Gruber Lawyers Up Regarding How Much Money He Made From Governments Advising on ObamaCare

He repeatedly refuses to simply state how much he's made off advising on Obamcare, and repeatedly says he'll discuss it with his lawyer.

Speaking of lawyering up, his statement to the committee stinks of legal polish. He now claims that he was lying when he previously said he was lying and he's very, very sowwy for his "inappropriate" remarks.

I would like to begin by apologizing sincerely for the offending comments that I made. In some cases I made uninformed and glib comments about the political process behind health care reform. I am not an expert on politics and my tone implied that I was, which is wrong. In other cases I simply made insulting and mean comments that are totally uncalled for in any situation. I sincerely apologize both for conjecturing with a tone of expertise and for doing so in such a disparaging fashion. It is never appropriate to try to make oneself seem more important or smarter by demeaning others. I know better. I knew better. I am embarrassed, and I am sorry.

In addition to apologizing for my unacceptable remarks, I would like to clarify
some misconceptions about the content and context of my comments. Let me be very clear: I do not think that the Affordable Care Act was passed in a non-transparent fashion. The issues I raised in my comments, such as redistribution of risk through insurance market reform and the structure of the Cadillac tax, were roundly debated throughout 2009 and early 2010 before the law was passed. Reasonable people can disagree about the merits of these policies, but it is completely clear that these issues were debated thoroughly during the drafting and passage of the ACA.
I also would like to clarify some misperceptions about my January 2012 remarks
concerning the availability of tax credits in states that did not set up their own health
insurance exchanges. The portion of these remarks that has received so much attention lately omits a critical component of the context in which I was speaking. The point I believe I was making was about the possibility that the federal government, for whatever reason, might not create a federal exchange. If that were to occur, and only in that context, then the only way that states could guarantee that their citizens would receive tax credits would be to set up their own exchanges. I have a long-standing and well-documented belief that health care reform legislation in general, and the ACA in particular, must include mechanisms for
residents in all states to obtain tax credits....
I behaved badly, and I will have to live with that, but my own inexcusable arrogance is not a flaw in the Affordable Care Act....

One Democrat I saw seemingly chided Gruber for not being excessively burdened by truthfulness, or words to that effect. That may be taken as the Dems "ripping" Gruber, but the Democrat I saw went on to claim that this was a moment for "redemption."

See, what they're claiming is that Gruber lied previously when he lied about lying. So they're castigating him for that alleged lie (about lying about Obamacare), but are saying he's "redeeming" himself by now saying he was lying before and is now telling the truth when he says Obamacare Is Awesome.

So don't believe these media accounts of Democrats "ripping" Gruber. They are tactically pretending to believe Gruber's new lies, in order to defend Obamacare.

Posted by: Ace at 12:24 PM

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1 Oneth again?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 12:25 PM (0HooB)

2
**FIRST**

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2014 12:26 PM (wFSLW)

3 I'll go call the Corgis.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 12:26 PM (0HooB)

4
nope

**dirt kick**

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2014 12:26 PM (wFSLW)

5 Too bad the left (media of course included) decided to release the "torture" report today.

Nice bit of deflection there.

Posted by: seems legit at December 09, 2014 12:26 PM (A98Xu)

6 Ben Shapiro @benshapiro
Race riots, anti-capitalism attacks, and attempts to slander the folks who keep is safe. Welcome back to 1969, Dems.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif)

7 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 12:27 PM (M1uf/)

8 Kirk, "Gruber Harry Mudd always lies."

Harry Mudd, "Gruber I'm lying."

Gruber, "does not compute!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2014 12:27 PM (ANSCY)

9 Gruber, rope, tree. Some assembly required.

Posted by: Mac at December 09, 2014 12:28 PM (NbXjh)

10 Gowdy pretty much tore Gruber a new asshole.

It was a thing of beauty.

However, I was gonna ragestroke if I watched too much more of that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 12:29 PM (0HooB)

11 Dems gave it to NYT early so they can have the spin moments after release.

FoxNews has to actually read it now.

Bret Baier @BretBaier
several news organizations had the report early -- embargoed.. to write up stories in the first few minutes
http://t.co/B4WSV21yLO

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:30 PM (ZPrif)

12 This thread BEGS for the NYT pic of Gruber with a parrot on his shoulder, and the caption, "I think I'm going to kill myself."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:30 PM (FsuaD)

13 I was going to ask if he declared it all on his taxes and then I realized what a stupid question that is, since the IRS is in on the scams.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 09, 2014 12:30 PM (ZKzrr)

14 Does this mean a gruber is a type of weasel?

Posted by: huerfano at December 09, 2014 12:30 PM (bAGA/)

15 The political winds, they are a changin'. Interesting how people act and talk when they think they'll be in power forever.

Posted by: Mega at December 09, 2014 12:31 PM (hHFOx)

16 Rest of the Horde to arrive in 3...2...1:

http://goo.gl/d2hM7p

Posted by: physics geek at December 09, 2014 12:31 PM (MT22W)

17 A weasel is a type of Gruber.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 09, 2014 12:31 PM (uSAVP)

18
Does this mean a gruber is a type of weasel?

Posted by: huerfano at December 09, 2014 12:30 PM (bAGA/)

Dood. NOT cool.

Posted by: A filthy weasel at December 09, 2014 12:31 PM (TIIx5)

19 14
Does this mean a gruber is a type of weasel?

That's an insult to weasels.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:32 PM (FsuaD)

20 It has been satisfying to read some of the quotes of Pubbies ripping Gruber a fresh new asshole. He's going to need it, too, since I'm pretty sure his interrogation by Gowdy must have had him shitting himself way too much for one asshole to handle.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 12:32 PM (4df7R)

21 Sucks they have to do this as their own government tries to destroy them.

Ari Fleischer @AriFleischer 54m
CIA officers who worked there at the time have set up a webpage w their side of the story. http://www.ciasavedlives.com

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

22 It's time to thank the democrats for keeping this piece of shit John McCain from becoming President.

Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2014 12:32 PM (vwlGK)

23 Wonder if Hero Builders will release a Gruber inaction figture?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2014 12:32 PM (ANSCY)

24 Tom Nichols @TheWarRoom_Tom
.@hannahgais @mletterle @HalpernAlex All kidding aside, we didn't declassify Truman docs and some of the Hiroshima stuff for 50 years.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:33 PM (ZPrif)

25 Massie hit Gruber pretty hard on ethics. I liked it.

Posted by: no good deed at December 09, 2014 12:33 PM (w3a0Z)

26 Tavenner must be a weasel subspecies.

Posted by: no good deed at December 09, 2014 12:33 PM (w3a0Z)

27 Massie hit Gruber pretty hard on ethics. I liked it.

Has anyone asked Him His connection to obama?

Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at December 09, 2014 12:34 PM (Bn6aD)

28 It's time to thank the democrats for keeping this piece of shit John McCain from becoming President.

Too bad we can't trade him back to the VC.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2014 12:34 PM (zF6Iw)

29 Damn. I thought we had finally got one lefty willing to openly say what he truly believes to be true. Guess not; he's "sorry" he "lied" and "misled" and "spoke-o".

What an ass.

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2014 12:34 PM (6um35)

30 I do not think that the Affordable Care Act was passed in a non-transparent fashion.

Jesus H. Tap Dancin' Christ............

*head---------->desk*

*head---------->desk*

*head---------->desk*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at December 09, 2014 12:34 PM (UtwNa)

31 Sigh. I didn't make a dime.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at December 09, 2014 12:35 PM (Dwehj)

32 So don't believe these media accounts of Democrats "ripping" Gruber. They are tactically pretending to believe Gruber's new lies, in order to defend Obamacare.

As AtC points out, it's all bukkake theater.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2014 12:35 PM (zF6Iw)

33 Has anyone asked Him His connection to obama?

Yes. He's said he was in the oval office with Obama once along with six other policy experts and several other admin officials.

Posted by: no good deed at December 09, 2014 12:35 PM (w3a0Z)

34 Link to NYT article with Gruber/parrot picture. And the parrot's name is Phoebe.

http://tinyurl.com/l8k6rwk

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:35 PM (FsuaD)

35 As a lifelong Republican, I support these bi-partisan hearings. But I do not think Mr. Gowdy should've been so rude to an Ivy-League scholar who participated in a bill offering healthcare solutions for folks in need.

I think Mr. Gowdy's posturing for the TV cameras did my Republican party a disservice.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at December 09, 2014 12:36 PM (Ks4nX)

36 Wait, when did lying become a bad thing?

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 09, 2014 12:36 PM (78TbK)

37 Mike Gonzalez @Gundisalvus
RT @marykissel: BREAKING: 6 former CIA chiefs say Senate investigators never spoke with them before releasing report
http://t.co/DwjgsXsI0P

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:36 PM (ZPrif)

38 How does Gowdy's hair look?

Posted by: alexthechick at December 09, 2014 12:37 PM (3wqR+)

39
IT'S ALL BUKKAKE THEATER???

Posted by: Al Sharpton at December 09, 2014 12:37 PM (2Ayux)

40 38
How does Gowdy's hair look?

Deadly. And he's growing facial hair.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:37 PM (FsuaD)

41 So:

It's none of our business how much we paid him.

He was telling the truth when he said he thought we're all stupid.

Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (tTer3)

42 Don't worry, the GOP will fix ObamaCare next year.

Posted by: eman at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (MQEz6)

43 Can't wait until MFM investigates Gruber... by interviewing Romney.

Posted by: @votermom at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (+fVye)

44 How does Gowdy's hair look?

Perfect.

Posted by: Warren Zevon at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (w3a0Z)

45 What a sad day for our country. These weasels actually got elected?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (0FSuD)

46 6 former CIA chiefs say Senate investigators never spoke with them before releasing report
___
Wait you think we wanted to get at the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. Well, you probably could actually, but how on earth would the truth help us?

Posted by: Senate Democrats at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (78TbK)

47 So America, how does my ass taste?

Here, have some special sauce with that...

Posted by: Gruber, One Of Your Betters at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (SFpiC)

48
The bukkake in this restaurant is TERRIBLE!

Posted by: Emily Latella at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (TIIx5)

49 Love Gowdy, but that haircut is distracting.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (8grkz)

50 "when I said that I lie constantly? yeah, that was a lie too."

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at December 09, 2014 12:39 PM (/EkKm)

51 Jesus, what a dirtbag.

Posted by: maddogg at December 09, 2014 12:39 PM (xWW96)

52 How does Gowdy's hair look?

Very "Honey Badgerish" IMHO.

He also has a small goatee.

Shall I prepare the Royal Extension Cord of Delight, my Queen?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 12:39 PM (0HooB)

53 This Gruber chap needs to be introduced to a blanket party.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:40 PM (FsuaD)

54 Wow. There's good money in Oklahoma abortions.

LifeNews.com @LifeNewsHQ
BREAKING: Abortionist Arrested: Accused of Raping His Patients, Dumping Aborted Babies Bodies bit.ly/1sfy3Aj pic.twitter.com/qYLsysaAKU

Patel is an abortionist with a long and particularly horrific history of Medical Board disciplinary actions, malpractice claims, and criminal cases. Nevertheless, financial documents found amid the medical records and waste indicate that Patel owns $39.4 million in real estate. His personal income exceeds $1.4 million annually.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

55 He was telling the truth when he said he thought we're all stupid.
***
Well, the electorate did elect, and re-elect President Precedent.

Of course if you want to pick on just the 52%, "our side" nominated Juan McVain and Mittens Romneycare as his opponents, so there is plenty of idiocy to go around...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2014 12:40 PM (78TbK)

56 What a sad day for our country. These weasels actually got ~~elected?~~ bought.

==================

FIFY

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2014 12:40 PM (6um35)

57 I have been making an association without realizing it--

There was a character in the old McHale's Navy TV series named Lester Gruber. He was the resident scheming con artist.

Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (tTer3)

58 So he admitted to lying to Congress. That is a felony, 5 years and $5K.

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (u9gzs)

59 Patel is an abortionist with a long and particularly
horrific history of Medical Board disciplinary actions, malpractice
claims, and criminal cases. Nevertheless, financial documents found amid
the medical records and waste indicate that Patel owns $39.4 million in
real estate. His personal income exceeds $1.4 million annually.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

All his millions will come in handy in Hell. Not.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (FsuaD)

60 @36 Wait, when did lying become a bad thing?
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It is? Since when?

Posted by: Bill Clinton at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (UWFpX)

61 Abortionist Arrested: Accused of Raping His Patients, Dumping Aborted Babies Bodies
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It wasn't rape-rape.

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (78TbK)

62 How does Gowdy's hair look?

Never mind that! Let's have a highball!

Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (Dwehj)

63 What a sad day for our country. These weasels actually got elected?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 09, 2014 12:38 PM (0FSuD)

For a given value of "elected," yes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (4df7R)

64 I can't wait until Trey Gowdy is sworn in as Attorney General in 771 days

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (2Ayux)

65 Nothing is going to happen to these fuckmonkeys.

The Federal Empire is well pleased with them.

Get back to work, serfs.

Posted by: eman at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (MQEz6)

66 The Washington circus.

Meanwhile, Obamacare continues, unabated.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2014 12:42 PM (TOk1P)

67 @54 Wow. There's good money in Oklahoma abortions.

LifeNews.com @LifeNewsHQ
BREAKING: Abortionist Arrested: Accused of Raping His Patients, Dumping Aborted Babies Bodies bit.ly/1sfy3Aj pic.twitter.com/qYLsysaAKU

Patel is an abortionist with a long and particularly horrific history of Medical Board disciplinary actions, malpractice claims, and criminal cases. Nevertheless, financial documents found amid the medical records and waste indicate that Patel owns $39.4 million in real estate. His personal income exceeds $1.4 million annually.
--------------------

Local crime story. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: junior at December 09, 2014 12:42 PM (UWFpX)

68 64
I can't wait until Trey Gowdy is sworn in as Attorney General in 771 days

I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:42 PM (FsuaD)

69 Rush blasting DiFi and her bullshit session.

Luv it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 12:42 PM (0HooB)

70 * (shit, I really should have dyed my hair blonde ... ) *

Posted by: Herr Professor Gruber at December 09, 2014 12:42 PM (dxTxt)

71 What a prick.

His behavior shows his opening statement regarding his contrition to be completely false. He still holds this country and Congress in contempt.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2014 12:43 PM (4+IgA)

72 I gotta say the Republicans on the committee are doing a good job today. Not that it will ever get reported.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2014 12:43 PM (g1DWB)

73 I'd love it if Gruber were interrogated by the CIA folks Feinstein demanded, encouraged and now has betrayed. And I don't really care if the methods are effective.

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2014 12:43 PM (6um35)

74 Are you really sorry?
How about you give the tax payers a refund on service not so honestly rendered then. Maybe something in the neighborhood of all of it.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 12:43 PM (ABcz/)

75 So I shouldn't believe Elijah Cummings?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 09, 2014 12:43 PM (W5DcG)

76 Gruber - "I think the ACA was highly transparent"

Shit weasel indeed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 12:44 PM (/GgDU)

77 some of the more erudite among you may be familiar with that cinematic masterpiece The Spaongebob Squarepants Movie. It features a song Goofy Goober Rock. Now we're getting the updated version, the Goofy Gruber Rock.

I'm a goofy Gruber
(Rock)
You're a goofy Gruber
(Rock)

We're all goofy Grubers
(Rock)
Goofy, goofy, goofy, goofy Gruber
(Rock)

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 12:44 PM (XUKZU)

78 I love Gruber's claims that he's merely "guessing" at a process.

No, he's an economist he understands incentives, so he understands why the law was crafted as it was.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 (short) weeks! at December 09, 2014 12:44 PM (HDwDg)

79 Just to mix stories on a shitty day, too bad the CIA doesn't take Gruber up in a Huey to ask him to finally tell the Truth-Truth about Obamacare.

Ohhh, was that mean?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2014 12:44 PM (yQmi4)

80 LifeNews played a little tricksy with that headline. He's being arrested for financial crimes. He's previously been accused of raping patients -- but I guess that never went anywhere since he was still an abortion doc. He's not being arrested for rape, though.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)

81 Patel is an abortionist with a long and particularly

horrific history of Medical Board disciplinary actions, malpractice

claims, and criminal cases. Nevertheless, financial documents found amid

the medical records and waste indicate that Patel owns $39.4 million in

real estate. His personal income exceeds $1.4 million annually.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

All his millions will come in handy in Hell. Not.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:41 PM (FsuaD)

I would enjoy turning some of his real estate into one or more graveyards for the babies he and other abortion ghouls have butchered over the years.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 12:44 PM (4df7R)

82 So I shouldn't believe Elijah Cummings?

Well, you can believe him, but if he makes a move towards your mouth, you may want to reconsider.

Posted by: no good deed at December 09, 2014 12:44 PM (w3a0Z)

83 Bentivolio accuses Gruber of 'defrauding the American people'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 12:45 PM (/GgDU)

84 "I think the ACA was highly transparent"
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Just like lead.

Posted by: "Hans" Gruber at December 09, 2014 12:45 PM (78TbK)

85
I'd love it if Gruber were interrogated by the CIA folks Feinstein demanded, encouraged and now has betrayed. And I don't really care if the methods are effective.

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2014 12:43 PM (6um35)

You can get buckets, a towel, pliers and a simple blowtorch from Home Depot for about $30. I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2014 12:45 PM (TIIx5)

86 He did not prepare (apparently) and is wasting their time. Issa should dismiss Gruber like the errant student he is and tell him to get his shit together. Then recall him.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 12:45 PM (9BRsg)

87 Shut the Government DOWN NOW

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2014 12:45 PM (Zmw74)

88
So, Mr. Gruber, were you lying then or are you lying now?

I actually asked a witness that once.

Posted by: the other coyote at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (yK44T)

89 but I guess that never went anywhere since he was still an abortion doc. He's not being arrested for rape, though.
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Since when do people go to jail for rape?

Posted by: Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, etc at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (78TbK)

90 John Schindler @20committee
Between #Snowden & release of SSCI report 2day, I question sanity of any foreign intel agency willing to partner w/IC. Good luck, u need it!

John Schindler @20committee
Democrats on SSCI just threw not just IC but decades of intel partnerships under the bus. You helped CIA under Bush? Hey, f*ck you, pal!

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (ZPrif)

91 LifeNews.com @LifeNewsHQ BREAKING: Abortionist Arrested: Accused of Raping His Patients, Dumping Aborted Babies Bodies bit.ly/1sfy3Aj pic.twitter.com/qYLsysaAKU

Is he married?

Posted by: Abortion Barbie needs a new gig at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (Spluw)

92 I wonder what the pucker factor of Gruber's ass is right now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (FsuaD)

93 Then recall him.

Subpeona. Don't dance around.

Posted by: no good deed at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (w3a0Z)

94 Wait, I'm getting confused. Can we keep the lefty rape and lefty abortion stories away from the lefty treason and the lefty crony capitalism and lefty hates democracy stories? Its all so overwhelming.

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (6um35)

95 Gruber: "I know better."

That could stand as the motto of whole elitist cohort that this jackwagon belongs to. It's probably the only true thing Gruber said in his testimony.

Posted by: Meriadoc at December 09, 2014 12:47 PM (0lkD2)

96 Not sure if the link will work - SuberObamacare Man (Gruber) in his own words: http://preview.tinyurl.com/lm8chd9

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 12:47 PM (ABcz/)

97 Were you lying then or are you lying now?

Or maybe both?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2014 12:47 PM (LA7Cm)

98 I'm parched.

Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at December 09, 2014 12:47 PM (Dwehj)

99 He did not prepare (apparently) and is wasting their time. Issa should dismiss Gruber like the errant student he is and tell him to get his shit together. Then recall him.

It's a not-so-subtle trick.

Gruber needs to be waterboarded.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 12:47 PM (0HooB)

100 @93
Yes.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 12:47 PM (9BRsg)

101 54- Was he one of the one the pro-abortion side held up as an example of brave people doing late term abortions after Tiller got aborted?

Just curious for the extra schadefreude.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at December 09, 2014 12:47 PM (wrS2o)

102 Gruber needs to be waterboarded.

By Trey Gowdy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:48 PM (FsuaD)

103 Mike Gonzalez @Gundisalvus
RT @marykissel: BREAKING: 6 former CIA chiefs say Senate investigators never spoke with them before releasing report
http://t.co/DwjgsXsI0P

-
Well of course not. That's not how a lynch mob works. that's not how any of this works.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 12:48 PM (XUKZU)

104 Gruber 'doesn't know' how much money he made.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (/GgDU)

105 I wonder what the pucker factor of Gruber's ass is right now.

--------------------------------

Couldn't drive a nail into it with a sledgehammer.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (KFdZd)

106 Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 12:45 PM (9BRsg

I think I've read before that "not preparing" is actually a strategy. It allows you to say "I don't know" a lot.

Meanwhile, we've got a fucking waiter on the panel because he got him some Obamacare and loves it. (He also claim's he's not getting subsidies which I think, given the rest of his story, is an outright lie.)

Ever noticed how that works for the dems? They find someone who was too poor for insurance. And suddenly Obamacare is passed. And even though we know it raised prices, these people magically pay less.

And always without subsidies. Even though the income level they describe should allow them such.

Plus guys a fucking moron. If he's not getting subsidies, he needs to run his insurance costs through his "consulting" company so he can get the tax break.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 (short) weeks! at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (HDwDg)

107 "DC has got to go!
Go go Godzilla!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (ANSCY)

108 I am sorry you retards don't understand the workings of the healthcare system. I would try to explain it but you are probably too stupid to understand..... and for that, I am sorry. Very sorry.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (32Ze2)

109 Sorry, he's the black sheep of the family.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (4WhSY)

110 >>"I think the ACA was highly transparent"

Really? Then why did you publish an Obamacare for dummies comic book that dumbed it down for the little people?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (ABcz/)

111 My head was totally up my ass. Honest.

Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (8ZskC)

112 By Trey Gowdy.

On PPV.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (0HooB)

113 Teh Grub should be reminded that the IRS won't always be pissing on conservatives.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (iqA+6)

114 I was also gangbanged by the House Republicans that December, breaking a glass table and requiring me to buy a new dress.

Posted by: gruber at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (2ZvEW)

115 I've got a hint for Gruber, talking real fast doesn't mean you're smart, it means you should have been an auctioneer.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (wAQA5)

116 Wait, I'm getting confused. Can we keep the lefty
rape and lefty abortion stories away from the lefty treason and the
lefty crony capitalism and lefty hates democracy stories? Its all so
overwhelming.

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (6um35)

Let's just sum it up as "leftists are evil."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (4df7R)

117 88 So, Mr. Gruber, were you lying then or are you lying now?
I actually asked a witness that once.
Posted by: the other coyote

____________________

Last time I did that, the witness asked if I was questioning his credibility. I asked, "Which time?"

Posted by: Furious George at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (UlJ3l)

118 I am not the lying lickspittle you are looking for.

Posted by: Obiwan Gruber at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (sDapq)

119 John Schindler @20committee
In dozens of countries, there are emergency hi-level mtgs going on NOW examining what they've been stupid enough to share w/Americans. Nice.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (ZPrif)

120
Teh Grub should be reminded that the IRS won't always be pissing on conservatives.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (iqA+6)

It's so cute that some folks think that the IRS would actually obey a Republican administration.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2014 12:51 PM (TIIx5)

121 Mike Gonzalez @Gundisalvus RT @marykissel: BREAKING: 6 former CIA chiefs say Senate investigators never spoke with them before releasing report http://t.co/DwjgsXsI0P - Well of course not. That's not how a lynch mob works. that's not how any of this works.
Posted by: The Great White Snark

I'm learning that.

Posted by: Barry at Oberlin at December 09, 2014 12:51 PM (Spluw)

122 I do believe our elitist betters are sniveling cowards when you get right down to it.

He needs a goat strapped to his naked back and air-dropped into the Hindu Kush. On PPV.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:51 PM (FsuaD)

123 It's so cute that some folks think that the IRS would actually obey a Republican administration.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2014 12:51 PM (TIIx5)

He might believe it!

Posted by: model_1066 at December 09, 2014 12:51 PM (iqA+6)

124 John Schindler @20committee

In dozens of countries, there are emergency hi-level mtgs going on
NOW examining what they've been stupid enough to share w/Americans.
Nice.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (ZPrif)

I'd be shocked if those meetings weren't going on when Bammy was re-elected.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 12:51 PM (4df7R)

125 Teh Grub should be reminded that the IRS won't always be pissing on conservatives.

Hmm. Do tell.

Posted by: An Army of Dem IRS Bureaucrats at December 09, 2014 12:52 PM (8ZskC)

126 You know, if they jerked his sorry ass out of that chair and dragged him to jail for a couple of weeks he might shed some of that fucking smirking attitude.

Posted by: maddogg at December 09, 2014 12:52 PM (xWW96)

127

Patel is an abortionist with a long and particularly horrific
history of Medical Board disciplinary actions, malpractice claims, and
criminal cases. Nevertheless, financial documents found amid the medical
records and waste indicate that Patel owns $39.4 million in real
estate. His personal income exceeds $1.4 million annually.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

Fry the bastard til he cooks.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2014 12:52 PM (9LuAk)

128 >>So, Mr. Gruber, were you lying then or are you lying now?

I actually asked a witness that once.

Posted by: the other coyote

Last time I did that, the witness asked if I was questioning his credibility. I asked, "Which time?"

Posted by: Furious George at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (UlJ3l)
* * *

Note to self: *Hire* Moron lawyer if ever need one

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 12:52 PM (ABcz/)

129 Per Tavener and Gruber, costs are down, healthcare quality up. Who knew? It's f*cking magic!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 12:53 PM (/GgDU)

130 I don't know, some of y'all seem to get awfully excited by Republican congresscritters holding hearings at which they give whomever the business.

Call me when the hangings start.

Until then, it's just theater.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2014 12:53 PM (TOk1P)

131 I've got a hint for Gruber, talking real fast doesn't mean you're smart, it means you should have been an auctioneer.
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (wAQA5)
**************
I KNOW RIGHT??????

Posted by: Quenton Taratino at December 09, 2014 12:53 PM (32Ze2)

132 This head movie makes mah eyes rain!

Posted by: Herr Professor Gruber at December 09, 2014 12:53 PM (dxTxt)

133 Here's the deal. I don't think Gruber, himself, ever *lied* (until this hearing, when I'm pretty sure he's perjuring himself) about ObamaCare.

I think Gruber knew the administration and other senior Democrats were lying, and was defending them.

Now, of course, I think he's lying about that.

Regarding PP-caca itself, I think the was refreshingly honest. He knew that it was going to be bad for most people, so those people had to be tricked into accepting it "for the greater good."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 12:53 PM (M1uf/)

134 86
He did not prepare (apparently) and is wasting their time. Issa should
dismiss Gruber like the errant student he is and tell him to get his
shit together. Then recall him.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 12:45 PM (9BRsg)

No he should refer him to the DOJ for lying to congress which is a felony. And if Holder refuses to prosecute impeach him and get a new AG.

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2014 12:53 PM (u9gzs)

135 OT, but very important news flash: There is justice in the world.

The Atlanta Falcons cheerleader pictured on the MNF thread has been voted to the Pro Bowl Cheerleader squad. This made my day.

http://bit.ly/133tJhz

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (6um35)

136 This Tavenner bitch looks like she'd rather be at a frat-house gang rape than in the hearing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (FsuaD)

137 Tar, feathers and one douchebag/Gruber to go. Heckle, humiliate and repeat...

We need to make this monkey spank and pajama boy THE poster boys for liberal's.

Posted by: 2L at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (TaO1J)

138 Does this mean a gruber is a type of weasel?

That's an insult to weasels.

Posted by: Jane D'oh
Too true.Rodent Liberation Front, Weasel Splinter Group

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (bPJ0h)

139 Tom Nichols @TheWarRoom_Tom
.@hannahgais @mletterle @HalpernAlex All kidding aside, we didn't declassify Truman docs and some of the Hiroshima stuff for 50 years.

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In three years they will release the documents on the French mutiny after the Nivelle offensive. It has been covered up for ninety-seven years and in a few more years we will find out the truth.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (XUKZU)

140 Lachlan Markay@lachlan
Gruber's probably lucky that his paper on the economic benefits of abortion wasn't circulated before today's hearing
http://www.nber.org/papers/w6034.pdf

Abortion Legalization and Child Living Circumstances: Who is the "Marginal Child"
by Jon Gruber
May 1997

pull quote:

"the legalization of abortion saved the government over $14 billion in welfare expenditures through 1994."

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (ZPrif)

141 Tavenner is an idiot and this is the best and brightest? Fuck

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (Zmw74)

142 Note to self: *Hire* Moron lawyer if ever need one
Posted by: Lizzy
---------------------

Note to self: If ever slated for prosecution by Gowdy, flee the country.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (/GgDU)

143 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 12:53 PM (/GgDU)

Lies, damned lies, and statistics as Twain would say.

Of course in this case it's only half untrue. The economy has slowed spending and CMS has been working on healthcare quality improvement via penalizing readmissions for several years now.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 (short) weeks! at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (HDwDg)

144 129 Per Tavener and Gruber, costs are down, healthcare quality up. Who knew? It's f*cking magic!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 12:53 PM (/GgDU)

Then burn the witch!

Posted by: model_1066 at December 09, 2014 12:55 PM (iqA+6)

145 "You're asking about something that happened 2 WEEKS ago, plus, Gruber apologized, so f*** you. Next question..."

Posted by: The Administration Flaks at December 09, 2014 12:55 PM (5buP8)

146 I think I've read before that "not preparing" is actually a strategy. It allows you to say "I don't know" a lot.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 (short) weeks! at December 09, 2014 12:49 PM (HDwDg)

Didn't Hillary Clinton perfect that strategy during the Whitewater hearings?

"I don't know". " I don't recall" "I don't believe so, but I don't know" " I wasn't aware" "I don't remember".

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2014 12:55 PM (oOlEN)

147 Gruber should name his next parrot Tavenner.
Did you get a briefing on that?
Did I get a briefing on that?
Maybe she just watches too much Al Sharpton.

Posted by: no good deed at December 09, 2014 12:55 PM (w3a0Z)

148 Ari Fleischer tweet:

"The Senate Democrat report on the CIA did not interview the CIA officers involved. There are two sides to every story, including this one."

So I'm guessing Rolling Stone wrote the CIA report.

Posted by: @votermom at December 09, 2014 12:55 PM (cbfNE)

149 Tavenner is one smug, dishonest bitch.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2014 12:55 PM (g1DWB)

150 Note to self: *Hire* Moron lawyer if ever need one

Absolutely. I want any lawyer of mine to at least be able to keep up with the level of reasoned discourse maintained here.

Ability to keep up with bewbs and drinking is optional.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 12:56 PM (M1uf/)

151 Note to self: If ever slated for prosecution by Gowdy, flee the country.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

I'd just surrender and plead guilty and beg for mercy.

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 12:56 PM (bPJ0h)

152 * rib-bit, rib-bit, rib-bit, rib-bit *

Posted by: Tavenner on log at December 09, 2014 12:56 PM (dxTxt)

153 I can't remember who asked, but when asked if his healthcare costs had gone up, Gruber smugly said, "No."

I'd love to have 5 minutes in a locked room with that prissy bastard.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:56 PM (FsuaD)

154 "the legalization of abortion saved the government over $14 billion in welfare expenditures through 1994." - J. Gruber

Que?

Posted by: Wave of Undocumented Americans at December 09, 2014 12:56 PM (ABcz/)

155 "We covered that story like 2 WEEKS ago. Plus, he apologized. So, f*** you. In other news, a guy got voluntarily nibbled by an anaconda..."

Posted by: The MFM at December 09, 2014 12:56 PM (5buP8)

156 So help me out with this...

We are now at the Grubering the Grubering the Grubering the Grubering? Or did I leave out a Grubering?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at December 09, 2014 12:56 PM (BZAd3)

157 The problem is the electorate really is stupid. Thank God they don't turnout to vote.

Posted by: daninmichigan at December 09, 2014 12:57 PM (2yD4G)

158 DUDE.... This was like 2 years ago.

Posted by: Tommy Vietor at December 09, 2014 12:57 PM (32Ze2)

159 I'm waiting for Gruber to say I Can't Breathe.

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 12:57 PM (bPJ0h)

160 I would enjoy turning some of his real estate into one or more graveyards for the babies he and other abortion ghouls have butchered over the years.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 12:44 PM

Cut. Jib. Newsletter. Save some room for the evil bastards who support said baby butchering. Yeah...I'm talking to you, Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2014 12:57 PM (knoK7)

161 "the legalization of abortion saved the government over $14 billion in welfare expenditures through 1994."

Hmm, no mention of how much tax money was paid by those not receiving abortions?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 12:58 PM (0HooB)

162 LifeNews.com @LifeNewsHQ BREAKING: Abortionist Arrested: Accused of Raping His Patients, Dumping Aborted Babies Bodies bit.ly/1sfy3Aj pic.twitter.com/qYLsysaAKU

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It's always shocking and surprising when a sociopath acts like a sociopath.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 12:58 PM (XUKZU)

163 Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:54 PM (ZPrif)

Margaret Sanger smiled.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 12:58 PM (M1uf/)

164 Assholes......

Posted by: Lois Lerner at December 09, 2014 12:58 PM (32Ze2)

165 159
I'm waiting for Gruber to say I Can't Breathe.

mpfs, would you mind shoving a paper towel through the USB port? Thnx.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 12:58 PM (FsuaD)

166 Help....

Posted by: Lois Lerner's Dog at December 09, 2014 12:58 PM (32Ze2)

167 Translation: "I'm sorry that I was caught on video. In the future, I'll make sure that any appearance I make will not be recorded."

Posted by: NR Pax at December 09, 2014 12:58 PM (oDCMR)

168 I can't remember who asked, but when asked if his healthcare costs had gone up, Gruber smugly said, "No."

Some sort of Friends of Angelo deal for the Friends of Zeke?

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 09, 2014 12:59 PM (ZKzrr)

169 It doesn't matter. No one will know. Because campus rape, dead black men and tortured terrorists

Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2014 12:59 PM (zOTsN)

170 In America I learned that when people ask you how you are doing they do not want to know the truth unless they use the keyword REALLY.

So what is REALLY going on?

Posted by: Blame Whom at December 09, 2014 12:59 PM (7wyDO)

171 "Were you lying then, or are you lying now?"

Yes.

Posted by: Bluedog803 at December 09, 2014 12:59 PM (DjcIp)

172 It's always shocking and surprising when a sociopath acts like a sociopath.

This.

I think you have to be some especially sick f*ck to murder babies for a living.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:00 PM (M1uf/)

173 Well, Mr. Collins just chewed up Tavenner and spit her out.

Posted by: no good deed at December 09, 2014 01:00 PM (w3a0Z)

174 Cut. Jib. Newsletter. Save some room for the evil bastards who support
said baby butchering. Yeah...I'm talking to you, Planned Parenthood.

Planned Parenthood came out with a "Black Lives Count" statement.

The hypocrisy. It hurts.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:00 PM (FsuaD)

175 What is Truth?

Posted by: Pontius Gruber at December 09, 2014 01:00 PM (knoK7)

176 24 John Schindler @20committee
In dozens of countries, there are emergency hi-level mtgs going on NOW examining what they've been stupid enough to share w/Americans.

Nice.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 12:50 PM (ZPrif)

I'd be shocked if those meetings weren't going on when Bammy was re-elected.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 12:51 PM (4df7R)

I expect any prudently run country would have had those meetings once Obama was designated as the nominee in 2007.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:00 PM (oKE6c)

177 Some sort of Friends of Angelo deal for the Friends of Zeke?

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 09, 2014 12:59 PM (ZKzrr)

We academics know how to shore up our own flanks.

I mean c'mon the job is entirely about lying to get government gravy. Haven't you read an NIH grant?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 (short) weeks! at December 09, 2014 01:00 PM (HDwDg)

178 Planned Parenthood came out with a "Black Lives Count" statement.

The hypocrisy. It hurts.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:00 PM

Barbed wire, pineapple...you all know the drill.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2014 01:01 PM (knoK7)

179 I have vays of making him talk

Posted by: Anna Chapman at December 09, 2014 01:01 PM (LoIJo)

180 I can't remember who asked, but when asked if his healthcare costs had gone up, Gruber smugly said, "No."

Because fucking MIT fuckin payes for his fuckin health care. Fuck MIT and Fuck him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2014 01:01 PM (Zmw74)

181 Interestingly, no Dems seem to have any questions of Gruber or Tavener..., just defensive spin..., like they did for Lerner/IRS.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:01 PM (/GgDU)

182
Per Tavener and Gruber, costs are down, healthcare quality up. Who knew? It's f*cking magic!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
....................
Didn't you catch my latest sales pitch on Comedy Central last night?

Posted by: Dr. Hussein at December 09, 2014 01:01 PM (wAQA5)

183 >>Planned Parenthood came out with a "Black Lives Count" statement. The hypocrisy. It hurts.

In this case, it really does. It's ghoulish.
They make money off of killing black babies.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 01:02 PM (ABcz/)

184 Hold Gruber in contempt, have the Sergeant of the Guard arrest him, take him to jail and tell him in two weeks we will meet again and he should be willing to cooperate or we will do it again, and again until he grows old.

Posted by: Carl Sagan and Al Gore at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (WNERA)

185 Gruber says that he lied when he said he wrote part of Obamacare...., and yet his fingerprints are all over it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (/GgDU)

186 Jeeze louise. Gruber just said, "I did not write any part of the Affordable Care Act."

I'll be in the corner twitching ------->

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (FsuaD)

187 Carl wouldn't say that but I would

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (WNERA)

188 Loomis: "Were ALL of your former statements a lie?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (/GgDU)

189 "Let me be very clear..."

Obamaspeak - English Translation: "What I will say next is totally a lie, but I sincerely need to lie about this, so it is justified."

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2014 01:04 PM (b9fEe)

190 Gruber says that he lied when he said he wrote part of Obamacare...., and yet his fingerprints are all over it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (/GgDU)

And Fredo had nothing to do with the release of the CIA documents either

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2014 01:04 PM (Zmw74)

191 >>Planned Parenthood came out with a "Black Lives Count" statement.

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You bet. They go for like $200 a pop.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 01:04 PM (XUKZU)

192 Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (FsuaD)

Well this is one of those "technically true" statements.

One can provide a framework for something (as Gruber, and Zeke Emmanual did, somewhat independently here) and yet not have actually written a damned thing in the bill.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 (short) weeks! at December 09, 2014 01:04 PM (HDwDg)

193 Collins did an admirable job but he never asked the most important question:"Why?

Posted by: angler at December 09, 2014 01:04 PM (+zZOH)

194 Collins did an admirable job but he never asked the most important question:"Why?

Posted by: angler at December 09, 2014 01:04 PM (+zZOH)

195 Gruber says that he lied when he said he wrote part of Obamacare...., and yet his fingerprints are all over it.

They should axe Gruberweasel who really did author that POS bill.

I'd especially want them to vet the guy who was in prison at the time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 01:04 PM (0HooB)

196 I expect any prudently run country would have had those meetings once Obama was designated as the nominee in 2007.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:00 PM (oKE6c)

Ah. So no country in existence except maybe Israel? Remember, these were the same countries that were feting Obama as being the second coming of Christ.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 01:05 PM (4df7R)

197 If you can believe it the bombshell Democrat CIA hit report is all over the news sites and the airwaves.

The Gruber hearings?

Nowhere to be found.

If the GOP were smart they would have realized what the Donks were doing and rescheduled the committee hearing to another day.

But the GOP is dumb and complicit.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 09, 2014 01:05 PM (Oc3Dj)

198 Jeeze louise. Gruber just said, "I did not write any part of the Affordable Care Act."

I'll be in the corner twitching ------->
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (FsuaD)

Then who did?

No, seriously, who did?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blonds with whipped cream. at December 09, 2014 01:05 PM (mf5HN)

199 >>Gruber says that he lied when he said he wrote part of Obamacare...., and yet his fingerprints are all over it.

So what was he paid millions to do?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 01:06 PM (ABcz/)

200 Hey, I just bought John Gruber's car!

Everybody's talkin' at me but I don't hear a word they're sayin'

Posted by: george costanza at December 09, 2014 01:06 PM (2ZvEW)

201 Cynthia Loomis lands on Tavener with both feet. Heavy personal story....

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:06 PM (/GgDU)

202 Oh guys I know Gruber is lying.

Call his bluff. Send him home to "prepare". Then recall him.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 01:06 PM (9BRsg)

203 Car wreck
Jonathan Jones @jjones9 12m
Cam Newton being loaded into ambulance https://vine.co/v/OrP6VxhHwHF

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

204 I want to be able to watch it in full, over and over again, while rewinding favorite parts. #NotAtAllLikePorn

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 12:19 PM (4df7R)

While doing WHAT to your favorite parts??

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at December 09, 2014 01:07 PM (fwARV)

205 Gruber Keep your mouth shut if they ask you that.

Posted by: Racial SJW Van Jones at December 09, 2014 01:07 PM (Mxs5H)

206 So what was he paid millions to do?
Posted by: Lizzy
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He 'doesn't recall' how much he made.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:07 PM (/GgDU)

207 205 should have included this.

They should axe Gruberweasel who really did author that POS bill.

Posted by: Racial SJW Van Jones at December 09, 2014 01:07 PM (Mxs5H)

208 I love you Jane D'oh!

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 01:07 PM (bPJ0h)

209 Damn, Rep. Lummis' statement about her husband's heart attack is pretty stunning. I'm almost glad that Tavenner didn't have a chance to respond. It would have been ugly.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at December 09, 2014 01:07 PM (+/C3g)

210 Jeebus. The female rep who just described getting f*cked over by Obamacare, and her husband dying of a massive heart attack in his sleep.

Powerful. I'm sure Gruber doesn't give a damn.

Gruber saying he didn't lie-lie. His comments were *just* "glib and thoughtless."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:07 PM (FsuaD)

211 Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

Sorry to hear that.

Any word on how serious his injuries are?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:08 PM (M1uf/)

212 Jeeze louise. Gruber just said, "I did not write any part of the Affordable Care Act."

I'll be in the corner twitching ------->

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (FsuaD)

Then who did?

No, seriously, who did?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blonds with whipped cream. at December 09, 2014 01:05 PM (mf5HN)

Don't you know? It appeared in a puff of magical smoke on Obammy's desk. Written in flaming runes in the air above the tome were the words: ALL WHO READ OF ME SHALL DESPAIR.
So the Dems passed it without reading it, because fuck despair, right?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 01:08 PM (4df7R)

213 I feel severely Grubered.

Posted by: Naive GOP Supporter at December 09, 2014 01:08 PM (XzRw1)

214 So, Mr. Gruber, were you lying then or are you lying now?

I actually asked a witness that once.

Posted by: the other coyote at December 09, 2014 12:46 PM (yK44T)

Heh. Years ago, I was deposing a hostile witness over the span of an entire day, and just once he said: "To be honest . . . " as he prefaced the answer to my question.So I immediately said: "Does the fact that you just prefaced this one answer with 'To be honest' mean that all the rest of your answers today have been false?"His attorney almost launched himself across the table at me. It was glorious.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2014 01:08 PM (tRftc)

215 Ah. So no country in existence except maybe Israel? Remember, these were the same countries that were feting Obama as being the second coming of Christ.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 01:05 PM (4df7R)

Shockingly, you're probably right. If I were running a government, I'd watch developments in American politics for just this sort of thing, and as soon as some shitstain like Obongo was nominated, convene meetings on what, if anything, we should be doing NOW to minimize our exposure in case said shitstain got elected.

But that's me.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:08 PM (oKE6c)

216 Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 3m
Must Read by @alanagoodman: Senate Minority Rebuts Majority's Claims http://goo.gl/ytg3i0
Minority Report: CIA Saves Lives

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:08 PM (ZPrif)

217 "https://vine.co/v/OrP6VxhHwHF "

What the Hell happened?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2014 01:09 PM (LA7Cm)

218 What's not to like? The man swallows enthusiastically. Does anything else really matter?

Posted by: Dog Eater at December 09, 2014 01:09 PM (TaO1J)

219
We got somethin' we both know
We don't talk too much about it
Ain't no real big secret all the same
Somehow we get around it
Listen, it don't really matter to me baby
You believe what you want to believe...

Posted by: Tavenner and Gruber greatest hits at December 09, 2014 01:09 PM (wAQA5)

220 208
I love you Jane D'oh!

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 01:07 PM (bPJ0h)

I love you too! {{hug}} Now, will you share Trey Gowdy with me?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:09 PM (FsuaD)

221
Then who did?

No, seriously, who did?

-
Some damn Teapartier all hopped up on moonshine and chawin' tabaccy.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 01:09 PM (XUKZU)

222 Powerful. I'm sure Gruber doesn't give a damn.
----------------

Hey..., he was just a necessary statistic.

Posted by: Jonnie Groober at December 09, 2014 01:09 PM (/GgDU)

223 @134
That would be step two.

But right now he claims he can't recall. So send him home to pick up his tax returns and papers, then bring him back.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 01:09 PM (9BRsg)

224 Oh guys I know Gruber is lying.

Call his bluff. Send him home to "prepare". Then recall him.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 01:06 PM (9BRsg)

So what happens when you lie to Congress? Let's see, you keep your appointed job(Holder), you survive an impeachment and become a wildly popular president who simply pardons all your buds on the way out(Clinton),you are praised as a fabulous secretary of state and are a front runner for the Democrat presidential candidate(Hillary).

Don't see a down side to Gruber's testimony at all.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2014 01:10 PM (oOlEN)

225 OT, but it appears Cam Newton, QB of the Panthers, has been badly injured in a car accident. According to reports, both of his legs were "visibly broken."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 01:10 PM (4df7R)

226 This Gruber guy is really starting to piss me off.

Posted by: John McClain at December 09, 2014 01:10 PM (nbGZj)

227 His attorney almost launched himself across the table at me. It was glorious.

I'm surprised he didn't smack his client with a rubber mallet.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:10 PM (M1uf/)

228 Injuries not clear. Appears he rolled his pick-up truck somehow.

These two Charlotte Observer beat reporters appear to be on the scene.

https://twitter.com/josephperson
https://twitter.com/jjones9

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (ZPrif)

229 "So no country in existence except maybe Israel? "

I don't know if they did it immediately after he was elected but I can see them having done it not long after he and Ben's first meet.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (LA7Cm)

230 I know longer look at Gruber and see a parrot on his shoulder. I'm seeing a vulture.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (FsuaD)

231 Reports that Can Newton was seriously injured in a care crash in Charlotte. Seems like a legit story, he was transported to the hospital at 12:50 this afternoon. No word on extent, but there was an overturned car at the accident scene.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (2cS/G)

232 The good thing about a liar is that, under oath, they will always tell you the truth.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (oewoR)

233 Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2014 01:08 PM (tRftc)

A little bit of a cheap shot, IMO. It's common usage, and doesn't necessarily indicate prevarication elsewhere.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (oKE6c)

234 According to reports, both of his legs were "visibly broken."

OUCH.

Worse ouch- if that's bad enough, that could end his career. I'm not a huge Cam Newton fan, but that would suck. Prayers up for him, too.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (M1uf/)

235 But of course Jane!

I need a sitz bath now. I've been Grubered way too much.

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 01:12 PM (bPJ0h)

236 I guess we all saw the same report simultaneously. I hope he's okay.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 09, 2014 01:12 PM (2cS/G)

237 >>Gruber saying he didn't lie-lie. His comments were *just* "glib and thoughtless."

And repeated over and over again. That implies he thought they were OK, eh? Can't be a gaffe if there's video of you saying it as a speaker in a forum *four times*!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 01:12 PM (ABcz/)

238 Testing. Why can't I post?

Posted by: Lea at December 09, 2014 01:12 PM (lIU4e)

239 I notice that most of the hard grilling is being conducted by Southern Congressmen.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (/GgDU)

240 I need a sitz bath now. I've been Grubered way too much.

Put some ice on it.

Posted by: Billy Jeff at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (FsuaD)

241 He knows the drtsils of his health insurance and care expenses off the top of his head, but he doesn't know where he got the millions he earned?

Pull the other one, Gruber.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (9BRsg)

242 And that vulture looks a lot like Trey Gowdy ready to pick his lying scrawny bones.

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (bPJ0h)

243 But right now he claims he can't recall.

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He has to. If he did "recall", he'd come home to find his parrots boiling in a pot on the stove.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (XUKZU)

244
Of course, that one went through and the real ones didn't. Typical.

Posted by: Lea at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (lIU4e)

245 I am an exceptional thief, Mr. Gowdy.

Posted by: Jon Hans Gruber at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (rwI+c)

246 According to reports, both of his legs were "visibly broken."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 01:10 PM

Ouch. There's no good interpretation of 'visibly broken.'

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (knoK7)

247 "Appears he rolled his pick-up truck somehow."

Newton drives a 15 year old Dodge pickup....????

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (LA7Cm)

248 Hmmm...

So I've finished my lunch, and now I want dessert.

Anyone got some brownies? Or maybe some peach cobbler?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (M1uf/)

249
He 'doesn't recall' how much he made.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
...........................
The Cayman banks don't send monthly statements?
Oh yeah andthose sacks of cash in the basement can be awful difficult to count.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (wAQA5)

250 According to reports, both of his legs were "visibly broken."

Damn. That sucks.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (oewoR)

251 Chaffetz smacked him around good.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 01:14 PM (9BRsg)

252 Charlotte Observer @theobserver 3m3 minutes ago
Cam Newton is conscious and smiling after crash in uptown Charlotte. pic.twitter.com/tx6R9qisSh

WBTV News @WBTV_News 3m
#BREAKING RT @SteveCrumpWBTV: CMPD source says no injuries to Cam Newton.He didn't want to be transported. Taken to hospital as precaution.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:14 PM (ZPrif)

253 I know you Ace and followers want to keep a certain modicum of class here,
That said:
Fuckstein
Fuckstein
Fuckstein

In the Godfather Movie ,

Kay tells Michale that Senators and Congressman do not have people killed.
Michale responds:
Now who is being naive Kay?

NO GOOD

Will come from THE FUCKSTEIN grandstanding.

Posted by: Funny Like That at December 09, 2014 01:14 PM (/WmRg)

254 "both of his legs were "visibly broken."

Ouch.

But he's actually smiling in one of the pics.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2014 01:14 PM (LA7Cm)

255 According to reports, both of his legs were "visibly broken."
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But what about his $200K automobile?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:14 PM (/GgDU)

256 Gruber saying he didn't lie-lie. His comments were *just* "glib and thoughtless."

-
Just like Bernie Madoff!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 01:14 PM (XUKZU)

257 I do feel bad for Cam Newton. I hope he is okay.

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 01:14 PM (bPJ0h)

258 229 "So no country in existence except maybe Israel? "

I don't know if they did it immediately after he was elected but I can see them having done it not long after he and Ben's first meet.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (LA7Cm)

I do think that that would be rather late in the day. I'd be thinking in 2007 about what we should tell the U.S. that might be awkward if Obongo got elected in 2008, and took office in 2009. The time to make that calculation was as soon as Obongo was nominated, just in case.

Hell, I'd be looking at the primaries to see if we likely had a nascent problem. It's important, per Gretzky, to skate where the puck is going to be, not where it is now.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:15 PM (oKE6c)

259 Gee, I bet the IRS knows how much Gruber earned.
Shame it's illegal for them to share that info, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 01:15 PM (ABcz/)

260 CMPD source says no injuries to Cam Newton.He didn't want to be transported. Taken to hospital as precaution.

I'm feeling better.

Posted by: Cam Newton at December 09, 2014 01:15 PM (oewoR)

261 There's no good interpretation of 'visibly broken.'
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (knoK7)

Tell me about it

Posted by: Joe Theisman at December 09, 2014 01:15 PM (Zmw74)

262 WBTV News @WBTV_News 3m
#BREAKING RT @SteveCrumpWBTV: CMPD source says no injuries to Cam Newton.He didn't want to be transported. Taken to hospital as precaution.

Okay, so right now what we've got are "confused reports." I guess we'll have to wait until the Panthers comment to know for sure.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:15 PM (M1uf/)

263
"Appears he rolled his pick-up truck somehow."

Eyewitnesses are claiming another driver ran a red light, but that may be wrong.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 01:15 PM (4df7R)

264 So don't believe these media accounts of Democrats "ripping" Gruber. They are tactically pretending to believe Gruber's new lies, in order to defend Obamacare.

********

Seems like lots of people are falling for this absolute crap. They are "concerned" and probably their idea of a "fix" is--single- payer.

That's where this damn thing is headed.

Gruber and ObamaCare could end up being the biggest scam ever. We might have to sacrifice national defense to fund this eventuality.

Schumer...unbelievable.

People are falling for that guy's act.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (RJMhd)

265 AllenG, I have some baklava. Here. Keeps me from eating the last piece.

Posted by: LadyS at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (5dip8)

266 I heard that it was the little blond kid who does the commercials with Cam Newton that ran out in front of his truck.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (32Ze2)

267 Anyone got some brownies? Or maybe some peach cobbler?

I'm out of chocolate mint brownies, but a Kroger flyer has a recipe I'm going to make for Christmas:

Peppermint Blondies with Peppermint Ganache

*looks around for AtC*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (FsuaD)

268 LOL, how can there be two reports on Cam Newton, one saying both legs were visibly broken and another that says he's uninjured....

Oh, it's the internet.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (oOlEN)

269 WBTV News @WBTV_News 3m

#BREAKING RT @SteveCrumpWBTV: CMPD source says no injuries to Cam
Newton.He didn't want to be transported. Taken to hospital as
precaution.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:14 PM (ZPrif)
GOOD. Though a crash like that, I wouldn't be surprised if he IS injured and just doesn't know it yet.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (4df7R)

270 Hey, lying works for Obama. And his minions saying he was lying works for Obama, so why shouldn't Gruber use the same tactic.

After all, the public is so stupid they believe his lies.

Posted by: Hepcat at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (yQRD6)

271 You rubes keep on believing we're really going to fix this shit.

Posted by: Non-Caring and Pre-Facist Federal Government at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (XzRw1)

272 Hey I think I may have broken my legs. Anyone care?

Posted by: Geno Smith at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (Zmw74)

273 I don't see any legit media outlet saying his legs were "visibly broken", just random people on twitter.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (ZPrif)

274 I'm feeling better.

Get on the cart, Cam.

Posted by: the angel of death in a funny hat at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (rwI+c)

275 How was it not passed in a non-transparent fashion if we had to pass it to see what's in it? This lying dbag is lying again.

Posted by: Titanium at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (hmOSK)

276 I'm feeling better.

Posted by: Cam Newton at December 09, 2014 01:15 PM

Nonsense, you'll be stone dead in a minute.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2014 01:17 PM (knoK7)

277 "But what about his $200K automobile?"

Older Dodge pickup.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2014 01:17 PM (LA7Cm)

278 LOL, how can there be two reports on Cam Newton, one saying both legs
were visibly broken and another that says he's uninjured....

Bad gris-gris.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 09, 2014 01:17 PM (ZKzrr)

279 But what about his $200K automobile?
Posted by: Mike Hammer
------------------------

Question withdrawn. Appears to have been large crew-cab truck.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:17 PM (/GgDU)

280 The Cayman banks don't send monthly statements?
Oh yeah andthose sacks of cash in the basement can be awful difficult to count.

Posted by: wth

And how would he know what bank? There are hundreds of banks in the Caymans. He just doesn't know for sure..

He is such a diuchebag, asshat.

If anyone deserves the barbed cock of Satan up the squeakhole it's Gruber.

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 01:17 PM (bPJ0h)

281 If he doesn't know the exact amount ask this:

"I've read you made in excess of $3 million advising on Obamacare. Is that true?"

Get a big number in the news regardless of what he says he remembers.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 09, 2014 01:17 PM (Mxs5H)

282 So you're saying the accident was in Charlotte huh?......

Posted by: RGIII at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (32Ze2)

283 Unified Theory of Evil Leftism news today:

Gruber supports abortion, such as is performed by patient rapist Dr. Patel, to lower crime, but will not talk about his real role in Obamacare until he is waterboarded.

Posted by: @votermom at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (cbfNE)

284 "...I have to admit, Mr. Chairman, that I am an expert in micro-economic modelling of micro-agressive churning of the clearly stupid American consumer of health insurance. To that end I regret my inopportune comments about said stupid Americans, and I would hope that the aformentioned stupid Americans would accept my statement of incincere but clearly true conjecture..."

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (xdMK5)

285 Hmmm...

So I've finished my lunch, and now I want dessert.

Anyone got some brownies? Or maybe some peach cobbler?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:13 PM (M1uf/)

*shifty eyes*

No.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blonds with whipped cream. at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (mf5HN)

286 "You were conjecturing then?"

"Yes."

Follow up: "Are you conjecturing now?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (oKE6c)

287 Oh, it's the internet.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (oOlEN)

Meh. Same kind of thing happened before the internet, it's not a new phenomenon.

Hey I think I may have broken my legs. Anyone care?

Posted by: Geno Smith at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (Zmw74)

I'm sorry... who are you again?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (M1uf/)

288 Who is Cam Newton and why should I care?

Posted by: TVoC Hates All Politicians at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (XzRw1)

289 Cam didn't want to be transported to the hospital. He has obamacare.

Posted by: Havedash at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (gvqyH)

290 I don't see any legit media outlet saying his legs were "visibly broken", just random people on twitter.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:16 PM (ZPrif)
Yes, but random people on twitter are sometimes more accurate than legit media outlets.

Still, I'm glad to hear that he doesn't appear to be seriously injured.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (4df7R)

291 Gruber: I was conjecturing. "sniff!"

Gruber: Just me conjecturing, duh!

Gruber: It was me conjecturing! Ok! Yeah.

Gruber: I was conjecturing in an area that I should have have.

Gruber: Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. That word cost me 200 G's in lawyer fees.

Posted by: Lester at December 09, 2014 01:19 PM (2UPXV)

292 Rice (R-SC) Asks the 'were you lying then or now' question.

Gruber says that his former *assertions* were just 'conjecture'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:19 PM (/GgDU)

293 You can get buckets, a towel, pliers and a simple blowtorch from Home Depot for about $30. I'm just sayin'.

"Nipples?"

"Nuts?"

"Potty trainer?"

Posted by: Marvin Boggs at December 09, 2014 01:19 PM (PMGbu)

294 Check out Cam's jacked up truck with the big dubs.

You can take them out of the....... but.......

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 09, 2014 01:19 PM (0FSuD)

295 221
Then who did?

No, seriously, who did?

Obama received it in a dream while sleeping in a cave. With Apes. Stepping on figs.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 09, 2014 01:19 PM (uSAVP)

296 Sockie offie

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2014 01:19 PM (Zmw74)

297 Too bad it's not 5:00. Every time the word "lie" is spoken you could take a shot.

Or in this case, just glug down the entire bottle.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:19 PM (FsuaD)

298 So Gruber admits he's a liar with the classic double lie maneuver. He's interviewing for an administration job and wants to prove his qualifications.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2014 01:20 PM (i0vkQ)

299 Who is Cam Newton and why should I care?

See, I know wome people think sports and pop culture ignorance are badges of honor. Just don't be a snot about it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 09, 2014 01:20 PM (659DL)

300 Congresscritters can easily come up with a big number for his payments. States were pretty open about hiring the douche.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 09, 2014 01:20 PM (9BRsg)

301 Gruber says, in effect, 'ignore what I said'...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:20 PM (/GgDU)

302 Who cares if Gruber was "speculating." His statements reflected his belief. His state of mind. What lawyers call his "mens rea." He has repeatedly said he wasn't lying. That is all that matters. Who cares if he was correct or not?

Posted by: USA at December 09, 2014 01:20 PM (m8hf7)

303 So you're saying the accident was in Charlotte huh?......
Posted by: RGIII at December 09, 2014 01:18 PM (32Ze2)

That's funny right there.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blonds with whipped cream. at December 09, 2014 01:21 PM (mf5HN)

304 Gruber is going to have to change his boxers during break.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:21 PM (FsuaD)

305 "mens rea."

Wha...

What have you heard?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:21 PM (M1uf/)

306 I suppose he figured that everyone who was upset about ObamaCare would end up accepting it and the fuss would die down. I think he chose poorly.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 09, 2014 01:21 PM (hLRSq)

307 Gruber - When I said 'lack of transparency', I really meant 'very transparent'.

Shitweasels all the way down.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:21 PM (/GgDU)

308 Obama received it in a dream while sleeping in a cave. With Apes. Stepping on figs.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 09, 2014 01:19 PM (uSAVP)

Were the figs crunchy?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:21 PM (oKE6c)

309 LOL, how can there be two reports on Cam Newton, one saying both legs were visibly broken and another that says he's uninjured....

Oh, it's the internet.

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The internet is a wonderful, magical place everything can be both true and not true at the same time.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 01:21 PM (XUKZU)

310 Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2014 01:08 PM (tRftc)

A little bit of a cheap shot, IMO. It's common usage, and doesn't necessarily indicate prevarication elsewhere.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:11 PM (oKE6c)

Of course it was a cheap shot. I was a lawyer for 18 years. Now I'm not, so I'm healing.
But it was fun. So there's that.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2014 01:22 PM (tRftc)

311 The internet is a wonderful, magical place everything can be both true and not true at the same time.

Which in many ways, is the story of Obama. And Gruber.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:23 PM (FsuaD)

312 The internet is a wonderful, magical place everything can be both true and not true at the same time.

It was just supposed to be a thought experiment!

Posted by: Erwin Shrodinger at December 09, 2014 01:23 PM (M1uf/)

313 198 Jeeze louise. Gruber just said, "I did not write any part of the Affordable Care Act."

I'll be in the corner twitching ------->
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:03 PM (FsuaD)

***********

I saw a tape where he very specifically claimed to have written the state exchange part of ObamaCare.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 09, 2014 01:23 PM (RJMhd)

314 Oh, it's the internet.

-
The internet is a wonderful, magical place everything can be both true and not true at the same time.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 01:21 PM (XUKZU)

That does explain why the internet is made up of cats.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blonds with whipped cream. at December 09, 2014 01:23 PM (mf5HN)

315 Democrats who confess their sins can be redeemed and rehabilitated, but republicans who confess their guilt simply confirm their evil intentions and confirm the need for society to shun and isolate those dastardly dangerous republicans from society to protect society from the self confessed unapologetic irredeemable terribly bad republicans who must spend the rest of their lives in the wilderness of obscurity like Nixon did.

Posted by: Nothim Peerless at December 09, 2014 01:23 PM (C4jTN)

316 ~~Excelsior~~ Conjectior!

Posted by: Jon Gruber at December 09, 2014 01:23 PM (qfd4W)

317 He crushed the top of his truck pretty good.
https://twitter.com/jjones9/status/542380439403372545/photo/1

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:23 PM (ZPrif)

318 Question withdrawn. Appears to have been large crew-cab truck.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:17 PM (/GgDU)

With a six-inch lift kit.
Those are not very stable.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 09, 2014 01:23 PM (ZALPg)

319 It's great that Howdy ripped him apart but so what? Is he going to be held accountable? Was Lerner, Koksukin, Sebelius, or My People held accountable? These Congressional testimonies are good for show but until and unless someone is held accountable, a show is all it is.

Posted by: Titanium at December 09, 2014 01:24 PM (hmOSK)

320 "Would have shown a massive SURPLUS??" WTF??

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:24 PM (oKE6c)

321 I could explain it to you but I'd have better luck explaining Shakespeare to a donkey.

Posted by: The Great Gruber at December 09, 2014 01:24 PM (XUKZU)

322

Judy
Judy
Judy

Posted by: Gruber Pyle at December 09, 2014 01:24 PM (W5DcG)

323 Oh good. The Orc is speaking again.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:25 PM (FsuaD)

324 That does explain why the internet is made up of cats.

http://is.gd/h8c0F2

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 09, 2014 01:25 PM (ZKzrr)

325 319
It's great that Howdy ripped him apart but so what? Is he going to be held accountable?

Are you kidding me?

Posted by: TVoC Hates All Politicians at December 09, 2014 01:25 PM (XzRw1)

326 Cummings..... Let the deflection begin.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:25 PM (/GgDU)

327 Not that it's surprising, but there's nothing up on the Panther's official website, yet.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed Derringer Bandit at December 09, 2014 01:25 PM (M1uf/)

328 Elijah Cummings: "... that a mistake was made ..."

No agency. The "mistake" just dropped out of the sky.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:26 PM (oKE6c)

329 Larry Correia:
If torture didn't work, then liberals wouldn't keep tweeting us.

Posted by: @votermom at December 09, 2014 01:26 PM (cbfNE)

330 At least Cam is in the news......

Posted by: RGIII at December 09, 2014 01:26 PM (32Ze2)

331

Huge Cover-up #9,999,666,...

They know this sh*t is crumbling down and they will do whatever it takes.

Whatever it takes.

Boy, we better get a conservative elected in 2016.

We need to burn these faux columns and throne down to the ground.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2014 01:26 PM (IXrOn)

332 Elijah Cummings. The black ManBearPig.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:26 PM (FsuaD)

333 "I told my staff, 'Watch what you say.'"

And keep your lies straight.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:26 PM (oKE6c)

334 I wonder if some of the CIA spooks have dear old friends in the Mossad or KGB that have some, uh, compromising photos and the like of the traitorous 'rats that might end up in the innerwebs' social media thingy. Or that of Preezy Cakeboy at Man Country in Chicago. That would be a hoot. Talk about an elephant in the room for cBS/NBC/PMSNBC et al.

Posted by: eureka! at December 09, 2014 01:27 PM (3F0SN)

335 I expected a stampede for the baklava, at least from HR and AtC. Is Cam Newton good-looking, or something?

Posted by: LadyS at December 09, 2014 01:27 PM (5dip8)

336 Boy, we better get a conservative elected in 2016.\

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Non-Caring and Pre-Facist Federal Government at December 09, 2014 01:27 PM (XzRw1)

337 You know the old saying. If a lie is repeated often enough, it becomes truth.

At least that's what Herr Gruber is hoping.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:28 PM (FsuaD)

338 Can we split the difference? One good leg, one Theismann-esque leg?

Posted by: Sol at December 09, 2014 01:28 PM (1JJ9R)

339 Picture of Can, conscious and smiling, while being tended to, so I'm guessing no double leg break.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 09, 2014 01:28 PM (2cS/G)

340 US Embassies on alert for threats over CIA report.

Should anyone question the timing of this release?

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 09, 2014 01:28 PM (RJMhd)

341 I expected a stampede for the baklava, at least from HR and AtC. Is Cam Newton good-looking, or something?
Posted by: LadyS at December 09, 2014 01:27 PM (5dip

Wait what, there's baklava?

*sidles over*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blonds with whipped cream. at December 09, 2014 01:28 PM (mf5HN)

342 324 That does explain why the internet is made up of cats.
http://is.gd/h8c0F2
Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 09, 2014 01:25 PM (ZKzrr)

http://tinyurl.com/k6dhkqx
This is the defining explanation.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 09, 2014 01:28 PM (ZALPg)

343 The internet is a wonderful, magical place everything can be both true and not true at the same time.

Meow.

Or not.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 09, 2014 01:29 PM (0HooB)

344 >>> Gowdy pretty much tore Gruber a new asshole.
It was a thing of beauty.

Look forward to seeing vid of it later. Happy Gowdy is on our side fighting the good fight.

Heard clips of McCain though, yeesh. We REALLY need to get one of those hooks they used in vaudeville shows to snag him off the stage and out of the senate.

Posted by: LizLem at December 09, 2014 01:29 PM (yRwC8)

345 Gruber presents an interesting question with this testimony. "Was he lying then, or is he lying now?"

You never have to ask that question with Obozo--he's lying whenever his lips are moving.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 09, 2014 01:29 PM (wdHk6)

346 I expected a stampede for the baklava, at least from HR and AtC.

Well hello there.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 09, 2014 01:29 PM (ZKzrr)

347 I expected a stampede for the baklava, at least from HR and AtC. Is Cam Newton good-looking, or something?
Posted by: LadyS at December 09, 2014 01:27 PM (5dip

***********
Cam is a relatively good looking young dude and a talented self promoting quarterback. I used to make Baklava in another life. Long and intensive process. I learned to hate it because I ate so much of it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 09, 2014 01:29 PM (32Ze2)

348
Obamacare = Eugenics.

The nasty words I want to say about this law and this man would be too extensive to put here.

I will say this however, I just dropped to the lowest bronze coverage possible due to the f'ing outrageous cost for less coverage than before this fucking law. And it is a gamble for my family, and gamblers are generally losers, but that's what I have to do.

So the law's design to force us all in to less health care is working as designed. We will all soon enough be in the Canadian or British system designed for employment instead of healthcare.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2014 01:29 PM (NtzGn)

349 He crushed the top of his truck pretty good.

-

All my friends know the low rider
The low rider is a little higher

Low rider drives a little slower
Low rider is a real goer

Low rider knows every street, yeah
Low rider is the one to meet, yeah

Low rider don't use no gas now
Low rider don't drive too fast

Take a little trip, take a little trip
Take a little trip and see
Take a little trip, take a little trip
Take a little trip with me

Read more: War - Low Rider Lyrics | MetroLyrics

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 09, 2014 01:29 PM (XUKZU)

350 I love Issa, and voted for him. He's doing yeoman's work. He doesn't have much power outside of holding hearings, but he's doing what he can, and doesn't use weasel words.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (oKE6c)

351 I got it from the toilet seat.

Posted by: Gruber Excuses at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (oewoR)

352 Old is nood again.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (2ZvEW)

353 Picture of Can, conscious and smiling, while being tended to, so I'm guessing no double leg break.
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 09, 2014 01:28 PM (2cS/G)
*********
SHIT

Posted by: RGIII at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (32Ze2)

354 Read a headline at Foreign Policy that some CIA officers--might be retired--have set up a website to try to defend themselves.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (RJMhd)

355
Wait what, there's baklava?

*sidles over*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blonds with whipped cream. at December 09, 2014 01:28 PM (mf5HN)

I guess you missed my comment up-thread about the peppermint blondies with peppermint ganache I'm going to make for Christmas. Recipe came in a Kroger flyer.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (FsuaD)

356
From NY Times 2012...his home in Lexington, Mass. There he crunches numbers and advises other states on health care, in between head banging at Van Halen concerts with his 15-year-old son and cuddling with the family's eight parrots. (His wife Andrea, volunteers at a bird rescue center.)
....................
American voters are stupid! Squawk!
American voters are stupid! Squawk!

Posted by: Gruber's parrot at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (wAQA5)

357 >> wonder if some of the CIA spooks have dear old friends in the Mossad or
KGB that have some, uh, compromising photos and the like of the
traitorous 'rats that might end up in the innerwebs' social media
thingy.

Yeah, the same CIA that was all about leaking stuff when Bush was president in order to make him look bad. Then they get president boyfriend and he stabs them in the back almost immediately with Holder prosecuting CIA interrogators. It makes no sense.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 01:31 PM (ABcz/)

358 I read where some people are training birds of prey to take out MILITARIZED THUG COP/GOOGLEESQUE SMALL DRONES.

Anyone here know anything about Falconry?

Posted by: TVoC Hates All Politicians at December 09, 2014 01:32 PM (XzRw1)

359

So nothing is "public" with public employees and taxpayer dollars spent out.

But, private sector? IRS hacksters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2014 01:32 PM (IXrOn)

360 US Embassies on alert for threats over CIA report.

Should anyone question the timing of this release?

Seems like perfect timing, to me.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 09, 2014 01:32 PM (oewoR)

361 Gruber leaving hearing: "Feets don't fail me now!"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:32 PM (FsuaD)

362 The person I feel sorry for? Whoever launders Gruber's underpants.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:32 PM (oKE6c)

363 Sad, but true.
Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman
With that, the Gruber hearing you will only see clips of on Fox ends.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 09, 2014 01:32 PM (ZPrif)

364 If anyone deserves the barbed cock of Satan up the squeakhole it's Gruber.

Posted by: mpfs, In my mind I'm Mrs. Gowdy at December 09, 2014 01:17 PM (bPJ0h)

How soon they forget.

Posted by: Smug and Smarmy Nanci Pelosi parading with the big hammer at December 09, 2014 01:32 PM (uSAVP)

365 *reluctantly passes plate*
Yeah, I checked. Newton's not a bit unattractive.

Posted by: LadyS at December 09, 2014 01:33 PM (5dip8)

366 >>Read a headline at Foreign Policy that some CIA officers--might be retired--have set up a website to try to defend themselves.

Someone here linked to it: http://www.ciasavedlives.com/

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2014 01:33 PM (ABcz/)

367 Anyone here know anything about Falconry?>>

All I know is tiny leather hoods are involved.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 09, 2014 01:33 PM (Mxs5H)

368 Heh. Dem caller on c-span is disgusted by the Dems' lies. "Why aren't these people being held in contempt?"

Blind squirrel + acorn

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:34 PM (FsuaD)

369 I guess you missed my comment up-thread about the peppermint blondies with peppermint ganache I'm going to make for Christmas. Recipe came in a Kroger flyer.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (FsuaD)

Duuuuuuuuuuuddddeeee.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blonds with whipped cream. at December 09, 2014 01:35 PM (mf5HN)

370 The camera should've shown Gruber leaving. I bet he was walking kinda funny on his way out.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:35 PM (oKE6c)

371 So under Fredo this is what has happened:

1) Race War

2) War between the Senate and the CIA

3) War on our Allies

4) War all over the Middle East

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2014 01:35 PM (Zmw74)

372 All I know is tiny leather hoods are involved.

I wonder if a 'Falconer(?)' could train one to snatch Rand Paul's rug off his head?

Posted by: TVoC Hates All Politicians at December 09, 2014 01:35 PM (XzRw1)

373 Conjecture?

Mother fucker seemed pretty damned sure of what he was saying as its pretty well established that he is insider n�mero uno.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 09, 2014 01:36 PM (Oc3Dj)

374
I love Issa, and voted for him. He's doing yeoman's work. He doesn't have much power outside of holding hearings, but he's doing what he can, and doesn't use weasel words.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:30 PM (oKE6c)GOPcommittee term limits means he has to give up this chairmanship. I also read where he doesn't do much campaigning at home.Hasn't bought a yard sign since his first campaign. He's either incredibly popular orincredibly good at gerrymandering.

Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2014 01:37 PM (9KqcB)

375
I would kill to have a listen in to Gruber at the bar tonight.

"Yeah i just kept telling those fascists i was glib. Idiots thought they could touch me. Like i need to explain myself to the peasents. I AM GRUBTRON"

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 09, 2014 01:38 PM (/eTPT)

376
Subject Der Gruberfuhrer to multiple Uncle Buck v Drunken Clown moments...

http://youtu.be/UD0s8JkdVi0?t=1m21s

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 09, 2014 01:38 PM (/dvmK)

377
OK guess I need another lesson.

How the f-ck do we put in line breaks these days?

Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2014 01:38 PM (9KqcB)

378 Caller to C-Span excoriating, very articulately, Gruber an Tavener.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2014 01:40 PM (/GgDU)

379 370
The camera should've shown Gruber leaving. I bet he was walking kinda funny on his way out.

I bet swaggering his way out with $100 bills sticking out of his pockets. Suckah's!

Posted by: TVoC Hates All Politicians at December 09, 2014 01:41 PM (XzRw1)

380 GOPcommittee term limits means he has to give up
this chairmanship. I also read where he doesn't do much campaigning at
home.Hasn't bought a yard sign since his first campaign. He's either
incredibly popular orincredibly good at gerrymandering.

Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2014 01:37 PM (9KqcB)

He's very popular. This is a conservative area, although it's gradually becoming infested with liberals fleeing the beds they've crapped elsewhere.
Congressional districts are determined by a "non-partisan" committee that the Reds packed with ... undercover sympathizers. Kinda the way they swung party caucuses to Obongo in 2008.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:42 PM (oKE6c)

381 I bet swaggering his way out with $100 bills sticking out of his pockets. Suckah's!

Posted by: TVoC Hates All Politicians at December 09, 2014 01:41 PM (XzRw1)

I doubt it. No one enjoys a public reaming out like that, not even Bawney Fwank.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:43 PM (oKE6c)

382 I doubt it. No one enjoys a public reaming out like that, not even Bawney Fwank.

He doesn't give a crap. He got his millions and still thinks we're all rubes.

Posted by: Nap Brigade at December 09, 2014 01:45 PM (XzRw1)

383
He doesn't give a crap. He got his millions and still thinks we're all rubes.

Posted by: Nap Brigade at December 09, 2014 01:45 PM (XzRw1)

Sure, that's true, but it's no fun getting grilled like that. No fun whatsoever.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:47 PM (oKE6c)

384 Twitchy has a great tweet up "Body Parts Coming Off; Trey Gowdy questions Gruber"

Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2014 01:49 PM (6um35)

385
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2014 01:42 PM (oKE6c)

Ah, those "nonpartisan commissions." We talk about those in PA. Nothing is nonpartisan anymore.

Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2014 01:50 PM (9KqcB)

386 "Was he lying then, or is he lying now?"

Yes.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 09, 2014 01:50 PM (rwI+c)

387
Gruber presents an interesting question with this testimony. "Was he lying then, or is he lying now?"

---
I presume he is lying whenever he can be seen by the citizens of the nation. Behind closed doors, In Privo Veritas

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 09, 2014 01:56 PM (/eTPT)

388 Who do they think they are fooling?

Posted by: SarahW at December 09, 2014 01:59 PM (Lbv/k)

389
Gruber's overarching point about selling Obamacare is true: many if not most Americans are willfully, woefullyuninformed even when it comes to policies, programs,and legislation that directly affect their own lives, and it would be politically foolhardy not to exploit that ignorance.

It is my personal, tinfoil hat belief that our our public schoolsystems deliberately create students unable to reason or discern truth from falsehood.

Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2014 02:25 PM (OGbEB)

390
Presumably the videos were shot before an audience that wanted to hear just how awesome Obamacare would be, so why would he need to lie to those attending about how it was passed? Or about how awesome the legislation would be?
Seeing how most people's insurance rates are climbing and we are beginning to see what a giant turd the legislation turned out to be, it stands to reason that he was being truthful in the videos and is lying now.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 09, 2014 02:46 PM (6n332)

391 In other news SMOD may finally had enough: http://tinyurl.com/kw5rf3w

Posted by: bill-o at December 09, 2014 02:47 PM (ysSRI)

392 Couldn't the Committee use the IRS to look into Gruber's tax returns to see how much he made? Or is that only permitted against conservatives?

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Posted by: Peckerhead who got reamed by Trey Gowdy, today. at December 09, 2014 05:01 PM (t0iSk)

394 gruby

Posted by: ancestry dot commie at December 09, 2014 06:08 PM (3XHpE)

395 I just wish, that one time, ONE TIME, someone on the committiee (are you listening, Trey Gowdy?) would say, "Mr. Gruber, you are a lying piece of shit." Then walk down to the table, and kick his ass.

Posted by: CharlesT at December 09, 2014 07:59 PM (YZpSo)

396 Defending obolacare the main thing? Au contraire. THE ONLY THING..........

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