Former FBI Agent, Dissenter on Alleged Anthrax Mailer Bruce Ivins' Likely Guilt, Files Lawsuit Against Bureau, Claiming Whistleblower Retaliation

He says it's possible Bruce Ivins did it, but he's not convinced, and, either way, the FBI would not have been able to get a conviction against him, because while it was smearing Ivins' name with a (post-death) document dump of disparaging information, it was concealing from the public a pile of exculpatory evidence.

If you've never bought into the FBI's "We Got 'im" claims on the Anthrax mailer -- which always seemed to me to be opportunistically pegging an unsolved, and thus embarrassing, matter on a dead man -- you might want to read this.

When Bruce E. Ivins, an Army microbiologist, took a fatal overdose of Tylenol in 2008, the government declared that he had been responsible for the anthrax letter attacks of 2001, which killed five people and set off a nationwide panic, and closed the case.
Now, a former senior F.B.I. agent who ran the anthrax investigation for four years says that the bureau gathered "a staggering amount of exculpatory evidence" regarding Dr. Ivins that remains secret. The former agent, Richard L. Lambert, who spent 24 years at the F.B.I., says he believes it is possible that Dr. Ivins was the anthrax mailer, but he does not think prosecutors could have convicted him had he lived to face criminal charges.
In a lawsuit filed in federal court in Tennessee last Thursday, Mr. Lambert accused the bureau of trying "to railroad the prosecution of Ivins" and, after his suicide, creating "an elaborate perception management campaign" to bolster its claim that he was guilty.

He alleges that the FBI has taken actions against him to punish him for previously speaking out about his doubts.

Apparently the government will not release the exculpatory evidence because the Privacy Act forbids disclosures about government workers!

It must be remembered that the FBI had leaked damaging information about, and harassed, another government lab worker it believed (wrongly) to be the Anthrax mailer -- Stephen Hatfill.

I get an Amanda Knox feeling here -- oh well, our first government lab worker theory went awry; let's just substitute in this new government lab worker suspect.

Huh! Well, this LA Times article from 2011 is interesting for two reasons:

1. It makes Ivins sound more dangerous than I thought he was, more unstable.

2. It notes that the guy suing the FBI now was the guy who was set on Steven Hatfill as a suspect!

After the anthrax letters were mailed in September and October of 2001, the FBI for nearly five years pursued a former Army virologist, Steven Hatfill, as the prime suspect.
Hatfill had filled several prescriptions in 2001 for Cipro, an antibiotic effective against anthrax, among other infections. He had also boasted of his expertise in biological warfare.
Based on this and other information, inspector Richard Lambert, handpicked by FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to lead the investigation, was convinced that Hatfill was the perpetrator. With Mueller's backing, he drove his agents to find evidence to support an indictment against Hatfill. It never came.
On June 5, 2006, a visiting team of FBI employees arrived at the bureau's Washington Field Office for a long-scheduled audit of its general efficiency and effectiveness. A growing number of investigators were frustrated by Lambert's emphasis on Hatfill. They had felt powerless to do anything about it. Until now.
In a confidential report, the inspection team said more than 90% of the investigators on the anthrax case believed Lambert was concentrating on Hatfill to the exclusion of all other potential suspects. Lambert said the focus was never on one individual, exclusively.
In September 2006, Mueller replaced Lambert with two agents who had extensive backgrounds in criminal investigation, Edward Montooth and Vincent Lisi. A case that had foundered for years was reoriented: Investigators were told to focus on people who had verifiable access to a research batch of anthrax that geneticists had matched to the material used in the letter attacks.

So... I don't know. It seems like Lambert was set on Hatfill as a suspect, and that's why the FBI sidelined him.

For all I know, he's still set on Hatfill as a suspect.

Posted by: Ace at 05:15 PM

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1 Tylenol poisoning is the Chicago way.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 05:17 PM (rwI+c)

2 I'm beginning to think that, maybe, our Leviathan is not to be trusted.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 09, 2015 05:18 PM (1CroS)

3 I would like an Amanda Knox feeling. How can this be arranged?

Posted by: Furious George at April 09, 2015 05:18 PM (UlJ3l)

4 I didn't follow the case very closely, but pinning it on a dead man always felt very convenient. Move along, nothing to see. We've got the guy. Don't worry about it.

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2015 05:18 PM (MYCIw)

5 The Bureau always gets its man, one way or another.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 09, 2015 05:19 PM (8ZskC)

6 We've discussed this before, I think, but Tylenol poisoning is a really terrible way to die.

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2015 05:19 PM (MYCIw)

7 Richard Jewell was unavailable for comment.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 09, 2015 05:20 PM (8ZskC)

8 You're Government working for you.

Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at April 09, 2015 05:21 PM (Bn6aD)

9 Our ratchets only work one way. It's not just a promise, it's a guarantee!

Act NOW and get 10% off your next purchase.

Posted by: FBI, Inc. at April 09, 2015 05:21 PM (1CroS)

10 Conservative Monster said there was "noodity" here. Don't see it.

Posted by: itchytriggerfinger at April 09, 2015 05:21 PM (7csuM)

11 You're=your, damned fingers...

Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at April 09, 2015 05:21 PM (Bn6aD)

12 Top. Men.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 09, 2015 05:21 PM (GuwT9)

13 So... I don't know. It seems like Lambert was set on Hatfill as a suspect, and that's why the FBI sidelined him.

Hmm. Where does Scott Ritter fit into all of this?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 09, 2015 05:21 PM (8ZskC)

14 I was gang-raped by FBI agents as part of a secret initiation ceremony. At least, I'm pretty sure I was.

Posted by: Jackie at April 09, 2015 05:23 PM (8ZskC)

15 " but pinning it on a dead man always felt very convenient. "

Yeah. Unless/until it happens again. Whoopsie.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2015 05:24 PM (LA7Cm)

16 It was the one-armed man!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 09, 2015 05:24 PM (2Ojst)

17 So... I don't know. It seems like Lambert was set on Hatfill as a suspect, and that's why the FBI sidelined him.
Hmm. Where does Scott Ritter fit into all of this?

What does David Corn have to say about this?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 05:24 PM (HmfMS)

18 our security community is clusterfucked. has been for a long time. probably since clintoon's 2nd term, if not before.

I apologize to those doing the best they can under the circumstances; I know there are good people there.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at April 09, 2015 05:24 PM (A9KzJ)

19 Richard Allensworth Jewell (G-uilty) unavailable for comment.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 09, 2015 05:24 PM (xQX/f)

20 Hmm. Where does Scott Ritter fit into all of this?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)

Staking out the kindergarten.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 09, 2015 05:25 PM (GuwT9)

21 but pinning it on a dead man always felt very convenient. "

Yeah. Unless/until it happens again. Whoopsie.

They'll claim copycat.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 05:26 PM (HmfMS)

22 >>>Hmm. Where does Scott Ritter fit into all of this?

at the side table at the Burger King, scouting the talent in the Bouncy Castle.

Posted by: ace at April 09, 2015 05:26 PM (PA7DS)

23 Top Men all of them...

I thought Scott Ritter stalked out the playgrounds at Burger King?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 05:26 PM (VHZLH)

24 Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2015 05:19 PM (MYCIw)

yeah, you'd think a science nerd would have a smarter way to die than to empty all of the tylenol in his house in to his unsuspecting stomach.

But, who knows?

Anyways, that was like, 15 years ago, dudes.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 09, 2015 05:26 PM (AkOaV)

25 I don't know. I mean, wasn't this like a hundred years ago or something?

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2015 05:27 PM (/HX7u)

26 I believe if we dug deeper into this, we'd find, -- that's right, -- Haven Monahan.

Posted by: Fritz at April 09, 2015 05:27 PM (ty633)

27 Meanwhile, they don't know who the fuck did it.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 09, 2015 05:27 PM (oVJmc)

28 "They'll claim copycat."

Ah, yes.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2015 05:27 PM (LA7Cm)

29 I'm sure we can find him with just a leeeeeeetle more funding.

Posted by: The EffBeeYi at April 09, 2015 05:27 PM (oVJmc)

30 maybe we can get Samantha Earthly Ruckpin at Rolling Jones to investigate.

Posted by: Mallfly at April 09, 2015 05:28 PM (qSIlh)

31 2001? Boooosh did it!

Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at April 09, 2015 05:28 PM (Bn6aD)

32 I think I'll wait until this is Voxsplained to me.

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2015 05:29 PM (/HX7u)

33 Posted by: Fritz at April 09, 2015 05:27 PM (ty633)

Ah, good point.

Has anyone looking into the possibility that the whole anthrax thing was just an example of early internet catfishing?

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 09, 2015 05:29 PM (AkOaV)

34 Maybe Whitey Bulger did it, knowing his sweet FBI protection deal was going bai bai?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 05:29 PM (VHZLH)

35 Just filled a prescription for Cipro for my son who will take it with him while traveling to Asia this summer.

Posted by: NCKate at April 09, 2015 05:31 PM (Pf/z7)

36 Maybe Whitey Bulger did it, knowing his sweet FBI protection deal was going bai bai?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)

We usually blame whitey.

Posted by: Eric Holder at April 09, 2015 05:32 PM (GuwT9)

37 We only have one suspect, and we only drive Fords.

Posted by: Eferam Zimbalist, Jr. at April 09, 2015 05:32 PM (RzZOc)

38 34 Maybe Whitey Bulger did it, knowing his sweet FBI protection deal was going bai bai?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 05:29 PM (VHZLH)

Not as sweet as mine.

Posted by: Al Sharpton - Race Pimp Extraorinaire at April 09, 2015 05:33 PM (48QDY)

39 I want to believe.

Posted by: Fox Mulder at April 09, 2015 05:33 PM (nbGZj)

40 Dumping race baiter sock.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 09, 2015 05:34 PM (48QDY)

41 I haven't trusted anybody in government for a long time. And it has only got worse since the choom entered office.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 09, 2015 05:34 PM (wlDny)

42 It was definitely a government employee infidels.

Posted by: That 9/11 hijacker with an anthrax lesion on his leg at April 09, 2015 05:34 PM (78TbK)

43 Ot was those Duke boys!
-Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 05:34 PM (HmfMS)

44 A case that had foundered for years was reoriented: Investigators were told to focus on people who had verifiable access to a research batch of anthrax that geneticists had matched to the material used in the letter attacks.

They weren't already doing that?

Sheesh, as dumb as I am, that would've been the first place I'da looked.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 09, 2015 05:35 PM (0HooB)

45 You know, I could never figure this case. There has to be, at most,a few hundred people in the U.S. that knew how to do the Anthrax thing. It was a specific strain, from a specific place. Ergo, the absolute number of people that could pull it off must have been staggeringly low - maybe a dozen? Seems like a decent investigation of that dozen would yield the suspect pretty quick.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at April 09, 2015 05:35 PM (/EkKm)

46 It was those Duke boys!
-Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 05:35 PM (HmfMS)

47 Didn't they have a case against Richard Jewell, he did die I believe from all the pressure the FBI applied to him. If he would have killed himself they would have shut that case down.

Hatfill talked about how the FBI made his life a living hell, talking to his employer and friends on how much of a murder he is and do you have any info on how they could put him away, and he talked about how he had thoughts on killing himself because of all the pressure.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 09, 2015 05:36 PM (CxEX+)

48 And the FBI's so-called reputation for always getting their man and being a professional organization that is really good at tracking criminals is also crap. They build their reputation by moving into a local crime and taking credit for local police efforts.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 09, 2015 05:36 PM (wlDny)

49 The FBI always ~~gets its man~~ somebody.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 09, 2015 05:37 PM (xQX/f)

50 Anyone with an Anthrax tee shirt from the previous century is a prime suspect.

Wayne n' Garth hardest hit.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 09, 2015 05:37 PM (RzZOc)

51 True Story: My nephew worked for USAMRIID with Bruce Ivins. He was very skeptical that Bruce was the guy. He did say that Bruce was an oddball.

Posted by: Witchfinder at April 09, 2015 05:38 PM (E1Cat)

52 It was a specific strain, from a specific place. Ergo, the absolute
number of people that could pull it off must have been staggeringly low -
maybe a dozen
***
Wasn't it established that there was a good chance that was the same strain provided to Iraq before we shut down their access to American medical researchers?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 09, 2015 05:38 PM (78TbK)

53 46 It was those Duke boys!
-Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane
Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 05:35 PM (HmfMS)

Zombie Roscoe, at least.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at April 09, 2015 05:38 PM (vgIRn)

54 It was the cows, man. I can remember watching Saturday morning Westerns and cows were always getting anthrax.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 05:39 PM (HmfMS)

55 It was the cows, man. I can remember watching Saturday morning Westerns and cows were always getting anthrax.
Posted by: rickb223

We told you to eat more chicken but you wouldn't listen! Well You're listening now!

Posted by: Cows at April 09, 2015 05:42 PM (GuwT9)

56 It's a very small number of people with access to this anthrax

Didn't the FBI lab have a huge scandel during this period?

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 05:42 PM (zOTsN)

57 "Anyone with an Anthrax tee shirt from the previous century is a prime suspect."

Wayne n' Garth hardest hit.
-Posted by: Jim at April 09, 2015 05:37 PM (RzZOc)

Efilnikufesin
-Wake up dead
-With Tylenol head
-Six feet from the rest of your life

-When all you could see
-Was a guilty plea
-F.B.I.

Nicefuckinlife!

Posted by: Slapweasel (T) at April 09, 2015 05:43 PM (16bOT)

58 My brother Harry was the anthrax mailer. He will claim that he had all that cipro to cure the usual urinary tract infections he gets from buggering all those little boys. That's only part of the reason he keeps so much cipro around.

Now it's time for Harry to prove his innocence or else go to jail.

Posted by: Larry Reid, Ready to Party at April 09, 2015 05:43 PM (UlJ3l)

59 ***caagg, snort***

Anthrax!

Posted by: Keith Richard at April 09, 2015 05:44 PM (jK/XP)

60 Ha! I wasn't killed outside the Biograph. I lived until 1980 in Mexico. Also, J. Edgar Hoover was a fairy.

Posted by: Zombie John Dillinger at April 09, 2015 05:44 PM (nc+gz)

61 This isn't confirmed yet, but I see that there may or may not be a Bruce Ivins involved with the Tea Party at that location.

Posted by: Brian Ross at April 09, 2015 05:44 PM (F6KtL)

62 52
It was a specific strain, from a specific place. Ergo, the absolute

number of people that could pull it off must have been staggeringly low -

maybe a dozen
***
Wasn't it established that there was a good
chance that was the same strain provided to Iraq before we shut down
their access to American medical researchers?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 09, 2015 05:38 PM (78TbK)

it was stated that it was a research sample that they would send to any lab that wanted it. I think there were doubts on the DNA testing of his samples and those found in the mail.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 09, 2015 05:44 PM (CxEX+)

63 The FBI always gets its ~~man~~ somebody.
Posted by: SE
--------------

No shit.
Now I'm dead.
It's not like stress had anything to do with it.

Posted by: Richard Jewell at April 09, 2015 05:44 PM (F2IAQ)

64
Which one harassed sorority girls?

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 09, 2015 05:45 PM (iQIUe)

65 They build their reputation by moving into a local crime and taking credit for local police efforts.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 09, 2015 05:36 PM (wlDny)

Yeah. So Die Hard was really nonfiction.

I can go with that.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 09, 2015 05:45 PM (48QDY)

66 The real perp is suppressed because it would be damaging to Israel and indirectly to the case for war with Iraq.

Search Ketcham Hatfill Anthrax Files

Posted by: bjk at April 09, 2015 05:45 PM (n/Sb3)

67
Israel harassed sorority girls?

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 09, 2015 05:47 PM (iQIUe)

68 I was processing a pharmacist/shoplifter for discharge when he killed himself. Tylenol. Cheap, easy, and eve if they pump your stomach you will die because your liver is destroyed

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 05:47 PM (zOTsN)

69 If this were a thriller, I would say lambert did it. And faked the other guys suicide as part of the coverup.

As for reality, who the hell knows...

Posted by: Lea at April 09, 2015 05:47 PM (vmMMi)

70 I also heard anthrax can give you asthma

Posted by: Barack Obama, Genius at Large at April 09, 2015 05:47 PM (F6KtL)

71 Larry Reid, Ready to Party

Looking good, Harry! How ya doin'?

Posted by: Sandy Duncan at April 09, 2015 05:48 PM (xQX/f)

72 Also he always worked with a WET form of Anthrax and the stuff in the mail was a dry form and grinned from of Anthrax that he never worked with.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 09, 2015 05:50 PM (CxEX+)

73 It does not appear that he had the technological sophistication to
manufacture this super weapons-grade anthrax, which would have included
aerosolization, silicon coating, and an electrostatic charge. Jeffrey
Adamovicz, who directed the bacteriology division at Fort Detrick in
2003 and 2004, told McClatchy that the anthrax mailed to Sen. Tom
Daschle was so concentrated and so consistent and so clean that I would
assert that Bruce could not have done that part.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 09, 2015 05:52 PM (CxEX+)

74 ThunderB, this might help about the FBI labs having issues

http://www.crimemagazine.com/tainting-evidence-inside-scandals-fbi-crime-lab

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 05:52 PM (VHZLH)

75 -If I tell ya what I'm doing today
-Will you get another rube to frame
-Someone ask me how much time it is, don't know
-Only know I gotta go now

No time tryin' to figure out where I've been
No time, loaded up acetaminophen
Little ringin' on the telephone
Oh, no, hear a ringin' in my head now

Prison time tick-tick-tickin' in my head
*TIME!*
Prison time tick-tick-tickin' in my head
*TIME*

Tickin' in my heyeah-yeahd!

Posted by: Scott Ian (T) at April 09, 2015 05:53 PM (16bOT)

76 The government is incompetent, untrustworthy and dedicated to grinding its citizens under its heel.

Posted by: Null at April 09, 2015 05:54 PM (xjpRj)

77 Spoiled the argument with the gratuitous Amanda Knox reference. Italian justice is screwy, as is most of Europe's, although better than Cuba's or China's, but that crazy bitch is guilty as hell.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 09, 2015 05:56 PM (QIQ6j)

78 Top.Men.And women.And transgenders.Crap,I need a list of the approved sexes.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 05:56 PM (KETbL)

79 There's just no possible way that any of this could happen in America.

Posted by: Lee Greenwood, who can't be reached for comment at April 09, 2015 05:58 PM (amQXf)

80 Pretty simple to me.

Posted by: X and Y at April 09, 2015 05:59 PM (3qzvi)

81 Conservative Monster said there was "noodity" here. Don't see it.

Posted by: itchytriggerfinger at April 09, 2015 05:21 PM (7csuM)

It's a nood.

If you want the other sort, the Internet's that a way. Or bring your own. Or hang out in the Barrel. I hear they have good magazines in there.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 09, 2015 05:59 PM (0NdlF)

82 @78: "Crap,I need a list of the approved sexes."

There are really only 3: evil oppressors; blessed goddesses; and oppressed snowflakes.

Posted by: Emily Post at April 09, 2015 06:00 PM (amQXf)

83 @1: "Tylenol poisoning is the Chicago way."

Actually, the Chicago way is poisoning Tylenol.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 09, 2015 06:01 PM (amQXf)

84 Is Som Tawyer back again?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 09, 2015 06:01 PM (Yp6Vn)

85 Richard Jewell

Posted by: Mr Wizard at April 09, 2015 06:01 PM (eOpVe)

86 but that crazy bitch is guilty as hell.

Posted by: Adjoran

Do you at least get super-retard strength with your brain damage?

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 06:02 PM (rwI+c)

87 Hey, hey, any comment of catering a gay wedding???

Any?

HELLO???

THIS STORY IS IMPORTANT!!

THEY REFUSED TO CATER A GAY WEDDING!!!1!111!

Posted by: Alyssa Marino at April 09, 2015 06:02 PM (F6KtL)

88 @13: "Where does Scott Ritter fit into all of this?"

You don't want to know, and I really don't want to break out the doll and explain it to you.

Posted by: A 6 year old on the Internet at April 09, 2015 06:02 PM (amQXf)

89 OT but just saw a link to an article on hotair that said "Julian Castro is in VP training camp."

I knew it. KNEW IT. THey want the commie Castros.

If you think Obama is bad...

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2015 06:02 PM (MYCIw)

90 Lauren you have been saying this for months. La Raza in the White House

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 06:03 PM (zOTsN)

91 I got nothing.

Posted by: @votermom at April 09, 2015 06:03 PM (/xZ7O)

92
What's with all the trolls?

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 09, 2015 06:04 PM (iQIUe)

93 Heh. Roadhouse just started on CMT - I hope Bill Murray is watching so he can make that famous phone call.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 09, 2015 06:04 PM (DHTbM)

94 I don't know if I should be concerned...but ace is talking about monkey balls on twitter.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 09, 2015 06:05 PM (OsWis)

95 but that crazy bitch

If the usa put women in prison based on sanity, we'd be running out of cells. Geez, give me some smoking gun. There's nothing there 'cept air

Posted by: se pa moron at April 09, 2015 06:05 PM (xQX/f)

96 Richard Jewell
Posted by: Mr Wizard
--------------

Yeah..., well now he's dead..., and there ain't a damn thing he can do to us. Dead men have no standing in court.

Posted by: Atlanta Constitution at April 09, 2015 06:05 PM (F2IAQ)

97 heya chi...lol

Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 09, 2015 06:05 PM (OsWis)

98 Or hang out in the Barrel. I hear they have good magazines in there.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 09, 2015 05:59 PM (0NdlF)

No. No they don't.

*shudders* *crawls under desk* *sobs quietly*

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at April 09, 2015 06:05 PM (vgIRn)

99 I kinda like Black Sabbath better than Anthrax, but YMMV ...

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at April 09, 2015 06:05 PM (nSOh+)

100 If you think Obama is bad...

Oh, there's a lot more than just thinking TFG is the worst preezy I've ever seen. Pretty much every standard that's ever been used to measure anything in this dimension says the same thing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 09, 2015 06:05 PM (0HooB)

101 @46: "It was those Duke boys!"
-Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane

Good news, you've been replaced by a diversity hire, courtesy of Reichsfuehrer Erich Holder!

Posted by: Roscoe P. Soultrain at April 09, 2015 06:06 PM (amQXf)

102 Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2015 06:02 PM (MYCIw)

Isn't he gay? Throwing double trump cards.

Desperate?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 09, 2015 06:06 PM (48QDY)

103 Castro on the ticket to get all those illegals to the polls

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 06:07 PM (zOTsN)

104 So the lead singer of Metallica is poisoning people with anthrax? Horrible.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at April 09, 2015 06:07 PM (xkSSa)

105 100 "Pretty much every standard that's ever been used to measure anything in this dimension says the same thing."

****
They're Democrats...there's always room for unprovement

Posted by: Mr Wizard at April 09, 2015 06:07 PM (eOpVe)

106 43 Ot was those Duke boys!
-Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane

---------

TOO SOON!

Posted by: JDub (was BunkerintheBurbs) at April 09, 2015 06:08 PM (X3xYu)

107 Roscoe P. Soultrain

*snort*

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 06:08 PM (rwI+c)

108 Castros mother is one of the founders of la Raza. Every illegal alien and recipient of amnesty will vote for a Castro on the ticket

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 06:09 PM (zOTsN)

109 The Man of Tomorrow Will Wear Lipstick

https://tinyurl.com/qg956b5

Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 09, 2015 06:10 PM (OsWis)

110

Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds...Oh lord yeah!

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 06:10 PM (rwI+c)

111 Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 06:07 PM (zOTsN)

*makes note to self. Order that ICE windbreaker by November 2016.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 09, 2015 06:10 PM (48QDY)

112
I don't have anything either, other than to say I read the words 'dark, hairy scrotum' in the side bar.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 09, 2015 06:10 PM (ODxAs)

113 Richard Jewell and Ivins
Waco
Ruby Ridge
I'm not a conspiracy theorist whacko - but this agency has a bloody, unlawful history

Posted by: Hobbiehawk at April 09, 2015 06:10 PM (IPGju)

114 The Man of Tomorrow Will Wear Lipstick

https://tinyurl.com/qg956b5

Posted by: SMFH

Not if I have anything to say about it.

Posted by: Burning Times at April 09, 2015 06:11 PM (GuwT9)

115 Here's all you need to know about the Castro brothers.

"Rosie named her first son, Julian, for his father whom she never married, and her second, who arrived a minute later, for the character in the 1967 Chicano anti-gringo movement poem, "I Am Joaquin.""

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2015 06:11 PM (MYCIw)

116 Posted by: Burning Times at April 09, 2015 06:11 PM (GuwT9)

Who's up first?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 09, 2015 06:12 PM (48QDY)

117 These scientists are a really strange lot.

Posted by: N. Dowd Macaque at April 09, 2015 06:12 PM (l3vZN)

118 Supple yet arrogant glans is a good band name.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 06:13 PM (rwI+c)

119 @110: "Generals gathered in their masses,

just like witches at black masses."

Thou canst not rhyme ye wordde "masses" with ye wordde "masses"!

Posted by: Wm. Shakespeare at April 09, 2015 06:14 PM (amQXf)

120 113 Wasn't Waco the ATF or whatever they call themselves now?

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 06:15 PM (KETbL)

121
speaking of obama's FBI...

remember the terror suspect the FBI was interviewing (in connection with obama's pals who bombed the marathon in Boston, I think) when all of a sudden RIGHT AFTER THE SUSPECT CONFESSED TO A FEW OPEN CASES the suspect pulled a sword and was subsequently shot to death in his apartment?

Yeah, if you believe that one...

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 09, 2015 06:15 PM (2oKah)

122 They're Democrats...there's always room for unprovement

So is this like heat, where you can always have a little more suck?

What are the units? micro-Obamas? Stalins? Mega-Maos?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 09, 2015 06:16 PM (0NdlF)

123
obama's FBI: Yeah, we had to kill this guy because he pulled a sword...but good news -- he confessed so now we can close a few cases!

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 09, 2015 06:16 PM (2oKah)

124 Castro on the ticket to get all those illegals to the polls

Gringos out on their asses!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 06:17 PM (cPHH6)

125 Lauren, something I wrote way back in 2006

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2006/03/la-raza-revolution.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 06:17 PM (VHZLH)

126 remember the terror suspect the FBI was interviewing (in connection with obama's pals who bombed the marathon in Boston, I think) when all of a sudden RIGHT AFTER THE SUSPECT CONFESSED TO A FEW OPEN CASES the suspect pulled a sword and was subsequently shot to death in his apartment?

That was down here. Right down the road from a bar I once frequented. Happened in a complex where some friends lived.

Oh yeah, there was nothing strange about that at all. *eyeroll*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 09, 2015 06:17 PM (0HooB)

127 I mean what man -- at first glans -- hasn't thought 'She's the one!'

Posted by: se pa moron at April 09, 2015 06:17 PM (xQX/f)

128 "So is this like heat, where you can always have a little more suck? "

Exactly.

Mega-Marx?

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2015 06:18 PM (MYCIw)

129 "Generals gathered in their masses, just like witches at black masses."

Thou canst not rhyme ye wordde "masses" with ye wordde "masses"!

"Generals gathered in their glasses, just like witches at black masses."

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 06:18 PM (cPHH6)

130 84 Is Som Tawyer back again?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 09, 2015 06:01 PM (Yp6Vn)

Nah adjoran is a cowardly pussy troll that leaves a comment and won't return. He's afraid that Ted Cruz is the bogeyman under his bed.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 09, 2015 06:18 PM (z/Ubi)

131 It "seems" the new American Way is to come to a conclusion and then force the facts to fit it at any cost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 09, 2015 06:19 PM (/tNwW)

132 @120: "Wasn't Waco the ATF or whatever they call themselves now?"

The shootout where the governmental guys ran out of ammo and surrendered was ATF. The subsequent "These tanks smashing through your walls and gassing you is not an assault" barbeque was the 'B, though.

Posted by: Lon "Chris Kyle was a noob" Horiuchi at April 09, 2015 06:19 PM (amQXf)

133 Generals gathering their asses, just like witches at black masses.

Posted by: wooga at April 09, 2015 06:20 PM (9aNb8)

134 Project Veritas

U cal Irvine, northridge students and faculty all in to start fund raiser for Hamas and ISIS

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 06:20 PM (zOTsN)

135 134,

The stupid. It burns.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 09, 2015 06:21 PM (OsWis)

136 @129: ""Generals gathered in their glasses, just like witches at black masses.""

Please! "Generals gathered in ye masses; just like bitchez wid big asses"

Posted by: Wm. Shakespeare (feat. Ludacris) at April 09, 2015 06:21 PM (amQXf)

137 Exactly.

Mega-Marx?

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2015 06:18 PM (MYCIw)

On further thought, I think Zedongs are going to be a popular unit with the Horde.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 09, 2015 06:22 PM (0NdlF)

138 The shootout where the governmental guys ran out of ammo and surrendered was ATF. The subsequent "These tanks smashing through your walls and gassing you is not an assault" barbeque was the 'B, though.
Posted by: Lon
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We are not jackbooted thugs.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 09, 2015 06:22 PM (F2IAQ)

139
AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: WHITE HOUSE LYING; HAS DEVILISH INTENTIONS

Drudge

Wow, I agree with Iran 100%. Whoda thunk it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 09, 2015 06:22 PM (/tNwW)

140

Now in darkness, world stops turning,
as you hear the bodies burning.
No more war pigs of the power,
hand of god has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, god is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercy for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings...
Oh lord, yeah!

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 06:23 PM (rwI+c)

141 If a seedy mini fan was prescription, he still are alive we could know the truth! We need to make it prescription.

Posted by: Moochelle at April 09, 2015 06:23 PM (xkSSa)

142 It "seems" the new American Way is to come to a conclusion and then force the facts to fit it at any cost

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: Dr. Prof. Dr. Michael Mann, Ph.D, Dr. at April 09, 2015 06:23 PM (/3D66)

143 On further thought, I think Zedongs are going to be a popular unit with the Horde.

Destined to take the place of Bozons in your mythology.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 09, 2015 06:23 PM (0HooB)

144 This is the FBI. Vicious with a lot of resources to be used to destroy whatever is in the sights.

remember the FBI Lab scandals?
Remember Hoover's secret files?

People want to get rid of the BATFE. Go ahead. The gun laws on the books still need to be enforced. Do you really want the FBI to enforce those laws?

I do not.

Posted by: rd at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (L7qFk)

145
Amazing how the lone honest broker in the whole nuke deal was....

Iran.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (2oKah)

146 On further thought, I think Zedongs are going to be a popular unit with the Horde.
Posted by: Conservative
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Various units may be substituted

100 PolPots = 1 Zedong

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (028dR)

147 131 It "seems" the new American Way is to come to a conclusion and then force the facts to fit it at any cost
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 09, 2015 06:19 PM (/tNwW)

Huh? What? I believe you'll find Trimesters right there next to the Good and Plenty Clause, serf.

Posted by: Zombie Justice Blackmun at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (vgIRn)

148 @130: "He's afraid that Ted Cruz is the bogeyman under his bed."

I had a similar thought regarding Barack Obama and my woodpile, but the Media had my back.

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (amQXf)

149 Posted by: Dr. Prof. Dr. Michael Mann, Ph.D, Dr.

You forgot "Nobel Prize Winner."

Posted by: Larry Reid, Ready to Party at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (UlJ3l)

150 Generals gathering their asses, just like witches at black masses.
Posted by: wooga

Oooo, I like that one. Really shows off our new queer-friendly, transgressive military.

Posted by: Gen Dempsey at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (GuwT9)

151 A little mood music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5Co3xuxIM

Posted by: Basket Full of Puppies at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (0Ew3K)

152 If a seedy mini fan was prescription, he still are alive we could know the truth! We need to make it prescription.

Moochelle Johnson is right!

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (rwI+c)

153 It "seems" the new American Way is to come to a conclusion and then force the facts to fit it at any cost
-----------------

I have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by: Dr. Prof. Dr. Michael Mann
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I agree..., that's wingnut BS.

Posted by: Rolling Stone at April 09, 2015 06:26 PM (028dR)

154
I don't even think Iran ever claimed they wanted nukes for energy -- that was obama who said that.

Iran has always maintained that they wanted nukes because they wanted nukes.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 09, 2015 06:26 PM (2oKah)

155 If a seedy mini fan was prescription, he still are alive we could know the truth! We need to make it prescription.

Moochelle Johnson is right!

That is some authentic frontier gibberish!
--Howard Johnson

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 06:26 PM (cPHH6)

156
>>>Masculinity doesn't have to be masculine. It can be very feminine, too.<<<

That's what I keep TELLING people. I ALREADY wear lipstick.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 09, 2015 06:26 PM (xkSSa)

157 Professor in the business school at u cal Irvine, a director of admissions and many students signed up to pledge part of their income to Hamas and ISIS

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 06:27 PM (zOTsN)

158 Professor in the business school at u cal Irvine, a director of admissions and many students signed up to pledge part of their income to Hamas and ISIS
Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 06:27 PM (zOTsN)

Well when "we" come back to power, that will be very convenient for us, don't you think?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 09, 2015 06:28 PM (/tNwW)

159 Professor in the business school at u cal Irvine, a director of admissions and many students signed up to pledge part of their income to Hamas and ISIS

Ooooooh! Funding terrorist orgs!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2015 06:28 PM (cPHH6)

160 *falls over in shock*

Back in 2010 I predicted the President would rename O'Hare after himself. I was so close.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 06:28 PM (VHZLH)

161 Back in 2010 I predicted the President would rename O'Hare after himself. I was so close.

What, what?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 09, 2015 06:29 PM (0NdlF)

162 Joey, Ichiban Lipstick for men:
FF to 0:54
http://tinyurl.com/lcthqx5

Posted by: Rolling Stone at April 09, 2015 06:30 PM (F2IAQ)

163 Ooooooh! Funding terrorist orgs!

And one that swears to overthrow our government.

If we only had some sort of law against that...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 09, 2015 06:31 PM (0HooB)

164
Alternate post title:

They Call This New Sexual Position The Reverse Colleen Rowley

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 09, 2015 06:32 PM (2oKah)

165 There is a law against that

I'm sure that they will arrest Project Veritas impresario, O'Keefe, without delay

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 09, 2015 06:32 PM (zOTsN)

166 Here is the direct quote Fi. From a post in 2010

And President Obama, deciding devoting less than 20% of the $787 billion stimulus is not enough, has proposed spending another $50 billion to make sure the US has the best roads and airports. No word if any of this money will go to Midway Airport to get it renamed Barrack Obama International Airport.

Instead we just witnessed Rahm Emmanuel who wanted to rename either O'Hare or Midway after the President. Before back-peddling.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 06:33 PM (VHZLH)

167 166 Those are named after battleships.
Rahm

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 06:34 PM (KETbL)

168 I was watching the media whine about how Paul is giving female newsreaders a hard time when it struck me: why should anyone, especially a non-Democrat, make special allowances for female interviewers?

Aren't we in an age of equality? Shouldn't the bitching be directed towards candidates who give special consideration to the females?

Posted by: MTF at April 09, 2015 06:35 PM (TcePY)

169 Tehran should rename its airport to honor President Fuckstick.

Posted by: who can we petition? at April 09, 2015 06:36 PM (/3D66)

170 Professor in the business school at u cal Irvine, a director of
admissions and many students signed up to pledge part of their income to
Hamas and ISIS

So glad little Guevara didn't go there. I was worried about their Muslim problem, and their utter abysmal failure to deal with it, so I feel totally vindicated.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 09, 2015 06:36 PM (oKE6c)

171 Butch O'Hare of VF-3, native son of Chicago, and recipient of the Medal of Honor.

Midway - for the Battle of Midway.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 06:36 PM (VHZLH)

172 I had something to name after him but I flushed it.

Posted by: ThunderB, Go Fighting Sioux! at April 09, 2015 06:37 PM (zOTsN)

173 A long blog post, with a lot of big words.

In the 70's and 80's, the Soviets were making industrial sized batches of Anthrax to be used as a weapon.

We made small amounts to study how to treat it in bio-warfare conditions. According to Kent Abilek, the Soviets were making tons of this stuff.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 09, 2015 06:37 PM (RFeQD)

174 Aren't we in an age of equality? Shouldn't the bitching be directed towards candidates who give special consideration to the females?

Heads I win, tails you lose.

Posted by: Liberalism at April 09, 2015 06:37 PM (rwI+c)

175 Totally OT, but did anyone else hear Bret Baier's report on the Purple Heart recipients from Ft Hood?

They're going to get the medal but not the benefits?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 09, 2015 06:37 PM (DmNpO)

176 People want to get rid of the BATFE. Go ahead. The gun laws on the books still need to be enforced. Do you really want the FBI to enforce those laws?
I do not.
Posted by: rd at April 09, 2015 06:24 PM (L7qFk)

Actually the NRA decided at some point in the late 70s to fight against ever having the ATF absorbed into the FBI.

Their logic was that it was much easier to monitor and push back against a single agency with a well-defined, limited area of enforcement and with a smaller budget than one as large, powerful, and non-transparent as the FBI. I think their logic still holds up today.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 09, 2015 06:37 PM (pAlYe)

177 Boston bombing brothers had help making their bombs

According to Tapper

Posted by: ThunderB, Go Fighting Sioux! at April 09, 2015 06:39 PM (zOTsN)

178 The Waco fiasco was started by the BATFE. Because they needed a big showy bust just before their funding was being discussed in Congress. A good show helps loosen the purse strings, and they can build a bigger empire.

Except those crazy Branch Davidians fought back. As someone said up thread, after the BATF ran out of ammo, the davidians called a cease fire and let them retreat with their dead and wounded.

The FBI came in to clean up the situation. And after Janet Reno relayed the orders from Bill Clinton, they cleaned it all up with tanks, gas and fire. But mostly fire.

Posted by: rd at April 09, 2015 06:40 PM (L7qFk)

179 173 Oh ,right up into the end they were manufacturing masses of biological agents(even though they signed a treaty outlawing it).We kept the treaty so strictly we often disallowed research on defending against them.They had them as ICBM payloads even,a cocktail of multiple biological agents.I guess for when nukes just weren't enough.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 06:40 PM (KETbL)

180 >>Butch O'Hare of VF-3, native son of Chicago, and recipient of the Medal of Honor.

They have a very nice display about O'Hare in one of the terminals. Oh and the reason the ID for O'Hare is ORD is that the original civilian name of the airport was Chicago Orchard Airport. It was renamed in honor of O'Hare.

Posted by: Hillary at April 09, 2015 06:40 PM (sQzB6)

181 171 I knew that,old Rahm did not.What a treasure that man is.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 06:41 PM (KETbL)

182 >>Hillary

Off stinky lesbo sock

Posted by: Aviator at April 09, 2015 06:41 PM (sQzB6)

183 I know this was yesterday's news, but at yesterday's state briefing, after the Matt Lee exchange another reporter asked this question. "Going back to Obama's Cairo speech where he mentioned Iran unclenching it's fist, Is Iran unclenching it's fist? Does the administration believe this? Is Iran doing it slowly, one finger at a time ,STARTING IN THE MIDDLE?

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2015 06:42 PM (z6ZiX)

184 They're going to get the medal but not the benefits?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

In the name of fairness, TFG will make sure no Purple Heart recipient gets any benefits.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 09, 2015 06:42 PM (GuwT9)

185 Yeah the O'Hare display in Concourse 2 is pretty impressive. Even have an F4F-3 Wildcat painted in O'Hare's markings as the centerpiece. And the platform around it tells the story including the mission in which O'Hare shot down five G4M Betty bombers to save his carrier.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 06:43 PM (VHZLH)

186 They're going to get the medal but not the benefits?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's
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Tough shit. Only real soldiers like me deserve Purple Hearts.

Posted by: John Kerry at April 09, 2015 06:43 PM (F2IAQ)

187 >>Boston bombing brothers had help making their bombs

According to Tapper

Posted by: ThunderB

When was Obama in Boston?

Posted by: Aviator at April 09, 2015 06:43 PM (sQzB6)

188 Check Bill Ayers' schedule.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 06:44 PM (rwI+c)

189 I knew that,old Rahm did not.What a treasure that man is.
Posted by: steevy
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Yeah, but I'll bet he looks better in a tutu than you do.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at April 09, 2015 06:45 PM (F2IAQ)

190 A long blog post, with a lot of big words.

In the 70's and 80's, the Soviets were making industrial sized batches of Anthrax to be used as a weapon.

We made small amounts to study how to treat it in bio-warfare conditions. According to Kent Abilek, the Soviets were making tons of this stuff.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 09, 2015 06:37 PM (RFeQD)

One of the factories was inside the city of Svedlosk. Typical Russian vodka fueled maintenance one day, they forgot to put the filters back on the ventilation system. Anthrax got blown across the neighborhood. Over a hundred people died. Blamed on "tainted meat."

Posted by: rd at April 09, 2015 06:46 PM (L7qFk)

191 Someday there will be an aircraft carrier named after Obama.It's the Navy's own damn fault,they changed the name of one of the Midway class to FDR after died and opened the door.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 06:47 PM (KETbL)

192 I'm pretty sure he did it.

Right after the mailings were discovered, I convened a group of experts to help respond to one specific aspect of the attacks. Ivins was one of the folks who was sent by the government.

I remember how he was effusive about how well the stuff was made, how much expertise went into producing such a high quality of concentrated spores.

Honestly, he was pretty creepy.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at April 09, 2015 06:50 PM (mJBky)

193 190 Most common last words for a Russian,"hold my Vodka and watch this!"

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 06:50 PM (KETbL)

194 "Tylenol is gentler on your stomach than aspirin, but smacks your liver like the bitch that it is."

If the nanny-statists were truly concerned about people's safety, they'd push for acetaminophen to be made prescription only. Instead, they target decongestants that work since, obviously, anyone wanting relief from a stuffy nose is a Jesse Pinkman in waiting.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 09, 2015 06:52 PM (l3LvV)

195 The Midway class CVB named after FDR gets a bit of a pass. He just died, he had been an Under Secretary of the Navy, and one son was commanding a DE.

The rot started with naming the first super carrier class Forrestal. Then we got the JFK along with Saratoga, America, and Independence. And after Nimitz as lead ship, it was Presidents all the way down.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 06:52 PM (VHZLH)

196 Tainted meat in the can will kill ya.

Posted by: Prisoner x at April 09, 2015 06:53 PM (xQX/f)

197 And just to put the pieces of the puzzle together for you, the FBI guy, Richard L. Lambert, who is filling the lawsuit ---and who led the investigation for four years?

Wouldn't that likely be the period when they were harrassing Stephen Hatfield?

And wouldn't Lambert's career have been over once it turned out they were persecuting the wrong guy?

Would that not explain why he is filing the lawsuit?

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at April 09, 2015 06:54 PM (mJBky)

198 195 Forrestal was just to stick it to the Air Force.Certainly didn't help but they did set the precedent with the FDR.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 06:55 PM (KETbL)

199 The USS Obama was scuttled today after an unfortunate collision with a reef. All souls were saved but the ship was a total loss."

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2015 06:55 PM (z6ZiX)

200 People who are willing to take a position contrary to that of the herd are worth their weight in gold dust, because they help wise decision-makers from being blindsided. Their arguments are either easily answered, or not so easy to answer. In the former case, no problem. In the latter case, someone should raise those arguments.

The problem is that the person who raises awkward points tends to be vilified for doing so.

Or so I'm told. By a friend. I wouldn't know.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 09, 2015 06:55 PM (oKE6c)

201 Tainted meat in the can will kill ya.
Posted by: Prisoner x

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Zombie Rock Hudson at April 09, 2015 06:55 PM (GuwT9)

202 And after Nimitz as lead ship, it was Presidents all the way down.

Almost all!

Posted by: Zombies Carl Vinson and John C. Stennis at April 09, 2015 06:55 PM (/3D66)

203 Mission Accomplished!

Posted by: FBI at April 09, 2015 06:56 PM (84oau)

204 How about a Gofundme for the guy who kicked Hairy Reed's Ass/?

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at April 09, 2015 06:56 PM (YZ0V1)

205 How about a Gofundme for the guy who kicked Hairy Reed's Ass/?

Tommy Two Fingers is already well compensated for his, um, work.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 09, 2015 06:58 PM (0HooB)

206 191 Someday there will be an aircraft carrier named after Obama.It's the Navy's own damn fault,they changed the name of one of the Midway class to FDR after died and opened the door.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 06:47 PM (KETbL)

Well, after the USS Harvey Milk and the USS Gabby Giffords, we might as well have the USS Jeffrey Dahmer and USS Howdy Doody.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 09, 2015 06:58 PM (oKE6c)

207 Posted by: ThunderB, Go Fighting Sioux! at April 09, 2015 06:39 PM (zOTsN)

I wondered where they got the material.

Hell you can't buy a bag of fertilizer without a tag.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 09, 2015 06:59 PM (3qzvi)

208 I don't know about all this, I mean it's the FBI vs. a 24-year FBI employee. They're pretty much all jackasses who lie for a living, so they're probably all wrong.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champ 1997 at April 09, 2015 06:59 PM (Q819Q)

209 Naming ships is just another way for the Navy to buy Congressional votes.

You must vote for the budget, they are naming that ship after your parties politician!

Posted by: rd at April 09, 2015 06:59 PM (L7qFk)

210 205 How about a Gofundme for the guy who kicked Hairy Reed's Ass/?

Tommy Two Fingers is already well compensated for his, um, work.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 09, 2015 06:58 PM (0HooB)

Isn't the consensus it was his brother Larry Reid? or maybe Gary Reid or Mary Reid.

Posted by: MikeH at April 09, 2015 07:00 PM (84oau)

211 Thought the Dahmer was named Ceaser Chavez...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 07:00 PM (VHZLH)

212 Well, after the USS Harvey Milk and the USS Gabby Giffords, we might as well have the USS Jeffrey Dahmer and USS Howdy Doody.
Posted by: Jay Guevara

You're joking about there being a USS Harvey Milk, right? Please tell me you're joking.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 09, 2015 07:01 PM (GuwT9)

213 You know the USS William Henry Harrison is fated for disaster within a month of its first voyage.

Posted by: history rhymes at April 09, 2015 07:01 PM (/3D66)

214 Posted by: MikeH at April 09, 2015 07:00 PM (84oau)

Or perhaps a pissed-off parent of a young boy.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 09, 2015 07:01 PM (3qzvi)

215 Stephen j Epstein? Has a long article why the 9/11 hijackers did it. I believe it.

And I believe the Iraqis helped.

And that's why we had to invade Iraq.

Posted by: blaster at April 09, 2015 07:02 PM (4MRvZ)

216 When the FBI does an investigation they will interview anyone and everyone, even the unknown crazy person innocent bystander on the street corner, and you can say anything to the friendly FBI agent. The Agent will dutifully write it down, and it goes into the Official FBI Investigation File where it will sit in a file box on a shelf in the Official FBI Investigation Documents Warehouse for a hundred years.

And anything that anyone says about you can be used as evidence against you in a court of law.

Posted by: Adelade Kramski at April 09, 2015 07:02 PM (/OuLr)

217 You're joking about there being a USS Harvey Milk, right? Please tell me you're joking.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 09, 2015 07:01 PM (GuwT9)

It's a submarine, it's always going down

Posted by: MikeH at April 09, 2015 07:02 PM (84oau)

218 Isn't the consensus it was his brother Larry Reid? or maybe Gary Reid or Mary Reid.

It may be.

But having TTF do it would explain so much more about the stuff that just doesn't make sense going on in DC.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 09, 2015 07:03 PM (0HooB)

219 There's goingto be a USS John Murtha.At least the Caesar Chavez is not a combatant.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 07:04 PM (KETbL)

220 And that's why we had to invade Iraq.
Posted by: blaster at April 09, 2015 07:02 PM (4MRvZ)

Nope, launch "Operation Plowshare II" connect Tehran to the Gulf starting at city center

Posted by: MikeH at April 09, 2015 07:04 PM (84oau)

221 It's a submarine, it's always going down
Posted by: MikeH

I suppose, keeping with the namesake, it prefers 14 year old seamen.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 09, 2015 07:05 PM (GuwT9)

222 Can't we just solve this traditional FBI way? Shoot their wives and children.

Posted by: Lon Horiuchi at April 09, 2015 07:06 PM (TpeIH)

223 If you want a headache, just read the LCS/FF names. Have one aircraft carrier name in there, one heavy cruiser, one cruiser that was lead ship of a class, and many light cruisers. And the Gabrielle Giffords.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 07:06 PM (VHZLH)

224 How about a Gofundme for the guy who kicked Hairy Reed's Ass/?

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at April 09, 2015 06:56 PM (YZ0V1)

They arrested Harry's brother Larry for assaulting a police officer. IMO he also tuned up Harry on New Year's Eve.

And Harry, for once NOT being a total scum bucket, did not turn in his brother. Instead he came up with the pathetic "excercise band" excuse. Even though his brother blinded him in one eye.

Luckily for him and his brother, the cop was not seriously injured. Imagine if the violent drunken idiot of a brother blinded the cop too?

Posted by: rd at April 09, 2015 07:06 PM (L7qFk)

225 201 Tainted meat in the can will kill ya.
Posted by: Prisoner x

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Zombie Rock Hudson at April 09, 2015 06:55 PM (GuwT9)

*more beer out the nose*

Oh, and too soon.

Posted by: Arthur Cognomen, Grumpy Guy at April 09, 2015 07:07 PM (RwwCT)

226 Luckily for him and his brother, the cop was not seriously injured. Imagine if the violent drunken idiot of a brother blinded the cop too?
Posted by: rd at April 09, 2015 07:06 PM (L7qFk)

An idiot like Larry will keep f**king up until he kills someone or himself. Preferably the later.

Posted by: MikeH at April 09, 2015 07:08 PM (84oau)

227 Soengler is at it again with his China love.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 07:08 PM (KETbL)

228 Spengler.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 07:08 PM (KETbL)

229 I'd be happy to see the Navy name an aircraft carrier the "USS Obama."

It needs to be coal fired, and carry only hot air balloons. And it'll only turn to port.

The crew won't sing "Anchors Aweigh", but rather, "Blow the Man Down". And their Cracker Jacks won't have the thirteen buttons on the front but rather, on the back.

Of course, the ship will never earn an "E" for Excellence flag, but will be eligible to fly the "F" for Faaaabbbbulous! pennant.

And you don't want to be on the Quarterdeck when the Bonsun's Mate "blows" the Captain aboard.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 09, 2015 07:09 PM (RzZOc)

230 Spengler is at it again with his China love.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2015 07:08 PM

I loved them first!

Posted by: Thomas Friedman at April 09, 2015 07:10 PM (L7qFk)

231 I'm pretty sure if I had the skillz I could do an amazing X-men themed photoshop called TeX-Men.

Dr. Xavier - Greg Abbott
Wolverine - Dan Patrick

Obama could be Magnento lifting pens and phones into the air.

Pass the Flakka.

Posted by: Anthropology Guy at April 09, 2015 07:10 PM (lPdaT)

232 . And their Cracker Jacks won't have the thirteen buttons on the front but rather, velcro on the back.

Posted by: Jim at April 09, 2015 07:09 PM (RzZOc)

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 09, 2015 07:11 PM (48QDY)

233
I served aboard the USS Carol Doda, named after the most famous stripper in the San Francisco Tenderloin. She now owns a lingerie store in SF, and delighted many a young man en-route to Vietnam in the 60's.

Posted by: Brian Williams at April 09, 2015 07:12 PM (P330y)

234 Corgis, it is time.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 09, 2015 07:12 PM (0NdlF)

235 It's a submarine, it's always going down

Full of seamen.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 09, 2015 07:12 PM (rwI+c)

236 195
The rot started with naming the first super carrier class Forrestal. Then we got the JFK along with Saratoga, America, and Independence. And after Nimitz as lead ship, it was Presidents all the way down.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2015 06:52 PM (VHZLH)

Much the same thing happened with coins. Beginning with the earliest coins stuck by the U.S. government around 1790 until 1909, they bore the face of Liberty, symbolized by a woman. Even the "Indian Head" penny was still Lady Liberty in a headdress.

Lincoln was put on the penny in 1909 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of his birth. Washington was put on the quarter in 1932 for his 200th birthday. The Jefferson nickel followed in 1938.

Then FDR died in 1945 and was immediately enshrined on the dime. JFK was killed in 1963 and was put on the half dollar in 1964. Eisenhower died in 1969 and a new dollar coin was created for him.

It smacks of idolatry. It's probably not a coincidence that the Presidentialization of our coinage paralleled the increasing centralization of power in the President's hands.

Posted by: rickl at April 09, 2015 07:15 PM (sdi6R)

237 201 Tainted meat in the can will kill ya.
Posted by: Prisoner x

Tell me about it.
Posted by: Zombie Rock Hudson at April 09, 2015 06:55 PM (GuwT9)

*********

Threadwinner of the year.

Posted by: Brucella Jenner at April 09, 2015 07:22 PM (cIoI4)

238 @158: "Well when "we" come back to power, that will be very convenient for us, don't you think?"

Um, "we" are in power right now.

Posted by: John Boeher, Bitch McConnell, John Roberts, and the GOP at April 09, 2015 07:57 PM (amQXf)

239 Are brain tumors contagious

Posted by: Cunductor Crazy Train at April 09, 2015 08:00 PM (XYKz+)

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