Obamacare Website Won't Reveal New, Higher Premiums -- Until After the Election, Of Course

Via Drudge, The Most Transparent Administration in History strikes again.

Valerie Richardson writes at The Washington Times:

Those planning to purchase health insurance on the Obamacare exchange will soon find out how much rates have increased -- after the Nov. 4 election.
Enrollment on the Healthcare.gov website begins Nov. 15, or 11 days after the midterm vote, and critics who worry about rising premium hikes in 2015 say that’s no coincidence. Last year’s inaugural enrollment period on the health-care exchange began Oct. 1.
Robert Laszewski, president of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, said in a Monday column in USA Today that "when it comes to a lack of openness and transparency about Obamacare, this administration has no peer."

Information is leaking out, though, and we know we're due for some hefty increases. In three states with highly-contested Senate races (I'll send you to the link to find them out) they're expecting double-digit rate increases.

And of course Obama hides this from you; because, of course.

Posted by: Ace at 12:42 PM

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1 First?

Posted by: KWdreaming at October 14, 2014 12:38 PM (8QW0x)

2 Count on it being double what you paid last year.

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:38 PM (GQ8sn)

3 Wow! Hi ya'll!

Posted by: KWdreaming at October 14, 2014 12:38 PM (8QW0x)

4 If there was a way to leak the price increases a week or two before the election....

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:39 PM (GQ8sn)

5 But with my Obamacare, i don't have to worry about ebola or entrovirus-68 because i will get quality medical care. /sarc

Posted by: Penfold at October 14, 2014 12:39 PM (Fbt5B)

6 Of course.

Posted by: HR at October 14, 2014 12:40 PM (/kI1Q)

7 Yesterday, a commenter (can't remember who) just got word that his family rate would double to 4-figures per month.

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:40 PM (GQ8sn)

8 Wait, I though it was going down 3000%!??!!!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 14, 2014 12:41 PM (0HooB)

9 They're not even trying at this point.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 14, 2014 12:41 PM (da5Wo)

10 7 Yesterday, a commenter (can't remember who) just got word that his family rate would double to 4-figures per month.

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:40 PM (GQ8sn)

Hell, I can't remember when it HASN'T been that much per month.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 14, 2014 12:41 PM (da5Wo)

11 Because, Racist!

Posted by: USA at October 14, 2014 12:42 PM (m8hf7)

12 What is this "healthcare" everyone keeps talking about?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 14, 2014 12:43 PM (0HooB)

13 Hell, I can't remember when it HASN'T been that much per month.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 14, 2014 12:41 PM (da5Wo)
Ugh....I'm sorry dude.

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:43 PM (GQ8sn)

14 Just pass on the insurance. If you feel ill tell them you are recent feverish traveler from Liberia and watch healthcare fund you.

Posted by: Pestilence Next In Line at October 14, 2014 12:43 PM (oDCMR)

15 Check the sites daily. Chances are they won't be working correctly so maybe the rates will display before intended.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 14, 2014 12:44 PM (SaMXZ)

16 Isn't 2015 in like 11 weeks? Also, holy crap, 2015 is in 11 weeks wtf Universe?

The election is in three weeks.

That leaves 8 weeks for people to find out what their new premiums are, assuming that the information is released on November 5.

Sure. That'll work.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 14, 2014 12:44 PM (mf5HN)

17

And, the fat slob on The Five will continue to tout it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 14, 2014 12:44 PM (IXrOn)

18

What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1/1!!?!?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 14, 2014 12:44 PM (HSmrB)

19 Hide the hockey stick?

Posted by: USA at October 14, 2014 12:44 PM (m8hf7)

20 They never release any of the crap he pulls until after the elections. The people know that now which is why the Democrats are tanking so bad now. Most people have had a belly full of his crap which is why they are running away from him like scalded cats.

Posted by: Vic at October 14, 2014 12:44 PM (T2V/1)

21
A family of four can expect to pay $2,500/year less and get improved coverage.

And if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

He has said it, thus it will follow.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 14, 2014 12:45 PM (JtwS4)

22 If only there were some group of people who could tell the American people what's going on, especially in regard to their own government...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 14, 2014 12:45 PM (0HooB)

23 We can make it work.

Posted by: Susan Collins at October 14, 2014 12:45 PM (HstNY)

24 5 Reasons higher premiums will actually save you money.

Posted by: Matt Yglesias at October 14, 2014 12:45 PM (dUGHS)

25 Here is how the Democrats operate--

they divide the regions of America, and or groups then it's death by "incrementalization".

So you sit back and you say well that rule doesn't apply to me....until it does.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 14, 2014 12:45 PM (RJMhd)

26 And my rates have already gone up by 150% since that crap passed.

Posted by: Vic at October 14, 2014 12:45 PM (T2V/1)

27 Ugh....I'm sorry dude.

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:43 PM (GQ8sn)

Appreciate it. But yeah, we're currently rocking $1750/month for a family of 4. Yippee ki-yay motherfucker.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (da5Wo)

28 My employer sent out its open-enrolment (fucking Brit speling) flyer last week. HSA plan--deductible went up, company HSA contribution cut in half. I can get a few extra dollars--not as many as last year--in my HSA if I sign a document promising to not use tobacco. There's also a $500 "surcharge" if your spouse (or domestic partner) has a job that offers health insurance but is on your plan (I would have tacked on a surcharge for adult children but I'm a H8r).

But no mandatory weigh-ins. Yet.

Posted by: HR at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (/kI1Q)

29
Isn't 2015 in like 11 weeks? Also, holy crap, 2015 is in 11 weeks wtf Universe?

The election is in three weeks.

*squints*

That looks suspiciously like math.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (JtwS4)

30 White House not revealing increases until after the election?

So what!

GOP should air ads in contested election states stating rates will go up so high that Dems are afraid to tell you now.

Posted by: So What at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (ikaPq)

31 Obama is like bodily fluids on an airplane headed to Dallas.

Posted by: Pestilence Next In Line at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (oDCMR)

32 Has the TEA party been blamed for this?

Posted by: fluffy at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (Ua6T/)

33 Fine, then we are free to speculate on the increases.

Time to do it. And time to be irresponsible about it.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 14, 2014 12:47 PM (L2xDv)

34 see, this is why we have impeachment as an option. if you are going to lie and hide information to get elected, when we find out you lied and hid information after the election we can impeach you.

Posted by: n at October 14, 2014 12:47 PM (iBXmZ)

35 But no mandatory weigh-ins. Yet.

Posted by: HR at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (/kI1Q)

Wait til the third week in November 2015!

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:47 PM (GQ8sn)

36 5 Reasons higher premiums will actually save you money.

Daddy's company is paying for it all, so who cares?

Posted by: Obamabots on Twitter at October 14, 2014 12:47 PM (/kI1Q)

37 Again, everything the Obama Administration does is political.

Nothing this Administration does is not for political reasons.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at October 14, 2014 12:47 PM (HBAcW)

38 I just hope the CDC hasn't "discovered" they can bankrupt a hospital by shirking their duties and refusing to pay with their $6.6 billion budget...

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 14, 2014 12:48 PM (RJMhd)

39 GOP should air ads in contested election states stating rates will go up so high that Dems are afraid to tell you now.
Posted by: So What at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (ikaPq)
---
No. it is much better to run ads touting how you will dramatically reduce the size of government! And reform the tax system!

Posted by: RioBravo at October 14, 2014 12:48 PM (SaMXZ)

40 why say political? a lie is a lie.

Posted by: n at October 14, 2014 12:49 PM (iBXmZ)

41 srsly you guys, health care was gonna be like free until the republicans got involved.

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 12:50 PM (nqBYe)

42 Obamacare was designed to fail so that there is a "national outcry" for single-payer government-run healthcare.

They've said it openly. That's still the plan.

It's no longer the top of the agenda, but it should be:

Repeal, repeal, repeal.

Posted by: zombie at October 14, 2014 12:50 PM (K4YiS)

43 They can hide the rates on the craptastic $1 billion website but anyone getting insurance through their employer is getting the bad news right now.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 14, 2014 12:50 PM (g1DWB)

44 n, i have read politicians lie and it is an acceptable practice to win elections.

may the best liar win.

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 12:51 PM (nqBYe)

45 Uh, n, the reason they lie is for political advantage.

They don't lie for, say, national security reasons, or for some greater good.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at October 14, 2014 12:52 PM (HBAcW)

46 *squints*

That looks suspiciously like math.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (JtwS4)

You shut your whore mouth.

Also I see you survived Outside.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 14, 2014 12:52 PM (mf5HN)

47 This makes sense.

If people knew about the $2500 savings, it wouldn't be fair for the Republicans.

Posted by: garrett at October 14, 2014 12:53 PM (FqHUJ)

48 what we found out a year ago was only spouse was covered by job.

we had to pay extra for son and i. they wanted basically half our mthly income to cover us.

so thanks for no insurance.

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 12:53 PM (nqBYe)

49
This post is derivative.

It sounds like something Ace thought in 2011.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 14, 2014 12:53 PM (JtwS4)

50 14 Just pass on the insurance. If you feel ill tell them you are recent feverish traveler from Liberia and watch healthcare fund you.

--

It's easy to check that you didn't travle to Libera.
Tell them you had a ghey hookup with midget tranny from Liberia.

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2014 12:53 PM (cbfNE)

51 #43 I just realized the reason for zeros continued carpet bombing of the economy... The less employed there are, the fewer people will see the rate increases before the election! Ok I'm kidding... Maybe

Posted by: GMan at October 14, 2014 12:53 PM (Km+D1)

52 My employer-based healthcare is going up again too. "Modestly.". This after a 120% increase last year. They priced my husband out of the system, pretty soon I will be priced out too, I guess.

Thanks Obama. Because of Obamacare, those things we used to go to the doctor for have now been pushed aside, simply because we can't afford them.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at October 14, 2014 12:54 PM (AKSLQ)

53 What we should do for 2016 is nominate someone who has proposed their own crappy state-run health care system so we can't run on the issue.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 14, 2014 12:54 PM (DESkV)

54 47 This makes sense.

If people knew about the $2500 savings, it wouldn't be fair for the Republicans.
Posted by: garrett at October 14, 2014 12:53 PM (FqHUJ)

******

LOL!

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 14, 2014 12:54 PM (RJMhd)

55 Posted by: n at October 14, 2014 12:47 PM (iBXmZ)

This is not going to happen with the crying surrender orange in charge or the House.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at October 14, 2014 12:54 PM (HBAcW)

56 It's easy to check that you didn't travle to Libera.

Tell them you had a ghey hookup with midget tranny from Liberia.

This why I keep coming back here.

Posted by: HR at October 14, 2014 12:54 PM (/kI1Q)

57 Eat yo peas, bitchez.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at October 14, 2014 12:54 PM (FqHUJ)

58 i'm going to change my legal status and get it for Free.

ok, not really, but whatever stupid left.

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 12:55 PM (nqBYe)

59 I hope the GOP is planning on broadcast ads about this.

I don't watch TV or listen to radio so I really have no clue.

This administration is just....

It's all about Obama, everyone else be damned.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 14, 2014 12:55 PM (r+7wo)

60 what we found out a year ago was only spouse was covered by job.

we had to pay extra for son and i. they wanted basically half our mthly income to cover us.

so thanks for no insurance.

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 12:53 PM (nqBYe)

But subsidies!!!!

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:55 PM (GQ8sn)

61 Fredo to announce choice for AG soon?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2014 12:56 PM (M0mf2)

62 Dear Leader is one of the most successful presidents in history, racists.

Posted by: Former Enron Advisor Paul Krugman at October 14, 2014 12:56 PM (vgIRn)

63 EC, i was hopin those 1%ers would pay for my Free stuff!

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 12:56 PM (nqBYe)

64 The big hikes will only come if the IRS is forced to rescind subsidies for people who bought policies on the Federal exchange. I know a relative who's paying $150/month for a $750/month policy and is supposed to get a $600/month subsidy. If that gets canceled, she might reconsider her Obama worship. But if "big hikes" mean an extra $15/month, big deal. (I realize $15 matters to some people, but in this case, it doesn't.)

Posted by: despair at October 14, 2014 12:56 PM (j3FnZ)

65 I would really love to see the American people put two and two together and vote differently than what I expect this fall and in 2016.

High hopes...

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:56 PM (GQ8sn)

66 This why I keep coming back here.

Posted by: HR at October 14, 2014 12:54 PM (/kI1Q)

Really???

I figured it was for the bleeding edge blog tech. That's why I'm here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (da5Wo)

67 The subsidies are not free. They are coming out of our pockets.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (M0mf2)

68 I would really love to see the American people put two and two together and vote differently than what I expect this fall and in 2016.

You guys are so cute.

Posted by: Boxes of Premarked Ballots in Dem Poll Workers' Cars at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (/kI1Q)

69 Higher premiums, higher dedctibles, higher everything. You reduce the cost of healthcare by making it too expensive for the largest number of people to use it while making them pay for obama's base.

Posted by: The Progs at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (iQIUe)

70 This makes sense.

If people knew about the $2500 savings, it wouldn't be fair for the Republicans.
Posted by: garrett at October 14, 2014 12:53 PM (FqHUJ)

Thread winner!

*shoves lemon bar through USB port for garrett*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (mf5HN)

71 @HR. You only have to declare tobacco-free? Where I work, they want to draw blood to prove it now.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (KvKOu)

72 so, in order to get even for having no insurance should we change our withholding to total amt so govt Free stuff won't get Their fair share/

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (nqBYe)

73 The subsidies are not free. They are coming out of our pockets.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (M0mf2)

Yeah, I know. I was being /sarc.

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (GQ8sn)

74 (I'll send you to the link to find them out

Did ace crib this from a CoBlog email

.

Seriously though, FIL just got laid off (and now I have to teach him how adults handle budgets). It's fucking hard out there, and insurance premium hikes won't help that.

(Ours haven't gone up much recently but they're already sky fucking high, so there's not much room to move honestly. I survey my friends and we pay 4-5 times more than they do. The FEHB is only a value if you live in DC, mostly because the costs get shifted to the hinterlands.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 months! at October 14, 2014 12:58 PM (HDwDg)

75 Come on Kansas--

Remington Research Group

Roberts 48%

Orman 46%

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 14, 2014 12:59 PM (RJMhd)

76 Just one question. Does obarky care cover Captain E or is that coverage sold separately?

Posted by: GMB at October 14, 2014 12:59 PM (Wzki9)

77 *noms*

Thank you, my Queen.

Posted by: garrett at October 14, 2014 12:59 PM (FqHUJ)

78 He's still totes dreamy. I wish He had more power, like the ability to fly or maybe some sort of orgasm ray that shot out of His eyes, or penis.

Posted by: Gwyneth Paltrow at October 14, 2014 12:59 PM (DESkV)

79 Yeah but wage gap and birth control. And war on women anybody?

Posted by: Lena Dunham at October 14, 2014 01:00 PM (OD2ni)

80 He's still totes dreamy. I wish He had more power,
like the ability to fly or maybe some sort of orgasm ray that shot out
of His eyes, or penis.

Posted by: Gwyneth Paltrow at October 14, 2014 12:59 PM (DESkV)

Bitch is crazy.

Posted by: Chris Martin at October 14, 2014 01:00 PM (GQ8sn)

81 Ace. Just an FYI. Pixy doesn't like French with the appropriate frog tics. Sautéed, flambe, etc.
Gives us the dreaded black diamond disease.
Just sayin'.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:00 PM (5sd/F)

82 And water is wet, night is dark, bears crap in the woods,.....

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2014 01:00 PM (D/504)

83 despair

No. The big hikes mean that the difference in price between the plan you were on before Obamacare and what you can get after is event greater. Going from a "non-compliant" family plan to an Obamacare bronze plan quadruples my premium. I cringe at the thought of it going up even more.

Posted by: Xander Crews at October 14, 2014 01:00 PM (sHIk6)

84 @HR. You only have to declare tobacco-free? Where I work, they want to draw blood to prove it now.

It's the first year. The blood draws will probably come next year, with the weigh-ins.

Posted by: HR at October 14, 2014 01:01 PM (/kI1Q)

85 scumbag administration

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2014 01:01 PM (XxPgI)

86 the god old days where one could pick their plan and their doctor.

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 01:01 PM (nqBYe)

87 GOP should air ads in contested election states stating rates will go up so high that Dems are afraid to tell you now.
Posted by: So What

Yup, and the Stupid Party needs to rip a page from the Harry Reid Playbook and just make up numbers and run with them and scare the hell out of voters. Oh wait, that same guy who told Reid that Romney didn't pay any income taxes for 10 years just called and left me a message. He said everyone's health insurance premiums are going up 343%.

Posted by: Furious George at October 14, 2014 01:01 PM (UlJ3l)

88 Gives us the dreaded black diamond disease.

Stop trying to scare Ace. You can't catch the Black Diamonds from hugging Frenchmen.

Posted by: Dr. Thomas Frieden at October 14, 2014 01:01 PM (FqHUJ)

89 You only have to declare tobacco-free?
Where I work, they want to draw blood to prove it now.

Tobacco or nicotene free? Because that'll fuck over those that vape or chew the gum.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:02 PM (5sd/F)

90 So what!

GOP should air ads in contested election states stating rates will go up so high that Dems are afraid to tell you now.

Posted by: So What at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM
=============
Yeah. That would work. But hurry, early voting has started in some states.

Posted by: mrp at October 14, 2014 01:02 PM (JBggj)

91 As a concerned Christian conservative, I am concerned that the GOP's relentless attacks on Obama as he tries to do good things for the country like trying to keep the sick from dying in the streets as they've done throughout American history (and unlike in more progressive European countries) is finally driving a wedge between myself and the GOP. That's why I'm urging all my fellow committed, concerned, conservative, Christian voters to say no the the GOP.

signed,
um...Moonbeam Schultzowitz

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 14, 2014 01:02 PM (udzve)

92 >Yeah but wage gap and birth control. And war on women anybody?

Hush, darlin', we've got that covered, How about you do some more of that dancing in your underwear for voting rights...? No, over there, by the mosque....

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2014 01:02 PM (D/504)

93 Hide the ascension, burn the witch, flog the bishop and smack a bitch!!

Posted by: Ray Rice Crispy Treats at October 14, 2014 01:02 PM (NpXoL)

94 I've been noticing Warner in VA has been advertising on NFL Football. Yep, his campaign is pretty much Gillespie is evil and was hired by Enron. No mention of what the twit has done for the past 6 years. I guess telling people you hold Harry Reid's towel in the Senate shower might not sell.

Posted by: Pestilence Next In Line at October 14, 2014 01:03 PM (oDCMR)

95 He's still totes dreamy. I wish He had more power, like the ability to fly or maybe some sort of orgasm ray that shot out of His eyes, or penis.

Posted by: Gwyneth Paltrow at October 14, 2014 12:59 PM (DESkV)

Reggie: I don't know if it's a power but he's got this thing that he does with his...well...giggle

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2014 01:03 PM (1Jaio)

96 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at October 14, 2014 01:03 PM (xKIE3)

97 repeal, re-do

put jindal on it?

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2014 01:03 PM (XxPgI)

98 Damn, I never saw this coming!!!!

Hardest hit? Hopefully all the stupid fuckers who voted for this shit. And John Fucking Chief Justice and Lackey Roberts

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:04 PM (2Aj5D)

99 That cost curve has gone mobius.

Posted by: --- at October 14, 2014 01:04 PM (MMC8r)

100 Have you heard the one about when the Preznit says 'if you like your plan, you can keep your plan'?

Posted by: Shecky Soetoro at October 14, 2014 01:04 PM (xKIE3)

101 Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 14, 2014 01:02 PM (udzve

LOL; Do you think you can fit in "concerned" one more time?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 14, 2014 01:04 PM (n4T5x)

102 Repeal, repeal, repeal.

There are so many negative effects of 404Care that are easily provable, yet the GOPe stays as quiet as a churchmouse about it.

Do. Not. Get.

"We've tried it the Progressive's way and what did we get from it? A notable decline in our standard of living and our freedom (accompanied by charts, big ones with pretty colors, all pointing downward)..."

...said no Pubbie in recent history.

A simple recognition of facts would suffice, but the GOPe can't even do that.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 14, 2014 01:04 PM (0HooB)

103 Choose the form of the Destroyer!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2014 01:04 PM (DrWcr)

104 I wish Obama had the power to dispense birth control with his mind before the Rethuglicans ban it and burn the Science on it, like I've heard their about to do.

Posted by: Gwyneth Paltrow at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (DESkV)

105 Lessee... the Administration isn't revealing Obamacare premiums until after the midterms... because the truth will cost the Democrats votes.

They're not going to address amnesty for all the disease-ridden thugs from south of the border until after the midterms... because the truth will cost the Democrats votes.

They're not even trying... but 52% of the voting population is so stupid, so evil, or so addicted to free handouts from the nannystate that they don't have to try. Why pretend, when you own the souls of so many voters?

Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (iIzG7)

106 But hurry, early voting has started in some states.

Vote early.

Vote often.

Vote Democrat.

Posted by: Civil War Vets of America at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (FqHUJ)

107 @rckb223. They state tobacco-free, but I don't know how the test differentiates from nicotine.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (CrJzY)

108 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 14, 2014 12:46 PM (da5Wo

Small businesses are getting hosed. I dunno if you're hitting that number counting any money moved via your company (for tax purposes or not).

But it likely doesn't matter, as I noted, small businesses are being hosed.
In some respects they always have been, but it's worse now.

Those of us who spend a lot of time in large group plans may not see a ton of 4 figure premiums for a variety of reasons. The fact that even those seem to be rapidly approaching 4 figures is quite scary.

Keep in mind, I used to work for a self-insuring academic medical center. BC (Before Choomboy) insurance was dirt cheap. They covered most of it, and we paid what was effectively a rounding error on my check every 2 weeks (seriously.) But even looking at total cost it was something like 170/pay period for a single plan (my cost+theirs) and it was nice insurance, no deductible, tiny ass copays, huge network. But again: huge group, self insuring medical center.

Talking with people still working there, it sounds like employee contributions have gone up approaching an order of magnitude, deductibles have skyrocketed, the network has shrunk to almost nothing AND they're pushing people to the high deductible plans over the old "HMO-ish" (it was technically an HMO, but the network was so large and you could self refer it didn't really act like one.)

As I said, it's hard out there.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 months! at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (HDwDg)

109 Think this was a point of Hayek: The more the state plans, the less you as an individual can plan.

I feel sorry for those saddled with Bamacare.

Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (FA3Z7)

110 >>That cost curve has gone mobius.

Even I'm confused!!

Posted by: M.C. Escher at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (D/504)

111 If the GOP were even somewhat comptenet they'd win 12 Senate seats this year.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (0LHZx)

112 woops sorry 1/3 of our income.

Posted by: willow at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (nqBYe)

113 Choose the form of the Destroyer!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2014 01:04 PM (DrWcr)
*thinks of Victoria's Secret model*

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (GQ8sn)

114 I refuse to take part in my insurer's health screenings. I assume someday we'll all be forced to participate with monthly weigh-ins like we're cattle, but sorry that $250 ain't worth it.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (AKSLQ)

115 88 Gives us the dreaded black diamond disease.

Stop trying to scare Ace. You can't catch the Black Diamonds from hugging Frenchmen.
Posted by: Dr. Thomas Frieden at Octo

What about swapping spit? Just asking for a friend.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (2Aj5D)

116 These rates were set months ago (I believe in late May). The Republicans in Congress should have long since hauled the CEO's of every single company long before now to testify as to rates.

Posted by: MTF at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (LISuA)

117 I've been noticing Warner in VA has been advertising
on NFL Football. Yep, his campaign is pretty much Gillespie is evil and
was hired by Enron. No mention of what the twit has done for the past 6
years. I guess telling people you hold Harry Reid's towel in the Senate
shower might not sell.
========

I'm thinking that in the last 10-7 days of this election cycle, we will see such a change in the polling numbers that eyes across the nation will pop.

Posted by: mrp at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (JBggj)

118 Now, now.

Picking on President Obama isn't very nice.

Posted by: Mitt !! at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (Qgr71)

119 81 Ace. Just an FYI. Pixy doesn't like French with the appropriate frog tics. Sauted, flambe, etc.
Gives us the dreaded black diamond disease.
Just sayin'.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:00 PM (5sd/F)

Flambe'...test.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (QdqbP)

120 drunk Marine + tranny filipino hooker = bad news.

Philippines News @philippines_tip 4m
Philippines Seeking Surrender of U.S. Marine Suspected in Death - Bloomberg http://dlvr.it/7CDD8b

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 14, 2014 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

121 LOL; Do you think you can fit in "concerned" one more time?
***
That sort of extremist attitude will only drive moderates from the GOP. After all, in today's extreme GOP monotone ideologically driven racism to stop Obama from doing good at every turn (including defunding the CDC's ebola program), not even Ronald Reagan could get the nomination!

signed, xxoo
Moonbeam Hussein Schultzowitz

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 14, 2014 01:07 PM (udzve)

122 111 If the GOP were even somewhat comptenet they'd win 12 Senate seats this year.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

And if the dog wouldn't have stop to take a leak he would have caught the rabbit. Would ofs, could ofs and should ofs is not a great election strategy

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:07 PM (2Aj5D)

123 @rckb223. They state tobacco-free, but I don't know how the test differentiates from nicotine.

Was just curious. Cud chewing nicotene gummers hardest hit.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:08 PM (5sd/F)

124 You know, all Obamacare really needs is a few million Mexicans.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Jeb !! at October 14, 2014 01:08 PM (Qgr71)

125 What's on your menu? I just got off the phone with my health care provider asking them to explain why my premium jumped up. No good answer.

Posted by: Donna Brazile at October 14, 2014 01:08 PM (l1zOH)

126 I was more interested in the story that Bridgette Bardot had 100 lovers, some of them women.

Most disappointing part? Not one of them was me.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 14, 2014 01:08 PM (GGCsk)

127 Has anyone ever been more wrong on any single subject than John McVain when he made that ridiculous comment about there being "nothing to fear from Barack Obama in the White House"?

That's practically Joe Biden level stupidity.

Posted by: MTF at October 14, 2014 01:09 PM (LISuA)

128 Year Six of the Five Year Plan.

Posted by: --- at October 14, 2014 01:09 PM (MMC8r)

129 gop has no answer to the mexican issue

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2014 01:09 PM (XxPgI)

130 My premiums are going up only $5 this year. Last year was the big bump. 120%. And I just tell them flat out that I'm overweight and I smoke and I don't give a shit. Fuck this close monitering bullshit. That's fasicsm. I will not be a part of it.

Posted by: Soona at October 14, 2014 01:09 PM (2pigX)

131 Doug Butzier, Libertarian candidate in Iowa, dead in plane crash.

http://tinyurl.com/nqo8wer

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 14, 2014 01:10 PM (DESkV)

132 signed, xxoo
Moonbeam Hussein Schultzowitz
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 14, 2014 01:07 PM (udzve)

Pssst you need to hyphenate the last name for extra cromulence.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 14, 2014 01:10 PM (mf5HN)

133 Sauted, flambe, etc.
Gives us the dreaded black diamond disease.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: rickb223

Flambe'...test.

I did the sautéed with two e's and the tic on the first e.
Black diamond.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:10 PM (5sd/F)

134 122 111 If the GOP were even somewhat comptenet they'd win 12 Senate seats this year.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

and if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:10 PM (QdqbP)

135 Repeal!!

Replace !!

(the Immigration and Nationalization Act)

Posted by: Jeb !! at October 14, 2014 01:10 PM (Qgr71)

136 >>They're not even trying... but 52% of the voting population is so stupid, so evil, or so addicted to free handouts from the nannystate that they don't have to try.

You think that 52% is real?

That "voting population" includes the dead, the registered in multiple states (e.g. college students), the make believe who same-day register to vote, the undocumented "Americans", and those who would assist with vote counting (a/k/a people who find "lost" ballots in warehouses, trunks of their cars, etc.)

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2014 01:11 PM (D/504)

137 131 Doug Butzier, Libertarian candidate in Iowa, dead in plane crash.

http://tinyurl.com/nqo8wer
Posted by: Dr Spank

So, he pulled a Wellstone?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:11 PM (2Aj5D)

138 So what if this information comes out before the election, it's not like the Republicans are going to do anything with it.

In fact I can see a scenario where democrats successfully use it to blame republicans.

See the financial meltdown in 2008 and team stupid taking the full blame for something caused by the democrats because, team stupid.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 14, 2014 01:11 PM (d3372)

139 Don't think that hiding the ObamaScare premium jumps until after the election so much as a present to Congressional Democrats; think of it more as a parting gift for Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Igor Brand Pitchforks and Torches at the Outrage Outlet! at October 14, 2014 01:11 PM (hLRSq)

140 Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:10 PM (5sd/F)

Yeah my autocorrect adds accents in a lot and I'm often too lazy to chance them.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 months! at October 14, 2014 01:11 PM (HDwDg)

141 And I just tell them flat out that I'm overweight and I smoke and I don't give a shit.

LOL; I love you-in a totally non sexual way of course. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 14, 2014 01:11 PM (n4T5x)

142 gop has no answer to the mexican issue.

***

well, if they want to be America's other Vichy Party, then fine.

But if they want to, yes embrace the evil, and become America's fence and deport party, then they will find the answer was there this entire time.

wedge issues, how do they work?

you find an issue, like immigration, where everyone agrees with you. You exploit that issue by pushing it. ta da.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 14, 2014 01:11 PM (udzve)

143 gop has no answer to the mexican issue
--
Well, we have at least 10-15 years before Texas is Democrat. Woo-hoo!!

In 15 years, GOP is gonna have to win like 80% of the white vote to be competitive nationally.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 14, 2014 01:12 PM (ZPrif)

144 Black DIAMONS are for EXPERTS only!!

Posted by: elevenwing plover at October 14, 2014 01:12 PM (GXZgZ)

145 * ponders, "alex the-chick" *

Posted by: Donna Brazile at October 14, 2014 01:12 PM (l1zOH)

146 F*ck Obama. F*ck the IRS. F*ck the government.

Posted by: X at October 14, 2014 01:12 PM (KHo8t)

147 and if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.
Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:10 PM (QdqbP)

So you know my aunt and uncle?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2014 01:13 PM (M0mf2)

148 I did the sauted with two e's and the tic on the first e.
Black diamond.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:10 PM (5sd/F)

sounds ominous, not going the'ere.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:13 PM (QdqbP)

149 42 Obamacare was designed to fail so that there is a "national outcry" for single-payer government-run healthcare.

They've said it openly. That's still the plan.

It's no longer the top of the agenda, but it should be:

Repeal, repeal, repeal.

Posted by: zombie at October 14, 2014 12:50 PM (K4YiS)

It's no longer even on the agenda at all. The GOPe has no intention of repealing it.

Posted by: rickl at October 14, 2014 01:13 PM (zoehZ)

150 Being uninformed, misinformed, and outright dis-informed is, in many ways, the story of being a Democrat voter.

Posted by: That Guy Again at October 14, 2014 01:14 PM (fBxC6)

151 131 Doug Butzier, Libertarian candidate in Iowa, dead in plane crash.
http://tinyurl.com/nqo8wer
Posted by: Dr Spank

The Iowa Democratic Party will now petition to have Nor Luap placed on the ballot.

Posted by: Furious George at October 14, 2014 01:14 PM (UlJ3l)

152 In 15 years, GOP is gonna have to win like 80% of the white vote to be competitive nationally.
****
or we can all just move to mexico, now that it's basically empty.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 14, 2014 01:14 PM (udzve)

153 And I love you, Soona-not because you're fat and smoke-but other not wanting you to have a heart attack, of course, It's none of my business-I love you because you made me laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 14, 2014 01:14 PM (n4T5x)

154 Sgt. Romney's Lonely Healthcare Band will take care of it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 14, 2014 01:14 PM (W5DcG)

155 144 Black DIAMONS are for EXPERTS only!!

Posted by: elevenwing plover at October 14, 2014 01:12 PM (GXZgZ)

yeah, I got nuttin'

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:14 PM (QdqbP)

156 EC: That was me yesterday. $625.00 per month to $1300.00 per month for my wife and I.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at October 14, 2014 01:14 PM (78GBd)

157 I saw the Black Diamonds open for the White Stripes in '04 at the Toyota Center.

Posted by: Countrysquire, team mustard at October 14, 2014 01:15 PM (eEBON)

158 Even I'm confused!!

Posted by: M.C. Escher at October 14, 2014 01:05 PM (D/504)

I'll paint my confusion as a cloud elephant with a flying clock melting on it!

!!

Posted by: Salvador Dali! at October 14, 2014 01:15 PM (0HooB)

159 Drudge is having fun with the San Francisco "animal activist", whatever the hell that is, who walked into a restaurant to rant to the patrons about eating chickens.

Posted by: MTF at October 14, 2014 01:15 PM (LISuA)

160 The subsidies are not free. They are coming out of our pockets.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2014 12:57 PM (M0mf2)
-------
On the other hand aren't the these just tax credits? So they would in line with the 'Starve the Beast' conservative tax approach right? it is not the government's money (pockets) is it? it is being left in the hands of those who earn it, no? I am a bit puzzled by the conservative critique of the subsidies. (i am not saying i support them or any other part of Obamicare or referring to the legality when issued from federal exchange, etc.) I believe these are in effect real credits and not faux credits such as EIC but I may be wrong.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 14, 2014 01:16 PM (SaMXZ)

161 They're not even trying at this point.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 14, 2014 12:41 PM

They don't have to try.

Those being hurt -- that would be damn near all of us -- will p*ss and moan, but the same goons will be kept in office, the same Favored Few will suck Choom Boy's toes, and the same pundits will issue the same blather about This Has Gotta Stop without making any serious effort to lead/support any attempt to do anything.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 14, 2014 01:16 PM (A17aa)

162 Sautée

Posted by: Donna Brazile at October 14, 2014 01:17 PM (vPh3W)

163 It's no longer even on the agenda at all. The GOPe has no intention of repealing it.

The GOPe wants to be the administrators of the "single payer" system. It will be a crony capitalist's dream come true.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 14, 2014 01:17 PM (W5DcG)

164 I don't know what they do to chickens but whatever it is it's delicious.

Posted by: elevenwing gaffigan at October 14, 2014 01:17 PM (GXZgZ)

165 Yeah my autocorrect adds accents in a lot and I'm often too lazy to chance them.

I turned off auto-correct and went with suggestive. It puts them up in a bar and I can pick them if I want. I decided to go with the correct spelling of sautéed because of yesterday's French lesson.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:17 PM (5sd/F)

166 My high deductible ($14K deductible w/ family of 6) policy went from $798 in 2013 to $908 in 2014. I've had this plan for 10+ years - long before Obama was just a stupid senator from IL. The costs were ~$400/mo and slowly rose to ~$550 until 2011. The last three years have been incredible increases. Here's the kicker: we've NEVER met the deductible and actually used the insurance. EVER.

I have four single adult children age 19-24 on the plan only because they can be on this plan cheaper than their company provided plans (with employee shared costs).

I've been asking Blue Cross what it will be in 2015.... crickets (so far). The largest participant in the MN exchange dropped out this year. The MNSure exchange is doomed. We are doomed. I expect it to go over $1000/mo in 2015.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 14, 2014 01:17 PM (R5UOB)

167 Why does my sock smell like Brazil?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2014 01:18 PM (vPh3W)

168 EC: That was me yesterday. $625.00 per month to $1300.00 per month for my wife and I.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at October 14, 2014 01:14 PM (78GBd)

I'm sorry dude.

Posted by: EC at October 14, 2014 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)

169 Well one thing is for sure about the Fredocare premiums:

THEY AIN'T GOING DOWN

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2014 01:18 PM (M0mf2)

170 @143

That sounds about right except white people are expressly forbidden from making racial/ethnic appeals so they will have to figure out some hi-tech dog whistles to scare up some votes.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 14, 2014 01:18 PM (d3372)

171 Here's an issue Repubs should push hard.

Poll: Two-thirds back Ebola travel ban
http://tinyurl.com/nydr8g2

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 14, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)

172 We don't care.

Posted by: GOP at October 14, 2014 01:19 PM (XzRw1)

173 In 15 years, GOP is gonna have to win like 80% of the white vote to be competitive nationally.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 14, 2014 01:12 PM (ZPrif)

I'm sure they'll figure out a way to cope, just like they have before. Big govt pays.

Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at October 14, 2014 01:19 PM (FA3Z7)

174 162 Sautée

Posted by: Donna Brazile at October 14, 2014 01:17 PM (vPh3W)

now you're just showing off...and how do I put that little doohickey on there? Pen? Pencil? What?

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:19 PM (QdqbP)

175 >>>>Gotta Stop without making any serious effort to lead/support any attempt to do anything.
Posted by: MrScribbler

Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat......

As Sonny & Cher (I think) once sang, "The beat goes on"

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:19 PM (2Aj5D)

176 Sautée

Posted by: rickl at October 14, 2014 01:20 PM (zoehZ)

177 Lie fatigue

Posted by: NYC Parent at October 14, 2014 01:20 PM (HEo6y)

178 whoops.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:20 PM (QdqbP)

179 now you're just showing off...and how do I put that little doohickey on there? Pen? Pencil? What?

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:19 PM (QdqbP)

You need the Platinum Membership with Hobo Cluster pack.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 14, 2014 01:20 PM (mf5HN)

180 Poll: Two-thirds back Ebola travel ban
http://tinyurl.com/nydr8g2
Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 14, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)
------
Politicizing a disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are the evil Rethuglicans doing this? We need pull together rather than divide ourselves.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 14, 2014 01:20 PM (SaMXZ)

181 Frankly, my paintings make more sense than your Obamacare!

!!!

Posted by: Salvador Dali! at October 14, 2014 01:20 PM (0HooB)

182 Drudge is having fun with the San Francisco "animal activist", whatever the hell that is, who walked into a restaurant to rant to the patrons about eating chickens.

Garcon! Garcon! Another yard bird if you please!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:21 PM (5sd/F)

183
est-ce que ça marche avec des accent?

é è ê

Posted by: Umlaut Liberation Front at October 14, 2014 01:21 PM (JtwS4)

184
43
They can hide the rates on the craptastic $1 billion website but anyone getting insurance through their employer is getting the bad news right now.
Posted by: JackStraw
................
Yep. Had to re-enroll last month in a new plan with higher premiums, HSA cut from $5000 to $750, and other hidden BS. It's almost like Dr. Hussein lied to me.

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2014 01:21 PM (wAQA5)

185 I wast old there would be spades, not diamonds.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 14, 2014 01:22 PM (SaMXZ)

186 Saut$$

Posted by: eleven at October 14, 2014 01:22 PM (GXZgZ)

187 Black diamonds have replaced ampersands!

!!!

Posted by: Salvador Dali! at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (0HooB)

188 now you're just showing off...and how do I put that little doohickey on there? Pen? Pencil? What?

Posted by: Viv
---------------

& # 232
Remove the spaces, and you get è

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (vPh3W)

189 The only appropriate response is tar and feathers, for the lot.

Posted by: flounder at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (sDapq)

190 Posted by: Umlaut Liberation Front

Wankers.

Posted by: Popular Front of Umlauts at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (/kI1Q)

191 Government control has simply turned the insurance industry into another redistribution stream. It's no surprise that it works the same as it does in the government sector.

Posted by: --- at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (MMC8r)

192 179 now you're just showing off...and how do I put that little doohickey on there? Pen? Pencil? What?

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:19 PM (QdqbP)

You need the Platinum Membership with Hobo Cluster pack.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 14, 2014 01:20 PM (mf5HN)

Whoa...pricey. The frenchy French will have to wait till I join the FSA, then my necessities will be paid for so I can afford those kinds of luxuries.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (QdqbP)

193 Shit--

Washington Post is saying the man killed in Riyadh is a defense contractor.

Probably Vinell Arabia or Northrop Grumman.

I'm going to be sick, they are calling it-

"work place violence".

(Lots of good people trying to get the bloody Sauds on board, etc. now they are getting killed.)

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (RJMhd)

194 Ooops I meant saut&&

Posted by: eleven at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (GXZgZ)

195 Still waiting for my $2500 savings

Posted by: Naive voter at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (R5UOB)

196 & # 232
Remove the spaces, and you get è
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Oops...., & # 233 : é

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2014 01:24 PM (vPh3W)

197 & # 232
Remove the spaces, and you get è
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Oops...., & # 233 : é

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2014 01:24 PM (vPh3W)

198 Do black diamonds require quarantine? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Nancy Snyderman at October 14, 2014 01:24 PM (dUGHS)

199 When is the employer mandate supposed to hit? Right now we are getting insurance thru Mommas work (thank God), but I am sure that will change. It's not cheap, but it's good.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 14, 2014 01:25 PM (32Ze2)

200 I love the black diamonds! Especially double black diamonds.

Posted by: Skiier at October 14, 2014 01:25 PM (R5UOB)

201 "work place violence"

Work place violence my @$$.

Posted by: wrg500 at October 14, 2014 01:26 PM (S+el1)

202 in re Employer Group Plans, hubster got notice our Open Enrollment will be Nov 3-15

Hopefully, anyone who still has employer coverage, or an employer for that matter, realizes by now that their quality of coverage has gone Down, and their Premiums have gone UP

One of the most effective campaign speeches Gore gave when running w Big Dawg in 91 was the UP/DOWN repetitive speech

Unemployment is UP. job creation is DOWN
food & gas prices are UP, wages are DOWN
everything that should be down is up, and divert thing that should be UP is DOSN...(crowd now echoing UP/DOWN)
Lets turn this UPSIDE DOWN!! Vote yards tads

Crowd roars

Whither the GOP?
*cricket*

Posted by: ginaswo at October 14, 2014 01:26 PM (+X1qa)

203 Yeah and it would have all been free if the Republicans didn't shut the government down./

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 14, 2014 01:26 PM (Ba/TT)

204 I must hie me to the local lunch counter. Bbl.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2014 01:26 PM (vPh3W)

205 VOTE YARDS TADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: eleven at October 14, 2014 01:27 PM (GXZgZ)

206
Nina Pham's boyfriend has been admitted to the hospital with ebola symptpms. I'm hoping its just stress. It has to be hard knowing you were exposed and worse that a loved one has it.

Posted by: The Progs at October 14, 2014 01:27 PM (iQIUe)

207 Yards tads? Really autocorrect?
Yada yada

Posted by: ginaswo at October 14, 2014 01:27 PM (+X1qa)

208 eleven

BWAAHAAAA

Hey would be an improvement over our current options

Posted by: ginaswo at October 14, 2014 01:28 PM (+X1qa)

209 Vote Yard Tads We Much!!!

Posted by: Rev Al at October 14, 2014 01:28 PM (dUGHS)

210 204 I must hie me to the local lunch counter. Bbl.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,

WTF? hie?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:28 PM (l1zOH)

211 @ 120 Costanza Defense

Funny how those escapades servicemen in Asia experience are things that not even Hollywood screenwriters would believe.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at October 14, 2014 01:28 PM (UyNpO)

212 Nina Pham's boyfriend has been admitted to the hospital with ebola symptpms. I'm hoping its just stress. It has to be hard knowing you were exposed and worse that a loved one has it.
Posted by: The Progs at October 14, 2014 01:27 PM (iQIUe)
***********
I saw that this morning but it wasn't being widely reported so I didn't bring it up. Sad. I hope this country survives Fredo

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 14, 2014 01:28 PM (32Ze2)

213 I wonder how many policies actually get grandfathered, too. Only policies purchased before March 23 2010 are eligible. I bought mine last year, so it isn't eligible. Anyone who went off their employer's insurance in the last four and a half years, if they got insurance, it will be canceled--and they should have or be about to receive their notice. I got mine last month.

Although it was worded slightly weaselly--don't worry, your coverage has been extended! ... To December 31.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 14, 2014 01:29 PM (0RVOs)

214 Why does my sock smell like Brazil?

Per my b-i-l's ex-wife:

"In Brazil, all the bitches smell like flowers."

Posted by: fluffy at October 14, 2014 01:29 PM (Ua6T/)

215 It's sad that the two major parties are devolving into racial/ethnic voting blocs. Predictable, but sad.

This is what always happens in multi-ethnic societies. Hell, this is why the nation-state was invented in the first place.

It is human nature for people to band together into ethnic, linguistic, and religious tribes to gain power -- and they use that power to fuck over people in the other tribes.

In the coming decades, Repubs will constantly talk about trying to expand their vote share among non-whites, but it will always be easier to increase the white vote on the margn.

Even politicians who want to avoid racial and ethnic appeals will be tempted by it since it's just so much easier than making ideological and policy arguments.

Look at the black vote. Repubs have spent 50 years making arguments about abortion, school choice, illegal immigration, etc, etc. Dems skip all that crap and just repeat "Republicans hate black people" a million times an get 90% of the vote.

Mutli-ethnic societies splitting along racial, ethnic, linguistic, and religious lines doesn't even require especially evil politicians ... it's just human nature. It takes especially noble politicians to resist that.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 14, 2014 01:29 PM (ZPrif)

216 Paki Taliban pledges allegance to ISIS. Just one big happy family.

Posted by: wrg500 at October 14, 2014 01:29 PM (S+el1)

217 Unreal Houstons Dem Leaders Subpoena Sermons Of Local Pastors To See If They Opposed Transgender Bathroom Law

Weasel Zippers

Liberals run amok. These people are bat shit crazy. And they are the ones who came up with the idea of Fredocare

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2014 01:29 PM (M0mf2)

218 Nina Pham's boyfriend has been admitted to the hospital with ebola symptpms.

---

No, he's been quarantined at the hospital but the official word is he has no symptoms. He's just being observed.

(WHich raises teh question why quarantine at the hospital instead of at home).

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2014 01:29 PM (cbfNE)

219 è

& && &

Posted by: fluffy at October 14, 2014 01:30 PM (Ua6T/)

220 201 "work place violence"

Work place violence my @$$.
Posted by: wrg500 at October 14, 2014 01:26 PM (S+el1)

*******

Well we know before the lone wolf got translated to that--

"work place violence".

The Saud v. Iran--thing might go sideways.

The Sauds told Iran to remove their "occupying" forces from Syria.

That is actually more true than people know.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 14, 2014 01:30 PM (RJMhd)

221 This morning on F & F, Rick Harrison was on (Pawn Stars). He was asked about being a small businessman and he said that it was becoming more and more difficult due to the government mandates and interference. He said his health insurance premiums for his employees this year just rose from $19,000 a year to $30,000.
When asked why, he said, "Well, I have 60 year old women working who must have maternity care and I have straight as arrow ex cops working for me that are required to have paid drug rehabilitation therapy."

Posted by: Jen at October 14, 2014 01:30 PM (H2RaY)

222 >>Nina Pham's boyfriend has been admitted to the hospital with ebola symptoms.

I really hope he doesn't have it.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2014 01:30 PM (D/504)

223 And there it is. The blackmail. On Drudge.

Guatamalen President - USA should provide BILLIONS to curb flow of illegals.

How about filled, returned body bags?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:30 PM (5sd/F)

224 >>and if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.
Posted by: Viv Savage

But it would be unlikley she would be a Republican politician.

Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2014 01:31 PM (b3p08)

225 Sad. I hope this country survives Fredo
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 14, 2014 01:28 PM (32Ze2)

The current odds are 3-1 against. How much yoos wana bet pal?

Posted by: FatGuyCrookedNoseNJ at October 14, 2014 01:31 PM (M0mf2)

226 Poll: Two-thirds back Ebola travel ban
http://tinyurl.com/nydr8g2
Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 14, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)
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Politicizing a disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are the evil Rethuglicans doing this? We need pull together rather than divide ourselves.

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Nation of cowards. And racists.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2014 01:31 PM (XUKZU)

227 Yard tads with a vinaigrette dressing is very good.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:31 PM (l1zOH)

228 216 Paki Taliban pledges allegance to ISIS. Just one big happy family.
Posted by: wrg500 at October 14, 2014 01:29 PM (S+el1)

********

Add to that the "government" protests going on there...

Off to check Wall Street...

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 14, 2014 01:31 PM (RJMhd)

229 Poll: Two-thirds back Ebola travel ban
http://tinyurl.com/nydr8g2
Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 14, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)
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Politicizing a disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are the evil Rethuglicans doing this? We need pull together rather than divide ourselves.

-
Nation of cowards. And racists.

Damn Pixie ruined my joke.

Posted by: Eric Holder at October 14, 2014 01:32 PM (XUKZU)

230 219 è

& && &

Posted by: fluffy at October 14, 2014 01:30 PM (Ua6T/)

now you're just having too much fun. lol.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 14, 2014 01:32 PM (QdqbP)

231 Still waiting for my $2500 savings
Posted by: Naive voter at October 14, 2014 01:23 PM (R5UOB)

The Republicans stole it from you.
Vote for us and we will get it in the mail.

Posted by: Dems at October 14, 2014 01:32 PM (W5DcG)

232 227
Yard tads with a vinaigrette dressing is very good.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:31 PM (l1zOH)

I prefer umlauts. With shallots.

Posted by: Shawn Spencer at October 14, 2014 01:32 PM (sDapq)

233 I saw the Yard Tads open for Traffic at the Hollywood Bowl

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 14, 2014 01:32 PM (32Ze2)

234 I oppose work place violins.

Cause that would just be annoying.

Posted by: eleven at October 14, 2014 01:32 PM (GXZgZ)

235 Guatamalen President - USA should provide BILLIONS to curb flow of illegals.

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A fence would be cheaper. Plus land mines.

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2014 01:32 PM (cbfNE)

236 Look, guys, they are hiding it simply because you might overreact to getting lied to and screwed over. We sure don't want that to happen.I mean sure, you are getting screwed over. We all aknowledge that. But that doesn't mean you need to get all worked up over and say, I dunno, vote them out of office or soemhting. That would be a rash act in the face of you getting screwed over, don't you think? Really, they are helping you to deal with getting screwed over, doing you a favor, so you don't lash out and blame someone,and I by someone I mean mostly them.

Posted by: Thurston Howell III at October 14, 2014 01:33 PM (sta+V)

237 A fence would be cheaper. Plus land mines.

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2014 01:32 PM (cbfNE)

Refreshing Ebola spritzers.

Posted by: Shawn Spencer at October 14, 2014 01:34 PM (sDapq)

238 New Turkey thread with Kurds.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2014 01:34 PM (DrWcr)

239 I oppose work place violins.
Cause that would just be annoying.

Soothing. Or square dancing.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2014 01:34 PM (5sd/F)

240 Please make sure you're pronouncing it properly. It's Pok-e-stan. We don't want to offend the nation because we don't pronounce their name properly.

Posted by: Branco Bama at October 14, 2014 01:34 PM (n4T5x)

241 Hi @61 Nevergiveup! I read about a possible E. Holder replacement. He sounds like a bigger loser than Holder.
Pixy won't let me post the link*shakes fist*
J Christian Adams wrote a piece on PJMedia on a man named Tom Perez. He and Holder were in cahoots. He is the next choice. Super.

Posted by: Snowybits at October 14, 2014 01:35 PM (mR3Kq)

242 If you're not skeeved out enough by the ISIS headchoppers and Ebola, just continue reading. One of my wife's cats developed sores on his belly so she assigned me to take him to the vet. The diagnosis: Feline leprosy. Yeah, Sam the Leper has leprosy.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2014 01:36 PM (XUKZU)

243 OBAMA WAITING FOR MIDTERM TO NAME ATTORNEY GENERAL

Oh yeah it's gonna be a doozy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2014 01:36 PM (M0mf2)

244 And when ( if) the Republicans get majorities they will do what?

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2014 01:36 PM (v5UtH)

245 My employer still hasn't sent out the plan details for 2015 yet. Feels like it's behind schedule.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 14, 2014 01:38 PM (SO2Q8)

246 243 Well,come on,we knew it wasn't going to be good.

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2014 01:39 PM (v5UtH)

247 And whatever awful AG candidate he puts up,the GOP will confirm them.

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2014 01:40 PM (v5UtH)

248 MH -

hie (h)
intr. & tr.v. hied, hie·ing or hy·ing (hng), hies
To go quickly; hasten.

Something people in WI do not do..., ;-)

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2014 01:41 PM (vPh3W)

249 I call this Chrome Yard Tads with Flying Camel!

!!!!

Posted by: Salvador Dali! at October 14, 2014 01:42 PM (0HooB)

250 248 MH -

hie (h)
intr. & tr.v. hied, hieing or hying (hng), hies
To go quickly; hasten.

Something people in WI do not do..., ;-)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc

The things I learn here from you Tar Heels

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:49 PM (l1zOH)

251 Some of those other survivors better start donating blood otherwise Dr. Brantley is going to go dry!

Posted by: The Progs at October 14, 2014 01:51 PM (iQIUe)

252 So republicans should just pull a number out of their ass. Say the rates are going up 60%. Make someone prove them wrong.

Posted by: Dang at October 14, 2014 01:52 PM (MNq6o)

253
#233;
#38;

Posted by: R2D2 at October 14, 2014 01:53 PM (QW+AD)

254 252 So republicans should just pull a number out of their ass. Say the rates are going up 60%. Make someone prove them wrong.
Posted by: Dang

Sure, why not? Bastard Dems do it all the time.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 14, 2014 01:53 PM (l1zOH)

255 damnation

Posted by: R2D2 at October 14, 2014 01:54 PM (QW+AD)

256 If Republicans say rates are going up 60%, the media will first report that Republicans are saying/causing rates to go up. Then, when rates go up 50%, the media will report that rates are going down 17%.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 14, 2014 02:06 PM (0RVOs)

257 You want to know how little the Obamacare fiasco matters? John Kitzaber, governor of Oregon, presided over a total failure of the state website. They threw away several million dollars and got nothing. He's been a failure as a governor, but he looks like one. (And you can amuse yourself reading about the latest problem with his fiance. She did a green card marriage for money out of college. She bought property to grow pot on. Let's see what tomorrow brings.)

And, Kitzhaber will easily be re-elected because he has the D after his name.

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 14, 2014 03:00 PM (JKNZq)

258 Saturday: Political Poker FacesTo complement the strong and somewhat athletic collection Phillip Lim sent down his fall 2011 runway, makeup artist Lisa Butler was inspired to pop model's eyes with a wash of green color.

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