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Senate Passes USA Freedom Act to Replace Expired Patriot Act
Obama says he'll sign the bill.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress approved sweeping changes Tuesday to surveillance laws enacted after the Sept. 11 attacks, eliminating the National Security Agency's disputed bulk phone-records collection program and replacing it with a more restrictive measure to keep the records in phone companies' hands. ... The legislation will revive most of the programs the Senate had allowed to lapse in a dizzying collision of presidential politics and national security policy. But the authorization will undergo major changes, the legacy of agency contractor Edward Snowden's explosive revelations two years ago about domestic spying by the government.The Senate passed USA Freedom over McConnell's objections. He sought to formally pass the Patriot Act, explicitly gifting the government the broad metadata collection powers it previously just assumed.
"This is a step in the wrong direction," a frustrated McConnell said on the Senate floor ahead of the Senate's final vote to approve the House version, dubbed the USA Freedom Act. He said the legislation "does not enhance the privacy protections of American citizens. And it surely undermines American security by taking one more tool form our warfighters at exactly the wrong time." ... It would also continue other post-9/11 surveillance provisions that lapsed Sunday night, and which are considered more effective than the phone-data collection program. These include the FBI's authority to gather business records in terrorism and espionage investigations and to more easily eavesdrop on suspects who are discarding cellphones to avoid surveillance.Many are unimpressed by the reforms contained in this bill.
The bill, the USA FREEDOM Act, manages to have a more ridiculous acronym than the PATRIOT Act and includes a few measures to strengthen the intelligence community’s ability to track terror suspects (for instance, it eases the transition between tracking them within the U.S. and abroad, activities that require different legal approval). Some privacy advocates thought the bill didn’t go nearly far enough -- it will still allow broad requests for metadata, just not as broad or as easily as under the original Patriot Act -- but some hawkish legislators (and NR’s editors) argued that the replacement program will be less effective without doing anything important for civil liberties.Meanwhile, the AP is reporting the FBI is running surveillance flights from "front companies," though this seems to be ginned up nonsense to me.
ASHINGTON (AP) -- Scores of low-flying planes circling American cities are part of a civilian air force operated by the FBI and obscured behind fictitious companies, The Associated Press has learned. The AP traced at least 50 aircraft back to the FBI, and identified more than 100 flights in 11 states over a 30-day period since late April, orbiting both major cities and rural areas. At least 115 planes, including 90 Cessna aircraft, were mentioned in a federal budget document from 2009. For decades, the planes have provided support to FBI surveillance operations on the ground. But now the aircraft are equipped with high-tech cameras, and in rare circumstances, technology capable of tracking thousands of cellphones, raising questions about how these surveillance flights affect Americans' privacy.See, this is what I mean by ginned-up nonsense. In rare occasions, they may be equipped with equipment capable of this. What am I supposed to do with that? It seems to me any time you have a surveillance flight, you might want to do some electromagnetic spectrum monitoring on your target. Now I suppose that you could just start scanning everyone in the area. I don't know. Some people seem less interested in protecting civil liberties than in protecting criminals from detection and prosecution. I suppose this is a reasonable thing to do if you imagine the government will declare you a criminal at some point in the future. A bit paranoid of a fear, but... not as paranoid a fear as it should be. Even conceding, arguendo, the government might actually turn technology against citizens it brands Political Outlaws at some point in the future, are we to just give terrorists a free hand in the meanwhile? The "front companies" thing seems like hyped-up nonsense to me, too. You would not want these planes marked FBI, or have them known to be FBI planes. This is the same idea of the FBI working out of vans marked "Imogene's Flowers" when they're doing surveillance. Do we get worked up about that? Is it just hair-pulling-out time as a general thing? I just don't see the story here.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:25 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:26 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:26 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:27 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:27 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:28 PM (evdj2)
Which is zero.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:28 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:28 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Turing at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Null at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: citizen khan at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (FY9QZ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:26 PM (F2IAQ)
Wight hewe, big boy!
Posted by: Barney Frank at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM
Bob's Discount Skydiving
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (ecDRv)
Bruce Jenner: My Marriage Broke Up Chiefly Because My Wife Wasn't Very Nice, and Not So Much Because I Got My Penis Surgically Removed and Replaced With a Fake Vagina
Translation: It's not abut the nail.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Gustav at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage
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Possible thread winner
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (F2IAQ)
This is bullshit.
It's a horse of a different goddam color.
You know how I know it's awful? You told me obama will sign it.
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at June 02, 2015 05:32 PM (7gCCJ)
I think that's as infallible rule of thumb as there is. Second only to if McCain is furr it, I'm aggin it.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:32 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH)
--Did Steve eat a burrito on the plane?
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:32 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: The Chicken at June 02, 2015 05:33 PM (eOpVe)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:33 PM (zRby/)
You hear how obama's FBI shot dead an unarmed non-caucasian today? I have to wonder if they were white agents. Supposedly he had terrorist ties and supposedly had a knife.
Probably all lies.
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at June 02, 2015 05:33 PM (7gCCJ)
Posted by: Furious George at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (XUKZU)
There's probably something else in that's just as bad as what it replaced. Those bastards don't take a shit without a plan.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (0HooB)
What protests have there been in Minneapolis?
and only very rarely does the FBI do phone surveillance, almost never do black bag jobs, and are now trained to not leave tape holding door latches unlike the inept CIA contract burglars at the Watergate.
Very rarely. Trust US, we don't read other people's mail nor listen to their phone calls. Other than one or two times with the mafia. Very rarely, it is just too expensive and takes too much manpower as you can see in the latest news from Boston. It takes a very large crew to keep surveillance on just one man for two years. So the FBI doesn't do it often.
Posted by: Gerald Yltra at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (no/Fn)
Posted by: the FBI at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (xsnUW)
Posted by: Ned Niederlander at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (2Ojst)
Ostensibly, metadata will now be collected and retained by the communications companies rather than directly by the government. The government can then request to see it from the companies if deemed necessary.
As somebody else already said, the government will probably continue in some fashion.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Zero Wing at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (eOpVe)
Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: FBI Plane Bumpersticker at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (/1eYH)
I would think aircraft with cameras would be very helpful in securing these very large locations
Posted by: Thunderb at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (zOTsN)
"Bill to limit domestic spy programs passes U.S. Congress"
Posted by: Lena Dunhams Uncircumcised Vulva at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (mKi9t)
WWI planes were used for observation only at the beginning of the war.
Then things escalated.
I'm waiting for someone to come up with a civilian pursuit interceptor drone.
Arm it with a pellet gun.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (zRby/)
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Speaking of terrorists ties, didja see that the Coke can Muslim had ties to the Muslims Brotherhood and posted about them on her Facebook? It's all scrubbed now.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (LA7Cm)
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Mostly, Bakers, Florists, jewelers, and cops.
Because, priorities.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (F2IAQ)
The 9/11 hijackers were known, Nidal Hassan was known, the Shoe Bomber was known, the Tanarevs were known.
THEY DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM!
Because they are incompetent fools who rather than looking at the Jihadis waltzing right under their noses they are fapping to the idea of catching the next Timothy McVeigh.
Posted by: Kreplach at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (lPu4P)
Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (xWW96)
We are in good hands. Obama only wants what is best for US.
Posted by: Gerald Yltra at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (no/Fn)
Posted by: Dusty Bottoms at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (/1eYH)
Posted by: Frank Underwood (D-SC) at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (hxTXe)
I did see one armed with a gun on some TV show. It was a handgun installed to fire straight down but I don't remember what the purpose was.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (LA7Cm)
Bumper sticker I saw today; somebody tell me what it means, please:
"I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."
-- Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (7gCCJ)
Wasn't that long ago that the Mall of America was supposedly an ISIS target and there are a shitload of Muslims in Minnesota and a recent poll of them said that they would prefer to live under Sharia.
So they are probably watching a bunch of Lutherans.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (g1DWB)
Yeah, but I don't see any balls.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (LA7Cm)<<<
Oh, then that's not FBI, that's ours.
Posted by: the GOPe at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (xsnUW)
Patriot Act == Treasonous Spy Empowerment
US Freedom Act == Enslavement and Control of Citizens Act.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:38 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:38 PM (nFdGS)
-- Abraham Lincoln"
I don't know wtf that means.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:38 PM (LA7Cm)
Classified programs are not monitored for the 'buddy contract' problem... unless someone on the inside wants to get someone (see Dick Marchinko)....
Its the same deal as the bulk collection of emails... where insiders are looking up dirt on girlfriends NOT really using it to find bad guys (according to their own IG)....
We really have no idea WHAT the Government is using this for.... where the data is going... what these planes are looking for...
And our Government has PROOVEN itself untrustworthy... (look at the illegal CIA op in Benghazi that ran guns to Syria, which the GOPe KNEW about... )... or look at giving guns to Mexican drug Lords.... or.. hell.... I can go on all damn day.
IMO ANY power the Government takes for itself, will eventually be abused (look at the current crap with the IRS!, or EPA, or OSHA)
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (qh617)
Posted by: JackStraw
That lutefisk is a known biological weapon.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (tgnRB)
"Obama says he'll sign the bill."
....................................................
Ohhhhh, gracious god! Thank you so much! Oh! (gasping for air)
Posted by: Julio Osequeda at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (LA7Cm)
Yeah, I'm too tired to suss out it's meaning.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (7gCCJ)
Not to mention not wanting to jeopardize their sweet pensions.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (OsWis)
Yeah, but I don't see any balls.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM
They're hanging from the tailwheel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (h4vJk)
I think context would be helpful, but all I have is the quote.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (7gCCJ)
-- Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (7gCCJ)
Any religion that allows animal cruelty (perceived or real) is not worthy of the bumper sticker applier.
That, or "Kick me!"
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (ecDRv)
http://goo.gl/BrmypL
Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (xWW96)
Maddogg, you have redeemed yourself, at least temporarily.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Optimizer at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (/q6+P)
Patriot Act == Treasonous Spy Empowerment
US Freedom Act == Enslavement and Control of Citizens Act.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (zRby/)
Yep.... a Judge just squashed parts of the Pat Act.... so they had to pass another bill.... so anything they are doing will have to go BACK through the Court system...
So they have Carte Blanche for the next couple of years...
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (qh617)
It's a fake quote from Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol II.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (evdj2)
Aw ... fuck it. Sometimes I just shrug and let my kids learn the hard way ... and I have a hell of a lot more vested interest in them than you.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (C57zR)
Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (2x3L+)
To what religion was Lincoln referring?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (7gCCJ)
Caller on a local radio said something to the effect "that at this point he'd rather fight the terrorists than his own government for his civil rights."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (h4vJk)
*****
Those Trucknutz are pretty adaptable.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (sdPF/)
Posted by: Kreplach at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (lPu4P)
--Well put.
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Dennis Hastert at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (xsnUW)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (et+T8)
Posted by: Thunderb at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (zOTsN)
They accessed it what 300 times?
just fuckin profile terrorists, like moslem men between 15 and 45 and their fellow traveler women
Posted by: Just spit-balling here at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (D0Tns)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (evdj2)
The events of the last 6-8 years have permanently disabused me of that notion in toto.
And no, I have no short or medium term solutions, because the only real one is long term--and we may not have that luxury, either.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (DT3rQ)
TFG's gonna sign it? It can't be good, then.
.................................................
And he'll do it with that weird crooked bent left wrist motion that irritates me so.
Posted by: wth at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (nFdGS)
against citizens it brands Political Outlaws at some point in the
future, are we to just give terrorists a free hand in the meanwhile?"***
As I have learned right here at this very AoSHQ, all this technology has done precisely squat to improve security against terrorism. All of the failed terror attacks in the US since 2001 have been the result of terrorist incompetence than enhanced intelligence.
Our entire government and history as a nationa is predicated upon mistrust of government power for well-documented, historical reasons. Current events only reinforce that philosophy.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (xSCb6)
"I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."
-- Abraham Lincoln
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I'm still trying to figure out four score and seven.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (uJK1E)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (7gCCJ)
- Ace
Has not most,if not all, here been declared a potential terrorist by the DOJ?
Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (48QDY)
""I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."
-- Abraham Lincoln"
It means Islam sucks.
Posted by: kathysaysso at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (fMQoG)
rather than looking at the Jihadis waltzing
right under their noses they are fapping to
the idea of catching the next Timothy
McVeigh.
By frisking nuns.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (et+T8)
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (FGst3)
It's largely a put on for public consumption and a government jobs program.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (LA7Cm)
Are we are really suggesting Lincoln never said it?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (7gCCJ)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol I at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (2x3L+)
Hey!
Posted by: Imogene Heap at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (48QDY)
DHS, I think, but yes we have. All those wacky people talking about "constitutional rights" and "the second amendment." You know, real radical subversive stuff.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (evdj2)
Again this argument is a perversion of the idea that we the people don't have to give reasons why the government can't do it.
It's incumbent upon the government to demonstrate a persuasive need.
We are at the point in our Republic where the government does whatever it wants. And the technocratic bureaucrat and pols become incensed that citizens complain that the citizens weren't consulted, don't want the programs, and demand proof that they are needed.
Further, that which is done by a government in secret will become corrupt and criminal. Always. 100%.
The only way we will know of corruption and crime committed under the color of these programs is if whistleblowers break laws, people like Snowden. You know, traitorous kill-im-now! Snowden.
Not even close to the concept of a just and responsible government.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (uctT+)
- Shit Abraham Lincoln might've said -
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Badger at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (FGst3)
Okay, he might have said that one.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Brian Williams at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (D0Tns)
Has anyone ever seen bird genitalia? I thoutht you had to look at the feathers.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (LA7Cm)
When a terrorist shows up and monitors my email, or phone calls.... I'll start to worry.
When a Terrorist can control what I can do with my property.... or FORCE me to buy a commercial product... I'll get concerned...
When a Terrorist takes half my damn money, and gives it away to other people.... then I'll get really angry at them....
But I don't see Terrorists limiting my Freedom, or taking my shit.... I see the US Government doing it.
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (qh617)
-Abraham Lincoln on George McClellan
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (tgnRB)
Oh is this some hoax everyone knows about except for me? I never saw this quote before today.
Is there hijinx going on here??
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (7gCCJ)
you climate change denying bastards will feel our wrath
Posted by: X at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (xGNLA)
On the last portion of your post--Ed Morissey has the posit that because they were seen flying over Ferguson and Baltimore that somehow that would not be related to terrorism.
Well do you remember those French articles you linked to awhile back ( I think maybe it was Le Monde) a terrorist group was trying to recruit people to blend with the protesters and to target the environment.
I can't remember what terrorist organization it was-- but it might have been that JV team we've been grossly underestimating ever since.
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (RJMhd)
it wants. And the technocratic bureaucrat and pols become incensed that
citizens complain that the citizens weren't consulted, don't want the
programs, and demand proof that they are needed.
We have a government of Col. Jessups.
Posted by: Aviator at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: Lauren at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (YBZmM)
No. Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (LA7Cm)
- Brian Williams
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (XUKZU)
To what religion was Lincoln referring?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (7gCCJ)
Whether attributable or not, "religion" probably refers generally to a system of beliefs, not to any particular organized or nameable religion. The Animal Liberation Front likes it, so probably fake and self-flagellating.
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (8ZskC)
Imogene, what a name.
Posted by: L, Elle
Hey!
Posted by: Imogene Heap
What she said!
-Aunt Edna (aka Imogene Coco)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (et+T8)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (2x3L+)
Cops and other assorted supposed crime stoppers don't like pursuing criminals. The carry guns and shoot back.
They'd much prefer to beat up and shoot innocent civilians (at least innocent of violent crime) and kill their pets and steal their stuff.
Because the have a right to rip you off and go home just like the criminals do.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Garrett at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (/1eYH)
Surely the "Patriot" Act wouldn't have been allowed to expire if they didn't have an equivalent replacement with an equally nefarious name and a guaranteed vote count.
Posted by: Lena Dunhams Uncircumcised Vulva at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (mKi9t)
US Freedom Act == Enslavement and Control of Citizens Act.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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Next, you will tell me that the Civil Rights Act is not about civil rights.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Kanye West-Jenner at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (F1Z8f)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Necro Rapey Mallard at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (/1eYH)
Looking at the "no" votes, it's the Rand wing combined with the hawks.
I just have to trust Lee's judgment on this. Being on the "same side" of Obama is not a useful standard. After all, Reid and Obama were on opposite sides on the "fast track" bill.
Meanwhile, the Smithsonian channel is running their 9/11 documentary. I stumbled onto it just as they were describing (and showing) the 200 "jumpers" who fled the fires in the WTC.
It's useful to be reminded about how high the stakes are -- not in terms of preventing attacks but in terms of having leaders in place who can put country first and act decisively.
Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (RWGcK)
Posted by: Just spit-balling here at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (D0Tns)
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You monster! How can you oppose healthy, hunger free kids?
Posted by: Lauren at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (YBZmM)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Canadian Goose at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Rapey Mallard at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (/1eYH)
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
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You haven't been paying attention, have you?
Posted by: The Chicken at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (F2IAQ)
When I married her, Mary Todd had the ass of a 10 year old boy.
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol I at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (evdj2)
And titties that would make you stand up and beg for buttermilk.
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol II at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:52 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:52 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: A Bird Pimp at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (8ZskC)
True that, but if she had a seizure at the right moment it was a hell of a ride.
Posted by: A. Lincoln at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: Cock Sucking RINO at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (5buP8)
You have to look under the feathers, and it is an official position with a title and duties and everything at hatcheries; 'sexer'. You have to look under the feathers at every baby chicken to see if it has an innie or an outie. The outies go in a 5gal pail, and some lucky, part time high school kid has to smush all the outie chicks.
No, I have never seen bird genitalia, I was the smusher, for minimum wage, for a few days. Possibility for advancement was very slight. You had to wait for someone to die before there was a job opening.
Posted by: Gerald Yltra at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (no/Fn)
- shit Abe "Honestly I'm Honest" Lincoln -
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (mGBKM)
Oh, it's a scene.
Posted by: Necro Rapey Mallard at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (/1eYH)
That's dessspicable....
Posted by: Daffy Duck at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (qh617)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (g1DWB)
You got an Alabama Duck License?
Posted by: State Trooper at June 02, 2015 05:54 PM (/1eYH)
Posted by: dogfish at June 02, 2015 05:54 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM
Big tourist attraction in North Carolina.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:54 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2015 05:55 PM (kLAQB)
http://tinyurl.com/ylxnwhf
Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (g1DWB)
Shit! The metric system. Why didn't I think of that years ago?!
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:55 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:55 PM (2x3L+)
Chopped up, pureed and then molded, battered and fried.
Yum Yum
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:55 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: The Piano Player in a Whorehouse at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (8ZskC)
The Senate passed USA Freedom over McConnell's objections. He sought to formally pass the Patriot Act....
The USA Freedom Act!!! is the Patriot Act. It explicitly renews the Patriot Act thru the end of 2017, but modifies the nuances of the NSA data vacuum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act
Still bad, just not as absolutely bad as the Patriot Act. I hereby denounce myself for hating America and wanting the terrorists to win.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: female pussy at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (RWGcK)
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (zoehZ)
--I hate backronyms like PATRIOT Act.
Posted by: Badger at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (9HoBs)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (/1eYH)
Posted by: Shit Lincoln Possibly Might Have Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (xsnUW)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (8ZskC)
Those are pretty close to my sentiments.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (GpgJl)
A. Lincoln, Address Before the Wisconsin State Agricultural Society, Milwaukee, Wisconsin (September 30, 1859)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (F2IAQ)
Not about yours, cracker!
Posted by: Unindicted Felon, Eric Holder at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Chicken-sexers Local 101 at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Garrett at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (/1eYH)
Say, we don't get many ostriches in here.
Posted by: The Piano Player in a Whorehouse
So the ostrich tells the guy, "help me find my car keys and I'll drive us out of here."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 05:58 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:58 PM (LA7Cm)
Then he pulled his head and other appendages into his shell and spun around.
Posted by: Aviator at June 02, 2015 05:58 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: Abe at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: The Ostrich at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (evdj2)
One look at her portrait and you know "this is an evil bitch".
but then Abe was probably a bird toucher or something.
Those farm boys had to find their own fun. If you know what I mean.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (et+T8)
They sure screwed up the sequence on that bill.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (8ZskC)
WE DO NOT NEED A LARGER MORE POWERFUL GOVERNMENT TO KEEP US SAFE.
We never did.
Posted by: Kreplach at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (lPu4P)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (9HoBs)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (et+T8)
Posted by: A. Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (8rRE+)
Posted by: dogfish at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (jWtyG)
Booth was framed.
- shit Abe "I'm tall so fcuk y'all" Lincoln might've said -
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (zRby/)
federal governments role in allowing it to happen in the first place and
to create the false impression that what was needed were more "tools"
and a larger coordinating beuracracy to keep us safe.<<<
**eyes dart rapidly left and right**
**starts to whistle**
**runs out of room**
Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (xsnUW)
116
Oh is this some hoax everyone knows about except for me? I never saw this quote before today.
Is there hijinx going on here??
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (7gCCJ)
--Lincoln, Mark Twain and Winston Churchill are probably the three most misquoted people nowadays.
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Cock Sucking RINO at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Chris Balsz
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Whisky Rebellion?
Now there's a lost cause that merits a holiday.
Posted by: Abe at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
They always try to claim historical figures to validate themselves, the latest being Churchill. Although provably gay or bi historical figures, like Ernst Rohm, they don't wanna claim for some reason.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (tgnRB)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (iQIUe)
Watching eight-legged Chinese chicken sex might be kind of interesting.
Posted by: wth at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (9HoBs)
So that's a clue.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (8rRE+)
Posted by: Eromero at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (go5uR)
Sons.
Posted by: Cock Sucking RINO
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Yeah, but Todd scored well with his dad's railroad interests.
Posted by: Abe at June 02, 2015 06:04 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 06:04 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:04 PM (tgnRB)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 06:04 PM (evdj2)
I read this as "I'd rather see kitten gifs than read about Huckabee"
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (8rRE+)
Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (5buP8)
Missing Penn track star, 20, found dead in the Hudson River after getting hooked on male genital pills
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: wth at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (tgnRB)
--Churchill, a homo?
Now I think they're just having a laugh.
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 06:06 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 06:06 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 06:07 PM (zRby/)
the Hudson River after getting hooked on
male genital pills
Ate a medicine bottle of dicks?
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 06:07 PM (et+T8)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 06:07 PM (g1DWB)
- Lincoln's final words before being assassinated.
Posted by: wooga at June 02, 2015 06:08 PM (SOXWO)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 02, 2015 06:08 PM (5buP8)
Now I think they're just having a laugh.
Posted by: logprof
There was an ONT link a few nights ago. Some historian/butt secks enthusiast is making that claim.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:08 PM (tgnRB)
------------
Episcopal Bishop John Spong: "The Apostle Paul was a frustrated homosexual."
Episcopal Bishop John Spong: "Why are people fleeing our church as though it is a stinking sinkhole of SJW's?"
Posted by: Abe at June 02, 2015 06:09 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM
"Caitlyn will you marry me?"
Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.
Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed) at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Joe the Biden at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Shit Lincoln Said, Vol I (or maybe a line from Blade, but who can really tell) at June 02, 2015 06:11 PM (xsnUW)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.
Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed)
Now you guys are making me paranoid about the Flowers By Isaac van parked outside my house.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:12 PM (tgnRB)
Wonder if we'll be back permanently at Cam Rahn Bay too.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 02, 2015 06:12 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:12 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.
Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed) at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (amQXf)
Nah....
Posted by: Flying Tigers Airlines at June 02, 2015 06:12 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:13 PM (evdj2)
https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=8IiPin53Ax8
Welcome back from the Barrel BB
Posted by: DaveA at June 02, 2015 06:13 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Hillarrhoids at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (mGBKM)
Posted by: Agent driving the Flowers by Issac van at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (7gCCJ)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.
Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed) at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (amQXf)
Nah....
Posted by: Flying Tigers Airlines
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Amateurs
Posted by: Air America at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (9HoBs)
Obligatory:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNFokmDKrE
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: bill-o at June 02, 2015 06:15 PM (nE/OV)
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:15 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 06:15 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:15 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Han "Abe Lincoln" Solo at June 02, 2015 06:16 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:16 PM (ecDRv)
. FBI, is there nothing they can't do?Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at June 02, 2015 06:17 PM (yTMXB)
Posted by: A book critic at June 02, 2015 06:17 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:17 PM (evdj2)
Le Figaro was reporting that security heightened at US media locations.
minx.cc:1080/?post=352434
That's the thread.
At comment 166 there was a yahoo news link to a Las Vegas news source that linked to "vocative " which was reporting that ISIS was trying to recruit and take advantage of "angry blacks" at , and around Ferguson .
The title of these terrorist boards was --"Pipe Bomb America".
So Baltimore and Ferguson fall very much under those parameters. As does Anaheim--Disney Land, and the Mall of America.
Don't blame Ed for not making the connection however--because it's not getting reported.
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:18 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Arnold Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:18 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:18 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.
Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed) at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (amQXf)
Nah....
Posted by: Flying Tigers Airlines
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Amateurs
Posted by: Air America at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (F2IAQ)
Go get me some scotch.... trash haulers...
Posted by: Pappy Boyington flying for the AVG at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (7gCCJ)
TFG's gonna sign it? It can't be good, then.
you wonder why the republicans signed off on that ridiculous compromise on obama's iran deal? fast track on the trade deal and this thats why.obama was ready to sign off on extending the bulk data collection too don't forget
Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Arnold Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:20 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:20 PM (8ZskC)
Oh noes not a scary gun!
And yes, he actually was an out of uniform cop, but that doesn't stop the libs for handwringing about a gun in a gun free zone.
Posted by: Lauren at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (YBZmM)
Posted by: Wa Ching Yu, LLC at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (amQXf)
"Liquor in the front; liquor in the rear."
- Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln's Second Inaugural Celebration
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (7gCCJ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (9HoBs)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (YFFpo)
Just naturally assume that it is the exact opposite of that whatever they call it.
Fuckin lying pricks.
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (VNgld)
Posted by: Mel Gibson at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (F1Z8f)
Posted by: Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Mel Gibson at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (F1Z8f)
You're going to want those cell phones jammed--and some of the other capabilities that can be used over those areas.
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Arnold Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (wAQA5)
You'll see my smile looks out of place
If you look closer, it's easy to trace
The tracks of my tears
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:23 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Wa Ching Yu, LLC
How did they get wise to us?
Posted by: Wi Tu Lo at June 02, 2015 06:23 PM (tgnRB)
handwringing about a gun in a gun free zone.
since when is foul territory gun free? its not left field after all
Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:23 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:24 PM (F1Z8f)
No. No chance. Nope. Not at all. Well, maybe. But nothing is actually *mounted* on the planes. Probably not.
Posted by: "Waco" Jim Cavanaugh, FBI at June 02, 2015 06:24 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:24 PM (9HoBs)
You don't get it...
A Federal Judge, after YEARS of litigation, was finally about to put a stop to the program.
Now??? My guess is they continue to do it under some interpretation of the NEW Law.... which means it will take at least a couple more years to get some Judge to stop it again.....
Not saying I am cynical about Washington.... but...
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (qh617)
god must love assholes because he made so many of them
Posted by: stuff lincoln sort of said at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (lKyWE)
http://tinyurl.com/oc3uzrc
Posted by: DaveA at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)
http://tinyurl.com/46eak55
Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.
Abraham Lincoln
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At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: A book critic at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (8ZskC)
Does that include razor wire? I actually like the neighborhood kids.
Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:26 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 06:26 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:27 PM (lKyWE)
Now this is the plan: get your ass to Mars!
Posted by: Arnold Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:27 PM (wAQA5)
expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us.
It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves
be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live
through all time, or die by suicide.
Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: A book critic at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (F2IAQ)
Said the guy who was sprung upon.
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:27 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: donna at June 02, 2015 06:28 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at June 02, 2015 06:29 PM (2mJMN)
Yeah, but I don't see any balls.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (LA7Cm)
Of course not - it's a Curtiss JN-4 Jenner
Posted by: Gonna need to know your planes to get that one at June 02, 2015 06:29 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)
Can WalMart sick armed Men on you? Can WalMart throw you in Jail? Can WalMart take your Property? Can WalMart take your Right to bear Arms?
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:30 PM (qh617)
Posted by: a different book critic at June 02, 2015 06:30 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (8ZskC)
I like "Liberty Tax Service". Because the federal income tax is all about liberty.
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2015 06:31 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 06:31 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:31 PM (7gCCJ)
Posted by: See, I do know my planes at June 02, 2015 06:31 PM (LA7Cm)
True story - the WalMart parking lot camera identified the yoots who stole my wife's purse. But not before we cancelled all our credit cards and checing account.
Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:32 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: Myiq2xu at June 02, 2015 06:32 PM (5fSr7)
You'll see my smile looks out of place
If you look closer, it's easy to trace
The tracks of my tears
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:23 PM (8ZskC)
So take a good look at my brainIt seems to be under some strainIf you probe deeper, it's easy to traceThe track of Booth's ball.
Posted by: What Lincoln actually said at June 02, 2015 06:33 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Understand the latin, not the phrase at June 02, 2015 06:33 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: zombie abraham lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:33 PM (kivUY)
You may have heard Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) isn't running for president. We have some news for you - as of today, she's still not running. And her most vocal supporters are finally ready to stop asking.
Run Warren Run, a draft Warren organization run by Democracy for America and MoveOn.org, has spent the last six months calling on the Massachusetts senator to make a White House bid. On Monday, the group will officially throw in the towel after delivering a petition containing 365,000 signatures to Warren's office on Capitol Hill, the group announced Tuesday.
Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 06:34 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 06:35 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: A. Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:35 PM (W5DcG)
http://tinyurl.com/oxfu44h
Ok... so maybe you will believe that this asshole is capable of anything.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 02, 2015 06:35 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (8rRE+)
There were no income taxes. The Feds had a huge debt from the civil war with Brits.
The direct taxes were to be 'apportioned' to the states the wiskey tax was not directly apportioned.
Posted by: Free the nipples San Diego State University at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (9HoBs)
I think a lot of portraits of people in the period of early photography make them look mean. They had to hold themselves in positions for a long time. It does not make for a comfortable pose or facial expression.
No, I'm sorry, that's a misconception. People really were assholes in those days.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (8uhgy)
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: zombie john wilkes boothe at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (kivUY)
Continuing that great CNN journalistic tradition
Weasel Zippers
G-D one is stupider than the next and they actually beat us? Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 02, 2015 06:37 PM (Brjj7)
You do realize that I personally whacked out just about every single person and animal other than a single ark-load, right?
Posted by: Yahweh/Jehovah at June 02, 2015 06:37 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (9HoBs)
Ya mean how RFK tried to jump over Eugene Mccarthy? It's the Democratic way
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:37 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:38 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:38 PM (JoIcn)
Holy cripes WalMart might have even better security than I thought.
Sorry that happened to your wife.
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:39 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:39 PM (JoIcn)
Bizarre world.
Posted by: MTF at June 02, 2015 06:40 PM (DkJ4E)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:38 PM (JoIcn)
Copycat!
Posted by: Comment #274 at June 02, 2015 06:40 PM (FGst3)
Oh, groovy; Is it time for the Atheist/Theist slugfest?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:40 PM (9HoBs)
If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster.
Posted by: Clint Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:40 PM (wAQA5)
Because we all know the Devil is in the details....
Because it sounds like companies have to store this information FOR the Government.... does the Government then have a portal into their databases??
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (qh617)
Posted by: MTF
This should be good. What's the punchline?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (tgnRB)
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 06:42 PM (qSIlh)
A lot of those people were actually dead. There was a fad to get pictures of recently deceased loved ones in a "lifelike" pose.
Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:42 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: Clint Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:43 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:43 PM (F1Z8f)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:44 PM (ecDRv)
- Shit Abraham Lincoln might've said -"
"'Our American Cousin' is a laugh riot. They just killed last night!"
Posted by: The Theatre Review, April 15, 1865 at June 02, 2015 06:44 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (7gCCJ)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (JoIcn)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (tgnRB)
=======================
Us, I think.
Posted by: MTF at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (DkJ4E)
And why should you smile for a photo? Do you normally walk around looking like a grinning idiot?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (7gCCJ)
Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:46 PM (F1Z8f)
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (qh617)
What exactly are yu worked about?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:46 PM (/tNwW)
...and that's when the fight started
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:47 PM (7gCCJ)
And why should you smile for a photo? Do you normally walk around looking like a grinning idiot?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (7gCCJ)
I dunno why, but lol.
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:47 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: HAL Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:47 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:38 PM (JoIcn)
Only after it has been passed.
Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:48 PM (+jijM)
Word.
Posted by: Ace Tomato Co. at June 02, 2015 06:49 PM (7YlUk)
btw, correction to post title: obama's Senate Passes...
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:49 PM (7gCCJ)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:49 PM (JoIcn)
Posted by: seamrog at June 02, 2015 06:49 PM (xTyfL)
Posted by: Argentine Lake Duck, proud sporter of a punishing corkscrew dong at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (F1Z8f)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (lKyWE)
Now, if you'll excuse me I've got to buy another gross of disposable phones.
Posted by: the guy who never bends over at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (xQX/f)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 06:51 PM (et+T8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:46 PM (/tNwW)
There were way too many votes for this thing from people who WANT to keep the program active...
Who want the NSA to continue to have the capability of getting all this info easily...
I'm wondering at the details...
Because I have a feeling this is like when Congress stopped themselves from insider trading with great fanfare... and then quietly reneged on that just a couple of weeks later...
Smoke... mirrors.... some assembly required....
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:51 PM (qh617)
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (qh617)
Hell. They don't know.
Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 06:52 PM (48QDY)
advancement was very slight. You had to wait for someone to die before
there was a job opening."
Oh, poor you.
Posted by: The birds in the bucket at June 02, 2015 06:52 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: A Photographer at June 02, 2015 06:53 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:53 PM (F1Z8f)
Posted by: Soothsayer
Why yes I do!
Posted by: Joe Biden at June 02, 2015 06:53 PM (sQzB6)
and another 20 before the first 'Money Shot'.
Posted by: KEN! at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (/1eYH)
Posted by: Walter Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (FGst3)
Who want the NSA to continue to have the capability of getting all this info easily...
I'm wondering at the details...
Because I have a feeling this is like when Congress stopped themselves from insider trading with great fanfare... and then quietly reneged on that just a couple of weeks later...
Smoke... mirrors.... some assembly required....
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:51 PM (qh617)
???
You do know that Gov Agencies and even local police could always get your telephone records with a Court Order?
And they are not taping your phone calls, just keeping track of what numbers you called? Again nothing they have not been doing for ever?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: seamrog at June 02, 2015 06:55 PM (xTyfL)
Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:55 PM (F1Z8f)
Posted by: A Photographer
----------------
Dammit. Born a century too soon.
Posted by: Matthew Brady at June 02, 2015 06:55 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: shit Lincoln might have thought at June 02, 2015 06:55 PM (wAQA5)
federal governments role in allowing it to happen in the first place and
to create the false impression that what was needed were more "tools"
and a larger coordinating beuracracy to keep us safe."
And in limiting the lawsuits against us - that was important too. We dodged a bullet there.... without the Commission, 9/11 could have been a real disaster!
Posted by: The airline industry at June 02, 2015 06:56 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: A Photographer
Ya know that does not mean what yu think it means. They used to say "Cut the mustard"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:56 PM (/tNwW)
The international community does not believe that Israel is serious about a two-state solution, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has placed so many conditions to its establishment that it is unrealistic to think it could come into existence in the near future, US President Barack Obama said Tuesday.
What a fuckin asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: the guy who never bends over at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (xQX/f)
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (qh617)
5 All this is hoop-la.
They'll just go to the cell phones companies and MAKE THEM comply.
Then in order to get service, you'll have to make agreements with the third party.
Posted by: golfman at May 20, 2015 09:38 AM (fQAkR)
Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: keena at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (a6MVK)
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Garrett at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (/1eYH)
Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:00 PM (F1Z8f)
Posted by: the guy who never bends over at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (xQX/f)
???
They were trying to track the types and numbers of calls to specific numbers both here and over seas to try and track a pattern and connect the dots. How do you get a court order to track something you are not sure exists without first tracking it?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:00 PM (/tNwW)
harass a critical journalist on Twitter, or a right-wing agitator in the United States might smear demonstrations against police brutality by posing as a thieving, violent protester.
Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2015 07:01 PM (mGBKM)
Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2015 07:01 PM (mGBKM)
Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (F1Z8f)
Only difference between a wedding and a funeral, is the side of the aisle you sit on.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (et+T8)
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (z/Ubi)
You are confusing the meta tracking to detect a more organized terror network and lone wolf attacks. Which makes me think you don't fully understand what the purpose of the meta tracking was for.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (z/Ubi)
You are confusing the meta tracking to detect a more organized terror network and lone wolf attacks. Which makes me think you don't fully understand what the purpose of the meta tracking was for.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (/tNwW)
against police brutality by posing as a thieving, violent protester"
Hey, look. We're just trying to do the jobs that thieving, violent protesters won't do.
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:03 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: navypopojojo at June 02, 2015 07:03 PM (Ixsz4)
Posted by: Caitlyn Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:03 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at June 02, 2015 07:04 PM (Dwehj)
With more than 102,000 children across our country waiting for a permanent home, the last thing we should be doing is preventing loving, caring and responsible parents from welcoming them into their families.
Yet there are still too many states in this country without protections, or worse yet, with discriminatory laws, preventing LGBT parents from adopting or fostering those children and giving them the happy, stable home they've always deserved, but never known.
That's why I reintroduced the Every Child Deserves a Family Act - to protect LGBT parents looking to adopt or foster and help secure safe and loving homes for our nation's children. Now my colleagues and I are urging Congress to pass this legislation immediately for every child waiting for a home. Will you join us and add your name now?
-
I wish I could find stats, but I recall reading that there are often more people looking to adopt babies or children up for adoption. Any anyway, why should this be a matter for federal law?
Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 07:05 PM (qSIlh)
The international community does not believe that Israel is serious about a two-state solution, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has placed so many conditions to its establishment that it is unrealistic to think it could come into existence in the near future, US President Barack Obama said Tuesday.
What a fuckin asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (/tNwW)
The first condition that Israel has that is a definite deal breaker to the two-state solution: Israel gets to exist.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 07:05 PM (z/Ubi)
organized terror network and lone wolf attacks. Which makes me think
you don't fully understand what the purpose of the meta tracking was
for.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (/tNwW)
And has the meta-tracking, in which the bulk of law-abiding citizens data is swept in it proven fruitful. It's not like there is anything to hide. The tactics are already out there. If there was some useful fact or information that would prove that tactic useful, you think they would have proved their case by now.
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (/tNwW)
--I'm not convinced Nidal Hassan was a completely lone wolf. Plus, he was in plain sight and the FBI and Army idiots still had their dicks in their hands.
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Caitlyn Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at June 02, 2015 07:07 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 07:07 PM (qSIlh)
Just because you've never had them clean out your corporate checking account means it will never happen.
I have experience in such matters.
It does happen.
Grow up.
Posted by: the guy who never bends over at June 02, 2015 07:08 PM (xQX/f)
Everything should be a matter for federal law.
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 02, 2015 07:08 PM (W5DcG)
still had their dicks in their hands.
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (FGst3)
As were the Tsarnaevs and the Dallas idiots.
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:08 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (ecDRv)
I would hope they would not tell us what they have done and what they have prevented. IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE A SECRET. To many people have forgot that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:09 PM (/tNwW)
Obama complains that democracy is terribly unfair...
http://tinyurl.com/orzqqfm
compares himself to George Washington.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 02, 2015 07:09 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: mallfly
That "thousands of children waiting to be adopted" bit is utter bullshit. The waiting list to adopt a special needs baby is a mile long. Mentally and physically healthy babies are adopted before the doctor can even slap them on the ass.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 07:09 PM (tgnRB)
still had their dicks in their hands.
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (FGst3)
Th point is the did have the info. It was because of PC crap that they did not act on it, NOT because the surveillance failed to turn up evidence.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (/tNwW)
Likin Park. Better?
==========================
Lickin' Park?
Like on Roosevelt Island.
Posted by: Huma and Hillary Abedin at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (DkJ4E)
With a Court Order they have to show probable Cause....
Intelligence agencies do not work that way.
We have, IMO, merged our Police, Spies, and Military, into one big conglomeration... and no longer have effective control over them... because if the Rules of one prohibit an action, they just move it to another entity of the conglomeration...
Thus, if it would be an illegal Military Target to assassinate a Civilian in a Neutral Country? Hell, just have the CIA Drone do it...
If the Police can't track someone because of a lack of probable cause, or no justification for a warrant? hell, just says its terrorism, or even Environmentally related... and we'll just bypass those pesky rules...
The Division of Powers and Authorities of our Government were put in place for very good reasons.... so we could know what the hell our Government was doing...
Now, IMO, that is gone... with the quiet approval of BOTH parties...
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (qh617)
So what I'm trying to say is, that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!
Posted by: Caitlyn Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Guy who thinks he Napoleon at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (OsWis)
done and what they have prevented. IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE A SECRET. To many
people have forgot that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:09 PM (/tNwW)
What could go wrong?
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Guy who thinks he's Napoleon at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (OsWis)
And yet, even when stepped all over, your paper will still do the regimes bidding.
Weasel Zippers
Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Folsom Street at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (Dwehj)
How do you get a court order to track something you are not sure exists....
Posted by: Nevergiveup
You don't. Not in a free country where the quaint custom of "probable cause" and independent judicial review still exists.
But in this place....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:12 PM (kdS6q)
What could go wrong?
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (ecDRv)
So you want all our national security secrets out in the open?
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:13 PM (/tNwW)
No one is smiling.
Lol on this. That's my parents wedding photograph. The first time I saw it their marriage made sense to me. (My mom hates my dad). She looks so pissed off, but she said that it was considered weird to fake a smile for pictures then.
Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 07:13 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Folsom Street at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (Dwehj)
that there are often more people looking to
adopt babies or children up for adoption.
Any anyway, why should this be a matter
for federal law?
The feds giveth. the feds taketh away.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (et+T8)
You don't. Not in a free country where the quaint custom of "probable cause" and independent judicial review still exists.
But in this place....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:12 PM (kdS6q)
What specifically are you afraid of if the Gov knows who you called? What makes you think that is such a big secret? What expectation of privacy to you have when you make a phone call on a public unsecured network?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at June 02, 2015 07:15 PM (Dwehj)
What could go wrong?
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (ecDRv)
So you want all our national security secrets out in the open?
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:13 PM (/tNwW)
I hate to go Godwin, but an awful lot of abuse can be justified on the basis of providing security. How do you know if it implicates national security until you've violated individual liberty? Is that where you're standing pat?
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:15 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Pablo Escobar at June 02, 2015 07:16 PM (Pa9vP)
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:15 PM (ecDRv)
What individual liberty was violated? When was who you called ever a secret?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (/tNwW)
You don't. Not in a free country where the quaint custom of "probable cause" and independent judicial review still exists.
But in this place....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:12 PM (kdS6q)
What specifically are you afraid of if the Gov knows who you called? What makes you think that is such a big secret? What expectation of privacy to you have when you make a phone call on a public unsecured network?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (/tNwW)
Why does the federal government need to know that I call dominos?
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: The Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia and Poland at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (/tNwW)
--All I'm asking is, what's the point of giving the gummint so much power if they won't even make a show of using it properly?
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (FGst3)
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (z/Ubi)
That's not the question or issue. Does the Gov knowing you called dominos violated any of your rights? Other than you have lousy taste in pizza
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (/tNwW)
I have a lot of expectations. For one the public can't listen in or see any of the records. So it really isn't public.
Posted by: Free the nipples San Diego State University at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (wkuqO)
I would hope they would not tell us what they have done and what they have prevented.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
We're 14 years into the Eternal War on Terror. If there were successes, there would be events whose details are no longer operationally sensitive that could be revealed.
Consider the information released during every other war, and this era's "just trust your masters" attitude becomes absurd.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (kdS6q)
>>> Ever see really old wedding photos?
No one is smiling.
.....................................
That's because they were all secretly ghey and wanted to marry the best man instead of the bride.
Posted by: Gays slap ass! at June 02, 2015 07:19 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (FGst3)
But that's a whole other issue. Reform how the gov interprets the data who does it who they use it, not necessarily the lawful, important, and necessary collection of that data
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:20 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (/tNwW)
Before the Patriot Act. It's reading time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_and_trace_devicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_register
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:20 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: MTF
This should be good. What's the punchline?"
"Because they'd leave snail trails"
Posted by: Friar's Club Joke Book, p. 292 at June 02, 2015 07:21 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Lone wolf at June 02, 2015 07:21 PM (+jijM)
Consider the information released during every other war, and this era's "just trust your masters" attitude becomes absurd.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (kdS6q)
yeah no. And we already talk to much about to many things. Like all the shit that has leaked out about our special forces. Some people need to learn to keep their mouths shut. And security clearances have to be tightened up.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:22 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:23 PM (/tNwW)
No one is smiling."
Blowjobs hadn't yet been invented, so brides, not knowing that they'd given their last one, had nothing to smile about. Blowjobs having not been invented, grooms simply had nothing to smile about.
Posted by: Dr. Ruth at June 02, 2015 07:23 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:22 PM (/tNwW)
Obama too?
Posted by: just saying at June 02, 2015 07:23 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:15 PM (ecDRv)
What individual liberty was violated? When was who you called ever a secret?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (/tNwW)
That's actually a good question.
We take requiring a court order to do a full recording wiretap as a given but I believe this was a fairly recent court decision from say the 60s or 70s. And I'm not sure if your phone usage by itself - phone numbers called/calls received from and duration - are even protected the same way.
Likewise I believe people's mail can't be opened without a court order but the sender and receiver information can be recorded without one.
Posted by: Maetenloch at June 02, 2015 07:24 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: just saying at June 02, 2015 07:26 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Every worker, anywhere, ever at June 02, 2015 07:27 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: just saying at June 02, 2015 07:28 PM (wkuqO)
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Posted by: John *hic* Boehner at June 02, 2015 07:30 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:31 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:31 PM (ecDRv)
Yes and if you read the article, you'll see that in 1979 the supreme court ruled that pen registers are not a search and do not require a court order.
Posted by: Maetenloch at June 02, 2015 07:35 PM (pAlYe)
The victors in any court case is the side with more raw information. This is an irrefutable fact and is a feature of free societies anyway. It ensures that everybody, so long as they dot I and cross their t, can, hypothetically, defend themselves based upon facts and not ideology, as was the case prior to establishment of the system circa the fall of theOttoman Empire. It cannot be stressed enough that a trial by facts is the single best thing to happen for the common man in a matter of a legal nature.
The availability of technology to gather massive amounts of information is also not a bad thing. Neither is the government having that capability, it is an unavoidable eventuality of technological development in any case. It must be assumed that the government knows everything about everybody in today's world of technological inundation.
Tell me what is the explicit codified language in any arbitrary place on any arbitrary action? Regardless of what you, or anybody attempts to suggest as clearly legal, it will always be possible to argue that the fulfillment of that action necessitates some otherwise stipulated illegal action. The vast majority of the time nobody cares and it is probable that the representatives of the estate are aware that pursuing such laws is pointless and defeats the purpose of prosecution. These laws become somewhat akin to scoff laws, but it is the government which scoffs them; the people are ignorant of them due to their sheer number or awkward specificity.
This is why a person who has a taillight out can get charged for illegal carry of a firearm in a motor vehicle. The illegal carry charge is tacked on after the fact to the original and actually meaningful violation. This explicitly increases the cost of the taillight violation by several orders of magnitude. Imagine if our driver did not have insurance too. And/or had had his license revoked. It becomes very easy to absolutely ruin a person's day, week, or even year with a siren over something that costs pennies.
So, hypothetically, let us say that a particularily nasty man is elected president. He has some very vocal dissidents. It is within reason that he wants them to go away, so he watches them for their taillight to fail. The simple solution is not to have a bad taillight.
Too bad that is impossible now. There is no hiding from technology. It is everywhere and sees everything. Giving an entity which may indeed have a vested interest in shutting somebody up the power to collect raw information on that scale on everybody is a very bad idea.
Instead of needing to mind a taillight, pennies, we must mind everything, quite the opposite. Then, life may continue without note, until you say something our nasty little president does not like. Once you do, your entire life is turned upside down, you fight an endless battle of lawyers-presumably with a lawyer, who happens to want his own paycheck-and you cannot win. Simply because the government will always have more information than you. Maybe once or twice a jury will rule against the government, but in the long run the government will win more than it loses. You did, after all, break the codified law on those specific points.
The solutions are to deny the government access to meta-data or to have the law so brief, simple, and explicit that it is knowable and follow able on the individual level or provide for the overturn of laws by jury.
The law is impossible to understand in its totality today. Technology precludes the ability to limit data collection in any significant sense, but I see no reason to explicitly allow and protect it. Juries have never had that power, it would be a significant development in jurisprudential theory if they did.
The weakest point in that trifecta is the technology portion for the time being. While it is a battle the people will not win in the end, it is the only field we can win today. The other two require revolution of the bloody variety to be implemented.
Therefore, Ace, you are either wrong or actively encouraging a revolution from our current government to some as yet undefined one. That us codified as treason and is probably not popular on the hill. I wonder whose life will be turned over?
Posted by: CthulhuDreaming at June 02, 2015 07:40 PM (+mH0d)
We he hits the next stage grief, it's gonna be something to read.
Posted by: simplemind at June 02, 2015 08:00 PM (BTnAK)
This is an irrefutable fact and is a feature of free societies anyway."
Perjury can easily carry the day, as can pure unadulterated bullshit - i.e., the daycare molestation cases from the 1980s.
Stupidity/emotionality can sway a case, too. Some years ago, 60 Minutes or some similar news show actually got to film jury deliberations in a criminal case (the State, DA, and defense all agreed to it). Simple matter - the defendant was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm. The DA proved (and the defendant even admitted) that: (1) the defendant was a convicted felon; and (2) he was arrested in possession of a firearm. The facts and law were 100% on the state's side. The jury acquitted, even though they agreed that the facts unequivocally showed that: (1) the defendant was a convicted felon; and (2) he was arrested in possession of a firearm, and they agreed that the judge had instructed them that they had to convict if they found those two elements to be true. Their reasoning: "He was trying to turn his life around, and wanted to become an armed security guard, so he needed to have a gun." Neither the law, nor the facts, mattered a whit to them.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 02, 2015 08:03 PM (amQXf)
Yeah, I know...
Political Correctness Kills just like terrorists.
Posted by: Muckraker at June 02, 2015 08:26 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 02, 2015 08:27 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Mongoose at June 02, 2015 08:46 PM (aS5To)
Posted by: Yancey Ward at June 02, 2015 10:08 PM (vTVKC)
in rare circumstances, technology capable of tracking thousands of cellphones
And who's telling us that they're carrying stingrays only in "rare" circumstances? you ask for a miracle, I give you the Eff Bee Eye. That's who told us it is "in rare circumstances".
Which tells me they're permanently installed in the aircraft.
This is also the same Eff Bee Eye that told my local constabulary that if a judge asked them where they got the information (from a stingray device) that they were to tell the court that the source was a confidential informant.
Excuse me, isn't that suborning perjury?
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 03, 2015 08:43 AM (1hM1d)
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