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Open Thread
Alfred Stevens, "The Milky Way" (c. 1886)
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Avogadra at January 20, 2015 10:06 AM (tQGyU)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:07 AM (IXrOn)
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Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 20, 2015 10:08 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 20, 2015 10:07 AM (0FSuD)
Bleach, strong bleach.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 20, 2015 10:08 AM (028dR)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 20, 2015 10:08 AM (0FSuD)
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Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 20, 2015 10:09 AM (MbqmP)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at January 20, 2015 10:09 AM (7RXcs)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 20, 2015 10:09 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2015 10:09 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 20, 2015 10:09 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 20, 2015 10:10 AM (0FSuD)
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Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2015 10:10 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 20, 2015 10:09 AM (0FSuD
I did.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 20, 2015 10:10 AM (028dR)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 20, 2015 10:10 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 20, 2015 10:10 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:10 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at January 20, 2015 10:10 AM (baiNQ)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2015 10:10 AM (bWBdM)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (8hctH)
Posted by: Carol at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (wlDny)
Up there in the fake sky, itsa fake moon, in a fake pitcher of a fake woman who isn't really real.
It's all fakes all the way down..
Nothing is real anymore, not after the Evil Eastwood destroyed my faith in Hollywood.
Posted by: Louie Hu at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (P/ylt)
Posted by: Ally McBeal's Dancing Baby at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Prune Facts at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (MbqmP)
Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 20, 2015 10:11 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Warlord of the South at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (DT3rQ)
We had one locally last night, went outside with my number cards to judge form but alas none of em seem to have gotten chucked off the bridge.
Posted by: JEM at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (6UvYI)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (SCcgT)
Anybody else like Acension? TV series about a 1963 generational ship yada yada
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (aD91J)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Ally McBeal's Dancing Baby
Has-been.
Posted by: Dancing Baby Groot (through translator) at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: fluffy at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (08Znv)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (W5DcG)
Geez, you people!
Of course, I'm a fake baby!
That chick was wearing a fake pregnant belly!
fake pregnant belly = fake baby
It's science, people.
And the science is settled!
Posted by: fake baby at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Just Some Guy at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (vgIRn)
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Eromero at January 20, 2015 10:14 AM (go5uR)
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 20, 2015 10:15 AM (ZKzrr)
It will be a collection of random protesters being thrown from tall buildings as spectators scream their approval.
Posted by: Louie Hu at January 20, 2015 10:15 AM (P/ylt)
Interesting.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:13 AM
It is a bit odd that there seems to be more Milky Way on her blue dress than in the sky.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 20, 2015 10:15 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 20, 2015 10:15 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 20, 2015 10:15 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: ZombieDachshund at January 20, 2015 10:16 AM (Na7G9)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 20, 2015 10:16 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:17 AM (IXrOn)
Big astro news from down under, on which I'm sure CAC will comment.
They managed to be "looking" at the right spot just when one of those mysterious fast radio bursts went off. Answered 100 years of questions, raised some more.
And the reason I mention this, is, the lead investigator is pretty nice-looking.
Emily Petroff, Swinburne University. Violinist, nice cat, cute dog, and quite likely the woman who has Solved the Mystery of The Ages. So there is that.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 20, 2015 10:17 AM (xq1UY)
Va. governor hospitalized after being thrown from horse
Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) broke seven ribs in the accident.
"Well, what do you know. These things work!"
*looks down at Terry McAuliffe voodoo doll*
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2015 10:17 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 20, 2015 10:15 AM (3ZtZW)
Yeah, even the Drip is bigger there.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 20, 2015 10:17 AM (eeTCA)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (7ObY1)
Quit your objectification of women's bodies and cultural appropriation of booty you cishetero oppressor!
You want to see some really, truly miserable people? Look at these attention whores:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_About_That_Bass#Anti-feminism_claims
Posted by: 0302 at January 20, 2015 10:18 AM (N6eLE)
Posted by: ThunderB, Fake Baby Breeder at January 20, 2015 10:19 AM (zOTsN)
70 DEEPINNAHEARTOFTEXAS
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 20, 2015 10:15 AM (3ZtZW)
Yeah, even the Drip is bigger there
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There fixed it
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 20, 2015 10:19 AM (eeTCA)
Posted by: Pope Francis at January 20, 2015 10:19 AM (Tj+s6)
Two male witches in Edinburgh have tied the knot in the UK's first pagan same-sex marriage.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-30885393
"Let's make suuuuuure we go to hell."
"The ceremony included handfasting, the sharing of mead and jumping the broom."
IYKWIM.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2015 10:19 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Null at January 20, 2015 10:19 AM (xjpRj)
Posted by: MTF at January 20, 2015 10:20 AM (LISuA)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 20, 2015 10:20 AM (Lp6I1)
Posted by: Harry Reid at January 20, 2015 10:20 AM (N6eLE)
Grandpa got around!
Posted by: Billy Jeff C. at January 20, 2015 10:20 AM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 20, 2015 10:12 AM (3ZtZW)
haven't seen it
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:20 AM (IXrOn)
Are you sure galaxy is not Greek for milk hence the Milky Way?
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:20 AM (3jmxp)
Ahem. BC and I's podcast. Ahem. http://bit.ly/1C2PkEl
/ pimping
In other news, I just got actual, helpful information from a Federal government office.
I'm a bit frightened now.
Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of WTAF at January 20, 2015 10:20 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:21 AM (xWW96)
Allow me to continue this beautiful song here:
The prairie sky is wide and high
Deep in the heart of Texas
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 20, 2015 10:21 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Sir Alfred Stevens at January 20, 2015 10:21 AM (VgmK8)
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 20, 2015 10:22 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:22 AM (3jmxp)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_About_That_Bass#Anti-feminism_claims
Posted by: 0302 at January 20, 2015 10:18 AM (N6eLE)
yep
I couldn't even get through the first few sentences...
sickos
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:22 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:20 AM (3jmxp)
From the Greek galaxias kyklos, milky circle
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:22 AM (ZdA3v)
Posted by: MTF at January 20, 2015 10:22 AM (LISuA)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 20, 2015 10:23 AM (3ZtZW)
I couldn't even get through the first few sentences...
sickos
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:22 AM (IXrOn)
you notice Vox was mentioned in there too
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2015 10:23 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at January 20, 2015 10:23 AM (7RXcs)
Posted by: Ruth Ruben at January 20, 2015 10:23 AM (XDMAg)
"Indeed, I would put it no higher than surprised."
--Tim Roth, in the last movie where No-Guns Neeson didn't shoot anybody
(speaking of "Taken" from behind)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 20, 2015 10:24 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:24 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:24 AM (kff5f)
Deep in the heart of Texas
Must have foretold the coming of Romo.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 20, 2015 10:24 AM (aD91J)
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 20, 2015 10:25 AM (ZKzrr)
I'm having An Day, so I can't really read the article from the sidebar just now.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:25 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at January 20, 2015 10:25 AM (7RXcs)
Good news, everyone! GOP to "evolve" on Global Warming -- err -- Climate Change. Joining in on the regulation game and picking winners and losers:
Now in control of Congress, some Republicans are beginning to think that simply throwing bombs at the Environmental Protection Agency and Obama's regulations won't work any longer, staffers on Capitol Hill say.
Instead, they believe they must develop their own ideas on how to combat climate change, especially to help moderate GOP senators up for re-election in 2016.
http://tinyurl.com/kgesarj
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2015 10:25 AM (kdS6q)
"Forty-five churches were torched over the weekend in Niger's capital
during deadly protests over the publication of a Prophet Mohammed
cartoon by the French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo, police said on
Monday.
The protests, which left five people dead and 128 people injured, also saw a Christian school and orphanage set alight..."
*45* churches in one weekend. Now that's what I call backlash. Except that it's ignored because it's not 45 mosques.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2015 10:25 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:26 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Carol at January 20, 2015 10:26 AM (sj3Ax)
Deep in the heart of Texas
Must have foretold the coming of Romo.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 20, 2015 10:24 AM (aD91J)
Now that's funny.
Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of WTAF at January 20, 2015 10:26 AM (mf5HN)
BBL.
Posted by: Carol at January 20, 2015 10:27 AM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2015 10:27 AM (OiH3z)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102347969
Posted by: MTF at January 20, 2015 10:27 AM (LISuA)
Posted by: Lauren at January 20, 2015 10:27 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Sabrina Rubin Erdely at January 20, 2015 10:27 AM (uOAjL)
There ya go, folks. If you had any remaining doubt about the GOPe.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 20, 2015 10:28 AM (LA7Cm)
They have one trick; making things dissappear.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 10:28 AM (Spluw)
So this Seth Rogen thing has gotten out of hand. Many people on the right are guilty of exhibiting the same fake outrage that we often accuse liberals of.
To be fair, many people made the same observation that he did. It's a good thing to have a little self-awareness when it comes to war. We often like to think that we are "good" and everything we do is good, and the enemy is "bad" and everything they do is bad. But they are thinking the same thing on the other side as well. There is nothing wrong with recognizing this, and that is all that Rogen did.
For the record, the movie was great. Go see it.
Posted by: Donkey at January 20, 2015 10:28 AM (Ggh94)
Dammit.
I was afraid of that.
"We have to DO SOMETHING!!!!"
No, you f*cking don't. There is zero evidence that man is in any way responsible for, or can even effect if we want to, the changing climate. To continue to allow this idiocy free reign is to further hobble the economy.
The correct answer is sharply to limit the EPA's power and authority, send that back down to the States (where it belongs) and watch US Businesses start to flourish.
That's not going to happen, because SCOAMT, but at least you can *not make it worse.*
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:28 AM (kff5f)
Deep in the heart of Texas
Must have foretold the coming of Romo.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 20, 2015 10:24 AM (aD91J)
Not a fan of the Cowbois, but Romo was not drafted and worked his way into the starting QB role. That's impressive.
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:28 AM (ZdA3v)
Posted by: Donkey at January 20, 2015 10:28 AM (Ggh94)
War is legalized murder. Silly to think it is anything more noble. Go for the win or stay the fuck home.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:29 AM (xWW96)
Houthi rebels have entered the Palace.
All those drone strikes in Yemen have brought us victory.
Obama just keeps winning, and winning. Like the energizer bunny.
Posted by: Louie Hu at January 20, 2015 10:29 AM (P/ylt)
18 years of no climate change.
Problem solved!
Well done, technocrats! You actually achieved something for once. Really. Mission Accomplished. Congratulations. Please to be zeroing out funding for the EPA, yes?
Posted by: no? at January 20, 2015 10:30 AM (9Z8lH)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:30 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Mrs. Alfred Stevens at January 20, 2015 10:31 AM (8TdcF)
But, but, but we've got to show that we can govern and stuff.
*sniffle*
Posted by: Johnny "Cheeto" Boner at January 20, 2015 10:31 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:31 AM (vjigd)
You picked the wrong animal as a nic. You should have been sheep. One that can't tell the difference between a wolf and a sheepdog.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:31 AM (3jmxp)
No, it's not. Go back and spot your logical fallacy.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:30 AM (kff5f)
War is legalized killing.
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:31 AM (ZdA3v)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 20, 2015 10:31 AM (TxFjj)
Posted by: WannabeAnglican at January 20, 2015 10:32 AM (UjdhA)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 20, 2015 10:32 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:32 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:32 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:33 AM (vjigd)
Posted by: physics geek at January 20, 2015 10:33 AM (MT22W)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:32 AM (xWW96)
You can't possibly be that sophomoric.
Go back and define your terms first, then let's try this again.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 20, 2015 10:33 AM (TxFjj)
Posted by: Joe F. at January 20, 2015 10:34 AM (9jXtr)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:32 AM (xWW96)
Murder - unjustified taking of a life
Killing - justified taking of a life
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:34 AM (ZdA3v)
What's this about the GOP deciding that AGW is real?
I'm having An Day, so I can't really read the article from the sidebar just now.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:25 AM (kff5f)
If that is the same article I linked a few days ago it is the same old RINOs/DIABLOs being RINOs and DIABLOs.
Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2015 10:34 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:31 AM (ZdA3v)
Still no, but closer.
Killing is certainly a part (perhaps the largest "practical" part) of war, but war is not "legalized killing."
War is the exertion of Force in the service of a nation's interests. Not one person has to die for there to be "war" (one side could surrender first). And to reduce the violence in war to "legalized killing" (let alone "legalized murder") is to equivocate a soldier's duty to nothing more than a thug pursuing his own good.
War is about forcing the other nation to surrender. The killing is a natural consequence of the conflict, but it is not the *point.* Were the killing the *point*, it would be nothing more than "legalized murder" and the greatest Evil known to Man.
War may be hell, but it is not (inherently) wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:35 AM (kff5f)
You ANIMAL!!!!!!11!!!
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:36 AM (vjigd)
Posted by: Dang at January 20, 2015 10:36 AM (MNq6o)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 20, 2015 10:33 AM (TxFjj)
I don't need further definition. I'm ok with my view. I don't need artificial definition. It is what it is. A philosophical point of contention does not a real difference make.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:36 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:36 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:35 AM (kff5f)
Word
Posted by: St. Augustine of Hippo at January 20, 2015 10:36 AM (TxFjj)
Posted by: m at January 20, 2015 10:36 AM (rn/hC)
Just shows where my mind's at.........
Posted by: Buckeye Katie at January 20, 2015 10:37 AM (1M/xn)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 20, 2015 10:37 AM (F2IAQ)
Weasel Zippers
I am sure not a peep tonight about this
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2015 10:38 AM (Zmw74)
But you don't kill him (in a war) "without any other reason than he is the enemy." His *death* is not the point. If it is reasonable to capture him, soldiers do so.
His death may be necessary, or at least expedient, but it is not the point. The point is to make his superiors realize they will not win by force of arms, and so to surrender.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:38 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:36 AM (xWW96)
Congratulations, you've proven that you have the reasoning skills and intellect of a fifth-grader.
One could be forgiven for thinking that in order to be able to operate a computer and navigate the complexities of connecting to the internet you were more intellectually capable. However, it appears we were incorrect.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 20, 2015 10:38 AM (TxFjj)
MILITARIZED THUG MILITARY!!!!!!!!11!!!
Oh wait....
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:38 AM (vjigd)
So this Seth Rogen thing has gotten out of hand. Many people on the
right are guilty of exhibiting the same fake outrage that we often
accuse liberals of.
see, the left gets away with this trick all the time.
they make outrageous accusations (racist! Nazi! evil racist Nazi!) and then when we predictably demonstrate the outrage that they provoked, they say "now now, calm down and let's discuss the issues rationally" - that they have no interest in discussing rationally - and then they proceed to the next wave of epithets.
their goal here is just to push the narrative that conservatives are evil war-mongering Nazis. nothing more, nothing less. this has zero to do about the war itself or the morality thereof.
it is all in service of a political agenda. full stop.
so no I won't shut up about it, I will call out Rogen to be the asshat that he is
Posted by: chemjeff at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (uOAjL)
Sweet comment, donkey!
As I Concerned Christian Conservative, I too, am most worried that people who view this movie won't recognize that it's just like Nazi propaganda.
We must never believe in ourselves, our nation, or our principles, especially when we go to war.
That is surely the wrong path.
Oh....yeah....and....uh...I....um...liked the movie and stuff.
Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (KBvAm)
1. What is the reason for your being there?
2. How wasyour being theredecided?
3. How was the determination "enemy" decided?
4. Why does the state sanction this action and not others?
5. Are there any circumstances where your killing this "enemy" wouldresult in you being prosecuted?
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (Spluw)
Weasel Zippers
Like the progress in Yemen? Say what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: LizLem at January 20, 2015 10:40 AM (yRwC8)
Republican AGWist=RHINO=Democrat
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 20, 2015 10:40 AM (aD91J)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 20, 2015 10:40 AM (uOAjL)
I'll ask this. Is killing in self defense "murder?"
Posted by: Johnny at January 20, 2015 10:40 AM (LA7Cm)
Meanwhile, these guys:
The Federalist
Forgive Student Loans And End Further Subsidies
By Daniel Oliver
Don't Pick Political Fights With Pope Francis
By Rachel Lu
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (kdS6q)
Good to see the students untied you
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (vjigd)
State sanctioned makes it justified. A small point IMHO.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (xWW96)
So, a police officer who shoots & kills a knife wielding manic who is on a killing spree is not justified in killing that person.
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (ZdA3v)
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (3jmxp)
I watched it for free, so, yeah, not so well.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 20, 2015 10:38 AM (TxFjj) Also, I am secure enough in myself that I don't care what you think of me. I don't need your advice and I don't care about your opinion.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: maddogg
Congress declaring war, the UCMJ and international codes of lawful warfare = a small point.
Good to know.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (Spluw)
if the comments are going all philosophical on the Meaning of War I'ma gonna need to up my blood sugar level.
Can't go to war on the internet without high levels of blood glucose and caffeine. It wouldn't be prudent.
..and so brunch; waffles and a delicious fruit compote.
Posted by: Louie Hu at January 20, 2015 10:42 AM (P/ylt)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 20, 2015 10:42 AM (TPjwz)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 20, 2015 10:42 AM (TPjwz)
I like that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2015 10:42 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (xWW96)
Mmmmm hmmmm.
I can tell.
I can tell because you keep responding.
You mad, bro?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 20, 2015 10:42 AM (TxFjj)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:43 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 20, 2015 10:40 AM (aD91J)
\But, but I need real proof that the RINO establishment has been thoroughly corrupted by being inside the beltway and completely on the take for that sweet donor money!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 20, 2015 10:43 AM (ftVQq)
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I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.
If it's a good script, I'll do it. And if it's a bad script, and they pay me enough money, I'll do it.
Acting is all about honesty. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
The secret of a good sermon is to to have a good beginning and a good ending, then having the two as close together as possible.
Happiness is having a large, loving, caring, close-knit family in another city.
- George Burns
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2 min. video, how George met Gracie: http://tinyurl.com/nmrsgb7
George Burns (signing off): "Say 'good night,' Gracie."
Gracie Allen (in response): "Good night, Gracie."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 20, 2015 10:44 AM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:44 AM (ZdA3v)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at January 20, 2015 10:44 AM (1BQGO)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:43 AM (xWW96)
Not with liberals in Office? Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2015 10:44 AM (Zmw74)
right are guilty of exhibiting the same fake outrage that we often
accuse liberals of.
It feels like they are trying to pull a Lena Dunham on Chris Kyle, use the same tactics people at Breitbart brilliantly did to expose her vileness and turne it against him.
The difference is, of course, that the people at Breitbart and other conservative blogs used her own words from her own book to condemn her. Whereas the MSM is taking Chris' words entirely out of context; when you return to his actual words from his own book, it exonorates him. Huge, huge difference.
Posted by: LizLem at January 20, 2015 10:44 AM (yRwC8)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 20, 2015 10:44 AM (eytER)
The original (as I understand it) point of things like the Geneva convention makes a great deal of sense. If we allow pure barbarism and atrocity to rule the battlefield, we'll have nothing but a never-ending cycle of "wars of revenge."
Thus we limit our behavior in war to help stave off the next for that much longer.
What does not make sense is the current concept of restrained war, wherein you fight down to your opponent's standard. It makes war more horrific, because it extends the conflict, thereby increasing the cost (both monetary and human) incurred.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:45 AM (kff5f)
I love that. Heh.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 20, 2015 10:45 AM (LA7Cm)
War as per the Department of the Navy: hey you guys, go over there and break shit till we tell you to stop
Easy peasy
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:45 AM (vjigd)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 20, 2015 10:44 AM (eytER)
Exchange of ideas. You come here for advice and opinion on your thoughts?
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:46 AM (xWW96)
State sanctioned makes it justified. A small point IMHO.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (xWW96)
So, a police officer who shoots & kills a knife wielding manic who is on a killing spree is not justified in killing that person.
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:41 AM (ZdA3v
Only if they take out the unarmed dog first. Then its all cool.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 20, 2015 10:46 AM (eeTCA)
Posted by: maddogg
1.If this example is an unarmed prisoner of war, no. If i did, and was caught, I'd be prosecuted ( atleast in most Western militaries).
2. If this person was trying to surrender, and someone decided that there was an opportunity to accept it without risk, then see #1.
The "justification" is a nation declaring itself to be at war with another nation or non-state actor.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 10:46 AM (Spluw)
As they say, you have a right to make your own opinion but you don't have the right to make your own facts.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:46 AM (3jmxp)
http://tinyurl.com/kgesarj
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2015 10:25 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: SarahW at January 20, 2015 10:47 AM (Lbv/k)
On a side note: I might skip a few hours from work today and see American Sniper.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (TPjwz)
Not true.
It wasn't even true in WWII, WWI, or any war prior to that since the beginning of the modern era. If you see an enemy you can reasonably capture, you capture them. Killing them with no chance to defend themselves would always get you a court-martial (in theory).
The fact that people use war as an excuse to get away with bad things does not change what war *is.* War is the ultimate expression of diplomacy.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (kff5f)
You'd think they would get creative and do things like no more US government travel to climate change conferences - attend via video.
Heck, maybe just greatly reduce *all* travel by government employees.
There must be some other measures along these same lines....
Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 20, 2015 10:46 AM (3jmxp)
I don't think Obama understands that concept or chooses to ignore it
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (ZdA3v)
I was waiting for this
It's like I don't even recognize the hoard anymore
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (vjigd)
Killing a captive my not be justified by the state. So now its murder.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (xWW96)
*ding* *ding* *ding*
Give that man a blondie.
Or a blonde.
Whichever.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:49 AM (kff5f)
We often like to think that we are "good" and everything we do is good, and the enemy is "bad" and everything they do is bad. But they are thinking the same thing on the other side as well.
Posted by: Donkey
I believe I once wrote something quite similar in an essay.
For my 10th grade Health Class.
Then I grew up.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2015 10:49 AM (kdS6q)
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I would say that by definition if you want an exchange of ideas then you kind of need to care about the opinion of your audience...
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 20, 2015 10:50 AM (PFy0L)
I guess we re right where we're supposed to be in this timeline
Ok carry on
Posted by: ginaswo at January 20, 2015 10:50 AM (2EgyQ)
Ladies, hold on to your uteri.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pp8jhhn
Posted by: flounder at January 20, 2015 10:50 AM (FHh8u)
Posted by: Lifelong Republican Who Voted For Obama at January 20, 2015 10:50 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: maddogg
Yup. It's possible to distinguish an act of murder in the middle of a war.
Thus, your assertion is false.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 10:50 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 20, 2015 10:50 AM (TPjwz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 20, 2015 10:44 AM (F2IAQ)
I did a road trip with my dad and sis this summer, and one of the highlights was getting to listen to a bunch of old Burns and Allen radio shows on the satellite radio as we drove. What a wonderful pair they were, so funny. And I found it kind of endearing to listen to the commercials woven into the script; product placement is as old as the hills apparently. I think several were for Maxwell House, if I recall.
Posted by: LizLem at January 20, 2015 10:50 AM (yRwC8)
It wasn't even true in WWII, WWI, or any war prior to that since the beginning of the modern era. If you see an enemy you can reasonably capture, you capture them. Killing them with no chance to defend themselves would always get you a court-martial (in theory).
Heh.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:51 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 10:51 AM (Spluw)
Did hippies really save us all the work and place themselves in concrete-filled barrels?
If so: I'm not seeing the problem.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 10:51 AM (x3YFz)
Hi, I'm joe....you must be new here
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:51 AM (vjigd)
Word!
Posted by: Self Defense vs Murder at January 20, 2015 10:51 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (kff5f)
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NO
Posted by: RioBravo at January 20, 2015 10:52 AM (z27Ny)
Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shade at January 20, 2015 10:52 AM (cmBvC)
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:52 AM (vjigd)
Posted by: Dancing Baby Groot (through translator) at January 20, 2015 10:53 AM (DT3rQ)
Adorable!! Glad to hear all is going well with the family.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2015 10:53 AM (ABcz/)
Heh.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:51 AM (xWW96)
Uh... yeah, we'll go with that.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 10:53 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (ABcz/)
They are catering to a) the LiV's that have bought the AGW scam and won't vote R anyway and b) to the big corporations that can wipe out competitors by the judicious use of campaign contributions.
But hold your nose and vote for Jeb, he'll put things aright!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 20, 2015 10:53 AM (ftVQq)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 20, 2015 10:53 AM (TPjwz)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 20, 2015 10:53 AM (TPjwz)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 20, 2015 10:54 AM (DT3rQ)
Can't have the 'normals' just using natural resources without guidance
Posted by: ginaswo at January 20, 2015 10:54 AM (2EgyQ)
Thus, your assertion is false.Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 10:50 AM (Spluw)A captive is no longer part of the war, so you are full of shit.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:54 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (TPjwz)
I saw it yesterday, definitely worth watching for the story, after it was over the theater was dead silent and we all filed out quietly.
From a strictly movie making perspective it was an average movie. It was too linear and spent too much time on the husband/wife relationship and not enough time on building the audience's investment in his team in Iraq. Lots of exposition - show me - don't tell me.
But, it is a great story about an American hero.
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:54 AM (ZdA3v)
Posted by: ginaswo at January 20, 2015 10:55 AM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 20, 2015 10:55 AM (F2IAQ)
War is violence in service to the state. Whether or not the violence is
morally justified has been hashed and re-hashed since philosophy began
and won't stop being relitigated until the stars go out.
Posted by: Dancing Baby Groot (through translator) at January 20, 2015 10:53 AM (DT3rQ)
anyone who breaks conflict down into a nice catchy phrase like "violence in service to the state" has never been to war and is therefore unqualified.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 10:55 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 20, 2015 10:55 AM (vjigd)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 20, 2015 10:55 AM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: seamrog at January 20, 2015 10:56 AM (7mWQT)
How easy it is to forget how tiny they are at first!
Good on ya'!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 20, 2015 10:56 AM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Mike Hammer,
Wait..., the slope is wrong.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 20, 2015 10:56 AM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2015 10:56 AM (wlDny)
That is surely the wrong path.
Oh....yeah....and....uh...I....um...liked the movie and stuff.
Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative at January 20, 2015 10:39 AM (KBvAm)
Sorry, I think people are misunderstanding. You can absolutely 100% agree with your nations principles (like we all do,) while still recognizing that not everyone agrees with you. I recognize that they hate us over there because their god allegedly tells them too. I also think that they are 100% wrong and we are without a doubt the good guys in this fight.
I can recognize their side of the argument while still believing that they are batshit crazy.
Posted by: Donkey at January 20, 2015 10:56 AM (Ggh94)
morally justified has been hashed and re-hashed since philosophy began
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Ummmm...... no..... that is relatively Western and late 20th century phenomena.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2015 10:56 AM (NaV4z)
I think you may be killing your own argument there. A captive is no longer armed or resisting and thus if killed in the midst of an ongoing war of which they have no part it would very likely be murder.
It that captive is armed and resisting, not murder.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 20, 2015 10:58 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Donkey at January 20, 2015 10:56 AM (Ggh94)
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The logical conclusion of that is that you have to prove that their Allah is weaker than our God. Start by nuking Mecca and turning it into glass.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 20, 2015 10:58 AM (5f5bM)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 10:36 AM (xWW96)
I didn't realize maddogg was a flaming liberal. I came to this conclusion thusly: When presented with facts standing in contradiction to his stated assumptions, he chose to retain his position rather than re-evaluate.
Feelings trump facts.
This is a basic truism to liberals.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 20, 2015 10:59 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 20, 2015 10:59 AM (5f5bM)
Heck, maybe just greatly reduce *all* travel by government employees.
There must be some other measures along these same lines....
Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2015 10:48 AM (ABcz/)
*clambers up on soap box*
How about we focus on actual, I don't know, conservation? That would be nice. The first part of conservative is conserve after all.
Here's a radical idea. If we focus on pollution and practical and realistic energy policy and balancing the need for growth with the need to preserve nature then, get this, to the extent that there is a man made portion of global warming, that will take care of itself.
You want more animals? Put the hunters in charge of the herd.
You want more green space? Privatize to at least some degree.
You want actual environmental progress? Dismantle the EPA.
I cannot believe I have to stick up for Outside.
This is what you've forced me to GOP! Look at what you did! Look at it and be ashamed.
*stares around*
Huh. I can see Mount Upton from here.
Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of WTAF at January 20, 2015 11:00 AM (mf5HN)
Feelings trump facts.
This is a basic truism to liberals.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 20, 2015 10:59 AM (fwARV)
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About like ideology trumps facts for conservatives.
Posted by: RioBravo at January 20, 2015 11:00 AM (z27Ny)
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 10:53 AM (x3YFz)
Let's see...
It is certainly true in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It was true in Vietnam
It was true in Korea.
It was true in WWII (remember- we're talking seeing a lone soldier taking a crap, that was the set up, not a lone soldier with his rifle up).
It was true in WWI.
It get hard going much further than that, but it was true (in theory) for British forces in the Revolution.
It was true in most armies in the 30 Year's War.
Killing an enemy soldier who is incapable of his own defense has been (technically) a violation of various war justice codes for a long time. Sometimes that gets... muddied. Sometimes it even gets ignored. Other times soldiers get away with it even when the officers are serious about enforcing such rules.
That does not change the fact that the expectation is that we capture enemy soldiers when practical (say: they can't defend themselves), and that murdering them is, well, murder.
The practicalities of the situation often make it murky, that's granted (to the point I shouldn't have to be addressing it).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 11:01 AM (kff5f)
How does Seth Rogin who presumably made money on a movie about MURDERING a national leader say anything about "American Sniper" being like Nazi propaganda?
Not sure if I'm articulating this correctly.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 20, 2015 11:01 AM (A98Xu)
average movie. It was too linear and spent too much time on the
husband/wife relationship and not enough time on building the audience's
investment in his team in Iraq. Lots of exposition - show me - don't
tell me.
But, it is a great story about an American hero.
Posted by: MikeH at January 20, 2015 10:54 AM (ZdA3v)
I never met Chris. Missed him by 2 minutes at SHOT 2013 (we were trying to track him down for my friend who was with me in Vegas), but I know enough folks who did know him that on the day he was killed I made a phone call to someone who did know him and had to relay.
You can't capture the SEAL community in 1 movie. I'm an outsider and I don't understand it myself. I've worked on little projects and things with them, but still it's a mystery to me.
The way that one phone call went; well, I'll need to wait to see it until I can watch it at home. We'll let it go at that.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:01 AM (x3YFz)
This is a basic truism to liberals.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 20, 2015 10:59 AM (fwARV)
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Conservative think tanks and publications enforce orthodoxy more than their liberal counterparts.
Posted by: RioBravo at January 20, 2015 11:02 AM (z27Ny)
Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2015 11:02 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2015 10:56 AM (NaV4z)
St. Augustine says hi.
Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of WTAF at January 20, 2015 11:02 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: RioBravo at January 20, 2015 11:00 AM (z27Ny)
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Even more true for liberals. Look at the big picture of market economy versus central planning. You don't need to be a rocket surgeon to see which one works better for everyone in society. West versus East Germany, South versus North Korea, Texas versus California. Yet they persist in following their ideology that central planning is necessary.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 20, 2015 11:03 AM (5f5bM)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 20, 2015 11:01 AM (kff5f)
things get muddy when there's shootin'
when the triple nickle took kabul...and now I'll stop talking.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:03 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: maddogg
Prisoners of war have been exchanged, escaped or liberated. Many managed to re-enter the hostilities. One grim statistic is the number of vermin releasd from Gitmo who did exactly that.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:05 AM (Spluw)
A party slowly dying of senility.
I watch public opinion issue polling pretty closely. It looks like this:
(1) Lack of good jobs
(2) Lack of good jobs
(3) Lack of good jobs
(4) Lack of good jobs
(5) Lack of good jobs
...
...
...
(837) "Climate change"
Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2015 11:06 AM (noWW6)
authorities and it has nothing to do with the military. The military is
controlled by the UCMJ which incorporates items from the Geneva
Conventions that we have ratified and follow. I do not believe that
murder appears there at all.
Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2015 11:02 AM (wlDny)
I believe only inasmuch as it relates to conduct within the ranks.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:08 AM (x3YFz)
Ours is but to do...and send James Taylor to France. I'm pretty sure that's how the poem goes?
Posted by: LizLem at January 20, 2015 11:08 AM (yRwC8)
I have an art theme for you to try out in your next thread... Classic paintings that are perfect for hanging in specific locations.
After we browsed through the National Gallery of Art in D.C. my wife picked up a small print of "A Girl and her Duenna" by Bartolomé Esteban Murillo. She then hung it over the commode in our hall bath.
It gets a lot of comments from male visitors to our house. Funny that women never seem to notice it.
Posted by: MikeW at January 20, 2015 11:09 AM (rGo9s)
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:09 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 11:09 AM (xWW96)
liberated. Many managed to re-enter the hostilities. One grim statistic
is the number of vermin releasd from Gitmo who did exactly that.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:05 AM (Spluw)
most of then were not uniformed or represented a state and are therefore exempt from protection from the Geneva Conventions.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:10 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 20, 2015 11:13 AM (IW2Oq)
Weasel Zippers
Ya no: Birds of a feather flock together. And nice head al
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2015 11:13 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: TangoNine
Agreed. I should differentiate between 'lawful combatants' and those acting outside of the law. International law sanctions their immediate death. Our policy makers chose instead detention.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:14 AM (Spluw)
Some time ago a bunch of us had a discussion about war.
Came away with this.
War must be entered with the committment to win--otherwise it is an exercise in futility.
In order to win a war, 2 things MUST be accomplished.
The enemy's ability to wage war must be denied.
His will to wage war must be broken.
How this is done involves strategy, tactics and logistics.
Failure in either of the 2 primary objectives will ensure that you land right where we are today,for an example.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 20, 2015 11:14 AM (jeCnD)
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:14 AM (x3YFz)
... I read this as Malia is had trouble getting accepted to the college she wanted and Sasha's grades are even worse.
This is to get those fifty middle class folks out of the elite schools.
Let them eat community college.
Posted by: College Joe at January 20, 2015 11:17 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: maddogg
Your assertion was that anyone could kill their enemy at any time. I'm noting htat this is not the case. The fact that combatants can become POWs/captives disproves your point.
If your assertion prevailed, then there would be no need or desire for the category of POW/captive. it'd be unremitting killing.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:17 AM (Spluw)
But the red cross isn't a policy-making or legal body. So fuck them.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:18 AM (x3YFz)
If you don't like it we'll just split Texas off from the Union and bring in whoever else wants to split off
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 20, 2015 11:18 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 20, 2015 11:20 AM (/Ho8c)
enemy at any time. I'm noting htat this is not the case. The fact that
combatants can become POWs/captives disproves your point.
If your assertion prevailed, then there would be no need or desire for the category of POW/captive. it'd be unremitting killing.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:17 AM (Spluw)
it ain't easy. Jihadi rolls out with an AK, empties a mag on your team. Kills your best friend.
Then, he drops the gun and goes back into his home and doesn't surrender.
You DO understand this is how they fight, right?
So what would *you* do in that scenario?
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:21 AM (x3YFz)
If your assertion prevailed, then there would be no need or desire for the category of POW/captive. it'd be unremitting killing.Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:17 AM (Spluw) Whether a soldier takes a captive or not is often up to the descretion of the soldier. A personal choice. Plenty of enemy soldiers have been shot after attempting to surrender. After a man has seen his friends killed by that soldier, he may not be feeling generous. And nobody is likely to prosecute him for it.I am talking reality, not some philosophical point in right and wrong.
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 11:21 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:18 AM (x3YFz)
Well I'll take the Jewish and Christian Nurses, you can have the muslim ones
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2015 11:21 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:22 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: irongrampa at January 20, 2015 11:23 AM (jeCnD)
Posted by: TangoNine
I used to be an 0331. I would probably expend a belt.
Discussing such matters is far easier here, than living it and surviving it. Further, I understand that at several points, things got savage, as when after Malmedy soldiers refused to surrender and refuse to accept it, especially SS. It happened in the Pacific. A lot.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:24 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: maddogg
No, you were claiming that war is state sanctioned killing. That and that only.I pointed out there are limitations. Congrats; you realized, along with everyone else, that war is Hell, and that in the midst of chaos and violence, violence may occur.
US personnel can and have been prosecuted for such actions.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:26 AM (Spluw)
Obama Trolls GOP Invites Illegal Alien To Be His Guest of Honor At State Of The Union Address
Weasel Zippers
???Does the illegal have security clearance?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2015 11:27 AM (Zmw74)
Discussing such matters is far easier here, than living it and
surviving it. Further, I understand that at several points, things got
savage, as when after Malmedy soldiers refused to surrender and refuse
to accept it, especially SS. It happened in the Pacific. A lot.
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:24 AM (Spluw)
It's all situational, and you never know what you'll do until 1/2 a second before you do it. So it was actually unfair of me to present a nonsense scenario.
And actually, normally I assign people the MOS of "1 Delta 1 Oscar Tango" when they pontificate on things like this. I fell into the trap. Bloody hell.
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:29 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:26 AM (Spluw)
for every round fired or bomb dropped there's 80 lawyers charging $80/hour to determine if it was "justified."
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:31 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: TangoNine
Airstrike?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2015 11:32 AM (d20MQ)
"First thing we do is we kill all the lawyers"
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:32 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:33 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: A disgusted rabbit at January 20, 2015 11:26 AM (Spluw)
Well, I noticed that most of those on your side of the argument went first to name calling and casting aspersions on my intelligence and my political leanings. What does that say for their argument?
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 11:35 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: TangoNine at January 20, 2015 11:36 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2015 11:37 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: @PeeteySDee at January 20, 2015 11:40 AM (ir3Yt)
It is often the case that we can look at ourselves and our enemy and notice some apparent similarities. Noticing these similarities is not a crime in itself. The conclusion that follows, however, can be. Such as..."We are just as bad as they are" (The Liberal asshole conclusion.)
They fail to recognize that the real difference is that we are the good guys, and they are the bad guys. I was just trying to make the point that there is nothing inherently wrong with the initial observation as long as you come to the 2nd conclusion.
Posted by: Donkey at January 20, 2015 11:41 AM (Ggh94)
Posted by: Donkey at January 20, 2015 11:41 AM (Ggh94)
Point taken. IMHO, we are ALWAYS the good guys. But trying to pretend war is anything but what it is, is a rationalization, and changes none of the facts, it just makes people feel better about it.
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Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)