Overnight Open Thread (6-28-2015)

Quote of the Day I - Our New Reality

Exchanges established by the federal government are exchanges established by the state. Rachel Dolezal is black. Iran will honor an agreement not to develop nuclear weapons. ISIS is a JV team. There's an epidemic of sexual assaults on college campuses. Michael Brown had his hands up and pleaded "don't shoot." Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. Obamacare is working. 2+2 doesn't necessarily equal 4. The polar ice caps are disappearing. The IRS is doing a decent job. The border is secure.We've ended two wars responsibly. Hillary Clinton turned over all work-related e-mails. An $18,200,000,000,000 debt can grow without mention. People who burn down buildings and overturn cars aren't thugs. The OPM hack is manageable. We've reset relations with Russia. Entitlement reform can be kicked down the road. We're more respected around the world.

-- Peter Kirsanow in Reality Is Now Discretionary

Quote of the Day II - dar al Gay Edition

Two plus two equals five. A severed head plus "Allahu Akbar!" equals "Nothing to do with Islam." Network screenings of Gone With The Wind plus Uncle Ben's rice equals blatant incitement to mass murder. A nice chichi gay couple at 27 Elm Street and a firebreathing imam and his four child brides at 29 Elm Street equals the social harmony of a multiculti utopia.

Where is this story headed? The warriors of the caliphate divide the planet into the dar al Islam and the dar al harb - the house of war. In reality, it's a struggle between the dar al Islam and the dar al Gay: Liberty in the fin de civilisation west means sexual liberty and nothing else - which is why one consequence of yesterday's decision is that freedom of expression and freedom of religion will increasingly be confined to what Justice Alito called the deepest recesses of your home.

-- Mark Steyn

Quote of the Day III

After all, the greengrocer was a threat to the system not because of any physical or actual power he had, but because his action went beyond itself, because it illuminated its surroundings and, of course, because of the incalculable consequences of that illumination. In the post-totalitarian system, therefore, living within the truth has more than a mere existential dimension (returning humanity to its inherent nature), or a noetic dimension (revealing reality as it is), or a moral dimension (setting an example for others). It also has an unambiguous political dimension. If the main pillar of the system is living a lie, then it is not surprising that the fundamental threat to it is living the truth. This is why it must be suppressed more severely than anything else.

In the post-totalitarian system, truth in the widest sense of the word has a very special import, one unknown in other contexts. In this system, truth plays a far greater (and, above all, a far different) role as a factor of power, or as an outright political force.

-- Vaclav Havel in the Power of the Powerless

Meanwhile the Gleischaltung immediately rolls on:

Politico Mag Writer Says 'It's Time to Legalize Polygamy.'

Time Writer: Now's the Time To End Tax Exemptions for Religious Institutions

Politico Writer Says Gay Marriage is Superior to Regular Marriage

Dailybeast Writer: Did The Four Dissenting Justices In Gay Marriage Case Just Suggest Treason?

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Andy McCarthy: It's Time To Give Up on the Supreme Court as a Court

Here former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy argues that we should just admit that the Supreme Court has now become a supra-legislature and treat it as such.

Did you notice that there was not an iota of speculation about how the four Progressive justices would vote?

There was never a shadow of a doubt. In the plethora of opinions generated by these three cases, there is not a single one authored by Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan, or Sonia Sotomayor. There was no need. They are the Left's voting bloc. There was a better chance that the sun would not rise this morning than that any of them would wander off the reservation.

...And it is not so much that they move in lockstep. It is that no one expects them to do anything but move in lockstep - not their fellow justices, not the political branches, and certainly not the commentariat, right or left.

It is simply accepted that these justices are not there to judge. They are there to vote. They get to the desired outcome the same way disparate-impact voodoo always manages to get to discrimination: Start at the end and work backwards. Guiding precedents are for the quaint business of administering justice. In the social justice business, the road never before traveled will do if one less traveled is unavailable. But there's a problem. Once it has become a given that a critical mass of the Supreme Court is no longer expected, much less obliged, to do law, then the Court is no longer a legal institution. It is a political institution.

So forget Constitutional strict constructionalism and all that and simply strive to get conservative electors into our third legislative body to start voting against the progressive bloc.

John Hinderaker of Power Line suggests that if we're now in a post-constitutional era, the conservative justices should start discovering new 'fundamental rights' more to our side's liking:

For example, how about a "fundamental right" not to pay income taxes in a percentage exceeding that which other Americans are charged? Why isn't the progressive income tax a violation of the equal protection clause? That is a much stronger argument than the one the Court has just accepted on gay marriage. Or, how about a theory that the Internal Revenue Service is violating Americans' right of privacy-that same right of privacy that the Court found among the emanations and penumbras of the Constitution's actual provisions-in seeking extensive information about taxpayers' finances?

Or how about a fundamental right to affordable energy-or, rather, to be free of government policies that unreasonably raise the cost of energy? If the Supreme Court discovered such a right, the EPA's anti-coal regulations would be unconstitutional. You could write a decision in support of such a "fundamental right" that would be at least as persuasive as Justice Kennedy's "fortune cookie" travesty. What is more fundamental than heating your home and driving your car? To paraphrase Justice Kennedy, what if a voice cries out in the night, saying, "Honey! Can you turn the heat up?"

If conservatives are willing to abandon the archaic notion that the Supreme Court is a court and not a super-legislature, there is no telling what conservative policies might be advanced.

Post-Obergefell, Dissent Is Now The Highest Form Of Bigotry

And must be suppressed.

I thought about this in the aftermath of the Supreme Court's decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, especially when a friend alerted me that the editors of The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, PA, had declared, within minutes of the announcement of the decision: "As a result of Friday's ruling, PennLive/The Patriot-News will no longer accept, nor will it print, op-Eds and letters to the editor in opposition to same-sex marriage."

In a tweet later in the morning, the paper's Editorial and Opinions Editor John L. Micek (until recently a state capitol reporter-yikes!) explained himself curtly: "This is not hard: We would not print racist, sexist or anti-Semitic letters. To that, we add homophobic ones. Pretty simple."

...This is why it was important for the LGBT movement that same-sex marriage be affirmed by the high court rather than piecemeal in the states: Statutes are contingent and temporary, dependent on shifting allegiances and majorities; the Supreme Court is permanent, accountable to no one. The people and our elected representatives are subjective and unreliable; the Supreme Court is objective and irrefutable.

The Patriot-News isn't censoring bigotry. If it were, it would have been rejecting anti-same-sex marriage letters yesterday as well as today. It is censoring dissent-dissent from the new orthodoxy proclaimed by our secular Magisterium, dissent from the prevailing viewpoint of our oligarchs, dissent from the state. And we are to conform ourselves to this orthodoxy not because it is good, but because the state so ordains it.

The Patriot-News later backed off a bit and said that they will allow letters with wrong-think about gay marriage for a limited amount of time.

The 20 Hottest Conservative Women In The New Media for 2015

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Grexit Coming: Greek Banks, Stock Market Closed Tomorrow, Capital Controls Imposed

The Greek government called for a referendum on July 5th on whether to accept the ECB bailout terms or leave the Euro. But events may be already overtaking their plans.

Greece has moved to close its banks and impose capital controls to prevent financial chaos following the breakdown of bailout talks with its international creditors. The dramatic move on Sunday night came after the European Central Bank announced it would freeze the amount of emergency loans it supplied to keep the Greek banking system afloat.Officials said the bank closure would last for several days and would be accompanied by limits yet to be announced on bank transfers abroad and withdrawals from cash machines. The cashing of cheques would be halted and fixed term deposits would be locked down. The Athens stock exchange was also set to be closed.

WWII Weapons In The Syrian Civil War

Each weapon is vignetted with a representative still image, followed by still photos and video footage of the actual weapon(s) in question being used in the conflict. Notable weapons include a chromed or nickeled Beretta 38 submachine gun, a cache of MAS 36 rifles, what appears to be a rearsenaled or civilian production M1 Garand, a PTRS-41 14.5x114mm anti-materiel rifle, and of course several of the StG-44s captured from a Syrian government stockpile by rebel fighters.

What It's Like to Be in the Blue Man Group

In the smaller shows there is typically seven full time guys. In the bigger shows, like Vegas, there are upwards of nine guys full time. The reason is because we do so many shows. In New York, the typical Broadway run is eight shows a week, and we will often do much more than that. On a slow week we'll do 12, and on a high week we can do upwards of 20. So we need those extra guys to do those shows. This is also another reason why guys stick around for so long, because there is less of a grind that way. There will be slow weeks and you can take leaves of absence to do other artworks. Its just a much more stable, supportive environment that way. And for a theater gig. it was 12 years with 401K, full benefits for me, my wife, and my kid, a really stable setup.
So immediately after the show, we go and clean up a little bit. And this has been a really important part of the show since the beginning, we go and meet the audience as they're leaving the theater. That's a really special part of the show too, or one that I've always enjoyed because you can shed the character slightly. We always talk about that it's 80 percent  Blue Man and 20 percent just yourself at that point. So if someone comes to you and says, 'That show meant so much to me,' you can very quietly say, 'Thanks a lot.' We're not the hardcore character in that moment even though we're still in make up.

The point of that part is so that the person right next to you can have that connection, but the person across the room still just sees a Blue Man. ...So that's about 15-20 minutes. Then we go downstairs, and as we're getting out of makeup, in this other important Blue Man tradition, we have about a 20 minute conversation with the stage manager of the night and the band. We talk about all these different parts of the show. And this is why, again, that guys can stay in it for so long, because it is always, always, always considered a work in progress. There's always stuff that can be done better. Just because there's a guy who's been doing it for 12 or 15 or 16 years, doesn't give them any kind of 'Get Out of Jail Free' card. We're working on stuff day-to-day just as much as trainees are basically.

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Early 80s Comedies: Cocaine Fueled Cinematic Insanity

DC Cab (1983)

When Mr. T is the most subtle and nuanced character in your film, you know there's issues. You can't tell me Gary Busey isn't on near-lethal levels of coke in this movie; it's almost scary to watch. Also, take note of the mad inclination of all the male characters to start randomly dry humping.

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Sad News at Casa Maetenloch

On Friday we had to put one of our cats to sleep due at aggressive liver cancer. We had Kitty for 9 years but he was already 5 to 8 years old when we rescued him from living (unhappily) under a neighbor's back porch so he was an old cat. He had a very happy life during that time and even his final hours with us in the garden were as happy as they could be given his condition.

After we had had him for a while Mrs. Maetenloch demanded that he be given a real, official name so I dubbed him Kittybot Cougar Unit12. She was not exactly pleased with this. So he became known as Kitty to friends and family and Cougar to outsiders.

He was a good-natured cat who truly loved to be with us and people in general. He was happiest just being wherever humans were and would follow us from room to room to hang out. In fact many an ONT was created with Kitty sleeping at the base of my desk. From waiting in the bathroom in the morning while we got ready for work to greeting us at door when we got home to sleeping in our bed at night, he was a constant happy presence in our lives for nine years. And now we have a Kitty-sized hole in our lives.

RIP Kitty, a good loving cat.

Kitty1

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1 No way!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 28, 2015 11:10 PM (p7dd/)

2 Woot woot ont

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:10 PM (Xehhp)

3 Way, baby. Manspreads in the roomy new thread.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 28, 2015 11:10 PM (p7dd/)

4 Hola, amigoz en loz intertuboz!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:11 PM (EzgxV)

5 Sorry Maet.
The worst thing about pets is that their stay is way too short

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:12 PM (Xehhp)

6 the readings and gospel today were fitting for the times we now find ourselves living in.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 28, 2015 11:14 PM (0O7c5)

7 Aw, Maet. I'm so sorry to hear about your loss.




*Clinks glass to monitor frame* Here's to Kitty, a good loving cat!

Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:17 PM (EzgxV)

8 Here is the "News of the Week" compilation of the news.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=9419

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2015 11:18 PM (7YlUk)

9 Once it has become a given that a critical mass of the Supreme Court is no longer expected, much less obliged, to do law, then the Court is no longer a legal institution. It is a political institution.

Actually, it's more like an insane asylum.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 28, 2015 11:18 PM (MYSVz)

10 Hey everybody.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 28, 2015 11:19 PM (ntObR)

11 Sorry about your Kitty.. We lost our beloved English Setter in Nov.

Posted by: donna at June 28, 2015 11:19 PM (Bn6aD)

12 Ah, Maet, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Bet that hole in your heart is a lot bigger than Kitty.

Posted by: speedster1 on the ipad at June 28, 2015 11:19 PM (1brdf)

13 Hugs, Maet, and sweet Kitty rest in peace.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 11:19 PM (BVDFs)

14 Beware of Greeks, whether they're bearing gifts or not.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 28, 2015 11:19 PM (oZr5y)

15 It is simply accepted that these justices are not there to judge. They are there to vote. They get to the desired outcome the same way disparate-impact voodoo always manages to get to discrimination: Start at the end and work backwards. Guiding precedents are for the quaint business of administering justice. In the social justice business, the road never before traveled will do if one less traveled is unavailable. But there's a problem. Once it has become a given that a critical mass of the Supreme Court is no longer expected, much less obliged, to do law, then the Court is no longer a legal institution. It is a political institution.


--Couldn't have said it better myself, by a long shot.

Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2015 11:19 PM (z0HrT)

16 rip kitty......maet.....you your family were good guardians to your friend....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 28, 2015 11:19 PM (0O7c5)

17 It occurs to me that if you want to tax churches, just institute the Fair Tax. Churches have to buy sh-t too.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 28, 2015 11:20 PM (c/Ipt)

18 so what's up for this week?

SCOTUE-care and gay marriage was so last week?

ISIS hit on the USA?

EMP?

Russian in the baltica/Scandi

Kate Upton is gay?

Teh beer tax come back at 8x the original?

boobehs stop bouncing?





Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:20 PM (PY/7D)

19 I've seen "mynewhandle" around, but it doesn't seem like I've seen him around enough to be nearly twice as many posts as the next guy....perhaps there were some invisible ones?

Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:20 PM (EzgxV)

20 Well then we will have to expand the pool of potential GOP supreme court picks to outside of the jurist pool.

Because what we need are conservative ideologs and they tend not to be judges.

The Democrats and the media will fight this tooth and nail.

We are going to have to muscle through but alas could you see Mitch McConnell or Miss Lindsy going along with this plan?

No way in hell is an outright conservative ideolog getting on the SCOTUS.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 28, 2015 11:20 PM (WVvzl)

21 Evening morons, how fares the horde?

Night 2 of 6.

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court decisions this past week were not merely bad dreams.

Wish I had a beer to sip on...but the medical board frowns upon mixing alcohol and patient care.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 28, 2015 11:21 PM (b2cFu)

22 10 Hey everybody.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 28, 2015 11:19 PM (ntObR)

Steve!

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:21 PM (Xehhp)

23 Reality is for chumps.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 28, 2015 11:22 PM (oZr5y)

24 I've seen "mynewhandle" around, but it doesn't seem like I've seen him around enough to be nearly twice as many posts as the next guy....perhaps there were some invisible ones?
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:20 PM (EzgxV)

***

Quite the prolific daywalker poster.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 28, 2015 11:22 PM (Mg6e/)

25 21"..........
Wish I had a beer to sip on...but the medical board frowns upon mixing alcohol and patient care.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 28, 2015 11:21 PM (b2cFu)

Fuck it, the SCOTUS doesn't mix law with decisions

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:23 PM (Xehhp)

26 24 I've seen "mynewhandle" around, but it doesn't seem like I've seen him around enough to be nearly twice as many posts as the next guy....perhaps there were some invisible ones?
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:20 PM (EzgxV)

***

Quite the prolific daywalker poster.

Yes... I'm normally a day "walker" here too. Just thought I would check in...

Posted by: donna at June 28, 2015 11:23 PM (Bn6aD)

27 24 I've seen "mynewhandle" around, but it doesn't seem like I've seen him around enough to be nearly twice as many posts as the next guy....perhaps there were some invisible ones?
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:20 PM (EzgxV)

***

Quite the prolific daywalker poster.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 28, 2015 11:22 PM (Mg6e/)



Well, that could explain it, since I'm generally here.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:23 PM (EzgxV)

28 fuck I can't tpye

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:24 PM (PY/7D)

29 Poor Maet kitty!

Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2015 11:24 PM (z0HrT)

30 Sorry about your kitteh, Maet.

Man, I am tired and, after that last thread, pretty depressed.

Good night, horde.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at June 28, 2015 11:24 PM (+XMAD)

31 One consequence of yesterday's decision is that freedom of expression
and freedom of religion will increasingly be confined to what Justice
Alito called the deepest recesses of your home mind.

There. Fixed that for y'all.

Posted by: PPs43 at June 28, 2015 11:25 PM (gs8t9)

32 I'm afraid I just blue myself.

Posted by: Tobias at June 28, 2015 11:25 PM (kivUY)

33 25 21"..........
Wish I had a beer to sip on...but the medical board frowns upon mixing alcohol and patient care.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 28

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Beer is a fundamental right. It's right there in the Constitution.

Posted by: Justice Anthony Kennedy at June 28, 2015 11:25 PM (oZr5y)

34 Just feel like after last week I need to go somewhere other than the regular news... I guess I'm hoping things will somehow change... Figure it's probably not reality based..

Posted by: donna at June 28, 2015 11:25 PM (Bn6aD)

35 which is why one consequence of yesterday's decision is that freedom of expression and freedom of religion will increasingly be confined to what Justice Alito called the deepest recesses of your home.
-- Mark Steyn


Get in the closet, bigots!

Posted by: The Lavender Mafia at June 28, 2015 11:25 PM (7YlUk)

36 In your heart, you know SMOD2016 is right.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 28, 2015 11:25 PM (+4uXG)

37 I saw the BMG on the road. I was disappointed, frankly. I think after Cirque nothing will ever measure up in that type of performance.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at June 28, 2015 11:26 PM (93KBH)

38 >>to what Justice
Alito called the deepest recesses of your home mind.

Wonder how long it will be before I put size 10 in mouth?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:26 PM (Xehhp)

39 What was 'my new handles's' old nic?

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:27 PM (PY/7D)

40 Don't worry, it's all good, but the governor of Puerto Rico just announced they're defaulting on about $72B worth of debt. That should have a nice effect on the municipal bond market (which we're told is rock solid, nothing to worry about....hah). Oh, don't worry, they can't legally default, but they can not pay.

It's a nice time to make that little announcement with the GreeceFire getting started. Maybe no one will notice.

One thing I was sure of was the efforts of the Fed and everyone else to "save" the markets was going to lead to an even bigger crash. I just didn't know when and how long the illusion would last. This may be the start, but I'm not sure. We'll know soon enough.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 28, 2015 11:27 PM (dvuhZ)

41 daywalkers unite and take over the ont!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 28, 2015 11:27 PM (0O7c5)

42 Nite Donna

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:27 PM (Xehhp)

43 Nite Donna

You too...

Posted by: donna at June 28, 2015 11:28 PM (Bn6aD)

44 Awww just saw about Kitty. So sorry, Maet.

My first cat in childhood was also Kitty, a gray tiger cat.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at June 28, 2015 11:28 PM (93KBH)

45 Two areas where conservatives still seem to be doing really well judicially:

- 2A/gun rights.
- Undermining failing public schools.

There was also the Hobby Lobby decision last year.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure folks here will let me know...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 28, 2015 11:28 PM (ntObR)

46 Oopsey. Home was supposed to have a line through it.

Posted by: PPs43 at June 28, 2015 11:28 PM (gs8t9)

47 As usual, Denninger has some insight into the GreeceFire situation -- https://market-ticker.org/ akcs-www?post=230278

Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:29 PM (EzgxV)

48 Late because I watched the WWII weapons in Syria. I actually cried out "NO!" when they showed the pics of them using an STG-44. I know it's a war and I know it's a weapon and it was meant to be used that way, but I'll trade an M4 straight up for the STG. I'll throw in a thousand rounds of .223. Probably easier for them to find more of that and 5.56 too. Call me Syrains. *makes phone wavey hand sign*

Posted by: Weirddave at June 28, 2015 11:29 PM (7TK5d)

49 Sorry about your kitty, Maet. Remember the good years you gave him and he gave you.

Posted by: joncelli at June 28, 2015 11:29 PM (5ALxI)

50
41 daywalkers unite and take over the ont!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 28, 2015 11:27 PM (0O7c5)


I've never been a fan of the "daywalker/night time crowd" designations/separations.

Posted by: buzzion at June 28, 2015 11:30 PM (zt+N6)

51 Since Puerto Rico is a territory, are we not obligated to help them financially?

Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:30 PM (OB/ib)

52 My main takeaway other than the destruction of the constitution is that John Roberts is demented unprincipled psychopath.

One day he's pulling shit out of his ass, the next day he's decrying the same.

Oh and there are something in the neighborhood of 141K people in SSM and civil unions across the country which works out to 0.04pct of the population.

Amazing!!

Posted by: Kreplach at June 28, 2015 11:30 PM (WVvzl)

53 You missed how Puerto Rico is 72 billion in debt and can't pay it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 11:30 PM (CxEX+)

54 51 Since Puerto Rico is a territory, are we not obligated to help them financially?

Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:30 PM (OB/ib)




Who???

Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:31 PM (EzgxV)

55 So sorry about the loss of Kitty. Losing a pet is always so hard.

Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 11:31 PM (MYCIw)

56 117th!

Posted by: Buford Gooch at June 28, 2015 11:31 PM (ZwQjw)

57 You missed how Puerto Rico is 72 billion in debt and can't pay it.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 11:30 PM (CxEX+)

In debt to whom?

Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:31 PM (OB/ib)

58 You missed how Puerto Rico is 72 billion in debt and can't pay it.
That's awful!

Posted by: Detroit at June 28, 2015 11:32 PM (kivUY)

59 52 My main takeaway other than the destruction of the constitution is that John Roberts is demented unprincipled psychopath.

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That's known as "growing in office."

*spit*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 28, 2015 11:32 PM (oZr5y)

60 Puerto Rico

Puerto Rico, My hearts Devotion, let it sink back in the Ocean...

Posted by: donna at June 28, 2015 11:32 PM (Bn6aD)

61 heh, Another Fine Mess is on TCM now.

Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2015 11:32 PM (z0HrT)

62 @50
That's b/c you're a dirty RINO, buzzion! Lol

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at June 28, 2015 11:32 PM (93KBH)

63 " is that John Roberts is demented unprincipled psychopath.

One day he's pulling shit out of his ass, the next day he's decrying the same.
"

Seriously. At least Kennedy's brand of crazy has some rhyme and reason. Roberts is just nuts-o.

Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 11:32 PM (MYCIw)

64 Sorry about your kitty Maet. The worst thing about having a pet, is saying goodbye.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale Warily Watching Anna Puma at June 28, 2015 11:32 PM (F0Cog)

65 58 You missed how Puerto Rico is 72 billion in debt and can't pay it.


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Shark EBT cards hardest hit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 28, 2015 11:33 PM (oZr5y)

66 Awww.... so sorry about your kitty.

((hugs))

Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at June 28, 2015 11:34 PM (GwjEG)

67 51 Since Puerto Rico is a territory, are we not obligated to help them financially?
Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:30 PM (OB/ib)

Sure, let loose of their sorry ass. Let em go. Just another sucking toilet with money going down the drain.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:34 PM (Xehhp)

68 Sorry to hear about the kitty...that is the hardest part of pet ownership.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:34 PM (OB/ib)

69 Sorry about Kitty. I, too, was an owner of a Kitty. And got the "she needs a real name".

So, imagine the look of disapproval when the vet called regarding a checkup for "the Satanic Death Cat from Hell". She was nothing of the sort really.

Posted by: lurker at June 28, 2015 11:34 PM (vu484)

70 I think Sarah Palin and S.E. Cupp need to be taken off that list. Cupp because she isn't really conservative. Palin because I just can't see a former politician as New Media. And there are probably better women that got bumped for those 2.

Posted by: buzzion at June 28, 2015 11:35 PM (zt+N6)

71 In your heart, you know SMOD2016 is right.

In your guts, you know he's nuts.

Nuts about destroying the planet.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 28, 2015 11:35 PM (UVfht)

72 Condolences on the loss of your Kitteh Pal, MaEt.

Posted by: Garrett at June 28, 2015 11:35 PM (o3+os)

73 I still can't get over the White House lit up like a bad acid trip. Surreal times we live in.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 11:35 PM (Dwehj)

74 Puerto Rico is in debt to the bond holders, just like Greece is in debt to it's bond holder, and Uncle Sam is in debt to his bond holders. They can't make the payments, just like Greece couldn't make the payments.

Will we bail PR out? I have no clue. If we do it will be an entity that is $18T+ in debt bailing out an entity that is 72B in debt.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 28, 2015 11:36 PM (dvuhZ)

75 The top 20 conservative women=hotties.

most I don't know

SE Cupp is way motorboatable but not a conservative

I' kick SE off and replace her with Tantaros, Andres


Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:36 PM (PY/7D)

76 daywalkers unite and take over the ont!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 28, 2015 11:27 PM (0O7c5)

****

Easy now, everyone. I am referring to how those that post on the ONT are occasionally referred to by those that mainly post during the day.

I read the daytime stuff, but rarely post because driving to or at client sites within 5 states.

That's all. Sheesh.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 28, 2015 11:36 PM (mG3Qj)

77 "Since Puerto Rico is a territory, are we not obligated to help them financially? "

When did we ever do otherwise?

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 28, 2015 11:36 PM (JgC5a)

78 I think it's like 80% of Puerto Rico is on welfare.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 11:37 PM (CxEX+)

79 Since Puerto Rico is a territory, are we not obligated to help them financially?
Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:30 PM (OB/ib)

Sure, let loose of their sorry ass. Let em go. Just another sucking toilet with money going down the drain.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:34 PM (Xehhp)


Get a millions of conservatives to scrounge up the money, and offer to pay off the debt if all the Leftists are kicked out. Then those millions of conservatives can move there and vote for independence...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2015 11:38 PM (7YlUk)

80 Chief Justice John Roberts was just following his "Boomer" roots.
"There's a sign on the wall, but he wants to be be sure, cause you know sometimes words have two meanings. In the tree by the brook. There's a songbird who sings, sometimes all of are thoughts are misgiven."

Posted by: Michael J. Bilek at June 28, 2015 11:38 PM (S2yuE)

81 To hell with SE Cupp. I used to like her back in the day, but she went squish (always was, I guess) and then, after crying on CNN in favor of Sodomite Abomination Marriage, screw her.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 28, 2015 11:38 PM (dvuhZ)

82 Wall Street types would like Puerto Rico to become a state because they are "natural Republicans" don't you know. Har Har.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 28, 2015 11:38 PM (W5DcG)

83 Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty GOPe!

Posted by: colonel george taylor at June 28, 2015 11:39 PM (kivUY)

84 hi all
so sorry Maet about kitteh

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's at June 28, 2015 11:39 PM (+4mdw)

85 @73

That's called spiking the football and the asshole who inhabits the Office of The President of the United States excels at that shit.

He literally can not stop being a dick.

It's like he gets up, looks in the mirror and says, "how can I be an even bigger dick today than I was yesterday?"

Fucker is good at it, it's about the only thing he's good at.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 28, 2015 11:39 PM (WVvzl)

86 There can be only one who unites the daywalkers with the nightstalkers -- I refer to Sven, who has been known to post like such a goddamned maniac that he is an order of magnitude more prolific than the top two daywalkers and top two nightstalkers COMBINED.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:40 PM (EzgxV)

87 To hell with SE Cupp. I used to like her back in the day, but she went squish (always was, I guess) and then, after crying on CNN in favor of Sodomite Abomination Marriage, screw her.

Ok, when and where. Who gets tied up again?

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2015 11:40 PM (ztOda)

88 Sorry about Kitty, Maet. RIP

Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 11:40 PM (cbfNE)

89 crying on CNN in favor of Sodomite Abomination Marriage, screw her.

Julie Banderas did that on FNC yesterday.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 28, 2015 11:40 PM (W5DcG)

90 How about No Tax Exempt Status, for anyone?

Why the fuck dobwrblook the other way while the Progressives exploit that charity loophole?

And Tax the Clinton Foundation double.

Posted by: Garrett at June 28, 2015 11:40 PM (o3+os)

91 So is anyone going to see the new Terminator movie on Wednesday?

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's at June 28, 2015 11:41 PM (+4mdw)

92 I saw how the Priest that is on Fox News and was on RedEye was spit on by a gay couple, Father Jonathan

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 11:41 PM (CxEX+)

93 Season #2 of 'The Last Ship' is starting off ok

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:41 PM (PY/7D)

94 Heh, I think Katherine Timpf is adorkable.

Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2015 11:42 PM (z0HrT)

95 Wall Street types would like Puerto Rico to become a state because they are "natural Republicans" don't you know. Har Har.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 28, 2015 11:38 PM (W5DcG)

Last year , their Federal level judge blocked a lawsuit or some such thing to legalize gay marriage. And because they are a territory and not a state, our Federal statutes are not binding on them.

So that is one thing we wouldn't have to fix when we arrive.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:42 PM (OB/ib)

96 So when they throw the bouquet at a same sex wedding is it going to look more like a rugby scrum?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 28, 2015 11:43 PM (mvenn)

97 I'm kinda diggin the use of the 14th amendment to make all tax rates per income bracket the same.


fuck those guys

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:43 PM (PY/7D)

98 Well, that puts the kibosh on making Puerto Rico a formal US State.

And there's this:

@RANsquawk 26 minutes ago
BREAKING: CHINEXT PLUNGES 7.8% TO FALL 20% OVER THE PAST 3-DAYS

CHINEXT is the name of the Shenzhen Stock Exchange, one of China's three stock exchanges.

Posted by: Thrawn at June 28, 2015 11:43 PM (wZ2hu)

99 Will we bail PR out? I have no clue. If we do it will be an entity that is $18T+ in debt bailing out an entity that is 72B in debt.
Posted by: publius


Of course DC will. Spending taxpayer's money is their only prerogative.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2015 11:43 PM (fYgrm)

100 Tonight on Ditching Tinyfeet, Ralph tossed a tree at Bobo and Matt just to see what sort of reaction we'd get from those two. They howled a few times, hit a tree with a stick and it was a big meh.

Then they played some music for us a couple of nights later. That was pretty good so Bob decided to howl back at them.

No pizza from Bobo. So I wouldn't let him see me.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at June 28, 2015 11:43 PM (dboyw)

101 In debt to whom?

Some fools, although those fools are likely to soon be us for some our betters might explain to us.

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2015 11:43 PM (ztOda)

102 Good evening, y'all. Happy to count Scottie Hughes as a close personal friend, meaning we used to be in the same room at SURG meetings.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 28, 2015 11:44 PM (nL0sw)

103 I think McCarthy is right. Time to stop the pretense of SCOTUS as merely interpreting the Constitution. It's time instead to put forth some very novel conservative-friendly legal theories.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's at June 28, 2015 11:44 PM (+4mdw)

104 who the fuck loans money to governments anymore?

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:44 PM (PY/7D)

105 Sorry about the cat. Although I was historically a dog person before I met my wife, I really do like cats too. We have both. I am weary of the "I hate cats" attitude that some guys think they have to present. It's up there with "I hate accordions." Dogs are cool and cats are entertaining. And accordions are cool and entertaining.

Posted by: AstroBevo at June 28, 2015 11:45 PM (I2gXY)

106 Maet,
My cat of 8 years passed on Friday too. He seemed fine that morning, but when I got up that afternoon, he had passed. So I feel you pain.
Thanks for another fine ONT.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 28, 2015 11:45 PM (6n332)

107 who the fuck loans money to governments anymore?
Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:44 PM (PY/7D)

Anyone who buys municipal, state, or savings bonds.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:45 PM (OB/ib)

108 Why are the Chicom stock markets gettting all uppitty? greece

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2015 11:45 PM (ztOda)

109
Maet, sorry about Kitty. Love cats. And he looks like a good one. But nine years is a good solid run for a feline. And presumably a good life, in your home. So .....

Meanwhile, I hope nobody recalls but more than many many times I have used a stock phrase (mine) about SCOTUS (and really the whole federal judiciary): "an unelected, unaccountable super-legislature for dummies". Pretty close to the terms used in those excellent pieces referenced/cited in the ONT.

And two related, gloomy points.

First, note how the "other" side (hate this terminology, as I don't have a "side", I have logic, facts, and values) is - to all appearances - utterly unconcerned about, you know, actual process, law, the constitution, liberty. Nothing close to thoughtful, perhaps some misgivings about how both the week's catastrophic farces were implemented. If something I favored *on the merits* were achieved in such ridiculous, abusive, arbitrary ways, it would be more than a bit of a stain on the whole thing.

Second, take both the WH and broader cultural reactions to things, incl. the ridiculous Confederate flag hysteria.

This WH, already degraded in so many ways the last few years, has reached a new low. Rainbow fucking lighting? Are you fucking kidding me? Has the WH - ever, under any president - engaged in cheap theatrics with the property itself to spike the ball, much less on an outrageous bit of arrogant judicial tyranny to impose a lawless, unneeded and mostly unwanted bit of social engineering? (leave alone that the president at the time conspicuously opposed this bit of social engineering until quite recently)

And the flag thing? WTF? Weirddave's use of the infamous retouched Stalin/Molotov/forgot his name!(Beria, I think?) photo is an all-too appropriate device, andit's sickening to any thinking American that THIS country is engaging in bizarre history-suppressing hysterics like the brutal, uncivilized countries generations have fled to shelter in American sanity.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 11:45 PM (QDnY+)

110
96 So when they throw the bouquet at a same sex wedding is it going to look more like a rugby scrum?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 28, 2015 1

Waiting for the day Isis puts necklaces back into fashion

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:46 PM (Xehhp)

111 >>So when they throw the bouquet at a same sex wedding is it going to look more like a rugby scrum?


...or a Lemon Party.

Posted by: Garrett at June 28, 2015 11:46 PM (o3+os)

112 Maet - We had a brief discussion last ONT about our lost pets. It sucks. That sounds flippant, but it isn't. Anything else seems like a platitude. Our cat is 14, so, it will not be too long before he is gone from our life.

Sorry to hear about your loss, I certainly know how it feels.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 28, 2015 11:46 PM (F2IAQ)

113 Boriqua to borrowrico
stay proud dumbasses

Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (jT+gh)

114
Politico Writer Says Gay Marriage is Superior to Regular Marriage

By EMILY ESFAHANI SMITH

a writer based in New Haven, Connecticut. She is the Manners and Morals columnist at The New Criterion, managing editor of the Hoover Institution's Defining Ideas




Conservative institutions, ladies and gents.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (kdS6q)

115 Condolences for Kitty, Maet.

Posted by: Butch at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (HLx1C)

116 what time is it in Greece now?

are the banks open yet?

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (PY/7D)

117 Dear Maet,
So sorry for you loss of your beloved kitty.
A kitty is thing to love always.
They love us, but they are always the masters of us, by way of our hearts.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (JgC5a)

118 Sorry about Kitty, Maet. He sounded like quite a good friend.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (dboyw)

119 i will not google lemon party

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (ztOda)

120 That's called spiking the football and the asshole who inhabits the
Office of The President of the United States excels at that shit.


I suppose that's what galls me the most. The in-your-face belligerence, the "this is my house, so f*ck you" attitude. As was stated by a poster in the earlier thread, "the mask is off".

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (Dwehj)

121 So when they throw the bouquet at a same sex wedding is it going to look more like a rugby scrum?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
------------------

Also, will they throw a sock garter?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (F2IAQ)

122 So when they throw the bouquet at a same sex wedding is it going to look more like a rugby scrum?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
------------------

Also, will they throw a sock garter?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (F2IAQ)

123 Boyhood cat was named "Kitty Cat Ketchup". Looked like a cat acted like a dog. Best of both worlds.

Condolences, Maet

and from this semi lurker, thanks for all the work on the ONTs

Posted by: Far Post at June 28, 2015 11:48 PM (CWDSd)

124 Dogs are cool and cats are entertaining. And accordions are cool and entertaining.

Cats playing accordions : DYNOMITE !!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 28, 2015 11:48 PM (W5DcG)

125 17 It occurs to me that if you want to tax churches, just institute the Fair Tax. Churches have to buy sh-t too.


The Left needs the current Tax code to punish its enemies, for PROGRESS! Thats why you'll never see a Fair Tax or anything similar to it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 28, 2015 11:49 PM (NGd+i)

126 No, they've closed the banks (limiting ATM withdrawals to 60 euro). Markets are closed too and capital controls are imposed. The closings will last a week.

Populace is already hording food and gas. Greece has been in full-on collapse mode for years. Just read some of the stories.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 28, 2015 11:50 PM (dvuhZ)

127 "108 Why are the Chicom stock markets gettting all uppitty? greece"

------------------

As long as the stuff hits the fan while Obama is in office. I hate rooting for bad news but if it is to happen, let the Perfesser of Constitootin' Law deal with it and show what a poseur he and his gang are.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at June 28, 2015 11:50 PM (dboyw)

128 do the throw bouquets at gay weddings?
wouldn't tossing a sausage be more of a thing?

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:50 PM (PY/7D)

129 119
i will not google lemon party

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2015 11:47 PM (ztOda)


good idea

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's at June 28, 2015 11:51 PM (+4mdw)

130 @120

Oh no he's not done.

I fully expect a gay wedding ceremony to be conducted at the white house, fully expect it.

One of the SCOTUS hags will officiate it, media coverage the whole nines..


You can take that to the bank.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 28, 2015 11:51 PM (WVvzl)

131 my typing sucks

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:51 PM (PY/7D)

132 The left has been saying for a while that gay marriage would mean and end to monogamy. The argument goes that since gays aren't monogamous, gay marriage means that straights have to abandon their expectations of monogamy as well.

But two guys marrying has no effect on anyone else's marriage.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 28, 2015 11:52 PM (10ydV)

133 I'm sorry for your loss, Maet. Our pets are precious.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at June 28, 2015 11:52 PM (0RdKg)

134 do the throw bouquets at gay weddings?
wouldn't tossing a sausage be more of a thing?

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:50 PM (PY/7D)




Sausage? Maybe a fresh tuna is more appropriate, depending on the participants.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 28, 2015 11:52 PM (nL0sw)

135 how would you tax a church?

Their net income can be zero very easy


property taxes? but those are local


hmmm

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:52 PM (PY/7D)

136 do the throw bouquets at gay weddings?
wouldn't tossing a sausage be more of a thing?
Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:50 PM (PY/7D)


I think that they prefer to toss salad.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 28, 2015 11:52 PM (10ydV)

137 >>So when they throw the bouquet at a same sex wedding is it going to look more like a rugby scrum?


'Do you have the Cock Ring?'

Posted by: Same Sex Wedding Quotes at June 28, 2015 11:52 PM (o3+os)

138 I'm so sorry about Kitty. I had a cat, a wonderful cat, who also got liver cancer, and it was so hard to have her put down. Kitty's over the Bridge now, playing, and will see you again.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at June 28, 2015 11:53 PM (AF8UR)

139 content

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at June 28, 2015 11:53 PM (FbbZf)

140 Rainbow fucking lighting? Are you fucking kidding me?
And a Twitter reply to that decision that you can pass along on e.g. Facebook:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2015/06/pitchforks-and-.html

Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2015 11:53 PM (kivUY)

141 Damn, that is a gloomy ONT. Justified, but gloomy.

Posted by: t-bird at June 28, 2015 11:54 PM (FcR7P)

142 Just because I kind of like the style and how the dancing chick moves.

Post Modern Juke Box - I Don't Mind - Vintage Las Vegas Style.

https://youtu.be/JnWJUoR2tFc

Posted by: buzzion at June 28, 2015 11:54 PM (zt+N6)

143 Sorry about your kitteh, Maet. Lost one to liver cancer almost 7 years ago, then her sister 3 weeks later to intestinal cancer

Posted by: kbdabear at June 28, 2015 11:54 PM (GrXXa)

144 Still think voting for Jeb is a good move?

Still think it is a move at all?

Stop being afraid.

Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 11:55 PM (MQEz6)

145 I'm so sorry about your wonderful kitty, Maet.

Posted by: Alana at June 28, 2015 11:55 PM (ku1y8)

146
Andy McCarthy: It's Time To Give Up on the Supreme Court as a Court

So forget Constitutional strict constructionalism and all that and simply strive to get conservative electors into our third legislative body




A majority of the justices were appointed by Republicans. The Democratic appointees were confirmed with the usual rump Republican vote in the case of Obama's picks, or overwhelming GOP support, in the case of Clinton's choices.

This farce of a court is a Republican court.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2015 11:55 PM (kdS6q)

147 'Bu the Power invested in me by a Bull Dyke, a Chamber Maid, a Kennedy and the Dessicated Corpse of a Progressice Crone- I now pronounce you Man and Bottom.'

Posted by: Same Sex Wedding Quotes at June 28, 2015 11:55 PM (o3+os)

148 Well, someone's off the birthday list. Bitch.

Posted by: don lemon at June 28, 2015 11:55 PM (kivUY)

149 @135

The IRS can revoke their 501c3 status, et al.

Hostile localities can do the same with local taxes, et al.

They are not done extracting their revenge.




Posted by: Kreplach at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (WVvzl)

150 116 what time is it in Greece now?

are the banks open yet?

------------

It's a Greek national holiday. Assrape Germany Day.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (oZr5y)

151 anyone know what big homo/pink mafia web sites are?

maybe the horde could infiltrate them and get sausage tossing to be a 'thing' and gay marrage cerimonies?

crud if less than 2% of the pop can do 4th gen warfare what can us morons do?

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (PY/7D)

152 "BREAKING: CHINEXT PLUNGES 7.8% TO FALL 20% OVER THE PAST 3-DAYS"

There is an absolutely crazy level of margin debt in Chinese stock markets. Here come the margin calls. This coupled with the Grexit from the EU could spark a global black swan event.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (noWW6)

153 >>. The in-your-face belligerence, the "this is my house, so f*ck you" attitude. As was stated by a poster in the earlier thread, "the mask is off".

There was a mask? Fucker told rightie newsman, he was elected

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (Xehhp)

154
McCarthy articulated several familiar and widespread thoughts about the current lawlessness quite well.

And somewhere, cannot recall/find where, some legal types actually *were* seriously discussing how Roberts' histrionically bad and self-contradicting approaches to the two big cases might really point to some personal problem or developing instability. They were very sheepish about "going there," but .....

Can't top Scalia's "bag over my head" dismissal of the garbage from Kennedy.

Brace yourselves: but as ace occasionally can't help but comment, so many of the people running/ruining the country and culture just aren't very bright. Williamson says were are ruled by criminals (his latest on SCOTUS is worth reading, BTW); may be, but there is no doubt that we are being ruled (not governed) by dummies.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (QDnY+)

155 If you like cats your racist because cats have finely honed features like white people. You should love dogs instead.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (6qR/9)

156 Sunday Night ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/615187549817057280

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/615204357806538752

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/615204840021430272

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/615204998645821440

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/615205191915167744

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/615205340037025793

Posted by: kbdabear at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (GrXXa)

157 i will not google lemon party

Probably a smart move.

Posted by: two girls one cup at June 28, 2015 11:57 PM (56XFm)

158 >>Posted by: torquewrench at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (noWW6)



Pretty sure that's racist.

Posted by: Garrett at June 28, 2015 11:57 PM (o3+os)

159 Justified, but gloomy.
Flush left, but gloomy.
[See what I did there?]

Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2015 11:57 PM (kivUY)

160 I am going to plug this book again
The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse
About a Guy who went thru the collapse in Argentina, he gives his tips on how to survive.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 11:57 PM (CxEX+)

161 still can't type and i'm mostly the sober

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:57 PM (PY/7D)

162 Ok people, it's past time that us short people got a piece of this victim pie. For example, short men are discriminated all over the place in employment.

And as for me, I want accommodationsin gricery stores. How hard WOUKD it be to set a few stools around? All my life I've had to ask total strangers to reach something down fir me. (Fortunately, I never had to ask Michele Ibama; that WOUKD have been racist.)

Posted by: Alana at June 28, 2015 11:58 PM (ku1y8)

163 Rainbow fucking lighting? Are you fucking kidding me?
And a Twitter reply to that decision that you can pass along on e.g. Facebook:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2015/06/pitchforks-and-.html
Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2015 11:53 PM (kivUY)

That is a great thread on that site. Our Canadian compatriots have the same opinion of Canada's SC as we have of ours.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 28, 2015 11:58 PM (OB/ib)

164 I've never had cats, do look after my neighbors cats when they go out of town though. They had to have one out down recently due to cancer. He was always my favorite.

Posted by: Kenway at June 28, 2015 11:58 PM (5L5St)

165 A majority of the justices were appointed by Republicans. The Democratic appointees were confirmed with the usual rump Republican vote in the case of Obama's picks, or overwhelming GOP support, in the case of Clinton's choices.

This farce of a court is a Republican court.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2015 11:55 PM (kdS6q)

***

It no longer matters how we got here. This is how they keep us squabbling.

The only question left is "What to do now?".

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 28, 2015 11:58 PM (mG3Qj)

166 I dunno. I guess I'm crazy but I don't think this past week is the end of the world.

Yes, the left is way too powerful, in the USA and everywhere else. But we need to remember, Alinsky said "power is what your opponent *thinks* you have, not just what you have." And unfortunately there are a lot of great, well-meaning folks here who seem to believe it's all hopeless, the left is now in full God mode and can make *anything* happen.

If the left truly is all-powerful nowadays, I'm wondering:

- How did Air America fail? Wouldn't the all-powerful leftists manage to keep it afloat?
- How does Fox News stay on the air?
- How did conservatives win Hobby Lobby?
- How are 2A/conservative gun rights lobbyists winning so many battles in court?
- How are charter/private school advocates winning so many battles in court?

I say, we keep on fighting where we're winning, examine the crap out of those victories, and start applying those lessons to those where we're not doing as well.

Or, you know, we could just keep prayin' for SMOD. The easy thing... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 28, 2015 11:58 PM (ntObR)

167 PURTY RICOS IS IN DEBT?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at June 28, 2015 11:58 PM (DblUs)

168 Greek gub'mint statistics say Greece had a GDP of 178 Billion Euros in 2014.

The German VolksWagen Group by themselves out did the whole Nation of Greece at 202 Billion Euros.

Go Greece!!

?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 28, 2015 11:59 PM (91eZY)

169
Furthermore, Republican's don't like what the court is doing? Get some impeachments going.

If you're going to be the party of empty gestures, at least take some skin off 'em.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2015 11:59 PM (kdS6q)

170 pro tip
Never, fuckin ever image search on 'sausage festival'

Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 11:59 PM (PY/7D)

171 Sorry about those WOUKD's. Some quirk of my typing and the iPad.

Posted by: Alana at June 28, 2015 11:59 PM (ku1y8)

172
andycanuck, thanks, very good (not on BookFace or any other soc-media, but anyway .....)

eman, LDC - spot-on and well said, as ever

Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 11:59 PM (QDnY+)

173 The Confederacy had slavery for, what, four years? Psh. It's the US flag we should be after. And Obama should be on all our money.

Posted by: The Mask Being Off at June 29, 2015 12:00 AM (FcR7P)

174 If you like cats your racist because cats have finely honed features like white people. You should love dogs instead.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at June 28, 2015 11:56 PM (6qR/9)


Especially when they are deep fried...

Posted by: Barack Obama, Canine Connoisseur at June 29, 2015 12:00 AM (7YlUk)

175 "From waiting in the bathroom in the morning while we got ready for work
to greeting us at door when we got home to sleeping in our bed at night,
he was a constant happy presence in our lives for nine years. And now
we have a Kitty-sized hole in our lives."

Deepest sympathies.

The reminders are hard.

Finding old cat toys under the furniture.

Looking at that once-favorite napping spot, now always empty.

Waking up in the night thinking you've heard that familiar mew.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 29, 2015 12:00 AM (noWW6)

176 Speaking of hot conservative writers, does anyone remember someone named Marni Malarkey from the early days of the right-o-sphere? I think she was Canadian.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2015 12:01 AM (5LOno)

177 So, about 2:00 today, I'm over BSing with my IRL neighbor -- who, BTW, seems to regard me in about the same light as I am regarded by the Horde ("Is there an off switch? Or at least a pause button?") -- anyway, I'm standing out in the street interrupting his ability to get anything done, and we hear a brief screech, followed by an impact, a block away to our south.




I immediately leaped into action and started sprinting toward the scene like a veritable gazelle.....if such a gazelle were an unathletic overupholstered creaky guy in his fifties that would leave lions thinking, "let's save that one for if I ever break a leg or something."



I got to the scene of the accident and ascertained that nobody was seriously hurt, mostly by running up to the calm conversation they were having and shouting "ANYBODY HURT?!? ANYBODY HURT?!?" at the top of my lungs. I then asked whether they would appreciate the attention of the local constabulary -- who could, at the very least, keep fat weirdos from huffing and puffing up to their conversations and screaming at them. They readily agreed that might be a proper course of action.




So I called the non-emergency line and got someone dispatched to the scene. It's actually a dangerous intersection because the through road isn't supposed to be fast but people drive it that way, and the cross road only has yield signs. I think this is actually the second accident in a week.




While the po-po were advancin' on the hood, yo, I went to get a pushbroom, dustpan, and garbage container -- figuring that the intersection was dangerous enough without the possibility of getting a flat while crossing it. The policeman arrived just as I got everything together and I asked him if he wanted to inspect anything or make measurements before I started. He said, "no, but you don't have to do that." While he was taking statements and making notes, I got everything sweeped and binned.




I then pointed out to one of those involved that they'd compromised the crumple zone on the front driver's side and that they needed to make sure that the repair didn't just reskin over it because then the driver would be unprotected in the event of another front end crash. The policeman later noted that they should have the airbag inspected because it possibly should have deployed.......and may be hanging on a hair-trigger.




So, anyway, that's part of the gripping excitement that is The Life of Cthulhu.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 12:01 AM (EzgxV)

178 Evening horde.

Pimping zombies Fulsom Street pics of FB.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 29, 2015 12:01 AM (XAFOu)

179
It no longer matters how we got here.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty




Well if the proposed solution is to elect more Republicans who can be expected to do more of the same, kinda does.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:01 AM (kdS6q)

180 Bah, those women are all gross.

How can you get turned on by someone you aren't related to? And...adults?

Posted by: Lena Dunham at June 29, 2015 12:01 AM (5LOno)

181 For anyone who's into how politics is effecting law and order these days...

Today was an interesting day at my at-home typing job. I was tasked to type a PDF of what I wouldn't know how to descrbe, but a complete *script,* of how prosecutors examine police officers in DUI cases. Turns out it's literally as down-pat as Shakespeare. Complete with "now Mr. DA, you say this, and Mr. Officer, you say that..."

I support DUI laws, but it's gone way beyond obvious that it's also a huge moneymaker for the cities, counties, states and Feds. And of course just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (ntObR)

182 Caitlyn Jenner and Michael Straihan should be on our currency.

Posted by: DeRay McKesson at June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (5L5St)

183 I, for one, welcome our new gay marriage overlords with their taxpayer funded healthcare who scream for tolerance and equality while (for now, metaphorically only) burning Bibles and punishing the successful.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (b2cFu)

184 Dogs are cool and cats are entertaining. And accordions are cool and entertaining.

Posted by: AstroBevo at June 28, 2015 11:45 PM (I2gXY)


And topless female accordion bands are the entertainingest of all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (5z2ng)

185 So sorry about Kitty. These wonderful creatures, dogs included, come into your lives and quietly steal your heart. When they're gone they take a piece of your heart with them.

Right now my aunt's kitty is great comfort while going through cancer treatment. They know when you're hurting.

God bless the animals.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (y+J3v)

186
MWNP and qdpsteve, with nice dosesof practicality and resolve!

Mean that. You both have good points.

Clearly the morons here should run the country. So I guess the question is how do we make THAT happen?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (QDnY+)

187 - How did Air America fail? Wouldn't the all-powerful leftists manage to keep it afloat?


Because everyone uses Twitter nowadays anyway. Or so I am told.

- How does Fox News stay on the air?


Because they are establishment.

- How did conservatives win Hobby Lobby?
- How are 2A/conservative gun rights lobbyists winning so many battles in court?


Because SCOTUS is not a uniformly leftist superlegislature, but is mixed. We got those victories too from the SCOTUS superlegislature.

- How are charter/private school advocates winning so many battles in court?

Because the left hasn't yet settled on a successful litigation strategy to drive them out of business.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's at June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (+4mdw)

188 The reminders are hard.

Finding old cat toys under the furniture.


If I were any good at it, I could knit myself a new cat from all the fur my recently-taken left behind. There will be reminders for years.

Posted by: t-bird at June 29, 2015 12:03 AM (FcR7P)

189 Fee-lines oppress the disadvantage in society through capitalism, where as m'key-nines instead liberate people of collar to explore artistically creative pursuits

Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 12:03 AM (jT+gh)

190 I would expect any Church to be due significant EITC, not on the hook for taxes

Posted by: Jean at June 29, 2015 12:03 AM (ztOda)

191 @177--Cooth, that's much better than some of your other excitements the past couple months.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (b2cFu)

192 HOOOORDE!!!

Sorry about the kitteh, Maet.

Posted by: DC in River City, temporary bachelor at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (e+1S5)

193 "And Obama should be on all our money."

A friend of mine has a hundred-trillion-dollar bill issued by the Zimbabwean government. It's worth a few pennies, if that.

I fully expect to live to see such denominations issued by the U.S. Treasury, and will not be in the least surprised to find them graced with the likeness of King Putt.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (noWW6)

194 Thanks everyone for the kind thoughts about Kitty. It's been a long time since we've lost a pet so I had forgotten how painful it is.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (wqVD1)

195 rhomboid, thanks.

And chemjeff, all good points but again, I think conservatives would do themselves well to spend more time learning from their victories. It certainly couldn't hurt us.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (ntObR)

196 I support DUI laws, but it's gone way beyond obvious that it's also a huge moneymaker for the cities, counties, states and Feds.
***
The point of government is to take money from the productive class to enrich itself. Everything else is secondary.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (5LOno)

197 Wow, cthulhu, sounds like the elder god had quite an exciting day today

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's at June 29, 2015 12:05 AM (+4mdw)

198 Well if the proposed solution is to elect more Republicans who can be expected to do more of the same, kinda does.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:01 AM (kdS6q)

*****

Which dovetails nicely with my further comment that you selectively edited out which was "What do we do about it now?".

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 12:05 AM (p7dd/)

199 Watching a Very Potter Musical (drunkenly, of course).


La la la laaa!


Ra ra ra raaa!

Posted by: pookysgirl can walk (a few yards) at June 29, 2015 12:06 AM (p5m4k)

200 It has always amused me that those most dependent upon a functioning Western Civilization are the most eager to tear it down.
Posted by: butch at June 28, 2015 10:52 PM
---------
Smokers dying of lung cancer probably resent their family members who tried for years to vet them to quit. I just wish the spiteful assholes would drop dead already instead of trying to punish the rest of us for the consequences of their own actions.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at June 29, 2015 12:07 AM (6qR/9)

201 It's a Greek national holiday. Assrape Germany Day.
Posted by: Cicero
-------------------------

Gosh..., it almost coincides with what I will now call Ernst Röhm Day in the U.S.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 12:07 AM (F2IAQ)

202 Sorry for your pet loss, Maet. It always sucks.

One kernel of corn in the bushel of Supreme Court shit is their reputation will now tank. They typically had the highest approval rating of the 3 branches by quite a bit; I bet that takes a huuuuge hit.

More importantly, they will no longer have a reputation as dispassionate arbiters of the Constitution. Now, they are just another gubmint agency in need of a good keelhauling.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 29, 2015 12:07 AM (DblUs)

203 . The policeman later noted that they should have the airbag inspected because it possibly should have deployed.......and may be hanging on a hair-trigger.

They don't exactly work like a treadle spring trap ... I bet the air bag is missing - stolen years ago.

Posted by: Jean at June 29, 2015 12:07 AM (ztOda)

204 I support DUI laws, but it's gone way beyond obvious that it's also a huge moneymaker for the cities, counties, states and Feds. And of course just the tip of the iceberg.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:02 AM (ntObR)


Yep. If it were about safety people would not still be on the road getting their 8th DUI. And they also wouldn't be attempting to have private party bus services banned or put out of business.

Posted by: buzzion at June 29, 2015 12:08 AM (zt+N6)

205 The Senste does not do advise and consent.

It does theater, it puts on a play.

The only thing the folks in DC take seriously is protecting their jobs, increasing their wealth, and their power.

The rest is show.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 12:08 AM (MQEz6)

206 Condolences on Kitty.

I know it's hard to lose a pet, but they bring such joy into your life that the trade off is worth it.

"Happy is the home with at least one cat." ~ Italian proverb.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at June 29, 2015 12:10 AM (nJvB1)

207 buzzion, agreed.

A real DUI policy would be: first offense, lose your license for five years, you're not allowed anywhere near a car during that time, no exceptions, maybe not even for your job or emergencies.

second offense, you're in jail for attempted murder and you *never* get to drive again. Period.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:10 AM (ntObR)

208 Not reading upthread but condolences Maet. Been two years and I still ask for a doggie bag to bring home leftovers for my girl.

Cruel gift that G*d gives us but they make us better people.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 29, 2015 12:10 AM (XAFOu)

209
qdpsteve, good point about doing some after-action analysis of engagements that have been won, for lessons learned. But the 2A situation, just talking broad strokes here, might be seen as offering even more bad news.

Yes, Heller and McDonald. But, though it *may* be early, there seems to be a bit of lower-court lawlessness going on (extremely rare), and so far SCOTUS has shown no interest (completely unheard of). See the ridiculous SF gun law case, recently passed over for consideration by SCOTUS, and see Thomas' comments on this refusal to grant cert. See DC's barely-concealed defiance in actually implementing Heller.

Just one of the situations you rightly cited - but when you consider these and other fairly odd indications that the system is NOT working within Heller/McDonald, as usually happens after big cases, and also that (contra this absurd rabbit-out-of-a-hat marriage decision based on the 14th) the 2A cases are factually clear-cut AND revolve around an express limitation on govt. set forth in the constitution .... well ...

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 12:10 AM (QDnY+)

210 Posted by: Darth Randall at June 28, 2015 11:45 PM (6n332)

Hugs to you, too.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:10 AM (BVDFs)

211 The only thing the folks in DC take seriously is protecting their jobs, increasing their wealth, and their power.
-------------

aka 'Political Expediency'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 12:11 AM (F2IAQ)

212
you selectively edited out
Posted by: ManWithNoParty



The term is "elide" when you just intend to respond to one part of a post.

As to the the rest, propose a solution yourself and perhaps that will spark a conversation.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:11 AM (kdS6q)

213 rhomboid, hmm...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:12 AM (ntObR)

214 One kernel of corn in the bushel of Supreme Court shit is their reputation will now tank. They typically had the highest approval rating of the 3 branches by quite a bit; I bet that takes a huuuuge hit.
Just wait until Obamacare hits people even more than it has already. The conservative blogosphere and the GOP should tie that bitch to the SCOTUS to push, "That's why they shouldn't be legislating from the bench and have to be cut back to what they were originally supposed to do!" (Not that the GOPe would favour that tack.)

Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2015 12:13 AM (kivUY)

215 Maet -

Very sorry about Kitty ...

Posted by: Adriane the Pithy Saying Critic ... at June 29, 2015 12:13 AM (nSOh+)

216 I offer my sincere condolences for Kitty. I have always had lots of cats, and I still cry over the ones that have passed. I love cats more than I love people I think.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2015 12:13 AM (mk9aG)

217 The term is "elide" when you just intend to respond to one part of a post.

As to the the rest, propose a solution yourself and perhaps that will spark a conversation.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:11 AM (kdS6q)

*****

My term is disingenuous when you pull that shit, Sport. Since you brought it up, you go first.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 12:14 AM (p7dd/)

218 Condolences, Maet.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 12:14 AM (MQEz6)

219 Sunday Evening, all y'all ...

Posted by: Adriane the Pithy Saying Critic ... at June 29, 2015 12:14 AM (nSOh+)

220 But as an aside, mom turned 72 today. Looks 50.

Love the genes I inherited.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 29, 2015 12:14 AM (XAFOu)

221 Thanks everyone for the kind thoughts about Kitty. It's been a long time since we've lost a pet so I had forgotten how painful it is.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (wqVD1)


Please accept my condolences as well, Maet. I lost a long-time kitty companion just last month.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:14 AM (5z2ng)

222 RIP Chris Squire, virtuoso bassist of Yes.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2015 12:15 AM (mk9aG)

223 Yep. If it were about safety people would not still be on the road getting their 8th DUI. And they also wouldn't be attempting to have private party bus services banned or put out of business.

Posted by: buzzion at June 29, 2015 12:08 AM (zt+N6)


If DUI were about anything reasonable they wouldn't be arresting guys riding lawn mowers. BTW, you know that it's legal in many states for cops to come onto your property while your riding your lawn mower drinking a beer and arrest you, for mowing the lawn on YOUR property with a beer. ... and golf carts and the whole lot. And, frankly, anyone who arrests, tries, or in any way participates in these offenses against normal society is far more of a dangerous criminal than any actual drunk driver.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2015 12:15 AM (MYSVz)

224 191 @177--Cooth, that's much better than some of your other excitements the past couple months.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (b2cFu)



Yeah, there's still echoes of the other -- this evening's discussion with the fiancee involved a "lost" "Projects Account". Turns out it isn't linked to my replacement WF card but it's linked to hers.....wouldn't be an issue if I were accessing anything online.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 12:15 AM (EzgxV)

225 If the people who proffered and passed the 14th amendment were creating an all powerful enabling act then why were constitutional amendments needed to give woman the right to vote and lower the voting age?

Posted by: Kreplach at June 29, 2015 12:16 AM (1SzQh)

226 Maet I am so very very sorry for your loss.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 29, 2015 12:17 AM (9o75O)

227 In case you weren't paying attention, the Cubs are losing to the Cardinals.

Posted by: Garrett at June 29, 2015 12:17 AM (o3+os)

228 So Greece buys China and gives it to Germany.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 12:17 AM (MQEz6)

229 I just wish the spiteful assholes would drop dead already instead of trying to punish the rest of us for the consequences of their own actions.

If someone reaches old age, he'll likely die of pneumonia and experience a similar end.

Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 12:17 AM (jT+gh)

230 You can be arrested for having a beer and driving a wheelchair, also I think you can get busted for a DUI if you are drinking in an RV.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 29, 2015 12:18 AM (CxEX+)

231
My term is disingenuous when you pull that shit, Sport. Since you brought it up, you go first.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty



1, Sorry, but not every word of what you write is deathless prose that must be dwelt upon like the Torah.

2. You're the one who asked for options, with your fruity "Oh Dear, what shall we doooo" rhetorical question.

3. Let you balls drop and suggest something first.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:18 AM (kdS6q)

232
227 In case you weren't paying attention, the Cubs are losing to the Cardinals.
Posted by: Garrett at June 29, 2015 12:17 AM (o3+os


So I guess the prediction from Back to the Future 2 of the Cubs winning the World Series this year is going bye bye.

Posted by: buzzion at June 29, 2015 12:19 AM (zt+N6)

233 In case you weren't paying attention, the Cubs are losing to the Cardinals.
Posted by: Garrett at June 29, 2015 12:17 AM (o3+os)

***

A rewind of last night I guess, when last I looked they were down 8-1. My hometown team. *sigh*

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 12:19 AM (mG3Qj)

234 RIP Kitty.

Posted by: BuckIV at June 29, 2015 12:19 AM (CLfqv)

235 194 Thanks everyone for the kind thoughts about Kitty. It's been a long time since we've lost a pet so I had forgotten how painful it is.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 29, 2015 12:04 AM (wqVD1)



We're constrained by the amount of reverence we have for our Lord of the ONTs.....but we are all remembering our own losses and sending you and Mrs. M strength and comfort for yours.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 12:20 AM (EzgxV)

236 drinking and driving is expensive

drinking an ont posting is way cheaper and funner!!




eleventy


!!

Posted by: moron #73 at June 29, 2015 12:20 AM (PY/7D)

237 "I support DUI laws, but it's gone way beyond obvious that it's also a huge moneymaker for the cities, counties, states and Feds."

The UK funded a meticulous study a few years ago which found that the majority of drivers actually became safer when mildly inebriated. They recognized their state, slowed down, maintained wider distances from other vehicles, declined to accelerate through changing lights at intersections, et cet.

This did not comport with what the political class desired as policy, so the study was immediately buried.

The study found there is (as one would naturally expect) a tipping point where further intoxication does begin to impair the safe driving of the majority of drivers. That point is higher than the 0.08 standard which the US and UK now employ.

A retired cop who taught a traffic school class which I attended talked to me off the record about DUI and BAC. He said that there are *so* many drivers out there clocking 0.08 that if it really were reliably correlated with driving danger, there would be mass slaughter on the roads every night.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 29, 2015 12:20 AM (noWW6)

238 RIP Chris Squire, virtuoso bassist of Yes.
Posted by: gp at June 29, 2015 12:15 AM (mk9aG)


Read this earlier.

Long Distance Runaround / Fish ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TI0u6nIil8

Posted by: Adriane the Pithy Saying Critic ... at June 29, 2015 12:20 AM (nSOh+)

239 Muse - Mercy ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5bjJzJ-T4clist=RDf5bjJzJ-T4c )

Absent gods
And silent tyranny
We're going under
Hypnotized by another
Pup-pet-eer
And tell me why the
Men in cloaks
Always have to
Bring me down
Running from the
Ghosts and shadows
The world just disavows
Mercy
Mercy
Show me mercy
From the powers that be
Show me mercy
Can someone rescue me

Posted by: seemingly appropriate Arkham Knight commercial earworm at June 29, 2015 12:20 AM (9iL4y)

240 Shouldn't that be a "tippling point"?

Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2015 12:22 AM (kivUY)

241 This coming week should be fun, I'm thinking an invasion of Kaigu might finish off this project.

Posted by: BuckIV at June 29, 2015 12:22 AM (CLfqv)

242 I am sorry about your Kitty, Maet. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,aging Redneck Queen supermodel, has a Hobbit foot at June 29, 2015 12:22 AM (FCPu0)

243 1, Sorry, but not every word of what you write is deathless prose that must be dwelt upon like the Torah.

2. You're the one who asked for options, with your fruity "Oh Dear, what shall we doooo" rhetorical question.

3. Let you balls drop and suggest something first.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:18 AM (kdS6q)

***

Wow, projection is a rather disturbingly awesome thing to occasionally witness.

Given your lack of a response, I fart in your general direction.

Peace out.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 12:23 AM (QNcbF)

244 crud there were more drunk drivers during prohibition than today

(assuming equal populations)

Posted by: moron #73 at June 29, 2015 12:23 AM (PY/7D)

245 torquewrench, yeah, it's complicated.

I'm a big thick guy so my BAC might have to be up to past .1 to see a difference in my driving. OTOH, I have a very thin sister who has half a beer and boom, she's inebriated and can't drive.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:23 AM (ntObR)

246 Sorry about losing Kitty, Maet. Mr.Sugar lived w/us for 17 years, it hurt terribly when he had to go. He was a family member.

Posted by: BignJames at June 29, 2015 12:24 AM (j7iSn)

247 Did anyone here notice that CNN stepped on its dick again? They were reporting on a gay pride parade in NYC (IIRC), and somebody was toting a mock ISIS flag; black background, white circle, with an array of sketches of dildos and butt plugs instead of the usual arabic squiggles.


But CNN called it the ISIS flag, never caught the satire. Question in my mind: was this some gay pride type deliberately mocking ISIS, or was this somebody mocking Big Anus by drawing a comparison to ISIS? Or was it an agent provocateur seeking to spark a confrontation between ISIS and the Mauve Mafia?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:24 AM (5z2ng)

248 190 I would expect any Church to be due significant EITC, not on the hook for taxes
Posted by: Jean at June 29, 2015 12:03 AM (ztOda)


They aren't after the churches for income tax, it's property taxes that they want to hit them with.

Why? There are a crapton of churches located on very valuable property in liberal shithold cities. Couple that with all the things the church has in it used for its services that can be taxed as "machinery" or furniture, and you get another assload of money.

The Left isn't thinking of the Feds getting the money but their allies in local governments that have a want for that cash.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at June 29, 2015 12:24 AM (Z7G74)

249 A retired cop who taught a traffic school class which I attended talked to me off the record about DUI and BAC. He said that there are *so* many drivers out there clocking 0.08 that if it really were reliably correlated with driving danger, there would be mass slaughter on the roads every night.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 29, 2015 12:20 AM (noWW6)


Yep. People know that the chances of anyone getting into an accident is very, very low - even if they're drunk as hell. But they take one or two accidents and blow them out of proportion, making people think that if you get in a car drunk, in any way, you're almost guaranteed to get into a fatal accident. And that's just obvious bullshit. But they need to make it sound so immediate and grave so that they can arrest everyone drinking within earshot of any "motorized vehicle" (to a scooter) and can put up un-Constitutional random roadblocks to search all of us ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2015 12:25 AM (MYSVz)

250 night everyone

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 29, 2015 12:26 AM (0O7c5)

251 Maet, condolences.

I'm weird, I've never been a pet person. Probably because of my OCD, which of course leads to my severe distaste at even the thought of having to clean up a litter box or other varieties of dander. (I often joke to my family, I'll get a pet as soon as they invent one that doesn't poop.)

The older I get though, I can definitely understand why people love their pets, especially big shaggy friendly dogs. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:26 AM (ntObR)

252 >>>Or was it an agent provocateur seeking to spark a confrontation between ISIS and the Mauve Mafia?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:24 AM (5z2ng)<<<

Hmmm, maybe zombie's been up to some mischief?

Posted by: fingers crossed at June 29, 2015 12:27 AM (9iL4y)

253 The older I get though, I can definitely understand why people love their pets, especially big shaggy friendly dogs. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:26 AM (ntObR)


You need a pet rock. I just happen to have several for sale, all housebroken, and vetted by a geologist.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:29 AM (5z2ng)

254 qdpsteve (and others),

Check out this recent Fox report on CA traffic fines; reason #infinity+1 to not going to CA:

http://tinyurl.com/p85l32u

It's not just DUIs anymore.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 29, 2015 12:29 AM (DblUs)

255 Wait until ISIS gets a taste of our Dildo Bomb.

Their asses belong to us!

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 12:29 AM (MQEz6)

256 GnuBreed, too late for me. ;-)

I live in the belly of the beast, Los Angeles County. Am OC-adjacent however.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:30 AM (ntObR)

257 PrimordialOrderedPair @ 223 - Note to self: Install holster and mag pouches with beer holder on ride-on-mower.

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 12:31 AM (HLx1C)

258 253 The older I get though, I can definitely understand why people love their pets, especially big shaggy friendly dogs. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:26 AM (ntObR)


You need a pet rock. I just happen to have several for sale, all housebroken, and vetted by a geologist.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:29 AM (5z2ng)

You sound like a metamorphic kinda guy.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 12:31 AM (MQEz6)

259 Just read the governor of Puerto Rico was quoted as saying "This isn't politics, this is math." That is a lesson Washington is going to learn, and it ain't going to be pretty. The Eurozone is getting a dose of it.

Exponential growth is not sustainable. The human mind just can't seem to grasp it. Everything looks fine, until just before the end.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 29, 2015 12:31 AM (dvuhZ)

260 I've never been big on gay parades but I gotta admit, their spoof of an isis flag was 100% spot-on.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:33 AM (ntObR)

261 In at #10! Eat my twerk!

Posted by: Miley Cyrus at June 29, 2015 12:33 AM (6qR/9)

262 "I can definitely understand why people love their pets" My cats love me so much. They feel most happy and secure when I'm with them. It's strange how cats, cruel killers that they are, are so frightened by most of the world around them.

I love dogs too, but never owned any. Lonely cats keep showing up on the doorstep needing a home.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2015 12:33 AM (mk9aG)

263 On another of my typing jobs a few nights ago, was typing about a doctor named... Vileisis.

Think about it for a sec. Vile-isis.

Hope he's not in partnership with Dr. Gaynazi...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:34 AM (ntObR)

264 I love dogs too, but never owned any. Lonely cats keep showing up on the doorstep needing a home.
Posted by: gp
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Hoboes, reincarnated.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 12:35 AM (F2IAQ)

265 I'm out for the night. Another long week ahead. Y'all take care.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 29, 2015 12:35 AM (nL0sw)

266 "Welcome to the Medical Practice of Vileisis and Gaynazi, Proctologists"

"We take your shit so you don't have to!!"

[/rimshot]

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:36 AM (ntObR)

267 Chris Squire got too close to the edge.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 29, 2015 12:37 AM (W5DcG)

268 Bertram, yep. He was always a Fragile sort.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:38 AM (ntObR)

269
Check out this recent Fox report on CA traffic fines
Posted by: GnuBreed



People seem rather surprised that if you don't pay your initial ticket and skip court, things go egg-shaped pretty fast.

Now, a legitimate complaint is the doubling of fines in "construction zones", then putting vacant work sites up and down the freeway to git you for that.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:38 AM (kdS6q)

270 DUIs are one of those crimes that flogging is perfect for. First offense: five lashes. Second: ten. Third: twenty.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 29, 2015 12:39 AM (10ydV)

271 Stephan Pastis did a great bit about band names and drummer names for his comic strip, "Pearls Before Swine," a few weeks ago.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:39 AM (ntObR)

272 "Just read the governor of Puerto Rico was quoted as saying 'This isn't
politics, this is math.' That is a lesson Washington is going to learn,
and it ain't going to be pretty."

Meanwhile, the guy at the top of the heap in Washington right now loves politics and hates math. Yeah, that'll end well.

Anyone else remember the snide line from _The West Wing_ about how they wanted to have "parts of speech, and fractions," included in the list of debate topics with their Republican challenger?

Can anyone imagine Obama having had to wrestle with fractions, live on television? It would be UTTERLY MARVELOUS.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 29, 2015 12:39 AM (noWW6)

273 Laurie, yep.

"Uh Caltrans, I don't see any actual work going on. What are you really constructing here?"

"Pretext."

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:40 AM (ntObR)

274 Sorry Maet for your loss.

I have a cat story I've maybe told here before, but I think it's worth sharing again.

We came home from a trip, neighbor was taking care of our 20 yo cat. Wife goes in first and says "Sally is dead"!

I find the cat under the coffee table, cold and not breathing. Go out back and dig a hole to bury her. As I pick her up and get to the back door I hear a gasp.

We decide is the death gasp, air expelling from a dead body. I place her in the grave. When she is laid on the cold ground her legs start to move!

Bring her back in and pet her, she seems to respond, now I can see her breathing.

After a bit I realize it's time to let her go and stop petting her. She died a few minutes later.

It was amazing, my touch brought her back from near death, she was waiting for us. And once I let her go she passed. It was very weird.

Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 12:40 AM (o/90i)

275 Absolutely agree that DUI laws are abused, but in my senior year of high school, I lost two friends to a couple of drag racing drunk drivers.

They literally peeled Regina off the steering wheel. She was 16.

Chris died when they took her off of life support after several years in a coma. She was 15 t the time of the "accident"

Diane got away with a crushed pelvis, 12 broken ribs, broken left shoulder, elbow and wrist, a broken jaw and crushed left orbital socket. Also 15.

I have no doubt that the drag racing is ultimately what did the damage ( 110 on impact) but the drinking impaired their judgement. They had been pulled over earlier that night, and since they said they were going right home, the cops let them go with a warning.







Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:41 AM (BVDFs)

276 207 buzzion, agreed.

A real DUI policy would be: first offense, lose your license for five years, you're not allowed anywhere near a car during that time, no exceptions, maybe not even for your job or emergencies.

second offense, you're in jail for attempted murder and you *never* get to drive again. Period.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:10 AM (ntObR)


Getting your license taken away won't stop a drunk from driving. Probably 5-10% of the people on the road have no license or are driving on a suspended license, and they don't care.

Several years ago, a woman was drunk as shit and killed a highway worker on her way home. During the lead up to her trial, she was not allowed to use alcohol or drugs and would be given breathalyzer tests, she failed them and was put into jail until her trial. She is found guilty and sentenced, she gets paroled. Several months later a motorist calls the police about someone weaving all over the road. Cops stop the car, and it is her, drunk as shit. Now she may be going back to the slammer, but who knows with the court system.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at June 29, 2015 12:41 AM (Z7G74)

277 Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 12:40 AM (o/90i)

Ohhhh that is so dear and sweet.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:42 AM (BVDFs)

278 Tammy and Ashley, true and true.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:45 AM (ntObR)

279 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:41 AM (BVDFs)

***

Yep. In my home town, cops would follow you home if they had the time if you were drunk and driving, or just warn you that they better not see you out again if they didn't have the time.

Probably not a good policy, but it was a different time.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 12:46 AM (mG3Qj)

280
Probably not a good policy, but it was a different time.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 12:46 AM (mG3Qj)


We had a cop tell our senior class point blank that they knew the back road that all the kids went up to drink, and as long as the driver was sober, they didn't care about the rest of the car.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 29, 2015 12:48 AM (10ydV)

281 Prisons are way overcrowded and drunk drivers are often decent people. I get that; it's just kind of sickening that so many get away with it over and over again.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:48 AM (BVDFs)

282 Uber the DUI folks home.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 12:49 AM (MQEz6)

283
Also re: CA traffic fines, here's the math:

http://www.courts.ca.gov/23715.htm

Lots of add-ons, but that's what happens when government eels around limitations on direct taxation.

But, if you can afford a car and insurance* and gas, you should be able to afford a standard ticket -- if you pay or challenge it on time.

* "?Que?"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:49 AM (kdS6q)

284 And I hope I do not need to say that I think a cop arresting someone drinking a beer on a riding lawnmower on his own property is insane.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:50 AM (BVDFs)

285 And I hope I do not need to say that I think a cop arresting someone drinking a beer on a riding lawnmower on his own property is insane.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:50 AM (BVDFs)

286 We had a cop tell our senior class point blank that they knew the back road that all the kids went up to drink, and as long as the driver was sober, they didn't care about the rest of the car.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 29, 2015 12:48 AM (10ydV)

In my town, some of the cops partied with 18-20 year olds. Pretty creepy, looking back, but it saved many a ticket, be that right or wrong.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 12:51 AM (QNcbF)

287 Okay, enough sadz.... what can I use for kitty litter for very young kittehs?


I keep reading that you shouldn't use actual litter for fear they'll eat it. Right now they use old sheets, but things have reached a crisis point.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:52 AM (BVDFs)

288 Farmer that is such a touching story

Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 12:53 AM (2XMpf)

289 The ticket should go to your insurance company and the company should fine you and raise your rates.

People already pay income taxes and property taxes for law enforcement.

Ticket fees give the government the wrong incentives.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 12:54 AM (MQEz6)

290
The ACLU claimed the state denied drivers due process since they were required to pay a fine in full just for the right to see a judge.



That's a legit complaint. Not everyone has a cash float. Posting a partial bond before trail would be fair.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:54 AM (kdS6q)

291 I keep reading that you shouldn't use actual litter for fear they'll eat it. Right now they use old sheets, but things have reached a crisis point.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:52 AM (BVDFs)


I've got this antique document I'm not using.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 29, 2015 12:55 AM (5z2ng)

292 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:52 AM (BVDFs)

Shreaded paper was my standard with really young kittens

Posted by: Phil at June 29, 2015 12:55 AM (39FGM)

293 Right now they use old sheets, but things have reached a crisis point.
Posted by: Tammy
----------------

?
I, and everyone I know, have just used ordinary litter. In my case, ordinary clay litter. It's all the rage now to use all sorts of other stuff, but *perhaps* that is where the eating comes in. Dunno.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 12:55 AM (F2IAQ)

294 Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 12:40 AM (o/90i)
Ohhhh tht's toughat is so dear and sweet.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:42 AM

It's tough to loose your pets. But they are a joy, we are now dealing w/ a 5 month old chocolate lab. She's a handful.

Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 12:56 AM (o/90i)

295 I've got this antique document I'm not using.
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 29, 2015 12:55 AM (5z2ng)


If it weren't so sad, I'd be LOLing.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:56 AM (BVDFs)

296 My fiancÚ's cat does not like cat toys.
Give her a receipt, and she goes nuts. She's in cat heaven.

On that cute note, good night everyone.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale Warily Watching Anna Puma at June 29, 2015 12:56 AM (F0Cog)

297 People seem rather surprised that if you don't pay your initial ticket and skip court, things go egg-shaped pretty fast.

Now, a legitimate complaint is the doubling of fines in "construction zones", then putting vacant work sites up and down the freeway to git you for that.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:38 AM (kdS6q)


No shit.

Guy I worked with 20 years ago decided not to pay a speeding ticket. Months later, his license was suspended. One morning on his way home from work, he decided to stop and get a biscuit at Hardees, his car smoked so bad that you could see it coming for miles. A cop was behind him at Hardee's and decided to pull him over to tell him to get it fixed. Cop finds out that his license is suspended, he gets 30 days in jail.

BTW, if he had been pulled over 2 weeks earlier, he would have gotten a warning, but a car dealer's son had been killed by a drunk driving on a suspended license 10 days earlier, so the local cops were cracking down big time.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at June 29, 2015 12:56 AM (Z7G74)

298 Miss Tammy - We Started our kittens off with regular cat litter, they didn't eat it. Our dog was another matter.

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 12:57 AM (HLx1C)

299 Gays can now put all that excess glitter to use as training kitty litter.

Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 12:58 AM (jT+gh)

300 Our dog was another matter.
Posted by: Butch
------------------

Cookies!

Posted by: Our stupid, yet adorable!, dog. at June 29, 2015 12:58 AM (F2IAQ)

301 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 12:38 AM (kdS6q)


The initial ticket the vet got cost like $125 face value, but after all the extra fees and such were added the ticket price jumped to near $400. Now I know everyone here has $400 cash lying around for such an event, but rest assured much of the rest of the country don't. They buy everything on time, and their check is gone as soon as they get it.

So in a month, you don't have the near $400 to pay when due, so then they tack on ANOTHER $375 to that ticket.

aaaand that's when the trouble started...

Yeah, that sounds like a fair and just system to me. But hey what do I know.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 29, 2015 12:58 AM (DblUs)

302 Everybody, thanks for the great chat. Gotta call it a night. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 29, 2015 12:59 AM (ntObR)

303 Totalitarian regimes (including isl*m) clamp down on homosexuality for the simple reason that accusations of homosexuality are a convenient way to shame, disgrace and eventually punish your enemies, while requiring zero proof. It's the triple whammy of social control.

Posted by: Mega at June 29, 2015 01:00 AM (9Du4t)

304 Yeah, Mike. Our dog at the time was all "Nom Nom Nom."

No, you can't lick me on the face!

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:00 AM (HLx1C)

305 Shreaded paper was my standard with really young kittens
Posted by: Phil at June 29, 2015 12:55 AM (39FGM)


PERFECT! How did I not think of that??

They're about 5 weeks old, that should be just right. They're on our back deck, and are at that optimum cute kitty age where they run all about and are learning to pounce and are in fact climbing the stucco walls of our house..

Then there are the teeny wee dumplings on the front porch, just three weeks and so precious and sweet that you all but die of adorableness when you look at them.

And fat! Is that normal? I am not feeding them at all, they are still nursing.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 01:01 AM (BVDFs)

306 Tammy, I wouldn't use paper or cloth since the little buggers might get fixated on it and pee on anything like that on the floor. This will get old quickly as they get older and their volume increases.

Have you tried sand or dirt? My best years of my childhood was having my own sandbox and digging cat scat out of it over and over again, so I know kitties love sand.

otherwise there are the wheat-hull based litters. A friend usese SWheat Scoop
http://www.swheatscoop.com/

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2015 01:01 AM (3pRHP)

307 If you morons don't want to get arrested for DUI, you should just get a chauffeur. Duh. *hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 29, 2015 01:02 AM (6qR/9)

308 If it weren't so sad, I'd be LOLing.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:56 AM (BVDFs)

***

I hear ya. Keep your chin up and buckle up. Only thing to do, now.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 01:02 AM (QNcbF)

309 Online by the equivalent of duct tape and baling wire, but online. Briefly.

Milady & I saw the original Blue Man Group, and what a story about how we ended up there. For another night.

Maet, sympathy for that feline-sized hole in your life. Your Kitty looks a whole lot like our old pal Jack, who left us last year, and he was a real people-cat also. It's hard. Got some grit in my eyes.

So, Good Night, Gracies. Partying with my mom's family for her 95th bday has left me no time or brains to read comments, but I'll assume you're all up to no good as usual. God bless alla y'all.

Posted by: mindful webworker - up 2 late 4 me at June 29, 2015 01:02 AM (Xh7t/)

310 My little feral kitty was self trained after he figured out what the litter box was about.
Prior to that he would squeeze in among the 5 gallon buckets in the back closet and hide his scat there.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2015 01:03 AM (3pRHP)

311 Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 12:57 AM (HLx1C)

My experience is that the dogs will eat what is in the litter, too.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 01:03 AM (BVDFs)

312 We will manspread on the beaches, on the seas, and in the skies.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 01:05 AM (CdIQH)

313 Have you tried sand or dirt?

Well duh, another thing that never occurred to me! Thank you!

They're outdoors, probably will remain so, so I do not worry about them peeing on the floors, but we have 12 acres, so dirt is plentiful.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 01:05 AM (BVDFs)

314 Yup, Tammy. "No-bake cookies"

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2015 01:06 AM (3pRHP)

315 Night, Tik and Mindful!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 01:06 AM (BVDFs)

316
Sixth shark attack at NC beaches.
AtC's theory gains strength.

Posted by: Our stupid, yet adorable!, dog. at June 29, 2015 01:07 AM (F2IAQ)

317 Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2015 01:06 AM (3pRHP)

I suppose it really just tastes like cat food.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 01:07 AM (BVDFs)

318 Even outdoor kitties need someplace when they are trapped inside. Otherwise they get creative.


Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2015 01:08 AM (3pRHP)

319 274 Sorry Maet for your loss.

I have a cat story I've maybe told here before, but I think it's worth sharing again.

We came home from a trip, neighbor was taking care of our 20 yo cat. Wife goes in first and says "Sally is dead"!

I find the cat under the coffee table, cold and not breathing. Go out back and dig a hole to bury her. As I pick her up and get to the back door I hear a gasp.

We decide is the death gasp, air expelling from a dead body. I place her in the grave. When she is laid on the cold ground her legs start to move!

Bring her back in and pet her, she seems to respond, now I can see her breathing.

After a bit I realize it's time to let her go and stop petting her. She died a few minutes later.

It was amazing, my touch brought her back from near death, she was waiting for us. And once I let her go she passed. It was very weird.

Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 12:40 AM (o/90i)



I have attended two human deaths -- my grandfather and the fiancee's mother -- where medicine was not enough to keep someone alive.....but they lived until their loved ones were near.




And, not able to move a muscle and in terrible straits, their loved ones held their hand and said out loud, something like "I'd keep you with me forever, but not at this cost." Moments later, they were gone. These were in ICUs, but there were nurses nearby. There was no medical explanation as to why they lived so long; there was no medical explanation as to when they passed. The two situations were 3000 miles apart, and I was the only person at both.



"It was amazing, my touch brought her back from near death, she was waiting for us. And once I let her go she passed. It was very weird." It happens with people, too -- and is no less weird. But in that weirdness, there is also a sense of wonder and of love.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 01:08 AM (EzgxV)

320 Sometimes canned cat food costs more than tuna.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 01:08 AM (CdIQH)

321 Miss Tammy - If you need a morale booster, search for Simon Schama's "History of Britain" on YouTube. season 2, episode 8, "The Winston's." it's about Winston Churchill and George Orwell. It's all good, but you might want to fast forward to the 36 minute point, Winnie's address to Parliament in May 1940. "We shall never surrender." Watched it earlier today, tears streaming down my face. Bourbon may have been involved.

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:08 AM (HLx1C)

322
aaaand that's when the trouble started...
Posted by: GnuBreed



Now now, driving is a privilege and there are base expenses for having a car, and having cash or credit to cover a fine is one of them. In an era of potential $100 fill-ups, having access to a potential fine is prudent. Don't/can't do that? Then live on the edge or get a bus pass.

And the guy in question skipped a court date, let the fines go to collections and so on. Again, not paying what the government wants from you rarely ends well.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 01:09 AM (kdS6q)

323 serious question:

who the fuck would order a chicken burrito to begin with?

carnitas, sure. carne asada, of course... al pastor? why not?

but pollo? YGBFSM...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 01:09 AM (I8nxO)

324 Miss Tammy - Crunchy outside! Chewy center!

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:10 AM (HLx1C)

325 They were out of tongue.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2015 01:10 AM (3pRHP)

326 Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 12:40 AM (o/90i)
Ohhhh that is so dear and sweet.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:42 AM

She was the sweetest cat. Just so old and she hung on until we came home. But the bad part is I almost buried her alive!

The good part is I didn't and I can share the power of love in telling this story. She loved us so much she hung to life till we got home and could let her go.

Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 01:11 AM (o/90i)

327 Butch - Have you ever watched this?
http://tinyurl.com/mrdctm9

Posted by: Our stupid, yet adorable!, dog. at June 29, 2015 01:12 AM (F2IAQ)

328 My brother once got a ticket for speeding. i can't recall exactly what the acts were but IIRC what happened was he passed a rookie cop who pulled out, pulled him over and said he could just "tell" that my brother was speeding and was giving him a ticket for 5 miles over the posted. My brother, ever the calm one, argued and got hotter and hotter, (the rookie cop admitted he did not even have a radar gun). Finally my brother signed the ticket, te cop steped behind my brother's car and my brother pulled out into traffic, pulling out and buckling his seatbelt as he went. Yep, the cop jumped in his car and pulled him over for driving on a public road without his seatbelt fastened. My brother refused to pay that one and I believe actually avoided the warrent until it expired.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 29, 2015 01:12 AM (hVozd)

329 Off with adorable sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:12 AM (F2IAQ)

330 Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:10 AM (HLx1C)

No doubt!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 01:13 AM (BVDFs)

331 The things that I love are odd.
Palak Paneer, Tongue burritos, chicken livers fried up with pepper and served in a flatbread with cheddar and cottage cheese...

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2015 01:13 AM (3pRHP)

332 I just made a post to my blog, but I can't find this one link I wanted to put in there where some liberal site was gloating kind of visciously about the gay thing.

Posted by: Dave M at June 29, 2015 01:13 AM (Cbzos)

333 Mike @ 327
1 - Thank you very much.

2 - might want change your sock.

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:14 AM (HLx1C)

334 She loved us so much she hung to life till we got home and could let her go.
Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 01:11 AM (o/90i)


She wanted to see and feel and smell you one more time.

And now I am all teary.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 01:14 AM (BVDFs)

335 some liberal site was gloating kind of visciously about the gay thing.
Posted by: Dave
--------------------

Love Wins!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:14 AM (F2IAQ)

336 Posted by: Dave M at June 29, 2015 01:13 AM (Cbzos)

***

Yawn....

Post here more than once a pimping day and we can talk.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 01:15 AM (mG3Qj)

337 316


Sixth shark attack at NC beaches.

AtC's theory gains strength.

what theory is that?

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 01:15 AM (I8nxO)

338 Maybe a shark has turned man eater?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 01:16 AM (CdIQH)

339 what theory is that?
Posted by: redc1c4
---------------

Everything out-of-doors is intent upon killing you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:17 AM (F2IAQ)

340 what theory is that?
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 01:15 AM (I8nxO)

***

Outdoors is trying to kill you.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 01:18 AM (mG3Qj)

341 i can support that theory...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 01:21 AM (I8nxO)

342 i almost fell off a 10 foot ladder today because of a single bee...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 01:21 AM (I8nxO)

343 342 redc

You almost fell off a 10' bladder???

Posted by: speedster1 on the ipad at June 29, 2015 01:22 AM (1brdf)

344 Losing a pet is losing a family member and a friend. It hits hard.

Sorry for your loss.

Posted by: Hank at June 29, 2015 01:23 AM (e2GNw)

345 One of my favorite Churchill stories: When he traveled via battle cruiser to his first meeting with FDR, he insisted that a machine gun be mounted to his lifeboat.

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:24 AM (HLx1C)

346 Sorry about Unit12, Maet. My wife and kids and I had a dog for 14 1/2 years, and another for 13 1/2. It's very, very hard.

I'd assume Kipling's poem works just as well for cats, come to think of it.

Posted by: Bill in TN at June 29, 2015 01:24 AM (3LsBS)

347 You almost fell off a 10' bladder???
Posted by: speedster
-----------------

Just blow into this device, sir...

Posted by: Cop at June 29, 2015 01:24 AM (F2IAQ)

348 no: Texas style heat/humidity here today... sweating too much to have to pee like that.

#TMI

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 01:25 AM (I8nxO)

349 ok good night all
Monday is going to be a killer day

sweet dreams

Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 01:25 AM (2XMpf)

350 347 You almost fell off a 10' bladder???
Posted by: speedster
-----------------

Just blow into this device, sir...

Posted by: Cop at June 29, 2015 01:24 AM (F2IAQ)



Just blow this device, sir.....

Posted by: SF Cop at June 29, 2015 01:25 AM (EzgxV)

351 Maet I am so sorry about your kitty Kitty...

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 01:25 AM (NPofj)

352 Bill @ 346 - The Power of the Dog.

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:26 AM (HLx1C)

353 Currently 57 deg. here. Low 50's by morning.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:27 AM (F2IAQ)

354 Greece has been in full-on collapse mode for years. Just read some of the stories.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 28, 2015 11:50 PM (dvuhZ)


I read last week that they are holding newborns hostage in the hospital until their parents cough up the cash to pay the maternity ward bill.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 01:27 AM (NPofj)

355 Cop @ 347 - Eff you! I wasn't mowing my lawn

/inebriated moron

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:27 AM (HLx1C)

356 >>>342 redc



You almost fell off a 10' bladder???

Posted by: speedster1 on the ipad at June 29, 2015 01:22 AM (1brdf)<<<

Call Greg!

Posted by: the Drunk D.A. at June 29, 2015 01:28 AM (9iL4y)

357 Cop @ 347 - Eff you! I wasn't mowing my lawn

/inebriated moron
Posted by: Butch
---------------------

Cop fires warning shot to forehead.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:28 AM (F2IAQ)

358 354,redb

Wait, the Greeks have ObamaCare, too?!

Posted by: speedster1 on the ipad at June 29, 2015 01:28 AM (1brdf)

359 Wait, the Greeks have ObamaCare, too?!
Posted by: speedster
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Used to. The Bosch picked up the tab.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:29 AM (F2IAQ)

360 357 MH

Cop fires warning shot at dog.

FIFY

Posted by: speedster1 on the ipad at June 29, 2015 01:30 AM (1brdf)

361 353
Currently 57 deg. here. Low 50's by morning.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:27 AM (F2IAQ)

What's your elev. approx.?

Posted by: BignJames at June 29, 2015 01:30 AM (j7iSn)

362 In hopes of falling off The Wall of Shame altogether next week, I'm out. G'night kids.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:30 AM (F2IAQ)

363 Mike @ 357 - Yeah cops are in a sweet spot, for now. High authority, low accountability.

Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2015 01:31 AM (HLx1C)

364 My Big Fat Greek Swaddling don't come cheap, you pay now or we leave baby exposed on hillside. It grow up and betray Sparta someday.

Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 01:31 AM (jT+gh)

365 What's your elev. approx.?
Posted by: BignJames
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They keep dragging me back in...

Not to high ~3000'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:31 AM (F2IAQ)

366 I read last week that they are holding newborns hostage in the hospital until their parents cough up the cash to pay the maternity ward bill.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 01:27 AM (NPofj)


To be fair, the children to belong to the community...

Posted by: Melissa Harris-Perry at June 29, 2015 01:33 AM (7YlUk)

367 366 I read last week that they are holding newborns hostage in the hospital until their parents cough up the cash to pay the maternity ward bill.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 01:27 AM (NPofj)


The parents can just wait until they put the repossessed baby up for auction and then get it back cheaper.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2015 01:34 AM (MYSVz)

368 Not to high ~3000'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 01:31 AM (F2IAQ)

It's 66 here....about 900' and 60 miles south.....might hit 60...but doubtful.

Posted by: BignJames at June 29, 2015 01:35 AM (j7iSn)

369 Nil Butron is a pud.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 29, 2015 01:36 AM (TF10X)

370 Okay, enough sadz.... what can I use for kitty litter for very young kittehs?





I keep reading that you shouldn't use actual litter for fear
they'll eat it. Right now they use old sheets, but things have reached a
crisis point.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 29, 2015 12:52 AM (BVDFs)


Clay litter is not harmful to baby kittahs but if you want to litter train them, I would start with a container that is short enough for them to get into (a regular litter pan is like Mt. Everest when your legs are only four or five inches long)

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 01:37 AM (NPofj)

371 Nil Butron is a pud.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 29, 2015 01:36 AM (TF10X)

***

Bonk bonk on the head.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 01:37 AM (QNcbF)

372 Since we no longer have a constitution, I suggest outlawing Socialism - national, international, and fabian. Organizing for socialist parties should carry with it the punishment of asset, residence, and citizenship forfeiture and all should be let loose in the demilitarized zone of the Korean Peninsula.

Then we should get mean.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 01:39 AM (ukTrJ)

373 The parents can just wait until they put the repossessed baby up for auction and then get it back cheaper.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2015 01:34 AM (MYSVz)


LOL... When your economy is failing, looking for bargains is the only responsible thing to do.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 01:39 AM (NPofj)

374 Get me to the Greece!

Posted by: Russell Brand at June 29, 2015 01:41 AM (6qR/9)

375 Is there an alternative to insurance?

Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 01:43 AM (jT+gh)

376 we use a mix of Feline Pine, on the bottom of the box, with "Good Mews" or "Yesterday's News" on top.

they both absorb neutralize well, but the pine breaks down, whereas the paper ones don't.

together they w*rk better than either one separately, and the paper one keeps the pine dust from tracking around the house.

we has 4 house kittehs, and two boxes, so we have a lot of waste to deal with.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 01:43 AM (I8nxO)

377 Since we no longer have a constitution, I suggest outlawing Socialism - national, international, and fabian. Organizing for socialist parties should carry with it the punishment of asset, residence, and citizenship forfeiture and all should be let loose in the demilitarized zone of the Korean Peninsula.

Then we should get mean.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 01:39 AM (ukTrJ)


Turnabout is fair play.

Posted by: The Punishin' Hat at June 29, 2015 01:43 AM (7YlUk)

378 Is there an alternative to insurance?
Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 01:43 AM (jT+gh)

***
Sure. Having lotso cash has always been a good alternative.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 01:44 AM (mG3Qj)

379 I have attended two human deaths...loved ones were near.
And, not able to move a muscle and in terrible straits, their loved ones held their hand and said out loud, something like "I'd keep you with me forever, but not at this cost." Moments later, they were gone.

"It was amazing, my touch brought her back from near death, she was waiting for us. And once I let her go she passed. It was very weird."

It happens with people, too -- and is no less weird. But in that weirdness, there is also a sense of wonder and of love. Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 01:08 AM

I had a similar experience w/ my maternal Grandmother. She had a stroke, I was there maybe three days later.

She didn't react to anything but when I held her hand and told her I had on my hand the ring she gave me on my HS graduation she reacted.

It's tough losing these people, but it's just because they were so fantastic in contributing towards your life.


Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 01:47 AM (o/90i)

380 375 Is there an alternative to insurance?

Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 01:43 AM (jT+gh)



Not if you get hit by a car.....but if you've blown off Obamascam and discover you have cancer -- simply move to another state and enroll. They can't deny you for your pre-existing condition, and you clan clearly enroll in a gold plan since you're a new citizen.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 01:48 AM (EzgxV)

381 interesting, and s*bering, read, on what might happen if they keep pushing fascism.
http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/ what-youll-see-in-the-rebellion/

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 01:51 AM (I8nxO)

382 Is there an alternative to insurance?
Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 01:43 AM (jT+gh)


Yes. Apparently asset forfeiture.


Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2015 01:52 AM (3pRHP)

383 We have a Supreme Court Chief Justice who can't discern the clear intent of a goddamned stop sign.

I'd say we're hosed.

Posted by: Sam Adams at June 29, 2015 01:54 AM (R8h28)

384 Is there an alternative to insurance?

Posted by: =/= derit =/= at June 29, 2015 01:43 AM (jT+gh)


Savings or barter.... I will also pass on a tip from when I was uninsured. Treat medical care like any other purchase and compare prices by calling at least three doctors that can provide the service you need (when you can as this obviously won't work in an emergency). Most doctors will offer a discount for same day cash payment for services of between a third and half off of their normal prices. In an emergency, get the hospital care you need and then call the billing office afterward to see if they can offer you the same discount they would give an insurance company and to make arrangements to pay the bill in small monthly increments.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 01:54 AM (NPofj)

385 Outdoors is trying to kill you.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 01:18 AM (mG3Qj)

I've noticed that. Are you in N IL?

Mosquitos are killing us here!

Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 01:56 AM (o/90i)

386 10 min until the close of Nikkei market and it's down 560 (2.7%)

Tomorrow could be interesting.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 29, 2015 01:57 AM (fYgrm)

387 even his final hours with us in the garden were as happy as they could be given his condition.

That's awesome.

-_-

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at June 29, 2015 01:58 AM (CFcIt)

388 I've noticed that. Are you in N IL?

Mosquitos are killing us here!
Posted by: Farmer at June 29, 2015 01:56 AM (o/90i)

***

Not now, but grew up around there. Been in a free State for a long time now.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 29, 2015 01:59 AM (QNcbF)

389 Just as a how-dee-doo and by-the-way.....



Those of you who have been identified in the Target data breach, or the Anthem data breach, or the Federal data breach, who were offered "two years of data breach security".




Ever notice what "data breach security" looks like? It looks an awful lot like putting your private data all together in one spot and trusting some "authority" to work in your best interests. Funny how often that is just fine.....



Gold, silver, brass, and lead. And we need fewer "data breach security" companies and more handshakes in banks.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 02:03 AM (EzgxV)

390
Think of how farcical even the great system of govt. becomes when people of mediocre intelligence, weak character, and bad faith are in key positions.

Roberts beclowned the court and made a mockery of federal tax law in his first desperate effort to save a disastrously counter-productive unconstitutional program- then in even greater desperation the second time, tips the court over into parody territory with an orwellian (and comically unpersuasive and dumb) annihilation of accepted statutory construction. Not mention of logic itself.

One person has mandated a destructive, idiotic scheme cooked up by arrogant half-wits on the entire US population. One person.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 02:05 AM (QDnY+)

391 375 Is there an alternative to insurance?
There is a faith-based medical cooperative that's out there.

http://www.chministries.org/
and
http://samaritanministries.org/join/

Samaritan looks easier to join and maintain. Here's a comparison:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nwdgbgf

This should give you alternatives to having to deal with insurance.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 02:07 AM (ukTrJ)

392 "There is a faith-based medical cooperative that's out there."

For now.

You may safely expect that they'll be coming for those just as they're coming for the churches.

What was it that Italian fellow said?

"Everything for the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."

Well, when the State puts itself into health care, it's not going to brook competing alternatives for long.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 29, 2015 02:17 AM (noWW6)

393
But torque, the "law" (giggle) specifically exempted these kinds of religious-based ..... er, wait.

Never mind. You're probably right.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 02:19 AM (QDnY+)

394 When thinking about healthcare in America, you have to fundamentally realize that 80% of the costs are imposed by government diktat. In other words, if the cash price of a procedure would reasonably be $200, it's getting billed at $1000.




But you never get to see the real cost of the procedure, because it's billed at inflated rates to your insurance company, who has negotiated a lowered rate, and they're covering most of it, so your copayment is only $220.




Look at that again. If you were paying cash in a free market, it'd be $200.....buy you're paying a small proportion of a fraudulent price, so $220 looks good. And, BTW, you really got a great value from that $800/month insurance payment you're making.



The numbers are so ludicrous as to be insulting. The fact is that America would be immensely better off -- to the tune of possibly trillions of dollars -- if the Federal government would exit healthcare altogether and allow free markets to reach equilibrium.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 02:33 AM (EzgxV)

395 The numbers are so ludicrous as to be insulting. The
fact is that America would be immensely better off -- to the tune of
possibly trillions of dollars -- if the Federal government would exit
healthcare altogether and allow free markets to reach equilibrium.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 02:33 AM (EzgxV)



So true.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 02:40 AM (NPofj)

396
https://youtu.be/QQcccIfy7mE
Hunting wabbits

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 02:48 AM (2gDQR)

397 I used to be all excited for the elections - thinking of having new faces and exciting ways of explaining to the country the genius of the Founders - of seeing a surplus be returned, and of seeing pure research enabled at the same time opening space up to commercial use. Of feeling protected behind a missile shield that we could share with even our competitors like Russia (as Reagan once proposed - so both could have defense in depth).

Now I hope that I will get a form of fast-acting cancer - because then I could take revenge on the Vichy Government that I hate. I could help sap its reserves and puke all over its smug social workers' desks. And scream in agony into their ears enough to make them hate their lives and their values.

I live now to see revenge taken; I hope for pain and filth and hatred.

Thanks Obama. You c*(ksucking son of a communist prostitute, you killed America and now I'm living in an Occupied Nation, a Collaborationist's Puppet State, the Pit of The False Prophet and His Gay Orchestra.

I wish I could hope again for American things, but instead I wish for disease and death.



Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 02:49 AM (ukTrJ)

398
ctulhu amen times a zillion.

Yes, so many (most?) of themeat puppets around us - can hardly call them fellow citizens any more - are economically illiterate (this incl. "educated" and even successful people). They haven't given it a minute's thought.

When I had a routine but biggish screening test we all do at a certain age a few years ago, I decided to pay cash (thanks be to the deity, excellent health/genes etc, have always had high-deducticle catastrophic-type insurance, raised by a physician father to avoide "medicine" if possible and aside from sports injuries have done so, completely).

Took nearly an hour for the hospital to figure out what they would bill me. I asked for their lowest insurance rate. I asked the very nice woman struggling - and a bit embarrassed to be doing so - with this problem- "can you think of any other transaction you are ever part of where nobody knows the price? A plumber doing a repair call? Fixing a dented fender? A hair styling?" She actually got it - she said no, and that's bizarre.

So even back when I could (fairly easily) afford decent PPO "insurance" (haven't been able to since January 2014, by coincidence I guess), I have wondered how much "insurance" there was in the cost. I figure the actuarial cost + 3% profit (typical in the industry) for me was probably less than half of what I paid back then. The economic impact of a normal health care market (to incl. the financial aspects) would be gigantic (to the upside). The opposite, which we've been living and has now been made much worse, will have a similar impact in the other direction. But almost nobody understands how - and why - bad it was before, and will become. Frogs don't feel the water temp.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 02:52 AM (QDnY+)

399
Young gay men will now save their rectums for the sanctity of marriage.

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 02:52 AM (2gDQR)

400 The numbers are so ludicrous as to be insulting. The fact is that America would be immensely better off -- to the tune of possibly trillions of dollars -- if the Federal government would exit healthcare altogether and allow free markets to reach equilibrium.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 02:33 AM (EzgxV)


My mother recently dislocated and broke her arm. The insurance plan she was forced on basically told her the nearest doctor she could see that they'd help pay for was in something like 70 or so miles away in another county.

Thankfully she can pay out of pocket, though the unplanned expenses won't have repercussions.

I was in a similar situation with a follow-up to an emergency room visit.

Obamacare = paying out of pocket for real medical attention.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 29, 2015 02:58 AM (7YlUk)

401 The numbers are so ludicrous as to be insulting. The fact is that America would be immensely better off -- to the tune of possibly trillions of dollars

Completely true.

-- if the Federal government would exit healthcare altogether and allow free markets to reach equilibrium.
Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 02:33 AM (EzgxV)



...and there is only one way of convincing almost 70 percent of this stupid nation of that.

Collapse.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at June 29, 2015 02:58 AM (CFcIt)

402 Hello darkness my old friend.

Posted by: 'neath the halo of a streetlamp at June 29, 2015 02:58 AM (z7WDr)

403 398
ctulhu amen times a zillion.

Yes, so many (most?) of themeat puppets around us - can hardly call them fellow citizens any more - are economically illiterate (this incl. "educated" and even successful people). They haven't given it a minute's thought.

When I had a routine but biggish screening test we all do at a certain age a few years ago, I decided to pay cash (thanks be to the deity, excellent health/genes etc, have always had high-deducticle catastrophic-type insurance, raised by a physician father to avoide "medicine" if possible and aside from sports injuries have done so, completely).

Took nearly an hour for the hospital to figure out what they would bill me. I asked for their lowest insurance rate. I asked the very nice woman struggling - and a bit embarrassed to be doing so - with this problem- "can you think of any other transaction you are ever part of where nobody knows the price? A plumber doing a repair call? Fixing a dented fender? A hair styling?" She actually got it - she said no, and that's bizarre.

So even back when I could (fairly easily) afford decent PPO "insurance" (haven't been able to since January 2014, by coincidence I guess), I have wondered how much "insurance" there was in the cost. I figure the actuarial cost + 3% profit (typical in the industry) for me was probably less than half of what I paid back then. The economic impact of a normal health care market (to incl. the financial aspects) would be gigantic (to the upside). The opposite, which we've been living and has now been made much worse, will have a similar impact in the other direction. But almost nobody understands how - and why - bad it was before, and will become. Frogs don't feel the water temp.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 02:52 AM (QDnY+)



It's all about the shell and the pea -- then forcing you to need government to discern activities and price; then requiring insurance to discern out-of-pocket......by the time you pay for services you get, you have no idea what they cost.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 02:58 AM (EzgxV)

404 "can you think of any other transaction you are ever part of where
nobody knows the price? A plumber doing a repair call? Fixing a dented
fender? A hair styling?"

There actually are a few small surgical hospitals left in America that will quote you a flat cash price up front. They will no doubt face massive federal pressure to "harmonize" their operations with the rest of the industry.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 29, 2015 03:00 AM (noWW6)

405

If you were paying cash in a free market, it'd be $200.....buy you're paying a small proportion of a fraudulent price, so $220 looks good. And, BTW, you really got a great value from that $800/month insurance payment you're making.


In fact, it just might be worse.

I had a yearly checkup at my dermatologist 2 months ago, and made it quite clear that I wanted to pay cash, AND wanted to avoid insurance (Anthem, which I cancelled in November 2013)

The cash price was $120.00; No Trouble Found.

A month later, I get a notice from Anthem ... why? ... they aren't covering any of the visit (ok), but I owe $135.00. Why do they still have my name and account?

I exchanged calls, actually messages, with the dermatologist's umbrella company ... and finally went back to the office last week, to clear everything up. They were sure that I had paid in full while I was there. Someone at corporate had "assumed" ... I had them annotate my account ... Anthem is no longer my insurer (and hasn't been since November 2013). I think we're square.

Why did Anthem still have my name and account?

Enquiring Minds Want To Know.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 29, 2015 03:01 AM (FlRtG)

406 by the time you pay for services you get, you have no idea what they cost.
Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 02:58 AM (EzgxV)


Exactly. And no one can convince me that that was not by design.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at June 29, 2015 03:03 AM (CFcIt)

407 Why did Anthem still have my name and account?

Yo, homeslice, why are you looking at me?

Posted by: enterprising ChiCom hacker at June 29, 2015 03:03 AM (z7WDr)

408 405

If you were paying cash in a free market, it'd be $200.....buy you're paying a small proportion of a fraudulent price, so $220 looks good. And, BTW, you really got a great value from that $800/month insurance payment you're making.


In fact, it just might be worse.

I had a yearly checkup at my dermatologist 2 months ago, and made it quite clear that I wanted to pay cash, AND wanted to avoid insurance (Anthem, which I cancelled in November 2013)

The cash price was $120.00; No Trouble Found.

A month later, I get a notice from Anthem ... why? ... they aren't covering any of the visit (ok), but I owe $135.00. Why do they still have my name and account?

I exchanged calls, actually messages, with the dermatologist's umbrella company ... and finally went back to the office last week, to clear everything up. They were sure that I had paid in full while I was there. Someone at corporate had "assumed" ... I had them annotate my account ... Anthem is no longer my insurer (and hasn't been since November 2013). I think we're square.

Why did Anthem still have my name and account?

Enquiring Minds Want To Know.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 29, 2015 03:01 AM (FlRtG)



The Devil's bargain that all the insurance companies signed up for was that Obamacare would take a smidge of their business but force everyone to buy in. That hasn't worked out so well -- people's reaction is to opt out and negotiate cash. I'm so pissed at anyone involved with Obamacare [AARP, various insurance] that I'll actually boycott their asses. If I get some nasty lingering cancerish horror, I'll move to another state for treatment -- if I have a splinter, I'll pay cash. But the insurance conglomerates can go fuck themselves.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 03:07 AM (EzgxV)

409
Check the cost curves for medical areas with little to no insurance (elective cosmetic surgery and dermatology, etc.). Flat. Hmmm. Darndest thing.

Recall, ten thousand years ago (2008/9?), when some major corporations did what they could to reduce the needless financial waste (Von's/Safeway? One CEO did a WSJ op-ed on it). Reimbursement for costs for most minor things, employees encouraged to price shop. Rational, minimal self-insurance (company working with insurance company) for the larger stuff. I believe this company (ies) had experienced an abrupt end to rising medical costs, commencing immediately. And that was working *within* the artificially mangled medical finance system, overall.

Really gotta go, but I can never view the country the same way again. The economic illiteracy and lack of common sense that makes this O-care catastrophe - almost the exact opposite of everything that needed to be done - possible. And USMC, I think you're wrong - in the sense that "collapse" will not guarantee improvement.

Learning curve is flat.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 03:08 AM (QDnY+)

410
I've come to talk with you again

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 03:10 AM (ozpxp)

411 Why did Anthem still have my name and account?


for your own good, of course...

you ungrateful bastage.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 03:12 AM (lsWof)

412

408 cthulhu

The Devil's bargain ... etc. etc.


Why did Anthem still have my information ... 15 months after I bailed on them? 12 months I could understand, maybe ... there might be delayed bills that they are liable for (there have NEVER been any in my case).

But 15 months ... I suspect there might be some sort of "expectation" on their part ... that they will somehow be able to get a slice of my payments, benefits, subsidies, etc.

I wonder about the legality of their retention of my information.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 29, 2015 03:12 AM (FlRtG)

413 407 Why did Anthem still have my name and account?

Yo, homeslice, why are you looking at me?

Posted by: enterprising ChiCom hacker at June 29, 2015 03:03 AM (z7WDr)



So they could push you into credit management services so when the fascist state decided to roll-up your assets they would only need to look in one place.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 03:16 AM (EzgxV)

414 you could try talking to your state's insurance commissioner, and ask them why...

but they might start looking at you instead, since you don't have an insurance policy.

(for your own good again %-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 03:16 AM (lsWof)

415 Conservatives in Congress shoulf pack their bags and go home.

They are not helping by staying in DC.

All they are doing is propping up the Democrat-Republican Alliance Party.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 03:16 AM (MQEz6)

416
How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Molly's Hat at June 29, 2015 03:17 AM (ozpxp)

417 When a country reaches a critical level of stupidity, ignorance, and corruption nothing can save it.

It is best to get it over with.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 03:18 AM (MQEz6)

418 412

408 cthulhu

The Devil's bargain ... etc. etc.


Why did Anthem still have my information ... 15 months after I bailed on them? 12 months I could understand, maybe ... there might be delayed bills that they are liable for (there have NEVER been any in my case).

But 15 months ... I suspect there might be some sort of "expectation" on their part ... that they will somehow be able to get a slice of my payments, benefits, subsidies, etc.

I wonder about the legality of their retention of my information.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 29, 2015 03:12 AM (FlRtG)




Whether you live or die or suffer is immaterial. They want dominion over you. They want to know your secrets and your inflection points. They want total control. Doctor/patient privilege means less than nothing; HIPAA is a sad joke. Obamacare makes you a wholly owned slave to The State -- it should be no surprise that the Dems enacted it and the GOPe want it to stay.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 29, 2015 03:24 AM (EzgxV)

419 Law School Hypo #1

A married couple, Bob and Neal, decide to have a child. They contract with their friend, Vanna, to rent her uterus
for nine months.

Neal pays Vanna $10,000. In the contract she waives any
claims to her baby.

At the IVF clinic, Bob masturbates into a little cup. A doctor unites his sperm with one of Vanna's eggs, and implants the zygote into her uterus.

Nine months later, Vanna gives birth to a little girl, Susie. Vanna is filled with love for Susie and decides to keep
her.

Bob and Neal have a huge fight, and Neal moves into a shelter for battered men.

Bob sues for custody of Susie, and sues both Neal and Vanna for child support.

Neal sues for custody of Susie, and sues Bob for child support, and sues Vanna for child support and breach of
contract.

Vanna sues for custody of Susie, and sues Bob and Neal for child support.

Discuss!

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 03:24 AM (ozpxp)

420 Sorry about your cat. He looks like a good guy in that picture. We really need to get our genetic engineering game on so that our squeezable little buddies can live longer lives with us.

Posted by: goon at June 29, 2015 03:25 AM (gy5kE)

421 And USMC, I think you're wrong - in the sense that "collapse" will not guarantee improvement.

Learning curve is flat.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 03:08 AM (QDnY+)


On further review, you're right.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at June 29, 2015 03:30 AM (CFcIt)

422 Discuss!

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 03:24 AM (ozpxp)


Take Susie away from those nutballs and let her be adopted by a married couple consisting of a man and a woman.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 29, 2015 03:34 AM (7YlUk)

423
Take Susie away from those nutballs and let her be adopted by a married couple consisting of a man and a woman.

A+

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 03:36 AM (ozpxp)

424 Discuss!

not my circus, not my monkeys, so i don't GAF.

#FirstWorldProblems

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 03:39 AM (jMMCO)

425
Lawyers Employment Enabling Act.

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 03:40 AM (ozpxp)

426

So they could push you into credit management services ...


Is this a bunch of annoying phone calls, a monthly charge to my credit cards (that I will have to fight every month) or a forced deduction from my bank account?

Posted by: Arbalest at June 29, 2015 03:42 AM (FlRtG)

427 Bob sues for custody of Susie, and sues both Neal and Vanna for child support.

Neal sues for custody of Susie, and sues Bob for child support, and sues Vanna for child support and breach of
contract.

Vanna sues for custody of Susie, and sues Bob and Neal for child support.

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 03:24 AM (ozpxp)


King Solomon: I will cut Susie in three and you can each have her.

Bob: I want the head.

Neal: NO! I'm getting the head ... and the right arm.

Vanna: You can't have the right arm. That right arm reminds me of my grandmother.

Bob: Neal, if it's the last thing I do you will not get Susie's head. You can have her left leg, though.

Neal: Sure ... the leg. Who wants a leg?

King Solomon: Er ... This isn't the way it's supposed to work, you worthless freaks. I've changed my mind and decided to cut each of you into thirds, for the good of society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2015 03:45 AM (MYSVz)

428
I wonder about the legality of their retention of my information.
Posted by: Arbalest at June 29, 2015 03:12 AM (FlRtG)

Posted by: ***cough*** at June 29, 2015 03:45 AM (ozpxp)

429 King Solomon: Er ... This isn't the way it's supposed to work, you worthless freaks. I've changed my mind and decided to cut each of you into thirds, for the good of society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2015 03:45 AM (MYSVz)


Alternatively:

*blam*

*blam*

*blam*

"I'll give you a proper home little Susie"

Posted by: Judge Dredd at June 29, 2015 03:47 AM (7YlUk)

430
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2015 03:45 AM (MYSVz)

Right answer.

Posted by: ***cough*** at June 29, 2015 03:47 AM (ozpxp)

431 I wonder about the legality of their retention of my information.
Posted by: Arbalest at June 29, 2015 03:12 AM (FlRtG)

Posted by: ***cough*** at June 29, 2015 03:45 AM (ozpxp)


Shut up, serf.

Posted by: Your New Technocratic Nobility at June 29, 2015 03:48 AM (7YlUk)

432 Judge Dredd at June 29, 2015 03:47 AM (7YlUk)

Thank You, Judge!

Posted by: Little Susie, Woken Up & Everything ... at June 29, 2015 03:54 AM (nSOh+)

433 Even if Russia doesn't reclaim part of East Europe, or ISIS does not start major operations in Europe having flooded it with "refugees", or China does not go to war over claiming the entire Western Pacific, or if martial law is not declared in the US this year [I keep hearing rumors for September], the organic waste is approaching the rotating airfoil at speed.
-Subotai Bahadur

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 04:10 AM (ozpxp)

434 Had the Oracles of Delphi been able to believe their eyes, the 300 would've stayed on the farm and instead of "Molon Labe" by thundering King Loenidas we'd have "What difference does it make?" by screeching harpy Medusa.
-Buddy Larson

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 04:13 AM (ozpxp)

435 not sure how they're going to enforce martial law... the math is definitely NOT in their favor.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 04:19 AM (jMMCO)

436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eruB6nJugC0

Good Night and Good Luck.

Posted by: Molly at June 29, 2015 04:21 AM (ozpxp)

437 hell, as it is now, they can't even enforce the law in many parts of most big cities...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 04:23 AM (I8nxO)

438 not sure how they're going to enforce martial law... the math is definitely NOT in their favor.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 04:19 AM (jMMCO)


I'm not so sure. They'll have plenty of grievance mobs who're happy to bust head in addition to Silicon Valley who will jizz their pants over helping to stop H8rz...

Posted by: The Pessimistic Hat at June 29, 2015 04:24 AM (7YlUk)

439 "........then a legislator introduced a bill that would make the value of Pi be equal to 3 to make calculations easier......"

Posted by: Wally at June 29, 2015 04:27 AM (ozpxp)

440 "........then a legislator introduced a bill that would make the value of Pi be equal to 3 to make calculations easier......"

Posted by: Wally at June 29, 2015 04:27 AM (ozpxp)


Pi = 4

Posted by: SCOTUS at June 29, 2015 04:29 AM (7YlUk)

441 hell, as it is now, they can't even enforce the law in many parts of most big cities...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 29, 2015 04:23 AM (I8nxO)


You assume that isn't by design...

Posted by: The Plannin' Hat at June 29, 2015 04:29 AM (7YlUk)

442 Martial law...on what pretext?

Posted by: BignJames at June 29, 2015 04:31 AM (j7iSn)

443 Martial law...on what pretext?

Posted by: BignJames at June 29, 2015 04:31 AM (j7iSn)


Militias... or H8rz... or because the Kardashians said it was totes cool...

Posted by: LIV at June 29, 2015 04:33 AM (7YlUk)

444 439 "........then a legislator introduced a bill that would make the value of Pi be equal to 3 to make calculations easier......"

Posted by: Wally at June 29, 2015 04:27 AM (ozpxp)


"If you vote against my bill then you are supporting irrationality!!" -- Rep A. Douche

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 29, 2015 04:38 AM (MYSVz)

445 Well, as long as it's not September....I'll be on vacation.

Posted by: BignJames at June 29, 2015 04:38 AM (j7iSn)

446 I just clicked on a Drudge link about the SpaceX launch failure.

I guess I live a sheltered life, reading here and at NSF.com.

Is there some kind of rule that commenters at regular media sites have to be ignorant drooling imbeciles?

Posted by: rickl at June 29, 2015 04:41 AM (sdi6R)

447 Night all.

Here is "Electric Worry" by Clutch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ABpbxIPFI

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 29, 2015 04:58 AM (7YlUk)

448 "Is there some kind of rule that commenters at regular media sites have to be ignorant drooling imbeciles?"

Yes.


Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 29, 2015 05:39 AM (C8x6r)

449 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 29, 2015 06:00 AM (VPLuQ)

450 With SSM, as many other issues(particularly where SJW's are involved) we need to take back the language.

I'll be referring to participants only as "legally defined spouses", worse if I know my company at the time is down for the cause.

Posted by: Mister John Galt at June 29, 2015 06:02 AM (RR2Xj)

451 "G'morning, all."

Note if you are heavily invested in the Euro. It lost about 2% against the Dollar earlier this morning.

Not in Greece if you wondering what kind of Cash you will be using after July 5.

I still say Frau Merkel, the former east german communist, masquerading as a Conservative, will cave. Plenty of time left.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 29, 2015 06:12 AM (C8x6r)

452
Ooh, I'm a bottom jumper.

Good morning all. A fresh week of rape-shifting and persecution.

Oh joy. Now where's the friggin' morning thread?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:15 AM (St6BJ)

453 hi all. ugh. didn't sleep well.
how is everyone else doing this morning?

Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 06:17 AM (2XMpf)

454

"If we take matrimony at it's lowest, we regard it as a sort of friendship recognized by the police."

- - Robert Louis Stevenson

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:19 AM (St6BJ)

455 453 hi all. ugh. didn't sleep well.
how is everyone else doing this morning?
Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 06:17 AM (2XMpf)


Ain't you got any chem for that, Jeff?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:19 AM (St6BJ)

456 "I'll be referring to participants only as "legally defined spouses", worse if I know my company at the time is down for the cause."

I raised this question the other day.
Do businesses make it that besides the employee, the only others to receive benefits are legally married spouses, and the children of the marriage partners?

Steady girl friend?
No benefits

Room mate?
No benefits

Civil partner?
No benefits.


State marriage license?
Benefits

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 29, 2015 06:19 AM (VPLuQ)

457 Ain't you got any chem for that, Jeff?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:19 AM (St6BJ)

yeah, caffeine. it's slowly working

Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 06:21 AM (2XMpf)

458 My guess is that soon most companies will get out of the marriage benefits game altogether.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 29, 2015 06:21 AM (C8x6r)

459 456 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 29, 2015 06:19 AM (VPLuQ)


The homos already can get domestic partnerships with the full weight and bearing of marriage in probably every state.

But that was not the objective. The objective is to destroy the family unit, destroy G-d and make the supreme entity in everyone's life The State.

And you will be made to kneel before it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:22 AM (St6BJ)

460 457 Ain't you got any chem for that, Jeff?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:19 AM (St6BJ)
yeah, caffeine. it's slowly working
Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 06:21 AM (2XMpf)


Weird is that I'm finding that as I slouch towards decrepitude, the most sleep-inducing time of day is about a half hour before I have to get up. Sometimes I make a cup of coffee around 4:30AM and within a half hour, I can barely keep my eyes open. Best, if not shortest sleep ever!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:24 AM (St6BJ)

461 458 My guess is that soon most companies will get out of the marriage benefits game altogether.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 29, 2015 06:21 AM (C8x6r)


Like health insurance, right?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:25 AM (St6BJ)

462 So a gay pride parade in Istanbul was attacked...

Will President Gaylord Merkin Focker the Wurst bestir himself from a round of golf to say Turkey acted stupidly?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2015 06:28 AM (4fj37)

463 I need you guys to pep me up...or talk me down, one or the other.

At the risk of seeming like a brat...

I hate my job. I dread going to work. Except I like the actual work I do. I just hate my job.

And, I don't know that finding a new job would help. I am introverted, and I really just don't like being around people. And, I am not a fan of the structure of work hours.

I am a good worker, don't get me wrong. If someone said, "Here is your project. You have 40 hours this week, any 40 hours you choose, to get it done." I would be good as gold. But, to work within the confines of a 8-5 workday, around people....it just drives me batty.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 06:30 AM (adaac)

464 462 So a gay pride parade in Istanbul was attacked...

Will President Gaylord Merkin Focker the Wurst bestir himself from a round of golf to say Turkey acted stupidly?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2015 06:28 AM (4fj37)


Whoever participated, they got some serious brass balls. I imagine they were not Turks as the locals know better.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:31 AM (St6BJ)

465 463 Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 06:30 AM (adaac)

If you quit, I know about 93,000,000 people who you can hang out with.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:32 AM (St6BJ)

466 Well it was the Istanbul police with water cannons going all Selma on the pride participants....

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2015 06:32 AM (4fj37)

467
Weird is that I'm finding that as I slouch
towards decrepitude, the most sleep-inducing time of day is about a half
hour before I have to get up. Sometimes I make a cup of coffee around
4:30AM and within a half hour, I can barely keep my eyes open. Best, if
not shortest sleep ever!





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 06:24 AM (St6BJ)

Yeah sometimes it is the same with me, I will drink coffee and then get tired. and I looked it up, and there is actually a point where you can drink too much caffeine, and if that happens, you get sleepy.
But this time it was because I had tons of cr*p that I have to do today, plus, smoke alarm beeped saying battery was low, so that woke me up

Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 06:36 AM (2XMpf)

468 @465

That's the thing. I hate to seem ungrateful, because I am very lucky to have a job at all.

I just don't know that I am a traditional workplace kind of person.

But, I don't know if this is a "suck it up, Buttercup" situation where that's life, you do what you gotta do.

Or, if it shortens my life by being unhappy and stressed all the time. Is it really worth it? Ugh.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 06:36 AM (adaac)

469 Guess will start Monday off with some J-Pop

https://youtu.be/M6VsQ-4jojg

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2015 06:39 AM (4fj37)

470 Mornin' 'rons.

Couldn't sleep so I came in to work early to get some work done. Somebody has to support that FSA I guess.

I see they got Sweat. That's some good news amidst the DOOM.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 29, 2015 06:43 AM (7ObY1)

471 "Or, if it shortens my life by being unhappy and stressed all the time. Is it really worth it? Ugh."


No it is not worth it. If you can survive outside it, do it.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 29, 2015 06:43 AM (C8x6r)

472 well TickledPink I am an introvert too, I understand a little bit about not wanting to be around other people.

Lots of places will allow you to work from home nowadays, maybe that is something your boss will let you do.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 06:45 AM (2XMpf)

473 @423 Take Susie away from those nutballs and let her be adopted by a married couple consisting of a man and a woman

Take Susie away from those nutballs and let her be the 7th child bride of that new imam down the street.

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 06:46 AM (ueOgE)

474 She put her hand on the door and pushed it open slowly. It smelled like a locker room and a musty cellar. That old twirling disco light was still on; it always annoyed her because some moron popped out one of the color pieces leaving a single white spotlight to scan the room. The strangest part was nobody was in the room and they didn't leave any clue where the morning thread could be...

Posted by: Ruth at June 29, 2015 06:51 AM (oo88B)

475 @472

Nope, long story.

But, maybe I will be able to find a job out there that will allow that flexibility.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 06:53 AM (adaac)

476 "If Europe leaves us in the crisis, we will flood it with immigrants,
and it will be even worse for Berlin if in that wave... there will be
some jihadists of the Islamic State, too." Panos Kammenos, Defense
Minister of Greece


Blackmail? Extortion? Threatening violence if you don't get your way?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 29, 2015 06:55 AM (6yehy)

477 Interesting. Got a 500 error but it still posted. One of the Hamsters must of pushed the wrong button.


Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 29, 2015 06:58 AM (GoyxN)

478 I just realized the court is turning me from a conservative, arguing against change, to a radical, arguing for changes. Weird. Maybe I'll buy a tent and occupy something now.

Posted by: MTF at June 29, 2015 07:04 AM (DkJ4E)

479 I see they got Sweat. That's some good news amidst the DOOM.



Need moar range time. They shot him twice and he lived.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 07:09 AM (ITu74)

480 Maybe I'll buy a tent and occupy something now.


Next step: can you deficate in public?

Posted by: Ruth at June 29, 2015 07:10 AM (oo88B)

481 Jay Michaelson at Daily Beast asks if Scalia, Thomas et al committed "Treason" when objecting to the usurpation of state legislative authority by the anti-Constitutional SCOTUS majority.

I can help him out here, and direct him to Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States, where Treason is plainly defined so that even the most idiotic or crazed among us can understand. He should be able to see the answer to his question there.

Posted by: MTF at June 29, 2015 07:13 AM (DkJ4E)

482 Well it was the Istanbul police with water cannons going all Selma on the pride participants....



They should consider themselves lucky that it was just water cannons and not a whiff of grape......

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 07:13 AM (ITu74)

483 @480

Only if it's on a police car and there are cameras around.

Otherwise, no.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 07:14 AM (adaac)

484 I can help him out here, and direct him to Article
3, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States, where Treason is
plainly defined so that even the most idiotic or crazed among us can
understand. He should be able to see the answer to his question there.
Posted by: MTF at June 29, 2015 07:13 AM


If he actually read that, and applied the Awesome Reasoning Skillz that got him his gig at that Prestigious Website, he'd have to conclude that the only people who meet the standard as full-on traitors are Choom Boy, John F'n Kerry and a couple of the lesser myrmidons within the regime.

He'd have a Sad for sure....

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:17 AM (P8YHq)

485 I can help him out here, and direct him to Article 3, Section 3 of
the Constitution of the United States, where Treason is plainly defined
so that even the most idiotic or crazed among us can understand.


Treason has been redefined.

Dissent, patriotic yesterday, is treason today.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 07:17 AM (oVJmc)

486 Well TickledPink then yeah it does kinda sound like a "suck it up buttercup" kind of moment, sorry

Posted by: chemjeff at June 29, 2015 07:19 AM (2XMpf)

487 Dissent, patriotic yesterday, is treason today. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 07:17 AM

Fidel Castro and Zombie Joe Stalin have to be jealous as hell. We don't need our very own tyrant to crush dissent with armed thugs -- the people are doing it all on their own.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:21 AM (P8YHq)

488 484 Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:17 AM (P8YHq)

Myrmidons. Add that one to catamites and cloaca of words I learned nowhere else but here.

And . . . Good morning!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:24 AM (St6BJ)

489 The Constitution says what I say it says. This is an established fact.

I now declare that the Constitution guarantees me free blow jobs for life.

On your knees, bitches!

Posted by: John Roberts, Ruler of the World at June 29, 2015 07:25 AM (YFw5T)

490
Good news! It's National Chocolate Pudding Day!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:26 AM (St6BJ)

491 489 The Constitution says what I say it says. This is an established fact.

I now declare that the Constitution guarantees me free blow jobs for life.

On your knees, bitches!
Posted by: John Roberts, Ruler of the World at June 29, 2015 07:25 AM (YFw5T)



(**scrounges for tweezers and scanning tunneling electron microscope**)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:27 AM (St6BJ)

492 Good news! It's National Chocolate Pudding Day!



Let the dipping commence!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 07:28 AM (ITu74)

493 Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes.
Don't think I'll be posting this week. The last week was just too damned depressing and I'd rather not be confronted with daily reminders that I am now a criminal in my own country.

I'll leave you with this: during an interview, Groucho Marx was asked, "You revolutionized verbal comedy and Harpo was a master of pantomime. What did Chico ever contribute?"

Groucho answered, "Chico introduced gonorrhea to the Orpheum vaudeville circuit."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 29, 2015 07:28 AM (zF6Iw)

494 Good news! It's National Chocolate Pudding Day! [/I}

Sounds good!

Posted by: Kink Barack al-Hussein Zoobama at June 29, 2015 07:29 AM (DkJ4E)

495

Yum

Posted by: King Barack al-Hussein Zoobama at June 29, 2015 07:29 AM (DkJ4E)

496 And . . . Good morning!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:24 AM


And a Good Morning to you!

As for "myrmidon:" My vocabulary is peppered with archaic and generally useless words. I use them, because I, too, am archaic and useless....

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:30 AM (P8YHq)

497 Now that gay culture is mainstream will they just shut up? No? Then f those f'n f'rs.

Posted by: f'd at June 29, 2015 07:30 AM (BO/km)

498 I have again declined NASA's request that I stop sabotaging their launch efforts. I will continue to do so until this absurd concept of "Muslim outreach" is ended. One way or another.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:30 AM (VcOqI)

499 Jay Michaelson at Daily Beast


Ah, a professionally 'gay' writer.

They always make the best fascists.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 07:31 AM (oVJmc)

500 Well its 7:30 may as well post here.


Good Morning Morons. Today is Monday, June 29, 2015. On this day in 1956 the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 was signed, officially creating the United States Interstate Highway System. Eisenhower thought this law was probably unconstitutional but he had pressed for it. This was one major boondoggle from the government that I didn't think was unconstitutional because the Constitution provides for "post roads" which this could easily be said fell under that article.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:32 AM (GpgJl)

501 I'm so sorry about Maet' s Kitty...he looked just like my furry but with greener eyes.

Posted by: Gem at June 29, 2015 07:32 AM (c+gwp)

502 I expect an influence of gay commercials to flood the airwaves in a matter of days. I can feel it.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:32 AM (VcOqI)

503 The last one of the escaped murderers was shot and captured yesterday near the Canadian border. NY would not have had this problem if they had not arbitrarily rid themselves of the death penalty. Legitimate study has shown that the death penalty does deter capital crime if it is implemented fairly and carried out swiftly. NY did neither.


http://fxn.ws/1NnZ8MW

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:32 AM (GpgJl)

504 Greece is not the only one with debt that can not be paid without severe sacrifice. Puerto Rico is swimming in debt that can not be paid after years of socialist policies and negative spending.


http://fxn.ws/1g0UGc1

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:32 AM (GpgJl)

505 But you know, Treason IS the highest form of Patriotism.

I learned that from Lefties.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 29, 2015 07:32 AM (baR5c)

506 House Republican warns Americans to be vigilant for July 4 because ISIS is out there. Obama warns the public that white right wingers are the danger.


http://fxn.ws/1Lw2I8U

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:33 AM (GpgJl)

507 The liberal turds in black robes are set to rule on three more cases today.


http://fxn.ws/1Kpgzys

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:33 AM (GpgJl)

508 As much as I dislike Rand Paul he is 100% correct on his arguments against the stupid SCOTUS ruling on marriage.


http://ti.me/1LDsR6G

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:33 AM (GpgJl)

509 The Caesar cult in its manifold forms, the deification of the state, is one great form of the defection from the true idea of the state. There are also other possibilities of such defection. The government can forget and neglect its tasks. When it no longer distinguishes between right and wrong, when its courts are no longer governed by the strict desire for justice, but by special interests, when government no longer has the courage to exercise its law, fails to exercise its duties, undermines its own legal order, when it weakens through its family law parental authority and the estate of marriage, then it ceases to be governing authority.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 29, 2015 07:33 AM (nRvEn)

510 WaPo hit piece on Jebbie the Hut today.


http://wapo.st/1g16lHO

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:33 AM (GpgJl)

511 Sorry about your kitty.

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2015 07:33 AM (6xtq3)

512 Boner is giving Obama a boner. Make sure you looked at the "morphed" photo on the Drudge front page. (link to Politico)


http://politi.co/1HlzU2O

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:33 AM (GpgJl)

513 Raising such a question can lead to heavy conflicts of conscience. But it is fundamentally conceivable, and it has time and again become reality in history, that a governing authority has ceased to be governing authority. In such a case there may indeed exist a submission to a superior power. But the duty of obedience against this power no longer exists.

Hermann Sasse, What Is the State?1932

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 29, 2015 07:34 AM (nRvEn)

514 Fox News' guest priest is spat on as he walks by a Gaystapo parade. Yeah, its all about love.


http://bit.ly/1Hro7jG

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:34 AM (GpgJl)

515 Meanwhile in Turkey, home of those muzzies who love everybody, the gays find that the love doesn't apply to them. One doubts that muzzie countries will embrace gay marriage anytime soon, unless you consider it marriage to concrete when they get thrown from the top of a building.


http://bit.ly/1Lx9HhQ

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:34 AM (GpgJl)

516 I won't be celebrating Independence Day this year. I thought about it and I'm pretty sure I'd just find it depressing.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:34 AM (YFw5T)

517 Legitimate study has shown that the death penalty
does deter capital crime if it is implemented fairly and carried out
swiftly. NY did neither. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:32 AM


When the death penalty is used, the recidivism rate drops faster than Choom Boy's alleged "unemployment" rate.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:34 AM (P8YHq)

518 TX AG says clerks can refuse gay couples. This could get interesting.


http://bit.ly/1NsEZoz

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:34 AM (GpgJl)

519 A spate of black church fires is being investigated by the feds. From what I have seen in the past years these are almost always carried out by black themselves.


http://bit.ly/1KjDLfX

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:34 AM (GpgJl)

520 Scankles has been reduced to giving away free tickets to her speeches just to get butts in the seats.


http://bit.ly/1LxrxkJ

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:35 AM (GpgJl)

521 Lady boy Graham demonstrated once again why he is a RINO. After he drops out of this BS campaign maybe people in SC will actually remember this crap he said yesterday next time he is primaried.


http://bit.ly/1BPZpXC

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:35 AM (GpgJl)

522 The war between Karl Rove and Ted Cruz continues.


http://bit.ly/1IFwfYx

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:35 AM (GpgJl)

523 NYT calls for an end to tax exemption for churches.


http://bit.ly/1GUQqn2

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:35 AM (GpgJl)

524 Jindal did his best to educate Chuck Todd on NBC's Meet the Idiots. Not possible Bobby.


http://washex.am/1HrrJ5e

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:36 AM (GpgJl)

525 Trey Gowdy issued an ultimatum to Horseface yesterday.


http://washex.am/1TZIE2e

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:36 AM (GpgJl)

526 Heritage looks at Roberts and Kennedy on the court.


http://dailysign.al/1In6Ozf

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:36 AM (GpgJl)

527 Wait a minute, wait a minute....the influx of gay couple commercials has begun. I would advise killing off each of your television sets---one unit at a time.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:36 AM (VcOqI)

528 The Export-Import Bank Charter expires today and Congress is on vacation. So it will die. Let's hope the RNCe doesn't bring it back to life later.


http://dailysign.al/1NsJtLU

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:36 AM (GpgJl)

529 The Daily Deals


http://amzn.to/1C0Kvy5


That's it for today folks. Not much out there today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:37 AM (GpgJl)

530 #525 Congressional ultimatums are as useless as congressional hearings.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:37 AM (VcOqI)

531 TX AG says clerks can refuse gay couples. This could get interesting.


http://bit.ly/1NsEZoz
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:34 AM (GpgJl)

It's all kabuki. They'll fold.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 29, 2015 07:38 AM (nRvEn)

532 Greece is not the only one with debt that can not be paid without severe sacrifice. Puerto Rico is swimming in debt that can not be paid after years of socialist policies and negative spending.


**cough** California

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 07:38 AM (ITu74)

533 Congressional hearings: "All sound and 'fury', signifying nothing."

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:39 AM (VcOqI)

534 "Let's hope the RNCe doesn't bring it back to life later."

There is zero chance that Ex-Im won't be continued.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:39 AM (YFw5T)

535
Trey Gowdy issued an ultimatum to Horseface yesterday. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:36 AM


Wow! I'll bet Lurch is shakin' in his boots!

And mooochos graciass for teh Nooz, Vic!

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:39 AM (P8YHq)

536 Who is our congressional poseur of the moment? I've tuned them all out.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:40 AM (VcOqI)

537 I believe the RNC is in for a very big surprise in the next election cycle.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:40 AM (VcOqI)

538 Congress: All ultimatums, all the time. Tiresome. Don't you think?

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:41 AM (VcOqI)

539 532
Greece is not the only one with debt that can not be paid without severe
sacrifice. Puerto Rico is swimming in debt that can not be paid after
years of socialist policies and negative spending.





**cough** California

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 07:38 AM (ITu74)

Obama bailed them out a few years ago. However, since they are still spending like mad he must be bailing them out under the table illegally now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:42 AM (GpgJl)

540 On Drudge right now: is that lead photo Shrillery Klintoon or Zombie Helen Thomas?

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:42 AM (P8YHq)

541 Any of you thoughtcriminals who believe heterosexuality should continue to be considered normative human behavior have some serious work to do. Your relationship to the State and to the culture in general has been redefined for you.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:42 AM (YFw5T)

542 What happens to all the federal employees who 'work' at the EX-IM bank? They show up to work everyday, do nothing, and get paid?

Posted by: Khalid el Browncowski at June 29, 2015 07:43 AM (7LHHt)

543
Vic's schtick does the trick mighty quick with the flick of a Bic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:43 AM (St6BJ)

544 "I believe the RNC is in for a very big surprise in the next election cycle."

What if they had an election and no one came?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:43 AM (YFw5T)

545 So a gay pride parade in Istanbul was attacked...

Will President Gaylord Merkin Focker the Wurst bestir himself from a round of golf to say Turkey acted stupidly?


Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2015 06:28 AM (4fj37)



Prezzy Gutsy Call will say nothing. Because Muslim.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 29, 2015 07:44 AM (DiZBp)

546 542
What happens to all the federal employees who 'work' at the EX-IM bank? They show up to work everyday, do nothing, and get paid?





Posted by: Khalid el Browncowski at June 29, 2015 07:43 AM (7LHHt)


Legally they have to sit at home unpaid. But them being federal employees I doubt if that will happen despite it being a violation of law.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:44 AM (GpgJl)

547 544 "I believe the RNC is in for a very big surprise in the next election cycle."

What if they had an election and no one came?
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:43 AM (YFw5T)


Jeb or Krispy Kreosote or any other GOP shill insures me staying at home come November of 2016.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:44 AM (St6BJ)

548 What if they had an election and no one came?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:43 AM


What if "they" don't have an election and no one complains?

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:45 AM (P8YHq)

549 545 So a gay pride parade in Istanbul was attacked...

Will President Gaylord Merkin Focker the Wurst bestir himself from a round of golf to say Turkey acted stupidly?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2015 06:28 AM (4fj37)

Prezzy Gutsy Call will say nothing. Because Muslim.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 29, 2015 07:44 AM (DiZBp)


Second look at diner kebabs?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:45 AM (St6BJ)

550 In his homily yesterday, one of our priests used the term "Same-Sex Attraction" instead of homosexuality and "Same-Sex Union" instead of "Same-Sex Marriage."

The Church, apparently, will not give the gays the word "marriage."

I will do the same.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 29, 2015 07:46 AM (baR5c)

551 smeagol

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 29, 2015 07:46 AM (0O7c5)

552 First they came for the mods, but because I was not a mod, I did nothing...

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 07:46 AM (ueOgE)

553 Obama bailed them out a few years ago. However, since they are still spending like mad he must be bailing them out under the table illegally now.



What does their unfunded liabilities look like?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 07:46 AM (ITu74)

554 What if "they" don't have an election and no one complains?
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:45 AM (P8YHq)

You know, I've wondered about that. But thinking that there won't be an election is probably thoughtcrime, so of course I would never think it.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:46 AM (YFw5T)

555 I was pleased to discover at church that our congregation is planning on not participating in the sham of State Marriage under the current circumstances. Indeed, it appears that our entire denomination is considering no longer signing marriage licenses. Go LCMS!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 29, 2015 07:46 AM (rwI+c)

556 548 What if "they" don't have an election and no one complains?
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:45 AM (P8YHq)


Second look at Reichstag fire?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:47 AM (St6BJ)

557
DONER kebabs, nod diner.

Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:47 AM (St6BJ)

558 Being in the minority is cool. I can demand any fucking thing I want.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:48 AM (VcOqI)

559 One thing to keep in mind that the reason the EI bank was not renewed on time is a LOT of Republicans opposed it. So when they come back Boner is going to have to twist some arms so that those "favored" companies like GE and Boing can get their continued graft.


But as one news story I linked to a while back said, Boeing had enough promised graft already to go decades. But that raises another question, do they still get their "promised" graft if there is no longer a bank there to give it?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:48 AM (GpgJl)

560 558 Being in the minority is cool. I can demand any fucking thing I want.
Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:48 AM (VcOqI)


What happens when an overwhelming numerical majority is the minority?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:49 AM (St6BJ)

561 Second look at Reichstag fire?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:47 AM


Marinus van der Lubbe unavailable for comment.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:49 AM (P8YHq)

562 557
DONER kebabs, nod diner.

Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:47 AM (St6BJ)

NOT!!! not nod!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:50 AM (St6BJ)

563 Maet, Kitty looks a lot like Mable, one of our rescues from 15 years ago. Some ahole had thrown her from a vehicle on the outskirts of Henderson. She had one of her top canines stuck through her upper lip, and looked dead. I saw her move a little and stopped for her, postponing whatever I had planned that day. We still have her and she is a good cat. We are sorry for your loss.

Posted by: Eromero at June 29, 2015 07:50 AM (go5uR)

564 #560 It ends in violence. I can feel it.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:50 AM (VcOqI)

565 561 Marinus van der Lubbe unavailable for comment.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:49 AM (P8YHq)


Now I have to look up that name, although on quick reading I see "anus" and "lube."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:50 AM (St6BJ)

566 At the fair yesterday I didn't even consider the kabobs; I went for the kielbasa w kraut from church group instead
:-)

...if the kabob tent had a big pic of Mary & a crucifix then they'd have my business!

Posted by: Ruth at June 29, 2015 07:51 AM (oo88B)

567 @533 Congressional hearings: "All sound and 'fury', signifying nothing."

HAL, shouldn't it be something like, "These conversations can no longer serve any useful purpose?"

Posted by: Dave Bowman at June 29, 2015 07:51 AM (ueOgE)

568 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:44 AM (St6BJ)

I could probably pull the lever for Rubio or Walker, happily pull it for Cruz or Perry, but Christie or Bush? Nope.

I'll get hammered instead.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 29, 2015 07:51 AM (Zu3d9)

569 "Indeed, it appears that our entire denomination is considering no longer signing marriage licenses."

That's a reasonable response. Personally, I hope churches also begin counseling their members to forgo secular marriage altogether. Obtaining a marriage license could become a simple matter of expediency akin to how you arrange your 401K. Get a license if it puts money in your pocket, but that's the only consideration.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:52 AM (YFw5T)

570 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:50 AM (St6BJ)

It's a burning question.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 29, 2015 07:52 AM (Zu3d9)

571 555 I was pleased to discover at church that our congregation is planning on not participating in the sham of State Marriage under the current circumstances. Indeed, it appears that our entire denomination is considering no longer signing marriage licenses. Go LCMS!


Heh, makes me even happier to be an LCMSer!!

Posted by: Ruth at June 29, 2015 07:53 AM (oo88B)

572 568 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:44 AM (St6BJ)

I could probably pull the lever for Rubio or Walker, happily pull it for Cruz or Perry, but Christie or Bush? Nope.

I'll get hammered instead.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 29, 2015 07:51 AM (Zu3d9)


Walker more than likely. Rubio? I would have to get really, really drunk. Or write my name in.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:54 AM (St6BJ)

573 553 What does their unfunded liabilities look like?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 07:46 AM (ITu74)

Their unfunded liabilities are astronomical, as well as some other States and cities. However, those are not even being considered now. The problem PR has, and CA originally had was they could not pay the debt or interest on their debt. They had a bunch of bonds coming due and could not pay them off.

These types of debts are much worse that the "unfunded liabilities". These are liabilities due now or default. Default has another name too, its called bankruptcy.


They had tried to float another series of bonds to pay the old ones but had no takers. So guess what, Democrat Congress passed a bill to buy their shitty bonds at that time. I think it was somewhere around $50B. Since they lost the House that has not been possible again.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:54 AM (GpgJl)

574 @560 What happens when an overwhelming numerical majority is the minority?

You need to read Gulag Archipelago, it's all in there. Fear of the minority freezes you, and before long, it's the camps.

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 07:54 AM (ueOgE)

575 Being in the minority is cool. I can demand any fucking thing I want.


Posted by: HAL 9000 at June 29, 2015 07:48 AM (VcOqI)


As long as you're part of a group think group

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 29, 2015 07:57 AM (DiZBp)

576
Not sure if this was mentioned but the second prison escapee was shot and captured by the Canadian border.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:57 AM (St6BJ)

577 My giant Gadsden flag went up in the picture window again this weekend. Damn, it looks good.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 07:57 AM (YFw5T)

578 Walker more than likely. Rubio? I would have to get really, really drunk. Or write my name in.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:54 AM


As election time draws closer, I am more and more convinced that I will, once again, feel morally compelled to write in Vermin Supreme.

He's a lib, true, but his platform calls for good dental hygiene and a pony for every child. And he lives only a mile or so from me. And I have a "Vermin Supreme" t-shirt....

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:57 AM (P8YHq)

579 576


Not sure if this was mentioned but the second prison escapee was shot and captured by the Canadian border.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:57 AM (St6BJ)

I had it in the links above,

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:58 AM (GpgJl)

580 574 You need to read Gulag Archipelago, it's all in there. Fear of the minority freezes you, and before long, it's the camps.
Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 07:54 AM (ueOgE)


Read it long ago.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:58 AM (St6BJ)

581 579 I had it in the links above,
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 07:58 AM (GpgJl)


Of course. Should've known.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 07:58 AM (St6BJ)

582 578 He's a lib, true, but his platform calls for good dental hygiene and a pony for every child. And he lives only a mile or so from me. And I have a "Vermin Supreme" t-shirt....
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 29, 2015 07:57 AM (P8YHq)


I had vermin supreme for dinner, with fava beans and chi-aaaan-tee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 29, 2015 08:00 AM (St6BJ)

583 574
@560 What happens when an overwhelming numerical majority is the minority?



You need to read Gulag Archipelago, it's all in there. Fear of the minority freezes you, and before long, it's the camps.



Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 07:54 AM (ueOgE)


There is a big difference between Russia and the US. Here that overwhelming majority has guns. And THAT is the reason for the second amendment.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 08:00 AM (GpgJl)

584 Go LCMS!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 29, 2015 07:46 AM (rwI+c)

Yep, based on what we heard Sunday, they are not going to perform state marriages. At least that is what is going to be proposed at the synodical convention. I figure it will pass.

On the other hand, they see this as only delaying the inevitable. The gov't is on the path of forcing churches to perform homosexual "marriages" and those that don't are going to face the consequences.

The fact that the synod president posted the quote from the Lutheran in Germany from 1932 about illegitimate ruling authorities tells me they don't like where this is heading. The LCMS is very follow the law whenever possible and talking about the gov't being a superior power but not ruling authority speaks volumes to their thinking.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 29, 2015 08:00 AM (nRvEn)

585 Ack, 6am and already 75 out.

Posted by: Infidel at June 29, 2015 08:01 AM (2LVOe)

586 And the reason we're trying so hard to get rid of it!


There is a big difference between Russia and the US.
Here that overwhelming majority has guns. And THAT is the reason for
the second amendment.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 08:00 AM (GpgJl)

Posted by: Communist Par, I mean Democrat Party at June 29, 2015 08:01 AM (fVOPU)

587 We are a country of 8 year olds...fuck it dude let's go bowling.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at June 29, 2015 08:03 AM (D0NZx)

588 The gov't is on the path of forcing churches to perform homosexual
"marriages" and those that don't are going to face the consequences.


Churches will be declared 'public accommodations' and forced to comply.

That will be the next battle.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 08:05 AM (oVJmc)

589 588 Churches will be declared 'public accommodations' and forced to comply.

That will be the next battle.




Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 08:05 AM (oVJmc)

Churches could very easily be converted to private clubs, because in reality, that is what they are.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 08:06 AM (GpgJl)

590 Churches will be declared 'public accommodations' and forced to comply.

That will be the next battle.




Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 08:05 AM (oVJmc)


But but but Comrade Chairman Barry is such a good Christian

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 29, 2015 08:06 AM (DiZBp)

591 And all they have to do to fight the tax BS is to get rid of the huge mega-buildings and hold open air prayer meetings:


Mathew 18:20


For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 08:09 AM (GpgJl)

592 "I believe that marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. I have had occasion in my life to defend marriage, to stand up for marriage, to believe in the hard work and challenge of marriage. So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that exists between a man and a woman, going back into the mists of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults."

Posted by: Hillary Clinton, Your Next President at June 29, 2015 08:09 AM (YFw5T)

593 Ben up

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 08:10 AM (GpgJl)

594 I think if any LCMS congregation performed homosex marriages they'd be throw out of the synod, no? Of course the ELCA would welcome them with open arms. But we are pretty steadfast on the issue. One reason I love this particular church body.

Posted by: Lizabth at June 29, 2015 08:10 AM (Qeh6Q)

595 588 The gov't is on the path of forcing churches to perform homosexual
"marriages" and those that don't are going to face the consequences.

Churches will be declared 'public accommodations' and forced to comply.

That will be the next battle.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 08:05 AM (oVJmc)

************
Ours has begun several small-group, home-based ministries. Unreal, but yeah, the church is about to go underground.

Posted by: A person of no import at June 29, 2015 08:12 AM (yxw0r)

596 continuing church debate on next thread.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 08:16 AM (GpgJl)

597 What the GOP could be doing:
Bill defining expectation of privacy in the digital age-stops spying on patriotic white people
Bill adding Christians to "protected class"
Bill eliminating "deep pockets" legal doctrine
Bill eliminating "disparate impact" legal doctrine
Bill providing criminal penalties for government employees who participate in collecting gun purchase/ownership records, who illegally share IRS data.
Bill reenacting the independent council.
Impeachment hearings for the most asinine judges.
Bill protecting the rights of private parties religious freedom, criminlaizes government employees who violate.
Bill making the facilitation of, or consperacy to commit election fraud (including registration fraud) of more than 5 people/votes, regardless of intent, a serious felony.

Or they can suck on whatever Obama and the left whip out, which would be the status quo.

Posted by: Smarty at June 29, 2015 10:13 AM (aZ9MX)

598 I'm so sorry to hear about your cat. I'm glad you had several good years with Kitty before it was time.

On the other side, I'm starting to think a second Civil War will be a best-case scenario.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (Wqv3y)

599 Katie Pavlich is blowing up like a g@ddamn balloon. I hate the 'Hottest Conservative' lists. At least someone had the good sense to keep Coulter on the sidelines Maybe next year the list can retire Malkin as well.

Posted by: joefl65 at June 29, 2015 02:34 PM (UFV5W)

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