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Fundamental Concepts - On Racism [Weirddave]

Here's something that has been bouncing around the brain box lately. Three things actually, all of which have to do with race and racism. Lets take them one at a time.


black can.jpg

That's Racist!


By the strictest definition, everybody is racist, we can't help it

Human beings have two inherent qualities that quite impossible to ever eliminate "racism" entirely. Number one, we're tribal by nature. This is hard wired into our DNA, either by our creator or as a survival mechanism we inherited from our ancestors as we evolved. Why doesn't matter, but humans see things through the lens of "us" and "them" (I'm going to forgo quotes from here on out. Pixy doesn't like them and it's a pain to remove black diamonds). Us can be anything, it's an integral part of our self identity; my tribe, my family, my sports team, my nation, my club, my religion, my race, etc... Them is anyone who doesn't fit into whatever category is of paramount importance at the moment. There are various levels of usness and themness, and individual may be Them one second and Us the next. "That Johnson boy is a neighbor, but how dare he try to kiss my daughter, he's not one of us, I'll kill him!" * Barbarians attack * "Look out Johnson boy!" * Shoots barbarian about to impale JB on his spear * "Are you OK JB? Good, take this pistol and defend the house, I'm going after those sons of bitches." Us and Them is fluid and depends on context, but human beings categorize other humans without thought, slotting them into various Uses and Thems. We could no more stop it than we could breath water (waterbreathers. Ugh, I hate THEM).

The second thing working against us is that our primarily sense for experiencing the world is sight. We are visual creatures. In the context of racism based upon skin tone, combined with our automatic sorting of people into us and them, this is a double whammy. Color is, after simple light and dark (which makes vision possible in the first place), the first thing we notice. When the thing we notice is another person, as our subconscious mind starts it's us and them sort, color is going to have an outsized prominence in the equation.

So there you have it. Humans are physiologically hard wired to be, if not racist, at least race conscious. Does that mean we're doomed to living in a world that's always at least a little racist? Probably (the one scenario that I can think of that might change this is a species wide extinction level event, like an invasion by hostile aliens that forces humans to adopt an Us that means "human"). A bigger question is, does it matter? Maybe not.

We can help how we incorporate our inherent racism into our lives

As we've established, human beings are inherently racially conscious. I would argue that this isn't a positive trait. So what? Humans are inherently selfish, violent and mean as well. Those aren't positive traits either. What's important is how we act.

Don't tell the left, but you can't change people into something else. There is no New Soviet Man. All we have to work with is this flawed mortal clay. Here's where civilization comes into the picture. The purpose of civilization is to curb our baser human tendencies into something that's conducive to a functioning group of humans. People who can't control their violent tendencies are quarantined (jail) or eliminated. People who can't control their selfish nature are shunned. Mean people may be one or the other, depending on the circumstances. Why should racism be any different?

It's not, and nobody on the right that I've ever met thinks it is. Most of us realize that the United States today is a remarkably non-racist country, no matter what the MSM tries to tell you. We have succeeded in eliminating racism to a degree that I would argue hasn't been seen in the history of man. Institutional racism is dead. Societal racism is shunned to the point that it's taboo on par with incest. Individual racism? Well, it exists, but it's revealed in a very circumspect manner.

Personal anecdote.

I was getting my hair cut in the local barbershop one day. I had just moved to the neighborhood, and my car had been broken into and the stereo stolen. I mentioned it to the barber (we're both white), and he said "It was probably some damn black kid who came up here from the city on the #3 (bus)". I didn't say anything, but I said to myself "This guy is a racist" and from then forward I tried to patronize other barbers in the shop. Then one day I saw something interesting. I was getting my hair cut by a different barber when a black woman came in with a couple of rowdy kids in tow. Here was a stereotype just made for disdain for a racist. She was fat, her kids were urban and belligerent, they were obviously lower class urban, likely from different fathers (there were three kids and their skin tone varied a lot. I know that doesn't mean anything, but that's my observation, my filtering of Us and Them). What did the "racist" barber do? He greeted her professionally with a smile, bantered a bit, took the kids one at a time into his chair and gave them excellent haircuts. He thanked them for coming in, and asked them to come back again soon, even when they didn't tip. (I made an excuse to hang out just to see how it all played out).

Well. Here's a conundrum. A man I had tagged as racist because of his statement had just acted in a decidedly non-racist fashion. He revealed his racist thoughts to me because he tagged me as part of his Us, but then when a time came where he might act upon those thoughts, he didn't. He didn't treat his customers as Them.

Honestly, what more can society ask? Think or believe what you will. Say what you want (within limits). How you act....that's where the rubber meets the road. You could be as racist at Woodrow Wilson, but if it doesn't affect how you treat people, so what? To my mind, and I think to most conservatives, that's the reality of racism.

How does this apply to real life today?

Lets just review for a minute. Racism is a universal human trait. It is also nearly universally condemned by society. These two forces are in opposition to each other. Because of that, an accusation of racism is a powerful weapon. It's also a weapon that is only effective against people who recognize that racism is bad and want to be non-racist. Think about it. Accuse the grand Keegle (or Klaven or Klegel or Klown, whatever he calls himself) of the KKK of racism. He'll look at you like you're nuts. "Of course I am, do you see the robe? Do you see the hood?". He'll then give you chapter and verse why he thinks racism is good. Dig up Adolf Hitler, reanimate him and mention that you have some concerns about the way he treats Jews. He'll tell you Duh, I wrote a whole book about it. ACTUAL RACISTS ARE PROUD OF BEING RACIST. You and I? That's a different story.

Suppose someone accused you of rape. You know rape is a thing, a vile thing, and you've just been accused of doing it. You're going to defend yourself. Same thing with murder. Same thing with racism. You instinctively react in defensive mode, and by doing so you give the accusation a validity that it doesn't deserve. The focus shifts from the facts to your denial.

That's the nub of it. Accusations of racism in America today are almost always attempts to shut down an honest discussion of the facts. Zimmerman wasn't attacked by Martin, he was a racist. Brown didn't attack Wilson, Wilson killed Brown because he is a racist. Antonio Martin didn't point a Hi-Point 9MM at a cop and get killed for his trouble, it's racism. And so on, and so on, and so on.

It's not going to stop. As we've seen, racism is inherent in all of us, it's evil, and no matter how hard we try as a society and a people to suppress it, when something happens that can even remotely be classified as racist, no matter the facts, it's going to be framed that way. Why? Because it puts non-racists on the defensive and defangs their arguments.

It's damn brilliant. Every single one of you reading this is going to have to pee in the next 24 hours. If I can somehow convince you that you need to apologize for peeing, why, I've got a lot of power over you, don't I?

Most conservatives are concerned with how an individual acts. Think what you want, I don't care, I care what you do. Liberals care about how one thinks and feels. You say welfare state has destroyed the black family? Who cares, I support it because it makes me feel good about myself. I'm doing good! Look at me everyone, I'm good!

"Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet." Once again Kipling nails it.


Oh, and that racist can pictured at the top? Here's the other side of it.


white can.jpg

Now, is that can racist, or inclusive? I dunno, you tell me.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:41 AM




Comments

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1 when I take a black passenger...
their money is green just like whitey's

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 09:37 AM (/2Qtx)

2 We are one human race, divided by single-nucleotide polymorphisms and culture. Mostly culture.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 27, 2014 09:38 AM (u82oZ)

3 oh lord, let me do the "thing"

OH GOD I'M FIRST!!! WOOHOO!!!!11!!!
i'd like to first thank the Lord, then my family
this is a honor i'll never forget blah blah blah

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 09:39 AM (/2Qtx)

4 Well, coulda been first but I read.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something involving a Chinese invention that goes BOOM at December 27, 2014 09:39 AM (baiNQ)

5 Well, coulda been first but I read.
Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something involving a Chinese invention that goes BOOM at December 27, 2014 09:39 AM (baiNQ)
**********
That's racist

Posted by: Trunk Monkey at December 27, 2014 09:41 AM (aO9cR)

6 This is the only toothpaste we use at my home.



http://tinyurl.com/664dns

Posted by: David Duke at December 27, 2014 09:41 AM (0FSuD)

7 We are apes with less hair, completely inter-fertile, with dominance and status issues from our ape-like genetic heritage.

And apparently, a lot of untreated mental illness.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 27, 2014 09:41 AM (u82oZ)

8 I just love old movies.



http://tinyurl.com/o97ee5v

Posted by: David Duke at December 27, 2014 09:42 AM (0FSuD)

9 you know, i'm getting real tired of race
whatever happened to being American?
i'm not Italian-American, not Mexican-American, I'm just American

it took an immigrant from Mexico (mom) to instill that
in fact she said we weren't to speak Spanish in the house because we were in Chicago

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 09:43 AM (/2Qtx)

10 Maybe it was some damn black kid who came up from the city on the number 3 bus?

Much like the majority of murders in NYC being committed by black men between the ages of 18-34.

I know this as a statistical fact, so when I here about a murder in NYC I immediately, in my mind form an image of who committed the crime.

Is that racism or using empirical and historical data to formulate an opinion?

I don't think the barber is racist.

I don't have enough data and nor did you before you formed your opinion of him.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 27, 2014 09:44 AM (bKSy7)

11 I remember Limbaugh mentioning that they use the "racist" argument as a way to use a tangent away from what was just discussed. That way a weak conservative will have to argue against the racism charge in addition to the original argument.

I say we just shoot people like Chris Matthews, and that should settle the argument.

Posted by: Bretzysdude at December 27, 2014 09:47 AM (1brPs)

12 "It's damn brilliant."

No. No its not.

Accusations of racism where there are non are pissing off a lot of people. Democrats took a trouncing at the polls as a result.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 27, 2014 09:48 AM (uSAVP)

13 The first concept I remember being taught in Anthropology 101 (yeah, I know), was that all human cultures feature "ethnocentrism", basically "tribalism" as it's described here.

The next lesson, was that white people are uniquely evil. Go figure...

Posted by: Pyrocles at December 27, 2014 09:49 AM (NCx6F)

14 I grew up in the South, in the 60's.

I haven't ever witnessed a president that was more bigoted than the current one.

I also have never seen SJW's with a more antagonistic program than the one's currently in the streets.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something... at December 27, 2014 09:50 AM (baiNQ)

15 Racism or Cheap screening?


When I was in grad school, econ, the subject of race and employment practices was discussed at length.


Like it or not, a small businessman can not afford to test, screen, back ground check applications like a large company.


The fall back position is to go with what you know. Most of the Black applications will not come from a core family, they will not have as good an education, their diction will not be proper and they will not have the same work ethic as others.


So is this discrimination logical? Of course it is. Can it be stopped? Sure, have Black families again that include a dad. Stop the thug culture.



Discrimination always has a core reason. We see Chinese as smarter that Whites.


Why? They are and we know it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 09:50 AM (0FSuD)

16 The race hustlers would have everyone--white, black, red, yellow, blue, green and orange--be as angry as possible against everyone regardless of their behavior to one another. They make money from that.

Other than that, there is nearly no racism in this country, and what does exist is simply ignorance writ large, easily avoided and, when encountered, easily attacked at the source.

Try that in the orient, or even Europe.

Posted by: tcn in AK, almost at December 27, 2014 09:51 AM (g+qqc)

17 and he said "It was probably some damn black kid who came up here from the city on the #3(bus)"

The older black guys will say the same thing, except they won't use a gentle term like "damn black kid".

That tribalism is a two-way street though: it also means that we excuse behaviours in people whom we see as part of Us that we would never accept in Them. While the older black guy sees you as a fellow old guy he feels free to gripe about those damned kids, but in a slightly different context he'd be right back to black v. white.

On a personal level it's probably not tractable, but our justice system shouldn't be trying to feed it.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 27, 2014 09:51 AM (MbqmP)

18
"It's damn brilliant."



No. No its not.



Accusations of racism where there are non are pissing off a lot of people. Democrats took a trouncing at the polls as a result.


It kinda is, if your focus is on avoiding facts rather then discussing issues.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 27, 2014 09:52 AM (KAmzK)

19 Definitely one of those posts/threads I wish I could read.

I don't see any long strings in the comments so something in the post mebbe?
On an android. Galaxy S2.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 27, 2014 09:56 AM (jGqoT)

20 OT yahoo has a video out of I think Fresno where some dudes caught a fool wearing a uniform with a EOD patch
he got a military discount from starbucks which I think can make him chargable for stolen valor

what is amazing is its yahoo running it

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 09:57 AM (/2Qtx)

21 It's racist, cuz fuck you is why.

Posted by: FU2015 at December 27, 2014 09:57 AM (bUmSq)

22 OT-From the Fox News site about Rafael Ramos

"He was studying to be a pastor. He had Bible study books in his locker, which is rare for a police officer, but that goes to show you the type of man he was," NYPD Capt. Sergio Centa said before entering the church.

That makes me even more sad than I was before about this .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 27, 2014 10:00 AM (Dj3AB)

23 OMG! I was just telling someone at work about this soda a few days ago. About 20 years ago my mom came home with a can of it, in complete shock, that it even existed. Back then there were no cell phone cameras, so she bought the can.

The girl at work didn't believe me and now here it is!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2014 10:01 AM (DmNpO)

24 I disagree that the only actual racists are those who are proud of their racism (if that's what you meant, and I'm not reading you wrong). Holding people to a lower standard based solely or mostly on their race counts as actual racism in my book. Now, many liberals are proud of that action but will twist and turn any which a way to insist it's not racist.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 27, 2014 10:01 AM (S06Kg)

25 There's a good "consequences of racism" exchange featured on Twitchy this morning. Some white liberal named DeWolf trying to cozy up to some black activist/musician chick. She does not accept the cozying.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 27, 2014 10:02 AM (2cS/G)

26 Speaking of the Chinese. The most racist institutions? Ivy League schools which refuse to admit Chinese students that are clearly smarter that others.



ULCA, Stanford, Harvard, MIT all have limits to the number of Chinese students they will admit.


They need to admit Blacks with lower scores to "fight" racism? Tell that to the Chinese parent who's child had a test score 50% higher.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:03 AM (0FSuD)

27 You want a racist soda can? THIS is racist!


http://tinyurl.com/lkebhwj

Posted by: NY Times Editors at December 27, 2014 10:04 AM (0FSuD)

28 The real problem we're dealing with is the Industrial Anti-Racist Racism.

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:05 AM (MMC8r)

29 I'm not sure we are all racists. We are discerning, and our exposure to facts has taught us who is most likely to commit an act of crime or violence.

That said, when walking alone at night I am just as likely to avoid the white guy in a hoodie and baggy jeans as I am a black guy in that same scenario.

I pay far more attention to the signals the individual is giving than to their ethnicity.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2014 10:05 AM (DmNpO)

30 another thing....how many fools that call themselves African American, wear the garb and all that have never been to Africa?

we had a guy on one of my ships who was from South Africa
he used to enjoy making the blacks refer to him as african

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 10:05 AM (/2Qtx)

31 25

Azalea Banks, whoever she is. 2014 was a suckass year for music. It used to be that I could go to the local Buffalo Wild Wings and score huge on music trivia. Nowadays, who ARE these people?

Posted by: Bretzysdude at December 27, 2014 10:07 AM (1brPs)

32 want to see racism?
see the hate fly when a black chick talks about a black dude who is dating a white chick

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 10:07 AM (/2Qtx)

33 Racism is that which hurts or impedes a Democrat. Laws, the Constitution, little shit like that.

Posted by: t-bird at December 27, 2014 10:07 AM (FcR7P)

34 Does drinking my coffee black compensate for my ethnicity.

Posted by: fluffy; filthy Skandi at December 27, 2014 10:08 AM (Ua6T/)

35 we had a guy on one of my ships who was from South Africa

he used to enjoy making the blacks refer to him as african

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 10:05 AM (/2Qtx)

A good friend of mine, we are in Sons of Confederate Veterans together, both his children were born in South Africa (he was working for some company in Langley, Va).
When they apply to anything, they list themselves as "African Americans"

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:08 AM (0FSuD)

36
On one hand, it is wrong to hate. On the other hand, the Left uses this Biblically-based concept to literally control how Others think....think and obey, really.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:10 AM (XK/4h)

37 want to get a group of blacks pissed?
if they ever mention that blacks are better at sports ask them why African countries don't win the world cup or most Olympic games

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 10:11 AM (/2Qtx)

38 Hi NDH!

Posted by: fluffy at December 27, 2014 10:11 AM (Ua6T/)

39 I think of it as prejudice vs bigotism. Yes I have some pre judgements about people based on stereotypes. Unlike a bigot I am open to setting those judgements aside as more information is gathered.

Posted by: PaleRider -, LF rescue is #8. Thanks all at December 27, 2014 10:11 AM (7w/kf)

40 34

I remember that actually being a joke on "Sha Na Na".

Posted by: Bretzysdude at December 27, 2014 10:11 AM (1brPs)

41 I like my coffee......



http://tinyurl.com/og22vs3

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:12 AM (0FSuD)

42 way I see it there are humans and then Chicagoans who are known as your betters

of course there are Texans and we can all laugh and point at them

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 10:16 AM (/2Qtx)

43 I grew up in Detroit,and as long as I can remember, there have been areas where whites don't go. Today there are even areas where police hesitate to go. So, when a black person sites " driving while black", or the NY mayor tells his son to be careful, it seems equal attention to be paid to the fact that whites are also "under threat" in various areas. Is that black privilege?
BTW, I recently spoke to a policeman ( family) who is white. He says now the cops are limiting what they do to the bare minimum. That most are more afraid of being sued by being dragged into a shooting situation, and that that is scarier than being shot. He expects this to have detrimental effects on society, as the criminals are going to feel bolder.

Posted by: Chilling the most at December 27, 2014 10:16 AM (wWs6x)

44 Is it race that people are reacting to, or culture?

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:17 AM (MMC8r)

45 "of course there are Texans"


Hey....!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 27, 2014 10:17 AM (WHIPH)

46 The real point of this discussion is voters are stupid herd animals one step from the soylent green grinders.

Posted by: Jeb Gruber Bush at December 27, 2014 10:18 AM (+YNzP)

47 "I haven't seen 'American Sniper', but correct me if I'm wrong: An occupier mows down faceless Iraqis but the real victim is his anguished soul," [Max] Blumenthal wrote smugly on his Twitter account. "[T]he whole film's appeal seems to derive from the latent racism that led America into Iraq"


... I've never met this Max Blumenthal chap but the real victims are anybody who cares what he says. He entire appeal is that he is a latent racist and androgynous bigot.

Posted by: Van Jones at December 27, 2014 10:19 AM (e8kgV)

48 "As we've seen, racism is inherent in all of us, it's evil, .... it puts
non-racists on the defensive ... "

I don't think you proved "we are inherently racist". Not even the "racism" that is merely recognizing different skin colors, and aligning with those like us. There is a level of tribalism that is learned probably, but not inherent. A conflict of culture is normal, as happened even as we separated (Protestant) church and state to keep the damn Puritans, Baptists, Methodists, Quakers, Unitarians from ruling over each other.

The barber that knows blacks come from the poor area and rob is stating fact. (I assume, having lived in New Orleans, briefly in a house that was routinely robbed by blacks doing just that) And he stated "probably", which is correct. Only those taught an abundance of sensitivity to "white racism" would view that barber as racist. And perhaps that extended to their view that the treatment of the black customers was merely "professional" and not genuine. They recognize good people can be black and even live in the high crime areas.

The non-racist liberty loving tea partier today has to recognize that most blacks are raised in the anti-white "God damn America" culture that Obama/Holder/Sharpton promote. Blacks and Democrats have used the white guilt as a weapon, so having a level of disdain for the black problem of electing Marion Barry, or other incompetents, is not racist at all.

It's a black community problem, and within that community are those that are not racist. But those trapped in welfare are given a reason to keep voting Democrat by blaming whitey for their problems. It's the easy cop out, for those in a hard situation.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 27, 2014 10:20 AM (+/zkf)

49 44
Is it race that people are reacting to, or culture?





Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:17 AM (MMC8r)

A good point. In the 50's separate but equal days, Black family existed with dads and although they were clearly discriminated against, the discrimination actually made the Black community stronger.
They had their own lodges, colleges, churches etc.
Now they still do, but the best and brightest Blacks no longer belong, they go "white"
The core family is gone, and the thug have a baby culture rules.

Thanks LBJ.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:20 AM (0FSuD)

50 46

Honestly, I can see liberals using the classic movie as a valid, legal argument for the controlling the world's overpopulation.

Posted by: Bretzydude at December 27, 2014 10:21 AM (1brPs)

51

If a "faceless Iraqi" mowed down Sidney and Max Blumnethal, you know what I'd say? Good.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:22 AM (XK/4h)

52 They just call them Hood Rats now, the city in Columbus decided to build a Bus substation near the Mall, and wouldn't you know it Crime shot up. there was a shooting, one of these Gentle Giants got in a fight at the Apple Store and tried to shoot up in the air as he said but shot his own brother in the Head. In all the videos of the aftermath you see nothing but black kids running. This was at 10pm at night, the mall now has no teens without parents after 8, because NOBODY was going to the Mall at night.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 27, 2014 10:22 AM (b6koZ)

53 It's so much more about class than race.

People I'm comfortable around: white people, black people, Hispanic people, Asian people who share my cultural views: religious observance is good, education is good, proper spoken and written English is good, self-control and discipline are good, personal responsibility is good, courteous behavior is good, punctuality is good, family support is good, cleanliness is good.


People I'm either suspicious of our outright uncomfortable around, and would not want dating my daughters or walking toward me in a dark alley: white people, black people, Hispanic people and Asian people who do not broadly fit into the above outline.

Posted by: Republic of Texas 2: Electric Boogaloo at December 27, 2014 10:22 AM (Gk2GE)

54 Anybody who doesn't like watermelon isn't fully human.

Posted by: rickl at December 27, 2014 10:22 AM (sdi6R)

55
I am now at the point where I'm hoping that my enemies abroad destroy my domestic enemies. That is how far the Left has driven me to the dark side.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:23 AM (XK/4h)

56 Too many words for my half-asleep brain, so, didn't read thoroughly. Will try again after the other eye is open.

But my 2¢ anyway: a word I don't see in the article is "racial." One can argue that racial traits and tendencies exist, and acknowledge differences, without being exactly racist in the bigoted sense.

Now, a story.

In college, in Wisconsin, I, fresh from Oklahoma, was talking to a guy from Detroit. Somehow the N word came up. I have never on my life called anyone a Ni@@er, but I have stories that employ the word. Like, the reason a nearby road used to be called Ni@@er's Gap. (Because blacks fled through that passage fleeing the 1920 Tulsa race riot.)

My Detroit friend heard me utter the forbidden word. He demanded, say that again. I stupidly said, what? He said, say Ni@@er. I did. Repeat several times. He concludes, "Sure sounds hateful when you say it!" Bob later told me he had me pegged for a racist Southern bigot. Ear of the beholder. I obviously have no fear of language (and mask the word here only for Ace's sake.)

Bob told me the house he lived in was the only one on the block not damaged in the Detroit riots, because Bob's family, black, were upstairs, and a white family lived downstairs. That was his native culture.

That was considerably different from my upbringing! Our town was racially divided and unequal, and the only blacks I knew as a kid were folks who worked at white people's homes. However, they were some of the finest, most decent Christian folks of my experience. Culture can be tricky like that.

Oops - sorry for putting out too many words myself.

Posted by: mindful webworker - WASP at December 27, 2014 10:24 AM (Y42RP)

57

How Southern Are You?

Here's a test!

What is a goober?

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:24 AM (XK/4h)

58 a peanut

Posted by: Republic of Texas 2: Electric Boogaloo at December 27, 2014 10:27 AM (Gk2GE)

59 Well that is depressing. CNN covering the funeral and Fox is not?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:27 AM (0FSuD)

60 "He said, say Ni@@er."


Never heard the word growing up in our household. The first time I heard it was from a black kid in the First Grade at school. I had no idea what it meant.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 27, 2014 10:27 AM (WHIPH)

61 What is a goober?

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:24 AM (XK/4h)


Well, it ain't a nut cuz it don't grown on no tree, I can say.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 27, 2014 10:28 AM (MbqmP)

62 Well, Maxi-pad, I don't care about your view on the movie. Why? Because you haven't seem it. Can't review something you haven't seen, eh?

Posted by: Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho at December 27, 2014 10:28 AM (ZfC/B)

63 he used to enjoy making the blacks refer to him as african

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 10:05 AM (/2Qtx)


Can we has Chalize Theron for the win?!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 27, 2014 10:29 AM (uSAVP)

64 A goober is a fucking idiot, aka a nut.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:29 AM (0FSuD)

65
That's right, a goober is a peanut.

I was just watching The Rebel and Johnny Yuma, the Confederate soldier, said, "We had nothing to eat but beans and goobers."

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:30 AM (XK/4h)

66 OT but I missed it. What happened with the 3 Degrees Guarantee charity vote? Did our team make it to the finals?

Posted by: PPs43 at December 27, 2014 10:30 AM (gs8t9)

67 57

"A character on the Andy Griffith show *snidely chuckles*"

-- What Paul Lynde would say.

Posted by: Bretzysdude at December 27, 2014 10:30 AM (1brPs)

68 "A goober is a fucking idiot"


That's the way it was always used to my knowledge. Some jackass.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 27, 2014 10:31 AM (WHIPH)

69 59 Well that is depressing. CNN covering the funeral and Fox is not?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:27 AM (0FSuD)

Don't be too depressed. Slow Joe is up right now and has spent the past several minutes talking about race and how wonderful Obama is.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 27, 2014 10:33 AM (KkVB6)

70
yeah, that's one use of the word, probably a lot more modern than peanut

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:34 AM (XK/4h)

71 And now that shithead Cuomo is on. Wonder how he will spin his eulogy into a political speech, too.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 27, 2014 10:35 AM (KkVB6)

72 @69

Yeah, I turned it off. The usual BULL SHIT.


Cop killed by a BLACK MUSLIM.


Gosh, so sorry we poured that gas on the fire.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:35 AM (0FSuD)

73

Do you really think Goober Pyle's nickname was Idiot?

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:36 AM (XK/4h)

74 I don't understand that. If that was my husband, no way would I want Bidet, Cuomo or DeCommio there. No way.

Posted by: Infidel at December 27, 2014 10:36 AM (RZLOH)

75 Peas, peas, peas, peas, eating goober peas...

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:37 AM (MMC8r)

76 I don't think any politicians should be speaking at the funeral. Leave that to the pastor of the church Ramos attended as well as anyone who knew him speaking about his life. All politicians will try to make political points,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 27, 2014 10:37 AM (Dj3AB)

77 Stereotyping is not in itself racist. All racists stereotype but not all people who stereotype are racist.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 27, 2014 10:37 AM (3jmxp)

78 Cuomo spewing shit about diversity and overcoming the issues in the justice system the recent cases have brought to light.

What the fcuk does that have to do with the death of this officer? He hasn't mentioned the officer even once yet.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 27, 2014 10:37 AM (KkVB6)

79 73




Do you really think Goober Pyle's nickname was Idiot?





Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:36 AM (XK/4h)

He was Gomer, NOT goober.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:38 AM (0FSuD)

80 MSNBC will probably go wall-to-wall with the shooter's funeral.

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:38 AM (MMC8r)

81
He was Gomer, NOT goober


Gomer - Jim Nabors
Goober - George Lindsey

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:38 AM (MMC8r)

82 Couple of things.

Civilization is the RESULT of humans trying to get along for the greater good of all not an institution built somewhere else and imposed or accepted by us.

Next. Why was there and assumption that because he assumed that the radio was stolen by a black kid that that made him racist? For all you know he knows that every car broken into where you were parked was broken into by a black kid from the city.

Too much of the time we use the left's rhetoric, words and language (one of the reasons why they work very hard at changing the language used for a situation and because of their inroads into academe and the infotainment industry they usually prevail as to it's prevalence in common discourse) to try to explain ourselves and our instinctive dislike of the way the left has demonized certain groups.

Criticizing blacks or even making fun of them isn't necessarily racist. Assuming that blacks commit more crime is not necessarily racist because they in fact do commit more crime.

Stereotypes evolve from repeated observation and thus have a basis in fact. Using them without understanding fully the underlying facts of a situation may or may not be racist.

And it's racist for making that assumption.

Bias and bigotry are different than racism.

The left conflated the terms because of human nature and can then dump giant guilt trips on everyone. Something they despise when they see the Church do the same damn thing.

Until the language reverts back to factual definitions and people are willing to face the fact that everyone's not going to like or enjoy the company of everyone else we'll be making the kind of assumptions and feel hurt and angry when we are accused of something we believe we aren't guilty of.

We need to stop the schools from teaching out children lies and we need to stop the infotainment industry from fomenting hatred.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 27, 2014 10:38 AM (RZzX3)

83 80
MSNBC will probably go wall-to-wall with the shooter's funeral.

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:38 AM (MMC8r)

Rev Al to preach?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:39 AM (0FSuD)

84 Yeah, Goob' was the gas station guy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 27, 2014 10:39 AM (WHIPH)

85
Well, maybe it was.

I can't find any alternative meaning to "gomer" other than inept, fool, etc.

So maybe the Pyle cousins were truly idiots, hence the Gomer and Goober designations.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:40 AM (XK/4h)

86 Oh, it's a Chinese-made soda. I was wondering from the Anglo-French bilingual can and imperial and metric measures if it was from e.g. Quebec although I couldn't see it passing p.c. muster in Quebec either. (Well, that and the product name being only in English.)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 27, 2014 10:40 AM (CSXsy)

87 >>> What is a goober?

I know that one, homie. It's not a big secret.

Posted by: fluffy at December 27, 2014 10:40 AM (Ua6T/)

88 Well, I guess the "second" gas station guy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 27, 2014 10:40 AM (WHIPH)

89 Cuomo spewing shit about diversity and overcoming the issues in the justice system the recent cases have brought to light.

Sounds like he's intimating justification for the shooting.

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:40 AM (MMC8r)

90 81

Ding, ding, ding!

Posted by: Bretzysdude at December 27, 2014 10:40 AM (1brPs)

91 Oh, and yes Ghey Gomer Pyle was an idiot, but that fucker had a voice and could sing amazingly.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:41 AM (0FSuD)

92

what was the name of gas station where the Pyle cousins worked?

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:42 AM (XK/4h)

93 Goofy Goober?

http://tinyurl.com/n5duffy

Posted by: Spongebob at December 27, 2014 10:42 AM (uSAVP)

94 @92

No clue.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:42 AM (0FSuD)

95 Wally's.

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:43 AM (MMC8r)

96

take a guess

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:43 AM (XK/4h)

97 @93

That is the gheyest shit I've seen in a while.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:43 AM (0FSuD)

98

yep, Wally's Filling Station

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:44 AM (XK/4h)

99 OK, wife giving me shit for having a drink on vacation in the morning.


So, I guess I'll have to double up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:44 AM (0FSuD)

100 Heh, 'Goober'.

That's too funny.

Posted by: Cooter the Mechanic working on Daisey Dukes....chassis at December 27, 2014 10:45 AM (uSAVP)

101 66 OT but I missed it. What happened with the 3 Degrees Guarantee charity vote? Did our team make it to the finals?


Posted by: PPs43 at December 27, 2014 10:30


Palerider popped in upthread and said our team finished 8th. So they made the cut.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 27, 2014 10:45 AM (6hrmc)

102 I am surprised they had this funeral so early in the day. I guess there is a lot to do.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:45 AM (0FSuD)

103 "So, I guess I'll have to double up."


You show her.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 27, 2014 10:45 AM (WHIPH)

104 99 On drinks or wives?

Posted by: Infidel at December 27, 2014 10:46 AM (RZLOH)

105 Officer Ramos was studying to be a pastor, Therefore it is a Christian funeral which is to focus on the hope we have in the resurrection while acknowledging a loss yet thanking God for the life of the person who has died. These politicians scoring their points which they want to be collected in sound bytes are a disgrace. You want to score points? Do it in a press conference.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 27, 2014 10:46 AM (Dj3AB)

106 Cuomo finally got around to mentioning the officer....about four minutes into his spiel. Commie mayor on now. He started off by trying to butter up the NYPD, but once he got that out of his system it's actually been a pretty decent tribute to the officer, thus far.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 27, 2014 10:46 AM (KkVB6)

107 Commie Mayor now speaking in Pig Spanish. I know that will impress everyone.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:47 AM (0FSuD)

108 He WAS short! Smart.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 10:47 AM (0FSuD)

109 Not to throw a wet blanket on your salient observations, WD, but have you seen a gaggle of toddlers of different races playing together? They don't seem to care about skin color, it's more of a height and language thing.

If there's such a thing as a "social construct," it's racism. IMO, it's a learned thing, sorta like cannibalism. A cannibal raised in a cannibalistic tribe will most likely become a cannibal.

As a Christian, when I look at another person, I see a Fellow Baby (hi teej), not someone as a foe due to the color of their skin. We are literally all in this Lifeboat Earth together. If you treat me with the same respect I have for you (and in business, if you know what you're doing), then there won't be any friction.

Also, IIRC, Glenn Beck (yeah, I know) mentioned something about racism beginning in government, although I don't remember his exact instance. He may be right. Segregation wasn't always the norm.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 27, 2014 10:48 AM (0HooB)

110 What the hell is pig Spanish?

Posted by: Infidel at December 27, 2014 10:48 AM (RZLOH)

111 "What the hell is pig Spanish?"


LaO, migoA

Posted by: The Mexican Pig at December 27, 2014 10:50 AM (WHIPH)

112 Okay, that's funny. Nevermind.

Posted by: Infidel at December 27, 2014 10:51 AM (RZLOH)

113 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 27, 2014 10:48 AM (0HooB)

Do you observe female and male babies interacting? See any difference? Or do men and women not have any inherent differences and it's all enviroment? Do you think homosexuality is innate or enviroment?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 27, 2014 10:52 AM (3jmxp)

114 Not sure if anyone addressed this, but you can't really have this discussion without mentioning how the left is actively trying to change the definition of "racism" itself.

Of course, what the left does with language is probably worth a post on its own.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 27, 2014 10:53 AM (5F2d0)

115 109 When my oldest son started school he found out he was a white person, which he didn't understand because he was "peach." It broke my heart.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 27, 2014 10:54 AM (5f5bM)

116 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 27, 2014 10:38 AM (RZzX3)


This.

Thank you, this needs to be said over and over.

Posted by: Dandolo at December 27, 2014 10:55 AM (wyI5D)

117 111
"What the hell is pig Spanish?"


LaO, migoA


Posted by: The Mexican Pig at December 27, 2014 10:50 AM (WHIPH)

*****************
We call it Peggy Hill Spanish at our house.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 27, 2014 10:56 AM (5f5bM)

118 Do you observe female and male babies interacting? See any difference? Or do men and women not have any inherent differences and it's all enviroment? Do you think homosexuality is innate or enviroment?

Sorry, but I don't understand your point, Bob.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 27, 2014 10:56 AM (0HooB)

119 *ozone*

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 10:56 AM (MMC8r)

120 The real problem in modern life is our increasing selfishness or more precisely our society is encouraging people to be self-centered. This partly due to the a concept of personal branding in an attempt to become a celebrity. It is also partly a consequence of immediate access to broad audiences through the Internet. We are encouraged to act in ways that promote our individual selves (or our immediate family). This self-centered attention is confused with racism because by definition someone who is not ourselves is going to look different from us.

The charges of problematic racism may be a real complaint but with the wrong explanation. The real complaint is everyone is acting like they are, or are destined to become, a celebrity that deserves adoration of the masses of those who don't look like oneself, those who don't belong to the personal brand.

Posted by: dedomeno at December 27, 2014 10:56 AM (UccCH)

121 You all do realize that the Andy Griffith Show was not a celebration of southern/small town life?

It was a carefully crafted put down. Every week people laughed at how simple and stupid those people in Mayberry were. And some of the viewers felt better about themselves for not being from a place like that.

Like so many shows the actual underlying effect was not the same as what appeared on the surface.

There are many shows (most started in the '70's and I think that's significant) that were/are meant to be statements of disdain for the situations and places and people portrayed.

Think of the people who wrote those shows and where they come from and what they're political and philosophical foundations are.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 27, 2014 10:57 AM (RZzX3)

122 On the lighter side, Don't Drink That Racist Coffee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APyr48GACzc

Posted by: yogoyogoyoyo at December 27, 2014 10:57 AM (WZQdF)

123 Gomer was the son of Japeth and the founder of the land of Gomer up on the Black sea, After that it gets murky. It is part of the description of the various nations in the old testament.

I am always amazed at the number of old-testament names are used in the south.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 27, 2014 10:57 AM (t//F+)

124 Also - what BB said at 109

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 27, 2014 10:57 AM (5F2d0)

125 >>LaO, migoA

LOL.

Oh the possibilities...

We should start speaking this whenever a troll is here.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 27, 2014 10:57 AM (0xTsz)

126 Another great post. Just a little personal humility, just a basic understanding of our inherent flaws, and you're well on your way to conservatism. You can get that humility through religion, you could get it by studying history, you can get by remembering your most collasal screw ups in your life.

Be humble about yourself, and be humble about human nature in collective settings, where lines of accountability can be more easily blurred, and it's about impossible to be a leftist.

Posted by: Dave S. at December 27, 2014 10:58 AM (UvR6d)

127 Need to repeat this here. A few times...

Culture is not race. Race is not culture.
Culture is not race. Race is not culture.
Culture is not race. Race is not culture.
Culture is not race. Race is not culture.
Culture is not race. Race is not culture.
Culture is not race. Race is not culture.


Seriously, I need that engraved on a f'n baseball bat to pound into leftroid heads why I have an issue with thugs, crooks, and miscreants of any hue.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Warlord of the Western Wastes at December 27, 2014 10:59 AM (m9V0o)

128 "The Dukes of Hazzard" was a witty, intelligent review of modern Southern life, too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 27, 2014 10:59 AM (WHIPH)

129 You all do realize that the Andy Griffith Show was not a celebration of southern/small town life?



It was a carefully crafted put down. Every week people laughed at how simple and stupid those people in Mayberry were. And some of the viewers felt better about themselves for not being from a place like that.




The hell you say . . .

Posted by: Oliver Douglas, Esq., Gentleman Farmer at December 27, 2014 11:00 AM (JO9+V)

130

yeah, Gomer is a biblical name; means completion

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 11:01 AM (XK/4h)

131 Chalize Theron for the win

Teeeerrrrreeeezzzzaaaaaa Heinz for the block.

Posted by: Fox 2! at December 27, 2014 11:01 AM (brIR5)

132 yeah, Gomer is a biblical name; means completion



You . . . gomer me.

Posted by: Jerry Maquire at December 27, 2014 11:02 AM (JO9+V)

133 "The Dukes of Hazzard" was a witty, intelligent review of modern Southern life, too.

Where I come from, it was a documentary.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 27, 2014 11:03 AM (0HooB)

134 What the hell is pig Spanish?
Posted by: Infidel at December 27, 2014 10:48 AM (RZLOH)


What deblasio speaks is phonetically rendered Spanish written by someone else so he can sound cultured and inclusive by reading it off a teleprompter without actually going through the effort of actually learning the language.
He could at least get with a voice-coach to smooth out the delivery, but no, he is busy being superior and making deals.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 27, 2014 11:03 AM (t//F+)

135 It was a carefully crafted put down. Every week people laughed at how simple and stupid those people in Mayberry were. And some of the viewers felt better about themselves for not being from a place like that.

I'm not from the South and I watched it as a kid, I never regarded it as a put down since the main character was decent hard working guy who loved his family. I just thought if it as a slice of life with various sorts of characters, some more eccentric than others

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 27, 2014 11:04 AM (Dj3AB)

136
Actually, CBS's shows Andy Griffith, Mayberry RFD, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, and Petticoat Junction were always showing how the city-folk were wrong about things.

It was CBS execs in the early '70's who got embarrassed of their primetime hayseed lineup and cancelled these highly-rated serials.

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 11:04 AM (XK/4h)

137 You all do realize that the Andy Griffith Show was not a celebration of southern/small town life?





It was a carefully crafted put down. Every week people laughed at how simple and stupid those people in Mayberry were. And some of the viewers felt better about themselves for not being from a place like that.




Weeeeeelll doggie!

Posted by: Jed Clampit on the #1 Show In America at December 27, 2014 11:04 AM (JO9+V)

138 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 27, 2014 10:56 AM (0HooB)

My point is that there are innate differences in what we call races, Caucascoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. Not necessarily bad or good just differences.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 27, 2014 11:06 AM (3jmxp)

139
Actually, CBS's shows Andy Griffith, Mayberry RFD, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, and Petticoat Junction were always showing how the city-folk were wrong about things.


Griffith and Paul Henning were both from small towns.

Mayberry was based on Griffith's home town of Mt. Airy, NC.

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 11:06 AM (MMC8r)

140 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 27, 2014 10:48 AM (0HooB)

I hear what you're saying. Trouble is for us adults in some situations is that we're facing a guy who probably outweighs us, is stronger and mayhaps has a bit of attitude (probably totally justified but still) and appears to not be inclined to expect you to be reasonable or who seems to appear to believe (due to community standards and all) you to be a freaking victim waiting to be victimized.

Thus out of an abundance of caution we assume the worse and may assume an aggressive stance in preparation.

It all goes down hill from there.

My most pressing problem with most Blacks is that they have acquired a very aggressive and loud "Norm" of behavior (reasonable given many of their neighborhood circumstance). As such they come off as angry and unwilling to discussion or compromise.

I'd just rather avoid that whole confrontational situation and thus mostly avoid Blacks if I am able. I believe a lot of white folks are in the same mind. I worked with plenty in both the Service and business. Individually, I had not problem nor did they with me. (I think) It's the unknown or those that "display" that can be very off putting. (and many will tell you that they do that on purpose. It does have negative repercussions though.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 27, 2014 11:07 AM (RZzX3)

141

nood geography lesson post up

Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 11:07 AM (XK/4h)

142 42 of course there are Texans and we can all laugh and point at them
Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 10:16 AM

Thought point & laugh was for Cubbies fans?! Ducks & runs. Luvs ya NCJ!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 27, 2014 11:08 AM (vGupj)

143 I have a hard time saying that someone is African American. For one thing, I don't know if they have African roots, and I also don't know if they are an American citizen, no more than anybody else on the street. Color is a lot easier to determine, such as calling someone black. Then again, I did see a crayon color in my new set that said African American, so I guess there is a bit of truth there.

Posted by: denvertodd at December 27, 2014 11:08 AM (Uo5UE)

144 143 I saw that

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 27, 2014 11:09 AM (/2Qtx)

145 There's also a tendency on the part of Americans to view American black culture as representative of everyone in the world with similar skin tone. Cultural values aren't set by genetics.

Posted by: --- at December 27, 2014 11:09 AM (MMC8r)

146 and to those who might not like what I wrote, I simply say: "Cancel your own goddamned subscription."





Posted by: Patrick in Michigan at December 27, 2014 10:54 AM (OhrW4)

Well, I call BS on your story, and I am "black" balling you for Platinum membership.

Sorry, Dude your story is TOTALLY not on the intertubes.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 27, 2014 11:10 AM (0FSuD)

147 Mongoloid, huh? We could make a song from this. And we did!


http://youtu.be/GZDl_R8Zp2E

Posted by: DEVO! at December 27, 2014 11:12 AM (JO9+V)

148 Lefties have stretched the word racist until it touches the word power.

The Left says whites are racists not because they think and say and do bigoted things, but they are racist because they have the power to make their bigotry real.

That is why they say Blacks can't be racist. Not so because Blacks are without bigotry, but so because they are without power.

One result of all this is if you are White it does not matter what you say or do or think or feel; you have power and therefore are racist and therefore are an enemy of human progress.

And if you are Black, it's the other way around.

It is a most evil construct and it is the root of our problems with race: manipulation in the quest for power.

Posted by: eman at December 27, 2014 11:13 AM (MQEz6)

149 My "Irish" GrandFather was born in India during the English Colonial period, can I put down I am part Indian?

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 27, 2014 11:15 AM (b6koZ)

150 Andy Griffith had one of my all time favorite episodes of any show in history . It was the one where Opie brought home a pocket knife and some other small items and Andy wanted to know where Opie got them . Opie told him a man in the trees with a silver hat who jangled with smoke coming out of his ears gave them to him. Andy insisted he quit telling talk tells or he would be whupped. Opie stuck to his story and Andy went through with the punishment but felt terrible about it and the fact his son was lying to him. Andy took a contemplative walk in the woods when he heard a jangle and climbing out of the trees was the electric company man with his tool belt jangling and his silver hard hat . Andy asked him about the smoke and the guy did a trick with his cigarette.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 27, 2014 11:16 AM (3jmxp)

151
My point is that there are innate differences in what we call races, Caucascoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. Not necessarily bad or good just differences.


Can't argue with that. However, those are just physical differences. Same with the sexes, although that's a bit different and beyond the scope of this post.

Seeing the person inside the skin is spiritual. Having empathy is what the Golden Rule is all about. Out of that belief comes compassion, patience, love and all the other good things that form the basis of Christian Faith. Unfortunately, far too many people, particularly in politics, don't have the ability to imagine themselves in someone else's place, which I find strange especially seeing leftards' vivid imaginations and their ability to see things that don't exist, like false racism.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 27, 2014 11:19 AM (0HooB)

152 To me, acknowledging the existence of race and the average differences among populations of different races is not racism. By my reckoning, racism must include overt malice toward members of a race. But to leftists and most American academics, mere belief in the existence of race is racism.

By the way, did anybody else notice there was an outbreak of "youth" mob fighting in Cleveland, Independence MO, and Chicago last nite? The news stories weren't specific about the race of these fighters, but I strongly suspect they were Scandinavians, well known for their propensity for spontaneous mob violence.

Posted by: gp at December 27, 2014 11:22 AM (+Jpqc)

153 Loved the post Weirddave although in my opinion I don't think everyone is hardwired to be "racist" so much as they are prejudiced. There is a difference between the two and it's very important.

Posted by: thathalfrican at December 27, 2014 11:30 AM (R5HRU)

154
Never heard the word growing up in our household. The first time I heard it was from a black kid in the First Grade at school. I had no idea what it meant.

First time I heard about a period was from the one black kid in school, and he was a boy.

Posted by: Madamex at December 27, 2014 11:45 AM (JUt0r)

155 I'm afraid I first heard the word from my brother, who had heard it from our grandfather.

We were all at the zoo, when my brother yelled, "Hey, Granddad, look at the ****** panther!"

Granddad scooped us up and high-tailed it out of there. I hate to say it, but I'm glad he wasn't alive when my wife and I adopted a son. He would have thrown a fit.

Posted by: Bretzysdude at December 27, 2014 12:08 PM (38dsh)

156 You know what else is racist?

Ducks.

We used to have a bunch of ducks, most of which were white Peking ducks, but one of which was a mallard. And the Peking ducks used to mercilessly peck at the mallard and her ducklings. More white oppression, I guess.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2014 12:38 PM (oKE6c)

157 "...the United States today is a remarkably non-racist country."

I wouldn't even use the "remarkably". I have worked and lived overseas (pipeline construction) and I tell you flat out - the United States is the least racist, least class-driven, least sexist, least discriminatory nation in the world. That includes Western Europe where a lot of the design work went on.

There are discernible castes and roles throughout the third-world. Deference is paid to the 'elites' there, and the sense of elite privilege is palpable. Nations that have an emerging middle class, as they are coming down from a decades-long civil war or guerrilla-terrorism, are downright insistent in their demands to be paid the respect due toward the new technocracy. It is, at times, difficult to watch the treatment of 'underlings' in the culture, as it entails treatment that has long been driven out or even outlawed in the US.

When these so-called progressives carry on about the shortcomings with the US society, I cannot help but think that they truly do not know any other. I shake my head at their naivete, short-sightedness, and foolishness.

Posted by: Intrepid Conqueror of Molehills at December 27, 2014 12:44 PM (MOnaZ)

158 43 I grew up in Detroit,and as long as I can remember, there have been areas where whites don't go. Today there are even areas where police hesitate to go. So, when a black person sites " driving while black", or the NY mayor tells his son to be careful, it seems equal attention to be paid to the fact that whites are also "under threat" in various areas.


I asked a (black) friend of mine if there were any places in America he would be afraid to go because of his race. No, not really, he answered. I replied that there were LOTS of places in America that I would be afraid to go into because of my race. About half of most cities, for openers.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2014 12:49 PM (oKE6c)

159 I dispute your thesis, on the basis that another person's color is not necessarily the first thing one notices. I'm not sure how to conduct the experiment without prejudicing the outcome, but I have long wondered - what are the first three things you notice about another person:

Sex?
Height?
Attire?
Skin Color?
Hair length?
Build?
Gait?
Eyeglasses?

Is skin color truly, truly the first thing that you notice about someone?

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 27, 2014 12:50 PM (MOnaZ)

160 Color is a lot easier to determine, such as calling
someone black. Then again, I did see a crayon color in my new set that
said African American, so I guess there is a bit of truth there.

Posted by: denvertodd at December 27, 2014 11:08 AM (Uo5UE)


I related a story to a liberal friend about a grad student I'd had who was from Zimbabwe. My friend later referred to him as the "African-American" student. I corrected him: he'd never set foot in America, he was African-African, and what he'd meant by "African-American" was "black."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2014 12:53 PM (oKE6c)

161 I wouldn't even use the "remarkably". I have worked and lived overseas
(pipeline construction) and I tell you flat out - the United States is
the least racist, least class-driven, least sexist, least discriminatory
nation in the world. That includes Western Europe where a lot of the
design work went on.



Absolutely true.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2014 12:53 PM (oKE6c)

162 Is skin color truly, truly the first thing that you notice about someone?

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 27, 2014 12:50 PM (MOnaZ)

Man or woman?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 27, 2014 12:58 PM (Zu3d9)

163 Institutionalized racism is certainly not dead.
It is not allowed to be called racism, because it's directed at white heterosexual males by the gubmint, and white heterosexual males DESERVE it (as we all agree)...
This institutionalized racism is called affirmative action, and although they're trying to disguise it, it still exists in our fed, state, and local government, as well as public schools (pre-K through PhD) and (often even more fervently) private universities, as well as throughout our military, and even private corporations (due originally to trying to be compliant with federal laws, but nowadays in an attempt to be PC, or because Jesse and friends are extorting the company).

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at December 27, 2014 01:06 PM (KjdyO)

164 57 How Southern Are You?

Here's a test!

What is a goober?
Posted by: Slippery When Soothsayer at December 27, 2014 10:24 AM (XK/4h)
*****************************
I grew up in Wisconsin. In elementary school we were taught a song which had the chorus:
"Peas, peas, peas, peas, Eating goober peas.
Goodness how delicious, Eating goober peas!"

I no longer remember the rest of the song, but even in Wisconsin we knew that they were peanuts.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 27, 2014 01:08 PM (MOnaZ)

165 Apparently, the largest bunch of racists in America are all in Hollywood exec offices.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 27, 2014 02:04 PM (XzRw1)

166 One thing left out of the essay: racism can be hugely profitable. Racism can be wielded as an excuse that removes responsibility from the wielder.

Posted by: Null at December 27, 2014 02:32 PM (xjpRj)

167 yeah, I remember back in 1982, an older female accountant complaining about the war on white males. "You're under attack". I didn't really understand all she was talking about back then.

And yet today we are still told we're racists for not accepting ever increasing demands for reparations or more, all based in nonsense.

African American ... most never consider their African heritage is full of "black brothers" that sold "them" into slavery ... and still murder each other off like crazy. Obama is more closely related to black slave sellers, not slaves.

Winnie Mandela was known for her necklace torture ... the Mandelas killed more blacks than Apartheid ever did. And the business of Obama and the race hustlers is still to profit from keeping the black man dependent on them for more free stuff.

The racism (opportunism really) is being called KKK for ever bringing up these touchy subjects, that destroy their race industry sales pitch.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 27, 2014 02:36 PM (+/zkf)

168 Heard a radio caller this week who seemed sort of conservative parrot the line that only people with power can be racist. Of course, what that really means is that only people in the GROUP perceived as having power can be racist. Jay Z has a lot more economic power than the typical member of the KKK, and can keep new parents out of the neonatal unit when his child is born.

Dennis Prager once asked someone who spouted the racism/power line if blacks could be racist in Kenya, where they hold the most power. She couldn't conceive of such a thing.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at December 27, 2014 02:39 PM (qahv/)

169 Say, is that racist watermelon soda can from Canada?

The Willhite Seed Company always had kids with watermelon on their catalog covers. Almost never a black kid. One in a group of kids, one time, maybe.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at December 27, 2014 02:41 PM (qahv/)

170 The most fruitful approach to "racism" is to define it so that it stays out of your way. For instance, here's Walter Williams's definition: "Racism is the belief that members of different races have (or should have) different rights." That doesn't get in my way. What about you?

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at December 27, 2014 03:38 PM (d2g9U)

171 I really like that definition, Francis.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at December 27, 2014 04:32 PM (qahv/)

172 You are forgetting thee "scientific definition of racism"

Racism is defined as prejudice + power. Since, according the critical race theory nutballs, America was built upon racism and the oppression of non-Whites (as well as the oppression of women, gays, and trannies). Thus all of society is racism and the only way to stop racism is to destroy society completely.

Since society is oppression itself, White people always benefit from Power and privilege granted to them by society. Yes, this means that a rich Black person has no privilege while a White hobo has both power and privilege. Since society is racist all White people (but only White people) must be prejudiced.

tl;dr Racism is defined as what White people think and do.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 27, 2014 05:01 PM (/YkzI)

173 There can never be a "scientific" definition of racism (or of anything except scientific method), so I feel fully justified in positing an alternate definition. This is especially relevant to racism, since "racism," no matter how defined, is an attitude, and not subject to objective examination.

Scientists detest the appropriation of "science" and "scientific" for political purposes.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at December 27, 2014 05:25 PM (d2g9U)

174 Say, is that racist watermelon soda can from Canada?
I know it's a dead thread but it's from China, it looks like from Bing Image searching. See my comment #86.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 27, 2014 05:45 PM (CSXsy)

175 Too long; didn't read.

(I wanted to read it but I had to pee. Sorry.)

Posted by: FireHorse at December 27, 2014 07:24 PM (8cWgt)

176 Blacks will tell you straight up, that minorities cannot be racist, because only whites have the power.
It's too stupid to try to comprehend.

Posted by: Marybel at December 27, 2014 07:26 PM (yl0iP)

177 114 "Of course, what the left does with language is probably worth a post on its own."
Posted by: Burn the Witch

What do you say, WD? You have a great talent set of getting your mind around a topic and putting your thoughts into words in a meaningful, convincing way.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 27, 2014 07:30 PM (8cWgt)

178 Post #176
"Blacks will tell you straight up, that minorities cannot be racist, because only whites have the power."

Which strikes me as an excellent objective example of racism.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 27, 2014 09:08 PM (NaeCR)

179 "Brown didn't attack Wilson, Wilson killed Brown because he is a racist."

Because the Ferguson Police Dept., being racist cops, made sure the case would never go to trial, we will never know what happened between Brown and Wilson. We have Wilson's version of events.

Posted by: Pinger at December 27, 2014 10:01 PM (Y92Nd)

180 Well, I call BS on your story, and I am "black" balling you for Platinum membership.

Sorry, Dude your story is TOTALLY not on the intertubes.

Dude, it happened in 1994. Never made the news, except for locally.

Posted by: Patrick in Michigan at December 27, 2014 11:11 PM (OhrW4)

181 and I see Ace is removing comments. typical neocon bullshit.

Have a nice day.

Posted by: Patrick in Michigan at December 27, 2014 11:13 PM (OhrW4)

182 according to current accepted definition of racism, only white people can be racist. Brown and black people can be prejudiced, but they can not be racist because racism, by definition equals prejudice plus power. it is also generally accepted by academia that white people are hard wired to be racist towards people of color more so than the other way around. if i remember correctly, this assertion is based on an experiment with a small sample size and not the most solid methods. that being said, this is generally what is accepted by academics today that study and opine on whiteness and white privilege. it should also be noted that every time a right-leaning person says "we need to take our country back," it is interpreted as meaning that it needs to be "taken back" from the non-white occupant of the oval office. that being said, people can't communicate properly if they do not hold the same definitions for terms. there are many well meaning people that are more concerned about the political philosophy of the democratic party and less about race. when it comes down to it, green is really the only color that matters at the end of the day. we could all use a few more dollars in our pockets.

Posted by: Mistress NOpe at December 28, 2014 01:31 AM (2/oBD)

183 "It was probably some damn black kid who came up here from the city on the #3 (bus)"

Not sure that is really racist. Blacks have a higher crime rate, the guy likely had probability on his side.

Is someone really racist? Or are they simply critical of another (sub) culture that behaves different?

From a practical point I'm not sure the motive matters. The reality is that as long as appearance has predictive value it will be used for such.

Posted by: DonS at December 28, 2014 01:56 AM (Hj7X8)

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Posted by: Tina at December 28, 2014 03:56 AM (WprBO)

185 "did anybody else notice there was an outbreak of "youth" mob fighting" Sure enough, Colin Flaherty found the stories, and reported it happened around the country, not just in the three places I noticed.

The outbreaks in Chicago are the top three most popular story items at the Chicago Sun-Times website this morning. They have a video of the Scandis tearing up a McDonalds in downtown Chicago, after they were ejected for disrupting Navy Pier. Despite the clear video evidence, Chi five-oh decline to arrest the rioters.

Posted by: gp at December 28, 2014 10:48 AM (+Jpqc)

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