ACLU: Um, Okay, I Guess We Have to Admit the OU SAE Expulsions are Completely Unconstitutional

Earlier the local ACLU had put out a statement reason calls "baffling:"

However, a spokesman with the Oklahoma chapter of the ACLU said it appeared OU had done nothing wrong.
"From everything we've seen it appears the university has stuck by their commitment to due process," Oklahoma ACLU director Ryan Kiesel said. “As deeply disturbing as what (SAE) has done, it appears the university is nevertheless committed to insuring all of their procedural rights.'"

I don't know what's happening to this country, when even the ACLU is getting behind Speech Purges, and only comes out against them when they're embarrassed into doing so.

I have to confess my own bad behavior on this score: My own post was similarly "baffling," despite this also being my pet issue. In my own case, I mistook the situation we were in; I thought the University was within its rights, so that the only thing to be argued over was whether it should do something it had the right to do (a fight I imagined, as I still do, which would be utterly futile*).

In fact, they do not have the right to do it, and universities are required by law, despite being private institutions, to administer questions of the first amendment with all/most of the restrictions placed on the government.

David Harsyani had the right position coming out of the gate. (As did many commenters here.)

Eugene Volokh asks: What's next?

Students talking to each other about a student group event about how Hamas has it right? (The Charter of Hamas, recall, expressly says, "The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: 'The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.' (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).") Why, that could be labeled leading an anti-Semitic and exclusionary discussion that, once it’s publicized on campus, creates a hostile educational environment for Jews.
Black students talking to each other about how all whites are racist, and white cops -- and maybe other whites --- should get shot? Again, that could be labeled racist and exclusionary speech that, when publicized, can create a hostile educational environment for whites

Part of my problem with that kind of analysis is this: It is idealistic, and departs far from reality. We all understand the reality we are dealing with: Whites are now legally second-class citizens as regards this sort of law (and many others), and no college would ever try to boot out students for the kind of "racism" Volokh discusses. Oh, I suppose maybe some explicitly, actually Christian university might try the former, but they'd be backed down quickly after a bevy of lawyers and newsvans swarmed the campus.

No, what we are talking about with these Speechcraft trials is more-or-less explicitly a tool for non-whites to punish whites. (Caveat: Conservative minorities can expect to be treated as "white" for these purposes, because Race Traitors.)

And no, that's not just An Racist talking. The leftwingers pushing these Speechcraft trials are admirably upfront about their belief that speech codes bind "Oppressors" only, and do not bind "The Oppressed."

There is even a claim made -- frequently -- that blacks are definitionally incapable of being racist, no matter how filled with racist animus a particular black person might be. The silly claim goes that Racism equals Racial Animus Plus Power, and as they have explicitly defined themselves as the powerless Oppressed, it is actually impossible for a black person to be racist.

(They ignore the situations in which black people do in fact have "power" over other people. But that's what silly ideologues do, ignore reality.)

So really the only realistic situation where this sort of unconstitutional-but-politically-correct persecution happens is against one of the "Oppressor" cohorts (white, male, cisgendered, Christian, etc.) for the socially hard-to-defend speech that upsets one of the designated "Oppressed" castes (nonwhite, female, gay or trans, Muslim etc.)

Trotting out "what if they do it to Muslims" or "what if they do it to blacks" is silly-- Muslims and blacks know they won't do it to them. These sorts of unjust prosecutions are nothing but upside for the "Oppressed" -- they are a wonderful vehicle for inflicting cruelty upon hypothetical Oppressors, but they have near-zero chance of being turned against "the Oppressed" themselves.**

Perhaps we need to change that. Perhaps we need to inflict as much stupid cruelty versus these things on the so-called "Oppressed" to achieve a Balance of Terror on the process, an aversion about it from all sides.

But that's silly too: Liberals in universities are not going to also bring unconstitutional speech prosecutions against blacks, gays, women, and Muslims.

I don't know. I have no idea.

Pretty much the country is lost.

* My crusades of late have been about situations where a company has a right to fire an employee (and a company has the right to fire any white at-will employee, and most people under contract, too), but which could be pressured, possibly, into not exercising that right. My thinking was, if a Mob pressured them to harass someone for his speech, another Mob -- a better Mob -- can pressure them into not harassing someone for his speech.

I thought, incorrectly it turns out, that OU had the right to do this, so we were in a Clash of Mobs situation, and I figured our Mob had no chance.

But it's a different thing entirely if OU actually has no right to do this in the first place.

** This mode of argument is of possible usefulness with Liberals. However, it is useless with Leftists. A Liberal might actually care that what is sought is a two-tiered system of justice and rights.

A Leftist cares, too, but he's in favor of that, explicitly. Perhaps there was a time with Leftists would lie about their objective; but they're admirably forthright now. If you tell a Leftist, "But you're creating a system wherein whites have lesser speech rights than blacks," the Leftist will say, proudly, "Exactly."

The media likes to talk about conservatives become MOAR XXXTREME; they never seem to notice that many former marginal Liberals are now simply Leftists, and that all Leftists have become more radicalized and militant about their Leftism.***

*** It is useful to note that "social justice" expressly means group justice, as opposed to individual justice; the very notion of "social justice" is intended as a corrective to the perceived perfidies of individual justice.

Leftism is exactly antithetical to the Enlightenment values of justice for each individual, the cornerstone of the liberal tradition (of which liberal conservatives are the most fructuous and vigorous descendants). Leftism posits that doing justice in each individual case will result in "injustices" for the Oppressed groups who are Poorly Served by Your White Man's Justice; "social justice" is therefore explicitly about one group demanding collective punishment of another group.

And the Left has not created this system so that they may be punished by it; as I already mentioned, they have a great many doctrines justifying explicitly two-tiered, race-conscious "justice." The "Racism = Racial Animus Plus Power" is simply the most well known and easiest to repeat doctrine. It's so simple, in fact, that idiots like Spike Lee can understand it and are fond of repeating its stupid falsity.

Posted by: Ace at 12:14 PM

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1 Pretty much the country is lost.

My feelings too...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:17 PM (Bn6aD)

2 It was fun while it lasted

Posted by: Trump at March 13, 2015 12:19 PM (6eftR)

3 This isn't new. The ACLU was hot and bothered for the KKK in Skokie, but largely took a dive when bubba conjured up zones around abortion clinics.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 13, 2015 12:20 PM (Spluw)

4 I don't know what's happening to this country, when even the ACLU is getting behind Speech Purges, and only comes out against them when they're embarrassed into doing so.

They're leftists first.

Their selectivity of outrage established that a long time ago.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:22 PM (MMC8r)

5 I don't know what's happening to this country, when even the ACLU is
getting behind Speech Purges, and only comes out against them when
they're embarrassed into doing so.

It will all come together when you remember the ACLU was founded by communists and they are still far left.

IOW, free speech for me and mine but not for you.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 13, 2015 12:22 PM (wlDny)

6 Pretty much the country is lost.

I wish this wasn't how I've been feeling for a couple of years now as well.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at March 13, 2015 12:22 PM (Lqb+9)

7 "But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg: isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!"

Posted by: Otter at March 13, 2015 12:22 PM (Tj+s6)

8 Good news! I just got accepted to a grad school program at OU!

They did what now?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 13, 2015 12:22 PM (VAsIq)

9 Lost or lost it's way?

Posted by: ABC Sitcom Lost or Lost in Space at March 13, 2015 12:23 PM (jT+gh)

10 So... Kucinich 2016?

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 12:23 PM (RQDhf)

11 If the kid was on the OU basketball team, could they kick him off the team and take his scholarship away ?

Posted by: Night Darkness Spending Time at March 13, 2015 12:23 PM (U8pol)

12 And BTW, the supremes ruled long ago that hate speech laws were unconstitutional. College speech codes were not involved in that case but they are essentially the same thing.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 13, 2015 12:23 PM (wlDny)

13 Non-favored groups should deluge their University conduct offices with reports of "bad-acting" by favored groups.

Posted by: Diatribean at March 13, 2015 12:23 PM (B4j90)

14 The Prophet Ace, praise be his hairy back, the Reason?

Eric Holder

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 13, 2015 12:24 PM (osxzA)

15

The Academic Perspective is completely idealistic and disjointed from reality.

Hence Professor Preezy.

Posted by: Garrett at March 13, 2015 12:24 PM (WWKcX)

16 The reaction would've been interesting if this had been some white star players on the football team.

Posted by: brak at March 13, 2015 12:24 PM (Tj+s6)

17 I will never defend what those "to stupid to be in school" idiots didm but it is nice to see liberals hosted on their own petards. Anyone have any popcorn and beer?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:24 PM (rDqRv)

18 Just watching the hysteria in the media of this and the 24/7 coverage was enough to let me know We are doomed as a Nation.......

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:24 PM (Bn6aD)

19 Almost anything said that is controversial is going to offend someone. Nobody seems to mind when the person being offended is white, Christian, or pro-US, and that is where the slippery slope begins. There should not be criminal or financial penalties applied to speech, no matter how offensive it is, coming from a governmental or quasi-governmental agency, and the only penalty from private interests should be in refusing to do business with them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 12:25 PM (/i3Yt)

20 It appears that SAE has hired Stephen Jones (Timothy McVeigh lawyer) to sue OU.

Posted by: Furious George at March 13, 2015 12:25 PM (UlJ3l)

21 Lawsuits and back-tracking are probably cheaper than repairing the lawn after the press camps out giving OU shit for months. Certainly cheaper than riot repair.

Posted by: DaveA at March 13, 2015 12:26 PM (DL2i+)

22 The extra-judicial 'justice' system on the campus sure moved with lightning speed, huh? A matter of hours, and anyone affiliated with the fraternity was tried and convicted.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:26 PM (MMC8r)

23 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:24 PM (rDqRv)

It is not necessary to defend those troglodytes.

It is merely necessary to prevent government from punishing citizens for their speech.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2015 12:26 PM (Zu3d9)

24 22 The extra-judicial 'justice' system on the campus sure moved with lightning speed, huh? A matter of hours, and anyone affiliated with the fraternity was tried and convicted.

And thrown out without any due process.... Like I said We are sooo screwed..

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:27 PM (Bn6aD)

25 Country's not lost, but for the longest time (and perhaps even today) an honest discussion on race was discouraged on AoSHQ, with inevitably some silly little "cleanup on aisle 36" comment whenever a poster acknowledges that, as it stands today, blacks hate whites. Not all, mind you, but close to the 95% who voted for Obama ... TWICE.

The Race War began some time ago -- maybe it never really stopped, I dunno -- but the first step toward fixing a problem is correctly acknowledging the problem, and I'm delighted these doors for discussion seem to be opening a crack on this otherwise phenomenally accommodating site.

Posted by: Kate58 at March 13, 2015 12:27 PM (MvtKs)

26 So are the Palestine (Arab) student at UC Davis getting kicked out for their anti-Semitic slurs shouted at the Jewish students during student council getting kicked out now also?.......Didn't think so.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 13, 2015 12:27 PM (S+el1)

27 Rage against the dying of the light!

Posted by: jmel at March 13, 2015 12:27 PM (78oqd)

28 OU violated their own process. That alone should be enough for the students to win their case.

Posted by: Lauren at March 13, 2015 12:27 PM (OlJ9S)

29 FOUNDATION! What's the north American version of the terminus system?

Posted by: Beats27 at March 13, 2015 12:27 PM (V8L/P)

30
>>Almost anything said that is controversial is going to offend someone.

Which is why we have to defend even speech we don't like. What a shame people have lost their minds on this point, but at least the ACLU is belatedly getting back in the game.

Posted by: Lea at March 13, 2015 12:27 PM (lIU4e)

31

Pretty much the country is lost.

--------------------------

What difference, at this point, does it make?1/1/1!?!?!!??

oh,,

Remember to vote Hillary! in 16'....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 13, 2015 12:28 PM (HSmrB)

32 They should have just put them on double secret probation..

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:28 PM (Bn6aD)

33 I left the site, checked out some articles, come back and there's not even 30 comments. I guess we're bored to death of RACISM.

Bring back the rape.....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 13, 2015 12:29 PM (AC0lD)

34 Posted by: Kate58 at March 13, 2015 12:27 PM (MvtKs)

I have been around here for a long time, and I have never seen any comment edited or deleted for stating that "blacks hate whites."

Sorry to rain on your parade. Try again!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2015 12:29 PM (Zu3d9)

35 Was it over when the Irish bombed the Alamo?

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2015 12:29 PM (Ae7K+)

36 OU violated their own process. That alone should be enough for the students to win their case.
Posted by: Lauren
That there process be more like what ye might reckon as being 'guidelines'.

Posted by: Prof. Barbarossa of the raging goniff at March 13, 2015 12:30 PM (Spluw)

37 There are two groups in America today.

One is comprised of those of us who cling to the idea that we are a country of laws.

The other is composed of the cadres of oppressive elites who occupy the commanding heights of government and their government-cheese-eating serfs.

The only way forward is to conduct lawfare and expose the violations of the 14th Amendment inherent in the oppressive agenda. The OU students should sue for the asymmetry in the laws, regulations and their enforcement.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at March 13, 2015 12:30 PM (SGtBn)

38 This is the same thing as that rancher in Nevada (can't remember his name). What the govt did to him was fucked up, even though he's an asshole.

These SAE dudes are assholes, but that doesn't mean what OU did was right.

But of course in the MSM, the two are inseparable. If you disagree with what OU did, you're a Klansman.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 12:30 PM (0LHZx)

39 But of course in the MSM, the two are inseparable. If you disagree with what OU did, you're a Klansman.

Yup...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:31 PM (Bn6aD)

40 The only racial stuff that I can remember getting talking-too'd were the ones that relish a little too much in liberal socked racial stuff.

Oh, and the inevitable Stormfronters.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 12:31 PM (q/kmn)

41 It is not necessary to defend those troglodytes.

It is merely necessary to prevent government from punishing citizens for their speech.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2015 12:26 PM (Zu3d9)

yes i get it, that is why I want the popcorn and beer

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:32 PM (rDqRv)

42 34 "Sorry to rain on your parade. Try again!"

I've been mostly lurking daily for seven years now -- Ace is my homepage -- but okay, I'm wrong, sorry.

I have no interest in proving anything on the Internet ... wasted my time and annoys the pig.

Posted by: Kate58 at March 13, 2015 12:32 PM (MvtKs)

43 I don't believe that 95% of blacks hate whites.

But the percentage that do have a system that gives them a platform and license to do it.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:33 PM (MMC8r)

44 I was in college in the mid 90s, right before all this insanity on campus started. It was sort of there at the margins, but it was such a small minority of people we laughed at them.

I'd probably be arrested and/or expelled if I did 1/2 the shit I did in college today. It is sad and yes the country is lost.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 12:33 PM (0LHZx)

45 Restoring freedom of association would go a long ways towards fixing this crap, IMO.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 12:33 PM (W2YA6)

46 It's nice to know there's at least one kind of tree that likes us :3

Posted by: hogmartin at March 13, 2015 12:33 PM (BVSyW)

47
All I can figure out to say is types deletes types deletes.

I hate this stupid shit.

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2015 12:33 PM (Ae7K+)

48 The entire OU fiasco is way out of hand. Huge overreaction and outrage to eleventy-seven

Posted by: Yip at March 13, 2015 12:34 PM (84SRe)

49 I hate this stupid shit.

Me too...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:34 PM (Bn6aD)

50 ace,

I hate to say atoadaso, but fucking atoadaso

http://tinyurl.com/l5c5dyf

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:34 PM (AkOaV)

51 47 "All I can figure out to say is types deletes types deletes."

Sort of proves my point that Ace isn't as free as, say, Amren for honest discussions on race.

Posted by: Kate58 at March 13, 2015 12:35 PM (MvtKs)

52
What those students did was exercise their free speech right--doesn't matter how sleazy that speech is/was.

That MUST be allowed, period. The consequences they face for exercising that right?

Part of me says tough shit,other part is outraged BECAUSE they were punished for exercising their right.

Still working through that part.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 13, 2015 12:35 PM (jeCnD)

53 My fraternity had a pimp and ho party once. I can only imagine having that party in 2015......

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 12:35 PM (0LHZx)

54 Ace, et al, the podcast this week was teh awesome. Good work guys.

Posted by: Yip at March 13, 2015 12:35 PM (84SRe)

55 Meanwhile, the family of the student has been chased out of their home by the angry mob. Because of something their 19 year old son did in private.

Posted by: Lauren at March 13, 2015 12:35 PM (OlJ9S)

56 The OU reporting sure does take a lot of airtime. Good thing we've got President Perfect out there not making news.

Oh, and Secretary Evitable has answered all questions satisfactorily.

BTW, have they finished going through Sarah Palin's emails yet?

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 12:36 PM (W2YA6)

57 Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:33 PM (MMC8r)

Maybe not 95%, but a LARGE number of blacks dislike whites. It's a learned behavior, mostly learned in schools and pop culture.

Whites are racist slave owners who to this day have license to hunt down and kill blacks for no reason. #blacklivesmatter

Oh, also whites invented AIDS and crack to kill off blacks. And they put STDs in condoms to make black men sterile. (all of those statements are fairly common in the black community)

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:36 PM (AkOaV)

58 Pretty much the country is lost.

Yep......

Posted by: Sponge at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (F4u7C)

59 55 Meanwhile, the family of the student has been chased out of their home by the angry mob. Because of something their 19 year old son did in private.

Posted by: Lauren at March 13, 2015 12:35 P

Really?

Thanks obama...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (Bn6aD)

60 Yikes! And away!

http://www.e2046.com/product/22767

Comment of "I'd hit that..." in 5, 4, 3...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (oCRs9)

61 I went to college in the day when the Black Fraternity did not allow Whites in the door upon threats of a beating.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (rDqRv)

62 Not so fast, ACLU...

Posted by: Chinless Shitstain, AG at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (8TdcF)

63
I think misunderstand me Kate.

Both sides are wrong in this case and I hate the whole situation.

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (Ae7K+)

64 Mocking the King is a long and honored tradition in the US. Especially when the king is self appointed like the current tribe who declare anyone unlike themselves to be an inferior species.

Tell an American 'you can not do that' and the answer is often 'Oh yeah? Hold my beer and watch this'. It's genetic.

Posted by: King of Suede at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (22fO/)

65 Posted by: Lauren at March 13, 2015 12:35 PM (OlJ9S)

Yep, that's the world we live in.

They will probably have to change their names, quit their jobs, and move.

Because their teenager was an idiot. Like teenagers are wont to be.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (AkOaV)

66 Pretty much the country is lost.

I tried to warn you.

Posted by: Zombie Ben Franklin at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (evQne)

67 -pretty much the country is lost-

So has the Private Hudson wing prepared the cyanide cocktails for themselves, their children and grandchildren?

No? What's keeping you?

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (SCcgT)

68 they put STDs in condoms to make black men sterile. (all of those statements are fairly common in the black community)
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:36 PM (AkOaV)

__________

That's a new one for me.

Just our of curiosity, how do "they" make sure that the STD infused condoms aren't accidentally used by whites?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (0LHZx)

69 http://reason.com/reasontv/2015/03/13/dc-matic

DC Matic hahahaha

Posted by: Yip at March 13, 2015 12:38 PM (84SRe)

70 If you disagree with what OU did, you're a Klansman.

--

There is a movement trying to ensure that a double standard is applied to the chosen group versus the unwelcome group. The reasoning is that the unwelcome group is often the one who pays the bills or carries the weight of the system, so they must be either enslaved, or held to a different standard, so that they can be milked while not enjoying the fruits of the system. Note that this also applies to the political parties, so that certain types of democrats are kept from the spoils system, and that certain types of republicans (read: Tea Party) are driven out in the primary process. The process also applies everywhere from college campuses to boardrooms. It isn't a conspiracy, it is human nature. Orwell noted it well when he observed the communist systems.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 12:38 PM (/i3Yt)

71 I hate conservatives. Hate 'em with a burning passion. In fact, I wish they would all die. If one came into my office, I just might kill him. They are the worst ever.

Posted by: stuff the IRS could say without fear of being fired at March 13, 2015 12:38 PM (VAsIq)

72 "Really? "

Yep. Their address and pictures of their home were published. The mob came to their door. They're also getting death threats.

Posted by: Lauren at March 13, 2015 12:38 PM (OlJ9S)

73 Pretty much the country is lost.I tried to warn you.
Posted by: Zombie Ben Franklin

Traitor

Posted by: leftard that hates letters which anger their King at March 13, 2015 12:39 PM (Spluw)

74 Think about how we have a whole party in this country that thinks the President should have the power to jail members of the opposition party if they dare express disagreement with the President.*

*Only when the President is a Democrat. Of Course.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 13, 2015 12:39 PM (ZvKdv)

75 "Pretty much the country is lost."

That's the spirit.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at March 13, 2015 12:39 PM (j5smH)

76 I don't know what's happening to this country, when even the ACLU is getting behind Speech Purges, and only comes out against them when they're embarrassed into doing so.

You're making the joke, yes? The ACLU is made up entirely of communists and their fellow travelers. It's everything for The Party.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 13, 2015 12:40 PM (rwI+c)

77
Yes, if there was ever an unimpeachable organ of virtue, it was the ACLU...

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 13, 2015 12:40 PM (Pww3C)

78 Just our of curiosity, how do "they" make sure that the STD infused condoms aren't accidentally used by whites?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (0LHZx)

Oh, this is the best part. They only put them in the XL condoms (like Magnums) because, you know, black guys have bigger ahem packages than whites. It's science and all that. (although, i saw a science (TM) study recently that said the opposite).

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:40 PM (AkOaV)

79 "White man's greed runs a world in need."

Posted by: Holy and Blessed Advisor to at March 13, 2015 12:40 PM (MvtKs)

80 No; The only one who knows if the country is lost and what that means or what direction that will take ultimately is God. We still have a choice to be here-for when our kids come home from school, when our spouse wants to tell us about their hard day at work, to listen and pray when someone on the board needs prayer, to go out in the sunshine and take a walk to get their 10,000 a day steps,, to call Senators or Congresspeople, to write important blogposts on politics, Every day we have choices for good or evil which cannot be taken away from us unless we cannot rationally think or relate to others. This man, Fr, Walter Ciszek, a Priest from PA imprisoned in the Soviet Union, tortured and sent to the gulags and then returned to America says this much better than I ever could about freedom:

http://tinyurl.com/kmosn2v

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2015 12:40 PM (DXzRD)

81 "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Remember that one?

Yeah, good times, good times...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 13, 2015 12:40 PM (wtvvX)

82
Yeah, we could always count on the ACLU to be fair and uncorrupted arbiters of free speech.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 13, 2015 12:41 PM (Pww3C)

83
Just like Amnesty International...

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 13, 2015 12:41 PM (Pww3C)

84
Whites are racist slave owners who to this day have license to hunt down and kill blacks for no reason. #blacklivesmatter

Oh, also whites invented AIDS and crack to kill off blacks. And they put STDs in condoms to make black men sterile. (all of those statements are fairly common in the black community)

And the rampant conspiracy nonsense urban legends make it easy to see why so many people still buy the 'Wilson executed Michael Brown with his hands up' BS. Basically you're abandoning responsibility for your own life by clinging to an absurd belief that the world is cartoonishly stacked against you.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (MMC8r)

85 Maybe if they'd worn paper-mache heads and sung about the Jews it would have been okay?

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (W2YA6)

86 Meanwhile, the family of the student has been chased out of their home by the angry mob. Because of something their 19 year old son did in private.

Posted by: Lauren at March 13, 2015 12:35 PM (OlJ9S)

Where was this?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (R8hU8)

87 Can we go back to talking about TV shows yet?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (VAsIq)

88 the country is lose

*taps chin in thought*

Should I link to Heavy Metal and the song "The Mob Rules" or that scene from Cabaret where all the Germans are lustily singing?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (oCRs9)

89 "Pretty much the country is lost."

Was channel surfing last nite and I happened upon Hannity and they were interviewing people on the street in Fergusen. If you heard what some of them said about the police shooting you would know the Country is lost..

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (Bn6aD)

90 Oh, also whites invented AIDS and crack to kill off blacks. And they put
STDs in condoms to make black men sterile. (all of those statements are
fairly common in the black community)

Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood really does butcher blacks in genocidal numbers, but if you notice you're dismissed as a crank.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (/kI1Q)

91
Well, if I'm reading this correctly this is one case where the law (should) lead to justice.

Everyone seems to agree that revoking SAE's charter was appropriate. The law seems to say that expelling the students was an overreach.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (JtwS4)

92 Comment of "I'd hit that..." in 5, 4, 3...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (oCRs9)

..2..1...
Yeah, I'd hit that.
(Except that I'm afraid that they would bounce back off the wall and knock me out.)

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 13, 2015 12:43 PM (CzJOg)

93
Can we go back to talking about TV shows yet?

I liked Big Bang Theory better when everyone wasn't all hooked up.

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2015 12:43 PM (Ae7K+)

94 The country is not lost. The government is.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 13, 2015 12:43 PM (rwI+c)

95
Country is NOT LOST.

Our bedrock--those precepts and ideals we were founded on are still extant--that genie is NEVER going back in the bottle.

They are simply suffering under the layer of filth deposited by the left.

In time we CAN remove that filth.

Might wish not to wave the white flag, people.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 13, 2015 12:43 PM (jeCnD)

96 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_Greek_and_fraternal_organizations

Or Blackgreek.com

Wonder what they chant on their buses?

Posted by: scottst at March 13, 2015 12:44 PM (oF94R)

97 stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me. There is a difference. No one want to hurt rap musicians.

Posted by: burt at March 13, 2015 12:44 PM (ls8AU)

98 They should not have expelled those students, they should have housed them in the all black dorm

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:44 PM (rDqRv)

99 Thanks for the good word, irongranpa.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2015 12:44 PM (DXzRD)

100 65% of all kids in this country live in a household that receives some sort of welfare. The country has been lost for a long time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 12:45 PM (0LHZx)

101
There was a hilarious Family Guy last week where Stewie got knocked up.

The third ep of Last Man on Earth was kinda meh but ok.

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2015 12:45 PM (Ae7K+)

102 1bulwetweft

Yep. If Kim Kardashian was an anime figure, there you go.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 12:45 PM (oCRs9)

103 Pretty soon they will be calling agitating for hobo hunting "beyond the pail". It never ends.

Posted by: Shtetl G at March 13, 2015 12:45 PM (SopIT)

104 It will all come together when you remember the ACLU was founded by communists and they are still far left.

Ya know, I'm a bit conflicted about the ACLU today. Yes, they had to be shamed into supporting their core purpose. Yes, they were founded by Communists and are run by and funded by far lefties, but dammit they came around to the correct 1st Amendment position.

How many lefties today will never come around to this correct position? In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the ACLU gets some blowback from the outrage brigade for taking the correct position.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 12:45 PM (jhqr1)

105 98 They should not have expelled those students, they should have housed them in the all black dorm

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:44 PM (rDqRv)

Why?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2015 12:45 PM (oKE6c)

106
Might wish not to wave the white flag, people.

I'm just angry... Not giving up yet...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 12:45 PM (Bn6aD)

107
You know what's *really* wrong with our country today?

That we're populated with people who too afraid to say in public that what the students did wasn't really that much of a big fucking deal.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 13, 2015 12:46 PM (Pww3C)

108 Might wish not to wave the white flag, people.

Posted by: irongrampa

-----

We don't know what else to do!

Posted by: The French at March 13, 2015 12:46 PM (VAsIq)

109 44 I was in college in the mid 90s, right before all this insanity on campus started. It was sort of there at the margins, but it was such a small minority of people we laughed at them.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 12:33 PM (0LHZx)

I was at BU in the 70s when Zinn tried to bring his idiot friend Marcuse on board. The only people who took Zinn seriously at that time were the people who didn't bathe and spent a lot time, uh, enlightening themselves. Now today both Zinn and Marcuse are practically gods on the college campuses. We are fucked.

Posted by: Caliban at March 13, 2015 12:46 PM (DrC22)

110 North Koreas communist government has created a dwarf village in a remote part of the country where short people it regards as undesirables are prevented from reproducing and forced to fend for themselves within the harsh Stalinist system.

hey that's a great idea for a song

Posted by: Randy Newman at March 13, 2015 12:46 PM (rDqRv)

111 Sure, America can come back. Sometime after the dollar collapses and "we" live under a few generations of tyranny.

Too many checks have been written for it to go any other way.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 12:46 PM (W2YA6)

112 65% of all kids in this country live in a household that receives some sort of welfare.

--

Totally coincidentally, that matches the percentage of kids in a single family home. The state is such an awesome father.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 12:46 PM (/i3Yt)

113 You know what I'd really like to see?

A "candid camera" type of documentary where blacks are interviewed about the racism they have personally suffered.

No, not the ginned up racism they heard some black, some where suffered--the actual, real-life examples of what racist acts they think they have been subject to.

I wonder: Are the people who say real racism is largely dead in this country right?
Or are the blacks who say racism is alive and well and widespread right?

That, that would be an honest conversation about race in this country.

You know what events I have personally witness where a black person has claimed racism?

A busy restaurant and bar on a Friday night in Dallas--nobody is getting a table in under an hour--but the black fellow started throwing a fit.
A busy store on a Saturday afternoon in San Francisco in a shopping district, two sales clerks and something like 20 people in the store. The black guy starts shouting about how it's racist he's not getting helped.

Jim Crow, you all. Jim. Crow.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 13, 2015 12:47 PM (ZvKdv)

114 They should not have expelled those students, they should have housed them in the all black dorm

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:44 PM (rDqRv)

Why?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2015 12:45 PM (oKE6c)

Why not?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:47 PM (rDqRv)

115 Instead of booting them out they should have raided the frat house with tasers and flash bangs
Just saying

Posted by: Puppy loving NCJ (trust me) at March 13, 2015 12:47 PM (h41Z5)

116 The other day Hollande from France actually did an important bit of statecraft. He put a "Non!" on plans to make a special 2 Euro coin to mark the Battle at Waterloo.

Man that Hollande is finally punching at the same weight as Gaylord.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 12:48 PM (oCRs9)

117 Was channel surfing last nite and I happened upon Hannity and they were interviewing people on the street in Fergusen. If you heard what some of them said about the police shooting you would know the Country is lost..

Loved the idiot in the mask.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 13, 2015 12:48 PM (S+el1)

118 These kids have had more punishment for two words than Al Sharpton ever had for 'interlopers' (or Tawana or Freddie's) or Jesse ever had for 'Hymietown.'

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:48 PM (MMC8r)

119 actually Christian university might try the former, but they'd be backed
down quickly after a bevy of lawyers and newsvans swarmed the campus.
-Ace

A Bevy of Lawyers = A Flock of Whores.

Posted by: Heralder at March 13, 2015 12:48 PM (/Mxso)

120 Ace - did you come up with the term Speechcraft?

Because that's brilliant.

Great post.

Posted by: gwelf at March 13, 2015 12:49 PM (nyxv/)

121 65% of all kids in this country live in a household that receives some sort of welfare.

--

Totally coincidentally, that matches the percentage of kids in a single ~~family~~parent home. The state is such an awesome father.

Fixed it for myself

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 12:49 PM (/i3Yt)

122 Why not?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2015 12:47 PM (rDqRv)

Huh?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2015 12:49 PM (oKE6c)

123 No one wants to hurt rap musicians.

---

If only, man, if only.

Posted by: Zombie Tupac at March 13, 2015 12:49 PM (VAsIq)

124 Well, if I'm reading this correctly this is one case where the law (should) lead to justice. Everyone seems to agree that revoking SAE's charter was appropriate. The law seems to say that expelling the students was an overreach.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

I think the difference is that such organizations are considered to be a part of the University or in a way afiliated with them. The crap the UVa did to every single frat AND sorority was in that vein. Nuking the organization is one thing; nuking the students is another.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 13, 2015 12:50 PM (Spluw)

125 "Perhaps we need to inflict as much stupid cruelty versus these things on the so-called "Oppressed" to achieve a Balance of Terror on the process, an aversion about it from all sides."

'Perhaps' was a possibility before the JEF SCOAMF was elected and then re-elected. Now the correct posture is "Of course we need to inflict far more stupid cruelty......"

Posted by: baldur5 at March 13, 2015 12:50 PM (yp15S)

126 >>Totally coincidentally, that matches the percentage of kids in a
single family home. The state is such an awesome father.

And much less judgey than a real daddy!

Posted by: Julia at March 13, 2015 12:50 PM (bdqzU)

127 Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:42 PM (MMC8r)

Yeah. Of COURSE the criminal justice system is corrupt and is hiding the truth.

Whitey invented the criminal justice system to keep the black man down. That's why 1 out of 3 black men will see the inside of a prison in their lifetime.

Cops are racist, judges are racist, prisons are racist, laws are racist, and besides, this country was founded by racist slave owners who had the gall to say "all men are created equal" while they had their slaves cleaning their houses.

This is all pretty well accepted in the black community and in our public school system and in academia and in government and anywhere blacks and/or white liberals are.

How do you change that mindset? It took 50 years of progressive propaganda to get here... I don't see how you reverse 3 generations of propaganda on an issue like that.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:51 PM (AkOaV)

128 Nobody seems to have noted that the SAE chant was to the tune of:

"If You're Happy and You Know It Clap Your Hands"
"There will never be a n***er S-A-E" [everyone claps]

Now I can't get that stupid chant out of my head.

Posted by: wooga at March 13, 2015 12:51 PM (OoVgj)

129 I know it rankles some people, but this is the problem with lawyers. You talk yourselves into circles of logic, where common sense and reasonable decency are not part of the equation.

Either what these kids did was bad and therefore punishable, or it wasn't. And if the Constitution says we don't punish people for speech, then we shouldn't. Parsing this down, depending on whether this is a public institution or not SHOULD NOT matter.

The only reason it does is because lawyers are in the business of interpreting law.

I say this with complete sincerity: Lawyers should either be in the business of making law, or interpreting it. Not both. Because we live in a land where the average lay person CAN NO LONGER interpret law for himself, we have lost many of our most basic freedoms.

We won't get them back until we ditch this rule of lawyers, and go back to rule of law.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 13, 2015 12:51 PM (TOk1P)

130 As a doctor who repairs noses my office was flooded with the broken noses of Ace's followers recently. Did Ace make a quick turn?

Posted by: Dr Free Speech at March 13, 2015 12:51 PM (WNERA)

131 The country is not lost. The government is.

Um, you do realize which is downstream from which?

That said, I'm with FenelonSpoke here--He can reverse this. Or perhaps more properly we can reverse this, with His aid and guidance...if we're willing to listen again.

Won't be quick. Won't be easy. Sure won't be painless.

Until I start to see signs folks are listening, you'll pardon me for hunkering down while doing what little I can.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 13, 2015 12:51 PM (DT3rQ)

132 92
Comment of "I'd hit that..." in 5, 4, 3...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 12:37 PM (oCRs9)

..2..1...
Yeah, I'd hit that.
(Except that I'm afraid that they would bounce back off the wall and knock me out.)

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 13, 2015 12:43 PM (CzJOg)

Dayyum!!!
What was that unit of measurement Steven Den Beste uses for boob size...?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 13, 2015 12:51 PM (wtvvX)

133 North Koreas communist government has created a dwarf village in a remote part of the country where short people it regards as undesirables are prevented from reproducing and forced to fend for themselves within the harsh Stalinist system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terror_of_Tiny_Town

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:52 PM (MMC8r)

134 126. It's not daddy's fault if he's in prison of course

Posted by: Puppy loving NCJ (trust me) at March 13, 2015 12:52 PM (h41Z5)

135 The ACLU desperately needs the Westboro Baptist Church to give th ACLU of he semblance of non partisanship.

Posted by: Avi at March 13, 2015 12:52 PM (Vxe+6)

136 "The Country is Lost". Well yes, but all that means is we've reverted to Darwin's survival of the meanest.

Posted by: HM Waifhouser at March 13, 2015 12:52 PM (22fO/)

137 Oh, also whites invented AIDS and crack to kill off blacks. And they put STDs in condoms to make black men sterile. (all of those statements are fairly common in the black community)

I was stunned when I was talking one day with a black Army senior NCO. The subject of CocaCola came up and someone joked about the cocaine content. This senior NCO sadly says, "Yes, we lost a lot of good men in the '70s because of that."

!!!WHAT?!?!

The cocaine content was nearly zero in 1903 and gone by the 1920s. I told this man that if he could find a can of CocaCola from the 1970s with any amount of cocaine in it he'd be a wealthy man. This would not be hard to do because people collect old cans. Full or empty you could get a swab.

Anyways, since then I've heard a lot of crazy crap that black people believe about white people, but that was my first real stunner. From a sober and honorable man no less.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 12:52 PM (jhqr1)

138 How do you change that mindset? It took 50 years of progressive propaganda to get here... I don't see how you reverse 3 generations of propaganda on an issue like that.

Time, grace, effort, and a lot of broken bones and skulls on both sides.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 13, 2015 12:53 PM (DT3rQ)

139 Yep, lost.

Turn out the lights.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 13, 2015 12:53 PM (/Ho8c)

140 Why not?
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Because there would be violence, and the police would be caught in the middle of it. If the law worked properly, people would then go to jail. If it didn't work properly, only the ones forcibly moved into the black dorm would be injured and jailed.
Jesus, the death penalty is currently stuck on how much anethestic is in the mix. Forcing people paying tens of thousands of dollars to be attacked?

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 13, 2015 12:53 PM (Spluw)

141
Men here have 'husbands.'

Believe me, this country is lost.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 13, 2015 12:53 PM (Pww3C)

142 I'm thinking of getting weee weeed up here in a little bit..

Posted by: Yip at March 13, 2015 12:53 PM (84SRe)

143 Posted by: Blue Hen at March 13, 2015 12:50 PM (Spluw)

Schools have the right to yank a fraternity charter, since a fraternity is essentially a school-endorsed club.

That being said, assuming the school doesnt own the fraternity house (they may or may not), they have no right to kick the kids out of the house and tell them they dont have the "freedom of assembly" to continue fratdoggin it up.

But i think SAE nationals also yanked the OU SAE's charter, so they couldn't continue to operate under that name.

The house will die out pretty quickly once the school stops recognizing them as a legitimate house.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:54 PM (AkOaV)

144
You want to DO something positive instead of just squeaking about how bad things are?

GET INVOLVED.

It starts at the local level--school boards, local elections, town meetings, personal interaction,etc.

Real basic stuff--because all flows from this.

Make the difference here and the state and federal problem is solvable.

Doesn't matter how insignificant it may seem.

You could call this our own long march through the institutions--just like the left did.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 13, 2015 12:54 PM (jeCnD)

145 This has been aggravated by leftist groups from out of state also, just like Ferguson. OK is the reddest state in the country right now, and nothing would please the marxist regime in DC more than to start dividing the people here.

I imagine Boren got one of those early morning phone calls from the DOJ.

Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2015 12:54 PM (I34S0)

146 Not a "race war", Kate. But we are in the midst of a cultural civil war that transcends race.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 13, 2015 12:54 PM (1li1B)

147 >>Nuking the organization is one thing; nuking the students is another.

And yet I get the distinct feeling that on campus Leftists are waging a war on fraternities.

Similar to how we see the civil rights activists jump on every police shooting in which there is a white officer and a black victim, they're trying to make every bonehead bit of fratboy misconduct into a national news story.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 13, 2015 12:54 PM (bdqzU)

148 That's it, man.

Game over.

Game over!

Posted by: Pvt. Hudson at March 13, 2015 12:54 PM (/Ho8c)

149 There seems to be a double standard here. OU running back Joe Mixon was caught on tape punching a 20 year old woman in the face, breaking four of her bones.

He was essentially convicted of a misdemeanor. He was not kicked out of school but was suspended for the 2014 football season.

OU! A university our football team can be proud of.

Posted by: boniface ballers at March 13, 2015 12:55 PM (m/Gc2)

150 There's that other crazy urban legend that the white man came up with gun control to keep newly freed slaves and other "uppity" blacks unarmed and helpless.

Wait... what?

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 12:55 PM (q/kmn)

151 "Conservative sites are the worst when it comes to pop up and autoplay ads."

I like to read Free Beacon, Truth Revolt, The Blaze, and The Federalist in the afternoons.

So I click the links first thing in the morning.

Posted by: rokshox at March 13, 2015 12:55 PM (Ap82b)

152 Semi-related. I'm at a symposium today on memory problem vis-à-vis eyewitness identification. We have some lord high and mighty college professor memory expert talking to us and I thought he was very smart and very good. And then . . .

He said that race was just a social construct and I knew he was a moonbat.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 13, 2015 12:55 PM (XUKZU)

153 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terror_of_Tiny_Town

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 13, 2015 12:52 PM (MMC8r)

I guess we know who runs Barter Town.

Posted by: Heralder at March 13, 2015 12:56 PM (/Mxso)

154 As deeply disturbing as what (SAE) has done,

Wow, those SAE guys should stop beheading people.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 13, 2015 12:56 PM (XvsbD)

155 The country is lost?

I mean, it's so big. Where did you leave it?

It was out parked at the curb last night, and now it's gone?
Tell it to the ghosts of the guys that died at Peleliu, at Anzio, at Bataan and Corregidor.
Tell it to the guys still living that served at Khe Sahn in 1968.

"I have not yet begun to fight!" - John Paul Jones

'Course, he said that like over a hundred years ago or somethin', and what did he know?

Well, I guess that stupid Obama has whipped you. We lost to Obama, Jarrett and Holder. Put that on your tombstone.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... waiting for spring at March 13, 2015 12:56 PM (RFeQD)

156 To be victimized by speech is to surrender. It is to assign power over you that would otherwise not exist. It is ... oddly ... slavery.

Posted by: bkeyser at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (dG7DS)

157 109. Posted by: Caliban at March 13, 2015 12:46 PM (DrC22)
===============
Zinn was an idiot, who did no scholarly work. A waste of space and air. Marcuse was different, and actually wrote a few interesting things (60s politics aside).

Posted by: MTF at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (FCsIb)

158 149
Elite athletes at all levels are held to a different standard that us mere mortals. This is a wholly different set problems.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (S+el1)

159 "I don't know. I have no idea.

Pretty much the country is lost."

Quitter.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (hLRSq)

160 Let's kill all the lawyers or something like that per William Shakespeare.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (F2IAQ)

161 Let's kill all the lawyers or something like that per William Shakespeare.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (F2IAQ)

162 And yet I get the distinct feeling that on campus Leftists are waging a war on fraternities.

Not old. Many lefty campuses outright ban the greek system (no, the other one, that one they endorse).

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (DT3rQ)

163 A slime of lawyers

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (rwI+c)

164 You know, when people are scrabbling to acquire enough calories to get through the day, they don't have time for petty arguments about things that don't matter as much, and with our current and expanding debt load, that day is coming like a freight train, so we have that going for us.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (/i3Yt)

165 "My thinking was, if a Mob pressured them to harass someone for his speech, another Mob -- a better Mob -- can pressure them into not harassing someone for his speech."

At this point, this is pretty much what we need - our own mob that will exert the same sort of pressure that the radical Left exerts. I am convinced that there are still more of us than there are radical lefties, so if both sides were fully mobilised, we still win.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 13, 2015 12:58 PM (YYJjz)

166 Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 12:52 PM (jhqr1)

Yeah, i have a good friend who is a totally normal guy, but when you get a few drinks in him, he goes on these riffs about these conspiracy theories. I don't even know how to respond.

A couple of other ones I've heard from him: he smokes Marlboro menthol's now because he found out the government puts chemicals in kools and newports to cause infertility in black men.

Yellow #7 or whatever (one of those dyes that used to be in mountain dew and in the "drink" juices) also causes infertility in black men.

Uh, what else?

Oh, the government purposefully sends guns and drugs in to the ghetto and basically runs the whole gang situation and black-on-black crime situation from behind the scenes in order to kill off young black men.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:58 PM (AkOaV)

167 Er, not new. Derp.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 13, 2015 12:58 PM (DT3rQ)

168
As deeply disturbing as what (SAE) has done,

Wow, those SAE guys should stop beheading people.

Yeah, exactly.
Get a grip, man! Do you even perspective, bro??

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 13, 2015 12:58 PM (Pww3C)

169 He said that race was just a social construct and I knew he was a moonbat.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 13, 2015 12:55 PM (XUKZU)

If race is just a social construct then we don't need affirmative action (known more accurately as "positive discrimination" in Britain) now, do we?
Also, how do forensic pathologists determine the race of a victim from skeletal morphology? Pretty hard to measure a social construct with calipers.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2015 12:58 PM (oKE6c)

170 At this point, this is pretty much what we need - our own mob that will exert the same sort of pressure that the radical Left exerts.

Ooh, we need a catchy name for it! Something like "This Thing of Ours"...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 13, 2015 12:59 PM (DT3rQ)

171 >>There's that other crazy urban legend that the white man came up with
gun control to keep newly freed slaves and other "uppity" blacks unarmed
and helpless.

Yeah, about that...
http://preview.tinyurl.com/q74fy9o

Posted by: Lizzy at March 13, 2015 12:59 PM (bdqzU)

172 The hoist by their own petard argument has been going on for decades. The problem is that the Right, writ large, is unwilling to use those tools since those tools are terrible.

A Leftist cares, too, but he's in favor of that, explicitly. Perhaps there was a time with Leftists would lie about their objective; but they're admirably forthright now. If you tell a Leftist, "But you're creating a system wherein whites have lesser speech rights than blacks," the Leftist will say, proudly, "Exactly."

Yup.

This is why I must be read out of existence. My very existence denies the Leftist demand in pure identity politics and their claim to be able to set the terms as to what is authentic and true and what is not.

That I exist on this mortal plane denies this and thus, poof, I am made an Unperson.

Posted by: alexthechick - Reading. Like a me. at March 13, 2015 12:59 PM (mf5HN)

173 You know what we really need? Some sort of law document that spells out how a government can behave towards its citizens. Given that power is always abused, maybe it could outline areas of life that a government can't enter. It could even be some sort of "master law" that all other laws have to abide by, and you couldn't make any other law that doesn't agree with it or else it'd be null and void.

I wonder what we'd call something like that?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 13, 2015 01:00 PM (0HooB)

174 That was sarcasm, Lizzy.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 01:00 PM (q/kmn)

175 I cannot condone the SAE rape/murder squadron currently plaguing the mid-east.

My sacred honor is now clean.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 13, 2015 01:00 PM (XvsbD)

176
Ooh, we need a catchy name for it! Something like "This Thing of Ours"...

*snort*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 13, 2015 01:01 PM (JtwS4)

177 Royal Oil, I have lately thought the same thing. I've personally not witnessed white-on-black racism in several decades. Not even the covert, subtle form like in the '50's when whites gave blacks the stink eye. But I'm white so maybe I'm not equipped to see real racism or something.

Posted by: fly gal at March 13, 2015 01:01 PM (8TdcF)

178 Steven den Beste you say?

On college and revolution
http://chizumatic.mee.nu/come_the_revolution

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 01:01 PM (oCRs9)

179 Oh, the government purposefully sends guns and drugs in to the ghetto
and basically runs the whole gang situation and black-on-black crime
situation from behind the scenes in order to kill off young black men.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:58 PM (AkOaV)

This whole type of thing is a pathetic attempt to deny agency for the problems blacks have, most of which are self-inflicted wounds.

Also, if the government sent guns and drugs into the ghetto, and ran gangs and black-on-black crime, the ghettos would be havens of amity, brotherhood, and good citizenship, since the government fucks up everything it attempts.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2015 01:01 PM (oKE6c)

180 Its true. Some College boys demonstrate some weapons grade dumbass and its front page for days and days. Muslim savages murder a thousand people and sell the little chilldren as sex slaves and its a footnote..

Posted by: maddogg at March 13, 2015 01:01 PM (xWW96)

181 There's that other crazy urban legend that the white man came up with gun control to keep newly freed slaves and other "uppity" blacks unarmed and helpless.

This is the weak form of what I call the "Hitler killed 600 Million Jews" fallacy.

Person one: Hitler killed 600 Million Jews!
Person two: Actually it was about 6 Million.
Person one: Why are you defending Hitler!?!

Black people, as a people, have had a terrible experience in the US. That doesn't mean I should not correct someone when they say "The white man addicted black men to cocaine in the 70s using CocaCola as a delivery vehicle."

Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 01:02 PM (jhqr1)

182 152 Semi-related. I'm at a symposium today on memory problem vis-a-vis eyewitness identification.
=============

My freshman year Psych 101 professor used to show an ancient Candid Camera episode on this topic. They staged an accident, if memory serves, then ask witnesses to describe events and the people involved. After seeing that episode I wondered how prosecutors could ever get convictions using eye-witness testimony, since every single recollection had serious defects.

Posted by: MTF at March 13, 2015 01:02 PM (FCsIb)

183
That I exist on this mortal plane denies this and thus, poof, I am made an Unperson.

You may not be an Unperson, but you're definitely an only child. I'm an only child, I have only-child-dar.

Why do you keep lying to BC?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 13, 2015 01:02 PM (JtwS4)

184 Black students at University of Washington now accusing SAE there of calling them names.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 13, 2015 01:03 PM (W5DcG)

185 So all these "government does X to keep the black man down" conspiracies are STILL happening with a black president? You'd think once Barry came to power he'd sign some sort of executive order putting an end to this stuff.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 01:03 PM (0LHZx)

186 When it became a crime against all humanity for all eternity for a white person to ever utter at any point in his/her life "n!gger," even if it was in the context of a script, while a person of any other color can shout it from the rooftops, that's when the country was lost.

I blame the OJ Simpson kangaroo court trial.

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 13, 2015 01:03 PM (fMQoG)

187 Maybe not 95%, but a LARGE number of blacks dislike whites. It's a learned behavior, mostly learned in schools and pop culture.

Whites are racist slave owners who to this day have license to hunt down and kill blacks for no reason. #blacklivesmatter

Oh, also whites invented AIDS and crack to kill off blacks. And they
put STDs in condoms to make black men sterile. (all of those statements
are fairly common in the black community)

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:36 PM (AkOaV)
Of course there is a grain of truth in that thinking; white doctors did deliberately give blacks syphilis in the 1930s, and abortions are part of the eugenics agenda to get rid of blacks. Of course the people doing all of this were Democrats - but I guess that if blacks can be conned into voting for the party of the Ku Klux Klan and against the party that was specifically formed to abolish slavery - that they can also be conned into backing the very people who are trying to kill them.

Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 13, 2015 01:03 PM (3qQYf)

188 180 Its true. Some College boys demonstrate some weapons grade dumbass and its front page for days and days. Muslim savages murder a thousand people and sell the little chilldren as sex slaves and its a footnote..

Thus My frustration.... WTF is wrong with people, that they can make such a big deal about some drunk idiot Frat boys spewing some questionable lyrics while the World is burning around them?

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 01:04 PM (Bn6aD)

189 Its true. Some College boys demonstrate some weapons grade dumbass and its front page for days and days. Muslim savages murder a thousand people and sell the little chilldren as sex slaves and its a footnote..
Posted by: maddogg

Well there's a very good reason for that. Jewish bananas have wreaked havoc in the ME.

Posted by: Achmed the dead terrorist at March 13, 2015 01:04 PM (Spluw)

190 white doctors did deliberately give blacks syphilis in the 1930s

Err, no.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 13, 2015 01:04 PM (rwI+c)

191 This whole type of thing is a pathetic attempt to deny agency for the problems blacks have, most of which are self-inflicted wounds.

Didn't Bill Cosby raise the hackles of the race baiters several years ago by pointing the finger of blame for black social economic problems right back at the blacks?

Posted by: wrg500 at March 13, 2015 01:04 PM (S+el1)

192
After seeing that episode I wondered how prosecutors could ever get convictions using eye-witness testimony, since every single recollection had serious defects.

What on earth are you going on about?

Posted by: Rashomon at March 13, 2015 01:04 PM (JtwS4)

193
The house will die out pretty quickly once the school stops recognizing them as a legitimate house.
Posted by: mynewhandle

'And that foot is -- me."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 13, 2015 01:04 PM (kdS6q)

194 *couriers Lemon Bars to the Unperson*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 01:05 PM (oCRs9)

195 Here goes--Boren shouldn't have revoked the fraternity's charter. Two members of an organization were jerkwads and sang a disgusting song. So freaking what?

It's time for everyone involved in this spectacle to grow the %$#@ up. Dumb stuff happens.

Posted by: Furious George at March 13, 2015 01:05 PM (UlJ3l)

196 98 They should not have expelled those students, they should have housed them in the all black dorm

......

Why? Because you expect them to learn love and respect, or because you expect violent-by-nature blacks to beat the crap out of them and that's what they deserve? Which isn't at all racist.

The thing about these witchhunts, as Ace points out, is that they never apply to minorities, no matter how bad the behavior. I think that's why there are things like that racists SAE party -- I think there is a lot of anger at the discrimination and double standards and this is the backlash. It's not justified, but I think it's going to get worse.

Posted by: sunny-dee at March 13, 2015 01:05 PM (EBoCD)

197 Yeah, i have a good friend who is a totally normal
guy, but when you get a few drinks in him, he goes on these riffs about
these conspiracy theories. I don't even know how to respond.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 12:58 PM (AkOaV)

It's odd, but I've experienced the same. My brother in law's sister is dating a black guy. Real nice guy. Everyone came over for a New Years party and we had great fun with cards, drinking games and general New Years eve debauchery. Then at some moment a little after midnight, something clicked in this guy's head and he starts getting aggressive with everyone, saying we're all racist and cursing at everyone, slinging racial insults at us, the whole shebang.

It seemed to come out of nowhere, and really surprised everyone. I didn't get to hear from him once he got sober because I went after him after he called my sister a "white bitch" and he was "escorted" from the house.

Posted by: Heralder at March 13, 2015 01:05 PM (/Mxso)

198 since the government fucks up everything it attempts.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2015 01:01 PM (oKE6c)

Heh.

Well to be fair, I think part of the disconnect is that white liberal politicians have convinced blacks (and others, of course) that government is awesome and infallible.

So if government says drugs are illegal and guns need to be permitted, etc., yet drugs and illegal guns are plentiful... well, how do you square that circle?

Easy. Obviously the government keeps illegal guns and drugs out of WHITE neighborhoods, but purposefully flood black neighborhoods with them so that they kill each other and/or all go to jail.

Because the if all powerful government REALLY WANTED to keep guns and drugs out of the ghetto, of course they could. But they secretly want them there.

That's where all of this stuff is borne of. We see that and say, "yep, typical government. They suck at everything." Blacks say, "yep, typical government. They're all powerful, they can do whatever they want to black people and white people secretly cheer it on." and white liberals feed in to that narrative constantly.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:05 PM (AkOaV)

199 Ace: the word is "heterosexual," or "straight," or if you prefer "normal." Please do not say "cisgendered" unless you are explicitly putting this nonsense in the mouths of the idiot leftists for purposes of making fun of it.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at March 13, 2015 01:05 PM (kTTUz)

200 You may not be an Unperson, but you're definitely an only child. I'm an only child, I have only-child-dar.

Why do you keep lying to BC?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 13, 2015 01:02 PM (JtwS4)

*kicks in junk*

Posted by: alexthechick - Reading. Like a me. at March 13, 2015 01:06 PM (mf5HN)

201 I think you missed my point, bonhomme.

A lot of the things that I've heard spoken by groups of black man are utterly untrue, yet when you mention something like gun control that is an absolute truism it is disbelieved.

Or at the very least, dismissed as irrelevant in our day and age.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 01:06 PM (RQDhf)

202 >>Maybe not 95%, but a LARGE number of blacks dislike whites. It's a learned behavior, mostly learned in schools and pop culture.

And it's quite effective considering they're now saying 3 meals a day and brunch are examples of "white privilege."

Posted by: Lizzy at March 13, 2015 01:06 PM (bdqzU)

203 Thus My frustration.... WTF is wrong with people, that they can make such a big deal about some drunk idiot Frat boys spewing some questionable lyrics while the World is burning around them?
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 01:04 PM (Bn6aD)

_________

You can't do shit about ISIS or Ebola. But you can take pleasure in knowing that the two frat guys had their lives ruined. Kinda like that PR hack that had her life destroyed by tweeting about Aids and Africa.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)

204 So any new Hillary stuff?

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 13, 2015 01:08 PM (Bn6aD)

205 Of course there is a grain of truth in that thinking; white doctors did deliberately give blacks syphilis in the 1930s, and abortions are part of the eugenics agenda to get rid of blacks.

This is incorrect. In the Tuskegee experiment the men already had Syphilis. What the experimenters did, which was criminal and terrible, was to pretend to treat it. Their goal was to watch what happens with untreated Syphilis.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 01:08 PM (jhqr1)

206
blacks invented peanut butter to make little white kids fat

Posted by: kj at March 13, 2015 01:08 PM (lKyWE)

207 Good thing Lena Dunham didn't do anything to ruin some guys life over fake rape allegations.

Because, frat rape culture, or whatever.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 01:08 PM (RQDhf)

208 White Males are now legally second-class citizens

Just shut up, pay your taxes and keep the lights on Cracker!

Posted by: Grievance Studies at March 13, 2015 01:08 PM (k19Aq)

209 It is lost. No need to look past Obama getting elected and then reelected. There in is the problem exposed.
As for Blacks, they are taught both at school and at home and on the street, whites keep them down. This may have it roots in Jim Crow laws and there is some merit to it. BUT, blacks alone did not elect the Obama.

Affirmative action has grown and exposed its ugly underside, where everyone but whites need a special hand up over whites. Indeed in some countries now they have 'hurtful' words where fines or jail is in order.
In the end free speech is the words some don't like. If blacks call whites white devils they have a right.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 13, 2015 01:09 PM (WNERA)

210 Posted by: Heralder at March 13, 2015 01:05 PM (/Mxso)

Yeah. My buddy is the same way. And by that I mean, he's totally loyal to his white friends and he'd never say anything like that about us. But "the system" and "white racists down south" etc. get thrown out a LOT.

For example, he got pulled over for driving with expired plates, and the cops impounded his car. When he told us about it at first, he was like "yeah, I probably should have stayed on top of renewing my registration, my bad." At the bar that weekend though, the story morphed in to how a racist white cop was out trying to find anything he could to ruin a black guys day.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened. But I mean... yeah dude, if you drive around with expired tags, you're most likely going to get pulled over. Cops have license plate scanners on their trunks, they scan every plate they drive past and if one comes back "expired" they're not going to ignore it, no matter who is driving the car.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:09 PM (AkOaV)

211 And yet I get the distinct feeling that on campus Leftists are waging a war on fraternities.

But only those dominated by whites.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at March 13, 2015 01:09 PM (cZOkr)

212 98 They should not have expelled those students, they should have housed them in the all black dorm

Imagine for one second that this would happen to students who were black. Yeah, it would never happen.
Just like gays aren't likely to force themselves on a halal butcher shop or baker any time soon.

Posted by: Achmed the dead terrorist at March 13, 2015 01:09 PM (Spluw)

213 they should have housed them in the all black dorm

Why is there such a dorm?
When I started college in 1969 the thought of an all black dorm would have been an anathema.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 13, 2015 01:09 PM (W5DcG)

214 >>So any new Hillary stuff?

Did you see my new tv show?

Posted by: Hillary Duff at March 13, 2015 01:10 PM (bdqzU)

215 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)

#hasjustinelandedyet ?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:10 PM (AkOaV)

216 Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:09 PM (AkOaV)

______

FUCK!!

I just realized my plates expired at the end of last month. Seriously. I think you may have saved me some headaches. I'm going to renew online right about now....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 01:11 PM (0LHZx)

217 Man, you guys are depressing. We had people like you in the Revolutionary War. We called them Kentuckians.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 13, 2015 01:11 PM (hLRSq)

218 *spittakes at email from TurboTax*

If you have not used their software to file your taxes by March 19th, you will be charged a higher fee.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 01:11 PM (oCRs9)

219 Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 13, 2015 01:09 PM (W5DcG)

My school called it the minority student union.

A buddy of mine whose dad was from Argentina tried to get in (I don't know if he was serious or not), but I guess he wasn't minority enough because they ended up housing him with the gringos.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:11 PM (AkOaV)

220 206
blacks invented peanut butter to make little white kids fat
Posted by: kj at March 13, 2015 01:08 PM (lKyWE)

Its more hideous than that.

blacks invented peanut butter to kill little white kids with allergies.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 13, 2015 01:11 PM (F2IAQ)

221 I think you missed my point, bonhomme.

A lot of the things that I've heard spoken by groups of black man are utterly untrue, yet when you mention something like gun control that is an absolute truism it is disbelieved.

Or at the very least, dismissed as irrelevant in our day and age.

Apologies. I thought your point was that crazy conspiracy theories are perfectly understandable given the fact that white people HAVE conspired against black people. And further that I shouldn't decry said crazy theories.

I misread you. Again, apologies.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 01:11 PM (jhqr1)

222 If you have not used their software to file your taxes by March 19th, you will be charged a higher fee.

--

This angers me more than the free speech attacks. Why does one need to pay a fee to pay their taxes? I print mine out and mail them. 44 cents.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 01:13 PM (/i3Yt)

223 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 13, 2015 01:11 PM (0LHZx)

If you can avoid driving until you get the new sticker or whatever, I would suggest that.

Expired tags are no jokes. Cops will leave you on the side of the road with a ticket in your hand and tow the car to an impound lot that charges a shit ton of money for the tow and to "store" the car.

Oh, and you can't get the car out until you show proof of the registration being current, or if you show up with a flat bed truck.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:13 PM (AkOaV)

224 "These kids have had more punishment for two words than Al Sharpton ever had for 'interlopers' (or Tawana or Freddie's) or Jesse ever had for 'Hymietown.' "

Not commenting on what punishment is appropriate; but IMO in today's politically correct world, with the prevalence of social media, these idiots have marked themselves for scorn and shunning forever. What corporation, law firm, government agency, etc. would ever give them a job? This will track them the rest of their lives.

Posted by: RM at March 13, 2015 01:13 PM (fRppw)

225 Over the course of my life, I've learned just a couple of things...

If I were to live my life over now and if I did the shit that I did when I was a teenager - in good fun, I might add - I would be in prison.

If I were in the military now and did and said the shit that I did and said to people of other races - or have the shit done and said to me by those people - all in good fun (or to blow off the stress (pronounced terror) of being shot at or blown up) - I would be drummed out of the service with a shit discharge.

These aren't the good ole days.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2015 01:13 PM (BZAd3)

226 "and universities are required by law, despite being private institutions, to administer questions of the first amendment with all/most of the restrictions placed on the government."

Public universities are not private institutions. Moreover, by their nature, they are a forum where the government's right to restrict speech in its capacity as an employer or a proprietor is limited.

Posted by: Vermin at March 13, 2015 01:13 PM (UD99j)

227 I print mine out and mail them. 44 cents.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 01:13 PM (/i3Yt)

It's 49 cents now.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 13, 2015 01:14 PM (W5DcG)

228 I just realized my plates expired at the end of last month. Seriously. I think you may have saved me some headaches. I'm going to renew online right about now....

If you need an emissions check you're in for a bit of a headache. You need a temp tag so you can legally drive to the emissions place.

Or you can just risk it.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 01:14 PM (jhqr1)

229 Expired tags are no jokes. Cops will leave you on the side of the road with a ticket in your hand and tow the car to an impound lot that charges a shit ton of money for the tow and to "store" the car.

Oh, and you can't get the car out until you show proof of the registration being current, or if you show up with a flat bed truck.

Posted by: mynewhandle

If you're lucky.

If you aren't lucky navycopjoe will show up in full riot gear and rape you.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 13, 2015 01:14 PM (XvsbD)

230 "These kids have had more punishment for two words than Al Sharpton ever had for 'interlopers' (or Tawana or Freddie's) or Jesse ever had for 'Hymietown.' "

Life isn't fair. The rain falls on both the righteous and the wicked.

Duly noted.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 13, 2015 01:15 PM (hLRSq)

231 It's 49 cents now.

--

Heh. I bought a big batch of forever stamps, and my investment is paying off.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 01:15 PM (/i3Yt)

232 If you aren't lucky navycopjoe will show up in full riot gear and rape you.

And shoot your dog!

Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 01:15 PM (jhqr1)

233 If you aren't lucky navycopjoe will show up in full riot gear and rape you.

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You forgot the part where he shoots your little dog, too.

If you're lucky.

Posted by: Jenny Gets Really Close To The Line at March 13, 2015 01:15 PM (SIgM0)

234 Weft-Cut oh it can get worse..

He shows up in his mini-van taxi in full riot gear and tows off your dog.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 01:15 PM (oCRs9)

235 Or you can just risk it.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 01:14 PM (jhqr1)

He will tell the ticketing officer that he spends more in dry cleaning in one year than the officer spends on uniforms in that same year.

Moo Moo 1 Poor Schlep Trooper 0

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 13, 2015 01:16 PM (F2IAQ)

236 Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:09 PM (AkOaV)

Like most off-the-wall completely cuckoo bullshit leftists throw out every day about subjects such as feminism and race, it actually hurts their cause.

It's entirely possible some of these people of whom we speak have indeed endured racism, or sexism. However, when they turn the grievance up to 11 and find racism and sexism in everything, it makes a liar out of them and then no one wants to hear anything about either topic.

Posted by: Heralder at March 13, 2015 01:16 PM (/Mxso)

237 234 Weft-Cut oh it can get worse..

He shows up in his mini-van taxi in full riot gear and tows off your dog.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2015 01:15 PM (oCRs9

Nah, Joe would just shoot it.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 13, 2015 01:16 PM (F2IAQ)

238 Fergidishu City Manager has it all figured out.

http://tinyurl.com/pvg4kyl

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 13, 2015 01:17 PM (XUKZU)

239 No problem, bonhomme. I sometimes skip the first two sentences when I make statements and it's quite possible it's entirely my bad.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 01:17 PM (q/kmn)

240 Posted by: Lizzy at March 13, 2015 01:06 PM (bdqzU)

Everything that happens in America is related to "white privilege."

Which is a very racist way of thinking in and of itself.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:18 PM (AkOaV)

241 184,

LA Tech is investigating the SAE chapter as well over the chant but, as far as I know, it only goes as far as "some people claim it happened in 2010 and we have absolutely no proof of it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2015 01:18 PM (ZjHNW)

242 Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 13, 2015 01:17 PM (XUKZU)

Doesn't really matter, but he's actually the city manager (whatever that is) in another city in MO, not in Ferguson.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:18 PM (AkOaV)

243 Something happened in 2010 but you have no proof of it? Good enough for me!

Posted by: AG Holder at March 13, 2015 01:19 PM (q/kmn)

244 Everything that happens in America is related to "white privilege."

Which is a very racist way of thinking in and of itself.

I tried to pay my electricity bill with some of that White Privilege I'm supposed to have so much of.
For some reason, they still demanded some of that "money" thingy I hear so much about.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 13, 2015 01:20 PM (0HooB)

245 Public universities are not private institutions.

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Actually, even private institutions are effectively public universities too, because they accept Federal subvention in the form of overheads on research grants, etc.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2015 01:20 PM (oKE6c)

246 I once let my drivers license lapse... wow, wanna talk about a hassle and PITA to get fixed.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 01:20 PM (q/kmn)

247 There's that other crazy urban legend that the white man came up with gun control to keep newly freed slaves and other "uppity" blacks unarmed and helpless.

Wait... what?
Posted by: Chupacabras at March 13, 2015 12:55 PM

Seriously.

Gospel Truth: Whitey created AIDS to kill blacks
Crazypants: Jim Crow types passed gun control laws to keep blacks defenseless.

Stop the world, people, I need a drink.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 13, 2015 01:21 PM (h4vJk)

248 Posted by: Heralder at March 13, 2015 01:16 PM (/Mxso)

Very few people who are still alive have experience "institutional racism" in the sense that their governments made laws specifically targeting people by race. Those that did lived under progressive D governors and D legislatures in the south post - Plessy (so the jim crow days).

Do people still have unpleasant "bullying" experiences based on their race or gender? Yeah, probably. But who doesn't go through that kind of shit?

To me, that's a way lesser problem. Yes, bullying is bad and it sucks and we should (in our personal lives) call people out who say / do mean / rude things just to be dicks, regardless of the race / sex / body type / whatever of the victim.

But that's VERY different from government-enforced discrimination.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:22 PM (AkOaV)

249 Would stop with the country is lost bullshit , the left never gives up or in... It's just a way to excuse your weakness of just giving in because it just too hard to fight.

Ace's the worst offender anything to do blacks , he caves like cheep suit , My God they said something racist against blacks their life must be forfeit , the cop shoot black suspect matter the facts he was a fault cause racism.

Go to any urban/ black blog about anything celebrity gossip Daily news , movies , every second comment racist diatribe against whites or any race not of their own
Most racist, tribal people in America, while whites with help from people like Ace are being conditioned to not say, think any negatives thoughts about blacks in general or person.

Police deaths are up 50% in 2014, police or being conditioned forfeit their own lives before they shoot a black person in self defense, even now studies and stactics bare it out white cops will shoot white suspect in self defense and hesitate to shoot black suspect in self defence, kinda puts them in danger when blacks are 55% of all violent crime .

Funny how the reality is the opposite of what the media Obama and left wing group have been pushing last few years.

Posted by: Sam at March 13, 2015 01:22 PM (Z+Hnc)

250 >>Everything that happens in America is related to "white privilege."

Which is a very racist way of thinking in and of itself.

Yep. Saw a guy (assume fellow college student) being interviewed over the SAE thing on CNN and he was black w/an arabic surname. Reminded me of CAIR and the Palestinian activists who are in the middle of the Ferguson protests/riots.

*dons tin foil hat*
It's a war on Western civilization, specifically whites and Christians.

Posted by: Hillary Duff at March 13, 2015 01:22 PM (bdqzU)

251 247,

I still can't get over the "whites are trying to make black men sterile" conspiracy. It obviously ain't working.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2015 01:23 PM (ZjHNW)

252 164 You know, when people are scrabbling to acquire enough calories to get through the day, they don't have time for petty arguments about things that don't matter as much, and with our current and expanding debt load, that day is coming like a freight train, so we have that going for us.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2015 12:57 PM (/i3Yt)

Yep. All those welfare programs leave the recipients plenty of free time to cause trouble.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2015 01:23 PM (zoehZ)

253 Posted by: Sam at March 13, 2015 01:22 PM (Z+Hnc)

ace (and many on 'the right') do that because there's no quicker way to have your life ruined then to be branded "a racist."

None.

It's the worst thing you can say about somebody in 2015 America.

And there's no trial, no way to fight the charge, no way to defend yourself. once that accusation is levied, you're fucked.

So if I had a blog, i would do the same thing. I wouldn't risk my livelihood and possibly my life (if he gets outed and loses his anonymity and the mobs show up at HIS door) just to make a point and be consistent.

I know it sucks, but that's the world we live in.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:25 PM (AkOaV)

254 Also, what is this about punishing the innocent?

When did that bullshit start being SOP?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 13, 2015 01:26 PM (0HooB)

255 Very few people who are still alive have experience "institutional racism" in the sense that their governments made laws specifically targeting people by race. Those that did lived under progressive D governors and D legislatures in the south post - Plessy (so the jim crow days).

Or in California under Earl Warren.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 13, 2015 01:26 PM (rwI+c)

256 228 comments as I post this. I do not have the time to read all of them, so what I am saying has probably been posted, and maybe even refuted by many.

But, I agree, sadly, the country is lost. Not only politically, but generationally. There are moment when I simply want to disappear, to run off to some unkown hidden location in the mountains, get off of the grid, and live the simplistic lifestyle of survival. There are other times when I see that it is truly time for a grand revolution, where we fight, to the very end for our rights and freedoms, where we totally and completely defeat the forces of evil that are being waged against us.

I do see a glimmer of hope in that some of the younger generation are actually thinking critically, on their own, and I hope that maybe more of them will come to the conclusion that what they see, hear and are taught in the universities and school systems are not just wrong, but evil, coming from the mouths and mind of group think, where one can have no other opinion, or thought, other than those than that they are programmed to speak or think.

I simply do not know. Maybe I am just old, tired, worn out, Maybe I have been too disillusioned from watching our party make some great advances, electorally, to take back control of the entire Congress, and even the Presidency, simply to be sold out to Establishment interests. I, for one, do not have the time to wait for the emergence of some grand new Political Party which will rise to power (only to eventually succumb to the corruption and evil of Washington D.C.).

Maybe it's time for Texas, and like minded states to simply secede, to bow out of this grand experiment that we once, proudly, called the United States.

As I said, I simply do not know at this point which way I am leaning. I will keep doing my part, but, at times, it simply feels hopeless.

Posted by: chefwes at March 13, 2015 01:26 PM (xTQcZ)

257 This is incorrect. In the Tuskegee experiment the men already had
Syphilis. What the experimenters did, which was criminal and terrible,
was to pretend to treat it. Their goal was to watch what happens with
untreated Syphilis.

Yes that is correct - over the years I had forgotten the specifics of what happened - thanks for the correction.

Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 13, 2015 01:27 PM (3qQYf)

258 I know it sucks, but that's the world we live in.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:25 PM (AkOaV)

Free speech should be honored but the leftist run their world with an iron fist.
There may be some minor blow back on this but not enough to notice.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 13, 2015 01:28 PM (WNERA)

259 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2015 01:23 PM (ZjHNW)

It's a paranoia thing. Also, abortions have kept blacks at 12-13% of the population, when they would be something like 20% of the population (if I recall the study I read) if abortions didn't exist.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:28 PM (AkOaV)

260 There may be some minor blow back on this but not enough to notice.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 13, 2015 01:28 PM (WNERA)

Yeah, but it's not minor blowback.

it's life changing, go in to hiding blowback.

And no one will defend you, because THEY don't want to labeled racists and have the angry mob chase after them.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:29 PM (AkOaV)

261 And there's no trial, no way to fight the charge, no way to defend yourself. once that accusation is levied, you're fucked.

With that attitude, you're screwed before you begin.

The best way to refute that is to say, "Prove it."

These false charges of racism are just that: false. When nobody fights back against them, it emboldens the idiots who do it. In this day and age, actual racism is pretty rare.

I say this as a kid that got pulled away from many a water fountain growing up in the South.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 13, 2015 01:30 PM (0HooB)

262 Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:29 PM (AkOaV)

I mean get of my lawn blow back.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 13, 2015 01:30 PM (WNERA)

263 As I said, I simply do not know at this point which way I am leaning. I
will keep doing my part, but, at times, it simply feels hopeless.

God is still in Heaven - and His plan is unfolding; remember first we have to get a one world government, and that government isn't going to be one any of us like...

Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 13, 2015 01:30 PM (3qQYf)

264 thanks for the correction.

Happy to help.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 13, 2015 01:31 PM (jhqr1)

265 Posted by: chefwes at March 13, 2015 01:26 PM (xTQcZ)

As someone in the "younger generation," I disagree.

Yes, many of my contemporaries see our government as shitty, corrupt, and inept.

But they DON'T see free markets as the solution. That's what rich white people want, and my generation is about as averse to rich white people as any generation ever.

Also, for many cities (and I think I read it's true nation-wide now) there are more minority students enrolled in schools than white students.

So it will not be long before socialists from central america and other assorted imported Dem voters outnumber "white people" and the system of government that has been built in this country.

The left has spent 100 years taking over the schools so that they can propagandize generations of children against "the white mans patriarchy" and our unjust, horrible system of government, founded by unjust, horrible, racist, slave owning white men who didn't want to pay their fair share of taxes to the King.

As I've said before.. I think it's too late to really fix this situation.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:33 PM (AkOaV)

266 Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 13, 2015 01:30 PM (WNERA)

oh, that makes sense. k.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:35 PM (AkOaV)

267 While I firmly believe that God is in heaven and still at work in the world in there Holy Spirit, and God's plans will be fulfilled, I don't see any evidence inn the Book Of Revelation to indicate were are going to have a one world government. I'm not desiring to get into theological debates on it, but that's where I stand.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2015 01:35 PM (DXzRD)

268 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 13, 2015 01:30 PM (0HooB)

The mob and the SJW's who run this country and are in positions of (official and unofficial) power don't give a shit about proof.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:36 PM (AkOaV)

269 By the way, for hundreds of years syphilis was untreatable, and what happened to the people with it was very well known; there was no experimental reason to withhold treatment. That was just an excuse for 'experiments' similar to the ones run in Auschwitz by Dr. Mengele.

Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 13, 2015 01:37 PM (3qQYf)

270 oh, oops.

Did anyone mention theres a nood?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 13, 2015 01:37 PM (AkOaV)

271 Man, this thread is a bummer. Rd-Can you give us another art thread ,please? :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2015 01:37 PM (DXzRD)

272 Generally the first beast of Revelation 13 (specifically verse 7) is the one that is interpreted as the one world government.

Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 13, 2015 02:03 PM (3qQYf)

273 And an new job opening up for Turd Ferguson linked in my sock. Especially useful if Turd still lives in Texas and can make the commute.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 13, 2015 02:06 PM (kivUY)

274 Y'know, the Left never says Jacques Merde about Muslims for some reason. Apparently, the Muzzies seem to engage in certain behaviors that persuade people to leave them alone to do their thing.

Who knows, maybe enough of us might adopt those behaviors that the Left likewise leaves us alone.

Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva, Sith Lord at March 13, 2015 02:10 PM (F2i9w)

275 Nice post Ace. Glad to see you understand the issue better now.

People on the right have been so conditioned to this leftist crap that they can't even see it most of the time.

That's why there were many here who self righteously were happy that some non-threatening drunk, white, frat boys have been literally driven from their family homes and could understand how terrifically terrifying that is for everybody.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 13, 2015 02:33 PM (NwVoY)

276 173

I don't think we have the Constitution for that.

Posted by: RGallegos at March 13, 2015 02:34 PM (hWBRx)

277 "couldn't"

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 13, 2015 02:35 PM (NwVoY)

278 Strangely enough, you are in agreement with Bill Maher (and me) on what true free speech is.

Maybe you two can be roommates in the reeducation camp.

Posted by: PJ at March 13, 2015 02:36 PM (cHuNI)

279 I think UO runs into constitutional problems specifically because it's a *public* University, so (courts have held) it has to apply the first amendment to its students.

Private universities don't have to do this, as a legal matter. Mind you, they end up having to follow all kinds of rules because of the strings attached to various federal grants (Title IX being the gold-plated example), but they're always free to say "keep your filthy government money, we're following our own rules". A public university doesn't have that option.

Posted by: Shoutingboy at March 13, 2015 03:53 PM (Jx1eY)

280 **** It is useful to note that "power" refers only to over-arching, hegemonic power, not the localized kind you would find in a particular environment or setting.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 13, 2015 04:23 PM (SgXEz)

281 Pretty much the country is lost.

There's no pretty much about it. We're in a mad world run by fools.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 13, 2015 04:24 PM (39g3+)

282 There's a problem with your server failing to post comments.

Posted by: Xopher Halftongue at March 14, 2015 11:14 PM (LGWoC)

283 The solution is Exit.

In the meantime, doxx the SJW's who participate in these political mobs. Make their lives miserable.

Just look at the fate of the SJW named Adria Richards.

Just do an internet search for more information about her.

Posted by: Xopher Halftongue at March 14, 2015 11:17 PM (LGWoC)

284 The ACLU was founded by Roger Nash Baldwin (and friends). Read his writings and it all becomes clear.

Posted by: burt at March 15, 2015 10:22 AM (ls8AU)

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