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April 30, 1975 - The Day Saigon Fell
40 years ago today the "People's" Army of Vietnam and their VC commie guerrilla pals overran Saigon. This marked the end of organized defense by South Vietnam and created the paradise on earth that is The Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
First, some iconic photos:
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: the real ch3 at April 30, 2015 05:07 PM (IG5KL)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 05:07 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 05:08 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at April 30, 2015 05:08 PM (DQZLr)
Posted by: running away, looking over shoulder for Ravage at April 30, 2015 05:08 PM (1FyZ2)
Posted by: dartist at April 30, 2015 05:09 PM (ahBY0)
I FEEL UNSAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 05:09 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: running away, looking over shoulder for Ravage at April 30, 2015 05:08 PM
"Fun sized".
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2015 05:09 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 05:10 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:10 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: George Costanza at April 30, 2015 05:10 PM (1FyZ2)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (xkSSa)
When the U.S. tells you that we'll be there for you, that we'll stand by your side and fight for what's right, you can bet your ass that at some point we'll pick up and leave.
You're on your own, chump.
Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 05:12 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 05:12 PM (kff5f)
Me love you retiree long time.
Posted by: Vietnam at April 30, 2015 05:12 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 05:12 PM (kff5f)
We're contemplating harboring there if we ever do the "live-aboard" lifestyle...
Cam Rahn Bay is a party town.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:13 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (CwVOr)
*********************
I think you mean 10 feet.
Posted by: Grace Slick at April 30, 2015 05:13 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:13 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 05:14 PM (kivUY)
The United States *was* a two headed monster one in thrall to our enemy....
now we are a bipolar one headed monster.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:14 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 30, 2015 05:14 PM (WvXvd)
Dems, on the other hand......
Posted by: pep at April 30, 2015 05:14 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Mattress Police at April 30, 2015 05:15 PM (9Z8lH)
as opposed to Baltimore, St Louis, Detroit...the world's a war zone ma'am...
choose your allies and run for cover if/when the storm comes.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:15 PM (/4AZU)
Democrats have been betraying US interests since the Copperheads.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:16 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 05:16 PM (kivUY)
It was an interesting experience, and one which moved me to volunteer for the Air Force because of it.
I can never forget the faces of the people crammed onto tiny boats, or into overcrowded helicopters, heading out beyond the territorial waters, hoping and trusting that they would be picked up. I can't forget the stories that some of the refugees I worked with told me afterwards.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at April 30, 2015 05:17 PM (95iDF)
Iraq
Afghanistan
Defeats snatched from the jaws of victory by your patriotic democrat party.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 30, 2015 05:17 PM (TV9BR)
So it's not that the US betrayed South Vietnam technically, just for all practical purposes.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 05:18 PM (kff5f)
do you have any of the T-62's smashing open the gates of ??
I thought it was ridiculous that the NVA Army with several ARMORED DIVISIONS was referred to as a "Peasant Army."
Posted by: rd at April 30, 2015 05:18 PM (NvD/W)
Posted by: Lamely trying to hide identity... at April 30, 2015 05:18 PM (n6Nt0)
I helped Vietnamese boat folk study for the US Citizenship test back when it meant something...
https://youtu.be/Rc2wDyMbh0o
Hickock 45 reviews the Chiappa Rhino
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:19 PM (/4AZU)
Six foot tall Alice does not appreciate you heteronormatively assigning Xer gender pronouns.
Posted by: wooga at April 30, 2015 05:19 PM (vNzbV)
Still looking forward to pissing on Jane Fonda's -- and all the other traitors to these young men -- grave. I suspect it's gonna be a long line ahead of me. That's okay, I've been saving up a long time.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 30, 2015 05:19 PM (xQX/f)
Posted by: Javems at April 30, 2015 05:19 PM (ZnvRl)
AllenG, I just prefer to precisely identify who really sold all those people in South East Asia who got murdered, tortured,, imprisoned, and fled their countries down the Mekong river.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:21 PM (CwVOr)
Compare and contrast.
Bonus points for making Whitey be racist in both.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 30, 2015 05:21 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at April 30, 2015 05:21 PM (8E9QA)
all of us.
Posted by: Pecan Scandi at April 30, 2015 05:21 PM (JVWwF)
But I know that it makes him very, very angry what happened after his friends died there.
It really shaped his thoughts about foreign policy, and that -in turn- shaped mine.
1) Go in.
2) Win.
3) Get out.
But if you're not going to do step 2, don't even bother with step 1.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 05:22 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)
Wut?
Posted by: Average Democrat at April 30, 2015 05:23 PM (LAe3v)
Eh New Zealand is doable, I'm bothered wife and I probably can't migrate to either New Zealand or Oz....
I love the Vietnamese, almost married a Viet gal..
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:23 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 30, 2015 05:23 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 30, 2015 05:23 PM (wlDny)
And remember, despite all the bloodshed and betrayal, the Vietnamese today work long hours making goods for US companies, so they can spend their wages on KFC and tickets to American movies.
All betraying them did was add a generation of suffering. Communism still lost in the end.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 30, 2015 05:23 PM (OiH3z)
Fair enough.
But what about the people who elected those Democrats? Many of whom would then turn their backs on the men who served and bled over there.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 05:24 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 30, 2015 05:25 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:25 PM (CwVOr)
It also dismissed the sacrifice of 50,000 young men, as well as our national honor. Burn in hell, Frank Church.
Posted by: pep at April 30, 2015 05:26 PM (LAe3v)
Between this and the Bukkake Theater thread below, I'm terribly depressed.
It seriously seems like I have nothing substantive in common with most of my fellow countrymen- and might not have ever in my lifetime.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 05:27 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican
But we love the Red Man. I love them so much I stole an Affirmative Action seat at Harvard from one.
Posted by: Fauxcahontas at April 30, 2015 05:27 PM (Q/rld)
Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at April 30, 2015 05:28 PM (8E9QA)
Saigon didn't fall, it was pushed.
Pushed by Democrat run Congress that took away all the funding we had promised to SVN when we pulled the troops out.
Contrary to Jane Fonda, Billy Ayers, Walter Cronkite and other leftist scumbags, we did not lose in Viet Nam, we were hamstrung, hampered and restricted on all fronts yet we were still keeping them north of the DMZ.
Not even the '68 Tet Offensive did much real damage. But the leftists here at home with their enabling partners in the Media made it look as if we were drowning in blood.
The viet Cong shot their wad in '68. It was a desparation move because they were losing influence, money and places to hide. The NVA couldn't reinforce them and barely were supplying them. It was a suicide run and with a week the Cong were shattered.
But the optics were bad and no one believed the military anymore because we expected war to look like what Hollywood had sold us for years. And besides this war wasn't like the war in Europe or even in the Pacific (although that came closer).
Then we had all the fifth columnists working busily to undermine the military and anyone who tried to keep the commitment we made by treaty to aid the SVN in their fight against the NVA.
And on top of that a bunch of college pukes who didn't want to wind up getting shot in VN and disrupting their college degree. See that's what frosts the cookie. Until Johnson started pouring more conscripts into VN no one gave a shit but to win it we needed bodies on the ground.
Which was good but they then hamstrung the military as to ROE and objectives, micromanaged the bombing from 10,000 miles away by just out of Yale and Harvard MBA's telling Military guys with chests full of medals how to fight the war. It soon became a mess and everyone started to CYA and once that happens, the tactical situation goes down the toilet.
Drugs and dope didn't help but that was more a symptom than a cause.
the military made big mistakes by trying to shuffle every officer through the war zone so as to get them some combat experience on their record. Officers were on a 6 month tour while the grunts were on a 12 month tour.
this led to some disparity of experience and some resentment in the ranks. Experienced CO's were being rotated our and newbies shoved in while experience nco's were getting told what to do by some wet behind the ears college grad who was humpin some chick on the quad just last week. It led to some tense situations.
Also too many commanders leading from above. Sure it gave them a bird's eye view of the battle field but it also separated them from the gunfire and havoc meanwhile the troops were slogging through mud, blood and fighting off disease and bugs just for some whirly bird commando to swoop in with clean utilities telling them how proud he was.
This also was a time of racial tension as the blacks thought they were catching the short end of the stick while the white guys got the deferments. Some truth to that but the out and out rebellion and threat didn't help things.
Yet through all this we were winning. Until Nixon went away and Gerry Ford turned out to be almost as worse as Carter did turn out to be. And Congress pulled the plug and Vietnam went bye bye.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 05:30 PM (zRby/)
AllenG, then we might as well talk about Walter Cronkite and the media lies that were beaten into the American psyche on how the war was lost in 68.
For 1975, the immediate causants of the fall were those anti-war Democrats. A modern army in combat can't survive when their supplier stops supplying.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:30 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 30, 2015 05:23 PM (wlDny)
France (1954) or USA?
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 30, 2015 05:30 PM (xQX/f)
Posted by: John Fucking Kerry at April 30, 2015 05:31 PM (ty633)
Donkey *wanted* us to lose Vietnam not even pull the draw and reveled behind closed doors that "the good guys finally won."
They deny the re-education camps and were arguing at the time the Cambodian Killing fields were overstated as the other dominoes fell.
I swore a blood oath back in the 70s as a child seeing this shit on the TV that I would die before I voted mule....
of course the GOP is now more Mule than the Mules then were...
I have no country.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:31 PM (/4AZU)
here at home with their enabling partners in the Media made it look as
if we were drowning in blood.
The Viet Cong were decimated by the Tet Offensive and never recovered. The Regulars also lost heavily. Walter The Wrongkite was a bullshit liberal liar. And both the North and Wrongkite owned up to this decades later.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 30, 2015 05:33 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Ron who gets no Clinton Cash at April 30, 2015 05:35 PM (PHsbY)
Jungle John Kerry will be buried with full US military honors(sadly) and in a swerve get Hero of the Soviet Union, Chinese Red Banner, and Vietnamese Red Order as well...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:35 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 05:35 PM (RYMED)
There's a fair number of graves I mean to piss on,and I mean to live long enough to do so.
But John Kerry's is #1.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 30, 2015 05:36 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 30, 2015 05:36 PM (jeCnD)
Hanoi Jane is number 1 for me.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 30, 2015 05:37 PM (wlDny)
Spy museum in DC has diaramas of what the Vietnamese holes looked like, that they dug to disguise themselves during the war. Like a giant ant colony down there.
When I was little I remember the posters from Miss Saigon; at the time it, Les Mis, Cats and Phantom seemed like the biggest musicals ever. (Ha that dates me.) But I cannot think of the last time I ever heard the musical being mentioned, or performed anywhere. Was it a terrible musical, anyone see it? I listened to the soundtrack once, the fact I cannot remember one song from it probably says it all.
Posted by: LizLem at April 30, 2015 05:39 PM (yRwC8)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 30, 2015 05:43 PM (wlDny)
The Tunnels of Cu Chi were an astounding work of human engineering...
https://youtu.be/ff7alf6EKnw
(Documentary)
Rat-Six and batman were legendary tunnel rats.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 05:43 PM (/4AZU)
What lost the war on the homefront was the optics; people finally could see live video feeds of the horrors of war in their living rooms, combined with the media narrative that the war was pointless and hopeless. Tell that to the children of Vietnamese immigrants though. Enabling media has existed for a long time; finally we have some tools of our own to try to push back.
Posted by: LizLem at April 30, 2015 05:44 PM (yRwC8)
I have come to the conclusion that all Democrats are treasonous, lying, crooks, and assholes.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 30, 2015 05:47 PM (wlDny)
.
Tours were the same for Army personnel, enlisted or commissioned (except for Al Gore anyway).. Often times company grade officers were pulled from the field after six months but they stayed in country, the attrition rate was pretty high for them.
Posted by: Javems at April 30, 2015 05:48 PM (ZnvRl)
and it's going to be on PBS.
I can just imagine the spin. It was all Nixon's fault, all the republican's fault, and the word 'democrat' will never be mentioned.
Now I'm really angry
Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 05:49 PM (IUube)
Never say "for nothing".
Democrats needed 100K of our dead and 10+M killed by US to forget the Cold War long enough for RR to say "We Win".
Posted by: DaveA at April 30, 2015 05:53 PM (DL2i+)
Rotating the officers was probably the biggest mistake.
The newbies had to keep learning the same lessons.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 30, 2015 05:54 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: DanMan at April 30, 2015 06:02 PM (RusNE)
That's assuming these last 11 flew out on "Lady Ace 09", with the Ambassador.
Posted by: weew at April 30, 2015 06:06 PM (0tmLY)
Posted by: small town girl at April 30, 2015 06:07 PM (W4M4n)
The grunts did not get 6 months at hq is my point.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 06:07 PM (zRby/)
Inflicted by the anti war anti american Democrats.
I don't understand, don't they know they live here?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 06:10 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Mike at April 30, 2015 06:12 PM (c056A)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 06:37 PM (Sd++4)
Posted by: Walter Cronkite at April 30, 2015 06:38 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: weew at April 30, 2015 06:40 PM (0tmLY)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaroland at April 30, 2015 06:40 PM (6AHTe)
Posted by: weew at April 30, 2015 06:42 PM (0tmLY)
Posted by: Brian Williams at April 30, 2015 06:43 PM (RusNE)
Posted by: Frogger McGhee at April 30, 2015 06:43 PM (tDemh)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2015 06:44 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaroland at April 30, 2015 06:44 PM (6AHTe)
Posted by: weew at April 30, 2015 06:45 PM (0tmLY)
The year I took the boards, my rommate was a Vietnamese guy. He told a fascinating story. During the Vietnam war, he was a physician with ARVN. When Vietnam fell, he got his family out, but decided that since he was a noncombatant, it would be safe for him to stay -- after all, they needed docs, right?
Unfortunately, the commies didn't feel that way. He was arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to a re-education camp for about 15 years and used for slave labor. Finally, physically broken, he was released in Ho Chi Minh city and given a menial government job.
He then applied to emigrate to the US, but the very fact he asked to go was considered treason, and he lost his job. Without income, he ended up living in the Chinese ghetto (the Chinese were a persecuted minority at the time) living on scraps.
Then, in the late 80s, the Vietnamese decided to deport Chinese. So, he claimed to be Chinese, and they deported him -- allowing him to come to the US, where he was re-united with his family after something like 20 years.
He was trying to rebuild his career as a physician. He had some significant language issues and had some problems passing the boards. The time I took it was his third try. We didn't keep in touch, but I hope he did well...
Posted by: billo at April 30, 2015 06:46 PM (WUK1X)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 06:47 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: small town girl at April 30, 2015 06:07 PM (W4M4n)
Something that seldom gets talked about is that that was an Air America (CIA) helicopter picking those people up.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at April 30, 2015 06:47 PM (yTMXB)
Its a sock. A really tiresome sock.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2015 06:47 PM (8ZskC)
The newbies had to keep learning the same lessons.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 30, 2015 05:54 PM (jeCnD)
*nods with raised beer*
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaroland at April 30, 2015 06:47 PM (6AHTe)
Eh, I like it.
Cloggenstein, you're welcome to post your silly sockiness whenever you want.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 06:48 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 06:49 PM (uhftQ)
Tangentially, sis and BIL worked in Vietnam for a few months.
One day they found that they were missing a few shoes - someone had used a fishing pole to fish them through the locked gate of their open front door.
They knew that because whoever had left the pole.
Posted by: SJWs at April 30, 2015 06:50 PM (0NdlF)
Later I worked with a Vietnamese guy who got out on one of the boats later. The stories he told would give you chills.
Posted by: tu3031 at April 30, 2015 06:50 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2015 06:50 PM (0NdlF)
They knew that because whoever had left the pole.
They stole the pole to steal some shoes so they could steal a scooter, so they could go buy a gun to rob a store...
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 06:52 PM (uhftQ)
One day they found that they were missing a few shoes - someone had used a fishing pole to fish them through the locked gate of their open front door.
Give a man a shoe and he has one shoe. Teach a man to fish and he'll never go barefoot again.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2015 06:52 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 06:52 PM (NRYwd)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 06:53 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 06:54 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 06:55 PM (NRYwd)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 06:58 PM (NRYwd)
Posted by: Golfman at April 30, 2015 06:59 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 07:00 PM (Sd++4)
Posted by: butternut at April 30, 2015 07:00 PM (F6ceQ)
the war in Cambodia was under CIA's bailiwick just like Laos....
and the Congress fucked Ford, of course we didn't know Presidents could just ignore Congress back then unlike your Mocha Jesus has taught us.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 07:01 PM (/4AZU)
Being so small, he was one of the guys who guy sent into those underground bunkers the VC had, armed with only a flashlight and a .45. He told me a lot of stories over the years about what it was like. Damn, some of the stories he told would curl your fucking hair. War is a nasty business, and that is a fact, no matter where or when it is fought. But he was adamant that despite everything, we won the damn war. Our guys kicked the Commie's asses, well and truly. But the Democrats gave it away by cutting off the supplies to the SVN army, while they were facing a force with more troops, tanks and trucks that the Wehrmacht in WW II ever fielded. With supplies and our air support, the NVA could have been defeated again, but that is not what the Commiecrats wanted, may they all bark in Hell...
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at April 30, 2015 07:01 PM (yTMXB)
Ok, that just might be my new fave expletive from this site, and there is a loooong list of awesome expletives that have been posted over the years.
Posted by: LizLem at April 30, 2015 07:02 PM (yRwC8)
Eat me...
Posted by: Mickey Lolich at April 30, 2015 07:03 PM (/WmRg)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 07:04 PM (Sd++4)
He hated the American left with a white hot passion.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 30, 2015 07:06 PM (lmdHn)
Posted by: tu3031 at April 30, 2015 07:06 PM (YFFpo)
It's that special Vermont Donk shithead math...
Tricky Dick had a special time machine whereby he went back and forced JFK and LBJ to escalate the STRICTLY air support and advisory actions Truman and Ike had backed...
he was rascally like that....
Mary you have some Huma in your teeth.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 07:07 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:09 PM (NRYwd)
And the Democrats have the gall to congratulate each other.
*spit*
Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 07:09 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 06:54 PM (uhftQ)
The plight and/or outcome for South Vietnam, mattered nothing to the (D)Marxists. Same as Iraq. It was a grab for political power. They care nothing about ....people.
The parallels are precise.
The (D)marxist Party needs to be exterminated.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaroland at April 30, 2015 07:10 PM (6AHTe)
What a coincidence.
Just kidding, airshow this weekend.
Posted by: Joe Mama at April 30, 2015 07:10 PM (BXVvA)
Lincoln Chaffee is a fucking mule Juan...
he switched to the Dumbass party OVERT rather than stay in the covert wing.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 07:10 PM (/4AZU)
My rat bastard commie congressman, Peter DeFazio (D - what else?), who has been in the House since about 1943, and who never met a tax hike he didn't like, has his retirement home in NZ all prepped and ready to go. He figures he needs to have a nice place to escape to once the policies he has been voting for all these years finishes turning the country into a much larger version of Detroit.
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 30, 2015 07:11 PM (I8YZX)
And I would just love for any cockholster who wants to talk crap about the Hmong to go say that shit to the face of anyone involved in the Steve Canyon program. I'll bring the popcorn...
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at April 30, 2015 07:11 PM (yTMXB)
Fast forward to now. Not a whole lot of difference, except that we are a far dumber nation.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaroland at April 30, 2015 07:12 PM (6AHTe)
Posted by: north of Vung Tau at April 30, 2015 07:12 PM (8CdUx)
great society, new form of slavery
civil rights era, legal spaghetti
dem control of major cities, total failures
roe v wade, black genocide
dem control of academia, more stupidity
dem control of cultural institutions, marxist propaganda
is it me, or is there a pattern
Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 07:15 PM (Uk9e2)
Born in VN in the mid-'60s, her large family was due to leave on April 7. They were preparing their minuscule amount of stuff to take when my wife took SERIOUSLY ill, and due to her illness, they could not leave. They had to trade their papers to leave to save her life.
Due to this, her family spent the next 12 years in hell. She and her sisters attempted numerous times to leave by boat, but each time they ran afoul of the authorities. Luckily, they were young and only put into 'camps' that were lightly monitored, and were able to escape 3 times. Her father was not so lucky; he managed supplies to troops, and he spent 8 years in captivity, only being released when he was dying. Her BiL, who was a Major in the S. VN army, spent 7 years in a re-ed camp; to this day he suffers scars from it.
Beatings were frequent. Luckily, none of them were killed, but they knew plenty who were. They 'bought' some of their freedoms due to the businesses the family owned, selling them or transferring them in order to get each other out of troubles.
To this very day, she would kill a communist on sight. Without remorse of any kind. She puts the Islamic factions in the same light- seeing in them the very problems Communists caused them.
Today is a revered day for her community; there will be much sorrow. This is the day they lost their country. She (and they) will never fly any other flag other than the yellow and red striped one. Ever.
Posted by: Mr Wolf at April 30, 2015 07:16 PM (cjgnX)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:17 PM (NRYwd)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 30, 2015 07:06 PM (lmdHn)
I take it your friend isn't John McCain.
Posted by: Golfman at April 30, 2015 07:18 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 30, 2015 07:18 PM (JgC5a)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:19 PM (NRYwd)
No that'd be the federalists...
the Democrats were trying to cut deals with the Tories.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 07:20 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 07:20 PM (Uk9e2)
My rage knew no bounds. The thought pisses me off to this day.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2015 07:20 PM (oKE6c)
That was no church...
Posted by: Mr Wolf at April 30, 2015 07:22 PM (cjgnX)
I watched that shitty movie "The Killing Fields," in which that cocksucker Sam Waterston gravely intones that WE were to blame for the killing fields, because our bombing drove the Khmer Rouge crazy.
Asshole. Is there ANYTHING we're not to blame for?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2015 07:23 PM (oKE6c)
That was no church...
Posted by: Mr Wolf at April 30, 2015 07:22 PM (cjgnX)
No, it wasn't, but it held itself out as one. You know, one of those "Christian Lite" type outfits that is in fact a Commie outfit.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2015 07:23 PM (oKE6c)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_an_Elephant
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 07:23 PM (AVEe1)
Are you stupid, or simply trying it out for size?
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaroland at April 30, 2015 07:24 PM (6AHTe)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:25 PM (NRYwd)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaroland at April 30, 2015 07:27 PM (6AHTe)
Mocha Jesus has tried to start five more...but hey who's fucking counting right champ?
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 07:27 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 07:27 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Golfman at April 30, 2015 07:28 PM (b9RWD)
Posted by: Robinson at April 30, 2015 07:28 PM (5gToQ)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 30, 2015 07:28 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:28 PM (NRYwd)
Blessings to your dear wife and her family.
I do not see how people compare something as simple as the lifestyles for those in north vs south Korea and not come to the realization that there is something seriously fundamentally screwed up with communism. Is such a blatant example. If people here have not seen the doc on North Korea on Netflix, do so. Is chilling.
The worst parts of history for me are the what-might-have-beens. The what-might-have-been for south vietnam is pretty haunting.
Posted by: LizLem at April 30, 2015 07:29 PM (yRwC8)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 07:31 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 07:31 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:32 PM (NRYwd)
better to be the one hiring than the hiree...
you and Hector at rest stop 29 my friend.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 30, 2015 07:32 PM (/4AZU)
It's his flag too. It's definitely his nation; his caste controls it, via the bureaucracy, academy, and media.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 07:32 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 30, 2015 07:33 PM (l3vZN)
And that troll needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.
Posted by: rickl at April 30, 2015 07:33 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 07:34 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:32 PM (NRYwd)
So ... you're saying there's something wrong with homosexuality? That it's [i/]perverted? And antisocial? And its practitioners are to be deprecated, and/or prosecuted?
Good to know.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2015 07:34 PM (oKE6c)
Few years later the price was too high to stop communism.
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 07:34 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:35 PM (NRYwd)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 30, 2015 07:35 PM (l3vZN)
*thud*
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 07:37 PM (CwVOr)
For education and entertainment, whenever a Red says that the Republicans have moved far to the right, quote JFK and attribute the quote to, e.g., Rush Limbaugh.
I've done this, and received spluttering rage at the "conservative retard" with his "insane rantings." Then I tell them it's a JFK quote, and provide the link.
Probably doesn't do any good, but it makes me feel a little better, and there's not much that does that any more.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2015 07:37 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:37 PM (NRYwd)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 30, 2015 07:37 PM (KhFZp)
Personally I don't think China will be showing mercy.
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 07:38 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2015 07:40 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:40 PM (NRYwd)
http://bit.ly/okla-vn40
...More refugees fled on small boats - hundreds of thousands would lose their lives at sea. But many made their way to the United States and a few, eventually, to Oklahoma.
Then, during the 1980s and 1990s, more would arrive, including the children of former U.S. service members and others who'd suffered as political prisoners in communist re-education camps.
Today, there are more than 12,000 people who identify themselves as Vietnamese living in the Oklahoma City metropolitan area, according to the latest census figures.
To commemorate the anniversary of the Vietnam War's end, we recently asked several to discuss their refugee experience, the life they left behind and the freedom they've embraced in America. ...
Posted by: Slivered Surfer at April 30, 2015 07:40 PM (ACs58)
The Vietnamese paid a higher price for Democratic Party betray, you useless fuckwit.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 07:41 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 07:42 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2015 07:42 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 07:42 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 07:43 PM (ucDmr)
or, a propos the obama era, a us expectorate
dear leader will just harf it up
Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 07:44 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 07:44 PM (M/v8Y)
Posted by: Robinson at April 30, 2015 07:47 PM (5gToQ)
Posted by: Mike at April 30, 2015 07:49 PM (tCIrG)
Posted by: Mike at April 30, 2015 07:49 PM (c056A)
Recall that Cap'n. Harry dropped 2 big ones on the Sons of Nippon.
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 07:50 PM (M/v8Y)
Who you gonna believe them or your lying eyes?
These same people have been doing this since the Vietnam war. It is fucked up anyway but when they get in charge like now, it is a royal cluster fuck.
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 07:50 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 30, 2015 07:51 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: capt*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:51 PM (eHd+c)
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 07:51 PM (M/v8Y)
Posted by: capt*arizona at April 30, 2015 07:52 PM (eHd+c)
Posted by: Mike at April 30, 2015 07:54 PM (tCIrG)
Posted by: bullnuke at April 30, 2015 07:56 PM (8lP3Q)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 07:57 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: seamrog at April 30, 2015 07:58 PM (12uNu)
Posted by: Golfman at April 30, 2015 07:59 PM (48QDY)
I had come to grips with that damned war after not having gotten a good nights sleep for over 30 years. Then Obama and what he did to Iraq. Now that same damned hate filled resentment wrestles with me nearly all the time now.
Fucking sucks.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 30, 2015 07:59 PM (BZAd3)
as my grandpappy used to say, you feed the dangerous animals at the zoo -- not the trolls.
Posted by: the guy who always quotes his grandpappy at April 30, 2015 08:00 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 08:00 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: captain.arizona at April 30, 2015 08:00 PM (Nyany)
Posted by: ron n. at April 30, 2015 08:02 PM (YVQn/)
In fairness, I am sick of Bill Maher.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 08:04 PM (rwI+c)
He talks about it when I visit and he's had a few beers.
Pretty interesting stories about very interesting times.
I tried to get him to visit AoS but he hasn't yet so far as I know.
And yeah, we've both agreed Hanoi Jane first, then Kerry.
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at April 30, 2015 08:04 PM (4CRfK)
Posted by: bullnuke at April 30, 2015 07:56 PM (8lP3Q)
There were Carrier Air assets, in place, to completely destroy the NVA on the roads. USAF and 25th Division troops on Guam, were just waiting for the word.
Of course, it never came.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 30, 2015 08:05 PM (DCpyI)
Fuckin' gooks.
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 08:06 PM (M/v8Y)
Nearly 60,000 soldiers dead, including my cousin.
I had come to grips with that damned war after not having gotten a
good nights sleep for over 30 years. Then Obama and what he did to
Iraq. Now that same damned hate filled resentment wrestles with me
nearly all the time now.
Fucking sucks.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb
Kinda makes you wonder if those assholes that gave the orders to pull out have any recriminations at all.
They rinse and repeat so often I'm thinking not.
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at April 30, 2015 08:07 PM (4CRfK)
And yeah, we've both agreed Hanoi Jane first, then Kerry.
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at April 30, 2015 08:04 PM (4CRfK)
I have never seen a movie with Jane Fonda in it. I have embarrassed my wife by insisting that we leave whenever we were somewhere where people wanted to watch one of her movies. I have a lot of hate for her.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 30, 2015 08:08 PM (BZAd3)
They rinse and repeat so often I'm thinking not.
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at April 30, 2015 08:07 PM (4CRfK)
No, no they don't. Politicians have no training for war. In general they start out slow and work up to world wars.
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 08:09 PM (wkuqO)
He said John Kerry was a menace to himself and to those around him-- in the USN, if not the gooks.
Naturally, the god-king chose him to deliver nukes to the Twelver Mullahs.
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 08:10 PM (M/v8Y)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:10 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 08:13 PM (CwVOr)
We didn't lose Vietnam. In fact, I'll argue with anyone that we won, both Miiltarily (completely) and politically (eventually). What the US lost, was itself. Stolen by a media just starting to fully exert it Marxism. My brother is in Hanoi now, working for one of those eeeeevil capitalist Corporations.
They love it and they, them. The Vietnamese absolutely hate the Chinese.
Bill Maher.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 08:04 PM (rwI+c)
is a retarded puppy molester.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 30, 2015 08:13 PM (DCpyI)
They rinse and repeat so often I'm thinking not.
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at April 30, 2015 08:07 PM (4CRfK)
I've thought about that often. I think that a person changes when they have the power to send another into harms way, especially from a safe difference. I think that power can, if allowed, go to a person's head and they feed on the power of it to the point where other people's lives lose any value or meaning.
I didn't put that well, but you get the idea.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 30, 2015 08:13 PM (BZAd3)
Then the next day the coffin will be found floating in a lake of piss.
It's that bad. She's lucky she's lived this long.
Our numbers are declining.
But we're waiting Jane. We're waiting.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 08:15 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Bill Maher at April 30, 2015 08:15 PM (Nyany)
Not a leader, keeps getting to make choices that are way over his "knowledge"
Winston will be out of football in 5 years, if that.
Posted by: seamrog at April 30, 2015 08:16 PM (12uNu)
I didn't put that well, but you get the idea.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 30, 2015 08:13 PM (BZAd3)
Hard decisions should be difficult but:
This fucking president can go to bed while people he knows are being murdered. He is a cold son of a bitch and unless I miss my guess he has always been so.
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 08:16 PM (wkuqO)
It hurts seeing what happened to us happening to this generation of troops.
All the effort and sacrifice for nothing.
Courtesy of the Democrats.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 30, 2015 08:17 PM (jeCnD)
Recall that '65 was when the Marines landed.
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 08:19 PM (M/v8Y)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:19 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 08:16 PM (wkuqO)
It's part and parcel of his personality profile, for those of us who care to acknowledge that.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 30, 2015 08:20 PM (DCpyI)
The left, yeah. Some of the rich students, yeah.
Now. Now lately I've begun to HATE Democrats.
The kind of hate that says 'take no prisoners'.
That's why I'm getting so mad at the GOP. They're not really doing anything they haven't done before.
But now, they're doing it for people I HATE and who have made it very very clear that they HATE me and my religion and what I believe in and this country.
I cannot fully express how I feel for to do so would cross a legal line that could mean trouble for me and ace.
So I'll leave it to your imagination.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 08:21 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 08:22 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 08:23 PM (Uk9e2)
All the effort and sacrifice for nothing.
Courtesy of the (D)Marxists.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 30, 2015 08:17 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 30, 2015 08:24 PM (DCpyI)
He mimics emotion which is why he can be so persuasive.
Mentally he's divorced from reality. Reality has never really affected him. He has no sympathy no feelings, no empathy because he's dead inside.
The first I saw and the more I heard, I became afraid of this man. He is capable of anything.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 08:24 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: seamrog at April 30, 2015 08:24 PM (12uNu)
Posted by: DNC Spokestool at April 30, 2015 08:25 PM (2mJMN)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 08:25 PM (rwI+c)
$45 for a Kindle ebook version.
/whistle
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2015 08:26 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 08:26 PM (M/v8Y)
The left, yeah. Some of the rich students, yeah.
Now. Now lately I've begun to HATE Democrats.
The kind of hate that says 'take no prisoners'.
That's why I'm getting so mad at the GOP. They're not really doing anything they haven't done before.
But now, they're doing it for people I HATE and who have made it very very clear that they HATE me and my religion and what I believe in and this country.
I cannot fully express how I feel for to do so would cross a legal line that could mean trouble for me and ace.
So I'll leave it to your imagination.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 08:21 PM (zRby/)
I didn't understand them, then, and there were still those among their ranks that were like us. Now, I know them and feel the exact same way.
Trust me.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 30, 2015 08:28 PM (DCpyI)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:28 PM (nL0sw)
Have a great evening Morons!
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 08:29 PM (M/v8Y)
I guess you could call it a hunger for justice
Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 08:29 PM (Uk9e2)
$45 for a Kindle ebook version.
/whistle
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2015 08:26 PM (0NdlF)
I have the book somewhere. He used a Mod 70 winchester in 30-06
I had one that would shoot like that but they are rare.
Scopes are much better now.
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 08:30 PM (wkuqO)
True. Not cold and calculating. He's not that cunning. It's the powers behind him.
He's not all that smart, either.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 30, 2015 08:32 PM (DCpyI)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:32 PM (nL0sw)
Who, I have no clue but given the amibiguities of that night and that the NV never attacked like that before and never attacked like that again seems to me to look mighty suspicious.
Whenever we went into the Gulf to do SAR patrol, we had to carry .50 cals on the signal deck so as to repel their smaller craft. Never used them. Never came close. Never heard of them doing that again for the 2 1/2 tours I did over there.
They did not have the Navy necessary to think about attacking. Plus they were so outgunned.
All some sigint wonk's wetdream. And LBJ's EGO.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 08:32 PM (zRby/)
And LBJ's EGO
*nods* Agreed.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 30, 2015 08:35 PM (DCpyI)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 30, 2015 08:36 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:37 PM (nL0sw)
If we want to go further back, how about when Japan occupied French Indochina? Or France's attempt to regain their colony that lead to the first war in that beautiful land which only ended in 1954 creating North and South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.
But back to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. It was the reports of those two destroyers being attacked that lead to Johnson asking for the sweeping powers he claimed to need to deal with what had been until then a low intensity proxy war.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 08:38 PM (CwVOr)
Any team would benefit from having Cooper. The guy is going to be a star.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 08:39 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 08:40 PM (rwI+c)
You wanna rumble in Balmer, I put my taser on stun.
And outside Camden Yards,
I'll ice Sharpton.
Posted by: Robyn at April 30, 2015 08:40 PM (cIoI4)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 08:41 PM (CwVOr)
But I've heard that the Vietnamese people like Americans, more or less, and Americans who visit the country nowadays are treated well. For what it's worth. And they seem to be at least somewhat capitalist today, so maybe we had the last laugh. I don't know.
Posted by: rickl at April 30, 2015 08:42 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 30, 2015 08:40 PM (rwI+c)
Concur. We need some time off from the larger ills of the world.
Jets on the clock.
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:42 PM (nL0sw)
You can do that if you're a village mestizo kingpin in Michihuacan under Cortes. The Spaniards will have your back.
You CAN'T discriminate against non-Catholics if you're being supported by France, or by a Protestant / Deist nation like the US at the time. Those overlords are not going to have your back.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 08:43 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 08:41 PM (CwVOr)
I don't know how old you are, but everybody back then rolled their eyes at the administration's feeble attempt at justifying that whole incident.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 30, 2015 08:44 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:46 PM (nL0sw)
In review of the US's inability to commit, and the disastrous results of Democratic pullouts, I'm thinking there's something to be said for an isolationist view.
Enough entanglements. We're not God, nor are we a World Police.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2015 08:47 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 08:47 PM (AVEe1)
But the problem arose when the conspirators enlisted US assistance. Thus making the US the king maker in South Vietnam for the next several presidents and coups. It further destabilized the Republic and hampered efforts to fight the VC and NVA.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 08:47 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 08:49 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:52 PM (nL0sw)
In review of the US's inability to commit, and the disastrous results of Democratic pullouts, I'm thinking there's something to be said for an isolationist view.
Enough entanglements. We're not God, nor are we a World Police.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2015 08:47 PM (0NdlF)
In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan, my hope is that those who were children during the occupation will grow up to have fond memories of American military personnel. We may have planted seeds there, at least.
Posted by: rickl at April 30, 2015 08:52 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 08:49 PM (CwVOr)
I can tell. I only understood a little of the politics and I wasn't in Vietnam, I was in Laos.
Your understanding of the politics is very interesting.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 30, 2015 08:54 PM (BZAd3)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mqk28fh
Posted by: RioBravo at April 30, 2015 08:54 PM (NUqwG)
any forward motion by the time we landed in Danang
Posted by: admiral marcus at April 30, 2015 08:55 PM (0u/CC)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:56 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: admiral marcus at April 30, 2015 08:56 PM (0u/CC)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 30, 2015 08:56 PM (/WPPJ)
Video is highly recommended.
Posted by: JHW at April 30, 2015 08:57 PM (w+zdY)
Posted by: AltonJackson at April 30, 2015 08:57 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:59 PM (nL0sw)
And the same corruption playbook was used by this administration against Kharzi. And people acted all outraged because Kharzi started to make friendly noises with his bitter enemies. When your 'ally's is knifing you in your back, there is not much choice left.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 09:00 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: JHW at April 30, 2015 09:04 PM (w+zdY)
If capt Arizona were to meet my mother in law, this skinny 67 yr old granny would strangle him w her bare hands.
Viet Americans hate commies even more than Cubans hate Castro.
They arrived inUS w NOTHING. The 4 daughters all got college degrees, have families and careers ... No welfare ever, even after husband died in1980. Puts the Ferguson and Baltimore rioters to shame, who do zero w all they were blessed w to be born here.
Posted by: Kortezzi at April 30, 2015 09:04 PM (HudJG)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:05 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:05 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:05 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 30, 2015 09:06 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 09:07 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:07 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Diogenes at April 30, 2015 09:08 PM (08Znv)
Thanks and God Bless you and your family. That goddamn war fvcked up every single person I ever knew who went.
Posted by: dartist at April 30, 2015 09:09 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:11 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Feminazis at April 30, 2015 09:13 PM (1FyZ2)
Here's the link to "Brothers in War" if I'm not mistaken.
http://tinyurl.com/nffyajr
Posted by: dartist at April 30, 2015 09:13 PM (ahBY0)
Thanks and God Bless you and your family. That goddamn war fvcked up every single person I ever knew who went.
:
Then you obviously haven't met many.
Posted by: Javems at April 30, 2015 09:18 PM (ZnvRl)
They arrived inUS w NOTHING. The 4 daughters all got college degrees, have families and careers ... No welfare ever, even after husband died in1980. Puts the Ferguson and Baltimore rioters to shame, who do zero w all they were blessed w to be born here.
Posted by: Kortezzi at April 30, 2015 09:04 PM (HudJG)
A couple of years ago, a Hmong family moved in down the block. Every time I see them I'm ashamed about the shit we put those people through when we bailed. I pass the matriarch of the family, little old lady about 3 1/2 ft tall and 200 years old, every now and then out walking. When I look at her, she knows. Makes me hurt.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 30, 2015 09:18 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:18 PM (nL0sw)
We've never won a war since we had a department of defense instead of a department of war.
Words.
Have.
Meanings.
Violate this principle at your own risk.
If the lord spares me, I'll be giving Vic competition one of these days ... my parents were beta testers for dirt.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 30, 2015 09:18 PM (go6ud)
Posted by: dartist at April 30, 2015 09:19 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: JHW at April 30, 2015 09:19 PM (w+zdY)
Posted by: America, Fcuk yeah at April 30, 2015 09:19 PM (KG0mU)
woot?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 30, 2015 09:20 PM (go6ud)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:25 PM (nL0sw)
The combination of establishing a Department of Defense to replace the War Department and the rejection of requiring a Declaration of War before commiting troops have been didsastrous for this country.
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 09:25 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 09:25 PM (ftVQq)
I just missed the draft, and I never had the willingness, courage, or manliness to fight.
Thus ends my confession, and thank you vets of all eras.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 09:26 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 09:30 PM (KG0mU)
Thus ends my confession, and thank you vets of all eras.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 09:26 PM (KG0mU)
Not really if you were drafted you would be like most everyone else and do what is in front of you. They tell you where you go and when, you might have ended up in Germany.
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 09:30 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 09:30 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:33 PM (nL0sw)
http://goo.gl/CiRDzp
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 09:33 PM (iQIUe)
I have no idea how I would have behaved.
My mother lost her only sibling in Italy 1941 (American boy joined Canadian Infantry)
She "discouraged" me from ever joining.
But I wouldn't of anyway
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 09:33 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: Osoloco at April 30, 2015 09:34 PM (9kGho)
Posted by: no good deed at April 30, 2015 09:35 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 30, 2015 09:37 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 30, 2015 09:38 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: no good deed at April 30, 2015 09:35 PM (GgxVX)
Today I did something I don't usually do: read uninteresting comments under the headline.
I was amazed to find out it is true, I have white privilege and they are quick to call it out.
These are damaged people, by their own hand.
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 09:38 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: no good deed at April 30, 2015 09:40 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: just saying at April 30, 2015 09:41 PM (wkuqO)
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My dad had two tours as a combat engineer in the 1st Cavalry. Turned out OK.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at April 30, 2015 09:41 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:41 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:41 PM (nL0sw)
I was in my junior year at college when Vietnam fell. I recall watching the evening news every night and wondering, with many of my classmates, just how in hell this could be happening. Truly shameful behavior on the part of our political "betters", but they felt no shame, of course.
The parallels to Iraq and the current Middle East are many, and still thy have no shame.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at April 30, 2015 09:42 PM (95CzI)
I do not forget, I will never forget.
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ROBERT NELSON MORDEN
PFC - E2 - Marine Corps - Regular
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Dec 19, 1967
Casualty was on Feb 8, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
--------------------------------
LLOYD WHITFIELD MOORE
HN - E3 - Navy - Regular
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jan 15, 1968
Casualty was on Feb 25, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
GUN, SMALL ARMS FIRE
Body was recovered
---------------------------------
RICHARD MICHAEL CAMPBELL
SGT - E5 - Army - Selective Service
9th Infantry Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Apr 2, 1968
Casualty was on May 7, 1968
In GIA DINH, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
DROWNED, SUFFOCATED
Body was recovered
---------------------------------
CRAIG PHILIP AVERILL
CPL - E4 - Army - Regular
101st Airborne Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jun 12, 1967
Casualty was on Mar 26, 1968
In THUA THIEN, SOUTH VIETNAM
Hostile, died of wounds, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
---------------------------------
GLENN BRANSON HAINES JR
PFC - E3 - Army - Selective Service
18th Eng Bde
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Nov 26, 1968
Casualty was on Mar 6, 1969
In , SOUTH VIETNAM
Non-Hostile, died of illness/injury, GROUND CASUALTY
ACCIDENTAL SELF-DESTRUCTION
Body was recovered
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JOE WOFFORD EUBANKS
CAPT - O3 - Army - Regular
1st AVN BDE
His tour began on Nov 13, 1971
Casualty was on Jun 2, 1972
In PLEIKU, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, HELICOPTER - CREW
AIR LOSS, CRASH ON LAND
Body was recovered
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 30, 2015 09:42 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 08:59 PM (nL0sw)
Clempson?.....'round here that's Clem's son.
Posted by: BignJames at April 30, 2015 09:42 PM (j7iSn)
The abandonment of the people there pisses me off.
Posted by: junior at April 30, 2015 09:44 PM (2/wDX)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 30, 2015 09:44 PM (go6ud)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 09:45 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: Witchfinder at April 30, 2015 09:46 PM (MsFCE)
Baltimore is going to get interesting over the weekend I fear.
Chris Plante said this morning that he really wished that the Democrat (Brown) had won the race for governor in 2014, because then you would have had a clear Democrat MD cadre (Governor, Mayor, City Council, US Senators, and most of the MD Representatives).
As it is I feel sorry for Hogan because he will wind up blamed for everything in the long run.
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 09:46 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:46 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 30, 2015 09:46 PM (OsWis)
good luck with that, amirite ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 30, 2015 09:48 PM (go6ud)
The ones that really hit me hardest are those that barely got in country and were lost.
Bless them all!
Kcuf all Dem politicians!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 09:51 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 30, 2015 09:51 PM (B451F)
Posted by: no good deed at April 30, 2015 09:52 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:53 PM (nL0sw)
"Voting" didn't work.
Still working on the "Praying" route.
Looks like the "Buy More Ammo" concept is worth pursuing!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 09:54 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 30, 2015 09:55 PM (JgC5a)
A wise move in a fundamentally transformed Amerikkka!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 09:55 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 30, 2015 09:55 PM (JgC5a)
And they had some really great classic cars
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 30, 2015 09:56 PM (R8hU8)
I do not forget, I will never forget.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 30, 2015 09:58 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 09:58 PM (nL0sw)
I think I get what they're saying and they're kinda correct.
People came out OKAY but were affected and different than if they hadn't had to go. I think that happens to any soldier/sailor/marine in war.
It is a fact though that a large number of military men from the Viet Nam era have/had greater problems adjusting to life back home and some still do.
In fact, anyone wanting to show their appreciation and understanding to a Viet Vet, give to the Salvation Army or any other org that takes care of the homeless. Large numbers of vets from all wars wind up on the street, due to drugs, alcohol, inability to cope with the world, loss of hope, loss of soul. Lots of reasons and many may seem they're own fault. Still who knows if they hadn't had to go and hadn't faced what they faced and hadn't been spit on when they came home, how different would they be now?
Back then a lot of people in this country turned their backs or outright jeered at returning vets. For a long time being a vet was to be suspected of some sort of fault or failure. Lot's of guys took it personal.
I and lot of others didn't (and still don't much person to person. here is different) talk about being there and anything that went on after we got home. Just tried to get back to living. But it was difficult at times and there wasn't many to talk to about it.
Well times have changed in that regard. And too bad that just when it did we got conned by South State Street 2 card Monte dealer and taken for all our pennies.
There's people got some dues to pay. I hope I get to see it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 10:00 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 10:04 PM (zRby/)
Back then a lot of people in this country turned their backs or outright jeered at returning vets. For a long time being a vet was to be suspected of some sort of fault or failure. Lot's of guys took it personal.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 10:00 PM (zRby/)
Veterans probably have an easier time reintegrating into society if they are celebrated as heroes rather than condemned as baby-killers.
Posted by: rickl at April 30, 2015 10:05 PM (sdi6R)
Risky pick, he was kicked off the team at Washington
Posted by: Country Singer at April 30, 2015 10:05 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 30, 2015 10:06 PM (B451F)
That's more of what I meant but I can't write for shit. I knew quite a few guys who died from the effects of Agent Orange with cancer, etc. and a few years ago I found that it caused heart disease as well. Go to any V.A. and look at the guys from Afghanistan and Iraq now that that king putt gave it all back. Seems to be for nothing and it gets old watching it. What goes around comes around takes a long time.
Posted by: dartist at April 30, 2015 10:14 PM (ahBY0)
So they fled communism with the clothes on their back and came to the US&A and are 1%ers. They say living well is the best revenge. Eat it commies.
Posted by: Blooshier at April 30, 2015 10:14 PM (p2q3U)
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And Second Tonkin was even worse. There's still some back and forth over whether the first incident actually happened. But no one at all believes that the second incident occurred.
Posted by: junior at April 30, 2015 10:16 PM (2/wDX)
As to the actual number of homeless. Well there was homeless activist Snyder, guy who abandoned his wife, wore an Army fatigue shirt, and later committed suicide, claimed there were three million. In 1984 HUD estimated between 250,000 and 350,000. The 1990 US Census tried to count them and only found 228,621. In all of the US.
The state of Missouri did try to count how many of the homeless were Vietnam vets. They found the numbers so small to conclude there was no need for a special agency. Another finding from Missouri they found the Vietnam vets had a higher employment rate than their peers who did not serve.
The above information was extracted from pg 314 - 317 from Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heroes and its History by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley. 1998. Verity Press. Dallas, TX.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 10:16 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 30, 2015 10:24 PM (go6ud)
Knowing what I would think that you would know by now of the honesty and integrity of the Government AND other reporting agencies/Media, why would you think that any of those statistics have/had any positive correlation with the truth?
We know NOW that the Government lies. Regrettably, that is also true for PAST Governments and Media.
There are a LOT of homeless vets.
So pick a number between the advocates' millions and the pooh poohers in Government(who have a vested interest in NOT finding any homeless at all) who say none and you come out with something close to the truth.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 10:31 PM (zRby/)
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