Update: Alton Nolen Was in the "Process of Being Terminated"

As Allah notes, this is a classic trigger for workplace murders, having nothing to do with religion.

When I say "the process of being terminated," I mean that in specific present tense: He was actually being fired in the very minutes before his rampage.

That doesn't mean religion doesn't have anything to do with this -- Why was he being fired? Was it due to his attempts to convert co-workers while on the job?

And his choice of manner of murder is suggestive.

However, it should be said that the motive here is not clear. I suspect a mixture of motives -- sudden distress plus certain thoughts already lurking around his brain -- but we don't know that yet.

Signature: Why behead the woman?

Beheading, I imagine, is a fairly long process, requiring a lot of muscular effort.

It is harder and takes longer than stabbing.

It does seem to be message-sending. Or a signature.

Profilers distinguish between M.O. and signature. M.O. are the steps taken to perform the crime -- and are needed to perform the crime.

But "signatures" (in ritualistic murders) aren't needed to do the crime. They are done because they are important to the killer for emotional, ritual purposes.

Cutting off a lock of the victim's hair, for example, is a signature.

Binding a victim is usually just an M.O., if the killer wants to carry the victim off. To do so, he must tie her up.

But tying her up with specific knots, like maybe those used in S&M stuff, is a signature. Not actually necessary to carry the crime out, but important to the perp for reasons that don't have to do with mere utility.

The beheading seems to be that kind of thing.

The crime was murder. That was easily accomplished by stabbing.

The beheading was unnecessary, but obviously something important to Alton Nolen, or else why spend the time and muscle-power to do it?

That seems to be a clear signature, and so the obvious question is: Why was this signature important to him?

Reminder: I'm not just being an anti-Muslim Islamophobe in asking these questions.

IS recently called upon the faithful to rise up and begin butchering people in America and France.

In Algeria, a French national named Herve Gourdel was kidnapped and then beheaded.

Now, in America, an American woman is beheaded in a frenzy-attack.

Different methods -- the Algerian beheading was a group effort, and was coordinated, whereas the American beheading seems to have been what the FBI would call a "disorganized" type of attack, and seemingly impromptu -- but nevertheless, one Frenchman and one American woman beheaded, just as IS asked.

These are not idle questions and they're not asked without reason.

Posted by: Ace at 12:53 PM




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1 Terminated with extreme prejudice!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 26, 2014 12:54 PM (d/dDK)

2 Daily mail is reporting he was a muslim convert.

Posted by: Nate in NOLA at September 26, 2014 12:54 PM (lhX9P)

3 Religion of pieces indeed...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2014 12:54 PM (78TbK)

4 Totally misunderstood the concept of "severance".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 12:54 PM (JtwS4)

5 I think all it's suggesting is that this form of murder has been heavily publicized recently.

Posted by: Weak Geek at September 26, 2014 12:55 PM (0tXmJ)

6 So...would this be part of the war on women? Islamic male murdering a non-islamic female?

Or do we just have to be willing to break a few eggs to make our mult-culti omelet?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2014 12:55 PM (78TbK)

7 And doesn't everyone discuss bombs when using a cellphone on a commercial jet not just Moslems?

Posted by: andycanuck at September 26, 2014 12:55 PM (d/dDK)

8 However, it should be said that the motive here is not clear. I suspect a mixture of motives -- sudden distress plus certain thoughts already lurking around his brain -- but we don't know that yet.

And if it should not fit the narrative, we won't ever know it if the MSM has full control of the story

Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2014 12:56 PM (aTXUx)

9 Hmm, gosh, religious fervor or stress - gee, I think this .,..changes nothing for me.
Hang the f*cker until his body rots.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 26, 2014 12:56 PM (H/OMd)

10
I suspect a mixture of motives --

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You are a better man than I am, Ace.

I could give two flying figs about what motivated him to saw a lady's head off.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2014 12:56 PM (NaV4z)

11 I'm going to make a very bold prediction about how this case will end.

Oklahoma will croak him, The only thing I'm not sure of... Is how long the drugs will take to do it.

Posted by: Jimilee at September 26, 2014 12:56 PM (Yba2e)

12 Reported on CNN that he was fired just minutes before the "work place violence".

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 12:57 PM (RJMhd)

13 Prayers for the victims.

Burning fires of Hell for the perp.

Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2014 12:57 PM (zDsvJ)

14 I'm going to make a very bold prediction about how this case will end.

Oklahoma will croak him, The only thing I'm not sure of... Is how long the drugs will take to do it.


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Ease up there Saltine. I aint out of office yet.....

Posted by: Eric Holder at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (NaV4z)

15 Holder said it all, "nation of cowards". Show some backbone FFS.

You do sound "reasonable" though.

Posted by: nip at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (a6Odp)

16 If it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, and acts like a duck, it's definitely workplace violence.

Posted by: YanksRule at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (VSm85)

17 I hope we get a lot of sunlight on this.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (z3PJU)

18
Chowderhead has been released by the brits:

https://twitter.com/anjemchoudary


And the shit continues to flow from his stupid muzzie mouth.

Posted by: The Progs at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (iQIUe)

19 Not saying its an Islam thing but am saying have not heard of any beheadings from anyone other than a Muslim... almost ever.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (C2//T)

20 Here's a suggestion for the HR people out there, when someone is about to get fired take them out for a beer and a BLT first. Its a tip-off lunch menu. That way, you'll know if the firing should be done in the lobby of the local precinct or if using your own office is OK.

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (6um35)

21 Recent Muzz convert, tried to covert others, beheaded one apostate and tried to behead another when they refused.

Yeah, there's too much confusion over motive here to draw any conclusions.

I'm going to go with workplace violence, seasoned with America's inherent unfairness, with a helping of Bush's fault on the side.



Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 12:59 PM (7ObY1)

22 So, is Allahu Akbar Arabic for take this job and shove it?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2014 12:59 PM (78TbK)

23 Perhaps his conversion to Islam is a symptom of a pre-existing personal/psychological crisis that became full-on crazy when placed under duress.

Posted by: weew at September 26, 2014 01:00 PM (0tmLY)

24 At Gateway Pundit, he has a list of all the criminal offenses this guy has on his rap sheet.

A model employee, just trying to get his head on straight.

Now in several blue states you cannot ask about criminal history on job applications. It's another Holder initiative.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 26, 2014 01:00 PM (DXnlr)

25 I'm going to go with workplace violence, seasoned with America's inherent unfairness, with a helping of Bush's fault on the side.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 12:59 PM (7ObY1)



Sure, cover up for Cheney, Halliburton and Koch brothers.

Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2014 01:00 PM (u2a4R)

26 I'm going to go with workplace violence, seasoned with America's
inherent unfairness, with a helping of Bush's fault on the side.
***
You forgot raciss

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2014 01:00 PM (78TbK)

27 As Allah notes, this is a classic trigger for workplace murders, having nothing to do with religion.

I don't care. He killed in the name of Allah and in the prescribed manner popular among those who follow Islam.

Posted by: Joel at September 26, 2014 01:00 PM (7x/KZ)

28 However, it should be said that the motive here is not clear.



Who gives a flying goats ass?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (keT9Z)

29 Yeah I remember I was fired one time for trying to convert people into the Islamic faith.

Heads didn't roll. It wasn't in vogue.

Posted by: Drider at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (PpWUL)

30 >>>I could give two flying figs about what motivated him to saw a lady's head off.


but that's not true at all. You are indeed interested in the specific motive.

you are not just viewing this as a murder, but possibly a murder linked to something bigger, something ideological.

That is all about motive.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (/FnUH)

31 Oh, so correction. He was in the "process" of getting canned.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (ULVFb)

32 Still an interesting choice of violence. Why behead someone one in a fit or rage? Especially if this person was someone you had recently attempted to convert to Islam.
Why to attack his boss (this wasn't his boss, right?) or someone more closely related to his firing, like HR person or co. leadership ?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (D/504)

33 My theory:


Co-workers probably went to management several times and documented their complaints against him. Management probably met with Nolan several times to counsel him with warnings about his workplace behaviour. After the final disciplinary warning failed, he was told he was being let go because of his well-documented violations of company policy. And that's when he flipped out.


Sooner or later, his workplace record will get out.


Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (GQ8sn)

34
From NewsOK:

Several employees told police he had been trying to convert other employees to Islam. As a result of that, the Moore police has requested FBI assistance in looking to Nolen's background.

I'm starting to like Oklahoma*. First the COO is armed and shoots the perp.

Then the police do the obvious (to us) thing and call the FBI when it turns out he's a convert to Islam.







* I'm liking the state. The first person who starts singing the musical still gets punched in the dick.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (JtwS4)

35 Yeah, given that he F'n DECAPITATED the woman, I think we know what motivated this SOB, regardless if one doesn't have the stones to draw the right conclusion. And I don't expect law enforcement to EVER admit that sudden jihad syndrome was as much a motivating factor as any thing else regarding this crime. The DOJ still claims that the terrorist attack in Ft. Hood TX was nothing more than an unfortunate example of "work place violence", so why does anyone expect they will get to the truth on this one?

Posted by: WVinMN at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (ylbY8)

36 Update: Alton Nolen Was in the "Process of Being Terminated"

As Allah notes, this is a classic trigger for workplace murders, having nothing to do with religion.


You may end up owing me ten bucks, Ace.

Posted by: Harry Reid at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (zF6Iw)

37 Ever notice that it is often E-slammers who see murder as a salve for every hurt?

Posted by: Bear Grylls at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (xWW96)

38 Religion of Peace. Peace of Shit.

Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (MNq6o)

39 What the fuck is wrong with me? I've been fired and I never killed anyone except a 6 pack and bottle of booze and perhaps a joint.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, kinder, gentler machine gun hand at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (vPh3W)

40 It take a special something to behead someone.

Posted by: Green Line at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (W6iIX)

41 Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 12:54 PM (JtwS4)

We have a winner at #4. Morbid, but a winner.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (YTKyk)

42 #16 We're not allowed to use the D-word here at the HQ any more. You have to use d*cks now.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (d/dDK)

43 22 So, is Allahu Akbar Arabic for take this job and shove it?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2014 12:59 PM (78TbK)

No, that's inshallah.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (sWgE+)

44 >>>I don't care. He killed in the name of Allah and in the prescribed manner popular among those who follow Islam.

what do you mean you don't care?


i suspect you're right, and obviously that's the way my gut is leading me, but I'm bothered by this "Meh, I don't care about dumb facts, I've got my ideological hunch about it" thing.

Truthfully, most of us (including me) think that way, but what the heck is this deal with *admitting* it?


Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (/FnUH)

45 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (/FnUH)

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...like I said... you're the better man..

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (NaV4z)

46 I'm ready to make the leap. He will have been set for dismissal for being crazy and fired for aggressive, intrusive, insistant proselytizing.

I have no doubt his choice of weaker female victims has to do with his crazy sexual inappropriateness and his belief their their attractiveness and lack of muslimness led to the cosmic outrage of his firing.

Posted by: Sarahw at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (Lbv/k)

47 19 Not saying its an Islam thing but am saying have not heard of any beheadings from anyone other than a Muslim... almost ever.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (C2//T)

Other than Mexican drug cartels, it seems very rare outside of pisslam.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (DrWcr)

48 Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

Pfizer should make a pill. And commercials.

Hornady already makes 230gr pills to stop it, but they can't be administered by non-law-enforcement in a lot of jurisdictions.

Posted by: wizardpc at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (JeEGd)

49 DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 2m
Obama Praised Muslim Cleric who Endorsed Fatwa Against American Troops... http://drudge.tw/1okIoc5

Posted by: Tweets of Doom at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (ZPrif)

50 Off, pedo sock.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (zF6Iw)

51 Whenever gun violence happens, no matter the circumstances, guns are blamed.

So in that spirit, this has nothing to do with anything other than a Muslim fanatic.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 26, 2014 01:04 PM (0LHZx)

52 When any westerner living in the USA willingly converts to Islam, that ought to be a red flag in itself... an indicator that somethin' ain't right.

Posted by: weew at September 26, 2014 01:04 PM (0tmLY)

53 off bug eating, piss swilling sock....

Posted by: maddogg at September 26, 2014 01:04 PM (xWW96)

54 no REAL Muslim would cut someone's head off...

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 26, 2014 01:04 PM (q+fqH)

55 Yes, interesting method of murder indeed.

Posted by: seems legit at September 26, 2014 01:05 PM (A98Xu)

56 The religion of pieces, body pieces that is.

Posted by: Killerdog at September 26, 2014 01:05 PM (PHpUf)

57 20 Here's a suggestion for the HR people out there, when someone is about to get fired take them out for a beer and a BLT first.


Heh. And ask him to pet your dog.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 01:05 PM (7ObY1)

58 "Why was he being fired?"

If he were fired for proselytizing I'm thinking his cultist addled brain led him to seek justice for that weak assed punk Allah. A god that apparently can only survive when those cultists who worship it violently convert other worshipers.

Posted by: NotCoach at September 26, 2014 01:05 PM (rsudF)

59 Oh and on Google News....not a mention of this story.

Hmmm....wonder why?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 26, 2014 01:05 PM (0LHZx)

60 >>> Still an interesting choice of violence. Why behead someone one in a fit or rage?

indeed. this seems to take a lot more work than simply killing the victim.

It does seem to be message-sending.

Or: Serial killers have a signature-- something they don't NEED to do to execute the crime, but which is important to them for emotional, ritual purposes. Cutting off a lock of the victim's hair, for example.

the beheading seems to be that kind of thing.


Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:05 PM (/FnUH)

61 Did his termination involve his failure to put cover sheets on his TPS reports?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 26, 2014 01:06 PM (XUKZU)

62 Oh I see the Moo has made an appearance. Next he will tell us these women had it coming.

On that note morons. I'm out of here. See you Sunday night.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, kinder, gentler machine gun hand at September 26, 2014 01:06 PM (vPh3W)

63 42 #16 We're not allowed to use the D-word here at the HQ any more. You have to use d*cks now.
Posted by: andycanuck


No. Ace specifically told us not to say

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 26, 2014 01:06 PM (sDQnB)

64 He ceased being a Muslim when he began cutting and became a Muslim again when he was done.

In between? Agent of Satan. QED PBUH

Posted by: Imam Barack at September 26, 2014 01:06 PM (Xv7f/)

65 [Allah notes, this is a classic trigger for workplace murders, having nothing to do with religion ]

Yeah. I'm gonna speculate a beheading is slightly different than your average workplace violence.

And people want to know why I don't read Allah any more.

Do much stupid. So little time.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 26, 2014 01:06 PM (ULVFb)

66 That's quite a strange severance package.

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 26, 2014 01:06 PM (oDCMR)

67 I was fired.

I went home.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 26, 2014 01:07 PM (oFCZn)

68 Also interesting that there was another crazy UK Muslim who recently beheaded some random 85 year old womn, and Australian police recently arrested a group of Muslims who were planning a very public beheading.
And the obvious - IS beheading untold numbers of Iraqis, Syrians, and very publicly, several westerners.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2014 01:07 PM (D/504)

69 Truthfully, most of us (including me) think
that way, but what the heck is this deal with
*admitting* it?



He cut a lady's head off. He murdered her in cold blood, tried to kill a second one and was caught/shot in the process.
He is a murderer. End him. Today.
Why did he do it? WTF cares why.
Did he do it? Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 01:07 PM (keT9Z)

70 >>>I suspect a mixture of motives -- sudden distress plus certain thoughts already lurking around his brain


Because 'sudden distress' makes me wanna cut a bitch. Amirite?

I know that you aren't dismissing it, but method is extremely suggestive and follow through, wel,l that may just be the crazy talking.

Posted by: dogfish at September 26, 2014 01:07 PM (1vYi0)

71
Yeah. I'm gonna speculate a beheading is slightly different than your average workplace violence.

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That very large paper cutter is soooooo tempting.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2014 01:07 PM (NaV4z)

72
Oh and on Google News....not a mention of this story.


If you google "Oklahoma beheading" google news has plenty of links. NewsOK is updating the story periodically as details emerge.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:07 PM (JtwS4)

73 indeed. this seems to take a lot more work than simply killing the victim.



Remember: he was fired by HR in another office building, away from the building where he ultimately killed the woman and was shot. So this is definitely pre-meditated. He was fired in one location, drove to another, and then attempted to kill as many as he could.


I'm venturing to guess, he had people already in mind when he killed. Maybe that woman who was beheaded as his first target was the one who he thought filed the complaint.



Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (GQ8sn)

74 The next guy to get fired from Vaughan Foods might find it to be less of a "process."

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (+lsX1)

75 That's why firings are best conducted early in the week so that the firee can immediately start looking for another rather than face a long weekend unemployed.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (JO9+V)

76 Well, this is going to knock Brendan Tevlin off the front page for sure.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (l3vZN)

77 Did his termination involve his failure to put cover sheets on his TPS reports?
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His coworkers failed to cover their ankles and allowed impure thoughts into his mind. It was their fault.

Posted by: Mohammad at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (HstNY)

78 The shithead's use of beheading was a salute to the pathetic psychotic idiotic blather he calls a religion.

Posted by: maddogg at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (xWW96)

79 So, is this not how I get ahead? Should I not have done this? Did I do something wrong?

Posted by: SOme Jihadi trying to climb the corporate ladder at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (78TbK)

80 48 Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

Pfizer should make a pill. And commercials.


Some people have had changes in behavior, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions while using JIHADI-X to help them quit beheading.

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Also tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems before taking JIHADI-X, as these symptoms may worsen while taking JIHADI-X.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (7ObY1)

81 Cutting off a lock of the victim's hair, for example.
That's twisted.

Posted by: zombie aaron kosminski at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (d/dDK)

82 While firings/passed over for promotions/etc. often trigger workplace violence, most people don't go through the trouble of beheading someone when they go postal as it were.

Indeed, often it's one of two things, either a) you go for as much carnage as possible prior to offing yourself or b) you target someone in particular killing anything in your way.

This guy (based on early reports) opted for c: targeting no one specifically (per Allah's link) but also apparently taking time to kill someone in a way that takes longer than just a few seconds (unless the OK police are overstating what actually happened.)

Now that doesn't completely tip the evidence, but I think it at least implies this dude was shaded by the whole "behead the infidels" thing.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 months! at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (HDwDg)

83 I'm willing to bet that Islam did not compel him to murder... but rather his murderous nature compelled him to convert to Islam.

Posted by: weew at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (0tmLY)

84 It could have been a video, or maybe he was just walking around and decided to kill some Americans. At this point, what dif

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (xq1UY)

85 It is time that we decriminalized beheadings. It clearly has a disparate impact on young Afro-Americans.

Posted by: Erk Holer at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (l1zOH)

86 If you google "Oklahoma beheading" google news has plenty of links. NewsOK is updating the story periodically as details emerge.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:07 PM (JtwS4)

________

Right. It's out there IF you search for it.

What I meant was on Google News home page there is nothing in the "top news" section. But there's plenty about the Ryder Cup...you know the important stuff in the world.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (0LHZx)

87 45 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (/FnUH)
--
...like I said... you're the better man..

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2014 01:03 PM (NaV4z)


Tying into yesterday's discussion, the "better" group believes we're above this type of violence.

I believe there are far more crazies out there than we care to imagine. The tipping point will be some act of carnage so beyond the imagination that even the best of our people will cry for immediate vengeance.

Think of what would happen if one of these highly motivated converts gets on a bus filled with doe-eyed children? Live streaming it just for good measure.

All facades of civility would be out the window at that point.

Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (u2a4R)

88 I had a tall blonde for lunch, I still can't walk but I feel great!

Posted by: Killerdog at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (PHpUf)

89 Erverybody's missing the main point! What effect will this have on global warming?!!!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (XUKZU)

90 Sudden Jihadist Syndrome....

thanks Comrade Soetoro

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:10 PM (/4AZU)

91 Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2014 01:07 PM (D/504)


they foiled a beheading plot by the ROP in Norway recently too

Posted by: Green Line at September 26, 2014 01:10 PM (W6iIX)

92 I just don't want the media to turn this into some sort of workplace violence nonsense.

Something like a beheading is clearly rooted in this guys fanatical religion.

I really don't buy into the whole idea of moderate Muslims. The religion itself is the problem, all one has to do is read passages of the Koran and it becomes clear what it's all about.

Amazing how in this day and age, the media will give more respect and deference to a Muslim than an Evangelical Christian.

Posted by: McAdams at September 26, 2014 01:10 PM (cfpiy)

93 It is time that we decriminalized beheadings. It clearly has a disparate impact on young Afro-Americans.

Enthusiastic barbering should not be a crime.

Posted by: --- at September 26, 2014 01:10 PM (MMC8r)

94
Think of what would happen if one of these highly motivated converts
gets on a bus filled with doe-eyed children? Live streaming it just
for good measure.


See this is why you we don't send our kids to public schools.

Posted by: The NEA at September 26, 2014 01:10 PM (78TbK)

95 There's a reason we call him Allahpander

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (7ObY1)

96 What religion was this chap before he converted to Islam?
There are a lot of religions that advocate cutting off peoples head if they won't convert or if you have been terminated at work./

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (R8hU8)

97 60 Sawing off a head, even with a boning knife and lots of practice at meatcutting, takes a fair chunk of time. Just sayin'...

Incidentally, if you have an employee with a violent criminal history and you are firing them, it sure would be prudent to be alert for problems at least for a day or two. And that has nothing to do with his religion.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (DXnlr)

98 but that's not true at all. You are indeed interested in the specific motive.



you are not just viewing this as a murder, but possibly a murder linked to something bigger, something ideological.



That is all about motive.



Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:01 PM (/FnUH)



I am mildly interested, if only to verify the theory, but ultimately I don't care what his motivation was. From the initial indications he ended a life wrongly, and you put him down for that for the same reasons you put down a rabid dog...because he is a danger, not because of his motives.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (6fyGz)

99
NewsOK update:

Saad Mohammad, director of news and information for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, said leaders of the society's mosque in northwest Oklahoma City are on alert and taking security precautions to protect the Muslims who gather there from any violence that someone might try to attempt in retaliation for the Moore incident. He said the anti-Muslim sentiments people may have could be heightened due to the beheadings and violence being perpetrated by the Islamic extremist group ISIS overseas.

So, don't pick on Muslims, ok?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (JtwS4)

100 80 - Citizen x - You left out the rashes.

Posted by: Erk Holer at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (l1zOH)

101 Think of what would happen if one of these highly motivated converts gets on a bus filled with doe-eyed children? Live streaming it just for good measure.

All facades of civility would be out the window at that point. Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (u2a4R) Don't wory, jwest. That is coming. Sure bet.

Posted by: maddogg at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (xWW96)

102 21 Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 12:59 PM (7ObY1)

If ever the firings at this plant take an ill wind....I will hold you down for Jihadi Jim....

//Bronko O. Bama

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (/4AZU)

103 88 I had a tall blonde for lunch, I still can't walk but I feel great!
Posted by: Killerdog at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (PHpUf)

I'll call you, I promise.

Posted by: Dolph Lundgren at September 26, 2014 01:12 PM (DrWcr)

104 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:05 PM (/FnUH

Ace,

It's been a while since I've taken psych, but IIRC, people who tend to leave signatures do so out of a compulsion.

Taking a lock of hair for example is about keeping a trophy.

If the "Beheading" was a signature then there'd be a particular reason for it in the crazy guy's mind.

Given the current associations with beheading, I can come up with only 1 reason.

If I stretch, I might be able to get 2.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 months! at September 26, 2014 01:12 PM (HDwDg)

105 If someone is trying to convert people to Jesus during working hours no doubt they would be fired too. Some people would find it "offensive". But I doubt they would lose their heads.

Posted by: deepred at September 26, 2014 01:12 PM (xv5cf)

106 Good friend of mine had to lay off 31 people this past Tuesday. Fortunately you can't behead someone with a wireless router. That I know of, anyway.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (4Mv1T)

107 >>>m mildly interested, if only to verify the theory, but ultimately I don't care what his motivation was. From the initial indications he ended a life wrongly, and you put him down for that for the same reasons you put down a rabid dog...because he is a danger, not because of his motives.

well look, I think almost all of us agree with that (except those who are opposed to the DP, and they of course want life in prison).

No one's sitting here saying "Hey, only punish him if he's a jihadist. If he's an every day workplace spree killer, just give him a ticket!"

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (/FnUH)

108 47 19 Not saying its an Islam thing but am saying have not heard of any beheadings from anyone other than a Muslim... almost ever.

Here you go

http://tinyurl.com/kfsdhdg


Posted by: Raspail at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (Xv7f/)

109 I'm venturing to guess, he had people already in
mind when he killed. Maybe that woman who was beheaded as his first
target was the one who he thought filed the complaint.






Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 01:08 PM (GQ8sn)



Am I wrong here, or did he attack only women at this point?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (6fyGz)

110 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (0LHZx

I'm seeing it 3rd.

After the CEO of Pimco is out, and a fire grounding flights in Chicago.

Admittedly 1 and 2 are somewhat important.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 4 months! at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (HDwDg)

111 Think of what would happen if one of these highly motivated converts gets on a bus filled with doe-eyed children? Live streaming it just for good measure.

It would be an isolated transit-related disruption.

Posted by: King Barry at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (DrWcr)

112 David Burge @iowahawkblog
Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.

Posted by: Tweets of teh Funneh at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (ZPrif)

113 "Honey, I lost my job at the canning plant."

"Why? What happened?"

"I stuck my dick in the pickle cutter."

"My god, didn't that hurt?"

"Nah. Pissed her off, though."

So I started beheading people...

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 26, 2014 01:14 PM (xq1UY)

114 "99
NewsOK update:

Saad Mohammad, director of news and information for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, said leaders of the society's mosque in northwest Oklahoma City are on alert and taking security precautions to protect the Muslims who gather there from any violence that someone might try to attempt in retaliation for the Moore incident. He said the anti-Muslim sentiments people may have could be heightened due to the beheadings and violence being perpetrated by the Islamic extremist group ISIS overseas.

So, don't pick on Muslims, ok?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (JtwS4) "

Isn't it rather telling that their response is not to distance themselves from this monster, but to instead worry for the safety of the rest of the monsters? Wouldn't most rational people immediately attempt to put distance between themselves and someone they might somehow be connected to that committed some atrocious act?

Posted by: NotCoach at September 26, 2014 01:14 PM (rsudF)

115 Incidentally, if you have an employee with a violent criminal history and you are firing them, it sure would be prudent to be alert for problems at least for a day or two. And that has nothing to do with his religion.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 26, 2014 01:11 PM (DXnlr) When I fire an employee, it is generally because of being a troublemaker or thief. In all cases, a full house .357 magnum in in top center desk drawer for the moment, and a week or more after.

Posted by: maddogg at September 26, 2014 01:14 PM (xWW96)

116 Saad Mohammad, director of news and information for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, said leaders of the society's mosque in northwest Oklahoma City are on alert and taking security precautions to protect the Muslims who gather there from any violence that someone might try to attempt in retaliation for the Moore incident. He said the anti-Muslim sentiments people may have could be heightened due to the beheadings and violence being perpetrated by the Islamic extremist group ISIS overseas.

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Can't we all just get along and overlook this beheading?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 26, 2014 01:15 PM (XUKZU)

117 109 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (6fyGz)

You would be incorrect...

he attacked females not women....

Islam thinks non Muslim women are whores and not completely human.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:15 PM (/4AZU)

118 Am I wrong here, or did he attack only women at this point?


Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:13 PM (6fyGz)

The names seem to suggest so.
I think he was stewing on the drive over to the food building, going over who could have complained to management about him trying to convert people. All the people who told him to STFU were put onto his shitlist in the time it took to get there.

Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 01:15 PM (GQ8sn)

119 When any westerner living in the USA willingly
converts to Islam, that ought to be a red flag in itself... an indicator
that somethin' ain't right.

Posted by: weew at September 26, 2014 01:04 PM
=======
The tell when radical Lutherans are about to lose it is the sudden urge to bake a green bean casserole and mix 25 lbs. of potato salad.

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2014 01:15 PM (JBggj)

120 Tranquility.

Posted by: wth at September 26, 2014 01:16 PM (wAQA5)

121 There seems to be two causes of beheading in this crazy world of ours:

Accident, and Islam.

Let's be careful out there.

Posted by: filbert at September 26, 2014 01:16 PM (h6Mpm)

122 On this week's episode of Criminal Minds...

Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2014 01:16 PM (VndSC)

123 Think of what would happen if one of these highly motivated converts gets on a bus filled with doe-eyed children? Live streaming it just for good measure.
All facades of civility would be out the window at that point.

Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (u2a4R)


I find your naivete oddly charming.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:16 PM (zF6Iw)

124 I believe there are far more crazies out there than
we care to imagine. The tipping point will be some act of carnage so
beyond the imagination that even the best of our people will cry for
immediate vengeance.



Think of what would happen if one of these highly motivated converts
gets on a bus filled with doe-eyed children? Live streaming it just
for good measure.



All facades of civility would be out the window at that point.

Posted by: jwest

Yea, something like that is inevitable. They'll go after a school and
and it will be a bunch of innocent children on video being beheaded.
The media will bend over backwards to say it's just a small subset of
Islam, but the "guy on the street" will know it's PC bullshit.

You'll see Mosques in America being burned down.

Still, I thought after 9/11 this sort of PC nonsense was dead, but it really didn't take long for a mosque to go up next to the WTC and anyone who was opposed to it was a bigot.

Posted by: McAdams at September 26, 2014 01:16 PM (cfpiy)

125 "Tying into yesterday's discussion, the "better" group believes we're above this type of violence."



Ah yes, this "better" group, those who are only safe because of rough men willing to do violence on their behalf.



I don't mind telling you I'm a sinner. A fat out of shape but well armed sinner. And if needs be, I'll sin all over your ass. My Dad is the preacher, not me.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:16 PM (6fyGz)

126 114
Isn't it rather telling that their response is not to distance themselves from this monster, but to instead worry for the safety of the rest of the monsters?

Posted by: NotCoach at September 26, 2014 01:14 PM (rsudF)



Muslims are experts at playing the victim card.

Right up until they go on offense.

Posted by: rickl at September 26, 2014 01:17 PM (zoehZ)

127 The tell when radical Lutherans are about to lose it is the sudden urge to bake a green bean casserole and mix 25 lbs. of potato salad.
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2014 01:15 PM (JBggj)


The coffee. Don't forget the coffee.

Posted by: filbert at September 26, 2014 01:17 PM (h6Mpm)

128 "Honey, I lost my job at the canning plant."

"Why? What happened?"

"I stuck my dick in the pickle cutter."

"My god, didn't that hurt?"

"Nah. Pissed her off, though."

So I started beheading people...


Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 26, 2014 01:14 PM (xq1UY)


No, the joke is supposed to go like:
"I stuck my dick in the pickle cutter."
"Oh my god!" *wife quickly pulls her husbands pants down and checks his penis, but sees it's ok*
"What happened to the pickle cutter?"
"She got fired too."

Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 01:17 PM (GQ8sn)

129 Ace,

As far as motive goes-

Remember this clown was trying to convert people to islam.

This is part of the jihadi procedure in theory.

Offer the infidel a chance to convert to islam - if they don't you may kill them.

Or charge them a jizya, the tax on infidels for the pleasure of living in islamic lands, which this guy wasn't going to get so-

stabby and sawwy it is.


He may have been planning something like this for a long time.

firing was just a convenient excuse to get choppy with the reluctant infidels.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2014 01:17 PM (KBvAm)

130 Not saying its an Islam thing but am saying have not heard of any beheadings from anyone other than a Muslim... almost ever.

-
You occasionally see them when they are trying to disguise the victim's identity, when they're trying to fit a body into a small freezer or something, or when somebody is pure nuts.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 26, 2014 01:17 PM (XUKZU)

131 Eric the Activist, who is still acting AG, is conspicuously silent?

Posted by: why????? at September 26, 2014 01:18 PM (zYgqi)

132

The media, (when left to their natural impulses):

Headline:

"Two dead in workplace violence. Gun involved."

Posted by: Raspail at September 26, 2014 01:18 PM (Xv7f/)

133 Think of what would happen if one of these highly motivated converts gets on a bus filled with doe-eyed children? Live streaming it just for good measure.

All facades of civility would be out the window at that point. Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (u2a4R)
As long as those children lived in a blue city, Moo Moo would be totes cool with it.

Posted by: Heralder at September 26, 2014 01:18 PM (/Mxso)

134 McAdams,
I'm afraid that you're right!

Posted by: Carol at September 26, 2014 01:18 PM (sj3Ax)

135 The guy wasn't religious at all.

Posted by: Chuck Todd at September 26, 2014 01:18 PM (wAQA5)

136
Ah yes, this "better" group, those who are only safe because of rough men willing to do violence on their behalf.



I don't mind telling you I'm a sinner. A fat out of shape but well armed sinner. And if needs be, I'll sin all over your ass. My Dad is the preacher, not me.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter




We want you on that wall! We need you on that wall.

Posted by: Lt. Weinberg at September 26, 2014 01:18 PM (l3vZN)

137 From the dead thread on this subject:

459 -- Sherry McEvil -- Even money says it was a Fox News feed.
Posted by: CPT. Charles at September 26, 2014 12:59 PM (lJaja)

Nope, it was a Tulsa reporter on location in Moore.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsetttes at September 26, 2014 01:19 PM (kXoT0)

138 Hagel, and General Dempsey press conference.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:19 PM (RJMhd)

139 Eric the Activist, who is still acting AG, is conspicuously silent?
Posted by: why????? at September 26, 2014 01:18 PM (zYgqi)


Massaging the Narrative. (Get Chuck Todd on line one!)

Posted by: filbert at September 26, 2014 01:19 PM (h6Mpm)

140 The tell when radical Lutherans are about to lose it is the sudden urge to bake a green bean casserole and mix 25 lbs. of potato salad.
Posted by: mrp
-------------------

For Presbyterians, serving Two Bean Salad rather than Three Bean Salad. It's a sure tip-off that something bad is going down.

Posted by: Erk Holer at September 26, 2014 01:19 PM (l1zOH)

141 Yea, something like that is inevitable. They'll go after a school and and it will be a bunch of innocent children on video being beheaded. The media will bend over backwards to say it's just a small subset of Islam, but the "guy on the street" will know it's PC bullshit.
You'll see Mosques in America being burned down.


No, you won't. And you can take that to the bank.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:19 PM (zF6Iw)

142 Hey, is this where we argue about politics and religion, or the goddam dick jokes?

Just the Punchline

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 26, 2014 01:19 PM (xq1UY)

143
ABC News:

Oklahoma Department of Corrections records show the suspect, whom The Associated Press is not naming because he has not been charged, has multiple religious tattoos, including one in Arabic that means "peace be with you."

So, irony.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:20 PM (JtwS4)

144
Hagel, and General Dempsey press conference.
....
Is Hagel drunk again?

Posted by: wth at September 26, 2014 01:21 PM (wAQA5)

145 Eric the Activist, who is still acting AG, is conspicuously silent?
Posted by: why?????
------------------------

Because I am not political...., and I don't want this to be treated in a political way. Unless...., hold it..., was the guy that shot him a white guy?

Posted by: Erk Holer at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (l1zOH)

146 Another indicator was that he went after women...

Women that according to Islam, should not be IN that workplace... and thus not taking HIS job...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (f0pWu)

147 48 -- wizardpc -- I like simple...

...simple is good.

PS -- Don't disrespect the 124 gr dosage stuff...

http://tinyurl.com/nkjlfz6

Posted by: CPT. Charles at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (lJaja)

148 Poor translation. It's "Submission be with you." That part may be true.
This is why we need more illegal alien translators in the military.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (xq1UY)

149 Wrong to blame all Muslims for the actions of a few.

But not wrong to blame all men, white people, Christians, conservatives, gun owners, etc., etc., etc......

Posted by: --- at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (MMC8r)

150 133 Posted by: Heralder at September 26, 2014 01:18 PM (/Mxso)

I'd be willfully indifferent to it I guess...

Take Boston(please take Boston some Socialist nation)....

I was willing to be enraged at the likely perps of the act but Boston wants to put Tflashbang in Tiger Beat and wanted to blame the Tea Party for it....

so I won't cheer for the blue model getting its just desserts but I am not gonna beat my chest in getting in the way of their enlightened actions.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (/4AZU)

151 Saad Mohammad, director of news and information for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, said leaders of the society's mosque in northwest Oklahoma City are on alert and taking security precautions to protect the Muslims who gather there from any violence that someone might try to attempt in retaliation for the Moore incident. He said the anti-Muslim sentiments people may have could be heightened due to the beheadings and violence being perpetrated by the Islamic extremist group ISIS overseas.


That's not how atonement works. At. All.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (JO9+V)

152 Of course we want to know why this happened. A beheading is what set's this apart from the 2 minute, guy got fired and started shooting story.

Posted by: duke at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (ChY2Q)

153 Fort Hood was not work place violence by any lie, it was mohammedism in action. This was likely work place violence with a dash of mohammedism. The result should be the same, gallows meet murderer.

Posted by: secret sock at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (WNERA)

154 144
Hagel, and General Dempsey press conference.
....
Is Hagel drunk again?
Posted by: wth at September 26, 2014 01:21 PM (wAQA5)

*************

Had a really hard time with the word "shifted" in an early part of his prepared statement.

I think it was in reference to Assad.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (RJMhd)

155 >>Saad Mohammad, director of news and information for the Islamic
Society of Greater Oklahoma City, said leaders of the society's mosque
in northwest Oklahoma City are on alert and taking security precautions
to protect the Muslims

This routine is getting so, so old: Muslim terror attack/foiled plot - Muslims hardest hit because of *potential* retaliation.


Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (D/504)

156 * I'm liking the state. The first person who starts singing the musical still gets punched in the dick.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (JtwS4)

It's the state song, bub. It is also the theme of a new commercial touting Oklahoma tourism with Toby Keith doing the voice over. http://tinyurl.com/owgwmcg

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsetttes at September 26, 2014 01:23 PM (kXoT0)

157 You'll see Mosques in America being burned down.


No, you won't. And you can take that to the bank.




You'll see that other "K" group crank up.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 01:23 PM (keT9Z)

158 For Presbyterians, serving Two Bean Salad rather than Three Bean Salad. It's a sure tip-off that something bad is going down.

I'm leery when I see shaved carrots in the jello.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2014 01:23 PM (sWgE+)

159 Why is the region of the world dominated by the Religion of Peace so damn violent?

Posted by: --- at September 26, 2014 01:23 PM (MMC8r)

160 NotCoach #114 -- I'd go a step further. The populace here HASN'T reciprocated in kind to the barbarism of Islam, so it seems almost a pre-emptive thumb in the eye, like they're implying people WOULD violently attack a mosque, when it didn't even happen with real regularity after 9/11

Not only will they not distance themselves from the murderers in their midst, but they play victim on top of it.

I agree with earlier posters. One of these monsters will overreach, killing schoolchildren or something, and the backlash will be hideously ugly -- and exactly what they asked for. When that tolerance is gone ... it won't be good for anyone.

Posted by: acethepug at September 26, 2014 01:23 PM (4dRdB)

161 141 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:19 PM (zF6Iw)

Obama would jail the 97.75% of America that is not Muslim before he'd tolerate the Muslims facing their music.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:23 PM (/4AZU)

162 Belgium, Denmark and Netherlands will participate.


Really does not say how.

Belgium is the seat of Euro NATO. IIRC

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:24 PM (RJMhd)

163 Eric the Activist, who is still acting AG, is conspicuously silent?
Posted by: why?????


Because we're all cowards.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 01:24 PM (7ObY1)

164 I'm old enough to remember the media freaking out over made-up accusations of racism at Tea Party rallies. It's just a question of who the media sees as the "real" threat to America.

Posted by: JohnJ at September 26, 2014 01:24 PM (TF/YA)

165 Have they decided to go ahead with firing him? Or have their lawyers advised them to wait a bit until things cool down?

Posted by: Janetoo at September 26, 2014 01:24 PM (L3Itw)

166 has multiple religious tattoos, including one in Arabic that means "peace be with you."



"peices of you be with you"

Common mis-translation.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (keT9Z)

167 This routine is getting so, so old: Muslim terror attack/foiled plot - Muslims hardest hit because of *potential* retaliation.




Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (D/504)


Well... there is the Heckler veto... and the Potential Victim Veto...

So... just shut up!

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (f0pWu)

168 Eric the Activist, who is still acting AG, is conspicuously silent?
Posted by: why?????


Because we're all cowards.

-
A nation of cowards. A few beheadings and we forget all about social justice.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (XUKZU)

169 The American Muslims are now on guarded alert to beware of possible icy glares and inaudible mumbling after this beheading incident.

Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (VndSC)

170 You'll see that other "K" group crank up.


KISS?

I


Wanna Rock N Roll All Night


And Behead You Ev-er-ry Day!

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (JO9+V)

171 A dollar says he was a pot smoker. It seems that is one thing all of the rampagers have in common from Columbine to Gabby Giffords.

One out of xxxxx users has a psychotic reaction to pot.

I have looked and looked and found pot smoking in common with all of them. Self medicating? Perhaps. Perhaps it is just recreational. Either way, pot use is something they all have in common (along with progressive liberal based ideologies being pursued and proselytized by a vast majority of them) triggers something else and makes it worse.

People that don't have one bit of their shit together trying to share their "wisdom" and keys to joyful living with the world.


Do other morons know someone that went off the deep end on pot?

Not that there is anything wrong with smoking pot for the vast majority of us, but it appears that it is not completely harmless to society at large. A thirty million dollar grant and room and board in Denver should be enough for me to study it further.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (6E2VN)

172 153 Posted by: secret sock at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (WNERA)

The underlying "trigger" for Ft Hood and this attack were the same...

Muslims facing reciprocity for their improper conversion efforts during the work day.

Ogabe had the gift that the victims in Ft Hood could be cowed into relative silence through order....

this attack not so much.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (/4AZU)

173 68 -- Lizzy -- Time for a solid investment...

http://tinyurl.com/kv2lyeh

Posted by: CPT. Charles at September 26, 2014 01:26 PM (lJaja)

174 Why is the region of the world dominated by the Religion of Peace so damn violent?
Posted by: ---
-------------------

My theory is that they eat too much goat cheese.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2014 01:26 PM (l1zOH)

175 No, you won't. And you can take that to the bank.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:19 PM (zF6Iw)


Yep. There won't be packs of armed rednecks hunting Muslims, won't be any mosques being burned, none of that shit, but hopefully there will be some people being a bit more alert...at least until the next season of Walking Dead starts.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:26 PM (6fyGz)

176 Dempsey addressing the ebola outbreak.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:26 PM (RJMhd)

177 One out of xxxxx users has a psychotic reaction to pot.
----------------------

According to Reefer Madness, xxxxx=1

Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (VndSC)

178 Radical Lutherans: during WWI, virtually all German Lutheran congregations began holding their services in English only, so as not to attract too much attention. Any church bulletin or newspaper published in a foreign language had to submit a copy in advance before it could be "entered as Second Class matter."

Very few German-language services returned after the Wilson Terror ended.
And nobody can say that German Lutherans in America weren't arrogant and superior. Muslims, take note. The President really looks up to Wilson.

You could at least do the courtesy of issuing fatwas in English.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (xq1UY)

179 Gruesome to ponder, but I've beheaded animals before in the act of dressing them out. Not as hard as you would think.

Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (ptcFO)

180 Hey, it's only a tiny minority of Moslems and their converts!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (d/dDK)

181 No, you won't. And you can take that to the bank.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

I disagree, I think there's a breaking point where you could easily see a backlash that would be uncontrollable.

Posted by: McAdams at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (cfpiy)

182 You have to be kidding about the statement from the OK mosque!

Really?

Posted by: PJ at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (cHuNI)

183 The great Don Surber reminds us the FBI recently issued regulations prohibiting agents from gathering info in mosques and using religion as a filter in investigations. These revived regs originally authored by the Mistress of Disaster, Jamie Gorelic.

http://bit.ly/1yubO1c

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (6um35)

184 162 Belgium, Denmark and Netherlands will participate.


Really does not say how.

Belgium is the seat of Euro NATO. IIRC



Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:24 PM (RJMhd)


funny how, even with Bambi in office, the world looks to US leadership...

Hey? US is sending Planes??? so will we!!!

Until the US commits a LARGE Ground Unit.... ie divisional strength... most others will not commit ground troops. (note, Australia is the outlier... they don't give a shit about US leadership... Kudos to them!)

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (f0pWu)

185 Maybe Saad Mohommed, who is so scared of retaliation, would like to comment of the destruction of Christian churches and genocide of Christians all over the ME as well as a few places in Africa.

I mean, if one lone, crazy Muslim could inspire an attack on his mosque in OK, what does he think his religion's brutal SOP in other countries could inspire (not that it has).

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (D/504)

186 he could just be a loser, which would be a load off my mind. that way we only have to worry about muslims that are losers.

Posted by: X at September 26, 2014 01:28 PM (KHo8t)

187 166 has multiple religious tattoos, including one in Arabic that means "peace be with you." "peices of you be with you" Common mis-translation.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (keT9Z)

The MSM will now say that he is not truly moslem since
tattos are "haram" in islam.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2014 01:28 PM (sWgE+)

188 I wouldn't expect the MSM and Democrats (sorry for repeating myself) to focus on this at all. Remember that just recently, a black Muslim American was arrested for murdered several people. Gay people. Gay people he targeted as revenge for American's involvement in Iraq.

Not a whiff of indignation or calls of homophobic bigotry. Not like there was when Matthew Shepard was murdered.

Oh by the way: turns out there is at least one journalist left in America. He did his job and proved Shepard was killed over a drug deal, not because of homophobia.

Posted by: MacGruber at September 26, 2014 01:28 PM (kQBSd)

189 Do other morons know someone that went off the deep end on pot?



Not that there is anything wrong with smoking pot for the vast
majority of us, but it appears that it is not completely harmless to
society at large. A thirty million dollar grant and room and board in
Denver should be enough for me to study it further.



Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 01:25 PM (6E2VN)




Saw one that attacked, like, the ENTIRE chip aisle at the grocery store...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:29 PM (6fyGz)

190 133 Think of what would happen if one of these highly motivated converts gets on a bus filled with doe-eyed children? Live streaming it just for good measure.

All facades of civility would be out the window at that point. Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2014 01:09 PM (u2a4R)


------

With all due respect, you're wrong.

2900 Americans were roasted alive, smashed, crushed, atomized, forced to leap, etc., by Muslim fanatics on 9/11.

Three days later our "cowboy" President was praying next to an Imam in the National Cathedral doing his damndest to put as much distance between Islam (i.e., Saudi Arabia) and what we had all just seen Islam do.

After your scenario, the same thing would happen. Islam would be exonerated formerly and firmly. Equivalencies would be made by media talkers between beheaded children and the dead children of Sandy Hook and Mosul. And the video of the little "doe-eyed children" being beheaded would be flushed down the videomemory hole the same way the video of the 9-11 jumpers has been and for exactly the same reason. So the elites can keep the cork in the bottle.

Posted by: Raspail at September 26, 2014 01:29 PM (Xv7f/)

191 181 No, you won't. And you can take that to the bank.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

I disagree, I think there's a breaking point where you could easily see a backlash that would be uncontrollable.


Posted by: McAdams at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (cfpiy)


Yup.... the US is due for a temper tantrum... pressure has been building for a generation... and its going to get UGLY.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:29 PM (f0pWu)

192 187 Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2014 01:28 PM (sWgE+)

Black Islam is a funny beast....

they eat pork when inclined....and are not considered Muslim by real Muslims unless they are useful in hurting Infidels.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:29 PM (/4AZU)

193 funny how, even with Bambi in office, the world looks to US leadership...

Hey? US is sending Planes??? so will we!!!

Until the US commits a LARGE Ground Unit.... ie divisional strength... most others will not commit ground troops. (note, Australia is the outlier... they don't give a shit about US leadership... Kudos to them!)
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (f0pWu)

*************

Ya, the Aussies are great.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:29 PM (RJMhd)

194 "That's Not How Atonement Works. At. All."

This



Posted by: LadyS at September 26, 2014 01:30 PM (5dip8)

195 171

I bet they all had tried caffeine, too. In fact, I bet you a dollar that this Nolen had caffeine in the last week.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at September 26, 2014 01:30 PM (GmTxn)

196 I only recall ever hearing about ONE beheading here in Western New York. IIRC, the media tried hard not to mention it, but yeah, it was some sort of Muslim honor killing (the victim was the guy's wife). It's been awhile, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but I think the guy was in the process of starting some sort of new media enterprise intended to improve the image of the Muslim community. Sometimes it would really be a good thing if you take your work home with you, I guess.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 26, 2014 01:31 PM (/q6+P)

197 OT: Brilliant idea from the Washington Post:

Here is one bit of unsolicited advice for the NFL: Hire Eric H. Holder Jr. and put him in charge of all off-field player discipline.

Do it as soon as possible.

And hope that it helps to restore the public's trust and confidence in the sport's ability to deal with players' off-field misbehavior.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 26, 2014 01:31 PM (XUKZU)

198 I agree with earlier posters. One of these monsters will overreach, killing schoolchildren or something, and the backlash will be hideously ugly -- and exactly what they asked for. When that tolerance is gone ... it won't be good for anyone.

Posted by: acethepug at September 26, 2014 01:23 PM (4dRdB)


No.

OK, let's imagine the scene you postulate happens - Jimmy Jihad slaughters a bus full of children, all of it uploaded to You Tube. What happens next?

- the local mosque armors up and whines about a non-existent backlash;
- the police do 24 / 7 patrols on the mosque property to protect it;
- a "healing vigil" is held downtown, with candles and pictures of the children. Speeches are made about the peaceful nature of "true" Islam by ministers and rabbis, but, oddly, the local imam isn't present;
- any parents ready to lynch the local Mahomets are either talked out of it by "sensible" companions or, because the police are keeping them under watch, are resigned to letting the justice system "work."
- local politicians and TV heads fall all over themselves to psychologically beat down the parents of the children with the "Islam is peace" nonsense, so that the parents who want revenge will feel isolated and impotent.

. . .and Johnny Jihad gets his halal meals in prison and is a hero to the inmates.

If 9/11 didn't make Americans raze every damned mosque in this country to the ground, there is nothing that ever will.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:31 PM (zF6Iw)

199
You have to be kidding about the statement from the OK mosque!

Really?


http://bit.ly/1roOSu3

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:31 PM (JtwS4)

200 In Muslim countries, Christian communities are incinerated and Christians are murdered simply on account of a rumor or hope for a fire sale.

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2014 01:33 PM (JBggj)

201 I'm late to the thread so someone has probably mentioned this but there are two issues here. One is that the guy had just been fired, drove off and then turned back to the plant in a rage. That's the main trigger. The beheading part is strictly Islam though and thank you I will tell you why:
My experience working with Muslims is that ultimately Kafirs are subhuman in that Islam is the Master Religion and its' practitioners are a Master Race. As subhuman it is OK to cheat them, steal from them and kill them. This is strict Koran talk now. When a Muslim works for the Kafir here in the land of war he has to pretend to be subservient to the infidel which eats at the true believer. Just burns them up. You would be surprised at how many Muslims get along fine with coworkers of other religions but have a business card that says "SoA"--"Soldier of Allah" on it somewhere. Really, it is quite common. It actually means something.
According to my theory this guy was fed up being treated badly by the kafir and when actually fired went all jihadi on everyone.
I stand by my theory.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 26, 2014 01:33 PM (bykzK)

202 Male co-worker's cut throat methods brings an end to aspiring female's career while damaging another who exposed his aims in the same action.

A company representative, a known NRA proponent with TEA party ties, involved in termination.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 26, 2014 01:33 PM (KK+mC)

203 I had caffeine this week, omg. Had I only known!!!

Posted by: Bob from table9 at September 26, 2014 01:33 PM (WNERA)

204 One out of xxxxx users has a psychotic reaction to pot.
----------------------

According to Reefer Madness, xxxxx=1
Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2014 01:27 PM (VndSC)

True. Propaganda is powerful. Always has been. A lie travels the world before the truth gets out of bed. The Obama administration relies on that adage daily. And they depend on no one recognizing it.

MJ isn't 100% harmless to the general public. 99.something% or so. It is just a theory I would like to study. In Denver. For a year or two. And then retire.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 01:33 PM (6E2VN)

205 Posted by: Raspail at September 26, 2014 01:29 PM (Xv7f/)


I really don't know... people damped their anger after 9/11... trusting our 'leaders' judgment...

And nothing has been changed... they are not fixing the problem because the American people see the 'leaders' misdiagnosed the problem.

The anger has been simmering for years... about a LOT of issues...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:33 PM (f0pWu)

206 I should say "in some" Muslim countries.

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2014 01:34 PM (JBggj)

207 I was willing to be enraged at the likely perps of the act but Boston wants to put Tflashbang in Tiger Beat and wanted to blame the Tea Party for it....
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:22 PM (/4AZU)


See, I have a hard time viewing large populations of people as a single monolithic entity becausea majority of them votes for a different political party, but that's just me. The murder of innocent civilians bothers me. Their voting record does not factor in to it.

Posted by: Heralder at September 26, 2014 01:34 PM (/Mxso)

208 This gets stupid.

CNN questioner practically wants to expose how we do specific targeting.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:35 PM (RJMhd)

209 >>>2900 Americans were roasted alive, smashed, crushed, atomized, forced to leap, etc., by Muslim fanatics on 9/11.

Three days later our "cowboy" President was praying next to an Imam in the National Cathedral doing his damndest to put as much distance between Islam (i.e., Saudi Arabia) and what we had all just seen Islam do.

After your scenario, the same thing would happen. Islam would be exonerated formerly and firmly. Equivalencies would be made by media talkers between beheaded children and the dead children of Sandy Hook and Mosul. And the video of the little "doe-eyed children" being beheaded would be flushed down the videomemory hole the same way the video of the 9-11 jumpers has been and for exactly the same reason. So the elites can keep the cork in the bottle.

...

please tell me you're not saying that you're in favor of randomly killing muslims.

Is that the sort of uprising you're hinting at?

You want to do that? REALLY?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:35 PM (/FnUH)

210 Vlad Tepes had an answer to beheadings.

Posted by: Kristophr at September 26, 2014 01:36 PM (0zVEV)

211 207

Yeah. I also wasn't aware that Rolling Stone held a Boston-only vote to decide whether to put Tsarnev on the cover.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at September 26, 2014 01:36 PM (GmTxn)

212 Does this mean we can get some background check requirements for all Muslims in the US?

Seeing as how they're proving to be lethal weapons?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 26, 2014 01:36 PM (KK+mC)

213
Also from NewsOK:

Moore police said the knife used by Nolen in the attack was a knife that was routinely kept around the food processing plant. The weapon would typically be used on the production to cut lettuce, vegetables and other foods.

This suggests a lack of planning, hence a lack of pre-meditation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:36 PM (JtwS4)

214 please tell me you're not saying that you're in favor of randomly killing muslims.



Is that the sort of uprising you're hinting at?



You want to do that? REALLY?





Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:35 PM (/FnUH)


That's not what he's saying at all, ace.

Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 01:37 PM (GQ8sn)

215 There was that guy in NYC that beheaded himself by chaining his neck to something and driving away at speed. Creative types are often nihilists, but I don't want to stereotype. I guess he could have been Muslim.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 26, 2014 01:37 PM (+lsX1)

216 MPPP, I think a tipping point IS coming. There is a lot of unrest, our current so-called President is, if not a Muslim outright, certainly more concerned with them than with his fellow countrymen.

Whatever faults GW Bush had, and there were many, he didn't treat said countrymen with the disdain Obama does. And we DID go to war over 9/11, even if we maybe didn't break enough stuff and were foolish enough to "nation-build," but I think the overall attitude of the country is different. Obama is a failure by any measurable metric, and he clearly has NOT kept the US safe the same way GW Bush did after 9/11.

Even if I am wrong, leave me to my illusions. Let me think there are people who care. I HAVE to believe there are.

That being said, I do worry, very much, that you are right. That the media stranglehold, the hands-out-for-freebies FSA, and the professional grievance-mongers like Obama and Holder will win the day.

But I HAVE to hope.

Posted by: acethepug at September 26, 2014 01:37 PM (4dRdB)

217 Here's my speculation on the matter:

The guy already had a violent record.

I'm betting he probably had an issue with "women", especially those who might have some authority over him. He had previously assaulted a female trooper who was trying to arrest him. I suspect that the woman he beheaded had some role in his firing; perhaps she was his supervisor.

He flies into a predictable rage while being fired (based on his violent history). Goes after the female.

He's a recent convert to Islam. Probably of the radical/woman-are-inferior variety. He's aware of the call to behead infidels made by ISIS. That's where the beheading ON TOP OF the killing comes from.

It all adds up.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 26, 2014 01:37 PM (wtvvX)

218 - any parents ready to lynch the local Mahomets
are either talked out of it by "sensible" companions or, because the police are keeping them under watch, are resigned to letting the justice system "work."



Gonna take a lot of cops to watch every brother, cousin, and uncle of the parents.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 01:38 PM (mQXmP)

219 Ace: Not random killings.

But the Enlightenment was imposed on Christianity by secular leaders who had had a bellyful of witch-burnings.

Someone has to slap these idiots into civilized conduct. And every Islamic who thinks conversion by the sword is a good idea needs immediate correction.

Posted by: Kristophr at September 26, 2014 01:38 PM (0zVEV)

220 ....

So, tell me more, Obama, about how Muslims have contributed to the very fabric of our nation.

Jesus, everything feels so pointless. Another day, another beheading, and we're just going to go on and on with accomodating the murderous death cult that does this.

How many more people have to die and suffer before we confront the goddamned death cult?

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at September 26, 2014 01:38 PM (HsKky)

221 If 9/11 didn't make Americans raze every damned mosque in this country to the ground, there is nothing that ever will.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:31 PM (zF6Iw)



Move along citizen, nothing to see here.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:38 PM (6fyGz)

222 You want to do that? REALLY?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:35 PM (/FnUH)

________________________________

Nope 'mericans just don't do that.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at September 26, 2014 01:38 PM (WNERA)

223 Forget the author of this gem but it went something like this:

"Imam Mohammad condemned the bigotry and violence that local Muslims will be made to suffer in retaliation for tomorrow's bombing and beheadings."

Posted by: Raspail at September 26, 2014 01:39 PM (Xv7f/)

224 I think with 9/11, it was almost a sense of shock and the average American really had not seen the horrors of radical Islam.

Our big "enemy" for the last half century had been Communism. This was something we really did not understand and hadn't seen in our face like Israel had.

I know this, if the US had a Palestinian problem like Israel did with say a neighboring country that liked to shoot rockets at us and routinely use suicide bombers on civilian targets, we would have wiped them off the face of the Earth a long time ago, no matter what the Elites tried to tell us.

One day Islam is going to go past the point of no return and no finger wagging is going to stop the blow back.


Posted by: McAdams at September 26, 2014 01:40 PM (cfpiy)

225 You know, I've thought his over and I am most certainly an Islamophobe. The tough question is do I hate them more than their fucking enablers, the leftards. Tough call.

Posted by: maddogg at September 26, 2014 01:41 PM (xWW96)

226 "you are not just viewing this as a murder, but possibly a murder linked to something bigger, something ideological.

That is all about motive."

same goes for a lot of the rampage killings. I may be biased, but I only see leftist ideologies and drug abuse. For the media and Blabbertooth Schultz to immediately shout "Tea Party" is beyond ridiculous when those are the main things they have in common.

Unsound philosophies that erode self esteem and drug use that can provide a placebo replacement for their egos. Time bombs.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 01:41 PM (6E2VN)

227 I did not want to be right about this.

These are not idle questions and they're not asked without reason.


They are the most important questions and thus will be totally ignored by the MSM because the answers may force them to reevaluate their world view and that's not happening.


This is the perfect storm of media frenzy. A Muslim convert who is being fired kills a female co-worker via beheading and is stopped before further horrors by an individual with a gun.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 26, 2014 01:41 PM (mf5HN)

228 please tell me you're not saying that you're in favor of randomly killing muslims.

Is that the sort of uprising you're hinting at?

You want to do that? REALLY?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:35 PM (/FnUH)

That's not at all what he said. He's saying that if 9-11 didn't cause actual violent backlash against mohammedans in the US, a mohammedan terrorist taking out a busload of "doe-eyed children" isn't going to do it either.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 01:41 PM (DrWcr)

229 How many more people have to die and suffer before we confront the goddamned death cult?

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at September 26, 2014 01:38 PM (HsKky)

Every last one of us, if the Left has its way.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 26, 2014 01:41 PM (rXB/r)

230
From NewsOK:

On Facebook, a woman believed to be the suspect's sister wrote: "He is alive and doing well. Thanks to all praying warriors out there friends and family. To god be the glory! My bro is alive and just know that the devil is a lie. Please continue prayers."

So, contrition.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:41 PM (JtwS4)

231 please tell me you're not saying that you're in favor of randomly killing muslims.



Is that the sort of uprising you're hinting at?



You want to do that? REALLY?





Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:35 PM (/FnUH)



No ace, what he's saying is that it's NEVER going to happen, that there will never be any reaction to Sudden Jihad Syndrome because we have been conditioned to be passive.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 01:42 PM (6fyGz)

232 One day Islam is going to go past the point of no return and no finger wagging is going to stop the blow back.

--

They've religiously cleansed almost every Christian from the middle east, the birthplace of Christianity.

We don't have much in the way of red lines.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 01:42 PM (ZPrif)

233 Ace - But "signatures" (in ritualistic murders) aren't needed to do the crime. They are done because they are important to the killer for emotional, ritual purposes.

You sure seem to know a lot about this stuff (gulp).

Posted by: duke at September 26, 2014 01:42 PM (ChY2Q)

234 That being said, I do worry, very much, that you are right. That the media stranglehold, the hands-out-for-freebies FSA, and the professional grievance-mongers like Obama and Holder will win the day.

But I HAVE to hope.


Posted by: acethepug at September 26, 2014 01:37 PM (4dRdB)


Trust for both the Government, and Media, is at an all time low.

We have too much access to information for the lies and collusion to continue much longer.

I know some here will Poo Poo this... but one thing that gives me HOPE is #GamersGate...

Where the Media is being taken to task for their lack of Journalistic integrity. Where they are being called OUT on their actions.

Where Agenda driven 'reporting' started a Preference Cascade AGAINST such behavior...

Now... if it would only SPREAD.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:42 PM (f0pWu)

235 230
From NewsOK:

On Facebook, a woman believed to be the suspect's sister wrote: "He is alive and doing well. Thanks to all praying warriors out there friends and family. To god be the glory! My bro is alive and just know that the devil is a lie. Please continue prayers."

So, contrition.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:41 PM (JtwS4)

F*ck me running.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 01:43 PM (DrWcr)

236 207 Heralder,

It's not a matter of me writing them off monolithically. Sincerely Boston, New York City get on their holier than thou "you can't possibly understand because you don't live here" that I'm silent.

It's not that I cheer for the mayhem I am wisening up to the fact that I am from a differnt culture, my sympathy is unasked for and those towns have more emotion vested in electing people who want to define my political views as "the real terrolrism."

I've had just about enough of their PC lunacy and am to the point I'll just let nature run its course....

If you don't want bit by asps don't suckle them to your bosom.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:43 PM (//7DD)

237 "please tell me you're not saying that you're in favor of randomly killing muslims.

Is that the sort of uprising you're hinting at?

You want to do that? REALLY? "


----

Heavens, no. If I gave that impression, my fail.

Rather, I was responding to the previous suggestions that there is some atrocity Islamists could commit that would result in a response like that. I don't there is such an atrocity. That was my point.

Posted by: Raspail at September 26, 2014 01:43 PM (Xv7f/)

238 Yes that's rght, it's all Jew lies. Now put your burka back on.

Posted by: Mohammad at September 26, 2014 01:44 PM (HstNY)

239 'This is the perfect storm of media frenzy. A Muslim convert who is
being fired kills a female co-worker via beheading and is stopped before
further horrors by an individual with a gun."

AtC: not just any individual. The hero is a white, male, ex-CEO, off-duty sheriff's deputy.

You could not possibly pack any more kryptonite into that package for the MSM...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 26, 2014 01:44 PM (wtvvX)

240 On Facebook, a woman believed to be the suspect's sister wrote: "He is alive and doing well. Thanks to all praying warriors out there friends and family. To god be the glory! My bro is alive and just know that the devil is a lie. Please continue prayers."


The. Fuck.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 01:45 PM (7ObY1)

241
That whore's bro is gonna be alive right up until they put his worthless ass to sleep like a stray mongrel dog.

Posted by: maddogg at September 26, 2014 01:45 PM (xWW96)

242 "This suggests a lack of planning, hence a lack of pre-meditation."
=======
And that's based on .... what?

He could have just as easily nicked the knife on day 1 of his employment and then kept it in his vehicle.

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2014 01:45 PM (JBggj)

243 Thanks, Romeo13 -- that DOES make me feel better. Because someone DID tell the Left to cram it with walnuts, and did so without apologies.

Thank you

Posted by: acethepug at September 26, 2014 01:45 PM (4dRdB)

244 I guess Obama will be calling in OSHA to make sure there is no retaliation.

And yes. I know it makes no sense. Like most other things he does.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 26, 2014 01:46 PM (ULVFb)

245 Unless he planned to use a knife that he knew would be there since he worked there and knew where the knives were.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 01:46 PM (ZPrif)

246 * ponders the distinction between Charlie Manson and Mohammed *

* gives up *

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2014 01:46 PM (l1zOH)

247 * ponders the distinction between Charlie Manson and Mohammed *

* gives up *

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2014 01:46 PM (l1zOH)

248 >>>Rather, I was responding to the previous suggestions that there is some atrocity Islamists could commit that would result in a response like that. I don't there is such an atrocity. That was my point.

ah okay. actually, I shouldn't even have addressed you; the posts you were replying to were more suggestive of that.

Sorry for addressing you and lodging an accusation.

as to the actual hot-heads:

Please take a look in the mirror and decide how comfortable you are with being the guy who is proposing jihad, American-style.

i understand anger and all that. I do.

But come on. For God's sakes, does this have to be a feature on every thread about Islam?

Has the "you know, we should just kill them all" idea not been adequately expressed enough times?

yeah we get it. It's a dark fantasy and a common one.

But every thread on this topic?


Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:47 PM (/FnUH)

249 The only way I could see any sort of backlash - and even then it would be half-hearted - would be if the victims were those whose Leftist and elitist credentials the MFM couldn't ignore: a Clinton, a Chris Matthews, a Bloomberg. Then you might see mosques put under severe surveillance and travel controls effected, but so long as victims are the Unpeople of Jesusland - in other words, us - there will never be retaliation.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:47 PM (zF6Iw)

250 * ponders the distinction between Charlie Manson and Mohammed *

* gives up *
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2014 01:46 PM (l1zOH)


----

Organizational Skillset.....?????

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2014 01:47 PM (NaV4z)

251 225 You know, I've thought his over and I am most certainly an Islamophobe. The tough question is do I hate them more than their fucking enablers, the leftards. Tough call.

Posted by: maddogg at September 26, 2014 01:41 PM (xWW96)


Nope.... a Phobia is an IRRATIONAL Fear...

a Rational Fear is not a Phobia... its a survival trait.

I have a very Rational Fear of Islam... seeing as to how EVERY time I've been shot at in my life, its been by a Moslem.

EVERY dead body I have had to deal with... was killed by a Moslem.

EVERY Military friend I lost.... was killed by a Moslem.

The TSA searches me in Airports.... because of Acts Moslems did.

Fear, learned from Experience, is not a Phobia...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:48 PM (f0pWu)

252 This suggests a lack of planning, hence a lack of pre-meditation.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:36 PM (JtwS4)

Not so. Premeditation can take place very quickly.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 01:48 PM (DrWcr)

253 That Facebook quote has a ring of fakeness. Just a ring, though.

Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2014 01:48 PM (hHFOx)

254 39 What the fuck is wrong with me? I've been fired and I never killed anyone except a 6 pack and bottle of booze and perhaps a joint.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, kinder, gentler machine gun hand at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (vPh3W)


Piker!

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at September 26, 2014 01:48 PM (znT2j)

255 I don't care whether this POS's actions were or were not premeditated.

His actions show a predisposition to violence, misogyny, and religious-based terror.

He should be summarily shot, covered in pig fat, and burned.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 26, 2014 01:48 PM (wtvvX)

256 ISIS wouldn't behead people if they didn't control vast swaths of land. ISIS wouldn't behead people if someone else didn't kidnap them. ISIS threatens to behead more if we don't stop bombing them. Is it islam or politics or evil that makes them do this?

Posted by: Baldy at September 26, 2014 01:48 PM (2bql3)

257 231 GGE,

Correct I don't advocate random death on Islam and the west will NEVER retaliate nor will the attacks ever stop b/c the western instinct is to demonize those who would "hurt poor innocent Muslims" more than the Ihadis they hide....

The perp's sister and his Mosque's response show this....they are exuting in what he did.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:48 PM (//7DD)

258 196 I only recall ever hearing about ONE beheading here in Western New York. IIRC, the media tried hard not to mention it, but yeah, it was some sort of Muslim honor killing (the victim was the guy's wife).


That guy was from Lackawanna, or very near to Lackawanna.

Home of the Lackawanna 6 terror cell that was busted up post-9/11.

Lackawanna, our own Mini-Dearbornistan here in WNY.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 01:49 PM (7ObY1)

259 Moore police said the knife used by Nolen in the attack was a knife that was routinely kept around the food processing plant. The weapon would typically be used on the production to cut lettuce, vegetables and other foods.



I don't always behead kafirs, but when I do I choose J.A. Henckles.

Stay jihadi, my friends.

Posted by: Alton Nolen at September 26, 2014 01:49 PM (JO9+V)

260
Well ... I'll say it. I know I'm not the only one thinking it.

If the Muslim bastard killed my wife or child, I'd pay him back in kind, burn his damned mosque to the ground, and go through anything in my way or die trying.

That response is all they understand, all they fear, and thus all they respect. Everything else is, get this, just empty words to them.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (wUy8S)

261 incidentally, I'm on twitter attacking the media for embargoing stories like this, on the assumption that if they report them, angry white guys will go all jihad on Muslims.

It's very hard to make this argument when I see people in my own threads getting all hot-headed and suggesting just that.

So are they right about us, or wrong?

Think about it, or think about what you'd like the answer to be.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (/FnUH)

262 I do advocate a ban on immigration from majority muslim countries. It's not like we have a burning need for millions of more muslims.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (ZPrif)

263 Premeditation can take place as quickly as the time for him to decide "I'm going to kill those kafir whores."

Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (DrWcr)

264 Fear, learned from Experience, is not a Phobia...
Posted by: Romeo
-------------------

Similarly, 'bias' is not 'prejudice'. Bias is a consequence of experience.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (l1zOH)

265 yeah we get it. It's a dark fantasy and a common one.

But every thread on this topic?


Posted by: ace

considering the topic is a group whose mantra is convert or die, it will come up.

Posted by: X at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (KHo8t)

266 158 For Presbyterians, serving Two Bean Salad rather than Three Bean Salad. It's a sure tip-off that something bad is going down. 

I'm leery when I see shaved carrots in the jello.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2014 01:23 PM (sWgE+

Rain and carrot salad is weird too.

Posted by: Killerdog at September 26, 2014 01:51 PM (PHpUf)

267 Rain and carrot salad?

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (7ObY1)

268 * ponders the distinction between Charlie Manson and Mohammed *

___
My dollies know the difference!

Posted by: Aysha at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (78TbK)

269 >>>considering the topic is a group whose mantra is convert or die, it will come up.

right, no one's arguing about not fighting the jihadists.

but what is being proposed is random killing of musilms, innocent or not!

Jesus!

Look, frankly, from what I see here, the media is right to embargo these stories. if this is the reaction they will engender -- then they're right to hide the truth from us.

Aren't they?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (/FnUH)

270 "261
incidentally, I'm on twitter attacking the media for embargoing stories
like this, on the assumption that if they report them, angry white guys
will go all jihad on Muslims."

What? WHO are you saying is making that assumption? You? or the MSM?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (wtvvX)

271 Rain and carrot

Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (hHFOx)

272 The tell when radical Lutherans are about to lose it is the sudden urge
to bake a green bean casserole and mix 25 lbs. of potato salad.


Have you all forgotten about the Great Lutheran/Presbyterian Lutefisk wars? Iowahawk documented them in some detail.

I must say, if we forget history, we are doomed to repeat it!

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (PMGbu)

273 It's very hard to make this argument when I see people in my own threads getting all hot-headed and suggesting just that.

***************

Can you specify who is doing that?

I've been monitoring the thread --granted--i'm also watching an extremely interesting press conference with Hagel and Dempsey.

Dempsey is particularly interesting.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (RJMhd)

274 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (/FnUH)

How many times has this actually happened? Aside from a couple of idiots who beat up a Sikh, not getting the irony, I can't think of any.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (DrWcr)

275 Has anyone actually said "kill em all"?

Posted by: Eric Holder at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (YaTC9)

276 Rain salad is like Chinese food. I'm always still hungry after I eat it.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (7ObY1)

277 Look, frankly, from what I see here, the media is right to embargo these stories. if this is the reaction they will engender -- then they're right to hide the truth from us.


----

On that note..... Im out.

Ya'all have a GREAT weekend.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (NaV4z)

278 261 incidentally, I'm on twitter attacking the media for embargoing stories like this, on the assumption that if they report them, angry white guys will go all jihad on Muslims.

It's very hard to make this argument when I see people in my own threads getting all hot-headed and suggesting just that.

So are they right about us, or wrong?

Think about it, or think about what you'd like the answer to be.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (/FnUH)

My last post. Why don't you just be quiet for a while? You are starting to sound ridiculous.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (5+mPY)

279 Is it islam or politics or evil that makes them do this?
Posted by: Baldy at September 26, 2014 01:48 PM (2bql3)



Yes.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (mf5HN)

280 275 Has anyone actually said "kill em all"?


Why yes. Yes we did.

Posted by: Metallica at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (7ObY1)

281
Look, frankly, from what I see here, the media is right to embargo these stories. if this is the reaction they will engender -- then they're right to hide the truth from us.

Aren't they?



Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (/FnUH)


Sure.... as soon as Talk becomes ACTION.

But I don't see the violent Backlash.... anywhere... actually being done.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (f0pWu)

282 incidentally, I'm on twitter attacking the media for embargoing stories
like this, on the assumption that if they report them, angry white guys
will go all jihad on Muslims.

==========
Dang it, ace, you're supposed to include your twitter address, or whatever tweeters call it, when posting a comment like that. Sell! Sell like the wind!

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (JBggj)

283 but what is being proposed is random killing of musilms, innocent or not!

****************

Jesus Christ.

Call them out specifically and then ban them.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:54 PM (RJMhd)

284 Having eaten it, raisins and carrots in the jello.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 26, 2014 01:54 PM (JO9+V)

285 Look, frankly, from what I see here, the media is right to embargo these stories. if this is the reaction they will engender -- then they're right to hide the truth from us.
Aren't they?
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (/FnUH)


Yeah, I'm out on that note, too.

See you all on Monday.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (zF6Iw)

286 278 - Uh, oh...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (l1zOH)

287 Look, frankly, from what I see here, the media is right to embargo these stories
***
The media isn't embargoing these sorts of stories because they are really concerned about what JimBob Bill McRedneck is going to do.

They do it so Obama and co can go out and say Christians are the real enemy because of McVeigh*

*Who for the record wasn't a christian and has been dead about as long as global temperature increases...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (78TbK)

288 "AtC: not just any individual. The hero is a white, male, ex-CEO, off-duty sheriff's deputy.

You could not possibly pack any more kryptonite into that package for the MSM... "

----

Sure you can. He could also be the local GOP chairman. And fat. And a smoker. And a churchgoer. With a large pick up truck. And happily married to the same woman for thirty years.

Posted by: Raspail at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (Xv7f/)

289 Posted by: Metallica at September 26, 2014 01:53 PM (7ObY1)

LOL

Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (hHFOx)

290 ISIS is here.

Posted by: torabora at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (dgHAU)

291 >>>Sure.... as soon as Talk becomes ACTION.


so some are just TALKING about it, eh? and it's not ACTION, yet?

you know when we criticize muslims for TALKING up jihad, encouraging murder?

What's different here?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (/FnUH)

292 Ace, no one here has specifically called out for sudden anti-jihad syndrome to start happening!


Please stop that.


Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (GQ8sn)

293 Terrible story about the mosque bemoaning the anticipated backlash. And that's all.

Also terrible: the killer's sister. I guess the whole family converted to the cult. I would check her record too.

The only rational person in the whole story was the CEO who had the sense to have a gun at work where he hired violent ex-cons who recently converted to Islam.

I do think, Ace, that a PR campaign of some sort would be in order to attack the ideology of the radical, killing variety of Islam. You seem to understand the psychology of it; what would such a campaign look like?

Posted by: PJ at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (cHuNI)

294 "Hands Up - Don't Cut My Head Off"

Posted by: SavEcig at September 26, 2014 01:56 PM (zWaPh)

295 248 Ace,

Correct...

Let's not overreact....Islamic workplace vioence is a fine cornerstone of a beautiful and diverse religious culture....

Kind of like Easter Eggs....

Don't angry, be hoppy....

So the media will hide THIS and hyper-venilate over a Onfederate flag at a tea party rally....

Butch up.....as was pointed out here last nigh nobody cares about the bias...

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:56 PM (//7DD)

296 "Sure you can. He could also be the local GOP chairman. And fat. And a
smoker. And a churchgoer. With a large pick up truck. And happily
married to the same woman for thirty years."

I bet he probably is!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 26, 2014 01:56 PM (wtvvX)

297 Coexistence with radical muslims doesn't seem possible. They carve out an ever-growing region of the planet where Christians, Jews, atheists and all non-muslims are banned. At the same time, they invade the West in ever-growing numbers, using the political system of the West to ban criticism of Islam and openly advocate murder of non-Muslims. All while repeatedly launching terror attack against us.

Meanwhile we can't even draw a cartoon of Muhammad without fear of losing our jobs or even lives.

It's incredibly frustrating. The West seems to only ever retreat in the face of Islam.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 01:56 PM (ZPrif)

298 "One day Islam is going to go past the point of no return and no finger wagging is going to stop the blow back."

I'm not sure how many of us fit that prediction anymore. Between 1945 and 1975ish Old Europe turned into the EU. We've been about 10-20 years behind that arc. If the Republic of Texas was hit, game on, but the coastal Eloi change the equation for the US in general.

Not that anyone "wants" to see it, but it would have been interesting to see what Boston's response would have been to a larger attack by an Al Qaeda style group rather than the lone gunmen Tsarnaevs. The Mass working class is more ready to rumble than the Brahmins. If NYC was hit again, same dynamic. Here in CA, we'd be too sensitive and too cool to get all Neanderthal on them - candlelight vigils and Muslim outreach is all you'd see.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 26, 2014 01:56 PM (QKIQb)

299 incidentally, I'm on twitter attacking the media for embargoing stories like this, on the assumption that if they report them, angry white guys will go all jihad on Muslims.

It's very hard to make this argument when I see people in my own threads getting all hot-headed and suggesting just that.

So are they right about us, or wrong?




At some point, it won't matter. Fear, or self-preservation, or whatever will kick in & the "elites" won't have a say in the matter.

Ask the media why no news black out after a mass shooting? The anti-gunner left comes out and people say they like us to give up our guns or WE should be murdered.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 01:57 PM (keT9Z)

300 Please stop that.


Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 01:55 PM (GQ8sn)

*************

I've made two concerted efforts to find it.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:57 PM (RJMhd)

301 >>>Has anyone actually said "kill em all"?

no, that's an exaggeration, a parody.

I see a lot of talk about BACKLASH and "Retalliation" and that's being discussed in neutral-to-positive tones

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:58 PM (/FnUH)

302 287 18-1,

Correct the media embargo these stories so America remains balkanized and focused on the REALenemy The Boyscouts of America ad the Cato foundation.....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2014 01:58 PM (//7DD)

303 Who here was calling for random violence? I didn't see those posts. Were they deleted?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 01:58 PM (ZPrif)

304 This is the perfect storm of media frenzy. A Muslim convert who is being fired kills a female co-worker via beheading and is stopped before further horrors by an individual with a gun.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie


Ya know, when you put it like that it certainly looks like a story that would be given 6 seconds on the network news with no real detail and hushed up everywhere else.
Someone did a study a few years ago on the NYT. They checked and every single time a story ran where a bystander stopped someone with a legal gun the gun was never mentioned. It was always reported as, "A bystander held the perp for the police".

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 26, 2014 01:59 PM (bykzK)

305 Sure you can. He could also be the local GOP chairman. And fat. And a
smoker. And a churchgoer. With a large pick up truck. And happily
married to the same woman for thirty years.
========
Come to think of it, most guys I know that have been happily married to the same woman for thirty years are a bit overweight ... coincidence? I think not!

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2014 01:59 PM (JBggj)

306 I've made two concerted efforts to find it.
Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:57 PM (RJMhd)

I don't see anywhere in this thread where anybody said what ace is saying they said. Some predictions of eventual backlash? Yes. Advocating for or suggesting the random killing of mohammedans? No.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 02:00 PM (DrWcr)

307 301 >>>Has anyone actually said "kill em all"?

no, that's an exaggeration, a parody.

I see a lot of talk about BACKLASH and "Retalliation" and that's being discussed in neutral-to-positive tones

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:58 PM (/FnUH)

****************

Are you reading that in sven's comments?

He's kind of poetic so you have to read him in totality.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:00 PM (RJMhd)

308 >>> Ace,

Correct...

Let's not overreact....Islamic workplace vioence is a fine cornerstone of a beautiful and diverse religious culture....

Kind of like Easter Eggs....

Don't angry, be hoppy....

...

right, my cautioning against a lot of hot talk about "retaliation" is saying exactly what you claim it says.


Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 02:00 PM (/FnUH)

309 I've seen people either saying eventually something will happen to cause backlash or people saying if 9/11 didn't do it nothing will.

I haven't seen any specific calls for backlash but maybe I missed it.

Posted by: Mohammad at September 26, 2014 02:00 PM (HstNY)

310 I did see the Muslim community in Oklahoma talking about a backlash.

You know, I see or hear that a lot when something like this happens. They immediately turn it into a "ZOMG the white man is going to come kill all of us!" thing instead of focusing on the issue at hand.

Why is that?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 26, 2014 02:00 PM (oFCZn)

311 Sharing your question on my FB page, Ace.

Accusations of me being a bigot coming in 3...2...1...

Posted by: Captain Whitebread on patrol at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (4X5NS)

312
I've made two concerted efforts to find it.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:57 PM (RJMhd)


Over a thousand underage girls in the UK are raped and the police sat on it.
Why? Because they were afraid of the backlash against muslims.

I'm looking at my watch, and so far with the elapsed time since that story broke, no mosques or muslims have been attacked or any other kind of reprisal happened.

This stupid PC bullshit goes only one way. It will bury the West.

Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)

313 HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.

If all the Muslims did was TALK about killing infidels, I'd be about as afraid of them as a typical hip-hop group.

THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE. THAT IS ACTION.

Now, as far as the MSM embargoing the story because they're "afraid of what the white man might do": That is bullshit. They won't talk about it because IT HURTS THEIR LIBERAL AGENDA. Hell, if they thought a Tea Partier would fly off the handle and shoot a Muslim, THEY'D PUSH THE STORY 24-7 just to make them look bad.

In my opinion.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (wtvvX)

314 306 I've made two concerted efforts to find it.
Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 01:57 PM (RJMhd)

I don't see anywhere in this thread where anybody said what ace is saying they said. Some predictions of eventual backlash? Yes. Advocating for or suggesting the random killing of mohammedans? No.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 02:00 PM (DrWcr)


******************

Listen--I'm the biggest pussy Rhino here--I'm not really *seeing* it.

Now admittedly I skim over lengthy stuff.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (RJMhd)

315 Oh, hellz yeah. Beheading is such an all-American pastime, it just got to be a disgruntled employee trying a creative way to take out his frustrations.

Posted by: RushBabe at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (gEuvX)

316 I see a lot of talk about BACKLASH and "Retalliation" and that's being discussed in neutral-to-positive tones

Posted by: ace


I had my colors done and I was a Winter which is really funny because i'm such a beach person.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (bykzK)

317 Bad timing:

299 At some point, it won't matter. Fear, or self-preservation, or whatever will kick in & the "elites" won't have a say in the matter.

300 I've made two concerted efforts to find it.

Posted by: duke at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (ChY2Q)

318 This stupid PC bullshit goes only one way. It will bury the West.
Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)

Agreed. And with that, I'm out. The acrid smoke from the burning strawmen is making my eyes water.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 26, 2014 02:02 PM (DrWcr)

319 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:58 PM (/FnUH)

I think you are misconstruing the term "backlash" to mean "violent reaction to provocation."

I think there will be a backlash if the unthinkable happens (again). But it will take the form of legal impediments to Islamic centers, mosques and other facilities being built, limitations on public spectacles, decreasing Islamic Studies on campuses, etc.

I honestly don't see much of a chance of violent action in this country. Of course there will be a tiny minority that will act illegally, but the vast majority will be content with legal remedies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2014 02:03 PM (Zu3d9)

320 195

http://tinyurl.com/mz4qxe6

http://tinyurl.com/pl4goak

Just a tangent. I think it is related to the topic - people losing it and going on killing sprees. MJ hasn't been studied much. Pure speculation regarding a connection, but it is possible.

Columbine kids were potheads. Lanza was. Seems like all of them were. Every one I have looked up recently.

I only bet a dollar, after all.

Now, how do we get a federal grant to study this?

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 02:03 PM (6E2VN)

321 Over a thousand underage girls in the UK are raped and the police sat on it.

***************

Cripes didn't know that.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:03 PM (RJMhd)

322 I'm out too. I'll be back when my blood pressure is back to triple digits...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 26, 2014 02:03 PM (wtvvX)

323 Listen--I'm the biggest pussy Rhino here--I'm not really *seeing* it.

Now admittedly I skim over lengthy stuff.
Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (RJMhd)


You did see that ace answered that, yes?

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 26, 2014 02:04 PM (mf5HN)

324 This woman's death means absolutely nothing.

Doesn't it?

She was murdered, horribly, and no challenge or attempt to confront, change, or distance the West from the belief system that is responsible for her murder shall be made.

Right? Right.

Let's all sing happy fucking kumbaya with the next bunch of Islamic murderers. Because that's just what we fucking do, so we can go home and feel great about how righteous we are.

Right Ace? Right.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at September 26, 2014 02:04 PM (HsKky)

325 Cripes didn't know that.
---
You didn't see the Rotherham news in the past few months? Pakis raped 1,400 underage white girls in Britain.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 02:04 PM (ZPrif)

326 I think lost in all this madness, everybody here is forgetting the most

Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2014 02:05 PM (hHFOx)

327 Bad timing:

299 At some point, it won't matter. Fear, or
self-preservation, or whatever will kick in &
the "elites" won't have a say in the matter.

300 I've made two concerted efforts to find it.
Posted by: duke



Study human nature at all?
BTW, that wasn't a call for sudden jihadi like syndrome, #299 was an observation of what might happen if people are pushed far enough.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 02:05 PM (keT9Z)

328 320


You're seriously equating pot smoking with murder?

Pot is about the least-violent drug on God's green earth.

Unless tearing open bags of Cheetos is considered violence.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 26, 2014 02:06 PM (7ObY1)

329 You did see that ace answered that, yes?
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 26, 2014 02:04 PM (mf5HN)

***********

Nope sorry.

Will look for it.

My particular browser will sometimes not refresh a page....

It's weird I won't see posts until I refresh twice.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:06 PM (RJMhd)

330 >>>I think you are misconstruing the term "backlash" to mean "violent reaction to provocation."

I think there will be a backlash if the unthinkable happens (again). But it will take the form of legal impediments to Islamic centers, mosques and other facilities being built, limitations on public spectacles, decreasing Islamic Studies on campuses, etc.

I honestly don't see much of a chance of violent action in this country. Of course there will be a tiny minority that will act illegally, but the vast majority will be content with legal remedies.

...

the word retaliation was also used, which is "response in kind."

Also, some guy said (were it his family member killed by jihadists) he'd burn down the mosque and etc. etc.

Look, come on, please, stop. I know this talk is not genuine, but the same guys are always kinda looking forward to the REVOLUTION when THE PEOPLE FIGHT BACK and TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY and they are always talking in the same Red Dawn Wolverines way about their fantasy vengeance.

It's dark talk, it's low, it's emotional, and it's furthermore silly and impotent.

We don't need to vent our fucking worst fantasies in public.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 02:06 PM (/FnUH)

331 326I think lost in all this madness, everybody here is forgetting the most
Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2014 02:05 PM (hHFOx)


LOL, good timing, man.

Posted by: Heralder at September 26, 2014 02:07 PM (/Mxso)

332 Columbine kids were potheads. Lanza was. Seems like all of them were. Every one I have looked up recently.
----------


Since I mentioned it, do you suppose the Manson Family smoked pot?

I'll take Slam Dunks for $1000 Alex.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2014 02:07 PM (l1zOH)

333 I'm looking at my watch, and so far with the elapsed time since that story broke, no mosques or muslims have been attacked or any other kind of reprisal happened.

This stupid PC bullshit goes only one way. It will bury the West.


Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)


Hey... come on now... there was ONE woman who confronted the guy who was doing it to her!!!!

The Police Arrested her... but hey! Backlash!

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 26, 2014 02:07 PM (f0pWu)

334 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:50 PM (/FnUH) ---- Given not much (relatively speaking) happened after 9/11/01, I would think the answer is clear- most Americans are unlike the terrorists and murderers who attack us. Given there was what, one attack (?) - I think a Sikh maybe in 2001, we (patriotic Americans) are pretty even-keeled as a people.

Posted by: Baldy at September 26, 2014 02:07 PM (2bql3)

335 I don't think anyone is saying we should go all Jax Teller on them. People are upset.. and scared. Talk is talk, that's all. I understand not wanting to be shown advocating random violence towrds muzzies but most of here are angry. ALot of anger is directed at the MSM by the way and you ace are now thinking maybe they should keep the truth from us?? LMAO.. shit they've been doing that for years.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 26, 2014 02:08 PM (l/N7H)

336 308 Ace,

The underlying issues in play on this topic are:

1) FUCK Islam means it when it says "infidel hunting licenses sold here"

2) The media, Feral Govt, and Islam are fused in trying to ignore it...O and this is my favorite part pretend the "random backlash" is so imminent they warn not to be angry with the whole for the actions of a few.

If you feel I was flaming you rather than the mousetrap the left and Islam has built I apologize.....

I'll be quiet now and wait for the next Jared Loughner to have me personally to blame as a "fello tea partier" like the IRS airplane attack and even the Unabomber until his manifesto was publishe.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:08 PM (//7DD)

337 Pot is proven to increase the rate and severity of psychosis in pot-smokers.

So, yeah, a drug that most people find mellowing can increase violence in others.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 02:09 PM (ZPrif)

338 We don't need to vent our fucking worst fantasies in public.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 02:06 PM (/FnUH)



Of course not. That's what ff.net is for.

(Please don't yell at me for trying to lighten things up)

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 26, 2014 02:09 PM (mf5HN)

339 The GWOT is especially difficult when our elected leaders are ordering Trojan Horses and expediting delivery.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 02:10 PM (6E2VN)

340 Oklahoma Muslims Fear Repercussions Over Tomorrow's Beheading.

Posted by: toby928(C) steals from the best at September 26, 2014 02:10 PM (rwI+c)

341 325 Cripes didn't know that.
---
You didn't see the Rotherham news in the past few months? Pakis raped 1,400 underage white girls in Britain.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 02:04 PM (ZPrif)

***********

Nope.

After Benghazi and the Ukraine--I needed a real break so I stopped watching the news and various things.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:10 PM (RJMhd)

342 >>>Given not much (relatively speaking) happened after 9/11/01, I would think the answer is clear- most Americans are unlike the terrorists and murderers who attack us. Given there was what, one attack (?) - I think a Sikh maybe in 2001, we (patriotic Americans) are pretty even-keeled as a people.

i think that too, and I don't think the (few) commenters here who are going over the line really mean it.

But people have gotten into this habit of this same mode of discourse, of sort of Travis Bickling their response to any kind of outrage.

First of all, it's boring. We've seen this all before. We've seen every permutation of ONE DAY WE WILL RISE UP and the kind of revolutionary vengeance fantasy crap before. Hundreds of times.

Retire the meme. It's old.

Second of all, it's emotional. I don't believe these guys. I don't believe they're REALLY the kind of guys who would support this.

But then I have to ask: So why are they saying it?

Again, I think it's just because it's become a mode of discourse. Muslim attacks someone, we have to talk about killing three billion muslims (that was the actual figure floated in the comments several days back).

It's like guys are trying to measure their dicks with one another.

Please stop. this isn't as manful as some seem to think.

Finally, and this is about the "manful" point: I don't see how resorting to fantasy is "manly." Seems the opposite to me.



Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 02:11 PM (/FnUH)

343 330 Ace,

Retaliation can also be frezing Muslims out from commerce....


Which is a funny thing as it would be illegal.....but their having two prices for carsin Dearboristan isn't....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:11 PM (//7DD)

344 Shorter version: Muslim beheading is here. It's here.

I fully expect to see more.

Posted by: tsj017 at September 26, 2014 02:11 PM (4YUWF)

345 "Look, frankly, from what I see here, the media is right to embargo these stories. if this is the reaction they will engender -- then they're right to hide the truth from us.

Aren't they?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (/FnUH)"

No.

Look, attacking Islam does not mean burning down mosques, and killing anyone wearing a burka. It means exposing the evil inherent in the system. It means making the savages live under civilized rules underpinned by liberty and free will. It means no longer kowtowing to jackass groups like CAIR. It means finally having an honest conversation about the nature of the Islamic cult. And the media trying to shield people from these truths does nothing but engender even more suspicion.

Posted by: NotCoach at September 26, 2014 02:13 PM (rsudF)

346 IT'S COME TO THIS: In Response To Exposure Of Neil Tyson's Fabrications, Wikipedia Activists Trying To Eliminate The Federalist's Online Entry. Jimmy Wales, call your office.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/195670/

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 02:13 PM (ZPrif)

347 Finally, and this is about the "manful" point: I don't see how resorting to fantasy is "manly." Seems the opposite to me.



Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 02:11 PM (/FnUH)


Even the one with me and three chicks?

Posted by: Heralder at September 26, 2014 02:13 PM (/Mxso)

348 329 You did see that ace answered that, yes?
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 26, 2014 02:04 PM (mf5HN)


***************

Basically my original question was for him to call the people out--specifically.

Call it controlled targeting.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:14 PM (RJMhd)

349 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 02:11 PM (/FnUH) - You are right, and I probably am not the one to comment, since it is not my cup of tea to talk like that here or in "real" life. It is unhelpful.

Posted by: Baldy at September 26, 2014 02:14 PM (2bql3)

350 Eric Harris was on Luvox which probably had more to do with his mind frame than weed.

That and he was a psychopath.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 26, 2014 02:14 PM (oFCZn)

351 How many of us are treating "blow back" as random killing of innocent Muslims ? Not me. I'm talking about an end to the PC regime ala Major Hassan willful blindness to Islam's involvement, the same kind of public scorn for US Muslims supporting or justifying terror that would have been expressed in WWII re: Japan or Germany (and no, not internment or assault by mob). They'd be the enemy, not a victim group who could switch masks as they do now. A guilty until proven anti-jihadist mentality like we treated patriotic Germans and Japanese. "Insensitive," not murderous.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 26, 2014 02:14 PM (QKIQb)

352 the word retaliation was also used, which is "response in kind."

Also, some guy said (were it his family member killed by jihadists) he'd burn down the mosque and etc. etc.

Look, come on, please, stop. I know this talk is not genuine, but the same guys are always kinda looking forward to the REVOLUTION when THE PEOPLE FIGHT BACK and TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY and they are always talking in the same Red Dawn Wolverines way about their fantasy vengeance.

It's dark talk, it's low, it's emotional, and it's furthermore silly and impotent.

We don't need to vent our fucking worst fantasies in public.

Posted by: ace


Well, with all due respect (and I mean that), why post the story in the first place if you don't want to hear how commenters react to it?
Not trying to be snarky really. You post the outrage of the day and then seem surprised that peope are, well, outraged.
As you correctly point out this is not the forum for a bunch of actual geared up fringe killers about to embark on a modern crusade. Those people are probably not posting on blogs most of us read.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 26, 2014 02:15 PM (bykzK)

353
I said it. Not "some guy".

And for the record, you only get to judge what stays on your blog. You ain't, and never damn will be, the arbiter of what is "silly" or "impotent".

Furthermore, the notion of taking retribution in response to the murder of one of my family is not a "fantasy". It is an acknowledgement of current reality.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 26, 2014 02:15 PM (EicIO)

354 I don't see how resorting to fantasy is "manly."

--

Agreed.

Posted by: Guy about to level up his 17th level half-even druid at September 26, 2014 02:15 PM (ZPrif)

355 I honestly don't see much of a chance of violent
action in this country. Of course there will be a tiny minority that
will act illegally, but the vast majority will be content with legal
remedies.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2014 02:03 PM (Zu3d9)



^^^ This. There may be a family member who goes on a rampage, but I agree that as a whole if there is any reaction it will be of the talky and maybe legal action type. This particular incident? Unless a family member shows up with a scoped rifle at the courthouse he will be convicted of murder and maybe face the needle.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 02:15 PM (6fyGz)

356 Erm, Adam Lanza had no traces of drugs or alcohol in his system, and no marijuana paraphernalia was found in his home. He had no friends and rarely left the house, and his internet history turned up support for veganism, straight edge lifestyles and pedophilia...but no evidence that he used the internet to obtain weed (which would be about the only way since he never left the house).

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at September 26, 2014 02:16 PM (GmTxn)

357 The #muslimapologies hashtag is trending on Twitter again.

Posted by: Tyrone Shoelaces at September 26, 2014 02:16 PM (44OyV)

358 (Please don't yell at me for trying to lighten things up)
Posted by: alexthechick


YARGLE-BARGLE!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 26, 2014 02:16 PM (sDQnB)

359 Until there is a price the "community" pays this will continue unabated.

Yes, I said community.

This isn't some lone-wolf, mentally challenged loser who picked up a gun and shot innocent children in an act of unforgivable rage.

It is a pattern that is occurring across a community. A community who has an awful lot of adherents believing this is just fine or somehow justified.

This is our country and that "community" and culture is a lot more important than any particular group. And this is where I blame bending to other people's culture in the interest of being more welcoming. That is an abject failure (and foreseeable as so) for many reasons. Not the least of that being we've long since moved past a 6th or 7th century mentality.

Western civilization and America in particular is exceptional for many different reasons. One of the primary being that we have built an ordered government and society based on what we've learned. It is a sort of "best-practices" derived from time and experience. It celebrates and memorializes how we have gotten there. It has taken the lesson we have learned and incorporated that into our social mores and society.

Liberals want to tear that down in the interest of their parochial, utopian and therefore unachievable desires. Which is why I believe they bow to political correctness and protect people such as this. They don't like the way things are ergo they want to change it. So they deflect, demur, obfuscate and outright lie in order to keep the mendacity going.

I'm a little sick of it and pretentious people like Allah who put this into cutesy, nonsensical terms in order to fit nicely into some predetermined point of view.

This is nothing less than the horrific result of bending to a culture that is less civilized, more insensitive and prone to violence because not only does their society allow it, but because we show weakness and show absolutely no wisdom in the face of it.


Posted by: Marcus T at September 26, 2014 02:17 PM (GGEjQ)

360
There have been a zillion comments about nuking one or another place from orbit. There have been a zillion comments about killing all Moslems.

I once commented "It's impracticable to eradicate the religion" and was rejoinded with "no, it's just messy".

I think Ace gets bothered by the accumulation and when he lashes out it's not in reaction to one specific comment, but the general thrust.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 02:17 PM (JtwS4)

361 IT'S COME TO THIS: In Response To Exposure Of Neil Tyson's Fabrications, Wikipedia Activists Trying To Eliminate The Federalist's Online Entry. Jimmy Wales, call your office.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/195670/

Posted by: Costanza
----------------------

It is the cyber equivalent of book burning. Democratic Socialists have a history of doing that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2014 02:17 PM (l1zOH)

362 Columbine kids were potheads. Lanza was. Seems like all of them were. Every one I have looked up recently.
=========
Reefer Madness!

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2014 02:17 PM (JBggj)

363 Who uses the internet to get weed? You kids can't do shit without a computer or smartphone nowadays.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame Proud Grumpy Old Stoner at September 26, 2014 02:18 PM (QKIQb)

364 Which ideologies are common in people that go on rampages?

It seems the media wants to add one. Really bad.

Not sure if ace is saying it is intentional, but they'd have a field day if there were some reaction to this that could be broad brushed as a conservative trait.

I wouldn't be surprised if a diehard progressive inserted himself into a conservative / tea party organization, develops bona-fides over a long period of time and then goes on a rampage just to damage their "enemies".

The whole enemy of my enemy is my friend thing has been twisted up by progressives so much that they can't seem to choose sides in the GWOT.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 02:19 PM (6E2VN)

365
Erm, Adam Lanza had no traces of drugs or alcohol in his system, and no marijuana paraphernalia was found in his home.

There's no marijuana nexis in this thread either. There are just some people who bring their hobby horse into every thread.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 02:19 PM (JtwS4)

366 "First of all, it's boring. We've seen this all before. We've seen
every permutation of ONE DAY WE WILL RISE UP and the kind of
revolutionary vengeance fantasy crap before. Hundreds of times."




Yep, and that will happen the DAY AFTER people like Lois Lerner, BHO and Eric Holder go to FPMITA prison for things like F and F, the IRS targeting scandal, et al.



In other words...never.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 26, 2014 02:20 PM (6fyGz)

367 Reefer Madness gets mocked except that marijuana actually does increase the time of onset, frequency, and severity of psychosis. Pot-smokers have higher rates of psychosis earlier and the episodes are more severe.

The pot legalization movement keeps repeating the lie that pot is harmless and natural and yada, yada, bullshit, yada.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 02:20 PM (ZPrif)

368 podcast is up.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 02:21 PM (keT9Z)

369 How about a simple wish: I wish there were no Muslims in this country. I believe our country would be better and safer if they were not here. I believe that allowing more into the country will make it worse and far less safe. There, no Rambo pronouncements, just a reflection of reality.

Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2014 02:22 PM (rsGj7)

370 "367 Reefer Madness gets mocked except that marijuana actually does increase the time of onset, frequency, and severity of psychosis. Pot-smokers have higher rates of psychosis earlier and the episodes are more severe.

The pot legalization movement keeps repeating the lie that pot is harmless and natural and yada, yada, bullshit, yada.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 02:20 PM (ZPrif)"

Anything natural is harmless. I snort uranium ore and you should see the "natural" glow it gives me! Now if you'll excuse me I need to go sue my local municipal water supplier because the fluoride in the water is making my hair and teeth fall out.

Posted by: NotCoach at September 26, 2014 02:23 PM (rsudF)

371 360
There have been a zillion comments about nuking one or another place from orbit. There have been a zillion comments about killing all Moslems.

I once commented "It's impracticable to eradicate the religion" and was rejoinded with "no, it's just messy".

I think Ace gets bothered by the accumulation and when he lashes out it's not in reaction to one specific comment, but the general thrust.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 02:17 PM (JtwS4)

**************


Got ya.


That makes sense.

But what also makes sense is that you have people frustrated in certain communities that they have been overburdened with the fight, critiques left, right and sideways fromAmerica in their living room being lied to by a media that has gained a weird power over the act of violence called warfare.

And they are being strung up and tied up by ROE's from hell and everything they have been working for

for some twenty years now--starting with the Marine Barracks--so maybe more gets undone by couch sitters who can't stand to watch--that makes them too fucking tired or something.


So ya--some people want to unleash air power--that doesn't cost us forward ground controllers risking their necks.

--btw sometimes they go in with teams of--less than you can imagine just so you all can be more comfortable on your couches.

And--I'm sick of it/.

Air power has gotten pretty good--hell they can target just the offices of the refinery without the "boots on the ground".

You know Americans.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:25 PM (RJMhd)

372 Costanza, I'd be careful about what research controlled for preexisting problems, age, onset, and a lot of other methodology on those. Causation-correlation - the mentally ill tend to self-medicate with booze and pills, too.

I'd heed the research that cautions against pot-smoking through the teens/mentally formative years, but beyond that point there's no dividing line where you can say "substance X made me do it." Stoners need to own their behavior like anyone else. Just like drunks - if you act like that when you're drunk or high, it's buried in your "sober self" - the shit didn't make you do it.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 26, 2014 02:25 PM (QKIQb)

373 * I'm liking the state. The first person who starts singing the musical still gets punched in the dick.



Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (JtwS4)

Negative. Donkey Punch.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 26, 2014 02:25 PM (rXB/r)

374 Maybe, if one or two people are saying something questionable, it would be a better practice to address those individuals instead of implying that in general the people who make up your audience are ignorant savages unfit to hear the news.

But that's just my opinion.

Posted by: Adam at September 26, 2014 02:26 PM (HstNY)

375 Ugh btw--that is in no way directed at you.

And I'm not one of the ones saying nukes but letting the AF and Navy get in there for awhile.

Yep.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:27 PM (RJMhd)

376 Potheads actually get offended if you imply that their chosen mind altering substance might actually alter the mind.

Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2014 02:28 PM (rsGj7)

377 Retire the meme. It's old.
____________________

Ditto that.

Identifying the hardcore and dangerous is an incredibly difficult task. After all that work is done, then what? There has to be a ton of evidence, and rightly so. I wouldn't want someone 100% innocent and incapable of doing this horrible shit to get locked up. That goes for the crazies that'll murder America's kids in their classrooms, too. Not just the GWOT.

Perhaps speaking up and drawing attention in order to start an investigative process? It seems this one might have had a different outcome, doubt it, but maybe. People might worry about discrimination lawsuits and decide to not say anything. (I've got a personal story I'll type out and make as short as I can regarding that.) Lanza sure could have been stopped. So could Loughner. Hindsight is 20/20.

But geez, how would authorities differentiate between those guys and some of the dumb shit that's been typed out in conversations here?

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 02:29 PM (6E2VN)

378 I'm out.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 26, 2014 02:29 PM (bykzK)

379 For clarity.

I never advocated making the streets run with the blood of anyone...

I would just settle for allowing the FBI to trace the networks involved in defacto Madrassas here in CONUS....

I agree with those above who point out reciprocity is not coming.

I will go one further and predict that Obama comments on the potential for backlash if he comments at all while never pointing out what would be the underlying cause of backlash....

It's ok....I am angrier about the media bias and the continued parlor trick of my personally being responsible for every malfeasance committed by low tax economic thinkers, gun owners, and Raccoons than I am over being lectured about "don't indulge in public fantasy."

Of course I do have one question....

is ISIS and Jihadi Jim in this case guilty of "indulging in public fantasy?"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:30 PM (/4AZU)

380 @156
"It's the state song, bub"

And you are required to be able to sing it, on request, if you grew up in the state. Face it, it's probably the best state song out there.

Posted by: notsothoreau at September 26, 2014 02:30 PM (JKNZq)

381 people are right to be angry, not just at the man but the way it is handled in the press, If this had been connectedd to a middle aged lutheran ghe media would now be in a frenzy to find out Everything about his tea party activities ,
saying that

I have yet to see a group of crazy vengeful observer vigilantes going after muslims.

watchout for those weird ass tea partiers tho

Posted by: willow at September 26, 2014 02:30 PM (nqBYe)

382 359 Posted by: Marcus T at September 26, 2014 02:17 PM (GGEjQ)

The price Islam pays for its misdeeds is an exemption from Obamacare....

The ship has sailed Marcus we are third class citizens in our own culture.

It was a fun ride while it lasted but Political Correctness and Media Bias killed America

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:32 PM (/4AZU)

383 Also try not wringing your hands when one of the "drones" as you all call them target one of these ISIL creeps who happen to be American--

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:33 PM (RJMhd)

384 I'm not a betting man, but if I were I know where I would be placing my money.

The Causes of Beheadings:
(5) Failing to duck cannon fire during the American Revolution.
(4) Suddenly unfashionable family in France.
(3) Sudden cake shortage in France.
(2) Becoming wife Number 4 to an English king; and...
(1) Proximity to Muslims.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish & Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 26, 2014 02:33 PM (hLRSq)

385 381 Posted by: willow at September 26, 2014 02:30 PM (nqBYe)

and THAT is "the moustrap" the media has us in.

God love Ace no sarcasm but the instant response even here is "look don't overreact or be unmanly by being too randomly angry."

The anger and pique in my posts is about the media engaging in public floggings of the collectively guilty on a multitude of topics towards the GOP and Patriotic Americans.....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:34 PM (/4AZU)

386 Posted by: Marcus T at September 26, 2014 02:17 PM (GGEjQ)

Allah is so deluded he lost his apartment and friends to 9/11 and still doesn't get it.

Posted by: Madamex at September 26, 2014 02:35 PM (vaWdD)

387 I think there will be a backlash if the unthinkable happens (again). But it will take the form of legal impediments to Islamic centers, mosques and other facilities being built, limitations on public spectacles, decreasing Islamic Studies on campuses, etc.

I honestly don't see much of a chance of violent action in this country. Of course there will be a tiny minority that will act illegally, but the vast majority will be content with legal remedies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2014 02:03 PM (Zu3d9)



THIS^^^^^

Muslims, mosques, Saudi Arabia because of the funding and support of Wahabiist mosques, recruiting in prison, etc -

would all seem ripe for the same type of legal approach which took down Organized Crime.

Not to mention suing for damages, emotional distress, etc from surviving relatives.

Can you imagine how those trials would go?

I can.

There probably isn't a mosque in the country that hasn't had jihad preached in it or a sponsored men's group where violence hasn't been discussed.


If muslims were treated like members of the KKK, tolerated but disdained and made into laugh stocks. A lot of the problem would go away.

Of course, that assumes we stop importing muslims by the hundred thousands.

What that would require is a true recognition of what islam really is.

I suspect most of the frustration comes from the gov't breaking their part of the social contract by NOT protecting the public from an obvious murderous danger. In fact, they operate to make the problem within this country worse.

If the law can't or won't protect you, people will protect themselves in the way they see fit.

But, before the country gets to that point, I believe the legalistic approach will be used.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2014 02:35 PM (KBvAm)

388 sven, that pique is likely similar in many of us.

Posted by: willow at September 26, 2014 02:36 PM (nqBYe)

389 374 Posted by: Adam at September 26, 2014 02:26 PM (HstNY)

That's not how we roll...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:36 PM (/4AZU)

390 17
I hope we get a lot of sunlight on this.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 26, 2014 12:58 PM (z3PJU)

Oklahoma, isn't that next to Peruvia?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 26, 2014 02:36 PM (0XBx+)

391 I am sure it's been noted this man was Black, where his victims White?


Cause you know, RACISM

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 26, 2014 02:37 PM (0FSuD)

392 anywy prayers for the grieving.

and the sister is obviously a loon.

Posted by: willow at September 26, 2014 02:38 PM (nqBYe)

393 I'm not for trashing the Constitution re: Muslims any more than pogroms - just reestablishing the line where I can tell a jihad supporter to go fuck himself without concerns of "Islamophobia." He's free to express his opinion, I'm free to express mine, no violence involved. No special protected class lawsuits, no sharia-light preferential treatment, bitching over profiling, etc... Immigration-wise I do think entry and stay restrictions are in order - they're strongly resistant to assimilation and their international track record is uniquely disruptive. Smaller numbers, tighter criteria.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 26, 2014 02:38 PM (QKIQb)

394 387 Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2014 02:35 PM (KBvAm)

Indeed...of course there is *no* way that will happen.

I pointed out above that the Mosques should be acted upon as a garden bed for NetMapping to set up just such actions....

instead Jamie Gorelicker's spirit has us denied surveillance....

Radical Islam is a Tyrannical Organized Crime family disguised as a faith.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:38 PM (/4AZU)

395
"He killed in the name of Allah and in the prescribed manner popular among those who follow Islam."
Agreed . . . the only thing left to do is send that ass#oleon down to his 72 raisins ASAP. He certainly earned the trip.

Posted by: MWTexas at September 26, 2014 02:39 PM (N05oL)

396 388 Posted by: willow at September 26, 2014 02:36 PM (nqBYe)

It's why I've been scarce.

I am mature enough to admit I am seldom missed when I am gone, and I am loving enough of the whole to stay gone when I have little nice to say.

I am on the wrong side of the cyclical moderate rebellion here at the HQ, so I am mostly quiet.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:40 PM (/4AZU)

397 39 What the fuck is wrong with me? I've been fired and I never killed anyone except a 6 pack and bottle of booze and perhaps a joint.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, kinder, gentler machine gun hand at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (vPh3W)


I've never been fired, but I got layed off from my sweet draftsman apprentice job in high school. I was a little ....bummed.

....and then I got high.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at September 26, 2014 02:42 PM (TUrqU)

398 #387 naturalfake -- perfect, thank you.

I apologize for possibly sounding like I was advocating violence, I am not.


Posted by: acethepug at September 26, 2014 02:42 PM (4dRdB)

399 I wouldn't be surprised if a diehard progressive inserted himself into a conservative / tea party organization, develops bona-fides over a long period of time and then goes on a rampage just to damage their "enemies".

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 02:19 PM (6E2VN)

I'm pretty sure lone wolf rampages do not, as a general rule, entail thoughtful, quiet calculation over a period of years. And even if a murder-happy psycho did plan the mother of all false flag operations, the crazy would show itself well before such a plan came to fruition.

I've been on Twitter a lot lately. Believe me, crazy people have a hard time hiding it. You haven't lived until you've seen a Holocaust denier try to pretend normalcy with all that batshit craziness and hatred bubbling just under the surface.

Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2014 02:42 PM (ptcFO)

400 No one is calling for the random murder of Muslims.

However, I do believe there is a circumstance - some act of indifference to life so monumental that there will be a spontaneous, violent reaction.

It's human nature. Denying it is like denying gravity.

And no, event the "best" of people are subject to the madness. There is no way to pick them out of the crowd now. No one knows who will be in that mob when the time comes.

We're not that far along the evolutionary scale that we're immune to this.

Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2014 02:43 PM (u2a4R)

401 Just "workplace violence" No Islam to see here.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at September 26, 2014 02:43 PM (vFmT2)

402 The Causes of Beheadings:

(5) Failing to duck cannon fire during the American Revolution.

(4) Suddenly unfashionable family in France.

(3) Sudden cake shortage in France.

(2) Becoming wife Number 4 to an English king; and...

(1) Proximity to Muslims.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 26, 2014 02:33 PM (hLRSq)

I need a T-shirt with this on it.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 26, 2014 02:44 PM (rXB/r)

403 #377 "Identifying the hardcore and dangerous is an incredibly difficult task. "

There's a simple litmus test that works for every single sect, cult, movement, or association.

Do they reject temporal punishment for leaving the association (apostasy), disagreement, or insult to the foundations of their organisation and/or faith?

If they do not - if they require the murder or assault of any who leave their "faith" or "la cosa nostra", or call for the temporal injury or death of any who insult their cult leader, their scripture, or their organization - they are not a protected association or faith at all. They are -by definition in common law - a criminal conspiracy having no protections against prosecution.

Simple. Moderates don't call for someone to die for leaving their congregation. The most they should do is not invite them to play cards or come to pot luck dinners. If they call for them to die, they are a murderous mob deserving to be arrested, tried, convicted, and imprisoned.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 26, 2014 02:44 PM (H/OMd)

404 Of course I do have one question....is ISIS and Jihadi Jim in this case guilty of "indulging in public fantasy?"
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:30 PM (/4AZU)

Extreme cosplay.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish & Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 26, 2014 02:44 PM (hLRSq)

405 The widespread introduction of Islam and their immigration into western culture has made the lives of the existing citizens more unpleasant and more dangerous.

Try to logically refute that statement. Use it as a presidential debate topic.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 26, 2014 02:44 PM (ybMGh)

406 How about this?


I want to see the MFM start doing a complete 180 on their bias with respect to jihadis and jihadism. I want them to start publicly calling out muslims who are sympathizers and stop trying to cover up for them in their press.


I want the LE agencies from local up to federal cease all cooperation and collaboration with groups like CAIR and start treating them the same way they treat Tea Party members, vets, gun owners, conservatives, GOP, etc. I want these jihadi cover groups to be audited and put under microscopes and scrutinized. I want them to profile ALL Middle Eastern looking people at the airport instead of the 4 yo toddler or the grandmother in a wheelchair.


I want the charges of racism, bigotry, and islamophobia to be thrown back and laughed at. This isn't any of those.



I want our country and society to make the lives of islamo-fascists so unbearable, they either leave or stop pulling their stupid jihadi shit.




Posted by: EC at September 26, 2014 02:45 PM (GQ8sn)

407 No one is calling for the random murder of Muslims.

******************

It's offensive that I'm being accused in a way of condoning it.

And then when you ask for them to specify who--they can't even respect people enough to that.

So we're all accused--in a rough shot fashion--of tolerating that kind of thing.

People will do that.

Ace is getting beat up somewhere so he comes and kicks and hurts the people that he can.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 26, 2014 02:47 PM (RJMhd)

408
In way late, didn't read the comments, but seems to me the reason for the snap was being fired and the extracurricular action was because he was "positively" influenced by islam and the isis war.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk - ebozombie at September 26, 2014 02:47 PM (mgE2f)

409
In the new thread:

Simple solution. All these asshats want to be martyrs. I personally have no problem with their being accommodated by whomever or whenever. Let them go to their 72 Virgils. Or 72 year old virgin. Or whatever

Ace is not insane.*



* with regard to this issue only, all other caveats apply.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 02:47 PM (JtwS4)

410 Oklahoma, isn't that next to Peruvia?
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 26, 2014 02:36 PM (0XBx+)


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Yes. Peruvia is just across the Red River from us.

Posted by: Soona at September 26, 2014 02:47 PM (ld/PJ)

411 Hasn't the rise of Islam in Europe led to the rise of more aggressively nationalistic parties who are very anti-Islam? Why couldn't that happen here?

Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2014 02:48 PM (rsGj7)

412 404 Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 26, 2014 02:44 PM (hLRSq)

Kind of like the Tea Party and Tricorn hats then?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:48 PM (/4AZU)

413 America voted for it. They vote in idiot pols who support unchecked immigration from every nutcase place on earth. Only natural that the nutcases will start you know acting like the nutcases they are from their home countries that are shitholes because they are populated by well... NUTCASES!

Posted by: Dan at September 26, 2014 02:48 PM (COpZ4)

414 I'm liking the state. The first person who starts singing the musical still gets punched in the dick. Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 01:02 PM (JtwS4)

Where the heads come sweeping off the neck...

Cannot kick what I do not have!

Posted by: LizLem at September 26, 2014 02:48 PM (yRwC8)

415 Just what the hell is the problem with Allan's Snackbar?

Posted by: DaveA at September 26, 2014 02:49 PM (DL2i+)

416 testing testing

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 02:50 PM (6E2VN)

417 Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads.

Yes, Mohammed was war Lord who practiced mass murder . Some parts of the Koran are lovely. However got nastier after the Jews and the Christians wouldn't accept his revelations. Anyone who wants to pretend the violence isn't there is delusional. Should we threaten or offer violence to Mosques or Muslims who are not engaging in violence?. ABSOLUTELY NOT. And we didn't after 9/11. However, America will see more of these beheadings and the media will try to cover it up. It's a really toxic mix when you have cons who had been violent before converting to Islam. So, yes it's a little bit of workplace violence but the choice of death was clearly affected by his religion.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 26, 2014 02:51 PM (glk59)

418 He was a French Revolutionary, guys.

Posted by: Z Ryan at September 26, 2014 02:52 PM (fMK2m)

419
Jesus!
Look, frankly, from what I see here, the media is right to embargo these stories. if this is the reaction they will engender -- then they're right to hide the truth from us.
Aren't they?
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (/FnUH)


I'd say there's a difference between venting online and actually carrying out violence.

As an example, whenever some heinous (but non-ideologically motivated) crime comes up, like a hideous case of child abuse, quite often you'll see calls for horrific punishment online. Real medieval stuff, Brazen Bull, breaking on the wheel, impalement, you know the drill. In reality I suspect most of those folks would be just as happy if the criminal were just executed in a standard, relatively clean fashion.

At least I hope so, obviously I don't know what's going on in their hearts.

I suspect most (but not all) of the sort of thing you're seeing in response to crimes committed in the name of Islam is similar. Venting to feel better about the situation we find ourselves in.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at September 26, 2014 02:52 PM (8OfdL)

420
Oh wait, I guess there is a little bruhaha going on here. I'll move on up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk - ebozombie at September 26, 2014 02:52 PM (mgE2f)

421 399: Major Hasan didn't have any problems doing so. He practically jumped up and down saying I am going to do some killing. Did I miss him being stopped before he murdered a dozen people? Or were we too paralyzed because we didn't want to be "judgmental" to do anything?

Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2014 02:53 PM (rsGj7)

422 Asshats who want to be martyrs=random Muslims?

Posted by: Adam at September 26, 2014 02:53 PM (HstNY)

423 I see the limited numbers of "kill them all" reactions as pissed off overreaction. Likewise do I think Ace really means the media should embargo stories from us because we're knuckle draggers who can't handle the truth? No, I think he's pissed and overreacting. Seems to get like that more often in the last couple years. Ace actually endorsing gaslighting would be like Conan turning ghey.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 26, 2014 02:55 PM (QKIQb)

424 421 Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2014 02:53 PM (rsGj7)

Command was actively sweeping his testifying to his Jihadist bonafides under the rug....

looking for a pat on the head from Obama....

Major Hasan was part of Barry's transition team...

http://tinyurl.com/cc8v77d

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:55 PM (/4AZU)

425 As an example, whenever some heinous (but
non-ideologically motivated) crime comes up,
like a hideous case of child abuse, quite often
you'll see calls for horrific punishment online.
Real medieval stuff, Brazen Bull, breaking on
the wheel, impalement, you know the drill. In
reality I suspect most of those folks would be
just as happy if the criminal were just executed
in a standard, relatively clean fashion.

At least I hope so, obviously I don't know what's
going on in their hearts.

I suspect most (but not all) of the sort of thing
you're seeing in response to crimes committed
in the name of Islam is similar.



Versus the standard three hots & a cot for 20+ years.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 02:55 PM (mQXmP)

426 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:48 PM (/4AZU)

More like a Dungeons and Dragons convention where it really, really sucks when you miss your saving throw.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish & Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 26, 2014 02:57 PM (hLRSq)

427 426 Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 26, 2014 02:57 PM (hLRSq)

http://youtu.be/5gs2VYL-3RI

Reno 911

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:59 PM (/4AZU)

428 You know what's really strange about this OKC thing. We had (and he's still alive and living here) a brilliant heart surgeon that was muslim and practiced his art in our Baptist Medical Center. He was innovational in new techniques of bypass surgery back in the 70's. He saved my dad's life and gave him 10 more years of a good life that he wouldn't have had otherwise.

He's also the founder of OK's first mosque.

Posted by: Soona at September 26, 2014 02:59 PM (ld/PJ)

429 then they're right to hide the truth from us? Because it causes a reaction you don't like? Enemies doing bad things will cause negative reactions. That's a very immature thought being expressed. Probably more immature than the ones doing the venting that gets the host angry.

Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2014 03:00 PM (rsGj7)

430 >>>You haven't lived until you've seen a Holocaust denier try to pretend normalcy with all that batshit craziness and hatred bubbling just under the surface.
Posted by: troyriser

agreed, Adam Egat is the worst.

Posted by: X at September 26, 2014 03:00 PM (KHo8t)

431 Look, frankly, from what I see here, the media is right to embargo
these stories. if this is the reaction they will engender -- then
they're right to hide the truth from us.

Aren't they?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2014 01:52 PM (/FnUH)


If that is the case, then they also need to embargo any and all stories in which a white person, especially a cop or white-hispanic, kills a black person. Because this is what I'm seeing so far:

Muslim on nonMuslim violence: NonMuslims griping about it on internets
White on Black violence: whole communities burnt to the ground by protests and riots

Which one is the greater public danger here...



Posted by: LizLem at September 26, 2014 03:01 PM (yRwC8)

432 He's also the founder of OK's first mosque.



Deep cover/long game or apostate.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 03:02 PM (keT9Z)

433 429 Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2014 03:00 PM (rsGj7)

Perversely, rather than stop the eventual blow up the media's games make it more likely because they refuse to treat Islam like other people.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 03:02 PM (/4AZU)

434 Don't worry folks, I'll be launching a Federal civil rights investigation on this company immediately, we can't have companies discriminating in their firing practices on the basis of Religion.

Posted by: Erik Holedor at September 26, 2014 03:03 PM (uJ8q7)

435 431: Very good analysis. One that involves actual real world events that had consequences versus aceian speculation that doesn't. Makes it sound much less profound.

Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2014 03:04 PM (rsGj7)

436 Yes. Peruvia is just across the Red River from us.
Posted by: Soona

you 3.2% bastard

Posted by: X at September 26, 2014 03:06 PM (KHo8t)

437 Someone in the new thread also said "kill a democrat" in a comment but I don't think he meant literally go out and kill a random democrat.

Posted by: Adam at September 26, 2014 03:06 PM (HstNY)

438 Deep cover/long game or apostate.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 03:02 PM (keT9Z)


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I'm sure ISIS would have him standing in the line of the neck-cutting que.

Posted by: Soona at September 26, 2014 03:07 PM (ld/PJ)

439 Here's some good advice:

If you work with Muslims, carry a knife.

You probably can't carry a firearm but... if you can, do.

You probably can't carry a non-concealable knife, like a Ka-Bar, but if you can? Yeah, do that too.

You might call this prejudiced. I don't care. If that woman was armed there's a chance, however slight, that she'd still be alive.

You don't hear much about Methodists doing a lot of beheading. You don't read about the local atheist who hacks someone to death after they don't convert. There aren't a lot of Hindu's, Buddhists, or even pagans who kill if you don't convert... at work... in Oklahoma.

I'm not saying persecute anyone. I'm not saying that you should violate any laws or regulations.

But if you work with muslims you should really consider how you are going to protect yourself and your co-workers if/when they decide to begin their own private jihad.

Posted by: RobM1981 at September 26, 2014 03:08 PM (zurJC)

440 Posted by: LizLem at September 26, 2014 03:01 PM (yRwC

I believe that this is called, "Knocking it out of the park."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2014 03:08 PM (Zu3d9)

441 If that is the case, then they also need to embargo any and all stories in which a white person, especially a cop or white-hispanic, kills a black person.

Because this is what I'm seeing so far:
Muslim on non Muslim violence: NonMuslims griping about it on internets
White on Black violence: whole communities burnt to the ground by protests and riots

Which one is the greater public danger here...



Traytable, Ferguson, MO......

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2014 03:08 PM (keT9Z)

442 Posted by: Erik Holedor at September 26, 2014 03:03 PM (uJ8q7)

Hodor!

Posted by: Eric Hodor at September 26, 2014 03:08 PM (yRwC8)

443 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 02:59 PM (/4AZU)


Heh. Indeed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish & Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 26, 2014 03:08 PM (hLRSq)

444 Again, Trojan Horses. And due to the lack of action at our borders, our house, senate and president seem to be expediting orders for more.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 03:08 PM (6E2VN)

445 438 Posted by: Soona at September 26, 2014 03:07 PM (ld/PJ)

Possibly, of course the problem is not enough like the good Dr call out the radicals at their gatherings.

I seem to recall our culture made white bigotry the designated villain in infotainment for my whole life...

I joined in, somehow we are not allowed to make Rad Islam the designated villain the same way....why?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 03:09 PM (/4AZU)

446 I seem to recall our culture made white bigotry the designated villain in infotainment for my whole life...I joined in, somehow we are not allowed to make Rad Islam the designated villain the same way....why?
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 03:09 PM (/4AZU)


---------------------------------------------


Like so much else that's happening in our country right now, there were a few decades where most Americans became inattentive and politically lazy.

We are now reaping the harvest of those times.

Posted by: Soona at September 26, 2014 03:13 PM (ld/PJ)

447 The media appears to be successfully burying the muslim beheading story.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 03:14 PM (ZPrif)

448 I don't think it's really a good idea to embargo any stories that are not classified information on national security.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 26, 2014 03:14 PM (glk59)

449 447 Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 26, 2014 03:14 PM (ZPrif)

Local Human Resources Problem....

//Kermit Gosnell and then Al-Wa-Po

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 03:15 PM (/4AZU)

450 It's still not in the NY Times. Anywhere.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 03:16 PM (JtwS4)

451
MSNBC site has the story:

"No evidence Oklahoma beheading linked to terrorism, police say".

That's the headline. Of course, the police have said no such thing. The article says sources say that the leading theory is about being fired.

Sources. The police called the FBI to say "hey, will you look into the Islam angle for us?"

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2014 03:20 PM (JtwS4)

452 What would be more terror inducing than having your head cut off....

Posted by: Brandon Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at September 26, 2014 03:21 PM (jucos)

453 Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2014 02:42 PM (ptcFO)

Thanks. That is comforting. I tend to think I am preparing myself for the worst when contingency thinking, but perhaps I am just occupying my mind with useless crap.

Seems like people committed to a cause could conjur up just about anything and execute it. The left gets pretty damned rabid, so I really think the worst of the worst of them. Calling a huge group of their fellow Americans enemies and shit is way over the top. Then they demand that those same people cease the "violent rhetoric" and all that. Sorry for veering that far off topic, cuz really, we are talking about THE ENEMY here, not liberal progressives.

So, there are jihadi sleeper cells here, right? Assuming so, what can we do? Observe as safely as possible until we're pretty sure and then call someone? Who do we call?

What about lone wolf jihadis?

Sure wish I had a checklist or something. A "things to look for" and "what do do if this this this this, and this" kind of thing.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 03:22 PM (6E2VN)

454 @450

Of course not.

I will weep tears of joy when that propaganda hole finally goes out of business.

Posted by: RobM1981 at September 26, 2014 03:24 PM (zurJC)

455
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2014 03:08 PM (Zu3d9)
Aw, thanks. I do think the media's irresponsibility in ginning up race riots in certain instances but not in others is ridiculous. Stoke hatred in one camp and try to squash it in another, dependent on the color of the person's skin. Insidious.
I was also dumbstruck by the news that a Texan man who was an army vet, carrying a map of the White House in a bible, was stockpiling weapons, and was fixated on the president, got over the White House fence, and this has been completely downplayed as a nothingburger. I suspect that it is only, ONLY because his name is Omar Gonzalez; were he named Adam Smith the press would be screaming about it every night and it would be used against conservatives in the 2014 elections. No doubt.

Posted by: LizLem at September 26, 2014 03:24 PM (yRwC8)

456 Americans will not take this shit for long!

Posted by: pam at September 26, 2014 03:26 PM (cgrL5)

457 The thing that is bothering me most - how is it that this happened on Thursday and it wasn't national until Friday? I cannot understand this. I assume that all workplace murders are sensational and immediately national.

So???

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at September 26, 2014 03:27 PM (yrohn)

458 Not that the horrible facts of this woman's beheading and the subsequent stabbing of a second coworker don't also bother me.

I am also a coworker. And when will the war on coworkers be exposed?

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at September 26, 2014 03:29 PM (yrohn)

459 I certainly don't fantasize about or advocate killing muslims en masse or randomly whenever there's a terrorist act or "workplace violence" or "local crime story"

What I am sick of is the policy of sending the authorities to guard muslims, make all sorts of apologies, and punish anyone who is pissed off about it

When a white suburbanite loser shoots up a school or a UPS center, the rest of us are supposed to repent for the sins of "collective guilt" or for "hate words that inspired the killer". Then piss on the Constitution, propose massive police state legislation, all to protect "the children"

I'm not blaming all muslims, but I wish they'd stop getting special treatment just because some pissed off people run their mouths.

Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2014 03:29 PM (aTXUx)

460 Every time a moon god worshiper cuts someone's head off they claim it is the will of Allah. Is Allah one of 360 gods at the Kaaba Muhammad made everyone worship of else off with their head? Is Allah the god Sin?

I wonder which Mosque the boy went to, or what was on his CPU and cell phone. His Imam lover phone number?

Posted by: Leatherneck at September 26, 2014 03:40 PM (vg6/o)

461 365

lanza was a user. it screwed up his chemistry. people don't have to be "on" it to be adversely affected by having used it months and even years ago. it triggers some people.

and yeah, it is way off topic in some regards. it is relevant in that people saw the crazy and no one acted. no one successfully acted that is. to hell with the root cause, i guess.

but when police look for the murderer of a wife and mother of four, they look at the husband first.

MJ is a common thread in a lot of psycho sprees. whether you like it or not, there it is. whether it matters or not? you got me there. one out of who knows how many people are harmfully altered by it. that's all. someone brought up caffeine, as if that puts the discussion to rest.

and no, it ain't a hobby horse. just shooting the breeze here and throwing out the whole root cause thing for everyone's consideration.

thanks for your input. i don't owe you a dollar yet.

pot is harmless. for everyone. got it.

sorry for bringing it up. didn't mean to smear anyone.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 03:43 PM (6E2VN)

462 we are talking about crazy people and the layers of experience and thought that makes them crazy, right?

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 03:44 PM (6E2VN)

463 Muslim attacks someone, we have to talk about killing three billion muslims (that was the actual figure floated in the comments several days back).

Posted by: ace


The issue is not really "violence" but rather the inexplicable appeal of noxious ideologies.

It's patently obvious that this guy was not a "terrorist" per se, but it's just as patently obvious that beheading people in a rage is a core value of his chosen "religion."

In the entire history of this country, can you think of even one "disgruntled ex-employee comes back and wreaks revenge" incident that resulted in a beheading? No. In my lifetime I've seen literally hundreds of these incidents (anybody remember the phrase "going postal," which came from several PO employees going berserk after getting fired or getting reprimanded?), and although many of them ended with deaths, NOT ONE ended with a beheading.

Until now.

And what was the distinguishing characteristic of this guy? He was a Muslim -- the very religion that is on the nightly news every night beheading victims.

This is no coincidence.

And he didn't need to be a member of a "terrorist" group to act like this. His behavior is what Muslims do, and he knew that. Beheading someone never would have occurred to him had he been any other religion (or nonreligious).

So, whether or not a bunch of hopped-up rednecks drive around the USA in their pickup trucks shooting at random Muslims, or merely fantasize in blog comments about doing so, is actually irrelevant: Islam already is a noxious ideology. It will remain so if we act nonviolent and passive and reasonable, and it will remain so if random people get angry and seek out random "revenge," and it will remain so if the US military kills a gang of extremists, and it will remain so if Joe "Praise Jesus" Warmonger III gets elected president in 2016 and declares war on worldwide Islam and nukes the Middle East.

Our actions (however you define "our") are irrelevant. Because we're dealing with a very problematic ideology (which is misidentified as a religion). It has been this way since Mohammed himself massacred and beheaded innocent tribes. And ever since. And it's not going to change, despite the fantasies of people with "COEXIST" bumperstickers.

No, to get back to my original point, the problem is that these creepy ideologies, no matter how roundly condemned by reasonable people, just won't go away. The "class revenge" ideology of Marx and Engels, despite being exposed, debunked and discredited an infinite number of times both theoretically and in real-world applications, continues to thrive and attract "converts." Nazi ideology, despite being taboo and hated by all "normal" people, continues to appeal to those either moronic or attracted to the taboo. And Islam similarly continues to thrive, despite under even cursory inspection to be revealed as a totalitarian and fascistic worldview.

Crushing the Nazis in WWII did not bring and end to Nazism. Winning the Cold War and the self-evident failure of every single Marxist state did not end Marxism. And obviously nothing has ended Islam.

Where we need to be directing our energies is in making these ideologies less appealing, even as "taboo" cult-clubs.

Some ideologies have indeed "died out" (how many practitioners of ancient Egyptian religion are there left in the world? Zero? How many Mesmerists?), so is it possible to "snuff out" an ideology.

How to do so is a huge question one can't answer here in a comment, but that's what I'd like to be discussing.

Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2014 03:50 PM (/UYSJ)

464 what percentage of certain ideologies are crazy and capable of executing their craziness is where i was headed.

i think.

my apologies if my sputtering thought process got on anyone's nerves.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 03:51 PM (6E2VN)

465 I thought we were talking about a guy who must be crazy to follow a mad man named Muhammad. Someone who worshiped one of 360 gods at the Kaaba. Perhaps, his Imam, or Internet Jihad contact will help shed light on this fellows desire to cut a women's head off.

Not wearing a Burka maybe? When I got laid off, I didn't cut anyone's head off. I went for a drink.

Posted by: Leatherneck at September 26, 2014 03:51 PM (vg6/o)

466 463 Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2014 03:50 PM (/UYSJ)

Out of the park Zombie...

Like I said we are not even allowed to admit that the carrying cost of Islam far exceeds its benefit to the west....

that's a long way from "let the bodies hit the floor."

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 26, 2014 03:56 PM (/4AZU)

467 Humans are very emotional. When Islam does what Islam does well it brings chaos within a culture. Chaos brings change.

It is the same thing with bringing in millions of illegal aliens. The Federal government appears to be supporting this chaos.

What recourse do we have as most are poor? I say, arm yourself to the teeth with a 5.56, or 7.62 weapon system and six extra clips.

Posted by: Leatherneck at September 26, 2014 04:05 PM (vg6/o)

468 What that would require is a true recognition of what islam really is.


Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2014 02:35 PM (KBvAm)

^^^^ THIS. Our media ignores the true nature of this dysfunctional ideology, and does very little to accurately inform us of it's true nature and history.

After doing some basics research, I have come to believe that this 'religion' is essentially EVIL.

After all, compare "Do unto others" with "Behead infidels".....

Posted by: Ian Galt at September 26, 2014 04:14 PM (dmepw)

469 dayum zombie.

can i say that is where i was headed had i followed my train of thought for forty years or so and people coached me through it?

that was well said. very well said.

thank god for smart people.

i hope your question is addressed.

my two cents? speak against it while we can. highlight the hypocrisy and humiliate it. i watched that video that supposedly caused spontaneous protests. is that stuff true? they seemed to cite "scripture" and verse on all of it. no wonder they'd be incensed. i didn't see any refutation of it. just obama simply saying it was slanderous and basically saying no wonder our consulate was attacked, who could blame them kind of crap. no one went point by point and called bullshit on it.

meanwhile i'll tiptoe around and listen. cuz, honestly? they scare the hell out of me. was proselytized to in the service. incessantly. they get goddamned violent fast. numerous fights about it and that's no shit. and those were American service members.

it is effin toxic. bat-shit crazy. and the volatility is shocking.

ffs, they behead people and think that is a ticket to paradise. and here i am leaving footprints if one of them wants to track an infidel down. honestly, i am almost as hesitant to say the M word on line as i am the N word. they scare the shit out of me.

christians know there is nothing they can do for that ticket. can't behave their way into paradise. 180 degree different.

with that i'll try to shut up and listen for a while, and hope this thread continues into the night.

have a nice weekend, y'all.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 04:18 PM (6E2VN)

470 Stay calm and fire back. Get on-line, intersect your fire and keep 3 feet between you and your friends. That way one grenade will not get you all.

Posted by: Leatherneck at September 26, 2014 04:22 PM (vg6/o)

471 It's long been said that Islam has bloody borders.

To pretend otherwise is suicidal.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at September 26, 2014 04:27 PM (PMGbu)

472 Ace, your analysis is as wrong here as Obama's on the workplace/nidal hassan nonsense:

http://tinyurl.com/ly85jzz

"while reportedly shouting Islamic phrases"

Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at September 26, 2014 04:29 PM (avEon)

473 ACE,

You are wayyyy to politically correct.
Think also Australia...they want to terrify us, and they are...I wonder when America will fight back?

Posted by: gonzotx at September 26, 2014 04:44 PM (eV1YV)

474 Well said, Ace. Just because a Muslim beheaded a woman in America is no reason to jump to conclusions. Why, it could be just a coincidence that he was a Muslim and a beheader. Who among us has not decapitated a passerby in a moment of distemper? Are we then Muslims? It all sounds so silly when it's put like that, doesn't it? This is just another incident of workplace violence, nothing more.

Posted by: Tantor at September 26, 2014 05:04 PM (659DL)

475 The only feasible answer to Islamic extremism is to convert them to Christianity. Without conversion, we will only see more of the same.

Posted by: grammie winger at September 26, 2014 06:17 PM (3B+O8)

476 If this story is reported at all in the New York Times and its ancillary media it will be something like this:


Shooting and stabbings kill one and injure two in workplace violence incident. A disgruntled employee who was in the process of being fired is being held in the incident. The assailant had a tattoo of Jesus and a tattoo of praying hands and was reported to have been pestering coworkers to convert to his religion.


When are we going to pass some common sense gun laws?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at September 26, 2014 06:37 PM (PD6iL)

477 The local media here in OK omitted the part about this guy being a muslim, in their initial reports.

The incident was reported as "workplace violence".

People think of OK as a really conservative place.
It is...but the media here is pretty much all liberal/progressive.

Posted by: wheatie at September 26, 2014 06:52 PM (pvVHg)

478 Hey, Obnoxious A-Hole, I saw this alternative headline in one of the Amazon Politics Forum threads:

"Christian Police officer Shoots Innocent Muslim While Performing Sacred Islamic Ritual!"

I've been reading comments in local tv sites that post on my FB newsfeed. Some are absolutely stupefying.

It is almost too late for the world's religious and political leaders to step up and talk ffs. At this point, when they finally do, it'll probably just fulfill a prophecy from Daniel Chapter 2 or 7. At that point, I hope the rapture is real and that my shaky faith gets me the hell out of here. Eh, maybe not. I think I could be cowardly enough to just bow down and fake devotion to Islam just to survive and keep my family alive.

Pretty scary. Seems that's how dictators are born and thrive. Here I am today with contingency plan to just play along so my family doesn't get abused horrifically.

Isn't that why we needed a surge and a significant SOFA? Way back in 2005, my friends used to fantasize about Vietnam styl tunnels on steroids. Some shack in Falluja being the main exit for the American bullet ants that would pour our if a terrorist group so much as farted in the wrong direction.

I was naive. I really hoped we would be smart enough to have a NORAD type complex manned with much much more underground than what we pretended to leave behind for "just in casies" above ground. I hoped it so much that I started to believe "duh, of course they did." ISIS disillusioned me.

Any global movements steering toward peaceful cohabitation will just postpone the inevitable.

Eeyore out.

Thought I was gonna shut up and listen. Beer does that to me.

Posted by: i like anchors at September 26, 2014 07:10 PM (6E2VN)

479 Carry-A-Gun.

Posted by: Hudson at September 26, 2014 07:23 PM (bsLVL)

480 "I will wage such a war, that the Japanese language will only be spoken in Hell."

That was Halsey, at the start of the last war America won. We won, by the way, by dropping nuclear weapons on two cites in Japan, after fire-bombing most of the others, as well as most of the major cities of Germany. I suspect that one or two of the inhabitants of all those cities might have been what Ace would call "innocent". War is like that. Innocent people get killed, because they are on the other side.

Now that you've told us how wrong it is even to talk about killing people for being our enemies, maybe you would like to explain your easy-peasy three-point plan for getting the R of P stop making war on us?

Posted by: Jerome at September 26, 2014 08:22 PM (eQa5p)

481 By the way, how did all these Muslims get to be so innocent? Their religion says to kill us. Their co-religionists are killing us. They have opened up a slave market in northern Iraq, where they sell women whose families they have killed. They plan to go right on killing us, in ever-growing numbers. Are there a lot of Innocent Mafiosi? Are you concerned about a backlash against innocent Crips and Bloods? No one in America has to be a Communist, or a Crip, or a Muslim. It's a personal decision they make, to join an organization that preys upon outsiders.

Posted by: Jerome at September 26, 2014 08:43 PM (eQa5p)

482 According to the Koran, the only innocent people in this world are Muslims. Plus, the only way for an Infidel to get to Heaven is to be killed by a Muslim.

Therefore, Islam covers both bases. If those who follow Muhammad murder you, you get a chance to make it to Heaven. If your a Muslim, you get a good chance to go to Heaven.

When Old Knob made that religion/political system he was sure using his noodle that day.

Posted by: Leatherneck at September 26, 2014 10:22 PM (vg6/o)

483 "Some ideologies have indeed "died out" (how many practitioners of ancient Egyptian religion are there left in the world? Zero? How many Mesmerists?), so is it possible to 'snuff out' an ideology."

Perhaps. In this case, it probably would involve a lot of bacon.

Posted by: Leven at September 26, 2014 11:01 PM (cQ4Va)

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