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Thank God It's Friday Morning News Dump
- Good Read: Kafkatrapping
- Running Scared On Abortion
- A Tedious Recycled State Of The Union
- Saudi King Adullah Died
- The Pro-Life Movement Must Stop Being Whores Of The Republican Party
- Screw Jeb, Marco's Running
- The Europeans And The Jews
- Media Takes Aim At Conservative Culture
- Obama's Youtube Interviews Turn Into A PR Disaster
- Oil Driller Going To Die In 2nd Quarter
- Rape Culture Profiness Feeds Moral Panic Over Non-Existent Epidemic
- How The GOP's Abortion Bill Fell Apart
- Measles Outbreak Grows At Disneyland
- De Blasio Is A Crappy Mayor, A Continuing Series
- France Admits Soldiers Have Deserted To ISIS
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 23, 2015 08:31 AM (Bxnvc)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 23, 2015 08:31 AM (eytER)
So, what the actual fuck is with the fruit loops lady having audience with the Obama?
I just saw this on FnF and I am beside myself with rage and confusion.
Is this what we have come to?
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 08:32 AM (6G698)
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 23, 2015 08:32 AM (Bxnvc)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at January 23, 2015 08:32 AM (oDCMR)
Huh? What happened to fairness and shit?
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 08:33 AM (6G698)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 08:33 AM (mx5oN)
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 23, 2015 08:32 AM (Bxnvc)
Drinking it is better.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 08:33 AM (mx5oN)
My whore days are over. No more. I'm out.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 08:34 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 23, 2015 08:34 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 23, 2015 08:34 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 08:35 AM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 08:36 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: EC at January 23, 2015 08:37 AM (doBIb)
Good morning, pretty Hordelings.
So, here's what I've learned about Saudi succession. The dead king, the new demented king, and the crown prince who's actually been running the place are all sons of Ibn Saud.
Saud had 38 sons by his 22 wives. (That's total wives, he only had four at a time). Now the last of these, the Crown Prince, is 69. So succession has always been well managed, based on consensus as to which of the remaining sons is best for the job.
I have an inkling that in ten years or so when the last son dies things might get messy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 23, 2015 08:37 AM (JtwS4)
KafkaTrappists make really good bread but getting inside their monastery is a real trick, let me tell you...
Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 23, 2015 08:37 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 08:37 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 23, 2015 08:38 AM (0NG9V)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 23, 2015 08:38 AM (/p+Br)
Posted by: EC at January 23, 2015 08:38 AM (doBIb)
Word is at least 6,000 folks will be furloughed in the Alberta oilfields. My source is only semi-reliable, but one would expect some sort of reaction to low oil prices.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 23, 2015 08:39 AM (Bxnvc)
Meet the Radical Brownies* Girl Scouts for the modern age
The girls, ages 8 - 12, are part of the Radical Brownies, an edgier, younger version of the Girl Scouts, where girls earn badges for completing workshops on social protests, and a beauty workshop that celebrate racial diversity.
Girls learn about social justice movements such the Black Panthers and the Chicano group Brown Berets. They wear their brown berets in homage to those two groups. But they also study how Disney princesses define girls image of beauty, and how that can affect self___.
The Radical Brownies have their own badge system, including one for Radical Beauty and an LGBT ally badge. The girls also earned a Black Lives Matter badge after learning about police accountability and attending a civil rights march in Oakland.
*The Radical Brownies are not affiliated with the Girl Scouts of the USA.
http://tinyurl.com/mmd8v7v
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 08:39 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Sven10077"
Apologies mate, I actually don't have the slightest clue what that even means. I mean, I know who Jake Tapper is... but the rest of it, no clue.
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 08:40 AM (6G698)
Are they going to make a video where they dress as princesses and say "fuck" a lot?
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 08:40 AM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 23, 2015 08:41 AM (/p+Br)
women, including Rep. Ellmers, Kristi Noem, and Cynthia Lummis, had
brought their concerns to Majority Whip Steve Scalise. They said,
according to people who were in the room, that the Pain-Capable Unborn
Child Protection Act was turning into a bill that defined rape and
distracted from the bill's intent of stopping late-term abortions. They
were livid about a clause in the bill that required a woman to have
reported sexual assault to police in order to be eligible for the
procedure.
Post R3volution/Apocalypse, woman should not be able to vote or hold public office.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 23, 2015 08:41 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 08:41 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 23, 2015 08:42 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 08:42 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 08:42 AM (kdS6q)
I've taken plenty of shit for this before, but I still think the 19th Amendment has had significant negative unintended consequences.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 08:42 AM (mx5oN)
Local companies announced plans for layoffs week before last. It's going to hurt for a bit but depending upon what happens in the Gulf, who knows.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 23, 2015 08:43 AM (/p+Br)
http://tinyurl.com/mmd8v7v
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 08:39 AM
So...communist summer camp for future OWS scrunts?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 23, 2015 08:44 AM (knoK7)
As a woman, I am surprisingly fine with that.
Posted by: parteagirl at January 23, 2015 08:44 AM (Plx/u)
Who bitch this is?
Johnny Boehner's that's who.
Of course, my rep ain't much better. Plays the same games. Just like Burr.
And Nip. Thom still has a chance to disappoint.
Eff em all.
Dan Forest FTW!
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 23, 2015 08:44 AM (GqEzX)
The pro-life cause must stop acting like the Republican Party"a whore and must instead show New Testament grace to the world and Old Testament vengeance to politicians.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 08:45 AM (dFi94)
Jake Tapper and I interact on twitter....
I was rather hard on Obama essentially being a clown with the office.
Tom Brady's balls engender more media outrage than ISIS toppling Yemen...where as recently as last week Giggles was sending Club 'gitmo alumni...
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 08:46 AM (/4AZU)
http://tinyurl.com/mmd8v7v
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix"
Wow.
"The founders say once the program expands to multiple chapters the
organization will be open to everybody, but the program will always
remain focused on young girls of color."
I'm going to do something similar, and call them the Conservative White Brats, who will promote constitutional ideology and they will sport badges representing the bill of rights. Oh yea and it will only be open to young white males.
How do you think that will work out?
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 08:46 AM (6G698)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 23, 2015 08:46 AM (/p+Br)
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http://tinyurl.com/oulq5ws
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 23, 2015 08:46 AM (V+Zhy)
Heh.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 23, 2015 08:41 AM (/p+Br)
Group Of Pussy elites.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 23, 2015 08:46 AM (GqEzX)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 23, 2015 08:47 AM (7ObY1)
Most people are WAY too submissive to "authority".
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at January 23, 2015 08:47 AM (SCcgT)
Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at January 23, 2015 08:48 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 23, 2015 08:46 AM
That's what happens when they're only half baked.
Of course, given what they're focusing on, they may be more baked than I thought.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 23, 2015 08:48 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 08:48 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: PajamaMan at January 23, 2015 08:48 AM (gDesX)
Woke up surrounded by empty Doritos bags with a Pink Floyd album playing the run-out groove.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 23, 2015 08:48 AM (7ObY1)
Most people are WAY too submissive to "authority".
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at January 23, 2015 08:47 AM (SCcgT)
Yep, and the indoctrination starts in school.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 08:48 AM (mx5oN)
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at January 23, 2015 08:49 AM (FA3Z7)
First I thought the "Onion". But then I thought, where else are we going to get our future Supreme Court justices if not from groups like these?
Or maybe the head of the Women's Study depts at major public universities.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 23, 2015 08:50 AM (Bxnvc)
There's more than one Democrat that is prolife. They just don't let them talk or use the Congressional bathrooms.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 08:51 AM (dFi94)
Well there goes that one right out the window.
Posted by: Clownfart.President.com at January 23, 2015 08:51 AM (XweGt)
You know who else is more manly than Obama? London's mayor Boris Johnson.
http://bit.ly/15vLcQm
He's visiting British troops in Erbil, and is seen here with an AK-47 in prone shooting position next to a Pesh Merga soldier.
And wearing a business suit, which looks weird.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 23, 2015 08:52 AM (JtwS4)
>>>
I agree as long as Womanhood is not based on girl parts. There are a whole lot of male women out there fing things up too.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 23, 2015 08:52 AM (Mxs5H)
also a gullible and unscientific jack-off:
Enjoy!
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/01/22/romney-
climate-change-is-real-man-is-contributing-to-it-and-
its-time-to-do-something-about-it/
Bonus!
He also proves that he's just another Corruptocrat as "green" energy is about nothing more than shoveling money to cronies at the expense of the middle class and poor.
Ckuf him.
And just for good measure...Ckuf Jeb! too.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 23, 2015 08:52 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at January 23, 2015 08:49 AM (FA3Z7)
Where's the difference ?
And yes I have somewhere else to go. I'm not on some kind of plantation.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 08:53 AM (dFi94)
This had to have been planned from the start.
Kinda like our WH being infiltrated.
Naive tolerance.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 08:53 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 23, 2015 08:54 AM (DXzRD)
http://tinyurl.com/ovvx457
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Heck of a job, Brownie!
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 23, 2015 08:54 AM (69Hjg)
They really do. Have any of you guys seen scans of their magazines? Glossy, four-color jobbies that make it sound adventurous and Teh Winning, like old Soldier of Fortune mags crossed with Sports Illustrated or something.
Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 23, 2015 08:54 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 23, 2015 08:55 AM (GqEzX)
Anybody have the stomach to sit through the YouTube 'stars' interview of Il Dicke?
Posted by: Rev. Al at January 23, 2015 08:55 AM (fWAjv)
Otherwise known as "Government" today...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 23, 2015 08:55 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 08:53 AM (dFi94)
Well sure, it's called the "wilderness".
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at January 23, 2015 08:56 AM (FA3Z7)
Posted by: RWC - Showerin'? Ain't nobody got no time for dat! at January 23, 2015 08:57 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 08:53 AM (dFi94)
Grammie Winger Unchained!
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 08:57 AM (mx5oN)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2015 08:58 AM (v5UtH)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2015 08:58 AM (v5UtH)
54 Better than this...
http://bit.ly/1ClFNrQ
Indeed.
Anybody have the stomach to sit through the YouTube 'stars' interview of Il Dicke?
Hellz no. But I did see in the Daily Mail that some green-lipsticked skank called Michelle his "first wife".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 23, 2015 08:59 AM (JtwS4)
Bitch. I'll scratch your eyes out!
Posted by: Cryin' John Boner at January 23, 2015 08:59 AM (XweGt)
Well the "recruiting pitch for dummies" summarized version is:
Convert and get to rape, pillage, and gain power....orbehind door #2....be beheaded.
It makes Glengarry Glen Rose look like campfire girls.
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:00 AM (/4AZU)
were livid about a clause in the bill that required a woman to have
reported sexual assault to police in order to be eligible for the
procedure.
____________________________
Past experience with Democrats teaches that they will ruthlessly exploit any loophole that is written into a law. So if a law banning late-term abortions contains an exception for rape, every woman desiring a late-term abortion will be counseled (at Planned Parenthood, the local free clinic, or in the private office of the lefty abortion doctor) to claim that she has been raped.
They'll even make up a form: check "yes" here if you're seeking this late-term abortion because you were raped. It will be like the "yes" box on welfare and voting applications that ask if the applicant is a U.S. citizen, which illegal aliens are routinely instructed to check. Illegals are told that nobody will bother to verify their citizenship status, which is true. Similarly, nobody will check if the woman was actually raped, because (without a police report), there is no way to verify this.
That is why the requirement for a police report was included. Without it, the exception would quickly swallow the rule.
These Republican women who objected are either ignorant of how the left operates, or they are in favor of late-term abortions.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 23, 2015 09:01 AM (2ruKl)
Well sure, it's called the "wilderness".
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at January 23, 2015 08:56 AM (FA3Z7)
There's a lot of Christian precedence for that.
Why should I vote Republican when they act like Democrats? Not only on this, but on a myriad of issues.
Sanctity of life was the one thread that kept me tethered to the GOP. They severed that tie. I owe them nothing.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 09:01 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 23, 2015 09:01 AM (/p+Br)
Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at January 23, 2015 09:01 AM (PFy0L)
Holy crap I just saw a clip of that green lipped YouTube star swimming in a tub of milk and fruit loops. How in the hell does that get you any creditability? I'm starting to think that Idiocracy did not go far enough in predicting how stupid this country will become.
Posted by: freaked at January 23, 2015 09:01 AM (JdEZJ)
Hope all is well and may you all have a fruitful day!
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:01 AM (b8yQU)
Look up 0bama inhalator on youtube. That's all you need to know about Choom's speaking skills. I don't know why people think he's a good speaker.
Posted by: Titanium at January 23, 2015 09:02 AM (VhPjL)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2015 09:02 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:02 AM (/4AZU)
Won't get fooled again -- Lead Balloons.
There is a sucker born every minute -- PT Barnum
and a Heinlein quote about fleecing the mark repeatedly if it's done properly, like shearing sheep.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2015 09:02 AM (xTFxy)
Noam too.
It wasn't just Ellmers.
20 weeks = 5+ friggin months
Over five months.
I thought conservative women were the smart ones.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:02 AM (IXrOn)
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 09:02 AM (mx5oN)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 09:02 AM (dFi94)
And the dems will then get the added benefit of claiming that the "rape culture" really exists because of that data, and use it as justification to pull more star-chamber antics against men.
Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at January 23, 2015 09:03 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2015 09:04 AM (v5UtH)
Posted by: rickl at January 23, 2015 09:04 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Cryin' John Boner at January 23, 2015 09:05 AM (XweGt)
Good I hope the socons leave the GOP.
Your hate and bigotry has cost the once grand old party the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections.
The GOP will be better off without the agents of hate.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:05 AM (b8yQU)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 23, 2015 09:05 AM (9BRsg)
Bergdahl aided the opfor by giving up ambush drill doctrine, and quick response protocols...
He should have been old yeller'd
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:06 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 23, 2015 09:07 AM (JtwS4)
Good you socons should go start the new version of the Dixiecrats.
Once you are gone, the GOP can enter the 21st century.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:07 AM (b8yQU)
According to a Taliban officer named Haji Nadeem, Bergdahl helped train Taliban forces in infantry tactics and the making of bombs. So there's that.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 23, 2015 09:07 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: PajamaMan
This is one of the funniest things I've ever read.
Posted by: Obamacare at January 23, 2015 09:07 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2015 09:08 AM (v5UtH)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2015 09:08 AM (v5UtH)
The hate has consumed them.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:08 AM (b8yQU)
If this doesn't push negotiating with Canada over Keystone, nothing will.
OPEC and Obama are trying to strangle us to death.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:08 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 23, 2015 09:08 AM (YY1Iu)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:00 AM (/4AZU)
Put. That 10 year old girl. Down.
Rape's for beheaders only.
You think I'm fucking with you? I am not fucking with you. I'm here from Syria. I'm here from Abdul and Aziz. And I'm here on a mission of terror. Your name's Mohammed? You call yourself a terrorist you son of a bitch?...
You hear me you fucking faggots?
A-B-C.
A-Always, B-Be, C-Cutting heads off.
Always be cutting heads off.
ALWAYS BE CUTTING HEADS OFF.
Posted by: Glengarry Dune ISIS at January 23, 2015 09:09 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: The Agents of Hate (AOH) at January 23, 2015 09:09 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 23, 2015 09:09 AM (9BRsg)
Romney is just one of many establishment Republicans that believe in AGW,or purport too.
Posted by: steevy
10 prn "Romney didn't say that!"
20 prn "Well, he said something like that but he was misquoted."
30 prn "OK, that was a verbatim quote, but the Democrats had the majority..".
40 Goto 10
'Romneybot2016.bas
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 09:10 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:10 AM (b8yQU)
Yector you stupid fuck how are you?
They cleaning the rest-stop shitter early today?
Don't worry I hear Ralph is faster than Jim....your glory hole will only be closed for 25 minutes.
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:10 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Bill and Hilary at January 23, 2015 09:10 AM (Spluw)
In fact, just bowing is dangerous. No counterweights on a walker.
Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2015 09:11 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 23, 2015 09:09 AM (9BRsg)
Ya, I'd like to see a list as well.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 09:11 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 23, 2015 09:12 AM (YY1Iu)
Salman immediately named his half-brother, Muqrin bin Abdulaziz, crown prince. At age 79 and reportedly suffering from dementia, Salman is clearly a caretaker. Muqrin, at age 71, will likely be the last of the 35 children sired by King Abdulaziz bin Saud, the founder of modern Saudi Arabia, to rule. But Muqrin's claim to the the throne is shaky, and there may be pushback from some of the hundreds of younger princes of the next generation. h/t americanthinker
this will not end well
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:12 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:12 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2015 09:12 AM (v5UtH)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at January 23, 2015 09:12 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at January 23, 2015 09:13 AM (NeFrd)
10 prn "Romney didn't say that!"
20 prn "Well, he said something like that but he was misquoted."
30 prn "OK, that was a verbatim quote, but the Democrats had the majority..".
40 Goto 10
'Romneybot2016.bas
Now you're talking.
Posted by: Atari 800XL at January 23, 2015 09:13 AM (FFqaj)
We really need to come up with our own version of head-chopping. Though it might help if the media was brought in line with its proper duties first.
Think of it as a "target rich environment" for the hard-core reformer.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 09:13 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 23, 2015 09:13 AM (l1zOH)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 23, 2015 09:14 AM (YY1Iu)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 23, 2015 09:14 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:12 AM
Since Choom Boy is obviously thoroughly sick of the hard work of Presidentin', but loves him some pomp, swagger and Free Shit, this would be the ideal next gig for him.
He's already got the religious stuff and brutality down pat.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 23, 2015 09:15 AM (yAC3X)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:15 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:15 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 09:16 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: steevy
If you aren't a cool kid, you don't get to ride in a private jet to the global coolingwarmingchangedisruptioncrisisdujour conference. Where we will discuss the deletirious effects of jet aircraft emissions.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:16 AM (Spluw)
Obama -- voodoo child
USA fundamentally transformed into Zimbabwe and Haiti. USA transformed into a cashless society like Bill Gates wants (Zimbabwe) and ganja be free mon, like everywhere.
You might have to stand in line at the market for grocery items however, like Venezuela.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2015 09:16 AM (xTFxy)
Dude I was saying hello and wishing you a good morning
Don't you have manners?
Can't you drop your hate for one brief moment and be a human?
Socons are such nasty people.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:17 AM (b8yQU)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2015 09:17 AM (v5UtH)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 23, 2015 09:18 AM (7ObY1)
Islam has much in common with social conservatism.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:18 AM (b8yQU)
it appears to be battery acid, but it is acid.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:18 AM (Spluw)
Erick Erickson quoting Ace, or vice versa?
The universe has changed.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:18 AM (IXrOn)
Do you think women who are raped should be allowed to have an abortion?
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:18 AM (b8yQU)
Islam has much in common with social conservatism.
Yes. Because we both value life.
Eye roll.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 09:19 AM (dFi94)
It is somewhat delicious watching Markey, Durbin, Clair-bear and the rest of the commie-crew pissing themselves silly over watching the GOP do the them what they did to the GOP for the last 8-years.
Hey Senate Dems - elections have consequences, don't-cha-know. (Or, at least, they're supposed to.)
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 09:19 AM (zrsn3)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:19 AM (kff5f)
Tom Brady's balls engender more media outrage than ISIS toppling Yemen
Just because I'm a dick:
Houthi rebels (Shia, backed by Iran) toppled Yemen's government. ISIS is moving in to fight them.
And the US-trained Yemeni army (Obama's success story) has run away.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 23, 2015 09:19 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy!
Well then just fuck off and go back to your milk bath and green lipstick.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 23, 2015 09:19 AM (Bxnvc)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:20 AM (kff5f)
Yector I was being polite and non-judgemental...
I took great pains not to point out it was the male bathroom and you catch instead of pitch....
Now go get your shine box
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:20 AM (/4AZU)
Don't you have manners?
Can't you drop your hate for one brief moment and be a human?
Pardon me good sir, but would you mind terribly sucking this dog's dick?
That better?
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 23, 2015 09:20 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:20 AM (b8yQU)
Posted by: Michael Moore at January 23, 2015 09:21 AM (dj5Kp)
And the middle class.
Posted by: freaked at January 23, 2015 09:22 AM (JdEZJ)
I laugh that socons who hate gays are obsessed with gay sex.
You seem to have a whiff the bath house.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:22 AM (b8yQU)
First, prove that they were raped. I've got several millions dollars and a complicit media that say that they weren't.
Posted by: Bill and Hilary at January 23, 2015 09:23 AM (Spluw)
'
climate change 1st on list
then nuclear war.
hot air
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:23 AM (nqBYe)
There'll come a time when I split with most of you on this ... like most everything else. I'm FOR the Morning After Pill, FOR abortion after rape, and FOR early abortion in a wide variety of circumstances.
But 20 weeks is long damn enough time to make up your mind ... and the kid is surely human by then. People that don't believe that, frankly, are people I will not associate with - let alone vote for.
This is the modern GOP folks. Time to find another tent.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 23, 2015 09:24 AM (j8aRL)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:24 AM (kff5f)
Yeah...my "wife" doesn't have a prostate....speaking of which how's Leon you cuckold?
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:24 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 23, 2015 09:24 AM (3ZtZW)
at least until i finish coffee.
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:25 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Measles at January 23, 2015 09:25 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Michael Moore at January 23, 2015 09:26 AM (dj5Kp)
Posted by: Bandersnatch
To be fair:
One group is backed by Iran, the second is backed by radical Sunnis and violant mohammadism, and the third is backed by us.
Take note of what survives and what fades. If you were backed by JEF, would you stand and fight, or turn your coat?
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:26 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 23, 2015 09:26 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:26 AM (kff5f)
Mickey's little known brother Measles goes beserk?
Posted by: freaked at January 23, 2015 09:26 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2015 09:26 AM (v5UtH)
'
climate change 1st on list
then nuclear war.
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:23 AM (nqBYe)
*facepalm*
Posted by: rickl at January 23, 2015 09:27 AM (zoehZ)
It's not about "purity" or any litmus test or whatnot. It's about finally being fed up with being told "no baby, I promise I won't do that in your mouth again" only to end up running, again, for the toilet afterward.
Now if that would ever translate to mass electoral action on behalf of the scorned. That would be something.
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 09:27 AM (zrsn3)
at least until i finish coffee.
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:25 AM (nqBYe
No, but I have a sporty little .380 that is the color of duct tape.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 23, 2015 09:27 AM (l1zOH)
Socons hate minorities.
Islam hate minorities.
Socons hate gays.
Islam hates gays.
Socons are pro rape.
Islam is pro rape.
Socons are theocrats.
Islam is theocratic.
Socons hate fun.
Islam hates fun.
What's the difference?
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:27 AM (b8yQU)
I still want to know who else Ellmers et al persuaded to drop their support. Was Mia Love one of them or not?
Posted by: Y-not on the phone
Google shows no comments from her on the issue in the last 24 hours, so silence is agreement.
Speaking of which, not even a perfunctory comment on her twitter page on yesterday's RTL march.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 09:27 AM (kdS6q)
Ace admits (on the podcast) he only watched sotu for the first 10 mins.
lol
Even 10 minutes destroys millions of brain cells. He said he knows it is his job, but just can't do it. No kidding.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:28 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 23, 2015 09:29 AM (DXzRD)
if nuclear war happens we really don't have to concern ourselves with climate or carbon credits or indulgences.
I note 1,7000 climate enthusiasts flew carbon emitting jets to a summit to voice their concerns ,
they live by example
eh?
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:29 AM (nqBYe)
And those are the reasons why.
Loosen up your choke collar and breathe before you post.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:29 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 23, 2015 09:29 AM (Tuh4Y)
Posted by: freaked at January 23, 2015 09:29 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:30 AM (b8yQU)
Well, you're half right.
Which is an improvement for you.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:30 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: freaked at January 23, 2015 09:30 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:30 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:30 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 23, 2015 09:31 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:31 AM (nqBYe)
Hector, if it wasn't for a thousand years of Turks "raping" accommodating and surprisingly affordable Serbian women, you wouldn't even be here.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 09:32 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 09:32 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:32 AM (IXrOn)
Claudette Colbert. 1932.
Posted by: Bandersnatch "
It's not the bathing in the milk that makes me want to reach for the yak bucket. Nor the fruit loops either.
It's the noshing them up like a pig.
Milk, mixed with boob sweat and stinky butt hair and farts. It's what's for breakfast.
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 09:33 AM (6G698)
Obama ain't my leader, but he's kicking socon butt and the economy is booming.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:33 AM (b8yQU)
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:34 AM (nqBYe)
Saudi King Adullah Died
Salman immediately named his half-brother, Muqrin bin Abdulaziz,
crown prince. At age 79 and reportedly suffering from dementia, Salman
is clearly a caretaker. Muqrin, at age 71, will likely be the last of
the 35 children sired by King Abdulaziz bin Saud, the founder of modern
Saudi Arabia, to rule. But Muqrin's claim to the the throne is shaky,
and there may be pushback from some of the hundreds of younger princes
of the next generation. h/t americanthinker
this will not end well
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:12 AM (IXrOn)"
Something to keep in mind is that it is in the economic interest of both Russia and Iran for this to not end well. For both of them, the best possible outcome would be for the Ras Tanura oil terminal to be shut down indefinitely.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 23, 2015 09:34 AM (KDbAT)
Game over, man. Game over.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2015 09:34 AM (xTFxy)
No don't think so never saw her at the reunions....nor the "Buy an Argentinian Tranny" mags you left laying around...
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:35 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:33 AM (b8yQU)
Wow. And that ladies and gentlemen is proof that some people should never be allowed to breed.
Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at January 23, 2015 09:35 AM (WMyrX)
Why is it that every time we train any muslims they run away? Supposedly they'd have the best arms and training compared to the muslims they'd be fighting. Has there ever been any successes? The Kosovars maybe? And what was different?
Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 23, 2015 09:35 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:35 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: willow at January 23, 2015 09:35 AM (nqBYe)
Obama's YouTube interview with woman who eats Fruit Loops from a bathtub turns into PR disaster as his bid to get down with the digital kids backfires
OK, Nixon went a little overboard with the "dignity of the Office of the President" thing when he designed those fruity White House Guard uniforms, but still....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 09:36 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2015 09:36 AM (xTFxy)
Posted by: willow"
Sorry, it's not my fault! I didn't make that woman climb into the tub a turn into a batshit crazy lunatic.
And this is who the president decides is worth his time to interview with.
We have truly turned the corner into bizzaro world. I weep for my children's future.
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 09:36 AM (6G698)
That's the problem with that amendment . Whether right or wrong, it places the burden of proof on the potential rape victim and makes assumption they were not raped unless proven otherwise. Admittedly it's a catch 22 for those that want the exception but know that some people will lie.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 09:36 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 09:36 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:37 AM (/4AZU)
at the 1 hour mark, they talk about Fitbit and Jawbone products
I guess Gabe uses Fitbit and Ace uses Jawbone. I think it's Gabe's voice.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:37 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:37 AM (Spluw)
there are pro-abortion zealots and there are pro-life zealots.
the mushy middle is largely personally opposed but believe in "legal,safe and rare". they would be happy with a ban of partial birth and post 20 weeks. however a nightmare scenario for many woman -especially mothers - is pregnancy from rape. Todd Aiken notwithstanding, there were quite a few from the soviet conquest of Berlin.
Woman will choose keeping abortion legal for rape over banning partial birth each time.
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 09:38 AM (viqX2)
Russia and Iran for this to not end well. For both of them, the best
possible outcome would be for the Ras Tanura oil terminal to be shut
down indefinitely.
Come to think of it, that's likely the best possible outcome (or at least one of the very good ones) for lots of folks in North Dakota, Alberta and Houston as well.
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 09:38 AM (zrsn3)
And burn your clothes, just to be safe.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at January 23, 2015 09:38 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:38 AM (b8yQU)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 09:39 AM (zOTsN)
Sven,
your back, I see.
Where do you go when you go away?
I never go away. I am always here. I just assume another identity.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2015 09:39 AM (xTFxy)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 09:39 AM (A98Xu)
Any army that does not believe in the cause or a brotherhood with the person they are fighting next to , will always run away.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 09:40 AM (3jmxp)
I'd support the rape loophole if I can use it to avoid laws I don't like like say...taxes, ogabecare, gun laws, traffic laws....
No IRS I can't pay taxes I was rape raped by a person I won't report or prosecute...
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:41 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Bob Belcher
What burden of proof? It's a reporting requirement. The police should investigate, and forward cases that they deem that are credible. DAs then use their discretion in prosecution.
If I claim to be Chief heaving Bull so that i can get a sweet, sweet job, I should be able to establish proof. that's a burden of proof.
If I make a claim on auto insurance that I was in an accident, I'm supposed to report the accident. Hell, I'm supposed to report it if I hit a deer and decide NOT to make an insurance claim.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 09:27 AM (zrsn3)"
The electoral action would not even have to be that massive. If 5% voted for a third party, that would change the outcome of an awful lot of races.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (KDbAT)
Also, I can out-Wahabbi any of those Wahabbi guys.
Posted by: Jeb Bush at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (zOTsN)
How about when the US is only sacrificing 1500-babies every day to Molech (opposed to the 3000 we're currently sacrificing) I can start having a "cup half full" attitude. Deal?
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 09:43 AM (IXrOn)
You mean the burden of proof lies on the one asserting a crime took place, and not on the alleged perpetrator? Who'd have thunk?
That is *exactly* the point. Words cannot convey how much I abhor rape and those who commit it. Nevertheless, we're talking about taking an innocent life here (that baby didn't rape you).
When someone commits heinous murder we may not put them to death. We certainly don't do so on one person's say-so. They are granted a jury trial, at least 2 appeals (sometimes more) and usually a great deal of time in which to try to get their conviction overturned outside of appeal (see: Project, Innocence).
For babies "of rape" (something on the order of 1.5% of abortions, and I would assume an even lower percentage of all pregnancies), they receive no due process and right now the only person who has any input is the woman carrying the child (you don't get the honorific "mother" if you want to commit infanticide).
So, no, I do not think it is a particularly difficult hurdle, in light of the magnitude of the action, to require women to report when they are raped if they're going to want to abort the child half-way through the pregnancy.
Because, remember also, the reporting requirement is *only* for the *exception* to the ban after 20 weeks. Up to week 19 & 6 days, there is no reporting requirement, because elective abortion still applies.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:43 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 09:43 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:43 AM (b8yQU)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 09:44 AM (zOTsN)
---
I'm not sure I follow. The law generally does place the burden of proof on someone who wants to claim an exemption to a requirement. It isn't unusual for the law to require that before someone claims a particular status (say, wounded vet or something), that claim must be supported.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 23, 2015 09:44 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: avi
And the blitz on London caused people to dig shelters in their gardens.Todd Aiken was an idiot and a liar. You're citing the aftermath of an invading army entering a defended city. During a world war.
Wanna shovel?
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:44 AM (Spluw)
Government spent $432,000 studying the arousal of gay men when using Grindr
Columbia University was gifted $432,000 from The National Institutes of Health (NIH)
DailyMail
Good thing the GOP slashed the NIH budget to the essential core, or just imagine what might be going on.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 09:44 AM (kdS6q)
Why is that the default argument on this issue is something like: "if a GOPe betrays us on this issue we must primary them and if that fails we must vote the Prog in to teach them a lesson."?
Conservatives do not have a home in the Republican party. Would it not be better to vote for a third party that shares your values? The Prog may still win but at least you could face yourself in the mirror on Wednesday.
I'm already gone. I'm going to help the Constitution Party in it's fight for ballot access here in Alabama. It just seems like a more useful way to spend my time than complaining about a Party that I know doesn't share my values and will, without fail, sell out or roll-over.
Posted by: Rich at January 23, 2015 09:45 AM (J2AJ8)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 23, 2015 09:45 AM (GqEzX)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 09:45 AM (MYCIw)
Let me tell you a thing or two about Wahabbism...
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 23, 2015 09:45 AM (PFy0L)
Anyone know when Nat'l Upskirt Day is?
Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at January 23, 2015 09:45 AM (Bxnvc)
Ida, er thanks for the visual..
retches.
Yeah. I haven't seen the video in question and now I'm certain that I don't want to.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 23, 2015 09:45 AM (JtwS4)
Are you serious. Comparing rape to an auto accident. Many women have not reported a rape for any number of reasons. A lot of the non reported cases involve family members.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 09:46 AM (3jmxp)
If abortions are banned, that will mean more people on welfare and more of the minorities you hate.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:46 AM (b8yQU)
Wanna shovel?
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:44 AM (Spluw)
non-sequitor
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 09:46 AM (viqX2)
Like I say on twitter WRT "rape culture"
I believe rapists should be killed, please quit trying to redefine it to awkward campus sex....
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:46 AM (/4AZU)
And guess who covers up those rapes so that the women can go right back to being abused? Abortion clinics. Abortion is a rapist's best friend. It destroys the evidence.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 09:47 AM (MYCIw)
Why do you support rape?
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:47 AM (b8yQU)
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 09:36 AM (6G69
The Texans! The Texans are coming!
Posted by: Pippin at January 23, 2015 09:48 AM (vgIRn)
You support Muslim rape Christians.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy!
Hector, Serbian women preferring manly Turks to the ignorant, unhygienic and more than a little effeminate Serbian men around them isn't "rape".
It's dating up.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 09:48 AM (kdS6q)
Exactly.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:48 AM (kff5f)
So no rape ever has gone unreported. Is that what you're saying? By the way do you think Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broderick?
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 09:49 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 09:42 AM (MYCIw)
no they have been failing at incrementalism, because zealots are incapable of incrementalism and also scare many voters.
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 09:49 AM (viqX2)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 09:49 AM (zOTsN)
OK, so I'm going to comment on something posted at Insta: Chandler the worst thing about rewatching friends in 2015 (link in sig). Ihave been bopping through old friends episodes since they put it on netflix, skipping seasons and plotsthat irritated me, and I have to say I disagree. There are several things that don't hold up, I mean, Chandler isn't really all that funny true (particularly the first season is kind of painful), but I found him much more enjoyable in later seasons. Probably because he acts like an actual adult.Ross is the one who doesn't hold up for me. He's like a cartoon.
Anyway, as you were
Posted by: Lea hates Peppa Pig but will watch it for freedom (not really) at January 23, 2015 09:49 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:49 AM (Spluw)
Right we should leave a loophole allowing the murder of a viable w/care outside the womb life for a "crime" unreported that at best if true leaves an incestuous rapist free....
Yeah you sold me Bob...makes perfect sense.
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:50 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 09:50 AM (A98Xu)
What? I gotta throw a flag on that one- that sentiment is no where in any of her statements. That's not even a strawman. That's just pure disingenuousness.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:50 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Billl and Hilary at January 23, 2015 09:51 AM (Spluw)
You support rewarding rape by forcing women to carry a rapist's child.
Your pro rape mindset is evil.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:51 AM (b8yQU)
"A subtler form of corruption is that those who use kafkatraps in order to manipulate others are prone to fall into them themselves. Becoming unable to see out of the traps, their ability to communicate with and engage anyone who has not fallen in becomes progressively more damaged. At the extreme, such causes frequently become epistemically closed, with a jargon and discourse so tightly wrapped around the logical fallacies in the kafkatraps that their doctrine is largely unintelligible to outsiders."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 23, 2015 09:51 AM (028dR)
"And guess who covers up those rapes so that the women can go right back to being abused? Abortion clinics. Abortion is a rapist's best friend. It destroys the evidence. "
Wow. Iwould sayparticularly for underaged girls who are being abused in the home.
Posted by: Lea hates Peppa Pig but will watch it for freedom (not really) at January 23, 2015 09:51 AM (lIU4e)
Don't even talk to me about rape and abortion. Just. Don't.
Suffice it to say that some doctors don't even give a woman the option of keeping the baby. If you report as a rape victim, you might get a little pill without your knowledge or consent. They might even call it a pain reliever.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 23, 2015 09:51 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 09:51 AM (zrsn3)
What does that have to do with the non reporting bar in the rape exception amendment. The person still was raped.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 09:52 AM (3jmxp)
Quite if there is this massive wave of incest it needs scoured from the body politic by hellfire.
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 09:52 AM (/4AZU)
Wow, how far you've fallen, O!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 23, 2015 09:52 AM (ABcz/)
Looks like we have a winner ... AllenG. Mr. Allen G - Please step up and collect your prize.
He's right ... they squashed the bill to give women twenty weeks to decide if their pregnancy was because of a rape they didn't want to report.
I get it ... some chics are indecisive. Was I raped ? I dunno. Kill my baby ? Hell Yeah !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 23, 2015 09:52 AM (j8aRL)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 09:52 AM (zOTsN)
Uh...no. I'm not sure where the hell you got that idea. I'm saying abortion protects the rapist and that rape reporting laws actually give the woman MORE protection from abuse.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 09:53 AM (MYCIw)
Your pro rape mindset is evil.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:53 AM (b8yQU)
Also why the GOP is a buncha p*ssies, but OK its an answer
Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 23, 2015 09:53 AM (3ZtZW)
Fuck off you ignorant slime. I could eat a box of alphabet cereal and crap a more cognitive post than you've ever written .
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 09:54 AM (3jmxp)
Something to keep in mind is that it is in the economic interest of both
Russia and Iran for this to not end well. For both of them, the best
possible outcome would be for the Ras Tanura oil terminal to be shut
down indefinitely.
Come to think of it, that's likely the
best possible outcome (or at least one of the very good ones) for lots
of folks in North Dakota, Alberta and Houston as well.
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 09:38 AM (zrsn3)"
Despite the considerable amount of pain, that would probably be in the long term best interest of the world.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 23, 2015 09:54 AM (KDbAT)
__________________________
If a girl/woman has been raped, she almost always knows it (the exception being in rare cases where the rape took place while the woman was unconscious, as in the recent Vanderbilt case).
If the woman who has been raped does not want to report the rape to the police, for whatever reason, she is still free to get an abortion in the U.S. if the rape resulted in pregnancy (which it rarely does). Why wait until the sixth month of pregnancy to make up your mind about terminating the pregnancy? Are we supposed to believe she didn't realize she was pregnant? She was raped, then didn't notice for five months that she wasn't having a menstrual period?
Also, if a woman has been raped, wouldn't it make sense to get a physical examination soon after? Even if she doesn't want to make a police report, you'd think she might want to know if she had been infected with an STD, or was pregnant. There are lots of free clinics that will do a gynecological exam at low cost, or no cost, so the expense can't really be blamed.
There really isn't a good reason for waiting until the six month (or later) mark.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 23, 2015 09:54 AM (2ruKl)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:54 AM (b8yQU)
not be better to vote for a third party that shares your values? The
Prog may still win but at least you could face yourself in the mirror on
Wednesday.
...
Posted by: Rich"
The Republican party is fully complicit in the Democrat party agenda. Their job is to split the conservative vote to insure Democrats win, or failing that to take the office themselves and to willingly allow Democrats to wield power while in office, all the while spewing fake conservative talking points when on camera, and supporting statism when off camera.
Republicans will never allow a conservative to actually do anything in office, they will never change.
The sooner we understand this and remove all public support from the Republicans the better. They are not stupid and incompetent, they are not 'doing a bad job', they are doing exactly what they intend to do; grow the power of the state and destroy individual liberty.
Fuck them.
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 09:54 AM (6G698)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 23, 2015 09:55 AM (7ObY1)
Nothing like lipstick around your dipstick.
--Marvin the Martian
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2015 09:55 AM (zESFM)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 09:55 AM (zOTsN)
That's my old fashioned take on it.
Men who support baby killing sicken me.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 09:55 AM (A98Xu)
No. The person *says* they were raped.
Believe it or not, little things like reporting requirements cut way down on false claims. It's way different if you have to tell the cops "I was raped," than just letting the Dr. check a box on a form.
Without the reporting requirement, the law is completely toothless. Planned Parenthood just instructs women to tell the doctor the were raped, easy peasy.
However, with the reporting requirement, that changes- especially on the PP side (who, yes, actively cover up rape- especially incestuous rape). If they have to start verifying that someone at least reported a rape, that makes that whole "actively cover up" thing much more difficult.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:55 AM (kff5f)
Anyhow, the sound of the rain is soothing.
Enjoy the bird cam.
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2015 09:55 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Joanne at January 23, 2015 09:55 AM (indTK)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 09:56 AM (mx5oN)
So the purpose of rape is impregnation.
*falls over backward in chair*
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at January 23, 2015 09:56 AM (SCcgT)
Hey, Renee give us a twirl,
show us your panties, prove you're a girl.
Let's just let that skirt unfurl,
no need to split or expose any curl.
All are wondering over the world,
Are you a Princess or still an Earl.
Needs work?
Posted by: Eromero at January 23, 2015 09:57 AM (go5uR)
And? What is the possible negative of bringing the rapist to justice? Honestly though, this is so fucking stupid. Do you know how many women are raped and then decide at 22 weeks to kill their babies? I'm going with 2 ever in the history of time. It's not something that happens. But the Party of Stupid has decided to turn a bill about NOT KILLING VIABLE CHILDREN into this idiotic debate because, zomg we have to be able to kill the baby if the woman was raped, because compassion!
Abortions because of rape already happen in early pregnancy. This is all a bunch of navel gazing idiocy.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 09:57 AM (MYCIw)
Yes that's unfortunate but just as some guilty may go free in order to not convict the innocent, right or wrong , that's the mindset of those that support the rape exception.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 09:57 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 09:58 AM (kff5f)
After which I shall go outside and roll, naked, in the snow.
Think the NJ Fat Man, glowing neon red from a 130 degree Sauna!, rolling in the snow, as steam rises up into the air.
There will be video!
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2015 09:58 AM (xTFxy)
Posted by: Bob Belcher
What you seek is disconnecting one aspect from another. We don't, or shouldn't encourage activities in shadows. We should encourage rape victims to report such crimes, because this is of benefit to both the victims and society.
We encourage and (penalize) the reporting/false reporting of insurance claims because these have positive and negative effects on society.
We have a stake in not destroying the meaning of the word "rape' in the case of abortion. Rape victims are not helped by trivializing a violent crime. And there's a reason why reporting laws already exist for teachers, doctors and social workers.
Please note that I'm stating that abortion should be available for victims. They had no choice. I believe that an innocent life is going to be destroyed, but women should not be forced to carry to term under such circumstances. Some have chosen to do so, and that leaves me silent and humbled.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 09:58 AM (Spluw)
What's the female equivalent? A Rabbit and a towel?
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 09:58 AM (mx5oN)
I'm out for today.
Thanks for reminding me how evil the tea party.
I'm out for today.
The mindset is evil here.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 23, 2015 09:59 AM (b8yQU)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 23, 2015 09:58 AM (mx5oN)
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Yes.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 09:59 AM (A98Xu)
Hairdresser creates invisible skullcap made from hair samples so Jewish men can cover their head without fear of being attacked following rise in anti-Semitism
Daily Mail
"Engage Jew cloaking device!"
*kssssshing*
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2015 09:59 AM (kdS6q)
A young girl getting pregnant by a grown man. Abortion does destroy the evidence and we know abortion clinics do not report the rapist
If they are really concerned about rape, they would report. They don't. It's all a lie
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 09:59 AM (zOTsN)
The guy brings zero to the table.
No wit.
No intelligence.
No sanity.
Nothing but hate.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 23, 2015 09:59 AM (KBvAm)
Yea she does look pissed. That cool though and a good picture. I sent it to the Mrs cause she likes birds.
We have owls in woods behind us here in Mid GA.
Posted by: freaked at January 23, 2015 10:00 AM (JdEZJ)
If we can kill viable w/care outside the womb kids can I get a ruling on bagging 25 year old not viable without govt aid hipster douchebags?
Just asking for clarity.
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 10:00 AM (/4AZU)
According to a movie I once saw, appears that a bathtub faucet running full-blast with warm/hot water does the trick quite nicely.
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 10:00 AM (zrsn3)
Exactly, just like the health exception so huge that literally anyone can qualify for if the abortionist says she's a bit depressed.
It's all bullshit. Taking steps to avoid these completely obvious an continually exploited loopholes is not hating women.
God, people are so fucking stupid.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:01 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: NYT, NPR, and the dems in the Senate at January 23, 2015 10:01 AM (Spluw)
Great rant. Five friggin' stars. Golf clap.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 23, 2015 10:02 AM (j8aRL)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 10:03 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:01 AM (MYCIw)
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^^THIS^^
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 10:03 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2015 10:03 AM (zESFM)
Your hate and bigotry has cost the once grand old party the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections.
The GOP will be better off without the agents of hate.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy!
Hmmm, agents of hate and bigotry. Care to expand on that or are you just doing a drive-by? All of the hate and bigotry you speak of can be found in the halls of the WH and the Democratic party.
Posted by: Cheri at January 23, 2015 10:03 AM (ZFPMM)
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2015 09:55 AM (FsuaD)
Ugh, nature cams. My workplace productivity just took a big hit, I'll be eyeballing that all day. XD
Going to send that link to a friend of mine in the hospital, she loves all kinds of birds. Maybe it'll cheer her up a bit.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2015 10:04 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: 0302 at January 23, 2015 10:04 AM (N6eLE)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2015 10:04 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 10:04 AM (zOTsN)
Your hate and bigotry has cost the once grand old party the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections.
The GOP will be better off without the agents of hate.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy!"
I am not a social conservative.
I am a conservative.
I did not leave the GOP. The GOP left me.
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 10:05 AM (6G698)
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 10:05 AM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Lauren
If someone cites rape, at the very least a DNA sample should be obtained and added to the DNA datbase. That would save lives.
1. Rape is underreported. This is bad. This leads to more rapes
2. We need toc ounter this, especially by vilifying serving military officers and men in college.
3. If a woman cites rape and wants an abortion, we should take steps to NOT report or do anything that might stop other rapes.
4. Why? See line #1.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:05 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 23, 2015 09:52 AM (ABcz/)
More like a tiny step up, for a brief moment in time. He's been scraping the bottom of hell so long, I wouldn't know the difference tbh.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 10:05 AM (IXrOn)
Off-kilter washing machine.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2015 10:06 AM (zESFM)
Anyway, as you were
Posted by: Lea hates Peppa Pig but will watch it for freedom (not really) at January 23, 2015 09:49 AM (lIU4e)
I always hated the Ross character. And any other show/movie he was in after sucked too.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 10:06 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2015 10:04 AM (9LuAk)
Hope it cheers her up. I find the sound of the gentle falling rain very soothing. Last night there was a soft breeze blowing. I could just listen to the nature sounds all day. Lowers the blood pressure.
She's on two eggs, which are due to hatch around Feb. 1. Can't wait to see the little owlets.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2015 10:06 AM (FsuaD)
When you make a law that says "We're banning this, except for people who make a completely unverifiable claim that literally anyone could make" you don't have a fucking law.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:06 AM (MYCIw)
Then how about stronger enforcement legislation in that regard since this whole argument is about language in an anti abortion bill.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 10:06 AM (3jmxp)
I hope I missed a /sarc in there, or I'm about to get all AtC in here.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:07 AM (DT3rQ)
Party in it's fight for ballot access here in Alabama. It just seems
like a more useful way to spend my time than complaining about a Party
that I know doesn't share my values and will, without fail, sell out or
roll-over.
Posted by: Rich at January 23, 2015 09:45 AM (J2AJ
"That is a concrete, productive response to that salty taste in your mouth for the nth time (where n is a number which varies for each individual) after being promised that this time it will be different.
I wish that the GOP would make a greater effort to hide the contempt that they feel for us but apparently that will not happen until they feel some real pain.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 23, 2015 10:07 AM (KDbAT)
Hi Honey, how was your day ?
The usual. Killed a few kids in the womb. Is that meatloaf ? Awesome !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 23, 2015 10:07 AM (j8aRL)
Should be criminal.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2015 10:07 AM (zESFM)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 10:07 AM (zOTsN)
after over forty years of legal abortion and a MSM that might as well be a branch of PP it is not a winning issue nationally.No exceptions candidates get depicted as modern day Savanarolas and thus scaring the mushy middle into supporting abortion uber allies candidates.
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 10:08 AM (viqX2)
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I dunno - he played a pretty good jerkoff in Band of Brothers...though whether he was actually acting or not is the open question.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 23, 2015 10:09 AM (eytER)
Posted by: GMan at January 23, 2015 10:09 AM (sxq57)
Posted by: Mainah at January 23, 2015 10:09 AM (659DL)
Yep. Instead, they explicitly hide evidence in violation of mandatory reporting laws.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:10 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 10:10 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 23, 2015 10:07 AM (KDbAT)
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Yea, when the GOP screws us they should buy us drinks and use lube. Nope, we're like battered women who just can't quite quit you.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 10:10 AM (A98Xu)
Doing the same in MA - it's a far, far uphill climb. But Rev. Lively did manage 19K votes (0.9%, including my singular contribution, the only one in my voting precinct) in a very competitive election for GOV this year so there's at least some hope.
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 10:10 AM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Some sarcasm was killed in the making of that post. And a crap ton of cynicism.
And I believe it to be a fair summation of the current state of affairs. What say you?
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:10 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 23, 2015 10:09 AM (eytER)
exactly
no breadth or depth imho
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 10:11 AM (IXrOn)
Because? That would be a winner in my book.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 23, 2015 10:11 AM (xq1UY)
And that stops them getting an abortion for the first 5 months of the pregnancy without reporting a rape so they need to get it into and after the fifth month how?
Posted by: andycanuck at January 23, 2015 10:11 AM (L6/+u)
Posted by: GMan at January 23, 2015 10:09 AM (sxq57)
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That comment made my day. And it's early yet!
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 10:11 AM (A98Xu)
What fresh hell await us this day?
I just hope it's really, really fresh.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 23, 2015 10:11 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 10:12 AM (IXrOn)
The media *should* be corrected....hard
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 10:10 AM (/4AZU)
hey I cancelled Comcast. everyone on this site should.
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 10:12 AM (viqX2)
Posted by: avi
1. Who was advocating "no exceptions"?
2. What happened to the Soviets invading Berlin?
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:12 AM (Spluw)
You could put any language you want in a statute about reporting rape. Doesn't mean they would do it. They lie. We know this. They cover for child rapists. We know this too. There is no way to enforce this unless you take away the exception.
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 10:12 AM (zOTsN)
Let it out, kid. That shit will eat you alive like cancer.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 23, 2015 10:13 AM (j8aRL)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 23, 2015 10:13 AM (lG2E3)
Haha, thanks. I'm usually nice when debating this shit, but y'all get the pleasure of seeing how I *really* feel.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:13 AM (MYCIw)
2. What happened to the Soviets invading Berlin?
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:12 AM (Spluw)
the soviets kicked ass and raped every frailer they could find-many times.
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 10:14 AM (viqX2)
lauren
it's okay, let it all hang out.
We really, really mean that
Posted by: Morons at January 23, 2015 10:15 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 10:15 AM (viqX2)
Today I have something I found to share:
http://iso.500px.com/best-of-2014-top-10-nude-photos-nsfw/
Posted by: scottst at January 23, 2015 10:16 AM (Ltygl)
Many teens hide their pregnancy for a long time.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 10:16 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 23, 2015 10:16 AM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:16 AM (MYCIw)
then the issue would revert to the states as per the Constitution.
And people could actually vote on abortion directly.
In that case, I suspect no one would be totally happy with the outcome, but-
it would be fair and it would be Constitutional.
That's about as good as it gets.
But, nooooooo.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 23, 2015 10:16 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: avi
Yeah, about that. You think that access to abortion clinics in the US has anything to do with an invading army terrorizing a civilian population, during a world war, after a month long siege that resulted in about 300,000 casualties?
And someone gave me grief about the insurance claim analogy.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:17 AM (Spluw)
I believe it to be pathetically accurate, the pathetic part being no fault of yours.
I keep screaming "CULTURE FIRST, LAWS LATER". My voice is hoarse and my hands and eyes are tired from practicing as I preach (I'd give details, but these are not safe days to be ID'd online). It damn well feels like I'm pointing a sponge at a tsunami while everyone else is debating whether killing or just hobbling the economy would change the water levels.
My soul hurts. I'm tired of this world. But go on I must.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:17 AM (DT3rQ)
Take heart, peeps. Look around here. See how many have figured this shit out ? Now, spread the word ...
... and stock on food, guns, ammo, water, fish antibiotics, etc... Just in case.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 23, 2015 10:19 AM (j8aRL)
Posted by: Towel Rabbit Front of Judeah at January 23, 2015 10:20 AM (6CTxJ)
Posted by: Brother Cavil
I'm baffled by the chicken or egg nature of culture versus law. if a law is passed, it is sometimes ignored, ridiculed and it is possible to discard it.
We are seeing many laws where what follows from it has deep cultural effects. Anyone who has been fired about a facebook post can attest to this. That guy from Mozilla.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:20 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:17 AM (DT3rQ)
Moved and seconded.
Gotta get the kiddos into a good school, and then I can disappear.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 23, 2015 10:20 AM (vgIRn)
everyone else is debating whether killing or just hobbling the economy
would change the water levels.
A very good friend of mine used the same sort of analogy right after his wife of 20-years and mother of his 4-children decided she was "checking-out" of their marriage and filed for "no-fault" divorce and half of everything he earns for the next 10-15 years (thanks, Massachusetts). Reminds me every day, no matter how crappy life appears, how truly Blessed I am.
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 10:20 AM (zrsn3)
Planned parenthood covers for the rapist. It doesn't inform the family, and once the girl has aborted the baby they don't provide any counseling to her
That is, suboptimal. I am being sarcastic. Clearly the girl needs family and options and perhaps counseling. And all those are denied to her. By planned parenthood. Is a 14 year old really ready to handle all that alone? No. No she isn't
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 10:20 AM (zOTsN)
I think that's how most of us feel these days. We're standing in the gap during interesting times.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:20 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Rich at January 23, 2015 10:21 AM (J2AJ8)
I keep screaming "CULTURE FIRST, LAWS LATER". My voice is hoarse
and my hands and eyes are tired from practicing as I preach (I'd give
details, but these are not safe days to be ID'd online). It damn well
feels like I'm pointing a sponge at a tsunami while everyone else is
debating whether killing or just hobbling the economy would change the
water levels.
My soul hurts. I'm tired of this world. But go on I must.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:17 AM (DT3rQ)
Amen. Some days, it is really hard to leave the house, let alone get out of bed. I am weary of what feels like endless evil, and the few bright points in the darkness just make me all the angrier at the darkness. I'd like the Apocalypse sooner rather than later, but it isn't up to me when the Lord returns, so... trudging onwards, I guess.
One day at a time... I think the Book of Hosea will make for good reading today.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2015 10:22 AM (9LuAk)
Culture first, laws later.
Yes.
A lot of empty, pathetic screwing going on. Like the skanks in Sex in the City portrayed. Got to have a means to get rid of a baby conceived by your stupid choices.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 10:22 AM (A98Xu)
And someone gave me grief about the insurance claim analogy.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:17 AM (Spluw)
another non- sequitor.
but there are still morons out there who deny that rape can cause pregnancies.
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 10:23 AM (viqX2)
What differrence, at this point, does it make?11/1/!/1!/!!?/1??/
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 23, 2015 10:23 AM (HSmrB)
No. There was literally one moron. That's it.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:23 AM (MYCIw)
I dunno - he played a pretty good jerkoff in Band of Brothers
__________
Really? I may have to check out some clips to see. He seemed mentally ill for half of the run of friends.
Posted by: Lea hates Peppa Pig but will watch it for freedom (not really) at January 23, 2015 10:25 AM (lIU4e)
Preach it, Brother Cavil.
Meanwhile, God still has me on hold. But the background music is awesome.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 23, 2015 10:26 AM (0HooB)
Clinic think President Obama should contiue his oil policy bvecause gas is about $2 a gallon. Under Bush it was close to $5 a gallon because Bush did everything possible to hurt persons of color and persons of some color for the benefit of persons with no color. We love you and thank you for solving another Bush problem.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 23, 2015 10:26 AM (Sd++4)
I know parental consent legislation is on going in many states. The hated Romney was and is one of its strongest advocates. I'd rather we fight for that as opposed to the internal fight we are having now on an electoral no win amendment. You have to survive to fight another day.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 23, 2015 10:26 AM (3jmxp)
I've been arguing for years that we need a "Tool of the Trade" exemption for various gun control laws so I can heft around a machine gun and say I need it for exterminatin'.
Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 23, 2015 10:26 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 23, 2015 10:26 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: avi
First you bitched about people who supposedly advocated no exceptions.
Now you're dialing it up by claiming that some people deny that there is a possibility that a rape can result in conception?
I can cite one; he got his ass handed to him by the voters in Missouri, while voting for Romney.
Prove that anyone here said that.
Speaking of non sequitors, Soviets attacking Berlin would be a great example.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:26 AM (Spluw)
hey I cancelled Comcast. everyone on this site should.
_____________
I haven't had cable for years.
Posted by: Lea hates Peppa Pig but will watch it for freedom (not really) at January 23, 2015 10:26 AM (lIU4e)
I'm not sure I hear it anymore.
I hate this life. But it's all I have for now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:28 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 10:20 AM (zrsn3)
Same.
A friend of my hubby's told him he's splitting from his wife, and they still have two young boys at home (avg 10yrsold).
Sad as all hell. He's giving the wife his house (luckily he can afford to buy another, which he plans to buy near enough to see his boys any time). The odd thing is, my husband said his wife still expects him to come around and "fix things." They supposedly are splitting "amicably."
Treasure what you have.
Suns out, time to go outside.
Get out and do stuff people. Turn the frown upside down.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 23, 2015 10:28 AM (IXrOn)
I agree, but it has to be handled carefully. While it is killing one person for the crime of another, it's also done to spare a wholly innocent, victimized person from further trauma. Thank goodness that pregnancy from forcible rape is extremely rare
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at January 23, 2015 10:30 AM (9ysE1)
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 23, 2015 10:30 AM (ZALPg)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:30 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 23, 2015 10:31 AM (028dR)
Posted by: LadyS at January 23, 2015 10:31 AM (5dip8)
the Trade" exemption for various gun control laws so I can heft around a
machine gun and say I need it for exterminatin'.
Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop"
I'd like to know how they get away with banning adjustable stocks and pistol grips here in NY. I have a disability that causes me great trouble to hold my sporting rifle with the fixed stock and no pistol grip.
Haven't they heard of the ADA?
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 10:32 AM (6G698)
/steam blows out of ears
So it's allowable to kill a fully innocent person to keep from...
I can't. I can't even finish the sentence.
STOP. GIVING. EVIL. EXCUSES.
Any justification of that just opens the door to the next step, and the next, and the next, and then the abyss.
STOP. GIVING. EVIL. EXCUSES.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:32 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 10:33 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: toby928
It is morally defensible, in that a woman has a right to choose. By deifinition, she was denied that right. She may not be physically capable of carrying a child to term. And it may very well result in her being forced into some sort of bizarre relationship with the rapist (child support, visitation, communication). This has actually happened.
Does it result in the destruction of a life? yes.
And this is why abortion advocates loathe the topic. All of the other reasons pale into insignificance, and result in the other person involved in the consensual activity becoming a second-class citizen, if that.
Worse, to protect their lie, they have to de-humanize the lives of children being borne by women who wish to carry them. If they are attacked, and that child dies,they are told that their child is not a child. Their choice does not matter.
The only thing that matters is abortion. That's ugly, and that's why they hate to talk about it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:33 AM (Spluw)
Thanks. I'm a lot more boring in person and would probably disappoint in a thousand ways, but I appreciate the sentiment.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:33 AM (DT3rQ)
I know, right?
Actually, I think some of it might have to do with the timing of the testing for genetic disorders or birth defects.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 23, 2015 10:34 AM (ABcz/)
I hate this life. But it's all I have for now.
It'd be fun to compare notes, but mostly in a blackly humorous way. And it would probably just end with a ferocious hangover, as it should.
I'm not real fond of the shitty hand I received either, but I guess it beats the alternative. But not by much.
My question for The Big Guy: How much suffering and bullshit is enough?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 23, 2015 10:34 AM (0HooB)
Suns out, time to go outside.
Get out and do stuff people. Turn the frown upside down.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Exactly. Just found out my co-worker and good friend has prostate cancer that metastisized throughout his bones. He was given a 6 month prognosis and started chemo yesterday. Through his pain I have changed my perspective. It can all change so damn fast.
Posted by: Cheri at January 23, 2015 10:34 AM (ZFPMM)
We all might do well to have a gratitude journal or even a blog equivalent, like a daily thread for nice shit. This time of year is hell on a lot of people, no matter what the political climate is. Take care of yourselves, dear morons.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at January 23, 2015 10:34 AM (9ysE1)
I can cite one; he got his ass handed to him by the voters in Missouri, while voting for Romney.
Prove that anyone here said that.
Speaking of non sequitors, Soviets attacking Berlin would be a great example.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:26 AM (Spluw)
there were many people on this site et al that defended Aikens idiocy often with pseudoscience from China.
as to the soviets in Berlin, their rapes resulted in many pregnancies . was that too complicated for you?
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 10:34 AM (viqX2)
Drudge
By young immigrants they mean illegal aliens.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 23, 2015 10:35 AM (XzRw1)
I've taken plenty of shit for this before, but I still think the
19th Amendment has had significant negative unintended consequences.
Posted by: Insomniac
Going to partly agree with you here: universal suffrage (resulting in at best representative democracy) has been very destructive to this country (once a representative republic).
I'd suggest that instead of simply disenfranchising based on gender (or whatever physical characteristics) that the right to vote be based other characteristics. Like, being landowners or being able to pass some basic civics test (such as being able to correctly name you local county executive, town mayor, and the President). Our system was originally set up to only allow voting by people who had skin in the game, and that group was typically composed of people who had their proverbial stuff more together.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 23, 2015 10:35 AM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 10:36 AM (/4AZU)
Lizzy, that's part of it, but years ago Tiller admitted that the vast majority of his late term patients were just teenagers who hid their pregnancies until they became obvious to their parents.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:36 AM (MYCIw)
equivalent, like a daily thread for nice shit. This time of year is
hell on a lot of people, no matter what the political climate is.
Excellent idea. The lovely art threads are nice, too!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 23, 2015 10:36 AM (ABcz/)
By killing someone who had no choice in the act. Personally, I find this an uncredible comparison. Again, I can sort of understand the idea that you have to allow this exception now, monstrous as it may be, to get to a better world, but in itself, the idea is immoral and decidedly un-American.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 23, 2015 10:36 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 10:36 AM (zOTsN)
Quote one, you lying jackass.
Posted by: GMan at January 23, 2015 10:36 AM (sxq57)
Dude. I'm not giving evil excuses. I agree that there should be no rape exemption. I'm just acknowledging the general suck of the situation, and expressing compassion for the raped woman.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at January 23, 2015 10:36 AM (9ysE1)
Posted by: Cheri at January 23, 2015 10:37 AM (ZFPMM)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 23, 2015 10:37 AM (hLRSq)
adjustable stocks and pistol grips here in NY. I have a disability that
causes me great trouble to hold my sporting rifle with the fixed stock
and no pistol grip.
Haven't they heard of the ADA?
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 23, 2015 10:32 AM (6G69
"That would be an entertaining court case.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 23, 2015 10:37 AM (KDbAT)
best representative democracy) has been very destructive to this
country (once a representative republic).
Direct election of Senators has been far worse (epic disaster, in fact), but yeah I'm generally going to have to agree with the principles expressed here.
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 10:37 AM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Every person has a right to self. We should tell a woman that she Must carry to term? I know that some women have done it, and they seem to be well, and that beautiful children have been the result.
And some women ave been sentenced to a living Hell.
What are we to do?
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:37 AM (Spluw)
Ellmers yesterday finally did what years of your negative and gloating attitude here didn't - convince me you were right all along. The Republican politicos (and not conservatives who'd been voting for 'em) really do want to abort a lot of nonwhites, to maintain their 51%ers in office. The Idi Amin way of winning elections. Hey, whatever works.
Enjoy your victory. Don't worry. Be happy.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 23, 2015 10:37 AM (8FLjN)
Got some good tips from that one.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 10:37 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 10:38 AM (A98Xu)
It's not a comparison. I'm stating two things that are simultaneously and horribly true. It's helpful to at least acknowledge the extra horrible plight of the (thankfully rare) woman who ends up pregnant after a rape.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at January 23, 2015 10:39 AM (9ysE1)
just teenagers who hid their pregnancies until they became obvious to
their parents.
Makes sense.
My son's heart defects were seen at 17 weeks, so they did the usual genetic testing + some additional tests for things where heart defects were typically present. So at around 20 weeks they were mentioning "options" - never said the "A" word.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 23, 2015 10:39 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Eastern Blue-Tounged Lizard at January 23, 2015 10:39 AM (6CTxJ)
Posted by: Lea hates Peppa Pig but will watch it for freedom (not really) at January 23, 2015 10:39 AM (lIU4e)
It is morally defensible, in that a woman has a right to choose. By deifinition, she was denied that right.
I'm going to start with noting that just because we have the "right" to choose (I will say the option to exercise free will) does not make the choice right. That you were given no say in the initiation may place an extra burden on your psyche, but it is not right to transfer that to an innocent. (We're not even going to get into the "rape-rape" arguments. We'd be at this all damn day.)
She may not be physically capable of carrying a child to term.
That would be a medical issue, absolutely separate from the question of rape.
And it may very well result in her being forced into some sort of bizarre relationship with the rapist (child support, visitation, communication). This has actually happened.
And this shows that there are severe issues with the state of our legal system, especially vis-a-vis family law.
There was no argument in that post that actually properly touched on whether it is proper to allow the killing of an innocent in that situation. The points raised spoke to significant issues, but not that one.
Let's at least have the consistency not to confuse issues.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:40 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 23, 2015 10:40 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Eastern Blue-Tounged Lizard at January 23, 2015 10:39 AM (6CTxJ)
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hahahaha----Close enough.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 23, 2015 10:40 AM (A98Xu)
Post R3volution/Apocalypse, woman should not be able to vote or hold public office.
I've taken plenty of shit for this before, but I still think the
19th Amendment has had significant negative unintended consequences.
Posted by: Insomniac
Going to partly agree with you here:
universal suffrage (resulting in at best representative democracy) has
been very destructive to this country (once a representative republic).
I'd
suggest that instead of simply disenfranchising based on gender (or
whatever physical characteristics) that the right to vote be based other
characteristics. Like, being landowners or being able to pass some
basic civics test (such as being able to correctly name you local county
executive, town mayor, and the President). Our system was originally
set up to only allow voting by people who had skin in the game, and that
group was typically composed of people who had their proverbial stuff
more together.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 23, 2015 10:35 AM (/Ho8c)"
I am perfectly fine with the Heinlein proposal:
Show your DD 214 to vote.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 23, 2015 10:40 AM (KDbAT)
How is your son now? That must have been a really scary diagnosis. It's strange how doctors encourage abortion without saying abortion, isn't it? In my experience geneticists are the worst of that bunch.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:41 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: avi
As to Soviets in Berlin, it doesn't frickin' matter if Berlin had a thousand abortion clinics lined up in blocks. How many do you think were operating with T-34s rolling around?
How is abortion laws in 21st century America shaped by experiences suffered 70 years ago in another continent? Most peoplein the US don't even know that it happened.
There were people on this site defending Akin? Name one. Please do not name Marshal Zhukov
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:42 AM (Spluw)
"To live is Christ. To die is gain."
~Stuff some old Christian dude said
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 23, 2015 10:42 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 23, 2015 10:42 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: The Lutherans at January 23, 2015 10:42 AM (2Ayux)
What are we to do?
Give help and support to the woman? Make adoption a less onerous option? There's numerous ways to handle it that don't punish the innocent--few are easy, but I never promised easy.
Don't ask me to condone evil just because it's convenient.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 23, 2015 10:43 AM (DT3rQ)
executive, town mayor, and the President).
At this point I'd settle for "Name 1 of your 3 current elected federal representatives in Congress" as that would apparently knock-out roughly 2/3 of the population right out of the gate (and I'd bet over 90% of the LIVs).
Posted by: DocJ at January 23, 2015 10:43 AM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 23, 2015 10:43 AM (vgIRn)
Blind hog etc.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 23, 2015 10:44 AM (evdj2)
Re: American Sniper and Selma and what not.
Stop. Fucking. Politicizing. Everything.
Stop it. Just. Stop it.
My life is no one else's political statement. It's not. I am livid at everyone else's attempts to make what I eat and what I wear and what tv shows I watch and what sports I enjoy and what video games I play into some Grand Statement Of All The Things. Who, exactly, does anyone else think they are to attempt to take from me my agency and will and determination and pat me on the head and tell me no no no sweetie this is what you really mean. Gee, thanks, I had no idea that I'd give you control of my being. Thanks for letting me know that you know what's going on in my head better than I do. No, seriously, thanks. You're awesome.
The personal is not per se political. Every single person who sees every single event through a political lens is to be held in contempt, not viewed with pity. Yes, I mean contempt. How barren is your existence, how desiccated your imagination, how boring your interior landscape to view a movie or book or song or piece of art and think first "What are the political ramifications of this?"
Spare me the oh oh but alex we have to fight back against those who do view it that way. Fine. Fight back, I mean, I, of all people, am hardly going to say don't fight. But do NOT accept the premise. Once you have? You've lost. Not only have you lost, you've tossed aside the very notion of the individual life for which you are ostensibly fighting.
Fah. A pox on everyone and everything.
Posted by: alexthechick - Where the hell did the Dark Side put the cookies at January 23, 2015 10:45 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Elmer, PhD at January 23, 2015 10:46 AM (NeFrd)
Here's the thing - I was in a position to "choose" because of my son's birth defects. There were surgeries to minimize (not fix) them, but it would be a long road. I didn't like the idea of playing God. During his 2nd surgery, when he was in so much pain I had a brief moment of doubt - had I brought him into this world only to experience such pain? But then...he fought it, just as he had been doing since he was born. The kid doesn't let anything hold him back (and I won't list all the surgeries and other fun stuff he's experienced in 11 years of life).
And the point of this is: it was never my choice, it was his. And his choice is and has always been, Hell YES. How sad that I could have denied him that choice.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 23, 2015 10:46 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Elmer, PhD at January 23, 2015 10:47 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:48 AM (MYCIw)
there were many people on this site et al that defended Aikens idiocy often with pseudoscience from China.
as to the soviets in Berlin, their rapes resulted in many pregnancies . was that too complicated for you?
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 10:34 AM (viqX2)
*points*
Liar.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2015 10:50 AM (9LuAk)
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"Name the Vice President" would knock out 50% or more of the population.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 23, 2015 10:51 AM (028dR)
I see you read that insufferable Rolling Stones article?
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 10:48 AM (MYCIw)
No. I read the incredibly insulting and condescending article about American Sniper.
Posted by: alexthechick - Where the hell did the Dark Side put the cookies at January 23, 2015 10:51 AM (mf5HN)
I may well be being very uncharitable but, if allowed, I would ask Renee, if given the option, how many innocents she would murder to get to be President, since political considerations appear to trump all else for her.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 23, 2015 10:52 AM (evdj2)
------
For Marxists, everything is political.
The Left have been astoundingly successful in converting every aspect of life to a political question.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 23, 2015 10:53 AM (028dR)
There were people on this site defending Akin? Name one. Please do not name Marshal Zhukov
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:42 AM (Spluw)
17 I'm really, really sorry that Drewie is as much of an idiot as Gabby (and all the Stupid Partiers on this non-issue).
Do they know that there is something known as sexual arousal in women?
Posted by: Gerry at August 21, 2012 09:20 AM (JKq+J)
Posted by: avi at January 23, 2015 10:54 AM (viqX2)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented
Well said.
"Proper". Hmmm.
resolved: in the event of rape, a woman shall be required to carry the resulting child to term.
Her "option to exercise free will" had been denied. it is now, again, denied by the state. This goes to the very nature of this unique "injury". If that person were a professional athelete, or muscian, we do not deny that person the right to resue their chsoen place in society.
If she was single and childless by her choice, we do not have the right to impose this change. If she was guilty of a crime, then yes.
But, as you observed, there is a third person involved.
Other attacks may result in scarring, loss of limb (17 at last count in the Boston bombing), and society can do nothing about it. Society offers no remedy for most of the ravages of violent crime. Mostly because it has none.
This type of attack may result in the creation of life. Society does not yet have the means to transfer that life.
I continue my earlier stance. We do this knowing that we are permitting the destruction of life. Innocent life. That in most cases this is conducted early, with pills, matters greatly and matters not at all.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:56 AM (Spluw)
Porta-johns are a political battlefield per the ONT....
I'd say the horse is outta da barn.
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 23, 2015 10:58 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: avi
1. WTF is he?
2.What does "sexual arousal" have to do with conception? I took health class in a Catholic high school and I know that.
See if Marshal Zhukov wants to join in. He'd make more sense, and he's been dead for about 40 years.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:58 AM (Spluw)
Amnesty will have a similar effect - for every "naturally conservative" Hispanic vote they gain by pandering to cheap labor and open borders, they'll lose three voters - two former loyalists from their base and one independent or Reagan Democrat they could have won over by standing for something.
Boehner and the rest of the donor class epitomize the mind-set of the corporatist short-termer CEO - sacrifice the long term health and credibility of a long-standing institution for short term gains. Apres moi, le deluge. Or as Keynes put it in English - (who cares because) "in the long run, we're all dead."
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 23, 2015 11:00 AM (QKIQb)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2015 11:04 AM (9LuAk)
"I think the leadership genuinely feels bad about this. Genuinely," one woman said. "I hope that that will translate into listening to people who have voting cards instead of listening to people who don't have voting cards."
Here revealed the mindset of our masters. 'I won.'
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 23, 2015 11:06 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2015 11:08 AM (9LuAk)
"
What a bitch.
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 11:08 AM (MYCIw)
Not horrible? That Sniper movie article. I have to admit that my kneejerk reaction is to defend a movie I haven't seen. I mean, WHO CARES about a CGI baby?!?!?
Posted by: Shoot Me at January 23, 2015 11:09 AM (EQcfE)
Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2015 11:08 AM (MYCIw)
I try to avoid using that word, but... yes, that was the first thing that came to mind.
Whomever that individual is, they need to be primaried. Wonder if we'll ever know who it was.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2015 11:12 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: avi
1. WTF is he?
2.What does "sexual arousal" have to do with conception? I took health class in a Catholic high school and I know that.
See if Marshal Zhukov wants to join in. He'd make more sense, and he's been dead for about 40 years.
The rules of logic are such that, all one needs is a single counter example to contradict and absolutist statement.
Sorry
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 23, 2015 10:58 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Avi at January 23, 2015 11:16 AM (mWPzY)
is not equal to the implicit accusation in:
"but there are still morons out there who deny that rape can cause pregnancies."
The rules of logic are such that the accusation has to be proven positively.
Show one regular, known commenter on this site who states unambiguously that rape cannot under any circumstances cause pregnancy.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 23, 2015 11:28 AM (MbqmP)
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