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What Happened to "Reasonable People Can Disagree?" [Y-not]

Recent events have led me to a troubling realization about the state of the GOP (to which I have belonged since 1980 and to which I still belong, but perhaps not for long) -- it is currently dominated by factions who apparently no longer subscribe to the "Reasonable People Can Disagree" theory of American politics.

I discovered this when my timeline was blasted with vitriol from a certain segment of political types whose mission is life is to destroy -- or at the very least marginalize -- Senator Ted Cruz. Here's a sample:


I like this one:


"Results" matter... except when they produce in a trillion dollar spending bill, I guess.

Go to Twitchy for a round up.

(A few days ago Ace had a terrific post about this latest Cruz incident. He is much more eloquent than I am so go read it.)

Now to be honest a lot of these folks are people whose accounts I had already "muted" (a most excellent feature of Twitter that I wish we had here, but I digress) from previous episodes of "base"-bashing and condescension and other nonsense, but after the Cruz stuff I "blocked" a bunch of them. Why? NOT because they dislike Cruz, but because they were attacking him using weak (to non-existent) arguments about Cruz's maneuver (and resorting to ad hominem attacks) with the type of vigor that should be reserved for Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama.

There were a few folks whose tweets did surprise me in terms of their negativity about Cruz but whom I did not block, primarily because everyone deserves a mulligan now and then... and also because the tone of their tweets was somewhat less incendiary. (I'm looking at you Sean Agnew! *wink*)

The problem with the barrage of (frankly, seemingly coordinated) attacks on Cruz last weekend was the folks making these tweets left no room to engage them in a discussion. In fact, I really only bothered to try to interact with a handful of anti-Cruz folks whose tweets (or past behavior) left room for discussion. Here's an example of what I encountered:





It's a very long thread and a lot of other folks joined in during the process but, amazingly, we were able to stay civil. Although we did not persuade each other, and I never really did get to the heart of what Stubbornly Me's objections were (he really could not cite specific examples of Cruz attacking other Republicans), at least we treated each other like fellow conservatives. In other words, we afforded each other the umbrella of respect of the "Reasonable People Can Disagree" philosophy.

Yesterday we had another incident, even more serious in many ways than the dreadful CRomnibus, and yet again I started seeing people from the Right tweeting (or writing blog posts) in ways that suggest that They Know All The Things and Reasonable People Cannot Disagree.

Can we stop with this, please?

I'm not talking about compromising your positions. I'm just talking about trying to not exude nuclear levels of smug or incendiary rhetoric or false claims of Truth when you state your positions. I see this behavior a lot lately, whether it be the Same Sex Marriage debate or Gun Control or Ted Cruz or Police Shootings.

Most of what we are engaging in on a daily basis resides in the world of opinion, not fact. Even, frankly, Constitutional matters exist in that realm -- that's what the Supreme Court is for, right? Seems to me they reverse themselves from time to time.

So let's forget making the Republican Party about a "Big Tent!" It's not working. Frankly, the people pushing this philosophy appear more interested in excluding some conservatives under the guise of "expanding the base."

There is no point in having a Big Tent if you shoulder existing residents out of it in the process.

Let's go for "Reasonable People Can Disagree" and see where that gets us.


Open thread.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:10 PM




Comments

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1 I agree. The republican party is in trouble because of its divisive rhetoric

Posted by: Samuel Oliver Caleb Kingsley at December 21, 2014 02:09 PM (jucos)

2 Y-not, the new meme is conservatives must compromise always; liberals and moderates never.


This used to be the Democrat position for Republicans. The Republican leadership and their supporters have adopted it as their own now.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 02:11 PM (u9gzs)

3 Some of this is a result of a weak national party.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 02:11 PM (4BbMe)

4 Cruz-Brat 2016

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at December 21, 2014 02:13 PM (cBlx8)

5 Y-not, the new meme is conservatives must compromise always; liberals and moderates never.
----

Yep.

I am really only talking about applying the Reasonable People Can Disagree standard *within* the Party and/or within the conservative movement.

I don't consider Occupy Wall Streeters or Shut It Down rioters to be reasonable. Or most of the Democrat Party at this point.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:13 PM (9BRsg)

6 "Results" matter... except when they produce in a trillion dollar spending bill, I guess.

+100

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 02:14 PM (rwI+c)

7 And the rest of the story is that the RNCe hates conservatives and the base and wish they would disappear.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 02:14 PM (u9gzs)

8 Political Parties have been fighting since Caesar and Brutus had a difference of opinion.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 02:14 PM (nzKvP)

9 I feel the same way about left and right.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at December 21, 2014 02:15 PM (PGXA8)

10 John Boehner is Bob Michel reborn. A natural minority leader promoted above his abilities.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 02:15 PM (rwI+c)

11 Political Parties have been fighting since Caesar and Brutus had a difference of opinion.
---

But it seems to me there's a lot more '"Shut up," they explained' going on now.

Look at the same sex marriage thing. WITHIN the GOP it is now pretty much no longer up for debate. It's about shaming and silencing the folks who hold a position that is the majority view (and is still, iirc, in the Party Platform).

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:17 PM (9BRsg)

12 A lot of this is due to the ratchet that's been turning over the last 50 years. Even Reagan couldn't reduce the size of the Federal Leviathan. Reasonable people can disagree over local and personal issues, but when every issue is mandated and enforced by a faraway national government, moderation and tolerance go out the window.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 21, 2014 02:17 PM (T1005)

13 Clearly we have lost the understanding that the purpose of having a really big tent
is so we have enough head-room and elbow room TO BURN HERETICS SAFELY

Posted by: Lady Whiteadder at December 21, 2014 02:17 PM (t//F+)

14 We are not sitting down as a Party and grappling with what we want to be FOR. We are either shaming each others' positions or engaging in the utterly useless exercise of vote-chasing (for the "youth" vote or the Latino vote or the "urban" vote).

We don't seem to be able to engage each other on principles, right now.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:19 PM (9BRsg)

15 5 I am really only talking about applying the Reasonable People Can
Disagree standard *within* the Party and/or within the conservative
movement.


Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:13 PM (9BRsg)




I think we here show that within the conservative Party reasonable people can agree on most things and have a difference of opinion on a few.


Occasionally there is a hot button issue that two people will get their backs up about, but that is rare. Provided the argument is not between a regular and a troll.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 02:19 PM (u9gzs)

16 Clearly we have lost the understanding that the purpose of having a really big tent
is so we have enough head-room and elbow room TO BURN HERETICS SAFELY
---

OMG, I *love* that!

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:20 PM (9BRsg)

17 14 very true

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 02:20 PM (cbfNE)

18 I was listening to the American Conservative University podcast. I don't know who does it, but they have a lot of Townhall radio shows.

Anyway, it was the audio of a documentary about Ronald Reagan. Reagan, of course, had the advantage of celebrity but he faced a gigantic uphill battle on everything. All of the "right" people thought he was nuts.

And he was right about almost everything.

Look, I can get that people are a little queasy about the crazies and that the GOP has to purer than Caesar's wife but too many of them are just positioning to be the biggest fish in the GOP pond.

Here's my biggest test: Did you lie to me?

Well, the people who pushed the "this enabled Reid to get appointments that he wouldn't otherwise be entitled to" line lied to me.

I do NOT like being lied to.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 21, 2014 02:21 PM (b4b5c)

19 Big Tent? DO you know how much it costs to heat that thing?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 02:21 PM (nzKvP)

20 I do NOT like being lied to.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 21, 2014 02:21 PM (b4b5c)

Don't get married

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 02:22 PM (nzKvP)

21 2 Y-not, the new meme is conservatives must compromise always; liberals and moderates never.


This used to be the Democrat position for Republicans. The Republican leadership and their supporters have adopted it as their own now.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 02:11 PM (u9gzs)

That pretty much nails it.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 02:22 PM (mx5oN)

22 Look, I can get that people are a little queasy about the crazies
and that the GOP has to purer than Caesar's wife but too many of them
are just positioning to be the biggest fish in the GOP pond.



Here's my biggest test: Did you lie to me?

--

That's a good standard to use.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:22 PM (9BRsg)

23 14
We are not sitting down as a Party and grappling with what we want to be
FOR. We are either shaming each others' positions or engaging in the
utterly useless exercise of vote-chasing (for the "youth" vote or the
Latino vote or the "urban" vote).

We don't seem to be able to engage each other on principles, right now.


Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:19 PM (9BRsg)


That is because the Republican leadership believe that overpaid consultants should be the ones who tell them what to be "FOR" while they ignore the base.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 02:23 PM (u9gzs)

24 It was my hope that a short term continuing resolution would be drafted and advanced through Congress. Instead...we all know what happened. Now the incoming freshman Congresspeople are cut off at the knees. Elected to give voice to the rising discontent of voters, now muzzled. On top of this the GOPe take potshots at the only 2 guys, Cruz and Lee, that are willing to take an ethical stand. Certainly makes a guy happy to be part of such a pitiful organization.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 21, 2014 02:24 PM (r2vMO)

25 Most of what we are engaging in on a daily basis resides in the world of opinion, not fact. Even, frankly, Constitutional matters exist in that realm -- that's what the Supreme Court is for, right? Seems to me they reverse themselves from time to time.

That's the thing for me: the left loves to twist Reality (and language) so much that simple facts aren't recognizable as such.

Befuddling you is the nature of their game. Getting you to doubt what you know is true is their ultimate goal.

There are many simple principles in the Constitution, but the left today basically demands that they be ignored. The Second and Fourteenth Amendments spring immediately to mind. It's amazing to me how many leftards can completely ignore the plain wording of both.

Confusion of confusion. All is confusion.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 02:24 PM (0HooB)

26 Boehner for speaker because results matter!!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 02:25 PM (LImiJ)

27 Gog / Magog 2016

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 02:25 PM (LImiJ)

28 Good post overall, but there was a sentence i disagreed with so FUUUUCK YOU!!

Posted by: BuckIV at December 21, 2014 02:27 PM (CLfqv)

29 It was my hope that a short term continuing resolution would be drafted
and advanced through Congress. Instead...we all know what happened.

---

I'm not being "cute" here, but I honestly never saw an explanation from the folks pushing for CRomnibus for *not* passing a short-term spending bill.

They slid straight into CRUZ IS RUINING EVERYTHING without ever justifying their Grand Plan.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:27 PM (9BRsg)

30 Human nature to go viciously after your enemy. I find it instructive that no GOPe goes after democrats as hard as they do Tea Party types in particular and conservatives in general.

That is all I need to know

Posted by: Jukin at December 21, 2014 02:28 PM (WGm5T)

31
There are certain positions that I wont compromise on. I try not to be a PITA about them, but hey. I'm kind of past trying to make a good impression for the sake of the Party. Of which i no longer consider myself a member of.


And yes I know my grammer stinks.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 02:28 PM (dFi94)

32 Good post overall, but there was a sentence i disagreed with so FUUUUCK YOU!!

RINO!

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 02:29 PM (rwI+c)

33 Two men armed with shotguns robbed Satin Dolls of about $30,000 early Sunday morning and fled, Lodi police Lt. Robert Salerno said in a news release.

Lodi police responded to the reported robbery at the Route 17 strip club at 4:43 a.m.

The club stood in as Bada Bing on the HBO show The Sopranos.


Any Morons here living large this Sunday AM?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 02:29 PM (nzKvP)

34 Is there a Twitter button for "Burn Them with Napalm"?

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 21, 2014 02:29 PM (oFCZn)

35 Off sock

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 21, 2014 02:29 PM (oFCZn)

36 Ted Cruz = Terrell Owens. Perfect.

Reasonable people getting along? Listened to Rush lately? And his ilk and minions? If one is not properly baptized a "true conservative," or worse yet may lean to being a "moderate? then one might as well be a Trotskyite. It is those purists who stay home if their TP candidate didn't win; it is those whose views and dogmas seem to wish to make the Republican part a fringe party

Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 21, 2014 02:30 PM (zmZ2x)

37 >>Is there a Twitter button for "Burn Them with Napalm"?

Let me know if you find it.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:30 PM (9BRsg)

38 Fairweatherbill,
That's exactly what they should have done, find government until mid January & wait for new senate majority.

Cantor probably did this for financial reasons, but I'm glad David Brat was sworn in November & he tried to advance a bill in the House to stop funding EO Amnesty.

Newish website is great source of info.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 02:31 PM (sj3Ax)

39 I got an idea, let's nominate a conservative in 2016. It's worth a try.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 02:32 PM (rwI+c)

40 I suspect Rush Limbaugh has motivated more Republicans to go out and vote for the nominee than most talking heads.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:32 PM (9BRsg)

41 I welcome Cruz and Lee into the club. It's lonely in here.

Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 02:32 PM (WGm5T)

42 Here's one example of what I'm talking about.

You've heard all sorts of people who want to "make a difference." And that's all you hear. There's no qualifier at all and no differentiation between a positive difference or a negative one.

But they sure do want to "make a difference."

Spare me the mewling bullshit. If you can't tell the difference, then you have no business telling me what you want.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 02:32 PM (0HooB)

43 Yes those people must be more mature in their disagreements with Cruz like people were with Romney.

( I say that sarcastically as someone who campaigned for Cruz before anyone outside of Texas knew who he was)

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 21, 2014 02:32 PM (3jmxp)

44 Speaking of big tents, Facebook caves to Russian demands and blocks anti-Putin site. From Drudge.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 02:33 PM (LImiJ)

45 Reasonable people can disagree?

Were not dealing with reasonable people.

Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 02:34 PM (Ipxoj)

46 I'm not being "cute" here, but I honestly never saw an explanation from the folks pushing for CRomnibus for *not* passing a short-term spending bill. Y-not


Neither did I. And it was as if the monster was already written, sitting on the shelf, just waiting for that particular moment to be foisted on us. No comment, no amendment, just full steam ahead. A very suspect piece of work.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 21, 2014 02:34 PM (r2vMO)

47 Meteor/Earth 2016

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 02:35 PM (XzRw1)

48 And it was as if the monster was already written, sitting on the shelf,
just waiting for that particular moment to be foisted on us.
---

Yep.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:35 PM (9BRsg)

49 Exactly what did the GOPe bring to us?

Crushing defeats in 2006 and 2008.

What did the Tea Party bring to us?

Huge victories in 2010 and 2014.

Again, all I have to know.

Posted by: Jukin at December 21, 2014 02:36 PM (WGm5T)

50 39 I got an idea, let's nominate a conservative in 2016. It's worth a try.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 02:32 PM (rwI+c)



Let it be so. And lets not kill him during the primaries.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 02:36 PM (dFi94)

51 Big tent politics is bs if you're going to eviscerate core values. Since I've never been a registered Republican, I couldn't care less what they do. As an Independent conservative, I'm appalled at the tactics of the GOPe.

Posted by: hadoop at December 21, 2014 02:38 PM (2X7pN)

52
My spellcheck isnt working all of a sudden. See that apostrophe that isnt there?

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 02:38 PM (dFi94)

53 Honey, you know I love you. I wouldn't have to beat you if you didn't burn the beans. And talk back.

Posted by: The GOPe at December 21, 2014 02:38 PM (LImiJ)

54 "39 I got an idea, let's nominate a conservative in 2016. It's worth a try."

HERESY!! BURN THE WITCH!!!

Posted by: The Real GOP at December 21, 2014 02:39 PM (lG2E3)

55 I got an idea, let's nominate a conservative in 2016. It's worth a try.

-
That's crazy talk! We'd scare the middle away!

Posted by: The GOPe at December 21, 2014 02:41 PM (LImiJ)

56 29 I'm not being "cute" here, but I honestly never saw
an explanation from the folks pushing for CRomnibus for *not* passing a
short-term spending bill.

They slid straight into CRUZ IS RUINING EVERYTHING without ever justifying their Grand Plan.


Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:27 PM (9BRsg)


The stuff I saw was from pundits. They advanced the reason as the RNCe was terrified of another shutdown that would be blamed on them. Never saw anything from Boner and company.

That must not have a shutdown cause it will kill us is also a massive lie from the leadership.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 02:42 PM (u9gzs)

57 Reasonable People Can Disagree?

----

There's the rub. Cruz IS NOT REASONABLE AND HE'S RUINING *EVERYTHING*!!

Posted by: GOPe at December 21, 2014 02:43 PM (OBxdH)

58 36 Reasonable people getting along? Listened to Rush
lately? And his ilk and minions? If one is not properly baptized a "true
conservative," or worse yet may lean to being a "moderate? then one
might as well be a Trotskyite. It is those purists who stay home if
their TP candidate didn't win; it is those whose views and dogmas seem
to wish to make the Republican part a fringe party


Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 21, 2014 02:30 PM (zmZ2x)

We appreciate your concern.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 02:43 PM (u9gzs)

59 Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 21, 2014 02:30 PM (zmZ2x)

Concerned, bro?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 21, 2014 02:43 PM (lG2E3)

60 One has a choice:

a. Twitter;

or

b. Having a life.

I choose b.

Posted by: zombie at December 21, 2014 02:44 PM (K4YiS)

61 Stop copying me, Vic. You copy-cat.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 21, 2014 02:44 PM (lG2E3)

62 We need a conservative GOP if the country is going to recover after the JEF.

Grammie Winger,
Are you using iPad? I have to pause & often have to put my own apostrophes in. It must have been one of the IOS updates.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 02:44 PM (sj3Ax)

63 Reasonable People Can Disagree?



----



There's the rub. Cruz IS NOT REASONABLE AND HE'S RUINING *EVERYTHING*!!

----

He's not even HUMAN!!!

Posted by: Bob the Beltway Barnacle at December 21, 2014 02:45 PM (9BRsg)

64 Too soon to start a campaign. Now is the time to test out your approach to the big money donors. Find a pitch they like and work it.

You don't want the voters to peak too soon and lose interest six months before the election.

Posted by: Burnum, Barium, and Howie at December 21, 2014 02:45 PM (MOBkP)

65 One way to work toward reasonable people disagreeing - stop focusing
solely on someone's alleged intentions and pay attention to their overt
actions.

Commentary's recent piece on Cruz (Toobin's ?) pushed the narrative that, while his policies may be appealing to the base, Cruz is just an opportunist pandering to the base to satisfy his Presidential ambitions. Team GOP has sought to saddle him with this since Day One. Your commenters are marching to that drumbeat and don't need facts messing up their rhythm.

It would be nice if I knew Cruz's heart. Not likely to happen, so I'm forced to rely on his actions instead. He fights - Boehner caves. Cruz "panders" to the base - Boehner lies and tells the base to shut up.

Those saying Cruz is "doing it wrong" need to show me their doing it right. All I see from their side is a lot of ad hom and efforts to mislead me rather than lead the country.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 02:45 PM (QKIQb)

66 Speaking of reasonable people, NAACP press release -- NYPD police officers killed are "stark example of the need for sensible gun control measures."

Posted by: The GOPe at December 21, 2014 02:46 PM (LImiJ)

67 Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 02:44 PM (sj3Ax)


I am using my iPad. Huh. Odd.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 02:47 PM (dFi94)

68 Reasonable People should be able to disagree? Hum? Define "Reasonable People"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 02:48 PM (nzKvP)

69 Defining reasonableness down.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2014 02:48 PM (W5DcG)

70 I'm still trying to ascertain the alleged damage last year's "shut down" did to us at the ballot box, btw.

Did anyone think we'd win a veto-proof majority this year were it not for the dastardly Cruz, Paul, and Lee?

And, if we did, what would they have done with that type of election result?

All the folks who claim that "true cons" led to Mitt's defeat or that they're ruining the Party seem oblivious to the effect that CRomnibus will have on conservative voter turnout next time. I guess none of them ever played or coached sports, because they have no idea about how momentum and morale affect a group.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:49 PM (9BRsg)

71 "stark example of the need for sensible gun control measures."

-----

You mean like convicted felons barred from owing/possessing firearms?

Posted by: GOPe at December 21, 2014 02:49 PM (o/3Hk)

72 "That must not have a shutdown cause it will kill us is also a massive lie from the leadership."

A transparent one given that the Republicans just won big.. Shutdown Apocalypse peddlars have nothing good to respond with on that score.

Like the witchdoctor after the village gets hit with the hurricane despite his efforts, all they can say is some variation on "imaging how much worse it would have been if I hadn't been here."

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 02:50 PM (QKIQb)

73 Mandatory "Diversity Training" at work next week. Presented by a transvestite. I'm sure I'll be encouraged to reasonably disagree.

Actually, I think I feel a cold coming on.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 21, 2014 02:50 PM (lG2E3)

74 How does one identify unreasonable people?

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 02:50 PM (MQEz6)

75 >>How does one identify unreasonable people?

Anyone who voted for Obama is unreasonable.

Frankly, anyone who stayed a Democrat after Obama's first term is unreasonable.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:51 PM (9BRsg)

76 I'm taking the view that all of this is a symptom of a nation in steep decline. All the DC "establishment" is doing is using all it's muscle to squeeze as much wealth for themselves out of the population. And then they'll be set financially when the nation finally falls.

What WE need to do is to quit trying tie our future to the tyrants in Washington.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 02:51 PM (xF71N)

77 I don't think Cruz & Lee are pandering to the base. They're trying to do the right thing, the last one was to force a vote on whether SCOAMTs EO Amnesty was illegal. Nine senators that voted that it was illegal promptly turned around & then voted for CRomnibus.

Conservative Review has details & I Tweeted article too.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 02:52 PM (sj3Ax)

78 How does one identify unreasonable people?
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 02:50 PM (MQEz6)


Well start with the 52% and go from there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 02:52 PM (nzKvP)

79 How does one identify unreasonable people?
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 02:50 PM (MQEz6)


Well start with the 52% and go from there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 02:52 PM (nzKvP)

80 Great article by Andrew McCarthy demolishing the slur that Cruz and Lee's action helped Reid get Obummer's judicial nominees approved:

http://tinyurl.com/o8e7476

Posted by: FOAF at December 21, 2014 02:52 PM (eVemY)

81 "74 How does one identify unreasonable people?"

That's easy. Anybody who doesn't think the federal government should continue to expand forever.

Posted by: The Real GOP at December 21, 2014 02:53 PM (lG2E3)

82 Wow. When did we become a bunch of leftists who think results don't matter as long as your intentions are good? And anyone who actually FOLLOWS me on Twitter (without muting or blocking) knows that I spend most of my time going after Obama and the left. Side note: I say things under my own name; I don't attack people while hiding under a fake name like "Open Blogger." Self-awareness can be hard!

Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 02:53 PM (vuiga)

83 How does one identify unreasonable people?

They don't agree with me.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 02:55 PM (rwI+c)

84 How does one identify unreasonable people?

----

Do you believe in:
Smaller Government
2nd Ammendment
Right to Life
Traditional Marriage
Capital Punishment
Secure Border
Strong Defense

Answer "YES" to any of the above and you're unreasonable.

Posted by: GOPe at December 21, 2014 02:55 PM (o/3Hk)

85 60: Zombie, I don't twitter and I don't facebook. Don't have time for that shit.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at December 21, 2014 02:55 PM (ucDmr)

86 "All the DC "establishment" is doing is using all it's muscle to squeeze
as much wealth for themselves out of the population. And then they'll
be set financially when the nation finally falls."

>>Yeah, I gotta say that the appeal of not contributing a single penny to any but my most favored candidates (iow, not to the turd nominee we usually get) is starting to appeal to me. These friggin' consultants and political fundraisers are getting rich off of us. And, frankly, I think they keep soliciting for money well after they know the election is lost simply because they (the fundraisers) work on commission. My whole view changed when I learned that political fundraisers work on commission -- that's not done in charitable fundraising. It's considered unethical (because it is).


"What WE need to do is to quit trying tie our future to the tyrants in Washington."

>>Politics are local to a large extent, that's true.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:56 PM (9BRsg)

87 The self-evident route to victory is to come up with candidates who violate standard categories.

No one will ever be excited by any candidate who merely checks off all the same ol' same ol' boxes of what a run-of-the-mill "conservative" or "liberal" is supposed to believe.

But if someone straddles classification zones, who cherry-picks popular/intriguing/ahead-of-the-curve policies from all over the 2D political spectrum, it will be impossible to pigeonhole such a person and thereby impossible for any opposition to take him out with the traditional ammunition used on opponents.

I think of Pym Fortuyn, Ronald Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt -- people who defied boundaries set on them by preexisting political ideologies. (And yes, Reagan belongs in there as the first real politician to advocate actively "shrinking government," a concept that seemed a bit bizarre and unnecessary at the time he first enunciated it...but he was right.)

And so I say someone, for example, who is a fiscal hyper-conservative, a strict Constitutionalist -- but who is also laissez-faire on social issues, and yet doesn't have any kookiness associated with some on the extreme libertarian wing -- such a person could kick ass and win, because the libs could not use the "social issue wedge" the always use to attack any fiscal conservative.

Posted by: zombie at December 21, 2014 02:56 PM (K4YiS)

88 Ken - what the hell does using your own name vs. a nick have to do with anything? Should critics provide you with their addresses as well ? Is there some public appearance we're all going to attend where we can call each other out?

Or can we just stick to responding to the arguments as stated?

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 02:57 PM (QKIQb)

89 "Open Blogger" is a term the blog uses for anyone posting as a substitute for Mr. Ace of Spades.

It's not intended as a nefarious plot to hide teh ebil anonymous poster.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 02:57 PM (dFi94)

90 NAACP press release -- NYPD police officers killed are "stark example of the need for sensible gun control measures."

I will talk to Mitch about meeting with them to further the conversation.

Posted by: DnaR LuaP at December 21, 2014 02:57 PM (XzRw1)

91 75 >>How does one identify unreasonable people?

Anyone who voted for Obama is unreasonable.

Frankly, anyone who stayed a Democrat after Obama's first term is unreasonable.
Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 02:51 PM (9BRsg)

Good start.

Keep going.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 02:58 PM (MQEz6)

92 What WE need to do is to quit trying tie our future to the tyrants in Washington.

We're trying. But having the Repumpkin Leadership pick our candidates for us makes that nearly impossible. Who wants Jeb? Or Chrispy Chreme? Or any of the other squishes popping up on the radar like Fuckabee? Not me.

Give me a Cruz or Lee or Perry any day.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 02:58 PM (0HooB)

93 Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 21, 2014 02:30 PM (zmZ2x)

We appreciate your concern.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 02:43 PM (u9gzs)

Ever notice the weird, stilted rhetorical style some people drop into when they try to be Concerned?

"Listened to Rush
lately? And his ilk and minions? If one is not properly baptized a "true
conservative," or worse yet may lean to being a "moderate? then one
might as well be a Trotskyite."

Who talks like this? Does anyone actually say, out loud in conversation, "One might as well be a Trotskyite"? It sounds like the writer's trying to channel what he thinks conversation sounds like in The New Yorker's coffee lounge (or whatever they have). Note also the religious symbolism of 'baptized'.

"It is those purists who stay home if
their TP candidate didn't win; it is those whose views and dogmas seem
to wish to make the Republican part a fringe party"

Other things they do. Substitute 'wish' for 'want'. 'Desire' is another one that gets overused. Contractions get eliminated; you get lots of 'it is' when 'it's' is perfectly acceptable. Passive voice sentence construction, use of outdated terms (Obama's notorious overuse of "Folks" is an obvious one).

Like Orwell says in "Politics and the English Language", you kinda get the feeling that the speaker isn't conveying his opinion; he's assembling a rhetorical Erector set with prefabricated noises, viewpoints, and phrases.

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 02:59 PM (uG374)

94 85 60: Zombie, I don't twitter and I don't facebook. Don't have time for that shit.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo

And I suspect that you have a fuller meat-space life for doing so!

All Twitter users should be prescribed Vitamin D supplements, because they rarely come out of their dark basements, and never see the sun.

Posted by: zombie at December 21, 2014 02:59 PM (K4YiS)

95 Maybe Boehner listening to all the voters who didn't vote but would have voted for him if they'd voted.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 02:59 PM (LImiJ)

96 Grammie Winger,
I have been using my iPad 99% of the time. I hurt neck & shoulder using computer.

Plus I cannot post here from my Mac without Error 500 as of mid November. I've tried every possible suggestion.
I can post simple sentences but can't use punctuation.
I haven't tried lately & I copies & pasted Error Message, put in word doc & emailed computer expert.

As usual Fox News continues weekend reruns!

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 02:59 PM (sj3Ax)

97 My state senator voted to allow gay marrage in Wash St. Position I opposed and e-mailed and told him why and got a response that made me think. Said he voted on the basis of district preference( probably true). He also said that he was the leader of a coalition of D and R that kept spending under control (true) and was working to prevent institution of other taxes and fees ie carbon tax (true so far). Since I can't always get what I want (I am a realist) he made me remember I needed to prioritize my wants and judge on the basis of what was more important. Taxes won. I voted for him. Most of our problems involve an inability of our "leaders" to listen and distill a Top Five Things list and deliver. Those Top Five Things would satisfy most people (con and LIV) and delivery would make you a friend, not an enemy. If such a list cannot be compiled and agreed to then we are truly doomed as a party and a nation.
Remember, the lib/commie plan is to fracture society into small groups so they can gather in enough fragments through payoffs to rule. If you can gather a sizable majority by satisfying a few common wants it is so much easier to gain control and also get the divisive issues forced down to the states where they belong.
Remember, keep all criticism sub-kiloton level so the neighbors can enjoy a quiet Sunday afternoon.


Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (uPxUo)

98 zombie, roger that. This site is one of my few stops.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (ucDmr)

99 I should add that "Open Blogger" is almost certainly a person who blocked me months or years ago when I said something she didn't like about immigration. She is in no position to lecture us about disagreeing civilly with other conservatives.

Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (vuiga)

100 If we ever find out, it will be interesting to see where/how the cop killer procured his weapon.

I'll take "Stolen", for $1000, Alex.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (kgisg)

101 It's not intended as a nefarious plot to hide teh ebil anonymous poster.
------

That and the "Y-not" at the end od the leade.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (o/3Hk)

102 91 Frankly, anyone who stayed a Democrat after Obama's first term is unreasonable.
Posted by: Y-not

hey!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe needs to cut a cop hater at December 21, 2014 03:01 PM (/2Qtx)

103 Side note: I say things under my own name; I don't attack people while hiding under a fake name like "Open Blogger."

Dood!

Posted by: DaveA at December 21, 2014 03:01 PM (DL2i+)

104 82 Wow. When did we become a bunch of leftists who think results don't matter as long as your intentions are good? And anyone who actually FOLLOWS me on Twitter (without muting or blocking) knows that I spend most of my time going after Obama and the left. Side note: I say things under my own name; I don't attack people while hiding under a fake name like "Open Blogger." Self-awareness can be hard!
Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 02:53 PM (vuiga)

You told us how you spend most of your time; what do you do with the rest of it?

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 03:01 PM (MQEz6)

105 The Packers better win this game and that's all I'm gonna say about that.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:01 PM (dFi94)

106 I should add that "Open Blogger" is almost certainly a person who blocked me months or years ago when I said something she didn't like about immigration. She is in no position to lecture us about disagreeing civilly with other conservatives.

Well played.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 03:01 PM (rwI+c)

107 Maybe Boehner listening to all the voters who didn't vote but would have voted for him if they'd voted.
---

There's a lot of that going around, isn't there?

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:01 PM (9BRsg)

108 Does anyone actually say, out loud in conversation, "One might as well be a Trotskyite"?

-
I sometimes say, "You fcuking Trotskyite! Where's my ice axe?"

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 03:02 PM (LImiJ)

109 Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (vuiga)

Yes. There will be growth. In the spring.

Posted by: Chauncey Gardner at December 21, 2014 03:02 PM (lG2E3)

110 105 The Packers better win this game and that's all I'm gonna say about that

da bears defense and special teams showed up today
plus they decided to actually use forte
hence da bears are up by 4

Posted by: navycopjoe needs to cut a cop hater at December 21, 2014 03:03 PM (/2Qtx)

111 Zombie, I don't twitter and I don't facebook. Don't have time for that shit.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo

I Don't Fox
I Don't pro sports
I Don't CoC...




Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 03:03 PM (XzRw1)

112 99 I should add that "Open Blogger" is almost certainly a person who blocked me months or years ago when I said something she didn't like about immigration. She is in no position to lecture us about disagreeing civilly with other conservatives.
Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (vuiga)



Are you always this endearing, or is it just the holiday spirit?

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:03 PM (dFi94)

113 >>hey!!!

*sprinkles Holy Water on navycopjoe, granting dispensation*


Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:03 PM (9BRsg)

114 So let's forget making the Republican Party about a "Big Tent!" It's not working. Frankly, the people pushing this philosophy appear more interested in excluding some conservatives under the guise of "expanding the base."

There is no point in having a Big Tent if you shoulder existing residents out of it in the process.


That's ok. I know when I'm not wanted. I'll leave.
But. Once I do, it's over. No Go-Backs. No Do-Overs.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 21, 2014 03:04 PM (R0WL7)

115 105: Grammie I think they will. Tampa's offense is inept.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at December 21, 2014 03:04 PM (ucDmr)

116 If Woody had gone straight to the Police, this would never have happened.

Posted by: Bunco Busters at December 21, 2014 03:04 PM (HKvMD)

117 It's true... I. AM. TED. CRUZ...

(Well, his cat, actually.)

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (9BRsg)

118 Posted by: navycopjoe needs to cut a cop hater at December 21, 2014 03:03 PM (/2Qtx)


Go Bears !! And I mean that with all my shriveled little heart!

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (dFi94)

119 Tradition means giving a vote to most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about.

All democrats object to men being disqualified by the accident of birth; tradition objects to their being disqualified by the accident of death. Democracy tells us not to neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our groom; tradition asks us not to neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our father.

Posted by: Stuff Chesterson Said at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (rwI+c)

120 For perspective, consider the source: Twitter.

Twitter is for pithy observations, and snark.

It might be a bit dramatic to suggest a tiff on Twitter is akin to a declaration of world war. I suspect that the common user of Twitter is someone who is confident in what they think, has a cutting sense of humor, and throws highly concentrated poo at the wall for fun. Pro-tip: don't play catch with bomb throwers.

Perhaps not the best venue for deep thinkers and such.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (WS+CW)

121 This assumes that people are reasonable and rational creatures...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (lN8KC)

122 I can't think!

Posted by: Kenny garnder at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (NlPWf)

123
Oh c'mon Chiefs...

Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (o/3Hk)

124 "Yesterday we had another incident, even more serious in many ways than
the dreadful CRomnibus, and yet again I started seeing people from the
Right tweeting (or writing blog posts) in ways that suggest that They
Know All The Things and Reasonable People Cannot Disagree."

Are these posters really from the right if they're pushing the meme that we should always be surrendering to President Poopy-Head and anyone who doesn't is an unreasonable extremist?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (Bvpt6)

125 Ken,
Are you sure about that?

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 03:06 PM (sj3Ax)

126 123: Andy Reid have any timeouts left?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at December 21, 2014 03:06 PM (ucDmr)

127 Turn out the base and you win. Compromise for the marginal voter and you lose.

Posted by: Stuff Tobias Took Said at December 21, 2014 03:07 PM (rwI+c)

128 Go Bears !! And I mean that with all my shriveled little heart!
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:05 PM (dFi94)

The Bears have re-upped Cutler, which is the re-electing Obama of the NFL. Give them two years, and the Raiders will be taking their lunch money.

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:07 PM (uG374)

129 113 *sprinkles Holy Water on navycopjoe, granting dispensation*

nah, i'm waiting for my multi-million dollar graft payout
hell, everyone else is getting it, I needs to get paid!!

Posted by: navycopjoe needs to cut a cop hater at December 21, 2014 03:07 PM (/2Qtx)

130 I was a slow adopter to Twitter, but I've found it useful. I used to rely on Hot Gas as a news feed -- now I use Twitter for that.

And I discovered people I would not have known about otherwise. IIRC I didn't know about ExJon until I found Twitter.

I don't use it on my phone, so that helps a little bit with the time sink issues.


Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:07 PM (9BRsg)

131 I don't attack people while hiding under a fake name like "Open Blogger." Self-awareness can be hard!

Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 02:53 PM (vuiga)

Huh?

What the hell are you babbling about?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:07 PM (Zu3d9)

132 hey!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe

Da Bears are ahead, shouldn't you be jumping up and down in front of the TV instead of Horde'ing.

Posted by: DaveA at December 21, 2014 03:08 PM (DL2i+)

133 Twitter is cable access for mental cases.

Posted by: Stuff Tobias Took Said at December 21, 2014 03:08 PM (rwI+c)

134 What Daisy Cutter said.

Twitter is the monkey cage of the Internet zoo.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 21, 2014 03:08 PM (z/HLo)

135 Ted Cruz has committed the horrible crime of pulling masks off the faces of cowardly liars and phonies.

Doing so pisses off useful idiots and mewling climbers.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 03:08 PM (MQEz6)

136 "I should add that "Open Blogger" is almost certainly a person who
blocked me months or years ago when I said something she didn't like
about immigration. She is in no position to lecture us about disagreeing
civilly with other conservatives."

Don't care. Have something to say about issues or is this just about you personally?

I'm increasingly ambivalent toward Twitter because I see so much of this type of thing. People get too caught up in their followers, their persona, etc like they're a celebrity. I've caught myself doing it. Judging arguments by how many followers someone has, expecting me to do oppo research on someone's tweets before responding to an argument. Acting as if you have some major online "presence" that has to be defended against critics.

If you're making bank as a pundit, fine. If you're a hobbyist like the rest of us, lighten up.And "she's a bad person" isn't cutting it as an argument regardless.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 03:08 PM (QKIQb)

137 How does one identify unreasonable people?


They don't agree with me.



They refuse to change their opinion when faced with irrefutable evidence, i.e.; "Hands up! Don't shoot".

Posted by: rickb223 at December 21, 2014 03:08 PM (R0WL7)

138 99
I should add that "Open Blogger" is almost certainly a person who
blocked me months or years ago when I said something she didn't like
about immigration. She is in no position to lecture us about disagreeing
civilly with other conservatives.

Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (vuiga)


Open blogger can be any number of people on here, but most put their actual handle in the title. Note that anyone who posts under their real name is taking their legal life in their hands now. Ask Mark Steyn

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 03:08 PM (u9gzs)

139 And anyone who actually FOLLOWS me on Twitter (without muting or blocking) knows that I spend most of my time going after Obama and the left.
Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 02:53 PM (vuiga)

& I spend most of my time not drugging & raping 13-year-olds!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 21, 2014 03:09 PM (MbqmP)

140 I don't think Cruz & Lee are pandering to the base.

-
The concept of "pandering to the base" begins with the assumption that we're all crazy.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 03:09 PM (LImiJ)

141 What the hell are you babbling about?

I'm not sure even he knows.

I saw an Open Blogger post yesterday without attribution, but a few paragraphs in, I knew it was WeirdDave.

Maybe I'm here too much...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 03:10 PM (0HooB)

142 132 shouldn't you be jumping up and down in front of the TV instead of Horde'ing

that'll be when Mel Tucker is forced out of Chicago
i'll be straight fapping if he becomes the defensive coordinater at Green Gay

Posted by: navycopjoe needs to cut a cop hater at December 21, 2014 03:11 PM (/2Qtx)

143 I don't think Cruz Lee are pandering to the base.



-

The concept of "pandering to the base" begins with the assumption that we're all crazy.

----

Exactly.

One of the arguments I saw put forward that really floored me was the Senators who voted with Cruz did so because they are up for re-election.

Voting in a way that the people whose votes you want - and whom you want to represent - is a bad thing.

That's such a big disconnect from where I am that I can't wrap my mind around it.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:12 PM (9BRsg)

144 while hiding under a fake name like "Open Blogger."

By the way, I use my real name on the internet.

I've never asked my parents, Gum Bie and Bam Bie, why they named me Zom, but I'm sure they had their reasons.

Posted by: zombie at December 21, 2014 03:12 PM (K4YiS)

145 Note that anyone who posts under their real name is taking their legal life in their hands now. Ask Mark Steyn.



Should have used Stark Meyn.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 21, 2014 03:12 PM (R0WL7)

146 Maybe I'm here too much...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 03:10 PM (0HooB)


I've picked out AtC and a few others by writing style alone, before seeing their nics at the bottom of their comments.

Must get out more...

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:13 PM (uG374)

147 144 I've never asked my parents, Gum Bie and Bam Bie, why they named me Zom, but I'm sure they had their reasons

a level of snarky wit which keeps me coming back

Posted by: navycopjoe needs to cut a cop hater at December 21, 2014 03:13 PM (/2Qtx)

148 "I've never asked my parents, Gum Bie and Bam Bie, why they named me Zom, but I'm sure they had their reasons."

Winner. The rest of us can go home now.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 03:13 PM (QKIQb)

149 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 03:10 PM (0HooB)

Or...there is a single person who is named "Open Blogger," but who has a dozen different personalities and posts depending on which personality is ascendent.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:13 PM (Zu3d9)

150 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:13 PM (Zu3d9)

Ace's real name is Tyler Durden

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:15 PM (uG374)

151 99 I should add that "Open Blogger" is almost certainly a person who blocked me months or years ago when I said something she didn't like about immigration. She is in no position to lecture us about disagreeing civilly with other conservatives.
Posted by: Ken Gardner at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (vuiga)

You're a real rocket surgeon, aren't you?

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 03:15 PM (KAmzK)

152 I've never asked my parents, Gum Bie and Bam Bie, why they named me Zom, but I'm sure they had their reasons

a level of snarky wit which keeps me coming back



Just like booze, the best snark is Top Shelf Snark.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 21, 2014 03:15 PM (R0WL7)

153 might be a bit dramatic to suggest a tiff on Twitter is akin to a declaration of world war. I suspect that the common user of Twitter is someone who is confident in what they think, has a cutting sense of humor, and throws highly concentrated poo at the wall for fun. Pro-tip: don't play catch with bomb throwers


------------------


The next world war will be declared on Twitter.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 03:16 PM (xF71N)

154 Which purity test tests for reasonableness?

youtube.com/watch?v=8V_hCqO6UQs

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 03:16 PM (dVmLD)

155 Ha! Gardener, you get no points for being a brave twat, because you're still a twat.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 21, 2014 03:16 PM (MbqmP)

156 Posted by: zombie at December 21, 2014 03:12 PM (K4YiS)

Apparently your ideas are without merit unless you publicly claim them using your real name.

I cannot imagine a downside to that, so go for it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:16 PM (Zu3d9)

157 Wifey wants to vacuum so I got to go for a while. bbl

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 03:16 PM (u9gzs)

158 Or...there is a single person who is named "Open Blogger," but who has a dozen different personalities and posts depending on which personality is ascendent.

*taps chin*

Hmm, I hadn't considered that.

*looks at empty space next to couch*

But I did!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 03:16 PM (0HooB)

159 Thin Veneer,
CoC is Chamber of Commerce?

Kid next door joined the Marines. I just went outside to throw recyclables in bin & saw neighbors grilling. I asked how son is & he's home. He left for training in late September. It's too bad he has worst CIC in history.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 03:16 PM (sj3Ax)

160 Or...there is a single person who is named "Open Blogger," but who has a dozen different personalities and posts depending on which personality is ascendent.



Like Average Joe.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 21, 2014 03:17 PM (R0WL7)

161 I assume all of you are actually Ace trolling me. At least that's what the voices suggest.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 03:18 PM (rwI+c)

162 Zom Bie.
*snort*

Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 03:18 PM (xrURQ)

163 To be honest, I didn't think pulling out a publicly tweeted remark to use as an illustration was going to be seen as some big thing. Maybe I shouldn't have done it.

Oh well.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:18 PM (9BRsg)

164 Open Blogger is at top, then open bloggers name is under it.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 03:19 PM (sj3Ax)

165 Well, maybe Descartes is right, and you're all figments of my imagination.

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:19 PM (uG374)

166 I trust what Open Blogger says one hell of a lot more than what Ogumbe and Boehner say.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 03:19 PM (xF71N)

167 Budget problems could be mostly fixed by eliminating the 10,000 carve outs, for the guys that own our Congress. But those are absolutely sacrosanct to all but "smaller more honest government" tea partiers.

In the halls of Gucci Gulch, no carve out shall be touched. There is solidarity on that, AGAINST the working class. Tea party is still the 65% that want smaller government, less fed control, fewer entitlement giveaways. Most don't even understand all the bailouts for the upper crust and connected class.


Posted by: Illiniwek at December 21, 2014 03:20 PM (+/zkf)

168 141 What the hell are you babbling about?

I'm not sure even he knows.

I saw an Open Blogger post yesterday without attribution, but a few paragraphs in, I knew it was WeirdDave.

I forgot at first to put in in. I went back and fixed it pretty quick.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 03:21 PM (KAmzK)

169 The Establishment Right has declared war on Cruz. And, yes, it is coordinated. And moderately effective so far.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 03:21 PM (ZPrif)

170
Blocking is uncivil. You must subject yourself to my opinions.

Ken@SeaLion.org:

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 03:21 PM (QKIQb)

171 Or...there is a single person who is named "Open Blogger," but who has a dozen different personalities and posts depending on which personality is ascendent.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:13 PM (Zu3d9)

Stop staling my schtick...

Posted by: The Pseudonymous Hat at December 21, 2014 03:21 PM (lN8KC)

172 Wow, Ken. Good thing you are on Twttr and not some place where reading all the words is important.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2014 03:22 PM (t//F+)

173 Or...there is a single person who is named "Open Blogger," but who has a dozen different personalities and posts depending on which personality is ascendent.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:13 PM (Zu3d9)

Stop stealing my schtick...

Posted by: The Pseudonymous Hat at December 21, 2014 03:22 PM (lN8KC)

174 I voted for both Bush's, Dole, McCain, and Romney.
Of the ones that won, they did little to advance what they were elected for. In fact, they did more of what the dems wanted than those that elected them.
So if another RINO squish wins, I should do what I have always done? Ummmm, no. Not going to happen.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 21, 2014 03:24 PM (F0Cog)

175 The Establishment Right has declared war on Cruz. And, yes, it is coordinated. And moderately effective so far.
---

Agree.

I like him, but even if this drumbeat wasn't happening, I'm not sure this is his time yet (if ever). I'm ok with him staying in the Senate for now.

But it is very frustrating to watch the party spend so much energy trying to disable a guy who could be very effective for them.

I kind of felt similarly about Allen West. That redistricting thing or whatever it was that led to him losing his seat never felt right to me.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:24 PM (9BRsg)

176 To be honest, I didn't think pulling out a publicly tweeted remark to use as an illustration was going to be seen as some big thing. Maybe I shouldn't have done it.

Oh well.
Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:18 PM (9BRsg)

When Sea Lions Attack! Tonight at 8 (7 Central) on Twitter dot sea oh em.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 21, 2014 03:24 PM (MbqmP)

177 That redistricting thing or whatever it was that led to him losing his seat never felt right to me.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:24 PM (9BRsg)

Was the FL legislature in Republican hands when it was redistricted to bounce West?

Bueller?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:26 PM (Zu3d9)

178 This really wasn't about calling out one person. And I honestly thought, given what they do at Twitchy and other places, quoting a tweet was not a big offense.

'Can't make everyone happy.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:26 PM (9BRsg)

179 Back to the Big Tent argument, I still don't understand why the Repumpkins can't or won't try the Biggest Tent Strategy of All: Teh Economy.

In case nobody's noticed, it's not in the best of shape and most of the metrics are a direct cause of this clown car of an administration and its socialist policies. But it's difficult to find anyone other than Cruz even saying the "g-word," growth.

If I ran the GOPe, I'd be hammering the shitty economy under TFG 24/7/365. It'd be the first thing anyone with an R after their political title would talk about, and the last thing too. And I'd be hammering the correlation between the increasing size of gubmint and the shrinking of the private sector.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 03:26 PM (0HooB)

180
YES

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:26 PM (dFi94)

181 It is those purists who stay home if their TP candidate didn't win; it is those whose views and dogmas seem to wish to make the Republican part a fringe party

Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 21, 2014 02:30 PM (zmZ2x)

Bullshit. I'm a pretty pure conservative and I've faithfully voted for every rino turd that the Republican party has put up since Jerry Ford in 1976. Bush I, Dole, McCain, Romney, all of them.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at December 21, 2014 03:27 PM (aNzsD)

182 I forgot at first to put in in. I went back and fixed it pretty quick.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 03:21 PM (KAmzK)

I wouldn't worry about it; we can tell who the writer is. If it's a What It All Means post on the weekends, it's you; if it's eight thousand paragraphs, each of which is three sentences long, it's Ace; if it *sounds* like Ace, but meaner and with longer paragraphs, it's DrewM.

If it's an ONT that rips on nutcase feminists, it's Maet; if it deals with the miltary, it's CDR M.

If it's legalese, it's Malor; if it's books, it's OregonMuse; and Monty doesn't post much, but when he does...

...It's DOOOOM

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:27 PM (uG374)

183 Was the FL legislature in Republican hands when it was redistricted to bounce West?

Bueller?
---

I *thought* that the FL GOP had some say in the matter, but I really could be wrong about that.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:27 PM (9BRsg)

184
177 That redistricting thing or whatever it was that led to him losing his seat never felt right to me.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:24 PM (9BRsg)

Was the FL legislature in Republican hands when it was redistricted to bounce West?

Bueller?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:26 PM (Zu3d9)


Yes

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2014 03:28 PM (NlPWf)

185 "...quoting a tweet was not a big offense."

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:26 PM (9BRsg)

A tweet is an explicitly public statement. Quoting one is perfectly reasonable under any circumstance.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:29 PM (Zu3d9)

186 Back to the Big Tent argument, I still don't understand why the
Repumpkins can't or won't try the Biggest Tent Strategy of All: Teh
Economy.
---

Yes, I largely agree with this.

Although I get a little nervous when someone gets too enthusiastic about saying that no "social issues" should be broached. It has a little bit of a Rockefeller Republican ring to it that I don't like.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:29 PM (9BRsg)

187 A tweet is an explicitly public statement. Quoting one is perfectly reasonable under any circumstance.

In comes with builtin attribution.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 21, 2014 03:30 PM (rwI+c)

188 Yes

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2014 03:28 PM (NlPWf)

Mustn't let him get too uppity I guess.

He's one of my favorite politicians.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:30 PM (Zu3d9)

189 And, yes, it is coordinated. And moderately effective so far.

ISWYDT.

Seriously, agreed. Team GOP would rather sink the ship than let Cruz onto the bridge. All the talk about "circular firing squads" always boils down to "shut up and vote Romney or you're a Democrat."

The GOP leadership will unite with the Dems to stave off a threat from the the Right every time. We're the ones who want to change politics as usual and they obviously don't. The Tea Party movement will be strangled in its crib if it stays in the GOP. They want it dead and gone and forgotten.

I didn't want to support a third party but the people who run my party of choice no longer want me, so I have to. They made that decision, not me.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 03:30 PM (QKIQb)

190 174
Obama did a preemptive strike on that. 'By any metric the economy is better off'.
We could add the metrics have been 'adjusted' for better paper results, but no one would deny the rich aren't better off with the zero interest the Feds did.

If the economy does fall into serious recession they have shot all their ammo sans lowering taxes.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 21, 2014 03:30 PM (WNERA)

191 But TFG (and associated enablers) claim the economy is booming and unemployment just keeps going down.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2014 03:31 PM (W5DcG)

192 I was somewhat optimistic on the heels of the election, especially because the bench we have for '16 seems strong.

That's really gone by the wayside the past month. Very frustrating.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:31 PM (9BRsg)

193 159
Thin Veneer,

CoC is Chamber of Commerce?



Yes

Kid next door joined the Marines. I just went outside to throw
recyclables in bin saw neighbors grilling. I asked how son is
he's home. He left for training in late September. It's too bad he
has worst CIC in history.

God bless him. Thank him for me.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 03:31 PM (XzRw1)

194 Posted by: Vic: "Open blogger can be any number of people on here, but most put their actual handle in the title. Note that anyone who posts under their real name is taking their legal life in their hands now. Ask Mark Steyn."

I would think Ace is the most proximate example one could imagine, what with the thing with the guy at the place, no?

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at December 21, 2014 03:32 PM (WS+CW)

195 Just checked out Mr. Gardner's twitter profile. He's decided the comments on Ace are a "cesspool" and wants to be reminded to "never,ever leave a comment there again."

Clearly we need a higher class of moron around here!

Cesspool? A horde of scum and villainy maybe but cesspool?

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 21, 2014 03:32 PM (KDLSe)

196 Twitter is useful for fast paced breaking news. It was yesterday when Constanza Defense broke in with police shooting & Fox had nothing. I don't know if Fox had nothing, I had Band of Brothers on demand & paused it to read here.

I didn't stop it until after 6:30 but had stopped paying attention to it.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 03:33 PM (sj3Ax)

197 But TFG (and associated enablers) claim the economy is booming and unemployment just keeps going down.

Yeah, about that http://ace.mu.nu/archives/353881.php

Posted by: toby928(C) predicts at December 21, 2014 03:33 PM (rwI+c)

198 Oh, no! Ken Gardener's being cockblocked on Twitter!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 03:33 PM (AbfZY)

199 Just checked out Mr. Gardner's twitter profile. He's decided the comments on Ace are a "cesspool" and wants to be reminded to "never,ever leave a comment there again."

A precious snowflake that one, bless his heart.

Posted by: toby928(C) predicts at December 21, 2014 03:34 PM (rwI+c)

200 Just checked out Mr. Gardner's twitter profile. He's decided the comments on Ace are a "cesspool" and wants to be reminded to "never,ever leave a comment there again."

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 21, 2014 03:32 PM (KDLSe)

Hey, Gardner! It's a cesspool in here! And you said to remind you not to post comments!

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:34 PM (uG374)

201 Well, I really feel badly about that, weirdflunkyonatablet. That was not my intention.

I don't like the guy, but I didn't think I crossed the line.

Crap.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (9BRsg)

202 Boehner and Co. made it a point to kneecap the incoming GOP freshmen.
As was stated, the GOPe wants corruption as usual and CROMnibus was meant to help continue it.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (F0Cog)

203 195
Just checked out Mr. Gardner's twitter profile. He's decided the
comments on Ace are a "cesspool" and wants to be reminded to "never,ever
leave a comment there again."


So, Mr. Gardner is really Karl Rove?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (XzRw1)

204 "...cesspool?"

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 21, 2014 03:32 PM (KDLSe)

Have you been in the barrel? A cesspool would be an upgrade.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (Zu3d9)

205 Ken's hash looks...dirty.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 21, 2014 03:36 PM (OsWis)

206
I'm in a pool of cess.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:36 PM (dFi94)

207 Although I get a little nervous when someone gets too enthusiastic about saying that no "social issues" should be broached. It has a little bit of a Rockefeller Republican ring to it that I don't like.

IMO, the family falls under the BTS too, since a stable family with a Mom and Dad has a much better financial outlook than any other type. Same for the children.

But that simple observation would be met with howls from leftards.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 03:36 PM (0HooB)

208 Thought experiment: Cruz, Lee, Paul, and a few other GOP Senators drop out of the Republican Party, enough of them to take away the GOP's Senate majority, declare themselves Independents, form an Independent Voting Coalition, not actually declaring themselves a third party but more or less being one.

Same in The House.

Does GOPe make accommodations to secure their votes, or does GOPe settle back into their comfy minority party role.

Posted by: davidt at December 21, 2014 03:37 PM (fBxC6)

209 I don't like the guy, but I didn't think I crossed the line.

Crap.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (9BRsg)

You absolutely did not cross the line, or even come close.

Putting mint jelly on lamb on the other hand.......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:37 PM (Zu3d9)

210 and wants to be reminded to "never,ever leave a comment there again."

I left him a reminder.

Posted by: toby928(C) is nothing if not helpful at December 21, 2014 03:37 PM (rwI+c)

211 Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (9BRsg)

If someone doesn't want his words to be quoted, he shouldn't put them on fucking Twitter.

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:38 PM (uG374)

212 So, Mr. Gardner is really Karl Rove?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (XzRw1)

Gabe

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 21, 2014 03:38 PM (KDLSe)

213 Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (9BRsg)

If someone doesn't want his words to be quoted, he shouldn't put them on fucking Twitter.

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:38 PM (uG374)

214 Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (9BRsg)

Y-not, you didn't do anything out of line. Not even close.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:38 PM (dFi94)

215 This is not related to your thread, Y-not but since it's an open thread I'll go with it anyway. :^) Today at the supermarket I was parked behind a van with a Darwin fish symbol on it. In addition to that were various bumper stickers. So I wentf into the store and came out with post it notes (in addition to the other things I needed to get). When I came out the van was still there So I added things on post it notes:

Who told you to believe that?

I put it under it.,"Nobody. From a non religious household I came to faith in God."

(Since the other side of the van had a sticker about global warming I could say side something about "Who told you to believe that?" but I didn't)

Under the Darwin fish I put "Belief in God is not
contradictory to believe in evolution."

"Will we have destroyed out planet when Jesus returns?" I put ,"People who are likely to destroy our planet are non religious dictators like the Head of North Korea or Radical Muslims not Evangelical Christians."

And underneath it all I put "Happy Holidays to you!"

FenelonSpouse used to be embarrassed by my sometimes doing this sort of them. Now they're so inured to it they say "Stickies at the ready" almost like they say "Wand at the ready" in Harry Potter movies. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 21, 2014 03:38 PM (Dj3AB)

216 "Just checked out Mr. Gardner's twitter profile. He's decided the
comments on Ace are a "cesspool" and wants to be reminded to "never,ever
leave a comment there again."

Imagine what could have been done if we'd used something more than his own words to criticize him? The injustice of it all.

Have we no shame, at long last?

TheRealKenGardner@DontYouKnowWhoIAm

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 03:38 PM (QKIQb)

217 Thin Veneer of Civility,
I thanked him when I heard he'd joined & made sure I was outside on my porch as his parents broughtt him to South Boston to be sworn in.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 03:39 PM (sj3Ax)

218 >>Putting mint jelly on lamb on the other hand.......

Aha! Well fortunately I am a Reasonable Person! I have never put mint jelly on lamb! :-)

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:39 PM (9BRsg)

219 ...Strange. Split double post.

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:39 PM (uG374)

220 Americans should always use their real names when writing. And not resort to some anonymous pseudonym.

Posted by: Publius at December 21, 2014 03:39 PM (NlPWf)

221 Troubles about?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 03:39 PM (BNIaE)

222 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 21, 2014 03:38 PM (Dj3AB)


I admire that. You are a strong woman.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:40 PM (dFi94)

223 212
So, Mr. Gardner is really Karl Rove?



Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 03:35 PM (XzRw1)



Gabe

That makes more sense.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 03:40 PM (XzRw1)

224 Figures today my post would NOT get stomped, when I kind of wish it did.

smdh

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 03:41 PM (9BRsg)

225 Bring back the Senate Dueling Grounds.

This will work itself out.

Posted by: garrett at December 21, 2014 03:41 PM (rwgSb)

226 Apparently your ideas are without merit unless you publicly claim them using your real name.

-
I agree. My real name is Mr. T and I pity you fools.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 03:41 PM (LTh3T)

227 >>Americans should always use their real names when writing.

Agreed!

Posted by: Mark Twain at December 21, 2014 03:41 PM (9BRsg)

228 221 A special snowflake from twitter is butthurt Y-not quoted him.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 21, 2014 03:41 PM (KDLSe)

229 are a "cesspool"

Now I'm really insulted. Worse than calling ISIS the JV.

Posted by: The Barrel at December 21, 2014 03:41 PM (DL2i+)

230 Where have I been? Clausen in for benched Cutler.


Heh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 03:42 PM (BNIaE)

231 Cesspool?
Whiny little sh*t. Butthyrt over being manhandled by logic and mocking.

Well, his Communications degree set him up for failure, but I am sure that when he gets to be a community organizer based on his internet blogging experience he can shield himself from criticism of stupidity and incompetence from his supervisors by using his mad language skills.

If you wander into a salon and insult the main speaker and then stomp around claiming injury, expect to be savaged.
Especially if it is the sort of place where half the readers pick their intellectual teeth with a knife.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2014 03:42 PM (t//F+)

232 OK strategeristas, it's time for a beer run.

BBL...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 03:43 PM (0HooB)

233
Ok Packers win. Now Detroit needs to lose to the Bears. Unfortunately the Bears are not cooperating.


I'll shut up now.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:43 PM (dFi94)

234 This will work itself out.
Posted by: garrett at December 21, 2014 03:41 PM (rwgSb)

"Welcome to Washington, Senator. I'm here to issue your welcome kit.

"Here's your mouth guard... Your tape... Six-ounce gloves.... And cup. That last one is important. Good luck in the Senate!"

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:43 PM (uG374)

235 pick their intellectual teeth with a knife.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2014 03:42 PM (t//F+)

I prefer a chainsaw.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 21, 2014 03:44 PM (KDLSe)

236 194 I would think Ace is the most proximate example one could imagine, what with the thing with the guy at the place, no?



Posted by: Daisy Cutter at December 21, 2014 03:32 PM (WS+CW)

The Steyn thing is more in the news and I didn't want to drag Ace into this.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 03:44 PM (u9gzs)

237 If you wander into a salon and insult the main speaker and then stomp around claiming injury, expect to be savaged.
Especially if it is the sort of place where half the readers pick their intellectual teeth with a knife.
--------

Heh... I love this place...

Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 03:44 PM (xrURQ)

238 The Ken doll has no dick.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 03:45 PM (MQEz6)

239 The Ken doll has no dick.

----------------

THATS what can be done using something other than his own words.
Care to try for the bonus abuse round, Ken ?

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 03:46 PM (QKIQb)

240 I admire that. You are a strong woman.

Well maybe. I just may like to get the last word in ;^) And if some large angry Atheist man who s stronger than I am had tried to punch me in the nose they probably would have won. There used to be a leftist guy on another site who said about the sticky note effort, You're defacing a car. If you had done that to my car, I would have you arrested." I hardly think a post it note is defacing a car but some people are a little over sensitive. It's not as if I put anything rude.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 21, 2014 03:47 PM (Dj3AB)

241 Where have I been? Clausen in for benched Cutler.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 03:42 PM (BNIaE)

Mister Clausen
Cutler's out of his head
Mister Clausen
And your season is dead

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:47 PM (uG374)

242 Cesspool?! I specifically said I wanted a cessPIT! Servants will be flogged for this!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 21, 2014 03:48 PM (F0Cog)

243 Chamber of Commerce is horrible, they are behind amnesty.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 03:48 PM (sj3Ax)

244 242 Cesspool?! I specifically said I wanted a cessPIT! Servants will be flogged for this!
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 21, 2014 03:48 PM (F0Cog)

The Cesspit is reserved for Platinum Members only.

Please enjoy your complimentary pictures of bacon.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 03:49 PM (MQEz6)

245 Clausen may be an upgrade...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 03:50 PM (BNIaE)

246 The pictures of bacon- insult to injury.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 21, 2014 03:51 PM (F0Cog)

247 Oh, and O/T: I heard the other day that Mary Landrieu plans on running for Governor of Louisiana in '16.

Nightmare on Bourbon Street II

Posted by: Secundus at December 21, 2014 03:51 PM (uG374)

248 But back to the Big Tent: I like big tent ideas, votes count and being exclusive has never worked.
However, I would ask that the tent be embiggened for the people who are the base of the Republican party instead of extending it to embrace all the Democrats instead.

I am afraid that the GOPe have no actual principals left and operate only on "whatever gets me re-elected". This did not work well for the Whigs, if you recall.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2014 03:51 PM (t//F+)

249 245 Clausen may be an upgrade...
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 03:50 PM (BNIaE)


If he had anyone that could catch.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:52 PM (dFi94)

250 But, Bears receivers can't catch a cold if they had to.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 03:52 PM (BNIaE)

251 Cruz rubs people the wrong way. He has a certain quality that just exudes "jerk."

However, sometimes we need jerks.

Also, people angry at Cruz are stupid. Because they should be angry at Boehner for giving Harry Reid a say in 2015 spending.

Posted by: sexypig at December 21, 2014 03:53 PM (dZQh7)

252 defacing a car

Put the sticker on the decal. It's doubtful a sticky could hurt the clearcoat/colorcoat but why take a chance.

Posted by: DaveA at December 21, 2014 03:53 PM (DL2i+)

253 we all know the nefarious acts of open blogger.
have you read his book?

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 03:54 PM (nqBYe)

254 Also, people angry at Cruz are stupid. Because they should be angry at Boehner for giving Harry Reid a say in 2015 spending.

Posted by: sexypig at December 21, 2014 03:53 PM (dZQh7)

Bingo.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 03:54 PM (Zu3d9)

255 Hello again, grammie. Eh, football.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 03:55 PM (BNIaE)

256 food thread

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 03:55 PM (u9gzs)

257 Republicans need to a) realize who the enemy really is, and b) stop being so naive about the enemy. I find the so-called "moderate" Republicans to be very naive about the tactics, ideology, and true intentions of the radical left. The radical left wants to destroy this country. They want to take everything that you have and give it to the state. The radical left will kill those that disagree with them if given the power to do so. The radical left wants to set up a totalitarian state. How do we know? Because history has shown us time and time again that this is what the ideology of the socialist-communist leads to: gulags, show trials, executions, nationalization of businesses, authoritarian rule, and the confiscation of property. There is a significant percentage of the Republican party that doesn't quite believe this. They are naive, beat up by the media, and they think that if they compromise, kowtow, and let the left have their way that everything will be fine. Well, it's not fine, and look what the president is doing? None of this is fine, and sorry, but it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with trying to inflict a socialist-communist agenda upon the American people. The left doesn't divide it's forces. Instead, they keep it together for elections, and they support people. We need to take that lesson if we are to marginalize the spread of the radical leftist lies before it's too late. It may already be too late, but we have to try.

Posted by: Mistress Not Done yet at December 21, 2014 03:55 PM (2/oBD)

258 and the bears end it with an interception
go figure

Posted by: navycopjoe needs to cut a cop hater at December 21, 2014 03:56 PM (/2Qtx)

259
Hello Ricardo. At least my Packers won. Too bad Detroit seems to be doing the same.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:56 PM (dFi94)

260 Mistress we do not even have to go back in history to know .
We had articles in the last year asking for climate deniers to be jailed.

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 03:57 PM (nqBYe)

261
Sorry, ncj. Clausen showed some promise though, eh?

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 03:57 PM (dFi94)

262 The wannabe tories in our own party ARE the enemy.

They must be crushed first, before we can crush the marxists. Conservatives can make some common cause with small-L libertarians, but with RINOs, never.

RINOs are more dangerous in the short term than the marxists.

Posted by: Kristophr at December 21, 2014 03:59 PM (6ROe1)

263 THE KEN DOLL HAS NO DICK !

Posted by: AS at December 21, 2014 04:00 PM (XzRw1)

264 261 nah, better draft pick
hopefully the safety from Alabama

it show what happens when you use forte and bump off the line

the coaching staff played for their jobs today

Posted by: navycopjoe needs to cut a cop hater at December 21, 2014 04:00 PM (/2Qtx)

265 LOL. I'm not a "rocket surgeon" like some here, but does today's "Open Blogger" really think the purpose of Cruz's point of order stunt (which he blindsided his colleagues with) was to reduce spending because a $ trillion was too much? Sure that would have been the result should it have passed (ZERO chance this was going to happen, just like Defundit), but that was in no way the purpose - which was all about his stand up and fight fight fight position on 'The Constitution" and "amnesty".

Posted by: danishova at December 21, 2014 04:01 PM (twzzy)

266 which was all about his stand up and fight fight fight position on 'The Constitution" and "amnesty".

Either or works for me.

Posted by: toby928(C) is nothing if not helpful at December 21, 2014 04:03 PM (rwI+c)

267 Grammie Winger,
How are you feeling?

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 04:03 PM (sj3Ax)

268 Posted by: danishova at December 21, 2014 04:01 PM (twzzy)

I agree, plus I'm glad that you use your real name, unlike those cessy punks like "Open Blogger".

Posted by: Ken "What I Say In Public Is None Of Your Business" Gardener at December 21, 2014 04:04 PM (MbqmP)

269 WIllow

You are right, yet the "moderate" Republicans just don't quite believe it. They laugh, and say, "Oh, well, that guy is just a bit of a nut," or, "ha ha, that will never happen. He didn't realllyyyyyy mean it." That's BS. They did mean it, and they do. They mean it. Believe them.

Posted by: Mistress Not Done yet at December 21, 2014 04:05 PM (2/oBD)

270 Cruz rubs people the wrong way. He has a certain quality that just exudes "jerk."

However, sometimes we need jerks.

-
I'm reminded of the dicks, pussies and assholes speech from Team America.

Dicks: Cruz, Lee etc.

Pussies: Boehner, McCain and other RINOs.

Assholes: Dems, liberals, progressives and other commies.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 04:05 PM (lB/Cb)

271 What's a rocket surgeon? :^)

I think anyone has a right to get up and talk endlessly anytime they want to-that would include people like Wendy Davis whose POV I don't believe it or Ted Cruz-but NO politician is my Savior.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 21, 2014 04:06 PM (Dj3AB)

272 Secondus,
Poor Louisiana but I think she'll lose.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 04:09 PM (sj3Ax)

273 I was going to say the gope has actually had lobbyist and PAC financed workshops on destroying the tea party base but ever since Ken left I've felt like this place has turned into a cesspool.

Posted by: New phone at December 21, 2014 04:09 PM (YjebT)

274 You RINOs want to prove Cruz is stupid? Easy peasy. Just start getting some positive results.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 04:10 PM (AftwJ)

275 Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval up to 47%


Meteor/Earth 2016

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 04:15 PM (XzRw1)

276 New phone,
Go follow Ken on Twitter!

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 04:16 PM (sj3Ax)

277 "Reasonable people getting along? Listened to Rush lately? And his ilk and minions?"

To whom are you a minion?

"If one is not properly baptized a "true conservative," or worse yet may lean to being a "moderate? then one might as well be a Trotskyite."

Can't recall any of you being murdered by a mole. All we're talking about is denying you the authority to represent US in a democratic republic.

"It is those purists"

It's telling you regard "purity" as a smear. You consider yourself impure? I like AmishDude's test. Do you lie?

"who stay home if their TP candidate didn't win;"

We have this neurosis about electing people who do the wrong thing. We're against it.

"it is those whose views and dogmas seem to wish to make the Republican part a fringe party"

You guys already are, considering you can command about half of a third of eligible voters.

Ever read Xenophon's Anabaxis? Bunch of Greeks, sitting on their butts in the dirt, arguing about what they ought to do, and voting on the people who will lead them to do it. And the point of that system is, if you expect a man to do anything for you, like walk out of Iran to Armenia, or pay tax, or turn down bribes from Persians, then that man is capable of understanding why he should take on task as a free choice. And leadership, social power, political power in the larger sense, should belong to people who can persuade others that what they are doing is right.

Republicans don't believe in that anymore. They scream when called on to do it.

They want to have the power, but they want it to be a default option from a rigged system. They openly deny there is any way to "sell" their program, so they lie. They play games with deadlines and semantics. They live for secret deals approved blindly.

And anybody who actually tries to persuade people that the agenda is actually good, is a rebel, a traitor, and a fool to be isolated and destroyed.

Right-wingers denounce policy, and Republicans denounce people. ( I won't use "conservative" anymore, it is too vague.)

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 21, 2014 04:16 PM (8rRE+)

278 Have a tissue, Francis.

It is the very height of hypocrisy to whine like little children whose candy falls in the dirt when your favorite is criticized, but remain silent while our party leaders and nominees are called every name in the book.

Sorry, losers, you started this name-calling crap. We haven't yet begun to do that yet, just pointed out futile moves. For instance, we could look back in history for guys who are inspiring speakers whose followers gang up on anyone who criticizes him. Wonder where that would lead?

Want 'civil discourse' within the Party? Fine with us. Start practicing yourselves for once, we will happily bury the hatchet.

I doubt you can do that for two minutes though.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 21, 2014 04:18 PM (QIQ6j)

279 Chris Blksz,
I think everyone has moved on to Food Thread.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 04:19 PM (sj3Ax)

280 Sorry, losers, you started this name-calling crap.

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Pussy working on asshole.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 04:22 PM (LImiJ)

281
Posted by: Adjoran at December 21, 2014 04:18 PM (QIQ6j)

Troll.

Posted by: buzzion at December 21, 2014 04:22 PM (zt+N6)

282 I use my real name just like "Moxie Mom".

Posted by: danishova at December 21, 2014 04:23 PM (twzzy)

283 Chris Balsz,
Sorry about mistyping your name!

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2014 04:25 PM (sj3Ax)

284 Where'd everyone go...I just thought of something pithy to say?

Figures....

They better be talking about Buffolo wings over on the food thread or else I'm going to chirp up a storm over on Tweeter!

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at December 21, 2014 04:47 PM (WS+CW)

285 Dropped off a while back. Busy in the kitchen making syrup that I give away as Christmas presents. House smells wonderful right now.

As to the topic at hand, who do we string up first. I've got a new rope that needs some breaking in.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 21, 2014 04:49 PM (r2vMO)

286 So this is the cesspool thread?

Posted by: Dickless Ken Doll at December 21, 2014 05:09 PM (lG2E3)

287 Polarization is fun when it is one sided and the other side says lets compromise. Not so much fun when the other side joins in the polarization and says ok tit for tat or don't shoot black children or we shoot back!

Posted by: captain*arizona at December 21, 2014 05:23 PM (sNzsZ)

288 Is that English?

Posted by: toby928(C) is nothing if not helpful at December 21, 2014 05:26 PM (rwI+c)

289 What a wuss post. This is the post written by someone not confident on their positions.

Can reasonable people disagree? Sure, on garbage like is the new AC/DC album good or what the best show on TV is. On the BIG things, the fundamental things, no, actually reasonable people cannot disagree. One side is objectively right (mine) and the rest.....well you figure it out

Posted by: SlapNutz at December 21, 2014 05:26 PM (mctSY)

290 I think fighting to keep from bankrupting the country is a worthy fight. I also think amnesty is worth fighting over as well.

Posted by: Mistress Not Done yet at December 21, 2014 05:37 PM (2/oBD)

291 I am still suspicious of Cruz's motives.

Sad to say that I've been conditioned to this attitude by others pretending to be conservative and seeming to fight for the actions needed but turn out to only be concerned about their career and flip like a nickel when it suits them.

His consistency over time has been impressive but unfortunately his results have been limited. I do enjoy his hoisting the Turdle on his own petard and others rhinoceri of the Senate.

Let's see what happens with the new Senate majority.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 06:21 PM (RZzX3)

292 I'd much rather vote the son of a bitches out. And I'm not going to stop trying. They're for big government in a very big way, it is their raison d'être, and I'm not. Big government is not even my raisin de tree.

Posted by: bour3 at December 21, 2014 06:49 PM (5x3+2)

293 Reasonable people CAN disagree. Leftists are not reasonable, and might not even be actual people. That's the issue. All they do is project their deep, numerous faults on their opponents.

Posted by: acethepug at December 21, 2014 07:05 PM (37xk6)

294 "... what they want to believe and disregard the rest." If Cruz makes it happen then all the naysayers will be telling everyone they supported Cruz from the start. Both new and old testament rail against such hypocrisy. Watch the Johnny Carson interview of Ronald Reagan. The naysayers didn't think he had a chance at that point. Reagan was a humble man and God rewarded us with his presidency.

Posted by: Huggy at December 21, 2014 07:22 PM (PGh+Q)

295 My opinion is that Cruz and Palin are the only two that haven't compromised themselves with the base. Rubio and Bush have doomed themselves with amnesty. Christie by kissing Obama. Walker is an unknown. Romney is too tied to Obamacare. My bet is that someone we aren't even considering will pop out.

Posted by: Huggy at December 21, 2014 07:30 PM (PGh+Q)

296 His consistency over time has been impressive but unfortunately his
results have been limited. I do enjoy his hoisting the Turdle on his own
petard and others rhinoceri of the Senate.

Let's see what happens with the new Senate majority.

---

I agree with the gist of your comment. I, too, am really gun-shy at this point. Rubio's betrayal stung and shook my confidence, frankly.

I would say that Cruz did just get a bill passed last week over the Fort Hood shootings that makes the victims eligible for Purple Hearts, iirc, and I think opens up some additional benefits to them/their families.

I guess we'll know soon enough if McConnell and Boehner are going to oppose the Democrats or not. I'm not super-hopeful.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 07:30 PM (9BRsg)

297
Recent events have led me to a troubling realization about the state of the GOP (to which I have belonged since 1980 and to which I still belong, but perhaps not for long)

I predict 5 years or less. I was a registered Republican when I lived in Texas 25+ years ago. When I moved to Florida, I registered NPA - no party affliation. Never looked back.

Only downside is that I can't participate in the primary votes, but oh well.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at December 21, 2014 09:09 PM (VvOZ5)

298 I vote Republican.

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