Saturday Politics Thread: What Do Voters Want? [Y-not]

A short Saturday Politics Thread this week as I have been sidelined with terrible sinus headaches. But, just to give us something to chew on, how about some poll-gazing?

Via the Twitter feed of the good folks at Ricochet:

The great unwashed have been polled by WSJ/NBC, and have spoken. The top three traits causing voters to be uncomfortable or have reservations about a president candidate are: 1. No previous elected experience (excludes Carson and Fiorina) 2. A leader of the Tea Party movement (excludes Cruz and possibly Rubio); and 3. No college degree (excludes Walker).

Here's a graphical representation of the WSJ/NBC poll results showing desired and unfavored characteristics in a presidential candidate:

WSJNBCpoll.jpg

(I apologize for the graphic, which I think is a bit hard to read. If you click through to the original you might have better luck.)

According to this poll, the most-favored characteristics are an African-American, a woman, and someone under the age of 50.

Per The Washington Times, the WSJ/NBC poll results also indicate:

There's one quality that everyone appears to favor: 90 percent of GOP primary voters are "enthusiastic/comfortable" about voting for someone with a military background; 57 percent of Democratic primary voters agree - this according to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.

There's quite a partisan divide in one aspect, though: 90 percent of Democrats would feel comfortable and enthusiastic voting for a woman candidate - 54 percent of Republicans agree.

That Washington Times piece also cites a recent YouGov poll indicating that 92 percent of Americans would prefer a candidate under age 60.

YouGovAgePoll.jpg

Meanwhile, in the world of real candidates, here's a link to the latest RealClearPolitics poll averages. Inexplicably, Jeb Bush continues to lead, with Rubio on his heels.

So, what do voters want?

I think they have no idea.


I'm curious if any of your friends and family are starting to tune into the 2016 race. My dad watched Ben Carson's announcement and absolutely loved it.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 08:03 AM




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1 Just think if Morgan Freeman got a sex change and ran for office. Who's gonna vote against god?

Posted by: derit at May 09, 2015 08:06 AM (jT+gh)

2 Sigh, call me in 12 months. This and deflate gate give me a headache. To early for all this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:07 AM (rDqRv)

3 Morning! My kids, usually Dem voters for president, are not into the 2016 race as yet.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 09, 2015 08:07 AM (UpGcq)

4 Just think if Morgan Freeman got a sex change and ran for office. Who's gonna vote against god?
Posted by: derit
..............
Morgan Freeman has played the president so many times, he could just walk in and start presidentin' on day one!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 09, 2015 08:09 AM (UpGcq)

5 Sorry for the off topic but this is so funny.

Why,they are like twins!

http://tinyurl.com/oaf5qhd

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2015 08:09 AM (mGBKM)

6 Here's an updated list of when the GOP primaries will be held.

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/p/2016-presidential-primary-calendar.html

Several states had been considering moving theirs up, but looks like a lot of those died on the vine.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 08:10 AM (9BRsg)

7 I have a dream that one day we will choose a President based on genuine qualifications rather than superficial characteristics.

Posted by: martindful luther kingworker at May 09, 2015 08:11 AM (bF/TV)

8 According to this poll, the most-favored characteristics are an African-American, a woman, and someone under the age of 50.


NBC poll, I trust it about as much as Obama.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 08:11 AM (wlDny)

9 7 Ha! It's only going to get worse.
President Hector Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2015 08:13 AM (mGBKM)

10
Ben Carson said we should wait to see the evidence in the Baltimore case before making a conclusion and that he was in favor of raising the minimum wage.

And his previous flip-flop on the second amendment was a deal killer to begin with.

Then there's is high-pitched soft Percy Dovetonsils voice. I appreciate his history. I think he's not the ideal candidate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 09, 2015 08:13 AM (St6BJ)

11 steevy: "Why,they are like twins! http://tinyurl.com/oaf5qhd"

I know! Remarkable, isn't it? I guess Gollum was unavailable for the role.

Posted by: mindful webworker - last of the BOHICAns at May 09, 2015 08:13 AM (bF/TV)

12 RE: Ben Carson from last thread:


Another nail in Ben Carson's political coffin. He has joined the liberals and unions wanting a minimum wage increase.


http://washex.am/1IYFPtr

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 08:14 AM (wlDny)

13 Rick Perry needs to get a tan, is what you're saying.

Posted by: alh at May 09, 2015 08:14 AM (c7O43)

14 Boned?

Well, of course we're boned.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 09, 2015 08:15 AM (8W5zZ)

15 4 Just think if Morgan Freeman got a sex change and ran for office. Who's gonna vote against god?
Posted by: derit
..............
Morgan Freeman has played the president so many times, he could just walk in and start presidentin' on day one!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 09, 2015 08:09 AM (UpGcq)


How about President Morgan Fairchild? Still would hit it. And boy does she talk dirty (rode up with her in an elevator years ago to the NY offices of William Morris. Filthy!)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 09, 2015 08:15 AM (St6BJ)

16
Gots to go!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 09, 2015 08:15 AM (St6BJ)

17 Cruz
Walker
Dnar

Perry goes to #2 if he decides.

Anyone else? ............

Posted by: Luap Nor Solitary Farangist and Political Critic at May 09, 2015 08:16 AM (RQ2Z6)

18 A Thunderbirds movie is on TCM.Those puppets are creepy,they have eyes like Mike Huckabee and Hilary Clinton.

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2015 08:17 AM (mGBKM)

19 RE Morgan Freeman


I ran across a news piece on him where he was talking about bigots claiming we were all bigots.


He gave his examples and reasons for that. One was that people preferred their own home teams over other teams. It was so stupid I didn't even link it. I think he has grown senile.


His examples were for "discrimination", not bigots. Of course we all discriminate. Its just another name for personal preference.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 08:19 AM (wlDny)

20 WE have to stop the MSM from characterizing our candidates and which way they like. What the fuck is a "Tea Party" person anyway? STOP letting the MSM set the agenda.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:19 AM (rDqRv)

21 The answer to all these polls should be "Fuck You"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:19 AM (rDqRv)

22 Does naked Kristen Wiig look like a Thunderbird marionette? Only "Team America: World Police" has the untouched footage.

Posted by: derit at May 09, 2015 08:19 AM (jT+gh)

23 I can't wait for a Republican President, that way the Republican leadership in congress can drop the charade that they're fiscal conservatives again. They don't have to pass a budget with only moderate across the board spending increases, they can really ratchet it up to massive across the board spending increases.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 09, 2015 08:20 AM (dItuC)

24 "And boy does she talk dirty (rode up with her in an elevator years ago to the NY offices of William Morris. Filthy!)
"

Bunk.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 09, 2015 08:21 AM (dItuC)

25 NBC poll, I trust it about as much as Obama. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 08:11 AM

I agree. NBC has been relentless in pushing the love for Choom Boy and glorifying the smallest "accomplishments" of minorities (mainly AAs) and teh Wimminz. Pimping fake "poll" results isn't something new for them.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 09, 2015 08:23 AM (P8YHq)

26 Honestly, at this point, I'll settle for sending the Obamas into exile. Just Go Away.

Posted by: alh at May 09, 2015 08:24 AM (c7O43)

27

'In war no one refers to the color of your skin'
At the age of 8, Tamir Elazar walked from Ethiopia to Sudan to reach Israel. At 11, he heard his first racial slur, and struck back. Today a lieutenant colonel in the IDF, he understands the reasons for the recent protests by the Ethiopian Israeli community, and has a message for them.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4655330,00.html

Good article- worth the read

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:25 AM (rDqRv)

28 Gee, I wonder who they polled to get those answers. I'm surprised they didn't ask if people would prefer someone named Hillary because she'll save them from the EVIL Republicans.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 08:25 AM (3UGBQ)

29 Honestly, at this point, I'll settle for sending the Obamas into exile. Just Go Away.
Posted by: alh at May 09, 2015 08:24 AM (c7O43)


Yeah I agree 100% but you and I both know he is NEVER going away

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:25 AM (rDqRv)

30 After the absolute Biblical disaster of the Obummer years, the country cites being AA as a #1 characteristic to have as president? Shoot me now. This country is too stupid to survive. The presidential elections have turned into nothing but superficialities. I guess it all started with the profuse sweating of Richard Nixon, but it's off the charts now. And Jeb leads. Great.

Oh, and I posted this to the willow'd thread below, but Linsday Grahm has already said he will veto any legislation that doesn't provide a path to citizenship for illegals.

GOP for the lose!

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 09, 2015 08:26 AM (/jt+p)

31 Damn, Americans are stupid and superficial.

Posted by: dogfish at May 09, 2015 08:26 AM (jWtyG)

32
Russia stages huge military parade to mark WWII victory
In what is seen as punishment for Kremlin's meddling in Ukraine, Western countries are boycotting May 9 festivities, leaving Putin to mark day in company of leaders of China, Cuba and Venezuela.

I think this was a mistake by the Western Democracies. Yes Russia is acting badly, but WW2 was a unique event in world history and we should have been there. I mean fuck, we are kissing up to Iran, but ignoring Russia? Please

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:27 AM (rDqRv)

33 29 I expect him to be all over TV after he leaves office.Probably wil be a regular on ESPN "roundtable" type shows.

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2015 08:28 AM (mGBKM)

34 Damn, Americans are stupid and superficial.
Posted by: dogfish at May 09, 2015 08:26 AM (jWtyG)

Yes. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:28 AM (rDqRv)

35
The lefty brits are still freaking out. Nutter Charlotte Church is tweeting that the time to fight is NOW and that there will be DEMOS in Cardiff. LOL Girl needs a clue.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 09, 2015 08:29 AM (iQIUe)

36 28
Gee, I wonder who they polled to get those answers. I'm surprised they
didn't ask if people would prefer someone named Hillary because she'll
save them from the EVIL Republicans.


Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 08:25 AM (3UGBQ)


Usually what they do is "normalize" the polls based on what they consider to be the normal turnout in the elections. IOW if the poll got 1000 answers and 500 of them were Republicans they would multiply the results to favor Democrats make it mathematically equivalent to 700 Democrats and 300 Republican and justifying it by saying that was the last election turnout. Of course it is BS designed to give them the results they want.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 08:29 AM (wlDny)

37 Yeah I agree 100% but you and I both know he is NEVER going away

--

We can't even get rid of Carter and Clinton. Jr. Black, who is 18, just asked me the other day how come Democrat former presidents never seen to disappear from the limelight, yet former R's go into exile. Well, son, they're ego maniacs who can't let go. Bammy will be Carter and Clinton x10000. And the MFM will happily oblige. I predict my remote mute button will continue to get much use after this POS leaves office.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 09, 2015 08:30 AM (/jt+p)

38 I hope we ban at least live a little longer to have David Brat as commander in chief..

Posted by: Ron Legg WRIF at May 09, 2015 08:31 AM (/WmRg)

39 31
Damn, Americans are stupid and superficial.

Posted by: dogfish at May 09, 2015 08:26 AM (jWtyG)

As I said above, don't assign much faith to this poll.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 08:31 AM (wlDny)

40 I was considering hitting the rocking chair earlier. Clear blue skies, high 60s, and a slight breeze. That and the weather is predicting rain starting later tonight and lasting for a week.


But now it is starting to cloud up and the wind is getting harder.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 08:34 AM (wlDny)

41 I expect him to be all over TV after he leaves office.

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2015 08:28 AM


At least you still expect him to "leave office." I have my doubts.

Maybe he's thinking of becoming America's first "Papa Doc" Duvalier....

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 09, 2015 08:35 AM (P8YHq)

42 Poll was probably conducted like a JD Powers review. Open only to those of a particular class.

Posted by: JohnMc at May 09, 2015 08:38 AM (RHBWt)

43 All polls are push polls.

Especially this one.

Posted by: Lauren at May 09, 2015 08:39 AM (MYCIw)

44 These polls are all bullshit because when or if they call us, all they usually hear is "click" and then they write down hillary's name

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:40 AM (rDqRv)

45 Wait a sec-

So GOP 90%, Dem 57% for a military person is "everyone can agree"

while

Dem 90%, GOP 54% for a woman is "quite a partisan divide."

Am I reading this wrong or is that paragraph utterly nonsensical?

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 09, 2015 08:41 AM (NeFrd)

46 You know what people are really fed up about?

All these fcuking polls.

So I think a lot of it is wise acres being glib.

Either saying what they think they should say or saying outrageous stuff just to fcuk with the poll taker.

A lot of people are out of work and are at home these days.

Lot's more men. You know how guys like to screw around especially with some dildo who's calling them at home while they're busy with something else.

I think the days of accurate polls are gone.

And the days of the impulse is here.

That btw is the biggest threat in having voting done by phone or computer; impulse votes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 09, 2015 08:41 AM (zRby/)

47 I worked for a polling group in Oklahoma. It was hired to do insider candidate polling.

I was 16, and I was, by far, the most competent employee. Most of the other employees were basically drug addicts pulled off the street. They entered in whatever random information they felt like.

Out of 20 employees, there were probably 4 of us actually calling people and accurately recording their answers.

So yeah.

Posted by: Lauren at May 09, 2015 08:44 AM (MYCIw)

48 So being African-American is the most important characteristic? Even after 8 years of Obama?

I guess, like Communism, it just hasn't been done RIGHT yet.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 09, 2015 08:44 AM (jR7Wy)

49 What do voters want?



FYNQ.

-kind regards, Your Betters

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 08:45 AM (XAFOu)

50 45 Conservatives are sexist,wingnut!

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2015 08:46 AM (mGBKM)

51 Wait a sec-

So GOP 90%, Dem 57% for a military person is "everyone can agree"

while

Dem 90%, GOP 54% for a woman is "quite a partisan divide."

Am I reading this wrong or is that paragraph utterly nonsensical?
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 09, 2015 08:41 AM (NeFrd)


It's also bullshit. As if 57% of the Dems think Military service is good? What a crock of shit. They ALL hate the Military. Each and every fuckin one of them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:46 AM (rDqRv)

52 I tuned in to Ben Carson's announcement long enough to hear him talk about bringing new efficiency to the federal government.

Yawn. Anyone remember the Grace Commission under Reagan? Al Gore's initiative under Clinton?

There is no successful history in getting government to be more effective, efficient, or accountable. It's like pushing mud up a hill. The only way to make a dent is to shrink spending overall.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at May 09, 2015 08:46 AM (jdfYf)

53 Tell you what though, Ted Cruz is burning up my phone line.

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 08:47 AM (XAFOu)

54 >>Am I reading this wrong or is that paragraph utterly nonsensical?

I had the same reaction to that framing.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 08:47 AM (9BRsg)

55 And if this poll is accurate, which I highly doubt, all it shows is what people will *admit to a pollster*.

Would you admit to having a problem with a black candidate, even if you did?

Hells no. Racism is the ultimate sin. It's "safe" to admit to having an issue with the conservative answers because you know you're not going to be put on a list somewhere for WrongThink.

Posted by: Lauren at May 09, 2015 08:47 AM (MYCIw)

56 Its a bogus poll, or we're truly boned.
1.2.3. means more of the same, professional politicians, professional fraudsters, professional wordsmiths that twist and pervert language.

A woman? You want your mother as president? You're one sick puppy.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 08:50 AM (cGJG0)

57 My mom saw Carson's "I'm running" speech and was immediately ready to vote for him. Then I told her that he thinks that city folk aren't entitled to their 2nd Amendment rights and her ardor cooled quite a bit.

As to that chart, it's clear that Chelsea ought to run for dogcatcher in 2016. She'll win easily, can spend the next 4 years chasing herself with a net and practicing her Spanish, and be ready to take the Dem nod in 2020.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 08:51 AM (EJ6oN)

58 2 Sigh, call me in 12 months. This and deflate gate give me a headache. To early for all this
--

The trouble with that mindset is that the race is over by the time you tune in. The talking points get established and the "reputations" of some candidates are set.

By paying attention early, we can watch in real-time as the different smear jobs are attempted and as the talking points are established. For example, the TED CRUZ MISSED VOTES ELEVENTY!11!!! It also allows you to spot the really egregiously biased media sources. Later on, that becomes harder to spot b/c they are lazy and just cite the same "authoritative" source for whatever spin they're peddling.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 08:51 AM (9BRsg)

59 Is it just me, of are people in the above poll, idiots?

Posted by: Baldy at May 09, 2015 08:54 AM (sEXjW)

60 Well one family just cancelled in my Office and they had 4 appointments. 2 with me and 2 with my Hygienist. Blew my whole day up. AND THEY ARE MY COUSINS. Way to go family.

And they are about the only Family I actually like.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:56 AM (rDqRv)

61 The trouble with that mindset is that the race is over by the time you tune in. The talking points get established and the "reputations" of some candidates are set.

By paying attention early, we can watch in real-time as the different smear jobs are attempted and as the talking points are established. For example, the TED CRUZ MISSED VOTES ELEVENTY!11!!! It also allows you to spot the really egregiously biased media sources. Later on, that becomes harder to spot b/c they are lazy and just cite the same "authoritative" source for whatever spin they're peddling.
Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 08:51 AM (9BRsg)


I watch, and I support my favorites but do I have to discuss it on a Saturday AM before I have had my 6 cups of Java?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:57 AM (rDqRv)

62 Ru Paul is 54 now. Should be a lock.

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 08:58 AM (XAFOu)

63 Does anyone have an OTC med they like for sinus headaches? My ears are all clogged up and ever since this latest weather front moved in I've been really headachy.

Flonase didn't work for me. (I tried it when it was still prescription.)

Claritin didn't seem to do much.

Afrin helps a little, but that can only be used sparingly.

Alka Seltzer Plus cold helps a little.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 08:58 AM (9BRsg)

64 That poll is bogus. First item on the list is black? Excuse me but after Obama, after Baltimore, after Ferguson the first characteristic is black at 13% of the population.

That poll is a bogus as the NBC report on pick up truck fires, pinto gas tank explosions, and Nadar's corvair.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 08:59 AM (cGJG0)

65 Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 09, 2015 08:41 AM (NeFrd)

A post in which Mr. Muldoon spots the wily doublestandard in it's natural habitat.

Nate Silver and his 538 polling outfit got the British election results so wrong, he could have done better with a dartboard...

I'm sure he's praying that the Gell-Mann amnesia effect is real.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 09:00 AM (EJ6oN)

66 But I am LOL at the absolute absurdity of this poll.

99 percent will vote for someone whose name begins with an H and ends in Y.

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 09:00 AM (XAFOu)

67 I'm worried about the Jeb-Rubio bloc.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 09:02 AM (9BRsg)

68 Would you vote for a leader of the Tea Party/KKK/Nazi movement?

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 09:02 AM (XAFOu)

69 63
Does anyone have an OTC med they like for sinus headaches? My ears are
all clogged up and ever since this latest weather front moved in I've
been really headachy.



Flonase didn't work for me. (I tried it when it was still prescription.)



Claritin didn't seem to do much.



Afrin helps a little, but that can only be used sparingly.



Alka Seltzer Plus cold helps a little.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 08:58 AM (9BRsg)


There used to be some good stuff for that but thanks to the meth cookers it is no longer OTC. You might try some Vick's Day Car. That is usually pretty good for relieving sinus problems without putting you to sleep. Their Night Care is same but WILL put you to sleep.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 09:04 AM (wlDny)

70 Don't have time to read all the comments, but I'm throwing in my 2 cents.

These polls are bullcrap. Sure, if you ask someone "Are you comfortable with an African American (or woman, or governor, etc) being president?", the majority will say, "Sure, no problem." And if you ask someone, "Are you comfortable with someone with no elected experience (or college degree) being president?" most people will express some reservations. But it's another matter entirely when you ask someone if they would prefer a Scott Walker over a Hillary Clinton.

In other words, if we're just considering generalities, of course people want the president to have previous elected experience and a college degree, but elections aren't about generalities. Elections are about specific candidates, and what the candidates stand for and pledge to accomplish are far more important than whether or not they're the right gender, ethnic background or have a college degree.

Posted by: biancaneve at May 09, 2015 09:04 AM (Zl68m)

71 Toasted ice. The great moiling gerbiltry want toasted ice, and also lots of handouts, preferably in the form of a cash card. Our Founding Fathers despised direct democracy for a reason.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at May 09, 2015 09:05 AM (LY42H)

72 Looks like identity politics is thriving.

Posted by: Bret at May 09, 2015 09:06 AM (6zOnd)

73 >> Does anyone have an OTC med they like for sinus headaches?

Yes. Move south. In Chicago, the wife and I had constant sinus problems damn near every year and very few since we got below the M-D Line.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 09:06 AM (EJ6oN)

74 What do voters want?


Everybody outside of the FSA want the government to leave their wallet alone. Also most people want the government to get out of their local community. The ones that don't are the SJW and the watermelons. Most of the FSA don't care about any of that all they want is their EBT cards and other forms of cheese.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 09:08 AM (wlDny)

75 David Frum's column is good.

Link in sidebar.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 09:08 AM (9BRsg)

76 How about I don't give a flying F about their gender, race, age, background, their family, their sexual identity,.....tell me their ideas and their vision to get this country back on it's feet. If he/she has a D/I/R after their name if I like what they're saying they have my vote.

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 09:10 AM (XAFOu)

77 Y-not, sometimes I make a little home brew headache cure by mixing 500 mg acetaminophen with a baby aspirin and a caffeine tablet. Excedrin has a similar recipe, stolen from me without a doubt. Don't take it on an empty stomach.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at May 09, 2015 09:12 AM (LY42H)

78 Am I the only one here who hasn't been asked to participate in a poll? I live in a twee little upper-middle class historic town papered in Obama stickers so the sampling should skew in my favor.

Off to take a walk. It's clouding over so I need to skedaddle.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 09, 2015 09:13 AM (jR7Wy)

79 Thanks for the med suggestions, folks.

I have Imitrex for when it kicks into a full-on migraine, but my biggest problem is it seems like most of these OTC allergy meds are for sneezing/runny noses, not the congestion stuff that I have. I really wish Flonase had worked b/c it is not supposed to have the side effects of Afrin and similar nasal sprays.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 09:14 AM (9BRsg)

80 Apparently Hillary likes to...
'She likes to hang out and drink and gossip', Solis Doyle said.



New poll question! New poll question!

97 percent of the electorate would vote for someone who likes to hang out and drink and gossip.

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 09:15 AM (XAFOu)

81 But that's what I want for a leader, a bitchy gossipy 'Real Housewive Of' drunk off her ass at 3am to get the call.

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 09:16 AM (XAFOu)

82 the polls are skewed! don't listen to them! everyone knows the tea party will cruz to victory!

lol

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 09:17 AM (Cq0oW)

83 Y-not, have you tried steam, or ice for that matter?

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at May 09, 2015 09:17 AM (LY42H)

84 Sinus, move south? Well, everybody's little bacteria colony is different. When my parents retired to NC, Dad got all kinds of head leakage and itchy-scratches. He finally saw an allergist, who poked him all over his back with little patches. It turned out he was allergic to 34 grasses (did you know tobacco is a "grass"?), only four of which even grow in Ohio, and we were way up north. Meh, he got over it.

It must have been Gonzo Hunter Thompson, Professor of RS Journalism, who said "I hate to recommend drugs, booze and sex, but they always worked for me..."
I was always sick with sinus stuff when I was young. It improved when I took up smoking. No chain of causality there, just an observation from experience.


Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 09, 2015 09:18 AM (xq1UY)

85 Those of you who doubt this poll, remember the 2012 election? Up to election night we were all yakking about how the polls were wrong and what a BIG WIN we were going to get. Including most of this site's cobloggers.

Yes, the American people really are that dumb.

Posted by: Old Tom at May 09, 2015 09:19 AM (GJely)

86 Y-not. Benadryl? I find that a low dose of that will take the edge off sinus issues without putting me totally to sleep.

Posted by: Emily at May 09, 2015 09:19 AM (7Rn+/)

87 bullshit poll

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 09, 2015 09:19 AM (R8hU8)

88 Candidates are salesmen. It's their job to tell the voters what they want in a way that makes them want it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:20 AM (KbNXw)

89 >>83 Y-not, have you tried steam

Yeah, I do hot showers and "hot bots" (those microwaveable bags of buckwheat). Helps, but transient.

I'm thinking of getting a power drill...

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 09:21 AM (9BRsg)

90 I turned myself into a newt once. (I got better)

Posted by: Ummberto Echo, licensed quack at May 09, 2015 09:21 AM (LY42H)

91 y not just drink booze

you won't care about the sinuses anymore

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 09:21 AM (Cq0oW)

92 I'm worried about the Jeb-Rubio bloc.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 09:02 AM


Flonase ain't gonna help you with that. Nor will a Q-Tip.

Maybe Dulcolax.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 09, 2015 09:22 AM (P8YHq)

93 I'm thinking of getting a power drill...
Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 09:21 AM (9BRsg)

LOL, That was the first thing I thought of but I wasn't mean enough to say it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:22 AM (KbNXw)

94 or neti pots

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 09:23 AM (Cq0oW)

95 I had half-expected for my dad to like Rubio, but he seems pretty lukewarm about him.

I think he's formulated his impression of Carson based on a lot of the Obamacare stuff, which is probably my dad's biggest issue, being 83 and all.

He also commented on how Carson seemed like a straight shooter.

My dad's a guy who stays very plugged in to politics, living near DC and getting a zillion newspapers. But he's scared and frustrated by the Obamacare stuff.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 09:24 AM (9BRsg)

96
How about I don't give a flying F about their gender, race, age, background, their family, their sexual identity.....
Posted by: RWC




Sorry, but apparently I was way off on that whole "content of their character" thing.

My bad.

Posted by: Martin Luther "A La" King

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 09, 2015 09:25 AM (kdS6q)

97 How about that decongestant nasal spray Vics makes? That stuff will keep my sinuses dried up for the entire duration of a cold if I catch it early enough. You could achieve similar results with a 75/25 mixture of warm water and hydrogen peroxide.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo, licensed quack at May 09, 2015 09:25 AM (LY42H)

98 63
Does anyone have an OTC med they like for sinus headaches? My ears are
all clogged up and ever since this latest weather front moved in I've
been really headachy.

----

There is a product called Mygrastick--health food stores carry it. It's just essential oils and it's a roller-ball, so you roll it over the affected sinus areas. It was designed for Migraines, but, it really helps with sinus headaches. BE VERY CAREFUL around your eyes. Also buy a bottle of saline rinse/spray and use it liberally. I have had several ENT doctors tell me that using saline is key for inflamed sinuses.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 09, 2015 09:25 AM (kXoT0)

99 Yawn. Anyone remember the Grace Commission under Reagan? Al Gore's initiative under Clinton?



There is no successful history in getting government to be more
effective, efficient, or accountable. It's like pushing mud up a hill.
The only way to make a dent is to shrink spending overall.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at May 09, 2015 08:46 AM (jdfYf)


The last thing anyone wants is an efficient government. Inefficiencies make holes for innovation, lazyness makes for the need to do things for yourself.
Governments want efficiency so they can do what they see as their core mission more effectively. A lot of this has to do with restricting, controlling and collecting revenue.

Police states want to be efficient. The Stasi wanted to be efficient.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 09, 2015 09:29 AM (t//F+)

100 Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 09, 2015 09:18 AM (xq1UY)

hmm, maybe it was because our southern sinuses couldn't handle the winter cold too well and the problem mostly vanished after moving back.

Your dad had the opposite problem.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 09:29 AM (EJ6oN)

101 "NBC poll, I trust it about as much as Obama."

They are lying.

Obama has poisoned the well for any black male candidates for some time, no one wants to risk voting in another black idiot.

Posted by: gdonovan at May 09, 2015 09:29 AM (Ipxoj)

102 Also buy a bottle of saline rinse/spray and use it liberally. I have had several ENT doctors tell me that using saline is key for inflamed sinuses.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 09, 2015 09:25 AM (kXoT0)

When I was young and snorted a lot of meth we used a product called Ocean. I think it was just salt water but it helped cool the burn and clear it up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:29 AM (KbNXw)

103 I have Imitrex for when it kicks into a full-on migraine, but my biggest problem is it seems like most of these OTC allergy meds are for sneezing/runny noses, not the congestion stuff that I have. I really wish Flonase had worked b/c it is not supposed to have the side effects of Afrin and similar nasal sprays.
Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 09:14 AM (9BRsg)

I am trying a new prescription nasal spray that seems to be helping--QNasl beclomethasone diapropionate 80 mcg per spray, so if you see a doctor you might ask them about it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 09, 2015 09:30 AM (kXoT0)

104 hmm, maybe it was because our southern sinuses couldn't handle the winter cold too well and the problem mostly vanished after moving back.

Your dad had the opposite problem.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 09:29 AM (EJ6oN)

My wife is like that, I think that's one of the reasons we ended up in the south. In WI her nose bled all the time because of the dryness.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:32 AM (KbNXw)

105 When I was young and snorted a lot of meth we used a product called Ocean. I think it was just salt water but it helped cool the burn and clear it up.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:29 AM (KbNXw)

Yes, Ocean is good stuff. They hype it as being just like sea water, but, plain old saline works just as well. Good to see you today.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 09, 2015 09:32 AM (kXoT0)

106 Obama has poisoned the well for any black male candidates for some time, no one wants to risk voting in another black idiot.

======

what polls do you get that from?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 09:32 AM (Cq0oW)

107 Yes, Ocean is good stuff. They hype it as being just like sea water, but, plain old saline works just as well. Good to see you today.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 09, 2015 09:32 AM (kXoT0)


Right back at cha.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:33 AM (KbNXw)

108 This is why Kamala Harris will probably be the 46th President.

And it wont matter one bit that she's even more liberal than Hillary or Obama.

Posted by: MikeD at May 09, 2015 09:34 AM (uKJIC)

109 Poll question: Wouldn't you rather have a black, gay president to fight against the EVIL Republicans who hate womyn, minorities and gays. So there's no point in having an election in 2016, right?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 09:34 AM (3UGBQ)

110 I had a guest on the radio show thursday night say something interesting. He said he doesn't think we have heard from the next president yet. I can see someone laying low, staying out of trouble and putting on a blitz toward the end. Maybe capturing some imaginations.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:37 AM (KbNXw)

111 2 Sigh, call me in 12 months. This and deflate gate give me a headache. To early for all this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 08:07 AM (rDqRv)



^^This.

And a mirror image of that first graphic would be close to my opinions. We really have reached Idiocracy.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 09:38 AM (sdi6R)

112 Y-Not, my doc put me on Fluticasone Propionate nasal spray. I've had similar meds in the past and they work very well, with few side-effects since I wound up with a whacking sinus infection years ago.
Where I work has issues with the AC and I start acting like I've been tear-gassed when they start it up in the Spring. This stuff mostly cleared it up and it is not expensive

(I am not a doctor, I don't even play one on TV, as in all internet suggestion, treat it like a drunk at a bar who thinks you are talking about something all together different and probably thinks you should treat it with capsaicin.)

Posted by: Kindltot at May 09, 2015 09:40 AM (t//F+)

113
@110


Sarah.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 09, 2015 09:40 AM (jeCnD)

114 ted

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 09, 2015 09:41 AM (0O7c5)

115 David Frum's column is good.

I'll take your word for it.

Posted by: fuck that tub of goo at May 09, 2015 09:42 AM (/09fs)

116 111 >> And a mirror image of that first graphic would be close to my opinions.

Lol. So true.

We are boned.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 09:43 AM (EJ6oN)

117 Sarah.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 09, 2015 09:40 AM (jeCnD)

Works for me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:45 AM (KbNXw)

118
The winner of the 2016 election will be the candidate who is most adhered to the dumb-populist-media-driven agenda. Now you know who's gonna win. Hint: Won't be a Republican.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2015 09:45 AM (i86TN)

119 "bullshit poll"



Depressing if not.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 09:45 AM (Qnltm)

120 "Morgan Freeman has played the president so many times, he could just walk in and start presidentin' on day one!"

Don't forget his military experience. (Give 'em hell, 54!)

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 09:46 AM (ldFt4)

121 110 -

Ross!

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 09:48 AM (ldFt4)

122
In the midst of trying to fix my A/C, I blew a brake line whilst driving down the highway in heavy slam on your brakes-and-go traffic.

And like everything else on my car, a simple brake line repair is a big pain in the ass. So that's what I'm what I'm doing today.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2015 09:48 AM (i86TN)

123 Oh, and dad had good result with the Mucinex allergy relief. There is a day and a night version.

As for the polls, I just get hostile when I get the calls.
I used to ask the pollsters if they are making more than minimum wage.

A friend of mine, who is naturalized and has a heavy accent, just tells them to work more overtime and pay more taxes so he can have more benefits.

What do I want? I'm boned. I want H. Beam Piper to run for president.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 09, 2015 09:49 AM (t//F+)

124
Ha! It's only going to get worse.
President Hector Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2015 08:13 AM (mGBKM)








Prezy Camacho would be a vast improvement. He had balls, didn't take shit off of anyone, and he had enough integrity to call upon the Smartest Man In The World when he was overmatched by the burdens of the office.

And most importantly, unlike the current piece of shit sitting behind the Resolute Desk, loved this country. Unapologetically. Deeply. Fiercely.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 09, 2015 09:51 AM (ynQIy)

125 Y-Not

Psudeophedrine + Neti Pot will cure you.

Posted by: Lauren at May 09, 2015 09:51 AM (MYCIw)

126
Love to see a conservative win, which doesn't necessarily mean a Republican.

Party registration--to me--was never important. I consider that as the vehicle to allow voting and nothing more.

Candidates get picked (by me) according to their stance on issues most important to me.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 09, 2015 09:52 AM (jeCnD)

127 124 No question he'd be an improvement over Obama.

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2015 09:54 AM (mGBKM)

128 "Morgan Freeman has played the president so many times, he could just walk in and start presidentin' on day one!"



Don't forget his military experience. (Give 'em hell, 54!)

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 09:46 AM (ldFt4)


Plus he can lock up the muppet vote

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 09:54 AM (3UGBQ)

129 "Prezy Camacho would be a vast improvement."



Huzzah, Prezzy Camacho.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 09:55 AM (Qnltm)

130
Ex Machina is Cherry 2000 meets West World?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2015 09:55 AM (i86TN)

131 I'd vote for Camacho in a heartbeat.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 09:56 AM (VMA3H)

132 >>> After the absolute Biblical disaster of the Obummer years, the country cites being AA as a #1 characteristic to have as president? Shoot me now. This country is too stupid to survive.

Color me skeptical.

Posted by: Tom Bradley at May 09, 2015 09:56 AM (Ua6T/)

133 Ex Machina is Cherry 2000 meets West World?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2015 09:55 AM (i86TN)

It's all been done. However, the movie looks fascinating.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 09:57 AM (KbNXw)

134 I'd vote for Camacho in a heartbeat.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 09:56 AM (VMA3H)



He'd definitely be a step up from that effete, anti-American, race baiting, poverty pimping prick currently infesting the White House

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 09:58 AM (3UGBQ)

135 99 percent will vote for someone whose name begins with an H and ends in Y.

Posted by: RWC - team BOHICA at May 09, 2015 09:00 AM (XAFOu)


****


You're a great American!

Posted by: Sean Hannity at May 09, 2015 10:00 AM (NeFrd)

136 Huh, so we want a black woman for president, and we want a conservative?

Condoleezza Rice and . . . Sarah Palin for balance as VP.

Ted Cruz for attorney general.

The mustache for Secretary of State. John Bolton

Meg Whitman for Treasury.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:00 AM (VZwl0)

137 Politically, I'm more and more falling into Ace's camp. You can keep New York. I don't want to be in a country with it any more. Be gone. Farewell.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:02 AM (Qnltm)

138

Where are the polls internals?

Definitely want to see how Murdoch pushed polled the "no college degree" disqualifier.

Posted by: Redolent at May 09, 2015 10:02 AM (4HYng)

139 I think a lot of voters want someone who will "Fix all this". The problem is that there are (at least) two diametrically opposed views of what counts as "all this" and how it should be fixed.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 09, 2015 10:03 AM (GDulk)

140 Where are the polls internals?



Definitely want to see how Murdoch pushed polled the "no college degree" disqualifier.

Posted by: Redolent at May 09, 2015 10:02 AM (4HYng)


The internal was NBC just polled people who worked for them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 10:03 AM (3UGBQ)

141 According to this poll, the most-favored characteristics are an African-American, a woman, and someone under the age of 50.


Meet your next President:

https://tinyurl.com/mf7wv8r



(Yes. Yes, I would. I'm surprised "hittable" wasn't a criteria in the poll.)

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:04 AM (sdi6R)

142
I think a lot of voters want someone who will "Fix all this". The
problem is that there are (at least) two diametrically opposed views of
what counts as "all this" and how it should be fixed.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 09, 2015 10:03 AM (GDulk)



We just haven't done communism/socialism right yet, comrades! The gulags and graveyards aren't full yet

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 10:04 AM (3UGBQ)

143 40 jihadists escape from jail in Iraq. Military plane crashed in seville france- their Military I think
Fredo ignores executed poilcemen's funeral in NYC
Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 10:05 AM (rDqRv)

144 Jebba t'hut raises 100 mil in May. So, now it's basically a fight between him and Hillary to assure the soccer mom's of Cleveland and Cincinnati that their "healthcare" will be available. And rare. We be fooked.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2015 10:05 AM (5buP8)

145 "two diametrically opposed views of what counts as "all this" and how it should be fixed."


Yep. And both major parties fcuk it up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:06 AM (Qnltm)

146 LBJ's bachelor's degree from Southwest Texas State Teacher's College sure kept him from being corrupt and screwing up the country.

Same for Wilson's Ph.D.

Posted by: Redolent at May 09, 2015 10:06 AM (4HYng)

147 Fredo ignores executed poilcemen's funeral in NYC
Sigh
While sending 3 officials to Freddie Gray's funereal.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2015 10:07 AM (5buP8)

148 According to this poll, the most-favored characteristics are an African-American, a woman, and someone under the age of 50.





Meet your next President:



https://tinyurl.com/mf7wv8r





(Yes. Yes, I would. I'm surprised "hittable" wasn't a criteria in the poll.)

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:04 AM (sdi6R)


So Boston U supports her right of free speech to say that white males are a problem population. I wonder how tolerant Boston U would feel about a conservative coming to speak at their indoctrination center?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 10:07 AM (3UGBQ)

149 When vigilantes try to enforce the tenets of a faith by violence, then it becomes a civic obligation to stand up to them. And if the people doing the standing up are not in every way nice people - if they express other views that are ugly and prejudiced by any standard - then the more shame on all the rest of us for leaving the job to them. Hey, are you going to eat that butter?

Posted by: David Frum at May 09, 2015 10:07 AM (rwI+c)

150 Fredo ignores executed poilcemen's funeral in NYC

Sigh

While sending 3 officials to Freddie Gray's funereal.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2015 10:07 AM (5buP


Because FU whitey

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 10:08 AM (3UGBQ)

151 148
I wonder how tolerant Boston U would feel about a conservative coming to speak at their indoctrination center?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 10:07 AM (3UGBQ)



Or to shoot it up.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:09 AM (sdi6R)

152 Meet your next President

Title X then into bankruptcy. Hostile environment for sure.

Posted by: toby928(C) at May 09, 2015 10:09 AM (rwI+c)

153 Same for Wilson's Ph.D.
Posted by: Redolent at May 09, 2015 10:06 AM (4HYng)

You spoke a book with that little comment. The Facebook thing going around that demands the Prezzy is ex military is also kind of dumb. I remember Carter was.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:10 AM (KbNXw)

154 I wonder what percentage would "feel comfortable" voting for a mature adult for president.


Might be a nice change

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 09, 2015 10:11 AM (NeFrd)

155 Might be a nice change
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 09, 2015 10:11 AM (NeFrd)

Yep, the petulant child thing has not worked out too well.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:12 AM (KbNXw)

156 Meet your next President:
https://tinyurl.com/mf7wv8r
rickl at May 09, 2015 10:04 AM

-----------------------------------
She would need Louis Farrakhan as VP

If that were to happen.
Sorry, I can't extrapolate anything further than that.
Uncharted territory where dragons sleep.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:14 AM (VZwl0)

157 The United States called on North Korea on Saturday to refrain from taking actions that inflame tensions in the region after state media reported Pyongyang test-fired a submarine-launched ballistic missile.


OOOh I be they are shaking in their boots?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 10:14 AM (rDqRv)

158 He gave his examples and reasons for that. One was that people preferred their own home teams over other teams. It was so stupid I didn't even link it. I think he has grown senile.

Actor. Actor read line from script. Actor not have to think. Actor only remember.

Reagan had to learn. Most actors now ASSUME they have some special prescience.....

...because narcissistic. It's why they are so enamored with Emperor Sandtrap. Just like them.

That was one vibe you never, ever got from Ronaldus Maximus.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at May 09, 2015 10:17 AM (DCpyI)

159 I'm ready!

Posted by: Joanne Chesimard at May 09, 2015 10:17 AM (EB4Iv)

160 @ 137

Here we disagree, Ricardo. A more practical solution is for NYC and the 5 boroughs to separate from the rest of the state.

Become their own state.

Upstaters--like me-- would be doin a Snoopy dance at that.

We'd be free from the incessant monetary demands that crimp us so badly. Our economy up here is derived mostly by tourism, with some small industry.

THEN, getting rid of Gunner Cuomo would be a breeze.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 09, 2015 10:17 AM (jeCnD)

161 Ricardo Kill @ 137: "You can keep New York. I don't want to be in a country with it any more."

Whatever we did, I'm sorry.

(Can't speak for NYC or WNY.)

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:18 AM (VMA3H)

162 (Yes. Yes, I would. I'm surprised "hittable" wasn't a criteria in the poll.)


Obviously, I'm only referring to her appearance, not her foul and toxic opinions.

Anyway, I'm sure she'd rather die than have sex with a white dude.

So I'll just have to rape her, then. Hey, I'm just exercising my White Male Cisgendered Privilege.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:19 AM (sdi6R)

163 Where (roughly) do you live, irongrampa?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:19 AM (VMA3H)

164 Why it's Walker.
1) george Walker bush, ie secret bush.
2) media is trashing him with stuff that the voters want
eg no sheep skin, and crushed public service unions.

Posted by: illogical and esoteric at May 09, 2015 10:20 AM (PGh+Q)

165 Mind if I hang this here? Again?

Hillary-Jeb 2016 - Yeah! That's the ticket!
Some posters for the Uni-Party campaign, webworks from Apr 23 of last year, but sadly more applicable than ever.

http://bit.ly/Hill-Jeb-16

Posted by: mindful webworker - oh the inevitability of it all! at May 09, 2015 10:20 AM (bF/TV)

166 Pray for the dead. An Airbus A400M military transport has crashed in Spain. At least three dead.

http://tinyurl.com/othlnuu

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 09, 2015 10:20 AM (pL1U2)

167 "THEN, getting rid of Gunner Cuomo would be a breeze.



Not hatin'. Just sayin'. I met a lotta NY'ers I like. The city needs an enema though. And it's a beautiful city.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:21 AM (Qnltm)

168
I'm gonna get another can of refrigerant and see if it does the trick. I figured one can would do it -- if not I'd investigate the compressor clutch and relays and stuff.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2015 10:21 AM (i86TN)

169 Hillary - Jeb 2016 Unity Party.

Who could vote against it?

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:22 AM (VZwl0)

170 "Whatever we did, I'm sorry.
"

Tis nothing. You didn't do it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:23 AM (Qnltm)

171 160
Here we disagree, Ricardo. A more practical solution is for NYC and the 5 boroughs to separate from the rest of the state.

Become their own state.

Upstaters--like me-- would be doin a Snoopy dance at that.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 09, 2015 10:17 AM (jeCnD)



I keep wishing New Jersey would annex Philadelphia. That would have a similar effect on the state of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:24 AM (sdi6R)

172
Anyone know how much (%-wise) a system goes down on refrigerant to keep the compressor from engaging?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2015 10:24 AM (i86TN)

173 Spanish Air Force test flight?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:26 AM (Qnltm)

174 Pray for the dead. An Airbus A400M military transport has crashed in Spain. At least three dead.

http://tinyurl.com/othlnuu
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 09, 2015 10:20 AM (pL1U2)


Only 3 on a plane that big?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 10:27 AM (rDqRv)

175 Y-not, I recently started taking quercetin (it's just a bioflavonoid, so safe) on Instapundit's recommendation for allergies. I don't have a bad problem, but wanted to stop taking a daily Claritin. Got a big bottle at Costco, and noticed almost immediately that my sinuses were draining, which I think is good. I have a friend whose sinuses were so blocked she had to have that awful surgery where they go in to clean them out, then cauterize. Don't know if any of this would help you, but might be worth a try.

Posted by: stinkylegs at May 09, 2015 10:27 AM (s3xUJ)

176 @ 163

Near Lake George, FireHorse.

Right in the middle of Tourist Territory.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 09, 2015 10:28 AM (jeCnD)

177 Another Airbus with mechanical problems. How many does that make now?

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:28 AM (VZwl0)

178 "Only 3 on a plane that big?"


Pilot, co-pilot, load-master.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:29 AM (Qnltm)

179 Get NBC to do an expose on Airbus disasters.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:30 AM (VZwl0)

180 The non-scientific FireHorse politics poll is in. Here's what people want in a president:

- Someone who'll tell people that nothing is their fault
- Someone who can fill voters with righteous anger
- Someone who does (or has done) drugs
- Someone who's good with sarcastic zingers

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:30 AM (VMA3H)

181 If that is true, we, as a country, are fucked.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 09, 2015 10:30 AM (TV9BR)

182 "Another Airbus..."


They make some good airplanes. Second best behind Boeing.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:32 AM (Qnltm)

183 "Right in the middle of Tourist Territory."

Beautiful country, irongrandpa. Bolton Landing is a pretty little out-of-the-way town. Nice German restaurant in Queensbury, last I knew.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:33 AM (VMA3H)

184 Three dead, two injured, and two unaccounted for.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 09, 2015 10:34 AM (pL1U2)

185 176
Near Lake George, FireHorse.

Right in the middle of Tourist Territory.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 09, 2015 10:28 AM (jeCnD)



I've been up near Schroon Lake. As a tourist. Pretty area.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:34 AM (sdi6R)

186 Wow... the hit job BOTH parties did on the TEA party, with the help of the media... seems to have worked.

Note, there are three groups who have power in the Current Washington... the two parties... and the media... they all have an interest in keeping the status quo....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 09, 2015 10:34 AM (qh617)

187 Latest polls show Ed Miliband, leader of the Labour Party, poised to be next PM of Great Britain.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 10:34 AM (g1DWB)

188 Rags, riches, rags...
As a country we are in the riches to rags stage. Don't worry. Since no one is obeying any laws anymore it doesn't matter what laws are passed. The homosexuals and muslims have sealed their fate. In 20 years they will be viewed harshly as the peoples that slaughtered geese that laid the golden eggs.

Posted by: History at May 09, 2015 10:35 AM (PGh+Q)

189 Latest polls show a majority support same sex marriage if it will STFU the gay activists and leave the rest of us alone.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:36 AM (VZwl0)

190 Nikki Haley is the perfect candidate: age, demographic, job experience and political skill. Heck, she's Sikh, and the Sikhs practically invented the Indian Army, so by osmosis she can lay claim to a military background (husband, brother, culture). But she's not running. So sad.

Rubio has to be the Veep, to have a chance to win in Florida. But I haven't heard any sort of excitement/consensus emerging for a top of the ticket candidate. Way too early, I guess.

Posted by: MTF at May 09, 2015 10:36 AM (FCsIb)

191 Y-not,
I found that a neti pot or the sinu-cleanse(sp?) squeeze bottle are great. They flush out your sinus cavities. I know it sounds gross but, you won't believe what will come out of your nose. You can flush your cavities several times a day. When I was pregnant I used a neti pot 4-6 times a day because I had a stuffy nose. I still use it every morning. My ENT told me that the salt helps to draw the excess moisture out and therefore helps with the swelling of the lining of your sinus cavities.
Then follow up with benedryl which will dry your sinus cavities so you don't produce as much mucus.

Oh, Afrin spray also helps with the swelling and congestion.

Posted by: lindafell is cruzin' at May 09, 2015 10:36 AM (xVgrA)

192 I guess Hillary is in the right age range. Most college students think she is in her 40's or early 50's. Now she needs to use more spray tanning.

Posted by: colin at May 09, 2015 10:37 AM (BO1b9)

193 And I am out of here.

Have a great Mother's Day weekend.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 09, 2015 10:37 AM (pL1U2)

194 Latest polls show a majority support same sex marriage if it will STFU the gay activists and leave the rest of us alone.
Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:36 AM (VZwl0)


Oh, but they won't. It's just the Camels nose under the tent.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:37 AM (KbNXw)

195 Lack of professional political experience has never been a big strike against a candidate in my eyes. So I told myself I'd wait to hear Carson's positions before making the call.



His 2A flip flopping was a big red flag, but still I reserved judgement.



This minimum wage bullshit though is enough for me to finally make an informed decision to strike his economically ignorant ass off the list.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 10:37 AM (xSCb6)

196 "Nikki Haley is the perfect candidate"

Smokin'

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:38 AM (Qnltm)

197 The U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) has labeled Al Jazeeras Islamabad bureau chief as an al-Qaeda terrorist, according to files leaked by former NSA contractor-turned-defector Edward Snowden.

The Snowden files, which were stolen from the U.S. government and remain classified, shows a 2012 photo of the Al Jazeera chief, Ahmad Muffaq Zaidan, listed as belonging to both al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Zaidan is known for his one-on-one interviews with deceased al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden. In 2010, the terror chief referred to the Al Jazeera employee as brother Ahmad, Politico reports.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 10:39 AM (rDqRv)

198 183
Beautiful country, irongrandpa. Bolton Landing is a pretty little out-of-the-way town. Nice German restaurant in Queensbury, last I knew.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:33 AM (VMA3H)



See, that's why I don't want to cede the Northeast to the commies. I like it here.

I don't want to have to move to Texas, because of the heat, the scorpions, and the tornadoes.

But mostly because of the heat.

And the scorpions.

And the tornadoes.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:40 AM (sdi6R)

199

Rubio has to be the Veep, to have a chance to win in Florida. But I haven't heard any sort of excitement/consensus emerging for a top of the ticket candidate. Way too early, I guess.

Posted by: MTF at May 09, 2015 10:36 AM (FCsIb)

Two Hispanic names on the R ticket would cause much hilarity in identity-politics circles.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at May 09, 2015 10:40 AM (yxw0r)

200 ***"Wow... the hit job BOTH parties did on the TEA party, with the help of the media... seems to have worked."***



Don't forget their accomplices in the right leaning media, hell even a cob and several commenters here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 10:40 AM (xSCb6)

201 Hillary - Jeb 2016 Unity Party.



Who could vote against it?





Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:22 AM (VZwl0)


Too white according to that poll. The mayor of Baltimore would be perfect

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 10:41 AM (3UGBQ)

202 A perfect example of why democrats are idiots and are trying to get us all killed:


Former Rhode Island Senator and Governor and prospective 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Lincoln Chafee argued that terrorists should be treated like criminals, and that we have to calm it down on Fridays Real Time on HBO.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 10:41 AM (rDqRv)

203 Nikki Haley was raised as a Sikh but converted to Methodism I think when she married her husband.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 10:41 AM (wlDny)

204 Elizabeth Warren (if she runs) would be the most pro-business candidate. She comments on how entrepreneurs have nice businesses and how it would be a shame if something were to happen to them.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:42 AM (VMA3H)

205 192 I guess Hillary is in the right age range. Most college students think she is in her 40's or early 50's.

Posted by: colin at May 09, 2015 10:37 AM (BO1b9)



Most college students probably think we fought the British in WWII.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:42 AM (sdi6R)

206 and the scorpionadoes

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 10:42 AM (Cq0oW)

207 Don't forget their accomplices in the right leaning media, hell even a cob and several commenters here.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 10:40 AM (xSCb6)

Yeah. I put that up there with the Palin hysteria. Once the lies are blasted at you 24/7 even the most stalwart of individuals fall prey to the barrage of BS.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:42 AM (KbNXw)

208 Y-not, original Sudafed is best for me for congestion. I take the 12 hour at night to avoid waking up stuffy and miserable. You have to show DL, and can only buy 1 box/day and up to 3 of the 20 count 12 hour doses per month so the PITA factor is high but for me it works so I jump thru the hoops.

Not OTC but I have a nasal spray I use also Nasarel brand. For me it works and some of the others do not. Might be worth engaging Doc for you to try different sprays and see if one works for you.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 09, 2015 10:43 AM (7w/kf)

209 Nikki Haley was raised as a Sikh but converted to Methodism I think when she married her husband.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 10:41 AM (wlDny)


Yep, and she said the reason she's not running is because her kids are too young.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:43 AM (KbNXw)

210 Still hot. Whoo!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:43 AM (Qnltm)

211 Hmmm, they didn't include a link to the NBC/WSJ poll itself. Did I miss it?



I'd have liked to see the actual data and questions.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 10:44 AM (xSCb6)

212 If the GOP nominate a white male candidate, they will have to have a minority female to balance the ticket, and everyone on the planet will see it as the pandering it is.

If the GOP did nomination a candidate who was not male, not white, not christian, the shrieking harpies on the left would scream 'traitor to the cause/race/gender/identity'

So let the GOP just go ahead and nominate a second tier democrat to run against Hillary! Why would the GOP have to nominate a republican? So who would you rather have than Hillary!

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:44 AM (VZwl0)

213 I guess Hillary is in the right age range. Most college students think she is in her 40's or early 50's.

That's because it puts the lotion on its skin before it takes a village.

Posted by: t-bird at May 09, 2015 10:45 AM (FcR7P)

214 I'd have liked to see the actual data and questions.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 10:44 AM (xSCb6)


Yes and they are right over there thru that gate and behind that fence....go ahead, don't be afraid. No the tatoo we are giving you means nothing, don't worry

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 09, 2015 10:45 AM (rDqRv)

215 Ah, at least there is no pompous pseudo-philosophical lecture posted yet. we can actually read some, you know, facts and stuff.

I think these early polls are driven by who is being thrust in front of America by the press, and really doesn't reflect the reality of the voting booth.

Posted by: JCM332 at May 09, 2015 10:45 AM (vaZxb)

216 affirmation. affirmation of their values and expectations for a good future. obama ran on it in 2008 (cynically calling it "hope and change"); hillary will run on it in 2016 (she's "like us" and, with bill's counsel, offering happy, positive centrism). but the real source of americans' optimism is our awareness of the gift of freedom and opportunity that america offers. this runs counter to every contention of the left. it trumps age, sex, color or station.

Posted by: mark morris at May 09, 2015 10:45 AM (CrYC8)

217 209 Yep, and she said the reason she's not running is because her kids are too young.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:43 AM (KbNXw)


A prime example of how she would be treated as a candidate is the question the time reporter asked her on a trip to NYC. He asked if she would give the Sikh cab drivers a bigger tip.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 10:45 AM (wlDny)

218 Greetings gentlefappers.

I don't believe that poll. I'd vote for an Arcturian if he/she/it promised to reign in Fedzilla, adhere to the Constitution and get the economy back on track.

Also, if y'all don't mind saying a little prayer for B'Gal. She's in the hospital with either acute bronchitis or pneumonia. We'll find out later today. I went straight from my gig to the hospital early this morning after she called 911. She's much better today, but still sick.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 09, 2015 10:46 AM (0HooB)

219 Mary was over this morning for the Library fundraiser and brought a large assortment of Hillary for president literature, it was so thoughtful of her. We raised a tidy sum for the social justice studies section and made a donation of ten dollars to the local soup kitchen as well. As we concluded our business and were descending the front steps we had a most frightful moment. A 'hater' terrorist slowly drove past while eyeing us with evil intent, his Ted Cruz bumper sticker taking direct aim at our group. Mary was slightly injured while diving for cover and is resting comfortably on my couch after being prescribed a sedative. Though badly shaken, she is expected to make a full recovery.

Posted by: Doris from Ashberry,Vt. at May 09, 2015 10:46 AM (jQdD1)

220 rickl,
Don't forget the fire ants and drought.....

Posted by: lindafell is cruzin' at May 09, 2015 10:46 AM (xVgrA)

221 I'd have liked to see the actual data and questions.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 10:44 AM (xSCb6)

Shut up. That is for your betters.

Posted by: JCM332 at May 09, 2015 10:46 AM (vaZxb)

222 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 09, 2015 10:46 AM (0HooB)

Prayers up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:46 AM (KbNXw)

223 I think these early polls are driven by who is being thrust in front of America by the press, and really doesn't reflect the reality of the voting booth.

As England just showed us.

Posted by: t-bird at May 09, 2015 10:47 AM (FcR7P)

224 I thought we were just talking about hot chicks.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 10:47 AM (Qnltm)

225 Elizabeth Warren (if she runs) would be the most
pro-business candidate. She comments on how entrepreneurs have nice
businesses and how it would be a shame if something were to happen to
them.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:42 AM (VMA3H)



They'll be in heap big trouble. She'll set a war party on them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 10:48 AM (3UGBQ)

226 Yeah. I'll throw it out there.

Snoop Dogg 2016. He's got 2 of the 3.

Rosie Perez for VP.

Marilyn Mosby for AG.

We're frigged.

Posted by: Golfman at May 09, 2015 10:49 AM (L/VYv)

227 I think these early polls are driven by who is
being thrust in front of America by the press, and really doesn't
reflect the reality of the voting booth.



As England just showed us.

Posted by: t-bird at May 09, 2015 10:47 AM (FcR7P)


Barry being elected twice and not currently having poll numbers in the low 20s tells me, this country is full of too many idiots.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 10:49 AM (3UGBQ)

228 I'd have liked to see the actual data and questions.

Posted by: Burn the Witch


You seem troubled that our poll results just happen to match those of our newsroom.

Posted by: The MFM at May 09, 2015 10:50 AM (FcR7P)

229 See, that's why I don't want to cede the Northeast to the commies. I like it here.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 10:40 AM (sdi6R)
________

Me, too. But I'd rather take heat than more cold. Can't move to North Dakota. Though there are parts of New York State that have gone full bright-blue communist, there are better areas.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:50 AM (VMA3H)

230 Note that the way the WSJ/NBC poll works: There is no neutral position. Enthusiastic and comfortable are positives while reservations and uncomfortable are negatives.

Consider this question: Candidate likes classical music. I would be neither positive or negative on this, but I have no option of neutral, so I pick comfortable, which in the poll counts as a positive.

Seems to me this poll is worthless, as qualities such as is African-American, is a woman, and others would probably garner a lot of neutral votes, if that was a choice

Posted by: jbarntt at May 09, 2015 10:51 AM (+nqQU)

231 Seriously, think about it, those Scoop Jackson, Reagan Democrats who are conservative. Why couldn't the GOP draft one for a presidential candidate.

Where are those fiscally responsible democrats with national name recognition?

We all know the GOP can't get a republican elected, so go with a democrat. What do we have to lose?

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:52 AM (VZwl0)

232 I am sure I speak for nobody, including myself, when we all wish Mary a speedy recovery.

Just a reminder in case it is needed Mary, the number for the Suicide hotline is 1-888-pok-ee-stan.

Posted by: Luap Nor Solitary Farangist and Political Critic at May 09, 2015 10:53 AM (6yehy)

233 Young ..

left out young, charismatic, conservative, anti communist JFK type democrats. Who want to cut taxes and government regulations.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:53 AM (VZwl0)

234 As England just showed us.

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we are not England. one major difference being their much shorter campaign seasons, more honest media, less influence of donors, etc.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 10:55 AM (Cq0oW)

235 ... and it lays latent in every american, untarnished by obama and the left's relentless negative attacks. in fact, with every condemnation of america, with every riot and intrusion, they overreach offering nothing positive. the pendulum has been swinging back for some time now (since last summer) and conservative prospects for the executive are enhanced.

Posted by: mark morris at May 09, 2015 10:55 AM (CrYC8)

236 we are not England. one major difference being their much shorter campaign seasons, more honest media, less influence of donors, etc.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 10:55 AM (Cq0oW)

Shit, Russia has a more honest media.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:56 AM (KbNXw)

237 I put that up there with the Palin hysteria. Once the lies are blasted at you 24/7 even the most stalwart of individuals fall prey to the barrage of BS.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:42 AM (KbNXw)
________

I thought I liked Sarah Palin, but then I heard from everybody that she said that she could see Russia from her house. I thought to myself, "No. Nobody would say something that dumb. Maybe it was a Saturday Night Live bit." But everybody told me that Palin herself said that.

I thought I liked the Tea Party, too.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:57 AM (VMA3H)

238 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 09, 2015 10:46 AM (0HooB)

Prayers BB. This head chest cold thing has been going on around here for about 6 weeks. Takes about 3 weeks to kick.

Posted by: Golfman at May 09, 2015 10:57 AM (L/VYv)

239 President Hector Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho

The brilliance of this answer is unmistakeable. It checks off almost all the boxes. Instead of a woman why not a transgender?

Posted by: hadoop at May 09, 2015 10:57 AM (2X7pN)

240 I also note the 'age' they ask about is 65...

Not the 69 Hill will be if she is elected....

Meaning 73 by the end of first term...

That is actually a pretty big difference...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 09, 2015 10:58 AM (qh617)

241 >>we are not England. one major difference being their much shorter campaign seasons, more honest media, less influence of donors, etc.

I agree on the money but Miliband was the leader of Labour for 5 years so in essence that campaign was going on for years. And the UK press is every bit as dishonest and fanboy driven as ours.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 10:59 AM (g1DWB)

242 We all know the GOP can't get a republican elected, so go with a democrat. What do we have to lose?
Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 10:52 AM (VZwl0)


To be honest, that is what Boehner is. Are we made stronger thereby?

I wasn't going to pull this out, but here is an opinion. It ain't mine, but it is a well thought out opinion

http://fee.org/freeman/detail/regardless-of-choice-vote

Posted by: Kindltot at May 09, 2015 10:59 AM (t//F+)

243
I thought I liked Sarah Palin, but then I heard from everybody that she said that she could see Russia from her house. I thought to myself, "No. Nobody would say something that dumb. Maybe it was a Saturday Night Live bit." But everybody told me that Palin herself said that.

I thought I liked the Tea Party, too.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:57 AM (VMA3H)


Dah.... I heard that too.... still have not seen her though...

Posted by: Vlad Putin, in Russia, with Binoculars looking East at May 09, 2015 11:00 AM (qh617)

244 237
I thought I liked Sarah Palin, but then I heard from everybody that she said that she could see Russia from her house. I thought to myself, "No. Nobody would say something that dumb. Maybe it was a Saturday Night Live bit." But everybody told me that Palin herself said that.

I thought I liked the Tea Party, too.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 10:57 AM (VMA3H)



But they turned out to be a bunch of violent white supremacists. Fortunately we have the DHS to keep an eye on them.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 11:00 AM (sdi6R)

245 Takes about 3 weeks to kick.

I've been sick for about two weeks with it, off and on. She probably got it from me.

Thanks, everybody.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 09, 2015 11:01 AM (0HooB)

246 I think the "African American, Woman, Hispanic" numbers are bullshit. That's people just giving an answer that think they need to lest they be called racist/sexist.

Posted by: buzzion at May 09, 2015 11:01 AM (zt+N6)

247 Haley is indeed smoking hot, which is a big plus in my book because I'm superficial as hell, plus she's accomplished and smart too. But as Vic points out the Propaganda press would do anything to diminish her if she were to run. If you measure candidate strength by how mean and afraid the Democrats are of the candidate Haley comes out pretty near the top, though she never had to deal with 'John Doe' investigations.

Posted by: MTF at May 09, 2015 11:02 AM (FCsIb)

248 My solution to the whole mess. Art V convention which first


Cedes NJ, Long Island, and all States north of there to a new Yankee America. Takes every State bordering the Pacific Ocean and calls that Western America. The rest of the country would be the USA.


Rewrites the 14th amendment to make sure it says what it was intended for.


Rewrites the 2nd amendment to remove everything except to gun laws that will prohibit anyone from having guns or ammunition shall ever be passed on the pain of death to everyone who votes for it.


Rewrites entirely the section on the judiciary to require them to base their decisions on the actual text.


And which calls for removing every law and program on the books which is not supported by actual text in the constitution.


There would be some more cleanup of parts which have become muddied to death by illegal and irrational decisions by the courts like NYT vs Sullivan and the BS penumbras crap.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 11:05 AM (wlDny)

249 Kindltot at May 09, 2015 10:59 AM

I would not describe that except as 'well thought out'.

Facile, maybe.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:05 AM (VZwl0)

250 Well, that settles it: Jeb must be our candidate. The WSJ said so, and we know they're never wrong.
(BTW, I just noticed that an anagram of WSJ is SJW. Those wacky Bilderbergers!)

Posted by: Matt_SE at May 09, 2015 11:05 AM (axNZt)

251 further, americans take the chaos and threats overseas seriously, despite the dems dismissal of concern. a virile and undiluted pragmatic patriotism will resound (and is needed).

Posted by: mark morris at May 09, 2015 11:06 AM (CrYC8)

252 250 Well, that settles it: Jeb must be our candidate. The WSJ said so, and we know they're never wrong.
(BTW, I just noticed that an anagram of WSJ is SJW. Those wacky Bilderbergers!)

Posted by: Matt_SE at May 09, 2015 11:05 AM (axNZt)


Yes, Jeb will be your candidate.... get used to it...

Posted by: Big GOPe donors... at May 09, 2015 11:07 AM (qh617)

253 Shit, Russia has a more honest media.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 09, 2015 10:56 AM (KbNXw)


So does North Korea

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2015 11:07 AM (3UGBQ)

254 I'm not so keen on qualifications. Hell, I think any Moron is just as qualified as any candidate.

I want to know where a candidate stands on the issues and what he or she is going to do once in orifice. I don't want hazy, vague rhetoric. We have a metric fuckton of problems brought on by the MFM and the Dims (BIRM) dragging us to the left's edge of sanity and I want somebody who knows how to fix them.

Cruz is the only one who's said what he'll do, so he's my choice so far. I'm pretty confident he can handle the media and he's got a good track record.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 09, 2015 11:07 AM (0HooB)

255 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 11:08 AM (wlDny)

256 160 @ 137

Here we disagree, Ricardo. A more practical solution is for NYC and the 5 boroughs to separate from the rest of the state.

Become their own state.


Have to take Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester, too. Just to make sure.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 09, 2015 11:09 AM (brIR5)

257 Jeb is not a serious candidate, $100 million aside. It's only the Bush donor network that keeps him in the conversation. He will be below 10% in Iowa and no better than third in New Hampshire. If he doesn't win in South Carolina don't you think he's out of the race?

Posted by: MTF at May 09, 2015 11:11 AM (FCsIb)

258 I would not describe that except as 'well thought out'.



Facile, maybe.
Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:05 AM (VZwl0)


Cool. Match it then. Show your work.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 09, 2015 11:11 AM (t//F+)

259
I intend to go NOWHERE. This is MY place--near my family.

Gonna stay that way.

This is why I keep harping on working to effect change where you can make a difference. It all flows from this.

This kindly old gentleman would just like to be left to his own devices, and live the remainder of his life in peace and quiet.

However, an attempt to take this away WILL result in someone having the definition of the term "your worst nightmare" clearly demonstrated.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 09, 2015 11:11 AM (jeCnD)

260 Forget it. The new thread is pretentious, presumptuous pseudo philosophical self gratification.

We're talking important stuff here.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:12 AM (VZwl0)

261 You're product, Homes, nothing but merchandise for the story they are selling.

***

Isn't it "Holmes"?

You are so white.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 09, 2015 11:17 AM (PMlgt)

262 We're talking important stuff here.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:12 AM (VZwl0)
======================

http://binged.it/1FbPKMz

Posted by: MTF at May 09, 2015 11:18 AM (FCsIb)

263 Cool. Match it then. Show your work.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 09, 2015 11:11

In short, human behavior and belief is a spectrum, not categories. And believing in one thing does not necessarily preclude belief in, or disbelief in something else. It is not even consistent as each individual has free will to chance their thinking on any given subject at any instant for any reason or no reason at all.

It follows then that representation as a form of government must deal in generalities, that may or may not reflect the individual belief of the person within the group being represented.

Toss in that whole 'if we had a computer' straw man and the guys whole argument goes up in flames.

The whole theory of representative government is we choose a person to represent our views, but once chosen that person uses his own best judgment to do what is best for the country not what is best for any one specific group. We don't have that now, but we once did, because we had, for the most part, men of conscience, men of honor and integrity.

I'm not going through the entire excerpt clause by clause just to satisfy your demands that I do so.

Have a nice day.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:20 AM (VZwl0)

264 MTF at May 09, 2015 11:18 AM

ok then, if you insist.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:22 AM (VZwl0)

265 It's 0-1 for black Presidents so far, so I don't buy that shit.

Posted by: TexasJew at May 09, 2015 11:23 AM (uDclo)

266 MTF don't go away, I have to fetch an image from the Chive. It will take me a minute to find it.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:24 AM (VZwl0)

267 Here it is.

The one young lady has a charming, warm, and sincere smile. The other is more of a grimace, a pseudo smile that is fake and doesn't reach her eyes. Perhaps she is forcing a smile as she tries to activate the camera.

http://tinyurl.com/on478qz

That was my first reaction. Looking at it again, I realize my reaction is subjective, depending on my mood and feelings (and blood glucose level) of the moment.

When I first saw the photo my immediate reaction was a frisson of dismay and the urge to run away from the predatory species. (from the movie Species)

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:29 AM (VZwl0)

268 And the UK press is every bit as dishonest and fanboy driven as ours.

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disagree. they say upfront where they stand. no pretensions to impartiality

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 11:30 AM (Cq0oW)

269 Art V convention

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supports the statists.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 11:31 AM (Cq0oW)

270 Holy balls. On the Geller situation... who would've ever guessed that David Frum would get something right and Laura Ingraham would get it wrong?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at May 09, 2015 11:36 AM (a5m3K)

271 One thing I took away from the British elections is that in the current climate of Two Minutes Hate All The Time is that those people who don't just tell pollsters to F off will lie like rugs.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 09, 2015 11:47 AM (OCcU9)

272 267The one young lady has a charming, warm, and sincere smile. The other is more of a grimace, a pseudo smile that is fake and doesn't reach her eyes. Perhaps she is forcing a smile as she tries to activate the camera.

http://tinyurl.com/on478qz

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:29 AM (VZwl0)



That's very interesting. Looking at the picture, I honestly can't tell which is which. I just see two pretty young women smiling.

I have very poor "people skills". I can't read people at all. That's why I'm pretty much a hermit who stays holed up at home with the cats.

Posted by: rickl at May 09, 2015 12:11 PM (sdi6R)

273 It reads like a graph of privilege. The most privileged groups are at the top, the least privileged groups are at the bottom.

Posted by: JohnJ at May 09, 2015 12:31 PM (TF/YA)

274 ACarson?

Doctors, while often intelligent and deeply learned in medicine, are far too often narrow in their educations and authoritarian in their outlook on people.

Dr. Carson will have a mighty task in convincing me he is an exception.

People in the sciences too often consider that they are always right, while being astonishingly ignorant about history, philosophy, languages and literature. You know, the humanities, so often dismissed as meaningless nonsense by the stemtec crowd.

This ungrateful attitude comes from ignorance that the sciences are the children of the humanities. A quick demonstration of this fact is to note that one cannot teach mathematics or science without using a human language.

One thing our scientific moderns do not understand is the meaning of the words they use, especially those whose original meanings have been distorted for political propaganda purposes.

This is why so many in science, medicine, and technology are socialists: they are just plain ignorant.




Posted by: Brett at May 09, 2015 12:41 PM (xLoGA)

275 I'm not going through the entire excerpt clause by clause just to satisfy your demands that I do so.



Have a nice day.
Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at May 09, 2015 11:20 AM (VZwl0)


Not insisting on it, I have no way of enforcing it.

The only questions I have are: why must I become complicit in validating a behavior or belief that I deeply hate, when I can have the same responsibility for doing nothing?

The second is why should I choose to benefit the entire country? Isn't that like the pleb in the streets of Florence voting to support the Fascist state because of all the good Mussolini promised to bring to Italy? Why should I sacrifice the needs of my family and my conscience to the benefit of strangers who probably have more to gain from my compliance than I stand to gain from their control over my life?

You have a nice day too. And it is a nice day for it.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 09, 2015 01:13 PM (t//F+)

276 Nood, gardening.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 01:14 PM (9BRsg)

277 If this is the kind of poll they show republican candidates, then why do they lie to get elected?

Posted by: Leo at May 09, 2015 01:36 PM (o05UX)

278 I don't give a flying piece of pig shit what Democrat voters want. Their political wants and hopes and dreams are irrelevant. Except for heartlessly crushing them. They skew the whole chart with their bizarre unreliable inconsistencies.

Just invert the whole thing for a more accurate picture of reality.

Posted by: bour3 at May 09, 2015 02:45 PM (5x3+2)

279 Can't we just pick the best person for the job without worrying about skin color or genitalia?

Posted by: Lurker at May 09, 2015 04:27 PM (7ThiM)

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