Friday Morning News Dump

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newsmax.com has

11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You

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3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

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11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 08:46 AM (IXrOn)

2 Morning, all.

Posted by: fluffy at December 05, 2014 08:48 AM (Ua6T/)

3 She's got a doll's eyes that Debbie Washerwoman-Schitz she do....


Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at December 05, 2014 08:48 AM (/4AZU)

4 blue flu in 5....4....3....2......1

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 94 days until Spring Training at December 05, 2014 08:49 AM (u8GsB)

5 Liberalism Is A Hoax

Yes. A good read.

And, like I stated in the last thread, I agree with the author's conclusion.

We are starting to see cracks, because we have other avenues for fighting back, namely, social media, and the web.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 08:49 AM (IXrOn)

6 Still not smelling bacon. Did we reform?

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 05, 2014 08:50 AM (g0ks+)

7 DeBlasio really making things dangerous by not supporting the police.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 05, 2014 08:50 AM (FS3xS)

8 Good morning, Morning Dump.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 05, 2014 08:51 AM (sdo6t)

9 There should be trigger warnings on that 'democrats lost the south' article. NYT, racist republicans. Democrat LBJ poor black folks civil rights champion

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 08:51 AM (JM/bJ)

10 7 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 05, 2014 08:50 AM (FS3xS)

New York is about to learn the price of folly....

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at December 05, 2014 08:51 AM (/4AZU)

11 DeBlasio and friends will do so much damage to NYC that it will take a hundred years to fix, much like Obama is doing to the country.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 08:52 AM (JM/bJ)

12 Sony Hack Worse Than Thought

For some reason, I don't really care about this.

So many Americans have had their identities stolen, and it's a nightmare for them. And endless nightmare. There is little help for them.

Now, the elite get hacked and it's newsworthy. It's sad that it might just take elite hacking to get something done.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 08:53 AM (IXrOn)

13 blue flu in 5....4....3....2......1
Posted by: phoenixgirl



Perfect cover? The shot is ineffective for this year's strain.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 08:53 AM (qbJnm)

14 Death is a fearful thing also needs trigger warnings.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 08:53 AM (JM/bJ)

15
Hello again, and I'm sorry for being OT all the time but being a special snowflake from Down Here I do have rights! ///

Some more great photography...an outback dust storm in Queensland

http://goo.gl/Lmm0su

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 08:53 AM (U+r+e)

16 Saw William Bratton on Morning Joe - couldn't stand to watch much, but he mentioned that cops are a little bit pissed off about all being painted as racist killers and an occupying force. Ya think?
I could say the same thing about conservatives/Tea Party types being tired of being painted as bigots and domestic terrorists. But this is Obama's America - where only her own citizens are considered enemies of the state.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 08:53 AM (ABcz/)

17 GWB Probe Finds No Link To Chris Christie




WHY SHOULD FACTS MATTER?
-Al Sharpton

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 08:55 AM (qbJnm)

18 Morning morons. What a nice early dump.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at December 05, 2014 08:55 AM (F2IAQ)

19 I wish I had a trillion dollars.

You could build a moon colony and a Mars colony for that.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 08:55 AM (JM/bJ)

20 heh

MSNBC's Wagner: Obama No Dictator . . . Compared to Kim Jong Un

newsbusters.org

yeah, she really argued this

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 08:57 AM (IXrOn)

21 "http://goo.gl/Lmm0su"


Aussie, you don't need to apologize for shit. You be bringing the pics today.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 05, 2014 08:57 AM (sdo6t)

22 19 I wish I had a trillion dollars.

You could build a moon colony and a Mars colony for that.
Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pi

Throw me $50K I would pay off some debt and never be seen again.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at December 05, 2014 08:57 AM (F2IAQ)

23 Wagner probably said Hitler was not really a Fuhrer either.

Cue Ride of the Valkyries.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 08:57 AM (7f5Ol)

24 Very cool, aussie! Well, more fun to look at than experience, I imagine.
My so loved the Christmas Island crabs pic, BTW.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 08:58 AM (ABcz/)

25 Saw William Bratton on Morning Joe - couldn't stand to watch much, but he mentioned that cops are a little bit pissed off about all being painted as racist killers and an occupying force. Ya think?

I could say the same thing about conservatives/Tea Party types gun owners being tired of being painted as bigots and domestic terrorists.


Fixed for perspective.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 08:58 AM (qbJnm)

26
Despite Buzzfeed's Best Efforts, Uber Valued At 40 Billion


Tech Bubble II: The Obama-ning

Posted by: --- at December 05, 2014 08:58 AM (MMC8r)

27 RE: Wisconsin....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THAT is how you get it done, Horde! "Oh no, we're not going to do that...don't be silly, that's a distraction...we won? OK then, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 08:59 AM (DT3rQ)

28 21 "http://goo.gl/Lmm0su"


Aussie, you don't need to apologize for shit. You be bringing the pics today.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 05, 2014 08:57 AM (sdo6t

Incredible photos, I guess you don't hang the laundry out to dry on those days.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at December 05, 2014 08:59 AM (F2IAQ)

29 Truth? Ain't nobody got time for that!

Posted by: Eleanor Holmes-Norton at December 05, 2014 08:59 AM (6moB1)

30 @fenelon, since you inquired.

"I have something else to do and can't go. "
Sounds like a perfect response.

BTW I suspect a lot of people of goodwill are resisting the race-bait being thrown around.

Posted by: Aunt Ralph at December 05, 2014 09:00 AM (6VG2o)

31 Throw me $50K I would pay off some debt and never be seen again.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian



Throw me $25mil and I'd never be seen OR heard from again.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 09:00 AM (qbJnm)

32 27 RE: Wisconsin....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
-----------------

What the new proposed right to work laws?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at December 05, 2014 09:00 AM (F2IAQ)

33 Early morning math.

$1 trillion / 350 million = $$$$

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 09:01 AM (7f5Ol)

34 >>>I wish I had a trillion dollars.

I'd buy you a fur coat
but not a real fur coat
thats crool

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:01 AM (3ZtZW)

35 >>Fixed for perspective.

Yup - could add a lot more to that list, huh?

Quick update on the 4 Denver cops struck by a car while protecting special snowflake HS protesters marching down the middle of a major street: apparently some of them cheered and chanted "Hit them again!"
This is what our public schools are producing - teens who cheer the near death of others while they lay (lie?) bleeding in the street?
Disgusting.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 09:02 AM (ABcz/)

36
21 Ricardo Kill

Thanks, it's ONT time here for me!And I always feel a little bit like I'm intruding into serious daytime stuff while I'm here in my PJs sipping wine and realxing

Down Here it is Saturday just after 1am..

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 09:02 AM (U+r+e)

37 RE: Wisconsin....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THAT is how you get it done, Horde! "Oh no, we're not going to do that...don't be silly, that's a distraction...we won? OK then, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 08:59 AM (DT3rQ)



Yeah, and here's to hoping Walker really is downplaying this on purpose. Smart fella if so. That is exactly how I would play it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:04 AM (IXrOn)

38 aussie, some of us are still in pjs, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 09:04 AM (ABcz/)

39 Good mornin', fappers! Happy Friday!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:04 AM (2Ojst)

40
This is what our public schools are producing - teens who cheer the near death of others while they lay (lie?) bleeding in the street?


Many of these 'protestors' are exhibiting the same qualities that got St. Trayvon and St. Swisher shot to death.

But, of course, it's everyone else's fault.

Posted by: --- at December 05, 2014 09:04 AM (MMC8r)

41 >>>11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You

Great! None of this has any bearing on what I'm concerned about and is thus useless trivia.

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:04 AM (3ZtZW)

42 223 protesters arrested last night in NYC.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 09:05 AM (JM/bJ)

43 I find it interesting that the President and his smarty pants team at State think it's terrible for Jews to live in Jerusalem, but think it's perfectly logical for a horde of illegals from Central America to take up residence here.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 05, 2014 09:06 AM (g0ks+)

44
Yeah, and here's to hoping Walker really is downplaying this on purpose. Smart fella if so. That is exactly how I would play it.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:04 AM (IXrOn)

Yeah he's been coy about this. My money says if it hits his desk he signs it.

Well morons. Must go on my travels and make everyone happy. Yeah, right like thats going to happen.

Happy Saturday Aussie, enjoy your own ONT!!

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at December 05, 2014 09:06 AM (F2IAQ)

45 "Want to Limit Use of Police Force? Limit the State"

I've been saying that for quite a while now:

http://tinyurl.com/kh6j3kl

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 05, 2014 09:07 AM (YYJjz)

46 "
Throw me $50K I would pay off some debt and never be seen again."


No shit. Watch me become a ghost.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 05, 2014 09:08 AM (sdo6t)

47 Hey there.

The WaPo has a little thingie (sorry to get all technical) that tells you how R or D your neighborhood is. House, Senate and state offices.

Mine came back at 83%. All but one Senator is R.

I wonder if it will be updated Saturday night...

Tee hee hee.

http://tinyurl.com/lyycngs

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 05, 2014 09:08 AM (0xTsz)

48 NY Daily News : White Cop shoots unarmed black man

http://tinyurl.com/ogdelgu

"witness accounts vary"

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 09:09 AM (JM/bJ)

49 Fenelon- My two cents worth; you have to ask yourself why you are afraid that someone will think you are a racist. This is the barrel that the left has us over, if we let them. There is both risk and reward in stating your views with a clear conscience. Only you can make the call on when and how you do that.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 05, 2014 09:09 AM (52Rhl)

50
24 Lizzy

Hi and I'm so glad your son liked this crab pics - BTW Christmas Island is where our illegal immigrants ended up (during the previous Government)

Much to the disgust of bleeding heart lefties who want them all here in mainland OZ right now with no checks or anything

Not that there any more boats arriving - illegals coming by boat - no more, thanks to this Government's Operation Sovereign Borders

One did arrive from Sri Lanka the other day , all but one illegal back in Sri Lanka and the one who could be maybe classed as a refugee didn't like the idea of being resettled in Nauru or Papua New Giunea and apparently flew back to Sri Lanka yesterday

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 09:10 AM (U+r+e)

51 4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.
I knew I shouldn't a dressed up as Mike Brown for Halloween.

Posted by: zombie eric garner at December 05, 2014 09:10 AM (2ZvEW)

52 Throw me $500k and it would go into my retirement plan, which would commence as soon as the check cleared the bank.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 05, 2014 09:11 AM (g0ks+)

53 >>>>I've been saying that for quite a while now:

Ever get the feeling that you've been saying the same crap day in, day out for decades and nothing has come of it? That everything is on autopilot?

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:11 AM (3ZtZW)

54

Fox Heats Up: Megyn Kelly #1 in November; Bret Baier Beats ABC In Five Big Cities

Their TV Newser blog also reported big news for Megyn Kelly. In November, for the first time ever, The Kelly File was the number one show on cable in the coveted 25-to-54 demographic. "The last time a host other than Bill O'Reilly has won the demo was in Oct. 2012, when the 10pmET hour, which included presidential debates, was No. 1."


newsbusters.org

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:11 AM (IXrOn)

55 Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:04 AM (3ZtZW)

It's that "Choose sides" thing over and over again.

You're either with the cops or for anarchy in the streets don'tcha know.

I'm tired of it.

Nuance is fucking everywhere, people need to get use to it. Otherwise it's going to bun just because we're babbling at each other rather than having a real conversation.

Strike that, I'll burn because we're fundamentally incapable of having a real conversation. We stopped being adults some time ago.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:11 AM (HDwDg)

56 In one of today's Canadian newspapers...

One-third of Canadians are sexually assaulted in the workplace.

Seriously.......one-third.

And the editorial talked about how 40,000 people die every year because of income inequality. Are they suicidal or is their envy of the most successful resulting in fatal illnesses that are killing them? Why is someone else's success and good fortune responsible for the poor health of the poor?

Poverty and lack of social mobility kill 40,000 people a year. We should eliminate all government support programs that program people to think that someone else will take care of them. We should also eliminate 90% of government workers, rules and regulations to promote jobs and social mobility.

And a 20% total federal and local combined tax rate is a human right!!!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 05, 2014 09:12 AM (AC0lD)

57 "NYC Thongs lead protesters demonstrators.. . "

Wait, let me check that, might be a typo.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 09:13 AM (JM/bJ)

58 I don't care how much money you give me I'll just hang around like a bad penny and ask for moar.

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:13 AM (3ZtZW)

59 NY Daily News : White Cop shoots unarmed black man


Meanwhile, in Chicago...

Posted by: --- at December 05, 2014 09:14 AM (MMC8r)

60 45
"Want to Limit Use of Police Force? Limit the State"


In NY? Unpossible.


Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 05, 2014 09:14 AM (XzRw1)

61 The Barrel hungers this morning.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 09:14 AM (7f5Ol)

62 That sidebar story about Hootie singing "White Christmas"...

I give up. I just give up. I can't take it anymore.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 05, 2014 09:14 AM (Y5I9o)

63

o_O

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (IXrOn)

64 One-third of Canadians are sexually assaulted in the workplace.
Seriously.......one-third.



Define "sexually assaulted". Does that include looks and glances? Off color jokes? Made to feel uncomfortable?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (qbJnm)

65 You're either with the cops or for anarchy in the streets don'tcha know.

I'm tired of it.

Very much this. I really am tired of the Manichaean way this gets framed. There really are those out there who think every cop order is lawful, every arrest good, every use of force justified, and if you disagree you want blood in the streets. You can support "law and order" while being critical of police actions and wanting your Constitutional civil rights to be observed, defended and protected. It is not lawlessness to do so - in fact, quite the opposite.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (2Ojst)

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (2Ojst)

67 Hah!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (2Ojst)

68 "Throw me $50K I would pay off some debt and never be seen again."


That's what I have payed into the US social security system from my time in the US. It's nice to contribute to something bigger than myself.......

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (AC0lD)

69 >>>It's that "Choose sides" thing over and over again.

Like that sage Aimee Mann sez: "Its not going to stop til you wise up, so just give up"

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (3ZtZW)

70 Suck it, Barrel!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:16 AM (2Ojst)

71 Where you are right now is 100 percent Democratic.

Sigh

Posted by: Jean at December 05, 2014 09:16 AM (TETYm)

72 Crap.

Posted by: --- at December 05, 2014 09:16 AM (MMC8r)

73 One-third of Canadians are sexually assaulted in the workplace. Seriously.......one-third. Define "sexually assaulted". Does that include looks and glances? Off color jokes? Made to feel uncomfortable?
Posted by: rickb223

In retrospect, the "rolling around in maple syrup and let's pretend we're waffles (I'll bring the butter)" was a tad much

Posted by: Dudly Dooright RCMP at December 05, 2014 09:17 AM (Spluw)

74 Define "sexually assaulted". Does that include looks and glances? Off color jokes? Made to feel uncomfortable?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (qbJnm)

Apparently thinking that any coworker might remotely find you fapworthy. It's disturbing how the rape meme has crossed the border. It's like all of Western media co-operates somehow.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 05, 2014 09:18 AM (AC0lD)

75 Reggie Love wrote a book.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 09:18 AM (JM/bJ)

76 That sidebar story about Hootie singing "White Christmas"...

I give up. I just give up. I can't take it anymore.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 05, 2014 09:14 AM (Y5I9o)



It's good he didn't respond, but if I had, I would have said, something to the effect of:

How did you NOT KNOW that the "white" in White Christmas was about snow?

Really, now did you NOT KNOW THAT?

Ahahahaha!

You really are dumb.


Mock them senselessly until they have to admit who they really are.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:18 AM (IXrOn)

77 >>>>You can support "law and order" while being critical of police actions and wanting your Constitutional civil rights to be observed, defended and protected.

At the end, *everybody* is supposed to go home safely - even if its 20 years later for somebody involved.

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:18 AM (3ZtZW)

78 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:11 AM (HDwDg)

I've always said that every event is subject to the nuances present thus comparisons to other events or expected outcomes are not really possible. Every action has to stand on its own set of facts no matter how similar.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 09:19 AM (014lE)

79 I take one exception to the JWF article. Steve Beshear (Gov, Ky, D) is not a man to be overlooked.


He's a Dem, no doubt, but he's a hell of a lot closer to Harold Ford than DWS. If the DNC listens to him, they will do better in the South and Midwest.


But they won't ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 09:19 AM (GoNER)

80 Apparently thinking that any coworker might remotely find you fapworthy. It's disturbing how the rape meme has crossed the border. It's like all of Western media co-operates somehow.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel

We don't give a shit about the Yazdi women being raped right now, if that helps.

Posted by: MFM at December 05, 2014 09:19 AM (Spluw)

81 Sony Hack Reportedly Includes 47,000 Social Security Numbers

Pretty soon it'll be like elections. You better hustle to be the first "you" that shows up and asks for a check.

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2014 09:19 AM (FcR7P)

82 One-third of Canadians are sexually assaulted in the workplace. Seriously.......one-third. Define "sexually assaulted". Does that include looks and glances? Off color jokes? Made to feel uncomfortable?

Any sense of flirting, I bet.

And, if we're talking Quebec, the men were probably "hurt" the most. Such sensitive metro's.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:20 AM (IXrOn)

83 Blurgh.

Writing, writing, writing, writing, writing, writing, writing.

Work is sucking until Christmas break.

Just glad I have work, and nice pay.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at December 05, 2014 09:20 AM (FA3Z7)

84 Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:15 AM (3ZtZW)

I have no hope the nation will wise up anymore.

It's burning here, maybe the burning wont' spread.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:20 AM (HDwDg)

85 What makes Wisconsin even sweeter is that it's more or less the cradle of the American Progressive movement. Wiping them out in their cradle? Awesome!

Because it means we can beat them everywhere, if we try.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 09:21 AM (DT3rQ)

86 4 days and counting till my triple bypass. How lucky am I.

Posted by: wrg500 at December 05, 2014 09:21 AM (sgrzZ)

87 I'm re-reading the book of Revelation. Interesting stuff.

Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 05, 2014 09:21 AM (XzRw1)

88
You have seen our lovable little koalas haven't you?

Sweet furry creatures...a bit smelly but so cute

Howe ver should you be walking your doggie out in the bush, watch out for a koala attack...you might need stitches

http://goo.gl/Q3olwV

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 09:21 AM (U+r+e)

89 Why was the African-American, Female supervisor who was on-site given immunity and the White, Male cop left to swing alone? There's your only racism, why aren't we protesting?

Posted by: Jean at December 05, 2014 09:22 AM (TETYm)

90 I assume the leftist rag, the Toronto Star, quoting a leftist lobby group about how saying "nice dress" is mind-rape!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 05, 2014 09:22 AM (2ZvEW)

91 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:22 AM (M1uf/)

92 What makes Wisconsin even sweeter is that it's more or less the cradle of the American Progressive movement. Wiping them out in their cradle? Awesome!

Because it means we can beat them everywhere, if we try.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 09:21 AM (DT3rQ)


Aye.

The only thing in our way is the GOP at this point. heh.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:22 AM (IXrOn)

93 Just think, tomorrow we find out how badly Mary Landrieu is sent packing. And whether Edwin Edwards will become a member of the House of Representatives.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 09:22 AM (7f5Ol)

94
44 MH

Thanks and hello from this parallel ONT in another time zone...

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 09:23 AM (U+r+e)

95 You have seen our lovable little koalas haven't you?

First off, I happen to know that Everything In Australia is trying to kill you.

Secondly, aren't those the animals that are endangered in part because they're too lazy to breed?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:23 AM (M1uf/)

96 Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 09:19 AM (014lE

That may have been true at some point, but these days each side just seems to go "how can I frame the facts to push my own agenda."

It's not a right vs. left thing, it's an everyone thing. I'm sick and tired of it.

I'm going to have to go through a fucking race war and a 3rd great white flight (which I can't afford right now) because someone decided we can't all agree that situations are complicated.

Thanks Postmodernism!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:23 AM (HDwDg)

97 Stop RAPING me with your unwelcome male gaze!!!

Posted by: Canadian Worker at December 05, 2014 09:23 AM (ABcz/)

98 85 ... if we try.

We're unfamiliar with this concept. Can you expand?

Posted by: GOP at December 05, 2014 09:23 AM (XzRw1)

99 people.com

Jon Stewart imagines life married to Angelina Jolie.

http://tinyurl.com/mvstwh7

Trigger warning for all the gooeyness.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 09:24 AM (JM/bJ)

100 It's disturbing how the rape meme has crossed the border.
Canadian leftists have never had an original idea ever. Before WW2 they aped the European left and after the American left. Reading the NYT is their source for original thought.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 05, 2014 09:24 AM (2ZvEW)

101 4 days and counting till my triple bypass. How lucky am I.
Posted by: wrg500

Praying for a successful procedure and speedy recovery.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 05, 2014 09:24 AM (g0ks+)

102 Secondly, aren't those the animals that are endangered in part because they're too lazy to breed?


Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:23 AM (M1uf/)


I thought that was the current generation of Japanese males?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:24 AM (HDwDg)

103 Can anyone locate the text of Obamas aledged executive amnesty orders?

Apparently there's been nothing filed or submitted to the national archives and nothing posted on white houses site.

Has this admimistrations lawlessness reached a new level?

Posted by: Kreplach at December 05, 2014 09:24 AM (RdW4K)

104 Howe ver should you be walking your doggie out in the bush, watch out for a koala attack...you might need stitches

And you keep trying to tell me drop bears are a myth...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 09:24 AM (DT3rQ)

105 35 million Canadians. Assume half are in the work force, so roughly 15 million. Roughly half are women, so 7.5 million. One third are assaulted, so 2.5 million. That calculates to about five sexual assaults per minute all day every day year around.

My conclusion? Canadians are as horny as bunnies.

My solution? Midnight hockey programs for the yoots.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 05, 2014 09:25 AM (52Rhl)

106 You have seen our lovable little koalas haven't you?

Sweet furry creatures...a bit smelly but so cute

Howe ver should you be walking your doggie out in the bush, watch out for a koala attack...you might need stitches

http://goo.gl/Q3olwV
Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 09:21 AM (U+r+e)



hehe

Reminds me of a beautiful woman scorned...

*ducks*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:25 AM (IXrOn)

107 The Canadian thing is weird ... just because I found the Canadian chics to be much more forward than here.


I guess shit changes in ten years.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 09:25 AM (GoNER)

108 >>Howe ver should you be walking your doggie out in the bush, watch out for a koala attack...you might need stitches

And penicillin, right? Don't about 80% of them have syphilis or some other STD? Ick.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 09:26 AM (ABcz/)

109 TVoC: "I'm re-reading the book of Revelation. Interesting stuff."

Let us know off you get any grand new insights.

Especially anything that would help with the next two apocalyptic years!

Posted by: mindful webworker in tinfoil chapeau at December 05, 2014 09:26 AM (SrXsf)

110 Can anyone locate the text of Obamas aledged executive amnesty orders?

Apparently there's been nothing filed or submitted to the national archives and nothing posted on white houses site.

Has this admimistrations lawlessness reached a new level?

Posted by: Kreplach at December 05, 2014 09:24 AM (RdW4K)


You see what they did there?

You can only impeach the low level fruit.

TFG keeping his hands clean. Mafia Boss Ltd.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:26 AM (IXrOn)

111 Canadians are as horny as bunnies.


Not much else to do when you live in a frozen tundra.




Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 09:26 AM (GQ8sn)

112 103
Can anyone locate the text of Obamas aledged executive amnesty orders?

I've got a copy right here.

Posted by: John Boehner at December 05, 2014 09:26 AM (XzRw1)

113 >>>I have no hope the nation will wise up anymore.

See, I think it'll take a shift in narrative where somebody, probably Hollywood types, promulgate the idea that TPTB profit through their strategy of keeping the races apart and in tension. That cannot come from the parties or the MSM, so who else could do it? Anyway, I see that as the first necessary but insufficient step.

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:26 AM (3ZtZW)

114 I went into a mild rant at the news last night. I am so tired of hearing what a racist society we live in. I went to a segregated grade school in Oklahoma City in the 50s. So I personally know what utter BS it is to say that things are worse now. They aren't. When you call people racists long enough, the word loses its power. If you say that only black cops can police black communities, then you are calling for segregation. A better response is to dial back all these stupid laws and regulations that involve the government in our lives.

If I were an NY elected official, I would repeal the law making it illegal to sell single cigarettes. It's a small start. Keep decriminalizing things. Let cops deal with crime. Citizens in this country are desperate to live their lives without government intrusion.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 05, 2014 09:27 AM (Lqy/e)

115 Koalas Japanese, is there is a difference?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 09:27 AM (7f5Ol)

116
86 wrg500

Best wishes, and I hope all goes very well for you!

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 09:27 AM (U+r+e)

117 >>>I'm re-reading the book of Revelation. Interesting stuff.

Ever read DH Lawrence's essay on it? Different kind of view.

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:28 AM (3ZtZW)

118 Yes the NYT can write an article about the demise of the Democratic Party in the South without mentioning Senator Tim Scott (R-SC)

Posted by: tmitsss at December 05, 2014 09:28 AM (1nj96)

119 4 days and counting till my triple bypass. How lucky am I.
Posted by: wrg500



Keep calm and stay healthy beforehand.
It will be fine.

Hopefully you have friends and family surrounding you.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:28 AM (IXrOn)

120 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:23 AM (HDwDg)

I agree with you . The consequences you point out are more important but I see it here all the time regard to our internal political disagreements .

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 09:28 AM (014lE)

121 Howe ver should you be walking your doggie out in the bush, watch out for a koala attack...you might need stitches

A koala ate my baby's dingo.

Posted by: Lindy Chamberlain at December 05, 2014 09:28 AM (zF6Iw)

122 I have a friend who says she's conservative but is all for Edwin Edwards winning because "no one loves Louisiana like he does or has done more for the state." *Head desk*

Posted by: no good deed at December 05, 2014 09:29 AM (w3a0Z)

123 Before WW2 they aped the European left and after the American left. Reading the NYT is their source for original thought.
Posted by: andycanuck
Such south of the borders things are wild and exotic.

Posted by: Walter from Bonavista Bay at December 05, 2014 09:29 AM (Spluw)

124 Decriminalization ain't going to happen, because MOST people actually support criminalizing behavior they don't approve of ... even if the crime is relatively victimless.


The Progressives do not have a lock on that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 09:29 AM (GoNER)

125 Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:26 AM (3ZtZW

Considering Hollywood is one of the groups profiting from that, I don't really see it.

As I said days ago, the only thing that gives me hope is that as Ferguson was burning (and I don't mean that as hyperbole, I mean the same damned night) just about 15 miles away I was at the grocery store, Whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. all just going about their days trying to get stuff done.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:30 AM (HDwDg)

126 Uh....yeah, a koala scratched me.

On the dong....


And inside my bunghole....



Yeah.

Posted by: Guy at Australian Sex Clinic at December 05, 2014 09:31 AM (KBvAm)

127 Only 83% Dem here in WA state! We're holding the line.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 05, 2014 09:31 AM (Lqy/e)

128 Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 09:28 AM (014lE

I just wish I had had enough sense years back to buy property in St. Charles. It's going to see a sudden uptick in value I suspect during White Flight 3.0.

Thankfully I'm far enough west I don't see my value falling, but it'd have been nice to ride the wave upwards for once.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:32 AM (HDwDg)

129

Mooch Preaching Class Warfare: "Small Number" Of Students Sucking Up "Every Advantage"...

weaselzippers.com

She never shuts up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:32 AM (IXrOn)

130 64 Define "sexually assaulted". Does that include looks and glances? Off color jokes? Made to feel uncomfortable?
===========================

let's not forget telepathic rape.

Posted by: MTF at December 05, 2014 09:32 AM (6um35)

131 How many Trayvons did Eric garner Weigh at the time of his murder?

If the Eric Garner Express leaves Grand Central Station at 10:15, and The St. Michael Brown Freight Train leaves Ferguson Station at 11:00, at what time will they meet in a hail of racist White cop bullets in Whiteytown?

In Racial Grievance Mathmatics the set of Jeremy and Kyleigh Crane are equal to exactly zero.

Posted by: Eleanor Holmes-Norton, Common Core Math Teacher at December 05, 2014 09:33 AM (6moB1)

132
95 AllenG

Not everything wants to kill you here - like I promise my kitties would never ever attack you should you appear here...

Koalas are endangered because

1. They only eat some particular eucalyptus leaves - nothing else will do

2. Unfortunately these special eucalyptus trees are often found in areas being developed for human settlement

3. They are susceptible to a koala form of chlamydia - but I did read lately that a cure/antidote was being developed

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 09:33 AM (U+r+e)

133 From the Wisconsin article:
"Right to work is bad for everybody, no matter how you slice it."

Hmm...

Apparently this schumck has never heard of Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:33 AM (M1uf/)

134
So, there was this:

HotAir: Why I did the Daily Show by Jazz Shaw

Why did I do it? I know Jon Stewart is in the running for the most liberal person on television and he is widely despised in conservative circles. But Ive been watching the Daily Show since it was first on the air. Ive always been able to separate the politics from the comedy in entertainment and have always loved the show. How could I turn down the chance?

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/04/why-i-did-the-daily-show/


Executive Summary

"I'm standing up in the moon-roof of a limo and living my dream. Wheee!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 09:33 AM (kdS6q)

135 If I were an NY elected official, I would repeal the law making it illegal to sell single cigarettes. It's a small start. Keep decriminalizing things. Let cops deal with crime. Citizens in this country are desperate to live their lives without government intrusion.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

And store owners might like to be able to operate without street criminals setting up business in front of their store. This is no different from SF with bums. Decriminalizing bums and shitting in the streets may be libertarian, but no one wants to step over drunks to shop.

Does it matter if he was selling single cigarettes, genuine fake rolex watches or the deed to the Brooklyn bridge? he'd still be a fat, violent street criminal (repeat offender) with a criminal history dating 34 years.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 09:34 AM (Spluw)

136 4 days and counting till my triple bypass. How lucky am I.
Posted by: wrg500

Keep calm and CABG on. Seriously, thoughts and prayers for you.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:34 AM (2Ojst)

137 Alright everyone, in your places. We have a long day of frenzied rage-infused emotional overreactions travelling through rarified heights of giddines to bone-crushing abysses of despair and we can't afford to lose any time.

"SCOAMF!!!!"
"GOPe!!!!!!!"
"ROVE!!!!!"
WAAAUUUGHHHH!!!!!!"

Now that warm-ups are over with get on with it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 05, 2014 09:34 AM (hLRSq)

138 Mooch Preaching Class Warfare: "Small Number" Of Students Sucking Up "Every Advantage"

Pull Salmonella and Malaria from Sidwell Friends and ship 'em off to P.S. Whoosit. There we go, all equal.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 09:35 AM (ZKzrr)

139 I have a friend who says she's conservative but is all for Edwin Edwards winning because "no one loves Louisiana like he does or has done more for the state." *Head desk*

Posted by: no good deed at December 05, 2014 09:29 AM (w3a0Z)


Edwin Edwards is the perfect example of media bias for Dim politicians.

He's just a "lovable rogue', a "scamp" - sure, he's a corrupt, money-grubbing politician, but-

he's so darn cute and rascally that you just gotta love him.


And anyway, can you blame him for skimming a little off the top when he does so-o-o-o much for us?


Posted by: naturalfake at December 05, 2014 09:35 AM (KBvAm)

140 >>> 122 I have a friend who says she's conservative but is all for Edwin Edwards winning because "no one loves Louisiana like he does or has done more for the state." *Head desk*

Isn't he older than Jerry Brown?

Posted by: fluffy at December 05, 2014 09:35 AM (Ua6T/)

141 Great! A Debbie Wasserman Schultz link!!


Well, time to go look for Jewish porn...

Everyone have a great day! War on Women 2014!!!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 05, 2014 09:36 AM (AC0lD)

142 >>>>WAAAUUUGHHHH!!!!!!"

Izzat the 'Lucy and football' waaauuugh or the 'spittle-flecked hatesquirt' one?

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:36 AM (3ZtZW)

143 129

Mooch Preaching Class Warfare: "Small Number" Of Students Sucking Up "Every Advantage"...

weaselzippers.com

She never shuts up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:32 AM (IXrOn)


I take it she doesn't mean blacks and DREAMers.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:36 AM (2Ojst)

144 It's disturbing how the rape meme has crossed the border.


Payback for that Margaret Atwood theocracy concubine shit?

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 09:37 AM (ZKzrr)

145
104 Brother Cavil

New species of killer koalas

Get you at ground level....because you are looking up watching out for the drop bears (evolution in action )

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 09:37 AM (U+r+e)

146 Hmm...

Apparently this schumck has never heard of Texas.


Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:33 AM (M1uf/)



I always found it hilarious that my cousin, who spent several years getting screwed over by union seniority has a "right to work is a rip off" bumper sticker.

I asked him how well that "3 weeks on, then back to the UE line" was working for him.
He's been so brainwashed he thinks it's going well.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:37 AM (HDwDg)

147 Apparently this schumck has never heard of Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:33 AM (M1uf/)



Florida is Right to Work as well.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 05, 2014 09:37 AM (da5Wo)

148 Heather ... that's actually a fantastic idea.


The Ruling Class won't go for that shit, and I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but it's a damn good idea.


And a great example of the current problem.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 09:38 AM (GoNER)

149 Why don't people on the Daily Show tape the full interview themselves.

He was interviewed 2 1/2 hours for a 5 minute segment -- and they only used a few seconds of his interview cause he didn't say anything helpfully stupid.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 09:38 AM (ZPrif)

150 no joke

By recent historic standards, Obama is starting to test the ceiling for putting friends and campaign supporters in U.S. diplomatic posts. Altogether, 35 percent of Obama's assignments so far have gone to political people. But in his second term, the number has grown to 41 percent according to research by the American Foreign Service Association, the union representing career diplomats that would like more strict enforcement of a 1980 law that says campaign donations may not be considered a qualification for any foreign posting.

instapundit 8:00 am

I repeat would like more strict enforcement of a 1980 law that says campaign donations may not be considered a qualification for any foreign posting

lol

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:38 AM (IXrOn)

151 4 days and counting till my triple bypass. How lucky am I.

Posted by: wrg500


Prayers for you.

But in a way you are lucky. Twenty-five years ago they probably wouldn't have caught whatever's wrong with your ticker until you were dead.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:38 AM (M1uf/)

152 Edwin Edwards only served seven years in the Federal stir.

If he gets elected, he will join Alcee Hasting in a very select group. Democrats who are convicted felons serving in the House.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 09:39 AM (7f5Ol)

153 From the Wisconsin article:"Right to work is bad for everybody, no matter how you slice it."WTF?

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 05, 2014 09:39 AM (Spluw)

154 Edwards is over 80 but he does have a relatively young wife. He's like Strom Thurmond that way.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 09:39 AM (014lE)

155 Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 09:34 AM (Spluw)

SIDES MUST BE CHOSEN!

WAR!

ENEMY!
EXTERMINATE!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:39 AM (HDwDg)

156 "The St. Michael Brown Freight Train leaves Ferguson Station at 11:00...."


We don't name freight trains after saints. It should be the St Michael Brown freedom express passenger liner. Every car will be a smoker.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 05, 2014 09:39 AM (g0ks+)

157 Repubs do need to make Right to Work the law everywhere they control. No idea why they wouldn't. It helps us and hurts the structural advantages the Left has. Win-win.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 09:40 AM (ZPrif)

158 >>>But in a way you are lucky. Twenty-five years ago they probably wouldn't have caught whatever's wrong with your ticker until you were dead.

And in 5 years they'd write you off as a waste of resources

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:40 AM (3ZtZW)

159 SIDES MUST BE CHOSEN?

Posted by: Rev Al at December 05, 2014 09:40 AM (da5Wo)

160 I always found it hilarious that my cousin, who spent several years
getting screwed over by union seniority has a "right to work is a rip
off" bumper sticker.


My liberalest brother calls it "right to get fired."

Which, in a sense, it is.

He fails to make the connection between that and my (no college degree) six-figure salary.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (M1uf/)

161 >>Payback for that Margaret Atwood theocracy concubine shit?

*snort*

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (ABcz/)

162 today my older girl has to go outside of her comfort zone...she has been summoned to talk to the r.a.director of her dorm about her roommate who should never been allowed in student housing in the first place. when i dropped her back off at school sunday, once again, police cars were parked outside her building....my daughter...said....they are in my room...i just know it....and she was right....it's the fourth time since school started that she knows of that the police have been in her room....once would have been too many....but 4 times? twice for thoughts of self harming, once for a false sexual attack claim and the last time for slicing up her arm no where near a vein.....

what my daughter says will be a determining factor as to whether or not he roommate returns after the winter break.

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 94 days until Spring Training at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (u8GsB)

163 Saw some footage of demonstrators holding a coffin symbolizing Garner' s death. It occurred to me that it was rather undersized for a man of his considerable bulk. Does that make me a bad person? Or merely practical?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (52Rhl)

164 And store owners might like to be able to operate without street criminals setting up business in front of their store.

A regular, pre-tax cash disbursement to your local Italian American social club used to solve this crap without all the hoopla.

Posted by: Jean at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (TETYm)

165 Now that warm-ups are over with get on with it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs!


/screams battlecry

/hurls toaster at Mikey NTH

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (DT3rQ)

166 Alright everyone, in your places. We have a long day of frenzied rage-infused emotional overreactions travelling through rarified heights of giddines to bone-crushing abysses of despair and we can't afford to lose any time.

"SCOAMF!!!!"
"GOPe!!!!!!!"
"ROVE!!!!!"
WAAAUUUGHHHH!!!!!!"

Now that warm-ups are over with get on with it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 05, 2014 09:34 AM (hLRSq)



You missed on.

*chant*I can't breathe!*chant*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (IXrOn)

167
And then, there was this:

The Labor Department announced that a new rule required to implement President Obamas executive order banning workplace discrimination against LGBT employees is now final, reports the Washington Blade. Once this final rule is published, it will become effective 120 days later and apply to federal contracts entered into or modified on or after that date.

The Labor Department has published Frequently Asked Questions for the final rule, known as EO 13672 Final Rule.

http://www.dol.gov/ofccp/LGBT/LGBT_FAQs.html

Now, don't you feel better having your F-35 inspected by a guy in a dress?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 09:42 AM (kdS6q)

168 what my daughter says will be a determining factor as to whether or not he roommate returns after the winter break.

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 94 days until Spring Training at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (u8GsB)



Wow....she sounds crazy!

Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 09:42 AM (GQ8sn)

169 the Daily Disaster is the only way to convince Democrats not to tolerate Progressives. Today, nationally, its the turn of voters who care about Israel. And, in NYC, its the turn for people who vaguely thought it would be cool to elect a Sandanista Occupy Mayor.


I'm kind of enjoying the spectacle.

Posted by: MTF at December 05, 2014 09:42 AM (6um35)

170 Yeah, BC, I know lots of places are Right to Work. However, since I live in TX, that's the first one that jumped out at me. Especially since we're the ones who looked at everyone else's recession and said, "No, thank you."

(Which is not to say the economy didn't take a hit here, but it certainly wasn't as bad as the rest of the nation.)

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:43 AM (M1uf/)

171 I think Edwards is almost ninety.

Posted by: no good deed at December 05, 2014 09:43 AM (w3a0Z)

172 today my older girl has to go outside of her comfort zone...she has been summoned to talk to the r.a.director of her dorm about her roommate who should never been allowed in student housing in the first place. when i dropped her back off at school sunday, once again, police cars were parked outside her building....my daughter...said....they are in my room...i just know it....and she was right....it's the fourth time since school started that she knows of that the police have been in her room....once would have been too many....but 4 times? twice for thoughts of self harming, once for a false sexual attack claim and the last time for slicing up her arm no where near a vein.....

what my daughter says will be a determining factor as to whether or not he roommate returns after the winter break.
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 94 days until Spring Training at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (u8GsB)



Jesus. Where are her parents?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:43 AM (IXrOn)

173 what my daughter says will be a determining factor as to whether or not he roommate returns after the winter break.

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 94 days until Spring Training at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (u8GsB)

Holy crap. Sounds like things have gotten worse. Hopefully she won't be back and gets to a more suitable setting, like an inpatient psych unit.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:43 AM (2Ojst)

174 I can't wait to be lectured by those Ambassadors on the FCPA.

Posted by: Jean at December 05, 2014 09:44 AM (TETYm)

175 I agree that businesses should be able to operate without having people block customers. I guess we will always have that battle , since vagrancy laws have gone out of fashion.

The thing is that we have so many laws right now, it's easy to find an excuse to arrest someone. Did Garner refuse to leave? Could he have been ticketed instead? (I know he has priors. I'm just wondering if there was another way this could have been handled. And no, I don't think the "chokehold" caused his death).

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 05, 2014 09:44 AM (Lqy/e)

176 Posted by: Rev Al at December 05, 2014 09:40 AM (da5Wo)

Actually Cochran Sock, that reminds me of a somewhat funny story.

I was meeting with my dissertation advisor yesterday (which had other weirdness associated with it, but that's for another day.)
And we're arguing about how to incorporate this long idea that's not important to the story that we've shorthanded as "Silence."

She says "So we have to explain that silence is bad."
I had one of those geek moments that usually just gets blank stares and said "Well Silence will fall when the question is answered."

She looks at me and goes "No, I got that one this time, we should see if we can work it into the dissertation somehow."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:44 AM (HDwDg)

177 PG, your daughter's roommate sounds like she needs to be over in the mental ward. No not Womyn Studies. The real mental ward getting treatment.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 09:44 AM (7f5Ol)

178 Oh, and happy Repeal Day, morons.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 09:44 AM (ZKzrr)

179 But in a way you are lucky. Twenty-five years ago they probably wouldn't have caught whatever's wrong with your ticker until you were dead.

And in 5 years they'd write you off as a waste of resources
Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:40 AM (3ZtZW)


haha, I laugh, but sadly true.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:44 AM (IXrOn)

180 170 Yeah, BC, I know lots of places are Right to Work. However, since I live in TX, that's the first one that jumped out at me. Especially since we're the ones who looked at everyone else's recession and said, "No, thank you."

(Which is not to say the economy didn't take a hit here, but it certainly wasn't as bad as the rest of the nation.)

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:43 AM (M1uf/)



Same here, we got hit, but not nearly as bad as a lot of other places. I have a few friends that moved from out of state because jobs were available here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 05, 2014 09:45 AM (da5Wo)

181 They're finally planting Marion Barry today. He's been on display off and on but his sell by date is long past.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 05, 2014 09:45 AM (l3vZN)

182 a friend of mine, a solid Democrat, is trying to build a new building for his business and he's being tortured by the PA EPA on the subject of wastewater runoff. I finally blurted out yesterday during one of his whines "you voted for this shit!". Silence. And then he said "I didn't think they were serious!"

hahahaha

Posted by: MTF at December 05, 2014 09:45 AM (6um35)

183 Best wishes, wrg500.

Posted by: T. Jeff at December 05, 2014 09:46 AM (/Ho8c)

184 Do any black people realize what the loudmouths and criminals (sorry, redundant) are doing to their race? This is like mohadanism. Some claim there is only a small percentage of their group that is violent. Well, the statistics don't prove that, do they? Wake up, black folks. Your brothers are burying you. Be Americans first for a change.

Posted by: Erowmero at December 05, 2014 09:46 AM (go5uR)

185 what my daughter says will be a determining factor as to whether or not he roommate returns after the winter break. Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 94 days until Spring Training at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (u8GsB) And why should she even be involved? Try using the four police reports. Yet another reason why colleges have no business trying to divine rape claims. They can't run their dorms without dragging their customers into it.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 05, 2014 09:46 AM (Spluw)

186
They're finally planting Marion Barry today. He's been on display off and on but his sell by date is long past.

The never ending funeral.

Posted by: wrg500 at December 05, 2014 09:46 AM (sgrzZ)

187 I'm re-reading the book of Revelation.
Interesting stuff.


6.8

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 09:47 AM (qbJnm)

188 Wow....she sounds crazy!
Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 09:42 AM (GQ8sn)

she is.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 94 days until Spring Training at December 05, 2014 09:47 AM (u8GsB)

189 Wow....she sounds crazy!

Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 09:42 AM (GQ8sn)


I suggest a page out of my father's handbook (actual thing that happened):

"You have failed to provide the safe learning and living environment stipulated in the contract, fix that by the end of business today or expect to hear from my plethora of lawyers."

(Actual commination from memory my dad sent after Res Life refused to move me after I slipped into what was probably depression from living with an alcoholic druggy, who, I found out later, threatened harm upon me after I complained. I actually had a new room/roommate lined up, they wouldn't process the change.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:47 AM (HDwDg)

190 So what happens if the Marion Barry funeral collides with pro-Michael Brown protestors?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 09:48 AM (7f5Ol)

191 Could he have been ticketed instead?

I don't know about NYC, but in the Metroplex the answer is "no." If he had an outstanding warrant or was in violation of his parole, he had to be taken to jail.

As tsrblke points out- life is complicated. Any number of things could have been different, and Garner wouldn't be dead. Many of those have to do with the picayune laws. It seems just as many have to do with bad choices Garner had already made.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:48 AM (M1uf/)

192 Alright everyone, in your places. We have a long day of frenzied rage-infused emotional overreactions travelling through rarified heights of giddines to bone-crushing abysses of despair and we can't afford to lose any time.

"SCOAMF!!!!"
"GOPe!!!!!!!"
"ROVE!!!!!"
WAAAUUUGHHHH!!!!!!"

Now that warm-ups are over with get on with it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 05, 2014 09:34 AM (hLRSq)



Actually, I have no problem with Waugh.

Evelyn Waugh is a damn fine novelist.

I'd recommend starting with "A Handful of Dust" and "Scoop".

I find your disparagement of Evelyn Waugh to be offensive and uncivilized.

Good Day, Sir.

I said, Good Day!

Posted by: naturalfake at December 05, 2014 09:48 AM (KBvAm)

193 When the St. Louis Rams took the field last Sunday, several teammates raised their hands, palms out.

.. yes, it was sad. These poor gentle men were merely looking to a "high 10" and nobody responded to their gesture of happiness.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 05, 2014 09:48 AM (e8kgV)

194 Gardner should have been cited, and give a notice to appear in court, like a parking ticket.

Rumor has it that the Mayor wanted these tax scofflaws arrested.

A journalist might ask the mayor that one day.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 09:48 AM (JM/bJ)

195 Posted by: MTF at December 05, 2014 09:45 AM (6um35)


Made. My. Day.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:49 AM (M1uf/)

196 So what happens if the Marion Barry funeral collides with pro-Michael Brown protestors?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 05, 2014 09:48 AM (7f5Ol)

----

There's a "one less drug user" punchline in there somewhere..... but damned if I cant tease it out.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 05, 2014 09:50 AM (NaV4z)

197
And, this:

Black lawmakers want Brown, Garner families invited to State of the Union

"I think that would be appropriate and fitting," said Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.).

The Hill

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 09:50 AM (kdS6q)

198 Gardner should have been cited, and give a notice to appear in court, like a parking ticket.


When he was already on parole/probation? I don't think so.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:51 AM (M1uf/)

199 Gardner should have been cited, and give a notice to appear in court, like a parking ticket. Rumor has it that the Mayor wanted these tax scofflaws arrested. A journalist might ask the mayor that one day.
Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie

He had been cited, and was already in violation of that. The operative factor here is that he was in too poor physical condition to be arrested or to resist arrest.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 05, 2014 09:51 AM (Spluw)

200 Rumor has it that the Mayor wanted these tax scofflaws arrested.


Maybe someone can help me understand this...if Garner bought the cigarettes legally before reselling them, weren't the state/city tobacco taxes already paid at that time? Or does NYC add the tax like a VAT, it gets paid every iteration?

Or, is this tax thing totally unrelated to reselling cigs, and proggs are just using the cigs as sleight-of-hand to direct our attention away from something else?

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 09:51 AM (ZKzrr)

201 When the St. Louis Rams took the field last Sunday, several teammates raised their hands, palms out.

.. yes, it was sad. These poor gentle men were merely looking to a "high 10" and nobody responded to their gesture of happiness.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 05, 2014 09:48 AM (e8kgV)

----

Well.... maybe they'll put down hammers at the next home game.

**spit**

Posted by: fixerupper at December 05, 2014 09:51 AM (NaV4z)

202 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:48 AM (M1uf/

To be honest, they probably could have just kept him surrounded until he tired out. He isn't some spry 20 something you have to be concerned is going to get the jump on you and get away.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:51 AM (HDwDg)

203 So what happens if the Marion Barry funeral collides with pro-Michael Brown protestors?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)


"Hands Up. Don't Root", perhaps?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 05, 2014 09:52 AM (l3vZN)

204 "I think that would be appropriate and fitting," said Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.).

I think someone *should* invite Brown's family.
And then someone else should invite the owner of the store he robbed.

That would be fun, huh?

Oh, and apparently this is news, so I just want to make sure everyone is aware- being a thug criminal has a negative effect on your life expectancy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:52 AM (M1uf/)

205 Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 09:51 AM (ZKzrr

As someone who lives in the low tax state next to IL, allow me to put it this way:

Black Market Cigs from a lower tax jurisdiction nearby.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:52 AM (HDwDg)

206 Black lawmakers want Brown, Garner families invited to State of the Union"I think that would be appropriate and fitting," said Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.).

And the hammer that killed that foreign fellow. It should be invited too.

As for the family of the guy that shot the child in his stroller in Georgia? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.). at December 05, 2014 09:53 AM (Spluw)

207


9 Lies About Fat That Destroyed The World's Health

http://www.businessinsider.com/9-lies-about-fat-that-destroyed-the-worlds-health-2013-11

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 09:53 AM (IXrOn)

208 He had been cited, and was already in violation of that. The operative factor here is that he was in too poor physical condition to be arrested or to resist arrest.

A particularly baroque and oblique suicide-by-cop?

Hell, let's just go with "Evolution In Action"...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 09:53 AM (DT3rQ)

209 Black lawmakers want Brown, Garner families invited to State of the Union
"I think that would be appropriate and fitting," said Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.).


**slumps shoulders in despair, biting back scream of rage**

And that's it for me. I can't take any more. See you all next week.

Posted by: Lindy Chamberlain at December 05, 2014 09:54 AM (zF6Iw)

210 Maybe someone can help me understand this...if Garner bought the cigarettes legally before reselling them, weren't the state/city tobacco taxes already paid at that time? Or does NYC add the tax like a VAT, it gets paid every iteration?



I think there's some sort of state or local regulation covering tobacco sales and the collection of taxes. Garner was circumventing the taxes, and that's the one thing the State won't abide.

Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 09:54 AM (GQ8sn)

211 203 So what happens if the Marion Barry funeral collides with pro-Michael Brown protestors?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)


"Hands Up. Don't Root", perhaps?



Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 05, 2014 09:52 AM (l3vZN)

Bitch set me up! Don't shoot!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:54 AM (2Ojst)

212 So what happens if the Marion Barry funeral collides with pro-Michael Brown protestors?
You got chocolate on my peanut butter!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 05, 2014 09:54 AM (2ZvEW)

213
Mrs. Obama was making a pitch for expanded college counseling. She
said too many students go through school without any real guidance on
how to get into college or how to pay for it.

She described one world, where students "don't know what classes to
take, or how to prepare for the SAT or the ACT. No one helps them decide
which colleges to apply to. No one reviews the their applications. And
plenty of kids have no idea that they're eligible for financial aid, so
they assume they just can't afford college, and they don't even bother
to apply."



Um....do they not have parents?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 09:54 AM (ABcz/)

214 You got chocolate on my peanut butter!
Posted by: andycanuck at December 05, 2014 09:54 AM (2ZvEW)

----

More like "you got crack cocaine in my swisher blunts yo"...

Posted by: fixerupper at December 05, 2014 09:55 AM (NaV4z)

215 Major mental illness often strikes in college. The stress of being away from home triggers it, though would have happened eventually in most cases.

Buddy of mine had a roommate go schizo. Buddy had to live in a hotel for two weeks. His roommate had become convince my friend was part of a govt plot to get him.

Guy's dad had to come and haul his son away to the loony bin.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 09:55 AM (ZPrif)

216 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:52 AM (M1uf/

True.

Although as a counter argument with that nuance thing.

Ferguson isn't all that big in terms of area, if Wilson had observed and waited 90 seconds for backup (which he called in prior to the altercation starting) it's entirely possible we wouldn't have had the burning times.

I don't think that criminalizes it or justifies anything. But, you know, interative improvement and all that jazz.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:55 AM (HDwDg)

217 So what happens if the Marion Barry funeral collides with pro-Michael Brown protestors? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)

There may be..............a crack-up

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 09:55 AM (Spluw)

218 Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 09:51 AM (ZKzrr)

IF I remember correctly, and the media reports are accurate. (two ifs)

Gardner was already known to the cops to have been in possession of untaxed (smuggled) cigs. (Or maybe I read that here in the comments (four ifs now).)

There isn't any way to determine if single cigs have been taxed, 'cuz the tax stamp is on the package the loosie come from.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 09:55 AM (JM/bJ)

219 Gardner was already known to the cops to have been in possession of untaxed (smuggled) cigs. (Or maybe I read that here in the comments (four ifs now).)

There isn't any way to determine if single cigs have been taxed, 'cuz the tax stamp is on the package the loosie come from.

Posted by: Dr Pine's House of Pie at December 05, 2014 09:55 AM (JM/bJ)

And for that, YOU MUST DIIIIEEE!!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:56 AM (2Ojst)

220 Another reason not to have a state of the union address. It isn't mandated by law. Fuck that bullshit, it will be nothing useful anyway, just lies, propaganda, and empty promises. Worthless.

Posted by: maddogg at December 05, 2014 09:56 AM (xWW96)

221

Wait... wut????

NYC allows the sale of cigarettes, but bans Big Gulp soda's??? Well.... Ill be damned.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 05, 2014 09:57 AM (NaV4z)

222 NYC allows the sale of cigarettes, but bans Big Gulp soda's??? Well.... Ill be damned.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 05, 2014 09:57 AM (NaV4z)



A lot of tax revenue.


A lot...

Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 09:57 AM (GQ8sn)

223 Followup on the fall of The New Republic:

per Mark Hemmingway on Twitter, a full list of the resignations: pic.twitter.com/ib9pcXz6nd

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 09:57 AM (DT3rQ)

224 Basically the entire staff

Ryan Lizza @RyanLizza 8m8 minutes ago
BREAKING: Mass resignations just submitted at @TNR
Full list
https://pbs.tw___.com/media/B4GZnWDIcAAz-Om.png

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 09:57 AM (ZPrif)

225 Or, is this tax thing totally unrelated to reselling cigs, and proggs are just using the cigs as sleight-of-hand to direct our attention away from something else?

There is an excise tax that retailers pay to the state and the city. If you buy cigarettes outside of the city of New York, they cost $1.50 per pack less. The city charges that on top of the state excise tax of $4.85. The stickers you see on a pack of cigs in NYC indicate the excise tax has been paid. So, bring in cigs from outside the city and sell them as loosies avoids the extra $1.50 per pack.

Posted by: no good deed at December 05, 2014 09:57 AM (w3a0Z)

226 Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 09:51 AM (ZKzrr)

I heard the smokes were from NC, which has a much smaller cig tax. Sound like a state issue that should have carried a little more weight.

Also, had heard the local shop owners didn't like the competition and had called the law.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 05, 2014 09:57 AM (Knixy)

227 To be honest, they probably could have just kept him surrounded until he
tired out. He isn't some spry 20 something you have to be concerned is
going to get the jump on you and get away.


My dad is pushing 70 years old. He's short and fat (really- morbidly obese), has high cholesterol and high blood pressure. If asked to do anything strenuous for very long, he just can't. Oh, and he tore up something in his shoulder a few years ago, and hasn't bothered to have it fixed yet. He "isn't some spry 20 something." If he hit me in the jaw, he'd at least break it, and would probably knock me unconscious.

No, when someone is resisting arrest, you don't just "[keep] him surrounded until he [tires] out." Because all it takes is one good/lucky punch and then you have an officer down situation. At that point it becomes life or death, and they're almost obligated to shoot him.

He died (as best I can tell from the facts in evidence) because he was in poor health, and being choked out was not good for him. He didn't have to die, but given that he was resisting arrest, I don't think the officers did anything terribly untoward.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (M1uf/)

228 if Garner bought the cigarettes legally before reselling them, weren't the state/city tobacco taxes already paid at that time?



Could have bought them on an Indian Reservation sans taxes. Big case in court where NYC is suing FedEx for transporting cigarettes from a New York indian rez to residents in NYC. They think FedEx should have paid the tax. Asking about $500 million.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (g0ks+)

229 All shitting aside ... John Lewis is one example of how Democrats win.


You won't see a GOP pol invite the family of a white victim. Too unseemly. May drive up black turnout. Media won't like it.


So ... they continue to lose.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (GoNER)

230 8 seems like a lot.

John Cardillo @johncardillo 14m
NYPD sources confirming to me that Garner had 8 domestic violence incidents on file, including 1 against his daughter and her newborn.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (ZPrif)

231 Black Market Cigs from a lower tax jurisdiction nearby.


Aha. That makes sense, thanks.

Um....do they not have parents?

By the time Sno'flaque gets into college on special admissions, his momma's already been outsourcing his care and feeding to the schools for 13+ years.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (ZKzrr)

232 And for that, YOU MUST DIIIIEEE!!!!!
Posted by: Insomniac
For that yes........And for hoovering a shit ton of cheeseburgers. But's let's pretend that the fittest man in the world was slaughtered in the street for a stupid tax grab. It's sounds better

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (Spluw)

233 And for that, YOU MUST DIIIIEEE!!!!!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 09:56 AM (2Ojst)

NON sequitur
insufficient response

Posted by: I am NOMAD at December 05, 2014 10:00 AM (JM/bJ)

234 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 09:55 AM (HDwDg)

But see that's not nuanance , that's shoulda coulda woulda. Wilson followed reasonable , set procedures. The better case for your point is the 12 year old that got shot.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 10:00 AM (014lE)

235 NC cig tax $0.45 per pack.
NYC $5.85.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 05, 2014 10:00 AM (Knixy)

236 Um....do they not have parents?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 09:54 AM (ABcz/)


Often: no. At least, not "parents" in the sense of "people who take care of you and guide your maturation into an adult-type person."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 10:01 AM (M1uf/)

237 I didn't read Mooch's comments but I sort of agree that a lot of schools are pretty woeful on helping get their students into college.

A friends son is graduating this year and just had a great semester, so he wanted to send his grades off to the five colleges he has applied to so they could see how well he continues to do, but his high school said "no- we only send grades once". He was smart and got the department secretary to run him off a transcript and he himself mailed it off. I know colleges won't treat that as official, but its better than nothing!

Posted by: MTF at December 05, 2014 10:01 AM (6um35)

238 I have to say this Upshot article is more fair and accurate than I would have expected from the NYTimes.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 05, 2014 10:01 AM (rwI+c)

239 Another reason not to have a state of the union address.

----

If republican had ANY balls..... they would attend. But begin leaving one by one during the speech. Save Joe Wilson for last and he yells out "What I said before!!!" as he leaves.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 05, 2014 10:01 AM (NaV4z)

240
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (Spluw

Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 10:01 AM (2Ojst)

241 I had no idea cigarettes were so complex, really (although I knew about the reservation thing; my friend who used to live in Buffalo would go out to one to buy booze and gasoline).

NYC allows the sale of cigarettes, but bans Big Gulp soda's???

Sumptuary laws. Only low-class people drink soda but some ruling-class people still smoke cigarettes.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 10:01 AM (ZKzrr)

242 Yesterday I noticed the cigarette prices at the grocery store. On sale, all of the Marlboro products were 5 bucks off, so $40.97 per carton. In MA this summer, I believe they were 80 bucks a carton. Well worth a one day drive to stock up and re-sell in NYC.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (2cS/G)

243 Cardillo was an NYPD cop

John Cardillo @johncardillo 22h
The fact that Garner had 31 arrests in the same area IS relevant. Maybe those cops knew things about him that Facebook and Twitter don't.

John Cardillo @johncardillo 13m 13 minutes ago
It's looking like a good portion of Garner's 31 arrests were not just for selling loose cigs.

John Cardillo @johncardillo 13m
NYPD sources confirm that Garner had a 2009 arrest for Forcible Sexual Touching. An A Misdemeanor. No confirm on outcome yet.

John Cardillo @johncardillo 17m 17 minutes ago
NYPD sources confirming to me that Garner had 8 domestic violence incidents on file, including 1 against his daughter and her newborn.

John Cardillo @johncardillo
NYPD policy is to rely on training and experience. If I'm arresting a guy I know has 8 domestics, 1 sexual, and a few assaults, I'm hands on

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (ZPrif)

244 Maybe someone can help me understand this...if Garner bought the cigarettes legally before reselling them, weren't the state/city tobacco taxes already paid at that time?


Indian reservation smokes aren't taxed. Yes, casino.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (qbJnm)

245

(CNSNews.com) - The labor force participation rate remained at a 36-year low of 62.8 percent in November, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

What difference does it make?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (IXrOn)

246 for the SEC/ACC fans...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qRPjx993U80

Posted by: WTP at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (W2YA6)

247 Sumptuary laws. Only low-class people drink soda but some ruling-class people still smoke cigarettes.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 10:01 AM (ZKzrr)



Time to test this theory by selling:

Pappy Van Winkle 16 year Big Gulps

in NYC.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (KBvAm)

248
NYPD sources confirming to me that Garner had 8 domestic violence incidents on file, including 1 against his daughter and her newborn.
Posted by: Costanza Defense



[pic] 8 year old Garner on Santa's lap.

Posted by: The Media Narrative

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (kdS6q)

249 245

(CNSNews.com) - The labor force participation rate remained at a 36-year low of 62.8 percent in November, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

What difference does it make?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (IXrOn)


Green shoots, baby!!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 10:04 AM (2Ojst)

250 I wonder how much of the going crazy on college campus is because of over drugged youngsters going cold turkey after they are free of their parents. It seems to have just started getting really bad with this generation, which is the first to be controlled for long periods of time by Ritalin and other substances.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at December 05, 2014 10:04 AM (wrS2o)

251 They're finally planting Marion Barry today. He's been on display off and on but his sell by date is long past.

-
If he goes zombie his excuse will be "bitch dug me up."

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 05, 2014 10:04 AM (ee9LE)

252
Aussie, my parents and grandparents would have called that a roller, for the midwest dust-storms way back when.
Bedourie must go through a lot of paper towels, soaked to pulp in the sink, and chinked into the cracks of the window jams during the summer to try to keep the dust out of the houses

Posted by: Kindltot at December 05, 2014 10:04 AM (t//F+)

253 Morning all...

Posted by: Patrick in Michigan at December 05, 2014 10:04 AM (OhrW4)

254

The WSJ has this take:

U.S. Added 321,000 Jobs for Best Year Since 1999

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:05 AM (IXrOn)

255 Time to test this theory by selling:

Pappy Van Winkle 16 year Big Gulps

in NYC.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (KBvAm)



$2000 a shot.

Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 10:05 AM (GQ8sn)

256 Posted by: tmitsss at December 05, 2014 09:28 AM (1nj96)

The article itself was funny itself in how hard it failed to logically explain why Southern Democrats were failing. It tried to paint LBJ as some sort of Democrat prophet, proclaiming that the South was beyond saving once the great Civil Rights Act of '64 was passed, yet they maintained control for a couple of decades after the bill passed. All Southern Democrats were gone, except those in small pockets filled with minorities, oh and in Florida and Virgina where they still have Democrats in a senatorial seat.

The comments section at the NYT is so much worse. There was one guy in there who seemed reasonable (despite being progressive, but nobody's perfect), but the rest were just continuations of the stupidity.

Posted by: Schadenfraude, thy name is NYT at December 05, 2014 10:05 AM (78OXS)

257 When my mother was a director of nursing at a convalescent home, she was called late one night about a resident, (big, still strong, long time alchoholic) had run amok, and was destroying the laundry area. She had to go in, and then called the cops. The State trooper came in, took one look around the door at the guy and said that ifhe tried to restrain him it was lilkely to end badly, and he'd be forced to use deadly force. He called the local volunteer fire company and demanded that EVERYBODY get there. They swarmed him, and my mother literally tranquillized the guy. Here, they were able to use discreation, and overwhelming force. But what if he had instead tried running amok in the residential area?

Almost no one wants restraining somebody like this, or arresting someone for a low level crime to die.There are some sick cops that abuse their power and authority. There's no proof that this is the case here.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 10:05 AM (Spluw)

258 John Cardillo @johncardillo
I am not trying to slander Eric Garner. I'm trying to reverse a false narrative. If cops knew his history of violence, the context changes.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 10:06 AM (ZPrif)

259 WSJ

U.S. Payrolls in November Grew 321,000; Jobless Rate 5.8%

Economy on Track to Record Strongest Year of Job Creation in 15 Years

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:06 AM (IXrOn)

260 184
Do any black people realize what the loudmouths and criminals (sorry, redundant) are doing to their race?

Maybe we need phoney hand sign guy to explain it to them?

Posted by: John Boehner at December 05, 2014 10:06 AM (XzRw1)

261 Happy Friday, Horde.

A group of yoots held a protest here in Savannah yesterday. Decided to lie down on one of our busiest streets.

I'd like to see them try that in Florida. Some granny accidentally hitting the gas instead of the brake.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 05, 2014 10:07 AM (FsuaD)

262 Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 09:57 AM (DT3rQ

What are they resigning for exactly? As I understand it TNR had to reshuffle to stay afloat. Such is business.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (M1uf/)

If he socks a cop in the jaw the other 6 can swarm him and take him down and I'm not going to say one peep about "use of force." (Although I'm still likely to note that the state has gone way to big.)

He didn't sock a cop in a jaw.

It's OK if policing is a dangerous job. Such is life. I'm OK with that outcome.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 10:07 AM (HDwDg)

263 I agree that HS students should have good College App / prep counselling.
Our charter school focuses a lot on it, and as immigrants we were clueless about the process. Even with that, the process is so ridiculous now I still had to turn to the interwebs and I know I did not prepare my HS senior as well as I could have.

Posted by: @votermom at December 05, 2014 10:07 AM (d4lPs)

264 Izzat the 'Lucy and football' waaauuugh or the 'spittle-flecked hatesquirt' one?
Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 09:36 AM (3ZtZW)

It's a sliding scale, really.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 05, 2014 10:08 AM (hLRSq)

265 Jesus Christ ... Here we go again.


I think we all agree that Eric Garner was a career criminal. Got it. Understood.


All those who approve of all levels of force when arresting career criminals ... raise your hand. Now - if you believe that policy won't be extended to first time detainees ... smack yourselves with that hand.


Just as hard as you like. No level will be deemed excessive.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 10:08 AM (GoNER)

266 I'd like to see them try that in Florida. Some granny accidentally hitting the gas instead of the brake.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 05, 2014 10:07 AM (FsuaD)


Boca Raton or West Palm Beach. They'd all get run over by the bluehairs driving their Cadillacs.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 05, 2014 10:08 AM (2Ojst)

267 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:03 AM (IXrOn)

That's the nuance that I am referring to that the LIV don't know and don't care to learn and that the Left does its best to hide.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 10:09 AM (014lE)

268 >>BREAKING: Mass resignations just submitted at @TNR

Full list

Dear TNR Staff:
How does it feel to to have a new manager come in and fundamental transform your world against your wishes because "I won?"
Sucks, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 10:09 AM (ABcz/)

269 Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 09:58 AM (Spluw Lighten up, Francis.
Posted by: Insomniac

Get some sleep Frances.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 10:09 AM (Spluw)

270 With black market cigs, I thought there was a whole network. Some guys would drive to indian reservation or another state with lower taxes, buy em in bulk.
Drive back to NYC and sell them to retail sales guys like Garner who sell them on the street.
Maybe Garner bought them himself, but I doubt it. His poor health probably limited that.
Plus more efficient for someone with capital to buy in bulk, sell smaller units of inventory to small-time street sellers like Garner, who probably can't scrape up a lot of cash to buy much inventory at once.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 10:10 AM (ZPrif)

271
Bedtime here.. I've been gathering up the courage to post a Youtube video
*The Barrel scares me to death*

So I'll, do it and then hop into bed, stuff the consequences - the Barrel can't get me in bed surely *shivers*

Being a patriotic Aussie, this is a wonderful ad for my lovely country with a great 1980s track from Icehouse - sadly overshadowed at that time by INXS , Midnight Oil and other Aussie bands of that era
http://goo.gl/rpCfZ0

PS Why is Marion Barry being accorded such pomp and regal funeral proceedings - wasn't he an outright crook???? Good heavens bloody unbelievable!

Have a wonderful yesterday, and if my link works see you tomorrow night - if not, bring me some wine and food in the barrel please!

Posted by: aussie at December 05, 2014 10:10 AM (U+r+e)

272 Jesus Christ ... Here we go again.
--
Yeah, icky facts. Gross.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 10:11 AM (ZPrif)

273 Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 10:08 AM (GoNER)

Yes all escalating levels of force should be used on those resisting arrest until such time there is no more resisting.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 10:11 AM (014lE)

274 Sucks, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 10:09 AM (ABcz/)



Bravo!

Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 10:12 AM (GQ8sn)

275 If he socks a cop in the jaw the other 6 can swarm him and take him down
and I'm not going to say one peep about "use of force." (Although I'm
still likely to note that the state has gone way to big.)


The point is that cops are not, and should not be, under any obligation to use *less* force than the suspect they are attempting to apprehend.

Quite frankly, if they'd been able to give him a wooden shampoo, he likely would have survived that experience (because he likely would have stopped sooner). Once a suspect has started resisting arrest, you must assume he will continue to do so in an ever more aggressive fashion until you have gotten him to stop resisting arrest.

I'm going to be honest- he seems like he was a loser criminal who assaulted his own daughter (per prior comments), I'm neither terribly surprised that he's dead nor particularly sorry about it (beyond the general sadness of any death). He chose to live a life of crime. When he was confronted about it by the police, he resisted, thus beginning a physical altercation where none was needed.

With his age an health, ANY physical altercation could well have ended his life (though, paradoxically, more force sooner might have caused less damage over all).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 10:12 AM (M1uf/)

276 /hurls toaster at Mikey NTH
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 09:41 AM (DT3rQ)

A toaster?

Taste the cheesy fury of a '70s fondue pot!!!!!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 05, 2014 10:12 AM (hLRSq)

277

Peggy Noonan's new piece.



That's what they've got: an undertaker, an albatross, a natterer.

She's referring to, Harry Reid, Obama, and Pelosi.

hehe

Can the GOP Find Unity and Purpose?

The Democrats are divided. The Republicans need to resist Obama's provocations.


http://tinyurl.com/ntg5ps8

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:12 AM (IXrOn)

278 167

Now, don't you feel better having your F-35 inspected by a guy in a dress?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 09:42 AM (kdS6q)


What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Big McLargehuge at December 05, 2014 10:13 AM (u9OP6)

279 I think we all agree that Eric Garner was a career criminal. Got it. Understood.

---

Actually, no. Most don't. And the few that did were given the impression he got busted a bunch of times for selling loose cigs -- not anything violent.

If somebody has been arrested a bunch of times for violent acts, like domestic violence, then the police know that and that changes how the police react.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 10:13 AM (ZPrif)

280 This NY DailyNews headline is moron (or at least, BenK) worthy:

Can't beat that meat! 84% of vegetarians go back to consuming animals, study finds

http://tinyurl.com/lkdr3c6

You can beat your friends, and you can beat your meat, but...

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2014 10:13 AM (rSLbf)

281 Full list

Dear TNR Staff:
How does it feel to to have a new manager come in and fundamental transform your world against your wishes because "I won?"
Sucks, huh?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 10:09 AM (ABcz/)



*shoves lemon bars through USB port for you*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 05, 2014 10:13 AM (mf5HN)

282 PS Why is Marion Barry being accorded such pomp and regal funeral proceedings - wasn't he an outright crook???? Good heavens bloody unbelievable!Have a wonderful yesterday, and if my link works see you tomorrow night - if not, bring me some wine and food in the barrel please!
Posted by: aussie

Did Australia ever have urban political machines? We've had them here since the 19th century. The term "good graft" comes from it. It often had racial or nationality dimensions, and lives on today with urban blak politicians. Detroit is their Mecca.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 10:14 AM (Spluw)

283 >>>Yeah, icky facts. Gross.

Yup, like the fact that what he said just flew over your head.

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 10:14 AM (3ZtZW)

284 more Noonan

The sophisticated and sober-minded GOP class should understand that the national press is dying to impose a story line: extremist, intransigent ideologues come to Washington to defy the president. It's important to them that the Republicans be the bad guys. If the president can't quite be painted as the good guy, at least he can be portrayed as the more nuanced and interesting figure, the historic president beset by smaller foes in his last two years.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:14 AM (IXrOn)

285 A toaster?

Taste the cheesy fury of a '70s fondue pot!!!!!


Oh, like it rough, do ya?

/tosses chocolate fountain

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 10:14 AM (DT3rQ)

286 Children of the damned.

http://tinyurl.com/poen466

I find it darkly amusing that many cops voted Obama because union.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (ee9LE)

287 If NYC had more union cops with better training and equipment, situations like Garner would be handled more professionally.

Posted by: NYC Politician at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (XzRw1)

288 'm going to be honest- he seems like he was a loser criminal who assaulted his own daughter (per prior comments), I'm neither terribly surprised that he's dead nor particularly sorry about it (beyond the general sadness of any death). He chose to live a life of crime. When he was confronted about it by the police, he resisted, thus beginning a physical altercation where none was needed.

With his age an health, ANY physical altercation could well have ended his life (though, paradoxically, more force sooner might have caused less damage over all).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 10:12 AM (M1uf/)


please dude, never complain about too much government again. those of us who are consistent about it would prefer it that way.

Posted by: X at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (KHo8t)

289 Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 10:14 AM (3ZtZW)

Didn't know strawmen could fly.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (014lE)

290 Dear TNR Staff:
How does it feel to to have a new manager come in and fundamental transform your world against your wishes because "I won?"

Sucks, huh?



Cafe Press T-Shirt candidate!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (qbJnm)

291 more Noonan

The president wants to be the story. He wants to be the matador taunting the bull with the red cape. He wants to draw the GOP into strange, dramatic impasses. They should not snort, paw the ground and charge. They should shake their heads, smile and gesture to the crowd: "Can you believe this guy?"

She's got this right. Mock the JEF incessantly.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (IXrOn)

292 I don't believe the Garner arrest and death speak to a larger truth, either about race relations or government overreach. I really don't. So I remain fairly indifferent to what happens in NYC.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (rwI+c)

293 I find it darkly amusing that many cops voted Obama because union.
Posted by: The Great White Snark

Good point. The US Conference of Bishops still won't quit dear leader, even after he threw them under the bus.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 10:16 AM (Spluw)

294
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 05, 2014 10:13 AM (mf5HN)

Yes, yes I do like blondes with whip cream. Blondies?? Oh, never mind.

Posted by: wrg500 at December 05, 2014 10:16 AM (sgrzZ)

295 Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 10:08 AM (GoNER)


Straw man down! (nice hash, though).

Had Garner *not* resisted arrest, no "force" would have been used.
Once he began resisting, had he ceased resisting on his own (seeing that he couldn't win because he was outnumbered), the force would have stopped immediately- and if it hadn't, *then* we'd have a real issue to talk about.

In this case, it looks like a career thug took on police and lost- due in part to the altercation and in part to his own poor health, he then suffered cardiac arrest and died.

I'm not sure how that's either a) an excessive use of force or b) the cops' fault.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 10:16 AM (M1uf/)

296 Yup, like the fact that what he said just flew over your head.
--
No, it didn't.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 05, 2014 10:17 AM (ZPrif)

297 Ok ... Then here's some "icky questions" ...


Why did the other officers only rush in AFTER Pantaleo initiated the take-down ? If the incident was so obviously out of control, why the delay ? And why did Panteleo elect to initiate at all ?


And why do those of you that support the NYPD position never mention that this is Panteleo's THIRD incident ? The city even paid up for one incident.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 10:17 AM (GoNER)

298 Taste the cheesy fury of a '70s fondue pot!!!!!

Hey, I need that. And this block of Emmantaler. And this bottle of Kirschwasser.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 10:17 AM (ZKzrr)

299 more Noonan, insightful, I will have to admit, in regards to illegal amnesty

At the same time the president took an issue that was a daily, agitating mobilizer of his base and removed it as a factor. He took the kettle off the heat--but that kettle had produced a lot of steam that provided energy to his party.

Now the president has to implement his directive, and implementation has never been his strong suit. He has to tamp down grievance from those who came here legally or are waiting in line. He has to answer immigration activists who think they got too little. He has to face all the critics who will experience and witness the downside of his action on the border.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:18 AM (IXrOn)

300 Posted by: X at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (KHo8t)


What does his comments have to do with his criticism of too much government. Does he need to advocate for the elimination of police to satisfy your definition of consistency.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 10:18 AM (014lE)

301 Doesn't sound like Garner was a very smart crook. If he wanted to maximize profit potential, he should have been selling his cigarettes in Canada where a pack goes for about $25. Opportunity lost.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 05, 2014 10:18 AM (g0ks+)

302 /tosses chocolate fountain
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 10:14 AM (DT3rQ)

If you throw over a box of Ritz I'll forgive you your vile outrages.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 05, 2014 10:19 AM (hLRSq)

303 Probably are a bunch of cig smuggling networks. But I bet a young go-getter with a car and a few hundred bucks could make decent money. Say you spend 400 bucks on 10 cartons in NC, add a hundred bucks for travel expenses, so you're out 500 dollars, you can price your butts at anything less than the prevailing commercial price, which in NYC appears to be 10 bucks a pack, and be in the black instantaneously. Of course if you're stupid, and do things like speed, or brag about your "career", you probably won't last long.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 05, 2014 10:20 AM (2cS/G)

304 he should have been selling his cigarettes in Canada where a pack goes for about $25.

Wut?!?

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 05, 2014 10:20 AM (rwI+c)

305
I don't believe the Garner arrest and death speak to a larger truth, either about race relations or government overreach.


Yeah, me neither. The black market cig stuff seems illustrative of larger dysfunctions, though.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 10:20 AM (ZKzrr)

306 Quite frankly, if they'd been able to give him a wooden shampoo, he likely would have survived that experience (because he likely would have stopped sooner). Once a suspect has started resisting arrest, you must assume he will continue to do so in an ever more aggressive fashion until you have gotten him to stop resisting arrest.



As I said previously, you'll see six cops wrassling a guy on COPS. Why? They are trying not to hurt him.

In Texas prisons in the early '80's, it would have taken two.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 10:20 AM (qbJnm)

307 Hey, I need that. And this block of Emmantaler. And this bottle of Kirschwasser.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 10:17 AM (ZKzrr)


*sidles over*

Hi. How you doin'?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 05, 2014 10:20 AM (mf5HN)

308 >>*shoves lemon bars through USB port for you*

Thanks!!
*nom nom nom*

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2014 10:20 AM (ABcz/)

309 Funny that I haven't seen any snark comments utilizing the scene from Goodfellas.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 10:21 AM (014lE)

310 Why did the other officers only rush in AFTER Pantaleo initiated the take-down ? If the incident was so obviously out of control, why the delay ? And why did Panteleo elect to initiate at all ? And why do those of you that support the NYPD position never mention that this is Panteleo's THIRD incident ? The city even paid up for one incident.
Posted by: ScoggDog

Good questions.
as for #1, I dunno what the best way to do this is. Were they following the besst practice? Were they being slow and dim? I suspect that one makes the attempt, and then, if resistenace is met, then it becomes a group project. If all of them had swarmed him at the onset, that would have been wrong. If he had used a club, that would have been wrong.

#2. I don't know what those are, and I don't know if there was merit to them, or if the city decided to shell out and end it. They're busily giving millions to the vermin that attacked the Central Park jogger and nearly killed her.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 10:21 AM (Spluw)

311 "Sound like a state issue that should have carried a little more weight. "

ISWYDT.

Posted by: anon a mouse at December 05, 2014 10:21 AM (/jpU8)

312 "But it catalogs several unanswered questions surrounding the scandal and cites a lack of cooperation from several key players who invoked their Fifth Amendment protections against self-incrimination."

.. which scandal ?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 05, 2014 10:22 AM (e8kgV)

313 Thanks, Aussie for the link.
Always wanted to visit.
Too old to travel now.

Posted by: Smythe the Naive at December 05, 2014 10:22 AM (JM/bJ)

314 If you throw over a box of Ritz I'll forgive you your vile outrages.

/signals truck of Ritz crackers to back over him

Less competition for Captain's Wafers, I win!

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 05, 2014 10:23 AM (DT3rQ)

315 Wut?!?

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 05, 2014 10:20 AM (rwI+c)



Socialism is expensive.

Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

316 This NY DailyNews headline is moron (or at least, BenK) worthy:

Can't beat that meat! 84% of vegetarians go back to consuming animals, study finds


Almost as if the human body were designed to ingest animal protein. Weird, huh?

please dude, never complain about too much government again. those of us who are consistent about it would prefer it that way.
Posted by: X at December 05, 2014 10:15 AM (KHo8t)


I know nuance is hard, but do try to keep up.

I neither said, nor implied anything about the just-ness of the law in question. The fact is criminals gonna criminal- he was going to get busted for something. If you want to argue about the law (an argument I've been staying strictly out of) I agree with you- I think a law against selling loosies is... silly. At best. And it certainly shouldn't be a felony.

I *also* think I shouldn't be required to wear my seat-belt, put my kids in car-seats/booster-seats, or obey a speed-limit on highways. However, those are the law, so I obey them.

Garner certainly *knew* that it was against the law to sell single cigarettes (at least, in the manner he was). He chose to break the law anyway.

Now if that's some sort of protest against an unjust law, fine. But then the *point* is to get arrested, so resisting arrest is dumb. Obviously he wasn't doing it as some sort of small government protest.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 10:23 AM (M1uf/)

317 Some more is coming out about that car that rammed into four cops who were escorting Ferguson protesters in Denver. Tgey tried to spin it as an accident that the protesters found upsetting. Now it seems tgey cheered the car on and witnesses think it was deliberate.

Color me shocked.

Posted by: Y-not at December 05, 2014 10:23 AM (9BRsg)

318 Yeah, me neither. The black market cig stuff seems illustrative of larger dysfunctions, though.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 10:20 AM (ZKzrr)

I have a crazy idea on how they can decrease the black market in cigs...stop taxing them so it makes them 13 bucks a pack.

Posted by: RWC - Shopping for Justice! at December 05, 2014 10:24 AM (fWAjv)

319 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 10:12 AM (M1uf/)

A taser probably would have killed him too.

:shrug: agree to disagree. I know the video isn't the be all to end all, but as far as "Resisting" goes until the cop tries to take him down his "resisting" is fairly low key.

Consider an analogous story that I've told before:
Neighbor shots off fireworks. My yard faces the road and I'm outside with friends around a fire pit. So I get the joy of 4 cop cars pulled up to my house and a cop with his hand on his hip joining my little soiree. (Imagine an accent mark on that e because "damn pixy.")

Cop comes up and says "we're going to spotlight you for 'safety'" (Alternatively he could have asked and I'd have come to him, rather than blinding my guests but hey.)

My response is "Well then I'm not going to set down my glass of wine and get up, so you can talk to me from over there."

Now I wasn't committing a crime (obviously) and I don't have any history of violence that I know of. But I resisted his "authority."

As I said, our rights are downstream those of petty criminals, so I'd prefer the least amount of force necessary to effect a goal, as a benefit to myself when I arise in a similar (but admittedly different) situation.

But then I'm a crazy who also believes that ultimately you're responsible for your own safety, and every so often a truly violent and dangerous criminal may get away.
Such is life.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 10:25 AM (HDwDg)

320 *perks up*

Ritz crackers you say?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 05, 2014 10:25 AM (mf5HN)

321 I have a crazy idea on how they can decrease the black market in cigs...stop taxing them so it makes them 13 bucks a pack.
---
But how else do we force people to behave the way we want them to?

Posted by: Ruling Class Progressive Trash at December 05, 2014 10:25 AM (ZPrif)

322 nood, peeps.

Posted by: T. Jeff at December 05, 2014 10:25 AM (/Ho8c)

323 That Badge. That Gun. It is a power trip for some. YOU will obey my authority or something bad will happen to YOU.

It has been that way since time immemorial with some of those with authority.

Mr Garner should not have been selling black market smokes. Neither should have the tax man been there/

Posted by: GMB - Tyrant 2nd Class at December 05, 2014 10:25 AM (GoyxN)

324 I have a crazy idea on how they can decrease the black market in cigs...stop taxing them so it makes them 13 bucks a pack.


I also object to sin taxes funding stuff like child health insurance like SCHIP. You've got two diameterically opposed forces from the same government working against each other. There are federally funded anti-smoking programs, and a health insurance law that is funded by cigarette taxes.

Insane.

Posted by: EC at December 05, 2014 10:27 AM (GQ8sn)

325
The NFLs first openly gay player, Michael Sam, has been named Man of the Year by men's magazine GQ, and celebrated the accolade by planting a kiss on his partner Vito Cammisano,



Mais oui bien sur.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 10:27 AM (kdS6q)

326 "Blondies with whipped cream."

Ah, Whipped Cream and Other Delights:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/o4qtkm

Posted by: anon a mouse at December 05, 2014 10:27 AM (/jpU8)

327 The NFLs first openly gay player, Michael Sam, has been named Man of the Year by men's magazine GQ

Weird Al was robbed!

Posted by: HR needs donuts at December 05, 2014 10:27 AM (ZKzrr)

328 stop taxing them so it makes them 13 bucks a pack.

Then who will pay for our drones and MRAPs?

Posted by: NYPD Management at December 05, 2014 10:27 AM (XzRw1)

329

geez

what's all the commotion?

Todd Kincannon @Todd_Kincannon

So basically Peter Pan is a creepy lesbian child molester. How did @LenaDunham's agent not get her this part?


more at

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/peter-pan-panned

the reviews are scathing

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 05, 2014 10:28 AM (IXrOn)

330 Good questions.
as for #1,



Ask the black, female Sgt. that supervised it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2014 10:28 AM (qbJnm)

331 As I said, our rights are downstream those of petty criminals, so I'd prefer the least amount of force necessary to effect a goal, as a benefit to myself when I arise in a similar (but admittedly different) situation. But then I'm a crazy who also believes that ultimately you're responsible for your own safety, and every so often a truly violent and dangerous criminal may get away. Such is life.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks!

An excellent point. Problems here are, habitual criminals have at least a vague notion o fwhat shit they can get away with, and try to skate along that. Police do too, and you're right that they often lump everyone together. in a way, we're easier to control and yes, bully, than criminals, bec asue we AREN'T criminals (at heart). It's easier to give ot speeding tickets to people who say yes sir than to serve warrants on career criminals.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 10:29 AM (Spluw)

332 I think the Garner thing is an opportunity for the right to point out the logical consequences of nanny-staters' higher taxes and more government.

Posted by: @votermom at December 05, 2014 10:29 AM (K85RU)

333 >>>If you want to argue about the law (an argument I've been staying strictly out of)

This, I think, is the disconnect we're having. I'm not seeing anyone who is critical of the choking incident saying *this case* should've gone some other way. Its been argued and is done. We're saying the law is dumb, the choke technique is fault, etc. Race has nothing at all to do with it, nobody is impugning the cop or demanding his indictment that I've seen. We're having distinct and seperable arguments.

Posted by: Bigby's Grazzy Rookers at December 05, 2014 10:30 AM (3ZtZW)

334 Now I wasn't committing a crime (obviously) and I don't have any history
of violence that I know of. But I resisted his "authority."


No, you didn't. As someone who had not, and was not under suspicion of having, committed a criminal act, he had no special 'authority' over you in the first place, except perhaps to ask for identification.

The cops could have just stood around staring at Garner for hours, I guess, but I think they *also* thought they had better things to do than bust someone for selling cigarettes. So, if he won't comply, a "take down" becomes necessary.

If the cops knew he had a history of violent crime (and it seems quite plausible that they did- though we don't know that for sure), then escalating directly to violence (though the lowest level of which they were capable) is much more understandable. Maybe still not "good," but much more understandable.

I'm not saying the cops are completely innocent here. But I'm saying the person proximate to the event with the most culpability is Garner himself, not the police.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 10:31 AM (M1uf/)

335
Why did the other officers only rush in AFTER Pantaleo initiated the take-down?
Posted by: ScoggDog




Dogpile on the rabbit! Dogpile on the rabbit!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 10:32 AM (kdS6q)

336 Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 10:29 AM (Spluw

And every so often I'm going to have a bad day.

So when I tell a cop to shut up (something I've done before when I've had a bad day) I'd appreciate it if they don't bring down the whole force of government on me.

And yet, tons of times I see white teenagers handcuffed on the street near my parents home, while their cars are being searched. Probably because they mouth off to a cop who decided "I'm going to show this kid."

In some ways it's like retail. You're going to get a customer who's a complete jackass, you kinda have to still put on a happy face and play nice.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 10:32 AM (HDwDg)

337 332
I think the Garner thing is an opportunity for the right to point out
the logical consequences of nanny-staters' higher taxes and more
government.

All we have to do is elect reps that believe that.

Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 05, 2014 10:32 AM (XzRw1)

338 And do not get me wrong, my worry IS NOT about Eric Garner. Maybe it should be. I'm not a nice, or even good, person.


But I firmly believe, and history shows me right, that what cops are condoned to do to criminals today, they'll do to citizens tomorrow.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 10:33 AM (GoNER)

339 I'm not saying the cops are completely innocent here. But I'm saying the person proximate to the event with the most culpability is Garner himself, not the police

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 05, 2014 10:31 AM (M1uf/



I'm would agree with you.
But there's that NUANCE thing I keep talking about. I'd like to adjust the level and response of force in general.

And I'd disagree that I wasn't under suspicion.
I was clearly under suspicion for firing off fireworks (or depending on which cop you asked "discharging a weapon.") They made as much clear.

(Indeed if they really believed "gunshots" as they claimed when they marched onto my yard, I had the chance of being significantly more dangerous than this guy.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 05, 2014 10:35 AM (HDwDg)

340 Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 10:33 AM

You do know what cops were doing to criminals in the early 20th century right?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 05, 2014 10:39 AM (014lE)

341 Bob, when the English Navy ruled the world it was rum, sodomy, and the lash.


But I'm all in against the practice, even though it got results.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 05, 2014 10:42 AM (GoNER)

342
So having 8 domestic arrests justify his death. Got it. Fascism is cool!
Posted by: I can't breath




Nice Guy Fawkes mask. Really brings out the color of your eyes....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 10:43 AM (kdS6q)

343 ONT Fenelon followup:

It's frustrating when you're a person of goodwill and take people as
individuals than as part of a group and yet are automatically considered
racist merely because you don't accept leftist taking points.


My inability to not say "That's fucking ridiculous" has gotten me into trouble many times and isn't even in top 5 on the Why Dave isn't a minister list. It does shorten Software Dev meetings however.

Posted by: DaveA at December 05, 2014 10:43 AM (DL2i+)

344 And I'd disagree that I wasn't under suspicion. I was clearly under suspicion for firing off fireworks (or depending on which cop you asked "discharging a weapon.") They made as much clear. (Indeed if they really believed "gunshots" as they claimed when they marched onto my yard, I had the chance of being significantly more dangerous than this guy.)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks!
A very good point.

It's a very ugly intersection. We want police to be fair, professional and restrained. We also want them to be proactive. What we often get are policewho stand back and fill out paperwork and draw chalk outlines after the fact, roust teenagers and others who aren't likely to resist or be believed, or who are not politically connected. Hell, a mayor in MD was arrested and his dogs shot because someone was dealing drugs via FedEx and had arranged for the package to be dropped on his doorstep.
We've also seen what NY became when street crime and low level jerks were allowed to roam uncontested.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 05, 2014 10:44 AM (Spluw)

345 338 Posted by: I can't breath at December 05, 2014 10:32 AM (5B1u3)

Your interactions with LE determine LE's response matrix and LE has an institutional memory.

Still not in St Louis eh?

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at December 05, 2014 10:50 AM (/4AZU)

346 343 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 05, 2014 10:43 AM (kdS6q)

for being black and white the wearer sure does revel in shades of grey...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at December 05, 2014 10:52 AM (/4AZU)

347 209 Black lawmakers want Brown, Garner families invited to State of the Union
"I think that would be appropriate and fitting," said Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.).

Pubs should counter with the hot Fiancée.

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