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Shock: Socialist President To Propose Gouging "The Wealthy"
I'm taking off today -- to do any other would be Racist -- and it's a slow news day anyway.
But the big news is that, surprise, the socialist president approves of socialism.Comments
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Oneth?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:27 PM (0HooB)
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Imagine that....
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 12:27 PM (nL0sw)
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Gettin' Corgis, brb...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:27 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:27 PM (GqEzX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:27 PM (IXrOn)
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Alert the media!
Posted by: jwpaine at January 19, 2015 12:28 PM (a3NCX)
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Yeah, they say now for people earning over $500k. By the time they get done, it'll be for people earning over $50k.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 12:28 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: pep at January 19, 2015 12:29 PM (4nR9/)
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You can't tax the Welfare class.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 19, 2015 12:29 PM (ws1Wn)
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And guess who is "teh Wealthy"?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:29 PM (0HooB)
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Congratulations. You're all wealthy now.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 19, 2015 12:29 PM (ws1Wn)
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High income taxes don't punish people who are already rich. They keep people from becoming rich. It's why billionaires back Obama, they've already got theirs. This cements them at the top.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 12:30 PM (FnCKN)
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"The top capital gains rate would rise to 28% from 23.8%."
So... those of us that have saved for retirement will be getting a 17.6% tax hike on withdrawal income?
So... those of us that have saved for retirement will be getting a 17.6% tax hike on withdrawal income?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:30 PM (GqEzX)
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Fly, be free. I'll be grinding away, joyfully paying my fair share.
Posted by: duke at January 19, 2015 12:30 PM (ChY2Q)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:31 PM (IXrOn)
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I like it when the Left lectures me that we can't call Obama Socialist unless he proposes to ban all private property.
Like a guy goes around turning off all the lights and I say, he seems Anti-Light, and then get yelled that you at, you can't call him Anti-Light cause he hasn't turned all the lights off.
Everything he does is to increase the amount of Socialism we have. And we already have a bunch.
Like a guy goes around turning off all the lights and I say, he seems Anti-Light, and then get yelled that you at, you can't call him Anti-Light cause he hasn't turned all the lights off.
Everything he does is to increase the amount of Socialism we have. And we already have a bunch.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 19, 2015 12:31 PM (ZPrif)
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#13?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 12:31 PM (R8hU8)
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Preparing your liver for TFG's SOTU speech, Ace?
It's like a muscle, you need to exercise it to keep it tip top shape.
It's like a muscle, you need to exercise it to keep it tip top shape.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:31 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:31 PM (XzRw1)
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And the GOP will cave of course. It's as if 2010 and 2014 never happened.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 12:31 PM (0LHZx)
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Color me shocked.
Wait - that's racist to say, isn't it?
Ace, since you're not working, you can go hang out with the BlackBrunch crowd & just pull a chair up to a diner's table, then stare at them smugly. You know, to "make them uncomfortable."
Yes, BTW, They're doing this now.
Wait - that's racist to say, isn't it?
Ace, since you're not working, you can go hang out with the BlackBrunch crowd & just pull a chair up to a diner's table, then stare at them smugly. You know, to "make them uncomfortable."
Yes, BTW, They're doing this now.
Posted by: shredded chi at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM (RhmeP)
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He can't touch me. Being First Nation I'm exempt.
Posted by: Cher at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM (5voqw)
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He can propose but congress will depose. He has zero chance of getting this through and he knows that. This is him vomiting up propaganda for his base. And there is no hive of stupidy and ignorance in the known galaxy than his base.
Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM (IXrOn)
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It's odd that most Republicans won't call him Socialist. Why not? Cause the media will mock them, apparently. So what? The media is gonna mock Republicans regardless.
How many Republican elected officials have ever called Obama a Socialist or Marxist?
How many Republican elected officials have ever called Obama a Socialist or Marxist?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM (ZPrif)
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Shock: Socialist President To Propose Gouging "The Wealthy"
If he'd been bothered to go to France, he would have found out what a disaster the 75% tax rate has been.
If he'd been bothered to go to France, he would have found out what a disaster the 75% tax rate has been.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM (d20MQ)
Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM (DL2i+)
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In California we celebrated the very 1st MLK day. Threw a 6.7 earthquake.
Posted by: HH at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (Ce4DF)
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Oh. And further down the HA post > 529 savings withdrawals will no longer be tax-free.
NR makes a good point. That free college that has been bandied about... Guess how it will be paid for?
NR makes a good point. That free college that has been bandied about... Guess how it will be paid for?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (GqEzX)
Posted by: jwpaine at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (a3NCX)
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13 "The top capital gains rate would rise to 28% from 23.8%."
So... those of us that have saved for retirement will be getting a 17.6% tax hike on withdrawal income?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:30 PM (GqEzX)
____________
You saved for retirement? Sucker.
So... those of us that have saved for retirement will be getting a 17.6% tax hike on withdrawal income?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:30 PM (GqEzX)
____________
You saved for retirement? Sucker.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (0LHZx)
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#7 is the winner. Anyone making 6 figs, regardless of how many years you've gone without taking a sick day, regardless of whether you risked your future on going big, regardless of whether that month two years ago when you took a weeklong international vacation you STILL averaged 45 hours worked per week... you're the devil.
I work four times as hard as people who make three fifths what I do, but I'm the bad guy. Got it.
I work four times as hard as people who make three fifths what I do, but I'm the bad guy. Got it.
Posted by: 0302 at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (N6eLE)
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#7 is the winner. Anyone making 6 figs, regardless of how many years you've gone without taking a sick day, regardless of whether you risked your future on going big, regardless of whether that month two years ago when you took a weeklong international vacation you STILL averaged 45 hours worked per week... you're the devil.
I work four times as hard as people who make three fifths what I do, but I'm the bad guy. Got it.
I work four times as hard as people who make three fifths what I do, but I'm the bad guy. Got it.
Posted by: 0302 at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (N6eLE)
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I have a dream that one day my children will be judged by the quality of the blogs they follow and not by their political party affiliation.
Posted by: mindful webworker king at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (AKYZm)
Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (DL2i+)
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"The top capital gains rate would rise to 28% from 23.8%."
--
Which, coincidentally, matches the rate on earned income for the middle class. Thus, no need to invest or save - just let the government create jobs, like they have always done.
"The top capital gains rate would rise to 28% from 23.8%."
--
Which, coincidentally, matches the rate on earned income for the middle class. Thus, no need to invest or save - just let the government create jobs, like they have always done.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (eW+UG)
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Martina Luther King?
Posted by: Fritz at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (dVmLD)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (IXrOn)
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Every word coming out of his mouth is campaign rhetoric. The Progs have well and truly screwed the working man and the middle class generally, so now its time for the demagoguery to kick in and persuade the voters they shouldn't believe their lyin' eyes.
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (6um35)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (7ObY1)
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This speech is the official end for Obama's presidency. He's proposing things he knows won't go anywhere, in order to set the table for (or possibly poison the well for) the Dems in '16. It will be completely predictable, including the clapping seals on the Dem side of the aisle and scowling GOP on the other. There is more suspense among the mannequins in a storefront.
From here forward, his presidency will consist of dropping turds in the punchbowl. The media, of course, will swoon over each and every one.
I'm a political junkie, and I have no intention of watching even a second of it.
From here forward, his presidency will consist of dropping turds in the punchbowl. The media, of course, will swoon over each and every one.
I'm a political junkie, and I have no intention of watching even a second of it.
Posted by: pep at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (4nR9/)
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#13?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 12:31 PM (R8hU
I'm no tax expert but wouldn't income from investments (IRA's, 401k's etc) be considered capital gains?
#13?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 12:31 PM (R8hU
I'm no tax expert but wouldn't income from investments (IRA's, 401k's etc) be considered capital gains?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (GqEzX)
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remember Bill Clinton's tax increase in 1993? Affected some people making as little as 20K a year (because if you owned a home you had imputed income from paying rent to yourself?) Anyway, how can two year college be free for everyone if someone without a trust fund doesn't pay for it?
Next up? mandatory gov't sponsored retirement savings accounts? Hurrah for our know-it-all caring and selfless betters.
Next up? mandatory gov't sponsored retirement savings accounts? Hurrah for our know-it-all caring and selfless betters.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (bJm7W)
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I have a dream that one day my children will be judged by the quality of the blogs they follow and not by their political party affiliation.
Posted by: mindful webworker king at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (AKYZm)
hehe
Posted by: mindful webworker king at January 19, 2015 12:33 PM (AKYZm)
hehe
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (IXrOn)
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My company must be rayciss, making me work today and all.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (XzRw1)
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Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (kff5f)
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So 43 million people don't get any "sick days"? Yeah bullshit. That's because most companies now just give straight PTO days. So if I get 20 PTO days a year, I'm one of those 43 million, since technically I get zero "sick days".
Poor fucking me. Save me Barack!!
Poor fucking me. Save me Barack!!
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 12:36 PM (0LHZx)
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Can stop eating my Tomato Bisque with Shrimp.
Warm's the tummy and the soul.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM
Om, nom, nom.
Just used the last of my mincemeat to make a muffin tin full of little individual pies. The house smells amazing. Off to put the turkey carcase in a stock pot...
*and this turns into a food thread in 3...2...1...*
Warm's the tummy and the soul.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:32 PM
Om, nom, nom.
Just used the last of my mincemeat to make a muffin tin full of little individual pies. The house smells amazing. Off to put the turkey carcase in a stock pot...
*and this turns into a food thread in 3...2...1...*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2015 12:36 PM (duJ4X)
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I'm no tax expert but wouldn't income from investments (IRA's, 401k's etc) be considered capital gains?
Yeah. The Capitol gains. You lose.
Yeah. The Capitol gains. You lose.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:36 PM (d20MQ)
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Office I worked in never closed for this holiday.
Posted by: Carol at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (sj3Ax)
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46 WTF is a 'youtube star?'
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (XzRw1)
*waves*
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (XzRw1)
*waves*
Posted by: Leeroy Jenkins at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (vgIRn)
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his presidency will consist of dropping turds in the punchbowl.
He's actually pretty good at this job.
He's actually pretty good at this job.
Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (DL2i+)
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Next thing you'll tell us is Obama's free healthcare will cost us much more than we could have guessed.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (Dj0WE)
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46 On FNC now: Preezy will 'chat' with 'youtube stars' after his SOTU.
I hope Grumpy Cat gets in a few tough questions.
I hope Grumpy Cat gets in a few tough questions.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (7ObY1)
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How many Republican elected officials have ever called Obama a Socialist or Marxist?
He campaigns as a Marxist but he governs as more of a fascist. You can keep your business if you let the government dictate how it runs. Except fascists usually like a strong military.
He campaigns as a Marxist but he governs as more of a fascist. You can keep your business if you let the government dictate how it runs. Except fascists usually like a strong military.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (FnCKN)
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Just used the last of my mincemeat to make a muffin tin full of little individual pies. The house smells amazing. Off to put the turkey carcase in a stock pot...
*and this turns into a food thread in 3...2...1...*
.45 acp! .223! .308!
*and this turns into a food thread in 3...2...1...*
.45 acp! .223! .308!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (d20MQ)
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his speech is the official end for Obama's presidency. He's proposing things he knows won't go anywhere,
__________
I dunno about that. I can see free college going somewhere and I can definitely see a tax increase on evil rich (mainly white) people going somewhere too.
Remember Boehner and Co. raised the top tax rate from 35 to 39.6 in 2013.
__________
I dunno about that. I can see free college going somewhere and I can definitely see a tax increase on evil rich (mainly white) people going somewhere too.
Remember Boehner and Co. raised the top tax rate from 35 to 39.6 in 2013.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (0LHZx)
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So, since we have a smart, organized opposition party in the Republican party they would be proposing new taxes on windfall lawsuit earnings for lawyers and a massive new tax on Hollywood...right?
Oh I crack myself up.
Oh I crack myself up.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2015 12:38 PM (78TbK)
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They call me the working man,
I guess that's what I am
I guess that's what I am
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 12:38 PM (7ObY1)
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I remember when Ace was unsure the "socialist" label was accurate for da Zero, but I believe he has come around.
Posted by: maddogg at January 19, 2015 12:38 PM (xWW96)
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Every word coming out of his mouth is campaign rhetoric. The Progs have well and truly screwed the working man and the middle class generally, so now its time for the demagoguery to kick in and persuade the voters they shouldn't believe their lyin' eyes.
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (6um35)
yep
like this
NY Times Editorial Page Defends IRS in Tea Party Targeting Scandal -- 'Democratic Groups.....Also Scrutinized'
....The slashed budget is a victory for penny-wise-and-pound-foolish politicians. It amounts to payback demanded by House Republicans to penalize the I.R.S. for daring to scrutinize Tea Party operations that tried to claim exemptions under the tax code for nonpolitical groups. Democratic groups trying the same thing were also scrutinized. ...
newsbusters.org
and they will believe it
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (6um35)
yep
like this
NY Times Editorial Page Defends IRS in Tea Party Targeting Scandal -- 'Democratic Groups.....Also Scrutinized'
....The slashed budget is a victory for penny-wise-and-pound-foolish politicians. It amounts to payback demanded by House Republicans to penalize the I.R.S. for daring to scrutinize Tea Party operations that tried to claim exemptions under the tax code for nonpolitical groups. Democratic groups trying the same thing were also scrutinized. ...
newsbusters.org
and they will believe it
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:38 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Samwell at January 19, 2015 12:39 PM (Dj0WE)
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12
High income taxes don't punish people who are already rich. They keep
people from becoming rich. It's why billionaires back Obama, they've
already got theirs. This cements them at the top.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 12:30 PM (FnCKN)
Unless they change it this new tax is not on earned income. It is on capitol gains and inheritance taxes.
High income taxes don't punish people who are already rich. They keep
people from becoming rich. It's why billionaires back Obama, they've
already got theirs. This cements them at the top.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 12:30 PM (FnCKN)
Unless they change it this new tax is not on earned income. It is on capitol gains and inheritance taxes.
Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2015 12:39 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:39 PM (IXrOn)
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mandatory gov't sponsored retirement savings accounts
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (bJm7W)
It's called Social Security.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (bJm7W)
It's called Social Security.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2015 12:39 PM (Zu3d9)
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He campaigns as a Marxist but he governs as more of a fascist. You can
keep your business if you let the government dictate how it runs. Except
fascists usually like a strong military.
***
The left recovered from the collapse of communism only in the late 90s...when they found that fascism, the more pragmatic heretical version of socialism, can actually generate enough goods and services to keep the populace fat and happy.
keep your business if you let the government dictate how it runs. Except
fascists usually like a strong military.
***
The left recovered from the collapse of communism only in the late 90s...when they found that fascism, the more pragmatic heretical version of socialism, can actually generate enough goods and services to keep the populace fat and happy.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2015 12:39 PM (78TbK)
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Obama is going to war with the Gop, either overtly or covertly. If the republicans are unable or unwilling to effectively fight back and make 'running out the game clock' their strategy, they're going to be in for a big surprise when a sudden rules change puts the game into overtime over disputed calls by the referees over the air pressure in game balls.
Posted by: Impetuous Chong at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (jnpRd)
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*and this turns into a food thread in 3...2...1...*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2015 12:36 PM (duJ4X)
Well, it is lunchtime... Which was ham and lentil soup for me. Stuff looks like mud but tastes delicious.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2015 12:36 PM (duJ4X)
Well, it is lunchtime... Which was ham and lentil soup for me. Stuff looks like mud but tastes delicious.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (ThxKk)
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So, responsible middle class individuals who are saving for their "retirement" via the stock market will be hit.
/nice. Betcha that O's friends in Hollywood won't be hurt by this though. Or the "Soros" crowd.
/nice. Betcha that O's friends in Hollywood won't be hurt by this though. Or the "Soros" crowd.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (LeFwz)
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I dunno about that. I can see free college going somewhere and I can
definitely see a tax increase on evil rich (mainly white) people going
somewhere too.
Remember Boehner and Co. raised the top tax rate from 35 to 39.6 in 2013.
Not gonna happen. Yes, argument by assertion, but come on, there is NO interest in any of that on the GOP side.
I assume they're going to screw us on amnesty. They think fighting obvious no-brainers like free college and higher taxes will endear them to us and make us forgive them. They're wrong, but that's what they think.
definitely see a tax increase on evil rich (mainly white) people going
somewhere too.
Remember Boehner and Co. raised the top tax rate from 35 to 39.6 in 2013.
Not gonna happen. Yes, argument by assertion, but come on, there is NO interest in any of that on the GOP side.
I assume they're going to screw us on amnesty. They think fighting obvious no-brainers like free college and higher taxes will endear them to us and make us forgive them. They're wrong, but that's what they think.
Posted by: pep at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (4nR9/)
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Communists gotta communist, I guess.
I was going to say "I miss free enterprise," but I realize free enterprise was mostly dead when I was a child.
I was going to say "I miss free enterprise," but I realize free enterprise was mostly dead when I was a child.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (kff5f)
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Stalin and Lenin would be proud of Fredo's last 2 years. He will try to go full commie and push the constitution as far as the whimps in Congress will let him. Hang onto your asses
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (Zmw74)
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.45 acp! .223! .308!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (d20MQ)
Robert E. Lee was a lousy strategic general.
Longbows!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (d20MQ)
Robert E. Lee was a lousy strategic general.
Longbows!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (Zu3d9)
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>>>Preezy will 'chat' with 'youtube stars' after his SOTU. WTF is a 'youtube star?'<<<
Barry is looking for a new way to revive that old magic, like the King. Not Martin Luther, baby, Elvis.
youtube.com/watch?v=OWIdWTk9aZI
Barry is looking for a new way to revive that old magic, like the King. Not Martin Luther, baby, Elvis.
youtube.com/watch?v=OWIdWTk9aZI
Posted by: Fritz at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (dVmLD)
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*and this turns into a food thread in 3...2...1...*
Food Thread + Political Thread = epic number of comments imho
Food Thread + Political Thread = epic number of comments imho
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (IXrOn)
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mandatory gov't sponsored retirement savings accounts
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (bJm7W)
It's called Social Security.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2015 12:39 PM (Zu3d9)
Mandatory MyRA coming soon.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (bJm7W)
It's called Social Security.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2015 12:39 PM (Zu3d9)
Mandatory MyRA coming soon.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (GqEzX)
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I'd still like to see some congresscritters walk into TFG's SOTU speech with a grocery bag full of booze, some shot glasses, some cigars and a few newspapers.
Then start partying and ignoring the propaganda, loudly.
Then start partying and ignoring the propaganda, loudly.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: maddogg at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 12:42 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2015 12:42 PM (Zu3d9)
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Damn it, Barry! I said "you two boobs", not "youtube boobs"!
Posted by: Jarrett the Ferrett at January 19, 2015 12:42 PM (a3NCX)
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On FNC now: Preezy will 'chat' with 'youtube stars' after his SOTU. WTF is a 'youtube star?'
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (XzRw1)
*swoon*
he's such a social media genius!
he's knows how to use da tec
isn't he cool?!
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:35 PM (XzRw1)
*swoon*
he's such a social media genius!
he's knows how to use da tec
isn't he cool?!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:42 PM (IXrOn)
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If you make enough money AND donate to the Democrat party, you are no longer considered "The Wealthy".
Posted by: Roy at January 19, 2015 12:43 PM (fWLrt)
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Except fascists usually like a strong military.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (FnCKN)
Oh, make no mistake about it, he likes a strong military. He just wants one with the same politics that he has; maybe a civilian force just as well-funded as the military. In the meantime, the current military, filled with toofless redneck reichwingers, has to go.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (FnCKN)
Oh, make no mistake about it, he likes a strong military. He just wants one with the same politics that he has; maybe a civilian force just as well-funded as the military. In the meantime, the current military, filled with toofless redneck reichwingers, has to go.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 12:43 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: maddogg at January 19, 2015 12:43 PM (xWW96)
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Let me be clear, as I have always said, America's got a problem with, uh, inequality.
Like, uh, some people get a paycheck and some people don't. Now, uh, some people say that's because, uh, you shouldn't get a paycheck if you don't work.
Well, I think as a people we recognize everyone should get a paycheck.
And I'm gonna, uh, make sure that, uh, everyone gets a paycheck, uh, because you deserve it, uh, if you work or not.
Like, uh, some people get a paycheck and some people don't. Now, uh, some people say that's because, uh, you shouldn't get a paycheck if you don't work.
Well, I think as a people we recognize everyone should get a paycheck.
And I'm gonna, uh, make sure that, uh, everyone gets a paycheck, uh, because you deserve it, uh, if you work or not.
Posted by: Obama's SOTU at January 19, 2015 12:43 PM (78TbK)
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I'd still like to see some congresscritters walk into
TFG's SOTU speech with a grocery bag full of booze, some shot glasses,
some cigars and a few newspapers.
Then start partying and ignoring the propaganda, loudly.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (0HooB)
That's better than my suggestion, that they should simply turn their chairs around and face away from the podium. See how the Narcissist in Chief reacts to that.
TFG's SOTU speech with a grocery bag full of booze, some shot glasses,
some cigars and a few newspapers.
Then start partying and ignoring the propaganda, loudly.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (0HooB)
That's better than my suggestion, that they should simply turn their chairs around and face away from the podium. See how the Narcissist in Chief reacts to that.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (ThxKk)
Posted by: RolandTHTG at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (QM5S2)
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Unless they change it this new tax is not on earned income. It is on capitol gains and inheritance taxes.
Capital gains might be an issue (so expect to see it s-canned), but inheritance taxes are also something only those who are "almost rich" pay. The rich already have everything in trusts and other forms which are exempt from inheritance taxes. The poor don't leave enough to trigger the inheritance tax. So only those trying to advance themselves (and their children) get hit with them.
Capital gains might be an issue (so expect to see it s-canned), but inheritance taxes are also something only those who are "almost rich" pay. The rich already have everything in trusts and other forms which are exempt from inheritance taxes. The poor don't leave enough to trigger the inheritance tax. So only those trying to advance themselves (and their children) get hit with them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (kff5f)
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Then start partying and ignoring the propaganda, loudly.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (0HooB)
Or playing Online Poker...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (0HooB)
Or playing Online Poker...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (IXrOn)
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>>On FNC now: Preezy will 'chat' with 'youtube stars' after his SOTU. WTF is a 'youtube star?'
LIV-bait. Apparently one of them makes videos about selecting the proper undergarments or...something.
Did you also see the WH's "Big Block of Cheese Day" promotion?
I thought it was bad enough that they made a video about it w/a lot of the "West Wng" stars - and then I read that this was actually something that Pres. Barlett did in season one of the show.
We.Are.So.Screwed.
LIV-bait. Apparently one of them makes videos about selecting the proper undergarments or...something.
Did you also see the WH's "Big Block of Cheese Day" promotion?
I thought it was bad enough that they made a video about it w/a lot of the "West Wng" stars - and then I read that this was actually something that Pres. Barlett did in season one of the show.
We.Are.So.Screwed.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (ABcz/)
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How will the Pope delight us this week? Priests can marry? Women can become priests? Mainlining heroin is perfectly ok per the Bible?
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (XzRw1)
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85 If you make enough money AND donate to the Democrat party, you are no longer considered "The Wealthy".
And likewise, if you make rayciss statements AND donate to the Democrat Party, you are no longer considered to be rayciss.
Amazing how this stuff works.
And likewise, if you make rayciss statements AND donate to the Democrat Party, you are no longer considered to be rayciss.
Amazing how this stuff works.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (7ObY1)
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I'm a lifelong Republican, but I agree that it's time for the rich folks to pay their fair share. The struggles of the middle-class started with the Bush tax cuts several years ago.
The extremists will oppose any idea which helps working families, but I call on my GOP leadership to reject the cynical policies of the past and support bi-partisan tax reform.
The extremists will oppose any idea which helps working families, but I call on my GOP leadership to reject the cynical policies of the past and support bi-partisan tax reform.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (Ks4nX)
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He's going to tax only the rich and, congratulations, you're rich.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (LImiJ)
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The SCOAMF's thinking on this infuriates me.
Most good people, not just the wealthy, want to help their children get off to a good start.
With some financial education, hard work and focus those middle income earners that the bullshitter in chief claims to care about can leave something behind for their children.
And that worthless man in the White House, that man who hasn't done five minutes of honest work in his life, that entitle, arrogant, useless piece of trash wants to take that away from them.
May he and Michelle end their lives and poverty and may Malaria and Sclerosis actually have to work their own ways through life.
Most good people, not just the wealthy, want to help their children get off to a good start.
With some financial education, hard work and focus those middle income earners that the bullshitter in chief claims to care about can leave something behind for their children.
And that worthless man in the White House, that man who hasn't done five minutes of honest work in his life, that entitle, arrogant, useless piece of trash wants to take that away from them.
May he and Michelle end their lives and poverty and may Malaria and Sclerosis actually have to work their own ways through life.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (AkoL+)
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Posted by: Impetuous Chong at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (jnpRd)
And the GOPe Generals??? Boehner and McConnell????
We have the EXACT same problem that led Lincoln to eventually choose the DRUNK Grant...
He had to find someone who would FIGHT...
And the GOPe Generals??? Boehner and McConnell????
We have the EXACT same problem that led Lincoln to eventually choose the DRUNK Grant...
He had to find someone who would FIGHT...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (qh617)
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That's better than my suggestion, that they should simply turn their chairs around and face away from the podium. See how the Narcissist in Chief reacts to that.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (ThxKk)
oh, nice one
Or they could just stay home and watch sports.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (ThxKk)
oh, nice one
Or they could just stay home and watch sports.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (IXrOn)
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Then start partying and ignoring the propaganda, loudly.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (0HooB)
Bring the SOTU Bingo and SOTU Drinking Game cards, and play both.
"And so I propose free..."
"DRINK!!!"
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (0HooB)
Bring the SOTU Bingo and SOTU Drinking Game cards, and play both.
"And so I propose free..."
"DRINK!!!"
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (kff5f)
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I'm no tax expert but wouldn't income from investments (IRA's, 401k's etc) be considered capital gains?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (GqEzX)
___________
No. Retirement account income is taxed as ordinary income, not investment income.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (GqEzX)
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No. Retirement account income is taxed as ordinary income, not investment income.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (0LHZx)
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I adamire the .308. Not a fan of the varmint cartridge or the low penetration of the .45 acp.
Posted by: maddogg at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (xWW96)
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Hillary! supercut (sidebar) is pretty good, except it isn't su much as funny as really how she sounds every time she opens her mouth.
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (6um35)
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I denounce myself for that preceding rant.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (AkoL+)
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I think it is fair if the rich pay their fair share, for fairness
Posted by: Mary Clogenstien from a goat farm/dairy in Vermont at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (q+zA9)
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Then start partying and ignoring the propaganda, loudly.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM
SOTU bingo cards. "Let me be clear", "as I've always said", "folks", etc.
"Now, all I'm asking is the wealthiest folks--"
*from R side of the aisle* "BINGO!"
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM
SOTU bingo cards. "Let me be clear", "as I've always said", "folks", etc.
"Now, all I'm asking is the wealthiest folks--"
*from R side of the aisle* "BINGO!"
Posted by: Secundus at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (pPqrj)
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Not a big fan of Noah "pro-gay marriage, anti-borders" Rothman. Populism is getting play because there isn't a party that seems to worry about the working class in the country. If the Republicans actually put forth an American agenda they would get some traction. Instead they worried about some obscure Dodd-Frank rules after the election that played into the "Republicans only care about the rich" theme.
So, of course Obama is doing this. It isn't a surprise. The problem is the Republicans aren't going to offer anything (border security only, trying to get some manufacturing back in the country, etc) that repudiates him. They'll just do a better "free" community college plan.
So, of course Obama is doing this. It isn't a surprise. The problem is the Republicans aren't going to offer anything (border security only, trying to get some manufacturing back in the country, etc) that repudiates him. They'll just do a better "free" community college plan.
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (nRvEn)
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Posted by: Northernlurker at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (AkoL+)
Yes. Destroy those who are responsible, for those that are not.
Yes. Destroy those who are responsible, for those that are not.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: kj at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (lKyWE)
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Posted by: Northernlurker at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (AkoL+)
Its a deeper pathology...
They truly believe that everything belongs to the State.
Thus, you have no RIGHT to give it to your children...
Its a deeper pathology...
They truly believe that everything belongs to the State.
Thus, you have no RIGHT to give it to your children...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (qh617)
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We wos robbed.
Ft. Sumter was a false flag operation.
There were chemtrails overhead. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
Ft. Sumter was a false flag operation.
There were chemtrails overhead. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
Posted by: The Paulbots at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (7ObY1)
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42 I'm no tax expert but wouldn't income from investments (IRA's, 401k's etc) be considered capital gains?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (GqEzX)
No, there are several categories of taxable money that you get.
1. Earned income - normal salary for most of America2. Interest and dividends - money you get from interest on savings accounts and other interest bearing accounts. Dividends are money from stocks and stock type accounts. These are generally taxed at a lower rate than earned income.
3. Inherited income. This is money and assets you receive through inheritance. The federal threshold for this is so high that most people never hit it. However, it is hard on the "family" farm unless the owner takes steps to limit the tax liability.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:34 PM (GqEzX)
No, there are several categories of taxable money that you get.
1. Earned income - normal salary for most of America2. Interest and dividends - money you get from interest on savings accounts and other interest bearing accounts. Dividends are money from stocks and stock type accounts. These are generally taxed at a lower rate than earned income.
3. Inherited income. This is money and assets you receive through inheritance. The federal threshold for this is so high that most people never hit it. However, it is hard on the "family" farm unless the owner takes steps to limit the tax liability.
Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (wlDny)
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Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (kff5f)
DAMMIT you beat me to it.
*shakes impotent digital fist*
DAMMIT you beat me to it.
*shakes impotent digital fist*
Posted by: Secundus at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (pPqrj)
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Socialism creates the necessary condition for more socialism.
Once you kill off the expectation (particularly in the young and inexperienced) that you can improve your circumstances by hard work and smarts, you create a class of people who believe "the rich" are simply a hereditary class that they can never join.
And so taking their stuff by force gains legitimacy.
Its Hopelessness and Change
Once you kill off the expectation (particularly in the young and inexperienced) that you can improve your circumstances by hard work and smarts, you create a class of people who believe "the rich" are simply a hereditary class that they can never join.
And so taking their stuff by force gains legitimacy.
Its Hopelessness and Change
Posted by: NYC Parent at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (HEo6y)
Posted by: Mrs. Canckles at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (q+zA9)
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56 How many Republican elected officials have ever called Obama a Socialist or Marxist?
He campaigns as a Marxist but he governs as more of a fascist. You can keep your business if you let the government dictate how it runs. Except fascists usually like a strong military.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (FnCKN)
He is the world's first passive-aggressive dictatorial tyrant.
He campaigns as a Marxist but he governs as more of a fascist. You can keep your business if you let the government dictate how it runs. Except fascists usually like a strong military.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 12:37 PM (FnCKN)
He is the world's first passive-aggressive dictatorial tyrant.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (b4b5c)
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I suppose we should be happy he didn't choose Smosh as one of his YouTube "interviewers."
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (0HooB)
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You can't tax the Welfare class.
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Actually, why not?
Why not treat welfare and all government benefits as taxable income?
One of the core problems we have right now is that a certain percentage of the population draws income from the government and pays no taxes so they have NO incentive to ever oppose tax increases.
And ironically welfare often much, much better then the sort of jobs that people with few skills can get keeping them on welfare out of rational self interest.
Perhaps if you extend Obama's draconian tax regime to everyone you might see a change...
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Actually, why not?
Why not treat welfare and all government benefits as taxable income?
One of the core problems we have right now is that a certain percentage of the population draws income from the government and pays no taxes so they have NO incentive to ever oppose tax increases.
And ironically welfare often much, much better then the sort of jobs that people with few skills can get keeping them on welfare out of rational self interest.
Perhaps if you extend Obama's draconian tax regime to everyone you might see a change...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (IXrOn)
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Oh Boy! We're gonna re-fight the War Between the States!
Posted by: Citizen X
You mean the War of Northern Aggression.....
Oh Boy! We're gonna re-fight the War Between the States!
Posted by: Citizen X
You mean the War of Northern Aggression.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (kdS6q)
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How will the Pope delight us this week? Priests can marry? Women can
become priests? Mainlining heroin is perfectly ok per the Bible?
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility
I can't say I have any problem with 1 or 2, but then I'm not Catholic.
How will the Pope delight us this week? Priests can marry? Women can
become priests? Mainlining heroin is perfectly ok per the Bible?
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility
I can't say I have any problem with 1 or 2, but then I'm not Catholic.
Posted by: pep at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (4nR9/)
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I saw that TFG is trying to get people to watch SOTU at WH Gov website. So that they don't see Joni Ernst rebuttal.
Posted by: Carol at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (sj3Ax)
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Not gonna happen. Yes, argument by assertion, but come on, there is NO interest in any of that on the GOP side.
Posted by: pep at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (4nR9/)
_________
This whole insanity is modeled after the TN plan which is a state run by Republicans. Just cuz you have an "R" next to your name doesn't mean you can't support communism.
Posted by: pep at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (4nR9/)
_________
This whole insanity is modeled after the TN plan which is a state run by Republicans. Just cuz you have an "R" next to your name doesn't mean you can't support communism.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (7ObY1)
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Posted by: Northernlurker at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (AkoL+)
Well, yeah. This is one of the Great Lies of the Left.
If they admit that you can advance yourself through industry, economy, and sober living, suddenly their whole "you are a victim!" sales pitch falls apart.
Well, yeah. This is one of the Great Lies of the Left.
If they admit that you can advance yourself through industry, economy, and sober living, suddenly their whole "you are a victim!" sales pitch falls apart.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:48 PM (kff5f)
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Oops left out capitol gains. Money you get from sale of an asset. These can be offset by capitol losses. These are also taxed at a different rate if you have owned them "long term" which changes from year to year.
Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2015 12:48 PM (wlDny)
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Or they could just stay home and watch sports.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (IXrOn)
That would be ideal, only the media would crucify them for not showing up. Oh, who am I kidding; they're going to get crucified by the media anyway, no matter what they do. Which should be an invitation to go full conservative and actually get something done, but these idiots wouldn't know conservative if it bit them in the ass.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:45 PM (IXrOn)
That would be ideal, only the media would crucify them for not showing up. Oh, who am I kidding; they're going to get crucified by the media anyway, no matter what they do. Which should be an invitation to go full conservative and actually get something done, but these idiots wouldn't know conservative if it bit them in the ass.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 12:48 PM (ThxKk)
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Although, I think the Epic Rap Battles dudes could easily Barry Obama in oratory skills. They are clever *and* entertaining, unlike Obama.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 12:48 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 12:48 PM (LImiJ)
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There were chemtrails overhead. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
Posted by: The Paulbots at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (7ObY1)
as much as I watch RedEye, I still don't know what chemtrails are
guess I must look up...
Posted by: The Paulbots at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (7ObY1)
as much as I watch RedEye, I still don't know what chemtrails are
guess I must look up...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:48 PM (IXrOn)
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F*ck this f*cking f*cker and his f*cking friends. They could help a lot of people's incomes by NOT TAXING THE EVER-LIVING SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING!!!!! AAAARRRRRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!
*WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM*
*WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM*
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 12:48 PM (2Ojst)
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Since I don't have a vested (heh) interest in this program, I feel I am in the best position to point out that taxing the 529 college savings money before it goes into the fund and then taxing it again when it's withdrawn is a particularly charming twist.
This is the part where I note that I used to roll my eyes at the oh noes the Government is going to confiscate all private 401(k) type plans and put them in a government run fund and now I can't believe it hasn't happened yet.
This is the part where I note that I used to roll my eyes at the oh noes the Government is going to confiscate all private 401(k) type plans and put them in a government run fund and now I can't believe it hasn't happened yet.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at January 19, 2015 12:48 PM (IrByp)
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Speaking of the Big Lies, and Communism v Capitalism:
I'm surprised that CNN has given Mike Rowe a show- and that said show is apologetically pro-Capitalism.
I'm surprised that CNN has given Mike Rowe a show- and that said show is apologetically pro-Capitalism.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (kff5f)
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Not gonna happen. Yes, argument by assertion, but come on, there is NO interest in any of that on the GOP side. I assume they're going to screw us on amnesty. They think fighting obvious no-brainers like free college and higher taxes will endear them to us and make us forgive them. They're wrong, but that's what they think.
Posted by: pep at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (4nR9/)
Since the dipshits of the GOP have already talked about raising the gas tax, you are wrong.
Posted by: pep at January 19, 2015 12:40 PM (4nR9/)
Since the dipshits of the GOP have already talked about raising the gas tax, you are wrong.
Posted by: buzzion at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (zt+N6)
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If "warmest year on record" requires a drink, we'll be drunk ten minutes in.
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (6um35)
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We will bury you!
Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (EDYaR)
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There were chemtrails overhead. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
Posted by: The Paulbots at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (7ObY1)
Really? Oh shit!
*sets up vinegar and oscillating fan*
Posted by: The Paulbots at January 19, 2015 12:46 PM (7ObY1)
Really? Oh shit!
*sets up vinegar and oscillating fan*
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Mary Clogenstien from a goat farm/dairy in Vermont at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (q+zA9)
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He kicked a shitload of Yankee ass.
Posted by: maddogg at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (xWW96)
Yeah, how'd that work out for him?
Posted by: maddogg at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (xWW96)
Yeah, how'd that work out for him?
Posted by: jwpaine at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (a3NCX)
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The fact the GOP despises the middle class is conclusively proved by the fact that it refuses to enact legislation that never occurred to Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi when they were running things.
Posted by: Sec at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (4HYng)
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Heh, high school coach suspended for 2 games because his team beat their opponent by a score of 162-2. Usually I say "suck it up" when these stories come up, but that is ridiculous. It was 104-1 at halftime and they were still playing a full court press! Total dick move.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (2cS/G)
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The GOP ought to honor Joe Wilson before the speech. Give the guy a plaque or something.
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (6um35)
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Food Thread + Political Thread = epic number of comments imho
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A chicken in every pot!
Pot with every chicken dinner!
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A chicken in every pot!
Pot with every chicken dinner!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (d20MQ)
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I saw that TFG is trying to get people to watch SOTU at WH Gov website. So that they don't see Joni Ernst rebuttal.
Posted by: Carol at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (sj3Ax)
Sounds distinctly like a War on Women!
Posted by: Carol at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (sj3Ax)
Sounds distinctly like a War on Women!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (IXrOn)
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Why not treat welfare and all government benefits as taxable income?
And make everyone equal? *gasp*
And make everyone equal? *gasp*
Posted by: HR at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (ImIut)
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And likewise, if you make rayciss statements AND donate to the Democrat Party, you are no longer considered to be rayciss.
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Oh man the money is nice and all, and look I like ALL the ladies so I got no truck with racists, but you are missing the best part of being a Democrat man.
I can act like a frat boy from Rolling's Stones fears man and get away with it.
Amazingly there are some interns that aren't all that eager to, uh, take a tour of my office you know...at least at first...and that is why being a Democrat is the best thing ever.
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Oh man the money is nice and all, and look I like ALL the ladies so I got no truck with racists, but you are missing the best part of being a Democrat man.
I can act like a frat boy from Rolling's Stones fears man and get away with it.
Amazingly there are some interns that aren't all that eager to, uh, take a tour of my office you know...at least at first...and that is why being a Democrat is the best thing ever.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (78TbK)
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taxing the 529 college savings money before it goes into the fund and then taxing it again when it's withdrawn is a particularly charming twist.
You misspelled "evil."
Also, you missed some Delegation Doctrine talk earlier.
You misspelled "evil."
Also, you missed some Delegation Doctrine talk earlier.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (kff5f)
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143 Heh, high school coach suspended for 2 games because his team beat their opponent by a score of 162-2. Usually I say "suck it up" when these stories come up, but that is ridiculous. It was 104-1 at halftime and they were still playing a full court press! Total dick move.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (2cS/G)
Especially since they were playing the local School for the Blind.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (2cS/G)
Especially since they were playing the local School for the Blind.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 12:51 PM (2Ojst)
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9 You can't tax the Welfare class.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 19, 2015 12:29 PM (ws1Wn)
I think that that's exactly what we should do. Gross up their welfare payments, then tax them back down to right where they are now. They'll be in exactly the same situation they're now in, except they'll have had cash in their hands that they had to give to the government.
Even though they're not paying any net tax, they'll feel the pain of taxpayers, and hopefully carry that experience with them to the voting booth.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 19, 2015 12:29 PM (ws1Wn)
I think that that's exactly what we should do. Gross up their welfare payments, then tax them back down to right where they are now. They'll be in exactly the same situation they're now in, except they'll have had cash in their hands that they had to give to the government.
Even though they're not paying any net tax, they'll feel the pain of taxpayers, and hopefully carry that experience with them to the voting booth.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 19, 2015 12:51 PM (oKE6c)
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On FNC now: Preezy will 'chat' with 'youtube stars' after his SOTU. WTF is a 'youtube star?'
The Ultimate Hacker Challenge.
Please.
The Ultimate Hacker Challenge.
Please.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (IXrOn)
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Pot with every chicken dinner!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM
Don't knock it until you've tried it...
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM
Don't knock it until you've tried it...
Posted by: James Taylor at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (2Ayux)
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Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2015 12:47 PM (78TbK)
I could never figure out why Welfare isn't taxed...
But Military Pay is...
Hell.... wouldn't it make sense to lower all Federal Wages by the amount they would be taxed... then make them non taxable?
Instead of paying BILLION playing pass the Buck with tax money?
I could never figure out why Welfare isn't taxed...
But Military Pay is...
Hell.... wouldn't it make sense to lower all Federal Wages by the amount they would be taxed... then make them non taxable?
Instead of paying BILLION playing pass the Buck with tax money?
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Carol at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (sj3Ax)
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>>This is the part where I note that I used to roll my eyes at the oh noes
the Government is going to confiscate all private 401(k) type plans and
put them in a government run fund and now I can't believe it hasn't
happened yet.
Well, they certainly drafted a plan and had official discussions about it in 2010 (IIRC), so I wouldn't be surprised if the idea is resurrected some time before Obama leaves office. He might just be holding off until the very last minute to avoid the riots....
the Government is going to confiscate all private 401(k) type plans and
put them in a government run fund and now I can't believe it hasn't
happened yet.
Well, they certainly drafted a plan and had official discussions about it in 2010 (IIRC), so I wouldn't be surprised if the idea is resurrected some time before Obama leaves office. He might just be holding off until the very last minute to avoid the riots....
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: fluffy at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (Ua6T/)
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Since I don't have a vested (heh) interest in this program, I feel I am
in the best position to point out that taxing the 529 college savings
money before it goes into the fund and then taxing it again when it's
withdrawn is a particularly charming twist.
It's not fair some kids have shitty parents/aunts, so we need to punish the kids who don't.
I'm glad I never got around to setting up one of those for the kids, though. Procrastination finally pays off!
in the best position to point out that taxing the 529 college savings
money before it goes into the fund and then taxing it again when it's
withdrawn is a particularly charming twist.
It's not fair some kids have shitty parents/aunts, so we need to punish the kids who don't.
I'm glad I never got around to setting up one of those for the kids, though. Procrastination finally pays off!
Posted by: HR trinkt Bier at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (ImIut)
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The retirement savings crisis in America has brought us to this point: It's a near certainty that mandatory savings accounts are in the future of anyone with a full or part time job.
The world's largest investment firm BlackRock, with $4 trillion under management and a lot of weight to throw around, is the latest to sound the call. "We need a comprehensive solution to retirement savings that includes some form of mandatory retirement savings," CEO Laurence Fink said this week. He added that his firm has been agitating "quite noisily" for retirement overhaul and that going forward "we'll be louder as a firm."
Fink's call for mandatory savings accounts is in sync with other prominent thinkers in the retirement savings field. Alicia Munnell, director of the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College, is on record favoring these accounts. She says they should be designed to provide 20% of pre-retirement income. Munnell's colleague at the Center, Julie Agnew, in a study credits mandatory savings accounts in Australia for that country's "high individual saving rates and broad coverage at reasonably low cost to the government."
http://tinyurl.com/qygeq67
from business dot time dot com/2013/05/09/
mandatory savings accounts are coming your way
The world's largest investment firm BlackRock, with $4 trillion under management and a lot of weight to throw around, is the latest to sound the call. "We need a comprehensive solution to retirement savings that includes some form of mandatory retirement savings," CEO Laurence Fink said this week. He added that his firm has been agitating "quite noisily" for retirement overhaul and that going forward "we'll be louder as a firm."
Fink's call for mandatory savings accounts is in sync with other prominent thinkers in the retirement savings field. Alicia Munnell, director of the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College, is on record favoring these accounts. She says they should be designed to provide 20% of pre-retirement income. Munnell's colleague at the Center, Julie Agnew, in a study credits mandatory savings accounts in Australia for that country's "high individual saving rates and broad coverage at reasonably low cost to the government."
http://tinyurl.com/qygeq67
from business dot time dot com/2013/05/09/
mandatory savings accounts are coming your way
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (bJm7W)
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401K and IRA distributions are taxed at the ordinary income tax rate, since they weren't taxed at the time they were earned. After tax investments are taxed at the capital gains rate.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (eW+UG)
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Prophet Ace, it is Robert E Lee's Birthday, for God's sakes take off.
Maybe go up to West Point where he was the commandant?
Maybe go up to West Point where he was the commandant?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (0FSuD)
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How will the Pope delight us this week? Priests can marry? Women can become priests? Mainlining heroin is perfectly ok per the Bible?
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (XzRw1)
lol
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (XzRw1)
lol
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (IXrOn)
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This is why I love the internet. Until today I had never heard of Leeroy Jenkins. Then you read the comments below the video, and some nutbags are saying "if you don't understand what's going on, you have no idea why it's so funny.
No, numbnuts, you don't have to be a stupid online gamer loser to get it. In fact, that's what makes it even funnier for us non-gamers.
No, numbnuts, you don't have to be a stupid online gamer loser to get it. In fact, that's what makes it even funnier for us non-gamers.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 12:53 PM (GqEzX)
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How will the Pope delight us this week? Priests can marry?
***
I'd support this. Priestly celibacy is mostly the remnants of a political solution to the problem of landed church officials trying to give their temporal holding to their relatives...and to put it mildly this is not a real problem anymore...
***
I'd support this. Priestly celibacy is mostly the remnants of a political solution to the problem of landed church officials trying to give their temporal holding to their relatives...and to put it mildly this is not a real problem anymore...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2015 12:53 PM (78TbK)
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Right after the speech the words "Elizabeth Warren and Tom Steyer approved this speech" will appear, in compliance with FEC requirements.
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:53 PM (6um35)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (TPjwz)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (kff5f)
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And likewise, if you make rayciss statements AND donate to the Democrat Party, you are no longer considered to be rayciss.
The Democrat Party sells indulgences.
The Democrat Party sells indulgences.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (oKE6c)
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Also, you missed some Delegation Doctrine talk earlier.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (kff5f)
No, I didn't.
*throatpunches BC*
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:50 PM (kff5f)
No, I didn't.
*throatpunches BC*
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (IrByp)
Posted by: Mary Clogenstien from a goat farm/dairy in Vermont at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (q+zA9)
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I can't wait to find out just how much my fair share turns out to be when we do our taxes this afternoon.
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (MYCIw)
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143 -
Well they allowed the other teams to score a safety, so clearly they still have SOME work they need to do.
Well they allowed the other teams to score a safety, so clearly they still have SOME work they need to do.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (Dj0WE)
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All this SOTU speech will be is a giant Finger to America and the Republicans.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (Zmw74)
175
What Blackrock doesn't get is the Progressive idea of "comprehensive fix to nations retirement savings" problem is called "expropriation".
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:55 PM (6um35)
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the War of Northern Aggression..
The First Attempt by Democrats to Destroy the Country over Their Hatred of Black People.
The First Attempt by Democrats to Destroy the Country over Their Hatred of Black People.
Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 12:55 PM (DL2i+)
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Mainlining heroin is perfectly ok per the Bible?
Maybe I should re-think this whole "Christianity" thingie...
Maybe I should re-think this whole "Christianity" thingie...
Posted by: James Taylor at January 19, 2015 12:55 PM (2Ayux)
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174 All this SOTU speech will be is a giant Finger to America and the Republicans.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (Zmw74)
_________
So basically the same thing as the previous 6 SOTUs.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (Zmw74)
_________
So basically the same thing as the previous 6 SOTUs.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 12:55 PM (0LHZx)
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I've got my own basketball game to get to in about an hour. The manager apologized to me when he gave me the game, both teams stink. But at least it's only 15 minutes away from my house, so no long drive.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 12:56 PM (2cS/G)
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Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (bJm7W)
Yes.... we want our Piece of the Pie too...
Just like the Government now forces everyone to get health insurance.... ie buy a product...
We want to force people to have retirement accounts, so we can make money off them...
Yes.... we want our Piece of the Pie too...
Just like the Government now forces everyone to get health insurance.... ie buy a product...
We want to force people to have retirement accounts, so we can make money off them...
Posted by: Wall Street at January 19, 2015 12:56 PM (qh617)
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165 -
Sure. Except for that pesky passage in Paul, where he says priests should not marry.
But it's all about the politics with that Paul dude.
Sure. Except for that pesky passage in Paul, where he says priests should not marry.
But it's all about the politics with that Paul dude.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 12:56 PM (Dj0WE)
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The Democrat Party sells indulgences.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (oKE6c)
I think I could come up with more than 95 things wrong with the Dems at this point. Nailing them to the White House door might be tricky, though.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (oKE6c)
I think I could come up with more than 95 things wrong with the Dems at this point. Nailing them to the White House door might be tricky, though.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 12:56 PM (ThxKk)
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159 The retirement savings crisis in America has brought us to this point: It's a near certainty that mandatory savings accounts are in the future of anyone with a full or part time job.
And of course a portion of those accounts will have to be in government securities, amirite?
And of course a portion of those accounts will have to be in government securities, amirite?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 19, 2015 12:56 PM (oKE6c)
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Meanwhile I'll just raptor-suicide bomber the thread with this
http://www.tofugu.com/2014/12/10/spiders-japan-tiniest-kaiju/
http://www.tofugu.com/2014/12/10/spiders-japan-tiniest-kaiju/
Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 12:56 PM (DL2i+)
185
i would also point out that general lee and the army of nothern virgina only operated only in the potomac river valley and in nothern virginia ,it was so i don't know what you mean by lousy strategic generalor how you would even knowgeneral lee was a tactical wizard though
i would also point out that general lee and the army of nothern virgina only operated only in the potomac river valley and in nothern virginia ,it was so i don't know what you mean by lousy strategic generalor how you would even knowgeneral lee was a tactical wizard though
Posted by: kj at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (lKyWE)
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we're all organic goat dairy too
Posted by: Mary Clogenstien from a goat farm/dairy in Vermont at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (q+zA9)
Never have enough goat cheese in the house.
We eat it too fast.
Posted by: Mary Clogenstien from a goat farm/dairy in Vermont at January 19, 2015 12:49 PM (q+zA9)
Never have enough goat cheese in the house.
We eat it too fast.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (IXrOn)
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What Blackrock doesn't get is the Progressive idea
of "comprehensive fix to nations retirement savings" problem is called
"expropriation".
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:55 PM (6um35)
What Blackrock DOES get is that the bureaucracy will need advisors.
of "comprehensive fix to nations retirement savings" problem is called
"expropriation".
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 12:55 PM (6um35)
What Blackrock DOES get is that the bureaucracy will need advisors.
Posted by: Jonathon Gruber at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (GqEzX)
188
"How will the Pope delight us this week?"
He will probably just continue to exist and you'll just have to deal with it.
He will probably just continue to exist and you'll just have to deal with it.
Posted by: Shoot Me at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (EQcfE)
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by the way, "warmest year on record" has an increase that is less than the admitted margin of error.
check steven goddard for this stuff; an example
http://tinyurl.com/pz7guv7
check steven goddard for this stuff; an example
http://tinyurl.com/pz7guv7
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (bJm7W)
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We'll never, EVER get any truthful numbers out of the US government, if they even know, but I do wonder how many relatively wealthy people with dual citizenship have already left the US for their home countries and have dropped off the IRS radar.
The IRS is making life miserable for anyone with US citizenship overseas because they are 'cracking down on tax evaders' which means if you have US citizenship, you have to let the IRS know about all of your assets over a
certain amount.
That's one major reason the number of people renouncing US citizenship is up. People born in the US but raised in another country like Canada who have never had anything to do with America are being hounded by a broke US government and an out of control IRS. The cost to renounce citizenship has recently risen from $495 to $2300 US.
But for every person who has renounced citizenship, including the 'rich' people that appear on the official lists, there are dozens of others who have secretly went home or found another country and have dropped off the radar. That's a lot of revenue. Think France times 100.
The IRS is making life miserable for anyone with US citizenship overseas because they are 'cracking down on tax evaders' which means if you have US citizenship, you have to let the IRS know about all of your assets over a
certain amount.
That's one major reason the number of people renouncing US citizenship is up. People born in the US but raised in another country like Canada who have never had anything to do with America are being hounded by a broke US government and an out of control IRS. The cost to renounce citizenship has recently risen from $495 to $2300 US.
But for every person who has renounced citizenship, including the 'rich' people that appear on the official lists, there are dozens of others who have secretly went home or found another country and have dropped off the radar. That's a lot of revenue. Think France times 100.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (AC0lD)
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172 I can't wait to find out just how much my fair share turns out to be when we do our taxes this afternoon.
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (MYCIw)
___________
I have a quick tax amount analysis
1. Are you white?
If Yes, go to 2, if no, your tax rate is $0
2. Do you work for a living?
If yes go to 3, if no your tax rate is $9
3. Did you donate to Democrat Party?
If no, go to 4, if yes, your tax rate is $0
4. Fuck you. Give me 1/2 of what you made, you fucking racist asshole.
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (MYCIw)
___________
I have a quick tax amount analysis
1. Are you white?
If Yes, go to 2, if no, your tax rate is $0
2. Do you work for a living?
If yes go to 3, if no your tax rate is $9
3. Did you donate to Democrat Party?
If no, go to 4, if yes, your tax rate is $0
4. Fuck you. Give me 1/2 of what you made, you fucking racist asshole.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (0LHZx)
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Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 12:56 PM (2cS/G)
You do play-by-play, right?
You should totally play it like it's the best game since... I dunno- some majorly exciting basketball game. Bonus points for every double entendre you can work in.
"And Jenkins gets the rebound! Look at that ball handling!"
You do play-by-play, right?
You should totally play it like it's the best game since... I dunno- some majorly exciting basketball game. Bonus points for every double entendre you can work in.
"And Jenkins gets the rebound! Look at that ball handling!"
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:58 PM (kff5f)
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No Joke Obama HHS Secretary Praises Al Sharpton On MLK Day, Hes Spent His Life Fighting For Whats Right
Punk faggots and the Jews lynched in Crown Heights beg to differ.
Weasel Zippers
Yeah race relations have never been worse. We are on the verge of race riots. Way to go Fredo. Keep listening to Sharpy sharpton
Punk faggots and the Jews lynched in Crown Heights beg to differ.
Weasel Zippers
Yeah race relations have never been worse. We are on the verge of race riots. Way to go Fredo. Keep listening to Sharpy sharpton
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 12:58 PM (Zmw74)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 19, 2015 12:58 PM (HBAcW)
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Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 12:56 PM (DL2i+)
SOON.
No, I didn't click the link, the URL was enough.
So very very soon.
SOON.
No, I didn't click the link, the URL was enough.
So very very soon.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at January 19, 2015 12:58 PM (IrByp)
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Billy Crystal really stepped in it with comments about gays.
And to think he played an openly gay character in the 1970s!
And to think he played an openly gay character in the 1970s!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 19, 2015 12:59 PM (oFCZn)
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Sure. Except for that pesky passage in Paul, where he says priests should not marry.
But it's all about the politics with that Paul dude.
Luap Nor?
But it's all about the politics with that Paul dude.
Luap Nor?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 12:59 PM (d20MQ)
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I'll try to keep it lively, I'm doing color commentary, so I'll have plenty of time to fill as they plod up and down the court.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 12:59 PM (2cS/G)
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Keep listening to Sharpy sharpton
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 12:58 PM (Zmw74)
---
Race-hustling is a business. Obama may be considering it as a post-Presidency career.
Actually healing some racial divisions would interfere with the cash flow.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 12:58 PM (Zmw74)
---
Race-hustling is a business. Obama may be considering it as a post-Presidency career.
Actually healing some racial divisions would interfere with the cash flow.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 19, 2015 01:00 PM (HBAcW)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:00 PM (Dj0WE)
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No, numbnuts, you don't have to be a stupid online gamer loser to get it. In fact, that's what makes it even funnier for us non-gamers.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 12:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 01:00 PM (IXrOn)
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I see some Morons need some edumacating on the different type of economy.
1. Capitalism - an economy that has minimum government intervention and relies on markets to set prices through demand.
2. Socialism - an economy that taxes the more well off to provide benefits for the poor and unemployed.
3. Communism - an economy that has the government owning all means of wealth production and who totally controls what gets produced and sold.
4. Fascism - A socialist economy in which the government doesn't actaully own the means of production but controls absolutely how they are run.
The US currently is a mixture of capitalism, socialism, communism, and Fascism. Capitalism is the smallest segment. The US hasn't been a capitalist country in centuries.
1. Capitalism - an economy that has minimum government intervention and relies on markets to set prices through demand.
2. Socialism - an economy that taxes the more well off to provide benefits for the poor and unemployed.
3. Communism - an economy that has the government owning all means of wealth production and who totally controls what gets produced and sold.
4. Fascism - A socialist economy in which the government doesn't actaully own the means of production but controls absolutely how they are run.
The US currently is a mixture of capitalism, socialism, communism, and Fascism. Capitalism is the smallest segment. The US hasn't been a capitalist country in centuries.
Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2015 01:00 PM (wlDny)
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Billy Crystal really stepped in it with comments about gays.
And to think he played an openly gay character in the 1970s!
Soap!
And to think he played an openly gay character in the 1970s!
Soap!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:01 PM (d20MQ)
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Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2015 12:53 PM (78TbK)
Eastern Orthodox priests can be married. I think Rabbis can too.
It might help their brand, so to speak. My brother goes to a Catholic high school, and is involved in such things; apparently he was approached about going on to a seminary, and said No Thanks.
Right now, you're asking a guy in his early twenties to basically lock himself out of a huge chunk of the experience of living life-- along with the, ahem, basic drives that motivate men to do things. In return they get Not A Whole Lot. If you're reeeeaaaally religious, it's no matter, since you'll get your Eternal Reward and all that-- but if there's a microspeck of doubt in your mind, chances are you'll walk.
Eastern Orthodox priests can be married. I think Rabbis can too.
It might help their brand, so to speak. My brother goes to a Catholic high school, and is involved in such things; apparently he was approached about going on to a seminary, and said No Thanks.
Right now, you're asking a guy in his early twenties to basically lock himself out of a huge chunk of the experience of living life-- along with the, ahem, basic drives that motivate men to do things. In return they get Not A Whole Lot. If you're reeeeaaaally religious, it's no matter, since you'll get your Eternal Reward and all that-- but if there's a microspeck of doubt in your mind, chances are you'll walk.
Posted by: Secundus at January 19, 2015 01:01 PM (pPqrj)
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". Fuck you. Give me 1/2 of what you made, you fucking racist asshole"
Ha, yep that's pretty much what we're expecting.
Ha, yep that's pretty much what we're expecting.
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:01 PM (MYCIw)
206
Oh, if only Obama would songify (and shorten) his SOTU for the LIVs - like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssRh39r3J20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssRh39r3J20
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 01:01 PM (ABcz/)
207
Rabbis are allowed to marry and make the same mistake the rest of us can make
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 01:02 PM (Zmw74)
208
and I got a hot date with the Fedex guy
Posted by: Mary Clogenstien from a goat farm/dairy in Vermont at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (q+zA9)
It will be fun, till he scans your VJ with that laser.
Posted by: Mary Clogenstien from a goat farm/dairy in Vermont at January 19, 2015 12:54 PM (q+zA9)
It will be fun, till he scans your VJ with that laser.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 01:02 PM (0FSuD)
209
landed church officials trying to give their temporal holding to their relatives...and to put it mildly this is not a real problem anymore...
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Yeah, Obama's gonna fix that.
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Yeah, Obama's gonna fix that.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:02 PM (LImiJ)
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Two things everyone will have to learn to survive the impending chaos :
Make your own yogurt, and how to make your own cheese.
Well ok, you'll need to learn about dairy production, and if you are going to manage livestock, you might as well garden, so you'll need to learn about preserving your home grown fruits and vegetable with fermentation.
Well, ok, if you are going into food production rather than just consumption you'll need to learn small unit tactics and defense in depth to protect your farm co-op because the hordes of eaters will have their poorly trained and undisciplined gangs looting and pillaging the countryside.
Well, ok, if you're going to build your own private army you'll need to know about diplomacy and politics; the art of the deal to form alliances and coalitions with neighboring warlords.
Well, ok, if you don't want to be over run by hostile neighbors you'll need the win the science and engineering competition so your logistics and weapons development is more productive than the fundamentalist religious warlord in the next county.
So.. then....you'll need to control water, both surface and subsurface. You don't want to be at the mercy of some distant governor who turns off water you need for irrigation. . . and you'll need solar power because hydrocarbons will be embargoed by those groups who have control of them. Unless you have enough surplus to trade your surplus for diesel fuel.
and border guards. You will need border guards.
Czars, we're gonna need Czars, commissars, and action committees, and organizers, and program administrators.
Make your own yogurt, and how to make your own cheese.
Well ok, you'll need to learn about dairy production, and if you are going to manage livestock, you might as well garden, so you'll need to learn about preserving your home grown fruits and vegetable with fermentation.
Well, ok, if you are going into food production rather than just consumption you'll need to learn small unit tactics and defense in depth to protect your farm co-op because the hordes of eaters will have their poorly trained and undisciplined gangs looting and pillaging the countryside.
Well, ok, if you're going to build your own private army you'll need to know about diplomacy and politics; the art of the deal to form alliances and coalitions with neighboring warlords.
Well, ok, if you don't want to be over run by hostile neighbors you'll need the win the science and engineering competition so your logistics and weapons development is more productive than the fundamentalist religious warlord in the next county.
So.. then....you'll need to control water, both surface and subsurface. You don't want to be at the mercy of some distant governor who turns off water you need for irrigation. . . and you'll need solar power because hydrocarbons will be embargoed by those groups who have control of them. Unless you have enough surplus to trade your surplus for diesel fuel.
and border guards. You will need border guards.
Czars, we're gonna need Czars, commissars, and action committees, and organizers, and program administrators.
Posted by: Serious Wong at January 19, 2015 01:03 PM (jnpRd)
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I see some Morons need some edumacating on the different type of economy.
1- Free Market Capitalism: an economy where one produces a product or provides labor with at a negotiated value, with minimal governmental intervention (such intervention focused on preventing/punishing fraud and other material injustices) and reaps the benefits of such provision.
2- Tyranny: everything else.
1- Free Market Capitalism: an economy where one produces a product or provides labor with at a negotiated value, with minimal governmental intervention (such intervention focused on preventing/punishing fraud and other material injustices) and reaps the benefits of such provision.
2- Tyranny: everything else.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 01:03 PM (kff5f)
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The definition games of Socialism are boring since nobody agrees on the definition.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 19, 2015 01:03 PM (ZPrif)
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Rabbis are allowed to marry and make the same mistake the rest of us can make
At least, when he gives the pre-marital advice class, he has the marital experience.
At least, when he gives the pre-marital advice class, he has the marital experience.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:04 PM (d20MQ)
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No, I didn't click the link, the URL was enough.
The artwork is worth seeing, maybe not un-see-able.
The artwork is worth seeing, maybe not un-see-able.
Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 01:04 PM (DL2i+)
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I'll try to keep it lively, I'm doing color commentary, so I'll have plenty of time to fill as they plod up and down the court.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 12:59 PM
OK, Horde, we should help lincolntf with his game prep & come up with the top ten basketball / sexual double entendres...
10) SWISH!
9) around & around the rim...
double dribble
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 12:59 PM
OK, Horde, we should help lincolntf with his game prep & come up with the top ten basketball / sexual double entendres...
10) SWISH!
9) around & around the rim...
double dribblePosted by: AltonJackson at January 19, 2015 01:05 PM (2Ayux)
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What Blackrock DOES get is that the bureaucracy will need advisors.
Posted by: Jonathon Gruber at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (GqEzX)
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Like Social Security, you mean? Expropriation will pay a bit of current year needs and after that the dollars will come from tax revenue, just like at present. No "advisors" will be necessary.
Posted by: Jonathon Gruber at January 19, 2015 12:57 PM (GqEzX)
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Like Social Security, you mean? Expropriation will pay a bit of current year needs and after that the dollars will come from tax revenue, just like at present. No "advisors" will be necessary.
Posted by: Hillary, savin' y'all money! at January 19, 2015 01:05 PM (6um35)
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The Left and ProgMedia play this stupid game where they pretend that calling Obama a Socialist is some crazy right-wing nutter thing, like calling Reagan a Commie.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 19, 2015 01:05 PM (ZPrif)
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Socialism: The government runs a good chunk of the economy
Communism: The govt run all of the economy
The debate about socialism is what % "good chunk" means...is it 40, 50, 60 whatever.
Communism: The govt run all of the economy
The debate about socialism is what % "good chunk" means...is it 40, 50, 60 whatever.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:05 PM (0LHZx)
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I understand not having priests marry since devoting yourself completely to a ministry really does make it hard to devote yourself completely to a family. Isn't this an issue in Israel where women are basically supporting their families while their husbands spend 100% of their time studying the Torah? That would be a difficult life, I would think.
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:06 PM (MYCIw)
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203 Billy Crystal really stepped in it with comments about gays.
And to think he played an openly gay character in the 1970s!
Soap!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:01 PM (d20MQ)
Which is an awesome show. Managed to catch some episodes several years ago and was surprised to see Gordon Jump playing a cop. He was an even more indecisive version of Mr. Carlson from WKRP. Hilarious stuff.
And to think he played an openly gay character in the 1970s!
Soap!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:01 PM (d20MQ)
Which is an awesome show. Managed to catch some episodes several years ago and was surprised to see Gordon Jump playing a cop. He was an even more indecisive version of Mr. Carlson from WKRP. Hilarious stuff.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 19, 2015 01:06 PM (oFCZn)
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And by definition Obama is a socialist since every one of his proposals has been more govt control of the economy.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)
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Heh, high school coach suspended for 2 games because his team beat their opponent by a score of 162-2.
About 15 years ago, we had the NYS Unified Champs here at my hometown high school. 4 guys headed to D-1. One ended up in the NBA. Another is now in the NFL.
They could have beat almost everybody 162-2. The starters hardly got to play most games because they were on the bench by the 2nd quarter, because the coach didn't want to embarrass the other teams.
One game they tried playing a guy named Paul Harris for the whole game (he was headed to D-1 Syracuse) with a BROKEN SHOOTING HAND.
Harris couldn't even take a shot, but he had like 15 rebounds, 5 assists and a couple of steals before they pulled him. The team was so good, even guys with broken shooting hands had to sit!
About 15 years ago, we had the NYS Unified Champs here at my hometown high school. 4 guys headed to D-1. One ended up in the NBA. Another is now in the NFL.
They could have beat almost everybody 162-2. The starters hardly got to play most games because they were on the bench by the 2nd quarter, because the coach didn't want to embarrass the other teams.
One game they tried playing a guy named Paul Harris for the whole game (he was headed to D-1 Syracuse) with a BROKEN SHOOTING HAND.
Harris couldn't even take a shot, but he had like 15 rebounds, 5 assists and a couple of steals before they pulled him. The team was so good, even guys with broken shooting hands had to sit!
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 01:06 PM (7ObY1)
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If we're going to have tens of millions of unskilled illegals to take care of, the money's got to come from somewhere. A wealth tax on Silicon Valley sounds like a good start to me. C'mon, Mark, really put your money where your mouth is.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at January 19, 2015 01:06 PM (nFdGS)
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To summarize from wiki;
In 1 Corinthians 7:8 Paul the Apostle indicates that he was unmarried: either single or a widower.[15] In 1 Corinthians 9:5 he contrasts his situation with that of the other apostles, including Peter, who were accompanied by believing wives. Paul, says Laurent Cleenewerck, a priest of the Orthodox Church in America and professor of theology at Euclid University, clearly favored celibacy, which he understood as "a gift".[16][17] Cleenewerck supports this statement by quoting 1 Corinthians 7:5-8:
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Similarly, Philippe Delhaye wrote: "During the first three or four centuries, no law was promulgated prohibiting clerical marriage. Celibacy was a matter of choice for bishops, priests, and deacons. ... The apostolic constitutions (c. 400) excommunicated a priest or bishop who left his wife 'under pretense of piety' (Sacrorum Conciliorum nova et amplissima collectio 1:51).".[24]
and you will note that most Orthodox priests are...married. Because the orthodox church didn't have the same problems with landed religious rulers that the Catholics did. Overall, whether a Christian denomination allows marriage for religious figures seems tightly related to the idea of church land...just look at the Protestants who came to prominence at the same time as helping secular rulers claim church lands...
In 1 Corinthians 7:8 Paul the Apostle indicates that he was unmarried: either single or a widower.[15] In 1 Corinthians 9:5 he contrasts his situation with that of the other apostles, including Peter, who were accompanied by believing wives. Paul, says Laurent Cleenewerck, a priest of the Orthodox Church in America and professor of theology at Euclid University, clearly favored celibacy, which he understood as "a gift".[16][17] Cleenewerck supports this statement by quoting 1 Corinthians 7:5-8:
[...]
Similarly, Philippe Delhaye wrote: "During the first three or four centuries, no law was promulgated prohibiting clerical marriage. Celibacy was a matter of choice for bishops, priests, and deacons. ... The apostolic constitutions (c. 400) excommunicated a priest or bishop who left his wife 'under pretense of piety' (Sacrorum Conciliorum nova et amplissima collectio 1:51).".[24]
and you will note that most Orthodox priests are...married. Because the orthodox church didn't have the same problems with landed religious rulers that the Catholics did. Overall, whether a Christian denomination allows marriage for religious figures seems tightly related to the idea of church land...just look at the Protestants who came to prominence at the same time as helping secular rulers claim church lands...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2015 01:07 PM (78TbK)
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Sockoff
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 01:07 PM (Zu0pf)
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OK, Horde, we should help lincolntf with his game prep & come up with the top ten basketball / sexual double entendres...
10) SWISH!
9) around & around the rim...
double dribble
7) Put it in! In the hole!
10) SWISH!
9) around & around the rim...
double dribble
7) Put it in! In the hole!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:07 PM (d20MQ)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 01:07 PM (XzRw1)
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177 Mainlining heroin is perfectly ok per the Bible?
Maybe I should re-think this whole "Christianity" thingie...
Posted by: James Taylor at January 19, 2015 12:55 PM (2Ayux)
Opium poppies are from the earth. God put them here for us and our enjoyment. Just like cannabis.
Maybe I should re-think this whole "Christianity" thingie...
Posted by: James Taylor at January 19, 2015 12:55 PM (2Ayux)
Opium poppies are from the earth. God put them here for us and our enjoyment. Just like cannabis.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (2Ojst)
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20 And the GOP will cave of course. It's as if 2010 and 2014 never happened.
I feel sorry for those who expended great effort to get GOP and Tea Party candidates elected, only to have them betray you.
I feel sorry for those who expended great effort to get GOP and Tea Party candidates elected, only to have them betray you.
Posted by: despair at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (dcY7v)
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I shaved for MLK day.
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I told my daughter the joke about why sums wrestlers shave their legs. She didn't think it was as funny as I did.
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I told my daughter the joke about why sums wrestlers shave their legs. She didn't think it was as funny as I did.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (LImiJ)
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Instead of a GOP response I'd like to propose a Libertarian response, and invite Aussie Senator David Leyonjhelm to give it.
It'll be short and to the point, I promise.
It'll be short and to the point, I promise.
Posted by: Luap Nor at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (6um35)
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Communism- You own two cows. The government takes them both and gives you (some of) the milk. Unless it's just water with white food coloring instead.
Socialism- You own two cows. The government takes one of them, taxes you on the milk it produces (which it does not let you consume), and sells you the milk from the other.
Fascism- You own two cows. The government takes the cows and shoots you.
Capitalism- Yow own to cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Socialism- You own two cows. The government takes one of them, taxes you on the milk it produces (which it does not let you consume), and sells you the milk from the other.
Fascism- You own two cows. The government takes the cows and shoots you.
Capitalism- Yow own to cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (kff5f)
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I feel sorry for those who expended great effort to get GOP and Tea Party candidates elected, only to have them betray you.
Posted by: despair at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (dcY7v)
_________
Deep down we all knew we'd be betrayed early on.
Posted by: despair at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (dcY7v)
_________
Deep down we all knew we'd be betrayed early on.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (0LHZx)
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221 And by definition Obama is a socialist since every one of his proposals has been more govt control of the economy.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)
A lot of these parts of the economy seem to have no problem cozying up to Uncle Sugar.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)
A lot of these parts of the economy seem to have no problem cozying up to Uncle Sugar.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 19, 2015 01:09 PM (oFCZn)
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Which is an awesome show. Managed to catch some episodes several years ago and was surprised to see Gordon Jump playing a cop.
And Ron Rifkin played Chester Tate's brain surgeon.
(Chester wakes up and sees his head wrapped in bandages)
"I'm Gunga Din!" "No? Then I'm Greta Garbo!"
That scene still cracks me up.
And Ron Rifkin played Chester Tate's brain surgeon.
(Chester wakes up and sees his head wrapped in bandages)
"I'm Gunga Din!" "No? Then I'm Greta Garbo!"
That scene still cracks me up.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 01:09 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Secundus at January 19, 2015 01:09 PM (pPqrj)
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Fat fuck Rove on FNC(still) now telling me 59 percent of Pubs want Romney to run.
#bonedweare
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 01:07 PM (XzRw1)
A self-completing poll done by FFR is the same as a lie by FFR. And Fox loves them some RINOs like FFR.
Fat fuck Rove on FNC(still) now telling me 59 percent of Pubs want Romney to run.
#bonedweare
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 01:07 PM (XzRw1)
A self-completing poll done by FFR is the same as a lie by FFR. And Fox loves them some RINOs like FFR.
Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2015 01:09 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Charlie Fong at January 19, 2015 01:09 PM (jnpRd)
Posted by: eman at January 19, 2015 01:09 PM (J5Vt9)
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Heh, high school coach suspended for 2 games because his team beat their opponent by a score of 162-2.
Good. What an asshole.
Heh, high school coach suspended for 2 games because his team beat their opponent by a score of 162-2.
Good. What an asshole.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 01:09 PM (0FSuD)
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Socialism: The government runs a good chunk of the economy
Communism: The govt run all of the economy
The debate about socialism is what % "good chunk" means...is it 40, 50, 60 whatever.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:05 PM (0LHZx)
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Close.
Socialism - Government legislates what private companies do with those obscene evil profits.
Communism - The state owns and actively manages day to day to operations of business concerns.
Communism: The govt run all of the economy
The debate about socialism is what % "good chunk" means...is it 40, 50, 60 whatever.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:05 PM (0LHZx)
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Close.
Socialism - Government legislates what private companies do with those obscene evil profits.
Communism - The state owns and actively manages day to day to operations of business concerns.
Posted by: Puty Putin and the Waves at January 19, 2015 01:10 PM (NaV4z)
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Opium poppies are from the earth. God put them here for us and our enjoyment. Just like cannabis.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM
By any chance do you publish a newsletter? Preferably in large print with lots of pictures?
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM
By any chance do you publish a newsletter? Preferably in large print with lots of pictures?
Posted by: James Taylor at January 19, 2015 01:10 PM (2Ayux)
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226 OK, Horde, we should help lincolntf with his game prep & come up with the top ten basketball / sexual double entendres...
10) SWISH!
9) around & around the rim...
double dribble
7) Put it in! In the hole!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:07 PM (d20MQ)
6) Post up!
10) SWISH!
9) around & around the rim...
double dribble
7) Put it in! In the hole!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:07 PM (d20MQ)
6) Post up!
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 01:10 PM (2Ojst)
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Posted by: Hillary, savin' y'all money! at January 19, 2015 01:05 PM (6um35)
Yeah. But Blackrock ain't giving up $4T without a cut.
Yeah. But Blackrock ain't giving up $4T without a cut.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 01:10 PM (GqEzX)
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BOX OUT!
Posted by: Andy Reid at January 19, 2015 01:10 PM (Zu0pf)
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Communism- You own two cows. The government takes them both and gives you (some of) the milk. Unless it's just water with white food coloring instead.
Socialism- You own two cows. The government takes one of them, taxes you on the milk it produces (which it does not let you consume), and sells you the milk from the other.
Fascism- You own two cows. The government takes the cows and shoots you.
Capitalism- Yow own to cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (kff5f)
Aceism - You own two cows. You make pudding.
Socialism- You own two cows. The government takes one of them, taxes you on the milk it produces (which it does not let you consume), and sells you the milk from the other.
Fascism- You own two cows. The government takes the cows and shoots you.
Capitalism- Yow own to cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 01:08 PM (kff5f)
Aceism - You own two cows. You make pudding.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 01:11 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 19, 2015 01:11 PM (NaV4z)
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OK, Horde, we should help lincolntf with his game prep & come up with the top ten basketball / sexual double entendres...
10) SWISH!
9) around & around the rim...
double dribble
7) Put it in! In the hole!
***
6) "And that one's a rimmer..."
10) SWISH!
9) around & around the rim...
double dribble
7) Put it in! In the hole!
***
6) "And that one's a rimmer..."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 01:11 PM (kff5f)
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Just look at those ball-handling skills!
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 01:12 PM (2Ojst)
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5 ) drawing the foul
Posted by: AltonJackson at January 19, 2015 01:12 PM (2Ayux)
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The thing socialists don't understand is upper middle class people are already struggling to pay full fare for things like their children's education. And then you demand they cut back on providing for their kids to pay for someone who isn't paying for anything. Fairly infuriating. Go after the top 1% that hold half the wealth. But that's a no go because the top 1% pay the politicians. As Mr. Horse would say. Don't like it. No siree.
Posted by: Anthropology Guy at January 19, 2015 01:12 PM (XnBjv)
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Fat fuck Rove on FNC(still) now telling me 59 percent of Pubs want Romney to run.
Hell, *I* want Romney to run.
He's the perfect stalking horse for Jeb.
You see, I know that everybody in the primary will not be to my liking. So I'm happy with as many squishy douches as possible battling it out.
Hell, *I* want Romney to run.
He's the perfect stalking horse for Jeb.
You see, I know that everybody in the primary will not be to my liking. So I'm happy with as many squishy douches as possible battling it out.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (b4b5c)
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back door pass
back door pass
Posted by: kj at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (WNERA)
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-The 'ol in and out
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (MYCIw)
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Impose a wealth tax on individuals with a net worth off 500 million or more.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:14 PM (d20MQ)
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Posted by: Anthropology Guy at January 19, 2015 01:12 PM (XnBjv)
And Heaven forbid we embrace an ideology of personal responsibility and aspiration.
Nope, we have to embrace "social justice" and "privilege."
And Heaven forbid we embrace an ideology of personal responsibility and aspiration.
Nope, we have to embrace "social justice" and "privilege."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 01:14 PM (kff5f)
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"80
Robert E. Lee was a lousy strategic general.
He kicked a shitload of Yankee ass.
Posted by: maddogg at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (xWW96)"
Until he came up against U.S.Grant who wrote in his memoirs that he was not particularly impressed by Lee's skill as a general. Grant beat Lee in Virginia just like Grant had beaten every Confederate opponent he had in the west, kicked Lee out of Richmond and then chased him around until he surrendered.
Robert E. Lee was a lousy strategic general.
He kicked a shitload of Yankee ass.
Posted by: maddogg at January 19, 2015 12:41 PM (xWW96)"
Until he came up against U.S.Grant who wrote in his memoirs that he was not particularly impressed by Lee's skill as a general. Grant beat Lee in Virginia just like Grant had beaten every Confederate opponent he had in the west, kicked Lee out of Richmond and then chased him around until he surrendered.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 01:15 PM (KDbAT)
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Right, it's more about what happens on the margin. The definition games are tiring. No Republican will get rid of SS or Medicare so I guess no Repubs support capitalism.
I care mostly whether a politician wants more govt control on the margin or less.
I care mostly whether a politician wants more govt control on the margin or less.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 19, 2015 01:15 PM (ZPrif)
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224 -
Whatever. Who are you going to believe, the Catholic Church, who says priests do not marry because it's in the Bible, or their Orthodox/Protestant critics, who say it's all about politics?
You're going to believe who you believe, that's who.
Whatever. Who are you going to believe, the Catholic Church, who says priests do not marry because it's in the Bible, or their Orthodox/Protestant critics, who say it's all about politics?
You're going to believe who you believe, that's who.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (NaV4z)
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ah
chemtrails
a visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation.
I'm guessing there's more to it than that...
ah
chemtrails
a visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation.
I'm guessing there's more to it than that...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (IXrOn)
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Does Medved get it yet? How about McCain?
Posted by: ejo at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (rsGj7)
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Whatever the (economy) merits are, it is a winner.
(We are moving towards an oligarchic or corporate 'socialism' as it is.)
People are fed up with Wall Street and $20 million severance packages, CEOs making 100s of times what the production lines make, day traders paying only cap gains taxes, fund managers gaming the system, etc....... (ironically tort jackal lawyers and athletes/entertainers seem to get away with it...). Republicans should double or triple down on this and pass it, with special emphasis on hitting the Wall Street crowd and the above mentioned lawyers (which are now big democrat donors).
(We are moving towards an oligarchic or corporate 'socialism' as it is.)
People are fed up with Wall Street and $20 million severance packages, CEOs making 100s of times what the production lines make, day traders paying only cap gains taxes, fund managers gaming the system, etc....... (ironically tort jackal lawyers and athletes/entertainers seem to get away with it...). Republicans should double or triple down on this and pass it, with special emphasis on hitting the Wall Street crowd and the above mentioned lawyers (which are now big democrat donors).
Posted by: Prince Matchabelli at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (zmZ2x)
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256 Impose a wealth tax on individuals with a net worth off 500 million or more.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (rwI+c)
__________
Never gonna happen since Obama benefactors are billionaires. Obama has the very poor and the very rich in his corner. He'll never touch them. He will however decimate those making $75K to $250K.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (rwI+c)
__________
Never gonna happen since Obama benefactors are billionaires. Obama has the very poor and the very rich in his corner. He'll never touch them. He will however decimate those making $75K to $250K.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:17 PM (0LHZx)
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Tiger Woods is missing his front tooth? Boy things have gone done hill pretty far and fast for him?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 01:17 PM (Zmw74)
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Every time I see the acronym SOTU, I read it as STFU. If only someone would deliver one of those to dear leader.
Posted by: fly gal at January 19, 2015 01:17 PM (pq76f)
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Liberals have completely forgotten the Laffer Curve and the purpose behind it.
They hear the word "Laffer" and they have a knee-jerk reaction that it's some kind of right-wong plot launched by Reagan.
Not so.
The Laffer Curve is actually an extremely liberal idea. It is at its core a Big Government concept. But liberals are now too stupid and ignorant to know even that.
The principle behind the Laffer curve is this:
We know that if you tax people 0%, the government will get no income.
We also know that if you tax people 100%, the government will also get no income -- because if there is no motivation to work (i.e. the government will take ALL your wages), then people won't work, and there'll be no income to tax.
So, reasoned Arthur Laffer, there must be a level of taxation somewhere between 0% and 100% that MAXIMIZES government revenue.
Note that the goal is to maximize government revenue. The goal is not to "lower taxes," but rather to find that 'sweet spot" which will result is the most thriving economy and thus provide the greatest tax revenue for the Feds.
Real-world analysis of history has shown that an overall combined tax rate on everything of about 32% has been the magic sweet spot to produce the most revenue for the government.
(Fantasy-world on-paper theories by liberal economists place the number at 70%, which is just bullshit they threw out there to counter the real data.)
Now, the combined tax rate on everything is already way over 32% as of today. (The rate includes not just the standard "income tax" but all the taxes you pay for everything all added up.) I don't have the numbers at hand but I think it's around 50%.
So Obama's proposal is consciously pushing the tax rate even further beyond the apex of the revenue curve.
As stupid as everyone in his administration are, they at least surely know that.
So therefore the only possible reason to jack up the tax rate even more is to punish the successful, euphemized as "redistribution of wealth," which of course is nothing but socialism, which is itself just another word for "envy."
If Obama was an actual "Big Government liberal," he'd try to adjust the tax rate to hit the peak of the Laffer Curve, and thus maximize government revenue. But he's not: He is actually sacrificing government revenue as part of his Marxist plan to weaken the nation on purpose.
Now, if you favor a small government, then the Laffer Curve should not be your guideline, because for you (like me) the primary goal is individual freedom, not maximizing government revenue (and thus size and power). So it would be preferable to have an overall tax rate on the lower down-slope of the curve -- slightly less revenue than could be extracted, but more personal freedom for the taxpayer.
They hear the word "Laffer" and they have a knee-jerk reaction that it's some kind of right-wong plot launched by Reagan.
Not so.
The Laffer Curve is actually an extremely liberal idea. It is at its core a Big Government concept. But liberals are now too stupid and ignorant to know even that.
The principle behind the Laffer curve is this:
We know that if you tax people 0%, the government will get no income.
We also know that if you tax people 100%, the government will also get no income -- because if there is no motivation to work (i.e. the government will take ALL your wages), then people won't work, and there'll be no income to tax.
So, reasoned Arthur Laffer, there must be a level of taxation somewhere between 0% and 100% that MAXIMIZES government revenue.
Note that the goal is to maximize government revenue. The goal is not to "lower taxes," but rather to find that 'sweet spot" which will result is the most thriving economy and thus provide the greatest tax revenue for the Feds.
Real-world analysis of history has shown that an overall combined tax rate on everything of about 32% has been the magic sweet spot to produce the most revenue for the government.
(Fantasy-world on-paper theories by liberal economists place the number at 70%, which is just bullshit they threw out there to counter the real data.)
Now, the combined tax rate on everything is already way over 32% as of today. (The rate includes not just the standard "income tax" but all the taxes you pay for everything all added up.) I don't have the numbers at hand but I think it's around 50%.
So Obama's proposal is consciously pushing the tax rate even further beyond the apex of the revenue curve.
As stupid as everyone in his administration are, they at least surely know that.
So therefore the only possible reason to jack up the tax rate even more is to punish the successful, euphemized as "redistribution of wealth," which of course is nothing but socialism, which is itself just another word for "envy."
If Obama was an actual "Big Government liberal," he'd try to adjust the tax rate to hit the peak of the Laffer Curve, and thus maximize government revenue. But he's not: He is actually sacrificing government revenue as part of his Marxist plan to weaken the nation on purpose.
Now, if you favor a small government, then the Laffer Curve should not be your guideline, because for you (like me) the primary goal is individual freedom, not maximizing government revenue (and thus size and power). So it would be preferable to have an overall tax rate on the lower down-slope of the curve -- slightly less revenue than could be extracted, but more personal freedom for the taxpayer.
Posted by: zombie at January 19, 2015 01:17 PM (K4YiS)
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chemtrails
a visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation.
I'm guessing there's more to it than that..
Nope. That's pretty much it. Oh, shiny side out. (Aluminum foil hat)
a visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation.
I'm guessing there's more to it than that..
Nope. That's pretty much it. Oh, shiny side out. (Aluminum foil hat)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:17 PM (d20MQ)
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Whatever. Who are you going to believe, the Catholic Church, who says priests do not marry because it's in the Bible, or their Orthodox/Protestant critics, who say it's all about politics?
How about actually reading the Bible and realizing that Paul never said "priests can't marry" because a) he never talked about priests (a priesthood came later) and b) he actually said "It's better not to marry, but since there's so much sexual immorality, go ahead and get married."
I don't give a rip about about Medieval politics. The Bible says what it says.
How about actually reading the Bible and realizing that Paul never said "priests can't marry" because a) he never talked about priests (a priesthood came later) and b) he actually said "It's better not to marry, but since there's so much sexual immorality, go ahead and get married."
I don't give a rip about about Medieval politics. The Bible says what it says.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 01:17 PM (kff5f)
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"This is why I say there is no end to prepping."
Offshore bank account in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty, and up to date travel documents.
Offshore bank account in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty, and up to date travel documents.
Posted by: Charlie Fong at January 19, 2015 01:17 PM (jnpRd)
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Remember the scene from Animal House where they pretend to sneeze but are saying "Bullshit". Tomorrow Night
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 01:18 PM (Zmw74)
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Running the old Box and One.
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 01:18 PM (Zu0pf)
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I care mostly whether a politician wants more govt control on the margin or less.
This. I used to write reports for an Operations VP and he never wanted to know the underlying figures, just the trend. Are the things that should be going down in fact going down? Are the things that should be going up going up?
Until you change the trend, the values don't matter.
This. I used to write reports for an Operations VP and he never wanted to know the underlying figures, just the trend. Are the things that should be going down in fact going down? Are the things that should be going up going up?
Until you change the trend, the values don't matter.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 19, 2015 01:18 PM (rwI+c)
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Republicans should double or triple down on this and pass it, with special emphasis on hitting the Wall Street crowd and the above mentioned lawyers (which are now big democrat donors).
Posted by: Prince Matchabelli at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (zmZ2x)
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They should pass a bill raising the marginal tax rate to 95%. It's what Paul Krugman always yaps about, how in the "good old days" that's what the top tax rate was.
Dare Obama to sign that bill. And when he vetoes it, Paul Krugman and Co. will shut the fuck up once and for all.
But it's the GOP and this is an outside the box idea, hence, will never happen.
Posted by: Prince Matchabelli at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (zmZ2x)
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They should pass a bill raising the marginal tax rate to 95%. It's what Paul Krugman always yaps about, how in the "good old days" that's what the top tax rate was.
Dare Obama to sign that bill. And when he vetoes it, Paul Krugman and Co. will shut the fuck up once and for all.
But it's the GOP and this is an outside the box idea, hence, will never happen.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:18 PM (0LHZx)
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Obama can checkmate them by saying he'll veto any budget that doesn't have these giant tax increases: Boehner and McConnell can pass something, but they'll have to give in so as to not shut down the government. Is there any issue this won't work with? /sarc.
What I find funny is Obama has without exception been confirmed to be a completely gutless liar.
In his bravest moment, the famous "gutsy call", Obama was easily the least brave of everyone involved--the Seals, the Chopper pilots, the Pakistani Doctor, the parents and wives of the Seals/Pilots, even the 6 year old children of the military doing the mission who face the world half the time with their fathers away maybe never coming home, the wives of Osama and his men. He bravely waited months before being forced into it by the more gutsy Hillary and Panetta and the Military Officers who Obama would have blamed any failure on.
Give me a firkin break.
What I find funny is Obama has without exception been confirmed to be a completely gutless liar.
In his bravest moment, the famous "gutsy call", Obama was easily the least brave of everyone involved--the Seals, the Chopper pilots, the Pakistani Doctor, the parents and wives of the Seals/Pilots, even the 6 year old children of the military doing the mission who face the world half the time with their fathers away maybe never coming home, the wives of Osama and his men. He bravely waited months before being forced into it by the more gutsy Hillary and Panetta and the Military Officers who Obama would have blamed any failure on.
Give me a firkin break.
Posted by: dirks strewn at January 19, 2015 01:19 PM (kfcYC)
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Running the old Box and One.
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 01:18 PM (Zu0pf)
Or the 4 corners without a shot clock
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 01:18 PM (Zu0pf)
Or the 4 corners without a shot clock
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 01:19 PM (Zmw74)
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Loo for LOTS of INCOME INEQAULITY in tomorrow nights SOU.
Unfortunately...... Our President isnt interested in raising the incomes of the lower strata.
He just wants to take it from from the makers. And give it to the govt.
Loo for LOTS of INCOME INEQAULITY in tomorrow nights SOU.
Unfortunately...... Our President isnt interested in raising the incomes of the lower strata.
He just wants to take it from from the makers. And give it to the govt.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 19, 2015 01:20 PM (NaV4z)
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In high school, if I had been given an assignment to "Write a 500-word essay about economics," I would have gotten the cold sweats and freaked out and labored over it for days.
Now, I just wrote one in four minutes! (Comment #269 above.) Without even being assigned!
Hard to believe how much I have changed.
Now, I just wrote one in four minutes! (Comment #269 above.) Without even being assigned!
Hard to believe how much I have changed.
Posted by: zombie at January 19, 2015 01:20 PM (K4YiS)
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The war was always going to end the way it ended. Lee was a very skilled tactician, and when he was on the defensive in those early years, against Union generals who were too timid, he ran rings around them.
Once the Union decided to give the army over to a general who was willing to attack and attack and attack, until the numbers reached their inevitable end, the war reached its inevitable end.
The war was always going to end the way it ended. Lee was a very skilled tactician, and when he was on the defensive in those early years, against Union generals who were too timid, he ran rings around them.
Once the Union decided to give the army over to a general who was willing to attack and attack and attack, until the numbers reached their inevitable end, the war reached its inevitable end.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:20 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:20 PM (LImiJ)
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Income inequality has increased all over the world, in countries with wildly different economic systems. The main factor is the IT revolution which increases returns to scale and increases returns to IQ. Global pop culture increases returns for sports, media, movie, pop stars as they are known by billions instead of millions.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 19, 2015 01:21 PM (ZPrif)
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Barry is on record as saying he would raise capital gains taxes, even if it produced *less* revenue for the government because, fairness.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 19, 2015 01:23 PM (rwI+c)
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Income inequality doesn't matter if everyone is better off.
If I have $100 and you have $1000 today what's better?
Tomorrow I have $300 and you have $5000 or tomorrow I have $200 and you have $2000?
To leftists you're better off at $200 instead of $300 because it's more fair that way.
If I have $100 and you have $1000 today what's better?
Tomorrow I have $300 and you have $5000 or tomorrow I have $200 and you have $2000?
To leftists you're better off at $200 instead of $300 because it's more fair that way.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:23 PM (0LHZx)
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Weasel Zippers: DOJ Wins 48.8 million dollar lawsuit against the State of Pennsylvania for paying welfare benefits to illegals.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:24 PM (d20MQ)
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@259
grant was a bull in a china shop who basically just bludgeoned the army of nothern virginia with superior numberswho at that point in the war was tied to protecting richmond and could not reallymove.
@259
grant was a bull in a china shop who basically just bludgeoned the army of nothern virginia with superior numberswho at that point in the war was tied to protecting richmond and could not reallymove.
Posted by: kj at January 19, 2015 01:24 PM (lKyWE)
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You'd think America would know the "wealthy" definition by now:
Wealthy: Middle Class
Not Wealthy: Rich, Poor
The wealthy shall be taxed. Again.
and Again.
You'd think America would know the "wealthy" definition by now:
Wealthy: Middle Class
Not Wealthy: Rich, Poor
The wealthy shall be taxed. Again.
and Again.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 19, 2015 01:25 PM (Qs8ZN)
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DOJ Wins 48.8 million dollar lawsuit against the State of Pennsylvania for paying welfare benefits to illegals.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:24 PM (d20MQ)
________
You mean for NOT paying benefits?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:24 PM (d20MQ)
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You mean for NOT paying benefits?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:25 PM (0LHZx)
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DOJ Wins 48.8 million dollar lawsuit against the State of Pennsylvania for paying welfare benefits to illegals.
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I wonder what the award would be if they sued California? Not that they can afford to pay a judgement.
DOJ Wins 48.8 million dollar lawsuit against the State of Pennsylvania for paying welfare benefits to illegals.
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I wonder what the award would be if they sued California? Not that they can afford to pay a judgement.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2015 01:25 PM (eW+UG)
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I don't believe Choom Boy is interested in socialism at all.
His goal strikes me as very simple: he wants to take from those he does not like (the ones who have, in general, worked hard and played by the rules), and give to those he feels comfortable with (layabouts and failures who have never done a productive thing in their lives).
The former are incomprehensible to him. The latter are, just like him, leeches and preference people who think the world owes them everything.
Political implications are beyond him, except as they pertain to who cheers most loudly for him
His goal strikes me as very simple: he wants to take from those he does not like (the ones who have, in general, worked hard and played by the rules), and give to those he feels comfortable with (layabouts and failures who have never done a productive thing in their lives).
The former are incomprehensible to him. The latter are, just like him, leeches and preference people who think the world owes them everything.
Political implications are beyond him, except as they pertain to who cheers most loudly for him
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 19, 2015 01:26 PM (yAC3X)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:26 PM (d20MQ)
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Salt May Not Be a Demon After All
Sodium intake levels had little do to with heart health in seniors.
In a subgroup analysis, the researchers adjusted the model for competing risks for death and found that sodium intake only increased risk for cardiovascular disease by 3% (subHR per 1g, 1.03, 95% CI 0.95-1.11, P=0.47). The same analysis revealed zero affect on risk for heart failure (subHR per 1g, 1.00, 95% CI 0.92-1.08, P=0.92).
Sodium intake levels had little do to with heart health in seniors.
In a subgroup analysis, the researchers adjusted the model for competing risks for death and found that sodium intake only increased risk for cardiovascular disease by 3% (subHR per 1g, 1.03, 95% CI 0.95-1.11, P=0.47). The same analysis revealed zero affect on risk for heart failure (subHR per 1g, 1.00, 95% CI 0.92-1.08, P=0.92).
Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at January 19, 2015 01:26 PM (e8kgV)
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The problem isn't income inequality, the problem is that the median income is falling.
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:27 PM (MYCIw)
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The federal government has become nothing more than an oversized shakedown machine.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2015 01:27 PM (eW+UG)
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>>Liberals have completely forgotten the Laffer Curve and the purpose behind it.
I think they pretty much ignore it. Every Democrat idea for increasing revenue assumes that everything else will remain the same/there will be no change in human behavior in response to it.
Need more money? Double the cigarette tax....and then be baffled when cigarette tax revenue falls. What? Who? How can that be? I
I think they pretty much ignore it. Every Democrat idea for increasing revenue assumes that everything else will remain the same/there will be no change in human behavior in response to it.
Need more money? Double the cigarette tax....and then be baffled when cigarette tax revenue falls. What? Who? How can that be? I
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM (ABcz/)
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I don't believe Choom Boy is interested in socialism at all.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 19, 2015 01:26 PM (yAC3X)
I'm still trying to figure out if he's an evil genius who is actively trying to destroy the country, or if the choom fried his brain and he has no idea what he's doing.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 19, 2015 01:26 PM (yAC3X)
I'm still trying to figure out if he's an evil genius who is actively trying to destroy the country, or if the choom fried his brain and he has no idea what he's doing.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM (ThxKk)
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@259
grant was a bull in a china shop who basically just bludgeoned the army of nothern virginia with superior numberswho at that point in the war was tied to protecting richmond and could not reallymove.
Posted by: kj at January 19, 2015 01:24 PM (lKyWE)
His insistence on crossbows over the clearly superior longbow was wrongheaded, though.
@259
grant was a bull in a china shop who basically just bludgeoned the army of nothern virginia with superior numberswho at that point in the war was tied to protecting richmond and could not reallymove.
Posted by: kj at January 19, 2015 01:24 PM (lKyWE)
His insistence on crossbows over the clearly superior longbow was wrongheaded, though.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM (vgIRn)
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Until he came up against U.S.Grant who wrote in his memoirs that he was not particularly impressed by Lee's skill as a general.
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I'm not bad mouthing Grant but his basic strategy was the Devil's math. He knew he could sustain far more casualties than Lee could. He was basically the Energized Bunny general, he took a licking and he kept on ticking. For example, he was whipped at the Wilderness every bit as badly as Booker was whipped at Chancellorville but Grant.just kept on keeping on.
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I'm not bad mouthing Grant but his basic strategy was the Devil's math. He knew he could sustain far more casualties than Lee could. He was basically the Energized Bunny general, he took a licking and he kept on ticking. For example, he was whipped at the Wilderness every bit as badly as Booker was whipped at Chancellorville but Grant.just kept on keeping on.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM (LImiJ)
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I have a problem with extreme income inequality. At some point you can have too much money for the good of society.
I just don't have a solution that's not worse.
I just don't have a solution that's not worse.
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM (rwI+c)
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Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:26 PM (d20MQ)
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Hmm. I assumed you made a typo since the idea of Obama's DOJ suing a state for paying illegals is unbelievable. Broken clock theory I guess.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:26 PM (d20MQ)
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Hmm. I assumed you made a typo since the idea of Obama's DOJ suing a state for paying illegals is unbelievable. Broken clock theory I guess.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM (0LHZx)
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http://bit.ly/1yAuuN8
Weasel Zippers : DOJ Wins 48.8 million dollar lawsuit against the State of Pennsylvania FOR paying welfare benefits to illegals.
Weasel Zippers : DOJ Wins 48.8 million dollar lawsuit against the State of Pennsylvania FOR paying welfare benefits to illegals.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:29 PM (d20MQ)
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You're right. The Bible says what it says. And the Catholic Church requires celibacy from its priests (well, most of them, not all who are part of the Catholic Church adhere to this principle) based on Biblical texts.
Paul doesn't command it. He would have never thought it was for him to do so, but my point is THE CHURCH bases its restrictions on Biblical text!
You are free to interpret those texts however you wish, but it's silly for non-Catholics to decide the Church makes doctrinal choices for reasons of politics, rather than scripture.
You're right. The Bible says what it says. And the Catholic Church requires celibacy from its priests (well, most of them, not all who are part of the Catholic Church adhere to this principle) based on Biblical texts.
Paul doesn't command it. He would have never thought it was for him to do so, but my point is THE CHURCH bases its restrictions on Biblical text!
You are free to interpret those texts however you wish, but it's silly for non-Catholics to decide the Church makes doctrinal choices for reasons of politics, rather than scripture.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:29 PM (Dj0WE)
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>>The problem isn't income inequality, the problem is that the median income is falling.
And 50% of the Americans are still below the median income!!!!!
And 50% of the Americans are still below the median income!!!!!
Posted by: Democrats at January 19, 2015 01:29 PM (ABcz/)
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Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 01:29 PM (IXrOn)
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296 >>Liberals have completely forgotten the Laffer Curve and the purpose behind it.
I think they pretty much ignore it. Every Democrat idea for increasing revenue assumes that everything else will remain the same/there will be no change in human behavior in response to it.
Need more money? Double the cigarette tax....and then be baffled when cigarette tax revenue falls. What? Who? How can that be? I
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM (ABcz/)
Indeed. That's one reason why a lot of people switched to vaping, and why some state officials are now talking about taxing the shit out of vaping.
I think they pretty much ignore it. Every Democrat idea for increasing revenue assumes that everything else will remain the same/there will be no change in human behavior in response to it.
Need more money? Double the cigarette tax....and then be baffled when cigarette tax revenue falls. What? Who? How can that be? I
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM (ABcz/)
Indeed. That's one reason why a lot of people switched to vaping, and why some state officials are now talking about taxing the shit out of vaping.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 01:29 PM (2Ojst)
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Yes Obama is a blatant socialist (in his speeches and policies, but not in his own behavior, of course).
But I don't think a majority of the country wants to hear him called a socialist. Even if it's true, they reflexively withdraw from the name calling. That's your typical moderate LIV. That's how Obama won his reelections: he had these ridiculous policies and ideological stances, but in his speeches acted above the fray and portrayed his opponent as the divisive politician.
I think if we want to get the moderates, we have to avoid calling Obama a socialist even though it feels good just to call him out on his BS. If we don't stick to specifics and demonstrate why his policies are wrong, and just take the easy way out and call him a socialist, then we won't win a majority. A lot of people aren't Obama lovers but don't want to hear him called a socialist. They want to hear solutions. They perceive that Obama is trying to help out the little guy, even if it's nonsense. They need to see from the other side how our solutions are better.
It sucks, because he is a socialist. He's unpopular unless he's promoting wealth distribution and divisive policies. I just want to call him what he is. But I've seen too many people turned off by that rhetoric.
But I don't think a majority of the country wants to hear him called a socialist. Even if it's true, they reflexively withdraw from the name calling. That's your typical moderate LIV. That's how Obama won his reelections: he had these ridiculous policies and ideological stances, but in his speeches acted above the fray and portrayed his opponent as the divisive politician.
I think if we want to get the moderates, we have to avoid calling Obama a socialist even though it feels good just to call him out on his BS. If we don't stick to specifics and demonstrate why his policies are wrong, and just take the easy way out and call him a socialist, then we won't win a majority. A lot of people aren't Obama lovers but don't want to hear him called a socialist. They want to hear solutions. They perceive that Obama is trying to help out the little guy, even if it's nonsense. They need to see from the other side how our solutions are better.
It sucks, because he is a socialist. He's unpopular unless he's promoting wealth distribution and divisive policies. I just want to call him what he is. But I've seen too many people turned off by that rhetoric.
Posted by: Rob Westbrook at January 19, 2015 01:29 PM (/adjS)
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He was basically the Energized Bunny general, he took a licking and he kept on ticking.
Timex General.
Timex General.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (d20MQ)
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weaselzippers, whilw looking for something else - another idiot at work in NYS:
On Sunday, New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced the Anti-Poverty Opportunity Agenda, a 10 point plan to combat poverty and fight inequality.
The plan includes raising the statewide minimum wage in 2016 from $9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of living in New York City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage to $11.50.
On Sunday, New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced the Anti-Poverty Opportunity Agenda, a 10 point plan to combat poverty and fight inequality.
The plan includes raising the statewide minimum wage in 2016 from $9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of living in New York City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage to $11.50.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
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I'm still trying to figure out if he's an evil genius who is actively trying to destroy the country, or if the choom fried his brain and he has no idea what he's doing.
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We're on the horns of a dilemma of possibilities. No body could be that incompetent but nobody could be that evil.
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We're on the horns of a dilemma of possibilities. No body could be that incompetent but nobody could be that evil.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:31 PM (LImiJ)
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The sad part is the great unwashed love this shit. Taxing the evil boss man is popular. Getting free shit is popular. Democrats win these arguments because the vast majority of voters have no fucking clue how economics works.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:31 PM (0LHZx)
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The plan includes raising the statewide minimum wage in 2016 from $9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of living in New York City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage to $11.50.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
The Cuomo pledge: Fewer jobs! Less opportunity! Higher cost of living!
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
The Cuomo pledge: Fewer jobs! Less opportunity! Higher cost of living!
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 01:31 PM (2Ojst)
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If you are reading this, I'm already gone. They've hit me to make the producers and writers of Fast N Furious back off revealing top secret cop methods of infiltration and intel gathering. I've left everything with A$AP Yams so that they destroy....
Posted by: Paul Walker Diaries at January 19, 2015 01:31 PM (RJN20)
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Tax policy always reminds me of that line from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
Kirk: You've managed to kill everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!
Did you ever notice that every time they raise the taxes on the "rich" that within a couple of year, maybe months, that there is a report about how the "rich" are now even richer.
I say we tax everything over $100 million at 50% with no separation of capital gains.
This ought to really stick it to George Soros.
Kirk: You've managed to kill everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!
Did you ever notice that every time they raise the taxes on the "rich" that within a couple of year, maybe months, that there is a report about how the "rich" are now even richer.
I say we tax everything over $100 million at 50% with no separation of capital gains.
This ought to really stick it to George Soros.
Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at January 19, 2015 01:32 PM (e8kgV)
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The plan includes raising the statewide minimum wage
in 2016 from $9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of
living in New York City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage
to $11.50.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
And they'll be shocked when cost of living goes up. The stupid, it hurts my brain.
in 2016 from $9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of
living in New York City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage
to $11.50.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
And they'll be shocked when cost of living goes up. The stupid, it hurts my brain.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 01:32 PM (ThxKk)
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The plan includes raising the statewide minimum wage in 2016 from $9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of living in New York City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage to $11.50.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
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Thank you. Thank you very much.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
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Thank you. Thank you very much.
Posted by: The States Surrounding NY State at January 19, 2015 01:32 PM (0LHZx)
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I'm still trying to figure out if he's an evil genius who is actively trying to destroy the country, or if the choom fried his brain and he has no idea what he's doing.
He? You must mean Jarrett the Ferrett right?
He? You must mean Jarrett the Ferrett right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 01:33 PM (Zmw74)
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The plan includes raising the statewide minimum wage in 2016 from $9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of living in New York City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage to $11.50.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
I do not see "opportunity" in that formula.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
I do not see "opportunity" in that formula.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 01:34 PM (IXrOn)
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I'm still trying to figure out if he's an evil
genius who is actively trying to destroy the country, or if the choom
fried his brain and he has no idea what he's doing. Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM
The truth lies somewhere in between.
Choom Boy is consumed by hatred for all those who do not acknowledge his superiority and his right to do whatever he damn pleases. He is also filled with hatred for the white middle- and upper-class people who -- in his twisted mind -- held him back and caused it to take so long for him to rise to his deserved pinnacle of greatness.
This is a combination of his upbringing and also excessive use o0f ganja and other illegal drugs.
He is the proud child of Huey P. Newton and the Black Power movement. He fully believes in Taking it to the Man. When you add innate slefishness and the pampered life of an Affirmative Action addict, only disaster can result.
genius who is actively trying to destroy the country, or if the choom
fried his brain and he has no idea what he's doing. Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 01:28 PM
The truth lies somewhere in between.
Choom Boy is consumed by hatred for all those who do not acknowledge his superiority and his right to do whatever he damn pleases. He is also filled with hatred for the white middle- and upper-class people who -- in his twisted mind -- held him back and caused it to take so long for him to rise to his deserved pinnacle of greatness.
This is a combination of his upbringing and also excessive use o0f ganja and other illegal drugs.
He is the proud child of Huey P. Newton and the Black Power movement. He fully believes in Taking it to the Man. When you add innate slefishness and the pampered life of an Affirmative Action addict, only disaster can result.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 19, 2015 01:34 PM (yAC3X)
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They should pass a bill raising the marginal tax rate to 95%. It's what Paul Krugman always yaps about, how in the "good old days" that's what the top tax rate was.
Put it on lawyers. That is, to anyone belonging to a bar association. Perfectly legal and would make all the right people apoplectic.
Put it on lawyers. That is, to anyone belonging to a bar association. Perfectly legal and would make all the right people apoplectic.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 19, 2015 01:35 PM (b4b5c)
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"Democrats win these arguments because the vast majority of voters have no fucking clue how economics works."
Sadly true. I had an economics professor in college who was from some Eastern European country and had an accent so thick it was almost impossible to understand what he said. When he said "opportunity cost" it sounded like "vverefaeruy cstese" Basically gibberish, and the whole class passed the class by just reading the book ourselves because his lectures were beyond useless.
Anyway, I think that we all sound like that professor when we talk to the average person about economics. Might as well be speaking a different language. And they don't care enough to look anything up on their own, so we have idiocracy.
Brawndo's got electrolytes!
Sadly true. I had an economics professor in college who was from some Eastern European country and had an accent so thick it was almost impossible to understand what he said. When he said "opportunity cost" it sounded like "vverefaeruy cstese" Basically gibberish, and the whole class passed the class by just reading the book ourselves because his lectures were beyond useless.
Anyway, I think that we all sound like that professor when we talk to the average person about economics. Might as well be speaking a different language. And they don't care enough to look anything up on their own, so we have idiocracy.
Brawndo's got electrolytes!
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:35 PM (MYCIw)
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Oh, crap. I'm not doing color for this game, I'm operating a camera. This will be the last camera position I have to do before I've done them all (a requirement of everyone who calls games, just in case the need arises). So I'll be zooming and panning rather than ranting and raving. It's a much less stressful job, but not nearly as fun, and not what I want to do very often.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 01:35 PM (2cS/G)
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I do not see "opportunity" in that formula.>>>
I see lots of opportunity in it. At least for all those willing to flee NY
I see lots of opportunity in it. At least for all those willing to flee NY
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 19, 2015 01:36 PM (Mxs5H)
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Whatever. Who are you going to believe, the Catholic
Church, who says priests do not marry because it's in the Bible, or
their Orthodox/Protestant critics, who say it's all about politics?
You're going to believe who you believe, that's who.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)"
If the Roman Catholic Church decided things entirely based on the Bible it would be run by Protestants. Martin Luther pushed the doctrine of "sola scriptura" whereas the position of the Catholic Church is that theology is based on sacred scripture and sacred tradition. Since the Bible did not exist in anything like its present form until after 300 AD and there were Christians (and the Catholic Church) before that time, there seems to be a reasonable point to that position.
224 -
Whatever. Who are you going to believe, the Catholic
Church, who says priests do not marry because it's in the Bible, or
their Orthodox/Protestant critics, who say it's all about politics?
You're going to believe who you believe, that's who.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)"
If the Roman Catholic Church decided things entirely based on the Bible it would be run by Protestants. Martin Luther pushed the doctrine of "sola scriptura" whereas the position of the Catholic Church is that theology is based on sacred scripture and sacred tradition. Since the Bible did not exist in anything like its present form until after 300 AD and there were Christians (and the Catholic Church) before that time, there seems to be a reasonable point to that position.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 01:36 PM (KDbAT)
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We're on the horns of a dilemma of possibilities. No body could be that incompetent but nobody could be that evil.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:31 PM (LImiJ)
Exactly. And, while I'm thinking of it, isn't there a provision in the gov't for removing the Pres if he physically cannot fulfill the duties of office? Can't we get some doctor to say the guy is suffering from permanent exhaustion and can't be Pres anymore? Then get the same guy to say that the VP has dementia and needs treatment.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:31 PM (LImiJ)
Exactly. And, while I'm thinking of it, isn't there a provision in the gov't for removing the Pres if he physically cannot fulfill the duties of office? Can't we get some doctor to say the guy is suffering from permanent exhaustion and can't be Pres anymore? Then get the same guy to say that the VP has dementia and needs treatment.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 01:36 PM (ThxKk)
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ok, this -- some places aren't good for protests:
Shut down two bars and the group I wasn't in was assaulted by white bar patrons. They threw bar stools and a trash can.
http://tinyurl.com/p5wgttu
Shut down two bars and the group I wasn't in was assaulted by white bar patrons. They threw bar stools and a trash can.
http://tinyurl.com/p5wgttu
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:36 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 01:37 PM (IXrOn)
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I told my daughter the joke about why sums wrestlers shave their legs. She didn't think it was as funny as I did.
So you can tell them apart from feminists.
So you can tell them apart from feminists.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:37 PM (LImiJ)
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This will be the last camera position I have to do before I've done them all (a requirement of everyone who calls games, just in case the need arises). So I'll be zooming and panning rather than ranting and raving.
Don't zoom "too" much on audience racks.
Don't zoom "too" much on audience racks.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 01:37 PM (d20MQ)
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>>I do not see "opportunity" in that formula.>>>
Let's see...my tennants are making more money with a higher salary, so I can raise the rent!
Let's see...my tennants are making more money with a higher salary, so I can raise the rent!
Posted by: NYC Landlord at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM (ABcz/)
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Yes Obama is a blatant socialist (in his speeches and policies, but not in his own behavior, of course).
Are you kidding? The socialists are always the ones driving in the fanciest cars, with the biggest houses and the most diligent servants. Remember the French socialist who was (apparently falsely) accused of rape in a New York hotel?
Guy was living very high on the hog.
Are you kidding? The socialists are always the ones driving in the fanciest cars, with the biggest houses and the most diligent servants. Remember the French socialist who was (apparently falsely) accused of rape in a New York hotel?
Guy was living very high on the hog.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM (b4b5c)
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Here's what happened in Seatac, WA when the min wage was increased to $15
http://tinyurl.com/kkmpwc7
http://tinyurl.com/kkmpwc7
Posted by: The States Surrounding NY State at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM (0LHZx)
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"But it's the GOP and this is an outside the box idea, hence, will never happen."
It's not necessary out of the box idea. It's the kind of too-clever-by-half bullshit that starts with a 1-7% income tax on the wealthy in 1913 and grows into eating half of everyone's income in very short order
Stop with the damn gamesmanship. It is a recipe for unpleasantness.
It's not necessary out of the box idea. It's the kind of too-clever-by-half bullshit that starts with a 1-7% income tax on the wealthy in 1913 and grows into eating half of everyone's income in very short order
Stop with the damn gamesmanship. It is a recipe for unpleasantness.
Posted by: Jaws at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM (WKNX4)
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see drudge
Argentine prosecutor who accused Cristina Kirchner over 1994 bombings found dead
Alberto Nisman, who on Monday was due in parliament to present his case against president Cristina Kirchner, found dead days after warning "I could end up dead because of this"
see drudge
Argentine prosecutor who accused Cristina Kirchner over 1994 bombings found dead
Alberto Nisman, who on Monday was due in parliament to present his case against president Cristina Kirchner, found dead days after warning "I could end up dead because of this"
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM (IXrOn)
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This is why I say there is no end to prepping.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (WNERA)
If only there were a thread for that.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 19, 2015 01:13 PM (WNERA)
If only there were a thread for that.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 01:39 PM (nL0sw)
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Capital gains might be an issue (so expect to see it s-canned), but inheritance taxes are also something only those who are "almost rich" pay. The rich already have everything in trusts and other forms which are exempt from inheritance taxes. The poor don't leave enough to trigger the inheritance tax. So only those trying to advance themselves (and their children) get hit with them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (kff5f)
The Estate Tax is a killer to upper middle class and lower upper class small to medium business owners because it is a tax on "value" rather than income.
Small business owner dies, his/her spouse died several years earlier, and he/she has 3 kids. All 3 kids work in the family business, usually earning less than what a non-family member would earn because the family members have an expectation of future ownership of the company.
Business owner decides he doesn't want to put the business in a trust because he wants to make sure that he/she has control over it, because fuck Obama, he/she did build this business.
Let's look at his/her estate:
His home is worth $300K
Personal property is $100K
His investments are $400K
Now his/her company
Cash flow $500K
Cash on hand $200K
Real Estate $600K
Now, usually the company would be appraised at about $5.6M, but if he/she is like a lot of small/medium business owners, they are not trying to squeeze every nickle out of the business and are re-investing in the business, so the appraisers decide that the cash flow should be more like $600K a year, so they value the business at $6.6M.
So here is the estate tax situation:
$300K
$100K
$400K
$200K
$6.6M
For a grand total of $7.6M. Now the Feds/state want their money, and they want it now, so you will need to fork over about $3.8M right fucking now. In a situation like this, it is very hard for the family to come up with the cash or even get a loan to pay off the taxes, so the only alternative is to sell the company. That usually means to a much larger company, so there goes another small/medium sized business out the door, and hello to a much larger company.
BTW, as a result of this, 10-25% of the workers at the old company have been given pink slips because they are redundant, and the new company will probably not be investing in new equipment for a while because they need to service their debt first.
Good news is that there is also one less competitor in the marketplace, so consumers will have less choice, and they will probably now pay a higher cost, but it also means that the government has one less company to lean on to accept their new regulations.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 12:44 PM (kff5f)
The Estate Tax is a killer to upper middle class and lower upper class small to medium business owners because it is a tax on "value" rather than income.
Small business owner dies, his/her spouse died several years earlier, and he/she has 3 kids. All 3 kids work in the family business, usually earning less than what a non-family member would earn because the family members have an expectation of future ownership of the company.
Business owner decides he doesn't want to put the business in a trust because he wants to make sure that he/she has control over it, because fuck Obama, he/she did build this business.
Let's look at his/her estate:
His home is worth $300K
Personal property is $100K
His investments are $400K
Now his/her company
Cash flow $500K
Cash on hand $200K
Real Estate $600K
Now, usually the company would be appraised at about $5.6M, but if he/she is like a lot of small/medium business owners, they are not trying to squeeze every nickle out of the business and are re-investing in the business, so the appraisers decide that the cash flow should be more like $600K a year, so they value the business at $6.6M.
So here is the estate tax situation:
$300K
$100K
$400K
$200K
$6.6M
For a grand total of $7.6M. Now the Feds/state want their money, and they want it now, so you will need to fork over about $3.8M right fucking now. In a situation like this, it is very hard for the family to come up with the cash or even get a loan to pay off the taxes, so the only alternative is to sell the company. That usually means to a much larger company, so there goes another small/medium sized business out the door, and hello to a much larger company.
BTW, as a result of this, 10-25% of the workers at the old company have been given pink slips because they are redundant, and the new company will probably not be investing in new equipment for a while because they need to service their debt first.
Good news is that there is also one less competitor in the marketplace, so consumers will have less choice, and they will probably now pay a higher cost, but it also means that the government has one less company to lean on to accept their new regulations.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at January 19, 2015 01:41 PM (+Fae7)
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Guy was living very high on the hog.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM
I think you're confusing a political philosophy with simple greed.
Choom Boy is OWED the free jet, servants, bigass "Cadillac" limo, free housing, etc. Those are his by right because he wants them.
He hasn't earned a single damn thing in his worthless life. Why start now?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM
I think you're confusing a political philosophy with simple greed.
Choom Boy is OWED the free jet, servants, bigass "Cadillac" limo, free housing, etc. Those are his by right because he wants them.
He hasn't earned a single damn thing in his worthless life. Why start now?
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 19, 2015 01:41 PM (yAC3X)
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The last high school girls game I did, I was trying to avoid looking at a very attractive fan while we were setting up, because she looked college-aged, I didn't want to ogle. Well, she disappears from the stands at some point, and then emerges from the locker room in uniform, I was shocked and chagrined. She was a senior, already headed to University of Texas on scholarship, easily could have been 23 years old when in civilian clothes. Kind of a Mila Kunis look.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 01:41 PM (2cS/G)
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Sadly true. I had an economics professor in college who was from some Eastern European country and had an accent so thick it was almost impossible to understand what he said. When he said "opportunity cost" it sounded like "vverefaeruy cstese" Basically gibberish, and the whole class passed the class by just reading the book ourselves because his lectures were beyond useless.
_______________
Heh.
I had a prof like that as well in calculus. OK so I can't understand him, at least the TA will explain everything. Fuck. TA has an even thicker accent than prof, a Chinese accent.
I basically self taught myself calculus because of those two.
_______________
Heh.
I had a prof like that as well in calculus. OK so I can't understand him, at least the TA will explain everything. Fuck. TA has an even thicker accent than prof, a Chinese accent.
I basically self taught myself calculus because of those two.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:42 PM (0LHZx)
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So I guess the "American Sniper" movie's success is really annoying lefties. First, Michael Moore tweets about snipers being cowards, and now a billboard for the film has been defaced w/the word "murderer."
Sucks when the masses, given a choice, doesn't accept your Lefty propoganda, huh?
Sucks when the masses, given a choice, doesn't accept your Lefty propoganda, huh?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 01:43 PM (ABcz/)
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http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/
65 million people drawing some type of social security. If the Federal government ever stops paying . . .
Then there is welfare (cato.org)
http://tinyurl.com/pn6hy2s
$1 trillion dollars each year to fight poverty.
http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/
65 million people drawing some type of social security. If the Federal government ever stops paying . . .
Then there is welfare (cato.org)
http://tinyurl.com/pn6hy2s
$1 trillion dollars each year to fight poverty.
Posted by: Louie Hu at January 19, 2015 01:43 PM (jnpRd)
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Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)
Paul said he preferred those who were ministers of the gospel not to marry. He never forbade it. Preference.
Paul said he preferred those who were ministers of the gospel not to marry. He never forbade it. Preference.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 19, 2015 01:44 PM (dFi94)
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Obama is more like the Sheriff of Nottingham. Robin Hood was an
anti-government rebel, taking back money stolen from the peasants by
overtaxation.
anti-government rebel, taking back money stolen from the peasants by
overtaxation.
Posted by: Obama Forks America at January 19, 2015 01:44 PM (e8kgV)
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there seems to be a reasonable point to that position.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 01:36 PM (KDbAT)
I think the Roman Catholic Church is specifically mentioned (though not by name) in I Tim. 4:2-4. Take that as you will.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 01:36 PM (KDbAT)
I think the Roman Catholic Church is specifically mentioned (though not by name) in I Tim. 4:2-4. Take that as you will.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 19, 2015 01:44 PM (MbqmP)
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Well, let's be honest. Nobody really knows what Strauss-Kahn did to that woman in the hotel.
We DO that one of the most powerful politicians in Europe tried to skedaddle out of New York as fast as he could, and we subsequently learned what a rotten no-good dirty scoundrel the woman turned out to be.
Which is to say, we really don't know jack. Which odds will tell you has less to do with the woman being a scoundrel, and more to do with the fact that he's a terribly powerful Euro politician.
But people are free to believe he was totally innocent, just as they are free to believe OJ didn't slash his ex-wife's throat.
Well, let's be honest. Nobody really knows what Strauss-Kahn did to that woman in the hotel.
We DO that one of the most powerful politicians in Europe tried to skedaddle out of New York as fast as he could, and we subsequently learned what a rotten no-good dirty scoundrel the woman turned out to be.
Which is to say, we really don't know jack. Which odds will tell you has less to do with the woman being a scoundrel, and more to do with the fact that he's a terribly powerful Euro politician.
But people are free to believe he was totally innocent, just as they are free to believe OJ didn't slash his ex-wife's throat.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:44 PM (Dj0WE)
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It's not necessary out of the box idea. It's the kind of too-clever-by-half bullshit that starts with a 1-7% income tax on the wealthy in 1913 and grows into eating half of everyone's income in very short order
Stop with the damn gamesmanship. It is a recipe for unpleasantness.
Posted by: Jaws at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM (WKNX4)
__________
If the house/senate passed a bill raising the tax rate to 95%, Obama would veto it. The point would be made. And it would make the Dems look idiotic.
Stop with the damn gamesmanship. It is a recipe for unpleasantness.
Posted by: Jaws at January 19, 2015 01:38 PM (WKNX4)
__________
If the house/senate passed a bill raising the tax rate to 95%, Obama would veto it. The point would be made. And it would make the Dems look idiotic.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:45 PM (0LHZx)
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Not news: The feminists don't like American Sniper
News: because it promotes unrealistic beauty standards for babies.
http://tinyurl.com/k5wg79d
News: because it promotes unrealistic beauty standards for babies.
http://tinyurl.com/k5wg79d
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:46 PM (LImiJ)
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Not news: The feminists don't like American Sniper
News: because it promotes unrealistic beauty standards for babies.
http://tinyurl.com/k5wg79d
News: because it promotes unrealistic beauty standards for babies.
http://tinyurl.com/k5wg79d
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 01:46 PM (LImiJ)
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eh?
Sen. Ted Cruz Appearance Has Hollywood Group on Edge
Some members of a Hollywood organization are questioning whether to honor Ted Cruz.
The Caucus for Producers, Writers & Directors this year chose the conservative Senator from Texas as one of its recipients of its annual "American Spirit Award." Another is to go to liberal Calif. governor Jerry Brown.
The Caucus, founded three decades ago by Norman Lear, Aaron Spelling and others, has set a meeting Monday to determine whether to stick with its plan to give a Spirit award to Cruz after some of its more liberal members objected to the selection, and some threatened to quit if the decision wasn't reversed.
the hollywoodreporter.com
Sen. Ted Cruz Appearance Has Hollywood Group on Edge
Some members of a Hollywood organization are questioning whether to honor Ted Cruz.
The Caucus for Producers, Writers & Directors this year chose the conservative Senator from Texas as one of its recipients of its annual "American Spirit Award." Another is to go to liberal Calif. governor Jerry Brown.
The Caucus, founded three decades ago by Norman Lear, Aaron Spelling and others, has set a meeting Monday to determine whether to stick with its plan to give a Spirit award to Cruz after some of its more liberal members objected to the selection, and some threatened to quit if the decision wasn't reversed.
the hollywoodreporter.com
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 19, 2015 01:46 PM (IXrOn)
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I just saw a guy at Costco with 18 of those 5 gallon barrels of wine mix.
I figure he must be a Moron who's into prepping.
I figure he must be a Moron who's into prepping.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 19, 2015 01:47 PM (hPIA1)
Posted by: Pope Francis at January 19, 2015 01:47 PM (Tj+s6)
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If the house/senate passed a bill raising the tax rate to 95%, Obama would veto it.>>>
I wouldn't bet the farm on Obama giving it the veto. It would just speed up his plan for tanking America and the socialists selling plans to save us all.
I wouldn't bet the farm on Obama giving it the veto. It would just speed up his plan for tanking America and the socialists selling plans to save us all.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 19, 2015 01:48 PM (Mxs5H)
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The Great White Snark...
That's got to be satire, right? RIGHT?
Also, "The cunning mind of a serial killer"?
Fuck you, bitch.
That's got to be satire, right? RIGHT?
Also, "The cunning mind of a serial killer"?
Fuck you, bitch.
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:48 PM (MYCIw)
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"309
weaselzippers, whilw looking for something else - another idiot at work in NYS:
On Sunday, New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced the
Anti-Poverty Opportunity Agenda, a 10 point plan to combat poverty and
fight inequality.
The plan includes raising the statewide minimum wage in 2016 from
$9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of living in New York
City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage to $11.50.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)"
Raising the national minimum wage is a smart policy for high cost states like New York. It prevents employers from being able to take full advantage of moving to lower cost of living places by requiring them to pay higher wages than the market would result in. This results in more unemployment in the low cost areas and less unemployment in the high cost areas. Creating a state minimum wage that is higher than the national minimum wage just accelerates the movement of employers out of the state. It does not make economic sense but it is popular among the economic illiterates who make up the base of the Democratic Party.
weaselzippers, whilw looking for something else - another idiot at work in NYS:
On Sunday, New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced the
Anti-Poverty Opportunity Agenda, a 10 point plan to combat poverty and
fight inequality.
The plan includes raising the statewide minimum wage in 2016 from
$9.00 per hour to $10.50. However, since the cost of living in New York
City is so high, Cuomo plans to up city minimum wage to $11.50.
Posted by: mallfly at January 19, 2015 01:30 PM (bJm7W)"
Raising the national minimum wage is a smart policy for high cost states like New York. It prevents employers from being able to take full advantage of moving to lower cost of living places by requiring them to pay higher wages than the market would result in. This results in more unemployment in the low cost areas and less unemployment in the high cost areas. Creating a state minimum wage that is higher than the national minimum wage just accelerates the movement of employers out of the state. It does not make economic sense but it is popular among the economic illiterates who make up the base of the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 01:48 PM (KDbAT)
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Just pass a bill that places a 150% tax on all gross book revenues by presidents & former presidents. Seems fair to me.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 19, 2015 01:48 PM (MbqmP)
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>>News: because it promotes unrealistic beauty standards for babies.
Wow, are they ever spooked! That is bananas.
Wow, are they ever spooked! That is bananas.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 01:48 PM (ABcz/)
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I know, I know, no f words unless necessary, but I contend that one was necessary.
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:48 PM (MYCIw)
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Well, let's be honest. Nobody really knows what Strauss-Kahn did to that woman in the hotel.
Oh, yeah all that cum that showed up on the floor, the sheets, etc.
It was the yard man with the same dna as the Jewish guy.
What are you talking about? He admitted to assaulting the BLACK woman to get out of town.
331 -
Well, let's be honest. Nobody really knows what Strauss-Kahn did to that woman in the hotel.
Oh, yeah all that cum that showed up on the floor, the sheets, etc.
It was the yard man with the same dna as the Jewish guy.
What are you talking about? He admitted to assaulting the BLACK woman to get out of town.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 01:49 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2015 01:50 PM (CMqaG)
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2015 01:51 PM (CMqaG)
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Just pass a bill that places a 150% tax on all gross book revenues by presidents former presidents. Seems fair to me.
All government employees and former employee for books and speeches about their time in government should have a 50% tax
Just pass a bill that places a 150% tax on all gross book revenues by presidents former presidents. Seems fair to me.
All government employees and former employee for books and speeches about their time in government should have a 50% tax
Posted by: Obama Forks America at January 19, 2015 01:51 PM (e8kgV)
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I know. People seem to want to keep telling me the Bible doesn't contain the phrase "Catholic priest are not allowed to marry, not no way, not no how!"
I never said it did. I merely said the Church bases its position on priests and marriage on scripture. A strong argument can be made, and has been made by the Church that it is wise to have celibate priests, and that Paul's words are used to make that argument.
As opposed to the decision being based on worldly greed and politics. People are free to believe otherwise, however.
I know. People seem to want to keep telling me the Bible doesn't contain the phrase "Catholic priest are not allowed to marry, not no way, not no how!"
I never said it did. I merely said the Church bases its position on priests and marriage on scripture. A strong argument can be made, and has been made by the Church that it is wise to have celibate priests, and that Paul's words are used to make that argument.
As opposed to the decision being based on worldly greed and politics. People are free to believe otherwise, however.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:51 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 19, 2015 01:51 PM (ZPrif)
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Until he came up against U.S.Grant who wrote in his memoirs that he was not particularly impressed by Lee's skill as a general.
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I'm not bad mouthing Grant but his basic strategy was the Devil's
math. He knew he could sustain far more casualties than Lee could. He
was basically the Energized Bunny general, he took a licking and he kept
on ticking. For example, he was whipped at the Wilderness every bit as
badly as Booker was whipped at Chancellorville but Grant.just kept on
keeping on.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
Plus, Grant v. Lee didn't occur until very late in the war, when the CSA was clearly on the wane and the US ascendent. ANV's veteran manpower was severely depleted, supplies were low, remaining railroad routes to connect states were circuitous and rolling stock in poor condition. Repeating rifles were becoming much more prevalent in US units, and CSA didn't really have any answer to that. From what I have read, my impression is Lee did a very good job with limited resources. He was heavily dependent on Jackson for tactical success, whose death sorely hurt ANV after Chancellorsville.
Grant was an excellent commander (my opinion on this subject has changed in recent years). He possessed good strategic vision (both in recognizing the winning strategy of attrition as well as in strategic maneuver). He identified his objectives and then pursued them with a dogged, iron will--and that separated him from most of his predecessors in East.
The war was basically a stalemate in the East, and was won/lost in the West, where CSA was mostly outmatched through the whole event.
And, longbows and carpet.
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I'm not bad mouthing Grant but his basic strategy was the Devil's
math. He knew he could sustain far more casualties than Lee could. He
was basically the Energized Bunny general, he took a licking and he kept
on ticking. For example, he was whipped at the Wilderness every bit as
badly as Booker was whipped at Chancellorville but Grant.just kept on
keeping on.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
Plus, Grant v. Lee didn't occur until very late in the war, when the CSA was clearly on the wane and the US ascendent. ANV's veteran manpower was severely depleted, supplies were low, remaining railroad routes to connect states were circuitous and rolling stock in poor condition. Repeating rifles were becoming much more prevalent in US units, and CSA didn't really have any answer to that. From what I have read, my impression is Lee did a very good job with limited resources. He was heavily dependent on Jackson for tactical success, whose death sorely hurt ANV after Chancellorsville.
Grant was an excellent commander (my opinion on this subject has changed in recent years). He possessed good strategic vision (both in recognizing the winning strategy of attrition as well as in strategic maneuver). He identified his objectives and then pursued them with a dogged, iron will--and that separated him from most of his predecessors in East.
The war was basically a stalemate in the East, and was won/lost in the West, where CSA was mostly outmatched through the whole event.
And, longbows and carpet.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 19, 2015 01:52 PM (/Ho8c)
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Brawndo's got electrolytes!
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:35 PM (MYCIw)
I've never figured out how they can count Deficit spending in the GDP growth number...
How can the Government going MORE in debt, count as economic growth.
And the US Government went more than 1 TRILLION dollars in debt last year... on a $16.5 Trillion GDP.... ie more than 5% of the total economy, was the Fed Gov going more in debt.
Which is MORE than what they say the Economy grew last year (about 3%).
Posted by: Lauren at January 19, 2015 01:35 PM (MYCIw)
I've never figured out how they can count Deficit spending in the GDP growth number...
How can the Government going MORE in debt, count as economic growth.
And the US Government went more than 1 TRILLION dollars in debt last year... on a $16.5 Trillion GDP.... ie more than 5% of the total economy, was the Fed Gov going more in debt.
Which is MORE than what they say the Economy grew last year (about 3%).
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 01:54 PM (qh617)
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They try not to mention that most Billionaires are liberal democrats who will find some way to pay the minimum.
Posted by: deepred at January 19, 2015 01:54 PM (xv5cf)
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So, bottom line. Lee, commandant of West Point, was asked to head the Union Army.
He declined and went with his native Virginia. When Grant was sober, he was a hell of a general.
Lee taught him.
He declined and went with his native Virginia. When Grant was sober, he was a hell of a general.
Lee taught him.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 01:55 PM (0FSuD)
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The Republican Response in my dream world would be:
Mr. President: We propose a flat tax and near total elimination of the IRS to pay for all your boondoggles. When you are ready to make a deal, call Mitch...
Mr. President: We propose a flat tax and near total elimination of the IRS to pay for all your boondoggles. When you are ready to make a deal, call Mitch...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 19, 2015 01:55 PM (4+IgA)
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And the US Government went more than 1 TRILLION dollars in debt last year... on a $16.5 Trillion GDP.... ie more than 5% of the total economy, was the Fed Gov going more in debt.
Which is MORE than what they say the Economy grew last year (about 3%).
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 01:54 PM (qh617)
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The deficit last year was $480B, not over a trillion.
Which is MORE than what they say the Economy grew last year (about 3%).
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 01:54 PM (qh617)
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The deficit last year was $480B, not over a trillion.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:57 PM (0LHZx)
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"At this point I believe the 1 percent do need a good gouging. Most of them are dems."
The reason why so much Google and Goldman Sachs money flows into the Democratic Party is because of a simple protection racket. Fund the institutional left faithfully, and someone else's taxes will be raised at crunch time.
The reason why so much Google and Goldman Sachs money flows into the Democratic Party is because of a simple protection racket. Fund the institutional left faithfully, and someone else's taxes will be raised at crunch time.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 01:57 PM (noWW6)
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Another day, another round of bullshit.
Obama, Oprah, Rogen, Moore, Sharpton......and on. Meanwhile American Sniper hits 90.2 million.
Obama, Oprah, Rogen, Moore, Sharpton......and on. Meanwhile American Sniper hits 90.2 million.
Posted by: Cheri at January 19, 2015 01:57 PM (ZFPMM)
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I really haven't been following the case. I sincerely doubt he ever admitted assaulting her, however.
Last I heard he was sticking to his guns that she was a con artist/prostitute, trying to shake him down. And the American media/legal system were more inclined to believe him than her.
I really haven't been following the case. I sincerely doubt he ever admitted assaulting her, however.
Last I heard he was sticking to his guns that she was a con artist/prostitute, trying to shake him down. And the American media/legal system were more inclined to believe him than her.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 01:57 PM (Dj0WE)
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Steven Crowder retweeted
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Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 19, 2015 01:57 PM (ZPrif)
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If there is a lesson to be learned from the Civil War it's simple :
If you are going to war make the SOB fight on his ground not your own. It's damn difficult to field an effective army when your farms and factories are on fire, and your logistics are being looted.
If you are going to war make the SOB fight on his ground not your own. It's damn difficult to field an effective army when your farms and factories are on fire, and your logistics are being looted.
Posted by: Louie Hu at January 19, 2015 01:57 PM (jnpRd)
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As a % of GDP, last year;s deficit was 2.5%, which is pretty good.
And no I'm not saying let's start spending more, but when things improve, you have to acknowledge the improvement.
And no I'm not saying let's start spending more, but when things improve, you have to acknowledge the improvement.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:58 PM (0LHZx)
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How the hell am I supposed to dick around at work if I can't sneak-peek here?
Posted by: Courageous fighter of blind kittens at January 19, 2015 01:58 PM (PEgKF)
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Then get the same guy to say that the VP has dementia and needs treatment.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 01:36 PM (ThxKk)
But then you have the boner
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 19, 2015 01:36 PM (ThxKk)
But then you have the boner
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 01:58 PM (R8hU8)
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So, bottom line. Lee, commandant of West Point, was asked to head the Union Army.
He declined and went with his native Virginia. When Grant was sober, he was a hell of a general.
Lee taught him.
Posted by: Nip Sip
Very succinct. I like.
He declined and went with his native Virginia. When Grant was sober, he was a hell of a general.
Lee taught him.
Posted by: Nip Sip
Very succinct. I like.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 19, 2015 01:58 PM (/Ho8c)
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Martin Luther pushed the doctrine of "sola scriptura" whereas the position of the Catholic Church is that theology is based on sacred scripture and sacred tradition.
He also thought the Sun revolved around the Earth and called for the death of a scientist who published works to the contrary.
He also thought the Sun revolved around the Earth and called for the death of a scientist who published works to the contrary.
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat at January 19, 2015 01:59 PM (zxQ4h)
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THEN WHO WAS BONER?
Posted by: Tired Meme at January 19, 2015 01:59 PM (/Ho8c)
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Oh, here we go: 'American Sniper' Complaints Grow in Hollywood: Should Clint Eastwood Be Celebrating a 'Killer'?
He was a soldier. In a war. And he killed Taliban, right?
What would Kyle have to do to please them - take out men who were actively stoning a woman for adultery or attempting to fling a homosexual off a tall building? Obviously taking out people who are actively killing his fellow soldiers isn't enough.
Link at Drudge.
He was a soldier. In a war. And he killed Taliban, right?
What would Kyle have to do to please them - take out men who were actively stoning a woman for adultery or attempting to fling a homosexual off a tall building? Obviously taking out people who are actively killing his fellow soldiers isn't enough.
Link at Drudge.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 01:59 PM (ABcz/)
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If there is a lesson to be learned from the Civil War it's simple :
Five men can whip three men over an extended period of time
Five men can whip three men over an extended period of time
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:00 PM (R8hU8)
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Just got back. Before anyone knows, DC will be considering make any person who's single and making more that $50K to be rich. And the GOPe will fall right in line with it.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:00 PM (qbgxo)
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If you are going to war make the SOB fight on his ground not your own. It's damn difficult to field an effective army when your farms and factories are on fire, and your logistics are being looted.
I use the same strategy for sex.
I use the same strategy for sex.
Posted by: wooga at January 19, 2015 02:00 PM (Rg/iI)
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The deficit last year was $480B, not over a trillion.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:57 PM (0LHZx)
Then why did the debt increase over 1 Trillion dollars last year?
You are listening to Obama Numbers.... where a decrease in the price of gas, is like getting a Tax decrease (heard this from numerous Fox pundits)...
Where a decrease in the increase... is a REAL decrease.
And don't even get me started on the unemployment numbers...
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:57 PM (0LHZx)
Then why did the debt increase over 1 Trillion dollars last year?
You are listening to Obama Numbers.... where a decrease in the price of gas, is like getting a Tax decrease (heard this from numerous Fox pundits)...
Where a decrease in the increase... is a REAL decrease.
And don't even get me started on the unemployment numbers...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:01 PM (qh617)
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Did Hollywood ever question Tarintino for celebrating killers? Polanski?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 02:02 PM (ABcz/)
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Also helps if those five men have essentially an endless supply of weapons, ammo, food, clothing, and basically everything else to conduct a war... and the three guys, don't.
Also helps if those five men have essentially an endless supply of weapons, ammo, food, clothing, and basically everything else to conduct a war... and the three guys, don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 02:02 PM (Dj0WE)
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Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:58 PM (0LHZx)
Uh.... National debt...
2013? 16.7 Trillion
2014? 17.8 Trillion
Last time I checked my math... that's 1.1 Trillion.... not .48 Trillion.
Uh.... National debt...
2013? 16.7 Trillion
2014? 17.8 Trillion
Last time I checked my math... that's 1.1 Trillion.... not .48 Trillion.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:04 PM (qh617)
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"The deficit last year was $480B, not over a trillion."
There are so many accounting gimmicks and tweaks and shuffles going on within Fedzilla that the official deficit figures can no longer be trusted.
(As with the official inflation figures, the official employment figures, the official welfare use figures, the official military readiness figures, the official VA waiting time figures, et cetera.)
For example, on one single day late in 2014, a hundred billion bucks suddenly appeared from out of nowhere on the debt books. Boom.
I use Treasury's debt-to-the-penny tables to figure out a more accurate picture.
Between the first and the last days of fiscal (not calendar) 2014, which is the period over which the ostensible "$480B deficit" is calculated, the actual debt increased by $1.076T.
I will now slink off to the Barrel for contaminating the blog with math.
There are so many accounting gimmicks and tweaks and shuffles going on within Fedzilla that the official deficit figures can no longer be trusted.
(As with the official inflation figures, the official employment figures, the official welfare use figures, the official military readiness figures, the official VA waiting time figures, et cetera.)
For example, on one single day late in 2014, a hundred billion bucks suddenly appeared from out of nowhere on the debt books. Boom.
I use Treasury's debt-to-the-penny tables to figure out a more accurate picture.
Between the first and the last days of fiscal (not calendar) 2014, which is the period over which the ostensible "$480B deficit" is calculated, the actual debt increased by $1.076T.
I will now slink off to the Barrel for contaminating the blog with math.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 02:04 PM (noWW6)
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Interesting poll in Great Britain shows support for the various parties:
29% Conservatives
28% Labour
9% Liberal Democrats
15% UKIP
11% Green
Until recently the Conservative Party has been echoing the left wing line that UKIP are all just a bunch of racist, xenophobic troglodytes. That approach does not seem to be working all that well and the Tories are now scrambling to come up with a reason for people to vote for them.
Interesting parallel with the situation in the US.
29% Conservatives
28% Labour
9% Liberal Democrats
15% UKIP
11% Green
Until recently the Conservative Party has been echoing the left wing line that UKIP are all just a bunch of racist, xenophobic troglodytes. That approach does not seem to be working all that well and the Tories are now scrambling to come up with a reason for people to vote for them.
Interesting parallel with the situation in the US.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 02:05 PM (KDbAT)
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I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future.
Posted by: Hussein's greatest hits at January 19, 2015 02:06 PM (wAQA5)
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I will now slink off to the Barrel for contaminating the blog with math.
Your numbers won't help you in there.
Your numbers won't help you in there.
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2015 02:07 PM (CMqaG)
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Interesting parallel with the situation in the US.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 02:05 PM (KDbAT)
Latest Gallup Poll...
42% of the US voters self identify as Independent.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 02:05 PM (KDbAT)
Latest Gallup Poll...
42% of the US voters self identify as Independent.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:07 PM (qh617)
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Yeah, but Math is Racist.
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 02:07 PM (Zu0pf)
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This is how countries spiral down the drain, chasing one socialist/communist bad idea after another...championed by dictators who get the vast legions of envious have-nots behind them to push the bad ideas along.
You end up in a country where you will wait in line all day, for hours, just to get your hands on a roll of toilet paper. Or some moldy sausage. Or a pair of shoes that won't fit anyone in your family.
You end up in a country where you will wait in line all day, for hours, just to get your hands on a roll of toilet paper. Or some moldy sausage. Or a pair of shoes that won't fit anyone in your family.
Posted by: Boots at January 19, 2015 02:07 PM (l9mF2)
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When you start with that ZeroHedge / Ron Paul conspiracy bullshit about the debt you lose all credibility in a discussion.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:07 PM (0LHZx)
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Lot of fooking here after Ace ask that it stop unless absolutely necessary.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:08 PM (R8hU8)
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I will now slink off to the Barrel for contaminating the blog with math.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 02:04 PM (noWW6)
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It's worth noting this debt increase (cash deficit) occurred in a record year for tax receipts
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 02:04 PM (noWW6)
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It's worth noting this debt increase (cash deficit) occurred in a record year for tax receipts
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 02:08 PM (6um35)
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A guy who was on the sidelines of the Pats game says that there was a moment when a kicking football was about to be used from scrimmage, so the ball attendant ran across the field and gave an official the right ball. At that point, some of the Colts players/coaches started to react and yell to the refs that the Pats were "messing with the ball". He thinks that started the whole chain of events that led to the article, the complaint, and now the NFL "looking into it". If so, it's a big nothingburger.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2015 02:08 PM (2cS/G)
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Today I'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office.
Posted by: Hussein's greatest hits at January 19, 2015 02:09 PM (wAQA5)
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"390
"The deficit last year was $480B, not over a trillion."
There are so many accounting gimmicks and tweaks and shuffles going
on within Fedzilla that the official deficit figures can no longer be
trusted.
(As with the official inflation figures, the official employment
figures, the official welfare use figures, the official military
readiness figures, the official VA waiting time figures, et cetera.)
For example, on one single day late in 2014, a hundred billion bucks
suddenly appeared from out of nowhere on the debt books. Boom.
I use Treasury's debt-to-the-penny tables to figure out a more accurate picture.
Between the first and the last days of fiscal (not calendar) 2014,
which is the period over which the ostensible "$480B deficit" is
calculated, the actual debt increased by $1.076T.
I will now slink off to the Barrel for contaminating the blog with math.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 02:04 PM (noWW6)"
One of those rules of thumb that you can count on is that government statistics in communist countries are always deliberately falsified.
"The deficit last year was $480B, not over a trillion."
There are so many accounting gimmicks and tweaks and shuffles going
on within Fedzilla that the official deficit figures can no longer be
trusted.
(As with the official inflation figures, the official employment
figures, the official welfare use figures, the official military
readiness figures, the official VA waiting time figures, et cetera.)
For example, on one single day late in 2014, a hundred billion bucks
suddenly appeared from out of nowhere on the debt books. Boom.
I use Treasury's debt-to-the-penny tables to figure out a more accurate picture.
Between the first and the last days of fiscal (not calendar) 2014,
which is the period over which the ostensible "$480B deficit" is
calculated, the actual debt increased by $1.076T.
I will now slink off to the Barrel for contaminating the blog with math.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 02:04 PM (noWW6)"
One of those rules of thumb that you can count on is that government statistics in communist countries are always deliberately falsified.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 02:09 PM (KDbAT)
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397 When you start with that ZeroHedge / Ron Paul conspiracy bullshit about the debt you lose all credibility in a discussion.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:07 PM (0LHZx)
Really???? THATS the US TREASURY's own numbers.
Note, when you cannot support your position with facts.... start the personal attacks...
How.... very progressive of you...
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:07 PM (0LHZx)
Really???? THATS the US TREASURY's own numbers.
Note, when you cannot support your position with facts.... start the personal attacks...
How.... very progressive of you...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:09 PM (qh617)
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29% Conservative Socialists
28% Labour Socialists
9% Liberal Democrat Socialists
15% UKIP Socialists
11% Green Socialists
That's basically how my brain sees any poll from EU.
28% Labour Socialists
9% Liberal Democrat Socialists
15% UKIP Socialists
11% Green Socialists
That's basically how my brain sees any poll from EU.
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2015 02:09 PM (CMqaG)
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2015 02:10 PM (CMqaG)
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Uh.... National debt... 2013? 16.7 Trillion 2014? 17.8 Trillion Last time I checked my math... that's 1.1 Trillion.... not .48 Trillion.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:04 PM (qh617)
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Moo is thinking deficit, not debt. I suspect even the deficit numbers have been cooked.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:04 PM (qh617)
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Moo is thinking deficit, not debt. I suspect even the deficit numbers have been cooked.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:10 PM (qbgxo)
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42% of the US voters self identify as Independent.
I think a lot of people refer to themselves this way because they have heard that it makes them appear smarter.
I think a lot of people refer to themselves this way because they have heard that it makes them appear smarter.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 19, 2015 02:10 PM (W5DcG)
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Really???? THATS the US TREASURY's own numbers.
Note, when you cannot support your position with facts.... start the personal attacks...
How.... very progressive of you...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:09 PM (qh617)
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OK go back and line up the debt changes year to year with the deficit numbers from 2000 to 2007. Hmmm...what do you know they don't exactly match linearly.
I guess GWB is a communist too.
Note, when you cannot support your position with facts.... start the personal attacks...
How.... very progressive of you...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:09 PM (qh617)
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OK go back and line up the debt changes year to year with the deficit numbers from 2000 to 2007. Hmmm...what do you know they don't exactly match linearly.
I guess GWB is a communist too.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:11 PM (0LHZx)
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Why the hell can't the NFL just use one fucking ball?
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 02:12 PM (Zu0pf)
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I will now slink off to the Barrel for contaminating the blog with math.
"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
Posted by: Church Lady, clutching Bible and AR-15 at January 19, 2015 02:12 PM (zxQ4h)
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Obama playing Robin Hood is not so bad. .Michelle could've played Lady Godiva.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 02:12 PM (LImiJ)
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Fucking is necessary.
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2015 02:12 PM (CMqaG)
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The deficit and debt don't line up in straight line. If the deficit is $500B, the debt doesn't got from X to X+$500B the next year.
It's not a conspiracy or an Obama thing. It's a really fucked up way of doing math which has been going on forever, long before Obama had anything to do with it.
It's not a conspiracy or an Obama thing. It's a really fucked up way of doing math which has been going on forever, long before Obama had anything to do with it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:12 PM (0LHZx)
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As a % of GDP, last year;s deficit was 2.5%, which is pretty good.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:58 PM
Is that because the economy is 'better' or because interests rates are pretty low and the Fed is sustaining the market by buying treasury notes. If your'e borrowing money to pay the bills I don't care how you rearrange the numbers, or how low your payments are you're going broke.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 01:58 PM
Is that because the economy is 'better' or because interests rates are pretty low and the Fed is sustaining the market by buying treasury notes. If your'e borrowing money to pay the bills I don't care how you rearrange the numbers, or how low your payments are you're going broke.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:12 PM (60Vyp)
Posted by: Adolf the Hitler at January 19, 2015 02:13 PM (zxQ4h)
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Is that because the economy is 'better' or because interests rates are pretty low and the Fed is sustaining the market by buying treasury notes. If your'e borrowing money to pay the bills I don't care how you rearrange the numbers, or how low your payments are you're going broke.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:12 PM (60Vyp)
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It's mainly because tax receipts have doubled in the past 4 years while spending has barely increased.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:12 PM (60Vyp)
___________
It's mainly because tax receipts have doubled in the past 4 years while spending has barely increased.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:13 PM (0LHZx)
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fooking here after Ace ask that it stop
Did he ask again recently or was that CBD echoing the old request?
Cause he's gotten a little bluer on the front page since TFGs 2nd term.
Did he ask again recently or was that CBD echoing the old request?
Cause he's gotten a little bluer on the front page since TFGs 2nd term.
Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 02:13 PM (DL2i+)
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CBD
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:14 PM (R8hU8)
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All kinds of good stuff is happening, I mean we have cut our deficit by more than half.
Posted by: Hussein's greatest hits at January 19, 2015 02:14 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:14 PM (0LHZx)
421
Ace is becoming radicalized.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 02:15 PM (LImiJ)
422
Ace is becoming radicalized.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 02:15 PM (LImiJ)
423
"Michelle could've played Lady Godiva."
How 'bout her horse. I think her horse would be more appropriate.
How 'bout her horse. I think her horse would be more appropriate.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 19, 2015 02:15 PM (LA7Cm)
424
Err...tax revenue is up 50%. not doubled.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:15 PM (0LHZx)
425
in case no one's mentioned it, 'Bog se Javi!' - Christ Appears! Happy Theophany!
Posted by: Serbian Orthodox lurker at January 19, 2015 02:16 PM (fUjxW)
426
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:14 PM (0LHZx)
A novice here. Are the QE's ad infinitum represented on that graph?
A novice here. Are the QE's ad infinitum represented on that graph?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 02:16 PM (GqEzX)
427
Using Horde commentary I'm going to predict that Obama will brag about the US economy in his State of the Union Publicity Stunt, his success at reducing the federal budget deficit, and since so many people are so successful because of his successful fiscal policies that a slight increase taxes will be the least we can do for the poor and unfortunate who have been left behind by Bush and the republicans.
Posted by: Louie Hu at January 19, 2015 02:17 PM (jnpRd)
428
A novice here. Are the QE's ad infinitum represented on that graph?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 02:16 PM (GqEzX)
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That's monetary policy, ie printing money. Debt/deficit is fiscal policy, ie spending and taxation. The two are related, but accounted for differently. Basically what the fed does is balance sheet items, what treasury does is income statement items.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 19, 2015 02:16 PM (GqEzX)
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That's monetary policy, ie printing money. Debt/deficit is fiscal policy, ie spending and taxation. The two are related, but accounted for differently. Basically what the fed does is balance sheet items, what treasury does is income statement items.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:18 PM (0LHZx)
429
Gpod essay on Martin Luther King over at "Legal Insurrection" Yes, he was a flawed figure but he offered hope and was a man of courage. Al Sharpton is sometimes referred to in online articles as a "Civil Rights advocate". There is nothing comparable to the two figures. For one thing, Rev King knew his Bible. He was willing to give his life for the cause. Instead, in the wake of Sharpton's marches, other people died. King gave his life, Sharpton takes, takes, takes.
Augustis Tolton, AA priest (candidate for consideration for canonization in the RCC) please pray that Sharpton gets a new heart and right spirit within himself.
Augustis Tolton, AA priest (candidate for consideration for canonization in the RCC) please pray that Sharpton gets a new heart and right spirit within himself.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 19, 2015 02:18 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 19, 2015 02:19 PM (DXzRD)
431
It's mainly because tax receipts have doubled in the past 4 years while spending has barely increased.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:13 PM
And yet the debt rises. Every. Year. Not the deficit; the debt. You can make all the gestures and claims and show all the graphs that you want to, but the simple fact is every year the federal debt gets larger. There is no effort made to repay it, only to manage the rate of growth of the deficit. It is simply unsustainable.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:13 PM
And yet the debt rises. Every. Year. Not the deficit; the debt. You can make all the gestures and claims and show all the graphs that you want to, but the simple fact is every year the federal debt gets larger. There is no effort made to repay it, only to manage the rate of growth of the deficit. It is simply unsustainable.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:19 PM (60Vyp)
432
425 in case no one's mentioned it, 'Bog se Javi!' - Christ Appears! Happy Theophany!
Posted by: Serbian Orthodox lurker at January 19, 2015 02:16 PM (fUjxW)
A Feast! Let's eat.
Happy Theophany to you.
Posted by: Serbian Orthodox lurker at January 19, 2015 02:16 PM (fUjxW)
A Feast! Let's eat.
Happy Theophany to you.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 19, 2015 02:19 PM (dFi94)
433
It is simply unsustainable.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:19 PM (60Vyp)
Yup
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:19 PM (60Vyp)
Yup
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:20 PM (R8hU8)
434
"383
If there is a lesson to be learned from the Civil War it's simple :
Five men can whip three men over an extended period of time
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:00 PM (R8hU"
The lesson from the Civil War is the same lesson from the Vietnam War and the lesson from the Iraq War i.e. if Democrats gain political power, the United States will lose. If the Democrats had won the 1864 election, they would have lost the Civil War. That was part of their party platform. One other lesson from the 1864 election is that Democrats tried to prevent absentee ballots from American soldiers from being counted.
If there is a lesson to be learned from the Civil War it's simple :
Five men can whip three men over an extended period of time
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:00 PM (R8hU
"The lesson from the Civil War is the same lesson from the Vietnam War and the lesson from the Iraq War i.e. if Democrats gain political power, the United States will lose. If the Democrats had won the 1864 election, they would have lost the Civil War. That was part of their party platform. One other lesson from the 1864 election is that Democrats tried to prevent absentee ballots from American soldiers from being counted.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 02:21 PM (KDbAT)
435
And yet the debt rises. Every. Year. Not the deficit; the debt. You can make all the gestures and claims and show all the graphs that you want to, but the simple fact is every year the federal debt gets larger. There is no effort made to repay it, only to manage the rate of growth of the deficit. It is simply unsustainable.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:19 PM (60Vyp)
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You're right the debt increases. Even if we had a surplus, the debt would still increase. It's counter intuitive, but it's the way accounting works. I'm not making gestures or claims, I'm telling you how it works.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:19 PM (60Vyp)
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You're right the debt increases. Even if we had a surplus, the debt would still increase. It's counter intuitive, but it's the way accounting works. I'm not making gestures or claims, I'm telling you how it works.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:21 PM (0LHZx)
436
"It is simply unsustainable."
Can. Road.
Leave the mess for the next guy/gall, on and on, ad infinitum.
Can. Road.
Leave the mess for the next guy/gall, on and on, ad infinitum.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 19, 2015 02:21 PM (LA7Cm)
437
A Feast! Let's eat.
Gotta find the Drano first -- under a clogged sink or in the kitchen pantry? Decisions, decisions!
Gotta find the Drano first -- under a clogged sink or in the kitchen pantry? Decisions, decisions!
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat at January 19, 2015 02:22 PM (zxQ4h)
438
A lot of talk about deflation and how the banks are terrified but I guess I don't understand.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:22 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Lance Armstrong at January 19, 2015 02:23 PM (Dj0WE)
440
What matters is the ratio. If the debt rises by a smaller % than GDP growth, that's a good thing. And that's what happened last year.
The country has had debt since 1776. Every country has debt. Debt is not a bad thing necessarily.
The country has had debt since 1776. Every country has debt. Debt is not a bad thing necessarily.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:23 PM (0LHZx)
441
I saw Bog se Javi open for Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes.
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat at January 19, 2015 02:25 PM (zxQ4h)
442
It's not a slow news day until I see a Gorn in the sidebar.
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 02:25 PM (Zu0pf)
443
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat at January 19, 2015 01:59 PM (zxQ4h)
Without arguing the point, Protestants can handle that because we don't think Luther was somehow infallible like the Pope. Of course, when the Pope is infallible seems to change with like the seasons.
Without arguing the point, Protestants can handle that because we don't think Luther was somehow infallible like the Pope. Of course, when the Pope is infallible seems to change with like the seasons.
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at January 19, 2015 02:25 PM (nRvEn)
444
It's not a perfect comparison but it's close.
Say you make $100K a year. You have $100K of debt and in 2014 you spent $102,500.
That's basically where the USA is right now.
GDP is $18T
Debt is $18T
Deficit is 2.5% of GDP
Say you make $100K a year. You have $100K of debt and in 2014 you spent $102,500.
That's basically where the USA is right now.
GDP is $18T
Debt is $18T
Deficit is 2.5% of GDP
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:26 PM (0LHZx)
445
The country has had debt since 1776. Every country has debt. Debt is not a bad thing necessarily.
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Debt that you have no way to pay back is usually bad.
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Debt that you have no way to pay back is usually bad.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:26 PM (gmeXX)
446
If debt is not a bad thing, then why are the PIIGS in Europe, particularly Greece, in such dire straits?
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to the EU (Germany).
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to the EU (Germany).
Posted by: Boots at January 19, 2015 02:27 PM (l9mF2)
447
The country has had debt since 1776. Every country has debt. Debt is not a bad thing necessarily.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:23 PM (0LHZx)
Except when I was President.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:23 PM (0LHZx)
Except when I was President.
Posted by: Andrew Jackson at January 19, 2015 02:27 PM (nL0sw)
448
GDP is $18T
Debt is $18T
Deficit is 2.5% of GDP
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I submit our total debt is much greater than $18 trillion. You can exclude unfunded obligations, but I choose not to.
Debt is $18T
Deficit is 2.5% of GDP
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I submit our total debt is much greater than $18 trillion. You can exclude unfunded obligations, but I choose not to.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:27 PM (gmeXX)
449
I played a little thought experiment with this notion that American Sniper is somehow a celebration of a killer.
I found one of the quotes, and substituted the name "Robert Gould Shaw" for Chris Kyle. I substituted the American Civil War for Iraq, and of course, the movie title "Glory" for American Sniper.
You can play with other quotes, such as the nonsense about Iraq having nothing to do with Al Queda vs. Civil War having nothing to do with the KKK.
I'm not arguing an equivalence. Far from it, but I am suggesting you could not write the kinds of criticisms they are making about American Sniper that you could about ANY OTHER AMERICAN CONFLICT.
Heck, go ahead and do the same with Audie Murphy, or Sgt. York, or John Paul Jones, or so on and so forth.
I found one of the quotes, and substituted the name "Robert Gould Shaw" for Chris Kyle. I substituted the American Civil War for Iraq, and of course, the movie title "Glory" for American Sniper.
You can play with other quotes, such as the nonsense about Iraq having nothing to do with Al Queda vs. Civil War having nothing to do with the KKK.
I'm not arguing an equivalence. Far from it, but I am suggesting you could not write the kinds of criticisms they are making about American Sniper that you could about ANY OTHER AMERICAN CONFLICT.
Heck, go ahead and do the same with Audie Murphy, or Sgt. York, or John Paul Jones, or so on and so forth.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 02:28 PM (Dj0WE)
450
So, on the trustworthiness of the federal deficit (and all other numbers), consider that the DoD is only about 15% of Fedzilla.
But DoD's numbers are in ridiculous disarray. They'd never be cleared as clean by any private sector accounting auditor.
It's not too hard to extrapolate that there are similar problems with the books all through the rest of the federal apparatus.
Until the books are actually kept honestly and competently, it's impossible even to know with any certainty how much money is being spent.
And of course having the fiscal ledger be a total rats' nest means that stolen funds are far less likely to be detected. As is egregious waste. Not that these things ever happen in government. Heavens no.
http://tinyurl.com/omd7jb4
But DoD's numbers are in ridiculous disarray. They'd never be cleared as clean by any private sector accounting auditor.
It's not too hard to extrapolate that there are similar problems with the books all through the rest of the federal apparatus.
Until the books are actually kept honestly and competently, it's impossible even to know with any certainty how much money is being spent.
And of course having the fiscal ledger be a total rats' nest means that stolen funds are far less likely to be detected. As is egregious waste. Not that these things ever happen in government. Heavens no.
http://tinyurl.com/omd7jb4
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (noWW6)
451
449 -
And no, I can't post my little experiment here, because this is the AoSHQ and as everyone knows cutting and pasting is a 20th century technology this blog hasn't yet mastered.
And no, I can't post my little experiment here, because this is the AoSHQ and as everyone knows cutting and pasting is a 20th century technology this blog hasn't yet mastered.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (Dj0WE)
452
"437
A Feast! Let's eat.
Gotta find the Drano first -- under a clogged sink or in the kitchen pantry? Decisions, decisions!
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat at January 19, 2015 02:22 PM (zxQ4h)"
Get out the lutefisk. Soak it in water to wash out the Drano. Pour the Drano saturated water down your stuck drain.
A Feast! Let's eat.
Gotta find the Drano first -- under a clogged sink or in the kitchen pantry? Decisions, decisions!
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat at January 19, 2015 02:22 PM (zxQ4h)"
Get out the lutefisk. Soak it in water to wash out the Drano. Pour the Drano saturated water down your stuck drain.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (KDbAT)
453
The country has had debt since 1776.
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Just goes to show you that politicians are always the same, they like to spend other people's money.
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Just goes to show you that politicians are always the same, they like to spend other people's money.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (gmeXX)
454
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to the EU (Germany).
Ruh roh.
Ruh roh.
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (CMqaG)
455
This thread will get pretty stale come about 6:30 or so.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (dFi94)
456
Just goes to show you that politicians are always the same, they like to spend other people's money.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (gmeXX)
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Or go to war and stuff. That's where the bulk of the debt has come from over the years...wars.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (gmeXX)
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Or go to war and stuff. That's where the bulk of the debt has come from over the years...wars.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (0LHZx)
457
Just to clarify the Eastern Orthodox rules on married priests, a man can get married BEFORE he is ordained, but not after. A man whois ordainedto the priesthood (or diaconate)while single must remain unmarried unless he leaves the clergy.
Orthodox bishops are always drawn from the unmarried (monastic) clergy. At some points in history therehave beenmarried bishops, but not currently.
Just to clarify the Eastern Orthodox rules on married priests, a man can get married BEFORE he is ordained, but not after. A man whois ordainedto the priesthood (or diaconate)while single must remain unmarried unless he leaves the clergy.
Orthodox bishops are always drawn from the unmarried (monastic) clergy. At some points in history therehave beenmarried bishops, but not currently.
Posted by: Bigsmith at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (uADOj)
458
Elected officials should not be allowed to leave office with an increase in their net worth greater than the rate of inflation, or, if you prefer, the increase in the NYSE.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (xNkaN)
459
Beware of Greek Bearer Bonds.
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (Zu0pf)
460
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:21 PM
I think I understand what you're saying Moo^2. But if debt rises every year and there's no trend line showing an increase in net income and/or a net decrease in expenditures, or both, its only a matter of time before the inevitable happens.
It seems to me at least that its a simple arithmetic solution.
I think I understand what you're saying Moo^2. But if debt rises every year and there's no trend line showing an increase in net income and/or a net decrease in expenditures, or both, its only a matter of time before the inevitable happens.
It seems to me at least that its a simple arithmetic solution.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (60Vyp)
461
"I submit our total debt is much greater than $18 trillion. You can exclude unfunded obligations, but I choose not to."
Kevin Williamson points out that if you include modestly estimated unfunded liabilities, the amount of debt which Uncle Sam has rung up not only exceeds the total pool of private capital in the USA, it exceeds the total pool of private capital on the planet.
Kevin Williamson points out that if you include modestly estimated unfunded liabilities, the amount of debt which Uncle Sam has rung up not only exceeds the total pool of private capital in the USA, it exceeds the total pool of private capital on the planet.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 02:31 PM (noWW6)
462
Or go to war and stuff. That's where the bulk of the debt has come from over the years...wars.
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War debt is usually paid off. The majority of the existing debt is not war debt.
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War debt is usually paid off. The majority of the existing debt is not war debt.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:31 PM (gmeXX)
463
It's counter intuitive, but it's the way accounting works. I'm not making gestures or claims, I'm telling you how it works.
No, it's not.
The debt increases if the principle is not paid down, but it does not simply increase "just because."
If debt were never retireable, it would be accounted for differently (also- we wouldn't have an economy based on it).
The national debt keeps growing because we keep adding to it and because of interest. If we merely stopped adding to the debt, it would still increase (because that's how interest works). If we stopped adding to the debt AND starting making actual moves to reduce the principle, the debt would go down.
Funny. Governmental debt works the same way that business or personal debt does. Huh. Whoda thunk?
No, it's not.
The debt increases if the principle is not paid down, but it does not simply increase "just because."
If debt were never retireable, it would be accounted for differently (also- we wouldn't have an economy based on it).
The national debt keeps growing because we keep adding to it and because of interest. If we merely stopped adding to the debt, it would still increase (because that's how interest works). If we stopped adding to the debt AND starting making actual moves to reduce the principle, the debt would go down.
Funny. Governmental debt works the same way that business or personal debt does. Huh. Whoda thunk?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:31 PM (kff5f)
464
Cutting and pasting is the Devil's work.
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2015 02:32 PM (CMqaG)
465
Of course, when the Pope is infallible seems to change with like the seasons.
Oh contraire. A little research is all that is required. Maybe every 50 to 100 years the Pope will deliver a paper which will get the official stamp of approval.
Doesn't happen that often. Like 'Just Wars'. I can name only one. And I'm not telling you which one.
Oh contraire. A little research is all that is required. Maybe every 50 to 100 years the Pope will deliver a paper which will get the official stamp of approval.
Doesn't happen that often. Like 'Just Wars'. I can name only one. And I'm not telling you which one.
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat at January 19, 2015 02:32 PM (zxQ4h)
466
446 If debt is not a bad thing, then why are the PIIGS in Europe, particularly Greece, in such dire straits?
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to the EU (Germany).
Posted by: Boots at January 19, 2015 02:27 PM (l9mF2)
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Debt as % of GDP:
Greece: 175%
USA: 80%ish
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to the EU (Germany).
Posted by: Boots at January 19, 2015 02:27 PM (l9mF2)
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Debt as % of GDP:
Greece: 175%
USA: 80%ish
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)
467
This thread will get pretty stale come about 6:30 or so.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (dFi94)
grammie , are the cheese heads looking to lynch the poor guy that flubbed the onside?
Posted by: grammie winger at January 19, 2015 02:29 PM (dFi94)
grammie , are the cheese heads looking to lynch the poor guy that flubbed the onside?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:32 PM (R8hU8)
468
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to the EU (Germany).
Ruh roh.
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And history just repeats itself ...
Ruh roh.
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And history just repeats itself ...
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:33 PM (gmeXX)
469
I demand that the rule against sock-puppetting of regular commenters be enforced in my case! I demand protection from the lazy Ewok who runs this hate-filled moron blog in order to maintain my intellectual reputation! Reich-wing haters must be stopped from interfering with my online activism in support of progressive thought and in defense of our historic first multiracial President, Barack Obama, the bronzed god-king of us all.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 19, 2015 02:33 PM (tv8Jb)
470
grammie , are the cheese heads looking to lynch the poor guy that flubbed the onside?
I'd love to tell you all about it but my head is stuck in this oven.....
I'd love to tell you all about it but my head is stuck in this oven.....
Posted by: grammie winger at January 19, 2015 02:34 PM (dFi94)
471
Or go to war and stuff. That's where the bulk of the debt has come from over the years...wars.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (0LHZx)
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You're really starting to show your real colors now.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (0LHZx)
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You're really starting to show your real colors now.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:34 PM (qbgxo)
472
And Greece's debt structure is much different. The US debt is owned by Americans for the most part. About 70% is owned by Americans, 30% by foreigners.
For Greece it's something more like 80% if owned by foreigners.
Comparing apples to horses.
For Greece it's something more like 80% if owned by foreigners.
Comparing apples to horses.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:34 PM (0LHZx)
473
asshole is a little early today I see. no work I guess
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:34 PM (Zmw74)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 19, 2015 02:35 PM (dFi94)
475
Funny. Governmental debt works the same way that business or personal debt does. Huh. Whoda thunk?
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Except that a business or person cannot enslave or jail a debtor.
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Except that a business or person cannot enslave or jail a debtor.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:35 PM (gmeXX)
476
You're right the debt increases. Even if we had a surplus, the debt would still increase. It's counter intuitive, but it's the way accounting works. I'm not making gestures or claims, I'm telling you how it works.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:21 PM (0LHZx)
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As an accountant in my past life, I'd like to understand more about this "how it works" bullshit.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:21 PM (0LHZx)
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As an accountant in my past life, I'd like to understand more about this "how it works" bullshit.
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 02:35 PM (6um35)
477
asshole is a little early today I see. no work I guess
Probably the same reason there was no Hector this morning.
Probably the same reason there was no Hector this morning.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:35 PM (kff5f)
478
473 Or go to war and stuff. That's where the bulk of the debt has come from over the years...wars.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (0LHZx)
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You're really starting to show your real colors now.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:34 PM (qbgxo)
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My real colors.....providing facts.
Wars are expensive. Countries borrow money to fund them. This has been happening for thousands of years. Nothing newsworthy. And the US is no different.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM (0LHZx)
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You're really starting to show your real colors now.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:34 PM (qbgxo)
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My real colors.....providing facts.
Wars are expensive. Countries borrow money to fund them. This has been happening for thousands of years. Nothing newsworthy. And the US is no different.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:36 PM (0LHZx)
479
Except that a business or person cannot enslave or jail a debtor.
Well, there's that. But the *debt* works the same either way. The relationship between debtor and debtee is very different, of course.
Well, there's that. But the *debt* works the same either way. The relationship between debtor and debtee is very different, of course.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:36 PM (kff5f)
480
yeah all the debt is from "Wars" because the Entitlement programs don't count somehow?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:37 PM (Zmw74)
481
Oh, free play day again at the "institution."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 19, 2015 02:37 PM (LA7Cm)
482
That echo in here is really annoying.
Posted by: Boots at January 19, 2015 02:37 PM (l9mF2)
483
My real colors.....providing facts.
Wars are expensive. Countries borrow money to fund them. This has been happening for thousands of years. Nothing newsworthy. And the US is no different.
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Except that the US has a very good track record of paying off its war debt - since 1787. Our existing debt is not war debt.
Wars are expensive. Countries borrow money to fund them. This has been happening for thousands of years. Nothing newsworthy. And the US is no different.
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Except that the US has a very good track record of paying off its war debt - since 1787. Our existing debt is not war debt.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:38 PM (gmeXX)
484
Should you root for a sports team based on the political leanings of the city they come from? some earlier suggested that.
I would contend that leaves a very narrow range of choices.
Even Green Bay vote 56% for BHusseinO.
Is there any city with a NFL team that voted for Mittster?
I would contend that leaves a very narrow range of choices.
Even Green Bay vote 56% for BHusseinO.
Is there any city with a NFL team that voted for Mittster?
Posted by: Far Post at January 19, 2015 02:38 PM (6srcI)
485
Actually, to this Protestant who is
happy as one and who's highly likely to remain one, the rules for infallible doctrines seem pretty clear:
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/papal-infallibility
happy as one and who's highly likely to remain one, the rules for infallible doctrines seem pretty clear:
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/papal-infallibility
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 19, 2015 02:38 PM (DXzRD)
486
The Entitlement programs make up 66% of spending and Defense only18% but all the debt is from defense? Yeah right
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:38 PM (Zmw74)
487
481 yeah all the debt is from "Wars" because the Entitlement programs don't count somehow?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:37 PM (Zmw74)
__________
Did I say that? I said over the course of the US's history, the majority of debt incurred has been to fight wars.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:37 PM (Zmw74)
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Did I say that? I said over the course of the US's history, the majority of debt incurred has been to fight wars.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:39 PM (0LHZx)
488
443 -
Nope, wrong. The circumstances when the Pope is "infallible" are specific and limited. Which is to say, almost everything that comes out of his mouth is not considered to be "infallible," and indeed, those pronouncements he does make about what is and is not true faith, are RESTRICTED precisely because the body of the Church (and the Holy Spirit) does not allow a mere human to make such pronouncements on his own.
Nope, wrong. The circumstances when the Pope is "infallible" are specific and limited. Which is to say, almost everything that comes out of his mouth is not considered to be "infallible," and indeed, those pronouncements he does make about what is and is not true faith, are RESTRICTED precisely because the body of the Church (and the Holy Spirit) does not allow a mere human to make such pronouncements on his own.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 02:39 PM (Dj0WE)
489
That's where the bulk of the debt has come from over the years...wars.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM
Might throw the booty poo flag on that one. Porkulus 1 and 2 did not contain nearly as much 'war' funding as they did BS graft and slush funding.
And if someone wanted to get my vote, after the SOTU address, the response would have some statement like:
Do you remember how many jobs were going to be created and how many infrastructure projects were going to be accomplished when we spent the largest advance you the taxpayer ever gave us? Do you remember how much your health insurance was going to decrease and how you would get a tax break for Obamacare? Where is that money now; where are those jobs? Where is your tax break?
I would implore you to not give another penny to the treasury until congress accounts for every last penny.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:30 PM
Might throw the booty poo flag on that one. Porkulus 1 and 2 did not contain nearly as much 'war' funding as they did BS graft and slush funding.
And if someone wanted to get my vote, after the SOTU address, the response would have some statement like:
Do you remember how many jobs were going to be created and how many infrastructure projects were going to be accomplished when we spent the largest advance you the taxpayer ever gave us? Do you remember how much your health insurance was going to decrease and how you would get a tax break for Obamacare? Where is that money now; where are those jobs? Where is your tax break?
I would implore you to not give another penny to the treasury until congress accounts for every last penny.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:39 PM (60Vyp)
490
Except that the US has a very good track record of paying off its war debt - since 1787. Our existing debt is not war debt.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:38 PM (gmeXX)
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The great majority of our debt comes from Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, etc. You know, things bovine boy heartily appoves of.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:38 PM (gmeXX)
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The great majority of our debt comes from Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, etc. You know, things bovine boy heartily appoves of.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (qbgxo)
491
Guys, it's Moo Moo.
He's at best disingenuous.
Rember, Bill Clinton was a good President because Moo Moo's portfolio went up in value.
He's at best disingenuous.
Rember, Bill Clinton was a good President because Moo Moo's portfolio went up in value.
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (Zu0pf)
492
7 Yeah, they say now for people earning over $500k. By the time they get done, it'll be for people earning between $50k and $200k .
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 12:28 PM (nL0sw)
Fixed
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 12:28 PM (nL0sw)
Fixed
Posted by: cajun caret at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (nL0sw)
494
Papal infallibility is mostly misunderstood. A pope can be as infallible as any other person. Just not on Church dogma.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:41 PM (gmeXX)
495
"446
If debt is not a bad thing, then why are the PIIGS in Europe, particularly Greece, in such dire straits?
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as
leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to
the EU (Germany).
Posted by: Boots at January 19, 2015 02:27 PM (l9mF2)"
The Greeks are also making noise about the Elgin Marbles. My personal opinion is that if the Greeks do repudiate their debts, the British Government could bail out their banks by the banks slapping a mechanic's lien on the marbles and paying the banks enough to keep them financially healthy in exchange for clear title. Then tell the Greeks to ESAD.
If debt is not a bad thing, then why are the PIIGS in Europe, particularly Greece, in such dire straits?
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as
leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to
the EU (Germany).
Posted by: Boots at January 19, 2015 02:27 PM (l9mF2)"
The Greeks are also making noise about the Elgin Marbles. My personal opinion is that if the Greeks do repudiate their debts, the British Government could bail out their banks by the banks slapping a mechanic's lien on the marbles and paying the banks enough to keep them financially healthy in exchange for clear title. Then tell the Greeks to ESAD.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 02:42 PM (KDbAT)
496
Papal infallibility is mostly misunderstood. A pope can be as infallible as any other person. Just not on Church dogma.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:41 PM (gmeXX)
then he should stick to Church Dogma
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:41 PM (gmeXX)
then he should stick to Church Dogma
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:42 PM (Zmw74)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:42 PM (R8hU8)
498
So what happens if at each sentence of the SoTU speech that mentions a tax hike, or increase of spending, the Republicans jump up, and clap and whistle wildly.
I mean, just rowdy as hell, exuberant cheering from the Repubs, which outperforms the cheering from the circus Seals on the left.
And when interviewed, simply reply with "Hell yeahs, that much stupid in one speech deserves recognition".
I mean, just rowdy as hell, exuberant cheering from the Repubs, which outperforms the cheering from the circus Seals on the left.
And when interviewed, simply reply with "Hell yeahs, that much stupid in one speech deserves recognition".
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 19, 2015 02:43 PM (NZ+zd)
499
Did I say that? I said over the course of the US's history, the majority of debt incurred has been to fight wars.
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Incorrect. But nice try.
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Incorrect. But nice try.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:43 PM (gmeXX)
500
Posted by: cajun caret at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (UZQM
You're probably dead on balls accurate with that assessment.
You're probably dead on balls accurate with that assessment.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:43 PM (nL0sw)
501
The great majority of our debt comes from Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, etc. You know, things bovine boy heartily appoves of.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (qbgxo)
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Do you not understand what the word history means? I said over the course of the country's history, if you add up all debt incurred, the vast majority of it was due to finance wars.
In 1945 the debt was 120% of GDP.
I guess it was all that welfare, huh?
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (qbgxo)
_____________
Do you not understand what the word history means? I said over the course of the country's history, if you add up all debt incurred, the vast majority of it was due to finance wars.
In 1945 the debt was 120% of GDP.
I guess it was all that welfare, huh?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:43 PM (0LHZx)
502
According to Drudge the Greeks are about to elect a socialist as leader, and he plans on refusing to pay Greece's considerable debt to the EU (Germany).
Posted by: Boots
Repo a couple of islands.
Posted by: Boots
Repo a couple of islands.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 02:43 PM (d20MQ)
503
Do you not understand what the word history means? I said over the course of the country's history, if you add up all debt incurred, the vast majority of it was due to finance wars.
In 1945 the debt was 120% of GDP.
I guess it was all that welfare, huh?
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That is simply not true at all.
In 1945 the debt was 120% of GDP.
I guess it was all that welfare, huh?
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That is simply not true at all.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (gmeXX)
504
then he should stick to Church Dogma
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:42 PM (Zmw74)
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Yup. He's just adding to the world's misery and chaos when he makes his political pronouncements.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:42 PM (Zmw74)
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Yup. He's just adding to the world's misery and chaos when he makes his political pronouncements.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (qbgxo)
505
Rember, Bill Clinton was a good President because Moo Moo's portfolio went up in value.
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (Zu0pf)
________
Everyone's did. And he signed 2 tax cut bills too. Fucking commie!!
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 02:40 PM (Zu0pf)
________
Everyone's did. And he signed 2 tax cut bills too. Fucking commie!!
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (NZ+zd)
507
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 19, 2015 02:42 PM (R8hU
Even more apropos, I'm pretty sure the heel is a multi-step drill bit.
Even more apropos, I'm pretty sure the heel is a multi-step drill bit.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (nL0sw)
508
then he should stick to Church Dogma
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:42 PM (Zmw74)
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So he's not allowed to speak? Look, I'm as critical of this current Pope as anybody, but I'd rather we let him run his mouth as much as possible. The more he says, on his own, independent of Church dogma, the less he shows himself to be worthy of his office.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:42 PM (Zmw74)
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So he's not allowed to speak? Look, I'm as critical of this current Pope as anybody, but I'd rather we let him run his mouth as much as possible. The more he says, on his own, independent of Church dogma, the less he shows himself to be worthy of his office.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (Dj0WE)
509
Here's a beautiful Orthodox chant for Theophany
and with an English translation underneath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8IAJtFpJSA
and with an English translation underneath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8IAJtFpJSA
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (DXzRD)
510
I saw Bog se Javi open for Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes.
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat
Don't hear that name Southside Johnny real often. I'm playing a blues concert soon and one of the tunes is his version of The Fever, great blues song, the only thing I'll give Springstein any props for. He wrote it for Johnny and said he'd never record it.
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat
Don't hear that name Southside Johnny real often. I'm playing a blues concert soon and one of the tunes is his version of The Fever, great blues song, the only thing I'll give Springstein any props for. He wrote it for Johnny and said he'd never record it.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (1Y+hH)
511
EU should institute a Tarriff on body hair.
Posted by: Garrett at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (Zu0pf)
512
That is simply not true at all.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (gmeXX)
__________
You're right. I said 120%. It's actually 113%.
I guess it was all due to Medicare spending which didn't get enacted until 20 years later, huh?
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (gmeXX)
__________
You're right. I said 120%. It's actually 113%.
I guess it was all due to Medicare spending which didn't get enacted until 20 years later, huh?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (0LHZx)
513
Yup. He's just adding to the world's misery and chaos when he makes his political pronouncements.
yeah but I get some sweet mentions on social media. check out my twitter!
yeah but I get some sweet mentions on social media. check out my twitter!
Posted by: Pope Francis at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (Tj+s6)
514
Everyone's did. And he signed 2 tax cut bills too. Fucking commie!!
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I'd submit that had more to do with a GOP that was less spineless than the current GOP and willing to impeach him.
But believe what you want.
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I'd submit that had more to do with a GOP that was less spineless than the current GOP and willing to impeach him.
But believe what you want.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (gmeXX)
515
So he's not allowed to speak? Look, I'm as critical of this current Pope as anybody, but I'd rather we let him run his mouth as much as possible. The more he says, on his own, independent of Church dogma, the less he shows himself to be worthy of his office.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (Dj0WE)
I never said he should not be allowed to speak. I am not a liberal after all. But if I want to know about Baseball I am not going to ask Bill Belichick.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 02:45 PM (Dj0WE)
I never said he should not be allowed to speak. I am not a liberal after all. But if I want to know about Baseball I am not going to ask Bill Belichick.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (Zmw74)
516
NEOWISE isn't the only near-earth object-spotting effort: lots of scopes around the world keep an eye out for low-flying rocks, and their efforts are recorded by the Minor Planet Centre on its Danger List. 93 newly-spotted objects made the list during 2014, a handful more than the previous year.
Posted by: Eric Idle at January 19, 2015 02:47 PM (e8kgV)
517
I'd submit that had more to do with a GOP that was less spineless than the current GOP and willing to impeach him.
But believe what you want.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (gmeXX)
_____________
He still signed the bills, didn't he?
I asked this before....lemme ax you again...if Obama is responsible for everything happening today, how is it Clinton was not responsible for anything going in in the 90s?
But believe what you want.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (gmeXX)
_____________
He still signed the bills, didn't he?
I asked this before....lemme ax you again...if Obama is responsible for everything happening today, how is it Clinton was not responsible for anything going in in the 90s?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (0LHZx)
518
Eastwood kicks ass - 90.2 million. Suck it Hollywood. They will choose their ideology over reality and what the American public actually will pay money to see and they scratch their pointy chins and wonder why.
Posted by: Cheri at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (ZFPMM)
519
I guess it was all due to Medicare spending which didn't get enacted until 20 years later, huh?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (0LHZx)
I'm guessing the New Deal was a figment of everyone's imaginations.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (0LHZx)
I'm guessing the New Deal was a figment of everyone's imaginations.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (nL0sw)
520
You're right. I said 120%. It's actually 113%.
I guess it was all due to Medicare spending which didn't get enacted until 20 years later, huh?
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If you add up the dollar amount of all debt incurred since the founding, the majority is not related to wars. I'm sorry if you have trouble understanding that.
I guess it was all due to Medicare spending which didn't get enacted until 20 years later, huh?
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If you add up the dollar amount of all debt incurred since the founding, the majority is not related to wars. I'm sorry if you have trouble understanding that.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (gmeXX)
521
NEOWISE isn't the only near-earth object-spotting effort: lots of scopes around the world keep an eye out for low-flying rocks, and their efforts are recorded by the Minor Planet Centre on its Danger List. 93 newly-spotted objects made the list during 2014, a handful more than the previous year.
Posted by: Eric Idle at January 19, 2015 02:47 PM (e8kgV)
------------------------------------------------
So there's still hope?
Posted by: Eric Idle at January 19, 2015 02:47 PM (e8kgV)
------------------------------------------------
So there's still hope?
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:49 PM (qbgxo)
522
Moo^2... I'd be willing to bet that if we compare what we've spent prosecuting wars to date against what we've spent to maintaining Social Security and welfare programs since the 50's it wouldn't be close.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 02:49 PM (60Vyp)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 02:50 PM (ABcz/)
524
I am the whipping boy of every liberal and pseudo conservative until the shit hits the fan then everybody loves me?
Posted by: Defense at January 19, 2015 02:50 PM (Zmw74)
525
He still signed the bills, didn't he?
I asked this before....lemme ax you again...if Obama is responsible for everything happening today, how is it Clinton was not responsible for anything going in in the 90s?
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Well I don't blame Obama for everything today. I think my comment implied the GOP was at fault too.
I asked this before....lemme ax you again...if Obama is responsible for everything happening today, how is it Clinton was not responsible for anything going in in the 90s?
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Well I don't blame Obama for everything today. I think my comment implied the GOP was at fault too.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:50 PM (gmeXX)
526
If you add up the dollar amount of all debt incurred since the founding, the majority is not related to wars. I'm sorry if you have trouble understanding that.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (gmeXX)
___________
Math is math.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (gmeXX)
___________
Math is math.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:51 PM (0LHZx)
527
You can say whatever you want to make up about where the debt came from but the only way to reduce it is to cut federal domestic benefit spending and/or cut tax rates while broadening the tax base.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)
528
"Debt as % of GDP:
Greece: 175%
USA: 80%ish
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)"
So if the British government pays off the Greek debt held by British banks in return for clear title to the Elgin Marbles, that would reduce Greek debt to a far more sustainable 170% of GDP.
Greece: 175%
USA: 80%ish
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)"
So if the British government pays off the Greek debt held by British banks in return for clear title to the Elgin Marbles, that would reduce Greek debt to a far more sustainable 170% of GDP.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 19, 2015 02:52 PM (KDbAT)
529
Then why did the debt increase over 1 Trillion dollars last year?
...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:01 PM (qh617)
Very good article on the discrepancy on the 2014 debt/deficit numbers. Basically, paying back other funds used in 2013 to stay under the debt ceiling and the student loans that Obama had the government take over.
http://www.mygovcost.org/2014/10/28/the-hidden-deficit/
...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:01 PM (qh617)
Very good article on the discrepancy on the 2014 debt/deficit numbers. Basically, paying back other funds used in 2013 to stay under the debt ceiling and the student loans that Obama had the government take over.
http://www.mygovcost.org/2014/10/28/the-hidden-deficit/
Posted by: lymond at January 19, 2015 02:52 PM (DcPHq)
530
So
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 02:52 PM (Zmw74)
531
Math is math.
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Then why are you using percentages to GDP and other non-sensicle calculations. There is a finite dollar amount that has been borrowed to pay for the wars that the US has fought which include the Revolution which was inherited at the founding. That amount is less than all other debt incurred for other purposes.
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Then why are you using percentages to GDP and other non-sensicle calculations. There is a finite dollar amount that has been borrowed to pay for the wars that the US has fought which include the Revolution which was inherited at the founding. That amount is less than all other debt incurred for other purposes.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:52 PM (gmeXX)
532
519 I guess it was all due to Medicare spending which didn't get enacted until 20 years later, huh?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (0LHZx)
I'm guessing the New Deal was a figment of everyone's imaginations.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (nL0sw)
__________
Medicare was enacted in 1965, ie, 20 years after the end of WW2.
You were saying....
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:46 PM (0LHZx)
I'm guessing the New Deal was a figment of everyone's imaginations.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (nL0sw)
__________
Medicare was enacted in 1965, ie, 20 years after the end of WW2.
You were saying....
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:53 PM (0LHZx)
533
So, is anyone else sick and tired of the "It's Up to Us" campaign which seems to say *I* am responsible for domestic violence?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:53 PM (kff5f)
534
You can say whatever you want to make up about where the debt came from but the only way to reduce it is to cut federal domestic benefit spending and/or cut tax rates while broadening the tax base.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)
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I agree. EVERYONE needs to have skin in the game. EVERYONE needs to pay taxes. Then we might start seeing some changes in DC's spending addiction.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)
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I agree. EVERYONE needs to have skin in the game. EVERYONE needs to pay taxes. Then we might start seeing some changes in DC's spending addiction.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:54 PM (qbgxo)
535
531 Math is math.
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Then why are you using percentages to GDP and other non-sensicle calculations.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:52 PM (gmeXX)
______________
Are you saying percentages aren't math? OK, I'm intrigued. Continue...
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Then why are you using percentages to GDP and other non-sensicle calculations.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:52 PM (gmeXX)
______________
Are you saying percentages aren't math? OK, I'm intrigued. Continue...
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:54 PM (0LHZx)
536
President douchebag being a douchebag.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (FMbng)
537
The perfect beer to drink when you're too cowardly to impeach a socialist president bent on destroying your country.
Posted by: Bud Light Bottle at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (KBvAm)
538
So, is anyone else sick and tired of the "It's Up to Us" campaign which seems to say *I* am responsible for domestic violence?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:53 PM (kff5f)
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This campaign is actually making me want to hit those silly bitches on tv.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:53 PM (kff5f)
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This campaign is actually making me want to hit those silly bitches on tv.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (qbgxo)
539
534 You can say whatever you want to make up about where the debt came from but the only way to reduce it is to cut federal domestic benefit spending and/or cut tax rates while broadening the tax base.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)
________
It's the best way, but not the only way.
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax cuts.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)
________
It's the best way, but not the only way.
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax cuts.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
540
Medicare was enacted in 1965, ie, 20 years after the end of WW2.
You were saying....
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:53 PM (0LHZx)
I was saying a vast amount of debt was accumulated in the years immediately prior to WWII. I did not say Medicare was instituted under the New Deal. You are obtusely using an argument that insinuates that there were no Treasury draining social programs prior to Medicare.
You were saying....
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:53 PM (0LHZx)
I was saying a vast amount of debt was accumulated in the years immediately prior to WWII. I did not say Medicare was instituted under the New Deal. You are obtusely using an argument that insinuates that there were no Treasury draining social programs prior to Medicare.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (nL0sw)
541
"if Obama is responsible for everything happening today"
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
The position that "Obama is responsible for everything" is a position which only a tiny scattered handful on the right adhere to. It's damn near unheard of from ace, the cobs and the Horde.
If we all thought that "Obama is responsible for everything," why then would we be vitriolically complaining constantly about Boehner, McConnell, and the rest of the Beltway GOP?
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
The position that "Obama is responsible for everything" is a position which only a tiny scattered handful on the right adhere to. It's damn near unheard of from ace, the cobs and the Horde.
If we all thought that "Obama is responsible for everything," why then would we be vitriolically complaining constantly about Boehner, McConnell, and the rest of the Beltway GOP?
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 02:57 PM (noWW6)
542
I'm saying 10 > 6 which is > 5.
I don't care about the fact that the ratio between 10:6 is greater than 6:5.
You are and continue to be wrong on the fact that the aggregate amount of US debt unrelated to war debt exceeds the aggregate of war debt.
I don't care about the fact that the ratio between 10:6 is greater than 6:5.
You are and continue to be wrong on the fact that the aggregate amount of US debt unrelated to war debt exceeds the aggregate of war debt.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:57 PM (gmeXX)
543
NFL players abuse women, so then a bunch of posers get on to tell us there is something wrong with us?
Next thing they will be telling us to stop doing coke and killing people in DUIs.
Next thing they will be telling us to stop doing coke and killing people in DUIs.
Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2015 02:57 PM (Rx8ML)
544
I was saying a vast amount of debt was accumulated in the years immediately prior to WWII. I did not say Medicare was instituted under the New Deal. You are obtusely using an argument that insinuates that there were no Treasury draining social programs prior to Medicare.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (nL0sw)
____________
Debt to GDP was 40% in 1940. It was 113% in 1945.
Hmmm...now what happened between 1941 and 1945 that could have spiked that debt?
Must have been New Deal spending. You got me.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (nL0sw)
____________
Debt to GDP was 40% in 1940. It was 113% in 1945.
Hmmm...now what happened between 1941 and 1945 that could have spiked that debt?
Must have been New Deal spending. You got me.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (0LHZx)
545
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 02:54 PM (qbgxo)
The federal withholding tax was an evil thing to do to America. People don't even feel like they pay taxes.
Why, they even get refunds and Earned Income Tax Credits. Sweet!
Talk about LIV.
The federal withholding tax was an evil thing to do to America. People don't even feel like they pay taxes.
Why, they even get refunds and Earned Income Tax Credits. Sweet!
Talk about LIV.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (1Y+hH)
546
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax cuts.
Negative.
It might in a sane world, but we don't live in one of those.
See also: Doctrine, Delegation and Budgeting, Baseline
Negative.
It might in a sane world, but we don't live in one of those.
See also: Doctrine, Delegation and Budgeting, Baseline
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (kff5f)
547
You know what else features DRM (Digital Rights Management) these days? Kitty litter. Welcome to the future, people. Now, even your cat's crap comes with a steaming side of corporate crap.
Last week, cat-lover and programmer Jorge Lopez detailed his experience with the CatGenie -- an automatic, self-cleaning cat litter box. As Lopez describes it, the CatGenie is "the Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes" -- all he has to do is replace the CatGenie SaniSolution SmartCartridge on cue, and the CatGenie disposes of foul-smelling cat turds on its own.
Lopez was enjoying the hands-off, CatGenie high life -- that is, until he ran out of SaniSolution. In a pinch, he decided to refill the cartridge with water until his new order of CatGenie-branded cartridges arrived in the mail. He popped the refilled cartridge back into the litter box, fully expecting the cleaning mechanism to whirl back to life.
It didn't.
"... [The machine] knew this wasn't its SaniSolution. Somehow it knew," Lopez writes on Medium. "I wasn't able to even force it to run without the solution. I did some Googling, and I found that the 'Smart' in SmartCartridge is that it has an RFID chip inside of it to keep track of how much solution it has, and once it runs out, well, you can't refill it. I honestly did not believe this and tore one of the cartridges apart, and there it was, looking back at me, a tiny chip holding up its little metal finger."
Last week, cat-lover and programmer Jorge Lopez detailed his experience with the CatGenie -- an automatic, self-cleaning cat litter box. As Lopez describes it, the CatGenie is "the Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes" -- all he has to do is replace the CatGenie SaniSolution SmartCartridge on cue, and the CatGenie disposes of foul-smelling cat turds on its own.
Lopez was enjoying the hands-off, CatGenie high life -- that is, until he ran out of SaniSolution. In a pinch, he decided to refill the cartridge with water until his new order of CatGenie-branded cartridges arrived in the mail. He popped the refilled cartridge back into the litter box, fully expecting the cleaning mechanism to whirl back to life.
It didn't.
"... [The machine] knew this wasn't its SaniSolution. Somehow it knew," Lopez writes on Medium. "I wasn't able to even force it to run without the solution. I did some Googling, and I found that the 'Smart' in SmartCartridge is that it has an RFID chip inside of it to keep track of how much solution it has, and once it runs out, well, you can't refill it. I honestly did not believe this and tore one of the cartridges apart, and there it was, looking back at me, a tiny chip holding up its little metal finger."
Posted by: Courageous Cat at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (e8kgV)
548
OK horde. Cleaning up and went through my mom's little safe. She was a hoarder.
Found my dad's birth certificate, 1914, her's also, college diplomas, all her children's b certificates, my original SS card and my sisters.
Lot's of silver coins. My dad military ID from WWII. Pictures, not that many, but my sisters sure looked like dorks.
Fun.
Found my dad's birth certificate, 1914, her's also, college diplomas, all her children's b certificates, my original SS card and my sisters.
Lot's of silver coins. My dad military ID from WWII. Pictures, not that many, but my sisters sure looked like dorks.
Fun.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (0FSuD)
549
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax cuts.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
And there's the problem. If GDP grows, Washington will not be able to restrain itself from increasing spending. And you know it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
And there's the problem. If GDP grows, Washington will not be able to restrain itself from increasing spending. And you know it.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:59 PM (nL0sw)
550
You can say whatever you want to make up about where the debt came from but the only way to reduce it is to cut federal domestic benefit spending and/or cut tax rates while broadening the tax base.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)
________
It's the best way, but not the only way.
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax c
-----
OMG. You are dense. Just because the ratio of debt to GDP goes down does not mean that debt has gone down. I know you know this.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)
________
It's the best way, but not the only way.
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax c
-----
OMG. You are dense. Just because the ratio of debt to GDP goes down does not mean that debt has gone down. I know you know this.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:59 PM (gmeXX)
551
USA: 80%ish
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)"
2014 GDP.... US... 17.042 Trillion Dollars...
Uh.... and the Debt would be??? Jan 1 2015???
18 Trillion Dollars.
last I checked... 18 is bigger than 17... it is NOT 80%
But I know math is hard...
USA: 80%ish
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)"
2014 GDP.... US... 17.042 Trillion Dollars...
Uh.... and the Debt would be??? Jan 1 2015???
18 Trillion Dollars.
last I checked... 18 is bigger than 17... it is NOT 80%
But I know math is hard...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 02:59 PM (qh617)
552
Must have been New Deal spending. You got me.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (0LHZx)
So you're arguing that all the New Deal spending was suspended between 1941 and 1945, that every dime spent was on the war effort?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (0LHZx)
So you're arguing that all the New Deal spending was suspended between 1941 and 1945, that every dime spent was on the war effort?
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 03:00 PM (nL0sw)
553
546 If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax cuts.
Negative.
It might in a sane world, but we don't live in one of those.
See also: Doctrine, Delegation and Budgeting, Baseline
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (kff5f)
_________
But that's basically what has happened over the past 4 years. Spending has remained constant more or less, taxes have remained constant more or less and yet the debt has gone from $1T+ to under $0.5T.
What is impossible, has been happening.
Negative.
It might in a sane world, but we don't live in one of those.
See also: Doctrine, Delegation and Budgeting, Baseline
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 02:58 PM (kff5f)
_________
But that's basically what has happened over the past 4 years. Spending has remained constant more or less, taxes have remained constant more or less and yet the debt has gone from $1T+ to under $0.5T.
What is impossible, has been happening.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 03:00 PM (0LHZx)
554
It's really not a slow news day. The TV is telling me all kinds of shit.
For instance, CNN is about to tell me about Gov Jindal's "controversial" comments about the no-go zones in Europe.
It's really not a slow news day. The TV is telling me all kinds of shit.
For instance, CNN is about to tell me about Gov Jindal's "controversial" comments about the no-go zones in Europe.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (suql3)
555
Debt to GDP was 40% in 1940. It was 113% in 1945.
Hmmm...now what happened between 1941 and 1945 that could have spiked that debt?
Must have been New Deal spending. You got me.
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No one is arguing percentages but you. That is because after WWII, the war debt was actually paid down. Not artificially paid down.
Hmmm...now what happened between 1941 and 1945 that could have spiked that debt?
Must have been New Deal spending. You got me.
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No one is arguing percentages but you. That is because after WWII, the war debt was actually paid down. Not artificially paid down.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (gmeXX)
556
Wait a minute, was that a rhetorical question earlier, regarding what the Pope would say today that would get everyone worked up?
Or has everyone but me seen the "Catholics don't have to breed like rabbits" quote?
Or has everyone but me seen the "Catholics don't have to breed like rabbits" quote?
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (Dj0WE)
557
So you're arguing that all the New Deal spending was suspended between 1941 and 1945, that every dime spent was on the war effort?
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 03:00 PM (nL0sw)
_____________
You can't be this dense.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 03:00 PM (nL0sw)
_____________
You can't be this dense.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (0LHZx)
558
He's just adding to the world's misery and chaos when he makes his political pronouncements.
Some people have Encyclopedic memories. Not me. I have a Dictionarypedic memory about most major religions. It's pretty simple rule in Catholicism; unless there are years of rumors, followed by about 18 months of pronouncements of impending 'infallible' Papal papers -- then the Pope is just giving his opinion. We don't have to like what he says, but he's allowed to have an opinion.
The former Pope recited some past writings on islum and got a buncha people killed when muslins proved how peaceful they were. If you're looking to Rome to provide the answer to islamic terror, you're wasting your time.
Some people have Encyclopedic memories. Not me. I have a Dictionarypedic memory about most major religions. It's pretty simple rule in Catholicism; unless there are years of rumors, followed by about 18 months of pronouncements of impending 'infallible' Papal papers -- then the Pope is just giving his opinion. We don't have to like what he says, but he's allowed to have an opinion.
The former Pope recited some past writings on islum and got a buncha people killed when muslins proved how peaceful they were. If you're looking to Rome to provide the answer to islamic terror, you're wasting your time.
Posted by: Schrodinger's cat at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (zxQ4h)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (XzRw1)
560
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax cuts.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
I was talking about reducing the debt, not the annual deficit.
5% growth requires capitalism, which has been polluted with socialism for quite a few years now.
And you can't grow at 5% all the time even under capitalism. You will have recessions and depressions.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
I was talking about reducing the debt, not the annual deficit.
5% growth requires capitalism, which has been polluted with socialism for quite a few years now.
And you can't grow at 5% all the time even under capitalism. You will have recessions and depressions.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (1Y+hH)
561
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax cuts.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56
Doesn't that assume that spending levels remain where they are now (no adjustment for inflation), that the rate of interetst remains stagnant and that net tax receipts remain positive? Those don't seem like a very realistic assumptions.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56
Doesn't that assume that spending levels remain where they are now (no adjustment for inflation), that the rate of interetst remains stagnant and that net tax receipts remain positive? Those don't seem like a very realistic assumptions.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 19, 2015 03:02 PM (60Vyp)
562
>>I asked this before....lemme ax you again...if Obama is responsible for
everything happening today, how is it Clinton was not responsible for
anything going in in the 90s?
A lot of it has to do with how Obama is implementing his agenda: he's going around Congress by either EOs, setting policy through his agencies (e.g. EPA), and then the biggie - his signature achievement, Obama, which continues to suck in all sorts of "unexpected" ways (despite Obama's attempts to "fix" it by illegally changing the law as he sees fit).
everything happening today, how is it Clinton was not responsible for
anything going in in the 90s?
A lot of it has to do with how Obama is implementing his agenda: he's going around Congress by either EOs, setting policy through his agencies (e.g. EPA), and then the biggie - his signature achievement, Obama, which continues to suck in all sorts of "unexpected" ways (despite Obama's attempts to "fix" it by illegally changing the law as he sees fit).
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2015 03:02 PM (ABcz/)
563
fooking here after Ace ask that it stop
Apparently there's enough old safes to keep some guys in business going around opening them up for current owners. They had a reality TV show for a while.
Apparently there's enough old safes to keep some guys in business going around opening them up for current owners. They had a reality TV show for a while.
Posted by: DaveA at January 19, 2015 03:02 PM (DL2i+)
564
No one is arguing percentages but you. That is because after WWII, the war debt was actually paid down. Not artificially paid down.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (gmeXX)
_____________
Not really. It's just that the % of debt/gdp went down drastically as the economy boomed. But the debt was never really paid off. It never is.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (gmeXX)
_____________
Not really. It's just that the % of debt/gdp went down drastically as the economy boomed. But the debt was never really paid off. It never is.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 03:02 PM (0LHZx)
565
Oh, and speaking of out of control Washington spending... $210 million for Max Scherzer?
Really?
Really??
Really?
Really??
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:02 PM (Dj0WE)
566
But that's basically what has happened over the past 4 years. Spending has remained constant more or less, taxes have remained constant more or less and yet the debt has gone from $1T+ to under $0.5T.
----
Well since we are confusing deficit with debt, I guess there is no point to continuing this conversation.
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Well since we are confusing deficit with debt, I guess there is no point to continuing this conversation.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:03 PM (gmeXX)
567
Va Gov McCauliffe takes a face plant after being thrown from a horse in Africa. I hope he's ok.
The horse? Yeah, me too.
Va Gov McCauliffe takes a face plant after being thrown from a horse in Africa. I hope he's ok.
The horse? Yeah, me too.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 19, 2015 03:03 PM (suql3)
568
If GDP grows by 5% a year, the deficit will be $0 in a few years even if you don't cut a dime of spending or lower any tax cuts.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
Except... that the original post you took exception to, was pointing out that once you take out Government spending which is increasing the debt.... the economy is NOT growing.
Keynesian economic policies will be the death of this economy.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
Except... that the original post you took exception to, was pointing out that once you take out Government spending which is increasing the debt.... the economy is NOT growing.
Keynesian economic policies will be the death of this economy.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 03:04 PM (qh617)
569
You can't be this dense.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (0LHZx)
And yet, you are this obtuse.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (0LHZx)
And yet, you are this obtuse.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 03:05 PM (nL0sw)
570
In 1945 the debt was 120% of GDP.
I guess it was all that welfare, huh? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:43 PM (0LHZx)
Federal spending
1945: $106.9 Bil
1946 $66.5 Bil
1947 $41.4 Bil
That's why we didn't collapse in the late 1940s. We should cut spending in half this year and then again next year.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_spending_1946USbn
I guess it was all that welfare, huh? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:43 PM (0LHZx)
Federal spending
1945: $106.9 Bil
1946 $66.5 Bil
1947 $41.4 Bil
That's why we didn't collapse in the late 1940s. We should cut spending in half this year and then again next year.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_spending_1946USbn
Posted by: zmdavid at January 19, 2015 03:05 PM (FnCKN)
571
the Energized Bunny general, he took a licking and he kept
on ticking.
From hell's heart, I stab at thee.
on ticking.
From hell's heart, I stab at thee.
Posted by: John Cameron Swayze at January 19, 2015 03:05 PM (xq1UY)
572
OMG. You are dense. Just because the ratio of debt to GDP goes down does not mean that debt has gone down. I know you know this.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:59 PM (gmeXX)
----------------------------------------------
Don't get upset. Mr Rove........er.........I mean, Mr. Moo understands this.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:59 PM (gmeXX)
----------------------------------------------
Don't get upset. Mr Rove........er.........I mean, Mr. Moo understands this.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 03:05 PM (qbgxo)
573
"Va Gov McCauliffe takes a face plant after being thrown from a horse in Africa."
BRB. Getting carrots and apples for horse.
BRB. Getting carrots and apples for horse.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 19, 2015 03:05 PM (noWW6)
574
I was saying a vast amount of debt was
accumulated in the years immediately prior to WWII. I did not say
Medicare was instituted under the New Deal. You are obtusely using an
argument that insinuates that there were no Treasury draining social
programs prior to Medicare.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (nL0sw)
Obtuse insinuations are the man's speciality, cut him some slack, he's just peddling his wares.
accumulated in the years immediately prior to WWII. I did not say
Medicare was instituted under the New Deal. You are obtusely using an
argument that insinuates that there were no Treasury draining social
programs prior to Medicare.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 19, 2015 02:56 PM (nL0sw)
Obtuse insinuations are the man's speciality, cut him some slack, he's just peddling his wares.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 19, 2015 03:05 PM (9LuAk)
575
"I guess there is no point to continuing this conversation."
There was no point in starting it with this fool, I should have remembered that.
There was no point in starting it with this fool, I should have remembered that.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 19, 2015 03:06 PM (1Y+hH)
576
You have to be some kind of dumbass to believe obama's economic numbers. They're about as real as global warming data.
You have to be some kind of dumbass to believe obama's economic numbers. They're about as real as global warming data.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 19, 2015 03:07 PM (suql3)
577
But that's basically what has happened over the past 4 years. Spending has remained constant more or less, taxes have remained constant more or less and yet the debt has gone from $1T+ to under $0.5T.
What is impossible, has been happening.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 03:00 PM (0LHZx)
ORLY?
Our debt has gone from $1T to <$.5T?
That would amaze the US Treasury who asserts the Debt is $18.092T and rising at (guestimating) $10K/sec.
*deficit* != debt.
What is impossible, has been happening.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 03:00 PM (0LHZx)
ORLY?
Our debt has gone from $1T to <$.5T?
That would amaze the US Treasury who asserts the Debt is $18.092T and rising at (guestimating) $10K/sec.
*deficit* != debt.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 19, 2015 03:07 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 19, 2015 03:07 PM (7ObY1)
579
If the Nationals are shopping Jordan Zimmerman to make room for Scherzer in their rotation/payroll, we'll take him here in St. Louis.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:07 PM (Dj0WE)
580
Comparing apples to horses.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:34 PM (0LHZx)
Yeah, because stiffing the American people on their debt would have no economic consequences. /sarc
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 19, 2015 02:34 PM (0LHZx)
Yeah, because stiffing the American people on their debt would have no economic consequences. /sarc
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at January 19, 2015 03:08 PM (nRvEn)
581
Yeah, half the deficit just magically went away.
Yeah, half the deficit just magically went away.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 19, 2015 03:08 PM (suql3)
582
Oh, and speaking of out of control Washington spending... $210 million for Max Scherzer?
Really?
Really??
----
Further proof that baseball is much stronger (not better) than football? The economic (and health) incentives for a good athlete are in baseball's favor.
Really?
Really??
----
Further proof that baseball is much stronger (not better) than football? The economic (and health) incentives for a good athlete are in baseball's favor.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:08 PM (gmeXX)
583
Well since we are confusing deficit with debt, I guess there is no point to continuing this conversation.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:03 PM (gmeXX)
A very common confusion. Here in CA idiot liberals (BIRM) commonly crow about how Jerry Brown "eliminated the debt problem."
He did nothing of kind. He addressed the deficit problem, albeit in a dishonest and underhanded way, by shifting state line items onto the budgets of local governments. But the debt problem - a ca. $500 billion overhang owed to our bloated state unionized bureaucracy - remains.
Sigh.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:03 PM (gmeXX)
A very common confusion. Here in CA idiot liberals (BIRM) commonly crow about how Jerry Brown "eliminated the debt problem."
He did nothing of kind. He addressed the deficit problem, albeit in a dishonest and underhanded way, by shifting state line items onto the budgets of local governments. But the debt problem - a ca. $500 billion overhang owed to our bloated state unionized bureaucracy - remains.
Sigh.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 19, 2015 03:09 PM (oKE6c)
584
Oh, and speaking of out of control Washington spending... $210 million for Max Scherzer?
Really?
Really??
The Nationals are in a WIN NOW phase. If they don't win now and soon, they will be saddled with those unsustainable contracts going forward will have to have a fire sale like the Miami franchise did. Not really a wise move in my opinion
Really?
Really??
The Nationals are in a WIN NOW phase. If they don't win now and soon, they will be saddled with those unsustainable contracts going forward will have to have a fire sale like the Miami franchise did. Not really a wise move in my opinion
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 03:11 PM (Zmw74)
585
fooking here after Ace ask that it stop
Apparently there's enough old safes to keep some guys in business going around opening them up for current owners. They had a reality TV show for a while.
Geraldo & Capone.
Apparently there's enough old safes to keep some guys in business going around opening them up for current owners. They had a reality TV show for a while.
Geraldo & Capone.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 03:12 PM (d20MQ)
586
OMG. You are dense. Just because the ratio of debt to GDP goes down does not mean that debt has gone down. I know you know this.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:59 PM (gmeXX)
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Good news for Bovine Boy. The debt has decreased to $18trillion.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 02:59 PM (gmeXX)
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Good news for Bovine Boy. The debt has decreased to $18trillion.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 03:12 PM (qbgxo)
587
The Nationals are in a WIN NOW phase. If they don't win now and soon, they will be saddled with those unsustainable contracts going forward will have to have a fire sale like the Miami franchise did. Not really a wise move in my opinion
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So just like every politician in Washington.
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So just like every politician in Washington.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:12 PM (gmeXX)
588
559
Va Gov McCauliffe takes a face plant after being thrown from a horse in Africa. I hope he's ok.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (XzRw1)
Why? He's a TOTAL asshole and a CROOK.
Va Gov McCauliffe takes a face plant after being thrown from a horse in Africa. I hope he's ok.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 19, 2015 03:01 PM (XzRw1)
Why? He's a TOTAL asshole and a CROOK.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 03:12 PM (0FSuD)
589
So just like every politician in Washington.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:12 PM (gmeXX)
Pretty much
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:12 PM (gmeXX)
Pretty much
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 03:13 PM (Zmw74)
590
"The power has shifted. What will it mean for obama's state of the union address?"
That was the deep-movie-trailer-voiced promo on CNN just now.
Rush always mentions how the media is obsessed (and wants you to be obsessed with) with how everything affects obama.
"The power has shifted. What will it mean for obama's state of the union address?"
That was the deep-movie-trailer-voiced promo on CNN just now.
Rush always mentions how the media is obsessed (and wants you to be obsessed with) with how everything affects obama.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 19, 2015 03:14 PM (suql3)
591
http://www.mygovcost.org/2014/10/28/the-hidden-deficit/
Posted by: lymond at January 19, 2015 02:52 PM (DcPHq)
Interesting article... but does it really matter?
The debt increased.... really does not matter what they spent it on...
and saying that we're not going to count half the debt is what most of us would call a lie...
Would be nice if MY bank would allow me that reasoning...
Posted by: lymond at January 19, 2015 02:52 PM (DcPHq)
Interesting article... but does it really matter?
The debt increased.... really does not matter what they spent it on...
and saying that we're not going to count half the debt is what most of us would call a lie...
Would be nice if MY bank would allow me that reasoning...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)
592
CNN is saying there are no "no-go zones" in UK; Jindal is a liar who is just speaking to his base.
CNN is saying there are no "no-go zones" in UK; Jindal is a liar who is just speaking to his base.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 19, 2015 03:16 PM (suql3)
593
Yeah, I would say after the Paris shit, it is a pretty slow news week.
Winter doesn't encourage protesters that live in their mom's basement.
Stolen from Insty.
http://tinyurl.com/l7bdsca
Winter doesn't encourage protesters that live in their mom's basement.
Stolen from Insty.
http://tinyurl.com/l7bdsca
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Archer Ace on vacay at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (yn6XZ)
595
Would be nice if MY bank would allow me that reasoning...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)
Hey stop bitching. Yus should see how we caculate interest and debt. Now freaken pay me!
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)
Hey stop bitching. Yus should see how we caculate interest and debt. Now freaken pay me!
Posted by: Mafia Bank at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (Zmw74)
596
Interesting article... but does it really matter?
The debt increased.... really does not matter what they spent it on...
and saying that we're not going to count half the debt is what most of us would call a lie...
Would be nice if MY bank would allow me that reasoning...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)
Ya gotta spend money to make money!
The debt increased.... really does not matter what they spent it on...
and saying that we're not going to count half the debt is what most of us would call a lie...
Would be nice if MY bank would allow me that reasoning...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)
Ya gotta spend money to make money!
Posted by: Joe Biden, economics genius at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (2Ojst)
597
#NoMoo
Posted by: NFL's new anti-abuse commercials at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (LKBn6)
598
I just don't understand the Nationals' thinking here. Almost ANY other team in MLB would have greatly improved their rotation by signing Scherzer. The Nats... maybe improve theirs. A little.
And if it costs you Zimmerman, it doesn't at all! Zimmerman is a better pitcher going forward than Scherzer. On that I would stake my Papal Infallibility status.
Now, could you deal Zimmerman for a second baseman? Sure, but this is just silly. I'm sticking with my original statement: this is just another example of Washington spending being out of control.
And if it costs you Zimmerman, it doesn't at all! Zimmerman is a better pitcher going forward than Scherzer. On that I would stake my Papal Infallibility status.
Now, could you deal Zimmerman for a second baseman? Sure, but this is just silly. I'm sticking with my original statement: this is just another example of Washington spending being out of control.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (Dj0WE)
599
Glad they waited for Ted Kennedy to die and make sure his family got the inheritance taken care of before they talked about reinstating the "death tax" #bothsidesofthesamecoin
Posted by: robschr at January 19, 2015 03:18 PM (rPSqu)
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Now, could you deal Zimmerman for a second baseman? Sure, but this is just silly. I'm sticking with my original statement: this is just another example of Washington spending being out of control.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (Dj0WE)
Got to be careful with Zimmerman. If there's a bench-clearing brawl, he might bust a cap.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (Dj0WE)
Got to be careful with Zimmerman. If there's a bench-clearing brawl, he might bust a cap.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 19, 2015 03:18 PM (2Ojst)
601
598 I just don't understand the Nationals' thinking here. Almost ANY other team in MLB would have greatly improved their rotation by signing Scherzer. The Nats... maybe improve theirs. A little.
And if it costs you Zimmerman, it doesn't at all! Zimmerman is a better pitcher going forward than Scherzer. On that I would stake my Papal Infallibility status.
Now, could you deal Zimmerman for a second baseman? Sure, but this is just silly. I'm sticking with my original statement: this is just another example of Washington spending being out of control.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (Dj0WE)
The word is they are NOT looking to trade Zimmerman, but are going for the whole shebang this year on the back of their pitching
And if it costs you Zimmerman, it doesn't at all! Zimmerman is a better pitcher going forward than Scherzer. On that I would stake my Papal Infallibility status.
Now, could you deal Zimmerman for a second baseman? Sure, but this is just silly. I'm sticking with my original statement: this is just another example of Washington spending being out of control.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (Dj0WE)
The word is they are NOT looking to trade Zimmerman, but are going for the whole shebang this year on the back of their pitching
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 03:19 PM (Zmw74)
602
Hah! They have two Zimmermans on the roster!
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:19 PM (Dj0WE)
603
Actually "spend money to make money" is mostly true.
Biden was more saying that you have spend money to save money, which is asinine.
Actually "spend money to make money" is mostly true.
Biden was more saying that you have spend money to save money, which is asinine.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 19, 2015 03:19 PM (suql3)
604
Glad they waited for Ted Kennedy to die and make sure his family got the inheritance taken care of before they talked about reinstating the "death tax"
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The Estate Tax reduction is a big anti-tax success story. A tax that very few actually pay went down with a higher exemption.
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The Estate Tax reduction is a big anti-tax success story. A tax that very few actually pay went down with a higher exemption.
Posted by: SH at January 19, 2015 03:20 PM (gmeXX)
605
599
Glad they waited for Ted Kennedy to die and make sure his family got the
inheritance taken care of before they talked about reinstating the
"death tax" #bothsidesofthesamecoin
Posted by: robschr at January 19, 2015 03:18 PM (rPSqu)
The Kennedy money has been in trusts since Big Joe died. They don't ever pay inheritance taxes, because the trust owns everything.
AKA, Sen Rockefeller, WVA, ditto.
Glad they waited for Ted Kennedy to die and make sure his family got the
inheritance taken care of before they talked about reinstating the
"death tax" #bothsidesofthesamecoin
Posted by: robschr at January 19, 2015 03:18 PM (rPSqu)
The Kennedy money has been in trusts since Big Joe died. They don't ever pay inheritance taxes, because the trust owns everything.
AKA, Sen Rockefeller, WVA, ditto.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 03:20 PM (0FSuD)
606
Eastwood kicks ass - 90.2 million. Suck it Hollywood.
.........................
I do think at a certain point you've made enough money.
In my SOTU I will be outlining my new Rich People Who Have Insulted Me tax.
Eastwood kicks ass - 90.2 million. Suck it Hollywood.
.........................
I do think at a certain point you've made enough money.
In my SOTU I will be outlining my new Rich People Who Have Insulted Me tax.
Posted by: Hussein's greatest hits at January 19, 2015 03:21 PM (wAQA5)
607
Crimethink is doubleplusungood!
Mandatory "though reform" at the U. of Delaware
http://bit.ly/1EiPCpV
Mandatory "though reform" at the U. of Delaware
http://bit.ly/1EiPCpV
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 19, 2015 03:21 PM (0Ew3K)
608
599 Glad they waited for Ted Kennedy to die and make sure his family got the inheritance taken care of before they talked about reinstating the "death tax" #bothsidesofthesamecoin
Posted by: robschr at January 19, 2015 03:18 PM (rPSqu)
For pity's sake, someone put a drop of Glanmorangie on my tongue! All they have down here is that Dewar's blended shit!
Posted by: robschr at January 19, 2015 03:18 PM (rPSqu)
For pity's sake, someone put a drop of Glanmorangie on my tongue! All they have down here is that Dewar's blended shit!
Posted by: Ted Kennedy, from hell at January 19, 2015 03:21 PM (2Ojst)
609
And if it costs you Zimmerman, it doesn't at all! Zimmerman is a better pitcher going forward than Scherzer. On that I would stake my Papal Infallibility status. Now, could you deal Zimmerman for a second baseman? Sure, but this is just silly. I'm sticking with my original statement: this is just another example of Washington spending being out of control.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (Dj0WE)
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Or they could just fire him and he could join a neighborhood security watch in FL.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:17 PM (Dj0WE)
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Or they could just fire him and he could join a neighborhood security watch in FL.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 03:21 PM (qbgxo)
610
Rush always mentions how the media is obsessed (and wants you to be obsessed with) with how everything affects obama.
JT Marlin upgrades Etruscan Lyre & Laurel Mfg. Co. to STRONG BUY.
JT Marlin upgrades Etruscan Lyre & Laurel Mfg. Co. to STRONG BUY.
Posted by: JT Marlin at January 19, 2015 03:22 PM (8ZskC)
611
The Nationals wouyld have been better off trying to keep Tyler Clippard. All you really need is one "lights out" closer to make the close games wins. The Nats will miss him. On another not having Scherzer and Strasburg in the same rotation is ridiculous. There will be no better one/two combo out there.
Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at January 19, 2015 03:22 PM (RNhbC)
612
The word is they are NOT looking to trade Zimmerman, but are going for the whole shebang this year on the back of their pitching
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 03:19 PM (Zmw74)
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Maybe that's the thinking, but it's not likely to work. It just isn't. You can't do much better than their starters did last year, and if you don't fill the holes in your offense, it won't matter how good the starters are.
Word is, the Cardinals were waiting to see how all this shook out with Scherzer. If they do NOT acquire another front line starter, I will be shocked.
I'll take Hamels. Or Price. I'm not picky.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2015 03:19 PM (Zmw74)
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Maybe that's the thinking, but it's not likely to work. It just isn't. You can't do much better than their starters did last year, and if you don't fill the holes in your offense, it won't matter how good the starters are.
Word is, the Cardinals were waiting to see how all this shook out with Scherzer. If they do NOT acquire another front line starter, I will be shocked.
I'll take Hamels. Or Price. I'm not picky.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:23 PM (Dj0WE)
613
I love the NY Slime. Little girl with sign MLK's dream lives.
What would that dream, be a hook that doesn't charge? Or no VD?
What would that dream, be a hook that doesn't charge? Or no VD?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 19, 2015 03:23 PM (0FSuD)
614
It's occurred to me that half the people wanking over pictures of MLK today would hate the shit out of him if he were alive today for being publicly Christian.
Posted by: HR at January 19, 2015 03:23 PM (ImIut)
615
nood
Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 19, 2015 03:24 PM (OsWis)
616
It's occurred to me that half the people wanking over pictures of MLK today would hate the shit out of him if he were alive today for being publicly Christian.
Posted by: HR at January 19, 2015 03:23 PM (ImIut)
**********
And conservative. MLK would more likely align with Tea Party types than the foaming at the mouth race hucksters.
Posted by: HR at January 19, 2015 03:23 PM (ImIut)
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And conservative. MLK would more likely align with Tea Party types than the foaming at the mouth race hucksters.
Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at January 19, 2015 03:25 PM (RNhbC)
617
It's occurred to me that half the people wanking over pictures of MLK
today would hate the shit out of him if he were alive today for being
publicly Christian.>>>
Not to mention the content of character thing he also mentioned.
today would hate the shit out of him if he were alive today for being
publicly Christian.>>>
Not to mention the content of character thing he also mentioned.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 19, 2015 03:25 PM (Mxs5H)
618
On another not having Scherzer and Strasburg in the
same rotation is ridiculous. There will be no better one/two combo out
there.
Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at January 19, 2015 03:22 PM (RNhbC)
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Oh, I would take Kershaw/Greinke... of course Kershaw has to learn to pitch in October, so.....
same rotation is ridiculous. There will be no better one/two combo out
there.
Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at January 19, 2015 03:22 PM (RNhbC)
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Oh, I would take Kershaw/Greinke... of course Kershaw has to learn to pitch in October, so.....
Posted by: BurtTC at January 19, 2015 03:25 PM (Dj0WE)
619
It's occurred to me that half the people wanking over pictures of MLK today would hate the shit out of him if he were alive today for being publicly Christian.
Posted by: HR at January 19, 2015 03:23 PM (ImIut)
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There is nothing they would like about him nowdays.
Posted by: HR at January 19, 2015 03:23 PM (ImIut)
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There is nothing they would like about him nowdays.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 03:25 PM (qbgxo)
620
Biden was more saying that you have spend money to save money, which is asinine.
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He ought to spend a few bucks on a bathing suit.
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He ought to spend a few bucks on a bathing suit.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 03:25 PM (LImiJ)
621
The Mad Scherzer deal is fascinating, at least in outline. The Nationals are supposedly going to pay him $15 million per year for the next 14 years, said one report. Today, interest rates are very low, thanks to our disasterous economy and a Fed with both feet and a couple of cement blocks on the market interest rate mechanism. As inflation takes hold over the next few years that won't be true, and if the newspapers are to be believed, Scherzer is taking all of that risk. This could turn out to be one of the best contracts ever signed by a team if interest rates elevate by a lot, a very good deal if rates rise by a little and market rate for an excellent pitcher if rates rise by not at all.
Don't tell that fool MooMoo or we will get all sorts of fact-free rambling on this too.
Don't tell that fool MooMoo or we will get all sorts of fact-free rambling on this too.
Posted by: MTF at January 19, 2015 03:25 PM (6um35)
622
For pity's sake, someone put a drop of Glanmorangie on my tongue! All they have down here is that Dewar's blended shit!
Posted by: Ted Kennedy, from hell at January 19, 2015 03:21 PM (2Ojst)
That burns when I shove it up your ass. That's the plan. Stop complaining or I am going back to Drano.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy, from hell at January 19, 2015 03:21 PM (2Ojst)
That burns when I shove it up your ass. That's the plan. Stop complaining or I am going back to Drano.
Posted by: Satan at January 19, 2015 03:26 PM (0FSuD)
623
tax the rich feed the poor tax the rich till they aient rich no more!
Posted by: captain*arizona at January 19, 2015 03:26 PM (PWDu1)
624
Not to mention the content of character thing he also mentioned.
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I hate Al Sharpton because of the content of his character.
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I hate Al Sharpton because of the content of his character.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 19, 2015 03:27 PM (LImiJ)
625
tax the rich feed the poor tax the rich till they aient rich no more!
Posted by: captain*arizona at January 19, 2015 03:26 PM (PWDu1)
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Their logic didn't go any further than that then, and it hasn't gone any further than that now. Buncha dumbasses.
Posted by: captain*arizona at January 19, 2015 03:26 PM (PWDu1)
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Their logic didn't go any further than that then, and it hasn't gone any further than that now. Buncha dumbasses.
Posted by: Soona at January 19, 2015 03:29 PM (qbgxo)
626
Interesting article... but does it really matter?
The debt increased.... really does not matter what they spent it on...
and saying that we're not going to count half the debt is what most of us would call a lie...
Would be nice if MY bank would allow me that reasoning...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)
Nope, doesn't really matter. Typical though, when Bush the president the media couldn't get enough of talking about the accounting gimmicks that kept decifits lower. They seem disinterested in the gap between deficit and debt now, imagine that.
The debt increased.... really does not matter what they spent it on...
and saying that we're not going to count half the debt is what most of us would call a lie...
Would be nice if MY bank would allow me that reasoning...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 19, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)
Nope, doesn't really matter. Typical though, when Bush the president the media couldn't get enough of talking about the accounting gimmicks that kept decifits lower. They seem disinterested in the gap between deficit and debt now, imagine that.
Posted by: lymond at January 19, 2015 03:29 PM (DcPHq)
627
>>>Glad they waited for Ted Kennedy to die and make
sure his family got the inheritance taken care of before they talked
about reinstating the "death tax" #bothsidesofthesamecoin
Posted by: robschr at January 19, 2015 03:18 PM (rPSqu)<<<
Howie Carr, who knows lots about Kennedy criminality, often comments on how when The Swimmer's mother died the family claimed that she lived in Florida in order to avoid the MA inheritance taxes, even though she hadn't stepped foot in the state in something like 20 or 30 years. For the chiiiiiildren... of course.
sure his family got the inheritance taken care of before they talked
about reinstating the "death tax" #bothsidesofthesamecoin
Posted by: robschr at January 19, 2015 03:18 PM (rPSqu)<<<
Howie Carr, who knows lots about Kennedy criminality, often comments on how when The Swimmer's mother died the family claimed that she lived in Florida in order to avoid the MA inheritance taxes, even though she hadn't stepped foot in the state in something like 20 or 30 years. For the chiiiiiildren... of course.
Posted by: Art Mullen's Marshal stiffy at January 19, 2015 03:31 PM (LKBn6)
628
I always wonder if MLK Jr would be aligned with the racial extortionists and SJWs--I mean, Jesse was with MLK in Memphis--or if Martin would seek reconciliation vis a vis his "Dream" speech.
Posted by: Far Post at January 19, 2015 03:32 PM (6srcI)
629
Here is what matters every month in america 100,000 minority kids turn 18(voting age) and every one of them hating conservatives and they have ids so they can't be stopped from voting! That is 5,000,000 more votes for mrs. clinton in 2016! Also 1,000,000 conservative voters have died since 2012 bye bye!
Posted by: captain*arizona at January 19, 2015 03:34 PM (PWDu1)
630
Here is what matters every month in america 100,000 minority kids turn 18(voting age) and every one of them hating conservatives and they have ids so they can't be stopped from voting! That is 5,000,000 more votes for mrs. clinton in 2016! Also 1,000,000 conservative voters have died since 2012 bye bye!
How many kollege gradiates with no job prospects and a mountian of "free money" debt, courtesy of the dims?
How many kollege gradiates with no job prospects and a mountian of "free money" debt, courtesy of the dims?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2015 03:40 PM (d20MQ)
631
The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and teaches that none of those who are not within the Catholic Church, not only Pagans, but Jews, heretics and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but are to go into the eternal fire 'prepared for the devil, and his angels' (Mt. xxv. 41), unless before the close of their lives they shall have entered into that Church (Pope Eugene IV, The Bull Cantate Domino, 1441)
So, is that statement infallible or not?
So, is that statement infallible or not?
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at January 19, 2015 03:40 PM (nRvEn)
632
Eastwood kicks ass - 90.2 million. Suck it
Hollywood. They will choose their ideology over reality and what the
American public actually will pay money to see and they scratch their
pointy chins and wonder why.
Posted by: Cheri at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (ZFPMM)
A friend of mine posted on my FB page that she and her husband were going to try the 1 PM show of American Sniper this afternoon, only to be told that ALL shows were sold out until 10 PM tonight! WOW!! Michael "Fat Ass" Moore is going to pop a gasket.
Hollywood. They will choose their ideology over reality and what the
American public actually will pay money to see and they scratch their
pointy chins and wonder why.
Posted by: Cheri at January 19, 2015 02:48 PM (ZFPMM)
A friend of mine posted on my FB page that she and her husband were going to try the 1 PM show of American Sniper this afternoon, only to be told that ALL shows were sold out until 10 PM tonight! WOW!! Michael "Fat Ass" Moore is going to pop a gasket.
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