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Fundamental Concepts - Born on Third Base [Weirddave]
In 1988 a Texas Politician, Jim Hightower, addressed the Democratic National Convention at Atlanta, Georgia, on July 19. In his speech, he famously said that the Republican nominee for President, George H.W. Bush, “Was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple”. It's a pithy turn of phrase, and today a lot of people credit Hightower with coining it.
That's nonsense, of course. Hightower, who at the time was the Texas Agricultural Commissioner (he lost a reelection bid to Rick Perry in 1991 amidst a bribery scandal), is the worst kind of progressive (his career has involved supporting Jessie Jackson, Ralph Nader and Jerry Brown for president), naturally he stole the phrase. The actual phrase goes back to at least the Depression era, maybe further, but whoever coined it originally certainly knew how to turn a phrase. I've been thinking about this phrase a lot lately, although not with regard to Bush 41 (I wonder just how “privileged” Bush felt floating in the Pacific after his Avenger was shot down). No, this phrase comes to mind not as pertinent to individuals, but to groups as I watch a generation of gibbering idiots wail and gnash their teeth as they gleefully strive to tear down the foundation of the very society that makes their existence possible.Societies change over time, I get that, and theoretically at least I have no problem with it. However that change should be an evolution, and not a devolution. That's what bothers me the most. None of these ideas trumpeted by the Left are new. They have all been tried before, and we know the result. Socialism does not lead to an egalitarian society, it produces a stratified one, with a little pocket of wealth and a whole lot of serfs. Jettisoning the rule of law for the rule of man doesn't result in prosperity, it results in poverty. Silencing freedom of speech creates intellectual stagnation. Forcing people to deny reality in favor of mandated, government approved “facts” gives a dysfunctional, paranoid population incapable of functioning as a greater whole. Unlike Caesar, these things ARE as constant as the Northern Star (and whoa Buddy, there's an historical precedent that's uncomfortable to examine closely). I can point to history, I can show where in the world today these policies are being implemented and the results. This isn't speculation, this isn't hypothesis, it is fact: cold, hard, demonstrable fact.
Nobody cares. This third base on which we find ourselves, this brilliant, shining city on a hill, why, of course it's the natural order of things. Things have been like this for their entire lives, there's no way life could be any different. Freedom and prosperity weren't created, they aren't the result of generations, no, millennia of human trial, effort, thought and debate, they just are. You and I know that that's not the case, and the inability of many on the left to recognize this is one of the things that is so frustrating when interacting with Progs. Their flat out denial that it's true is one of the few things that fill me with a full-blown rage. The really sad thing is that by the historical evolution of current society, if they are successful they will find themselves in a world antithetical to their own best interests. Here's an example. Activist gays never tire of pushing their agenda on society at large, an effort that culminated this week with the vilification of some poor Newfie jeweler who had no problem making rings for a lesbian couple's “wedding”, but when they found out that he personally believed in traditional marriage, it was Katy bar the door time. He was immediately cast as the week's Emmanuel Goldstein and the SJW and Gaystapo went into a frenzy. What they claim they are doing: Fighting for “equality”. This is obviously bullshit because they were treated absolutely the same as any other customer. This is the third base they were born on (or at least the third base that exists today). Twenty years ago everyone would have looked at them askance if they claimed that two people of the same sex could get married, and 50 years ago their lesbianism would have been classified as a mental disorder. Instead, today, they walk into a shop, order a pair of custom rings for their “wedding”, are treated with courtesy and respect, and go on about their business. Equality is here. They made it. That's not even third base, that's home plate. But that's not good enough, these people think they are still in the batter's box, desperately dodging chin music from a homophobic pitcher, so, since the jeweler personally believes in traditional marriage, he must be destroyed. So what happens, if, having achieved an objective, having convinced society at large of the rightness of their cause, a group keeps pushing further, demanding not just equal treatment, but preferential? Backlash. This backlash can, in this case, take one of two forms. Either it occurs withing the context of the culture and outrageous demands for preferential treatment start being routinely ignored as spurious and even mocked by the population as a whole. This is a best case scenario, what I would call the normal functioning of a free society. On the other hand, if western society has been so weakened by constant attacks on its founding principles that it recoils from those principles and allows the demanding minority to get its way in the name of fairness or in fear of being called homophobic, then that society is ripe for takeover by a society more confident in its own founding principles. That's what is happening in Europe, the confident interloper is Islam, and I really don't think it all ends well for the gays. Bottom line: We live in an incredibly free and prosperous society, one unmatched by any in human history. In our comfort and wealth, we have forgotten why this is so, and we are allowing the very things that created that freedom and prosperity to be destroyed by Leftists. THEY claim what will replace it will be better. Conservatives are pointing to history and demonstrating that it will not, but we're working from behind the 8-ball because so many people are (purposefully) ignorant of how we got here. That makes it childishly easy to take it all away.Comments
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I didn't like this one. Too disjointed, the example isn't simple. Overall I give myself a C-. The concepts are there, and they are important, but the execution was poor. Maybe I should go back to writing these while drinking.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 10:41 AM (WvS3w)
Posted by: Moneyfor Sex at May 23, 2015 10:41 AM (/WmRg)
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hello test
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 23, 2015 10:43 AM (tiyBy)
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I'm making popcorn for the Islam v Gay showdown.
Posted by: trump at May 23, 2015 10:44 AM (EQcBC)
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. In his speech, he famously said that the Republican nominee for President, George H.W. Bush, "Was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple"
So he's like Teddy Kennedy, then, eh, Jim?
So he's like Teddy Kennedy, then, eh, Jim?
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 23, 2015 10:44 AM (tiyBy)
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Yeah, I remember Hightower was a darling of the progressives. Had his own radio show, too, at one time. His absence is not missed.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 23, 2015 10:46 AM (tiyBy)
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You done good, WeirdDave.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 23, 2015 10:48 AM (0RdKg)
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Compared to Choom Boy, Dubya had to crawl over broken glass and slave twelve hours in a sweatshop every damn day of his life to get ahead.
Sure, I wish I'd had it as easy as 43. We all should.
I can wish that, but the fact that Teh Shrub got it and I didn't doesn't bug me at all. I am, in fact, happy for him.
All I feel for President Gimme is loathing.
Sure, I wish I'd had it as easy as 43. We all should.
I can wish that, but the fact that Teh Shrub got it and I didn't doesn't bug me at all. I am, in fact, happy for him.
All I feel for President Gimme is loathing.
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 23, 2015 10:50 AM (P8YHq)
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Hightower? From Police Academy?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 23, 2015 10:50 AM (VAsIq)
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Can't remember the name, but a Catholic priest said that he would die in his bed, his successor would die in prison, and his successor would die a martyr in the street. Then the Church would rebuild again as it always has. I used to think he was full of it. Not anymore.
Posted by: jmel at May 23, 2015 10:50 AM (cfFqn)
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huh
so when western Europe fully becomes Bosnia writ large are we going to see a massive wave of gay refugees?
so when western Europe fully becomes Bosnia writ large are we going to see a massive wave of gay refugees?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 10:51 AM (gsoZn)
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Can't remember the name, but a Catholic priest said that he would die in his bed, his successor would die in prison, and his successor would die a martyr in the street. Then the Church would rebuild again as it always has. I used to think he was full of it. Not anymore.
That would be Cardinal George of Chicago. Coincidentally he died -- in his bed -- just a few weeks ago.
That would be Cardinal George of Chicago. Coincidentally he died -- in his bed -- just a few weeks ago.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 23, 2015 10:52 AM (tiyBy)
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Compared to Choom Boy, Dubya had to crawl over broken glass and slave
twelve hours in a sweatshop every damn day of his life to get ahead.
Not Dubya, Poppy Bush, but your point holds.
twelve hours in a sweatshop every damn day of his life to get ahead.
Not Dubya, Poppy Bush, but your point holds.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 10:52 AM (WvS3w)
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so when western Europe fully becomes Bosnia writ large are we going to see a massive wave of gay refugees?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich
But they'll be FAB-U-LOUS!!!
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich
But they'll be FAB-U-LOUS!!!
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 23, 2015 10:52 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Brian Williams at May 23, 2015 10:53 AM (+lb5s)
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Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 10:41 AM (WvS3w)
I assume you wrote this one, might want to put your byline on it though, no?
Also, I think you're flirting around the edges of an excellent point (and I don't mean that in an insulting way...). I've been trying to verbalize an idea on this related subject for a while and can't quite come up with the right way to say it.
but essentially, yes, we live in a VERY fortuitous time compared to the rest of human history. But so many assume that this is just the natural course of things, when it clearly demonstrably isn't, and when they say they're "progressives" "progressing" toward a more perfect society... well, I can't help but wonder if their "progress" is really toward the opposite of a better society.
Anyways, just my two cents.
I assume you wrote this one, might want to put your byline on it though, no?
Also, I think you're flirting around the edges of an excellent point (and I don't mean that in an insulting way...). I've been trying to verbalize an idea on this related subject for a while and can't quite come up with the right way to say it.
but essentially, yes, we live in a VERY fortuitous time compared to the rest of human history. But so many assume that this is just the natural course of things, when it clearly demonstrably isn't, and when they say they're "progressives" "progressing" toward a more perfect society... well, I can't help but wonder if their "progress" is really toward the opposite of a better society.
Anyways, just my two cents.
Posted by: Larry Reid, ready to party at May 23, 2015 10:56 AM (AkOaV)
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oops, larry reid sock off
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 10:56 AM (AkOaV)
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>>>>>didn't like this one. Too disjointed, the example isn't simple. Overall I give myself a C-
stuff i been brewing over anyway. like how the constitution is state of the art 16th century which they want to replace with stale 19th century communism and how everyone seems to be so disheartened that probably we've got to gut through it and figure out the future path rather than the road back...
stuff i been brewing over anyway. like how the constitution is state of the art 16th century which they want to replace with stale 19th century communism and how everyone seems to be so disheartened that probably we've got to gut through it and figure out the future path rather than the road back...
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 10:57 AM (exJTj)
Posted by: Activist Gay at May 23, 2015 10:57 AM (VAsIq)
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The world has passed my by. I don't know anymore. It's up to the younger people to fight it out. I'll just be sitting here on the park bench feeding the pigeons and probably getting a ticket for feeding the pigeons.
Posted by: Donnie Gailameister at May 23, 2015 10:58 AM (TT3CN)
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Not Dubya, Poppy Bush, but your point holds. Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 10:52 AM
True dat. I'm just rage-typing today, thanks to the guy in the White House who not only got it all himself -- and had notoriously unproductive parents to boot -- but wants to take it all away not out og greed, but out of a pathological thirst for revenge on all those who "oppressed" his worthless ass.
True dat. I'm just rage-typing today, thanks to the guy in the White House who not only got it all himself -- and had notoriously unproductive parents to boot -- but wants to take it all away not out og greed, but out of a pathological thirst for revenge on all those who "oppressed" his worthless ass.
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 23, 2015 10:58 AM (P8YHq)
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Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 10:57 AM (exJTj)
Yeah, I mean...
Basically I'd say the enlightenment and the political philosophies to come out of it WERE the most "progressive" (in the dictionary sense of the word, not the political) and "revolutionary" ideas at least since classical times.
Yet the political progressives seem hell bent on undoing that and returning us to some kind of... humanity status quo. Where we live like serfs, the select few are fabulously wealthy, and we live very unfulfilled, unhappy lives.
Like I said, I've been having a really hard time verbalizing the point I'm trying to make and succinctly sum it up. Which is why I'm in sales, not writing. But I think there's a good point in there somewhere.
Yeah, I mean...
Basically I'd say the enlightenment and the political philosophies to come out of it WERE the most "progressive" (in the dictionary sense of the word, not the political) and "revolutionary" ideas at least since classical times.
Yet the political progressives seem hell bent on undoing that and returning us to some kind of... humanity status quo. Where we live like serfs, the select few are fabulously wealthy, and we live very unfulfilled, unhappy lives.
Like I said, I've been having a really hard time verbalizing the point I'm trying to make and succinctly sum it up. Which is why I'm in sales, not writing. But I think there's a good point in there somewhere.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:00 AM (AkOaV)
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I had all the privileges and screwed you peons. Don't read 'The Forgotten Man'. Ta-ta.
Posted by: Zombie FDR at May 23, 2015 11:01 AM (NPgvx)
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Thanks for the name. The fact that he did actually just die in his bed makes his prophecy that much more terrifying.
Thanks for the name. The fact that he did actually just die in his bed makes his prophecy that much more terrifying.
Posted by: jmel at May 23, 2015 11:01 AM (cfFqn)
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Hmmm. Must be a holiday weekend or something...
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 23, 2015 11:01 AM (VAsIq)
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my new handle - 22
"We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive."
C. S. Lewis
my new handle - 22
"We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive."
C. S. Lewis
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 23, 2015 11:03 AM (n6Nt0)
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Dilemma -
it's a beautiful weekend and i should be outside, or I could sit here, read Dave & talk to you guys.
To make matters worse, "The Dirty Dozen" just started on AMC...
it's a beautiful weekend and i should be outside, or I could sit here, read Dave & talk to you guys.
To make matters worse, "The Dirty Dozen" just started on AMC...
Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 23, 2015 11:03 AM (8x3C7)
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it's a beautiful weekend and i should be outside, or I could sit here, read Dave & talk to you guys.
To make matters worse, "The Dirty Dozen" just started on AMC...
Posted by: chi's sandwIch
Drag the TV and computer outside.
To make matters worse, "The Dirty Dozen" just started on AMC...
Posted by: chi's sandwIch
Drag the TV and computer outside.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 23, 2015 11:05 AM (VAsIq)
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Morning horde.
Nephew scored two touchdowns. One of them being the winning one. Off to the championships undefeated. Woo hoo!
Nephew scored two touchdowns. One of them being the winning one. Off to the championships undefeated. Woo hoo!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 23, 2015 11:06 AM (XAFOu)
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Drag the TV and computer outside and shoot them.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
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Just saying...
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
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Just saying...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 23, 2015 11:06 AM (n6Nt0)
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i mean hey weirddave
maybe doing a classical liberalism post where you go all future oriented rather than looking to the past?
as if writing a New Leviathan or some other foundational screed
to show what the future of liberalism would look like if it were not mentally ill. because it's still part of the American tradition when it isn't sick, see?
were that kind of option available to liberals i do wonder if it would win out. but nobody can even say what it would look like.
dunno spitballing over here
maybe doing a classical liberalism post where you go all future oriented rather than looking to the past?
as if writing a New Leviathan or some other foundational screed
to show what the future of liberalism would look like if it were not mentally ill. because it's still part of the American tradition when it isn't sick, see?
were that kind of option available to liberals i do wonder if it would win out. but nobody can even say what it would look like.
dunno spitballing over here
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 11:07 AM (RDuXE)
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People have a disgusting tendency to get something unprecedented in history, and then in a matter in years, if not months, it becomes expected and demanded. I love this Louis CK bit, where he mocks people whining about their cell phones, for that very reason.
http://tinyurl.com/m4fuvv9
The theme you hear again and again, about how entitled, spoiled, and decadent we have become, isn't stated for no reason.
http://tinyurl.com/m4fuvv9
The theme you hear again and again, about how entitled, spoiled, and decadent we have become, isn't stated for no reason.
Posted by: Dave S. at May 23, 2015 11:08 AM (mhkbv)
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 11:09 AM (WvS3w)
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We have become victims of our own success. Sadly this has thrust younger people into positions that they are ill prepared for and have zero experience of real world consequences.
It won't end well.
It won't end well.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 23, 2015 11:10 AM (TV9BR)
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Well, for me, "the computer" is my phone, so that's simple, but the TV? Harder to do...
And, MH -
I'm going to resist the urge to ask the question - I still laugh at that every time I see your name!
And, MH -
I'm going to resist the urge to ask the question - I still laugh at that every time I see your name!
Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 23, 2015 11:10 AM (8x3C7)
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I remember Hightower. And yes, after he got booted from office for corruption, he ended up for a little while with a radio talk show (during the first wave attempt to unseat Limbaugh and the other conservative radio hosts; it failed, just as the second one that occurred a few years ago did, for the simple reason that no one was listening to them). He was a joke, albeit a bad one. Listened to his show a couple of time, out of curiosity. He was all leftist platitudes and bullshit, and could not think his way out of a New Orleans whorehouse.
The problem with the gheys these days is that they DEMAND everyone else, not just tolerate, but positively accept, affirm and "celebrate" their lifestyles. And if you don't, they will now do their level best to destroy you. Because especially under the current regime, they can.
But as someone said upthread, I'm setting aside the popcorn for when Big Anus runs up against Big Islam. Hilarity will ensue, especially when Big Anus finds out what Big Islam's message is for the gheys:
"Homosexuality is wrong. The punishment is death".
That is an exact quote I got, about 35 years ago, from a Muzzie co-worker. He meant it then and he means it now. Gonna be REAL interesting to watch....
The problem with the gheys these days is that they DEMAND everyone else, not just tolerate, but positively accept, affirm and "celebrate" their lifestyles. And if you don't, they will now do their level best to destroy you. Because especially under the current regime, they can.
But as someone said upthread, I'm setting aside the popcorn for when Big Anus runs up against Big Islam. Hilarity will ensue, especially when Big Anus finds out what Big Islam's message is for the gheys:
"Homosexuality is wrong. The punishment is death".
That is an exact quote I got, about 35 years ago, from a Muzzie co-worker. He meant it then and he means it now. Gonna be REAL interesting to watch....
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at May 23, 2015 11:10 AM (yTMXB)
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As gay marriage becomes the law of the land, the sex education classes that were developed to discourage teenage pregnancy must now be extended to normalize same sex liaisons. As anti bullying is mostly directed at not making fun of gays, it is most likely that judgment free reorientation between boys ell be the norm. That is not to say they will be gay, they well be bisexual like the ancient Greeks and Romans. Women and children did not fare well. And I don't think the current crop of "gay" men will do well either as it won't be femininity that is valued. Check out the Qafar period of Iranian art. Oy.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at May 23, 2015 11:12 AM (nBiPV)
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and could not think his way out of a New Orleans whorehouse.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud
Who would want to, mon Cherie?
Posted by: The Oort Cloud
Who would want to, mon Cherie?
Posted by: Cajun who loves the whores at May 23, 2015 11:12 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 11:13 AM (RDuXE)
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"Homosexuality is wrong. The punishment is death".
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Sometimes the punishment is just a poopy dick.
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Sometimes the punishment is just a poopy dick.
Posted by: Teh Ghey at May 23, 2015 11:14 AM (VAsIq)
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you wiped with the wrong hand! i kill you!
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 11:14 AM (6fSED)
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And speaking of feasting on the carcass of Western culture, I'm at the National Gallery. Need anything? Get it now before the Great Looting commences!
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 23, 2015 11:14 AM (Fy1TT)
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"Who am I? Why am I here?"
-Brian Williams during the October 13, 1992 VP Debate
Actually it was a former nearly eight year guest at the Hanoi Hilton, Jim Stockdale. Who, along with fellow pow's would have to nightly read propaganda articles from the New York Times in order to dishearten the American prisoners. I recently read his book, co-written with wife, 'In Love and War'.
It did nothing to reduce my desire to someday make wajib pilgrimage to Jane Fonda's grave and pee on it.
-Brian Williams during the October 13, 1992 VP Debate
Actually it was a former nearly eight year guest at the Hanoi Hilton, Jim Stockdale. Who, along with fellow pow's would have to nightly read propaganda articles from the New York Times in order to dishearten the American prisoners. I recently read his book, co-written with wife, 'In Love and War'.
It did nothing to reduce my desire to someday make wajib pilgrimage to Jane Fonda's grave and pee on it.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 23, 2015 11:14 AM (xQX/f)
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Unfortunately, I think Gay is going to avoid a conflict with Islam until its done stomping Western Civ into the dust.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 23, 2015 11:15 AM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 23, 2015 11:16 AM (/tNwW)
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oh yeah looting
wait until the Muslims of Europe start to destroy the classic art of Italy and France etc.
wait until the Muslims of Europe start to destroy the classic art of Italy and France etc.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 11:16 AM (6fSED)
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Conservatives are pointing to history and demonstrating that it will
not, but we're working from behind the 8-ball because so many people are
(purposefully) ignorant of how we got here. That makes it childishly
easy to take it all away. - weirddave
Yesterday morning, I started to get into a mild, friendly dispute with one of my "co-workers", who I believe, subscribes to many of these Leftist tropes, unthinkingly accepting them without understanding the underlying premises. I stopped well short of an argument, as I realized where this sort of disagreement would eventually lead.
We were all, so to speak, born on third base. Except for a relative handful that have sweated and bled overseas in the armed services, not many of us have had to do much of anything to redeem and sustain our Republic. Which is why we are losing it. We (the people) have no sense of just what it took to build it, what it is worth and how to keep it, and now we are frittering it away.
not, but we're working from behind the 8-ball because so many people are
(purposefully) ignorant of how we got here. That makes it childishly
easy to take it all away. - weirddave
Yesterday morning, I started to get into a mild, friendly dispute with one of my "co-workers", who I believe, subscribes to many of these Leftist tropes, unthinkingly accepting them without understanding the underlying premises. I stopped well short of an argument, as I realized where this sort of disagreement would eventually lead.
We were all, so to speak, born on third base. Except for a relative handful that have sweated and bled overseas in the armed services, not many of us have had to do much of anything to redeem and sustain our Republic. Which is why we are losing it. We (the people) have no sense of just what it took to build it, what it is worth and how to keep it, and now we are frittering it away.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at May 23, 2015 11:17 AM (+1T7c)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 23, 2015 11:03 AM (n6Nt0)
Oh man, great quote! Never seen it before, thanks!
Oh man, great quote! Never seen it before, thanks!
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:17 AM (AkOaV)
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Get it now before the Great Looting commences!
Posted by: All Hail Eris
I'm waiting for the sale prices during the Great Looting.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
I'm waiting for the sale prices during the Great Looting.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 23, 2015 11:18 AM (VAsIq)
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suddenly the gays will agitate to save western civilization when the David statue gets pulverized by Muslims
and... too late
and... too late
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 11:19 AM (6fSED)
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There is a link in the sidebar about the humanities dying in education. WeirdDave shows why that is such a huge problem. Previous societies are mostly irrelevant. The benefit to the left in neglecting or distorting all the has happened before is that they can carry forward with the huge lie that anything they are trying to do now is new. It's not new, and it never ends well.
Posted by: Dave S. at May 23, 2015 11:19 AM (mhkbv)
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What we need to do is emphasize what is best and worth preserving in American/Western culture, values that are the bedrock of our character no matter how rock-ribbed or queerfabulous one is.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 23, 2015 11:19 AM (Fy1TT)
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As for Islam meets gay, oh, there's plenty of homosexuality going on there, as of course it works be when the sexes are so strictly segregated. But they are not gay the way gays are here, as they are not effeminate. For them it is about masculinity, much in the way it was for the Greeks, Romans and most other ancient cultures.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at May 23, 2015 11:20 AM (nBiPV)
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Good comment at 37.
Posted by: LadyS at May 23, 2015 11:22 AM (xYNhJ)
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Yet the political progressives seem hell bent on undoing that and returning us to some kind of... humanity status quo. Where we live like serfs, the select few are fabulously wealthy, and we live very unfulfilled, unhappy lives.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:00 AM (AkOaV)
I think the aristocracy has always hated America. The norm throughout human history has been noble families ruling by "divine right" (or because they killed off their rivals). America proved that a more egalitarian society, where you could become anything you wanted regardless of who your parents were, was not only possible, but it unleashed human creativity and wealth generation the likes of which the world has never seen.
This kind of competition scared the aristocrats shitless. They held their place at the top of society thanks to their vast family fortunes. Their privileged position became threatened by upstarts who could outthink or outproduce them. In some cases the upstarts themselves started thinking like aristocrats once they became successful. Suddenly they began to favor policies that would protect them from competition from newer upstarts. Once they made it, they wanted to pull the ladder up behind them.
The aristocrats of the 18th century signed the Declaration and the Constitution, but still insisted on their legal and moral right to own slaves. Beginning in the 19th century, aristocrats rebranded themselves as Socialists or Progressives. Their rhetoric was all about lifting up the bottom of society--that's how they got popular support--but the results of their policies has always been to cement the aristocracy into place, under new names like "Vanguard of the Proletariat" or "Nomenklatura". In some cases such as Communist revolutions, the old aristocracy was exterminated and a new one took its place. Meanwhile, the poor were no better off than before and were often worse off.
Yet the political progressives seem hell bent on undoing that and returning us to some kind of... humanity status quo. Where we live like serfs, the select few are fabulously wealthy, and we live very unfulfilled, unhappy lives.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:00 AM (AkOaV)
I think the aristocracy has always hated America. The norm throughout human history has been noble families ruling by "divine right" (or because they killed off their rivals). America proved that a more egalitarian society, where you could become anything you wanted regardless of who your parents were, was not only possible, but it unleashed human creativity and wealth generation the likes of which the world has never seen.
This kind of competition scared the aristocrats shitless. They held their place at the top of society thanks to their vast family fortunes. Their privileged position became threatened by upstarts who could outthink or outproduce them. In some cases the upstarts themselves started thinking like aristocrats once they became successful. Suddenly they began to favor policies that would protect them from competition from newer upstarts. Once they made it, they wanted to pull the ladder up behind them.
The aristocrats of the 18th century signed the Declaration and the Constitution, but still insisted on their legal and moral right to own slaves. Beginning in the 19th century, aristocrats rebranded themselves as Socialists or Progressives. Their rhetoric was all about lifting up the bottom of society--that's how they got popular support--but the results of their policies has always been to cement the aristocracy into place, under new names like "Vanguard of the Proletariat" or "Nomenklatura". In some cases such as Communist revolutions, the old aristocracy was exterminated and a new one took its place. Meanwhile, the poor were no better off than before and were often worse off.
Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2015 11:22 AM (sdi6R)
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As for Islam meets gay, oh, there's plenty of homosexuality going on there, as of course it works be when the sexes are so strictly segregated.
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It's not gay when the little boy is an unwilling participant.
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It's not gay when the little boy is an unwilling participant.
Posted by: Jihadi Dji'dhadi at May 23, 2015 11:22 AM (VAsIq)
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Bigby, Oriana Fallaci was willing to obliterate them if they ever attacked her precious heritage. It was her (and my) greatest fear.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 23, 2015 11:23 AM (Fy1TT)
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It wasn't a bribery scandal...it was a Karl Rove special. Hightower is a buffoon, but he is not a crook.
Two of his aides were convicted of campaign fundraising (after hours) while traveling on state business. Is it wrong? Yes. Does it happen every day? Yes.
Two of his aides were convicted of campaign fundraising (after hours) while traveling on state business. Is it wrong? Yes. Does it happen every day? Yes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 23, 2015 11:23 AM (Zu3d9)
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Willful ignorance - it's what's for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Witness Sir Golfsalot - most brilliant man ever, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Willful ignorance - it's what's for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Witness Sir Golfsalot - most brilliant man ever, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 23, 2015 11:26 AM (CeHbE)
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We were all, so to speak, born on third base. Except for a relative
handful that have sweated and bled overseas in the armed services, not
many of us have had to do much of anything to redeem and sustain our
Republic. Which is why we are losing it. We (the people) have no sense of just
what it took to build it, what it is worth and how to keep it, and now
we are frittering it away.
True, we get no choice in when we are born. There is no way I can ever experience trench warfare in WWI. I can, however, take the time to be aware of the reality of what it was. It's important to know just how we got to 3rd base and what 2nd and 1st bases were like, because the progs are dragging us towards second telling us it's home. (and that just about beats the analogy to death).
handful that have sweated and bled overseas in the armed services, not
many of us have had to do much of anything to redeem and sustain our
Republic. Which is why we are losing it. We (the people) have no sense of just
what it took to build it, what it is worth and how to keep it, and now
we are frittering it away.
True, we get no choice in when we are born. There is no way I can ever experience trench warfare in WWI. I can, however, take the time to be aware of the reality of what it was. It's important to know just how we got to 3rd base and what 2nd and 1st bases were like, because the progs are dragging us towards second telling us it's home. (and that just about beats the analogy to death).
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 11:27 AM (WvS3w)
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the progs are dragging us towards second telling us it's home. (and that just about beats the analogy to death).
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 11:27 AM (WvS3w)
Home for us not for them. Just like in Animal Farm and all Communist Society's, the progressive elite are all born rounding 3rd on the way to home until someone decides to line them up against a wall and shoot them.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 11:27 AM (WvS3w)
Home for us not for them. Just like in Animal Farm and all Communist Society's, the progressive elite are all born rounding 3rd on the way to home until someone decides to line them up against a wall and shoot them.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 23, 2015 11:30 AM (/tNwW)
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As for Islam meets gay, oh, there's plenty of homosexuality going on there, as of course it works be when the sexes are so strictly segregated. But they are not gay the way gays are here, as they are not effeminate. For them it is about masculinity, much in the way it was for the Greeks, Romans and most other ancient cultures.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at May 23, 2015 11:20 AM (nBiPV)
Oh yes. That has been the common joke about Islam, well, forever, how much the supposedly ghey-hating Muslims boink each other in the pooper. One of the funniest things I ever read was years ago in Playboy, where they had gotten hold of the Ayatollah Khomeini's writings on the rules for anal sex. The rules he laid down said essentially it's ok for Abdul to fuck Faisal in the squeakhole, as long as he doesn't go in past the circumcision scar...
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at May 23, 2015 11:20 AM (nBiPV)
Oh yes. That has been the common joke about Islam, well, forever, how much the supposedly ghey-hating Muslims boink each other in the pooper. One of the funniest things I ever read was years ago in Playboy, where they had gotten hold of the Ayatollah Khomeini's writings on the rules for anal sex. The rules he laid down said essentially it's ok for Abdul to fuck Faisal in the squeakhole, as long as he doesn't go in past the circumcision scar...
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at May 23, 2015 11:30 AM (yTMXB)
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Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2015 11:22 AM (sdi6R)
Yes, good points.
There are DEFINITELY a large number in this country who consider THEMSELVES to be the "aristocracy."
Now, in reality, most of them are not considered the "aristocracy" by, you know, the people in the "aristocracy" -- but they parrot the "elite" in this country almost in a cargo cult way and they are the loudest proponents of "equality" and "redistribution" while they fly on their private jets from Marthas Vineyard to Napa Valley to go to a $35,000 a plate fundraiser for their "friends."
In other words, the "useful idiots"
Yes, good points.
There are DEFINITELY a large number in this country who consider THEMSELVES to be the "aristocracy."
Now, in reality, most of them are not considered the "aristocracy" by, you know, the people in the "aristocracy" -- but they parrot the "elite" in this country almost in a cargo cult way and they are the loudest proponents of "equality" and "redistribution" while they fly on their private jets from Marthas Vineyard to Napa Valley to go to a $35,000 a plate fundraiser for their "friends."
In other words, the "useful idiots"
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:30 AM (AkOaV)
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This third base on which we find ourselves, this brilliant, shining city
on a hill, why, of course it's the natural order of things. Things have
been like this for their entire lives, there's no way life could be any
different.
Hence leftist tax and other economic policies. They seem not to realize that people will modify their behavior in view of those policies, and so are continually surprised when a one-third tax on $X does not result in $X/3 in revenue. It's as though they believe the present circumstances are chiseled into stone, immutable, and that no policy, however stupid, can affect those circumstances adversely.
on a hill, why, of course it's the natural order of things. Things have
been like this for their entire lives, there's no way life could be any
different.
Hence leftist tax and other economic policies. They seem not to realize that people will modify their behavior in view of those policies, and so are continually surprised when a one-third tax on $X does not result in $X/3 in revenue. It's as though they believe the present circumstances are chiseled into stone, immutable, and that no policy, however stupid, can affect those circumstances adversely.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 23, 2015 11:31 AM (oKE6c)
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Iran Puts Boots On The Ground In Iraqi Fight For Key Oil Refinery
UN Envoy: ISIS Poised To Become Serious Threat In Libya
Weasel Zippers
Fredo is on a roll
UN Envoy: ISIS Poised To Become Serious Threat In Libya
Weasel Zippers
Fredo is on a roll
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 23, 2015 11:32 AM (/tNwW)
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An excellent post and one which gets to a salient point nobody talks about: no one, least of all Progs, will be able to live in the world they are creating.
It took centuries for the Church to make marriage something more than a contract of servitude and the greatest beneficiaries of that progress have been women.
This philosophy of victimhood sees villains in every teapot and destroys every person who embraces it.
There is no more unity. Just long knives. And after the jackboots of SSM beat Christians down, the crescent will will reign. It is already happening and the Progs are a better catalyst than the army of Saracens forming now in nearby Garland Texas.
It took centuries for the Church to make marriage something more than a contract of servitude and the greatest beneficiaries of that progress have been women.
This philosophy of victimhood sees villains in every teapot and destroys every person who embraces it.
There is no more unity. Just long knives. And after the jackboots of SSM beat Christians down, the crescent will will reign. It is already happening and the Progs are a better catalyst than the army of Saracens forming now in nearby Garland Texas.
Posted by: Aspragus tuteme ex infernis at May 23, 2015 11:33 AM (a7XVt)
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Oh yes. That has been the common joke about Islam, well, forever, how much the supposedly ghey-hating Muslims boink each other in the pooper. One of the funniest things I ever read was years ago in Playboy, where they had gotten hold of the Ayatollah Khomeini's writings on the rules for anal sex. The rules he laid down said essentially it's ok for Abdul to fuck Faisal in the squeakhole, as long as he doesn't go in past the circumcision scar...
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at May 23, 2015 11:30 AM (yTMXB)
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Just the tip, but if Faisal happens to thrust himself backwards, there's not much Abdul could do about that.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at May 23, 2015 11:30 AM (yTMXB)
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Just the tip, but if Faisal happens to thrust himself backwards, there's not much Abdul could do about that.
Posted by: Dave S. at May 23, 2015 11:34 AM (mhkbv)
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I meant to end my #55 with this:
While I don't have TV and have never seen "Game of Thrones", I read somewhere that it is very popular in Washington, DC. Fancy that.
While I don't have TV and have never seen "Game of Thrones", I read somewhere that it is very popular in Washington, DC. Fancy that.
Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2015 11:34 AM (sdi6R)
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"That makes it childishly easy to take it all away."
It also makes it easy to convince people to Give it all away.
It also makes it easy to convince people to Give it all away.
Posted by: TheTruth at May 23, 2015 11:35 AM (3Vv0F)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 23, 2015 11:31 AM (oKE6c)
But do they really not realize it?
In other words, how much is rhetoric designed to make them look like they're "helping the little guy" when in reality, they're trying to tax and fuck everyone else except themselves and their closest cronies. So they write the tax laws in ways that give them plenty of "outs" to restructure their income and avoid the taxes, while screwing over their competitors and others who they don't care about and/or want to hurt?
I mean I always wonder about this kind of stuff. I find it hard to believe that they're THAT stupid.
The useful idiots, yeah, maybe.
But the politicians and academics and whatnot who write the laws? C'mon!
But do they really not realize it?
In other words, how much is rhetoric designed to make them look like they're "helping the little guy" when in reality, they're trying to tax and fuck everyone else except themselves and their closest cronies. So they write the tax laws in ways that give them plenty of "outs" to restructure their income and avoid the taxes, while screwing over their competitors and others who they don't care about and/or want to hurt?
I mean I always wonder about this kind of stuff. I find it hard to believe that they're THAT stupid.
The useful idiots, yeah, maybe.
But the politicians and academics and whatnot who write the laws? C'mon!
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:35 AM (AkOaV)
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The rules he laid down said essentially it's ok for Abdul to fuck Faisal in the squeakhole, as long as he doesn't go in past the circumcision scar...
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at May 23, 2015 11:30 AM (yTMXB
Khomeini started 'just the tip?'
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at May 23, 2015 11:30 AM (yTMXB
Khomeini started 'just the tip?'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 23, 2015 11:35 AM (XAFOu)
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eris
I've said since way back 2003 or before that to solve the current problems with islam will require the west and esp America to violate our basic principles in such a way we'll never see ourselves the same after.
so another reason i think it vital to look forward now not to the past. that's another country, as they say
I've said since way back 2003 or before that to solve the current problems with islam will require the west and esp America to violate our basic principles in such a way we'll never see ourselves the same after.
so another reason i think it vital to look forward now not to the past. that's another country, as they say
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 11:36 AM (e+EMw)
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Khomeini started 'just the tip?'
Posted by: RWC
That was the Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him ("Peace," of course, is what we call a golden shower, which he took daily).
Posted by: RWC
That was the Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him ("Peace," of course, is what we call a golden shower, which he took daily).
Posted by: Jihadi Dji'dhadi at May 23, 2015 11:37 AM (VAsIq)
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it's ok for Abdul to fuck Faisal in the squeakhole, as long as he doesn't go in past the circumcision scar..
So, in accordance with the AOS Handbook and Style Guide,
"Just the tip."
So, in accordance with the AOS Handbook and Style Guide,
"Just the tip."
Posted by: Hassan the Assassin at May 23, 2015 11:37 AM (brIR5)
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Anyone watching the boob tube? Is Cleavland being torched yet?
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at May 23, 2015 11:39 AM (Vyg9x)
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In other words, how much is rhetoric designed to make them look like they're "helping the little guy" when in reality, they're trying to tax and fuck everyone else except themselves and their closest cronies.
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The insider trading rules congress exempted itself from seems to point to that.
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The insider trading rules congress exempted itself from seems to point to that.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 23, 2015 11:39 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Noree Redalot at May 23, 2015 11:40 AM (R34d+)
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My fondest memory of Khomeni is when they spilled his body from the coffin.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 23, 2015 11:40 AM (n6Nt0)
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Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 23, 2015 11:39 AM (VAsIq)
Exactly.
Or the myriad of provisions in the tax code that allow the truly wealthy to, say, buy municipal bonds at 4% interest and not have to pay taxes on any interest paid at all. So if you're a billionaire, you could (in theory) load up on muni bonds, make millions a year by "coupon clipping" and effectively pay a 0% tax rate on that money.
It also has the benefit of making muni bonds more desirable to very wealthy people, which means municipalities can spend money more recklessly then they would otherwise be able to.
Exactly.
Or the myriad of provisions in the tax code that allow the truly wealthy to, say, buy municipal bonds at 4% interest and not have to pay taxes on any interest paid at all. So if you're a billionaire, you could (in theory) load up on muni bonds, make millions a year by "coupon clipping" and effectively pay a 0% tax rate on that money.
It also has the benefit of making muni bonds more desirable to very wealthy people, which means municipalities can spend money more recklessly then they would otherwise be able to.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:42 AM (AkOaV)
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But do they really not realize it?
I mean I always wonder about this kind of stuff. I find it hard to believe that they're THAT stupid.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:35 AM (AkOaV)
You know, I really don't know, and wobble on this issue of whether or not they realize the contradictions in their views. You'd think the brighter ones would, and they certainly have the intellect to do so, but they could just be blinded by ideology.
In this connection, I always think of leftists urging taxes on cigarettes to discourage consumption, and then urging taxes on business to spur economic growth. WTF?
I mean I always wonder about this kind of stuff. I find it hard to believe that they're THAT stupid.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:35 AM (AkOaV)
You know, I really don't know, and wobble on this issue of whether or not they realize the contradictions in their views. You'd think the brighter ones would, and they certainly have the intellect to do so, but they could just be blinded by ideology.
In this connection, I always think of leftists urging taxes on cigarettes to discourage consumption, and then urging taxes on business to spur economic growth. WTF?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 23, 2015 11:42 AM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at May 23, 2015 11:42 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 23, 2015 11:44 AM (XAFOu)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 23, 2015 11:42 AM (oKE6c)
Ha, that's an example I like to use all the time, too. Especially with fellow smokers.
"They say we need a 40% tax on cigarettes to discourage us from smoking. But then they say only crazy people would think a 40% tax on income would discourage working..."
And even my democrat (more LIV then democrat) friends will have a "lightbulb" moment and say "shit, you're right. That is dumb."
Ha, that's an example I like to use all the time, too. Especially with fellow smokers.
"They say we need a 40% tax on cigarettes to discourage us from smoking. But then they say only crazy people would think a 40% tax on income would discourage working..."
And even my democrat (more LIV then democrat) friends will have a "lightbulb" moment and say "shit, you're right. That is dumb."
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 11:45 AM (AkOaV)
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And even my democrat (more LIV then democrat) friends will have a "lightbulb" moment and say "shit, you're right. That is dumb."
Posted by: mynewhandle
....then pull the lever for "D" anyway.
Posted by: mynewhandle
....then pull the lever for "D" anyway.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 23, 2015 11:45 AM (VAsIq)
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it was harder to be an oil man in the 80s, then it was in the 50s, that's part of the reason, why W drank, only Boone Pickens and Ken Lay were really successful in the Permian,
Posted by: admiral marcus at May 23, 2015 11:46 AM (0u/CC)
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"Bottom line: We live in an incredibly free and prosperous society, one unmatched by any in human history."
The Left will never, ever admit this. How to justify redistribution?
This scrunt at my link is the prime example of the left never admitting how prosperous we are. She actually says children do not know where their next meal will come from and nobody calls her out.
http://tinyurl.com/lvpqd6k
The Left will never, ever admit this. How to justify redistribution?
This scrunt at my link is the prime example of the left never admitting how prosperous we are. She actually says children do not know where their next meal will come from and nobody calls her out.
http://tinyurl.com/lvpqd6k
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 23, 2015 11:48 AM (OpDDu)
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Dave- I enjoy theses pieces. Especially the disappeared ones.
The left doesn't get that third base can easily disappear because they don't see this as third base. They look around, squint, and peer only at what they see as flaws. Such a flawed place cannot be third base. They must be stuck in a cigarette but strewn gutter in the parking lot.
Problem is, they can't see the grass, the infield and the pitcher's mound.
The left doesn't get that third base can easily disappear because they don't see this as third base. They look around, squint, and peer only at what they see as flaws. Such a flawed place cannot be third base. They must be stuck in a cigarette but strewn gutter in the parking lot.
Problem is, they can't see the grass, the infield and the pitcher's mound.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 11:48 AM (i7JE3)
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In this connection, I always think of leftists urging taxes on cigarettes to discourage consumption, and then urging taxes on business to spur economic growth. WTF?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 23, 2015 11:42 AM (oKE6c)
Not to derail the thread, but I always thought it was amusing that leftists advocated taxing cigarettes to discourage consumption in the name of public health.
Then e-cigs were invented, and suddenly the same people are advocating taxing them at the same rate as regular cigarettes.
If it was really about public health, the government would be offering incentives to smokers to switch to e-cigs.
In this connection, I always think of leftists urging taxes on cigarettes to discourage consumption, and then urging taxes on business to spur economic growth. WTF?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 23, 2015 11:42 AM (oKE6c)
Not to derail the thread, but I always thought it was amusing that leftists advocated taxing cigarettes to discourage consumption in the name of public health.
Then e-cigs were invented, and suddenly the same people are advocating taxing them at the same rate as regular cigarettes.
If it was really about public health, the government would be offering incentives to smokers to switch to e-cigs.
Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2015 11:49 AM (sdi6R)
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And being convinced that they live in a cigarette butt strewn gutter in the parking lot, they must convince those around them that they too live there.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 11:50 AM (i7JE3)
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We of the Paris Hilton generation have come a long way from the Betsy Ross generation.
Posted by: jwpaine at May 23, 2015 11:50 AM (0bXhD)
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Rickl- Delaware has already either passed or considered a law banning E-cigs indoors .
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 11:51 AM (i7JE3)
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Wait a minute.... Who am I here?
Posted by: President Stepfather at May 23, 2015 11:52 AM (0bXhD)
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I Don't Know's on Third Base.
Posted by: Bud Abbott at May 23, 2015 11:53 AM (VAsIq)
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Anyone see Robert Gates, the head of the Boy Scouts, talking on why they need to accept gay troupe leaders?
Horrifying.
He basically says, "We have to do it now or the courts will force us to do it... and when they do that, they'll do other stuff to us, too, like take away our ability to mention God in the Scouts."
Wow. So let's give the bully what he wants now, or he'll TOTALLY beat us up! And the idea that your religious freedom will be taken away? THAT doesn't anger you? THAT doesn't spur you to action?
Horrifying.
He basically says, "We have to do it now or the courts will force us to do it... and when they do that, they'll do other stuff to us, too, like take away our ability to mention God in the Scouts."
Wow. So let's give the bully what he wants now, or he'll TOTALLY beat us up! And the idea that your religious freedom will be taken away? THAT doesn't anger you? THAT doesn't spur you to action?
Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2015 11:53 AM (GhE+a)
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Students, families and anyone in the community is invited this summer to eat lunch at eight EVSC schools during different dates and times
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I swear I'm doing it wrong.
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I swear I'm doing it wrong.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 23, 2015 11:54 AM (XAFOu)
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No, this phrase comes to mind not as pertinent to individuals, but to
groups as I watch a generation of gibbering idiots wail and gnash their
teeth as they gleefully strive to tear down the foundation of the very
society that makes their existence possible.
Why would you wish to save a society that offers that as a product. Let them destroy it. It's a mercy killing.
groups as I watch a generation of gibbering idiots wail and gnash their
teeth as they gleefully strive to tear down the foundation of the very
society that makes their existence possible.
Why would you wish to save a society that offers that as a product. Let them destroy it. It's a mercy killing.
Posted by: DFCtomm at May 23, 2015 11:54 AM (3Q3jg)
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Wait--who's on Third Base?
Posted by: Lou Costello at May 23, 2015 11:55 AM (VAsIq)
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he signed off on the Uranium deal didn't he,
Posted by: admiral marcus at May 23, 2015 11:55 AM (0u/CC)
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IMHO, except for some middle states and rural areas in this country, the grand experiment is over.
The large metroplexes and the shit they send to govern in DC is now killing this country. It is they that have the control.
We're getting closer and closer to "Hunger Games" type dystopia.
The large metroplexes and the shit they send to govern in DC is now killing this country. It is they that have the control.
We're getting closer and closer to "Hunger Games" type dystopia.
Posted by: Soona at May 23, 2015 11:56 AM (KA+OE)
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91 Rickl- Delaware has already either passed or considered a law banning E-cigs indoors .
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 11:51 AM (i7JE3)
Yep, I think a lot of places either want to ban or have banned e-cigs anywhere that regular cigarettes are banned. Of course this makes no sense since no smoke or fire is involved, but never mind that.
Which brings up another facet of the Left: They can't stand to see anybody enjoying themselves, especially by making "unapproved" choices.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 11:51 AM (i7JE3)
Yep, I think a lot of places either want to ban or have banned e-cigs anywhere that regular cigarettes are banned. Of course this makes no sense since no smoke or fire is involved, but never mind that.
Which brings up another facet of the Left: They can't stand to see anybody enjoying themselves, especially by making "unapproved" choices.
Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2015 11:56 AM (sdi6R)
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She actually says children do not know where their next meal will come from and nobody calls her out.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 23, 2015 11:48 AM (OpDDu)
Don't get me started on the "Hunger in America" horseshit. There IS no hunger in America. We have, if anything, an obesity problem, and it is most pronounced among the poorest. Yet, undaunted by facts, leftists push this "hunger" and "food insecurity" horseshit as though it actually exists.
Meanwhile, the Census Bureau informs us that the vast majority (something like 95%, for most appliances) of all households have a color TV, a microwave, etc. (These figures are from memory; I once looked them up.) Who would buy a color TV if he were worried about whether he could eat?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 23, 2015 11:48 AM (OpDDu)
Don't get me started on the "Hunger in America" horseshit. There IS no hunger in America. We have, if anything, an obesity problem, and it is most pronounced among the poorest. Yet, undaunted by facts, leftists push this "hunger" and "food insecurity" horseshit as though it actually exists.
Meanwhile, the Census Bureau informs us that the vast majority (something like 95%, for most appliances) of all households have a color TV, a microwave, etc. (These figures are from memory; I once looked them up.) Who would buy a color TV if he were worried about whether he could eat?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 23, 2015 11:59 AM (oKE6c)
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Greetings:
My favorite bit from the rings rancor was the quote:
"They were great to work with. They seemed to have no issues."
As much as I enjoy a bit of minority validation in the mourning, that has taken my cake. Sexual dysfunctionals pronouncing on the "issues" of others.
As to that "mental disorder" of 50 years ago, that revocation was not a result of any science at all but rather the"vote" of the American Psychological Association which I would bet is somewhat over represented when it comes to practicing homosexuals.
My favorite bit from the rings rancor was the quote:
"They were great to work with. They seemed to have no issues."
As much as I enjoy a bit of minority validation in the mourning, that has taken my cake. Sexual dysfunctionals pronouncing on the "issues" of others.
As to that "mental disorder" of 50 years ago, that revocation was not a result of any science at all but rather the"vote" of the American Psychological Association which I would bet is somewhat over represented when it comes to practicing homosexuals.
Posted by: 11B40 at May 23, 2015 12:01 PM (abx5/)
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Overall I give myself a C-.
Don't be hard on yourself. Not everyone can manage a solid B+ like me.
Don't be hard on yourself. Not everyone can manage a solid B+ like me.
Posted by: president o'bumbles at May 23, 2015 12:01 PM (kivUY)
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Civilization kills its self. The very thing that people fight for, strive for, and work toward is what destroys all they were trying to accomplish. Because of sinful human nature, when we achieve comfort, safety, wealth, and ease, we forget what got us there. Worse, we begin to hold those values in contempt, considering virtues such as temperance, wisdom, and fortitude to be foolish and counterproductive.
Without a strong constant cultural backbone of ethical teaching such as a shared religious culture, civilizations begin to fall apart because they become self interested, self focused, hedonistic, and greedy.
What's more, luxuries become necessities. Things that you once considered something special and wonderful with use become something you think you can't live without. Many of us here are old enough to remember growing up with a rotary dial on a phone attached to the wall. But how many now think they cannot survive without their phone?
Its a regular cycle, a pattern of triumphant growth, decay, and collapse that happens over and over through human history. Its just happening really, really fast this time. It took a hundred years or so for England to go from controlling 1/3rd of the planet's land and all the seas to one island. I doubt it will take America more than a decade to crumble.
Without a strong constant cultural backbone of ethical teaching such as a shared religious culture, civilizations begin to fall apart because they become self interested, self focused, hedonistic, and greedy.
What's more, luxuries become necessities. Things that you once considered something special and wonderful with use become something you think you can't live without. Many of us here are old enough to remember growing up with a rotary dial on a phone attached to the wall. But how many now think they cannot survive without their phone?
Its a regular cycle, a pattern of triumphant growth, decay, and collapse that happens over and over through human history. Its just happening really, really fast this time. It took a hundred years or so for England to go from controlling 1/3rd of the planet's land and all the seas to one island. I doubt it will take America more than a decade to crumble.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:02 PM (39g3+)
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And Soviet agents and fellow-travellers, 11B40.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 23, 2015 12:02 PM (kivUY)
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Top of the rung Leftists don't really want freedom. They want the Politburo.
And I guess the same goes for the Republicans after yesterday's trade vote.
Top of the rung Leftists don't really want freedom. They want the Politburo.
And I guess the same goes for the Republicans after yesterday's trade vote.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 23, 2015 12:03 PM (ODxAs)
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Nice post weird Dave. B+ if you ask me.
Did we ever find out what happened to your fine letter to a Baltimore rioter post? Glad I saved it.
The fact that people in poverty all have big screen TVs is part of this discussion.
Did we ever find out what happened to your fine letter to a Baltimore rioter post? Glad I saved it.
The fact that people in poverty all have big screen TVs is part of this discussion.
Posted by: Scottst at May 23, 2015 12:04 PM (hyUPo)
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Apart from the proximate cause of invasion, this is the reason all societies fall.
They become sheltered and imagine that prosperity is the natural state and doesn't require maintenance.
There's only one cure: for that society to receive a good ass-kicking.
They become sheltered and imagine that prosperity is the natural state and doesn't require maintenance.
There's only one cure: for that society to receive a good ass-kicking.
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 12:04 PM (axNZt)
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It wasn't a bribery scandal...it was a Karl Rove special. Hightower is a buffoon, but he is not a crook.
Two
of his aides were convicted of campaign fundraising (after hours) while
traveling on state business. Is it wrong? Yes. Does it happen every
day? Yes.
Oh, I dunno. When the aids to the Ag Com are shaking down companies that depend on his rulings for their livelihood for "campaign donations", that's close enough to bribery for my definition. Doesn't seem functionally different that paying Bill 500K to give a speech when Hillary is SoS.
It wasn't a bribery scandal...it was a Karl Rove special. Hightower is a buffoon, but he is not a crook.
Two
of his aides were convicted of campaign fundraising (after hours) while
traveling on state business. Is it wrong? Yes. Does it happen every
day? Yes.
Oh, I dunno. When the aids to the Ag Com are shaking down companies that depend on his rulings for their livelihood for "campaign donations", that's close enough to bribery for my definition. Doesn't seem functionally different that paying Bill 500K to give a speech when Hillary is SoS.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 12:04 PM (WvS3w)
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There IS no hunger in America.
Well that's not entirely true; some kids do go hungry, but they are extremely rare and usually its the result of parents buying crack, meth, booze, or gambling with the food money. There are some very VERY poor, genuinely poverty stricken people in America, but they are extremely rare and isolated and usually in rural areas.
I expect that to change, soon. Many, many people have no clue where food comes from or what it takes to get it.
Well that's not entirely true; some kids do go hungry, but they are extremely rare and usually its the result of parents buying crack, meth, booze, or gambling with the food money. There are some very VERY poor, genuinely poverty stricken people in America, but they are extremely rare and isolated and usually in rural areas.
I expect that to change, soon. Many, many people have no clue where food comes from or what it takes to get it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:04 PM (39g3+)
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The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are slowly being ruined from the top down. Gay men in Boy Scouts, what could possible go wrong? And the Girl Scouts embracing Media Matter and Planned Parenthood. I quit buying from either of them a few years back.
Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2015 12:05 PM (86Sny)
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Something that we here must face is that the percentage of educated, patriotic, American loving and freedom loving people in the country has gone below a critical level.
This is for the most part a majority rules political system and the majority has been convinced to accept a lie as the truth and liars as the founts of wisdom.
We must accept that and understand that it is very possible we won't get the country turned around anytime soon.
The main question is how much damage will have occurred in the time it takes before enough people realize what is happening and demand a reversing of the trend and whether that damage will have been fatal no matter if a reversal is attempted.
This is for the most part a majority rules political system and the majority has been convinced to accept a lie as the truth and liars as the founts of wisdom.
We must accept that and understand that it is very possible we won't get the country turned around anytime soon.
The main question is how much damage will have occurred in the time it takes before enough people realize what is happening and demand a reversing of the trend and whether that damage will have been fatal no matter if a reversal is attempted.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 23, 2015 12:05 PM (zRby/)
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Chelsea thinks she hit a triple but her grifter parents stole 3rd base.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:06 PM (wkuqO)
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And I guess the same goes for the Republicans after yesterday's trade vote.
I strongly suspect that the trade bill contains a replacement for the Import/Export bank, which will be allowed to lapse and the GOP will be given great praise for ending that form of corporate welfare... while voting for a new version of it.
I strongly suspect that the trade bill contains a replacement for the Import/Export bank, which will be allowed to lapse and the GOP will be given great praise for ending that form of corporate welfare... while voting for a new version of it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:06 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:04 PM (39g3+)
Uh food comes from the grocery store and all it takes to get it is an ebt card. Duh.
Everyone knows that!
Uh food comes from the grocery store and all it takes to get it is an ebt card. Duh.
Everyone knows that!
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 12:06 PM (AkOaV)
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Oh, and I have bacon wrapped cinnamon rolls in the oven.
Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2015 12:06 PM (86Sny)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 23, 2015 12:08 PM (XAFOu)
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There's only one cure: for that society to receive a good ass-kicking.
Indeed. America could be saved from collapse by some horrendous event or cataclysm, some vast war or disaster that rallies everyone around a cause. Although given the special snowflake selfish nature of our culture, I doubt we have enough American culture left to save ourselves.
WW2 was only possible because that generation understood sacrifice, patriotism, determination, and something bigger than themselves. I doubt one in ten today has a shred of those values left.
Indeed. America could be saved from collapse by some horrendous event or cataclysm, some vast war or disaster that rallies everyone around a cause. Although given the special snowflake selfish nature of our culture, I doubt we have enough American culture left to save ourselves.
WW2 was only possible because that generation understood sacrifice, patriotism, determination, and something bigger than themselves. I doubt one in ten today has a shred of those values left.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:08 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2015 12:09 PM (86Sny)
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And they are celebrating Ireland's vote for gay marriage so there's that.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 12:09 PM (i7JE3)
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I strongly suspect that the trade bill contains...
I have some strong suspicions too, mostly about immigration, but we plebes aren't allowed to know. The fascists have told us its on super secret double probation.
I have some strong suspicions too, mostly about immigration, but we plebes aren't allowed to know. The fascists have told us its on super secret double probation.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 23, 2015 12:10 PM (ODxAs)
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Who would have guessed Tytler was a prophet.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 23, 2015 12:10 PM (L4QWf)
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When you remove the cultural shame of living on the dole from welfare, what you end up with is generation after generation growing up without a clue that the money they're spending actually represents the time and labor of someone else. They simply presume that money comes in the mail simply for being themselves and they spend it without regard to budget or content because it is free and meaningless. Next month there will always be more.
I don't mind the concept of food for the poorest in an emergency. I'm fine with helping people out when they are down and need a hand up. I don't even mind local government being a part of that. As long as its temporary, awkward, shameful, and limited in scope.
I don't mind the concept of food for the poorest in an emergency. I'm fine with helping people out when they are down and need a hand up. I don't even mind local government being a part of that. As long as its temporary, awkward, shameful, and limited in scope.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:11 PM (39g3+)
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Why would you wish to save a society that offers that as a product. Let them destroy it. It's a mercy killing.
OK, fine.
What replaces it?
Hint: It's ain't a Constitutional Republic. Anyone who believes that it is is deluded.
OK, fine.
What replaces it?
Hint: It's ain't a Constitutional Republic. Anyone who believes that it is is deluded.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 12:11 PM (WvS3w)
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>>We're getting closer and closer to "Hunger Games" type dystopia.
Or down right anarchy. Whether the left likes it or not, this country was founded and prospered under the direction of a bunch of old white guys and it produced the freest, most prosperous society the world has ever known.
The left thinks they can tear down all the institutions that created and sustained this prosperity and freedom with something better but they really have no idea what it is or how to run things. Virtually every large city in America that is under Democrat control is crumbling and in some cases on the verge of chaos. Look at Baltimore. The left has been on a crusade to tear everything down that once made Baltimore a thriving city and what have they replaced it with? Violent crime is skyrocketing and poverty is walking with it hand and hand. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see where it ends up.
Obama is just doing it on a bigger stage. Tearing everything down and releasing the forces of anarchy on the world.
The modern left isn't so much a movement as it is a collection of grievance groups that just want to strike out at "the man". Not only does this make for some strange bedfellows like gays and Muslims it will lead to anarchy once they wake up and realize they are the man and they have no idea how to produce a stable society. Victimhood does not equal leadership no matter how much the left tries to make it so.
Or down right anarchy. Whether the left likes it or not, this country was founded and prospered under the direction of a bunch of old white guys and it produced the freest, most prosperous society the world has ever known.
The left thinks they can tear down all the institutions that created and sustained this prosperity and freedom with something better but they really have no idea what it is or how to run things. Virtually every large city in America that is under Democrat control is crumbling and in some cases on the verge of chaos. Look at Baltimore. The left has been on a crusade to tear everything down that once made Baltimore a thriving city and what have they replaced it with? Violent crime is skyrocketing and poverty is walking with it hand and hand. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see where it ends up.
Obama is just doing it on a bigger stage. Tearing everything down and releasing the forces of anarchy on the world.
The modern left isn't so much a movement as it is a collection of grievance groups that just want to strike out at "the man". Not only does this make for some strange bedfellows like gays and Muslims it will lead to anarchy once they wake up and realize they are the man and they have no idea how to produce a stable society. Victimhood does not equal leadership no matter how much the left tries to make it so.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2015 12:11 PM (g1DWB)
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The scout thing has an interesting predicament. Many troops are hosted by a local church. The local troops tend to stick to the traditional stuff. The money they raise however, supports the agenda of the national org.
Will the churches kick them out? So far it's a no.
Will the churches kick them out? So far it's a no.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 12:12 PM (i7JE3)
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Oops; E-mails show Hillary Cllinton got the name of the Ambassador who was killed in Benghazi wrong. She said his name was Chris Smith which is actually the name of a living member of the House of Reps and one who is from NJ.
http://iotwreport.com/?p=286910
"At this point what difference does it make?!!
Uggh!
Hillary Clinton, unqualified in every way to be an effective President.
http://iotwreport.com/?p=286910
"At this point what difference does it make?!!
Uggh!
Hillary Clinton, unqualified in every way to be an effective President.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 23, 2015 12:12 PM (1sJza)
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Hint: It's ain't a Constitutional Republic. Anyone who believes that it is is deluded.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 12:11 PM (WvS3w)
We have done it before.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 12:11 PM (WvS3w)
We have done it before.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:12 PM (wkuqO)
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re 86 and 101: I wonder how poor someone can be if he's wearing those "beats" headphones that (at amazon) run about $140 and up.
Posted by: mallfly at May 23, 2015 12:12 PM (qSIlh)
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Revolutions end up as bad or worse than what replaced them 99 times out of 100. The fact that the US managed to pull it off is not a rule or a pattern, its an extreme exception.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:14 PM (39g3+)
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As to that "mental disorder" of 50 years ago, that revocation was not a result of any science at all but rather the"vote" of the American Psychological Association which I would bet is somewhat over represented when it comes to practicing homosexuals.
----
I've read some interesting stuff on that. Gay activists were actually invading the psychiatry association meetings, grabbing the microphone and shrieking (as we have seen them do).
The psychiatrists decided that "if homosexuality is not causing them any stress, then it's not a mental health problem." So they took it off the books. HOWEVER... they did not revoke any of their data on what causes homosexuality. This is the important part. It was still considered the result of a distant or abusive father, a clutching over-protective mother, or sexual trauma at an early age. (Although, that data has now been trash-canned, and for merely political reasons.)
Check out Irving Bieber's writings on it.
(Pro-tip: don't just google "Bieber" and "homosexuality," or you'll be busy with 99,000,000 hits.)
----
I've read some interesting stuff on that. Gay activists were actually invading the psychiatry association meetings, grabbing the microphone and shrieking (as we have seen them do).
The psychiatrists decided that "if homosexuality is not causing them any stress, then it's not a mental health problem." So they took it off the books. HOWEVER... they did not revoke any of their data on what causes homosexuality. This is the important part. It was still considered the result of a distant or abusive father, a clutching over-protective mother, or sexual trauma at an early age. (Although, that data has now been trash-canned, and for merely political reasons.)
Check out Irving Bieber's writings on it.
(Pro-tip: don't just google "Bieber" and "homosexuality," or you'll be busy with 99,000,000 hits.)
Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2015 12:14 PM (GhE+a)
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I was born on third base, as well.
Posted by: Sandra Flook at May 23, 2015 12:15 PM (Dwehj)
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Gay activists were actually invading the psychiatry association meetings, grabbing the microphone and shrieking (as we have seen them do).
The psychiatrists decided that "if homosexuality is not causing them any stress, then it's not a mental health problem."
... so having hysterical men rush into your meetings and yell is not a sign of stress?
The psychiatrists decided that "if homosexuality is not causing them any stress, then it's not a mental health problem."
... so having hysterical men rush into your meetings and yell is not a sign of stress?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:16 PM (39g3+)
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128- We did it before when out society revered the Bible, the Magna Carta and Greek and Roman Republics.
Of these that which isn't currently despised is ignored.
Of these that which isn't currently despised is ignored.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 12:16 PM (i7JE3)
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by some lights we're not a Republic anymore but either an oligarchy or fascist tyranny
next stop is what, dictatorship? or anarchy sure.
next stop is what, dictatorship? or anarchy sure.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 23, 2015 12:17 PM (y+W3w)
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Certainly we're not being represented when government tells us we can't know what is in legislation until its been passed. Several times.
The Declaration of Independence becomes more contemporary every year.
The Declaration of Independence becomes more contemporary every year.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:18 PM (39g3+)
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We have done it before.
No, we haven't. I keep pounding this concepts to the LIB types. Our country was not established from chaos and collapse. The American Revolution was a disagreement between two groups of English citizens over their rights as Englishmen. The economy didn't collapse, there wasn't widespread starvation, and for all we cast George III as a tyrant, the chains the colonists sought to overthrow were nothing compared to the ones we voluntarily wear today. Nothing.
No, we haven't. I keep pounding this concepts to the LIB types. Our country was not established from chaos and collapse. The American Revolution was a disagreement between two groups of English citizens over their rights as Englishmen. The economy didn't collapse, there wasn't widespread starvation, and for all we cast George III as a tyrant, the chains the colonists sought to overthrow were nothing compared to the ones we voluntarily wear today. Nothing.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 12:19 PM (WvS3w)
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Bigby- What republic would allow it's representatives to pass laws that they hadn't read and wouldn't allow the people to see?
Not sure what we are but I'm sure what we aren't anymore.
Not sure what we are but I'm sure what we aren't anymore.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 12:19 PM (i7JE3)
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my new handle - 22
The left has a thing for false equivalence. Maybe it's inevitable, since they're nihilists and everything is equally horrible.
At any rate, they're wrong.
Not all ideas are equal; some are demonstrably better than others. The best ones are those that most closely comport with reality.
Reality's Truth may be difficult to know, but it's not impossible.
The ideas of the enlightenment are better than Communism because they are closer to reality and Truth.
That's why they are better, even though they're 3 centuries older.
The left has a thing for false equivalence. Maybe it's inevitable, since they're nihilists and everything is equally horrible.
At any rate, they're wrong.
Not all ideas are equal; some are demonstrably better than others. The best ones are those that most closely comport with reality.
Reality's Truth may be difficult to know, but it's not impossible.
The ideas of the enlightenment are better than Communism because they are closer to reality and Truth.
That's why they are better, even though they're 3 centuries older.
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 12:19 PM (axNZt)
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Yes, Auntie Doodles at May 23, 2015 11:12 AM
Wives were sequestered during the "Golden Age of Athens", when married men were encouraged to "mentor" boys, sometimes with sex. Sex between males was considered to be superior to sex with one's wife because it was free of the spiritual contamination of family concerns. Affection toward wives was rare enough that one case of a man describing his grief over losing his wife merited special mention by Will Durant.
Women were treated worse during the Golden Age than during the earlier classical period when, for example, Antigone was written. There were a few female prostitutes who had a degree of freedom and prosperity during the Golden Age.
Wives were sequestered during the "Golden Age of Athens", when married men were encouraged to "mentor" boys, sometimes with sex. Sex between males was considered to be superior to sex with one's wife because it was free of the spiritual contamination of family concerns. Affection toward wives was rare enough that one case of a man describing his grief over losing his wife merited special mention by Will Durant.
Women were treated worse during the Golden Age than during the earlier classical period when, for example, Antigone was written. There were a few female prostitutes who had a degree of freedom and prosperity during the Golden Age.
Posted by: KT bar the door at May 23, 2015 12:21 PM (qahv/)
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137 We have done it before.
No, we haven't. I keep pounding this concepts to the LIB types. Our country was not established from chaos and collapse. The American Revolution was a disagreement between two groups of English citizens over their rights as Englishmen. The economy didn't collapse, there wasn't widespread starvation, and for all we cast George III as a tyrant, the chains the colonists sought to overthrow were nothing compared to the ones we voluntarily wear today. Nothing.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 12:19 PM (WvS3w)
Describe how the burning can be prevented.
And be advised the LiB crowd does not want to start the burning.
137 We have done it before.
No, we haven't. I keep pounding this concepts to the LIB types. Our country was not established from chaos and collapse. The American Revolution was a disagreement between two groups of English citizens over their rights as Englishmen. The economy didn't collapse, there wasn't widespread starvation, and for all we cast George III as a tyrant, the chains the colonists sought to overthrow were nothing compared to the ones we voluntarily wear today. Nothing.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 12:19 PM (WvS3w)
Describe how the burning can be prevented.
And be advised the LiB crowd does not want to start the burning.
Posted by: eman at May 23, 2015 12:22 PM (MQEz6)
142
137
That is a pretty negative outlook about our chances. I think we still have exceptional people here.
That is a pretty negative outlook about our chances. I think we still have exceptional people here.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:24 PM (wkuqO)
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142 137
That is a pretty negative outlook about our chances. I think we still have exceptional people here.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:24 PM (wkuqO)
2008 and 2012 say ahem.
142 137
That is a pretty negative outlook about our chances. I think we still have exceptional people here.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:24 PM (wkuqO)
2008 and 2012 say ahem.
Posted by: eman at May 23, 2015 12:25 PM (MQEz6)
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Dave S - 32
Becoming accustomed to things is natural.
Your hand is a miracle of functionality and design, but if you spent all day marveling at it you'd never be able to write.
Becoming accustomed is necessary in order to improve from the new baseline. If most people don't understand that, it's because they aren't the ones doing the improving.
Becoming accustomed to things is natural.
Your hand is a miracle of functionality and design, but if you spent all day marveling at it you'd never be able to write.
Becoming accustomed is necessary in order to improve from the new baseline. If most people don't understand that, it's because they aren't the ones doing the improving.
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 12:25 PM (axNZt)
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:26 PM (wkuqO)
146
I am now officially a Pirouette.
Posted by: Michael Samm at May 23, 2015 12:27 PM (Dwehj)
147
WeirdDave, you just illuminated something for me. My illiberal s-I-l made the third base comment at a Rockies game (because everything must be politicized 
) and I knew it meant something, but had no idea what.
Now I have the background story. Thanks!
By the way, you have successfully given voice to an idea. There is no need to apologize because the idea needs further development. You have planted the seed, and it will grow and develop in our minds and future conversations.
) and I knew it meant something, but had no idea what.
Now I have the background story. Thanks!
By the way, you have successfully given voice to an idea. There is no need to apologize because the idea needs further development. You have planted the seed, and it will grow and develop in our minds and future conversations.
Posted by: Mindy at May 23, 2015 12:27 PM (WS8WT)
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just saying-
We have a people with NO moorings. They enjoy rights for reasons they don't understand, based on things they outright mock and reject. That is not a formula for a grand restructuring.
Best case scenario in a complete collapse is increased freedom pockets and tyranny in the rest.
We have a people with NO moorings. They enjoy rights for reasons they don't understand, based on things they outright mock and reject. That is not a formula for a grand restructuring.
Best case scenario in a complete collapse is increased freedom pockets and tyranny in the rest.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 23, 2015 12:27 PM (i7JE3)
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Wives were sequestered during the "Golden Age of Athens", when married men were encouraged to "mentor" boys, sometimes with sex. Sex between males was considered to be superior to sex with one's wife because it was free of the spiritual contamination of family concerns.
That was not broadly accepted across culture, according to historians. It was an elite corrupt portion of the richest. Most people in Athens had neither the time or inclination for anything of the sort. In fact a large section of them were slaves.
That was not broadly accepted across culture, according to historians. It was an elite corrupt portion of the richest. Most people in Athens had neither the time or inclination for anything of the sort. In fact a large section of them were slaves.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:28 PM (39g3+)
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146 I am now officially a Pirouette.
Posted by: Michael Samm at May 23, 2015 12:27 PM (Dwehj)
Any bets on how long he lasts in Canada? Gone before their season is over is a good bet I think.
146 I am now officially a Pirouette.
Posted by: Michael Samm at May 23, 2015 12:27 PM (Dwehj)
Any bets on how long he lasts in Canada? Gone before their season is over is a good bet I think.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2015 12:29 PM (zt+N6)
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The media will not rest until I've been enshrined in Canton.
Posted by: Michael Samm at May 23, 2015 12:33 PM (Dwehj)
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What set of peaceful steps will produce the end of cronyism, the end of entitlements, the collapse of Federal hegemony, the restoration of representative government, the end of socialism, and the end of ruinous taxation?
Posted by: eman at May 23, 2015 12:36 PM (MQEz6)
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The road to our future runs through the return to Constitutional governance, as the Founders intended.
Minus this, the future is chaos.
But it will require a moral and ethical class of people to do this.
They exist,and must be nurtured and edified.
The road to our future runs through the return to Constitutional governance, as the Founders intended.
Minus this, the future is chaos.
But it will require a moral and ethical class of people to do this.
They exist,and must be nurtured and edified.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 23, 2015 12:37 PM (jeCnD)
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It's the Pilates.
Posted by: Activist Gay at May 23, 2015 10:57 AM (VAsIq)
Especially that Pontius c*cksucker.
Posted by: Activist Gay at May 23, 2015 10:57 AM (VAsIq)
Especially that Pontius c*cksucker.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2015 12:38 PM (weHNX)
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Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 12:19 PM (WvS3w)
Well Dave, even in the most horrific economic collapses (Argentina, Zimbabwe, Weimar Germany), there wasn't widespread starving in the streets (at least not much more widespread then it had been before the currency collapsed).
I don't think that's how an economic collapse would play out in the US. I think it would be more of a slow devaluation, with people switching to alternative "currencies" in a more barter based economy until a new currency (hopefully backed by SOMETHING and not just fiat) came along.
Who knows though? So many moving pieces...
Well Dave, even in the most horrific economic collapses (Argentina, Zimbabwe, Weimar Germany), there wasn't widespread starving in the streets (at least not much more widespread then it had been before the currency collapsed).
I don't think that's how an economic collapse would play out in the US. I think it would be more of a slow devaluation, with people switching to alternative "currencies" in a more barter based economy until a new currency (hopefully backed by SOMETHING and not just fiat) came along.
Who knows though? So many moving pieces...
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 12:39 PM (AkOaV)
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An analogy I have used is to describe them as hot house flowers that have overgrown their pots.
Last night got to sit through a high school graduation. Pass Christian Pirates class of 2015. Think it was the principle got up there and trotted out advice from kindergarteners and one of the pearls was - "even boys can go to college." The salutatorian, seems he is a theta male, was quoting Milky Virus as some profound thinker. They were called the Unbreakable class because Katrina hit while they were in third grade. And after all 131 were officially graduated there was the final bit of narcissism - a slide show of baby pictures that lasted five songs including Simple Minds 'Don't you forget about me,' one song and slideshow to memorialize the classmate who died, and finally a music video by the class. And then it was finally over.
Geez.
Last night got to sit through a high school graduation. Pass Christian Pirates class of 2015. Think it was the principle got up there and trotted out advice from kindergarteners and one of the pearls was - "even boys can go to college." The salutatorian, seems he is a theta male, was quoting Milky Virus as some profound thinker. They were called the Unbreakable class because Katrina hit while they were in third grade. And after all 131 were officially graduated there was the final bit of narcissism - a slide show of baby pictures that lasted five songs including Simple Minds 'Don't you forget about me,' one song and slideshow to memorialize the classmate who died, and finally a music video by the class. And then it was finally over.
Geez.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 23, 2015 12:40 PM (VFat/)
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An Article 5 state's convention seems the only peaceful way. I don't give it much of a chance. Even then the people would be slow to give up their free stuff. I can only see an economic collapse in the future.
The main reason I don't give an article 5 a chance is the states like their hand outs from the feds. Free money is like crack.
An Article 5 state's convention seems the only peaceful way. I don't give it much of a chance. Even then the people would be slow to give up their free stuff. I can only see an economic collapse in the future.
The main reason I don't give an article 5 a chance is the states like their hand outs from the feds. Free money is like crack.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:41 PM (wkuqO)
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What set of peaceful steps will produce the end of cronyism, the end of entitlements, the collapse of Federal hegemony, the restoration of representative government, the end of socialism, and the end of ruinous taxation?
An act of mercy by God. Barring that? I don't see one. Our culture has become so corrupted and enslaved its not able to bring about the changes needed. We get the government we choose and deserve in a democracy. This situation wasn't forced on us by mean people in power, we voters chose it as a nation, over successive generations.
I even see conservatives tainted by this. The reaction "there oughta be a law" or "the government should..." is the kneejerk first reaction to anything. Not "we need to..." or "how can we..." but appeals to government to be our solution. And too often the left's worldview creeps into our reactions in other ways. Just fifteen years ago everyone here laughed at and mocked the very idea of homosexual marriage. It was ridiculous, stupid, absurd. It was nonsense, without sense or reason.
Now? A lot of the people here think you're terrible if you oppose it. That's not the result of conservative thought or the nation's founding principles. That's leftist ideology creeping in.
An act of mercy by God. Barring that? I don't see one. Our culture has become so corrupted and enslaved its not able to bring about the changes needed. We get the government we choose and deserve in a democracy. This situation wasn't forced on us by mean people in power, we voters chose it as a nation, over successive generations.
I even see conservatives tainted by this. The reaction "there oughta be a law" or "the government should..." is the kneejerk first reaction to anything. Not "we need to..." or "how can we..." but appeals to government to be our solution. And too often the left's worldview creeps into our reactions in other ways. Just fifteen years ago everyone here laughed at and mocked the very idea of homosexual marriage. It was ridiculous, stupid, absurd. It was nonsense, without sense or reason.
Now? A lot of the people here think you're terrible if you oppose it. That's not the result of conservative thought or the nation's founding principles. That's leftist ideology creeping in.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:41 PM (39g3+)
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>>>>>But it will require a moral and ethical class of people to do this.
They exist,and must be nurtured and edified.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 23, 2015 12:37 PM (jeCnD)
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^THIS^
This is one of the things our church does. I try to do this at work (college math instructor) as well, but it involves some swimming upstream.
They exist,and must be nurtured and edified.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 23, 2015 12:37 PM (jeCnD)
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^THIS^
This is one of the things our church does. I try to do this at work (college math instructor) as well, but it involves some swimming upstream.
Posted by: Mindy at May 23, 2015 12:42 PM (WS8WT)
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a slide show of baby pictures that lasted five songs including Simple Minds 'Don't you forget about me,' one song and slideshow to memorialize the classmate who died, and finally a music video by the class. And then it was finally over.
So no actual men were involved in planning this out then.
So no actual men were involved in planning this out then.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:43 PM (39g3+)
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Free money is like crack.
But its not eternal, and worse, when it runs out, the people it has been propping up are not only out of free stuff, but utterly unprepared to deal with the lack. In other words, they're worse off than they would have been if there never had been free money to begin with.
But its not eternal, and worse, when it runs out, the people it has been propping up are not only out of free stuff, but utterly unprepared to deal with the lack. In other words, they're worse off than they would have been if there never had been free money to begin with.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:44 PM (39g3+)
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As for Islam meets gay, oh, there's plenty of homosexuality going on
there, as of course it works be when the sexes are so strictly
segregated. But they are not gay the way gays are here, as they are not
effeminate. For them it is about masculinity, much in the way it was for
the Greeks, Romans and most other ancient cultures.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at May 23, 2015 11:20 AM (nBiPV)
The muzzies are more pederast than gay. It's OK to be a "pitcher", "catcher", not so much.
As for Islam meets gay, oh, there's plenty of homosexuality going on
there, as of course it works be when the sexes are so strictly
segregated. But they are not gay the way gays are here, as they are not
effeminate. For them it is about masculinity, much in the way it was for
the Greeks, Romans and most other ancient cultures.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at May 23, 2015 11:20 AM (nBiPV)
The muzzies are more pederast than gay. It's OK to be a "pitcher", "catcher", not so much.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2015 12:46 PM (weHNX)
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These "fundamental concepts" posts are small beer. They aren't deep or fundamental, and really don't stimulate any real thought. Since they also seem to have taken space from Kate Upton-udates, why not just chuck them?
All they do is show how shallow one can be when posing as thinking deeply.
All they do is show how shallow one can be when posing as thinking deeply.
Posted by: George LeS at May 23, 2015 12:46 PM (mpZYi)
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Have I been missing something all my life,thinking we live in a Republic instead of a democracy?
I keep hearing us referred to as a democracy--was Franklin in error?
Have I been missing something all my life,thinking we live in a Republic instead of a democracy?
I keep hearing us referred to as a democracy--was Franklin in error?
Posted by: irongrampa at May 23, 2015 12:47 PM (jeCnD)
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Wouldn't it have been quicker and easier to just type "I disagree," George LeS?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:47 PM (39g3+)
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Yes they like to bugger young boys. Women aren't clean but assholes are? Never mind, not a serious question.
Yes they like to bugger young boys. Women aren't clean but assholes are? Never mind, not a serious question.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:48 PM (wkuqO)
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The politicians and 52% have no desire to be free people. They just want to enslave us. The dumbing down of edikachun has wrought two or more generations of special snowflakes. They will not fare well when the collapse happens.
Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2015 12:49 PM (86Sny)
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I keep hearing us referred to as a democracy--was Franklin in error?
Small 'd' democracy refers to a collective nation which elects its officials and enjoys freedom. Its just short hand for a set of concepts that defines a free country. Big 'D' Democracy is the idea that Franklin opposed, where you have no representation, only a general vote.
Small 'd' democracy refers to a collective nation which elects its officials and enjoys freedom. Its just short hand for a set of concepts that defines a free country. Big 'D' Democracy is the idea that Franklin opposed, where you have no representation, only a general vote.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:49 PM (39g3+)
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An Article 5 state's convention seems the only
peaceful way. I don't give it much of a chance. Even then the people
would be slow to give up their free stuff. I can only see an economic
collapse in the future.
The main reason I don't give an article 5 a chance is the states like their hand outs from the feds. Free money is like crack.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:41 PM (wkuqO)
National divorce is the only answer IMHO. And it will not be peaceful
peaceful way. I don't give it much of a chance. Even then the people
would be slow to give up their free stuff. I can only see an economic
collapse in the future.
The main reason I don't give an article 5 a chance is the states like their hand outs from the feds. Free money is like crack.
Posted by: just saying at May 23, 2015 12:41 PM (wkuqO)
National divorce is the only answer IMHO. And it will not be peaceful
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 23, 2015 12:54 PM (R8hU8)
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Posted by: George LeS at May 23, 2015 12:46 PM (mpZYi)
While I won't knock ya for watching more Kate Upton, weekend posts are kind of a change of pace.
I like Dave's fundamental concept posts. Don't always agree with everything he writes, but I like the change of pace from the daily "soap opera" that is the news.
Plus, it does open discussion for more "fundamentals" and allows commenters to flesh out different ideas.
But if it's not your cup of tea, feel free to skip it.
Easy enough, right?
While I won't knock ya for watching more Kate Upton, weekend posts are kind of a change of pace.
I like Dave's fundamental concept posts. Don't always agree with everything he writes, but I like the change of pace from the daily "soap opera" that is the news.
Plus, it does open discussion for more "fundamentals" and allows commenters to flesh out different ideas.
But if it's not your cup of tea, feel free to skip it.
Easy enough, right?
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 12:55 PM (AkOaV)
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watching = wanting
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 23, 2015 12:56 PM (AkOaV)
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Not Dubya, Poppy Bush, but your point holds.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 10:52 AM (WvS3w)
Even so, W isn't exactly lazy either. Compared to Preznit 404, he's Jack LaLanne.
Posted by: Weirddave at May 23, 2015 10:52 AM (WvS3w)
Even so, W isn't exactly lazy either. Compared to Preznit 404, he's Jack LaLanne.
Posted by: Bill H at May 23, 2015 12:56 PM (Baojj)
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Christopher Taylor - 118
"WW2 was only possible because that generation understood sacrifice, patriotism, determination, and something bigger than themselves. I doubt one in ten today has a shred of those values left."
The "Greatest Generation" was nothing of the sort, IMO. They were marginally better than the current generation because their heads contained less leftist drivel, but that's not the same as greatness.
I think they were not much different from the founders' generation, which is to say, mostly inert lumps of humanity 97% of whom took no side in the Revolutionary War.
The "Greatest Generation" were average people who had war thrust upon them, mainly through their own failing to see what was coming.
"WW2 was only possible because that generation understood sacrifice, patriotism, determination, and something bigger than themselves. I doubt one in ten today has a shred of those values left."
The "Greatest Generation" was nothing of the sort, IMO. They were marginally better than the current generation because their heads contained less leftist drivel, but that's not the same as greatness.
I think they were not much different from the founders' generation, which is to say, mostly inert lumps of humanity 97% of whom took no side in the Revolutionary War.
The "Greatest Generation" were average people who had war thrust upon them, mainly through their own failing to see what was coming.
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 01:00 PM (axNZt)
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Christopher Taylor at May 23, 2015 12:28 PM
Thanks for pointing that out, Christopher. Women, slaves, peasants, were pretty much marginalized during the Golden Age.
Years ago, an indignant gay caller challenged Dennis Prager to explain why male on male sex should not be celebrated and promoted, given the beauty created during the Golden Age of Athens. Dennis replied that they valued beauty over goodness.
Today's left doesn't even have the "beauty" part going for it.
Thanks for pointing that out, Christopher. Women, slaves, peasants, were pretty much marginalized during the Golden Age.
Years ago, an indignant gay caller challenged Dennis Prager to explain why male on male sex should not be celebrated and promoted, given the beauty created during the Golden Age of Athens. Dennis replied that they valued beauty over goodness.
Today's left doesn't even have the "beauty" part going for it.
Posted by: KT bar the door at May 23, 2015 01:04 PM (qahv/)
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2015 01:04 PM (zt+N6)
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Something like that Christopher Taylor.
Dress code was also right out the window. Guys wearing sneakers with cap and gown paled next to the women. Flats and sandals were mundane. Wedges, even a solid black pair, were seen. One set of lime green ankle socks. Four pairs of red heels and one pair of metallic gold, check. Then there were the taupe and the leopard print shoes with the three inch heels.
Dress code was also right out the window. Guys wearing sneakers with cap and gown paled next to the women. Flats and sandals were mundane. Wedges, even a solid black pair, were seen. One set of lime green ankle socks. Four pairs of red heels and one pair of metallic gold, check. Then there were the taupe and the leopard print shoes with the three inch heels.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 23, 2015 01:06 PM (VFat/)
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Dave, what you're digging at is the root of why lefties are so virulently against religious belief: their projection of their own use of "it's for your own good" as a means of sugar-coating pure evil fascist power lust.
Simply put, they don't believe Christians and Jews and Muslims actually believe what they say; they think they're doing like leftists do, which is lying about their true motivations to control others.
And you are right. Leftists don't have the faintest clue of how anything works, nor do they intend to learn; they simply think they can "do better". Here in the Bay Area, we are plagued on an annual basis with people who want to blow up the Hetch Hetchy dam reservoir in the Sierra Nevada so that the valley can be "restored". When you ask them where they intend to find replacement water for somewhere north of 4 million people -- or how they intend for "the poor" that they sniffle over to cover the 500% increase in the electric bill from the loss of cheap hydropower -- word salad, baby, often with a few "homophobic" or "corporate shill" thrown in.
The short answer is we may be beyond the tipping point and the only thing that's going to save society is a cataclysm. Preferably one that hits Washington, DC directly and forces the states to actually act as independent thinking entities again.
Simply put, they don't believe Christians and Jews and Muslims actually believe what they say; they think they're doing like leftists do, which is lying about their true motivations to control others.
And you are right. Leftists don't have the faintest clue of how anything works, nor do they intend to learn; they simply think they can "do better". Here in the Bay Area, we are plagued on an annual basis with people who want to blow up the Hetch Hetchy dam reservoir in the Sierra Nevada so that the valley can be "restored". When you ask them where they intend to find replacement water for somewhere north of 4 million people -- or how they intend for "the poor" that they sniffle over to cover the 500% increase in the electric bill from the loss of cheap hydropower -- word salad, baby, often with a few "homophobic" or "corporate shill" thrown in.
The short answer is we may be beyond the tipping point and the only thing that's going to save society is a cataclysm. Preferably one that hits Washington, DC directly and forces the states to actually act as independent thinking entities again.
Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at May 23, 2015 01:06 PM (fGyAu)
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Weirddave - 124
"What replaces it [the current society]?
Hint: It's ain't a Constitutional Republic. Anyone who believes that it is is deluded."
I'm starting to wonder if that's not a feature.
We've been suffering under 50 years (or more) of progressive failure in the inner cities, and what plans do conservatives have to solve it?
I can't think of anything remotely plausible, or on a timeline that any of us will live to see accomplished.
What I see are people so culturally whipped that there's no plan at all other than to let the abomination continue.
I notice that the first people the Nazis shot were Communists. That was a good thing.
"What replaces it [the current society]?
Hint: It's ain't a Constitutional Republic. Anyone who believes that it is is deluded."
I'm starting to wonder if that's not a feature.
We've been suffering under 50 years (or more) of progressive failure in the inner cities, and what plans do conservatives have to solve it?
I can't think of anything remotely plausible, or on a timeline that any of us will live to see accomplished.
What I see are people so culturally whipped that there's no plan at all other than to let the abomination continue.
I notice that the first people the Nazis shot were Communists. That was a good thing.
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 01:06 PM (axNZt)
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The media will not rest until I've been enshrined in Canton.
Posted by: Michael Samm at May 23, 2015 12:33 PM (Dwehj)
How's it goin' up there in Canada, eh? Eating lots of that back bacon?
Posted by: Michael Samm at May 23, 2015 12:33 PM (Dwehj)
How's it goin' up there in Canada, eh? Eating lots of that back bacon?
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 23, 2015 01:10 PM (tiyBy)
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Dress code was also right out the window. Guys
wearing sneakers with cap and gown paled next to the women. Flats and
sandals were mundane. Wedges, even a solid black pair, were seen. One
set of lime green ankle socks. Four pairs of red heels and one pair of
metallic gold, check. Then there were the taupe and the leopard print
shoes with the three inch heels.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 23, 2015 01:06 PM (VFat/)
Sounds like they showed all the baby pictures because the kids haven't yet gotten over it. Being babies, I mean.
What would they have done if a parent refused to give them a baby pic of lil' Leroy?
wearing sneakers with cap and gown paled next to the women. Flats and
sandals were mundane. Wedges, even a solid black pair, were seen. One
set of lime green ankle socks. Four pairs of red heels and one pair of
metallic gold, check. Then there were the taupe and the leopard print
shoes with the three inch heels.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 23, 2015 01:06 PM (VFat/)
Sounds like they showed all the baby pictures because the kids haven't yet gotten over it. Being babies, I mean.
What would they have done if a parent refused to give them a baby pic of lil' Leroy?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2015 01:10 PM (weHNX)
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I think one of the reasons I love South Korea so much is their historical knowledge of their seniors. This was a country that was in ruins just over 62 years ago. Yet they one of the largest, most successful economies in the world.
If anything ever happened, an EMP for instance, there's considerable knowledge to draw upon to rebuild. Western societies have had it so good for so long, the knowledge of what it took to reach those heights isn't really there.
If anything ever happened, an EMP for instance, there's considerable knowledge to draw upon to rebuild. Western societies have had it so good for so long, the knowledge of what it took to reach those heights isn't really there.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 23, 2015 01:11 PM (AC0lD)
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The "Greatest Generation" were average people who had war thrust upon them, mainly through their own failing to see what was coming.
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 01:00 PM (axNZt)
Their own failure to see what was coming? Those were 18 and 21 year olds charging onto the beach at Normandy. You're holding them responsible for not stopping Hitler or forseeing Pearl Harbor? That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. It was their elders who did the appeasing.
It's true enough that they voted for Big Government in the post-war period. Their childhood memories of the Depression had much to do with that. As Walter Russell Mead has pointed out, the Blue State model (Big Government, Big Business, Big Unions) seemed to work quite well in the late '40's and 1950's. The WWII generation did not realize that was an anomaly and as soon as countries who had been flattened by WWII were in a position to compete with us, we began to run into trouble.
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 01:00 PM (axNZt)
Their own failure to see what was coming? Those were 18 and 21 year olds charging onto the beach at Normandy. You're holding them responsible for not stopping Hitler or forseeing Pearl Harbor? That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. It was their elders who did the appeasing.
It's true enough that they voted for Big Government in the post-war period. Their childhood memories of the Depression had much to do with that. As Walter Russell Mead has pointed out, the Blue State model (Big Government, Big Business, Big Unions) seemed to work quite well in the late '40's and 1950's. The WWII generation did not realize that was an anomaly and as soon as countries who had been flattened by WWII were in a position to compete with us, we began to run into trouble.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at May 23, 2015 01:14 PM (+XMAD)
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Dave,
These concepts pieces are great reading and while you may not like how it flowed for you IMO it's still good "stuff".
I hardly ever bother to comment despite this being my second or third page I visit every single day (even from abroad).
Keep on preaching brother I share these posts all over because they are just so on point and timely.
These concepts pieces are great reading and while you may not like how it flowed for you IMO it's still good "stuff".
I hardly ever bother to comment despite this being my second or third page I visit every single day (even from abroad).
Keep on preaching brother I share these posts all over because they are just so on point and timely.
Posted by: ATGinCT at May 23, 2015 01:35 PM (N1ljp)
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Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) - 182
Somebody was responsible for the isolationism, and over 18 is old enough to vote. If their leaders should've seen what was coming and didn't, then who is responsible for electing those leaders?
People get the government they deserve. In fact, since the government is us, there really isn't a government. The voters are always responsible.
We can see that in the current dilemma: Obama is a moron, but he'll be gone in 1.5 years. What do we do about the voters who elected him?
Somebody was responsible for the isolationism, and over 18 is old enough to vote. If their leaders should've seen what was coming and didn't, then who is responsible for electing those leaders?
People get the government they deserve. In fact, since the government is us, there really isn't a government. The voters are always responsible.
We can see that in the current dilemma: Obama is a moron, but he'll be gone in 1.5 years. What do we do about the voters who elected him?
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 01:35 PM (axNZt)
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Somebody was responsible for the isolationism, and over 18 is old enough
to vote. If their leaders should've seen what was coming and didn't,
then who is responsible for electing those leaders?
Old enough to vote when?
to vote. If their leaders should've seen what was coming and didn't,
then who is responsible for electing those leaders?
Old enough to vote when?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 23, 2015 01:39 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 23, 2015 01:42 PM (VFat/)
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184 Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) - 182
Somebody was responsible for the isolationism, and over 18 is old enough to vote. If their leaders should've seen what was coming and didn't, then who is responsible for electing those leaders?
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 01:35 PM (axNZt)
The minimum voting age was 21 until the 26th amendment was ratified in 1971.
The WWII generation were those who came of age shortly before and during WWII. They were not in positions of power, just as the Boomers were not in power during the 60s.
Somebody was responsible for the isolationism, and over 18 is old enough to vote. If their leaders should've seen what was coming and didn't, then who is responsible for electing those leaders?
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 01:35 PM (axNZt)
The minimum voting age was 21 until the 26th amendment was ratified in 1971.
The WWII generation were those who came of age shortly before and during WWII. They were not in positions of power, just as the Boomers were not in power during the 60s.
Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2015 01:56 PM (sdi6R)
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This is sort of a footnote and not meant to knock Donna's good comment, but one should never expect Mead to say anything correct or interesting or not obvious, in this casethe "blue model" did not work in the 40s and 50s, in the sense it was nothing like the blue model as it has developed.
Look at every aspect of the size of govt. and its impact on society and the economy in that period vs. today. No comparison, completely different animals.
Economically of course it was a completely different world, even leaving aside the (currently) massive and decisive role of non-market (govt.) factors.
Some areas there's overlap between economics and public sector. Public school teachers of that period, up through the 60s early 70s, produced dramatically superior educational outcomes than today, on average. Most of them had to have second jobs/summer jobs to make ends meet (today in blue states they rank ahead of average real economy workers in total compensation, which doesn't even count their totally superior position on job security). Lots of wheels turning in that picture, of course.
Look at every aspect of the size of govt. and its impact on society and the economy in that period vs. today. No comparison, completely different animals.
Economically of course it was a completely different world, even leaving aside the (currently) massive and decisive role of non-market (govt.) factors.
Some areas there's overlap between economics and public sector. Public school teachers of that period, up through the 60s early 70s, produced dramatically superior educational outcomes than today, on average. Most of them had to have second jobs/summer jobs to make ends meet (today in blue states they rank ahead of average real economy workers in total compensation, which doesn't even count their totally superior position on job security). Lots of wheels turning in that picture, of course.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2015 02:15 PM (QDnY+)
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"50 years ago their lesbianism would have been classified as a mental disorder"
it is still a disorder as someone else before me rightly pointed out
"that society is ripe for takeover by a society more confident in its own founding principles. That's what is happening in Europe, the confident interloper is Islam, and I really don't think it all ends well for the gays. "
it's called poetic justice and other 2 things need to happen. That gays are forcefully prevented from immigrating countries that did not succumb to idiotic ghey marriage rights and that nobody that is on the right side of history successfully immigrating to those countries does not start with the crazy idea to help bring in his 'moderate' gay friend.
it is still a disorder as someone else before me rightly pointed out
"that society is ripe for takeover by a society more confident in its own founding principles. That's what is happening in Europe, the confident interloper is Islam, and I really don't think it all ends well for the gays. "
it's called poetic justice and other 2 things need to happen. That gays are forcefully prevented from immigrating countries that did not succumb to idiotic ghey marriage rights and that nobody that is on the right side of history successfully immigrating to those countries does not start with the crazy idea to help bring in his 'moderate' gay friend.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 23, 2015 02:41 PM (ZGx3T)
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I was just thinking about the possibility of Islamic "backlash" against the Progs. One of the things that disgusts me with the Progs is that they are Moloch worshipers with absolutely no problem with infanticide. While there can be some arguments for abortion, it should be an anguish-making decision for the parents and not something to be done for trivial reasons.
I rather suspect that the murderous Mohammadans in ISIS and such groups have to be aghast at the thought of late-term abortion. One way or the other, things are not going to end well for the Leftists.
I rather suspect that the murderous Mohammadans in ISIS and such groups have to be aghast at the thought of late-term abortion. One way or the other, things are not going to end well for the Leftists.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 23, 2015 04:02 PM (8+0sF)
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To the writer: I disagree with your assessment of this piece; on the contrary, it's about as succinct a summing-up of a complex phenomenon with many moving parts as I've seen, and I plan to send it to a few people.
Progressive arguments are easy to make, because they tend to be of a rather simplistic "if we do away with this mean, silly, outdated convention, then this magic will happen" nature, while cavalierly ignoring such myriad factors as the costs and far-reaching implications of whatever dumbass policy they're pushing. A true conservative argument, on the other hand, is much trickier thing to pull off, dealing as it must with why said mean, outdated conventions came, over time, to be in the first place, and why one should think twice about discarding them overnight. I think you've done a nice job of that here.
A while back, i send a friend a "Can you believe this?" text about some new gay overreach or other, and he came back at me with "omg the friggin gays". That phrase became our shorthand for every new outrage that's happened since--including the one you used as an example here.
(And just so you know, my friend and I are both gay.)
Progressive arguments are easy to make, because they tend to be of a rather simplistic "if we do away with this mean, silly, outdated convention, then this magic will happen" nature, while cavalierly ignoring such myriad factors as the costs and far-reaching implications of whatever dumbass policy they're pushing. A true conservative argument, on the other hand, is much trickier thing to pull off, dealing as it must with why said mean, outdated conventions came, over time, to be in the first place, and why one should think twice about discarding them overnight. I think you've done a nice job of that here.
A while back, i send a friend a "Can you believe this?" text about some new gay overreach or other, and he came back at me with "omg the friggin gays". That phrase became our shorthand for every new outrage that's happened since--including the one you used as an example here.
(And just so you know, my friend and I are both gay.)
Posted by: mkf at May 23, 2015 04:14 PM (NbfE0)
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"The Greatest Generation, also known as the G.I. Generation, is the generation that includes the veterans who fought in World War II. They were born from around 1901 through 1924, coming of age during the Great Depression. Journalist Tom Brokaw dubbed this the Greatest Generation in a book of the same name."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation#List_of_generations
The vanguard of this cohort would've been eligible to vote as early as 1922 (thanks for the info about the voting age. Now I've learned something).
Fully 75% of the GG were voting before the US entry into WW II in 1941.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation#List_of_generations
The vanguard of this cohort would've been eligible to vote as early as 1922 (thanks for the info about the voting age. Now I've learned something).
Fully 75% of the GG were voting before the US entry into WW II in 1941.
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 23, 2015 04:20 PM (axNZt)
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don't understand the jeweler case, either. the two women received their rings, and they had their marriage. when they find out the jeweler doesn't support gay marriage, they are enraged and decide to sue him? huh? on what grounds?
the problem with the rainbow coalition is that what they reallyyyyyyy want is acceptance. they want to be validated. they want people to like them. well, you can't force people to think the way you want them to. sure, with enough force, you can get 'em to obey, but that has nothing to do with belief.
seems to me that the rainbow rights activists are just being lazy. the trend over the past 20 odd years has been acceptance, but this isn't good enough. well, if they want complete acceptance and support for gay marriage, then perhaps they should start trying to engage in a persuasive dialogue instead of resorting to bullying, harassment, intimidation - what is essentially - force.
the radical idea here is gay marriage, not traditional marriage. while i could honestly careless about the issue as it ranks low in importance, i am astounded by the tactics of the rainbow cabal.
what they can't accept is that many people do not agree with them. period. well, the way our political system works is that if one is passionate about an issue, well, then one needs to do the hard work of changing the other side's mind.
the rainbow rights brown shirts haven't done this. they are too politically lazy to do the work.
the problem with the rainbow coalition is that what they reallyyyyyyy want is acceptance. they want to be validated. they want people to like them. well, you can't force people to think the way you want them to. sure, with enough force, you can get 'em to obey, but that has nothing to do with belief.
seems to me that the rainbow rights activists are just being lazy. the trend over the past 20 odd years has been acceptance, but this isn't good enough. well, if they want complete acceptance and support for gay marriage, then perhaps they should start trying to engage in a persuasive dialogue instead of resorting to bullying, harassment, intimidation - what is essentially - force.
the radical idea here is gay marriage, not traditional marriage. while i could honestly careless about the issue as it ranks low in importance, i am astounded by the tactics of the rainbow cabal.
what they can't accept is that many people do not agree with them. period. well, the way our political system works is that if one is passionate about an issue, well, then one needs to do the hard work of changing the other side's mind.
the rainbow rights brown shirts haven't done this. they are too politically lazy to do the work.
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at May 23, 2015 05:31 PM (2/oBD)
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Fantastic piece, well written. just one quibble over mixed metaphors, at the end replace "behind the 8 ball" with something like "screaming from the stands behind the fence"
Posted by: Fred B at May 23, 2015 05:58 PM (gLHpa)
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Awesome piece.
Posted by: pipandbaby at May 23, 2015 07:46 PM (mSukX)
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97 Wait--who's on Third Base?
Posted by: Lou Costello at May 23, 2015 11:55 AM (VAsIq)
I don't know.
Posted by: Lou Costello at May 23, 2015 11:55 AM (VAsIq)
I don't know.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at May 23, 2015 09:00 PM (TqyFL)
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Daniel Greenfield, "Sultan Knish," wrote a blazing op-ed about this on his blog.
The raging, vengeful gay activists and those who goad and cheer them on aren't interested in "gay rights" so much as they're hell-bent on destroying Christianity and gleefully dynamiting the moral foundation of Western civilization.
And there's a lot of "we'll shove this stick UP your ass and break it OFF" Vengeance in their motivation: "How DARE you have a moral code that condemns anything we want to do! How DARE YOU!"
So every Christian has to be crushed. Ground into the dirt, and then pissed on from a great height.
If it were about RIGHTS, they'd be after the moslems with pitchforks and torches.
But, no.
The raging, vengeful gay activists and those who goad and cheer them on aren't interested in "gay rights" so much as they're hell-bent on destroying Christianity and gleefully dynamiting the moral foundation of Western civilization.
And there's a lot of "we'll shove this stick UP your ass and break it OFF" Vengeance in their motivation: "How DARE you have a moral code that condemns anything we want to do! How DARE YOU!"
So every Christian has to be crushed. Ground into the dirt, and then pissed on from a great height.
If it were about RIGHTS, they'd be after the moslems with pitchforks and torches.
But, no.
Posted by: Beverly at May 23, 2015 09:14 PM (gln5C)
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This post is why your blog is a national treasure. Thank you.
Posted by: Greg Contreras at May 24, 2015 12:58 AM (OHWsf)
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I've seen the quote before, but Hi Tower wasn't the one credited. LBJ sort of did Texas in.
Posted by: burt at May 26, 2015 09:16 AM (ls8AU)
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