Early Poll Finds Bush Surge After Bush Pre-Announcement

Gah! Updated Poll (12:24pm): I was trying to use all of CNN's choices (plus Romney) and messed that up. New poll is now up. If you already voted, vote again.

Original post:

Early polling is not a predictor of who the Republican candidate will be or even which Republican candidates will run in the primary. Nor does it predict who will win the general election. That is not the purpose of early polling.

The purpose of early polling is to get a sense of where people's minds and money are at when the poll is taken. Yes, that includes name recognition, which is bizarrely dismissed as unimportant even though it factors quite a bit into who has the fundraising juice to make credible bids for the White House (more on this below).

Anyway, as of last week, Jeb Bush and Chris Christie were out ahead of the pack, at least for those names polled (notice anyone missing?):

There's a couple noteworthy things here.

First, it's no surprise to see the Bush surge since he just announced his intention to announce his intention to run for president, or something. As the only candidate sticking his hand out right now, except Sen. Paul maybe, he's bound to peel off some respondents.

Second, check out question 35 (pdf). The tendency of voters to emphasize electability will once again be a big factor in voter choices, which may explain why Bush and Christie are out ahead of more polarizing potential candidates. Although Bush and Christie remain public figures, they haven't exactly been rushing to get into the papers and onto the Sunday talk shows.

Third, the margin of error here is plus or minus 4.5 points, meaning the actual electorate is likely to have Bush out ahead and then every other named candidate in about the same spot. In other words, lest there be any confusion, no one is out yet (except Portman, who said he isn't running), although that is not to say they all have an even chance.

On that point, some of the named potential candidates have the fundraising chops to pull off a credible bid and some do not. The no question, top-tier candidates in the power-fundraiser category includes Bush and Christie, and also Gov. Perry, based on his 2012 take. (BTW, do you notice the commonality there?) Folks that struggled with fundraising in 2012, like Sen. Santorum, are not credible candidates from a fundraising standpoint. But then we've got unknown quantities like Gov. Walker and Sens. Cruz and Paul. All three have national profiles and all three are expected to run (assuming Paul can get his legal issues sorted). Once the race actually gets started and the public has a better idea of their attractiveness to donors, expect to see them get a heavy bounce from electability-minded voters.

Alright, I was planning to start running our AOSHQ straw poll posts again after the race gets started, but what the hell, let's see where people are today.


Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 12:02 PM




Comments

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1 Where is Cruz in your poll?

Posted by: Shtetl G at December 28, 2014 12:07 PM (lqobq)

2 Your poll is missing a name.
Ted Cruz.

Posted by: @dickstrash at December 28, 2014 12:07 PM (KuU4f)

3 At this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at December 28, 2014 12:08 PM (4IFRz)

4 None of the above.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at December 28, 2014 12:08 PM (KuU4f)

5 The tendency of voters to emphasize electability will once again be a big factor in voter choices, which may explain why Bush and Christie are out ahead of more polarizing potential candidates.

Well what the hell. Since we're going there why not just throw our support to Hillary since she is the most electable of them all.
I mean, she's running to the Right of Warren so that makes her the perfect GOPe candidate.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at December 28, 2014 12:09 PM (NHtMs)

6 There you have it- Walker/Perry 2016

Posted by: Lord Whorfin at December 28, 2014 12:09 PM (kMoe2)

7 I think your instant poll proves that Scott Walker appeals to both the hard core and the e's.


We will NOT be nominating another Bush. Period.


Walker/Perry 2016

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 28, 2014 12:10 PM (0FSuD)

8 That list tells me one thing: Shit floats.

Posted by: --- at December 28, 2014 12:10 PM (MMC8r)

9 Early polls are invariably push pols. You can't believe a word of them.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2014 12:11 PM (u9gzs)

10 There's a couple noteworthy things here.

That the first seven are GOPe?

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2014 12:11 PM (FcR7P)

11 I had to go through the first 7 names in that list before I came to someone I could gin up any enthusiasm for. It's sad when so many of the potential candidates have already taken an unacceptable position on amnesty.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:12 PM (4nR9/)

12
What's the point of this post?

Polls are bullshit; the point of polling is to shape public opinion, not to act as barometers.

It's a bullshit poll for Dumb People. The whole Jeb Bush 2016 thing is total bullshit started by campaign insiders for hire.

This post dumbs down Ace of Spades.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:12 PM (roFmD)

13 How the fuck is Bush "electable"? He's a GOP establishment darling, right?

The establishment said Reagan wasn't "electable", and he won in 1980 with 50.8% in a three-way race and 58.8% in 1984. They got the "electable" candidates they wanted in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008 and 2012, and managed to get over 50% of the vote precisely twice.

Stupid party.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 28, 2014 12:12 PM (4ckfx)

14 My favorite was not on the list.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2014 12:12 PM (u9gzs)

15 Well what the hell. Since we're going there why not just throw our
support to Hillary since she is the most electable of them all.


You overestimate her appeal.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:12 PM (4nR9/)

16 What's the point of this post?

A snapshot of people's current thinking. Where did he say this was locked in stone?

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:14 PM (4nR9/)

17 Austin American Statesman running a hit piece on Perry today or yesterday. Found 200 people in the State gov making big bucks that got hired through the old boy network instead of posting the job opening and waiting for so many days and interviewing. The headline is that they all "worked for Perry".
I say he should be higher up on the poll since the DNC is already hitting him hard.
That should count for something.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at December 28, 2014 12:14 PM (NHtMs)

18 Folks that struggled with fundraising in 2012, like Sen. Santorum, are not credible candidates from a fundraising standpoint.


The big money donors like RINOs like Rubio and the fat man. So that is what we will get.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2014 12:14 PM (u9gzs)

19 No John McCain? The man is a monument.

Posted by: Fritz at December 28, 2014 12:14 PM (dVmLD)

20 2 Your poll is missing a name.
[strike]Ted Cruz.[/strike] SMOD.

FIFY.

Posted by: The Lost Dutchman at December 28, 2014 12:15 PM (9F2c1)

21 Where's Ted Cruz?


Posted by: RarestRX at December 28, 2014 12:15 PM (MJpoq)

22 9
Early polls are invariably push pols. You can't believe a word of them.


Posted by: Vic


Perhaps, but Gabe's point is well taken. The money people are paying attention to these lists.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:15 PM (4nR9/)

23 My favorite was not on the list.
Posted by: Vic


George Washington is prevented from running.

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2014 12:15 PM (FcR7P)

24 I did not see:

"Amnesty & Obamacare & Common Core; Oh my!"

Posted by: fluffy at December 28, 2014 12:15 PM (Ua6T/)

25
The survey was conducted by live interview among 1,011 adults nationwide from Dec. 18-21, with a subsample of 453 Republicans and 469 Democrats...

This "poll" is meaningless, which means this post is based on a farce.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:15 PM (roFmD)

26 Sorry about the HTML fail.

Posted by: The Lost Dutchman at December 28, 2014 12:15 PM (9F2c1)

27 Poof! Under construction to add Ted Cruz?

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2014 12:16 PM (FcR7P)

28 In our part of sunny NJ, our local rag publish a poll stating that if Hillary or Chrispy ran today, Hillary would win here in the Garden State. We're screwed. She would win because of her lady parts. I have gotten in very heated debates with female types over Shrillary's qualifications. I'm usually called an asshole by these gender sharing clownesses.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 28, 2014 12:17 PM (TPimP)

29 Broken Comments?

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at December 28, 2014 12:17 PM (zLOJ1)

30
Cruz is the type of conservative firebrand who might be picked for VP to balance a moderate (being nice here) nominee.

Which would be a total waste of his talents, I'd rather he stayed in the Senate.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:17 PM (1Y+hH)

31 "As the only candidate sticking his hand out right now..."

I've been training my pit bull for just this moment.

Posted by: LuvYaJeb-MeanIt at December 28, 2014 12:18 PM (3MiqD)

32 We are actually going to be able to vote in this poll, right?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Warlord of the Western Wastes at December 28, 2014 12:18 PM (m9V0o)

33 Well what the hell. Since we're going there why not just throw our
support to Hillary since she is the most electable of them all.

You overestimate her appeal.
Posted by: pep


Doesn't extreme snark mean anything anymore? What has happened to this place? I have too much respect for Pep so blame you Gabe; This is your thread.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at December 28, 2014 12:18 PM (NHtMs)

34 "which may explain why Bush and Christie are out ahead of more polarizing potential candidates."

Polarizing? POLARIZING?

Do the Dems worry about "polarizing"? No, they excite the shit out of their base. The Pubs can't win without the gun vote, and gun nuts hated Bush Sr, McCain and Romney. You want to see "polarizing", watch the gun nuts go apoplectic over Christie (and throw in Amnesty Jeb for the same effect on that issue).

Here's another polarizing Republican politician - Scott Walker. He polarizes the skulls of his enemies into wine goblets.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 28, 2014 12:19 PM (4ckfx)

35 This "poll" is meaningless, which means this post is based on a farce.


Do we give this the Captain Obvious award or the "rolls eyes" thingie?

Asking for an unannouced candidate...

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:20 PM (1Y+hH)

36 Perhaps, but Gabe's point is well taken. The money people are paying attention to these lists.


Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:15 PM (4nR9/)

And the money people want RINOs.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2014 12:21 PM (u9gzs)

37 35
This "poll" is meaningless, which means this post is based on a farce.



Next thing we will hear is PPP did it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 28, 2014 12:21 PM (0FSuD)

38 I have too much respect for Pep so blame you Gabe

Much appreciated. Just as long as someone else gets the blame, I'm happy.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:21 PM (4nR9/)

39 Jeb / Hillary (or Hillary / Jeb) 2016
on the Bipartisan Fusion Party ticket.

For our side, not so sure yet.

Going away now before I get any stupider.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 28, 2014 12:21 PM (go6ud)

40 Bush seems kinda polarizing to me.
And I like how Chris "Sit Down and Shut Up" Christie is not the polarizing one, but apparently he's the calm moderate in the race now.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 28, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

41 And the money people want RINOs.


Posted by: Vic


Agreed.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:22 PM (4nR9/)

42 If we could identify who the Democrats voted for, as opposed to who the R's took, we'd learn something.

But, no.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:22 PM (1Y+hH)

43 The donors they're talking about are the ones that want a return o their investment. In other words, the people who want the corporate state to funnel revenue into their pockets.

That's why we're going to get a Big Government 'moderate' shoved down our throats.

Posted by: --- at December 28, 2014 12:22 PM (MMC8r)

44 Lo, we shall punish the ingratitude of the loaf with a plague of polling fail!

Posted by: The Pixy Gods at December 28, 2014 12:22 PM (9F2c1)

45 Poll doesn't allow voting.

Posted by: Fox 2! at December 28, 2014 12:23 PM (brIR5)

46 o they interviewed more Democrats than Republicans in a Republican poll. That makes the poll worthless.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2014 12:23 PM (u9gzs)

47 Democrats are never polarizing by definition. They just represent teh peeple.

Elizabeth "Lieawatha" Warren isn't polarizing.

That Hillary guy isn't polarizing either.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at December 28, 2014 12:23 PM (uaEZS)

48
Imagine asking a majority of Republicans whom they'd support for the Democrat nom in 2016. Now imagine if Jimmy Carter and Fidel Castro were on that list.



Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:23 PM (roFmD)

49 Imagine asking a majority of Republicans whom they'd support for the Democrat nom in 2016.

Tanned, rested, and ready!

Posted by: Zombie Andrew Jackson at December 28, 2014 12:24 PM (9F2c1)

50 It's still Walker/Perry!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 28, 2014 12:24 PM (0FSuD)

51 Only thing to remember is Romney was a better candidate then any of the establishment favorites this time around and he won more state then McCain. So why would any of the big money men piss away money on this race?
I'd rather go down in flames with someone that can tell the people how truly fucked we are following the leftist agenda then pretending we might win something.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 28, 2014 12:24 PM (BXkFh)

52 >>> they interviewed more Democrats than Republicans in a Republican poll. That makes the poll worthless.

Polling 101. The GOP numbers are based on the GOP and GOP-leaning respondents only. It is irrelevant to the GOP results what the Dem respondents said, and vice versa.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:25 PM (T8K4K)

53 I voted for Sanctorum because, who the f**k cares. Georgette Mossburger decides who gets nominated, not you.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2014 12:25 PM (Dj0WE)

54 What is the purpose of the GOP?

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:25 PM (MQEz6)

55 Just pick whoever you would put last and that's probably the guy.

amirite?

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:25 PM (1Y+hH)

56 I find Walker's bland, workmanlike Midwestern personality a plus, but that's just me. Never was one for Beatlemania.

Remember how they used to say "But how will it play in Peoria?"? I wonder how he'll play in New York and California, not just among the elites but with the real electorate.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 28, 2014 12:25 PM (KH1sk)

57
I have just two three two words for y'all:


Playoff. Implications.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:26 PM (roFmD)

58 No can vote. Poll closed. All candidates totaling 0%.

Posted by: Soona at December 28, 2014 12:26 PM (V3IoZ)

59
Here's a poll:

Carolina or Atlanta?


Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:26 PM (roFmD)

60 ahead of more polarizing potential candidates.

By 'polarizing', I think you mean, 'whom the media hates'. Actual elections are by definition polarization at work (except of course in the Electoral Paradises of Cuba and North Korea).

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (FcR7P)

61 >>>This "poll" is meaningless, which means this post is based on a farce.

Are we doing that again? That thing where a certain segment of the GOP electorate declares that every poll is meaningless right up until election day? Because that sure is fun.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (T8K4K)

62 If you already voted, vote again.

I get to pretend I'm a Democrat? Sweet. I wouldn't mind feeling pandered to for a change, anyway.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik's on vacation at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (MOjUR)

63 I won't vote for Jeb Bush after he allowed a woman to be starved to death.

I'm not alone in this stance. The entire pro-life movement shares the sentiment. Just try to win a nationwide election without us.

Posted by: Lauren at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (MYCIw)

64 Corrected.

"Only thing to remember is Romney was a better candidate then any of the
establishment favorites this time around and he won one more state then
McCain."

Posted by: lowandslow at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (BXkFh)

65 You can kill me and my undead corpse would vote for Scott Walker.

Call me the Walker Dead.

Posted by: Oschisms at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (uqV2n)

66 "45 Poll doesn't allow voting."

There's a subtle message in there somewhere.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (1Y+hH)

67 What could possibly be polarizing about representin' the little guys?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at December 28, 2014 12:28 PM (uaEZS)

68 I voted for Huckabee because that boy knows how to eat.

Posted by: Fritz at December 28, 2014 12:28 PM (dVmLD)

69 Some folks may need to clear the caches before they can see the new poll, which includes Sen. Cruz. The old poll, which I killed, will read: "poll closed."

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:28 PM (T8K4K)

70 The entire pro-life movement shares the sentiment. Just try to win a nationwide election without us.

Posted by: Lauren at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (MYCIw)


Amen.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 28, 2014 12:28 PM (dFi94)

71 Uh huh. A poll that means nothing other than differentiating between "Yeah, I think I've heard of that guy" and "Who?"

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 28, 2014 12:28 PM (g+akU)

72 Jesus wept, the country is doomed.

Posted by: Null at December 28, 2014 12:29 PM (xjpRj)

73 If you were to take out the people who are never going to vote for a Republican under any circumstances, which is about 40% of the electorate, and the people who will vote for any Republican no matter who it is, which is about 30% and may be higher in 2016 due to Obama backlash, I suspect the results would be very different. Factor in that only about 10 states matter in the general election, and now you're looking at probably 10 million persuadable people whose votes will elect the next President. What is most important in a nominee is who can best persuade enough of those 10 million people to vote for him and not for Hillary.

No candidate is perfect. I live in Texas. I love Cruz and Perry, although for different reasons, and Walker and Jindal. But my vote does not matter in the general election.

The working mom in Ohio with an underemployed young adult kid living in the basement who has never had a real job matters infinitely more than I do. The message has to be economic, and Obamacare is a big part of it as a symbol for how the makers are being screwed by the government on behalf of the takers. But that message has to be made subtly, because some of her friends and relatives are takers. As much as it pains me, Benghazi and Fast and Furious don't matter to that voter, although the IRS scandal might. Many of those voters cast their ballots on likeability, or the "cares about people like me" metric. Obama beat Romney and McCain on that, W beat Gore and Kerry, Clinton beat Dole and Bush 41, Bush 41 beat Dukakis, Reagan beat Mondale and Carter.

So if we're serious about winning, we need to find the candidate who can beat Hillary on that metric. In that vein, I like Walker and Kasich. Rubio could get there, but it would take a lot of marketing. It bothers me to say so, but Christie may have it.

I look forward to the Romney Commission to overhaul government and Justice Cruz to replace Justice Ginsburg.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 28, 2014 12:29 PM (5f5bM)

74 We might want to think about a support floor for participation in the debates. Not so high that mid-tier candidates are eliminated, but low enough that the hopeless vanity candidates aren't cluttering the debates. I'm not sure who would make the call, but certainly not the GOPe. They'd set the floor at 0.1% below Jeb Bush.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:29 PM (4nR9/)

75 I just put this right here...


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/12/americ

an_achiever_of_2014__sarah_palin.html


And yes, I wish she would run. Even if it's only a run to knock out the Jebs and Christys so her choice could go ahead and win the nom.

Palin usually winds up clarifying the situation and politics of various individuals wonderfully.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2014 12:29 PM (KBvAm)

76 Ready for HILLARY!

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 12:29 PM (/4AZU)

77 Couldn't wait until January, I see.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:29 PM (MQEz6)

78
No can vote. Poll closed.
Posted by: Soona




Ah -- just like the Virginia Republican primary.

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 28, 2014 12:30 PM (kdS6q)

79
Polling 101. The GOP numbers are based on the GOP and GOP-leaning respondents only. It is irrelevant to the GOP results what the Dem respondents said, and vice versa.

Irrelevant?

Then what's the point of the poll, Professor Polling?

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:30 PM (roFmD)

80 "Are we doing that again?"

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (T8K4K)

It's early. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:30 PM (1Y+hH)

81 A snapshot of people's current thinking. Where did he say this was locked in stone?


Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:14 PM (4nR9/)


It means you have 22 months to practice your wrist slitting techniques.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 28, 2014 12:31 PM (g+akU)

82 If it's a CNN poll, it's just taking the pulse of people trapped in airports.

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2014 12:31 PM (FcR7P)

83 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 28, 2014 12:29 PM (5f5bM)

Then you woke up.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:31 PM (MQEz6)

84 59 -

Doesn't matter. We're set for another Super Bowl with the Seattle Crotchbrabbers, led by Truther Carroll.

Now, will they play the New England Cheaters, or the Can't Throw Anymore Mannings?

But sure, take the Falcons.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2014 12:31 PM (Dj0WE)

85 I'd have voted for Walker but your poll thingy wouldn't let me. Seems like something our nemisis' would do!

Posted by: Dave at December 28, 2014 12:31 PM (Dd43a)

86
Are we doing what again? Oh, you mean point out sample bias, that again?

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:32 PM (roFmD)

87 >>>Palin usually winds up clarifying the situation<<<

Ooh, Sister Sarah! Bring out the long knifes!

Posted by: Fritz at December 28, 2014 12:32 PM (dVmLD)

88 A poll of 'adults.'

Posted by: --- at December 28, 2014 12:33 PM (MMC8r)

89 Basically all polls done this early are name recognition polls. That is why the old time pols are at the top.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2014 12:33 PM (u9gzs)

90 Are we doing that again? That thing where a certain
segment of the GOP electorate declares that every poll is meaningless
right up until election day? Because that sure is fun.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (T8K4K)


It's still 2014. The Presidential election is in 2016, nearly two years from now. Do I put a lot of stock in polls done during the holidays two years out? Not really.
I'm going to go watch some football.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 28, 2014 12:34 PM (dFi94)

91 Here's a poll.

Who thinks the GOP is a hopeless pile of junk?

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:34 PM (MQEz6)

92
...a post based on a skewed CNN poll, written typed up by an obama voter.


Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:34 PM (roFmD)

93 Walker would boost his chances substantially if he learned not to half shut his eyes in public. Shallow? You bet. Will it influence voters? Again, yes.

I do the same thing myself, and it drives my wife nuts.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:34 PM (4nR9/)

94 Went with Walker. Strong character. Fully vetted.

Posted by: Soona at December 28, 2014 12:34 PM (V3IoZ)

95
A poll of 'adults.'


or whoever answered the phone...or text

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:35 PM (roFmD)

96 >>>
Irrelevant?

Then what's the point of the poll, Professor Polling?
Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:30 PM (roFmD)

Um, to get a sense of what GOP voters and GOP-leaners think about the GOP candidates and what Dem-voters and Dem-leaners think about the Dem candidates.

This i very obvious. And suddenly, I'm remembering why I don't bother coming down here anymore. Goodbye.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:36 PM (T8K4K)

97 "Do the Dems worry about "polarizing"? No, they excite the shit out of their base."

The excitement that was Al Gore. And John Kerry.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 28, 2014 12:36 PM (g+akU)

98 Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:34 PM (4nR9/)


Walker is duller than dishwater, not charismatic at all, and exactly what this country needs.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 28, 2014 12:36 PM (dFi94)

99 >>> What is the purpose of the GOP?

To feel the wind in your hair while going hunting on the steppes with your best falcon.

Posted by: fluffy at December 28, 2014 12:37 PM (Ua6T/)

100 And suddenly, I'm remembering why I don't bother coming down here anymore. Goodbye.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:36 PM (T8K4K)



Well, that's a fine how-do-ya-do.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 28, 2014 12:37 PM (dFi94)

101 This poll reminds me of the quarterback situation in Chicago: No matter who starts, you know there's gonna be four quarters of boneheaded play-calling.

Posted by: Fritz at December 28, 2014 12:38 PM (dVmLD)

102 Walker is duller than dishwater, not charismatic at all, and exactly what this country needs.


Posted by: grammie winger


With the exception of his ambiguity (being charitable) on amnesty, I agree.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:38 PM (4nR9/)

103 What is the purpose of the GOP?

Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 28, 2014 12:38 PM (KH1sk)

104 61 Gabriel Malor,

Nope this poll says Jebba has already been beaten by Hillary! saving the need for a pesky election....




Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 12:38 PM (EJx1G)

105 Well, that's a fine how-do-ya-do.


Posted by: grammie winger


Can't say I blame him. Who needs the gratuitous abuse.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:38 PM (4nR9/)

106 And is it just me, or does Russell Wilson remind anyone else of Barack Hussein Obama?

Including the effusive praise he doesn't deserve?

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2014 12:38 PM (Dj0WE)

107 Polling 101. The GOP numbers are based on the GOP
and GOP-leaning respondents only. It is irrelevant to the GOP results
what the Dem respondents said, and vice versa.
Posted by: Gabe Malor at December 28, 2014 12:25 PM (T8K4K)


Correction Gabe, the GOP numbers are based on self-identifying GOP and GOP-leaning respondents who actually are willing to answer questions.

I don't answer polls any more. I either speak Spanish at them until they get frustrated and hang up, or tell them I'm on benefits and they should work harder so I can keep eating this good.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2014 12:38 PM (t//F+)

108 Anybody to the Left of Thulsa Doom is a rino.

Posted by: --- at December 28, 2014 12:39 PM (MMC8r)

109 107

That seems helpful. Thanks.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 12:39 PM (SIgM0)

110 96 >>>
Irrelevant?

Then what's the point of the poll, Professor Polling?
Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:30 PM (roFmD)

Um, to get a sense of what GOP voters and GOP-leaners think about the GOP candidates and what Dem-voters and Dem-leaners think about the Dem candidates.

This i very obvious. And suddenly, I'm remembering why I don't bother coming down here anymore. Goodbye.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:36 PM (T8K4K)

Down here?

What's it like up there?

Don't bother?

Oh, we've disappointed our grand friend once again.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:39 PM (MQEz6)

111 Cruz cant run he was born in Canada. The founding fathers clearly meant no foreign born POTUS

Posted by: righter at December 28, 2014 12:40 PM (QC4Xw)

112 I went with Perry on this poll, but my top four remain Perry, Cruz, Jindal and Nikki Haley.

I would like to see a draft Haley mivt, esp if the Dems run Hillary or Warren.

If Cruz backs Perry and Rick's 2012 problems were his back, I think he's a lock.

I don't get the "run someone without charisma" arg for Walker. We have several strong govs who have charisma.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 12:40 PM (9BRsg)

113 I don't see the need for this post given that gay marriage is already being adopted nationwide.

Posted by: Quasimodo at December 28, 2014 12:40 PM (Rv7pr)

114 Jeb has two votes.

*glares around the room, looking for people with pants on*

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:40 PM (1Y+hH)

115 100 Grammie Winger,

These little drive-bys are the highlight of our weeks....

Bye bye Gabe Godspeed through Texas!

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 12:40 PM (EJx1G)

116 103 -

Exactly. And we're going to need some sweet sweet government subsidies to accomplish this feat.

Posted by: Gope Supporters at December 28, 2014 12:40 PM (Dj0WE)

117 And suddenly, I'm remembering why I don't bother coming down here anymore. Goodbye.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:36 PM (T8K4K)



Translation: "I'm tired of hearing you bitch at me because your favorite candidate isn't leading in a name recognition poll 22 months out from the election."

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 28, 2014 12:41 PM (g+akU)

118 Thorgrim is beside himself with grief!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 28, 2014 12:41 PM (KH1sk)

119 Jindal/Haley vs. Lizzie Warren?

Indian Wars, 2016.

Posted by: --- at December 28, 2014 12:41 PM (MMC8r)

120 112

I'd like to see Haley with Walker as VP. You can make up for his lack of charisma that way.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 12:41 PM (SIgM0)

121 113 Quasimodo,

Somewhere there's a baker who is not of the body...

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 12:41 PM (EJx1G)

122
Perry / Cruz '16.

'Cause screw whatever restriction is in the Constitution about P and VP being from different states.

P O'Barky nailed the Constitution to the cross anyway.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 28, 2014 12:41 PM (bWFHa)

123 We totally understand how he feels.
We hate our customers, too.

Posted by: Comcast at December 28, 2014 12:42 PM (ZPrif)

124 Down here in Free Market Jesus Paradise ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 28, 2014 12:42 PM (go6ud)

125
Are we doing that again? That thing where a certain

segment of the GOP electorate declares that every poll is meaningless

right up until election day? Because that sure is fun.



Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2014 12:27 PM (T8K4K)

You're conflating two complaints there Gabe - you are attacking "the poll isn't accurate" complaint, which may be true very early but isn't the closer to election day. The comments (mostly) complain that (assuming the poll is accurate), it's meaningless at this point. Ask President Guiliani.

Posted by: duke at December 28, 2014 12:42 PM (enhDu)

126 111
Cruz cant run he was born in Canada. The founding fathers clearly meant no foreign born POTUS



Posted by: righter at December 28, 2014 12:40 PM (QC4Xw)

That was put to bed long ago. It doesn't matter where he was born as long as he has at least one American parent and he does.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2014 12:43 PM (u9gzs)

127 Sarah Palin !!! she is still hot, and she has her own TV chanel

Posted by: righter at December 28, 2014 12:43 PM (QC4Xw)

128
Tough Rhetoric Does Not Cause Violence

You wrote this last week. Do you know why you didn't cite one single piece of evidence to support your thesis? Because you couldn't.

Like everything else you publish on the internet, it was your opinion based on your limited experience. Do you know what your opinion is worth?

You have a lot of learning to do; but it seems you're going backwards. You really know nothing.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:43 PM (roFmD)

129 I love writing.
I just hate all the readers.

Posted by: Internit Wit at December 28, 2014 12:43 PM (ZPrif)

130 Y'all do know that one of the reasons DC is so fucked up is that it's constantly in campaign mode. 2016 is two years away. But yet.........

Posted by: Soona at December 28, 2014 12:43 PM (V3IoZ)

131 Yeah, sorry we aren't all jumping on team Jeb because a poll shows the first guy to announce has the best name recognition 2 years from the election.

Posted by: Lauren at December 28, 2014 12:43 PM (MYCIw)

132 FWIW, I will be resuming our issues series after the holidays. We are doing EPA next, iirc.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 12:44 PM (9BRsg)

133 Jeb's still considered a public figure seven years after his term as governor ended?

Posted by: Box Canyon at December 28, 2014 12:44 PM (FGEvF)

134 electability ? Remember 1/2 the voters have below average intelligence appeal to them and 1 smart guy and you win

Posted by: righter at December 28, 2014 12:44 PM (QC4Xw)

135 I'd like to see Haley with Walker as VP. You can make up for his lack of charisma that way.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone


I've been coming around to that ticket as well. I still don't trust Walker at all on amnesty, but this may be the best ticket that we on the conservative side can get.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (4nR9/)

136
And suddenly, I'm remembering why I don't bother coming down here anymore. Goodbye.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (kdS6q)

137 125

Nah, look at the comment he was responding to.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (SIgM0)

138 I'm a lifelong Republican, but if my party nominates another extremist in 2016, I will seriously consider voting for the Democrat.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (Ks4nX)

139

"down here"

Down here?? Are you on Mt Olympus?

You child.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (roFmD)

140 I don't get the "run someone without charisma" arg for Walker. We have several strong govs who have charisma.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 12:40 PM (9BRsg)

Personally and as a citizen of Wisconsin, I adore Walker. I think he'd make an excellent President. I'm just not sure he'd make an excellent candidate. And I don't think you can be one without the other.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (dFi94)

141 If the GOP were smart it would be Nikki Haley/X in '16 b/c "it's time...historic 1st...womyn"

But we're not smart so we'll get a guy with Huckadoodles physique, Romney's conservative values, and Bush the younger baggage.....

GENIUS POLITICAL CLASS GOP!

//Schmidt INC

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 12:46 PM (EJx1G)

142 Too bad McGovern and Humphrey aren't still around, we could have

George Hubert v. Walker Bush

Posted by: duke at December 28, 2014 12:46 PM (enhDu)

143 The GOP is not an opposition party.

It is a substitution party.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:46 PM (MQEz6)

144 remove liberals from the poll and things would look very different ...

Posted by: KaiserDerden at December 28, 2014 12:46 PM (hYYqD)

145 "130
Y'all do know that one of the reasons DC is so fucked up is that it's
constantly in campaign mode. 2016 is two years away. But yet........."

That's all it's about, because it sure as hell isn't about governing.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 28, 2014 12:47 PM (BXkFh)

146 Funny how other people are able to write posts where there is a disagreement and manage to come off as not being a petulant whiny ass with each comment.

Posted by: buzzion at December 28, 2014 12:47 PM (zt+N6)

147 134 electability ? Remember 1/2 the voters have below average intelligence appeal to them and 1 smart guy and you win
Posted by: righter at December 28, 2014 12:44 PM (QC4Xw)

That is not what average means.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:48 PM (MQEz6)

148

Just remember this: Irrelevant. Young master Malor admitted the poll's sample is irrelevant, implying the only thing that mattered was the result.

Yeah, you're an expert on Polling 101.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:48 PM (roFmD)

149 Why aren't Spiro Agnew and Nelson Rockefeller on the list of candidates?

Posted by: Guy Trapped in the '70s at December 28, 2014 12:49 PM (Am9Tn)

150 That is not what average means.

----

Are you sure?

Posted by: Neil DeGrasse Tyson at December 28, 2014 12:49 PM (SIgM0)

151 Well. Like I said, Ima gonna get up from "down here" and go watch some football.....

Dont say anything interesting while I'm gone.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 28, 2014 12:49 PM (dFi94)

152 The fundamental difference between the people and the political class has less to do with political values, and where they stand on issues, and more to do with the fact that the people just want to live their lives, while the political class is trying to enrich itself within the political industry.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2014 12:50 PM (Dj0WE)

153 Jeb / Hillary (or Hillary / Jeb) 2016
on the Bipartisan Fusion Party ticket.

Splitters!!!

Posted by: the fusion of bipartisans party - biden/romney '16 at December 28, 2014 12:50 PM (CSXsy)

154 I want President Palin just so a small army of Democrats would kill themselves all the while complaining about the Republican 'War on Women!'

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 28, 2014 12:50 PM (AC0lD)

155 I wonder if Bush's emails don't help him. Although he annoys the piss out of me now, he was a very popular governor and perhaps I've conveniently forgotten that fact. His emails reveal a Governor who sought to cut the government rolls by 50%.

When I look back to his term as governor, and remember how much I liked him back then, I wonder whether he has moved so much to the middle or is he now playing to the middle for financial support.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 12:50 PM (DmNpO)

156 "132
FWIW, I will be resuming our issues series after the holidays."

There is only one issue, entitlements. There is no way for this country to get a handle on our massive debt and spending till that is addressed. Sad thing is, the GOP doesn't want to talk about that either.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 28, 2014 12:51 PM (BXkFh)

157 The most important thing to remember is that whomever wins the GOPe nomination you wingnuts better shut up and vote for him or else. You are fringe Conservative losers that don't understand how business is done.
If you have any questions write your representatives. I've already told them to tell you to shut up too.
BTW we need money.

Posted by: The Orange Man at December 28, 2014 12:52 PM (NHtMs)

158 How's things down here in the lower depths where the un-evolved slither and creep in their not-quite-human ways?

Posted by: Internit Wit at December 28, 2014 12:52 PM (ZPrif)

159 thought i would check in..

tiptoes back out of the room.

Posted by: willow at December 28, 2014 12:52 PM (nqBYe)

160 Ted Cruz is my favorite on that list but I don't think 2016 os his year.

I'd love for Palin to run but I think she's decided a while ago not too.

Posted by: votermom at December 28, 2014 12:52 PM (cbfNE)

161 I dare someone to find the December 1998 presidential poll from CNN.

Maybe Gabe could do that to prove his declaration that this poll is not meaningless.

Posted by: buzzion at December 28, 2014 12:52 PM (zt+N6)

162 139 slippery when soothsayer,

Now now Gabe posting here in the mire of the HQ is as selfless and Noble an action as Dante's descent to hell and climb to glory....

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 12:52 PM (/4AZU)

163 Cthulhu 2016. Why vote for a lesser evil?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2014 12:52 PM (mx5oN)

164 155 I wonder if Bush's emails don't help him. Although he annoys the piss out of me now, he was a very popular governor and perhaps I've conveniently forgotten that fact. His emails reveal a Governor who sought to cut the government rolls by 50%.

When I look back to his term as governor, and remember how much I liked him back then, I wonder whether he has moved so much to the middle or is he now playing to the middle for financial support.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 12:50 PM (DmNpO)

Jeb wants Amnesty and Common Core.

Unacceptable.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:53 PM (MQEz6)

165 Posted by: willow

----

Just in time!

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 12:53 PM (SIgM0)

166 Gabe, I am extremely frustrated about politics. No pol listens, they all have pretty much sold the electorate, the people that are supposed to vote for them, to their buddies who fund the elections. They also swank around giving each other prizes, titles and name bridges after each other, and increase taxes on the people who work instead of try to wrangle benefits to give goodies to people who hate me. They refuse to act on good information and only act to make themselves more money, the whole list of abuses goes on and on and on.

You come and print a nuffin poll by a virulently partisan organization that says, "surprise surprise" a Bush in the most popular canditate - the brother of a pol that they claimed was one human rights violation short of Nicolae Ceausescu, so you can expect a lot of disbelief and mocking.

Hey, you are here, CNN and our elected representatives aren't. Bring them here and we will attack them instead.

Oh, and you had the bad luck to follow a book thread that turned into a cooking thread.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2014 12:53 PM (t//F+)

167 A Palin campaign would immanentize the Eschaton. Hence, I'm fer it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 28, 2014 12:53 PM (KH1sk)

168 What about me?

Posted by: Zombie Harold Stassen at December 28, 2014 12:53 PM (W5DcG)

169 Pennywise the clown floats down here.

Posted by: IT Dept. at December 28, 2014 12:54 PM (FGEvF)

170
Is this what passes for content at Hot Air; I haven't been there in a coon's age?

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:54 PM (roFmD)

171 Jeb wants Amnesty and Common Core.

Unacceptable.

***

Oh! I agree! I just find it hard to believe he has moved so far to the left.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 12:54 PM (DmNpO)

172 You know who this helps?

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at December 28, 2014 12:54 PM (bS6uW)

173 137
125



Nah, look at the comment he was responding to.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (SIgM0)
Yeah, that's why I said "mostly." He was picking out one comment and ignoring the real problem with polls this early. Although I do agree with those that say these polls are used to pump up the Bush's of the world.I actually think the Gabe's poll here is more useful. Although the Horde clearly isn't representative, it's helpful to see what the people think. The key to beating a Bush or Christie will be uniting around a conservative alternative as quickly as possible. Not sure that is possible.

Posted by: duke at December 28, 2014 12:55 PM (enhDu)

174 Down here on the planet

Things don't look so good

If we could solve so many problems

You'd really think we would

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:55 PM (1Y+hH)

175 I dare someone to find the December 1998 presidential poll from CNN.


You rang?

Posted by: President Mark McGwire/VP Posh Spice at December 28, 2014 12:55 PM (9F2c1)

176 11:03

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 28, 2014 12:55 PM (sEUh+)

177 130 Y'all do know that one of the reasons DC is so fucked up is that it's constantly in campaign mode. 2016 is two years away. But yet.........

Posted by: Soona at December 28, 2014 12:43 PM (V3IoZ)


Yup. And, when the current Fuckmebus bill runs its course late next year, the collective pants pissing over being too close to the elections in 2016 to risk bad press due to a "government shutdown" will begin. There will be no alternative but continued wholesale capitulation to Barack. Thus, the cycle of shit continues.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik's on vacation at December 28, 2014 12:55 PM (MOjUR)

178 171 Jeb wants Amnesty and Common Core.

Unacceptable.

***

Oh! I agree! I just find it hard to believe he has moved so far to the left.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 12:54 PM (DmNpO)

Maybe he was pretending then and is not pretending now.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 12:55 PM (MQEz6)

179 Oh for pity's sake. We all refer to the comments as "down here". Gabe does it and suddenly it's a grave insult to the Moron Horde.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 12:56 PM (SIgM0)

180
Now now Gabe posting here in the mire of the HQ is as selfless and Noble an action as Dante's descent to hell and climb to glory....
Posted by: Sven10077




Truly, many have called him a living saint because of his sacrifices.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 28, 2014 12:56 PM (kdS6q)

181 wonder if Jeb is going to do an 'interview' and bake cookies or pumkin risotto, so he can show off his man card creds.....

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 28, 2014 12:56 PM (sEUh+)

182
158 How's things down here in the lower depths where the un-evolved slither and creep in their not-quite-human ways?
Posted by: Internit Wit at December 28, 2014 12:52 PM (ZPrif)


"down here" has The Barrel, "up there" has Poppin' Fresh.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 28, 2014 12:57 PM (bWFHa)

183 To the (currently 11) Romney votes - why? I'd like to hear your case.

Posted by: duke at December 28, 2014 12:57 PM (enhDu)

184 Flouncing is never attractive.

Posted by: votermom at December 28, 2014 12:57 PM (cbfNE)

185 "down here"

Down here?? Are you on Mt Olympus?

You child.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (roFmD)


He could have said "up here" or "over here" and you would still be bitching about what he said. He's tired of being attacked just because the message isn't to the liking of everybody. Which really is a darn shame.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 28, 2014 12:57 PM (g+akU)

186 Oh for pity's sake. We all refer to the comments as "down here". Gabe does it and suddenly it's a grave insult to the Moron Horde.

****

It's pretty incredible the speed with which folks will jump on Gabe. It leaves them vulnerable to some epic trolling were he to choose that path.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 12:57 PM (DmNpO)

187 179 Jenny Hates Her Phone,

I'm just happy he posted this vitally needed poll.

Now having obviated the need for campaign 2016 we can just coronation Hillary!

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 12:58 PM (/4AZU)

188 I'm just quoting some favorite song lyrics.

Gabe is taking things way too seriously.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2014 12:59 PM (1Y+hH)

189 Oh! I agree! I just find it hard to believe he has moved so far to the left.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's
---------------

Political expediency.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 28, 2014 12:59 PM (U93Mr)

190 173 137
125



Nah, look at the comment he was responding to.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 12:45 PM (SIgM0)
Yeah, that's why I said "mostly." He was picking out one comment and ignoring the real problem with polls this early. Although I do agree with those that say these polls are used to pump up the Bush's of the world.I actually think the Gabe's poll here is more useful. Although the Horde clearly isn't representative, it's helpful to see what the people think. The key to beating a Bush or Christie will be uniting around a conservative alternative as quickly as possible. Not sure that is possible.
Posted by: duke at December 28, 2014 12:55 PM (enhDu)

The key is to provide the people with something they haven't seen in decades.

A Presidential candidate like Ronald Reagan.

RR told both the Democrats and the GOP to suck ass (nicely, of course).

Gabe and his GOP masters hate RR and everything he represents.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 01:00 PM (MQEz6)

191
Oh for pity's sake. We all refer to the comments as "down here"
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone



There's a reference to a location -- and then there's vituperation and a declaration you're leaving before you get the lace on your cuffs soiled by the common peasantry.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 28, 2014 01:00 PM (kdS6q)

192 Gabe, I am extremely frustrated about politics. No pol listens,

George Will likes to say they listen too much and deliver all the programs which are bankrupting the nation.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 28, 2014 01:00 PM (W5DcG)

193 I have given up on the American people. They are for the most part, retards.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 28, 2014 01:00 PM (XzRw1)

194 180 Laurie David's cervix,

If you could clang and bang with Poppin' Fresh's groupies or get fleas from Camp Hobo where would you kick it?

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 01:00 PM (/4AZU)

195 OK, I voted.

Now where's my Elbow Thread?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2014 01:01 PM (GrXXa)

196 >>>> They are for the most part, retards.



yo!

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 28, 2014 01:01 PM (sEUh+)

197 Never Mind

Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2014 01:01 PM (GrXXa)

198 Never Mind

Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2014 01:01 PM (GrXXa)

199
193 I have given up on the American people. They are for the most part, retards.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 28, 2014 01:00 PM (XzRw1)


No, half of them are retards and the other half are "above average retards".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 28, 2014 01:01 PM (bWFHa)

200 I suspect Jeb Bush is alot like Jon Huntsman, Jr.

Their records as governor have a lot to do with their legislatures.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 01:02 PM (9BRsg)

201 Scott Walker is my personal favorite, with Ted Cruz a close second. That seems to be how the poll is going so far, too.

On a side note, Jeb has already tipped his traitorous hand. He's said that he's willing to lose the primary in order to win in the general. This means he's already looking into a third-party run in the event we hobbits manage to overcome the party establishment and get someone we actually like on the ticket.

I would expect the e-stab-lishment to continue backing Jeb in that scenario, so, yeah, be prepared.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 28, 2014 01:02 PM (5pg79)

202
198 Never Mind
Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2014 01:01 PM (GrXXa)


Aren't there supposed to be some compliance pics attached to that "never mind"?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 28, 2014 01:03 PM (bWFHa)

203 If he didn't mean "down here" and "bother" the way some including I think he meant it, he can say so.

Until then, it is not inconsistent with his previous behavior.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 01:03 PM (MQEz6)

204 To the (currently 11) Romney votes - why? I'd like to hear your case.
Posted by: duke
---------------------

Strictly for the sake of argument, it is at least possible that a considerable segment of society has witnessed the economic/social decay of the country and concluded that things would be better if they had voted Romney.

That would give him a leg up over other candidates of either party.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 28, 2014 01:03 PM (U93Mr)

205 Ronald Reagan won by running against the Soviet Union and the malaise. There is no more Soviet Union (at least officially) and the MSM says the economy is booming and happy days are here again.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 28, 2014 01:06 PM (W5DcG)

206 a declaration you're leaving before you get the lace on your cuffs soiled by the common peasantry.
Posted by: Laurie David'
-----------------

* brushing furiously at cuffs *

Dammit..., stayed here too long.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 28, 2014 01:07 PM (U93Mr)

207 Oh for pity's sake. We all refer to the comments as "down here". Gabe does it and suddenly it's a grave insult to the Moron Horde.
--

Oh -- he didn't mean his insult as an insult?

Ok then. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Internit Wit at December 28, 2014 01:07 PM (ZPrif)

208 I can't see why commenters have to get upset that someone with high name recognition scores high in a poll testing name recognition. It is just information, nothing more.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 28, 2014 01:07 PM (g+akU)

209 When I read that list all I see are rapists.

Posted by: Sabrina Rubin Erdely at December 28, 2014 01:07 PM (9GG/0)

210 The people want ObamaCare terminated, yesterday.

When they see the GOP fail to do so next year the shit will hit the fan.

Watch for Gabe and his fellow travelers to defend the GOP tooth and nail.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 01:07 PM (MQEz6)

211 Scott Walker is my personal favorite, with Ted Cruz a close second. That seems to be how the poll is going so far, too.

***

I have Walker first, then Perry. Cruz is probably third.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 01:07 PM (DmNpO)

212 Critical decisions after 9/11 led to slow, steady decline in quality for Secret Service

http://tinyurl.com/l5a6k62

More fucking Bush gifts that keep on giving. Fuck the Bush.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 28, 2014 01:08 PM (XzRw1)

213 While i might prefer Cruz, Perry, or Walker-

I've finally come to the conclusion that I want Hailey to run and win the nom.

I'm pretty sure the Dims will run either Hillary! or Fauxcahontas.

And hope to recreate Obama's racist voting pattern and Clinton's Boomer voting pattern among wymyn.

Hailey would absolutely monkey wrench that plan and lead to a very interesting battle of qualifications and personality,

which Hailey should win handily.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2014 01:09 PM (KBvAm)

214 I voted for Mitt for one reason. The gopE needs a historic first too. He will be the historical figure who first lost to the guy who lost to the light bringer then lost to the magic negro then lost to the magic vagina.

Hell of a way to go into the history book.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at December 28, 2014 01:09 PM (zLOJ1)

215 When I said you were stupid and an idiot, I didn't necessarily mean that in an insulting way.

I mean, I did, but not necessarily.

Posted by: Internit Wit at December 28, 2014 01:09 PM (ZPrif)

216 208

We don't need no stinkin' information, you RINO.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 01:10 PM (SIgM0)

217 It seems some people are spoiling for a fight, such being the case any excuse will do.

Time for a flame war:


You wacko-birds are going to get plucked just like that chicken when the mighty GOPe gets done with you! Jeb Bush is going to mop the floor with all of your "true" conservatives!

Rove Forever!!!!!!

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 28, 2014 01:10 PM (g+akU)

218 210
...


Watch for Gabe and his fellow travelers to defend the GOP tooth and nail.


Signs
Point to Yes

Posted by: Magic 8 Ball at December 28, 2014 01:10 PM (XzRw1)

219 voted for Walker all the way.
there is no 2nd or 3rd choice for me.

Posted by: chemjeff manspreading on the sofa at December 28, 2014 01:11 PM (9GG/0)

220 Still like Perry tops in this list, Walker seems good but has limited national exposure and hasn't gone through the fire of a presidential campaign. Also Haley should be listed.

Posted by: waelse1 at December 28, 2014 01:11 PM (x+P8L)

221 Die from something that can't be seen? You astound me, Gabriel. Now... dig!!!

Posted by: captain james t. kirk at December 28, 2014 01:11 PM (CSXsy)

222 215

You mean when you called others on this site "morons" it wasn't a friendly inside joke/term of endearment?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 01:12 PM (SIgM0)

223 Remember, when you vote for a RINO you are voting to take power away from Democrats, do nothing with that power to reverse what Democrats have done, and then watch the Democrats take the power back.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2014 01:12 PM (MQEz6)

224 George Will likes to say they listen too much and deliver all the programs which are bankrupting the nation.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 28, 2014 01:00 PM (W5DcG)


And George Will is full of that noblesse oblige that comes with being told your entire life that you are better than the scum that votes for you or buys your f#####g magazine.

There is no indication that these fools in office care about providing services half as much as buying votes, those that aren't actually involved with open, knowing corruption.
We've always had corruption, because vile people like to have that power. But the buying votes is what will destroy us.

Here, read about the destruction of the Roman state.

https://mises.org/library/socialism-and-decivilization

Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2014 01:12 PM (t//F+)

225 218 Magic 8 Ball,

Dear 8 ball is this the hill to die on?

//MC Rove

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 28, 2014 01:12 PM (/4AZU)

226 Guys, guys,

Jeb is the hill we need to die on !!

seriously who would not want to vote for a 3rd Bush??

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 28, 2014 01:12 PM (sEUh+)

227 Still like Perry tops in this list, Walker seems good but has limited national exposure and hasn't gone through the fire of a presidential campaign. Also Haley should be listed.

****

Fire of a Presidential campaign? So a leading qualification is a failed shot at the Presidency?

How about the fire of having the entirety of the Democrat and Union machine come down on your head.... thrice...and winning?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 01:14 PM (DmNpO)

228 Not even a "none of the above" selection in the poll. Yawn.

If she wants the job, she will be the GOP's 2016 presidential nominee.

Posted by: mrp at December 28, 2014 01:16 PM (JBggj)

229 227

Yeah, I definitely feel like Walker's presentation/personality is an issue, but he is nothing if not thoroughly tested.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 28, 2014 01:16 PM (SIgM0)

230 209 When I read that list all I see are rapists.
Posted by: Sabrina Rubin Erdely at December 28, 2014 01:07 PM (9GG/0)

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LOL'd

Posted by: seems legit at December 28, 2014 01:16 PM (A98Xu)

231 When I read that list all I see are rapists.
Posted by: Sabrina Rubin Erdely at December 28, 2014 01:07 PM (9GG/0)

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LOL'd

*****


I see rapists.

Where do you see them?

Everywhere.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 01:20 PM (DmNpO)

232 Dear 8 ball is this the hill to die on?

//MC Rove

Very Doubtful.

Posted by: Magic 8 Ball at December 28, 2014 01:20 PM (XzRw1)

233 Ahh now Gabe is just a "sensitive" type.

Posted by: Common Sense at December 28, 2014 01:21 PM (+YNzP)

234 On a side note, Jeb has already tipped his traitorous hand. He's said
that he's willing to lose the primary in order to win in the general.
This means he's already looking into a third-party run in the event we
hobbits manage to overcome the party establishment and get someone we
actually like on the ticket.

I would expect the e-stab-lishment to continue backing Jeb in that scenario, so, yeah, be prepared.


I don't think he'd do it, and I don't think the GOPe would dare support him if he did. However, it would be an extremely clarifying moment, and would doubtlessly lead to the rise of a viable 3rd party, and I believe it would be one that could win.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2014 01:21 PM (4nR9/)

235 #234: I hope you're right about that, Pep, on all counts.

Oh, and another point in Walker's favor is, I think he could win at least two states with double-digit EVs where Republicans have really struggled in recent years. Wisconsin, of course, where he's a popular governor, and Colorado, where he was born.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 28, 2014 01:29 PM (5pg79)

236 I won't be voting for Bush. If the Republican Party wants my support, they'll have to have a conservative at the top of the ticket.

Posted by: hadoop at December 28, 2014 01:32 PM (2X7pN)

237 I see rapists. All the time. They're everywhere. Walking around like regular people. And they don't even know that they're rapists.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2014 01:36 PM (mx5oN)

238 I so want to make a joke about Gabe being into Bush, but I won't. I denounce myself anyway.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 28, 2014 01:37 PM (RRbuy)

239 Impeach Earl Warren!

Posted by: Everett Dirkson at December 28, 2014 01:41 PM (lG2E3)

240 What I like about Perry is the Happy Warrior vibe. And he is the one gov who has gone around the country attracting companies.

To me that's an attractive positive natl msg.

Walker's selling pt seems to me more negatuve, like Christie. Being anti-union does not strike me as a great general election campaign theme.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 01:46 PM (9BRsg)

241 Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik's on vacation at December 28, 2014 12:55 PM (MOjUR)

I view that as another accomplishment of the GOPe in defanging the Republican fiscal conservatives for the entire term, not just the first year. They effectively gifted an unchecked Obama a carte blanche budget rather than tackle any aspect of rethinking government programs, and you are right, even though everyone knows NOW that a 2016 budget should be debated and discussed over the next ten months or so before it is finalized, it won't be, then presto the government shutdown card will be played by the Dems and GOPe alike and the stupid party will have snatched yet another defeat for the jaws of victory in a seemingly unending string of graft, venality, and corruption.

After all, the funding required for that Congressional exemption insider trading action to make them rich doesn't happen all by itself.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 28, 2014 01:51 PM (fL/7/)

242 Bush can be the first candidate to win with his party's base actively campaigning against him. Dead people, illegal US citizens, felons, and former Romney enthusiast will carry the day.

Posted by: Huggy at December 28, 2014 01:54 PM (PGh+Q)

243 What this country needs is a raving goofball, a total lunatic that's amusing and entertaining in office. Joe Biden would do, someone that just makes you laugh and shake your head because at this point it just doesn't matter who's in office except how fast it all goes down in flames.

People have got to get past this delusion that having the right guy in the presidency will fix things or save anything. There's no saving this. Even if there was, one guy in one office won't and can't do it. It ain't happening. Just sit back and watch the carnage. Pop some popcorn. Pet your cat. Cuddle your sweetheart on the couch. Relax. Stressing over this stuff is pointless, its like trying to fight an earthquake with lawn care equipment.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 28, 2014 01:54 PM (39g3+)

244 I would be fine with Perry as our candidate. He was my overall favorite candidate at two points in the 2012 primaries, when he first declared and a few months later when I decided I could overlook his "You have no heart" comment in favor of his better attributes.

I'd also be fine with Nikki Haley, and I agree with those commenters who said earlier that she should've been included in this poll.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 28, 2014 01:54 PM (5pg79)

245 Really, for me, the poll comes down to:

(a) Jeb Bush

(b) Stick my head in a running wood chipper

And I would have to seriously reflect on that decision.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 28, 2014 01:57 PM (noWW6)

246 Illegal US citizens is a code word for amnesty receivers and is thick sarcasm. The above comment means I don't think Bush can win without shenanigans.

Posted by: Huggy at December 28, 2014 01:58 PM (PGh+Q)

247 Balance the budget and reduce the federal bureaucracy (for real, not just lip service). Will vote Libertarian before I vote for GOPe. Rand Paul has my support right now.

Posted by: Rob Westbrook at December 28, 2014 01:58 PM (xyUKM)

248 "What I like about Perry is the Happy Warrior vibe."

Why yes. The man's got lots of heart.

And he wasn't shy about telling those of us who don't believe in socialist open-borders crap like subsidized state university tuition for illegal aliens that we lack hearts of our own.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 28, 2014 02:00 PM (noWW6)

249 I didn't see "a pair of skewers through the eyes" as a choice in the poll.

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2014 02:03 PM (sdi6R)

250 "Will vote Libertarian before I vote for GOPe. Rand Paul has my support right now."

I have voted big-L libertarian a few times in the past as a protest vote.

Luap Nard seems to suffer from the same delusion which has traditionally infected Libertarian thinking, which is the idea that the USA can have wide open borders and hand out citizenship left and right.

Pointing out that wide open borders and EZ citizenship coupled to a generous welfare state is a recipe for national suicide engenders the response that, well, you see, once we Libertarians are in charge, we'll do away with the welfare state entirely, so anyone who comes here will be coming only to work and be self-supporting.

Oh. Yes. How foolish of me not to see that. Just "do away with the welfare state entirely", with a dismissive wave of a languid hand. So easy!

I vaguely recall the ultrasuperpowered alien "Q" in _Star Trek_ saying something along the lines of, "Just change the gravitational constant of the Universe." Similarly simple! Big thinking!

Posted by: torquewrench at December 28, 2014 02:04 PM (noWW6)

251 Sure Rand Paul, hell vote for Ron Paul. He's daffy and unpredictable enough. John McCain, whoever. The guy in office needs to be there for entertainment value, not actual leadership or quality. Why waste someone who's actually good at the job at this point?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 28, 2014 02:05 PM (39g3+)

252 I will not be voting for Bush. My personal dream team would be Walker or Perry teamed with Palin. It would take guts to run her again as VP, so it would show a candidate who was willing to take risks.

Posted by: Chilling the most at December 28, 2014 02:05 PM (wWs6x)

253 Don't let this poll discourage you.

We have some good choices. We just need to try to make sure the cons don't beat up on each other to the advantage of pricks like Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 02:06 PM (9BRsg)

254 I can accept that the Republican Party is not a very conservative party. I can't accept that they are also completely ineffective at achieving even their middle of the road priorities.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 28, 2014 02:07 PM (rwI+c)

255 i stand corrected- Walker/Cruz

Posted by: Lord Whorfin at December 28, 2014 02:08 PM (kMoe2)

256 Hold on a minute.......WHERE'S THE "F*CK NO, I AIN'T VOTIN' FOR THE GOPe!!" option?

Posted by: Mikey Shwarma at December 28, 2014 02:08 PM (2mJMN)

257 re 253 I don't like Bush's politics but I don't think he is a prick. I think he is worse. A true believer. He is trying to pave the road to hell using other people's money.

Posted by: Huggy at December 28, 2014 02:13 PM (PGh+Q)

258 We need Jeb to put the GOP fingerprints of approval on all of Ofuckups fuckups.

Posted by: --- at December 28, 2014 02:15 PM (MMC8r)

259 Go ahead and vilify me. I am f-nig tired of losing with Mr. nice Guy! I will back Christie at this point. He is not--repeat not-- as conservative as I am by any means. BUT he will take Hillary on and fight! Who else will? Nada, that's who! I want to win and Christie is electable. And that is important to me! Winning! He is certainly not Obama or Hillary!! I think the country depends on our winning this time. That is, after all, how the Democrats have got us to the point of socialism. A bit at a time. We have to work smart!

Posted by: AnnaS at December 28, 2014 02:16 PM (P+I7L)

260 257
re 253 I don't like Bush's politics but I don't think he is a prick. I
think he is worse. A true believer. He is trying to pave the road to
hell using other people's money.

Grinfucker/Carson 2016.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 28, 2014 02:17 PM (XzRw1)

261 I agree Huggy, I don't think he's a monster he's just wrong. He's with the rest of the GOP establishment described so well by Ben Shapiro in the sidebar recently, and bears repeating:

"Republican elites do not believe in the dismantling of the welfare state; they believe in its maintenance. They do not believe in the unsophisticated free marketeering of the tea party; they believe in a strong government hand on the economic tiller, so long as that hand is benevolent toward their friends. They do not believe in small government; they believe in large government that serves their ends."

They want the power and money and prestige of big government and the servile corporations kneeling before them to offer tribute. They want the cash they leave office with to their cushy no-work job like a mobster. They don't give a crap about the constitution, the people, or the rule of law, except so far as it advances their desires.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 28, 2014 02:17 PM (39g3+)

262 PS in a country of over 300 million, surely there are contenders without the name Bush or Clinton???

Posted by: AnnaS at December 28, 2014 02:18 PM (P+I7L)

263 This Chris Taylor fella has the right idea. Fuck it. Let it burn now.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 28, 2014 02:18 PM (XzRw1)

264 Huggy
I think Jeb's open contempt for conservative "base" voters earns him the p-word.
Ace did a great post on Jeb a week or so ago that sums up why a lot of us will not vote for him.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 02:19 PM (9BRsg)

265 #255: Cruz is awesome, but I'd rather have him as Senate Majority Leader than Vice-President. He could do more good there.

I'd rather not waste the best Senator we have by putting him on the bottom half of a presidential ticket. If he runs for President and wins the nomination, then he's totally got my support. But if he comes in second, I'd rather see him remain in the Senate.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 28, 2014 02:21 PM (5pg79)

266 I just wish people would get past the delusion that "better off any Republican than the Democrats" on the principle that the Dems are pushing such an evil agenda that anyone is better to stop them.

I'd agree.... 25-30 years ago. But now? That agenda is in place and cannot be stopped or turned back. It will lead to only one inevitable crashing end, and its only a matter of when at this point. All voting for a Republican does is maybe slow the crash slightly. And the sooner we get it over with, the sooner we can start to rebuild.

People talk about revolution here sometimes; well think of this as a different sort of revolution. The end result is the same, it all gets torn down and we start over. Its just a question of whether we do it to them, or they do it to themselves. And I don't want that blood on my hands, do you?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 28, 2014 02:21 PM (39g3+)

267 re 264 point well taken.

Posted by: Huggy at December 28, 2014 02:23 PM (PGh+Q)

268
Fire of a Presidential campaign? So a leading qualification is a failed shot at the Presidency?

How about the fire of having the entirety of the Democrat and Union machine come down on your head.... thrice...and winning?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2014 01:14 PM (DmNpO)

Hey I'm not ripping Walker, but remember how our perception of Perry changed after some poor debate performances? Walker needs to make his case with words and not just the deeds you mentioned.

Posted by: waelse1 at December 28, 2014 02:24 PM (x+P8L)

269 I'm not sure what Christie would do that would be different from any Democrat.

Posted by: --- at December 28, 2014 02:24 PM (MMC8r)

270 Anybody but Jeb, Christie, Huntsman, Romney...aww let's keep it simple...anybody other than the guy preferred by the RNC.

2016 we are going to see a conservative third party candidate, is my guess.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at December 28, 2014 02:30 PM (cBlx8)

271 re 266 I think God's design in regards to the US is starting to unfold and become visible to the masses. It's hard to get and keep good help. All the cronies are about to take a hard fall. In the end the climate is easier in Central and South American than it is in North America. The World Government jobs in DC are being outsourced to Europe, China, India and Russia.

Posted by: Huggy at December 28, 2014 02:36 PM (PGh+Q)

272 White imperialism strikes again-

White imperialism asks black airplane passenger to turn down his music, he cries racism, Fergusonhttp://tinyurl.com/nvj6z6v






Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 28, 2014 02:36 PM (XzRw1)

273 No John McCain? The man is a monument.

My friends, you have nothing to fear with John McCain in the Whitehouse!

Posted by: John McCain at December 28, 2014 02:40 PM (/pOl7)

274
@107 Polling 101. The GOP numbers are based on the GOP

and GOP-leaning respondents only. It is irrelevant to the GOP results

what the Dem respondents said, and vice versa.
Posted by: Gabe Malor at December 28, 2014 12:25 PM (T8K4K)

Correction
Gabe, the GOP numbers are based on self-identifying GOP and GOP-leaning
respondents who actually are willing to answer questions.

---
You made no correction, notice the word "respondents" in Gabe's post.

Posted by: jbarntt at December 28, 2014 02:48 PM (i4lxC)

275 Posted by: John McCain at December 28, 2014 02:40 PM (/pOl7)

Every day I wonder if Sen McCain has become self aware enough to say to himself in a quiet moment, "Boy, did I ever screw up when I told people that they had nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 28, 2014 02:50 PM (fL/7/)

276 Jeb, ha ha ha ha ha. Honestly, is that all they've got? The Bushes have done all that they could to destroy the Reagan legacy. I guess the establishment wants to send Jeb in to finish it off. It already feels like we are reliving the 70s, so why not toss in a Ford or a Nixon-like liberal Republican to make that malaise all that more authentic. Jeb, ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ugh

Posted by: Mistress NOpe at December 28, 2014 02:50 PM (2/oBD)

277 I'm not sure what Christie would do that would be different from any Democrat.

Republican backers would get more of the graft.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 28, 2014 02:54 PM (rwI+c)

278 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 28, 2014 12:29 PM (5f5bM)

Amen. We need a candidate who is likable. I love Romney, he would have been an infinitely better president than Obama (SCOTUS alone is worth pulling the lever for the GOP). But... He comes off as stiff to the people who need persuading.

I watched the Wisconsin governor's debate the other day, Walker is impressive. Much better than I thought he would be.

http://bit.ly/WalkerDebate



Posted by: Doug at December 28, 2014 02:58 PM (La9bv)

279 I'm looking for a candidate who will neutralize political enemies and their constituencies (so long as they happen to be my enemies). I'm all about using government to bend to my ends.

Jeb seems to have had some success in coopting opposing views and winning elections handily. This is good. Common Core (Corps) is idiotic but if no one takes it seriously then no harm no foul.

Walker has demonstrated this capacity in Wisconsin, which puts him at the top of my list.

Christie has a way of taking out his political enemies but I'm not sure if I'm on his enemies' list, though he does have the propensity for unleashing dirty tricks, which I like.

Kasich is canny and has been effective in reigning in enemy constituencies.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 28, 2014 03:00 PM (Dhdnu)

280 By all means, let's have the media and our establishment superiors choose our candidate for us again.

Posted by: brevity at December 28, 2014 03:01 PM (8xlhb)

281
Bush ISN'T electable. Way, way, way too much baggage. The name, his rich elitism, his poor stance on meaningful issues.

You can nominate his man (or Christie), but this will be the first time in my adult lifetime that I don't vote for the republican candidate. I am sick of getting these big government, crony capitalist, establishment guys crammed down on me. I'll vote for a protest candidate.

You're choice - but I'm not going along this time.

Posted by: Lily at December 28, 2014 03:02 PM (dXCcK)

282 DEMOCRATS VOTING AGAIN!

Posted by: marcus t. cicero at December 28, 2014 03:04 PM (SmCFT)

283 ...sorry, reining in enemy constituencies.

Also, it's noteworthy how the lib assholes had directed so much focus on Brownback in KS, as if the gov't teachers in Chicago and LA could really give a shit about anything in Kansas. Brownback has had tremendous success in retaining and attracting jobs in Kansas with his aggressive tax policy, which according to the MFM made him a dead man walking in 2014. Hopefully, we'll see a slashing in Topeka that'll drive down expenditures and get to a truly smaller gov't.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 28, 2014 03:06 PM (Dhdnu)

284 So, who's missing?

Posted by: Mindy at December 28, 2014 03:27 PM (rcXlm)

285 Nikki Haley, imho, Mindy.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 03:33 PM (9BRsg)

286 Kasich killed himself w/ medicaid expansion.

Posted by: Y-not semi-retired on the phone at December 28, 2014 03:34 PM (9BRsg)

287 Hi, Mindy! Yeah, I'm with Y-Not about Nikki Haley being left off, here.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 28, 2014 03:48 PM (5pg79)

288 No. No more Bushes.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 28, 2014 03:52 PM (h/uPs)

289 What happened, Paul Ryan was sooo dreamy last election now he gets ~1%.

and

No more Bushes.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 28, 2014 04:31 PM (NaeCR)

290 I see morons just LOVE Jeb Bush.

Interesting that Walker polls so well among us. I think both the establishment and the base can unite behind him. I respect him and can vote for him.

Another Bush? NO.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at December 28, 2014 08:27 PM (CW6pW)

291 I could support Walker, but would he fight or just be another Romney Nice Guy? I am not bashing Romney--just sayin' it will take a strong one to go against the PIAPS.

Posted by: AnnaS at December 28, 2014 10:06 PM (P+I7L)

292 Walker certainly has a track record of fighting once he's in office. Observe the union-driven recall attempt of a couple of years ago for evidence.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 28, 2014 11:02 PM (5pg79)

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