrilla.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 10, 2015 03:24 AM (Z7G74)

***

Sure, why not? Because totes sure nobody bought Canquelles book with the 14 million advance, read bribe for access, in bulk.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 03:28 AM (mG3Qj)

536 531 POP, to me it seems you're being kind of dickish about this matter at this point, but that also may be my irritation in general and with my live current patient population, so I won't pursue you further on that point for now. The risks of injury due to use/non-use of seatbelts are inherent to being in a vehicle, period. The risks of flying lethal objects inside the car are not inherent to driving in general but are specific to whatever someone has in the car at that given moment.

Cooth, I think we're talking about 2 different seatbelt questions simultaneously. In the ED, I care about if you had one on for injury patterns. The PCP is the one asking about habitual use for box-checking for reimbursement.

Full disclosure--if a patient in a car crash wasn't wearing a seatbelt, I do tell them to wear one in the future.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 03:17 AM (b2cFu)

I should also note that I came in late to this party and have not yet merged the streams. I have no problem with injury patterns or telling someone in a car crash they should wear them in future.....but don't believe a PCP should be acting like a DMV clerk.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:30 AM (EzgxV)

537 Cooth ,
What's the skinny on this?
Tom Selleck is stealing water for his avocado ranch? What?
I just caught the tail end of a bit on RedEye, so I missed the meat of their story.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:30 AM (n1zte)

538 Well, I just hit @126 and understand quite a bit more.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:35 AM (EzgxV)

539 Ken Stabler, aged 69, is dead from complications of colon cancer.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:38 AM (Y74qL)

540 537 Cooth ,
What's the skinny on this?
Tom Selleck is stealing water for his avocado ranch? What?
I just caught the tail end of a bit on RedEye, so I missed the meat of their story.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:30 AM (n1zte)

Sorry, haven't been keeping up with that story. I can say that I drove up to the Sacramento area and back today, and there's a lot of dry stuff you might not expect to be dry and wet stuff you might not expect to be wet along the way.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:39 AM (EzgxV)

541 Night all.

Here is "Black Blade" by Blue #214;yster Cult:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krC6SY5b1A

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 10, 2015 03:39 AM (/YkzI)

542 539 Ken Stabler, aged 69, is dead from complications of colon cancer.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:38 AM (Y74qL)

I heard that and was going to extend my sympathy to SMFH if I saw her.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:40 AM (EzgxV)

543 539
Yeah, that's pretty sad news.

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at July 10, 2015 03:40 AM (n1zte)

544 I heard that and was going to extend my sympathy to SMFH if I saw her.

Posted by: cthulhu
------------------------------
Last I talked to her, she was still watching old clips of him on YouTube.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:43 AM (n1zte)

545 Two stories from the New Orleans Tmes-Picayune:

1. Murders reach 100, 55 days earlier than last year.

2. New Orleans mayor Mitch Landrieu (yes, Mary Landrieu's brother) has filed a public nuisance lawsuit to get 4 Confederate statues taken down in the city.

mmmhmmm

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:44 AM (Y74qL)

546 544 I heard that and was going to extend my sympathy to SMFH if I saw her.

Posted by: cthulhu
------------------------------
Last I talked to her, she was still watching old clips of him on YouTube.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:43 AM (n1zte)

Had she heard, or was it Thursday?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:45 AM (EzgxV)

547 Sorry, haven't been keeping up with that story. I can say that I drove up to the Sacramento area and back today, and there's a lot of dry stuff you might not expect to be dry and wet stuff you might not expect to be wet along the way.

Posted by: cthulhu
------------------------------
I just figured it was Cali & drought related - you might know.

And I just noticed my "Nietzsche" hash - Joffen would get a kick out of that.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:46 AM (n1zte)

548 It was just a few hours ago that the news broke.
8pm ish?

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:48 AM (n1zte)

549 And then there is this:

An Iranian businessman accused by the U.S. government of violating sanctions on Iran donated money to the Clinton Foundation, The Daily Beast has confirmed.

Bless her heart.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:49 AM (Y74qL)

550 Wasn't he the one that was alternatively called "The Snake" and "The Rattler"? And probably the one who beat my beloved Iggles in SB XV?

Can't say I was a fan, but sad to hear his passing.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 03:50 AM (b2cFu)

551 548 It was just a few hours ago that the news broke.
8pm ish?

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:48 AM (n1zte)

Dunno.....I was on the road.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:51 AM (EzgxV)

552 Tom Selleck is stealing water for his avocado ranch? What?
I just caught the tail end of a bit on RedEye, so I missed the meat of their story.
Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:30 AM (n1zte)

Okay, now I've got a question.

How does one "ranch" and avocado? Do they need to be rounded up and penned, or do they do okay on the free range?

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 10, 2015 03:52 AM (+YMhA)

553 550 Wasn't he the one that was alternatively called "The Snake" and "The Rattler"? And probably the one who beat my beloved Iggles in SB XV?

Can't say I was a fan, but sad to hear his passing.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 03:50 AM (b2cFu)

The bulletin I heard said he was "The Snake".

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:52 AM (EzgxV)

554 Bless her heart.
Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:49 AM (Y74qL)

In her case, it's more like her pointed little head.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 10, 2015 03:53 AM (+YMhA)

555 550 >> Wasn't he the one that was alternatively called "The Snake" and "The Rattler"?

I can confirm he was called The Snake. Dunno about the other ?s.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:53 AM (Y74qL)

556 552 Tom Selleck is stealing water for his avocado ranch? What?
I just caught the tail end of a bit on RedEye, so I missed the meat of their story.
Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:30 AM (n1zte)

Okay, now I've got a question.

How does one "ranch" and avocado? Do they need to be rounded up and penned, or do they do okay on the free range?

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 10, 2015 03:52 AM (+YMhA)

All the original Spanish land grants in California were "Ranchos" -- so all farms ended up being called a "ranch".

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:54 AM (EzgxV)

557 Yes... he was "The Snake", but it was Jim Plunkett what beat your Iggles in S.B. XV.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 10, 2015 03:55 AM (OQ9R7)

558 552 >> ...or do they do okay on the free range?

Well, the Oklahoma land crabs went extinct and they were free range, so...

The Selleck matter really pisses me off. The dude is rich, and could easily have set up his very own reverse osmosis unit and hauled seawater to it.

But no, he had to go steal fresh water.

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:58 AM (Y74qL)

559 All the original Spanish land grants in California were "Ranchos" -- so all farms ended up being called a "ranch".
Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:54 AM (EzgxV)

And here I had an image of some rough men on pinto ponies cracking whips and rounding 'em up to drive 'em to slaughter.

Way to burst that bucolic scene.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 10, 2015 03:58 AM (+YMhA)

560 Hah!, tcn.
good point. I used that terminology, simply because that's what came up when I Bingled "Tom Selleck water"

I guess it's more of a farm...

And yeah, Stabler was "The Snake."

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:58 AM (+Am/9)

561 But no, he had to go steal fresh water.
Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:58 AM (Y74qL)

Was it him or his "people?"

Would like to know the whole story.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 10, 2015 03:59 AM (+YMhA)

562 Hey Slap! Are you just appearing now or did I miss your hash earlier?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 03:59 AM (b2cFu)

563 >>>What's the skinny on this?

Tom Selleck is stealing water for his avocado ranch? What?

I just caught the tail end of a bit on RedEye, so I missed the meat of their story.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 03:30 AM (n1zte)<<<

Sounds like he was getting a water truck to do fill ups at a fire hydrant, in order to skirt the water rationing regs, so he could use it at his ranch/avocado farm.

Posted by: Tom Selleck's criminal mastermind moustache at July 10, 2015 04:00 AM (ZJIbk)

564 Would like to know the whole story.

Sentence first, Verdict later!!!!!

Posted by: Adriane the Legal Critic ... at July 10, 2015 04:00 AM (AowO1)

565 Just woke up. Haven't read anything but the content and the last few posts.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 10, 2015 04:01 AM (OQ9R7)

566 Sounds like he was getting a water truck to do fill ups at a fire hydrant, in order to skirt the water rationing regs, so he could use it at his ranch/avocado farm.
Posted by: Tom Selleck's criminal mastermind moustache at July 10, 2015 04:00 AM (ZJIbk)

From what I've heard workers from his ranch have been doing this for quite a while even before the recent water restrictions. The local city finally hired a private investigator to catch the tanker truck in the act and track it back to its owner.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 04:03 AM (wqVD1)

567 You didn't miss much, Slap.

Short discussion on hot cavewomen
Crank got cranked for being a doc
MisHum blamed the gas on the dog

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 04:04 AM (FHMq2)

568 >>>From what I've heard workers from his ranch have
been doing this for quite a while even before the recent water
restrictions. The local city finally hired a private investigator to
catch the tanker truck in the act and track it back to its owner.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 10, 2015 04:03 AM (wqVD1)<<<

I think they said the PI's used to investigate Magnum (oh, the irony) cost over $20K.

Posted by: Tom Selleck's criminal mastermind moustache at July 10, 2015 04:05 AM (ZJIbk)

569 Sounds like an ONT to me!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 10, 2015 04:05 AM (OQ9R7)

570 they said *on RedEye*... I should've added.

Posted by: Tom Selleck's criminal mastermind moustache at July 10, 2015 04:06 AM (ZJIbk)

571 Free Amm with Purchase of Lace Wig !!!

Posted by: Lace Wig Ammo Sales ... at July 10, 2015 04:06 AM (AowO1)

572 Sad to hear about The Snake.

What If Most of Our Crazy Times Is Really All Due to a Small Group of Activists?

It's been proven quite a few times.

don't give Progs a millimeter they want because they want.

Good morning Horde.

Posted by: skip at July 10, 2015 04:08 AM (D7n6r)

573 569

Pretty much. Business as usual.

How's tricks?

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 04:09 AM (N9CcE)

574 I love the Everything's a Problem blog! Who know potato salad is racist?

Posted by: biancaneve at July 10, 2015 04:13 AM (vP4/o)

575 I'm headed back to bed. Got six hours, but I can tell I need more.
Eyes are bleary. Just got up to check Fantasy Baseball team and look at
Maet's ONT. Good stuff.

I'm going to test out those pillows again. Maybe another two hours will tell me if they're up-to-snuff.

G'Night Ev'ry-Buddy!

*static*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 10, 2015 04:13 AM (OQ9R7)

576 Night Slap.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 04:16 AM (b2cFu)

577 And Chi and Cooth, appreciate all the kind words earlier. Drinks for each of you should we meet in meatspace.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 04:17 AM (b2cFu)

578 G'night, Slap.

Waiting for the melatonin/bourbon cocktail to kick in myself.

Side note - I watched The Express this evening. Y'all should check it out. The story of Ernie Davis, first black guy to win the Heisman. Damned good movie.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 04:17 AM (WtnIG)

579 So, CC, when do we get another glimpse of SoC? With all the trouble and strife in the world, we could probably use some happy.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 04:19 AM (EzgxV)

580 577 And Chi and Cooth, appreciate all the kind words earlier. Drinks for each of you should we meet in meatspace.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 04:17 AM (b2cFu)

......and, here, I was afraid that I'd probably pissed you off.

I appreciate all that you do, despite also recognizing that Darwin may often lead to the "best" outcome for the species or body politic. But I also fear for what the paymasters and regulators may force upon you.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 04:24 AM (EzgxV)

581 Another nice one by Wretchard -- http://pjmedia.com/richard fernandez/2015/07/09/god-help-us-all/

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 04:29 AM (EzgxV)

582 Crank,
Looking forward to the day I can sit down & enjoy a cold one with you.

Cooth,
I rec'd some pics of grand nephew Wyatt this week - he's crawling now, and already pulling himself up & standing on his own. Won't be long, he'll be running like Forrest Gump.

I just saw him a few weeks back, and he was showing off his skills at chewing/gumming my nose. Now, he'll be walking before I see him again.

Id post the pics, but it's such a pain to go through topic or drop box on this little phone...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 04:33 AM (+H5P+)

583 *tinypic

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 04:33 AM (o/Ar3)

584 582 Crank,
Looking forward to the day I can sit down & enjoy a cold one with you.

Cooth,
I rec'd some pics of grand nephew Wyatt this week - he's crawling now, and already pulling himself up & standing on his own. Won't be long, he'll be running like Forrest Gump.

I just saw him a few weeks back, and he was showing off his skills at chewing/gumming my nose. Now, he'll be walking before I see him again.

Id post the pics, but it's such a pain to go through topic or drop box on this little phone...

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 04:33 AM (+H5P+)

That and my current semi-compromised situation.....I'm not aware of any current breaches, but I know of several security holes.....and I'm still devising a comprehensive security strategy.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 04:47 AM (EzgxV)

585 Cooth, my irritation was mostly general--it's aggravating to be challenged on your expertise, and a few of the nastier comments seemed gratuitous. You were late to the party, and I did not take it from you that you were doubting me personally. I think once you backtracked the comments as well you understood better where my irritation was coming from.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 04:54 AM (b2cFu)

586 Cooth, my irritation was mostly general--it's aggravating to be challenged on your expertise, and a few of the nastier comments seemed gratuitous. You were late to the party, and I did not take it from you that you were doubting me personally. I think once you backtracked the comments as well you understood better where my irritation was coming from.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 04:54 AM (b2cFu)

****

You missed the point very early on, which had not one thing to do with anyone's expertise about anything. The point was that Docs have no business asking the questions they do in routine office visit situations.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 05:11 AM (QNcbF)

587 You missed the point very early on, which had not one thing to do with anyone's expertise about anything. The point was that Docs have no business asking the questions they do in routine office visit situations.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 05:11 AM (QNcbF)

Doctors think they are life coaches who are entitled to dictate life-living strategies to you about every little thing. They don't want to accept the fact that they are just fee-for-service technicians who are still living off of the respect that witch doctors used to get from the tribe but which they certainly don't deserve any longer. And now they think they are fooling all of us by claiming that everything that might hurt you is a "medical issue" that they should have control over. I mean, they friggin ask if you wear seat belts!! Seat belts - as a "health issue"!! Fukcing douchebags.

I'd really like to run into one of these pricks in a dark alley ... I'd show them what seat belts are best used for ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:05 AM (MYSVz)

Would you prefer "res ipsa locquitor" or "FYNQ" as the rest of the rejoinder? Because I don't need YOU to tell ME that it wasn't an attack.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 05:14 AM (b2cFu)

588 I've driven a few hundred miles today and probably will abruptly crash -- just FYI if anyone cares.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 05:15 AM (EzgxV)

589 587 You missed the point very early on, which had not one thing to do with anyone's expertise about anything. The point was that Docs have no business asking the questions they do in routine office visit situations.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 05:11 AM (QNcbF)

Doctors think they are life coaches who are entitled to dictate life-living strategies to you about every little thing. They don't want to accept the fact that they are just fee-for-service technicians who are still living off of the respect that witch doctors used to get from the tribe but which they certainly don't deserve any longer. And now they think they are fooling all of us by claiming that everything that might hurt you is a "medical issue" that they should have control over. I mean, they friggin ask if you wear seat belts!! Seat belts - as a "health issue"!! Fukcing douchebags.

I'd really like to run into one of these pricks in a dark alley ... I'd show them what seat belts are best used for ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:05 AM (MYSVz)

Would you prefer "res ipsa locquitor" or "FYNQ" as the rest of the rejoinder? Because I don't need YOU to tell ME that it wasn't an attack.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 05:14 AM (b2cFu) 587 You missed the point very early on, which had not one thing to do with anyone's expertise about anything. The point was that Docs have no business asking the questions they do in routine office visit situations.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 10, 2015 05:11 AM (QNcbF)

Doctors think they are life coaches who are entitled to dictate life-living strategies to you about every little thing. They don't want to accept the fact that they are just fee-for-service technicians who are still living off of the respect that witch doctors used to get from the tribe but which they certainly don't deserve any longer. And now they think they are fooling all of us by claiming that everything that might hurt you is a "medical issue" that they should have control over. I mean, they friggin ask if you wear seat belts!! Seat belts - as a "health issue"!! Fukcing douchebags.

I'd really like to run into one of these pricks in a dark alley ... I'd show them what seat belts are best used for ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 12:05 AM (MYSVz)

Would you prefer "res ipsa locquitor" or "FYNQ" as the rest of the rejoinder? Because I don't need YOU to tell ME that it wasn't an attack.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 05:14 AM (b2cFu)

538 Well, I just hit @126 and understand quite a bit more.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 03:35 AM (EzgxV)

Posted by: cthulhu at July 10, 2015 05:18 AM (EzgxV)

590 Barrel--or not, it's late and I like you.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 05:20 AM (b2cFu)

591 Would you prefer "res ipsa locquitor" or "FYNQ" as the rest of the rejoinder? Because I don't need YOU to tell ME that it wasn't an attack.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 05:14 AM (b2cFu)

You said that you weren't going to address me anymore about this and I agreed to that. But, as with the rest of this discussion, you kept jumping in and then got all bent out of shape that your arguments were torn apart. You do understand that posting a comment of mine and then crying about it is addressing me on this issue, right? Or is that sort of debate part of your expertise that no one is to question?

What I wrote above I stand by. And what was that an attack on? You? Hardly. You weren't even around. You only jumped in later. I guess the alley joke was just beyond the pale in your book.

You feel all butt-hurt that I don't like doctors thinking that their expertise includes seat belts and guns and every little thing that one runs into? Tough. Doctors have no business in those issues and you jumped in to defend that indefensible position.

"An attack" .... oooh. Yeah, it was awful stuff I wrote. Terrible.

Next time, if you don't want to have someone respond to you then don't post stuff of theirs and make silly complaints about it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 05:25 AM (MYSVz)

592 So I' m currently reading "The Martian" which is soon to released as a film. In it, the main character watches "The Dukes of Hazzard". What with all the kerfuffle over the confederate flag, I'm wondering, will it still be in the movie?

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 10, 2015 05:34 AM (KlVdw)

593 11 Evening morons, how fares the horde?

At work, but hopefully will have the opportunity to peek in from time to time. Hoping I didn't piss off too much of the horde with my comments on ace's professional versus working whites thread.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 09, 2015 11:28 PM (b2cFu)

1) In before you. So that part of your argument is false.

2) "Doctors think they are life coaches who are entitled to dictate life-living strategies to you about every little thing. They don't want to accept the fact that they are just fee-for-service technicians who are still living off of the respect that witch doctors used to get from the tribe but which they certainly don't deserve any longer."--Please point out which parts of these statements are not, in fact, generalized attacks on the profession of medicine and those who practice it.

3) Evidence that any argument I made was torn apart--is not in evidence. Please provide examples.

4) The comment was addressed to MWNP, who either missed your comments as per point 2), or willfully ignored them.

5) The accusation of potential dickish behavior on your part was on your continued hypotheticals about things such as ballistic objects in the car, which has nothing to do with the generalized issue about risks inherent in being in a motor vehicle--which is the point of the whole seat belt issue in the first place.

Now, are we done? Or do you wish to pursue this further and confirm point 5)?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 05:44 AM (b2cFu)

594 Oy. If you must ...

1) In before you. So that part of your argument is false.

I'll take your word for it. I didn't read anything of yours until you started responding to me. So, are you saying that you think I was directing that comment specifically at you? I mean, really ... is that the attack you're all ruffled about?

2) "Doctors think they are life coaches who are entitled to dictate life-living strategies to you about every little thing. They don't want to accept the fact that they are just fee-for-service technicians who are still living off of the respect that witch doctors used to get from the tribe but which they certainly don't deserve any longer."

--Please point out which parts of these statements are not, in fact, generalized attacks on the profession of medicine and those who practice it.

So I attacked doctors. Yeah ... and why are you all butt-hurt about that? I'm a mathematician but I don't care if people makes jokes or complain about mathematicians - and there are many. I defend what is defensible and I don't take attacks on my field as personal. FFS.

3) Evidence that any argument I made was torn apart--is not in evidence. Please provide examples.

LOL.

4) The comment was addressed to MWNP, who either missed your comments as per point 2), or willfully ignored them.

You posted a comment of mine and then bitched about it. That is addressing me directly. You don't even have the integrity to admit this?? You wanted out of the debate. I said "okey doke" and not another word of it. Then you had to cry and whine about a post of mine as some sort of awful attack. Boo hoo.

5) The accusation of potential dickish behavior on your part was on your continued hypotheticals about things such as ballistic objects in the car, which has nothing to do with the generalized issue about risks inherent in being in a motor vehicle--which is the point of the whole seat belt issue in the first place.

I was being nice to you when you requested to end this by not even bothering to address this ridiculous statement of yours. I let you have the last incorrect word on that just because you seemed so broken up about the whole thing. You don't seem to understand that and you obviously don't appreciate it.

Questions about loose items in the car are just as important as seat belt questions. That's why you have to put everything away in a plane ... you know. The hypothetical that I brought up of a guy having a box of tools in his car that can nail him in the face in an accident is a perfectly fine one. Half the reason why you want passengers in seat belts is so that they don't take your head off while they're flying around your car in an accident.

Now, are we done? Or do you wish to pursue this further and confirm point 5)?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 05:44 AM (b2cFu)

You ask to stop. I agree. I stop. You start up again. I respond and then you accuse me of being a dick for responding. Okay, there ... Pretty neat stuff.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 05:56 AM (MYSVz)

595 I Interrupt this broadcast for the following announcement!

Happy 16th Kaciejo!!Happy 16th Kaciejo!!

I now return you to your regular broadcast already in progress......

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 06:00 AM (7q5XQ)

596 2. New Orleans mayor Mitch Landrieu (yes, Mary Landrieu's brother) has filed a public nuisance lawsuit to get 4 Confederate statues taken down in the city.

mmmhmmm

Posted by: GnuBreed, dirty little fact-bitch! at July 10, 2015 03:44 AM (Y74qL)

Then that asshole can change the name of Jackson Square while he's at it. I'm sure there are more than a few offspring of the Seminoles who are still pissed off at him.

I am so sick of this Confederate flag brouhaha bullshit. I've never owned a Confederate flag even though I was raised in Virginny, but I sure as hell want one now. When you make things illegal, people will find a way to get that item (see: the war on drugs). It's human nature which the proggies are on the warpath to change. I am tired of The Tyranny of the Minority.

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 06:06 AM (GiySw)

597 I am so sick of this Confederate flag brouhaha bullshit. I

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 06:06 AM (GiySw)

It reminds me of what they did with Columbus Day.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 06:10 AM (MYSVz)

598 Before the kerfluffle you could get a screen printed Confederate Flag for $5.95. The cheapest you can find for the same thing now is $14.95.

I suspect that the Big Confederate Flag Industry has something to do with whole thing.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 06:11 AM (7q5XQ)

599 So you outright concede points 1) and 2), and offer no refutation of point 3). I'll be generous and grant that you were talking about libertarian rights only and not the brutal reality of physics, in which case we're talking about 2 different things--but in no way did you disprove them.

4) I thought we had already hashed this out over the intervening 400 comments, and was showing MWNP where he was mistaken about whether or not expertise was challenged.

5) Loose objects in the car are not a necessary condition of one being in a car. The risk of collision is a necessary condition as it cannot be eliminated if one is in a car in any meaningful real world scenario. While loose objects is a potential concern, your attempt to equate the two is post hoc bullsh*t. Futhermore, it was I who extended you the courtesy of dropping it, not the other way around. If you don't like being quoted in context when someone brings up a related subject, then renounce what you said. However, since you made clear that you are fine with your smear, I don't see why it should bother you that it was brought up.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 06:12 AM (b2cFu)

600 Maybe this will start Friday off on the right foot

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/selection-du-weekend-148-67.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 10, 2015 06:12 AM (nkc0T)

601 Regarding all this doc questions talk, I keep reading that it may make sense if coming from a PCP. I find that funny as try to find a PCP that takes Medicare. They are damn few and far between. And since I'm a confirmed cardiac patient with an ICD, what good is a PCP to me when any serious issue is going to have the advice to speak with my cardios (I have two, an electrician [the device guy] and a plumber [the drugs and maintenance guy])?

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 06:20 AM (GiySw)

602 601 Regarding all this doc questions talk, I keep reading that it may make sense if coming from a PCP. I find that funny as try to find a PCP that takes Medicare. They are damn few and far between. And since I'm a confirmed cardiac patient with an ICD, what good is a PCP to me when any serious issue is going to have the advice to speak with my cardios (I have two, an electrician [the device guy] and a plumber [the drugs and maintenance guy])?
Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 06:20 AM (GiySw)

Well, if there's anything wrong besides your ticker, electronic or organic, they would be the gatekeeper. Hell they probably are for the cardiologists too, knowing the idiocy of Medicare.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 06:23 AM (b2cFu)

603 So you outright concede points 1) and 2),

Dude ... You say you were around when I made my first comment while I thought you weren't. Fine. I concede. I give up. I was wrong. I was in error. My mistake.

Point 2 ... an attack on busybody, know-it-all doctors who tend to not know shit? Sure. So what?

and offer no refutation of point 3).

ROFLMAO.

I'll be generous and grant that you were talking about libertarian rights only and not the brutal reality of physics, in which case we're talking about 2 different things--but in no way did you disprove them.

You had better hope we weren't talking about physics because doctors are no experts in physics. No way, no how. You have a neat sense of humor ...

I was talking about exactly what I wrote. I'm pretty damn clear in my arguments.

4) I thought we had already hashed this out over the intervening 400 comments, and was showing MWNP where he was mistaken about whether or not expertise was challenged.

So ... youa re really trying to claim, now, that if someone posts a comment of someone's and cries about it to someone else then they are to expect that the original poster should not even bother responding because 'you weren't talkng to him' [paraphrased, of course]??. Seriously? You're going to go with that?

5) Loose objects in the car are not a necessary condition of one being in a car. The risk of collision is a necessary condition as it cannot be eliminated if one is in a car in any meaningful real world scenario. While loose objects is a potential concern, your attempt to equate the two is post hoc bullsh*t.

Uh ... You are the one who claimed you were all concerned about everyone's safety. Loose objects in the car are safety hazards as much as not wearing seat belts. Post-hoc bullshit? No. People carry all sorts of things around in their cars that aren't tied down. Those are serious safety hazards - your "expertise". But ... you realize how stupid you would sound advocating for warning about that, and what that would lead to, so you moan about it not being "necessary". Is that what passes for logic in med school? (Yes, you can consider that an attack on med school)

Futhermore, it was I who extended you the courtesy of dropping it, not the other way around.

WTFFF? What world are you in? Seriously.

If you don't like being quoted in context when someone brings up a related subject, then renounce what you said. However, since you made clear that you are fine with your smear, I don't see why it should bother you that it was brought up.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 06:12 AM (b2cFu)

I love being quoted. But I also understand that when I quote someone and then say something about it I am inviting a response from them. Most people understand this. It ain't rocket science. Hell, it ain't even model rocket science.

I harbor no personal ill will towards you but I can't be blamed if you keep digging yourself deeper.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 06:26 AM (MYSVz)

604 Gwyneth Paltrow retreats to a swank resort with buds to help brainstorm. Yeah Gwyn you need all the help you can round up to find a brain.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/q9aey32

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 10, 2015 06:30 AM (nkc0T)

605 There is a simple way to get people not to respond to anything. Don't say or do it. Then no response is needed.

That is a simple Rule of Life that applies to everyone.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 06:32 AM (7q5XQ)

606 Saw something amazing, in my opinion that is, yesterday. At one of the more conservative Churches in my area, I witnessed the Minister putting up the Church Flag above the U.S. Flag.

I don't know if advertising is wise.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 06:40 AM (7q5XQ)

607 Posted by: Anna Puma at July 10, 2015 06:30 AM (nkc0T)

She pays a lot of money to look good and it ain't working.

Posted by: LIV is the place 2B at July 10, 2015 06:44 AM (kjqdN)

608 Laughter is not an argument. You can't, or won't, point to an example. I also said I would grant you the benefit of a doubt on that point, but you just have to act like a dick.

You really have no clue what you're talking about with doctors and physics. Trauma IS physics. If you don't think a physician who deals with trauma regularly understands practical Newtonian physics, you are delusional.

Furthermore, you demonstrate an appalling lack of understanding of basic logic for a mathematician, or you are simply ignoring it in favor of lines of argument that are more convenient for you--you seem to like the ad hominem a lot here tonight. The risks of no seat belts and the risks of flying objects, while both real, are not equivalent or fungible.

You've been quite the instigator tonight. Hope it was worth it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 06:44 AM (b2cFu)

609 Well, if there's anything wrong besides your ticker, . . . .

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 06:23 AM (b2cFu)

I cannot confirm or deny the state of my mental health. And don't you dare ask my family! That last bit is the fear I have as to where we are going: Teaching kids to be snitches on their parents/family like good little Komsomols, a trait they will take into adulthood. Parents already fear their children because 'I'll call social services on you' should a parent upset their special snowflake's little apple cart. And all such reports 'must be acted upon'.

This will not end well.

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 06:59 AM (GiySw)

610 You really have no clue what you're talking about with doctors and physics. Trauma IS physics. If you don't think a physician who deals with trauma regularly understands practical Newtonian physics, you are delusional.

Uh ... Trauma is not physics. Sorry to break that to you. I guess you would claim that basketball players know physics because "shooting baskets is physics".

I tried to warn you about digging yourself deeper. I really did.

Furthermore, you demonstrate an appalling lack of understanding of basic logic for a mathematician, or you are simply ignoring it in favor of lines of argument that are more convenient for you

So I get to choose, here? I'll have to go with the "appalling lack of understanding of basic logic for a mathematician" for $200, Alex.

Look, if you aren't able to follow my arguments then just say so. No shame in that. I can type more slowly.

--you seem to like the ad hominem a lot here tonight. The risks of no seat belts and the risks of flying objects, while both real, are not equivalent or fungible.

You are really wed to this particular argument. You think you have something in this? I'll give you a hint ... you don't. If you are concerned about seat belts (which there are asinine and intrusive laws about in my state) then you also have to be concerned about loose objects. They are safety concerns and, on top of it, there aren't laws that force people to tie them down so you would actually be more useful pointing that out and "nudging" the idiots to more safe and secure existences. Seat belts are already covered by "the law".

But ... I expect that you won't understand this, either.

You've been quite the instigator tonight. Hope it was worth it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 06:44 AM (b2cFu)

Yep. My fault. You respond to my comments and it's my fault. Uh huh ... uh huh ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 06:59 AM (MYSVz)

611 276 E.T. " Hiring illegals at lower than prevailing wage because they are illegal is racist (why not everything else is). Sounds like the beginings of a class action lawsuit. Imagine a class action lawsuit against all employers that hire illegals, for back wages and penalty... I wouldn't care if thy gave the money to the illegals. Would be nice for the employers to feel the pain for a change."

The businesses are already taking the heat because the governments have imposed MINIMUM WAGES above what the market wages would be. The governments have already imposed costly regulation in hiring practices and forcing them to pay social security taxes for their workers, sometimes health insurance.

Do you not get it yet? The government has systematically INCREASED the cost of hiring employees to beyond what they can afford, then at the same time reduced the work force to a point to make it impossible to find workers to fill the jobs. Hence, the government has created a huge demand for the immigrant worker.

I brought this from an old thread because I feel it sums up the situation. H/T doug

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 10, 2015 06:59 AM (zW5rQ)

612 Good Morning wont be in this morning

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 10, 2015 07:06 AM (GpgJl)

613

Bummer, That's what I was waiting for.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 07:09 AM (7q5XQ)

614 CNN, what a bunch of media whores. That bunch can go straight to hell.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at July 10, 2015 07:10 AM (I0sxh)

615 CNN, all the alphabets, FOX, MSNBC, etc.

Posted by: Raider In Mourning at July 10, 2015 07:12 AM (kmtse)

616 608 If you don't think a physician who deals with trauma regularly understands practical Newtonian physics, you are delusional

Physics is on the MCAT, the standardized test for med school.

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 07:13 AM (ueOgE)

617 "Loose objects in the car are safety hazards as much as not wearing seat belts."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 06:26 AM (MYSVz)

Are you equating the dangers, or are you saying that they are simply both safety hazards?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2015 07:13 AM (Zu3d9)

618 If you don't think a physician who deals with trauma regularly understands practical Newtonian physics, you are delusional.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 06:44 AM (b2cFu)

Gravity: It's not just a good idea....IT'S THE LAW!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2015 07:15 AM (Zu3d9)

619 Physics tutor in college, certified trauma instructor, 8 years experience in emergency and trauma care. Please list your qualifications or experience at the intersection of physics and medicine to refute my claim about physics and trauma.

I have followed your arguments perfectly well. You have claimed that doctors do not deserve respect, that we have no business or duty to recommend a public health measure with excellent evidence to support it, and that extrinsic risks should be treated the same as intrinsic risks wrt vehicle safety. You have also argued that doctors should not ask intrusive questions, which I agreed with.

Go ahead and have the last word. Right or wrong, and almost certainly wrong given the rest of your arguments tonight, you'll have it anyway.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:17 AM (b2cFu)

620 Gravity: It's not just a good idea....IT'S THE LAW!

The one law even the Kennedy's are subject to.

(Ain't that right John John?)

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2015 07:18 AM (5fXFG)

621 Are you equating the dangers, or are you saying that they are simply both safety hazards?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2015 07:13 AM (Zu3d9)

They'e damn close, depending on the objects. As I wrote earlier, one of the reasons why you want passengers belted in is so that they don't kill you while they're flying around the car. This is part of Auto Safety 101 in high school. A toolchest in the front seat .... just about as dangerous - more in cars with airbags in them, where seat belts aren't the concern as they are in cars without them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 07:19 AM (MYSVz)

622 Anyone ever had DVT or blood clots???

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:21 AM (adaac)

623 581 Another nice one by Wretchard -- http://pjmedia.com/richard fernandez/2015/07/09/god-help-us-all/

Seems to me like the whole SSN thing is fatally compromised at this point. Is this the part where they give us the Mark? (Am I joking? Even I'm not sure.)

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 07:22 AM (ueOgE)

624 I cannot confirm or deny the state of my mental
health.

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 06:59 AM (GiySw)

You comment on AoSHQ.

QED

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2015 07:23 AM (Zu3d9)

625 622 Anyone ever had DVT or blood clots???

My mom died from it. That count?

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 07:23 AM (ueOgE)

626 Well, POP knows that doctors are idiots who do not deserve respect, ask for an expert opinion there.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:24 AM (b2cFu)

627 They'e damn close, depending on the objects.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 10, 2015 07:19 AM (MYSVz)

Most automobile accident injuries are caused by things other than flying objects.

So while the danger may be similar (I don't know), the risk is radically different.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2015 07:25 AM (Zu3d9)

628 @625

I am so sorry to hear that.

I've been having charley horses in the same leg. About 3 weeks ago, I had pain in my lower calf into the ankle....figured it was a muscle thing, and it eventually went away. Since then, I've been having charley horses in the same leg.

Been thinking of those DVT commercials I see all the time. I thought about going to Quick Care or the ER, but I don't want to seem like a lunatic.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:26 AM (adaac)

629 Anyone ever had DVT or blood clots???

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:21 AM (adaac)

Yes, right leg (multiple times), heart and lung. Why?

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 07:31 AM (GiySw)

630 You comment on AoSHQ.

QED

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2015 07:23 AM (Zu3d9)

LOL! Okay, you got me there.

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 07:32 AM (GiySw)

631 Shooting in Ansbach, Germany. Two killed. Police say no link to terrorism. Suspect arrested.

Posted by: Baldy at July 10, 2015 07:32 AM (sEXjW)

632 628
Just go see your doctor. Mom didn't even know she had a problem, but she threw a big clot and it clogged her heart, and she was dead from pulmonary embolism before she hit the floor, it was that fast. ER doc who called to tell me and ask for permission to pull the plug said she wouldn't have had time to even process what was happening. Bad fcuking day for me.

If you have clots, they can do things about that, so please get checked out.

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 07:33 AM (ueOgE)

633 631 Those kind of things don't happen in other developed countries.

Barack

Posted by: steevy at July 10, 2015 07:35 AM (sPO3u)

634 @632

Yeah, I don't have a doctor. I called my parents' primary care physician and told it was a 6 week wait to get in.

So I figure urgent care or ER are about my only options.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:36 AM (adaac)

635 Been thinking of those DVT commercials I see all the time. I thought about going to Quick Care or the ER, but I don't want to seem like a lunatic.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:26 AM (adaac)

You're only a lunatic if you don't get that checked out. Go to a place that can do an ultrasound and stay away from the ER (initially), if you can. You may end up at one anyway. I did back in 2004. Was having shooting pains up my right leg, starting in the calf area. Eventually went to a doc, who referred me for an ultrasound. Next thing I know, my leg is propped up on a chair, I'm told not to move and an ambulance was called, with a lovely week spent in the hospital (missed my Dad's funeral because of it).

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 07:37 AM (GiySw)

636 @629

Oh wow. Are you still in recovery? That is so scary!

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:37 AM (adaac)

637 18 year old fled by car, police were worried he had bomb (car parked at gas station) - killed were 82 year old woman and male bicyclist, 2 others apparently shot at (farmer on tractor someone else). IMO, but given the oddness/seeming randomness of it all, terror should not be ruled out. LINK in nik

Posted by: Baldy at July 10, 2015 07:37 AM (sEXjW)

638 So I figure urgent care or ER are about my only options.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:36 AM (adaac)

I think they do sonography to detect thrombosis. Make sure the urgent care facility has that capability.

But get it checked out.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2015 07:37 AM (Zu3d9)

639 Well, if urgent care thinks the problem is, uh, urgent, they'll send you to the ER. If not, then you have some peace of mind.

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 07:38 AM (ueOgE)

640 Yeah, I don't have a doctor. I called my parents' primary care physician and told it was a 6 week wait to get in.

So I figure urgent care or ER are about my only options.
Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:36 AM (adaac)

In seriousness--your symptoms could be from a DVT. Most respond well to medical treatment (blood thinners). A clot that goes to the lung from the leg is much more dangerous. Your instinct to go to an ER is probably right. An urgent care will likely tell you to go to an ER, or may run a screening test first. However, the screening test is not infallible, and if it is positive they will send you to an ER anyway.

Good luck.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:38 AM (b2cFu)

641 Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:17 AM

Bwahahahhaahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Well stated sir, very well stated.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 10, 2015 07:39 AM (WeuzC)

642 "Police say no link to terrorism"

When they say that, I and about 90% of everyone else, immediately think the opposite.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 07:40 AM (7q5XQ)

643 Shooting in Ansbach, Germany. Two killed. Police say no link to terrorism. Suspect arrested.

More of those shootings other countries don't have.

Posted by: Portugal at July 10, 2015 07:41 AM (oVJmc)

644 Yeah,sounds like one of those followers of the religion of peace.

Posted by: steevy at July 10, 2015 07:41 AM (sPO3u)

645 Oh wow. Are you still in recovery? That is so scary!

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:37 AM (adaac)

I'll be on blood thinners (Warfarin) for the rest of my life. (Maybe a newer drug that works once the price comes down.)

Scary is the ICD and 10 shocks which have kept me alive these last 5 years; the alternative os far worse. The 'electro' part of 'electro physiotherapy' device is working just great.

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 07:43 AM (GiySw)

646 Gwyneth Paltrow retreats to a swank resort with buds
to help brainstorm. Yeah Gwyn you need all the help you can round up to
find a brain.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/q9aey32

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 10, 2015 06:30 AM (nkc0T)

I guess brains aren't required to participate.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 10, 2015 07:43 AM (DiZBp)

647 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 10, 2015 07:43 AM (ZQfW9)

648 Shooting in Ansbach, Germany. Two killed. Police say no link to terrorism. Suspect arrested.

Posted by: Baldy at July 10, 2015 07:32 AM (sEXjW)

Didn't Barry just lecture us a couple of weeks ago that shootings like this don't happen in other countries?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 10, 2015 07:44 AM (DiZBp)

649 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 10, 2015 07:39 AM (WeuzC)

The kind words are much appreciated this morning.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:45 AM (b2cFu)

650 @645

Welp, now I am officially terrified.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:46 AM (adaac)

651 Good morning, morons. Another rainy and oddly less sweltering day in July here in the Miami Valley. Tell me about this "global warming" again. Oh that's right, it all moved to the Northwest to torment my cousin who usually enjoys his so-called perfect weather.

Thanks Anna for the morning wake-up photo. Germany proves that idiots with guns are part of the human condition the world over.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 07:47 AM (ry4ab)

652 Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:45 AM

How is Son of Crank? Is he playing football yet and eating you out of house and home?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 10, 2015 07:49 AM (WeuzC)

653 Gwyneth Paltrow needs a sammich or two.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 07:49 AM (ry4ab)

654 650 @645

Welp, now I am officially terrified.
Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:46 AM (adaac)

While I'm glad to hear that RickZ's device is keeping him alive, his outcome is not typical. Some do worse, most do better.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:49 AM (b2cFu)

655 Good luck TickledPink. If you have insurance, ask them or check their network online for an urgent care place that can do it that is in your plan.

Posted by: @votermom at July 10, 2015 07:50 AM (cbfNE)

656 Cheery morning, all.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 10, 2015 07:50 AM (JtAAl)

657 How is Son of Crank? Is he playing football yet and eating you out of house and home?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 10, 2015 07:49 AM (WeuzC)

He might be strong as a linebacker, but he hasn't mastered the whole walking by himself yet. He's also been stubborn about eating for the past few weeks, not sure why but it hasn't hurt his energy level at all.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:50 AM (b2cFu)

658 @654

Well, thanks for that.

Admittedly, I don't drink enough (or really much of any)) water. And, I have no idea how much potassium I get, but it ain't a lot. It could just be a normal ol' charley horse, and I need to start eating better.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:52 AM (adaac)

659 Bleg: Great Badass moments in scifi. Go. Thanks.

Posted by: V the K at July 10, 2015 07:52 AM (O7MnT)

660 Welp, now I am officially terrified.

Posted by: TickledPink at July 10, 2015 07:46 AM (adaac)

Unfortunately, I am a blood clot factory, which is probably genetic. They have a test now that can determine whether you are susceptible for clots and, if you have kids, allow you to warn them that they are at risk, too. (Can't remember the name of that test; help me out Conservative Crank.)

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 07:53 AM (GiySw)

661 Oh! Oh! Ohhhhhh!

One Plain *bandana*!

Dang.

Posted by: Not Gabriel Malor at July 10, 2015 07:54 AM (cK/SS)

662 657>> Good to hear all is well with the Cranks.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 10, 2015 07:55 AM (WeuzC)

663 648 Shooting in Ansbach, Germany. Two killed. Police say no link to terrorism. Suspect arrested. Didn't Barry just lecture us a couple of weeks ago that shootings like this don't happen in other countries?

That's how we know it's not terrorism. It never has been, and never will be. Barry sez so.

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 07:57 AM (ueOgE)

664 Some do worse, most do better.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 07:49 AM (b2cFu)

From what I've been told, 90% (?) of people with ICDs never get shocked. That went out the window 5 months after the ICD was implanted. My EF in January '10 was 15%; it went to 28% in October '13.

TickledPink, I suffered a silent heart attack in late 2006-early '07, which has led me to the less than healthy state I am in today.

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 07:58 AM (GiySw)

665 Went back and looked at that comparison article between Bernie Sanders and the Hildabeast. The article was all in favor of Sanders as the better candidate, which made me smile. Firstly, just because of the witty presentation, second, because it shows that despite all the $$$ and pseudo-hype Clinton 2016 has nothing to offer besides another Historic First, and therefore the anybody-bu-t Hillary crowd is on the move....

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 07:59 AM (ry4ab)

666 659 Bleg: Great Badass moments in scifi. Go. Thanks

"Get away from her, you bitch!"

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 08:00 AM (ueOgE)

667 Illinois vs. Greece

http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/illinois_greece/

Posted by: Michael at July 10, 2015 08:00 AM (KClXw)

668 A moment of silence, please, to note the passing of Kenny Stabler, great quarterback and true moron.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 10, 2015 08:00 AM (YFw5T)

669 There's a few different tests RickZ.

The test for acute screening is a D-Dimer.

There are several tests for clotting disorders. The most common, in no particular order, are Factor V Leiden, Protein S deficiency, and Protein C deficiency, each of which has a specific blood test. There are other specialized tests as well, and some more generalized ones (PT/INR, PTT) that are more commonly used with managing blood thinners.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 08:01 AM (b2cFu)

670 656 Cheery morning, all.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 10, 2015 07:50 AM (JtAAl)

Hi Ricardo. We're having fun, just talking about death.

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 08:02 AM (ueOgE)

671 CC, I think Factor V-Leiden was the test the ER doc recently mentioned. But since I have no kids, it's not worth the money to find out.

Posted by: RickZ at July 10, 2015 08:03 AM (GiySw)

672 668
A moment of silence, please, to note the passing of Kenny Stabler, great quarterback and true moron.
------------
If he was an Oakland Raider, does that mean he gets a Bronx cheer instead of a salute?

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 08:03 AM (ry4ab)

673 672 668
A moment of silence, please, to note the passing of Kenny Stabler, great quarterback and true moron.
------------
If he was an Oakland Raider, does that mean he gets a Bronx cheer instead of a salute?
Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 08:03 AM (ry4ab)

I think it means Viking funeral (Norsemen, not Minneapolis)

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 08:04 AM (b2cFu)

674 "We're having fun, just talking about death."

Yes, yes, I noticed. It is something we've all got in common.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 10, 2015 08:05 AM (JtAAl)

675 Morning horde. Happy Friday!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 10, 2015 08:05 AM (OTwkP)

676 G'morning, all

Seems that the national and local news are all using wording along the line of "Much worse" in their opening intros to the OPM data give-away story.

Including an explanation of the impact to family and friends who the applicant listed, and provided information on in the form.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 10, 2015 08:06 AM (VPLuQ)

677 So let me get this straight: Tim Hunt, a real scientist with actual accomplishment is destroyed and humiliated for an off-hand joke that was actually meant to be ironic but Neil DeGrass Tyson, a walking scientific fraud if there ever was one, is given a pass because he is on the "right" side of global warming? Proves that with the left is is not what you know but who you know.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 10, 2015 08:06 AM (1BQGO)

678 Insty just linked to Ace's missive from yesterday about class warfare.

We may need to clean the place up a bit, swab out the barrel, and put on pants for a bit.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 10, 2015 08:07 AM (VPLuQ)

679 7.5 out of 11. I give myself a B+

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 08:08 AM (7q5XQ)

680 Okay, gtg. Have a good morning, Horde.

Posted by: Agent J at July 10, 2015 08:09 AM (ueOgE)

681 Favorite Snake Stabler memory: On a MNF game in 78 or 79, he came to the line on the first play, saw the Vikings inexplicably single covering Cliff Branch, audibles, and hits Branch for a 75-ish yard TD.

As a Bama fan, I'm also amazed that Bear never killed him given all the crap he pulled in, around, above, and below Tusclaoosa.

RIP, Kenny.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 10, 2015 08:10 AM (659DL)

682 My just married lesbian cousin is flying the hell out of the flag which dares not be named.

Interesting times and all that.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 10, 2015 08:11 AM (OTwkP)

683 My logic circuits have been tampered with. I can feel it.

Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at July 10, 2015 08:11 AM (VcOqI)

684 We may need to clean the place up a bit, swab out the barrel, and put on pants for a bit.

Our hou...uh, seedy duct-taped couch, our rules.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 10, 2015 08:11 AM (659DL)

685 Geez, that sidebar article.... If Hillary gets to the Whit House than so does Huma. I no longer feel sorry about all the dyke jokes on this site. Lordy, it's past the point of satire....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdhonK8NMm8

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 08:12 AM (ry4ab)

686 Tim Hunt, a real scientist with actual accomplishment

Only because of white privilege.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 10, 2015 08:13 AM (659DL)

687 We may need to clean the place up a bit, swab out the barrel, and put on pants for a bit.

Our hou...uh, seedy duct-taped couch, our rules.
Posted by: Circa

Damn straight!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2015 08:14 AM (5fXFG)

688 Lordy, it's past the point of satire....

I feel kinda sorry for The Onion guys these days.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 10, 2015 08:14 AM (659DL)

689 "Our hou...uh, seedy duct-taped couch, our rules."

Well, one could try to build the case that it's Ace's House, we are guests, and his rules would apply.

But that inevitably begins the whole "Net Nanny" argument, which never ends well.

Either way....we may have guests.
Ace gets his coin from the advertisers here, as well as the tip jar.

Do what each of you think is appropriate.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 10, 2015 08:16 AM (VPLuQ)

690 Lordy, it's past the point of satire....

I feel kinda sorry for The Onion guys these days.
Posted by: Circa

Hard to write parody when reality laps you.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2015 08:17 AM (5fXFG)

691 Do what each of you think is appropriate.

Now you've done it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 10, 2015 08:17 AM (659DL)

692 Well, one could try to build the case that it's Ace's House, we are guests, and his rules would apply.

Can we please avoid our own problematics ratings?

Of course it's Ace's place.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 10, 2015 08:18 AM (659DL)

693 http://tinyurl.com/nfswzkp
Let's tear down the Confederacy

Posted by: Jeffrey Carter (@pointsnfigures) at July 10, 2015 08:18 AM (LnE5F)

694 681
Favorite Snake Stabler memory: On a MNF game in 78 or 79, he came to
the line on the first play, saw the Vikings inexplicably single covering
Cliff Branch, audibles, and hits Branch for a 75-ish yard TD.

As a Bama fan, I'm also amazed that Bear never killed him given all the crap he pulled in, around, above, and below Tusclaoosa.

-------------

75 yard TDs are automatically legendary and the stuff that dreams are made of. For college-era shenanigans, well it was a different era and star players were given a little leeway. Probably got his ears pinned back by The Bear though. According to Dad (Buckeye '64) Woody Hayes didn't have much truck for screwing around and screwing up.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 08:19 AM (ry4ab)

695 Do what each of you think is appropriate.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 10, 2015 08:16 AM (VPLuQ) YOU"RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!! <<quietly puts pants on>

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at July 10, 2015 08:19 AM (22uju)

696 The Hartford Courant has a story today about the dozen or so Metro passengers in D.C. who did nothing while 24 year old Kevin Sutherland was being slashed, stabbed, kicked, punched, and beaten to death on July 4. Sutherland, who was white, revealed on his twitter page that he was fervent supporter of the Baltimore and Ferguson rioters, and a hater of white conservatives. He certainly could have used a policeman of any race on the subway train, but those present only cowered in fear.

Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at July 10, 2015 08:23 AM (VcOqI)

697 648 Shooting in Ansbach, Germany. Two killed. Police say no link to terrorism. Suspect arrested.

Posted by: Baldy at July 10, 2015 07:32 AM (sEXjW)

I am sure the Confederate Battle Flag is to blame.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 08:23 AM (+XMAD)

698 Finally out of this funhouse. Back in the evening. Be good and stay frosty, morons.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 10, 2015 08:23 AM (b2cFu)

699 Honest question:

Why does TV insist on putting subtitles on any person from the south (even when they are perfectly understandable), but I can't get through fifteen seconds of Al Sharpton without wondering "WTF did he just say?"
THAT'S where we need subtitles.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 08:25 AM (FHMq2)

700 He certainly could have used a policeman of any race on the subway train, but those present only cowered in fear.

Or someone with a CCP. But it being Washington, that's just crazy gun nutter talk. Ask Lynne Russell.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 10, 2015 08:26 AM (659DL)

701 Sutherland, who was white, revealed on his twitter page that he was
fervent supporter of the Baltimore and Ferguson rioters, and a hater of
white conservatives. He certainly could have used a policeman of any
race on the subway train, but those present only cowered in fear.
-------------
Man, the karma hammer is really coming down hard this past week....

Posted by: exdem13 at July 10, 2015 08:26 AM (ry4ab)

702 "Sutherland, who was white, revealed on his twitter page that he was fervent supporter of the Baltimore and Ferguson rioters, and a hater of white conservatives."

I'm sure he probably tried to inform his attackers of that: "I'm on your side! I hate racist conservatives!"

And all they saw was another cracka.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 10, 2015 08:27 AM (+XMAD)

703 According to Rush yesterday, Eleanor Roosevelt had a "personal" assistant living in the same room Huma is going to get. Yes, Rush included the quotes as well.

Posted by: WOPR at July 10, 2015 08:27 AM (nRvEn)

704 We lost the truest face of the Raiders. He epitomized what being a Raider was all about. Played hard, partied hard.

I am blessed I am old enough to remember watching him play at Oco when I was just a wee lass with my dad. Some of my best memories.

Win, lose or tie, Raiders 'til I die.

Posted by: Raider In Mourning at July 10, 2015 08:30 AM (kmtse)

705 Hey Chi : )

Posted by: Raider In Mourning at July 10, 2015 08:31 AM (kmtse)

706 G'morning, ma'am.

Posted by: Chi at July 10, 2015 08:31 AM (FHMq2)

707 No need to mention that the morning thread is on the doorstep, right? Everybody has already moooved on, I'm sure. (Only answer if you're not here.)

Posted by: mindful webworker - clarion at July 10, 2015 08:31 AM (rXkis)

708 Hopefully, we have another 'Bama star in the making with Amari Cooper.

Posted by: Raider In Mourning at July 10, 2015 08:33 AM (kmtse)

709 Close the door you two.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 08:33 AM (7q5XQ)

710 *cheerfully flashes Tim the one-fingered salute*

Posted by: Raider In Mourning at July 10, 2015 08:35 AM (kmtse)

711 Has the boycott on Gold's Gym started yet? Where is CNN fanning the outrage?! Where are the squalling politicians? Where is the persecution?

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at July 10, 2015 08:37 AM (jN+3o)

712 Yeah!! I'm number 1 !!!

*farts in your general direction*

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 10, 2015 08:38 AM (7q5XQ)

713 "Sutherland, who was white, revealed on his twitter page that he was
fervent supporter of the Baltimore and Ferguson rioters, and a hater of
white conservatives."

Also a former congressional intern.

I wonder if he converted to conservatism before he died.

Posted by: Portugal at July 10, 2015 08:43 AM (oVJmc)

714 Man, the karma hammer is really coming down hard this past week....

If your schadenboner only lasts 4 hours, reread the story.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2015 08:49 AM (5fXFG)

715 Dump up.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2015 08:51 AM (5fXFG)

716 I love the "problematic" meme.

For years my private term for these types has been "hand wringers" ie people who can't drink a coke or fart without torturing themselves (and others) about some made up bullshit or hyperobsessive concern about various peoples feelings.

I have met some for whom the question is not simply whether one's farts contribute to global warming, but are they SUSTAINABLE?????

Posted by: NYC Parent gettin out of Dodge at July 10, 2015 09:58 AM (k8tEg)

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