The Obama Administration Found That US Companies' "Charitable Donations" To Foreign Governments, When They Had Business Before That Government, Constituted Disguised Bribes; Why Would Foreign Governments' Donations to the Clinton Foundation Not Count Then

Because they're The Clintons and The Rules Don't Apply to Them?

Only possible answer. Mollie Hemingway's case is airtight.

Last week the Washington Post reported that Algeria gave half a million dollars to Bill and Hillary Clinton's foundation while at the same time lobbying Hillary Clinton at the State Department. At a forum in Miami this weekend, Bill Clinton defended taking money from Algeria and other countries while his wife held a high-level government position....
One interesting way to look at the ethics of such a donation is how the U.S. government handles donations to foreign charities by U.S. entities lobbying government officials. Remember this part of the Post story:

The money was given to assist with earthquake relief in Haiti, the foundation said. At the time, Algeria, which has sought a closer relationship with Washington, was spending heavily to lobby the State Department on human rights issues.
If the money was given for the stated purpose of earthquake relief, does that make the donation clean even though Algeria sought something from Hillary Clinton's agency?
In 2011 and 2012, the Obama administration’s Securities and Exchange Commission levied large penalties against U.S. pharmaceutical companies for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. These included Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, and Eli Lilly and Company. Among the charges was making donations to a charitable foundation in Poland.
That charitable foundation was run by an official with a regional health ministry who had the authority to make pharmaceutical purchasing decisions. The charitable foundation was legitimate and the foundation’s work was for a good cause. But the U.S. government found that the donation still had a corrupt purpose.

And the US government fined those companies nearly thirty million dollars for those barely-disguised bribes.

What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

Posted by: Ace at 02:58 PM

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1 Preparation H, 2016

Posted by: wooga at March 09, 2015 02:59 PM (bFJiu)

2 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

Hahahahahahahaha

breathe...

hahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 09, 2015 03:00 PM (eytER)

3 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

None, because the postmodern royals need not live by the laws made for the commoners.

Class warfare, indeed.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 09, 2015 03:00 PM (9LuAk)

4 Hillary's going down.

Posted by: Huma at March 09, 2015 03:00 PM (evdj2)

5 No penalty for scankles

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 09, 2015 03:01 PM (R8hU8)

6 Well, this doesn't look good for Team Hillary.

Aw....who am I kidding.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 09, 2015 03:01 PM (hzrlb)

7 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

When Obama puts her on the Supreme Court to replace Ginsburg, Clinton won't get to decorate her robes with lace.

Posted by: wooga at March 09, 2015 03:01 PM (bFJiu)

8 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?
The media will give her one hell of a slap on the wrists, and ask her if she thought that looked ok.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 09, 2015 03:02 PM (sH832)

9 What about credit card "bribes" from foreign accounts that bypassed the address verification system?

Posted by: Roy at March 09, 2015 03:02 PM (VndSC)

10 She has to pretend to be married to Bubba Slutknocker. That's got to chafe.

Posted by: irright at March 09, 2015 03:02 PM (8GKDa)

11 Penalties, comedy thread I see.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 09, 2015 03:03 PM (S+el1)

12 Hildabeast doesn't seem too concerned. She must know something.

Posted by: Ronster at March 09, 2015 03:03 PM (ymjdW)

13 What about credit card "bribes" from foreign accounts that bypassed the address verification system?

Posted by: Roy at March 09, 2015 03:02 PM

Never heard of them.

Posted by: Doo-Dad Pro at March 09, 2015 03:03 PM (h4vJk)

14 But, Crusades! Also, Jeb Bush!

Posted by: Pious Agnostic at March 09, 2015 03:04 PM (Lu9c/)

15 I don't know what your problem is. Do you Reichwingers want black and brown people to starve?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:04 PM (shFKH)

16 Obama pardons her for any past crimes or misdemeanors.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 09, 2015 03:04 PM (S+el1)

17 Too divisive. What else you got?

Posted by: Brian Williams at March 09, 2015 03:05 PM (sTRvb)

18 Do you Reichwingers want black and brown people to starve?
-----------------------

Black people - no
Brown people - no.

But, black and brown people? - absolutely, let them starve.

Posted by: Roy at March 09, 2015 03:05 PM (VndSC)

19

What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

Posted by: Ace at 02:58 PM

She's Hillary Clinton. That's a pretty heavy duty penalty right there.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 09, 2015 03:06 PM (+/C3g)

20 Is crooked Obama really going to take action against crooked Hillary???

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:06 PM (shFKH)

21 Daily Caller sucks ass to read. Forever loading. The item in the sidebar is confusing: why are they discussing Clarence Thomas and the KKK in an AP European History prep book?

Posted by: NCKate at March 09, 2015 03:06 PM (aT7+f)

22 Comments down? 500 error

Posted by: L, Elle at March 09, 2015 03:06 PM (dkrmM)

23 The Clintons are very slick, heard the donations to the foundation were not against the law and any regulations carry no penalty.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 09, 2015 03:06 PM (WNERA)

24 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

Dude, that Clinton email scandal was like two days ago. When will you bitter clingers let go of the past?

Posted by: zombie at March 09, 2015 03:07 PM (K4YiS)

25 Why Would Foreign Governments' Donations to the Clinton Foundation Not Count Then?

Import tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at March 09, 2015 03:07 PM (sTRvb)

26 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

The Clinton gravy train will come to reluctant, eventual halt. And the most potent opposing wing of the dem party will be diminished. And once again, it appears that JEF is above and beyond it all. Except that he's not.

Posted by: AP (ass pulled) American History study guide at March 09, 2015 03:07 PM (b7GF2)

27 Obama pardons her for any past crimes or misdemeanors.
Posted by: wrg500

Wow, that would be quite a scene.

Posted by: AP (ass pulled) American History study guide at March 09, 2015 03:08 PM (b7GF2)

28 Algeria should've just "helped" her with a hot tip on commodities trading.

They wouldn't be the first to do so.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:09 PM (oKE6c)

29 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:09 PM (kff5f)

30 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:09 PM (kff5f)

31

Prepare the Wet Noodle!!!

Posted by: imp at March 09, 2015 03:09 PM (XIXZz)

32 We have the former Governor of Maryland, on record referring to illegal immigrants as "Not yet Naturalized Citizens" needing drivers licenses to drive safely to work and get insurance.

And we think that Democrats are going to give a Fiddlers Fcuk about something as ethereal as Hillary using the wrong three letters at the end of her e-mail address?

Neither ethics, nor morality will slow their march towards total victory over any opposing beliefs or positions.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 09, 2015 03:09 PM (hzrlb)

33 You horrible people don't understand just how many lives the Billy Jeff, Shrillary and interesting Chelsea Clinton foundation has created and/or saved.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:09 PM (shFKH)

34 For all their gold grabbing, is there any other family that enjoys their wealth less than the Clintons?

They just sit on their pile of ill gotten gains in a Smaug-sleep and are just as eager to crush enemies. Because it's gold and they wantsss it,.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 09, 2015 03:10 PM (t+du1)

35 Fetch the Comfy Chair!

Posted by: Random Spanish Inquisitor at March 09, 2015 03:10 PM (h4vJk)

36 She'd pay if she denied anything related to an FOIA request. Any requesters out there?

Posted by: Feh at March 09, 2015 03:10 PM (Hd87R)

37 Ah, but Hillary won the hearts and minds of middle America's females when she said she'd stay home and bake cookies with them.

(Someone comes on stage and whispers in my ear.)

"What? She said she wasn't the kind of woman who'd stay home and bake cookies? Are you sure?"

(I break out in a flop sweat.)

Our next hashtag: A Day Without a Mexicana!

Posted by: zombie at March 09, 2015 03:10 PM (K4YiS)

38 4
Hillary's going down.

Posted by: Huma at March 09, 2015 03:00 PM (evdj2)
Jeopardy Category: Things never said about my wife and me

Posted by: Bill C from Little Rock, AR at March 09, 2015 03:10 PM (+/C3g)

39 I am not sure how much history we need. All the donations to the Clinton Library were bribes. Marc Rich, ect.

Bank of America gave $500,000 of stock holder's money to the Clinton Library, amazingly enough one of their biggest loan clients, Rick Hendricks car dealer convicted of bribing Honda employees, got a pardon almost immediately.

Funny how that shit happens.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2015 03:10 PM (0FSuD)

40 ut, black and brown people? - absolutely, let them starve

Only You Can Save The Okapi People. I think Smokey the Bear said that.

Posted by: t-bird at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (sTRvb)

41 Yes, I took money from foreign governments! So what? It's not like Tony Rezko bought me my house or Bill Ayers ghostwrite my book, or something.

Posted by: Hillary! at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (FCsIb)

42 33
3 at least. Billy Jeff, Shrillary and Chelsea

Posted by: wrg500 at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (S+el1)

43 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

She'll be asked not to run for President.
If she fails, then she'll be actually prosecuted.

Yep, I'm standing by the theory that this is a coordinated "hit" on the Clintons.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (kff5f)

44 Boehner and McConnell to the Rescue!

Don't exactly know how, but watch. They will undercut any criticism of their pal.

Hopefully by declaring they are actually Democrats in name, not just deed.

Posted by: rd at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (k19Aq)

45

Clarence Thomas and the KKK both want things the way they used to be, just like the most strict reactionaries of the French Revolution. No clarification whether Clarence Thomas wants a return to the lynching of Blacks. That's simply assumed.

Posted by: imp at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (XIXZz)

46 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?
***
that sort of talk will only drive moderates from the GOP. Stopping lawless democrats is not a hill to die on.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 09, 2015 03:12 PM (t+du1)

47 Well, to calm down all you wingnuts and your conspiracy theories, let me let Chelsea Clinton explain why this is okay:

Chelsea Clinton on Hillary's Foreign Donations: 'All of Those Possible Conflicts Have Been Addressed'

http://tinyurl.com/pck8zw3

(Breitbart)

There. Now aren't all y'all ashamed of yourselves? It's been addressed.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 09, 2015 03:12 PM (p7YEp)

48 33 You horrible people don't understand just how many lives the Billy Jeff, Shrillary and interesting Chelsea Clinton foundation has created and/or saved.
Posted by: chique d'afrique

Billy Jeff created a lot of lives when he forced himself on all those fertile Arkansas girls back when he was governor.

Posted by: zombie at March 09, 2015 03:12 PM (K4YiS)

49 Chelsea Clinton on Hillary's Foreign Donations: 'All of Those Possible Conflicts Have Been Addressed'

She has addresses for all of them to hit them up later.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 09, 2015 03:13 PM (S+el1)

50 "What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?"

She will be forced to remain Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 09, 2015 03:13 PM (hLRSq)

51 Laws are for only us little people.

Posted by: Soona at March 09, 2015 03:13 PM (/HX7u)

52 Pay attention to who you're bribin'.

Menendez buddies learning the hard way.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2015 03:13 PM (vvS6Q)

53 We never read Hillary's email, and in fact we acted to protect that email when an FSB front company bought her ISP.

You're welcome America.

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at March 09, 2015 03:13 PM (FCsIb)

54 The Clinton Foundation is just one big con.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 09, 2015 03:13 PM (dkrmM)

55 Yep, I'm standing by the theory that this is a coordinated "hit" on the Clintons.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (kff5f)

Not sure what consequences she'll face, but yeah, this is a coordinated hit. Not that she isn't guilty as Sun.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:14 PM (shFKH)

56 Ah, thanks, imp. Can't get the article to load.

Posted by: NCKate at March 09, 2015 03:14 PM (aT7+f)

57 Guilty as sin. GAH.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:14 PM (shFKH)

58 As I was saying last week, I think this is a "hit" by TFG and Co.

I also think it's a very dangerous gamble. If they push too hard, the Clintons will get truly spooked. If (for instance) they think that Hillary! is really going to go down, they might go scorched earth, just to take TFG down with them.

In fact, I think the "The President Knew" is part of the Clinton Coterie's response: "watch it, bub, we can ruin *you* too."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:15 PM (kff5f)

59
All of the stories lately have an obvious obviousness:

"Obama's lie was a lie".

"Hillary's bribe was a bribe".

And yet we still live in Brian Williams' media landscape.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2015 03:15 PM (JtwS4)

60 Let's face it, there are no consequences for most current/former elected types. Hillary's email issue is at least as bad as Nixon's but back then both parties were willing to stand up for America. Now, neither.

Posted by: dogfish at March 09, 2015 03:15 PM (1vYi0)

61 "But officer, you can't charge me with prostitution! My left hand took the guy's money, while my right hand jacked him off! It's obvious that each hand has no connection to the other!"

Posted by: zombie at March 09, 2015 03:15 PM (K4YiS)

62 I can't tell at this point whether this is all due to:

1) Obama putting out a hit on Hillary
2) Hillary just being a paranoid fuck-up
3) Lieawatha's machinations or
4) some other cause.

But anything that makes the Clintons look like shit is gonna be OK with me 99.9% of the time.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 09, 2015 03:16 PM (wtvvX)

63 They will pay at least a mill. Not likely more than 500 mill.

LINK = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill_(currency)

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at March 09, 2015 03:16 PM (scgac)

64 AmTrack crashed in North Carolina.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 09, 2015 03:17 PM (OQjlM)

65 Yep, I'm standing by the theory that this is a coordinated "hit" on the Clintons. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (kff5f) Not sure what consequences she'll face, but yeah, this is a coordinated hit. Not that she isn't guilty as Sun.
Posted by: chique d'afrique

That makes it even easier. You don't have to manufacture anything. The con man was exposed by Toto the dog, not the citizens of Oz.

Posted by: The Chicago Way at March 09, 2015 03:17 PM (b7GF2)

66
What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

Nothing.... What difference, at this point, does it make?!?/1/1!?11!?/?

Now shut your whore mouth.....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 09, 2015 03:17 PM (HSmrB)

67 I'm just enjoying the show put on by Begala, Carvell, Lanny Davis and few other Clinton cult members.

Teaching amateur liars how it's done in the big leagues.

Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2015 03:17 PM (9ZZd+)

68 The closest thing to punishment that the public will see is a press release saying that Hillary does not seek the nomination due to some vaguely vague sounding vague reason.

Released in a vague manner.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 09, 2015 03:17 PM (hzrlb)

69 Allen G, but don't you know our fine young president only found out about the emails when everyone else did, on the evening news? (Like he actually watches the news.)

So on top of everything going on in his own administration.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:17 PM (shFKH)

70 Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 09, 2015 03:16 PM (wtvvX)

If it were #2, it would already be gone from the Media. They would have quickly circled the wagons and simply refused to report on it.

Similarly, I don't think Lieawatha has enough clout with places like the NYT to have gotten this going.

My money, therefore, would be on ValJar & the SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:17 PM (kff5f)

71 @47

Airhead got to be airheads.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2015 03:18 PM (0FSuD)

72 Sure, your Honor, I killed my parents. But doesn't that make me a victim too? After all, now I'm an orphan *sob*.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 09, 2015 03:18 PM (p7YEp)

73 Is crooked Obama really going to take action against crooked Hillary???
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:06 PM (shFKH)

------------------------------------------

This is like all those movies of the royal families vying for the throne. Not kidding.

Posted by: Soona at March 09, 2015 03:18 PM (/HX7u)

74 33 You horrible people don't understand just how many lives the Billy Jeff, Shrillary and interesting Chelsea Clinton foundation has created and/or saved.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:09 PM (shFKH)

You're right of course. We really don't know.

But I bet it's a negative number.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 09, 2015 03:18 PM (2MfYk)

75 If you don't vote for Hillary Algeria will be all butt hurt and have a riot killing who knows how many State Department people. Fact.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 09, 2015 03:18 PM (oDCMR)

76 I'm just enjoying the show put on by Begala, Carvell, Lanny Davis and few other Clinton cult members. Teaching amateur liars how it's done in the big leagues

I liked George Wills comment; "they could find a loophole in a stop sign".

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:18 PM (b7GF2)

77 Allen G, but don't you know our fine young president only found out about the emails when everyone else did, on the evening news? (Like he actually watches the news.)

Which answer held together for all of 18 hours?

Because now we have confirmation that *he* sent emails to the insecure server.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:19 PM (kff5f)

78 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

Posted by: Ace at 02:58 PM

Ooh, ooh, ooh, I know, Mistuh Kottuh, Ooh, ooh! Pick me!
The answer is ninja, right?

Posted by: madamemayhem at March 09, 2015 03:19 PM (WPm3x)

79
Well in fairness to the Clintons (and I hate saying that), the article is mixing legal oranges and apples. The donations to foreign charities could run afoul of the Foreign Corrupt Practice Act -- which (among other things) bans offering to bribe, or bribing, foreign governmental or foreign political officials for the purposes of obtaining or retaining business within that country. So, if the head of customs in Shanghai refused to let the Clinton Foundation import Hillary's bio into Shanghai unless the CF donated $1 million to a charity headed by the Customs Official, any subsequent payment to the charity by the CF would almost certainly be a violation of the FCPA.

However, Hillary is not a foreign official and foreign governments are not US persons, so money paid to her (or the foundation) is not a violation of the FCPA. It could likely be a violation of other laws and regulations (I am no expert on domestic anticorruption laws, so I am just guessing here) -- but such payments would have nothing to do with the FCPA.

I get the philosophical/political point being made -- but legally speaking payments to a foreign charity by a U.S. person and payments by foreign governments to a US charity are not the same for purposes of the FCPA.

Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 03:20 PM (/KrYu)

80 70 Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 09, 2015 03:16 PM (wtvvX)

If it were #2, it would already be gone from the Media. They would have quickly circled the wagons and simply refused to report on it.

Similarly, I don't think Lieawatha has enough clout with places like the NYT to have gotten this going.

My money, therefore, would be on ValJar & the SCOAMT.
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Yep. Who, but them, would the NYTs salute?

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 09, 2015 03:20 PM (oDCMR)

81 She been Obamboozled.

Posted by: Cuntspiracy 101 at March 09, 2015 03:20 PM (9QK48)

82 Yep, I'm standing by the theory that this is a coordinated "hit" on the Clintons.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (kff5f)

It does look like a coordinated hit, but I doubt it's by TFG - he's got nothing to gain, and risks having Hillary! spill her guts. And you KNOW she knows where the bodies are buried. She could hang TFG out to dry in a New York minute, just by saying Obongo specifically forbade her from acting to save Chris Stevens.

My guess: the hit comes from Warren supporters.

Yeah, I'm looking at you, Soros.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:20 PM (oKE6c)

83 "Not that she isn't guilty as Sun."

Oh, she is, but the blatancy of it is a little gobsmacking. Barry is no friend yet Hil' operated as if she were in the bosom of an ol' Arkansas ally the whole time.

Had some private email working on the side? Sure. Not likely that would ever be a problem. Use ".gov" for SoS biz and cover your ass. Highly unlikely an of this would be blowing up.

But, no, had to go full Clinton and obfuscate from the get-go.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2015 03:21 PM (vvS6Q)

84 Ace mentioned last week that there was no longer any moral imperarive to obey this government; only the practical imperative of avoiding coercion and force by doing so.

On the flip side, I no longer have any more qualms about cheating these f@$king bastards at every possible turn.

Our betters have decided a rigged game where the only winning option is to cheat better than the other guy is preferable for society.

So be it then. I have no worries about chearing such scumbags.

Sh!tty way to feel about one's own government, but here we are. I didn't ask for this.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at March 09, 2015 03:21 PM (2IvUu)

85 Some better than bad news:

Fired Climate Skeptic Prof Get Favorable Settlement

"Not only did the Regents agree to pay Dr. Enstrom $140,000, but they also have effectively rescinded the termination, agreeing to Dr. Enstrom's use of the title "Retired Researcher" (as opposed to acknowledgment as a non-titled terminated employee) and his continued access to UCLA resources he previously enjoyed during his appointment."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2015 03:22 PM (XvsbD)

86
1
Preparation H, 2016
Posted by: wooga at March 09, 2015 02:59 PM (bFJiu)
...........................
Hillarrhoids

Posted by: wth at March 09, 2015 03:22 PM (wAQA5)

87
Let's not forget that they use this money as their personal piggybank. Haitians are not benefiting from these ~~donations~~ bribes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 09, 2015 03:22 PM (ODxAs)

88 Lesson here, 'Bey: You come at the king, you best not miss...

Posted by: Omar Little at March 09, 2015 03:22 PM (02oLK)

89 Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether Sec. Clinton broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with foreign governments - she did.

But you can't hold a whole government agency responsible for the behavior of a few sick, twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole government? And if the whole government is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our constitutional system in general? I put it to you, members of the White House Press Corps - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to Sec. Clinton, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

Posted by: Josh Earnest, Presidential Spokesman - Damned Glad to Meet You at March 09, 2015 03:22 PM (h4vJk)

90
My guess: the hit comes from Warren supporters.

Yeah, I'm looking at you, Soros.
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Meh - do you think the NYTs would torpedo Hillary without Fredo and ValJar's okay? Feauxcohontas is heap small medicine compared to Flaming Eagle and She With Rat Face.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 09, 2015 03:23 PM (oDCMR)

91 Doesn't matter. She'll get elected because it's her turn and she's a strong, smart, experienced woman (who's only credential, other than "voluntarily surrendering" her law license, is being married to Bill)... or something.

Bunch of sexist pigs, the lot of you.

Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2015 03:23 PM (AEQXb)

92 Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 03:20 PM (/KrYu)

No legal point was being made.

A definitional point was being made.

In case 'A' the US Govt defined a donation to a non-profit (a real non-profit, that actually did what it said) as a bribe because the person who ran the charity was a government official.

In case 'B' the question before the US Govt is if a donation to a non-profit is a bribe because the person who ran the charity was a government official.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:23 PM (kff5f)

93 It does look like a coordinated hit, but I doubt it's by TFG - he's got nothing to gain, and risks having Hillary! spill her guts. And you KNOW she knows where the bodies are buried. She could hang TFG out to dry in a New York minute, just by saying Obongo specifically forbade her from acting to save Chris Stevens.My guess: the hit comes from Warren supporters.Yeah, I'm looking at you, Soros.
Posted by: Jay Guevara

If she had that edge, then why did she end 2008 in debt and back in Chappaqua?

if Hilary is the frontrunner, JEF is superfluous. If ANYONE other than Hilary is viable, then JEF has a part to play.

And the moron O'Malley got a standing ovation at some dem shitfest.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:23 PM (b7GF2)

94 Canckles will NOT run and that will be her punishment and maybe, just maybe, we'll be done with the clintons. Unfortunately Fredo still resides at 1600

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2015 03:23 PM (rDqRv)

95 " he's got nothing to gain, and risks having Hillary! spill her guts."

What is she going to spill that won't also severely implicate her (a) or be totally useless now since he's a lame duck (b.)

Barry's interest is in steering the nomination process and getting the non-Clinton.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2015 03:23 PM (vvS6Q)

96 43
Yep, I'm standing by the theory that this is a coordinated "hit" on the Clintons.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:11 PM (kff5f)

Sure looks like it.

Posted by: rickl at March 09, 2015 03:24 PM (zoehZ)

97 #89,

<sniff> That was beautiful.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 09, 2015 03:24 PM (+/C3g)

98 And the moron O'Malley got a standing ovation at some dem shitfest.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:23 PM (b7GF2)

Which O'Malley do you speak of?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 09, 2015 03:24 PM (2Ojst)

99 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

She gets promoted?

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2015 03:25 PM (9221z)

100 It does look like a coordinated hit, but I doubt it's by TFG - he's got nothing to gain, and risks having Hillary! spill her guts. And you KNOW she knows where the bodies are buried. She could hang TFG out to dry in a New York minute, just by saying Obongo specifically forbade her from acting to save Chris Stevens.

But that's completely scorched earth. She'd completely alienate black voters for all eternity. Without them, she loses the nomination again.

Soros probably has enough pull to do it (on the Warren side), so that's a possibility, too. But Soros is *also* on team Obama- and would therefore have the same scorched earth concerns (if Hillary did decide she had no options left).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:25 PM (kff5f)

101 The Obama administration on Monday accused Senate Republicans of looking for war and undermining U.S. negotiations with Iran, charging that the GOP fundamentally misunderstands its role by acting outside the role our Founding Fathers envisioned Congress to play when it comes to foreign policy.

Weasel Zippers

So says the man who tramples the Constitution every day in many ways

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2015 03:25 PM (rDqRv)

102 My teeth are white.

Posted by: Lanny Davis at March 09, 2015 03:26 PM (wAQA5)

103 Hillary was too stupid to run her email scam on the side while using official email for innocuous things.

Smartest woman in the world, huh.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 09, 2015 03:26 PM (shFKH)

104 Tanned, rested and ready

Posted by: Martin Owe'Malley (D)umbass at March 09, 2015 03:26 PM (hzrlb)

105 >>>Among the charges was making donations to a charitable foundation in Poland.

That charitable foundation was run by an official with a regional health
ministry who had the authority to make pharmaceutical purchasing
decisions. The charitable foundation was legitimate and the foundation's
work was for a good cause. But the U.S. government found that the
donation still had a corrupt purpose.<<<

Too be fair. May we just hate Poland. I mean, we treat them almost as shitty as we treat Israel.

Posted by: Hussein Clown Posses at March 09, 2015 03:27 PM (c+Y7q)

106 charging that the GOP fundamentally misunderstands its role by acting outside the role our Founding Fathers envisioned Congress to play when it comes to foreign policy.

You mean they misunderstood the part where any "agreement" between the US and any foreign power that is not backed by an officially ratified treaty is not even worth the paper on which it is printed? That part?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:27 PM (kff5f)

107 And the moron O'Malley got a standing ovation at some dem shitfest. Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:23 PM (b7GF2) Which O'Malley do you speak of?
Posted by: Insomniac

The former dem gov of Maryland.

They are going to try and run somebody, anybody using FS and their GOTV. If they get the Presidency, good. Watch for them to move forces to try and regain the Senate. With Tiddles the Wonder Cat (old one eye) back in being the loyal opposition to a rethuglickkkkkkkkkan President. Who will become George Bush II

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:28 PM (b7GF2)

108 Its the Washington double standard...

Laws only apply to us Peons... not the ruling class in Washington...

They consistently write themselves absolution from the very laws they enforce upon us...

Look at Congress and insider trading... it was illegal for about 10 minutes... then they made it legal again as a rider to another law...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 09, 2015 03:28 PM (qh617)

109 *cheating such scumbags

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at March 09, 2015 03:28 PM (2IvUu)

110 They consistently write themselves absolution from the very laws they enforce upon us...

When I first learned that, I was incensed.

Nothing has changed that.

I seriously do not understand how my parents (and their parents) just sat back and allowed that to happen.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:29 PM (kff5f)

111 Off Topic: That sidebar article about the AP Test missed another error. The chart reads "Sams Culottes" instead of "Sans Culottes" (with an N and not an M). And the Montagnards were more like Stalinists/Maoists than mere "leftists" as they're the ones who unleashed the "Terror".

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2015 03:29 PM (JCdoo)

112 Who exactly is clamoring for the idiot O'Malley? Why?
They must be at there own Anybody But Hilary moment.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 09, 2015 03:29 PM (dkrmM)

113 Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:28 PM (b7GF2)

OK, thanks. I just skimmed his Wikipedia page, and it sounds like he was a corrupt MFer.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 09, 2015 03:29 PM (2Ojst)

114 "She gets promoted?"

Heh.

Anyone sorta got the feeling ol' Bill is sitting around saying "Hil' you should have asked me about all of this before now. "

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2015 03:29 PM (vvS6Q)

115 I'd love to see the Dems nominate a white guy named O'Malley after years of them decrying white men as the source of all evil. Of course he'd have to choose a minorty/female/tranny/illegal alien running mate for balance.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 09, 2015 03:29 PM (2cS/G)

116 Can't we just lock Liawatha, Martin and Hillary in a windowless room.
Give each of them a plastic spork, and a bic lighter.

And come back in 90 days, unlock the door, and see how they are doing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 09, 2015 03:29 PM (hzrlb)

117 It does look like a coordinated hit, but I doubt it's by TFG - he's got nothing to gain, and risks having Hillary! spill her guts.

He doesn't want the Clintons, as they won't enhance his "legacy" so his minions will gaslight her, and he won't fear retribution because he thinks that the press will cover for him.

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2015 03:30 PM (9221z)

118 Yes, it really is time to start looking for the eventual Dem nominee, because clearly Granny Mrs. Benghazi won't be it.

Over the weekend I suggested Kate Brown, newly minted (not elected) Governor of Oregon because she apparently swings both ways, so an Historic First President of Bisexuality would have been attractive to those people, but alas, she was born in Spain.

As far as I can tell, that still matters, unless the Birth Cert can be lost somehow.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2015 03:30 PM (TOk1P)

119 I'm Black Irish.

Posted by: Gov. O'Malley at March 09, 2015 03:31 PM (kff5f)

120 Be a real good time for the Governor of Wisconsin to sign a Right To Work Bill. The mice are eating their own.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 09, 2015 03:31 PM (oDCMR)

121 They want to get everyone connected to this regime including the Cherokee princess set aside (but not forgotten).

Think "dark horse", people. You can bet they already have one picked and ready to be presented at what they consider the best possible time.

And, yes, Soros salivations and money are all over this.

Posted by: Soona at March 09, 2015 03:31 PM (/HX7u)

122 Someone thought that Kerry is putting this stuff out with all intent of a 16 run. Omalley, Saunders and all they other big names. What a list of lying crooks them Dems have.
But yes the GOP will find a way to not turn out the base with the same result.

Posted by: Kentucky Kid at March 09, 2015 03:31 PM (1weFB)

123 The Clinton Foundation is just a scam to hire and spread tax free money to the "chosen". I know a woman that worked for them. Family big democrats. Her net worth? $500 MILLION. No kidding here, family owns largest private department story in country. Just a job to keep occupied. She got to travel a lot.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2015 03:31 PM (0FSuD)

124 Give each of them a plastic spork, and a bic lighter.

You've either done time or have watched too many special reports on prisons.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 09, 2015 03:31 PM (2Ojst)

125 I really think that this is the Chicago way, writ large. Police claim that many tips and breaks come from criminals ratting others out, often to settle a grudge or get rid of opposition.

No honor among thieves; especially when the chances of obama being touched or prosecuted are nil, but hilary is vulnerable with fundraising and her image leading up to the nomination.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (b7GF2)

126 France is calling for a UN Security Council meeting on March 27 to discuss the situation of minorities in the Middle East, Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Monday.

Fabius told a news conference in Rabat he would chair the meeting which would discuss the problems of Christians and other minorities in the region.

?????

I wonder if anyone told the frenchies that the Jooos are minorities in the Middle East? Maybe the biggest Minority

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (rDqRv)

127 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

She gets to be president? Just a guess.

Posted by: physics geek at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (MT22W)

128 When Republicans are in high office isn't always the case of the possible whiff of impropriety that sends them packing. These f*ckers just laugh all the way to the bank.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (vPh3W)

129
I'm not a crook!

-Richard Nixon

I'm not a crook!

-Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton

Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (P330y)

130 "You mean they misunderstood the part where any "agreement" between the
US and any foreign power that is not backed by an officially ratified
treaty is not even worth the paper on which it is printed? That part?"

I believe the President can sign an "agreement." The country has no need to act upon it until voted upon by Congress and passed/voted down.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (vvS6Q)

131 117 It does look like a coordinated hit, but I doubt it's by TFG - he's got nothing to gain, and risks having Hillary! spill her guts.

He doesn't want the Clintons, as they won't enhance his "legacy" so his minions will gaslight her, and he won't fear retribution because he thinks that the press will cover for him.

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2015 03:30 PM (9221z)

Yeah, but if Hillary called a press conference, and laid Benghazi at TFG's door, it'd be damned hard to keep the lid on.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (oKE6c)

132 For all their gold grabbing, is there any other family that enjoys their wealth less than the Clintons?

No matter how many zero's they add to their net-worth, it will never, ever be enough to fill the void where their souls are supposed to be.

Posted by: DocJ at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (zrsn3)

133 I get the philosophical/political point being made -- but legally speaking payments to a foreign charity by a U.S. person and payments by foreign governments to a US charity are not the same for purposes of the FCPA.

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She wasn't making a legal comparison, just an ethical one. And the ethical issues are very similar.

Posted by: SH at March 09, 2015 03:33 PM (gmeXX)

134
Nice work by Millie Hemingway.

It would also be good to know what work Huma Abedin was doing as a consultant for the Clinton foundation at the exact same time she was working for Hillary at the State Dept. Fishy.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 09, 2015 03:33 PM (bdqzU)

135 the situation of minorities in the Middle East

Wait, what?

The UN:

Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:33 PM (kff5f)

136
Over the weekend I suggested Kate Brown, newly minted (not elected) Governor of Oregon because... but alas, she was born in Spain.

Born in Spain to a US Airman stationed there. She's eligible.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2015 03:33 PM (JtwS4)

137 I wonder if anyone told the frenchies that the Jooos are minorities in the Middle East? Maybe the biggest Minority
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (rDqRv

Thats because they follow too many of CBD's recipies. If they ate less they wouldn't be the biggest minority.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 09, 2015 03:33 PM (vPh3W)

138 "You've either done time or have watched too many special reports on prisons."

What did I do this time?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 09, 2015 03:33 PM (hzrlb)

139 As Ferguson has demonstrated, the Dems need a Dark Lord at the top of the ticket to get Holder's people to the polls. Cankles, Feauxcohontas and that painfully white Irish guy just ain't gonna get it done.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 09, 2015 03:33 PM (oDCMR)

140 This is amusing and all but it's just another Clinton dirty money story... on top of the heap of others that no one cares about.

She defended a rapist as a lawyer and blamed the victim, then did the same for her husband several more times, yet the main plan in her PR campaign is her support of women. The LIVs lap it up and the Democrats are all "Historic First" and "Strong Woman" about her.

How many people are dead directly related to action/ inaction of the Clintons? How many decades of damage has been done to our foreign policy directly due to both Bill and Hillary?

Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2015 03:34 PM (AEQXb)

141 FCPA is a bullshit law that Feds routinely use to screw over people and companies they hate.

It is applied selectively and with fascist intent.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2015 03:34 PM (ZPrif)

142 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

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ISIS is doing exactly that.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2015 03:35 PM (ZPrif)

143 When a foreign government pays cash to a Democrat pol or functionary, it's not a bribe, it's tribute.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 09, 2015 03:35 PM (XO6WW)

144
"In case 'B' the question before the US Govt is if a donation to a non-profit is a bribe because the person who ran the charity was a government official."
Allen G
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Allen G -- I get that point -- but I don't understand its relevance. The U.S. government defined that Case A donation as a bribe because there was a law on the books saying that such bribes could constitute violations of the FCPA. Candidly, its a pretty fair reading of what the FCPA prevents.

Case B may be a violation of another law -- but that would have nothing to do with the violation in Case A. Again, I don't know the law covering Case B(i.e., the payments to the Clinton Foundation) and the courts may use the same interpretations of domestic and foreign anti-bribery laws, butthe article just strikes me as "gotcha" article.

Don't get me wrong. At a minimum, the Clinton Foundation's solicitation and acceptance of the paymentsis slimy and horrible policy. It may even be illegal. But the illegality has nothing to do with the "Case A" foreign bribery cited in the article.

Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 03:35 PM (/KrYu)

145 It is applied selectively and with fascist intent.

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Well isn't that the issue with all laws?

Posted by: SH at March 09, 2015 03:35 PM (gmeXX)

146 Yeah, but if Hillary called a press conference, and laid Benghazi at TFG's door, it'd be damned hard to keep the lid on.

"What difference, at this point, does it make!?!"

Actually, my thought (if she goes scorched earth) is similar. There is apparently a Clinton Wing and Not-Clinton Wing of the Democrat party.

If she goes scorched earth enough, does the Clinton Wing have enough votes to give Republicans an impeachment and removal of the President?

I suspect she does.

If that's the case, she doesn't even have to go to the press. Just go to Boehner and McConnel (both of whom would love to impeach Obama- if just to be able to rally the Republican base because of it) and say, "I can make it happen- I just want immunity."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:36 PM (kff5f)

147
ISIS is doing exactly that.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 0

I know there is Kosher salt.
Is there Habib salt or whatever their food practices are called?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 09, 2015 03:36 PM (vPh3W)

148 You can't fine an elderly grandmother confined to a motorized scooter. With her bug-eyed corrective lenses and her enormous cankles, the optics would be devastating politically. You may as well just throw her off of a cliff.

Posted by: Fritz at March 09, 2015 03:36 PM (UzPAd)

149
Yeah, but if Hillary called a press conference, and laid Benghazi at TFG's door, it'd be damned hard to keep the lid on.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:32 PM (oKE6c)

Agreed. But who'd have the balls to hold him to account?

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2015 03:36 PM (9221z)

150 Wasn't there also a NYT aricle a few months ago about how much of the Clinton foundation money never makes it to its designated cause, such as a bunch of $$$ for Haiti?

So first they get money from a country to "aid Haiti." Hillary then does something in return through the State Dept.. And then that money goes to the Clintons instead of Haiti.
Cute.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (bdqzU)

151 Safely burying the Clintons before they're dead is proving problematic for everyone. It ought to get real entertaining when it becomes obvious they're really down.

Posted by: DaveA at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (DL2i+)

152 Yeah, but if Hillary called a press conference, and laid Benghazi at TFG's door, it'd be damned hard to keep the lid on.
Posted by: Jay Guevara

On what? No one is going to even sign articles if impeachment, much less act on them.

Hilary may know someone who is vividly aware of how insulated they can be when President. Rhymes with 'tubba'.

Hilary is the warmed over 'inevitable' candidate. JEF ain't. She has vulnerabilites that he doesn't. Mooch isn't running soon, and the daughters are too young to matter.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (b7GF2)

153 The LIVs lap it up and the Democrats are all "Historic First" and "Strong Woman" about her.

Have you ever seen an example of a "Strong Woman" as shielded and pampered as Cankles? She is afforded the Kitty Softpaws (apologies for that imagery) wherever she goes - which is exclusively (like King Putt) to uber friendly venues where dissent from the party line is never, ever tolerated.

Posted by: DocJ at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (zrsn3)

154 "When a foreign government pays cash to a Democrat pol or functionary, it's not a bribe, it's tribute."

Just business. The natural order of things. Everyone look away and don't ask no questions.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (vvS6Q)

155
>>>Think "dark horse", people. You can bet they already have one picked and ready to be presented at what they consider the best possible time.

Keith Ellison.

Haha ha heh

Posted by: Bigby's Brass Knuckles at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (3ZtZW)

156 Don't get me wrong. At a minimum, the Clinton Foundation's solicitation and acceptance of the paymentsis slimy and horrible policy. It may even be illegal. But the illegality has nothing to do with the "Case A" foreign bribery cited in the article.

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Again, I don't think MH was making the point that it was illegal - maybe that it should be - but that ethically there isn't much difference.

Posted by: SH at March 09, 2015 03:38 PM (gmeXX)

157 Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 03:35 PM (/KrYu)

The Clintons draw a direct benefit from the foundation.... as it pays for office space... and staff... and the 'Library'... and for travel expenses.

Its not a charity... its a slush fund.

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 09, 2015 03:38 PM (qh617)

158
I suspect she does.

If that's the case, she doesn't even have to go to the press. Just go to Boehner and McConnel (both of whom would love to impeach Obama- if just to be able to rally the Republican base because of it) and say, "I can make it happen- I just want immunity."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:36

1) She does not
2) McConnell and Boehner would never let me repeat NEVER impeach the JEF even they had veto proof majorities.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 09, 2015 03:38 PM (vPh3W)

159
141

I agree that it is often used highly selectively and in an abusive fashion. But frankly I have that complaint about a number of laws. Everytime we see a wrong, our instinct should not be to write another law to deal with it.

Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 03:39 PM (/KrYu)

160 Case B may be a violation of another law -- but that would have nothing to do with the violation in Case A.

The question is: Do donations to a charitable organization which may be made in return for political favors from those tied to same organization equal a bribe?

If the answer is "no" then there is bribery in the first case, and there is no bribery in the second, either.

If the answer is "yes," it must be "yes" regardless of the parties involved and regardless of the direction of the donation (into the US or out of it). In which case Clinton accepted bribes.

That's the whole point. Either they're both bribery, or neither one is.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:39 PM (kff5f)

161 Also, look at how they're taking Cuomo out. They start the slow burn with Silver anti-corruption scandal, and with the Menendez hit have told Andy he gets to be Guv and nothing more. Then there is the story in today's NY Post on how all the Dem activists hate Cuomo.
Obama really wants to wipe out the Clinton machine.

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2015 03:39 PM (9221z)

162 @nc your argument seems to be that the FCPA is only a law that covers US companies making donations to charities in foreign countries so that it doesn't apply.

Yes. You are correct.

But the point is that Hillary and Chelsea and Bill say well this isn't corruption when foreign countries give us money. Why not? Obviously it is not against the FCPA. But the FCPA is not about the violation of the law, it is about the corruption.

Posted by: blaster at March 09, 2015 03:39 PM (Rx8ML)

163 Historic First President of Bisexuality

Hmm, tough choice -- a woman who has doubled her chances of getting a date on Saturday night or a shriveled old habitually lying woman who hasn't seen a d*ck since long before Webster Hubbell provided a turkey baster full of love?

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 09, 2015 03:39 PM (xQX/f)

164 At this point what difference does it make?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 09, 2015 03:40 PM (WGm5T)

165 Hillarrhoids

Heh.

That reminded me of "The Herculoids" from the late 60s(?). Coolest cartoon ever:

1) Prehistoric rhino that shoots missiles out of its hollow horn.
2) Gigantic ape that beats the hell outta shit.
3) Fuckin' flying dinosaur that shoots lasers out of its eyes AND tail!
4) Two blobs that do stuff.

Man, how I used to wish those really existed....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 09, 2015 03:40 PM (wtvvX)

166 OK this may be over the line. Republican majority sends letter to Iran, without our approval, no deal is going through

Good for them.

NY Slime link maybe fire walled.

http://tinyurl.com/npjro9n

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2015 03:40 PM (0FSuD)

167 Ace should start a foundation. To help morons, I mean people of lesser status and intelligence, aka right wing nut job or something

Posted by: lindafell doesn't want to get up any more at March 09, 2015 03:40 PM (7RvOV)

168 152 Yeah, but if Hillary called a press conference, and laid Benghazi at TFG's door, it'd be damned hard to keep the lid on.
Posted by: Jay Guevara

On what? No one is going to even sign articles if impeachment, much less act on them.

Nothing to do with impeachment, but everything to do with news coverage. Not even with the strictest Party discipline could the Reds keep the lid on a bombshell like that. It's too juicy a story. You want to talk about TFG's legacy? It would go into the crapper in a heartbeat if she were to do that. It'd be the talk at every water cooler in America.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:40 PM (oKE6c)

169
>>>That's the whole point. Either they're both bribery, or neither one is.

Yup except for that I'm Rubber, You're Glue thing

Posted by: Bigby's Brass Knuckles at March 09, 2015 03:41 PM (3ZtZW)

170 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:39 PM (kff5f)

But if said person derives Benefit from said Charity.... like office space... or travel expense...

It becomes a direct bribe...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 09, 2015 03:41 PM (qh617)

171 I agree that it is often used highly selectively and in an abusive fashion. But frankly I have that complaint about a number of laws. Everytime we see a wrong, our instinct should not be to write another law to deal with it.

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Agree with all of this. More support for why common law is superior to codified law.

Posted by: SH at March 09, 2015 03:41 PM (gmeXX)

172 "eah, but if Hillary called a press conference, and laid Benghazi at TFG's door, it'd be damned hard to keep the lid on.

Posted by: Jay Guevara

On what? No one is going to even sign articles if impeachment, much less act on them."

Dude. Totally.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2015 03:41 PM (vvS6Q)

173 I think Hillary is just as culpable as TFG for Benghazi - not sending more security as requested (and then again on 9/11), doing political CYA during the attack instead of sending assistance ASAP, and then lying afterward about it being because of the video. I just don't see Hillary willing to take the hit to expose Obama; doubt she's capable of admitting her part in all of it.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 09, 2015 03:41 PM (bdqzU)

174
That's the great thing about having a mob style charitable foundation, the bribe givers get access and a tax write-off and the bribe takers get tax-free money to spend at their leisure.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 09, 2015 03:41 PM (ODxAs)

175 Sticking with just the females, I guess Gillibrand would be as likely an option as any... except maybe she's too good looking?

For politics, I mean. She could easily be called a younger, better looking Granny Mrs. Benghazi, so I don't know if that works for or against her.

Apparently she wasn't sufficiently pro-gay whilst in the House, so she may be condemned for that.

I would think the Dems are going to have to go for a Politician of Color, or someone who is sufficiently all-in with the gay stuff. One way or another.

We may have our work cut out for us, folks. Picking the Dem nominee for President is harder work than I thought.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2015 03:42 PM (TOk1P)

176
So what they are saying is that it is illegal to pay a bribe, but perfectly legal to accept a bribe.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 09, 2015 03:42 PM (79zi+)

177 Everyone needs to stop and count their chickens before they cross the road. If Hillary is "deemed" out, who does that leave for the Dems?

Yep, that means President Bush III.

That is where this is all going.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 09, 2015 03:42 PM (4oSLk)

178 At this point, they may not have an alternative. In fact, having one is a detriment.

This puts the Clintons out of play, including the future princess Chelsea, and opens the door for another invented POS from somewhere.

They took an ambitous know nothing racist machine politician from Chicago and muscled their way up and in.
They then made history by gaining re-election with bad economic numbers.
If anyone was confident and looking long term, it's this crew.

And worst case, they concentrate on regaining the Senate.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:42 PM (b7GF2)

179 McConnell and Boehner would never let me repeat NEVER impeach the JEF even they had veto proof majorities.

I disagree.

Well. Sort of.

If they had veto proof majorities, I could see that they wouldn't. But they *don't* have veto-proof majorities, and their caucus is badly flagging. Impeaching the SCOAMT (and removing him from office) would get the fire-breathers (or some of them) back on board and shore up the caucus.

And if Democrats are involved, it's easier for Republicans to say "it was about his behavior- not his race or politics."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:43 PM (kff5f)

180 Law's are for the little people

Posted by: Hillary Rodham at March 09, 2015 03:44 PM (0Ew3K)

181 On what? No one is going to even sign articles if impeachment, much less act on them. Hilary may know someone who is vividly aware of how insulated they can be when President. Rhymes with 'tubba'. Hilary is the warmed over 'inevitable' candidate. JEF ain't. She has vulnerabilites that he doesn't. Mooch isn't running soon, and the daughters are too young to matter.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (b7GF2)

---------------------------------------------

Throw in Jeb, and it's exactly like what I said upthread. Royalty vying for their rights to the throne.

Posted by: Soona at March 09, 2015 03:44 PM (/HX7u)

182 The item in the sidebar is confusing: why are they discussing Clarence Thomas and the KKK in an AP European History prep book?
There's a chart trying to draw analogous parallels between factions involved in the French Revolution from left to right and American politics of today and its (supposed) left to right. Clarence Thomas and the Klan are put together on the extreme right of the chart analogous to the fled aristocratic Emigres. The chart is full of b.s. on all levels.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2015 03:44 PM (JCdoo)

183 This puts the Clintons out of play, including the future princess Chelsea, and opens the door for another invented POS from somewhere.

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Are people really worried about Chelsea? The Clinton's are a dynasty of one - unless grandchild has ambitions.

Posted by: SH at March 09, 2015 03:44 PM (gmeXX)

184 Obama really wants to wipe out the Clinton machine.

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2015 03:39 PM (9221z)

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I doubt it's Obama, frankly. He seems disconnected with Dem politics (providing minimal assistance to Dem candidates, for example), has little following in the Democrat Party, and little to gain from attacking potential successors (one of whom might be in a position to throw goodies his way later). Furthermore, some of them probably have some dirt on him too. Why take the chance?

No, I think Liewatha's supporters are a better bet. She's new enough to politics, and has not been in a position of power, and so probably has little dirt to worry about.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:44 PM (oKE6c)

185 @179

Pretty notion. The way things "should" be.

Ain't. Happening.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2015 03:45 PM (vvS6Q)

186 Quid Pro Quo, hey it makes the world go round.

Bill's foundations intentions are sincere, therefore all of this bribe talk is bullshit. At this point, what difference does it make.

Its all a vast right wing conspiracy, you little pissants get back to work or reruns of Family Feud

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 09, 2015 03:45 PM (vPh3W)

187 From the sidebar:

Jim Geraghty: Why Does Hillary Clinton Have So Few Allies Right Now?

The Clintons don't have friends; they have co-conspirators.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 09, 2015 03:45 PM (0Ew3K)

188 If Hillary is "deemed" out, who does that leave for the Dems? Yep, that means President Bush III.

Another Bush v Clinton?

I'm in-it to win-it, Larry!1!

Posted by: Ross Perot at March 09, 2015 03:46 PM (xQX/f)

189 If that's the case, she doesn't even have to go to the press. Just go to Boehner and McConnel (both of whom would love to impeach Obama- if just to be able to rally the Republican base because of it) and say, "I can make it happen- I just want immunity." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:36 1) She does not 2) McConnell and Boehner would never let me repeat NEVER impeach the JEF even they had veto proof majorities

Neither the GOP leadership or the amoral dems could be trusted. Here, it would become the old "strike, strike to kill" bit. Unless they were confident that their hispandering had truly paid off, they would never vote to convict JEF.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:46 PM (b7GF2)

190
156

Fair enough and I agree that it is unethical, unseemly and bad policy. Frankly, it just looks grubby and cheap.

Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 03:46 PM (/KrYu)

191 Is it Obama or Jarrett making sure Obama's legacy is in tact by ensuring the next Dem president is someone she approves?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 09, 2015 03:46 PM (bdqzU)

192 @ DocJ at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (zrsn3)

I completely agree. There is nothing "strong" or "independent" or "experienced" about Hillary. Not a damn thing. Yet a lot of people preach it like it's gospel.

We are the country, after all, who elected a guy who's never had a full time job, never kept any of his phony part time jobs for more than 2 years, and declared any questions about his background or experience to be racist to the Presidency... twice.

By TFG standards, Hillary! is a step up.

Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2015 03:46 PM (AEQXb)

193 Over the weekend I suggested Kate Brown, newly
minted (not elected) Governor of Oregon because... but alas, she was
born in Spain.

Born in Spain to a US Airman stationed there. She's eligible.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2015 03:33 PM (JtwS4)

Really? Fantastic! I'll put her back in the maybe pile. Her and Gillibrand. I would shove C*ntwell in there too, but... I think she's too fond of the rod.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2015 03:46 PM (TOk1P)

194 Jim Geraghty: Why Does Hillary Clinton Have So Few Allies Right Now?

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Why would you ally with someone who has no future?

Posted by: SH at March 09, 2015 03:46 PM (gmeXX)

195 What penalty will Ms. Clinton pay?

She'll get elected President and then Bill will nut in a tween* on a reality tv show?

What do I win?

*ace, thank you so much for that image which continues to linger.

Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 09, 2015 03:47 PM (mf5HN)

196
And if Democrats are involved, it's easier for Republicans to say "it was about his behavior- not his race or politics."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:4

Allen, if the GOP had the dems to convict TFG they still wouldn't let me repeat WOULDN'T impeach TFG.

We are stuck with this miserable excuse of president for 2 more years. Keep praying he has a conversion or that our country is too strong for him to flush down the toilet. Damn I sound optimistic today.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 09, 2015 03:47 PM (vPh3W)

197 Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 09, 2015 03:47 PM (mf5HN)

Which would be worse? "In" or "on?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:47 PM (kff5f)

198 Frankly, it just looks grubby and cheap.

Well hi there sailor!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 09, 2015 03:47 PM (yl/WE)

199 On what? No one is going to even sign articles if impeachment, much less act on them. Hilary may know someone who is vividly aware of how insulated they can be when President. Rhymes with 'tubba'. Hilary is the warmed over 'inevitable' candidate. JEF ain't. She has vulnerabilites that he doesn't. Mooch isn't running soon, and the daughters are too young to matter. Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:37 PM (b7GF2) --------------------------------------------- Throw in Jeb, and it's exactly like what I said upthread. Royalty vying for their rights to the throne.
Posted by: Soona

Exactly. Unless stopped, Hilary can conceivably be a two term, and Chelsea would have gotten some office somewhere and moving in.
This opens up the field, and the team running the WH now get to be kingmakers, not the clinton crowd.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:48 PM (b7GF2)

200 173 I think Hillary is just as culpable as TFG for Benghazi - not sending more security as requested (and then again on 9/11), doing political CYA during the attack instead of sending assistance ASAP, and then lying afterward about it being because of the video. I just don't see Hillary willing to take the hit to expose Obama; doubt she's capable of admitting her part in all of it.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 09, 2015 03:41 PM (bdqzU)

This presupposes she would tell the truth. She only has to make the allegation. It doesn't have to be true. She could allege JEF participated in satanic rituals. It would make every front page in the world, and JEF would be asked about it everywhere he went, because it's such a juicy ratings builder for every media ~~sphincter~~ outlet.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:48 PM (oKE6c)

201 The Clinton's are a dynasty of one - unless grandchild has ambitions.

All four of hir* grandparents are crooks, but only one served time at Club Fed.

* I can't care enough to remember the gender assigned it at birth.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 09, 2015 03:48 PM (/kI1Q)

202 If Hillary drops the dime on Obama, Obama would menendez her. She knows it he knows it. Scorpion meet scorpion. Stand-off.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 09, 2015 03:48 PM (WNERA)

203 No, I think Liewatha's supporters are a better bet. She's new enough to politics, and has not been in a position of power, and so probably has little dirt to worry about.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:44 PM (oKE6c)

I have to disagree. Fauxcahonits isn't slick enough and further doesn't have the right access to the relevant docs, even if she has the support of the radicals. Leaking docs is Barry's stock in trade, and with control of the DOJ he has means. I do think Barry would prefer Fauxcahonits to Her Thighness.

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2015 03:49 PM (9221z)

204 Soros,
Follow the money. Soros has the most to gain by pushing his pick for president, as for his relationship with Obummer that's disposable. The only thing that matters is the money. Whomever Soros has picked from behind the curtain will be the next democratic nominee. If he can drive the Stake a little bit further into the US's heart the more the better for him.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman looking for my saddle at March 09, 2015 03:49 PM (A7LEa)

205 Are people really worried about Chelsea?

They should be. My daughter is extremely politically astute. Her mother has a record of political service unmatched by few.

Posted by: Webster Hubbell at March 09, 2015 03:49 PM (xQX/f)

206 Why would you ally with someone who has no future?
Tell me about it.

Posted by: the president of yemen at March 09, 2015 03:49 PM (JCdoo)

207 And worst case, they concentrate on regaining the Senate.

Ha good one, Harry Ried already runs the senate.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 09, 2015 03:50 PM (ODxAs)

208 No one really LIKES any liberal. I mean they will vote for one because they ideological idiots, but no one really likes them, not even other liberals, They are all nasty bitter rotten small people.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2015 03:50 PM (rDqRv)

209
Exactly. Unless stopped, Hilary can conceivably be a two term, and Chelsea would have gotten some office somewhere and moving in.
This opens up the field, and the team running the WH now get to be kingmakers, not the clinton crowd.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:48 PM (b7GF2)

Well by then Mercy Killing would be legal. So there is that.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 09, 2015 03:50 PM (vPh3W)

210 So does Hillary remind you of a 60's hippie singing this commie song....

http://tinyurl.com/oslqwul

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2015 03:50 PM (0FSuD)

211 Nood Zombie Steve Jobs.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:51 PM (kff5f)

212 Bill never defended Algeria by name. He never said Algeria in the speech. That was by design I am sure.

Posted by: Psycotte at March 09, 2015 03:51 PM (ZHrVC)

213 Which would be worse? "In" or "on?"
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 09, 2015 03:47 PM (kff5f)

I tell people about the bukkake and I tell people . . . .

(I cannot believe I am having to ponder this, help me old school Jenna licking the gun, you're my only hope!)

In. Because Safe Sex You Guys, Seriously!

Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 09, 2015 03:51 PM (mf5HN)

214 Great. I've been willowed.

Just like in real life.

Posted by: the president of yemen at March 09, 2015 03:51 PM (JCdoo)

215 >>There is nothing "strong" or "independent" or "experienced" about
Hillary. Not a damn thing. Yet a lot of people preach it like it's
gospel.

Hillary has benefited from 23+ years of the media, entertainment, and education systems lauding her as the most qualified woman evah. Just look at all of the awards she has received for simply being Hillary, how many mentins she has in popular culture (e.g. a movie set in the future had pres. Hillary on its currency). They have ensured that this myth of Hillary's competence, brilliance, qualification for the presidency is common knowledge; and entire generation has been brainwashed.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 09, 2015 03:52 PM (bdqzU)

216 And worst case, they concentrate on regaining the Senate.Ha good one, Harry Ried already runs the senate.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

Good pointe, but not sufficient. Someone may grow a spine, nuke the filibuster, and something might accidentally get done.

Regaining the Senate isn't out of reach, and would gaurantee that the rethug President gets a steady ration of shit.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2015 03:52 PM (b7GF2)

217 If this turns into a crapstorm of old democrat vs new democrat, the party is dead for the forseeable future, because neither wants the other to succeed if it means they lose power.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 09, 2015 03:52 PM (79zi+)

218 I have to disagree. Fauxcahonits isn't slick enough
and further doesn't have the right access to the relevant docs, even if
she has the support of the radicals. Leaking docs is Barry's stock in
trade, and with control of the DOJ he has means. I do think Barry would
prefer Fauxcahonits to Her Thighness.

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2015 03:49 PM (9221z)

I agree, but I don't think Fauxcahontas even has to be involved. Leaking docs got Barry to his present position, but we don't know that that was his doing, or whether it was done for him (as I suspect), the way he got TWO book contracts, the way he was given co-sponsorship on state senate bills just before they were passed, etc.
204 Soros,
Follow the money. Soros has the most to gain by pushing his pick for president, as for his relationship with Obummer that's disposable. The only thing that matters is the money. Whomever Soros has picked from behind the curtain will be the next democratic nominee. If he can drive the Stake a little bit further into the US's heart the more the better for him.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman looking for my saddle at March 09, 2015 03:49 PM (A7LEa)

This is my guess, too. Obongo and Liewatha are mere stalking horses.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 09, 2015 03:53 PM (oKE6c)

219 Hillary walks into a bar. Bartender says: "No, no! Not the stool! The booths over there have nice wide bench seats."

Posted by: wth at March 09, 2015 03:53 PM (wAQA5)

220
160

Allen G -- they both may be bribes, but the legal consequences are different. The FCPA addresses one type of bribery. Under the FCPA it is illegal fora U.S. person (or using the means or instrumentalities of U.S. commerce) to offer or give, money, gifts or things of value to foreign officials or politicians for the purpose of obtaining unfair business advantages. Hillary Clinton may have accepted a bribe - but that particular bribe was not a violation of the FCPA. It may be a violation of other laws -- I just have not looked.

Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 03:53 PM (/KrYu)

221 Why would you ally with someone who has no future?Tell me about it.
Posted by: the president of yemen at March 09, 2015 03:49 PM (JCdoo)

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Yup.

Posted by: Lawfully elected prez. of Hondurous at March 09, 2015 03:56 PM (/HX7u)

222 Okay. After all is written, analyzed, and pontificated on this thread, let's ask the average man or woman on the street what they think.

Posted by: Lawfully elected prez. of Hondurous at March 09, 2015 03:59 PM (/HX7u)

223 May we give Bill a blowjob now?

Posted by: Feminists That Worship Abortion On Demand at March 09, 2015 04:00 PM (nbGZj)

224 Hillary Clinton may have accepted a bribe - but that particular bribe was not a violation of the FCPA.

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Maybe I am missing something. MH only argues that from an ethical standpoint, the two practices are similar. Not that one is a violation of the law because the other is.

Posted by: SH at March 09, 2015 04:03 PM (gmeXX)

225
224

I will get off my high horse about this. I am just being pedantic now. I probably was reading too much (or not enough) into the article.

Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 04:05 PM (/KrYu)

226
The "Clinton Foundation" has been wonderful for Bill. He gets to fly around the world on private jets, horn-dog on any woman under the age of 50, and gets to pontificate and act "Presidential" and receive warm accolades.

In a perfect world these people would still be trying to get the feathers out of the tar on their bodies.

Posted by: Cheri at March 09, 2015 04:05 PM (G+Wff)

227 I will get off my high horse about this. I am just being pedantic now. I probably was reading too much (or not enough) into the article.

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I wasn't necessarily reading the back and forth bt you and AllenG - just your responses.

Posted by: SH at March 09, 2015 04:07 PM (gmeXX)

228 Chelsea Clinton v. Chelsea Manning which one is the trannie?

Can we start refering to Hillary's campaign as "Big Vagina" ?

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 09, 2015 04:11 PM (iDWKC)

229 Al Gore, wingnuts.

Posted by: Fritz at March 09, 2015 04:15 PM (UzPAd)

230 When top government officials and other civilians at the top (like David Gregory) expect to get a pass, then we as a nation of free citizens have a problem.

As the case builds for the states to call an Article V Convention to consider how to amend the Constitution in order to repair the relationship between the federal government and the States and the People, after we first debate an amendment to forbid the federal government from spending more than than the citizens pay in taxes, we must consider how to ensure that if we have a law, it applies to everyone or it applies to no one.

Posted by: theBuckWheat at March 09, 2015 04:30 PM (nmcha)

231
SH

No worries at all. I thought your responses were thoughtful.

Posted by: nc at March 09, 2015 05:23 PM (/KrYu)

232 There's no double standard here at all. One needs to remember that J&J, Lilly and Pfizer are BIG PHARMA corporations. Corporations are not people and money isn't speech. I'm not clear as to what that means exactly, but it's true!

The pharmaceutical companies do two things: (1) They develop cures for AIDS and don't let anybody with AIDS benefit from these medicines, and (2) they invent stuff like nicotine and Monsanto and high-fructose corn syrup which is killing people, primarily children.

They deserve whatever they get.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 09, 2015 06:13 PM (8TqNO)

233 Has anyone ever wondered or asked which division of government actually receives ALL of these various "fines" levied by the government? Is it on a balance sheet and accounted for by anyone with any integrity? Is there a ledger entry called "Fines" which only lead to increased cost of goods and services in our country?

Posted by: Andra at March 10, 2015 03:14 PM (ynH7U)

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