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Denny Hastert Indicted For... Withdrawing Money From His Bank
As you may or may not know -- well, you almost certainly know it; I don't know why I'm low-balling you here -- it's illegal to "structure" withdrawals from a bank in order to evade the IRS $10,000 (?) threshold which triggers a reporting requirement.
Well, Denny Hastert did that, feds claim. He is indicted for Malicious Withdrawals of His Own Money. Now, the reason he seems to have done this is to pay off an alleged "victim" of "prior bad acts" -- someone I guess who could expose him. Maybe a blackmailer, maybe not. So he took the money in sub-$10,000 withdrawals to avoid federal reporting and embarrassment about paying off a legitimate victim and/or blackmailer. (Sometimes it's hazy.) Now, those "Prior bad acts" are not specified, and further, are not part of the charges against Hastert -- whatever those acts are, they are not the feds' concern. However, they are indicting him for Withdrawing Money With Intent To Withdraw Money. Someone on Twitter -- didn't see who -- noted that they wouldn't be crying for Hastert, as Hastert is a member of the political class who has conspired to make everything illegal, and how he's hoist upon his own petard. I think it's about time we stopped merely complaining about this shit and started demanding the feds repeal this bullshit law and their many other we'll-get-you-on-something laws. Open Thread.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: pep at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (74Hu9)
But if you're following the law and a Republican, that's basically the same as "evading" the law.
Obviously this guy has some skeletons, but it's none of the government's damn business.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (6ssh2)
Just a reminder here that this particular bullshit law, and a galaxy of other related bullshit laws, are all second-order consequences of fighting the War On Some Drugs.
A war in which the Republican Party have made themselves energetic foot soldiers for the past eighty years or so.
Root causation. It's a bitch.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: pep at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: wooga at May 28, 2015 06:27 PM (0GAfQ)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:27 PM (3A2nj)
Posted by: Reggie Bodyman Love at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (NPgvx)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (q6kiT)
Posted by: pep at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (DUbQO)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (iVfu6)
Posted by: PaleRider at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Rip van Tinkle at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (tgnRB)
Posted by: Robinson at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (+exqw)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (oVJmc)
Absolutely, the jails are full of them
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (JLnbb)
I haven't made $10,000 in the past three years.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (0HooB)
This is assume guilty until proven innocent territory, assuming that you must to be up to no good if you're withdrawing a lot of $$$.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (q6kiT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (0tz5q)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (3A2nj)
and started demanding the feds repeal this bullshit law and their many
other we'll-get-you-on-something laws.
The LIB in me says "meh, better him than me. Let's hope the spineless GOPe has the balls for political retribution once Obama is gone."
Otherwise, I can think of many more laws that impact the law abiding that I'd have repealed than those that affect someone skirting laws about finance reporting.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: pep at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (LAe3v)
My fantasy is that if I ever when the lottery, I would take out huge amounts of cash and hand it out to those who I believe need it. So, now I could go to jail for it?
Posted by: Bruce with a Wang! at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: William 'Cold Cash' Jefferson at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (kCLGY)
Posted by: Dave C at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (JLnbb)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: PMRich at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (eEBON)
It's either illegal to possess cash or it isn't. He followed the law to the letter.
Conservatives should push "sunset laws" on every federal law that requires renewal say every 10 years.
Also a Justice Department that's not another political wing of a campaign.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (kCLGY)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:31 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: Baldy at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (sEXjW)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (q6kiT)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (DUbQO)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (3A2nj)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (kCLGY)
Basically, you're guilty at all times.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:33 PM (oVJmc)
No, you're purposely going under the speed limit in order to not being violation of speeding laws. Basically "conspiracy to want to go as fast as legally possible without paying a ticket".
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:33 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: Tony Soprano at May 28, 2015 06:33 PM (qHGPV)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:33 PM (3A2nj)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (tgnRB)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (TV9BR)
It hasn't been that long ago that anybody associated with the government was required to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest or impropriety. Shit, now it's flaunted - "Prove it!" or "Where's the proof?"
We are serfs and peasants.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: JD at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (TzeLs)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (oVJmc)
(If a democrat had done this. . . if Clintons had done this, it wouldn't be a crime.)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (KKMQQ)
Ex-wrestling coach didn't see a big problem with Foley buggering teen pages. Get it?
So many in dc are bent. These bent men and women eventually destroy all they touch.
Posted by: Mica Vim Toot at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (VvKOi)
Consequently, everyone less politically knowledgable than me -- that is, 95% of the electorate -- will be utterly unmoved by this "scandal," and will ignore it in favor of other things (generally involving the word "Kardashian").
Therefore, I give this the official Stamp of Irrelevancy.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (jBuUi)
The War on Drugs: The gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (sdi6R)
Actually tourgewrench is right, this is a part of the failed war on drugs. You also can't bring $10k in or out of the country when traveling without reporting it.
Almost as soon as the law went out drug smugglers started making lots of small transactions, well small for them, near $10k and the feds started watching all people who made lots of transactions near $10k. The feds just got ordered to turn over $100k they seized from some mom and pop the other day for the same thing, some bullshit accusation of structuring.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (g1DWB)
This was a not particularly veiled threat from Obama to the GOP, sealed with a kiss.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (ecDRv)
I will point you to the story in last night's ONT about how the Secret Service tried to confiscate $115,000 from a couple running a small business. No evidence of a crime - they just made too many cash transactions too close to $10,000 a little too often and so the government just took their money. They had to go to court and spend $25,000 (not reimbursed) in order to get it back.
This is a bad law and makes it too easy for the government to simply confiscate all your cash assets, potentially leaving you with no resources left to even fight the process.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (pAlYe)
They probably won't prosecute that she didn't pay taxes on the cash she was given either.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (3A2nj)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (kCLGY)
Reading the indictment, sounds like the Feds are insinuating Hastert structured the withdrawals to hide payoffs to someone related to his time as a high-school teacher/coach.
$3.5 million for "past misconduct"
Oh oh.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (KKMQQ)
Take money, hide/destroy the communications, launder the money through your spouse, sell influence and US policy, subvert investigation. Clinton S.O.P.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (TV9BR)
Funny how they never adjust that for inflation.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (2cS/G)
They're smart enough to bypass cash transactions and launder their payoffs through a "foundation", paid speeches and over the top book advances.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (q6kiT)
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 06:38 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:38 PM (DUbQO)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 06:38 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: imp at May 28, 2015 06:38 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (jlhet)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (JmjOe)
Fail to report $25 million, no problem.
If you are the right party.
Same can be said for raping AND killing women.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (TV9BR)
Selective prosecution matters. Not the law. Not anymore.
Nation of Men, Not Law. In case no one noticed.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (q6kiT)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (3A2nj)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (rwI+c)
Also note, Hastert is being prosecuted under the money laundering laws that were renewed and extended under the Patriot Act and it's renewals -- which Hastert supported.
Tres amuse.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (kCLGY)
But if the police should happen to find it for some reason, they can confiscate it. Because having cash makes you suspicious. Then you have to prove it isn't drug money to get it back.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (sdi6R)
to hide payoffs to someone related to his time as a high-school
teacher/coach.
Friend of Harry Reid?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (oVJmc)
It's been noticed. There appears no way to cure it by voting.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Dennis Haysbert at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (NPgvx)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (TV9BR)
Well, since your denying the state an opportunity to collect financially from you. I have heard of people getting tickets for driving too slow and creating a traffic hazard.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 06:41 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 06:41 PM (q20+R)
Remember that when you think it's "no big deal" for the Feds to collect info about EVERY Americans phone records. After all, if you're not a terrorist, what do you need to worry about?
If you think it's A-Ok to collect phone records data, how can you be against the Feds keeping tabs on people who like to withdraw lots of cash?
The government is using War on Terror and War on Drug laws to embarass political enemies.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:41 PM (6ssh2)
*shakes Guinness out of laptop*
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (0HooB)
I care about whatever it was that was worth 3.5 million to cover up, and I care that the GOP didn't bother disclosing to the voters that the fucking Speaker of the House was this badly compromised.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (ATyhH)
Posted by: Grump928(C)
You'll get your wish when the idiot stops being useful.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (tgnRB)
Now this sounds like a nice idea -- getting Al Capone on tax evasion and such.
But it is just a way to subvert the protections we put in place to make sure only the guilty are convicted, and that we are a nation of laws.
So, in the specific, it is usually (not always) easy to be grateful that the guy we know is a criminal is charged with something. It is a primrose path to tyranny though and our nation is no longer capable of thinking of the consequences. I blame universal suffrage
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (LWu6U)
Yep. Tyranny is not defined by it's severity, but by it's capriciousness.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (8ZskC)
Instead of Government of the people, by the people and for the people, it's now Government against the people.
We can win this one but it will take nerve and some people will lose their stuff.
They physically cannot put us all in prison.
And it's getting close to the time when they will make a move to circumvent that.
They keep pushing the boundaries and there's a reason why it's happening NOW.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (sdi6R)
I would burn it instead.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (kCLGY)
If the *federal* authorities propose to start monitoring my financial activities in fine-grained detail, I would argue that they have grounds to do so in a Constitutional sense only when it comes to:
(a) National security, an enumerated federal responsibility, and
(b) Enforcement of federal income tax operations. That troublesome goddamned 16th Amendment which should never have even been contemplated.
That's it. Anything else, piss off.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (KKMQQ)
I wouldn't mind seeing Guild Navigator Mitch McConnell led away in cuffs.
I guarantee he's done plenty to put him away.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2015 06:44 PM (JmjOe)
------------
Only when a totalitarian progressive is POTUS.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:44 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 28, 2015 06:44 PM (SI8Wf)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:44 PM (kdS6q)
And taxes and a bunch of other regulations that were formulated by unelected pencil necked pencil pushers by our duly elected assholes.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (zRby/)
Heh. Now you're catching on.
Posted by: Henry VII at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Richard Nixon at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (maLc1)
It's a safe bet every politician on Capitol Hill is compromised.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (kCLGY)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (KKMQQ)
Once I noticed that a cop was behind me. I slowed down to the speed limit. Really, what else could I do?
He followed me for a loooong time. I mean he was right on my bumper. Eventually I decided to turn off the road I was on, and he didn't follow.
To this day I don't know if he was actually following me for some reason, or was just coincidentally behind me. He was definitely tailgating, though. What could I do, speed up until I was over the speed limit? The whole thing creeped me out.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (Dwehj)
Now if they can prove he was paying off a blackmailer then IIANM that is a crime.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (GpgJl)
Ace now: don't make (left wing) politicians live up to the standards they impose on the rest of us.
Posted by: Egd at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (YYZCI)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (XO6WW)
Seems most likely.
This is a bad law and makes it too easy for the
government to simply confiscate all your cash assets, potentially
leaving you with no resources left to even fight the process.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (pAlYe)
I saw that other story before the ONT.
There are many other bad laws on the books. I am not going to get any more upset that this one is on the books just because the corrupt Feds charge someone of note or someone that my betters think I should consider of note, especially when he appears to have technically violated the law. Hell, the IRS ran amok over many grassroots Tea Party Orgs for no wrongdoing other than being conservative and in violation of many laws. Hillary felonating all across the US and nothing. Doesn't matter if this law is repealed or not. The problem is systemic, not just pertaining to one or two bads laws that are used by a corrupt administration to send a political message to its opponents.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (DUbQO)
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 06:47 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Baldy at May 28, 2015 06:47 PM (sEXjW)
And I feel so lonesome
you hear me when I moan
When I feel so lonesome
you hear me when I moan
Who been drivin my terraplane
for you since I've been gone
I'd said I flashed your lights mama
your horn won't even blow
I even flash my lights mama
this horn won't even blow
Got a short in this connection
hoo-well, babe, its way down below
I'm on hist your hood momma
I'm bound to check your oil
I'm on hist your hood momma mmmm
I'm bound to check your oil
I got a woman that I'm lovin
way down in Arkansas
Now you know the coils ain't even buzzin
little generator won't get the spark
Motors in a bad condition
you gotta have these batteries charged
But I'm cryin please
please don't do me wrong
Who been drivin my terraplane now for
you-hoo since I've been gone
Mr Highwayman
please don't block the road
Puh hee hee
ple-hease don't block the road
Casue she's restrin (?) a cold one hindred
and I'm booked I gotta go
Mmm mmm
mmmm mmmm mmm
You ooo oooo oooo
you hear me weep and moan
Who been drivin my terraplane
for you since I've been gone
I'm on get deep down in this connection
keep on tanglin with your wires
I'm on get deep down in this connection
hoo-well keep on tanglin with your wires
And when I mash down your little starter
then your spark plug will give me a fire.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 06:47 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: mugiwara at May 28, 2015 06:47 PM (3a584)
I hold all authority to a higher standard: Unless and until they have enough evidence to present to a judge reasonable suspicion that I've committed a crime, they have no right to gather any information on me, electronic, financial or otherwise.
No right at all. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:48 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: BELIZE! at May 28, 2015 06:48 PM (NPgvx)
activities in fine-grained detail, I would argue that they have grounds
to do so in a Constitutional sense only when it comes to:
(a) National security, an enumerated federal responsibility
______________________________
That's just it, they use "national security" as an excuse to violate us. These laws were designed to find money laundering tactics for terrorists.
That's why I don't buy it and I'd rather worry about ISIS here at home and have my civil liberties than a weaponized federal government that can arrest you for simply taking cash out of your own bank account.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:48 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: tbd at May 28, 2015 06:48 PM (c0HLr)
Posted by: The Burning Time at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (rwI+c)
When Oswego High wrestling and football coach Ken Pickerill was left without an assistant in 1959, he tapped Hastert to drill his fellow linemen. "He was 17 going on 35," Pickerill recalled. "He could ride them and everything
http://tinyurl.com/ouuzasz
*cough*
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Shanghai Noodle and Rocking Chair Factory at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (xQX/f)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (+jijM)
Now if they can prove he was paying off a blackmailer then IIANM that is a crime.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (GpgJl)
In the actual charge documents Hastert made several $50,000+ withdrawals and when notified that they would be reported, switched to sub $10,000 withdrawals. He's being busted for the sub $10,000 withdrawals and lying to the SS when questioned about their purpose.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: Baldy at May 28, 2015 06:50 PM (sEXjW)
*snort*
Posted by: Phrasing! at May 28, 2015 06:50 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 06:50 PM (dXn35)
Shit some banker old me the new trigger is $4,000.
Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)
Originally it was $10K and structured withdrawals were amounts up to that but not over to avoid the reporting requirements. They have abused it around now to make it anything they want. But if you are above 10K it is then the responsibility of the bank to report it.
It is sure as hell not illegal to make withdrawals above 10K which he did. I have also done that every damn time I have bought a new car. This is a BS charge and unless they can prove blackmail, which he isn't charged with this case will go in the shitter
And it does prove one thing, you can still indict a ham sandwich, especially if it has an R after its name and you have a Democrat AG.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:50 PM (GpgJl)
http://tinyurl.com/o9bzjwd
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 06:51 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Toms at May 28, 2015 06:51 PM (cEvZ8)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2015 06:51 PM (JmjOe)
On a two lane road they'll hide behind you to catch speeders coming from the other direction.
And when they're right behind you, it's to make you nervous, if you are guilty of something. If you act nervous they'll pull you over. If you don't act nervous, they'll still pull you over.
"If they run, they're VC. If they don't run they are well trained VC" (Full Metal Jacket)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:51 PM (KKMQQ)
I firmly believe that's why they went after Sarah the way they did. D's and R's.
She hates corruption.
Could find nothing on her to control her with.
Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (qyZxC)
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (pAlYe)
well, yeah but, nothing illegal about wanting to stay off of government radar.
having a reporting requirement that requires transactions $10k and greater to be reported is very inconvenient if an illegal organization is trying to move a lot of money quickly and stay off radar. no one ever intended law for going after criminals with thousands of dollars.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (kCLGY)
Shooting, three to five men seen exiting and running from 2 vehicles
Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (RJMhd)
But having lawyers make laws isn't a conflict of interest.
Axe any lawyer.
(Apologies to any Horde lawyer-types)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: emily post at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (CrYC8)
his withdrawals were almost $1M each if the news story I read was correct so that charge is bogus.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Indictment says he was withdrawing in $50k increments, until his bank flagged him, then he started taking out in under $10 transactions.
Pretty clear case for adjusting you behavior to avoid the federal attention.
He's sunk.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (kdS6q)
I had a good friend that owned a record store and the feds were convinced he was dealing drugs. He wasn't, the worst he was doing is selling some used records to good customers out of the back room avoiding the front register and accountants.
In the end they seized a lot of his assets and the only charge was structuring and low small quantities of drugs which were for personal use.
The thing is, they had put so much into catching him, even setting up video in building across the street and there were so many agencies involved that they were damn sure they were going to charge him with something.
Anyway, the seizures started under Clinton. A lot of the erosion of civil liberties started under clinton
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: emily post at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (CrYC8)
Posted by: ACORN Lady at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (ecDRv)
And so we should nothing about any particular bad laws then? Okaay.
Plus there is a very large difference between the IRS withholding tax exemptions and doing extra audits on disfavored groups and people and actually filing criminal charges against someone that will send them to pound-me-in-the-ass prison for years. Both are bad abuses of power but the latter is an entire order of magnitude worse on the tyranny scale.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 06:55 PM (zOTsN)
President JEM will put through executive orders as follows:
a) No Federal agency shall engage in 'structuring' or 'asset forfeiture' enforcement except in conjunction with criminal charges.
b) State or local entities engaging in asset-forfeiture actions without corresponding criminal charges shall be presumed to have engaged in fourth amendment violations, my administration will expect such States to curtail such actions and, should they not do so, any Federal funding to that state and related entities will be curtailed.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: X at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (xGNLA)
nothing illegal about wanting to stay off of government radar.
Posted by: yankeefifth
Uh -- in this case, under these laws, yes there is.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (JmjOe)
Had a motorcycle cop get behind me a couple of blocks away from Casa Backwardio the other day. Residential area, speed limit 25.
I usually do about 30 through there, but not this time. Dude filled my mirrors.
I can play the game, too. I learned how to drive on an Army base.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Tony Montana at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (Cq0oW)
You know who's to blame for this? I'll give you a hint: banks are involved.
Posted by: Rip van Tinkle at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (tgnRB)
I knew it. Those damn Jews.
Posted by: Hitler's Illegitimate and unkown child at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (jsYc/)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (3A2nj)
But having lawyers make laws isn't a conflict of interest.
Axe any lawyer.
(Apologies to any Horde lawyer-types)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (0HooB)
Apology accepted. I don't know that it's so much direct self interest as it is the underlying philosophy that these people have adopted. Personally I'm appalled at the degree of local, state and federal regulation of every little fcuking thing.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (dXn35)
Do NOT talk to the Police/Agents.
They can lie to you but you cannot lie to them. Therefore unless you plan on telling the whole truth AND you know for sure it IS the whole truth, Do NOT talk to the Police/Agents without an attorney present.
This goes double if you have a law degree.
They will record everything you say OR write it down and they MAY do so incorrectly. You may or may not be allowed to record THEM so have a witness. Preferably someone being paid to keep you out of jail.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: t-bird at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (FcR7P)
No joke I think he was in the middle of trying to tell me how to avoid this structuring charge and then his mistress called on his cellphone so he had to go out to the parking lot because the wife was there.
So you know., I think he forgot to finish .
I got his fries though- so there's that.
Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:59 PM (DUbQO)
Remember those disappeared FBI files about everybody in Washington?
Insurance.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:59 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (kdS6q)
well they may prosecute you but that does not mean it is illegal. structuring is illegal only in the furtherance of a crime, in and of itself it is not illegal. even then, it is a stupid crime.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:59 PM (kCLGY)
Posted by: Reggie Bodyman Love at May 28, 2015 06:59 PM (NPgvx)
I am pretty sure this shit started under clinton and the war on drugs.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest
Bank Secrecy Act of 1970
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act
With the Republicans regularly renewing and extending the law.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:01 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 07:01 PM (kCLGY)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 07:01 PM (F2IAQ)
Which, itself, is often justified as a we'll get you on something law.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:02 PM (J0IP0)
I thought it was ebony but if IIRC nothing happened to Martin, Taylor, Guild, Fender, etc. I'll bet they all get their wood from similar sources. I wonder if Gibson wouldn't donate to someone.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:02 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 07:01 PM (F2IAQ)
yes. not so much prosecution as having you money seized.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 07:02 PM (kCLGY)
One too many times...
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (iVfu6)
Or just make shit up to mask the fact they didn't have probable cause to arrest you in the first place.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (dXn35)
Anyway, the seizures started under Clinton. A lot of the erosion of civil liberties started under clinton
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (LWu6U)
I don't blame Clinton. It's Congress that passed these laws. And the "law & order" GOP have been enthusiastic drug warriors for decades. It was Nixon that coined the term "War on Drugs", after all.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (sdi6R)
structuring is illegal only in the furtherance of a crime, in and of itself it is not illegal. even then, it is a stupid crime.
Posted by: yankeefifth
Nope. Feds don't have to prove that. The structuring itself is illegal, regardless of the motivation.
Law and case law is absolutly pelucid on that.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (GpgJl)
The $10K reporting requirement was part of the 1970 Bank Secrecy Act but I don't believe that 'structuring' your transactions below this limit became a crime in itself until a later amendment. I couldn't find a clear cut answer on this in wikipedia so I'm hoping someone knowledgeable here can point to the actual legislation that did.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (pAlYe)
The problem is that first they make reporting $10,000 withdrawals mandatory; then they start worrying about "you should have knowns" when someone withdraws $9,000, then finally their lawyer says, just report everything over $4,000.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:04 PM (J0IP0)
Posted by: MTF at May 28, 2015 07:04 PM (TcePY)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 28, 2015 07:04 PM (CyvDL)
Posted by: yankeefifth
---------------
You did read the story about the NC store owner, no?
At a minimum, he is out the $35,000 in legal costs it took to recover his money
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 07:04 PM (F2IAQ)
Yeah. And knowing what I know now about who actually writes these many blatant affronts to the Constitution and our freedom, I'm more inclined to let y'all off the hook.
Still, the gall of people like Nazi (We'll have to pass the law to find out what's in it) Pelosi who fail to safeguard our freedom still rubs me the wrong way.
Why is it that it's not popular knowledge that, with our form of government, every new law passed diminishes our freedom?
/rhetorical
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:05 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: X at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (xGNLA)
Accounts and tax lawyers racking up billable hours?
Those tax returns were targeted individuals too, not just random. Just a coincidence, probably never happen again.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (DUbQO)
Believe it or not, the same logic that says "he must have been doing something wrong, he withdrew less than the reporting limit" also has been used by cops to say "I suspected he was trying to evade attention by driving just under the speed limit."
If they want to stop you, they don't need much justification.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (J0IP0)
I bet this is why. At the time it made me mad because people were always all over Bush and it was just one ore way to criticize him.
But now it makes sense. Hastert had something to hide, too.
Posted by: MayBee at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (owMUc)
Posted by: wooga at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (0GAfQ)
Posted by: california red at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (UyEG4)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (RJMhd)
----------------
Every time the government is granted power to do something for you, it is granted power to do something to you.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 07:08 PM (zOTsN)
Also, I have prostate problems and IBS and I'm about to go uncontrollably on your cruiser seat."
Posted by: Richard Nixon at May 28, 2015 07:08 PM (maLc1)
At a minimum, he is out the $35,000 in legal costs it took to recover his money
That's the one I was referring to. And it took him a hell of a long time to get his $100K that the feds took from him.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 07:08 PM (g1DWB)
generally not smart, but the big ones always were sharp as tacks. they always keep up on laws and quickly change methods. so i would not doubt the law catches a lot fewer of the intended targets than expected
Posted by: Tony Montana at May 28, 2015 07:08 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:02 PM (ahBY0)
Their big boss is somewhat conservative.
What happened to them in that case was all types of illegal. I followed it closely since I'm a musician and also was in manufacturing for many years.
It was totally bullshit.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (0HooB)
I can think of a number of friends and acquaintances locally whose career peak has been middle-management, who've managed a couple decent investments and I'd expect they'd have a million in fairly liquid investments.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (+jijM)
I have a chess set whose black pieces are Indian rosewood. They're gorgeous.
I bought it in the 80s. I sure hope there's a statute of limitations.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (pAlYe)
Nice strawman. All I said is I am not going to worked up over Hastert getting PMITA prison for breaking a law, that he appears to have actually broken, just because it is Hastert, or because this law is particularly loathsome one. It isn't.
The problem is not this law. It is that there are so many bad laws, coupled with the lack of accountability that allows political motivation (or any motivation, really) to dictate who the LE apparatus is to be wielded against. It's a systemic problem.
Clearing this one bad law, a symptom, off the books, by itself, does nothing.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: IL Resident at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (SggMI)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Cheri at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (ZFPMM)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (3F6F8)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act
With the Republicans regularly renewing and extending the law.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
__________________________
The Patriot Act greatly expanded it, I can't copy and paste the section that deals with it but basically "suspicious" transactions over $5,000 be reported
http://tinyurl.com/nvfwv5l
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (6ssh2)
It was war on drugs mostly, but there is an odd thing the democrats do -- they have an ideology that should stand against certain things, but they are all craven and they know their ideology is hated by anyone with a brain. So the tend to cave on just the issues where they should be relevant.
I remember tipper gore trying to ban records. Or clinton going all in on the drug war, or kerry, et al gung ho for invading iraq.
They are craven pecksniffs.
The worst is that they always turn it around and blame the republicans for what they supported or did.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (LWu6U)
or 'asset forfeiture' enforcement except in conjunction with criminal
charges.
b) State or local entities engaging in asset-forfeiture actions
without corresponding criminal charges shall be presumed to have engaged
in fourth amendment violations, my administration will expect such
States to curtail such actions and, should they not do so, any Federal
funding to that state and related entities will be curtailed.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (o+SC1)
Better as I posted the other day when the 107,000 story broke
a) No Federal agency shall engage in 'structuring'
or 'asset forfeiture' enforcement except in conjunction with criminal
charges
b) State or local entities engaging in asset-forfeiture actions
without corresponding criminal
in
States to curtail such actions and, should they not do so, will be prosecuted and jailed
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (o+SC1)fixed by Vic
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: torabora at May 28, 2015 07:11 PM (F4BuZ)
I'm pretty sure that the reporting requirements apply to any transaction, even bank-to-bank. I could be wrong about that, though. But I have taken to heart the admonition to never google something first heard about on the AOSHQ, no matter how innocuous it sounds.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:11 PM (J0IP0)
Ordered and delivered to an engineering specification which was met.
The feds had no legal basis for doing what they did, yet they came in with guns drawn, confiscated the wood and intimidated the employees. Every fed who was even remotely connected with that incident should be in jail still.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:12 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2015 07:12 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (DUbQO)
Unless it was a busy week, then it was over 10k.
Clearly he had conspired with his customers to insure that his weekly receipts were under the reporting limit.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (LWu6U)
democrats think we don't have enough laws
and republicans think we have just the right amount of laws no matter how many the democrats just added
Posted by: X at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (xGNLA)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (zOTsN)
Depends. Are you Bill Gates, George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Clinton, or of their ilk? Then yes, yes we do. If not, then not so much.
Posted by: Forever Bothering Individuals (formerly just Italians) at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (amQXf)
Don't travel out of the country with it.
Numerous guitarists have had their antique guitars confiscated upon re-entering the country thanks to that idiotic law.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:15 PM (0HooB)
What part of BS skirting of BS reporting did you miss?
Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2015 07:15 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 07:16 PM (vmMMi)
What happened to them in that case was all types of illegal. I
followed it closely since I'm a musician and also was in manufacturing
for many years.
It was totally bullshit.
I didn't follow it as closely as you but it smelled fishy from the start.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:16 PM (ahBY0)
Libertarians also slobber over Ron Paul in a cult like fashion and that boy ain't right in the head.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (g1DWB)
I bought it in the 80s. I sure hope there's a statute of limitations.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (sdi6R)
Probably legal to possess but you may not be able to sell or transfer them to someone else or take them out of the country and return without some paperwork proving their age. This is true of ivory and a good number of other protected animal and plant products.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (pAlYe)
amounts of cash and hand it out to those who I believe need it. So, now I
could go to jail for it?"
No, the bank just has to report that you made said huge withdrawals. If, however, you keep taking out amounts of cash just under the reporting limit, that could land you in the hoosegow.
Posted by: Forever Bothering Individuals (formerly just Italians) at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (amQXf)
Defendant continued to withdraw cash in increments of less than $10,000. Defendant provided that cash in an increment of $100,000 at prearranged meeting places and times.
Regular meetings with dufflebag stuffed with $100k in cash for someone from your high-school coaching days.
Yeah, perfectly innocent.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (kdS6q)
Beautiful stuff.
And if old guy memory serves, their export/ import papers were in order and they got their wood back.
Always those pesky legal fees you're out thought.
And yes, conservative ownership.
I get 4 Taylor guitar magazines a year. Pretty sure Bob Taylor, well, I'm all for proper stewardship but he likes the word sustainable just a bit much for my taste.
Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (qyZxC)
Posted by: Duggar Family Dumbass at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (3b9U4)
They obviously ALREADY KNOW that you took out money...or how else could they charge you with structuring? They're just pissed you didn't fill out a form admitting it.
They know what you didn't report. WTF.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (X/+QT)
Posted by: You read about me in a Faulkner novel; you saw me once in a Williams play at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (oca9z)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuring#United_States
Title 31 of the USC, section 5324, provides (in part):
No person shall, for the purpose of evading the reporting
requirements of section 5313 (a) or 5325 or any regulation prescribed
under any such section, the reporting or record keeping requirements
imposed by any order issued under section 5326, or the record keeping
requirements imposed by any regulation prescribed under section 21 of
the Federal Deposit Insurance Act or section 123 of Public Law 91-508-
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (ecDRv)
@8: "Do the Feds accept 'Fuck you, that's why' when they ask you why you took out the money?"
That's what he should have done and he could have avoided this absurd charge.
But the law is written in a way that encourages people to NOT deal in increments of greater than $10,000 in cash.
A bank is required to WARN YOU when you ask for over $10,000 that they have to fill out a federal form.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:19 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: Richard Nixon at May 28, 2015 07:19 PM (maLc1)
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:19 PM (ahBY0)
No person shall, for the purpose of evading the reporting
requirements of section 5313 (a) or 5325 or any regulation prescribed
under any such section, the reporting or record keeping requirements
imposed by any order issued under section 5326, or the record keeping
requirements imposed by any regulation prescribed under section 21 of
the Federal Deposit Insurance Act or section 123 of Public Law 91-508-
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (ecDRv)
Yes but when was that part added to the law or was it originally part of the BSA? That's the question.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:19 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:27 PM (3A2nj)
I've definitely deposited it but not cash.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 07:20 PM (vmMMi)
I get 4 Taylor guitar magazines a year. Pretty sure Bob Taylor, well, I'm all for proper stewardship but he likes the word sustainable just a bit much for my taste.
He's been pushing that for a while, as you probably know, teej.
It didn't matter. Politics trumps law these days.
#WASTF
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:20 PM (0HooB)
Shit some banker old me the new trigger is $4,000.
Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)
Originally it was $10K and structured withdrawals were amounts up to that but not over to avoid the reporting requirements. They have abused it around now to make it anything they want. But if you are above 10K it is then the responsibility of the bank to report it.
It is sure as hell not illegal to make withdrawals above 10K which he did. I have also done that every damn time I have bought a new car. This is a BS charge and unless they can prove blackmail, which he isn't charged with this case will go in the shitter
And it does prove one thing, you can still indict a ham sandwich, especially if it has an R after its name and you have a Democrat AG.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
I was told over a decade ago by a Prosecutor working with the DEA that the trigger was $3,800 or thereabouts. That was the level to attract notice at least--not the legal reporting level but the point where the DEA is notified that something may or may not be happening. And from what I can gather the "structuring" law is not a law at all but a regulatory statute that is also quite arbitrarily being applied. I think it started very much like the way the IRS trains its' investigators that everyone under investigation is hiding at least $25,000 in tax fraud, those filthy citizens.
Posted by: Daybrother at May 28, 2015 07:21 PM (z6eC3)
Well if you're going to get hoisted your own petard is the best choice.
Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2015 07:21 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (DUbQO)
I'm interested in learning how a retired Congressman had a million bucks in his checking account. Sweet, sweet lobbying money?
Posted by: MTF
Lobbying for Turkey at $35,000 a MONTH.
And Laurie David, "pellucid" means "translucent" not "transparent"
Posted by: imp at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (XIXZz)
Is it illegal to pay blackmail now? Sheesh!
Posted by: Lea
Point of order, it's not "blackmail" unless you're asking for payment under threat of disclosing information.
Say it the right way, "hey -- remember when you were my 8th grade wrestling coach and used to pull my package like a hunchbacked bell-ringer? Weird times. By the way, I'm starting up a home based business. Care to invest?", and you're clear.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: skip at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (7L9rc)
Retiring pols are allowed to keep their campaign contributions and use them for anything that isn't judged personal. And I do mean anything.
An ex-Speaker must have had a shitload of cash in his slush fund.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (g1DWB)
Did we get all our harrumphs out?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (iVfu6)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (GpgJl)
Is there a workaround besides just typing it out manually?
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 28, 2015 07:23 PM (MIKMs)
With Hastert indicted for structuring, it's only a matter of time before Bill, Hill, and The Chelsea are indicted for same.
Did banks automatically file with Treasury the documents required when the grifter's deposited or received wire transfers greater than 10K?
Doubtful I will live long enough to see the results of my inquiry.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (P330y)
Prosecutors have too much discretion and not any supervision.
NONE.
And lots and lots of reasons to skirt the spirit of the laws.
Just ask Eric Holder. That's if he'll grant an interview.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (zRby/)
Hastert: yes.
FBI guy: why
Hastert: I'm stashing the money because I don't trust banks.
FBI guy: Well ok then. Sorry to have bothered you.
Posted by: You read about me in a Faulkner novel; you saw me once in a Williams play at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (oca9z)
Is there a workaround besides just typing it out manually?
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (6ssh2)
It's usually the hyperlinked comment number that screws things up. The are browser plug-ins that let you copy as plain text or you can just copy everything except the comment number.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (pAlYe)
The last time we withdrew money to buy a car the teller recommended we
withdraw it as a cashier's check made out to the car dealership. That
was specifically so when reported where it was going would be nice and
clear.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
And you could make a case that you were conspiring to evade the reporting requirement and structuring the payment to avoid detection.
That's why it's an absurd charge, it's too arbitrary when financial institutions actively try and find ways for customers to not hit those limits.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: acethepug at May 28, 2015 07:25 PM (WK825)
Apparently lots of business insurers only cover 10k in cash theft. So some store got busted on this law a while back because when they got closer to the insurance limit they'd make a bank run.
Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at May 28, 2015 07:25 PM (s92xH)
Prosecutors have too much discretion and not any supervision.
NONE.
And lots and lots of reasons to skirt the spirit of the laws.
Just ask Eric Holder. That's if he'll grant an interview.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That
Jon Doe in Wisconsin was unavailable for comment. Gag order & all.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 28, 2015 07:25 PM (tgnRB)
So if I understand this correctly first of all the IRS is getting annoyed at him for making withdrawals of his own money at 50k a pop. They then question him about it, feed-bait him with an easy line to agree with "your doing this cause you do not like the banking system right?" "yeah that is what I'm doing". (dumb - this is where you close your mouth and call a lawyer) Its fairly clear they already knew where the money was going. Then in response to that visit he starts taking out money in smaller amounts, so then they charge him with structuring and making false statements.
I have zero like for Mr.Hastert, but what's the actual crime here (yes I know all about the bs that is structuring), taking his own (already taxed) money out to give to someone else? Shouldn't they be going after the blackmailer, either for blackmailing him or for not reporting that income, or at least be going after Hastert for whatever he's being blackmailed about with regard to this "bad act" against the blackmailer?
Considering the repeated use of "years ago" sounds like statutes have run out on whatever it might have been, assuming whatever it was that happen to even be illegal in the first place. 3.5mil, that's a lot of dough just to keep someone quite if they can't legally harm you, I mean even if I fathered some kid long ago or something it's not exactly worth 3.5mil to keep that from my current wife. I mean how loaded is this guy, that's gotta be a decent chunk of change for him no? Must have been something pretty good.
What's funny is, if during their visit he just said "none of your gd business you may leave now", and then kept doing 50k withdrawals they couldn't do sh1t to him, it's the change to less than 10k increments after they spooked him that they're trying to get him on. Clearly this was their intent when they approached him, and if I were on the jury i'd see this whole thing as entrapment no matter if he technically broke the law or not, and while Hastert is a total douche-bag and probably a corrupt as hell one at that, that's a different issue for a different indictment.
Support S.255
Support H.R. 540
http://walberg.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fairacthouse.pdf
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:26 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Jailgone at May 28, 2015 07:26 PM (+exqw)
Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 07:27 PM (qyZxC)
Guess I get a clue why now.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 28, 2015 07:27 PM (i7JE3)
to evade the reporting requirement and structuring the payment to avoid
detection.
That's why it's an absurd charge, it's too arbitrary
when financial institutions actively try and find ways for customers to
not hit those limits.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (6ssh2)
No, the withdrawal was much greater than 10K so we all knew it would be reported. The cashier's check made out to the car dealer would show it was going to a legitimate buisness.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:28 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:28 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (lNSdJ)
Posted by: Ben Had at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (5fxme)
It is not blackmail to offer to settle a potential legal action for money without the filing of litigation. Confidentiality can be a term of that agreement as well.
If there was a settlement agreement, even if private, and it was an agreement to release all claims in exchange for payment, that is perfectly legitimate.
If such a thing happened, and if it was because of a little nambla type action, then Hastert deserves every ounce of pain he gets, but the victim was not blackmailing him at all.
Posted by: imp at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (XIXZz)
Because we are there now.
Posted by: Daybrother at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (z6eC3)
Oh and BTW FU Denny for not fixing this shit while you were a part of it.
Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (nFdGS)
Mrs. FireHorse is reading an article to me about the Ernest Hemingway cat place in Key West, how the Department of Agriculture is trying to regulate the joint and sending in undercover agents.
She says it's from The New York Times from 2012, now on Facebook - I don't know - maybe this is something, maybe not.
If American civilization is swirling down the toilet, I hope our successor at least likes kitties. I'm siding with the Russians.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (lHZsI)
Vic- I bought a used truck and withdrew $5500. The Credit Union acted
all kinds of bitchy about it. Next time we need notice blah blah.
Guess I get a clue why now.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 28, 2015 07:27 PM (i7JE3)
Credit unions don't keep a lot of cash around. If you go back and review your sign up documents you will find they do require advanced notice of large withdrawals.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:30 PM (GpgJl)
Ancient Chinese Secret.
Posted by: Jailgone at May 28, 2015 07:26 PM (+exqw)
Yes the ancient Chinese secret of shell companies and simply not reporting certain sketchy foreign donations.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:30 PM (pAlYe)
This is a paperwork crime.
Solzhenitsyn wrote all about paperwork crimes in Gugag. Like seamstress storing pins in newspaper and hitting stalins photo three pages down.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 07:30 PM (LWu6U)
And also what you're pasting may be in the wrong character set.
Whenever I run into this it's usually that so I play with the character set settings and sometimes it works and sometimes it don't.
Pixy is inscrutable at times.
Like your Uncle Melvin who came back from the war and was not the same person.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 07:30 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (GpgJl)
I did that last summer without being told. It seemed like a no-brainer. And I have the receipt in case anyone asks.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (sdi6R)
Before blaming Dems for this, the Bank Secrecy Act (inder which all of this happens) was signed by Nixon in 1970. The $10,000 cash threshold was established then and, if indexed to the CPI, would be roughly $60,000 today.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (WI6nT)
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It's ironic that at first he was following the even the asinine laws, till they got in his face an spooked him about it, only then did he actually break the bs law.
btw HR.540 and S.255 are not full repeals, they are however good bills that would otherwise shield most people from this bs along with the related asset forfeiture that usually comes along with it. In a sane world both bills would pass both houses nearly unopposed, instead they are lingering in committee with no action since introduction.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (MbrzC)
I don't even know if kid-diddling outside statute of limitations would be worth that.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (QYTDr)
Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (mGBKM)
$5500 is a large withdrawal for me but doesn't seem like much for a CU to handle.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 28, 2015 07:32 PM (i7JE3)
Damn. I believe that would be the day I'd go to jail for assaulting a peace officer.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:32 PM (ahBY0)
@thinkprogress 7m
Sorry, Jeb, scientists know humans caused all our recent warming
Raging, greasy clowns.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 07:32 PM (uctT+)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:33 PM (DUbQO)
Ernest Hemingway cat place in Key West, how the Department of
Agriculture is trying to regulate the joint and sending in undercover
agents.
She says it's from The New York Times from 2012, now on Facebook - I don't know - maybe this is something, maybe not.
If American civilization is swirling down the toilet, I hope our successor at least likes kitties. I'm siding with the Russians.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (lHZsI)
That action has been going on for a long time.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:33 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (WI6nT) "
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And if full repeal is a no-go, that right there, indexing it to cpi would at least be a good amendment to add to the above bills to further return some sense of sanity to the situation.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (MbrzC)
Mrs. FireHorse says the Hemingway place won their thing against the government so the cats stay.
Guess I'll stick with America.
(Anyone know if Pataki likes cats?)
Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (lHZsI)
The more I read about Nixon's legislation while in office, the more I wonder why he wasn't a Democrat.
And the more I'm glad that he was thoroughly disgraced. If he hadn't been, the press and Democrats would always be comparing Republican candidates to Richard price-controls Nixon.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (J0IP0)
All legislation should include period automatic sunsets. Force the bastards to up and go on the record for reauthorization, at least.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (noWW6)
Sorry, Jeb, scientists know humans caused all our recent warming
Seeing as how the planet has warmed in at least the last 15 years, ok.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (g1DWB)
This is a paperwork crime.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest
There's also the lying to the FBI. Got him on that too and also proves intent:
Specifically, in response to the agents question confirming whether the purpose of the withdrawals was to store cash because he did not feel safe with the banking system, as he previously indicated, JOHN DENNIS HASTERT stated: Yeah... I kept the cash. Thats what Im doing.
Such an obvious leading question, God, what an idiot.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (kdS6q)
all knew it would be reported. The cashier's check made out to the car
dealer would show it was going to a legitimate buisness.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
What I'm saying is, if a customer wanted to buy a car with say $20,000 cash and the teller talked them into a cashiers check instead in order to avoid filling out a form with the Feds, you could make a case that the person was actively trying to structure his transactions in a way that avoided detection.
It's absurd and the transaction was completely legal, but how is that any different than Hastert being told "if you go over $10,000, I'm going to have to report you" and instead he withdraws $9,000? And then getting charged with trying to avoid the $10k limit
The law is being arbitrarily imposed on a crime that is probably committed thousands of times a day in banks across America
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (zRby/)
It ought to be able to garner a supermajority to avoid sunset, too, in my opinion. If the legislation works well, it should be more popular after being passed than when it was passed.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (J0IP0)
http://www.tba.org/journal/dividing-your-deposits-is-a-federal-crime
In 1986 Congress criminalized currency structuring in the Money Laundering Control Act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_Laundering_Control_Act
PUBLIC LAW 99-570-OCT. 27, 1986
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (KKMQQ)
All legislation should include period automatic sunsets. Force the bastards to up and go on the record for reauthorization, at least.
Posted by: torquewrench
The Bank Act had a sunset provision. The damned fool Republicans keep renewing and "improving" it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (WI6nT)
But did the original BSA also make it a crime to deliberately structure your transactions to avoid the cash reporting threshold? I strongly suspect that this was a later addition sometime in the 80s or 90s..
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:37 PM (pAlYe)
cash and the teller talked them into a cashiers check instead in order
to avoid filling out a form with the Feds, you could make a case that
the person was actively trying to structure his transactions in a way
that avoided detection.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (6ssh2)
You misunderstand the law. He can't avoid making a notice to the feds for the withdrawal, but he can include in the report that it was a check to a car company.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:38 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski
JFK never exposed that commie-rat traitor Alger Hiss, so there's that.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 28, 2015 07:38 PM (tgnRB)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (QYTDr) "
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I agree. That said I'm not 73, married with family and still "in the game" as a lobbyist make tons of loot. I assume that's what these "bad acts" might be, and 3.5m vs future earnings reduced or eliminated might be worth it for him, but then I don't know what his net worth is, how valuable his present job is. But he can't have too many more working years so if I was him I'd be like unless you got pics...go ahead pal see who believes you after 10,20 years whatever, the time to screw me over was when I was speaker, you snooze you lose.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM (MbrzC)
The US Government hates the Hemingway cats because they're fancy cats with six toes. And they live in Key West, a noted center of rebellious right wing activity.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM (P330y)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM (qyZxC)
What I'm saying is, if a customer wanted to buy a car with say $20,000 cash and the teller talked them into a cashiers check instead in order to avoid filling out a form with the Feds, you could make a case that the person was actively trying to structure his transactions in a way that avoided detection.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (6ssh2)
I think that's a bit of a stretch. Both the withdrawal by the buyer and the deposit by the car dealer are completely transparent. Nobody is trying to conceal anything.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:41 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 28, 2015 07:41 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:41 PM (DUbQO)
>>>It ought to be able to garner a supermajority to avoid sunset, too,
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 07:42 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:42 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:43 PM (sdi6R)
Love each other fellow babies
Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 07:43 PM (qyZxC)
notice to the feds for the withdrawal, but he can include in the report
that it was a check to a car company.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
It's CASH that's reported, unless the law has changed.
I worked at a bank in the 90's when I was in college, and it was only for cash transactions that we had to fill out the form.
If you deposited a $10,000 check from a car you sold, you didn't report squat to the federal government.
If you deposited $10,000 in cash, you did have to report it to the Feds
If that's changed, I'm open to being educated, but I would think banks would just be filling out forms all day to the federal government if it was ALL transactions
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:44 PM (6ssh2)
Posted by: doug at May 28, 2015 07:44 PM (IYEs/)
Posted by: Daybrother at May 28, 2015 07:44 PM (z6eC3)
Yep. Stunned everyone when he did it. "Only Nixon could go to China" they all said.
If we knew then what we know now. . .
Poor guy, just wanted to be liked. and the more he tried to get people to like him, the more they hated him. He got us out of Vietnam, 'peace with honor' he said. They hated him for it.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 07:45 PM (KKMQQ)
the hassle of all the paperwork you have to have with you.
What scares me is people not in the biz who would walk right into losing some sweet playing thing that you would damn near trade your mother for. Very fucked up.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:45 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: skip at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (7L9rc)
Im pretty sure thats illegal too.
Posted by: bernverdnardo at May 28, 2015 07:48 PM (WhfU/)
Wrestling Hall of Fame Inductee: Dennis Hastert
Former Speaker of the House of the United States Congress, received the Sport of Lincoln Award for meritorious service to the sport.
And there's a Dennis Hastert Yorkville Invitiational Wrestling Tournament.
Those will be going bye bye.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:48 PM (kdS6q)
Yesterday I was listening to the charges against the FIFA executives and thinking what pikers they are compared to our own Criminal Government Cabal. Clinton's anyone?
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 07:48 PM (8zCR+)
Rot in hell anyone that passed/supported this legislation, in a position to change but passively condones it, or enforces it. Not hyperbole.
Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 07:49 PM (jWtyG)
withdrawal by the buyer and the deposit by the car dealer are completely
transparent. Nobody is trying to conceal anything.
Posted by: rickl
But that's my problem, the idea that the law is being applied because he's "probably up to no good" is too arbitrary.
Sort of like a Tea Party group files as an exempt organization with the IRS is "probably up to no good" in some bureaucrats eyes so they apply extra scrutiny that they normally wouldn't.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:49 PM (6ssh2)
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oct27th 86' and added too since in 92' 94', 2001, 2004
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:50 PM (MbrzC)
the place of law making to avoid the constitution, enforcement arms of
virtually all government agencies, exemptions from laws for law makers,
executive overreach, and the list goes on and on."
Or. as was stated by the Continental Congress on July 6, 1775:
"Parliament was influenced to adopt the pernicious
project, and assuming a new power over them, have, in the course of eleven
years, given such decisive specimens of the spirit and consequences
attending this power, as to leave no doubt concerning the effects of
acquiescence under it. They have undertaken to give and grant our money
without our consent, though we have ever exercised an exclusive right to
dispose of our own property; statutes have been passed for extending the
jurisdiction of courts of admiralty and vice-admiralty beyond their
ancient limits; for depriving us of the accustomed and inestimable
privilege of trial by jury, in cases affecting both life and property; for
suspending the legislature of one of the colonies; for interdicting all
commerce to the capital of another; and for altering fundamentally the
form of government established by charter and secured by acts of its own
legislature solemnly confirmed by the crown; for exempting the "murderers"
of colonists from legal trial and, in effect, from punishment; for
erecting in a neighboring province, acquired by the joint arms of Great
Britain and America, a despotism dangerous to our very existence; and for
quartering soldiers upon the colonists in time of profound peace. It has
also been resolved in Parliament that colonists charged with committing
certain offenses shall be transported to England to be tried . . . They boast
of their privileges and civilization and yet proffer no milder conditions
than servitude or death."
Posted by: Forever Bothering Individuals (formerly just Italians) at May 28, 2015 07:50 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM
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That, and because Ernest Hemingway's wishes are being fulfilled as pertains to his property and his cats.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 07:51 PM (r5Qcm)
Poor guy, just wanted to be liked. and the more he tried to get people to like him, the more they hated him. He got us out of Vietnam, 'peace with honor' he said. They hated him for it.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 07:45 PM (KKMQQ)
I read that one night, he went out to meet with some young protesters, sort of on the "down low" without making a big show of it. I don't know if they were antiwar protesters or not. It was a valiant effort, but it didn't seem to help him.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:51 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at May 28, 2015 07:51 PM (WhfU/)
But that's my problem, the idea that the law is being applied because he's "probably up to no good" is too arbitrary.
Posted by: McAdams
Well, there's always been prosecutorial discretion and indictments do have to go thru a grand jury.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:52 PM (kdS6q)
@IraqiSecurity
#Baghdad is burning. Multiple car bombs have struck the capital, targets include the Sheraton Hotel. Many casualties.
2:55 PM - 28 May 2015
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 07:52 PM (uctT+)
Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:53 PM (0HooB)
So I take out $6-$8 always with a story. Traveling, etc.
Last month bank said they did not have $8K in 100's. WTF?
I said get them, I'll be back. Very Very strange. They got them.
So my money can not be taken out?
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 07:53 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:52 PM (kdS6q)
They arrest the money.
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 07:54 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (noWW6) "
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Agree 99.82% of the time, I reserves the other 0.18% for things that aren't coming to mind but where we all might agree maybe they should require a vote to actually get rid of them, they should be few and far between, cause if our laws are so great people should have no problem re-authorizing them every ~10 (or less) years.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:55 PM (MbrzC)
RICO
RICO laws are the most outrageous bullshit out there -- can't get sufficient evidence to indict suspect X? Just idict him for crimes committed by people X knows and call it racketeering.
Repeal RICO and make the government prosecutors Do THEIR JOBS building actual cases about actual crimes committed by the perp they're prosecuting
Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 28, 2015 07:55 PM (K/p7v)
Pretty sure it's automated. There appear to be multiple requirements.
One for everyone, which is $10,000 and only involving cash:
http://hoboes.com/irs-cash-10k
And one for banks only, which is $5,000 and involves anything:
http://hoboes.com/banks-5k
Au revoir, mes abrutis.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:56 PM (J0IP0)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:56 PM (MbrzC)
But that's my problem, the idea that the law is being applied because he's "probably up to no good" is too arbitrary.
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:49 PM (6ssh2)
I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the cash reporting law. It's just that when I bought a new car last year, I went to my bank and had a cashier's check for the exact amount made payable to the dealership. I wasn't trying to evade reporting. I just didn't see the point in bringing a suitcase full of cash to the dealership when the cashier's check was much simpler. It was also safer in case I got robbed along the way.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:57 PM (sdi6R)
What has Hastert done to further the cause of individual liberty and constitutional governance? *crickets*
Yeah, fuck him on these admittedly BS charges.
What's that? Diddling kids, too. Fuck him with the barbed cock of Satan. Put him in general.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:57 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:58 PM (DUbQO)
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 07:58 PM (wkuqO)
I had that problem with 4k two times. Very pissy about giving to me. I made them give me the bands for it just to spread a little more happiness.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:58 PM (ahBY0)
The real outrage is the turning of justice on its head.
We'll confiscate your shit, you can't stop us, and you have to prove your shit is innocent before you can get it back.
Money and personal property can not be guilty of anything! It's fucking property, and the notion is absurd on the face of it.
This may have started with the best intentions, but it's become State-sanctioned theft.
Sherriff of Nottingham lives again.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 07:59 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: Ben Had at May 28, 2015 07:59 PM (5fxme)
"For the purpose of evading . . . ." is the operative clause.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 08:00 PM (ecDRv)
The underbelly of BSA cash reporting regs is the thing known as the Suspicious Activity Report (SAR). Back in the early days it was known as the Report of Apparent Crime, but since day one of the BSA era banks have been required to snitch on customers when their cash deposit/withdrawal patterns are "incongruous for their known income and expense streams". The meat of any bank BSA examination is the discussions with management over what they originally flagged as suspicious but chose not to report on a SAR and exactly why they did not. Lots of docs needed to establish why a SAR was not filed. In Denny Hastert's case, it's pretty obvious that numerous SARs were filed. They're filed with FinCEN (part of Treasury) and splashed around to all of the Federal 3-letter agencies.
@ 310 McAdams:
You are correct. All of these regs look only to cash. Check/wire/ACH transactions are not subject to the BSA Currency Transaction Report rules.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:00 PM (WI6nT)
We're not going to do it for them, he said, just today.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:00 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 07:54 PM
________
I never understood that. Even a for-real drug dealer, busted with a warrant and caught red-handed with a houseful of drugs - they take the drugs and the "drug money" as evidence.
Take the drugs; fine. That's evidence. But how can money itself be evidence of anything?
Worse, how can anyone with a conscience say "he'll just use that money to buy a slick lawyer to beat the charges" as a justification to seize the money?
Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 08:01 PM (r5Qcm)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:01 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Captain Ned
I know what that's like.
Posted by: Huma at May 28, 2015 08:02 PM (tgnRB)
335 Shorter rant:
What has Hastert done to further the cause of individual liberty and constitutional governance? *crickets*
Yeah, fuck him on these admittedly BS charges.
What's that? Diddling kids, too. Fuck him with the barbed cock of Satan. Put him in general.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:57 PM
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I get that that's a feel good response, and one we all probably share to a degree, but it doesn't help anyone, bet to use this turd's event to benefit the rest of us and get these laws removed or significantly amended. Besides we all know if this was actually doing that (pure speculation on my part) it's now very likely gonna come out and he'll 'get' his.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:03 PM (MbrzC)
@IraqiSecurity
#Baghdad is burning. Multiple car bombs have struck the capital, targets include the Sheraton Hotel. Many casualties.
2:55 PM - 28 May 2015
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 07:52 PM (uctT+)
Is the JV team making a move on Baghdad?
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:03 PM (8zCR+)
Don't look for justice or even logic. Politicians and lawyers enough said.
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 08:03 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:01 PM (WI6nT)
*Sighs* Me too.
Posted by: Denny Hastert at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: tmitss at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (Pa9vP)
My Well Faro branch has figured it out. I want cash,
Every month or so I get lots of CASH. So I guess I am going to jail?
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (0FSuD)
No. well, maybe but not for that.
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: flounder
I know what you mean but that is horseshit in and of itself. It is no g'damn business of anyone else what I do with my money. Especially not the governments.
Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:07 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (8CdUx)
Money and personal property can not be guilty of anything! It's fucking property, and the notion is absurd on the face of it.
This may have started with the best intentions, but it's become State-sanctioned theft. "
----Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 07:59 PM (XmOA9)
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Absolutely.
Thing is it never had the best of intentions.
At least S255 and H540 address the whole "You money is guilty first until you prove otherwise". It flips the script on that to money back in 14-days unless we can prove to judge a direct connection to illegal acts in a clear and convincing way.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (MbrzC)
According to Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty, Iraq lifted a curfew to restore a sense of normalcy. Car bombings have increased since then.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (KKMQQ)
I never understood that. Even a for-real drug dealer, busted with a warrant and caught red-handed with a houseful of drugs - they take the drugs and the "drug money" as evidence.
Take the drugs; fine. That's evidence. But how can money itself be evidence of anything?
Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 08:01 PM (r5Qcm)
Similarly, the reasoning for "no-knock" raids is to keep the perp from flushing his stash while the police announce their presence and wait for him to open the door.
I always thought, "So what if he does flush his stash? The goal is to get the drugs off the street, isn't it?"
They could just go around knocking on random doors, yell "POLICE!" and move on to the next house while the paranoid perp flushes his stash. Problem solved.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (zOTsN)
**
Oh good! The Hemingway house plus cats was the best thing about key west when I went.
Ot, I am watching the movie beastmaster which I found really entertaining as a kid. We will see how it holds up!
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (vmMMi)
all probably share to a degree, but it doesn't help anyone, bet to use
this turd's event to benefit the rest of us and get these laws removed
or significantly amended.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:03 PM (MbrzC)
Agree to some extent. Point stands. I'll not get bent about this one law, because the opportunity presents itself with an interesting back story.
And what about all of our pains that our betters don't feel or explicitly exempt themselves from? Obamacare? Insider trading? Etc.? Are we to patiently hope that one by one they are inconvenienced by "laws for little people," so that we may finally get some regulatory relief?
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (ecDRv)
Half way there.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (0FSuD)
You might not want to keep it all in one place, just sayin'.
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (8zCR+)
t if the police should happen to find it for some reason, they can
confiscate it. Because having cash makes you suspicious. Then you have
to prove it isn't drug money to get it back.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (sdi6R)
I would burn it instead.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (kCLGY)"
Destruction of currency is a crime, comrade. We win, you lose. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Posted by: Forever Bothering Individuals (formerly just Italians) at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:00 PM (KKMQQ) "
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Yes but did he preface it with "let me be clear?", if he did then you know he'll do an about face on it in less than a month.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (jWtyG)
Agreed without reservation.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (iVfu6)
No. as you've established a pattern and you're not taking more than $10K nor are you purchasing "monetary instruments" (money orders the like) over $3K for cash (the "monetary instrument log" we require depository institutions to keep).
Go out of that pattern and you'll likely have a SAR filed on you. Here's the insidious nature of SARs. You cannot be informed of it; in fact the bank will be severely punished through massive fines (and, recently, criminal penalties) if it's found that they disclosed the fact of a SAR filing. Under the BSA regs banks have an absolute safe harbor against tort actions for filing the SAR in the first place. They cannot be sued, period, for filing a SAR no matter how much it may fuck up your life.
Would you like to play a game?
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (WI6nT)
It has nothing to do with the money
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (zOTsN)
We're almost there.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (NbYHH)
Marc Singer was in V, I think. And again in the remake of V, I think.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (iVfu6)
Posted by: Ben Had at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (5fxme)
Posted by: Thunderb
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Not me! I will be celebrated...., already have been.
Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (DUbQO)
Posted by: tmitss at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM
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I see no reason not too.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: SFGoth at May 28, 2015 08:13 PM (ZoySm)
Posted by: tmitss at May 28, 2015 08:13 PM (Pa9vP)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (KKMQQ)
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So "the car bombing will continue until moral improves" I guess.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (MbrzC)
Andy McCarthy is so good at making all this super surveillance stuff seem normal and prudent. It takes an act of will to say 'No, Andy. You're wrong, on first principles. We are America, we don't spy on the law-abiding.'
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (rwI+c)
A good point. I figure I am going for weapons and the cash. Both in gun safe.
Where the hell else should I keep it? Mattress?
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt
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Or use the word "period".
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:15 PM (oKE6c)
They could just go around knocking on random doors, yell "POLICE!" and move on to the next house while the paranoid perp flushes his stash. Problem solved. "
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Be far cheaper and involve a whole lot less dead people, particularly innocent dead people.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:15 PM (MbrzC)
Damn. I believe that would be the day I'd go to jail for assaulting a peace officer.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:32 PM (ahBY0)
They aren't peace officers anymore. Haven't been for some time.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 08:16 PM (dXn35)
The administration's plans are working as intended.
Posted by: Earnest Joshington at May 28, 2015 08:16 PM (W5DcG)
If this isn't a bill of attainder what is it?"
It's nowhere near a Bill of Attainder - those effectively make outlaws out of your entire family simply because they are related to your traitorous ass (i.e., they have tainted blood). Not that you are a traitor, but if you were....
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 28, 2015 08:16 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (oVJmc)
Tell them you withdrew the money to donate to the DNC, but now you've changed your mind.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:16 PM (oKE6c)
Where was Haster when obama and Soros and the Democrats fucked us over?
Yeah, exactly.
Hastert is a totalitarian collaborator and he can eat shit and die. Aye, it could be me next. That doesn't mean I have to stand by Hastert or any of the Republican fucks.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (iVfu6)
Posted by: tmitss at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (Pa9vP)
One day, my face will be on the trillion dollar bill.
Posted by: Pres. Barky at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (sdi6R)
It's better than raiding the wrong house and shooting a seven year old girl in the head, I suppose.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (dXn35)
Bullshit! Everything they say is bullshit. First, it was to equalize force against "kingpins" like tony montana, who have armies of armed goons hanging around.
The public noticed that kingpins weren't being taken down.
Then, they retreated to the bullshit of not wanting dealers to flush their stash. Look, it you can flush your stash that quick, you're not a bigtime dealer.
Now, it's all about officer safety, wherein initiating violence, confusion and terror on the perps makes them less likely to fight back, and officer safety makes it home after his shift.
It's all bullshit.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 08:19 PM (XmOA9)
They'll apologize, and be on their way.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:19 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (0FSuD)
Diversification ain't just for investments. You can save a lot of money in small bills, 20s, 10s and 5s.
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (8zCR+)
And then congress sad, well, Ok, good enough! Have a nice day now, John!
But withdrawing $9000 a few times of your own money? Indicted? Yeah, some of these government apparachiks really need to spend the rest of their lives in jail where they can do no more harm.
Posted by: Fred B at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (zLson)
Posted by: Pres. Barky at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (sdi6R)
I think I saw your face on a Zimbabwe zillion dollar bill.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Pres. Barky at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (sdi6R)
Only if it's two-ply.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (oKE6c)
Where the hell else should I keep it? Mattress?
Another hidden fireproof safe for the time when they bust into your house and ask you if you have any other safes at gunpoint. There's a bunch concealed safes out there for sale.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 08:22 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (ecDRv)
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No. But there has been a decent amount of coverage of the average joe getting Screwed by "structuring" in the last several weeks and months even the dope J.Oliver did 20min on asset forfeiture angle on this stuff. I'm just saying throw this on top of the pile of examples that are becoming wave and ride it in for some meaningful action (yeah I know I doubt it to but it's worth a shot). While the other stories may not have gotten some of the pol's attention this one might have them perking up, if for no other reason then they're scumbags, know they're scumbags and might want to protect themselves from the same BS happens to them when they get blackmailed 5 years from now.
/just saying: Milk it for whatever it can be milked for is all.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:23 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:23 PM (rwI+c)
http://tinyurl.com/op2hnfk
See also, Baltimore : (The Blaze) West Baltimore residents worry they've been abandoned by the officers they once accused of harassing them, leaving some neighborhoods like the Wild West without a lawman around.
http://tinyurl.com/osg98ub
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: Oleg Casio at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (85ldL)
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (zOTsN)
Beastmaster with Marc Singer?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (iVfu6)
Yes. I was about to say 'is there another one' but I remembered they did a show.
So far, it's mark wondering around in a loincloth flexing his muscles and hanging with ferrets but the redhead just showed up now...
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 08:26 PM (vmMMi)
Bullshit. It's Soylent Green. We all know it. It's how Obolacare is going to keep costs down: turn the old and sick into "Lab-Grown Burger Meat."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:26 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:28 PM (oKE6c)
Like the siege of Leningrad, soon no one will ask where the cheap "hamburger" is coming from.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:29 PM (rwI+c)
It has nothing to do with the money
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (zOTsN)
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They couldn't be more clear about that if they tried. ha ha
--
You're wrong, on first principles. We are America, we don't spy on the law-abiding.'
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (rwI+c)
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Agree and McCarthy and many others are out to with regard to that and related topics.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:29 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 08:29 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:29 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM
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And Coinstar receipts. And hardcover copies of "My Life" by Bill Clinton, which is used as money in Africa, I think.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (r5Qcm)
Posted by: Mr Hand at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (rwI+c)
Huge crater
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (zOTsN)
I'd like to give a shit, for no other reason than good men sacrificed a lot to secure Iraq. But the Shitmidas chose otherwise, and now it's chaos.
Given their 1400 year record of barbarism, perhaps the best thing is to let them all go to war with each other, and pacify the survivors when they tire of the killing. But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (XmOA9)
It's interesting. I'm not concerned about the price, because it will certainly come down in the future.
People become vegetarians for several reasons. A big one is not wanting to kill animals. Artificial meat eliminates that objection.
On the other hand, there is still a lot that we don't know about nutrition. Artificial meat might lack something that we don't realize we need.
Combine artificial meat with 3D printing, and we're approaching Star Trek replicator technology. It could also be very important for Mars colonization.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (sdi6R)
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or throwing a flashbang into a toddlers crib, disfiguring it with burns.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:31 PM (MbrzC)
We all know his principal enemy is the America we love, not ISIS.
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 08:32 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:28 PM (oKE6c)
For $950 K you should get something better than lap dances.
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:32 PM (8zCR+)
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 08:32 PM (Uk9e2)
For past "misconduct"
Almost a million of that is the subject of these criminal charges
This isn't about the money. It is the administration wanting to reveal the underlying act. If they could've charged him with something on that they would have. Obviously they can't. Which means the statute of limitations has passed or some other bar to prosecution
It's in Illinois. Who is from Illinois? Who some how magically gets sealed court records and publishes them?
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (zOTsN)
Report back in a second.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (jBuUi)
950 trips to the Champagne Room, or so I've heard.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (sdi6R)
Don't forget sex dolls! Now with real flesh?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (XmOA9)
All the 'science' people want to ignore what humans have been eating for our entire existence.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (vmMMi)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:34 PM (rwI+c)
422 Opening a dust-covered bottle of Cuervo tequila from (trumpets blare) 1973!!!
Report back in a second.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (jBuUi)
Sharing is caring.
Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:31 PM (MbrzC)
But those cops had to get home to their families, feared for their lives, blah blah blah.
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (8zCR+)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (zOTsN)
Crap $1.79 tequila that was barely palatable in 1973 remains barely palatable in 2015.
It does not get better with age.
Ugh.
Also: Wham!
On the other hand, it is 90 proof, so feels like a burro kick to the cabeza.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Hand baby at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (8zCR+)
You make joke. 20's are FIVE times smaller than a 100 bill.
So $50K in 20's would be FIVE times a big. Hello.
I am not talking about small change here.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:28 PM
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No need for wiki
It's all here:
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2089603/hastert-indictment.txt
50k's - No legal problem but irs got curious
<10 - after they spooked him.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (MbrzC)
@RedStateJake 27m
#America's senior General says we had NO response plan for ISIL's takeover of Mosul.
http://to.pbs.org/1dAJBO2
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 08:36 PM (uctT+)
But mark singer has nice abs.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 08:36 PM (vmMMi)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:37 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 28, 2015 08:37 PM (BoJzR)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (zOTsN) "
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Time to gear up for the GOP's War On Boys.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (jBuUi)
Crap $1.79 tequila that was barely palatable in 1973 remains barely palatable in 2015.
It does not get better with age.
Ugh.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (jBuUi)/i]
Having had some experience with it in college, I'm afraid of tequila.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (sdi6R)
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Like vitamin D. Egg yolks and sunshine are cheap, easy, natural sources of vitamin D and we've been told to avoid them both.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 08:39 PM (r5Qcm)
Posted by: rickl
No, the biggest reason is so that they can remind everyone within earshot every 15 fucking minutes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 08:39 PM (uctT+)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (sdi6R)
442
Posted by: rickl
I can see that you're still tipsy from it, all these years later!
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:39 PM (jBuUi)
Now go read that atrocious article by Andy McCarthy in the sidebar labeled "Very good counterbalance" about the PArtiot Act.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 28, 2015 08:40 PM (xSCb6)
http://tinyurl.com/q2353xn
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 08:40 PM (F2IAQ)
The Russians will just bring some pigs.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:37 PM (rwI+c)
While they have accomplished many things in space, the Russians have an almost unbroken record of failure on Mars missions. It's really remarkable. They're jinxed or something.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:41 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 08:41 PM (W5DcG)
OK last one is BS. I simply take out cash slowly. I still think the assholes have me on their list.
Also, transferring funds from other accounts? Under $10K, I get cash.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:41 PM (0FSuD)
It does not get better with age.
It does if you pour it into those little oak kegs and can wait a few weeks. 2 of my brothers swear a cheap bottle of tequila gets better than most anything you can buy here. I hate the shit.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: rickl
No, the biggest reason is so that they can remind everyone within earshot every 15 fucking minutes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Hey, not all of us vegetarians are assholes.
SOme of us never ever bring it up in public.
I don't eat meat because I feel healthier when I avoid it.
But I'm not a vegetarian for political reasons.
And as for everyone else? Eat all the meat you want! Why should I care?
See?
I should start a blog: The Libertarian Vegetarian.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM "
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Yeah everytime I hear the safety of my officers or lines like that I want to bitch slap who ever is saying it.
They've abused that card like Rev Al has abused the race card, boys in blue who called wolf once too often.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (6H5fA)
The IRS would know (through the Currency Transaction Report process) that he regularly withdrew large amounts of cash. The IRS would then audit him, suspecting that the cash was being paid to someone else, to see if he'd filed Form 1099 on any "vendor" which received more than $600 in any given tax year.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 28, 2015 08:43 PM (a42f0)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:43 PM (6H5fA)
Posted by: Ben Had at May 28, 2015 08:44 PM (AI1gr)
Drew federal attention
Then drew out several small sums of money
Then was interviewed by the FBI
And lied to them somehow
They want to reveal what misconduct is worth 3.5 million
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (8zCR+)
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That I would absolutely totally believe, either because of incompetence or more likely a CIC that didn't want any focus paid to such problems what so ever.
Now if they said Baghdad that would, certainly at this point if not a year or two ago be worthy of some firings (besides the CIC which should go without saying).
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (MbrzC)
Thanks. Now I see why a safety deposit box is desirable.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 28, 2015 08:46 PM (BoJzR)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:46 PM (MbrzC)
And as for everyone else? Eat all the meat you want! Why should I care?
See?
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (jBuUi)/i]
Live and let live. What a radical concept.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:46 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Grey Fox
Cosmic coincidence!
Mine has a complicated backstory. Personally, I would never voluntarily go out and buy tequila, but this is part of an experiment.
For me, my liquor of choice is the unexpected...(drum roll)... rum!
No one ever says rum.
It's trendy to say whiskey and bourbon.
But a good rum is nature's way of saying "Get drunk."
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: donna at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (Bn6aD)
Again.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (sdi6R)
Do they have a plan for the possible evacuation of the embassy in Iraq, or is that considered too unlikely to spent time on?
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (KKMQQ)
They want to reveal what misconduct is worth 3.5 million
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (zOTsN)
Never talk to the feds without a lawyer present.
Posted by: Martha Stewart at May 28, 2015 08:48 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: rickl
Still tipsy, I see!
Man, that was some powerful tequila you drank back in college.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:48 PM (jBuUi)
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Good timing too, we all know how Barry likes to lash out when he's under pressure\criticism from the press.... oh look over here at this shiny object!
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:49 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:49 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:49 PM (zOTsN)
First, go to airport.
Second, get on airplane.
Third, airplane takes off and fly away to safety.
Fourth, have a parade and photo op.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:51 PM (KKMQQ)
Yes. Yes, it was.
"Huge crater"
I see bigger every morning when I shave.
Posted by: Robert Davi at May 28, 2015 08:51 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (KKMQQ) "
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No matter what anyone says I know for a fact they do, or I should say I know that in July of last year they did, along with the assets to effect that evac, one would imagine even a semi-sane administration\Pentagon has only sure'd up and refined such plans since then.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:52 PM (MbrzC)
Worlds going to hell in a hand basket and they dwell on this..... How about Hillary!
Posted by: donna at May 28, 2015 08:52 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 08:53 PM (uctT+)
Wait.
Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 08:53 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: John Boehnbag at May 28, 2015 08:54 PM (cIoI4)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:54 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 08:55 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:55 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:56 PM (MbrzC)
They should hit Dallas/Ft. Worth in the next couple of hours and later on pass through Austin, San Antonio, and Houston. OKC and Tulsa had storms this morning but may get hit again tonight.
I blame Bush.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 28, 2015 08:57 PM (0RdKg)
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:57 PM (jBuUi)
Strongly-worded e-mails take time to compose, you know.
Posted by: John "Metternich was an amateur" Kerry at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: freaked at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (JdEZJ)
If y'all want to get rid of BSA and its nosiness into things (I believe,
despite the day job) the Federal Gov't has no business in, the only way
to do so is to end the War on Drugs (hey, the WoD and BSA both come
from Nixon!!).
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:55 PM (WI6nT)
And the EPA! Why do leftists hate Nixon again?
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (8zCR+)
Posted by: Fiorina Lovecraft at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (3F6F8)
483 - You'll get no significant objection from me on ending the "War on Drugs", to quote Harry Reid "This war is lost".
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (MbrzC)
Never talk to the feds
Posted by: Martha Stewart at May 28, 2015 08:48 PM (wkuqO)......
18 USC § 1001
Posted by: Marovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 08:59 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Nope.
Close, but not quite.
While both made from sugar-cane, rum is aged, whereas cachaça is just fresh fermented juice.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:59 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: donna at May 28, 2015 08:59 PM (Bn6aD)
http://tinyurl.com/q2353xn
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 08:40 PM (F2IAQ)
LOL. That's like the tortoise vs. hare race.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:00 PM (sdi6R)
*screeching tires, sirens, lights*
"GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR OR I'LL BLOW YOUR GODDAMN HEAD OFF!"
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 28, 2015 09:00 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (JO9+V)
In my experience it's the vegans who are a$$holes. They confuse their eating habits with saving mother earth.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (q6kiT)
Ja, but after me, you've all got a stain on you. Bitte schoen.
Posted by: Adolf Hitler at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski
Yeah, they do.
They'll flap their arms like a goony bird and squawk, "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE, SQQQUUUAAAAAAWWWK!"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 09:02 PM (uctT+)
An hour and ten minutes, sadly. I would have liked to see the Model T win.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 28, 2015 09:02 PM (a42f0)
Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 09:02 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:03 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 28, 2015 09:02 PM (a42f0)
If the race was on roads the model T had to use the Tesla wouldn't make it to the first charging station.
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 09:04 PM (wkuqO)
DeLay and Gingrich and the rest of the 1990s crew had to know about the blackmail payments. Several key Democrats likely knew as well.
They all let this go, because Hastert's weakness was useful to them.
* so the real question is, why is our ruling elite playing this card NOW. Things must be really bad up on the Hill for this to be dredged out now (in public no less) and not, say, when Obamacare was being bulled through.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 09:04 PM (AVEe1)
*screeching tires, sirens, lights*
"GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR OR I'LL BLOW YOUR GODDAMN HEAD OFF!"
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 28, 2015 09:00 PM (oFCZn)
Well your availability of funds is proof of income inequality and White Privilege.
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:05 PM (8zCR+)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:05 PM (zOTsN)
If we don't have and enforce these drug laws, then people will use drugs and that will cause problems.
Wait."
Yeah, kind of a big joke. Oh, Prohibition, you taught us so much which we have forgotten.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:06 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 28, 2015 09:06 PM (DiZBp)
Yep. Trade bill? Trying to counter any charges against Hillary/Bill (pedo island)?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 09:07 PM (q6kiT)
Posted by: I think not at May 28, 2015 09:07 PM (6H5fA)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:07 PM (zOTsN)
I'm not going to say that the $10k target is valid or invalid, given my experience in handling SAR reporting.
I will say, however, that knowing for absolute certainty instances of institutional reporting wasn't forwarded in circumstances which were clearly suspicious (amounts, timing, transaction volumes), in addition to a request for information on transferring funds to a sanctioned country...
...something needs to be in place. Perhaps rather than auto-submission of transaction data, increased in-house diligence requirements upon institutions, with absolutely crushing Federal penalties in the event of criminal activity being facilitated through said service provider.
It is important to remember: as long as individuals have been writing checks, financial institutions have known your business. The indemnification of your promises to pay are backed upon a relinquishing of privacy. This can be mitigated by personal choice, or surrendered for purposes of convenience- that is the choice of the individual.
On the flip side, although the card is seldom played, institutions do have the right to deny service for cause. Banks and brokerages should be reminded of their ability to do so through leveraging the data and resources they have available.
Is it snooping? The teller in the branch knows your dumb enough to have five subscriptions for porn* the instant you swipe your card- you think it's hidden, yet they must have that data to do their job. If there's something they think is suspicious, the option should (and is) available for internal review- remove the mandate. Leave it in house, unless something is truly blatant. Teach those making the personal interactions how to effectively question by leading, rather than asking point blank. Create a higher level of boxes needing to be checked before submission to LE.
And let banks become comfortable with turning away business. If Habib walks in the door, wanting to send money to Tehran, don't permit prosecution for discrimination by closing his account- the bank isn't just fulfilling a legally stated fiduciary duty by challenging and reporting; they're making it harder on the potential perp by cutting off a means of transmission.
Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 09:08 PM (Stqj5)
If the race was on roads the model T had to use the Tesla wouldn't make it to the first charging station.
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 09:04 PM (wkuqO)
They had to take different routes because one route had more charging stations and the other had more gas stations.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:09 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:09 PM (MbrzC)
blackmail payments. Several key Democrats likely knew as well.
According to someone above, the payments didn't begin until Hastert became a lobbyist...which was after his retirement in 2007.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:10 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: BFDEAL at May 28, 2015 09:10 PM (aHX05)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:12 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:14 PM (zOTsN)
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IDK, didn't get there way on Patriot act? Trying to scare a couple people whom they have the goods on into line? They're likely voting again Sunday evening. That plus distraction?
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:14 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:14 PM"
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Well ok, so Denny liked little boys when he was a teacher, color me oh so shocked, not.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:16 PM (MbrzC)
Gee, sucking little boy's penis' sure is expensive.
I wonder if there's a Republican out there with the stones to go after Clinton for "structuring."
Posted by: someguy at May 28, 2015 09:16 PM (3z91g)
But yeah this is total bullshit. Not that the law matters anymore since those in charge do whatever they want anyway. Our friggin government has gone feral.
Posted by: prophet at May 28, 2015 09:17 PM (Nk5Nk)
Who started blackmailing him at the same time the Sandusky shit was hitting the fan
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:17 PM (zOTsN)
Was what Hastert did something like UNDERAGE DOMINICAN HOOKERS!! Some reports are saying he withdrew close to one million
Or are we leaning more towards a Bill Cosby or Larry Craig kind of thing?
Hastret was the longest serving GOP Leader of the House of Representatives
3rd in line to the POTUS
Posted by: righter at May 28, 2015 09:17 PM (r6HrP)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:14 PM (zOTsN)
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These guys always go Afghani.
Posted by: Archbishop Weakland at May 28, 2015 09:18 PM (3F6F8)
Posted by: righter at May 28, 2015 09:19 PM (r6HrP)
There's another story out there?
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 09:20 PM (KKMQQ)
It's those cases where the line officers told BSA/Compliance to go suck an egg because they weren't losing this account that led to the multi-million (or, in the case of HSBA, $1.92 billion) fines.
US-based banks get it. Euro-based banks operating in the US think that they can apply Euro rules (i.e. nudg-nudge, wink-wink, say no more) here in the US. Right or wrong (and I'm clear where I stand on BSA), if you are that aggressively stupid, you will get beaten.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:20 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:20 PM (zOTsN)
Check the manifests for Epstein's Pedo Island!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:20 PM (6H5fA)
528 My money's on live boy
Who started blackmailing him at the same time the Sandusky shit was hitting the fan
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:17 PM (zOTsN)
What if this the start of a rat-out cascade, an avalanche of revealed secrets that cripples the Empire?
Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 09:21 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:21 PM (6H5fA)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:21 PM (WI6nT)
(For you LibTards, legally, currently, minors (like animals, machines, space aliens no matter how hawt) cannot legally consent to sexual acts.)
How else to explain everything they do to retard the aspirations of heterosexuals who want to marry and have a family?
Posted by: Steve White, like, white, really white but not racist, not into BL at May 28, 2015 09:21 PM (Cmzkp)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:22 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:22 PM (8zCR+)
This will not do anything other than damage republicans
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:22 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (6H5fA)
Posted by: Steve White, like, white, really white but not racist, not into BL at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (Cmzkp)
The whole damned game is rotten beyond belief.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (dvoaF)
sewage shut off so nothing can be flushed or if it is its still in the
pipes."
Heard that as well. They will do it for those very reasons.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (laa9h)
And who probably reminded Hastert that he would know him for all of *Hastert's* life.
Posted by: Not sayin', just sayin' at May 28, 2015 09:24 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 28, 2015 09:25 PM (39g3+)
Oth, shouldn't we replace the actuyal cocksuckers we elect with R with folks who are heteronormative?
I mean, you want to win elections AND replace the god-like Evolutionary theory in the pantheon of our antagonists?
Posted by: Steve White, like, white, really white but not racist, not into BL at May 28, 2015 09:25 PM (Cmzkp)
Posted by: righter at May 28, 2015 09:19 PM (r6HrP)
Who was defending him shithead?
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:25 PM (8zCR+)
sewage shut off so nothing can be flushed or if it is its still in the
pipes."
Heard that as well. They will do it for those very reasons.
Always one flush left, and digging up the sewer would be pretty obvious.
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 09:25 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Larry Craig, his stance wide at May 28, 2015 09:26 PM (SebRf)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 09:26 PM (1b8au)
Provably water-tight containers buried in your backyard, filled with cash obtained in everyday transactions (i.e. not taken out at the bank).
That said, when you roll in with bills 30+ years old, you will generate a SAR.
One can accumulate wealth through barter and that is still untraceable. Accumulating cash is a non-starter these days.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:26 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:27 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (6H5fA)
That is pretty dirt cheap for a new car in 2015.
I bought a new Mazda 5 last year for about $19,100. And Mazdas are on the low end of the price spectrum.
Of course, the Model T didn't have all of the modern safety and environmental regulations to deal with.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:27 PM (sdi6R)
The whole damned game is rotten beyond belief.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (dvoaF)
You are only supposed to take money out of a savings account no more than maybe six times a month? I don't know why.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:27 PM (vmMMi)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:28 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:28 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:29 PM (MDgS8)
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Affirmative defense - I'm a Democrat
Not-guilty, next case please...
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (6H5fA)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (q20+R)
Hmmm... I'm thinking....
What's in it for me?
Posted by: current member of the Parliament of Whores at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (Cmzkp)
sewage shut off so nothing can be flushed or if it is its still in the
pipes."
Heard that as well. They will do it for those very reasons."
Which, of course, sort of kills the whole "exigent circumstances, they might destroy the evidence!!!!!!!!" justification used for the raid, as opposed to the normal execution of a search pursuant to a warrant....but hey, technicalities.
Posted by: The 4th Amendment, whispering "Avenge me!" at May 28, 2015 09:31 PM (amQXf)
Nip, you can accumulate some large in small bills over time. It takes some work but you will be under the radar, so to speak.
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (8zCR+)
True. Anything under a $50 is a waste of time. $100 are the currency of choice when shit hits the fan. I am talking six figures.
A $100 will be worth a $20 then.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 09:31 PM (0FSuD)
No evil intent for gov't here. Savings accounts are not intended to have multiple withdrawal transactions in any given month. Banks must post reserves at their closest Federal Reserve Bank against transaction accounts (i.e. checking accounts) to ensure sufficient liquidity to clear checks drawn against them. That calculation excludes savings accounts from the balances to be reserved against on the theory that they're not transaction accounts.
Banks are required by the Fed to convert savings accounts that have 6 or more withdrawals in 2 consecutive months into transaction accounts subject to the Fed reserve requirements.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:31 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (q20+R)
I would agree, considering that the dugger stuff doesn't seem as serious as presented, however when you start paying hush money in the millions that ups the probability that it's something serious...
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:33 PM (vmMMi)
Hoarders and wreckers cannot be tolerated, comrade.
Posted by: Totally not Lavrenti Beria...swearsies at May 28, 2015 09:33 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 09:33 PM (0FSuD)
I noticed in a review of the P85 it was very fast but a complete *disaster* on the figure 8. It appears to have a weight transfer problem.
Posted by: Marovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 28, 2015 09:34 PM (bLnSU)
I had my debit card linked to my checking account and overdraft protection linked to one of my other accounts which was a savings account which to me seems like a perfectly fucking rational thing to do but fuck no because government.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:34 PM (dvoaF)
It's true, Denny Hastert is a sleezy kind of guy, and I would never associate with any person who conducted himself as did Denny Hastert. And that goes for Carl Rove too, who has a few skeleton's in his closet.
Posted by: BillyBob Clinton at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (P330y)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Al "Fuck the IRS" Sharpton at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (fWLrt)
https://tinyurl.com/qeoer3z
"The natural hatred of the Mussulmen towards the infidels is in accordance with the precepts of the Koran."
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: The Media at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (bLnSU)
I had my debit card linked to my checking account and overdraft protection linked to one of my other accounts which was a savings account which to me seems like a perfectly fucking rational thing to do but fuck no because government.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:34 PM (dvoaF)
Were you needing overdraft protection six times a month though?
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (vmMMi)
doesn't seem as serious as presented, however when you start paying hush
money in the millions that ups the probability that it's something
serious...
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:33 PM (vmMMi)
It may be serious, but in all honesty, we have no idea what serious thing it is. I prefer not to speculate or accuse people of child sex abuse without knowing some actual facts.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (dvoaF)
Posted by: prophet at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (Nk5Nk)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at May 28, 2015 09:37 PM (fO0en)
Posted by: The Media at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (amQXf)
Well, according to you hacktastic fucks, yes. But there's a reason the majority of the public no longer trust you to tell the truth...
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:37 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (q20+R)
This is true. Many rumors turn out to be false.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:38 PM (vmMMi)
Posted by: Roy at May 28, 2015 09:38 PM (fWLrt)
Yes, the Burning Times will be all about commodities....commodities.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:38 PM (laa9h)
FRB Regulation D limits the number of transactions from a savings account to 6 before it must be reclassified as a transaction account.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:39 PM (WI6nT)
Or something else.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:39 PM (vmMMi)
Yes.
I travel frequently for business and money gets direct deposited into my savings account and I simply don't have the time to bank while working.
And why the hell is it any business of the government what I want to do with my money?
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:39 PM (dvoaF)
This is shaping up like Ace Himself meant it to be a referendum, as it were, on the SoCons v. BeastLove/BL contingents of our bicoastal + heartland bloc.
Who d'ya figger will survive?
Need a clue?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/opzjxnh
You're welcome.
Posted by: just a guy who understands our Ace is awesome and intellectually generous at May 28, 2015 09:40 PM (Cmzkp)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 09:40 PM (KKMQQ)
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premature factulation
Posted by: Roy at May 28, 2015 09:38 PM (fWLrt)
on the internets it is "premature e-factulation"
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 09:41 PM (kCLGY)
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:39 PM (dvoaF)
Because according to the government, it really isn't your money. It's theirs.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:41 PM (q20+R)
"I had my debit card linked to my checking account and overdraft protection linked to one of my other accounts which was a savings account which to me seems like a perfectly fucking rational thing to do but fuck no because government."
No, a perfectly fucking rational thing to do is to not write promises to pay (checks, debit, ATM, ACH) that your checking account cannot handle.
Margins are important, and the need for them is the exact reason why, as CN explained, the transaction limit exists.
Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 09:42 PM (Stqj5)
are the currency of choice when shit hits the fan. I am talking six
figures.
A $100 will be worth a $20 then.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 09:31 PM (0FSuD)
You are missing the point. When TSHTF I'd rather have 20 five dollar bills than a hundo.
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (8zCR+)
It's rather odd that liberals are wigged out crazy over the Dugger affair, but somehow deemed Bill Clinton who molested numerous women and possibly raped Kathleen Willey as the gold standard for personal behavior.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (P330y)
Hoist on his own Picard. As they say.
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: George Snuffalufagous at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (8zCR+)
****
Yep. If you only have $100s, everything will cost at least $100.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (3F6F8)
This is the same woman who led the N Korea negotiations under Clinton.
She had no business doing anything w/Iran after that, she's a DC crony.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (q6kiT)
I noticed in a review of the P85 it was very fast but a complete *disaster* on the figure 8. It appears to have a weight transfer problem.
Posted by: Marovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 28, 2015 09:34 PM (bLnSU)
I linked this article last night:
https://tinyurl.com/mapu5tl
It didn't mention the figure 8 problem. but if I had the money, I'd definitely buy a Tesla.
And if I was a handsome stud, Scarlett Johansen would be my girlfriend.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (sdi6R)
That rule has been on the books for at least 40 years and would have been disclosed to you in the booklet you likely threw away when you opened the account. Hate it all you want, but it's there and not going away. OD Protection is supposed to cover an oopsie now and then; not to be a daily feature.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (MDgS8)
Not much but if I understood his explanation it sounds like for reporting purposes banks/government want to have some stability in what they are reporting on and they base that reporting largely on non-transaction accounts. Sounds like they want fairly static figures to report rather than swings up/down.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:46 PM (laa9h)
When TSHTF I'd rather have 20 five dollar bills than a hundo.
Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (8zCR+)
^^This.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:47 PM (sdi6R)
Margins for whom?
This is federal law and not bank regulations.
Then why allow overdraft protection linked to savings accounts at all?
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:47 PM (dvoaF)
I'd rather have 500 rounds of 7.62.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:47 PM (6H5fA)
And if I was a handsome stud, Scarlett Johansen would be my girlfriend.
I'd go for Lindsay Lohan and the danger factor. She's finally off probation BTW.
I'll put her on probation IYKWIMAITTYD.
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:48 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 28, 2015 09:48 PM (hCdMd)
majority of the public no longer trust you to tell the truth..."
Trust us, don't trust us. We don't care. We still control the narrative - and that lets us sell you bullshit disguised as Egyptian cotton.
Posted by: The Media at May 28, 2015 09:48 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 09:49 PM (1b8au)
Posted by: Nip Sip
What asshole would willing break your $100 bill?
No one.
SILVER DIMES, BITCHES!!!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 09:49 PM (uctT+)
I'd laugh, if it weren't so fucking representative.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:49 PM (q20+R)
YOUR money? No, no, no. OUR money. We just let you borrow it.
Posted by: The Government at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (hCdMd)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (MDgS8)
Eh, there's a built-in hate for the Duggars - the Left sees them as icky Christians and weirdos for having a lot of kids, homeschooling, and restrictive social standards (IIRC, no sex before marriage) - and then there's the fact that Josh Duggar was working for the Family Research Council, an organization they could not hate more. This scandal hits the sweet spot for them, so of course they're loving it.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (q6kiT)
Which story gets more play on the nightly news?
This one about Hastert's monetary shenanigans? Or the one about Bill Clinton playing monetary shenanigans with his shell corporation?
Extra credit: Which one affects your life more & why?
Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (1WydT)
This is federal law and not bank regulations.
Then why allow overdraft protection linked to savings accounts at all?
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:47 PM (dvoaF)
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Banks have to keep an on deposit to on loan factor, which is currently 10 to 1 I believe. So, they can loan out 10K If you keep 1k on deposit. They strongly factor in savings accounts in this equation as this money moves much less than a transactional account like checking.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 09:51 PM (XrHO0)
Dennis: Yes, I do. Sadly, your "society" frowns upon such relationships
Posted by: Scene from a Dennis Hastert Date at May 28, 2015 09:52 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:55 PM (q20+R)
Judge Scullin Orders D.C. to Issue Concealed Carry Permits Immediately
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 09:55 PM (uctT+)
As a side note, if Geller ever holds a "caricature Jesus" contest, we will PICKET her sorry ass with signs reading "GOD HATES PAMELA". Take that, you miserable heretic!
Posted by: Fred Waldron Phelps at May 28, 2015 09:55 PM (cIoI4)
Which was fine and dandy when everyone paid everything with checks. But with autopay, if a paycheck doesn't clear in time, and multiple bills come due for autopay on the same day, OBVIOUSLY no bank would ever think to impose multiple overdrafts - and thus multiple overdraft charges, thus requiring multiple overdraft protection payments.
Posted by: The world is always fair at May 28, 2015 09:55 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (WI6nT)
Yeah. I know this isn't a personal finance blog so I wasn't going to really get into it, but that's not really the best way to use od protection.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:56 PM (vmMMi)
Just saying.
You and I know if we actually are perverts.
They're pervs and on-the-air.
Posted by: Steve White, trained deadly philosopher, including + logic at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (Cmzkp)
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Well I'd agree, but.... agreed to pay 3.5mil, didn't report the blackmail attempt, ex teacher, wrestling coach, otherwise known corrupt dc jackal, person being paid from home town and known since early in his life, timing that it started. We'll see, but whatever it is, it's serious (or hastert is an absolute moron to pay 3.5m to try and keep it quite), and great setup\teaser for the press.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Sanders-Obama For President Foever at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (nwnmt)
Posted by: Steve White, trained deadly philosopher, including + logic at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (Cmzkp)
Detroit : Unfinished prison (construction halted, not expected to ever restart) costing city 1.2 million dollars a month. (no end in sight).
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 09:58 PM (KKMQQ)
We were redistricted into his district. Seemed honest and OK until he neared retirement and bought land that a new interstate was going thru.
Made some big bucks. Guess maybe he was always crooked.
Of course I'll bet Harry Reid makes him look like a piker.
Posted by: Farmer at May 28, 2015 09:58 PM (o/90i)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 28, 2015 09:59 PM (0NdlF)
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Wow so not even the WH's own hand picked negotiator wants to handle the level of BS the White House is going to move forward with?
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:59 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:00 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:01 PM (Uk9e2)
Half way there.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (0FSuD)
Good for you. Come hyper-inflation you can buy taxi fare to the Starbucks.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:01 PM (t//F+)
Similarly, you want cop-killers to spring b/c of a technicality?
Good luck with that. Pretty soon he or she will be the provost of the school your kid attends at $20k/pa (i.e., $5k+ pa debt).
"You want to teach? Kneel before Moloch! Else YOU WILL FAIL MY TEST!"
Posted by: Steve White, trained deadly philosopher, including + logic at May 28, 2015 10:01 PM (Cmzkp)
If I were elected those fcukers would be destitute because the revolving door between congress and the whores on K street would be closed.
Then, and only then, when they were poor, would I go after them with criminal indictments.
And the best part? Guantanamo? No, we aren't closing it....we're making it a political crimes prison.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (Zu3d9)
More red/orange now than purple. But, there is a growing amount of
yellow/orange forming behind the initial line.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (laa9h)
Yeah, we're gonna get hit with something. It may not be awful, but there will be rain for sure and behind that line, definitely stuff forming like you said.
BTW, do you want another case of apricot jam this year? Not sure if I can bang one out before I go on vacation, but maybe.... I may even slip in a strawberry for ya just for grins.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Jake Blues at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Anti-socialist at May 28, 2015 10:03 PM (+kznc)
level of BS the White House is going to move forward with?
The worst line of the story is this:
"Sherman, who jetted off to Switzerland Wednesday for talks with the
Iranian regime, has until a self-imposed June 30 deadline to seal a
comprehensive agreement with the Ayatollah."
Um, why should the deal deadline be driven by the date of her departure?
I don't think things should be rushed, maybe into a bad decision, just because this scrunt is resigning.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 10:03 PM (q6kiT)
Posted by: Steve White, trained deadly philosopher, including + logic at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (Cmzkp)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (sdi6R)
.......
I questioned your judgment then thought maybe you were being clever with a horse joke....if it's the latter I'm laughing.
Posted by: Molly k. at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (zS+qK)
because the revolving door between congress and the whores on K street
would be closed.
Then, and only then, when they were poor, would I go after them with criminal indictments.
And the best part? Guantanamo? No, we aren't closing it....we're making it a political crimes prison.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (Zu3d9)
OK, you win. *raises Old Fashioned in tribute*
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:01 PM (t//F+)
Heh. Man those stories about people shoving shopping carts of cash and wallpapering the house do come to mind. I'm sure Obamas got no idea any of that happened.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (vmMMi)
It is not Federal statutory law. It is a regulation (Federal Reserve Bank Regulation D) issued by the Fed under the authority granted to it by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. I'm not here to argue any of the underlying issues about the Fed (and there are many) but, instead, to explain the why and how of Reg D.
Nothing in our monetary system happens without somehow coursing through the Fed (again, not the place for value judgments). Reg D is old, enacted far before the instant transaction and settlement of bank-to-bank transactions that happens today. Reg D required banks to keep (in cash or on deposit at their local Fed) a portion of the total balance of transaction accounts so that when things went tits up there was some local bank cash backing things before the Fed had to accept the liability. Part of that deal was making a definition between a transactional account (a checking account) that would have daily balance swings and transactions flowing through the Fed and a non-transactional account (the savings passbook you brought in every month to get the interest posted to it).
The Fed cares about stability. To do so it needs to know "what is the potential volatile money". Reg D defines same. Reg D also says that you can make all of the in-person transactions you care to make, but "automatic" transactions are limited to 6 per month, which is what the Fed decided was the threshold between transactional and non-transactional. While your single account misuse adds nothing to Fed risk, once multiplied by thousands serious risk arises, again explaining Reg D.
From your posts it appears that your core mistake is having your paycheck direct-deposited to your savings account, which means you are treating your savings account as your main transaction account and is the exact behaviour Reg D is designed to catch. Deposit it to your checking account and your issue goes away.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:05 PM (WI6nT)
Sure. Absolutely no hurry whatsoever. If/when you feel like it.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (laa9h)
Okay....you seem to be comfortable with rye and bourbon.
The Sazerac: God's gift to cocktails.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (Zu3d9)
Do Dems just not give a shit about anything but their own pathetic sex lives, cash, and votes?
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (MDgS8)
Might want to clarify that you mean Republicans. Might I suggest voting for "The G(R)OPE?"
Posted by: Dennis Hastert at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (K+RBk)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (laa9h)
If I don't get it knocked out by vacation, I'll have er done for ya by early August. Do you have any jars saved from last year's batch, or should I buy a new pack?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (q20+R)
Could be. Is he a politician?
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:00 PM (MDgS
I get your point, but he always squeaky clean until he neared retirement. I'm maybe a bit naïve in that I think some politicians are honest.
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Posted by: Farmer at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (o/90i)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (Zu3d9)
I am always a little leery of "crimes against the state", but I think your heart is in the right place! Now if you made Guantanamo a prison for politicians, that I could support!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (ftVQq)
I thought the self imposed deadline on a deal with Iran came down from Obama,
Oops, guess I misread it!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (q6kiT)
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (sdi6R)
.......
I questioned your judgment then thought maybe you were being clever with a horse joke....if it's the latter I'm laughing.
Posted by: Molly k. at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (zS+qK)
I actually prefer zaftig brunettes, but I couldn't think of a name off the top of my head.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (sdi6R)
Somebody is making some sense:
https://tinyurl.com/qb8fh4d
*Trigger warning: Firing squads and guillotines are mentioned.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (laa9h)
Nope
Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (sQzB6)
Not at all - we're really, really, REALLY into controlling all aspect of your pathetic little existences as well.
Posted by: The Dems at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (amQXf)
Don't forget: they also like to collect taxes- you can't get to $10 in interest on the year if you're constantly taking that shit out.
Then again, at current rates, you owe the bank $10 a year just for the paper your statement is printed on.
re: the * from 517 (because I forgot the punchline) and "overdraft oopsies":
Once had to handle a "client" who was flipping out, referring to his daughter as a bitch, repeatedly and with volume, to one of my associates and making her uncomfortable with his tone and level of excited-ness based on "excessive" overdraft fees.
Walk into the cube, review the history. Daughter had been reportedly told to buy one "sammich" at BK, "and the fat bitch bought two", causing the account to go into the red, which then spiraled when three packs of cigarettes on the same day from three separate vendors kicked in as well.
Now, while all this shit is cascading, I can't help but see the descriptor "EPOCH.COM" charging $24.95 four times per month.
For the uninitiated: Epoch is the card service provider for Bangbros (and a host of other such peddlers).
The conversation (after having ushered said client into my office and closed the door):
"Sir, I understand the concern for fees, and the situation with your daughter. However, I would like to ask- I'm seeing the firm 'EPOCH.COM' on your account repeatedly for $25 each month- is this being billed correctly? If not, that may be the root of the problem."
"They subscriptions- and none of your bidness!"
"But sir- I'm asking..."
"I said it's none of your bidness!"
"...because you get all of the sites for one monthly charge- that's why they call it 'the BangBros *Network*'."
"IT IS NONE OF YO...
...did you say 'all of them'?"
"Yes. You pay one monthly charge, and you get all the sites. Now, I can't offer to reimburse you any of your service charges today- but, for instance, should they reimburse you a couple of those monthly fees, we can have a conversation at a later time."
"So you telling me I'm paying four times a month when I can only pay one time a month and get it all?"
"That is my understanding."
I like to think that I didn't save the bank reimbursements for invalid charges, but instead saved his right hand from extra work- beating his kid, and working off a $100/mo porn habit.
Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (Stqj5)
The Sazerac: God's gift to cocktails.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (Zu3d9)
Sazerac...without looking, isn't that the one that has Peychaud bitters? I have those...love them. I actually use them in place of Angostura/Orange in my old fashioneds.
I have yet to try that recipe you sent me. I *finally* found the Maraschino liqueur in my store, just need to save up a few bucks to buy it. It's about 30 bucks for 750ml.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:10 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (ftVQq)
I will edit my political manifesto to reflect this correction.
I will, of course, remove all air conditioning, TV, libraries, sports and entertainment equipment.
They can jerk off and run around a dirt track for entertainment.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:10 PM (Zu3d9)
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That's what sad, you know it's coming.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:10 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (Uk9e2)
No I don't. What does a tray of those things cost at the grocery store?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (laa9h)
Yep, it looks like it's going to be another long night of rain. The storm is one big mass from just west of Ft. Worth to a little east of Lubbock.
We got some strong winds after midnight the another night. Lots of trees and branches downed in the neighborhood, including a good-sized live oak that was snapped in half just five houses down from us. It woke me up and I grabbed Mrs. Hobbit and hunkered down in a bathroom in the middle of the house.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (0RdKg)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Nah, waste of good land that should properly be used as a rest and recoup resort for the armed forces and vets.
The pol-cats should be forced to actually "serve" their fellow citizens for a change. Either as a pro-bono lawyers or a credit counselor in the poorest neighborhoods.
For a decade or nine.
Oh, and Insty's post-office tax plan applies as well; 50% rate for 10 years.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (uctT+)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (Zu3d9)
The granddaddy of cocktails. You have my respect.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:12 PM (BZAd3)
Not at all - we're really, really, REALLY into controlling all aspect of your pathetic little existences as well.
Posted by: The Dems
Speak for your self. I'm good with the sex and cash.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 28, 2015 10:12 PM (sQzB6)
No I don't. What does a tray of those things cost at the grocery store?
Without even knowing what you're talking about I'd guess 5$ a lb. no matter what it is.
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:13 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (BZAd3)
More of a tease than a warning.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:13 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (BZAd3)
More of a tease than a warning.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:13 PM (XmOA9)
From the article:
"The Tesla would not go up against a new car, which would enjoy a de facto head start thanks to more than a century of development."
Except that electric cars were invented before gas cars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car
1885 - "[Benz's] first Motorwagen was built in 1885 in Mannheim, Germany."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle
1884 - "English inventor Thomas Parker ... built the first production electric car in London in 1884"
So basically they put a 100 year handicap on the gas car for no reason.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (Uk9e2)
My rights stop at the end of your nose.
Similarly, yours.
CFJs? Burn them at the stake. No trial/no problem.
How many kids do you have?
He who finishes with the most grandchildren wins.
News to you?
Have a vasectomy, or get busy.
Posted by: Steve W., like really old school, heard of the Magna Carta, You? at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (Cmzkp)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:13 PM (XmOA9)
Just covering the bases.
Some of the letters to the editor are pretty good.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (BZAd3)
charges, but instead saved his right hand from extra work- beating his
kid, and working off a $100/mo porn habit."
Quite the humanitarian.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (laa9h)
Oops, guess I misread it!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (q6kiT)
The article isn't really clear. Makes it sound like the chief negotiate imposed on herself the end of June deadline. But the stories I remember back when Obama was demanding something from congress, what ever it was, that Obama had a deadline, that got moved when congress didn't give him what he wanted.
I can't imagine the chief negotiator imposing a deadline. That's something the president would do, I would think, as part of the negotiating tactics. But it's Obama.. . and I'm a nobody.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: Milton Berle at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (MDgS8)
Judge Scullin Orders D.C. to Issue Concealed Carry Permits Immediately
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Following judges orders is like the Constitution it's so passe, I mean what are they really gonna do if I just don't do what they say? Have Congress impeach me? Ha ha ha, bring it!
Posted by: Barry the Great at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (K+RBk)
So I walk in and close all the accounts and they were pretty floored that a customer of 22 years fired them as his bank.
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (hCdMd)
Num 6,24-25
Posted by: Steve W., like really old school, heard of the Magna Carta, You? at May 28, 2015 10:16 PM (Cmzkp)
Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 10:16 PM (Stqj5)
We sure don't need that. Creek's back down but shit.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:16 PM (laa9h)
I think Hillary selling off 50% of US uranium mining rights to Russia kinda settles that once and for all.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (q6kiT)
Huzzah!
Yeah, the maraschino is expensive. Maybe it's available in the little bottles, so you can try it in a couple of drinks and see whether you like it.
http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/maraschino/2/usa
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (Zu3d9)
good for city errands, no emissions for all those historic city centers in Europe wherever, but not much else, and certainly not for interstate freewheeling in the US of A
they're a bicycle version of a car
meh
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (Uk9e2)
An Illinois politician. I hate Illinois politicians.
Posted by: Jake Blues at May 28, 2015 10:02
Born and bred in rural IL and I can tell you all kinds of stories about crooked IL politicians.
It fortunately affects us less in the hinterlands. Cept now the state is bankrupt. Yiipeee!
Posted by: Farmer at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (o/90i)
Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (K+RBk)
****
Cool. This time the Muzzie shitheads will probably import suicide shooters from Dallas.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (XrHO0)
*finally* found the Maraschino liqueur in my store, just need to save up
a few bucks to buy it. It's about 30 bucks for 750ml.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm)
Try making real Maraschino cherries. Completely different than the clown nose red things sold in the grocery store.
Posted by: Aviator at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (sQzB6)
Ball canning jars. I guess there's 12-18 in a stack.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Jen Psocki at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (Uk9e2)
I've never had the face-to-face (I got out of banking and into regulation before the 'Net) but when it gets ugly and I need (in the day job) to grab someone's personal financial records there's always a monthly charge of that nature.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (WI6nT)
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If it's a legit technically\fuck-up? Absolutely.
Posted by: Barry the Great at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (K+RBk)
****
Cool. This time the Muzzie shitheads will probably import suicide shooters from Dallas."
They will have to hurry to beat the police shooters.
Posted by: Hassan bin Layyed at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 28, 2015 10:20 PM (0RdKg)
Excellent point. I will nominate you for Secretary of Sticking It To The Previous Politicians.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:20 PM (Zu3d9)
No I don't. What does a tray of those things cost at the grocery store?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (laa9h)
Aw heck, I dunno...probably about a buck a jar or less. 10-12 per dozen and I think I can get 10-11 jars out of a batch. Whatever we decided on price for last year will be the same this year if I buy new jars.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:21 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 28, 2015 10:21 PM (KCxzN)
Heh. Man those stories about people shoving
shopping carts of cash and wallpapering the house do come to mind. I'm
sure Obamas got no idea any of that happened.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (vmMMi)
Post revolutionary France, Weimar Germany, Bulgaria, Mexico, Brazil, Brazil,Brazil, Argentina.
I got interested in Hyper-inflation when I wound up with a handful of Argie "Australes" and realized the 5-Austral pieces came in 2 sizes, with the dates only a few years apart and I knew they used the Peso.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:21 PM (t//F+)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:22 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Jen Psocki at May 28, 2015 10:23 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 28, 2015 10:23 PM (zauWW)
I don't think things should be rushed, maybe into a bad decision, just because this scrunt is resigning.
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Because they are either going too...
a) Use it as cover to extend the deadline yet again.
b) Blame any non-deal on her if it all falls apart.
c) Use it as a partial excuse as to why they agree to everything Iran wants and promise to fix it later somehow.
d) all of the above
e) all of the above and more sh1t we can't even fathom.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: I'm a drinker, not a thinker at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (D0Tns)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (laa9h)
You do realize that without guys like that they're going to start expecting everyone to pay for porn?
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (nFdGS)
You sure don't know how to vote, voting for elitist dirt bags like these !
Posted by: ron n. at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (YVQn/)
No, I'm a state-level regulator. That said, we have cultivated as many Federal connections as possible (they pay the tuition for many of our training classes).
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:25 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:25 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:26 PM (KKMQQ)
available in the little bottles, so you can try it in a couple of drinks
and see whether you like it.
http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/maraschino/2/usa
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (Zu3d9)
Unfortunately, at my likker store, they only sell one brand...Luxardo...and it's in the big bottle. No biggie, I was just glad to finally find it. It took me three trips to the store to finally locate it. The other times I ended up with gin and bourbon and wine and vodka and vermouth and...
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:26 PM (q20+R)
My wife deals with FINRA and the SEC every day.
She is not a fan.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:26 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: GT 5.0 at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (Nk0GK)
I like to think that I didn't save the bank reimbursements for invalid charges, but instead saved his right hand from extra work- beating his kid, and working off a $100/mo porn habit.
Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (Stqj5)
Dude was a fuckin' idiot.
In this day and age, who the hell PAYS for internet porn?????
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (ynQIy)
Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (q20+R)
Of course you do on the coasts. Doesn't everyone there suck cock? Of course not. Hence, immigration anarchy.
Posted by: Like, an ejaculation monitor, as it were at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (Cmzkp)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (laa9h)
good for city errands, no emissions for all those historic city centers in Europe wherever, but not much else, and certainly not for interstate freewheeling in the US of A
they're a bicycle version of a car
meh
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (Uk9e2)
Yeah, that's the case for almost all electric cars. They're designed for short trips in cities. They're perfectly adequate at what they do.
But the Tesla is an altogether different beast. It is a high performance car that is at its best on the open road.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (sdi6R)
I know this is a bit personal, and I understand if you don't want to answer.
But...what do you use...rye or bourbon, and what kind?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (Zu3d9)
Aww, shit. I think I blacked out for a second. I was imagining someone stupid enough to start talking about some retarded website called "the chive" in public. Holy crap, I'm glad I was hallucinating.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (Q819Q)
Luxardo is the best one, at least to my palate.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:29 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Golfman at May 28, 2015 10:30 PM (48QDY)
No, we were talking about money. We've been talking about money. It's always about the money.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:30 PM (KKMQQ)
it is also a 2A demonstration also, muzzies won't do shit cuz bikers will fukk them up.
muzzies generally target the weak/sheep
the only people who fuck with 300 pound bikers is other bikers
Posted by: I'm a drinker, not a thinker at May 28, 2015 10:30 PM (D0Tns)
Ewww. The ickiest kind.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM
My in-laws who lived all their lives in Chicago and the burbs retired to the Phoenix area.
She got involved in the local school district stuff as a voluteer. She was amazed how corrupt it was, and she worked in the school system in IL.
My response...and you are from Chicago?
Posted by: Farmer at May 28, 2015 10:30 PM (o/90i)
Don't know much about it, but, it's a good looking car. TopGear tested some hybrid Ferrari/Lambo/McClaren something that was absolutely mind blowing.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:31 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:31 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: The Caveman Circus at May 28, 2015 10:31 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 28, 2015 10:32 PM (Q819Q)
But...what do you use...rye or bourbon, and what kind?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (Zu3d9)
In my Old Fashioned? Bulleit Rye. In a Manhattan I prefer Maker's bourbon.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:32 PM (q20+R)
Well, our show has been out of production and in syndication for years now, but thank you! Always great to hear from our fans!
Posted by: Courtney Cox and David Schwimmer at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (Q819Q)
Marry me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (Zu3d9)
Yeah, I guess it's everywhere. You like to think we're a better country than Mexico or Guatemala or Burkina Faso but a lot of the same shit goes on here as there.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (laa9h)
$15 for a flat of 12 on Amazon new, more expensive other places, WalMart has Chinese jars cheaper.
Wrong time of the year to buy them at thrift shops and honestly they are spendy there too.
Don't bother buying extra rings, just extra dome lids. Rings don't wear out, and they break less often than even the jars.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (t//F+)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at May 28, 2015 10:34 PM (Dwehj)
This create a perverse incentive for the state to not teach kids anything about economics and finance.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 28, 2015 10:36 PM (zauWW)
The Hastert Rule.
John Boner need not fear them coming after him.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 28, 2015 10:36 PM (V70Uh)
But only the punch line.
"no thanks, if six shots won't kill the taste....."
Posted by: The Caveman Circus at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (XmOA9)
But only the punch line.
"no thanks, if six shots won't kill the taste....."
Posted by: The Caveman Circus at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (Dwehj)
And mostly guaranteed to probably not have previously been filled with radioactive cyanide, too!
Posted by: Chinese Jars and Lace Wigs at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 28, 2015 10:38 PM (0RdKg)
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 10:38 PM (vmMMi)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (hCdMd)
Used to have my checking at Wells Fargo years ago. Went in to deposit a check, and while the teller is doing the data entry, the manager comes walking by and looks over the teller's shoulder, reads my info, and starts trying to get me to open a savings account as well. I just want to make a deposit and be on my way, but this scrunt is blabbing on about how I REALLY need a savings account. There's a line of people listening to her as she's READING SHIT FROM MY ACCOUNT OUT LOUD.
Cur says....loudly..... "Fuck This. Gimme my check back. Close my account. Now"
"You can't do that."
"ARE YOU REFUSING TO GIVE ME MY OWN MONEY FROM MY OWN ACCOUNT?"
*looks out at the people in line*
"Uhhhhhhh....."
Had to take a long lunch to open an account at Washington Mutual less than an hour later.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 28, 2015 10:39 PM (ynQIy)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (Dwehj
That's twice tonight for me. Just lucky I guess.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:39 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: The Caveman Circus
"no thanks, if six shots won't kill the taste....."
Posted by: The Caveman Circus
What they don't want you to know is that there were twelve shots ...
*toot*
*SNNNNNIIIIFFFFF*
Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 28, 2015 10:40 PM (uctT+)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM (laa9h)
Oh, grow a pair, princess!
Posted by: Jeppson's Malort at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM (amQXf)
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Only none of that happened. What he wanted from congress was for them NOT to do anything as they were wanting to move forward with sanctions, or more specifically removing some of his authority to do what he been doing in waving ones already passed. He claimed..."I need more time, you'll see it'll be so worth it, come guys don't scare away my friends in Iran they are almost there!" So congress didn't do sh1t. The Senate being the pussies they are then agreed as it relates to whatever the hell barry\iran comes up with they can vote on, but not for passage, there will be a vote only if they want to object to it, so it'll need 60 votes to block it, instead of needing 60 votes to pass it.
Last I checked a treaty required 66 votes in the affirmative... but you know it's not technically a treaty, and even if it is basically a treaty..well it's not because Constitution Smonstitution and I'm Obama and I say so. Actually it is a good thing that it isn't a treaty so the next administration can reneg on if they want.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM (MbrzC)
Well done, up twinkles.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 28, 2015 10:43 PM (zauWW)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM (MbrzC)
Hahahahahaha! Now THAT is a punch line.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:45 PM (XmOA9)
The threshold for lottery winnings is $600 on a single ticket. Stay under that and they'll give you the cash. Go over that and you'll be directed to Lottery HQ where they'll need all your ID and your SSN so they can send you a W-2G come tax time.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:45 PM (WI6nT)
RK, I'll email you when I do the jam. It may be this weekend if I feel froggy. If not, look for August.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:45 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:46 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:46 PM (K+RBk)
Wells Fargo
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
You know, went inside a Wells Fargo branch for the first time in years recent;y, had to update some account info in person, and they did everything short of giving me a full release Thai massage. Wonderful customer service experience.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (V70Uh)
Google served up a selection of articles going back to Feb '15. There was a date in March, then May, now June.
No, I didn't read the articles, I'm a maroon.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (KKMQQ)
The Hastert Rule.
John Boner need not fear them coming after him.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 28, 2015 10:36 PM (V70Uh) "
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Haha /me hands you a cookie for that one.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 28, 2015 10:39 PM (ynQIy)
****
About a year ago I brought Wells a check to zero out a smal credit card balance I had. I told them that that was done I wanted to close the account. I listened for about a minute to why this was a bad idea from an Asst. Mgr. I repeated my request, and was told a Manager was needed to "sign off" on the closure, and that none were available. I pulled out the card and tore it into quarters and dumped it on the counter, and left. Moved all to a local CU the next day.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 10:48 PM (cIoI4)
Posted by: Chinese Jars and Lace Wigs at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (amQXf)
Glass is glass, and generally non-reactive. Unless you use lead to get the greenish color that gets there when you have Iron present, or other additives that were really useful when you were doping your silicon for electronics but might leach out when stored with something acid like peaches.
So I don't buy it.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:49 PM (t//F+)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 10:49 PM (dw7lk)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:45 PM (XmOA9) "
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I'm glad you got it.
You'll hear GOPe's pitching that tune though (along with "we just need the WH in 2016 everyone vote for us and we can fix it ") when Mitchy does nothing or has an objection vote that fails.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:50 PM (MbrzC)
It's funny, I had been somewhat looking at changing banks and I hadn't even thought about this law until this came up today. I assume someone closing out accounts at one bank in order to open them at another looks no different.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:51 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 28, 2015 10:51 PM (V70Uh)
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No problem btw the short anwser really was, yes Obama\Kerry has set and moved the date time and time again not the 'negotiator'.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:52 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (kCLGY)
Hey... You don't think that's why Mattress Girl carries hers around all the time.... Naw, couldn't be, right?
Posted by: jwpaine at May 28, 2015 10:53 PM (0bXhD)
He has agreed to go to prison
As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 10:49 PM
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Seriously?
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:53 PM (MbrzC)
Personally when I get pulled over for a speeding ticket, my *first* thought is that I need to empty my bank account and hand over the deed to my house just to get it off my record. And to pass on half my paycheck for years too.
/pounds that sarc tag
This is obviously something bigger than an average infraction.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 10:54 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 28, 2015 10:54 PM (zauWW)
As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret
So, that answers the question, doesn't it?
Live Boy.
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 28, 2015 10:55 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 10:56 PM (AVEe1)
As long as the "misconduct" is kept secret
Is there such a thing as a "secret"?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (W5DcG)
-WaPo.
Let that be a lesson to reporters trying to go work for an administration. /sarc
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: The Clinton Foundation at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (FcR7P)
As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret
He must be a moron. Whatever he did will come out eventually one way or the other.
Posted by: Aviator at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (sQzB6)
Buzzfeed is reporting that sources have told them that Hastert agreed to jail as long as the underlying misconduct was not cited in the indictment
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 10:58 PM (dw7lk)
Posted by: Jack Ryan at May 28, 2015 10:59 PM (UVfht)
As long as the "misconduct" is kept secret
Is there such a thing as a "secret"?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (W5DcG)
Andddd.... Hastert will soon both be in Jail, AND whatever he was covering up will soon be out...
Why?
Republican... the media will be on this like a school of Sharks with chum in the water...
Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 10:59 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (laa9h)
but yeah, I'm sure it's been said -- keep your money in greenbacks or something easily convertible to greenbacks without the govt knowing (like metals) when possible.
Obviously modern financing makes it more difficult, but I try to keep as much cash outside of the banks as possible.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (AkOaV)
As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret
Denny: Hey guys, I am cool with being blackmailed. Just take care of your competition and we are golden.
Posted by: tbodie at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (W2Fol)
As long as the "misconduct" is kept secret
Is there such a thing as a "secret"?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (W5DcG)
Is there anybody in DC who isn't some kind of pervert?
Our country is in the best of hands.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (sdi6R)
because the revolving door between congress and the whores on K street
would be closed.
Then, and only then, when they were poor, would I go after them with criminal indictments.
And the best part? Guantanamo? No, we aren't closing it....we're making it a political crimes prison.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (Zu3d9)
OK, you win. *raises Old Fashioned in tribute*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wow. I haven't read, like, any of this, but I like this.
Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at May 28, 2015 11:01 PM (1WydT)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:01 PM (dw7lk)
If he was an HQ moron, he'd own up to that shit when drunk on the ONT one night and put it on his resume three weeks later.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (KKMQQ)
Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (AVEe1)
I so want someone to ask Hillary on the campaign trail if she still holds it against Dorthy for dropping her house on Clinton's sister and has she forgiven Dorthy.
#WarOnWimmenzfromOz
Posted by: prophet at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (Nk5Nk)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:01 PM (dw7lk)
No.... if he is a Pedo, or something, then he should be in Jail for THAT...
Or Justice is NOT served....
This Catch-22 is a bogus tactic.... get him on the original charge.... not for using his own money...
Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (qh617)
Is there such a thing as a "secret"?"
Not really. It'll probably come out eventually. Tryst at work. Some dirty dealings. Secrets are normally leverage.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (laa9h)
You'd best be careful in distributing those old bills. Bringing a bunch of old-style cash (circa 1995 or so) into a bank is an instant SAR.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:05 PM (dw7lk)
Live Boy
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It's gotta be even more than that, like, Live boy with pics. Or... idk maybe live boy + dead girl?
Say I'm 73? I've got cash to burn on a defense, what's the max I can get worst case for structuring? I mean if it's 1-5 ok maybe I cut a deal, but longer than that, screw it I'd fight it and take my chances and if un-prosecutable things come on in the process so be it. Cause if I cut a deal and go to prison person-A or anyone else in the know can (and very likely will) leak it or can write a tell all the moment I go behind bars anyway, I'm supposed to 'trust' multiple people to keep it quite. yeah right.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:05 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (WI6nT)
I have some old Canadian currency ($25 CAD) that I was keeping as a souvenier. Am I going to jail now?
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 11:06 PM (KKMQQ)
You'd best be careful in distributing those old bills. Bringing a bunch of old-style cash (circa 1995 or so) into a bank is an instant SAR.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (WI6nT)
I exchanged my old bills for new ones as soon as they became available.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 11:06 PM (sdi6R)
Buzzfeed is reporting that sources have told them that Hastert agreed to jail as long as the underlying misconduct was not cited in the indictment
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 10:58 PM"
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JHC this guy is even more stupid than I thought, did they mention if this idiot has any kind of counsel?
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:06 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:07 PM (dw7lk)
Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:07 PM (TEpA2)
The cash issues filed with Treasury are what spooked Federal law enforcement to him in the first place. The indictment filed for cash structuring allows the entire weight of the US Attorney's office to press on him and a superseding indictment appears to be in play. Given that he was once a wrestling coach I have a sad feeling as to where this will end.
[/Sandusky]
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:08 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:08 PM (dw7lk)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 28, 2015 11:08 PM (XAFOu)
I'm watching Blazing Saddles on Esqure Network and, for once, the uncensored version is being shown.
What is so sad is that today's special snowflakes and SJWs have no idea why this film is so funny and effectively skewers bigotry by being so.
We are deep inside a long dark adit and our candle is about to gutter out, folks.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 28, 2015 11:09 PM (95CzI)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:09 PM (WI6nT)
He was only sixteen, only sixteen
With eyes that would glow
But he was too young to fall in love
And I was too young to know
Posted by: Dennis Hastert:
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 11:09 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:10 PM (dw7lk)
A 73/m confronted by records of some drunken / drug-fueled indiscretion with "but he told me he was 19" dredged up from many decades ago might just take the short way out.
His legacy would be shot anyway. He's not got further ambitions. All he's got to look forward to is weeks of reporters shoving microphones in his face. Or pedo prison, yay!
The offer to take the prison sentence on those terms looks VERY bad.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 11:10 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:11 PM (TEpA2)
Posted by: fairweatherbill at May 28, 2015 11:12 PM (xrURQ)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 28, 2015 11:12 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 28, 2015 11:12 PM (KCxzN)
Stop passing stupid laws and maybe you won't have to worry about the stupid laws you passed.
Of course, if he were a Democrat, there wouldn't be any issue at all.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 28, 2015 11:13 PM (wV2Kr)
Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (TEpA2)
Guns in lake. Then, like $500 at a time 'til your done. Don't mix the two.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (UVfht)
Is there anybody in DC who isn't some kind of pervert? "
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Probably not, which is why none of this actually surprises me. I should be shocked, horrified even, I'm not, I assume 9 out of 10 of them are freaks, and 5 out of 10 are doing something illegal in any given week.
--
"This Catch-22 is a bogus tactic.... get him on the original charge.... not for using his own money...
Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (qh617) "
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I agree, but here we are.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:15 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 11:16 PM (laa9h)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (UVfht)
You are correct....
Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:16 PM (TEpA2)
Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 11:16 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: Carnac the Maleficent at May 28, 2015 11:16 PM (IRBGz)
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:17 PM (WI6nT)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 11:17 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:17 PM (TEpA2)
Posted by: The Chicken at May 28, 2015 11:17 PM (uGrec)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:15 PM (MbrzC)
And the Government will now use this case as an argument as to WHY they need this power...
Once again limiting Freedom... once more letting the Government know more and more about you...
Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (dw7lk)
I'm flattered, but that's still illegal in 17 states and frowned upon in two others.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (UVfht)
Posted by: speedster1 on the ipad at May 28, 2015 11:19 PM (1brdf)
Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:19 PM (TEpA2)
And ABC News does a story on her fantastic beauty treatment.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 11:19 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: fairweatherbill at May 28, 2015 11:19 PM (xrURQ)
I'm flattered, but that's still illegal in 17 states and frowned upon in two others.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (UVfht)
Blanco in Spanish literally means White Person...
ergo... going Blanco is RAAAAACIST!!!!
Posted by: La Raza, who is NOT RAAAAACist.... really... I mean it... at May 28, 2015 11:20 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Jean at May 28, 2015 11:24 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:08 PM (dw7lk)
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They have negotiated for more than just that.
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His legacy would be shot anyway. He's not got further ambitions. All he's got to look forward to is weeks of reporters shoving microphones in his face. Or pedo prison, yay!
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 11:10 PM
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Well only if that pedo stuff is recent, if it's distant past he could just do the time on the structuring (if he loses) and flip the bird to the press and fly the coup to some nice island somewhere, I mean damage is done why hang around anyway. I guess it depends on what the offer was in terms of time, if it's 6mo... yeah sure, just take it and be done with it but if you think this isn't leaking out at least in "unconfirmed" ways you gotta be kidding yourself. no?
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:24 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:29 PM (MbrzC)
Once again limiting Freedom... once more letting the Government know more and more about you...
Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (qh617) "
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Which is why to me this case isn't about Hastert's "bad deed" no matter how despicable to me, that's entirely a sideshow, but of course the one everyone will focus on instead of the BS around structuring and similar BS with regard to asset forfeiture that affects or can affect us all.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:32 PM (MbrzC)
If he's a pedophile he deserves everything that's coming to him but I do think this is a bullshit way to prosecute someone.
This was clearly a political prosecution. You either have the real evidence or you don't.
And the person doing the blackmailing should be getting indicted but I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: Kal at May 29, 2015 12:11 AM (Q6FhU)
Gee I wonder why he gave MILLIONS. To keep a secret that might go back to his being a high school teacher ?
Posted by: Saddam at May 29, 2015 06:27 AM (Aavad)
Posted by: CryptoCox at May 29, 2015 07:38 AM (E5v2B)
Posted by: Paladin at May 29, 2015 08:55 AM (mCOPv)
Posted by: righter at May 29, 2015 09:08 AM (r6HrP)
Or it should be known what exactly amounts to violating the law.
You want something more than just under $10,000 deposits or withdrawals in cash? Specify what should be reported - like more than $30,000 in 7 business days if any deposits or withdrawals were over $4,000. The withdrawals themselves are not illegal. Have the bank report whatever it reports.
On the other hand, for targeting - to alert the U.S. Attorney that there might be some underlying crime involved here, might be OK.
Has anyone ever been caught because structuring, as opposed to reported transactions, was detected? Even for tax evasion? Whatever, let that trigger an investigation, but let taht not be a crime in itself.
Also, this lying to the FBI law (when not warned of the penalty for perjury) is probably a bad law. That can also be obstruction of jstice but there's got to be an underlying crime.
Posted by: Sammy Finkelman at May 29, 2015 10:06 AM (AJ7Ny)
The point is there is no legal limit. It's just that above a certain point it's required to be reported. Banks actually have told people to avoid depositing over $10,000 because it is a burden on them.
What they made into a crime was evading the reporting requirement.
Hastert actually had been withdrawing over $50,000 in cash a number of times. The bank eventually asked him why he was doing it.
After that Hastert kept his withdrawals under $10,000.
This was his big crime, and there was no mistaking his motive for keeping his withdrawals to under $10,000 a piece or maybe a day.
Had he kept on withdrawing larger amounts there would be no crime, but the bank might have closed his account because they don't like getting questioned on whether or not they are facilitating crimes, not just terrorism, although terrrorism is the big motivator,and there could be some regulatory consequences for being the wrong kind of bank. They'd be looked at more closely, and maybe not forgiven for other faults so easily.
They are under a lot of pressure to "know your customer.".
Posted by: Sammy Finkelman at May 29, 2015 10:17 AM (AJ7Ny)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (3A2nj)
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That's pretty much what he said. He told the FBI that the reason he was doing it was because he didn't trust banks any more because of the financial crisis (indeed any amount in the same bank over $250,000) is not insured.
Although it is easy enough for someone to to buy Treasury notes or to arrange to deposit the money in lots of banks around the country. They did that in the 1980s to get interest from bad Savings and Loans.
Hastert claimed he still had the cash, and had been afraid to keep all that much money in a bank.
He got indicted for that. Plus the structuring.
New York Governor Eliott Spitzer who also structured withdrawals to pay prostitutes, and hide it from his wife, probably resigned to avoid being prosecuted. Hastert was already out of Congress and couldn't resign from anything.
It's possible whoever was involved decided that the blackmailer was a more sympathetic person than the extortion victim.
Posted by: Sammy Finkelman at May 29, 2015 10:27 AM (AJ7Ny)
I don't care enough to read a whole bunch of stories, but the one I read was so vague... I couldn't make heads or tails out of it.
So now we know... he spent his own money on something.
That is a crime! He should be using foreign money for his pay offs... like the Clintons.
Seriously, they are investigating Hastert, but not Hillary?
Didn't she pay the one guy $10,000 a month for some undisclosed purpose, something to do with under the table weapons to Syria or Lybia or somethhing?
Posted by: petunia at May 29, 2015 10:51 AM (VoCyE)
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at May 29, 2015 12:29 PM (2/oBD)
Has everyone forgotten how bills regularly got larded with pork barrel spending while Hastert was speaker? Has everyone forgotten how in 2006 the Democrats and the media based their campaign on how sleazy the House Republicans had become? Cam you recall what passed during the four years the Democrats got back in control?
In 1980 Dennty Hastert entered politics as a teacher/coach from a school district in a county in the Chicago exurbs. Today he is a multimillionaire. He didn't get that money by saving out of his salary. Hastert was a full member of the Illinois Combine, the bipartisan group of reprobates under whose control Illinois has become bankrupt. .
I wish he'd been indicted for one of his sleazy land deals instead, but he belongs in jail.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at May 29, 2015 01:01 PM (8yAxC)
Posted by: Romeg at May 29, 2015 01:05 PM (/AS/Q)
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