Gun Thread - Post Independence Day Edition [Weirddave]

Gun of the Week

Obergefell v. Hodges

Gun rights groups find a side to gay marriage ruling that will make liberal heads EXPLODE

The headline is hyperbolic, but it does bring up a good point: A consistent reading of Obergefell SHOULD result in CC permits from one state being recognized in all 50 states. Will it? I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Defensive Gun Use of the Week

AK-47s SAVE LIVES: Las Vegas Man Uses Iconic Rifle To Successfully Defend Family During Home Invasion

Despite cries from gun control supporters, agenda-driven politicians, and a smug-but-ignorant media that intermediate caliber, semi-automatic carbines are “weapons of war” with “no legitimate civilian use,” firearms such as the AKM and the ubiquitous AR-15 are in fact excellent home defense firearms, and are the preferred home defense firearm of many tactical firearm trainers and expert shooters.
These personal defense rifles are low-recoiling, have a decent magazine capacity, are short enough (in carbine form) to be very maneuverable, and they much easier to shoot with reasonable combat accuracy under high stress than handguns. Rifle bullets also carry far-more fighting-stopping energy than pistol bullets, typically meaning that home defenders have to make fewer hits to stop attackers. Amazingly, while it may seem paradoxical to some, using these rifles can deliver more energy to target than any pistol, yet pose a lesser risk of over-penetration compared to common handgun ammunition if fragmenting hollowpoint ammunition is selected.

I wonder if the victim defended himself with a foreign made AK, or a homegrown one?

American-made Kalashnikovs go on sale

Guess Who is Running for President?

More SCOTUS

D.C. can deny residents concealed gun requests while stay is appealed

Gunhinged

#GunSense always means bathing in the blood of innocents for your own sick political jihad.

Semper Fi

G.O.T.W. Answer

That's a Winchester Model 190. It's the gun (or one almost identical) that we all learned to shoot with. It's the GOTW because Little just used one to tie for first place in the kid's shoot at a local gun and rod club.

The Law of Self Defense, the how-to manual for gun ownership.

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1 A consistent reading of Obergefell SHOULD result in CC permits from one state being recognized in all 50 states. Will it?

Not NO, but HELL NO!

Obergefell was purely arbitrary. Any published opinion on 'rational' was purely out of the SCrUTUS tradition of having to publish something rather than recording a voice vote.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 05, 2015 06:29 PM (NaeCR)

2 Yay! Gun thread!

Posted by: EC at July 05, 2015 06:29 PM (OcsgQ)

3 Nice reading of "Where the Sidewalk Ends" by Helen Mirren.

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 06:30 PM (OimzZ)

4 Oh perfect timing.

I was thinking of asking for a .22 "plinking" gun for Christmas.

Obviously the Ruger 10/22 is the stand buy in that category. Anyone else got any recommendations?

Price does matter (We have a 6 month old after all) Holding in that 10/22 price range ($225-250) or even lower would be great.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at July 05, 2015 06:30 PM (s92xH)

5 They will use the Obergefell decision to ban guns in all 50 States.

Posted by: eman at July 05, 2015 06:31 PM (MQEz6)

6 Speaking of triggers, shit, the Challenger explosion still looks horrible.

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 06:31 PM (OimzZ)

7 Price does matter (We have a 6 month old after all) Holding in that 10/22 price range ($225-250) or even lower would be great.

The Mossberg 702 is the equivalent and slightly cheaper. I've seen them go $140 new.

Posted by: EC at July 05, 2015 06:33 PM (OcsgQ)

8 And the wife is "interested" in a wheel gun. No snub nosed though. The longer the barrel, the better. Something like a 686.

*suddenly feels inadequate*

Posted by: EC at July 05, 2015 06:35 PM (OcsgQ)

9 They will use the Obergefell decision to ban guns in all 50 States.

Posted by: eman

I think that's closer to it.

Scotus is now only a vote or a case away from the evisceration of the 2nd Amendment rights.
That pesky Constitution. It's gotta go.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 05, 2015 06:35 PM (+1T7c)

10 This site wreaks havoc on my iPad. Anyone else having Safari crash from browsing just this site?

Posted by: EC at July 05, 2015 06:36 PM (OcsgQ)

11 Sorta off topic:

Alright, I gotta say it.

Little is really a cute kid. WeirdDave, you and Gingy made a very handsome child.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 05, 2015 06:37 PM (+1T7c)

12 Been trying out four 9mm for my first purchase. Still narrowing down based on shooting range results but curious as to opinions form those here:

Glock 19
Smith Wesson MP
Walther PPQ
Smithfield XDM9

Posted by: Vinylman at July 05, 2015 06:39 PM (jJnEx)

13 Had to turn off the JavaScript.

Posted by: EC at July 05, 2015 06:39 PM (OcsgQ)

14 I remember fondly my first .22 plinking gun a Remington nylon 66. The 10-22 is probably a better gun mechanically but the Nylon 66 gave me hours of youthful pleasure.

Posted by: Robinson at July 05, 2015 06:39 PM (1SHv1)

15 11 Sorta off topic:

Alright, I gotta say it.

Little is really a cute kid. WeirdDave, you and Gingy made a very handsome child.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 05, 2015 06:37 PM (+1T7c)

--Agreed. Good teeth on 'im.

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 06:40 PM (OimzZ)

16 Gov. Butterball is a gun-grabber.

That ad is a good trainng item for propaganda makers.

Family on one side, mug shots and a giant gun on the other.

Posted by: eman at July 05, 2015 06:40 PM (MQEz6)

17
I always loved the expression "wreak havoc" ever since I was 16 and in Driver's Ed(ucation). They showed a film of crash-test dummies going through windshields upon impact and the narrator casually mentioned how the broken glass can wreak havoc on one's head, face, neck, and body. Indeed, thought I.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 05, 2015 06:40 PM (hh8hB)

18 The headline is hyperbolic, but it does bring up a good point: A consistent reading of Obergefell SHOULD result in CC permits from one state being recognized in all 50 states.
I would think that Obergefell should pretty much strike down all state laws entirely.
Why should one state have higher tax rates than another? Higher speed limits? Different age of consent?
Why aren't all those protections equal???
Stupid effing decision.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 05, 2015 06:41 PM (oVJmc)

19 11, 15 Thanks.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 05, 2015 06:42 PM (WvS3w)

20 Vinylman, which one are you the most accurate with?

Posted by: EC at July 05, 2015 06:44 PM (OcsgQ)

21 The Marlin model 60 is a nice little plinker.
I still have mine that I got over 30 years ago.

Posted by: Chi at July 05, 2015 06:45 PM (F0Qf/)

22 There's no statement in the Articles that all states must give full faith and credit to any contract made in another state. Only marriages.

Since states can have different rules about discharging a firearm it is only proper that nobody tote a gun in a state without knowing when, in that state, it is legal to shoot someone. Florida will apparently give you 20 years for a warning shot.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 05, 2015 06:45 PM (8rRE+)

23
They will use the Obergefell decision to ban guns in all 50 States.
Posted by: eman

Soon to be settled law.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 05, 2015 06:45 PM (kdS6q)

24 Posted by: Vinylman at July 05, 2015 06:39 PM

They are all good weapons. I would go with:
a) The one that feels good in your hand and which you can easily operate with one hand; and with either hand.
b) The one that you seem to naturally shoot the best with.
c) The best quality you can afford.
d) The one that is easiest to take apart, clean and reassemble.,

And then when you get a real weapon, a model 1911 in .45 we can talk some more.

JUST kidding!! They're all good weapons and I'd be damn happy to have any one of them.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 05, 2015 06:46 PM (WeuzC)

25 Florida will apparently give you 20 years for a warning shot.>>>

What do I get if the warning shot is center mass?

Posted by: Robinson at July 05, 2015 06:47 PM (1SHv1)

26 Umm, I HAD it. Up until that unfortunate canoe accident...

Posted by: Chi at July 05, 2015 06:47 PM (F0Qf/)

27
Why should one state have higher tax rates than another?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

Thanks for reminding us.

National sales tax and New York income tax rates for everybody.

Posted by: The Supreme Court -- Got Any Other Good Ideas?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 05, 2015 06:48 PM (kdS6q)

28 20 Ha that's the problem. I'm still learning how to shoot so don't know if its me or the gun. The one I shot last after some additional tips was the best but need to go back and do them all again now. Was just curious about general opinions overall. I know one was almost impossible to load into the mag but don't know if it was just a bad rental.

Posted by: Vinylman at July 05, 2015 06:50 PM (jJnEx)

29 My nostalgic inertia won't let me move away from K frame s&w revolvers. Inertial nostalgia binds me to Remington 870's with 00 buck and one ounce slugs.

I couldn't bring myself to buy the commie iron when AK47's were $79.95 in liquor stores in the 80's.

Now to read the Vegas link. I won't even guess on demographics.

Posted by: DM at July 05, 2015 06:55 PM (j/tOh)

30 24 Thanks. That what I keep hearing. My thought process is to just finally get a gun. Kind of like needing a car when I was young and not caring too much what kind but just to have transportation. Then I can get picky with what I really want with some experience down the road. I think I'm starting off pretty well after much research but again thought some opinions from the experts here would be helpful.

Posted by: Vinylman at July 05, 2015 06:56 PM (jJnEx)

31 The most right-wing thread at AoS is probably the wrong place to ask, but it there going to be a women's soccer championship thread?

Posted by: Young and lean at July 05, 2015 06:56 PM (3MNCs)

32
Are they playing soccer nekkid?

If not, then No.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 05, 2015 06:57 PM (hh8hB)

33 I spent some $ and hrs this week, obtaining an CZ75B Omega. All steel frame, 16-rds+1. 500rds 124gr on the way.

Some customization coming: sights, grips first.

Happy 4th of July weekend!

Posted by: 9mm_124gr_sp at July 05, 2015 06:57 PM (SXEEI)

34 Fine gun thread here , Dave

Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 05, 2015 06:58 PM (on01m)

35
the Left Wing likes guns/weapons, too

they like guns so much that they want them ALL for themselves

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 05, 2015 06:58 PM (hh8hB)

36
In oddball ammo, this:

SCMITR was part of an experimental military shotgun ammunition created in the 1970s by AAI Corporation. It was a variation on flechette ammunition, but instead of containing a bundle of tiny needle-like steel darts, the cartridge contained a stack of razor-edged stamped sheet-metal arrow shapes designed to fly aerodynamically. It was considered to be very promising (in terms of lethality and effective range) but prohibitively expensive to manufacture, so it has never been mass-produced.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCMITR

tinyurl.com/pb24gw7

Like shooting a handful of razorblades at someone. In other words, the longbow of shotgun shells.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 05, 2015 06:59 PM (kdS6q)

37 Florida will apparently give you 20 years for a warning shot.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 05, 2015 06:45 PM (8rRE+)

Tis true, no 'warning shots' in Florida.
I believe they recently amended the law to allow 'not killing' the other guy as justifiable use of force (to claim immunity...). Still no warning shot, but you can try to hit and stop an aggressor.
Trust me. You read it on the internet.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 05, 2015 07:00 PM (NaeCR)

38 EC, when I get the Wolff springs in the 19-3 we can take it and the Mrs out for a spin. Shouldn't be too different than a new 686. although the full lug on a 686 will relieve a little recoil. We can shoot some .38 spcl to get an idea.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 05, 2015 07:00 PM (on01m)

39
there going to be a women's soccer championship thread?
Posted by: Young and lean

There you go:

jezebel.com/here-s-your-open-thread-for-women-s-world-cup-final-us-1715882635

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 05, 2015 07:02 PM (kdS6q)

40 Banzai!

USA 1 Japan 0 in under 3 minutes

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 07:03 PM (OimzZ)

41 Usa just dropped a nuke on Japan

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 05, 2015 07:03 PM (FGst3)

42 So the White House was lit up in rainbow colors for the gay marriage decision.

Surely then, the celebration of the independence of the United States would warrant some colored lights, too, right?

Nope.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at July 05, 2015 07:05 PM (cv6Ng)

43 Warning shots are an incredibly bad idea. Once the bullet leaves the muzzle, you have no control over its final point of impact. So yeah, you ought to get hammered by the law for warning shots.

Warning shots were forbidden under the use of deadly force training I got in the Navy.

If the situation is bad enough to draw your weapon, it is serious to shoot to kill. If you are unwilling to do so, reconsider carrying a firearm for protection.

Posted by: Butch at July 05, 2015 07:05 PM (HLx1C)

44 > , but it there going to be a women's soccer championship thread?

Sure. They shoot, they score!

2-0 USA-Japan

Posted by: cz fan at July 05, 2015 07:05 PM (SXEEI)

45
How cute are the japanese playerettes?

Are they wearing schoolgirl skirts?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 05, 2015 07:05 PM (hh8hB)

46 Excuse me, these bombs come in pairs

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 05, 2015 07:05 PM (FGst3)

47 there going to be a women's soccer championship thread?>>>

If there is I want KbDaBear in charge.

Posted by: Robinson at July 05, 2015 07:06 PM (1SHv1)

48 The gun is good. The penis is evil.

Posted by: Flannery O'Connor at July 05, 2015 07:06 PM (mG3Qj)

49 Like shooting a handful of razorblades at someone. In other words, the longbow of shotgun shells.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

An old co-worker used rounds like that in his shotgun in Viet Nam, in the 1960's. That sounds about like he described it. He did 4 tours in Viet Nam with the Marines. Yes, he carried a shotgun and grenade launcher. Great for flushing the VC out of the underbrush, at close range.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 05, 2015 07:06 PM (+1T7c)

50 Mercy rule to be invoked.

Posted by: cz fan at July 05, 2015 07:06 PM (SXEEI)

51 2 - 0 USA

Team USA doing a reverse Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 07:07 PM (OimzZ)

52 46 Excuse me, these bombs come in pairs
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 05, 2015 07:05 PM (FGst3)

--Little Girl and Fat Woman.

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 07:09 PM (OimzZ)

53 I think it's more likely that, instead of nationwide concealed carry, that the Imperial Feds will just decide the 2nd Amendment is invalid. They're already making law based on feelings. It's not much of a stretch from there to a gun ban because feelings.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread (Face For Radio, Voice For Print) at July 05, 2015 07:09 PM (rJUlF)

54 Team USA doing a reverse Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 07:07 PM (OimzZ)
------------------------
I STILL DEMAND REPARATIONS. AND TO BE SPACE CAPTAIN ON MY OWN SHOW. WITH MY OPENLY GAY COPILOT!!!

Posted by: George Takei at July 05, 2015 07:14 PM (mG3Qj)

55 GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

3-0 USA

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 07:14 PM (OimzZ)

56 I really doubt Flannery O'Connor said that about guns and penises. Her's what she did say about writers, however:

Everywhere I go I'm asked if I think the university stifles writers. My opinion is that they don't stifle enough of them. There's many a best-seller that could have been prevented by a good teacher.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 05, 2015 07:14 PM (OSs/l)

57 Warp factor three, Sulu

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 05, 2015 07:14 PM (FGst3)

58 4-0!

Chick has a hat trick already

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 07:15 PM (OimzZ)

59 From halfway across. I wasn't even watching

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 05, 2015 07:16 PM (FGst3)

60 Posted by: Captain Whitebread (Face For Radio, Voice For Print) at July 05, 2015 07:09 PM

The possibilities are endless....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 05, 2015 07:16 PM (WeuzC)

61 LMAO, you know those rubber horse head masks? A fan in the crowd has a rubber bald eagle mask.

This is looking like Germany's Blitzkrieg on Brazil a year ago.

Posted by: logprof at July 05, 2015 07:17 PM (OimzZ)

62 This is like the Los Angeles Dodgers playing the Carolina Mudcats.

Posted by: Young and lean at July 05, 2015 07:18 PM (3MNCs)

63 Did George Takei renounce Japanese citizenship yet?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 05, 2015 07:18 PM (NaeCR)

64
For those of you watching women's soccer, birds of a feather:

Hillary Clinton

To: @ussoccer_wnt
From: Hillary

#SheBelieves

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 05, 2015 07:23 PM (kdS6q)

65 I gave you soccer fans a thread of your own.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 05, 2015 07:24 PM (WvS3w)

66 Hillary Clinton

To: @ussoccer_wnt
From: Hillary

#SheBelieves

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

Edgy.

I wonder if that was poll tested first?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 05, 2015 07:26 PM (+1T7c)

67 I gave you soccer fans a thread of your own.>>>

Does it have elbows?

Posted by: Robinson at July 05, 2015 07:26 PM (1SHv1)

68
Yeah, just saw the containment thread.

They're in there braiding each other's hair and painting their toenails.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 05, 2015 07:27 PM (kdS6q)

69 Did George Takei renounce Japanese citizenship yet?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 05, 2015 07:18 PM (NaeCR)
---
Once they deport Bobby Fischer I will move back. I refuse to live in the presence ofJews, or blacks.

Posted by: George Takei at July 05, 2015 07:28 PM (mG3Qj)

70 Anybody ever shot 10mm?

Thinking about getting one these (linky in nicky) just because...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 05, 2015 07:28 PM (NaeCR)

71 Anybody ever shot 10mm?>>>

I've shot 13mm in blackpowder.

Posted by: Robinson at July 05, 2015 07:30 PM (1SHv1)

72 > Anybody ever shot 10mm?

You'll put your eye out, kid.

Honestly, I have, and think I'll stick with 357's for a more mild recoil.

Posted by: cz fan at July 05, 2015 07:32 PM (ZCF5/)

73 Sulu is the bad guy on Baa Baa Black Sheep tonight. I hope Conrad kick his ass.

Posted by: freaked at July 05, 2015 07:37 PM (BO/km)

74 I STILL DEMAND REPARATIONS. AND TO BE SPACE CAPTAIN ON MY OWN SHOW. WITH MY OPENLY GAY COPILOT!!!
Posted by: George Takei at July 05, 2015 07:14 PM (mG3Qj)

No Ambiguously Gay Duo here.

Posted by: Five Man Electrical Band at July 05, 2015 07:44 PM (Baojj)

75 Vinylman @ 12- Smithfield XDM9
I don't buy anything by Smithfield after what they did to Paula Deen. I do however have a Springfield XD9 and XD45, both are delicious to shoot. And a couple Glocks.

Posted by: Eromero at July 05, 2015 07:47 PM (go5uR)

76 My Winchester 190 is stamped Sears & Roebuck on the barrel. Took it to the range a few weeks ago. Great little rifle and l'm using it to teach my girls how to shoot.

Posted by: Dogwood at July 05, 2015 07:49 PM (JAMmd)

77 Daisy Red Ryder?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 05, 2015 07:53 PM (pQ2w5)

78 The Mossberg 702 is the equivalent and slightly cheaper. I've seen them go $140 new.

Posted by: EC at July 05, 2015 06:33 PM (OcsgQ)

I'm looking at those. One thing about the Ruger is the amount of after market parts for modification.

Is that worth the extra dough?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at July 05, 2015 07:54 PM (s92xH)

79 L-D-C, ran across an even more odd cartridge:

It's FABRL!

http://weaponsman.com/?p=18214

Posted by: Kindltot at July 05, 2015 07:54 PM (3pRHP)

80 NB: Rick Merkt is now completely PRO 2nd Amendment and speaks publicly about his conversion and why. His experience and remarks are eye opening, clear, and logical.

Posted by: ROndinellaMamma at July 05, 2015 07:54 PM (oQQwD)

81 My first, and still current plinker, is a Remington 511 Scoremaster.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 05, 2015 08:00 PM (F2IAQ)

82 I tried teaching my daughters to shoot when they were young. The oldest used the 22 rifle we were using as a walking stick (muzzle to the dirt). I blew up and training was over. I should probably buy them both a gift certificate for a real trainer to teach them now.

Posted by: Robinson at July 05, 2015 08:00 PM (1SHv1)

83 Remington 597 is a good gun and also cheaper than a 10/22. I've been pleased with mine.

You're right about the aftermarket parts issue. If you think you'll want to do a lot of customizing, nothing's going to match the 10/22.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 05, 2015 08:03 PM (qNZ3I)

84 Very first weapon my daughters shot was my SAW.

They fell in love with shooting that day.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 05, 2015 08:03 PM (kmtse)

85 When I was a kid, it was rare for a kid's first rifle to be anything but a single shot, not unusually with manual cocking. Taught the virtue of aiming. It was unlikely that you would get a second shot at that squirrel.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 05, 2015 08:04 PM (F2IAQ)

86 Awww. I remember when Little was just a tadpole, and now he's winning shooting competitions. Wait. WHEN DID HE GROW UP I demand a recount nooooooo....

Posted by: sabrinachase at July 05, 2015 08:11 PM (GQdlU)

87 The Ruger 10/22 is a solid pick especially with how good their magazines are.

If this is a first rifle and you want to slow things down then go with the bolt version Ruger All-American in 22LR. Magazines are compatible.

Upgrade options.....Ideally get a version with a threaded barrel in case you ever want to get a suppressor.

If you want a premium match grade accuracy 22LR bolt then look at the CZ 455/452 models.

Posted by: doesky2 at July 05, 2015 08:15 PM (6dszF)

88
Very first weapon my daughters shot was my SAW.

They fell in love with shooting that day.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 05, 2015 08:03 PM (kmtse)

My first weapon shot was a tripod-mounted USMC M60 off the fantail of the USS Coral Sea during a Tiger Cruise when I was about 12. The Marines loaded us up with cute little 5 round belts.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 05, 2015 08:19 PM (egLDQ)

89 I got a 1923 Tula Mosin-Nagant dragoon last month. I get the headspace gauges to check it this week, so probably will fire it for the first time by the weekend. This dragoon somehow escaped the 91/30 conversion, and has no import marks, so it's kinda unusual. It was neglected by previous owner, so it took four days of cleanings to get all the rusty crap out of the bore. I even had to use one of those Hoppe's steel "tornado" brushes, which I wouldn't dare ever use on a precise rifle, but this gun is just for fun. So if you don't hear from me again, I probably got blown up.

Posted by: gp at July 05, 2015 08:19 PM (mk9aG)

90
Cockeysville......heh.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 05, 2015 08:20 PM (egLDQ)

91 You're right about the aftermarket parts issue. If you think you'll want to do a lot of customizing, nothing's going to match the 10/22.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 05, 2015 08:03 PM (qNZ3I)

Not sure how much customizing I'd want to do. Dependign on sights, maybe a new set, and possibly (but I'm not sure) an adjustable trigger.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at July 05, 2015 08:22 PM (s92xH)

92 "My first, and still current plinker, is a Remington 511 Scoremaster." I have a 510, manufactured one month after the Pearl Harbor attack. I do wish it had sling swivels, but I'm going to leave it in original stock condition.

For a first timer looking for plinker, 10/22 is a safe bet. It's the most popular rifle ever, and has tons of third-party accessories and mods available. It's more accurate than 99% of the people who shoot it.

Posted by: gp at July 05, 2015 08:30 PM (mk9aG)

93
+1 for the 10-22. But stay away from aftermarket non-Ruger magazines.

Although there's a shit-ton of aftermarket accessories for the 10-22, only one is absolutely 100% essential, the auto bolt release lever. Why Ruger doesn't change the shitty stock bolt release is a mystery. Luckily, it's cheap and easy to install.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 05, 2015 08:44 PM (egLDQ)

94 10mm? thousands of 'em.

The EAA/Tangfolio/CZ variants are *really* nice. The bore is a little high, so recoil is a little heavier with full-power loads (like Smiths).

For that reason and the polymer frame, the Glock will have less perceived recoil. A lot less if it's ported.

But they are both reliable and accurate. If you require a manual safety for some reason, the Glock's not for you.

You can do almost anything with a 10mm, unless you have short fingers, and then you're kind of boned. The caliber keeps making small comebacks but basically got creamed in the Caliber Wars by the 10mm Kurz, AKA .40 SW. That means it's not cheap and not always on the shelves.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 05, 2015 08:46 PM (bLnSU)

95 The EAA/Tangfolio/CZ variants are *really* nice. The bore is a little
high, so recoil is a little heavier with full-power loads (like Smiths).

Thanks, That is what I was thinking of getting, just for the hell of it, not carry.
Looked to be a good bang for the buck.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 05, 2015 08:52 PM (NaeCR)

96
vinylman, if still here, you had good advice from others above. Get what *you* like, and shoot, best. They're all fine platforms, all can get the job done. Remember *you* are the most important part of the system, and improving/maintaining your skills and understanding is the biggest part of this equation.

gp - nice. So, a dragoon, not an ex-dragoon? That IS unusual - esp. sans import marks.

For bore rescue, consider electronic bore cleaning in addition to every other assault you can imagine - Butch's, lead remover, plugging the bore and soaking it in Kroil for a week (after you've scourged it with the solvents). Then electronic bore cleaning (look around the web, easy if you have an old cell phone charger or the like available).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 05, 2015 08:57 PM (QDnY+)

97 I don't want to hear any descriptions of the young victims of Sandy Hook outside of autopsy reports, which for some reason have been sealed. As far as I've heard.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at July 05, 2015 09:02 PM (+Y3QE)

98 48 The gun is good. The penis is evil.
56 I really doubt Flannery O'Connor said that about guns and penises

It's from the movie Zardoz

Posted by: skip at July 05, 2015 09:12 PM (AhWx2)

99 Day at the range with friends followed by a big ass steak.

Great day that I sorely needed.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 05, 2015 09:13 PM (XAFOu)

100 "Sir, can you please stop shooting the puddle"

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 05, 2015 09:14 PM (XAFOu)

101 I think not an ex-dragoon. It has the original steel Tula-stamped barrel bands, plain blade/no globe front sight, Konavalov rear sight calibrated in arshins, low handguard. Has recoil bolt; stock is sound. Sling escutcheons screwed in. None of the serial numbers match. Cleaning rod missing. Does not have the "Ka3" Cossack mark. Looks like it could stop a Buick.

Posted by: gp at July 05, 2015 09:17 PM (mk9aG)

102 The Obergefell connection was being brought up on a few radio shows right after the decision, wouldn't hold my breath for now. But a couple of changes in the supreme beings and who knows.

Posted by: skip at July 05, 2015 09:17 PM (AhWx2)

103
The Obergefell connection was being brought up on a few radio shows
right after the decision, wouldn't hold my breath for now. But a couple
of changes in the supreme beings and who knows.

Posted by: skip at July 05, 2015 09:17 PM (AhWx2)
Don't discount the liberal ability to exist in harmony with cognitive dissonance, Emanations and penumbras are only visible when they destroy society and violate the Founder's intents. Clearly, the Founders, being reasonable people, never really intended that average citizens should be allowed to possess personal weapons, but actually meant that Second Amendment language to mean that Government Militias should be trained and armed to crush any citizens that got out of line!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 05, 2015 09:29 PM (ftVQq)

104 "A consistent reading of Obergefell ..."
Isn't that an oxymoron?

Posted by: Ralph at July 05, 2015 09:30 PM (f4qXm)

105 The "right to privacy" discovered in roe v wade was quickly limited to the right to keep an abortion private from your husband or anyone else who might get the bill. Just ask Dennis Hastert.

The sudden forced reciprocity for state licenses will similarly be quickly limited to only those licenses that liberals like.

Posted by: wizardpc at July 05, 2015 09:43 PM (CQ7bM)

106 "12
Been trying out four 9mm for my first purchase. Still narrowing down
based on shooting range results but curious as to opinions form those
here:

Glock 19
Smith Wesson MP
Walther PPQ
Smithfield XDM9

Posted by: Vinylman at July 05, 2015 06:39 PM (jJnEx)"

All good choices. You might want to try a SIG. Some people find that the first time they hold one and shoot it they just go, yes, this is the one. There is a SIG model 2022 which is actually affordable.

The pistols you mentioned are full sized service pistols which are easy to shoot and absorb the recoil but they are not as easy to conceal you might consider the Ruger LC9 and SCCY 9 mm pistols. The Ruger has a single stack magazine and the SCCY double column holding 10 rounds. Both are about the same size which is almost identical to the size of a Walther PPK firing the less powerful .380 cartridge. These pistols will fit into a pocket or in a holster they can be concealed more easily than the larger guns.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 05, 2015 09:47 PM (QHgTq)

107 Gp - As a 15 year-old, I was taken by all of the fancy guns that I would see in The Shooter's Bible, and so set out to fancy-up my 510. In retrospect, that may not have been wise. I could not afford any checkering tools, and so made my own.

The result was not great, but not bad for a 15-16 year old kid. The white line spacer is a piece of linoleum tile. The bolt handle is from a Model 513.

Pic - http://tinyurl.com/nqhbgfl

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 05, 2015 09:48 PM (F2IAQ)

108 Thanks for the gun thread. I'm back in Godless, Gunless China and needed a firearms fix.

I just missed out on ordering a manchurin .357 Po-Po trade in (sold out for the second time). arrrrghhhhhhh. Well they say the 3rd time is the charm.

Anyone have one of those? Any thoughts or comments on those?.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 05, 2015 09:53 PM (Sb5W0)

109 Gp - 107 - Ooops. Meant to say '511'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 05, 2015 09:53 PM (F2IAQ)

110 96 and 106 Thanks for the responses. All good just seems to be a lot of favoritism towards certain makes so thought I might flesh some of that out here. For now I'm just looking for home defense and to become familiar and competent handling a gun. After that I'll consider concealed carry licensing and subcompacts then. Before that I'll want to follow this first pistol purchase with a shotgun.

Posted by: Vinylman at July 05, 2015 10:02 PM (jJnEx)

111 When I was much younger, I used to refer to my older brother's 22 as the "Laser-gun". Not for how accurate it was (and it was) but for how the empties shot out quite energetically and at the same time hot enough to raise welts. It wasn't a genuine Winchester, but the Sears Ted Williams model. Great 22.

Posted by: irright at July 05, 2015 10:03 PM (DtNNC)

112 What are opinions about the Camp Marlin in .45 acp?
I have one, seldom fired. Wooden stock.
Seems like cleaning it is a chore.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 05, 2015 10:04 PM (JgC5a)

113 My vote for a good .22 plinker would be the Marlin Model 60. Very nice out of the box, accurate as all heck and generally less expensive than the Ruger 10-22.

The Ruger is a good gun if you want to hot-rod it with aftermarket accessories. The Marlin is great right out of the box.

I shoot a lot of .22 (3 rifles, 3 handguns). Just added the one I have been wanting for a few years - brand new SW Model 17 Masterpiece.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at July 05, 2015 10:12 PM (vyh2c)

114 "112
What are opinions about the Camp Marlin in .45 acp?

I have one, seldom fired. Wooden stock.

Seems like cleaning it is a chore.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 05, 2015 10:04 PM"

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A horrible firearm. You should ship it to me posthaste, and I will dispose of it properly.. I will send you twenty dollars or so, out of pity.

Posted by: irright at July 05, 2015 10:12 PM (DtNNC)

115 A horrible firearm. You should ship it to me posthaste, and I will dispose of it properly.. I will send you twenty dollars or so, out of pity.
Posted by: irright
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False pity. Do NOT listen to that grifter.
Now, myself, I can relate to your unhappiness, and am so moved that I'll contribute $25.00 in order to remove this curse from your house.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 05, 2015 10:16 PM (F2IAQ)

116 I have only fired about 50 rounds thru it.
The muzzle velocity is about 3x what it is from my pistols.
I think I will keep it.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 05, 2015 10:19 PM (JgC5a)

117 * rats*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 05, 2015 10:21 PM (F2IAQ)

118
I have only fired about 50 rounds thru it.

The muzzle velocity is about 3x what it is from my pistols.

I think I will keep it.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 05, 2015 10:19 PM (JgC5a)

It will degrade rapidly and you will become very unhappy with it. Ship it to me and I can ease the eventual pain you will feel if you keep it. I'll also offer $30.00 to defray shipping and handling!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 05, 2015 10:22 PM (ftVQq)

119 Don't listen to them. Obviously the expert who is responsible for the gun threads is the logical choice. I'll even make it GOTW before I put it to sleep, so it'll die happily.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 05, 2015 10:24 PM (WvS3w)

120 Kim du Toit was all atwitter about this firearm once upon a time.
Whatever happened to him?

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 05, 2015 10:27 PM (JgC5a)

121 What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room'...There ain't nothin' more powerful than the odor of mendacity...You can smell it. It smells like Hoppes #9.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 05, 2015 10:32 PM (F2IAQ)

122 Actually, a consistent reading of Obergefell means a lot of things.

For instance, why should the dignity of an employer or an employee be trammeled upon by the state if they forbid the two from joining into a ~~marriage~~ contract that specifies wages less than the minimum wage?

Posted by: chemjeff at July 05, 2015 10:35 PM (2XMpf)

123 Whatever happened to him?

He got fuqued in his business when clients started searching the net to see who they were dealing with.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 05, 2015 10:38 PM (NaeCR)

124 Posted by: chemjeff at July 05, 2015 10:35 PM (2XMpf)

There will never ever be another consistent reading of any Supreme Court decision, tailored for today's narrative needs they are!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 05, 2015 10:42 PM (ftVQq)

125 What business was KDT in?

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 05, 2015 10:42 PM (JgC5a)

126 I think he was a marketing consultant.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 05, 2015 10:45 PM (NaeCR)

127 Sad.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 05, 2015 10:57 PM (JgC5a)

128 I was going to put a scope on it, but then, why?
It's only accurate to about 50-75 yards on a good day.
But, G*d help you within that range.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 05, 2015 11:03 PM (JgC5a)

129 107: That's purty. Check the barrel code to see when it was made. Side of the barrel near the breech. I wouldn't buy anything Remington is making today, but I hope to find an old 40X someday. I'd grab a 513T too.

Posted by: gp at July 05, 2015 11:21 PM (mk9aG)

130 How does one claim this Sandy Hook discount?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 06, 2015 12:08 AM (rwI+c)

131 For a plinker consider a Marlin 795. It has fewer after market items but you can get a bullpup stock that looks super weird.

http://www.badgerm22.com/buy-now.html

The 795 is pretty much the 60 with a ten round removable box magazine instead of the built in tube magazine.

Posted by: cackfinger at July 06, 2015 10:34 AM (53TqR)

132 Greetings:

My first rifle was a Remmington 500 which was very similar to your GOTW which brought back to mind this personal anecdote.

I grew up in the Bronx of the last '50s and '60s but was fortunate to be in a family that had a summer bungalow about 60 miles north in Putnam County. Thus, I had the benefit of both an urban culture and a country culture.

Spending summers upstate, my friends were country boys, used to going into the woods, camping overnight, and having our days to ourselves with no threat of nearby adult supervision.

Before long, I wanted to acquire the local accoutrements, guns and knives being my highest priorities.

My city-girl mother wasn't having any of it; my father, born in Ireland and a WWII graduate, quickly became my only chance for a successful acquisition. Initially, I separated him from his "war-knife" and subsequently began working on him for a 22 caliber rifle.

When my mother found out that my father was having me join a gun club in preparation for my new tool, he and my mother had a rather intensive dinner time discussion about the appropriateness of a relative youngster having his own firearm.

My mother insisted that this was no way to raise a child. My father's conclusionary statement was "I'm not raising a child; I'm raising a man."

Posted by: 11B40 at July 06, 2015 11:36 AM (evgyj)

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