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Republicans: Block This Corker Bill Immediately
Rubio's offering some bullshit amendments designed to make him appear Strong On Defense but he's just part of Failure Theater like the rest of them.
Without this bill, Obama needs 67 votes to approve the Iran treaty. With the bill, the treaty is presumptively approved, and it takes 67 votes to disapprove of the treaty. And this is Corker's way of showing he's "standing up to Obama." How? By performing analingus on him? This is just the latest insult from the Republican Party. All their bullshit is designed to trick conservatives into thinking they're taking a stance, when in fact they're voting with the Democrats. If Corker has good reasons why this treaty should be passed -- and it's plain that he's a fan, because he's making up yet more Fake Opposition to pass it -- he should say so. We could have an argument about it. Maybe Corker has good reasons for wanting this treaty passed. Maybe, if I heard those reasons, I'd agree that it should be passed. But Corker and McConnell fundamentally despise and disrespect Republican voters. That is why they never have an honest talk with us. They never explain "This is why we're retroactively approving Obama's executive amnesty. Do you agree with our reasons?" No, they lie, they pretend they're opposed to it, and they stage productions of Failure Theater to trick conservatives into thinking they're opposing it -- but are just being outfoxed, by gum! -- when in fact they've voted in advance to lose on the issue. They think conservatives are unreasonable, emotional, unthinking racist monsters, just like MSNBC does. Because if they had the least respect for us, they'd explain their reasons for disagreeing with us, rather than tricking us, yet again, like we're a pack of unruly Retarded Children who must be tricked into going to the doctor. Corker's bill does not impose limits on Obama; Corker's bill does not oppose the Iran treaty. Corker's bill is a nasty trick to once again allow Republican officeholders pretend at opposing Obama, when they're just creating convoluted mechanisms to permit them to appear to be voting against him, when they're actually voting against him. Without the Corker bill, Obama would need 67 Senate votes to pass his treaty. The treaty dies without the Corker bill. With the Corker bill, Obama needs only 34 Senate votes to keep his treaty -- which is actually passed, beforehand, by the Corker bill. The treaty passes into law with the Corker bill. But Corker, McConnell, and the rest of the traitors will Lie To Your Fucking Face that they "did their best" when, once again, another Obama measure is passed by the Senate. But by gum! They did their best. They fought so hard but they just couldn't do it. Here's how you actually defeat Obama's treaty: 1. You scrap the Corker bill, which approves of the treaty, then requires a supermajority of 67 to block it it. (Something which will fail.) 2. Then, you vote against the treaty. Simple, isn't it? You just vote against the treaty. You don't create a convoluted process where you first vote for the treaty and then later vote against it -- but oh darn! That first vote was the important one! Failed again! The fuck with these people. They are lying to us, they are corrupt as the worst whores of hell, and they are leading this country into destruction. Do not go gently on this Corker bill. Raise Hell. Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 02:50 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 02:50 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 02:51 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 02:51 PM (fLKzW)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2015 02:52 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 02:52 PM (uhftQ)
Why, it's almost as if they know the voters would go batshit crazy so they do these pretzel logic kinds of deceptions to hide the truth.
Posted by: MTF at April 30, 2015 02:52 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Ace at 02:48 PM
Okay, read it.
ace, do you really think we're the intended audience for their kabuki?
Conservatives, that is?
I mean, we seem to see right through their shit.
I think this is more aimed at the establishment types, LIVs, and Fox News viewers.
You know, the people who brought us Romney.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 02:52 PM (AkOaV)
How? By performing analingus on him?
Posted by: donald trump at April 30, 2015 02:52 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 02:51 PM (fLKzW)
...and nutritious.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 02:52 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: Dave, pantless in Texas at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (U8sWC)
Posted by: Bernie the Bolshie at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (Spluw)
How? By performing analingus on him?
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who could possibly be short enough to stand up and so that at the same time???
Posted by: donald trump at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (SyKbw)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: George Michaels at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: sound awake at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (X3/E7)
Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (Xr3y2)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (7ObY1)
They think conservatives are unreasonable, emotional, unthinking racist monsters
Who you callin' "unthinking"???????
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (Txrlv)
Posted by: Barney Frank at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (3F6F8)
Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (qYXyZ)
They're politicians. I don't think they can comprehend a world without lies. It is past their understanding and is scary.
Probably triggering.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (hLRSq)
They've done this same. exact. shit. how many times now?
How many times have they passed something, claiming it did the opposite of what it really did?
Like that whole CRomnibus fiasco right after the elections (but before the new class was sworn in). That was supposed to set up the "defund Obama's executive amnesty" hill, which the R's promised during campaign season they were going to die on.
Then, you know, a few months later... time to move on.
Anyone paying attention sees what their doing, which is why they must either think we're really fucking dumb, or they are aiming their kabuki at another audience (like R LIVs and GOPe types)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (AkOaV)
I have a really rough tongue, that analingus is going to hurt. Especially if Obama has hemoroids. I'm bringing the pain muthfuckas!
Posted by: Bob Corker at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: That Guy From Johnny Dangerously! at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (27KAF)
Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (qYXyZ)
January 20, 2009
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (dJWs0)
They can all go to hell for all I care.
Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (mypP6)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (/5wbV)
Posted by: davidt at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (/+zDJ)
Posted by: johnd01 at April 30, 2015 02:56 PM (ukNFU)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (/5wbV)
Whoa, let's not be too hasty here.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 02:56 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 30, 2015 02:56 PM (lmdHn)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 02:56 PM (Sd++4)
This is not just failure theater, this is an active attempt to further degrade our Constitutional protections.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 02:56 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Curly Bill at April 30, 2015 02:56 PM (5npD/)
Posted by: donald trump at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (/eTPT)
*types*
*deletes*
Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (7ObY1)
Big spender.
No difference between him and the Dems.
None.
Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (mypP6)
Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (fLKzW)
Yeah, I mean it wasn't that long ago that ace, most cobs, and a lot of commenters were calling me (well, people who think / vote the way I do, not me specifically) extremists and nutjobs and whatnot.
Now ace is more to the "fuck the GOPe, the horse they road in on, and everyone who looks like them" side of things then I am. Which I didn't think was possible.
But good for ace, I like it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (AkOaV)
I must be missing something.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (g1DWB)
I do, but I'm not going to tell you until you listen to a 47 hour monologue.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: donald trump at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (/eTPT)
*types*
*deletes*
Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (2Ojst)
A wise choice.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: NCKate
If there's a Mr. NCKate, he's going to be disappointed.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (ZkzmI)
maybe they're the ones this kabuki is aimed at.
good point....
the AIPAC / Adelson wing of the establishment...
hmm....
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)
I think the Tad Cochran runoff bullshit supported by McConnell solidified this for me more than anything else in my lifetime.
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (AoLFQ)
Obama says he can do it as a deal between him and Iran. Well, a few short years ago we called the "deals" treaties. What I said originally on this happy horseshit was somebody need to present this directly to the Supreme Court under a writ of mandamus to force OBama to obey the law of the land and to define the difference between a "deal" and a "treaty".
But what really needs to happen is for Congress to impeach this lawless shitbag. But that is "off the table".
We have no opposition party and Corker is just a glaring example of that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (wlDny)
How? By performing analingus on him?
Well, I have to. Mitch is all over his dick and Boehner won't get Barry's balls out of his mouth.
Posted by: Sen Corker at April 30, 2015 02:59 PM (b3p08)
The best Far Side cartoon ever:
Jeopardy game - contestants are Einstein, Edison, and Jones
Score: Einstein - 35000, Edison - 29500, Jones - negative 100
Jones: "I realize the game is almost over, but just for the record, I don't think my buzzer was working properly".
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 02:59 PM (ZkzmI)
What fuckups.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 02:59 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 02:59 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 02:59 PM (/Ho8c)
I do, but I'm not going to tell you until you listen to a 47 hour monologue.
Oh, man. I don't think I can do it. How about I promise to work for Rearden Steel instead?
Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 02:59 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Reggie Love at April 30, 2015 02:59 PM (27KAF)
Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 03:00 PM (fLKzW)
When the Stupid party adopted the exact same language as the MFM/Dems against the tea party.
When they rewarded Coke bear for rebelling against the primary result.
When they attacked their own voters to drag Thad Cochran over the line.
When they insisted that voters ignore the doctor in Kansas and instead protect the incumbent who didn't even bother to maintain a mailbox in the state he's supposedly representing.
And after all that, they're repeatedly throwing away the numerical advantage they were suppoedly working toward.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 03:00 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:00 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 30, 2015 03:00 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: Chupacabras at April 30, 2015 03:00 PM (l2max)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (ZkzmI)
they don't think, they know because people who vote GOP really are that fucking retarded
Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2015 03:00 PM (SyKbw)
Posted by: Dave, pantless in Texas at April 30, 2015 03:01 PM (U8sWC)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (/eTPT)
In some ways, culture responds to politics as much as politics responds to culture.
With no politician defending conservative ideas, with the party having abandoned them, it's no wonder the culture has gone so far left and is continuing in that direction. Who is doing anything besides fundraising in the GOP?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (jD6zl)
Posted by: Mickey Lolich at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (/WmRg)
Posted by: WatingForMartel at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (BYSrJ)
Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (qYXyZ)
He really never misses an opportunity to embarrass himself.
Really? So Rubio's basically injecting some perspective, showing the hypocrisy, uncovering the ulterior motives at work and he get's the hate.
Got it.
Look, the buffoons at HA might have a hard on for Rubio-hate. But it's becoming a little tiresome to read bullshit in two places.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 02:56 PM (kff5f)
"Deemed passed" is the gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: John McCain, Card Carring Maverick at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress at April 30, 2015 03:03 PM (KhFZp)
"You'll be hearing from my lawyers, pal." - Lucifer
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:03 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 03:03 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Wind Breaker at April 30, 2015 03:04 PM (/pOl7)
Posted by: mugiwara at April 30, 2015 03:04 PM (D5hxK)
What Todd Akin said was far less repugnant than what the average tumblrite SJW says. Let that sink in.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2015 03:04 PM (jD6zl)
Posted by: Kensington at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (7Kbxu)
Posted by: Sen. Bart Simpson (R) at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Comprehensive POS at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (NUCTk)
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (TV9BR)
I came from a political family. Looking me straight in the eyes and lying to my face was something my father did to me for 40 years until one of his lies cost me 150k and nearly my marriage and I finally said, 'Get the fuck out my house'. Last time I saw him alive.
Didn't even go to his funeral. Politicians don't even see it as lying, but it's a serious pathology.
Posted by: Emotional Protestor at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (xQX/f)
And in the meantime, we'll still get to go to the cool DC cocktail parties.
Posted by: The Dishonorable Sen. Bob Corker at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (cL79m)
They (the GOP politicians and inside the beltway types) are not ideological.
They are political.... but there's no "I want to go to DC because I believe in the Constitution, and I believe in liberty and " whatever fire in their belly.
It's "which party can I run in, based on my current geographic location, that will give me the best shot of winning a seat in DC and getting to be the one filling the trough so that my cronies, donors, and family can get rich from my influence and I can stack up enough chips in the influence and power bank to get fabulously wealthy when I retire?"
That's who they are. They don't give a fuck about their constituents beyond getting their votes and donations. DC isn't about "changing things" to them. Even the ones who may want to change things know they can't do shit.
So they go to get rich and powerful off the backs of the taxpayers. Because fuck it, that's what everyone else in DC and the surrounding areas does, so why not?
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (0DeYj)
Muslim Country -> Yes -> No Treaties, No 'Agreements'
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (27KAF)
Posted by: Accused pederast Harry Reid at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (jD6zl)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (Sd++4)
For me it happened in 2006 when Liz Dole and the RNC pumped in millions to save Linc Chaffee's RINO turncoat arse.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (AkOaV)
Shot: *Googles "analingus"...*
Chaser: http://tinyurl.com/7f324ta
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (dJWs0)
Ron Johnsons amendment to have the Iran deal treated as a treaty for constitutional purposes, which would require two-thirds approval, just as Article II demands, failed miserably two days ago, 39/54.
NAYs
Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Capito (R-WV)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Ernst (R-IA)
Flake (R-AZ)
Hatch (R-UT)
Isakson (R-GA)
McCain (R-AZ)
Perdue (R-GA)
Not Voting
Cruz (R-LCF)
Graham (R-SC)
Rubio (R-FL)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 30, 2015 03:07 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Little Tommy at April 30, 2015 03:07 PM (b3p08)
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (iQIUe)
Note to self: Go long on Kool-Aid futures
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia at April 30, 2015 03:07 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: GOP/e at April 30, 2015 03:07 PM (NUCTk)
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 30, 2015 03:08 PM (AoLFQ)
Downside. No one will have standing to sue.
Sad Trombone: Nuked Israel will be blamed on GOP anyway.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 30, 2015 03:08 PM (qyobn)
I really think they believe they are better than the rest of us. I wonder if Cornyn feels any responsibility for his confirmation vote for Hillary. Those people don't give a shit about us. They'll string the Hillary dog and pony show along so they can send out more "Stop Hillary" emails and donation requests.
Posted by: ryukyu at April 30, 2015 03:08 PM (j29PP)
I am convinced all of these republican senators have been shown their NSA file and told to get in line. Otherwise, I cannot imagine the rationale for what they are currently doing.
Posted by: Eli Cash at April 30, 2015 03:08 PM (a+WIL)
Posted by: Little Tommy's Anus at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (b3p08)
Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (qYXyZ)
Todd Akin, as a sitting congressman, was also the GOP Establishment candidate in the primary. The two people he defeated both were supported by Tea Party factions, but not Akin.
The Republicans can advance a false narrative just as easily as the left. "Akin was a Tea Party candidate" is as accurate as "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot."
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: WatingForMartel at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (BYSrJ)
Life lesson any GOP leader should know by now: The MSM4DNC fucking hates you. Embrace the hate and do the right thing. You will not make friends.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (qyobn)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 30, 2015 03:10 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: GOP Leadership at April 30, 2015 03:10 PM (Lqb+9)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 30, 2015 03:10 PM (dJWs0)
No, as ace said from the beginning, f words are okay, but only when not used superfluously.
Of which I am guilty. Dropping those f bombs like it's 1999.
Working on it though.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:10 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 03:10 PM (Sd++4)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:10 PM (dJWs0)
Senate shitweasels, on the other hand...
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (0DeYj)
Really?
Posted by: Zombie Ron Brown at April 30, 2015 03:10 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Axeman at April 30, 2015 03:11 PM (2mC6G)
Posted by: @JohnTant` at April 30, 2015 03:11 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 03:11 PM (fLKzW)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:11 PM (Wv9Ra)
Posted by: Chupacabras at April 30, 2015 03:11 PM (5npD/)
Posted by: Dave, pantless in Texas at April 30, 2015 03:11 PM (U8sWC)
Posted by: The Barrel at April 30, 2015 03:11 PM (cL79m)
nope
Posted by: elastic exercise band at April 30, 2015 03:11 PM (/eTPT)
The GOP as a party looks to hold majorities only to the extent that it gives them committee chairs who attract larger checks from lobbyists. The GOP as individual members merely look for the greatest number of bribes they can collect. Actual legislation or constitutional rights are meaningless to them unless there is a payoff to their bank account involved.
Am I saying that virtually every member of congress is accepting bribes? Damn right I am - that is their whole purpose in being in DC.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (ZkzmI)
I know I'm going to get heat for this but Team Obama stated loudly and repeatedly around the beginning of the year that this was NOT a treaty and he therefore did not need Congressional review.
I ask again, given Obama's track record, why would anyone think he would go to Congress with this instead of just signing an EO?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Explosive Diarrhea at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (TV9BR)
Chaser: http://tinyurl.com/7f324ta"
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And there's our nominee...
Posted by: Kensington at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (7Kbxu)
Do they though?
I mean, they pretend to hate each other, yet they all sit around drinking cocktails at the same WH correspondents dinner after parties. And "charity" events. And "small intimate gatherings".
And then we have Boehner and co coming out saying, "hey guys... Clintons are good people."
I'm just saying, I think the media and Dem hate for the GOPe is... exaggerated for effect.
Just like the GOPe's dislike for Obama and his policies is much more... words then actions
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (AkOaV)
Of which I am guilty. Dropping those f bombs like it's 1999.
Working on it though.
I thought it had something to do with attracting classier advertisers, or some such thing. Oh well, bombs away!
Posted by: Wind Breaker at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (/pOl7)
Only I want to break shit and steal big screen TV's and tennis shoes too.
I'm going to check that family tree thing one more time to see if this isn't hereditary.
Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (AkOaV)
And Ron Johnson is right
Posted by: Howard Johnson at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (/eTPT)
And believe me, he's got 'em all!
------
I knew an honest lawyer. He quit the lawyerin' this year and now works as a roofer. He's much happier.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:13 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 30, 2015 03:13 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 03:13 PM (TPjwz)
Posted by: The Hillary at April 30, 2015 03:13 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Chupacabras at April 30, 2015 03:13 PM (5npD/)
hillary clinton is very beatable and republicans will fuck it up with this shit.if they don't defeat this i will vote a straightdemocratic ticketfor inthe next election.
Posted by: kj at April 30, 2015 03:13 PM (lKyWE)
The Republicans can advance a false narrative just as easily as the left. "Akin was a Tea Party candidate" is as accurate as "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot."
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (O7MnT)
Ahem - Akin was the third wheel, supported by Huck-and-Shuck. The Missouri GOP establishment wanted him out at least as badly as the Palin wing.
Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (cL79m)
Correct. Dem and GOP pols only go to DC to get rich.
Call it bribes, or "favors" or um... whatever.
But that's the point of becoming a politician.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (AkOaV)
Is the data recoverable?
Posted by: HRC at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (xQX/f)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (qyobn)
it's not puzzling, they know that people are too stupid to change their voting habits no matter how many times they fall for lip service
Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (SyKbw)
Posted by: The GOPe at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: mynewhandle
Until they run against a dem, like McCain in 2008. he was their darling maverick rethuglickkkkkkkkan before that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (Spluw)
And there go Rubio and Cruz not showing up for important votes again. Fuck those two guys in particular.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (Rxqe9)
Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2015 03:15 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 03:15 PM (Sd++4)
it's like when you get a really bad cold.
Super Flu ously.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:15 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:15 PM (sgrzZ)
Who is fvcking monkeys at the zoo?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:15 PM (Wv9Ra)
Posted by: Chupacabras at April 30, 2015 03:15 PM (5npD/)
Definitely. Just be sure to run it by a few big magnets first.
Helps with the hard drives chakra.
Ask AlGore, he can explain how that works.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:16 PM (AkOaV)
drive from my home server, then inadvertently ran over it with a large
armored plated vehicle, then tried to open it up to check if it was
okay, and all I could find was a ball peen hammer.
Is the data recoverable?
Sorry Dear, you need a big fucking magnet to remove that data. It's still there. Tell you what, bring it on over and we'll take care of it for you.
Posted by: Wind Breaker at April 30, 2015 03:16 PM (/pOl7)
It will be extremely racist (apologies in advance to our 'Moronos'). And funny, and true.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 03:16 PM (Rxqe9)
And there go Rubio and Cruz not showing up for important votes again. Fuck those two guys in particular.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (Rxqe9)
IIRC, Ernst was Establishment all the way.
Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 03:16 PM (cL79m)
Do you want to know why the GOP never actually follows through with their campaign promises? There's no financial payoff for them.
The dems campaign on handing out more taxpayer dollars to every constituent group, then get kickbacks from the groups and a couple of family members or legacies on the payroll. All the GOP can do is cut taxes, if there are actual spending cuts, their bribe channels are narrowed.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 03:16 PM (ZkzmI)
Did you really say "peen?"
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 03:16 PM (TPjwz)
"Superfluous" unnecessary, especially through being more than enough
"-ly" is a suffix which changes an adjective to an adverb.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 03:17 PM (kff5f)
This place's center is not holding.
Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 03:17 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (g1DWB)
Oh sure, try using that Jedi mind-stuff! Well let me tell you that it doesn't work on me!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:17 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: eleven at April 30, 2015 03:17 PM (IPzoI)
Posted by: blaster at April 30, 2015 03:17 PM (kGsA2)
Posted by: Matt Yglesias at April 30, 2015 03:17 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: blaster at April 30, 2015 03:17 PM (kGsA2)
Or you can "deem" it done.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (dJWs0)
Stop. Fucking. Lying. To. My. Face. And. Then. Get. Mad. When. I. Point. That. Out.
Seriously. No, seriously. It's SJW levels of pathetic bitchery to tell me that I'm the one who is a childish and just doesn't understand how things work when I get righteously furious about the face lying.
Yeah. Because, you know, nothing says mature, reasonable adult like supporting the utter abdication of Constitutional checks and balances on the Executive. So adult. Much mature.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (MYPM9)
There could be, if they just un-strangle business and energy in this country.
Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (FcR7P)
You don't need to pass a law to tell Congress and the President to follow the supreme law of the land.
The constitution says you need 2/3s of the senate for any treaty.
Obama said "f that."
No senate resolution is going to change that. Obama announced his plan to ignore the constitution.
If the R's were as upset as they pretend to be, they'd say "fine, do whatever you want Obama. But this is not a treaty, its not worth the paper its (not) written on, you are not negotiating in good faith on behalf of the American people, and we will shut down the government for the next year and a half if you try to illegal unilaterally lift sanctions that Congress instituted."
But they're not, so they just pretend.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:19 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Matt Yglesias
Speaking of which....
As often as Klein and Yglesias are embarrassingly wrong - and yet keep writing - does anyone know the name of the drug they take that removes all sense of shame?
Gotta get me summa dat
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:19 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 03:19 PM (TPjwz)
Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (MYPM9)
We deem you haven't, and our guns are bigger and more numerous than yours.
Posted by: The IRS at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Gen J. RIpper at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: eleven at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (IPzoI)
Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (NHtMs)
Speaker Boehner and House Republicans are suing President Obama for his unconstitutional overreach and abuse of power.
This Imperial President's unprecedented disregard for the Constitution and desire for more power has reached a new low.
Obama has ignored and selectively enforced the law. And he has repeatedly created new laws unilaterally. It's unconstitutional - it must be stopped.
President Obama has:
Unconstitutionally made radical changes to ObamaCare
Unconstitutionally forced through job killing new EPA regulations on the American people
Unconstitutionally increased what taxpayers pay to federal contractors
Unconstitutionally waived the statutory work requirements for welfare
Unconstitutionally created bureaucratic programs not authorized by Congress
It's time we stand up to President Obama-and it's time we stop his total disregard for the Constitution and rule of law.
The U.S. Constitution outright declares that the President "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed." Yet, President Obama has not.
That is why House Republicans are launching a lawsuit against President Obama. And we need you by our side.
Add your name today in support of House Republicans' lawsuit against President Obama.
Thank you,
Chuck DeFeo
RNC Deputy Chief of Staff
Posted by: real emails from your GOP at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (NUCTk)
Posted by: BHO at April 30, 2015 03:21 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Gen J. RIpper at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (/eTPT)
And get me some grain alcohol.
Posted by: Gen. Jack D. Ripper at April 30, 2015 03:21 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (dJWs0)
Cool, I deem my dissertation done. Maybe then I can get my happy life back
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:21 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: The Left at April 30, 2015 03:21 PM (/eTPT)
Chuck DeFeo
RNC Deputy Chief of Staff
Sure is, Chuck.
What's stopping you?
Posted by: The Entire Moron Horde at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (dJWs0)
Tequila.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (Wv9Ra)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (AkOaV)
Power
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (sgrzZ)
he must have really shanked the drive
Posted by: The Left at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:21 PM (HDwDg)
I deem your wife a Burkean conservative.
::: looks around :::
Nope. Didn't work.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (dJWs0)
What's stopping you?
Posted by: The Entire Moron Horde at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (dJWs0)
On behalf of the Horde, I'm dropping the mic.
Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: The roost aint what it used to be at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (7GI9v)
JackStraw: Of course he would just issue an EO and I guess that's my point: We can't stop him from stupid and harmful executive orders (with these congress critters, anyway), but we sure as damn hell don't have to help him do it by taking some shit-show, smoke screen vote that just convolutes the issue and gives him cover without forcing him to use an EO on his own and without having an up/down vote on the "treaty".
Posted by: Eli Cash at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (a+WIL)
Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (qYXyZ)
"Superfluous" unnecessary, especially through being more than enough
"-ly" is a suffix which changes an adjective to an adverb.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon
So in other words, the construction of "superfluously" is, inf act, superfluous?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (DT3rQ)
They are terrified, terrified beyond reason, of being called "racist."
That's why they never stand up to Obama. "Why, why, he's black!!! Can't you see that? We cannot vote against a black man!!!"
They'll lose, and lose big, in 2016. Won't get fooled again.
Posted by: Null at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (xjpRj)
The Republicans can advance a false narrative just as easily as the left. "Akin was a Tea Party candidate" is as accurate as "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot."
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (O7MnT)
Ahem - Akin was the third wheel, supported by Huck-and-Shuck. The Missouri GOP establishment wanted him out at least as badly as the Palin wing.
Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (cL79m)
There is truth in that. But notice how often he gets painted as a tea party candidate and never questioned. Oh but once you call him an establishment stooge they are very quick to play the "well he wasn't really either" game. And then the next day they'll be back to calling him tea party.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (z/Ubi)
With all due respect to ace, it's really not that insane. This bill, which is really the Menendez/Corker bill, was designed to force Obama to bring any proposed Iran deal to Congress because Obama had said he wouldn't.
Now is this a good bill? Doesn't appear to be from what I've seen but if Obama does sign it then he will at least have to go to Congress with the deal.
And if you don't think he would have just done it unilaterally without being forced then I've got some immigration and education laws to sell you.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (Wv9Ra)
Gotta get me summa dat.
Which reminds me....the in-laws are coming in tomorrow for a week.
Moar tequila!!!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (dJWs0)
And there go Rubio and Cruz not showing up for important votes again. Fuck those two guys in particular.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (Rxqe9)
I am really starting to think that we are being played by Cruz.
Posted by: rickl at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (msAGT)
oh, please.
"launching a lawsuit." yeah. what ever happened to that lawsuit Boehner was super cereal about launching a year ago?
The house as two remedies:
impeachment
controlling the purse strings (so, likely, government shutdown).
Anything else is a lie to get your money and votes.
And we know both those options are off the table.
So stop insulting us.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (MYPM9)
We deem you haven't, and our guns are bigger and more numerous than yours.
Posted by: The IRS
------
We deem you have illegally stripped our client of due process and are investigating him solely based on his political activities.
Let us now both rob our client blind and then, in two years, declare him innocent of all wrongdoing.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Tax Lawyers at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (MYPM9)
Which reminds me....the in-laws are coming in tomorrow for a week.
Moar tequila!!!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (dJWs0)
There is never enough for that.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (dJWs0)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQrbd0VWxBU
Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (2Ojst)
I've felt that way about Cruz for a little while.
He seems a little... I don't know. I can't put my finger on it.
But I know there are people I respect who are all on board the Cruz train, so... I guess we'll have to see.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (sgrzZ)
My MIL is a gem.
My FIL....small doses are best, shall we say.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (dJWs0)
I've gotten her to "I'm glad we go Sophie Baptized" and "Why the fuck would I vote for a Clinton?"
I'll take that as a sign of progress
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (HDwDg)
---
socialism, the opiate of the elitists
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (/eTPT)
How? HOW? The last election confirmed the 47% statement. He was dead on the money. He's into analytics. He's a numbers guy. He knows where the meat is on the bone and where it isn't.
My only disagreement is that the number is so low. I wouldn't say 47. I'd say 55.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at April 30, 2015 03:26 PM (RLFFI)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:19 PM (AkOaV)
----------------------------------------------------
I going to be bold as to say that this agreement (treaty?) isn't worth the paper it's printed on no matter what the congress or the preezy do.
Iran is the strong horse. They'll do what they want.
Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2015 03:26 PM (/HX7u)
I'll take that as a sign of progress
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (HDwDg)
Well, as long as she doesn't "debate" like dKos, that's also a good thing.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:26 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: Eli Cash at April 30, 2015 03:08 PM (a+WIL)
Because they are on that side and are just lying about it.
Posted by: Occam's Razor at April 30, 2015 03:27 PM (Lqb+9)
I remember when Dean and I were done. What a magnificent young boy.
Oh, you said "deem''. Eyes aren't what they used to be. Damn
Posted by: Hairy Reid at April 30, 2015 03:27 PM (xQX/f)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell, Conservative Superhero With Mad Politickin' Skillz at April 30, 2015 03:27 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 03:27 PM (dBm7S)
__
[b[Hey guys, remember how you got all mad about Obamacare and then voted for Mitt Romney in 2012?
Yeah, we don't believe you.
Posted by: The GOPe at April 30, 2015 03:27 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 03:27 PM (7ObY1)
My FIL....small doses are best, shall we say.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (dJWs0)
Lol, my MIL last time she was here asked my why in the world I put up with my wife's (HER daughter) shit.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 03:27 PM (dBm7S)
Get your form letter back yet?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: John Kerry at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (MYPM9)
All of this.
Sorry, JackStraw, I disagree with you. This bill is not merely "superfluous" (which has apparently become the Word Of The Day), it is actively damaging to the Constitution.
If Obama issues an EO, it has no force once he's out of office. Which is exactly what Republicans said weeks ago.
If the Republicans are really upset about it, they can shut the f*cker down because they control the purse strings. No money is spent and no taxes are raised without their say-so.
If they're really *really* upset, they can impeach him.
But this is bukkake theater. The point is not to stop Obama from doing a damn thing, it's to pretend they tried.
Fuck that. Either oppose him, or support him. But be honest about it so I can make an honest decision about opposing or supporting *you.*
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell, Conservative Superhero With Mad Politickin' Skillz at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (63yKp)
I quit when they wanted me to switch to bass. I didn't have the calluses.
Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN)
For Polly
http://tinyurl.com/8rn8jzu
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (sgrzZ)
She's firmly in two overlapping camps right now:
1) Why do I give a damn
2) Why isn't your dissertation done, get your ass back up stairs now before I start screaming and get the fuck to work.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (HDwDg)
47% was the number of people in 2012 who were not paying income taxes.
Not to beat this dead horse anymore, but all Romney said was "we're not going to sell a message of tax cuts to the 47% of the country who do not pay income taxes. They are takers, not makers, when its to be tax season."
Which is inarguably true.
His phrasing (I paraphrased, it was more awkward then that) was a little shitty, but mittbott 2012 and his "severely conservative" programming often had awkward rhetorical missteps. Not a big deal.
Media made it a narrative.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (AkOaV)
That's valid. But I'm not nearly as convinced as some that if Obama comes back with a really shitty deal, he will, that a lot of Dems won't object. Menendez is the most vocal but not the only Dem who doesn't like this deal.
And at least there is a shot this way. Otherwise, we were guaranteed to have Obama give Iran whatever they wanted.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:30 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Ace at 02:48 PM
Uhh....Yeah we will. Why is this time any different? Is this the time we march on DC with arms? If not, then we will by all means continue to be lied to. Because there is absolutely nothing short of bearing arms against them and physically throwing them out of power that will cause these people to stop lying to us.
Posted by: Sambo at April 30, 2015 03:30 PM (OBy6g)
Posted by: Rich at April 30, 2015 03:30 PM (BcWH9)
Let us now both rob our client blind and then, in two years, declare him innocent of all wrongdoing.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Tax Lawyers at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (MYPM9)
We'll give you 40% and Mr. Ferguson will get a suspended felony conviction so he doesn't have to spend any time in Club Fed but can't ever be armed again.
Posted by: The IRS at April 30, 2015 03:31 PM (cL79m)
***
Exhibit 1A on how the Republicans don't want to control Obama - no separate spending bills.
It is so farking simple. But together non-controversial spending bills for the departments you want to fund.
Work on them sequentially.
Then at the end you get to where you disagree with Obama - let him veto a spending bill for HUD or HHS. Ok fine, instead of some money you get no money. Have a nice year.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2015 03:31 PM (78TbK)
Now is this a good bill? Doesn't appear to be from what I've seen but if Obama does sign it then he will at least have to go to Congress with the deal.
--------
Why? Because he's shown such respect for congress and the law previously?
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 03:31 PM (z/Ubi)
Polly would like a tiger.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN)
*rummages*
Lemme see....lemme see...
Tern, white-winged
Tern, white-winged black
Thirteen-lined squirrel
Thomson's gazelle
Thrasher, curve-billed
Three-banded plover
Tiger cat
Tiger snake
Timber wolf
Ah! There it is!
Tiger, Bengal
Here you go, my queen.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:31 PM (dJWs0)
::raises hand::
that describes me in 2014.
I sat out 2008, because fuck mccain (well, not entirely accurate. I voted downticket, then voted for bob barr or whoever the libertarian was as a throwaway vote).
I donated, volunteered, worked my ass off, and voted in 2010. Was backstabbed.
I gritted my teeth and voted for Romney the ass hat in 2012.
And I did absolutely nothing for 2014, because fuck the GOP. And it felt great to sit it out.
Because I'm done with being played like a fool.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:32 PM (AkOaV)
Perhaps...triggering? Maybe bad memories? Pre-Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder?
Please fill out the investigation forms, and we'll have the Department of Kulakization see to this "Ace" character.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:32 PM (hLRSq)
The Omnibus budget was probably the last nail in the coffin of this country.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:32 PM (HDwDg)
Also, use the MOAB next time. Anything smaller leaves survivors.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at April 30, 2015 03:32 PM (DT3rQ)
This is a job for PANDER BEAR POWER.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:32 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (Wv9Ra)
12 Rs voted Tuesday to further decrease Senate power- Ernst was a surprise & so was Purdue. Rest were usual suspects, including Corker.
Ace,
Levin named them on show & it was on The Right Scoop yesterday & I put on Twitter & they held another vote yesterday & 8 republicans voted for it. Levin also named & I put on Twitter yesterday.
Senate is acting like Reid is running it & not that jerk,McConnell!
I was livid last night!
Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (l3vZN)
***
I didn't vote for Mitt Ronmneycare and I won't vote for another member of the GOPe.
If the GOP wants my vote they are going to have to earn it.
Because I don't give a fark if the choice is a corporatist Bush vs a corporatist Clinton.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (78TbK)
They certainly COULD do that, but why WOULD they?
They don't give a shit what Obama does as long as their personal little fiefdoms of power, corruption and money don't get interrupted.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN)
Tiger would like a Polly.
Posted by: The OKC Tiger at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Tree of Liberty at April 30, 2015 03:34 PM (LISuA)
Now if you would be so kind as to beset the Ravage on wrg500 for whatever that link is because there is no way I am clicking that.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:34 PM (mf5HN)
BALTIMORE, Md. (WJLA) -- An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers, according to multiple law enforcement sources.
The sources spoke to ABC7 News after being briefed on the findings of a police report tuned over to prosecutors on Thursday as well as preliminary findings made by the medical examiner's office.
Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.
Details surrounding exactly what caused Gray to slam into the back of the van was unclear. The officer driving the van has yet to give a statement to authorities. It’s also unclear whether Gray’s head injury was voluntary or was result of some other action.
http://goo.gl/WQtPy3
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 03:34 PM (iQIUe)
1) Why do I give a damn
2) Why isn't your dissertation done, get your ass back up stairs now before I start screaming and get the fuck to work.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (HDwDg)
*fist bump*
I am so glad those days are done. Wife passed the EPPP exam last Tuesday night. That was the last hurdle.
She got the PhD last August, but couldn't walk across the stage until the Spring. I'm making her go to the ceremony next Saturday.
I earned that much.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:34 PM (dJWs0)
*pinches cheek*
You're so adorable..
Posted by: The MFM at April 30, 2015 03:34 PM (0HooB)
LOL, chicken.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (sgrzZ)
Yeah, my in laws are like second parents to me, I get along with them great. Even if they are liberals. (well, not legally in laws. But my girlfriend of 5+ years' parents).
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (iQIUe)
And besides, she makes some good, um, points:
http://tinyurl.com/p3e7dgx
Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (7ObY1)
Allen-
Virtually every projection I have seen says Iran is less than 1 year from break out. Obama won't be out of office for 20 months.
It will be pointless to cancel the EO after the nuclear horse has left the barn.
We all know they aren't going to impeach Obama. There is no money to cut off on this one. I don't like the looks of this particular deal but maybe, maybe, they will be able to kill this thing now that Obama has admitted he needs Congressional review.
If not, we not only get a nuclear Iran we get an arms race in the middle east.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (g1DWB)
Joni Ernst sucks.
Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (sj3Ax)
but why would they nuke their best allies?
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 03:36 PM (044Yr)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (Wv9Ra)
I'm training him.
I now got him to the point where there are no "ha! ha!" passive-agressive gibes coming my way.
"Lemme tell ya Dad. If you want to say something to me, be a fucking man. Say it to my face and then mean it."
So....that went well last Thanksgiving.
He's better now.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:36 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at April 30, 2015 03:36 PM (RLFFI)
Posted by: DanMan at April 30, 2015 03:36 PM (RusNE)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN)
Would you like a case of tiger chow? I can have it sent express at no extra charge.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:37 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:37 PM (MYPM9)
I have an ultimatum from her: "Substantial progress by the end of the year of leave the program." (Somewhat ironically "get a job" is not in that ultimatum because: Stay at home dad for now.)
I took this ultimatum to my mentor who said "yeah, sounds about right, get me a draft of the dissertation by the end of the year or you should probably find other things to do."
So now I work furiously on pumping out as much as possible as fast as possible to get to my mentor. (Today is a lit search day.)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:37 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Eli Cash at April 30, 2015 03:37 PM (a+WIL)
Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 03:37 PM (sj3Ax)
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I expect secession would be more likely to succeed than thinking Repubs could by any means be made to stop lying to us.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 30, 2015 03:37 PM (xkSSa)
It will be pointless to cancel the EO after the nuclear horse has left the barn.
We all know they aren't going to impeach Obama. There is no money to cut off on this one. I don't like the looks of this particular deal but maybe, maybe, they will be able to kill this thing now that Obama has admitted he needs Congressional review.
If not, we not only get a nuclear Iran we get an arms race in the middle east.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (g1DWB)
Not to mention the current US intel community assessment is break-out in 2-3 months. Given there aren't inspections going on while the talks are continuing, I somehow suspect that the June 30 agreement itself will be too late.
Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 03:38 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:38 PM (Wv9Ra)
2. We don't accept the findings of the inquiry so we're gonna riot!
3. You know what, we just wanna riot and steal free stuff. Fuck you, racist.
Posted by: Protesters Everywhere at April 30, 2015 03:38 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Blah oh at April 30, 2015 03:38 PM (4lR8S)
Please.
He wouldn't agree to this unless Reid and McConnell promised him he'd have the votes to pass it.
Clearly the two of them couldnt get 67 votes, which is why they did this kabuki ridicuousness.
So they've promised to give Obama a fig leaf on Iran by coming up with 34 votes. That's already signed sealed and delivered.
If for some reason they can't get the 34 votes, Obama will simply "deem" it as passed, and we shall move on.
This R bill is designed to give Obama COVER not to challenge him at all.
Probably payback for amnesty -- Obama gave the R's cover by not forcing them to vote for (what the donors want) or against (what the voters want) amnesty by just EO'ing it in to place.
Now, Congress will help O out of a tough situation.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:39 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Blah oh at April 30, 2015 03:38 PM (4lR8S)
The 98th of Never.
Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 03:39 PM (cL79m)
1. slip multiple Beach Body ads into the bill
2. demand the bill not be passed because it is full of sexism! Bonus move if get SJW attack dogs to take the bait and go nuts on Twitter
3. sit back and watch GOP crumble because the #2 goal of the GOP (after preserving their power at #1) is to not allow the GOP to have a hint of ever resembling a bad guy, ever. Aka, Profit!
You're welcome, no need to thank me.
Posted by: LizLem at April 30, 2015 03:39 PM (yRwC8)
Wouldn't surprise me.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:39 PM (g1DWB)
Allow me to direct attention to Andrew Branca's article today over on Legal Insurrection:
http://tinyurl.com/jvns6hz
Short version: A grave spinal injury could well have been unintentionally inflicted during the arrest, which went undetected until it started causing spasms and seizures in the van, thus accounting for the other passenger's account of what happened. Which is still potentially civilly liable even if the arrest was righteous.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at April 30, 2015 03:39 PM (DT3rQ)
http://tinyurl.com/m5buhm3
Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 03:40 PM (sj3Ax)
From July till the end of September
Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 03:40 PM (7ObY1)
I don't mean this in a funny Kindergarden Cop kind of vibe, but seriously, all it does is change the sanctions as I understand it. Which, as I further understand it, is not legal since the law requires sanctions. So basically congress doesn't have to do anything to block this except insist the president obey the law.
Am I missing something, here?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 30, 2015 03:40 PM (39g3+)
You are a great American.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (g1DWB)
It's failure theater. You can rationalize it all you want, but that's all it is.
Let's say this bill passes. What happens next? Does TFG sign it? No. So now they have to override the veto. Good f*cking luck.
Or he does sign it. Do you think there *won't* be 34 votes to block the Senate's block?
So, if Iran is only 12 mos away from a nuke, we're screwed anyway (unless Israel does something). Nothing is going to change that. Not this bill. Not 1,000 bills.
It's not my fault the Republicans took impeachment off the table. It's not my fault they won't play hard-ball with the budget (there is always money involved, if nothing else the Republicans could threaten something the Democrats want).
But once they have taken those off the table, they don't get to tell me how they're really, really angry that the SCOAMT is running roughshod over the Constitution.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 03:41 PM (kff5f)
Could you train my inlaws to act less like teenagers and more like adults?
I'd settle for my FIL realizing that he doesn't always have to a) be right or b) rub into his wife with the Traumatic brain injury and memory problems that he was right.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:41 PM (HDwDg)
*ponders*
Not that it is something difficult to achieve with that crew, mind you.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:42 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Iran at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:41 PM (HDwDg)
My FIL has the Peter Pan Syndrome.
Or, as Dr Bannion has informed me, "Learned helplessness."
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (dJWs0)
So anything is possible..
Posted by: Mickey Lolich
_____________________
Hi Mickey.
Posted by: Bill Freehan at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (ucDmr)
It is nothing but treachery.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (JgC5a)
*ponders*
Not that it is something difficult to achieve with that crew, mind you.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:42 PM (hLRSq)
I'm not so sure at the moment that his legacy won't be a flood of blood letting in the U.S.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (dBm7S)
Posted by: goon at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (A53Jp)
So why is Tom Cotton supporting it? Did he become an Obama lapdog overnight?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (g1DWB)
Oh, you bet.
Ace, first off, might want to proof read that, again.
"...when they're actually voting
The "Dare I" part.
It sounds like they are conspiring against US. You do everything but come right out and say it.
I guess because only mentally deficient idiots who have to find someone else to blame for their lack of success ever buy into any conspiracies.
Right?
Posted by: teej at April 30, 2015 03:45 PM (IF7/S)
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I'm so proud of my student.
Posted by: Bill Ayers at April 30, 2015 03:45 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (sgrzZ)
That's possible, but I am going with the stuff that is definite.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:45 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:45 PM (MYPM9)
well go work on your nerd stuff, then.
dont let us keep you from doing important shit.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (dJWs0)
Yeah we have to occasionally take calls to mediate fights between them. I don't necessarily hold MIL responsible (she is, officially speaking, crazy. I do not use that term loosely, shrinks, meds, etc.)
FIL needs to drop his need to rub in the mistakes.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (HDwDg)
The "whores of hell" just called, also. They wish to file a defamation lawsuit. They despise being compared to Congressmen.
Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (msAGT)
Love each other...
Posted by: teej at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (IF7/S)
Can't even count on the conservatives we do have in the House to stop it because its a senate thing.
Its a Senate Thing - Screwing the Conservatives Up the Cornhole Since Ever (tm)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (044Yr)
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Bah, that's not it at all.
We are conspiring for our personal financial benefit. Acting against the American interest isn't the intent at all...its just a bonus.
Posted by: The GOPe at April 30, 2015 03:47 PM (78TbK)
I have no idea why he's supporting it. Ask him.
Probably offered him a highway with his name on it. Maybe a post office.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:47 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:45 PM (MYPM9)
Submit the Alextopia Standard Form 2765-69 and in Block 11 cross out "Pizza" and write in "liger"
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:47 PM (dJWs0)
dont let us keep you from doing important shit.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (AkOaV)
I've automated some of the lit search actions. I drop in between articles to keep myself awake.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:47 PM (HDwDg)
I have used that MASH reference before.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:48 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (dBm7S)
Thank you for expressing your concern. I agree that the Constitution should be upheld. I will continue to strive to defend that fine instrument of the Repulic.
Thanks again for your support.
Posted by: Generic Congresscritter Reply Email at April 30, 2015 03:48 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 30, 2015 03:48 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: The GOPe of Castle Anthrax at April 30, 2015 03:48 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:48 PM (HDwDg)
On MASH it's "Block J"
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:48 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: JackStraw
no one wants to do what's required to stop iran. obama is smart enough, and the MFM is craven enough, to create and float a POS. If the Stupid party stops it, or even delays it, there's the chance that when ( not if) Iran goes nuclear, the blame is on the GOP for preventing dear leader from working his magic.
If the POS passes, then the GOP voted in favor of it.
In a very sad way, we'd be better off with the EO/deal/pen and a phone horseshit.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (Sd++4)
The Corker-Menendez bill allows Congress to actually SEE the agreement and pause it's implementation for 30 days, 82 days at most. If a few Democrat Senators hate the agreement after they read it... TA-DA, there's the veto-proof majority to forbid the agreement in a separate bill.
This bill also forces the White House to report on compliance every 90 days.
This bill gives an outside chance, but without it, we get a secret, terrible agreement between Obama and Iran.
Posted by: theCork at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (hbAdE)
Posted by: Sean Bannion
What's this 'triplicate' shit? I'm just going to steal one.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson, heading to Baltimore at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (0LHZx)
Its a Senate Thing - Screwing the Conservatives Up the Cornhole Since Ever (tm)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (ODxAs)
You give us too little credit. For us, it's about taking some faux power where the Constitution decrees we don't have even that.
Posted by: House PRL at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (044Yr)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson, heading to Baltimore at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (MYPM9)
Careful, the RPs are out in force tonight.
They're like MPs only....worse.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (dJWs0)
Could be.
Or he didnt realize he was injured and was flailing around to be a jackass, like half the suspects on Cops do.
There's a reason they immobilize neck injuries and tell you not to move someone who has a neck injury. Sometimes no one can tell theres an injury until a minor injury turns in to a major injury by moving the neck and snapping shit (ugh gross)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (AkOaV)
Well...does she know about the estrogen treatments yet?
Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (FcR7P)
>>Probably offered him a highway with his name on it. Maybe a post office.
Right. The guy who authored the letter to the Supreme Leader of Iran telling him that Obama couldn't go it alone changed his mind over a highway naming.
As it happens, I don't have to ask him because he has already said. It's not much of a deal but its better than nothing. Sure, they could have written a tougher bill and Obama would have vetoed it and done it on his own. Now that is failure theater.
If the alternative is Obama doing a deal with zero Congressional input I'll take this bill as shitty as it may be.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (g1DWB)
Just, you know, askin'.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (mf5HN)
In visible or invisible ink?
Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 03:51 PM (cL79m)
SHit blogMan, that's all you Had to SAY.
In fact you could say it for any politician.
Posted by: Julius with brains in his Fro at April 30, 2015 03:51 PM (JOFI1)
foreign policy "experts" probably have them convinced its not a bad move on Obamas part, but they don't want to deal with trying to convince the base.
And again, I don't think they give a shit at the end of the day.
"Does Iran getting nukes effect my little fiefdom of power, money, corruption, donors, cronies, etc.? No? Okay, then why am I supposed to give a shit?"
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (AkOaV)
Your eyes and ears are not lying to you.
The GOP is lying to you.
Posted by: eman at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (HtP73)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson, heading to Baltimore at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (MYPM9)
The proper phrase is "moonlight requisition".
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (hLRSq)
Obama says he doesn't need Congress. That this "treaty" falls under the UN anti-proliferation treaty already in place.
So, he's gonna tell Congress to go fuck themselves anyway.
Doesn't Congress need a bill saying - "oh no you don't, Barack.. you need to get it approved here first!" ???
And when you say "2. Then, you vote against the treaty."
Ok. But doesn't Obama get to veto that?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (so+oy)
i'm guessing they know iran already has a bomb
Posted by: kj at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson, heading to Baltimore at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (MYPM9)
Sure, you do that. There's no possible way that can go wrong.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (mf5HN)
Obstructionist on a stupid Iran treaty? Trust me, even the liberals won't give you a hard time on this one.
The only motivation I can get is that they don't want mean things said about them in the New York Times.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 03:53 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: theCork at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (hbAdE)
_________
Oh good. A report. Phew, and here I was worried.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:53 PM (0LHZx)
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Posted by: Mossad at April 30, 2015 03:53 PM (NUCTk)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (dBm7S)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell, Conservative Superhero With Mad Politickin' Skillz at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (8ZskC)
The guy who posted an open letter on a senate webpage you mean.
A meaningless gesture that probably took his staff a few hours to put together.
To get some leverage.
And pretend to be "standing tough" for the stupid voters back at home in the hinterlands.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (AkOaV)
not much I can add
Posted by: some guy at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (q177U)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (mf5HN)
If you get enough 'guests' you won't have to buy any tiger chow.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (hLRSq)
Dondi is also still playing the same deal.
Walker's already been gotten too. They're reframing the demand that illegal immigration be stopped by securing the border by calling for security for workers's wages. Not stopping illegals but somehow making them not affect worker's wages.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Meanwhile they'll still be coming across the border and all the protections in the world aren't going to stop them from depressing the wages offered.
It's how the economy works.
But Walker already found out he can't say that if he wants to get anywhere so he's hiding his true plans behind b.s.
They're all not worth a fart in an aqua lung.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
Pick me up an ocelot!
Posted by: Sterling Archer at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (MYPM9)
I think they just don't give a shit and look at it as a distraction from their real mission in DC, which is to get rich and powerful.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:55 PM (AkOaV)
Also it's "cross out machine gun" which makes it better.
OK baby feeding time.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:55 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Blah oh at April 30, 2015 03:55 PM (4lR8S)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at April 30, 2015 03:55 PM (QCm6g)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 03:56 PM (nb5QL)
"Analingus." The official airline of Irish Homos?
If only we could raise Hell like the THUGS in Baltimore do.
Oh well. At least with Schumer and Gillibrand, I know what I got straight up. But Tennessee? What gives, people?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 03:56 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Frogger McGhee at April 30, 2015 03:56 PM (tDemh)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (zRby/)
___________
Afterwards, they will also try their best to stop the affect of gravity on heavy objects.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:56 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:57 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: mynewhandle
This.
Doing the right thing has terrible downsides, and no reward. And they are craven. And most of the LIVs don't know, care, or care to know.
We'd be bombing sites for months, with scant way of verifying what we're doing, while every asshole is howling about orphanges or whatever. We eould need to seucre every area and inspect and probably seize everything.
This was done in Iraq, and look at what was required to do that. Kaddafi actually coughed up his program, to avoid tjust that.
No one believes that we'll do it again. As I predicted, JEF fucked up Libya. And it was far weaker and easier.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 03:57 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Frogger McGhee at April 30, 2015 03:56 PM (tDemh)
Faces, Feces. Meh, same difference.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 03:57 PM (St6BJ)
So who do I complain to? Governor Moonbeam?
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 03:57 PM (nb5QL)
The constitution says any treaty requires the President signature and 2/3 of the Senate.
This "bill" they're passing flips that on its head. Now they need the presidents signature and 2/3 of the senate to DISAPPROVE of the bill.
So if they had done NOTHING, they'd be all set legally.
Also, I don't think its constitutional to do what they are doing by flipping the requirements for a treaty but who gives a shit.
Its also not constitutional to outsource one of their 22 enumerated powers (money supply) to the federal reserve, but no one seems to care about that either.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:57 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 03:57 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Hey, I did my part. I can't 'splain how we elected a pair a sh*tweasels, though.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (/Ho8c)
Iranian assets will be freed up. Maybe hundreds of billions. GOP beaks
are ready to dip in to those, the same as the Dems.
It is nothing but treachery.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (JgC5a)
Sure glad we have those insider trading protections built into the yellowcake, so to speak!
Posted by: Congressional Scum at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Your GOP on truth serum at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (NUCTk)
Posted by: Your GOP on truth serum at April 30, 2015 03:59 PM (NUCTk)
Posted by: Your GOP on truth serum at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (NUCTk)
Unfreezing of billions in Farsi cash and easing of business restrictions.
In other words, the Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 03:59 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Naes at April 30, 2015 03:59 PM (YhayY)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:30 PM (g1DWB)
Inverting the Constitutional order for a one-off political gag is stupid. There are a laundry list of legitimate options that are not being used. Stop making excuses, please.
Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Commenter at April 30, 2015 03:59 PM (0Owun)
OT: The Krauts have cancelled a 5,000 person bicycle race due to fears of a terrorist attack.
Upside, they arrested a couple of incipient terrorists unrelated to this and called them presumed "Islamic inspired terrorists". Actually used the "I" word.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (JtwS4)
The choice is not 67 votes to ratify versus 67 to disapprove. Obama has said since before negotiations began a couple years ago that he had no intention of submitting it to the Senate at all. So there was NEVER going to be any ratification vote.
So the only way to give the Congress any voice at all - besides lifting sanctions, which is meaningless if Europe does since we do no business with Iran anyway - is to have a veto-proof majority to demand it. And you can't get Democrats on board for the demand for full treaty ratification. PERIOD.
If you don't think this is the best we could do, NAME the Democrats who would go along with something stronger. BUT don't act like an ignoramus by claiming we could have forced "2/3 ratification" when that was never in the cards. Nothing says the President has to submit all agreements as treaties, and in fact 90% of our international agreements in the last 30 years have been executive agreements not submitted as treaties.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (QIQ6j)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Hey, I did my part. I can't 'splain how we elected a pair a sh*tweasels, though.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (/Ho8c)
Don't forget about us. We're catching up.
Posted by: North Carolina at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (48QDY)
Its also not constitutional to outsource one of their 22 enumerated powers (money supply) to the federal reserve, but no one seems to care about that either.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:57 PM (AkOaV)
And, what is this "Constitution" you speak of?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (LImiJ)
I didn't watch the video cause I can't stand Oblahblah's voice, but this kid will never get a job with the MFM:
https://grabien.com/story.php?id=27182
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2015 04:01 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (0LHZx)
These are the people that you want in power you pathetically vile amoral fuckface.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:02 PM (z/Ubi)
Saying something is "inspired" by Islam is an epic fail, as it implies Islam is not this peaceful religion that everyone is trying to claim it is.
Ha.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:02 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Naes at April 30, 2015 03:59 PM (YhayY)
I'm not sure if it's really lost, or if it's just the fact that the loudest minorities have the megaphones. 52% voting to re-elect Obama is not a good sign, however.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 04:02 PM (nb5QL)
The only thing that would be of any use is direct action people power on the steps of the capital with the implied threat that at any moment in a fit of rage we are going to storm the Bastille so to speak and not metaphorically.
Anything less is masturbation.
We are literally losing our country before our very eyes.
Yelling on the internets is not going to stop it.
I got 21 ppt days left this year anybody want to organize a road trip?
I'm up for that.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (M+ldm)
Posted by: Fauous Englishman at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Hey, I did my part. I can't 'splain how we elected a pair a sh*tweasels, though.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (/Ho8c)
Don't forget about us. We're catching up.
Posted by: North Carolina at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (48QDY)<<<
**sneaks out of thread slowly**
Posted by: Arizona at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (1FyZ2)
The constitution says 2/3s.
Let Obama ignore it. Fine. He said he would. It's not a legally binding treaty, the Senate and the rest of us can ignore it just like they ignored Wilson and his stupid League of Nations.
Why is the GOPe giving him a fig leaf? Now they're working with him to retroactively make his "treaty" legal. This doesn't give anyone a voice, it just offers Obama some political cover.
Congress instituted the sanctions, Obama cannot lift them on his own.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (sdxPm)
This isn't rocket science. It doesn't take a lot of research to learn.
But it does take a willingness not to parrot the chants from the ignorant and stupid as if they were true.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (QIQ6j)
This bill gives an outside chance, but without it, we get a secret, terrible agreement between Obama and Iran.
Posted by: theCork at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (hbAdE)
WOW. The GOP is forcing the the administration to submit more phony, incomplete paperwork - probably for things that are already required to be submitted. Genius! How do they come up with this stuff!?
Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Commenter at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (0Owun)
One of the usual suspects in Ferguson said as to Gray's had injury: Blacks Dont Crack!
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (LImiJ)
If it removes the bastards from DC - even at the cost of permanent Democrat rule - so be it. Hell, we're almost there anyway so let McConnell Boehner and the rest go to Hell. Punishment for them would be identity thieves and hackers stealing every penny they have.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Commenter at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (0Owun)
And the correct answer was to impeach him immediately and/or shut down the government.
Seriously, the United States Constitution has two solutions to executive overreach. 1- Congress controls the purse-strings. 2- Impeachment.
Anything that is *not* one of those two remedies is unconstitutional, and nothing more than theater.
But, of course, politicians (heck, most citizens) don't actually give a rip about the Constitution except as a set of general guidelines.
We've been worse about following the Constitution than Captain Barbosa and the Pirate's Code.
And don't give me any lip about "elections." Electing Republicans isn't helping anyway. There is right, and there is wrong, and the Republican Party is currently supporting "wrong."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (kff5f)
A guy named Hussein told you what he was going to do in 2007.
Posted by: Juan McCain at April 30, 2015 04:05 PM (48QDY)
Agree. Mass assembly in D.C. by about half the population of the country is the only thing that will get their attention.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 04:05 PM (nb5QL)
Posted by: SteveF at April 30, 2015 04:05 PM (2mEUK)
One of the usual suspects in Ferguson said as to Gray's had injury: Blacks Dont Crack!
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (iQIUe)
Thick homo-erectus neanderthal skulls.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:05 PM (St6BJ)
Yet another reason why I return again and again to this award-winning, smart military blog.
Let us consider 3 words:
'taqiyya' is what they're doing
'kabuki' is what they think they're doing
'porn' is what we're going to do to them if they don't cut this s**t out.
Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 04:06 PM (M/v8Y)
Right. We're all just standing here with our dicks in our hands trying to do things legally while the DC types have long since decided to say "fuck it" to the constitution.
If the constitution is our "social compact" and its no longer operative, where does that leave us as a country?
Really, I want to know.
With what authority are these jackasses ruling over us?
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:06 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 04:06 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: SteveF at April 30, 2015 04:05 PM (2mEUK)
I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Constitution has been shredded.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:06 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Adjoran
A voice saying one thing while meaning the exact opposite is worse than useless.
If JEF wants to pretend that a piece of paper will stop Iran, then he'll think that. If you think that "a congressional voice" wiil matter to JEF you're delusional.
he will point to their votes if and when this fails. Chamberlain became the scapegoat after 1938, even though he wasn't the only person that didn't want to go to war to protect the Sudetenland. Leave it to the stupid party to half-ass it yet again.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 04:06 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (z/Ubi)
Yes, but did you note for the record his "concern"?
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 04:07 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2015 04:07 PM (/HX7u)
Pfffft.
Moo Moo made that on his first summer job.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 30, 2015 04:07 PM (oVJmc)
Told them to go all HOBO on Corker's ass.
Posted by: Rob in TX at April 30, 2015 04:07 PM (D1Wja)
Really, I want to know.
Unbound by the ties that bound us. Secession is just a statement at this point. The contract has been broken.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (Wv9Ra)
With what authority are these jackasses ruling over us?
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:06 PM (AkOaV)
The ONLY thing standing between us and them is the general civility and decency of most American people. But when the crash and/or nuke attack or sanctioned "wilding" in the streets comes and the civil society is gone, then all bets are off.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (St6BJ)
I'm not willing to waste my blood or my children's blood over it.
Posted by: Ken at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: half of the American Electorate at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (NUCTk)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (ucDmr)
Are you saying that Senators, lobbyists and people trying to sell stuff to Iran should not make loads of money? What are you, some kind of communist?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 30, 2015 04:09 PM (KDbAT)
No its not, but they're playing semantics with us on what is a treaty and what is not.
Which is great. Because I love how the lawyerly weasels in DC can use word games to weasel out of all kind of shit, but try to get out of a traffic ticket or IRS audit or anything else with word games and semantics and see what happens.
IN FACT, this just went to the NC supreme court I believe. A driver was pulled over for a burned out tail light, cops searched found drugs, arrested him.
Turns out NC has no law that specifies you need all 3 tail lights (both sides and the one in the back windshield) operational. just 'a light'.
Guy fought it to the nc supreme court, thinking he found a technicality. Court said, "nah, the cop was operating in good faith. his search was legal. doesnt matter what the letter of the law says, we need to follow the intent."
Which is the same argument for OCare subsidies.
So sometimes semantics matter, other times they dont.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:09 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Paladin at April 30, 2015 04:09 PM (DPvCq)
http://www.conventionofstates.com/
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 04:09 PM (nb5QL)
Atomic DC suicide?
We're pissed enough at the Saudis we'll let Teheran have em?
Repressed Mojel Resentment Syndrome?
Posted by: DaveA at April 30, 2015 04:10 PM (DL2i+)
Well, I was thinking "force" and "threat of force" but yeah, civility too I guess.
Although I'd say our founding fathers generation was pretty fucking civil too...
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:10 PM (AkOaV)
If an Iranian nuke goes off in DC should we go to war with them?
I'm not willing to waste my blood or my children's blood over it.
Posted by: Ken at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (LXJ1e)"
And today is the 40th anniversary of why you are correct.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 30, 2015 04:10 PM (KDbAT)
Posted by: Buster Hyman at April 30, 2015 04:11 PM (5fSr7)
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (z/Ubi)
Yes, but did you note for the record his "concern"?
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 04:07 PM (dJWs0)
He's not even a concern troll he's a cowardly little bitch that comments and flees. He won't stick around to actually engage because he has to run off to his room and make sure Ted Cruz isn't under his bed and is gonna get him when he sleeps.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:11 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (ucDmr)
So if they did a Freddie Gray, nothing would happen?
Posted by: Golfman at April 30, 2015 04:11 PM (48QDY)
-
What's black and blue and Gray all over?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:11 PM (LImiJ)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 04:12 PM (dBm7S)
I mean, sure we'll lie and say we've won a major battle when we've completely rolled over and let our opponents shit on us for all the world to see... but as a matter of fucking pride, to prove we're not totally worthless zeta-male eunuchs, you'd think we'd actually like to achieve a real victory.
You'd think that... but apparently you are dead wrong.
Posted by: GOP monkeys, fucking a football at April 30, 2015 04:12 PM (1FyZ2)
http://www.conventionofstates.com/
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 04:09 PM (nb5QL)
I'm all in favor of the process. My only concerns are a) getting the full range of amendments like the ones Levin spells out in his book, not just balanced budget
b) Time - it takes time to get this going
c) Even if we pass every amendment we want, what's to prevent the bastards in DC from ignoring them or having the courts - by then fully packed with Stalinists - overturn it all
And if "C" happens, then all is really lost and the shooting will commence.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:13 PM (St6BJ)
Oh boy.
I love that one.
We're not worried about EOs declaring national holidays or EOs declaring flags go to half staff on a day, or even EOs renaming post offices and such.
Which is 99% of EOs.
We're just worried about the unconstitutional ones.
Read through some EOs, they're all online. You'll see what we mean.
Also, fuck off.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:13 PM (AkOaV)
that the Israelis and he Arab coalition
will be attacking Iran soon enough. Yemen is a practice run for the
Arabs. There have been some reports that either the Saudis or even
Israelis have been testing a natively-built bunker busters against the
Houthis. Some of that footage is pretty compelling. It means they don't need Washington's bunker busters to get the job done.
Posted by: Naes at April 30, 2015 04:13 PM (YhayY)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:11 PM (LImiJ)
A Roswell alien, post autopsy?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:14 PM (St6BJ)
A Baltimore Policed Van?
That's gray all over the inside.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 04:14 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (ucDmr)
In a real sense, not much at all. Nationally. (Enter the ...but...but... JUDGES!! crowd.) Looking around, the the judges go Left no matter who appoints them. Go figure. The voting action seems like all on the State level. Where shit can still get done. There will come a day when State governments will tell the Feds to get fucked. Can't wait.
Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:15 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 30, 2015 04:15 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
--------
Indeed. Remember the establishment of the Consumer Board? Paid directly from the Fed, appointed members, can sift through anyone's financial records at will, proposes laws that take effect unless 2/3rd majority of legislature votes it down. Completely unaccountable. Juuuuuuuuust a bit outside.
Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (nb5QL)
Posted by: Hillary's talking pant suit at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (RJMhd)
Ooh, those crafty hook-nosed semites! And where can we see this footage of Joo bunker-busters?
BTW, my feeling is that there are Sayerit Matkal and Mossad forces already in country. Perhaps even arming some of the friendlier natives?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (St6BJ)
Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (AkOaV)
So there's a real, pre-existing quandary facing the GOP and (the few) sane-about-Iran Dems here. Many robust opponents of this whole collapse on Iran policy have had concerns about the Corker-Menendez approach (or anything similar) in that it might end of lending validity to any agreement.
Both Adjoran and AllenG have key bits right here - exec. agreements like this are not new or facially unconstitutional, and the real power of Congress continues to lie in control of $$$ and - in this case, as important - any *legislated* elements of sanctions where the president has not been given discretionary waiver authority.
I have not been able to find out if the key parts of the US sanctions are in fact legislated (they should be, as implementing legislation, but could be covered by agency actions or other exec. orders). So Congress can get a bite at the Iran apple, but it probably wouldn't involve any specific action WRT any exec. agreement.
None of which, sadly, really addresses the *underlying* truth of ace's rant. He might be off on the mechanics here, but there is no real reason to believe that the GOP would ever take a risk or break a sweat to do the right thing on any important issue.And just to save time, no, actually winning a vote in either House or a veto over-ride fight is *not* the only way to "win", or more importantly to win over time and alter the public framework of debate.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Hillary's talking pant suit at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (RJMhd)
Gay Lick?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (St6BJ)
Anyway. Only a strong President is going to do anything and what that is will depend on how they got there.
Good luck to you bitches in the future years. I figure when my medicare gets canceled, I'll be dead in 6 months so have a nice revolution.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 04:18 PM (zRby/)
Yeah, that one took balls.
Lots of balls.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:18 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Mr. 0LHZx 0LHZx at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (8E9QA)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (AkOaV)
Oh yes...., he is one of the Republicans who voted to end the debate on Loretta Lynch's confirmation, thus insuring her confirmation.
Because personal political expediency trumps the well-being of the Republic, and the faith of your constituency.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, disgustedly at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (n6Nt0)
>>So there's a real, pre-existing quandary facing the GOP and (the few) sane-about-Iran Dems here. Many robust opponents of this whole collapse on Iran policy have had concerns about the Corker-Menendez approach (or anything similar) in that it might end of lending validity to any agreement.
Since 1939, the US has entered into over 17,000 Executive Agreements with foreign nations, and roughly 1000 treaties. Executive Agreements have been around pretty much since the founding of the nation and there is a fuzzy line dividing the two.
It absolutely isn't clear that Congress would prevail that this Iran deal which is to remove sanctions in exchange for them stopping work on WMDs would qualify as a treaty and no doubt that Obama would declare this an EA. In fact, he already did.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (g1DWB)
Every time the GOP does this bukkake theater I always say that it proves they are in collusion with the Left.
But this one is so obvious as to leave no doubt at all. The GOP doesn't have to lift a finger and yet puts their advise and consent power on its head.
They want those frozen billions as much as the leftists and don't care if we and the world go up in flames.
This is the bitter end with the GOP, for me. I mean, the fucking end.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (DXzRD)
He is a troll. And a little bitch.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (z/Ubi)
Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (AkOaV)
Probably right. Just wanting it. Too much feeding at the Washington trough, no doubt.
I'm past the point of being ready to fight back, with the necessity of a certain win to come. I'm all in on just fighting back.
Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (yZqW5)
Are the special interest bribes so good that it's worth bending over, time and time again, without lube, to the Dems?
Posted by: GOP monkeys, fucking a football at April 30, 2015 04:22 PM (1FyZ2)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (yZqW5)
Have no idea where/what it is. Let me Bing it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:22 PM (St6BJ)
Nothing like being in a Dem House district with two Dem senators. No representation (or at least no sane representation).
So who do I complain to? Governor Moonbeam?
me too... i suppose i could contact Mayor Garcetti....
LOLOLOLOLOL.
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 04:22 PM (yi8ar)
Posted by: GOP monkeys, fucking a football at April 30, 2015 04:22 PM (1FyZ2)"
I am willing to entertain other theories but for now, that is the one I am going with.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 30, 2015 04:23 PM (KDbAT)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh
--------
Shouldn't there be some Assyrians in the mix?
Oh..., wait...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 30, 2015 04:23 PM (n6Nt0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:23 PM (CwVOr)
Wow. It looks really nice. Right in the heart of Midtown. Will our paths be crossing, peut-etre?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:24 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:24 PM (yZqW5)
Posted by: Mr. 0LHZx 0LHZx at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (xkSSa)
Moo Moo wasn't available for this post?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:24 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (l3vZN)
"Obama claims it is not a treaty and was not planning on submitting the deal at all but rather was aiming to unilaterally waive sanctions."
I see. Might I suggest a course of action?
Let him try and then f*ck his sh*t up. Then when the media says you're nasty-wasty bigots, explain to them that you are grown-ups and you don't have the luxury of worrying about name calling. Have Rand Paul ask them why they want Iran to have a nuke. Ask them if they really want to see Israel destroyed so much.
Hell, tell them if they think American Fundamentalists are just the same as Iranian Fundamentalists, that they should be okay with us giving nuclear weapons to Fred Phelps.
Posted by: Glen at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (1x4u/)
We end up with 2-3 strong conservatives, a moderate, and a left-moderate running for the Republican nomination. On the D side, it's a left-moderate versus a more-left-moderate.
The democrat party discovered about 20 years ago that it can get it's people to vote in the republican primary and set up a win-win situation for them. That's how a guy who was in Mayors Against Illegal Guns was able to defeat *all* the pro-gun candidates in the republican gubernatorial primary in 2010.
The state republican party leadership has *also* figured this out....and that's how they got in to office in the first place.
So even here, in deep red Tennessee...we don't have conservatives running things.
Posted by: wizardpc at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (ovrZB)
To do that, they have to scratch a lot of backs, suck a bit of cock (or lick a little) and generally make themselves more trouble to go after than not by the guys on the big committees.
You all are a distant noise that has NO effect upon them or their decisions.
So lighten up, sit back and watch them blow us all to hell.
Ain't nothing you can do about it. 'cept to hope you can pick up the pieces afterwards and make some sort of living out of it.
The country's dead, this is just the rigor mortis setting in. the body moans and groans, the limbs move jerkily and maggots and worms crawl in and out of it.
It's dead, Jim.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (zRby/)
I believe oLHZx is the ugly bag-dress's hash.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2015 04:26 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:26 PM (yZqW5)
Posted by: Your drunk GOP/e wearing a wife beater at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (NUCTk)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (kff5f)
I know.
I just have a reflexive tic that whenever I see the term "SoCons" my derision gene kicks in
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Buzzion
A big ole bitch. The clue was the gag line about "Congress having a voice". The only way sanctions come off legally is if Congress says so. They'd be giving that away. There will be no inspections. it should have been a dead letter then. Anyone who lived through the 70s and "trust but verify" recognizes this.
jef wants this farce AS Saudi Arabia and other nations are fighting Iranian proxies.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (Spluw)
How does that change anything?
I'm not going to look up the 17,000 executive agreements, but I doubt they were anything like this.
But even if they were, they were all unconstitutional.
The constitution does not provide a framework for "executive agreements"
It uses a word -- "treaty" -- which is pretty well understood by everyone who speaks English as a first, second, or third language.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (AkOaV)
Fair enough.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (St6BJ)
We only use that for pros.
Amateurs get the Red Rider Secret Decoder Ring
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:26 PM (yZqW5)
If it's the GOP, can I come in and yell obscenities at them? Seriously, maybe a mini-meet up can be arranged. I know CBD is planning a big one for late summer.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Mr. 0LHZx 0LHZx at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (xkSSa)
Moo Moo wasn't available for this post?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:24 PM (dJWs0)
He's posting now as huck/akin 2016. You know as a way to insult all us huckabee and akin lovers here.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (dJWs0)
You'll put your eye out.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (St6BJ)
Washington (CNN)CNN has learned that U.S. Navy warships will now accompany every U.S.-flagged commercial vessel that passes through the Strait of Hormuz due to concerns that ships from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps navy could try to seize a U.S. cargo ship.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (LImiJ)
He may have but does that give him the power to lift sanctions and transfer money to Iran? It was my understanding he does not have that power.
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (dBm7S)
This is how they win.
Step by step they set precedents, and every future president expands on those precedents and before you know it a President says "I can unilaterally lift sanctions against an enemy country who my predecessor called a member of the 'axis of evil', who has demonstrated time and again that they fund and work with terrorists, whose national motto is 'death to america, death to the jews' and who want a nuclear bomb."
and people AGREE with him.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:29 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:29 PM (yZqW5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:29 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (kff5f)
You missed Ace schooling me on Catholic history on Twitter the other day though. That was...interesting.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:30 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:29 PM (yZqW5)
Please ask all attendees to send $10000US via Western Union to cover all modalities. And . . .
Remain Blessed.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:30 PM (St6BJ)
Gyah where is Jerry Ford and his merchant ship rescue?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:30 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (St6BJ)
Hey....drink more Ovaltine.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (dJWs0)
LOLWUT?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (Bn6aD)
Seriously, NCKate. If you need any recommendations on places to eat or things off the beaten path (assuming you have time) let me know.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (St6BJ)
If SoCons is so offensive, let's change it to ChakaCons?
Chaka, Chaka, Chaka
ChakaCons
ChakaCons
ChakaCons
ChakaCons
ChakaCons
Let me rock you
Let me rock you
ChakaCons
Let me rock you
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (kff5f)
*headdesk*
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:32 PM (kff5f)
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Any car chase that ends and you can still identify the race or sex of the perp is not a good car chase.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:32 PM (LImiJ)
Chaka, Chaka, Chaka
ChakaCons
ChakaCons
ChakaCons
ChakaCons
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (iQIUe)
This is change I can believe in.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:32 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (LImiJ)
How about just go get the one the Iranians already have?
Posted by: Golfman at April 30, 2015 04:32 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 04:32 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 04:32 PM (yi8ar)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (dJWs0)
Is that a Freddie Gray impersonation?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:32 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (Bn6aD
That damned Franken oughta stay in Minnesota.
Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:33 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:33 PM (dJWs0)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:33 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:33 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (yZqW5)
I saw a Baltimore native told this in an interview. She said she does not believe it. I suspect this will be the general reaction...not sure if this will cause a new round of riots or not....
Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (msAGT)
Car chases are the one time I would legally allow a one minute beat down of the perp after it ends.
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (dBm7S)
Amateurs get the Red Rider Secret Decoder Ring
Mine must be broken. No matter what I put in what comes out is "bewbs".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (JtwS4)
I just think its funny how Libs then look at that kind of comment and have the gall to point and laugh
Posted by: Bigby's Bad Manicure at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (Bn6aD
That damned Franken oughta stay in Minnesota.
Roker will just dump on the place.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:33 PM (CwVOr)
Meh. Another washout. Later. Time to feed the kitties.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:35 PM (AkOaV)
Hey, we keep it on the down low, so we're totes not gay!
Posted by: Turtle and Boner at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (vNzbV)
>>It uses a word -- "treaty" -- which is pretty well understood by everyone who speaks English as a first, second, or third language.
And I just noted that EAs have been around since the beginning of the Republic. If you have a complaint about them you've had over 200 years to make it.
Obama stated earlier this year that he did his legal team did not consider this a treaty. He was going to go this alone.
Is he a scumbag who loves to twist the law? Of course. Would he use any trick to try and get his way? When hasn't he. The proscribed route for deciding whether this is a treaty or an EA is the courts. Yea, goodie.
The Senate has no ability on their own to declare this a treaty. What Obama proposed doing is a judgement of the executive branch, he wouldn't technically be breaking the law.
So when faced with those facts why wouldn't you try to get something, anything, that would get Obama to show the deal to Congress and have them review it?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:30 PM (dJWs0)
Good times, good times!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (msAGT)
Bitter clingers - clinging to their EBT's and Obamaphones.
Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:37 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:37 PM (Bn6aD)
Don't answer the door without a tranq gun.
Posted by: Papa Johns at April 30, 2015 04:37 PM (DL2i+)
That sounds like fun, Bannion. ;^) What was he schooling you about?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:38 PM (DXzRD)
Might be NSFW depending on your office.
http://www.kellybrook.com/gallery/calendar/455
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:38 PM (kff5f)
This makes me feel sexually inadequate. Time to start a change.org petition outlawing calendars. #FUPAsupreme
Posted by: wooga at April 30, 2015 04:39 PM (vNzbV)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:40 PM (CwVOr)
Jack, you *seem* to be missing the point.
If Obama just unilaterally declared this an EA or whatever bullshit with his pen and phone, it would be easy and safe to ignore it. And it would put everything on him.
What the Senate did was say, "hey Obama, we know we can't get 67 votes to ratify your treaty (I'm sorry, executive action), but we *can* get you 34. So what we'll do is pass a bill flipping the requirement. Deal?"
And he said "okay, sounds good. Thanks for the fig leaf, dudes! Catch you on the golf course!"
So instead of Congress saying, "fine, we wash our hands of this. Go ahead and act lawlessly, there's nothing we can do about it" they said "finne, we'll go along with this and give you cover. But we need to do it in a way to trick our dumbfuck base in to thinking we didnt fold for you. We'll pull some trickery in the Senate to make sure we get your treaty approved and make sure its binding."
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:40 PM (AkOaV)
Is there even ONE (1) instance of anything working for US re: Iran since the IR other than blowing their shit up. Any deals, talks, etc.
Posted by: Papa Johns at April 30, 2015 04:40 PM (DL2i+)
That sounds like fun, Bannion. ;^) What was he schooling you about?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 3
I believe it was some Pope they dug up after he was dead, and tried him for something, and killed him again. Back in the day. Probably.
Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:40 PM (sdxPm)
This is the "inside out" part of the Dem/Radical strategy. Hollow out all nationally held values so nobody moves to stop the destruction.
No, they don't want a nuke in DC, but they do want their little revolution and they're well-nigh accomplishing that. I mean look, the silent majority sleeping bear should've woke up and ripped their faces off a couple years back but its all been neutered and rendered inert.
Posted by: Bigby's Bad Manicure at April 30, 2015 04:40 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (JtwS4)
Funny, mine keeps giving me this:
https://youtu.be/1H6W_z2XQq0
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 04:41 PM (mf5HN)
See, this is the kind of competition this blog needs.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:41 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: JackStraw
Because it's a POS.
Because he will NOT take any changes.
Because he would gladly share the blame when the POS fails.
If Chicago jesus wants to do the Chicago way with a state sponsor of terrorism, then he's going to do that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 04:41 PM (Spluw)
This is not Water Wise, and violates Jerry Brown's mandatory 25% water reduction order.
Posted by: wooga at April 30, 2015 04:42 PM (vNzbV)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 04:42 PM (sgrzZ)
Oh, and Congress won't be approving shit.
What will happen is 35 Democrats will vote for it, the rest of the Senate will vote against it, then they'll go home and say "geez guys, we tried to stop it but we couldn't. Vote for us so we can stop things like this in the future!"
And if its true that 200 years of presidents have made treaties without 2/3s of the Senates approval, then they're all null and void and should be revisited in the future.
Because the President does not have the authority in the constitution to unilaterally create treaties with foreign countries. Namely because that binds future presidents and congresses with treaties that could drag us in to a war, and that were never approved of by the people. Thus the 2/3s requirement.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:43 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:43 PM (sdxPm)
The alternative is what has ALWAYS been the only solution. Congress Declares War + ends the IR.
Posted by: Papa Johns at April 30, 2015 04:43 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:43 PM (DXzRD)
He can call it a potatoe for all I care.
Sanctions were put in place by the legislative branch the executive has no authority or power to lift sanctions.
Only congress can do that.
Why are we even having this fucking circle jerk?
It's all just so fucking pointless!
Posted by: Kreplach at April 30, 2015 04:43 PM (M+ldm)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 04:43 PM (kivUY)
Now under this "leadership" the political part of Lincoln, the Grand Old Party made to abolish slavery will cease to exist.
When a third party comes around that people will take seriously (remember Ross Perot?) and it stick around for a while the Republicans will have only fellow Republicans to blame.
Sad.
Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at April 30, 2015 04:44 PM (XMX7O)
So when faced with those facts why wouldn't you try to get something, anything, that would get Obama to show the deal to Congress and have them review it?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (g1DWB)
Because Obama can't get his deal with the Iranians unless Congress agrees to lift the sanctions and transfer money. If he wants that done he's going to have to show Congress whats in his EA bill or no bill.
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 04:45 PM (dBm7S)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 04:45 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 04:46 PM (TOk1P)
I don't believe it will work, as the Arabs will still burn shit in the streets and blame us.
Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2015 04:46 PM (ztOda)
I'm glad you said it, I thought it!
Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 04:46 PM (sj3Ax)
The one thing the Constitution definitely did not provide for (though some of the Framers anticipated it), were leaders with neither scruples nor character to honor the oath they swore.
But then again, we do have the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:47 PM (St6BJ)
Winston will be in jail before Mariotta is out of the league.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 04:47 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 3
"Galileo,Galileo, Galileo, Figaro..."
Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:47 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:47 PM (CwVOr)
Its a fools errand to begin with but to answer: NOTHING.
Yeah Levin's a "great one" and successfully sells a lot of books but he's wrong. Read up his critics and start with Publius Hulda. He's flacking for the same crap the Leftists are and his proposed Amendments legalise all the graft and corruption he says he is fighting. We'd become fully and legally serfs under his proposals.
Posted by: Bigby's Bad Manicure at April 30, 2015 04:47 PM (3ZtZW)
No, actually I think you are missing the point. I'm interested in keeping Iran from getting a nuke, scoring points off Obama is a distant second issue on this topic. Nobody was going to ignore it, the Iranians would have gotten their sanctions relief and kept the centrifuges spinning. Have you noticed that we seem to have a president who with his phone and his pen ripped up our immigration laws?
You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that Congress will pass any bullshit deal that Kerry and Obama cook up. I don't think its quite that clear and I'm willing to see if Congress can derail it by making the most problematic parts of it public.
Yes, I wish the bill had more teeth but Obama would have just vetoed it and continued on his merry way. The very worst outcome with this bill is every Republican votes against it, which they will if it is bad, and Obama gets the same bill.
It was never going to be considered a treaty so stop pretending it was and talking about the Constitution and 67 votes. That shipped sailed months ago while hardly anyone was paying attention.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:48 PM (g1DWB)
I don't believe it will work, as the Arabs will still burn shit in the streets and blame us.
Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2015 04:46 PM (ztOda)
What if Israel doesn't bomb Iran? At least at first. What if Israel is busy smuggling in arms, ammunition and stores to equip enough Iranians to raise hell with the Ayatollah's forces before bombing or setting off a few EMP's?
Just a thought.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:49 PM (St6BJ)
But how can we say that "Without the Corker bill, Obama would need 67 Senate votes to pass his treaty"? Obama wouldn't even try to submit the Iran agreement to the Senate if he needed 67 votes to pass it. He'd just implement it as an executive agreement and say that Senate approval was unnecessary.
So I would say that the Corker bill means that the Iran agreement can be stopped with 67 votes in the Senate, whereas without the Corker bill, not even 100 votes in the Senate would be enough to stop the agreement.
Posted by: Joshua at April 30, 2015 04:49 PM (oCZ4e)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Eric-Yahnker-8.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:50 PM (CwVOr)
How in the fuck is this bill going to help stop Iran from getting a nuke?
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 04:50 PM (dBm7S)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 04:51 PM (kivUY)
Disagree with you on your last point. It would take a majority of state legislatures to do what you say and it ain't gonna happen.
I'm more concerned with the dissolution of our society from within that is happening at a pretty good clip. Fast enough to make Article V all but moot at this point.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:51 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (g1DWB)
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Because you don't concede to what "he" decides to "call it". Congress disagrees, calls it a "treaty", votes on it as a treaty and shoots it down. He bitches and hine "EA", and Congress says, "nah, treaty". Christ, that's POLITICS. And if necessary, you take it to the courts. Perhaps an injunction, maybe, in the interim? Sure the courts are lousy with lefties, and iran keeps on a pluggin' to da bomb. But so what? You STILL fight his action, you don't roll over for it. Your position is begging for scraps from his plate, which you still won't get - but he does appreciate the begging.
Posted by: Saltyron at April 30, 2015 04:53 PM (i6shs)
This POS will NOT stop Iran from obtaining nukes. And you just argued against yourself. JEF isn't going to deal with Congress or take their input.
You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that Congress will pass any bullshit deal that Kerry and Obama cook up. I don't think its quite that clear and I'm willing to see if Congress can derail it by making the most problematic parts of it public.
Ya, we do. Kinda like how we just watched the funding bills and the latest confirmation hearing.Yes, I wish the bill had more teeth but Obama would have just vetoed it and continued on his merry way. The very worst outcome with this bill is every Republican votes against it, which they will if it is bad, and Obama gets the same bill.
The worst outcome is that obama gets the same bill, and the stupid party is seen as being a party to it. We've seen repteadly that some of the RINOs will vote for JEFs shit.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 04:53 PM (Spluw)
Again, Obama can't implement the two crucial parts of his proposed agreement with Iran without Congress's approval. EA or not.
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 04:53 PM (dBm7S)
Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2015 04:54 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:55 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Cruzinator
This. Right. Here.
obama has only a POS like all of his budgets or his first obamacare bill. Everything he's submitted has been juvenile trash. The only way this works is if Congress cedes what little authority it has left.
But these vermin would rather be the EU Congress in Brussels.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 04:56 PM (Spluw)
By cratering this bullshit deal and going the other direction with crushing sanctions and demands that Iran stop sponsoring terrorism which is exactly what was being pushed in Congress. That was the whole reason for Netanyahu's speech to Congress.
The odds are probably not in our favor but some chance is better than no chance which is what Obama was threatening.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:57 PM (g1DWB)
It seems to me from the reading I have done about it, that people who aren't RC and aren't even religious at all just get major facts wrong about Galileo and the church response to him. They see it as simply black and white when it was not He was always a faithful member of the church and his daughter was a nun. Perhaps some RCs don't even know it:
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:57 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:57 PM (CwVOr)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:48 PM (g1DWB)
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No, YOU are certainly missing the point, which is - its too late for that now. 2008 and 2012 were the best chances to stop it. Barry's in, and he does as he pleases. And the Repubs pretend to oppose it. Don't like it? Get used to radioactivity.
Posted by: Saltyron at April 30, 2015 04:57 PM (i6shs)
Ace does not like us to use "c--t" and the n-word WILL get you banned.
Funny. In films, violence is OK is Spain but not sex. In Sweden, sex is OK, but not violence.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 04:58 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2015 04:58 PM (ztOda)
He always breaks the 3 strikes rule.
1. He's wrong.
2. He's insulting.
3. And worst HE ISN'T FUNNY.
ignore_user()
Posted by: DaveA at April 30, 2015 04:58 PM (DL2i+)
"..since I'm leaving this country for good in about 2-3 months."
Welcome to the club. We got jackets.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 30, 2015 04:59 PM (5Gy2K)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:55 PM (Bn6aD)
He's working on getting beach body ready. London Boys World Tour this summer.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at April 30, 2015 04:59 PM (vgIRn)
But some he can't. And the UN ones need a UNSC resolution.
Posted by: blaster at April 30, 2015 04:59 PM (kGsA2)
The Intel community thinks Iran could acquire capabilities in three months, congress debating the "bill" would at least leave the current sanctions in place for the duration of the debate.
That a president can unilaterally lift the sanctions and usurp the will of congress probably falls under the protection of the non ruling of the Supreme Court excuse book- the old political question tap dance.
Posted by: Hillary's talking pant suit at April 30, 2015 05:00 PM (RJMhd)
No. It was just four or so tweets yesterday or earlier this morning. I'm also guessing that's what Bannion was referring to; I didn't note any twitter handles related to the spat.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 05:00 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 05:00 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 05:00 PM (ftVQq)
You might want to check with the Congressional Research Service. They don't agree with you.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 05:01 PM (g1DWB)
Winston will be in jail before Mariotta is out of the league.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 04:47 PM (sgrzZ)
Nah, he's really not a bad kid. All that nonsense was less than it was made out to be. All year long people kept saying that, and I didn't believe it, but the more you see of him, and if anyone is paying attention to this draft nonsense, you can't help but see a ton of him, he's alright. Maybe a bit immature, but he's got a real sharp football mind. That may sound like it's not a compliment, but really it is.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 05:01 PM (TOk1P)
ignore_user()
Posted by: DaveA at April 30, 2015 04:58 PM (DL2i+)
I was told there would be no humor on this blog...
Posted by: the person who usually thinks there is no math on this blog at April 30, 2015 05:01 PM (yRwC8)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 05:02 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 05:02 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 05:02 PM (Bn6aD)
I would agree with you if this bill would crater Obama's proposed EA but unless I'm missing something they could have cratered it by simply not voting to lift the sanctions or make any money transfer, which is solely Congress's power. Did we not have the votes to maintain the sanctions?
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 05:02 PM (dBm7S)
A bit immature? Give him a ton of money and the insuring "posse" and wait.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 05:03 PM (sgrzZ)
Galileo or the Crusades, anything that can be distorted and lied about to diminish the authority of what is considered an enemy is totes Tayiqaa. While ignoring the tidal wave of ignorance that has followed Islam everywhere save briefly in Andalusia.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:04 PM (CwVOr)
Have you ever read the language in the sanctions bills? Each and every one has language which allows Obama to suspend the sanctions for up to 6 months at a time. He can wave the sanctions at any time.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 05:05 PM (g1DWB)
It's cute that you still think the best professional politicians money can buy will try to retain Congress' Constitutionally mandated power, when they can make a lot more money by simply not doing their jobs!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 30, 2015 05:05 PM (ftVQq)
Oh. There I go again with those racist white cis-normative Western values.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 05:05 PM (V70Uh)
I'm no fan of police brutality, but the one thing I know for sure is that if I were a cop, there is no way I could put up with what these guys do without beating on some thug.
Some punk throws a brick at me and a few minutes later I've got by the neck - time to have a body camera malfunction.
Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2015 05:06 PM (9ZZd+)
You're telling me that the CRC says Obama can unilaterally lift the Sanctions on Iran?
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 05:06 PM (dBm7S)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 05:06 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 05:06 PM (CwVOr)
A bit immature? Give him a ton of money and the insuring "posse" and wait.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 05:03 PM (sgrzZ)
I don't think so. He loves football too much. Again, that may sound stupid, but I really think he's got whatever drive one needs to excel. Honestly, he gets beat by Mariotta in the physical department, but Mariotta is a robot. Winston looks like a good combination of skill, talent, and game knowledge.
We shall see.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 05:07 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 05:08 PM (sgrzZ)
1) I guess they think it's cool because the "establishment always shows stuff in black on white.
2) Sometimes they won't even use white foreground but some OTHER dark color making their site unintelligible.
3) Maybe they're doing this to screen out old foagies like me?
4) Programmers do this a lot also and most of them are young
5) Gamers also do this a lot
It's like if you want to stick it to the man, that's fine but why make the words and work you spent time putting together almost impossible for anyone to read clearly without a headache? (see #3)
So all I have to say to those of you who use a black background and a white or some other crappy color for the letters, FCUK YOU AND YOUR STUPID GIMMICK! It look juvenile, looks like you're making some nasty point by dissing anyone who tries to read what you've written. (and I wonder sometimes why I do and sometimes I do just cut it off)
guess what kiddies, I just click on view->page style-> no style and all your effort to obfuscate or coolinize your site goes poof and you now have an old man reading your juvenile thoughts wondering why he bothered.
/black background rant off
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 05:08 PM (zRby/)
Yes, thats exactly what I'm telling you. Read for yourself, particularly Section 2 C. The section titled Waiver.
http://tinyurl.com/o8sukgg
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 05:09 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 05:09 PM (V70Uh)
No I have not read the sanction bills and if that is accurate then my point is moot and Congress is dumber than I thought they were if that's possible.
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 05:09 PM (dBm7S)
Posted by: irright at April 30, 2015 05:09 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2015 05:09 PM (kivUY)
Possibly. But this sanction passed Congress in 1996.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:48 PM (g1DWB)
We shall see. I guarantee you that this will pass, without any oversight whatsoever, and that McConnell and Reid already know who they're going to make / allow vote for and who they will let vote against it.
This was never an effort to stop Iran from getting a nuke, this was the Senate giving O their blessing to allow the Iranians to nuke up.
Watch it play out. Trust me.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 05:12 PM (AkOaV)
I don't care which Congress passed it, to shift your powers to another branch is foolhardy.
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 05:15 PM (dBm7S)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 05:16 PM (uhftQ)
"Welcome to the club. We got jackets."
Excellent! If they're stretchable, I'll take a medium!
Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at April 30, 2015 05:17 PM (8E9QA)
I did decide a few years ago that I flat out would not support anyone pro-amnesty the next time around, no matter the ramifications. That is rapidly changing to not supporting anyone who has that RINO stench.
Nobody cares what I do, but I have a sense that there could be many, many out there who are just about burnt krispy with the concept of having no real option other than holding your nose and voting for the R.
Posted by: RM at April 30, 2015 05:18 PM (fRppw)
*ctrl-f 'Security Council'*
*Not found*
Here's the point:
1. American sanctions on Iran aren't the important ones. The UN ones are. We didn't do much business with Iran anyway. Restricting Europe, Russia, and China from doing it was always the bigger deal. Bush worked his ass off to get them to agree to THAT much.
2. Without the Corker Bill, Obama would claim this is an EA- and then, would go to the Security Council, and get them to revoke the sanctions. And there's no politically viable way to stop him. Someone would raise the motion, even if we physically barred the US representative from getting in the door. Unless we somehow compelled Obama to veto the resolution, it would pass.
3. The Security Council will revoke the sanctions if any deal is reached.
4. Once revoked, they can't be imposed again, because Russia and China, despite Obama's dick-waving about snap-back.
5. Once gone from the Security Council, the sanctions are gone for good. We can impose all the sanctions we like unilaterally but it will have no impact.
6. So the Republican would get elected, revoke the EA, and the US would be alone in imposing sanctions. Iran would lose very little and claim we violated the deal so they would throw out the inspectors with a pretense rather than without a pretense (which makes it much harder for us to declare war on them, in the screwed-up world the Europeans like to live in.)
7. Therefore, the Corker Bill- although it sucks- is the only chance we have of keeping sanctions in place.
Corker said it himself- that what mattered was stopping the president from reaching the U.N. with this deal. He can bypass congress if they stand still, because they're not united enough to force him back.
Time is too limited to build a consensus to do anything more than the Corker bill- it would require 67% of the vote, and Corker was barely able to get them to agree to his bill.
Either way, because he's not submitting it as a treaty, the next president can STILL undo it- but by that point, it's too late. The deal can't be undone unilaterally once done.
But we have small chance to PREVENT it from ever being done with the Corker bill- versus a ZERO percent chance to prevent it from being done.
Can Obama still bypass Congress and go to the U.N. if Congress disapproves the Corker bill?
Yes. But there's a chance he won't do that- because it would destroy the Democratic Party, particularly Hillary, and even democrats would begin considering impeachment at that point. It would produce a backlash against the U.N., and Democrats know how much they need the U.N. if they want to keep backdooring their agenda into place.
Supporting the Corker bill guarantees we have at least a chance to win the war here, and gives us a few battles we're almost sure to win on the path to a possible victory in stopping the Iran deal.
Oppossing the Corker bill guarantees a loss in the war to stop the Iran deal, because Obama in the Imperial Presidency, holds all the cards.
Constitutionally, he shouldn't, but we don't have the time to build a consensus or the legal standing to hold him accountable for it.
Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 05:20 PM (Qerbt)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 05:21 PM (dBm7S)
The second prong to that agreement is a big chunk of money which the United States is the big player.
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 05:24 PM (dBm7S)
Understood, but economic growth from sanctions relief would eclipse that very quickly.
In 2000 and in non-oil-boom years, they grew at about 5% per year; right now they're shrinking at 6% per year.
GDP right now is 389 billion, rounded. Even ignoring their GDP shrinking right now, if it goes from 0-5%, the $50 billion they WOULD get from us gets outmatched in 3 years by the economic growth from sanctions relief.
Keeping the sanctions in place is the big part. The money is big, yes. It's massive for them, yes, but nowhere NEAR as big as the sanctions. It's the difference between the Hiroshima bomb and a hydrogen bomb; a complete difference in scope and scale.
Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 05:37 PM (Qerbt)
Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at April 30, 2015 05:47 PM (XMX7O)
Posted by: Scoob at April 30, 2015 05:48 PM (BFk4h)
Posted by: AnthonyB at April 30, 2015 05:57 PM (C8Q5F)
There is no dispute, he doesn't have any unilateral power.
And anyone who reads the waiver sections and thinks that the SCOAMF can just waive it all away is a mendacious
lick spittle.
This is all absurd anyway that we are at this moment.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 30, 2015 05:57 PM (M+ldm)
Actually, we just like lying to you peasants, and you are so fun - and easy - to trick.
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at April 30, 2015 05:58 PM (amQXf)
lick spittle.
You do realize he's already done it, right?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 06:01 PM (g1DWB)
An earlier commenter asked, and it still has not been answered:
Why is AIPAC supporting this?
My understanding is that something is better than nothing. At least, this would give Congress a chance to comment, and then Obama would be forced to veto Congress.
The alternative is not Congress doing nothing and thereby blocking Obama. The alternative is Congress doing nothing and then Obama saying this is not a treaty and then doing whatever the heck he pleases.
If Obama were a president that would respect this as a treaty, the argument works. But he is not that president.
Posted by: Dan at April 30, 2015 06:16 PM (WxnAZ)
lick spittle. "
When he says he does, and goes to the UN security council and passes the deal there, destroying the international sanctions that are doing 95% of the damage to Iran's economy right now, who's going to stop him, and how?
Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 06:31 PM (Qerbt)
Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 06:32 PM (Qerbt)
He's already given them about $9 billion since 2013 so the idea that he can't or won't unilaterally release frozen assets is just wrong.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 06:35 PM (g1DWB)
The frozen assets are irrelevant.
$50 billion would be eclipsed by the economic growth from the release of the international sanctions very quickly.
Pre the current bush-imposed sanctions, Iran's economy grew at ~5% per year. Right now it's shrinking at 6% per year.
Even ignoring the shrinkage currently, going from 0 to 5% means at 389 billion GDP they'll earn $50 billion from THAT in 3 years; and ~$200 billion over 10 years.
The sanctions matter a LOT more than the frozen assets.
He might be able to release the assets unilaterally, but he can't go to the U.N. unless a deal is struck and he can (at least temporarily) waive sanctions. If he can't even temporarily waive sanctions (because Congress has stopped him) then he can't declare the deal complete and struck and get the sanctions lifted.
He COULD go to the U.N. unilaterally, but as I said above, that'd destroy the credibility and tolerance of the U.N. in the U.S., and the Dems know they need that for backdooring in their pet projects.
Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 06:42 PM (Qerbt)
Gosh, it's a good thing Ace has never lied for political reasons.
Posted by: Ace's Brain Tumor at April 30, 2015 06:42 PM (kNw9i)
Not really. They were part of an easing of certain sanctions.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 06:46 PM (g1DWB)
Israel could stop the Corker bill any time through AIPAC, right? The fact that they aren't says something. If AIPAC went against it, the Corker bill would be done.
If Obama just announced one day that sanctions are off, would/could the Repubs do anything?
"Doesn't count" they would say to an empty room because the media is in the bag for Obama.
Soft diplomacy is the all the right actually has, since they aren't willing to shut down the government.
I think the right needs to admit total and utter defeat. From this will flow actual power for the first time.
How? Freed from any notions that they hold partial power, they can speak the black truths on topics such as race, gender, demographic trends and much else, destroying American optimism and moving the Overton window sharply. Black pessimism is the starting point. From there moderate Democrats themselves will implement conservative policies. Democrat mayors cracked down on crime in the 1990s as their cities lay in ruins.
Nigel Farage has been arguably more powerful in the UK than any conservative on the right in America, even though Nigel Farage has no official power.
Posted by: Dan at April 30, 2015 06:46 PM (WxnAZ)
I meant, they don't matter in the long run. What matters is: if you stop the waiving of the sanctions, you stop the end of the international sanctions. If you stop the end of the international sanctions, you kill the deal. Releasing assets is bundled in with waiving sanctions, but it doesn't matter on its own; even if he did it individually, it wouldn't put the deal forward. All of the other sanctions have to be waived to kill the international sanctions. And releasing the assets doesn't help or stop him doing that.
Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 06:51 PM (Qerbt)
You said, "...permit them to appear to be voting against him, when they're actually voting against him."
Posted by: bour3 at April 30, 2015 07:06 PM (5x3+2)
Posted by: KR1 at April 30, 2015 07:34 PM (SNY8a)
Posted by: KR1 at April 30, 2015 07:37 PM (SNY8a)
Posted by: KR1 at April 30, 2015 07:38 PM (SNY8a)
I don't know what's to become of us.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 30, 2015 07:51 PM (8W5zZ)
left. "Akin was a Tea Party candidate" is as accurate as "Hand's Up,
Don't Shoot.""
Akin was the fault of Anti-Establishments who insisted that he could still win after he opened his mouth but was stabbed in the back by the Establishment. You better support him!, they cried, while smarter people saw the trainwreck. You know, cause Hill to Die On or something. They're the same people who insist that O'Donnell was stabbed in the back, (and hey, her failed candidacy actually helped others somehow!)
Seriously can't wait until the New Party forms. It'll be pretty funny
when old habits start accusing people of being Establishment in a newly
created party.
I don't even know why we're talking about old Tea Party vs Establishment Republicans thing anymore. Who are these Tea Party Republicans we should support? Apparently no one, so whatever. Leadership sucks but I'm not hearing any up-and-comer who's shaking things up.
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