The 'This is Not the Hill to Die On' Poll - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse]

The political season has kicked off with another Clinton scandal and with Jeb Bush suggesting we wear devices which will tattle to our doctors when we skip a dose of medicine.

Did I hear that correctly? Did he actually suggest that?

Last week you voted on those issues that were so important to you that no amount of wiggle room is acceptable. You stated firmly those issues you consider the hill to die on. As of this morning, more than 8k votes have been cast and the Top ~~Three~~ Four Issues
were clear:

Conservative Issues/Positions:

1. Second Amendment - Pro Gun Rights: 1,249 votes
2. Size of Federal Government - For Shedding or Shrinking Departments: 1,238 votes
3. Immigration - Against Shortcut to Citizenship: 1,184 votes
4. Affordable Care Act - Pro Repeal/Replace: 1,142 votes

After these, the number of votes per issue dropped precipitously with fifth place, 'States Rights - Moving Decision-Making Back to the States', garnering only 706 votes.

More than a few Liberal votes were sprinkled in as well. Thanks to those who brave the waters here at the HQ to learn about/laugh about those of us in opposition to your favorite policies. It takes all kinds...

Liberal Issues/Positions:

1. Second Amendment - Pro Gun Control: 63 votes
2. Affordable Care Act - Pro ACA: 25 votes
3. Abortion - Pro Choice Stance: 21 votes
4. Immigration - For a Shortcut to Citizenship: 15 votes

So, now that you've established those issues upon which there can be no compromise, let's look at it from the opposite angle:

Of the following issues, though each is important in its own right, which do not rise to the standard of 'Hill to Die On'?

This vote is about compromise. You're saying that although you'll fight tooth and nail for some issues, that still others may have to be sacrificed in that fight.

The list of possible answers remains the same as last week. Choose up to three issues on which you are willing to compromise when casting your vote.

Happy voting.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 05:46 PM

Comments

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1 Wait a dang minute!

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at March 14, 2015 05:46 PM (jYPbX)

2 My one vote may have skewed the polls gayward.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 14, 2015 05:48 PM (KH1sk)

3 Whoa! Didn't expect to see VA Reform get any votes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 05:50 PM (DmNpO)

4 4
[Now expecting a new thread.]

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 05:52 PM (NUqwG)

5 We need to stop compromising. When do the progtards ever compromise? Compromise is just another word for "bipartisan" Bipartisan is just another way to say "jawn bayner"

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 05:52 PM (U7H1n)

6 Wait. There are some gay rights advocates willing to sacrifice gay marriage?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 05:52 PM (DmNpO)

7 We need to stop compromising. When do the progtards ever compromise? Compromise is just another word for "bipartisan" Bipartisan is just another way to say "jawn bayner"

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Only children expect to get everything they want every time they want it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 05:53 PM (DmNpO)

8 "Only children expect to get everything they want every time they want it."

What have we gotten lately?

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 05:54 PM (U7H1n)

9
established those issues upon which there can be no compromise....

That the Republicans have and will compromise on.

And yes, that includes the 2nd. Just wait until the next pol catches a bullet. It will be hand-holding time at the State of the Union again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 14, 2015 05:54 PM (kdS6q)

10 Your poll confuses me.

What is this, 'compromise', you speak of?

Posted by: Garrett at March 14, 2015 05:54 PM (svkE3)

11 Only children expect to get everything they want every time they want it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 05:53 PM (DmNpO)
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Being a non-child I am happy to get a bit of what I want on rare occasions.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 05:54 PM (NUqwG)

12 Control of the HoR for the last 4 years. Now control of the Senate. What have we got?

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 05:55 PM (U7H1n)

13 That the Republicans have and will compromise on.
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In campaign speeches and stupid letters we compromise nothing, on votes we compromise all.

Posted by: The battling GOP at March 14, 2015 05:55 PM (NUqwG)

14 Kudlow summed it up on Bush today. Jeb is too cozy with the money and not cozy with the citizens.

Posted by: redenzo at March 14, 2015 05:57 PM (WCnJW)

15 Kudlow summed it up on Bush today. Jeb is too cozy with the money and not cozy with the citizens.
Posted by: redenzo at March 14, 2015 05:57 PM (WCnJW)
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He IS the front runner then.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 05:58 PM (NUqwG)

16 Yeah, is this compromise against the base's beliefs or compromise against my own?

Cuz it's easy for me to "compromise" for things I'm in favor of.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 14, 2015 05:58 PM (1xUj/)

17 I'm not willing to compromise on the Constitution or my God-given rights at all.

OK, I'll compromise on this: Office-holders who are convicted of violating the Constitution can be sentenced to life in prison instead of hanging.

Posted by: rickl at March 14, 2015 05:58 PM (sdi6R)

18 Being a non child myself I have come to the conclusion that once you start compromising with your enemies you end up with 18 trillion in real debt, 60 plus Trillion in unfunded debt, aliens at the gates and your God given rights being taken away and given to the gub'mint.

Sounds like a fair deal to me.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 05:58 PM (U7H1n)

19
Frankly, I'm not willing to compromise on one friggin' thing.

In the interest of this poll only, I said gay marriage, abortion and social security.

But since the left NEVER gives in on anything (since they have forced the default position in this country to be liberal) even when they lose elections and SCOTUS decisions (rare these days), why the fuck should I give in to the bastards who hijacked my country?

Let the left give in. Hell, let them surrender or die.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 05:59 PM (CMkNk)

20

Type, delete, several times.

I see no good reason, given past experience, to compromise on ANY issue.

Not convinced that debate on that position will help.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 14, 2015 05:59 PM (jeCnD)

21 Are you a RINO but still on the Republican rolls? Here is an encouraging story-reposted from comments below- about an GOP organization in rural NY, that has voted no confidence in Boehner and McConnell and asked Republicans to find new leadership. You can read the text of what they wrote and if you have an interest consider sending it to your local Republican organization to follow suit:

http://tinyurl.com/ljycu5u

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 06:00 PM (DXzRD)

22 We've been "compromising" with the Left for the last 100 years. And here we are.

Can anybody show me an example of "compromise" which has moved us back in the direction of individual liberty and limited government?

Posted by: rickl at March 14, 2015 06:00 PM (sdi6R)

23 I found the previous survey poorly worded. What is the hill to die on? I voted for stances that would make me vote for let it burn. Which lead to the complete opposite of what I intended in the vote total

Posted by: Offended person at March 14, 2015 06:01 PM (GqXnk)

24 Although I'm playing along, this entire line of questioning is always problematic - and is precisely what leads to the problems we have with the actual elected Republicans.

These are framed as tactical questions, but what we're actually missing isn't even 'strategy', but vision. Or 'long term goals'.

Like: What is a long-term goal on abortion? I want uterine replicators - where even just fertilized eggs can survive and anyone that choses "I can't be a mom" can make that choice. It only takes a couple tiny thinking changes - the fetus/baby gets its own doctor immediately, and the mother gets a medical/legal/physical 'divorce'. (There will be a lot of baby/fetus deaths still, but this will also mean a -lot- of neo-neo-natal practice and research.)

So: -long- term social security replaced by an account -you- own dedicated to your retirement, much like a much-much larger IRA. I don't have a problem with the mandating of "you must save money", just the crazy-ass -methods- involved and the sheer welfare aspects.

And we can march down the list like that.

Posted by: Alan at March 14, 2015 06:01 PM (OWOGG)

25 "Control of the HoR for the last 4 years. Now control of the Senate. What have we got?"

Plus, before 2006, control of the House and the Senate and the White House. What did we get?

Alex, I'll take "Self-Answering Questions" for a thousand.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 14, 2015 06:02 PM (noWW6)

26 Eh. I have to go do Life stuff. Would have voted, but like #24 I would probably have skewed it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 14, 2015 06:03 PM (1xUj/)

27 Oh, and this "hill to die on" crap.

To paraphrase General George S. Patton: "Nobody ever won a war by dying on a hill. You win a war by making the other poor dumb sonofabitch die on his hill."

Posted by: rickl at March 14, 2015 06:04 PM (sdi6R)

28 "Only "children" expect to get everything they want every time they want it."

Too bad Rum is not here to call me a troll. I could have gotten a twofer.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 06:04 PM (U7H1n)

29 This one is trickier to answer (honestly or correctly, I guess).

I am more than willing to sacrifice legalizing same sex marriage...

I guess I can't answer that way!

Lemme ponder...

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 06:05 PM (9BRsg)

30 The only thing Im definitely not willing to compromise on is immigration. We need radical, one sided action there or the gig is up.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 14, 2015 06:06 PM (s3Jo2)

31 The poll results re: pro-life policy really surprised me. I thought the Horde was a lot more unwilling to compromise on the sanctity of life.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 14, 2015 06:06 PM (mB6ez)

32 @ 6 NDH

Yes there are.

Posted by: Mr. Mxyzptlk at March 14, 2015 06:06 PM (9R4HJ)

33 We are no longer confronted with hills, only crevasses.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:07 PM (NUqwG)

34 Where's the 'No more compromise" box?

Posted by: Leon at March 14, 2015 06:07 PM (bEQoo)

35
I still get GOP-e mail at my brother's place in Forest Hills.

The envelope says "To a Republican leader in Forst Mills."

As useful as a one-legged blind man in an ass-kicking contest.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 06:08 PM (CMkNk)

36 This one is trickier to answer (honestly or correctly, I guess).

I am more than willing to sacrifice legalizing same sex marriage...

I guess I can't answer that way!

Lemme ponder...

*****

It's not a sacrifice if it isn't the position you would take otherwise.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 06:08 PM (DmNpO)

37 OTOH, the results about gay marriage didn't surprise me at all

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 14, 2015 06:08 PM (mB6ez)

38 So the Battleboto contingent are voting too?

Posted by: @votermom at March 14, 2015 06:08 PM (cbfNE)

39 So the Battleboro contingent are voting too?

Posted by: @votermom at March 14, 2015 06:08 PM (cbfNE)

40 Reflect for a moment that many of these arguments over specific issues end up overshadowing the larger general issue of simply FOLLOWING THE DAMN CONSTITUTION.

Gun rights? If the Constitution is adhered to, they won't be at risk.

Getting rid of Obamacare? Health care ain't an enumerated federal responsibility. Follow the Constitution, hand health care back to the states under the 10th Amendment, and Obamacare implodes.

Illegal immigrants? Pretty clear that sticking to the specific original intent of the 14th Amendment makes that problem a whole lot smaller.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 14, 2015 06:09 PM (noWW6)

41 And in other news, all those folks forced to go on the RI
Obamacare exchange will now have to pay a 3.8% tax on the premiums they pay. Because the RI exchange has run out of money.

Posted by: The Hobohemian wears Prada at March 14, 2015 06:09 PM (s/gWD)

42 I have any only child. He knows he cannot and will not get everything he might want, both because we could not afford it and because as his dad and mom we say no, and I have to say he doesn't really ask for a lot of things except books-Books! Books! Books!
I love books, but yikes!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 06:09 PM (DXzRD)

43 why the fuck should I give in to the bastards who hijacked my country?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 05:59 PM (CMkNk)

Amen to that. We're always the ones compromising and surrendering. We've already given up every issue we can compromise on. If we compromise on anything we've got left, we basically throw in the towel on everything we've still got.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 06:10 PM (3HxZe)

44 I still get GOP-e mail at my brother's place in Forest Hills.
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RNC still sends mail to me at an address I haven't lived at for 26 years.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:10 PM (NUqwG)

45 None of the above with regard to the enemy, a few I could look the other way on for a Republican that is solid on all the others.

And speaking of hills and dieing I posted a link yesterday for Senate leadership and a few of the regular RINOs who say that fighting Obama's illegals getting the EIC is not the hill to die on. (reworded in another way of course)

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 14, 2015 06:11 PM (wlDny)

46
No vote here,I think the survey wording needs work for clarity.

Subject is fine, the format is not.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 14, 2015 06:12 PM (jeCnD)

47 In a way, fighting for smaller federal govt and states rights takes care of many of the other issues. So if states rights are enhanced or affirmed more strongly , issues like abortion and gay rights are not as contentious because they'll be state issues, as they should be. Same as labor laws ,etc.

Posted by: Yip at March 14, 2015 06:12 PM (84SRe)

48 things we didn't compromise on:
Bammycare -still got it
Immigration- still happening
Military dismantling- still happening
Gay marriage- still happening
etc.etc.

Illegal executive orders and lefty courts make up the rules now.

No need to compromise

Posted by: seamrog at March 14, 2015 06:14 PM (0SSQ2)

49 Call me a child if you must, but I have to agree on the "no compromise" stance.

What's the purpose of stating beliefs, a platform if you will, if you're admitting up front that well, it's really not that important to me?

Just to play along, I voted for one issue - gay marriage. Because, well, it really doesn't affect my life. And that whole "live and let live" thing...

Posted by: shredded chi at March 14, 2015 06:14 PM (N9CcE)

50 When the GOP compromises that is good. They usually just surrender.

If that was all, they would be better off. On the road to surrender they engage in kabuki theater that even pisses off those who would otherwise be pleased with their surrender.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:14 PM (NUqwG)

51 So this was tougher for me... and I pre-denounce myself...

but if I got a candidate who was truly going to reduce the size of federal government, repeal Obamacare, and stop the flow of illegals (no "shamnesty"), then I would be willing to accept the "wrong" (for me) position on these three positions:

1. no same-sex marriage (but I would expect that a "reduce the federal govt type" would not push for a national marriage license that would include SSM)

2. repeal Common Core -- states can opt out, as Texas did; again, a smaller Fed Govt type would probably hack the shit out of the Dept of Ed anyway

3. "tax reform" -- I actually think it's a huge mistake for the GOP to lead with "tax reform" right now anyway; the problems are spending and jobs; screwing with tax policy right now will just wind up looking like picking winners and losers and/or pandering

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 06:15 PM (9BRsg)

52 Freaky. I voted with the majority in both polls so far. I am the voice of the Ace Generation.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at March 14, 2015 06:16 PM (MCBHU)

53 31 The poll results re: pro-life policy really surprised me. I thought the Horde was a lot more unwilling to compromise on the sanctity of life.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 14, 2015 06:06 PM (mB6ez)

Abortion is wrong, and there's no doubt about that, but it's not going to turn the USA into 1984 the way other issues will. We've fought it over decades and can continue to do so, and as sad as it is to say, it just doesn't have nearly the same level of immediacy. If we focus on that battle now, we'll lose the war. If we lose on immigration, guns, the scope of federal powers, or allow nakedly unconstitutional laws to stand, our chances of ever stopping Abortion disappear forever when the other side establishes its permanent lock on power.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 06:17 PM (3HxZe)

54 Freaky. I voted with the majority in both polls so far. I am the voice of the Ace Generation.

***

That thought should keep you awake at night.

You've seen what tracks through here.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 06:18 PM (DmNpO)

55 Two UFC title fights tonight.
Lightweight Men's title and Strawweight Women's.
Strawweight are 115 lb chicks, the lightest weight class in UFC. Other promotions have a female AtomWeight division at 105 lb.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 14, 2015 06:18 PM (ZPrif)

56 I found the wording confusing so I didn't vote.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 06:18 PM (DXzRD)

57 Call me a child if you must, but I have to agree on the "no compromise" stance.

What's the purpose of stating beliefs, a platform if you will, if you're admitting up front that well, it's really not that important to me?

***

Because this is about casting a vote and you are never going to find a candidate who meets every one of your needs. It's a thinking exercise to determine which, if any, of the issues you can swallow in order to cast a vote.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 06:20 PM (DmNpO)

58 I found the wording confusing so I didn't vote.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 06:18 PM (DXzRD)
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That's OK. Cyberchad would have thrown out your votes anyway.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:20 PM (NUqwG)

59 maybe the poll should have asked which of these topics are you least interested in?

Or apathetic about?

Posted by: seamrog at March 14, 2015 06:21 PM (0SSQ2)

60 Isn't it pretty obvious that Jeb's mighty weak on the 'Vision Thing' like his father was?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 14, 2015 06:21 PM (MMC8r)

61
@ 57

And there is the problem.

Too much swallowing this in order to get that and getting neither.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 14, 2015 06:23 PM (jeCnD)

62 44 I still get GOP-e mail at my brother's place in Forest Hills.
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RNC still sends mail to me at an address I haven't lived at for 26 years.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:10 PM (NUqwG)

I just shook my head that they addressed it to "Forst Mills" instead of "Forest Hills." No wonder we're in the shitter.

We have no party.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 06:24 PM (CMkNk)

63 9
established those issues upon which there can be no compromise....

That the Republicans have and will compromise on.

And yes, that includes the 2nd. Just wait until the next pol catches a bullet. It will be hand-holding time at the State of the Union again.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 14, 2015 05:54 PM (kdS6q)

If the US Chamber of Commerce told Boehner to fight gun control, the man would magically develop a backbone.

And yeah, lucky us in Virginia. A GOP state senator that is one of our great social conservative/pro-life leaders has decided that Virginia really needs to expand Medicaid/Medicare under Obamacare, because he is Pro-life. It's these kinds of dickheads why we get laws like Obamacare that never go away because they think that the government should be doing God's work.

Nope, our churches should be doing God's work, and the government needs to get the fuck out of their way.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper formerly MrCaniac at March 14, 2015 06:24 PM (+Fae7)

64 What's interesting about this exercise is that our opponents the Commie-Prog-Fucktards (BIRM) never in a million years even CONSIDER compromising on even the tiniest point on the most insignificant issue.

Because for the last 100 years, our side ALWAYS has compromised, much to the utter destruction (pending) of the Republic, and our enemies know we will with a mathematical certainty.

That fact causes Sharkman much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 14, 2015 06:25 PM (Hps5q)

65 Calling those who disagree with any compromise "children" does not help the situation. In fact it hardens the opposition against any compromise.

When the progtards are forced back on any issue then talk about compromise.

So far it has not happened.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 06:25 PM (U7H1n)

66 Too much swallowing this in order to get that and getting neither.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 14, 2015 06:23 PM (jeCnD)

Exactly. We always get promised things, in exchange for going along with things we don't want. Those things that are promised never materialize, the things we don't want do.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 06:25 PM (3HxZe)

67 "tax reform" -- I actually think it's a huge mistake for the GOP to lead with "tax reform" right now anyway
Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 06:15 PM (9BRsg)
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Agreed. Of course my ideas for tax reform are probably quite different than that of most others here.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:26 PM (NUqwG)

68 Those questions read like an indian call center. I'm thinking that and five o' clock in most of the free world caused some misfires.
Just make sure you take your Cialis and aim better tonight.

Posted by: Pocket Trout at March 14, 2015 06:26 PM (HGLpg)

69 FBI homicide data 1980-2008

John Cardillo @johncardillo 5m
FBI/DOJ. Blacks 6x more likely to be victimized. 8x more likely to offend. Ignoring the problem won't save lives.
https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/576870562221420544/photo/1

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 14, 2015 06:26 PM (ZPrif)

70
I think the first candidate that publicly and continuously calls for no more compromises and a full reversal, defeat and annihilation of the progressive agenda will win. Big.

At least from me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 06:27 PM (CMkNk)

71 Heh. I see above that I am preaching to the choir.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 14, 2015 06:27 PM (Hps5q)

72 67 Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:26 PM (NUqwG)

Well, if by "tax reform" you mean abolishing the !RS and going to a flat tax (whatever it may be), then I'm in favor of it.

Like anything, it can be a winning item IF it's explained correctly and fought for.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 06:28 PM (CMkNk)

73 The 'republicans' will not sacrifice anything for America. They are no better than democrats.

Posted by: Eromero at March 14, 2015 06:28 PM (go5uR)

74
Okay kids.

Time for dinner.

Keep it IS - real.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 06:29 PM (CMkNk)

75 I think the first candidate that publicly and continuously calls for no more compromises and a full reversal, defeat and annihilation of the progressive agenda will win. Big.

At least from me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 06:27 PM (CMkNk)
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.. in the primary and then before the general election he/she/it will say something stupid and sign a stupid letter and lose big when it matters.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:29 PM (NUqwG)

76 Did Bush actually say that? What's the link?

Posted by: Bretzysdude at March 14, 2015 06:29 PM (nUjl4)

77 Compromise my ass. Conservatives have been forced down that road and enough is enough. I'll compromise on a liberal dog catcher, otherwise NO.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2015 06:29 PM (Wsnf3)

78 I can just see the excuse after a (R) is elected in 16.

"it'll never survive the SC so why bother"

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 06:31 PM (U7H1n)

79 Well, if by "tax reform" you mean abolishing the !RS and going to a flat tax (whatever it may be), then I'm in favor of it.
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When I say tax reform, I'm really thinking of things like the Lee-Rubio bill.

But, frankly, even the abolish the IRS thing would have significant consequences. So if a perfect candidate came along in my Big Three things, I would not sweat it if he or she was not proposing a flat tax. It's just not in my priorities for the next four years.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 06:31 PM (9BRsg)

80 78,

Heh.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 14, 2015 06:31 PM (OsWis)

81 Did Bush actually say that? What's the link?

***

I'll see if there's video. I heard it when watching him in NH last night.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 06:31 PM (DmNpO)

82 NDH @ 57

Oh, I guess I got your point, but if I'm right about any given issue, you're not going to convince me I'm not.

I'm right about abortion.
I'm right about repealing the ACA.
I'm right about common core.
etc, etc

Call it childish, call it petulant, whatever.
I'm still firmly entrenched in the No. More. Compromise. camp.
As stated above many times, look where that has gotten us.

Posted by: shredded chi at March 14, 2015 06:33 PM (EEIG6)

83 Isn't it so telling? The liberals issue are all anti-constitution. I just don't understand why a lot of them choose to live in a country they so despise.

Posted by: Sho Nuff at March 14, 2015 06:33 PM (jtxl6)

84 Well, if by "tax reform" you mean abolishing the !RS and going to a flat tax (whatever it may be), then I'm in favor of it.

Like anything, it can be a winning item IF it's explained correctly and fought for.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2015 06:28 PM (CMkNk)
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You would be closer to most others here than I am.

The problem is that GOP candidates have the tendency to appear too extreme when running (the media, of course, plays a big role) and a poor job in the legislative battles - at least at the federal level.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 14, 2015 06:33 PM (NUqwG)

85 And at least 10 more Americans who might have been exposed to Ebola in Sierra Leone are being flown to the medical center in Omaha, Nebraska for observation and possible treatment.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 06:34 PM (XlShK)

86 Why do we have a negative polls when it's a weekend and most of the morons are drunk after 5:00

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 14, 2015 06:34 PM (0FSuD)

87 I think it would be helpful to know if we're talking about accepting the "wrong" (in our own minds) opinion on one of these issues or merely talking about accepting a candidate for whom Issue X is not a priority (and about which the candidate would not lift a finger).

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 06:35 PM (9BRsg)

88 Well the Foreign Aid one is a somewhat easy one to sacrifice. We're gonna give money to the worthless fcuk's anyway.

But yeah I kinda agree with the previous commenters, enough with the compromising.

I'd also say that if there is going to be a compromise, it should be a tactical one only, one that enables us to get something we want, but allows us to totally renege on our end of the compromise later on. You know, like every single "compromise" that the left does with us.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 14, 2015 06:35 PM (2w2Tr)

89 On twitter. What look to be light tanks in red square

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 14, 2015 06:35 PM (zOTsN)

90 Compromise? ...The Donkycrats don't know the meaning of the word.

Here's an idea:
Let's compromise like the Dems do.

Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2015 06:36 PM (gQua2)

91 IOW, I would not be able to vote for a Pro Abortion candidate along the lines of an Obama or a lot of these baby-killing loving ghouls the Democrats keep electing.

But a candidate who spins the usual tripe of "personally opposed, but..." Yeah, I could vote for that person for POTUS if that person was for a smaller Federal Govt, no Obamacare, and sealing the border.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 06:36 PM (9BRsg)

92 Seems too late to compromise. We never get compromise in return. It seems like never ending law suits are the order of the day. They (from Hoover on) have succeeded in destroying the Greatest Nation on Earth. Who will stop the rot? More lawyers? I am having a dejected day. Sorry. Lost my part-time job and the $ that goes with it. Luckily, still have the full time job.

Posted by: Infidel at March 14, 2015 06:36 PM (CyhiK)

93 Opps, read too fast. They being sent to Omaha, the NIH, or Emory outside of Atlanta. NIH already has one Ebola infected patient in serious condition. And to really warm everyone's hearts, if there are more who might need evacuating back the US well they will be.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 06:36 PM (XlShK)

94 NDH & 81 -not that I don't believe you. It IS something he would say, but I'm surprised it hasn't gotten more coverage.

Posted by: Bretzysdude at March 14, 2015 06:36 PM (nUjl4)

95 Oh, I guess I got your point, but if I'm right about any given issue, you're not going to convince me I'm not.

I'm right about abortion.
I'm right about repealing the ACA.
I'm right about common core.
etc, etc

Call it childish, call it petulant, whatever.
I'm still firmly entrenched in the No. More. Compromise. camp.
As stated above many times, look where that has gotten us.

***

We can all want/wish/pray for a candidate who meets our standards, but it's unlikely to become a reality.

You do not have to sacrifice your ideals or the fight, but you may have to select a candidate who meets only a few of the criteria you hold most dear.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 06:36 PM (DmNpO)

96 NDH & 81 -not that I don't believe you. It IS something he would say, but I'm surprised it hasn't gotten more coverage.

***

I was halfway listening, so it may have been just a general observation about where medicine is headed, but it definitely caught my attention.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 06:37 PM (DmNpO)

97 Light tanks? You mean BMPs? Or the old -76 amphibious tank?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 06:38 PM (XlShK)

98 OT...

Hey NDH...are you still watching Grimm?

Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2015 06:39 PM (gQua2)

99 wear devices which will tattle to our doctors when we skip a dose of medicine

Irvin Baxter will probably blow a gasket during his Monday podcast.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 14, 2015 06:39 PM (zauWW)

100 No compromise, no quarter, no surrender, no retreat.

Posted by: Lyle Cliveton at March 14, 2015 06:40 PM (w4say)

101 OT...

Hey NDH...are you still watching Grimm?

***

Nope. I have a bad habit of getting distracted in the off-season and switching loyalties to other shows.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 06:40 PM (DmNpO)

102 Ya know, until we get new congressional leadership, this fuckwads won't find a hill they're willing to take fire on, let alone die on.

I'm not that sure that replacing Boner McTurtle would even help. Let it Burn until SMOD I suppose......

Posted by: Alamo at March 14, 2015 06:40 PM (aVNi6)

103 I don't believe a single one of these issues is a "hill for US to die on."

On the other hand, I do believe all of these issues are, like countless others, hills for the careers of roughly 530 members of Congress and Choom Boy to die on.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 14, 2015 06:41 PM (P8YHq)

104 "no retreat."

I am looking back over my shoulder. There is not a single hill in view.

Where is there to go anyway?

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 06:41 PM (U7H1n)

105 @97

Bet they're BMPS, Anna.

Be nice to see a pic.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 14, 2015 06:42 PM (jeCnD)

106 Dont anyone care about violent climatism anymore?

/thinkaboutthechildren

Posted by: 2soonold2latesmart at March 14, 2015 06:43 PM (Sot2r)

107 This is the problem. There should be an option for "Compromise on nothing!". That is all the Democrats ever do. Why does the GOP always have to be the ones that compromise? Screw that. Hell no to all them. Sick of seeing conservatives let the Dems bully them into the gay rights crap, and by looking at this poll I see that a bunch of weak kneed conservatives are letting calls of "bigot" and "homophobe" get to them.. Let me let you in on a little secret. Gays have no less rights than anyone else. If anyone can name one I will vote for Hillary in the election.

Posted by: Sho Nuff at March 14, 2015 06:43 PM (jtxl6)

108 Principles- The left will beat you over the head everyday with what they think this country should become and we are told to compromise our principals for 2% or20% of the population . Find a fucking Constitution and read it.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2015 06:44 PM (Wsnf3)

109 Well, I'm becoming resigned to the reality that we're never going to get a damn thing we want so we're going to be forced to compromise on everything. Look at what our historic R majority has already given away since January. This will continue unabated. No Repub president is going to reverse anything or shut down entire departments. Our elected leaders are in it for themselves.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 14, 2015 06:44 PM (2x3L+)

110 101...Nope. I have a bad habit of getting distracted in the off-season and switching loyalties to other shows.

Ah. Well, it's gotten better, imo.
I was holding it at arm's length for a while, because I thought it might get cancelled.

But it's in it's 4th season now and was renewed for a 5th.

Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2015 06:44 PM (gQua2)

111 88
I'd also say that if there is going to be a compromise, it should be a tactical one only, one that enables us to get something we want, but allows us to totally renege on our end of the compromise later on. You know, like every single "compromise" that the left does with us.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 14, 2015 06:35 PM (2w2Tr)

I believe the Muslims call that a "hudna". It's a tactical truce when Muslims are weak, that is promptly repudiated once they rebuild their strength.

I can think of other tactics used by Muslims that would convince the Left to take us more seriously.

Posted by: rickl at March 14, 2015 06:44 PM (sdi6R)

112 NDH, why should we not expect a candidate for president from the Republican party to meet our expectations on the issues you listed? Reagan did. Our opponents' candidates always meet the Commie-Prog-F-tard voting public's expectations, and they win.

Our candidates are all RINO squished who ignore the fact that a majority of this country would still respond positively to a strong Conservative candidate.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 14, 2015 06:45 PM (Hps5q)

113 None of mine are on the list

- Price of postage
- Interest rates
- Starting the Second Civil War

I'm pretty much ready to concede all three of those -- to live with higher postage, lower interest rates and No Civil War. Abortion? Shrinking government? Are you joking? I define myself as "somebody who won't just take orders on that crap". If you want compromise on the conservative line --start getting votes from other people.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 06:45 PM (8rRE+)

114 Unclear how to vote..

As an example, the first set:

Abortion - Pro-Choice Stance
Abortion - Pro-Life Stance

If I am willing to let abortions remain legal, which way do I vote? Pro life?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 14, 2015 06:46 PM (/9Mak)

115 No Repub president is going to reverse anything or shut down entire departments. Our elected leaders are in it for themselves.

This. They don't respect the Constitution like we do. LIB.

Posted by: Infidel at March 14, 2015 06:46 PM (CyhiK)

116 I guess that wasn't crystal clear to me, NDH.
After re-reading, I now see that I missed "cast your vote" in the last paragraph.

I think Y-Not summed it up well @ 87 & 91.
I can disagree on a few of those issues and still pull the lever for a candidate that is mostly aligned with my core beliefs.

Posted by: shredded chi at March 14, 2015 06:46 PM (EEIG6)

117 "start getting votes from other people."

I'm on it!!!

Posted by: Thaddy "boy" Cochran at March 14, 2015 06:47 PM (U7H1n)

118 ThunderB is this what is being shown??

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmp-3/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 06:47 PM (XlShK)

119 Don't question Settled Science or we might Unsettle Your Life.

Tabitha Bliss @BlissTabitha
UCLA Professors Exposes Climate Fraud, Funding Cut, Punished And Fired; Sues UCLA And Wins Out Of Court Settlement
bit.ly/1FgDNCE

Posted by: Eco-nazi Ruling Class at March 14, 2015 06:48 PM (ZPrif)

120
NDH, why should we not expect a candidate for president from the
Republican party to meet our expectations on the issues you listed?
Reagan did. Our opponents' candidates always meet the Commie-Prog-F-tard
voting public's expectations, and they win.

Our candidates are all RINO squished who ignore the fact that a
majority of this country would still respond positively to a strong
Conservative candidate.
............
Cuz, as the Rolling Stones said "You can't always get what you want"

What things are you willing to allow in a candidate and still vote for him/her?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 14, 2015 06:48 PM (/9Mak)

121 I'd also say that if there is going to be a compromise, it should be a tactical one only, one that enables us to get something we want, but allows us to totally renege on our end of the compromise later on. You know, like every single "compromise" that the left does with us.

***

This is called "strategy"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 06:48 PM (DmNpO)

122 "What things are you willing to allow in a candidate and still vote for him/her?"

You'll find out in Nov '16.

Posted by: Lyle Cliveton at March 14, 2015 06:49 PM (w4say)

123 Now list all the choices bottom up, and record the votes, then randomize them and do it again.

There are too many choices, and, by the end, no one cares anymore.

Posted by: Nomadic100 at March 14, 2015 06:50 PM (kl/AG)

124 Many hills.

No compromise. That was my problem with the Bush administration. The Dems shoved this crap down our throats for years. The Repubs did nothing with their majority.

The chickens are home.

Posted by: Golfman-I Have Hills. They Have None. at March 14, 2015 06:51 PM (cg74N)

125 Abortion and gay marriage are the issues I'm tired of spinning my wheels on, even though I personally oppose both.

My problem with these issues is both are better to address at the personal level when it comes to whether or not these decisions about morality are made.

I could be fine with a GOP that took a position on both abortion and gay marriage that basically were for the status quo but protections for late term abortion and protection for religious liberty on marriage ceremonies. I'd rather talk about real issues that effect people in their everyday lives.

Posted by: Kal at March 14, 2015 06:51 PM (z9cam)

126 "What things are you willing to allow in a candidate and still vote for him/her?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 14, 2015 06:48 PM (/9Mak)"

Might as well ask "Why don't you roll over and quit and join the liberals?"

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 06:51 PM (8rRE+)

127 "OK. OK. BUT. If you were gonna invest in real estate, would you prefer beachfront or a --- hello? Hello Bob?"

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 06:53 PM (8rRE+)

128 Compromise is another word for appeasement, Creeping incrementalism, a deal with the devil.

Any deal with Iran is defeat, not compromise.
Any deal with Obama and his loyalists is defeat by baby steps.

Posted by: Lyle Cliveton at March 14, 2015 06:55 PM (w4say)

129 Your faith in me is uninspiring... I shall let you suffer some more.

Posted by: SMOD at March 14, 2015 06:56 PM (LoIJo)

130 What things are you willing to allow in a candidate and still vote for him/her?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 14, 2015 06:48 PM (/9Mak)

The simple answer to that, that Reagan and the generation that voted him in to office, is: Be conservative and stand on principle and you will win without being forced to compromise.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 14, 2015 06:56 PM (Hps5q)

131 129,

Teasing bitch.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 14, 2015 06:57 PM (OsWis)

132 Republicans: How much of this shit sandwich are you willing to eat?

Posted by: L, Elle at March 14, 2015 06:57 PM (2x3L+)

133 @128 Lyle- Well said. Accepting the lesser of two evils is still an evil.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2015 06:58 PM (Wsnf3)

134 I definitely do not want a "pro abortion" GOP, I do think there's a reasonable compromise for public policy.

If a conservative candidate went long the lines of no later term abortion, no tax dollars used for abortion, and mandating hospital standards for abortion clinics, etc BUT said otherwise was for the status quo, I could support that and in fact think it would allow a lot of female voters to take a 2nd look at conservative policy.

The Democrats are straight up for infanticide and make no bones about it

Posted by: Kal at March 14, 2015 06:59 PM (z9cam)

135 How do you make a reasonable assessment of some of these compromises when the language used by politicians is designed to mislead? To the current Democrat politicians, reducing the size and cost of the government means to only allow a yearly budgetary increase of 20 percent, to Republican politicians it means only allowing a budgetary increase of 10 percent. So the compromise would be a 15 percent increase.
That's why discussing compromise is moot, we would need a two party system for that.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 14, 2015 06:59 PM (luDoc)

136 Time for a musical interlude?

Russian SMOD maybe? https://youtu.be/4KXMvs-dm_U

Or maybe Japanese cat-girl dancing in the park? https://youtu.be/I3lD0xEWgAk

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 06:59 PM (XlShK)

137 Jeb Bush should wear a device that will shock him every time he advocates additional statist interference.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 14, 2015 06:59 PM (A9KzJ)

138 I'm voting on issues that I don't care if they are ignored at this point.

Common core will disappear on its own, when states take back their rights of education of their citizens, or better yet the federal gov gets out of education altogether.

Gay marriage, same idea, it's not the government's business if I'm married or not. Get the gov out of marriage or have two events, one recognized by gov and one recognized by one's choice of religion.

Finally, finances to other countries, when the govt has no debt, we could think about contributions again, maybe.

Probably all too simplistic and unpossible, but my two cents.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at March 14, 2015 07:00 PM (oD2+n)

139
Twitter is going nuts over Putin.

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 14, 2015 07:00 PM (iQIUe)

140 Jeb Bush should wear a device that will shock him every time he advocates additional statist interference.

***

I'll hold him down while you attach the device.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 07:01 PM (DmNpO)

141 Speaking of politics and strange bedfellows, just noticed this at Breitbart (from March 11th)... Mike Lee is predicted to not face a serious challenger b/c he's pulled both Huntsman Jr. and another Utah big shot as chairs to his re-election campaign.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:01 PM (9BRsg)

142 shock him every time he advocates additional statist interference

I'm gonna put you down as in favor of nuclear power.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 14, 2015 07:01 PM (zauWW)

143 83 Isn't it so telling? The liberals issue are all anti-constitution. I just don't understand why a lot of them choose to live in a country they so despise.
Posted by: Sho Nuff at March 14, 2015 06:33 PM (jtxl6)

Because it's not about policy preference to them. Not as such, anyway. It's about seizing power so they can jam those policy preferences down other peoples' throats.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 07:02 PM (3HxZe)

144 I'll hold him down while you attach the device.

I suggest the place to put it is on his nether region.

Posted by: no good deed at March 14, 2015 07:02 PM (ZKGnj)

145 Anyone have a twitter link on Putin?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 07:02 PM (DXzRD)

146 >> 140 Jeb Bush should wear a device that will shock him every time he advocates additional statist interference.

***
>>> I'll hold him down while you attach the device.

And the rest of us can take turns kicking him in the balls repeatedly.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 14, 2015 07:03 PM (2x3L+)

147 Thanks for that shot of good news Y-not

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2015 07:03 PM (Wsnf3)

148 Peruvia doesn't get Pi Day until 22/7, but at least they get to celebrate all day.

Posted by: t-bird at March 14, 2015 07:04 PM (FcR7P)

149 Fundamental Transformation, Baby. We are there. And it's only down hill from here. The GOPe leadership is worthless. 20 months is a long time.

Posted by: Infidel at March 14, 2015 07:04 PM (CyhiK)

150 NY Post is saying he's in Switzerland.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:06 PM (9BRsg)

151 They will take my Tequila from my cold dead hands.

Is that on there somewhere?

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 14, 2015 07:07 PM (JgQLj)

152 And the rest of us can take turns kicking him in the balls repeatedly.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 14, 2015 07:03 PM (2x3L+)

OBJECTION!!! Assuming facts not in evidence. Please take the Defendant to the examination room and have the Proctologist confirm the presence of these alleged "balls"

Posted by: Thaddy at March 14, 2015 07:08 PM (U7H1n)

153 Were these liberal voters here found and quickly killed?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 14, 2015 07:08 PM (oFCZn)

154 I'm not finding the reports of tanks or APCs in Red Square that I thought some morons mentioned seeing. Does anyone have a source on that?

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:08 PM (9BRsg)

155 Off sock

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 07:08 PM (U7H1n)

156 MUMR got extra votes for the voices in his head.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 14, 2015 07:09 PM (oFCZn)

157 The Russians have moved back to Cam Rahn Bay

From International Business Times - http://tinyurl.com/kjywya3

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 07:09 PM (XlShK)

158 "In any compromise between good and evil, evil benefits."
~Ayn Rand

Posted by: rickl at March 14, 2015 07:10 PM (sdi6R)

159 >>> MUMR got extra votes for the voices in his head.

and each of his multiple personalities

Posted by: L, Elle at March 14, 2015 07:10 PM (2x3L+)

160 154. That's just an LA SWAT
No worries

Posted by: Puppy loving NCJ (trust me) at March 14, 2015 07:10 PM (TIuFZ)

161 Alright - Time Out For Fun.

Devo.

https://
www.youtube.
com/watch?v=
1ZUQ59UjCR0

Remove teh spaces; I could never do the 'tiny url' stuff. Any way.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Rousing the Rabble at the Outrage Outlet! at March 14, 2015 07:10 PM (K/tQx)

162 "#PutinIsDead Stage/seating built in Red Square is for anniversary concert for Crimea Annexation, apparently. But who believes the Kremlin?"

https://tinyurl.com/ncjveqp

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 14, 2015 07:10 PM (OsWis)

163 157 The Russians have moved back to Cam Rahn Bay

From International Business Times - http://tinyurl.com/kjywya3

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 07:09 PM (XlShK)

Mark my words, next its the Bahamas.

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 14, 2015 07:10 PM (JgQLj)

164 Personally I think Putin is just recovering from some embarrassing medical issue - like plastic surgery.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 14, 2015 07:11 PM (ZPrif)

165 O.T Again (I'm sorry) but this made me laugh

Steven Crowder who seems to be a combination political analyst/comic dresses up as a woman to go to Planet Fitness. He already dressed up as Jesus and Mohammed-(Guess who he liked more?)� And I really

http://tinyurl.com/lgea4qr

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 07:11 PM (DXzRD)

166 "And I really" was drifting off into other thoughts which I forgot to delete.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 07:12 PM (DXzRD)

167 "If a conservative candidate went long the lines of no later term abortion, no tax dollars used for abortion, and mandating hospital standards for abortion clinics, etc BUT said otherwise was for the status quo, I could support that and in fact think it would allow a lot of female voters to take a 2nd look at conservative policy."

Safe, legal, and rare is a moderate liberal policy.
It is not a conservative policy.
This is not just semantics -- you propose we accept a little squeamishness about killing kids, but allow it to continue in every city.
I do not want "conservatives" to beat "liberals".
I want conservative policies enacted.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 07:13 PM (8rRE+)

168 166 "And I really" was drifting off into other thoughts which I forgot to delete.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 07:12 PM (DXzRD)

The problem with having a really big brain is that it's easy to get lost in thought.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 07:13 PM (3HxZe)

169 165 O.T Again (I'm sorry) but this made me laugh

Steven Crowder who seems to be a combination political analyst/comic dresses up as a woman to go to Planet Fitness. He already dressed up as Jesus and Mohammed-(Guess who he liked more?) And I really

http://tinyurl.com/lgea4qr

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 07:11 PM (DXzRD)

Political analyst/ comic. Heh. Aren't they all.

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 14, 2015 07:13 PM (JgQLj)

170 Russia Today has nothing but the usual tripe. Go take the Ukraine just to mess with the results.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 14, 2015 07:14 PM (U7H1n)

171 "The Russians have moved back to Cam Rahn Bay

From International Business Times - http://tinyurl.com/kjywya3"

I can believe it. Vietnam wants an ally that will stand up to China. That leaves us out.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 07:14 PM (8rRE+)

172
All I can find is a protest march on behalf of Nementsov
with the usuals police presence, if there are any bmps, tanks, etc they're well hidden.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 14, 2015 07:14 PM (jeCnD)

173 Here's a bright spot for your day: There is yet another generation of Bush politicians with whom we must contend at some future date.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 07:15 PM (DmNpO)

174 164 Personally I think Putin is just recovering from some embarrassing medical issue - like plastic surgery.

Hair plugs. That's my guess. He's getting hair plugs installed.

Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2015 07:15 PM (gQua2)

175 The problem with having a really big brain is that it's easy to get lost in thought.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 07:13 PM (3HxZe)

and hats. Its hard to get a hat big enough.

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 14, 2015 07:16 PM (JgQLj)

176 I do not want "conservatives" to beat "liberals".
I want conservative policies enacted.
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 07:13 PM (8rRE+)

Solid point. It's not a football game, after all. Still, abortion's not within our reach at the moment. It's territory we lost a long time ago and we're still being pushed back. We won't be able to make a push for it until we stop losing ground and stabilize our other threatened areas.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 07:16 PM (3HxZe)

177 and hats. Its hard to get a hat big enough.
Posted by: Badda Bing at March 14, 2015 07:16 PM (JgQLj)

You're telling me! It's damn near impossible to find a 7 & 3/4 hat size anywhere.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 07:17 PM (3HxZe)

178 Posted by: Badda Bing at March 14, 2015 07:13 PM (JgQLj)

Steven Crowder is actually funny sometimes as opposed to the sad clowns who are politicians and at best might be unintentionally funny.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2015 07:18 PM (DXzRD)

179 The problem with having a really big brain is that it's easy to get lost in thought.
-------------------------
Then there's that thing with Jules quoting fake Bible verses and shooting you in the face.

Posted by: Brad at March 14, 2015 07:19 PM (EEIG6)

180 Negotiate when you can, compromise when you have to.

Posted by: Night Darkness Spending Time at March 14, 2015 07:19 PM (U8pol)

181 Doesn't really matter what we think in this Republic, once elected our "representatives" are no longer beholden to their constituents, voters. Only solution left is State conventions to limit Federal authority. Term limits and an end to government employee unions are a must.

Posted by: Billygoatpuke at March 14, 2015 07:21 PM (l5QMI)

182 It's not just women-voters who are Pro Abortion.

There are millions of men who want to keep it legal.
They may not admit to it...but they want to keep that option open.

Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2015 07:21 PM (gQua2)

183 The challenge with abortion is that the genie is out of the bottle. We could have a US POTUS who was 100% pro-life AND have pro-lifers in control of Congress and in every state, but the drugs are out there to induce abortions.

So, ultimately, the abortion battle still has to be won in the hearts and minds of individuals (and medical professionals and pharmaceutical mfrs), not just politicians.

That's why for me it will never be a litmus test issue for POTUS (short of the person being a raging baby-killing ghoul like Obama), despite the fact that I'm a 100% pro-life/no-exceptions person.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:21 PM (9BRsg)

184 "What have we gotten lately?"

We've been winning on the gun rights for the last decade, if not longer. Then again, that might have something to do with the fact that the NRA and other guns rights groups take a "no compromise" position on the 2nd Amendment. We've won these battles by fighting, not by the left conceding.

Posted by: holygoat at March 14, 2015 07:22 PM (EnqZ3)

185 Funny is how you know you are riding the tide; if it isn't funny that is the sign your aren't in the main channel, you're aground.

The thing is to dredge a channel to where you want to go and that takes work.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Rousing the Rabble at the Outrage Outlet! at March 14, 2015 07:22 PM (K/tQx)

186 You're telling me! It's damn near impossible to find a 7 & 3/4 hat size anywhere.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 07:17 PM (3HxZe)

Lol. 'Big barn for a big tractor'. (wife's comment) My show off wife because her head is bigger than mine. Well that... and she smarter.

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 14, 2015 07:23 PM (JgQLj)

187 A pretty special right that a president has is to nominate SC justices. We've gone from 7-2 pro-life in 1973 to 4-4 now. This may be the bext chance that pro-lifers will ever get to have a majority in the SC. So I cheated and said I was willing to compromise on pro-choice.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 14, 2015 07:23 PM (+jijM)

188 >>Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2015 07:21 PM

Absolutely. It's really annoying when the existence of abortion is blamed on women when it has been such a convenience for many irresponsible men, too.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:23 PM (9BRsg)

189 I will support a conservative Obama. Which is to say, go pro-women, pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro minimum wage increase and whatever else you need to say to pull the wool over people's eyes and then once in office become the most radical Constitutionalist candidate the world has ever seen, ignoring rules, laws and regulations to destroy everything that the liberals ever created.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 14, 2015 07:23 PM (oeGBf)

190 Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:21 PM (9BRsg)

Yeah, but methods for abortion have been around for thousands of years. There have been herbal remedies, physical remedies, etc.

It's not like it's a new phenomena. It's been around as long as unwanted pregnancies have.

We've just gotten more efficient at it. Fewer complications and unwanted side effects now.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 14, 2015 07:23 PM (AkOaV)

191 Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 14, 2015 07:23 PM (oeGBf)

Well, that's what I like about Rand Paul. Not the pulling the wool over peoples eyes part, but how he's willing to buck the R party line and go libertarian, which confuses the LIVs in the media and the culture on some issues and makes them think he's one of them.

But I'm sure he'd govern in a way that would make us much more happy then a Jeb.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 14, 2015 07:25 PM (AkOaV)

192 If you have to compromise today on positions that would have seemed like common sense to a Democrat sixty years ago, what does that tell you about the direction of conservative politics?

Posted by: kartoffel at March 14, 2015 07:26 PM (szYND)

193 We've just gotten more efficient at it. Fewer complications and unwanted side effects now.
--

That's a pretty big barrier to have overcome.

What I'm saying is that even if abortion was illegal, it won't end in this country until it becomes socially unacceptable (again). No politician is going to make that happen. People as individuals make that happen through their interactions with each other and through civic and religious organizations, imho.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:26 PM (9BRsg)

194 Here's some pix of huge semis parked by the Kremlin tonight:

http://tinyurl.com/ovxg285

They're saying they look just like the trucks that hauled troops into Donbass in the Ukraine.

They also cite what seems to be a proverb: when it smells like spring, the shootings begin.

Ha!

I'll keep looking for the tanks. Oh, and all those flowers mark the spot where Nemtsov got executed.

Posted by: Trotsky w/an icepick in his head at March 14, 2015 07:27 PM (LaZ5x)

195 Is Vlad the impaler still dead?

Posted by: eleven at March 14, 2015 07:27 PM (MDgS8)

196 But I'm sure he'd govern in a way that would make us much more happy then a Jeb.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 14, 2015 07:25 PM (AkOaV)

It'd be hard for him to do *worse*.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 14, 2015 07:28 PM (3HxZe)

197 Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2015 07:21 PM (gQua2)

Because most of the men who are pro choice are so based on supporting a 'woman's right' .

Posted by: Night Darkness Spending Time at March 14, 2015 07:28 PM (U8pol)

198 So Putin divorced his wife last year, is that right?

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:28 PM (9BRsg)

199 Beijing has summoned the ambassador for Myanmar after one of that country's planes dropped bombs and killed 4 Chinese.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 07:29 PM (XlShK)

200 @187, I meant 7-2 pro-abortion.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 14, 2015 07:29 PM (+jijM)

201 @192

That conservative politics have swung way left--not willing to follow them any more.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 14, 2015 07:29 PM (jeCnD)

202 "Personal Jesus" was Depeche Mode which is about as gay a group as gay could get without everyone there running around with rainbow flags sticking out of their eyes.*

And then Johnny Cash did "Personal Jesus" and he now (though dead) owns this song.

https://
www.youtube.
com/watch?v=
TTg7NcucINc

*Note: There no known sightings of any human with Rainbow Flags sticking out of their eyes.

Again, remove the spaces.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Rousing the Rabble at the Outrage Outlet! at March 14, 2015 07:30 PM (K/tQx)

203 Because most of the men who are pro choice are so based on supporting a 'woman's right' .
--

Do you really believe that? To believe that you are positing that women are more for "sex for fun not for babies" than are men. I find that really hard to believe.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:30 PM (9BRsg)

204 Hell yes- the dude that could'nt keep his pecker wrapped is going to vote for abortion so he isn't paying 18 years out of his paycheck for an oopsie , my bad.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2015 07:30 PM (6EOAR)

205
this is the weirdest car thread ever

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 14, 2015 07:31 PM (9sdh/)

206 Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:30 PM (

Ask any pro choice man why they are pro choice. Ask ace.

Posted by: Night Darkness Spending Time at March 14, 2015 07:32 PM (U8pol)

207 173 Here's a bright spot for your day: There is yet another generation of Bush politicians with whom we must contend at some future date.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 07:15 PM (DmNpO)

You're not exactly cut out for a job as a counselor on a suicide hotline. Just sayin'.

Posted by: rickl at March 14, 2015 07:32 PM (sdi6R)

208 I want to be clear, I want a conservative idealogues that will lie, cheat and steal his way into office. One that can look a PETA nut, a rabid feminist, the flamingest gay that ever was and lie and make them believe it.

Then I want them to turn their back on every promise they made to those fringe nuts and sic the AG on pot sellers, have the IRS deny feminist non profits, prosecute activist judges, and tell evey voter that the AG won't be prosecuting those that fail to file income taxes.

Tired of our pussy footing. Time to fight fire with fire.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 14, 2015 07:33 PM (oeGBf)

209 We've just gotten more efficient at it. Fewer complications and unwanted side effects now.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 14, 2015 07:23 PM (AkOaV)

The back-street butchers now hang their signs out on Main St.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 14, 2015 07:33 PM (+jijM)

210 195 Is Vlad the impaler still dead?

Posted by: eleven at March 14, 2015 07:27 PM (MDgS

He's taking a 10 day nap.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 14, 2015 07:34 PM (oFCZn)

211 Wait. There are some gay rights advocates willing to sacrifice gay marriage?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 14, 2015 05:52 PM (DmNpO)

Gay marriage is a fait accompli and at this point voting for a politician who is against it won't change anything.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 14, 2015 07:34 PM (0Ew3K)

212 >Ask any pro choice man why they are pro choice

Go look at crime statistics 1980-2000.

Posted by: kartoffel at March 14, 2015 07:34 PM (szYND)

213 So is Schrodinger's Cat now in charge of Russia?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2015 07:35 PM (XlShK)

214 >>Ask any pro choice man why they are pro choice. Ask ace.

That's not an answer.

Your thesis is that if men were in charge, there would be fewer abortions or no abortions.

I call bullshit on that absent some data.

Also, NOOD thread.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:36 PM (9BRsg)

215 Ask any pro choice man why they are pro choice
-------------------------
Because it's murder. Murder of innocent defenseless life. It's wrong, period.

Posted by: Brad at March 14, 2015 07:39 PM (EEIG6)

216 Off Pulp Fiction sock!

Posted by: shredded chi at March 14, 2015 07:39 PM (EEIG6)

217 "They're saying they look just like the trucks that hauled troops into Donbass in the Ukraine."

Trucks are trucks; the thing to look for are the unit insignia - usually on a bumper - giving division/regiment/company - and so on. And even that, in a place like Russia which is so large, trucks may be left behind as a unit moves, and then on arrival using the transport of another unit to move them where they are needed.

Just because a bumper flash says, say "Co. B, 1st Bat, 504 PIR" does not mean that those debarking are from that unit.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Rousing the Rabble at the Outrage Outlet! at March 14, 2015 07:39 PM (K/tQx)

218 206 Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2015 07:30 PM (

Ask any pro choice man why they are pro choice. Ask ace.

---

So what about all the men who advocate for "financial abortions"?

All reasons for supporting abortion are ghoulish, of course, but your argument is still ridiculous since plenty of men call themselves pro-choice for eugenic reasons (though they rarely actually use the word eugenics) or because they themselves don't want to be punished with a baby.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 14, 2015 07:45 PM (mB6ez)

219 with Jeb Bush suggesting we wear devices which will tattle to our doctors when we skip a dose of medicine.

-------

Is that a real deal?

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 14, 2015 07:50 PM (A98Xu)

220 I have never seen a poll here or a link for one. I do run adblock so is that why?

Posted by: FCF at March 14, 2015 07:56 PM (kejii)

221 I'm pro-choice for completely feminist reasons and not at all because I am willing to kill another human being in order to avoid paying child support.

Posted by: Rae Carruth at March 14, 2015 07:57 PM (mB6ez)

222 We're not going to get legislation that reflects our beliefs. It's just not going to happen. It's time to either change our beliefs or prepare for living outside the law.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 14, 2015 08:03 PM (lG2E3)

223
Problem with the Vlad situation is that it is the devil you know vs the devil you dont.

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 14, 2015 08:04 PM (iQIUe)

224 "The challenge with abortion is that the genie is out of the bottle. We could have a US POTUS who was 100% pro-life AND have pro-lifers in control of Congress and in every state, but the drugs are out there to induce abortions. "

A country that has fairly successfully banned dueling, slavery, and segregrated dining, does not need to settle for less on abortion.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 08:05 PM (8rRE+)

225 Tanks in front of Moscow mayors office, turretts pointed at the building

Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 14, 2015 08:09 PM (zOTsN)

226 None. I guess I'm just not a compromising person anymore. Compromising is for losers. And establishment Republicans. The very question is offensive. Choose up to three? No. You choose up to three.

Posted by: bour3 at March 14, 2015 08:11 PM (5x3+2)

227 "It's time to either change our beliefs or prepare for living outside the law."

Look at the 47 Traitors. It's very satisfying to deny the Left any moral or physical authority.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 08:12 PM (8rRE+)

228 31
The poll results re: pro-life policy really surprised me. I thought the
Horde was a lot more unwilling to compromise on the sanctity of life.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 14, 2015 06:06 PM (mB6ez)

Since public policy now is pretty much anti-baby, I think the compromise position would be we would like to outlaw abortions altogether but we we will settle (right now) for an absolute ban on abortions over 20 weeks or even over the age of viability. Remember, what Gosnell did was only illegal because he allowed babies to be born all the way and draw their first breaths before he severed their spinal cords and murdered them. If he had used chemicals to kill them in utero, he would have been golden as far as the law is concerned.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 14, 2015 08:18 PM (5DGKy)

229 As far as gay marriage goes, I do not see a compromise position on this at all so long as courts are deeming it to be a civil right that is subject to public accommodations requirements (as unconstitutional as those are).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 14, 2015 08:20 PM (5DGKy)

230 49
Call me a child if you must, but I have to agree on the "no compromise" stance.

What's the purpose of stating beliefs, a platform if you will, if you're admitting up front that well, it's really not that important to me?

Just to play along, I voted for one issue - gay marriage. Because,
well, it really doesn't affect my life. And that whole "live and let
live" thing...

Posted by: shredded chi at March 14, 2015 06:14 PM (N9CcE)

What in the entire gay marriage debate makes you think that advocates for homosexuals are willing to "live and let live."

Posted by: redbanzai at March 14, 2015 08:25 PM (5DGKy)

231 1) Pro-Life
2) Anti-Gay Marriage
3) Foreign Policy: Strong Military Presence Overseas

These I can compromise on, because I'm a Libertarian.

Posted by: Jason M at March 14, 2015 08:26 PM (+urQ2)

232 Since Bush did nothing to solve the problems of Veterans, I must concede that I did in fact vote for a guy who did not solve their problems. I refuse to call for the election of a man who sets out to do nothing about it.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 14, 2015 08:29 PM (8rRE+)

233 202 (I think; too lazy to doublecheck)

I dunno. "depressed mood" did take a more masculine approach with "I Feel You"

Posted by: Bretzysdude at March 14, 2015 08:29 PM (nUjl4)

234 I'm willing to compromise on the death sentence for the rank-and-file of the GOPe.

Leadership still gets it.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 14, 2015 09:53 PM (+fJ+k)

235 First Time, long time.....

One cannot compromise with the truth. The "truth" is that every issue listed has a position based on truth and reason, while opposed by positions of feelings and power.

(Please note that any inferred obstinacy can be attributed to Uncle Stacy, Professor Glenn, and of course, His Overlordship Ace.)

Posted by: Mad Joel at March 15, 2015 02:46 AM (ndv8V)

236 I agree with the top 4, I am completely, totally unwilling to compromise on any of those... I am willing to compromise on any of the social issues, that would include;

Abortion
Drugs
gay marriage

Posted by: Shoey at March 15, 2015 01:31 PM (vA94g)

237 ... and that last one was really hard for me

Posted by: Shoey at March 15, 2015 01:34 PM (vA94g)

238 I did not want to compromise on any issues.

Posted by: davidk at March 21, 2015 07:36 PM (y0ncR)

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