Dear Bill Quick: You're Wrong In Every Claim You Make, and You're Enlisting Yourself Out as an Enemy of Freedom

Bill Quick is fightin' angry about thoughts that I don't have.

He quotes me:

The New Intolerance: We Are Now Required To Embrace Just About Everything, Except the Gutter Religion Christianity
Incidentally– Are there any beliefs on the left which have not been sacralized?
That is, do they have any beliefs which are open to question without inviting their typical full-spectrum punishment regime, from group coordinated stigmatization to pursuit in the courts?

Then he asks, rhetorically, because people with few answers like to believe they know all the answers:

So, Ace: You okay with Muslim owned businesses refusing to serve women not “properly” covered -- ie., bagged in a burkha, because Religious Liberty?

Yes.

By the way, I could end the post here, because he will now yammer on for a few hundred words assuming that my answer must be "no," and why that's terrible.

But the answer is "Yes."

This is an easy one. What the fuck do I care? A shop owner has the right to set a dress code. Especially if this were a store geared towards Islamic identity -- an Islamic bookstore, say, or a restaurant -- this one isn't even a question.

But even absent that-- what should I care what the dress code is here, or whom he wants his clientele to be? He doesn't want to serve me, and get this -- I don't wish to be served by him.

How about the Muslim cab driver refusing to transport passenger with dogs or alcohol, because Religious Liberty?

This is trickier because in the case of the store, I have to seek that out. I have to go to the nuisance, as it were. In the case of a cab, I could call for a cab, wait 25 minutes for it, and then, only upon his arrival, be told "Well I'm not going to take you because of these crazy restrictions I never warned you about when you hailed me."

In other words: In the case of the cab, the nuisance comes to me, and that's more of a problem.

But if that one kink could be worked out -- that I could use a cellphone app to summon only cabs that would take me, and would not be punished with discovering, in the rain, that a Muslim cabdriver was refusing to take my fare after waiting 25 minutes -- yes, again, what do I care?

If I hail him, and he does not inform me of his list of silly objections, then yes, in that case, he is bound to take me, because he did not give me his objections before the contract for service was entered into.

But as long as he tells me his objections before that -- Why would I care?

Honestly I'd prefer knowing my driver was a hardcore adherent of a religion which often encourages its faithful to crash vehicles into buildings Because God Hates Vehicular Safety.

Unlike some other Dummies, I'm not really of a mind that we must all Follow the Same Rules and all Subscribe to the Same Bland, Grey, Dead Corporate-Friendly Culture in which no one is really religious or different or odd at all Because That's Bad For Corporate Business.

I think people should have -- and by God, do have -- the right to be fairly different from one another.

That's fucking America.

Did you not know that? That that's what America is?

That America is the right to be different from other people?

I don't see why a store run by a pious conservative Muslim can't demand that women be covered, if that's his bag, nor why a store run by a pious conservative Catholic can't also insist that women cover their shoulders, if that's his sense of what his business should be, of what should happen on property he owns.

Will there be hurt feelings when some are turned away?

Sure.

And who cares?

What the fuck are we, babies? Is this kindergarten, where everyone must be made to feel welcome, always?

Why the fuck would you think I would even care about this shit? Is it because you care about it so much, that you are so concerned about maintaining a Standard Generic Vanilla Corporate-Friendly Non-Culture Culture everywhere, that the idea of a Muslim religious bookstore which insists on a strict dress code for women is mentally deranging?

To be honest with you, I already assume there already are Islamic bookstops which will demand that women leave unless properly veiled.

And yet I'm not pissing myself about this.

Why would I want to go to that shop in the first place?

A culture without any rough parts, without any Proud Nails that won't be pounded down, without any Strangeness that people just insist upon because it's Their Culture, That's Why, is not a culture at all.

It's a fucking shopping mall. It's a fucking Airport Neutral Palate Color Scheme. It's the gray paste they feed to people in comas.

It's nothing. Nothing.

A lot of people seem to dream of America as a great bland nothing.

And they're winning, too.

There is a strand of thought that is often found among conservatives, which is itself actually not conservative. And that is the tendency towards a fairly pronounced Corporatism.

Let me explain what I mean by that. When you are at work, you are under a series of rules and codes designed to reduce your individuality. Businesses -- Corporations -- do not want the full flower of your individual expression. They don't want you dressing flamboyantly, they don't want you talking about deviant sex or, actually, non-deviant sex either, they don't want you proselytizing, they don't want you arguing about politics, they don't want you offering your views on the relative accomplishments of the various Races of Man.

Let me say: I have no problem with this. This makes perfect sense. When you are in a working environment, you're not there to let your freak flag fly. The business does not want to know you as a Special Snowflake in all your oddball glory.

Someone who insists on festooning themselves with all their cultural/sexual/religious/political signage at work gravely mistakes how interested anyone at work is in learning about them as a person. People at work do not, by and large, want to know you as a person. Some might; most don't.

People at work want to keep this impersonal and polite but not familiar, because impersonal and polite but not familiar is the general code of conduct for not angering strangers one is forced, by circumstances, to be within close proximity to.

Manners, in all their artificiality, do not exist to navigate relations with your close relations. Manners are an artificial code of conduct designed to reduce frictions and any chance of showing disrespect or causing offense among strangers and semi-strangers.

I have no problem with the Corporate Code of Conduct at the corporation itself. When I'm forced to be at work, yes, of course I will abide by the "no hot political talk" and the "no sex talk" and "no cursing" and "no ethnic slurs" rules. Partly because I was raised that way, but also partly because I wish the benefit of the bargain-- I myself would like to be free of other people's Freak Flags. I don't want them gratuitously offending me, or assuming an over-familiar posture with me, so I will, to modify my own behavior and dress so that it is corporate bland and business casual.

But while I completely understand and endorse the Business Casual system of empty, gray dullness at work, I do not and will not accept it outside of work.

It is one thing to demand that I comport myself as if I am walking on eggshells for 9 or ten hours a day, at work. It is another thing entirely to further insist that when I get Home, and rest at my metaphoric Castle, that I must continue to follow the Corporate Rules of Conduct.

Here's my answer to that: Go fuck yourself. You cannot pursue me from work to home and hound me with your constant need for Conformity in all things.

Bill Quick is essentially making the case for Conformity in all things, in all spheres. He sees people making their Silly Religious Objections as possibly Offensive to some people, and causing some Friction, and certainly Bad For Business.

Well so fucking what, Bill Quick? The Corporate Handbook of Proper Employee Conduct may apply when I am working in an office with 100 strangers, but it does not apply when I own my own fucking business and my own fucking property.

On that ground, I can design any rules I wish. And if this makes your gray, corporate brain go all a-flutter at the potential disorderliness!!!, well, go fuck yourself, buddy. I do not exist to appease your OCD need for Hierarchy, Structure, Order, Regularity, and Standard Procedures in all facets of life.

Some people continue to be wigged out at the idea that I can buy alcohol in one county but the next county over -- get this! -- it's illegal to sell booze.

They just seem to have this baseline devotion to the ideal that we should all be the same. That each county should follow the same rules. That a traveler, moving from one county to the next, should not be surprised or bothered to discover there are Different Rules in effect, or a Different Culture.

That we should, in short, all have the Same Rules, and the Same Culture, with all Proud Nails pounded flat to the wood, so that there is no danger of snagging anyone's clothing or giving anyone a cut.

Some find that comforting.

I find it creepy. I also find it be the height of Entitlement: In what fucking spasm of ego did you conceive that other people exist to protect your mental Safe Place from any discombobulation and discomfort?

It bothers Bill Quick that one bakery could have one set of policies, and yet a bakery down the street could, get this, have an entirely different set of policies.

That's just wrong, he apparently thinks. We all need to be on the same page as far as Bakery Policies, or else -- else -- else...! Well, That Way Madness Lies, surely.

The idea that I must never be exposed to any thoughts I find weird -- like a Muslim demanding that women be veiled -- like a Catholic church demanding that women cover their shoulders -- is simultaneously infantile, weak, and entitled.

I guess this is the difference between Bill Quick and I: Bill Quick seems to pine for an orderly world in which a controlling hierarchy pursues us in our every waking hour to impose the Corporate Rulebook on us, even when we're not at the Corporate Headquarters, even when we own our own business which is not governed by any Corporate Rulebook but our own.

He finds that comforting.

I find it terrifying.

I think conservatives have long been overly trusting of corporate and social power, usually assuming we'd be in control of it, so that we would be protected from any misuse thereof.

I think we are now suddenly discovering that was a terrible assumption to make, and that we should have been asking ourselves, all along: What if this power to gin up the forces of social conformity and legal bullying were not in our hands, but in fact used against us?

Well, if any conservatives were previously unaware of the danger of empowering scolds, busybodies, bureaucrats, and police to Make You Behave As The Group Thinks Is Proper, surely none can still be ignorant.

If you're still fighting for Statism and Conformity and Group Decisionmaking, you are an enemy of liberty and an enemy of conservatism.

I think you get the point.

But do you get the point, Dummy? You seem to think I care about these things, because, Of course I must.

After all, I'm to be playing a Strawman Role you've assigned to me in your fat-clotted head.

But in fact I don't. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit about being denied service at a Muslim Halal Shop, and, as long as we work out a system which avoids me waiting in the rain for a cab which later rejects me, I don't care about Muslim cab drivers refusing to ferry alcohol or dogs around, either.

You cannot be logically consistent on this issue unless you drop the bullshit about Christians being singled out -- (Muslims famously murder gays), and accept that if religious liberty permits Christians and Christian businesses to discriminate against gays, then you have to also permit Muslims and their businesses to discriminate against gays -- and women, and dogs, and drinkers, and kaffirs, and the whole host of religious proscriptions that religion subscribes to.

I have no idea what you're rambling on about, but it is much easier to be logically consistent on this issue than you seem to imagine, Dummy.

And if you say, "pshaw, I’m just talking about Christians here. We can’t let the Muslims run wild, that would be crazy."

Another thing Dumb People like to do is put Dumb Objections in your mouth -- Dumb Objections they can then easily, and dumbly, swat aside.

Well, at that point you’re demanding the state to establish a religion -- and that, dear friends, is really unconstitutional -- re-read that First Amendment you’re shrieking at the top of your lungs about.

You're blathering on quite a bit assuming that I'd object to either of these hypotheticals. Which I don't.

Also, yes, this is terribly, terribly important -- to the dozen or so gay couples who will request wedding cakes from the dozen or so bakers (some of whom may well be Muslim) who will refuse them.

Mm-hm. There sure aren't many gay bakers.

And even fewer gay florists.

And gay photographers? Why, nearly none of those.

In the meantime, Obama is giving Iran nuclear weapons, but Jebus --we have much more important things to screech about.

Gee I notice you screeched about it-- just on the other side. So I guess it is worth talking about-- so long as you support the leftwing position on it.

Leftwingers do this all the time -- they employ the rhetorical gambit, "How silly it is for you to ever care about this trivium!"

So you say: Well, Old Man, if it's trivial, surely you wouldn't mind conceding the trivial point to me, eh?

At which point they say: "Are you mad? This is an important matter of principle!!!"

Just like this dummy did right here. Right after he chided me about this not being so important, he informed me that it was terribly important to about a dozen gay couples.

Well, it's probably also important to a dozen Christians in the baking business.

Either way, your childish "This is too small an issue for you to argue about!!!" gambit fails.

By the way, I've been covering Iran a lot.

When I say Americans are stupid, this is the sort of thing I’m talking about.

Me too. I completely agree with you that most Americans are stupid. In fact, many people who spit up their every pique and half-baked Blog-Slam!!! are among the stupidest of all.

Food for thought: This country is increasingly paranoid about people who don't bow to the accepted Order of Things.

The country plainly does not like Small Independent Business owners, because without a larger Corporation overseeing their decisions, How do we know they'll make the right decisions? How do we force them to make the right decisions?

Corporations are cowardly and leftwing and the height of conformism.

But what about these damned Independents-- these Wildcatters with their own businesses, their own leases, and no Board of Directors or Shareholders to answer to?

How can we endure knowing that some people are out there Making Up Their Own Rules???!!!!

When Christians and their fellow-traveling conservatives (like me) were in more of a dominant social position, we didn't have to think much about the dilemma of whether we would like a system by which we get to impose our Rules and Values on Others, or whether we would like to be free from other people imposing their Rules and Values on Us.

See, when you're in a dominant social position, you don't have to make that choice, because you get Both. You are in a strong enough position to not have to worry too much about a hostile majority pushing its Rules and Values on you. You are the Majority, or a Near Majority, at least; so you can push a regime which is more insistent on Conformity, because you are numerically strong enough to stop the worst abuses of a Conformity Regime from being inflicted on you.

But we're not in that position any longer. We can longer use our numerical might to block other people's aggressions in this sphere. We can no longer have our cake and eat it too; we must choose.

We must now begin choosing which is more important: A regime in which the Majority gets to Impose Rules on a Minority (hoping we can occasionally be the Majority and Impose some of our Rules), or a Regime in which the Majority is de-powered, so that any Minority (including, most importantly, us) is less likely to be bullied by the Majority at all.

Some people still do not get this choice they are confronted with. They continue to insist that it's still 1988 and that we can have both, that we can have a regime in which a majority bullies an unpopular minority and be free of such bullying.

Other people see a choice, but seem to think that Corporate Conformism is more important than liberty.

I choose to be self willed. Empowering myself means de-powering others.

Sorry, Bill Quick. I don't want you or any of the other rules-following, orderliness-obsessed corporatists making decisions for me.

I choose liberty, and I choose my own conscience. And choosing that means, get this, that I must also choose liberty and the right to conscience for others.

This is a time for clarity, and this is a time for choosing. This is a time to discover who it is who really supports Liberty and Freedom, and who it is who is really all about Control and Conformity.

For many years, many conservatives have really been more about the latter than the former. I have admitted, and I will continue to admit, I was among them. I have long had pronounced authoritarian and statist tendencies.

I fight against them now, like an alcoholic fights his lust for drink.

But too many conservatives continue championing Social Control and Conformity while mouthing the empty platitudes about how wonderful Freedom is.

Freedom to do exactly what is permitted on pages 36-42 of the Corporate Handbook, that is.

Anything else is A Disorder and thus Subversive.

If keeping my own freedom means, horror of horrors, also granting it to a Muslim, then I am prepared to make that deal all. day. long.

It is time to put away childish things. Either you support liberty and justice for all, or you support it for none.

I will continue responding to Fake Libertarians who wish to explain to me why True Libertarianism requires Coercion in service of Conformity
— TheClassyLife (@AceofSpadesHQ) April 2, 2015

The man who says "I support freedom, up to the point it causes disorder or inconvenience" does not support freedom. He is an authoritarian.
— TheClassyLife (@AceofSpadesHQ) April 2, 2015

Posted by: Ace at 01:10 PM

Comments

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1 We gonna get grey comments again?

Posted by: HH at April 02, 2015 01:08 PM (Ce4DF)

2 The number of F-bombs in this post make me think that Ace doesn't give a fuck about cursing anymore.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 02, 2015 01:09 PM (FA3Z7)

3 Whew... Now that's a lotta text... back to read

Posted by: jdub at April 02, 2015 01:10 PM (WDySP)

4
My G_d it's great to be me.....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 02, 2015 01:10 PM (HSmrB)

5 P.S. He doesn't get the point because he's a fucking statist dummy.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 02, 2015 01:10 PM (FA3Z7)

6 What are things like 36 minutes into the future?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:11 PM (n9kSQ)

7 Roll out the barrel!

Posted by: Alan at April 02, 2015 01:11 PM (uq4RW)

8 Nice...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2015 01:11 PM (LA7Cm)

9
That was some movie.

Oh, crap - it's reality

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:11 PM (dquK7)

10 Help! I'm lost in all the words. Send a search party!!!

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 02, 2015 01:12 PM (KnOIi)

11 We need to settle this once and for all. And not in a courtroom.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:12 PM (dquK7)

12

Oh, and I didn't like the movie either....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 02, 2015 01:13 PM (HSmrB)

13 Its so... gray

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:13 PM (39g3+)

14 Is this the grey matter I've heard so much about?

Posted by: The LIVs at April 02, 2015 01:13 PM (0FSuD)

15
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck....

Nice to see it without the red line that fcuk always displays.

Nice post Ace. Took the time to read this one.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 01:13 PM (NaV4z)

16 Pity. I used to like Bill Quick's blog (although I haven't been back there much since the Bush II years). Maybe he's having an off day.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 02, 2015 01:13 PM (Hxk0g)

17 If you are not free to be an ass, you are not free.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (rKjTm)

18 I am color blind. DON'T tell me this shit around us is Pink.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (0FSuD)

19 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (kff5f)

20 50 shades of ace...

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (w2MRj)

21 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (kff5f)

22 it's gone!

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (w2MRj)

23 This.

All of this.

But with more profanity.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (mf5HN)

24 Apparently cabs are out anyway.I found that out yesterday. No doubt, the last person to find out theres an app for cabs.

Posted by: People Corp at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (TzeLs)

25 Ow.

Posted by: Strawman at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (MMC8r)

26 "We need to settle this once and for all. And not in a courtroom."

It is metastasizing quickly, so.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (LA7Cm)

27 That's a lot of words to say "You have no right to what someone else must provide or produce."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (kff5f)

28 Ace, this may be your best column ever. Bravo!

Posted by: Weirddave at April 02, 2015 01:15 PM (WvS3w)

29 Bill Quick and Tom Swift.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 02, 2015 01:15 PM (W5DcG)

30 Nice.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 01:15 PM (/kI1Q)

31 Do I have to wear pants now? Or, can I keep on keepin on?

Where's my weed? Or scotch, I could just start drinking.

Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at April 02, 2015 01:15 PM (LISuA)

32 Aren't threats of arson a crime?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:15 PM (n9kSQ)

33 I've noticed that Quick can be really pissy (I've seen him on Instapundit comment strings) if everybody doesn't stand up and salute his deep thoughts.

So, go Ace!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at April 02, 2015 01:15 PM (DLu2s)

34 Probably could have condensed this column to:

"Here's my answer to that: Go fuck yourself."

Posted by: Diatribean at April 02, 2015 01:15 PM (Z7PN+)

35 I don't see why a store run by a pious conservative Muslim can't demand that women be covered, if that's his bag

ISWYDT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:16 PM (kff5f)

36 Food for thought: This country is increasingly paranoid about people who don't bow to the accepted Order of Things.
...How do we know they'll make the right decisions? How do we force them to make the right decisions?

--

Exactly. This isn't about homosexuals or pizza - it is about thoughtcrime.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:16 PM (dquK7)

37 It's a lot of slow and simple words because Bill Quick, apparently, is a slow learner.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 02, 2015 01:16 PM (Hxk0g)

38 The problem with the left is that they're so cowardly and infantalized that they fear liberty. Its hard, scary, and unpredictable. It requires personal integrity, courage, and a struggle. Freedom is often ugly and hard, and sometimes things go wrong. They want a world where they're swaddled in bubble wrap and everything turns out wonderfully every time. They think they can make that happen.

And the only way their plans can be implemented is to utterly destroy liberty and have a total iron fist of tyranny with them in charge. Its all based on fear: fear of looking like a bad person, fear of things going wrong, fear of having a hard time, fear of not being liked, fear of getting sick or old or hurt. Fear, fear, fear.

There's a quote I like a lot I saw recently:

"Much of what we take for human culture is an elaborate defense mechanism allowing us to avoid facing the reality of our existence"

This is the left, but a thousandfold. They cannot tolerate reality, so they want to enforce a mythical fake world in their minds so none of the bad stuff happens and all the bad people just go away.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:16 PM (39g3+)

39 I see that my first Bill Quick column very ably shows why I've never heard of Bill Quick.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 01:16 PM (MMC8r)

40 27 That's a lot of words to say "You have no right to what someone else must provide or produce."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:14 PM (kff5f)

Don't we have a constitutional amendment around here somewhere that addresses that? Could have sworn we did...

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2015 01:16 PM (2Ojst)

41 that I could use a cellphone app to summon only cabs that would take me

Oh, and this exists, except in cities and states where it's been outlawed to protect those cab drivers who like to discriminate against blind people with seeing-eye dogs.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 01:17 PM (/kI1Q)

42 Do we still have those high end restaurants where you have to wear a coat and tie to get in? Or have they give up their dress code?

Can you still post "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or has that too be outlawed?

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at April 02, 2015 01:17 PM (XXnNu)

43 I think threatening people who disagree with you is intolerant.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:17 PM (n9kSQ)

44 Exactly. This isn't about homosexuals or pizza - it is about thoughtcrime.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:16 PM (dquK7)

Slavery, ultimately.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2015 01:17 PM (2Ojst)

45 The answer of course is for people to stop caving. Stop giving in, stop submitting, stop reversing course. You don't like what I say or do? Good for you, we feel the same way about each other. You refuse to change? Me too. Have a nice day.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:17 PM (39g3+)

46 I completely agree with you that most Americans are stupid.
- Ace

That's the root cause of most of this country's problems.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:17 PM (0LHZx)

47 Minneapolis cabdrivers be aware: if you pick me up drunk in a cold rain, late at night, and then refuse to transport me because drunk infidel, I will not react well. I may fart even.

Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at April 02, 2015 01:18 PM (LISuA)

48 Ironically, it's some of the biggest proponents of gay marriage that would say that you're damn right we need to accommodate the Muslim bookstore owner, because all cultures are valid and blah blah blah white privilege.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 01:18 PM (MMC8r)

49 I have a stunningly original idea:

LET THE MARKET DECIDE.

I know, crazy talk.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 02, 2015 01:18 PM (659DL)

50 I already assume there already are Islamic bookstops which will demand that women leave unless properly veiled"

Yep. Try to walk into the local Halal shop (over on James Stewart Circle, for NoVaMos) with an "uncovered" female companion.

You'll discover the meaning of the term "uncomfortable".

And I'm still wondering why it's OK for the taxi supervisor to set me aside when I return to Dulles with either my dog or something else that Islam deems "unclean"...

(ok, I'm actually grateful for that last one, but hey)

Oh, and Hell of a Movie Review there, Ace. Two Thumbs waaaay up.

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:18 PM (KnbYp)

51 Bravo!!!

Posted by: Nick in South Bend at April 02, 2015 01:18 PM (TlMTA)

52 Especially the ones who do piece work.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:18 PM (n9kSQ)

53 I love the new hostile Ace. It is comforting to see him pissed.

Posted by: Lance at April 02, 2015 01:18 PM (m/v6U)

54 The purpose of all this was not to help the .1% of the 3% of the population. Its to crush enemies of the leftist elite. Its to control the bulk of the population, to punish and silence dissent and disagreement.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:19 PM (39g3+)

55 They want a world where they're swaddled in bubble wrap and everything turns out wonderfully every time. They think they can make that happen.

Utopianism. And when it doesn't arrive, it's time to break out the axes and kill people who don't play along.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 01:19 PM (MMC8r)

56
When leftists say these things, they should be ignored. They are hypocrites.They pretend to stand on neutral ethical principles to dupe conservatives into ceding power to them. And then they hypocritically deny them the same consideration that they were whining for.

Making concessions for them won't cause lefties to treat people more fairly. It will merely hasten our slide into dhimmitude, and consolidate their power more quickly.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 02, 2015 01:19 PM (xkSSa)

57 Terrific, Ace!

Posted by: LadyS at April 02, 2015 01:19 PM (xYNhJ)

58 Businesses -- Corporations -- do not want the full flower of your individual expression. They don't want you dressing flamboyantly, they don't want you talking about deviant sex or, actually, non-deviant sex either, they don't want you proselytizing....

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Not the case anymore. I worked at AAA--they WANTED people's freak flags flying. They actively recruit based on "diversity." No good at your job, but you're a transvestite? No problem! They're fine with proselytizing, so long as it's not for Christianity.

I work at a public library, currently. It's much the same.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (VAsIq)

59 Is this book available on Kindle?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (n9kSQ)

60 That must have been one hell of a movie.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (eytER)

61 I love the new hostile Ace. It is comforting to see him pissed.

And not at us.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (/kI1Q)

62 The movie being reviewed is "Brazil".

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (Hxk0g)

63 So ace hates gays?

#PostTooLong

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (i55o+)

64 "They want a world where they're swaddled in bubble wrap and everything turns out wonderfully every time. They think they can make that happen.

Utopianism. And when it doesn't arrive, it's time to break out the axes and kill people who don't play along"

Truth.

Also known as "Bad Luck"

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (KnbYp)

65
It's like that Dune saying posted the other day:

"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles."

-- Muad'Dib

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (xkSSa)

66 Help! I'm lost in all the words. Send a search party!!!

Send up a flare!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (JCa6T)

67 Ace ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS Bill Quick.

You know, as they say.

Posted by: Tommy V at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (VYppf)

68 Glad you loved the movie, Ace. My worry is not about the muzzie cab driver not wanting to drive a dog owner, I'm worried about a law requiring the owner the the cab company to allow the driver to make that decision when he'd rather have the business. The driver should quit and work for a different company or start his own.

Posted by: pashmr at April 02, 2015 01:21 PM (3aNC4)

69 I think threatening people who disagree with you is intolerant.

Posted by: Boss Moss

----

BIGOT!

Posted by: SJW at April 02, 2015 01:21 PM (VAsIq)

70 65 - Short version: "It's who I am," said the scorpion.

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:21 PM (KnbYp)

71 As the children say, Bill Quick was BTFO.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2015 01:21 PM (dhHd4)

72
Someone who insists on festooning themselves with all their cultural/sexual/religious/political signage at work gravely mistakes how interested anyone at work is in learning about them as a person.

--

36 pieces of flair isn't a minimum, more of a guideline

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:21 PM (dquK7)

73 Utopianism. And when it doesn't arrive, it's time to break out the axes and kill people ~~who don'tplay along~~.

Fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (JCa6T)

74 Do NOT piss off The Ewok - The movie review length reply will Put You In Some F'n Knowlege, and Slice Like A F'n Hammer. Aces high!

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (ucB75)

75 @61
Ace just needs a good fight once and a while. The champ came out swinging today for a first round K.O.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker - Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (k8xvx)

76 Bravo. Tolerance means adjusting to and putting up with differences; not forced conformity.

Posted by: duke at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (ChY2Q)

77 Who the F is Bill Quick

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (fWAjv)

78 Sweet jesus I'm glad I read the whole thing...

Like a fucking hammer.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (fwARV)

79 YES YES YES

That's the rant I knew was coming.

Thanks Ace old bean!

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (TPjwz)

80 "Now Billy, show me on the corporate drone doll where the angry Ace touched you.."

Posted by: Tex the lesser at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (eOpVe)

81 Welcome back, Ace. We missed you.

Posted by: F-Bombs-R-Us at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (cL79m)

82 I have no idea who Bill Quick is but me sure doesn't appear to be very bright so I will just make a fart noise in his direction and move on.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (g1DWB)

83 Rage Ace is the best Ace. Hulk smash...

(But double check that blood pressure! Too much ragey not good either. As they say in Princess Bride, if you haven't got your health you haven't got anything...)

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (yRwC8)

84 I've noticed that Quick can be really pissy (I've seen him on Instapundit comment strings) if everybody doesn't stand up and salute his deep thoughts. So, go Ace!

This. Bill Quick is a worthless old fool.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (YQ4mh)

85 What DID I tell you about punching down???

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Someguy Max at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (DLu2s)

86 This Quick argument, if you can call it an argument, is at total cross-purposes with the events.

The left is advocating thought-crime high tech lynchings (paraphrasing the brilliant accusation first made against the left by Justice Thomas), and Quick superficially assumes the issue is somehow about commercial discrimination.

Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (LISuA)

87 Damn, I was going to say first...to have read the whole thing.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (JtwS4)

88 In case it needs to be said: I am no relation to Bill Quick.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (g9neE)

89 The thing is, what's cool to me is that this whole thing was a demonstration of federalism in action and the concerns of the founding fathers. They were worried that states would engage in inter-state economic warfare (if not real warfare with militias). They saw the states so distinct and independent that they could conceivably battle each other over trade policy and laws.

And that's what was shaping up: states were beginning to struggle against each other over an economic policy. Their reasons were retarded and often completely hypocritical, but it was a textbook demonstration of federalism in action.

And boycotts, Yelp spamming by trolls, responded to by crowdfunding? Free market in action. Two forces pushing for what they want, without government interference.

What broke this is the government caving instead of letting things play out.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (39g3+)

90 Bil Quick is another one of those selective libertarians.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (MMC8r)

91 And indeed, the Black Flag has been raised.

HOIST THE COLORS!

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (KnbYp)

92 Wow! What a read. Awesome.

Posted by: Matt in ID at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (cTQC8)

93 Sounds like Bill Quick is a little slow.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (eenKj)

94 How can we endure knowing that some people are out there Making Up Their Own Rules???!!!!

heh. about that: I've made 0$ under the table ducking the IRS with no income.

Trade and profit? never heard of it.

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (rgYlb)

95 Does Bill Quick own a pizzeria?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (n9kSQ)

96 Dayum! Which I could fit all that on a bumper sticker.

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (v0/PR)

97 And it was only yesterday that Ace wrote "I don't know what to write anymore"

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (TPjwz)

98 **bumps fist**

You are en fuego, Ace. If I ever meet you, the drinks are on me.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (zF6Iw)

99 See, this is why I come here. I can just print out the rant and carry it around and hand it to people who ask why I look so angry.

Bravo, Ace.

Posted by: LawLurker at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (4kN7k)

100 Great post, Ace. Thank you.

Posted by: Chupacabras at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (kZVsz)

101 I only know of Bill Quick as a commenter on Insty, didn't know he had a blog. Damn, they will let anyone blog these days.

Posted by: Penfold at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (Fbt5B)

102 One point I would expand on.

In the case of the government forcing a baker or florist to serve a gay wedding the Left is ultimately saying not only is is "wrong" for the business owner to refuse this service, it is so wrong that we are willing to send armed men to your house and force you to comply by any means necessary - including imprisoning you or ultimately killing you for resisting arrest.

This is, frankly, absurd.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (78TbK)

103 Worked-up Ace is always the best Ace.

Posted by: joncelli at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (RD7QR)

104 Sadly, you are wasting your time. All the blogging in the world won't change this situation. We have indoctrinated generations of people through media and education systems that Leftism is the only way to think without being a racist sexist homophone nativist etc. Add in radical open borders and new socialist voters, and BOOM that's it! The culture of America has changed and there is nothing we can do about it.

Posted by: Dan at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (COpZ4)

105 Dayum! Which I could fit all that on a bumper sticker.
Posted by: Tami

You're going to need a bigger car.

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (KnbYp)

106 'This is what the bigots really want, and it's a hell of a lot more than some dust-ups about wedding cakes. They want to be able to keep on refusing to hire gays, to rent or sell to them, or to serve them in public businesses. In other words, they want gay Jim Crow.'

Guy is a dumbass

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (fWAjv)

107 I some times listen to Bill Quick over at Insty. Sounds like an arrogant prick.

What's his claim to fame that makes him so condensing?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:25 PM (0FSuD)

108 Yes.

By the way, I could end the post here

Dang, I thought Ace might append a few words to flesh out the post -- so I kept reading...

...and reading...

---and reading...

...and then I scrolled down to get a peek at the future and realized, by god, that this was soon to rival the Epic of Gilgamesh in length and significance.

Too Long To Read -- and Too Important To Not Read.

Dilemma!

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 01:25 PM (K4YiS)

109 In case it needs to be said: I am no relation to Bill Quick.

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Word.

Posted by: Nestle Quick at April 02, 2015 01:25 PM (NaV4z)

110 It's amazing that the left now wants us to completely unmake America over the potential - THE POTENTIAL that 0.04% might be inconvenienced.

Incredible but there it is.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 02, 2015 01:25 PM (vDp2x)

111 In case it needs to be said: I am no relation to Bill Quick.
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick

Nor us.
--Nestle Quick

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:25 PM (JCa6T)

112 Righteous rant, Ace!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 01:25 PM (cXQJ2)

113 Who the F is Bill Quick
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:22 PM (fWAjv)

Don't you know? He's the guy who coined the blogosphere! (It says so on his website)

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (YQ4mh)

114 I'm with you guys on Bill Quick too, the name is vaguely familiar, and that's about it. Some of these guys, I don't know why people even respond or notice them. Who cares what Johnny Half-a-tard said on MSNBC? The only people watching are family members and right wing pundits.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (39g3+)

115
**fist bumps rickb223

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (NaV4z)

116 That was epic, Ace.
Well done.

Posted by: Filly at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (RT/p8)

117 And indeed, the Black Flag has been raised.

HOIST THE COLORS!

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:23 PM (KnbYp)

all well and good but engaging with nitwittery costs time.

And, welp, being a physicist, I'll tell you time is something we don't have.

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (rgYlb)

118 I read the whole thing... in fact, as soon as you posted Ace... click comments.... and we're already at 90+. Heh. I read slow I guess. Good rant Ace.

Posted by: Yip at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (84SRe)

119 $172K, 6,000 donors Back to about one every second

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (0FSuD)

120 If I ever meet you, the drinks are on me."

*visualizes MP4 drenched in Veuve Clicquot*

er, what were you saying again?

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (KnbYp)

121 Dayum! Which I could fit all that on a bumper sticker.
Posted by: Tami

You're going to need a bigger car.
Posted by: anon a mouse

Bus wrap.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (JCa6T)

122 Hey, he's not with us, either!

Posted by: Quicken at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (DLu2s)

123 It's nice to get a mention from mr Bill, but he can go pound sand. he has no intention of taking me on and changing my ways. he will of course, attack Christians and pretend that he's being even handed.

Kinda like assholes prattling on about 'fair share' and equality, when they already have an exemption for themselves.

Posted by: Nation of Islam restaurants at April 02, 2015 01:26 PM (Spluw)

124 I am no relation to Bill Quick, either

Posted by: Nestle Quick at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (dquK7)

125 The plain, boring, homogenous culture you describe brings to mind that time Squidward moved to the suburbs. He moved back pretty quickly.

Posted by: Gingy at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (WvS3w)

126 what should I care what the dress code is here

I am glad to see the no pants option is still standard here.

As for Bill Quick, I want to know who he discriminates against. He would probably say "no one", but I guarantee he and his fascist elite friends discriminate against Christians. Which is fine if he wants, but I bet he lies about it.

BTW, being discriminating used to be a virtue. For good reason.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (ODxAs)

127 * goes to the liquor cabinet *

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (F2IAQ)

128 Well,I just wrapped up an expletive filled rant at Pence and Hutchinson and Republicans in general.Blood Pressure

eaked.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (KETbL)

129 I wonder what the leading cause of revolutions might be.

Posted by: OCBill at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (F7PsT)

130 Perfect post Ace. THANK YOU.

Posted by: Sweet Justice at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (FZgSi)

131 **fist bumps rickb223
Posted by: fixerupper

Damn your flying fingers!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (JCa6T)

132 Nice work, Ace. You're on fire like a Buddhist monk.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (8ZskC)

133 Well so fucking what, Bill Quick? The Corporate Handbook of Proper Employee Conduct may apply when I am working in an office with 100 strangers, but it does not apply when I own my own fucking business and my own fucking property.

On that ground, I can design any rules I wish. And if this makes your gray, corporate brain go all a-flutter at the potential disorderliness!!!, well, go fuck yourself, buddy. I do not exist to appease your OCD need for Hierarchy, Structure, Order, Regularity, and Standard Procedures in all facets of life.

^^^^^^^

Standing Ovation.

And look, much as the lefties like to pretend they're all about individuality no embracing the freak flags, they're not. They buy into corporate conformity....just so long as it's *their* brand of corporate conformity.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (KkVB6)

134 "I can design any rules I wish. And if this makes your gray, corporate brain go all a-flutter at the potential disorderliness!!!, well, go fuck yourself, buddy. I do not exist to appease your OCD need for Hierarchy, Structure, Order, Regularity, and Standard Procedures in all facets of life."

Can I get a witness?

Hallelujah!

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (K4YiS)

135 *rattles quills and puts on eyepatch*

*Raises the Jolly Roger*

*Starts playing piratical music, perhaps the soundtrack from the "Treasure Island" film starring Charleton Heston*

*dances a four-footed hornpipe*

Posted by: lurkingestlurker - Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (k8xvx)

136 Religious freedom is not the real question, the question is freedom of speech.

Can the state compel anyone to express a belief, or participate in an event that is contrary to their belief, just because that person is making a buck or two?

There is s difference between discriminating based on some characteristic, and refusal to express an opinion.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (0Ew3K)

137 First.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (n9kSQ)

138 You know my PLRs?

Yeah, I aspire one day to be as good as Ace.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (kff5f)

139 I don't think Bill Quick is a leftest. He describes himself as a libertarian and has a bugaboo about religion similar to Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins.

Posted by: boxty at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (LYvWK)

140 In case it needs to be said: I am no relation to Bill Quick.
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick

Nor us.
--Nestle Quick

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He's my cousin.

Posted by: Dick Quick at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (VAsIq)

141 Kinda like assholes prattling on about 'fair share' and equality, when they already have an exemption for themselves.

Or a trust fund.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (JCa6T)

142 One additional facet of the cab "issue" is that cab licenses ("medallions") are often highly restricted in number, supposedly for the "public good" (though in reality, as protectionism for the medallion owners).

If there are any cab drivers who refuse to pick up certain classes of passengers, that could be a serious problem for them. . ..there literally may not be any alternative cabs at all. IE, the customer CANNOT take their business elsewhere.

So *JUST BECAUSE* the gov't artificially restricts the number of cab licenses, I don't think cab drivers should be able to discriminate this way.

Of course in reality, they not only do. . .but do all the time. . .

The solution here, isn't to force cab drivers not to discriminate. . .its to stop artificially limiting the number of cab drivers.

Posted by: looking closely at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (ji45d)

143 A big chunk of Republican voters liked the idea of a President Huckabee forcing the country to follow his morals.

And I was horrified.

But, not a single leftist has any problem forcing anyone else to follow their morals.

I remember the bumper stickers that said, "Hate is not a family value." But it sure as fuck is a value the left cherishes above all others.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (ZvKdv)

144 "I don't see why a store run by a pious conservative Muslim can't demand that women be covered, if that's his bag, nor why a store run by a pious conservative Catholic can't also insist that women cover their shoulders, if that's his sense of what his business should be, of what should happen on property he owns."

-----------------

Yes. And if said owners are also willing to accept that their business would suffer -- which it would, of course -- as the majority of people would be turned off by the restrictions and just take their business elsewhere. That's a reality baked into a truly free society.

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (vd4oB)

145
Jim Crow is exactly what the left wants, for anyone who does not conform.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (dquK7)

146 Is anal sex a virtue now?

Posted by: pam at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (cgrL5)

147 Fuck that guy.

Posted by: Quick Sand at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (Spluw)

148 Standing Ovation.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM

Can I get a witness?

Hallelujah!

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (K4YiS)

!!! Cosmic coincidence -- we praised the same sentence at the same moment.

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (K4YiS)

149 Bill is the kind of pedestrian I really admire.

Posted by: The Dead at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (8ZskC)

150 Nice work, Ace. You're on fire like a Buddhist monk.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (8ZskC)

You're terrible! But so am I cause I laughed.

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (yRwC8)

151 Dayum! Which I could fit all that on a bumper sticker.
Posted by: Tami

You're going to need a bigger car.

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:24 PM (KnbYp)

I've finally got a supertanker, and now I'm going to need a bigger boat.

Posted by: Chief Brody at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (cL79m)

152 Is anal sex a virtue now?"

It's assumed...

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (KnbYp)

153 Some of these guys, I don't know why people even respond or notice them.

It's Ace's Maguffin.

Bill Quick may not be influential, but he attacked Ace directly giving the Ewok a target at which to return fire.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (JtwS4)

154 Basic premise of buttholes like Timmy Cook from Apple: My different is GREAT, your different SUX!

Any time any of the ego maniacal prix gets deflated a bit, I'm cheering it on.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (DLu2s)

155 We've replaced Ace's coffee with crystal meth. Let's see if he notices.

Posted by: Folgers Crystal Meth at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (KnOIi)

156 I generally like Bill Quick. However, he's all wet and Ace is dead on here.

Posted by: irright at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (pMGkg)

157 Can the state compel anyone to express a belief, or participate in an event that is contrary to their belief, just because that person is making a buck or two?

I'd say Freedom of Association more than Freedom of Speech, but all 3 are First Amendment issues- Natural Rights which are supposed to be protected.

And, yes, Religion is only the current vector; the current excuse. They won't stop at Christians.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (kff5f)

158 >>> *Starts playing piratical music, perhaps the soundtrack from the "Treasure Island" film starring Charleton Heston*

I get no love, sigh...

Posted by: Cutthroat Island at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (yRwC8)

159
Who the F is Bill Quick
Posted by: RWC

Author. Writes books about cave-women and mammoths under a pseu, and ghostwrites novels for celebs.

One of those libertarians, and apparently did a cri about awful so-cons and the gays back in 2013, that I can't find a direct link to. Next best:

thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2013/03/31/bill-quicks-announcement

Also moved from Indiana to San Francisco. *ping*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (kdS6q)

160 Great post, Ace.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (zoehZ)

161 How much of that donated money for the pizza shop will our corrupt IRS take from them? I hope they find an attorney and set up some way to minimize they're exposure.... should take care of them for several years. I hope it doesn't ruin the family like lotto wins often do.

Posted by: Yip at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (84SRe)

162 Bill Quick is a published author.

Who isn't these days?

Posted by: Nestlie Quick at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (XXnNu)

163 Kinda like assholes prattling on about 'fair share' and equality, when they already have an exemption for themselves.

Or a trust fund.
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+1000 that. Neither party has much love for the middle class except to break us.

Posted by: Penfold at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (Fbt5B)

164 O/T

Maundy Thursday today. Jesus has last supper tonight. Passover meal.

http://tinyurl.com/m2fjdxf

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (0FSuD)

165 Ace pounded him like a narc at a biker rally.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (7ObY1)

166 I just want to know if the movie was any good.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (zRby/)

167 I wonder what the leading cause of revolutions might be.

Posted by: OCBill at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (F7PsT)

boobs.

or bacon.

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (rgYlb)

168
In before the Ewok Movie Review jokes!
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Ah, shit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (SpnVI)

169 @136

Well according to the SCOTUS the government can compel you to buy things so it's not much of stretch to imagine they can compel you to sell things as long as they call it a tax.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (vDp2x)

170 Nice work, Ace. You're on fire like a Buddhist monk. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (8ZskC)

Is there a Buddhist Hell? Cause, if so, we're all a goin' there.

Posted by: Quick Sand at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (Spluw)

171 I would never eat at Bill Quick's pizzeria.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (n9kSQ)

172 $175K and still going strong

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (0FSuD)

173 Sh** just got real! Christians are back in crypts and will be feed to the Lions again.

Posted by: dnice at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (n3Cht)

174 Stay shameless, Ace - unearned guilt is what hucksters like Quick and the Left-Reverends Jesse and Al rely on.

I'd love to have just one state to put freedom of disassociation into practice and demonstrate how real cultural differentiation and voluntary social separation could work without ending in pitchforks and pogroms. My prediction - better cohesion on genuinely common issues, less crime, less "outrage."

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (QKIQb)

175 A fine movie review, Ace. I wish it was longer I was having so much fun.

I just wish there was a part where you threw Bill Quick into the volcano.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (1CroS)

176 146:
Is anal sex a virtue now?
==

In dead seriousness, some people think so.

Posted by: looking closely at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (ji45d)

177 What you described in this post, Ace, is the America I grew up in. Until the late 60's. And then it started changing. I first experienced this onslaught of the left by being accused of being racist because I came from a small OK town that had no blacks living there.And then I really experienced this leftist tactic when I returned from Vietnam.

This isn't new, as I'm sure you know. But the list of grievence groups is huge now. Can't walk out of my house without offending on of them.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (/HX7u)

178 In Brattleboro we listen to Limbaugh/hateful right wing radio and also read the Bible on a daily basis. That way we know what both sides are up to on a daily basis.....

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (Sd++4)

179 In case it needs to be said: I am no relation to Bill Quick.
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick

I'm his Father

Posted by: Premature Ejaculation at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (eOpVe)

180
I don't see why a store run by a pious conservative Muslim can't demand that women be covered, if that's his bag

*snort*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (SpnVI)

181 Ace pounded him like a narc at a biker rally.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (7ObY1)

I was gonna say like a biker at a narc rally, but..... yeah.

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:32 PM (rgYlb)

182 @167

I'll take boobs for $1,000, Alex

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:32 PM (0FSuD)

183 I would never eat at Bill Quick's pizzeria.

Posted by: Boss Moss
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The white sauce is not what you think it is. But he had a fun time making it.

Posted by: Penfold at April 02, 2015 01:32 PM (Fbt5B)

184 Is anal sex a virtue now?

Always has been, Pammy, always will be.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 02, 2015 01:32 PM (JtwS4)

185 I can't remember who it was but a couple days ago someone pointed out something very wise and important:

The civil rights struggles against Jim Crow and racism in the 50s and 60s were in essence a fight to end any government-endorsed protected classes. The white people in certain areas were being given superior protections under law. This was ended with the intention of evening the playing field.

And now the same movement, even some of the same people, are fighting every day to create new classes of specially protected groups with special laws that favor them and punish others.

Its 1984 people. The pigs look really human at the table.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:32 PM (39g3+)

186 More than $175,000 on the GoFundMe

Posted by: lurkingestlurker - Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 01:32 PM (k8xvx)

187 I just want to know if the movie was any good"

Especially the volcano scene.

Written by Goldberg, I think.

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 02, 2015 01:32 PM (KnbYp)

188 In case it needs to be said: I am no relation to Bill Quick.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick

Nor us.

--Nestle Quick

---

He's my cousin.

Posted by: Dick Quick at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (VAsIq)
Imma shoot him in his pinky toe!

Posted by: Vernest "Quick" Brown at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (8hctH)

189
It's amazing that the left now wants us to completely unmake America
over the potential - THE POTENTIAL that 0.04% might be inconvenienced.

Nah, that's not the reason, that's the excuse. The reason is they are Leftists and want total control.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (ODxAs)

190 And, yes, Religion is only the current vector; the current excuse. They won't stop at Christians.

But they will be stopped by muslims.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (JCa6T)

191 Great job Ace...Ol` Bill just took a real asswhuppin. But of course his dumbass is too ignorant to get it, much less admit it!

Posted by: tbd at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (KVjPb)

192 6,200 donors, $176K Move that damn goal to $250K

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (0FSuD)

193 Can the state compel anyone to express a belief, or participate in an event that is contrary to their belief, just because that person is making a buck or two?

I'd say Freedom of Association more than Freedom of Speech, but all 3 are First Amendment issues- Natural Rights which are supposed to be protected.

And, yes, Religion is only the current vector; the current excuse. They won't stop at Christians.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (kff5f)

The problem is that that ship sailed 50 years ago. If you offer a service publicly, than you have to sell to whoever-may-come.

The free speech defense may still be plausible. Maybe...

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (0Ew3K)

194
I don't think Bill Quick is a leftest. He describes himself as a libertarian
Posted by: boxty

Libertarian is a subset of Liberal.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (kdS6q)

195 Listen guys, I'm all in on giving him the treatment, but I had nothing to do with what that moron said!

Posted by: The horse he rode on at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (pS7Ne)

196 Posted by: dnice at April 02, 2015 01:31 PM (n3Cht)

Where's A-A Ron and Buh Lah K?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (fWAjv)

197 And, yes, Religion is only the current vector; the current excuse. They won't stop at Christians. But they will be stopped by muslims.
Posted by: rickb223

Ding ding.

Posted by: Nation of Islam restaurants at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (Spluw)

198
Bill Quick is slow in the head.

Posted by: Quick Draw McGraw at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (ODxAs)

199 And look, much as the lefties like to pretend they're all about individuality no embracing the freak flags, they're not. They buy into corporate conformity....just so long as it's *their* brand of corporate conformity.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (KkVB6)

Oh, ...you noticed that...

Posted by: Tim Cook, FAG at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (8NTh+)

200 Ace, I give this one a solid +10.

And Bill Quick REALLY should know better than this.

Posted by: EndOfPatience at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (dN3Mf)

201 Posted by: Cutthroat Island at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (yRwC

If I can ever master Pixy's fuckups, I could write a post about that dog of a movie.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (zF6Iw)

202 Ace is the new Emmanuel Goldstein. Now let's vet it on with our two minutes of hate.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (sF6gZ)

203 No he's not a relative.

Posted by: Quicken Loans at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (0FSuD)

204 ...oh my.

Posted by: dogfish at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (1vYi0)

205 I completely agree with you that most Americans are stupid.
____________________

After the election and re-election of Barack Obama, that sad fact is pretty undeniable.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 02, 2015 01:35 PM (lmdHn)

206 @195
You think that will save you?

Posted by: The Chicken at April 02, 2015 01:35 PM (k8xvx)

207 And, perhaps tangentially related to Ace's point about enforcing corporate-type conformity on society at large; exactly where do you think all these 'gender studies' majors finally find a job? The human resources department at your friendly local large corporation. Where they fit right in with others. And puke up rules for everybody else to follow.

And I doubt that too many of them are libertarians. So we get a lot of rules that basically say, 'I'm AWESOME! You shut up!"

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at April 02, 2015 01:35 PM (DLu2s)

208 Bill Quick is a published author.

**snorts**So am I.

ANY asshole can be a "published author" today.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2015 01:35 PM (zF6Iw)

209 Wow, Just went up $3K in a minute. $178K

Posted by: Quicken Loans at April 02, 2015 01:35 PM (0FSuD)

210 You are only allowed to say "Fuck" so many times in a blog.....and Ace used them all up.

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (uJK1E)

211 Libertarian is a subset of Liberal.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2015 01:34 PM (kdS6q)

To a point.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (8NTh+)

212 @199
Hard not to.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker - Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (k8xvx)

213 O what a tangled web we weave
When first we legislate to be free.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (sF6gZ)

214 And, yes, Religion is only the current vector; the current excuse. They won't stop at Christians.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (kff5f)

But they will be stopped by muslims.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (JCa6T)

Depends on whether Soviet Russia becomes Islamokazi Russia before it gets boiled down to Communists versus Islamokazis.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (cL79m)

215 Review the actions and words of our "leaders" in the media, politics, and business this week and continue trying to convince me that America is still super special and we'll never fall.

The people who once held up America and got up when knocked down are now considered enemy aliens by the above institutions and must be subdued if not totally destroyed.

I read that the Ukraine must be allowed to join the "free and open EU and protected from the dictatorial Russia". Meantime, Bridget Bardot and others are prosecuted by the state for speaking their minds in a way that is not proper regarding Muslisms. Anything less than joyous celebration of teh gheys will also land you in the docket.

Strange thing though, neither of those things will have Putin's goons throwing you in jail.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (GrXXa)

216 Off dirty loan sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (0FSuD)

217 What a post! It's like watching Macho Man Randy Savage beat Harry Reid to a bloody pulp with the corner stool!

Posted by: kathysaysso at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (fMQoG)

218 $178K+

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (F2IAQ)

219 Bill Quick is a published author

And I'm a famous musician!!

Posted by: Yoko Onotgain at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (Spluw)

220 You are only allowed to say "Fuck" so many times in a blog.....and Ace used them all up.

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at April 02, 2015 01:36 PM (uJK1E)

I fucking didn't know the limit was 30...whoops, 31...

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (cL79m)

221
Is anal sex a virtue now?

Posted by: pam at April 02, 2015 01:29 PM (cgrL5)

---------------------------------

How YOU doin?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (HSmrB)

222 The problem is that that ship sailed 50 years ago. If you offer a service publicly, than you have to sell to whoever-may-come.

Until the Burning Times, certainly.

Though I'll also point out- lots of "ship(s)" had "sailed" at one point, only to miraculously come back in sometime later.

So, if it's all the same to you, I'll keep beating this drum: You have no Right to what someone else must produce or provide.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (kff5f)

223 "Is there a Buddhist Hell? Cause, if so, we're all a goin' there."

It's called "Naraka." This will not be over quickly, and you will not enjoy it.

Buddhists seem to have an Augustinian flair for describing the torments of Naraka. For the more genuine claimant to the title of "Religion of Peace" it's kinda spooky what's rattling around in their anxiety closets.

Note to Muslims in Burma etc - it takes a lot to piss these dudes off, but once they say "it's go time" you may have a helluva time getting them to stop.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (QKIQb)

224 Anybody ask Quick when his bandages are coming off.

Even if he even hints otherwise, he just got his ass removed and fed to him in small, bloody, painful bites.

Awesome post, Ace.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (BZAd3)

225 Nothing like a pissed-off Ace post to brighten the day!

Posted by: Eisenhorn at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (KvKOu)

226 Alternate title and article summary:' Bill Quick, and fellow travelers, go fuck yourself!'.

True dat.

Posted by: the soul of brevity at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (7GI9v)

227 209 Wow, Just went up $3K in a minute. $178K

Posted by: Quicken Loans at April 02, 2015 01:35 PM (0FSuD)

I think the word has yet to be widely circulated.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (8NTh+)

228 And, yes, Religion is only the current vector; the current excuse. They won't stop at Christians.

That's not exactly true. They're opposed to Christianity because it was the dominant religion of America and still is very strong. The left has their religion which they wish to be dominant.

Like Highlander, there can only be one; its a struggle to wipe out competition and eliminate it from having any influence or power. But there will always be one dominant religious power in any civilization. Always, and only one.

When Christianity has been diminished to the point of being a tiny sect with no influence and no public presence, then they won't care about it any more.

I wrote about this a while back:

http://tinyurl.com/os44y3m

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (39g3+)

229 Epic.

Take THAT, Bill, and stuff it in your bird.

Posted by: Sponge at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (xttKs)

230 Bill Quick coined the term "blogosphere" either right before or right after 9/11. He's been kind of coasting on that accomplishment since.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (B/VB5)

231 And look, much as the lefties like to pretend they're all about individuality no embracing the freak flags, they're not. They buy into corporate conformity....just so long as it's *their* brand of corporate conformity.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 01:27 PM (KkVB6)

Who told?!

Posted by: Lefties at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (yRwC8)

232 Depends on whether Soviet Russia becomes Islamokazi Russia before it gets boiled down to Communists versus Islamokazis.

Red Square Strong!
#ShelterInPlace!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (JCa6T)

233 Note to "Quick", don't fcuk with an Ewok.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (0FSuD)

234 I want to be different from myself. That's my America.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (wAQA5)

235 I feel complete!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (SnyDa)

236 "No shoes, no shirt, no service".

Lots of businesses have dress codes.

Posted by: RonF at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (l8nW6)

237 @215
kbdabear, you may want to be careful what you say about Muslims in one of Putin's puppet states. Chechnya (for all the unpleasantness there in the past), is a Russian-controlled caliphate under Kadyrov. As long as Kadyrov doesn't anger Putin, he gets to be as Islamic as he likes.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker - Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (k8xvx)

238 Cool. You can print out fliers for the GoFundMe thing.

That should really piss some folks off..

yet would make my day much more enjoyable.

Funny that.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (fWAjv)

239 Rolling rolling, raw hide. $180K

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (0FSuD)

240 I think the word has yet to be widely circulated.

Rush Limbaugh was pimping it (and a very good Ann Coulter column about how everything out of the media is made up - I think Ace would violently agree).

Posted by: Ian S. at April 02, 2015 01:38 PM (B/VB5)

241 I said it earlier, but I'll say it again: Does it make sense to force people who, in shorthand, hate you to provide you your food?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (VAsIq)

242 > $180,000.

Suck it, progs.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (w2MRj)

243 ANY asshole can be a "published author" today.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2015 01:35 PM (zF6Iw)

Heh. Hell, if I can get published in a professional military journal... Let's just say the standard for being published isn't that high.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (8hctH)

244
Oh, and half of Bill Quick's twitter feed is desperate Amazon affiliate links to buy luggage sets, so that writing thing might not be working out all that well for him.

https://twitter.com/dailypundit

OG blogger panhandling.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (kdS6q)

245 OT: and jacking the thread.

Same LBE for 20 years. Light. Not to go kit on ya'll but I spend exactly 4 minutes in the team room on loadout: 4 mags +1, comms, 2 explodies, 2 knives, 2 watches (2 is 1, 1 is none).

All the cool kids look at me like I'm stupid.

Except the part that I'm alive.

And with that I'm gonna go watcha shitty dvd someone's mom sent. peace, fuckers

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (rgYlb)

246 *pictures AtC simpering in a corner in a pique of Profanity Envy*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (JtwS4)

247 Ow my vag!

Posted by: Bill Quick at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (VAsIq)

248 $180K+

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (F2IAQ)

249 Yay Ace !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (go6ud)

250 "You are only allowed to say "Fuck" so many times in a blog.....and Ace used them all up."

Fcuk.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2015 01:39 PM (LA7Cm)

251 What you described in this post, Ace, is the America I grew up in. Until the late 60's. And then it started changing.
________________________

You can thank (or damn) Ted Kennedy and his 1965 immigration law ("hey, I've got a great idea: lets invite into the U.S. millions more people from the countries of the world that hate us most, and whose citizens will be least able to adapt to the American culture!")

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (lmdHn)

252 The proper way to make the cabbie analogy is as follows:

Can the Muslim cabbie refuse to transport you and a case of communion wine on the way to, you know, communion.

The answer is "Yes, yes, he could."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (659DL)

253 Beautiful piece ace. I'm inspired.

Posted by: Draki at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (0eidE)

254
The Muslim case isn't even analogous. No one at the restaurant is refusing to serve homosexuals period. They are refusing to be coerced into participating in a ceremony that violates their conscience.

Very, very different.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (xkSSa)

255 "Some people still do not get this choice they are confronted
with. They continue to insist that it's still 1988 and that we can have
both, that we can have a regime in which a majority bullies an unpopular
minority and be free of such bullying."

Ever since we got destroyed in 06 and 08, I've been very distrustful of cheerleaders. Sleeping Conservative America doesn't elect Obama (twice as it turned out.)

It's funny that you've exposed Reason on twitter, Ace. I had always thought of libertarians as Lefties who weren't allowed to the Big Leftie Table. It wasn't until lately when I thought about how weak my religious beliefs must be if I have to force them through secular law, and I began to consider libertarian ideas. Of course, NOW that Reason should be pitching its heart to us, they seem to be at best shrugging and at worst blessing the attacks on pizza places.

Thanks, Reason. If I wanted a thumb jabbed in my eye, at least McCain was elected. No one elected you.

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (EQcfE)

256 @236

Liquor store in Georgetown SC not far from the hood.

Pants up or don't come in.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (0FSuD)

257 So now we all have to go to Quick's blog to see his reply?

Do we comment there too?
Is this a flame war?

Posted by: Amos Slowden at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (XXnNu)

258 If SoCons were smart, they'd partner with Muslims on this. It would neutralize the left in a second.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (0LHZx)

259 BTW, what the hell is the dress code here?

Posted by: Billy Q at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (c+vKr)

260 When Christianity has been diminished to the point of being a tiny sect with no influence and no public presence, then they won't care about it any more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (39g3+)

Which, of course, explains why they're still targeting the Jews for extinction.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (cL79m)

261 We don't want victory...we want VICTIMS!

Posted by: Gaystapo Inc. at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (7GI9v)

262 63 So ace hates gays?

#PostTooLong
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 02, 2015 01:20 PM (i55o+)

The sad thing is, yes Ace will now be characterized as a bigot who hates homosexuals because he doesn't side with hounding people who disagree with them out of existence.

I've lurked on this blog for damn near a decade and I have no illusions about the fact that Ace does not agree with me about homosexuality or same sex marriage (I'm a devout Catholic, so do the math there). And yet because he expresses the opinion that I should be allowed to opt out of participating in and should not be forced to labor at an event that is sacrilegious in my faith tradition he will now be classified as a hateful bigot on oar with the Nazis and the KKK that deserves be run out of society.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (KkVB6)

263 I FOUND A TRANSMISSION SHOP IN NAPPANEE IN THAT WON'T SERVICE MY TRANNY!!!!! LGBTY PROUD.... or whatever...

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (fLKzW)

264 The thing for me is that the various Public Accommodation legislations were always a bad unAmerican and unfree thing. They were just generally accepted as something we had to bear to address the manifest unfairness of the treatment Black Americans were getting. That was all. Not as some open-ended writ for all Americans of all camps. And certainly not a good that we wished to extend to all areas of life.

It's a bad thing we have to put up with for a while. That's all.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (rwI+c)

265 230 Bill Quick coined the term "blogosphere" either right before or right after 9/11. He's been kind of coasting on that accomplishment since.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (B/VB5)

Do you have a moment to talk about 'kerning.'

Posted by: Jharles Chonson at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (fWAjv)

266 "It is time to put away childish things. Either you support liberty and justice for all, or you support it for none."

Will this get entered into The List of Important Rants? Signs point to "Yes."

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (K4YiS)

267 Bill Quick should know to never pick a fight with a man who buys Valu-Rite by the barrel.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (w2MRj)

268 It is the one way street that I truly object to. A certain majority of the nation must bend over backwards to accommodate a very, very small percentage of the population. Now that very small percentage of the nation can tell the majority to go pound sand.

Christians go to 13 gay bakers to get cake with Christian theme and are refused.

I'm cool with that. I'm not cool with the Gaystapo demanding I do whatever they want.

Posted by: Jukin Former Republican at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (WGm5T)

269 A nice long post like this can stand on its own. No comment can embellish it further.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (l0lja)

270 145

Jim Crow is exactly what the left wants, for anyone who does not conform.
============
There is an informal Jim Crow already in place.

How many of us here would keep our jobs if it was known what we posted here?
How many of us could survive a SJW twitter mob?

Yet, not one leftists is in fear of their job for posting at Daily Kos.

They have, by control of the media and the entertainment, imposed upon us a status of second-class citizens: One rule for them, a different rule for us.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (ZvKdv)

271
Libertarian is a subset of Liberal.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

To a point.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC

Inclusively.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (kdS6q)

272 @228 DING DING DING
The left doesn't care about Islam, really. Muslim culture, at least right now, is not an especially strong force in the United States, certainly nothing like what Christianity and traditional Judaism are. Other religions out there are small in number in the states and don't make same demands with the same authority that the Big 3 Monotheistic religions do, and of the 3, it's Christianity that is the most prevalent. (though seeing how liberal Jews treat conservative, practicing Jews....that one will come alongside the stompening of the Christians)

Posted by: lurkingestlurker - Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (k8xvx)

273 That pizzeria doesn't cater weddings anyway.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (n9kSQ)

274 In case it needs to be said: I am no relation to Bill Quick. Posted by: Jeffrey Quick
Nor us. --Nestle Quick ---
He's my cousin. Posted by: Dick Quick at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (VAsIq)Imma shoot him in his pinky toe!
Posted by: Vernest "Quick" Brown at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (8hctH)

We'll sell him gasoline. But nothing else.

Posted by: Quick Trip Store at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (/HX7u)

275 When Christianity has been diminished to the point of being a tiny sect with no influence and no public presence, then they won't care about it any more.

And then a billion muslims with AK's and Semtex start givining them the stink eye.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (JCa6T)

276 The Muslim case isn't even analogous. No one at the restaurant is refusing to serve homosexuals period. They are refusing to be coerced into participating in a ceremony that violates their conscience.

Nobody wants to even hear that. Like poor Lauren yesterday trying to get people to see how many other ways that kind of law has protected people and being drowned out in cries of CAKE CAKE CAKE PIZZA CAKE CAKE

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (39g3+)

277
Nice work, Ace. You're on fire like a Buddhist monk.

That seemed a little... insensitive.

Yet I laughed.

What the hell is wrong with me???

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (TPjwz)

278 Now I'm hungry for cake and pizza.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (b7IT1)

279

Top Quality Ace!

*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*

Posted by: Running Hobo at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (l1oyw)

280 This Quick guy is very ignorant of Christian apologetics, but then again most bigots are ignorant of their victims.

Being forced to attend a specific event - a "gay marriage" - would be giving my assent to the redefinition of core reality (marriage) and in so doing, declaring (1) that my Savior Jesus lied when He defined Marriage (Matthew 19) and (2) that I therefore call His Death and Resurrection Lies, for #1 claims He was a liar and therefore sinful, thus not offering any redemption. IN effect, for many of us professing Christians, forcing us to attend a gay marriage is forcing us to deny our faith.

Most would rather die, and have throughout the centuries.

This is not something someone can argue against from outside the Faith. This is what it is. Call it "frogartup ceremony" and define it as a civil union? Fine. I'll be nice and give you study bible and some chocolate as a gift.
When it is labelled "marriage", you impinge on the sacred. It is as offensive and wrong as labelling a keg party as a "baptism".
Gay marriage has been designed to force martyrdom as the only real response - and they will inevitably call in the death squads. The Left always does.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (S8V5R)

281 @262. True enough. It is sad.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker - Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (k8xvx)

282 In case it needs to be said: I am no relation to Bill Quick. Posted by: Jeffrey Quick Nor us. --Nestle Quick --- He's my cousin. Posted by: Dick Quick at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (VAsIq)Imma shoot him in his pinky toe! Posted by: Vernest "Quick" Brown at April 02, 2015 01:33 PM (8hctH) We'll sell him gasoline. But nothing else.
Posted by: Quick Trip Store

You might, but i certainly won't.

Posted by: a quickie at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (Spluw)

283 Do we comment there too?
Is this a flame war?

Posted by: Amos Slowden at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (XXnNu)

Would be the only comment.

Posted by: Jharles Chonson at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (fWAjv)

284 As I understand it, we've got Big Brotha in the White House and we're persecuting a pizza parlour for thoughtcrimes, or, in Newspeak, for "fairness, diversity and inclusivity."

Blurb from Wiki about 1984:

Nineteen Eighty-Four, sometimes published as 1984, is a dystopian novel by English author George Orwell published in 1949.[1][2] The novel is set in Airstrip One (formerly known as Great Britain), a province of the superstate Oceania in a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance and public manipulation, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (or Ingsoc in the government's invented language, Newspeak) under the control of a privileged Inner Party elite, that persecutes individualism and independent thinking as "thoughtcrimes".

Sound familiar?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (dUqfn)

285 Can Bill, or anyone at all, identify a Muslim business that has been singled out by the left for harassment/boycotting/character assassination?

tap, tap, tap.....

For that matter any business or charity organization other than Christian ones?

tap, tap, tap.....

Posted by: West at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (1Rgee)

286 Can Bill, or anyone at all, identify a Muslim business that has been singled out by the left for harassment/boycotting/character assassination?

tap, tap, tap.....

For that matter any business or charity organization other than Christian ones?

tap, tap, tap.....

Posted by: West at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (1Rgee)

287 259
BTW, what the hell is the dress code here?

Posted by: Billy Q at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (c+vKr)

Calico

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:43 PM (0FSuD)

288 $182K+

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 02, 2015 01:43 PM (F2IAQ)

289 Bill Quick should know to never pick a fight with a man who buys Valu-Rite by the ~~barrel~~ tanker.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:41 PM (w2MRj)

ReWrite(TM) engaged for volume.

I'll leave it to you fellow Morons to decide whether it's a tanker with wheels or a wheelhouse.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 01:43 PM (cL79m)

290
Can you still post "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or has that too be outlawed?

Was driving down I-45 south of Dallas and stopped for gas. Sign on the door said:
No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service

And pull up your damn pants!

Posted by: not really delurking at April 02, 2015 01:43 PM (Z2OIC)

291 Burberry.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:43 PM (n9kSQ)

292 Yet I laughed. What the hell is wrong with me???
Posted by: JohnnyBoy

One of us....one of us

Posted by: Moron horde at April 02, 2015 01:43 PM (Spluw)

293
BTW, what the hell is the dress code here?
Posted by: Billy Q
............................
Commando under chaps and pink cowboy hats.

Posted by: Castro Street Bakery at April 02, 2015 01:44 PM (wAQA5)

294 sock off

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:44 PM (fWAjv)

295 quick thingy before I go watch "My Mom's a Martian!"

I'm *not* a scary trigger puller/ninja Navy SEAL/regiment/Door Kicker

I'm just an adviser. On techie nerdy stuff.

BUT: things get squirrelly sometimes so you gotta not be caught sleeping

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:44 PM (rgYlb)

296 Now I get it. Quick is just an old queen whose "conservative" beliefs only extend to the tip of his dick.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2015 01:44 PM (Kpl3J)

297 You can thank (or damn) Ted Kennedy and his 1965 immigration law ("hey, I've got a great idea: lets invite into the U.S. millions more people from the countries of the world that hate us most, and whose citizens will be least able to adapt to the American culture!")
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 02, 2015 01:40 PM (lmdHn)

Yes sir, and I pray that the absolute hottest part of hell, is occupied by that sleazy fuck.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 02, 2015 01:44 PM (8NTh+)

298 Can you still post "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or has that too be outlawed?

____________

That's not discriminating against a group of people is it? Now if it said White People: no shirt needed, Black People: shirt needed, it would be discrimination.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:44 PM (0LHZx)

299
BTW, what the hell is the dress code here?
Posted by: Billy Q

Calico
Posted by: Nip Sip

Sunbonnets.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (kdS6q)

300 Great rant!!

Posted by: Caliban at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (DrC22)

301 $181k+ for memories pizza now

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (1Twit)

302 Donations are running about $600 a minute. This is going to be big $183K

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (0FSuD)

303 How many of us here would keep our jobs if it was known what we posted here?

The management of the company I work for is very prog and proud. I try to keep my head down and my yap shut.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (w2MRj)

304 damn, don't hold back

good post

Posted by: brak at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (Tj+s6)

305 Damn, that was good. I want to stand on my computer desk and salute my monitor.

Posted by: VBJonny at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (oOsa/)

306 The one thing that lets you know that Bill Quick is a weakminded delicate little flower: Registration Required.

But he does understand blogging and he knows ace, because he decided he wanted some actual traffic.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (xSCb6)

307 BTW, what the hell is the dress code here?
Posted by: Billy Q

LOL!

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (rgYlb)

308 Zero comments and zero likes.

Quick's column is setting the blogosphere on FIRE, I tells ya.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (7ObY1)

309 Across the aisle from you on multiple issues, Ace, but you hit this one outta the park.

Hit the tip jar if you can, people, keep the Ewok in Val-U-Rite and Omaha Steaks, 'cause there are very few people even in conservative media saying these things that need saying.

Have a steak dinner on me tonight, Ace, and keep fightin'.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (9LuAk)

310 And yet because he expresses the opinion that I should be allowed to opt out of participating in and should not be forced to labor at an event that is sacrilegious in my faith tradition he will now be classified as a hateful
bigot on oar with the Nazis and the KKK that deserves be run out of society.

As was said earlier in the week that Ace took offense to, "Pick a side, or it will be picked for you".

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (JCa6T)

311 285 Can Bill, or anyone at all, identify a Muslim business that has been singled out by the left for harassment/boycotting/character assassination?

tap, tap, tap.....

For that matter any business or charity organization other than Christian ones?

tap, tap, tap.....

Posted by: West at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (1Rgee)

Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (fWAjv)

312 I'm just left with the impression that Bill isn't all that Quick.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (eytER)

313 Yes sir, and I pray that the absolute hottest part of hell, is occupied by that sleazy fuck.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 02, 2015 01:44 PM (8NTh+)

It's not hot, but it sure is wet and cramped in the back seat of this Oldsmobile.

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (cL79m)

314 Now who will clean up this mess?

Posted by: m0x at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (TIJv6)

315 Dress Code?

It's No-Pants Thursday by my watch.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (7ObY1)

316 Oh thank allah, mini moo is here

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (Spluw)

317 $184K+

*yawn*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (F2IAQ)

318 People like Quick out themselves as phony libertarians when it comes to social issues. Yeah, he's totally for freedom so long as don't do something which might possibly upset one his favored groups.

Posted by: Paul at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (P1jJI)

319 So, shorter Bill Quick: It's just a pinch of incense.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (rwI+c)

320 Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (S8V5R)

This.

Once you actually consider what "Gay Wedding" really means to a devout Christian, you begin to understand why Christians are not okay with serving them.

If you want to *have* a "Gay Wedding," then... well, Land of the Free, baby. Go for it. Just leave me out of it.

If you're going to ask my opinion: be prepared because you're going to get it.

If you're going to ask for my participation: no. Literally: "Hell, no."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (kff5f)

321 Nice work, Ace. You're on fire like a Buddhist monk.

That seemed a little... insensitive.

Yet I laughed.

What the hell is wrong with me???

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (TPjwz)

278 Now I'm hungry for cake and pizza.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

----

And Buddhist Barbecue.

Posted by: Human Being at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (VAsIq)

322 The management of the company I work for is very prog and proud. I try to keep my head down and my yap shut.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (w2MRj)

howzat sittin' with your conscience?

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (rgYlb)

323 Just pulling this reminder over from the last thread:

GoFundMe was used by the people doing the Gosnell doc to raise funds. They originally planned to use Kickstarter, but Kickstarter rejected them for being too controversial or violent or some other such nonsense (aka too conservative). Never mind that other violent projects were funded at the same time. Hypocrites.

A percentage of the funds raised by a project goes back to the parent crowdfundung site. GoFundMe might not be conservative, but they will allow conservatives to raise funds for whatever they want, unlike Kickstarter. So if you have to crowdfund something, you know who to use.

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (yRwC8)

324 It's actually a damn shame that the Culture War has turned into Armageddon with even Unconditional Surrender off the table. We have a society that picks sides and rather than debate those views in a civilized manner. Even ignoring differing views does not come into play, one must pick up the pitchforks and utterly destroy the "Others", it's the essence of oneself now to aid in killing off "THEM"

It's a shame because it's reduced us to cocooning ourselves into teams and tribes engaged in internecine mob wars. How much do I learn or think while reading the thoughts that echo my own? I could at one time expand my mind by listening to or reading the views different from mine, but discussion has degraded into vile and vicious name calling, lying, and cult mentalities which make reading those views impossible to stomach.

They never stop, are never satisfied, and my only joy will be watching them turn on each other when there are no more enemies outside of their tribal alliances to destroy

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (GrXXa)

325 ace: funkin a right.

'Murica.

Posted by: revolting peasant at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (V4UCQ)

326
"But while I completely understand and endorse the Business Casual system of empty, gray dullness at work, I do not and will not accept it outside of work.

It is one thing to demand that I comport myself as if I am walking on eggshells for 9 or ten hours a day, at work. It is another thing entirely to further insist that when I get Home, and rest at my metaphoric Castle, that I must continue to follow the Corporate Rules of Conduct."

Which is exactly why this country jumped the shark when we (as expressed by the MSM, every "responsible" corporate outlet etc) allowed Donald Sterling to be excoriated for expressing, in his own home, that he preferred his ostensible girlfriend not to be publically seen dating black men.

Posted by: NYC Pedantic Parent at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (HEo6y)

327
I neglected to say Awesome Writing Ace. Excellent.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (ODxAs)

328 Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA

I doubt it. She's twice the man mini moo is, and I don't expect a visit.

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (Spluw)

329 Yes ace...... This is one epic post. One of your best.

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (fLKzW)

330 Bill Quick probably pines for the metric system.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (RHLfG)

331 Hammer $184K

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (0FSuD)

332 303 How many of us here would keep our jobs if it was known what we posted here?

The management of the company I work for is very prog and proud. I try to keep my head down and my yap shut.
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:45 PM (w2MRj)

____________

It works both ways. I did some consulting work for a large company you've most likely bought a service from. Anyway, it's a privately held company and uber religious. I'm pretty sure had I told the CEO that I am all in favor of SSM and I'm pro-choice, my contract would have been terminated on the spot.

Whether you're on the left or on the right, it's best to just shut your mouth when it comes to politics in the workplace.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (0LHZx)

333 CAKE CAKE CAKE PIZZA CAKE CAKE

Dammit.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 01:48 PM (/kI1Q)

334 $185K This is amazing to watch.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:48 PM (0FSuD)

335 Can you still post "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or has that too be outlawed?

Goes to health code violations.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:48 PM (JCa6T)

336 Fuckin' A, man.

Posted by: holygoat at April 02, 2015 01:48 PM (/v7Q7)

337 6500 donations in 19 hours.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:48 PM (0FSuD)

338 Quick question: If we are able to mandate cultural uniformity, where do you (yourself) draw the line? When has government gone too far in mandating cultural values?

Must food stores in the Bronx for example mandate their customers speak English only when they ask "how fresh is this lettuce?", if the government were to decide the official language is English? If you don't speak English you can't buy food?

Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at April 02, 2015 01:48 PM (LISuA)

339 Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (fWAjv)

---

Not.gonna.happen.

That would take *courage*. . . something I suspect little miss Milano or whatever her name is.... doesnt really possess.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 01:48 PM (NaV4z)

340

That's not discriminating against a group of people is it? Now if it said White People: no shirt needed, Black People: shirt needed, it would be discrimination.

--

It discriminates against nudists.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (dquK7)

341 $185K+

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (F2IAQ)

342 The subtext of this whole thing is that gays are mentally ill children who require psychological validation from every single corner of society.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (L2xDv)

343 Can you still post "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or has that too be outlawed?

Goes to health code violations.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:48 PM (JCa6T)

"Health" is a social construct.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (W5DcG)

344 46 I completely agree with you that most Americans are stupid.
- Ace
That's the root cause of most of this country's problems.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:17 PM (0LHZx)

Actually most people - Americans or not - are not stupid. They are however often narrowly focused on a few things and uninformed, disinterested and unmotivated to expand their knowledge on anything outside of this.

But I assure you that when it comes to something they have a direct, personal interest in - whether money, love, fame, etc. - they become amazingly focused little McGyvers. It's just most don't see politics or public policy or any of the other stuff that we carry on so much about here as being particularly relevant to their lives so it goes into their Don't Think About category.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (wqVD1)

345 Hear, hear!!!

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (DNpio)

346 Also, I think you crashed his website. An Ace-O-Lanche.

Posted by: holygoat at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (/v7Q7)

347 I believe the name of this movie is . . .

"America, FUCK YEAH!"

Posted by: Sharkman at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (72D6h)

348 222 The problem is that that ship sailed 50 years ago. If you offer a service publicly, than you have to sell to whoever-may-come.

Not if you are a Muslim cab driver, apparently.

Posted by: West at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (1Rgee)

349 Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.

Nice Reporter: Mr. Hassan Muhammed-Mohammed, you don't serve any of those filthy Jooooos here, do you?

Muslim Business-Owner: No Jooooos. Jooooos are the offspring of pigs and dogs. We will watch them burn. Death to Israel!

Nice Reporter: I couldn't agree more. Back to Connie in studio with the weather.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (7ObY1)

350 I was told there would be no long novels on the reading list.

/kidding

Nice post, Ace. As a member of the RCC, I'm with you actually on liberty and justice for all. This puts me at odds with both the far Catholic left and the far Catholic right. Both are OCD types who, unlike Ratzinger, believe people need to be forced to be good. I'm from the RCC school that says once you're eighteen, you're an adult. You're responsible for your own ideas and moral choices. You are free to say yes, or no. We may disagree strongly with those beliefs and choices, but we all agree that we're adults who are capable of handling the consequences of those things on our own.

In return, we want to be treated with the same adult sense of respect. Don't like us? Fine. You can think we're deluded, and we can think you're choosing hell. We can talk to each other, seek to persuade each other, and then go drinking together as we watch the world burn and our loved ones die, one by one, as happened to me this past week.

That's life.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (a99xE)

351 The subtext of this whole thing is that gays are mentally ill children who require psychological validation from every single corner of society.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (L2xDv)
************
You WILL celebrate our perversions..... OR ELSE!

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (fLKzW)

352 I'm pretty sure had I told the CEO that I am all in favor of SSM and I'm pro-choice, my contract would have been terminated on the spot.

So.....You've lived life on the edge? Worried about subsonic strategic missiles?
Braveheart that you are? So brave that you won't call it gay marriage?

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (Spluw)

353 What's the dress code here?

I thought it was plaid...flannel...and a gimme cap.

But I've heard rumors about tartan.

Posted by: Amos Slowden at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (XXnNu)

354 Ace, I understand what you are saying: one should be free to run your business as you see fit. You should be free to refuse service to a woman whose head is not scarved. I'm pretty much on board with that (and also agree with your cab-driver issue).

But here's where things might get sticky: What about that business and its hiring/employment practices?

Would you go along with with a Muslim business requiring all employees to follow Muslim codes at work? And would your answer depend upon how big that business is?

I'm mulling that one over a bit...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (wtvvX)

355 In other news, the US got France, Germany and Soviet Russia to agree to give it joint credit for the Mad Mullah Nuclear Program.

Peace in our time (or is that Piece in our time).

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (cL79m)

356 "Health" is a social construct.>>>

No it's a right!!11!!!!!

Posted by: Raging Lefty with no clue at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (Mxs5H)

357 @344
Yeah, I think that's more right than not. It's not so much stupidity as "Don't. Care.", which is actually worse when you think about it.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker - Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (k8xvx)

358
Dress Code?

It's No-Pants Thursday by my watch.
Posted by: Citizen X
...............................
And we thank you for keeping your chair close to the desk.

Posted by: Samsung Tech Support at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (wAQA5)

359 Way back in the early 2000's, my daily blog hangout was the Daily Pundit. Bill Quick slowly drives off his audience one reader at a time with bullshit like this and why I left there to come be with you fine people.

Posted by: dogfish at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (1vYi0)

360
As an aside, is there such a thing as wedding pie? (I know what's gonna happen with that line).

But wouldn't that be great, a wedding with pie.

I like pie.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (ODxAs)

361 1850 local so off to comm the missus.

Side note: wrecked a chessboard mid-game today and the pieces were everywhere and all FU.

First thought was "oh, that looks like Obama's foreign policy"

Posted by: TangoNine at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (rgYlb)

362 Ace, you answered the Muslim cab driver as if he owns the company. Fair enough, but that is not usually the case. The OWNER of the company gets to set that company's policies, and the cab driver is usually just an employee of that company.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (L5DWK)

363 >>Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.

They don't want to deal with backlash from CAIR, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (cXQJ2)

364 Do they make Burberry Kilts?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (n9kSQ)

365 Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.

Nice Reporter: Mr. Hassan Muhammed-Mohammed, you don't serve any of those filthy Jooooos here, do you?
Muslim Business-Owner: No Jooooos. Jooooos are the offspring of pigs and dogs. We will watch them burn. Death to Israel!
Nice Reporter: I couldn't agree more. Back to Connie in studio with the weather.
Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (7ObY1)

Mr. Muslim business owner, do you allow service dogs into your store, as is required to be compliant with the ADA? If not, why do you hate our country's laws?

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (yRwC8)

366 What about that business and its hiring/employment practices?

Already addressed by the Civil Rights Act.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (a99xE)

367 This is Pious Farouk at Farouk's Harem of Laundry.
We give a 10 percent discount to veiled women with the best
Allahu Akbar chant. No dogs or uncleaned women allowed.
If you are on your menses, please purify yourself with sand 20 minutes
before entering the premises. Bring your goat in and the cutest goat
will win you a: I Got Taken To The Cleaners At Farouk's Harem Of
Laundry T shirt. Please do not wear the T Shirt outside of your Burka.
It is immodest and Allah will strike you dead. Farouk's Harem of Laundry: pleasing consumers in the Alexandria, Virginia area for 20 years...

Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (R7TYa)

368 Suppose I'm thinking about opening a sandwich shop.

And I'm going to have an old radio in the corner, playing loud enough to be heard by all the customers.

And that radio is going to blare forth the voice of a Southern man, on and on about the evils of blacks and black government and black society.

The trick is: It'll be an actor, reading word for word the works of Jeramiah Wright, Louis Farakkan and Malcolm X--with every use of "white" changed to "black" and so forth.

How long until I'm bombed like a church?
How long until the lynch mob shows up?

And even after the trick is revealed, will I be a free man?

Some of our citizens are more equal in their speech than others, no?

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (ZvKdv)

369 I read the review and missed the entire movie!

Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (ufFCO)

370 Fuck cabs. Your Uber profile should say ... likely to have alcohol and bacon.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (ztOda)

371
I am glad to see the no pants option is still standard here.

Option? I thought no pants was mandatory at the HQ.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (SpnVI)

372 And we thank you for keeping your chair close to the desk.

It's not that close.

I can't get that close to the desk.

Because my big penis is enormous.

I gotta work on these punchlines.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (7ObY1)

373 Apu would like to assure everyone that Bill has nothing to do with his delicious yet easily abused self serve policy for ice cream.

Posted by: Quick-E-Mart at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (39g3+)

374 ***"That's not discriminating against a group of people is it? Now if it
said White People: no shirt needed, Black People: shirt needed, it would
be discrimination."***

Well, actually it IS discriminating against a group of people. It's discriminating against a group of people that are identifiable by superficial, visual characteristics. The sort of superficiality that the Left preaches about constantly. It's certainly not about health (despite what the codes say] and it's all about not offending or grossing out customers.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (xSCb6)

375 It discriminates against nudists.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (dquK7)
I guess their fetish isnt as important as the ghey one.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (ztOda)

376 Mr. Muslim business owner, would you hire this nice boy, who happens to be wearing a yarmulke, to take inventory?

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (a99xE)

377
I was under the impression the dress code was a kilt and tank top for the guys, bikini bottom and no top for the girls.

Don't mess with my mental pictures of all of you.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (dquK7)

378 If Quick is any sort of libertarian, doesn't he realize that the free market can resolve these kinds of situations on its own? If Muslim guy won't sell to white Gentile woman, then he's cutting off market share. If he doesn't sell to more Muslims, then he goes out of business.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at April 02, 2015 01:53 PM (RHLfG)

379 If you don't think politics are relevant to your life these days you really are stupid.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2015 01:53 PM (KETbL)

380 It is time to put away childish things?

Posted by: People up in Harlem call me Reverend Al at April 02, 2015 01:53 PM (rtjLI)

381 Actually most people - Americans or not - are not stupid. They are however often narrowly focused on a few things and uninformed, disinterested and unmotivated to expand their knowledge on anything outside of this.

But I assure you that when it comes to something they have a direct, personal interest in - whether money, love, fame, etc. - they become amazingly focused little McGyvers. It's just most don't see politics or public policy or any of the other stuff that we carry on so much about here as being particularly relevant to their lives so it goes into their Don't Think About category.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (wqVD1)

___________

Sure there's definitely a lot of that. But I think most Americans are also simply not very intelligent. They can't think critically about an issue. They've been dumbed down to only think in black and white terms. So even when they focus on a political issue, they don't know how to take two arguments and form an opinion after evaluating the merits of those arguments. They just believe whatever they read on Twitter or what Jon Stewart says and don't question any of it. To me that is a sign of stupidity.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:53 PM (0LHZx)

382 No pants is mandatory.

But you get to choose a ballcap with the name of your favorite firearms manufacturer.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (7ObY1)

383 Do not offer my God a peanut.

Posted by: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (rwI+c)

384 Y'know, this exact thing played out -- with the exact same actors -- in the latter years of the Roman Empire.

First, there were emperors who were pagan, and who persecuted the Christians.

Then an emperor converted to Christianity, and suddenly it became the state religion, and everyone had to kowtow to Christian rules.

After a long while of this, unexpectedly, a later emperor reverted back to paganism - and once again the Christians were persecuted and out of power.

And finally, the Christians regained the throne, for good.

And the solution to all this -- and the genius of the Founding Fathers -- is to NOT have a state religion, and to allow complete freedom of religious conviction amongst citizens.

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (K4YiS)

385 RoyalOil, have WeirdDave set up your insurance first.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (ztOda)

386 It's No-Pants Thursday by my watch.

Isn't every day No-Pants day on ace's blog?

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (w2MRj)

387 Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 02, 2015 01:46 PM (fWAjv)

I'd give my left tit to see her try and get thrown out for not wearing a burka.

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (v0/PR)

388 In other news, the US got France, Germany and Soviet Russia to agree to give it joint credit for the Mad Mullah Nuclear Program.

Peace in our time (or is that Piece in our time).
Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (cL79m)

Earning that Nobel Peace Prize, I am!

Posted by: Obama, totes the bestest at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (yRwC8)

389 So if I go to some foo, foo bakery and order a gun shaped cake (AR-15) for my shooting club and they turn me down because they are all in for gun control. Can I sue?

Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (sWgE+)

390 Well, we don't care how many objections we get from those social justice types, we're still not changing the name!

Posted by: White Castle at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (DLu2s)

391 "Health" is a social construct.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.

True. Plagues for everyone!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (JCa6T)

392 The problem with America isn't that people are intellectually stupid, its that they are morally stupid. A republic can only survive if its people are virtuous enough to make good choices that are hard and sometimes hurt. Once that ends, the system collapses under the weight of selfishness and greed.

Our modern culture pressures people to mature physically as fast as possible and pressure them to never grow ethically and morally.

Dumb, but virtuous, people can sustain a republic well indefinitely. Smart but wicked people destroy it rapidly.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (39g3+)

393 Well, actually it IS discriminating against a group of people. It's discriminating against a group of people that are identifiable by superficial, visual characteristics. The sort of superficiality that the Left preaches about constantly. It's certainly not about health (despite what the codes say] and it's all about not offending or grossing out customers.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 01:52 PM (xSCb6)

_________

No.

Anyone without a shirt on can put on a shirt. Anyone without shoes on, can put shoes on.

On the other hand a black person can't stop being black.

Which is why discrimination against shirtless people is OK, discrimination against black people is not OK.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (0LHZx)

394 You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Reader's Digest Condensed Book of the Month at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (bUmSq)

395 >>Would you go along with with a Muslim business requiring all employees
to follow Muslim codes at work? And would your answer depend upon how
big that business is?

I'm mulling that one over a bit...

Well, there are religious private schools that don't want to hire someone who violates their beliefs, such as gay or with child outside of wedlock, because this is setting an example not in agreement with their institutions teachings.
IIRC, there was recently a teacher that announced he was marrying his male partner on facebook was fired from his teaching job (in the last year).

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (cXQJ2)

396 That was a long movie!

Posted by: RomneyBot Since 2007 at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (3ImmG)

397 A brilliant essay, Ace. Superb.

Generally speaking, remember back in the day when the ACLU and the Left were all hot and bothered about children being "forced" to recite the Pledge of Allegiance?

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Posted by: mrp at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (JBggj)

398 344 46 "I completely agree with you that most Americans are stupid."
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:47 PM (0LHZx)

"Actually most people - Americans or not - are not stupid. They are however often narrowly focused on a few things and uninformed, disinterested and unmotivated to expand their knowledge on anything outside of this."
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 02, 2015 01:49 PM (wqVD1)

This is an important argument.

For me, the older I get the more I agree with Moo Moo. People are awfully fucking stupid.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (9ZZd+)

399 Isn't every day No-Pants day on ace's blog?

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (w2MRj)

Except for your book thread, yeah.

Film at 11.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (cL79m)

400 >>So if I go to some foo, foo bakery and order a gun shaped cake (AR-15) for my shooting club and they turn me down because they are all in for gun control. Can I sue?

That is exactly the kind of stuff we should be doing, go all Alinsky on them and make them live up to their own principles.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 02, 2015 01:56 PM (g1DWB)

401 zombie

They prob'ly got the idea from the Edict of Milan.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 01:56 PM (a99xE)

402 The greatest sucess of the left was getting rid of shame.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2015 01:56 PM (KETbL)

403 389 So if I go to some foo, foo bakery and order a gun shaped cake (AR-15) for my shooting club and they turn me down because they are all in for gun control. Can I sue?
Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 01:54 PM (sWgE+)

__________

You could. You'd probably lose, but you could try.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:56 PM (0LHZx)

404 Who is Bill Quick?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2015 01:56 PM (u0kqM)

405 And the solution to all this -- and the genius of the Founding Fathers -- is to NOT have a state religion, and to allow complete freedom of religious conviction amongst citizens.

Its a bad idea - for the religion and the state - to have an official state religion. But a culture cannot exist without a shared dominant faith. What we're experiencing right now is a struggle for a leftist religion to dominate. Any other religion that gets in the way that has any real power or influence on culture or law (Christianity, Judaism) must be crushed.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:56 PM (39g3+)

406 Ace!I thought you loved me. I'm just a cuddly dwarf kangaroo. Come here, and let me nuzzle you ...

Posted by: Bill Quokka at April 02, 2015 01:56 PM (xkSSa)

407 Option? I thought no pants was mandatory at the HQ.

Kilts remember?

Also the guys get shirts. Women don't.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (ODxAs)

408 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (39g3+)

*claps*

*realizes is performing a microaggression and switches to jazz hands*

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (yRwC8)

409 Outstanding post

I

I associate myself with this post :->

Posted by: ginaswo at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (2EgyQ)

410 This post should go in the "Ace's Greatest Hits" compilation e-book that needs to be for sale.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (/kI1Q)

411 Bravo! The left's insistence on conformity is exactly how they made an enemy out of me.

I grew up in 1970s Boulder. Full of weirdos. Religious weirdos, druggie weirdos, genius weirdos, all kinds. It was awesome. Adults always encouraged to pursue my interests and be weird too. So I graduated from high school and left home at 16. I had spiked purple hair and wore black leather and the lefties in college did their utmost to brainwash me. But they were ignorant bigots who slandered whole groups of people, got hostile when I asked questions, and even coerced me to speak against my beliefs. Soon I saw the whole farce for what it was: cowards engaged in groupthink.

The rot that was limited to universities 20 years ago, is now infecting the body politic. It doesn't terrify me, exactly, because I expected it. Cultural hegemony has always been the implicit, and sometimes explicit, goal. But it disgusts me, and infuriates me, and I will resist assimilation by the Borg until my last dying breath.

Fuck yeah, Ace. Well said.

Posted by: Lab Rat at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (hAbrX)

412 zombie

See also "Pope Gelasius."

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (a99xE)

413 This is an important argument.

For me, the older I get the more I agree with Moo Moo. People are awfully fucking stupid.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (9ZZd+)

----

peas and carrots I tell ya....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (NaV4z)

414 Awesome!

Posted by: matthewjohn at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (7pEow)

415 .....In 25 years on the internet... That may be the most beautiful rant I've ever read....

Posted by: Tom Swift and His Ultrasonic Cycloplane at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (L8BKn)

416 I hearted ace but pixy got jealous and censored it

Posted by: ginaswo at April 02, 2015 01:57 PM (2EgyQ)

417 Now he's also attacking Drew.

What a weird world, where "I don't like you" is a crime requiring state action to remedy--at the tip of the spear, we are being forced to deny our beliefs; the fundamental essence of our being is now a crime: No Having Non-Approved Thoughts.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (ZvKdv)

418 This is all part of the "I'll be offended FOR someone else." American Indians aren't offended by sports teams names? We'll I'll be offended for them! In WA state, gay guy not offended by baker refusing to bake cake? Well, the state AG will be offended FOR them!

The only people that should be concerned about this are gays that have been refused their special cake. But we know they are upset because they have deliberately chosen to seek out Christian bakers that might turn them down. If the State backs those business and tells gays up front that they need to look for businesses that will provide those services to them, they won't have anyone to sue.

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (5HBd1)

419 peas and carrots I tell ya....
Posted by: fixerupper

Word. And notice that both ignore me.

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (Spluw)

420 The American people are stipid because the left made sure they woould be.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (KETbL)

421 Which is why discrimination against shirtless people is OK, discrimination against black people is not OK.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo---Tell that to the nudist. You are discriminating against him.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (dquK7)

422 THEN WHO WAS HALAL?

Posted by: RomneyBot since 2007 at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (3ImmG)

423
...and so.. to lunch. Homemade pizza, extra pepperoni, sausage, extra cheese and an ambulance on standby.

Posted by: Ann Sew at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (XXnNu)

424 The horde has crashed Quick's server

Posted by: Tex the lesser at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (eOpVe)

425 Pizza fund is bringing in $9,800 an hour for 19 hours.

$190K, 6700 donors

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (0FSuD)

426 THANK YOU for writing this.

Posted by: Laura at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (ew9ys)

427 403
No moo moo. Based on past cases I think I would win.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (sWgE+)

428 We have a state religion. It's secularism. The pillars of this faith are racial quotas, amnesty, abortion, global warming, and identity politics. Any variance from these pillars of belief will be punished

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (zOTsN)

429 On the other hand a black person can't stop being black.

Which is why discrimination against shirtless people is OK, discrimination against black people is not OK.

Discrimination against black people is wrong because of the Civil War and 13th/14th/15th Amendments. Discrimination against people for immutable characteristics, like gender, continued to be okay long afterwards. In fact, it was perfectly okay to deny differently gendered folk the right to vote! It took the 19th Amendment to change that.

But now, suddenly, the Civil War was about state licenses for marriage ceremonies to commemorate ass fucking. Glory brigade, indeed.

Posted by: wooga at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (/lTdx)

430 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo---Tell that to the nudist. You are discriminating against him.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada

And don't forget 'disparate impact'. heh.

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (Spluw)

431 424
The horde has crashed Quick's server

Posted by: Tex the lesser at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (eOpVe)

Don't tell me, he went over his 500 hits a day?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (0FSuD)

432 You should read that into a microphone and post it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (n9kSQ)

433 Seems Bill wasn't quick enough with the port 8080.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (a99xE)

434 Am I really expected to write a riposte to such a childish amalgam of cursing and aggression? The careless form and mannerlessness of this article denotes the lacking moral maturity of the vulgar libertarianism that is its content, "Ace".

Posted by: William Thaddeus Quick at April 02, 2015 01:59 PM (pspwS)

435 >>I grew up in 1970s Boulder. Full of weirdos. Religious weirdos, druggie weirdos, genius weirdos, all kinds. It was awesome.

Heh, me, too (late 70's/early 80's) - BHS or Fairview?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (cXQJ2)

436 They are demanding replacement of one belief system with another

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (zOTsN)

437 Reich-wing haters are enemies of humanity. All should(and will) be eliminated.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (g6VuL)

438 BlogFight, BlogFight!

Looks like he missed the point and dayum that's alottacontent.

Posted by: DaveA at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (DL2i+)

439 immutable characteristics, like gender

So cis-normative.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (/kI1Q)

440 Body count up to 75 in Kenya.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (n9kSQ)

441 But here's where things might get sticky: What about that business and its hiring/employment practices?

They're only "sticky" because of the warped way we think of business, Property Rights, and "race relations."

If a business wants to hire only whites, or only blacks, or only asians- what is that to you? Beyond, of course, the question of whether or not you will willingly associate with such a business.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (kff5f)

442 If must have conformity, make everyone a member of a "protected class"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (Px4PF)

443 Posted by: William Thaddeus Quick

Somebody's paid by the word

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 02:01 PM (Spluw)

444 You WILL celebrate our perversions..... OR ELSE!
Posted by: Genghis Cohen at April 02, 2015 01:50 PM (fLKzW)

---------------------------------------

This. I guess being "American" means nothing to people anymore. Most citizens of this country have absolutely no concept of that freedom.

Posted by: Quick Trip Store at April 02, 2015 02:01 PM (/HX7u)

445 The Left demands you conform, because Diversity.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:01 PM (MMC8r)

446 424 The horde has crashed Quick's server
Posted by: Tex the lesser at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (eOpVe)

Ace-alanche!

Posted by: Laura at April 02, 2015 02:01 PM (ew9ys)

447 I tell my grandson all the time to think things through to their logical end before making up his mind. I think this might be where Quick went wrong on his post. He started down a road and at some point he probably knew he had talked himself out of the point he was trying to make, but instead of stopping, he tried to salvage the post with strained logic, hoping nobody would notice.

A man has to know his limitations.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 02, 2015 02:01 PM (BZAd3)

448 I think they're close to making deal with Iran.
Iran says none of their nuclear facilities will be closed.

Looks like we are F'd!

Posted by: Carol at April 02, 2015 02:01 PM (sj3Ax)

449 "Any variance from these pillars of belief will be punished"

And notice the punishments:

- burning
- shunning
- bankrupting
- public shaming
- termination of employment

All they need is some special uniform thing, and there they are.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (a99xE)

450 So, is Ace going to beat him up? Where does Quick live? How about a blogger death match? Come on, Ace! You can take the little libertarian nancy boy!

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (iQIUe)

451 Ok, who is this Bill QUick fellow? I just arrived?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (2Aj5D)

452 Body count up to 75 in Kenya.

As great a tragedy as this is, it would be a shame if their diversity becomes a casualty as well.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (rwI+c)

453 ***"I did some consulting work for a large company you've most likely bought
a service from. Anyway, it's a privately held company and uber
religious. I'm pretty sure had I told the CEO that I am all in favor of
SSM and I'm pro-choice, my contract would have been terminated on the
spot."***

Well, if you worked for Amway, that's a rather large signal that you're a clueless idiot. And no, even your superior clueless idiots at Amway wouldn't have terminated your "contract".

Because they needed your blockhead in the bottom of the pyramid to hold it up.

I'm amazed at how you can find new ways to discredit yourself on a daily basis.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (xSCb6)

454 A man has to know his limitations.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb

Or at least turn off the webcam before fapping.

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (Spluw)

455
Also the guys get shirts. Women don't.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
......................
Unless they are wet. And tight. Very tight.

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (wAQA5)

456 Any other religion that gets in the way that has any real
power or influence on culture or law (Christianity, Judaism) must be crushed.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Noticed you didn't include the elephant in the room.
(not trying to pick a fight)

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (JCa6T)

457 I think they're close to making deal with Iran.
Iran says none of their nuclear facilities will be closed.

Great job, Barry!

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (MMC8r)

458 139 I don't think Bill Quick is a leftest. He describes himself as a libertarian and has a bugaboo about religion similar to Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins.
Posted by: boxty at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (LYvWK)

Wow, that was quick (pardon the pun). It seems all of the Boycott Indiana crowd's issues are right on the surface.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (L2xDv)

459 439 immutable characteristics, like gender

So cis-normative.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (/kI1Q)

I need to start printing up signs: "no shoes, no vagina, no service". If you want to patronize my store, you have to put on shoes and cut off your cock.

Posted by: wooga at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (/lTdx)

460 Funny how the same people who Embrace multiculturalism...

The same who say all Cultures are the same...

Will cast you out and ask you to be punished, if you don't like THEIR culture.

And it is, indeed, a culture.

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (qh617)

461
I really don't get it (well I do, leftism and all), but as long as there is a public option for any service, why do people care what one business does? I just wouldn't patronize the place that doesn't like me. There is no widespread institutional discrimination that I know of.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (ODxAs)

462 Several years ago there was a minor kerfuffle about some anti-Semitic book being popular in the Muslim world.

In my travels around the Bay Area, I had seen that there was an Islamic shop I passed every now and then, which sold all sorts of Islamic-themed goods.

I became curious as to whether or not they were carrying this book, so I steeled myself and one day went and entered the store to browse around and look for it.

The store was full of hijabs and korans and big posters with Arabic writing and so forth. But I didn't get much of a chance to look around. The owner, the moment he saw me in his store, glared at me like I was a deep-sea squid or maybe a rabid dog. He followed me, silently, around the store, and would not take his eyes of me, and when I stopped he just stopped and stared at me with the most intense disapproval imaginable.

He succeeded in eventually driving me from the store. Although he never said "No infidels allowed!" it was quite obvious that was his policy. If I had tried to buy something, I'm certain he would have stood there with his arms crossed and refused to sell it to me.

And you know what: I didn't sue. Or call the police. Because, a. I don't want any of that stuff anyway, and b. It's his store, and he can set his rules and drive off whatever customers he wants to drive off.

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (K4YiS)

463 Lizzy: My family moved away right after I finished 7th grade at Baseline Jr. High. But it would have been BHS.

Posted by: Lab Rat at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (hAbrX)

464 Preliminary deal & Janes Rosen is on Fox & then Kerry & TFG,

Posted by: Carol at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (sj3Ax)

465 immutable characteristics, like gender

So cis-normative.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (/kI1Q)

----

"Gender is a social construct. I can choose male or female."

"Gays are born gay. No way to change it."

Two current tenets of progressivism. Can somebody explain to me with a straight face how they can hold those two idioms at the same time.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (NaV4z)

466
The Left demands you conform, because Diversity.

--

I used to joke that "diversity means everybody thinks the same way, and tolerance means that you must tolerate my perverted behavior"

Not so funny anymore.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (dquK7)

467 Well, if you worked for Amway, that's a rather large signal that you're a clueless idiot. And no, even your superior clueless idiots at Amway wouldn't have terminated your "contract".

Because they needed your blockhead in the bottom of the pyramid to hold it up.

I'm amazed at how you can find new ways to discredit yourself on a daily basis.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (xSCb6)

___________

Wasn't Amway. I didn't even know Amway was still around. Is it?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (0LHZx)

468 Just for the record. Does anyone have the right when they call up this hypothetical Cab Company to say "I do not want a muslim Driver"?

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (Vyg9x)

469 434

are you serious?

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (a99xE)

470 See, Ace? Charlize Theron's character in "Prometheus" is *totally* plausible. Bill Quick is also unable to tack either left or right, and so gets squished.

Posted by: Mr. Lurky Lurkington, Esq. at April 02, 2015 02:04 PM (MZZhO)

471 >>Looks like we are F'd!

And Israel, too. Iran has already been advancing on their border, and this agreement puts Israel in the position of having to stop Iran before they get nukes - they already know that Iran's quest to wipe them off the map is non-negotiable.
Yikes!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 02:04 PM (cXQJ2)

472 Yeah, Bill's a dummy, but he makes up the best fucking chocolate milk not made make by underage Swiss prostitutes.

Posted by: #DrinkMoarOvaltine at April 02, 2015 02:04 PM (bUmSq)

473 Over 3200 words. You might need a nap and some food or something, Ace.

Posted by: irright at April 02, 2015 02:04 PM (8GKDa)

474 Hot Damn. Drudge has link to GoFund for pizza guys. Shit's going to get real now. $191K and it's starting to really pick up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:04 PM (0FSuD)

475 Unless they are wet. And tight. Very tight.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2015 02:02 PM (wAQA5)

The shirts or the women?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2015 02:04 PM (2Ojst)

476 He describes himself as a libertarian and has a bugaboo about religion similar to Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins.

Shocka.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:04 PM (MMC8r)

477 230 Bill Quick coined the term "blogosphere" either right before or right after 9/11. He's been kind of coasting on that accomplishment since.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 02, 2015 01:37 PM (B/VB5)

They look more rectangular to me.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (zoehZ)

478 So how long before the secularist start torching churches? Hate to say it but I can see these anarchists doing just that.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (sWgE+)

479 BRB

Fartin' in bathtub

lololololol

Posted by: Bill Quick at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (MMC8r)

480 And so Burn The Witch,

I'd cosult for just about any company. I don't give a fuck what they do, as long as they pay me.

I'd draw the line on businesses that engage in illegal practices. But if what they do is legal, what the fuck do I care?

That's what's so interesting to me about this whole debate. People are willingly giving up a sale because of some religious nonsense? To me that's insane.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (0LHZx)

481 What happens, if it has not already, when muzzie cab drivers or restaurants refuse service to teh gheys?

Well, first off the MSM will ignore the stories as it's "a local issue" and not worthy of their attention. Second, if it does get reported those incidents will be blamed on the "culture of hate" propagated NOT by the ROP, but by "those Tea Party types".

Third, the LGBT "leaders" will advise those discriminated against to "avoid acting in a provocative manner" and be patient while they engage muslim "leaders" in dialog

Once the muslims see that they can discriminate against gays and not only get away with it but have their actions blamed on others, they'll start doing what they do in Europe where you see muzzie "youths" beating up gays in broad daylight on busy streets. Their leadership responded by telling the gay couples to be discreet and not to do anything "provocative". I guess since Europe is running out of Jews, the muzzies will need new prey.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (GrXXa)

482 SOMEONE HAS HACKED GO FUND SITE.

IT'S FROZEN. Commie MFers

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (0FSuD)

483 The solution to the Ace/Quick/Gay/religion conundrum is to have a gay wedding and order an obscene cake from a Muslim baker.

This would clarify everyone's position pronto.

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (K4YiS)

484 ***"No.

Anyone without a shirt on can put on a shirt. Anyone without shoes on, can put shoes on.

On the other hand a black person can't stop being black."***

Yes. Because the subject isn't race now is it?

Yet you can switch religions and chose what hole you want to stick it in.

Might want to find a different analogy, Sport.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (xSCb6)

485 Bravo, Ace. Bravo.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (FqxWY)

486 So far 75 random targets have died in a senseless tragedy in Kenya. Both sides have done wrong in this, and we need to find a way to help the youths of unknown origin and religion find jobs and understand their cultural donations to science through NASA outreach to prevent another tragedy in which no one is to blame. We cannot identify the religion of those who have done this act nor call it terrorism, but clearly Christian acts of terrorism in the past are to blame.

Posted by: State Department Memo at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (39g3+)

487 And Israel, too. Iran has already been advancing on their border, and this agreement puts Israel in the position of having to stop Iran before they get nukes - they already know that Iran's quest to wipe them off the map is non-negotiable.
Yikes!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 02:04 PM (cXQJ2)

The clock to Israel's nuclear destruction was started on 11/6/2012 with the re-election of Teh SCOAMT. The only question now is whether he'll have the good grace to wait until after 11/7/2016 to give them the thousand-warhead sendoff.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (cL79m)

488 Odumbo to speak in the Rose Garden at 2:15 ET re: Iran. Deal reached...

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (v0/PR)

489
Reich-wing haters are enemies of humanity. All should(and will) be eliminated.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (g6VuL)
...........................
Wait a minute. What about Bush lying to everyone? C'mon, Mary.

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2015 02:06 PM (wAQA5)

490 I didn't even know Amway was still around. Is it?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

I'm still around mini moo. Why do you and your friends pretend I'm not here?

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 02:06 PM (Spluw)

491 A fine essay, Ace.

Posted by: Dianna at April 02, 2015 02:06 PM (DV/Ik)

492 311
285 Can Bill, or anyone at all, identify a Muslim business that has been
singled out by the left for harassment/boycotting/character
assassination?

tap, tap, tap.....

For that matter any business or charity organization other than Christian ones?

tap, tap, tap.....

Posted by: West at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (1Rgee)

Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.
===========
The only problem there is moslums are allowed to lie to non-moslums.

Christians are not allowed to lie to anyone.

So, the next story will be "even the moslum bakery said they'd cater the homo ceremony."

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2015 02:06 PM (ZvKdv)

493 Could Drudge have over wielded the site?

Frozen at $191K

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:06 PM (0FSuD)

494 You know Bill Quick is too much of a p*ssy to dare read Ace again after that article

Posted by: Curtis LeMay at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (kFxpe)

495 The problem is that that ship sailed 50 years ago. If you offer a service publicly, than you have to sell to whoever-may-come.
_______________________

We need to get rid of those public accommodation laws. They're not only unconstitutional (violating peoples' right of freedom of association), but they're also out-dated.

I understand the impetus for them. If there was just one hotel in town, and the owner refused to do business with blacks (or hispanics or Muslims or whatever), then that would seriously inconvenience the excluded persons, and would arguably be unfair. But how many towns in the U.S. today have just one hotel, or just one restaurant, or just one of any type of private business that provides an essential like food or lodging?

The economic reality of today's U.S. is that there is an abundance of choices in even the smallest towns, and if you don't like your choices in one town you can drive a few miles to another town and find even more choices. And most businesses are going to be more than happy to accommodate anybody who has the money to pay for the product/service they're selling. So why do we even need these public accommodation laws anymore?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (lmdHn)

496
Ace is obviously NOT a Spartan. Spartans would have left it at "Yes".

I wonder how this Bill Quick person will react to these bigots?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mn5cfx9

H/T to Iowahawk for finding them.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (1hM1d)

497 "Gender is a social construct. I can choose male or female."

"Gays are born gay. No way to change it."

Two current tenets of progressivism. Can somebody explain to me with a straight face how they can hold those two idioms at the same time.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 02:03 PM (NaV4z)

They celebrate cognitive dissonance. In fact, a local lefty blog is named that.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (cL79m)

498 483 The solution to the Ace/Quick/Gay/religion conundrum is to have a gay wedding and order an obscene cake from a Muslim baker.

This would clarify everyone's position pronto.
Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (K4YiS)

___________

That's what I've been saying. SoCons need to partner with Muslims. They'd win the debate in a landslide since the left would shut up immediately instead of criticizing Muslims.

Why SoCons don't get this is a mystery.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (0LHZx)

499 Sure there's definitely a lot of that. But I think most Americans are also simply not very intelligent. They can't think critically about an issue. They've been dumbed down to only think in black and white terms. So even when they focus on a political issue, they don't know how to take two arguments and form an opinion after evaluating the merits of those arguments. They just believe whatever they read on Twitter or what Jon Stewart says and don't question any of it. To me that is a sign of stupidity.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 01:53 PM (0LHZx)

No you're wrong. Debating skills and the ability to make logical arguments are not the same thing as intelligence. These are not innate which is why they have to be taught in school (or not taught in the case of most contemporary public education).

And if you think people are unable to make nuanced arguments, just try discussing something they really care about like say Star Wars, classic muscle cars, the Mets, the housing market, super-models, etc. etc. If you think Americans are solely defined by the relatively small percentage of people who are on Twitter and follow Jon Stewart, you should get out more.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (wqVD1)

500
I take great exception to the antagonist in America who proclaimed that I took it up the wazoo to reach a deal with Iran. Through had work and strong performance by our team of negotiators, we were able to craft a very workable solution without giving up any safety measures for the United States or any of our allies.

Iran will not be able to create a nuclear weapon, and the assurances of the Iranian delegation allow me to make this very important point. Let me restate the obvious, Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. I repeat myself, Iran will never gain access or produce a nuclear weapon.

Posted by: John F'n Kerry at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (P330y)

501 Noticed you didn't include the elephant in the room.
(not trying to pick a fight)

At present, Islam still doesn't have significant cultural or government influence except in small pockets of the country. Its not a competitor or threat to leftist power, yet.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:08 PM (39g3+)

502 Bravo Mr. Ace... Bravo...

[stands... slow claps]

Posted by: phreshone at April 02, 2015 02:08 PM (kFxpe)

503 "People are willingly giving up a sale because of some religious nonsense? To me that's insane."

You've made your amorality clear, Moo. We get it: you have your reward.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:08 PM (a99xE)

504 Well said, ace. I've had it about up to here with these fucking Republican squishes who don't seem to understand that. I'm sick and tired of Republicans/conservatives backing away from a completely legitimate position because a loud minority of leftwing agitators deliberately misinterpret it.

What governor and the state of Indiana should have said was, "The law is perfectly valid and functions exactly as intended. It will remain. Now fuck off."

Posted by: OSUsux at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (DFXmi)

505 Pimping for a friend: if the first wave of Rant Shock is wearing off and you want that kind of high again, alexthechick is mad at the world on twitter.

Epicly so.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (JtwS4)

506 Posted by: notsothoreau at April 02, 2015 01:58 PM (5HBd1)

this is all about being given permission to bully... in a nice safe anonymous way.

Even the Hollywood or Business Lefties will not say things to peoples faces... they hide behind their sychophants in the media... and their OWN armed guards... to safely bully others.

We need to bring back the Code Duello....

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (qh617)

507 Hey, ace, can you find out what's up with the go fund site being frozen from some of the other intertube bloggers.

Is this an attack?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (0FSuD)

508 Yet you can switch religions and chose what hole you want to stick it in.

Might want to find a different analogy, Sport.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 02:05 PM (xSCb6)

_____________

Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (0LHZx)

509 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (0LHZx)

Because you're as wrong as wrong can be. The Left has already partnered with the Islamokazis as their international muscle.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (cL79m)

510 Holey shitsnakz did you two misread each other?

Posted by: DaveA at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (DL2i+)

511 @cnnbrk: Under proposed nuclear deal, UN would terminate all resolutions sanctioning Iran

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (v0/PR)

512 Its a bad idea - for the religion and the state - to have an official state religion. But a culture cannot exist without a shared dominant faith. What we're experiencing right now is a struggle for a leftist religion to dominate. Any other religion that gets in the way that has any real power or influence on culture or law (Christianity, Judaism) must be crushed.

I am now wondering if it is impossible to maintain a "shared dominant faith" without the support of a state church. Because there's no such thing as "no state religion". If the state claims not to have a religion, the progs will happily provide one for them. Which they are in the process of doing.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 02, 2015 02:10 PM (w2MRj)

513 "Why SoCons don't get this is a mystery."

Because -- and this might shock you -- it isn't about power, Moo.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:10 PM (a99xE)

514 You know Bill Quick is too much of a p*ssy to dare read Ace again after that article

He'll come here and look at it because of the Ace-o-lanche. There's no such thing as a blogger that doesn't check their site numbers.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:10 PM (39g3+)

515 Could Drudge have over wielded the site?
Frozen at $191K

Counting wheels broke off.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 02:10 PM (JCa6T)

516 They just believe whatever they read on Twitter or what Jon Stewart says and don't question any of it.

Jon Stewart is done. His ratings have been on an MSNBC trajectory since 2010, which is the real reason he's out at the Daily Show. Under-35s think he's old and icky and watch Jimmy Fallon, if they watch any late night at all. Stewart's median viewer is a mid-40s white male making over $250k, which isn't the demographic Comedy Central (or its advertisers) had in mind.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 02, 2015 02:10 PM (B/VB5)

517 None of this matters because once the government passed the Civil Rights legislation they destroyed freedom of association.

It was only a matter of time until they used it in an expanded and coercive manner.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 02, 2015 02:10 PM (oFCZn)

518 I want to Thank Presdent Obama for his continuous efforts to expose Bush's lies. Thank Mr. Presdent and everyone in Brattleboro loves you.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 02, 2015 02:10 PM (Sd++4)

519 So, Ace: You okay with Muslim owned businesses refusing to serve women not "properly" covered -- ie., bagged in a burkha, because Religious Liberty?
Yes.

Of course RFRA supporters would support that. That's what RFRA is!

/facepalmdeskshotgunbrainsplatter

Posted by: TallDave at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (/s1LA)

520 "I am now wondering if it is impossible to maintain a "shared dominant faith" without the support of a state church."

Go to England. Their state churches are empty.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (a99xE)

521 At present, Islam still doesn't have significant cultural or government influence except in small pockets of the country. Its not a competitor or threat to leftist power, yet.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:08 PM (39g3+)

I actually disagree.... Islam has tremendous power in the Centers of this Administration.... and the Last...

When even the FBI won't talk about Islamic terrorism is its own internal documents....

THAT... is influence...

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (qh617)

522 Worried about conformity and the loss of freedom? Just wait until the day driverless cars become mandatory.

Posted by: mrp at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (JBggj)

523
requiring shirt and shoes to enter a business is public health code

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (lKyWE)

524 Little Barry Soetoro has cut a nuclear deal with the Iranians??? My God, what have I unleashed!!??

Posted by: Robert Oppenheimer at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (kFxpe)

525 Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

It's what some gays, especially lesbians say. And it's what what most gays said prior to the, what 80s'? 90s?

But it's a nice obfuscation. i still won't cater to one and you won't make me moo.

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (Spluw)

526 You know Bill Quick is too much of a p*ssy to dare read Ace again after that article

Posted by: Curtis LeMay at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (kFxpe)

Indeed. I shall not befoul my own noble mind again by reading such a sordid screed.

Posted by: William Thaddeus Quick at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (pspwS)

527 192k, people, 192k

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (k8xvx)

528
468
Just for the record. Does anyone have the right when they call up this
hypothetical Cab Company to say "I do not want a muslim Driver"?

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain

You'd never get a cab ... I see people show up at sensitive facilities all the time in cabs driven by Al-Shabab.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (ztOda)

529 And we still have 4 hours to go before the 24 hour mark.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (k8xvx)

530 Epicly so.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (JtwS4)

----

Throw the luddite a linky....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (NaV4z)

531 502 Bravo Mr. Ace... Bravo...

[stands... slow claps]
Posted by: phreshone at April 02, 2015 02:08 PM (kFxpe)

Just finished it.

Bravo (applasue)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (2Aj5D)

532 This is an important argument.

For me, the older I get the more I agree with Moo Moo. People are awfully fucking stupid.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2015 01:55 PM (9ZZd+)

I think it's more that most people are average and don't want to be bothered. Heavy emphasis on that last bit. Which is why the emotivism of the left has taken such hold on the popular culture. If I'm lazy and don't want to be bothered then the easiest opinion to have on any subject is to go with the feels. That's the quickest way to get back to FarmVille and Words with Friends.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (KkVB6)

533 Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (0LHZx)

You know moo moo, piece worker and financial consultant, your disrespect turning Holy Week is not going over too well.

Why don't you shut the FUCK and go back to counting all your money, that you think you have.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (0FSuD)

534 Iran will not be able to create a nuclear weapon, and the assurances of the Iranian delegation allow me to make this very important point. Let me restate the obvious, Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. I repeat myself, Iran will never gain access or produce a nuclear weapon.

Posted by: John F'n Kerry at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (P330y)

Because we're going to give them the keys to Mecca, and they'll change their name to The Caliphate, before we leave our bunkers and they get nukes.

Posted by: Jean Kerry at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (cL79m)

535 What governor and the state of Indiana should have said was, "The law is perfectly valid and functions exactly as intended. It will remain...."

Correct. That is the only response to bullying. State that things are not changing, then walk away and get back to work. They can't do anything unless you let them. Even when the inevitable State Department Civil Rights probe happens, stonewall, play legal games, and ignore the publicity. Do what you have to do and damn the torpedos.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (39g3+)

536 Little Barry Soetoro has cut a nuclear deal with the Iranians???

They have agreed to drop no more than six bombs on us per year. Peace.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (W5DcG)

537 We finally really did it. You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Posted by: Charelton Heston at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (kFxpe)

538 Look at me I dropped my pants and am wearing a dress

Posted by: Mr. Froo Froo at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (2Aj5D)

539
@520 DINGDINGDING
Yep, state religion kills faith in the state religion. Not surprising.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (k8xvx)

540 There's no such thing as a blogger that doesn't check their site numbers.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Wrong.

I have never checked my site numbers. In fact, I disabled the counters -- I have no way to check the numbers, even if I wanted to.

Not interested. Never have been.

Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (K4YiS)

541 If there was just one hotel in town, and the owner refused to do business with blacks (or hispanics or Muslims or whatever), then that would seriously inconvenience the excluded persons, and would arguably be unfair.

And?

Actually, the public accommodation laws *might* have been necessary because of the fact that Government had been supporting/imposing such discrimination.

Now, the Government does not (well, not that exact kind). So such laws are not only unnecessary, they are explicitly anti-liberty.

Seriously- does anyone have a problem with the fact that the Girl Scouts won't let boys join? That the Black Panthers won't let Whites join?

If someone chooses to be a bigot, they should be free to so choose.

You have no Right to what someone else must produce or provide.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (kff5f)

542 I doubt this will get through, but Ace you did EXACTLY what you criticized Bill for doing. You put words in his mouth and railed against them for a loong, long time. Bill did not advocate for "Conformity in all things, in all spheres." That is you making up something that you think he said and then going on at length about it. He never said that. His position does not advocate for that. You quite simply invented that argument.

Bill's position is simple. If you are a business serving the public, you do not have the right to tell someone you won't serve them because they are ___. That blank can be black, gay, a woman, whatever - it's all equally abhorrent and equally bigoted. This is not about some huge over-arcing "conformity is all things" issue. It's not about some grey-ifying corporate culture. It's about people claiming they have a right to discriminate against members of the public, in the public sphere, because they don't like what they are. Refusing service because of what someone *does* is acceptable. Refusing service in the public commons because of what someone *is* should never, ever be acceptable.

My $0.02. And, thankfully, the $.02 of more and more and more of the country. Fighting this, with such vitriol? You will drive people away in the coming elections. This is the wrong side of the fight to be on, both morally and politically.

Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (iGh5L)

543 And if you think people are unable to make nuanced arguments, just try discussing something they really care about like say Star Wars, classic muscle cars, the Mets, the housing market, super-models, etc. etc. If you think Americans are solely defined by the relatively small percentage of people who are on Twitter and follow Jon Stewart, you should get out more.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (wqVD1)

____________

So you define intelligence by how well a muscle car guy can remember how much horsepower a car has vs. how much horsepower another car has? Using that criteria the smartest dudes around are high school dropouts who live in their mom's basement but drive a totally bitchin' '72 'Cuda.

Same with super models. Not much intelligence required to think mmm I'd love to fuck Kate Upton. On the other hand, understanding the nuances in monetary policy vs fiscal policy...a little more brain horsepower required.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (0LHZx)

544 like an alcoholic fights his lust for drink.
+
I can buy alcohol in one county but the next county over -- get this! -- it's illegal to sell booze.

Indiana will help with Towers O Vodka next to the Seafood cooler.

Posted by: DaveA at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (DL2i+)

545 529
And we still have 4 hours to go before the 24 hour mark.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (k8xvx)

Is it working again, mine is frozen

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (0FSuD)

546 Salon tweets out that the owners of the pizza place are getting exactly what they deserve.

So far, it appears they deserve north of $190k.

Suck it, Salon.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (g1DWB)

547 "Just wait until the day driverless cars become mandatory"

With governors. On federal highways.

Trucks, too.

Might be time to buy a Harley!

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (a99xE)

548 Epic.
Yet another reason why I keep returning to this award-winning smart military blog.
Can't wait for those purdah babes at Offal an' FGM restaurants in a shopping mall near me!
Fuck yeah!
As that famous little girl fucker Mao said: let a thousand flowers blossom. Let a thousand schools of thought contend!
Fuck yeah! (Ladies, sorry about your clitorises.)

Posted by: Democrat Razor Boy at April 02, 2015 02:14 PM (mVY1M)

549 Once there was a great nation "founded by pilgrims who decided to leave their own country which didn’t encourage freedom of religion. They migrated to an uncivilized land inhabited only by savages. The rock where they landed was to become a national shrine.

They drove off the natives, built rude shelters and houses of worship, setting aside a special day to give thanks.

These pilgrims believed in their God and they also believed in work. They established schools that in a way became the first public, free education in the world.

Other colonists came and established other communities. And some of the noblest words ever written began to surface. Facades of our modern buildings bear some of them, ‘liberty,’ ‘justice,’ ‘freedom of worship.’

Then an older nation sent tax agents to exploit the colonists. The colonists sent their greatest men as representatives to a general assembly, choosing a gentleman farmer as their leader. He united them and won the war against the ‘old world.’ That farmer is known as the ‘father of his country.’ Today a famous U.S. city is named after him.

Ultimately, a civil war divided the fledgling country. Its leader who tried to keep the Republic united was assassinated. His murder has been immortalized by one of the greatest playwrights of all time. After the wounds of the bloody civil war healed, the nation became a world power.

Next the citizens began to think of security paid for by tax money. Farmers petitioned for price supports. The government bought up crops and stored them in warehouses. Industrialists were next to ask for tax benefits. The middle class declined under the added tax burden. Crime became so commonplace it was dangerous to walk the streets at night.

A crippled man led the nation into a war and foreign entanglements. [part one]

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 02, 2015 02:14 PM (xQX/f)

550 A general who had been victimized by government pleaded with the nation to return to the principles of the founding fathers. He died bitterly thinking his anguished thoughts. An honest senator dared to speak out for a halt to foreign aid and foreign subversion. He was branded a reactionary.

The nation fell deeper into debt. It joined a league of the world. Increased taxes to send wheat to its enemies, devalued its currency, substituting base materials for silver in its coins."

That nation's name? Ancient Rome. I skipped a couple of lines to tell you that, lines that are facts of history. Mr. Rekstad had summed up that the nation Rome was totally corrupt, its middle class dead. The barbarians moved in and destroyed civilization.

The parallel to our own history is almost eerie, so much so one wonders if we can avoid those last couple of sentences. The rock where those first Romans landed is called the pilgrim’s rock foundation of the Temple of Jupiter. The gentleman farmer was Cincinnatus; the assassinated leader Julius Caesar; the crippled leader Caligula; the general Mark Anthony and the honest Senator Cicero. Shakespeare of course the playwright who immortalized the death of Caesar.

How will we finish our story the story of another great nation?

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 02, 2015 02:14 PM (xQX/f)

551 496
Ace is obviously NOT a Spartan. Spartans would have left it at "Yes".

I wonder how this Bill Quick person will react to these bigots?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mn5cfx9

H/T to Iowahawk for finding them.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at April 02, 2015 02:07 PM (1hM1d)

Spartans Weapons were spears and swords.... they would stab you multiple times to ... get their point across...

Ace's weapons, are words....

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (qh617)

552
Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?

science has not proved it is anything but a choice.

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (lKyWE)

553
You know Bill Quick is too much of a p*ssy to dare read Ace again after that article

He'll come here and look at it because of the Ace-o-lanche. There's no such thing as a blogger that doesn't check their site numbers.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
..............................
*reaches for the pill bottle and quart of vodka*

Posted by: Bill Quick at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (wAQA5)

554 Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (iGh5L)

Wait...I need to make popcorn....

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (v0/PR)

555 OK $195K 6800 donors. I guess Drudge push froze it up.

The MSM will not be able to ignore the homophobic hate donors, that will be the story, watch.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (0FSuD)

556 If you are a business serving the public, you do not have the right to tell someone you won't serve them because they are ___.

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO WHAT SOMEONE ELSE MUST PRODUCE OR PROVIDE.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (kff5f)

557 492 311
285 Can Bill, or anyone at all, identify a Muslim business that has been
singled out by the left for harassment/boycotting/character
assassination?

tap, tap, tap.....

For that matter any business or charity organization other than Christian ones?

tap, tap, tap.....

Posted by: West at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (1Rgee)

Folks are tweeting names of Muslim owned businesses to that nice reporter to see if she will ask them the same things.
===========
The only problem there is moslums are allowed to lie to non-moslums.

Christians are not allowed to lie to anyone.

So, the next story will be "even the moslum bakery said they'd cater the homo ceremony."

Yeah, the tenth one the "journalists" try will be smart enough to lie.

Posted by: West at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (1Rgee)

558
@545
Nip, still going. The reading on GoFundMe is now at 194,538

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (k8xvx)

559 I wonder what vig Obama and Kerry are getting for lifting the sanctions???

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (kFxpe)

560 No matter how many stories and examples there are of people who claim homosexuality then change later in life, there will always be those who insist, insist that it cannot be changed and is totally not a choice, dude. Until the cultural commissars say differently, then Eastasia has always been at war with Eurasia.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (39g3+)

561
Don't worry, as President I shall enforce diversity to ensure you are all equal.

Very, Very Equal.

Posted by: President Prolapse at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (j1tga)

562 Dana Loesch:

"I haven't heard this many people scream about cake and pizza since a toddler's birthday party."

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (MMC8r)

563 Bill Quick is also unable to tack either left or right, and so gets squished.

Posted by: Mr. Lurky Lurkington, Esq.

Like grape!

Posted by: Kesuke Miyagi at April 02, 2015 02:16 PM (JBzwC)

564 I've been busy, but it seems Fredo folded 100% on Iran.

They keep all their NEW centrafuges

They ship out NOTHING

They let inspections happen maybe sometimes depending

They talk about their past military nuke stuff like never

ALL Sanctions lifted

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:16 PM (rDqRv)

565 Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (0LHZx)

----

Hey.... Dickcheese.

Try throwing a little of that tolerance you preach for people who look different than you ....for people who think differently than you.

Asshole.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 02:16 PM (NaV4z)

566 >>>I doubt this will get through, but Ace you did EXACTLY what you criticized Bill for doing.

i know. Fire, meet fire.

The rest of what you say is just nonsense, just your claim that your Fake Libertarianism gives you the Crusaders' Obligation to stamp out disorder and thoughtcrime wherever you encounter it

You sound like an idiot, but Flame On with your dumb

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:16 PM (PA7DS)

567 EXCELLENT post, Ace.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 02, 2015 02:16 PM (/Ho8c)

568 Throw the luddite a linky....

https://twitter.com/alexthechick

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 02, 2015 02:16 PM (JtwS4)

569 Damn, I have missed this place.

Posted by: DaveKinNC at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (/NgNT)

570 "I doubt this will get through"
----
I love it that the intolerant person assumes the same level of intolerance on the other side. I'm sure if YOU were running a blog you'd censor contrary opinions, but that's not how everyone else rolls.
----
"you do not have the right to tell someone you won't serve them because they are __"
---
Not exactly what the RFRA in Indiana permits, but hey, whatever, libertarian means freedom of association so long as you put aside all of yuor deeply held convictions.
---
"You will drive people away in the coming elections. This is the wrong side of the fight to be on, both morally and politically."
---
Yawn.

Posted by: Paul at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (P1jJI)

571
It's about people claiming they have a right to discriminate against members of the public, in the public sphere, because they don't like what they are. Refusing service because of what someone *does* is acceptable. Refusing service in the public commons because of what someone *is* should never, ever be acceptable.

--

Absolutely wrong. I can refuse service to someone just because I don't like the color of their shirt.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (dquK7)

572 $197K!!! $250K before evening news guaranteed

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (0FSuD)

573 ...aaand here come the twits defending Quick without even reading what Ace said or understanding it. Like clockwork.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (39g3+)

574 You know moo moo, piece worker and financial consultant, your disrespect turning Holy Week is not going over too well.

Why don't you shut the FUCK and go back to counting all your money, that you think you have.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:12 PM (0FSuD)

__________

Holy Week? I'm asking because I don't know what that is. Week before easter? I didn't know it had a name.

That aside, you think gays choose to be gay? So that means you chose to be straight. When did you make that decision exactly. Did you have to think about it a lot?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (0LHZx)

575 AtC's pissed.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (MMC8r)

576 >>So you define intelligence by how well a muscle car guy can remember how much horsepower a car has vs. how much horsepower another car has?

You should really stop talking for a while and ponder the difference between intelligence and education. Or don't and give everyone a stark example.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (g1DWB)

577 Can you still post "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or has that too be outlawed?

I hope not, it's like so unfair.

Posted by: J. Spicoli at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (YXmuI)

578 So you define intelligence by how well a muscle car guy can remember how much horsepower a car has vs. how much horsepower another car has? Using that criteria the smartest dudes around are high school dropouts who live in their mom's basement but drive a totally bitchin' '72 'Cuda.
Same with super models. Not much intelligence required to think mmm I'd love to fuck Kate Upton. On the other hand, understanding the nuances in monetary policy vs fiscal policy...a little more brain horsepower required.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (0LHZx)

Do you actually know and interact with any 'non-elite' people?

Or is this all based on the high-resolution StrawMan Level II simulation of them running in your head?

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (wqVD1)

579 You'd never get a cab ... I see people show up at sensitive facilities all the time in cabs driven by Al-Shabab.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (ztOda)

Are the meters running while they drive you to the execution site? Do you have to pay first?

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (GoyxN)

580
btw, wasn't the whole point of the RFRA to prevent the types of attacks from the leftist fascists that the pizzeria is now facing?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (ODxAs)

581 well Ace, here I was all ready for a pasquinade and I got a rodomontade.

Posted by: docweasel at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (0r/VP)

582 malren

Have you read the Memories Pizza news? They have NO PROBLEM serving gays pizza and have SAID so.

Their problem would be serving something gays DO, i.e. getting "married." They don't want to serve that.

Comprende?

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (a99xE)

583 The "99 Percent" join megacorporations like Apple to crush a small pizzeria. "We are.. clap,clap.. the 99 percent! Uptwinkles!"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (GrXXa)

584 This is why we are screwed. If the owner of the cab company made it clear that you will pick up the fare. If it violates your beliefs than I am not hiring you. He would then be hauled into court and the mob would shut his company down.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (mv76s)

585
@548
Really? That's really what you got out of this post? Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:19 PM (k8xvx)

586
you can not force an individual to participate in your wedding

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:19 PM (lKyWE)

587 "You will drive people away in the coming elections. This is the wrong side of the fight to be on, both morally and politically.

Still waiting on my GOTV phone call from the GOP for Cuchinelli, I know they have the number.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 02:19 PM (ztOda)

588 Is this an attack?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (0FSuD)

Maybe it's simply been overwhelmed by the volume of traffic wishing to fund Memories Pizza?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2015 02:19 PM (eenKj)

589 science has not proved it is anything but a choice.
Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:15 PM (lKyWE)

_______

So you think gays wake up one day and think....you know what, this whole being straight thing sucks. I think I'll turn gay, since life is a lot easier being part of a 2-5% minority than a 95-98% majority. And even though I was born straight and I love fucking women, the idea of fucking guys up the ass really intrigues me. What the hell, let's see how that plays out.

Yeah...that makes much more sense than being born that way.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:19 PM (0LHZx)

590
Dana Loesch:

"I haven't heard this many people scream about cake and pizza since a toddler's birthday party."
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower
....................................
Classic.

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2015 02:19 PM (wAQA5)

591 Using that criteria the smartest dudes around are high school dropouts

Erm, criterion.

Posted by: pep at April 02, 2015 02:20 PM (YXmuI)

592 President Obama was really faced with an impossible choice regarding Iran. There was no way he could send an army after nearly 20 years of constant rhetoric and trimming the forces back as president. He couldn't really stop them from getting nukes, largely due to a frustrating lack of activity under the Bush administration in the second term. And he was working hard to block Israel from doing anything at all about it.

The problem is, he made a bad situation worse, because in the name of "compromise" he's giving Iran more than they already had and getting zero in return. But I guarantee he's going to wave around the equivalent of a signed agreement with Chancellor Hitler that will bring us peace in our times.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:20 PM (39g3+)

593 ***"Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?***

I'm an agnostic, you pinhead. The difference between us is that I'm not a religious bigot who takes sexual pleasure in disrespecting Christians. Wipe off your monitor and read for comprehension.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 02:20 PM (xSCb6)

594 That aside, you think gays choose to be gay? So that means you chose to be straight. When did you make that decision exactly. Did you have to think about it a lot?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

i think that you choose to run and hide you gutless prick.

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 02:20 PM (Spluw)

595 I guess Moo Moo plumbing work is over for the day and he got no Easter tips so he's pissed.

As you would say anyone that does know this is Holy Week is a fcuking idiot or a Mohammedan.

That's it Moo Moo is the Mohammenden photographer

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:20 PM (0FSuD)

596 I'm just not going to accept advice from a guy who lives in a van down by the river.

Also $197,589

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (rwI+c)

597 Moo, surely a Wile E. Super Genius like yourself knows about the twin studies?

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (a99xE)

598
btw, wasn't the whole point of the RFRA to prevent the types of attacks from the leftist fascists that the pizzeria is now facing?

--

Yes, which is exactly why they are trying to shut them down, and the pantywaist republicans are happy to oblige.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (dquK7)

599 So you think gays wake up one day and think....you know what, this whole being straight thing sucks. I think I'll turn gay

There is incontrovertible proof and scores of examples proving that yes, some do. No one even questions this but you, sir. Why you cling to this myth is puzzling to me, except maybe because to say otherwise erodes other positions you've built your worldview on like a house of cards.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (39g3+)

600 *peeks in*

Happy Easter weekend, all.

*leaves*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (FsuaD)

601
Also, feel free to call the SJW's "social justice worriers".

You're welcome.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (1hM1d)

602 Moo, it's a mixture of things.

Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (a99xE)

603
a cab driver would be in violation of the ADA if he refuses to allow a guide dog or assistance dog in the cab

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (lKyWE)

604 btw, wasn't the whole point of the RFRA to prevent the types of attacks
from the leftist fascists that the pizzeria is now facing?

It's to keep the fascists from using the government to wage the attacks.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (/kI1Q)

605
@578
Only Strawmen, Maet. Only Strawmen. I can guarantee you that I'd rather have Joe the auto-mechanic who doesn't give two hoots in hell about politics or national fiscal policy replace the sparkplugs on my car than a sooper smart business consultant.
Would rather have Mary the doctor who doesn't give two hoots in hell about politics take care of my grandparents than a sooper smart political wonk business consultant.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:22 PM (k8xvx)

606 Do you actually know and interact with any 'non-elite' people?

Or is this all based on the high-resolution StrawMan Level II simulation of them running in your head?
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (wqVD1)

________

Heh. Well no I guess I don't interact with 'non-elite' people all that much. I do actually know a guy who drives a pretty cool looking classic muscle car (I have no idea what it is, I just said '72 'Cuda it could be a '68 Camaro for all I know) and he does live with his parents in their basement.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:22 PM (0LHZx)

607 businesses don't serve the public, they serve markets... smart businesses have limited resources and only target market niches and customers that they can properly serve ... if a business does not adequately fulfill your niche, then you go to one who better fits with your needs, desires and wants...

Posted by: Don Draper at April 02, 2015 02:22 PM (kFxpe)

608 AtC's pissed.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower

Hopefully not at us. We're bothered by coercion by mobs and the state.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 02, 2015 02:22 PM (Spluw)

609 $198K Bet on time it goes to $200K I say in two minutes 2:25

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:22 PM (0FSuD)

610 The $200,000 mark will soon fall.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:22 PM (n9kSQ)

611 Wheeeee~!

@BreakingNews 2m

Kenyan disaster agency says attack on college campus has ended with 147 confirmed fatalities - @NDOCKenya http://www.breakingnews.com/t/BHCa

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (JBzwC)

612 Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (0LHZx)

That's what the fudge-packers themselves say, when it suits their agenda, Moo. You, of all people, should know that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (eenKj)

613 You know what Moo? I DON'T CARE.

I care not one wit for what a person's sexual orientation is or even how they arrived at that point. What I do care about is having to CONFORM to whatever the lefty herd has set upon as the outrage of the day regardless of empirical evidence. Gays, minorities, and women ARE NOT OPPRESSED in this country. There, I said it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (659DL)

614 Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:09 PM (0LHZx)

Maybe you should take that question up with Sally Kohn.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (8hctH)

615 Worried about conformity and the loss of freedom? Just wait until the day driverless cars become mandatory.
Posted by: mrp at April 02, 2015 02:11 PM (JBggj)

-------------------------------------------

That'll never happen. No siree. Not in America.

Posted by: Quick Trip Store at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (/HX7u)

616 We're either for Freedom or we're for Facism. Forcing people to spend their hard earned money to serve people in a capacity that violates their beliefs - that is facism. Choosing to spend your money at a different business because you don't like their stance - that is Freedom. I vote for Freedom. Let business owners choose their customers and let customers choose where to spend their money! Easy peasy!

Posted by: Stacy M at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (jJMNa)

617 thank you for all the kind words

the essay is a mess and a half but as you can see it was a bit of a White Heat sort of effort

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (PA7DS)

618 I see Moo Moo's familiarity with human nature is strictly theoretical.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (MMC8r)

619 There is incontrovertible proof and scores of examples proving that yes, some do. No one even questions this but you, sir. Why you cling to this myth is puzzling to me, except maybe because to say otherwise erodes other positions you've built your worldview on like a house of cards.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (39g3+)

________

Your "proof" is bullshit. What actually happens is people wake up one day and think, fuck it, I'm not living a lie anymore. But people like you look at that as someone "choosing" to be gay.

And I ask again, if gay people choose to be gay, then surely you can remember the day you chose to be straight. When was that?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:24 PM (0LHZx)

620 There is incontrovertible proof and scores of examples proving that yes, some do.

Also proof and examples going the other way, but foo foo and the pink slime will tell them to their faces that they don't really exist.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 02:24 PM (/kI1Q)

621
@542
Bill's position is simple. If you are a business serving the public, you do not have the right to tell someone you won't serve them because they are ___. That blank can be black, gay, a woman, whatever - it's all equally abhorrent and equally bigoted.
===============
Malren, you're being stupid. You've bought into the con that the left is trying to push, and you're apparently too dumb to see it, so let me try to explain it to you.
This case isn't at all analogous to deny a black/woman whatever service.
No one is refusing to sell gays pizza merely because of their same sex attractions.
What businesses are saying is that they cannot be coerced into participating in a ceremony that violates their conscience.
It has nothing to do with discrimination as regards to offering products/services (that the business offers) to a certain class of people.
Does that help?

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 02, 2015 02:24 PM (xkSSa)

622 the essay is a mess and a half
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (PA7DS)

----

Make
More
Messes

Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2015 02:24 PM (NaV4z)

623 Well shit missed that one two more minutes $199K now

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:24 PM (0FSuD)

624 Ace, you're an idiot.

But, you're 100% OUR idiot.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 02, 2015 02:24 PM (659DL)

625 btw, wasn't the whole point of the RFRA to prevent the types of attacks from the leftist fascists that the pizzeria is now facing?

No, it was to prevent lawfare attacks and government interference. Free market pressure by activists is another issue entirely.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (39g3+)

626 Usually, I just come here for the comments, but there are too many of them too, lol!

This post, it's all full of words!!!

Posted by: runningrn at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (sUP4M)

627 thank you for all the kind words the essay is a mess and a half but as you can see it was a bit of a White Heat sort of effort
Posted by: ace

It and you rock.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (Spluw)

628 the essay is a mess and a half but as you can see it was a bit of a White Heat sort of effort

Damn. I had $10 on "crie de coeur".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (JtwS4)

629 The World is why I take refuge in gingers with big boobs

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/583696748629078016

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (GrXXa)

630 Moo Moo, have you told your parents yet?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (MMC8r)

631
Re AtC, I suspect we will all get flogged when she returns to the blog. *shudders*

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (k8xvx)

632
so moo moo do you believe christians in muslim countries which are a small persecuted minorty are born christians and have no choiuce in the matter?

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (lKyWE)

633 Heh. Well no I guess I don't interact with 'non-elite' people all that much. I do actually know a guy who drives a pretty cool looking classic muscle car (I have no idea what it is, I just said '72 'Cuda it could be a '68 Camaro for all I know) and he does live with his parents in their basement.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:22 PM (0LHZx)

So a mental model plus a sample size of one. Got it.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (wqVD1)

634 >>There is incontrovertible proof and scores of examples proving that yes, some do.

rolling eyes

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (PA7DS)

635 The left has the Cannons, Crosses and Come Take It Party also known as the CCC, on the run.

Posted by: Anthropology Guy at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (Ysfkr)

636 Today's LIV History Lesson:

The Pilgrims were dropped off on Plymouth Rock by Christopher Columbus's 3 ships: El Nino, Ford Pinto and the Ave Maria.

The Pilgrims came to this land because the Queen of Europe said their religion was bad. They met a friendly Indian named Pocahontas who showed them how to plant corn and how to plant fish near the corn.

The Pilgrims dug up the fish and ate them with the corn. This was called Maze.

The Pilgrims and Pocahontas ate Thanksgiving dinner off of Plymouth Rock. They then made paper turkeys by tracing their hands on paper and coloring them in.

Later, President Ben Franklin declared Thanksgiving a National Holiday, but he didn't make people eat Maze because that sounds bad to eat.

The Plymouth motor car was named in their honor. The Pilgrims also invented the buckle.

This has been today's LIV History Lesson.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (7ObY1)

637 Can Bill, or anyone at all, identify a Muslim business that has been
singled out by the left for harassment/boycotting/character
assassination?

tap, tap, tap.....

For that matter any business or charity organization other than Christian ones?

tap, tap, tap.....

Posted by: West at April 02, 2015 01:42 PM (1Rgee)

Obvious answer: that's because Muslims are not racists, dud!

Posted by: Lefty lib in a cozy cocoon of groupthink at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (yRwC8)

638 Off sock

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (/HX7u)

639 As you would say anyone that does know this is Holy Week is a fcuking idiot or a Mohammedan.

That's it Moo Moo is the Mohammenden photographer
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:20 PM (0FSuD)

_______

LOL so now I'm a Muslim. OK. That's a new one.

I have new for you pal, people like me who have never been to church, don't know about shit like "Holy Week". Up until a couple of days ago I didn't even know Easter was this weekend. I only know about it, because my kid's art class is cancelled on Friday because it's Good Friday.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (0LHZx)

640 Oh, goody. The JEF is celebrating his agreement with Iran.

Victory lap in the Rose Garden.

*turns off TV*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (FsuaD)

641 Dang. I think Ace set a verbal record there.

Posted by: maddogg at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (xWW96)

642 Your "proof" is bullshit. What actually happens is people wake up one day and think, fuck it, I'm not living a lie anymore. But people like you look at that as someone "choosing" to be gay.

And there are those who thought they were homosexual that realized they were not one day. And scores of girls in college who "become lesbian" until they graduate. This is not open to question. It is absolute fact. That you refuse to admit you know this is very telling about your intellectual maturity and honesty.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (39g3+)

643 Free market pressure by activists is another issue entirely.

And despite what we're told by the pink slime, arson is not the free market.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (/kI1Q)

644 When was that?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:24 PM

----------

Easy. When I first saw Raquel Welch in a bikini.

Posted by: irright at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (pMGkg)

645 566
>>>I doubt this will get through, but Ace you did EXACTLY what you criticized Bill for doing.

i know. Fire, meet fire.

The rest of what you say is just nonsense, just your claim that your
Fake Libertarianism gives you the Crusaders' Obligation to stamp out
disorder and thoughtcrime wherever you encounter it

You sound like an idiot, but Flame On with your dumb
==========
Hmmmm.

Bill Quick show up as a sock?

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (ZvKdv)

646 The gay mafia has figured out that when you're only 3% of the population, boycotts don't work... they have to go straight to scorched earth tactics

Posted by: Adam Smith at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (kFxpe)

647 #625 By "free market pressure", I presume you exclude death threats.

Posted by: OCBill at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (YJvVE)

648 What a fucking liar

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (rDqRv)

649 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:19 PM (0LHZx)

Sooo... being gay is not a choice...

And even though being Gay does NOT help with survival of the species, and thus could very well engender a built in animosity to it (by evolution)... THOSE bigots must control their natural instincts...

But that is the Leftist way.... a Natural urge must be suppressed... unless its one we support.

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (qh617)

650 Govs and reps were shitting their pants about the money they were going to supposedly lose. Walmart started throwing their weight around in Arkansas.

Posted by: A dude in MI at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (Dth0i)

651 If a business wants to hire only whites, or only blacks, or only asians- what is that to you?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 02:00 PM (kff5f)

So my Catholic, liberal parents went cray cray about the RFRA and I asked a similar question.

The answer was: Discrimination is wrong and we won't abide things that are wrong.

My reply: Abortion's wrong too.

*crickets* Then an avalanche of how it's different.

I agreed that it's different. Discriminating hurts someone's feelings. Abortion kills.

*crickets again*

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (fwARV)

652 Wow, ace is reading the comments. I am swooning.

Posted by: Penfold at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (Fbt5B)

653 For at least one gay acquaintance of mine, his "orientation" is actually a matter of choice. He was married (the real marriage, not the fake kind the SJWs are trying to make innocent pizza joints cater to) with two kids. Then one day he decided to walk out on his wife and kids and took up with a male Filipino hairdresser.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (eytER)

654 Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 02:13 PM (iGh5L)

I wish I had a strawman concession.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (zF6Iw)

655 That aside, you think gays choose to be gay? So that
means you chose to be straight. When did you make that decision
exactly. Did you have to think about it a lot?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

There is no "gay", you have XX or XY chromosomes, period. Your race is encoded in your genes. Whatever your sexual proclivities are, they are either normal or a fetish. Either, between consenting adults, should be private. Choosing to parade your disgusting fetish in public to provoke reactions borders on mental illness.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (ztOda)

656 This asshole just makes shit up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (rDqRv)

657 You might address the essay. Who is Bill Quick? What did he say? Response. Sort of tune things in. It was well written though a little cryptic.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (n9kSQ)

658 SH**t!. Historic President Wonder-boy is on the raido anouncing ah istoric, tough agreement. Or framwork. Or understanding maybe. Whatever it is I'm sure it will keep the Iranians from getting nukes because President Wonder-boy is so respected and feared by pour enemies.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (1BQGO)

659 why don't you just admit that if you ever had to admit that gays were born with at least a lot of gayness in them (which surely *influences* their "choice" to be gay), you would be required to extend to them some Christian empathy and mercy for being born with a burden, and you do not wish to extend them empathy and mercy, you want to yell at them and clap yourself on the back for having "chosen" to never suck a cock.

Incidentally, straight guys...? if you really had to "choose" to be straight, I have news for you: You're actually gay.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (PA7DS)

660
551

Spartans Weapons were spears and swords.... they would stab you multiple times to ... get their point across...

Ace's weapons, are words....

Well, yes. except for the times before the war got going. When the Persians showed up, they said "molon labe". When Philip II of Macedon sent them a note promising their utter destruction if he crossed into their country, the reply was "if".

Neither he nor his son Alexander bothered Sparta. Do not underestimate the power of word...backed by sharp, pointy things and the will to use them.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (1hM1d)

661 thank you for all the kind words

the essay is a mess and a half but as you can see it was a bit of a White Heat sort of effort

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (PA7DS)

As a blogger emeritus, I'll be the judge of that.

Not enough swearing, but seriously, Grade A stuff.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (cL79m)

662 Sexual orientation is genetic. You inherit it from your parents.

Science!

Posted by: SAM34zuy at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (TlCL6)

663 Ace you did very well here and sometimes passion and rage can fuel the creative fires as well as pain and sorrow. Excellent work, sir. Bill Quick is insignificant but as someone said above, his post was the "maguffin," the stimulus to say what you had to say so well. Thank you again.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (39g3+)

664 ...as you can see it was a bit of a White Heat sort of effort

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:23

Aww man, ...you were on fire... at least Mr Quick was hoping you were...

Posted by: Tex the lesser at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (eOpVe)

665

This is beautiful, and I'm not even done reading it yet.

All I can do is nod.

I may need a neck brace after just one post.
Or a drink!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (IXrOn)

666 thank you for all the kind words

the essay is a mess and a half but as you can see it was a bit of a White Heat sort of effort
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (PA7DS)

ace, this mess and a half of an essay means the world to me. Honestly, it does in ways that I don't think you or the rest of the Horde quite comprehend.

Thank you. Just. Thank you.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (mf5HN)

667 >>> Is that what the Sky Wizard says?

Undeserved snobbish indignation at the Jesusland people is no way to go through life, son.

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (yRwC8)

668 It's always nice when SoCons swear up and down that they don't hate gays, it's just religion freedom...then 5 posts later call them fags and/or fudge packers.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (0LHZx)

669 $200K, over 7.000 donors

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (0FSuD)

670 >>>Holy Week? I'm asking because I don't know what that is. Week before easter? I didn't know it had a name. -moo

No, you chose to be rude "SKY PILOT"

Maybe people are born with a gay tendencies people are also born with free will. Because if they weren't you probably would be in no condition to write or babble here

Posted by: Mr. Froo Froo at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (2Aj5D)

671 a cab driver would be in violation of the ADA if he refuses to allow a guide dog or assistance dog in the cab

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (lKyWE)

Not in St. Paul Minnesota or Dulles airport in DC. Religious freedom, you know.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (fwARV)

672 >>>There is no "gay", you have XX or XY chromosomes, period. Your race is encoded in your genes. Whatever your sexual proclivities are, they are either normal or a fetish. Either, between consenting adults, should be private. Choosing to parade your disgusting fetish in public to provoke reactions borders on mental illness.

this is idiotic. Look up "epigenetic." There are important genetic-LIKE factors that turn on some genes and suppress others in the bath of fluids in the embryo.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (PA7DS)

673

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (7ObY1)

You forgot the part about the really cute intelligent Raccoon that was Pokeyjokeus's friend...

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (qh617)

674 593
Sexual "orientation" wtf-ever that really is, may or may not be a choice, but sexual activity sure is. I don't think anyone anywhere ever claimed your "orientation" is a sin, it's the sex with the same sex that is the sin, and there's no way the left can claim that's not a "choice".

I"m actually a radical on all this. Outside of government jobs (like driving a bus or being a fireman, that sort of thing where they have a monopoly and there's nowhere else to go) I think you should be able to run your business any damn way you want. You should be allowed to refuse service to anyone. In the past my friends and I were refused service because we were long-haired and the owner didn't like our looks. I didn't whinge and cry and like the black activists and feminists and other ists do, we just went somewhere else. It didn't exactly endear me to the guy, but in the end, it's his business. He should be able to reserve the right to refuse to serve gays, blacks, cross-eyed people, women, vegetarians, in fact, anyone to whom he doesn't care to serve.

He should still be subject to boycotts or whatever by people who don't like his policies. But no law should force you to serve anyone. Any private club should be able to restrict membership. Any business should be able to hire anyone they want. Hell, I'm sorry, but I think you should be able to sell your property to anyone you want, and if you don't happen to like Wiccans or Finlanders you should be free to discriminate against them.

People in government jobs should not have this right, nor public utilities, nor companies granted some sort of civic monopoly, but a private entity, absolutely. The government never should have gotten into all this forcing people to assist in their social engineering.

Posted by: docweasel at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (0r/VP)

675 Fuck the Strawmen with a frozen pineapple sideways.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (n9kSQ)

676 Notice how min moo would rather talk about the nature and origins of gayness rather than admit that i exist and that he will NEVER take me on?

Posted by: Nation of Islam at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (Spluw)

677 582
Posted by: Feh at April 02, 2015 02:18 PM (a99xE)

Have you read the Memories Pizza news? They have NO PROBLEM serving gays pizza and have SAID so.

Their problem would be serving something gays DO, i.e. getting "married." They don't want to serve that.

Comprende?

I do. I understand what you mean and I even agree with the distinction. Serving in the store is one thing, and catering a private event celebrating something your religion expressly forbids is quite another. We agree on that.

Two things: Firstly, Ace advocated specifically for a business to be able to reject someone at the counter based solely on what they are (black, gay, female, it doesn't matter what the criteria is you are using). He was very, very clear about that. I find that idea legally abhorrent and morally reprehensible. Secondly, I objected to Ace calling Bill out on something and then doing it to him. I remember a few discussions around these parts about how we needed to be able to have civil disagreements on policy and positions. Making up straw men and name-calling isn't exactly helpful.

That only results is all of us yelling and talking past each other, infighting, and looking like idiots to the fence sitters that we need to win elections. I mean...unless you love the idea of another President Clinton. Then by all means, pick this hill on which to die. Trust me...I live wholly in both worlds as a conservative in the arts. I know how deep this passion runs and how big this issue can get. Choosing to fight this fight will result in massive failures for conservative/libertarian agendas.

Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (iGh5L)

678 200K !!!

*confetti*

Pizza party time!

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (yRwC8)

679 So you think gays wake up one day and think....you know what, this whole being straight thing sucks. I think I'll turn gay

There is incontrovertible proof and scores of examples proving that yes, some do. No one even questions this but you, sir. Why you cling to this myth is puzzling to me, except maybe because to say otherwise erodes other positions you've built your worldview on like a house of cards.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:21 PM (39g3+)

I know 2 male gay couples. One of the dudes in each couple used to be married to women and have kids. I would say something snapped along the lines there and they switched to gay. If they started out as truly gay I don't think they would have gotten as far as they did marrying women and having kids. But who knows, I'm fiercely, wickedly, and unapologetically straight.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (FMbng)

680 When I was pre-pubescent, I didn't have to choose to be hetero.

I had a Debbie Harry poster with Debbie's erect nipular region on my wall.

One look at that poster and I knew what I was.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (7ObY1)

681 $200,317

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (0RdKg)

682 Undeserved snobbish indignation at the Jesusland people is no way to go through life, son.
Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (yRwC

__________

I know plenty of religious people who don't hate someone because of their sexual orientation. I have no issues with them. I do have issues with people who use Jesus as an excuse to be bigoted assholes.

See the difference?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (0LHZx)

683 360
As an aside, is there such a thing as wedding pie? (I know what's gonna happen with that line).

But wouldn't that be great, a wedding with pie.

I like pie.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2015 01:51 PM (ODxAs)
---
Weirddave tried to talk me into a pie fight at our wedding.

Posted by: Gingy at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (WvS3w)

684 I'm so sick of this gay shit. Why are we letting the G-D damn liberals set the agenda and the discussion. Especially when Fredo is giving away the store in Iran.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (rDqRv)

685 Ace, you're an idiot.

I believe per page 64 par 3 of AoS styleguide
that should be...

Ace, your a idiot.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (xQX/f)

686 You forgot the part about the really cute intelligent Raccoon that was Pokeyjokeus's friend...

I feel a re-write comin' on!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (7ObY1)

687 I remember the day I realized I liked the wimens.
It was the day my brother put up his Farah Fawcett poster.
I didn't have to choose

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (mv76s)

688 "Sexuality is totally a choice."

-- people who don't seem to realize that this means they also could have "chosen" to be gay

I don't know about you other "Straight" men, but heterosexuality was never a "choice" in my case.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (PA7DS)

689 200K !!!

*confetti*

Pizza party time!

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (yRwC

Oh hell yeah.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (FMbng)

690 Make

More

Messes

Posted by: fixerupper

Hear, hear!

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (/Ho8c)

691 Ace, and Moo Moo: you know as well as everyone else that there are people who choose to 'experiment' with and have stated that they are homosexual for a time, then leave it behind. You know this is true; we all do. You likely know people who have done so.

Why on earth are you pretending otherwise? This is not even remotely in question. Some people specifically and absolutely choose to be "gay" for a time then abandon it.

The problem here is that it seems like when this comes up, the kneejerk unthinking reaction is "you hater, you think nobody is born that way and want to put them all in camps!!!1!1!!!!"

And that's not even close to what I'm saying. By definition if I say SOME people choose, that means logically and inevitably that MOST do not, do you not agree?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (39g3+)

692
>>>Holy Week? I'm asking because I don't know what that is. Week before easter? I didn't know it had a name. -moo yes it starts with palm sunday today is holy thursday tomorrow is good friday and it ends with easter sunday

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (lKyWE)

693 I do have issues with people who use Jesus as an excuse to be bigoted assholes. See the difference?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

You're forgetting someone

Posted by: Nation of Islam at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (Spluw)

694 When did Mr. Oink Oink come out of the closet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (n9kSQ)

695 Excellent essay.

Carry on.

Posted by: Joe Mama at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (IRiM9)

696 Moo Moo's moving into ad hominem. Let's watch the meltdown, shall we?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (MMC8r)

697
A soft answer turns away wrath
A soft answer turns away wrath
A soft answer turns away wrath
A soft answer turns away wrath
A soft answer turns away wrath

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (k8xvx)

698 >>Seriously- does anyone have a problem with the fact that the Girl Scouts won't let boys join?

Sadly, yes.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ girl-scouts-allow-7-year-old-boy-join-because-he-living-life-girl

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (cXQJ2)

699 655
That aside, you think gays choose to be gay? So that

means you chose to be straight. When did you make that decision

exactly. Did you have to think about it a lot?

Well moo moo. it's clear that being an idiot is gentic in your family. You prove it here everyday.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (0FSuD)

700 >>>hate gays, it's just religion freedom...then 5 posts later call them fags and/or fudge packers

Strawman.

Posted by: dogfish at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (1vYi0)

701 I feel a re-write comin' on!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (7ObY1)

You rang?

Posted by: ReWrite Service at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (cL79m)

702 >>>I know 2 male gay couples. One of the dudes in each couple used to be married to women and have kids. I would say something snapped along the lines there and they switched to gay. If they started out as truly gay I don't think they would have gotten as far as they did marrying women and having kids. But who knows, I'm fiercely, wickedly, and unapologetically straight.

of course they were always gay, but they were closeted nd forced themselves to marry women because it's what society demanded

Those of you still pushing htis 'pretend to be straight, homos" line are basically inflicting sexless, weird marriages on women where the dude goes out to the rest stop to get his cock sucked by a hustler and maybe brings home AIDS from time to time.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (PA7DS)

703
What the fuck are we, babies? Is this kindergarten, where everyone must be made to feel welcome, always?

We already know the answer to this.

Boy's 'military haircut' spurs suspension threat, outcry

http://usat.ly/19pw1dd

A young boy's high and tight haircut meant to honor his soldier-stepbrother earned him the threat of suspension from an elementary school named for a Medal of Honor recipient, and the fallout from the incident has led a Tennessee school district to increase security measures.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (IXrOn)

704 -- people who don't seem to realize that this means they also could have "chosen" to be gay

I don't know about you other "Straight" men, but heterosexuality was never a "choice" in my case.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (PA7DS)

_____________

Exactly.

None of the "it's a choice" people will ever tell me when they chose to be straight. Wonder why that is? Hmmm.....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)

705 It's always nice when SoCons swear up and down that they don't hate gays, it's just religion freedom...then 5 posts later call them fags and/or fudge packers.

Translation: one dude said this, and another dude said that, so it means the guy I disagree with is a horrible hypocrite!!!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (39g3+)

706 And just to stipulate, I am announcing right now that I will be donating to whoever opposes Mark Kirk (R) Indiana, in 2016

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (BZAd3)

707 $201,460

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (k8xvx)

708 681
$200,317

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (0RdKg)

I just that. PTL.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (yxw0r)

709 *saw*

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (yxw0r)

710 I do have issues with people who use Jesus as an excuse to be bigoted assholes. See the difference?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

I have issues with people who hate religious people telling religious people what their religion means.

See the difference?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (MMC8r)

711 If I call an engineer a geek or nerd, it doesn't mean I hate them. Logic, how does it work?

Posted by: dogfish at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (1vYi0)

712 Go baby go! $201K

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (0FSuD)

713 Moo Moo's moving into ad hominem. Let's watch the meltdown, shall we?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (MMC8r)

Popcorn! Get your fresh-buttered popcorn here!

Posted by: Popcorn vendor at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (cL79m)

714 Firstly, Ace advocated specifically for a business to be able to reject someone at the counter based solely on what they are (black, gay, female, it doesn't matter what the criteria is you are using).

Show me a quote, because I call bullshit.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (659DL)

715 696 Moo Moo's moving into ad hominem. Let's watch the meltdown, shall we?
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:31 PM (MMC8r)

Moving into? That's been his permanent residence since he shat his first comment here.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (2Ojst)

716 662 Sexual orientation is genetic. You inherit it from your parents.

Science!

Posted by: SAM34zuy at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (TlCL6)

I don't disagree, but it seems if this were 100% true, the entire "gay" gene would be flushed through humanity in a few generations. Granted, some swing both ways, but over 40,000 years of human evolution is a long way for such a gene to persist when all it wants to do is not replicate.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (t06LC)

717
What the fuck are we, babies? Is this kindergarten, where everyone must be made to feel welcome, always?

BRB

Eatin' my poptart into a gun shape...

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (MMC8r)

718 >>>Ace, and Moo Moo: you know as well as everyone else that there are people who choose to 'experiment' with and have stated that they are homosexual for a time, then leave it behind. You know this is true; we all do. You likely know people who have done so.

yes. I call these people "bisexual" or "gay."

I know of no straight men who have ever "experimented."

I do know of "Gay but straight acting closeted guys" who have sex with men on occasion while trying to fit in as straight.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (PA7DS)

719 ***"why don't you just admit that if you ever had to admit that gays were born with at least a lot of gayness in them"***

Do you have any proof, at all, that homosexuality is an inborn trait other than pleading that your reader just "admit" it in the absence of such proof?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (xSCb6)

720 >>I know plenty of religious people who don't hate someone because of their sexual orientation. I have no issues with them. I do have issues with people who use Jesus as an excuse to be bigoted assholes.

And this is why, educated though you may be, you are either dishonest or a dunce. You argue like a liberal and completely misrepresent other people's position to so you can burn their argument down.

That is the sign of dishonesty or stupidity. I have no idea which one you are and don't care.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (g1DWB)

721 If I call an engineer a geek or nerd, it doesn't mean I hate them. Logic, how does it work?

Posted by: dogfish

Oh, the words! They are killing me! Ow!

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (/Ho8c)

722 None of the "it's a choice" people will ever tell me when they chose to be straight. Wonder why that is? Hmmm.....
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)

Er, because that's the normal default setting for human sexuality.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (2Ojst)

723 Just for shits and giggles. Remember Anne Heche?

*heads to kitchen for more popcorn*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (FsuaD)

724 680
Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (7ObY1)

For me it was the discovery of my dads Playboy stash.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (sWgE+)

725 The reason they want the grayness of conformity is because otherwise they would have to admit maybe it isn't a good idea to invite into the country some of the "vibrant" minority groups.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (WVeiZ)

726 of course they were always gay, but they were closeted nd forced themselves to marry women because it's what society demanded
Posted by: ace

I missed that memo

Posted by: Zombie President Buchanan at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (Spluw)

727 AtC's pissed.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:17 PM (MMC8r)

I don't do Twitter. At what?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (zF6Iw)

728 A soft answer turns away wrath

Do not give answer to a fool according to his foolishness, lest you also be like him...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (39g3+)

729 I'm fiercely, wickedly, and unapologetically straight.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 02:29 PM (FMbng)

I could change that Big Guy

Posted by: Mr. Froo Froo at April 02, 2015 02:34 PM (2Aj5D)

730 So people who suck cock by choice are scientists now? Experiment.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:35 PM (n9kSQ)

731 None of the "it's a choice" people will ever tell me when they chose to be straight. Wonder why that is?

I'll tell you, because the frankfurter fits the donut. Naturally.

Posted by: dogfish at April 02, 2015 02:35 PM (1vYi0)

732 BRB

Eatin' my poptart into a gun shape...

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (MMC8r)

Meanwhile, I'll be here eating my gun into a poptart shape.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 02:35 PM (cL79m)

733 thank you for all the kind words
the essay is a mess and a half but as you can see it was a bit of a White Heat sort of effort

Bravo!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2015 02:35 PM (JCa6T)

734 Incidentally, straight guys...? if you really had to "choose" to be straight, I have news for you: You're actually gay.

----
Could be bisexual.

Posted by: Penfold at April 02, 2015 02:35 PM (Fbt5B)

735
Mr. Quick needs to read David Henderson's Joy of Freedom. (Thecrux ofit wasthe market has the right to discriminate and the government should stay out the market's way. ) Then he needs to go STFU.

Posted by: Wendy at April 02, 2015 02:35 PM (bpemY)

736 I know 2 male gay couples. One of the dudes in each couple used to be married to women and have kids. I would say something snapped along the lines there and they switched to gay. If they started out as truly gay I don't think they would have gotten as far as they did marrying women and having kids. But who knows, I'm fiercely, wickedly, and unapologetically straight.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:32 PM (PA7DS)

____________

Ace,

How old are these people? You have to keep in mind up until even 10 years ago, being openly gay meant a tough life for a lot of people, especially in the corporate world. Lots of men made the decision that living a like a lie as a straight man was easier than living openly gay.

And think of the pressure from society to get married and have kids. What's the cliche question for a single man in his 40s? Is he gay or something?

I predict you will see very few of these people who were married with kids who come out later in life. And it's because for the most part, people no longer have to live that lie anymore.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)

737 Only very distantly related---I promise!

Posted by: Jack B. Quick at April 02, 2015 02:35 PM (FkgZk)

738 Who be the richest pizza guy in IN?

$202K

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (0FSuD)

739 I don't do Twitter. At what?

She's feeling under fire from both sides.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (MMC8r)

740 Well, in my acquaintance's case, it was out of the blue. Stereotypical WASP family man. People who knew him longer than I were even more surprised.

Incidentally, he's held in extreme contempt by the more, shall we say, militant gays that I know. They call him the Human Torch: Flame On, Flame Off. They seem to think he's faking being gay...

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (eytER)

741 ***"Another dolt who thinks sexual orientation is a choice. Is that what the Sky Wizard says?***

Hey MOOMOO, if you're so smart, how do you keep missing this basic point: No one gives a shit about your orientation. People are born with a propensity all kinds of desires, sexual and otherwise. We hold you responsible for what you DO. And there is no need to invoke religion. It's easy to argue that it is better for the individual and society if people of all sexual desires (orientations/fetishes) to restrain themselves. Delay gratification. Reproduce. Usually a more satisfied and fulfilled life. Again, no sky wizard invoked.

Posted by: pashmr at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (3aNC4)

742 JEF says if iran cheats on this deal, the whole world will know it

Yes. I hope not by mushroom cloud over Israel

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

743 it's the sex with the same sex that is the sin

"Sin" is a theological concept. It is strictly a matter of your particular sect's interpretation of your chosen scripture, or your own version thereof.

The whole is it biological or is it a choice argument is specious. Those making either side of it are doing so only in furtherance of their own agenda. It doesn't matter. There are people who are gay. They are people first, and we hold that individuals are endowed with rights. Gays have faced historic discrimination.

Sexuality is the most personal and idiosynchratic aspect of our identities. I may lust only for ginger midgets or I may want to wrestle with big black guys, I may be open to anything or I may want only missionary style with my wife whom I married when we were both versions. In any case my sexuality is a large part of who I am.

So, since same sex attraction is obviously a large part of who many people are it makes sense to treat them like people, and that includes all normal people things like getting married. (Suckers!).

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (JtwS4)

744
I know of no straight men who have ever "experimented."

I do know of "Gay but straight acting closeted guys" who have sex with men on occasion while trying to fit in as straight.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (PA7DS)

I've seen some... documentaries... where otherwise strait women have "experimented." I'm not sure what happens between as I usually fast forward to the experimentation parts, but usually they can be turned by a well endowed man.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (t06LC)

745 Straight is normal. If you are a faggot something went wrong somewhere.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:37 PM (n9kSQ)

746 I do know of "Gay but straight acting closeted guys" who have sex with men on occasion while trying to fit in as straight.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (PA7DS)

There also however, seems to be a difference between Lesbians, and Gay Men.

With Gay Men... its one way or the other... Lesbians seem to be more.... inclusive?

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:37 PM (qh617)

747 And think of the pressure from society to get married and have kids. What's the cliche question for a single man in his 40s? Is he gay or something? I predict you will see very few of these people who were married with kids who come out later in life. And it's because for the most part, people no longer have to live that lie anymore.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

#can'tbreathemustwed

Posted by: Zombie President Buchanan at April 02, 2015 02:37 PM (Spluw)

748 yes. I call these people "bisexual" or "gay."

I know of no straight men who have ever "experimented."

You're choosing to create a separate category so that your assertion can be true. If someone says "I'm a lesbian!" and exclusively dates, sleeps with, and has affection toward other women while despising men... are they bisexual?

Then when they graduate and meet a great guy and abandon that life style, are they bisexual?

This happens. A lot. Its not invented, its not some mythical construct. Its a choice in these cases. Not often, not even a small minority. but it happens. Some people choose to be "gay." Its absolute fact.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:37 PM (39g3+)

749 A large part of me does think people are born gay. I mean face it, you're laying in bed, and a chick is straddling you, and you reach up and cup those nice boobehs and it does nothing for you???

Yeah, you're fucking gay.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 02:37 PM (FMbng)

750 Incidentally, straight guys...? if you really had to "choose" to be straight, I have news for you: You're actually gay.
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (PA7DS)

---------------------------------------

Oh, Ace. You're such a silly savage.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2015 02:37 PM (/HX7u)

751 "That only results is all of us yelling and talking past each other,
infighting, and looking like idiots to the fence sitters that we need to
win elections. I mean...unless you love the idea of another President
Clinton. Then by all means, pick this hill on which to die. Trust me...I
live wholly in both worlds as a conservative in the arts. I know how
deep this passion runs and how big this issue can get. Choosing to fight
this fight will result in massive failures for conservative/libertarian
agendas."

We have a majority in the House and just captured the Senate...for what?

I'm kneejerk anti-base and mostly avoid Drew posts, but I at least took notice when Ace said when he gave up on the party.

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 02, 2015 02:37 PM (EQcfE)

752 He just doens't shut the fuck up. And he can't help but take a shot at Netanyahu. What an arrogant fuck

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:38 PM (rDqRv)

753 As great as Ace's rant is on the topic is, the whole Indiana kerfluffle at its core is a dispute over what homosexuality is and what causes it, for purposes of legal protection. This is the main point on which this all turns, and it is purposefully ignored (because the LGBT supporters can't justify it) and it causes the debate to morph into other areas, like thought-crime, where people realize how far afield this has all become.

The Christians see homosexuality as an act, and a sinful one, which they do not want to facilitate or celebrate. "Loving the sinner, hating the sin", etc. For LGBT supporters, some consider it a state of being, others an act/choice, others a born trait, etc. and want it legally protected like a race or biological sex.

The problem is that "sexual orientation" is a class a LOT larger than just gays and lesbos. Further, the T in LGBT isn't technically covered under that - as I said before, the L, the G, the B, and the T are very, very different groups (with subgroups) that cannot be lumped together for any legal or scientific recognition. The fact that they are shows something is amiss.

The reality is that there is far more evidence that, with regard to homosexuality, its an ACT, and thus a choice, and not a born state of being. Bisexuals prove this. There are too many possible triggers or causes for the behavior that have f**k all to do with birth.

For decades and decades, homosexuality was also considered an act legally and scientifically, and was in fact a illegal criminal act. Then Lawrence v. Texas came round and legalized that act. Then, with great speed, the act became a lifestyle which became a culture which became a state of being, all to seek greater and greater protections under the blanket of sexual orientation.

But why was sexual oreintation protected? Is it immutible? What causes it? Where's the proof? How big is the class? Does that include other far more deviant classes? If it doesn't, then how are you discriminating against them? Did anyone consider this before passing protections for "sexual oreintation"? Are they going to repeal this when the first pedophile demands said protections and the first judge (with pics of little boys on his home PC) goes along with it ala a certain federal California judge?

A lot of this can be settled by determining what causes homosexuality in all cases. We know what makes race and biological sex, so we have solid legal foundations for protections for those groups. Since too many people can claim protection for sexual orientation, and then change said orientation later, its folly to protect it, and worse, folly to enforce it on others.

If it is an act (as I believe it is), well, that makes it a LOT easier to "discriminate" as Ace so suggests. Keeping it a legal act also prevents other deviant orientations like pedos from claiming that mantle for their own proclivities, as their act can still be segregated and criminalized.

Posted by: Saltyron at April 02, 2015 02:38 PM (i6shs)

754 My wife has a friend who was married to a guy for 7 years. When I met him, I told my wife, this guy is the gayest dude I've ever met. What the fuck? And she said, yeah I know. We all know. She's the only one that doesn't know.

Well she found out, when she walked in on him and another guy making out on their living room couch.

But to the "it's a choice" people, I guess he made a choice, huh?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:38 PM (0LHZx)

755
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (PA7DS)

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, so please don't read snark into this:

Longitudinal studies exist which demonstrate genetically identical twins end up with one gay and one straight sibling.

Genetically, there is no difference. In terms of upbringing, there is no difference.

What then, do you think accounts for this rather large difference?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 02, 2015 02:38 PM (fwARV)

756 JEF says if iran cheats on this deal, the whole world will know it

Yes. I hope not by mushroom cloud over Israel

Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

Considering the mushroom clouds will have "Made in the USA" stamped on them, the Persian mushroom cloud will be over New York and DC.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (cL79m)

757 Flash: the whole "shotgun wedding" thing applied to the days of Yore/ You're/ Your when somebody got somebody pregnant.

People have successfully not gotten married for centuries.

Posted by: Zombie President Buchanan at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (Spluw)

758
the fact is that gay marriage isn't even that big of a deal in the younger gay community its mostly a big thing with older gay couples who have been together for 20 years.most young gay men are to busy banging like a broken screen door in a wind storm to care.and i live in one of the gayest cities in america that isn't san fransisco and i probably know more gay people than most gay people in other parts of the country know

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (lKyWE)

759 617 thank you for all the kind words

the essay is a mess and a half but as you can see it was a bit of a White Heat sort of effort
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:23 PM (PA7DS)

Man, your post was cathartic. Seriously, not shitting you here. I've got three kids in the house right now (my two and watching a friend's that's on spring break) and I've wanted to scream at this crap for days and can't do it in front of the children. I really just want to be left the hell alone and this crap where I will be forced to care and forced to cheerlead or else I deserve to be run out of society is bullshit and these idiots pushing this crap need to be served a big cup of eat shit and die.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (KkVB6)

760
603
a cab driver would be in violation of the ADA if he refuses to allow a guide dog or assistance dog in the cab

Yes, and?

He gets charged, and hauled into court for violating the ADA. His defense? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

I like his odds, if he has a decent lawyer.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (1hM1d)

761 "I care not one wit for what a person's sexual orientation is or even how
they arrived at that point. What I do care about is having to CONFORM..."

Exactly. If you allow me to have my own opinions and thoughts, do what I will, harming none, what does it matter why gays are gay? It's only when conformity police assume the "right" to coerce me that all this hair-splitting, pseudo-science and sentimentality becomes somehow relevant.

I don't need to know for purposes of informing my decisions about who to associate with. I don't ask my gay friends and acquaintances "why are you gay?" They can ask me why I oppose gay marriage and I have a hundred reasons (just as they would have a hundred reasons for being gay). But it doesn't matter. In a free society you can't force people to be "rational" in your way of thinking unless they are harming others, and that harm is socially significant (not just giving someone a case of the "feels").

There's an element of lust for vindication in the social pogroms we engage in. Take it from a decades-long atheist in the very vindictive business of law - when you don't have faith, you seek to prove your tenets and test your reality by other means. Making others bow to your particular "sky gods" seems a popular delivery system for that drug. Ace strikes a chord with me when he says he's tempted to vindicate and validate himself as an alcoholic lusts for drink. I hate that feeling, but reassuring yourself by social cocooning and mob violence is a shitty substitute for church.

This kind of behavior is a pseudo-belief system no different from attending Mass. This is the way the secular Left prays.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (QKIQb)

762 About $500 a minute now. $203K. Will make $250K in 90 minutes.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (0FSuD)

763 Ace, epigentic - factors and genetic expression are a morass of bad experiments and poor literature. If these expression factors exist in the womb or later in life, then the researcher that finds them is going to be filthy rich.

To date, no one has.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (ztOda)

764 One of the gay guys I know remains disgusted at the scent of fish to this day because a high-school girl who had a crush on him convinced him to put his hand down her pants.

And I hear that story and I'm like, "WTF! I had to work hella hard for that stuff and she was begging you?"

So, I really don't understand the whole gay thing at all.

But then, this guy is referred to as "The Lord of the Rings" 'cause he likes married men. Even shacked up with one who later went back to his wife and kids.

So, that's just strange right there--both "born" gay and "choice" gay.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (ZvKdv)

765 really the hardcore socons are really consistent.

Catholics would label me a sinner every time the wife gives me a BJ. Unfortunately, I don't sin enough.

The presumption was, however, that as a strait couple, we would have sex to procreate (or only so) so therefore not a sin.
As gay couples do not have this option, all sex would therefore be for pleasure only and only sinful. Thus the stigma.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 02:40 PM (t06LC)

766 Moo Moo, have you been been doing those naughty things again? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Posted by: Sky Wizard at April 02, 2015 02:40 PM (8GKDa)

767 >>This happens. A lot. Its not invented, its not some mythical
construct. Its a choice in these cases. Not often, not even a small
minority. but it happens. Some people choose to be "gay." Its absolute fact.

"LUGs" = Lesbian Until Graduation

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lug

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 02:40 PM (cXQJ2)

768
I do have issues with people who use Jesus as an excuse to be bigoted assholes. See the difference?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
======================================
I do have issues with people who use whatever perverted urges happen to currently exist in their head as an excuse to turn it into a universal moral principle and behave like belligerent assholes to those who disagree and just wish to be left in peace.
See the problem?

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at April 02, 2015 02:40 PM (xkSSa)

769 139
I don't think Bill Quick is a leftest. He describes himself as a
libertarian and has a bugaboo about religion similar to Christopher
Hitchens or Richard Dawkins.

Posted by: boxty at April 02, 2015 01:28 PM (LYvWK)
You know what? I'm an agnostic libertarian leaner myself, and I couldn't agree with Ace more. I honestly don't give a shit about the issue of gay marriage in and of itself. I don't understand why the state has to be in the business of sanctioning relationships between adults. That said, the corollary right is to not have to be involved in it if it isn't your thing.Ace is 100% right though, this isn't about gays not being able to find someone to bake their cake or take their photos...this is all about cultural retribution. Some of them, out of bitterness, are going to seek out people who don't want to be involved and force them to be involved or lose their business. This is cultural lawfare, no more, no less.

Posted by: DanInMN at April 02, 2015 02:40 PM (XqeyF)

770 Peter Schiff went on a similar rant to Ace yesterday. Just gonna leave this right here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpshbslmLnE

Posted by: Rob Westbrook at April 02, 2015 02:40 PM (fKwTz)

771 >>>
And this is why, educated though you may be, you are either dishonest or a dunce. You argue like a liberal and completely misrepresent other people's position to so you can burn their argument down.

That is the sign of dishonesty or stupidity. I have no idea which one you are and don't care.

...

what's untrue here?

There is such a thing as anti-gay feeling. I can attest to that, as get this, I have it. I don't mind gays, exactly, but gay shit bothers me.

I would not be comfortable with a gay guy and his boyfriend, unless they were completely chilly towards each other. The moment I see one touch the other, I am bothered.

People are simply not willing to admit to any so-called "flaws" in themselves, and thus are forced into making ludicrous claims like "I have no problem, none at all, with gays! I just hate their fudge-packing lifestyle choices.'

To have a problem with gays on an emotional level is not a confession of the Worst Sin Ever (though society actually does deem it such at this particular retarded moment).

When people deny having ANY flaws or animus at all, they also neatly disobligate themselves from having to *restrain themselves* from exhibiting or indulging that animus.

Most people are a little racist, in the sense that we prefer our own and are all sort of bothered by other people's "culture." That is simply the human condition.

By admitting low-grade "flaws" like that, people can honestly address them and work on them.

I realized some time back that, honestly, I do sort of dislike gays, at least some. So I've tried to not gay-bait any more.

What I see is a lot of straight men who I know for a fact have a problem with gays swearing on a stack of bibles that they have NO PROBLEM at all, and then also adding, "And Jesus said we should have a problem with it," to offload their own emotional reactions and ideological choices and blame it on someone else.

"You can't hold this against me -- I'm acting Under Orders."

Please. For god's sake. I will SCREAM the next time I hear someone swear "i've got nothing against gays" and then posting a paragraph of dark, demeaning talk about how rotten and weird gays are.

A little bit of honesty and self-reflection is, let this atheist propose, a holy thing.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:40 PM (PA7DS)

772 So.

If gay is inborn, why wouldn't other sexual proclivities be?

The truth is that people engage is atypical behavior all the time. People are fucked up across the board. Why does one atypical behavior require an unalterable biological crutch but other atypical behaviors are considered to be the result of psychology?

I don't buy 'nature' over 'nurture,' largely because of my own maladjusted process in completely different areas. I'm aware of certain viewpoints driving other behaviors, in layers and layers, none of which require an innate mechanism of birth.

I see people as motivations, not machinery.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (MMC8r)

773 yes. I call these people "bisexual" or "gay."

I know of no straight men who have ever "experimented."

I do know of "Gay but straight acting closeted guys" who have sex with men on occasion while trying to fit in as straight.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (PA7DS)

It is rather well documented that men who are isolated in situations where there are no women (prisons, boarding schools, early Euro settlement of Australia) will often gay up, rather than go sexless.

I'd like to think I wouldn't, but I also don't ever intend to test it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (TOk1P)

774 @714 Umm...did you read Ace's post?

"But if that one kink could be worked out -- that I could use a cellphone
app to summon only cabs that would take me, and would not be punished
with discovering, in the rain, that a Muslim cabdriver was refusing to
take my fare after waiting 25 minutes -- yes, again, what do I care?"

And also:

"

I don't see why a store run by a pious conservative Muslim can't demand
that women be covered, if that's his bag, nor why a store run by a pious
conservative Catholic can't also insist that women cover their
shoulders, if that's his sense of what his business should be, of what should happen on property he owns.

Will there be hurt feelings when some are turned away?

Sure.

And who cares?"
Just think about this: Once you make it okay to reject someone "at the counter" for being say, a woman unaccompanied, or a gay couple...then you are flatly and plainly saying that discrimination is OK. And being that humans are what humans are, the next guy will push the line. He stops serving all women. Or black youths. Because it's now ok to reject services in the public commons based solely on what someone *is*, not what they *do*.

It's analogous to stuff we say about presidents who exceed their authority. When Bush made some unilateral decisions that we liked we were all "Well, I mean it needs to get done." But what about the next guy? And the one after him? and the one after him? Slippery slopes are real.
::cue gay sex jokes here, since morons are nothing if not consistent::

Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (iGh5L)

775
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, so please don't read snark into this:

Longitudinal studies exist which demonstrate genetically identical twins end up with one gay and one straight sibling.

Genetically, there is no difference. In terms of upbringing, there is no difference.

What then, do you think accounts for this rather large difference?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 02, 2015 02:38 PM (fwARV)

The difference is one of the twins loves the penis?

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (t06LC)

776 She's feeling under fire from both sides.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (MMC8r)

Ugh. I hope she doesn't think I'm "firing" at her. I'd never knowingly insult her.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (zF6Iw)

777 Speaking of cabbies, you all did hear about the Somalian cabbies that refused to take passengers at airport if they had liquor or dogs with them right?

http://tinyurl.com/ornzpwy

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (0FSuD)

778
If orientation were really immutable, it wouldn't be the case that there are many instances of identical twins with one gay, one straight.

How can you get more scientific than that? It's not an immutable genetic characteristic.

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (xkSSa)

779 In any case, the frustrating thing with modern debate is that one side wants to present facts, logic, and truth, and the other just wants their emotionally-charged beliefs to win, so they do whatever it takes.

Sophistry has always swayed the weak minded, uneducated, and uncaring. Its why daytime talk shows exist like Ellen, where the emotionally compelling one liner wins the debate no matter how idiotic it is.

And the truth takes time, effort, and learning to understand. Discernment takes experience and practice to hone and grow. Emotions come naturally. The psychologist idea of id/ego/superego is at best oversimplified trash, but its not entirely wrong, and the more unsophisticated a culture becomes, the more idward it slants. The left cultivates the id.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (39g3+)

780 You know, I'm still pissed that my local jewish deli doesn't serve ham.

Posted by: steve walsh at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (ApT95)

781 What, DNA test for gay genetic marker? We have what you are looking for.

Posted by: Maggie Sangr's Planned Parenthood at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (OXzvH)

782
Freedom is nothing more than the gap between what is illegal, and what is mandatory.

Posted by: D. McCoy at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (/EkKm)

783 worth repeating

That we should, in short, all have the Same Rules, and the Same Culture, with all Proud Nails pounded flat to the wood, so that there is no danger of snagging anyone's clothing or giving anyone a cut.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (IXrOn)

784
JEF says if iran cheats on this deal, the whole world will know it

Yes. I hope not by mushroom cloud over Israel
Posted by: ThunderB, have you packed your bag? at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

My first thought as well.

So, since I'm in a jolly mood, will Jerusalem or Tel Aviv go glowy first?

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (mf5HN)

785 I do have issues with people who use Jesus as an excuse to be bigoted assholes. See the difference?Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Notice how mini moo takes care to work in Jesus twice.

But Allah gets no love/hate. Almost as if mini moo was a gutless prick.

Posted by: Nation of islam at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (Spluw)

786 743 it's the sex with the same sex that is the sin

"Sin" is a theological concept. It is strictly a matter of your particular sect's interpretation of your chosen scripture, or your own version thereof.-Bandersnatch

Well, either you are free to practice your theological concept (1st ammnedment) or you are not.

I really don't care if you are gay, bi, straight, polygamous, polyamorous. If my religion says it is a "sin" and you can't be married in our church. You can't be married in our church or be forced to feed the group at their "reception"

I think most Christians are willing to get along, we hate the sin ,not the sinner. But, slapping us and hurtling death threats aint winning baby

Posted by: Mr. Froo Froo at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (2Aj5D)

787 the fact is that gay marriage isn't even that big of a deal in the younger gay community its mostly a big thing with older gay couples who have been together for 20 years.most young gay men are to busy banging like a broken screen door in a wind storm to care.and i live in one of the gayest cities in america that isn't san fransisco and i probably know more gay people than most gay people in other parts of the country know
Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:39 PM (lKyWE)

___________

1. Those young gays will one day be old gays

2. You could say the same about young straight people who are in no rush to get married until they......drum roll please.....get older. I can't think of anyone close to my age that I know well who didn't wait until at least 30 to get married and more and more people wait well into their 30s today.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (0LHZx)

788 >>Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at April 02, 2015 02:36 PM (JtwS4)

Thanks, and well said.
All of this activism/heated discussion enforces the idea that it's a monolithic group, and what's lost is that for the non-activists, this is just one facet of who they are.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 02:43 PM (cXQJ2)

789 My first thought as well. So, since I'm in a jolly mood, will Jerusalem or Tel Aviv go glowy first?

hello! Glad to 'see' you.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 02, 2015 02:43 PM (Spluw)

790 rapists were born that way

Posted by: Tex the lesser at April 02, 2015 02:43 PM (eOpVe)

791
742 JEF says if iran cheats on this deal, the whole world will know it

But he'll (and by extension, we'll) do nothing about it because "vote 'present'"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (95CzI)

792 This comment section is too long.
(lights up a smoke)
OK, carry on

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (TPjwz)

793

Blog Post of the Year

Give this guy a Nobel Peace Prize, because within these words we can truly find some Peace.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (IXrOn)

794 ***"I know of no straight men who have ever "experimented."***

As long as we're going anecdotal here - broaden your horizons. I know of straight guys who have in the past but no longer consider it. I know of women who say they used to be straight and then made the conscious choice to switch hit because Men Suck. I've known women who say they've tried switch hitting because Men Suck, but then they came back because women were worse.

Continuing anecdotally,almost any of the purely gay people I've known were abused, sexually abused, or sexualized at extremely young ages.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (xSCb6)

795 So, since I'm in a jolly mood, will Jerusalem or Tel Aviv go glowy first?

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (mf5HN)

Both. This is a dreadful, "historic" day.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (FsuaD)

796 Why did we start ANOTHER ghey thread?

Hasn't this been beaten worse that the horse in Godfather?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (0FSuD)

797 Off Froo Froo sock

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (2Aj5D)

798
You know, most of us who were opposed to Huckabee's line of schtick are the same ones who are opposed to the anti-RFRA nazis.

We don't want any governmental interference with our freedom, from either side of the aisle.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (dquK7)

799 778
If orientation were really immutable, it wouldn't be the case that there are many instances of identical twins with one gay, one straight.

How can you get more scientific than that? It's not an immutable genetic characteristic.
Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (xkSSa)

____________

Sometimes it's too easy.

http://www.worldpolicy.newschool.edu/wpi/globalrights/sexorient/twins.html

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)

800 Older women have an evolutionary need to build 'relationships' approaching menopause... between the death of males in wars, hunting and just adding breedable stock to the harem, it's a survival trait to bond with other ladies.

Posted by: Lioness at April 02, 2015 02:45 PM (kFxpe)

801 who is bill quick?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2015 02:45 PM (u8GsB)

802
I like his odds, if he has a decent lawyer.

i don't, there there is an army of abulence chasers out their making small fortunes using the ADA to sue

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:45 PM (lKyWE)

803 Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (iGh5L)

Yes. You're correct.

AND THAT'S OKAY.

The market will correct, people will stop patronizing the shops whose owners they disagree with.

What's the problem?

Why is government intervention the only possible solution you see to the problem defined as 'some people are dicks,'

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 02, 2015 02:45 PM (fwARV)

804 This has been today's LIV History Lesson.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 02, 2015 02:25 PM (7ObY1)

*Furiously rewrites history textbooks for Common Core compliance*

Posted by: Lefty Publishers at April 02, 2015 02:45 PM (yRwC8)

805 And we know that the science is settled. It is always settled.

Posted by: Al Gore at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (F2IAQ)

806 Longitudinal studies exist which demonstrate genetically identical twins end up with one gay and one straight sibling.

I think I've read that same study. When it happens the gay twin is invariably left handed.

Someone I know has identical twins, about eight years old. The 'leftie' has totally different interests then the righty. Too early to call, but I suspect.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (xQX/f)

807 @787

From the gays I know and am friends with, I think there is a deeper psychological reason for getting married: its a way of social validation. A way of saying "how do you like that, dad?" to society (and literally often, dad.)
If you're gay and want to commit, fantastic. I don't give a shit. But don't force it on other people for the wrong reason.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (t06LC)

808 ***"I know of no straight men who have ever "experimented."***

Aaarrrggghhhh, Ace, you sound like just the naive young lad who would make a fine cabin boy...

Posted by: Sailors Through The Ages at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (MMC8r)

809 So, since I'm in a jolly mood, will Jerusalem or Tel Aviv go glowy first?

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (mf5HN)

Tel Aviv.

They WANT Jerusalem.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (fwARV)

810 Beg Pardon but Kirk is Illinois not Indiana. I wish we could get rid of him but maybe to California. I would not wish his rino ass on the People of Indiana.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (Vyg9x)

811 Yes so true, so true

Posted by: Zombie at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (0FSuD)

812 In other news, Israel is boned.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (FsuaD)

813 But to the "it's a choice" people, I guess he made a choice, huh?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

He did choose to marry a chick, so...

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (/Ho8c)

814 Knew a guy in the military that had more feminine mannerisms than Richard Simmons. He was not gay. Had a smokin' hot wife with 3 kids. Go figure.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (/HX7u)

815 >>>I don't understand why the state has to be in the business of sanctioning relationships between adults

for children.

See, "libertarians" like doding this question, so they make up some nonsense to dodge it.

Libertarians pretend marriage is just about "love" between two adults. Therefore, why shouldn't gays have it? They love too, you know.

Marriage has never been about "love." It is about 1, providing for a stable environment for the procreation of and raising of children, and 2, protecting the women in case of rupture of hte marriage.

2 is less important now, but still important, and was an important part of marriage throughout 99% of history. The fact is, men and women have NOT been economically equal. Therefore we have evolved a series of rules to protect the weaker party in the marriage.

And of course we need rules to decide what happens to the kids, should the marriage rupture, or should the parents die, and so forth.

We do not need the government issuing Official Certificates of Goin' Steady to adults "in love." If children were not an issue, there would never be any marriage at all, and we would care much, much less about infidelity.

Without children, and without a historically weaker economic party, sexual relationships between adults are, get this, simply sexual relationships between adults, and the government has no interest in promoting marriage, subsidizing marriage, or making rules about marriage.

But right... marriage is all about "love,' huh?

Funny, I've been in love a lot but never married. Odd that love can exist apart from marriage, and marriage apart from love!

I have had my heart broken, and broken hearts, but who fucking cares, because there were NO CHILDREN, nor any economic depedency.

Without children, the government does not care about marriage.

This whole "love" thing is a fraud from the Me Generation.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (PA7DS)

816 My first thought as well.

So, since I'm in a jolly mood, will Jerusalem or Tel Aviv go glowy first?

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (mf5HN)

Teh SCOAMT's religion-of-his-youth demands Tel Aviv.
Teh SCOAMT's religion-of-his-adulthood demands Jerusalem.

My money's on both.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (cL79m)

817 Continuing anecdotally,almost any of the purely gay people I've known
were abused, sexually abused, or sexualized at extremely young ages.

The silent truth which cannot be studied ...

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (ztOda)

818 Just think about this: Once you make it okay to reject someone "at the counter" for being say, a woman unaccompanied, or a gay couple...then you are flatly and plainly saying that discrimination is OK

Yes. And.

By what *Right* would you or they *force me* to dispense of my time and property in a way I do not choose?

Discrimination is *always* okay- because we do it every day. I discriminated against the color red today, because I didn't choose my red shirt. I discriminate against Hwy 161 because I use SH 360 to get to Irving.

Discrimination is not a sin. It is not evil. Bigotry *may be*, but that is often the cost of Freedom. People are free to be bigots. They are free to have "bad" opinions. They are free to make choices we don't like.

If you deny that- or say that they shouldn't have that freedom- then you are an authoritarian. In which case: go fuck yourself.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (kff5f)

819 Dayam, ace.

I agree completely. I still say the best response is "Why do you hate Lipan Apache Indians?"

Of course, that's when they pivot to screaming about something else because they'll never conceded a point, ever.

As for the "gay is a choice thing" let's just say that it can be. I know a lot of women who were in lesbian relationships and now are married to men. I think it's a lot more flexible with women than men, but it's just stupid to pretend it doesn't happen. But who the fuck cares? Really. Who cares? It changes nothing at all.

Posted by: Liberals everywhere at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (MYCIw)

820 Yes yes so true. We're all gay!

http://tinyurl.com/nd8xbs3

Posted by: Zombie Fred Astaire at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (0FSuD)

821 I must be blessed, I have never had to take a cab in my life.

Posted by: FCF at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (kejii)

822 644
Easy. When I first saw Raquel Welch in a bikini.
Posted by: irright at April 02, 2015 02:26 PM (pMGkg)
***********************************************
Don't all thank me at once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5eJrfOuUWI

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (ucB75)

823 All of us struggle with certain improper urges, desires, and inclinations we know are wrong and - if you will - sinful. This is part of our nature as human beings in this world. Some are more destructive than others. Some are prone to gossip, egotism, shoplifting, overeating, what have you. Some are prone toward more unacceptable things in our society such as lust toward children or animals, or brutality and violence.

Some of these tendencies are becoming protected and accepted by society; they are treated as just a normal variance that we must all accept and even endorse. And that's where the problems start.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:48 PM (39g3+)

824 You have to let homosexual men be scout masters and the same people who promote this will file a class action suit when boys are abused...

Posted by: Tex the lesser at April 02, 2015 02:48 PM (eOpVe)

825 the gay movement has really learned their lesson from the Stonewall Inn.

This time, they're going to be the cops.

Posted by: Glen at April 02, 2015 02:48 PM (1x4u/)

826 Ick. Off liberal sock.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2015 02:48 PM (MYCIw)

827 Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 02:28 PM (mf5HN)

Alex!! You have been greatly missed.

And I LOLd that when you finally post the comment number is 666. I don't think it means anything, I just find it an amusing coincidence.

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (yRwC8)

828 814
Knew a guy in the military that had more feminine mannerisms than
Richard Simmons. He was not gay. Had a smokin' hot wife with 3 kids. Go
figure.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (/HX7u)

Jeebus. I know a guy exactly like that. Former Ranger, as well. Nice guy, but you'd never, ever guess he'd served as a Ranger. Has a gorgeous wife.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (FsuaD)

829 This world moves too fast for me.

Why would a guy want to be pregnant and deliver a child?

Ouch.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (TPjwz)

830 big ang has a throat tumor....the size of a lemon......just in cases you were interested

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (u8GsB)

831
781
What, DNA test for gay genetic marker? We have what you are looking for.

Posted by: Maggie Sangr's Planned Parenthood

100% effective, if we get paid.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (ztOda)

832 Jesus we still talking about gays?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (rDqRv)

833 Just think about this: Once you make it okay to reject someone "at the counter" for being say, a woman unaccompanied, or a gay couple...then you are flatly and plainly saying that discrimination is OK

Discrimination IS okay. Its why and how you do it that matters, not the mere fact of choosing and discriminating. Why on earth is this so very hard to grasp??

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (39g3+)

834 >>There is such a thing as anti-gay feeling. I can attest to that, as get this, I have it. I don't mind gays, exactly, but gay shit bothers me.

What's untrue, and has been since this issue broke, is moo saying that anyone who acts out of religious belief is a bigoted asshole who just wants to use this to gays.

It is counterfactual to the issue. The people at the pizza place said quite clearly that they would serve anyone, gays, NASCAR drivers, long haul truckers, any single one, but they would not cater a gay wedding because it is a practice in violation of their beliefs.

This isn't some new age wacko stuff. This is mainline Christianity and it has been for centuries. There is absolutely nothing bigoted about saying I have no problem serving you as I would anyone else but I will not be forced to participate in celebrations of your lifestyle which I do not support.

It's a very simple premise. It is at the heart of religious freedom which is one of the founding building blocks, if not THE founding building block of this nation. And yet over and over and over again, moo continues to say quite plainly that anyone who supports this families position is a bigot.

I don't like gay stuff either. I go out of my way to avoid it. But I don't turn customers away from my business if I think they are gay. That isn't moo's point and he hasn't been arguing that way since this issue started.

I'm also not particularly religious but smearing a group of people falsely is no better than what the left does everyday. That represents I leave of dishonesty or stupidity that needs to be highlighted.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (g1DWB)

835 I wonder how all the Apple Store employees feel about being drafted into Tim Cook's culture war.

Posted by: OCBill at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (/H+xp)

836 So, since I'm in a jolly mood, will Jerusalem or Tel Aviv go glowy first?

Tel Aviv. Jerusalem has al aksa mosque the third holiest site in Islam.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (sWgE+)

837 Did any of you watch that trainwreck of a show called My Husband Thinks He's Gay, or something like that? It was 4 men in Utah (of course, lol) that said they had sexual feelings for men, but swore they weren't gay. 3 of them were married with kids.

I've never felt so bad for 3 women in my life. It was painful to watch.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)

838
Those young gays will one day be old gays

not if they don't wise up,drug use is rampant in the young gay community plus these young gay men view AIDS more as a chronic medical condition nowrather than a deadly virus.

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (lKyWE)

839 I don't know about you other "Straight" men, but heterosexuality was never a "choice" in my case.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:30 PM (PA7DS)

Well, heterosexuality is the default setting. For obvious reasons. I view homosexuality as a developmental disability. Genetics, epigenetics, socialization? Maybe all play a role.

I don't hate homosexuals. But what they do is unsanitary, and potentially fatal. I had a gay friend, and it was the buttsecks that killed him. AIDS, he was an early adopter, and early adopters always pay more.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (eenKj)

840 744

I know of no straight men who have ever "experimented."

I do know of "Gay but straight acting closeted guys" who have sex with men on occasion while trying to fit in as straight.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:33 PM (PA7DS)

I've seen some... documentaries... where otherwise strait women have
"experimented." I'm not sure what happens between as I usually fast
forward to the experimentation parts, but usually they can be turned by a
well endowed man.
============

I believe one such "documentary" was even posted here on this very blog.

A classic "be sure to close the other tabs before working" if there ever was one.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (ZvKdv)

841 Tel Aviv.

They WANT Jerusalem.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 02, 2015 02:46 PM (fwARV)

Yup, that's my thought as well.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (mf5HN)

842
The Deltas and Epsilons in Brave New World did not even have names. There were all identical; names were unnecessary and would only confuse them, the poor dears.

The Left does not want Conformity; they want identicality as Huxley described. Ora cud-chewing herd, as their great boy-god John Lennon sang in his Imagine

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (PEgKF)

843 @815

And inheritance. That's why virginity was prized among brides: you knew the child and heir to your lands and title was yours.

Monogomy was made to protect women.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (t06LC)

844
As Brietbart used to say "So?"

Halal markets won't cater to uncovered females! "So?"

But Christian bakers won't bake cakes for gay weddings! "So?"

So?

Posted by: D. McCoy at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (/EkKm)

845 He was not gay. Had a smokin' hot wife with 3 kids. Go
figure.

____________

They two are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (0LHZx)

846 As long as we're going anecdotal here - broaden your
horizons. I know of straight guys who have in the past but no longer
consider it. I know of women who say they used to be straight and then
made the conscious choice to switch hit because Men Suck. I've known
women who say they've tried switch hitting because Men Suck, but then
they came back because women were worse.

Continuing
anecdotally,almost any of the purely gay people I've known were abused,
sexually abused, or sexualized at extremely young ages.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 02, 2015 02:44 PM (xSCb6)

I think the concept of defining people by what they do is rather bizarre, and in no way reflective of real human behavior.

In a sense, there is no such thing as a gay person or a straight person, or anything in between. Do you like having sex a certain way? Or both ways, or all ways in between? Fantastic! You go do that. But let's knock it off with the identity nonsense. You do what you do. Who you are is who you are, and if we stopped pretending like the former was the latter, so much of the politics of this nonsense would go away.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 02, 2015 02:51 PM (TOk1P)

847
@841

Hey, AtC!

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Monastic Plush Porcupine on a Pirate Ship at April 02, 2015 02:51 PM (k8xvx)

848
Wow. The homofascists send threats to a pizza place and mr poo poo is still praising faggot power like it is manna from heaven.

How many death treats before we simply fuck off all the proud faggots and their fascist supporters? Do you have to become like Israel to understand you're under siege?
Im speechless. By comparison fags liberty in Russia is greater than Christians liberty in the USA.
Death treats. Isis is right

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 02:51 PM (LKY8c)

849 830 big ang has a throat tumor....the size of a lemon......just in cases you were interested

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (u8Gs

Big Ang is a tumor.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 02, 2015 02:51 PM (oFCZn)

850 So.... my favorite pizza place just got 188 large. Plenty to remodel and expand.

Posted by: People Corp at April 02, 2015 02:51 PM (TzeLs)

851 Well, Iran is doing the Happy Dance.

Thanks, JEF, you worthless piece of trash.

This will be a Holy Week we won't soon forget.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2015 02:51 PM (FsuaD)

852 Yes yes so true. We're all gay!

The science is settled. Now I want a massage.

Posted by: Al Gore at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (F2IAQ)

853 Thank you Mr. Moo Moo for posting. I will be seven next week and I get the giggle farts when I read your silly words...Are you six as well?

Posted by: tbd at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (KVjPb)

854 So, since I'm in a jolly mood, will Jerusalem or Tel Aviv go glowy first

****

I'm going with Tel Aviv. Their usurpation of the Temple Mount.....errrrr, I mean Dome of the Rock is in Jerusalem and I don't see them nuking that.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (KkVB6)

855 I wonder how all the Apple Store employees feel about being drafted into Tim Cook's culture war.

Like baristas do about #racetogether.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (MMC8r)

856 Tel Aviv. Jerusalem has al aksa mosque the third holiest site in Islam.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 02:49 PM (sWgE+)

The Muslims don't give a rat's ass about Jerusalem beyond the fact that the Jooos own it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (rDqRv)

857 not if they don't wise up,drug use is rampant in the young gay community plus these young gay men view AIDS more as a chronic medical condition nowrather than a deadly virus.
Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:50 PM (lKyWE)

__________

Yep. No straight people use drugs. All the meth heads in rural parts of the country are all gays.

Dude seriously, just stop.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (0LHZx)

858 Gay's NEVER take advantage of children, that's why they should be Scout Leaders!

http://tinyurl.com/bo3ldpm

Posted by: MSNBC at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (0FSuD)

859 I'm going with Tel Aviv. Their usurpation of the Temple Mount.....errrrr, I mean Dome of the Rock is in Jerusalem and I don't see them nuking that.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (KkVB6)

Why they have already shot missiles at it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:52 PM (rDqRv)

860 I know of no straight men who have ever "experimented."

I know 4 men who meet this description. (and 1 woman, a lesbian friend who asked me one time if I would be her "experiment". We "experimented" a half dozen times. She later "married" another woman, so I guess it didn't take).

But really, why does it have to be binary? Why can't it be a choice for some and innate for others? Also, what role might molestation at a young age play? Children develop their sexuality as they grow, can we completely discount their life experiences in that?

Instead of the choice being only nature vs nurture, why not a little from column A, a little from column B, and everybody has different ratios?

Posted by: Weirddave at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (WvS3w)

861 They reached a deal with Iran. spit

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (iQIUe)

862 Don't all thank me at once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5eJrfOuUWI

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (ucB75)

That's..frigging...sweet!

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (FMbng)

863 big ang has a throat tumor....the size of a lemon......just in cases you were interested

I don't know who that is but its terrible news and I will try to remember in my prayers.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (39g3+)

864 Damn, Ace. You are en fuego!

*with apologies to The Guy Who Shouts En Fuego!*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (h4vJk)

865 New thread please?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (FsuaD)

866 why don't you just admit that if you ever had to admit that gays were born with at least a lot of gayness in them (which surely *influences* their "choice" to be gay), you would be required to extend to them some Christian empathy and mercy for being born with a burden, and you do not wish to extend them empathy and mercy, you want to yell at them and clap yourself on the back for having "chosen" to never suck a cock. Incidentally, straight guys...? if you really had to "choose" to be straight, I have news for you: You're actually gay.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:27 PM (PA7DS)
----------------------------
Why admit anything? Why ask Christians to take it on faith? Why don't you prove it?

This blatantly ignores that the primary purpose of sex, biologically, is reproduction. To perform a minor function like continuing the species. Recreation is a secondary benefit that encourages you to do the procreating thing. That explains why the planet is crawling with heterosexuals.

While it is certainty plausible that some, SOME, homosexuals are born that way, the orientation itself, if adhered to as they claim, prevents procreation. So it isn't some evolutionary advance. It would logically be a form of a birth defect, which is likely closer to the truth. Similar to being born without legs, or losing them in an accident or, insanely, choosing to amputate them.

Choose to be straight? Or choose to engage in an act? Heterosexuals can and do develop fetishes. Apparently you've never heard of consentual prison sex, where heteros DO go gay, as that's the only hole to f**k.

So it comes down to the act of homosexuality that demonstrates proof of homosexuality, but how do you separate those that choose homosexuality (product of abuse, mental illness, hedonism) from those "born that way" for purposes of legal protection? How do you protect "gender identity" when you look, act and dress like a man, but can claim you are a woman "in your head"? I guarantee you that race would never be as protected as it is if black could become white, or vice versa, simply on a whim.

Same as separating gay marriage from same sex marriage - can two straight guys marry? Why not? Its not called "gay marriage" in the statutes.

Posted by: Saltyron at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (i6shs)

867 As for the "gay is a choice thing" let's just say that it can be. I know a lot of women who were in lesbian relationships and now are married to men. I think it's a lot more flexible with women than men, but it's just stupid to pretend it doesn't happen. But who the fuck cares? Really. Who cares? It changes nothing at all.

Posted by: Liberals everywhere at April 02, 2015 02:47 PM (MYCIw)

This is true. More women "experiment." But, arguably isn't that because its more socially accepted if not encouraged (cough Katy Perry) thus proving a sizeable part of gayness is by choice?

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (t06LC)

868 Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 02:51 PM (LKY8c)

^^^^^^^^
He's not fooling anybody, is he?

We all know he's posting this in a french maid's uniform.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (MMC8r)

869 What people continue to do is confuse the genetic expression of traits they associate with the ghey, with the actual decision to engage in ghey sex. Maybe social pressures influence those with certain tendencies to an "expected" sexual behavior -- and isolating those effects in studies is very difficult.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (ztOda)

870 Dude seriously, just stop.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

How cute, mini moo is attempting to be the grown up in the room.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (Spluw)

871 It really is this simple: I'm a filthy capitalist; - my money is green, baby, and if you don't want it, - fuck you. Somebody else does.

Posted by: Fritz at April 02, 2015 02:54 PM (ty633)

872 So this gay thing has nothing to do with decking the halls.

Posted by: A guy who remember words differently at April 02, 2015 02:54 PM (2Aj5D)

873 $205,515

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 02, 2015 02:54 PM (evdj2)

874 Who the hell is "Big Ang"?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2015 02:54 PM (2Ojst)

875 people who think "genetic" is the only factor in inborn traits are as good at #science as they are at at tolderance

again, look up "epigenetic"

god forbid that people should know something about the thing they're pronouncing confidently about

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:54 PM (PA7DS)

876 WTF is a Big Ang? I think I really DONT want to know.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2015 02:54 PM (JO9+V)

877 Bill Whittle's latest Firewall is really good:

http://tinyurl.com/kcwd8hg

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 02, 2015 02:54 PM (BZAd3)

878 I would not be comfortable with a gay guy and his boyfriend, unless they were completely chilly towards each other. The moment I see one touch the other, I am bothered.

People are simply not willing to admit to any so-called "flaws" in themselves, and thus are forced into making ludicrous claims like "I have no problem, none at all, with gays! I just hate their fudge-packing lifestyle choices.'

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:40 PM (PA7DS)

Ahhh... but just like Men's instinctive desire to protect women... we are not supposed to talk about it... because... politics.

I believe that a large amount of human behavior is programmed into us by God, or Evolution.... those things which cross all cultures... like the preservation of the family, and then tribe. Protecting your Children, and Mate...

And the way Men think of Women... and Women... Men...

As Homosexuality does nothing for Family, Tribal, or Race Survival... I can easily see how repugnance of Gay mannerisms (which also somehow cross cultural barriers) would be a net gain for Family and Tribal survival...

Yet... we are supposed to suppress all that... and our Feelings towards women...

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:54 PM (qh617)

879 @803 "The market will correct, people will stop patronizing the shops whose owners they disagree with.

What's the problem?"

I see bloggers all over the place going pretty apeshit over the fact that Indiana is experiencing specifically this, right now.

So I guess I throw your question back at you: What's the problem? The state of Indiana has experienced a massive market correction and a big financial hit. Why are people complaining about that? Is that not exactly how things are supposed to work? Looks like you sort of want market freedom, but only to correct things you don't like? If I'm misunderstanding you please say so, but it seems like you're advocating two opposing things here.

My position is simple: discrimination in the public commons should not be acceptable, and damn sure should not be legally protected.

Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (iGh5L)

880 This is true. More women "experiment."

There are entire film empires built on this premise.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (evdj2)

881 Here's what I don't get: many gays, including my sister of all people, DO think being gay is a choice. I actually believe there is a genetic component, as well as a social/environment one, that contributes to sexuality. But if you ask her nope, choice. Does that make her a bad gay? Or is just a sign that this issue is extremely complicated and needs sensitivity on all sides when discussed?

Also, I think Christians SHOULD be hoping there IS a gay gene. If one can be found, and you can isolate it in utero, gays will turn pro-life so fast that heads will be spinning!

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (yRwC8)

882 Hi AtC - Did you see this?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/poor-snape#.qb10WzdLDZ

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (cXQJ2)

883 874 Some reality TV star that I never heard of either.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (n9kSQ)

884 861 They reached a deal with Iran. spit
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (iQIUe)

But won't tell us what is in it.
Go Bibi Go,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (2Aj5D)

885 I wonder how all the Apple Store employees feel about being drafted into Tim Cook's culture war.

I'm sure they polished their boxy glasses and felt especially smug about being part of such a grand crusade.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (39g3+)

886
Great post.

8 and a half patriotic ejaculations!

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (Yidyr)

887 At least the "gay is a choice" group has proven my point.

There are a lot of stupid people around.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2015 02:56 PM (9ZZd+)

888 The state of Indiana has experienced a massive market correction and a big financial hit.

They did?

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 02, 2015 02:56 PM (evdj2)

889 Without children, the government does not care about marriage.

Would that it were so. I know several married childless couples. The government treats them differently from me, divorced with two children.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at April 02, 2015 02:56 PM (JtwS4)

890 886 That's teh ghey.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2015 02:56 PM (n9kSQ)

891 @859 Why they have already shot missiles at it
-------------------

Given the accuracy of the Pali missiles, they probably used it as an aiming point to ensure that they *didn't* hit it.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2015 02:56 PM (UWFpX)

892 "Monogomy was made to protect women."

Yes, very much so. Women are the vulnerable party in a sexual relationship. Men can run off the next day with no consequences, but women have that whole pregnancy thing they have to deal with.

So society created rules to protect women from being knocked up and abandoned.

And we fucked it all up. Our response to men not upholding their part of the deal at times was to throw the whole thing out and engage in behaviors that make women more vulnerable because supposedly that is empowering.

Go us.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (MYCIw)

893 My position is simple: discrimination in the public commons should not be acceptable, and damn sure should not be legally protected.

Unless they are religious types, then to the camps with them

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)

894
big ang.....is from mob wives.....a scripted reality show......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (u8GsB)

895

I can still smell the freshly charred grey matter of Bill Quick...

He just got burned to the bone.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (IXrOn)

896 $208K moving along!

Liberals heads exploding. $250K before 3:00. This:

http://tinyurl.com/oodegsr

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (0FSuD)

897 So we now know that Barky is giving Iran the bomb (like we didn't know he would). How soon does Israel go "wheels up" after Iran's program?

Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (sWgE+)

898 The penis does not lie.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (JO9+V)

899
I've never figured out how to ride a vag, but I know the secret to riding a hard throbbing cock!

Posted by: Jenna Jameson at April 02, 2015 02:58 PM (P330y)

900 Why they have already shot missiles at it
-------------------

Given the accuracy of the Pali missiles, they probably used it as an aiming point to ensure that they *didn't* hit it.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2015 02:56 PM (UWFpX)

That's not really the point and they also riot up there and comit murder up there so they baiscally treat it like a garbage dump

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2015 02:58 PM (rDqRv)

901 The penis does not lie.

Neither do I.

Posted by: cocaine at April 02, 2015 02:58 PM (evdj2)

902
where do you live moo moo? because where i live the leaders of the gay community are terrified about whats happeningwith the younger gays there is actually a new strain of AIDS and hep B that is resitant to exisiting drugs you ignorant fuck

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2015 02:58 PM (lKyWE)

903 The Quick guy is really not too quick at all.

The problem with the taxi hypothetical is this. The state licenses taxis so it is a government enforced monopoly. You do not have choice. All the government need do is to require cabs that will not carry people with alcohol is to disclose their terms through something like "Sharia Cab Service." Then sensible people will not call that self-limiting non-service, and UNLESS the government stops them, others will provide a cab service for people who have alcohol or dogs, and for women who do not wear sacks.

Posted by: JeffM at April 02, 2015 02:58 PM (r7i2H)

904
OT: Gov. Krispie Kreme pardons Shaneen Allen

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 02, 2015 02:58 PM (95CzI)

905 The commie left has dressed up anal sex with flowery civil rights language for so many years that our grade school children are now being forced to choose if they are boys or girls, if they "love" boys or girls, or if they are just bigots.

Sick fucks.

I'll bet none of them has ever worked in a hospital with young, young, men unable to hold their feces in anymore, or dying of AIDS.

Posted by: pam at April 02, 2015 02:59 PM (cgrL5)

906 897 So we now know that Barky is giving Iran the bomb (like we didn't know he would). How soon does Israel go "wheels up" after Iran's program?
Posted by: wrg500 at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (sWgE+

I don't think they can wait until the USA replaces the Barky

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2015 02:59 PM (2Aj5D)

907 nood nuke

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 02:59 PM (PA7DS)

908 I've seen some... documentaries... where otherwise strait women have "experimented." I'm not sure what happens between as I usually fast forward to the experimentation parts, but usually they can be turned by a well endowed man.

*Ahem*

I'm a healer.

Posted by: Ram Maidensplitter at April 02, 2015 02:59 PM (8ZskC)

909 Was this just a failed April Fools?

Posted by: DaveA at April 02, 2015 02:59 PM (DL2i+)

910 Yes, very much so. Women are the vulnerable party in a sexual relationship. Men can run off the next day with no consequences, but women have that whole pregnancy thing they have to deal with. So society created rules to protect women from being knocked up and abandoned.

You left out, diseased. Until the 1940s, most venereal diseases were for life, and were often a death sentence. Women are more apt to get them.The period of time when such issues could be mitigated was very brief, from the late 40's to the advent of herpes and AIDs. The societal changes "permitted" due to advances in medicine can't change nearly as quickly as the onset of disease.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 02, 2015 02:59 PM (Spluw)

911 Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2015 02:57 PM (MYCIw)

Hmm.... I don't know.... I am naturally Monogamous...

and yes, I have had many many other opportunities to be otherwise...

It may be a different Woman next year.... but its only one at a time....

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 02, 2015 02:59 PM (qh617)

912 Ace at his finest.

Posted by: Hurricane at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (U2plr)

913 But really, why does it have to be binary? Why can't it be a choice for some and innate for others?

I suspect part of it is a desire to be socially acceptable and avoid seeming bigoted (see I'm not like those wierdos) and part of it is a fear of their worldview suffering for having a pillar eroded away.

Here's what I don't get: many gays, including my sister of all people, DO think being gay is a choice. I actually believe there is a genetic component, as well as a social/environment one, that contributes to sexuality.

Indeed, and in fact I've read materials from the same social engineers saying that homosexuality is a choice and is not a choice, depending on what point they are trying to make.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (39g3+)

914 if you are born ghey great....if you choose to be ghey great....i don't care....just leave me alone about your gheyness.....i don't care.... tammy bruce decided to be ghey btw......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (u8GsB)

915 @900 That's not really the point and they also riot up there and comit murder up there so they baiscally treat it like a garbage dump
-------------------

Relax. It was a tongue in cheek comment. I thought that the emoticon would have made that clear, but apparently not.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (UWFpX)

916 Is fatboy going to pardon the guy with the flintlock now? Or after he's financially ruined?

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (evdj2)

917 @892

I always found it funny that the supposedly "empowering" parts of the sexual revolution for women reads like a men's wish list.

"So, let me get this strait. You'll have unprotected anonymous sex with me because you're on the pill and I can just leave consequence free in the morning? Swee.....um go feminism."

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (t06LC)

918 How cute, mini moo is attempting to be the grown up in the room.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 02, 2015 02:53 PM (Spluw)

Especially considering the enormous quantity of his own feces he throws against the wall here.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (2Ojst)

919 836
So, since I'm in a jolly mood, will Jerusalem or Tel Aviv go glowy first?

Tel Aviv. Jerusalem has al aksa mosque the third holiest site in Islam.

Posted by: wrg500 a

Tehran will go first. I expect the Israelis to knock down several attempts, enough time to get their Jehrico's on Qom and Tehran.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (ztOda)

920 879 If you think lying about a business, sending false reviews, and forcing them to shut down maybe forever is "market correction", then I don't know what to say.

I saw the Leftest use that canard on Twitter. Forcing a business to close due to death threats is AOK, but getting testy at a town hall with Senators about Obamacare was the end of civilization.

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 02, 2015 03:00 PM (EQcfE)

921 Given the accuracy of the Pali missiles, they probably used it as an aiming point to ensure that they *didn't* hit it.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2015 02:56 PM (UWFpX)

This is the wrong thread to ask somebody ~~for a rimshot~~ to rapidly hit the drum twice, followed by a crash of the cymbal.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 03:01 PM (cL79m)

922 >>> We do not need the government issuing Official Certificates of Goin' Steady to adults "in love."

This literally made me LOL

Posted by: dan-O at April 02, 2015 03:01 PM (D0bIN)

923 "Instead of the choice being only nature vs nurture, why not a little
from column A, a little from column B, and everybody has different
ratios?"

Pretty much the way I see it - but as I said above, for political purposes, it's irrelevant unless one side or the other turns the coercion card.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 02, 2015 03:02 PM (QKIQb)

924 "I would not be comfortable with a gay guy and his boyfriend, unless they were completely chilly towards each other. The moment I see one touch the other, I am bothered."

I've said it before, I'll say again I'm sure: I accept that gays are hard-wired to be attracted to others of the same sex. Why can they not accept that as a straight man, I'm hard wired to find that somewhere between discomfiting and repulsive?

Posted by: Rocketeer at April 02, 2015 03:02 PM (mUWtd)

925
Inborn traits that cross all cultures are such things as emotion and emotional expression. For example, a "frown" or even a "shrug" can be found in the deepest depths of dark Africa as well as Brooklyn and have exactly the same meaning. These things are not learned by humans.

Sexual attraction to the same sex, I believe, is not an inborn trait, if that's your assertion above.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 02, 2015 03:03 PM (Yidyr)

926 I've said it before, I'll say again I'm sure: I accept that gays are hard-wired to be attracted to others of the same sex. Why can they not accept that as a straight man, I'm hard wired to find that somewhere between discomfiting and repulsive?

Posted by: Rocketeer at April 02, 2015 03:02 PM (mUWtd)

That's exactly my argument. You want the right to be gay, fine, but leave my right to be grossed out alone.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 03:03 PM (FMbng)

927 True story:

A couple of weeks ago, I went into a small market and went to pay for some milk. The guy behind the register said that the milk that I wanted to purchase was halal and available for Muslim customers only. Fine. No problem. I wasn't looking specifically for Halal milk. I mistakenly picked it up. Did I get angry and start screaming about discrimination? No, I did not. I just purchased Infidel Milk and left.

Why? Because I am not some bloody insane person that is so sensitive to 'intolerance' or whatever that I fucking demand that 'In this Cultural Revolution, everyone must don Mao Straightjackets!'..and that the government punish anyone who doesn't fall in line with the latest orthodoxy.

BTW, Great News, LGBTers! Muslims To Outnumber Christians In 50 Years!

http://tinyurl.com/kuhlk37

Posted by: PredictableHistory at April 02, 2015 03:03 PM (DjtF4)

928 @818 Allen, we just disagree strongly on this. I don't think that kind of discrimination should be acceptable in the public commons. Privately? Do what you want, man. I genuinely don't care. But if you hang a shingle and open your doors to the public, and put up a sign that says "NO IRISH" or "BLACKS NOT WELCOME" or, "GO AWAY GAYS" then I think that is grounds for the state to step in and say "hey, you can't do that to another citizen." I think that there are certain times when the state does have the right to act in defense of people. But that's a whole, much longer and very complicated mess than can't be turned into a witty joke or a pithy insult, so I'll leave you to find a new name to call me and dismiss everything I'm saying as "authoritarian." I find it silly you can't have a civil policy disagreement with me.

(Good Lord if you only knew how ridiculous it was to call me authoritarian! Since I have no interest in being witch-hunted by EITHER side, I won't list my bona-fides, but you are barking way, way up the wrong tree here.)

Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 03:04 PM (iGh5L)

929 It will not be J'lem or tel Aviv. The first place to go mushroom will be about 3 miles below where ever the Israeli's intercept the launch. My guess is somewhere near Tehran.

It is also my guess that a cruise missile launch will not work either. Iron Dome was not put out just to intercept kassam fireworks.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 02, 2015 03:04 PM (Vyg9x)

930 Yeah, I'm okay with that Muslim owned businesses refusing to serve women not "properly" covered thing too.
Especially if they are Lena Dunham, she needs to be covered as a matter of public health.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 02, 2015 03:05 PM (FLBHk)

931 Bravo, couldn't agree more. This is more the Ace I remember from the old days.

Of course Bill Quick has always been an idiot, but he's resurrected his blog by becoming more of a whiner and complainer about all things than just a libertarian idiot. But his nonsense opinion, in this case, is widely shared among the oppressive totalitarians on the Left. He shows his true colors, and you pantsed him good to expose them.

Nice work. Keep it up.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 02, 2015 03:05 PM (QIQ6j)

932 How many death treats before we simply fuck off all the proud faggots and their fascist supporters? Do you have to become like Israel to understand you're under siege?
Im speechless. By comparison fags liberty in Russia is greater than Christians liberty in the USA.
Death treats. Isis is right
Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 02:51 PM (LKY8c)

Do you believe that I should be thrown off a building? Or stoned to death? Or have a wall toppled on me? Or beheaded? Or set on fire while alive?

Those are not rhetorical questions. Yes or no.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 03:05 PM (mf5HN)

933 BTW, Great News, LGBTers! Muslims To Outnumber Christians In 50 Years!

http://tinyurl.com/kuhlk37

Posted by: PredictableHistory at April 02, 2015 03:03 PM (DjtF4)

Well, that prediction is before the middle east gets all splodey. It might decrease the numbers some.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 02, 2015 03:05 PM (t06LC)

934 Choice ... Genetic ... I just do not give a damn.

Queers make me uncomfortable - so I avoid them when I see them. An average looking or better Lesbian, however, is extremely hot.

And anybody who doesn't approve of my obvious double standard can kiss my ass because I'll do as I please since I'm a grown ass man.

The End.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 02, 2015 03:06 PM (VfCmK)

935 780
You know, I'm still pissed that my local jewish deli doesn't serve ham.

Posted by: steve walsh at April 02, 2015 02:42 PM (ApT95)
******************************************************Years ago, in ignorance, I asked for a corned beef swiss cheese at old-school Charlie's Kosher Delicatessen (OK, call me shaygetz). The sweet counterman winced, sussed me up, shrugged. "I can't", he patiently explained, "This is a kosher establishment. But tell you what, I'll make you a nice sandwich, and wrap up some swiss for you on the side". Solved! Both parties happy. Good place, and next door to Beverlywood Bakery (yummy). Morons in L. A. take note.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mcnl8hf

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 02, 2015 03:06 PM (ucB75)

936 It will not be J'lem or tel Aviv. The first place to go mushroom will be about 3 miles below where ever the Israeli's intercept the launch. My guess is somewhere near Tehran.

It is also my guess that a cruise missile launch will not work either. Iron Dome was not put out just to intercept kassam fireworks.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 02, 2015 03:04 PM (Vyg9x)

More like "somewhere over Jordan or Syria" as Iron Dome is a point-defense system.

Posted by: steveegg at April 02, 2015 03:06 PM (cL79m)

937 Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (iGh5L)

Let's try to straighten you out some, cupcake.

1- No one is wailing and gnashing their teeth over the fact people are upset at Indiana. We are stating we will reciprocate in their economic warfare. Sure, Oregon can cancel all official visits to Indiana. Indiana could give fuck-all about it. But, I- as a supporter of Indiana, can *also* cancel any visits to Oregon.

As long as it was kept just to the state, it was fine. Dishonest and hypocritical on the part of the Left, but par for the course and expected.

That brings us to #2- This is not about people choosing not to do business with a state. It is about people being forced "at the point of a gun" to participate in an economic transaction they in which they do not wish to participate.

The Gaystapo didn't say "Oh, we don't like that, so we're going to boycott you!" They said, "We don't like that, so we're going to issue death threats, threats against your property, and try to force your compliance through the courts."

They did this because the last time they just boycotted someone was Chick-fil-A. That didn't work out so well for them.

If it were *just* about boycotts, we'd be busy making sure our businesses of choice were being patronized. But it isn't. And your continued instance that it is shows either your ignorance or your dishonesty.

As for discrimination being "legally protected," you might want to go do some research on what RFRAs really do. See, it's not enough (under the law- though it should be) for me to say, "You're gay, so I don't want to serve you." You have to prove a significant burden on your Religious Freedom before RFRAs kick in. So a gay guy coming into the pizzaria? RFRA doesn't say I can kick him out. Gay guy asks me to cater his wedding? I can say "no, thank you."

By the way, it's nice of you to *admit* you're an authoritarian who thinks Government should be able to coerce me into disposing of my labor and property against my desires and/or scruples. So 'A' for honesty.

No kindly go fuck yourself.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 03:07 PM (kff5f)

938 The distinction between a store and a taxi is even simpler than you make it out to be. A taxi is a common carrier. A common carrier undertakes to serve the public generally and impartially. Under government regulation, they are subject to strict anti-discrimination requirements.

Posted by: Ortho weed b gon at April 02, 2015 03:08 PM (fdUIc)

939 Dear Leader touting his Iran deal. What he's saying about it is really to good to be true. Therefore...........

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2015 03:08 PM (/HX7u)

940
774
"Just think about this: Once you make it okay to reject someone "at the counter" for being say, a woman unaccompanied, or a gay couple...then you are flatly and plainly saying that discrimination is OK. And being that humans are what humans are, the next guy will push the line. He stops serving all women. Or black youths. Because it's now ok to reject services in the public commons based solely on what someone *is*, not what they *do*."

You make a point, albeit a stupid and obvious one.

Let us play, what if. What if a restaurant decides NOT to seat black people, the racist bastards?
1) They lose the business of black people, obviously.
2) They lose the business of many other non-black people, obviously.
3) They get a ton of negative publicity.
Ergo, if your business model revolves around routinely refusing service to paying customers, I submit to you that the situation is largely SELF-CORRECTING. I have no problem with people boycotting businesses that refuse to service others. I do have a problem with lawsuits and criminal investigations of such by the government.

Posted by: D. McCoy at April 02, 2015 03:08 PM (/EkKm)

941
'i would not be comfortable with a gay guy and his boyfriend, unless they were completely chilly towards each other. The moment I see one touch the other, I am bothered'
So male on male anal sex terrifies you but people sending death treats to a pizza place doesnt.
priorities people.
I think that your problem is that you have no idea what it means to live in a place where freedom of conscience is allowed to some protected classes and not everybody.
And secondly how can you demand to the gop to grow a spine when in reality you would never backtrack your support for faggot marriage even in sight of the rampant fascism that they ooze.
they will stop at nothing because they know people like you will cave, because justice or some other bullshit justification.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:09 PM (LKY8c)

942 That was some serious pwnage right there Ace. Well done...

Posted by: Brian J at April 02, 2015 03:10 PM (AdUQG)

943 "102
One point I would expand on.

In the case of the government
forcing a baker or florist to serve a gay wedding the Left is ultimately
saying not only is is "wrong" for the business owner to refuse this
service, it is so wrong that we are willing to send armed men to your
house and force you to comply by any means necessary - including
imprisoning you or ultimately killing you for resisting arrest.

This is, frankly, absurd."

Tyranny is not absurd ... just wrong.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 02, 2015 03:10 PM (FLBHk)

944 (Good Lord if you only knew how ridiculous it was to call me authoritarian! Since I have no interest in being witch-hunted by EITHER side, I won't list my bona-fides, but you are barking way, way up the wrong tree here.)

Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 03:04 PM (iGh5L)

You are an authoritarian. You've already admitted it- two or three times now. You think the government should be able to tell me how I can/must dispose of my labor/property. That is authoritarian.

So kindly go fuck yourself.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 02, 2015 03:11 PM (kff5f)

945 Ace, this is some of your best writing yet. Absolutely perfect.

I see this same demand for Conformity NOW at my kids' school, in contexts that have nothing to do with conservatism or Christianity. The costume guidelines for the Halloween party were practically a rulebook.

That's where we are at as a culture. We have to have an Official Halloween party, and it has to be as prescribed as fuck.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at April 02, 2015 03:11 PM (ElEyp)

946 Oh yeah, now I remember why I quit blog comments ten years ago. I forgot how it's mostly just people talking past each other, ignoring any kind of point and making up things to argue against.

Have fun kids. Just remember...I warned you this was a seriously stupid hill to die on.

Posted by: malren at April 02, 2015 03:13 PM (iGh5L)

947 We're an entire country run by a damned HOA.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 02, 2015 03:13 PM (VfCmK)

948 155 We've replaced Ace's coffee with crystal meth. Let's see if he notices.
Posted by: Folgers Crystal Meth at April 02, 2015 01:30 PM (KnOIi)

Some much-needed comic relief, there.

Posted by: m at April 02, 2015 03:14 PM (WIUGG)

949 Well, bye.

Posted by: Curly Bill at April 02, 2015 03:15 PM (evdj2)

950 947 We're an entire country run by a damned HOA.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 02, 2015 03:13 PM (VfCmK)

Hey, I've offered.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2015 03:15 PM (9ZZd+)

951 1000 or bust. Yes we can!

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2015 03:16 PM (/HX7u)

952 "Oh yeah, now I remember why I quit blog comments ten years ago. I forgot
how it's mostly just people talking past each other, ignoring any kind
of point and making up things to argue against."

Market correction, bitch.

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 02, 2015 03:16 PM (EQcfE)

953 So....We can drop the f bomb at AOSHQ now?

Posted by: small town girl, crusader at April 02, 2015 03:17 PM (rvtDF)

954 "People are simply not willing to admit to any so-called "flaws" in
themselves, and thus are forced into making ludicrous claims like "I
have no problem, none at all, with gays! I just hate their fudge-packing
lifestyle choices.''

Brutal Honesty Thursday continues. Ace is piling up credits.

The gays I know are well aware that I'm leaving the room if there's any PDA on their part. I give them the same courtesy.

I assume on learning someone is gay that they are more likely to be knee-jerk transgressive and anti-traditional, passive-aggressive and vindictive, carrying a chip on their shoulder over people who don't accept them (in the sense that Ace spoke of this week regarding the suddenly empowered weak/oppressed), at least borderline neurotic and libertine/promiscuous. So being gay isn't "just like other people," it's baggage. I have my own baggage, no doubt, but I don't think it's of a piece with other straight men. Would I prefer gays weren't gay - hell's yes. So I'll own that they aren't "just like other people." I'm not going to persecute them, but I've never had a day where I said "I'd like to just go hang out with this gay dude I know because he's a great guy otherwise." It's behavior so transgressive and off-putting that I want to shun them, but I can mind my manners when appropriate - and would appreciate the same respect from them (thus my dislike for in-your-face flamers).

And yes, there's a double-standard with lesbians, who I have little of the same physical discomfort with, albeit finding butch personalities much more unpleasant to be around than most gay men I've known.

That's why I suspect there is a genetic component to homosexuality - my reptile/monkey level brain is what gets the creeps over it, much more so than my rationalizing, moralizing brain. I think for some or most it's either very deeply seated in childhood or locked into DNA to some extent for that reason - and I don't doubt that some or most gays feel the same way about straight sex. But there's clearly a strong social and developmental psych element as well.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 02, 2015 03:17 PM (QKIQb)

955 they will stop at nothing because they know people like you will cave, because justice or some other bullshit justification.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:09 PM (LKY8c)

Do you have a solution in mind?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at April 02, 2015 03:17 PM (JtwS4)

956 BEST diatribe yet. 100% agree.

Posted by: Wally at April 02, 2015 03:18 PM (LG109)

957 So....We can drop the f bomb at AOSHQ now?
Posted by: small town girl, crusader at April 02, 2015 03:17 PM (rvtDF)

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Are you a Platinum Member?

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2015 03:18 PM (/HX7u)

958 You continue to echo the thoughts bouncing around in my head. I wish I could write as well as you.

Posted by: alex brown at April 02, 2015 03:20 PM (r17bn)

959 Queers make me uncomfortable - so I avoid them when I see them. An average looking or better Lesbian, however, is extremely hot.

And anybody who doesn't approve of my obvious double standard can kiss my ass because I'll do as I please since I'm a grown ass man.

The End.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 02, 2015 03:06 PM (VfCmK)

Yeah, why the hell is that??? I'm the same way. The 2 dude thing grosses me out really bad, but 2 decent looking women don't. I'll admit, I have spent a few nights with a few extremely hot Bi chicks, and it was more fucking fun than mortal man should be allowed, and I highly recommend it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 03:20 PM (FMbng)

960 How many years does it the to get vested Soona? Been here since '07.

Posted by: small town girl, crusader at April 02, 2015 03:20 PM (rvtDF)

961 I haven't got a clue who Bill Quick is, but it's nice to see Ace back in prime fighting condition.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 02, 2015 03:20 PM (IbjZr)

962 Glad you didn't stop, that was a good one. Glad you fully woke up, too. It's a painful journey, isn't it, but well worth it.

Posted by: halodoc at April 02, 2015 03:21 PM (Fzbp3)

963 So kindly go fuck yourself.

I'm not sure why you're being nice to this totalitarian piece of garbage...

Posted by: GMan at April 02, 2015 03:22 PM (sxq57)

964 Dear Ace,

You didn't tell Bill "Go fuck yourself" enough times in that post.

Posted by: Otto Zilch at April 02, 2015 03:22 PM (zhhGF)

965 "So male on male anal sex terrifies you but people sending death treats to a pizza place doesn't"

Straw man. Speaking for myself, and I'll assume for others here, M-M anal doesn't "terrify" me - this is the "homophobic" fallacy. It's revolting, not terrifying. The feeling I experience is disgust, not fear.

Your being sloppy and loose with your emotions in this argument - no one but the pizza parlor is "terrified" of the death threats.

So let's review - I'm disgusted and revolted by M-M anal (frankly not a big fan of hetero anal - it's a law of nature, not a suggestion or guideline). I'm angered by death threats to Christians.

You can project whatever emotions you like onto straw man homophobes, but here in the desert of the real, that's how it is.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 02, 2015 03:22 PM (QKIQb)

966 "Its a bad idea - for the religion and the state - to have an official state religion. But a culture cannot exist without a shared dominant faith. What we're experiencing right now is a struggle for a leftist religion to dominate. Any other religion that gets in the way that has any real power or influence on culture or law (Christianity, Judaism) must be crushed."
This is valid and true.

#1. The official state religion has a one of its faith-based shibboleths the belief in the inherent sameness of peoples, across genders, ethnicity and background - often ignoring real genetic and cultural differences. We are all equal - not under the eyes of God (who doesnt exist, see #2) but ... period. nobody is better than anyone else, since morality is relative. No one may contradict the tenets of the religion without being branded an outcast (sexist, racist, bigot, etc) and no company or public expression (including scientific results or professorial statements - see Jensen, Charles Murray, Summers, etc) may disagree.

#2 The official state religion is secular, materialist and humanist. No laws can be made that contradict it. In particular, any law built on moral or religious bases will be branded 'no rational basis' and invalid under the New Religion.

#3 it is also internationalist. America is exceptional of course, but so is Greece, so is Romania, so is Sierra Leone. We are all equally exceptional and any claims otherwise are cultural imperialism against #1.#4 The official state religion is incapable of self-criticism. Comparing it to communism will be laughed at.Callng it dogma will be deems objectionable and any objection will be viewed as a violation of #1 and called ... you guessed it "sexist, racist, bigot, homophobe ...").

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 02, 2015 03:22 PM (FLBHk)

967 No one dying on any hill here......except the homosexuals who decide that dangerous sex is so important that they must push it on our kids in order to not die alone and ashamed.

But thank goodness our kids know the dangers of smoking!!!!

Posted by: pam at April 02, 2015 03:22 PM (cgrL5)

968
Alexthechick i have already replied to your stupid question in a previous post. I am not going to repeat myself especially with a member of the homofascist crowd. The topic was the quote of Dan R. (forgot his last name).
Stop pestering me with your stupid questions. To me homosexuals and their hetero fascist supporters are stealing the crown to isis as the most disgusting Group of people on the planet and absolutely not for how they take cocks up their asses.
Sending threats to pizza places. Is there anything lower? Do we need to wait for the first corpse in the name of equality?
Jesus christ you fought several wars to get rid of the arrogance of english aristocrats and now you are caving in to a bunch of faggots.
How the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:22 PM (LKY8c)

969 It was a fanticful read, but I fear its coming closer...

http://tinyurl.com/ndfjvo9

Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at April 02, 2015 03:25 PM (zL/eJ)

970 One of Ace's best posts, ever. (At least, one of the best without elbows.)

But there is just one thing: Just who are these (implied) many social conservatives who are so big on uniformity? Yes, I know there are some, but those who do are anything but representative of the traditional wing of conservatism. There you will find, about as far back as you go, a strong bias for localism, and particularism. I am not speaking of libertarians here, but of undeniable trads. People like Eliot, Kirk, Waugh. To the extent Chesterton qualifies as a conservative, it is precisely here.

(And I must note that there is a disconcertingly high number of libertarians who don't seem to object to corporate uniformity, just so long as the government doesn't mandate it. Great way to keep a nation of independent-minded citizens.)

Posted by: George LeS at April 02, 2015 03:27 PM (e+fcz)

971 I haven't read all the comments on this great post, but did anyone suggest having freedom here, and then not letting in Muslims (and socialists, but unfortunately they are harder to identify)?

Posted by: Randy M at April 02, 2015 03:28 PM (9Tozr)

972 Alexthechick i have already replied to your stupid question in a previous post. I am not going to repeat myself especially with a member of the homofascist crowd.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:22 PM (LKY8c)

One point though. Alex the chick is a sweetheart, and is theeee farthest thing from a homofascist. You are right on target with the homofascist, but AtC isn't one of them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 03:31 PM (FMbng)

973 Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:22 PM (LKY8c)

I did not see your prior response but did you the courtesy of hunting to find it. Thank you for taking the time to do so.

I note that you did not and will not answer the question of whether you believe I should be executed. Duly noted.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 03:32 PM (mf5HN)

974 Has anyone seen a statement from Tim Cook asking people to refrain from terroristic threats?

Yeah, me either.

Posted by: OCBill at April 02, 2015 03:33 PM (YJvVE)

975 "Straw man. Speaking for myself, and I'll assume for others here, M-M anal doesn't "terrify" me - this is the "homophobic" fallacy. It's revolting, not terrifying. The feeling I experience is disgust, not fear.

Your being sloppy and loose with your emotions in this argument - no one but the pizza parlor is "terrified" of the death threats. "

the post was not for you, however, it is bone chilling that death threats to a business owner for such trivial reasons are minor things.

Anal sex does not affect your life since you can avoid watching it or even avoid thinking that it exist.

Death threats could also come to your business or your family for having a different opinion.

Sorry if you think this is a straw men argument, you better not reply to me. I bet even jewish shops in the 30s thought that death threats were not a big deal.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:33 PM (LKY8c)

976 "I note that you did not and will not answer the question of whether you believe I should be executed. Duly noted. "

the answer, lengthy and accurate is in the other thread. If you want to read it, go there, if you want me to re-paste it, you can fuck off. Why should I do this service to you? Because you are ghey and feel entitled to it?

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:37 PM (LKY8c)

977 "One point though. Alex the chick is a sweetheart, and is theeee farthest thing from a homofascist. You are right on target with the homofascist, but AtC isn't one of them."

I do not have any evidence of that and your testimony is not enough.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:38 PM (LKY8c)

978 This post starts off strong but ends up sounding like a Libertarian Party argument for legal abortion etc etc. Since when did the "conservatives of 1988" try to impose Corporate Conformity on anyone? Oh, you mean "imposing" a prohibition on murdering innocents? I guess that was really all about controlling the culture and stifling the free expression of the youth, or something, right?

Posted by: joeclark77 at April 02, 2015 03:38 PM (QNXq0)

979 Beserker ...

... I think it's because we see Two Average or Better Lesbians and think "Wow - I'd like to be in the middle of that".

Two Queers ... Not so much.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 02, 2015 03:39 PM (VfCmK)

980 the answer, lengthy and accurate is in the other thread

Which other thread? I'll look it up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at April 02, 2015 03:41 PM (JtwS4)

981 "Do you have a solution in mind?

Posted by: Bandersnatch"

Russias laws, China's laws.

Japan does not have any law protecting gheys or any bullshit ghey marriage (unfortunately they allow some ghey pride parade). I do not see why they are wrong.

Considering how things are getting bad, I would suggest a more Russian approach.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:42 PM (LKY8c)

982 I'm Late to the party again. Muslim rules cabs just need to fly a crescent flag - case solved.

Posted by: anon2020 at April 02, 2015 03:43 PM (DEsFp)

983 Beserker ...

... I think it's because we see Two Average or Better Lesbians and think "Wow - I'd like to be in the middle of that".

Two Queers ... Not so much.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 02, 2015 03:39 PM (VfCmK)

Yeah, you're right. Must come with the granite man card. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 02, 2015 03:44 PM (FMbng)

984 Although ... From a purely competitive perspective, I'd like to see more dudes join Team Queer.

More wimmens for me !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 02, 2015 03:44 PM (VfCmK)

985 Rod Dreher: Is a So-Called "American Government" Which Attacks the Very Liberty of Conscience the Nation Was Founded Upon Any Longer Owed Allegiance

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:45 PM (LKY8c)

986 the answer, lengthy and accurate is in the other thread. If you want to read it, go there, if you want me to re-paste it, you can fuck off. Why should I do this service to you? Because you are ghey and feel entitled to it?
Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 03:37 PM (LKY8c)

It is very curious that you interpreted my saying that I went and found it and thanking you for taking the time to reply as my somehow demanding you repaste it. I did not make any such request.

I read and comprehended every word you wrote. I also noted what was not said.

You have made your statements. I thank you for taking the time to do so. You asked that I not pester you with those questions any longer. I did not address any questions to you.

How you believe that is my acting entitled is rather beyond any rational interpretation.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 02, 2015 03:45 PM (mf5HN)

987 "My primary concern is to increase individual liberty as much as possible in the face of statist efforts to restrict it "

Bill Quick

Apparently you increase individual liberty by restricting it.

Posted by: hygate at April 02, 2015 03:51 PM (iyzFk)

988 The thing is, guys just aren't as aesthetically pleasing as women. There's a reason women's magazines are packed with beautiful and often topless women, but mens magazines are full of... beautiful and often naked women. You'd expect Cosmo to be wall to wall sausage but its hot girls. Because girls are better to look at than guys.

So two women doing the nasty... twice the aesthetic beauty. Two guys... lumpy, hairy, smelly times two.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 03:52 PM (39g3+)

989 Damn, Ace.
That's the best 100,000-word movie review I've ever read.

(Slides some hobo jerky through the USB port)

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 02, 2015 03:53 PM (4X5NS)

990 somehow demanding you repaste it.

Was there anything worth un-ignoring and searching for. Will there be raptoring? or even more epic wit?

Posted by: DaveA at April 02, 2015 03:53 PM (DL2i+)

991 I want to go on record here noting that no one who is truly libertarian can possibly oppose the RFRA or its variants. If you oppose this, then you are not libertarian, you're just a leftist who wants the government to not bother you personally.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 03:53 PM (39g3+)

992 Quick isn't very smart, but he is crafty in the sense of "punching up."

Attacking Ace gets him 100 times the attention of just ranting in his little echo chamber.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 02, 2015 03:56 PM (QIQ6j)

993 Daniel Greenfield, the Sultan of Knish, has a fantastic call to arms on this today: "This Culture War We're In."

He's on fire.

Posted by: Beverly at April 02, 2015 03:56 PM (0/VgD)

994 Bill Quick is in most cases a libertarian. He is also an elderly bachelor who likes mid-century interior design, lives in San Francisco, and for some reason is VERY touchy about gay rights.

Posted by: Former Daily Pundit Reader at April 02, 2015 03:57 PM (W12LB)

995 "the post was not for you, however, it is bone chilling that death
threats to a business owner for such trivial reasons are minor things....Sorry if you think this is a straw men argument, you better not
reply to me. I bet even jewish shops in the 30s thought that death
threats were not a big deal."

You're firing in all directions on this. Read what I said, not what the voices are telling you - you're the one who went on about anal being "terrifying" but then you go "whatevs" on me in your response, and then you double-down on "bone-chilling" rather than "bone pissed off" which is what I am over the threats, not trivializing them.

Some of us have owned up to being uncomfortable with gays and you've apparently decided that's not DWTC enough for your tastes, or who knows what?

As for "you better not reply to me," please clarify. If you didn't say what I'm claiming you did in constructing a straw man, I'm all ears.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 02, 2015 03:59 PM (QKIQb)

996 "The thing is, guys just aren't as aesthetically pleasing as women. There's a reason women's magazines are packed with beautiful and often topless women, but mens magazines are full of... beautiful and often naked women. You'd expect Cosmo to be wall to wall sausage but its hot girls. Because girls are better to look at than guys. "

to be fair, old greek art pieces represented homosexual acts, therefore there is some aesthetic beauty to the male body. True that the canons of beauty have changed, however, if you look at the sculptures, many naked men are men (David by Michelangelo etc).

I agree that what is considered 'hot' by ghey males is NOT most of the times what it is considered hot by hetero women.

However I am appalled that the crux of the matter is icky sex and not the will to send believers to catacombs.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 04:01 PM (LKY8c)

997 Quick's commentary is retarded. The federal religious restoration act was enacted with support from both conservative Christians and the ACLU. The case that caused it to be proposed was the Supreme Court finding against a small sect wanting to use a psychotropic drug in their ceremonies. Christians are well aware of the fact that its not just their religious rights that are being protected. We don't have any problem with that. Why should we?

I think ace hit the nail on the head when he said that our society seems to be headed toward a bland conformity. A sort of grey goo for anyone who is familiar with AI, but without the AI. Secular culture seems to be inimical to differences. Just look at modern architecture.

Posted by: hygate at April 02, 2015 04:05 PM (iyzFk)

998 I know there is a new thread but I just want to be on record as saying this was a great post.

Nailed it.

Nailed it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 02, 2015 04:06 PM (A98Xu)

999 And we made it to...

Posted by: Harley Quinn at April 02, 2015 04:09 PM (pspwS)

1000 I only know one person in real life that talks this way.

Since you have my email in both places, do I know you in another sphere Ace? If not, I know your linguistic twin. And I like him, in spite of it...

Now to the point: Yes, most "Conservatives" think this is still 1988 and they are still the Majority in the this country. And that is the entire crux of the GOP problems. Half the party will not move into 2014, look around and see that the world has changed, there is no moral majority, there is a immoral majority, and nit picking at small disagreements on the right will not make us safe from the Totalitarian Left.

That wasn't your point? Oh. Well it's mine.

Also, the stupid question about if it's okay for a Muslim business owner to set his own dress code? Good Grief! Of course it is! It's his establishment! His house, his rules!!!! As long as nobody is forced to go to his house, why would the government care?

Unless they are just plain busybodies, and the left are busybodies. All of them. And liars. All of them.

Posted by: petunia at April 02, 2015 04:09 PM (VoCyE)

1001 I see a problem, too: The things that the moslems do won't stop at refusing to pick up passengers who have a dog with them. When they reach a certain percentage of a population, they always -- Always -- start making more harmful demands.

At some point, we have to draw the line in the name of the values of Western civilization: you know, we "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" types. We "anti-war-crimes" types. We "don't treat women and children like animals" types.

Read Jean Raspail's "The Camp of the Saints": published in 1975, it could have been written yesterday. He skewers the Frenchmen of his day for selling out their own civilization in the name of tolerance and lefty "multiculturalism." And really, at base, it's cowardice.

Posted by: Beverly at April 02, 2015 04:09 PM (0/VgD)

1002 1000!!!!!!

Posted by: Harley Quinn at April 02, 2015 04:10 PM (pspwS)

1003 Damn you people -.-

Posted by: Harley Quinn at April 02, 2015 04:10 PM (pspwS)

1004 Judging by Bill's comments sections either no one gives a shit about him or he's busy with the delete key. Although undoubtedly option one, I'd guess.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 02, 2015 04:11 PM (kivUY)

1005 I wanted to be 1000th - the Firstest in the new millennium of this post. But as usual, I missed the boat.

En Fuego, little Ewok. En Fuego.

Posted by: RightWingProf at April 02, 2015 04:11 PM (PMMxk)

1006 "I support freedom, up to the point it causes disorder or inconvenience"

That includes you lazy Sabitarians too. Your not keeping the Sabbath holy.

We all know you are secretly lazy. You f-ing won't take my messages when my toilets clogged, or I let me have a three hour brunch eat at your eating establishment on Sunday afternoon.

Posted by: Washington Post commentor at April 02, 2015 04:11 PM (bpemY)

1007
Awesome rant.

1000 and counting. That's good rantin.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2015 04:13 PM (oraf/)

1008 Fat clotted head was the key line.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2015 04:14 PM (oraf/)

1009 "Some of us have owned up to being uncomfortable with gays and you've apparently decided that's not DWTC enough for your tastes, or who knows what? "

I am uncomfortable with gheys for what they do OUTSIDE of the bed (or bathhouses) because, being intellectually honest if I cared about what people do in bed, I should also be worried about the serial hetero womanizer or if such serial womanizer does anal to women, which I am not.

In random order these are the things that bothers me=

gheys raising children depriving them of mother/father
gheys demanding special quotas at work
gheys spreading booklets on how good is the ghey lifestyle
gheys lying about the nature of their condition
gheys lying about their intent
gheys targeting people with different but reasonable and well presented opinions
gheys lying about effects of laws to stir up troubles
gheys playing victimhood making up hoaxes

the list goes on, but as you can see, none of the above has to do with the sex act per se or what a priest would say or things written in holy books

gheys= I mean always gheys themselves and their hetero supporters even among 'conservatives'

If you are not bothered by any of the above but just by the anal act, so you agree when a fascist LGBT policy is enacted by a heterosexual leftist activist because this person does not kiss another man?

I do not understand this.

The above list has the homo agenda as laid out by the commie agitators of the 70s and 80s. Whether they enact it showing you that they kiss in the mouth or they simply sit on a chair with a nice suit makes no difference to me.

I am not as distracted by the visuals as I am bothered by the content

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 04:15 PM (LKY8c)

1010 The solution is clear. We must establish a Homosexual Homeland.

I nominate ... Queermont !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 02, 2015 04:16 PM (yDqYW)

1011 Let me add that if you are in a restaurant enjoying a meal with family or friends and these jacloffs barge in screaming ahole lives matter and ask you to raise your hand if you agree, DON'T. Do not let them intimidate or embarrass you. Politely ask the management to have them removed or ask for your money back.

Posted by: Buffalobob at April 02, 2015 04:21 PM (ecWsB)

1012
You can thank (or damn) Ted Kennedy and his 1965 immigration law
("hey, I've got a great idea: lets invite into the U.S. millions more
people from the countries of the world that hate us most, and whose
citizens will be least able to adapt to the American culture!")"

But Teddy had his reasons. He WANTED to undermine America and import welfare state clients.

What's OUR excuse?

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 02, 2015 04:29 PM (FLBHk)

1013 I do have to wonder who these rabidly anti-freedom social conservatives are people keep bringing up, too. Its a regularly proclaimed and placarded bugbear but who are they?

Which policies has Santorum actually called for that reduce your freedom?

And if they are there, how do they compare to what the Obama administration did in the first term alone??

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2015 04:32 PM (39g3+)

1014 Subtle.

Posted by: bopiddy at April 02, 2015 04:38 PM (9HJf4)

1015 You certainly have more commenters than this Quick guy: we know talent and we know bullshit.

Posted by: just checked at April 02, 2015 04:39 PM (3MNCs)

1016 Awesome!

Posted by: OutspokenRed at April 02, 2015 04:46 PM (BhtTT)

1017
You once again had me forever at "the grey paste we feed to coma patients>"

Happy Easter, Ace, may you get bunny pudding cups of earthly delight in ewok bliss, with a side of pulled hobo washed down with Valu-Rite, forever and ever amen.

All I could think while reading this epic is that the new grey paste world had its anthem written a generation ago: "Imagine".

How I hate that ****ing song, more and more the older I get.

Posted by: barbarausa at April 02, 2015 04:47 PM (DyGWm)

1018 I think this is your best post yet, Ace.

Posted by: Mary at April 02, 2015 04:48 PM (2ly7u)

1019 That's why I lurk this site. Thanks for making the case about Liberty. And proud nails.

Posted by: to flame or not to flame at April 02, 2015 04:48 PM (MPLl2)

1020 Okay, I'm gonna make a couple of comments that are sure to endear me to everyone here, but not really.

1) Bill Quick is the author of one of the best cyberpunk trilogies that I have ever read. You may or may not like it, but if you like cyberpunk, you'llbe hard pressed to find better. Also, his current novel "Lightning Fall" is a great disaster read. As someone who works in power generation, I have pretty good insight as to how vulnerable our grid is and he goes a great job with it. He's also written numerous other novels/novella/short stories that I haven't gotten around to reading yet. My guess is that they're all pretty good. So please take your "anyone can be a published author these days" comment and set fire to them in your rectum. Oh, and as far as his multitude of Amazon links, he would be the first one to tell you that, like many others, he invested...poorly before the Internet bubble burst. I'm gonna guess that he's not the only one.

2) I have had this argument over at his place many times. He and I disagree quite strongly on this topic. He says that there's an argument to be made about allowing TOTAL free association, where anyone can say "go the fuck away" to anyone for any reason. However, he admits that he doesn't want to live in that society. I understand his point of view, but I don't share it. Truth: I was once told to get out of a minority owned shop because, you know, "whitey" and all. I left. Why would I want to do business with someone who didn't want me there? When he brings up the "oh, you'd be okay with someone refusing to do business with [insert any group here]?", I respond that of course I would. Let the market sort it out. If someone is an asshole to a particular group of people, the odds are high that said person's business won't survive.

3) Oh, and to the asshole making ISIS like comments to AtC? Please dive headfirst into a septic tank and open your mouth wide to scream for help. Be sure to open it again to scream when you hear me nailing the lid shut. On the plus side, you'll be surrounded by your fellow travelers in the universe, so you'll have that going for you.

Crikey, now I need a drink. I'm thinking a yard of Val-U-Rite might do the trick.

Posted by: physics geek at April 02, 2015 04:51 PM (MT22W)

1021 Well written and I agree that you should be able to fly your freak flag after work but I also agree that employers should be allowed to fire at will. Both actions are part of liberty.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 02, 2015 04:54 PM (sIhFA)

1022 physics geek
fuck off to you too

it's your fucking country that's discussing about death threats to a pizza parlor. And no, the pizza place has not 'been an asshole' to precious gheys, but they are receiving death threats.

In my country any faggot requesting such services for his 'marriage' will be laughed and shown the door and no lawyer would pick up his cause because no normal country has got idiotic accommodation laws.

So you are in the septic tank, not me. But you are too fucking stupid to notice you are in a sea of shit.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 02, 2015 05:05 PM (LKY8c)

1023
Also, I think Christians SHOULD be hoping there IS a gay gene. If one can be found, and you can isolate it in utero, gays will turn pro-life so fast that heads will be spinning!

Posted by: LizLem at April 02, 2015 02:55 PM (yRwC

I agree. I'm more concerned about abortion than what somebody else is doing with their sexual organs. My personal belief is that some people are born leaning that way, just like some people are born leaning towards addiction to alcohol or smoking. I also think there's more than a few who have been broken by sexual abuse and I also believe that some people actually choose it after having an unpleasant heterosexual experience. I'm not a scientist so those are just my opinions. On a personal note, I've only known 4 or 5 open homosexuals and only one of them told me they felt born that way, the others were sexually abused as young children. It was heartbreaking to hear their stories, but I was glad they felt comfortable enough to tell me about their childhoods. There was one guy named Bob that told me he wished he could be like me, but felt like it was too late to change. It was heartbreaking because I couldn't change his mind about God forgiving any sin if he'd simply ask for it.

I noticed on that gofundme page that there were a lot of donations from people who were gay, but still thought it was wrong to force people to participate in behavior that their religions disapproved of. There might still be hope for this country yet.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 02, 2015 05:15 PM (IbjZr)

1024 Please don't badmouth corporations. Almost all businesses are incorporated, including (most likely) this pizzeria. Corporations have nothing to do with culture, whatsoever, they are to create legal protection for the owners.

Posted by: Steven S. at April 02, 2015 05:20 PM (JpEvT)

1025 Good for you Ace. I'm glad you struck back. I generally respect Bill Quick and I read his blog every day but whenTed Cruz announced that he believes that a path to citizenship for illegals may be a necessity it stripped his mental gearbox. Now he's spinning out of control as he punches the redline. And he's sounding more and more like obama every day,.

Posted by: SineWaveII at April 02, 2015 05:32 PM (tiXQU)

1026 Well Geez--why don't you just go on and tell that asshole Bill Quick what you really think of him?

Why are you holding back? Let 'er rip and get er dun.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 02, 2015 05:41 PM (3rLmo)

1027 I support freedom, up to the point it causes disorder or inconvenience. But don't call me an authoritarian. I command you to never call me that.

Posted by: FireHorse at April 02, 2015 05:46 PM (SgXEz)

1028 I support people using this "Muslim owned business" argument because it instantly outs the speaker as a complete fucking idiot.

Posted by: Beth at April 02, 2015 06:02 PM (Epq7Y)

1029 Good stuff from Ace. Absolutely agree about the Corporate/business stuff, you are there to do you job and get along with others (unless you job is to disrupt stuff).
We live in a free society, and business owners have the right to serve who they want to. If they won't serve me, there are plenty of other places to go.
The observations about Muslim businesses are spot on as well, if that is their belief system then no one forces you into a Muslim owned shop if you don't want to go.
Same thing with a Pizza place that would not cater a gay wedding.

Posted by: standfast24 at April 02, 2015 06:08 PM (wx/BY)

1030 Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2015 02:41 PM (0FSuD)

That was my first thought as well, it's already happened. I guess Bill Quick lives under a rock. This Quick fellow is anything but, well, quick.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 02, 2015 06:10 PM (rldyO)

1031 I just have to say this was one of, if not THE best post Ace has written. It resonated with me, and I thank him for writing it.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at April 02, 2015 06:19 PM (xOu6p)

1032
I just have to say this was one of, if not THE best post Ace has written. It resonated with me, and I thank him for writing it.

Agree.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2015 06:39 PM (MDgS8)

1033 I thoroughly enjoyed this rant, Ace. Good on you.

Posted by: John the Libertarian at April 02, 2015 06:42 PM (Jk/zI)

1034 AMEN!!!
I totally love this Ace. You are most always spot on and I always enjoy reading your stuff. You can pull out all the nuance in a subject and just straighten it out.

Thanks!!

Posted by: Terri at April 02, 2015 06:46 PM (ydgnS)

1035 Man, Quick sure has a lot of sand in his tender vajayjay. He and a lot of the libertines (oh, I'm sorry, "libertarians") seem to be awfully butthurt that someone, somewhere, might have some moral objections to their depravities. Why, one might be led to the conclusion that they have guilty consciences, what with all the effort they're putting into stifling any hint of that!

More seriously, I've been calling myself libertarian-ish for a while and after the Reason MJ-fiends at "Reason" embarrassed themselves, I think I'm going to stop identifying myself as one. (Though I do have to admit that while most of the bloggers have lost their marbles, many of the commenters seem to have their heads bolted on straight and are calling Robby and Nick out on their bullshit) If standing firm on actual individual liberty as outlined by the Constitution makes me a socon, I guess that makes me a socon. I thought it made me a libertarian, but apparently my lack of enthusiasm for the legalization of recreational pharmaceuticals in lieu of actual civil liberties means I'm not one.

Posted by: Saber Alter at April 02, 2015 06:51 PM (eawKK)

1036 Yay ace. That was awesome. And quadruple digits in the grey comments. Brilliant.

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at April 02, 2015 07:34 PM (KrRs0)

1037 thank you, Kind Correspondents.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2015 07:52 PM (PA7DS)

1038 "The thing is, guys just aren't as aesthetically pleasing as women."

I know a lot of people who would rate this as FALSE.

Posted by: Bradley Cooper Beams His Blue Sex Laser Eyes At You at April 02, 2015 07:56 PM (PA7DS)

1039 Hands-down all-time greatest blog post ever.

Posted by: Bitsko at April 02, 2015 08:34 PM (Qis9s)

1040 FUCK YES!!!! BANANA SPLITS 4EVER!!!!! WOOOOOO!!

Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at April 02, 2015 08:50 PM (3ha32)

1041 I don't post here much, but goddammit Ace, that was beautiful.

Posted by: halfastro at April 02, 2015 09:25 PM (oPGWT)

1042 Nailed it, Ace!

Posted by: Sunkmanitu Tanka Owaci at April 02, 2015 09:49 PM (1vAkp)

1043 Beautiful.

Think the sheep will get it? Naw, it's too cosy in Mom's basement.

Posted by: tired at April 02, 2015 10:10 PM (adOUE)

1044 As a daily reader of both AOSHQ and Daily Pundit I think a lot of folks are being too hasty in jumping on Quick. His position is not less principled than Aces, they just disagree on which principle should take precedence and his point is a good one.

How would you feel walking past rows of shops with signs in the window "NO BLACKS" or "COLORED ENTRANCE AROUND BACK". He's lived in that time and says it was an ugly thing, I believe him. Just imagining it now I think it would be an ugly thing.

Being able to refuse service for ANY reason seems to be too far in that direction. Being unable to refuse service for ANY reason is also too far to the extreme. This is a complex issue of how much discrimination are we prepared to tolerate at the cost of liberty. None or All are not good answers.

Posted by: Mr Black at April 02, 2015 11:31 PM (+vHE0)

1045 A taxi is a common carrier. Common carriers have to take anyone who can pay the fare and can't decline a passenger without cause. This makes sense for the reasons you describe.

Posted by: Cc at April 03, 2015 12:42 AM (pQmye)

1046 Sorry, Ace, ol' buck-o...

I fully realize this is an unpopular view with you and some others hereabouts, but - 1) You're not always correct, nor even "on the beam"; 2) You entirely screwed the pooch on this one, totally missing the point(s) Bill was making to you (and sundry others); and 3) As a result, you utterly shit the bed on this one...

T'aint about personal freedom, or "Big-Gubment"-supported Grey Goo Blandifyin', or even Absolute Freedom (which is, in reality, total anarchy), or any of that-there - it's all about Individual Freedom To Discriminate Vs. Public-Serving Business' (Non-)Freedom To Discriminate (On Account-A That's The Law)

Better luck next time, an' all that...

ThatIsAll

Posted by: J.S.Bridges at April 03, 2015 04:27 AM (DsGWS)

1047 (...sorry 'bout that, didn't really intend those strike-throughs...)

BTW - If y'all wanna read a bit more carefully, Bill doesn't seem to have been riled-up - or even heated, in any way - he came off as more sarcastically amused than anything else.

As always, YMMV.

Posted by: J.S.Bridges at April 03, 2015 04:31 AM (DsGWS)

1048 No Bridges, it's not just about that. If that's all it was then maybe fewer people would take an interest. It is part and parcel of the lefts culture war against the right. They use gays now as it's convenient to, they have no actual interest in individual rights, they're statists for godsake. Ace is making a plea (I think) for us to draw a goddam line in the sand before the freedom to be different is totally wiped out.

In the name of tolerance.

Posted by: Mr Black at April 03, 2015 07:16 AM (+vHE0)

1049 In all seriousness, why would anybody want to eat food prepared by someone who was forced against their will to cook it? What kind of quality cake/food/photography are you going to get when you force someone to provide it for you?

Oops! None of the pictures I took are in focus. Sorry about that.

Wow! I must have used way too much salt in that food. Sorry.

Oh, wow! I must have used the salt instead of sugar in that frosting. Sorry.

How's this for an idea? If you want your event (any event) catered, you find a caterer who wants to prepare food for you in exchange for money. If you want photographs taken, find someone who wants to do a good job for you in exchange for money. If you want a cake, find someone who wants to sell one to you.

If you can't find anybody willing to provide these things to you, do them yourself. You might even consider opening a business to provide those things to people like yourself. Advertise that you welcome the business of people like you. If you're good at it, and there are enough people like you, you might even run the other guys out of business.

Posted by: David1221 at April 03, 2015 08:47 AM (5naCt)

1050 DailyPundit seems crashed.

Please tell me that it isn't a DDOS attack.

Posted by: Sinner at April 03, 2015 09:25 AM (yiaFo)

1051 What Quick seems to want is essentially what England has become. A place where individual thought and choice more often than not gets one thrown in jail, or sent off for what amounts to "social re-education".

"What the fuck are we, babies?"

Have you taken a look at 90% of elected officials lately? We're on the same trajectory. And you're exactly right: It's terrifying.

Posted by: Mr. Lion at April 03, 2015 09:32 AM (xorFN)

1052 Ace,

The "Blogosphere" minus one commends you.

Maybe we should rename it the "Ace-o-sphere".

Posted by: Hangtown Bob at April 03, 2015 09:35 AM (oMXMR)

1053 You are describing an America that no longer exists at the federal level and is now going state by state "transforming" into a world of "fairness".

The mainstream ivory tower press is void of facts or relevance; they are now the communications wing of the Democrat party. The Democrat party is neither; it is not a party nor is it Democratic.

With the combination of Barry giving up my children's future to Iran so he can please his masters Valarie Jarrett and the Rothchilds, and the press in full-retard mode with the RFRA attacks, there is no set of values left in DC or many corporate boards to defend any more. Hey Tim Scott, you smear Indiana for religious protections yet you just cash the checks from your Saudi Arabian Apple store while they hang gay people at will. Fu*k you.

And yes, 50 million hunting rifles and nearly unlimited ammo will take out an occupying army, no matter who they lie about representing. There are more former military that are trained and armed than Obama's current army. Sure they have the big toys, but we know where their relatives live. You can't dream how ugly it is going to get. You should probably wean yourself off of Twitter now while you have time.

War is coming. Get ready.

Posted by: chemTrails at April 03, 2015 10:55 AM (/WaV2)

1054 Not to worry Americans, I'm taking the cyanide on Peasch so you won't have BHO to kick around anymore.

Posted by: cuchieddie at April 03, 2015 11:17 AM (BYOka)

1055 The muslim driver takes your fare and then tells you he is on a jihad for Allah and is about to blow himself up and wants to take you with him, to comfort him in the next life. Are you going to be an intolerant, insensitive BASTARD and get out of his cab ? You don't want to be racist, homophobic, AND ISLAMOPHOBIC, DO YOU ?
Show him how sensitive and openminded you are. Gently take the plunger from him and push it for him, just to prove you not what the leftist accuse you of.

Posted by: ron n. at April 04, 2015 03:31 PM (YVQn/)

1056 I have a problem with booze being illegal in one county and not in the next, because it's a violation of property rights.
I say this as someone who doesn't drink more than one shot a month, and no beer.

Posted by: JP at April 06, 2015 09:31 AM (G/6mC)

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