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Bill DiBlasio Vs. Mike Flynn on Freedom and Humility in Government

Bumped. The election is Tuesday -- this Tuesday. I'm trying to gin up one last moneybomb to get the campaign more district-workers and GOTV. I think we are right on the edge of pulling this off.

Contribute if you can, and if you can't, please volunteer to make calls in the district, and spread this post around.'

Updated: Ed Morrissey interviews Mike Flynn here, on the Hugh Hewitt show.


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Bill DiBlasio despises you and your freedom.

New Yorkers may soon not be able to smoke in their own homes, if Democratic New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio gets his way.

The New York Post reported on de Blasio’s new initiative to partner with health groups that will "pressure landlords" into banning smoking in apartment buildings.

"“That means smokers would be barred from lighting up in one of their last sanctuaries: their own living quarters," the paper said. "Smoking is already banned in public places, including bars and restaurants, workplaces, sports venues, and parks."

I keep saying this, but quitting smoking is the best decision I ever made, apart from eating that rib-eye a half hour ago. I would strongly urge all smokers to kick the habit -- you don't need it, just as a junkie doesn't need his drug, and you will be a better person -- healthier, more present in the moment (not thinking about your next nicotine jones), better at sex (everyone enjoying reduced lung capacity?), and richer.

Your life will become better almost immediately-- within, I'd say, about four days. Sure, three days of (some mild) withdrawal, and then just every day better and better for the rest of your (longer) life.

And I'll do what I can to help you.

But the way to persuade people is to actually persuade them.

Not to bully them.

DiBlasio begins with a truth -- smoking is bad -- and then turns it into a lie by not recognizing the most important truth of all:

A free people is only free if it is permitted to do the WRONG thing, as well as the right thing.

In Nazi Germany, you were always free to do the "right" thing (as defined by the government) of supporting the Party and hating the Jews.

It is not freedom if you are permitted to do what a collection of social-climbing, sexually-bent, bullying idiots have decided is the right thing.


It is only freedom if you are permitted to do those things that collection of social-climbing, sexually-bent, bullying idiots think is the wrong thing.*

But don't listen to me.

Let me quote Congressional candidate Mike Flynn -- dare I say the front-runner? -- explaining his definition of what conservative philosophy is.

We are all children of God, and we are all touched by the divine. And because of that we are unique, and we are all individuals. Conservatism is a humility in government, that we do not know what's best for you. That we would not try to define what's best for you. You go, with your divine spark, and pursue [your dream]. Conservatism is freedom -- within responsibilities, we enter into a social contract through the Constitution to protect those rights we have so that others do not infringe on them, but at that point Government should largely go away. And let us live. As conservatives -- I've said it before, and it amazes me, but we are selling freedom. And if we can't sell freedom, we do indeed suck.

By the way, check out his great answer on how to change the tax code-- towards the flat tax -- at 44:22. Even if you're against the flat tax, listen to his answer-- you'll be impressed.

And then check out 53:20, where he offers the idea of "regulatory budgeting," an idea implemented in Canada -- if a regulatory agency implements a new regulation costing $100 million, they must offset that by taking a regulation worth $100 million off the books.

Have you heard another politician talking about this?

One of the things Flynn said to me, personally -- this hasn't been introduced into the campaign yet -- is that he wants to implement, as far as school reform, the Dutch System.

By the way, I forget the actual country. It may not be the Netherlands. This is my several-year-old memory.

What's the Dutch system? Well, the government gives each parent a check to pay for school, and the parent can use that for any school -- including religious schools. There is no church-state question because the decision is up to the parent. All the state did was cut a check and say "Do what you think is best."

Mike is very fond of referring to this as "the Dutch model" because he knows that the liberal media is overly-smitten of ENLIGHTENED EUROPEAN WAYS OF DOING THINGS. So he always says, "Well, of course, I favor the Dutch model. Obviously, you know?"

Which is Pure School Choice -- the government's role is to deliver a check, and the money follows the student to whatever school his parent wants.

That's why I'm saying he's a genius. He's not just smart, and he's not just right on policy.

He's a little crafty about things.

He knows how stupid the liberal media is, and he eagerly wishes to exploit this.


You know what to do.


* I'm convinced they're sexually bent. No one getting his rocks off nice, no one who still has animal spirit in his blood, goes about this stupid, pointless, sport-for-fat-weaklings busybodying.

Posted by: Ace at 06:41 PM




Comments

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1 Fist?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:02 PM (jsWA8)

2 I'll call the others.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:02 PM (jsWA8)

3 Stop smoking or he'll publically murder your groundhog.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 30, 2015 02:03 PM (kfcYC)

4 A free people is only free if it is permitted to do the WRONG thing, as well as the right thing.

AND

suffer the consequences.

Posted by: cajun caret at June 30, 2015 02:03 PM (UZQM8)

5 But about Disparate Impact? Will Section 8 people get thrown out?

Posted by: Yes means Maybe at June 30, 2015 02:03 PM (7wyDO)

6 Stop smoking "Cigerettes"

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:04 PM (jsWA8)

7 the government's role is to deliver a check

*twitch*

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 30, 2015 02:04 PM (ZKzrr)

8 6 Stop smoking "Cigerettes"
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:04 PM (jsWA


State Guvs can't survive without smokers now... ain't that some fuggin irony?

Posted by: cajun caret at June 30, 2015 02:04 PM (UZQM8)

9 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:05 PM (kff5f)

10 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:05 PM (kff5f)

11 I wonder what percentage of NY smokes buy off the black market?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:05 PM (jsWA8)

12 I favor the French model.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2015 02:06 PM (8ZskC)

13 Come to Texas, where you're still free to smoke in your own home.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:06 PM (kff5f)

14 But which Moons of Endor option do you want for the garbage-rifling problem? There are nine of them, after all!

Posted by: the MFM at June 30, 2015 02:06 PM (kivUY)

15 But smoking mj and crack are okay??

Posted by: Mrs. Ace of Spades with a Wang! at June 30, 2015 02:06 PM (iQIUe)

16 Fuck him. Kind of makes me want to start smoking again.

Posted by: Weasel at June 30, 2015 02:06 PM (6xtq3)

17 If this includes cigars....

Posted by: We have found our hill at June 30, 2015 02:06 PM (wkuqO)

18
Molon Lucky's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:07 PM (St6BJ)

19 What does Chelsea Clinton think about this?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2015 02:07 PM (8ZskC)

20
And if we can't sell freedom, we do indeed suck.


I don't think it's all that big a seller anymore.



Posted by: eleven at June 30, 2015 02:07 PM (IPzoI)

21 I wish I could get out of this country.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (YFw5T)

22 But I won't smoke in Allen's house. Smoke outside.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (Pr1dy)

23 Fist?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:02 PM


That, comrade, will be required under the rule of our new, fabulous overlords.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (h4vJk)

24 I wonder what percentage of NY smokes buy off the black market?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:05 PM (jsWA




What's the closest Indian casino to NYC?


Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (nL0sw)

25 When does the butter smuggling start?

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (ztOda)

26 I have smoked
the stogie
You had hid
In the icebox

Posted by: This is just to say at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (xaWUq)

27 I prefer the Danish system.

Posted by: Chris Christie at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (8ZskC)

28 Did he say anything about doing things with cigars other than smoking them? I'm asking for a friend.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (FwRqg)

29 State Guvs can't survive without smokers now... ain't that some fuggin irony?
That's why states/provinces and cities want to treat e-cigs the same way real tobacco products are treated and taxed.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (kivUY)

30 21 I wish I could get out of this country.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (YFw5T)


I wish I could get the bastards who overthrew this country to get the fuck out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (St6BJ)

31 As time goes on (and as a parent of kids in private school) I am less and less enamored of the Government having anything to do with education (beyond, possibly, setting some testing standards).

That said: the government will be involved with education. Given that reality, there are worse solutions than universal vouchers.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (kff5f)

32 Way way back in his 20/20 days, John Stossel did a report on the "Dutch Model", as Flynn calls it. It made so much sense, I didn't get why it wasn't the standard everywhere.

One word: Unions. Two words: Union Control.

Why do unions hate the children???

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:09 PM (hvf9s)

33 Hey, can't I just advocate for smoking?

Speaking of advocating, I think I will find an appropriate sign or tee shirt, one which displays my support for traditional marriage, and start hanging out in Starbucks with the signage.

Just advocating.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at June 30, 2015 02:09 PM (U6f54)

34 free·dom- the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.


Last seen on a milk carton.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 30, 2015 02:10 PM (fWAjv)

35 The three stooges again.

Too bad Flynn is a previously married man.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2015 02:10 PM (NUqwG)

36 "Why do unions hate the children???"


Because child labor laws prevent them from being unionised?

Posted by: Phil at June 30, 2015 02:11 PM (39FGM)

37 When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.

Posted by: Bill DiBlasio at June 30, 2015 02:11 PM (6qR/9)

38 Freedom, tax reform, budget reduction - Mike Flynn may be my current front runner for president....

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at June 30, 2015 02:11 PM (IyKms)

39 Yeah, I wonder how much persuading they're gonna do to the landlords that
have buildings overlooking Central Park?

Posted by: Roman Maroni at June 30, 2015 02:11 PM (vCA4F)

40 I don't think it's all that big a seller anymore.
Posted by: eleven at June 30, 2015 02:07 PM (IPzoI)


This.

People don't want Liberty. They don't want Freedom - not real freedom which comes with responsibilities.

People want hand-outs. People want Sugar Daddy government. They don't care when they're told about one more thing they can't do, because they're so busy engaging in the new things they are permitted to do.

Everything, as one of the Morons frequently points out, is backwards.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:11 PM (kff5f)

41
Stop smoking or he'll publically murder your groundhog.


Promise? Because that's probably cheaper than calling VarmintGuard to get rid of the little shits.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at June 30, 2015 02:12 PM (P/aDH)

42 I am thinking of a tee shirt, appropriately rainbowed, saying "I Stand With The Pole-Smokers". Hang around Starbuck's.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 30, 2015 02:12 PM (Pr1dy)

43
I axed last week if smoking was illegal in churches.

Well??

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 30, 2015 02:12 PM (ye7KB)

44 Does this include weed?
How about pole?

Posted by: tu3031 at June 30, 2015 02:12 PM (YFFpo)

45 I fully support and applaud this. Smoking is immoral, and we need to ban all immoral things.

Posted by: Typical SoCon Voter at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (YYJjz)

46 43
I axed last week if smoking was illegal in churches.

Well??
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 30, 2015 02:12 PM (ye7KB)


Fags? Not any more.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (St6BJ)

47 RioBravo,

who's paying you to make your sudden appearance here, asshole?

Posted by: ace at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (bhepQ)

48 How can anyone be against a Flat Tax?

Especially when wedded to a Balanced Budget law that mandates jail time for anyone who dares even suggest spending one cent more, as I've been advocating for years now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (eEb+d)

49 wow.....i guess some choices are more equal than others or something

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (0O7c5)

50 3 years smoke free as of April 1st. Touch my e-cig and Ill break your arm.

And yes, I roll my own e-cig juice.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2015 02:14 PM (XVWwL)

51 Why do unions hate the children???
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:09 PM (hvf9s)
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They DON'T hate children. They hate being held accountable for doing their duty towards the child and its family by providing a good education.

Posted by: Bill DiBlasio at June 30, 2015 02:14 PM (6qR/9)

52 >>>8 Freedom, tax reform, budget reduction - Mike Flynn may be my current front runner for president....

not to get ahead of ourselves but I am quite serious when I say he could be a game-changer. I could see higher office.

Posted by: ace at June 30, 2015 02:14 PM (bhepQ)

53 I prefer the Greek school system where the government writes you a check and it bounces, then they blame it on Germany.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 30, 2015 02:14 PM (TJCSB)

54
If the long arm of the law has already gone inside churches to ban smoking, then Anything goes.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 30, 2015 02:14 PM (ye7KB)

55 that's why i would advocate at least the French Model on abortion restrictions.

I mean, they are so enlightened, no???

Posted by: joe at June 30, 2015 02:14 PM (8M80g)

56

There is no doubt Billy Blas is a weird slob, look at him.

What the fuck has he ever done in his life except kiss ass and once in power, threaten people?

He is a worthless pile of garbage. A weird pile at that. I remember working on troubleshooting a network connection for a kid of a wealthy administrator at a big university.

This kid was such a pile of crap, he lived in faith, was obese, unshaven, wore flip flops, was dirty and played video games all day.

He looked exactly like what Blassy looked like in that dumb picture with him in an afro.

I maintain that to life the veil of progressivism is to find a horrifying truth, and it involves weird sexual stuff, on the scale of NAMBLA.

But we have a media that is all, like, you know, LGBT rights and equality, an stuff, like, that and junk.

It is a total fantasy. They live in a fantasy world.

Fantasy worlds do not go on forever.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Esq at June 30, 2015 02:15 PM (APXIm)

57 I didn't realize Flynn wears glasses. He's got that lean and hungry look. I think I want to ask for a refund on my donation...

But seriously, I'm tobacco-free, and have been for about 10 years. It is teh freedom. No other word for it.

That bastages like DeCommio want to violate the Fourth Amendment is neither surprising, nor likely to be stopped by anything we currently have in the way of governing bodies. So smoke 'em while you can, folks.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2015 02:15 PM (TOk1P)

58 *twitch*


Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 30, 2015 02:04 PM (ZKzrr)


My thoughts exactly.

I hate the public school system (but not enough to fight my wife on the issue right now.)
But under this model one of two things happens 1) tons of shitty "schools" spring up as ways to collect checks.
2) We institute a regulatory model which will promptly eliminate all the religious schools with some bullshit regulation.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at June 30, 2015 02:15 PM (s92xH)

59 I still smoke cigarettes and cigars. Why? Because I enjoy doing so.

Plus, it infuriates the people who absolutely know what's best for me.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 02:15 PM (P25Hh)

60 No cigarettes since August of 1991. Don't miss them at all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:15 PM (St6BJ)

61 RioBravo,

who's paying you to make your sudden appearance here, asshole?
Posted by: ace at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (bhepQ)
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Jolly Folks for Rients.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2015 02:16 PM (NUqwG)

62 not to get ahead of ourselves but I am quite serious when I say he could be a game-changer. I could see higher office.

From your keyboard to the Big Guy's Blog...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:16 PM (eEb+d)

63 Ace forgot to mention the trendy new Dad Bod you will get after quitting. Win Win Win. All kidding aside, my father died from lung cancer. I smoked for 20 years and probably will as well. BECAUSE I made a bad choice. Me. Not Philip Morris. Yeah marketing, yeah addicting. And it was not easy to quite. It is about personal responsibility. period.

Posted by: Mac at June 30, 2015 02:16 PM (0J18b)

64 I wonder what percentage of NY smokes buy off the black market?
=======

The City of New York actually did a survey of cigarette sourcing in NYC. The City sent survey teams out in all five boroughs. They removed empty packs tossed into city trash bins and examined the tax stamps on each pack. IIRC, something like 54% of the packs were purchased outside of NY, with the number one state of origin being New Hampshire.

Posted by: mrp at June 30, 2015 02:17 PM (JBggj)

65 @ 57 - "He's got that lean and hungry look."

Well, Chris Christie has half of that, at least.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 30, 2015 02:17 PM (YYJjz)

66 >>>Ace forgot to mention the trendy new Dad Bod you will get after quitting. Win Win Win.

eh i put on the 10 pounds of extra weight and now i'm shedding it.

Posted by: ace at June 30, 2015 02:17 PM (bhepQ)

67 i mean, I already did shed the stopping-smoking weight. now i'm working on the years-of-inactivity weight.

Posted by: ace at June 30, 2015 02:18 PM (bhepQ)

68 Time to take up smoking in public.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:18 PM (MgFMj)

69 Which candidate supports Dutch door action?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 30, 2015 02:18 PM (vJki2)

70 @ 47 - "who's paying you to make your sudden appearance here, asshole?"

Wait - you can get PAID to do this?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 30, 2015 02:18 PM (YYJjz)

71 Fairly soon I expect NYC to ban sex in private.

It's discriminatory and laws banning public sex have a disparate impact on the favored minorities. Sex will need to effected in well-regulated, safe public spaces (properly lit, with ADA access and sprinklers) -- partners and specific acts to be performed will be assigned using a bi-normative distribution and participation will be mandatory.

This way a reasonable replacement rate can be maintained, while providing all with an opportunity to engage in various fetishes without suffering mico-aggressions due to body shape, age, identity, or when your assigned partner has last showered.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2015 02:18 PM (ztOda)

72 >>> A free people is only free if it is permitted to do the WRONG thing, as well as the right thing.

I am incredibly allergic to smoke, any smoke. Campfire smoke, cigarette smoke, what have you. I'm one of the few people for whom pot smoke makes them extremely ill.

My neighbor is a chain smoker, liked to smoke on his stoop. The canyon winds always blow this smoke to my apt. Even with windows sealed, it sneaks in. Does not help my health in any way.

Our Nazi HOA sent around a flyer last year saying they were going to ban smoking on the premises, because health and because the kids in our complex. HOA got their way; complex is smoke free now. Guess who was adamantly against this? Me, one of the people most likely to benefit.

Freedom is freedom. It should be his right to smoke in his own freaking home. What is next, banning pets? Trans fats? There is always a next with HOAs, they are a conglomerate of busybodies that never rest.


Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:18 PM (hvf9s)

73 A while back, early to mid 2000s there was a town in California that banned smoking on public property, even things like park benches. I remember thinking, within 10 years, it will be illegal to smoke in your house.

Sadly I was right.

And I say this as an ex-smoker who despises the smell of smoke today.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:19 PM (0LHZx)

74 Sultan Knish has a great post on being a saboteur:

http://tinyurl.com/npl56ug

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:19 PM (MgFMj)

75 if you're worried about gaining weight when you quit smoking, start exercising and dieting as you quit.

I know that sounds crazy, like three terrible things at once, but in fact once you're doing one terrible thing, it's good to have the distraction of the others.

virtuous cycles reinforce each other, as do vicious ones.

besides, the stopping-smoking weight can be shed in a month.

Posted by: ace at June 30, 2015 02:19 PM (bhepQ)

76 *waves paw*

Presume donuts and dicks rant here.

One of the things Flynn said to me, personally -- this hasn't been introduced into the campaign yet -- is that he wants to implement, as far as school reform, the Dutch System.


I read that as Death Star at first and was all Go on. . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - sternum rester at June 30, 2015 02:19 PM (mf5HN)

77 Are there home school cooperatives where rotating parents work with small groups of students? That would seem to be a method. We all have different talents.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 30, 2015 02:19 PM (Pr1dy)

78 Who cares what the they want to do in New Yawk City? If your not wealthy the place is a toilet. New Yawk bans this, New Yawk bans that. How about we ban New Yawk? If your living there your either too stupid, or too lazy or too greedy to move.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (D0NZx)

79 @ 67 - " i mean, I already did shed the stopping-smoking weight. now i'm working on the years-of-inactivity weight."

Hey Ace, just do what I do. I tell people that I'm in shape, with the caveat that round is a shape.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (YYJjz)

80 >>There is always a next with HOAs, they are a conglomerate of busybodies that never rest.

"No HOA" is one of the things I am looking for in our next home.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (O7MnT)

81 no Cigarette since 1305.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (jsWA8)

82 Deblasio is the perfect candidate for a Republican to use Alinksy tactics on.
He's let the quality of life go down. Crime is up, and things are spiraling out of control.
Make him the face of all that is bad in NYC. Make his ideas the root of all evil in NYC. If anything at all goes bad, "Its cloudy on Friday" its Deblasio's fault. He only got 17% of the vote! He can be beaten by someone willing to fight.

Posted by: Iblis at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (LmNPL)

83 Mike looks kind of angry during the introductions. No one like a grinning idiot, but he might want to fix that.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (laMCB)

84 I haven't smoked since 1580.

Posted by: William, Duke of Orange at June 30, 2015 02:21 PM (bhepQ)

85 81 no Cigarette since 1305.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (jsWA

You're over 710 years old?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2015 02:21 PM (2Ojst)

86 RE: smoking

Smokers are one of the few groups (along with white christian men) who it's socially okay to go after will full hatred at any time.

I've had random people come up to me on the street and get in my face about smoking a cigarette. "I HAVE ASTHMA, PLEASE DONT SMOKE ON THE SIDEWALK" type things. I even had a 10 year old (or so) kid run up to me, grab my cigarette out of my hand, and break it in half. Total stranger. And his mom gave me a shit eating grin afterwards. If he was a little older, I would have called the cops and had him arrested for assault. I was SHOCKED that his mother didn't say anything or apologize profusely. Especially considering how much cigarettes cost.

It's really shocking.

Anyways, yeah. My two cents.

Southpark had a great skit on it at the "Museum of Tolerance" -- after the kids learn how they have to be tolerant, the museum guide yells at some guy for smoking and calls him a filthy tar breath.

That's basically how it is.

So deblasio doesnt shock me with his "cant smoke outside... or inside... or anywhere." shit.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:21 PM (AkOaV)

87 Not sure I could be persuaded to care less what Wilhelm wants to do--as long as it STAYS downstate.

New Yorkers voted him in, let them live with his whims.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 30, 2015 02:21 PM (jeCnD)

88 hours...

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:21 PM (jsWA8)

89 I want Flynn to win the election, let there be no doubt about that.

But what was he thinking in that debate? Was his suit at the cleaner?

Sure, it shouldn't matter if he was giving all the right answers, but it still does. A great number of people will never hear him speak - only see the image.

Who the fuck is handling this guy?

He needs someone to tell him where he's fucking up, not someone to continually blow sunshine up his ass.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (9ZZd+)

90 @ 85 - "You're over 710 years old?"

There can only be one.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (YYJjz)

91 And I say this as an ex-smoker who despises the smell of smoke today.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:19 PM (0LHZx)


----------------------------------------


There's no person more obnoxious as a reformed smoker. They're worse than leftists.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (P25Hh)

92 Yeah I noticed that troll only seems to making it's appearance on these Flynn threads.

Posted by: small town girl at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (QJhCu)

93 I support the rights of landlords to ban smoking on their property.

After all it's their property and smoking often lowers the value. (Although, as it goes, really only banning it inside makes sense.)

Indeed, I think smoking was against the rules in my townhome (I smoked my pipe on the patio.)

What DeBlasio is doing is stupid as shit. Leave it up to the landlords.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (s92xH)

94 This creeping totalitarianism makes it less likely that I'll quit smoking. I KNOW it's unhealthy. But we smokers have been the canaries in the coal mine of Otherization for years now, and. screw .'em.

Posted by: LadyS at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (xYNhJ)

95 I quit smoking about 10 years ago after I had a heart attack and I am glad I did. As for DeCommio joining forces with the smoking Nazis Ave you were the first one I thought of when I saw this early this morning.


One of my major caveats for being a conservative is to just be left alone. Don't mess with me and I will not mess with you. Everyone should have the freedom to do anything they want as long as it does not infringe on anyone else. As for secondhand smoke effecting the health of other people that is pretty much complete utter BS.


The government study was so bad (EPA anyone?) that when sued by one of the tobacco companies the judge actually threw them out of court. The worse thing about secondhand smoke is if you don't smoke you hate it. But there is absolutely zero reason for banning smoking in outdoor areas. But entire towns are doing that now as the Nazis continue their crusade. Give them an inch and next they will ask for a mile.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 30, 2015 02:23 PM (GpgJl)

96 I don't hate this news.

For all intents and purposes, there are a lot of benefits for landlords and home-renters to make their buildings non-smoking, even beyond health. Their building will be more marketable, especially for those who don't smoke or maybe have kids with asthma or things like that. Financially, it's smart, because you don't have to go through the headache of changing carpet, fumigating, re-painting to try to get rid of the smoke smell (even if their deposit may cover it)

And, I like that this isn't technically a law. They are letting the free market handle it. Now, yeah, maybe they are going to provide incentives to those who go fully non-smoking. But, they aren't making it a legally binding requirement. If people want to let their building be smoking, they can. If they want to make it strictly non-smoking they can. If people choose to give their rent dollars to whatever building they want, they can. I like that the free market principles are still there.


Posted by: TickledPink at June 30, 2015 02:23 PM (RLFFI)

97 The "Dutch" system sounds awfully like the "Voucher system", does it not? Which has a lot to recommend it, and if it can be sold to the LIVs by giving it a sexy name, then go for it.


Aside: Damn, it is smoky here today. Can't see 3 miles, so much smoke in the air from forest fires burning in Northern Alberta. Can smell it, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 02:23 PM (lojDy)

98 with the number one state of origin being New Hampshire.

Did they send cops on stings to NH like they did the VA on guns?

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2015 02:23 PM (ztOda)

99 Chantix FTW.

Damn miracle drug.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 30, 2015 02:23 PM (fWAjv)

100 I have nothing to offer but regulations, lower standards of living, crime, and dead groundhogs.

Posted by: Bill DeBlasio at June 30, 2015 02:24 PM (HhHk8)

101 There's no person more obnoxious as a reformed smoker. They're worse than leftists.
Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (P25Hh)

Oh god no kidding.

My aunt was a 3-pack a day smoker for 40 years. She quit for 6 months and was in everyones face about cigarettes. Beyond obnoxious.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:24 PM (AkOaV)

102 I used to be a two-pack a day smoker, back in my late teens/early 20s. Over the years that's dwindled down to one cigarette while on the way to work in the morning.

I had this conversation with the doc a few years ago:

Doc: Do you smoke?

Me: Yeah.

Doc: How much?

Me: One, maybe two a day at most.

Doc: Packs!!???

Me: No, cigarettes. A pack usually lasts about two weeks.

Doc: Why do you even bother? Oh well, at that low of a rate, it's no worse for you than big city smog.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 02:24 PM (nL0sw)

103 I favor the Dutch Oven option for TEA Partiers in the GOP.

Posted by: chris christie at June 30, 2015 02:24 PM (kivUY)

104 New Yorkers may soon not be able to smoke in their own homes, if Democratic New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio gets his way.

Disclaimer: I like to smoke. I enjoy a good cigar or a pipe. It's relaxing.

That being said, fuck New York. They wanted this Commie asshole for mayor, then let them get it good and hard.

A second caveat: of course, this measure isn't really going to hurt any of DeBastardo's progressive pals, who probably don't smoke, anyway. But it will take yet another freedom and (which really juices Da Mayor) another pleasure away from those goddamn, sweaty, stinking, ignorant proles - the ones who actually make DeBlasio's shithole of a city work.

But again, I say fuck New York. With the full expectation that the Massholes in our own legislature will try to do this as well.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2015 02:24 PM (zF6Iw)

105 Hey Ace, just do what I do. I tell people that I'm in shape, with the caveat that round is a shape.

My doctor told me to watch my waistline.

Now I have it out there so I can see it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:24 PM (eEb+d)

106 I favor the French model.

Laetitia Casta?

Posted by: not Eva Green at June 30, 2015 02:24 PM (ZtFr+)

107 Did they send cops on stings to NH like they did the VA on guns?
Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2015 02:23 PM (ztOda)

No, but in NH they're dicks if you want to buy "too many" cigarettes.

Oh, and they've also been slowly raising the cigarette taxes. Still $5 a pack cheaper than NYC though.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:25 PM (AkOaV)

108 In Nazi Germany, you were always free to do the "right" thing (as defined by the government) of supporting the Party and hating the Jews.

... and not smoking. Hitler was a rabid anti-smoker ... just as his leftist kinfolk of today are.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2015 02:25 PM (MYSVz)

109
Flynn has been previously married??!!!!!1!!!!

OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!11

Vapors...faints....

Posted by: Mrs. Ace of Spades with a Wang! at June 30, 2015 02:25 PM (iQIUe)

110 "Essentially," the D.H.C. concluded, "bokanovskification consists of a series of arrests of development. We check the normal growth and, paradoxically enough, the egg responds by budding."

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:25 PM (MgFMj)

111 48 How can anyone be against a Flat Tax?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (eEb+d)


BB, I present you with a list of the thousands of tax attorneys in the country. After that is a list of all the tax accountants, H ampersand R Block employees and stock holders, Jackson-Hewett employees and stock holders, and..... er... all the affiliated businesses, landlords, etc., etc., etc.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at June 30, 2015 02:25 PM (4CBaM)

112 As for school choice checks we have already had that, even in DC. The Dems killed it in DC even though it was overwhelming popular among blacks with children. So why do the Dems hate it so much?


Again its a simple reason. They are paying off the unions for political support and bribes. In this case the teacher's unions. And why do the teachers unions hate it? Most private schools and religious schools are non-union.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 30, 2015 02:25 PM (GpgJl)

113
99 Chantix FTW.

Chantix turned my wife into Dr. Jekyll and Everybody Hyde.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (jsWA8)

114 I do, however, still dip. But no one ever died from second hand dip spit. And I vape if I'm drinking, because otherwise I'd be a smokestack.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (nL0sw)

115 if you're worried about gaining weight when you quit smoking, start exercising and dieting as you quit.



I know that sounds crazy, like three terrible things at once, but in
fact once you're doing one terrible thing, it's good to have the
distraction of the others.



virtuous cycles reinforce each other, as do vicious ones.



besides, the stopping-smoking weight can be shed in a month.





Posted by: ace at June 30, 2015 02:19 PM (bhepQ)


The weight gain is a direct result of replacing your tobacco habit with food. If you know that going in, you can find those healthier alternatives. Just finish a meal (like 2 ribeyes)? Fine... DON'T light up a cig, and DON'T go for that bag of chips/donuts. Chew some sugarless gum, a piece of hard candy... grab a toothpick or whatever else you need, but DON'T grab more food.


Eventually your bad habits will be good habits. We're human. Our brains can be trained. Just train it right.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (TOk1P)

116 We don't like smoking, so this is totes constitutional.

Posted by: Liberal SCOTUS majority at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (0rBjN)

117 And right on cue, Rush talking about DeCommio's inside the house smoking ban.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (nL0sw)

118 Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (9ZZd+)

When was the last time you were in Peoria?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (s92xH)

119 This is schedule 1 criteria:

The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

So why isn't tobacco schedule 1?

Posted by: SFGoth at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (zxU1l)

120 Are there home school cooperatives where rotating parents work with small groups of students? That would seem to be a method. We all have different talents.

Yes, actually.

In TX, its ridiculously easy - I don't know about other states. Basically, each parent agrees to teach a given subject (or set of subjects). Because Texas does not regulate home schools, it's really just up to the parents to do whatever they want to do.

Strictly speaking, you don't even have to teach your kid anything- though if the State ever has official reason to ask, they can, and can force you to put your kid back in public school or an accredited private school.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (kff5f)

121 OK, but what about if you're smoking POT in your home?

Presumably that is perfectly OK with the left-fascists, because pot is Cool and Tobacco is Uncool.

Let's sweep away the lies and just say it out loud:

90% of the left's attempts at social control are simply attempt to outlaw behaviors they perceived as favoed or engaged in by 'traditional" "conservative" "old-school" "white" etc. people.

Thus, a liberal can simulataneously demand that cigarettes be outlawed but marijuana be legalized.

Why? Because (in their conception of social reality) marijuana is a leftist intoxicant favored by the "counter-culture" while nicotine is a right-wing intoxicant favored by the "dominant culture."

"The Man" smokes cigars. "The Rebels" smoke weed.

That's all there is to it. THey want to subvert the social order.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "public health," nor even with wanting to create a totalitarian society. (They probably don't even realize they are totalitarians.)

All they want to do is flip the social roles of old fogeys vs. hippies -- put the hippies in charge. Because -- heh heh heh -- they would be so funny and just blow everyone's mind, dude!

Same is true for most of the crap the Left pulls and explains their relentless hypocricy.

Ban Christianity -- but encourage Islam. Why? Because old white conservatives are Christian. That's all.

Promote homosexuality but make college sex practically illegal in all manifestations. Why? Because traditional conservatives are straight.

Etc. etc. etc.

It's absolute juvenile revenge fantasy, leftover from the '60s. That's all it is. The younger generation of activist are automatons acting out the revenge fantasies of their professors.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (jBuUi)

122 "No HOA" is one of the things I am looking for in our next home.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (O7MnT)


Once you go free, you never go back.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (kff5f)

123 ... and not smoking. Hitler was a rabid anti-smoker ... just as his leftist kinfolk of today are.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2015 02:25 PM (MYSVz)

Yep. One of the first things he did was make his soldiers quit smoking.

Of course, many didn't. But the original "stand in the cold like an asshole and look over your shoulder" smoking situation was in Nazi Germany.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (AkOaV)

124 Now, if this were to become law, I would be 100% against it.

But, to incentivize non-smoking dwellings doesn't really take away freedoms, and doesn't bother me.

Landlords are free to make their buildings non-smoking or not. Renters are free to live in a non-smoking building or move somewhere where they can smoke.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (RLFFI)

125 99 Chantix FTW.

Damn miracle drug.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 30, 2015 02:23 PM (fWAjv)


Agreed.

Went from two packs a day to not wanting a cigarette in two days. That been about 4 or 5 years ago.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (9ZZd+)

126 I do, however, still dip. But no one ever died from
second hand dip spit. And I vape if I'm drinking, because otherwise
I'd be a smokestack.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 02:26 PM (nL0sw)


It is unlikely anyone actually died from second hand smoke either, but you know, science says otherwise, and science is never wrong... except when it serves somebody's social/political agenda.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (TOk1P)

127 State Guvs can't survive without smokers now... ain't that some fuggin irony?
That's why states/provinces and cities want to treat e-cigs the same way real tobacco products are treated and taxed.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (kivUY)


The irony, it burns. The various levels of government all urge us to quit smoking, for the sake of our health, and place ruinous taxes on tobacco products to discourage smoking; and when tobacco users adopt alternative, and probably healthier, means of absorbing nicotine, then attempt to apply the same ruinous taxes to vaping appliances because they are seeing lost tax revenue.


It's getting to the point that tobacco smuggling will become a patriotic duty for the Right.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (lojDy)

128 Who cares what the they want to do in New Yawk City?
If your not wealthy the place is a toilet. New Yawk bans this, New Yawk
bans that. How about we ban New Yawk? If your living there your either
too stupid, or too lazy or too greedy to move. Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 30, 2015 02:20 PM (D0NZx)
We are all downstream from the idiot laws they pass in CA and NY; that crap flows into the greater culture and infests the rest of the country.CA legislature passed, and Brown is likely to sign, a new law requiring all parents to vaccinate their kids going to public school, no religious or personal exceptions, none. Think that is not going to affect other states?Though I will admit, I'm sure they did it to stick it to the religious ppl, but the hippie lefty parents are the ones screaming the loudest against the govmint intrusion, lol. Suck on that hipsters! You get what you vote for.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:29 PM (hvf9s)

129
There's no person more obnoxious as a reformed smoker. They're worse than leftists.
Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 02:22 PM (P25Hh)

_______

Some reformed smokers. I don't go around telling smokers they're evil people or anything. But the smell of cigarette makes me nauseous. And still I think banning smoking one one's own property is 1000% wrong.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:29 PM (0LHZx)

130 They've arrested 20 people in connection with that asshole in Tunisia.

Posted by: Mrs. Ace of Spades with a Wang! at June 30, 2015 02:29 PM (iQIUe)

131 Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (jBuUi)

Right.

And guns.

They have no problem with their security staff carrying guns.

They just don't like the "white rednecks" so they want to ban guns because fuck 'em.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)

132 In case anyone is wondering, banning things and burning books and flags is the new look of liberalism. Full liberalism, not totalitarian fascism. Not at all.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at June 30, 2015 02:29 PM (TV9BR)

133 By the way, lefties, your European Betters(TM) are nearly all smokers.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (MgFMj)

134 Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (jBuUi)

Remember Seattle basically banned smoking, but forgot to include blunts. Hilarity ensued. (Pot smoke seems to stay smelly for much farther distance than cigarette smoke.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (s92xH)

135 Over 100 so OT: NYT explains why they published picture of Pope made from condoms but not picture of Mohammad. the picture of Mohammad was "hate based" and the picture of the Pope was not.

Who among us has not said, "Boy, I wish there was a picture of me made out of condoms?" And Piss Christ and Dung Mary must also have been not hate based.

I interpret this to mean they'd hate to get Charlie Hebdoed.

See WZ.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (XUKZU)

136 Kalashnikov USA announced on Tuesday that it is now selling AK-47 manufacture in the USA.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (kQBSd)

137 BB, I present you with a list of the thousands of tax attorneys in the country. After that is a list of all the tax accountants, H ampersand R Block employees and stock holders, Jackson-Hewett employees and stock holders, and..... er... all the affiliated businesses, landlords, etc., etc., etc.

I meant normal people.

Besides, if I can lose my livelihood/career thanks to one piece of legislation, why shouldn't someone else?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (eEb+d)

138 >>>not to get ahead of ourselves but I am quite serious when I say he could be a game-changer. I could see higher office.

In Illinois? I'll believe it when I see it. Anyway, he needs to get to the House first, regardless.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO Scum at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (ewYO6)

139 Has JWest been by to say told you so on his 25,000 voucher plan?

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (Q4pU/)

140 If you like him so much why don't you marry him? You know you can now.

Posted by: alex at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (r17bn)

141 There's no person more obnoxious as a reformed smoker. They're worse than leftists.

The potheads who want to ban alcohol and tobacco (and sugar and salt and meat...) are starting to get pretty close, though.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (ZKzrr)

142 As far as skool choice is concerned, I stopped giving a fuck. Those programs almost always benefit minority groups. The same minority groups that vote 80-95% Democrat. If they insist on voting for people who want to keep their kids uneducated, fuck 'em, I'm not going to kill myself trying to help them.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (0LHZx)

143 I'm starting to get the impression that ace is a fan of this Mike Flynn fellow.

Posted by: joe dirt at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (34w2E)

144 Landlords are free to make their buildings non-smoking or not. Renters are free to live in a non-smoking building or move somewhere where they can smoke.
Posted by: TickledPink at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (RLFFI)

Okay, how about cooking with curry and other "offensive" smelling spices?

Would it be okay for a landlord to ban that in all of their properties?
...And for every other landlord in town to do the same?

Essentially telling potential Indian tenants that they cannot cook with their preferred spices if they want to live in any rental property in town?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (AkOaV)

145 "Cigarettes are an unique EVIL (tm) that are so horrible that we MUST ban you from smoking in the inner sanctum of your homes!!!!!!!!"

"But, the sweet, sweet tax revenues the government collects from the sale of each pack of cigarettes is revenue we JUST CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT, so you can go ahead and smoke other places, you know?"

"And if you die 20 years early because of a smoking-related illness, well, that just means the Glorious Collective won't have to foot the bill for your useless years over 50."

"Short version: FUCK YOU, Prole."

Posted by: Sharkman, channeling DeBlasio at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (72D6h)

146 BB, I present you with a list of the thousands of tax attorneys in the country. After that is a list of all the tax accountants, H ampersand R Block employees and stock holders, Jackson-Hewett employees and stock holders, and..... er... all the affiliated businesses, landlords, etc., etc., etc.



Now they'll be free to pursue poetry and art.
-N. Pelosi

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (XVWwL)

147 I HATE the ongoing harassment of smokers (note: I have never smoked). It is the ultimate nanny-statism, soon to be replaced w/micro-management of food consumption.

Fun Fact: Here in CO there is a state legislator working on a bill to legalize pot-smoking in restaurants and public places. You know, all the places these same tools worked so hard to outlaw tobacco smoking.

*head-slap*

I really hate these people.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (NOIQH)

148 Bill de Blasio despises me? Huh--I'm pretty sure I despised him first (or is it "fist" now?).

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:32 PM (VAsIq)

149 Landlords are free to make their buildings non-smoking or not. Renters are free to live in a non-smoking building or move somewhere where they can smoke.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (RLFFI)


It's cute that you think NY would actually allow a building to cater to smokers.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2015 02:32 PM (zF6Iw)

150 Mom: Johnny is that tobacco I smell in your bedroom?

Johnny: No, mom, it's pot. I swear.

Mom: Well, OK then but don't let me catch you with any tobacco.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 02:32 PM (XUKZU)

151 "But the smell of cigarette makes me nauseous."

I think you mean nauseated. If you say you're "nauseous," you mean you make others nauseated.

Just trying to be as helpful as I can, Moo, because I know better.

Feel better now?

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:32 PM (MgFMj)

152 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (kff5f

If only. I'm lucky mine is basically on autopilot.

Rules around here basically mandate enough common ground that you need an HOA to manage it. (And when ours was put in place they also handled road repair.)

There's some movement here to reduce the power of ours even more by basically stripping it of anything but control over the common ground.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at June 30, 2015 02:32 PM (s92xH)

153 I think you mean nauseated. If you say you're "nauseous," you mean you make others nauseated.

Just trying to be as helpful as I can, Moo, because I know better.

Feel better now?
Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:32 PM (MgFMj)

_________

Whatever. I hate the smell.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (0LHZx)

154 Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (jBuUi)


-----------------------------------------


Wow, zombie. You've hit it out of the park. Head of nail = hit.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (P25Hh)

155 "Heh. Stupid media. They used the word 'Democratic' to describe me."

Posted by: Sharkman, channeling DeBlasio at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (72D6h)

156 This blog is killing Safari. Some black ad box won't load. Safari goes tits up if you refresh, click a link or go to another favorite.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (Pr1dy)

157 Okay, first, ignore the Dedicated Tenther - don't come to Texas. It's too hot here for you. To quote Sir Charles Barkley, "the heat is turrible there, just turrible."

Having said that, I love cigars. Haven't had one since, oh, last night about 7:30. Which reminds me, I have a 10 year old (no pedophile snark, please) Partagas in my humidor...calling my name.

Coming, you sweet little bundle of joy!

Posted by: Ramon from Texas at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (hRytD)

158
Hello Ace,

I really like Flynn's concise and inspiring summation of the conservative philosophy on governance. I especially like his references to the divine.

I would like to point out Christ's explicit take on governance:
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Incidentally, this is why so many Christians have (or should have) serious objections to the Catholic church's ignorant insistence that it is in the spirit of Christian charity to support a government using taxpayer dollars to dole out welfare benefits to poor people.
It. Most. Certainly. Is. NOT.

Charity comes from the heart of the individual. Not from a government mandate funded by tax collection which is always backed up by the force of guns.



Posted by: _Dave_ at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (l2dSQ)

159 Can the Fap Police be far behind?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (n3Sbm)

160 It's getting to the point that tobacco smuggling will become a patriotic duty for the Right.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (lojDy)

Very popular pass time along the Niagara River I'm told.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (kQBSd)

161 How can anyone be against a Flat Tax?

Especially when wedded to a Balanced Budget law that mandates jail time for anyone who dares even suggest spending one cent more, as I've been advocating for years now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (eEb+d)

Wut?

Posted by: Twiggy at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (lojDy)

162 Okay, how about cooking with curry and other "offensive" smelling spices?

Would it be okay for a landlord to ban that in all of their properties?
...And for every other landlord in town to do the same?

Essentially telling potential Indian tenants that they cannot cook with their preferred spices if they want to live in any rental property in town?

Posted by: mynewhandle

Hmmm....as someone who lived next to Indians who made curry thrice daily, I'm tempted to get on board this nanny-statism....

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (VAsIq)

163 Can someone explain further how the Dutch system works and how it is a conservative idea? I mean, the government is cutting checks to every parent? Are public schools obsolete? What's the deal? I'm a little confused by this...

Posted by: planeman at June 30, 2015 02:34 PM (T5o9s)

164 soon to be replaced w/micro-management of food consumption.


Soon?
http://is.gd/rJJWBt

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 30, 2015 02:34 PM (ZKzrr)

165 How can anyone be against a Flat Tax?

----

AKA the "Rachel Corrie Tax Initiative"

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:34 PM (VAsIq)

166 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (eEb+d)

Flat tax?

Because 50% of the country pays no income tax, and the majority of that 50% receive a PAY OUT on tax day.

So you're telling that 50% "hey, guys, we want to shut the gravy train off and make you actually PAY taxes." and they're saying "oooooh. Nah. Would rather get paid $10,000 in earned income tax credits every tax day. Thanks though!"

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (AkOaV)

167 "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Notice who does the rendering. What happens when Caesar takes everything and leaves you with nothing left to give to God?

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (MgFMj)

168 This article is priceless coming from a party that wants to tell women what to do with their bodies, who can marry and wants to lock up pot users.

Just be honest neither party believes in freedom. They both want control.

Posted by: Get Real at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (2VLfQ)

169 Can the Fap Police be far behind?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (n3Sbm)



You'll be required to wear both a condom and a face shield. For safety, of course. And to prevent hand babies.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (nL0sw)

170 Fun Fact: Here in CO there is a state legislator working on a bill to legalize pot-smoking in restaurants and public places. You know, all the places these same tools worked so hard to outlaw tobacco smoking.

*head-slap*

I really hate these people.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (NOIQH)


Not just tobacco smoking but the same douchebags work to ban e-cigs anywhere they can, too ... because they "look" like cigarettes.

Anti-smokers don't hate cigarette smoking; they hate cigarette smokers. ... because they hate their fathers.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (MYSVz)

171 I started smoking in Army boot camp decades ago because I had a babyface and didn't then have to shave yet (does your mother know your here?) and wanted to look older, more mature, so I took up cigarettes and ended up looking like a kid who stole smokes from his mother's purse. *sigh*

I still smoke about 10-15 cigarettes a day--which is grimlyironic because I work out extensively, running 3-5 miles per day, going to the gym 4-5 nights per week, practicing boxing and saber fencing and tai chi...

Get this: I don't even particularly like the act of smoking. Habit aside--and habits can be broken--I think I still do it largely because smoking feels like an act of defiance, a refusal to conform or submit. And yeah, it'll probably be the thing that kills me, all things being equal--but what? You wanna live forever?

Posted by: troyriser at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (S08gh)

172 111 48 How can anyone be against a Flat Tax?


A flat tax is simpler and better than what we have, however, it's still a problem.

The Fair Tax changes the system. It makes the U.S. a tax haven where capital and manufacturing would flock. It brings back constitutional guarantee of privacy in your papers by insuring that the federal government has no business knowing what you do for a living or how much you make doing it.

Flat tax simplifies the mess we have. Fair Tax makes the country an economic dynamo.

If you're going to change, change.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (9ZZd+)

173 Flatulence Enforcement Liaison Officer.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (n3Sbm)

174 "Can someone explain further how the Dutch system works..."

----

You fart and trap the fart and someone else under a blanket, IIRC.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (VAsIq)

175 @144

If you are asking me....then yes. If I own the property, it is my building, it is my business, I should be able to make whatever rules I want. If people don't want to abide by my rules, they don't have to live there.

@149

I am with you. And, I don't think it will be so innocent. I was just saying IF it stays at incentives for non-smoking buildings, I am okay with that. Now, if they start strong-arming people who don't comply, as I expect will happen, then I am jumping ship.


Posted by: TickledPink at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (RLFFI)

176 Smoke a pipe. Non-smokers *love* the smell.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (MgFMj)

177 Can the Fap Police be far behind?

-
It's not the fapping itself, per se, but you'd better be thinking about a same sex partner or an animal.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (XUKZU)

178 The potheads who want to ban alcohol and tobacco (and sugar and salt and meat...) are starting to get pretty close, though.


Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 30, 2015 02:31 PM (ZKzrr)


I must say, I don't really care for anyone telling me how to live my life in ANY way, but generally I don't get upset about it, unless I'm already feeling awfully insecure in my habits.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (TOk1P)

179 Remember Seattle basically banned smoking, but
forgot to include blunts. Hilarity ensued. (Pot smoke seems to stay
smelly for much farther distance than cigarette smoke. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at June 30, 2015 02:30 PM (s92xH)

Hahaha. Forget the right; lefties are their own worst enemy half the time.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (hvf9s)

180 I favor the French model.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2015 02:06 PM (8ZskC)

You're welcome:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/Jennifer-Lamiraqui-French

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (72D6h)

181 DeBlasio is now that pussy leader of San Angeles from "Demolition Man"; he knows better than everyone and will make damn sure the government enforces that.

Will NYC try and ban all vices? It doesn't seem interested in doing anything about violent crime, so I guess people's bad habits are next.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (osx1V)

182 They tax flat chested women?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (n3Sbm)

183 Hmmm....as someone who lived next to Indians who made curry thrice daily, I'm tempted to get on board this nanny-statism....
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:33 PM (VAsIq)

Right. It's a legit example. I found myself in that situation.

And what I don't get is why it's suddenly cool to make a big deal out of "YOU CANT SMOKE IN / NEAR/ WITHIN THE VICINITY OF YOUR APARTMENT, EVEN ON A BALCONY BECAUSE IT COULD OFFEND SOMEONE" but it's horrible and racist to say "No curry within a mile of me. It smells fucking awful."

And I guarantee a court would force the landlord to change that policy.

So why is tobacco any different than curry?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)

184 166 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:13 PM (eEb+d)

Flat tax?

Because 50% of the country pays no income tax, and the majority of that 50% receive a PAY OUT on tax day.

So you're telling that 50% "hey, guys, we want to shut the gravy train off and make you actually PAY taxes." and they're saying "oooooh. Nah. Would rather get paid $10,000 in earned income tax credits every tax day. Thanks though!"
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (AkOaV)

_________

It's worse than that.

50% pays nothing.
25% pays a wee little bit
20% pays a lot
5% pays a fuck ton of a lot

Which is why a flat tax will never see the light of day.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:37 PM (0LHZx)

185 Can't tell you how much I'd love to get some of my property taxes back. As homeschoolers we pay into the public school system via property taxes, fork out our own $$$ for books, curriculum and other supplies for our own kids, and then get the shit looks and comments from public school a employees and advocates about how we're somehow stealing from the community by using what's left of our time and income after they've got their cut, to teach our own kids.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 30, 2015 02:37 PM (KkVB6)

186 Notice who does the rendering. What happens when Caesar takes everything and leaves you with nothing left to give to God?
Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (MgFMj)
-----------------------------------------
In a Republic, we are ultimately supposed to be Caeser. Barry and the gang are the menial scum that do the jobs no one else wants to do, but unfortunately must be done. They are our servants.

Posted by: Bill DiBlasio at June 30, 2015 02:37 PM (6qR/9)

187 @142
It is due to people like you why minorities vote for Democrats. If someone hates you would you vote for them?

Posted by: Get Real at June 30, 2015 02:37 PM (2VLfQ)

188 Just sent Flynn money.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (fwARV)

189 What happens to all those crack houses?

Posted by: gracepc at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (DMQhB)

190 And guns.

They have no problem with their security staff carrying guns.

They just don't like the "white rednecks" so they want to ban guns because fuck 'em.
Posted by: mynewhandle


Yep.

Almost every realm of social control pressed by the lefties can and should be seen through this lens.

A good example here in the SF Bay Area.

Just south of SF is a golf course called "Sharp Park."

On this golf course there lives some endangered frog and snake species.

In fact, these species survived BECAUSE the golf course was built nearly a century ago, and it preserved a huge open space, while all the surrounding areas were filled with houses and development, killing whatever native species were once there.

But for the last 20 years the left has been on a crusade to get the golf course shut down, "to save the frogs," based on the obvious lie that the golf course is a danger to the frogs (lawnmowers, fertilizer for the greens, etc.), even though history has shown that the frogs thrive living on the golf course.

The "environmentalists" want to shut down the golf course and turn the area into a nature preserve totally off-limits to humans, to "protect" the frogs and snakes, they claim.

But in truth, they simply hate golf as a concept because they perceive golf as a "old white man"'s sport.

The rare frogs are just an excuse to destroy the cultural artifact enjoyed by "old white men," who are The Enemy.

(Of course, the fact that over 50% of the golfer on that course are Asian is lost on the leftists.)

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (jBuUi)

191 Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (9ZZd+

Cost of everything goes up by 23% and it's regressive much less flat.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (Q4pU/)

192 so deblasio wants to put you in a rapecage for smoking one type of weed and a lot people here who are the complete opposite of deblasio want to put people in a rapecage for smoking another type of weed.

Posted by: X at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (xGNLA)

193 How can anyone be against a Flat Tax?



Conservatives and proggs hate it for the same reason: No social engineering. Single women who do not whelp bastards are not punished with confiscatory rates...successful couples are not punished with confiscatory rates...men married to women who generate no income but have a lot of kids who need a lot of Dutch system school checks are not rewarded with smaller rates...

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (ZKzrr)

194 Excuse me, but while I don't defend all the Catholic Church's "social justice" agenda, you might want to look into the Lutherans, Southern Baptists,etc., as well. The Catholic Church hardly stands alone.

Posted by: LadyS at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (xYNhJ)

195 You get what you vote for. Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:29 PM

In my case -- I'll bet I'm with the majority here -- I got what somebody else voted for.

So far, I have never voted for a Democrat as a revenge tool. Not even when Rash Fatblob was exhorting everyone to mess with Choom Boy by voting for Shrillery Klintoon in '08. I have never voted for or against a national, state or local issue just because of the people who were pushing it.

In short, I have tried to be an educated voter. Fat lot o' good it has done me, or anyone.

But I tried. I take no responsibility for the collapse of our system that is being engineered in D.C. None of those people have ever had my support. And never will.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (P8YHq)

196 @184
The rich support the Democrats.

Posted by: Get Real at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (2VLfQ)

197 160 It's getting to the point that tobacco smuggling will become a patriotic duty for the Right.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 02:28 PM (lojDy)


I've been doing MYO cigarettes for years, now. It's labeled "pipe" tobacco so instead of tax of $25/lb, it's only something like $1.50/lb. And the only difference that makes it "pipe" tobacco is the length of the cut. ... And the time it takes to make the cigarettes.

Great tasting cigarettes (better than any commercial cigarettes, to my taste) and at a cost of less than 80 cents/pack. Totally legal. I've got an 8 year supply (and have to buy a bit more because I know they're going to stop this pretty soon).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (MYSVz)

198 But, to incentivize non-smoking dwellings doesn't really take away freedoms, and doesn't bother me.

Yes, it does.
It should.

To give incentives for behavior makes the playing field uneven. Also, from where are these incentives going to come? (Hint: the word begins with "T" and ends with "axes.")

So you're giving the taxpayer's money to one set of landlords, based on a decision you want them to make. Exactly how many landlords (who mostly don't live in their own apartment buildings) are going to say "nah, I'm good," to that sweet, sweet cash? I'm going with "approximately zero."

Which then reduces service offerings (that is: buildings that allow smoking) to near zero. Especially in a city like New York where most people live in apartments, or rent rooms in houses, it becomes (for all practical purposes) a virtual ban on smokers living in the city.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (kff5f)

199 "So why is tobacco any different than curry?"

Phillip Morris has something against fenugreek.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (MgFMj)

200 Posted by: X at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (xGNLA)

Ah your such a victim you should ask for reparations.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (Q4pU/)

201 Twiggy is dead?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (eEb+d)

202 So why is tobacco any different than curry?

Posted by: mynewhandle

Because of fourth-hand smoke that causes spontaneous combustion of your children's eyeballs, of course. Cigarettes are magical murder machines. Curry just smells like spicy ass.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (VAsIq)

203 Once you go free, you never go back.


Who needs an HOA if you have city zoning nazis?
You can't fight city hall. (Well, not easily)

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (XVWwL)

204 >>> "Can someone explain further how the Dutch system works..."

You pass the Dutchie on the left hand side...

Posted by: Musical Youth at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (hvf9s)

205 Posted by: TickledPink at June 30, 2015 02:36 PM (RLFFI)

Okay, but you can't discriminate in housing based on a long list of things, one of which is national origins.

So you'd most likely end up losing and owing damages if you banned curry-cooking in your rental units.

Now, I err on the side of letting the property owners make their own rules.

BUT the thing is -- they really can't. State law limits them so much in what they can and cannot do... it just kind of pisses me off that "NO SMOKERS" (not even no smokING, but no smokERS) is allowed in every real estate posting EVER, but if someone were to say "NO CURRY COOKING" that's verboten.

But I get it -- people like to have a target to beat up on and smokers are one of the few targets you can still beat up on without getting attacked by the PC police.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)

206 The Warren Buffet Total Worth Tax should be enacted on Billionaires.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:40 PM (n3Sbm)

207 @194
This website is anti Catholic.

Posted by: Get Real at June 30, 2015 02:40 PM (2VLfQ)

208 primordial

what are you using? burley?

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:40 PM (MgFMj)

209 Freedom is freedom. It should be his right to smoke in his own freaking home. What is next, banning pets? Trans fats? There is always a next with HOAs, they are a conglomerate of busybodies that never rest.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:18 PM (hvf9s)


Um. San Francisco already banned the selling and purchasing of certain pets (goldfish, guinea pigs, et al.) because 'some people buy them without realize how much responsibility they are.'

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 02:40 PM (fwARV)

210 Clove cigarettes are worse than curry. I guess curry cigarettes might kill on contact.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 30, 2015 02:40 PM (Pr1dy)

211 Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (jBuUi)

____________

Golf courses are closing all over the place. The lefties will get their wish sooner or later. Golf is a dying sport. I used to be an avid golfer and now if I get out 5 times a summer it's a lot.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:41 PM (0LHZx)

212 Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (VAsIq)

Yeah. Shoddy science to make up peoples own personally feelings on the smell of tobacco. Go figure.

Kind of like the "ozone depleting jet skis" from back in the day. Turns out some guy on Marthas Vineyard who happened to own a newspaper was just pissed that he'd have to see / hear jetskis in the ocean outside of his house all of the time.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:41 PM (AkOaV)

213 Flynn: "I've said it before, and it amazes me, but we are selling freedom. And if we can't sell freedom, we do indeed suck."
________

I've said this before, and I suck for saying again, but here goes:

Communism (or whatever people are calling it these days) inspires people, both in what is ostensibly offers and in what it really offers.

The international brotherhood of man, where workers own the means of their production and the products of their labor, is visionary. Agree or disagree with the vision; it's still a vision. Telling a person to figure out what's best for themselves, on the other hand, is telling people to exert actual effort and is thereby a harder sell.

But what's behind communism - the prospect of my telling you what to do and having the muscle to back up my wishes - can be too attractive to resist. So can accept an opinion about smoking, recycling, Rebel flags or anything else and impose it on you. In short, I get to rule you without myself or putting in any effort at all.

Conservatism as Flynn sees it is wonderful for functional, mature people. But how many of us are so solidly functional and mature as to buy what Flynn and the rest of you are selling?

Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 02:41 PM (tw4zl)

214 Since Indian Food smells like Peppered Roasted $hit does it also taste the same?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:41 PM (n3Sbm)

215 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:39 PM (kff5f)

And, Allen, more than that -- you're forcing tobacco using tax payers to PAY to be discriminated against in housing via their taxes.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)

216
Stop smoking or he'll publically murder your groundhog.


Promise? Because that's probably cheaper than calling VarmintGuard to get rid of the little shits.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at June 30, 2015 02:12 PM (P/aDH)








Closer to the truth than you know. Because ALL Government action comes down to men with guns forcing you to do something.

Smoke in your own home.

Department of Tobacco, Nannies and Health cites you multiple times.

Eventually, DTH declares you a habitual offender and charges you with aggravated assault against your neighbors via second hand smoke.

Armed police knock on your door to take you away for arraignment.

Fuck you, come and get me, pigs.

SWAT conducts armed entry, shooting you and your dog and burning down your house through overzealous use of flashbangs.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 02:42 PM (vXKGT)

217 Posted by: Get Real at June 30, 2015 02:35 PM (2VLfQ)

Heh....aside from missing the fact that there are very few Republicans around here, and mischaracterizing pretty much everything else....you are correct.

We don't care what women do with their bodies....they just shouldn't be able to kill babies under the guise of "choice."

Nobody around here wants to lock up pot smokers.

Keep plugging away though...eventually you will get it right.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 30, 2015 02:42 PM (Zu3d9)

218 I'm mystified why guys with names like "De Blasio" and "Cuomo" are such nannystate micromanagers. Where's the style? Where's Dean Martin when you need him?

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:42 PM (MgFMj)

219 Wow, zombie. You've hit it out of the park. Head of nail = hit.

Posted by: Soona


So, I hit the head of the nail out of the park? Good eyesight, my man.

But seriously, yeah, I've really thought about this a lot. I call it the "Freak Out the Squares" Theorem.

Everything is done for the sole purpose of Freaking Out the Squares.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:42 PM (jBuUi)

220 ...because 'some people buy them without realize how much responsibility they are.'
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 30, 2015 02:40 PM (fwARV)
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The ending is surprisingly pleasant considering SF!

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2015 02:43 PM (NUqwG)

221 "Can someone explain further how the Dutch system works..."

The Dutch Rudder?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 30, 2015 02:43 PM (NjiZL)

222 The "Dutch model" here comes from Flanders, the Dutch half of Belgium. Wallonia, the French half uses a different one, and apparently gets worse results. I remember reading about it in John Stossel's book Myth's, Lies, and Downright Stupidity several years ago, and it stuck with me because I thought it was wonderful idea and I'm quite pleased at least one politician in this country thinks so, too.

Posted by: Nue Houjuu at June 30, 2015 02:43 PM (0d7v8)

223 "What are you doing, Jian Yang! This is New York! These people are fanatics about smoking. We don't enjoy all of the freedoms that you have in China."

Posted by: Paul at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (egEWw)

224


Maybe Flynn could skip the whole Congress run thing, and proxy for Huckabee or Jeb! in the POTUS debates.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (qCMvj)

225 Since Indian Food smells like Peppered Roasted $hit does it also taste the same?


Posted by: Boss Moss

I can be quite tasty (but it hurts on the way out).

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (VAsIq)

226 (2VLfQ)

Hector has changed proxies again.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (kff5f)

227 a virtual ban on smokers living in the city.

No, the smokers will stay. It just gives the city another reason to cite and fine you. Or, if your not will the comply promptly, kill you on the street with a choke hold.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (ztOda)

228 "Can someone explain further how the Dutch system works..."

The Dutch Oven?

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (ZQfW9)

229 >>The potheads who want to ban alcohol and tobacco (and sugar and salt and meat...) are starting to get pretty close, though

Way worse here in CO.
They want no restrictions on any pot use, which is just the height of hypocrisy after the way cigarette smokers have been demonized.

Particularly love how they use the SAME arguments, such as "business-owners should be able to make space available to smokers if they choose to cater to that group" yadda, yadda, yadda.

How about just say "It's totes alright when it's MY vice, it's YOUR vice that needs to be eradicated from polite society, m'kay?"

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (NOIQH)

230 what are you using? burley?

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:40 PM (MgFMj)


I have a variety but my absolute favorite tobaccos are Smokin' G (from a PA store {smokersoutletonline} - which, unfortunately, means that I have to pay sales tax on it). Very cheap - around $15/lb, but sold in half pound bags, clean, and very, very good. I use regular Premier tubes.

Also, the smokeroutletonline generic tobacco is very good and cheap as all hell - around $12/lb sold in 14 oz bags.

For those who don't do MYO, a pound of tobacco makes approx 2 1/2 cartons.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (MYSVz)

231 Conservatism as Flynn sees it is wonderful for functional, mature people. But how many of us are so solidly functional and mature as to buy what Flynn and the rest of you are selling?
Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 02:41 PM (tw4zl)

___________

It has to be sold in the right context though. Freedom as a concept isn't enough for the Twitter generation. But if you explain that freedom means freedom to do X, Y and Z, then it will resonate.

But I never hear politicians on the right frame it like that. It's always flag waving rah rah rah USA USA USA freedom. And people get turned off by that.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (0LHZx)

232 Golf is a dying sport.

Who wants to spend 75-100 dollars for 4 hours of rage and frustration? I can spend the 4 hours with my wife and get the same result for free.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (kQBSd)

233 Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (jBuUi)

Right. They never advocate shutting down frisbee golf courses (or whatever it is loser hipsters do with their free time) for "endangered species."

Only gun ranges and golf courses.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (AkOaV)

234 "A free people is only free if it is permitted to do the WRONG thing, as well as the right thing."

Taken generally, this is complete bullshit. Also we're talking about a substance where you don't have full control over stopping.

Most people are against legalizing other drugs, so this isn't a generic question of freedom, just which ones you think are bad enough to ban.

Posted by: JP at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (Pa4eZ)

235 What if you do the Dutch Rudder with a Dutch model?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (NjiZL)

236 Cost of everything goes up by 23% and it's regressive much less flat.

If you want less of something, tax it.

This is a very Fundamental Economic Law that seems lost on Fair Taxers. Besides, it's modeled on the Euroweenie VAT: remind me again what shape is their economy in these days?

We're all better off with a small, inexpensive and unobtrusive government. We haven't had one in anyone's recent memory, so it's no wonder that no one even ponders what it'd be like to have one.

The concept is foreign to them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (eEb+d)

237 And then when tobacco tax revenue craters....

Also I have exactly zero sympathy since a majority of smokers in New York also voted for this Bolshevik.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (659DL)

238 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM (MYSVz)

I roll my own from time to time (i go on kicks) and use the same supplier and tobacco.

so pleaassseeee shaddup about it before someone in government hears about it and ends this "loophole"

:-D

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:46 PM (AkOaV)

239 show the kids "Cool Hand Luke"

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2015 02:46 PM (MgFMj)

240
[ Thank you. I'll take it as a tentative sign that _maybe_ I get a second or third undeserved chance to participate in the discussions of your online community. Regardless, I don't think I'll ever stop reading. And it remains my sincere intention to continue to honor my pledge to only post in a state of sobriety. ]


Posted by: _Dave_ at June 30, 2015 02:46 PM (l2dSQ)

241 I really like how Flynn refers to "The Dutch System" - we need more of this approach.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 02:46 PM (NOIQH)

242 Golf courses are closing all over the place. The
lefties will get their wish sooner or later. Golf is a dying sport. I
used to be an avid golfer and now if I get out 5 times a summer it's a
lot.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:41 PM (0LHZx)

Not out West... Jack Niklaus was just up in Heber City, he is opening up a new short course up there. But I bet there will be an attempt to shut down golf courses out here due to water use.
http://www.nicklaus.com/design/redledges/

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:46 PM (hvf9s)

243 Cost of everything goes up by 23% and it's regressive much less flat.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 02:38 PM (Q4pU/)


For goods and services produced in the U.S., there is an offsetting reduction because business no longer pay any taxes, reduced accounting expenses, better focus on long-term profitability instead of short term tax avoidance, etc.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:47 PM (9ZZd+)

244 Having a 17 ounce beverage by the light of an illegal light bulb.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:47 PM (n3Sbm)

245 they can pry my Newports and e-juice out of my cold dead hands

Posted by: The Dude at June 30, 2015 02:47 PM (SyKbw)

246 It is the difference between political power and personal power.

When you are a military officer which is better to use? Political power uses the power of the office to force others to do something. Personal power uses persuasion to convince others that your plan is the best..

btw, Ace is correct. The sex is better.




Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2015 02:47 PM (baR5c)

247 Oh, nice Lloyd Marcus (big Tea Party guy) endorses Flynn.

Although HIS NAME IS SPELLED WRONG on the Flynn endorsement page.

Someone tell Flynn's team.

It's Lloyd, not Loyd.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 02:47 PM (qCMvj)

248 Which is Pure School Choice -- the government's role is to deliver a check, and the money follows the student to whatever school his parent wants.

That's why I'm saying he's a genius.

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I was a genius a long time ago. Thanks for the confirmation.

Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 02:47 PM (gmeXX)

249 I can be quite tasty (but it hurts on the way out).

Posted by: Turd Ferguson


That should read, of course, "It (curry)" instead of "I", but, um...choose your own adventure, I guess.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:48 PM (VAsIq)

250 Most people are against legalizing other drugs, so this isn't a generic question of freedom, just which ones you think are bad enough to ban.
Posted by: JP at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (Pa4eZ)

Uhhh... No. I'm not for you telling me what substances I can put in my body. Full stop.

And for people who are for government arresting people who use substances like meth -- it's not that they are worried about the dental health of meth users, it's that they're worried that meth users lose their mind and are likely to become criminals to support their addiction.

An argument I don't really buy by the way.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:48 PM (AkOaV)

251 Curry cooking isn't discrimination though. In a roundabout way, it is. I mean, a landlord could make a no frying chicken rule so that there aren't fumes, for all I care.

I could cook curry. An African-American could cook curry. A Japanese person could cook curry. Cooking curry isn't a race or an ethnicity. So, you would be taking a leap to infer that "No Curry Cooking" means something racial.

By the way, by incentivize, I didn't necessarily mean monetarily or with tax dollars either. Incentives are the best way to promote good behavior without outlawing bad behavior.


Posted by: TickledPink at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (RLFFI)

252 I note in passing that the Founders would have already been shooting people in their fucking faces.

Just an historical note.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (72D6h)

253 The fair tax is collected by business. The IRS would still audit businesses but would have no reason to audit an individual. That alone would be worth it.

Posted by: The IRS weapon at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (wkuqO)

254 214 Since Indian Food smells like Peppered Roasted $hit does it also taste the same?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:41 PM (n


I happen to enjoy Indian food, so thank you for that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (St6BJ)

255 "Bill DiBlasio despises you and your freedom."

I'm inclined so say that the feeling is mutual, but I don't really care that much about him or what he or his constituents think.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (Dq8Uc)

256 232 Golf is a dying sport.

Who wants to spend 75-100 dollars for 4 hours of rage and frustration? I can spend the 4 hours with my wife and get the same result for free.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (kQBSd)

_________

Well at least thanks to a lack of demand, that 75-100 is now more like 30-50. There are some insanely cheap golf options out there. The price of golf adjusted for inflation is 50% cheaper today than 10 years ago. Tiger Mania temporarily boosted players which led to building a bunch of new courses in the late 90s and early 00s. Now all that temporary demand has gone away and more golfers are dying off or too old to play than new golfers taking up the sport.

So you have a glut of supply, sagging demand = LOW LOW PRICES!!

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)

257 I quit smoking about 10 years ago after I had a heart attack and I am glad I did.

Yeah, I had a family member who didn't quit after his stint and had a heart attack and died. It's terrible for your heart.

But you know, so are donuts, so do what you like. But if you have a history of heart problems in your family or personally it's probably best to stay away if you don't want to die young (ish).

Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 02:50 PM (lIU4e)

258
It's absolute juvenile revenge fantasy, leftover from the '60s. That's all it is. The younger generation of activist are automatons acting out the revenge fantasies of their professors.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (jBuUi)







Rage Against My Parents

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 02:50 PM (vXKGT)

259 Can someone explain further how the Dutch system works and how it is a conservative idea?

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Well it goes like this. Society has decided that public education is a "good." Conservatives would argue that means that the public pays, not the public provides. So yeah, I too am in favor of the Dutch model, which gives me the freedom to determine how my kids should be educated with less interference from the state (not no interference).

Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 02:50 PM (gmeXX)

260 Since Indian Food smells like Peppered Roasted $hit does it also taste the same? Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:41 PM (n3Sbm)

Mmmmm, Indian. Now I'm craving lamb tikka masala...that might be dinner tonight, hah. So good, love my local Indian joint.

And a peach hate shake for dessert!

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:50 PM (hvf9s)

261 Telling a person to figure out what's best for themselves, on the other hand, is telling people to exert actual effort and is thereby a harder sell.


Which I find curious, given that everything today is geared towards appeals to the ego.

"You deserve __________! Right now!!"

I just don't get it...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:50 PM (eEb+d)

262 I note in passing that the Founders would have already been shooting people in their fucking faces.

Regardless of sexual orientation, too.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2015 02:50 PM (659DL)

263 Who wants to spend 75-100 dollars for 4 hours of rage and frustration? I can spend the 4 hours with my wife and get the same result for free.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (kQBSd)



Ba-dum-kish!

Heh.


Too true. OK, off to sign another alimony check.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at June 30, 2015 02:51 PM (vgIRn)

264 "sexually bent?"

I understand that the 10% statistic is bullshit. It's more like 1.5%


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2015 02:51 PM (baR5c)

265 You are only free to do what you want if you want to screw someone in the GRASS

Posted by: Ben H at June 30, 2015 02:51 PM (4R+mh)

266 Posted by: TickledPink at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (RLFFI)

Well let me tell you a story about disparate Impact in housing...

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:51 PM (AkOaV)

267
I happen to enjoy Indian food, so thank you for that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (St6BJ)








He's just trying to curry favor.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 02:51 PM (vXKGT)

268 >>>Can someone explain further how the Dutch system works and how it is a conservative idea?

you're paying for school already; that is unlikely to change.

The Dutch Model lets you pick which school gets that money.

I think what people aren't realizing is that you're already paying at least $10,000 a year in taxes in school costs.

This model, at least, lets you spend that amount *as you see fit.*

Posted by: ace at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (bhepQ)

269 Someone , some where in the near future will stick this stuff up some busy bodies ass and it will be like a breach birth to remove it from said orifice.

Posted by: Rolling Rock at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (/WmRg)

270 :-D

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:46 PM (AkOaV)


Yeah ... I hear you. That was just for the horde

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (MYSVz)

271 Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:47 PM (9ZZd+)

If you think businesses will offset 100% I've got a Nigerian prince I'd like to intoduce to you.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (Q4pU/)

272 "This is a very Fundamental Economic Law that seems lost on Fair Taxers. Besides, it's modeled on the Euroweenie VAT: "

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 02:45 PM (eEb+d)


The Fair Tax Plan has absolutely nothing in common with the European VAT model.

Nothing.

Not even close.

You really should read up on the Fair Tax to see what it's about.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (9ZZd+)

273 DeBlasio and totalitarians like him always keep pushing further and further. Over the edge in their unrelenting desire to control. Question is, are NYers going to see it for what it is? I'd have to imagine there's a waking up point for even the most uninformed, ignorant cretin walking the streets totally unaware of the political jackboot coming down on their necks. Or if not, I have to realize there are scads of people that love to be controlled and told what to do. It's just not in my nature. I can't fathom being that way.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (0u3uY)

274 Not out West... Jack Niklaus was just up in Heber City, he is opening up a new short course up there. But I bet there will be an attempt to shut down golf courses out here due to water use.
http://www.nicklaus.com/design/redledges/
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:46 PM (hvf9s)

__________

I live "out west" and in the past 3 years, 2 courses have gone bankrupt nearby. Both of them upscale, uber pricy/exclusive courses. There's a country club locally that is practically giving away memberships as well. They'll probably go under soon as well.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (0LHZx)

275 You are only free to do what you want if you want to screw someone in the GRASS

Posted by: Ben H

Astro-turf okay?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (VAsIq)

276 I love Nepalese food. We have an all-you-can-eat down the road and I could live there.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (XUKZU)

277 "The Dutch Oven?"

We'll discuss the ovens in due time, comrade. Until then, mum's the word.

Posted by: Your Progressive Overlords at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (YFw5T)

278 I happen to enjoy Indian food, so thank you for that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM


Me too! The mere mention of the word "tandoori" gets my salivary glands going....

I will say, however, that trying to buy the raw materials in an Indian grocery can be a real threat to your temper if you're not one of the Tribe. They're not all helpful and cheery like the ones at the Quickee-Mart!

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (P8YHq)

279 Flynn is the right man for the job because his smile is not a "I play with my poo!" smile. All politicians should practice his smile in the mirror.

Posted by: pashmr at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (3aNC4)

280 258
It's absolute juvenile revenge fantasy, leftover from the '60s. That's all it is. The younger generation of activist are automatons acting out the revenge fantasies of their professors.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (jBuUi)

Rage Against My Parents
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 02:50 PM (vXKGT)


It's angry pubescence/adolescence that never progressed beyond that stage. Imagine, instead of toddlers screaming at momma in the store because they want ice cream or a toy or whatever that it's an adult - at least on paper.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (St6BJ)

281 I happen to enjoy Indian food, so thank you for that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (St6BJ)



He's just trying to curry favor. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 02:51 PM (vXKGT)

And tikka you off.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (hvf9s)

282 Mmmmm, Indian. Now I'm craving lamb tikka masala...that might be dinner tonight, hah. So good, love my local Indian joint.

Vendalu for me, lamb.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (kQBSd)

283 Oh, nice Lloyd Marcus (big Tea Party guy) endorses Flynn.

Although HIS NAME IS SPELLED WRONG on the Flynn endorsement page.

Someone tell Flynn's team.

It's Lloyd, not Loyd.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 02:47 PM (qCMvj)
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They can correct this as well:

"LaHood's father, a Republican congressman for 24 years, served in President Obama's Cabinet, the only Republican to do so in all seven years of the Obama Administration."

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (NUqwG)

284 52% of the electorate doesn't want freedom. They want free shit.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (baR5c)

285 The VAT is an illegal tariff on foreign goods.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (n3Sbm)

286 Freedom as a concept isn't enough for the Twitter generation. But if you explain that freedom means freedom to do X, Y and Z, then it will resonate.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:44 PM
________

Mmmm. Conservatism takes at least 20 seconds to express. Nowadays, if your argument takes that long (or can't fit in a tweet) you've already lost.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (tw4zl)

287 If you think businesses will offset 100% I've got a Nigerian prince I'd like to intoduce to you.

Posted by: Cruzinator

I'm listening...how old is said prince?

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 30, 2015 02:54 PM (VAsIq)

288 Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 02:50 PM (gmeXX)

Yeah, this.

I think the *most* conservative thing would be to get government out of the education business completely. However, that particular ship has sailed, so the fight is over how much control government has over education.

Of course, even vouchers are not without risk. Ask so-called "private universities" who were silly enough to take Federal dollars (either in direct grants/subsidies, or in the form of student financial aid).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM (kff5f)

289 Only gun ranges and golf courses.


Gun ranges should be exempt from any eco regs.
They are the only true recyclers.

Lead and copper are mined from the ground.
Lead and copper are put back in the ground at gun ranges.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM (XVWwL)

290 278 I happen to enjoy Indian food, so thank you for that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM

Me too! The mere mention of the word "tandoori" gets my salivary glands going....

I will say, however, that trying to buy the raw materials in an Indian grocery can be a real threat to your temper if you're not one of the Tribe. They're not all helpful and cheery like the ones at the Quickee-Mart!
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM (P8YHq)


Liberals and DeBolshevik aside, New York City is blessed with several Indian/Pakistani neighborhoods and markets where you can get everything you need to at least attempt some Indian cookery.

I can fake a few decent curries but some Indian recipes are quite challenging. And unless you have a backyard, forget tandoori, sadly.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM (St6BJ)

291 Well at least thanks to a lack of demand, that 75-100 is now more like 30-50. There are some insanely cheap golf options out there. The price of golf adjusted for inflation is 50% cheaper today than 10 years ago. Tiger Mania temporarily boosted players which led to building a bunch of new courses in the late 90s and early 00s. Now all that temporary demand has gone away and more golfers are dying off or too old to play than new golfers taking up the sport.

So you have a glut of supply, sagging demand = LOW LOW PRICES!!
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN


That's not really the case out here on the coast of northern California. There is still big demand for most of the better courses because there is a massive amount of Asian tourism coming over to play on them.

A public course around here costs maybe $40-ish to play. You'll see lots and lots of Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese players out on them, because (as some have explained to me) it's actually CHEAPER to get on a plane and fly to California and play on a public course here than it is do join a country club (which is usually required) and pay the green fees in Japan. Price of airfare to US is cheaper than membership + green fees in Japan!

So the courses here -- at least the better well-known ones -- are still crowded most of the time.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM (jBuUi)

292 I happen to enjoy Indian food, so thank you for that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:49 PM (St6BJ)

Still can't tiny URL but google up youtube rules of engagement Adam eats Indian food.

One of the funniest moments in sitcom history in my opinion.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM (Q4pU/)

293
If you think businesses will offset 100% I've got a Nigerian prince I'd like to intoduce to you.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (Q4pU/)


No, of course the reduction in expenses by business aren't going to make up for the entire tax, but it will make up a portion of it.

The individual always has the option of avoiding new goods if they want to reduce their tax burden in a particular year.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM (9ZZd+)

294 Society has decided that public education is a "good." Conservatives would argue that means that the public pays, not the public provides. So yeah, I too am in favor of the Dutch model, which gives me the freedom to determine how my kids should be educated with less interference from the state (not no interference).

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So the elites could still go to the Obama School of Condescension and Socialism but that wouldn't work them They need us to go there to be brainwashed as well.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 02:56 PM (XUKZU)

295 "Can someone explain further how the Dutch system works..." The Dutch Rudder?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 30, 2015 02:43 PM (NjiZL)


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That's like a Cleveland Steamer, right? I get my perversions mixed up.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 02:56 PM (P25Hh)

296 another national tax is the corruption tax, though it is harder to quantify. Hillary is collecting it, unions do with Holder an enforcer, many others. I'm guessing the US is less corrupt than some, though maybe not anymore.

Posted by: Illiniwek at June 30, 2015 02:56 PM (eNP7U)

297 Or if not, I have to realize there are scads of people that love to be controlled and told what to do. It's just not in my nature. I can't fathom being that way.
Posted by: Lady in Black at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (0u3uY)

_________

Put yourself in teh shoes of a typical American...

He gets food from the govt
He gets his rent paid with govt money
He gets health care from the govt
He gets a cell phone from the govt

Basically every aspect of his life is taken care of by the govt. He has no freedom to begin with and is controlled 24/7 already.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 02:56 PM (0LHZx)

298 "Astro-turf okay?"

Only if you use the correct pronoun!

Posted by: Ben H at June 30, 2015 02:57 PM (4R+mh)

299 He's just trying to curry favor. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 02:51 PM (vXKGT)

And tikka you off.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 02:53 PM


Garan, you guys are going to make me piss masala laughing here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 02:57 PM (h4vJk)

300 One of the funniest moments in sitcom history in my opinion.

Posted by: Cruzinator

That show's great.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:57 PM (VAsIq)

301
That's OK, as long as I can still have ghey buttsechs with my husband on our back patio picnic table.

Posted by: Don Lemon at June 30, 2015 02:58 PM (wAQA5)

302 295 That's like a Cleveland Steamer, right? I get my perversions mixed up.
Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 02:56 PM (P25Hh)

Rusty Trumpets and Alabama Hot Pockets.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:58 PM (St6BJ)

303 oh gosh

so many errors

http://www.mikeflynnforcongress.com/#!news/ciuc

Erick Erickson and Lloyd spelled wrong on this page, too.

eek

someone who knows him, should contact them

they need some good eyes on the site

You don't want to spell the endorsers wrong..

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 30, 2015 02:58 PM (qCMvj)

304 Yeah ... I hear you. That was just for the horde
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (MYSVz)

Heh. Frankly, I cannot believe it's not banned yet.

I've been ordering from them for a year or so and I keep waiting to get an email saying, "due to the ATF raid that occurred this morning, we will be unable to fulfill your order. Also, the IRS and ATF are auditing all of our records, you should see a bill for the 'lost tax revenue' in the mail in the next few weeks. Thanks for being a loyal customer!"

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)

305 Is anyone surprised about the push to ban smoking in the homes? This was entirely predictable.

Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 02:58 PM (gmeXX)

306
You are only free to do what you want if you want to screw someone in the GRASS

Posted by: Ben H

Astro-turf okay?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:52 PM (VAsIq)






How long until Home Depot starts selling AstroGlide?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 02:58 PM (vXKGT)

307 One of the good things about growing older is getting to know yourself. What you're good at and your weaknesses. Something I'm good at is observing and deducing. Through my lifetime of personal observations I concluded over 10 years ago that children exposed to parents who smoke suffer from varying degrees of ADHD. Science is now making that connection. For that reason I think children should not be exposed to second hand smoke. If you live alone or with other smokers, then smoke 'em if you got 'em, but keep the smoke away from children and their tiny lungs.

Posted by: BHO at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (xBryS)

308 Banking Holiday in Greece.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (n3Sbm)

309 How long until Home Depot starts selling AstroGlide?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur

WD-40 works just fine.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (VAsIq)

310 Hey, it's not extortion if the government does it, right? It's a tax.

Posted by: Fritz at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (UzPAd)

311 If you live alone or with other smokers, then smoke 'em if you got 'em, but keep the smoke away from children and their tiny lungs.

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And there you go. The reason for so many regulations. We know better than you on how to raise your children.

Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 03:00 PM (gmeXX)

312 So the courses here -- at least the better well-known ones -- are still crowded most of the time.
Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM (jBuUi)

__________

Sure and the Pinehursts and Torrey Pines of the world will be crowded as well. But generally speaking golf is on life support.

The odd time I do go out and play it's hard to find anyone under 30 on the course. That doesn't bode to well for the future.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 03:00 PM (0LHZx)

313 Basically every aspect of his life is taken care of by the govt. He has no freedom to begin with and is controlled 24/7 already.

--

I guess the "scraps from the gov't < realizing your full potential in freedom" thing is lost on a lot of people. Sad truth.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 30, 2015 03:00 PM (0u3uY)

314 305 Is anyone surprised about the push to ban smoking in the homes? This was entirely predictable.
Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 02:58 PM (gmeXX)

Already banned smoking in cars in CT if someone in the car appears to be a child.

Just another... year or so until they just ban smoking outright in cars.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:00 PM (AkOaV)

315 Banking Holiday in Greece.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (n3Sbm)


That sound you just heard was the collective tightening of millions of sphincters as Europeans realize It Could All Come Crashing Down.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:00 PM (kff5f)

316 You really should read up on the Fair Tax to see what it's about.

Already did, which is why I know it's bullshit.

There is no point compromising with innumerates and economic imbeciles. A Flat Tax and a Balanced Budget Amendment starves the beast and makes it live within its means (or provides the impetus to stay out of the way of a robust economy, which would be even better).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:00 PM (eEb+d)

317 Is anyone surprised about the push to ban smoking in the homes? This was entirely predictable.
Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 02:58 PM (gmeXX)


-----------------------------------------


No. Everyone hates smokers. No one minds taking freedom from them.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 03:01 PM (P25Hh)

318 Posted by: BHO at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (xBryS)

ADHD is a made up "disorder" along the same lines as "second hand smoke"-related lung cancer.

But yeah, let's just pass more laws. Just in case.

ITS FOR THE CHILDREN FOR FUCKS SAKE!

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)

319 If you live alone or with other smokers, then smoke 'em if you got 'em, but keep the smoke away from children and their tiny lungs.

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The fantasy that the government will stop at just being for the children.

Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 03:02 PM (gmeXX)

320 Liberals and DeBolshevik aside, New York City is
blessed with several Indian/Pakistani neighborhoods and markets where
you can get everything you need to at least attempt some Indian cookery.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM


In Eastern MA, not so much. I'm not sure the Big City Next Door even has an Indian restaurant....haven't seen one, unless it's disguised as a bar or pizzeria.

Back in SoCal, we used to hit several Indian groceries for supplies. They were all run by rude bastards. Even so, I was looking at a spot in the back yard for a tandoori oven.

Conversely, the local Italian grocery stores' staffs all treated you like an honored guest. I suppose it may have helped that I could speak a little Italian. Never learned a word of Hindi.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 30, 2015 03:02 PM (P8YHq)

321 Easy answer to no chance for a flat tax because 50% pay no income tax: just role Fica in with it. No reason not to. Roll SS/Medi payments in with welfare while we are it and really save paperwork.

Posted by: pashmr at June 30, 2015 03:02 PM (3aNC4)

322 Posted by: BHO at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (xBryS)

As a non-smoker with a severely ADHD kid:

F*ck you. I'll smoke if I want. You don't get to tell me what to do in my own home.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:02 PM (kff5f)

323 Too bad I don't live in NYC. i don't smoke but perhaps De (Blah!!) sio could be my personal trainer (at no expense) so I could get a six pack

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 30, 2015 03:03 PM (OSs/l)

324 If you live alone or with other smokers, then smoke 'em if you got 'em, but keep the smoke away from children and their tiny lungs.

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If you live alone, eat all the transfat you want, but keep it away from children and their developing stomachs.

Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 03:03 PM (gmeXX)

325 316

Tell me more about this 'starving the beast'

Posted by: Government bonds at June 30, 2015 03:03 PM (wkuqO)

326 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:00 PM (eEb+d)

Right. Any nation-wise consumption tax is doomed to fail.

People drive up to the great state of NH in droves from MA and ME to save 6% (or whatever their sales taxes are) on TV sets.

Imagine a 20% (or whatever it would require to be "budget neutral") national sales tax? Puh-leeze! Good luck enforcing that.

The only thing that would do is create a massive black market overnight.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:03 PM (AkOaV)

327 Roll SS/Medi payments in with welfare while we are it and really save paperwork.

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And violate the sanctity of the lock box?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 03:03 PM (XUKZU)

328 IDK if there are any for real Huckabee fans, but one of the things he did was ban smoking in restaurants and other such places...

Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 03:04 PM (lIU4e)

329 smoke 'em if you got 'em

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 30, 2015 03:04 PM (0O7c5)

330 If you live alone, eat all the transfat you want, but keep it away from children and their developing stomachs.

Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 03:03 PM


My theory is that Bruce Jenner suffers from too much transfat.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 30, 2015 03:04 PM (P8YHq)

331 One of the good things about growing older is getting to know yourself. What you're good at and your weaknesses. Something I'm good at is observing and deducing. Through my lifetime of personal observations I concluded over 10 years ago that children exposed to parents who smoke suffer from varying degrees of ADHD. Science is now making that connection. For that reason I think children should not be exposed to second hand smoke. If you live alone or with other smokers, then smoke 'em if you got 'em, but keep the smoke away from children and their tiny lungs.
Posted by: BHO at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (xBryS)


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I'm sure they'll find a consensus too. It'll become "settled science".

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 03:04 PM (P25Hh)

332 328
IDK if there are any for real Huckabee fans, but one of the things he
did was ban smoking in restaurants and other such places...

Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 03:04 PM (lIU4e)

lol....i love how you phrased that!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (0O7c5)

333 That's like a Cleveland Steamer, right? I get my perversions mixed up.
Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 02:56 PM (P25Hh)




I'll let Lester explain: https://youtu.be/yGUuugNEUcU


NSFW, btw

Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (nL0sw)

334 Good lord, Ace!

Calm down on the Mike Flynn shilling! You're starting to sound excessive!

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (7Kbxu)

335 These government regulations are awful. There are too many.

What about smoking - its dangerous to kids you know.

Well of course the government should stop people from smoking around kids.

Posted by: SH at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (gmeXX)

336 316 You really should read up on the Fair Tax to see what it's about.

Already did, which is why I know it's bullshit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:00 PM (eEb+d)



From what you've already wrote in this thread it's painfully obvious you haven't the first clue what the Fair Tax Plan is or how it works.

Really, take the time to actually read it and ask questions if there are parts you don't fully understand.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (9ZZd+)

337 I'm not so sure about the whole second-hand smoke thing. If you're allergic or asthmatic I can see how that would be a problem. My grandfather smoked like a chimney around me as a young pup, and aside from the smell it never caused me any ill effects. This is only my personal experience, of course, so YMMV.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (2Ojst)

338 The golf business status is over simplified.

Yes. There were probably too many courses built in the nineties.

However, the major difference now is the impact of the Ofailure economy.

Many business owners have less time because they can't afford to hire help.

Many management types have either lost their jobs or fear losing them if not working the 70 hour week.

Hourly workers haven't had a raise in years and they are too broke from putting food on the table and gas is their cars. Or is that food in their cars?

Hell. I play for free and play less than I ever have.

Posted by: Golfman at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (48QDY)

339 IDK if there are any for real Huckabee fans, but one of the things he did was ban smoking in restaurants and other such places...

Pretty sure that was Jeb!s legacy down here, too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (eEb+d)

340

They wanted him. Feel tyranny in full flower

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (+v40j)

341 >>Whatever. I hate the smell.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN

You get over it.

Posted by: Huma at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (sQzB6)

342 Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM (9ZZd+)

That's why it's regressive also. You can have a Sam Walton driving his 15 year old truck and living in his 1970's ranch style house pay less in tax than the single professional batchelor who is starting to accumulate various adult toys.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:06 PM (Q4pU/)

343
Football star Michael Sam and his college sweetheart Vito
Cammisano may have called it quits just six months after getting engaged
in romantic moment atop St. Peter's
Daily Mail

#LoveWins. Wait -- there's a flag on the play...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2015 03:06 PM (kdS6q)

344
Banking Holiday in Greece.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (n3Sbm)

That sound you just heard was the collective tightening of millions of sphincters as Europeans realize It Could All Come Crashing Down.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet
............................................
Tightening of sphincters? Don't be a tease.

Posted by: Don Lemon at June 30, 2015 03:06 PM (wAQA5)

345 I think the *most* conservative thing would be to get government out of the education business completely. However, that particular ship has sailed, so the fight is over how much control government has over education.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:55 PM
________

The minimum wage, too. There's no abolishing it.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 03:07 PM (tw4zl)

346 Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (2Ojst)

Yes. Without a doubt, smoke of any kind (camp fire, tobacco, weed) can irritate peoples asthma or (verrrry rare, but exists) allergies.

Which is why most smokers try to be considerate and not blow smoke in to the face of their buddy who is huffing on an inhaler.

It's the second hand lung cancer / COPD that is kind of... suspiciously sourced and loose on actual science.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:07 PM (AkOaV)

347 I smoke all the time...or is that steam. HUMA!!!!

Posted by: Hillary's vayjay at June 30, 2015 03:08 PM (kQBSd)

348
From what you've already wrote in this thread it's painfully obvious you haven't the first clue what the Fair Tax Plan is or how it works.

Really, take the time to actually read it and ask questions if there are parts you don't fully understand.


I've forgotten more about free-market economics than you'll ever know.

Also, can you not read? I said I already read up on it, which is how I know it's bullshit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 30, 2015 03:08 PM (eEb+d)

349 The minimum wage, too. There's no abolishing it.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 30, 2015 03:07 PM (tw4zl)


Sadly true.

Didn't say I liked it. Didn't say I wouldn't complain about it. But I'm honest enough to know "you can't get there from here."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (kff5f)

350 Tightening of sphincters?

In Greece???

Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (kQBSd)

351 You smoke you might smoke for 60 plus years, like my mother, who ultimately paid the price for something that she truly enjoyed. Her joys in life were nicotine, caffeine, and religion. All three ran neck and neck for her attention.

I'd guess her smoking was less dangerous to her than buttsecks is to ghey men.

But nanny state gotta nanny.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (xQX/f)

352 >>> ADHD is a made up "disorder" along the same lines as "second hand smoke"-related lung cancer.

Not made up. But it IS overdiagnosed, and I do think some ppl use it as an excuse to get complacent with their potential and ability to focus.

And it shouldn't be used as a reason to ban smoking either.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (hvf9s)

353 I favor the Fair Tax for two reasons. First, it's virtually impossible to accidentally get into tax trouble (or pull a Willie Nelson as I call it) and second all the dope dealer, illegal aliens, and bank robbers will have to pay taxes, too. It may not be perfect but it is a lot better than what we have now. It will never happen, though, because congress will never give up it's power to control, to reward, and to punish by tax regulation.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (XUKZU)

354 Posted by: Golfman at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (48QDY)

_________

Oh FFS you're blaming Obama for golf's demise? Come on.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (0LHZx)

355 I'm not sure, but I thought Ontario made it illegal, or tried to, to smoke in your cars when kids were there...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2015 03:10 PM (AC0lD)

356 The minimum wage, too. There's no abolishing it.

Posted by: FireHorse

Sure there is:

President Turd: "I have pushed and pulled and prodded and called in favors and blackmail, and Congress has approved to sunset all minimum wage laws in a year. This gives the states, who have had knowledge that this was being worked on, plenty of time to decide their own laws regarding the matter. I will sign the bill into law with much pleasure right...now."

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 03:10 PM (VAsIq)

357 >>What about smoking - its dangerous to kids you know.


You know what else is dangerous?
Extreme sports. For example, rock climbing is really dangerous. I have seen parents teaching their elementary school-aged children how to rock climb. There ought to be a law prohibiting this - they should not be allowed to take their children rock climbing until they reach age 18.

Now skiing can be dangerous, too, so.....

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 03:10 PM (NOIQH)

358 Not made up. But it IS overdiagnosed, and I do think some ppl use it as an excuse to get complacent with their potential and ability to focus.

And it shouldn't be used as a reason to ban smoking either.
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (hvf9s)

I don't mean "made up" in the sense that there aren't kids with attention issues or mild mental health issues that may or may not react well to taking amphetamine stimulants at age 10.

I mean "made up" in that if you read the DSM-V definition and symptoms, nearly 100% of the worlds population "has ADHD."

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)

359
I'm not so sure about the whole second-hand smoke thing. If you're
allergic or asthmatic I can see how that would be a problem. My
grandfather smoked like a chimney around me as a young pup, and aside
from the smell it never caused me any ill effects. This is only my
personal experience, of course, so YMMV.

--

Ditto. My mom and dad both smoked like chimneys all the years I grew up. In the house, in the car. And Dad's Kents, no less. My 2 siblings and I never experienced anything other than developing a severe disdain for cigarettes and the smell as a result. Not to say there aren't some who haven't been affected with health issues. Just not me. But damn, do I hate cigarettes.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 30, 2015 03:11 PM (0u3uY)

360 That said: the government will be involved with education. Given that reality, there are worse solutions than universal vouchers.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:08 PM (kff5f)

I will only support them if schools can reject students for any and all reasons. I've seen what vouchers can do when you can't limit the students.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 30, 2015 03:12 PM (nRvEn)

361 I'm free market on that one.

Let the customer decide.

I smoke but would prefer non-smoking restaurants. That's where I would take my money. My decision. Not some pols.

Posted by: Golfman at June 30, 2015 03:12 PM (48QDY)

362 But the way to persuade people is to actually persuade them.

Not to bully them.

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Because that never works - right, SCOTUS?

Posted by: Roy at June 30, 2015 03:12 PM (VndSC)

363 I have seen parents teaching their elementary school-aged children how to rock climb.

Really? As a kid I climb every rock, tree, cliff I could find. No parents around.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 03:12 PM (kQBSd)

364 355 I'm not sure, but I thought Ontario made it illegal, or tried to, to smoke in your cars when kids were there...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2015 03:10 PM (AC0lD)

__________

That I can get behind. I get so angry when I see people smoking in cars with the fucking windows rolled up and a kid or two in the back seat. WTF is the matter with these assholes?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 03:12 PM (0LHZx)

365 But it's got to be OK to smoke in bedroom, right?

I'm pretty sure they are supposed to stay out of my bedroom.

Posted by: Lurking in the Wilderness at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (1Y+hH)

366 >>Not made up. But it IS overdiagnosed, and I do think some ppl use it as an excuse to get complacent with their potential and ability to focus.
And it shouldn't be used as a reason to ban smoking either.
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (hvf9s)

I do think smoking around kids is bad for them. Not that it should be banned, because good luck with that, but it should be discouraged certainly. People like my dumbass ex SIL are still going to smoke and drink triple espresso's while pregnant and people like my nephew may end up with asthma, and adhd and a million allergies...Maybe they're related, maybe they're not. IDK.

Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (lIU4e)

367 Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (XUKZU)

For it to work, it would need to be in the neighborhood of 20%.

You'd see a MASSIVE black market come in to being almost over night.

Everyone and their brother will find ways to avoid paying sales tax.

Like I said, I live in a state with no sales tax. Along the borders are huge stores full of out of staters who come up with regularity to make their "big ticket" purchases (like TVs or appliances).

And thats to avoid a 6% sales tax.

Imagine what people would do to avoid a 20% sales tax.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (AkOaV)

368 334 Good lord, Ace!

Calm down on the Mike Flynn shilling! You're starting to sound excessive!
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (7Kbxu)


It would have been funnier if you finished with "now let me tell you why Romney needs to make a third try at the presidency..."

Posted by: Buzzion at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (z/Ubi)

369 Golf in Houston is doing okay. What's making a mint is Top Golf. A multi level driving range set up with the same theory as a bowling alley. Electronic chips in the balls score when you hit your target. Waitresses / waiters come to you hitting station and serve you all the beer, drinks and good you want. We have three in the Houston area and the average yearly gross is about 100 million.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (Q4pU/)

370 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM (0LHZx)

Do you have any earthly idea what I do for a living?

FFS yourself.

Posted by: Golfman at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (48QDY)

371 >>> Which is why most smokers try to be considerate and not blow smoke in to the face of their buddy

Suckas!

Posted by: Teddy Kennedy, blowing smoke in face of good buddy Orrin Hatch and chuckling at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (hvf9s)

372 >>What about smoking - its dangerous to kids you know.



So are tobogganing, playgrounds, roads, everything inside, everything outside.



I'm sick of giving up freedom 'for the children.' Screw the kids.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (AC0lD)

373 Speaking of smoking, I'm going to Hooters for some wings.

Sorry for the loose association, but it's just as good as much of the "science" on tobacco.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (P25Hh)

374 That's why it's regressive also. You can have a Sam Walton driving his 15 year old truck and living in his 1970's ranch style house pay less in tax than the single professional batchelor who is starting to accumulate various adult toys.

Posted by: Cruzinator

But you get to control that, or at least influence it and the incentives are all on the right side. Everybody gets a "prebate" for taxes up to the poverty line and even then second hand goods are not taxed. If your professional bachelor wants new adult toys, let him buy them but have him pay tax. Sam Walton is going to kick the bucket any day now and his children and grandchildren would have to pay tax like anybody else.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (XUKZU)

375 In Greece???

Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 03:09 PM


Someone told them about kegels (sp?).

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:14 PM (h4vJk)

376 I will only support them if schools can reject students for any and all reasons. I've seen what vouchers can do when you can't limit the students.

Yep, this to.

This is why my ideal (which I know isn't going to happen) is for the government to get out of the game altogether.

You could combine this "Dutch" model with the British model wherein the educator of last resort is public school.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 03:14 PM (kff5f)

377 What you want to bet that deblasio ahole wants to cut the chocolate ration too?

Posted by: Eromero at June 30, 2015 03:14 PM (go5uR)

378 I'm sick of giving up freedom 'for the children.' Screw the kids.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (AC0lD)

Preach it, brother!

Posted by: Jerry Sandusky at June 30, 2015 03:14 PM (2Ojst)

379
Makes perfect sense to me that a bad economy would hurt an expensive sport like golf.

Seems kind of obvious when you think about it.

Posted by: eleven at June 30, 2015 03:15 PM (IPzoI)

380 Screw the kids.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM


Now you're talking!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at June 30, 2015 03:15 PM (h4vJk)

381 >>Really? As a kid I climb every rock, tree, cliff I could find. No parents around.

I meant the sport of climbing the face of a mountain, which can be quite dangerous. But it's cool and sporty people do it, so it would never occur to them that *their* sport needs to be overregulated.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2015 03:15 PM (NOIQH)

382
But it's got to be OK to smoke in bedroom, right?

I'm pretty sure they are supposed to stay out of my bedroom.
Posted by: Lurking in the Wilderness
..........................
Depends what you're smoking there, big boy.

Posted by: Don Lemon at June 30, 2015 03:15 PM (wAQA5)

383 I'm sick of giving up freedom 'for the children.' Screw the kids.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel

They're just so good at hiding!

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 30, 2015 03:15 PM (VAsIq)

384 Imagine what people would do to avoid a 20% sales tax.

I can, and its beautiful.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2015 03:15 PM (ztOda)

385 supporting the Party and hating the Jews.

That'd be obey and kill.

Posted by: DaveA at June 30, 2015 03:15 PM (DL2i+)

386 Aaand Harry Reid for the trifecta!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (h4vJk)

387 Soooooo -we give up the smoking, and that's it. Right? Nothing else. No smoking, and they'll leave us alone?

Posted by: Weasel at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (6xtq3)

388 "That's why I'm saying he's a genius. He's not just smart, and he's not just right on policy.

He's a little crafty about things."

His answer on Ethanol subsidies is illustrative of this, as well. Got to 22:30 of the video.

Posted by: holygoat at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (yGjXZ)

389 Do you have any earthly idea what I do for a living?

FFS yourself.
Posted by: Golfman at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (48QDY)
_______

Gee I dunno, with a name like Golfman....a dentist? Astronaut?

Even moreso because you are in the industry, blaming Obama makes you look that much more ridiculous. Golf's death was predicted long before Obama came onto the scene. Demographics baby!!

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (0LHZx)

390 You'd see a MASSIVE black market come in to being almost over night.

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There'll be thieves among us always but nobody would accidentally get into trouble.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (XUKZU)

391 3 thread past sock-puppet

Posted by: Giant Woodie Bob Ross at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (DL2i+)

392 Off, pedo sock!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (h4vJk)

393 That's why it's regressive also. You can have a Sam Walton driving his 15 year old truck and living in his 1970's ranch style house pay less in tax than the single professional batchelor who is starting to accumulate various adult toys.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:06 PM (Q4pU/)


Absolutely. If you don't spend any money, you don't pay taxes.

And yes, it's regressive on amounts over and above the prebate.

However, think of the other side of the coin.

Now, everyone pays taxes. From the hobo buying a Big Mac to the tourist (the U.S. is the number 1 tourist destination in the world), to the illegal immigrant, everyone pays. So much so that the big question that determines where you end up on the fuck stick is "Are You A Citizen?".

If you are, your tax burden is lessened by the collection of millions of transactions done every day with foreigners.

Manufacturers in the U.S. would pay no taxes at all on items for export. This would give them a competitive advantage overseas. Every imported item would be subject to tax at the time it was sold.

Flat taxes might have a tiny impact on economic development, the Fair Tax would change the game totally.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (9ZZd+)

394 And for people who are for government arresting people who use substances like meth -- it's not that they are worried about the dental health of meth users, it's that they're worried that meth users lose their mind and are likely to become criminals to support their addiction.

An argument I don't really buy by the way.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 02:48 PM (AkOaV)


Not all meth heads become criminals, but that's the way the smart money bets. Same with crack, same with opiates. Because the shit is so expensive, there are few honest jobs out there that afford the addicts both enough money to buy the shit, and enough time to lie around in a drug-induced stupor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (lojDy)

395 Dutch model? Which one?

(Note, my Bing-Fu informs me there are a great many correct answers...)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (m9V0o)

396 We used to go "ice-blocking" every summer as kids.

Then they stopped selling that size of ice because of the potential lawsuits.

I blame lawyers and liberals and ludicrous luddite lobsters.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 03:18 PM (VAsIq)

397
Speaking of smoking, I'm going to Hooters for some wings.
..........................
So that's your story, and you're sticking to it?

Posted by: wth at June 30, 2015 03:18 PM (wAQA5)

398 I don't believe in second-hand smoke related lung cancer and I'll tell you why. When the started opening up the bodies of lung cancer victims who smoked, they were able to make a connection between the shape of their lungs and the lungs of non-smokers. This was in Britain in the '40'.This is how they made the connection between smoking and cancer in the first place. Now remember, the non-smokers were around plenty of smokers back then as more than half the adults smoke--wherever they wanted and as much as they wanted. But they didn't find cancer in the non-smokers.

That said, being around a smoker can be uncomfortable. But over-selling the danger is how they get things passed.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 30, 2015 03:19 PM (JkcW7)

399
I meant the sport of climbing the face of a mountain, which can be quite dangerous. But it's cool and sporty people do it, so it would never occur to them that *their* sport needs to be overregulated.

So? We over protect our kids. Let them be kids. If they want to learn to climb a rock face teach the right way to do it. My son has cerebral palsy and earn his rock climbing merit badge in scouts at 14. I didn't protect him I let him go. I need protection from my wife when she found out but that's a different story. Point is how do kids push their envelopes if parent hover over them to protect them from life?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 30, 2015 03:21 PM (kQBSd)

400 Manufacturers in the U.S. would pay no taxes at all on items for export. This would give them a competitive advantage overseas. Every imported item would be subject to tax at the time it was sold.
Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (9ZZd+)

_______________________________

Wouldn't they pay tax on all the inputs that go into the final manufactured product...eg steel purchased to make cars?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 03:21 PM (0LHZx)

401 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 03:17 PM (lojDy)

I work with several co workers who take prescription opiates and still come to work.

Others who take prescription amphetamines (adderall).

But that's okay, because they got a note from their doctor saying they're allowed to use hard drugs and that it would be against the ADA and HIPPA acts to ask about their drug use and/or fire them.

Oh, and nood.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 30, 2015 03:22 PM (AkOaV)

402
388 "That's why I'm saying he's a genius. He's not just smart, and he's not just right on policy.

He's a little crafty about things."

His answer on Ethanol subsidies is illustrative of this, as well. Got to 22:30 of the video.
Posted by: holygoat at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (yGjXZ)



Quite frankly people's responses to that are telling. Everyone thinks that when he talks of ending the subsidies it will turn off the farmers because all they care about is that sweet gubmint cheese, which is insulting to the farmers. Flynn, while talking about ending the subsidies also talks about ending regulations that farmers have to deal with. And if you talk to farmers you would know that, probably speaks more to them than any subsidy talk does. He also compliments them in his discussion of it calling them business men and knowing how to handle their land and products.

But no one seems to ever catch that.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 30, 2015 03:22 PM (z/Ubi)

403 Wouldn't they pay tax on all the inputs that go into the final manufactured product...eg steel purchased to make cars?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 03:21 PM (0LHZx)


No.

Under the Fair Tax Plan, only new retail goods and services would be taxed.

Posted by: jwest at June 30, 2015 03:24 PM (9ZZd+)

404 Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 30, 2015 03:13 PM (XUKZU)

I here you but I disagree with the rosey scenario painted be the fair tax proponents. A flat tax is the fairest and simplest solution .

And Sam Walton been dead for a while and most of his kids do spend a lot a money.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:25 PM (Q4pU/)

405 Moonshiner's lives matter.

Posted by: Eromero at June 30, 2015 03:26 PM (go5uR)

406 Cigarette smoke is carcinogenic. Now, "second-hand smoke" from standing at a bus stop next to a smoker is not going to do anything. However, if you are in an enclosed space with someone who smokes, you're going to be breathing in a lot of those carcinogens. The problem came from people who tried to make those two scenarios have the same impact. No--you should not smoke around a baby. Yes--you may smoke at a bus stop (but I'm going to stay up-wind of you).

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 30, 2015 03:26 PM (VAsIq)

407 Through my lifetime of personal observations I concluded over 10 years ago that children exposed to parents who smoke suffer from varying degrees of ADHD. Science is now making that connection. For that reason I think children should not be exposed to second hand smoke. If you live alone or with other smokers, then smoke 'em if you got 'em, but keep the smoke away from children and their tiny lungs.

Posted by: BHO at June 30, 2015 02:59 PM (xBryS)


Point one: "Zero" is a degree of ADHD, is it not? Thought so.


Point two: Not everyone agrees that ADHD is even a genuine medical condition. Some of us see it as kids being kids.


The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 03:27 PM (lojDy)

408 Folks, the discussion of policy alternatives is interesting and all, but the truth is that we have no say in any of this shit. None.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 30, 2015 03:27 PM (YFw5T)

409 Nanny state telephone just ordered me to seek shelter, tornado alert. Take cover now.

Think I'll go outside and smoke one.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 30, 2015 03:28 PM (xQX/f)

410 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 30, 2015 03:16 PM (0LHZx)
Same number of courses in our market for 15 plus years.

Everyone's numbers are down. Our demographic has moved younger. Stick your demo bullshit up your ass. Do t believe everything the WSJ and the NYT tells you.

We don't see the business owners that would take off early on Thursdays. We don't see the managers that skipped out early on Fridays when the boss had left for the beach.

Us 50 something's don't have the cash.

I told you I play for free and don't play because of working more and fear of losing my job. Not because there are too many golf courses.

Reality. I see it everyday. You don't speak it. Dumbass.

Fuck you and OFailure's economy.

Posted by: Golfman at June 30, 2015 03:29 PM (48QDY)

411 The "Dutch System" sounds like the Belgian education system. Basically, the government (aka taxes) pays for education but the money is attached to the child rather than the school. In theory, you send your kid to the school you choose. It is broadly similar to school vouchers and while it seems to work well in Belgium, I think most Morons are smart and cynical enough to see how it would either be destroyed or exploited by the educrat leftists in the US.

Posted by: Commissar M at June 30, 2015 03:35 PM (KSF9t)

412 That's why it's regressive also. You can have a Sam Walton driving his 15 year old truck and living in his 1970's ranch style house pay less in tax than the single professional batchelor who is starting to accumulate various adult toys.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:06 PM (Q4pU/)


You say that like there's something wrong with it. If your hypothetical professional bachelor drove a 15 year-old truck, and bought his quads and his jetskis used, he could save a bundle of money, invest it wisely, and be Sam Walton when he gets to be Sam's age.


In any kind of a welfare state, a regressive tax is a good thing, because it shifts more of the tax burden onto the class of people most likely consume government benefits.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 03:35 PM (lojDy)

413 Just had a 50 section of tree blow down and hail hitting the windows. Think I'll find something to do in the basement for a while.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 30, 2015 03:37 PM (xQX/f)

414 Posted by: se pa moron at June 30, 2015 03:37 PM (xQX/f)

Keep your head down.

Posted by: Golfman at June 30, 2015 03:38 PM (48QDY)

415 I think we should have a national debate on tax policy - four years after we end with holding.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2015 03:39 PM (ztOda)

416 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 03:35 PM (lojDy)

Any thing other than equal treatment is a bad thing in my opinion.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:43 PM (Q4pU/)

417 Any thing other than equal treatment is a bad thing in my opinion.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 30, 2015 03:43 PM (Q4pU/)


I regard it as "user pay". Live large, pay large taxes. Live frugally, pay less taxes. That is equal treatment. You're not taxed on how much you earn, but on how much you spend.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2015 03:47 PM (lojDy)

418 I want to be paid for not working. And a bass boat subsidy.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 30, 2015 03:48 PM (YFw5T)

419 I'm of two sorts about this. I can see the argument that says second hand smoke is bad enough that you can't smoke around kids. Kids are stuck there and you could argue that people don't have the right to make that decision for kids.

And the fact that cigarettes are legal IS kind of crazy given the obvious link to cancer. Luckily for tobacco it is not a food OR a drug (because the FDA would have almost no choice but to ban it if it were either).

But this law isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. It's not an outright ban on smoking in your home. It's a bit of money to fund some advocacy groups to try and convince apartment owners to ban smoking in their buildings. In other words, it's $12,000 in not my tax dollars for a completely voluntary program that might affect smoking apartment dwellers in another part of the county. This non-smoking home owner in Seattle can't really get too worked up about it.

But this post reminds me of a question I've had for a while now:

How do most religious conservatives square their expressed love of freedom and their religious beliefs? Can you be religious and claim to love freedom?

Because from where I sit, it seems that there is nothing more antithetical to freedom than religion.

The religious have no privacy as their God is always watching and judging them. They have no freedom of self governance as their God has already written the laws and they are perfect and inalterable. They all answer to a higher power and must do what that power says to do and not do what the power says to avoid. That's the exact opposite of freedom.

If you doubt me, listen to the reasons religious people give why they fear an atheist society. They fear that humans, given free reign will rape and murder each other with no fear of being judged. If that's not an explicit fear of freedom, what is?

Posted by: seattle slough at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (mCz8+)

420 Golfman. Thanks. Sun is now out. Gonna have to fire up the chainsaw tomorrow, that's for sure. Sixty fat feet of poplar looks like. Weak tree's.

As to golf courses, you're dead on. I live very, very close to one. They've been taking a beating for years. Only thing to save them was a local township that eminent domained their competition.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 30, 2015 03:50 PM (xQX/f)

421 Yeah, I was just thinking that there's been a shortage of trolls today.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 30, 2015 03:50 PM (YFw5T)

422
I'm not so sure about the whole second-hand smoke thing. If you're allergic or asthmatic I can see how that would be a problem. My grandfather smoked like a chimney around me as a young pup, and aside from the smell it never caused me any ill effects. This is only my personal experience, of course, so YMMV.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2015 03:05 PM (2Ojst)






As I recall, the main study that started the second hand smoke issue was a study of the incidence of lung cancer in bartenders and cocktail waitresses. Of course they ignored the fact that EVERY FUCKING BARTENDER AND COCKTAIL WAITRESS IN THE COUNTRY SMOKES LIKE A FUCKING COAL FIRED STEAM LOCOMOTIVE.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2015 03:52 PM (vXKGT)

423 warren wilhelmII must have been inspired by another anti smoking zealot.

Posted by: avi at June 30, 2015 03:53 PM (4bND1)

424 Because from where I sit, it seems that there is nothing more antithetical to freedom than religion.


Posted by: seattle slough at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (mCz8+)



That's because you're a totalitarian dipshit that can't process anything beyond your demand to control everyone through the state. Fuck you.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 30, 2015 03:59 PM (azFPh)

425 I missed the memo to tell me quitting smoking would make me a "better person".

O the humanity

Posted by: NCwoof at June 30, 2015 04:02 PM (aUQgu)

426 My smartphone and Facebook >>>>>>>>>> Freedom

Posted by: LIV at June 30, 2015 04:05 PM (fVOPU)

427 The religious have no privacy as their God is always watching and judging them.
Posted by: seattle slough at June 30, 2015 03:49 PM (mCz8+)

Hey dipshit, not everybody has the Sunday school, bearded old white guy on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel impression of God. That's your fucked up idea and that's why statist slope heads like you are in favor of the gov't dictating every thought and action of the citizenry.

Posted by: Arson Wells at June 30, 2015 04:35 PM (UnJ7w)

428
I would strongly urge all smokers to kick the habit -- you don't need it, just as a junkie doesn't need his drug, and you will be a better person -- healthier, more present in the moment (not thinking about your next nicotine jones), better at sex (everyone enjoying reduced lung capacity?), and richer.

Yeah, but it is for the children. At least in Florida, some of the tobacco taxes go to subsidize children's health care.

Won't you think of the children? light 'em if you got 'em!

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 30, 2015 04:44 PM (1hM1d)

429 Totalitarian dipshit?

LOL

Did you know that my State legalized recreational marijuana and gay marriage at the same time? Two heretofore unavailable freedoms made free by a vote of the people. Do you know who opposed both of these measures? "Freedom" loving patriots like you.

The idea that liberals hate freedom and conservatives love it is moronic. Both ideologies have things they want to be able to do and things they don't want their neighbor to be able to do.

While Libertarians seem to practice what they preach when it comes to freedom and social issues, they basically parrot liberal views on those subjects. Christian Conservatives are the least free and least free loving people in the country. They are worse than trigger-warning, micro-aggressive feminists. Remember it was Conservative Christians who supported anti-sodomy laws. It simply doesn't get any more totalitarian than that. Telling free adults how they are allowed to have sex with other consenting adults?

This will largely be lost on you, but everyone likes freedom to do the things they like to do. It's just that people don't always trust others with the same degree of freedom and one person's freedom invariably bumps into another person's freedom. The freedom to gay marry may have implications on the freedom of others to hold bigoted beliefs about gays. I get that (and I don't care about it.) The freedom to smoke cigarettes invariably bumps into another's freedom to not have to be exposed to cigarette smoke. This is true of practically everything.

We live in a country where you can be a "law and order" republican who also loves freedom even though nearly every single law restricts freedom in some way. People love to think they are for freedom but the fact is, who's freedom is at stake is not always obvious.

That doesn't change the fact that worshiping an all-knowing, immortal Lord is a complete surrender of self-governance. There IS a totalitarian in our midst. And it's not me. It also happens to be a work of fiction, but that's neither here nor there.

Posted by: seattle slough at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (mCz8+)

430 419 "Because from where I sit, it seems that there is nothing more antithetical to freedom than religion."

Well, unless you father a child! You basically become a slave to the state under the aegis of broad, capricious "family law".

But to your point, yes, religion is antithetical to personal freedom in the "do as you will" context. That's why you must be free to be a true follower of God. Without free will to accept or reject a religion and the tenants of its faith, you're a slave.

Point is, you don't have to follow and believe in God. You are free to live your life without Him or any religion. If you choose to accept and follow God however, you agree to abide by His rules as best as you are able.

Make sense now?

Posted by: Commissar M at June 30, 2015 04:49 PM (KSF9t)

431 Arson:

So you disagree that mainline Christians believe we are being judged by God?

Then why do people on Free Republic think God has forsaken America for legalizing gay marriage? Are they just fringe wackos? (note: I believe they ARE fringe wackos but I'd love to hear you admit it).

Posted by: seattle slough at June 30, 2015 04:57 PM (mCz8+)

432 Commissar:

I get it. i can choose to live under under the totalitarian rule of God and in return I may receive an eternal reward. Or I can choose to live free and then I'll be tortured for all of eternity. That's the choice if I believe, yes?

Luckily I don't believe, as both of those choices are awful.

And I have children. And I don't consider myself a slave to the State. I recognize that my children have rights that are held in trust by the State until they reach the age of majority. That's fine. I knew that going in. And I agree with every one of those rights. As a lawyer I understand why we don't trust parents to make some choices. There are lots of terrible, terrible parents out there and they don't have the right to steal their kids' money. Or to refuse to educate them. Or to refuse to give them medical care. I'm OK with that. Someone has to provide a minimum level of protection to kids with shitty parents. The State is best situated to do that for all children because parents can't opt out of the State. Unlike say a charity or a church.

Posted by: seattle slough at June 30, 2015 05:06 PM (mCz8+)

433
I get it. i can choose to live under under the totalitarian rule of God and in return I may receive an eternal reward. Or I can choose to live free and then I'll be tortured for all of eternity. That's the choice if I believe, yes?

No, it's not. You don't get it.

You don't want to. Because you want to stay smug and ignorant.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at June 30, 2015 05:09 PM (u0lmX)

434 Ignorant of what Donna?

Do you remember how you felt when you first heard the origin story of Scientology? About how a galactic despot named Xenu imprisoned a bunch of aliens and put them on space jets brought them to prehistoric earth and blew them up in volcanos? And how Xenu trapped the (now) dead alien's ghosts and brainwashed them and how today we are all haunted by brainwashed alien ghosts?

Remember how ridiculous that sounded and still sounds?!

Well, Donna, your religion sounds precisely that ridiculous to me as well.

So I'm not sure what I'm ignorant of. Perhaps you can help me out.

Posted by: seattle slough at June 30, 2015 05:26 PM (mCz8+)

435 And Donna, I like you telling how it REALLY is. As if you actually know.

Posted by: seattle slough at June 30, 2015 05:27 PM (mCz8+)

436 A point on the Flat Tax vs Fair Tax discussion.

The Fair Tax is an embedded rather than added tax. There was a calculation done that roughly 18 to 23% of the cost of an item was taxation and compliance. Without a federal income tax and its associated costs, the Fair Tax folks proposed that 23% of the final retail cost of an item would be the tax.

In other words, unlike a national sales tax, when you buy a $10 item, it would be $10, not $12.30.

Posted by: Commissar M at June 30, 2015 05:30 PM (KSF9t)

437 They ought to make cigarettes that smell like marijuana so that they will be socially acceptable.

Posted by: Old Hob at June 30, 2015 05:35 PM (T1Jm0)

438 >>>* I'm convinced they're sexually bent. No one getting his rocks off nice, no one who still has animal spirit in his blood, goes about this stupid, pointless, sport-for-fat-weaklings busybodying.

Maybe that asterisked footnote isn't placed so great, right after the photos of the candidates.

Posted by: molly@agathe.gr at June 30, 2015 06:15 PM (ew6hg)

439 I am all for banning smoking in buildings, but not for the reasons De Blasio gives. My reasons are purely economic: 1. It destroys the value of the dwelling by getting into the walls, appliances, drapes, carpets, everything. And it all has to be stripped and redone if you ever want the smell to be gone. 2. It makes people in other apartments uncomfortable as the smoke goes from unit to unit. Is isn't as though it stays in one apartment.

Posted by: Denver Todd at June 30, 2015 06:19 PM (9wwA6)

440 In NC when they outlawed smoking in bars and restaurants, guess who was exempt? Country clubs. You know, where the ones who made that law go to have a drink.

Posted by: Stephanie at June 30, 2015 07:49 PM (7ecKn)

441 A few years ago, Ace was slobbering over Rubio. Today, it's Flynn. I wonder who it'll be when Flynn disappoints him.

Posted by: Demosthenes at June 30, 2015 11:26 PM (u35xj)

442 I am sure it's OK to smoke in your own house if it is Marijuana.

Posted by: burt at July 01, 2015 08:26 AM (ls8AU)

443 Fascist Jerry Brown hates our lawns.

They hate most everything about us. Why do we keep electing them?

Love the Mike Flynn quote BTW. It should be shouted from the rooftops. But shouting from the rooftops is probably illegal too.

Posted by: pj at July 01, 2015 11:02 AM (cHuNI)

444 Let's go Flynn!!!!!


First and 444th bitches.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 06:44 PM (q5APL)

445 A few years ago, Ace was slobbering over Rubio. Today, it's Flynn. I wonder who it'll be when Flynn disappoints him.

We have a winner ...

... nobody's coming to save us, Ace. Nobody.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 01, 2015 06:44 PM (FAbks)

446 ummmm.... that fresh new thread smell....

hey, wait a minute!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2015 06:44 PM (RiMtm)

447 "Because you want to stay smug and ignorant."

funny how those two are almost always a matched pair...

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 01, 2015 06:46 PM (RiMtm)

448 I trust the state because no state in history has ever let any of its citizens down. I'm a smarty pants!!!!

Posted by: Seattle Slough at July 01, 2015 06:49 PM (Q7Que)

449 It's like deja vu all over again...

Posted by: tu3031 at July 01, 2015 06:50 PM (YFFpo)

450 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 06:50 PM (kff5f)

451 Donated $100.

Posted by: Longtime Reader, First-time Commenter at July 01, 2015 06:51 PM (2HqwF)

452 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.




part deux.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 06:51 PM (kff5f)

453 Whoa. Major time warp.

We may have a chance.

Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 06:51 PM (48QDY)

454 I'm actually an ignorant twat but I feel so superior.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at July 01, 2015 06:52 PM (Q7Que)

455 I'm actually an ignorant twat but I feel so superior.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at July 01, 2015 06:52 PM (Q7Que)

But that's all that really counts, right!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 06:53 PM (ftVQq)

456 A re-issue.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 01, 2015 06:53 PM (LA7Cm)

457 Whoa. Major time warp.
Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 06:51 PM (48QDY)


Let's do it again.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 06:53 PM (kff5f)

458 Have you heard another politician talking about this?

There are a lot of things politicians don't talk about for some as-yet-unexplained reason.

Inflation. The unsustainable level of federal debt. Millions of Americans unable to find work. Unnecessary overregulation and the burden on the economy. UnConstitutional SCOTUS rulings sidestepping the clear will of the people. George Soros paying protestors to destroy property while the local police are ordered to stand down during a riot.

And that's just off the top of my head.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 06:53 PM (eEb+d)

459 Ace,

One slight disagreement. Your experience quitting smoking is not universal. You are absolutely correct that smoking is stupid and that everyone should and can quit. Degree of addiction and pain suffered from withdrawal, however, is determined by the genetic characteristics of the smoker and they vary to an extraordinary event.

I've had my genome sequenced and analyzed by some of the best genomists on the planet and now know why it was such a bitch for me to quit while others have a much easier time. I've got all the nicotine addition alleles.

No big deal, however. The entire drug regulatory industry makes the same one-size-fits-all mistake, requiring that (almost all) drugs work for everyone regardless of their differing DNA.

BS

Posted by: BenSpinoza at July 01, 2015 06:54 PM (BlklO)

460 UnConstitutional SCOTUS rulings sidestepping the clear will of the people

I don't know why this just came to me, but...

You know how we occasionally say "Make me king for a day..." or whatever?

Yeah, SCOTUS really has that power. And look what they do with it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 06:55 PM (kff5f)

461 George Soros paying protestors

Why is it that no one on the Right ever does this? I'd be more than happy to be a paid protestor sometime.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 06:56 PM (kff5f)

462 Yeah, SCOTUS really has that power. And look what they do with it.

Funny how they never seem to increase our freedom by denying Fedzilla anything it wishes.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 06:56 PM (eEb+d)

463 Aight.

I'm out.

If dumbabroad comes back, give s/h/it a slap upside the back of the head for me.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 06:57 PM (kff5f)

464 Found a place online that sells scotch eggs:

melburyandappleton.co.uk


Out of stock at the mo'. They are in London so don't know what shipping would be like.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 01, 2015 06:57 PM (LA7Cm)

465
Posted by: seattle slough

This asshole was here yesterday?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 06:58 PM (uoqdk)

466 England v Japan, World Cup semi-final:

GO ENGLAND!! Remember Singapore! (and the Prince of Wales, and Hong Kong, and Burma, and Malaya......)

Posted by: goatexchange at July 01, 2015 06:58 PM (Nd4YY)

467 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 06:55 PM (kff5f)

Same here. We talk about the "Nine" or the "Five".

Many times it is just "One" imperfect soul in a robe making the decision. The entire nation flipping to the whim of one person.

Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 06:58 PM (48QDY)

468
This post seems to be confusing the Natives.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 06:59 PM (uoqdk)

469 Is it ok to post a new OT when the post is bumped and has over 450 comments? Okay then...

OMG, OMG.

The Utah SJWs have been screaming and wailing these
last few weeks, due to the gay guy in SLC that had the words "Die F*g"
carved into his arm. Because hate crime, right?

Turns out
according to Drudge, the guy did it to himself to get attention from
family, and then other unconnected people heard about it and blew it up
into national news.

Apparently the guy is undergoing medical
treatment. THANK GOODNESS ONE OF THESE CRY WOLF CRAZIES IS. FINALLY. I
thought something was weird when the initial reports said this happened
ages ago, but the family never brought it to attention of the
authorities. Sounds like we now know why! Guy says he is glad this
happened to shed light on the issues. Yeah the issue is you are cray
cray and need help!

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 07:00 PM (hvf9s)

470 The entire nation flipping to the whim of one person.
Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 06:58 PM (48QDY)

Must be nice.

Think about the power.

Like having a 16 inch dick.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:01 PM (AkOaV)

471 In Ace's defense, I was very big on Rubio as well.


Nobody's perfect!!!

Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 07:02 PM (q5APL)

472
Turns out according to Drudge, the guy did it to himself to get attention from family, and then other unconnected people heard about it and blew it up
into national news.


I heard this today, but only on Blaze News.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 07:02 PM (uoqdk)

473 Is Rush going to be on on Friday? Or will he be off and have a guest host? Will they do an open line Friday? Because if so I would love to see an effort to bombard calls to the show to talk about the special election and Flynn.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 07:02 PM (z/Ubi)

474 Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 07:02 PM (z/Ubi)

believe it or not, I know the answer.

No, rush is out -- that guy with two ericks in his name will be on.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:03 PM (AkOaV)

475 461 George Soros paying protestors

Why is it that no one on the Right ever does this? I'd be more than happy to be a paid protestor sometime.

------------

Trust me, they could never afford my hourly rate.

Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at July 01, 2015 07:04 PM (CzBeD)

476
In like Flynn....


I've seen this post somewhere before.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 07:05 PM (MDgS8)

477 $25 sent, Ace, with thanks for all you do.

Posted by: Agent-J at July 01, 2015 07:05 PM (ueOgE)

478 No, rush is out -- that guy with two ericks in his name will be on.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:03 PM (AkOaV)

Good, now I get to have an additional three hours in my day!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 07:05 PM (ftVQq)

479
474 Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 07:02 PM (z/Ubi)

believe it or not, I know the answer.

No, rush is out -- that guy with two ericks in his name will be on.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:03 PM (AkOaV)



Ugh. I doubt he would do an open line.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 07:05 PM (z/Ubi)

480 No, rush is out -- that guy with two ericks in his name will be on.

Forced to take Friday off, said Rush.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 07:05 PM (eEb+d)

481 No, rush is out -- that guy with two ericks in his name will be on. Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:03 PM (AkOaV)

Good, then I don't have to feel bad about missing it! (I kid, sorta. Faves are Steyn and Sexton.)

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 07:06 PM (hvf9s)

482 I'm loving all the rationalizations that I'm seeing which are desperately clinging to the idea that the Slippery Slope argument is a fallacy instead of a logical extrapolation which predicts likely consequences of a given action.


"We don't care that you said this would happen!! The Slippery Slope is a fallacy; therefore, reality is wrong!"

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:06 PM (xSCb6)

483 Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at July 01, 2015 07:04 PM (CzBeD)

Well played.

Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 07:07 PM (48QDY)

484 Steyn is the best illegal alien guest host Rush has, IMO.

I don't listen to anyone else, because I have and don't care for them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 07:07 PM (eEb+d)

485 I am sending some more $$ to Flynn, but is he wins, I expect Boehner to put him on the Janitorial Service Subcommittee in charge of recycling Boehner's empty liquor bottles.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 07:07 PM (ftVQq)

486 is<-if

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 07:08 PM (ftVQq)

487 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 07:05 PM (eEb+d)

Catherine busting his balls?

Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 07:08 PM (48QDY)

488 Catherine busting his balls?

If he went into the details, I missed it. Just caught bits and pieces of his show today.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 07:09 PM (eEb+d)

489 Faves are Steyn and Sexton.)
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 07:06 PM (hvf9s)

Yeah. I rarely listen to Rush, but I try to catch the recordings of the show when Steyns on.

Sometimes I catch rush in the car (I drive a lot with my job)... but talk radio kind of pisses me off -- too many commercials.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:09 PM (AkOaV)

490 Catherine busting his balls?

Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 07:08 PM (48QDY)

They're working on publishing the book series in Arabic!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 07:09 PM (ftVQq)

491
Has anyone seen my Levi cutoff's? A shark slipped my shorts off, and I need to cover up my camel toe.

Posted by: Daisy Duke at July 01, 2015 07:09 PM (P330y)

492 This is all ties back to the first fake gay hate crime:


Matthew Shepherd. This really blows the whole fucking thing apart.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 07:10 PM (q5APL)

493 Steyn is hilariously funny but so right it is depressing.

Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 07:10 PM (48QDY)

494 Seattle slough has no idea of the range of Christian thought. They are a pleasanter. less obsessive flip side of fromabroad. I have never heard them address ANY issue here but gay marriage. Nada. Zippo Zilch Fortunately the gays I know can talk about quite a few issues (and yes, SS, some of them are gay ministers).

God may very well be judging the U.S. but it's probably due to a lot of things.

BTW, you want to talk about freedom, take a look at the writings of this guy. He was imprisoned in Lubyianka prison and in the gulags-A priest born in
PA. He knows more about the depth of Christian faith than you could ever hope to know. Here he writes on freedom:

http://tinyurl.com/oge5wlh

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2015 07:11 PM (OSs/l)

495 I just donated $25 to Flynn.

I am better than all you cheap bastards who didn't do jack squat.

BETTER THAN YOU, jerk.

Posted by: twoslaps at July 01, 2015 07:11 PM (8Ogxy)

496 485 I am sending some more $$ to Flynn, but is he wins, I expect Boehner to put him on the Janitorial Service Subcommittee in charge of recycling Boehner's empty liquor bottles.

---------

He who controls Boehner's liquor bottles controls the national legislative agenda.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 01, 2015 07:11 PM (CzBeD)

497 BTW Ace, where do we go if we want to do some volunteering for Flynn, phone bank and shit???



Gracias.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 07:11 PM (q5APL)

498 Anybody do the gozintas on what 13 tons of gold is worth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 07:11 PM (eEb+d)

499 >>>Screw the kids<<<

Precisely. Give them lead paint chips, mercury, and fcuking dead vermin to play with, and let God/Darwin sort them out.

Special snowflakes grow up to be useless, dog-eating, government nanny-state layabouts.

Posted by: Fritz at July 01, 2015 07:11 PM (o/UmK)

500 Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 07:10 PM (q5APL)


It's turtles and bullsh!t all the way down the slippery slope!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 07:11 PM (ftVQq)

501 Really BenSpinoza???!!!!



My problem has always been, and still is, booze. If I go on the wagon for a month I think I can kick it wholly.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 07:12 PM (q5APL)

502 Slough definition

a swamp.

a situation characterized by lack of progress or activity:

And they only talk about one subject. Hmmmmmm.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2015 07:13 PM (OSs/l)

503 Hrothgar:

No fucking shit. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 07:13 PM (q5APL)

504 >>> Anybody do the gozintas on what 13 tons of gold is worth?

If they were actually going to use it for something useful, like fighting ISIS, I'd not be completely adverse. But it will be used on building nuclear bombs, propaganda against the Great Satan, lining leaders' pockets, and undermining the US. So yaaaaaaaaaay.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 07:14 PM (hvf9s)

505 Seattle, I actually agree with you in both sides having their freedom hang-ups--but:

While Libertarians seem to practice what they preach when it comes to freedom and social issues, they basically parrot liberal views on those subjects.

The thing liberals don't get about libertarians is that they their economic policies as an aspect of freedom.

Christian Conservatives are the least free and least free loving people in the country.[i/]

A couple things.

1. Whatever you tell me, I simply will not believe you have anything more than a passing or secondhand acquaintance with practicing Christians in order to say that.

2. There are people who oppose the state sanctioning gay marriage for religious reasons. In that area, you'd have a point. What you skip over is A.) the parts where this extends to forcing individuals to do things against their religious beliefs and B.) how this came about--conservative having a problem with the Supreme Court appearing to legislate on its own.

And if you don't believe that people actually have a problem with the Supreme Court acting like it did (that it's just a cover for opposing gay marriage), consider the fact that while there were conservative groups opposing this at the state level--the victories of SSM at the state level didn't cause anywhere near the level of fuss that this ruling did.

Posted by: AD at July 01, 2015 07:14 PM (yBmlR)

506 Italics. Always gets me.

Posted by: AD at July 01, 2015 07:15 PM (yBmlR)

507 Soothsayer:

I'm here right now.

And I'm still wondering why, if Conservatives love freedom so much, you still have to go to a liberal state (like mine) to smoke recreational weed legally. And why did anti-sodomy laws remain on the books in conservative states longer than elsewhere?*

After all, as ace put in bold up there: "A free people is only free if it is permitted to do the WRONG thing, as well as the right thing."

So really my question is, why are conservatives only for freedom when they are paying it lip service and never for freedom when it involves something they don't personally want to take part in?

*Lawrence v. Texas struck down all extant anti-sodomy laws in 2003. The States impacted? Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, N. Carolina, Oklahoma, S. Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Virginia (which was only partway "for lovers," apparently). Of those 14 states, only one, Michigan, is typically a blue state.

Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 07:15 PM (mCz8+)

508 Ot, about six years ago a military recruiter (iirc) was killed by an islamist in LR. Apparently they had to do a ton of work behind the scenes to get him a Purple Heart for a terrorist attack in the us but it's finally done and he had his ceremony today.

Nice to see something other than fires and shootings and weather on the local news.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 07:15 PM (3+V5e)

509 That will piss off a few volcanoes. Not enough virgins to extinguish that kind of smoke.

If not for smoke and drink, I think your world would end, with extra carbon credits.

And raining fishes. The forms of reality should be respected.

Posted by: first and last at July 01, 2015 07:15 PM (1eYr7)

510 Why do unions hate the children???
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn!

They don't, they're their money train.

Posted by: skip at July 01, 2015 07:16 PM (xth/R)

511 God is not a totaliitarian. My guess is you have no clue about what is said in the NT or by the saints about freedom in Christ. In fact, the words about God being a totalitarian indicates you're probably a militant Atheist. I try not to discuss faith with militant Atheists. It's pointless. My error.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2015 07:18 PM (OSs/l)

512 Freedom is only about teh buttsecks and getting high!

Posted by: Seattle stupid at July 01, 2015 07:18 PM (z/Ubi)

513 Posted by: Fritz at July 01, 2015 07:11 PM (o/UmK)

Yumm... Lead paint chips -- one of my favorites!

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 01, 2015 07:19 PM (AkOaV)

514 Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 07:15 PM (mCz8+)

colorado is a purple state. i think (hope) we'll see that libertarian spirit spread.

As for sodomy laws? You're kidding, right?

One of the last states to have a law against contraception was ultra-blue Connecticut.

hint: none of these laws were enforced. In Lawrence v Texas, just as in Griswold v Connecticut, it was political activists who created the case in order to get it to the courts. Which is fine! I'm all for challenging bad laws.

But let's not pretend people were being locked up in Texas for being gay before Lawrence v Texas.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:21 PM (AkOaV)

515 Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 07:15 PM

Freedom without virtue and responsibility is useless. Worse than useless, actively malignant. Saying "I'm in favor of freedom" is like saying "I like nice things".

Permitting people to do the wrong thing is great if there's some kind of feedback mechanism to let them know they're doing the wrong thing. The left, and the effects of post-industrial capitalism, are destroying these feedback loops everywhere.

Posted by: kartoffel at July 01, 2015 07:22 PM (fVxXv)

516 Of course, the Liberturdian must, MUST talk about the ability to smoke weed.


As I always say, you get on board with rolling back the Welfare State, and then I'll get on board with legalizing weed.


Until then, when I'm going to be expected to pick up the public health tab? Go fvck yourself until you unfvck your priorities.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:22 PM (xSCb6)

517 14 states criminalized gay sex and sodomy????



Now that sounds like gays fucking is truly ingrained in the deep culture and history of this nation.


Of course, what that loser troll fails to explain, is that Lawrence was A COMPLETE SET-UP. It was a fake prosecution in a fake jurisdiction done FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE of obtaining Sup Ct review.


Brought to you by the same monkey courts that went after Delay, etc.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 07:23 PM (q5APL)

518 kartoffel -- excellent.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 07:23 PM (MDgS8)

519 It is broadly similar to school vouchers and while it seems to work well in Belgium, I think most Morons are smart and cynical enough to see how it would either be destroyed or exploited by the educrat leftists in the US.

I don't see how it ever would even begin to get implemented -- the all-powerful teachers' unions would pitch a bloody fit 24/7 and that would be the end of that.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 01, 2015 07:23 PM (u07AL)

520
You're confusing Conservatives for cocksucking potsmoking libertarians.

You know Nothing about neither conservatism nor freedom.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 07:24 PM (uoqdk)

521 a new regulation costing $100 million, they must offset that by taking a regulation worth $100 million off the books

Sold.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 01, 2015 07:24 PM (CFcIt)

522 Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:22 PM (xSCb6)

Yeah, I don't like that line of thinking. Because the "we pay for your medical care" line of thinking (from our socialized medicine system) is what leads to things, like, teachers throwing out kids lunch foods.

...or banning alcohol
...or banning transfats, sugar, big gulps, etc. etc.

But I agree. Let's end welfare.

But let's not pretend that legalizing weed will get MORE people on welfare. The people who want to smoke weed already do, and the people who want to be on welfare already are.

There is overlap in a venn diagram, but it is not a cause of causation.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:24 PM (AkOaV)

523 Posted by: kartoffel at July 01, 2015 07:22 PM (fVxXv)


Said it way nicer than I did.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:24 PM (xSCb6)

524
Yeah, if conservatives love freedom so much why aren't they anarchists???

Good question, dummy.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 07:25 PM (uoqdk)

525 Could we just put Seattle slough and Fromabroad in a little room for a very long time? I'm not sure who the third member of this unhappy little triad of a political No Exit" would be.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2015 07:25 PM (OSs/l)

526 why do unions hate children? They don't. Not anymore than a kidnapper hates the kidnapped.

Posted by: simplemind at July 01, 2015 07:25 PM (BTnAK)

527
Hey, stupid, if conservatives love freedom so much why they so against pedos getting their rocks off??

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 07:26 PM (uoqdk)

528 Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 07:15 PM (mCz8+)

so basically you're all about the buggery? and the weed......i didn't forget the weed.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 01, 2015 07:26 PM (0O7c5)

529 Said it way nicer than I did.
Posted by: Burn the Witch

I prefer the way you put it.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 07:26 PM (tgnRB)

530 So are we all going to be auto-banned for commentingon this old thread?

Posted by: irright at July 01, 2015 07:27 PM (DtNNC)

531

In the previous thread, we were discussing the famous AOS tshirts. I could not remember our beautiful model. Now i do.

bbeck is what she went by, and here is the shirt post:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/129855.php

If you continue to scroll down, you will see that ace is much nicer to you special snowflakes than you deserve. The whole world is going to shit, largely because we have all become sensitive little mewling quims. Ace sure has mellowed out in the last decade, even as he has gotten close to my political outlook.

Posted by: imp at July 01, 2015 07:27 PM (XIXZz)

532 you guys sure seem to have strong feelings on pot.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:27 PM (AkOaV)

533 I don't see how it ever would even begin to get implemented -- the all-powerful teachers' unions would pitch a bloody fit 24/7 and that would be the end of that.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 01, 2015 07:23 PM (u07AL)

Whatever are you talking about?

Posted by: Chicago Teachers Union bankrupting Chicago at July 01, 2015 07:27 PM (48QDY)

534 ***"Yeah, I don't like that line of thinking."***


I don't like it either, but it's the reality the Left has built for us. These useless big L libertarians talk a great game about liberty, but their practical application begins and ends with legalizing pot. I just can't get on board with that.


We'll have to agree to disagree about more people getting on weed with welfare. Once you remove any sort of restrictions to access based on marijuana usage? Yeah...

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:28 PM (xSCb6)

535 In the previous thread, we were discussing the famous AOS tshirts. I could not remember our beautiful model. Now i do.

bbeck is what she went by, and here is the shirt post:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/129855.php

Posted by: imp at July 01, 2015 07:27 PM (XIXZz)


Very nice ... but WTFFFFF is that below her??

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 07:29 PM (MYSVz)

536 it really comes down to a simple formulation: all freedoms and rights reside in the people precedent to government. our government is designed, uniquely in the world, by it's restrictions.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:31 PM (CrYC8)

537 ***"Very nice ... but WTFFFFF is that below her??"***


I lolled pretty hard.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:31 PM (xSCb6)

538
525 Could we just put Seattle slough and Fromabroad in a little room for a very long time? I'm not sure who the third member of this unhappy little triad of a political No Exit" would be.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2015 07:25 PM (OSs/l)


Mr. Moo Moo. I already suggested several months back that he and fromabroad need to be chained together and thrown overboard.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 07:31 PM (z/Ubi)

539 Ditching parasite sock.

Posted by: Golfman at July 01, 2015 07:31 PM (48QDY)

540 Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:28 PM (xSCb6)

I'll put it this way: there are no restrictions on accessing marijuana.

You can order it online and have USPS deliver it to your door, you can get it from "medical patients" you know, more and more people grow their own, the streets, schools, and prisons are full of it, and there is nowhere in america where you can't find weed within 30 minutes. Usually pretty easily.

Even USA Today (I think) had an article out the other day on how marijuana prices have crashed in the last year or so from over supply -- something my marijuana smoking friends confirm. 30-40% drop in price in a year, it's unheard of.

So ... yeah, I don't think keeping it illegal is limiting access at all. Just punishing those who are unlucky enough to get caught with it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:31 PM (AkOaV)

541 everywhere else, the govt. defines the people's rights.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:32 PM (CrYC8)

542 We'll have to agree to disagree about more people getting on weed with welfare. Once you remove any sort of restrictions to access based on marijuana usage? Yeah...
Posted by: Burn the Witch

Most of the welfare cases I've met were all more-or-less daily smokers. They can't afford to feed themselves or their kids, but they can afford to stay high nearly all the time.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 07:32 PM (tgnRB)

543 Ace, good luck to your buddy Flynn. I'm supporting him in spirit, about the only way I can afford to these days.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 07:33 PM (eEb+d)

544 ... and this extraordinary idea was carefully considered and thought through by those remarkable enlightenment men, the founders, to PREVENT TYRANNY.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:34 PM (CrYC8)

545 >>>Very nice ... but WTFFFFF is that below her?<<<

The Original Tea Bagger. You're welcome.

Posted by: Fritz at July 01, 2015 07:34 PM (o/UmK)

546 Most of the welfare cases I've met were all more-or-less daily smokers. They can't afford to feed themselves or their kids, but they can afford to stay high nearly all the time.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 07:32 PM (tgnRB)

I'm not disagreeing that people who don't work are more likely to drink alcohol and smoke weed. They have more time on their hands.

I'm just saying that I have never seen any evidence of a statistically significant causation there. That smoking weed means you'll be a loser.

I think there are a lot of losers who smoke weed, but there are also a long of losers who don't smoke weed.

And I know a lot of really successful people with good jobs and families and responsibilities who smoke weed.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:35 PM (AkOaV)

547 Mr. Moo Moo

LOL; Good choice./

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2015 07:35 PM (OSs/l)

548 obama's project, his fundamental transformation, is to reverse this equation, to establish a preeminent and omnipotent government.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:35 PM (CrYC8)

549 ... in this, he lays the foundation for fascism.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:36 PM (CrYC8)

550 536 it really comes down to a simple formulation: all freedoms and rights reside in the people precedent to government. our government is designed, uniquely in the world, by it's restrictions.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:31 PM (CrYC


Not exactly. The Jewish nation had many of the rights (and responsibilities) of the people defined in the Torah, which no government could violate. This was the first instance of a previously established supreme law which all governments to follow ere bound by - very much in the same way that our Constitution was the Supreme Law. Of course, the Torah did not allow for the amending process

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 07:37 PM (MYSVz)

551 obama's relationship to the constitution is like marx's relationship to capitalism.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:38 PM (CrYC8)

552 Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:31 PM (AkOaV)


That's fine, but usage is increasing. That's a simple fact. And the majority of users are college aged or younger. So far, the only real health risks associated are pretty serious permanent psychological issues that occur in these younger users. And guess who's gonna end up footing the bill. Do I want to foot the bill? No. Am I going to? Abso-fucking-lutely.


You legalize it, you're gonna get more of this. Period.

Now, which is the greater threat to freedom? Some kids potentially getting in trouble from possession, or people who don't give the first shit about weed having to pay for its consequences?

You show me the societal benefit from legalizing it and therefore increasing my costs and I'm on board. Until then, if they'd devote more energy to rolling back the welfare state and less to the desire to smoke a bowl with even less fear than they do now, we'd all be better off.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:38 PM (xSCb6)

553 Where's Soona at? What the hell is going on in Oklahoma?

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 07:39 PM (Q4pU/)

554 They're working on publishing the book series in Arabic!


Xlnt. The books are in Spanish too.

He's a one-man wrecking crew through the progressive's long march.

Posted by: LIV at July 01, 2015 07:40 PM (cHuNI)

555 warren Wilhelm II (deblasio's real name) should make all smokers wear a yellow cigarette shaped patch.

Posted by: avi at July 01, 2015 07:42 PM (4bND1)

556 Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:35 PM (AkOaV)

One of the simple problems with legalizing weed is that there is no effective and noninvasive means for testing whether someone is high and how high he is. As pot is legalized (and driving stoned is about the same as driving drunk) the governments and petty tyrants will be pushing for more and more invasive means to test all of us, so that they can get a handle on the potheads they've unleashed on the roads. Frankly, they've well overstepped any Constitutional bounds with the insane random alcohol checkpoints (which they now have for friggin seatbelts!!! which is alos none of their fukcing business) that I really don't want to start venturing down that avenue for pot.

Aside from that, the fact that the great majority of pot supporters want to ban everyone from smoking cigarettes everywhere (including in our own houses and private businesses) should let everyone know how low and despicable these people tend to be and what one can expect by giving them anything.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 07:42 PM (MYSVz)

557 If I was the governor of Oklahoma I would post the National Guard to secure the Ten Commandments and tell the OK SC that they may have ruled on it but now try to enforce it. They would likely impeach me but so be it. Someone has to light the fuse.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 07:42 PM (Q4pU/)

558 Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:38 PM (xSCb6)

Usage is increasing? I'm pretty sure that the latest numbers I saw from the CDC (and I could be wrong) say drug usage is down among teens.

But even if that were true -- so what?

Your standard is "show the societal benefit"? So alcohol should still be illegal?

CLEARLY alcohol costs "society" a lot more then it benefits "society."

Or tobacco.

Or transfats. Or Big Gulps. Or motorcycles. Or guns. Or (take your pick of liberal pet peeves).

Just saying. That's why I'm opposed to the federal government making unconstitutional laws prohibiting the possession of substances. Because it's a very slippery slope, and we have to accept the liberals' premise (that the federal government can tell us what to do and how to live our lives outside of its enumerated power constraints).

My two cents anyways.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:42 PM (AkOaV)

559 That Dutch regulation thingy.

Another excellent idea that no one but Flynn talks about. It makes sense tho', so forget about it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 07:43 PM (eEb+d)

560 "Contribute if you can, and if you can't, please volunteer to make calls in the district, and spread this post around." -Ace

That's what will save the republic, getting involved and contributing. Action steps are a great way to mobilize the morons. I'll send the guy $100 even though I left NY when Bloomberg got elected because you asked and because DrewM hasn't wished death on my country this week on your dime.

Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 01, 2015 07:44 PM (EgbCN)

561 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 07:42 PM (MYSVz)


Exactly. The whole legalize weed movement is so fvcking patently dishonest and unprioritized as to be a joke.


But we'll get legalized weed and a bigger welfare state.


FREEDOM!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:45 PM (xSCb6)

562 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 07:42 PM (MYSVz)

Yeah, but the decision isn't between "let people smoke weed and drive" and "don't let people smoke weed and drive".

It's long been illegal to drive under the influence of drugs and alcohol. A simple field sobriety test convicts thousands of people a year of operating under the influence of something other than alcohol. If you can't past the field sobriety test, the cops can bring you to jail.

And the saliva test is looking promising.

But even if it isn't, who cares? If the person is driving recklessly, ticket them for that, give them a field sobriety test (count to 10 holding your foot of the ground, etc.), and arrest them or send them on their way based on the results. Whether they're high, drunk, tired, hung over or just stupid.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:46 PM (AkOaV)

563 As long as we don't recycle Rape Tuesday - because sloppy seconds.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 07:46 PM (DL2i+)

564 10 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 30, 2015 02:05 PM (kff5f)

You are a complete idiot.

Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 01, 2015 07:46 PM (EgbCN)

565 I've been jet-bombed out of my office, surrounded by braying jackass effete Park Avenue cocktail party socialists, harassed by a cynical phony borderline personality disordered mayor ... and I still can't leave New York.

Posted by: gzulux at July 01, 2015 07:46 PM (2pOTb)

566 Alright, how many assholes we got in this thread?

I see Burn The Witch, so that's at least one....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 07:46 PM (GEICT)

567 Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:45 PM (xSCb6)

I ending marijuana prohibition will increase the size of the welfare state, or the percentage of the population that smokes pot.

But whatever, it's not an issue I'm particularly passionate about.

But you're losing a lot of people who otherwise would agree with you when you take such a hard line against something that you say you don't really care about.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:48 PM (AkOaV)

568 I'm convinced they're sexually bent.

You've just fully explained:

1. Their bizarre quest for absolute power over other people.

2. Their ridiculous avoidance of fact concerning blacks and black culture.

3. Their nasty demeanor at ANYTHING they disagree with.

Bravo!!

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 01, 2015 07:48 PM (CFcIt)

569 I ending

I don't believe ending *

Not sure what happened there. Weird edit.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:49 PM (AkOaV)

570 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 07:46 PM (GEICT)

I'd say I'm fairly well qualified to be an asshole. So two.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:49 PM (AkOaV)

571 Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:42 PM (AkOaV)

So what? I already answered this question in a previous post.

And we weren't talking abut alchohol, or tobacco were we?

Both of those are currently legal are they not? We're not having a discussion about making them illegal are we?

So, we're talking about making a change to the legality of marijuana usage. That's the subject.

As I've clearly stated, I don't have a problem making any substance legal. But our society, as currently constructed, will expect me to pay for that. So until you fix that, you're only adding to the problem.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:50 PM (xSCb6)

572
I quit smoking. At about 9:00am.
Then I quit again about 9:30am.
Then I quit again about 10:00am.
Then I quit again...

Posted by: Barry Purple Lips Hussein at July 01, 2015 07:50 PM (wAQA5)

573 Aside from that, the fact that the great majority of pot supporters want to ban everyone from smoking cigarettes everywhere (including in our own houses and private businesses) should let everyone know how low and despicable these people tend to be and what one can expect by giving them anything.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Exactly. The whole legalize weed movement is so fvcking patently dishonest and unprioritized as to be a joke.


But we'll get legalized weed and a bigger welfare state.
Posted by: Burn the Witch

The legalize weed movement is (ironically) all about control. Why is George Soros one of the biggest funders of this? Does he really care if some schlub can legally get high? It's about keeping the proletariate docile, the same way the Soviets used vodka. Pot is soma.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 07:50 PM (tgnRB)

574 566 Alright, how many assholes we got in this thread?

I see Burn The Witch, so that's at least one....
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 07:46 PM (GEICT)

I maintain the RIGHT to be an asshole, even if I choose not to be one, thanks.

Or, I might so choose.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2015 07:51 PM (+YMhA)

575 And the saliva test is looking promising.

Promising for what? No one has any idea how much weed is "too much" and how that differs from person to person.

Further, weed lingers in your system. A long, long time. It isn't like being drunk, at all. Someone who smokes weed and gets fairly high is not going to be down in even a few hours - even if he feels fine. Weed alters perceptions and reactions for many, many hours after a single use, and daily users would have to be, basically, banned from driving, at all.

But even if it isn't, who cares? If the person is driving recklessly, ticket them for that, give them a field sobriety test (count to 10 holding your foot of the ground, etc.), and arrest them or send them on their way based on the results. Whether they're high, drunk, tired, hung over or just stupid.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:46 PM (AkOaV)


yeah ... I'm sure that's how things are going to go.

I mean, come on. YOU don't really believe that fantasy land future that you desire? You know that will never be what happens, but we will all be subject to more and more invasive, offensive and un-Constitutional searches and tests just so a bunch of pot heads can have their weed over the counter.

You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. So, just admit it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 07:51 PM (MYSVz)

576 I'd say I'm fairly well qualified to be an asshole. So two.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:49 PM (AkOaV)



That's 3 actually. You, me and Burn the Witch.


I know you other fuckers are assholes. Don't try to deny it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 07:51 PM (GEICT)

577 Does this cigarette make my lips look purple?

Posted by: Barry Hussein lighting up after lunch of hotDOGS at July 01, 2015 07:52 PM (wAQA5)

578 Great positions. Wow, humility? What's that? Get the government out of our lives. I contributed. Hope he wins!

Posted by: pyromancer76 at July 01, 2015 07:52 PM (zvcr8)

579 I maintain the RIGHT to be an asshole, even if I choose not to be one, thanks.

Or, I might so choose.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2015 07:51 PM (+YMhA)



That was an asshole comment for sure. We're up to 4.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 07:52 PM (GEICT)

580 Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:42 PM (AkOaV)

The government also legislates morality when they enact laws against murder, theft , prostitution, age of consent and any other number of vices and actions. Most are enacted because it is what society demands not because government demands society to accept it.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 07:52 PM (Q4pU/)

581 My two cents anyways.

Don't forget about corrupt politicians being owned by the mafia. It's part of just about every mob movie ever made for a good reason. They even brag about it.

Think about how much money the mob made during prohibition and tell me that they couldn't "persuade" some slimy pol they own to start demagogging pot in order to make it illegal.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 01, 2015 07:52 PM (eEb+d)

582 I'm an asshole.

Posted by: Barry Purple Lips Hussein at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (wAQA5)

583 I won't be happy until I can smoke weed out of a butthole in public!

Posted by: Real Capital L Libertarian at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (uE1QB)

584 Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:50 PM (xSCb6)

Prove to me that legalizing marijuana will increase the outlays of welfare.

Show me some historic evidence -- did the end of alcohol prohibition place a similar burden on charities of the day? I don't know.

But that's a big claim... the corner stone of your argument... and I have never seen any evidence that's its true.

And common sense would say it's not. Because like I said, marijuana is already incredibly readily available anywhere in this country -- including in government schools and prisons.

So I'm not convinced that legalizing marijuana would lead to any long term increase in usage.

But I do believe it would keep a lot of people out of the criminal justice system. Which would definitely save money long term.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (AkOaV)

585 primordial: i disagree with your analogy (if i read you right) - the supreme law of the constitution is not like the supreme law of the talmud. here, the supreme law is all rights and freedoms outside of the restrictions set on government. the "talmud" of america is, in a word, freedom.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (CrYC8)

586 This thread reeks of pot farts.

For some fun Hillary emails check my nic

Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (NrRes)

587 ***"But you're losing a lot of people who otherwise would agree with you when you take such a hard line against something that you say you don't really care about.


Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:48 PM (AkOaV)"***


I doubt very seriously I have an audience to lose. Hard line I like to think of it as a prinicpled position, but your mileage apparently varies.


And you seem to be missing the point. I don't want to care about weed, but I'm being made to care about it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:54 PM (xSCb6)

588 Oh and yes, I'm an asshole. Apparently I got special recognition last week!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:55 PM (xSCb6)

589 121 OK, but what about if you're smoking POT in your home?

Presumably that is perfectly OK with the left-fascists, because pot is Cool and Tobacco is Uncool.

Let's sweep away the lies and just say it out loud:

90% of the left's attempts at social control are simply attempt to outlaw behaviors they perceived as favoed or engaged in by 'traditional" "conservative" "old-school" "white" etc. people.

Thus, a liberal can simulataneously demand that cigarettes be outlawed but marijuana be legalized.

Why? Because (in their conception of social reality) marijuana is a leftist intoxicant favored by the "counter-culture" while nicotine is a right-wing intoxicant favored by the "dominant culture."

"The Man" smokes cigars. "The Rebels" smoke weed.

That's all there is to it. THey want to subvert the social order.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "public health," nor even with wanting to create a totalitarian society. (They probably don't even realize they are totalitarians.)

All they want to do is flip the social roles of old fogeys vs. hippies -- put the hippies in charge. Because -- heh heh heh -- they would be so funny and just blow everyone's mind, dude!

Same is true for most of the crap the Left pulls and explains their relentless hypocricy.

Ban Christianity -- but encourage Islam. Why? Because old white conservatives are Christian. That's all.

Promote homosexuality but make college sex practically illegal in all manifestations. Why? Because traditional conservatives are straight.

Etc. etc. etc.

It's absolute juvenile revenge fantasy, leftover from the '60s. That's all it is. The younger generation of activist are automatons acting out the revenge fantasies of their professors.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2015 02:27 PM (jBuUi)



That was an absolutely terrific comment, zombie.

And you know what? There are many conservatives who do the SAME DAMN THING when it comes to weed. It's only those filthy commie hippies who smoke it. Those conservatives are still stuck in the 60s too.

Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2015 07:55 PM (sdi6R)

590 What's all this talk about assholes?

Posted by: George Takei, I was Sulu, remember? at July 01, 2015 07:55 PM (tgnRB)

591 You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. So, just admit it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 07:51 PM (MYSVz)

well I don't KNOW what will happen, but I'm saying that when the cops say "can't legalize it. too hard to test for DUI." they're full of shit, because they charge people with DUI for smoking high all the time.

Cops just want to keep drugs illegal so they can keep that sweet, sweet civil forfeiture money coming in. Plus the cool MRAPs and awesome para military training.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:55 PM (AkOaV)

592 582 I'm an asshole.
Posted by: Barry Purple Lips Hussein at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (wAQA5)



There we go. An asshole and proud.

That's 5.


Come on you fucking asshole morons, I know you're an asshole, you know you're an asshole, everyone knows you're an asshole. You might as well just admit it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 07:55 PM (GEICT)

593 the gozintas on what 13 tons of gold is worth?

Pretty sure that's all timeseszes. Metric or Olde English, regular or fcukton? How many nukes does it gozinta.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 07:56 PM (DL2i+)

594 We won't recognize America in 6 months. Don't doubt me.

Posted by: Eromero at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (go5uR)

595 And you seem to be missing the point. I don't want to care about weed, but I'm being made to care about it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 07:54 PM (xSCb6)

Then stop using the implied and often times literal force of the government to enforce a law you don't care about.

People are sitting in jail right now for getting a violation of probation because they failed a piss test while on probation for possession of marijuana.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (AkOaV)

596 ... in fact, the constitution (i.e. the design of a federal govt) was only agreed to by defining its restrictions (the bill of rights - really a bill of restrictions on the govt.)

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (CrYC8)

597 586 This thread reeks of pot farts.

For some fun Hillary emails check my nic
Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (NrRes)

I thank God it isn't tap beer farts. Or dog wind. I'm never sure which is worse, and I'd rather not have the two to compare.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (+YMhA)

598 Come on you fucking asshole morons, I know you're an asshole, you know you're an asshole, everyone knows you're an asshole. You might as well just admit it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk

Hi. My name is Prince L, and I'm an asshole.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (tgnRB)

599 In addition to being a raging asshole, I'm a self whoring asshole.

So if you haven't listened to AtC and I's podcast...what the fuck is wrong with you?

Link is in the nic. Listen. Enjoy. Share.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 07:58 PM (GEICT)

600 I go way beyond asshole!

Posted by: Hugh Jass at July 01, 2015 07:58 PM (Ydaoe)

601 The Danish System.

I can dig it. I've got a selfie somewhere with that Danish Gal. Doesn't the Danish System use a lot of cartoons?

Posted by: Twitter Obozo at July 01, 2015 07:58 PM (ln4QS)

602 590 What's all this talk about assholes?
Posted by: George Takei, I was Sulu, remember? at July 01, 2015 07:55 PM (tgnRB)

All you need to know is, stay outta mine. Mmmmmkay?

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2015 07:59 PM (+YMhA)

603 The government also legislates morality when they enact laws against murder, theft , prostitution, age of consent and any other number of vices and actions. Most are enacted because it is what society demands not because government demands society to accept it.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 07:52 PM (Q4pU/)

Laws are not based on morality, they're based on natural law. Murdering someone is depriving them of their right to life. Stealing, property; rape, person; etc. etc.

Except prostitution. That ones a bullshit morality law.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:59 PM (AkOaV)

604 People are sitting in jail right now for getting a violation of probation because they failed a piss test while on probation for possession of marijuana.
_______

Geniuses and real winners, all.

Posted by: Kenway at July 01, 2015 07:59 PM (uE1QB)

605 Why do unions hate the children???
...
They don't, they're their money train.


I'm sure butchers love piglets.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 07:59 PM (DL2i+)

606 Hi. My name is Prince L, and I'm an asshole.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (tgnRB)



Hi Prince L! Welcome to being an asshole.

Freeing isn't it? You don't have to worry about what anyone else says. You don't have to worry about being politically correct. You can just state your opinion and if that pisses off people.....FUCKING GREAT.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:00 PM (GEICT)

607 Hi. My name is Prince L, and I'm an asshole.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (tgnRB)


Welcome Prince

Posted by: Assholes Anonymous, Meeting Tuesday Nights at the Church of the Holy Sphincter at July 01, 2015 08:00 PM (V+kmg)

608 Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (CrYC

I was making a bit of a stretch, though I stand by the rough analogy. I was referring more to the Torah than the Talmud.

I do agree with you that the US is a unique nation in terms of our governmental architecture (not to mention that we are one of the very few nations to have been built without any royal line running the executive to have to work around). This uniqueness is why the Founders made the "natural born citizen" requirement for the Presidency, in my opinion.

But I was saying that many of the rights of Jews in the Jewish nation were defined in the Torah and could not be abrogated or violated by any government of that nation.

The Jewish nation was also the first nation with citizenship based on a worldview and ideas (anyone could convert and become a Jew) - and nothing else - which the US became the only secular instance of.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 08:00 PM (MYSVz)

609 Except prostitution. That ones a bullshit morality law.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:59 PM (AkOaV)

Depends on whether you consider a person a subject or an object. Selling people is generally considered a bad idea, and selling sex is really just that.

Fine, if you think people are objects, to be bought and sold, but most people don't consider themselves that.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2015 08:01 PM (+YMhA)

610 Geniuses and real winners, all.
Posted by: Kenway at July 01, 2015 07:59 PM (uE1QB)

Fine. But you're the one paying to give those losers three squares and a bed, instead of them mooching off their parents.

Plus, there are people who aren't losers who get caught up in these laws too. Granted, many are smart enough to not get caught and if they get caught are smart enough to comply with the terms of probation... but others arent.

And at the end of the day, they're in jail because of a joint. Kind of silly.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 08:01 PM (AkOaV)

611 oh, and by the way, "ace",well done on the smoking. congrats and well worth reposting this for its encouragement to quit. well done.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 08:01 PM (CrYC8)

612 About the smoking, it's been nine years and I still think wistfully of it from time to time. Not enough to light up, but still.

Nicotine strokes a part of the brain that nothing else touches.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2015 08:03 PM (+YMhA)

613 Laws are not based on morality, they're based on natural law. Murdering someone is depriving them of their right to life. Stealing, property; rape, person; etc. etc.

Um, "Natural Law" is just morality under a different name.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 01, 2015 08:03 PM (a42f0)

614 Prove to me that legalizing marijuana will increase the outlays of welfare.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 07:53 PM (AkOaV)[.i]

I believe Colorado will become the U.S. largest longitudinal study on the societal effects of marijuana.

Should take about 10 years for initial results.

Meanwhile, quit bogarting the brownies.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:03 PM (V+kmg)

615 ***"Prove to me that legalizing marijuana will increase the outlays of welfare."***

Only if you believe that making it illegal will not lead to increased usage. Alcohol consumption went up when prohibition was repealed did it not?

***"Show me some historic evidence -- did the end of alcohol prohibition place a similar burden on charities of the day? I don't know."***

You're comparing apples to oranges here. Charities vs. the Welfare State? Seriously?

***"But that's a big claim... the corner stone of your argument... and I have never seen any evidence that's its true."***

It's not really a claim so much as it is a fact. Prohibition drastically reduced the consumption of alcohol. Both through the threat of force and the limitations on access. Are you seriously suggesting that removing these barriers wouldn't lead to changes in consumption?

***"And common sense would say it's not.

So I'm not convinced that legalizing marijuana would .lead to any long term increase in usage."***

I guess you are seriously suggesting it.

Why don't we just call it here eh?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:04 PM (xSCb6)

616 Fuck you, Barrel.

That's why.

*spit*

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:04 PM (V+kmg)

617 (the bill of rights - really a bill of restrictions on the govt.)

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (CrYC


... er ... not exactly. I've had this debate many times before. There are positive requirements of the government(s) in the bill of rights. The right to a trial deictates positive actions that the government must take to satisfy that.

I get your point, and it's mostly true, but the bill of rights is not all "restrictive" on government.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 08:04 PM (MYSVz)

618 Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 08:01 PM (AkOaV)

No one is in prison because of a joint.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 08:04 PM (Q4pU/)

619 616 Fuck you, Barrel.

That's why.

*spit*
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:04 PM (V+kmg)




Hahahhahahaha.

Care to join the Asshole Brigade, Bannion? We're about 6 strong at the moment, despite all the lurkers I know are out there, and we simply don't give a fuck.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:05 PM (GEICT)

620 Can I hop aboard the asshole band wagon?

I'm a hairy, smelly asshole.

Posted by: fluffy at July 01, 2015 08:05 PM (2iV3X)

621 Come on you fucking asshole morons, I know you're an asshole, you know you're an asshole, everyone knows you're an asshole. You might as well just admit it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 07:55 PM (GEICT)


What'd I miss this morning?

Why is BCochran collecting assholes?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:06 PM (0NdlF)

622 620 Can I hop aboard the asshole band wagon?

I'm a hairy, smelly asshole.
Posted by: fluffy at July 01, 2015 08:05 PM (2iV3X)



Abso-fucking-lutely. Welcome aboard.

I believe that makes 7.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:06 PM (GEICT)

623 Cops just want to keep drugs illegal

Stoners are easy to arrest.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 08:07 PM (DL2i+)

624 What'd I miss this morning?

Why is BCochran collecting assholes?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:06 PM (0NdlF)



Well, the truth is two things.

1) I was searching for something else and come across some old comments of mine. I was a better commenter back then and gave less fucks.

2) I'm already pretty damn drunk and I'm not stopping soon.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:08 PM (GEICT)

625 Care to join the Asshole Brigade, Bannion? We're about 6 strong at the moment, despite all the lurkers I know are out there, and we simply don't give a fuck.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:05 PM (GEICT)


I thought I already was in.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:08 PM (V+kmg)

626 Why is BCochran collecting assholes?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:06 PM (0NdlF)

--

Probably to feed to the Empress' raptors.

Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 08:08 PM (cbfNE)

627 Why is BCochran collecting assholes?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:06 PM (0NdlF)


You....you really don't want to know.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:08 PM (V+kmg)

628 617 (the bill of rights - really a bill of restrictions on the govt.)

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 07:57 PM (CrYC

... er ... not exactly. I've had this debate many times before. There are positive requirements of the government(s) in the bill of rights. The right to a trial deictates positive actions that the government must take to satisfy that.

I get your point, and it's mostly true, but the bill of rights is not all "restrictive" on government.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 08:04 PM (MYSVz)



I don't know. That seems restrictive to me. Saying the government can't lock you up without a trial.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 08:08 PM (/lywA)

629 ***"Then stop using the implied and often times literal force of the government to enforce a law you don't care about."***

Yes yes, I'm using the force of the state to keep you from getting stoned because I wrote the fvcking law and am currently enforcing it.

Yeah, I'll call it here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:09 PM (xSCb6)

630 He should've just pasted the post of this thread into a new thread. Now this thread may collapse from the weight of all the comments.

Posted by: asianmencephalosaurus at July 01, 2015 08:09 PM (QNcbF)

631 People are sitting in jail right now for getting a violation of probation because they failed a piss test while on probation for possession of marijuana.

Nonsense, there isn't enough jail space to keep casual stoners locked up. It's just easy to prove.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 08:10 PM (DL2i+)

632
Put me in for asshole membership just because.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 01, 2015 08:10 PM (jeCnD)

633 I thought I already was in.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:08 PM (V+kmg)



You were always in. I just wanted to make sure you were still good with it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:10 PM (GEICT)

634 primordial: you're right, there is a parallel. did i say talmud? you meant torah.okay.

thing is, the extraordinary idea of the people telling the govt what it can and cannot do, rather than the govt defining what peoples rights are, is unique in this world. and again, it was designed and defined this way with the foresight to PREVENT TYRANNY.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 08:10 PM (CrYC8)

635 Put me in for asshole membership just because.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 01, 2015 08:10 PM (jeCnD)



IG, you've been one of my fav commenters for a long, long time.

You're not an asshole, you're a patriot. But in today's culture, that's the same thing. Welcome aboard sir.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:11 PM (GEICT)

636 https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

I haven't memorized the lyrics but I have sung along.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 08:11 PM (DL2i+)

637 Mr. 1981, I'll be moving back to NE FL soon. Have I missed any meetups since that one, (1), uno we had way back when around those short-skirted women?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:14 PM (xSCb6)

638 Nonsense, there isn't enough jail space to keep casual stoners locked up. It's just easy to prove.
Posted by: DaveA

All those people who are "in prison for a joint" were actually caught doing something far worse, but happened to have some drugs on them, so they plead down to a possession charge. They then get portrayed in the media as someone who was just on their way to church or college, happened to have one joint on them, and was hassled by racist cops.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 08:14 PM (tgnRB)

639 Alright, how many assholes we got in this thread?

My ears were ringing, so I thought 'Better check ace.'

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 08:14 PM (ZbV+0)

640 I am not now, nor have I ever been an asshole!





Well, there was that one time in Vegas, but...

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 08:14 PM (3hIZX)

641 If you think everyone around you is an asshole , you in fact may be the asshole. ( looks around. Oh shit ! )

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 08:14 PM (Q4pU/)

642 My name is Happiness, I am a very good, nice and respectful young girl of love, Caring, Supportive, Sincere, Easy going, Romantic and of good reputation. I am looking for a very nice and understandable man of integrity, Immediately going through your profile here on [redacted], I pick interest in you, Therefore I will like you to reply my message with mentioned E-mail address (happinessgodwin40@yahoo.com) so I will give you my pictures and more about me so we can move forward. Dear, I need someone who is seriously for friendship, Not those that play with someones heart.
Thanks Happiness

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:15 PM (uoqdk)

643 I don't know. That seems restrictive to me. Saying the government can't lock you up without a trial.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 08:08 PM (/lywA)



8th amendment:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

It's good stuff, for sure, but there is just a point of semantics that this is not a restriction of government action but actually dictates what positive actions must be taken to satisfy this.

It doesn't describe what government cannot do but, instead, what government has to do.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 08:15 PM (MYSVz)

644 Perhaps we should define "asshole".

Gives no fucks.
Loves this country.
Stands by the Constitution as written.
Despises cowardice.
Gives no fucks.
Is politically incorrect.
Doesn't need to hate to disapprove.
GIVES NO FUCKS.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:15 PM (GEICT)

645 I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes.
*mask down*
Keep firing, assholes!

Posted by: Dark Helmet at July 01, 2015 08:16 PM (tgnRB)

646 637 Mr. 1981, I'll be moving back to NE FL soon. Have I missed any meetups since that one, (1), uno we had way back when around those short-skirted women?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:14 PM (xSCb6)



CBD was in the area, so Neidermeyer and I met up with him for a beer. That's been it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:16 PM (GEICT)

647 Not only am I an asshole, I'm a heavily armed asshole.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at July 01, 2015 08:16 PM (l7Kbv)

648 Somebody told me there were a lot of assholes around here.

Posted by: Bwaney Fwank at July 01, 2015 08:17 PM (xSCb6)

649 I am not now, nor have I ever been an asshole!

Well, there was that one time in Vegas Arlington, but...
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 08:14 PM (3hIZX)


FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:17 PM (V+kmg)

650 I am not now, nor have I ever been, an asshole!




Well, there was that one time in Vegas, but I have a perfectly good excuse for that...

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 08:17 PM (mBYZv)

651 Odds that he thinks smoking marijuana in your own home is bad? Slim to none.

Posted by: PC at July 01, 2015 08:17 PM (PEqlJ)

652 Epic, Ace!
Yet another instance of why I return again and again to this smart, award-winning, military blog!
If y'all will permit me, may I attempt to illuminate the sexual angle....
Yes, they're bent. In general terms, they are sexual fetishists, in a manner of speaking, having substituted for the act of procreation between a married couple (not "married" (sic)), followed nine or so months later by the birth of a new Person. Instead, you name it. The bitch, the knot, the ice machine, the cumshot, the mere moving image (how sad, really), the little boy (as in the case of our Preznit Bacha Baqzi O'Bomber), the little girl (as in the case of his intellectual frigid housekeeper/lesbian lolita-lover, Persian Kitty Val Jarret)... pitifully substituted for the Grand Design of our most powerful urges. And limited self-control. Severely limited on the left.
Hence, the daytime TV and carbohydrate snack industries.

Posted by: Steve White at July 01, 2015 08:17 PM (wZqPL)

653 ... and by prevent tyranny, not just a king, but any govt that by its tendency to power and the corruptibility of man, will no doubt come down the line eventually. the "founders" were really perceptive and thoughtful on the matter.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 08:17 PM (CrYC8)

654 https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=Hw5BRAo2Vh0

The french version.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 08:18 PM (DL2i+)

655 Dear, I need someone who is seriously for friendship, Not those that play with someones heart.
Thanks Happiness

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:15 PM (uoqdk)


Bend over, Happiness. I'll drive.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:18 PM (V+kmg)

656 I knew it!

I'm surrounded by assholes. AoSHQ assholes. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

If you're an asshole/Moron, and proud of it, SOUND OFF!

I'm looking at you lurkers as well!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:18 PM (GEICT)

657 ***"CBD was in the area, so Neidermeyer and I met up with him for a beer. That's been it."***


Bummer, would have liked to meet him.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:18 PM (xSCb6)

658 Oh man.

Just finished off some Chinese food, and open the fortune cookie.

First thing I read is "Learn Chinese."



(it actually just shows you how to say fish, but... not amusing considering recent events)

Posted by: thanks, OPM at July 01, 2015 08:19 PM (Ydaoe)

659 No one is in prison because of a joint.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 08:04 PM (Q4pU/)

No, typically first time drug offenders have to pay court fees, do community service, and have to be on probation (and thus pass drug tests) for 6-12 months. If they're underage, they can lose their drivers license (depending on the state.)

If they fail to do any of that -- pay the money, finish the community service, pass drug tests, or get arrested / ticketed again (for marijuana), then they will serve time in jail in most states.

And it's pretty common.

I personally know 3 people who ended up doing short amounts of time (30 days or less) in jail for a situation that began with a joint.

Yes, they're irresponsible and immature. But is that really the best use of court resources?

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 08:20 PM (AkOaV)

660 Bummer, would have liked to meet him.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:18 PM (xSCb6)



Good dude.

You know, Jewish and all, but still a good dude.

;-)

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:20 PM (GEICT)

661 and obama's transformation, the left's project, is that preeminent govt.

obama is to the constitution as marx is to capitalism.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 01, 2015 08:20 PM (CrYC8)

662 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:15 PM (GEICT)

Count another asshole, here ... though I often like to hate what I disapprove of. Maybe that makes me a super-asshole?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 08:20 PM (MYSVz)

663 AoSHQ assholes = Aceholes?

Posted by: Hugh Jass at July 01, 2015 08:20 PM (Ydaoe)

664 Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:17 PM (V+kmg)


OK, it was two times, Arlington and Vegas, but I swear that's it!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 08:20 PM (ftVQq)

665 Count another asshole, here ... though I often like to hate what I disapprove of. Maybe that makes me a super-asshole?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 08:20 PM (MYSVz)


No, just an asshole on hemorrhsteroids

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 01, 2015 08:21 PM (V+kmg)

666 Sounds like soothsayer is about to go cat fishing.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 08:21 PM (Q4pU/)

667 So if you haven't listened to AtC and I's podcast...what the fuck is wrong with you?

My computer, possibly firefox, and shockwave flash (or adobe which may be the same thing) refuse to cooperate so I apparently can't listen to your current format. Which is disappointing as I could one of the earlier ones.

Or in answer to your question, I don't understand computer voodoo and haven't made the appropriate sacrifices.

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM (ZbV+0)

668 Soothsayer:

Pedos? That involves children, yes? Children who's rights are held in trust by the State? Children who are literally incompetent to consent to sexual relations with an adult?

Hmm. Why would anyone be against that?

Unlike you, I'm quite aware of the fact that rights conflict with rights. Any right you might hope to gain which would allow you to, as you suggest, bugger children would obviously conflict with the rights of children to not be raped by you. In that instance, it's fairly easy to weigh those interests.

We are constantly balancing those conflicting rights. Is the right of a gay couple to marry more important than the right of a bigoted county clerk to not have to stamp a piece of paper authorizing said marriage? Yes. Yes it obviously is.

I'm a strong believer in the rights of children. Which is why I'm vehemently opposed to the "Dutch system" mentioned in ace's post whereby tax dollars fund the religious indoctrination of children in lieu of their State guaranteed standard education. It's a terrible idea for so many obvious reasons.

Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM (mCz8+)

669 Count another asshole, here ... though I often like to hate what I disapprove of. Maybe that makes me a super-asshole?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 08:20 PM (MYSVz)



That simply makes you a Moron.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM (GEICT)

670 Grr, alright, fine. I really don't want to argue about pot anymore.

I'm only marginally interested in the subject, and I'm not in the mood to argue.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM (AkOaV)

671 If you can't not do something for a few months while on probation then you are by definition addicted.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 08:23 PM (DL2i+)

672 Or in answer to your question, I don't understand computer voodoo and haven't made the appropriate sacrifices.

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM (ZbV+0)


email me. Bcochran1981 at gmail.

I can provide a direct download link.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:23 PM (GEICT)

673 671 If you can't not do something for a few months while on probation then you are by definition addicted.
Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 08:23 PM (DL2i+)

::slowly puts down beer and looks around::

...months?

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 08:24 PM (AkOaV)

674 Fuck you Cochran you crazy Mick, I'll buy the shots.

Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 08:25 PM (ahBY0)

675 don't understand computer voodoo and haven't made the appropriate sacrifices.
Posted by: Methos

Have you tried hanging up the receiver? Huma says you have to hang up the receiver. Then you can read the facebooks.

Posted by: Hillary Rodham-Rodham at July 01, 2015 08:26 PM (tgnRB)

676 AoS is basically unusable on my iPad, Opera and Mercury!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 08:26 PM (ftVQq)

677 https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=vivGkuPjZeY

This may explain DC

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 08:26 PM (DL2i+)

678 So... off topic but not really. I just got off the phone talking with an Amazon customer service supervisor's supervisor about their ban on the sale of Confederate flags (I called the customer service line after a week of waiting for Amazon's media relations). I expressed to them how upset I was at their viewpoint discrimination since they still sell Adolph Hitler's Mein Kampf. Che Guevera t-shirts and Soviet flags. I also told them that while they are a private company that is free to sell or not sell any product they choose, I found it hypocritical to ban the Confederate flag so that they are not associated with what they consider to be a racist symbol (a characterization I disagree with) but still sell symbols of murderous communist regimes and books from Nazis.



They hear that I am upset and they appreciate my feedback. No they cannot tell me if Amazon is going to change their policy. Yes they can pass along my feedback and contact information but no they can't tell me that someone who can give me information will call me back. They are very sorry to hear I would consider cancelling my prime membership and ceasing doing business with them over their viewpoint discrimination but that is certainly my choice.




So fellow morons... should I give them a few days to call me back or do I assume that was a big fuck you very much and act accordingly now?




Posted by: redbanzai at July 01, 2015 08:26 PM (NPofj)

679 674 Fuck you Cochran you crazy Mick, I'll buy the shots.

Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 08:25 PM (ahBY0)



Bring it on motherfucker. Let's do this thing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:27 PM (GEICT)

680 >>>I'm a strong believer in the rights of children.
Which is why I'm vehemently opposed to the "Dutch system" mentioned in
ace's post whereby tax dollars fund the religious indoctrination of
children in lieu of their State guaranteed standard education. It's a
terrible idea for so many obvious reasons.



Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM (mCz8+)<<<

You're right! They are so much better in public schools where they will never ever be indoctrinated at all.

Posted by: the Almighty State at July 01, 2015 08:27 PM (Ydaoe)

681 Trying Safari!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 08:27 PM (ftVQq)

682 ***"Children who are literally incompetent to consent to sexual relations with an adult?"***


So you're all for federal age of consent laws then?


***"tax dollars fund the religious indoctrination of children in lieu of their State guaranteed standard education."***


You misspelled 'State Guaranteed Standard Indoctrination'.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:28 PM (xSCb6)

683 Ok, I'm already pretty hammered, so I'm going to just put this out there.

Fromabroad is a fucking asshole and he straight up lied today about what AtC said today. He's followed her from thread to thread attacking her when she's never once addressed him.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:28 PM (GEICT)

684 No joy on Safari either, back to a real computer!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 08:29 PM (ftVQq)

685 My family's (and we go back before the misguided Pilgrims on this continent, in one branch, Revolutionar/1812 War vet in another, others who walked to where they homesteaded behind oxen), rule of thumb regarding the rights of others: your rights stop at the end of my nose.
Generalize this.

Posted by: Steve White at July 01, 2015 08:29 PM (wZqPL)

686
Unlike you, I'm quite aware of the fact that rights conflict with rights.

Evidently not...

Is the right of a gay couple to marry more important than the right of a bigoted county clerk to not have to stamp a piece of paper authorizing said marriage? Yes. Yes it obviously is.


So you pick and choose whose rights trumps other people's rights?

This is absurd.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:29 PM (uoqdk)

687
Gotta laugh at seattle slough "balancing rights" and then decides who gets the shaft in the balance.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:30 PM (uoqdk)

688 Bring it on motherfucker. Let's do this thing.

Ace needs to hang a body bag up in here so we can walk up and punch the thing every now and again.

Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 08:31 PM (ahBY0)

689 >>> Fromabroad is a fucking asshole

Easy with the broad brush.

Posted by: fluffy; band wagon asshole at July 01, 2015 08:31 PM (2iV3X)

690 I wonder if it ever occurred to Seattle Slowpoke, Goth Fonzie, and other oh-so-Reasonable Libertarians that their own personal animus towards Christians/Christianity might not be a solid foundation for national policy?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 08:31 PM (tgnRB)

691 So fellow morons... should I give them a few days to call me back or do I assume that was a big fuck you very much and act accordingly now?

Posted by: redbanzai at July 01, 2015 08:26 PM (NPofj)


I wouldn't expect a public walk back. Corporations don't have spines or integrity.

They definitely did NOT have a similar level of customer complaints for banning it in the first place. My thoughts? Let 'em hurt ... let 'em see the cost of playing PC.

I've told them I will no longer shop at Amazon while they ban the flag ... which means no shopping there in the future and for the long term. I can learn to do without.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:31 PM (0NdlF)

692 689 >>> Fromabroad is a fucking asshole

Easy with the broad brush.

Posted by: fluffy; band wagon asshole at July 01, 2015 08:31 PM (2iV3X)



No, I'm good with that statement. I've been watching his comments for a while.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:32 PM (GEICT)

693 Posted by: redbanzai at July 01, 2015 08:26 PM

Seriously? You need to ask?! Fuck those people.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 01, 2015 08:33 PM (2dhyU)

694 @676, 681

I know, right? I bet it's Apple experimenting with some filter so that we can only access GoodThink sites. AoS crashes Safari multiple times before I can get it to load.

But it's so worth the effort. I win, Tim Cook!

Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 08:33 PM (ueOgE)

695 o/t after nearly 700 posts ('way to go, Ace!), but has anyone followed the absolute wretched perfidy of Karl "Puffball" Rove as revealed in Sen. Cruz's new book?
(I work too much to be a constant attendee here, so maybe you morons have covered this in detail.)
What a scumbag!
(The political operative who prolly works for Georg Soros, Esperantist and ex-Judenrat Dem/Commie, or the Senator from Texas? Why are you here, except for agitprop, if you believe in the puffball?

Posted by: Steve White at July 01, 2015 08:33 PM (wZqPL)

696
The Left literally redefined marriage and leftist zealots such as seattle slough are all like hey man, what's your problem??

We're supposed to just accept it.

Not only will I never accept it, I will no longer tolerate this bullshit.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:34 PM (uoqdk)

697 We are constantly balancing those conflicting rights. Is the right of a
gay couple to marry more important than the right of a bigoted county
clerk to not have to stamp a piece of paper authorizing said marriage?
Yes. Yes it obviously is.


Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM (mCz8+)<<<



Since there is no "right" to marry despite what 5 Justices say, and since freedom of religion IS actually an enumerated right in the Constitution, you would be wrong.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 01, 2015 08:34 PM (NPofj)

698 Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM

>We are constantly balancing those conflicting rights
Who's
we, Tonto? The only "rights" that exist are absolute and
property-based. If you're a lawyer it would explain how you've talked
yourself into a hole you're not capable of crawling out of. Keep
digging.

>tax dollars fund the religious indoctrination of children in lieu of their State guaranteed standard education
You're too stupid to live.

Posted by: kartoffel at July 01, 2015 08:34 PM (fVxXv)

699 @695 close parenthesis

Posted by: Steve White at July 01, 2015 08:35 PM (wZqPL)

700 Really digging that Giant Robot War link in the sidebar.


Can I start rooting for Skynet now since SMOD is a dirty tease?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:35 PM (xSCb6)

701 Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 08:22 PM (mCz8+)

Who sets the age of consent? You? You do know that nature actually sets the age of maturity. We as a society though have had a sliding scale through out history depending on a number of factors. I have a feeling those factors have gotten more perverse lately.

Anyway since you disagree with most conservative thought why don't you get together with your liberal buddies and start a petition to separate the Country so you can did yourself of the conservative burden. We won't object I promise.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 08:36 PM (Q4pU/)

702 If there's a right to marry, I'm suing Kate Upton. She's violating my civil rights by denying me the right to marry her and her gigantic funbags.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at July 01, 2015 08:36 PM (tgnRB)

703 I can provide a direct download link.

Sent, hopefully. Yahoo was trying to be helpful with your address and really wasn't

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 08:37 PM (ZbV+0)

704
HOW ABOUT MY RIGHT TO NOT BUY HEALTH INSURANCE?

How do YOU square that with your bullshit??

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:37 PM (uoqdk)

705
Rights. He wants to lecture us on rights.

Gimme a farking break.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:37 PM (uoqdk)

706 So fellow morons... should I give them a few days to call me back or do I assume that was a big fuck you very much and act accordingly now?

Posted by: redbanzai at July 01, 2015 08:26 PM (NPofj)


It was a "fuck you" but don't blame the kid working in the call center. They have corporate-approved talking points / scripts that they can't deviate from. It's all marketing and PR department wording.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 08:38 PM (AkOaV)

707 Sent, hopefully. Yahoo was trying to be helpful with your address and really wasn't
Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 08:37 PM (ZbV+0)



Haven't seen it yet.

Literally "bcochran1981@gmail.com"

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:38 PM (GEICT)

708 We are all assholes.

Posted by: Newsweek at July 01, 2015 08:39 PM (yYOXd)

709 Sooth,

Yes. I can make that call. One person's right to do something generally trumps another's right to not be upset about them doing that thing.

Posted by: seattle slough at July 01, 2015 08:39 PM (mCz8+)

710 I'm sure seattle slough is busily composing another logically contorted riposte, so please allow me to pre-emptively request that he kindly, and gently go fvck himself.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:40 PM (xSCb6)

711 708 We are all assholes.

Posted by: Newsweek at July 01, 2015 08:39 PM (yYOXd)



There are assholes and then there are Assholes.

We of the Horde are Assholes.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:40 PM (GEICT)

712 Damn, missed it by THAT much.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:41 PM (xSCb6)

713 first in the 700's !!


eleventy!!!


who-hu

Posted by: moron #73 at July 01, 2015 08:41 PM (PY/7D)

714 I donated to Flynn. Hope he makes it as I live in this pisshole of socialist crap known as the Peoples State of Illinois.

Posted by: MallardDuckLintBrush at July 01, 2015 08:42 PM (oaQ3i)

715 "I bet it's Apple experimenting with some filter so that we can only access GoodThink sites."

Coming soon: your Apple device will "protect" you by refusing to load any site which contains Confederate battle flag images.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 08:42 PM (noWW6)

716 Literally "bcochran1981@gmail.com"
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:38 PM (GEICT)

::scribbles in notebook::

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at July 01, 2015 08:42 PM (AkOaV)

717 so a man's home is his castle is like way old skool thinking and needs to be tossed into history the the tv show 'The Dukes of Hazard'?


Posted by: moron #73 at July 01, 2015 08:42 PM (PY/7D)

718
DiBlasio the Commie Cockholster can KMA

Donated to Flynn...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at July 01, 2015 08:43 PM (St6l/)

719
One person's right to do something generally trumps another's right to not be upset about them doing that thing.

Oh really?

So then it's tough shit for the couple of homos who get upset at a baker who doesn't want to bake a cake for their wedding, right?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:43 PM (uoqdk)

720
Wait for it, everyone...

Here it comes...

but that's different!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:43 PM (uoqdk)

721 Coming soon: your Apple device will "protect" you by refusing to load any site which contains Confederate battle flag images.

Posted by: torquewrench

Also, as a public service, all iTunes accounts will be autoloaded with 15 hours worth of buttsecks videos. You're welcome.

Posted by: Tim Cook at July 01, 2015 08:44 PM (tgnRB)

722 ***"One person's right to do something generally trumps another's right to not be upset about them doing that thing."***

No no Sport, your example contained an action, not a feeling. Try to keep up with yourself.


Now, go ahead and explain how we have a "right to marry" according to our constitution. Show your work. And by work, I don't mean that horoscope bullshit Kennedy pulled out of his lower colon.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:44 PM (xSCb6)

723 ::scribbles in notebook::

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at July 01, 2015 08:42 PM (AkOaV)



Like you didn't already have it.

I'd be more disappointed if I wasn't on a list somewhere.

Although, I'm pretty sure that referencing "holy goat fucking mohammed" in an early podcast got me on some sort of list.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:44 PM (GEICT)

724 667 anyone who uses Firefox deserves to suffer.

Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shade, languishing in Krazyfornia at July 01, 2015 08:45 PM (cmBvC)

725 Not only will I never accept it, I will no longer tolerate this bullshit.

This.

You know what made Americans better than all the other useless tribes of the earth? It wasn't that we recognized our Rights come from God, though that helps (and could be done by most anyone). It was that we did something about it.

I have a Right to speak because I will speak, and I will go one speaking. I have a Right to bear arms because I will bear arms regardless of laws passed against it. I have, if need be, a Right to remain silent, not because some pissant on a bench says so, but because I decide when I speak or do not.

And fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 08:45 PM (ZbV+0)

726 He's gonna go for the "businesses are services which have to be provided to everyone equally" line because leftists think businesses are natural resources, not property.

Posted by: kartoffel at July 01, 2015 08:45 PM (fVxXv)

727 Well, I clearly need another drink.

BRB you bunch of fucking assholes.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:46 PM (GEICT)

728 ***"Although, I'm pretty sure that referencing "holy goat fucking mohammed" in an early podcast got me on some sort of list."***


It's ok, even if they fuck up and happen to bring a gun to a gun fight, they can't aim for shit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:47 PM (xSCb6)

729 Man Seattle suckjob really. Proved he's not a controlling totalitarian didn't he. Demanding that he gets to determine that parents don't have a right to choose a better school for their children. Yep definitely all about freedom there.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 08:48 PM (z/Ubi)

730 One person's right to do something generally trumps another's right to not be upset about them doing that thing.
----------
Oh really?

So then it's tough shit for the couple of homos who get upset at a baker who doesn't want to bake a cake for their wedding, right?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 08:43 PM (uoqdk)


Very consistent. The gay couple's right to force the baker to bake a cake trumps the baker's right to not be upset at them forcing him to bake a cake.

Coming soon ... a gay couple's right to make you perform sex acts on them will trump your right to not be upset at them ....

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:48 PM (0NdlF)

731 anyone who uses Firefox deserves to suffer.

Is there any software not written by an SJW asshole?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 01, 2015 08:49 PM (W5DcG)

732 Pay no attention to my bona fide emails.
I am an architect, like Le Corbusier, somewhat stylish, but no one wants to live there. Now, the concrete is crumbling (b/c it was not built of unhewn stone).
Bottom line: the people do not know what they want. On this, both parties agree.
What counts is gamesmanship based on fetishisms.

No, seriously, I have made a fortune on this theory by losing elections and fucking the people.

Posted by: Karl "Puffball" Rove at July 01, 2015 08:50 PM (wZqPL)

733 "anyone who uses Firefox deserves to suffer."

Several clued-in members of the Horde recommended Pale Moon, which is built in some degree on the open source parts of the Firefox code base, but differs from Firefox and does not fund the Mozilla organization.

It runs many of the classic Firefox add-ons and extensions.

Also, the Pale Moon design philosophy is to stick to the classic basics instead of endless interface re-tinkering.

I've been running it for a few months. It's worth a look.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 08:50 PM (noWW6)

734 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:48 PM (0NdlF)

Yeah.

Well, the correct answer is "the gay guy can call himself married if he wants, government shouldnt be involved in any way, and we should have a flat tax with the word "marriage" completely removed from the federal governments lexicon. And no one should be forced to provide services for another person against his will, we outlawed slavery 150 years ago."

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 01, 2015 08:50 PM (AkOaV)

735 Wow. England kicks an own goal to give Japan the lead in extra time (seconds before heading to OT).

So now the US will face Japan.

Posted by: not that anyone really cares at July 01, 2015 08:50 PM (Ydaoe)

736 Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 08:45 PM

*Fist bump*

And you guys need to just ignore that idiot Seattle Slough. You're not gonna talk any common sense into him and logic is damn sure not gonna sway him. He just a troll. And he is proof that the split between Conservatives and liberals is not gonna be settled with words.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 01, 2015 08:51 PM (2dhyU)

737 Ouch, England gives up goal in referee time to lose to Japan. US v Japan Sunday.

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 08:51 PM (ZbV+0)

Posted by: not that anyone really cares at July 01, 2015 08:51 PM (Ydaoe)

739 I can recommend Pale Moon as well. Been running it since that Eich witch hunt. Haven't used anything else since.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 08:52 PM (xSCb6)

740 >Is there any software not written by an SJW asshole?

Urbit.
That civil war game that got yanked off the appstore in the Confederate flag signal scramble. I forget the name of the devs but they did not back down.

Posted by: kartoffel at July 01, 2015 08:52 PM (fVxXv)

741 And he is proof that the split between Conservatives and liberals is not gonna be settled with words.

I do not look forward to finding out how it is going to be settled.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:55 PM (0NdlF)

742 I got my Confederate battle flag in the mail today, ordered from gadsdenandculpeper.com.

As I expected from the price, it's cheesy quality. Made in China, where they don't give a damn about SJW bullshit.

I'm still waiting on my Annin Stars & Bars I ordered from Flag Store USA, but if that one doesn't arrive in time, I may fly this one on the Fourth.

Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2015 08:56 PM (sdi6R)

743 Pale Moon. Sounds like a pale ale. Will give it a try.

Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shade, languishing in Krazyfornia at July 01, 2015 08:56 PM (cmBvC)

744 Gives no fucks.
Loves this country.
Stands by the Constitution as written.
Despises cowardice.
Gives no fucks.
Is politically incorrect.
Doesn't need to hate to disapprove.
GIVES NO FUCKS.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 08:15 PM (GEICT)

***
Count me in. Cuz I've been needing a new hobby and stuff anyways.

The thing I need are the classes. The will be classes, right? RIGHT, Damnit?!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 01, 2015 08:57 PM (cygkw)

745 I've been running it for a few months. It's worth a look.



Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 08:50 PM (noWW6)

I cannot get YouTube htlm5 to run in Pale Moon and I have installed the add-ons. So no cat videos for me!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 08:58 PM (ftVQq)

746 so a man and his wives have applied to be legally married in Montana

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 08:58 PM (zOTsN)

747 I am not an asshole! I don't care what my wife, family, friends and neighbors say.
Repeatedly
(obviously not ready for the AOShq twelve step program)

Posted by: This warm beer brought to you by Lucas Electronics at July 01, 2015 08:59 PM (XmOA9)

748 so a man and his wives have applied to be legally married in Montana

And so it begins...

Posted by: That guy who always says... at July 01, 2015 09:00 PM (Dwehj)

749 anyone who uses Firefox deserves to suffer.

You perhaps missed my comment above about voodoo.

Also, there's a lack of motivation on my part as *I'm not paying for it*. So I don't get the satisfaction boycotts would usually generate.

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 09:00 PM (ZbV+0)

750 Kinky Friedman & The Texas Jewboys

Asshole From El Paso

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8AH_Owld5UI

Posted by: fluffy at July 01, 2015 09:01 PM (2iV3X)

751 so a man and his wives have applied to be legally married in Montana

What about a man and his horses?

Posted by: Mendoza bucket lister at July 01, 2015 09:01 PM (W5DcG)

752 The thing I need are the classes. The will be classes, right? RIGHT, Damnit?!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 01, 2015 08:57 PM (cygkw)

There will definitely be classes in the camps comrade!

Posted by: Commandante B Ayres at July 01, 2015 09:01 PM (ftVQq)

753 Heard about Pale Moon here, been using it for about 3 months. I prefer it over FF.


Posted by: US blocked heavy weapons to Kurds at July 01, 2015 09:02 PM (auUHv)

754 "The thing I need are the classes. The will be classes, right?"

Oh, we have extensive classes planned.

On a wide and "diverse" array of topics.

Attendance mandatory.

Posted by: Happy Fun Camp Activities Director at July 01, 2015 09:02 PM (noWW6)

755 no no

polygamy

then children

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:02 PM (zOTsN)

756 spouses a, b, c, d, e, f, g

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 01, 2015 09:03 PM (0O7c5)

757
I use Pale Moon. Sometimes. I've never made it my default browser because Windows 8 *hates* that.

It's okay. Not raving.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:03 PM (MDgS8)

758 @721
Well, from now on, all your Apple stuff gets loaded with Apple Music, which features Dr. Dre. I looked up some of the lyrics from his rap. Let's just say, Apple's fine with offending some of their customers if it makes them enough money off the rest. I've had it with their SJW nonsense, will be looking elsewhere for my next phone.

Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 09:03 PM (ueOgE)

759 no no

polygamy

then children
Posted by: ThunderB

When do they get to polygamy with children?

Posted by: Mohammad at July 01, 2015 09:03 PM (tgnRB)

760 Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:02 PM (zOTsN)

then pedophilia

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:04 PM (ftVQq)

761 next year

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:04 PM (zOTsN)

762 " I do not look forward to finding out how it is going to be settled".

Given recent developments, neither do I.

Pretty obvious the pendulum hasn't swung all the way.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 01, 2015 09:04 PM (jeCnD)

763 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 08:55 PM

Concur. But if we have to settle it without words, I'm glad I'm gonna do it with you guys.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 01, 2015 09:04 PM (2dhyU)

764 I'm still waiting on my Annin Stars Bars I ordered from Flag Store
USA, but if that one doesn't arrive in time, I may fly this one on the
Fourth.

I just got an Annin with embroidered stars from Gadsden that is made in the USA. She's a beaut.

Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 09:04 PM (ahBY0)

765 spouses a, b, c, d, e, f, g

There's an easier way.

Posted by: George Foreman Jr VII at July 01, 2015 09:05 PM (Dwehj)

766 I was reading this thread upside down and it's pretty weird.

Is this it till ont?

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 09:05 PM (vmMMi)

767 Is this the "rectum regiment" thread ?

Posted by: michael moore at July 01, 2015 09:05 PM (k4qR7)

768 so a man and his wives have applied to be legally married in Montana

I'm not really bothered by that, if I'm being honest. It's historically legitimate and serves as a solution to the disparity in male/female birthrates.

As a personal matter, I'm sticking with the old joke that the penalty for marrying five wives is *being married* to five wives.

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 09:05 PM (ZbV+0)

769 @741 I do not look forward to finding out how it is going to be settled

I don't think it will end well for us, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.

Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 09:06 PM (ueOgE)

770 I tried using Pale Moon, but it kept weirding out on me.

Posted by: Null at July 01, 2015 09:06 PM (xjpRj)

771 When do they get to polygamy with children?

Posted by: Mohammad at July 01, 2015 09:03 PM (tgnRB)
I think it comes after pedophilia.

After all, the concept of an "Age of consent" is just a social construct!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:06 PM (ftVQq)

772 Is this it till not?

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 09:05 PM (vmMMi)



It's post 9pm, so yeah, this is almost certainly it until the ONT.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 09:06 PM (GEICT)

773 Is there any software not written by an SJW asshole?

Hey asshole I never tweeted anything and it's the pound sign for the pre-compiler not a hashtag.
/sarc

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 09:06 PM (DL2i+)

774
Also, there's a lack of motivation on my part as *I'm not paying for it*. So I don't get the satisfaction boycotts would usually generate.
Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 09:00 PM (ZbV+0)

__________

You don't pay for it the same way you don't pay for Facebook or Google or Network TV or listening to the radio.

You don't pay for it, but Facebook, Google, ABC/NBC/CVS and radio stations make money when you use their services. So a boycott still hurts, even if you don't directly stop giving them money.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (0LHZx)

775 One freaking wife is enough.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (MDgS8)

776 After all, the concept of an "Age of consent" is just a social construct!
Posted by: Hrothgar

What's this "consent" thing of which you speak?

Posted by: Mohammad at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (tgnRB)

777
The next goal for the Leftist Fascists is to get a couple of perverts 'married' by a priest in a Catholic church.

Mark my words..

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (uoqdk)

778 sure

I look forward to all the middle eastern families of a certain religious belief repopulating the nation

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (zOTsN)

779 I was reading this thread upside down

Me too!

Posted by: some bat chillin' on a cave roof at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (p7LtI)

780 so a man and his wives have applied to be legally married in Montana
---------------
I'm not really bothered by that, if I'm being honest. It's historically legitimate and serves as a solution to the disparity in male/female birthrates.


Really?

Posted by: Communist China at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (0NdlF)

781 Apple's fine with offending some of their customers if it makes them enough money off the rest.

You are obviously a racist if you do not appreciate Doctor Douchebag and the Ho Hos.

Posted by: NYT music critic at July 01, 2015 09:08 PM (W5DcG)

782 I don't think it will end well for us, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.

Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 09:06 PM (ueOgE)


Better find religion then.

Posted by: Communist China at July 01, 2015 09:10 PM (0NdlF)

783 772
It's post 9pm, so yeah, this is almost certainly it until the ONT.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 09:06 PM (GEICT)


Barring any plane crashes, terrorist attacks, earthquakes, or SMOD impacts, yes.

Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2015 09:10 PM (sdi6R)

784 Desock.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 09:10 PM (0NdlF)

785 I have something for the horde:

http://s17.post___.org/spqjkejm7/LOVEWINS.jpg

Posted by: biscuits mahoney at July 01, 2015 09:11 PM (NL4NV)

786
Apple and Microsoft hate all of us.

Fuck them.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:11 PM (MDgS8)

787
hey, triple 7's!!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 09:11 PM (uoqdk)

788 running it since that Eich witch hunt.

Same here, works pretty good. Stability crash to desktop problems might be from 11ty+ tabs or greasmonkey+, etc. etc...

Have to switch to IE for the library and Papa Johns though. If Little Ceasars new fist thru the laptop commercial is aimed and PJ they've hit the mark.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 09:11 PM (DL2i+)

789 FUCK ALL DHIMI-KKK-Rats and the jack ass they trode in on....

Posted by: Tenndon at July 01, 2015 09:12 PM (gPt2n)

790 I have something for the horde:

But only the buttsex variety.

Perfect for all the assholes.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 09:12 PM (0NdlF)

791 "Children" can be covered by parents insurance until 26 years old.

Maybe age of consent, voting, smoking, drinking, driving(?) should be raised also.

I mean, we're told we need one standardized interpretation for marriage, so why not a standardized definition for when the responsibilities of adulthood can begin?

Posted by: ObamaSCOTUScare at July 01, 2015 09:12 PM (Ydaoe)

792 >>772 Is this it till not?
Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 09:05 PM (vmMMi)
It's post 9pm, so yeah, this is almost certainly it until the ONT.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 09:06 PM (GEICT)

Stupid auto correct! Can I add acronyms?

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 09:12 PM (vmMMi)

793 I just got an Annin with embroidered stars from Gadsden that is made in the USA. She's a beaut.


Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 09:04 PM (ahBY0)

So from their web site it sure looks like Annin is not selling the CBF !

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:13 PM (ftVQq)

794 Assholes....skull crushing headache.

A) Drink more

B) Medicate

C) Both

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 09:14 PM (GEICT)

795 So we're living in Nazi America cuz most drugs are banned -- or you're just retarded

Posted by: W at July 01, 2015 09:14 PM (SJucc)

796 o a man's home is his castle is like way old skool thinking and needs to be tossed into history the the tv show 'The Dukes of Hazard'?


Posted by: moron #73 at July 01, 2015 08:42 PM (PY/7D)

Have been offline this afternoon and have tried to read and catchup the previous threads.

Re: Dukes of Hazzard...
Isn't it interesting that Viacom, because of SJW and their perceived fear of loss of commercial sponsors want to blacklist and censor a 1970's show in which there is no swearing, no sex, no nudity, the stars are always doing the right thing to save someone, or something, the bad guy isn't really that bad, but he simply can't resist the lure of money, which causes him to attempt to cheat others constantly, in which he gets caught and exposed and shamed every week.

The only vice like activity that is a constant on the show is Uncle Jessie's still, of which he only produces enough for his own consumption after paying the price of jail time and probation for the Duke boys. And Daisy's shorts. Although the cast is white, Black folks are often featured on the show, usually in positive character and are friends of the Dukes.

This show, which teaches morals in a setting not unlike all the fairy tales of old, or the Fractured Fairy Tales of Rocky and Bullwinkle, is now deemed unsuitable for ANYONE to view, because the famous car driven through barns, across broken bridges, etc. has the confederate battle flag on it's roof.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 01, 2015 09:15 PM (WV80V)

797 Has anyone pointed out that "fascist" comes from the Latin for a bundle of sticks, or what in English was once called a "faggot?"

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 01, 2015 09:17 PM (a42f0)

798
Plus it has Daisy Duke in her lil shortys.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:18 PM (MDgS8)

799 What's this "consent" thing of which you speak?

Posted by: Mohammad at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (tgnRB)

"'Consent' is whatever I say it is today, nothing more, nothing less!"

Posted by: CJSC Roberts at July 01, 2015 09:18 PM (ftVQq)

800 "'Children' can be covered by parents insurance until 26 years old. Maybe age of consent, voting, smoking, drinking, driving(?) should be raised also."

Since apparently today's college kids will queue up to sign petitions calling for the legalization of fourth trimester abortions, if the pitch is properly prefaced ("it's for Obama"), I figure we should put on a big push to legalize fortieth trimester abortion.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 09:18 PM (noWW6)

801
Telling you right now: Washington Redskins is next; and it's gonna happen real fast.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 09:18 PM (uoqdk)

802
795 So we're living in Nazi America cuz most drugs are banned -- or you're just retarded
Posted by: W at July 01, 2015 09:14 PM (S




Freedom only applies to homosexual sex and the ability to get high. Following your religious beliefs, being able to eat salty foods, having a drink larger than 16 oz, and being able to determine how to raise your children, deciding how to spend your money are not issues of freedom. Those are all decisions the state gets to make for you per Seattle slough, the arbiter of freedoms.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 01, 2015 09:19 PM (z/Ubi)

803 I mean, we're told we need one standardized
interpretation for marriage, so why not a standardized definition for
when the responsibilities of adulthood can begin?


Posted by: ObamaSCOTUScare at July 01, 2015 09:12 PM (Ydaoe)

After all, it would really be good "for the children" if we did this!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:20 PM (ftVQq)

804 Has anyone pointed out that "fascist" comes from the Latin for a bundle of sticks, or what in English was once called a "faggot?"
Posted by: Grey Fox at July 01, 2015 09:17 PM (a42f0)


Led Zeppelin 4 is a faggot album.

Posted by: NYT music critic at July 01, 2015 09:20 PM (W5DcG)

805 I think, if anyone can get a copy of the Dukes of Hazzard series, should consider doing movie nights this weekend in their backyard. Put up a big sheet and show the series while you drink some hootch, the kids have sparklers and you have some time before you are arrested for child abuse.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 01, 2015 09:21 PM (WV80V)

806 Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 09:18 PM (noWW6)

My proposition was that post birth abortion should be legal until the fourth trimester of college!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:21 PM (ftVQq)

807

aaannndddd its their business but Epsicopalians just voted to do gay weddings

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:21 PM (zOTsN)

808 Posted by: Jen the original at July 01, 2015 09:15 PM (WV80V)

What a great post, and how true.
However, those values aren't exactly selling points these days, and may have contributed to the decision.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 01, 2015 09:22 PM (XmOA9)

809 things are going to happen faster and faster

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:24 PM (zOTsN)

810 TBH.... I never knew what an Episcopalian was.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:24 PM (MDgS8)

811 Jen, now that I think about it, the nephews might enjoy it. They also like duck dynasty. And deer camp.

Suck it liberals!

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 09:24 PM (vmMMi)

812 So from their web site it sure looks like Annin is not selling the CBF !

Mine was Stars and Stripes but the selection of CBF is quite a bit more than when I looked a few days ago. Didn't look where the CBF were made. My last one was a Gadsden "Don't Tread on Me" that lasted thru quite a few winters here.

Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 09:24 PM (ahBY0)

813 aaannndddd its their business but Epsicopalians just voted to do gay weddings

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:21 PM (zOTsN)


This seems eerily reminiscent of when all the intelligence sources said the USSR was really in good shape, and the next day the Berlin Wall came down; except for us, it's the other way around, the walls are going up and they're going up fast!!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:24 PM (ftVQq)

814 Really?

Posted by: Communist China at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (0NdlF)

Probably the point of your sock, but yeah, I prefer polygamy to forced abortions.

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 09:26 PM (ZbV+0)

815 Episcopalians are Church of England but not in England

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:26 PM (zOTsN)

816 I've said many times these last several years that when the wall came down, they didn't let freedom in, they let communism out.
It's not exactly accurate, but can't be proven wrong either.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 01, 2015 09:28 PM (XmOA9)

817 814 Really?
Posted by: Communist China at July 01, 2015 09:07 PM (0NdlF)

Probably the point of your sock, but yeah, I prefer polygamy to forced abortions.
Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 09:26 PM (ZbV+0)

At this point, they need women with multiple husbands...

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 09:28 PM (vmMMi)

818
US v Japan in the world cup final.

I know you don't care.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:28 PM (MDgS8)

819 782 Better find religion then.

I've got that covered, thanks. My denomination is going to be destroyed by the recent SC ruling, but I'm okay.

Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 09:29 PM (ueOgE)

820 Thx ThunderB.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:30 PM (MDgS8)

821 If Little Ceasars new fist thru the laptop commercial is aimed and PJ they've hit the mark.
-------------

I just saw that ad tonight- the hands are punched through the laptops backwards?

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at July 01, 2015 09:30 PM (bA+CL)

822 US v Japan in the world cup final.

I know you don't care.
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:28 PM (MDgS

I do. I've been watching the whole tournament. Great stuff. Kinda sad how England lost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 09:30 PM (/tNwW)

823 813 Many Episcopalians already quit, this was not unexpected. Methodists will probably be next.

Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 09:32 PM (ueOgE)

824
Wasn't the Church of England Henry IIX's church?

Basically so he could marry Anne of a thousand days?

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:32 PM (MDgS8)

825 US v Japan in the world cup final.

Cup of what?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 01, 2015 09:33 PM (W5DcG)

826 Cup of soccer playing chicks.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 09:34 PM (MDgS8)

827 a man's home is his castle is like way old skool thinking and needs to be tossed into history the the tv show 'The Dukes of Hazard'?

I was in a bookstore in Denver a few days ago, and there was a book (in the discount section, I think) titled something like "Scientific ideas that should be discarded". Among the ideas that should be discarded are individualism, free will, and causation. Because science has proven that these things are just an illusion, that there is no point in trying to learn from the past because quantum effects make effects totally random from actions.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 01, 2015 09:35 PM (falEX)

828 >>>Cup of what?



Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 01, 2015 09:33 PM (W5DcG)<<<

Two girls' (soccer teams), one Cup.

Posted by: FIFA at July 01, 2015 09:35 PM (Ydaoe)

829 813 Hrothgar, it's a preference cascade. I suppose that in orgs heavily infiltrated by SJWs, the dominoes will fall quickly for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 09:36 PM (ueOgE)

830 Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 09:36 PM (ueOgE)


Seemingly, there are NO organizations that are not heavily infested with SJWs.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:38 PM (ftVQq)

831 Dukes of Hazzard ought to have been banned for perpetuating the insidious and immoral Robin Hood storyline, not a silly graphic design.

Posted by: Ayn Rand at July 01, 2015 09:39 PM (Cq0oW)

832 BTW Gadsden and Culpeper just accepted a CBF order!

Now off to spend money on Mike F.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:40 PM (ftVQq)

833 aaannndddd its their business but Epsicopalians just voted to do gay weddings
Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:21 PM (zOTsN)
---

Just so long as they let us keep doing the gay funerals.

Posted by: ISIS at July 01, 2015 09:42 PM (QNcbF)

834 793 I just got an Annin with embroidered stars from Gadsden that is made in the USA. She's a beaut.


Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 09:04 PM (ahBY0)

So from their web site it sure looks like Annin is not selling the CBF !
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:13 PM (ftVQq)


Yes, Annin flags are top-notch.

Flag Store USA told me that all manufacture of CBFs ceased in the U.S. as of 6/22. That sure sounds like government intimidation to me. After all, the government must be a major customer of flag manufacturers.

Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2015 09:45 PM (sdi6R)

835 the hands are punched through the laptops backwards?

Yeah but it's easy to see they're laptops.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 09:46 PM (DL2i+)

836 aaannndddd its their business but Epsicopalians just voted to do gay weddings
Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 09:21 PM (zOTsN)

I thought they went that way a while ago.
And as someone mentioned upthread, the Methodists will be next. They've been jonesing for this for a while to bring in more money.

It why I left and won't be back.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 01, 2015 09:47 PM (WV80V)

837 No hitter on FS1 2 out in the 8th

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 09:48 PM (ZbV+0)

838 Seriously? You need to ask?! Fuck those people.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 01, 2015 08:33 PM (2dhyU)


That is what I am thinking... I have loved my prime membership but I cannot do business with censorious assholes.
mynewhandle, I was very polite to the customer service person... I immediately asked for her supervisor so that she wouldn't have to deal with a complaint that she had no hope of helping me with.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 01, 2015 09:49 PM (NPofj)

839 On base hit with 2 strikes

Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2015 09:50 PM (ZbV+0)

840 Flag Store USA told me that all manufacture of CBFs ceased in the U.S.
as of 6/22. That sure sounds like government intimidation to me. After
all, the government must be a major customer of flag manufacturers.

Gadsden has about half of what they offer of CBFs sold out, but I'd bet it's because they're actually sold out, I hope. Or the ones that are available are made in China. Seems like a nice small company to deal with.

Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 09:51 PM (ahBY0)

841 The Episcopalian church is an artificial construct.
It was formed at the whimsy of bloody tyrant.
Just my $.02 worth.
Sorry if I pissed off an Episcopalians, but I have a feeling there aren't many here anyway.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 01, 2015 09:52 PM (JgC5a)

842 I thought Episcopalians already had allowed gay marriage. Maybe it was only a few congregations.

Posted by: PaleRider at July 01, 2015 09:53 PM (dkExz)

843 Well, early to bed and early to rise. Good night, fellow Morons of all gender and species identifications.

Posted by: Agent J at July 01, 2015 09:53 PM (ueOgE)

844 Telling you right now: Washington Redskins is next; and it's gonna happen real fast.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at July 01, 2015 09:18 PM (uoqdk)

***

Of course it will, and this is not exactly an edgy opinion. Our King has made his feelings known on the matter. His MFM Flying Monkeys have their marching orders.

So he has said, so let it be done.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 01, 2015 09:53 PM (2z4UX)

845 Guys, I can't boycott everyone who pisses me off. My standard of living will be in the toilet. Which is just as much a victory for these $#!+slurpers as anything else.

This is just getting ridiculous. And I question what good it would do anyway.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 01, 2015 09:53 PM (m9V0o)

846 Speaking of "tolerance":

De Blasio: We're Reviewing Trump's NYC Contracts over "Disgusting" Comments

http://tinyurl.com/pbztc8q

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 01, 2015 09:53 PM (7YlUk)

847 Posted by: redbanzai at July 01, 2015 09:49 PM (NPofj)

I think I am going to pull the plug on Amazon as well. They have been my go to store for a long time, but enough is enough, and I'll wind up saving money in the long run because it it so hard to find the stuff I need I just won't buy it anywhere.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 09:54 PM (ftVQq)

848 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 01, 2015 09:54 PM (KCxzN)

849 I've been working on an AoSHQ t-shirt design for the 'ettes and I hastily sketched these in colored pencil, (raaaaaacist!)

Quick sketch: http://tinyurl.com/or5nq8g

Refined mess: http://tinyurl.com/p695y5e

Once done with clean lines and symmetrical form? I'm thinking the spade turned into the upside-down heart could "be something".

Don't worry about being "cruel". I know the drawings are quick and crude.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 01, 2015 09:55 PM (OQ9R7)

850 I cancelled my Macy's account today.
Screw those people.
I probably spent a couple grand a year there.
I am not even that much of a Trump fan, but the very idea that they would even engage in such fascist tactics dictates that I shall never darker their doors again.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 01, 2015 09:55 PM (JgC5a)

851 We don't kill gays. We're trying to evolve the world's first flying gay.

Posted by: ISIS evolutionary biologist at July 01, 2015 09:55 PM (mG3Qj)

852 644 needs moar bacon

Posted by: flounder at July 01, 2015 09:55 PM (Vf5rR)

853 "Scientific ideas that should be discarded". Among the ideas that should be discarded are individualism, free will, and causation. Because science has proven that these things are just an illusion, that there is no point in trying to learn from the past because quantum effects make effects totally random from actions.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 01, 2015 09:35 PM (falEX)

Stoner logic. Drunkard logic, whatever. I've had these drunken conversations before, and they are easily destroyed. You say causation is false? Well, what if I told you water put in a pot on top of fire would get warmer? Oh, so there are some things that cause other things. Then we are going to argue no causation only on the political and social issues you advocate for then, correct?
If they are sentient, it's settled by "fuck you, get me another beer".

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 01, 2015 09:57 PM (XmOA9)

854 840
Gadsden has about half of what they offer of CBFs sold out, but I'd bet it's because they're actually sold out, I hope. Or the ones that are available are made in China. Seems like a nice small company to deal with.

Posted by: dartist at July 01, 2015 09:51 PM (ahBY0)



Yes, made in China. See my #742. Not nearly as nice as Annin, but it didn't surprise me, given the price.

Gadsden and Culpeper have some really nice stuff. I am convinced that alexthechick posed for one of their t-shirts.

http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/modern-tyrannicide.html

Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2015 09:58 PM (sdi6R)

855 Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 01, 2015 09:53 PM (m9V0o)gg

This.

So you stop going to liberal-owned stores, stop going to movies, et al.

Fine. Who built your home? Did they use union labor? Illegal? What about the raw supplies? Where did they come from?

The simple truth is that we are interconnected enough that it's impossible to do anything without enriching some liberal somewhere.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at July 01, 2015 09:59 PM (cv6Ng)

856 On base hit with 2 strikes

Is that the womens cup thing?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 01, 2015 09:59 PM (W5DcG)

857 I'm really sorry about it, but Hillary can't suck it.

Posted by: goon at July 01, 2015 09:59 PM (gy5kE)

858 Flag Store USA told me that all manufacture of CBFs ceased in the U.S. as of 6/22. That sure sounds like government intimidation to me. After all, the government must be a major customer of flag manufacturers.


Sounds like a business activity.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 01, 2015 09:59 PM (Vf5rR)

859 About the "How you doin'?" item in the sidebar, I have to disagree with this whole "Free The Nipple" movement. I love women's breasts, and I don't want them to stop being the magical sources of awe and wonder that they are now. And that's exactly what would happen if you could see them just anywhere.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 01, 2015 10:00 PM (wKc1L)

860 845
Guys, I can't boycott everyone who pisses me off. My standard of living
will be in the toilet. Which is just as much a victory for these
$#!+slurpers as anything else.



This is just getting ridiculous. And I question what good it would do anyway.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 01, 2015 09:53 PM (m9V0o)


Has Amazon ever made money? I thought they were still burning through cash in which case I'm fine buying things there.
CNN had a guy on that sold confederate flags and other items. Business is booming. Ironically enough, the big stores abandoning confederate flags are probably helping a few good people like him - so there's that.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at July 01, 2015 10:01 PM (AC0lD)

861 "The simple truth is that we are interconnected
enough that it's impossible to do anything without enriching some
liberal somewhere.
"

-Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at July 01, 2015 09:59 PM (cv6Ng)
That is true, but you can "vote", albeit minimally with your dollar.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) T at July 01, 2015 10:01 PM (OQ9R7)

862 "Many Episcopalians already quit, this was not unexpected. Methodists will probably be next."

Well, the Lez-byterians beat them all to it back in March.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 10:02 PM (noWW6)

863 859 About the "How you doin'?" item in the sidebar, I have to disagree with this whole "Free The Nipple" movement. I love women's breasts, and I don't want them to stop being the magical sources of awe and wonder that they are now. And that's exactly what would happen if you could see them just anywhere.

What happens next is that every man becomes an eye-rapist.

And then after a few Lena Dunhams strut their stuff, the entire nation goes blind.

Modesty is for our own protection.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 10:03 PM (0NdlF)

864 Well, the Lez-byterians beat them all to it back in March.



Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 10:02 PM (noWW6)

I think the Calvinists are still holding firm!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 10:04 PM (ftVQq)

865 The simple truth is that we are interconnected enough that it's impossible to do anything without enriching some liberal somewhere.

"Can't beat the liberals, so don't even try"

Well, doesn't that just sum up the GOP?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 01, 2015 10:05 PM (0NdlF)

866 Just threw a few more $$ to Mike Flynn, prayers are next!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 01, 2015 10:06 PM (ftVQq)

867 ONT up

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at July 01, 2015 10:06 PM (AC0lD)

868
so

this Pope Francis. Whats he gonna do

I think that's why they got rid of Benedict, he was going to clear out the gay mafia in the church hierarchy and they got him first

they got the pope they wanted. So whats he gonna do

Posted by: ThunderB at July 01, 2015 10:06 PM (zOTsN)

869 I'm really sorry about it, but Hillary can't suck it.
Posted by: goon at July 01, 2015 09:59 PM (gy5kE)
---
I never fight with Hillary cuz I always get licked in the end.

Posted by: Huma Abedin at July 01, 2015 10:07 PM (mG3Qj)

870 Well, what if I told you water put in a pot on top of fire would get warmer?

Burn you! You are a witch!

Seirously, I think a lot of political argument is already like tat: you predicted that leftist policy A would cause result B? You must have secretly caused result B!

The book was huge, and had seemingly no problem finding brainwashed leftists to write essays for it (one I remember is Richard Dawkins, assuming I am not confusing him with the talk show host from Running Man).

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 01, 2015 10:10 PM (falEX)

871 That is true, but you can "vote", albeit minimally with your dollar.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) T at July 01, 2015 10:01 PM (OQ9R7)

And I support this voting through the wallet.

What I don't support is the notion that if I do anything, participate in any commerce of any sort and that commerce enriches any liberal anywhere then I'm part of the problem.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at July 01, 2015 10:14 PM (cv6Ng)

872 "What I don't support is the notion that if I do anything, participate in any commerce of any sort and that commerce enriches any liberal anywhere then I'm part of the problem."
-Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at July 01, 2015 10:14 PM (cv6Ng)

Agreed. I cannot take politics into consideration at every step. That's not any way to enjoy life.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 01, 2015 10:18 PM (OQ9R7)

873 So you stop going to liberal-owned stores, stop going to movies, et al.



Fine. Who built your home? Did they use union labor? Illegal? What about the raw supplies? Where did they come from?



The simple truth is that we are interconnected enough that it's
impossible to do anything without enriching some liberal somewhere.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at July 01, 2015 09:59 PM (cv6Ng)


And yet if we keep letting it go, we will be increasingly marginalized. Companies have an automatic reflex to appease liberals is because they have been willing to make them suffer economically if they don't.

I do think this is an arbitrage opportunity for conservatives who want to start competing companies.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 01, 2015 10:23 PM (NPofj)

874 The left today really scares me. They want to control people, and they want to eliminate anyone that doesn't agree with them. They are totalitarians, and they are making a lot of headway in implementing their agenda. I wonder when they are going to start sending people to the reeducation camps?

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at July 01, 2015 10:31 PM (BCTRd)

875 #874: Hillary! has already talked up the idea of "Adult Fun Camps". That's a euphemism if I ever heard one.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 01, 2015 11:03 PM (wKc1L)

876 From what I see Googling, it looks like that European country with a total school voucher system is Sweden. I'll bet saying "We should adopt the Swedish education model" will sucker a leftist even better than Dutch or European model.

Posted by: gensec at July 01, 2015 11:08 PM (T7Zt0)

877 874
I wonder when they are going to start sending people to the reeducation camps?

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at July 01, 2015 10:31 PM (BCTRd)



They've already started.

Posted by: rickl at July 02, 2015 01:10 AM (sdi6R)

878 Flynn was great. He may be cut out more for maybe becoming the new William F. Buckley than some shlub in the House, always fighting off the Boehners of the world though, and do more good.

And he mentioned Breitbart. LaHood's people will use that for all it's worth.

Posted by: pj at July 02, 2015 01:12 AM (cHuNI)

879 Mornin'.

Posted by: Weasel at July 02, 2015 07:12 AM (6xtq3)

880 ""No HOA" is one of the things I am looking for in our next home."

One of the reasons our house is up for sale is because of the crazy HOA rules and municipal codes.

Posted by: Calvin Dodge at July 02, 2015 11:41 AM (pZNXX)

881 A couple points to address a few of you:

Buzzion:

Of course a parent has a right (within reason) to choose where their children go to school. The question is, should taxpayer money go to funding religious education. I say no. Full stop. No. Never. No tax dollars for Christian schools. No tax dollars for Muslim schools. No tax dollars for Scientology schools.

And I say within reason because, obviously, since compulsory education is a legal requirement going back a century, the government has the obligation to define a minimum threshold of what an education is. So, of course, me letting my kids play Halo all day would not count as school.

As for someone asking about a right to marry?

This isn't really about a right to marry. We have a right to equal protection under the law and due process.

Let me spell this out slowly so it's really simple:

The government could, theoretically, get out of the marriage game entirely. They could legally disband all marriages and remove all references to it in the tax code, the laws of intestacy, wrongful death statutes, as well as every other of the thousands of places it appears in federal, state and local laws.

What a government could not do is allow, say, whites to marry but not blacks. That is what we would call an equal protection violation. The law must be applied equally to everyone.

Since that is clear enough, it shouldn't be too difficult to move from race to sexual orientation. It's just not that big of a stretch. If we can't exclude Jews, Blacks, or the elderly from marriage, well, you can add gays to that list. Welcome to the 21st Century.

Balancing Freedoms?

Believe it or not, all laws require a balancing of freedoms. My freedom to drink and drive runs into your freedom to travel safely on the road. So the legislature balances those freedoms and decides to restrict my freedom over yours.

My freedom to have a loud party at my house collides with your right to be able to exist peacefully in yours. Who can decide where to draw the line? Your city counsel probably did.

That's how laws get written. It's always a balancing act of competing rights and freedoms. And basically all laws restrict someone's freedom.

And who gets to balance these freedoms? Lawmakers. Unless the law violates a Constitution in some way, in which case it may be struck down or altered by a court. Purely hetero-marriage was found to have violated the Constitution. So here we are.

Posted by: seattle slough at July 02, 2015 02:12 PM (mCz8+)

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