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A Crisis Of Faith (Guest Post By Steven Den Beste)
(Guest Post By Steven Den Beste)
No, not Muslims; it's the the western press. The Press have created an ideology over the last fifty years or so that approaches the level of a secular religious dogma. They believe that the Press are like the referees in a football game, present everywhere but not involved in the action. Surrounded by violence, they themselves never contribute to the violence and are never the objects of violence. And they are strictly neutral, favoring no one but simply calling it all like they see it. Except that they've also mixed in a big dollop of Marxist ideology: they aren't, and shouldn't be, strictly neutral. As good progressives they can and must work against global capitalism and everything associated with it. That means it's OK to criticize Christianity and Judaism, for instance, because those religions are part of the Capitalist monolith. By working against all the things that Marxism says they should, this gives them credibility with the world's proletariat, who will respond to that by leaving the press alone. Or so they think. And violence by the world's proletariat is a good thing because it may presage the global Socialist revolution prophesied by the sainted Marx. That includes, in particular, all the violence in the world being committed by Muslims.Like a lot of religious dogma, this is subconscious in a lot of the press. They simply accept that it's the way things are (or should be) and don't worry about where it came from or whether it really makes any sense.
The lethal attack on Charlie Hebdo, and the firebombing of a tabloid in Germany, has brought out a major contradiction in the Religion of the Press, and a lot of members of the press are demonstrating their confusion in how they respond. First, there is the fundamental dogma of press freedom: no matter what the press says or does, no one is supposed to harm them in return. They're the referees, dammit, not players in the struggle! Second, though, is the fact that Charlie and the Hamburg tabloid which was firebombed broke the compact by criticizing Islam. This was wrong! Not, surprisingly, because Muslim fanatics are dangerous (that is a good thing!), but because it is hoped that dangerous Muslim fanatics will fight against the Capitalist enemy which all good progressives are supposed to be working to undermine. Islam is a Third World religion, and criticizing it undermines the Press in trying to prove to the world Proletariat that the Press is on their side in the great Marxist struggle. And as a result of this Progressive sin, Charlie Hebdo et. al. have dragged all the rest of the press into the battle, on the front line, where they no longer seem to have their assumed immunity. And that's why a lot of them have a deer-in-the-headlights look on their collective faces. A common response has been, "We believe in absolute press freedom, but with freedom comes responsibility, and Charlie Hebdo and everyone else who published cartoons critical of Islam are abusing their responsibility and... deserved what happened to them." (That last isn't usually stated quite so bluntly, but you can see it if you read between the lines.) They know how bad this sounds, but they can't really say anything else without violating the Press religious dogma themselves and further undermining their presumed alliance with the World's Proletariat. How much of this is cowardice? I don't think they are really thinking in those terms. For one thing, the Press in the US thinks of itself as being brave, in part because of all the critical things they say about Christianity. There are all those "bitter clingers" out there with closets full of AR-15's just aching to shoot up the NYT and any other press outlet who dares say anything bad about Christianity (never mind that nothing like that has ever happened) and the Press bravely go ahead anyway. Likewise, they bravely risk being taken away by the Secret Police for criticizing the government when there's a Republican President (again, never mind that no one has ever been taken away like that). They're brave, damn it. They know they are! It's all very romantic and revolutionary. No, the problem, and the reason a lot of them won't republish the Charlie cartoons, is that the Press isn't supposed to be doing that kind of thing. It isn't Progressive! It's the wrong damned target!Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2015 08:51 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 13, 2015 08:51 AM (4oSLk)
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at January 13, 2015 08:53 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 13, 2015 08:54 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: @votermom at January 13, 2015 08:54 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: maddogg at January 13, 2015 08:55 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 13, 2015 08:55 AM (OMULS)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 08:56 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 13, 2015 08:58 AM (GqEzX)
Tar, feathers, rails?
Posted by: @votermom at January 13, 2015 08:58 AM (cbfNE)
BLACK LIVES MATTER! Unless they are in Africa. This story NOT reported once in the NY Slime. NOT ONCE!
Yet, 16 journalist dominate the world, while Africa burns.
http://tinyurl.com/opfbyec
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 08:59 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: rd at January 13, 2015 08:59 AM (k19Aq)
The law of averages and the random cosmic rays of crazy make it inevitable - and they already have hundreds of pieces ready to go denouncing everything from Moses to John Moses Browning.
Posted by: Jean at January 13, 2015 09:00 AM (3hIs0)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 13, 2015 09:00 AM (OMULS)
Posted by: Joe Mama at January 13, 2015 09:00 AM (OM9Av)
Wasn't D-Lamps idea of press treatment violent?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 13, 2015 09:00 AM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 13, 2015 09:00 AM (JtwS4)
Related: The White House didn't 'neglect' to participate in the march in Paris.
Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2015 09:01 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 13, 2015 09:01 AM (OMULS)
When did this start? Well, I guess with me.
http://tinyurl.com/k4vvbkh
Posted by: Zombie Walter Duranty at January 13, 2015 09:02 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 13, 2015 09:02 AM (ee9LE)
Posted by: MikeH at January 13, 2015 09:02 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Joe Mama at January 13, 2015 09:02 AM (OM9Av)
Posted by: Mark May: ESPN at January 13, 2015 09:02 AM (5voqw)
It's a largely Western/US phenomenon brought on by the (purposely) limited "broadcast" radio and television.
That edifice is crumbling as we speak. Thankfully.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 13, 2015 09:03 AM (/jpU8)
No one is forcing mohammadans to buy the Charlie magazine, or to fund it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 13, 2015 09:03 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 13, 2015 09:03 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Lauren at January 13, 2015 09:04 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Rolling Stone at January 13, 2015 09:04 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: joncelli at January 13, 2015 09:04 AM (RD7QR)
Story on Drudge about reporters debating whether to "arm up".
http://washex.am/1y9zGG1
Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2015 09:04 AM (JP4JT)
Posted by: Alf767 at January 13, 2015 09:05 AM (wE/DP)
Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2015 09:05 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 13, 2015 09:05 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: rd at January 13, 2015 09:05 AM (k19Aq)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 13, 2015 09:05 AM (ee9LE)
Posted by: AoSHQ Executive Recruitment committee at January 13, 2015 09:06 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 13, 2015 09:06 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 13, 2015 09:00 AM (F2IAQ)
In a Preston Brooks way, yes. But as our Muzzie friends are showing daily, a soft word and violence works much better than just a soft word.
We had this conversation yesterday in the Mitt thread, where the consensus seemed to be that the next GOP candidate has to run aggressively against the press. I've always said any candidate needs a rapid-response war room so you can have at hand the most damaging personal information about an MFM talking head. If George Steffiewhatever gets on your case about the "war on women," wouldn't it be sweet to bring up his past restraining orders? Or if Candy Crowley asks you about abortion, wouldn't you want to be able to point to her history of sandblasting her uterus into sterility?
D-Lamp's major point was that the MFM, by telling you only what it wants you to know, is a clear and present danger to a civil society and means have to be taken to either force them to admit their partisanship or force them (by ridicule? Tar and feathers? Economic pressure?) to be neutral.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:06 AM (zF6Iw)
Not so much referees as cheerleaders.
And, in many cases, coaches.
Where is John Elway when you need him?
Posted by: Joe Mama at January 13, 2015 09:07 AM (OM9Av)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 13, 2015 09:07 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: M. Murcek at January 13, 2015 09:07 AM (GJUgF)
Posted by: spongeworthy at January 13, 2015 09:07 AM (63d2u)
Posted by: Sven10077 at January 13, 2015 09:09 AM (/4AZU)
http://tinyurl.com/28eknr4
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:09 AM (0FSuD)
Bandersnatch, a few days after Charlie Hebdo a German paper was bombed because they reprinted the CH cartoons. Pretty light damage, thankfully. Although there was actual damage, unlike the NAACP "bombing".
Weird. I read two German papers every day, a tabloid and a broadsheet. I hadn't seen this. It's not being played up.
I did just find a story in Die Zeit. They're saying that the motives are unclear, but they're leaning toward a connection with the cartoons. Two guys arrested, but not named.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 13, 2015 09:09 AM (JtwS4)
Yet, 16 journalist dominate the world, while Africa burns.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 08:59 AM (0FSuD)
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#CommieLivesMatterMore via your Western Press Overlords
Posted by: Darth Randall at January 13, 2015 09:10 AM (6n332)
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On Twitchy they quote a journalist desperately seeking a way to present Obama's absence in Paris as some sort of double reverse secret squirrel diplomatic coup. He fails miserably.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 13, 2015 09:11 AM (ee9LE)
Posted by: Kreplach at January 13, 2015 09:12 AM (ozlS9)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 13, 2015 09:09 AM (JtwS4)
Which proves they're Muslims. Were either of them named something like "Fritz Hoffman," it'd be leading the news all over the planet.
"See!!! Christians are terrorists too!!"
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 13, 2015 09:12 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Sven10077
Doc Zero is someone else.
Anyway, it's nice to see Den Beste's still got it. I need to swing by Chizumatic more often...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 13, 2015 09:12 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 13, 2015 09:12 AM (Zu3d9)
The Press is shocked to learn Islam is and has always been a cult of conquest. This fact prompts denial and evasion and excuses galore.
The Press lives in a bubble.
Islam is really good at popping bubbles.
Posted by: eman at January 13, 2015 09:13 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 13, 2015 09:13 AM (ljIUb)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
I would like to know more about the "boot camp" that was conducted for Rethuglikkkkan Senate candidates. Supposedly media relations was a major part of it. We need far, far more of it.
And whomever the next candidate is, Newt needs to be their press secretary. There's a reason that the late Lee Atwater was hated; he understood the MFM, engaged them and won.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 13, 2015 09:13 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 13, 2015 09:13 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Fur be upon him.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 13, 2015 09:14 AM (Spluw)
The acceptance of the Marxist dichotomy explains why pointing out that treating Muslims as less than fully capable human beings with their own agency and will is met with blank stares. It's not classist and racist and bigoted to think that the Muslims are only responding to outside pressures rather than acting from their own wants and desires. Of course not. That's not how the world works!
Not printing the cartoons? That's straight up don't kill me. Oh, it might not be conscious anywhere outside of Legal where it is a very conscious decision indeed.
But it's absolutely fear of being killed that is driving this.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:15 AM (mf5HN)
Possibly for fear of Kristalnacht.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2015 09:15 AM (JP4JT)
Posted by: Lauren at January 13, 2015 09:15 AM (MYCIw)
I call on the Horde to refer to Ace as "The Prophet Ace" from now on......
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 13, 2015 09:12 AM (Zu3d9)
And so it is written.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:16 AM (0FSuD)
Especially good in elucidating the presumed "bravery" of attacking Christians and Republicans.
Gud ritin
.
We must establish an outreach to these disaffected presstitutes, and help them find the better faith. "If only they could use their powers for the good!"
Posted by: mindful webworker - as if I knew anything at January 13, 2015 09:16 AM (hUQVp)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:16 AM (0FSuD)
CNNs Carol Costello just used "the prophet Mohammed" three times in her story"
I see the progs have a new line they will use endlessly to show their leftist credentials. They noticed how annoying this was to conservatives so they have doubled down on it. We'll be hearing this a lot more in the coming days.
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at January 13, 2015 09:16 AM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at January 13, 2015 09:16 AM (Zls+j)
That would explain the lack of images of the Ewok. Blasphemous.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 13, 2015 09:16 AM (GqEzX)
It was pointed out here or on the podcast that we are being ruled by the cadre that played Model United Nations or was on the school council. We see how that's turning out.
Press is run by those who chose Journalism as a major. Which is no longer a vocation, it's a way of avoiding one. Pretty much a niche of the Marketing/Communications basket, but with so much more Importance.
Both castes are long on judgement and prescriptions, but short on experience and reason.
Posted by: scottst at January 13, 2015 09:17 AM (Ltygl)
He's a real member of the Third World proletariat, a communist, and he hates not just the USA but all of Western Civilization.
Posted by: Boots at January 13, 2015 09:17 AM (l9mF2)
To journalists, that ultimately means it is safe to continue attacking Christians because the result is not threatening. Nobody is going to cut their heads off or murder them for their false, insulting, disgusting, demeaning attacks. No matter how it contributes to the hate and murders of Christians around the world, which by the way are happening in record numbers.
But "freedom of the press" and "the two are not connected" or something.
Free speech is certainly a right to be respected. But it should also be entrusted to people who truly value it- not weaponize it against people with whom they do not agree. And today's journalists do. Gratuitously.
I don't agree with the Islamist terrorists murdering the buffoons in France. But the blood of innocent victims like that police officer is on the hands of the people at Charlie. For years they have irresponsibly wielded their free speech like some five-year old who found his parents loaded gun.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:17 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: GuyfromNH at January 13, 2015 09:18 AM (Kj8c4)
The Press is shocked to learn Islam is and has always been a cult of conquest. This fact prompts denial and evasion and excuses galore.
The Press lives in a bubble.
Islam is really good at popping bubbles.
Posted by: eman
Gateway Pundit: State Dept. Deputy Spokeperson: We Are at War With People Who Want to Kill People in the Name of a Variety of Causes
http://bit.ly/1xknxZr
When pressed, Harf hacked up a hairball that shamed Bill The Cat.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2015 09:18 AM (JP4JT)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Well I have not problem with that unless we also have to go to live on some commune out west without any running water and toilet paper and we have to eat grass and bugs and pray facing a computer moniter
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2015 09:18 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: deepred at January 13, 2015 09:18 AM (xv5cf)
http://tinyurl.com/qfedga8
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2015 09:19 AM (wlDny)
I believe these MFM types really see Judeo-Christian America as the "other", the reason we are held back from achieving great things. Those JC types hamper free thought and actions and love, and the MFM is darn well going to bring sunshine to their dark deeds. But they are inherently lazy, because they don't bother to truly find out the history, tenets and motivations of Islam. They believe with all their hearts that it must be good, because evil Republicans started a war with them. They have no comprehension of what takes place in Muslim communities/countries, because they don't want to be bothered with finding out the truth, much the way they live their entire lives. The truth would end up being far too painful.
They don't want to know about the Filipino women living on top of the Filipino Embassy in Riyadh, because they were raped and beaten by their Saudi employers, who hold their passports and won't let them leave the country. They don't want to know about the construction workers in these countries, who are only paid if they complete construction, but are switched from work site to work site, so that they never "complete" anything. They don't see a hundred Bangladeshi men living a one barrack meant for twenty, with only a bag of rice and three chickens as their food rations for a week.
That's a part of Muslim states nobody sees until they live in them, and even then, they quietly ignore it because to bring it up would incite the kind of violence we are seeing today.
I have little respect for the MFM and their apologists, needless to say.
Posted by: Moki at January 13, 2015 09:19 AM (bAB8f)
And why is that? Because Christ taught us to turn the other cheek.
Muhammad taught his followers to cut off everyone's heads.
But the liberals see Christianity as the "evil" religion. These people are delusional idiots.
Posted by: Lauren at January 13, 2015 09:19 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: GuyfromNH at January 13, 2015 09:18 AM (Kj8c4)
Hell.
Yes.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 13, 2015 09:20 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 13, 2015 09:16 AM (GqEzX)
That is even more hilarious considering just why it was that ace gave up attempting to stop the Horde from calling him an Ewok.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:20 AM (mf5HN)
The Press lives in a bubble.
The press made the damn bubble. They believe their own BS and that's why things are spinning out of control. Short a bizarre outbreak of sanity in their ranks, that's not changing, and it makes the odds of a course correction short cataclysmic events vanishingly slim.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 13, 2015 09:20 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Mac Gootbone at January 13, 2015 09:21 AM (saXX1)
The problem with our response to the press is the same as our response to most other prob entities. We insist on protecting and supporting them, while they continue to screw us over.
Ponder that the next time a Western Journo gets a cranial amputation, and curb your impulse to send in troops to kick ass on their behalf.
We don't need to hang media members ... they'll do that to each other. Hell, the entire Progressive structure will implode eventually - if we'll just quit supporting it.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2015 09:21 AM (8bA1i)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 13, 2015 09:21 AM (wtvvX)
Referees are to supposed to follow a set of rules that are applicable to
both sides. That of course is not the case. The game has been rigged
for a long time.
Posted by: deepred at January 13, 2015 09:18 AM (xv5cf)
I have long said that the press in this country has always been highly partisan. They were much more so back in the early days of the country. The difference is that both sides were covered. Now all the press is uniformly in the back pocket of the socialist Democrats. I know of only one major newspaper that is not Democrat and that is the WaEx and they are in the pocket of the RNCe.
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2015 09:22 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:22 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 13, 2015 09:23 AM (wtvvX)
"Keep your head down and your ass even lower. If they can see you, they can hit you".
Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2015 09:23 AM (JP4JT)
Posted by: fly at January 13, 2015 09:23 AM (2d01X)
http://marginallyhonorablechairman.wordpress.com/
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Cut the blue wire!
Posted by: @votermom at January 13, 2015 09:23 AM (cbfNE)
No.
Freedom is freedom.
If you dilute freedom to the point where no one, especially you, has their feelings hurt, then you are no longer free.
Posted by: eman at January 13, 2015 09:24 AM (MQEz6)
<<
Worst part Lauren- to whom is this funny or entertaining on a continual basis?
"Ooh, were so edgy. And we're equal opportunity insulter s. We do the most disgusting things to demean people's value systems and religious beliefs."
These people are nothing but useless propaganda transcribers for people who diminish our entire society. There is zero value in what they do. Zero.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:24 AM (GGCsk)
He also told His followers to sell everything they have and get a sword, too.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:24 AM (zF6Iw)
Why not? ISIS beheaded Foley and they barely said boo.
Posted by: Decaf at January 13, 2015 09:25 AM (ddNoU)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:20 AM (mf5HN)
Because he has a beard? He did the one time I met him.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:25 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:20 AM (mf5HN)
When did the ewok try that?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:25 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:26 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: NR Pax at January 13, 2015 09:27 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:20 AM (mf5HN)
Because he has a beard? He did the one time I met him.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:25 AM (zF6Iw)
The leather aviator cap completed the look.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:27 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at January 13, 2015 09:27 AM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Fewenuff at January 13, 2015 09:27 AM (zPNX5)
I keep all mine in a safe.
Posted by: fly at January 13, 2015 09:23 AM (2d01X)
At least you did before the tragic boating accident.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:27 AM (mf5HN)
Negative value.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 13, 2015 09:27 AM (noWW6)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:17 AM (GGCsk)
Well no. The blood of innocent victims like that police officer is on the hands of the Muslims who killed him.
"I was offended" isn't a reason to effing shoot someone in the face. If it were... Sweet hell would the world be simultaneously better and worse.
There is only one group of people on planet Earth who are permitted (through indifference and a refusal to engage) to murder in order to protect their feelings.
Honest non-snarky question: How many people do I have to kill - literally - for Christianity to be taken off the table as an acceptable target of satire and mockery?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 13, 2015 09:27 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 13, 2015 09:28 AM (rwI+c)
Germany, has brought out a major contradiction in the Religion of the
Press, and a lot of members of the press are demonstrating their
confusion in how they respond.
Are so many of them all that confused? A lot of them sure reacted quickly to Voxsplain why it wasn't really about free speech blah, blah, blah.
The didn't have a crisis when fellow journalists were beheaded.
They didn't have a crisis when Holder subpoenaed Fox and AP reporters.
They haven't had a crisis - except for Atkisson and Woodward - as the Obama WH has harassed them over unfavorable coverage, greatly reduced access, etc.
Pert of the problem is that the MSM has become part of this administration, part of the ruling class as seen w/all of the incestuous, familial relationships between the MSM and WH.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2015 09:29 AM (ABcz/)
And why is that? Because Christ taught us to turn the other cheek.
Muhammad taught his followers to cut off everyone's heads.
But the liberals see Christianity as the "evil" religion. These people are delusional idiots.
Posted by: Lauren at January 13, 2015 09:19 AM (MYCIw)
Turn the other cheek. I was born with only two cheeks. There are limits, and smart people will not exceed them.
Posted by: rd at January 13, 2015 09:29 AM (k19Aq)
And why is that? Because Christ taught us to turn the other cheek.
Muhammad taught his followers to cut off everyone's heads.
But the liberals see Christianity as the "evil" religion. These people are delusional idiots.
Posted by: Lauren at January 13, 2015 09:19 AM (MYCIw)
Turn the other cheek. I was born with only two cheeks. There are limits, and smart people will not exceed them.
Posted by: rd at January 13, 2015 09:29 AM (k19Aq)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 13, 2015 09:29 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Pendejo Grande at January 13, 2015 09:29 AM (OZW5B)
Posted by: Pope Urban Meyer at January 13, 2015 09:30 AM (5voqw)
<<
That's a platitudinous retort that people wield like it has some deeper meaning.
Nobody is stating you can not write or print it. What I am saying is that people should use that freedom responsibly and realize there is an impact to those expressions. This has not hit the press until now, when some of their buffoonish colleagues were murdered.
They don't care to make connections to the other impacts their writing or freakish cartoons have in the real world.
You don't think that some of the anti-Christian nonsense has an effect on those killing Christians around the world? You would be wrong to say no.
How about the effects of the media lying about Obama and all the Democrats do? People bitch about that all the time around here.
Do journalists care about the pain that's cause to our families?
Of course they don't. They're still doing it and will do it again.
None of that is responsible journalism.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:31 AM (GGCsk)
Indeed. Someone be sure and tell me when it's go-time on the unrestrained id.
Posted by: toby928(C) has a list a mile long at January 13, 2015 09:31 AM (evdj2)
These folks can and should drop the decorum shit and tell their hosts and fellow guests to go eat whale dick.
Posted by: eman at January 13, 2015 09:31 AM (MQEz6)
I vote the second. I also wish it done in the most entertaining method possible, preferably something involving berserk welding robots and rabid muskrats.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 13, 2015 09:31 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Gmac - Still pondering something... at January 13, 2015 09:32 AM (4pjhs)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:32 AM (2Ojst)
They have a patch that says "Stand For Life."
Posted by: Lauren at January 13, 2015 09:32 AM (MYCIw)
Cannot lose. Just think back how high Newt soared after taking on the moderator in one of the primary debates. It was exhilirating.
Posted by: Decaf at January 13, 2015 09:32 AM (ddNoU)
An armed society is a polite society, or so I'm told.
Compare/contrast gun control heavy "Blue America" vs. gun carrying "Red America".
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 13, 2015 09:33 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 13, 2015 09:27 AM (fwARV)
Honest non-snarky answer: going on the Chinese proverb, The nail that sticks up will be hammered down, I don't think it's a question of homw many, but a question of who. Strike down the most vociferous opponents of Christianity, and the others will shut up soon enough. IMO.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:33 AM (zF6Iw)
Just don't ever turn THAT other cheek. Don't ever let anybody punk you.
Posted by: Hancock at January 13, 2015 09:33 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Moki at January 13, 2015 09:34 AM (bAB8f)
They have a patch that says "Stand For Life."
Posted by: Lauren at January 13, 2015 09:32 AM (MYCIw)
Love it.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:34 AM (2Ojst)
You will determine what is responsible and what is not?
Or will you organize a committee to do that?
Posted by: eman at January 13, 2015 09:34 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:25 AM (zF6Iw)
Ahhh the mists of blog history.
In brief: When the HQ first started up, someone (steve or maybe not steve) called ace an Ewok. The Horde ran with it. At that point, no one outside a very few people had met ace. Ace kept trying to get us to knock off the Ewok shit.
Then he won blog of the year and gave a very thoughtful speech. There was video.
The Horde laser focused not on the very thoughtful and insightful speech but the fact that ace looked rather Ewoky. And thus ace gave up.
The end.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:34 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: toby928(C) has a list a mile long at January 13, 2015 09:31 AM (evdj2)
Making a list,
Checking it twice,
Gonna remember who was naughty and nice,
Toby is going to town.
Posted by: rd at January 13, 2015 09:34 AM (k19Aq)
They were all good with it when their cameras focus was the object of violence but now that their smarmy selves are they're confused.
Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2015 09:34 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: In the bunker at January 13, 2015 09:34 AM (mGaFd)
Posted by: Moki at January 13, 2015 09:34 AM (bAB8f)
SKS. Solid piece of work.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:35 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Moki at January 13, 2015 09:36 AM (bAB8f)
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2015 09:37 AM (8bA1i)
Posted by: tsj017 at January 13, 2015 09:37 AM (iq/wR)
Colour photo of a Nazi rally taken by one of Hitler's personal photographers. 1930s
twitter.com/VeryOldPics/status/555008953802055683
Posted by: @votermom at January 13, 2015 09:37 AM (cbfNE)
Well of course. Ultimately that act is on the hands of the murderers. I'm not justifying their alleged casus belli.
But it is undeniable the tasteless, untalented and clearly provocative acts, which are meant to be so, serve no particular purpose except to insult people because- funny.
To whom?
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:37 AM (GGCsk)
Journalism majors thank Marx everyday for Education Majors keeping them off the bottom of the SAT list.
Posted by: toby928(C) has a list a mile long at January 13, 2015 09:38 AM (evdj2)
in current journolist thinking.
They're simply the bully who doesn't expect the goofy kid with glasses(Christians) to get up and kick their ass.
But when, it does happen....
Well, guess who's left alone from the bullying. (see schoolyard experience)
By the way, I think fear of violence also played a part in President Cakeboy's decision not to go to Paris.
He's a community organizer.
They use the same "above it all while actually undermining "The Man" justification.
It's activism for cowards.
So, for the rest of us, the current cultural choice is islam or Alinskite communist subversion.
The Third Way of traditional American values is never considered valid.
Who wins this Steel Cage Western Civ Death Match?
The Profit Alinsky or The Profit Mohammed?
Posted by: naturalfake at January 13, 2015 09:38 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2015 09:39 AM (Zmw74)
To whom?
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:37 AM (GGCsk)
Answer to your question: To some, I suppose.
I don't mean to be a broken record, but only one set of people gets a pass for murdering tasteless and provocative individuals.
Until that salient point is addressed honestly and openly, nothing will change.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 13, 2015 09:39 AM (fwARV)
Wait till they find out that Middle Eastern Muslims are racist as well. They may be all jihadis together for a while but then they turn on the blacks.
Posted by: Decaf at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (ddNoU)
Posted by: Moki at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (bAB8f)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (GGCsk)
That explains that use-Gabe-as-proxy bit a while back. Well that and getting Gabe to deliver a trashing on himself. Seriously, that one's never getting old.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (DT3rQ)
...wipes a tear.
....please sir, may I have another? "No you louse, you've lost more than your fair share!"
...who decides what is fair, and what isn't?
"The Decider."
...perhaps if I...
"Silence!!!"
...yes master.
....quietly goes about reloading another hundred rounds of 30-06.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (ljIUb)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: tsj017 at January 13, 2015 09:37 AM (iq/wR)
Of course, the prophet Ace (FBUH) once banned himself.
I don't think Mohammad ever issued a fatwa on himself.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (zF6Iw)
You are confused about what freedom means.
Stop being afraid and angry.
Laugh at the people who insult you.
Posted by: eman at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (MQEz6)
You may be the only one even posting there, so yeah, probably.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 13, 2015 09:40 AM (DT3rQ)
What's the Style Book say on Every Thread is a Gun Thread ? 200 posts ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2015 09:37 AM (8bA1i)
250
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:41 AM (0FSuD)
Ayaan Hirsi Ali recently made the point (in her WSJ editorial on the Hebdo attacks) that western culture needs to become louder and prouder; we need to aggressively inculcate our culture into our young people, or we will lose our rights and freedoms. Fight the propagandists, make Democrats turn away from the Progressive disease and train young people to be good citizens.
Posted by: MTF at January 13, 2015 09:41 AM (6um35)
That's not reporting, that's storytelling with an established narrative,
Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2015 09:42 AM (ABcz/)
The cleric is part of a supposedly moderate Sunni council that opposes terrorism (except for when the victims are non-Muslims).
Weasel Zippers
Bet no progressive MSM reporter will pick up on this
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2015 09:42 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 09:42 AM (PkjzS)
That said I think we have made progress in countering the Leftist media with Fox, talk radio and the Internet but it has been but a first step of a long journey.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 13, 2015 09:42 AM (3jmxp)
What's the Style Book say on Every Thread is a Gun Thread ? 200 posts ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 13, 2015 09:37 AM (8bA1i)
250
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:41 AM (0FSuD)
Hey, I was helping out an 'ette. Consider it a mitzvah.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:42 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: toby928(C) has a list a mile long at January 13, 2015 09:43 AM (evdj2)
No. White people not involved what the rioters jailed and punished not celebrated as heroes. There's your difference.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 13, 2015 09:44 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:42 AM (2Ojst)
OK, but if The Prophet Ace hears about this, I am not taking responsibility.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:44 AM (0FSuD)
Murdered? No, of course not.
More responsible and sensitive to the fact their writing has real-world impacts- yes.
So much tasteless, purposeless nonsense and propaganda is performed under the guise of "freedom of the press", which is not some ethereal phrase without real meaning and shape.
I see that abuse as a transgression that diminishes the real meaning- and today's journalists don't give a fig.
A lot of it is to garner attention or continue supporting an often baseless, fact-less point of view. It happens in the US every day on a regular basis by an irresponsible media.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:45 AM (GGCsk)
The first Drift Compatible podcast featuring BCochran1981 and yours truly is up.
http://bit.ly/1DTXVsd
Click on the January 12, 2015 link to open the player.
Warnings: autoplay (I know, I know) and it's me so naturally there are the swears.
So if you've ever wanted to hear me say fucking RINOs, here's your chance.
*nudges Horde* Go. Listen. Enjoy.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:45 AM (mf5HN)
AtC and I had been kicking around an idea for a while and we decided to go ahead with it.
So, over at marginallyhonorablechairman.wordpress.com you will find a link to the first ever podcast with AtC and I.
If you decide to give it a listen, first, thanks, and then a couple warnings: the podcast autoplays. Language. The recording software, for some reason, split the audio into L and R, so you'll need to listen via speakers or through both headphones.
End attention whoring.
Continue about your business.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 13, 2015 09:45 AM (da5Wo)
seems to have only concern for the journalists and while i also have concern for journalists deaths or any non combatant , i notice the lack of concern for jews murders happening by msm.
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2015 09:46 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: toby928(C) has a list a mile long at January 13, 2015 09:43 AM (evdj2)
Word. And the integral folding bayonet is just plain fun.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:46 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 13, 2015 09:46 AM (da5Wo)
Glad to read you.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (wvEfm)
I don't often. There are not many commenters making much sense their.
I guess my comments should be less logical and have more pathos than fact.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (GGCsk)
if speech were pleasant to all no need to protect it.
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:31 AM (GGCs
Responsible journalism went away in this country with FDR. It got even worse after NYT vs Sullivan when they made them virtually invulnerable to civil suit for libel.
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (XzRw1)
No conservative racism exists.
////////
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (PkjzS)
She sounds....short.
And you sound like you are painted blue.....
Posted by: Je Suis Charlie Martel (CBD) at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 13, 2015 09:48 AM (voWn9)
You guys talking about the M-44, again?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2015 09:48 AM (wvEfm)
If that's about the most recent massacre of approx 2000 in Nigeria, cbs actually gave it some tv time this am between 5:30 and 6:00 est.
About a whole 10, maybe even 15 seconds worth.
Posted by: teej-just going through the motions at January 13, 2015 09:48 AM (gy1ev)
And you sound like you are painted blue.....
Posted by: Je Suis Charlie Martel (CBD) at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (Zu3d9)
I was sober, so no blue paint.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 13, 2015 09:48 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2015 09:47 AM (wlDny)
Woodrow Wilson was pretty bad as well, IIRC.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:48 AM (2Ojst)
Who will decide what is responsible reporting and opinionating and what is not?
You?
Your pals?
Posted by: eman at January 13, 2015 09:48 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: toby928(C) has a list a mile long at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 13, 2015 09:46 AM (da5Wo)
*drift compatible fist bump*
Since BC mysteriously left this part out, yes, the audio is split.
I am in the right.
Just. You know. Pointing that out.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (mf5HN)
You guys talking about the M-44, again?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2015 09:48 AM (wvEfm)
SKS
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Timon at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (1aUjs)
You deny that white students did not riot over OSU's win? Look at the video, plenty of whites. But its OK to conservatives.
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (PkjzS)
Settle down you guys, it was tangential to the conversation. The press wouldn't want us talking about guns or church or anything so remotely "American." So I am doing my part to rile them up.
Posted by: Moki at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (bAB8f)
We must ridicule them and laugh at them at every turn, turn the tables on them. They must not be afforded any dignity.
Posted by: Decaf at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (ddNoU)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (wvEfm)
We have never had responsible journalism. Rather it was just not as bad as it is today except maybe for the Yellow journalism period.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (3jmxp)
Is that mean?
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (5yHi1)
Posted by: eman at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (fxdyE)
I am in the right.
Just. You know. Pointing that out.
And at 22:15 you can hear her boobs jiggle.
A lot.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2015 09:51 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: MJ at January 13, 2015 09:51 AM (ksj3z)
off topic
i wake up this a.m and notice my grandson had written some of his muliplication problems on my tabletop in black marker. (light cream dinner table)
i asked why, oh why!?
because i need them there to remember, i'm having problems with times 9.
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2015 09:51 AM (nqBYe)
You have to admit, last night proved that a playoff system is better than the bsc system. I hope they expand the playoffs.
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 09:51 AM (PkjzS)
the whole point of freedom of speech is just this type of thing.
if speech were pleasant to all no need to protect it.<<
Freedom of speech is not a concept akin to "say anything you want". It is mostly about the ability to speak the truth, unabated.
Should it be protected, even if offensive? Sure.
Does that mean it serve a purpose and has some deeper meaning? No.
Repetitive insults that are tasteless under the guise of "freedom of the press". are still tasteless.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:51 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 13, 2015 09:52 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:52 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: MJ at January 13, 2015 09:51 AM (ksj3z)
You're dumb.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 13, 2015 09:52 AM (da5Wo)
I am in the right.
Just. You know. Pointing that out.
And at 22:15 you can hear her boobs jiggle.
A lot.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (JtwS4)
Pics or it didn't happen...
Posted by: Timon at January 13, 2015 09:52 AM (1aUjs)
They just hate life.
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 09:52 AM (PkjzS)
Posted by: Insomniac
US with a hat tip to Germany.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2015 09:52 AM (JP4JT)
>>if speech were pleasant to all no need to protect it.
Willow says it all in two short sentences.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2015 09:52 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: MJ at January 13, 2015 09:51 AM (ksj3z)
Your face is dumb.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:53 AM (2Ojst)
Wasn't D-Lamps idea of press treatment violent?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 13, 2015 09:00 AM (F2IAQ)
No, not really. He mainly pointed out that there need to be consequences for their treasonous behavior. Some of those consequences may not be pretty.
Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2015 09:53 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2015 09:53 AM (2cS/G)
*nudges Horde* Go. Listen. Enjoy.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:45 AM
And here I am with no audio. Fuck.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 13, 2015 09:53 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 13, 2015 09:15 AM (mf5HN)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I would just like to make the observation that the MSM is absolutely fearful of being killed because they've come to realize the Won is not going to defend them; here, or abroad.
The rest of us have the wherewithal to understand and adhere to the principles behind the second amendment.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 13, 2015 09:53 AM (60Vyp)
A blatant example today in all coverage of "Pegida" (Western Civ. loyalists) marches across Germany Monday eve. Growing turnout for Pegida and lots of photos of large Pegida marches.
But the headlines? "Counter protests dwarf German anti-Islamisation rallies" and "25,000 attend German anti-Islam march, but counter-protests bigger" Every headline a variation of "But...Counter Protests Bigger!!!"
Piqued, I searched for images of the massive counter-protests across Germany. There are none. Closest was a photo of small group holding flag and placard on which the letters "BUSH" were scrawled...
They're just making stuff up. Knowing their LIVs scan the headlines and 1st paragraph.
Ace and us morons get it- it's the media. They are the enemy within.
Vim Toot!
Posted by: Mica Vim Toot at January 13, 2015 09:54 AM (A7Pws)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 09:52 AM (zF6Iw)
The link doesn't expire, so feel free to go back whenever you like.
Also, for those so inclined, you can download the podcast.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 13, 2015 09:54 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 13, 2015 08:56 AM (zF6Iw)
I cannot disagree.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at January 13, 2015 09:54 AM (mru3R)
The burning of the town in Africa happened almost a week ago, not a word about it. CBS would be the first news group in the US to mention it as far as I know.
BBC had a story last week. NY Slime? Nothing.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:54 AM (0FSuD)
<<
At some point everyone decides what is responsible by agreeing, disagreeing or criticizing. Or not reading at all- which is what most do.
None of us get to "dictate" the constraints. Those are self imposed. As is "responsibility".
Posted by: Marcus T at January 13, 2015 09:55 AM (GGCsk)
Settle down you guys, it was tangential to the conversation. The press wouldn't want us talking about guns or church or anything so remotely "American." So I am doing my part to rile them up.
Posted by: Moki at January 13, 2015 09:49 AM (bAB8f)
Any time!
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:55 AM (2Ojst)
Before the 1960s and its explosion of formless and flaccid thought in our universities, the press had its apologists for and supporters of Marxism. But they were for the most part actively controlled by the Soviet UNion or its proxies, and they were aware of their own participation.
Today we have a large number of fellow travelers in the MSM who are being easily manipulated, but are too dumb to know it.
Posted by: Je Suis Charlie Martel (CBD) at January 13, 2015 09:55 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 13, 2015 09:55 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2015 09:55 AM (nqBYe)
Is that a form of weasel?
*Ducks*
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (wvEfm)
You're a much easier target all balled up on the ground like that.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:56 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 13, 2015 09:48 AM (2Ojst)
Yes he was but I don't blame the journalists for that. They didn't volunteer to be jailed. The same goes for all the journalists jailed by Lincoln.
But FDR had them in lock step with his socialist policies.
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2015 09:56 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: eman at January 13, 2015 09:56 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2015 09:56 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 13, 2015 09:56 AM (ljIUb)
There is no burning times race war coming. Seriously people get with reality. You only have one life to live. Being miserable and paranoid is no way to live through lif.
Cheer up guys/gals.
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 09:57 AM (PkjzS)
Black? Nah, so they ARE racist.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 13, 2015 09:57 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: madamex at January 13, 2015 09:57 AM (1zsKV)
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2015 09:58 AM (nqBYe)
This is sort of related. From what I've seen of Charlie Hebdo cartoons they're mostly puerile and not that funny, but they shock.
And I commend the Prophet Ace (FBUH) for admitting that he didn't get it last night.
So, I like to mine the arcana of my childhood for things that will appeal to my children. They're big Patti Smith and Bowie fans now, for instance.
When I found a couple of my 70s era National Lampoons I thought, "great, I'm going to share these with the boys". Then I read them. Way more vile than I remember. Stuff I didn't actually want to show my boys.
OTOH, I also remember how absolutely thrilling it was as a 14 year old to find out that this sort of thing exists in the world. That it can happen. That the world is a place where poor taste does not have to mean forbidden.
So, I'm personally slotting Charlie Hebdo in the 70s National Lampoon slot and giving it the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 13, 2015 09:58 AM (JtwS4)
Nepotism is rife in the media and the non-related outsiders have to compete with the aristocrats for the few crumbs yet they all turn on the people (us) as one. They can all go to hell.
Posted by: Decaf at January 13, 2015 09:58 AM (ddNoU)
Thirdly, if you defend all of the offices of all of the potential targets, then the attack simply takes place at some location other than the office; at home, for example, or on the family of the target rather than the target personally.
Forthrightly, the media is in a tizzy, because it was media people killed. It has been media people in in the middle east being beheaded. The media tries to ignore those battlefield beheadings because they thought if they stayed away from the battle, stayed off the battle field they would be save. Now it's personal. Now it's media people in their own offices and in their own homes, and in their own shopping malls, and in their own neighborhoods.
If all you play is defense, you lose whether it's basketball, soccer, football, tennis, war of propaganda, or bullets, bombs, tanks, missiles, and petrol bombs.
The Pen is not mightier than the AK47 when the person wielding the pen is unarmed, undefended, unaware, and delusional.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 13, 2015 09:59 AM (voWn9)
Posted by: Timon at January 13, 2015 09:59 AM (1aUjs)
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2015 09:59 AM (nqBYe)
was just not as bad as it is today except maybe for the Yellow
journalism period.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 13, 2015 09:50 AM (3jmxp)
As I said earlier, in the early days they were partisan too, but different newspapers covered different side. But actual news events were covered pretty fairly.
Today nearly every major newspaper and most of the small town newspapers are Democrat partisans AND NO newspaper that I have found is actually conservative.
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2015 09:59 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2015 10:00 AM (Zmw74)
>>And that's why a lot of them have a deer-in-the-headlights look on their collective faces.
This is very well put and makes sense, but I was puzzled why it seemed to describe the Administration so perfectly.
But then I realized that the main purpose of the Administration is P.R., which has also become the main purpose of the MSM.
Synergy!
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 13, 2015 10:01 AM (0xTsz)
Bandersnatch, you are a liar. I went to 22:15 and heard no boobs at all. You owe the horde some boobs jiggling.
I heard them. And I saw them in my mind's eye, gamboling about like young fawns in clover....
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 13, 2015 10:02 AM (JtwS4)
They set some cars on fire. But they are white, so that is OK with conservatives.
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 10:02 AM (PkjzS)
The ur-blogger. The man who taught Morons to be Morons. I know his contributions will be few, but I also know that each one will be meaty.
Posted by: Captain Ned at January 13, 2015 10:02 AM (WI6nT)
Posted by: teej-just going through the motions at January 13, 2015 10:03 AM (gy1ev)
I work for a newspaper (paginator/copy editor -- used to be the other way around, dammit), and these days I just get so furious at the AP's bias in the political/government/world affairs spheres. I'd prefer not to run those stories, but I've got to fill the paper. God knows how furious I'd be if I ever watched network news.
Now, let's be fair -- there's still good reporting out there. It just seems to be mostly on local stories.
But even back in the "glory days" of WWII, there must have been some "we're the referees and above it all" attitude. Milton Caniff did a "Terry and the Pirates" sequence in which a magazine reporter was sneering at the troops -- until he was in a plane that the enemy attacked. He wound up taking a machine gun and realizing what the war was all about. He got kicked out of the theater for breaking the press agreement, but he left with pride.
I just don't see how Caniff could have dreamed up with that story unless that attitude was present in some reporters. They all couldn't have been Ernie Pyle.
I'm trying to get out of the business. And when I finally do (please God), I'll never again read another AP story that doesn't involve a breaking news event -- and possibly not all of those.
Posted by: Weak Geek at January 13, 2015 10:03 AM (K7u45)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 13, 2015 10:08 AM (0xTsz)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at January 13, 2015 10:09 AM (fxdyE)
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 09:57 AM (PkjzS)
You are very wise. Too wise for us Internet cretins. We are blessed with your presence. I can only hope the others will heed your gracious words. Have mercy on us if we come up short of your standards. I can assure you, we type out our angry missives through veils of tears. We thought no one would notice, but you did.
Posted by: CJ at January 13, 2015 10:22 AM (9KqcB)
Just because you say you support this or that, and you are not really an action-oriented person, does not mean that if your ship goes down, you will be magically plucked to safety. I have always warned that just because you support the oppressed does not mean you are exempt from becoming so. Boom. The axes are falling, left, right and center.
Posted by: DefendUSA at January 13, 2015 10:43 AM (nAHMK)
Of course not Mary. We know you're more of the Helen Thomas type.
Posted by: Weirddave at January 13, 2015 10:47 AM (KAmzK)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 13, 2015 10:49 AM (DkXQB)
This is THE BEST THING I have read yet on all of this.
OF COURSE our media are not neutral. And they are not cowards either - they really mean it when they say they won't run these Charlie Hebdo cartoons because they think the cartoons are offensive to their Muslim readers/viewers. They're not afriad of being killed, they are pretentious progressive assholes who are trying to be "sensitive" and "thoughtful" and "not be provocative for the sake of being provocative." How can they run these cartoons, and then two weeks from now denounce Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh for something "insensitive" they might have said about rape, or black criminals being shot by police, or whatever the Lefty cause celebre of the day is? They have to keep that Sensitivity Card in their pocket to use against conservatives they don't like.
Also they are in DEEP DENIAL about islam, both in the US and around the world. They are desperate to keep up this fiction that there is some vast universe of peaceful, moral, anti-capitalist muslims who are really really really wonderful people but do get upset when they see "blasphemy" of their "prophet." Their delicate sensitivities are Too Important to be Offended just for a Dumb Principle of "freedom of speech" that anyway is something dreamed up by the Patriarchy of dead white guys who founded the USA and the French Republic.
Posted by: rockmom at January 13, 2015 11:09 AM (NYnoe)
I see the progs have a new line they will use endlessly to show their leftist credentials. They noticed how annoying this was to conservatives so they have doubled down on it. We'll be hearing this a lot more in the coming days.
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at January 13, 2015 09:16 AM (1BQGO)
I propose we start using "The Prophet Reagan."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 13, 2015 11:12 AM (oKE6c)
And yet Obama, given the opportunity in Paris to do exactly that, watched football instead. The Obama America voted for, the Obama the Press hailed as the Lightbringer, the Obama he claimed to be, doesn't exist.
Who is Obama? If he's not doing what he's done for social justice, for human rights, what is he doing it for? For the money? For the power? For his own ego?
Posted by: Socratease at January 13, 2015 11:15 AM (2GbWn)
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Posted by: despair at January 13, 2015 11:23 AM (dcY7v)
The world is a poorer place with fewer den Beste essays.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 13, 2015 03:31 PM (PD6iL)
-- Islam means peace!
-- These extremists aren't really Muslims!
-- Everybody in the world just wants what I--good leftist that I am--want: pilates three times a week, wine club once a month, a Prius in the garage, "membership" with NPR, and a swanky downtown faux loft.
-- If you say that "the other" might actually want something different, then you're just being RACIST!!!
This is what makes al-Sisi's speech so important. He didn't say these people aren't really Muslims; he said that yes, they are reading the texts correctly, but Muslims need to find a way to move the religion beyond mindless textualism. He did what neither Obama nor Bush, nor any in the western mainstream media, ever did: recognized that the violence perpetuated in the Muslim world against anyone non-Muslim is rooted deep in the texts of Islam.
The media will never look at those texts honestly; they will never look at how they are interpreted by the majority of Muslims; they will never be honest even with themselves over what is in the Koran. They'd rather (pun intended) stick their fingers in their ears and hum.
Posted by: Ann in L.A. at January 13, 2015 03:31 PM (OJKg3)
@231
They set some cars on fire. But they are white, so that is OK with conservatives.
Posted by: Congrats to OSU at January 13, 2015 10:02 AM (PkjzS)
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Posted by: Scott Crawford at January 13, 2015 05:01 PM (gv/Zb)
Steven Den Beste: extremely well done, as usual. USS Clueless was arguably the best blog of all times. I remember reading why you quit and thinking I was amazed that you hung in posting as long as you did.
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