Overnight Open Thread (7-6-2015)

Will Russia Revoke Recognition of Baltic Independence?

Russia Rehearsed a Takeover of Danish Island in March

NATO Forming a Baltic (Semi-)Rapid Reaction Force

But geography and force attrition work against them.

NATO has long been dependent on the USAF (and its Air Mobility Command) to provide the bulk of the transports and crews needed to more personnel and supplies to the war zone.  That dependence has lessened a bit in recent years, with Great Britain and Canada purchasing four C-17s each, and NATO acquiring three more for its strategic airlift unit, based in Hungary.  However, that pales in comparison to the 222 Globemaster III's in the American inventory and it underscores NATO's continuing reliance on the U.S. to move most of the assets needed to respond to a regional contingency. 

But air planners won't send C-17s into an environment where they are easy pickings for enemy fighters, or face significant threats from ground-based air defense systems.  Protecting the air bridge into a region like the Baltics would require scores of fighter aircraft, with support from AWACS, RC-135s, air tankers, EF-18s and other platforms.  Did we mention that the number of fighter squadrons in the USAF have been reduced by two-thirds over the last 20 years?  Or that many of NATO's smaller members can provide only token support for that type of operation?  Suddenly, the job of getting VJTF personnel and supplies to the Baltics has grown infinitely more complex.

Additionally, the alliance faces the added challenges of long logistics lines and the complete lack of defensive depth.  While NATO is making a great show of pre-positioning tanks, artillery and other "heavy" weaponry in the Baltic States and Poland, sustaining those weapons--and the troops that operate them--would post a significant supply challenge.  Put another way: the same challenges associated with getting the troops into the region would persist as NATO conducts operations and tries to keep them supplied. 

Meanwhile, the Russians don't have those problems. As Tom Rogan notes, NATO depots near the Estonian capital (Tallinn) are only 130 miles from Russia's western border--and Moscow already has significant military forces in the Kaliningrad exclave (between Lithuania and Poland) and its territory bordering the Baltic States.  That would allow Moscow to rapidly encircle the NATO force, before all elements of the VJTF arrive on the scene.

Meanwhile the last Vulcan bomber flies its final flight. The last action they saw (and maybe the only action) were the Falklands War Black Buck raids - the longest bombing raids in history prior to Desert Storm. However the UK will soon be back in the aircraft carrier game when the HMS Queen Elizabeth is commissioned next year.

The IDFs Secret Weapon: Autistic Intelligence Analysts 

The IDF is a multifaceted body, with various units and teams that are highly classified and specialized. One such example is a team within the Intelligence Corps' Unit 9900: the soldiers that serve in the unique "Roim Rachok" (RR) Program - Hebrew for far beyond horizons. The soldiers are some of IDF's most valued, and each and every one of them is on the autism spectrum.

Soldiers that compose this highly classified branch are some of the most specialized in the IDF. The members are all on the autism spectrum and are gifted with an incredible ability to analyze, interpret, and understand satellite images and maps. Their work helps greatly in protecting Israel's population, and the unit itself is unlike any other in the IDF.

...The elite, secret group of soldiers who serve within the RR Program, are indeed unlike any group in the IDF, but not only because they are all on the autism spectrum. These soldiers are all volunteers. They could have been exempt from military service in the IDF, but insisted on contributing just like their peers.

This reminds me a bit of the Focused in Vernor Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky.

How Bad Are Things in Greece?

This bad:

Anastasios Economou, founder of the investment firm iGroup, told CNBC that his employees are asking not to be paid on time. They believe the Greek government may be about to raid bank deposits and confiscate part of them. "People apparently trust their employers to hold on to their money more than the banks that are subject to government fiat," he told CNBC.

Ted Cruz, Lincoln on Limiting a Particular Supreme Court Decision

How far doe Obergefell apply? Maybe not as far as it's been made out to be since it only applies to 'parallel' cases - not marriage cases in general.

Look again at Lincoln's careful language in that passage above. He is saying that the reasoning of Dred Scott must be respected as to the parties of that particular case and in parallel cases (i.e., a slave owner who brings his slave into a free state, as Dred Scott's owner had done). But in his decision to reverse the executive branch decisions supposedly based on Dred Scott in circumstances that were not parallel-both were free blacks in free states, with no one asserting ownership claims to them-Lincoln was asserting that the executive branch was not obligated to extend the principle of the Dred Scott case more broadly. The Constitution belongs to all three branches of government, each of which may assert its constitutional prerogatives in its own sphere-pending a legal challenge in the courts that concludes otherwise.

Good for Cruz for sticking up for constitutional rectitude, though as I say I think he's stretching it a bit here. But his general point is solid, because you can be sure that there will be people asking to extend Justice Kennedy's reasoning about "dignity" on behalf of all kinds of "rights" beyond marriage, and governors and state legislatures will be on solid ground to resist.

Obama: 'Ideologies Are Not Defeated with Guns'

[insert snarky reference to Mahdism, Nazism, and communism here]

Texas Supremes Strike Blow Against Licensing

You may now eyebrow thread without permission from the government.

In a 5-4 ruling, the court ruled against the cosmetology license requirement for eyebrow threaders on the grounds that it "is not just unreasonable or harsh, but it is so oppressive that it violates" the Texas State Constitution.

The Top Three Contenders For The U.S. Military's XM17 Modular Handgun System Contract

Per Bob Owen are the STI-Detonics STX, the SIG 320 MHS, and the Beretta APX. Since I have a SIG 320, I'm hoping they win out for just personal choice vindication as well as all the cheap accessories that will follow on from a contract win. :-)

So far I've been very pleased with my 320 and haven't had any issues whatsoever. It shoots very well and has a great stock trigger in it. It's a truly modular gun so the grip, barrel and slide can all be swapped out on the same receiver module to go from a full-sized .45 to a compact 9mm.* Once I sight in my laser/light on it and run a few hundred more rounds through it, I'll probably switch over to it from my current go-to gun, a SIG 2022. Here's another satisfied 320 owner who's already shot 1400 rounds through it without any cleaning or lubrication.

* SIG seems to have hit a snag with getting standard 320 modules reliably working with .45 mags and may have to offer a separate .45 module if they can't get it worked out.

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Slate: Craft Beer Has a Sexism Problem

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Reddit Feeling the Heat, Pao Apologizes

After moderators locked up some of Reddit's most popular pages in protest against the dismissal of Victoria Taylor, and an online petition asking the company to fire CEO Ellen Pao reached more than 175,000 signatures over the weekend, Pao has issued an apology. The statement reads in part: "We screwed up. Not just on July 2, but also over the past several years. We haven't communicated well, and we have surprised moderators and the community with big changes. We have apologized and made promises to you, the moderators and the community, over many years, but time and again, we haven't delivered on them. When you've had feedback or requests, we haven't always been responsive. The mods and the community have lost trust in me and in us, the administrators of reddit. Today, we acknowledge this long history of mistakes. We are grateful for all you do for reddit, and the buck stops with me."

Meanwhile Vox has their smart take on l'affaire reddit:

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The Battle of Castle Ittner

One of the last battles of WWII and one in which the Wehrmacht and the Allies fought together against the Waffen-SS.

Here are the basic facts: on 5 May 1945-five days after Hitler's suicide-three Sherman tanks from the 23rd Tank Battalion of the U.S. 12th Armored Division under the command of Capt. John C. 'Jack' Lee Jr., liberated an Austrian castle called Schloss Itter in the Tyrol, a special prison that housed various French VIPs, including the ex-prime ministers Paul Reynaud and Eduard Daladier and former commanders-in-chief Generals Maxime Weygand and Paul Gamelin, amongst several others. Yet when the units of the veteran 17th Waffen-SS Panzer Grenadier Division arrived to recapture the castle and execute the prisoners, Lee's beleaguered and outnumbered men were joined by anti-Nazi German soldiers of the Wehrmacht, as well as some of the extremely feisty wives and girlfriends of the (needless-to-say hitherto bickering) French VIPs, and together they fought off some of the best crack troops of the Third Reich.

Frank Herbert's Dune, 50 Years On

The First of Hopefully Many US vs. Japan Giant Fighting Robot Duels

The Yahoo AoSHQ group - it's got electrolytes and shit.

And my twitter thang.

Tonight's post brought to you by the A-10 Warthog:

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Notice: Posted by authority of AceCorp LLC. That is all.

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1 Hah!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 06, 2015 10:28 PM (Zu3d9)

2 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 06, 2015 10:29 PM (KCxzN)

3 I will not go get the others. Let em keep the shouting and yelling downstairs.

Posted by: DC in River City at July 06, 2015 10:29 PM (e+1S5)

4 NATO Forming a Baltic Rapid Reaction Force

Will they be faster than Obama can sell them out?

Posted by: t-bird at July 06, 2015 10:29 PM (FcR7P)

5 The Battle of Castle Ittner should be a freaking movie.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2015 10:31 PM (10ydV)

6 Yo.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:31 PM (o5bK+)

7 Yay ONT!

3 I will not go get the others. Let em keep the shouting and yelling downstairs.

I'm just glad I didn't get banhammered. Phew!

Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 10:32 PM (cbfNE)

8 Weeeeee this will be fun
CNBCWorld: BREAKING: Over 200 China-listed firms announce suspension of share trading on Tuesday, the Securities Times reports.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 06, 2015 10:32 PM (CxEX+)

9 I'm currently reading Dune for the first time. Never saw the movie either. Enjoying the book.

Posted by: Beth M at July 06, 2015 10:32 PM (kiy9d)

10 When did they start putting Spinners on the GAU-8?

Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 10:32 PM (1SHv1)

11 If anyone is interested, we were wondering just what the EU is going to do. The political side hasn't made up their mind, but the financial side didn't have any time to waste. It looks the ECB is going the "slow squeeze" route on the Greece banks. They're keeping the ELA going (equivalent of the Fed's discount window), but they're increasing the "haircut" they impose on the Greek banks' collateral they must pledge to a whopping 45%.

According to some rough calculations I've seen made, that wipes out all the capital of the banks, if they were liquidated. Ie, the stock holders, the bondholders would have zero, but the deposits would covered. That is the difference between assets and deposits is zero.

Any more of a haircut and the deposits start going poof. This is a slow squeeze move. They're hoping to slowly increase the pain until someone relents, rather than pulling out and detonating the entire banking system in one swoop.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at July 06, 2015 10:32 PM (dvuhZ)

12 Obama at Pentagon: 'Twisted' ISIS Must be 'Discredited' as 'Ideologies are Not Defeated With Guns'







Of course not. The Supreme Court will rule against ISIS and they'll go away nicely

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 06, 2015 10:33 PM (DiZBp)

13 Is that a few cases of PBR under the A-10?

Posted by: Infidel at July 06, 2015 10:33 PM (54D5/)

14 My eyebrow threader will be thrilled to hear about this.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:33 PM (o5bK+)

15 I strongly suspect that a lot of "autism" stuff is crap. The ability to focus to a preternatural extent may be considered bizarre by well-rounded, "normal" observers, but then they're the people who empty the trash cans.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:33 PM (oKE6c)

16 nth!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 10:33 PM (x3GpS)

17 Meanwhile the last Vulcan bomber flies its final flight. The last action they saw (and maybe the only action) were the Falklands War Black Buck raids

There were Vulcans on the Maldives? I missed that Star Treck movie.

Posted by: King Admiral Emperor Barky, Movie Reviewer and Geography Maven at July 06, 2015 10:34 PM (MYSVz)

18 RE: The Battle of Castle Ittner. I read a book about this that I got a free Kindle edition of, called "The Last Battle". I highly recommend it.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 06, 2015 10:34 PM (Wo9OY)

19 Woot woot ont

Lots o content edition

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 10:35 PM (jqjqt)

20 1) This Ace of Spades blog is the slowest of all web pages to load that I currently frequent. I wonder why.
B) That O'Spades fella was angry last thread, almost like a value-rite rage. I typed-deleted nearly 20 times.
III: now off to read the content!
these bullet points brought to you by another moron whose name escapes me, but I like it. DC?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 06, 2015 10:35 PM (XmOA9)

21 >>>another satisfied 320 owner who's already shot 1400 rounds through it without any cleaning or lubrication.

Why would one do such a thing? I mean, unless it's part of a torture test.

Posted by: DC in River City at July 06, 2015 10:36 PM (e+1S5)

22 "Protecting the air bridge into a region like the Baltics would require
scores of fighter aircraft, with support from AWACS, RC-135s, air
tankers, EF-18s and other platforms. Did we mention that the number of
fighter squadrons in the USAF have been reduced by two-thirds over the
last 20 years?"

Entirely omitted here is another ugly fact.

Russia is *right there* in the same geographical neighborhood as the Baltics.

And the most modern "triple-digit" Russian surface to air missile systems (most feared being the S-500) can shoot down essentially anything in the American or NATO inventory from a ridiculously long distance away.

(Where "essentially anything" means any aircraft other than an F-22, of which the USAF have a bit over a hundred combat-coded airframes. And even an F-22 would be advised to not linger long in the -500 engagement envelope.)

To give you an idea of the reach of these systems, in an Asian context, China are deploying more and more triple-digit SAMs, and when they have enough, the Chinese will be able to casually kill the entire Taiwanese air force as it takes off from Taiwan air bases, all the way from the other side of the straits. Without a single Chinese fighter even having to take wing to do that. All missiles, all the time.

Then the Chinese fighters and bombers arrive when the skies are safely uncontested.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 10:36 PM (noWW6)

23 The dents and dings in that A-10's nose are funny. Lots of flying booms banging into the fuselage.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:36 PM (o5bK+)

24 4 NATO Forming a Baltic Rapid Reaction Force Will they be faster than Obama can sell them out?
Posted by: t-bird at July 06, 2015 10:29 PM (FcR7P)



Seriously, would you tell the Obongo Administration anything? You'd have to be out of your mind to do so. Considering half of NATO seems to be penetrated as well, if I were a head of government in a NATO country I'd make damned sure we didn't tell anybody anything.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:36 PM (oKE6c)

25 The Constitution belongs to all three branches of government, each of
which may assert its constitutional prerogatives in its own
sphere-pending a legal challenge in the courts that concludes otherwise.





Constitution? We don't need no steenking Constitution. All we need is a Historic Prezzy and and a Supreme Court willing to ignore the law and vote with their personal ideology and you've got a lovely banana republic

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 06, 2015 10:37 PM (DiZBp)

26 The A-10 warms the cockles of my cold, cold heart. Oh, the carnage a guy could bring with that against the cartels.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 06, 2015 10:37 PM (ucDmr)

27 Maet: Ira (I think) is skulking around here disquised as

Justice and Apologies at July 06, 2015 10:22 PM (IMGBe)
(from previous thread)

Just from some thing this person said made me think they might be trouble if not Ira itself.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 10:37 PM (x3GpS)

28 LOVE the SIG 2022! I recommend it to everyone who wants a reliable and inexpensive semi-auto. Got mine in .40 sw but the 9mm works great as well. Not my overall favorite handgun but certainly one of the contenders.

Posted by: BuckIV at July 06, 2015 10:38 PM (CLfqv)

29 >>Seriously, would you tell the Obongo Administration anything?

Nope, not after the way he's repeatedly stabbed Israel in the back. Dude can't even not leak classified info about his own country (like the Bin Laden raid).

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 10:38 PM (NOIQH)

30 >>>I'm just glad I didn't get banhammered. Phew!

Disagreeing with ace doesn't get you banned. Even arguing aggressively isn't enough.

Telling ace what he can write about on his own blog and edging right up to the line of calling for armed rebellion sure as shit does.

Posted by: DC in River City at July 06, 2015 10:38 PM (e+1S5)

31 Yeah. I used to like St. Pauli Girl bier back when it was made in Germany and the girl on the label had nice tits.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:38 PM (baR5c)

32 The First of Hopefully Many US vs. Japan Giant Fighting Robot Duels

I love battles! One side puts forth and idea, then the other side counters with- they hope- an even better idea. Have they decided which cafe will host this showdown?

Posted by: Barack "Nobel" Obama at July 06, 2015 10:39 PM (FcR7P)

33 I had my eyebrows threaded for my wedding. It is pretty cool and IMO less painful than waxing/plucking. It's also a skill taught to Nepalese women by their mothers/sisters and not even taught in any beauty school, or wasn't until recently.

Score one for sanity.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 10:40 PM (MYCIw)

34 Evening. White House spokes liar told the media to contact the DHS for comments on the illegal alien killing of the civilian in SF. An honest response from them would see careers terminated. Consequently, the sound of silence...

Posted by: fairweatherbill at July 06, 2015 10:40 PM (cygkw)

35 Evening everyone

Posted by: dartist at July 06, 2015 10:40 PM (ahBY0)

36 Good for Cruz for sticking up for constitutional rectitude,

... and then he became a shill for BarkyTrade, working as hard as he possibly could to give Barky extra-Constitutional powers to fukc us over even more with ...

Thanks, Ted. You're the best.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 10:40 PM (MYSVz)

37 Posted by: DC in River City at July 06, 2015 10:38 PM (e+1S5)

Oh good. I was afraid I'd have to carry a mattress around Twitter calling for the ewok to let me back in

Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 10:41 PM (cbfNE)

38 >>>these bullet points brought to you by another moron whose name escapes me, but I like it. DC?

I'll gladly take credit, but I'm not that clever. I stole it from someone else, and even if I remembered who, I wouldn't tell.

Because in addition to not being clever, I'm also an asshole.

Posted by: DC in River City at July 06, 2015 10:41 PM (e+1S5)

39 "NATO has long been dependent on the USAF"


Remember, NATO was buggered out trying to fly support for the Libyan civil war. Even the main players could only muster a dozen or so aircraft and the majority of their airlift was help from Uncle Sugar. EW, tanking was almost all U.S.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:41 PM (o5bK+)

40 Lauren at July 06, 2015 10:40 PM (MYCIw)

You women's do some strange stuff to your bods.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 10:41 PM (x3GpS)

41 Lauren!

No baby yet?

Posted by: Infidel at July 06, 2015 10:42 PM (54D5/)

42
14 My eyebrow threader will be thrilled to hear about this.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:33

You Dawg

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 10:42 PM (xJGO2)

43 Howdy, beloved Horde!

Any 'rons or 'ettes here tonight in the Salt Lake City area? I'm considering going there the last weekend of July and would love to have a mini meetup.

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 10:42 PM (LuM0n)

44 Boy. That story about the spectrum volunteers in the IDF choked me up a little bit. How wonderful to use that hyper focus to save lives

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 10:42 PM (zOTsN)

45 Autism is real.

The correlation with old eggs and sperm is high.

Marry and reproduce when you are young.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:42 PM (baR5c)

46 first !!

Posted by: moron #73 at July 06, 2015 10:43 PM (PY/7D)

47 That is why I am not too worried about a war in Europe. Nobody has an army anymore.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:43 PM (baR5c)

48 "Justice and Apologies at July 06, 2015 10:22"


Saw that. Thought "hmmm."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:44 PM (o5bK+)

49 Hexapodia as the key insight.

Posted by: V Vinge at July 06, 2015 10:44 PM (DcPHq)

50 "No baby yet?"

Nope. Apt tomorrow though so hopefully they'll decide to take her then. I'm not holding my breath though.

Today was eventful in other ways. Poor puppy found a bottle of ibuprofen in my father in law's bag that he'd left on the ground and chewed the bottle open. We had to take him to get his stomach cleared out. He'll be ok, but it was quite traumatic for him (and me).

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 10:44 PM (MYCIw)

51 "Autism is real.
The correlation with old eggs and sperm is high.
Marry and reproduce when you are young.



Posted by: Grampa Jimbo"

I can attest to this.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 06, 2015 10:44 PM (Wo9OY)

52 "How far doe Obergefell apply? Maybe not as far as it's been made out to be since it only applies to 'parallel' cases - not marriage cases in general."




Our black-robed betters and the GOPe have already declared "its the law of the land" and that we need to just get over it.

F that and F them but how does Cruz proposes to pull a Lincoln when the judiciary is full of Obamas.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 06, 2015 10:44 PM (NPofj)

53 Evening. White House spokes liar told the media to
contact the DHS for comments on the illegal alien killing of the
civilian in SF. An honest response from them would see careers
terminated. Consequently, the sound of silence...

Posted by: fairweatherbill at July 06, 2015 10:40 PM (cygkw)



Which is why it will be a non-story for the MFM and the Vichy Republicans will ignore it too

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 06, 2015 10:44 PM (DiZBp)

54 29 >>Seriously, would you tell the Obongo Administration anything?
Nope, not after the way he's repeatedly stabbed Israel in the back. Dude can't even not leak classified info about his own country (like the Bin Laden raid).
Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 10:38 PM (NOIQH)



Not just Israel, but what about Poland too, and probably some others I've forgotten about? No wonder the Saudis didn't tell him shit before they made their recent move.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:44 PM (oKE6c)

55
Pao's apology does not fix the problem: They want Taylor back and Pao gone.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 10:45 PM (iQIUe)

56 Autism is real.
The correlation with old eggs and sperm is high.
Marry and reproduce when you are young.


There's also a correlation with family histories of high intelligence and mental disorders.

So having kids young may not save you.

But have 'em young anyway. That way you'll still be able to keep up with them when they go running off somewhere.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 06, 2015 10:45 PM (UVfht)

57 I saw Justice open for The Apologies at the Roxy in '68.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:45 PM (baR5c)

58 45 Autism is real.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:42 PM (baR5c)


Autism is real but many diagnoses are not. It's just funny that autism diagnoses skyrocketed right after Rain Man. Weird, huh?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 10:46 PM (MYSVz)

59 54 29 >>Seriously, would you tell the Obongo Administration anything
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Yeah, FOAD

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 10:46 PM (xJGO2)

60 WestminsterDogShow asked me to point out that this Saturday's Colorado Morondezvous is going to be held only five blocks from I-25 and Speer in Denver. Easy to get to!

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 10:47 PM (LuM0n)

61 "Autism is real."


I wasn't clear. I didn't mean it wasn't real, but rather that I question where it falls on the spectrum of behavior. Sure, there are kids/adults who are way out there, but I suspect that there are many who are considered to have a problem who just basically are very focused on one or a limited number of things, to the exclusion of everything else. My colleagues, as I fondly refer to them.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:47 PM (oKE6c)

62 Nope. Apt tomorrow though so hopefully they'll decide to take her then. I'm not holding my breath though.


Good luck. Glad the puppy is ok. Scary.

Posted by: Infidel at July 06, 2015 10:47 PM (54D5/)

63 Some kids just need a good spanking when they misbehave or "act-out."

Posted by: Dr. Spock at July 06, 2015 10:47 PM (baR5c)

64 Having one autistic child and three not autistic children, I can definitely tell you that autism is real.

And also the complete mythology of the Transformers universe from 1985 on.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 10:48 PM (MYCIw)

65 Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:43 PM (baR5c)

The Russians will put a stop to this Euro nonsense tout suite!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 10:48 PM (x3GpS)

66 The correlation with old eggs and sperm is high.


Btw, there are no old sperm. Sperm are generated continuously, and turn over (IIRC) every few weeks. Eggs, however, can get old.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:48 PM (oKE6c)

67 Slate: Craft Beer Has a Sexism Problem

Then don't buy it, crybabies.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 10:48 PM (NjBm8)

68 That is why I am not too worried about a war in Europe. Nobody has an army anymore.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:43 PM (baR5c)

Nobody in the West has an army anymore. Or a Navy. Or the will to use what it does have.
Counter-intuitively, that makes war more likely, if one country feels aggressive.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 06, 2015 10:49 PM (XmOA9)

69 I fap every day so I has way fresh sperm !!





Posted by: moron #73 at July 06, 2015 10:49 PM (PY/7D)

70 Ellen Pao sucks, period.

She's as stable as Crispin Glover on amphetamines, too. She'll literally have to burn the place to the ground before they even think about canning her skinny ass.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 06, 2015 10:49 PM (oFCZn)

71 47 That is why I am not too worried about a war in Europe. Nobody has an army anymore.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:43 PM (baR5c)




Could be some nasty hand-bagging going on, however.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:50 PM (oKE6c)

72 My evidence is anecdotal. A colleague and his wife have a child seriously autistic.

Wonderful folks. He an engineer. She a nurse. Both in their mid thirties at the time of conception.

Breaks my heart to think about it.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:50 PM (baR5c)

73 >>>Btw, there are no old sperm. Sperm are generated continuously, and turn over (IIRC) every few weeks. Eggs, however, can get old.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:48 PM (oKE6c)
-----
However, the sperm factory gets old.

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (LuM0n)

74 Re: the Slate article

As much as I'm into craft beer, I get the impression that a lot of craft brewers lean left. Go figure.

I hope any left-leaning craft brewers out there don't underestimate the power of a fully operational PC-attack on their industry.

I'm sure those of us on the right would welcome with open arms any brewers that decide to come over to our side of the ideological fence.

Posted by: Iasonas at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (DU875)

75 KBDaSCIENCE Guy ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/618103016462356480

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/618103459951341569

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/618103617111912448

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/618103766701707264

Posted by: kbdabear at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (GrXXa)

76 Autism is real but many diagnoses are not. It's just funny that autism diagnoses skyrocketed right after Rain Man. Weird, huh?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 10:46 PM (MYSVz)


I think autism is real, but it also seemed to skyrocket with single motherhood.

I think it could be a mix of genes and environment.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (oFCZn)

77 In the war of ideas Barack Obama has adopted a strategy of unilateral disarmament.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (NeFrd)

78 We haven't communicated well, and we have surprised moderators and the community with big changes. We have apologized and made promises to you, the moderators and the community, over many years, but time and again, we haven't delivered on them. When you've had feedback or requests, we haven't always been responsive. The mods and the community have lost trust in me and in us, the administrators of reddit. Today, we acknowledge this long history of mistakes. We are grateful for all you do for reddit, and the buck stops with me."

In a nutshell, you're incompetent. Either be fired, or resign.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (NjBm8)

79 Oh, in another thread some were wondering just how much of US debt has been monetized. As of the latest data, the Fed holds $2.46T of Ts on its balance sheet( and $1.73T of MBS shit). As of Friday, Debt Held by the Public stood at $13.10T. (Don't worry about the nonmarketable Intragov debt, which is the trillions of IOUs held by Social Security, federal employee and military pensions and Medicare -- it's all shit, and doesn't reflect the real money Uncle has borrowed from the bond market).

So, 2.46/13.1 = 18.8% So just under 1 in 5 dollars borrowed by the US govt, from the market (againt not counting the dollars the govt borrowed from you as SS taxes and all the crap -- it's nothing, it doesn't exist) has been monetized.

The Fed is largest single entity holder of US debt. China and Japan bounce back and forth between the largest other holder. About 50% of US debt is held by foreign entities. The rest is our own institutions, but with all the convoluted cross pollination between financial institutions, who really knows who's holding the net bag.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at July 06, 2015 10:52 PM (dvuhZ)

80 Moar KBDaSCIENCE Guy ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/618103913607266304

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/618104060546281472

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/618104278356480001

Posted by: kbdabear at July 06, 2015 10:53 PM (GrXXa)

81 [ insert snarky reference to Mahdism, Nazism, and communism here ]

Or what the British did in Malay, you know...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2015 10:53 PM (fYgrm)

82 Will the new UK aircraft carrier be outfitted with the F-35Bs?....

If so.......the ship might be ready long before the planes are.

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at July 06, 2015 10:53 PM (JoIcn)

83 What used to be called eccentric got called ADD, and then got called aspergers, and then got called autism

Whenever you have attention issues plus social issues you get a diagnosis of spectrum. It's a sliding scale. Only the most dysfunctional used to be called autistic. Now they call nearly all people on the spectrum autistic.

So while the terminology has changed, the behavior really hasn't. The change in terminology doesn't have to do with rain man. There was a movement in the diagnostic community to de stigmatize autism, and they applied it more broadly in the DSM.

But none of that means it isn't real. Most assuredly it is. There are clusters of these kids around Silicon Valley and nasa. It's the parents

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 10:53 PM (zOTsN)

84 Many disease seem to come in waves.

This is because of heightened awareness by the patient.
Heightened awareness by the doctor.
Entries in the Medical journals.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 10:54 PM (x3GpS)

85 g'night, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 06, 2015 10:54 PM (KCxzN)

86 Love the autistic intelligence analysts story. I truly believe everyone has something valuable to contribute in life.

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 10:55 PM (LuM0n)

87 Autism is real but many diagnoses are not. It's just funny that autism diagnoses skyrocketed right after Rain Man. Weird, huh?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 10:46 PM (MYSVz)


That's kind of what I was getting at. There are people with obvious problems. Then there are people are a bit odd in one respect or other, sometimes odd in a way that actually makes them extraordinarily well-suited to some pursuits - most notably math, science, and engineering. The fact that they are considered socially awkward by those with social butterflies with room temperature IQs does not necessarily mean that there is anything wrong with them. Hell, lots of scientists are socially maladroit. Maybe most of them.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:55 PM (oKE6c)

88 Sperm are generated continuously, and turn over (IIRC) every few weeks.


****

The individual sperm may be young but it is packed with aged DNA. Telomerase is a tough master. Sort of like using a Xerox copy as the master for the next copy. You do get degradation.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 10:55 PM (NeFrd)

89 "Why you Hmmm'n Ricardo? "


Thought it an odd comment. Poster apparently went Crazy Ivan in the aftermath.

It's pretty easy to no get sideways on this blog so when one does, well, yeah.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:55 PM (o5bK+)

90 Surprisingly good article about "Dune" from the Grauniad.

The Grauniad is of the Left. Herbert really wasn't. He was too smart for that - as readers of his densely politically-scienced books know. The Guardian reviewer here seems too smart for that too. (I hope he keeps his job.)

Also slipping through the cracks: Frank Herbert helped with South Vietnamese land-reform, in 1972. Yes, Vietnam was being won at the time. This is a huge theme of the "There Will Be War" series, at least vv. 2, 4, and 5 (not so much 6).

LOL'ed at this: About to turn 40, Herbert... Hey, I know another guy who wrote a big prophetic epic about the desert Arabs at around that age! Herbert didn't start a cult though.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo, crashing the ONT from the book-thread at July 06, 2015 10:56 PM (AVEe1)

91 In a nutshell, you're incompetent. Either be fired, or resign.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 10

Sounds like typical counter worker at a fast food joint

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 10:56 PM (xJGO2)

92 >>In a nutshell, you're incompetent. Either be fired, or resign.

And what's with the "we" bit - is it because she's also apologizing for things that happened before she came on as interim CEO?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 10:56 PM (NOIQH)

93 If your child is diagnosed with Autism, you get FREE-SHIT to deal with it.

Hence, a lot of Autism diagnoses the last couple of decades.

Your child could just be an idiot, but big gubmint is there to help you out if a doctor writes down the word "autism."


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:56 PM (baR5c)

94 The tears of reddit users sustain me.

Reddit is a wretched liberal hive of scum and villany.

There, I've worked 2 Star Wars paraphrased quotes into my comments tonight. And I don't even know why.

In an unrelated topic: Any of you 'rons try that "Not Your Father's Root Beer" yet? It's pretty good.

It's mostly sold out in NJ, but a store near my house has it. Heh heh heh...

Posted by: Iasonas at July 06, 2015 10:56 PM (DU875)

95 I think autism is real, but it also seemed to skyrocket with single motherhood.

I think it could be a mix of genes and environment.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (oFCZn)


Or, just a lot of false diagnoses.

The whole psychiatric field is off its rocker. What they've done with a lot fo the bullshit ADD/ADHD crap is nothing short of criminal. And they are pumping seriously strong psychoactive drugs into kids - and doing it at their schools, too. It's just too fucked up for words.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 10:56 PM (MYSVz)

96 Muldoon, Infidel, can you make it to the Morondezvous this Saturday?

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (LuM0n)

97 there's a tradeoff.

Research has shown that older parents do pass on more life survival skills to their offspring.

but younger parents produce healthier offspring.

It's a jungle out there.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (x3GpS)

98 Checking in.

Prayers, for son's two Marine Corps brothers who took their lives last couple of weeks and yesterday.

Dear God, give hold those young, suffering Marines in your arms. And their families, as well.

And that's all I've got tonight.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (FsuaD)

99 My child is autistic. There was no free shit. Our insurance offered 30 speech therapy sessions. Everything else has been out of pocket. For 17 years

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (zOTsN)

100 12 Obama at Pentagon: 'Twisted' ISIS Must be 'Discredited' as 'Ideologies are Not Defeated With Guns'

Yeah, right. Write mean letters to the editor about them. Then they'll realize that beheading people or burning them alive is a bad thing.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 10:58 PM (NjBm8)

101 "Will the new UK aircraft carrier be outfitted with the F-35Bs?...."


Read a few years ago that they'd frozen on the B because refiguring the decks would cost more than the change in contract. Then read last week the RN/RAF was re-deciding on the C.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:58 PM (o5bK+)

102 I managed to give a little bit of money to Mike Flynn tonight, after a few failed attempts on my default browser, by briefly switching to Internet Exploder. Feels good, man.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 10:58 PM (wKc1L)

103 I think autism is real, but it also seemed to skyrocket with single motherhood.



I think it could be a mix of genes and environment.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (oFCZn)


My zeroth guess: it's an epidemic of diagnoses, aka the "ants on a picnic" phenomenon. Once you start looking for something, you tend to find it everywhere. Especially with something as nebulous as psychological classification. I suspect that if some kid (probably a boy) colors outside the lines - bam! He gets diagnosed with something.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:59 PM (oKE6c)

104 Muldoon, Infidel, can you make it to the Morondezvous this Saturday?

****


Would like to, but I just got back from vacation, back working and on the wrong side of the mtns. Have fun y'all.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 10:59 PM (NeFrd)

105 Boulder Terlit Hobo, will we be seeing you this Saturday?

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 10:59 PM (LuM0n)

106 It's hard to hit refresh whilst eating bbq chicken.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 06, 2015 10:59 PM (tgnRB)

107 #thespicemustflow

Posted by: The Navigation Guild at July 06, 2015 10:59 PM (yYOXd)

108 I have an autistic son who does not communicate verbally, but with a letter board. There is nothing retarded about him. He is damn smart, and has tested that way. Genius-grade in math and memory. Repetitive mannerisms like pacing and spinning stuff will probably keep him from ever having a job. He is 35. I see a lot of quasi-autistic behavior in myself. I can latch on to a thing and pursue it to completion. If, of course, I want to. I tested at the 99th percentile at age 19 but don't think that really means intelligence. Especially considering all the bonehead moves I've done in the past. In fact, I can imagine our lives being reversed given just a tiny tweaking of our DNA. So, anyway, Israels clever use of autistic persons only makes them more cool in my eyes. May GOD Bless them.

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2015 10:59 PM (go5uR)

109 #99: Hi, Mindy! I'm looking forward to the Morondezvous, myself!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 10:59 PM (wKc1L)

110 Prayers up, Jane.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (iuQS7)

111 Well, shit. You mean ISIS is bad? How come no-one told me? I better cancel these tickets to Ankara then

Posted by: Sayful Jihad (19/m, Minneapolis) at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (AVEe1)

112 Muldoon we will. Sorry you won't be joining us.

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (LuM0n)

113 If I would have gone through the modern education
system I would likely have been diagnosed with ADHD. I probably have
some issues with OCD too. Have I struggled yes but have these issues made me better at what I do for a living I think yes. Some of these things are a double edged sword if you can push through them.

Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (1SHv1)

114 Boooo. MIGHTY ORIOLES lose in 10 innings to puny Scandi Twins.

Posted by: DC in River City at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (e+1S5)

115 Dune: In the beginning, you read where grasses were being planted to stabilize sand dunes.

You have to read all the way to the end of the Guardian article to get this :

Fifty years after Dune's publication, the US Department of Agriculture is still at work on the Oregon Dunes, rooting out European beach grass, an 'invasive non native species'. They want to return the dune processes to their natural state.

Posted by: Ollie Boxoffer at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (haA+G)

116 Yeah, right. Write mean letters to the editor about them. Then they'll
realize that beheading people or burning them alive is a bad thing.


Some say we should discredit ISIS in the arena of ideas, while others say we must subdue them with physical force.

But I say we should print our talking points and better ideas on bullets, artillery shells, and bombs and beat them with both simultaneously.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (UVfht)

117 Evening all.

Just saying hi, have to go to work but ball later.

Advocating armed rebellion is verboten here? Thanks for the heads up if so. I just don't see any peaceful solution.

Posted by: Blano at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (NHQQx)

118 There are clusters of these kids around Silicon Valley and nasa. It's the parents
Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 10:53 PM (zOTsN)


Yep. Geeks get jobs in geeky industries, meet other geeks, and so marry other geeks, intermingling geekish DNA, producing super geeks who will save us all.

I love me some geeks and never met an autistic kid I didn't love on sight.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (BVDFs)

119 Hi, PW! Glad you are planning to come!

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:01 PM (LuM0n)

120 I suspect that if some kid (probably a boy) colors outside the lines - bam! He gets diagnosed with something.
Posted by: Jay Guevara

Schools getting extra federal money for "special needs children" doesn't hurt either.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 06, 2015 11:01 PM (tgnRB)

121 Mindy: I hope so !

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 06, 2015 11:01 PM (AVEe1)

122 Oops back later.

Posted by: Blano at July 06, 2015 11:01 PM (uiVGU)

123 ..."And that's all I've got tonight."
-Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (FsuaD)

Love you, darlin'! Prayers Up and Keep the Faith!!!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:01 PM (OQ9R7)

124 100 there's a tradeoff.

Research has shown that older parents do pass on more life survival skills to their offspring.

but younger parents produce healthier offspring.

It's a jungle out there.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (x3GpS)

That's where grandparents should come in. Mom and Dad keep junior focused on day to day shit, and gramps teaches him the good stuff that expand his world.
--the way it used to be, when families weren't spread out coast to coast and were mostly intact.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 06, 2015 11:01 PM (XmOA9)

125 113
Prayers up, Jane.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:00 PM (iuQS7)


Thank you. More than you know.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 06, 2015 11:01 PM (FsuaD)

126 Pretty jet, it's configured for travel possibly to Red Flag. Travel pod under left wing and SUU pod under right
Those pods only carry practice bombs although they can also carry small rockets.

Posted by: Bill R. at July 06, 2015 11:01 PM (ZjvPR)

127 Oh... hello, ONT denizens!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:02 PM (OQ9R7)

128 Howdy, Tammy! Glad to see you on the thread!

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:02 PM (LuM0n)

129 Engineers, pilots, mathmeticians, musicians as parents


Lots of spectrum kids

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:02 PM (zOTsN)

130 Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2015 10:59 PM (go5uR)

God bless you both! I am of the belief that most people with super high intelligence are on the autism scale.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:02 PM (BVDFs)

131 Re: "Ideologies are not defeated with guns" - I quote the character Lt. Col. Jean V. Dubois (Ret.) from Starship Troopers:

"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue and thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never settles anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms."

Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (5z6T9)

132 Hi, Mindy! Just popping in a for a bit..how are you?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (BVDFs)

133 >>> Any 'rons or 'ettes here tonight in the Salt Lake City area? I'm considering going there the last weekend of July and would love to have a mini meetup.
Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 10:42 PM (LuM0n)

Butting Into ONT to say that would be fun! If it works with my schedule I'd love to do one. What are you planning on doing while in our blessed high country area?

Posted by: LizLem at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (WtH8C)

134 The only way to discredit ISIS is to demonstrate that their philosophy is a failure, and that means defeating them on the battlefield. As long as they continue to be victorious, or even just to hold on to their gains, they'll be seen as the strong horse and supporters will flock to them.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (10ydV)

135 The only way to discredit ISIS is to demonstrate that their philosophy is a failure, and that means defeating them on the battlefield. As long as they continue to be victorious, or even just to hold on to their gains, they'll be seen as the strong horse and supporters will flock to them.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (10ydV)

136 BTH, I hope so too!

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (LuM0n)

137 It was actually fairly hard to get our son diagnosed, even though he's about as classic a case as you can get. He was also premature and has a growth disorder so it all sort of swirls together.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (MYCIw)

138 "Advocating armed rebellion is verboten here? Thanks for the heads up if so. "


Ola, blano.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (o5bK+)

139 39 "NATO has long been dependent on the USAF"


Remember, NATO was buggered out trying to fly support for the Libyan civil war. Even the main players could only muster a dozen or so aircraft and the majority of their airlift was help from Uncle Sugar. EW, tanking was almost all U.S.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 10:41 PM (o5bK+)


IIRC, the French and British could only conduct one mission to Libya and then the US had to take over the whole thing.

That is NATO.

Britain has about 25 surface ships/subs
France has an aircraft carrier that can rarely leave port because of design problems
Spain and Italy each have an aircraft carrier that is the equivalent to one of our amphibious assault ships.

NATO is truly fucked as an organization.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (Z7G74)

140 The individual sperm may be young but it is packed
with aged DNA. Telomerase is a tough master. Sort of like using a
Xerox copy as the master for the next copy. You do get degradation.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 10:55 PM (NeFrd)

I thought telomerase was involved in ageing and neoplasia, but you're imputing a role in mutations?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (oKE6c)

141 The USDA - solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 06, 2015 11:04 PM (AVEe1)

142 That is why I am not too worried about a war in Europe. Nobody has an army anymore.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 10:43 PM (baR5c)


So the hippies were right!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 06, 2015 11:04 PM (W5DcG)

143 Well, I'm off to bed. Thanks to all the Horde who offered prayers to D'oh Boy's late buddies. And to whatever it takes to keep more young men from taking their lives.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 06, 2015 11:04 PM (FsuaD)

144 Hey Horde!


If you get a chance, please check out the sidebar ObamaCrap links. My co-blogger (henceforth to be known as Meatball, Jr) wrote it for The Federalist.


It's about Ohio's small group market, but you can bet the other 57 states are in line for a haircut, too.

Posted by: speedster1 at July 06, 2015 11:04 PM (1brdf)

145 And they are pumping seriously strong psychoactive drugs into kids - and doing it at their schools, too. It's just too fucked up for words.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair


This.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at July 06, 2015 11:04 PM (1eYr7)

146 15 I strongly suspect that a lot of "autism" stuff is crap. The ability to focus to a preternatural extent may be considered bizarre by well-rounded, "normal" observers, but then they're the people who empty the trash cans.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:33 PM (oKE6c)


It has become the malady du jour. I believe it exists, but the diagnosis is not very objective, and every time you turn around someone is telling you that they have a relative who is autistic or has Asperger's Syndrome. I can tell you as someone who used to teach elementary school, that the way the diagnosis of ADHD is thrown around, and Ritalin is prescribed, is disgusting. I think they're doing the same thing with autism.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 11:04 PM (NjBm8)

147 Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (FsuaD)

You can count in my prayers, Jane. And please add the family of a young National Guardsman in ND who took his life last week after returning from a rough deployment to yours, if you would.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (BVDFs)

148 WestminsterDogShow says we have to get 20 people for the Morondezvous after how hard she had to work to get us a meeting place.

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (LuM0n)

149 At least with autism they aren't drugging every fourth kid.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (NjBm8)

150 You said The only way to discredit ISIS is to demonstrate that their philosophy is a failure, and that means defeating them on the battlefield. As long as they continue to be victorious, or even just to hold on to their gains, they'll be seen as the strong horse and supporters will flock to them. twice.

Well, it needed to be said twice. (Or thrice.) For some reason people don't seem to "get" Arabs.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (AVEe1)

151 G'Night, Jane. Get better and be well, Ma'am.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (OQ9R7)

152 104 Ahh, haven't paid much attention to which versions are going where. Have to imagine the enemies of the Western world are smirking at the trillion dollar flying turd we're trying to get up & running.

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (JoIcn)

153 Goodnight, Jane. Sending up prayers.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (MYCIw)

154 BTW, I didn't mean to implay that ADD/ADHD is not real. I have no doubt that it is. But they diagnose 25000% of the actual ADD cases, to lowball it.

I mean, if anyone knew the tests and "symptoms" they look for to determine ADD they'd laugh their heads off. And then the psychiatrists rush to pump the newly diagnosed kids up with drugs that they have NO IDEA what the mechanism is (as is true with just about all psychiatric drugs - as it would have to be as we know so little about the actual functioning of the brain) and give little thought to the side-effects.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (MYSVz)

155 Smart, huge memory, specialized interests, pacing, rocking back and forth, can't look people in the eye, can't make friends, can't have conversations but monologue

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:06 PM (zOTsN)

156 >>Whenever you have attention issues plus social issues you get a diagnosis of spectrum. It's a sliding scale. Only the most dysfunctional used to be called autistic. Now they call nearly all people on the spectrum autistic.

Yeah, the special ed teachers at my son's public school tried to tell us he was on the spectrum. He's developmentally delayed because he had numerous operations while young, and prior to turning three he was operation on ~70% blood oxygenation. It's quite common among kids who have this experience. We've had him tested and placed him in a private school for kids who just need teaching methods alternative to public schools and he's doing quite well. What I took away from the experience was that "on the spectrum" is an easy, or possibly default diagnosis from school folks for kids who are not excelling/have attention issues in that particular environment.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 11:06 PM (NOIQH)

157 "Re: "Ideologies are not defeated with guns" - I quote the character Lt. Col. Jean V. Dubois (Ret.) from Starship Troopers:"



Those bugs certainly understood ideology and the fallacies of their own.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:06 PM (o5bK+)

158 Prayers are on the way, Jane.

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:06 PM (LuM0n)

159 Ola Ricardo!

How's life in Arlington tonight? Or is that where you work? I forgot which town you live in, sorry.

Posted by: Blano at July 06, 2015 11:06 PM (uiVGU)

160 The Europeans may not have large armies, but building an army doesn't take that long.

Building a disciplined army that won't rape and pillage everything in conquered territory, on the other hand...

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2015 11:07 PM (10ydV)

161 Robot Duel Update: Suidobashi has accepted the challenge. This could be the start of a really awesome spectator sport.

http://tinyurl.com/o7q4y8r


Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:07 PM (HalrA)

162 Tonight's post brought to you by the A-10 Warthog:



I have one word for you, and one word only:


BR-AAAAAAAP!

Posted by: pookysgirl can walk around the block (with a stroller) at July 06, 2015 11:07 PM (IJeUX)

163 151
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (FsuaD)



You can count in my prayers, Jane. And please add the family of a
young National Guardsman in ND who took his life last week after
returning from a rough deployment to yours, if you would.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (BVDFs)


You got it. Prayers for all our troops. And for their precious families, damn it all. Heartbreak.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 06, 2015 11:07 PM (FsuaD)

164 Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:05 PM (MYCIw)

How are you??!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:08 PM (BVDFs)

165 "At least with autism they aren't drugging every fourth kid."

Some doctors will drug kids to cut down on the self stimulating behaviors like rocking/humming ect.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:08 PM (MYCIw)

166 Thank you, Jane.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:08 PM (BVDFs)

167 There may be something to the whole assburgers and austinitic spectrum stuff, but our friendly neighbourhood therapists have turned it into a whole industry of horse shit, so we'll never know.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at July 06, 2015 11:08 PM (Q819Q)

168 There,is tremendous comorbidity of ADD and autism

I have never met an autistic kid who isn't also on medication. And needs it

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:09 PM (zOTsN)

169 Defy despair, Jane. Use it. Let it turn.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:09 PM (OQ9R7)

170 I want a A-10 Warthog of my very own.

Posted by: Hank at July 06, 2015 11:09 PM (IIAlb)

171 "How are you??!"

Hanging in there still. Barely. Haha.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:10 PM (MYCIw)

172 I thought telomerase was involved in ageing and neoplasia, but you're imputing a role in mutations?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:03 PM (oKE6c)

***

I didn't state it very elegantly, but each copy of a strand of DNA results in shortening of the terminal sequences, the telomere. I think this increases the chance of mutations with age of the DNA. Neoplasia is just a mutation after all.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 06, 2015 11:10 PM (NeFrd)

173 >>Building a disciplined army that won't rape and pillage everything in conquered territory, on the other hand...


Rape? Why not just call the UN?

Posted by: Garrett at July 06, 2015 11:10 PM (VNBi0)

174 "War is not the best way of settling differences; it is the only way of preventing their being settled for you."--G. K. Chesterton

*waves to Miss Tammy*

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:10 PM (iuQS7)

175 Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:10 PM (MYCIw)

Still having close contractions??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:11 PM (BVDFs)

176 Btw, there are no old sperm. Sperm are generated continuously, and turn over (IIRC) every few weeks. Eggs, however, can get old.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 10:48 PM (oKE6c)


I would bet that the hoard turns their sperm over on a daily basis.

Amirite?

#fapfapfap

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 06, 2015 11:11 PM (Z7G74)

177 IANAG


(Geneticist)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 06, 2015 11:11 PM (NeFrd)

178 What I want to know is what happened to all the hysteria among girls? That was such a serious mental illness in the 19th century ... and then it just disappeared ... almost as if it was just fashionable for a time ...

I guess they traded it out for anorexia.

There are true, serious mental illnesses and then there is the current fashion of psychologists and psychiatrists - which seems to affect the population, or at least be diagnosed that way.

When psychiatrists come up with a fairly new mental disease (or a new interpretation of one) and all of a sudden more than 10% of the population seems to have it, you really have to think hard about how real it all is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 11:11 PM (MYSVz)

179 *waves at Elizabeth, grinning like a fool*

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:11 PM (BVDFs)

180 Prayers Jane and thank you for keeping them in our thoughts

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:11 PM (zOTsN)

181 "That is NATO. "


Twenty-five years ago NATO could bring some serious pain. France/UK/German/Italy etc. 500 combat aircraft apiece, 500-1000 MBTs, 30-45 surface combatants.

Sad today. All spent on social welfare.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:13 PM (o5bK+)

182 Reddit talks like a fag and its shit's all retarded

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 06, 2015 11:13 PM (7RXcs)

183 "Still having close contractions??"

Yeah, at this point it feels like I'll just be having contractions forever for the rest of my life. It's not so bad during the day, but at night things definitely get challenging.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:13 PM (MYCIw)

184 I Tremendous Comorbidity of ADD open for Corrosion of Conformity at the old Waldorf back in 97!

Posted by: Garrett at July 06, 2015 11:13 PM (VNBi0)

185 158 Smart, huge memory, specialized interests, pacing, rocking back and forth, can't look people in the eye, can't make friends, can't have conversations but monologue
Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:06 PM (zOTsN)




So you've been to a STEM faculty meeting too?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:14 PM (oKE6c)

186 "How's life in Arlington tonight?"


Close enough. Hot. Humid.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:14 PM (o5bK+)

187 All spent on social welfare.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:13 PM (o5bK+)

And we're enabling it by continuing to provide defense for the entire Western world thanks to these alliances. They would be bankrupted even faster if they had to maintain a fully functional military.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:14 PM (HalrA)

188 *sniff*. Is that ozone I smell?

Posted by: DC in River City at July 06, 2015 11:14 PM (e+1S5)

189 all the hysteria among girls?

They took it on Tumblr and screeched at anyone who dared call them on it.

Miss Tammy, novel writing proceeds apace! I'm hoping to have a finished draft by month's end. (Kind of have to shelve it by then regardless so's I can focus on class prep for the fall.)

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:14 PM (iuQS7)

190 Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:13 PM (MYCIw)

Pretty sure I'd have to be killing people by now if I were you.

When is your due date?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:14 PM (BVDFs)

191 I want a A-10 Warthog of my very own.
Posted by: Hank


I'm an A-1 warthog and available for long hot showers.

Posted by: Pumbaa at July 06, 2015 11:15 PM (1eYr7)

192 My wife has forbidden me from ejaculating within a 15 foot radius of our laptop. The repair bills were getting troublesome (not to mention embarrassing).

Sorry.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 06, 2015 11:15 PM (7RXcs)

193 I didn't state it very elegantly, but each copy of a strand of DNA results in shortening of the terminal sequences, the telomere. I think this increases the chance of mutations with age of the DNA. Neoplasia is just a mutation after all.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 06, 2015 11:10 PM (NeFrd)


No. It's just the copying, itself, that allows for the introduction of mutations (most of which are errors, by our point of view). Time just compounds these mutations in later copies.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 11:15 PM (MYSVz)

194 Evening morons, how fares the horde?

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 06, 2015 11:15 PM (Gosad)

195 Miss Tammy, novel writing proceeds apace! I'm hoping to have a finished draft by month's end.
(Kind of have to shelve it by then regardless so's I can focus on class prep for the fall.)
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:14 PM (iuQS7)


SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

I have been missing the Book Thread lately, so thanks for the update! You must be enjoying it, to be so far along!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:16 PM (BVDFs)

196 >>179 Btw, there are no old sperm. Sperm are generated continuously, and turn over (IIRC) every few weeks



Slacker.

Posted by: Garrett at July 06, 2015 11:16 PM (VNBi0)

197 Has anyone heard that Putin trolled our Boy-King on Independence Day?
The "Non-Soviets" did a fly-by of the California coast with long range bombers while Putin was on the phone with "Golfie"; wishing him a Happy 4th.

...we had to scramble fighters.

Putin: Reagan + Evil!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:16 PM (OQ9R7)

198 Einstein, Bill Gates blah blah blah

All on the spectrum

The name autism isn't all that helpful because it can mean completely nonverbal to Einstein.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:17 PM (zOTsN)

199 I have to work too Mindy. The long drive is a killer. Hoist one for me and have a great time.

Posted by: Infidel at July 06, 2015 11:17 PM (54D5/)

200 #159: Once a condition is discovered, a spectrum is created in the hopes of increasing the number of diagnoses so as to create a false emergency and force government action that includes lots of spending and increased powers for the petty bureaucrats.

We saw this with ADD, resulting in boys being given ritalin to cure them of their boyishness. We saw it with obesity, resulting in federally-mandated school lunch programs that leave healthy kids still hungry after eating. Now we're seeing it with autism.

We're also seeing a related phenomenon with "asexuals". These are people demanding "equal" rights to put them on par with gays and straights, and they've created a spectrum that includes "heteroromantic demisexuals", which means people who are attracted to the opposite sex and won't sleep with someone unless they're in a committed relationship. This is what we used to call "normal and healthy and even admirable". But now they're an oppressed minority that has to resort to identity politics just to excuse themselves from having to whore it up just to fit in.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 11:17 PM (wKc1L)

201 "Evening morons, how fares the horde?"
-Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 06, 2015 11:15 PM (Gosad)

Despite all the ancillary nonsense? I'm okay. How's life treating you, amigo?

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:17 PM (OQ9R7)

202 "When is your due date?"

The 18th, but the C-section is scheduled for the 16th so at least I have an end date.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:18 PM (MYCIw)

203 (pre-emptive fake hillary picture interjection! )

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2015 11:18 PM (fYgrm)

204 Twenty-five years ago NATO could bring some serious pain. France/UK/German/Italy etc. 500 combat aircraft apiece, 500-1000 MBTs, 30-45 surface combatants.

Sad today. All spent on social welfare.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:13 PM (o5bK+)


The second the Berlin Wall fell, the Euros went crazy.

Also, look for their infrastructure to start deteriorating in the next 15-20 years. They got all that nice shit built on our dime 70 years ago, and it's about time for it to start falling apart.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 06, 2015 11:18 PM (Z7G74)

205 "Putin: Reagan + Evil!"


Except I'd say Reagan was not evil and Putin is not about freedom.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:18 PM (o5bK+)

206 Tyranny and Mutation

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 06, 2015 11:18 PM (W5DcG)

207 Hi all
that pic looks very appropriate for Shark Week

Posted by: chemjeff at July 06, 2015 11:19 PM (2XMpf)

208 199 I know. It's like some people don't even try.

Whoops.....there I go again!!!

Posted by: Onan at July 06, 2015 11:19 PM (JoIcn)

209 When psychiatrists come up with a fairly new mental
disease (or a new interpretation of one) and all of a sudden more than
10% of the population seems to have it, you really have to think hard
about how real it all is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 11:11 PM (MYSVz)

That was my point. We don't have fainting couches any more, hysteria is no longer diagnosed (but maybe it should be; Sulkowicz, I'm looking at you), but now the malady du jour per nerdygirl is Asperger's/ autism/ ADHD.
Seriously, all joking aside, a hefty proportion of math and science faculty would probably be diagnosed today. One of the most brilliant theoreticians I knew used to grab a strand of hair and bounce his hand on his head while he talked, thought, or walked. Slightly odd, but often endearing, behaviors are common among science faculty. We joke about them ourselves.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:19 PM (oKE6c)

210 Evening horde.

*got nothing

Except why do I go to a gym with absolutely nothing to look at

*sorry, should have included a trigger warning

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2015 11:20 PM (XAFOu)

211 Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:18 PM (MYCIw)

Ugh, still seems like long time to suffer so much. But yes, at least there's an end date.

Hang in there!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:20 PM (BVDFs)

212 The name autism isn't all that helpful because it can mean completely nonverbal to Einstein.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:17 PM (zOTsN)

Yeah, we need a cooler name for the really high function version. Something like Mad Scientist Syndrome or something. I could get behind a label like that, people have always suspected I'd become a Bond villain, and they kinda seem disappointed that I don't have a volcano lair and minions yet.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:20 PM (HalrA)

213 "The second the Berlin Wall fell, the Euros went crazy. "


Man, the day they realize they can't work 35-hour weeks AND collect fat government checks the shit is going to hit the fan.


*Cough*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:21 PM (o5bK+)

214 High IQ, tendancy to do weird shit, but smart enough to recognize those tendancies and counteract them.


Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at July 06, 2015 11:21 PM (Q819Q)

215 Anyone catch the bit about the dude with a Panther tank and flak 88 in his basement?

Posted by: otho at July 06, 2015 11:21 PM (d8udV)

216
Nobody in the West has an army anymore. Or a Navy. Or the will to use what it does have.
Counter-intuitively, that makes war more likely, if one country feels aggressive.


It's not counter-intuitive to anyone who has STUDIED MORE THAN 5 MINUTES OF HISTORY! Sheesh.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 06, 2015 11:21 PM (7TK5d)

217 "Except I'd say Reagan was not evil and Putin is not about freedom."
-Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:18 PM (o5bK+)

Not what I meant. My equation needs work, perhaps.

Putin is a Soviet, as Reagan was a Patriot. If Reagan was to troll the Soviets, he'd do the same thing.

...except Reagan wasn't evil.

You made me type all that out, so the next time I see you, you owe me a beer.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:21 PM (OQ9R7)

218 You must be enjoying it, to be so far along!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:16 PM (BVDFs)


Oh, I am! A certain character is very badly twitterpated, and it's been so much fun to write.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:22 PM (iuQS7)

219 I would probably have been "on the spectrum" as a kid (difficulty making friends, socially awkward, fidgety, rocking, etc), then I discovered a miracle cure: alcohol. Now I'm a fully semi-functioning member of society.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 06, 2015 11:22 PM (tgnRB)

220 But now they're an oppressed minority that has to
resort to identity politics just to excuse themselves from having to
whore it up just to fit in.


Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 11:17 PM (wKc1L)

They might be on to something. If you can't change the tune, win the dance-off anyway.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:22 PM (HalrA)

221 How bad are things in Greece?

That's not the point. The point is they are still trying to find a negotiated solution. They are still willing to loan more money to Greece if only Greeze will agree to some budget changes.

According to 'serve and volley' rules for negotiation, Greece now has the serve, and must present an idea to the Euro Zone masters.

Posted by: Ollie Boxoffer at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (haA+G)

222 "The name autism isn't all that helpful because it can mean completely nonverbal to Einstein.
"

Yeah that always cracked me up on parenting forums dedicated to kids with speech delays and that sort of thing.

"Einstein didn't talk til he was 3 and look at how he turned out!"

Me: Uh...autistic?

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (MYCIw)

223 Seriously, all joking aside, a hefty proportion of math and science faculty would probably be diagnosed today. One of the most brilliant theoreticians I knew used to grab a strand of hair and bounce his hand on his head while he talked, thought, or walked. Slightly odd, but often endearing, behaviors are common among science faculty. We joke about them ourselves.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:19 PM (oKE6c)


Yep. If anything resembling modern psychiatry had been around through history pretty much every genius would have been drugged out of his mind and left bereft of ideas. We'd still be hunter/gatherers, at best.

Prog Heaven.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (MYSVz)

224 "Except why do I go to a gym with absolutely nothing to look at "



Indeed. You should have some physical stimulation with your workout.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (o5bK+)

225 It's not counter-intuitive to anyone who has STUDIED MORE THAN 5 MINUTES OF HISTORY! Sheesh.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 06, 2015 11:21 PM (7TK5d)

I give you the TFG administration.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (XAFOu)

226 97 I think autism is real, but it also seemed to skyrocket with single motherhood.
I think it could be a mix of genes and environment.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 06, 2015 10:51 PM (oFCZn)


Are some of these low income, single moms who could improve their financial situation with disability money? There are people out there who really know how to play the system. Traditional welfare plus disability adds up to a pretty good income.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (NjBm8)

227 Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 06, 2015 11:22 PM (tgnRB)

*High-Five!*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (OQ9R7)

228 Oh, I am! A certain character is very badly twitterpated, and it's been so much fun to write.

Hah, is the character a Ginger! ?!

I can't wait to hold your book in my hands!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (BVDFs)

229 Dear A-1 warthog available for long hot showers,

Long hot showers are verboten and socially unacceptable in theses times of global warmening drought.

Can we settle on a sponge bath?

Posted by: Hank at July 06, 2015 11:24 PM (IIAlb)

230 depending on the level of impairment, autistics have trouble getting and keeping jobs

That's why this IDF program was so moving to me

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:24 PM (zOTsN)

231 You know how I cured women of hysteria back in my day?

*wink*

Nice work if you can get it!

Posted by: 19th century doctor with a vibrator the size of a Buick at July 06, 2015 11:24 PM (JoIcn)

232 LizLem, my husband's band is playing for the Days of '47 event after the rodeo. I will probably have some free time midday on Saturday the 25th.

Are you on the yahoo group?

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:24 PM (LuM0n)

233 "You made me type all that out, so the next time I see you, you owe me a beer."


Hehehe.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:25 PM (o5bK+)

234 Another gifted scientist was notorious for never having his shirt buttoned correctly. He always lost phase coherence, so the Nth button went through the N+1th buttonhole. The upshot was that a collar was always sticking him in the face, and he would absent-mindedly brush it away - repeatedly - as he talked.


Of course, he typically wore the same shirt for a week, and obviously slept in it, because the same problem would persist for that week.


I hate to think how much they'd bomb him today with psychoactive drugs. He couldn't do decent science any more, but would be lighting up Twitter with the other imbeciles.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:25 PM (oKE6c)

235 Yep. If anything resembling modern psychiatry had
been around through history pretty much every genius would have been
drugged out of his mind and left bereft of ideas. We'd still be
hunter/gatherers, at best.



Prog Heaven.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 11:23 PM (MYSVz)

Normal people don't change the world. This is why the Left hates nonconformists. They win the game and us weirdos keep changing the rules.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:26 PM (HalrA)

236 LizLem, it seems like Y-not is in the area as well. Have you met her?

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:26 PM (LuM0n)

237 They used to call aspergers "little professor syndrome"


Turing was no doubt on the spectrum

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:27 PM (zOTsN)

238 101 Checking in.

Prayers, for son's two Marine Corps brothers who took their lives last couple of weeks and yesterday.

Dear God, give hold those young, suffering Marines in your arms. And their families, as well.

And that's all I've got tonight.


Another one Jane? Oh no no no!

Posted by: Weirddave at July 06, 2015 11:27 PM (7TK5d)

239 >>
"Einstein didn't talk til he was 3 and look at how he turned out!"



'He can talk just fine. He just doesn't have anything to say to you.'

Posted by: Garrett's Doctor to his Parents at July 06, 2015 11:27 PM (VNBi0)

240 102 My child is autistic. There was no free shit. Our insurance offered 30 speech therapy sessions. Everything else has been out of pocket. For 17 years
Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 10:57 PM (zOTsN)


I'm going to assume you're not a single mom living off the system. Single or married, I'll bet you are self-supporting. Welfare people DO get their kids diagnosed with various disabilities to get Disability payments. And I'm not against giving disability to a parent who has a child with something like cerebral palsy that completely turns the parent's life upside down. But giving people disability for some of the stuff they're getting it for, is ridiculous.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 11:28 PM (NjBm8)

241 You made me type all that out, so the next time I see you, you owe me a beer.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:21 PM (OQ9R7)

We all owe you a beer. Now you just have to collect

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 11:28 PM (xJGO2)

242 Jane, that is so awful!!!!

Posted by: chemjeff at July 06, 2015 11:28 PM (2XMpf)

243 Didn't see Jane's post but prayers up.

Praying He welcomes them into his arms.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2015 11:28 PM (XAFOu)

244 #223: Yep, and I'm not throwing rocks at them or anything for it. I just think it's a shame they have to do that to prevent ostracism as prudes and probable Republicans for not sleeping with just anyone who looks at them.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 11:29 PM (wKc1L)

245 Still swearing and blaspheming my way through Arkham Knight. Goddam stupid motherf*cking shitty-ass Batmobile.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 11:29 PM (a4pJj)

246 "He can talk just fine. He just doesn't have anything to say to you."


And, maybe at three he thought he was just wasting his time.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:29 PM (o5bK+)

247 I can't say as I have known any autistic kids with single moms; the ones I know had geeky parents.

ADHD, now.... definitely, and I'd say much of that was misdiagnosed, and stemmed from a complete lack of discipline at home. All children need a father, especially rambunctious little boys.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:29 PM (BVDFs)

248 Slightly odd, but often endearing, behaviors are common among science faculty. We joke about them ourselves.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
----------------
Chem Prof. I worked with was bizarre. Very bright man, but impossible to engage in any normal way. I once passed him trudging back from the student center with his jacket half on and half off, head down, lost in thought. I think he got half way through putting his jacket on, and just slipped away onto another plane.

I ran into him on another occasion, walking along holding a paper bag. I said "Hello", and he looked up and said, "I'll bet you think that I have a chicken in this bag". How the hell does one respond to that?

Weird, weird dude. But brought in the grant money.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 06, 2015 11:30 PM (9mTYi)

249 I hate to think how much they'd bomb him today with
psychoactive drugs. He couldn't do decent science any more, but would be
lighting up Twitter with the other imbeciles.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:25 PM (oKE6c)

And that's not an accident. Keep the population controlled, stupid, and addicted to something that can also be used as a control lever. I'm glad my parents kept me away from the shrinks, I had to learn to deal with my issues myself. While that wasn't a pleasant or easy process, it really beats what I'd have probably become if I was put on ritalin or worse, like all of the other hard-to-handle kids in my age range.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:30 PM (HalrA)

250 Seriously, all joking aside, a hefty proportion of math and science faculty would probably be diagnosed today. One of the most brilliant theoreticians I knew used to grab a strand of hair and bounce his hand on his head while he talked, thought, or walked. Slightly odd, but often endearing, behaviors are common among science faculty. We joke about them ourselves.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:19 PM (oKE6c)


I think you're getting hung up on the word diagnosis. A psychiatrist might assess someone as being on the autism scale but unless it's causing them problems or making them unhappy, there's no need for treatment. And yes a lot of math and science faculty would get assessed this way. But clearly they're successful and functioning albeit odd and quirky.

And a little Aspie in fact can be useful in certain fields. The ability to deeply focus, even obsess, on something is often what it takes to make a make a breakthrough or just grind through enough stuff to finally get a useful result. I suspect this is why autism hasn't been completely selected out of the gene pool.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 06, 2015 11:30 PM (pAlYe)

251 Hah, is the character a Ginger! ?!

Well, no, but he is a Scot....

I can't wait to hold your book in my hands!

Eeee, thank you! I'll make sure to announce on the book thread and the ONT when it's available.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:31 PM (iuQS7)

252 I can't speak for all situations, just mine. I don't hang out with moms fluent in free shit. I know that happens. The parents I know of kids with autism fight every day to create independence and a life for their autistic kid. That's all

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:31 PM (zOTsN)

253 242 They used to call aspergers "little professor syndrome"


Turing was no doubt on the spectrum
Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:27 PM (zOTsN)

The most important thing about him was, of course, that he was teh ghey.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 11:31 PM (a4pJj)

254 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?

Posted by: chemjeff at July 06, 2015 11:32 PM (2XMpf)

255 259 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 06, 2015 11:32 PM (2XMpf)

ADD

Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 11:33 PM (a4pJj)

256 ADHD, now.... definitely, and I'd say much of that
was misdiagnosed, and stemmed from a complete lack of discipline at
home. All children need a father, especially rambunctious little boys.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:29 PM (BVDFs)

Much of ADHD was nothing more than being a rambunctious little boy, which teachers and school administrators hated dealing with. They tried really hard to get my parents to take me to a shrink, and they wouldn't have it. I'm eternally grateful. Ritalin was a big weapon in the war on masculinity. Just drug up the boys so they act like girls.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:33 PM (HalrA)

257 "We all owe you a beer. Now you just have to collect."
-Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 11:28 PM (xJGO2)

*HAH!*

The ghost of Andrew Jackson speaks!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (OQ9R7)

258 Eeee, thank you! I'll make sure to announce on the book thread and the ONT when it's available.
Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:31 PM (iuQS7)


Please do, I seriously can't wait!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (BVDFs)

259 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?
Posted by: chemjeff
--------------

"Indifference"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (9mTYi)

260 "So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?"
-Posted by: chemjeff at July 06, 2015 11:32 PM (2XMpf)

I forgot.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (OQ9R7)

261 Thanks, Infidel. Hope to meet you someday!

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (LuM0n)

262 You know what? I wish I was as smart as my dog thinks I am.

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (go5uR)

263 250 Still swearing and blaspheming my way through Arkham Knight. Goddam stupid motherf*cking shitty-ass Batmobile.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 11:29 PM (a4pJj)

The game?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (XAFOu)

264 Prayers and blessings to you, Jane, to your son and to his dear friends. May love surround you at this time.

Posted by: LizLem at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (WtH8C)

265 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?
Posted by: chemjeff

A hangover.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at July 06, 2015 11:35 PM (cygkw)

266 The IDF story was touching.
But how many time did they have to tell me these troops were on the autism spectrum.
I got it.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 06, 2015 11:35 PM (08Znv)

267 259 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 06, 2015 11:32 PM (2XMpf)

Erectile Dysfunction

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 11:35 PM (xJGO2)

268 #259: I'm sorry; what were you asking, again?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 11:35 PM (wKc1L)

269 Turing was no doubt on the spectrum

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:27 PM (zOTsN)

Seriously, half of my colleagues are probably on the spectrum. Hell, I'm not so sure I'm not on it. The tendency/ability to focus on a problem, to the exclusion of everything else, until the problem is solved characterizes science faculty. That's probably one of the diagnostic criteria, and almost all of us have it. But do we really want to crush that out of people?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:35 PM (oKE6c)

270 "How the hell does one respond to that?
"


Ray, when a Prof asks you if think they have a chicken in their bag you say "Yes!"





Posted by: Winston Z. at July 06, 2015 11:36 PM (o5bK+)

271 268 250 Still swearing and blaspheming my way through Arkham Knight. Goddam stupid motherf*cking shitty-ass Batmobile.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 11:29 PM (a4pJj)

The game?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2015 11:34 PM (XAFOu)

Yep. The game itself is beautiful. The over reliance on the Batmobile to clear key stages of the game and the shit driving controls are infuriating.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 11:36 PM (a4pJj)

272 "The parents I know of kids with autism fight every day to create independence and a life for their autistic kid"

*high five*

My husband and I joke, though it's not really a joke, that we just want to make it so our son can choose if he wants to live in a genius autistic commune or the real world, and not be forced into the former due to his complete lack of social skills.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:36 PM (MYCIw)

273 259
So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?


Posted by: chemjeff at July 06, 2015 11:32 PM (2XMpf)
Multitasking. Now quit making me do it so I can get work done.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:36 PM (HalrA)

274 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?

Posted by: chemjeff



Depression, boredom, or being faced with an unworthy problem.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:36 PM (oKE6c)

275 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?

Cataracts.

Posted by: t-bird at July 06, 2015 11:37 PM (FcR7P)

276 Whut?

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:37 PM (OQ9R7)

277 "I forgot."



I know this. It's whathefcuk. Shit. I know this.

Posted by: Winston Z. at July 06, 2015 11:38 PM (o5bK+)

278 >>>A hangover.

Shit, you beat me to it. I'm losing my focus. It's probably the scotch's fault.

Posted by: DC in River City at July 06, 2015 11:38 PM (e+1S5)

279 "Are some of these low income, single moms who could improve their
financial situation with disability money? There are people out there
who really know how to play the system."

Any "underprivileged" neighborhood is full of mothers busily cashing SSI "crazy checks" for their children, many of said children having been actively coached before being diagnosed.

It's almost as though people respond to financial incentives.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 11:38 PM (noWW6)

280 I do Technical work Continuing Education meetings for Docs. For a time about 6-7 years ago there was a phrase thrown around called Oppositional Defiance Disorder. Basically, kid would not listen to you. There were actual Clinical discussions about how to "treat" this disorder.

My parents could have clued them in within 2 or 3 sentences, no drugs required.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 06, 2015 11:39 PM (2z4UX)

281 We know we will not live forever and I am driven to make him as independent as possible for himself and his siblings. And I worry about his loneliness

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:39 PM (zOTsN)

282 >>259 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?




Depends.

If the something is fat away, you are likely near-sighted.

Posted by: Garrett is not a trained Eye Doctor at July 06, 2015 11:39 PM (VNBi0)

283 You want your own A-10 Warthog.

You'd take a Cessna Caravan with a 7.62 minigun under the wing.

You'll get a parachute and a peashooter

If you're lucky, it'll be the one with the shoulder thing whut goes up.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 06, 2015 11:39 PM (RzZOc)

284 Get away Winston Z.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:39 PM (o5bK+)

285 Yep. The game itself is beautiful. The over reliance on the Batmobile to clear key stages of the game and the shit driving controls are infuriating.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 11:36 PM (a4pJj)

Yeah, very few games can pull off a regular geme and add in driving as well.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2015 11:40 PM (XAFOu)

286 Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 06, 2015 11:33 PM (HalrA)

EXACTLY!!!! OMG, you do not want to get me started.

I worked in child care for many, many, many years; all ages. I always took the so-called rowdy boys, because I have 8 brothers and nothing phases me.

In all thjose years, there was only one boy I couldn't handle, and that's because he'd run off. Like, out the door and into the street, or jump off the bus, or whatever. He had serious mental issues, though.

Those other boys, please. They were boys, for fucks sake.

I always told the parents that their boys were fine, maybe THEY were the ones who needed the medication.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:40 PM (BVDFs)

287 All children need a father, especially rambunctious little boys.>>>

My 3 yr old grandson mostly just needs structure. His pussy father and my daughter being a whiny little bitch are not a good mix for this kid to become a successful member of society. I'm hoping for the best though since he seems fairly smart if it is something he cares about.

Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (1SHv1)

288 "Ritalin was a big weapon in the war on masculinity. Just drug up the boys so they act like girls."

Next, testosterone suppressing meds.

Get rid of all that nonconforming boisterous boyhood.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (noWW6)

289 You know Vox is actually partly right. The problem is that Pao is a woman with an inferiority complex so she needs to overcompensate by proving she's "strong like a man." Either sex can be a raging asshole of a boss but it does seem like the asshole women behave in a special way.

Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (zt+N6)

290 So much for the angst over my new job being a bust. Got canned today. By the asshat weiner that runs the office. But first, he had me clean up the office "because we are having a client in."

Let's hope he rusts in that ivory tower of his, all alone.

Turns out he really was threatened by having a competent woman around the office.

I'm thinking that having a Napoleon complex on top of his wife being a urologist and feeling up half the men in town probably tipped the balance against me. I discovered what a crappy designer he is and what a lousy job he does for clients, and we just can't have that, can we?

I did NOT let the door hit me in the ass on the way out, but the somewhat absent partner did call me later and say that he was reconsidering his partnership after what I said about how the little prick set me up to fail. I guess he really didn't know how miniscule his partner's dick is. Curioser and curioser.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (+YMhA)

291 So I saw that movie about Turing and I couldn't help but think he was so lonely and fell in love with the first person that was nice to him, sort of imprinting him

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (zOTsN)

292 I read someplace that Cruz is kinda smart. If he is presenting something as a serious proposition, he may be onto something.

Posted by: OCBill at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (VCCXE)

293 But do we really want to crush that out of people?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:35 PM (oKE6c)


Huh? Who's crushing Asperger's (or autism spectrum or whatever they call it now) out of people? As if that's even possible.

Mostly it's about helping them learn how to function with other people and explicitly teaching them about social cues and unspoken rules. Which is a good thing and in no way crushes their talents.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 06, 2015 11:42 PM (pAlYe)

294 >>"How the hell does one respond to that?"


In Austrian.


Posted by: Garrett is not a trained Eye Doctor at July 06, 2015 11:42 PM (VNBi0)

295 "You'd take a Cessna Caravan with a 7.62 minigun under the wing. "


A Caravan with a mini-gun would not be so bad. Good turbro-prop from the 90s with a killer 30-06 mini-gun.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:42 PM (o5bK+)

296 There's a certain whatchamacallit about a thingamajig that I can't quite grasp.

...so I continue on the you know, the whatever, so as to make my way through another blah-blah-blah.

-I get by.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:42 PM (OQ9R7)

297 So what is it called if you have a hard time focusing on something?

Posted by: chemjeff


Weed.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2015 11:43 PM (fYgrm)

298 Those other boys, please. They were boys, for fucks sake.

I always told the parents that their boys were fine, maybe THEY were the ones who needed the medication.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:40 PM (BVDFs)

My sister could sense the way the wind was blowing with her boy, and say, without even looking up, "Ari, go run three miles and come back."

Worked like a charm. No meds required.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:43 PM (+YMhA)

299 I think I have missed some comments directed my way. My apologies. I'm not ignoring you; I'm just trying to scan the thread quickly so I can get to bed soon.

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:43 PM (LuM0n)

300 "If your child is diagnosed with Autism, you get FREE-SHIT to deal with it.



Posted by: Grampa Jimbo"

I think this really depends on what state you live in. We sure didn't get much, and what we did get stopped when he hit 3 yrs old. He's 6 now.

Almost completely non verbal, except for babbling and stimming noises. Arm flapping, spinning, obsessive behaviors. All the classic symptoms. Has no sense of fear and would eagerly run out into traffic without hesitation, so must be constantly watched.

But he picked up how to operate the PC and use YouTube by just watching me do it a few times. It startled me the first time he did it. He just sat down at my PC, grabbed the mouse, clicked on start, then opened IE. Went to the favorites menu, scrolled down to one of his Sesame Street videos that was bookmarked, and started it. Even learned how to full screen the video, use the slider on the bottom, and how to skip the ads all on his own!

I'd gladly be struck down by lightning right now if he could be cured though.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 06, 2015 11:44 PM (Wo9OY)

301 #305: I can't speak for anyone else, but I take no offense from such situations, because I sometimes find myself just wanting to do the same.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (wKc1L)

302 i]Huh? Who's crushing Asperger's (or autism spectrum or whatever they call it now) out of people? As if that's even possible.

Mostly
it's about helping them learn how to function with other people and
explicitly teaching them about social cues and unspoken rules. Which is a
good thing and in no way crushes their talents.


Posted by: Maetenloch at July 06, 2015 11:42 PM (pAlYe)
I was referring to bombing them with psychoactive drugs, and/or characterizing them as having something wrong, thus implying that they need to change.
Fortunately, they're typically watching another channel mentally, and so oblivious to such characterization.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (oKE6c)

303 Mike Hammer @ 253- Chicken in this bag'. Heh.
I had to 'watch' a mental patient who had a warrant on him. He ran water in his cup as hot as he could get it, then set it on the edge of the sink. After not making eye contact with me for 3 hours he looked me in the eye and said 'I bet you think I'm want to throw this on you.' I just spread my hands in the universal 'whatever' gesture. I mean, if you throw hot water on a person that's one thing. But if you throw hot water on an armed 6'-2" person, that's another thing entirely.

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (go5uR)

304 Oh, sorry; #306 was directed at #304, not #305. I'm not sure how that happened.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (wKc1L)

305 Either sex can be a raging asshole of a boss but it does seem like the asshole women behave in a special way.
Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (zt+N6)

You should see it from another woman's perspective. Some women think that pissing on the up and coming women is a great way to prove your bona fides. When all it really does is dismiss any allies you might have made and makes your job harder in the long run.

Men, deep down, don't think women OR men should be mean.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (+YMhA)

306 In other news, might just have to become a teacher...

Same sex marriage ruling could impact case against local teacher

http://www.kristv.com

Posted by: RGallegos at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (49Jfq)

307 How absurd it all seems, without any proof.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (TF10X)

308 Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (1SHv1)

Structure is a huge need, for sure. And a few inviolate rules.

My rules as a caregiver were simple: do not bleed, do not make anyone else bleed, and do not embarrass me in public.

Of course, that wouldn't be enough as a parent or teacher, but neither does it have to be complicated.

But you DO have to be firm, and that's where most people fail.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:46 PM (BVDFs)

309 My parents could have clued them in within 2 or 3 sentences, no drugs required.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market

My old man was the quiet type. He let his right do the talking

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 11:46 PM (xJGO2)

310 I always told the parents that their boys were fine, maybe THEY were the ones who needed the medication.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:40 PM (BVDFs)


....and then smiled so sweetly you that you got away with it!

Posted by: Mindy at July 06, 2015 11:46 PM (LuM0n)

311 I was referring to bombing them with psychoactive drugs, and/or characterizing them as having something wrong, thus implying that they need to change.
Fortunately, they're typically watching another channel mentally, and so oblivious to such characterization.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (oKE6c)


Yeah but as far as I know there are no drugs explicitly for autism. And assessment != pathology requiring treatment.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 06, 2015 11:46 PM (pAlYe)

312 So my son is a sports expert. Especially baseball. They seem to love baseball. Anyway he works out at a gym and all the trainers there love him. Like norm at cheers. They take him to sports banquets with professional athletes. Some times the pros work out at the gym when they are rehabbing

Huge giant men. And my scrawny 120 lb kid will honestly tell them what an awful year they had the last season and why


They have to laugh

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:47 PM (zOTsN)

313 Parent: "My kid is rambunctious."

Doctor: "He's a boy. And a kid."

Parent: "His teachers say he doesn't listen."

Doctor: "I repeat myself."

Parent: "I'm worried."

Doctor: "You shouldn't be, but you know your child. I'll refer you to Doctor Drugz."

Parent: "Is he good?"

Doctor: "He's the one they call Dr. Feelgood."

Parent: "Dr. Feelgood, my boy is rambunctious."

Dr.: "Here's some Baby Cocaine."

*guitar*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:48 PM (OQ9R7)

314 I'd gladly be struck down by lightning right now if he could be cured though.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 06, 2015 11:44 PM (Wo9OY)

I'm so sorry, but then he sounds like a joy in his own way, too. I know that's cold comfort.

My son is ADHD on steriods, and while usually lots of exercise helps, it doesn't do much for him during the school day. He holds the current record for number of demerits in one semester. And he isn't slowing down one iota.

The chance that he will grow out of it is there, of course, so I guess we are luckier than some.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:49 PM (+YMhA)

315 My ex-boss who still works at the same place I do, has a pin on his backpack:

High Functioning Sociopath

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 06, 2015 11:49 PM (F0Cog)

316 My sister could sense the way the wind was blowing with her boy, and say, without even looking up, "Ari, go run three miles and come back."

Which brings me to another pet peeve.

Why in the actual fuck would you put a boy in a time out?? Make them do laps, make them pick up trash outside, make them burn off the energy! Give them something to do that will make them feel proud of themselves!

Again, teachers can't necessarily make them go run laps, but they should be given something physical to do when possible.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:49 PM (BVDFs)

317 >>> Are you on the yahoo group?

Nope mindy, need to do that. Would be nice to have a final meetup for Y-Not before she leaves the state to head back east!!

Posted by: LizLem at July 06, 2015 11:49 PM (WtH8C)

318 explicitly teaching them about social cues and unspoken rules

My prayer partner is an Aspie, and one of the biggest things she has trouble with is understanding sarcasm. It's worse with online communication--of course, that's hard enough for neurotypicals--so sometimes she has to run something by me to make sure she's understood it correctly, and sometimes I have to make sure to state that I'm teasing or whatever.
Wouldn't trade her friendship for the world.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 06, 2015 11:50 PM (iuQS7)

319 Night, night, all...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 11:51 PM (o5bK+)

320 But you DO have to be firm, and that's where most people fail.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:46 PM (BVDFs)

I have had more than one "professional" teacher, doctor, shrink, counselor, etc. tell me that I need to be consistent. What in hell do they think I've been doing? I get so tired of that line.

I usually respond kindly, but one of these days, I'm going to ask them if they have been consistent with him, because I've noticed him backsliding....

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:51 PM (+YMhA)

321 My boy is very sweet and utterly without guile. His heart is so good. I know who you are by how you are with him

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:52 PM (zOTsN)

322 Structure is a huge need, for sure. And a few inviolate rules.
>>>

The thing that drives me nuts in how my daughter is raising her kids is there is no structure to their meals. I get that it is hard to do every day but McDonalds in the car too often screws with the kids heads IMO.

Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 11:52 PM (1SHv1)

323 "it's about helping them learn how to function with other people and
explicitly teaching them about social cues and unspoken rules. Which is a
good thing and in no way crushes their talents.
"

Well, yes and no. ABA can be as described or can be borderline abusive depending on the therapist. Then there's the angst over how much fixations should be redirected and how much they should be indulged. There are whole internet forums devoted to people who feel they were completely oppressed by their parents' desire that they act "neurotypical" so there's always the fear that your kid is going to hate you even more than the average kid hates his parents because of all the times you said "stop humming and rocking at the table".

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 11:52 PM (MYCIw)

324 Autism is real but many diagnoses are not. It's just funny that autism diagnoses skyrocketed right after Rain Man. Weird, huh?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 06, 2015 10:46 PM (MYSVz)


And the real guy the movie was based on wasn't even autistic - He had Agenesis of the Corpus Callosum (ACC).

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 06, 2015 11:52 PM (Edob3)

325 Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 06, 2015 11:39 PM (2z4UX)

Oh God yes, that is a huge diagnosis right now.

Another one I see more in single mom households.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:52 PM (BVDFs)

326 The crazy ex (no fault of her own) had an autistic boy that was frickin genius. His dad was/is awesome with him but he's not there enough and she seemed to be the end all when it came to discipline.

Me being thrown into it I 'screwed up' in her eyes. No, sorry, no when they're going nuts don't change your behavior make him/her change or advise them and walk them through it. They understand it if you take time.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2015 11:53 PM (XAFOu)

327 321 My sister could sense the way the wind was blowing with her boy, and say, without even looking up, "Ari, go run three miles and come back."

Which brings me to another pet peeve.

Why in the actual fuck would you put a boy in a time out?? Make them do laps, make them pick up trash outside, make them burn off the energy! Give them something to do that will make them feel proud of themselves!

Again, teachers can't necessarily make them go run laps, but they should be given something physical to do when possible.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:49 PM (BVDFs)

Yup. Work focuses the mind and hones the body.

Have the kid build something or fix something or whatever.

Posted by: eman at July 06, 2015 11:53 PM (MQEz6)

328 Either sex can be a raging asshole of a boss but it does seem like the asshole women behave in a special way.

Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (zt+N6)



My guess is that male raging assholes are such because they view some people as obstacles between them and where they want to be. Female raging assholes are, I suspect, less focused on that goal but rather on clawing their way up a social hierarchy, high school style.


Apropos the discussion upthread, men tend to focus on things and ideas, viewing people as a means to an end, whereas women tend to focus on people as an end in itself. Sometimes that's good, sometimes not.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:53 PM (oKE6c)

329 #321: I suspect the reason they've done away with recess at most schools is just to cause an "epidemic" of ADD/ADHD among boys, thus warranting more power to teachers and administrators to Do Something.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 11:53 PM (wKc1L)

330 Nite RK

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 06, 2015 11:54 PM (xJGO2)

331 EXACTLY!!!! OMG, you do not want to get me started.

I worked in child care for many, many, many years; all ages. I always took the so-called rowdy boys, because I have 8 brothers and nothing phases me.

In all thjose years, there was only one boy I couldn't handle, and that's because he'd run off. Like, out the door and into the street, or jump off the bus, or whatever. He had serious mental issues, though.

Those other boys, please. They were boys, for fucks sake.

I always told the parents that their boys were fine, maybe THEY were the ones who needed the medication.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:40 PM (BVDFs)


What a drag it is getting old
"Kids are different today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
Mother needs something today to calm her down
And though she's not really ill
There's a little yellow pill
She goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day
"Things are different today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
Cooking fresh food for a husband's just a drag
So she buys an instant cake and she burns her frozen steak
And goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And two help her on her way, get her through her busy day
Doctor please, some more of these
Outside the door, she took four more
What a drag it is getting old
"Men just aren't the same today"
I hear ev'ry mother say
They just don't appreciate that you get tired
They're so hard to satisfy, You can tranquilize your mind
So go running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And four help you through the night, help to minimize your plight
Doctor please, some more of these
Outside the door, she took four more
What a drag it is getting old
"Life's just much too hard today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
The pusuit of happiness just seems a bore
And if you take more of those, you will get an overdose
No more running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
They just helped you on your way, through your busy dying day

Posted by: Mick Jagger at July 06, 2015 11:54 PM (Z7G74)

332 thanks for the creative answers

Posted by: chemjeff at July 06, 2015 11:54 PM (2XMpf)

333 334 #321: I suspect the reason they've done away with recess at most schools is just to cause an "epidemic" of ADD/ADHD among boys, thus warranting more power to teachers and administrators to Do Something.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 06, 2015 11:53 PM (wKc1L)

Or they could just be stupid. I'm really starting to believe that the graduates of teachers' college are the bottom of the barrel.

Why shoot yourself in the foot by keeping kids off the playground?

I figured it was the beginning of the end when they took out all the merry-go-rounds.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:55 PM (+YMhA)

334 And I'll actually apologize in advance if I say anything that offends members of the horde in regards to autism.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2015 11:55 PM (XAFOu)

335 Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:41 PM (+YMhA)

Did you sign any papers that preclude you from stealing his clients??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:56 PM (BVDFs)

336 Oh God yes, that is a huge diagnosis right now.

Another one I see more in single mom households.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:52 PM (BVDFs)

****

I had hoped that did not become mainstream. Sucks that it has. For God's sake, they are just doing what kids do!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 06, 2015 11:56 PM (cygkw)

337 I've seen Autistic kids who have never spoken learn how to communicate by typing on a computer.

After the keyboard takes their interest into another dimension, they "talk" about how they hear and understand everything, but they feel like people treat them like babies.

I've also heard that many "Bronies" are Autistic men and women that could never see the point in talking to others.

They were always treated like infants, so communicating with "idiots" wasn't an option... lol.

The "My Little Pony" show was all about friendship and human relations. There has been a connection between that show and a few "breakthroughs".

I may be 'one-internet-article-short-of a-dozen', but maybe there is something there.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:57 PM (OQ9R7)

338 I've been dead tired all day and now I am wide awake but not so wide awake to do anything.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 11:58 PM (iQIUe)

339 I tested as being on the autism spectrum on some psychology association's online quiz. I take it with a grain of salt since being an introverted, mildly avoidant, anal-retentive misanthrope overlaps heavily with mild autism characteristics.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 11:59 PM (mx5oN)

340 So my son is a sports expert. Especially baseball. They seem to love baseball.


Because there are so many statistics.


My older son is a politics/ history/ geography junkie. He can tell you off the top of his head who Henry Calhoun's running mate was back when. When he was younger, he had basically committed to memory a several hundred page book of zoology.


Where he gets that from, I have no idea. It's almost as if his father knew the periodic table frontwards and backwards when he was nine.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 06, 2015 11:59 PM (oKE6c)

341 Why shoot yourself in the foot by keeping kids off the playground?

I figured it was the beginning of the end when they took out all the merry-go-rounds.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:55 PM (+YMhA)


Someone (here I think) blamed it on the Vietnam war. So many libs were eager to get out of the draft so they went to college and became teachers. The thing is that they hate kids, so they started screwing with things that worked. Recess is loud and chaotic, and by golly someone could be hurt and sue the school! So of course it had to go.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2015 11:59 PM (10ydV)

342 You should see it from another woman's perspective. Some women think that pissing on the up and coming women is a great way to prove your bona fides. When all it really does is dismiss any allies you might have made and makes your job harder in the long run. Men, deep down, don't think women OR men should be mean.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:45 PM (+YMhA)


Yeah, I was thinking of experiences 'rons and 'ettes have mentioned about dealing with female bosses.

I don't think I've had it that bad but I have had to deal with a male asshole boss micromanager who once told a guy in the morning to come join him and others for a 5 minute discussion, and when I came back from lunch they were still in the office.

I have also had to deal with a female boss when I was a temp tell me that I wasn't going to be hired on full time in the middle of me working 10 days straight, because I had flipped around my schedule to help other employees, and that they "look for something extra."

Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 11:59 PM (zt+N6)

343 I'm just going to say it, when I was an undergrad, the least academic girls were education majors.

They were all super nice and good peeps, but expecting them to know what the Treaty of Westphalia or some other historical event was about was painful.



Posted by: moron #73 at July 07, 2015 12:01 AM (PY/7D)

344 Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:51 PM (+YMhA)

You should!

Does he have specific disciplinary issues? I'm fascinated by the way most autistics respond to traditional methods of discipline.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 07, 2015 12:01 AM (BVDFs)

345 My eyes are getting tired. Time to close them for the night.

Be strong, Horde, and let your heart take courage. Ps 27:14

Posted by: Mindy at July 07, 2015 12:03 AM (LuM0n)

346 321 My sister could sense the way the wind was blowing with her boy, and say, without even looking up, "Ari, go run three miles and come back."

Which brings me to another pet peeve.

Why in the actual fuck would you put a boy in a time out?? Make them do laps, make them pick up trash outside, make them burn off the energy! Give them something to do that will make them feel proud of themselves!

Again, teachers can't necessarily make them go run laps, but they should be given something physical to do when possible.


I had a 9th grade teacher that tried that. She said "You boys (I went to an all boys school) are so full of energy! Go outside and run around the building twice, then come back!" Now, the building was small, a 3 year old could circumnavigate it in 2 minutes, but somehow it took all of us 43 minutes to get around two times (class periods were 45 minutes long). I have NO idea how that happened. Really.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:03 AM (7TK5d)

347 Okay... I'm out of my depth and pissing in the wind. Just one of those nights!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:03 AM (OQ9R7)

348 >>>Recess is loud and chaotic, and by golly someone could be hurt and sue the school! So of course it had to go.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2015 11:59 PM (10ydV

Be a shame if they had to work outside of a classroom

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 07, 2015 12:05 AM (xJGO2)

349 There is a stone wall in my backyard that the grandkids are drawn to. It takes all my patience to not try to keep them away from it. Not that tall but since they seem to have no fear I worry when ever they are on it. No one has fell or got hurt yet but why can't they just chase each other on the nice soft grass?

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 12:05 AM (1SHv1)

350 OK, for the record. On the subject of advocating you-know-what.

Never mind the fact that you never drag shit into someone else's house.

Only a blithering idiot discusses such matters in open, monitored channels.

Seriously, people?

And I'm out for the night. Prayers to D'oh Boy's brothers-in-arms and the families thereof, may they find the peace and justice they seek.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 07, 2015 12:05 AM (m9V0o)

351 Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:03 AM (7TK5d)

LOL, I'd have made you run to the gym and back 3 times, with a note that had to be signed by one of the coaches!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 07, 2015 12:07 AM (BVDFs)

352 Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:03 AM (OQ9R7)

No, no you're BRILLIANT!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 07, 2015 12:07 AM (BVDFs)

353 Night , Mindy!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 07, 2015 12:08 AM (BVDFs)

354 @338, tcn.


The two majors listed below, require the lowest of all SAT scores for college admission.


2. Journalism.

1. Education.


I think that if they can fog a mirror, they can gain admission.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 07, 2015 12:09 AM (RzZOc)

355 Nite Mindy

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 07, 2015 12:09 AM (xJGO2)

356 A shame phoenixgirl isn't on. I'm curious about how much polluting that idiot Ira did on table 9.

Posted by: buzzion at July 07, 2015 12:09 AM (zt+N6)

357 317 So my son is a sports expert. Especially baseball. They seem to love baseball. Anyway he works out at a gym and all the trainers there love him. Like norm at cheers. They take him to sports banquets with professional athletes. Some times the pros work out at the gym when they are rehabbing

Huge giant men. And my scrawny 120 lb kid will honestly tell them what an awful year they had the last season and why


They have to laugh
Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:47 PM (zOTsN)


I worked for a pro sports team for years, those guys don't mind it one bit.

As a matter of fact, I bet the other athletes rehabbing are encouraging your son to keep it up.

Plus, most of them work with kids so much that they understand that he is on the spectrum.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 07, 2015 12:09 AM (Z7G74)

358 If mom and dad are sitting at the dining room table with their kids having a hot meal it's a perfect opportunity to find out what the hellions are doing, what kind things their friends are doing, and what your expectations for them are. I've given many cross examinations over a bowl of soup. Remember, prevaricators always concentrate/focus on the bottom of the bowl.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at July 07, 2015 12:09 AM (1eYr7)

359 They were always treated like infants, so communicating with "idiots" wasn't an option... lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 11:57 PM (OQ9R7)

I always empathized with Brain. "I am surrounded by eediots!"
Now that I work in a technical field, I'm fairly sociable and have a fair number of friends. Who'd have thought?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 12:10 AM (HalrA)

360 The Script Bot is doing a bang up job tonight. "Poof!"

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 07, 2015 12:10 AM (2z4UX)

361 LizLem, you can reach me at mindysosiare at Yahoo dot com. Let's see what we can put together!

Posted by: Mindy at July 07, 2015 12:11 AM (LuM0n)

362 "A shame phoenixgirl isn't on. I'm curious about how much polluting that idiot Ira did on table 9."
-Posted by: buzzion at July 07, 2015 12:09 AM (zt+N6)

He didn't do anything. He only typed "Brainwashed" after phxgrl typed, "Too bad Ira joined."

...there was nothing to see.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:12 AM (OQ9R7)

363 Howdy, y'all!!!

Posted by: Federal Reserve at July 07, 2015 12:12 AM (EzgxV)

364
Maet, dang, Sig 320. So THAT's what they are.

I don't keep up. Time/budget/safe capacity are maxed out for firearms, so I haven't been looking in a long time, but I did notice Sig 320s starting to show up on CalGuns for sale. Figured it was a temporary surge like the PPQs and other roster-haunted or SSE-expiring platforms (prices asked are quite high).

Oh well. When time/budget/safe capacity allow, now I'll have to consider a 320 as well as a CZ75. And a Blackhawk in 45LC. And a BHP. And a sub-compact (hmmm, that Springfield EMP looks nifty).

But I *did* finally get my nice exotic hardwood grips for the King Cobra snub to work - and discovered that Hogue has a major facility a short drive away, great people - and the possibility of "seconds" and other goodies.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2015 12:15 AM (QDnY+)

365 Howdy, y'all!!!

Posted by: Federal Reserve>>>

Well this should add some low interest.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 12:16 AM (1SHv1)

366 When Censorship Becomes a Civil Right

The Oregon bakers who didn't want to personal creative abilities to promote and endorse a same-sex ceremony have prohibited from speaking out about their beliefs.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=9472

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 07, 2015 12:17 AM (/YkzI)

367 348 I'm just going to say it, when I was an undergrad, the least academic girls were education majors.

They were all super nice and good peeps, but expecting them to know what the Treaty of Westphalia or some other historical event was about was painful.



Posted by: moron #73 at July 07, 2015 12:01 AM (PY/7D)


Yep. When I was in college we used to go over to a nearby college that had the big teaching program in the state, and they had no idea what they would be teaching, but they knew how to do lesson plans.

But damn, those girls loved to party and didn't mind that we didn't have to stay until the morning.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 07, 2015 12:18 AM (Z7G74)

368 Off banking cartel sock.....

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 12:19 AM (EzgxV)

369 "I always empathized with Brain. "I am surrounded by eediots!"
Now that I work in a technical field, I'm fairly sociable and have a fair number of friends. Who'd have thought?
"
-Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 12:10 AM (HalrA)

*HAH!*

That's cool, man! I was the opposite. I just wanted to talk and talk and talk.

(No! Really, Slap?!?)

...yup.

What I didn't know was that my brain function would diminish exponentially over the years. My memory isn't what it was back then and I am no longer smart, let-alone "brilliant".

I am a "conservative reactionary" who gets by on his formerly impressive vocabulary, as well as his wit.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

...my only real skill is spelling things correctly!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:20 AM (OQ9R7)

370 Did you sign any papers that preclude you from stealing his clients??
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 06, 2015 11:56 PM (BVDFs)

Not a one.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 07, 2015 12:21 AM (+YMhA)

371 "Well this should add some low interest."
-Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 12:16 AM (1SHv1)

Nicely played.

+1.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:21 AM (OQ9R7)

372 Slap, you also are a recognized master of the prayerful arts.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 07, 2015 12:23 AM (Gosad)

373 * ponders buying a buttload of 'COMPLY' stickers to spread around town*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 07, 2015 12:23 AM (9mTYi)

374 Posted by: tcn in AK at July 07, 2015 12:21 AM (+YMhA)

Delighted to hear that!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 07, 2015 12:23 AM (BVDFs)

375 LOL, I'd have made you run to the gym and back 3 times, with a note that had to be signed by one of the coaches!

That would have taken 6 minutes, tops. (small campus).

Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:23 AM (WvS3w)

376 He didn't do anything. He only typed "Brainwashed" after phxgrl typed, "Too bad Ira joined." ...there was nothing to see.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:12 AM (OQ9R7


Oh that's a relief.

Posted by: buzzion at July 07, 2015 12:23 AM (zt+N6)

377 Crank!

How are Mrs and Son of?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 07, 2015 12:24 AM (BVDFs)

378 So, you gonna drive up here and shoot me?

Posted by: Blood Pressure (hypertension) is in your future.>>>

Warfarin should do the job nicely.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 12:26 AM (1SHv1)

379 That would have taken 6 minutes, tops. (small campus).
Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:23 AM (WvS3w)


6 precious minutes without the class clowns... plenty of time to call the custodian and offer your services.

In all seriousness, I bet you were a favorite of many teachers.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 07, 2015 12:26 AM (BVDFs)

380 Sup horde

Posted by: thathalfrican at July 07, 2015 12:27 AM (R5HRU)

381 Well, the Sandman beckons....

good night, peeps!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at July 07, 2015 12:28 AM (BVDFs)

382 G'night Miss Tammy

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 07, 2015 12:30 AM (9mTYi)

383 Nite Tammy

Posted by: thathalfrican at July 07, 2015 12:30 AM (R5HRU)

384 I've said it before and I'll say it again...



...my only real skill is spelling things correctly!


*gloomy* I don't even have that,



I'm dysgraphic. Look it up, it's probably on some spectrum somewhere. Like dyslexia, but in print. What it means is that I can't spell "cat" if you spot me the K and the T.

So what? I just have to work extra hard when writing. Cry me a river. I got a buddy in a wheelchair. He has to work extra hard just to walk.

1.5 billion Red Chinese don't give a shit.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:31 AM (WvS3w)

385 Oh crap sorry to have copy and pasted a troll comment.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 12:31 AM (1SHv1)

386 Miss Tammy! They are mostly well. Mrs. Crank has been having some palpitations, not sure why but we're getting it looked into.

And because I know Slap will ask, the niece is working out far better than I would have thought possible. We go to mediation with the grandmother later this month for a custody transfer. Whether we proceed to adoption will remain to be seen, I'm thinking a year is a reasonable time frame to evaluate it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 07, 2015 12:31 AM (Gosad)

387 In all seriousness, I bet you were a favorite of many teachers.

My Spanish teacher gave everyone Spanish names - like Diego, or Jaime (pronounced "High me"). Mine was Diablo.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:33 AM (WvS3w)

388 I'm really starting to believe that the graduates of teachers' college are the bottom of the barrel.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:55 PM (+YMhA)


There's no question about this, at all. Education departments are the worst departments at every university plagued with one. Just look up the GRE scores of intended education grads - they are the lowest of all. The education grads score even lower on the math sections than the friggin English grads and the sociology morons. No shit.

There is no collection of people dumber than education departments. Period. The fact that anyone takes anything one of these imbeciles says seriously is pathetic. I first found out about this when I got my own GRE scores back and they had a listing on the back of mean scores per intended major. Man, that was eye opening!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 07, 2015 12:35 AM (MYSVz)

389 "Slap, you also are a recognized master of the prayerful arts."
-Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 07, 2015 12:23 AM (Gosad)

That's not me, man! That's a combination of God's grace and the Prayer of St. Francis.

Those words would not come to me this evening when it came to Jane D'oh. I hastily typed words at the end of the Cosby thread, but they were insufficient and fell upon deaf ears.

I could not muster anything sufficient tonight as she cried and suffered with the depth of a Mother torn.

While I can pronounce some quality words and enunciate to the heartland's satisfaction, I am woefully inadequate at times.

This does not bring me sorrow, as I am human. I can only work with what I have striven for and worked against.

-I am what I am, as a famous fictional sailor once said.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:37 AM (OQ9R7)

390 361 A shame phoenixgirl isn't on. I'm curious about how much polluting that idiot Ira did on table 9.
Posted by: buzzion at July 07, 2015 12:09 AM (zt+N6)

What? That cock sucker attacked Rose?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 07, 2015 12:38 AM (Vm8WO)

391 >>>>I'm dysgraphic. Look it up, it's probably on some spectrum somewhere. Like dyslexia, but in print. What it means is that I can't spell "cat" if you spot me the K and the T.




I'm betting a friend of mine has that. It kind of sucked doing the proofreading for his writings because even in junior high he was still writing "there" as "thare." I have no idea how much better he is now because of spellcheck and well I'm not in school proofreading classmates rough drafts anymore.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 07, 2015 12:38 AM (zt+N6)

392 My pillow has attained sufficient gravitational pull to cause me to cross over the event horizon.

Wave bye bye, to my disassembling, accelerating molecules, Horde!



Jim
Sunk New Yawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 07, 2015 12:38 AM (RzZOc)

393 -Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 07, 2015 12:31 AM (Gosad)

That. Is. Awesome!

...continued Blessings, Sir!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:38 AM (OQ9R7)

394 "What? That cock sucker attacked Rose?"
-Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 07, 2015 12:38 AM (Vm8WO)

No. He just lurked and... see Post #367.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:40 AM (OQ9R7)

395 The education grads score even lower on the math sections than the friggin English grads and the sociology morons.



Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 07, 2015 12:35 AM (MYSVz)


So ... below golden retrievers, but above sociology majors.
Guess the golden retrievers slept poorly the next before the GREs.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 07, 2015 12:40 AM (oKE6c)

396 Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 07, 2015 12:31 AM (Gosad)

Hope all works out for you & your family

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 07, 2015 12:40 AM (xJGO2)

397 I can't spell worth a shit. But everyone comes to me to ask how to spell things. (if you can't impress them with Knowledge baffle them with bullshit)Not a problem if I'm at my computer since I can get close enough for google. But otherwise They are out of luck.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 12:40 AM (1SHv1)

398 Attended a GRE refresher. I'd been out of school for 5 years. To my surprise, most of the attendees were current Ed majors, planning on going to grad school.

I was appalled...., I mean, really appalled by their lack of, well, education. I don't mean to take anything away from teachers, but the crop that I was with were like a Watter's World segment.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 07, 2015 12:42 AM (9mTYi)

399 The Battle of Castle Ittner should be a freaking movie.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2015 10:31 PM (10ydV)


Yes, and produced by Clint Eastwood.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 07, 2015 12:44 AM (IAqcp)

400 -Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:33 AM (WvS3w)

Se llama "Diego". Porque' Senior Maradonna esta' en El Cupo Mundial para Argentina en Mil Novaciento Ochenta y Seis.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:44 AM (OQ9R7)

401 No. He just lurked and... see Post #367.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:40 AM

Well that's good. But it's troubling he even went over there.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 07, 2015 12:45 AM (Vm8WO)

402 I was appalled...., I mean, really appalled by their lack of, well, education. I don't mean to take anything away from teachers, but the crop that I was with were like a Watter's World segment.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 07, 2015 12:42 AM (9mTYi)


Yep. It's been like that for a very long time. Education departments are the idiots' refuges. I used to teach a lot of math ed students (as they had to take actual math courses, at some point - basic ones, but math courses, nonetheless) and if I tell you that their math levels were not really much past 7th or 8th grade that it being generous. It was friggin scary.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 07, 2015 12:48 AM (MYSVz)

403 405 Solamente hablo un poquito Espanol, so...I got no clue what you're babbling about Jack.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:49 AM (WvS3w)

404 Good night Morons
Be well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 07, 2015 12:50 AM (xJGO2)

405 404 The Battle of Castle Ittner should be a freaking movie.

Yes, and produced by Clint Eastwood.

---------

Brian Dennehy would electrify in the title role.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 07, 2015 12:50 AM (oZr5y)

406
393 I'm really starting to believe that the graduates of teachers' college are the bottom of the barrel. Posted by: tcn in AK at July 06, 2015 11:55 PM (+YMhA) There's no question about this, at all. Education departments are the worst departments at every university plagued with one. Just look up the GRE scores of intended education grads - they are the lowest of all. The education grads score even lower on the math sections than the friggin English grads and the sociology morons. No shit. There is no collection of people dumber than education departments. Period. The fact that anyone takes anything one of these imbeciles says seriously is pathetic. I first found out about this when I got my own GRE scores back and they had a listing on the back of mean scores per intended major. Man, that was eye opening!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 07, 2015 12:35 AM (MYSVz)


Education departments. Using tried and true teaching methods to instruct their students to try the dumbest possible ideas when they get to finally teach themselves.

My opinion of education majors is not high. Especially since in 1998 I was subject to a fresh out of college teacher for my Junior year American History class who I was smarter than. I remember her saying that she wouldn't grade on length of essays and then during the first test that had an essay she took off points for "not long enough." A later test she wanted to shake my hand because I got more answers right on a test she made when she took it herself. And then there was the day our Academic team went against some of the school teachers for a friendly competition/practice and we proceeded to school her on Constitutional amendments.

The thing that truly demonstrated the idiocy of education majors though was that a good portion of our grade in the class was based on "responses" to our notes. What this was is on the right page you would write your notes, and then on the left page you did your responses, which involved using colored pencils or markers to draw responses to the notes on the other page. So we are Juniors in high school in American History class and we are being graded on artwork. Now of course she claimed she wasn't grading on artistic ability, but you bet your ass that the girls that spent all their time using entire page to make a nice artistic "response" to the notes got better grades on it than people like me that can barely draw a straight line without a ruler.

Posted by: buzzion at July 07, 2015 12:51 AM (zt+N6)

407 Hi all, what's shaking?

Posted by: Farmer at July 07, 2015 12:52 AM (o/90i)

408 Oh yeah she also believed that if you took a store bough egg out of the refrigerator and left it out eventually it would hatch a chick

Posted by: Buzzion at July 07, 2015 12:54 AM (zt+N6)

409 Se llama "Diego". Porque' Senior Maradonna esta' en El Cupo Mundial para Argentina en Mil Novaciento Ochenta y Seis.

---------

Umm, si, se puede!

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at July 07, 2015 12:54 AM (oZr5y)

410 "Well that's good. But it's troubling he even went over there."
-Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 07, 2015 12:45 AM (Vm8WO)

I posted the link earlier, thinking that Jane would join. Ira decided to lurk, but whatever. I was the same jabberjaw I was here.

IronGrampa was there and we had a quality chat. I still don't have the heart to tell him that while I believe that burning the flag is wrong, we have the right to do it.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:55 AM (OQ9R7)

411 G'Night, Misanthropic.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:55 AM (OQ9R7)

412 413 Oh yeah she also believed that if you took a store bough egg out of the refrigerator and left it out eventually it would hatch a chick

Posted by: Buzzion at July 07, 2015 12:54 AM (zt+N6)



Should have shown her how flu vaccine was made and told her they could either hatch chicks or flu virus.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 12:56 AM (EzgxV)

413 -Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:49 AM (WvS3w)

I took the name "Diego" in Spanish class because Diego Maradonna was a soccer star during the World Cup in 1986.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:56 AM (OQ9R7)

414 Mine was Diablo.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:33 AM (WvS3w)


Obligatory:

El Diablo: Who is this who calls himself the greatest bandit in the world?

Micky Dolenz (pretending to be a bandito): Who is this who asks who is this who calls himself who is this, the greatest bandit in the world?

El Diablo: They call me El Diablo, also known as the Bandit without a Heart!

Micky: They call me El Dolenzio, also known as the Bandit without a Soul!!

Mike Nesmith: And they call me El Nesmitho, also known as the Bandit without no--without any Conscience.

Peter Tork: And they call me El Torko, also known as the Bandit... without a Nickname.

--The Monkees, "It's a Nice Place to Visit"

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 07, 2015 12:57 AM (iuQS7)

415 Nite MH.

Posted by: Farmer at July 07, 2015 12:58 AM (o/90i)

416 415 "Well that's good. But it's troubling he even went over there."
-Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 07, 2015 12:45 AM (Vm8WO)

I posted the link earlier, thinking that Jane would join. Ira decided to lurk, but whatever. I was the same jabberjaw I was here.

IronGrampa was there and we had a quality chat. I still don't have the heart to tell him that while I believe that burning the flag is wrong, we have the right to do it.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 12:55 AM (OQ9R7)




Rose has known for a while that he's been there.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 12:58 AM (EzgxV)

417 got better grades on it than people like me that can barely draw a straight line without a ruler.>>>

Had to do Drafting in Tech school. Can't draw worth a shit free hand but give me tools and incentive I can do wonders with blue prints. Even my hadwriting improved in the annotations since that was graded too.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 12:58 AM (1SHv1)

418
True story I've often wanted to see made into a movie is the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Whole enchilada - including Musashi's demise, Halsey's wild goose chase, andthe Battle of Surigao Strait (last major surface action in history).

Of course the heroics of the Tin Cans and aircraft near the landing beaches is the amazing story that so needs to be told. Last time a major American force fought against overwhelming odds. The Japanese officers lining the rails to salute the valorous American warships.

Then again why tell such a tale? Aside from freaks like a few of us, who would be the audience? Maybe recalling a country and a sensibility that no longer exist is just tormenting ourselves.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2015 12:58 AM (QDnY+)

419 Mine was Diablo.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 12:33 AM (WvS3w)



https://youtu.be/UEJpBgh2Dfk

Posted by: Country Singer at July 07, 2015 01:01 AM (nL0sw)

420 Then again why tell such a tale? Aside from freaks like a few of us, who would be the audience?

It's history disguised as an action flick. Should do boffo box office and teach some young skulls full of mush at the same time.
The trick is to do it without involving Hollyweird. And there's the rub.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 07, 2015 01:02 AM (iuQS7)

421 So ... below golden retrievers, but above sociology majors.
Guess the golden retrievers slept poorly the next before the GREs.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 07, 2015 12:40 AM (oKE6c)


To be fair, someone threw a tennis ball into the room and that distracted the golden retrievers.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at July 07, 2015 01:04 AM (Z7G74)

422 True story I've often wanted to see made into a
movie is the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Whole enchilada - including Musashi's
demise, Halsey's wild goose chase, andthe Battle of Surigao Strait
(last major surface action in history).

Of course the heroics of
the Tin Cans and aircraft near the landing beaches is the amazing story
that so needs to be told. Last time a major American force fought
against overwhelming odds. The Japanese officers lining the rails to
salute the valorous American warships.

Then again why tell such a
tale? Aside from freaks like a few of us, who would be the audience?
Maybe recalling a country and a sensibility that no longer exist is just
tormenting ourselves.


Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2015 12:58 AM (QDnY+)

That would indeed be a moving story, and one inclined to induce patriotism. And, for that reason, will never be made. Pity.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 07, 2015 01:05 AM (oKE6c)

423 Golden Retrievers may seem stupid but damm they are lovable.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:06 AM (1SHv1)

424 428 Golden Retrievers may seem stupid but damm they are lovable.
Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:06 AM (1SHv1)



They sure are. And they're not stupid, either; quite the contrary, in my experience they're highly intelligent. They're sweet, eager to please, easy to train and highly intelligent, for dogs. Or education majors.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 07, 2015 01:09 AM (oKE6c)

425 They sure are. And they're not stupid,>>>

No but that bouncy,happy all the time vibe they give makes people think the are stupid. I really miss my Golden one of the best dogs ever.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:12 AM (1SHv1)

426 Here's something that always stuck with me since Junior High...

My art teacher told us that most good artists could never draw a straight line because it rarely occurs in the natural world.

I could draw a straight line, as well as an almost perfect circle without a straight-edge or a protractor.

I drew swords on the back of my Dungeons and Dragons character sheets since I was eleven. I also drew magical orbs and crystal balls.

I graduated into drawing NFL helmets freehand and "selling" them to people to tape onto their book covers.

I got a burger or some peanut-butter squares... lol. I was more of an "enlarging duplicator" than a real artist.

I used to draw dragon faces and other stuff, including fish... (Because The Hottest Chick I've Ever Known was named "Fisher"!)

...so I drew "Deb Fish".

Ten years ago, I broke my wrist and she was an attending E.R. nurse. She told me that she had kept all of those drawings.

...but she was Married. *awwww*

I was a sort-of cartoonist, I guess, as well.

Who Knew?

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:12 AM (OQ9R7)

427 "Rose has known for a while that he's been there."
-Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 12:58 AM (EzgxV)

Okay... whew!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:14 AM (OQ9R7)

428 I made it in too late to try and comfort Jane D'oh, but I prayed for her son's departed brothers and their families and friends.




I'm still not on regular time, yet, but down in the 200s are some descriptions that absolutely fit one of our godsons. We've been so blessed to have him in our lives -- I could tell you stories the rest of the night.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:14 AM (EzgxV)

429 No but that bouncy,happy all the time vibe they give
makes people think the are stupid. I really miss my Golden one of the
best dogs ever.


Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:12 AM (1SHv1)

You've got to love them. Everybody's their pal; there's not a mean bone in them. Lousy as watchdogs, but the ultimate love bunnies, and great around kids.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 07, 2015 01:19 AM (oKE6c)

430 Jane was inconsolable. She simply wasn't herself tonight. I believe the combination of being hurt, (back), and feeling that her Son may be "next" was too much.

She was taking painkillers and feeling particularly vulnerable.

I kept typing things and deleting them because words were inadequate.

She'll be a different person in a couple of days. She was too emotional to address adequately tonight.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:20 AM (OQ9R7)

431 I like the story of Japan cowardly attacking the US, and, a mere three years later, America has more, better-armed, better-manned, better-flown fleet carrier groups than even Yamamoto's wildest fevered dreams could've imagined.

There's that Kraut fuckhole in Toland's "A Bridge Too Far", who wonders what Germany might have done, with, once, just once, all that materiel the United Motherfucking Ford and GM States poured onto the field of combat.

Lie in the bed you've made, fuckwads.

I agree, there should be a way to show that on film.

Posted by: the lesson would be lost on the rainbow generation at July 07, 2015 01:20 AM (9RnWu)

432 I really want to get a dog but I'm not home enough to be a good partner to one.

#First world problems.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:21 AM (1SHv1)

433 326 My boy is very sweet and utterly without guile. His heart is so good. I know who you are by how you are with him

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:52 PM (zOTsN)



Bled into 300's.....but our godson is perhaps a notch or two back from this -- he is absolutely, genuinely, as sweet and generous and caring and fiercely loyal as you could but imagine....but when he tries the guile thing he's as phony as a $3 bill and half as believable.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:21 AM (EzgxV)

434 So my son is a sports expert. Especially baseball. They seem to love baseball. Anyway he works out at a gym and all the trainers there love him. Like norm at cheers. They take him to sports banquets with professional athletes. Some times the pros work out at the gym when they are rehabbing

Huge giant men. And my scrawny 120 lb kid will honestly tell them what an awful year they had the last season and why

They have to laugh

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2015 11:47 PM (zOTsN)

LMAO, boy would I enjoy listening in on that conversation!!

Posted by: Blano at July 07, 2015 01:22 AM (heN73)

435 435 Jane was inconsolable. She simply wasn't herself tonight. I believe the combination of being hurt, (back), and feeling that her Son may be "next" was too much.

She was taking painkillers and feeling particularly vulnerable.

I kept typing things and deleting them because words were inadequate.

She'll be a different person in a couple of days. She was too emotional to address adequately tonight.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:20 AM (OQ9R7)




I just wish I could have been here for her -- but she fell in the crease between "reading the comments from the beginning" and "keeping up after I said 'hello'".

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:23 AM (EzgxV)

436 The trick is to do it without involving Hollyweird. And there's the rub.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 07, 2015 01:02 AM (iuQS7)

We really do need to come up with our own alternative to Hollywood, which creates movies that promote moral themes and the America we want to live in, instead of the America that Hollywood wants to create.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 01:24 AM (J+mig)

437 -Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:23 AM (EzgxV)

It wouldn't have mattered, I'm sad to say. She kept thanking people and typing: "I'm crying so hard right now."

...she apologized for bringing it up. She apologized for bring it into another thread. She apologized for bringing it up on the ONT.

She was looking for prayers to comfort her. She was not herself.

She thanked Fenelon for being his usual sweet and graceful self.

She was simply asking for prayers. I'll forward that message and let anyone reading know that she was simply asking for nothing more than that.

I'll abide this fine lady and do just that. For the Praying Morons and 'Ettes? I'll ask that you just hit your knees and do the same.

I'll thank you in advance.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:30 AM (OQ9R7)

438 Wow, talk about "falling in the crease" -- comment before my 'howdy' was an Ira sighting.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:31 AM (EzgxV)

439 I'm so disappointed I missed Jane earlier, on the Fustercluck of Anger and Hatred thread. Okay, that's not specific enough, I know.

I looked and and saw what she posted then, wanted to try to comfort her, but it was too late by the time I arrived.

I hope she's receiving comfort and support from someone, and so are the families of the fallen. And her son, who has to be all nerves down to the tips of his teeth.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 07, 2015 01:34 AM (bLnSU)

440 Night all.

Here is "Green Manalishi (With The Two Pronged Crown)" by the original Fleetwood Mac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTvKaLW5bu8

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 07, 2015 01:34 AM (/YkzI)

441 -Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 01:24 AM (J+mig)

If you've got connections, cache or cash, talk to the people at "The Hallmark Channel."

They are so Family-Friendly that you could build a Philadelphia sandwich around them!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:34 AM (OQ9R7)

442 Just catching up. Don't know what happened to Jane but she has my prayers.

I'll scroll back up but she certainly has my prayers.

Posted by: Farmer at July 07, 2015 01:35 AM (o/90i)

443 She thanked Fenelon for being his usual sweet and graceful self.

98.762% sure Fenelon est une femme.

Posted by: cavity magnetron at July 07, 2015 01:37 AM (9RnWu)

444 Yeah Ira, like people here are gonna click on a Youtube link from a stranger when you're known to be around. Lol.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 07, 2015 01:38 AM (2z4UX)

445
Well whatever else they were, the Japanese who conceived and undertook not just December 7 everything else from 1931 on didn't show much cowardice. Though why Adm. Kurita withdrew from the Leyte landing areas - when his mission was easily understood as one from which he was not expected to return - still surprises me.

The total - and ingenious - mobilization of America's talents and resources in WWII continue to amaze, as many years as I have been reading the history. To coordinate fleet air defense activities against Japanese aerial attacks, the Navy employed high-powered Wall Street traders in the combat control centers of a task force. People accustomed to constant, high-pressure, short-fuze high-stakes decisions. Brilliant.

Of course the thing about Leyte Gulf (not alone in this respect, but by far the most spectacular example) was that it showed Americanmilitary prowess was NOT simply a product of huge material superiority. The Axis greatly misjudged our toughness and deadliness (as did Saddam, who stopped by a Vietnamese contract labor camp before Gulf War I to hear tales of defeating America in battle, and instead to his discomfort was warned that fighting the US was a nightmare - constant pressure, constant innovation, and that US soldiers were as good as any in the world).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2015 01:39 AM (QDnY+)

446 I know, guys... I was there. There was nothing to say.

With my "gift of gab", I tried to say something, but I was at a total loss.

That is One Strong Broad, however. She will bounce back, but I pray for her Son and the Families of those that have been lost.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:39 AM (OQ9R7)

447 My sisters son killed himself earlier this spring. I had no words to help her. The utter felling of uselessness is the hardest part in situations like these.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:40 AM (1SHv1)

448 -Posted by: cavity magnetron at July 07, 2015 01:37 AM (9RnWu)

I'm not saying that I hope you die alone in a cold, dark corner.

...but I wouldn't shed a tear.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:43 AM (OQ9R7)

449 449 Yeah Ira, like people here are gonna click on a Youtube link from a stranger when you're known to be around. Lol.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 07, 2015 01:38 AM (2z4UX)



An actual youtube link -- or one shortened by youtube -- shouldn't be all that risky. I don't know if you saw where I disclosed that I was tagged with Java/ClassLoader. That requires a link to a contaminated webpage. So far as I know, YouTube cannot host such a beast. OTOH, tinyurl can resolve to one -- and you don't even need to click on anything, just loading the webpage tags you.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:44 AM (EzgxV)

450 She thanked Fenelon for being his usual sweet and graceful self.

She was simply asking for prayers. I'll forward that message and let anyone reading know that she was simply asking for nothing more than that.

I'll abide this fine lady and do just that. For the Praying Morons and 'Ettes? I'll ask that you just hit your knees and do the same.

I'll thank you in advance.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:30 AM (OQ9R7)


Fenelon's an Ette, Slap. "Fenelon Spoke" is a reference to something that was said by a theologian by name of Francois Fenelon. Yes, I asked. I kidded her I thought it was part of a wagon wheel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 07, 2015 01:44 AM (IAqcp)

451 451 I know, guys... I was there. There was nothing to say.

With my "gift of gab", I tried to say something, but I was at a total loss.

That is One Strong Broad, however. She will bounce back, but I pray for her Son and the Families of those that have been lost.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:39 AM (OQ9R7)



Amen, Slap -- such are my hopes.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:46 AM (EzgxV)

452 #454: Yeah, that's one reason I always go with the "preview" option when posting a tinyurl link, so you can at least see what site the link goes to before actually choosing to go there.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 07, 2015 01:47 AM (wKc1L)

453 per wikipedia, CV-16 radar arrangement:

http://tinyurl.com/q4fuwac

In the vernacular, this translated to the famous haiku "eat my thrice-enlarged death-member, beeotches".

Posted by: learning Japanese at July 07, 2015 01:49 AM (9RnWu)

454 -Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:40 AM (1SHv1)

I know the feeling. What an oddly useless feeling it is until you can unload upon the beautifully willing.

I begrudge no one who wants to avoid my personal woes. I hold a special place in my heart for those willing to listen when I am at my wits' end.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:50 AM (OQ9R7)

455 452 My sisters son killed himself earlier this spring. I had no words to help her. The utter felling of uselessness is the hardest part in situations like these.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:40 AM (1SHv1)



I'm so sorry to hear.



If I might a small suggestion, though....words take on an exaggerated value in society today. With neighbors, sometimes you just go and sit a spell. Or bake a lasagna. Because words are only words.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:50 AM (EzgxV)

456 For those of you who might be interested in a portable linux distro for private and more secure browsing, may I direct your attention to

http://slax.org

This loads a very small kernel which includes firefox that is less than 1/2 a gigabyte onto a cd/dvd or usb.

No hasseling with distro loaders and confusion, you download a zip file and then extract to the root directory of your empty flash drive. Execute a .bat file to setup the mbr for the flash disk and your done. You can have persistency as far as changes made to the desktop and other options without a lot of hassles.
Adding functionality is as easy as downloading a module and putting it in the modules folder then when you boot from the flash drive, slax will include that module.

I just spent some time and it's quite nifty. The downside (and there's always a downside) is that there seems to be a dearth of modules. Not that there's not a lot to choose from just that nothing jumps out at me as something I would need just yet. After further exploration that will probably change.

As I said it comes with a copy of Firefox 19.01 and there's a 38.01 modules available (haven't loaded that yet.)

Limitations on storage availability when using a fat32 formatted drive. They say that would improve if you load it on a linux formatted flash disk but it's a catch 22 as you have to be running linux to be able to format a linux file system (unless using win 7 or 8 supposedly using 3rd party software. I'm not concerned yet as I of course haven't reached any limit. I'm mainly concerned about having a portable os that I can plug in anywhere and use and not leave any data behind while retaining whatever I want.

It's the easiest smoothest quickest os install I've ever done and that covers 22 years of staring at installation screens.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 01:51 AM (x3GpS)

457 OTOH, tinyurl can resolve to one -- and you don't even need to click on anything, just loading the webpage tags you.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:44 AM (EzgxV)

***

I did see that, and thanks. I solve this by clicking on almost no links ever presented here.

However, the Brobible.com Charlotte McKinney tinyurl was an exception, and thank you Lord for both creating her and giving me the very questionable "wisdom" to click on that one.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 07, 2015 01:53 AM (1eYr7)

458 I begrudge no one who wants to avoid my personal woes. I hold a special place in my heart for those willing to listen when I am at my wits' end.>>>

Probably not much of a comfort to my sister. But telling stories about my Nephew with his brother while we drank into the wee hours may have comforted him some. It sure did me.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:53 AM (1SHv1)

459 Be well all you Morons. Bedtime here.

Posted by: Farmer at July 07, 2015 01:55 AM (o/90i)

460 -Posted by: cavity magnetron at July 07, 2015 01:37 AM (9RnWu)
I'm not saying that I hope you die alone in a cold, dark corner.
...but I wouldn't shed a tear.
-Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:43 AM (OQ9R7)

If what Alberta Oil Peon said is correct, then I rescind my callous words of ignorance and offer my unabashed apology.

In my haste and ignorance, I have castigated truth and proved myself ignorant and foolish.

Please accept my apology for lashing out in ignorant anger.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 01:56 AM (OQ9R7)

461 463 I begrudge no one who wants to avoid my personal woes. I hold a special place in my heart for those willing to listen when I am at my wits' end.>>>

Probably not much of a comfort to my sister. But telling stories about my Nephew with his brother while we drank into the wee hours may have comforted him some. It sure did me.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 01:53 AM (1SHv1)




....and that is pretty much the sort of thing I was referring to. Being there, and holding close, were part of humanity before language was invented.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 01:57 AM (EzgxV)

462 Robinson, I know how you feel. I would dearly love to have a pet but I'm concerned about some emergency occurring and them being trapped as there's no one nearby I'd want to burden with taking care of them.

Plus it doesn't help that the area I live in has a prohibition on pets. (although lots of folks still have them but they're mostly lap dogs)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 01:57 AM (x3GpS)

463 Absolutely no problemo, Slap. I know where you're coming from.

Posted by: cavity magnetron at July 07, 2015 01:58 AM (9RnWu)

464 "Absolutely no problemo, Slap. I know where you're coming from."
-Posted by: cavity magnetron at July 07, 2015 01:58 AM (9RnWu)

Thank you. I stand humbled and corrected.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 02:01 AM (OQ9R7)

465 461 For those of you who might be interested in a portable linux distro for private and more secure browsing, may I direct your attention to

http://slax.org

This loads a very small kernel which includes firefox that is less than 1/2 a gigabyte onto a cd/dvd or usb.

No hasseling with distro loaders and confusion, you download a zip file and then extract to the root directory of your empty flash drive. Execute a .bat file to setup the mbr for the flash disk and your done. You can have persistency as far as changes made to the desktop and other options without a lot of hassles.
Adding functionality is as easy as downloading a module and putting it in the modules folder then when you boot from the flash drive, slax will include that module.

I just spent some time and it's quite nifty. The downside (and there's always a downside) is that there seems to be a dearth of modules. Not that there's not a lot to choose from just that nothing jumps out at me as something I would need just yet. After further exploration that will probably change.

As I said it comes with a copy of Firefox 19.01 and there's a 38.01 modules available (haven't loaded that yet.)

Limitations on storage availability when using a fat32 formatted drive. They say that would improve if you load it on a linux formatted flash disk but it's a catch 22 as you have to be running linux to be able to format a linux file system (unless using win 7 or 8 supposedly using 3rd party software. I'm not concerned yet as I of course haven't reached any limit. I'm mainly concerned about having a portable os that I can plug in anywhere and use and not leave any data behind while retaining whatever I want.

It's the easiest smoothest quickest os install I've ever done and that covers 22 years of staring at installation screens.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 01:51 AM (x3GpS)



It'd be interesting to note how easily it could be put on a virtual machine.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:01 AM (EzgxV)

466 468 Absolutely no problemo, Slap. I know where you're coming from.

Posted by: cavity magnetron at July 07, 2015 01:58 AM (9RnWu)




We have the best regulars in the entire freakin' blogosphere.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:03 AM (EzgxV)

467 Heh.....I sense a disturbance among the hamsters.....

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:08 AM (EzgxV)

468 Did the Stoic thing at he funeral this spring. Now I'm crying my ass off.

Goodnight all. I'm probably better off with this release triggered by some random comment on a blog.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 02:08 AM (1SHv1)

469 473 Did the Stoic thing at he funeral this spring. Now I'm crying my ass off.

Goodnight all. I'm probably better off with this release triggered by some random comment on a blog.

Posted by: Robinson at July 07, 2015 02:08 AM (1SHv1)



{{{Robinson}}} Sleep well and wake....and come back to inform those of us who are worried for you.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:11 AM (EzgxV)

470 Where's NipSip these days? Did a shark get him?

SHARK SUMMER!!!!1!!!!!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 07, 2015 02:11 AM (iQIUe)

471 It'd be interesting to note how easily it could be put on a virtual machine.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:01 AM (EzgxV)


Maybe I'm missing something, but would that not sort of defeat the purpose of the Slax OS? My reading of it, and I went to the link, is that you can have a functional OS, and your personal data and settings, like say your address book and Web bookmarks, all on a tiny thumb drive. Plug it into any compatible machine, boot it off the thumb drive, and it becomes your computer, until you you shut it down. And, presumably, from time to time, you mirror that thumb drive at home, so should your OS become compromised, you just flatten a $25 USB stick with a hammer, and start a new one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 07, 2015 02:12 AM (IAqcp)

472 Where's NipSip these days? Did a shark get him?

SHARK SUMMER!!!!1!!!!!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 07, 2015 02:11 AM (iQIUe)

****

Last heard from, was going to Rome for a few weeks.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 07, 2015 02:13 AM (cygkw)

473 ...and that's why I don't have a congregation, cooth! ...lol.

While I may paint pretty words that may comfort souls, I'll need to delve deeper into my soul to find something to contain "The Thing" that allows me to cry out with vitriol after declaring that I wish to be an instrument of peace.

Humility... it's whats for breakfast.



Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 02:20 AM (OQ9R7)

474 G'Night, Robinson.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 02:21 AM (OQ9R7)

475 476 It'd be interesting to note how easily it could be put on a virtual machine.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:01 AM (EzgxV)


Maybe I'm missing something, but would that not sort of defeat the purpose of the Slax OS? My reading of it, and I went to the link, is that you can have a functional OS, and your personal data and settings, like say your address book and Web bookmarks, all on a tiny thumb drive. Plug it into any compatible machine, boot it off the thumb drive, and it becomes your computer, until you you shut it down. And, presumably, from time to time, you mirror that thumb drive at home, so should your OS become compromised, you just flatten a $25 USB stick with a hammer, and start a new one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 07, 2015 02:12 AM (IAqcp)



OK, so here's the thing -- everyone understands that hard disks are sticky, magnetic, balls-of-suck for malware. Furthermore, exposure to the internet creates immense opportunities for malware to compromise your machine.



With a "boot from a memory stick" approach, you're saying it's an acceptable risk that any other hardware on your system could be exposed -- and that you'd discover your memory stick was compromised before it could lead to other, cascading breaches -- and that any "router siblings" were safe from attack.



OTOH, with the "virtual machine" approach, you have two key advantages: first, every session begins with a known-good situation; second, any compromises are thrown-away at the end of a session. In addition, you have the advantage that virtual-machine interfaces to real hardware can be controlled.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:24 AM (EzgxV)

476 I'm not usually a "ban it!" kind of guy, but they really need to increase penalties for people caught writing malware, and go to more effort to hunt their asses down and hold them responsible.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 02:28 AM (J+mig)

477 Okay... eyelids are finally drooping.

I'm headed to bed.

G'Night, Ev'ry-Buddy!

*static*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 02:30 AM (OQ9R7)

478 OTOH, with the "virtual machine" approach, you have two key
advantages: first, every session begins with a known-good situation;
second, any compromises are thrown-away at the end of a session. In
addition, you have the advantage that virtual-machine interfaces to real
hardware can be controlled.


Just so we're clear, all I can actually tell you is "beep" or "boop".

I can make either sonorous, dolorous, or a tone to affect the human heart, but in the end, you have choice.

Beep.

Or boop.

Posted by: let's start at the very beginning, a very good place to start at July 07, 2015 02:30 AM (9RnWu)

479 With a "boot from a memory stick" approach, you're saying it's an acceptable risk that any other hardware on your system could be exposed -- and that you'd discover your memory stick was compromised before it could lead to other, cascading breaches -- and that any "router siblings" were safe from attack.



OTOH, with the "virtual machine" approach, you have two key advantages: first, every session begins with a known-good situation; second, any compromises are thrown-away at the end of a session. In addition, you have the advantage that virtual-machine interfaces to real hardware can be controlled.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:24 AM (EzgxV)


What Slax is saying, is that you don't even have to use "your" machine. Your computing environment is portable, and lives on your keychain. You could presumably run it on a machine with no HDD at all, so unless you managed to pick up a malware that could infect the BIOS, there's no hardware that can be compromised, other than you flash drive, which is an expendable item.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 07, 2015 02:30 AM (IAqcp)

480 478 ...and that's why I don't have a congregation, cooth! ...lol.

While I may paint pretty words that may comfort souls, I'll need to delve deeper into my soul to find something to contain "The Thing" that allows me to cry out with vitriol after declaring that I wish to be an instrument of peace.

Humility... it's whats for breakfast.



Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 02:20 AM (OQ9R7)




I hate to be the one that breaks this to you, Slap......but you do have a congregation. You've just never met them face-to-face, for the most part. And we know you're flawed and will rib you for it -- but always want to hear your testimony.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:31 AM (EzgxV)

481

Does the http://slax.org distribution support virtual machines?

If not, then which distribution(s) does / do?

Posted by: Arbalest at July 07, 2015 02:33 AM (FlRtG)

482 Come on, "The Sound of Music", but with robots!

Droids!

Whatever.

"Beep, a noise, a sound-card noise.
Boop, another sound-card vibe."

That's two lines, for free!

Like Hammerstein ever did the like.

Posted by: million-dollar idea at July 07, 2015 02:34 AM (9RnWu)

483 Well, I am out for the night. Good night to all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 07, 2015 02:34 AM (IAqcp)

484 483 OTOH, with the "virtual machine" approach, you have two key
advantages: first, every session begins with a known-good situation;
second, any compromises are thrown-away at the end of a session. In
addition, you have the advantage that virtual-machine interfaces to real
hardware can be controlled.

Just so we're clear, all I can actually tell you is "beep" or "boop".

I can make either sonorous, dolorous, or a tone to affect the human heart, but in the end, you have choice.

Beep.

Or boop.

Posted by: let's start at the very beginning, a very good place to start at July 07, 2015 02:30 AM (9RnWu)




Yeah, whatever this guy just said.....which segues into "you do, however, need some integrity in keeping the virtual machines within their restrictions."

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:35 AM (EzgxV)

485 Well whatever else they were, the Japanese who conceived and undertook
not just December 7 everything else from 1931 on didn't show much
cowardice. Though why Adm. Kurita withdrew from the Leyte landing areas -
when his mission was easily understood as one from which he was not
expected to return - still surprises me.

The total - and
ingenious - mobilization of America's talents and resources in WWII
continue to amaze, as many years as I have been reading the history. To
coordinate fleet air defense activities against Japanese aerial attacks,
the Navy employed high-powered Wall Street traders in the combat
control centers of a task force. People accustomed to constant,
high-pressure, short-fuze high-stakes decisions. Brilliant.

Of
course the thing about Leyte Gulf (not alone in this respect, but by far
the most spectacular example) was that it showed Americanmilitary
prowess was NOT simply a product of huge material superiority. The Axis
greatly misjudged our toughness and deadliness (as did Saddam, who
stopped by a Vietnamese contract labor camp before Gulf War I to hear
tales of defeating America in battle, and instead to his discomfort was
warned that fighting the US was a nightmare - constant pressure,
constant innovation, and that US soldiers were as good as any in the
world).


Yea. That's what we CAN do. What we SHOULD do. DO I have any confidence that we will do it anymore? Enn to the Oh.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 07, 2015 02:35 AM (WvS3w)

486 484 With a "boot from a memory stick" approach, you're saying it's an acceptable risk that any other hardware on your system could be exposed -- and that you'd discover your memory stick was compromised before it could lead to other, cascading breaches -- and that any "router siblings" were safe from attack.



OTOH, with the "virtual machine" approach, you have two key advantages: first, every session begins with a known-good situation; second, any compromises are thrown-away at the end of a session. In addition, you have the advantage that virtual-machine interfaces to real hardware can be controlled.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:24 AM (EzgxV)


What Slax is saying, is that you don't even have to use "your" machine. Your computing environment is portable, and lives on your keychain. You could presumably run it on a machine with no HDD at all, so unless you managed to pick up a malware that could infect the BIOS, there's no hardware that can be compromised, other than you flash drive, which is an expendable item.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 07, 2015 02:30 AM (IAqcp)




So you'd theoretically be ok with taking a r/w thumbdrive to a library, rebooting off of that, cruising websites that compromised your thumbdrive and the library computer, and moving on? Then, if you later detected malware on your thumbdrive, crushing it without informing the library?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:39 AM (EzgxV)

487 481 I'm not usually a "ban it!" kind of guy, but they really need to increase penalties for people caught writing malware, and go to more effort to hunt their asses down and hold them responsible.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 02:28 AM (J+mig)



Writing? How 'bout using?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:41 AM (EzgxV)

488 I just finished watching the Oscar-nominated film "Boyhood" -- the one with (Oscar-nominated) Patricia Arquette that was filmed over the span of 12 years using the same actors showing them as they age.

Hey, great gimmick, let's all praise the director, let's give the film the Golden Globe for Best Film of 2014, let's nominate it for the Best Film Oscar, etc. etc.

Holy shit.

It's not that the film was "bad" -- it's that it was pure nothingness. Nearly 3 hours long, and almost NOTHING occurs during the entire film.

I've seen a lifetime's worth of art-house films and foreign films and Soviet films and indy films and underground films and every other kind of film, and NONE of them can touch "Boyhood" for sheer emptiness, meaninglessness, pointlessness, nihilism, plotlessness, and boredom.

The gimmick is totally wasted. Although the actors physically age, they have no character arc, they do not emotionally change, every scene is totally disconnected from the next scene, so everything that "happens" is without point.

It's not even a "documentary" about "real life" -- it's a scripted fiction film with actors. So the director really has no excuse. But from what I just read afterward, he didn't even have a script or a plot in mind -- he just summoned all the actors every year or two and filmed them standing around and mumbling.

Even worse, and there's no way the director could have foreseen this, but the two child actors, who start the film at age 6 and 8, did NOT grow up to have adult acting skills. (Very few people can make that transition -- Judy Garland, Leonardo diCaprio, Natalie Portman are examples of child actors who became good adult actors, but most fail as adults.) But the whole film is already based around them, so the director was committed to sticking with them for the entire 12 years. But with each passing scene/year it become exponentially more agonizing as we are forced to watch a completely talentless teen non-actor awkwardly mumble some improvised lines. One review I just read theorized that he must have been given horse tranquilizers prior to each scene, and I think that' s an accurate supposition.

The final indignity is that about every 20 minutes in the "proceedings" -- the word "plot" is entirely inappropriate here -- the director (Linklater) throws in some heavy-handed liberal lecture lambasting George Bush, praising Obama, mocking Christians and veterans, fetishizing illegal immigrants -- absolute torture.

Do not be fooled by the worshipful reviews and Oscar nominations. "Boyhood" is one of the all-time epic cinematic disasters.

Posted by: zombie at July 07, 2015 02:44 AM (jBuUi)

489 Well, I am out for the night. Good night to all.

How the googly am I going to work this into the score?

Posted by: Horrocks' Oscar Gilbert-Sullivan Hart-Rodgers XXX Corps at July 07, 2015 02:46 AM (9RnWu)

490 Posted by: zombie at July 07, 2015 02:44 AM (jBuUi)



And, yet, much of this could have been foreseen.....

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:47 AM (EzgxV)

491 Well, I am out for the night. Good night to all.

How the googly am I going to work this into the score?


Good night to all,
I know the score ...
It's a good night night to all,
when I do not snore ...

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Critic ... at July 07, 2015 02:51 AM (bVIxt)

492 I didn't watch Boyhood, but I did sit through "Whiplash", mostly because it sounded like a good '80s VanDamme v Lundgren title.

Nah, it was OK, tortured artist suffers for his art, then suffers some more whatever.

Posted by: there is no pain, you are receding at July 07, 2015 02:52 AM (9RnWu)

493 496 Well, I am out for the night. Good night to all.

How the googly am I going to work this into the score?

Good night to all,
I know the score ...
It's a good night night to all,
when I do not snore ...

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Critic ... at July 07, 2015 02:51 AM (bVIxt)



The 'ettes do not snore


Nor burp, nor fart.....


'Cause all we adore


'Tis 'performance art'.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:54 AM (EzgxV)

494 I'm out for the night,
Pray creatures, so not bite,
At least no blood, within my sight,
But since I'm sleeping and can't see, it should be all right ...

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Critic ... at July 07, 2015 02:56 AM (bVIxt)

495 cthulhu at July 07, 2015 02:54 AM (EzgxV)

There has to be a 'sneeze' in there somewhere ... to be up to the Displaceable Me standard, anyway ...

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Critic ... at July 07, 2015 02:58 AM (bVIxt)

496 An Oil Worker
A cool berserker
something something something
Shake it off

Posted by: lyrics for free (for a good reason) at July 07, 2015 03:00 AM (9RnWu)

497 *unstatic*

One of these days, I'll need to republish the "White Boy Rap" to show you what tone, cadence, beat and rhythm actually mean.

*static*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 03:01 AM (OQ9R7)

498 One of these days, I'll need to republish the "White Boy Rap" to show you what tone, cadence, beat and rhythm actually mean.

I know! I know!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Z_AkuzB_0

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Critic ... at July 07, 2015 03:07 AM (bVIxt)

499 Totally OT, we've acquired a bunch of carnivorous plants. Essentially, they went carnivore because their boggy homeland was devoid of minerals or nutrients.....so they require RO water to get by and actually like DI.




Anyway, for anyone similarly interested, Whole Paycheck has dispensers at $0.45/gallon -- bring your own bucket.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 07, 2015 03:20 AM (EzgxV)

500

" ...we've acquired a bunch of carnivorous plants.


No, C. I've been there. You have Charlie, squatting there, getting stronger every minute.

Posted by: CPT Benjamin L. Willard at July 07, 2015 03:25 AM (FlRtG)

501 Are any of them named Seymour?

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Critic ... at July 07, 2015 03:25 AM (bVIxt)

502 Ma'am?

I'm not black, I don't rap to the gangsta' tones.
I got the Beasties on wax, so I'm rollin' the bones.
I'm a beer-drinkin', head-bangin' metal creation.

-No beat
-In my feet
'Cause I'm what?
-Causasian

*Eminence Front*

I'm not Hispanic or Eurasian
No Italian in my blood.
Got a nice half-acre, quiet neighborhood.
No Barrios or Marios
No ghetto or "hood"

...just a patio, a deck
...a nice view of the woods.

-Never been one to get too cocky.
-Kick back, six-pack, pop in "Rocky."
-I drink a lot of beer and don't like saki.
Ev'ry-now-and-then-I-watch-a-little-hockey.

*Eminence Front*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 03:38 AM (OQ9R7)

503 ...so there's that.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 03:40 AM (OQ9R7)

504 *static*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 03:48 AM (OQ9R7)

505 Elmer Fudd Wappin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzHHNASSUt4

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Critic ... at July 07, 2015 03:55 AM (bVIxt)

506 Roses are red,
Songs are for singing ...
I'd insert a pithy saying here,
But nothing, tonight, is zinging ...

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Critic ... at July 07, 2015 03:57 AM (bVIxt)

507 Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 07, 2015 03:38 AM (OQ9R7)

*SNERK*
Reminds me simultaneously of David Hewlett's "Slug White Nerd" (you may know him best as Rodney McKay from Stargate Atlantis) and a hilarious semi-rap by Die Prinzen entitled, I kid you not, "Ich Kann Nicht Rappen" (I Can't Rap). I call it a semi-rap because the rhythm intentionally falters every few lines. And the punchline is, "Ich weiss was besseres: Ich kann singen" (I can do something better: I can sing)!

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at July 07, 2015 04:06 AM (iuQS7)

508 Your thumb drive becomes your computer.

Most malware needs to infect the os and it's files.

you can set this up so that any other volumes present don't mount when you load the stick.

The only thing that can be infected is the stick.

And you can put some stringent virus scanner on it for when you go exploring the deepest darkest parts of the jungle.

From what I read there's all sorts of things you can set up to prevent any malware loading.

It won't even see the libraries disks. (although a lot of libraries you can't reboot them so you won't be able to load the stick.

Maybe that wasn't clear, this is a BOOTABLE USB STICK that has a full OS on it.

It's like a different computer.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:07 AM (x3GpS)

509 I found this during my quest to find a linux distro I can live with.

I can see the day coming where even though it's working fine, I won't be able to get much usability out of my xp.

As of now I can't get java updates as they are not covering XP.

Other stuff isn't putting out upgrades to drivers and execs for XP.

(thanks microduh)

So I wanted something to play with. I google for the easiest Linux os on a usb stick and slax is what came up.

And compared to the rigamarole that you have to do for other distros, it is the easiest to put on a stick.

I can remember not more a few years ago where it took like 4 websites and hours of reading to figure out how you could maybe put a distro on a stick.

Now it's been automated and dumbed down so even a lazy dork like me can get er done.

I was pleasantly surprised considering that every linux distro I've ever tried to install has been a failure of one sort or another (usually incompatible hardware).

This worked out of the "box"

Now I can play around to see how stuff is configured and where to find utils and apps and stuff and then, then I can put a full linux ox on my current machine. (can't afford a new one and they all come with win 7 or 8 and my hardware won't work with it.)

it has the added benefit of being a nice sandbox to play around in and if something dreadful happens just wipe the stick and start over. (I will be exploring that also.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:17 AM (x3GpS)

510 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:07 AM (x3GpS)

I've been running all my OSs from flash drives for years. I would never even think of installing an OS on a hard drive anymore. I've been telling people this for years but no one ever seems to listen. They don't know how simple life is made with this. And most flavors of linux are easily flash bootable.

The main part of the OS is all kept in a squashed file that cannot be written to, so it can never be infected by anything. The size of this main OS file can vary. Most people start out with the basic parts of the OS in the file and then add the rest of the OS in their persistence partition (which can be attacked, though it really isn't a big concern). As one gets familiar with the flash OS system, though, one can move larger parts of the OS to the read only squash file. This isn't really necessary but for any super-paranoid people it can give them some extra peace of mind.

I have a bunch of flashes with my basic OS set up (and special set ups) and I take them with me and just use whatever laptop or desktop I have available. If I care to take all of my home settings then I can - though I've rarely needed or wanted this.

backups are easier than anything (just rsync the persistence partition and copy it back if the flash gets corrupted - which does happen for various reasons now and again). In most of these cases the partition can just be restored with a file system check and repair, but, if not then just copy the saved image and start right up.

As I said, I've recommended working off of flash drives to everyone. Nothing beats it. I started becasue I had old "dead" laptops without HDs and needed to do some work ... and I've never looked back.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 07, 2015 04:17 AM (MYSVz)

511 Okay. I see I'm talking to myself.

but that's okay that happens a lot as I get older.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:18 AM (x3GpS)

512 How do you backup the stick?

I havent' got that far yet. I want to back up the stick after I know nothing bad happened so that when something does, I can just put it all back on again. But I'd rather not start fresh and reset everything.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:20 AM (x3GpS)

513 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:20 AM (x3GpS)

Either you have a persistence file (called 'casper-rw') in the main partition with the OS or - and this is the way you should have it - you have a persistence partition on the stick named 'casper-rw''. (Well, I don't know what the names of yours are but Debian distros seem to all use 'casper-rw' for their persistence)

To backup the OS (everything you've added, changed, etc. you need to just copy this. If it's a file then copy the file, but if it's a partition then you copy that. In Linux, it's easiest to just use the "rsync" command to copy all the partition files to some backup directory. You also have to throw in a "sudo" to be able to get all the admin files and such. BTW, you have to have gotten onto the system without persistence to do this. You should have an option for booting up that way - static, or however they term it. You can copy the persistence partition while it's active, but then you end up saving a few quirky parts. Nothing that will hurt anything but just a little less than "clean".

So, for me, I just boot up without persistence and type:

sudo rsync -avzu /media/casper-rw/ /some-path-tobackup-dir/

and everything is copied directly. You can also squash the partition ('mksquashfs") which is easy and better ...

If your persistence is through a file in your OS directory then you just copy that file. All the added info you did is in that file.

I keep all my really important stuff off the flash stick - on regular HDDs and others. I use the flash stick just for the OS, some settings for surfing and such and temporary storage. If anything is important, it goes into a regular hard drive or a flash stick I use just for storing stuff.

Oh, and you should partition a hard drive on your system to give a small swap partition. You don't have to, but it helps if you can.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 07, 2015 04:34 AM (MYSVz)

514 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:20 AM (x3GpS)

You might also just have a "Backup" utility that does all that automatically. I don't know. I do it by hand so I've never looked but I think it's probably there. That would be the easiest way

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 07, 2015 04:43 AM (MYSVz)

515 Thanks, that's good stuff. I remember reading that when I was looking into this slax it mentioned the casper-rw file/partition.

And slax does have a menu on startup to be persistent or not.

I haven't looked forward to dinking with the os for quite a while. It just became too complicated and fraught with pitfalls.

I run a monthly clone of my hard disk and weekly incremental backupss but I still would like the security of linux and having some sort of sandbox so that if things do go wrong I'm not buried under trying to reinstall xp. Not now that it's been obsoleted. (thanks MicroDuh)

As I said, this was the fastest cleanest no glitch os install I've ever experienced. Like the way things SHOULD have been (once again THANKS MicroDuh)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:51 AM (x3GpS)

516 Remember being a totalitarian is in the Russian blood.
Good morning Hordes.

Posted by: skip at July 07, 2015 04:53 AM (AhWx2)

517 I thought this the other day: maybe things have gotten so crazy because we just don't have pleasant and happy entertainment anymore.

Back in the '40's and '50's they had stage musicals and movie musicals big production numbers and it was uplifting.

Now everything is dark and grim and to me a lot of rap is really evil and that's all you hear.

Life sucks even when you try to make it better. The US has been beating itself up for 30 years now.

Time to stop. time to be happy and quit being so freaking outraged about everything.

Sure we all know life sucks and then you die but geesh you don't have to make your and everyone else's daily life one continuous rant of hate and discontent. (I know I can be as guilty as anyone else but good god people just stop being so pissed off all the time. And it's college kids. They have no RIGHT to be pissed off.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:57 AM (x3GpS)

518 Posted by: skip at July 07, 2015 04:53 AM (AhWx2)

It comes because of the god awful winters they have there.

It's worse than S/N Dakota. Miles and miles of nothing but wind, dust and snow in the winter.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:59 AM (x3GpS)

519 As I said, this was the fastest cleanest no glitch os install I've ever experienced. Like the way things SHOULD have been (once again THANKS MicroDuh)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 07, 2015 04:51 AM (x3GpS)


Yep. Nothing beats it.

But do look into backing up your casper-rw file/partition. That's where all the changes you've made to your OS are and that will get corrupted at some point. Either your power will go out on you or something. When that happens, you first try to fix it by booting non-persistent and checking the file system on the casper-rw (e2fsck) but sometimes you have to just grab the backup copy. Again, once you do that it's totally painless.

And I would stress, anything that's really important you'll want to copy from your home folders onto your long term storage - downloads and such that went to ~/Downloads ... stuff like that. But, anything that's really important should always be kept in two separate copies, anyway.

BTW, lots of people liked to use unetbootin to create bootable flashes. They let you make flashes of pretty much any linux distro and some other OSs, too. I haven't used it in a long time so I don't know if it's still around, but it was a good program.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 07, 2015 05:09 AM (MYSVz)

520 "time to be happy..."

well i'll tell you something. it's a quest. it's a quest for fun. you're gonna have fun and i'm gonna have fun. we're all gonna have so much f*cking fun we're gonna need plastic surgery to remove our goddamn smiles.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 07, 2015 05:26 AM (CrYC8)

521 now that daddy's took the t-bird away

Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2015 05:40 AM (HtUkt)

522 'Sup, Peeps?

Posted by: fluffy at July 07, 2015 06:15 AM (2iV3X)

523 The lack of pleasant and happy entertainment is a symptom of something bigger, not the cause of all the crazy. Back in the '40's and '50's, most people still believed in God, still believed it was important to be good, still believed in an objective morality. A belief in God should lead to a happy outlook on life.

Posted by: biancaneve at July 07, 2015 06:17 AM (vP4/o)

524 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 07, 2015 06:17 AM (VPLuQ)

525 NATO fight a war against Russia?

Not happening. Everyone except the Poles are waiting for the U.S. to fight for them.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 07, 2015 06:41 AM (6yehy)

526 Plenty of Jumbo Jets at the Brussels's Airport to evacuate all the EU Golden Pheasants. Got to keep your eye on what is important here.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 07, 2015 06:49 AM (6yehy)

527 The miracle of another day. Pause and be thankful.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 07, 2015 06:57 AM (VcOqI)

528 Looks like another late thread day.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:04 AM (GpgJl)

529 Well, looks like a certain member of the VIA household is waking up to their 17th birthday, today.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 07, 2015 07:07 AM (VPLuQ)

530 Looks like another late thread day. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:04 AM

We have a RIGHT to an on-time EMT! It's in the emanations and penumbras!

Do something about it, willya, Vic?

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 07:11 AM (P8YHq)

531 530 Do something about it, willya, Vic?


Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 07:11 AM (P8YHq)

OK
Good Morning Morons. Today is Tuesday, July 07, 2015. On this day in 1928 sliced bread was sold for the first time (on the inventor's 48th birthday) by the Chillicothe Baking Company of Chillicothe, Missouri. Soon people were questioning what could be better than sliced bread.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:13 AM (GpgJl)

532 Here is someone with the CDC who will not have a job for long. And he will have every alphabet agency in DC climbing up his ass.


A federal health official dealing with the surge of illegal immigrants last year at the southern U.S. border ripped President Obama for the months-long crisis, calling him a Marxist and the worst pres we have ever had, according to newly released internal emails.



http://fxn.ws/1Clby7E

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:14 AM (GpgJl)

533 Putin sent two "Bear" bombers to the US on July 4th.


http://fxn.ws/1NIWeSD

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:14 AM (GpgJl)

534 The Italians have a method for Greece to obtain more loans. Get the banks to accept cheeses for collateral on loans. Of course, someone has to be willing to make the cheese first.


http://fxn.ws/1H66rV7

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:14 AM (GpgJl)

535 The SC Senate voted yesterday to remove the CBF from the memorial on the Statehouse grounds. The House is yet to vote.


http://fxn.ws/1IFTLJ9

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:14 AM (GpgJl)

536 The Dept of agriculture is finally admitting that grocery prices are going through the roof. Hey, let's print some more money to pay off all the FSA stuff.


http://aol.it/1fjwD88

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:15 AM (GpgJl)

537 RIP Jerry Weintraub at 77.


http://fxn.ws/1RhKWL7

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:15 AM (GpgJl)

538 RINO Rubio is going after the NYT now after they did a hatchet job based on interviewing Cubans.


http://bit.ly/1CiGODV

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:15 AM (GpgJl)

539 E-mails show that the EPA coordinated with the Center For American Progress to disseminate and write its propaganda for new regulations. This is a tax exempt political organization for Democrats. Why it is still tax exempt is simply amazing since it has been around since 2003 when we at real Americans in the WH. And if I am not mistaken it is also illegal for government departments to coordinate these activities with an outside political group. But I will not hold my breath waiting for the corrupt IRS to revoke its 501C(3) status or the equally corrupt DOJ to prosecute. BTW, this is the second time the EPA has been found illegally coordinating its activities with outside groups. In my opinion the EPA has become a criminal empire and should be abolished.


http://fxn.ws/1gkdq6r

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:15 AM (GpgJl)

540 And speaking of hatchet jobs, the WaPo is going after Trump today.


http://wapo.st/1HcIA8z

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:16 AM (GpgJl)

541 Commie Sanders has Scankles worried in Iowa now.


http://nyti.ms/1KHNQFf

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:16 AM (GpgJl)

542 I guess after we get rid of the CBF and the statue of Pitchfork Ben Tillman we have to get rid of all the statues of Columbus too.


http://bit.ly/1KJtgnU

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:16 AM (GpgJl)

543 Another woman revealed to seek job advancement through fake racial identity claims. I find all this racial preference for hiring amazing since it is illegal according to the civil rights act of 1964.


http://bit.ly/1H6kxG0

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:16 AM (GpgJl)

544 Bill Clinton got almost $9,000 worth of free limousine service paid for by the US taxpayer in Paris. Why?


http://bit.ly/1CmdlJt

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:17 AM (GpgJl)

545 The DNC has hired that idiot woman who took a smiling selfie at the scene of a deadly explosion in NYC. Imagine if a Republican did this the 24/7 news cycle would still be screaming.


http://bit.ly/1S53LfU

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:17 AM (GpgJl)

546 A slow walk-A "Our Daily Bread" devotional:

http://odb.org

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2015 07:17 AM (OSs/l)

547 The MFM still worships Obama and kisses his ass while the public has zero confidence in him are the rest of the government. So how did this incompetent Marxist get reelected? I am really beginning to suspect vote fraud in key States.


http://bit.ly/1IGpaev

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:17 AM (GpgJl)

548 Ted Cruz has endorsed Mike Flynn in IL-18.


http://bit.ly/1CmetNn

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:17 AM (GpgJl)

549
BB lists the reasons the MFM agreed to be hog-tied by Scankles during a parade. But it all boils down to what I said a few days ago, they worship her and all Democrats and they do not give a shit about the country as long as the Marxists are in charge.


http://bit.ly/1NKBmud

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:18 AM (GpgJl)

550 Boner goes to meeting at overseas chamber of commerce and vows to fight for amnesty for illegals. We truly do not have a party people.


http://bit.ly/1fiLuj5

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:18 AM (GpgJl)

551 Obama says he will veto the defense spending bill because it diverts money from his over-spent socialist programs to defense. (Note: After today this is the last time I will use the WaEx web site for news links. It has joined the DC in becoming a massive computer lockup due to auto-play videos etc.)


http://washex.am/1Ma9qiZ

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:18 AM (GpgJl)

552 MI lawmakers are taking action to reign in civil asset forfeiture. The article here say laws that allow them to do this. I know of no laws that have been passed that allow them to take property BEFORE anyone is convicted.


http://dailysign.al/1gkpG6V

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:18 AM (GpgJl)

553 Ramirez (must see)


http://bit.ly/1CXDAAG

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:19 AM (GpgJl)

554 IBD says there is more to the Greek default than just Greece.


http://bit.ly/1CXDObd

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:19 AM (GpgJl)

555 IBD examines why Greeks are such bad tax cheats. And it is easy to see why. I once read an article years ago that said once a nation's taxes go over 50% tax cheating starts to rise.


http://bit.ly/1J1XnRH

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:19 AM (GpgJl)

556 A new rule the shitty Piss Dodd/Bwarny Fwank crapola bill REQUIRES Wallstreet to start affirmative actions programs starting next month. And what did that have to do with the housing/banking collapse? NOTHING.


http://bit.ly/1JRajg1

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:19 AM (GpgJl)

557 The Daily Deals


http://amzn.to/1H9rwx4


That's it for today folks.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:20 AM (GpgJl)

558 Sacred Space-

Daily Online devotional:

http://www.sacredspace.ie

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2015 07:21 AM (OSs/l)

559 Mid-Air Refueling for commercial passenger jets?

http://tinyurl.com/oocqamb

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 07:23 AM (O7MnT)

560 I find all this racial preference for hiring amazing since it is illegal according to the civil rights act of 1964. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:16 AM

As usual, the courts and the government in D.C. are interpreting the laws in their own ways. It's okay for a member of their Favored Groups to get preferential treatment, because Black!, Woman!, Transgender!, Mexican!, etcetera.

It's just us nasty, racisty honky mofos who need to be suppressed and give up our place at the head of the line. We have it so good, and people like this brave Cherokee Woman -- and, of course, Lieawtha Warren -- who are Standing Up to Oppression must be favored.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 07:25 AM (P8YHq)

561 After today this is the last time I will use the WaEx web site for news links. It has joined the DC in becoming a massive computer lockup due to auto-play videos etc

Good call.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 07:25 AM (O7MnT)

562 555 IBD examines why Greeks are such bad tax cheats. And it is easy to see why. I once read an article years ago that said once a nation's taxes go over 50% tax cheating starts to rise.


http://bit.ly/1J1XnRH

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:19 AM (GpgJl)

________

Yup

http://www.laffercenter.com/the-laffer-center-2/the-laffer-curve/

Posted by: Art Laffer at July 07, 2015 07:26 AM (t8sr/)

563
Boner goes to meeting at overseas chamber of commerce and vows to fight
for amnesty for illegals. We truly do not have a party people. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:18 AM


We DO have a party, Vic, but were stupid enough to let Quislings like Boner in.


Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 07:28 AM (P8YHq)

564 Boyhood" for sheer emptiness, meaninglessness, pointlessness, nihilism, plotlessness, and boredom.

So, it perfectly describes the life rich waifs in Hollywood. Providing the bedrock for a vacuous life spiced-up with narcotics, aberrant sex, and Democratic fund raisers.

Posted by: Jean at July 07, 2015 07:28 AM (ztOda)

565 Tonight is the big night on CNN, they have the Hillary interview. The excitement is building on CNN. as they promote the big event.

Posted by: Colin at July 07, 2015 07:28 AM (WQLtV)

566 I am really beginning to suspect vote fraud in key States.

What makes you think that?

Posted by: Diebold Industries, Inc. at July 07, 2015 07:28 AM (YQ63Q)

567 >>Boner goes to meeting at overseas chamber of commerce and vows to fight for amnesty for illegals.

Now that I live in Ohio, maybe I should volunteer for his opponent.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 07:31 AM (O7MnT)

568 Went to the daily deals looking for SciFi.

Waste of time.
The Social Justice Warriors Own Amazon.

IF I were to win the lotto, I'd start a publishing business for conservative point of view books and movies.

Posted by: Ollie Boxoffer at July 07, 2015 07:33 AM (CP1Yy)

569 WTF? Airlift? Where the hell is SeaLift Command in all this? The Baltic countries are called that for a reason -- They face the Baltic Sea. Yes, subs exist. That's why you have ASW capability. Regardless risks exist from the OpFor. But if you want to move serious quantities of iron rapidly there is nothing like a fast RoRo to do it.

Posted by: JohnMc at July 07, 2015 07:35 AM (RHBWt)

570 IF I were to win the lotto, I'd start a publishing business for conservative point of view books and movies.

I write conservatarian POV scifi and look forward to working with you.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 07:35 AM (O7MnT)

571 "After today this is the last time I will use the WaEx web site for news links."

Why do sites do this? I already avoid Breitbart and Daily Caller because of this crap. I'll miss reading the Examiner.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 07, 2015 07:36 AM (YFw5T)

572 IF I were to win the lotto, I'd start a publishing business for conservative point of view books and movies.

Powerball has increased the odds of winning, from impossible to really impossible, but hey, they have increased the odds of winning $4.

Posted by: Colin at July 07, 2015 07:38 AM (WQLtV)

573 BTW, the main takeaway on that Ramirez link is the fact that the workforce added 232K jobs while it declined by 429K people and yet unemployment went down.


IOW the corrupt Obama regime is lying its ass off again and and again. You can not trust ANYTHING coming out of their lying pie holes.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:40 AM (GpgJl)

574 Why do sites do this? I already avoid Breitbart and Daily Caller because of this crap.

I imagine its for the ad revenue, but I have to believe that the browser-locking bukkake of popup ads and autoplay drives down pageviews.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 07:40 AM (O7MnT)

575 571 Why do sites do this? I already avoid Breitbart and Daily Caller because of this crap. I'll miss reading the Examiner.





Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 07, 2015 07:36 AM (YFw5T)

BB doesn't give me any problems. Their videos seem to respect the script block and anti-video block I have running. DC and now WaEx don't. They manage to get around them some way.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:42 AM (GpgJl)

576 574 I imagine its for the ad revenue, but I have to
believe that the browser-locking bukkake of popup ads and autoplay
drives down pageviews.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 07:40 AM (O7MnT)

The vids they have on there are not ads, they are "news" stories.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:44 AM (GpgJl)

577 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 07, 2015 07:47 AM (ZQfW9)

578 The vids they have on there are not ads, they are "news" stories. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 07:44 AM

My autoplay blocker works fine at places like BB, and I avoid DC because it seldom has anything I want to read. Worthless content does more to discourage readership than annoying vids and popups.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 07:48 AM (P8YHq)

579 Actually, endless browser-freezing pop-ups and pop-unders on conservative sites are good for getting the message out, and here's why.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 07, 2015 07:50 AM (yxw0r)

580 I see slate is still fighting the war in entertainment, as craft beers colorful labels and dumb puns are part of what sets them apart.

Morning all.

Posted by: Lea at July 07, 2015 07:51 AM (vmMMi)

581 Why are we putting heavy units that depend on mobility in the Baltic states?

The armor should be in Poland, the tank battle for the Baltic States is won or lost 100mi up river.

Defending the Baltic's starts with a gun in every house, and a battery of mobile anti-tank weapons at every police station. Reinforced by an airborne regiment. You make them not worth the effort.

Alternatively you devolve a dozen nuclear tipped Pershings to each and walk away.

Posted by: Jean at July 07, 2015 07:56 AM (ztOda)

582 Morning, Glories!

Vic's news is posted and there's still no morning thread? This is getting bad. I blame global warming.

We were supposed to get clobbered by a storm last night. All day we hear about the gullywasher heading our way.

Late in the evening I saw on radar the storm line forming west and north of us, saw it getting bigger and scarier-looking, and heading toward us fast.

Suddenly, I saw the scary-looking part develop a gap - a gap which ended up sailing right over us.

We got enough thunder to disturb the dog a little, but so little rain that the pavement is already drying off this morning.

Cooled down nicely, though. I'll take it.

I blame solarcentric global climate dynamics.

Posted by: mindful webworker - get all the news I need on the weather report at July 07, 2015 07:56 AM (neool)

583 IF I were to win the lotto, I'd start a publishing business for conservative point of view books and movies.

Posted by: Ollie Boxoffer at July 07, 2015 07:33 AM (CP1Yy)

Not just that, but also a movie studio. Not just to publish, but to create the content. We need to compete with their entire propaganda industry.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 07:57 AM (J+mig)

584 My tinfoil hat tells me some dark Soros money is buying ad views targeted at Conservative keywords and pushing bad content.

Posted by: Jean at July 07, 2015 07:58 AM (ztOda)

585 Mother of Darwin Award winner blames lack of Government Regulation

http://tinyurl.com/px8jsa7

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 07:58 AM (O7MnT)

586 547: I am really beginning to suspect vote fraud in key States.


THIS^^^^^^^^^^

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 07, 2015 07:59 AM (HAvdB)

587 The idea of a conservative/constitutional/classical liberal/Pro-America movie studio should excite all of the authors here, too.

Your books would actually have a chance to get picked up for movie rights.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 08:00 AM (J+mig)

588 >>Here's the good news, though. Minus these basics, the USDA predicts food price inflation overall to stay pretty average this year.

From Vic's article, besides beef chicken eggs and fruits and veggies, your food prices should stay the same! Lol.

Posted by: Lea at July 07, 2015 08:01 AM (vmMMi)

589 586
547: I am really beginning to suspect vote fraud in key States.




THIS^^^^^^^^^^

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 07, 2015 07:59 AM (HAvdB)

Beginning? It's been there the whole time, it's the way Leftist political machines have always operated.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 08:01 AM (J+mig)

590 Mother of Darwin Award winner blames lack of Government Regulation Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 07:58 AM

Booze-enhanced stupidity had nothing to do with it, I guess.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 08:01 AM (P8YHq)

591 From Vic's article, besides beef chicken eggs and fruits and veggies, your food prices should stay the same! Lol.

Posted by: Lea at July 07, 2015 08:01 AM (vmMMi)

The price of Kale and Cilantro will not be affected. At least, that's what we're predicting. So all is well! Nothing to see here!

Posted by: MiniTru at July 07, 2015 08:02 AM (J+mig)

592 Kathleen Staples says she is going to reach out to lawmakers about the
possibility of tighter controls over fireworks. She says the state
should consider requiring safety training courses before allowing
someone to use them. She compared fireworks with other regulated items
such as cars and guns.

It's not my sons fault you know.

Posted by: Colin at July 07, 2015 08:02 AM (WQLtV)

593 Booze-enhanced stupidity had nothing to do with it, I guess.


Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 08:01 AM (P8YHq)

They really need to take another look, whenever they get up about banning something, about how well Prohibition worked, at how well the War on Drugs is going, and how many communities already ban many kinds of fireworks and people still get them.

The black market is astoundingly innovative, and if people want something, they will get it and the law can only punish them if it catches them or if they use it in a public fashion.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 08:04 AM (J+mig)

594 I saw I got called out in the shouty thread after I left.
I left a last comment.
Pribably mistake since I'm a) hormonal and b)haven't had coffee yet.
But seriously, getting cussed pisses me off.

Posted by: @votermom at July 07, 2015 08:05 AM (+sF5o)

595 ...The mother of a 22-year-old Maine man who tried to launch a firework off the top of his head for July Fourth and was killed instantly says she's advocating for stricter controls about who can use the explosives....

From "How Darwin Award Winners Are Created," vol 3.

Federal fireworks purchase authorization form...
7. Is your mother an idiot who raised you stupid?
8. Do you consume mass quantities of alcohol regularly?
9. Have you ever said the line, "Here, watch this"?
10. Doesn't matter. Who cares. 'Merica. Here's your fireworks. Have a day! Try not to kill yourself!

Posted by: mindful webworker - can't be the parents... at July 07, 2015 08:06 AM (neool)

596 Clearly the fireworks idiot inherited some of his stupid

Posted by: Jean at July 07, 2015 08:07 AM (ztOda)

597 Get the banks to accept cheeses for collateral on loans.

****


Okay, so you go out and produce something, say a wheel of cheese. I will assess the quality of this cheese and if it is of suitable quality I will give you some money for the cheese you produced.

This could be revolutionary. There ought to be a name for this type of activity. Any suggestions?

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 07, 2015 08:07 AM (NeFrd)

598 Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 07, 2015 08:07 AM (NeFrd)

A remarkable idea, I have never heard of such a thing. It sounds as if it would motivate people to produce a lot of cheese. We could call it cheeseism, but I just had a flash of insight. What if it could be used for things other than cheese?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 08:09 AM (J+mig)

599 I am really beginning to suspect vote fraud in key States.

As the saying goes, what was your first clue, Sherlock?

Well, now, let's see. IIRC, in the last election, all the states that had voter ID via paper ballots with dedicated poll watchers went Republican, while all the states that let anybody vote (early and often) via electronic ballots with Democrat-only poll watchers went Democrat.

Nope, can't see any possibility of fraud there.

Posted by: mindful webworker - can't be the parents... at July 07, 2015 08:09 AM (neool)

600 But seriously, getting cussed pisses me off.

Aye. Especially remotely since you can't choke the life out of the cusser.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 07, 2015 08:09 AM (rwI+c)

601 What if it could be used for things other than cheese?

Whoa.

Posted by: Neo at July 07, 2015 08:10 AM (rwI+c)

602 Mother of stupid is obviously an Obama voter. We should bring back literacy tests for voting and a common sense test. People who are dumber than a creosote post should not control other's lives by voting in Marxist dictators.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 08:11 AM (GpgJl)

603 Aye. Especially remotely since you can't choke the life out of the cusser.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 07, 2015 08:09 AM (rwI+c)

The internet would be so much better if every computer came up with a remotely-operated hand, and gave the person on the other end a "smack the stupid out of this idiot" function. I suspect that most celebrities would give up on the internet inside of a day, and most of their vapid followers shortly thereafter.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 08:12 AM (J+mig)

604 600 But seriously, getting cussed pisses me off.

Aye. Especially remotely since you can't choke the life out of the cusser.

--

Or even scour them with my patented death glare.
Webcams dilute the effect.

Posted by: @votermom at July 07, 2015 08:12 AM (pnTUQ)

605 Morning horde.

Utterly mindblowing how they're trying to spin the San Fran shooting as the fault of Republicans.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 07, 2015 08:13 AM (l1BLb)

606 What if it could be used for things other than cheese?


Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 08:09 AM (J+mig)


****

Whoa, now, that's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 07, 2015 08:13 AM (NeFrd)

607 "Or even scour them with my patented death glare. "

I had a ninety year old Latin teacher who had one of those. She was old when she tried to teach Latin to my father.

Posted by: Ollie Boxoffer at July 07, 2015 08:15 AM (FxMM1)

608 People who are dumber than a creosote post should not control other's lives by voting in Marxist dictators. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 08:11 AM

If the 52% had more than two brain cells in actual working condition, Choom Boy would be living in a cardboard box, and the halls of Congress would be empty, echoing shells.

Sorta hard to imagine what our lives would be like then....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 08:15 AM (P8YHq)

609 591 The price of Kale and Cilantro will not be affected. At least, that's what we're predicting. So all is well! Nothing to see here!


OTOH, I just looked outside, and there's still green grass out on the lawn, so we're good, I guess. That and tree bark gruel. With a little work now, you can impress your future campmates with your knowledge of edible vs deadly berries, plus where to find the tastiest insects.

Other than that, looks to be a good day.

Posted by: Agent J at July 07, 2015 08:16 AM (ueOgE)

610 I was awakened at 3AM this morning for a work problem. I look, and it's not my problem so I call back and say Call so-and-so and get them to look at it and call me back. So I potter around for an hour getting a jump on today's work and no call back. Finally I called them back and ask what did that person say. The UnHelp Desk tells me, Oh it's all fixed. I says, but but you were supposed to call me back. They say Oh, I figured you went back to bed.

I would have given half my net worth for the power of the forcechoke at that moment.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 07, 2015 08:16 AM (rwI+c)

611 >>People who are dumber than a creosote post should not control other's lives by voting in Marxist dictators.

Dim-witted people with no understanding of cause-and-effect who think Government is the answer to everything are a 52% voting majority in this country.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 08:16 AM (O7MnT)

612 608 If the 52% had more than two brain cells in actual working condition, Choom Boy would be living in a cardboard box, and the halls of Congress would be empty, echoing shells. Sorta hard to imagine what our lives would be like then....

It's called, "freedom."

Posted by: Agent J at July 07, 2015 08:17 AM (ueOgE)

613 Utterly mindblowing how they're trying to spin the San Fran shooting as the fault of Republicans.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 07, 2015 08:13 AM (l1BLb)

A predictable result of their self delusions and the mental contortionism required to maintain them, sadly. The Leftist will always come to a conclusion that's mindbogglingly at odds with reality, when it comes to anything that the political sphere touches upon.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 08:17 AM (J+mig)

614 We can't have a morning thread until the ONT reaches the diabolical number.

Oh, wait, there it is.

Posted by: mindful webworker - clarion at July 07, 2015 08:17 AM (neool)

615 Utterly mindblowing how they're trying to spin the San Fran shooting as the fault of Republicans.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 07, 2015 08:13 AM


It must be true...NBC News says so!

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 08:18 AM (P8YHq)

616 Utterly mindblowing how they're trying to spin the San Fran shooting as the fault of Republicans.

In fairness, it will probably work, after all, the CBF is a problem for the Republicans according to the State Media.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 07, 2015 08:18 AM (rwI+c)

617 I had a ninety year old Latin teacher who had one of those. She was old when she tried to teach Latin to my father.
Posted by: Ollie Boxoffer at July 07, 2015 08:15 AM (FxMM1)

--

I think they may be hereditary. Both my kids are developing their death glares quite nicely.

Posted by: @votermom at July 07, 2015 08:18 AM (UeKlg)

618 Dim-witted people with no understanding of
cause-and-effect who think Government is the answer to everything are a
52% voting majority in this country.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 07, 2015 08:16 AM (O7MnT)

It's not that they don't understand cause and effect, it's that they deny it. Leftism's based on political relativism, on a self-refuting notion that there is no truth, and if there's no truth, there's no good and right behaviors that produce success and idiotic ideas that produce failure. They see all of life as a roulette wheel, and if their ideas haven't succeeded yet, that's because the game has been rigged.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 07, 2015 08:19 AM (J+mig)

619 The Left is vulnerable on "Sanctuary Cities." Someone should make the point that this is, in fact, nullification. Lefties will find it quite difficult to oppose a nullification movement based on states' rights if they've already endorsed it to protect illegal aliens.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 07, 2015 08:19 AM (YFw5T)

620 I think no matter how stupid a child is (and they're still your child not matter if they6're 18 or 22 or older, that often the first reaction after a tragedy is shock folllowed by "We have to DO something! so it never happens again"! so yes, you would think that someone would be wise enough not to shoot fireworks off their head, but she's a devastated grieving mother. I don't expect her first reaction to be "Boy, my son made a stupid, irresponsible choice."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2015 08:21 AM (OSs/l)

621 542 I guess after we get rid of the CBF and the statue of Pitchfork Ben Tillman we have to get rid of all the statues of Columbus too.


http://bit.ly/1KJtgnU

Vic I wouldn't mind switching the locations of the Tillman statue and the Gonzales memorial
http://bit.ly/1wWNtgR

Posted by: Tmitsss at July 07, 2015 08:21 AM (Pa9vP)

622
It's not my son's fault you know.


****


He was a good boy.

Turnin' 'is life around 'e was.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 07, 2015 08:23 AM (NeFrd)

623 Rasmussen is "disturbed" that an increasing number of likely voters support the idea of telling the Supremes to pound sand.

Truth Revolt: http://tinyurl.com/o37hafl

This could be the start of something good.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 07, 2015 08:25 AM (YFw5T)

624 The Left is vulnerable on "Sanctuary Cities."
Someone should make the point that this is, in fact, nullification.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 07, 2015 08:19 AM


Too early in the morning for teh belly-laffs, dude.

The Left is vulnerable to nothing. Well, maybe certain small high-speed projectiles, but I don't wanna go there.

You need to realize that their propaganda machine is in perfect running order, ready at all times for instant action. And it is staffed by people who can shill for it with smooth perfection. They can -- and do -- spout the most egregious lies and make them sound logical.

The general public is not gonna argue with Lester Holt, Andrea "Hic!" Mitchell and Chuck Turd. Sorry.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 07, 2015 08:27 AM (P8YHq)

625 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2015 08:21 AM (OSs/l)

*****

Two quibbles with your comment FS:

1. He was NOT a child. He was an adult. Our most important role as parents is to prepare our children to function in the real world as adults without us. (I know your son has autism and understand that you struggle with this aspect of parenting). She is deflecting blame/responsibility from him and secondarily from herself.

2. It was not a preventable accident. It was a willful act of stupidity. Absolutely no rational excuse for a grown man to do this. I am certain that this was not a man who was making excellent life decisions up until that fateful moment.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 07, 2015 08:31 AM (NeFrd)

626 621 Vic I wouldn't mind switching the locations of the Tillman statue and the Gonzales memorial

http://bit.ly/1wWNtgR



Posted by: Tmitsss at July 07, 2015 08:21 AM (Pa9vP)

The "some people just need killin' memorial".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 07, 2015 08:37 AM (GpgJl)

627 I hear you, Fenelon. We have become cold in our bitterness over what the culture/state have become.

Mothers should always be excused for emotional, irrational responses to the death of their children.
Government should never be excused for it.

Posted by: typo dynamofo says, at July 07, 2015 08:45 AM (i7JE3)

628 Regarding NATO-
This is very much in line with what I was saying in another thread yesterday. There was a discussion over whether Germany could be compelled to stay in the EU through the threat of military force. I said no, citing Germany's role as the primary weapons supplier of the EU and the reliance on the US for both logistical and combat support.

One thing I didn't address is will. I don't see there being any popular will in Europe to enforce any edicts on Germany through military force.

Worse still, the lack of both capable military defense and popular will in Europe leaves them defenseless against any external aggression- Neo-Sov Federation, for example.

Posted by: Commissar M at July 07, 2015 11:01 AM (eA74C)

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