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Guy Who Keeps Finding Jon Gruber Videos: There's Worse Coming Today
The media's going to have an Embargo Party.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2014 01:14 PM (M0mf2)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 13, 2014 01:15 PM (9LuAk)
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Posted by: Adriane the History Critic ... at November 13, 2014 01:15 PM (P+IZm)
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Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 01:16 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: akula51 at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (R5qgD)
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (JpC1K)
@NancyPelosi in 2009: "I don't know if you have seen Jonathan Gruber of MIT's analysis ..." http://cs.pn/1pVO9mY
via @cspanJeremy @jtinfo @AndrewKirell
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (QGgQ4)
Posted by: Chilling the most at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (wWs6x)
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: AMDG at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (eFytx)
What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1/!!!?1?!1!?!?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (HSmrB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Yuck, hate to be the Mop Boy on the set of The 5.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Nonapod at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (CLP9I)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (g2T/X)
Posted by: SH at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (gmeXX)
And it works, every time and without fail.
Squirrels and Shiny Stuff FTW!
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (PoKIA)
Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009.
wapo
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (IXrOn)
...did the air really pass from his lungs, through his vocal chords, and out his lips?
Posted by: Fringe at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (oWl4T)
And out congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: ABCCBSNBCCNNPMSDNCNYTWaPoEtAl at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (cL79m)
One would think the press would be a little bit miffed that their party is making them look like fools, after all, the press had staff who looked into the POS bill for months, and then they refused to cover it in deference to their party.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (MMC8r)
Yup, embargo-palooza!
Woohooo!
(repost)
Last night Bill O'Reilly covered how the media is NOT reporting on the Gruber admittance. He runs down the networks. "No coverage" at all from the majority. Otherwise, seconds.
Holy cow.
http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=610&vid=-751060910443461467
O'Reilly also hammers Howard Kurtz for his role in bias from when he worked at the WaPo. Ouch.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (ABcz/)
Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009.
wapo
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (IXrOn)
So I shouldn't have included the WaPo in my Presstitute Organ sock?
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (1hXm1)
Two more years of doubling down on all this crap and going even further left.
Yay
Posted by: texas t at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (gmQC3)
Posted by: Total Journalist! at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (EQcfE)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (FdlTq)
Posted by: VA Gator at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (ZZiTD)
Posted by: ejo at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (rsGj7)
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (oJNGo)
Posted by: Arguile the Sock at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (vy/Wl)
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (Cdl5U)
Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009.
I don't think Nancy Pelosi knows who Nancy Pelosi is half the time.
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (MMC8r)
We should get us some of those. Maybe pay them right out of the RNC budget or something. It's not like they are using the money for anything useful or anything.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (u9gzs)
In fact, my money is on, when SCOTUS declares the federal exchange subsidy unconstitutional (though pointedly not the tax based on its existence), the GOP will expand PlaceboCare to explicitly include a federal exchange subsidy.
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: simon peter at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (FdlTq)
Pride goeth before a fall. Hubris and contempt. Nobody likes it
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (jr5+1)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (7MWCL)
And out congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.
Posted by: Vic at Novembe
Once again Vic is spot on. Unfortunately, but it is what it is.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (/GgDU)
wapo
Rats, ship.
To steal a phrase: some disassembly required.
Posted by: tbodie at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (YE6fT)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: fly gal at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (8TdcF)
Posted by: MacGruber at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (S+el1)
Fixed for accuracy.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (g2T/X)
Posted by: Joe "My IQ is higher" Biden at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (QGgQ4)
Posted by: Shoot Me at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (EQcfE)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 112 days until spring training at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (l3vZN)
Brokaw first!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (IXrOn)
I'm all for getting this out so that it can be used in cases that will destroy Obamacare on legal grounds (given that RINOs won't repeal it).
Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (ABcz/)
.....Me likey.
Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 13, 2014 01:23 PM (3T+KU)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:23 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 13, 2014 01:23 PM (3T+KU)
Hopefully it will be something along the line of they brag about getting John Roberts to rule in their favor of scoamf care and/or how much they hate the Constitution.
Posted by: YIKES! at November 13, 2014 01:23 PM (dBK22)
Posted by: texas t at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (gmQC3)
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Nope. The dems have been busted on their claim of not knowing this guy or denying that he was a key player in Ocare's writing.
I think it's at WZ.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (oJNGo)
Posted by: Fritz at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (ABcz/)
No none of these videos matter legally.
Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (FA3Z7)
And out congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (u9gzs)
You saw that Mitch McConnell was unanimously re-elected as Senate Leader?
But the Tea Party are racists you know.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (Cdl5U)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Tired Mom at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (Rf6QT)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (xSCb6)
No, they REALLY think we're that dumb, that they can go to their little academic conferences and let the mask slip and no one will hold them accountable.
And we can also blame the media for that feeling on inviscibility.
Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (ABcz/)
Lemme see.
Pelosi is a liar?
Pelosi belongs in a straight jacket?
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi not only did not read the bill, but had no idea who wrote the bill?
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi is a liar.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: mallfly at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (Ktnum)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (ZkzmI)
Once again, we (and the nation) are running smack dab into problems associated with the fact that we have one party control of all information flow to the American people.
The roots of most of our current maladies are the result of this one party control of the information flow.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (txvbW)
Congressman who knew they were lying will be tempted to throw him under the bus and say they were misled to save themselves.
I think it's a game changer
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (jr5+1)
Their value is political, as in building even more support to junk this mess.
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (/Mxso)
Yep. It's a beautiful thing: let them fart off the first one as a one-off, the second one as a boo-boo, etc. but after a while the pattern cannot be ignored.
We're finally learning to play the media game, despite getting rabbit punched periodically by the ref, the MSM.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (oKE6c)
But your deductibles went up.
So. You have that going for you.
Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (1hXm1)
BTW - In calling the American people stupid and that they needed to be lied to so that the law would pass Dr. Gruber insults the Democrats and the Left. Republicans and conservatives were opposed to the law and never went along with it. Ordinary apolitical Americans were and are opposed to it. ObamaCare is the action that woke up the Tea Party. The only ones who supported ObamaCare - and thus the only ones the lying convinced - were Democrats and progressives.
"Progressives are gullible and easily led." - Dr. J. Gruber.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Blanked Out at the Outrage Outlet! at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (hLRSq)
But the Tea Party are racists you know.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (txvbW)
My question on that was is that election voided in Dec when this congress goes away and the new one starts in Jan?
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Bigby's Handwarmers at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (3ZtZW)
dab into problems associated with the fact that we have one party
control of all information flow to the American people.
The roots of most of our current maladies are the result of this one party control of the information flow.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (txvbW)
THIS.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (oKE6c)
Preach it, amen.
Posted by: akula51 at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (R5qgD)
Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (Cdl5U)
David Burge
The real scandal in Gruber's remarks: that he could say them publicly, in the complete confidence that no major media would quote him.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: NY Times Editors at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (0FSuD)
Gruber has already admitted lying. What else could he say that would be "worse?"
"Hey, that John Roberts? We totes blackmailed his ass to get this thing passed!"
"Don't worry about the GOP. We've already bought off McConnell with a young boy and Bohner with a pack of Luckys."
"Worse" would indicate something is coming that would obliterate Obamacare. Nothing of the sort is going to happen. Vic has the solid gold bet-your-wife-on-it lock prediction.
Posted by: Patrick Ewing's Cobbler at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (zF6Iw)
No wonder they want to control it so bad.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:28 PM (xSCb6)
SCOTUS isn't going to strike down the law, Obama isn't going to sign a repeal. This will never go away. The State only grows.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:28 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (PoKIA)
If you don't like the posts you don't have to read them. You have options - this isn't ObamaCare.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Blanked Out at the Outrage Outlet! at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (ABcz/)
Why doesn't he just release it?
Why does he need fox news or CNN.
Release what's worse, let's see it. (My guess is it'll say something about killing old people.)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 2 months! at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (Cdl5U)
Ummm what?
You are aware that the University of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania State University are two different universities, right?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)
Ya been took!
Ya been hoodwinked!
Bamboozled!
Led astray!
Run amok!
This is what He does..
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (Rx8ML)
Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: akula51 at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (R5qgD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (Cdl5U)
Iowahawk:
"Journalism is about covering stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving."
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (txvbW)
Absolute fact. Until this changes (or is changed), nothing else can.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: n at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (iBXmZ)
Accidentally heard an interview with this idiot (Gruber) a while back. Jaw-dropping. Just a basic understanding of economics, medicine, insurance, and the US situation made his comments bizarre and idiotic. He displayed not the slightest understanding of actual economics, insurance, etc. None. Delusional crap, delivered with a smarmy smug air about it.
But as there is no opposition party in the US, and no press, and a degraded populace and collapsed civic culture, no surprise that such idiocy can actually be allowed to damage the country.
Still waiting for the definitive data to declare "it's dead, Jim" on the US.
People speculate about what-ifs and worst cases on many subjects. Well here is one in real life. Millions of people - almost entirely the more responsible, successful, and self-sufficient - have been administered a body blow, out of the blue, having a needlessly expensive but otherwise taken-for-granted part of their financial life (health insurance) essentially ripped away from them. They have, suddenly, been confronted with serious financial hardship (material hits to their cash flow and savings plans), and threatened with financial penalties if they *don't* submit and pour more $$$$ down the rathole, for inferior coverage.
Sure, 2010, and 2014. But so what? And this idiot was re-elected in 2012? If the insane, un-American, ruinous final govt. destruction of health care finance doesn't generate some actual backlash - in actual law and policy, not at the ballot box - then there will be no reason to think that the controls are attached to the control surfaces any longer.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (afQnV)
VENGANCE !
Bloody, painful, torturous and protracted in nature. Utter destruction on every possible left-wing precept, doctrine, manifesto and law.
This, is a BURN IT DOWN, which I would support.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (7x4lH)
The real scandal in Gruber's remarks: that he could say them
publicly, in the complete confidence that no major media would quote
him.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (IXrOn)
Excellent point.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)
It would appear not.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (JpC1K)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)
Nevermind, he's rolling.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (fwARV)
iowahawk heard our call
"Jonathan Gruber? Never heard of him." - Nancy Pelosi
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/532964638733107201
lol
oh man
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (IXrOn)
Plus, they are going to be busy extolling the Benefits of Amnesty and the Vision and Wonder of Dear Leader.
Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (25HWz)
Dammit! Why does Gruber have to be a straight white male with a big WHITE parrot!!
-MSM
Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (fWAjv)
FIFY
Posted by: NY Times Editors at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (0FSuD)
If you like your conscience, you csn keep your condcience.
If you like your children, you can keep your children.
If you like your life, you can keep your life.
Posted by: Barack the beneficent, the merciful at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (fBW52)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)
He's probably still bitching about how the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: physics geek at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Al Sharpton on MSNBC at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (Rx8ML)
Posted by: socalcon at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (vHlQ5)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (oKE6c)
But your deductibles went up.
So. You have that going for you.
Posted by: garrett at November 13
Me too. Now I don't feel like a special snowflake anymore. :-(
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (/GgDU)
We're finally learning to play the media game, despite getting rabbit punched periodically by the ref, the MSM.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (oKE6c)
I've seen Wrestling matches on television where the wrestlers get tired of the deliberate one sided bullshit from some referees, and end up throwing them out of the ring.
This analogy works on so many levels.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (ZKzrr)
-----------------------------------
Once again, Pelosi and Reid have been busted on their claim of not knowing this guy. Reid touted him on the senate floor and Pelosi sang his praises on her website.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (oJNGo)
Posted by: socalcon at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (vHlQ5
Crams popcorn through USB. With bourbon.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (fwARV)
This time though, with the advisory that it's an instruction manual, and not merely a work of fiction.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (7x4lH)
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM
Don't underestimate the "conservatives'" inaction when the news of any government overreach does dribble out.
Without the deafening silence from the so-called opposition, it's just possible some of the Choom Gang's more destructive efforts would have been stymied.
But there's always a Gruber, or a Moe DeGrass, Tyson or an Anthony Weiner to take heat away from the Mocha Messiah.
Republicans: the Part That Sweats the Small Shit. While the Really Big Shit floats happily past them.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (PoKIA)
But... but... I _created_ you.
Posted by: Al Gore at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13
That was a fast lunch. WTF you do, go through a Burger King drive through?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (MMC8r)
He's now an Obama appointee.
Posted by: rickl at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (jr5+1)
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (Rx8ML)
vic bet his wife?
Posted by: n at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (iBXmZ)
Easy now, I don't think Vic's wife is in good health. Leave that alone.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (kQBSd)
I believe that you mean the Potomac Basin Indigenous People.
Posted by: physics geek at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (kQBSd)
....or a sketch on Saturday Night Live.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Tired Mom at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (Rf6QT)
Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (5ETeA)
Do you have any idea what the spiff is on that? I made 50 cents off the goddamn DVD player and $15 bucks off the extended warranty.
Easiest sale ever. She was some old bat who probably couldn't remember what she had for breakfast. But, hey, not my problem, right? I mean, if you're stupid enough to buy it, I'm not gonna leave $15 bucks lying on the goddamn floor.
Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Romey-Gruber 2016! at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (lJLML)
or that illegals were part of the plan, or destroying private plans, or death panels
or that his great grandfather was Hitler, or he drones on in his self important tones about his love of Marxist theory
or he think gas chambers for the tea party would be his final solution ...
ha ... well hopefully the surprise is something to get the networks to cover it, instead of covering it ... up.
Posted by: Illiniwek at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (kjyac)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (kff5f)
Ain't no possible about it. Gruber did sign an amicus brief in the Halbig case.
It's right here.
http://tinyurl.com/mf3rj6u
That's why I keep saying the Halbig case is where the real juice is in all of this.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (g1DWB)
his Hugo Boss SS uniform saying that all the gays should be in the
camps, too, I don't think it will get much play.
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (Rx8ML)
It wouldn't even get much play THEN.
But his name's trending on twitter, and that means that LoFos are seeing it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Al Sharpton on MSNBC at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (Rx8ML)
Filthy 2 dollar worse or the high class worse?
Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (fWAjv)
Speaking of videos, now that Team SCOAMF is on record they will give anything to Iran to get any deal, and they will do nothing to support Israel, can MOSSAD hack the Khalidi toast tape from Bienart and LA Times?
Maybe it will help GOP rouse popular opinion so they can push sanctions through and block his imminent sellout to Iran
Posted by: ginaswo at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (+X1qa)
Posted by: Nakoula Basseley, former independent film maker at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (8TdcF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
He'd become a black hole of democrat claptrap.
Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (pMGkg)
And that would be different...how exactly would that be different?
Posted by: physics geek at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (jr5+1)
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (kQBSd
I thought their coach was Jay Gruber, brother of John Gruber. You know that guy who looks like Chucky
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (/GgDU)
My question on that was is that election voided in Dec when this congress goes away and the new one starts in Jan?
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (u9gzs)
Haven't got a clue, but the cynic in me tells me that this is gonna be the deal.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Dr. Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (lJLML)
I could understand everything he was talking about. If you get a chance, go to a math conference sometime. Go see a "good speaker". You will have no idea what they mean. It's arcane minutia.
I could actually have a debate with Gruber on his own subject and, with enough preparation, win the argument.
Am I supposed to have respect for that?
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (L2xDv)
Uh, $6.
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (fwARV)
*ahem*
::: raised eyebrow :::
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (JpC1K)
I would imagine he wrote a lot more lies in it. Simplifying the ACA for the serfs, yo!
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (ABcz/)
Signs pint to "yes."
This guy is shaming the lying, treasonous, throne-sniffing MFM HARD and I am loving it!
Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
There is going to come a time in the very near future where this monstrosity just doesn't work. At that point, go long on rope and pitch forks.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (g2T/X)
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (kFxpe)
I'm all for getting this out so that it can be used in cases that will destroy Obamacare on legal grounds (given that RINOs won't repeal it).
Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (ABcz/)
Pssst, you left a stinky sock on too long.
Anyway, here's what's going to happen in that case.
- The subsidies on the federal-run exchanges will be deemed unconstitutional, technically because that's what the law says, but really because the intent and goal all along is to make the states the bagmen for the exchange horseshit.
- However, for the purpose of the Roberts Memorial PlaceboCare Non-Insurance
- The "GOP" will do what they always do when handed power after a massive expansion of the welfare state and expand it further by authorizing subsidies on the federal-run exchanges.
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Tired Mom at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (Rf6QT)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (jr5+1)
Tell us SCOTUS what does Letter of the Law mean
Posted by: ginaswo at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (+X1qa)
We all owe a debt to Andrew Breitbart.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Al Sharpton on MSNBC at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM
Well played.
golf clap
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (2Ayux)
Why does he need fox news or CNN.
Release what's worse, let's see it. (My guess is it'll say something about killing old people.)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 2 months! at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (HDwDg)
Because the guy is obviously media savvy. Part of the story is the story's unfolding. We - and a lot of other patriots, I'll wager - are now waiting with bated breath for the next one. That electricity draws the attention of others, which it was what makes a story go viral. Now Fox and CNN (and even MSNBC) are all waiting for the other shoe to drop, and all will feel pressure to cover it so as not to be seen to be left out.
It's brilliant. It's the strategy that a-hole used to promote that ridiculous Segway. Remember that?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (oKE6c)
My guess is... no.
Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (25HWz)
Wow, talk about mixed emotions.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (sH832)
The only ones who supported ObamaCare - and thus the only ones the lying
convinced - were Democrats and progressives.
"Progressives are gullible and easily led." - Dr. J. Gruber.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Blanked Out at the Outrage Outlet! at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (hLRSq)
Actually it was the bailout(s) i.e. "rewarding bad behavior" as Rick Santelli put it. The Tea Party started in Feb 2009.
Posted by: Miley's Tongue at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (R+h7Q)
Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (1hXm1)
Gruber admits global warming is a lie?
Gruber says he hates gays?
Gruber supports Israel?
Gruber calls Nancy Pelosi a krunt?
Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (oFCZn)
He's very O'Keefe-like
Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM
I suspect Kim Kardashian's name is trending on Twitter, too.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (PoKIA)
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (g2T/X)
Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009. "
A reasonable person would think that one asshole getting caught declaring Americans stupid would, you know, serve as a warning against other assholes thinking they can treat Americans like they're stupid.
A reasonable person would be wrong.
Posted by: Fringe at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (oWl4T)
To steal a phrase: some
Posted by: tbodie at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (YE6fT)
ReWrite engaged for Fleebaggers.
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (cL79m)
If you thought Piers Morgan was a fantastic British export product, wait till you get a look at me!
Posted by: The Liverpool Care Pathway at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (noWW6)
At this point, Dems *want* SCOTUS to strike it down.
It's an albatross. They get the added bonus of being able to inveigh against the court and "conservative judicial activism."
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (oKE6c)
:::: looks longingly in corner :::
It is not ridiculous.
It is the badge of my calling.
Posted by: Paul Blart, Mall Cop at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (JpC1K)
Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (8GKDa)
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (JpC1K)
The last time I assisted you with bourbon, you spent most of the next day hammered. I'm looking out for your interests here.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (4df7R)
Haven't got a clue, but the cynic in me tells me that this is gonna be the deal.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (txvbW
Just playing devil's advocate, who would run against Mitch? Is there enough support with the new senators? My answers are no one and no. Mitch has the old wing locked up, Rand supports him. That leaves Lee, Cruz and Johnson to come up with an alternative. Don't see it happening. Sorry
I think the house maybe a different story but not holding my breath there either.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (/GgDU)
MSM: So what he's really saying is that Republicans are lying about how awesome Obamacare is.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (0LHZx)
Classic example of how the SJW scum have taken over tech news.
The Verge @verge 4h
I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is sexist and ostracizing http://theverge.com/e/6977860
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)
Meh. U. Penn, Penn State, state pen. You say "tomayto, I say tomahto."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (7MWCL)
This is what I've been saying.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (g2T/X)
Posted by: Dr. Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (lJLML)
VENGANCE !
Bloody, painful, torturous and protracted in nature. Utter destruction on every possible left-wing precept, doctrine, manifesto and law.
This, is a BURN IT DOWN, which I would support.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (7x4lH)
Concur. I repeatedly say that the number one duty of the next administration needs to be putting this current group in jail, to include their donors and supporters.
We need some fucking carnage going on in the left wing monied circles.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Media sycophants at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (rEXOB)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth
I'm just waiting for Obammy to have a presser where he claims to have learned who Gruber was through the Die Hard movie and sequels.
FIFY
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: kj at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (lKyWE)
record they will give anything to Iran to get any deal, and they will do
nothing to support Israel, can MOSSAD hack the Khalidi toast tape from
Bienart and LA Times?
Maybe it will help GOP rouse popular opinion so they can push sanctions through and block his imminent sellout to Iran
Posted by: ginaswo at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (+X1qa)
I expect that tape sleeps with the fishes. What's the point of keeping it, and worrying that it might leak? The LAT doesn't need leverage on the Politburo.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (oKE6c)
Oh, yay! Excellent.
Soon I will be able to read 140 character screeds about how he "misspoke" and if you don't believe that then you're a racist.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (Ca7Ob)
Posted by: Breitbart at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (kFxpe)
Posted by: Miley's Tongue at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (R+h7Q)
Nope. It started on 16Dec, 2007.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (8ZskC)
It's about goddamn time too.
Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (oFCZn)
Welcome back MWR!
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (v5UtH)
Oh...wait.
I see.
OK, well, we might have gotten 55 seats instead of 54!
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (K4YiS)
Plus, they are going to be busy extolling the Benefits of Amnesty and the Vision and Wonder of Dear Leader.
Posted by: shibumi
Embargo already breached by CBS and CNN.
But yes, they'll have 'experts' spin and massage it into 'just another GOP fake scandal.'
Already the talking points being repeated:
- Gruber who? He's not important.
- Also, he was just being "infelicitous". No biggie.
- Don't listen to the GOP; they don't want you to have health insurance!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (QGgQ4)
Posted by: mallfly at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (bJm7W)
They seriously wrote a headline that says:
"I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is sexist and ostracizing" cause one of the goddamn rocket scientists who landed a goddamn spaceship on a goddamn comet was wearing a goddamn Hawaiian shirt with sexy lady on it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (oFCZn)
of the next administration needs to be putting this current group in
jail, to include their donors and supporters.
We need some fucking carnage going on in the left wing monied circles.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (txvbW)
D-Lamp 2016.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Al Sharpton's Teleprompter
Fixed it for you, bro.
Posted by: Fringe at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (oWl4T)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (L2xDv)
This is the political guild protecting itself.
Arcane language, legal degrees as de facto perquisites for office or other positions of power, appeal to authority or credentials.....
The founders would be very angry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Jon Gruber, Shitweasel at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Merkan at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (hm8tW)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/knpu7yg
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (ABcz/)
It's the whole "momologuing" thing from The Incredibles, writ large...
Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)
===========================
One plays Ohio State and the other doesn't matter. That's all I know.
Posted by: MTF at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (v5UtH)
119 off times sock
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13
That was a fast lunch. WTF you do, go through a Burger King drive through?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (/GgDU)
Hour and a half. The rest of these folks have sort of jobs. Campaign directors of Rep Hudson and Sen Burr were there. Fun times, but they could not drink.
I took up the sack, ha ah
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (0FSuD)
But good luck getting NBC to take your money to run it.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (ZKzrr)
OK, well, we might have gotten 55 seats instead of 54!
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (K4YiS)
56. Reverse the results in NH and VA.
Posted by: physics geek at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (MT22W)
My bad.
I was typing in a hurry.
Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Miley's Tongue
Nope. It started on 16Dec, 2007.
Dec. 16th, 1773.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (g2T/X)
Posted by: wth at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (wAQA5)
The first rule of Fuck Over the Proles Club, is don't talk about Fuck Over the Proles Club.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Mr. Dr. Cecile "Captain Arugula" For The Win at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (rtjLI)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (wtvvX)
I understand that it features intrepid hero Gruber fending off "cartoon villains such as a
mummy who warns that Obamacare won't cover the uninsured and a
lagoon creature who tries to scare people into thinking the law
will cause insurance premiums to rise".
I don't know about you, but I'm going to look up this lagoon creature pronto. It seems to be really on the ball with its predictions.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (noWW6)
This is a huge, possible game changer for me. If we can't propose and sell good progressive legislation on its merits without succumbing to deception and contempt of the people, then I just don't know what. I am as dispirited now than I can remember ever being, more so than in 2000, 2004 or 2010. I am NOT, decidedly NOT, have NEVER been a subscriber to the philosophy that 'the ends justify the means.' I hate them all, because it's clear that they hate me and people like me.
Insert Nelson Muntz HAAAA HAAAA here.
Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (L2xDv)
"Enough preparation" being defined as "breathing."
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (kQBSd)
This is why the MSM clutches to old skool analog taping methods.
Posted by: Bigby's Handwarmers at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: wth at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Your betters in the MSM at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (Zu3d9)
There seems to be a trend of giant asses trending on Twitter then.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (Mxs5H)
Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (v5UtH)
Posted by: Michael Mann, Nobel Laureate at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (LISuA)
He did say that he originally believed everything Obama said about O-DeathCare.
The MFM will paint him as a rayciss wingnut regardless though.
Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Miley's Tongue
Nope. It started on 16Dec, 2007.
Dec. 16th, 1773.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (g2T/X)
Little know fact, it was an Iced Tea Party cause the water in Boston Harbor was damn cold
Read in Jefferson's autobiography, "Sneakin' Downstairs to See Sally"
Posted by: MikeH at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (136wp)
One plays Ohio State and the other doesn't matter. That's all I know.
Posted by: MTF at November 13, 2
That's THEE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY according to all of the illiterate football players who went there and onto the NFL
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (/GgDU)
My guess is... no.
Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (25HWz)
Это правильно, товарищ
Posted by: политическая шл& at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (lN8KC)
I've since had my stomach lined with charcoal.
At the 1:20 mark:
http://tinyurl.com/qxcv2c7
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (JpC1K)
No disrespect to your ginormous math brain but when a guy has to lie to win an argument about his supposed area of expertise he doesn't appear to be a very formidable debate opponent.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (g1DWB)
They seriously wrote a headline that says:
"I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is
sexist and ostracizing" cause one of the goddamn rocket scientists who
landed a goddamn spaceship on a goddamn comet was wearing a goddamn
Hawaiian shirt with sexy lady on it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif)
I love how the shirt covered in sexy ladies gets all the attention, but no one bothers to mention the guy's full-arm sleeve tattoos. He's clearly not your stereotypical "science nerd," and I doubt he gives a rat's ass what anyone thinks of his shirt. But I guess when you're wearing a shirt covered in images of beautiful women, the left's "Be yourself! Be Unique! Be Awesome!" mantra goes right out the window.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: TexasJew at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (mndtc)
There seems to be a trend of giant asses trending on Twitter then.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (Mxs5H)
Thread. Winner.
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (Rx8ML)
Um, dude/.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (8ZskC)
You may have a point, but if that happens we get to beat them about the head and neck with the censorship stick.
For serious, I don't know the first thing about video editing or advertising. I'm just some guy on the internet. Isn't there someone inside the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy who has the brains to pull something like this off?
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (Ca7Ob)
I'll take "what is a grease-stained Wet Wipecovered in crayon?" for $500, Alex.
Posted by: Patrick Ewing's Cobbler at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Huma Abedin at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (25HWz)
Question: How has he not gone full Communist?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (8ZskC)
MIT President I.P. Freeley announced today that based on recent events the University has decided to change its name to the Massachusetts Institute of Mendacity. "The MIT abbreviation uses harsh masculine tones. MIM just rolls off the tongue and is more diverse and less threatening. Like a Milkyu Way. And mendacity kinda rhymes with technology. So there's that."
Posted by: Associated Press - Breaking News at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (lJLML)
Posted by: no good deed at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (w3a0Z)
Posted by: Hat at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Ronan Farrow at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (sj3Ax)
Heh. But of course he's just another smarmy, smarter-than-you lefty gasbag who couldn't stop running his mouth. The dope's up to his neck in it now.
Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (o4zQD)
Posted by: kj at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (lKyWE)
Wait, they agree they are stupid?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (8ZskC)
Don't lick it.
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (Rx8ML)
Pelosi Said She Doesn't Know Who Jonathan Gruber Is Despite Previously Citing Him By Name
http://t.co/Yt0fpK9SIu
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (ZPrif)
The conservatarian "alternative" newsstream managed to defeat the MSM.
This is a major social earthquake.
We have not been able to unseat the Gramscian cryptocommunists who have taken over almost the entirely of the mainstream media, and so they retain an iron grip on it, with the attendant water-carrying for Obama, embargoing of stories that hurt the liberal cause, and constant relentless "framing the narrative" from a Marxist vantage point.
However, we've created or acquiring or amplified so many alternate streams that a significant proportion of the electorate "got the message" anyway (i.e. perceived current events through a conservatarian filter).
The alternate streams include:
1. Drudge
2. Right-wing talk radio
3. Fox News on cable
4. Conservative blogosphere
5. Anti-progressive Twitter, Facebook and social media.
6. A growing number of conservative and libertarian news sites and magazines
7. A burgeoning number of "local reporters" for local TV stations that sneak in anti-progressive stories.
8. Other stuff that probably eludes me at the moment.
All of these combined created an "end-around" to the MSM. And continues to do so.
Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no longer hold the information monopoly.
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: TexasJew at November 13, 2014 01:
Just.Lost.Lunch.
Thanks a bunch
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (/GgDU)
----------------------------------
She said this three times, before the barbed cock of Dick Cheney crowed.
Posted by: Roy at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (VndSC)
I'm pretty sure my 7-yr-old could win a policy debate over Jon "Givin' a bad name to Hans" Gruber.
Also- Cicero, I think all the Hazmat suits are at the cleaners.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (kff5f)
Nancy Pelosi Says She Doesn't Know The Guy Who Helped Write The Bill She Didn't Read
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (ZPrif)
the attention, but no one bothers to mention the guy's full-arm sleeve
tattoos. He's clearly not your stereotypical "science nerd," and I doubt
he gives a rat's ass what anyone thinks of his shirt. But I guess when
you're wearing a shirt covered in images of beautiful women, the left's
"Be yourself! Be Unique! Be Awesome!" mantra goes right out the window.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014
He should just claim to be a pre-op tranny lesbian, empowering the sisterhood!
Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (8GKDa)
Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (v5UtH)
Temperature is the least of your worries.
The inner...coating...is starting to move.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (xSCb6)
That's the kind of thing you only learn after spending years fighting the Viet Cong.
Posted by: John Kerry at November 13, 2014 01:50 PM (HstNY)
The random bio-waste acts as a pretty good layer of insulation.
Or so I'm told.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:50 PM (kff5f)
they don't think he is talking about them,trust me
Posted by: kj at November 13, 2014 01:50 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: John Kerry at November 13, 2014 01:50 PM (HstNY)
To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong.
Posted by: Jon "Carl" Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (136wp)
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (JpC1K)
Hm. Fair enough.*shoves*
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (fwARV)
I'll bet he claimed it was because it was cold out. IYKWIMAIKTYD
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (g2T/X)
None of this matters. Truly. It's enraging, but it doesn't matter.
SCOTUS isn't going to strike down the law, Obama isn't going to sign a repeal. This will never go away. The State only grows.
---------
Yep. Elections matter.
Posted by: Lea at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (lIU4e)
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Didja see Li'l Joey Boo Boo's comment that "middle class" is not a compliment in D.C.? It means you're not sophisticated.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Arguile the Sock at November 13, 2014 01:52 PM (vy/Wl)
(Shhhh....Spoiler alert: There is a Gruber who is a registered Republican!)
Posted by: Matt Yglesias at November 13, 2014 01:52 PM (LISuA)
Yes, the Gentry always sneers as the Commoners.
"Middle Class" has simply replaced "Common" in the lexicon.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (kff5f)
Tester will be the next Dem Senate Campaign Committee (DSCC) chair
Wicker will be the next National GOP Senatorial Committee (NRSC) chair.
Posted by: The Senatorial Hat at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (lN8KC)
women, the left's "Be yourself! Be Unique! Be Awesome!" mantra goes
right out the window.
Bingo!
And as someone mentioned in the last thread, feminists would defend any woman who insisted on dressing like the babes in his shirt ("How dare you criticize her, slutshamers?!!!").
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (ABcz/)
Uh-oh
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Nancy Pelosi In 2009: Americans Should Read Jonathan Gruber's ObamaCare Analysis ... http://youtu.be/pHFOgjXevdk via @YouTube
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (8GKDa)
Hardcore feminists actually HATE transgenders. They refuse to call them women.
I asked one of them on Twitter if it would have been okay had the scientist been a woman wearing a shirt sporting a barechested Fabio.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (4df7R)
Nancy Pelosi
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She said this three times, before the barbed cock of Dick Cheney crowed.
Posted by: Roy
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Something bad usually happens when you say something three times.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (g2T/X)
Posted by: Flounder at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (4/rsl)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (XUKZU)
Arcane language, legal degrees as de facto perquisites for office or other positions of power, appeal to authority or credentials.....
My job is to take ridiculously complicated subjects and try to boil them down to the point where they can be understood and that metaphysically certain facts can be divined from them.
Their job is to take absurdly easy concepts, some of which are horribly wrong and try to use language to cover up their simplicity.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (oKE6c)
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Not true, Komrad. Everyone needs leverage against Politburo.
Posted by: Pravda at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (oJNGo)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (ttJ2z)
Leading from behind. Russia tells us to fuck off on Nuclear monitoring.
http://tinyurl.com/lc9cyle
Is there ANY PLACE Obama has not fucked up?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD)
Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 11m
Awkward...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHFOgjXevdk&feature=youtu.be
Nancy Pelosi In 2009: Americans Should Read Jonathan Gruber's ObamaCare Analysis ... http://youtu.be/pHFOgjXevdk via @YouTube
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (ZPrif)
Of course it does. It does when you wear any shirt of which they don't approve.
Because their real mantra is: "Be yourself (as long as that's just like us)! Be Unique (as long as that's just like us)! Be Awesome (but not really, because awesome is being yourself and/or unique in a way not like us)."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:55 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 13, 2014 01:55 PM (ttJ2z)
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD)
No.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:55 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Nerd Stark at November 13, 2014 01:55 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (sj3Ax)
scientist been a woman wearing a shirt sporting a barechested Fabio.
I've got some quilt fabric with some shirtless firefighters. I wonder if there's enough for a shirt.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: sheriff bart at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (MtkQi)
Try Sanskrit. Just because I want to know how the hamsters react, but I'm kind of afraid it would lead to an autobanning.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: @votermom at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (N3QCP)
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD)
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Totally agree. If anything, whatever the Progs recommend I've come to believe we should do the exact opposite. We get better odds of survival that way.
Posted by: Matt Yglesias at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (LISuA)
Insty linked a post by RS McCain on the various ... flavors of feminism and their response to transgenders.
Yes, the hardcore feminists want that specific genetic distinction, giving them full use of the class distinction arguments.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Stupid Voter at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (N3Y73)
you gruber didn't say anything these people don't agree whole heartedly
with.
The beauty is that they're agreeing with their own stupidity.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (FdlTq)
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bth, if you're referring to the story on Drudge, he's identified as a Democrat in the second sentence.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (5f5bM)
Posted by: MTF at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (LISuA)
But I'm grateful his legacy lives on.
Posted by: Filly at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (ZWmKk)
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD)
Definitely not Reggie's ass.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Gallow's Humidor at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (KG1MP)
Is there ANY PLACE Obama has not fucked up?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD
His wife despises him.
His? daughters laugh at him.
Putin owns him like a bitch
The Chinese think he is funnier than Jerry Lewis.
The EU don't listen to him.
Yeah, everything he touches turns to shit.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (/GgDU)
170 THERE'S WORST COMING TODAY!?!?!
Actually, I believe Rev. Al's exact quote will be:
Resist we much from wurst that might be going to reside from sides of the Other!
Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (25HWz)
But his name's trending on twitter, and that means that LoFos are seeing it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM
I suspect Kim Kardashian's name is trending on Twitter, too.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (PoKIA)
It is not her name that is trending on twitter.
Posted by: Penfold at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (Fbt5B)
Here's a real gem.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pf48gg6
And gee whiz, Wally, who might that be proudly signing version 1.0 of Grubercare into law at the state level?
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (noWW6)
Isn't part of Joey's schtick that he comes from the middle class?
I guess the guy has trouble remembering since he's got all those degrees to keep track of.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: John "Walter" Kerry at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (XUKZU)
Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no longer hold the information monopoly.
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (K4YiS)
I think you give too much credit to the alternate news streams. I think a lot of our victories had to do with the general suckage created by the Obama government, the likes of which has gotten so bad that even the Black communities are starting to notice.
I heard Reince Priebus mentioning on Tavis Smiley last night that we hit record numbers with Blacks and Latinos.
I think the immigration thing with the ebola thing and a lot of other things combined to get some attention where it wouldn't have before.
And yes, alternative media helped.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:00 PM (txvbW)
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His father was a Welch coal miner.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:00 PM (XUKZU)
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IT'S HER VAGINA AND BOOBIES AND BUTT CUZ SHE'S NEKID!
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (ZPrif)
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/13/politics/tapper-gruber/index.html
[...]In this fourth video, Gruber's language is not as stark as in three previous instances, but his suggestion that Obamacare proponents engaged in less-than-honest salesmanship remains.
"Barack Obama's not a stupid man, okay?" Gruber said in his remarks at the College of the Holy Cross on March 11, 2010. "He knew when he was running for president that quite frankly the American public doesn't actually care that much about the uninsured....What the American public cares about is costs. And that's why even though the bill that they made is 90% health insurance coverage and 10% about cost control, all you ever hear people talk about is cost control. How it's going to lower the cost of health care, that's all they talk about. Why? Because that's what people want to hear about because a majority of American care about health care costs."
[...]
Gruber said the measures in the bill that attempt to lower costs constitute a "spaghetti approach" -- throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. And while preferable to the status quo, Gruber said he could offer no guarantee that any of the measures would work.
What are the Obamacare trade-offs
"The only way we're going to stop our country from being a latter day Roman Empire and falling under its own weight is getting control of the growth rate of health care costs," he said. "The problem is we don't know how." Experts "know what the problem is," he said. "Our providers are paid enormously high. In the 1950s surgeons are middle class guys like professors...Now they live on the Hamptons, the Cape, they're like investment bankers.
Gruber said attempts to control costs in a real way were politically untenable. "The problem is if we just say, 'Look, let's just cut our spending,' well, the problem is you're going to then eat into what the rich guys are getting that they're liking. And that doesn't go so well. That's going to be pretty hard politically. That's why no one has a politically feasible way right now to bend the cost curve, it just doesn't exist." Politicians could suggest capping costs but "you wouldn't win many elections." [...]
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)
Late to the thread but that's a little too Boys From Brazil-ish.
[Gregory Peck and Steve Gutenberg in the same movie? O.M.G.]
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (JO9+V)
and try to boil them down to the point where they can be understood and
that metaphysically certain facts can be divined from them.
Their job is to take absurdly easy concepts, some of which are
horribly wrong and try to use language to cover up their simplicity.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (L2xDv)
Me too. The difference is math and science (real science, not bullshit "science") is complicated, and often not within intuitive reach.
Social science is generally just the opposite, and its practitioners generally suffer from galloping intellectual penis envy, so they adopt a convoluted and inaccessible argot to make their pronouncements seem profound. The social science literature is the apotheosis of this effect.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: The chicken at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (K4YiS)
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Agree 100%. Last week's election results should have ended this doubt.
Posted by: Pravda at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (oJNGo)
I expect that tape sleeps with the fishes. What's the point of keeping it, and worrying that it might leak? The LAT doesn't need leverage on the Politburo.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (oKE6c)
I agree. The only reason I can think of for keeping it would be for blackmail.
Posted by: rickl at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (zoehZ)
Senior Moment: Pelosi Says She Doesn't Know Man She's Cited Several Times goo.gl/YfbMgZ via @StephenGutowski pic.twitter.com/d7GbF0X0OO
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (kff5f)
Do I look like a Guinea Pig?
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (cL79m)
Hey, we can dream, right?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:03 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:03 PM (oJNGo)
Hardcore feminists actually HATE transgenders. They refuse to call them women.
I asked one of them on Twitter if it would have been okay had the scientist been a woman wearing a shirt sporting a barechested Fabio.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (4df7R)
8 year old little girl coming out as "Transgendered."
http://www.youtube.com/embed/bWPEvmwG9Vw
I cannot help but feeling mommy put her up to it.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:03 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (4df7R)
The guy has his arms tattooed from his wrists to at least his elbows and the most off-putting thing about him is the shirt?
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 02:04 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (cL79m)
**slides guinea pig feed back under desk**
No. Not at all.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:04 PM (kff5f)
Sounds like the pot smoker calling the kettle black. Or something. (Is that racist?)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 13, 2014 02:05 PM (zpZLP)
Price controls?
What could go wrong?
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:05 PM (GQ8sn)
to do so. Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no
longer hold the information monopoly.
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (K4YiS)
Imagine how frustrated the Reds must be. Just when they finally succeed in penetrating and controlling the majority of news outlets, boom! Myriad other sources suddenly erupt all over the place that give the lie to the Party line, and cannot even all be identified, much less controlled. Everybody's now got a printing press, a TV network, and a megaphone.
Their frustration must know no bounds.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (oKE6c)
"Jonathan Gruber? Never heard of him." -
Nancy Pelosi
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She said this three times, before the barbed cock of Dick Cheney crowed.
Posted by: Roy
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Something bad usually happens when you say something three times.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (g2T/X)
"Gruberjuice, Gruberjuice, Gruberjuice..."
Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (5f5bM)
Playing satan's lawyer here, but the central crux of this guy's argument is 100% accurate. The general voter is a lamebrain...ignorant of history, unversed in current affairs, and totally obsessed with little besides Kim K's big shiny ass.
Posted by: Ezra's Equal at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (fQXOB)
And you'll note he never *once* suggests sending it back to the private sector to see if the private sector could find some way to "control costs."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (kff5f)
Wow, he actually is half as smart as he thinks he is. Assumptions, false choices, and factual inaccuracies are no way to go through policy discussions.
Well, actually these days it is. But one can dream.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:07 PM (xSCb6)
And our congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.
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I guess removing or ignoring the Constitutional protections created by the Founders has consequences.
Posted by: despair at November 13, 2014 02:07 PM (dcY7v)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 13, 2014 02:07 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (oKE6c)
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Hence the need for the FCC to regulate the Internet like a public utility.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2014 02:08 PM (5f5bM)
Me too. The difference is math and science (real science, not bullshit "science") is complicated, and often not within intuitive reach.
Social science is generally just the opposite, and its practitioners generally suffer from galloping intellectual penis envy, so they adopt a convoluted and inaccessible argot to make their pronouncements seem profound. The social science literature is the apotheosis of this effect.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (oKE6c)
This I believe, but I usually just summarize their "sciences" as psychobabble.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:08 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (JO9+V)
You're welcome.
Posted by: The Stonecutters at November 13, 2014 02:08 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (L2xDv)
Genetics? Can we even mention genetics any more? I thought heredity was a social construct. That's why I'm teaching my golden retriever calculus.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:09 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:09 PM (qRuG2)
well, that excerpt (from the "new" video?) from Gruber is a good illustration of this "economist"'s economic illiteracy.
Gee, nobody knows how to lower costs? Really, airhead? How about the only way costs have ever been - and always been - lowered, on this planet, with humans, engaged in trade and commerce and services?
Uh huh. Competition and innovation. End of story. Health insurance finance has been made into a frankenstein by disconnecting prices from consumbers. Duh. By state govt. interference, by federal govt. interference. There is absolutely nothing about health care or its finance that doesn't lend itself to the cost-containment dynamics seen in every other market for private goods.
Oh - and the bit about doctors not making more than professors a while back? WTF? Hey, idiot, look at the compensation for academics (from K thru university) over the last 50 years. Now compare that to physicians' incomes. Which one has grown nearly vertically - in fact, a key driver of the single worst inflationary sub-sector in the American economy, that of university "education"? Uh huh.
THIS is what I was talking about. Utterly illiterate as to both general principles and specifics of the sector under discussion. And idiots like THIS have any place at any serious table to discuss ANY serious topic?
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Ezra's Equal
Actually, no. They aimed at a segment of the population, using a combination of a compilicit media, pandering Dems and lies. And it still required $500M in bribes, a party line vote at Midnight on Christmas eve and smearing anyone who dared disagree as being a nazi/racist. And this steaming pile has never achieve a plurality of support.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (Spluw)
Point of order. You can say that about the average liberal voter, not so much the average conservative voter.
Voting conservative means you need to have an understanding of history, current events, math, economics and a host of issues big enough to fill Kim Kardashian's ass. Voting liberal just means you have a Pavlovian brain that forces you to vote for a liberal when you hear words like racist, sexist, LGBT or some other victim terminology.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Your MSM Betters at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (Spluw)
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Sorry, baby, twelve Gruber videos is my limit.
Posted by: sheriff bart at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (MtkQi)
Baby, please, I am not from Havana
http://tinyurl.com/3wn4px8
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:09 PM (qRuG2)
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Heathcare dot gov login page was not displaying correctly yesterday.
Posted by: RioBravo at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (SaMXZ)
I guess removing or ignoring the Constitutional protections created by the Founders has consequences.
Posted by: despair at November 13, 2014 02:07 PM (dcY7v)
Especially that one about "natural born citizen" which is a function of natural law, and not English common law as most people have been misled to believe.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (txvbW)
Senior Moment: Pelosi Says She Doesn't Know Man She's Cited Several Times goo.gl/YfbMgZ via @StephenGutowski pic.twitter.com/d7GbF0X0OO
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (ZPrif)
Rats... sinking ship....
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (f0pWu)
That said, a front-line air superiority or fleet defense fighter is not the ideal tool for tracking antique aircraft. They're always having to break off to refuel, and we don't have any tankers anymore either. It's damn tricky flying those things "up on the step," dallying with the stall speed as little bits of contra-rotating prop fly off Bear.
Might have to put out a call for the Civil Air Patrol. Can we pay for their avgas?
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:08 PM (txvbW)
That it certainly is. You'll probably enjoy this story. At a party back in grad school my buddy (also a scientist) was chatting up a social science chick who was researching the family or some such. When he asked her what her conclusions were, she replied that women take care of children because they enjoy it and men don't want to do it. He replied, "Hell, I could've told you that and saved you a lot of trouble."
Needless to say, he didn't get her phone number.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (oKE6c)
What different does it make, at this point?
Hillary worded it differently but my point is the same.
Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 02:04 PM (L2xDv)
Pro tip: if he has a life-sized depiction of Kim Kardashian's ass tattooed on his bicep, don't arm-wrestle him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (7MWCL)
Posted by: Ezra's Equal at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (fQXOB)
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You're right. BUT the "stupids" still hate being called stupid. This is where Gruber fucked up.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (oJNGo)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (xSCb6)
combination of a compilicit media, pandering Dems and lies. And it still
required $500M in bribes, a party line vote at Midnight on Christmas
eve and smearing anyone who dared disagree as being a nazi/racist. And
this steaming pile has never achieve a plurality of support.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (Spluw)
So it has broad-based popular support!
Posted by: The MSM at November 13, 2014 02:14 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (sj3Ax)
Hooray Carol!
Plus you got ampersands! Your Platinum Membership must have been approved.
Try making a post that contains quotation marks - like "this"
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 02:14 PM (Rx8ML)
DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 3m
Obama Amnesty Plan Said to Shield 5 Million Illegals... http://drudge.tw/1xC3Yji
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:14 PM (ZPrif)
I'm getting one.
Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (kff5f)
Looked like you could get water and soda mixed in too!
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:14 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Burn the Witch
Yupper.
When things are darkest, I am here to trip over the light cord. I was liberated in the great port swap of '14.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (Spluw)
He did say "repeal". I heard it with my own ears. So, obviously, repeal is being at least considered and written up. He also said that he felt the Democrats would be on board with this by that point...well, we'll see.
Nancy P probably won't remember what the ACA is at that point.
Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (hjTr7)
Posted by: Dancing Queen at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (GvEen)
Rep Nancy Pelosi: "I don't know who Gruber is" & "he didn't write the bill" -but here she is in 2009 -go to 1:13: http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4514604/nancy-pelosi-mentions-jonathan-gruber-analysis
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Capt Obvious at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (VDovR)
Posted by: John Boehner at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (oJNGo)
Yep. In fact, it's easy to appeal to the stupids by telling them that agreeing with you proves that (despite everyone else's opinion, and their own suspicions) they're actually smart. I call it the "Fredo effect."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (txvbW)
Except that one about "natural born citizen" which is a function of the English & American common law (and plain construction of the English language), and not some Swiss philosopher's musings about "natural law".
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (lN8KC)
Not sure if this has been mentioned:
Under the headline Ace put up:
"Guy Who Keeps Finding Jon Gruber Videos: There's Worse Coming Today"
There is an ad on my screen that says:
"Secret discovered on page 859 of the bible."
gave me a chuckle
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (6/J77)
Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (kff5f)
Some people like to cut it?
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (GQ8sn)
Something fucked up about that. If he's not married, he is ghey as shit.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (0FSuD)
That can happen when the Botox reaches your brain.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (7MWCL)
Sigh. We should've used Kardashian's ass for Obama messaging.
Posted by: Jim Messina at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (WGcw3)
Posted by: Capt Obvious at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (VDovR)
Que?
Posted by: Juan's Lawnmowing Servicio at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (oKE6c)
1) Tort reform
2) Allow insurance companies to compete across state lines
3) Tort reform
I like tort reform.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (g1DWB)
doesn't lend itself to the cost-containment dynamics seen in every other
market for private goods."
Bingo.
As clearly demonstrated by the past few decades of successful cost containment -- and steady cost reduction -- in medical procedures which fall outside the scope of the government-regulated health insurance racket.
Refractive laser eye surgery, for example.
Cosmetic surgery, for another.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (oJNGo)"
Wait, you mean some of them are actually starting to realize that Gruber was talking about them?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (xSCb6)
Revealed: Fourth video shows Jon Gruber discussing Dem deception on ObamaCare costs http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=312175
David Burge @iowahawkblog 7m
Once is an accident.
Twice is a coincidence.
Three times is an enemy action.
Four times is a Gruber.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (ZPrif)
Uh huh. Competition and innovation. End of story. Health insurance finance has been made into a frankenstein by disconnecting prices from consumbers. Duh. By state govt. interference, by federal govt. interference. There is absolutely nothing about health care or its finance that doesn't lend itself to the cost-containment dynamics seen in every other market for private goods.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (afQnV)
This is a point I often make. It is government interference in the Health care industry that is primarily responsible for the costs being so out of control. Because people are so disconnected from paying the actual costs themselves, there is no personal incentive on the part of most people to control or contain costs.
The idea of Medical Insurance was heavily boosted by the government trying to institute wage controls way back when. Companies tried to come up with other ways to compensate them and so they started offering medical insurance.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: The Left at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (6/J77)
Page 859 of *which* bible? Cause that changes depending on translation, edition, printing, etc...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Jim Messina at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (WGcw3)
Houston, acknowledge your transmission.
Posted by: ISS astronauts at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (XUKZU)
Lack of self awareness, and logic.
Statement is that we had to FOOL people into supporting this Bill.
They supported this bill.
ie, they were fooled.
Conservatives did NOT support this bill...
ie, they were not fooled...
But... but ... Conservatives are Evil and Stupid! So that can't be right...
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (f0pWu)
Something fucked up about that. If he's not married, he is ghey as shit.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (0FSuD)
Ooh, so we have the possibility that he'll show up at a press conference with a parrot on his shoulder?
Awesome.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (oKE6c)
Really, if he were against gay marriage some attention would be paid to him. Or perhaps if he thought that global warming wasn't real.
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (Rx8ML)
Posted by: The Left at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (6/J77)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:19 PM (6/J77)
See also "Tuition costs, college."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:20 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:19 PM (6/J77)
What about parrots which are just pining for the fjords?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:20 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:20 PM (6/J77)
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The Let There Be Light Personal Home Cold Fusion Reactor?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (XUKZU)
Something fucked up about that. If he's not married, he is ghey as shit."
Nah, I think it's just evidence that he's psychologically damaged from knowing he's a fraud and hoarding pets is his coping mechanism
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:20 PM (6/J77)
Naa. Damage is done. If anything, he's doing the right thing by going to ground and not making it worse.
Well "right thing" from their perspective.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (kff5f)
http://tinyurl.com/kpbmyjo
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (XUKZU)
LOL! What a bunch of asses in the photos.
Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (hjTr7)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (g1DWB)
Me too, but not gonna happen. Check out opensecrets.org. The American Trial Lawyers Association is one of the biggest donors to the Dems. That kind of money buys a shitload of protection.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: 12 Parrots at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (6/J77)
I say Ghey. It's doesn't mean you are a bad person, unless you own 12 fucking parrots.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (0FSuD)
Pelosi is a liar?
Pelosi belongs in a straight jacket?
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi not only did not read the bill, but had no idea who wrote the bill?
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi is a liar.
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And will be re-elected unanimously.
Posted by: despair at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (dcY7v)
Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck
Some people like to cut it?
I'll bet they are the same people who like to cut their coke and heroin too.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (g2T/X)
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (oJNGo)
It's an example of cost containment in action. This is my field of study, you dumb voters you.....And at night, I watch them..........flock.
Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (Spluw)
Nancy P probably won't remember what the ACA is at that point.
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The botox doctor probably pushed the needle in too deep
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: Coal Miner at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (Mv/2X)
Sure. So the best a
The Trial Lawyers don't get nearly as much love from State Legislatures. See also: Texas.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (kff5f)
Keep leaking it on the Net, the LSM will have to cover the story just to run denials or cover, the more the better! Gruber + Obummer Amnesty = Roast Lame Duck
Posted by: exdem13 at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (/mTq0)
Yea, depressing. But to claim that nobody knows how to contain health care costs when answers are so blazingly obvious is maddening. And I didn't even go to MIT.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (g1DWB)
Not today, but yesterday here saw repeated the critical non-fact that there were around 30 million uninsured.
* Only financially, voluntarily "uninsured" even matter as a concern of public policy
* The numbers in that category are a small fraction of 30 million - possibly as low as 5 - 8 million, based on Census and other real data
* Any increase in "coverage" under the disastrous ACA is merely an expansion of Medicaid - nothing new, and nothing positive, for many reasons
* There was never the slightest justification for doing anything more than handing out vouchers to the 5 - 8 million involuntarily financially uninsured to buy existing plans - exactly the approach taken as part of the "safety net" for food (food stamps) and housing (Sec 8 vouchers).
* Even the pre-existing condition nonsense is baseless. First, "covering" pre-existing conditions is not insurance, it's welfare - which is fine, but needs to be accurately described in order to address properly. Second, there already has been large-scale experimentation with high-risk pools etc, most of which have been failures. In any case it's a statistically and financially tiny sub-set of the population, "solving" that issue should not materially affect the overall picture.
But these are just f***ing obvious, basic considerations. Can't expect them to enter the public debate, even from "opponents" of disastrous unconstitutional unsustainable socialized health care finance.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: 12 Parrots at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (6/J77)
Hell, subpoena the fucking parrots too. Who knows what phrases they picked up?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (oKE6c)
http://tinyurl.com/kpbmyjo
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (XUKZU)
Lookit all the assholes! Literally, lol.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (7MWCL)
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The Soviets had mental hospitals for such people.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (XUKZU)
know, it's because their version of Davis-Monthan is still all on the
flight line"
Ukraine have a completely intact Tu-95 that they have left over from the Soviet years, which the Russians forgot to take home. For sale to highest bidder! Special deal! Airworthiness, maintenance, spares, um, well, those are the bidder's problem.
"That said, a front-line air
superiority or fleet defense fighter is not the ideal tool for tracking
antique aircraft. They're always having to break off to refuel, and we
don't have any tankers anymore either."
There is a trend to build mini-AWACs aircraft out of bizjets. I have argued in the past for making armed patrol aircraft in the same way. There will be a ton of older smaller regional jets coming out of airline service soon, with plenty of life left in the frames. 200-series Canadairs and what have you.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (noWW6)
Except that one about "natural born citizen" which is a function of the English & American common law (and plain construction of the English language), and not some Swiss philosopher's musings about "natural law".
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (lN8KC)
You are mistaken. You may not believe this, but that book "Droit des gens" appears to have launched the American Revolution.
Look up "The rights of the British colonies asserted and proved" by James Otis.
That book triggered the US War of independence. From 1765 onward, that book stirred the entire nation. It put forth new ideas of which few others had previously contemplated.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (txvbW)
I would imagine he wrote a lot more lies in it. Simplifying the ACA for the serfs, yo!
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (ABcz/)
I ordered it a while back from Amazon (3rd party sellers only) - it's a pathetic pile of crap.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (PZ6/M)
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More assholes than ISIS after the call to prayer.
Posted by: Roy at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (VndSC)
"You're right. BUT the "stupids" still hate being called stupid. This is where Gruber fucked up.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (oJNGo)"
Wait, you mean some of them are actually starting to realize that Gruber was talking about them?
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Yes, precisely, and the stupid people don't like it.
Posted by: exdem13 at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (/mTq0)
Posted by: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (WGcw3)
Don't know exactly why but I always liked that part.
Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (7ObY1)
I say Ghey. It's doesn't mean you are a bad person, unless you own 12 fucking parrots.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (0FSuD)
More importantly he has no children... thus, like Keynes, another economist who had no children... his economic philosophy is not to build for the future, but to take what you can get today...
So putting future generations in debt? or bondage? No big deal... because HE has no descendants who will pay that price.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (f0pWu)
Posted by: The good language fairy (no, I don't own a parrot) at November 13, 2014 02:26 PM (Spluw)
Looks like its time for Barka "Lounger" Obama to create a new scandal with immigration.
if the MSN starts pushing this he will "Pivot"
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:26 PM (6/J77)
It happened to Hillary and Biden. Can you tell a difference?
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (Rx8ML)
Posted by: Filly at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (ZWmKk)
I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: The good language fairy
How the fuck would I know?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (g2T/X)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (6/J77)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: DrSteve at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (wwKgz)
You wOn't *believe* wHat Odd tRicK this HOUSEwife used to DisCover which BibLe is Teh Correct!
Posted by: Nerd Stark at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (3ZtZW)
It happened to Hillary and Biden. Can you tell a difference?
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (Rx8ML)
Slight cognitive improvement, but within experimental error.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: The good language fairy (no, I don't own a parrot) at November 13, 2014 02:26 PM (Spluw)
You can't use the word that rhymes with rap now?
Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (WGcw3)
Posted by: The good language fairy (no, I don't own a parrot) at November 13, 2014 02:26 PM (Spluw)
Fuck, fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (fwARV)
http://tinyurl.com/npfcown
And she was in high school at the time!
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (GQ8sn)
from knowing he's a fraud and hoarding pets is his coping mechanism"
"Parrots live for over 80 years. Long past their owners. They really shouldn't be pets"
Clearly, he wants a captive audience for the rest of his life who will only repeat what he tells them. That's fucking Norman Bates territory.
Posted by: Df82 at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (d6Wn7)
If it wasn't for the daily news of some fresh new hell....
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (zauWW)
12 is my limit
Posted by: Schnitzen Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (6/J77)
Talk about tone deaf.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: State drone at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (hlIt+)
Tort reform helps, and is worth doing, but it's not the major driver of costs.
Name any other major service consumed by the public where they don't know the cost of what they consume. Hell, the "providers" often don't even know the cost of what they provide.
THIS is the North Korean insanity created by disconnecting prices from consumers (both final and intermediate consumers).
Simply removing the barriers to real health insurance (which still existed not that long ago, and was not even a major cost issue for most) would "create" such bounty that "covering" the uninsured would be a trifle. End state-level cartel dynamics, end mandates, remove other regulator barriers to entry and competition, watch in amazement.
Some here may remember what air travel was like (cost, density of services, etc.) prior to deregulation, vs. after. The difference in health care finance would be just as dramatic.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Bigby's Grenade Pin Puller at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (3ZtZW)
rest of his life who will only repeat what he tells them.
Posted by: Df82 at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (d6Wn7)
He uses them to practice for encounters with the MSM.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (XUKZU)
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No. The Soviets had a post in front of a bullet-riddled wall for those people.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (oJNGo)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (6/J77)
Hey! A guy can never have enough hostages.
Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (7MWCL)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: thathalfrican at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (R5HRU)
Uh, no. I'm going with ice floe.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (Spluw)
Their frustration must know no bounds.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (oKE6c)
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Hence the need for the FCC to regulate the Internet like a public utility.
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True that. The FCC can at least impede the 1st Amendment on the Net the same way they do it with radio and TV.
Posted by: exdem13 at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (/mTq0)
doesn't lend itself to the cost-containment dynamics seen in every other
market for private goods."
And yet we have people who have declared that health care is a human right, expecting healthcare workers and hospitals to magically provide their goods and services for free.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (ABcz/)
http://cs.pn/1xSHZ68
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (QlprU)
Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (u+S6D)
Look up "The rights of the British colonies asserted and proved" by James Otis.
That book triggered the US War of independence. From 1765 onward, that book stirred the entire nation. It put forth new ideas of which few others had previously contemplated.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (txvbW)
They were defending their English rights. Those inalienable rights that they enjoyed under English common law.
Philosophical tract may have motivated them, but the common law is enshrined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (lN8KC)
JackStraw - it's way beyond irony (as so much has been now, for so long). As I noted above, "education" inflation has outpaced every other measurable sector in the US for decades. By a good margin.
State drone - glad to hear it. Now witness my sullend desperation trying to figure out if I can again have insurance after a year of going naked ....
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (afQnV)
THIS is the North Korean insanity created by disconnecting prices from consumers (both final and intermediate consumers).
Simply removing the barriers to real health insurance (which still existed not that long ago, and was not even a major cost issue for most) would "create" such bounty that "covering" the uninsured would be a trifle. End state-level cartel dynamics, end mandates, remove other regulator barriers to entry and competition, watch in amazement.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (afQnV)
Once again, exactly right.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (txvbW)
Just checked out Amazon's "see inside the book" and wow, it is crap! Especially loved how the people with good health care a white, and then there's poor Carlos. Must stir up class and race tensions.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (ABcz/)
Maybe if Mary Landrieu were an 80's pop culture reference, he might have heard of her.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:35 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: John McClain at November 13, 2014 02:35 PM (y67bA)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (ABcz/)
This is being constantly drummed into young people from grade school up. Health care is a right,marriage is a right, education is a right, well paying jobs are a right, living wages are a right, sex is a right, contraception is a right, abortion is a right, transportation is a right,....
Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (hjTr7)
Posted by: TexasJew at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (mndtc)
Since I would likely be a Dem if she was my grandma I'd be lobbying to get her in front of a death panel so I could get my inheritance early.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (Mxs5H)
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (GQ8sn)
from grade school up. Health care is a right,marriage is a right,
education is a right, well paying jobs are a right, living wages are a
right, sex is a right, contraception is a right, abortion is a right,
transportation is a right,....
Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (hjTr7)
Corresponding duties? Crickets.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (txvbW)
MMm, I thought it was Common Sense by Thomas Paine. And it's not like everyone in the colonies was literate.
Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (hjTr7)
Posted by: John McClain at November 13, 2014 02:35 PM (y67bA)
We are a big, happy family, or at least we were until you came along.
Posted by: Simon Peter Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: DrSteve at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (wwKgz)
Different size
Different physical plant
Same wretched defective product output
Still want to know: did NSA have something on Roberts or is he just a nincompoop.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (0atFl)
For years the conservative cabal prevented me from having my cooter Brazilian waxed to make it light and fluffy, but with ObamaCare, I now have unlimited access to VagFluff and Wash, the most comprehensive lady part care program ever devised. Thank you President Obama for loving my vag.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 13, 2014 02:40 PM (3/wAJ)
Exactly, this guy is dubiously claiming that surgeons were middle class in the 50s, but where in hell does he think professors were in the 50s? Retrograde class envy from an upper class beneficiary of government largess is just fucking weird.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:40 PM (xSCb6)
Philosophical tract may have motivated them, but the common law is enshrined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (lN8KC)
Corruption of blood? Eternal Allegiance to the Crown? Debtor's Prison? The Anglican Church? Cruel and Unusual punishment?
No, we tossed out a lot of English law concepts because they were completely incompatible with the principles for which this nation was founded.
Foremost among them was this theory that the King owned you from the moment of your birth simply because you were born on his land.
This policy makes perfect sense for a MONARCHY. It is Idiocy squared for a Republic.
I will point out that there were over 100,000 children born to British Loyalists after July 4, 1776. Both the US Government and the English Crown recognized them as British subjects despite the fact they were born on American soil.
I will also point out that James Madison's very own government refused to recognize the US Citizenship of a man born in Charleston South Carolina after 1776 because his father had not yet been naturalized. (The Man's name was James McClure.)
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (txvbW)
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (0atFl)
Yes.
Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Buffalobob at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (w+5ie)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 13, 2014 02:44 PM (Bn9/M)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (Bn9/M)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (dMEBN)
The main takeaway from the midterms is this:
The conservatarian "alternative" newsstream managed to defeat the MSM.
This is a major social earthquake.
We have not been able to unseat the Gramscian cryptocommunists who
have taken over almost the entirely of the mainstream media, and so they
retain an iron grip on it, with the attendant water-carrying for Obama,
embargoing of stories that hurt the liberal cause, and constant
relentless "framing the narrative" from a Marxist vantage point.
However, we've created or acquiring or amplified so many alternate
streams that a significant proportion of the electorate "got the
message" anyway (i.e. perceived current events through a conservatarian
filter).
Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no longer hold the information monopoly.
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Actually the first big win was pantsing "Gunga Dan" Rather on trying to make up stuff on Dubya back in '04. That was heap big scalp for the Conservative Alternative Media (CAM), and the LSM has yet to acknowledge it in public.
Now, I will say that most of the Democrat failure this year was due to Obummer, and some lame 'Rat election strategery. However it was the LSM to point it out, but they had already thrown away their objectivity to be shills guards for Obummer. So CAM stepped in to do the job for them, and remind everyone every day what a mess Obummer and his Congressional lackeys had made, and how they could not be trusted to do the job right. CAM got a break this time since Obummer seems to have stopped caring if his party can win another election with or without his help, but repetition on a theme can help a lot. And compared to the LSM standard propaganda, now wearing thin due to 6 years of bad results, the CAM allegations getting picked up drew attention, and comparison to how things were in The World, as opposed to inside the Beltway.
Posted by: exdem13 at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (/mTq0)
Habeas corpus? 7th Amendment? It was from the Common Law that these derive. There was reformation and codification of many of the common law rights and precepts, but they nonetheless were not created ex nihilo
http://tinyurl.com/m7o7nep
MMm, I thought it was Common Sense by Thomas Paine. And it's not like everyone in the colonies was literate.
Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (hjTr7)
Paine was a proto-socialist who supported the idea of a Welfare state as well as the Reign of Terror. Yuval Levin talks about this in "The Great Debate"
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (lN8KC)
MMm, I thought it was Common Sense by Thomas Paine. And it's not like everyone in the colonies was literate.
Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (hjTr7)
According to Samuel Adams, it was James Otis that first lit the fires of revolution by his oratory in the trial on the "writs of assistance."
I'm looking for the quote.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (txvbW)
MMm, I thought it was Common Sense by Thomas Paine. And it's not like everyone in the colonies was literate.
Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (hjTr7)
Only the people that mattered.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:51 PM (txvbW)
D-Lamp 2016.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (oKE6c)
Ditto!!
Posted by: Dandolo at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (0XBx+)
Posted by: Raspail at November 13, 2014 02:53 PM (Xv7f/)
Do they explain how it is that the fourth video is the first one they have covered? To their core airport gate viewership they don't have to, I guess.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (Bn9/M)
Habeas corpus? 7th Amendment? It was from the Common Law that these derive. There was reformation and codification of many of the common law rights and precepts, but they nonetheless were not created ex nihilo
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Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (lN8KC)
It is unquestionable that much of our legal dogma comes from English law, but we explicitly excluded those components of English law that were incompatible with our newly founded principles.
Among these, first and foremost is the idea that you owe perpetual allegiance to the King if you are born on his land.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (txvbW)
We need some fucking carnage going on in the left wing monied circles.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:39
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Dream on. The deterrent effect of Mutual Assured Destruction will make sure it never happens.
It was not just luck that Holder never prosecuted Cheney, Bush, Yoo et.al., for "war crimes" despite the braying of their base.
The Attorney General who prosecutes the opposing party would just be putting his own head in the noose come the next election.
Posted by: Raspail at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: MacGruber wrote Obamacare at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (nlQae)
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It's the adoptions, I'm tellin' ya.
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