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Interview With a Law Professor, Hiding In the Christian Closet
I spent a long time on the phone last night with a law professor at one of the country’s elite law schools. This professor is a practicing Christian, deeply closeted in the workplace; he is convinced that if his colleagues in academia knew of his faith, they would make it very hard for him. We made contact initially by e-mail -- he is a reader of this blog -- and last night, by phone. He agreed to speak with me about the Indiana situation on condition that I not identify him by name or by institution.... I will call him Prof. Kingsfield, after the law professor in The Paper Chase. ... Like me, what unnerved Prof. Kingsfield is not so much the details of the Indiana law, but the way the overculture treated the law. "When a perfectly decent, pro-gay marriage religious liberty scholar like Doug Laycock, who is one of the best in the country -- when what he says is distorted, you know how crazy it is." "Alasdair Macintyre is right," he said. "It's like a nuclear bomb went off, but in slow motion." What he meant by this is that our culture has lost the ability to reason together, because too many of us want and believe radically incompatible things.I think this is a very common conclusion people are coming to -- the center cannot hold, and we're tired of trying to make it hold. We are heading for a national rupture. Divorce is best done quickly. I do not wish to spend further years in a bad marriage. Divorce is coming, and so it should come quickly.
But only one side has the power. When I asked Kingsfield what most people outside elite legal and academic circles don't understand about the way elites think, he said "there’s this radical incomprehension of religion." "They think religion is all about being happy-clappy and nice, or should be, so they don’t see any legitimate grounds for the clash," he said. "They make so many errors, but they don’t want to listen." To elites in his circles, Kingsfield continued, "at best religion is something consenting adult should do behind closed doors. They don’t really understand that there’s a link between Sister Helen Prejean's faith and the work she does on the death penalty. There's a lot of looking down on flyover country, one middle America. "The sad thing," he said, "is that the old ways of aspiring to truth, seeing all knowledge as part of learning about the nature of reality, they don't hold. It's all about power. They've got cultural power, and think they should use it for good, but their idea of good is not anchored in anything. They’ve got a lot of power in courts and in politics and in education. Their job is to challenge people to think critically, but thinking critically means thinking like them. They really do think that they know so much more than anybody did before, and there is no point in listening to anybody else, because they have all the answers, and believe that they are good." On the conservative side, said Kingsfield, Republican politicians are abysmal at making a public case for why religious liberty is fundamental to American life. "The fact that Mike Pence can’t articulate it, and Asa Hutchinson doesn’t care and can’t articulate it, is shocking,” Kingsfield said.It's a long piece and if you like that there's more where that came from.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 12:59 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: HH at April 03, 2015 12:59 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:00 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:01 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2015 01:01 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: HH at April 03, 2015 01:01 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:01 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2015 01:02 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2015 01:03 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: People Corp at April 03, 2015 01:03 PM (TzeLs)
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I disagree. This is completely wrong.
It is preciously because the academic left understands the purpose of organized religion that they hate it so, and so wish to destroy it.
To wit, the point of organized religion, at least the various flavors of Christianity in the western world, is to provide a world view independent of the State.
Such independent thought is dangerous to the notion of "fundamental change" led from and for an all encompassing state.
Posted by: John Boehner at April 03, 2015 01:03 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:04 PM (rwI+c)
Always got a chip on their shoulder about the world.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:04 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2015 01:05 PM (KETbL)
We did an inservice yesterday with a black LGBT health advocacy group. The presenter handed out pictures of various young men and told us to tell him our first thoughts. After we said our piece, he would respond with things like "What if I told you X was bisexual?" and everybody was like "Soooo-? WTF difference does that make?"
You could tell it was compleat FAIL becoz the presenter wrapped it up with a lame "Well, I just wanted to show you that..." and then showed a lot of youtube videos.
Posted by: Bigby's Gang Signs at April 03, 2015 01:05 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:05 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Null at April 03, 2015 01:06 PM (xjpRj)
On our side we have a GOP ruling class who finds this all "icky" and the rest of us, who live in fear of the IRS or some other government bully coming down on us.
So, yeah, it feels pretty hopeless, but I don't think I'd survive the "divorce" very well, so I have to keep trying.
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2015 01:06 PM (9BRsg)
I think that's what bugged me so much about the New Atheism. Not the lack of belief, not even the smug self-righteousness at the faith-based conviction that one is right.
No, it's the use of a belief (or non-belief) specifically in order to stop thinking. Like putting on a cloak of intellect. Wrap it around you and you're good to go.
More than that, they ascribe to their progressivism and atheism firm faith (there it is again) that the world is kept from utopia only by irrational superstition.
It's not that they won't think critically about other's firmly-held beliefs. They won't think critically about their own.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:06 PM (L2xDv)
abysmal at making a public case for why religious liberty is fundamental
to American life.
I see, like the MFM, he confuses Republican for conservative. I don't know what is wrong with Pence, but Asa is a RINO.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 03, 2015 01:07 PM (wlDny)
Imagine Live From Lincoln Park with the Moon rising over Lake Michigan, the Chicago skyline shimmering in the distance and Neil Armstrong winking his approval!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsOUcikyGRk
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at April 03, 2015 01:07 PM (EMi53)
Hey Ace that train has long since left the Station
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:05 PM
I think so too.Now what's left are the "sides" sniping at each other...... The war may come or not.....
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 03, 2015 01:07 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Roscoe at April 03, 2015 01:07 PM (MIovV)
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 03, 2015 01:07 PM (w2MRj)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:08 PM (0FSuD)
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But they only beat us because they love us.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:08 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:08 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 03, 2015 01:09 PM (2ePOO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2015 01:09 PM (q3ld8)
I oppose SSM. I think it's bad public policy that led to predictably terrible results.
I'm also a member of a religion that has some of the most uptight rules about human sexuality, marriage, etc.
That said, I would not hesitate to make a SSM couple a cake for their reception or photograph their wedding.
So talk about being in the minority -- I hardly see anyone who espouses that set of views.
*shrugs*
If someone wants to call me homophobic for opposing SSM or someone else wants to accuse me of being bad Christian for the cake thing, that's their problem, not mine.
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2015 01:09 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Moki at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (x303I)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2015 01:05 PM (KETbL)
I warned people this shit would happen if it were imposed by the courts. I knew there'd be a problem if a state actually voted it in and then every state would be forced to recognize it, but once lying corrupt dishonest judges called it a "right," this was inevitable.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (L2xDv)
Not a very Easter weekend way of thinking, but then my priest has been on my case about getting to the range to prepare for what's coming and after laughing it off for a long time I'm heeding his word.
Posted by: H Badger at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (wlDny)
This has stopped being about ideas. It's stopped being about values. It's about sides.
Whoever it was who wrote about shooting the survivors the other day had it exactly right.
I'm pro gay marriage and every other pro gay thing. I do see it as a civil rights issue. But they insist on terrorizing pizza joints.
I am not religious at all, but the best people I know are devout and take their faith seriously, but they are tarnished as rubes.
Yes, the center cannot hold. I used to read "The Second Coming" once a year. Now I read it once a week.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (1xUj/)
This is a fight they will not win...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (/HX7u)
Well, in fairness, those same Republican politicians are equally abysmal at making a case for free market economics, or for a strong national defense, or for sovereign borders, or for that matter, any of the other standards which the party platform claims to uphold.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (q3ld8)
Posted by: People Corp
_________________________
The government should be required to fund the Anti-Memories Pizza gofundme page for the same amount of money given by the bigots.
Posted by: Liberals Everywhere at April 03, 2015 01:11 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2015 01:11 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: Bigby's Gang Signs at April 03, 2015 01:11 PM (3ZtZW)
Yeah, there are plenty of non-Christian weddings and you don't sanctify or de-sanctify them by participating. From a religious point of view, it's a civil ceremony or performance art.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:12 PM (L2xDv)
sounds interesting, except for the 2-volumes part -- i don't know if i want to spend 2 volumes on it. Though i am interested in the idea.
Posted by: Bradley Cooper Beams His Blue Sex Laser Eyes At You at April 03, 2015 01:12 PM (PA7DS)
And the French say we surrendered.... How sweet is that...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 03, 2015 01:12 PM (Bn6aD)
Well, in fairness, those same Republican politicians are equally abysmal at making a case for
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But we are damn good at making the case for cushy post retirement "jobs" in the corporate world, and really that is what matters isn't it?
Posted by: The GOPe at April 03, 2015 01:12 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:12 PM (pmv/9)
This is clearly unfair to my party, and it indicates your total lack of understanding of how the game is played.
Let me break it down for you:
1. You support us and vote for us.
2. We fuck you up the ass.
Now that's America, baby!
Posted by: John Boner in Assless Chaps at April 03, 2015 01:13 PM (lG2E3)
Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2015 01:13 PM (KETbL)
Cliffs?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 01:13 PM (SYMCn)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:14 PM (rwI+c)
^This, which is why in all communist regimes the Christian church is either persecuted, co-opted, or driven underground.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:14 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:14 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 03, 2015 01:14 PM (Bn6aD)
Ya know? That was all we said. It only makes a difference clinically. Other than that, hey, glad you told us so we know what to do.
Posted by: Bigby's Gang Signs at April 03, 2015 01:14 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Mrs. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:15 PM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Parts?
Condominium. No need for "parts."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 03, 2015 01:15 PM (JBzwC)
I just wish that people on the Right would stop using the word "elite" to describe these people who are clearly unable to reason their way out of a wet paper bag.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:15 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2015 01:15 PM (KETbL)
@#14
It disturbs me that everyone must preface their remarks with "I am
personally for gay marriage","I was for gay marriage before other people
were " etc before defending RFRA.
Well..... I'm not for gay marriage and never have been.
There's no such thing as gay marriage.
Oh.... I could accept something called a 'civil union' granting equal civil rights.... but it's not marriage. You can call it gay marriage or anything you want, but that doesn't make it marriage.
Government doesn't have the power to define marriage. It just doesn't.
Posted by: matthewjohn at April 03, 2015 01:16 PM (7pEow)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 03, 2015 01:1
A lot of people say that about me.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:16 PM (vPh3W)
If Ace wants to become Rod Dreher's eager stooge though, so be it. Unfortunately, it will cast similar suspicions on the other, excellent blogging he does.
Posted by: Peter at April 03, 2015 01:16 PM (6119j)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2015 01:09 PM (9BRsg)
YOU HATEFUL BIGOTED ASSHOLE!!!!1!!!11!1
/ooM ooM .rM
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:16 PM (2Ojst)
So says the Country that tried to build a secret Nuclear Plant with North Korean help. And that Israel solved the only real way to solve those things.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:16 PM (rDqRv)
You haven't "evolved."
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The essence of evolution is the death of the unfit.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:16 PM (XUKZU)
Or Lipstick Traces by Greil Marcus. One volume, more entertaining. Not a left right thing, but more like reading a Connections program
Posted by: Bigby's Gang Signs at April 03, 2015 01:17 PM (3ZtZW)
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"Gay" marriage is rather remincent of the scene in 1984 when Winston is being forced to agree with the claim that 4 fingers is actually 5...if the state demands it.
'Do you remember,' he went on, 'writing in your diary, "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four"?'
'Yes,' said Winston.
O'Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.
'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'
'Four.'
'And if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?'
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2015 01:17 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:17 PM (kff5f)
In a few hundred years the bible will be part of mythology courses. And people will be like, man those were some cool stories people made up about Jesus dying and coming back to life. Not as cool as the Greeks and Romans, but still kinda neat.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:17 PM (0LHZx)
So did I.
When I was in CA I read up on the SSM thing b/c of Prop 8. I spent time at some "gay conservative" blogs and really tried to understand why it had to be MARRIAGE, not a civil union or other legal arrangement. None of the folks advocating for SSM could provide me with a satisfactory argument.
I was still somewhat "meh" about the issue until the Prop 8 opposition people turned into thugs, trying to destroy individual people's lives for simply exercising their political right to give to the Prop 8 effort or sign a bloody petition.
Now I'm completely against it. I'm sick of redefining American culture to shut up the screeching leftists.
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2015 01:17 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:17 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: People Corp at April 03, 2015 01:03 PM (TzeLs)
And where will that money go to? Will it buy Barry and Reggie some pizzas?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 01:18 PM (3UGBQ)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:18 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:18 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: The GOPe at April 03, 2015 01:12 PM (78TbK)
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That's why the statement that was made for the pizza joint is so important. Words ain't gonna cut it any more. It's going to have to take repeated actions over a period of time. And if the SJW's want to ratchet it up, like we know they will, then we'll have to up our game also.
Depending on politicians to solve our problems got us to where we are anyway.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 01:18 PM (/HX7u)
Your Concerning Christian Conservative Concerning has been noted.
I am sure the Hot Air button on your computer is fully functional.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 03, 2015 01:18 PM (zF6Iw)
Welp, having seen what happens when nice 40ish beta males get tired of their harpy wives in my circle of friends, and decide they'd like to separate . . . it doesn't go well for them. They get destroyed. And financially raped. And get AMAZING horrible lies told about them. So they can't live where they want anymore, if you take my meaning.
Divorcing the Left is not gonna fly. Not without one hell of a nasty fight. So, civil war that would be (the regular kind, not the cold kind we're in now).
My hope is that we can hang in till they just collapse. They're close. Trust me. Wait for the old harpy to have to check herself in to rehab.
Posted by: UppityOrchid at April 03, 2015 01:18 PM (mJUSR)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Hmmm mushy middle. That would be an interesting group of states.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:18 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2015 01:18 PM (u8GsB)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:19 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2015 01:02 PM (8ZskC
NY/NJ Joos?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:19 PM (vPh3W)
The ONLY thing preventing all out violence in the Streets is that most
of us on the Right, and in the Right, have Jobs, families, Reputations,
Positions, Security Clearances and things like that. Other wise we'd be
out reclaiming America. And I am not kidding about that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (rDqRv)
It will come to that point. I have 20,000 rounds of ammo.
Bring it on. I'll put up a fight till I run out.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:19 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:19 PM (rDqRv)
The entire agenda was attacking and destroying the Christian church and its individual believers. All the things they said they wanted could have been achieved through simple estate planning and medical authorization documents. That, as has become abundantly clear to all who pay even the slightest bit of attention, was all bullshit.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:19 PM (2Ojst)
Yep, that means ethnic cleansing, segregation, persecution, prosecution, and worse. In a country defined by tolerance, those of us who practice tolerance will be locked up in our churches and the building set on fire.
Posted by: Ernie Wist at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (5sNlt)
Let me lay a little personal take on you. Divorce is designed to convert the long stoked hatred of wronged (read: all) womenz and using the heat generated convert the biomass and earnings of Ye WhiteHeteroChristianistMaleMicroAgressor (as featured on LIFETIME) into a feed stock, on which the bottom feeders of the divorce industry thrive.
Sorta like a commercial catfish pond, but with more filth and disgusting practices.
Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (qL20/)
Ditto.
Your sexual orientation, or "self perception" does not trump my Natural Rights. Period.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (kff5f)
I understand the need for anonymity in this case, but that means as little to me as when MSM journos use "anonymous sources" or "unnamed officials".
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (xSCb6)
I've been micro-aggressed.
Posted by: Xander Crews at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (UDAer)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2015 01:02 PM (8ZskC
NY/NJ Joos?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:19 PM (vPh3W)
Fuck we got enough problems. Choose some other "Chosen People"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (rDqRv)
What's wrong with Pence is that he's not very bright.
He signed on enthusiastically for the Obamacare expansion of Medicaid in his state, because, hey, "free money", who could not like that?
Not realizing that down the road, the switch part of the Obamacare bait-and-switch kicks in, the free money from the feds will be cut off, and all the states who bought into the expanded-Medicaid scheme end up with a huge monkey on their backs financially.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (MMC8r)
Here, my friends is the epicenter of current truth. Do we believe that immigration policy, the Keystone decision, voter ID law objections, or restrcting the military's right to vote are honest attempts at achieving a normative social outcome? Of course not.
I have a book of Eric Servareid's essays published int he 1960s. In them he repeated characterizes Marxism not as an ideology, but as a justification for obtaining and retaining power. We see the same thing in action today from the left. There have been no serious attempts at reinvigorating middle class economic fortunes since January 20, 2009. If anything, the opposite is true: Taking no action is itself an action.
Why the continued assault on churches? Why the attempts to remake the voting rolls? Why use the military for social engineering experiments? Why create a Crucible atmosphere in the science community over global warming? Why muddy the concept of family? Why promulgate by executive action what can't be done by legislation? Simple: To hollow out other power centers.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (659DL)
of us on the Right, and in the Right, have Jobs, families, Reputations,
Positions, Security Clearances and things like that. Other wise we'd be
out reclaiming America. And I am not kidding about that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (rDqRv)
That plus we're not sociopaths and sadists who like to shoot people and burn things.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (0LHZx)
"I was talking to a famous judge last night who asked that I not use his name and, to my embarrassment, he remarked 'I have never known Peter to be wrong'."
Posted by: Peter at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (6119j)
Posted by: Ernie Wist at April 03, 2015 01:20 PM (5sNlt)
Moo Moo will be selling the chains and torches.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (2Ojst)
same reason "elites" don't believe the earth is flat or the sun
revolves around the earth or believe Neptune creates hurricanes when
he's mad.
In a few hundred years the bible will be part of mythology courses.
And people will be like, man those were some cool stories people made up
about Jesus dying and coming back to life. Not as cool as the Greeks
and Romans, but still kinda neat.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:17 PM (0LHZx)
The same elites who believe in global warming or whatever they're calling it these days? Or who 40 years ago bleated about global cooling or the population bomb or communism just hasn't been done right yet? Those elites, who are just soooooo much smarter than the rest of us and have tried to sell the world every unworkable bullshit cause because it furthers their agenda.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (3UGBQ)
Once again, you never let me down when I need a smirk.
Thank you kind Sir.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:22 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (XUKZU)
2 more years of Fredo and ........ well
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2015 01:22 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:23 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:23 PM (XUKZU)
The same elites who believe in global warming or whatever they're calling it these days?
The same elites that cling to Marxism. That developed Social Justice Cultural Marxism. Those elites.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:23 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Peter at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (6119j
If you would have said, "I've never known Peter to be right"
We would have believed you and your conversation
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:24 PM (vPh3W)
This is why I support banning trolls like Moo Moo. I have no problem with dissenting opinions being posted here, but this is just intended to stir shit and Moofuck will never respond to actual arguments or even argue in good faith in the first place.
Add to the fact that he's a confirmed liar about his own family, and well...this guy is a shitstain on the blog.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:24 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 01:21 PM (3UGBQ)
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Thanks for making my point.
AGW adherents are exactly like religious people. No matter how much evidence you show them to the contrary, they still continue to "believe".
You're two sides of the same coin. Only difference is what your religion says. They're both bullshit.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:24 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 01:24 PM (659DL)
matter how much evidence you show them to the contrary, they still
continue to "believe".
You're two sides of the same coin. Only difference is what your religion says. They're both bullshit.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:24 PM (0LHZx)
As per usual, you missed the point entirely
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (3UGBQ)
but then my priest has been on my case about getting to the range to prepare for what's coming and after laughing it off for a long time I'm heeding his word.
Posted by: H Badger at April 03, 2015 01:10 PM (n/0Nw)
Frankly, most of us fatsos need to get on the damned Stairmaster. The range work is pretty much taken care of with the simple recreational shooting many of us do.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (SpnVI)
to describe these people who are clearly unable to reason their way out
of a wet paper bag.
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Credentialed is the proper word.
And it is really only through the power of the group that they keep their power.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (ZvKdv)
Re: "...because too many of us want and believe radically incompatible things."
And that's what's so frustrating about what the Left is insisting that we believe.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (cXQJ2)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (JBzwC)
You're two sides of the same coin. Only difference is what your religion says. They're both bullshit.
And You have a blessed Good Friday...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (0HooB)
Come to the weekend posts. We rarely get his ilk. Must be off the clock then.
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)
OK, show me evidence to the contrary on the existence of God and the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.
I'll wait.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2015 01:25 PM (SpnVI)
One of the reasons for the "small steps to a healthier me" I've been doing.
I can hit center mass, but that won't do me much good if I need to run and can't, or need to carry a bunch of stuff and can't, or need to run while carrying a bunch of stuff and can't.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (kff5f)
With my fellow Christians being slaughtered, and persecuted in foreign lands and facing the enmity of my fellow countrymen here where I live.
Jesus said people wouldn't like what he was teaching . . . He told us that people would revile us and that even our family (fellow countrymen ?) would turn on us.
It seems like its time to put up or shut up - damn the costs.
Posted by: McCool at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (PhpHA)
Christianity has endured 2000 years of what this rotten world has thrown at it. 2000 years.
But Moo (and Ace, probably) believe now that there are modern and rational thinkers around like them, this whole 'faith' thing is on its way out.
Some people believe the shit they watch on Star Trek etc. and take it as a real glimpse into the future when it's really a glimpse into what Was.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (SYMCn)
Hey Ace that train has long since left the Station
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I'm inclined to cut ace some slack on that point. I've been commenting here for a decade (and reading longer than that) and while that has been discussed in all that time, he's come from insisting it was all crazy talk to recognizing the inevitability of the situation. That's a big step.
Also, we're both currently living behind enemy lines and likely to be trapped here when it happens. Unless we abandon all our friends first, which isn't easy (not least because aside from NY or Chicago on the one hand and Texas on the other it's not clear how it will all shake out).
Posted by: Methos at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (ZbV+0)
Oh, sweetie. I'm sure you really, really believe that. Don't let reality and historical fact spoil those dreams, mmmkay?
Posted by: Saber Alter at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (eawKK)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (l1zOH)
Then it's for a reason they're to embarrassed to articulate.
Validation.
This really struck me when I heard a radio interview with Charles Murray who said that one of the cultural shifts is that the elites -- professionals, upper middle class -- are all about marriage now. Instead of the old days in which "a piece of paper doesn't define my love", now it's common and desired to be married.
And it's a status symbol.
Hence, gays want the status. They want to say they are "married" and introduce themselves as "married" and use the word "married". In part there's this desperate desire to validate themselves and get others to say "you're a good person and what you do is not weird" but it's also about fitting in with this cultural shift.
I think it's hilarious that gays were tricked into embracing heteronormativity.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (8ZskC)
honest question: do you all really believe Jesus literally died and came
back 3 days later? Like you think that shit actually happened? I mean
come the fuck on.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)
yes, i actually do believe it....with everything i am....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (pmv/9)
The CSA would accept most of the the Midwest, KS, OK, NE, NM, AZ,CO MT, KY, WVA, UT, ID.
Basically we carve out the SE and the core of the country. We leave the Northern States on the coast to form their own country, and we leave the West Coast to form their own country.
The Midwest OH, IN, IL, SD, ND, MN WI all should form their own country
That gives us Four countries. SE, Left Coast, NE, Midwest
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (0FSuD)
The Gay Republican Lawyer fixed the "We Hate duh GOPe" blog.
Story of Obama again isn't it?
Posted by: Pointless WiseAss at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (DL2i+)
Just have time for the old in-out. Gotta back up a 14-yr old guitar player this evening. He's pretty good, but his voice needs to change.
Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (0HooB)
Testing. Testing.
Is this thing on?
I don't know how you got inside my mind, but I keep it turned off Friday through Monday.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (4WhSY)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (0LHZx)
I don't know where you came up with it but the point of Christianity is not to provide some alternative to the state.
Hopefully someone who isn't one finger typing on a phone has the time/inclination to 'splain this to ya.
Posted by: teej at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (Cel0r)
I don't usually post there, but I do read the content.
Because I'm cray cray like that.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (xSCb6)
And on the subject of islands during a national breakup, consider the fate of the state of Hawaii. The locals are still resentful of the pushy haoles who they say "took them over" without their consent.
Fast forward to 2025. The supreme plenipotentiary of the new Nation Of Hawaii leans back, stretches out and puts his feet up on the desk. What a long strange trip it's been. All around the world. Indonesia. New York City. Pakistan. Chicago. Washington, D.C. But now here he is. Home again, and in charge. With no pesky Constitution to limit his tenure in office. Life is good.
::: knocking on door :::
"Your Excellency? A large number of warships are entering Honolulu harbor. And we have a communique just in from someone claiming to be the new Chinese provincial commissar. I'm not sure we have the translation right, but he says something about 'measuring for drapes'."
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (noWW6)
I think people pay him to go away.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (u8GsB)
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OK. Cool. Thanks for answering.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (0LHZx)
But if you want to see yourselves as impotent refugees in your own country, be my I guest. I won't.
Posted by: Peter at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (6119j)
back 3 days later? Like you think that shit actually happened? I mean
come the fuck on.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)
Moo Moo. there is only ONE way to make it to heaven.
Looks like you won't be making the trip. I won't miss you.
Is that rude?
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (0FSuD)
It's not like things were nice and quiet for the last hundred years for gay people. Even twenty years ago simply revealing you were gay had an immediate social cost that, depending on where you were, could include violence.
How many gay men have been violently assaulted or killed simply for having the temerity of being gay? Note that this stuff still happens in America today to say nothing of being the law of the land in many parts of the world.
And how many anti-gay bigots have been violently assaulted or killed for their beliefs?
I hate to break it to you, but we have reached the point where revealing that you are anti-gay has an immediate social cost. Just like revealing that you are a racist has an immediate social cost.
"Oh, but I'm not anti-gay. I'm just anti-gay lifestyle. I'm just anti-gay marriage." No. Just like people who opposed interracial marriage were racists, people who oppose gay marriage are anti-gay. That's the world you live in. You have two choices: Get used to it, or don't.
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (mCz8+)
*shiftyeyes* Of course. We're not those kinds. *shiftyeyes*
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (rwI+c)
honest question: do you all really believe Jesus literally died and came back 3 days later? Like you think that shit actually happened?
Do YOU really believe that you're the first person to ask this question?
You do, don't you? You think you're really on to something new, don't you? A real original thinker, you are -- on the cusp of the breaking through this Christianity nonsense.
Two Thousand Years of people like you.
Two Thousand Years.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (SYMCn)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:27 PM (l1zOH
When you use him as target practice? Yes.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (vPh3W)
Because they aren't conservative, maybe? Or is that just crazy talk?
Principles matter. The vast majority of politicians don't have 'em... at least in the sense that are core ethical/moral positions that, when challenged, will be tossed aside for the better good of retaining a powerful job to do, um, important stuff.
Maybe if we chose politicians who say what they mean, mean what they say, and let the chips fall where they may we might have an operable democracy. Alas, 'tis but a dream. We're boned.
Coincidentally, that's why Ted Cruz is my main horse right now. He seems the least likely to disappoint and that's the best angle I have to judge. I'd be voting for the man. As to the GOP: sideways with an ornery cactus.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)
Yes. Yes, I do believe that.
You wanna do something about it, pussy boy?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2015 01:31 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:31 PM (0LHZx)
A lot of the most confident ANTI-believers think they're the first with every thought.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (mCz8+)
Question for you. And please no one else answer. Do you believe Matthew Shepherd was one of them?
Posted by: buzzion at April 03, 2015 01:31 PM (zt+N6)
"Iran Promises To End Nuclear Program In Exchange For Detailed Diagram Of Atomic Bomb"
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2015 01:31 PM (qyGu1)
Posted by: seattle slough
First of all, I'm wicked tolerant. I have lots of friends who are cocksuckers and rug lickers.
Second, STFU, dunce.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 01:31 PM (SYMCn)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (MMC8r
Start a GoFundMe I would donate.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (vPh3W)
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Honest question: Do you really think there is any hope without God?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)
You really have a chip on your shoulder, don't you, Moo?
Here's one for you - do you really believe that the earth has been getting warmer for the last 100 years and that the cause of it is man-made? Like you think that shit actually happened? I mean, come the fuck on.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (KETbL)
Oh, it's Sloopid in an return engagement!
Tell us Sloopid, whatcha been doing all these years since you sloughed off into the gutter?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (JBzwC)
You wanna do something about it, pussy boy?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (0HooB)
____________
Mr. Internet Tough Guy!! lol
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (0LHZx)
Yes.
And I am not a Christian.
Go away, mooron.
Posted by: jwb7605 at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (ZALPg)
Posted by: buzzion at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (zt+N6)
You're wrong on this. Ace simply does not Believe. That's a laudable position. It's faith and one cannot be guilted or browbeaten into genuine belief.
What he doesn't have are the delusions that the world would be a significantly better place with 6 billion atheists or that significant steps in learning or culture are being hampered by people of faith.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (L2xDv)
honest question: do you all really believe Jesus literally died and came
back 3 days later? Like you think that shit actually happened? I mean
come the fuck on.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)
Yup. No question.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (vgIRn)
Golf clap
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:31 PM (0LHZx)
Master and Apprentice.
EX-cellent.
Posted by: Palpatine at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Peter at April 03, 2015 01:33 PM (6119j)
Hopefully someone who isn't one finger typing on a phone has the time/inclination to 'splain this to ya.
Posted by: teej at April 03, 2015 01:28 PM (Cel0r)
I wasn't all that clear on my intended point. I don't believe that's Christianity's foundational purpose - but that it one of its fundamental effects. It recognizes a power higher than the state, and for those who need to have there be no power higher than the state, that is intolerable.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:33 PM (2Ojst)
They are equally incapable of articulating a case for free-market capitalism or limited Constitutional government.
One might almost suspect that don't really believe in those things.
Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2015 01:33 PM (zoehZ)
Clap for the fucking communist, and then wonder why you have totalitarians ruling over you.
You really are a fucking clueless imbecile.
Posted by: herpderp at April 03, 2015 01:33 PM (95Kut)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (zF6Iw)
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Nope. I don't. I think global warming is total bullshit. I've said this many times here. But I guess in the SoCon worldview, if I don't hate gays, it means I also believe in GW and want higher taxes and love Obama.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:33 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Mr. Hoo Haa at April 03, 2015 01:33 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 03, 2015 01:34 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:34 PM (pmv/9)
The vagina who goes by 'seattle slough' thinks he can use a simple code phrase "anti-gay" and put us on the defensive.
Good lawyering there, Clarence Darrow.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 01:34 PM (SYMCn)
Yeah, the king imported a bunch of Westerners for the purpose of taking over the islands. Quite revisionist there.
And ironic considering that the native activists want to go back to a monarchy, presumably because a vote would not go the way they want.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:34 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: just bob at April 03, 2015 01:35 PM (WNERA)
Mocking someone religion is one of the most classless things a man can do.
Didn't they teach you that at Plumbing school?
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:35 PM (0FSuD)
Hate to break it to you Cupcake, but all sorts of groups of people have endured immediate social costs which sometimes degenerated to violence. Some of these groups have been singled out for far more superficial reasons than their declared sexuality.
Gays are only special in that they're a very very small minority only discernible by mere declaration.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:35 PM (xSCb6)
I have the victim status and the identity politics should I wish it.
I refuse to play that game because that game is vile.
I am beyond tired of those who think they are My Better thinking and acting this way when I have precisely the background that they do.
Fuck. That. Shit.
You want to Will To Power? Fine. I can play that way as well.
Posted by: alexthechick at April 03, 2015 01:35 PM (IrByp)
Well, there was that time in Germany in the early 30s.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (qyGu1)
Of course I don't believe any of that crazy superstitious nonsense.
Three days? It was five days.
The disciples spent 48 hours covering for him.
"No, honestly, he'll be right back. He had to go pick up his dry cleaning."
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (noWW6)
The CSA would accept most of the the Midwest, KS, OK, NE, NM, AZ,CO MT, KY, WVA, UT, ID.
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Not Boulder. I'm OK with sending them out to orbit an asteroid forever but I rather just throw them into the sun.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (pmv/9)
Ah, now I see. It's not that you hate Christianity. It's that you have absolutely no knowledge of theology or apologetics.
You are an exemplar of the late Cardinal Sheen's quip, "There are not more than one in a hundred people who hate the Church. But there are millions who hate what they think is the Church."
I now know there is no point in engaging with you any longer.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (zF6Iw)
It was Germany, 1937.
Posted by: Palpatine at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:37 PM (pmv/9)
Since you're in an honest mood, tell us what you wish to happen to all those awful, awful xtian dissenters.
Are you hoping for handcuffs and jail time? Or are you hoping for executions? Or a little mix of both?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 03, 2015 01:37 PM (JBzwC)
Posted by: buzzion at April 03, 2015 01:37 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 03, 2015 01:37 PM (2ePOO)
But revenge and score-settling wasn't part of the deal. When you say "all I want is X" and you get X and then say "I want revenge for (my forbears, not me) not getting X before" you become who you claim to hate.
Or you become who you were all along.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:37 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (pmv/9)
_________
Oh noes. You found out my secret. Now tell me again why I should hate gays...which page of teh bible is it on? Is it before or after it says eating fish is evil?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:37 PM (0LHZx)
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It's almost as if,....as if..... 100 centuries of cross-cultural, evolved civilization think it is a destabilizing thing.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:37 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (rwI+c)
You're itching for jodhpurs and a swagger stick.
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Now THAT'S FUNNY!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (+1T7c)
Finally got through the time travel thread.
No, they haven't. $445, vs. $675k. 1:1500 fundraising capability.
Horde, that's the difference in their commitment to our commitment. That's why we'll win. It may not be easy, it may be painful, but we're staying and they won't.
So remind them that they're a minority. That they will inevitably be replaced by people with actual decency and principles. Tell them how they will be swept into the dustbin of history. (Occupy what?) And enjoy the weeping and lamentation of their women.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (0NdlF)
Nope. Moo Moo is rolling in dough because important people pay big money to hear him spew his opinions. He told us so.
We should feel fortunate that we get it for free.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (8ZskC)
In the world of seattle slough and the rest of his goose-stepping friends, that view has the same social cost you just golf-clapped about.
Posted by: herpderp at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (95Kut)
i'm reading a book right now. it's called The Seven Story Mountain by Thomas Merton. it is story of how he came to believe. you might want to read it....not because i want you to believe but because it is a remarkable story of an awakening in a man who was not raised with belief, coerced by his parents or forced by anyone to believe....it was something that happened over time with him.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (u8GsB)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (rwI+c)
And who gives strawmen a vigorous butt-f*cking all day, every day.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Dan Savage at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (PvZ8F)
Posted by: buzzion at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:33 PM (0LHZx)
For such an intelligent man who regularly comments on Christianity you don't even know Jesus' 2 commands. Love thy God and love thy neighbor as thyself.
We don't hate the sinner we hate the sin. As much as I detest you at times, I still would like to see you come to Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Mock us, hate us, lie about us. We were told about you and your kind. Yet we continue to go into all the world.
I'm willing to die for my faith. I doubt if you have anything you would die for except your own whiny ass.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (vPh3W)
*snrk*
So is this trolling for attention, or a genuinely held belief?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (pmv/9)
back 3 days later? Like you think that shit actually happened? I mean
come the fuck on.
Yes. I believe that God created the universe. I believe that God caused the stars to be formed in the heavens, set the sun and moon in their courses, defined the "rivers of the seas," and made Man in His own image.
I believe that God called Abram out of the land of his fathers, and showed him a land that He would give his inheritors.
I believe that Abram was renamed Abraham, and his wife Sarah bore him a son.
I believe that, after generations of captivity, God sent Moses, of the Tribe of Levi, to rescue the Hebrews from the Egyptians.
I believe that the Hebrews, led by God, wandered the wilderness for 40 years because of their unbelief.
I believe that after the 40 years, God allowed the Hebrews, now under the leadership of Joshua (Yeshua) son of Nunn to occupy the land now known geographically as Palestine.
Fast forwarding some: I believe that in the time of Caesar Augustus, a man named Yeshua (Jesus) was known to be the son of Joseph, a carpenter in Nazareth of Galilee.
I believe that this Jesus taught with authority and power, and gathered many people to be his disciples.
I believe that the Jewish political/religious leaders and the Romans put him to death by hanging on a cross.
I believe that 3 days later, the tomb was empty.
I could say I believe all these things because they're in the Bible. And that would be true, so far as it goes. But I believe them because they historically verified or logically inferred from things which have been historically verified.
Because these things are historically verified, then I choose to believe the Bible when it says that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." I choose to believe that Jesus died, was raised on the 3rd day, was seen by many who could identify him, and then was raised to God's right hand.
If you think to shame me for that belief, you are sadly, sadly mistaken.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (kff5f)
If there is no God, then I am the supreme being of the universe.
I've run the numbers. I'd explain them to you, but they're numbers.
And I've got a whole notebook full of smitin' to do.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (L2xDv)
We are heading for a national rupture. Divorce is best done quickly. I do not wish to spend further years in a bad marriage. Divorce is coming, and so it should come quickly
Here's the problem, Ace:
The last time there was a similar cultural/political split came in 1860, and back then it was fairly clearly defined geographically: A supermajority of the population in the north were anti-slavery, while a supermajority in the south were pro-slavery. So the split was easy to do: draw a line approximately where the two different philosophies met each other on the map.
But now, oh now, things are completely different: the split is generally urban vs. suburban/rural, and coast vs. interior.
There's no way you can physically divide that up on a map.
How can you create a separate country that includes Brookly, Ann Arbor, Berkeley, Hawaii, half of Miami (but not the other half), Minnesota's urban centers (but not the countryside), and the slums of New Jersey?
You can't. Physically, at least.
So what form will this "divorce" take? How can we "split" from the progressives?
And what about people like you and me, anti-communists who live in the belly of the beast, surrounded on all side by immediate neighbors who would shun us if they knew out political outlooks? When The Divorce happens, will be be given over to the custody of progressive madmen?
I can't see how this ends well -- or ends at all.
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (K4YiS)
Humans have come up with many impersonal ways to kill one another, you no longer have to look your countryman in the eye to kill them like you (often) did in the civil war.
Posted by: Nick in South Bend at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (TlMTA)
Welcome to the Dark Side, Ace.
On the conservative side, said Kingsfield, Republican politicians are abysmal at making a public case for why religious liberty is fundamental to American life.
"The fact that Mike Pence can't articulate it, and Asa Hutchinson doesnt care and can't articulate it, is shocking," Kingsfield said.
The fact that it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker or even in 140 characters really hurts.
Posted by: steveegg at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (cL79m)
I'm convinced that a movement to peacefully break up the country would, over time, succeed. Leftists, however, will never allow it peacefully.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (VRc/p)
Posted by: starboardhelm at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (hOtJL)
Posted by: Joe Mama at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (IRiM9)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 03, 2015 01:36 PM (zF6Iw)
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That's rich. I don't hate anyone. You on the other hand support people who refuse to sell a good to someone because he likes boys. The sad part is you don't see any irony in that.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (0LHZx)
Do you deny that this happens?
And where have I been? I'm where I've always been, just not commenting here.
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:40 PM (mCz8+)
120
honest question: do you all really believe Jesus literally died and came
back 3 days later? Like you think that shit actually happened? I mean
come the fuck on.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)
yes, i actually do believe it....with everything i am....
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What a small, small world he lives in, where it is only possible to believe what he believes.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 03, 2015 01:40 PM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:40 PM (pmv/9)
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Or a Starbucks barista.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:40 PM (XUKZU)
How many gay men have been violently assaulted or killed simply for having the temerity of being gay? Note that this stuff still happens in America today to say nothing of being the law of the land in many parts of the world.
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:29 PM (mCz8+)
Armed gays don't get bashed. Take some fucking responsibility for your own personal safety, rather than expecting some other person to risk their life to protect yours.
That comes from a Natural Right protected by another one of them there Constitutional Amendment things.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2015 01:40 PM (SpnVI)
Posted by: Mr. Hoo Haa at April 03, 2015 01:40 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Mr. Moo
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No where in scripture does it say that anyone should hate gays. It merely points out that such behavior is an abomination.
BTW, the same conclusion has been reached by virtually all cultures. It is hardly exclusive to Christian culture.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (l1zOH)
Be prepared to pop smoke.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:32 PM (XUKZU)
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One of the things in life that I've learned the hard way is that when absolute self-reliance fails, one's options narrow drastically. It's either find a spiritual solution or find solace in the shooty end of a 12 gauge.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (/HX7u)
Now I'm not much for blaspheming, but that made me laugh.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (xSCb6)
Food for thought.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:42 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:42 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 03, 2015 01:42 PM (w2MRj)
Meanwhile an old, dangerous enemy is more open in its paranoid, Mafioso and aggressive view of the rest of the world, poses as the Third Rome, a defender of the faith and church, misuses symbolism of St. George and vows to fight decadence, is full of conspiracy theories and tales of NATO "sodomite snipers" kicking off the Maidan protests. Their populace is awash in nationalism and loves the SJW stuff coming out of the USA, "proving" the West wants to export the gay liberation stuff to them, and they aren't having any of it, no way.
Their leader cynically exploits all this, portrays them as a country at bay, and love every Ferguson and Pizza Parlor story coming out.
Very, very dangerous, leftists pushing pet causes a majority of the world doesn't want are like monkeys in a gunpowder factory flicking their Bics. They might not enjoy what they help unleash.
Posted by: JHW at April 03, 2015 01:42 PM (w+zdY)
back 3 days later? Like you think that shit actually happened? I mean
come the fuck on.
Yes.
I believe that Jesus, who was God inhabiting a human body so that we might better relate to Him, was put to death ostensibly by the powerhungry of His day, but in truth as payment for my sins, because only blood can pay for sin and only Divine blood could pay for all of us. I believe His resurrection from the dead is proof of His claims and as such, I throw my lot with Him entirely.
Posted by: Methos at April 03, 2015 01:42 PM (ZbV+0)
As a Southern Baptist we often mock the Lutherans and their molded jello salad with shaved carrots, and when I was a kid and a Wesleyan Methodist we raised our eyebrows at the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and their membership in the BPOE and the Knights of Columbus where liquor was served on saturday night social gatherings.
We were all Masons, members of the Order of the Eastern Star, and went to grange hall meetings.
Posted by: Ernie Wist at April 03, 2015 01:42 PM (5sNlt)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 03, 2015 01:42 PM (fWAjv)
The CSA would accept most of the the Midwest, KS, OK, NE, NM, AZ,CO MT, KY, WVA, UT, ID.
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Not Boulder. I'm OK with sending them out to orbit an asteroid forever but I rather just throw them into the sun.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
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You forgot Austin and Lawrence and wherever Mitch McConnell happens to be standing at that particular moment.
Posted by: Liberals Everywhere at April 03, 2015 01:42 PM (UlJ3l)
After I became apostate I had a zipper installed in my scrote. Now, I can unzip, whip those pair a dice out, and stuff them up my butt.
Then, when I go down to The Back Door (downtown Denver off I-25, if you're looking. Has the big sign 'Enter through the Rear') and get gang sodomized, they can really pound my balls...
'Cause FREEDOM!
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:43 PM (j1tga)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:43 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 03, 2015 01:43 PM (PvZ8F)
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I believe that. It was one of my alternate theories
Interesting thing is that my bff, who is LDS and who normally gleefully joins in on making fun of Dingy Harry, went completely silent this week when I floated that idea past her. Very uncharacteristic.
FWIW I think it's gone through the Utah grapevine that this *was* the result of some sort of family thing or personal sin of Harry's.
Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2015 01:43 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (xSCb6)
Not blaspheming. I'm just second on the ladder, that's all.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:43 PM (L2xDv)
Phoenixgirl, that's an excellent book.
I was raised RCC and became an Atheist/Deist in high school - rather stridently so
took me many years to return to the RCC and still sort of hesitantly. pride is a b*tch (for me, to get over).
Posted by: UppityOrchid at April 03, 2015 01:43 PM (mJUSR)
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OK. But there are several other religions that say totally different things. And those true believers are convinced that their "bible" is correct.
How do we know which one is right? They can't all be right. Correct? So by definition the vast majority of religions have to be wrong. Christianity is the largest religion on earth (I think) but that doesn't mean it's the correct one. And if it is, does that mean the billions of non-Christians who are Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, etc are going straight to hell?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:43 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:44 PM (pmv/9)
It's both.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:44 PM (MMC8r)
absolute self-reliance fails, one's options narrow drastically. It's
either find a spiritual solution or find solace in the shooty end of a
12 gauge.
Bravo. Self-will run riot always ends badly.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at April 03, 2015 01:44 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:44 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (pmv/9
So the mooster is a Harry Reid fan? Who knew?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:44 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
Great response, but Sloopid is Smerter-Than-Yu (tm). He knows what's best for all proles.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 03, 2015 01:44 PM (JBzwC)
205 No one gives better spiritual advice than a guy who lives in a van down by the river cooking meth.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:38 PM (rwI+c)
FIFY. No wonder he's "rich"
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:44 PM (0FSuD)
BTW, the same conclusion has been reached by virtually all cultures. It is hardly exclusive to Christian culture.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (l1zOH)
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Yep. All cultures up until the 20th century, when the more enlightened cultures decided it was time for a change.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:45 PM (0LHZx)
You nailed it -- and I think more people than we think also hold that position
2+2=4, legislating that 2+2=5 does not make it so
Posted by: Big Star at April 03, 2015 01:45 PM (R6QU2)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:45 PM (pmv/9)
As a member of the Church of Christ, I often mock... the Church of Christ.
Does that mean I'm doing it wrong?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:45 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)
Yes. Yes, I do believe that.
You wanna do something about it, pussy boy?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 03, 2015 01:30 PM (0HooB)
I was agnostic at best. I'm still not that religious, but the night my mom died changed my attitude forever. I know I told this story before. I had 5 bad disks in my neck from a car accident. It blew out really bad in 2004, and the traces from that took 3 years to go away. It blew out again in 2011 which was 4 months before my mom got sick. I have one of those cervical traction things and had to be in it a few times a day. Spending a month in the hospital with my mom just made it worse. My neck was freezing up, I couldn't turn my head, my right arm and shoulder was numb, etc. The night she died I went home, sat on the couch, looked up and said mom, I hope you are ok. That's the last thing I remembered, I passed out. I moved to the bed eventually and could not sleep on my side for more than 15 seconds before the neck kicked in. For some reason it didn't hurt and I passed out again.
when I woke up the next morning there was no stiffness, and all traces of the neck injury was gone, all if it. I had a new body. Its been 4 years and I don't even think about the neck anymore. I can do everything I did before the car accident. Mom sent her message..no pain.
I'm not so agnostic anymore.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 03, 2015 01:45 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (0LHZx)
You tell him buddy!
Posted by: Harry Reid (P)ederast at April 03, 2015 01:45 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:46 PM (0LHZx)
There's no way you can physically divide that up on a map.
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 01:39 PM (K4YiS)"***
Sure there is. Divide the coasts and conquer, starve the holdouts in the urban castles. Get positively medieval on their asses.
Just make sure you're out of the castle.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:46 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Furious George at April 03, 2015 01:46 PM (UlJ3l)
There's a Constitutional right to live and work according to one's faith, but there is not a corresponding right to order a pizza.
131 characters, more or less.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 01:46 PM (noWW6)
Om second thought, reading this thread, I see you do so already.
Posted by: Mrs. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:46 PM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:46 PM (pmv/9)
If the choice is to throw my lot in with either the Christians or the godless heathen, that is a no brainer.
Especially when the godless heathen are coming after us.
I thought yesterday about the massacre in Kenya. How easy it would have been to deny Christ and be spared. And they didn't, and were killed, no different than the early apostles, all but one of which died brutally.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 03, 2015 01:46 PM (JgC5a)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:45 PM (pmv/9)
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So is every Mormon and Muslim going to hell?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:47 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:47 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:47 PM (pmv/9)
Someone told her they were reporting her for murder, just in case. lol
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (iQIUe)
"Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 03, 2015 01:45 PM (FMbng)"
I had not heard that story before. Thank you for sharing.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (OD2ni)
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Me too. My concise explanation of how WWI started is that Kaiser Wilhelm II, Czar Nicholas II, and Emperor Franz Joseph were all blithering buffoons. And when I look to the White House . . .
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (pmv/9)
As I've noted before, I've been all but told being a conservative makes me unhirable by all but a few places.
Being Christian makes it doubly so. I continue at this point less for the job opportunities (which seem all but non existent, given my radical views on things like mandated health insurance purchasing) but more for my own pride.
Relatedly, my brother is working an article that ties into all this for The College Fix, I won't steal his thunder except to say it deals with the Missouri "Bright Flight" Scholarship and degree choices.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (HDwDg)
Dude. You never go full retard.
Posted by: Kirk Lazarus at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (YSO42)
Posted by: just bob at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (WNERA)
There's a button that goes "ZZzzzzz"
And one next it that makes things go "whoop whoop whoop"
Another one that goes "ting!"
So I'm paid to fix the zzzzz one.
but right next to it is this BRB (big red button) encased in bulletproof glass with a key and combination lock that requires a fingerprint and a lifestyle polygraph to access.
So.... (and this is a story, and mostly fiction, but near enough to the truth that it's worth telling) I look at the newly minted butterbar and ask the obvious:
"What's this one do?"
"Sir, don't touch that"
"Im just asking a question. what happens if I open this thingy?"
"Sir, please don't touch that."
"If they put it here, they meant for someone to touch it right? or else why is it here?"
"sir...."
"dude... ya got a booger like... it's like right..."
and then everything went black.
I'm sure he'll clean it up (looks at watch). My plane leaves in about an hour. Gotta run!
Posted by: TangoNine at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (Qgr71)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:40 PM (mCz8+)
Go back to there, k?
Posted by: Tami at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (v0/PR)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:47 PM (pmv/9)
It doesn't.
Since sad-cow can't actually argue Christianity -being ignorant of all but the most popularized bits, he puts up a version suitable for a 3 year old, and argues against that.
Then he thinks he's so clever, because he could out argue a 3 year old.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:48 PM (kff5f)
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I won't believe a word of it until I her it from Harry Reid's lips.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (Dwehj)
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From a Christian perspective no, the point of Christianity is of course rather as described in the Bible.
But I was looking at the point of Christianity from a materialist perspective. What does Christianity *do* for Western societies? Leftists are mostly pseudo-materialists* so I was engaging from their perspective.
*Most of them actually believe in bizarre "spiritualist" philosophies loosely based on Christian morality of course.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (8d9Mk)
And what about people like you and me, anti-communists who live in the belly of the beast, surrounded on all side by immediate neighbors who would shun us if they knew out political outlooks
Be prepared to pop smoke.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:41 PM (rwI+c)
If the National Divorce comes about, a lot of folks will have to decide if they need to vote with their feet. It's painful to look directly into one's life and weigh what's important. I just did it myself, moved to Texas from lefty SoCal a little over a month ago.
I'll also note that one of the most common and horribly evil characteristics of any authoritarian/communist/totalitarian government is restricting people's movement. Specifically in not letting them flee.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (SpnVI)
no i don't, but how fkn rude is it to come to a site you know many do and say such an intentionally condescending post?
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (pmv/9)
been to deny Christ and be spared. And they didn't, and were killed, no
different than the early apostles, all but one of which died brutally.
And this is happening every day - people murdered by ISIS and Boko Haram are murdered for not renouncing Christ. They're beheading kids over this, for Pete's sake.
So yes, Moo Moo, I really believe Jesus literally died and came back 3 days later.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM (cXQJ2)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:40 PM (mCz8+)
You should go back then. And I call bullshit on your claims. Your gay friends are probably just like Matthew Shepherd. Getting rolled by their gay methhead boyfriends.
Posted by: buzzion at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:46 PM (pmv/9)
Greek homosexuality was primarily "mentoring".
We're not talking about consenting adults here.
Ditto with the Romans' brief experiment with gay marriage, which was pretty much confined to Nero and...well, there was also a distinct lack of adults in that scenario as well.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM (L2xDv)
Does that mean I'm doing it wrong?
From my experience, only if you use instruments while doing so.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM (4WhSY)
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM (K4YiS)
"So is every Mormon and Muslim going to hell?"
If you have to ask that question, you really do not understand Christianity at all. Perhaps it may be best to learn about what you openly mock.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:51 PM (l1zOH)
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So anyone who serves a cake to people who have ever eaten lobster will go straight to hell.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:51 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: MTF, laying in supplies for armageddon at April 03, 2015 01:51 PM (FCsIb)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:51 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:47 PM (0LHZx
So what are you willing die for big mouth?
Muslims going to hell? Yes.
Mormons going to hell? If they profess Christ as their Savior, no.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:51 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (pmv/9)
I have his posts hidden, so I can mostly ignore him. The only way I know what he's saying is when others quote him.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:51 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:52 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:47 PM (0LHZx)
Thanks for asking.
I don't know the mind of God (but I can see why you asked, what with me being so close to it and all) so whatever God wants to do, He can do.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:52 PM (L2xDv)
Begins? Oh Mr. Hammer you are so courteous
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:52 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:52 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:52 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM (4WhSY)
Hey! We've come a long way since I was a kid.
We even *clap* in service now.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (8ZskC)
Agreed. We've had the debate of what the proper term should be before. I forgot which one won, so nothing took apparently. Credentialed Ignorants has a certain panache. Authoritarian A**hole* might be a bit too coarse.
BTW, I saw Credentialed Ignorants open for Authoritarian A**hole* at Woodstock. They've since cut or lost most of their hair.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (1CroS)
Academia -- all about that diversity, unless you think or act differently.
Posted by: brak at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (Tj+s6)
Posted by: Mr. Hoo Haa at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (Dwehj)
Nah, reading is, like, hard, man. Why actually make an effort to learn something because he already knows everything? Even if he's proven wrong time and time again.
Posted by: Saber Alter at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (eawKK)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:47 PM (pmv/9)
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Heh. Mooboy is really showing his ignorance now.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (pmv/9)
Or the Old and New Testament.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (MMC8r)
Dude, that's...intense.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (2Ojst)
"Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you." so sayeth Levitucs
For fuck's sake.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (0LHZx)
I could see the establishment types wanting to render part of the
country uninhabitable rather than have anyone not under their yoke live
there.
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They will.
They are the White Witch.
Remember: She destroyed her entire world before she came to Narnia rather than lose power.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (ZvKdv)
Well, mine sure doesn't.
Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at April 03, 2015 01:49 PM (Dwehj)
Don't you remember the story of the loaves and tofu?
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (1CroS)
They need to see Joe Biden about that.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: UppityOrchid at April 03, 2015 01:43 PM (mJUSR)
it's eye opening for believers as well....so far the most touching part is when he was staying with the catholic family in france.....they were unquestioning believers and welcomed him with open arms...when he made clear he was an atheist they just looked at each other with no comprehension that anyone could not believe in God....they didn't judge him or try to convince him or anything....they were just stunned....the impact of that on him was a sadness that he was separated from them in what was the most important aspect of their life....and that he had disappointed them some how when they weren't even trying to make him feel that way.....i'm currently at the point he is back in the USA at columbia and is a self proclaimed communist
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (u8GsB)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (fWAjv)
wacking off peoples heads for opinions is not very american to me.
but maybe i'm wrong.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (nqBYe)
Uh, no.
By that standard, one could also say that ancient Rome experimented with Equine-Human Marriage, since Caligula tried to marry his horse.
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (nqBYe)
I've told my wife this exact thing. That if I weren't married to her, and we didn't have our kid I'd be dead or in jail over this shit already.
Posted by: GMan at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (sxq57)
For such an intellectual colossus, you seem oddly incapable of actually understanding anything.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (zF6Iw)
Heh. Mooboy is really showing his ignorance now.
This is the classic ignorance that the most smug atheists argue from-- absolute ignorance, but utter contempt, for the subject.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:51 PM (l1zOH)
Richard Dawkins division.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:55 PM (2Ojst)
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I have a can of minced clams..., which is past it's Sell-By date. Seems like good advice at this point.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:55 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:55 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:52 PM (pmv/9)
To be fair, neither does Red Lobster.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:55 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: buzzion at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM (zt+N6)"***
Only gay guy I ever knew (and I know several) who was ever beaten up because he was gay was savagely beaten by his fellow travelers in the parking lot of the gay bar they were at.
Not to say that gays don't get beaten for being gay, but hey, white people get beaten for being white on a much more frequent basis and in far greater numbers.
But gays are special little snowflakes.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 01:55 PM (xSCb6)
By that standard, one could also say that ancient Rome experimented with Equine-Human Marriage, since Caligula tried to marry his horse.
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (K4YiS)
I thought he appointed his horse to the Senate.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 01:55 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: buzzion at April 03, 2015 01:55 PM (zt+N6)
And call them 'fishers of men?'
Or did you spot the magic flaw in the Bible?
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 01:53 PM (/HX7u)
And I thought it was just a perfect day for manure odor accumulation.
Posted by: steveegg at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (cL79m)
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And stay away from convenience store sushi.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (SYMCn)
#225 Lol, Moo Moo just showed his support for pedophiles.
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Holy shit. He sure did.
Yeah, um, wow.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (ZvKdv)
We even *clap* in service now.
Must be a liberal congregation.
For the humor impaired: /s
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (4WhSY)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (2ePOO)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (pmv/9)
I'd marry my dog (platonic). But she has a roving eye for any other dog that comes by.
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: MoJoTee at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (aR8Ih)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (pmv/9)
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No shit? So abominations can turn into non-abominations? Kinda like an amendment to the constitution. Interesting. So why can't the "man lying with man" thingy be turned into non-abomination as well?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Mary Poppins
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People will ask
People will wonder why
In a well of intellect
Your bucket is dry
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (l1zOH)
Must be a coincidence?
Posted by: Dan at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (COpZ4)
Because he's not an athiest, but a self-thiest. Moo Moo has unshakable, unwavering faith in his own special snowflakiness.*
*Not all atheists are self-deists, (ace, for example, is not) but the ones like Moo Moo almost always are
Posted by: Saber Alter at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (eawKK)
Arent Ace's Mom's jokes an Easter tradition around here?
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 01:55 PM (L2xDv)
AmishDude for the win.....
Have a solemn Good Friday everyone....whether or not you believe, God loves you.....when no one else loves you....God loves you.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Mr. Hoo Haa at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (Dwehj)
"Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you." so sayeth Levitucs
For fuck's sake.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
So, kosher rules are cuckoo-crazy to you?
Jews have been following them for 3,000 years. Hasn't seemed to hurt or affect anyone else on earth in any way.
Yep -- the Bible features dietary restrictions against shellfish, pork, insects, and a few weird animals as well. This is news?
A few Christian sects follow kosher rules, but most don't. And the amount this affects me is...???
Should we similarly mock gluten-intolerant vegans, for having a kooky dietary restriction?
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 03, 2015 01:56 PM (4WhSY)
Sadly... there may be people who don't understand why that's funny.
The Church of Christ: so conservative we don't use copper; and we're not sure about this whole "fire" thing yet.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 01:58 PM (kff5f)
#303 LOL, Moo Moo doesn't know the difference between lobsters and fish.
Neither does "Nevergiveup" ha ha
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 01:58 PM (0FSuD)
If you want to spend eternity without God, that you shall also be granted.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 03, 2015 01:58 PM (JgC5a)
People are simply finding out that outward homophobia is unacceptable. Just like being an outward racist is unacceptable. If that lady had said she wouldn't serve pizza at a mixed race wedding, she'd have reaped the same whirlwind. Well, perhaps one with less gay porn. But the same basic thing.
Only no one would have donated money to them.
The entire South had to be dragged into repealing their anti-miscegenation laws by the Supreme Court (Rule by judicial FIAT!!!!!111!!) in 1967. Fifty years later and no one espouses these once universally popular opinions becuase there is an immediate social cost to doing so. Everyone seems to have gotten the memo even though I'm sure lots of people still hold these beliefs.
Well, here's the memo on this antiquated belief. They're here. They're queer. Get used to it.
History is going to skewer you guys on this one. Have you guys picked who gets to be your George Wallace on this issue? Is it Mike Pence? Oooh, it IS Pence. Sucks for Pence.
Of course, in 40 years you'll all be telling us how it was really the liberals who were anti-gay all along. Right?
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:58 PM (mCz8+)
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Boy, I tell you, I could have all the tofu I wanted pretty damn quick.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 01:58 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:59 PM (pmv/9)
"331 The kosher eating laws were abolished in the new covenant Moo Moo, that is why we can eat shell fish, pork, schnitzel, bacon, and bacon beer."
Many Jews still observe that so I guess he figured he would mock Jewish beliefs since Passover starts tonight. What a guy.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 03, 2015 01:59 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:59 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Rocko at April 03, 2015 01:59 PM (2Ojst)
Right here in the heart of the devotedly liberal, Obama-worshipping, Gaystapo-headquarters SF Bay Area, there used to be, located in a bad part of Croakland, a business called "Your Black Muslim Bakery".
It's closed now, because of the head of the bakery having been sent up on a murder-one conviction.
I do wonder how many of the ardent local social justice warriors here, instead of attacking a small town pizza parlor two thousand miles away over the Internet, would have been comfortable personally walking in to Your Black Muslim Bakery to order a cake for a gay wedding.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:00 PM (noWW6)
*belches a rank odor of rotted shrimp *
Posted by: Pharoh at April 03, 2015 02:00 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2015 02:00 PM (nqBYe)
or business
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:59 PM (rwI+c)
Or charm.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:00 PM (MMC8r)
Youse guyse also won't have to testify about any "exercise equipment accidents" either.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:01 PM (noWW6)
or business
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 01:59 PM (rwI+c)
Find out who the cow's partner who takes all the losses is and you'll find who took all the losses for The Cow...er...Hiliary Clinton.
Posted by: steveegg at April 03, 2015 02:01 PM (cL79m)
Bad timing.
But anyway. I think that story is really about how Jesus refused to go to medical school and came back 3 days later with some Shiksa his mom hated.
Posted by: Bigby's Gang Signs at April 03, 2015 02:01 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 02:01 PM (kff5f)
Somewheretime there's a Creator who made exploding stars and sharks, and (oddly enough) me.
keeping track of myself and my critters is going to eat up the remainder of the time I have left.
Point being: I don't have the time, position, or desire to judge anyone else's choices in life. Not to say that if I see bad I won't step off the road and take care of it, but for the most part I expect to be left the hell alone and extend the same courtesy to other people.
Posted by: TangoNine at April 03, 2015 02:01 PM (Qgr71)
Our provincial school marm threatens us with the fire next time, again.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 02:01 PM (rwI+c)
Jews have been following them for 3,000 years. Hasn't seemed to hurt or affect anyone else on earth in any way.
Yep -- the Bible features dietary restrictions against shellfish, pork, insects, and a few weird animals as well. This is news?
A few Christian sects follow kosher rules, but most don't. And the amount this affects me is...???
Should we similarly mock gluten-intolerant vegans, for having a kooky dietary restriction?
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 01:57 PM (K4YiS)
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Gluten intolerance is a disease called Celica. Look that shit up.
Back to the topic at hand....yes Kosher rules are as ridiculous as any other biblical rule, old or new testament. That's my point. It's some arbitrary rule like you can't eat lobster. Why the fuck not? Oh because god says it's evil. Really? God gives a fuck that I eat lobster but he's totes cool if I eat salmon. Yeah, that makes a whole lot of fucking sense.
And people wonder why religion is mocked.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (pmv/9)
What is says is don't eat fish-flavored body parts.
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 01:50 PM
........Hey!
Posted by: Ellen at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (qyGu1)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 01:54 PM (pmv/9)
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Mmmm. Bacon.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (0LHZx)
justice warriors here, instead of attacking a small town pizza parlor
two thousand miles away over the Internet, would have been comfortable
personally walking in to Your Black Muslim Bakery to order a cake for a
gay wedding.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:00 PM (noWW6)
The owner of Memories Pizza should have said they converted to Islam. It would have been fun to see the MFM and SJWs run for cover
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (3UGBQ)
Posted by: Mindy in the land of unvaccinated kindergarteners at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (n9mG3)
Posted by: Bud Norton at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (6cOMd)
Gluten intolerance is a disease called Celica. Look that shit up.
My Toyota is gluten-intolerant?
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (MMC8r)
Merely threatening selected straights with abduction, torture, homosexual rape, murder, and arson.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:58 PM (mCz8+
Just like 50 years ago Democrats were all in favor of civil rights, right Albert Gore Sr?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (pmv/9)
"Ning" I think his last name was.
First name was "War"
Posted by: TangoNine at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (Qgr71)
Don't worry ducky, when Shiria law takes over everything will be just sunshine and rainbows for you.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (3UGBQ)
back 3 days later? Like you think that shit actually happened?
Either you do or you don't. That part is simple. And it is the foundation of Christianity. If you think Christians don't believe that, you might want to read up some more on the religion.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 02:04 PM (vPh3W)
amendment to the constitution. Interesting. So why can't the "man lying
with man" thingy be turned into non-abomination as well?"****
If God presided over a constitutional republic, the analogy might work.
To answer your third question - because Christ hasn't returned with an update.
Honestly dude, when the agnostic is schooling you on basic Christianity, you might want to stop.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 02:04 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (MMC8r
Well... I wouldn't try pouring flour in the gas tank, that's for sure.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 02:04 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Mr. Hoo Haa at April 03, 2015 02:04 PM (Dwehj)
It'd be one thing if the US hadn't previously supported slavery, denying women the right to vote, Jim Crow, etc., in the past, but it seems pretty fucking stupid to continually hearken back to a time when apparently everything was okay (which we can apparently say was the years 1970-200
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I don't like what's going on. A business should be allowed to deny service to whomever it chooses. ..but, this whole the America I know/want is dead because I don't currently like the way the wind is going is retarded.
It'd be one thing if this were already a utopia and liberalism where shitting all over it, but it's not and it never was. there have always been problems, but the USA has always done the best at addressing and remedying them.
Mistakes in policy will always be made, but in no other country is their an avenue to remedy these mistakes.
Stop shitting all over everything because things aren't going your way and be part of something better.
Work in the system and make things right. Stop trying to take a moral high ground based on a historical precedent that doesn't exist.
We are apart of a flawed country that, like every other country in existence, has a deeply flawed, and often shameful history.
The only difference between us and everyone else is that we actively try and better ourselves
Posted by: taylork at April 03, 2015 02:04 PM (InDbP)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:04 PM (pmv/9)
Unfortunately for PooPoo, that event will probably be some extremely well-hung bear getting zapped by lightning as he takes PooPoo from behind in a dark alley while PooPoo moans, "please God save me!"
Posted by: Country Singer at April 03, 2015 02:04 PM (nL0sw)
Things they ignore.
Why would the disciples stick with a story that subjected them to nothing but ridicule and death? Oh yes, and if not true totally undermined the basis of their faith for enduring the ridicule.
Puzzle that.
P.S.: Also radio silence on Paul's conversion. Doesn't fit the narrative, you see.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (659DL)
You patently-dishonest fascist fuck.
Posted by: herpderp at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (95Kut)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (0LHZx)
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Perhaps it did in the ancient times when there was no refrigeration. Banning meats and other foods that decompose quickly or were naturally prone to parasites was just common sense law.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (/HX7u)
Really? God gives a fuck that I eat lobster but he's totes cool if I eat salmon. Yeah, that makes a whole lot of fucking sense.
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What a stupid comment. In pre-refrigeration days, it made a huge difference whether one ate salmon or lobster.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (2ePOO)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:03 PM (3UGBQ)
Or at least sunshine...at point-blank range.
Hint for the sloth, SFP 1,000,000 won't work.
Posted by: steveegg at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (XUKZU)
Somebody really needs to write a Christianity for Dummies book specifically for silly questions like this.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (zF6Iw)
I quit reading at "homophobia" as I assumed the rest was equally incorrect and illiterate.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 03, 2015 02:05 PM (2ePOO)
Shhh... he's rolling.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 02:06 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: willow
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Not entirely, he is a fervent worshiper of mammon.
Posted by: Pharoh at April 03, 2015 02:06 PM (l1zOH)
10) all the firstborn of Egypt are killed at the stroke of midnight of the 15th of the month of Nissan.
So, Sat is the 15th of Nissan. Does the stroke of midnight mean tonite? Or tomorrow night?
I have to be ready for that Angel of Death. You people have been no help at all.
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 02:06 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 02:06 PM (+1T7c)
Actually, it doesn't. Go back and read it again. What it says is an abomination is homosexual behavior, and oh by the way, the statute applies to everyone, not just exclusive homosexuals. So, if some gay dude gets his salad tossed by another guy, it's wrong. But if I, a straight guy, should hire a tranny hooker to toss my salad, that is equally wrong. See how that works? The law applies to everybody! What a radical concept!
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 03, 2015 02:06 PM (w2MRj)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:07 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 03, 2015 02:07 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Insomniac
He did that as well.
The marriage was only referenced by later writers who may have been trying to slander or mock Caligula -- we don't know how many of the stories about him were actually true.
Same with "gay marriage" in ancient Rome. Legally, such a thing did not exist -- campily, gay Romans on rare occasion would stage a mock "wedding", even though it was never official nor legally binding. It was more like a tranny stage act performance than an actual wedding. Gays have always done such things, as a lark, for fun. Dressing up as a bride -- fabulous!
There's a distinction between camp and reality.
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 02:07 PM (K4YiS)
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Well, except for cute little cub reporters looking for a juicy quote to get themselves out of shit media markets.
Or is that not what you meant?
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 03, 2015 02:07 PM (eytER)
The only difference between us and everyone else is that we actively try and better ourselves
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There should be common grounds with Islam, then, because they're trying to better us, too.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 02:07 PM (XUKZU)
Funny thing, though, you don't see too many of the people who are quick to rubbish all religion under an assumed name on the Internet instead going over to their local mosque in person, to tell the Muslim attendees what dopes they are for their belief in an invisible sky man, and how they all need to loosen up, be hip, and get with the modern era.
What's the name again for that class of people who choose to attack only those who won't or can't attack them back?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:07 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:08 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2015 02:02 PM (0LHZx)
You know who really got religion good?
That Piltdown Man guy.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 02:08 PM (L2xDv)
Not really. According to your current stunted logic, Bubba signed a heinous piece of anti-gay legislation back in '93. So please self-reference.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:08 PM (659DL)
Not really. According to your current stunted logic, Bubba signed a heinous piece of anti-gay legislation back in '93. So please self-reference.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:08 PM (659DL)
A Thai tranny hooker will box him about the ears.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at April 03, 2015 02:08 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Insomniac
Delaware elected the back of one.
Massachussetts elected the front.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:08 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 02:08 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (0FSuD)
HA!
Sharia law? You are the ones who are laying the groundwork for Sharia law as we speak. Your religion freedom laws. Your faith based law? That's just the other side of the same coin. When the great Islamic Caliphate comes to America we'll be here harping on the separation of chuch and state like we've always done. And you'll be hiding in your bomb shelter.
How about we just be a strickly secular government and put strong protections in place to keep it that way. That way we'll be protected from all you zealots.
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (mCz8+)
Posted by: Mark1971 at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (gYVbv)
Mr. Cow Dude: there is a big difference between being a non believer, and not respecting other's faith. This is not a difficult thing to resolve. What you say is flat out offensive and should not be countenanced...
Posted by: Pedantic Joe, Buff for life at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (PhNHa)
Point of order: I believe those based solely on race. I do not believe the thugs involved inquire as to their targets' sexual orientation.
Though I could be wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:07 PM (noWW6)
A big bunch of pussies?
Posted by: Country Singer at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (nL0sw)
Actually, it doesn't. Go back and read it again. What it says is an abomination is homosexual behavior, and oh by the way, the statute applies to everyone, not just exclusive homosexuals. So, if some gay dude gets his salad tossed by another guy, it's wrong. But if I, a straight guy, should hire a tranny hooker to toss my salad, that is equally wrong. See how that works? The law applies to everybody! What a radical concept!
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And many sins are attractive, anger, theft, lust, etc. We are all weak but strive to be better. We all sins but strive to repent.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: Insomniac
Delaware elected the back of one.
Massachussetts elected the front.
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So where does California come in?
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (oDCMR)
Your Black Muslim Bakery is a murderous cult. I thought they had shut them all down:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Black_Muslim_Bakery
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (iQIUe)
Point of order: I believe those based solely on race. I do not believe the thugs involved inquire as to their targets' sexual orientation.
Though I could be wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (kff5f)
Statistically speaking, 98% of them will be straight.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (2Ojst)
You'll have to pry little Jimmy's dick out first.
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (oDCMR)
That's the manure.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at April 03, 2015 02:11 PM (EMi53)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 03, 2015 02:11 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower
The Vatican?
*ducks*
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 03, 2015 02:11 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
I'm going to laugh for weeks over that one.
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 02:11 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (mCz8+)
So you oppose the First Amendment, then.
Figures. But let's get rid of the whole thing. I'd like to take a whack at Freedom of the Press.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 02:11 PM (L2xDv)
$702,058
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 02:11 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: willow
Think of it as evolution in action.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 02:11 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:11 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mark1971 at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (gYVbv)
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Siege
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2015 02:12 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:12 PM (0FSuD)
I've said for awhile that one of the major problems with Washington DC, re the Middle East, is ... because THEY have no faith, they do not understand how people of Faith work...
So when the head of Iran's government and religion says Death to America... they don't believe he means it... they can't see how those who truly have Faith, KNOW that God can make anything possible... ergo... even something the Elites consider silly, can be acted upon because God Wills it...
Which leads to LOTS of missteps in the Middle East... where people DO really believe...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 03, 2015 02:12 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Mark1971 at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (gYVbv)
I have asked that question for years. Usually someone says something like we will just relocate them or ??
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 03, 2015 02:12 PM (R8hU8)
His death had nothing to do with him being gay. This is yet another "hate crime hoax" from the left.
HOW IN THE FUCK DO WE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THESE LIES??!!!
Posted by: prescient11 at April 03, 2015 02:12 PM (q5APL)
who may have been trying to slander or mock Caligula -- we don't know
how many of the stories about him were actually true.
Same with "gay marriage" in ancient Rome. Legally, such a thing did
not exist -- campily, gay Romans on rare occasion would stage a mock
"wedding", even though it was never official nor legally binding. It was
more like a tranny stage act performance than an actual wedding. Gays
have always done such things, as a lark, for fun. Dressing up as a bride
-- fabulous!
There's a distinction between camp and reality.
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 02:07 PM (K4YiS)
Elagabalus (emperor from AD 218-222) used to cross dress and wanted to marry a guy. Thank Gaia, there weren't any homophobe Christians in charge then. Those tolerant open minded pagan Romans cut his head off and dumped him in the Tiber to show their support for his lifestyle
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:12 PM (3UGBQ)
Posted by: Methos at April 03, 2015 02:12 PM (ZbV+0)
"How about we just be a strickly secular government and put strong protections in place to keep it that way."
Umm, we've had that for over 200 years. It's the liberals that have a problem with the whole "free exercise" part of the First Amendment.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 03, 2015 02:13 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:13 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:13 PM (0FSuD)
So it's happening now? Awesome. Please read this and other threads from this relatively moderate conservative blog over the past week and tell me more about how us liberals created and maintained homophobia. I'm dying to hear it.
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:13 PM (mCz8+)
Posted by: Mr. Hoo Haa at April 03, 2015 02:14 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at April 03, 2015 02:14 PM (Hj9yW)
We'd gladly pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor in the cause of reclaiming the country from its enemies and restoring the Constitution but damn, we just can't get off from work.
Posted by: despair at April 03, 2015 02:14 PM (J6suc)
The Clintons have been insisting ever since that, oh, he didn't _really_ mean to sign that awful bill, and he was bullied into it by Congress, and he was regretful from the start to have had his hand thus forced, et cetera. Cue the sad music.
As the late Christopher Hitchens points out, Clinton wasn't so ashamed over his signing of that bill that it in any way deterred him from booking a huge amount of 1996 campaign radio airtime to boast to voters about his having done so.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:15 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:15 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Aviator at April 03, 2015 02:15 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 03, 2015 02:10 PM (XUKZU)
Is Anger a Sin??? Because God himself got pretty dang angry in the Old Testament...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 03, 2015 02:15 PM (qh617)
Posted by: zombie at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (K4YiS)
The Clintons have been insisting ever since that, oh, he didn't _really_ mean to sign that awful bill, and he was bullied into it by Congress, and he was regretful from the start to have had his hand thus forced, et cetera. Cue the sad music.
He said the same thing about welfare reform.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (MMC8r)
Probably had to take his Celica to the mechanic for gluten in the engine.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (eytER)
Limp wrists fall off a crucifix
Posted by: Roman Soldier at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (3ZtZW)
$711,253
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (iQIUe)
sacred honor in the cause of reclaiming the country from its enemies and
restoring the Constitution but damn, we just can't get off from work.
Posted by: despair
Yeah, and besides, it's raining.
The internet tough guys, they're everywhere.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (+1T7c)
Well, you certainly created and maintained the stigma. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (Dwehj)
SLBMs, not so much.
Imagine the over the top left-wing lunatics on the Seattle city council taking over the state of Washington, and gaining control of the Trident submarine base there.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (MMC8r)
liberals that have a problem with the whole "free exercise" part of the
First Amendment.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 03, 2015 02:13 PM (OD2ni)
They just can't seem to get that fact through their thick skulls
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (3UGBQ)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (pmv/9)
I'm going to respond to you as I did last night.
Classwide discrimination against women, minorities, and gays does not exist in this country EXCEPT among the liberal ranks who think that members of those classes are incapable of making decisions as individuals. End.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (659DL)
Posted by: mrp at April 03, 2015 02:16 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (SYMCn)
Has no one pointed out that the entire Matthew Shepard thing was a complete and total lie.
His death had nothing to do with him being gay. This is yet another "hate crime hoax" from the left.
HOW IN THE FUCK DO WE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THESE LIES??!!!
Posted by: prescient11 at April 03, 2015 02:12 PM (q5APL)
It was worse than that the guys who mugged him WERE gay.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (0FSuD)
Not that. More that I'd rather the stupid liberal fucks don't go after my wife and child.
Posted by: GMan at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (sxq57)
There were and are scads of gods that demand you kill your enemies. Here, let me introduce you to Woden and Thor. There is a special on Greek gods of wrath at the moment. The problem with Christianity is it requires a double scoop of Socrates to make a successful civilization. Universalism by definition needs to be seasoned by the parochial to be successful. Our elites are all into the universal while ignoring the local. Its a Missionary's occupational hazard.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (659DL)
Posted by: TangoNine at April 03, 2015 02:18 PM (Qgr71)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:18 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 02:19 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Foul Harold at April 03, 2015 02:19 PM (D8fDd)
That's exactly what the Left did -- created "homophobia" so tools like you could use it to argue and put good folks on the defensive.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 02:19 PM (SYMCn)
groundwork for Sharia law as we speak. Your religion freedom laws.
Your faith based law?
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (mCz8+)"***
It's just Sharia, a theological concept which does not distinguish between church and state. As such, it is incompatible with our system of governance.
By your twisted logic, the First Amendment is a "faith based law" which - to the literate population - is patently absurd. This new law simply clarifies what fascists like you can't seem to divine from the clear language of this land's law - that an individual citizen may not be forced to participate in a religious ceremony.
Slow down and read that over and over until it penetrates your thick skull.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2015 02:19 PM (xSCb6)
You're forcing gays into aping heteronormitivity such as through marriage.
Can't gays just be gay with you people?
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 02:19 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (0FSuD)
They were all gay, one of his attackers was a former lover, and the attackers were strung out on meth.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 02:19 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:19 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
My friend had a Celica. But he bought a Corolla later.
**SNIFF**
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 03, 2015 02:20 PM (JBzwC)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)
They'd just sail away.
I could just see Ohio - class skippers aligning with the Seattle City Council.
Sure.
Jerry Browne uber alles!!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 02:20 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:17 PM (0FSuD)
They were all gay, one of his attackers was a former lover, and the attackers were strung out on meth.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2015 02:19 PM (2Ojst)
MFM: When have we EVER let the truth get in the way of our agenda?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:20 PM (3UGBQ)
I've long been ambivalent about gay marriage. Live and let live, I said. But after all this recent gay nastiness, I'm thinking fuck it - let's oppress the shit out of them. Apparently it's either us or them, and I vote for us.
Posted by: Chris M at April 03, 2015 02:20 PM (6RZos)
$718,423
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 02:21 PM (iQIUe)
Yeah, the conservatives have been too busy for the past 30 years to pay attention to the fact that the radical leftist loons took over the schools and indoctrinated their children. We are doomed because the left controls everything and unfortunately, they also have the younger generations on their side now as well. The conservatives didn't bother to pass on their values to their children. They didn't bother to keep an eye on what their children were being taught. They also couldn't be bothered to go out and be activists for right leaning causes. They basically let the left take over and didn't do a damn thing about it!
I am really sorry that the revolution was and is inconvenient. I am also very sorry that freedom is so expensive. Oh well, I am sure the left won't round up every conservative, and I am sure at least some of us will be able to keep a small room for our families in our own house after everything is nationalized. Yeah, I am sure it will all be okay. Uh huh. Sure.
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at April 03, 2015 02:21 PM (2/oBD)
So we are now in an era wherein the US court system decides and regulates Church doctrine. Great.
Let me know when we are supposed to start shooting people. I don't have a clue who or where but send me a twitter or something.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at April 03, 2015 02:21 PM (agKOd)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
Celica? Wait a minute, isn't that a CAR?
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 03, 2015 02:21 PM (w2MRj)
Sure.
Jerry Browne uber alles!!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 02:20 PM (+1T7c)
and even if the Capt. did???
/Nuc ET scrams the reactor...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 03, 2015 02:21 PM (qh617)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6DjQ1-T3z8&feature=youtu.be&t=45s
Of course, it is more fun in Technicolor!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIiNOl5IiLA
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at April 03, 2015 02:21 PM (EMi53)
workplace; he is convinced that if his colleagues in academia knew of
his faith, they would make it very hard for him."
as a last note: as a former/recovering professor, been there.
'cept for the part that I can't keep my trap shut and have no filter.
So picture gun-toting conservative physics prof with a high and tight who says eaxactly what he thinks.
Kids loved me.
Staff? not so much.
2 years I lasted. Pushed around 500 gremlins and I know every one of their names.
Posted by: TangoNine at April 03, 2015 02:22 PM (Qgr71)
Posted by: aj at April 03, 2015 02:22 PM (dHkgR)
They were all gay, one of his attackers was a former lover, and the attackers were strung out on meth.
And Rosa Parks wasn't a tired seamstress.
And these gay couples aren't innocent passers-by.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:22 PM (MMC8r)
John F*cking Kerry is supposedly a hot pop culture icon after his hawt negotiating skills were displayed.
Andrea Mitchell is just trying to bed him as he is younger than Methuselah errr I mean Greenspan
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 02:22 PM (l1zOH)
John F*cking Kerry is supposedly a hot pop culture icon after his hawt negotiating skills were displayed.
Andrea Mitchell is just trying to bed him as he is younger than Methuselah errr I mean Greenspan
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 02:22 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: Jonah at April 03, 2015 02:23 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (mCz8+)
That's been tried several times before. Lotta people die in those arrangements.
Expel religion from the public square and you create a vacuum the all-powerful State is drooling to occupy.
Posted by: Mindy in the land of unvaccinated kindergarteners at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (n9mG3)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: TangoNine at April 03, 2015 02:22 PM (Qgr7
I was wondering if you had left. Guess you did
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (l1zOH)
However, let's recognize that at that time there was classwide discrimination. In 2015, NO SUCH THING EXISTS. Yet, to some it's always Montgomery in 1955.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (659DL)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (L2xDv)
It would be more funny if the crews were all interned and sent to the Happy Fun Re-Education Camps, and the local liberal loons had to try to figure out how to fire up the reactors on the boats, relying on what they had been taught for their various social-justice university degrees.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (mCz8+)
Brendan Eich forgotten?
and so who will protect those from zealots such as You?
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress in his Celica at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (JBzwC)
They are raising money hand over fist over there.
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 03, 2015 02:25 PM (iQIUe)
"In philosophy, the term critical theory describes the neo-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, which was developed in Germany in the 1930s."
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Critical_theory?
Posted by: PiperPaul at April 03, 2015 02:25 PM (bz4bs)
Give it up, Andrea, "fetch" is never going to happen.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 03, 2015 02:25 PM (cXQJ2)
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 03, 2015 02:25 PM (91eZY)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 03, 2015 02:25 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 03, 2015 02:26 PM (cXQJ2)
Oh yeah, it's Barry O's stock and fucking trade.
Here's teh fucking headline that should have been written: "Gay drug deal goes bad, youth is killed."
I was shocked when I heard the truth about what really happened in the Matthew Shepard case. AND THEN IT'S ON OPRAH'S FUCKING NETWORK TO RELIVE IT. THEY KEEP PERPETUATING THE FUCKING LIE AND NOBODY CALLS THEM ON IT.
FFS.
Posted by: prescient11 at April 03, 2015 02:26 PM (q5APL)
And people wonder why religion is mocked.
-------
**taps chin**
What were you saying yesterday about stupid Americans and hypocrisy.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2015 02:26 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (mCz8+)
Yeah. Fuck the First Amendment.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:26 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: People Corp at April 03, 2015 02:26 PM (TzeLs)
history proves it.
besides , insurance , etc.
why do secular people want a basic religious experience such as marriage?
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2015 02:26 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: The Falconer at April 03, 2015 02:26 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (mCz8+)
So one of the laws you wish to ditch is, Thou shalt not kill. I don't think you would like that to go away. Oh how about "Thou shalt not steal, maybe Thou shall not bear false witness?
So what laws do we leave on the books that came from Judeo-Christian teachings?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 02:27 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:27 PM (pmv/9)
Moo Moo has already burned through every irony meter on the blog today.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:27 PM (659DL)
I'm in a mixed marriage. The grief we get is solely from leftists, because "colonial patriarchy" / "cultural appropriation" or some shit.
Posted by: wooga at April 03, 2015 02:28 PM (xqbRO)
Posted by: Draki at April 03, 2015 02:28 PM (pmv/9)
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at April 03, 2015 02:28 PM (74McK)
.....and so who will protect those from zealots such as You?
Posted by: willow
I kinda thought that's were we were headed. But it's never about letting people alone, letting people live their lives.
Conform or be cast out!. Turning the whole country into a nightmarish high school mean girls drama.
Normal people will revolt.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 02:28 PM (+1T7c)
I'd rather serve barefoot shirtless hippies and frown at their atttire, or lack of, then plaster on some phony approving face at Adam and Steve because I am forced to wholeheartedly embrace their very personal, very unhealthy sexual practices.
Posted by: se pa moron at April 03, 2015 02:28 PM (xQX/f)
And "Tom Celica" is the secret service nickname for Reggie Love when Barry and Reggie are on holiday at Robin's Nest.
Posted by: Fritz at April 03, 2015 02:29 PM (ty633)
However, let's recognize that at that time there
was classwide discrimination. In 2015, NO SUCH THING EXISTS. Yet, to
some it's always Montgomery in 1955.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (659DL)
Barry: It's always Selma for me because that's where my parents met for the first time 4 years after I was born
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:29 PM (3UGBQ)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 03, 2015 02:29 PM (ucB75)
------------------
"Why do the heathen rage..?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 03, 2015 02:29 PM (l1zOH)
All we need now is for erg to drop by and put us some wisdom.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 03, 2015 02:29 PM (g1DWB)
I was wondering if you had left. Guess you did
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (l1zOH)
My department chair, who I'd also taken quantum from as and undergrad, apparently didn't like the part where I said he couldn't teach for shit and was even more worthless as a dept chair.
Goin' in, you pretty much know that's a hill yer gonna die on.
but sometimes shit needs to be said.
My last words to him were: "... and yer hair is... hairy! hah!"
(best I could come up with in flex cuffs)
Posted by: TangoNine at April 03, 2015 02:30 PM (Qgr71)
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 03, 2015 02:30 PM (JgC5a)
He still never told me where the Christian theocracies were.
I'm trying to book a vacation, here.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 03, 2015 02:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Brian Williams at April 03, 2015 02:31 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress in his Celica at April 03, 2015 02:31 PM (JBzwC)
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 02:09 PM (mCz8+)
Another word for those "protections" you referenced: gulags.
Posted by: Mindy at April 03, 2015 02:31 PM (n9mG3)
Oh Celica you're breaking my heart
You're shaking my confidence daily
Oh, Celica, I'm down on my knees
I'm begging you please to come home
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:31 PM (3UGBQ)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye
Penicillin won't stop Supra!
The heartbreak of Subaru!
Camry killed my friend's dog (no wait, that really happened).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 02:32 PM (+1T7c)
Let 'em buy their own buttplugs
Posted by: Folsom Street Fag at April 03, 2015 02:32 PM (fUjxW)
It's not like the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" clause is in there anymore with the liberals fighting against religious conscientious objectors.
I think that is why some states are wielding these sometimes awkward RFRA laws.
Posted by: Rex B at April 03, 2015 02:33 PM (OXzvH)
Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2015 02:33 PM (noWW6)
But billions of people celebrate his death and resurrection because he was actually sent from God as he said.
Greatest man in history - we still use his birth year for our calendar.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 03, 2015 02:33 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 03, 2015 02:24 PM (fWAjv)
I bet Easter Day. God's will.
$729K
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 03, 2015 02:34 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: prescient11 at April 03, 2015 02:35 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Rex B
The point of the RFRA laws was to provide clear statutory relief for cases of religious dissent with either the government or civil disputes. It was to prevent every 1st amendment appeal from going the Federal circuit course, which is absurd.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 03, 2015 02:35 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 03, 2015 02:29 PM (ucB75)
without context, it appears you just picked 5 random words from a dictionary
Posted by: TangoNine at April 03, 2015 02:35 PM (Qgr71)
And because he was God made flesh, come to take away the sins of the world. For everyone.
Amazingly, and this is something the "alternative theory" crowd always seems to ignore, these things are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:36 PM (659DL)
Lawyers have access to a wealth of power and privileged information. Names, addresses, phone numbers, emails, yacht docks, meeting places, hangouts.
He is a valuable resource. Let him stay right where he is.
Posted by: Asparagustuteme Ex Infernis at April 03, 2015 02:37 PM (vEbex)
Posted by: jwest at April 03, 2015 02:37 PM (9ZZd+)
Yeah, but you have have to understand that for lefty totalitarians like seattle slough, this is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 03, 2015 02:38 PM (w2MRj)
Have you guys picked who gets to be your George Wallace on this issue?
Is it Mike Pence? Oooh, it IS Pence. Sucks for Pence.
Of course, in 40 years you'll all be telling us how it was really the liberals who were anti-gay all along. Right?
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 01:58 PM (mCz8+)
How about a rousing rendition of Tomorrow Belongs to Me for old times sake, komerade?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 03, 2015 02:38 PM (3UGBQ)
Obviously a con job. They sent ACTION MUTANT NEWS 57 to memories to ask the question to generate a backlash to which the Jesus nuts would send $700K to the bigots and they would answer with a counter-counterbacklash to generate 400 bucks.
No, wait...
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2015 02:39 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 02:40 PM (SYMCn)
Or just about any regular AOSHQ moron here could have done it, for that matter. So what was Pence's problem? He really stepped on his own dick.
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 03, 2015 02:40 PM (w2MRj)
Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at April 03, 2015 02:40 PM (zL/eJ)
"Alix" has the Rachel Maddow boys haircut AND the boys button-down dress shirt going on
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 02:41 PM (SYMCn)
Posted by: Saber Alter at April 03, 2015 02:42 PM (eawKK)
"Alix" seems like the typical youtube viewer who spends their days scouring youtube for "haters" and reports videos she doesn't like and flags comments she doesn't like as spam or offensive.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 03, 2015 02:43 PM (SYMCn)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at April 03, 2015 02:48 PM (RJMhd)
We have the collected wisdom of the ages, books written by brilliant people over the centuries. With all that wisdom, do we pass it along to our children? Why, no. We have people that get their moral philosophy from tv shows.
It's no surprise that the mental midgets on the board today are from WA state, when the leftist thugs are in control.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 03, 2015 03:00 PM (5HBd1)
The center is holding, but the institutions are systematically invaded from within. We want healthy food, clean environment, but we get the "green" movement. Then we get CO2 is a poison.
Religions get marginalized as well. And the private sector and public sector get unions. And Democrats now seem to be fed the hate propaganda from Hollywood and the MSM, where communism crept in and made McCarthy the bad guy (obnoxious as he may have been)
I still see the large groups of people holding, but the institutions systematically overrun. Hopefully the blogs can still save the day, and maybe some candidates with the right message.
Posted by: Illiniwek at April 03, 2015 03:00 PM (QGjci)
Posted by: Jen the original at April 03, 2015 03:01 PM (PfWwQ)
The funny thing is, George Wallace admitted he knew segregation was on the way out when he said "segregation forever."
The question is, are you as wise as George Wallace? Or do you really think "traditional values" are going to win out on this? Have civil rights ever gone backwards?
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 03:06 PM (mCz8+)
At least he is trying to do something.
Where is Pence suppose to even start when Americans are no longer taught the foundational elements of why we are America- and the current culture tells them that our Judeo Christian belief system is something to be embarrassed about and uncool?
It's these kinds of attacks that discourage politician from putting themselves out there.
It helps the liberals with the roll over.
It's how societies descend into evil- few will fight back and the watchers will sit and critique the "style" of those that do.
At least that is one of the explanations of why so many Germans enabled you know who...Hitler.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at April 03, 2015 03:09 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 03, 2015 03:19 PM (cIoI4)
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 03, 2015 03:25 PM (XrHO0)
You may feel bad about liking it, or pretend to feel bad, but given a choice between dying really old and unhealthy or a reasonable chance at going Arkan's Tigers on the architects of our national ills, I know which one I'd take.
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at April 03, 2015 03:39 PM (+YMDZ)
Look at the world's least religious countries.
Now look at the world's most religious countries.
One of those lists is filled with prosperous, safe, and free citizens. The other isn't. I'll let you guess which is which.
Posted by: seattle slough at April 03, 2015 03:51 PM (mCz8+)
Posted by: Keith Eppich at April 03, 2015 04:19 PM (V72vb)
Posted by: Chilling the most at April 03, 2015 04:33 PM (zW5rQ)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 03, 2015 05:15 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: I put the licks in Alix at April 03, 2015 05:23 PM (ZWyZJ)
I seem to recall that Rod Dreher left (or was invited to leave,
depending on who you ask) National Review because they were too
conservative for him.
Food for thought.
Dreher isn't a conservative. He's a narcissist who lays his eggs in the hair of conservatives like Ace so they'll promote his books.
Posted by: Peter at April 03, 2015 07:14 PM (FKRzq)
Indentification as either a Christian or conservative turns one into an academic and social leper within university circles.
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at April 04, 2015 12:50 AM (ZDz2H)
"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you."
". . . all of these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not Him that sent me."
"He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning."
Blessed Passover, and Happy Easter, all y'all
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Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)