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Reporter Misreported Nobel Scientist Tim Hunt's Words, Then #SocialAttentionWhores Just Ran With It Until They Forced His Resignation
Unbelievable. According to a third-party EU official, and Sir Tim Hunt himself, she took words out the context, and concealed the fact that Hunt's remarks were jokes at his own expense.
The Guardian has now heavily re-edited this Social Attention Whore's story to make it less defamatory -- but the Guardian doesn't alert you to that, contrary to its own claimed rules. Hunt has now resigned from his important work in cancer research. And this Social Attention Whore got her scalp.New revelations about the speech and the context of the joke have surfaced. An account of a European Commission Official who took detailed minutes of the event adds key information absent from the original report:The Daily Mail is now vetting this #SocialAttentionWarrior, Connie St. Louis, and finding lots of troubling facts.Hunt has already protested that he added, "now seriously" to indicate the joke was over.
According to the new account, Sir Tim started with: "It's strange that such a chauvinist monster like me has been asked to speak to women scientists” which makes clear he mocking sexism, rather than indulging in it. St. Louis reported this as Hunt simply admitting: "he has a reputation as a male chauvinist." Immediately after the now infamous joke, according to the new evidence, he proceeded to make several very pro gender equality remarks, including: "Now seriously... Science needs women and you should do science despite all the obstacles, and despite monsters like me," which was similarly disregarded in St. Louis's twitter report.
I've quoted too much so I'll leave you to click on the Daily Mail to see what's untrue. Think about the sort of person who becomes a Social Attention Whore. Think about the psychology at play. Then wonder: Why do we ever give these unaccomplished, envious, grasping monsters any credence at all? thanks to @comradearthur
Then, early this week, the simmering dispute took a further, seismic twist. It came courtesy of The Times newspaper, which revealed the contents of a leaked report into Sir Tim's fall from grace compiled by an EU official who had accompanied him to the Seoul conference. This individual, who has not been named, sat with him at the lunch and provided a transcript of what Sir Tim 'really said'. Crucially, it presented a very different take to the one which had been so energetically circulated by Connie St Louis. ... However, Sir Tim's critics remained unmoved and disputed the EU report's contents. Importantly, given how the scandal had originally emerged, they were led by Connie St Louis. ... Perhaps, therefore, we should ask two other related questions: who exactly is Connie St Louis? And why, exactly, should we trust her word over that of a Nobel laureate? A good place to start is the website of London’s City University, where St Louis has, for more than a decade, been employed to run a postgraduate course in science journalism. Here, on a page outlining her CV, she is described as follows: 'Connie St Louis . . . is an award-winning freelance broadcaster, journalist, writer and scientist. 'She presents and produces a range of programmes for BBC Radio 4 and BBC World Service . . . She writes for numerous outlets, including The Independent, Daily Mail, The Guardian, The Sunday Times, BBC On Air magazine and BBC Online.' All very prestigious. Comforting, no doubt, for potential students considering whether to devote a year of their lives (and money) to completing an MA course under her
stewardship. Except, that is for one small detail: almost all of these supposed 'facts' appear to be untrue.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (+v40j)
Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2015 03:14 PM (K2eYy)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2015 03:14 PM (iONHu)
People could suffer because of her. Cancer patients.
She is foul
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (+v40j)
Truth is Expendable.
Frankly, I suspect this woman has a telephone-pole-sized stick up her ass and takes exception to anything she can find.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Eromero at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (go5uR)
Very clever, Ace!
Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2015 03:18 PM (NUqwG)
Civilization is going to die of this cancer.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:18 PM (oVJmc)
Because we think inside the box they put us in.
*nods sagely*
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 30, 2015 03:18 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:18 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Dianna at June 30, 2015 03:18 PM (DV/Ik)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2015 03:18 PM (K2eYy)
Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: The unicorn at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (kff5f)
This bitch-whore should go...
I'm not even going to finish that.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (kff5f)
Can't find anything offensive? Just make that sh$t up. Who cares if you destroy the reputation of person, amirght?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (NOIQH)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/p3g4k4m
Posted by: Hal at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (hmPdt)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (kff5f)
Speech that sounds improper is criminal.
Speech that I can take as improper is criminal.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:20 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: always an agenda at June 30, 2015 03:20 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 03:20 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at June 30, 2015 03:20 PM (hTopj)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 30, 2015 03:20 PM (xIBU4)
Posted by: Weasel at June 30, 2015 03:20 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 03:20 PM (+v40j)
Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2015 03:21 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: Weasel at June 30, 2015 03:21 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: The unicorn at June 30, 2015 03:21 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 03:20 PM (+v40j)
Yep. She libeled him. He can demonstrate damages, he can demonstrate that those damages were "part of the plan."
Sue.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:22 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Weasel
Just don't exhale the smoke at an italic like angle.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:22 PM (2oWD2)
I paid a lot more than two bits. You get yours on ebay?
Posted by: didn't get a bargain at June 30, 2015 03:22 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 30, 2015 03:22 PM (nqiq9)
"Now seriously... Science needs women and you should do science despite all the obstacles, and despite monsters like me,"
So, self-effacing humor is no longer tolerated?
He knew he was innocent. He probably decided that this SJW world is no longer worth trying to accomplish things in.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2015 03:22 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 30, 2015 03:23 PM (nqiq9)
What sort of diseased mind thinks this is a victory?
Mary...
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 03:23 PM (+v40j)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2015 03:22 PM (JtwS4)
Can anyone here argue with him?
What's in it for him?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:23 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 03:23 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 03:23 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 30, 2015 03:23 PM (xIBU4)
If I recall, its much easier to win a defamation case in britain than in the US.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:24 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Roy at June 30, 2015 03:24 PM (VndSC)
Just wait until they start filling the positions of capable people in science and industry they have chased out with their fellow leftists, which has already happened throughout govt and academia. Think Zimbabwe farmers being replaced by govt cronies but on a much larger scale.. We will be back to the stone age in no time. But at least we will have social justice and everything will be fair.
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at June 30, 2015 03:24 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:24 PM (AkOaV)
And he'd probably win it here in the US.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:25 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: The unicorn at June 30, 2015 03:21 PM (nqiq9)
Social Attention Media Whore. Social Attention Media Communist Whore. Social Attention Media Communist Radical Whore. Social Attention Media Communist Radical Organizer Whore. SAMCRO Whore. Dykes On Bikes.
Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 03:25 PM (nL0sw)
She is a stupid whinging bitch and should be made to pay for her viciousness and lies.
Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 03:26 PM (MgFMj)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:26 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: SJW Union Shop Steward at June 30, 2015 03:26 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Hillary! at June 30, 2015 03:27 PM (LISuA)
Gross.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft
Heh, I thought that said, "50 Sharts of Gay". Never mind.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:27 PM (2oWD2)
We need to take this as a warning, because this is happening here now(CBF great example) and it will only get worse if we don't fight back.
I have stopped being polite and not saying anything less I offend the little snowflakes who would bury me in an avalanche without a second thought.
Posted by: Jen the original at June 30, 2015 03:27 PM (WV80V)
I don't think she's ever issued a denial.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:27 PM (oVJmc)
This makes me sick to my stomach.
"Whatever it takes."
They have no souls.
If only there were an island to send these cretins.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 03:28 PM (qCMvj)
If she's not, then she should be required to prove her innocence by specifically identifying the journalist who is helping cover up Harry Reid's crimes.
Posted by: Furious George at June 30, 2015 03:28 PM (UlJ3l)
If people would just stop paying attention to the random twitter nonsense we'd all be a lot happier and wiser...
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 03:28 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Sabrina Rubin Erdely at June 30, 2015 03:29 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:24 PM
Oh, yes it is! Grab nearest barrister, sue the everloving fcuk out of this SAW.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:29 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 30, 2015 03:29 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:25 PM (kff5f)
You think?
I think he'd be considered a public figure, and would have to prove malice / intent.
Which is, er, very difficult.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:29 PM (AkOaV)
You might know -- would he have a good shot at winning that case in the US?
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:30 PM (AkOaV)
That's why I pointed out he had proof that his fall was "part of the plan." Which would prove malice/intent. Indeed, it would prove malicious intent.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:30 PM (kff5f)
I wouldn't fuck her with Trigger's dick.
Posted by: Mr Ed at June 30, 2015 03:31 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2015 03:31 PM (/tNwW)
His problem is that he cringed, and resigned.
He should not have, THe whole thing would have blown over in 36 hours.
It shocks me that not everyone knows this.
The social media mob is actually completely powerless.
They only acquire "power" when other people do to mob's bidding.
The mob itself can't get anyone fired. All they can do is TRICK people into thinking the mob has power, and then those people will do what the mob demands.
A good metaphor is this:
A man who has no gun approaches two people. He sticks his hand in his coat pocket, makes a guns shape with his finger, points it at the two people, and says, "I have a gun -- do what I say!"
In fear, they raise their hands and obey him.
The man pretending to have a gun then orders one of his victims to go get a real gun. He does so. Then the man pretending to have a gun orders the first guy to shoot the second guy dead. And threatens to kill the first guy (with his pretend-gun) if he does not obey the command.
So the first guy shoots and kills the second guy.
The man pretending to have a gun then runs away.
Question: Did the man pretending to have a gun actually shoot the victim? No. He tricked someone else to do his bidding for him.
is he responsible for the crime? Yes. But in reality he did not have the physical power to commit the crime. He used deceit to trick others into committing the crime for him.
That is what happens 95% of the time with social media mobs. They get bosses and organizations to kill their employees. Or get people to commit career suicide. Despite the mobs itself being completely powerless in physical reality.
Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 03:31 PM (jBuUi)
If only there were an island to send these cretins.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 03:28 PM
It's called Cuba. It's better than they deserve.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:32 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: ryukyu at June 30, 2015 03:32 PM (j29PP)
All of the above doesn't mean that we don't need to talk about ways to stop the SJUWs.
Posted by: An Observation at June 30, 2015 03:33 PM (l+DYq)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:32 PM (h4vJk)
There are so many of them, though, that Cuba might tip over.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:33 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: John Galt at June 30, 2015 03:34 PM (8YE33)
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:34 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: eleven at June 30, 2015 03:34 PM (IPzoI)
I think Zombie is right: ignore it. To the extent you are actually unable to ignore it, dismiss it. Deny them the power.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:34 PM (kff5f)
I don't think she's ever issued a denial.
Rumor is she was made air tight.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 03:35 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:30 PM
*insert typical lawyer answer* Depends. I don't know all the facts of the story, but as one of the other Morons noted, if he's considered a public figure, he'd have to prove malice/reckless disregard for the truth.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:35 PM (h4vJk)
My understanding is that University College London actually fired him.
Just as Cold Spring Harbor fired another Nobel laureate giant, James Watson, over similar crap.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 03:35 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 03:36 PM (MgFMj)
Posted by: X at June 30, 2015 03:36 PM (xGNLA)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at June 30, 2015 03:36 PM (ucB75)
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 03:35 PM (kQBSd)
Or as we used to say in the Navy: "They set Condition Zebra on her."
Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 03:36 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 03:36 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet
But these were tweets, man! TWEETS! Not just anyone can get on Twitter and start tweeting stuff. She must be heard.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:36 PM (2oWD2)
Never again. This vile scum is the English equivalent of the Indiana pizzeria reporter. They've cried wolf once too many times.
Posted by: Eff the MFM at June 30, 2015 03:36 PM (6qR/9)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:33 PM
Point. I defer to the honorable Moron's knowledge of geology.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:37 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2015 03:37 PM (/tNwW)
He got fired from whatever it was that he did, sounds like.
That should be all the proof needed.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:38 PM (eEb+d)
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:38 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 03:38 PM (72D6h)
Matt Taylor, the "offensive shirt" comet guy.
Sir Tim Hunt.
More generally, it's open season on white men.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 03:38 PM (NOIQH)
to be beheld accountable for the destruction they do, but their own
particular 'tribes' or groups never seem to do that."
These tribes not only do not hold accountable people for causing destruction, but they noisily celebrate it.
It is an ethos of tantrum.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 03:38 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Eff the MFM at June 30, 2015 03:39 PM (6qR/9)
Posted by: that horse with sore wiener, and genital warts at June 30, 2015 03:39 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: The Donkey at June 30, 2015 03:39 PM (NOIQH)
Her, the Guardian, the people who fired me, the university that employs her, her dog, her cat, her kid's hamster.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:40 PM (eEb+d)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 03:40 PM (+v40j)
lawyers are absolutely useless.
"Hey Mr. $300 an hour lawyer, can you get me off on this bullshit charge?"
"Hmmmm..... Depends..."
"Gee, thanks."
and 'the other moron' who pointed that out was -- me.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:40 PM (AkOaV)
Louise Mensch on twitter has been on her ass for a while now. What a slug St.Louis is!
I say, an American University shd make Hunt and his wife offers they cant refuse....
Posted by: Mrs. Ace of Spades with a Wang! at June 30, 2015 03:41 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Sharkman
If that ever did happen, I just hope for all our sakes, there's video.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:41 PM (2oWD2)
I don't know about the rest of you but I don't think I would have much trouble seeing malice in her writing, or of convincing the other jurors that it was there - because it clearly is.
Posted by: An Observation at June 30, 2015 03:41 PM (l+DYq)
Do we want a society where we have pioneering scientists with unsavory personal views, or right-thinking scientists that aren't necessarily talented?
Since when does a guy with a cure for cancer need to be Emily Fucking Post?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:41 PM (oVJmc)
But, hey, man, *Social*!!! Justice!!!
Posted by: Rolf at June 30, 2015 03:41 PM (Boqht)
Posted by: the chicken at June 30, 2015 03:41 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (KIRrb)
Posted by: Gonzo, That Big Scarred-Up Dude From 'Blood Of Heroes' at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (S08gh)
Her, the Guardian, the people who fired me, the university that employs her, her dog, her cat, her kid's hamster.
Hit her hard. Go after her sex toys. You know no man is touching that.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: Mrs. Ace of Spades with a Wang! at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Turd Ferugson at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:40 PM
What? You thing we read the content and the comments? That costs extra.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Ayn Rand at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (8YE33)
If she didn't have sex with horses, don't you think there would be proof of that?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:43 PM (oVJmc)
If Dr. Taylor had gone out to do his interviews wearing a starched bright white polyester short-sleeve button-down shirt with a pocket protector, the same crew on the left would instead have been saying about him,
"This guy is so repressed it's painful to watch. Wound too tight. Trapped in time. SO white-male Establishment. He needs to be replaced by someone who is comfortable, loose, and fluid, and is able to let their freak flag fly."
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 03:43 PM (noWW6)
Because the Left has successfully created a credentialist society. Competence, achievement, results, success be damned.
The only thing that matters is a PhD, a license, a certification, an award, a score...
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 30, 2015 03:43 PM (xSCb6)
As a not-lawyer, here's how I understand it. (in the US, granted, britain is way different)
If you're a public figure, you have to prove that the alleged defamer knew that what they were saying was false (or was ridiculously negligent in 'fact checking'), and INTENDED to (with malice) ruin the persons life / get them fired / ruin their reputation / whatever.
So "misquoting" someone... I don't know.
Like when George zimmerman sued nbc/abc/cbs (whoever it was who edited the 911 tape) -- he couldn't PROVE that the editors acted with malice. Because how do you prove something like that without a signed confession or something along those lines?
Very difficult.
And any lawyers who want to correct me, feel free.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:43 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Jen the original at June 30, 2015 03:27 PM (WV80V)
This is hard for me in places like social media, as I'm not terribly confrontation in real life. At least, I don't want waste my time getting into it with idiots and I don't want to offend friends by being too blunt. It's much easier to talk about these sorts of things in person, at any rate, where you can moderate your tone and answer things directly.
I am not on twitter.
But I'm afraid their are too many people who really don't want to get into it but are massively irritated by the pressure they feel to silence their opinions, lest they get labeled a bigot of some sort. So it's frustrating. At some point, people are going to be so fed up they stop caring about being polite (and start getting real
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 03:44 PM (lIU4e)
THIS
I also don't care about their personal lives as long as they're not breaking any laws.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 03:44 PM (NOIQH)
These are professional hits and assassinations. They always know what they are doing. Fly-by hits.
They do not mind being martyrs for the cause either.
KT Couric? She gets an award. They circle jerk either other awards.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 03:45 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:42 PM (h4vJk)
haha
:gets out checkbook:
So what do I owe you for the consultation? Standard $350 an hour, rounding up to the nearest 2 hours?
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:45 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: torquewrench
No!
THEY REQUESTED HIS RESIGNATION.
And he did what they said.
Not sure of the names of the organizations involved, but the whole chain of disasters started when the ASKED him to resign, and out of politeness he did. Big mistake.
Once he lost that key position, the rest of the chain-reaction proceeded.
he could have stopped it in its tracks by NOT resigning and fighting back. Like that tattoo guy, or that exercise company.
Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 03:45 PM (jBuUi)
Why does SHE still have a job?
Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 03:46 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:45 PM
I'll settle for a beer at the next NE MoMee. LOL
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:46 PM (h4vJk)
This is ENTIRELY believable, and honestly, somewhat expected.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 03:46 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 03:46 PM (72D6h)
Because social justice.
Duh.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:46 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:47 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 03:46 PM (72D6h)
Because social justice.
Duh.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:46 PM
Social justice and vagina. But mostly vagina.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:47 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 03:47 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:47 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 03:48 PM (KIRrb)
Posted by: Buzzion at June 30, 2015 03:48 PM (azFPh)
And any lawyers who want to correct me, feel free.
Posted by: mynewhandle
Shhh! They'll *charge* you to hear their opinions!
Posted by: Turd Ferugson at June 30, 2015 03:48 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:47 PM
I like to think I'm a reasonable Moron.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:48 PM (h4vJk)
Louis be subject to the UK higher ed system's publishing standards? Her
number of publications is miniscule. She's being given a pass for some
reason."
In American academia, there was once a time when there was an unwritten but nevertheless powerful traditional rule that the head of the Harvard Law Review would contribute at least one signed article to the published product.
Which had held sway for over a century, unbroken.
That too was eventually "given a pass" when a particular individual of a particular ethnic background decided he just couldn't be arsed to do the actual scholarly work and writing required.
Oh! And from the same ethnic background as St. Louis, too. I sense a recurrent motif.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 03:48 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
Flattened horses. Probably.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:48 PM (2oWD2)
IANAL either, but it sure does seem as though the MSM outlets heavily edited GZ's 911 call to make it appear to be something it wasn't. Repeated violations of that should've resulted in GZ owning that network. How that didn't happen when we see lawsuits brought up on the flimsiest of grounds these days is a mystery to me. Nobody shops for a jury? Color me shocked.
Sounds like laziness on the part of his lawyers. Maybe they laid low so they could split the pot like they do in pot-bowling.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (eEb+d)
Posted by: Turd Ferugson at June 30, 2015 03:48 PM (VAsIq)
Ha! Jokes on them... I'm broke!
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Lea at June 30, 2015 03:44 PM
________
Twitter's what you make it. As for me, it's pretty much hockey and cats. (And hockey season's over.)
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (tw4zl)
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June
30, 2015 03:28 PM (lIU4e)
Yes. So very yes.
Let's instead all smoke good cigars, enjoy good bourbon and see where things lead!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (fwARV)
Then she cheap shots a cancer researcher.
Nice.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:50 PM (Q4pU/)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM
Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:50 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (Bn6aD)
I shall clarify my understanding of the Hunt matter.
In the Watson matter, the oversight board of Cold Spring Labs requested that he "take early retirement", and made it clear behind closed doors that if those terms were not acceptable, they'd fight paying his pension.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (eEb+d)
Like I said, it's because Zimmerman was considered a public figure (why? Because abc/cbs/nbc made him a public figure, but I digress) so he had to prove malice.
And the "the MSM is biased and wanted to advance their narrative so they purposefully lied in an attempt to paint me as some kind of KKK member" line of attack didnt work because -- come on, what kind of nutcase would say the MSM is biased? Puh-leeze!
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:50 PM (Q4pU/)
Okay so not irony.
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (Q4pU/)
Posted by: Roy at June 30, 2015 03:24 PM
________
Hay, don't look at me.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (tw4zl)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (vJki2)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 03:47 PM (oKE6c)
**************
Worked for the last affirmative-action boss I had. Quite a racket. Get hired for fake/exaggerated awards, suck, get fired six months later with a hefty 1-2 year "please don't sue us" severance. Get hired by another sucker in 6 months, effectively make two salaries. Suck, get fired, repeat.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
Ahh! He's proposing Wrongfun! Call the police! Call the politicians! Call TWITTER!!
Posted by: the Left at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (VAsIq)
"Oh, you want me to resign? First you will blow me."
*incessant blowing*
"Thanks, and just kidding. Do it again and let's see if I resign."
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:52 PM (2oWD2)
That's just how I roll.
Posted by: Fritz at June 30, 2015 03:52 PM (o/UmK)
Dunno. Embarrassment? Threatened his pension? Wanted to be "dignified" about it and resign instead of being very publicly fired?
Who knows?
I would have said, 'lick my nuts' and walked out, but then again I'm an asshole.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:53 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM
So you worked for Deval Patrick, then?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:53 PM (h4vJk)
Horses issue a strident 'Neigh.'
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:53 PM (oVJmc)
Contrast of two women in science:
Felisa Wolf-Simon - Wholly funded by NASA, "discovers" arsenic-eating bacteria. Findings "peer-reviewed" and published in Science magazine. There follows a huge public roll-out by NASA. Big production, table of scientists all touting the huge discovery. Lots of commentary about the significance, blah, blah. She is celebrated as emblematic of government spending on 'science!'.
She even received an award from The National Academy of Science.
Meanwhile, independent researcher Rosie Redfield reads the article in Science magazine and says, "What?! That sounds like complete bullshit."
Redfield, all on her own, proceeds to disassemble and disprove Wolf-Simon's methodology and conclusions. Wolfe-Simon did sloppy work, and was motivated by her desire to 'find' something unique. Result? Fantasy and erroneous result.
Neither Wolf-Simon, nor NASA, nor Science Magazine, nor any of the 'peer reviewers', to my knowledge, ever stepped up and said, "We're naive, and mis-motivated. Shame on us". No one ever asked for their money back from Wolfe-Simon.
The moral? Always be skeptical of government funded research. Always be suspicious of 'experts' opinions.
Mentioned this week was Dr. Richard Feynman's (a REAL Nobel Prize winner) address to the Caltech class of 1974. It is a VERY good read, just two pages. I don't think Barry has read it. Here:
"Cargo Cult Science" :
http://tinyurl.com/nusgndp
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 03:54 PM (F2IAQ)
German ethics council calls for incest between siblings to be legalised by Government
http://tinyurl.com/lybbyyc
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 30, 2015 03:54 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 03:44 PM
This is a simple truth: Pressure eventually needs a vent.
It's true in geology, human nature, blue balls and physics.
If a vent isn't provided, one will be created.
Inveniam viam aut faciam. (which I happen to have tattooed upon my person.)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 03:54 PM (fwARV)
Horses issue a strident 'Neigh.'
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:53 PM
Hey, don't look at me. I'm married!
Posted by: John 'Secretariat of State' Kerry at June 30, 2015 03:55 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: fb at June 30, 2015 03:55 PM (JVEmw)
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Well, if his desire was to actually help his team find out how to better fight cancer, then a six-month-long fight played out on his campus and in the media would have been a little distracting.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 03:55 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:55 PM (AkOaV)
They must burn the witch...
This is, IMO, a backlash against the overall feeling of powerlessness that the media, and Government, has created in the populace.
They suddenly feel POWERFULL when they can do something... no matter if that thing needs doing at all... or if that thing is a REAL problems that they are 'solving'....
Much like the Gay Marriage agenda... people feel 'good' that they accomplished something, even if it would not affect them at all... they joined the MOB and got something done...
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 30, 2015 03:55 PM (qh617)
Words. That's all it is.
Unbelievable.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 30, 2015 03:55 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: fb
In this case it would be poetic.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:56 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 03:47 PM (oKE6c)
The Elizabeth Warren strategy?
Posted by: Jen the original at June 30, 2015 03:56 PM (WV80V)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2015 03:57 PM (FsuaD)
It would seem that anyone given prominence against their will could then be conveniently abused.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:57 PM (oVJmc)
Horses issue a strident 'Neigh.'
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 03:53 PM
Hey, don't look at me. I'm married!
Posted by: John 'Secretariat of State' Kerry at June 30, 2015 03:55 PM (h4vJk)
Wilburrrrrrr.... that's just no funny....
Posted by: Mr. Ed at June 30, 2015 03:57 PM (qh617)
Posted by: BB Wolf
Now let's pull down a goal post and roll a car on its side!!! WOOHOOO!!!!!
Posted by: the MOB at June 30, 2015 03:57 PM (2oWD2)
It would seem that anyone given prominence against their will could then be conveniently abused.
And are...
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 03:57 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2015 03:57 PM
I believe the clinical term is "resting bitch face."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:58 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:50 PM (Q4pU/)
She already had it!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 03:59 PM (oKE6c)
172 they joined the MOB and got something done...
Posted by: BB Wolf
Now let's pull down a goal post and roll a car on its side!!! WOOHOOO!!!!!
Posted by: the MOB at June 30, 2015 03:57 PM (2oWD2)
Well..... Ferguson got boring... and they wouldn't pay us to go there anymore...
Posted by: Mob Member #6 at June 30, 2015 03:59 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
Yep. The media is evil. That's exactly what they did to Zimmerman.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 03:59 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Johnny Kansas City at June 30, 2015 03:59 PM (TJCSB)
We have a Correctfun play plan all mapped out.
It's very "diverse". It involves organic kale. Also lube, and muscle relaxant pills.
Posted by: Happy Fun Camp Activities Director at June 30, 2015 03:59 PM (noWW6)
Hmmm...Britain, in a country where if you speak a truth you may still run afoul of the libel/slander laws. I'm pretty sure if he sued her, he'd win, 'cause she doesn't even have anything truthful to back up her case.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 30, 2015 04:00 PM (1hM1d)
Posted by: John 'Secretariat of State' Kerry at June 30, 2015 03:55 PM
________
Sex with horses? Has this been affirmed?
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:00 PM (tw4zl)
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:00 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Lea
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I'll repeat what I said yesterday. As surely as the Greeks are are learning that financial capital can be abused and expended irresponsibly, with bad consequences, so it is with social capital.
It can be used up. The qualities of civility, good manners, and respect for others can all be abused, for a while, but eventually the well runs dry. The water right now is getting muddy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:00 PM (F2IAQ)
162 Is it wrong to wish cancer upon these fucking losers?
Geez, what did cancer ever do to you to deserve getting inflicted by such lusers?
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 30, 2015 04:00 PM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Mr. Ed at June 30, 2015 04:01 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:01 PM (AkOaV)
Boring no more. The "hands up don't shoot" crowd and the "gay pride" people have been skirmishing in Ferguson.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 04:01 PM (kQBSd)
And we keep talking about people who have accomplished something as if they owe it to the rest of us.
You get more of what you reward, right? As Zombie says, companies have to stop doing what these mobs call for. It blows over in 36 hours.
Hillary Clinton has learned this.
Posted by: MayBee at June 30, 2015 04:02 PM (owMUc)
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2015 04:02 PM (EPEqj)
Posted by: Ten Foot Pole at June 30, 2015 04:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:02 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Old Anti-Social Hetero at June 30, 2015 04:03 PM (D0NZx)
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:04 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Jedidiah at June 30, 2015 04:04 PM (a+WIL)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (fwARV)
Agree! Except about the cigars part.
I betcha this guy resigned when they asked because he's actually a good scientist and can probably get a better paying job if he wants so why bother fighting it? I think in those circumstances my desire to be like 'you know what? FU. Take this job and shove it, idiot' would be very strong...
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:05 PM (lIU4e)
Connie St Louis: "Yes"
Reporter: "Did you go bareback?"
CSL: "No."
Reporter's Story: "Connie St Louis confirmed that she has been with a horse but that she used protection. The US Secretary of State was unavailable for comment on this story."
Posted by: An Observation at June 30, 2015 04:05 PM (l+DYq)
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 04:05 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 03:54 PM (fwARV)
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You have "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" tattooed in Latin?
You know the rule.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:05 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (eEb+d)
Like I said, it's because Zimmerman was considered a public figure (why? Because abc/cbs/nbc made him a public figure, but I digress) so he had to prove malice.
And the "the MSM is biased and wanted to advance their narrative so they purposefully lied in an attempt to paint me as some kind of KKK member" line of attack didnt work because -- come on, what kind of nutcase would say the MSM is biased? Puh-leeze!
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:51 PM (AkOaV)
Didn't the judge declare him a public figure because he was once quoted in a newspaper article?
Posted by: Buzzion at June 30, 2015 04:06 PM (z/Ubi)
I think this describes a major part of academia.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 04:06 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:06 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:05 PM (lIU4e)
Which reminds me: have you read my resignation letter?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 04:06 PM (fwARV)
bacteria. Findings "peer-reviewed" and published in Science magazine.
There follows a huge public roll-out by NASA. Big production,
table of scientists all touting the huge discovery. Lots of commentary
about the significance, blah, blah. She is celebrated as emblematic of
government spending on 'science!'.
The amazing thing to me: the whole claim was totally implausible on its face, on scientific grounds. Replacement of phosphorus with arsenic would cause innumerable problems in a coupled system, such as a physiological one. (E.g., reaction rates of phosphate and arsenate esters differ substantially.) It'd be like having tires of wildly different sizes on a car.
If the report were true, it would be monumental scientifically, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and that was not forthcoming. Far from it. I was not at all surprised the report was quickly debunked.
I still can't get over Ph.D. scientists accepting those wild claims uncritically, and unskeptically. It's shameful. I pooh-poohed from the get-go.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:06 PM (oKE6c)
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 30, 2015 04:07 PM (L19NA)
or science programs? Where? Just one single example would be
enlightening.>>>
I'm going to guess Dearborn MI.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 30, 2015 04:07 PM (P/aDH)
I knew a girl who had a snatch tatt that was chinese characters that she thought said "glorious dreamer" or some such nonsense.
One of my Chinese friends cracked up and said "no, it says 'insert here'!"
Still don't know if he was joking or not, but I get a kick out of it just thinking about it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:07 PM (AkOaV)
You know the rule.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:05 PM (jR7Wy)
"I will find a way, or I will make one."
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 04:07 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:07 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:08 PM (tw4zl)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 30, 2015 04:08 PM (L19NA)
Posted by: Buzzion
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Yeah. Great strategy. Mention the guy's name in your paper, then claim exemption from libel liability because he is a 'public figure'.
First we kill all of the lawyers...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:08 PM (F2IAQ)
I had a "ooooooohhhh, now I get it" moment.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:01 PM (AkOaV)
Me too.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:08 PM (oKE6c)
Drs. Hunt, Watson, and Taylor actually had substantive personal achievements in hard science to their credit.
Summers' renown was merely in the canting pseudoscience which is modern economics.
Although it was funny as hell to watch Summers, the epitome of an arrogant liberal New Class northeastern elite academic, get driven out by the same sort of howling mob of which he would have approved, had it targeted a more traditional New Class class adversary.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 04:08 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Buzzion at June 30, 2015 04:06 PM (z/Ubi)
I'm not sure TBH...
Didn't follow it THAT closely.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:08 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: disset555 at June 30, 2015 04:08 PM (VFhMt)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 30, 2015 04:09 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:09 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:06 PM (oKE6c)
Its NASA... the real scientists all left when they figured out we were NOT going back to space.
Posted by: Mob Member #6 at June 30, 2015 04:09 PM (qh617)
Her feed is getting raked, deservedly too.
Do yourselves a favor and don't google her picture...lets just say I took one for the team when I did.
You have been warned.
Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at June 30, 2015 04:09 PM (4CRfK)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2015 04:10 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 04:10 PM (zOTsN)
You have "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" tattooed in Latin?
You know the rule.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:05 PM (jR7Wy)
"I will find a way, or I will make one."
Julius, how was your date last night?
Veni, Vici, Veni.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 04:10 PM (oVJmc)
-
Lizzie hinted today that she might endorse the Sandman. I'll bet Hilldog is crying . . . And plotting revenge.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 04:10 PM (KIRrb)
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2015 04:10 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 04:11 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2015 04:11 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: dissent555 at June 30, 2015 04:11 PM (VFhMt)
science and math? Where in America is a single girl held back from
participating in math or science programs? Where? Just one single
example would be enlightening. Posted by: Jedidiah at June 30, 2015 04:04 PM (a+WIL)
One of my friend's little sisters is good at math and likes it. We are trying to get her to be interested in an engineering career...gobs of STEM scholarships for girls, gobs of money out there for school. But it sounds like she keeps wanting to go into social work, gah.
Not that a good social worker isn't important, and you can parley that degree to other useful things. But that way leads to SJW courses and horrible doctrinating if you are not careful...
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:11 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 30, 2015 04:12 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 04:06 PM (fwARV)
No! Did you quote Johnny Paycheck?
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:12 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 04:10 PM
Sanders/Warren 2016! This time we'll make communism work!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 04:12 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Jay Guevara
-------------------
Aw, c'mon Jay. Don't be so veiled about these things. Say what you were thinking, "BULLSHIT...., that sounds like fcuking BULLSHIT"
Posted by: Rosie, Real Scientist at June 30, 2015 04:13 PM (F2IAQ)
Why indeed
Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at June 30, 2015 04:13 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 04:13 PM (zOTsN)
Ugly
Fat
Stupid
and I can say those things about Connie St. Louis because I'm also a broad and I don't give a crap what the twats on twitter tweet
Posted by: the Butcher at June 30, 2015 04:13 PM (fUjxW)
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:12 PM (lIU4e)
David Allan Coe originally recorded the song i think...
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:13 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 04:13 PM (zOTsN)
I don't think she has the emotional capacity to cry. She only has 2 settings, plot/scheme and lie/cover-up. She might have one more, but you'd have to ask Huma.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2015 04:13 PM (5buP8)
The sandman's campaign song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=CD-E-LDc384
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 30, 2015 04:14 PM (P/aDH)
Sent
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 04:15 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:15 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Connie St. Louis at June 30, 2015 04:15 PM (TJCSB)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2015 04:15 PM (FsuaD)
Some flavor of weasel. Definitely.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:16 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:16 PM (jR7Wy)
I'll go first: a sewer rat
I don't know, it looks like She has a dead skunk on Her head so...
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:16 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:16 PM (F2IAQ)
squatchy in here
can we get those guys who are always looking for the squatch to go to her place
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 04:16 PM (zOTsN)
and likes it. We are trying to get her to be interested in an
engineering career...gobs of STEM scholarships for girls, gobs of money
out there for school. But it sounds like she keeps wanting to go into
social work, gah.
Not that a good social worker isn't important,
and you can parley that degree to other useful things. But that way
leads to SJW courses and horrible doctrinating if you are not careful...
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:11 PM (hvf9s)/i]
I think the problem is that science and engineering tend to select for borderline Asperger types (who all too often are on the wrong side of the border line). Most women are too well-rounded (at ease, morons) and balanced for that.
Someone once asked me where Asperger kids ended up. I replied, "You've obviously never set foot in a STEM department."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:16 PM (oKE6c)
An ork, or some evil, bloated spawn from the depths of Mordor.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2015 04:17 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: dude guy at June 30, 2015 04:17 PM (q177U)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 04:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:17 PM (AkOaV)
Additionally there were at least 100 people present, and last I read there have only been a couple of people to timidly post their first hand accounts in the comment sections of these stories. That's very strange.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 30, 2015 04:17 PM (jhqr1)
eh?
drudge
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 04:17 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 30, 2015 04:18 PM (oVJmc)
eh?
drudge
Saw that... Read it "catered" too much to Christians and Jews...
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:18 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Buzzion at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (azFPh)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Connie St. Louis at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (TJCSB)
In the same sense that firewood is important.
Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (3ZtZW)
Apparently if you are working in the public sector fields as a teacher, work at a university, or at a nonprofit, if you pay your school loans promptly in 10 years the rest will be forgiven. The only fields listed were all public sector jobs. Nothing in the
private sector, or useful for growing the economy, gets the loan
forgiveness. And the loan forgiveness only goes back seven years, so if
you went to school before that you are sunk.
Is this real, did the White House actually sneak in student loan forgiveness when I wasn't looking? I thought that was a pie in the sky dream Obama wanted, bat according to a person I know at a university it is very real.
Let's subsidize the SJW grasshoppers and let the economy growing ants starve. Because that totally makes sense somehow!
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:11 PM
________
A good social worker is very important.
A couple years ago, a relative was in the hospital. The family met with the doctor about the patient's prospects at a normal life, and he kept deferring to the social worker. "I can only give you a medical opinion," he kept saying.
Making sure a person's home is safe for the patient, coordinating with health-care agencies, etc., was all the social worker's job.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (tw4zl)
The first is that despite what the left thinks - people on the right tend not to be evil.
Hey, it's not for lack of effort. Of course, I can only speak for myself.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (vXKGT)
Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:16 PM (F2IAQ)
I could (but won't) go on at length about just how implausible her assertions were, on hard scientific grounds, and how thin her evidence was, but it would be analogous to seeing a hoof print in your backyard and claiming a unicorn must have been there.
"Well, it could be a unicorn's hoof print!"
Sorry, Bucky, but to claim a unicorn we're going need just a bit more than a hoof print.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:18 PM (Bn6aD)
we need to start labeling everything "art"
it is a sculpture
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 04:20 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: General Zod at June 30, 2015 04:20 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:16 PM (oKE6c)
----
They wander the halls where I work, bouncing of the walls and each other in a display of Brownian motion.
We've speculated that the percentage of people with OCD has to be at least 25% -- and it's actually a boon to your career.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:21 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 30, 2015 04:21 PM (P/aDH)
Posted by: Hillary! at June 30, 2015 04:21 PM (3ZtZW)
Yes, it's real.
Buddy of mine is a cop, his wife is a teacher. Two of them have $150,000 in student loans combined. They just hit the F'ing jackpot with this one.
Unfortunately, I work in the private sector and my parents pulled from their retirement savings to pay for my college + I took out loans for the balance and paid it (mostly) off. You know, like a total fucking idiot.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:22 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Garrett at June 30, 2015 04:22 PM (p0KI9)
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:22 PM (lIU4e)
I see a high percentage in the IT field. Particular Network Engineering.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 04:23 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: General Zod at June 30, 2015 04:23 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2015 04:24 PM (2Ojst)
Probably. But note that its being selected for. What will the world look like in a few more generations? Cleaner and bitchier. Bitchier than now, in fact. Its probably at fault for the whole SJW movement.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:24 PM (3ZtZW)
I'm not familiar with that program. I do know there is a student loan forgiveness program for teachers who stay for five years at a school with underperforming minorities.
$17K struck from your student loans.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 30, 2015 04:24 PM (jhqr1)
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Well let's see. You need to discount the people that aren't aware this has happened after the speech. That's probably a majority of the attendees. Then the people that don't care. The people that weren't really paying attention to what was actually said. And then there are the people that know they risk potentially having their own lives ruined by these SJW busybodies for daring to stand up against them.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 30, 2015 04:25 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Garrett at June 30, 2015 04:25 PM (p0KI9)
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:22 PM (lIU4e)
I don't want to get all worked up, but this topic is one that actually will get me worked up.
I struggled -- and more importantly, my PARENTS struggled -- to pay for college as I went, and I took out loans where I needed to, and promptly paid them off. Spent years sacrificing -- not going out, not living in as nice a place as I could have, driving an old car, etc. etc. to pay off my student loans.
Turns out I was an absolute fool to do that, and so were my parents. I'm sure that $50k or so would be a nice little bonus for them to have in their retirement accounts right about now.
I should have racked up $200k in debt going to a fun party school then just waited for it to get forgiven. Worked for some non-profit or something and the govt would have eaten the balance.
Fucking ridiculous.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:26 PM (tw4zl)
Is that because they're all staring at their smart phones? I've seen more than one head to head collision at work because they were both staring at their phone while purposefully walking down the hall.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 30, 2015 04:26 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:27 PM (Bn6aD)
We've speculated that the percentage of people with OCD has to be at least 25% -- and it's actually a boon to your career.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:21 PM (jR7Wy)
I had an undergrad in my lab who wanted my opinion of his application for grad school in chemistry. It concluded with some touchy-feely crap, and in response to my raised eyebrow, he said it was to show he was "well-rounded."
I replied, "Look around at me and my colleagues. Do WE look well-rounded to you? We're looking for grad students who are neurotic, work-obsessed, utterly focused, workaholic losers. In short, people just like us!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:27 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Connie St. Louis at June 30, 2015 04:27 PM (vgIRn)
You can use it for housing, beer, hookers, or blow if you want. As long as you're a full time student.
So how many people with $150k in soon to be forgiven student loan debt spent that money on spring break and impressing the girls vs. how many spent it strictly on tuition?
Just wondering...
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:28 PM (AkOaV)
parents pulled from their retirement savings to pay for my college + I
took out loans for the balance and paid it (mostly) off. You know, like a
total fucking idiot. Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:22 PM (AkOaV)
Some idiot getting a $100K loan to go to their dream school in SJW femme lit, then goes to work for a nonprofit, will get those loans forgiven within a decade. Major in STEM or a useful degree? Your loans are a noose around you for life. Unreal.And of course this just raises the price of college even more, like it wasn't expensive already!
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:28 PM (hvf9s)
there is a student loan forgiveness program for teachers who stay for
five years at a school with underperforming minorities.
$17K struck from your student loans.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 30, 2015 04:24 PM (jhqr1)
Combat pay?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:28 PM (oKE6c)
there is a student loan forgiveness program for teachers who stay for
five years at a school with underperforming minorities.
$17K struck from your student loans.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 30, 2015 04:24 PM (jhqr1)
Combat pay?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:28 PM (oKE6c)
They set it for five years because they expect you to be dead in two.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2015 04:29 PM (2Ojst)
there is a student loan forgiveness program for teachers who stay for
five years at a school with underperforming minorities.
My Nieces Husband did that.... In Sacramento... He deserved combat pay...
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:29 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 04:29 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Colin at June 30, 2015 04:29 PM (WQLtV)
Yep!
I could have gone to Arizona State and partied like it was 1999 for 4 (or 5 or 6) years living off government loans, then got a job at the Clinton Family Crime Charity, and my loans would be forgiven by now.
Boy was I stupid.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:29 PM (AkOaV)
You can use it for housing, beer, hookers, or blow if you want. As long as you're a full time student.
A high percentage of academic fraud is probably due to this same factor. They spend most of the project money on fun, then just reach the same conclusion they guessed they would reach based on what others in their field are saying.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 30, 2015 04:30 PM (jhqr1)
Me, but I guess I'm a sucker. Never went on spring break even. Books, room, board and tuition.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 04:30 PM (kQBSd)
Look at not only politics, but the world of academia, the media, and entertainment. Bill Nye, Tyson, Bill Maher, and Michael Moore get fabulously rich while this scientist gets the boot. Krugman and Friedman get space in the "Newspaper of Record" while Steyn has gotten drummed off the staff of how many publications? (I'll wager Steyn might not be the easiest guy to get along with, but he's one of the most talented writers and observers of the current scene there is.)
We live in the Age of Stupid, but it's not only Stupid, it's aggressive, arrogant stupidity.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at June 30, 2015 04:30 PM (u0lmX)
... to the head.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 30, 2015 04:30 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:31 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:19 PM (oKE6c)
Dude, it was totes peer-reviewed. You're obviously an anti-science kerasphobe.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 30, 2015 04:31 PM (EHU9F)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:31 PM (F2IAQ)
Its usually horrible schools in the South Bronx or Detroit, or AmeriCorps for 10 fkn years on a stipend. Kwitcherbichen and count your blessings you weren't forced to do either.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:31 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2015 04:32 PM (Bn6aD)
That's amazing.
I have never seen it happen here in America. We need to do this! Whrn a screechy SJW throws a Molotov twitter cocktail at a conservative asset, we need to expose the accuser. Ignore the lies being screeched, and put a spotlight on the instigator.
Posted by: @votermomj at June 30, 2015 04:32 PM (cbfNE)
Doesn't that really grind your gears?
Those of us who sacrificed living like ballers to be "financially responsible" turn out to be the idiots after all?
And to think... I missed all of those drunken 18 year old girls with daddy issues in Cancun... So many missed opportunities...
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:32 PM (AkOaV)
Is that because they're all staring at their smart phones? I've seen more than one head to head collision at work because they were both staring at their phone while purposefully walking down the hall.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 30, 2015 04:26 PM (jhqr1)
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No phones.
It's because aggressive, prolonged eye contact of longer than 2 seconds is tantamount to FACE RAPE. Quick! Avert your eyes and touch the wall and you'll be safe!
I wear nice shoes so people have something pretty to look at.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:32 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:29 PM (AkOaV)
So Stupid, MNH, what were you thinking being a responsible adult? (I'm kidding.) We are all in kindergarten now. Be proud, you have dignity, that is a rare commodity these days.
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:32 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:25 PM
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Student loans, health insurance, retirement savings, even maintaining an older car in lieu of replacing it - all similar stories, really. You want to do the right thing. You're a sucker. I'm a sucker, too.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:32 PM (RZtSF)
Or, an AlexTopia Thread.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 04:33 PM (72D6h)
yeah right!
Any non profit works.
Like the Clinton Family Charity.
Or Planned Parenthood.
Or Media Matters for America.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:33 PM (AkOaV)
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Really? Even the federal loans (Stafford,Perkins)?
Posted by: @votermomj at June 30, 2015 04:33 PM (cbfNE)
http://tinyurl.com/p4haqcw
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at June 30, 2015 04:34 PM (ucB75)
How you doin'?
Posted by: rex ryan at June 30, 2015 04:34 PM (kivUY)
Eh -- I'd rather have the stories and battle scars then the feeling of superiority, if we're being honest. If I knew it was a total "borrow as much money as possible" free for all, I would have rocked out with my sock out for 4+ years.
"we're out of beer? Don't worry guys, I got $10,000 in taxpayer dollars burning a hole in my pocket"
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:35 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:32 PM
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So nicely put, while I'm name-calling the same person in 310.
I denounce myself.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:35 PM (RZtSF)
*IF* you're paying it on time for 10 years straight.
How long were you paying?
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:36 PM (3ZtZW)
Yep, the two summer jobs, washing pots and pans at the school cafeteria so I had free meals since I lived off campus. Freezing my ass off over Winter break at the ski resort for some extra money. Yea, good times, good times.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 04:36 PM (kQBSd)
Ya hear me, GOP politicians?
Posted by: @votermomj at June 30, 2015 04:36 PM (cbfNE)
******
We are not supposed to be accurate, we are supposed to get results!!
Posted by: teh reporters at June 30, 2015 04:36 PM (z+4T3)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:38 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: @votermomj at June 30, 2015 04:33 PM (cbfNE)
Really. They'll send the money to your school of choice, or to you directly. In the first case, the school is supposed to cut you a check for the excess. In the second, you're *supposed* to pay your tuition with the loan.
Because, really, it's not a "student loan" at all, as though you could take a loan out for an education. It's an unsecured personal loan with a low fixed interest on which you do not have to make payments until you are no longer in school.
I think you only have to be a part-time student, too (so, like 6 hours per semester or something like that). But don't quote me on that, because it's been a while since I needed to know.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 04:38 PM (kff5f)
You performed normal adult responsibilities! Whew!
Didja pay em off? Betcha did.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:38 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: @votermomj at June 30, 2015 04:38 PM (cbfNE)
Really seems like it would be possible to get some anti-SJW attach research twitter going!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 30, 2015 04:39 PM (iLoHX)
At least, that's how any sensible public figure would react.
Posted by: Null at June 30, 2015 04:39 PM (xjpRj)
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And therein lies the whole fallacy of "modern science by monetary grant" (most all grants are government grants nowdays) in the western world.
Always follow the money and the granter's agenda. You'll find where the BS is every time.
Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 04:39 PM (P25Hh)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:36 PM (3ZtZW)
I paid 'em off in under 10 years (small astericks there, long story), but only because I really tried to.
Never missed a payment or anything.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:39 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Hawkins1701 at June 30, 2015 04:39 PM (2IvUu)
The Daily Mail is investigating the online lyncher.
That's amazing.
I have never seen it happen here in America. We need to do this!
Whrn a screechy SJW throws a Molotov twitter cocktail at a conservative
asset, we need to expose the accuser. Ignore the lies being screeched,
and put a spotlight on the instigator.
Posted by: @votermomj at June 30, 2015 04:32 PM (cbfNE)<<<<
^^^^THIS!!^^^^
Add to that, analysis of our fav. CNN anchors politics and past reporting practices as well. Of course if we did that, or created a news service/website that did that, we would right away be labeled "McCarthyist."
Posted by: Sphynx at June 30, 2015 04:40 PM (OZmbA)
And they're asking these snowfalkes to do the exact same thing - then they will forgive the loans. Such a deal!
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:41 PM (3ZtZW)
So my kid can take out a student loan and invest it in a sure-fire get rich quick scheme, yeah?
I keed, I keed.
Posted by: @votermom at June 30, 2015 04:42 PM (cbfNE)
Professor Kotsko of Shier College in Chicago says that all white people have benefited from slavery, and so we should all commit mass suicide. He himself looks white.
Story at the Social Memo blog.
I don't know if I can take much more of this racial healing...
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 30, 2015 04:42 PM (JgC5a)
I once had an ocassion to look up the UNCA Anthropology Dept.'s website. There I found the following:
"Recent students have explored the culture of organic farming, the experiences and issues of undocumented residents, mobility experiences of women and queer people in Amsterdam and Asheville, stories of traumatic brain injury, the experiences of burlesque performers, Asheville’s pushcart vendors, narratives of resistance in the Burton Street community, female agency among Italian-Americans, among others."
Well, hell's bells, that right there ought to find the guy a really well paying job, I mean there's just gotta be a great demand for that..., uh...., what?, skillset?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:42 PM (F2IAQ)
Any conservative politician that doesn't have a staff videographer isn't serious about winning!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 30, 2015 04:42 PM (iLoHX)
I think about it all the time. It's not so much psychology at play as pathology. We have become a society that no longer questions the motivations or sanity of the people who deliver news to us, or toss a mattress on their shoulder.
A tragic mistake.
Posted by: se pa moron at June 30, 2015 04:43 PM (xQX/f)
YEs. And only, iirc, starting a few years ago. So the people who could really game the system with knowledge would only be going to school/coming out of it now.
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:43 PM (lIU4e)
superiority, if we're being honest. If I knew it was a total "borrow as
much money as possible" free for all, I would have rocked out with my
sock out for 4+ years.
Had an academic scholarship, so had to
keep a high GPA or lost my tuition money. It was the only way I could
afford college. I'm actually glad now I had it, forced me to go to class
and study when it would have been much easier to slack off.
They
eased the rules a few years later, so people could get the same
scholarship but didn't have to keep as high a GPA. Boy was I ticked,
hah! But I'm still glad at the end of the day about how things turned
out. I graduated with pretty much no student debt, was a good feeling!
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:43 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: rrpjr at June 30, 2015 04:44 PM (s/yC1)
Brownian Motion is racist.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 30, 2015 04:44 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 04:44 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:31 PM (F2IAQ)
"People say I'm pedantic, but they won't define their terms precisely and show their analysis in detail!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:44 PM (oKE6c)
I guess this one identifies as a superstar journalist.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2015 04:44 PM (ODxAs)
teacher, work at a university, or at a nonprofit, if you pay your school
loans promptly in 10 years the rest will be forgiven."
There are still many people in this country who would have liked to go to college, and didn't go, because they didn't think the debt equation made sense.
It would make a lot of sense for Republican presidential aspirants to be shining a hot bright light on this debt-forgiveness crap for special-snowflake college grads (the majority of them reliable Democratic voters, so no harm in alienating them), and pointing out to those who opted not to go to college that they're getting boned by this sweetheart deal.
Are any of the candidates in fact picking up on this?
::: crickets :::
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 04:44 PM (noWW6)
http://tinyurl.com/nalmb
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 30, 2015 04:45 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:41 PM (3ZtZW)
No, they're saying make minimum payments for 10 years, then the principle is forgiven.
Huge difference.
I minimized my loans on purpose and paid them off fast.
If I had maximized my loans, and lived the high life off my loans, then made minimum payments for 10 years I'd have been way better off.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:45 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 04:46 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2015 04:46 PM (XVWwL)
Or instead of buying a new car.
Or instead of renting a nicer place.
Or... whatever.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:46 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 30, 2015 04:45 PM (7YlUk)
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Bad link
Posted by: @votermom at June 30, 2015 04:47 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 04:47 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: DaveA at June 30, 2015 04:47 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:27 PM (oKE6c)
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LOL! And yet, the breadth of knowledge in my specialized little office is astounding. It's like the Horde Mind (if somewhat less salty/sticky) -- no matter the topic, somebody knows something or can point you in the right direction. Much more "well rounded" and well-read than some liberal arts types, although we are a sort of STEM/Nerd two-headed freak (or beast with two backs).
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:47 PM (jR7Wy)
Right. So my buddy the welder who didn't go to college because his parents had no money and he didn't want to take on a huge debt load is now subsidizing people who went to college for Womens Studies and got a job at a non-profit making $50k a year studying women.
Because that's fair.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:47 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Jay Guevara
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Harris, a cartoon for every occasion.
http://tinyurl.com/ocpdbfq
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:47 PM (F2IAQ)
I worked my ass off at any shitty job I could get so to limit my need for loans.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 04:48 PM (kQBSd)
American College of Pediatricians: "Same-Sex Marriage is Not Best for Children"
http://tinyurl.com/nalmbkj
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 30, 2015 04:48 PM (7YlUk)
Cooking a steak and can't think straight. The sizzling, the sizzling...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (jR7Wy)
ace is not cheating on us with that trollop twitter.
*narrows eyes*
There were more steaks, weren't there, ace?
Posted by: alexthechick - sternum rester at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:45 PM (AkOaV)
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Financially, but I think it would have had a negative impact on your emotional and spiritual well-being. YMMV
Posted by: @votermom at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (cbfNE)
You don't get up on your hind legs and fight this?
He quit.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (baR5c)
Yeah. You can spend the loan money on whatever floats your boat, and if you play your cards right, its forgiven after 10 years.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (AkOaV)
I know it's cold comfort, but you and your buddy did the smart thing and don't have to stress about debt for 10 years.
I do think there should be some sense of 'reasonable' loans forgiveness IF they were going to do it (which granted was not necessary). Maybe only up to Stafford level?
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:50 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 04:48 PM (kQBSd)
boy were we stupid.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:50 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: alexthechick - sternum rester at June 30, 2015 04:51 PM (mf5HN)
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Got it. You're going to be pissed about it no matter what. No problem. End of discussion.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:51 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:51 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2015 04:51 PM (baR5c)
Everyone is flipped out about the job dearth. Not merely the millennials. It cuts across all age groups.
Personal economic uncertainty has topped the list of voter worries every year since 2008, say the polling mavens.
Meanwhile, GOP presidential candates chase squirrels with Confederate flags on them.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 04:51 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (jR7Wy)
I have a ribeye in the fridge. And squash. And Rufus Teague Made Some Sauce. Yum.
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:52 PM (lIU4e)
NO! Because the problem is that everyone in my generation is sitting around waiting for congress to forgive all student loans.
A lot of people not paying or just making minimum payments.
Loading up on debt with the belief that Obama or Hillary! or whoever will just wave a wand and forgive it.
That's fucked up and is unfair to people who purposely tried to minimize their loans and instead of going to a fun school and partying for 4+ years went to a cheap school and worked full time while going to school full time.
It's fucked up. Totally fucked up.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:52 PM (AkOaV)
Hate group!! *points fingers*
Posted by: Southern Poverty Law Center at June 30, 2015 04:52 PM (hvf9s)
Give full scholarships to ROTC cadets, then once they're commissioned, allow them to denounce the evil military, say their views "evolved" of some such crap.
The government gets to waste money AND weaken our armed forces. Win-win!
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:52 PM (yckiS)
off my loans, then made minimum payments for 10 years I'd have been way
better off.
Posted by: mynewhandle
Yep. Events of the last few years have proven that most of us who acted with prudence were just chumps.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 30, 2015 04:53 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2015 04:53 PM (baR5c)
I know, let's add a whole new level of uncertainty to business by declaring that the way a law is written may or may not have anything to do with how it is interpreted or enforced!
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 04:53 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 04:51 PM (3ZtZW)
Yes, absolutely.
I'm pissed if my tax dollars go to forgive one cent of anyone elses loans, when I made life decisions based on the idea that I had to pay back the loans, and others made life decisions based on the idea that their loans will be "forgiven" (by the tax payer.)
It's like the neighbor who took out a HELOC to buy a boat then gets bailed out by the tax payers when he finds himself underwater on his mortgage, while you worked your ass off to pay down your mortgage like an idiot.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:54 PM (AkOaV)
After all, can't let the great experiment fail........
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at June 30, 2015 04:54 PM (VNgld)
Posted by: alexthechick - sternum rester at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (mf5HN)
I wonder if manatee tastes like chicken. Because, if you were to beat one of those to death with your fists in rage-desire for a steak, at least you'd have something that tastes like chicken.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 30, 2015 04:54 PM (EHU9F)
Don't worry, tho, the trade deal will 'fix' that.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 30, 2015 04:54 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: jjod at June 30, 2015 04:55 PM (0r7PZ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:42 PM (F2IAQ)
Check out these useless wankers: http://tinyurl.com/ombmuju
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:55 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (baR5c)
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Perhaps he's been watching the spoiled-brat social justice creep start contaminating his laboratory and told one last joke and said, "fuck it. I quit". Sounds plausible.
Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 04:55 PM (P25Hh)
I agree with you. I went to a pricey school, but I made sure to get a scholarship and loans and although they are not quite paid off, it won't be long. But I've been paying on them. And yes, you could get super mad that you didn't take the spring breaks or the summer abroad or the senior trip (went to work FT the Tuesday after graduation).
Of you could realize that the way you did it brought you financial peace, and try not to let this other bullshit take that away from you. You don't have student loans now. Take your trip now.
The politics of it we have to deal with in other ways.
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 04:55 PM (lIU4e)
Because that's fair.
I had a job in a machine shop while I was in HS, making a couple of times the minwage. I was told that I could look forward to making good money, which I did for a while. I supported my family for many years in relative comfort.
I was not told that a future president would sign a law that would destroy my (and many millions of other's) career. Politics never entered the equation.
Then.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 04:55 PM (eEb+d)
I had a choice between chicken or steak fajitas yesterday; chose chicken. With all the steak talk I'm beginning to wonder if I chose poorly, hah! Mmm steak.
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:54
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Can't begrudge a guy a boat if his house is under water, MNH.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (yckiS)
of anyone elses loans, when I made life decisions based on the idea that
I had to pay back the loans, and others made life decisions based on
the idea that their loans will be "forgiven" (by the tax payer.)
It's like the neighbor who took out a HELOC to buy a boat then gets
bailed out by the tax payers when he finds himself underwater on his
mortgage, while you worked your ass off to pay down your mortgage like
an idiot.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:54 PM (AkOaV)/i]
My wife and I rant about this periodically. And wonder if we've raised our kids to be chumps.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (oKE6c)
no money and he didn't want to take on a huge debt load is now
subsidizing people who went to college for Womens Studies and got a job
at a non-profit making $50k a year studying women."
It'll also be interesting to see how many of these qualifying "nonprofits" turn out to be Potemkin village operations created merely to exploit the loan-forgiveness scheme.
Around here, on the front end of the college process, wealthy liberal families who are trying to get their kids into elite universities go so far as to set up bullshit "charitable" and "environmental" organizations, for which the kid works pro bono. To pad out the extracurricular side of the kid's college application with approved SJW activities, without having to sweat too hard.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (noWW6)
That reminds me of a joke.
How do you tell the difference between a regular Computer Scientist and a very outgoing Computer Scientist?
The very outgoing CS stares at YOUR shoes instead of their own.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (yckiS)
golf clap. :-D
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (AkOaV)
I had one job cleaning die casting machines. I finished my first shift and the boss came up and said congrats. you've lasted longer that anybody has at THIS job. One of the two dirtiest nastiest jobs I've ever has. Grinder operator would be the other.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (kQBSd)
Because liberals will always spend my money and life isn't fair.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at June 30, 2015 04:57 PM (oa6hT)
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at June 30, 2015 04:57 PM (uPxUo)
Tenured with full retirement might allow for a Moron lifestyle!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 30, 2015 04:57 PM (iLoHX)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2015 04:56 PM (oKE6c)
Well *I* certainly feel like a chump.
And I feel horrible that my parents contributed any money to my college education when apparently I could have gone to school, loaded up on loans, taken a non profit job for 10 years and had the debt forgiven by the time I was 31 anyways.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 04:58 PM (AkOaV)
Texas is closed. Moose out front should have told you.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2015 04:58 PM (XVWwL)
Most of us here probably did the 'right' thing concerning debt, paying taxes, being gainfully employed etc. We are all suckers.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2015 04:58 PM (ODxAs)
There were more steaks, weren't there, ace?
Posted by: alexthechick - sternum rester at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM
I do believe he indicated plural steaks. It would explain a lot...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 04:59 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: wrg500
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I lived in a $100/mo. unfurnished apartment. Sole 'furniture' was a mattress on the floor. I studied sitting on the floor under a bulb hanging by an extension cord from an overhead light fixture.
I swiped (a painful, and shameful admission) toilet paper and soap from the school restrooms.
I worked a student assistant job, and took maximum academic load to get through in 3 years.
I knew another guy who was worse off than I was. He lived in his ratted-out Ford Econoline van. Last I heard, he was a successful, long term engineer at Lockheed.
I have no patience with whiners.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:59 PM (F2IAQ)
Sounds like a charter application for AoS Ecological Charities is in order!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 30, 2015 05:00 PM (iLoHX)
I hope Connie St Louis gets breast and ovarian cancer and every other kind of cancer
Looking for a cure Snowflake? Try a #hashtag
Posted by: kbdabear at June 30, 2015 05:00 PM (GrXXa)
As shitty as it is, all I can say is GOOD. Fkn jubilee that bitch. I'll jump on it with both feet.
/going home, later
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 05:00 PM (3ZtZW)
Hi. How you doin'?
Posted by: alexthechick - sternum rester at June 30, 2015 04:51 PM (mf5HN)
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You know I'm Glamping when we go to Gettysburg, right? Champagne, cigarillos, silk sheets. Victrola cranked by my valet Fulgencio.
We're not savages.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 05:01 PM (jR7Wy)
but maybe I don't. In the articles I read, they talk about going after
the Catholic/Mormon/Baptist churches to challenge the tax exemption if
they refuse to marry gays. But no mention of Islam...Am I missing
something?
.
.
.
.Islam and Mosques are the Political Third Rail, they simply aren't mentioned in the same sentences as Christians and Jews in the hopes that no one will notice.
And there is the rub. If they aren't included in the ban all tax breaks rush to judgement for Churches, it all falls apart and they know it. For now it is just smack talk.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2015 05:01 PM (iONHu)
Looking for a cure Snowflake? Try a #hashtag
Uptwinkles.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2015 05:03 PM (XVWwL)
That sounds awesome. Wish I could go.
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 05:03 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: kbdabear at June 30, 2015 05:00 PM
________
I'd never wish prostate cancer on anyone but I suppose I can make an exception just this once.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 05:03 PM (yckiS)
/going home, later
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at June 30, 2015 05:00 PM (3ZtZW)
Well, you're welcome.
Oh, and fuck you.
-- Every tax payer ever
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 05:03 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2015 05:03 PM (XVWwL)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:59 PM (F2IAQ)
----------------------------------------
I lived in a lean-to behind a funeral home. My only income was cleaning out caskets of disinterred crime victims. I had a girlfriend. But she never said much. The director of the home gave me free meat. That was the only way I survived getting an education.
Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 05:06 PM (P25Hh)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 04:42 PM (F2IAQ)
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Which is why we need to graduate more STEM majors to be unemployed. For diversity.
Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2015 05:07 PM (NUqwG)
How do you tell the difference between a regular Computer Scientist and a very outgoing Computer Scientist?
The very outgoing CS stares at YOUR shoes instead of their own.
Posted by: bonhomme
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The difference between an Actuary and an Accountant?
An Accountant can't deal with the excitement.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2015 05:08 PM (F2IAQ)
Connie is a tragic waste of an awful lot of skin.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 30, 2015 05:09 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 05:03 PM (lIU4e)
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Inveniam viam aut faciam!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 30, 2015 05:09 PM (jR7Wy)
That would be Professor Blum, who instructs on science writing and journalism at U of Wisc. in Madison.
Now how could we expect the poor little dear to remember any of the sciencey things that got said? It's not like it's her academic specialty or life's work or anything........
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 30, 2015 05:14 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2015 05:16 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 30, 2015 05:17 PM (xq1UY)
are they paying the taxes on that income?
Posted by: X at June 30, 2015 06:13 PM (xGNLA)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at June 30, 2015 06:21 PM (5itIK)
Posted by: Talkin' Taqyia2Me, DNC/MSM/RNC at June 30, 2015 06:29 PM (sJuKe)
We should have a similar policy about disbelieving what they say. When a great man -- a Nobel laureate, say, or someone who just landed a probe on a *comet* -- is slandered for saying something outrageously sexist or racist or able-ist or trans-phobic or whatever, we should start out by assuming it's a lie unless proven otherwise. "He said that? Prove it. Show me the transcript."
On rare occasions, it will NOT be a lie. (The comet-lander actually did wear a shirt. Brendan Eich actually did make a political contribution. Gasp.) We can then ask why, other than to make a small person feel bigger by tearing down the mighty, we are talking about this issue at all.
Posted by: Daniel in Brookline at June 30, 2015 07:33 PM (Hb2Kx)
Posted by: Commissar M at June 30, 2015 08:21 PM (KSF9t)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at June 30, 2015 08:37 PM (B7eYV)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at June 30, 2015 08:37 PM (B7eYV)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at June 30, 2015 08:38 PM (B7eYV)
Posted by: stonedome at June 30, 2015 10:46 PM (j79AH)
Time to fight back ... grow some thicker skin and just be yourself.
STOP THE APPEASEMENT.
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