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Morning Thread (1-6-2015)
Prediction: We'll be irritated at Speaker Boehner a lot in the next two years.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: ZombieDachshund at January 06, 2015 07:03 AM (Na7G9)
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:04 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: ZombieDachshund at January 06, 2015 07:04 AM (Na7G9)
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:05 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:06 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Taqyia2Me at January 06, 2015 07:06 AM (PiGvm)
Pro tip: NEVER read the thread from the bottom up.
633 Hey tsrblke, you're committed now. Just
hang in there. Keep us updated and best of luck
and God's help for you and the better half and
you bambino!
629 Hold called at 1:21. That means a scrub for
the day, since the launch window was
instantaneous.
Seriously though, tsrblke, prayers and best wishes to you the Mrs., and the new baby!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:08 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 06, 2015 07:09 AM (60Vyp)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 06, 2015 07:09 AM (DoX/w)
Drudge's headline of constituents jamming the phone lines gave me a glimmer of hope.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2015 07:09 AM (rldyO)
DAY 791
672 to go (745 to Inauguration Day 2017)
Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Mugwumps, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microagressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:09 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:10 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 06, 2015 07:10 AM (DoX/w)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:10 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:10 AM (MYPM9)
At the very least, I hope Boehner loses. He is a detestable prick. Everything he says and does is a lie and he is helping the left take down the country.
Fuck him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:11 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 06, 2015 07:12 AM (DoX/w)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:12 AM (C10Bt)
It is my sincerest hopes that sane conservatives send that orange skinned, weepy, drunk asshole to the back bench.
Posted by: Gmac - Still pondering something... at January 06, 2015 07:12 AM (4pjhs)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2015 07:13 AM (rldyO)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:13 AM (MYPM9)
Snowmageddon, no voting will take place today.
J.J. got out of Wisconsin just in time. -3 degrees.
F that insane crap.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:13 AM (C10Bt)
What am I missing? Why is boehner supported?
Posted by: Ruth at January 06, 2015 07:14 AM (XDMAg)
Besides, I thought the comment at 629 was regarding the Space X event.
Oh well, this just emphasizes the need for another cup of coffee and bailey's.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 06, 2015 07:14 AM (60Vyp)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2015 07:14 AM (rldyO)
It is my sincerest hopes that sane conservatives send that orange skinned, weepy, drunk asshole to the back bench.
Posted by: Gmac - Still pondering something... at January 06, 2015 07:12 AM (4pjhs)
That is only the first step. The entire GOP must either be taken back or taken down. And without all that filthy lobbyist lucre that they have, it will be, as Rocco Lampone said, "difficult, but not impossible."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:14 AM (CMkNk)
We have come a long way from the days when the oath of office (you know, that "defend the Constitution" stuff) actually had meaning. Now, it's all feathering one's own nest with pork and sucking the toes of your 535 BFFs.
Boner and Teh Bitch: paving the way for President Jebbie. IT'S THEIR TURN!!11!!
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 06, 2015 07:14 AM (yAC3X)
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:04 AM (JdEZJ)
..............
Ha! You're right, they are gone. Thank God because that one was really freaking me out. Now Its replaced with some Navejo secret to fixing hearing loss or something like that.
Posted by: Molly k. at January 06, 2015 07:15 AM (AtrAG)
They seem to be getting the ball rolling with a meh Jobs bill and the Keystone pipeline.
Let's see if the new senate lards this up with pork so King Putt signs it.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 06, 2015 07:15 AM (gcTzl)
F that insane crap."
Everyone should be out of Wisconsin by around Memorial Day. Weather could turn cold at any time after that.
But yeh....J.J., glad to hear that you got out in time, and safely.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 06, 2015 07:16 AM (DoX/w)
It was minus 11 yesterday morning and snow was on the way for O'Hare. Our original flight on Delta was cancelled but the put us on another that left an hour later. Sweating bullets that that would be cancelled as well, but we got on. Surprisingly, only 18 passengers on the whole flight and we had a 100mph tail wind. And, most importantly, free wine and beer!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:16 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Bob Dole's four hour woody at January 06, 2015 07:16 AM (ZrLvl)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 06, 2015 07:17 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:18 AM (MYPM9)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:18 AM (CMkNk)
Today is the birthday of Loretta Young:
http://goo.gl/35H98j
In her later years, she became a devout Catholic, much to the irritation of her fellow stars, who remembered her affair with Clark Gable and the resultant child, whom she never acknowledged as hers.
Joan Crawford, in particular, disliked what she saw as Young's phony piety, and made no bones about it. At a party once, she stopped a guest from sitting down, crying "Loretta Young just got up from that chair. The sign of the cross is still on the seat!"
Young also, during the run of her The Loretta Young Show, made use of a "swear jar," donating the proceeds to various charities. At one rehearsal, guest Robert Mitchum blew his lines and muttered a mild "shit," only to find Young at his elbow, shaking the jar and expecting fifty cents.
Mitchum dug into his wallet, pulled out a twenty and stuffed it into the jar, growling "Go fuck yourself, Loretta."
Here's Young in 1940s He Stayed for Breakfast. And wouldn't you?
http://goo.gl/cB4RyH
Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 07:18 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:19 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:18 AM (MYPM9)
Maybe that freak from the ONT can loan him one of his penises.
Levin blasted Tepid Air last night because they said the Boehner vote was meaningless.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:20 AM (CMkNk)
I chose to come in and take an in-house leave day.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 07:20 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Headache Medicine Manufacturers Assn at January 06, 2015 07:21 AM (wy4/l)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:22 AM (MYPM9)
Posted by: hadoop at January 06, 2015 07:23 AM (2X7pN)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:20 AM (CMkNk)
Yeah, that HA article could have been written by Gabe, it was so snarky and dismissive of we rubes in flyover land.
And welcome back, J.J. Happy new year!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 07:24 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:18 AM (MYPM9)
When he takes Viagra does he get taller?
Posted by: Tmitsss at January 06, 2015 07:24 AM (Pa9vP)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:25 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at January 06, 2015 07:25 AM (bUmSq)
Posted by: killerdog at January 06, 2015 07:26 AM (ZrLvl)
Ha Ha California. You can't have any carbon. Have all of the Mexicans you want though.
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:26 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:26 AM (MYPM9)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:20 AM
Hate to disagree with Angry Kermit the Frog, but the chickenshit GOPe-ers over at TA are right. It will be meaningless, which for teh Corpulent Captain, Allahpander and the overheated denizens of the Groan Room is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
You cannot spend your time playing the Game of Politics and tittering at the more trivial missteps of the Other Party and then suddenly become a patriotic crusader. It just doesn't scan....
If Republican Reps had consistently been urged to grow a pair, it might be different. But Pillsbury Doughboy and Company would never be a part of that.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 06, 2015 07:26 AM (yAC3X)
Posted by: freaked
New micro-targeting.
If you no longer see the ads, you're cured!
--Dr. Vinny Boo-bah!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:27 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:27 AM (MYPM9)
Gohmert said no one realizes just how close we are this time. Hope he's right...
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2015 07:27 AM (rldyO)
In better news, my payroll issues have been resolved. Now they can fix the nine billion other things they screwed up when they changed systems. Like my boss not having access to any of our timecards but being able to access and see his boss's pay. Whoopsie!
Posted by: DangerGirl at January 06, 2015 07:28 AM (2El4P)
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at January 06, 2015 07:28 AM (IrByp)
Posted by: MTF at January 06, 2015 07:28 AM (wy4/l)
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at January 06, 2015 07:28 AM (eDZbN)
Posted by: Gmac - Still pondering something... at January 06, 2015 07:28 AM (4pjhs)
Haven't seen them. Maybe this Sunday nights's ONT?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:29 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:29 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:29 AM (MYPM9)
Happy new year, oh grumpy one (I say that with love in my heart).
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:30 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at January 06, 2015 07:28 AM (eDZbN)
I think that's intentional.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:31 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at January 06, 2015 07:28 AM (IrByp)
I fucking hope not.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 07:31 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: alexthechick
Shit. I did that when the alarm went off.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:32 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at January 06, 2015 07:28 AM (IrByp)
I fucking hope not.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 07:31 AM (zF6Iw)
Did you shove $20 bucks in her kitty?
(boy does that sound interesting)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:32 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Al Swearengen at January 06, 2015 07:32 AM (vn2RY)
If you no longer see the ads, you're cured!"
-- looks down ---
That ain't no "micro-target".
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:32 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 07:33 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: alexthechick
Why set your New Year goal so low?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 06, 2015 07:33 AM (MYPM9)
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:32 AM (JdEZJ)
Depends on your point of view.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 06, 2015 07:33 AM (zF6Iw)
When were his knob slobbering skills determined to be inept?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 06, 2015 07:34 AM (DoX/w)
If your swearing lasts more than 4 hours consult a liquor store.
Posted by: freaked at January 06, 2015 07:34 AM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 07:35 AM (9BRsg)
Having been born and raised in Brooklyn, the issue is not how often I will swear, but how long I can without swearing.
Reminds me of a Jimmy Durante bit: "My wife has a slight speech impediment. Every few seconds she stops to breathe."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:35 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: US Representative at January 06, 2015 07:37 AM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 07:35 AM (9BRsg)
Some douchenozzle DC talking head called it "unprofessional." WTF?
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 06, 2015 07:37 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Loren Bobbitt at January 06, 2015 07:37 AM (ZrLvl)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:30 AM
Right back atcha! Even if you do live in NYC....
I actually made a resolution to pay less attention to political stuff this year, as I thought it would make my cardiologist happy. Lasted all of about, oh, six hours.
I'd need for both teh Intarwebz and teevee to crash for that to happen.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 06, 2015 07:37 AM (yAC3X)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 07:37 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Al Swearengen at January 06, 2015 07:38 AM (vn2RY)
Posted by: JustTim at January 06, 2015 07:38 AM (xD5h5)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 07:39 AM (zF6Iw)
When were his knob slobbering skills determined to be inept?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
I heard his dentures keep getting in the way.
Posted by: Al Swearengen at January 06, 2015 07:40 AM (vn2RY)
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 06, 2015 07:37 AM (yAC3X)
Yup. I'm now on a second pressure med. But I'm addicted to this insanity.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:40 AM (CMkNk)
You sure that's not 'gay marriage reached around today'?
Posted by: RickZ at January 06, 2015 07:40 AM (F3Kzj)
Posted by: US Representative at January 06, 2015 07:40 AM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 07:40 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 07:40 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 07:42 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Case at January 06, 2015 07:42 AM (9mWut)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 07:43 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at January 06, 2015 07:43 AM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 06, 2015 07:45 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at January 06, 2015 07:47 AM (MYPM9)
Today is also the birthday of silent actress Phyllis Haver. She auditioned at the Keystone studio on a whim and was hired as one of Mack Sennett's "Bathing Beauties:
http://goo.gl/lh3soS
In 1927, she played the part of Roxie Hart in the first movie adaptation of Chicago:
http://goo.gl/trQGr6
In 1929, she married a millionare and retired from the screen. The couple divorced in 1945. In 1960, a reclusive Haver died of an overdose of barbituates.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 07:47 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: AltonJackson at January 06, 2015 07:48 AM (4gN5w)
A number of Dems are going to Cuomo's funeral/memorial/pep rally, so that increases the number of votes that will be needed. The vote requirements are based on the number of people who are present and voting.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 06, 2015 07:50 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Winter Drivers Everywhere at January 06, 2015 07:50 AM (wy4/l)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 06, 2015 07:45 AM (3jmxp)
I understand that conservatives dislike winning sweeping victories in the midterms (twice) only to be represented (via the Speaker) by a liberal Republican. I understand why that makes people angry. Hell, it makes ME angry.
What I don't get is the willingness to burn it all down (and I'll admit to going back and forth with this) because of the squishes continuing to be squishes.
It's also human nature to cling to power, which is why I understand the liberal Republicans doing everything THEY can to stay on top.
Conservatives will either garner the votes in Congress or they won't. From where I'm sitting - in the Chair of Absolutely No Consequence - the people have asked for more conservative governance. We'll see if our representatives actually listen this time.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 07:50 AM (fwARV)
Amazing how Liberal Icons die just at the strategic moment, innit?
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 06, 2015 07:52 AM (yAC3X)
Over / under on some speaker leading the "mourners" in a chant of "Black Lives Matter?"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 07:54 AM (zF6Iw)
auditioned at the Keystone studio on a whim and was hired as one of Mack
Sennett's "Bathing Beauties:
Wow, a fellow Kansan with some nice gams.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at January 06, 2015 07:54 AM (T9BFc)
Boehner's "on our side"? That's news to me. With "friends" like him, who needs enemies? When he wanted CRomnibus passed, he went to Pelosi and Reid for the votes. That's all we need to know about him
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2015 07:54 AM (rldyO)
Posted by: The Humpty at January 06, 2015 07:56 AM (LRXOq)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:56 AM (CMkNk)
http://tinyurl.com/h3aws
Posted by: Samuel Adams at January 06, 2015 07:58 AM (T9BFc)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 06, 2015 07:58 AM (CMkNk)
tsrblke is a daddy I read? Congratulations! I assume I'll find out the details as we roll along - sex, name, weight, number of fonts and toes (I remember counting....)
Now, on to reading y'all's comments.
Posted by: mindful webworker - sleepy at January 06, 2015 07:59 AM (EAA/O)
Posted by: RWC at January 06, 2015 07:59 AM (quzbZ)
Say what you want about Gingrich but at least he was an honest to goodness oppositional leader.
Unlike the current crop of miewling quims led by orange crush and no neck McConnel.
Never trust an alcoholic with an affinity for tanning and any man who has no discernible neck.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 06, 2015 08:00 AM (gcTzl)
Posted by: mindful webworker - sleepyheaded at January 06, 2015 08:00 AM (EAA/O)
http://is.gd/9RIcGG
Posted by: toby928(C) is keeping a list at January 06, 2015 08:02 AM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 08:03 AM (zF6Iw)
This is when we find out that our political betters have no spines.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 08:04 AM (A98Xu)
Business Insider has an article as follows:
This Rapidly Expanding Grocery Chain Is Shockingly Cheaper Than Wal-Mart
http://tinyurl.com/py83uap
They're talking about.....Aldi.
I don't know what's in the neighboorhood of BI's Ivory Tower, but here in the hinterland we've had Aldi for 20+ years.
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 08:05 AM (MMC8r)
eloquent.
Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 06, 2015 08:05 AM (hxpNo)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:05 AM (3ZtZW)
The irony, it burns Kreplach.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 08:07 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Kreplach at January 06, 2015 08:00 AM
Yeah, and apparently Teh Noot is in favor of keeping Boner in the "leader"-ship position.
Amazing how squishes squish together!
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 06, 2015 08:08 AM (yAC3X)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 08:08 AM (9BRsg)
They do trolley rides through the countryside as well, so when summer hits we're doing that, I think. Maybe a Father's Day present to myself.
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:09 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at January 06, 2015 08:10 AM (bwqlT)
Now it's out into the frozen tundra. I don't want to go but unfortunately I have not figured out how to make a living from home.
JJ Sefton, I'm glad the cheeseheads treated you right. Yep, you got out of here at exactly the right time. Well, at least Dec. wasn't too bad. Last year we were getting this weather before Christmas.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 06, 2015 08:10 AM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Kreplach at January 06, 2015 08:11 AM (gcTzl)
Posted by: Jeffrey Carter (@pointsnfigures) at January 06, 2015 08:11 AM (LnE5F)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 06, 2015 08:11 AM (e9rxX)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:12 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 08:12 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 08:12 AM (9BRsg)
The ONLY "Republican" president Boehner and Mitchie are interested in helping is Jebbie. Anyone else will get jacksquat from them. They are OWNED by the amnesty-loving Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2015 08:14 AM (rldyO)
I see you like your RINO leadership to have spines of Jell-O.
Orange Weepy gave away a great bargaining position with the Crumbnibus Bill, funding government through the fall.
When I read a comment like yours, I'm ready for a third party now, damn the consequences.
Posted by: RickZ at January 06, 2015 08:14 AM (F3Kzj)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2015 08:15 AM (rldyO)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 08:12 AM
Remember also that the members of said "party" have allowed themselves to be lied to, over and over.
Therefore, it's no wonder that they will mill around, making "baaa" noises and shitting pellets, to vote for Cheeto Boy once again.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 06, 2015 08:16 AM (yAC3X)
Depressing base voter turnout by flipping the bird to them after we gave tem both houses is not the recipe for winning the WH in 2016.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 08:16 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune
And if it was just a game, it'd be one thing. But it's NOT a game. It's our lives. The FF would be shooting by now. Or, at the very least, tarred, feathered, or strung up some people for the lying, duplicity, and back-stabbing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 08:16 AM (C10Bt)
?
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 08:17 AM (MMC8r)
Boehner's "on our side"? That's news to me. With "friends" like him, who needs enemies? When he wanted CRomnibus passed, he went to Pelosi and Reid for the votes. That's all we need to know about him
-------
This!
Posted by: Chilling the most at January 06, 2015 08:17 AM (wWs6x)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2015 08:15 AM (rldyO)
He also toked up and served a brief jail term for it. Definite AoS Lifestyle man.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 08:18 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 06, 2015 08:18 AM (XzRw1)
I was listening to the lame-brained Fred Barnes on the radio on the way to work. He was speculating on the type of 'legacy' Obama would pursue and, while it would behoove him to be more bipartisan to get 'things done', Fred said he's much more likely to want to be the President for the progressives and go down as a purist who never caved.
Thus, he'll likely be attempting to set the public's mind towards the Dems and progs such that the next Dem will have the table set or, barring that, the next GOP Prez will be a fellow-traveller.
It's a fair bet. To my mind its a waste of time and energy, but whatevs.
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:19 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts etc. at January 06, 2015 08:20 AM (yxw0r)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 06, 2015 08:21 AM (DXzRD)
Congrats on the new mini-moron. Babies are the best things ever.
Morning, Morons. Hooray. Time to scroll back and see what Mrs.Trsblke whelped.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 08:22 AM (JtwS4)
I think that some folks are jumping the gun,
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 08:22 AM (aLfY1)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 06, 2015 08:24 AM (DXzRD)
You morons are giving babies guns??! WTF is the matter with you?!
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:25 AM (3ZtZW)
If sitcoms have taught me anything, from the start of labor to delivery is less than twenty minutes.
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 08:25 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2015 08:26 AM (g1DWB)
tsrblke is a daddy I read? Congratulations! I assume I'll find out the details as we roll along - sex, name, weight, number of fonts and toes
New contest!
I'll take Times Roman 12 pt.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 08:27 AM (JtwS4)
http://tinyurl.com/okvwpek
Two plain clothes officers responding to a robbery call. I don't know if it was a set up or a legit call that just went bad.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 06, 2015 08:28 AM (M6Vhk)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 06, 2015 08:28 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 08:29 AM (C10Bt)
______________________________
That's not entirely accurate. Loretta Young raised the child as her own, but she told the public that she had adopted the baby. When she was older, the girl heard the rumors about her real parents and she confronted Loretta, who then admitted the truth to her. Or at least that's what she wrote in her book. The daughter has also passed away, IIRC.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 08:29 AM (2ruKl)
New contest!
I'll take Times Roman 12 pt.
Arial Bold 9.5 pt.
10 toes.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 08:30 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Typo dynamofo at January 06, 2015 08:31 AM (1DiJX)
And he got busted with weed before it was cool, and looked damn cool getting busted.
http://www.ukcia.org/potculture/49/mitchum.html
Posted by: Citizen X at January 06, 2015 08:31 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:32 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Paladin at January 06, 2015 08:32 AM (LTquJ)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 08:33 AM (A98Xu)
I've been away, off/on. When was the baby born? Boy/girl?
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:12 AM (3ZtZW)
Last I saw, things were on hold and he said they might end up doing a C-section. Has something happened since then?
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2015 08:34 AM (dFi94)
A number of Dems are going to Cuomo's funeral/memorial/pep rally, so that increases the number of votes that will be needed. The vote requirements are based on the number of people who are present and voting.
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I don't understand the math of this.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 08:35 AM (ee9LE)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 06, 2015 08:35 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 08:29 AM (2ruKl)
Quite right. Inaccuracy in the service of brevity is my only excuse. Thanks for posting the clarification. Judy Lewis Gable died in November of 2011.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 08:35 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:36 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 08:37 AM (ee9LE)
How terrible! Where was this?
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2015 08:37 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: Stu-22 at January 06, 2015 08:37 AM (vd4oB)
So far, 13 Reps have committed to voting against him. Thats 13 out of 247 or about 5%.
You really think he would throw in the towel over 5%?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2015 08:38 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:38 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:39 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 08:40 AM (ee9LE)
And he got busted with weed before it was cool, and looked damn cool getting busted.
Hey, thanks for that link. That's a cool story.
I had sort of dismissed Mitchum as one of those actors from the 50s when everything was phony. Then I started seeing him on talk shows and he seemed legit.
I had no idea his past was quite that colorful.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 08:40 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2015 08:38 AM (g1DWB)
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No because he's an asshole. It's only 5% because of the pressure put on the others to vote for him. Louie Gohmert was on local talk radio here in Texas and discussed the pressure of previous votes.
The reps have been getting a shit ton of phone calls and emails to get rid of him.
He's got to know he's disliked by the PEOPLE.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 08:42 AM (A98Xu)
If they can do anything underhanded to further their agenda, do you think hundreds of years of precedence will stop them?
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at January 06, 2015 08:43 AM (zxQ4h)
http://tinyurl.com/ncqxjtp
I'm thinking (hoping) there may be more votes against Boehner thanks to these two knuckleheads.
Posted by: Joanne at January 06, 2015 08:44 AM (qbNX7)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 06, 2015 08:44 AM (hxpNo)
If I'm decoding that right, you mean the Dems are not supposed to vote in the Speaker's election.
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:45 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 08:45 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 06, 2015 08:47 AM (hxpNo)
Posted by: mindful webworker - oops at January 06, 2015 08:47 AM (3rpCw)
So is Obama. Don't see him slowing down any. Hell, every leader in DC is underwater in approval and Boehner is one of the least bad.
Keeping the pressure on Boehner to try and push him to hold as hard a line as possible is great but I think its pretty unrealistic to expect any a pol to leave a leadership position unless they are forced and so far the numbers aren't there.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2015 08:48 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: McCool at January 06, 2015 08:49 AM (TQxRy)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:49 AM (3ZtZW)
http://goo.gl/JP4OUx
Rape accuser was one of Sharpton's minions. Ultimately though, DA chose not to prosecute.
Posted by: BananaDream at January 06, 2015 08:49 AM (vLk7c)
Unless you stay glued to the blog 24/7, there's no way to keep up on who's birthing who when. Those babies are sneaky little critters.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2015 08:50 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 06, 2015 08:50 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 08:51 AM (0FSuD)
How terrible! Where was this?
Another school bus/train crash in N. Dakota.
Driver, one student dead, 16 injured. Some serious. Saw that one on local news this a.m.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 08:52 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 08:37 AM (ee9LE)
I see as more likely he's probably worked out a deal with Pelosi to have her members vote present which would drive up the number of votes needed to oust Boehner.
I have read that rule over and over and still don't get it.
Posted by: Joanne at January 06, 2015 08:53 AM (qbNX7)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 08:53 AM (ee9LE)
Al Sharpton's Viagra Rx round in Sandy Rubenstien's home. Sandy being the lawyer accused of rapping an unconscious 42 yo woman:
It's like the line in Inglorious Basterds, "all the rotten eggs in one basket".
Otoh, Derschowitz' denial is so credible and categorical that the whole thing has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 08:53 AM (JtwS4)
Yeah.
They admitted that they missed it by >
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 08:53 AM (C10Bt)
I could hear Gabe squealing all the way up here.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
I left before it became mandatory.
And Gabe should save some of that for the honeymoon.
Posted by: Bob Hope at January 06, 2015 08:54 AM (kfcYC)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 06, 2015 08:54 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:54 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 08:55 AM (ee9LE)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 08:56 AM (V70Uh)
I think this year's flu shot was a dud. Lotsa people in my office out
Yeah.
They admitted that they missed it by >
The CDC is understaffed.
Posted by: John Boehner at January 06, 2015 08:57 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 08:57 AM (0FSuD)
It was re-scheduled from last month becoz Christmas and all, but the Nativity scene included one of the Wise Men carrying a wire hanger.
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:57 AM (3ZtZW)
Yeah.
They admitted that they missed it by >
I see pixy doesn't like that formatting.
How about "missed it by . that much"?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 08:57 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 08:38 AM (3ZtZW)
All members vote for a speaker. Although unorthodox, they can vote for a Republican.
Posted by: Joanne at January 06, 2015 08:58 AM (qbNX7)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 08:59 AM (ee9LE)
Especially because he is an attorney and an officer of the court and has tremendous respect for the truth, and would never, ever lie.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 08:59 AM (Zu3d9)
Holy crap!
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers
Yeah. :-( ND state trooper said the icy roads didn't appear to be a factor.
Said the bus driver didn't appear to see the train.
WTF? How do you not see something that big?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:00 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 09:00 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 08:37 AM (ee9LE)
I see as more likely he's probably worked out a deal with Pelosi to have her members vote present which would drive up the number of votes needed to oust Boehner.
IOW, the 'Republican' speaker chosen by the Democrats.
Surely the man we want.
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 09:00 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: The Barrel at January 06, 2015 09:00 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: the barrel at January 06, 2015 09:01 AM (zxQ4h)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 09:01 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:01 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at January 06, 2015 09:01 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 09:02 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:02 AM (C10Bt)
Minor setback. Wife's epidural gave our for some reason no one could
figure out (night staff nets you nurse anesthetists not docs.)
So after a period of her in tears they redid the epidural, bit to do so we also had to restart the induction.
And with water broken we're up against a clock that expires soon. Well see if this goes normal or C-section route soon I think.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:02 AM (0FSuD)
It was the Joooos.....the Joooos did it to me!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at January 06, 2015 09:01 AM (Zu3d9)
Italican Joooos? I thought Italicans were Catholic...
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 09:03 AM (2Ojst)
Surely the man we want.
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At least it would clarify the situation. We could start calling it ObamaBoehnercare.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 09:03 AM (ee9LE)
Mitchum dug into his wallet, pulled out a twenty and stuffed it into the jar, growling "Go fuck yourself, Loretta.
I don't suppose there's any video? Everyone in the family would love it, except Aunt Loretta.
Posted by: DaveA at January 06, 2015 09:03 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 09:03 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:03 AM (0FSuD)
______________________
I felt a little sorry for Loretta Young. After all, what was she supposed to do when she got pregnant, at a very young age, by the much older and married Gable? It was in the '30's, and there was no way she could have told the truth about the baby without ruining both her own film career, as well as Gable's. Young was supporting several family members, including her mother, and she literally couldn't afford the scandal.
At least Young took care of the baby, which is a lot more than Gable ever did. OTOH, I also felt sorry for Judy. Imagine going through life with a mother who thinks that you're a walking, talking reminder of her "mortal sin."
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 09:04 AM (2ruKl)
o a.m. eastern.Posted by: Joanne at January 06, 2015 09:04 AM (qbNX7)
Posted by: Emily at January 06, 2015 09:05 AM (7Rn+/)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 09:05 AM (DT3rQ)
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Yeah, he seems like a charmer.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:05 AM (A98Xu)
And with water broken we're up against a clock that expires soon. Well see if this goes normal or C-section route soon I think.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:02 AM (0FSuD)
Good hunting. Two weeks ago, Mrs. Nearsider was induced and pushed for 15 hours. She only got to 2cm before they went with the C-section.
Keep your head up, and your hand available for ensqueezening. I hope everything works out alright for the three of you.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:05 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:06 AM (dl64A)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 09:07 AM (TETYm)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:07 AM (ZGWuL)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 09:07 AM (3ZtZW)
Thanks for the update, Nip.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 09:03 AM (2Ojst)
Sure doesn't sound like anyone is having much fun. My wife had the same deal with my first son. Finally the Doctor pulled out these BIG salad tongs and grabbed him by the head and pulled him out.
It was not pretty. The poor kid had huge marks on his head and a limp arm. Dr looked at it and said very causally, did we break his arm?
I was about to shit, but the fella came through, no broken arm and the thong marks disappeared the next day. Baby bones are VERY flexible.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:08 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 09:04 AM (2ruKl)
What "mortal sin" was committed?
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:08 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:07 AM (ZGWuL)
Here's Ryan Costello's twitter feed:
@RyanACostello
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:09 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 09:10 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 09:10 AM (V70Uh)
She's told us how accidents are very traumatic for the guys running the train, and suicides are even worse. They can see the people/car on the track but no amount of braking can stop the train in time.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:10 AM (ZGWuL)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:07 AM (ZGWuL)
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/CostelloForCongress
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:11 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:11 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:11 AM (A98Xu)
But all sins can be forgiven if you are truly repentant.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 09:10 AM (V70Uh)
All but one.
Posted by: . at January 06, 2015 09:12 AM (yxw0r)
I would have liked to call though - they take that more seriously.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:12 AM (2DQnC)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 09:13 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: . at January 06, 2015 09:12 AM (yxw0r)
Keeeereckt!!!! Only denial of God cannot be forgiven.
Which is no problem for people committing it, since they don't believe anyway, amirite?
And with that, you take control of the board here on Catholic Jeopardy.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:14 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:14 AM (0FSuD)
But all sins can be forgiven if you are truly repentant.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 09:10 AM (V70Uh)
All but one.
Posted by: . at January 06, 2015 09:12 AM (yxw0r)
Voting Democrat?
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:14 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: . at January 06, 2015 09:12 AM (yxw0r)
Voting Democrat?
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:14 AM (4OZqu)
Hmmmmm. Well, that is a kind of denial of God, isn't it?
We'll have to think on that one a bit.
Posted by: Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith at January 06, 2015 09:16 AM (nAmJp)
Which is no problem for people committing it, since they don't believe anyway, amirite?
And with that, you take control of the board here on Catholic Jeopardy.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:14 AM (nAmJp)
Shit that's problem, everyone knows Allah will save you 15% on your car insurance.
Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at January 06, 2015 09:16 AM (0FSuD)
#3 seems a bit problematic. The FBI's expectation of privacy may be at odds with common expectations.
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:16 AM (Lf1Ga)
Posted by: . at January 06, 2015 09:12 AM (yxw0r)
Not accepting Christ?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:14 AM (0FSuD)
Sins against the Holy Spirit, Jesus said this because the Pharisees were mocking the miracles performed.
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:16 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 09:17 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite
Picture little microbes, in the black coat and hats doing that circle dance with the hooked elbows.
Posted by: DaveA at January 06, 2015 09:17 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:17 AM (C10Bt)
Going to 50F today in CO - whaaat?
Was freakin cold all through the holidays, and on the first day back to school, this!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 09:17 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 09:18 AM (TETYm)
Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at January 06, 2015 09:16 AM (0FSuD)
But you have to have a remote controlled IED in your trunk at all times...
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:18 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at January 06, 2015 09:16 AM (0FSuD)
Obligatory
http://tinyurl.com/prf56m2
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:18 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 06, 2015 09:18 AM (MbqmP)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 09:19 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Abdul on the commercial at January 06, 2015 09:19 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:18 AM (4OZqu)
Don't tell all secrets. Remote control standard equipment. Seat beats no so much.
Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at January 06, 2015 09:19 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 09:20 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 09:20 AM (TETYm)
http://tinyurl.com/llwnuw7
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:20 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:08 AM (4OZqu)
________________________
Loretta Young felt guilty about her adultery with the married Clark Gable (actually, it was his adultery, because Young wasn't married at the time of their affair).
And I put quotes around the "mortal sin" part because I was quoting Loretta Young, who reportedly told her daughter Judy that she was "a walking mortal sin."
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 09:20 AM (2ruKl)
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:20 AM (I6iFS)
Because it's silly, papist nonsense?
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 06, 2015 09:18 AM (MbqmP)
Baltimore Catechism online:
http://www.catholicity.com/baltimore-catechism/
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:21 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 09:20 AM (2ruKl)
Yes, for her it was only fornication.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:21 AM (nAmJp)
By that score, so was Jesus, since his parents weren't married.
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (MMC8r)
Or to get forcep marks.
Sometimes the baby even has to wear a skull-shaping helmet for a few weeks.
That reminds me - my mom told us that she always made us, as newborn babies, face one way then another for equal periods of time when lying down in the crib. She didn't want us to have flat backs of the skull which she said happened when babies just lay looking up at the ceiling. So of course I did that too with my kids. Heh. The things that get passed down.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (EtqBv)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 09:20 AM (2ruKl)
That's what I was confused about... she didn't commit a mortal sin.
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:21 AM (4OZqu)
Oh, dude, that hasn't been current since 1992.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (nAmJp)
Lotsa people in my office out
.
.
.It was. We have entire schools closed here due to the number of kids out with the flu.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (4oSLk)
Then why not "celebrate" "Christmas" or "serve" on a "jury" or "pay" or "taxes?"
Mortal Sin is a genuine expression, in use for centuries. Mock it if you please. But when you put it in double quotes, you are a leftist, trying to destroy Western Civilization.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (V70Uh)
Not only is he still kicking, Qatar just kicked the MB and the Hamas dude leading the war against Israel out of the country.
Bad news, the guy went to Turkey.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2015 09:23 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (4OZqu)
Yes, she did.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:23 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 06, 2015 09:19 AM (V70Uh)
Shhh, the man behind the curtain has a gun.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 09:23 AM (TETYm)
thong marks disappeared the next day. Baby bones are VERY flexible.
Heh. I had a scheduled C-section because of my son's heart defects, but during the delivery noticed (faintly, I was druuuugged) a whole lot of activity down there. Turns out my son wasn't just breach, he was doing the splits, w/one leg pointing straight up (next to his head) and w/his arms wrapped tight in a hug around it. Doctor got him halfway out before realizing that to continue would likely break the leg or hip. So he shoved the little guy back in, untangled all the limbs and pulled him out again. No broken limbs, woohoo!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 09:23 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:21 AM (4OZqu)
Oh, dude, that hasn't been current since 1992.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (nAmJp)
Yea, but I remember getting my own copy a very long time ago, so for nostalgia sake
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:24 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:24 AM (myWqM)
Over at cspan.org I see that the Congressional Black Caucus is having a swearing-in ceremony separate from everyone else.
Posted by: despair at January 06, 2015 09:24 AM (dcY7v)
That was before they were a political tool. But then again I was young and naive.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:25 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:24 AM (4OZqu)
::: fist bump :::
I got one too....in 1969...at First Communion.
Shit, I'm old.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:25 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (4OZqu)
Yes, she did.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:23 AM (nAmJp)
Not adultery - fornication
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:25 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2015 09:22 AM (MMC8r)
__________________________
Nope, because Jesus' conception was an immaculate conception -- i.e., no sex involved. No sex, no sin -- mortal or otherwise.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 09:26 AM (2ruKl)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:23 AM (nAmJp)
Not adultery - fornication
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:25 AM (4OZqu)
Yes, I know. See comment 268.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:26 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 06, 2015 09:26 AM (rwI+c)
What is wrong with these people?
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2015 09:26 AM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:27 AM (75C2c)
Do not engage Bannion on any topic which is even tangentially related to Catholicism, the Pope, Catholicdoctrine/dogma or theSacraments.
You can't win, and he loves it.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:27 AM (fwARV)
The GOP has spent more than the amount of my contributions soliciting me for more contributions. I changed my affiliation and told them to f*** off years ago, and still they persist.
Posted by: despair at January 06, 2015 09:27 AM (dcY7v)
191From WZ, an Episcopalian church in Kansas is hosting a celebration of abortion. Next week, a celebration of a Golden Calf.
Is that Kathleen Sibelius' church? Or the church of that abortion doctor who was shot? They need to extend an invitation to Pelosi. Leftists are all in favor of that kind of "Christianity."
Posted by: Donna V. at January 06, 2015 09:27 AM (u0lmX)
I use to love the show FBI.
That was before they were a political tool. But then again I was young and naive.
I did, too. Ephraim Zimbalist Jr. FTW.
Otoh, we were both young and naiive. Hoover had been running the Bureau as a corrupt vehicle for his own aggrandizement forever.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 09:27 AM (JtwS4)
Well, duh. That's sort of the point here, isn't it? We get to yell and shout and all of that. "Outrage Outlet," get it?
(Although I got to say, compared to the commenters at Hot Air the Horde is practically made up of WF Buckleys. If you want to see what real raving combined with paranoia and conspiracy theories looks like, go read one of those comment threads; you'll come back here thankful that everyone in the Horde is so well-balanced and sane.)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Rant Responsibly at the Outrage Outlet! at January 06, 2015 09:28 AM (hLRSq)
What is wrong with these people?
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2015 09:26 AM (sj3Ax)
The voters who keep electing them are to blame...
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:28 AM (4OZqu)
Still, she did the right thing initially, after the wrong thing. Then she did a wrong thing.
By Hollywood standards, she should be canonized.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 09:28 AM (TETYm)
Posted by: Enquiring mind at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (BKaug)
Wow. Seriously, wow. WTF is wrong with these people?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (rwI+c)
Timothy DeFoggi, who was convicted back in August 2014, is the sixth person to be convicted in relations to a Nebraska-based child porn Tor-enable website known as PedoBook.
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (Lf1Ga)
Was with a C-section?
Somewhere I have a bunch of notes on how to handle that kind of thing in the case of vaginal birth of sheep (research for a novel). With a sheep or larger critter you can stick your whole forearm up Mama.
Seems like you'd need a different procedure with a human.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (aLfY1)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (TETYm)
Somehow I don't think Vilma Banky's birthday on Friday will provoke as much interest.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (zF6Iw)
Separate, but equal, right?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (DoX/w)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 06, 2015 09:30 AM (3jmxp)
The GOP has spent more than the amount of my contributions soliciting me for more contributions. I changed my affiliation and told them to f*** off years ago, and still they persist.
Posted by: despair at January 06, 2015 09:27 AM (dcY7v)
I have empirically decided that if you join (or renew) NRA memberships, the Republican party ends up with the data and automatically decides you must be Republican.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 06, 2015 09:30 AM (ZALPg)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:27 AM (fwARV)
Killjoy.
Look, I have to get some use out of this worthless Theology Masters, OK?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:30 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at January 06, 2015 09:31 AM (0FSuD)
At a rib joint?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 09:31 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:29 AM (Lf1Ga)
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Wait..... The criminal masterminds *actually* named their child porn distributing software, which is a felony..... Pedobook???
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 09:31 AM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 06, 2015 09:31 AM (DoX/w)
Shit, I'm old.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:25 AM (nAmJp)
You're my age, Bannion?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at January 06, 2015 09:31 AM (0FSuD)
Don't worry we still own it. Just like we own most of Harlem
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 09:31 AM (NaV4z)
*Likes*
Posted by: Hairy Reed at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Bigby's Inky Fingers at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (3ZtZW)
Not in relation to this case but I've thought for a while that if you are in opposition to this government, you would do best to own no computer at all. The government can easily plant kiddie porn on you and send you up for 25 years, to the applause of everyone.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (rwI+c)
... well this explains why HHS had such lousy security on healthcare.gov, not to mention what they were doing to make it so late
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (+C5m6)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (zF6Iw)
Yip.
My first Mass was in Latin.
Now....get off my lawn.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:33 AM (A98Xu)
RE: the CBC having it's own swearing in ceremony...
Wow. I'm not actually surprised, but just... wow. I always say this, but it's still true: Just IMAGINE the rabid outrage if a 'Congressional White Caucus' was formed and held separate ceremonies.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:33 AM (fwARV)
Glowbull warming, good times, good times...
Posted by: fairweatherbill freezing his tookus at January 06, 2015 09:33 AM (ljIUb)
Over at cspan.org I see that the Congressional Black Caucus is having a swearing-in ceremony separate from everyone else. "
At a rib joint?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 09:31 AM (Zmw74)
LOL! There are no good ones in DC. Maybe they had it catered?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:33 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:33 AM (fwARV)
Sheets optional.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:33 AM (nAmJp)
*looks at family tree*
Irish Catholic grandfathers marry Protestants. Everything gets diluted out.
*thanks heavens that adultery and fornication don't condemn me to something nasty*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 09:33 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 09:34 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:32 AM (nAmJp)
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Per Ambulus Dos Fescue
Posted by: The Guy That Translates Stuff Into LAtin at January 06, 2015 09:34 AM (NaV4z)
In what language was the first mass said?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at January 06, 2015 09:34 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 09:33 AM (JtwS4)
No, they still do.
You just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:34 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 09:31 AM (NaV4z)
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It makes a certain amount of sense, i how else does Harry Reid keep track of the number of children he has had relations with without a pedometer.
Posted by: Penfold at January 06, 2015 09:35 AM (Fbt5B)
In what language was the first mass said?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at January 06, 2015 09:34 AM (Zu3d9)
Probably Aramaic, but what do I know?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:35 AM (fwARV)
I got one too....in 1969...at First Communion.
Shit, I'm old.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:25 AM (nAmJp)
Shit, Vic and I have sweaters older than that.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:35 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at January 06, 2015 09:34 AM (Zu3d9)
Likely, Koine Greek.
Could have been Aramaic. Not likely it was Hebrew...but possible.
Dunno.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:35 AM (nAmJp)
In what language was the first mass said?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at January 06, 2015 09:34 AM (Zu3d9)
Agape meal?
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:36 AM (4OZqu)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (/GgDU)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (2cS/G)
Double espresso please.....and I like those cute designs you put into the foam.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (zF6Iw)
Publicly available exploit threatens all Tor users unless they take action now.
According to Wired, "Operation Torpedo," as the FBI sting operation was dubbed, targeted users of three darknet child porn sites. It came to light only after Omaha defense attorney Joseph Gross challenged the accuracy of evidence it uncovered against a Rochester, New York-based IT worker who claims he was falsely implicated in the campaign. Operation Torpedo used the Metasploit Decloaking Engine to identify careless suspects who were hiding behind Tor, a free service used by good and bad guys alike to shield their point of entry to the Internet.
The Decloaking Engine went live in 2006 and used five separate methods to break anonymization systems. One method was an Adobe Flash application that initiated a direct connection with the end user, bypassing Tor protections and giving up the user's IP address. Tor Project officials have long been aware of the vulnerability and strenuously advise against installing Flash.
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (mh+4W)
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:38 AM (C10Bt)
At the very least, I hope Boehner loses. He is a detestable prick.----------
No, my boss is a detestable prick. Boehner is much worse than him. I put him into the category of must exterminate vermin.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 09:39 AM (/GgDU)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 09:39 AM (kff5f)
True?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (C10Bt)
Yes. BUT....
That comes with a huge caveat.
The Catholic Church teaches that this does NOT mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned.
Salvation comes through the action of the Church in the world.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:39 AM (nAmJp)
That has occurred to me, also. It also occurs to me that the definition of "kiddie porn" could be rather elastic if someone wanted - I know of at least two famous paintings that featured nude models that were under 18 (14 and 15, as a matter of fact) at the time of painting, and I bet there are a bunch of others out there.
Might not be safe even without a computer if you own books of 18th century French or 20th century American paintings.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 09:39 AM (aLfY1)
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They are not striving, nor have they ever, to live in a color-blind society. They're FUBU, all the way. There will never be a true melding of Americans of all races because that's how they want it.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 06, 2015 09:39 AM (tsGZY)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:40 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (Zu3d9)
Puh-leeeze. I'm not a Womyn's Studies major.
Pfffft.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:40 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 09:41 AM (2ivCz)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:40 AM (A98Xu)
I think he's the victim of trusting too much in the media.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:41 AM (nAmJp)
Publicly available exploit threatens all Tor users unless they take action now.------
I take this as a non-hamster shop without Pixy.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 09:41 AM (/GgDU)
Juliet was only 14 years old.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 06, 2015 09:41 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: RustyG at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (x0RiQ)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (C10Bt)
You just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:34 AM (nAmJp)
Well played my friend!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (fL/7/)
Posted by: Muhammad at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (cYaNh)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:38 AM (C10Bt)
I knew what you meant - because I had to read St. Cyprian of Carthage.
In Latin.
FML.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (nAmJp)
*disregards Nearsider's advice*
Likely, Koine Greek.
Could have been Aramaic. Not likely it was Hebrew...but possible
See, that's the problem I have with New Testament literalists. I did a bunch of self-guided Bible study back when the Mel Gibson movie came out. Figured I couldn't weigh in if I didn't understand the background.
And I've always been leery of the lawyerly reading of "I am the way and the truth and the light, and none shall come to the Father save through me". I am told that that means only that I must accept Jesus as my personal savior.
Really? I'm a linguist at heart. Languages don't map 1:1. I started wondering what language that was written in. Well, maybe Classical Greek, maybe Koine, maybe Aramaic. The earliest scraps of copied and/or translated text are from the third century.
And there were lots of other gospels, too. I read them.
The Canonical Gospels were a political document agreed upon in 325 AD. I know that my serious Catholic friends insist that the Council of Nicea was inspired by God, so it really was God's choice. But still.
*regrets that a 10:00 conference call will limit my participation in the follow-up*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (JtwS4)
Congratulations on now 18 day old baby!
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (sj3Ax)
It should be interesting.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (zzXB7)
_________________________
I agree that the daughter was not the one who sinned. I think Loretta was just expressing her own guilt and shame over the affair, although she expressed it in a way that hurt her daughter, who was blameless in the affair. But as you note, at least Loretta had enough integrity to resist compounding her error by not getting an abortion. And Loretta did raise the girl and love her, which is more than her biological father ever did.
Loretta tried to keep the girl's true parentage a secret, but it was widely rumored for years in Hollywood that Gable was Judy's real father. Judy wrote that for years, her mother made her wear hats and bonnets to cover her prominent ears, so as not to give the truth away. But when Judy was an adult and confronted Loretta about the rumors, Loretta did admit the truth to Judy. And in her authorized biography, Loretta also admitted the truth to the public, a year before she died (of ovarian cancer ).
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 06, 2015 09:43 AM (2ruKl)
Threesome?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (C10Bt)
Different partner?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 09:43 AM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Muhammad at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (cYaNh)
*snort*
I always get muhammad and allah mixed up.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:43 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:43 AM (C10Bt)
So I guess I'm a little unclear on this, but isn't "Separate but equal" a bad thing????
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 09:44 AM (ABcz/)
It should be interesting.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (zzXB7)
Silly Poster, she doesn't have standing.
Posted by: Blind Justice
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 09:44 AM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2015 09:42 AM (sj3Ax)
Thanks!
I have no idea what day it is, sometimes I forget my name, and this past Sunday, I nearly walked out of the house with no pants on.
I suppose that sounds like business as usual for a Moron, but this time it's different.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:44 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Black males, 18-30 at January 06, 2015 09:44 AM (Qgr71)
"I'll say 'Cool Whip.' They'll repeat it back to me with exaggerated emphasis on the /h/. I've been pulled into this conversation several times now, and each time I grow a bit more self-conscious."
Parton wrote that he eventually decided he could no longer stay silent about this injustice, and finally said something to a friend who had "put [him] through the 'Cool Whip' routine."
"I waited awhile and texted her this: 'Making fun of regional speech is a microaggression,'" he wrote.
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:45 AM (+C5m6)
Posted by: maddogg at January 06, 2015 09:45 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 09:45 AM (2ivCz)
The Antenicean fathers produced lists of what books were considered gospel in their own day, and they match up pretty well with the NT as it exists today. The only books that there was much dispute about were the Shepherd of Hermas and James, IIRC.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 09:46 AM (aLfY1)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 06, 2015 09:39 AM (tsGZY)
There's far more money for the "leaders" to
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 06, 2015 09:46 AM (fL/7/)
So why do we keep ending them?
Posted by: Black males, 18-30 at January 06, 2015 09:44 AM (Qgr71)
Black Matter Lives!
We'll find it someplace
Posted by: Frustrated Physicists at January 06, 2015 09:46 AM (cYaNh)
In Latin.
FML.
Posted by: Sean Bannion
You did great with Samsung of Japan.
In Texan.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:46 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 09:45 AM (2ivCz
Well foreplayed!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 09:47 AM (/GgDU)
Posted by: at January 06, 2015 09:45 AM (+C5m6)
Ah, the poor Vol is in Princeton and he's whining.
Victimization, what can't it do?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:48 AM (0FSuD)
"I'll say 'Cool Whip.' They'll repeat it back to me with exaggerated emphasis on the /h/. I've been pulled into this conversation several times now, and each time I grow a bit more self-conscious."
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 09:45 AM (+C5m6)
I didn't know Stewie was from Tennessee
http://tinyurl.com/mezcunf
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:48 AM (nAmJp)
MoMee?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:48 AM (C10Bt)
In Latin.
FML.
Posted by: Sean Bannion
I took HS Latin, that sucked, I sucked.
My oldest minored in it at college. But then again she's pretty damn smart. Hats off to anyone who gets the i, isti, etc
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 09:48 AM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Muhammad
Grandmother by 18.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:43 AM (C10Bt)
Almost makes Epstein seem like a celibate monk.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 06, 2015 09:49 AM (fL/7/)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:48 AM (C10Bt)
While you're bullshitting... you can totally lose your pants at a MoMee.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:49 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 09:45 AM (2ivCz)
He doesn't really have two separate dicks. It's just the base of one dick split into two heads.
Remember the planaria worm back in highschool biology? That cross-eyed looking worm thing that could grow an entirely separate portion of itself if you split it down the middle? Well, my HS friends and I got clever and split one down the middle but only halfway, making it grow two heads off of the same body. We wanted to let it mature enough to eventually split the two heads into four, making it into the mythical Hydra (Hail Hydra!!!) creature but our teacher scolded us for animal abuse.
Posted by: EC at January 06, 2015 09:49 AM (GQ8sn)
Kate Upton should do 'the trick'.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at January 06, 2015 09:49 AM (uSAVP)
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mik
e-huckabee-is-a-poison-pill-for-conservatives/
He's probably just a stalking horse for some GOPe candidate.
And performs two big functions:
1) He peels off evangelicals from real conservative candidates which cause them to be non-starters in race for the nom and allows the Jeb!s, Christies, etc a free run
2) The GOPe and "moderate" wing don't want evangelicals anyway - they're too stupid and superstitious for these geniuses.
And won't owe them anything politically, because they've thrown their support and wasted their votes on Huckablob.
My opinion: a deal was cut to let Huckabee on an extended leave from his show to knee-cap conservative candidates.
A Prez run by Huckabee is a money generator - he sells more books etc.
He gets his old job back in the end.
Some other out-of-sight renumeration -free house in Hawaii, whatevs.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 06, 2015 09:50 AM (KBvAm)
Sharptons response The police are trying to embarrass me, but I am unembarrassable.
Weasel Zippers--Yeah back up and running
unembarrassable? yeah ya got that right
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 09:50 AM (Zmw74)
It is a fucking sad day for America when these four hold some of the highest offices in the nation. Pathetic.
Posted by: John Boehner at January 06, 2015 09:50 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 06, 2015 09:50 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 09:50 AM (DT3rQ)
My oldest minored in it at college. But then again she's pretty damn smart. Hats off to anyone who gets the i, isti, etc
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 09:48 AM (/GgDU)
My Latin prof in the program asked me to keep taking Latin because I was doing so well. I told him that the only reason he thinks that is because I'm literally taking 8 hours to translate a single paragraph. So...no....thank you....I will not be continuing in Latin.
IT SUCKED.
I used brute force and stupidity to compensate for my lack of talent with languages.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:51 AM (nAmJp)
Good example of why the Dead Sea Scrolls are so interesting and important.
Nothing quite like contemporaneous accounts....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 09:51 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at January 06, 2015 09:51 AM (zauWW)
My oldest minored in it at college. But then again she's pretty damn smart. Hats off to anyone who gets the i, isti, etc
convenit.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (C10Bt)
Robert Mitchum was a conservative, too. He drank, swore, and was conservative... me thinks he was a Moron before it was cool!
And he got busted with weed before it was cool, and looked damn cool getting busted.
http://www.ukcia.org/potculture/49/mitchum.html
Posted by: Citizen X at January 06, 2015 08:31 AM (7ObY1)
Mitchum's description of prison in that story is classic.
He later described prison as being "like Palm Springs without the riff raff."
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (TIIx5)
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A lot of dumbassery in that picture.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:49 AM (fwARV)
Along with several thousand neurons, your reputation, your self-respect and...if you're AtC....your way to IHOP.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (2ivCz)
365 >>RE: the CBC having it's own swearing in ceremony...
So I guess I'm a little unclear on this, but isn't "Separate but equal" a bad thing????
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 09:44 AM (ABcz/)
Special snowflakes gotta be special...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (bWFHa)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:51 AM (nAmJp)
I saw "Brute Force and Stupdity" open for Rory Gallagher in 1982
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (cYaNh)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:51 AM (nAmJp)
Ah....what did you say you did in the army?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 09:53 AM (Zu3d9)
Yes, it was a private school.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:53 AM (0FSuD)
Nothing quite like contemporaneous accounts....
I don't think that there are any copies of the New Testament among the dead Sea Scrolls - OT and non-scriptural writings only.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 09:53 AM (aLfY1)
Heah's a quatah. Go pahk ya cah in Hahvahd Yahd, ya bahstahd.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 09:53 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 09:53 AM (aLfY1)
Eww.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 09:53 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (nAmJp)
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:53 AM (fwARV)
--
Babies were put in this world to teach adults the value of sleep.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:54 AM (ARP6+)
Posted by: EC at January 06, 2015 09:55 AM (GQ8sn)
First time I've ever agreed with that nickelfucker.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 09:55 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:39 AM (nAmJp)
No, salvation comes only through the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior.
Nothing about human works has anything to do with whether or not a person is saved. Works are fruit, not origin.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 09:55 AM (9LuAk)
I saw "Brute Force and Stupdity" open for Rory Gallagher in 1982
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:52 AM (cYaNh)
Errr, wasn't that opening band actually called Brute Force and Ignorance? That's the way I remember it from when I saw them at the Cow Palace.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 06, 2015 09:55 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 06, 2015 09:55 AM (2cS/G)
Heah's a quatah. Go pahk ya cah in Hahvahd Yahd, ya bahstahd.
That's a wicked pissah!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:56 AM (C10Bt)
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Babies were put in this world to teach adults the value of sleep.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 09:54 AM (ARP6+)
and how to stay young-at-heart
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:56 AM (cYaNh)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:56 AM (0FSuD)
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Dude..... you're from the South.
Fcuking act like.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 09:56 AM (NaV4z)
So can someone give me a cogent answer to this question--what if any, sin is a newborn child guilty of?
Serious question, not intended to be confrontational, I trust that any answer will be a considered one, free from snark.
This is pursuant to an ongoing discussion.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 06, 2015 09:56 AM (jeCnD)
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 09:53 AM (fwARV)
No, the facts are indeed in evidence.
While you were passed out after your NINTH Manhattan in 40 minutes, we took an EEG that conclusively confirmed your wholesale slaughter of neurons.
In fact, the image on the EEG looked suspiciously like one of those New Orleans Mardi Grad type funeral processions.
But I digress....
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:56 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon
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Chris Muir called him a SCOAMF in today's Day by Day. Wonder where he got that one.
Posted by: Roy at January 06, 2015 09:57 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2015 09:57 AM (0FSuD)
Life is f'ing hard and then you die.
Man up, dick.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:57 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 06, 2015 09:55 AM (2cS/G)
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Please?
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 09:57 AM (NaV4z)
Of course. I think the newest of them is at least 100 years before Christ.
My point was that contemporaneous accounts are valuable because they provide context and sometimes verification.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 09:57 AM (Zu3d9)
First time I've ever agreed with that nickelfucker.
Oh, he is. He's just too stoopid to know it.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:57 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 06, 2015 09:55 AM (TIIx5)
Don't know, I do know it's a Rory Gallagher song - that's why I made the reference...
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 09:57 AM (cYaNh)
Serious question, not intended to be confrontational, I trust that any answer will be a considered one, free from snark.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 06, 2015 09:56 AM (jeCnD)
None - because they haven't committed any.
Infant baptism removes the stain of original sin. Not any sins supposedly committed by the child.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:58 AM (nAmJp)
So every Southerner who hears a crappy imitation of their regional speech used by a comedian or actor to indicate a dumb American can be pissed now?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 09:58 AM (ABcz/)
1. Denying papal authority, which he or she doesn't care about.
2. Chosen to reject the Holy Spirit role in the gift of life.
3. Slapping the ecumenical efforts of the last twenty years in the face.
4. Probably rolling in cash from leftist scum.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 09:58 AM (TETYm)
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Original sin.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 09:58 AM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 09:58 AM (2ivCz)
Rich, spoiled ManhattanPrinceton grad, who at age 30 is unemployed and still relying on an "allowance " from daddy, gets angry because his allowance has been cut by $200 a month.Sends Mommy out to get a sammich for him and then shoots daddy and tries to make it look like a suicide.In the NY Post this morning.
Next, son hires top-notch defense team who convince jury that Junior is mentally ill and was abusedterribly by Daddy, because he asked junior every now and then "when are you going to get a job?"
Posted by: Donna V. at January 06, 2015 09:59 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 09:59 AM (vPh3W)
So can someone give me a cogent answer to this question--what if any, sin is a newborn child guilty of?
Original sin resulting from Adam and Eve's defiance of God's rules.
We are here as punishment for the same sin.
Posted by: John Boehner at January 06, 2015 09:59 AM (XzRw1)
Yes. Quite true.
And the Church was created by?????
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:59 AM (nAmJp)
I see two people who work hard as hell, no matter what, to push through their Party's agenda and give their voters what they voted for.
I see two weasels committed to stabbing their voters in the back, who work hard as hell, no matter what, to push through the other Parties' agenda and to screw over their own voters.
Guess which is which.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 06, 2015 09:59 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 09:59 AM (A98Xu)
We're having a Salvation/Legalism/Translation discussion and the Church of Christ member is busy at work!!!!
Oh! The Humanity!
And we know* that Luke, at least, wrote his Gospel in Greek (and, yes, "we" know the dialect, but I personally do not). We know this because it's the language in which he would have been most fluent in for writing purposes.
As for the translations from the rest of the NT, they would also likely have been originally written in Greek, simply because they were to be sent to so many different people (and Greek was kind of the universal language in the 1st C).
As to how accurate they are? Well, we know from an archeological standpoint that they are as accurate as we could expect, and we have more scraps and fragments of the NT than we do scraps and fragments that refer to, say, Julius Caesar.
For the Salvation question, if you believe in Christianity, you kind of have to believe that Salvation comes only through Christ. That is made very clear. Even if you grant that some linguistic creep could have occurred and he did not literally say "no one comes Father except through me," a) that concept (in very similar wording) is recorded multiple times, and b) there's not a whole lot of conceptual creep that could occur there, unless you're suggesting a complete mistranslation somewhere.
Oh, and Imma throw a bombshell here and point out that EVERY SALVATION STORY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT also features full immersion baptism (the word, in fact, means: to immerse in water) of adults. Not once will you find a salvation story wherein the one(s) saved is not directed to be baptized.
And now I have to get back to working at work.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 09:59 AM (kff5f)
First time I've ever agreed with that nickelfucker.
Oh, he is. He's just too stoopid to know it.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:57 AM (C10Bt)
He's too stupid to spin it the other way, he should have said, "Damn right I'm taking Viagra, look at me I look like a Q-tip dipped in used motor oil and I'll still getting it..."
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (cYaNh)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Roy at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (VndSC)
In a grotesque twist of the saying "live by the sword, die by the sword", an Islamic State executioner in Syria who carried out beheadings for the jihadist group has been found with his head cut off.
The body of the Egyptian man, known to be the deputy emir of the feared al-Hesbah (or Hisbah) force in the eastern province of Deir al-Zor, was recovered near a power plant in al-Mayadeen city, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
The corpse showed signs of torture and carried the message "This is evil, you Sheikh" written on it. The severed head also had a cigarette in its mouth. It is unclear who carried out the decapitation but the message was obvious.
Islamic State's (formerly known as Isis) ban on cigarettes is one of its signature polices. It has imposed a strict set of Sharia laws barring the use of drugs, alcohol and cigarettes in the territories it has conquered across a swathe of Iraq and Syria.
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (+C5m6)
I used brute force and stupidity to compensate for my lack of talent with languages.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:51 AM (nAmJp)
Latin was always a solid D to D-. Took 2 years of German and got B-s. At one time thought about entering the ministry. But didn't want to take Greek and Hebrew to boot.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (9BRsg)
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'Affluenza'. Daddy figured out that he had shaped monster..., but way too late.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (vPh3W)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (9BRsg)
Jesus: "On this rock (You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God), I will found my Church."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 10:00 AM (kff5f)
Nope....I was wrong. The Temple Scroll was written in the first century.....
http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 10:01 AM (Zu3d9)
If I am wrong, let me know
Posted by: Kindltot at January 06, 2015 10:01 AM (t//F+)
Dayum. Beats my public best of 12 Tangueray and oj in 2 hours.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 10:01 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: Neo at January 06, 2015 10:01 AM (I6iFS)
Posted by: some guy at January 06, 2015 10:02 AM (QCc6B)
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Yup. And if Drew doesnt put the apostophe in "y'all" in the right place....
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 10:03 AM (NaV4z)
If I am wrong, let me know
Posted by: Kindltot at January 06, 2015 10:01 AM (t//F+)
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 10:03 AM (cYaNh)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 10:03 AM (TETYm)
Bingo. That's the Catholic view.
Sorta like God was saying, "Because I completely expect you to screw up - because human - I'm going to leave you this Church here to help you get your shit together. Don't worry, it's still me. Y'all be cool now."
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:04 AM (nAmJp)
IIRC, the same word used for baptizing people is also used for baptizing couches, etc. (Pharisee practice), so I don't think we can assume that full immersion is meant. Agree with the last part, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 10:04 AM (aLfY1)
1. Denying papal authority, which he or she doesn't care about.
He's not a Catholic bishop. He's
Episcopalian. They've been known to deny the divinity of Christ. They don't deny the authority of the NY Times op -ed page though.
Posted by: Donna V. at January 06, 2015 10:04 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Seems
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Actually, that is happening everywhere. I'm not going to get holier-than-thou about it, my own church is in jeopardy also.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 10:04 AM (vPh3W)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 10:01 AM (C10Bt)
I assure you that Nearsider is QUITE serious about his drinking, and that he carries it out with style and aplomb.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:05 AM (nAmJp)
What denomination?
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 10:06 AM (aLfY1)
I see I'm going to have to get my liver in tip-top shape before June.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 10:06 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 10:06 AM (TETYm)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc
This would explain why Anglican sects are forming.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 06, 2015 10:06 AM (Spluw)
As far as I know that's "the Christian view." I don't know of any Christian who denies that Christ established the Church.
Oh, since we're on the topic- has anyone read the book As A Lamb Slain? My dad gave it to me over Christmas. It's surprisingly good for a book which is so poorly written.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (A98Xu)
This would explain why Anglican sects are forming.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 06, 2015 10:06 AM (Spluw)
Also explains why the Catholic Church created an Anglican Ordinariate to take them in.
If they wanted to come back.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (2ivCz)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (kff5f)
Who wrote it?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 10:06 AM (zF6Iw)
Pro tip: Interval training, my friend. Interval training.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:08 AM (nAmJp)
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Im paraphrashing. Luke 20 something.
Jesus says to him. Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 10:08 AM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:58 AM (nAmJp)
Serious question: Infant child dies before baptism. Does the child still have the stain of original sin?
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 06, 2015 10:08 AM (fL/7/)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (2ivCz)
and lose weight by chopping off your head
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 10:08 AM (cYaNh)
Not a chance that will tempt me with the current Pope.
I attend a conservative, but intentionally non-political (phew!), Episcopal church. None of that abortion, SSM, global warming talk from the pulpit.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 10:09 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 10:09 AM (2ivCz)
In I Cor. 10, Paul says, "and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea".
If you recall the story, Moses & the Israelites passed through the Red Sea on dry land. The Egyptians were immersed.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 06, 2015 10:09 AM (MbqmP)
Yes. Quite true.
And the Church was created by?????
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:59 AM (nAmJp)
Men who decided to violate the plainly-stated directive of call no man Father, for you have one Father, and he is in Heaven.
Individuals who made up an entire culture from whole cloth, then asserted that it was through that culture they made up, having received no instruction on the formation of the colossal bureaucracy that is the Catholic Church, by which salvation would come, as though salvation was a thing emnating from the Church, as opposed to Christ himself.
The Catholic Church, the institution, the papacy, the bishops? That was not created by Christ. That was not inspired by Christ. The graven images? Confessing one's sins to a stand-in for the Lord? That was not Christ's doing. That is man's doing.
We in this era have no need for a stand-in between ourselves and the Lord. That is the entire point of the high priesthood of Jesus Christ. The introduction of an, and the authority of man, robs Christ of his rightful role as our Intercedor. This stuff is made up whole cloth.
The instructive thing to remember is that Christ has invited us to partake of His work, but that we are not at all needed. It is the same as a father inviting his children to help him in building a house, or working the farm; the children's work is sloppy and unrefined, but the father accepts it because of his love for his children, not for the quality of their efforts.
1 Corinthians 15:58 is a good example of that.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 10:10 AM (9LuAk)
Edited.
The irony, of course is that Hillary was pandering (she thought) to a AA audience. They should have been offended.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 10:10 AM (vPh3W)
Posted by: MikeH at January 06, 2015 10:08 AM (cYaNh)
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laughs.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say, SHARIA SUCKS.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:10 AM (A98Xu)
Makes that old Stephen Kin short story about a co. that helps you quit by removing fingers for every slip up look tame.
Huh, ISIS makes King look tame.....Weird times, indeed.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 10:10 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 10:06 AM (TETYm)
the only one who mentions Jesus is Josephus. And he does it 70 years after the fact. Everything else is speculation. The Dead Sea Scrolls were "supposedly" written by the "Essenes" who many speculate are the precessors or an influence on early Christians.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 10:11 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: scottst at January 06, 2015 10:12 AM (Ltygl)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:08 AM (nAmJp)
Work is my interval.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 10:12 AM (zF6Iw)
Huh, ISIS makes King look tame.....Weird times, indeed.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 10:10 AM (ABcz/)
I think they started by torturing your family members in front of you, if I remember the story correctly.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:12 AM (2Ojst)
I'll let Bannion answer for the Catholic teaching, but the Reformed Protestant answer is that baptism is the sign of the Covenant (replacing circumcision) and does not in itself remove guilt or change the nature of the infant.
Just for clarification.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 10:12 AM (aLfY1)
This would explain why Anglican sects are forming.Posted by: Blue Hen at January 06, 2015 10:06 AM (Spluw)My cousin is an Anglican priest. He is also a gun safety instructor with an NRA bumper sticker on his car. He makes me look like a raving Communist.
Posted by: Donna V. at January 06, 2015 10:13 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:13 AM (2Ojst)
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Like my Catholic Dad use to say, If Christ hands the keys to Peter to build his church that's good enough for me.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:13 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 10:09 AM (ABcz/)
That's nice.
i've largely given up on church because every time I go, I get to hear some sermon regarding politics/political matters with a libtard spin.
Christianity is very much meant to be a kind of tend your own garden affair with outreach-
as a base for community organizing...not so much.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 06, 2015 10:14 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (nAmJp)
Floyd Irvin Stanley
Jesus says to him. Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 06, 2015 10:08 AM (NaV4z)
1- The Church had not yet been established (wouldn't be until Christ returned to His Father, which didn't happen until the ascension).
2- Christ's blood had not yet been shed, meaning the Salvation plan wasn't going to work for anyone who died before "It is Finished" (or, presumably, before Pentecost).
3- I don't think Abraham is in Hell, either.
However, Salvation stories only exist after the Ascension and Great Commission. The first Gospel Sermon occurred on Pentecost. I also have a personal (not shared by everyone) belief that, even without baptism (or even "asking Jesus into my heart"), people who are killed specifically because they claim to believe in Jesus get a Get Into Heaven Free card.
As for those who died before Pentecost and the establishment of Christ's Church on Earth... I don't know God's plan; you'll have to take it up with him.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 10:14 AM (kff5f)
Dump?
Posted by: scottst at January 06, 2015 10:12 AM (Ltygl)
Still working on my first cup of coffee.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 06, 2015 10:14 AM (TIIx5)
Wouldn't you prefer a nice discussion of the Civil War?
"Why does the Pope, whose wealth today is greater than the wealth of the richest Crassus, build the Basilica of St. Peter with the money of the poor believers rather than with his own money?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 10:14 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 06, 2015 10:08 AM (fL/7/)
Yes. However, even after Baptism (which washes away original sin) the EFFECTS of original sin remain. So if where you're going is, "Can the infant get into heaven?" then the answer is "yes."
From the Catechism:
As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.(Catechism of the Catholic Church 1261)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:14 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:13 AM (2Ojst)
Roughage, eat more roughage
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 10:15 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: LadyS at January 06, 2015 10:15 AM (5dip8)
Posted by: Viv Savage at January 06, 2015 10:15 AM (2ivCz)
I am surprised and disappointed that the Horde did not seize on the humor in this comment.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 10:15 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:13 AM (2Ojst)
Roughage, eat more roughage
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 10:15 AM (Zmw74)
Heh. The cereal I had said it was made with whole grains. I guess that just wasn't enough.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:15 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: LadyS at January 06, 2015 10:15 AM (5dip
When is it?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 10:16 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:05 AM (nAmJp)
I was pretty effing wasted. What a glorious night that was. You're right too, it was nine manhattans in under an hour.
If I didn't fly in the Navy and do my undergrad at Penn State, I might have died...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 10:16 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:16 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 10:17 AM (C10Bt)
The question is whether what Christ meant by that statement and, if Christ did mean it as the Catholics claim he meant it, whether said position can be passed on.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 10:17 AM (aLfY1)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 06, 2015 10:17 AM (KBvAm)
Posted by: LadyS at January 06, 2015 10:17 AM (5dip8)
Posted by: LadyS at January 06, 2015 10:15 AM (5dip
**blushes**
You're very sweet, Lady S. But prepare for the inevitable disappointment at me in the flesh.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 10:17 AM (zF6Iw)
Hiccup in the strategy to force a second ballot for the Speaker:
A number of Dems are going to Cuomo's funeral/memorial/pep rally, so
that increases the number of votes that will be needed. The vote
requirements are based on the number of people who are present and
voting.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 06, 2015 07:50 AM (eytER)"
What do you think the chances are that the Democrats will turn this funeral into another Nuremberg hate rally like they did at the funeral of Paul Wellstone?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 06, 2015 10:17 AM (PD6iL)
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That was sarcasm, right?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:17 AM (A98Xu)
As far as I know that's "the Christian view." I don't know of any Christian who denies that Christ established the Church.
Oh, since we're on the topic- has anyone read the book As A Lamb
Slain? My dad gave it to me over Christmas. It's surprisingly good for
a book which is so poorly written.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 10:07 AM (kff5f)
That Christ established "the church" is indeed not in question.
Whether the Catholic Church is that alone or in part is the question.
That a Catholic and a Protestant alike are saved is a given. Both have accepted Jesus Christ and that is what is needed.
The question is not one of what is needed for salvation, but rather, what is not needed. Among the things not needed are rote-structured prayers that we are specifically warned against, golden statues and graven images, nor any living being standing between us and the Lord. These things are superfluous, but great emphasis has been placed upon them by the Church historically, and today; why then do we ignore plainly-written Scripture telling us not to do these things?
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (9LuAk)
Can I go north of 100%?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (DT3rQ)
Follow-up question: Since an infant can neither accept Christ in a formal profession of faith, nor achieve any works of faith, does the child enter heaven forgiven of all sin?
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (fL/7/)
Posted by: LadyS at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (5dip8)
Clinic think President Obama should appoint Michelle Obama as Speaker of the House so thatwomen of color will rights unlike today because of Bush doing everything he could to hurt women of color, women of some color and women with alternative life styles.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (Sd++4)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 10:17 AM (aLfY1)
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It's not a question to me.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:19 AM (A98Xu)
The letters of Paul, John, Clement, Linus, etc. are well documented.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 10:19 AM (TETYm)
Can I go north of 100%?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (DT3rQ)
Cuomo? Who said better " Coumo than a Homo" about Ed Koch?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 10:19 AM (Zmw74)
Depending who you ask. Some of the Protestant denominations are downright arcane on the subject.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:19 AM (DT3rQ)
NOW you tell me.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 10:19 AM (C10Bt)
Cochran told me either the 20th or 27th of June. I need a long lead time because I have to provide for my own substitute here at work.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 10:20 AM (zF6Iw)
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Hoo boy, REALLY? REALLY?
You're in over your head.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:20 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:20 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Grey Fox
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Methodist.
And when I say 'in jeopardy, I mean my local congregation in a hyper-progressive community.
We are the canary, I fear. A schism over ghey marriage seems likely. The ghey mafia has mounted a non-stop offensive.
The Methodists are the second trench, I think..., if they are trampled, that will leave only the Baptists, so far as main-line Protestant denominations.
Note that I don't not comment on the Presbyterians, who seem to have already suffered a split. The Lutherans, so far as I know, have become fellow travelers of the Episcopalians.
This is all just my perspective.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 10:21 AM (vPh3W)
The books of Acts and Galatians would suggest otherwise.
In Acts, it is James (not Peter) who finally sways the Church in Jerusalem to accept the Gentiles without circumcision- if Peter had been "handed the keys of the Church" that would not have happened.
In Galatians, Paul recounts "oppos[ing] Peter to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong" another thing which would not have happened (remember that Paul was a Jew who understood the old Priesthood, too) if Peter were "the boss."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 10:21 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (Sd++4)
Your microaggressive term to describe womyn with natural and perfect desires is offensive in the extreme. Obviously you have revanchist tendencies and cannot be trusted.
Posted by: Charmaine Moonrise at January 06, 2015 10:21 AM (Zu3d9)
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A schedule would be cool. I could do research ahead of time, stock up on era-appropriate ammo, gear up properly.
That reminds me - what was that tv show that would pit historical warriors against each other? (Spartan vs Templar etc)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 10:21 AM (+dv0I)
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Isn't that where Jimmy Carter cemented his title of Complete and Total Asshole?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:21 AM (A98Xu)
The letters of Paul, John, Clement, Linus, etc. are well documented.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 10:19 AM (TETYm)
never heard of any Syrian. Any 'Roman" writing probably took it from Josephus, and the letters of Paul ect are not historical. I am not denying Jesus existed, I am pretty sure he did, just that the only semi- "Historical" account that mentions him is Jesephus
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 10:22 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: Insomniac
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* damn! that's tough choice *
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 10:22 AM (vPh3W)
"Why
does the Pope, whose wealth today is greater than the wealth of the
richest Crassus, build the Basilica of St. Peter with the money of the
poor believers rather than with his own money?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 10:14 AM (Zu3d9)
This is actually the topic that I home in on the most. o.o The discussion of what is, and is not needed in the daily life of the believer is of the greatest interest to me.
Sometimes that entails asking very direct questions, but they are never meant in an unkind way. As Ravi Zacharias said, it is a difficult and delicate task to question one's deeply-held beliefs without causing offense.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 10:22 AM (9LuAk)
SB: A sincere "Thank You" for your thoughtful answer!
~H
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 06, 2015 10:22 AM (fL/7/)
Kinley Ardal, no Catholic prays to graven images. We don't think the statue of Jesus IS Jesus. If the janitor knocks the statue over and it breaks, that doesn't mean God just died. It's just a representation: which led to some of the greatest art in Western Civilization.
If all you can think about when you look at Michelanglo's Pieta is "graven image. bad" I feel sorry for you.
Posted by: Donna V. at January 06, 2015 10:22 AM (u0lmX)
This is all just my perspective.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 10:21 AM (vPh3W)
PCA is still all right, as far as I know. PCUSA has been lost for quite some time.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:22 AM (2Ojst)
Right. Christ was a man too.
Jus' sayin'.
I can point to a website that traces the lineage of every single Catholic bishop in the world, in all of recorded history, along with the person who ordained him (by laying hands on them) all the way back to Jesus Christ himself. If you think that Christ's words to Peter don't mean anything, there's nothing I can say to change your mind. You're a literalist. That's fine. But you should not for a moment think that your answer is the only answer.
I'm not going to argue Catholic theology with someone who doesn't know any. We don't have a common basis for understanding so all we're going get is pissed off.
It took me 3 years to get to where I am in understanding the "whys" and "hows" of what is. I'm not going to be able to give you that level of background in a comment section of a blog.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Now, who has my first Manhattan of the day? Where's Nearsider?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:23 AM (JpC1K)
This is a sticky question theologically, and why the RCC has Confirmation (and used to have Limbo). I'm not even going to try wading in, as my memory of it is faulty and it feels like the RCC keeps rearranging the furniture anyway.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:23 AM (DT3rQ)
Kinley Ardal, no Catholic prays to graven images. We don't think the statue of Jesus IS Jesus. If the janitor knocks the statue over and it breaks, that doesn't mean God just died. It's just a representation: which led to some of the greatest art in Western Civilization.
If all you can think about when you look at Michelanglo's Pieta is "graven image. bad" I feel sorry for you.
Posted by: Donna V. at January 06, 2015 10:22 AM (u0lmX)
What about prayers to Mary in front of her various statuary incarnations (instoneations?)?
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:23 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: RWC at January 06, 2015 10:23 AM (iCYug)
Posted by: RWC at January 06, 2015 10:23 AM (iCYug)
Haven't made upper management yet, I see.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: RWC at January 06, 2015 10:23 AM (iCYug)
I really hope you work for the IRS
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: LadyS at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (5dip
Indeed.
That reminds me - what was that tv show that would pit historical warriors against each other? (Spartan vs Templar etc)Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 10:21 AM (+dv0I)
Deadliest Warrior.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (fwARV)
You can never go wrong by bringing a crossbow.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (C10Bt)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (4S5jY)
For those who answered my first question--thank you.
Here is a question on a personal level--I get original sin pretty much, but see a contradiction assigning that sin to a newborn. It posits to me that being born is a sin.
That's bothered me from the first time I looked at my daughters when they were baptized.
How do you square that?
Posted by: irongrampa at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (jeCnD)
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (fwARV)
That was a pretty cool show.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (2Ojst)
A 21 year old woman with a child is here for an appendectomy. It looks as though something was nicked during the operation and she is dying in the OR, hemorrhaging out blood as fast as it can be put in.
Please pray that she may be healed.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (zF6Iw)
Walker says Wisconsin's public pension plans are fully funded (I know...probably fake accounting, but still!) and are unique in the country for being so.
As a New Jersey taxpayer I am frickin' jealous as hell. You folks in Wisconsin are lucky as hell to have a governor (even a long line of governors) who aren't crooks and pay the state's debts.
Posted by: MTF at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (LISuA)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 10:21 AM (kff5f)
We've had this discussion before. That's your interpretation. It assumes that Peter did not or could not acquiesce, or that he was not moved by the Spirit to see the wisdom of James' words.
Peter was also recognized as the first among them, and that's not really in dispute even among the Apostles of the time.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:26 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Big Bad Wolf at January 06, 2015 10:26 AM (qh617)
--
Not just Catholic; Orthodox priests can also trace back St. Peter and therefore to Christ.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 10:26 AM (fDY6m)
How do you square that?
Posted by: irongrampa at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (jeCnD)
I'm no Bannion, but I'd say Original Sin is the price of our humanity. We're not perfect - by definition. Original Sin is the name we give to that inherent imperfection. Baptized infants have that sin wiped away, and are (as far as I understand it) sinless until they start screwing up on their own.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 10:26 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 10:12 AM (aLfY1)
Follow-up question: Since an infant can neither accept Christ in a
formal profession of faith, nor achieve any works of faith, does the
child enter heaven forgiven of all sin?
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (fL/7/)"
Depends on whether or not the child is predestined to be a member of the elect or whether the child is predestined to burn in Hell forever like most of the human race.
Posted by: John Calvin at January 06, 2015 10:27 AM (PD6iL)
That's bothered me from the first time I looked at my daughters when they were baptized.
How do you square that?
Posted by: irongrampa at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (jeCnD)
That's the wrong way of looking at it.
God sees all of his creation as good.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:27 AM (JpC1K)
specifically warned against, golden statues and graven images, nor any
living being standing between us and the Lord.
Well, the Our Father is a pretty structured prayer, and I'm pretty sure Protestants say that one too.
I also don't think of the crucifix as a "graven image", nor those of Mary or the Saints, but YMMV.
And I have never thought of the priest as standing "between" me and God. I do believe that the pope is the head of the Church, and that he does receive divine inspiration with regards to teachings of actual faith, but I draw the line at the social justice crapola.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 06, 2015 10:27 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 10:28 AM (fDY6m)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (fwARV)
That was a pretty cool show.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (2Ojst)
Nazi SS vs Vietcong.
SS won.
Posted by: EC at January 06, 2015 10:28 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 10:26 AM (fDY6m)
True that. I did not mean to omit our Orthodox brethren.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:28 AM (JpC1K)
Do they say the prayers in front of anything other than the statue? Yes? Then I'm not worried about the statues.
That said, it isn't exactly a secret some level of syncretism's snuck in over the course of centuries. I think a lot of folks are just privately glad people are at least being pointed in the right direction.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:28 AM (DT3rQ)
God sees all of his creation as good.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:27 AM (JpC1K)
Right up until the point he placed a curse on all of it.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:28 AM (2Ojst)
It's a fascinating topic, and obviously one of the huge issues of the world.
And I'm Jewish, so I get to sit back and watch the Papists and the Protestants beat on each other.
[You do know that all of you are wrong? ;-)]
Posted by: Charmaine Moonrise at January 06, 2015 10:29 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Chris M at January 06, 2015 10:29 AM (k3w9p)
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 10:29 AM (fDY6m)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 06, 2015 10:29 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 06, 2015 10:29 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at January 06, 2015 10:29 AM (uSAVP)
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 06, 2015 10:30 AM (ZALPg)
And with the level of knowledge that many posters bring to any topic.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 06, 2015 10:30 AM (DoX/w)
Vote for Speaker is at 12:40 or 12:45.
I'm sure someone posted it but it's hard to read here right now.
I'm turning iPad off & on again.
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2015 10:30 AM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (fwARV)
That was a pretty cool show.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:25 AM (2Ojst)
Nazi SS vs Vietcong.
SS won.
Posted by: EC at January 06, 2015 10:28 AM (GQ8sn)
Also, IRA vs Taliban. IRA won.
I often wondered exactly how they weighted their models when they ran their simulations.
Posted by: EC at January 06, 2015 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 06, 2015 10:27 AM (wtvvX)
So do most Catholics. Wait, I'm sorry, I meant to say "most Catholics who are actually Catholic and not Cafeteria Catholics"
Here, read this as a counter to what the media would like you to believe:
http://tinyurl.com/k67mjgc
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:30 AM (JpC1K)
2 c. commercial sour cream
2 c. shredded carrots
2 c. diced celery
1/4 c. chopped pimento
Carrot curls & celery fans to garnish with
In medium bowl dissolve Jello in 1 1/2 cups boiling water. Chill to thickness of egg whites. Beat on low speed until smooth. Beat in sour cream until smooth. Fold in remaining ingredients. Pour in a 1 quart mold dish. Chill until firm. Invert on plate and garnish
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at January 06, 2015 10:30 AM (uSAVP)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2015 10:28 AM (2Ojst)
::: shuffles feet :::
Ummmmm. Yeah. Sorry.
That was me actually.
Posted by: Adam at January 06, 2015 10:31 AM (JpC1K)
Lime jello, chopped apples and pecans or walnuts. Always gets eaten at the church potluck. Boom!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 06, 2015 10:31 AM (ABcz/)
And his 5 min videos on the Ten Commandments are excellent. I can listen to them over and over again and get something new.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 06, 2015 10:32 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: LadyS at January 06, 2015 10:32 AM (5dip8)
We Reformed/Augustinian/Calvinist types would say that none of these are truly necessary for salvation per se, but are merely the outward signs of God's saving grace that enables faith. In other words, God must change our sinful nature before we are capable of repentence. So, it is entirely possible for an unborn infant to be saved even if he or she is incapable of professing Christ.
Now, what God does in any given case is difficult to say.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 06, 2015 10:32 AM (aLfY1)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:23 AM (JpC1K)
Christ was the Son of God. Surely you cannot be asserting that Christ and Peter are in any way equal.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 10:34 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: dirks strewn at January 06, 2015 10:34 AM (kfcYC)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 06, 2015 10:35 AM (zF6Iw)
Actually, I do not believe in "original sin." Human nature is sinful, yes, but prior to having the ability to act contrary to one's nature, there is no guilt- strictly speaking Adam and Eve were probably "living in sin" in the Garden of Eden (God never says they *shouldn't* be ashamed at being naked, only asks who told them they were naked). Because they did not know Good from Evil until they ate of the fruit, they were nevertheless innocent.
So, too, with children. Until a child can tell the difference between Good and Evil (do right for its own sake, or doing wrong "because I want to" vs. doing right because Mom and Dad say so), he or she is innocent. At some point that lightbulb goes on and the child understands the difference. Then they become guilty of all their sins, and require salvation.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 06, 2015 10:35 AM (kff5f)
Consider before going on: God was willing to sacrifice His Son to save...us.
That should say a lot about "equal".
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:36 AM (DT3rQ)
-
That damn Hannibal had it coming!
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 06, 2015 10:36 AM (XUKZU)
BTW, all that early stuff is hard to date, it took Josephus decades to write his histories - when did he lay down the Chapters on Jesus AD70 or AD 50? He wasn't a fan, nor was Tacticus.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 10:37 AM (TETYm)
Prayers offered for 21 year old.
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2015 10:37 AM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 10:34 AM (9LuAk)
No, I did not say that.
I said he was a man. He was a man who established a Church by his own act.
A sui generis man. One man, the only man who would ever have e a completely perfect divine nature and a completely perfect human nature.
If you don't think Christ was a man, then all of Christianity falls apart. Including yours.
And I know you're not saying that Christ was not also a man.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:39 AM (JpC1K)
Thank you, SB.
Missed the forest for the trees on that.
For a LONG time.
Done with the theology for a bit, I appreciate ALL of the people who posted to me here.
Now, since it's the New Year, the committee has decreed that certain room colors are outdated/dingy and need attention.
Later.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 06, 2015 10:41 AM (jeCnD)
Kind of the price of our free will.
Posted by: votermom at January 06, 2015 10:41 AM (zW9S8)
A Methodist minister and Baptist minister are quibbling over their respective means of Baptism. The Baptist Minister insisting that only full immersion was adequate .
The Methodist Minster suggests that they use a nearby pond to study the question.
Wading waist-deep into the water, the Methodist asks the Baptist, "Is this far enough"?
"No", replies the Baptist.
The Methodist moves in deeper, until his shoulders are covered. "Is this far enough"?
"No", replies the Baptist.
The Methodist moves in deeper, and ducks until just the top of his head is above water, then rises up and asks, " Was that enough"?
"No", replies the Baptist.
Finally the Methodist completely immerses himself.
"That's good!", cries the Baptist.
"See?", says the Methodist, "I told you that it's only the top of the head that matters."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 10:42 AM (vPh3W)
Kinley Ardal, no Catholic prays to graven
images. We don't think the statue of Jesus IS Jesus. If the janitor
knocks the statue over and it breaks, that doesn't mean God just died.
It's just a representation: which led to some of the greatest art in
Western Civilization.
If all you can think about when you look at Michelanglo's Pieta is "graven image. bad" I feel sorry for you.
Posted by: Donna V. at January 06, 2015 10:22 AM (u0lmX)
Madam, I submit to you that there is no more accurate definition of what an idol is than a representation of the worshiper's god.
Art is irrelevant to the core of the issue, and whether bowing to a man-made item as part of a worship ceremony is acceptable before God, which Scripture plainly tells us, it is not.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 10:42 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 06, 2015 10:43 AM (vPh3W)
Incorrect. Definition of an idol insists that the deity reside in the representation in some specific way (see its root word "eidolon"). A representation used to focus the thoughts and prayers is not the same thing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:47 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 10:24 AM (C10Bt)"
That is not necessarily true.
Posted by: Genoese crossbow men at the Battle of Crecy at January 06, 2015 10:47 AM (PD6iL)
No, I did not say that.
I said he was a man. He was a man who established a Church by his own act.
A sui generis man. One man, the only man who would ever have e a completely perfect divine nature and a completely perfect human nature.
If you don't think Christ was a man, then all of Christianity falls apart. Including yours.
And I know you're not saying that Christ was not also a man.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 10:39 AM (JpC1K)
Not at all. The statement seemed to imply an equality between Peter and Christ. There is none, of course. That Christ wore the body of a man for a brief time, he being eternal and God, does not draw any parallel other than Christ accepted the limitations of our bodies for a time to do his work, whereas we are these bodies of ours, and have no choice about being born into them. This applies to Peter, too, who was a fallible man (as all of us are) who regarded Christ as his master (as we do).
The statement that Christ established the Church, while true, is a non sequitur in the context of this conversation. Why does the Church condone, and indeed encourage things that, throughout the Bible, we are told not to do?
Why does the Church Christ Himself set up contradict all that has gone before? Christ did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. o_O
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 10:50 AM (9LuAk)
Incorrect. Definition of an idol insists that the deity reside in
the representation in some specific way (see its root word "eidolon"). A
representation used to focus the thoughts and prayers is not the same
thing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 06, 2015 10:47 AM (DT3rQ)
This is honestly splitting a non-existent hair.The definition of an idol is an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed. Leaving even that aside, what is at stake here is the intent and directive of the command to have no graven images. Think of it like so:
The true idolater believes that his God has come to reside in the object he has built.
The Catholic believes that God does not reside in the object he has built.
The one who believes his God has taken up residence in the idol bows to worship his god before that carved image.
The Catholic who does not believe his God has taken up residence in the idol bows to worship his God before that carved image.
Both are material foci used in worship, and that is the entire point of graven images. Unnecessary, and detrimental, indeed specifically instructed against.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 11:00 AM (9LuAk)
In general, the appeals to an unstructured, Christian literalism only appear after literacy became common. Without the structure and power of an organized church, the intervening sixteen centuries would have been tough. The Jewish method of maintaining God's word in their tribal group wasn't reaching the rest of creation - that took an organization. Peter understood he wasn't a singular rock, but a cornerstone.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 11:00 AM (TETYm)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 11:04 AM (TETYm)
595
Kinely, that's the modern definition of idol, not the ancient
understanding. You are personally illustrating the problems with
literal interpretation of scripture in the thread. Thank you.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 11:04 AM (TETYm)
Am I to understand that a literal interpretation of the Word of God is a problem, rather than a boon to all mankind?
You have no frame of reference for anything in the human experience if you set yourself up to second-guess the intent of Scripture. To take this position not only robs you of any basis of comparison for a theistic debate, it makes the question of what is truth an impossibility!
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 11:17 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 11:17 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Soona at January 06, 2015 11:23 AM (vqSqm)
Kinley,
You exhibit all the self-righteous nonsense of a muslim with his Quran.
I assume that you've read all of the Gospels in their original Aramaic, Greek, Hebrew, etc.
Oh, you haven't?
Welp, so much for the literal interpretation of the Word of God.
You're just basing your interpretation 2nd or 3rd or 4th or 5th hand.
Since you've already admitted above that both the Protestant and Catholic are saved by their belief in Christ, you're argument is....what?
Sort of like you admitted that this Catholic ham sandwich is nutritious and delicious and fulfills the duty of a ham sandwich, but-
it not a "TRUE HAM SANDWICH" if it doesn't have Gorgonzola cheese on it.
You do know that there is roughly 2000 years of Biblical commentary and interpretation by the Catholic Church, don't you?
As opposed to the "Kinsley Interpretation" of what 30 years?
Since you're so hot, as stated above, to have people question their faith,
why don't you spent some time reading the religious writings of great Catholic Thinkers and Saints.
Give St Augustine a whirl.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 06, 2015 11:38 AM (0cMkb)
For the Christians: Do you believe in Jesus Christ as Lord? Do you wish to be his disciple? Are you earnestly striving after it and asking the aid of the Holy Sprit? If you can answer yes-Good Nobody wins these arguments and people who aren't Christians either shake their heads or in the case of leftist militant atheists they're rubbing their hands gleefully that the conservatives have something else to divide them. I'll say it again-The statiists/communists won't care what shingle you have out in front of your church. They won't care if you think that your church is the one holy and true church and the other guys got it all wrong. If you love your tradition-good. Love it and pray for it and pray for its members ,leaders and pastors. Pray for other Christians-that we all become closer to Christ and more conformed into his image. Because if the people who worship government and/or despise the Judeo-Christian tradition win we're either be in camps or get our heads sliced off.
Enough already please! Stop with the religious arguments Peace be with you.
And this comes from a person who has a deep appreciation for Catholicism, the Eastern Orthodox Church and Protestant traditions.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 06, 2015 11:42 AM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Donna V. at January 06, 2015 11:47 AM (u0lmX)
Since you've already admitted above that both the Protestant and
Catholic are saved by their belief in Christ, you're argument
is....what?
Posted by: naturalfake at January 06, 2015 11:38 AM (0cMkb)
Very simply this:
The question is not one of what is needed for salvation, but rather, what is not
needed. Among the things not needed are rote-structured prayers that we
are specifically warned against, golden statues and graven images, nor
any living being standing between us and the Lord. These things are
superfluous, but great emphasis has been placed upon them by the Church
historically, and today; why then do we ignore plainly-written Scripture
telling us not to do these things?
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 10:18 AM (9LuAk)
in reply to this:
Serious question: Etra Ecclesiam nula salus
True?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2015 09:37 AM (C10Bt)
Yes. BUT....
That comes with a huge caveat.
The Catholic Church teaches that this does NOT mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned.
Salvation comes through the action of the Church in the world.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 06, 2015 09:39 AM (nAmJp)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 12:01 PM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 12:04 PM (9LuAk)
You may charge that I am reading the wrong translation, but you cannot suggest that the premise itself, literal interpretation of Scripture, is anything other than exactly what God wishes. He revealed it to us. That is its purpose. He teaches, we read.
Furthermore, upon further consideration, your contention that
Sort of like you admitted that this Catholic ham sandwich is
nutritious and delicious and fulfills the duty of a ham sandwich, but-
it not a "TRUE HAM SANDWICH" if it doesn't have Gorgonzola cheese on it.
is indeed the very reason I took up the topic, in reply to the topic of "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church".
In other words, I began replying to the topic specifically in reply to the very No True Scotsman argument inquired about above, and replied to by Sean Bannion.
Put shortly, sir, you're looking at the argument in reverse.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 12:12 PM (9LuAk)
you set yourself up to second-guess the intent of Scripture.
I know man is fallible and language changes. Just within what is immediately quantifiable, on this base thread - the meaning of idolatry, it is exhibited.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 12:28 PM (TETYm)
I know man is fallible and language changes.
Just within what is immediately quantifiable, on this base thread - the
meaning of idolatry, it is exhibited.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2015 12:28 PM (TETYm) [BR]
You make this assertion while appealing to the authority of the Historical Church, and fail to see the contradiction?
Also, you shouldn't make accusations at folks about which you know nothing. o.0 Apparently this David Duke fellow is a white supremacist, which I am decidedly not.
o.0 You fail to make even the slightest bit of headway for the Lord by denigrating an honest questioner with unfounded accusations of sinfulness and degeneracy.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 06, 2015 12:50 PM (9LuAk)
Dude, you argue like a libtard.
You keep changing the goal posts, but I'll play.
You assert in argument that your interpretation is the correct one, the literal one.
Sorry, but you can't make that argument, unless and until-
you can read and translate in the original Aramaic, Greek, Hebrew, etc-
and even then, there would be other translators who would disagree with you..
At best, all you can do, is say that you prefer this 2nd or 3rd or 4th or 5th or 6th hand translation,
that some guy presented you with.
Which is fine...but you want your preferences recognized as the universal truth-
so the Ham Sandwich analogy still applies.
By the way, this 'literal interpretation - literal Word of God" nonsense has never and I repeat never been accepted by main stream Christianity-
the Bible has always been understood to be written by men inspired by God but not God's literal words.
That's why there has always been a bit of wiggle room in all denominations of Christianity.
I suspect you would find a better home in islam where the Koran is the literal word of Allah and you could give free rein to your prejudices.
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AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)