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Is This Still America? The John Doe Raids and the Weaponization of Government
Yes, Wisconsin, the cradle of the progressive movement and home of the "Wisconsin idea" -- the marriage of state governments and state universities to govern through technocratic reform -- was giving birth to a new progressive idea, the use of law enforcement as a political instrument, as a weapon to attempt to undo election results, shame opponents, and ruin lives. Most Americans have never heard of these raids, or of the lengthy criminal investigations of Wisconsin conservatives. For good reason. Bound by comprehensive secrecy orders, conservatives were left to suffer in silence as leaks ruined their reputations, as neighbors, looking through windows and dismayed at the massive police presence, the lights shining down on targets' homes, wondered, no doubt, What on earth did that family do? This was the on-the-ground reality of the so-called John Doe investigations, expansive and secret criminal proceedings that directly targeted Wisconsin residents because of their relationship to Scott Walker, their support for Act 10, and their advocacy of conservative reform. Largely hidden from the public eye, this traumatic process, however, is now heading toward a legal climax, with two key rulings expected in the late spring or early summer. The first ruling, from the Wisconsin supreme court, could halt the investigations for good, in part by declaring that the "misconduct" being investigated isn't misconduct at all but the simple exercise of First Amendment rights. The second ruling, from the United States Supreme Court, could grant review on a federal lawsuit brought by Wisconsin political activist Eric O’Keefe and the Wisconsin Club for Growth, the first conservatives to challenge the investigations head-on. If the Court grants review, it could not only halt the investigations but also begin the process of holding accountable those public officials who have so abused their powers.Important and frightening.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:20 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Leftist enjoying their and your lunch at April 20, 2015 06:21 PM (2mJMN)
Posted by: rhomboid at April 20, 2015 06:21 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:21 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:22 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 06:22 PM (MYCIw)
In a more serious country, those agents of the state would be in jail.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 06:22 PM (P55y/)
Posted by: rhomboid at April 20, 2015 06:22 PM (afQnV)
But everyones covered in gag orders, so...
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:22 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:22 PM (St6BJ)
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Some conservatives seizing upon interactions between conservative activists and government officials
Posted by: meh at April 20, 2015 06:23 PM (EENYs)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 06:23 PM (mGBKM)
The only reason now to obey the law is practical considerations based on the threat of force. --Ace
Posted by: imp at April 20, 2015 06:23 PM (XIXZz)
But everyones covered in gag orders, so...
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:22 PM (AkOaV)
This is just a "controversial" issue. Or would be if it were covered instead of covered up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:23 PM (St6BJ)
Also note that in effect, it was. It may still be.
Here's my prediction.
The investigations will be stopped. No recompense will be paid. No one will be sanctioned. There will be no consequences other than massive headlines about how all of Scott Walker's supporters went to court in a secret proceeding to be allowed to support him.
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us SMOD at April 20, 2015 06:24 PM (IrByp)
How strange it is..
how, under the direction and control of the Left, the police have become the jackbooted thugs that the Left has always complained they were.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 06:24 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 20, 2015 06:24 PM (u82oZ)
The only reason now to obey the law is practical considerations based on the threat of force. --Ace
Posted by: imp at April 20, 2015 06:23 PM (XIXZz)
Will Sally Kohn pick up the yellow courtesy banana.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:24 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (mGBKM)
Are these public officials protected from being thrown in jail? They should not have such protection.
BTW, how can you be enjoined from talking to your lawyer by a supeona? That doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (Bn6aD)
Also must watch a graphic film of a partial birth abortion once a day for the first year,,, immediately before breakfast.
Posted by: teej at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (9/OH8)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 20, 2015 06:24 PM (u82oZ)
Funny. Jews are neo-cons and cons are neo-Jews.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (St6BJ)
Yep. Is this is the model on how they'll confiscate guns, or round up "right wing extremists" or whatever their next move is.
Cops raid your house on a valid warrant, go on a fishing expedition, put a gag order on you.
No one will ever know it happened.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 06:26 PM (mGBKM)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champ 1997 at April 20, 2015 06:26 PM (Q819Q)
Yeah this is why...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 06:26 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (mGBKM)
Fabulous! Heil, baby!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:26 PM (St6BJ)
At least the Islamists aren't pretending.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 06:26 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: alexthechick
/pedant
Not being a Republican, but being an American conservative.
/pedant
I'm sure they would be happy to allow us to be toadish, hand-wringing, mincing, go-along-to-get-along, RINO fucks.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 06:27 PM (P55y/)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
The law is what we say it is.
Posted by: The Left at April 20, 2015 06:27 PM (GuwT9)
They can do whatever they want to do. They're the cops.
And federally, yeah. Not to sound like a liberal broken record, but the PATRIOT Act does.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:27 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: pep at April 20, 2015 06:27 PM (LAe3v)
The moral core legitimacy of law in the US has probably never, in our history, been so damaged and weak. And it's not just executive branch abuses that have contributed to this.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 20, 2015 06:27 PM (afQnV)
Remember the hippies? Remember those cocksuckers who coined the nicknames for the police such as "pigs," "fuzz," and "The Man?"
Remember the same hippies when they got a little older created the bumper stickers Question Authority?
And then when those same hippies got even older...they took complete control. And today those hippies are the Authority, and they control the pigs; the fuzz; and The Man.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 06:27 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (ODxAs)
What subpoena? They were not given any documentation of any kind. Just raided, as if they were some sort of drug dealing gang bangers. Who also do not receive a subpoena.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 20, 2015 06:27 PM (+YMhA)
It makes me understand how gangs of idealistic young Khmer Rouge cadres could spend their days bashing in the skulls of their political opponents with hammers and still sleep soundly each night. The mindset is exactly the same.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 20, 2015 06:28 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 06:28 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:28 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 20, 2015 06:25 PM (ODxAs)
Because the Court issued a subpoena and search warrant that includes a gag order. What the Court says, goes.
I don't recall offhand but I believe the John Doe statute contains statutory authority for requiring gag orders. I could be wrong on that.
I still cannot fathom how John Doe statutes are Constitutional.
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us SMOD at April 20, 2015 06:28 PM (IrByp)
Folks ... do y'all have it yet ? The ENTIRE FUCKING SYSTEM is broken.
This
Free Media shit ... ain't. It's voluntary State Media - carried out by
and large without coercion. These Doctors and Scientists that you trust
to do their jobs ... stop. They're using their Credentials to advance
their Politics. This Republican Party you vote for ... just getting
paid. Not rocking the boat.
That behavior applies to ALL your
former Favorite American Institutions. It includes the Police. It
includes the Military. It includes the Boy Scouts. It includes
EVERYBODY.
It includes most of your neighbors - and some of
your family. It includes more of those that attend your church than
you'd care to admit. It includes most of the guys in your Golf League -
although that last isn't much of a surprise. You never trusted those
fucks anyway.
Short Story Long ... stop assuming that people
won't cross a few sacred lines - won't step on a few third rails. Stop
thinking that we all agree on a few Bedrock Principles.
That
shit is all gone. Everyone's on their own now - all trying to get what's
theirs. And it's not about money ... we might be able to compromise
over that. No kids ... this is a fight over power - specifically, who
has power over whom.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 06:28 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling
And they will brook no questions to their authority.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 20, 2015 06:29 PM (GuwT9)
Je suis John Doe.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 20, 2015 06:29 PM (xQX/f)
Didn't work at Nuremberg, won't fly here.
Hope they used cops from outside the comminty they raided. Would hate to be one and live there.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 06:29 PM (MtdoN)
Just be glad they aren't waving around a Little Red Book.
Not yet, anyway.
Posted by: pep at April 20, 2015 06:29 PM (LAe3v)
That whole hippy movement was total bullshit. .
Hippies were mad because it wasn't them calling the shots.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 06:29 PM (fCXCT)
Funny how that works.
"The cops are jackbooted thugs!"
"uh... not really"
40 years later, they take control and turn the cops IN to jack booted thugs.
"wanna bet?"
"..fair enough"
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:30 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:30 PM (Bn6aD)
This country is now so weakened, militarily, economically and culturally that an Iranian nuke is superfluous. Except to wipe out the filthy Yid occupiers of al-Quds.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:30 PM (St6BJ)
election and you understand why I think the result was less than
legitimate."***
All it takes is a concentrated effort in only a few precincts in a city or two in a handful of states.
That's all it takes and the more I see from the Left, the more I'm convinced of the illegitimacy of the last two elections.
2000 and 2004 were practice runs that almost worked.
LOOK AT THIS SHIT.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 06:30 PM (xSCb6)
Why is the recusal push so important? If there's fewer than 4 justices who haven't recused themselves, the Wisconsin Supreme Court can't hear the case, and the final word belongs to the District Court of Appeals that previously heard the case. In this case, it would be the Madison-based 4th District, which sees nothing wrong with the persecutions.
Indeed, two of that three-judge panel have significant "issues" that would be ripe for calls of recusal if they weren't Lawgivers-In-Black highly interested in silencing their political opposition. Brian Blanchard, back when he was the DemocRAT District Attorney in Dane County, used similar tactics to try to (and partially succeed) hand the entirety of the Legislative leadership and the office of state attorney general to the Madison wing of the DemocRAT Party of Wisconsin. The second is Joanne Kloppenburg, previously seen losing to David Prosser in the 2011 Supreme Court race.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 06:30 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 06:31 PM (mGBKM)
That is prior restraint on their Freedom of Speech, with no chance of due process of Law... without the ability to face their accuser... as they have not been accused of anything.
Isn't that BLATANTLY Unconstitutional? Especially as there is not threat of violence anywhere in the case? (they cannot even claim public safety...)
Posted by: BB WOLF at April 20, 2015 06:31 PM (qh617)
The cops will not be blamed.
They were just executing a search warrant, signed by a judge.
That's how it works. No one really gets blamed. It just ... happened, you know? So move on, wingnut.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:31 PM (AkOaV)
Then you talk to your lawyer. Hypotheically.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 06:31 PM (MtdoN)
Posted by: rhomboid at April 20, 2015 06:31 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:32 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: pep at April 20, 2015 06:32 PM (LAe3v)
It's the French method of apportioning blame...
if blame is distributed enough you can't REALLY punish anyone...
It was on Brilliant! display in the wake of the Paris Airport Terminal Collapse
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 06:32 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:32 PM (Bn6aD)
PATRIOT Act, brah. Read it.
But I doubt that's what they were using here.
I do know that when I got arrested for suspicion of a DUI (I was not drunk & thus never charged), the cop told me I did not have a right to consult with a lawyer about blowing in the breathalyzer as part of his little "you're under arrest" speech.
Which I found odd. But I blew anyway and had no plans of talking to a lawyer, because I wasn't drunk. But yeah, that stuck out.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (AVEe1)
Should it not then become a FEDERAL Civil Rights trial?
They are denying them their Constitutional Right to freedom of speech, due process, and the right to be represented by an attorney...
Not to mention the seizure of their property, when THEY had not even been accused of doing anything wrong.
Posted by: BB WOLF at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (qh617)
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 06:30 PM (cL79m)
She needs to recuse herself because she is an ugly ignorant scrunt. I mean, from being a judge in general.
Then the legislature needs to get involved in this and pass a few ordinances concerning search and seizure, etc. Slap these bitches down good.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:30 PM (Bn6aD)
Oral arguments today in the WI Supreme Court.
Which, of course, of course, of fucking course, are secret so as to not reveal the identities of the people who were targeted.
I believe O'Keefe et al's civil rights Federal action is ongoing.
The investigations have, supposedly, been halted. Of course, how would anyone know if they were?
It's blackmail. If you break silence, you break the law and you go to jail. If you remain silent, then the Left gets away with it.
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us SMOD at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (IrByp)
Hope they used cops from outside the comminty they raided. Would hate to be one and live there.
Rick ... I like you. So I honestly, truly, say bullshit.
We have a cat here in Southern Indiana. David Camm. Spent a little time on the local police. Google it up.
That's a lesson in human behavior.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (oKFzc)
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But enough about Adjoran.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (z/Ubi)
The Left are the Monsters they've been warning us about all these years..
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 06:34 PM (fCXCT)
That is prior restraint on their Freedom of Speech, with no chance of due process of Law... without the ability to face their accuser... as they have not been accused of anything.
Isn't that BLATANTLY Unconstitutional? Especially as there is not threat of violence anywhere in the case? (they cannot even claim public safety...)
Posted by: BB WOLF
While the gag order may have been lawful as Alex wrote above, I think that part wasn't a lawful order, but, get this, cops are allowed to lie.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 06:34 PM (P55y/)
The standard process of electing people who represent my values does not work because the GOP does represent my values.
The TEA Party is not effective because the IRS completely destroyed their impact by years of harassment.
Direct Democracy is not effective because they will send people to your house, steal your computer, and tell you not to tell a soul, including your lawyer.
I'm seeing limited options.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 06:34 PM (MYCIw)
In most States you supposedly have to take the test prior to talking to an attorney... as it is an agreement you supposedly make when you drive (sophistry, I know)...
This is a Search Warrant when they have not been accused of any wrongdoing... on their private property....
Posted by: BB WOLF at April 20, 2015 06:35 PM (qh617)
They were projecting.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 06:36 PM (LA7Cm)
Basically, the answer I was looking for, thanks.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 20, 2015 06:36 PM (ODxAs)
It's blackmail. If you break silence, you break the law and you go to jail. If you remain silent, then the Left gets away with it.
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us SMOD at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (IrByp)
And conspiracy.
Posted by: BB WOLF at April 20, 2015 06:36 PM (qh617)
But, but Article V process would destroy the Constitution and the leftists will rewrite it their way.
Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:37 PM (St6BJ)
Well Hell Lauren ... I'm sure the Sheep didn't see much hope in the Democracy of Two Wolves either.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 06:37 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: Calas at April 20, 2015 06:37 PM (IIItV)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 06:34 PM (P55y/)
Which is why you need to be informed about your own rights, and then be prudent about insisting upon them.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 20, 2015 06:37 PM (+YMhA)
In the past I was never a small government type. I mean, not small small. I used to like government because, to me, it meant order and equal protection.
Today? Each day I become increasingly in favor for a miniscule government.
I'm talking enema time. And no rebuild, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 06:38 PM (fCXCT)
I wasn't driving with a drivers license issued by their state, my state has no such requirement.
They didn't get in to it, they just said I had to blow, wasn't allowed to talk to an attorney, and was being handcuffed for their protection.
Then I blew .00 and they let me go after doing several flashlight in the eyes tests to make sure I wasn't on drugs or whatever silliness it is that they do with flashlights in eyes.
No apology or anything, of course.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:38 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: teej at April 20, 2015 06:38 PM (9/OH8)
They are denying them their Constitutional Right to freedom of speech, due process, and the right to be represented by an attorney...
Not to mention the seizure of their property, when THEY had not even been accused of doing anything wrong.
Posted by: BB WOLF at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (qh617)
That's the federal side of the equation. O'Keefe was winning at the district court level because he drew a Reagan appointee, but the persecutors won decisively at the appellate level.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 06:38 PM (cL79m)
Agreed. The circle of liberty grows smaller and smaller almost every day now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:39 PM (St6BJ)
No, not as founded in the Constitution. Hasn't been in a long, long time.
I'd say since the War of Northern Aggression, but in any case long before the big "O" showed up....he has just made it very very obvious.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 06:40 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:40 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: flounder at April 20, 2015 06:40 PM (ecDRv)
I wish I could've had this kinda power.
Posted by: Zombie Charles I at April 20, 2015 06:40 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: Conductor Crazy Train at April 20, 2015 06:40 PM (XYKz+)
Have they repealed these laws?
If not, why not?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 20, 2015 06:40 PM (zwdxl)
Except witholdings have made that pretty much impossible as well for most of us.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 06:41 PM (MYCIw)
What fucking part of fundamentally transforming America (spit) don't you get?
Posted by: Michelle Bin Obama at April 20, 2015 06:42 PM (xQX/f)
Have they repealed these laws?
If not, why not?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 20, 2015 06:40 PM (zwdxl)
Who's the attorney general? Can't Scott Walker pull a stunt like they did to nail Capone?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:42 PM (St6BJ)
I'm a yankee, but I agree that the war of southern secession fundamentally changed the US and forever defined the idea of federal supremacy and detailed exactly how many rights the states had (none, really.)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:43 PM (AkOaV)
Thanks?
Posted by: Leftist Reich at April 20, 2015 06:44 PM (2mJMN)
Because the "system" is obviously not going to work for you and there are plenty of Americans who have no problem physically stomping you down.
Not all conspiracy theories are irrational.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 06:44 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at April 20, 2015 06:44 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:42 PM (St6BJ)
FIFMe
Posted by: Golfman at April 20, 2015 06:45 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 06:30 PM (cL79m)
Should it not then become a FEDERAL Civil Rights trial?
They are denying them their Constitutional Right to freedom of
speech, due process, and the right to be represented by an attorney...
Not to mention the seizure of their property, when THEY had not even been accused of doing anything wrong.
Posted by: BB WOLF at April 20, 2015 06:33 PM (qh617)
Yeah, I'm sure Eric Holder will get right on that.....
Posted by: cthulhu at April 20, 2015 06:45 PM (T1005)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:42 PM (St6BJ)
That's what happens after decades of stacking the Courts with liberals....
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:46 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Conductor Crazy Train at April 20, 2015 06:46 PM (XYKz+)
Posted by: rayj at April 20, 2015 06:46 PM (pI/IV)
Posted by: Golfman at April 20, 2015 06:47 PM (48QDY)
Warrants for what crimes investigations? How can gag orders be part of that? What sort of "crimes" were even in question? Why haven't I read of such a batch of cases in my entire life, anywhere? Is this unique to WI? How does it square with constitutional procedures - as my impression is that, unlike in many other areas, constitutionally-compliant procedures still seem to be followed in something as mundane as a criminal investigation.
Buzzion, you funny, that was a good one.
ScoggDog,I think you err only in degree, not in principle. Your key point is that few people seem to realize how unserious most of their fellow citizens are, as citizens. Probably not entirely new situation, but the issues have made that dire reality much more important.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 20, 2015 06:47 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Zombie Marshal Lavrenity Beria at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (mGBKM)
Have they repealed these laws?
If not, why not?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 20, 2015 06:40 PM (zwdxl)
Optics, and the desire to limit the scope of the disconnecting of John Doe.
Who's the attorney general? Can't Scott Walker pull a stunt like they did to nail Capone?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:42 PM (St6BJ)
It was J.B. Van Hollen ("R", who as US Attorney for western Wisconsin repeatedly refused to investigate former DemocRAT governor Jim "Craps" Doyle). For what good it did, when Chisholm amd the Government "Accountability" Board (which has as its symbol the anarchists' symbol - I shit you not) asked him to join them in John Doe II, he declined, though he did authorize lawyers in the Department of Justice to represent them in the state cases against them.
Now, it's Brad Schimel (R), but he's been in office less than 4 months.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Golfman at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (48QDY)
Which department or departments were following these orders?
Posted by: fluffy at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (Ua6T/)
HBO recently aired a supposed documentary piece on that cattle standoff.
One of the lines recited by the narrator is this (paraphrased): If these right wing extremists get away with standing up to the federal government in armed revolt, it will embolden others to do the same.
God willing.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (fCXCT)
1) Declare it a function of the States
2) Wait for the Supreme Court to go Roe v Wade on Gay Marriage (likely this summer)
3) Campaign for the next 40 years against liberal activist judges who imposed Abortion and Gay Marriage by fiat on America.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 20, 2015 06:49 PM (1ZYVn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:49 PM (St6BJ)
Campaign finance laws.
Yeah. Remember when Republicans were falling all over themselves to pass that shit? Thanks, assholes.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 06:50 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 20, 2015 06:51 PM (1ZYVn)
4) Profit.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 06:51 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 06:51 PM (v41fE)
Posted by: LIV circa 1938 at April 20, 2015 06:51 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: Conductor Crazy Train at April 20, 2015 06:52 PM (XYKz+)
You know you're through the Looking Glass when the Branch Davidians and Ruby Ridge now look like reasonable people.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:52 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 06:52 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 06:52 PM (xGxjq)
When the trouble makers come around,
Buzzards got to eat,
And this sooner or later will not end well for the Enforcement division or Blue Helmets..
Posted by: Judge Hangtown at April 20, 2015 06:52 PM (/WmRg)
Yeah, that's a "scandal" Hillary taking donations for political gain and special "favors" not so much...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 20, 2015 06:53 PM (Bn6aD)
"Here's your ` hope and change ` ... here's your `fundamental transformation` "
The only one with the guts to reply said, "This has nothing to do with Obama."
I have no doubt they believe it.
Posted by: Billa at April 20, 2015 06:53 PM (LJDpi)
No Donna. Just fucking no.
This is what happens after decades of stacking Government with the ability to project power.
You CAN NOT, WILL NOT, empower Man to quickly and efficiently solve Social Problems without those same Men solving things that you don't see as a Problem.
The Wrong Men are not on the Court. A Court of Men is Wrong. And until angels literally start walking among us ... I'll distrust the Court. And the Pope don't count.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 06:53 PM (oKFzc)
and confiscate your firearms, are you going to start shooting cops while
your family is in the living room?
Yes.
My family will also be shooting.
I'm not from New Hampshire but "Live Free Or Die" has always seemed like a fine motto to me.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 06:53 PM (G2Ha/)
Hide your shit, hide your computer, hide you guns. And keep your powder dry. For now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:53 PM (St6BJ)
My girlfriend just brought home some Cock-a-leekie soup.
Apparently that's not a VD, but a Scottish dish of leeks and stocks.
"I'll have my soup with EXTRA syphilis, please"
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 06:54 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Navybrat at April 20, 2015 06:54 PM (JgC5a)
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 06:52 PM (xGxjq)
It is really very simple. I won't go into details, but, as the Grateful Dead say, "If you got a warrant, I guess you gonna come in." Otherwise, stand your ground.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 20, 2015 06:55 PM (+YMhA)
I admit to still being baffled by this John Doe thing from the outset, but that's on me, obviously. So keep on shining some light and info on the dark and ominous goings on in that alien land of WI ......
Posted by: rhomboid at April 20, 2015 06:55 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 20, 2015 06:55 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Raspail at April 20, 2015 06:55 PM (LJDpi)
There's provable prosecution misconduct down in FL WRT the G Zimmerman case...
sanction levied on DA's office?
None...
the guild takes care of its own.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 06:55 PM (/4AZU)
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Cuz they raping e'rybody out there
http://tinyurl.com/cpraunx
Posted by: Antoine Dodson, who is now "formerly" ghey at April 20, 2015 06:55 PM (AkOaV)
Sometimes, you have to call a Nazi ... a Nazi.
Posted by: Raspail at April 20, 2015 06:55 PM (LJDpi)
Sometimes national socialism is, in fact, national socialism.
Like cigars.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:56 PM (St6BJ)
Yeah, that's right: favorably and sympathetically invoke the Confederacy. That strategy's got WIN written all over it, yessireebob.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 06:56 PM (xGxjq)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 20, 2015 06:57 PM (Dhdnu)
They didn't get in to it, they just said I had to blow, wasn't allowed to talk to an attorney, and was being handcuffed for their protection.
Then I blew .00 and they let me go after doing several flashlight in the eyes tests to make sure I wasn't on drugs or whatever silliness it is that they do with flashlights in eyes.
My wife had a similar experience. She was pulled over near the Canadian border, on the US side. The cop told her he smelled alcohol. She has never had alcohol in her life.
He pulled her out of the car, wouldn't let her get her coat, and made her stand there for ten minutes with no coat in winter. When he got back around to talking with her, she had her hands in her pockets and he barked at her for that.
He gave her the breathalyzer and she blew a 0.0. He reiterated that he smelled alcohol and told her she was lucky he was releasing her. No apology.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 20, 2015 06:57 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:53 PM (St6BJ)
They rapin everybody out here!
Posted by: Antoine Dodson at April 20, 2015 06:57 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:58 PM (St6BJ)
Secede. It's the only way.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 20, 2015 06:58 PM (1ZYVn)
Posted by: Your New Political Masters at April 20, 2015 06:58 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 06:58 PM (mGBKM)
Posted by: Pat at April 20, 2015 06:59 PM (nwnmt)
Wait, he's formerly gay? Is that real or have they disowned him because he loves the waffle fries from chick filet.?
Posted by: Buzzion at April 20, 2015 06:59 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 06:59 PM (wkuqO)
We are all Yugoslavia now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:58 PM (St6BJ)
More like Czechoslovakia, but yeah.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 20, 2015 06:59 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 06:59 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Zombie Marshal Lavrenity Beria at April 20, 2015 06:59 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: fluffy at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (Ua6T/)
Department? Who cares. I would like to see the individual officers who participated in the illegal & secret raids fired & prosecuted. Start nailing them to the wall & they'll stop "just following orders".
& if they want to tell us who gave them the orders, that will be just fine, too. They'll have plenty of time to talk when they're out of work & in prison.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champ 1997 at April 20, 2015 06:59 PM (Q819Q)
1) Declare it a function of the States
2) Wait for the Supreme Court to go Roe v Wade on Gay Marriage (likely this summer)
3) Campaign for the next 40 years against liberal activist judges who imposed Abortion and Gay Marriage by fiat on America.
Damn, who leaked their playbook? Someone's getting fired for that.
In the version I torrented, #4 was "4) when in office, avoid pro-trad-marriage rallies and events like the plague we treated the pro-life rallies and events as".
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 20, 2015 07:00 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 20, 2015 07:00 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 20, 2015 07:01 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 20, 2015 07:01 PM (zwdxl)
Who knows in six months, what we will be astonished at.
One thing is for certain; we will still be asking ourselves how much further can it go?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 20, 2015 07:01 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: fred at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (LJDpi)
As noted by a few of us here the other day, the Libby case - from the initial administration reaction to the ludicrous press distortion to the unbelievable and indefensible prosecution of Libby - was actually a keypoint (crossroads?) in at least the realization that the country around us was simply no longer familiar as the one we had always lived in.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (afQnV)
I live in Wisconsin, and while I certainly knew of the raids and investigations, I didn't realize just how terrible they were until I read French's article.
Yeah, coppers, go ahead and do your masters' bidding - you'll be fine, unless you are white and shoot a black. It won't matter if it's self-defense or not, the left will gladly throw you to the wolves. Ironically, the most law-abiding people might not be so quick to defend you in the future, not when you've shown you're capable of treating good citizens and neighbors with less respect than you would treat meth dealers.
And the leftist will show you the same mercy they show to everyone else they hate.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 20, 2015 07:01 PM (zwdxl)
Yeah, there's some emanations from penumbras I'd rather not smell.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (+YMhA)
I admit to still being baffled by this John Doe thing from the outset, but that's on me, obviously. So keep on shining some light and info on the dark and ominous goings on in that alien land of WI ......
Posted by: rhomboid at April 20, 2015 06:55 PM (afQnV)
Thanks, but I don't deserve much credit. Most of my intel comes from Wisconsin Reporter's Matt Kittle, and his 192-part (and counting) series on this- http://bit.ly/1Hpg30e
In fact, I'm too small of a fry to have been targeted in either John Doe I or John Doe II.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (mGBKM)
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 20, 2015 07:01 PM (zwdxl)
That's baked into the homo wedding cake.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Bullet trains will run on time at April 20, 2015 07:03 PM (jT+gh)
Confederacy. That strategy's got WIN written all over it, yessireebob.
he wasn't being sympathetic to the Confederacy...he was being sympathetic to the Constitution and the idea that the Feds have ONLY the powers designated.
The Constitution is a great document...you should real it sometime.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 07:03 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at April 20, 2015 07:04 PM (JdEZJ)
The fact that prosecutors have something like a 95% conviction rate should also raise alarm bells.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:04 PM (St6BJ)
Do you think the officers even knew what they were doing? At the morning briefing they probably heard, "Today we're executing a search warrant on x street. We'll have an undercover spotter to verify the resident is home. Officers a,b,c, and d are on the entry team. Officers e,f,g are at the rear of the residence. There are dogs in the residence, so shoot to kill if you have any reasonable fear of those friendly, domesticated animals. Detective q is leading the search for the documents and electronics covered by the warrant."
Posted by: bonhomme at April 20, 2015 07:04 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 07:04 PM (v41fE)
Posted by: Zombie Marshal Lavrenity Beria at April 20, 2015 07:04 PM (Dwehj)
how lousy is Windows 7 Pro?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:05 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 07:05 PM (mGBKM)
If you have to ask, then you are probably still wondering if John Roberts bought his wife a couple of Irish babies and laundered them through South America?
Posted by: fred at April 20, 2015 07:05 PM (LJDpi)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:05 PM (fCXCT)
Not nearly as shitty as Windows Vista Pro or Windows 8 Pro.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 07:06 PM (cL79m)
I know - I don't win friends and influence people with this - but Cops Support Their Paycheck. Government Supplies Their Paycheck. If shit gets as bad as we talk - Johnny Law is not shit-canning his paycheck.
Do you get it ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 07:06 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: fred
I have a few ideas on what to do with those Irish babies.
Posted by: Jonathan Swift at April 20, 2015 07:06 PM (GuwT9)
Call them from jail. See if they pick up the phone.
Posted by: Michelle Bin Obama at April 20, 2015 07:06 PM (xQX/f)
a used Dell Latitude E6420 14", 2nd Gen, Core i5-2520M, 2.50 GHz, 4GB, 320GB, Windows 7, DVD drive, for $209 w/free shipping
What do you think, morons, yay or nay?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:06 PM (fCXCT)
So Windows 7 is kinda decent?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:07 PM (fCXCT)
Absolutely. They were told that these were dangerous people who threatened their livelihood. Why the f*ck do you think they were so angry and aggressive in these raids?
Posted by: Zombie Marshal Lavrenity Beria at April 20, 2015 07:07 PM (Dwehj)
Eh? It's leaps and bounds better than Vista and usually gets fewer gripes than 8 and 8.1. Personally I have few problems with 8.1.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 20, 2015 07:07 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Jus some guy at April 20, 2015 07:07 PM (eharm)
174
how lousy is Windows 7 Pro?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:05 PM (fCXCT)
If you're upgrading to it from windows 8 then it's absolutely wonderful.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 20, 2015 07:07 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Jonathan Swift at April 20, 2015 07:06 PM (GuwT9)
Mickey and Molly?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:07 PM (St6BJ)
And nobody thought to do an independent lookup on a cell-phone to see if the targets were an actual threat?
At a certain point, the rank-and-file cops really should question certain assumptions. There's a difference between raiding Tuco's compound-cum-meth-palace and some little house in suburbia. I mean, the latter could be a meth palace too. But my impression is that the former would be prefaced with a long list of Tuco's rap-sheet and likely enforcers, and the latter... well, not so much.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 20, 2015 07:08 PM (AVEe1)
It goes up to eleven.
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 07:04 PM (v41fE)
Watch their doors get kicked in at night and their companies' assets frozen/confiscated.
It's on page 744 of Dodd-Fagg.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (St6BJ)
are we done with the "police are on our side" shit ?
I'm done with automatically taking the police's side from now on -- just like how a few years ago I finally got it through my thick skull that Big Business such as Walmart or McDonalds doesn't give a rat's shit about me or the USA.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (fCXCT)
Amen, Brother Scogg.
Fuck, fuck, fuck the Po-lice
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (G2Ha/)
I'm not. I was just agreeing that the civil war was the event that moved us away from the traditional relationship between DC and the states.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (AkOaV)
The investigations will be stopped. No recompense will be paid. No
one will be sanctioned. There will be no consequences other than
massive headlines about how all of Scott Walker's supporters went to
court in a secret proceeding to be allowed to support him.
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us SMOD at April 20, 2015 06:24 PM
Shut 'er down, folks, we have a winnah!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (kJUI8)
threatened their livelihood. Why the f*ck do you think they were so
angry and aggressive in these raids
When people choose - they were not conscripted - to make a living by enforcing the will of whomever the power that be ... why would we expect any less ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (oKFzc)
What do you think, morons, yay or nay?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:06 PM (fCXCT)
If you have an install disk for Win7 so you can chuck the hard drive, maybe. I would never buy a used hard drive.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:06 PM (fCXCT)"***
Dude it's worth it simply because it doesn't have Win 8.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: ScoggDog
I'm hoping the Tea Partiers, who got the shit beaten out of them by the SEIU while the cops were on the phone with their shop steward asking how long the SEIU got before they should break it up, get it. But I'm not optimistic.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 20, 2015 07:09 PM (GuwT9)
Aren't they always? When they go in hot and heavy on a SWAT style raid, their adrenaline is through the roof. Anyone who argues with them is going to get the shouty "control the situation" cop voice.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (jhqr1)
did anyone see the tirade the milwauki chief of police went on against the nra?
Posted by: ricardo montalban at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (lKyWE)
Justice Blackmun got to write Roe v Wade because, I shit you not, he was pre-med so the Court thought he had science chops.
Which justice has the "I experimented in college, so I have inside knowledge" claim to this clusterfuck?
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (v41fE)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Saul Goodman at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (jT+gh)
... Thought:
The police brass picked out the biggest assholes on their force for this mission, and showed them comments the targets had made about "liberty" and "police restraint", maybe comments they'd posted on Balko's blog.
The average cop would blow that off. But if the brass had deliberately picked all the cops most like Favre in Super Troopers...
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 20, 2015 07:11 PM (AVEe1)
Windows 8 was a huge mistake. Windows 10 seems to be closer to 7, but there are ominous noises about tracking software embedded inside.
Posted by: Null at April 20, 2015 07:11 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: ricardo montalban at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (lKyWE)
He wants his boss Tom "Milk Carton" Barrett's job when he goes into the good sunset.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 07:11 PM (cL79m)
In those days, I will note these people and their addresses and put up posters advising my neighbors that these fellows will probably want stuff from them. To save space, I'll just list what they'll probably want since they're elitist entitled non-American grabbies.
Like:
Mr X Smith, Blah Circle, Generators Free Liquor First Aid Kits
Ms Y Smatt, Glick Drive, Free food packages, cases of liquor, ammo
Just going to help out in the Burning Times you know, advising my neighbors for miles and miles around.
Might forget to put a lot of words on, maybe put down 'RICH LAWYER" and "EX CONGRESSIONAL STAFF" along with the "FREE LIQUOR, 4x4 BRONCO IN BACK" .
To help.
I'm a helper.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (S8V5R)
If you have an install disk for Win7 so you can chuck the hard drive, maybe. I would never buy a used hard drive.
I don't want to make a project out of it. But it would be nice to install a 256gb solid state drive.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (JdEZJ)
I can fill all 57 genders...
//Eleaine/Ezekiel/Eleanor Kagan
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: The Left at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (5LOno)
So, how do you categorize cops like Darren Wilson? You talk about the officer corps being purged, it's at the local level. No wonder they want to nationalize the police forces.
There's SCOAMF's Internal Security Dept. right there.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (St6BJ)
I like XP. I liked 95!
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (fCXCT)
Unless you're getting extended paid support for XP, get 7 ASAP. It's prettyclose to XP in likability, and unlike XP, it will be supported for a few more years.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (XrHO0)
I can fill all 57 genders...
//Eleaine/Ezekiel/Eleanor Kagan
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (/4AZU)
One for each state.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:13 PM (St6BJ)
I can fill all 57 genders...
//Eleaine/Ezekiel/Eleanor Kagan
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (/4AZU)
One for each state.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:13 PM (St6BJ)
Excellent point. If you don't get the typical rap sheet of the occupants, your antenna should be pinging.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 20, 2015 07:13 PM (jhqr1)
the SEIU while the cops were on the phone with their shop steward asking
how long the SEIU got before they should break it up, get it. But I'm
not optimistic.
And the first time a "Tea Partier" responds to deadly force with deadly force - LEOs will swarm. But not as long as the roles are reversed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 07:13 PM (oKFzc)
Walmart or McDonalds doesn't give a rat's shit about me or the USA.
Amen to you too, Brother Sooth.
How could I have been so stupid? I mean, being a greedy capitalist myself, I should have forseen this.
It does seem to me that people (both "real" people and "corporate" people) used to give at least some passing thought to the good of the country. Was i just plain stupid,or has something changed?
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 07:14 PM (G2Ha/)
their adrenaline is through the roof. Anyone who argues with them is
going to get the shouty "control the situation" cop voice.
You are (at the very least) briefed as to the potential volatility of the situation and whether or not the targets are considered armed, dangerous and capable of active resistance. In this case, those teams were obviously lied to in their briefings.
Posted by: Zombie Marshal Lavrenity Beria at April 20, 2015 07:14 PM (Dwehj)
These new fangled pocket phones kids these days walk around with, right?
I'm tellin you!
Posted by: grandpa at April 20, 2015 07:14 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (v41fE)
Kagan probably has more than just "experimentation" knowledge.
Posted by: buzzion at April 20, 2015 07:15 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Golfman at April 20, 2015 07:15 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: dick cheney at April 20, 2015 07:16 PM (6eRmy)
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (v41fE)<<<
Posted by: Chief Justass Roberts at April 20, 2015 07:16 PM (/JOra)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 07:16 PM (l3LvV)
In light of that, I'm out for awhile.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 07:17 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (v41fE)<<<
Let's try again... I was going to say... why do you think I switched my Obamacare decision.
Obama's NSA has pictures of everything!
Posted by: Chief Justass Roberts at April 20, 2015 07:17 PM (/JOra)
Ironically, the most law-abiding people might not be so quick to defend you in the future, not when you've shown you're capable of treating good citizens and neighbors with less respect than you would treat meth dealers.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at April 20, 2015 07:02 PM (+XMAD)
^^THIS.
Karl Denninger has written about this on several occasions.
Ultimately, the police are outnumbered by criminals and gang members. They depend on the support of peaceable, law-abiding citizens.
If they alienate such people, it's Katy bar the door.
Posted by: rickl at April 20, 2015 07:18 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: DaveA at April 20, 2015 07:19 PM (DL2i+)
--
Yeah, I was just wondering if others had seen what the Repubs seem to be doing. Gay marriage isn't my issue, so it doesn't bug me that much, but it seems kinda transparent.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 20, 2015 07:19 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:12 PM (/4AZU)
*********
When she reads the majority decision, will she take that moment to come out?
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 20, 2015 07:19 PM (XrHO0)
Heh, I'm getting messages from youtube that it'll no longer support my pale moon editions.
I can't get the later versions of Pale Moon because I still run XP!
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:19 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Chief Justass Roberts at April 20, 2015 07:17 PM (/JOra)
Iranian News Agency photoshop team with NBC's tape editors, if they didn't.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:19 PM (St6BJ)
I don't like the odd Desktop vs Metro application schizo behavior, but other than that, eh. I just don't get the anger.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 20, 2015 07:20 PM (jhqr1)
Dell stinks? I thought Dell was upper tier?
I have a Dell mini that is nice and seems well built.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:20 PM (fCXCT)
Well "we" will...
//Justice Kennedy
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:20 PM (/4AZU)
+1 it's 2 keystrokes...not fucking quantum physics.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:21 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Zombie Marshal Lavrenity Beria at April 20, 2015 07:22 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 07:22 PM (JdEZJ)
I don't give two shits about your desire to pursue wealth. I fucking like wealth. Quite a bit.
But when you start using wealth to get a better spot at the courthouse - fuck that. We're all supposed to have equal access to the law. When you think you can pay your way to the front of the line - time to shit-can the line.
Or - and I'll go Strawman here - when you think it's OK for Cops to roll Nigs in their Slums because that shit will never happen to you ... FUCK THAT.
FUCK THAT because those folks should have equal access. And FUCK THAT because if you let it go there, sooner or later the same shit will go here.
If this shit is your idea of Law and Order - paint me a Rebel.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 07:22 PM (oKFzc)
Every single one of them participated. "Just following orders."
They will comply. All of them.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at April 20, 2015 07:22 PM (cv6Ng)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at April 20, 2015 07:22 PM (vNlkp)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 07:14 PM (G2Ha/)
-----
The corporate leaders such as Charlie 'Engine' Wilson are dead. An internationalized elite are now at the top of most corporations.
Posted by: RioBravo at April 20, 2015 07:23 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 07:10 PM (v41fE)
Roberts.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at April 20, 2015 07:23 PM (LWu6U)
okay, I now have my eye on this one:
Dell Latitude E6420 Laptop Intel Core i7 2760QM 2.40GHz 8GB RAM 256GB SSD, Win 7 Pro, DVD drive
The bid is at $250 right now. What's the max you think this is worth?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:24 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 07:03 PM (G2Ha/)
All I know is that if neo-confederate bullshit gets thrown in this mix then legitimacy of resistance to federal and statetyranny at any levelis instantly lost. And it was 'The Civil War', not the fucking War of Northern Aggression or War of Southern Secession or any of that crap.
And "...real it sometime'? How in the hell do you garble a'd' with an 'l' on a keyboard, anyway?
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 07:25 PM (xGxjq)
~ 475-650... problem is used laptops are tricky beasts and the put point on that will be a heavy repair if wobbly.
I'd go with an AMD A-10 APU w/Solid State drive as a future upgrade.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:26 PM (/4AZU)
You can find someone that will hate any brand. I'm not going to go into my reasons but it's based on dealing with them many many times. Also Michael Dell sucks.
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 07:26 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 07:25 PM (xGxjq)
Some people phone it in. It happerns./
Posted by: Antoine Dodson at April 20, 2015 07:26 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at April 20, 2015 07:26 PM (vNlkp)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 07:19 PM (St6BJ)<<<
Looks like someone is itching to get raided... denigrating our good friends in Iran, and violating the Logan Act.
Posted by: Barry, Lurch, and the MFM at April 20, 2015 07:27 PM (/JOra)
Two steps forward, one back.
Push push push until the public notices and complains then stop. Go elsewhere for awhile then come back to it and push some more.
Classic.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 20, 2015 07:28 PM (08Znv)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us SMOD at April 20, 2015 06:28 PM (IrByp)
They must exist in some emanation or penumbra of the Constitution. You remember: the Bullshit Doctrine, err, Shadow Doctrine.
Law or no, if someone stormed into my house, tore things up, stole some of my stuff and then said "but you can't tell anyone", my response would be "Fuck" and "You". What exactly am I supposed to be afraid of? That jackbooted thugs might break into my house and terrorize my family? Also, I'd be willing to have someone, anyone, field test constitutionality of John Doe statutes in open court. Discover would be...fun. And before you say "but they would issue another gag order", let me respond that there are numerous recording devices which are pretty much innocuous looking and impossible to detect without actual destruction of said devices. Every. Single. Thing. would end up on YouTube and/or international torrent sites.
Seriously, the only way to combat this bullshit is my essentially throat-punching the miscreants and shining a big effing spotlight on the crap.
Posted by: Physics Geek at April 20, 2015 07:28 PM (llWHs)
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 07:29 PM (cL79m)
then legitimacy of resistance to federal and statetyranny at any levelis
instantly lost. And it was 'The Civil War', not the fucking War of
Northern Aggression or War of Southern Secession or any of that crap.
Or maybe The Constitution was violated for a Good Reason, Just That One Time.
But hell ... that's a hard pill to swallow, ain't it.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 07:29 PM (oKFzc)
And it's not even that they're all (individually, off duty) assholes.
It's mob mentality. They all feed on each other. Raids like these, especially, are adrenaline fueled military type kick in the doors secure the premises yell "clear" as you run through rooms adult real life video games.
And it's very dangerous.
People have, and will continue to die. Cops and citizens alike. And the mentality that allows for raids like this needs to be abolished from civilian police forces.
Posted by: grandpa at April 20, 2015 07:30 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 07:30 PM (AkOaV)
Mmmmm...I can't help but wonder just how much of the Yemen situation was choreographed a couple of weeks ago in Switzerland. Gotta make the Administration look good going into elections.
Dog...tail...wag...
Posted by: Diogenes at April 20, 2015 07:31 PM (08Znv)
If they'd listened to Longstreet and emancipated them all in their birthing document I think they'd have won...
Jolly Ole' Fwance would have been more keen to screw the US.
As it stands like Reparations I refuse to be handcuffed by shit that was done 150 years ago now.
The US Constitution is on fire and giggles has match lite.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:31 PM (/4AZU)
Getting one from an individual though is iffy.
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 07:32 PM (JdEZJ)
Then some sob blows up a Federal building with a bunch of women and kids and I'm supposed to forget the 'root cause' (that the libs love to lecture about -- is suddenly unimportant) and I need to submit to voluntary amnesia.
Tired of this shit. We lose, then lose again. The steady march to communism never stops.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 20, 2015 07:32 PM (xQX/f)
It's one thing to point out that the civil war was a big f'ing deal (to quote a VP) in US history, and a seminal event... and its another thing to be pro-slavery or "neo confederate".
You seem to be confusing the two.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 07:32 PM (AkOaV)
That bidding is high today...I'd stick to weekends for best prices..
Posted by: Mr Wizard at April 20, 2015 07:34 PM (vNlkp)
I bought my first laptop in 2003. A used IBM Thinkpad for $750.
In 2005 I bought a new Compaq laptop for $700 that was 5x better than my Thinkpad.
Today, 10 years later, I'm trying to buy a much better laptop than my Compaq for just half the price (~$350 ).
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:34 PM (fCXCT)
Driving. On a phone. BTDT.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 07:34 PM (MtdoN)
I hear you. But hell ... it's easier to spout about that shit when One Side is Right and The Other Side is Wrong.
Me ... I'd have fought for the South and then been an Abolitionist if I won. Go figure.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 07:35 PM (oKFzc)
Use voice and auto-typing...practice your chinese...
Sven<-----knows of what he speaks
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:35 PM (/4AZU)
That bidding is high today...I'd stick to weekends for best prices..
I tried over the weekend. I usually stick to Buy It Nows, though.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:35 PM (fCXCT)
like anything, there are good and bad. crooked timber. power corrupts, etc.
anyway,
the comment, in reference to an earlier post where Ace said that "I
don't feel safe" is what the progs use to shut down free speech and justify stealing your rights.
Isn't that the same thing the police say on the report after they shoot your dog? Funny that.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at April 20, 2015 07:35 PM (LWu6U)
Sven
And have everyone think you are having a stroke.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 07:36 PM (MtdoN)
(I still have and use)
$200 in 2014 for a HP 2.4ghz Win 7 laptop/tablet convertible. Oh the money I've blown on PCs.
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 07:37 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Mindy at April 20, 2015 07:38 PM (OYnFN)
No sarcasm at all Scogg.
My personal jury is out on Rand, but one thing that does appeal to me in him is the "un" militirizing of the police. I've known lots of cops (was an evil Banker for years) ...many, many of them are arrogant assholes with power trip problems. I think they should be brought back into line and reminded who the fuck they work for. And they damn sure shouldn't be used by "anyone" of "any" political party to intimidate their opponents.
Clear enough?
I was absolutely being sincere that although I think there is not a damn thing wrong with the profit motive (it IS what makes the free market work, after all), I DO INDEED have a problem with cock sucking "organizations" like the Chamber spending ungodly sums in order to cause politicians to vote AGAINST the people who elect them.
So yeah, I've got plenty of "Fuck them too" for things I used to hold in pretty high esteem. Cops, the Chamber and the GOP among them.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 07:38 PM (G2Ha/)
Eeeet wuuurrrkkked foooorrr meeee
//Jim Brady smiling in a wheel chair
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:38 PM (/4AZU)
I don't like the odd Desktop vs Metro application schizo behavior, but other than that, eh. I just don't get the anger.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 20, 2015 07:20 PM (jhqr1)
Said schizo behavior just really, really pisses me off. And my parents. And my friends. And my coworkers. I can't explain it further; it's just frustrating to me.
Gnome 3 and Unity can suck it, too.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 07:38 PM (l3LvV)
Yeah, the laptops were $3000-5000 when they first came out -- and they sucked!!
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 07:39 PM (fCXCT)
Yeah. It's a sliding scale. Because if a vicious dog trained by a drug dealer to sic on command attacks a cop (or anyone else), I'm okay with that person using deadly force to protect themselves. And I think the burden should be lower for animals then for using deadly force against humans.
But to shoot all cops as a matter of course -- your first response -- betrays a far more scary mindset more than anything else. That a cops first reaction to some kids barking dog is to SHOOT it says more about the cop then it does about the dog or the kid.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 07:39 PM (AkOaV)
Well the good thing there is that he is not yet her husband. Perhaps she'll come to her senses.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 07:39 PM (MYCIw)
Grab the pitchforks and burn the Tech Nerd who is to blame for killing the old desktop...
(by making one button push needed)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:40 PM (/4AZU)
That was the state of Virginia's position, IIRC.
The Deep South's "fire-eaters" did not help cool tensions.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 20, 2015 07:40 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: The Left at April 20, 2015 07:40 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 07:40 PM (AkOaV)
//
We all saw it. :-)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 07:41 PM (MtdoN)
Posted by: G. Gordy Liddy at April 20, 2015 07:41 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 07:41 PM (oKFzc)
He was my inspiration...
no guilty as charged the tech just ain't there yet.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:42 PM (/4AZU)
I'd forbid the goosestepping little fascist from entering my property or calling the house and tell him exactly why he isn't fit to date your daughter.
Because he's an anti-American nazi bastid. Your daughter should be able to find better at the local homeless shelter.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 07:42 PM (S8V5R)
One thing that appeals to me is that Rand is actually doing his job, which is representin'.
Cruz and Rubio haven't been representin':
http://tinyurl.com/n283cr3
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 20, 2015 07:43 PM (AVEe1)
better get us all at once or I'm starving your fucking cities.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:43 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again<<<
You weren't paying attention, were you? Adult fun camps. We get to eat at Chipotles every Thursday.
Posted by: Fritz at April 20, 2015 07:43 PM (ty633)
But the dogs they shoot are like my friend's Golden Retriever who they caught on camera seeing the burglar come over the fence and going up and licking him when he reached out a hand to pet him.
They got a doberman after that.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 07:43 PM (MYCIw)
But the dogs they shoot are like my friend's Golden Retriever who they caught on camera seeing the burglar come over the fence and going up and licking him when he reached out a hand to pet him.
They got a doberman after that.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 07:43 PM (MYCIw)
Clearly you've never had a daughter...
...or a girlfriend...
There's no faster way to get a young girl to fall madly in love with and marry a guy then to disapprove of him. Play along, hope it blows over.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 07:43 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Fritz at April 20, 2015 07:43 PM (ty633)
Wait, really?
Hmmm....
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 07:44 PM (AkOaV)
"The Founders would already have been blowing people's fucking heads off."
Posted by: Sharkman at April 20, 2015 07:44 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Zombie Alexander Solzhenitsyn at April 20, 2015 07:44 PM (amQXf)
no guilty as charged the tech just ain't there yet.
Should have seen a buddy's. He started talking just as his radar detector went off. He hit send without looking.
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 07:44 PM (MtdoN)
the lawyers, and anyone connected to the criminal justice industry, is
that they spend their days dealing with the scum of society.
Soon they start to think everyone is scum. It becomes the norm.
As
I get older I realize that this is why we need all those lies we used
to tell ourselves (priests are celibate, judges are sober, sheriffs wear
white hates, etc.) is not because they are true, but because we need to
aspire to that ideal. If we make excuses for failure by saying everyone
fails, well then everyone will.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at April 20, 2015 07:46 PM (LWu6U)
Barack Obama is not a boomer - nor are any of his staff boomers. Hillary! is a boomer however; those who are mad at the boomers had best fear her wrath, she might shake her walker at everyone, and yell at all of us to get off her yard.
What the boomers were was crappy parents - even worse than the Greatest Generation had been for them. The boomer's children became even worse parents and the result is the clueless generation of special snowflakes that are now in their late teens and 20s.
Posted by: An Observation at April 20, 2015 07:47 PM (nm9kI)
You mad, Bro?
Haven't seen so much butt hurt since Gabe bailed out.
READ the fucking Constitution and then get to me with your superior intellect.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 07:47 PM (G2Ha/)
Hehe I'm amazed there weren't more "oh go the f**k ahead sweetheart and do whatever the f**k you want to do"s...
I hate driving through Atlanta
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:47 PM (/4AZU)
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union;"
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 07:47 PM (MYCIw)
I hate to sound pusillanimous but maybe the only way to break powerful public sector thug unions is to do a Detroit. Leave, and starve the beast.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 20, 2015 07:50 PM (3F6F8)
He was "saving" the Union b/c the Whigs looked at the nation as their piggy bank....
Lincoln is a complicated topic.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:50 PM (/4AZU)
Actually, I think it's a bad match in general. She is deathly afraid of God or a Christian husband because of what she thinks "submission" entails, yet she is okay marrying someone who is a BIG fan of coercive policies. Since pairing up with him, my stepdaughter has been echoing his opinions about what other people should be forced to do.
Posted by: Mindy at April 20, 2015 07:50 PM (OYnFN)
Grab the pitchforks and burn the Tech Nerd who is to blame for killing the old desktop...
(by making one button push needed)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:40 PM (/4AZU)
Not sure what you're driving at. Yes, I know I can press the Windows key and type shit in. No, I'm not a dummy just because I think the Metro interface fucking sucks. All I wanted to do was point out that Windows 8 is perfectly fine with a tiny, free application and that one shouldn't pass up a computer deal solely due to the inclusion of Win 8.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 07:51 PM (l3LvV)
I have a Kaypro in the attic. Luggable, ftw!
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 07:51 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 07:53 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 07:42 PM (S8V5R)
-----
You just described my fantasy.
Posted by: Mindy at April 20, 2015 07:54 PM (OYnFN)
Huh?
Why is there surprise that the left is causing the state to act like jackbooted thugs? That is their signature. That is where the road they travel always leads.
I know they tell lies and plead innocence, but how is the comment section of the HQ acting as if there is any truth to their denials?
I stand against the left **because** that is where it leads. The same reason I stand in defense of the unborn, or against big gov. or high taxes or over regulation or the DMV.
OK, i know we all get this, but why is it so easy to act like their BS is reality. The Left = Jackboots. conservatives = No jackboots. anyone insinuating otherwise is a fool or a knave.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at April 20, 2015 07:54 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 20, 2015 07:54 PM (A98Xu)
It's all good not wanting 'ron on 'ron violence...
I'm typing while thinking of the guy I used to double check my custom rigs I built who was evangelical in his zeal...
no deep offense meant.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:54 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Golfman at April 20, 2015 07:55 PM (48QDY)
Has anyone blamed the Packers yet?
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 07:55 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: Zombie Alexander Solzhenitsyn at April 20, 2015 07:44 PM (amQXf)
Um Fa Cube Itches you do realize that this zombie lecturing schtick has gotten old and tiresome.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 20, 2015 07:55 PM (pAlYe)
I'm typing while thinking of the guy I used to double check my custom rigs I built who was evangelical in his zeal...
no deep offense meant.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:54 PM (/4AZU)
Don't cross him on the twitters though.
Posted by: Golfman at April 20, 2015 07:56 PM (48QDY)
------
Perhaps that is the problem - a jackboot gap.
Or is there a jackboot-free safe zone available?
Posted by: RioBravo at April 20, 2015 07:56 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 07:56 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 07:57 PM (G2Ha/)
Cops can do whatever they want, including lie.
Supreme court said so.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 07:57 PM (AkOaV)
Of course, "Civil War" is a misnomer. The South wasn't fighting the North for control of the United States (which would have been an according-to-Hoyle civil war). It was a rebellion by one side, and an invasion of sovereign territory by the other. So "War of Northern Aggression" and/or "War of Southern Secession" are both more accurate terms that "Civil War". Or, if you insist on calling it the "Civil War," then you should call it "Civil War II," since the first one would have been the American Revolution.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 20, 2015 07:58 PM (amQXf)
She's been putting off marriage while pursuing her career. She's at the top of her field right now.
She has always dated sweet guys until now. This fellow is downright combative, and he's fighting the wrong people.
An example -- an exchange between them revealed to me that he has gauged ears because he believes it makes other people uncomfortable. He would be upset if he knew nobody cares about his ears.
Posted by: Mindy at April 20, 2015 07:58 PM (OYnFN)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 07:29 PM (oKFzc)
I served with Southern boys who were as proud of their ancestors as I am of mine, who fought for the Union. We understood each other. This revisionist 'War of Northern Aggression' crap? They never spouted it.
Again: if the Glorious Fucking Confederacy is invoked in a positive/sympathetic light throughout the (very possible) coming ordeal, then forget about legitimacy. Just forget it. All who resist, peacefully protesting or otherwise, will be tarred with the same neo-confederate brush. I can see it coming as if it's already happened.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 07:59 PM (xGxjq)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 07:59 PM (3sozU)
I don't know how either. Maybe with some time frame of like 72 hours in cases where you don't want everyone talking. But not some indefinite time frame.
One of them needed to head across the state line and then start talking up a storm.
Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at April 20, 2015 07:59 PM (nRvEn)
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:00 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Kevin of Phillips at April 20, 2015 08:00 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 20, 2015 07:54 PM (A98Xu)
Yeah I don't see how this could possibly be constitutional. They might be able to put a gag order on you and your lawyer but I don't see how they could prevent you from even talking to a lawyer.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 20, 2015 08:00 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 08:00 PM (rwI+c)
Oh goodness. Sounds like a *real* charmer. It's good they don't have a firm date though. Hopefully she'll bail before that time comes.
In the meantime...look familiar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3nMnr8ZirI
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 08:00 PM (MYCIw)
I care not a whit.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 20, 2015 08:00 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Mindy
Is anybody with gauged ears not a huge douche?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 20, 2015 08:00 PM (GuwT9)
Oh, please.
No one is invoking the glorious confederacy.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 08:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 08:02 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:02 PM (JdEZJ)
Amber screen I'm pretty sure. Twin 5 1/4 drives. I haven't turned it on since 1987 so I'm a little iffy about the one I still have. I keep thinking it will have some collector value at some point. Along with my Mac 1.
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 08:02 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: troyriser
I think that's the problem some conservatives have. They aren't able to divorce the idea of being proud of their heritage and ancestors from the theoretical ideal of the Confederacy.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 08:03 PM (P55y/)
"College staff sent to cultural sensitivity training over RACIST serving of Mexican food at SCI-FI event."
http://tinyurl.com/ocawjuf
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 20, 2015 08:03 PM (kgisg)
You know you're through the Looking Glass when the Branch Davidians and Ruby Ridge now look like reasonable people.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 06:52 PM (St6BJ)
Randy Weaver just wanted to be left alone, really. He didnt do anything at all noteworthy until cajoled into sawing an extra half-inch off a shotgun barrel and refusing to be a government informant. For that, the Feds murdered his wife and son.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 08:03 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 07:38 PM (l3LvV
My sister had a computer with Windows 8 that crapped out. While I was looking to see if it could be fixed easily I gave her my old laptop with Windows 7, my new one had 8 and I was just starting to use it. I was bitching about how 8 is shit, and pretty much everything I viewed of it before actually having it was right. (If you want to play Minesweeper you have to download it as an app that takes up the entire screen. FUCKING MINESWEEPER! Tell me that's a good OS.)
During this she mentioned not really liking it either and brought up her coworker. Her coworker has a Windows phone. And she likes it. But yet she also has a computer with Windows 8. HATES it. That is Windows 8 in a nutshell. It is a phone operating system that Microsoft stupidly thought people wanted their PCs to behave like.
Posted by: buzzion at April 20, 2015 08:03 PM (z/Ubi)
Is that what they are trying to make happen?
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 20, 2015 08:04 PM (P7ulB)
It's all good not wanting 'ron on 'ron violence...
I'm typing while thinking of the guy I used to double check my custom rigs I built who was evangelical in his zeal...
no deep offense meant.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 07:54 PM (/4AZU)
It's cool, yo. I have noticed in the recent past that objection to Win8 around here has been met with derision and I wasn't sure if that was what you were going for.
Also, rest assured that I'm not on Twatter so you may disregard Golfman's warning. heh
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 08:04 PM (l3LvV)
------------------
Lawyer! Lawyer Lawyer!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 08:05 PM (kgisg)
Posted by: Mindy at April 20, 2015 08:05 PM (OYnFN)
It helps when you have cousins you're close with south of the line...
I bear no ill will to the military of the CSA sans the racist cocksuckers like at Ft Pillow...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 08:05 PM (/4AZU)
yeah, sure, but they captured the attention of the media. They were the margin that is doing something different and that was all anyone talked about. On the news, On the radio, On the TV.
It was a minority, but the beatles (the fucking beatles! the guys that made their chops singing "I wanna hold your hand" on the Ed Sullivan show!) turned into LSD and Revolution #9.
Something fucked up happened back then. You don't go from idolizing hand holding mop tops to Glorifying shacking up with Japanese chicks in Amsterdam (that think they are better than Jesus) without something bad having happened to society.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at April 20, 2015 08:05 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 20, 2015 07:55 PM (pAlYe)
It's very important several times a day to reach up, deep into the ol' ass crack & pluck out the wadded panties, especially prior to hitting "post".
Posted by: Snoodling World Champ 1997 at April 20, 2015 08:06 PM (Q819Q)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 08:07 PM (kgisg)
positive/sympathetic light throughout the (very possible) coming ordeal,
then forget about legitimacy.
I'm pretty sure The Crown thought these bullshit Colonists weren't legit either.
But come on. troyriser ? Tory Riser ? Are you socking us ?
And if not ... then hell - follow authority to the end. Who am I to bring you down ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:07 PM (oKFzc)
I also believe that the concept of federalism died with the Civil War.
It's much more complex than North Good Freed Slaves; South Bad Had Slaves.
It was our original sin, and we will forever pay the price. Thanks, Islam. Seriously.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 08:07 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Insomniac
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.... and dog.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 08:07 PM (kgisg)
Seems to have become de rigeur, hasn't it?
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 08:07 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 08:07 PM (kgisg)
To be fair, his dog was barking.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 08:08 PM (AkOaV)
Back then, all I had was the MFM and was too preoccupied with other things. America had yet to devolve.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 08:09 PM (St6BJ)
Quite...the left simply will never say "bill paid in full let's move on"....
funny thing is the Democrats are the guys who profited on both ends of the timeline...
fucking assholes.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 08:09 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 08:09 PM (l3LvV)
Sorry Beat. That was a warning for you!
You should check him out though. Sven can be brutal.
Posted by: Golfman at April 20, 2015 08:10 PM (48QDY)
Well said.
Slavery was a built in time bomb that pre destined our republican, limited government, constitutionally framed, freedom oriented experiment to failure.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 08:10 PM (AkOaV)
Ann my point is that slavery aside (NOONE condones that these days, not even us cousin screwing, no shoes wearing hill jacks from the South) the Federal Government DID NOT have the power (legally) to do what it did.
Lincoln saved the Union while destroying its foundation.
Not much of a win.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 08:10 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 08:10 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 08:11 PM (/4AZU)
Don't know how guilty Islam was ... but I've read more than once that Madison agreed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:11 PM (oKFzc)
Sounds like a KP II. Now they make good step stools.
Lessee if I can remember the specs. 64kb RAM, 4mhz z80 CPU, Hercules 720 x400 mono graphics, 2 x 360 5.25 floppy disc drives.
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:12 PM (JdEZJ)
And it's hardly worth enumerating the abuses under Holder. I read the abuses of these judges and prosecutors in WI, and all I see is more of the same. They can't be held to account, much like every bureaucrat buried in the 132 federal agencies.
This is where my real pessimism comes from. We are fucked. Under attack from a hundred directions, we can fight maybe 3 or 4 battles at a time.
There is no cure for this. It will only get worse. No magical Ted Cruz Presidency can solve this gordian knot.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 20, 2015 08:12 PM (gtZKi)
My ancestor was a dirt farmer who ran like hell from blowback for siding with Cromwell...
Barry's was a member of a tribe that sold the dutch the slaves the southern branch of my family bought and traded in...
somehow I owe Barry reparations...
FUCK this idea in particular.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 08:13 PM (/4AZU)
Well, the (Muslims) Arabs and North African tribes were the ones who captured the slaves and sold them to the Portuguese (and later, other Europeans then Americans).
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 08:13 PM (AkOaV)
Sorry Beat. That was a warning for you!
You should check him out though. Sven can be brutal.
Posted by: Golfman at April 20, 2015 08:10 PM (48QDY)
Ah, okay; that makes much more sense. Yeah, I have seen some of his recent handiwork there. I wouldn't wanna be a dipshit leftist tangling with him.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 08:13 PM (l3LvV)
If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
A. Lincoln
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 08:13 PM (rwI+c)
Wait you don't want to blame George Washington since he was the initial architect and advocate of a strong central Federal government?
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 20, 2015 08:13 PM (P7ulB)
She's such a fan of Government Piracy she dragged her feet implementing AF reform...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 08:14 PM (/4AZU)
Read the Lincoln Douglas debates. Or any of his writings before and during the war.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at April 20, 2015 08:14 PM (LWu6U)
Is anybody with gauged ears not a huge douche?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 20, 2015 08:00 PM (GuwT9)
------
Exactly, they want you to notice otherwise they wouldn't do it, what would be the point? It doesn't help hearing, or make you look 'better." You look like a moron who needs undue attention.
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 20, 2015 08:14 PM (A98Xu)
Dude ... don't blame me. I pissed of a ton of Republicans by bitching about Tarp I.
And I mean A Ton. Don't even get me started about the Patriot Act.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:14 PM (oKFzc)
I also believe that the concept of federalism died with the Civil War.
THat is entirely correct. Akil Amar discusses/ed it frequently, how the 14th amendment changed the fundamental conception of states as sovereign within their spheres. Once that happened, unitary government (a la England, with a supreme parliament) was all but assured. Only problem is that instead of a single all-powerful parliament, we got a ready-made dictator in the form of a president. Prime Ministers are much weaker.
Posted by: imp at April 20, 2015 08:15 PM (XIXZz)
Impressive memory you have. I just went up there to try and find it but no luck. I did find a Compaq Portable III with expansion pack though.
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 08:15 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 08:16 PM (G2Ha/)
Washington and the Federalists wanted a strong central government in contrast to the Articles of Confederation. They did not want Barry "Rule by Fiat" Obama.
Posted by: imp at April 20, 2015 08:17 PM (XIXZz)
George Washington didn't want 45 fuckers trying to run foreign policy with his friendly enemy on the prowl to his west, northwest and north....
not rocket surgery and he never would have dreamed of "fuck Congress I am calling THIS treaty a secret handshake wink agreement.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 08:18 PM (/4AZU)
We all agree ... get rich, but you still can't cut me in line.
That's not how it works.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:19 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 20, 2015 08:20 PM (P7ulB)
I always thought we survived that OK and things didn't fall to pieces until Wilson and FDR. (or, more generally, industrialization and the threat of socialism.)
What am i missing? any good books or pieces I should read to get more insight?
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at April 20, 2015 08:20 PM (LWu6U)
For some things maybe. Mrs Freaked would say otherwise.
How many of y'all still remember how to use pip?
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:21 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: golfman at April 20, 2015 08:22 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Wisconsin Prosecutors at April 20, 2015 08:22 PM (B+HTd)
Posted by: golfman at April 20, 2015 08:23 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: A.G. at April 20, 2015 08:23 PM (3CzNG)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at April 20, 2015 08:23 PM (7RXcs)
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 08:23 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 20, 2015 08:24 PM (W5DcG)
positive/sympathetic light throughout the (very possible) coming ordeal,
then forget about legitimacy. Just forget it. All who resist,
peacefully protesting or otherwise, will be tarred with the same
neo-confederate brush. I can see it coming as if it's already happened.
Ok, I understand and agree with this, but where the hell you got that I was bringing a "The South Shall Rise Again" vibe is beyond me. Seems as though you are a might too sensitive.
I simply said that my opinion is that the Constitution died (or began to) as a result of the Civil War. I realize that all the Lincoln lovers object to this, but it is patently true.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about the Civil War because the Northern Aggressors won.....it was before my time and my ancestors were poor white trash who never came close to owning a slave.
I care because it destroyed the foundation <Federalism> that our country was founded on
This lack of Federalism is what is causing the rifts in our society. It is the cause of what may well be our dissolution in the future.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 08:25 PM (G2Ha/)
I'm not sure of any good books on the subject, but it was the Reconstruction Acts that really doomed us.
And gave birth to the 14th amendment.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 08:25 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at April 20, 2015 08:25 PM (7RXcs)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at April 20, 2015 07:22 PM (cv6Ng)
Hearing that from YOU scares the shit out of me.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 20, 2015 08:26 PM (wC8Vl)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 20, 2015 08:27 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:27 PM (JdEZJ)
Eh Abe laid the groundwork for the SUPERSTATE then US Grant allowed the spice to flow so to speak...
the decline stabilized but TR got his progtard 1900 on and begat Wilson who shat out FDR who birthed LBJ who shat out Clennis who shat out Ogabe...
it's a fairly straight line of "because I wanna"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 08:28 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 08:28 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 08:29 PM (MYCIw)
Sounds like a KP II. Now they make good step stools.
Lessee if I can remember the specs. 64kb RAM, 4mhz z80 CPU, Hercules 720 x400 mono graphics, 2 x 360 5.25 floppy disc drives.
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:12 PM (JdEZJ)
I've still got my Commodore 128 with a 512k RAM cart which provides "a whopping 640k!" (actual wording on box) I don't even see the RAM cart listed on eBay.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 08:29 PM (l3LvV)
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at April 20, 2015 08:20 PM (LWu6U)
I've always preferred to read biographies. There are plenty of good ones out there about the generals on both sides of the civil war, and compilations of letters from soldiers on both sides... I'd suggest checking some out.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 08:29 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 08:30 PM (AkOaV)
What is the purpose of foundations of a country when you no longer have that country?
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 20, 2015 08:31 PM (P7ulB)
Kaypro 10 with a 10mb HD?
Whaaaaaaaaa??
Those things were over $2000 new. As big as a small suitcase. So it grows in the PC world.
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:31 PM (JdEZJ)
Because the principles were as sound as could ever be imagined, and one day we can use them to rebuild. I hope.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 08:33 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Mark at April 20, 2015 08:34 PM (RmnSm)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 08:35 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: AltonJackson at April 20, 2015 08:35 PM (KCxzN)
'Socking you'? If so, I'd be one of the oldest sock puppets on record since I've been hanging out here for over a decade and--a fatal flaw in any sock farming scheme--I use my real name everywhere I post online.
In any event, I loath that 'War of Northern Aggression' crap and wouldn't sign on to any movement or affiliation that claims Lincoln was a tyrannical dictator or that the central deciding issue of that war was anything but slavery.
And it was you who used that quaintshorthand expression for black people in a previous comment post, wasn't it? What an asshole.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 08:35 PM (xGxjq)
I think the C128 was a Z80 too with 128k standard.
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:36 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Mark
The cocktail partiesh [hic].
Posted by: John Boehner at April 20, 2015 08:36 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: Liberals at April 20, 2015 08:36 PM (/2E+M)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible
No.
It's a 100% accurate sign of idiocy.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 08:37 PM (P55y/)
architect and advocate of a strong central Federal government?
I have no desire to get into a pissing match with a "Lincoln is God" type, but since you ask "proponent of strong Federal Government" and "unilaterally rewriting the Constitution because I don't like how it limits me" are two totally different things
Just ask Obama.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 08:38 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 08:07 PM (MYCIw)
*********
There's truth in that but it's a bit fatalistic.
Certainly unscrupulous race baiters try to use that as excuse to undermine what's good about our founding principles. Does it always need to be so? Certainly there was hypocrisy in the land of unalienable rights enslaving people, but the point is that we as a society was eventually correctable, in a way Islamic societies are not. And I don't believe generational/racial guilt is a morally valid idea. As Ezekiel said, everyone will die for his own sins.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 20, 2015 08:40 PM (cIoI4)
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 20, 2015 08:40 PM (JgC5a)
You got me. I'm the asshole. And I still don't think we owe blind allegiance to this government. Sometimes assholes are like that. Like me.
But really dude. troyriser ? Tory Riser ? You don't see the irony ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:42 PM (oKFzc)
If a cheese-headed state like Wisconsin are willing to put everyday people through that kind of hell, imagine what Obama, Hillary! and Co. are willing to do to ensure that those survived Benghazi never talk.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 08:43 PM (OsWis)
These people all received fair trials, in absentia, and were convicted of all charges. It was only then we threw them into the volcano. So there!
Posted by: Wisconsin Prosecutors at April 20, 2015 08:22 PM (B+HTd)
You tried me in absentia, convicted me in absentia, condemned me in absentia, so you bastards can execute me in absentia.
Posted by: Zombie Brendan Behan at April 20, 2015 08:44 PM (ynQIy)
I think the C128 was a Z80 too with 128k standard.
Posted by: freaked at April 20, 2015 08:36 PM (JdEZJ)
The Z80 in the C128 was solely used for CP/M mode--which I think I used no more than 5 times. Other than watching the "beachball" demo that came with the RAM cart, I generally used it as a ramdisk. Good times.
Speaking of old shit, I guess I should get back to playing my Windows 98 game (Max Payne) on my Windows 8.1 gaming rig...
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 08:45 PM (l3LvV)
yes, Lauren--those principles--what I call our bedrock are there and always will be.
Long as they exist, my faith in this most exceptional country is unshaken.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 20, 2015 08:45 PM (jeCnD)
You can't shut everyone up all the time. Someone will come forward. They'll catch hell, if not lead, but it will break the damn.
Let it happen.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 08:45 PM (St6BJ)
The US would still have existed just minus a few states who had voluntarily entered the Union based upon the agreement made at the time.....an agreement which was reneged upon.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 08:45 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:42 PM (oKFzc)
I think you lost the plot at some point, pal. And irony? You keep using that word...
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 08:46 PM (xGxjq)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 08:46 PM (St6BJ)
420 indeed
I'm waiting for that day to happen...although not holding my breath.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 08:47 PM (OsWis)
I think you're going to be ... disappointed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:47 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 08:48 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 08:49 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 08:50 PM (OsWis)
How were his actions any less than Obama's?
They weren't...they were (what's the word? Oh yeah MORE) A FUCK TON more.
You may not like it but it is what it is.
But hey, if you don't want to be on my team during the burning times I can live with that.
Doubt you would be of much value anyway.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 08:50 PM (G2Ha/)
8 minutes left on the auction. I'll wait until there's 2 minutes left to make my bids.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 08:50 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 08:51 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: annas at April 20, 2015 08:52 PM (P+I7L)
And you know that how? Who gets claims in the West? What would Texas have done ? What Northern states twould want to secede for whatever conflict or dispute they would have eventually had with the federal government?
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 20, 2015 08:52 PM (P7ulB)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 20, 2015 08:52 PM (jeCnD)
No Tory Riser ... I get your point the whole way through. Some of us are talking Secession. You ... not so much. Everything eventually comes back in style. Including Toryism and bell bottoms.
Honestly ... troyism. You really don't get the irony ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:54 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 08:54 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 08:50 PM (G2Ha/)
Combat veteran. Former weapons squad leader in an Airborne Infantry platoon. XVIIIth Airborne Corps Sniper School grad. Recondo School grad. You?
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 08:55 PM (xGxjq)
I do love reading your posts. It seems that whenever I'm in my "fuck it, let it burn" mood, you remind me why I raised my right hand (multiple times).
Thank you for that.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 08:55 PM (OsWis)
I live my life, I stay off the radar screen except for my public career (into which I never inject politics), and I will retire with my head held high. And I never -- and I mean never voluntarily interact or cooperate with law enforcement. I can't change the world and I'm not going to go down trying.
If I have to one day endure a John Doe raid then I will. If I have to drive by a cop laying on the ground in order to avoid entanglement then I will, unfortunately, also do that. It's just not my problem and I'm not going to make it so.
The police used to watch over the people, now they just watch the people. So fuck 'em. I'm sure there's some good ones, and in truth my few encounters are nearly always positive because I'm always in a suit and have my life in order. But because you never really know which card you're going to draw, I treat them all as potentially abusive and dishonest. It's the only smart play.
Posted by: Blacksheep at April 20, 2015 08:56 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2015 08:56 PM (VE9rq)
You know, the first states who ever threatened to secede over politics where northern states, led I believe by Massachusetts over the Louisiana Purchase and how THAT was unconstitutional (it was.)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 08:57 PM (AkOaV)
Depends on which side. Tory is a Well Trained Warrior That Will Kick Our Ass ... IVIIZIQRRT times according to his various patches.
Which side does grampa come in on ? It's not a small question.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:57 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 08:54 PM (oKFzc)
Dude, give it up. I can't be trolled.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 08:58 PM (xGxjq)
IG is like a grizzled captain America type...
we have enough enemies outside this circle don't need them in it.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at April 20, 2015 08:59 PM (/4AZU)
They are taking our terrorism jobs away from us!
Thugs!
Posted by: ISIS Leader at April 20, 2015 09:01 PM (E7ogJ)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:01 PM (OsWis)
Thanks Sven ... but no. A QQRTSXEI trained Government Ass Kicker is not something I need on my side.
Sounds like somebody I won't let in the yard. He's just too dangerous. He's trained. He knows. Just ask him.
Fuck. That. In particular.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 09:03 PM (oKFzc)
I lost the auction. Again I was outbid in the last 3 seconds by some a-hole with a fast internet connection.
Probably a good thing since I went $75 over what I wanted to bid.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 09:03 PM (fCXCT)
have done ? What Northern states twould want to secede for whatever
conflict or dispute they would have eventually had with the federal
government?
They were SUPPOSED to be able to if the Federal gov overstepped. That was the WHOLE point. So that people of disparate morals, economic means etc etc could pursue their happiness and freedom in their OWN way in their own states.
Want an abortion and Texas doesn't allow ? Take your ass to California.
Want to butt fuck your boyfriend on the sidewalk while children walk by? Take your ass to California. Want to be left the hell alone and not have the money that YOU earned through the sweat of your brow stolen from you to subsidize no accounts and grifters? Take your ass to Texas.
The Fed was limited to VERY specific roles so that each state could pursue its own path. If the Feds stepped out of their role a state, ANY state had the right to say "HELL NO" and get out.
This is how the Central govt was kept in check.
But hey, your idea is working SO much better.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:04 PM (G2Ha/)
platoon. XVIIIth Airborne Corps Sniper School grad. Recondo School grad
So...like the cops, you are the only one allowed an opinion? All that is great, and whether you chose to believe it or not, I do appreciate that service.
It does not, however, make you God.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:07 PM (G2Ha/)
I always bid dutch auctions and just go ahead and bid the most I'm willing to pay. Then I look the next day to see if I won. Otherwise you will be like a gambler.
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 09:09 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: ISIS Leader at April 20, 2015 09:01 PM (E7ogJ)
*********
But we as a culture reject such behavior. There's still a possibility of reform. I'm starting to think that Islam renders a culture irreformable.
Look what it has done to the ME, Africa, Chechnya, Dearborn, ...
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 20, 2015 09:09 PM (3F6F8)
Posted by: Fox2! at April 20, 2015 09:09 PM (brIR5)
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 09:10 PM (rwI+c)
Incompetence, Mismanagement Plague California's Obamacare Insurance Exchange
http://tinyurl.com/o8thhey
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 20, 2015 09:10 PM (xpPRn)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 09:13 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:07 PM (G2Ha/)
You're arguing a strawman. Never claimed Service gave precedence to my opinions on anything in any context unless the discussion is about blistered feet, bad knees,and aching backs.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 09:14 PM (xGxjq)
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) -- A spokesman for a Muslim couple in Alabama says their 20-year-old daughter fled a Birmingham suburb to join Islamic State militants in Syria after being recruited on the Internet.
Drudge
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:14 PM (OsWis)
What does that repetitive post have to do with your contention that ' the US would still have existed just minus a few states who had voluntarily entered the Union '
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 20, 2015 09:16 PM (P7ulB)
platoon. XVIIIth Airborne Corps Sniper School grad. Recondo School grad.
You?
Just a slip of the scoreboard, I'm sure.
Sorry Tory ... I'm sure I misunderstood.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 09:17 PM (oKFzc)
I'm still a couple of eps behind on Vikings when they're outside of Paris.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 09:17 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 20, 2015 09:17 PM (jeCnD)
context unless the discussion is about blistered feet, bad knees,and
aching backs.
Fair enough, but I did notice that you still have not answered the question:
How were his (Lincoln's) actions any less than Obama's?
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:17 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:17 PM (G2Ha/)
Lincoln strove to unite the country. Obama seeks to divide it.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 09:18 PM (xGxjq)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:04 PM (G2Ha/)
Not workable. Such a thing is not a Union, because every election loser gets an instant veto on something they just voted on.
It'd be one thing if there was a secession procedure in the Constitution ... but the idea that it takes a majority to vote a new state in, but that state gets to leave at any moment it wants is ridiculous - because the logical end of such a "right" is that each county, city, town, and family also has the unilateral ability to secede from the state.
Majority votes you in, majority votes you out.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:20 PM (0NdlF)
I sometimes consider striving to unite my neighbor's property with mine. I'm sure he disagrees. Then again ... if I was a level XXIVGHA Warrior ...
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 09:21 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: eleven at April 20, 2015 09:22 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Cruzinator at April 20, 2015 09:23 PM (P7ulB)
Anschluss. It's not just for desayuno.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 09:23 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 09:17 PM (oKFzc)
18th Airborne Corps, to which the 82nd Infantry Division (ABN)belongs,was always spelled out using Roman numerals, at least in my memory. Other than that, I don't know what you're talking about. Comes to that, I frankly don't think you know what you're talking about. Pro-tip: Drinking while writing is like drinking while driving. You think you're doing famously but you're really all over the road.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 09:24 PM (xGxjq)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:25 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 20, 2015 09:26 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:26 PM (OsWis)
True. But am I a Level XXIGSSH Official Government Trained something ?
'Cause if so ... then I can give the proles What They Have Coming. There comes a time, you see, when Men have to Do What's Right, rather than follow these weak ass Laws.
Trust me.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 09:27 PM (oKFzc)
Oh, and no one saw a problem with this?
Da fuq.................
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 09:27 PM (QF9nR)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:27 PM (OsWis)
the US would still have existed just minus a few states who had
voluntarily entered the Union '
If you can't figure it out, there is no point in carrying on this conversation.
Bye, Felicia.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:28 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 20, 2015 09:28 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: bound4er at April 20, 2015 09:28 PM (8CMsL)
Rand has another bit - be unconventional and hard to pin down as a traditional pin-striped conservative.
Cruz is brilliant and walk all over them intellectually, and his dad can bring the fire.
Rubio is?
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:29 PM (ztOda)
Rand has another bit - be unconventional and hard to pin down as a traditional pin-striped conservative.
Cruz is brilliant and walk all over them intellectually, and his dad can bring the fire.
Rubio is?
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:29 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 09:30 PM (QF9nR)
Implied is that one of the Senators of a State can apply if it is the whole state.
As for ejecting a series of States, it would have to be done one at a time.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 09:30 PM (S8V5R)
Money is the key. The Left runs entirely on stolen wealth. Government grants, all cross seeded to their gang. Cut off the money, and the Left will have to get real jobs or starve.
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 09:31 PM (rwI+c)
Speak truth. Don't be cowed by the media blitz. Support your allies, keep explodey end pointed at the enemy. (Note: Moderates who always shoot conservatives first are NOT allies)
First claim the moral high ground, and stand firm on that - and the rest will follow, because we will then be able to pay every cost to preserve Truth and Liberty.
Memories Pizza is a non-violent example of such resistance and success.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:32 PM (0NdlF)
Ok. My first response is that this may be true....but was it legal by the law at the time....the Constitution?
My second response is : Really? By invading and killing your bretheren? By forcing what your policies at the point of a cannon EVEN when the law is not on you side?
How is this ok? How is this uniting?
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:32 PM (G2Ha/)
It's a shame that no citizens saw this coming and made their concern known to their representatives in Congress, eh? If only they had contacted and visited their representatives offices, attended townhalls hosted by ther Congressmen and Senators, marched in DC and all of the country....Might have been averted.
Oh wait---these people did exist, but they were mocked and labeled crayzeee teabaggers, some of them even audited.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 20, 2015 09:32 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 09:32 PM (fCXCT)
And a Vice Reference to boot. Fuck - that's like Captain America smacking you with his shield.
Thank You, Sir. Thank You !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 20, 2015 09:32 PM (oKFzc)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:33 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Feh at April 20, 2015 09:33 PM (Uk9e2)
A majority of the voters there voted to secede and petitioned their congresscritter.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 09:33 PM (S8V5R)
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No - Civil War III
Civil War I: English Civil War
Civil War II: "Glorious Revolution"
Civil War III: American Revolution
Civil War IV: American Civil War
Not counting the various Jacobite risings.
Posted by: Fox2! at April 20, 2015 09:34 PM (brIR5)
Posted by: Eromero at April 20, 2015 09:35 PM (go5uR)
No, it was legal and had precedence. Now get yer shine box.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 09:35 PM (S8V5R)
----------------
No problem: Adverse Possession.
It's the OWS gambit.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 09:35 PM (kgisg)
Posted by: Han Solo at April 20, 2015 09:38 PM (ztOda)
Yes, because we're too stupid to realize what common sense dictates repeatedly.
If all of that had only happened.........
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 09:38 PM (QF9nR)
loser gets an instant veto on something they just voted on.
NOT if the law is passed in relation to a power that is enumerated to the Federal Gov.
This is why they went to so much trouble to stipulate "this is what the fed can do....all else is left to the states.
If the Feds are passing laws relating to their spheres of power then the States are obligated to comply....if they do not, THEN the nation as a whole would be in the right to make war if necessary.
Why is it so damned hard to understand that the Federal government was and is making laws and regulations about stuff they have NO business being involved in and that it ALL (well not all, but significantly) started with Abe and the Civil War?
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:38 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: butch at April 20, 2015 09:39 PM (HLx1C)
Shot "upon" Union soldiers first.
None were hit, all were allowed to evacuate.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 20, 2015 09:40 PM (JgC5a)
Posted by: Feh at April 20, 2015 09:40 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 09:41 PM (kgisg)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:33 PM (ztOda)
You really hate me, don't you?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 09:43 PM (V+kmg)
https://tinyurl.com/krmuuyc
And yeah, these cadets are getting torn a new one on DV on FB, US Army WTF Moments, CPL Thog NCO, etc...
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:44 PM (OsWis)
FITP, the rebellion shot Union soldiers first. THey were an insurrection
and were handled just exactly as G. Washington handled those Whiskey
Rebels - with a force of arms. Period. Done.
Because the Feds were trying to seize property owned by the State of S.C. and had been warned.
It was a provocative action on the part of the Feds and got"exactly" the result they hoped for.
Your shine box is in the closet, left hand side.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:45 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:46 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 20, 2015 09:46 PM (Dwehj)
I didn't miss anything. There is no right to Secede. Only Revolt.
Yes, the feds are corrupt now. That does not retroactively make secession right; and it is the reaction to the secession that sowed the seeds for our current form of gov't. So the blame for our current government can be shared by the secessionists.
Trying to pin the results of treasonous Democrats then and now on Lincoln is just the same old lies of the Slavery party. What is ironic ... but perhaps just, is that they destroyed themselves. Lincoln wasn't going to abolish slavery outside of the Civil War.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:46 PM (0NdlF)
I see the problems we face. I firmly believe they can be resolved politically and peacefully.
Be a long tough process, surely--but doable.
It starts at the dogcatcher level, where our own "long march through the institutions" begins. How long it will take, I have no idea.
But unless it begins at this basic level, change will never occur.
All of us can help here, even though our effort may seem totally insignificant. But you CAN effect change at the local levels.
Keep in mind, that the oath so many of us swore, that hasn't an expiration date does not always mean picking up a weapon to fulfill.
All that doesn't mean that if things go pear shaped and there's no alternative I won't ruck up and become someone's nightmare.
Not posting more tonight on the subject, I need a break.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 20, 2015 09:46 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: eleven at April 20, 2015 09:48 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:32 PM (G2Ha/)
There have been reams of analyses conducted by historical and legal scholars exploring and arguing for or against Lincoln's response to the attack on Fort Sumpter that set the war in motion, so much unlike Buchanan's, who was still in office when it happened. That you can look up for yourself. For my part, I refer you to Lincoln's Cooper Union speech, the speech most responsible for making him President. It isn't a speech so much as it is a fairly involved legal argument for the preservation of the Union--by force, if necessary.
Secondly, the Lincoln Administration never viewed the CSA as a legitimate country or government; rather, it was considered an illegitimaterebel construct, which is why the Confederacy was desperate to achieve official European recognition, which never happened.
Lastly, Lincoln did unite the country. What he did was 'uniting' because we are united.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 09:48 PM (xGxjq)
https://tinyurl.com/krmuuyc
And yeah, these cadets are getting torn a new one on DV on FB, US Army WTF Moments, CPL Thog NCO, etc...
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:44 PM (OsWis)
The CG has a Twitter handle.
@CGArmyROTC
Jus sayin.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 09:48 PM (V+kmg)
Because that war is over, the South lost, the Confederacy was in the wrong - proven by force majeure.
Arguing it is attempting to give legitimacy to an insurrection which was by definition evil by the lights, standards, laws, customs, and ethics of today. By giving such an organization any support is first a moral wrong of such villainy that it corrupts all other aspects of your argument and immediately drags it all into the mud. No matter what your point - it must and should be made with the assumption that the Confederacy is a dead and ugly aberration and a stain on the honor of our civilization.
Want to talk limited government? You don't need to start with a sloppy blowjob to the corpse of slavers, traitors, and murderers called the Confederacy.
You can instead start with the Federalist Papers and avoid all that sick ugliness.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 09:48 PM (S8V5R)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:48 PM (ztOda)
A war-happy nation that can't win a fight it starts does not deserve to exist.
And so it does not. Fools who sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:49 PM (0NdlF)
Unfortunately, the Bluebloods on our side are part and parcel of the same corrupt enterprise, and will defend the revenue stream right along their side.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 20, 2015 09:50 PM (6E7W2)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 09:50 PM (zOTsN)
Probably a good thing since I went $75 over what I wanted to bid.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 09:03 PM (fCXCT)
*******
Check out a service called AuctionSnipe.com . you enter your Max Bid and in the last three to five seconds they bid on your behalf.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at April 20, 2015 09:50 PM (XrHO0)
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 09:51 PM (S8V5R)
I may have been out for a while, but when did the regs change to where participation in political/SJW bullshit was required instead of prohibited when in uniform?
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:51 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:51 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: eleven at April 20, 2015 09:52 PM (MDgS8)
http://tinyurl.com/ksdx962
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 09:53 PM (kgisg)
Have you looked around lately?
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:51 PM (G2Ha/)
Obama following the example of his Democratic forerunners of JFK, FDR, Wilson, and those before.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:53 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:53 PM (G2Ha/)
http://tinyurl.com/ksdx962
-------------
Sorry, forgot title:
'The Confederacy as a Revolutionary Experience'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 09:54 PM (kgisg)
Period. There is no argument. Your stand was proven wrong by force majeure. Period.
I like my heels with extra neutral wax.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 09:54 PM (S8V5R)
I may have been out for a while, but when did the regs change to where participation in political/SJW bullshit was required instead of prohibited when in uniform?
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:51 PM (OsWis)
This is what happens when you put a Chemical Corps officer in charge.
http://tinyurl.com/ovynfsk
Just sayin
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 09:54 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: LIV at April 20, 2015 09:55 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 09:55 PM (zOTsN)
you board the boxcars and kneel at the edge of the pits. Seriously, we
can't telegraph our punches much more than we do now.
Posted by: The Left at April 20, 2015 07:40 PM (amQXf)
I won't. I won't kneel peacefully either. I know I'm gonna die, I'll die with your balls in my teeth.
Posted by: Weirddave at April 20, 2015 09:55 PM (WvS3w)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 09:56 PM (OsWis)
it was 'The Civil War', not the fucking War of Northern Aggression or War of Southern Secession or any of that crap.
Posted by: troyriser
The War of Northern Aggression.
There, made u cry.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 09:56 PM (kdS6q)
http://tinyurl.com/ovynfsk
I thought they ran the motor pool?
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:56 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Linda Richman at April 20, 2015 09:57 PM (cIoI4)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:58 PM (0NdlF)
I may have been out for a while, but when did the regs change to where participation in political/SJW bullshit was required instead of prohibited when in uniform?
Posted by: SMFH
The inflection point? Tailhook probably, so 91 - 92..
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 09:58 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Babs at April 20, 2015 09:58 PM (Dwehj)
So might makes right....that's your stand?
Then why even have laws?
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:59 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:59 PM (ztOda)
Women ruin everything. Emasculating soldiers helps defend our country, how?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:59 PM (0NdlF)
Fucking bullshit.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:00 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: toby928(C) whom we shall call 'Toby' for purposes of publication at April 20, 2015 10:00 PM (rwI+c)
Check out a service called AuctionSnipe.com . you enter your Max Bid and in the last three to five seconds they bid on your behalf.
You tipped me to this a couple of months ago. I was gonna do it but...
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 10:00 PM (fCXCT)
Good and evil are defined by who wins.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 20, 2015 10:01 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 10:01 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 09:56 PM (ztOda)
They were always the USR Officer in my units.
They could be trusted with that because, ultimately, the actual work was done by the S-1, S-3 and S-4.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:01 PM (V+kmg)
I must object to that part.
Good does not change. "of today" is irrelevant.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 10:02 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: SMFH
-----------------
Edited for completeness.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 10:02 PM (kgisg)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 10:02 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: DC in River City, temporary bachelor at April 20, 2015 10:02 PM (e+1S5)
Fucking bullshit.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:00 PM (OsWis)
No shit.
I note with some dismay, that the current Bn Cdrt at Temple Army ROTC is.....is.....is a tanker.
::: sob :::
Dempsey?!?!?!?! What the fuck did you do to my Army?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:03 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Sgt. Maj. Pajama Boy at April 20, 2015 10:03 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:04 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:05 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:05 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 10:05 PM (ztOda)
Suppose there was another civil war against "torture". Suppose you were on the losing side of that. The future histories would show "Zero Dark Thirty" to an audience of captive students as evidence of your evil forevermore.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 20, 2015 10:05 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 10:02 PM (ztOda)
Ha! Thanks for that inspiration to mess with my Redleg coworkers.
Posted by: Country Singer at April 20, 2015 10:05 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 20, 2015 10:06 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:06 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Feh at April 20, 2015 10:06 PM (Uk9e2)
to 12 then the taxes deducted would be close to 0. So for the next tax
term just send a letter 'fuck you, fuck your ideas and go fuck yourself.
Just sayin...
Posted by: Conductor Crazy Train at April 20, 2015 06:46 PM (XYKz+)
Have fun with that penalty for "significantly under-reporting of tax liability" and automatic adjustment of your withholding for 5 years. And the big black mark you get in your permanent file that will affect any and all appeals.
Dickhead. Only approved minorities can get away with that shjt.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2015 10:06 PM (t//F+)
I got so sick of looking at used pc's I just said screw it and finally bought one. I think I got something a little better (and a few dollars cheaper) than the Latitude I wanted, except for the size of the ssd and it has dreaded Windows 8.
This was a top-tier pc...back in 2011:
Dell XPS L501X 15.6" (1080p), i7 core Intel 2.66ghz, 8gb, 120gb SSD, 2nd HDD Caddy, Windows 8, DVD drive. --- for $362 delivered to my door.
What do you think?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 10:06 PM (fCXCT)
cadets don't know their asshole from a hole in the ground.
The cadre, officers and NCOs alike...
Fuckers.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:06 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2015 06:48 PM (mGBKM)
I've typed up at least 6 or 8 comments, and deleted all but one or two. This of course is why the WI police served these warrants in the daytime and not at 2 AM.
Posted by: Advo at April 20, 2015 10:07 PM (7hUS8)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 10:05 PM (ztOda)
Yeah.
I was once the recruiting officer for that brigade. I had all the school from Hofstra down through New Jersey and all of Pennsylvania.
Temple cadets were my perpetual problem children.
They. Sucked.
Shit, even the Cadets at Valley Forge Military Academy - which was only a 2 year school - were better products than Temple dolts.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:07 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:07 PM (zOTsN)
Thanks for the good conversation/debate Monster, Cussword, Troy.
Always learn a lot from the Horde. I still think Lincoln sowed the seeds for the troubles of today (and yes, the secesionists too by forcing his hand). It feels if whoever said it earlier (lauren, I think) may have had it right. Slavery was our original sin and seems we are doomed for it even to this day.
Too bad really...our constitution could actually work to bring disparate people together if it was actually followed. Without it, I fear the worst. I wish I had Grandpas hope.
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 10:07 PM (G2Ha/)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:07 PM (OsWis)
I have to say, I'm excited. 8 gigs of memory!! I'm using 384K right now.
And I'm really looking forward to having a SSD. For what, I don't know.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 10:08 PM (fCXCT)
cadets don't know their asshole from a hole in the ground.
The cadre, officers and NCOs alike...
Fuckers.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:06 PM (OsWis)
You know, I have to ask, what would have been the problem with telling Cadets, "You WILL attend, but you attend upholding Army standards,"
Seriously, what would have been the problem with that?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:09 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Babs at April 20, 2015 10:09 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: FITP at April 20, 2015 09:51 PM (G2Ha/)
I'm pretty sure the Founders from both North and South, if magically made alive again, would all agree that it is perfectly okay to resist communists. They may not be familiar with the term but would immediately understand the concept. It's an old concept: I eat the bread you make.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 10:09 PM (xGxjq)
You did good
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:09 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:09 PM (zOTsN)
They are generally refurbs from outside vendors
(amalgamated consolidated gets new computers, the company that sells them the new towers takes the old ones and refurbs them and sells them)
Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2015 10:10 PM (t//F+)
Posted by: Feh at April 20, 2015 10:06 PM (Uk9e2)
I'd come up with something snarky, but....I don't even....
I'm all out of evens.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:10 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Eromero at April 20, 2015 10:11 PM (go5uR)
I wonder how many profiles got issued for twisted ankles...
Posted by: Country Singer at April 20, 2015 10:11 PM (nL0sw)
Back to writing for me.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 10:11 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 09:55 PM (zOTsN)
Otherwise known as "Monday".
Posted by: rickl at April 20, 2015 10:12 PM (sdi6R)
Also he could download win10
It's still beta though
My nephew says the drivers work okay
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:12 PM (3sozU)
This shit is the reason why.
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 10:12 PM (ztOda)
This shit is the reason why.
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 10:12 PM (ztOda)
an insurrection which was by definition evil by the lights, standards, laws, customs, and ethics of today.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword
Gosh, after 1000s of years of searching, by philosophers, sages and prophets, you're the one who discovered the true and absolute definition of evil.
Care to share it. so we too may be enlightened as to how we may -- nay must -- evaluate the world today and the actions of the past?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 10:12 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:09 PM (zOTsN)
Well, if there's anyone who would be an expert on that, it would be the USAF types.
Oh hai, ThunderB!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:12 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:12 PM (zOTsN)
July 4, 2015.
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 20, 2015 10:13 PM (QLqUE)
Go Navy!!!!
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:13 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 10:14 PM (oEMN+)
Soothsayer, try looking at BestBuy. They have used boxes there and some are running 7.
Thanks, but my search is over. The Woot site Nip linked to yesterday is pretty decent for prices.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 10:14 PM (fCXCT)
Go Navy!!!!
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:13 PM (3sozU)
Indeed, go Navy! We've been that way for years!!!
Posted by: BUPERS at April 20, 2015 10:14 PM (V+kmg)
It's still beta though
My nephew says the drivers work okay
Remote Desktop doesn't work at all, at this juncture. Jes' sayin'...
Posted by: Babs at April 20, 2015 10:14 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:14 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:14 PM (3sozU)
I would have said the same thing to my joes.
I don't see where the problem with that.
I'd also print out that little section of AR 670-1 where it goes into detail the appropriate footwear while wearing the ACU and have that shit laminated.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:14 PM (OsWis)
Who wants popcorn?
*doesn't mention that my beloved Corps is heading down the same path*
Posted by: DC in River City, temporary bachelor at April 20, 2015 10:15 PM (e+1S5)
My dad is busting a gut right now and having a fucking field day on FB with the trash talk.
*pours shot*
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:16 PM (OsWis)
The navy is smart enough to keep Chiefs away from the academy
We have to wait till they get to the ship to crush their souls
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:16 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:14 PM (OsWis)
Somewhere in there is an NCO who said, "The FUCK I'll march like that!!! .............SIR!"
Posted by: BUPERS at April 20, 2015 10:16 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:18 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:18 PM (OsWis)
Looks good to me, cheaper than what I got my Mom last Black Friday. SSDs are awesome, though it'd be nice to have 16 GB of RAM.
Another plus is that you'll be able to upgrade to Win 10 for free in a little bit, and that's supposed to be better than Win 8.
Look into Classic Shell to make Win 8 more palatable. Makes a Win7 type of interface the default.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 10:19 PM (0NdlF)
Maybe teach them football too
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:19 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:18 PM (zOTsN)
You know, I had a little exposure to Dempsey in Iraq. I thought he was the most competent of the stars there at the time. (This included Petraeus and Odierno in 2003-2004)
He sure went native in a hurry upon returning to DC.
Fuck that guy.
Posted by: BUPERS at April 20, 2015 10:20 PM (V+kmg)
Dempsey is the type of general who would keep feeding troops to the meat grinder I fear. In a Sisyphusian attempt to provide good optics to the Turd in Chief.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 10:20 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:20 PM (V+kmg)
Let's all shake hands and agree that Dempsey is a fucking disgrace.
Posted by: ThunderB
On March 16, 2011, the Senate confirmed Dempsey's nomination as Army Chief of Staff by unanimous consent.
Ur welcome.
Posted by: The Senate GOP
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 10:20 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: DC in River City, temporary bachelor at April 20, 2015 10:21 PM (e+1S5)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 20, 2015 10:21 PM (xQfPr)
Red Leg Inn. If the place is still there. Raise a 3-2 Budwiser and
listen to the kabooms.
I was at Ft. Sill in 73 and did some running in Lawton. I hope it's changed since then.
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 10:21 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:22 PM (3sozU)
We need to alert the citizenry, those of us who are left, to this STASI-like abuse of power. They are conducting a Reign of Terror right in our midst!
The scariest part? the vivid descriptions by the innocent victims of the dawn raids by huge police armed teams.
Lead with that, not the dispassionate description of the case -- and by God put it out there everywhere you can.
God help us.
Posted by: Beverly at April 20, 2015 10:22 PM (IOCUv)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:23 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Gen. Dempsey at April 20, 2015 10:23 PM (Dwehj)
Ugggh
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:23 PM (3sozU)
I wouldn't worry too much...
If they send in the Army, just trip them.
Carrying gear while in 4 inch stilettos shouldn't be all that difficult to defeat.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:24 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 10:21 PM (ahBY0)
Well, if you consider moving ADA there, it's changed.
Posted by: Country Singer at April 20, 2015 10:24 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Gen. Dempsey at April 20, 2015 10:23 PM (Dwehj)
But what about caaaaaaaaakeesssss?!??!?!?
Posted by: SPC Tiffany McRugmunch at April 20, 2015 10:24 PM (V+kmg)
Look into Classic Shell to make Win 8 more palatable. Makes a Win7 type of interface the default.
This could come in handy, thanks.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 10:25 PM (fCXCT)
0.o
MILITARIZED THUG COPS!!!!!11!!!
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:25 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:24 PM (OsWis)
Hmmmm.
The thought of a combat drop at 500 feet with full load...in those heels?
Ouch
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:25 PM (V+kmg)
That must be the reason I once tutored an ossifer who was shocked to find the men though he as an asshole. He asked me 'Chief, why do the men think I'm an asshole?' I said "Because you are an asshole. Or at least you act like one. Sir.'
Posted by: Eromero at April 20, 2015 10:25 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: Gen. Dempsey at April 20, 2015 10:26 PM (Dwehj)
95% of my pc use is internet surfing -- which is 95% spent at AoS
All I want is fast pc that doesn't freeze every time I move the damn pointer or switch tabs.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 10:26 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Country Singer at April 20, 2015 10:26 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 20, 2015 10:27 PM (xQfPr)
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 10:27 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 10:27 PM (oEMN+)
Hello. Actually you do have things in common with NeverGiveup, JJ. Sefton, Charlie Brown's Dildo and. myself-all of who live in NYC or rather close to it. :^
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2015 10:27 PM (DXzRD)
In August 2011, General Dempsey was confirmed by unanimous consent to succeed Admiral Mike Mullen as the next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Because he is just so awesome.
Ur welcome.
Posted by: The Senate GOP
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 10:28 PM (kdS6q)
A nice soul crusher!
Was he smart enough to shut up and go sign the PMS boards and stay in his stateroom?
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:28 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: Gen. Dempsey at April 20, 2015 10:28 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:59 PM (0NdlF)
*********
It makes them more docile, hence able and willing to follow orders. If I were General, I'd try to emasculate them too.
Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 20, 2015 10:28 PM (3F6F8)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2015 10:29 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: ThunderB at April 20, 2015 10:29 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 20, 2015 10:29 PM (jeCnD)
You made some good points. Yes, the targeting of the T partee certainly had a chilling impact. And it definitely had an impact on the election for sure.
Posted by: Mistress O at April 20, 2015 10:29 PM (2/oBD)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster
-----------------------
Defense is no longer the primary mission.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, premptively at April 20, 2015 10:29 PM (kgisg)
Yeah I'm not gonna store a lot on the ssd -- but I will be downloading lots of tv shows and movies right to a flash drive which I then watch on my television monitor.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 10:29 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:30 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 20, 2015 10:29 PM (jeCnD)
::: shudder :::
Gonna need to drop me with a cargo chute then if I'm going to have to wear those.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:30 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:31 PM (3sozU)
Posted by: Kal at April 20, 2015 10:31 PM (13G+x)
In Aug 2013 the U.S. Senate has confirmed U.S. Army Gen. Martin Dempsey for a second two-year term as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman by unanimous consent.
We <3 Dempsey
Posted by: The Senate GOP
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 10:32 PM (kdS6q)
For storing video, an external HD is cheaper and better performance than a flash drive.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 10:33 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 10:33 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2015 10:29 PM (DXzRD)
He's close. REAL close . . .
(I have no friggin' clue, but he is here)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 10:34 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 20, 2015 10:31 PM (3sozU)
I guess it's true then.
New song of the 82d Airborne:
http://tinyurl.com/lnja57r
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2015 10:34 PM (V+kmg)
Just AIT with Pershings then but I meant the times we had in Lawton.
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 10:35 PM (ahBY0)
President DC's first executive order will be to change the name back to the War Department. Or better yet, the Department of Fucking Shit Up and Killing People.
It's good to have your mission statement front and center. Focus and clarity are important.
Posted by: DC in River City, temporary bachelor at April 20, 2015 10:35 PM (e+1S5)
I'll answer your question even though you think it not answerable - it is evil to turn a person into a commodity and to take liberty without recourse to the law.
If you disagree, please take two heaping handfuls of poison and die spitting in a ditch. Slavers deserve graves of dogshit.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 20, 2015 10:35 PM (S8V5R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 10:36 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obola at April 20, 2015 10:36 PM (Tuqq9)
I guess relying on Oathkeepers just isn't going to cut it. I guess we need The Rule of Law, after all.
In these cases, an obviously unconstitutional law was followed in service to a rogue State, helmed by one corrupt man.
Oh, goodie.
Posted by: Kirk at April 20, 2015 10:37 PM (GBnWt)
Make the other countries whimper and seek safe rooms.
We are pleased to announce your application for Warlord of Western Europe has been approved! We are sure you will be a perfect fit for our organization, and look forward to seeing your results firsthand at the earliest opportunity.
You start tomorrow. Salary and benefits package to be commiserate with your extensive experience in causing chaos and destruction.
Welcome aboard.
Posted by: DC in River City, temporary bachelor at April 20, 2015 10:41 PM (e+1S5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 10:41 PM (St6BJ)
630. ???
The Bears linebacker I think?
What's up with him?
Died in his sleep last night. Yep, baddass linebacker who was with Butkus and O'Bradovich on those teams in the early sixties. The last Bear to play for Halas. He did radio here with O'Bradovich.
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 10:42 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 10:46 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 20, 2015 08:26 PM (wC8Vl)
Why is it scarier coming from me?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at April 20, 2015 10:46 PM (cv6Ng)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 10:47 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:48 PM (OsWis)
I kinda have an idea what a HDD caddy is, but not really. It comes with one, and I think I might get some use out of it.
Posted by: All 2014 Soothsayers Must Go Clearance Sale! at April 20, 2015 10:48 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 10:50 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 10:27 PM (ahBY0)
****
That sucks. My Dad knew Doug and also played sotballl with Eddie O in Park Ridge.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at April 20, 2015 10:50 PM (cIoI4)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 10:50 PM (oEMN+)
Slavers deserve graves of dogshit.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Demosthenes
Benjamin Franklin
Abraham
....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 10:52 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 10:52 PM (0NdlF)
The thought of a combat drop at 500 feet with full load...in those heels?
Ouch
Posted by: Sean Bannion
"Balls of the feet"...heels no problem.
Not that I'm defending that choice in footwear....
Posted by: Oedipus at April 20, 2015 10:52 PM (CXLVd)
Posted by: AltonJackson at April 20, 2015 10:54 PM (KCxzN)
unrestricted immigration?
jesus, what the fucking fuck.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 20, 2015 10:56 PM (bCJvd)
unrestricted immigration?
jesus, what the fucking fuck.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 20, 2015 10:56 PM (bCJvd)
Sounded like quite a guy on his show. The whole day they had guys calling in and telling stories. I guess he had heart troubles. You from up around Touhy Ave? I wish I knew some of those old timers.
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 10:56 PM (ahBY0)
Is Win 8 Pro any less sucky than 8?
Posted by: All 2014 Soothsayers Must Go Clearance Sale! at April 20, 2015 10:57 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 20, 2015 10:57 PM (kivUY)
Names, pictures. that kind of thing.
Posted by: Hoerscht Wechtler at April 20, 2015 10:58 PM (ZTXCM)
When I used to blog, people would give me shit about using a pseudonym.
This is yet another reason why I did.
Posted by: S at April 20, 2015 10:59 PM (eVwne)
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 10:56 PM (ahBY0)
Grew up not far from Touhy and Western where the Y is, and our sledding hill and community pool. Our house was one block from Maine South High School.,
O'Bradovich was kind of a pompous jerk, but got better once you knew him a while. Buffone was a good guy from the word go.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at April 20, 2015 11:00 PM (3F6F8)
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 20, 2015 11:00 PM (JO9+V)
This is just going to get worse, otherwise.
Posted by: East Bay KG at April 20, 2015 11:01 PM (YUrE9)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 11:03 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 20, 2015 11:03 PM (kivUY)
---
None. Government immunity.
Posted by: People Corp at April 20, 2015 11:03 PM (TzeLs)
Posted by: People Corp at April 20, 2015 11:05 PM (TzeLs)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 11:05 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: BB WOLF at April 20, 2015 11:05 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 11:05 PM (G+uBk)
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 20, 2015 11:00 PM
Well that just sucks. It's the best ice cream in the country.
Posted by: AltonJackson at April 20, 2015 11:06 PM (KCxzN)
Is it just me, or does anyone else sense that this is going to be an epic republican landslide. Might even get California.
Posted by: People Corp
It's just you.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 11:06 PM (kdS6q)
>>Look into Classic Shell to make Win 8 more palatable. Makes a Win7 type of interface the default.
This could come in handy, thanks.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 10:25 PM (fCXCT)
But... I mentioned Classic Shell 4 hours ago in this very thread.
/sobs into pillow
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 20, 2015 11:06 PM (l3LvV)
hill and community pool. Our house was one block from Maine South High
School.,
O'Bradovich was kind of a pompous jerk, but got better once you knew him a while. Buffone was a good guy from the word go.
Nice, guys were literally breaking up all day over Buffone. The old Blackhawks all lived around me but never knew any. Got my hair cut once with Mikita is all I got. Those kind of guys aren't around anymore that I can see.
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 11:07 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Piercello at April 20, 2015 11:08 PM (QJCCx)
Posted by: Count de Monet
Who's Lysteria and why she taking all the ice cream?
Posted by: LIV at April 20, 2015 11:08 PM (GuwT9)
Fuck lysteria.*
*what's the incubation period for lysteria?
Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 20, 2015 11:08 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 20, 2015 11:06 PM (kdS6q)
----
Well I'm saving this page anyway. :-)
Posted by: People Corp at April 20, 2015 11:08 PM (TzeLs)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 20, 2015 11:09 PM (HCEgT)
But... I mentioned Classic Shell 4 hours ago in this very thread.
4 hours ago??? Is this thread that old?!?
Posted by: All 2014 Soothsayers Must Go Clearance Sale! at April 20, 2015 11:10 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Robinson at April 20, 2015 11:13 PM (5gToQ)
Posted by: more LIV at April 20, 2015 11:13 PM (PxRii)
Anywhere from 2-70 days. Eat it fast before it goes bad.
/kidding
Posted by: Aviator at April 20, 2015 11:13 PM (sQzB6)
The recall is for all products in all markets.
I have a sadz.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 20, 2015 11:13 PM (JO9+V)
I think it's just you. I'm starting to think moving to the wilds of western kentucky happened at a good time for me.
I drive. A lot. And around here, I'm constantly thinking "man, it would be pure hell to assault that place." Miles and miles of miles and miles, as they say.
Posted by: DC in River City, temporary bachelor at April 20, 2015 11:14 PM (e+1S5)
Nobel and Pulitzer Prize winning author Toni Morrison took a harsh view on the issue of racial disparities in the justice system during a recent interview.
People keep saying, 'We need to have a conversation about race,’ she says now.
This is the conversation.
I want to see a cop shoot a white unarmed teenager in the back, Morrison says finally.
And I want to see a white man convicted for raping a black woman.
Then when you ask me, 'Is it over?’, I will say yes.
I want to see.
WHAT THE FUCK
Posted by: Ira Weatheral at April 20, 2015 11:14 PM (qry2M)
The answer to this is to publicize all gag orders and the subjects therein, along with the names of everyone involved in issuing them.
Addresses too, if available.
Posted by: Methos at April 20, 2015 11:14 PM (ZbV+0)
You sure you're remembering right? I always thought Milwaukee was like Detroit west. I don't remember seeing anything but crumbling concrete and weeds.
Posted by: dartist at April 20, 2015 11:15 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 20, 2015 09:20 PM (0NdlF)
Or, the majority votes itself out.
Posted by: exsanguine at April 20, 2015 11:53 PM (V0oj4)
*cough* Passage of Obamacare *cough*
*cough* NRA *cough*
*cough* "Patriot Act" *cough*
*cough* Thanks George Bush *cough*
I must have a cold.
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