Saturday Morning Politics Thread: Energy Issues [Y-not]

It's baaack!

Well, after a several week long hiatus, let's resume our assessment of the 2016 GOP prospects. For those joining us late, after several several weeks reviewing some of the names commonly floated for the 2016 GOP primary, our highly-unscientific polling of the AoSHQ horde resulted in a list of seven folks of interest to many of us. (Recall that a couple of months ago I decided to replace Trey Gowdy, who polls well with the horde but shows no signs of running, with Mike Pence, the governor of Indiana whose name has begun to surface.)

For those just joining us, we did review candidates like Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, and others, but they didn't make the cut with the horde. (Neither did Rand Paul, Ben Carson, or Sarah Palin, so please don't complain about their absence from this series.) Obviously, there's a good chance that several of those politicians will run -- but our goal here is to identify which prospective candidates conservatives could support.

In short: I want us to feel comfortable with as many of these conservatives as possible so that when the time comes we can throw our united support behind one of them and defeat Jeb or whichever "moderate" pick the Establishment folks want.

Recall that a few weeks ago we started looking at these politicians' positions on various issues, starting with Common Core. That assessment revealed that most of the candidates we're interested in are against it. I think it's fair to say that Rick Perry has been the leader in this particular issue, having withdrawn Texas from consideration very early on. Most of the others have followed suit, except for Gov. Susana Martinez, who supports it, and Gov. Mike Pence, who has tried to walk a tightrope between rejecting it while retaining Federal education dollars.

As a reminder, Jeb Core, the GOPe's current darling, supports Common Core. (Marco Rubio, another favorite with the Smart Set, opposes it.) Chris Christie initially supported it, but has since then issued an Executive Order to review it. Mitt Romney has come out against Common Core, while supporting federal dollars for low-income and special needs students (that comprise roughly half of all students, according to Romney).

So this week, I'd like to review Energy Policies.

One way to assess these politicians is to see what the politicians themselves are touting either via their own press releases or through their interviews and actions.

For example, last August Governor Scott Walker (WI) announced "$900,000 in grants to support the new Energy Innovation Center in Milwaukee, a facility expected to solidify the region's role as leader in the energy, power, and control industry." On a more practical, immediate level, Walker has issued several executive orders relaxing regulations in response to declared states of emergency pertaining to energy needs in his state. Walker supports fracking and has (not surprisingly) taken some heat for that. And, he supports the Keystone pipeline. He also has been blamed (or credited, depending on your point of view!) for Wisconsin's de-emphasis of energy efficiency mandates and incentives.

Early last year Senator Ted Cruz (TX) came out strongly in support not just of Keystone, but of a broader pro-energy policies. More recently, he decried the "land grab" in the National Defense Authorization Act which Boehner's House passed last month. According to Heritage, the bill "would lead to more government ownership of America's land and more restrictive land-use policies that prohibit energy development and economic activity." Needless to say, Think Progress thinks he's the Devil, so I guess he's hated on both the Left and the Squishy Right. LOL.

Unsurprisingly, Governor Rick Perry (TX) has made energy policy a top concern in his administration. He has also been one of the most vocal - and active - opponents of Obama's wildly out of control EPA. As a prospective POTUS candidate, there is little doubt that the attacks from the Left will try to paint him as anti-environment, so his challenge will be to try to deliver a positive message about the compatibility of energy exploration, jobs, and environmental health. Obviously, he has received criticism from the left for being a "climate change denier." Here's what NPR has to say about Perry's record.

Governor Bobby Jindal (LA) is another governor from an "energy state." Red State recently outlined his energy plan. Dan McLaughlin writes: "When I pressed him on a blogger conference call on Tuesday on how his plan differs from the McCain and Romney energy plans, he noted that there were some specific new ideas, like allowing wind and solar power companies to use the master limited partnership format now used by many oil and gas companies, but argued that what has really changed is the facts on the ground and the growing need for a new direction in energy policy away from that embraced by Obama." You'll recall that Jindal went toe-to-toe with Obama in 2010 after the Deepwater Horizon spill, much to the annoyance of Mother Jones. So he, like Perry, has made the right enemies.

Earlier this year, Governor Nikki Haley (SC) signed what was described as a "landmark bill" to ease restrictions on solar power. According to the report: "Haley's support for sun power also is significant because the governor has been criticized by conservation groups for failing to pay attention to environmental issues, and at times, blasting federal environmental regulations. Two months ago, Haley criticized federal carbon rules proposed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to address climate change." Haley has been a vocal critic of the EPA.

Sacred honor compels me to say that I hope Haley considers throwing her hat in the ring for the 2016 Presidential election.

Governor Susana Martinez (NM) seems to have gained quite a few enemies in environmental circles for her part in repealing (and replacing) the so-called "pit rule" in New Mexico. "The rule, which regulates oil and gas drilling waste pits, sumps and below-grade tanks, has been a source of contention between the industry and environmentalists, who have criticized Gov. Susana Martinez for siding with the view that regulations are too stringent, a position she took while campaigning for office." She also recently presided over the ribbon cutting for the gas company Praxair, which expanded in her state. That said, New Mexico joined a number of other states, including California, New York, and Oregon, in supporting the EPA's right to regulate carbon dioxide emissions. (The move was in response to a lawsuit filed by coal giant Murray Energy.) Overall, it appears her record is a bit mixed. I found a lot of attacks on Gov. Martinez from environmentalists, which I suppose it not surprising given that New Mexico is a purple state.

Governor Mike Pence (IN) ties his energy policies tightly to Indiana's jobs, particularly in manufacturing. The Indiana legislature recently ended state mandates for increased energy efficiency. Governor Pence also penned a tough column criticizing the EPA over its anti-coal policies.


This might also be somewhat informative (at least in terms of assessing the governors under consideration), it's a comparison of the state-imposed energy taxes/fees courtesy of the American Petroleum Institute:

GasolineTaxes.jpg

Gasoline taxes: RED=Greater than 49.5 cents; BLUE=40.0-49.5 cents; YELLOW=Less than 40.0 cents (National average=49.28 cents)

DieselTax.jpg

Diesel taxes: RED=greater than 54.8 cents; BLUE=47-54.8 cents; YELLOW=less than 47 cents (National average=55.15 cents

**UPDATE: An alert reader asked for information about ethanol subsidies. Here's Ballotpedia on "Agriculture" issues, that includes a bit about ethanol. Chris Christie is for them, Rick Perry is against them, and Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and Rand Paul voted to limit farm subsidies. If you have info on the others, please put it in the comments.**

So that's a quick survey of the candidates we're considering. It's by no means exhaustive, but I tried to hit the highlights of their recent records. What do you think of them?

Also, do you think that the recent drop in gasoline prices makes energy a less important issue for 2016 or do you think the broader issues of the economy, Federal land control, and "environmentalism" still make it relevant?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:30 AM




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1 Now that we've rehashed all of the failures of the GOP since November 2014, let us begin speculating on how we are going to be betrayed by the GOP in 2016. We will omit 2015 because they have already betrayed us.




Ah, sweet misery! How I love it! It makes the old Outrage Outlet humm like a great big humming thing!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Learn Rantin', Ravin', and Ragetwitchin' at the Outrage Outlet! at January 03, 2015 09:28 AM (g+akU)

2 Whoa, a first on Saturday morning. Things are looking up.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Learn Rantin', Ravin', and Ragetwitchin' at the Outrage Outlet! at January 03, 2015 09:28 AM (g+akU)

3 Dare a hat trick?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Learn Rantin', Ravin', and Ragetwitchin' at the Outrage Outlet! at January 03, 2015 09:29 AM (g+akU)

4 Where is everybody?

Is this blog on?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Learn Rantin', Ravin', and Ragetwitchin' at the Outrage Outlet! at January 03, 2015 09:29 AM (g+akU)

5 That's the spirit, Mikey! lol

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:29 AM (9BRsg)

6 Maybe they don't want to leave the adorable baby pictures!

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:31 AM (9BRsg)

7 I was told there would be no thinking required on a Saturday thread.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 03, 2015 09:31 AM (Kr/1Z)

8 Sacred honor compels me to say that I hope Haley considers throwing her hat in the ring for the 2016 Presidential election.


You just want to see someone with a nice set of tits running.



In NC's defense on the gas tax. NC has more state mantained roads than any other state except Texas, which is four times a big as NC.



NC state maintains almost all the roads in the state. Most states make the local government maintain the roads in their jurisdiction,

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:32 AM (0FSuD)

9 I was told there would be no thinking required on a Saturday thread.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 03, 2015 09:31 AM (Kr/1Z)


What does thinking have to do with politics? Emote, man, emote - revenge, hope, greed, pride, and revenge!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Learn Rantin', Ravin', and Ragetwitchin' at the Outrage Outlet! at January 03, 2015 09:33 AM (g+akU)

10 I was pretty low on gas this morning. Filled it up for less than $20. Man that was nice.

Posted by: HH at January 03, 2015 09:33 AM (Ce4DF)

11 You don't even have to "think". NC, KY, WVA and FLA re the only WTF I have to offer.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:34 AM (16bOT)

12 In NC's defense on the gas tax. NC has more state mantained roads than
any other state except Texas, which is four times a big as NC.
---

Yeah, I just tossed that gas tax up there to have some other sort of data, but it's not necessarily "fair" to blame the governors or even to say that the gas taxes are "bad."

That said, I think Utah's gas taxes are too high for what we get in terms of govt service.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:34 AM (9BRsg)

13 @10

I use to fill up at Costco every time I went, but now the price keeps going down everyday, so no need to fill up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:34 AM (0FSuD)

14 See, people are lurking, they just wanted to give folks a couple of minutes to post on the topic at hand before mentioning bewbs. Nip Sip has graciously moved us into phase two with that transitional posting.

Posted by: PabloD at January 03, 2015 09:34 AM (roESk)

15 Governor Walker also supports mining in the northern part of the state, causing the vapors amongst the
"environmentalists".

Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2015 09:35 AM (dFi94)

16 As an aside, my father was delighted (not) to report that his PA gas taxes jumped ten cents per gallon on the first.


The argument was that due to the high cost of gasoline, consumption was down, so tax intake was down.
So they needed to increase the amount collected per gallon to offset the reduced consumption.

Then prices dropped, and people were traveling and buying more gas, causing an increase in tax revenue. A very large increase in revenue.

So the State raised the tax anyhow, because with prices so low, people could afford it.

And now, I return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of politicians.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 03, 2015 09:35 AM (Kr/1Z)

17 It's been decided.



Walker/Perry 2016



Let's stop talking about it and get to work.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:37 AM (0FSuD)

18 "Used to..."

I understand why that's not entirely clear, so there's that.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:37 AM (16bOT)

19 I'm lowering the gas prices to silence you serfs. You're welcome.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at January 03, 2015 09:37 AM (QWiro)

20 Let's stop talking about it and get to work.


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:37 AM (0FSuD)


Wait - what about the months of calumny? We have to have that - it's a tradition.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Learn Rantin', Ravin', and Ragetwitchin' at the Outrage Outlet! at January 03, 2015 09:38 AM (g+akU)

21 "I'm lowering the gas prices to silence you serfs. You're welcome."
-Posted by: Barry Soetoro at January 03, 2015 09:37 AM (QWiro)

You had nothing to do with it, and you'll Sit there, Take it, Pipe it and Like it.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:39 AM (16bOT)

22 My overall impression from my assessment... which is by no means exhaustive or anything... is that they're all pretty good on energy issues, even Martinez. But she seems to be under the most pressure from environmental groups and has the least support from her state. In theory, Perry and Jindal should have an advantage over the others simply b/c of the nature of their states, but it looks like all of them have rolled back some bad regulations, so that's good.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:39 AM (9BRsg)

23 Well, the holidays are almost over. Next week everyone will be back to the grind.



For some reason, everyone that had a car was riding around Friday. PO packed, grocery store, packed, gas stations, packed.



What was that all about?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:39 AM (0FSuD)

24 >>Let's stop talking about it and get to work.

Which one is getting the tit transplant?

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:39 AM (9BRsg)

25 "What was that all about?"

Here, everyone was at Wal-Mart.

Everyone.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 03, 2015 09:41 AM (Kr/1Z)

26 24 >>Let's stop talking about it and get to work.

Which one is getting the tit transplant?
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:39 AM (9BRsg)



Walker has got some balding going on at the crown of his head. So breasts might be kinda weird.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2015 09:41 AM (dFi94)

27 Thanks for the post Y-Not. A lot of work I'm sure considering all the links and content. I hope Walker can get some traction. Regardless, it will be an uphill battle against the GOPe candidates.

Good point on the NC highways Nip. I used to win some bets on that bit of trivia. Folks would say "No way". Then I would whip out my NC map on which I would collect. IIRC NC has only recently been surpassed by TX.


Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 03, 2015 09:42 AM (8ufJT)

28 @25

I guess everyone had off Friday, except the poor store clerks, and they were bored so they all went shopping. Costco was more crowded Friday that before Christmas.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:42 AM (0FSuD)

29 "So breasts might be kinda weird."

If they're real perky, nobody will notice the bald spot.


Just sayin'

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 03, 2015 09:42 AM (Kr/1Z)

30 "Walker has got some balding going on at the crown of his head. So breasts might be kinda weird."
-Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2015 09:41 AM (dFi94)

From the map, Christie has some popular tits.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:43 AM (16bOT)

31
Governor Walker also supports mining in the northern part of the state, causing the vapors amongst the

"environmentalists".
---

Thanks for that information, grammie. I thought Walker looked pretty darned good in my review of his policies and actions.

Some of you should check out Mike Pence's website (one of the links) with his Energy Policy. On the one hand, I liked that it had almost a "business plan" approach. On the other, it was highly unreadable and sucked balls. Reminded me of Paul Ryan's stuff. If that's how Pence talks with his constituents, I don't see him being much of a national campaigner. Just my gut reaction.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:43 AM (9BRsg)

32 Current gas prices are nice, but I don't think anyone who has been driving a car for at least ten years is ever going to forget energy as an issue. What goes down can come up. That sounded wrong, but you know what I mean!

Posted by: Emily at January 03, 2015 09:43 AM (7Rn+/)

Posted by: irongrampa at January 03, 2015 09:44 AM (jeCnD)

34 At this point I am more interested in what, if anything, the Republican Majority will do in the House and Senate than any "Presidential" bullshit yet. First things FIRST

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2015 09:45 AM (Zmw74)

35 I think it's crazy not to include Rand Paul in the poll. He is much more likely to make it to the general election than some of the lower tier like Bobby Jindal. Some may not like him, but removing him from the discussion seems shortsighted.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 03, 2015 09:45 AM (VRc/p)

36 Anyone here use home heating oil? What's it doing in terms of prices?

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:45 AM (9BRsg)

37 Thank God Irongrampa has decided to stop by!

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:45 AM (16bOT)

38
Thank the cat for his opinion.


Mine is Walker or Perry--both satisfy my deal breaker requirements on gun control.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 03, 2015 09:45 AM (jeCnD)

39 Energy will always be an issue.

In the meantime more Bald Eagles have been killed by windmills, then American citizens have been killed by nuclear power generation.


But hey, birds don't vote!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 03, 2015 09:46 AM (Kr/1Z)

40 @27

I use to also win bets. People have no idea NC is so wide, over 700 miles.


It costs a shit lot more to build I-40 across the Mt than it did to build it through OK. Those swamps in the NE of the state are not too easy to build roads through either.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:46 AM (0FSuD)

41 Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 03, 2015 09:45 AM (VRc/p)

Not crazy. Few here like him. Click on the first link.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 03, 2015 09:47 AM (8ufJT)

42 Ethanol subsidies? Might that be important?

Posted by: Immolate at January 03, 2015 09:47 AM (/Tq1J)

43 Our souls aren't dead yet. I.G. is now our "Canary in the Coal-Mine".

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:47 AM (16bOT)

44 34 At this point I am more interested in what, if anything, the Republican Majority will do in the House and Senate than any "Presidential" bullshit yet. First things FIRST
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2015 09:45 AM (Zmw74)


Yeah, same here. I am bloody sick and tired of these two-year campaigns. By the time the election rolls around, even supporters are tired of seeing and hearing the candidates. I can only imagine the effect on LIVs.

Posted by: rickl at January 03, 2015 09:48 AM (sdi6R)

45 Bobby Jindal is nice and all, but seems very regional in his appeal

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 03, 2015 09:48 AM (Cq0oW)

46 Hey Jeb, how come Florida is red on those maps?

Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 09:49 AM (1vYi0)

47 45
Bobby Jindal is nice and all, but seems very regional in his appeal

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 03, 2015 09:48 AM (Cq0oW)

Well, he's rather clean cut and he doesn't speak with a Negro accent.

Posted by: Harry Reid, Pederast at January 03, 2015 09:49 AM (0FSuD)

48 I think it's crazy not to include Rand Paul in the
poll. He is much more likely to make it to the general election than
some of the lower tier like Bobby Jindal. Some may not like him, but
removing him from the discussion seems shortsighted.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 03, 2015 09:45 AM (VRc/p)
---He really didn't poll well here.I do realize he may run. So will Christie and Jeb. But I don't want to spend a lot of time digging through records of people that the bulk of the horde are not too serious about and I really don't want these threads to be arguing about them.I'm doing Pence because is starting to pop up on the lists and in theory he's supposed to be conservative. I am trying to figure out if he's a RINO. And I'm doing Martinez simply b/c she's a woman Latina governor who won re-election handily whom I think might pop up as a VP option.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:51 AM (9BRsg)

49 We don't have these problems in France.

Posted by: Johnny Derp at January 03, 2015 09:51 AM (QWiro)

50
We will not discuss Rand Paul! He supports pot!


Pot!

Posted by: #queef of the year at January 03, 2015 09:51 AM (/Koda)

51 "Hey Jeb, how come Florida is red on those maps?"
-Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 09:49 AM (1vYi0)

Second Look at Me?

-Crispy Creme.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:51 AM (16bOT)

52 @48

Good points Y-Not

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:52 AM (0FSuD)

53 >>Ethanol subsidies? Might that be important?

Sure. Do you have a link(s) that summarizes where they stand on that?

It was challenging cobbling together what these folks have done, but I may have missed a really good resource.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:54 AM (9BRsg)

54 Well, shit it's 10:00 and I am still sitting here drinking my breakfast wine.


Time to get up a go, big Panther's game this afternoon.


BBL

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 09:54 AM (0FSuD)

55
Anyway, that will be my 2 cents for the morning.

Christmas lights have to come down, and there's a very narrow window to do it in, this aft says snow.

Stay safe and warm.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 03, 2015 09:55 AM (jeCnD)

56 g'mornin', 'rons

I just $1.819 @ Sam's just outside The Peoples' Republik of AnnArbor this morning

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 03, 2015 09:56 AM (4gN5w)

57 The EPA rules on oil and gas well methane emissions is bullshit. Methane is quickly broken down by solar ultraviolet light. Anyone that's taken Organic Chemistry knows that; it's always covered in the first semester.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 03, 2015 09:57 AM (ksPsw)

58 "It was challenging cobbling together what these folks have done, but I may have missed a really good resource."
-Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:54 AM (9BRsg)

http://congress.freedomworks.org/

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:57 AM (16bOT)

59 You too, I.G.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 09:58 AM (16bOT)

60
As of the last day of
2014, total US debt soared by $98 billion in one day (driven again by
Social Security debt surging on the last day of the month to a record
$5.117 trillion), and closing off 2014 with a new all time high total of
$18.141 trillion in Federal debt -- an increase of $136 billion in the month of December and $790 billion for all of 2014.



... raped again, so much for the $454 billion deficit figure

Posted by: #RapeCulture at January 03, 2015 09:58 AM (e8kgV)

61 Forget it Jake. It's politics.

Posted by: Lester Failsworth Jr at January 03, 2015 09:58 AM (lvv47)

62 I found a lot of attacks on Gov. Martinez from environmentalists, which I
suppose it not surprising given that New Mexico is a purple state.


No, it's because she's a Republican, and furthermore, a Hispanic Female Republican. They would attack her even if her policies came straight from the NRDC handbook.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 03, 2015 09:58 AM (9GG/0)

63 7
I was told there would be no thinking required on a Saturday thread.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

So, do like me and veg.

21
"I'm lowering the gas prices to silence you serfs. You're welcome."

-Posted by: Barry Soetoro at January 03, 2015 09:37 AM (QWiro)



You had nothing to do with it, and you'll Sit there, Take it, Pipe it and Like it.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T)

Barry is always taking it, Reggie, Mooch, ValJar et all pound him.

Personally, anything from IL is suspect.
My preference is a Cruz/Perry ticket but I'll support any conservative.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something... at January 03, 2015 09:59 AM (baiNQ)

64 "Diesel taxes: RED=greater than 54.8 cents; BLUE=47-54.8 cents; YELLOW=less than 47 cents (National average=55.15 cents"

Forget it Jake. It's mathematics.

Posted by: Lester Failsworth Jr at January 03, 2015 10:00 AM (lvv47)

65 So I updated with a link to Ballotpedia that has some summaries re the ethanol thing, but it's not a complete list. If you have more information about them, let me know.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:00 AM (9BRsg)

66 I found a lot of attacks on Gov. Martinez from environmentalists,

Which is an endorsement for me.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 03, 2015 10:00 AM (8ufJT)

67 Ow! My face!

Posted by: You Know Who at January 03, 2015 10:02 AM (e3bId)

68 >>Time to get up a go, big Panther's game this afternoon.

That sounds fun! Good luck for your team!

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:03 AM (9BRsg)

69 "Well, shit it's 10:00 and I am still sitting here drinking my breakfast wine."



The picture's starting to come together now.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:03 AM (4WGfY)

70 Rand Paul, as a matter of fact all the Pauls, will sink the Republican party.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2015 10:03 AM (Zmw74)

71 Nice state you have here, Y-not. The inversion over SLC is teh suck, and the mormons are odd, but the mountains are pretty.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts etc. at January 03, 2015 10:04 AM (myLs7)

72 >>http://congress.freedomworks.org/

Yeah, but most of these folks are Governors.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:04 AM (9BRsg)

73 "I found a lot of attacks on Gov. Martinez from environmentalists,
Which is an endorsement for me.
"
-Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 03, 2015 10:00 AM (8ufJT)

Bill O-Really: "Why do you like Ted Cruz?"

Dennis Miller: "All the right people 'hate him'. Pelosi, Obama, Reid, etc. If you can't like a guy for that, what can you like?"

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:05 AM (16bOT)

74
I was pretty low on gas this morning. Filled it up for less than $20. Man that was nice.


Posted by: HH at January 03, 2015 09:33 AM (Ce4DF)
Yeah, this is one of the most important "pocketbook" issues after income. Low gas prices lead to people feeling better about their own situation and the economy. I am guessing that is one of the reasons Obama's economic ratings have been low. I'd expect a bump up, even though he has nothing to do with it. Heck, he's for things that will actually drive the price up. Doesn't matter.If prices remain low through 2016, Dems, with the help of the willing media, will take credit.
So yeah, energy is always an important issue, good times and bad.

Posted by: duke at January 03, 2015 10:05 AM (enhDu)

75 Probably the best resource are environmental groups who are screaming about politicians who dare to buck the trend re global warming, fossil fuels, etc.

But, hey, I'm rusty! It was a long holiday!

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:05 AM (9BRsg)

76 "Nice state you have here, Y-not."


Yes, it is. Only been twice and never made east of SLC up in the mountains either time.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:06 AM (4WGfY)

77 >>Which is an endorsement for me.

Same here.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:06 AM (9BRsg)

78 if energy independence for the USA is important why would we want to build a pipeline to export North American oil to the world market? Right now midwestern refiners are the only customers for that crap and they can demand and get a 30% discount from the world market price.
Who will benefit from the pipedream ? Not me and not you

Posted by: righter at January 03, 2015 10:06 AM (5K5tG)

79 Well, I read a bit of it. Don't know if it was enough to get the general gist of it but...

Looking at issues can be good, especially if actions to back up rhetoric can be identified. On the other hand, I don't care what % of issues you've gotten right, there are some that are deal killers. Get one of those wrong and...
I would urge you to look at associations and memberships. I know most of you don't set any store in that kind of stuff. A lot of you who don't have also been surprised over the years when "our side" hasn't acted like "our side."

Also on the gas tax thing, how many of the people you're looking at, taking into account various restrictions on being able to do something, have been in a position to get it right.

Save your criticism of all that until we get a bigger print thread or I won't see it.

Love each other fellow babies.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at January 03, 2015 10:08 AM (XHihg)

80 The lake is eerie, though. Wouldn't want to be alone in a boat silently gliding over that much deadness.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts etc. at January 03, 2015 10:09 AM (myLs7)

81 The inversion over SLC is teh suck, and the mormons are odd, but the mountains are pretty.
---

Yeah, the inversion is a frustration. It's less bad in Utah County. And I really do think some of what looks like "pollution" is dust. Very dry here and lots of open mining. At least it never smells bad!

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:09 AM (9BRsg)

82 ..."Love each other fellow babies."
-Posted by: teej says go K-State at January 03, 2015 10:08 AM (XHihg)

I've always found that to be a weird statement. I'm not a baby!

*pounds on crib with rattle*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:10 AM (16bOT)

83 >>Save your criticism of all that until we get a bigger print thread or I won't see it.


That margins got blown? They look ok on my phone. I thought I kept the images small enough. I can re-size.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:11 AM (9BRsg)

84 Forget it Jake. It's economics.

Posted by: Lester Failsworth Jr at January 03, 2015 10:11 AM (lvv47)

85 Oh dear lord ... Perry is simply a non-viable candidate. The lefties would love him as much as we would love it if fauxahontas ran. We should encourage fauxahontas to run by the way.

Please, dear God, do not give this as the choice. I want to win in 2016.

Posted by: V Putin at January 03, 2015 10:14 AM (80GjT)

86 So....what movie is this?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:14 AM (Zu3d9)

87 Since "environmental" issues are linked to energy ones, here's a link to the League of Conservation Voters' scorecards:

http://scorecard.lcv.org/


Link also in nick for you phone ppl.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:14 AM (9BRsg)

88 The road conditions here in NC are the best of any State I've spent any significant time driving in. Potholes are very rare, construction projects (except whatever the hell they are doing down by Charlotte) seem to start and get finished quickly, and the highways are wide, plenty of lanes. Drawbacks are that my City has virtually no sidewalks in residential areas, and the lane markings are a bit arbitrary, with lots of center, turn both ways only, lanes that take a while to get used to.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2015 10:16 AM (2cS/G)

89 "So....what movie is this?"
-Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:14 AM (Zu3d9)

It is more of a "filmstrip".

-Energy and You.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:16 AM (16bOT)

90 75
Probably the best resource are environmental groups who are screaming
about politicians who dare to buck the trend re global warming, fossil
fuels, etc.

But, hey, I'm rusty! It was a long holiday!


Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:05 AM (9BRsg)


I normally agree with you, but here I don't think that's right. Environmental groups are just leftists in not-so-thin disguise. They will attack Republicans regardless of their environmental record. It says nothing at all about what the Republicans actually believe.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 03, 2015 10:16 AM (9GG/0)

91 @56 My wife filled up in Canton at $1.91/gal or so. Meijer I think.

Posted by: V Putin at January 03, 2015 10:16 AM (80GjT)

92 Second Look at Me?
-Crispy Creme.




No. You don't even let folks pump their own gas.

Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 10:17 AM (1vYi0)

93 Here's a link saying Scott Walker opposes ethanol subsidies.

"Most recently, the argument regarding small-engine compatibility was
used by Wisconsin governor Scott Walker to explain why, unlike the rest
of the governors in the corn-growing Midwest, he would not support the
ethanol industry in their efforts to be heard in the RFS debate."

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:18 AM (9BRsg)

94 Common Core, we want to teach readin' rightin' and 'rithmet.

Forget it Jake, it's all a lie.

Posted by: Lester Failsworth Jr at January 03, 2015 10:19 AM (lvv47)

95 Well, yeah, chemjeff. The vitriol directed at Martinez who to me so far seems to be a fairly "moderate" Republican is wackadoo.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:20 AM (9BRsg)

96 "No. You don't even let folks pump their own gas."
-Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 10:17 AM (1vYi0)

Shut up.

If you're here to ask a question, ask the question.

You're not even from the shore.

You don't even belong here.

Come Back When You've Got Something, Punk!

-Crispy Creme

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:20 AM (16bOT)

97 Something that has stuck me in the past few weeks...

By 2016 the most important trait for President may be the ability to stare down Russians or Chinese.

Who would you want in office if China invades Taiwan?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 03, 2015 10:21 AM (8ufJT)

98 95 Well, yeah, chemjeff. The vitriol directed at Martinez who to me so far seems to be a fairly "moderate" Republican is wackadoo.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:20 AM (9BRsg)

The left is beyond ideas. The left has come down to "Republicans are evil". Moderate, conservative, doesn't matter.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 03, 2015 10:22 AM (9GG/0)

99 "Who would you want in office if China invades Taiwan?"


Jackie Chan......?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:23 AM (4WGfY)

100 "his challenge will be to deliver a positive message"

Jake, you have to reach down and grab them by their pleasure center and make them feel good. Facts don't matter, logic doesn't matter, evidence doesn't matter. They have to feel it, and then they cry 'rape' because you didn't give them what they want.

Posted by: Lester Failsworth Jr at January 03, 2015 10:23 AM (lvv47)

101 ..."Who would you want in office if China invades Taiwan?"
-Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 03, 2015 10:21 AM (8ufJT)

I assume "Zombie Ronald Reagan" is not an answer?

...I'll need more time to think.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:23 AM (16bOT)

102 "Who would you want in office if China invades Taiwan?"

Brian Dennehy

Posted by: chemjeff at January 03, 2015 10:23 AM (9GG/0)

103 Y-not, just wanted to say that I have really appreciated these candidate posts that you do. A ton of work and a great service.
Re Rand Paul, who are the millennials going to support (other than the dem, I mean). I'm told that freedom from surveillance and internet freedom in general is a huge issue in that group, and Rand Paul owns that so far.

Posted by: Emily at January 03, 2015 10:24 AM (7Rn+/)

104 I don't plan on voting. Unless it's Allen West (4th ID Steadfast and Loyal, HOOAH!).

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:24 AM (OsWis)

105 Too soon for me.

Wake me up in 12 months.

Posted by: eman at January 03, 2015 10:24 AM (MQEz6)

106 I fucking kid you not. I will kick in doors to get his ass elected.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:25 AM (OsWis)

107 "Jackie Chan......?"
-Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:23 AM (4WGfY)

Ridiculous. Simply ridiculous.

...that guy is also some sort of Socialist, if I recall. i was joking, but ...no.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:25 AM (16bOT)

108 78 if energy independence for the USA is important why would we want to build a pipeline to export North American oil to the world market? Right now midwestern refiners are the only customers for that crap and they can demand and get a 30% discount from the world market price.
Who will benefit from the pipedream ? Not me and not you
Posted by: righter at January 03, 2015 10:06 AM (5K5tG)


Oh man, just say it. You know you want to. Tool.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 03, 2015 10:25 AM (MbqmP)

109
Rand Paul, as a matter of fact all the Pauls, will sink the Republican party.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2015 10:03 AM (Zmw74)

Its pretty well sunk, dude.

Posted by: #queef of the year at January 03, 2015 10:25 AM (/Koda)

110 "78
if energy independence for the USA is important why would we want to
build a pipeline to export North American oil to the world market?
Right now midwestern refiners are the only customers for that crap and
they can demand and get a 30% discount from the world market price.

Who will benefit from the pipedream ? Not me and not you

Posted by: righter at January 03, 2015 10:06 AM (5K5tG)"

The Keystone XL pipeline transports oil to the Gulf Coast where most of the refining capacity of the United States is located. There is already an infrastructure of pipelines that transport the refined products all over the United States from the Gulf Coast refineries. This benefits all Americans.


Until the pipeline is completed, the only people who benefit from oil made from Canadian oil sands are the people of Chicago who gave Barack Obama his start in politics.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 03, 2015 10:25 AM (PD6iL)

111 "I fucking kid you not. I will kick in doors to get his ass elected."
-Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:25 AM (OsWis)

No you won't. Settle down, Beavis.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:26 AM (16bOT)

112 You don't even let folks pump their own gas.

Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 10:17 AM (1vYi0)

He inherited that law.

But it's based on some bullshit health calculations. It's insanity.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:26 AM (Zu3d9)

113 In general so far I'm thinking Martinez may be too "moderate" for my tastes, but I will say it impresses me that she actually ran on repealing the "pit rule" and then did it. That shows me something, especially in a purple state.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:26 AM (9BRsg)

114 That sounds fun! Good luck for your team!


Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:03 AM (9BRsg)

Thanks, we are favored, but I usually take that to be a bad sign.
I really think we are going to kick ass. The team is on steroids or something. They lost like five in a row and now have won three in a row. They beat the shit out of the Falcoons. Ass whopping.
AZ is playing with a second string QB. The town is fucking on fire. 1000 people showed up in the rain last night for a pep rally.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:27 AM (0FSuD)

115



It's all about that bass base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk

~Meghan Trainor

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 03, 2015 10:27 AM (IXrOn)

116 Slap. Yes I would.

And he has a HUGE following in CenTex.

So kiss my ass.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:27 AM (OsWis)

117 Allen West.....

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:24 AM (OsWis)

I like him....a lot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:28 AM (Zu3d9)

118
But it's based on some bullshit health Union calculations. It's insanity.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:26 AM (Zu3d9)


FIFY

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:28 AM (0FSuD)

119 "But it's based on some bullshit health calculations."


Oregon's got (had) a similar law. Pattern there may be.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:28 AM (4WGfY)

120 @115

Someone else posted that a week or so. It's cute as shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:29 AM (0FSuD)

121 -Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 03, 2015 10:27 AM (IXrOn)

Thanks for putting that shit in my head.

*releases the cockroaches*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:29 AM (16bOT)

122 121,

ahahahahahahaha!!!

All over YOU!

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:30 AM (OsWis)

123 ..."So kiss my ass."
-Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:27 AM (OsWis)

Negative, Ghostrider. The Pattern is Full.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:30 AM (16bOT)

124 Re Rand Paul, who are the millennials going to support (other than the
dem, I mean). I'm told that freedom from surveillance and internet
freedom in general is a huge issue in that group, and Rand Paul owns
that so far.
---

It's weird, though. I interact with a lot of young people b/c of our university connection - and I'm in Utah - but when I ask about it, they don't seem to care.

I think Rand has a very passionate core of supporters, some (not all) of whom he inherited from his dad. And it's clear that the GOP establishment is trying to stay on Rand's good side b/c they think he'll deliver the youth vote. But I just am not convinced that the numbers are going to be that significant.

And, really, I don't think I could vote for Rand.

Old fogeys do vote. Not sure young people do.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:31 AM (9BRsg)

125 Wish me love, a Wishing Well
-To Kiss and Tell.
A Wishing Well of crocodile tears.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:31 AM (16bOT)

126 *eyes Slap*

Nah. I'll behave.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:32 AM (OsWis)

127 *whistles*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:32 AM (16bOT)

128 It's all about that [strike]bass[/strike] base.

Fundamental?

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 03, 2015 10:33 AM (MbqmP)

129 Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:28 AM (0FSuD)

They're not unionized.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:35 AM (Zu3d9)

130 Even as a Libertarian, I have abandoned Rand Paul.

He can go "Vice", but he cannot be my President.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:35 AM (16bOT)

131 @115

Holy shit that song has 456 million hits.


It's good. Who directs that shit, I mean what a show

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:35 AM (0FSuD)

132 The Washington Post provides a real belly laugh with their ...

There's just no explaining 2014

Posted by: #RapeCulture at January 03, 2015 10:36 AM (e8kgV)

133 ENERGY POLICY:

Let's let 'energy' across the border and not 'illegal immigrants'

Posted by: Ted Cruz at January 03, 2015 10:38 AM (e8kgV)

134 Old fogeys do vote. Not sure young people do.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:31 AM (9BRsg)

And absent some startling new issue or galvanizing personality, I doubt that the youth vote will approach what it was in 2008 and 2012.

There is an amazing amount of disdain for government and politicians among the 18-25-year-olds I have contact with. Their horizons have shrunk, and they don't see a solution at the polls.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:39 AM (Zu3d9)

135 Its pretty well sunk, dude.
Posted by: #queef of the year at January 03, 2015 10:25 AM (/Koda)


Then go vote democratic and get what you deserve..Dude

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2015 10:40 AM (Zmw74)

136 Give us your tar sands, your fracked gas yearning carbon with free bonding sites

Posted by: Albert Einstein at January 03, 2015 10:40 AM (e8kgV)

137 -Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:39 AM (Zu3d9)

Shrunken Horizons opened up for Foreigner at The Palladium.

...I was not in attendance.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:41 AM (16bOT)

138 26 24 >>Let's stop talking about it and get to work.

Which one is getting the tit transplant?
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 09:39 AM (9BRsg)



Walker has got some balding going on at the crown of his head. So breasts might be kinda weird.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2015 09:41 AM (dFi94)

Beats a combover.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2015 10:41 AM (AVWYi)

139 Don't know who Megan Trainor is but it's funny she parodies Katy Perry and Micki Minaj in that video.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:42 AM (4WGfY)

140 But it's based on some bullshit health calculations. It's insanity.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:26 AM (Zu3d9)


And it's amazing how difficult it is to remove it.

If you ask the average New Jerseyan, they won't justify it on that grounds, but will justify it on the grounds of "jobs".

Yeah. What are the gas-pumpers going to do for a living?

But it's like Pennsylvania's insane liquor laws. Every time you try to repeal it, you run against a wall. At least that wall makes sense, it's made of union.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2015 10:42 AM (b4b5c)

141 Obama Calls for Truce in Fight Against ISIL

Citing reports that troops fighting for the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) may have come down with Ebola, US President Obama called for a halt in all military action against them.

"For us to continue the fight while our opponent is ailing would violate a basic sense of fairness," the President maintained. "If there's one thing I think all Americans can agree on it's that we shouldn't kick a foe when he's down. True sportsmanship mandates that we at least pause our attacks until ISIL troops are restored to health."

In a bid to help speed ISIL's recovery, President Obama offered to transport its ill soldiers to the US for treatment. "We have seen the contrast in cure rates for those left in the field compared to those brought to America for treatment," Obama said. "More than half of Ebola victims treated in Africa have died. All but one treated in America recovered."

The President held out hope that this gesture of compassion might soften ISIL's enmity toward us. "By taking this figurative thorn out of the lion's paw, so to speak, we extend a hand of friendship that could open the door to a more meaningful and peaceful future between our two peoples," Obama speculated.

World Health Organization (WHO) spokesman Christy Feig praised Obama's offer calling it "very Jesus-like. By turning the other cheek, President Obama has seized the moral high ground. Regardless of how ISIL responds he has vindicated the Nobel Peace Prize he was awarded six years ago."

For its part, ISIL has reportedly been executing Iraqi doctors who have failed to restore its fighters to full health.

Posted by: Tea Party SATIRE at January 03, 2015 10:43 AM (e8kgV)

142 115



It's all about that bass base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk

~Meghan Trainor
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 03, 2015 10:27 AM (IXrOn)

Some of the parodies are hilarious.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2015 10:43 AM (AVWYi)

143 I did see Shrunken Polls open for Simple Minds at the Akron Agora in 1988.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:43 AM (16bOT)

144
And absent some startling new issue or galvanizing personality, I
doubt that the youth vote will approach what it was in 2008 and 2012.

There
is an amazing amount of disdain for government and politicians among
the 18-25-year-olds I have contact with. Their horizons have shrunk, and
they don't see a solution at the polls.

---

Yep.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:43 AM (9BRsg)

145 Anyone fucks over mine, I don't have shit to lose.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:44 AM (OsWis)

146 Who would believe this song as 2.1 BILLION HITS




http://tinyurl.com/74qk8s4

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:44 AM (0FSuD)

147 I just don't think that voting will work anymore.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:45 AM (OsWis)

148 Remember the Baskin Robbins problem, and the SOLE conservative running against the estab choice has a shot.

Ignore it and play "but my guy is the TRUE one" clown car, and you'll get another plurality win by an establishment candidate. These discussilns to clear the field and pick are a good one.

Posted by: CAC at January 03, 2015 10:45 AM (xO5gc)

149 Demographics are a motherfuck.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:45 AM (OsWis)

150 149 Demographics are a motherfuck.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:45 AM (OsWis)

In Kentucky and West Virginia, mostly.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2015 10:46 AM (AVWYi)

151 The word's out that Harry Reid's boyfriend beat him like a drum. I have an anonymous source that claims it's true.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 03, 2015 10:47 AM (ljIUb)

152 -Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2015 10:42 AM (b4b5c)

Mario Cuomo couched the ideals in those characteristics in 1984 at the Democratic National Convention.

He "countered" Reagan by telling people that "everyone can come along", not just "the chosen".

Horseshit all the way down.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:47 AM (16bOT)

153 But it's based on some bullshit health Union calculations. It's insanity.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:26 AM (Zu3d9)


FIFY


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:28 AM (0FSuD)
Bullshit. The unions have nothing to do with it. The gas stations aren't unionized. That rule has been around the entire 67 years I've lived here and before that. Besides, I like sitting in a nice warm car in the winter or in the pouring rain and let someone else to the honors. You guys not only pay more for your gas AND have to pump your own. Bwahahahaha!! We're the second richest state in the country. Let someone else pump it. Nyah!

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at January 03, 2015 10:47 AM (TPimP)

154
It's weird, though. I interact with a lot of young people b/c of our university connection - and I'm in Utah - but when I ask about it, they don't seem to care.

I think Rand has a very passionate core of supporters, some (not all) of whom he inherited from his dad. And it's clear that the GOP establishment is trying to stay on Rand's good side b/c they think he'll deliver the youth vote. But I just am not convinced that the numbers are going to be that significant.

And, really, I don't think I could vote for Rand.

Old fogeys do vote. Not sure young people do.
Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:31 AM (9BRsg)


yeah, his 'passionate' supporters are more nihilistic than anything else. against 'the man', tear down the state, etc....
and then when it comes time to actually cast the final vote, instead of believing their own BS, they will just vote for the Dem that is promising them free college tuition, or something.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 03, 2015 10:48 AM (9GG/0)

155 "I just don't think that voting will work anymore."
-Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:45 AM (OsWis)

Your suggestion might be a cockfight?

-A Playoff System?

I'd love to hear this... lol.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:48 AM (16bOT)

156 In a development that surprises film critics, Academy Awards voters, apparently hoping to woo a younger audience, award the Oscar for Best Picture to "Sharknado."

Posted by: George Clooney at January 03, 2015 10:50 AM (e8kgV)

157 Battle to the death.


But that's just me.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:50 AM (OsWis)

158 Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:43 AM (9BRsg)

I'm already teaching my girl to respond to "damn democrats" and she's not even out of the womb yet .

(Funny thing, wife had acid reflux last night so we were up in my office watching Remy's ReasonTV videos and the baby starts stirring a lot and my wife goes "oh, crap, she's already a libertarian fan.")

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 10:50 AM (HDwDg)

159 These fucks want office so bad, they should want to die for it.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:50 AM (OsWis)

160 "Battle to the death."


Old fashioned duel?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:51 AM (4WGfY)

161 works for me.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:51 AM (OsWis)

162 "Battle to the death.
But that's just me.
"
-Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:50 AM (OsWis)

Longbows or crossbows?

Wait... I know you better.

Swords.

SAWS.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:51 AM (16bOT)

163 Posted by: chemjeff at January 03, 2015 10:48 AM (9GG/0)

Too be honest, the GOPe (or the dems) could defuse Rand in 30 seconds by legalizing pot.

That's the basis of his support from what I gather.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 10:51 AM (HDwDg)

164 These fucks want office so bad, they should want to die for it.
Posted by: SMFH

Gladiatorial events for politicians. That might be something I could support.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 03, 2015 10:52 AM (ljIUb)

165 We just need to amend the process so that once you mention that you are even thinking about running for President, you have only 90 days to make it happen, even if Election day isn't within those 90 days.

Posted by: Pat Paulsen at January 03, 2015 10:53 AM (e8kgV)

166 Warm up any, bill?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:53 AM (4WGfY)

167 Tank Battle!

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:53 AM (OsWis)

168 Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2015 10:42 AM (b4b5c)

The last justification I read was that the jobs were essentially cost-free. I am unsure how the state of NJ has repealed some basic laws of economics, but I guess they have powers that are beyond mere mortals.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 10:53 AM (Zu3d9)

169 SABOT rounds!

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:53 AM (OsWis)

170 "Too be honest, the GOPe (or the dems) could defuse Rand in 30 seconds by legalizing pot.
That's the basis of his support from what I gather.
"
-Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 10:51 AM (HDwDg)

Your stereotypical Magical Underwear is not available at this time.

Please Dial Again.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:54 AM (16bOT)

171 or HE...I'm not picky.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:54 AM (OsWis)

172 Not that any candidates are talking up nuclear, but....

Thorium reactors, anyone?

Bill Whittle's recent Afterburner
http://youtu.be/4qPKR2zoDuk

Posted by: mindful webworker - glowing at January 03, 2015 10:54 AM (ftdxp)

173 Yeah, I know the campaign season is too long.

OTOH, I'm sick of being yammered at by some candidate, promising me thing and saying what he thinks I want to hear. I want to take the time to determine if these folks are conservative enough for me, based on what they've actually DONE, not their campaign promises. So that takes times.


Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:55 AM (9BRsg)

174 170,

lol

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:55 AM (OsWis)

175 I was "on the inside" of the BP oil spill response at a medium to high level and got to see Jindal first-hand in a crisis.

He definitely displays leadership. Always looked after the needs of his state; jacked up Obama and his people hard. Full disclosure - like W, he greenlit some costly, stupid things that didn't work (offshore sand berms, freshwater diversion to the Gulf) but definitely showed leadership and had the courage of his convictions in protecting his state's interests. He's definitely the kind guy you want facing Putin, the Norks, the Al-Fucktards and the like.

Posted by: SnakePlizzken at January 03, 2015 10:55 AM (GgEoy)

176 Bullshit. The unions have nothing to do with it. The
gas stations aren't unionized. That rule has been around the entire 67
years I've lived here and before that. Besides, I like sitting in a nice
warm car in the winter or in the pouring rain and let someone else to
the honors. You guys not only pay more for your gas AND have to pump
your own. Bwahahahaha!! We're the second richest state in the country.
Let someone else pump it. Nyah!


Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at January 03, 2015 10:47 AM (TPimP)

Second richest state? WTF?
NY and CA. What measure you using, amount of shit you all eat everyday and how much you pay for it?


I use to live in Madison, so I love Jersey, BUT it's so fucked. I think you all are 49th in states friendly to business. Thank god for NY.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:55 AM (0FSuD)

177 -9 this morning, but the wind quit blowing. Couple fresh inches of snow for me to shovel.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 03, 2015 10:55 AM (ljIUb)

178 Damnit, SMFH... "The People" love you.

THAT is why we can never have a "Democracy."

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:55 AM (16bOT)

179 OK. I am really really going to get going here. BBL

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:56 AM (0FSuD)

180 Barry piece is good. If awful long.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:56 AM (4WGfY)

181 Plus, if Nikki Haley is the real deal, we need to get going on a Draft Haley movt.

It would be foolish to not consider running a strong woman conservative governor against the Democrats.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:56 AM (9BRsg)

182 An article a few weeks ago in the Des Moines Register mentioned how the aquifer level was noticeably low. The primary culprit? Ethanol. Ethanol subsidies have resulted in overfarming, spiking nitrate levels in the rivers and streams, and now is sapping the aquifer. And it's not even a "carbon neutral" fuel. The subsidies must end. Ethanol does more harm than good.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at January 03, 2015 10:56 AM (8v0G6)

183 I know for a fact that Allen West would win a gladiatorial event...even though he was in 2nd BDE.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 10:56 AM (OsWis)

184 Gladiatorial events for politicians.

They always said that power is always transferred thru violence.

When George Washington when to Congress Hall in Philadelphia back in March of 1797, some foreigners in attendance believed that George Washington would be dead before the end of the day, to make way for John Adams.

Posted by: Dolly Madison at January 03, 2015 10:57 AM (e8kgV)

185 "-9 this morning,"


So, good for MT this time of year?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 10:57 AM (4WGfY)

186 He inherited that law. ...insanity.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo



Correct. First time I was in NJ, I thought that was insane ...until another trip when it was cold and snowy. It still offends my sensibilities however.

Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 10:58 AM (1vYi0)

187 Good for the guys selling natural gas that heats my house.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 03, 2015 10:59 AM (ljIUb)

188 Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 10:54 AM (16bOT

In a less pithy fashion I'll make a real point:

Paul makes considerable good ideological points. His talks about the NSA, drone killings, etc.

But look at the people who go "rah, rah" when he makes those points. Many of them are soft leftists who think the problem is not "the size of government" but the "government doing things I don't like."

I've seen lots of people cheer Rand for various things (NSA, Drones, Drug policy, etc.) then turn right around and say "WE NEED SINGLE PAYER"

Rand's base is too disperate to hold together for an election: in part because it has no self-awareness. It's basically people railing against various things they don't like without any unifying belief.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 10:59 AM (HDwDg)

189 181
Plus, if Nikki Haley is the real deal, we need to get going on a Draft Haley movt.

It would be foolish to not consider running a strong woman conservative governor against the Democrats.


Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:56 AM (9BRsg)

Nikki has a few skeletons in the closet. I would suggest we just forget this idea. SC governor is her highest level.
Trust me on this.



Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:59 AM (0FSuD)

190 -9 this morning, but the wind quit blowing. Couple fresh inches of snow for me to shovel.
Posted by: fairweatherbill
------------------------------

I forget..., where are you?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 03, 2015 10:59 AM (kgisg)

191 I was "on the inside" of the BP oil spill response at a medium to high level and got to see Jindal first-hand in a crisis.
--

Thanks for that insight, Snake.

I don't see Jindal as any more of a "regional" candidate than Walker.

To me the most regional candidate is probably Martinez.

To me the most national candidate (of this list) is Perry simply b/c he ran before and, more importantly, b/c he's popping around the country stealing employers for Texas.

But, ultimately, whoever winds up being Our Guy (or Gal) will become a national figure.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 10:59 AM (9BRsg)

192 Ho. Le. Shit. The sun is out.

First time in DAYS.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 11:00 AM (OsWis)

193 "Good for the guys selling natural gas that heats my house."


Heh.


Propane guys love me. Well, when they're not blowing up going down the interstate.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 03, 2015 11:01 AM (4WGfY)

194 Nikki has a few skeletons in the closet. I would suggest we just forget this idea. SC governor is her highest level.
Trust me on this.
--

Well, we can do a threat at some point on what we think makes people disqualified. But for now I have not found anything that DQs her.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 11:01 AM (9BRsg)

195 Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 10:58 AM (1vYi0)

If there is demand for pumping it'll be provided by the market for an increase in price.

(FWIW, there was 1 full service station I've seen in this town, and it closed do to lack of business. Stranger yet, they didn't charge more, but I think people disliked the idea of having someone else pump their gas, and then being on the hook for a tip or the like.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 11:01 AM (HDwDg)

196 Nip Sip,

If she was smart, she'd come clean.

"Yeah, I did that. So fucking what?"

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 11:01 AM (OsWis)

197 She would lock the youth vote right there.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 11:02 AM (OsWis)

198 Recommendations designed to better protect the Jordan aquifer will go to the state natural resources agency to spell out the plan's details, the Iowa Environmental Protection Commission decided Wednesday.

The commission heard 33 recommendations that a seven-member stakeholder group says would better protect the Jordan aquifer, the source of water to about a half million Iowans and industries that range from data centers to food processing and ethanol production.

The aquifer covers most of Iowa and lies about 2,500 feet below ground in southwestern Iowa and near the surface in northeastern Iowa. The state is considered water-rich, in part because of the aquifer, but officials are concerned about rising demand.

Posted by: Donnelle Eller at January 03, 2015 11:03 AM (e8kgV)

199 I forget..., where are you?
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Just east of the Continental divide, 40 miles south of the Canadian border. Only thing slowing the Arctic breeze is a three strand barbed wire fence.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 03, 2015 11:03 AM (ljIUb)

200 U.S. Sanctions Against North Korea Mostly For Show Individuals Being Sanctioned Have No Assets To Sanction


Weasel Zippers

Sounds like that's right up Fredo's alley

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2015 11:03 AM (Zmw74)

201 ..."It's basically people railing against various things they don't like without any unifying belief.
-Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 10:59 AM (HDwDg)

Even the "Small Government" crowd can't rally behind him for those beliefs.

Not really "well-said", but you've got the gist.

+1.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 11:03 AM (16bOT)

202 I see this as a good sign. NY Slime whoring for AZ team on front page.


The curse!

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 11:04 AM (0FSuD)

203 Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 11:03 AM (16bOT

Of course it's not well said, I haven't been sleeping well what with ALL THE ANXIETY!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 11:05 AM (HDwDg)

204 The popular sentiment when Pump-Your-Own gas into being, was negative. Really negative. It's natural..., who wants to do it?

It's still a PIA, particularly for late middle-aged and older women. There are one or two stations around here that offer 'Full Service', at a premium of about $0.10/gallon.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 03, 2015 11:05 AM (kgisg)

205 I wouldn't trust Nip-Sip with any of my younger relatives, but Nikki Haley isn't even my fourteenth choice.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 11:06 AM (16bOT)

206 200,

LOL! Bread and Circuses.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 11:06 AM (OsWis)

207 Of course it's not well said, I haven't been sleeping well what with ALL THE ANXIETY!
Posted by: tsrblke,



Sleep now. You don't get it afterwards :-)

Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 11:07 AM (1vYi0)

208 "Of course it's not well said, I haven't been sleeping well what with ALL THE ANXIETY!"
-Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 11:05 AM (HDwDg)

*HAH!*

High-Five, Brother!

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 11:07 AM (16bOT)

209 Only thing slowing the Arctic breeze is a three strand barbed wire fence.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 03, 2015 11:03 AM (ljIUb)

Luxury!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 11:08 AM (Zu3d9)

210 BTW, nood Weirddave thread up for those so inclined.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 11:08 AM (9BRsg)

211 Time to cook some hashbrowns, sausage, eggs, and toast. Catch you morons tonight.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at January 03, 2015 11:09 AM (ljIUb)

212 Slap,

Nip isn't that bad!

Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 11:09 AM (OsWis)

213 in part because it has no self-awareness.

Theoretically vs. Practically
+
Bong hits

Posted by: DaveA at January 03, 2015 11:10 AM (DL2i+)

214 Sounds like that's right up Fredo's alley

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2015 11:03 AM (Zmw74)

Grand but empty gestures.

I sense a certain dislike of Obama in your comments......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 03, 2015 11:10 AM (Zu3d9)

215 I would like to know the stance of the candidates on Nuclear Power, and Global Warming (as AGW is the driving force behind the anti-coal lobby in the administration).
I would also like to know who stands where on electricity policy. For example, Exelon is currently talking about prematurely shutting down several of their nuclear power plants unless they get some kind of credit to allow them to compete with the subsidized wind and solar market. How does Governor Walker feel about the premature decommissioning of Kewaunee, a small nuclear power plant in his state, closed due to the falling prices of natural gas?

Posted by: Nancy at January 03, 2015 11:10 AM (JreH3)

216 "Slap,
Nip isn't that bad!
"
-Posted by: SMFH at it all at January 03, 2015 11:09 AM (OsWis)

Not really. I played the hyperbole because he has said the same things over-and-over-and-over and-over.

...and over.

...and over again.

I was making fun of him. He Ain't That Bad.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 11:11 AM (16bOT)

217 Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2015 11:07 AM (1vYi0)

Trust me I'm trying.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be bascially any day now! at January 03, 2015 11:11 AM (HDwDg)

218 Thanks for your participation, folks! Off to make some coffee.

If ONLY CharlieBrown's Di would do a coffee thread.... ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 11:11 AM (9BRsg)

219 NOOD!

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at January 03, 2015 11:12 AM (16bOT)

220 It's a wet, bleccherous morning here at the Dungeon of Discord, so it's a good day to stay inside, read, prognosticate, and study the entrails of a chicken (or goat, if that is your predilection).

Gas prices are going down, which should make transporting food cheaper, but will that be reflected in the actual price of groceries? I get more sticker shock from going to Safeway that from Shell. Are people traveling more now that gas is cheaper? I don't know. The economy still smells like rotting fish.

Obama's "War on Coal" is already causing some rates to climb, and the EPA's ever-tightening Tholian Web of regulations is making compliance more and more difficult.

"Are you in compliance?" is this country's "Where are your papers?".

A smart candidate might ask whether his opponent really wants America to be energy independent, and to prove his policies are actually generating new sources of energy and not just beautiful unicorn dreams.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at January 03, 2015 11:17 AM (KH1sk)

221 Rand's base is too disperate to hold together for an election: in part because it has no self-awareness. It's basically people railing against various things they don't like without any unifying belief.
Posted by: tsrblke

Rand gave a couple of nice talks in Ohio during the 2012 presidential election cyclet about the fundamentals of political liberty, and why Obama was fundamentally a bad choice. Rand understands, on an intellectual level, the importance of liberty and restraint on government.
He does a good job of disarming the idiotic calls from the Left Media that Republicans are 'fascists' when the Republicans call for smaller government.

But he can't help the populist pandering. And he does inherit the Silver Dimes/Vapor trails crowd from his Ron Paul. Just like Jeb will before 2015 is out , he has already alienated a large part of the Republican activist base by pandering.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... after dark at January 03, 2015 11:18 AM (+1T7c)

222 ethanol is a joke. that is all

Posted by: ThunderB at January 03, 2015 11:21 AM (zOTsN)

223 Christie believes in global warming

Posted by: ThunderB at January 03, 2015 11:22 AM (zOTsN)

224 Just east of the Continental divide, 40 miles south of the Canadian border. Only thing slowing the Arctic breeze is a three strand barbed wire fence.
Posted by: fairweatherbill
-------------------

Sounds interesting. If I could wiggle my nose and visit for a short time, I would. I always *liked* challenging winter weather when I was young. Of course, now, I would likely wiggle my nose again and be back south after an hour or two.

FWIW, I live on the western slope of the Eastern Divide, by about a mile. Not so dramatic, but there it is.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 03, 2015 11:25 AM (kgisg)

225 ethanol is a joke. that is all
Posted by: ThunderB
--------------------

Let's not be hasty.
I assume that you mean as a fuel.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 03, 2015 11:26 AM (kgisg)

226 Mike Hammer gets the late thread-winner!

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 11:29 AM (9BRsg)

227 172 Not that any candidates are talking up nuclear, but....

Thorium reactors, anyone?

Bill Whittle's recent Afterburner
http://youtu.be/4qPKR2zoDuk

Posted by: mindful webworker - glowing at January 03, 2015 10:54 AM (ftdxp)



Nice video. Karl Denninger at the Market Ticker has been banging the drum for thorium for years.

Thorium is a naturally-occurring radioactive element that is found in trace amounts in coal. When coal is burned conventionally, that thorium goes up the smokestack and into the environment. But the coal could be processed to capture and refine the thorium for use in nuclear reactors.

A thorium reactor can be used to generate electricity, but it cannot be used to produce bomb-grade material. That may be the reason why the technology was not pursued during the Cold War. All the governments involved wanted bomb-grade material.

Without going too deeply into the details, experimental reactors have been developed that are fail-safe. They cannot melt down.

And once the thorium is extracted from the coal, the coal can be processed to make liquid fuels suitable for use in cars, planes, ships, and the like. This is proven technology that was originally developed in Nazi Germany during WWII in the 1940s when their oil supplies were disrupted.

So, between thorium reactors and the production of liquid fuels from coal, the United States could be energy-independent for centuries.

Posted by: rickl at January 03, 2015 11:33 AM (sdi6R)

228 I do wish Whittle would make some 2-3 minute videos, though. They would be more likely to be watched by LIVs with short attention spans.

Posted by: rickl at January 03, 2015 11:36 AM (sdi6R)

229 @57 The EPA rules on oil and gas well methane emissions is bullshit. Methane
is quickly broken down by solar ultraviolet light.

--

Methane is CH4. It's been some decades since I took organic chemistry, but after broken in the atmosphere by UV I would guess the C atom combines with O2 to form one molecule of CO2, Carbon Dioxide, and the H atoms form two molecules of H2O, water.

Both CO2 and water vapor are greenhouse gases, so to a warmist EPA the end result of atmospheric Methane is bad.

Posted by: jbarntt at January 03, 2015 11:58 AM (i4lxC)

230 Nancy
I'm going to try to do a little research into your question for next week's thread. Thanks for that.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 12:29 PM (9BRsg)

231 I don't see anything in draft and football is late today, so I went ahead and posted the Gardening Thread now.

IOW, nood.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 12:34 PM (9BRsg)

232 Second richest state? WTF?
NY and CA. What measure you using, amount of shit you all eat everyday and how much you pay for it?


I
use to live in Madison, so I love Jersey, BUT it's so fucked. I think
you all are 49th in states friendly to business. Thank god for NY.


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2015 10:55 AM (0FSuD)
Just start here and then compare stats with the other so called "better" states.
http://tinyurl.com/2tpamoYou bring up food prices? Prices here on consumer products are on par or lower than many other states, and the standard of living is higher. Clothing, food, and yeah, wages. People here in NJ are, as a whole, still living a rather comfortable life. As far as unfriendly to business? Many of the Fortune 500 are located here. It's our location, location, location. Who the hell wants to live in ButtFuck whateverstate? Hey, you started it.

Posted by: thatcrazyoldjerseyguy at January 03, 2015 12:45 PM (TPimP)

233 It's our location, location, location. Who the hell wants to live in ButtFuck whateverstate?
---

ButtFuck Whateverstates generally have airports, major universities, and - get this - open spaces with natural beauty. Plus - nicer people.

I was raised in the Middle Atlantic (MD) with family from New England. You could not convince me to move back there without shoveling huge wadges of cash at me. Even then I might not do it.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2015 01:44 PM (9BRsg)

234 "182
An article a few weeks ago in the Des Moines Register mentioned how the
aquifer level was noticeably low. The primary culprit? Ethanol. Ethanol
subsidies have resulted in overfarming, spiking nitrate levels in the
rivers and streams, and now is sapping the aquifer. And it's not even a
"carbon neutral" fuel. The subsidies must end. Ethanol does more harm
than good.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at January 03, 2015 10:56 AM (8v0G6)"

The primary culprit? Agriculture. Unless you are suggesting that the land used to grow corn would be left fallow and not used to grow anything, the complaints about the Ogallala Aquifer and fertilizer run off in rivers is bullshit.

Ethanol raises the effective octane level of gasoline without tetraethyl lead or MTBE and displaces about 10% of our demand for gasoline. Those seem like good things to me but YMMV.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 03, 2015 02:44 PM (PD6iL)

235 "The primary culprit? Agriculture. Unless you are suggesting that the land used to grow corn would be left fallow and not used to grow anything, the complaints about the Ogallala Aquifer and fertilizer run off in rivers is bullshit."

Well, no, not bullshit when the "agriculture" wouldn't be occurring if it weren't subsidized. In the zero sum scenario you're proposing, yes, leave it "fallow." Or build mini-golf courses, whatever.

"Ethanol raises the effective octane level of gasoline without tetraethyl lead or MTBE and displaces about 10% of our demand for gasoline. Those seem like good things to me but YMMV."

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 03, 2015 02:44 PM (PD6iL)

So sell it on the open market.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at January 03, 2015 03:45 PM (AXvO6)

236 Ethanol raises the effective octane level of gasoline without tetraethyl lead or MTBE and displaces about 10% of our demand for gasoline. Those seem like good things to me but YMMV.

So put a water injection system on your own car and boost away. Don't make everyone else pay for it.

Posted by: toby928(C) wept at January 03, 2015 03:53 PM (rwI+c)

237 I am not sure who I like at this juncture. I can say with certainty, however, that if Jeb Bush gets the nomination I will throw up all over myself. Please people, please, let's not have a replay of a Clinton-Bush contest. Please don't tell me that we do not have smart, capable, strong leaders out there that aren't part of some b.s. familial dynasty? Surely there is someone out there that can fix this country because I am convinced that another rino Bushy is NOT the answer. Is the Republican party really so out of touch?

Posted by: Mistress NOpe at January 03, 2015 03:55 PM (2/oBD)

238 SKANKY RUSSIAN SPAMMER

Posted by: Tina at January 03, 2015 07:03 PM (rKEiy)

239 #Radagast2016: I promise to create an economic depression and confine it to a 41 mile radius of the US capitol.

Posted by: Radagast the Brown at January 04, 2015 10:19 AM (hgMjf)

240 Iowahawk for the win!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 04, 2015 10:20 AM (9BRsg)

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