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Hey Remember When I Said We Shouldn't Take Pleasure In Someone Else's Humiliation? Yeah Forget That, I Was High
I got this from Ed Morrissey's post on #GamerGate, and his interview about it with Adam Baldwin. Check out his post if you're interested. Adam Baldwin does a pretty good job of explaining it on Morissey's podcast.
(And it's a hard thing to explain, because it gets into potentially objectionable stuff, like someone's revealed sexual affairs -- but Baldwin does a good job of keeping it out of those weeds, and on the subject of media accountability and integrity. If you're interested, Crank T-Rex has more on the whole scandal.) If you don't have time for that, enjoy this dude DESTROY (and I do mean destroy) dopey feminist critics who, let's face it, have given up any kind of legitimate critique and now are just looking for things to be OUTRAGED!!! about on a daily basis. I don't know who this dude is but he brings the thunder.* Well, I mean, he brings the thunder to the extent it can be brought in a stupid internet nontroversy about an "overly sexualized" drawing of Spider-Woman. Within that limited sphere, he brings the thunder. Favorite quote: "By constantly bitching about this horseshit..."A parakeet making a kill in the wild. It’s graphic but important to show how brutal nature can be @AceofSpadesHQ http://t.co/eU5lvXmXMy
— Sweater Yams (@Sweater_Yams_) September 3, 2014* Oh, I do know who it is: It's Maddox, who did this piece telling people who claim to "love science" that they don't love science and need to shut the f*** up. He's great but someone needs to tell him the word is "provocative" not "evocative." I mean, "evocative" is a word; it's just not the one he intends.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Scott Anderson at September 05, 2014 07:18 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Scott Anderson at September 05, 2014 07:18 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 05, 2014 07:22 PM (tk9x5)
Posted by: wheatie at September 05, 2014 07:23 PM (LcQ0i)
Posted by: Vincent Hanna at September 05, 2014 07:23 PM (SXAIh)
Posted by: Tilikum KillerAssault Whale at September 05, 2014 07:23 PM (F0Cog)
That vid definitley brought the thunder.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at September 05, 2014 07:24 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 05, 2014 07:24 PM (xhKCK)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2014 07:24 PM (zfY+H)
Posted by: The Amazing Spider Dog at September 05, 2014 07:24 PM (JdEZJ)
Peter Jackson should take over direction for Game of Thrones and he should have elves and dwarfs and big mean looking spiders and orcs...
...and TWO f*cking elves should easily kill ALL the spiders and then easily kill ALL the orcs....while dancing on the heads of the dwarves (whom are in barrels traveling down the river)...
...so let it be written...so let it be done...
Posted by: Peter Jackson fanboy #1 at September 05, 2014 07:25 PM (3VwrO)
Posted by: Janeane Gahbuffalo at September 05, 2014 07:26 PM (RgqiI)
Posted by: Peter Jackson fanboy #1 at September 05, 2014 07:26 PM (3VwrO)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 07:26 PM (F0Cog)
Though ace has taken that idea and run with it and made it much funnier than Maddox.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 05, 2014 07:26 PM (lWHFh)
Posted by: Lauren at September 05, 2014 07:27 PM (BPMYx)
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Which is also normal for most superheroes.
But yeah, my first thought when seeing the pose was, "Isn't that just how Spiderman ordinarily poses?" The only difference is the angle. And if they'd gone with the usual angle, we'd be hearing all about how they were emphasizing her breasts instead of her butt.
Posted by: junior at September 05, 2014 07:28 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: EC at September 05, 2014 07:28 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at September 05, 2014 07:28 PM (jucos)
all superhero characters are nudes. they always have been.
the "sheer clothing" is an artist's convenience -- they're drawing nudes, then just coloring them as if they're wearing clothes.
clothing is apparently troublesome to draw.
Posted by: Hodor at September 05, 2014 07:28 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Barney Frank at September 05, 2014 07:28 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: wheatie at September 05, 2014 07:29 PM (LcQ0i)
I feel a lot like I do about the Ernie and Burt sexuality controversy....
SpiderWoman does not give a fuck BECAUSE she is ink....
just like Ernie and Bert are not gay because they are puppets....
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 05, 2014 07:29 PM (/4AZU)
RE: the Spider-Woman cover, its not the pose, that's pretty standard for
spider-man. Its the fact that she's basically sprayed with body paint,
not wearing a costume.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2014 07:24 PM (zfY+H)
Tell me about it.
Posted by: Dr Manhattan at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (QIVJq)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (RgqiI)
RE: the Spider-Woman cover, its not the pose, that's pretty standard for
spider-man. Its the fact that she's basically sprayed with body paint,
not wearing a costume.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Yeah, watch the video.
Posted by: Spiderman at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (7V0lh)
Posted by: Lauren at September 05, 2014 07:27 PM (BPMYx)
LOL!!!!!!
Thread winner.
Posted by: EC at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (doBIb)
No, they wear very tight, form fitting clothing. There's a big difference between yoga pants and buck naked with spray paint on you.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (zfY+H)
You think you had it bad?
//The Human Torch
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (/4AZU)
all superhero characters are nudes. they always have been.
the "sheer clothing" is an artist's convenience -- they're drawing nudes, then just coloring them as if they're wearing clothes.
clothing is apparently troublesome to draw.
Posted by: Hodor at September 05, 2014 07:28 PM (/FnUH)
And conceals muscles which makes it much more difficult to show how strong your hero is.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (lWHFh)
Yup...
Colossus....Naked with a few triangles drawn and some lines...
of course the X-Men all started wearing leather jackets in the 90s b/c some artist was showing off his fetish or something....
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 05, 2014 07:32 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: EC at September 05, 2014 07:28 PM (doBIb)
IIRC Maddox said rude things about both of my little car/trucklets. I know he did a rip on the Baja, and I think he did one on the Rampage as well.
I love my little car/trucklets. Maddox is a asshole.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 05, 2014 07:32 PM (6fyGz)
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:32 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: Sigmund Freud at September 05, 2014 07:32 PM (RgqiI)
Space Moose. Google it.
You will laugh your way to incontinence.
Posted by: simplemind at September 05, 2014 07:33 PM (hTeQK)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 07:33 PM (F0Cog)
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:33 PM (ejb/Q)
No, they wear very tight, form fitting clothing. There's a big difference between yoga pants and buck naked with spray paint on you.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (zfY+H)
Did you even watch the video? He shows multiple instances where male characters are shown "nude" as Spiderwoman. Including a pose that would've caused shitfits if it had been a woman, but got shrugs because it was a man.
Posted by: nnptcgrad at September 05, 2014 07:33 PM (Opyrm)
Posted by: Buzzion at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (lWHFh)
And boy howdy, do these guys looooove to draw rippling man muscles. I think spider woman's butt is just a beard to distract from all the homoerotic masculine musculature.
Posted by: wooga at September 05, 2014 07:34 PM (Zpaa/)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (zfY+H)
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What about this spray-on clothing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScvdFeh1aOw
Posted by: RioBravo at September 05, 2014 07:34 PM (RxU4k)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 05, 2014 07:34 PM (7V0lh)
Posted by: Feh at September 05, 2014 07:34 PM (alXd1)
Posted by: Magic Eight Ball at September 05, 2014 07:34 PM (RgqiI)
Posted by: huerfano at September 05, 2014 07:34 PM (bAGA/)
dude, they're nudes.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. yes, they're supposed to be wearing "very tihgt, form fitting clothing."
But how they draw them is by drawing a nude (something young artists have done a lot of), they coloring in "clothing" over the nude form.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:35 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 05, 2014 07:35 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2014 07:30 PM (zfY+H)
uh... only if you're fat.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:35 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: nnptcgrad at September 05, 2014 07:35 PM (Opyrm)
Posted by: EC at September 05, 2014 07:35 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 05, 2014 07:32 PM (/4AZU)
I quit reading when Wolverine started wearing a yellow handkerchief in his back pocket.
Posted by: some guy at September 05, 2014 07:35 PM (QIVJq)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 07:36 PM (hqVUe)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 05, 2014 07:29 PM (/4AZU)
With fists up their bottoms...
Posted by: Rubber Ducky at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (lN8KC)
Wolverine is out? Wolverine is OUT?
Posted by: Howard Cosell at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (RgqiI)
Thing is, she almost was built like the character. She was an absolute bombshell. I saw men getting whiplash as she walked by. Yet she was very insecure about her looks.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (F0Cog)
As a university professor, I can say with integrity that I was never attracted to any of my students or any students on campus that wore yoga pants.
As a guy, HAHAHAHAHA! BINGO!
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (ejb/Q)
even the most muscular guy's muscles are not visible through a shirt.
That rippling separation in chest muscles is only visible... in a nude, which you have colored over as "clothing."
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 07:36 PM (hqVUe)
Looks like Ace has a spider theme going today...
Posted by: The Archnid Hat at September 05, 2014 07:38 PM (lN8KC)
Proud members of No Labels to be certain but yes....puppets
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 05, 2014 07:38 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: simplemind at September 05, 2014 07:38 PM (hTeQK)
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (/FnUH)
Caresses rubber bat-nipples...
Posted by: Clooney-era Batman at September 05, 2014 07:39 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 05, 2014 07:38 PM (/4AZU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APAMYUyc390
Posted by: Gummi-Ente tanzt Techno-Musik at September 05, 2014 07:40 PM (lN8KC)
they put out), let me assure you, they're drawing nudes, just without
genitals or nipples.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (/FnUH)
And therein lies the rub.
ok if no one else was going to say it, I had to!
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:40 PM (ejb/Q)
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The irony, of course, is that the Major is *quite literally* built like that. As in, a machine-made construct.
Posted by: junior at September 05, 2014 07:40 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: RioBravo at September 05, 2014 07:41 PM (RxU4k)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Tatted, Rested and Ready at September 05, 2014 07:41 PM (GEICT)
Ace, why do you never post Naked Testicle Spider Man anymore?
London Boys, sure. But no more naked testicle spider man?
Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-400 days left until climate chaos) at September 05, 2014 07:42 PM (yKi7k)
Posted by: YIKES! at September 05, 2014 07:42 PM (mETGQ)
Why do these imbeciles make a big deal about a comic book? Don't buy it if you don't want it!! I think that is solution to Spiderwoman cover.
I don't read any of those women's magazines.
I was talking to man down the street about women ( I did not know that quite a few do this) getting dumped & then woman threatens to cry rape. WTF? Man told me one woman did that to him & he told me women are evil. I told him I would never even think to accuse someone of that. It's happened to two of my male friends.
Posted by: Carol at September 05, 2014 07:42 PM (sj3Ax)
DUH!
Guys like Girls' sexy bits. Well, no shit.
Can we move on?
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:42 PM (ejb/Q)
Thing is, she almost was built like the character. She was an absolute bombshell. I saw men getting whiplash as she walked by. Yet she was very insecure about her looks.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (F0Cog)
Shirow Masamune tends to draw his females, more now than ever before, with tiny wastes and broad shoulders. It's like he's using trannies as models...
Posted by: シェルでハット at September 05, 2014 07:43 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Steven S. at September 05, 2014 07:43 PM (9oI4k)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 05, 2014 07:44 PM (3a584)
they put out), let me assure you, they're drawing nudes, just without
genitals or nipples.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:37 PM (/FnUH)
I still have a copy of that book! As a kid I used to practice for hours drawing Sue Richards', err, figure.
Posted by: some guy at September 05, 2014 07:44 PM (QIVJq)
Those of us who've been around the block, check this out:
https://twitter.com/SpinsterAndCat
I think the bit of snark I appreciated most was her "#GamerGhazi" retweet but there's lots more.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 05, 2014 07:44 PM (3kZUM)
Posted by: Pajama Boy at September 05, 2014 07:44 PM (SXAIh)
Posted by: nnptcgrad at September 05, 2014 07:35 PM (Opyrm)
Neeeeerd!
-Ogre
Posted by: wooga at September 05, 2014 07:45 PM (Zpaa/)
I taught myself how to play guitar and piano as an adult. I didn't get great, but it was passable.
I tried to teach myself to draw and made almost no visible progress.
Some of it just in-born. Maybe most. I expect kids learning pre-puberty can make some decent progress.
As an adult I just made no headway.
Buddy of mine is a natural. From a young boy he could just draw nearly anything he saw. He didn't go into art cause he said other guys were so much better than him. He still draws for fun.
Almost everything else I've ever done the auto-didact bit for, I made some decent improvements. Not drawing, though. That part of my brain doesn't seem to exist.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 07:45 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 07:45 PM (ahBY0)
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/273523377339271058/
NSFW
Posted by: andycanuck at September 05, 2014 07:46 PM (xhKCK)
http://tinyurl.com/nfapfe4
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evoke
Posted by: Epobirs at September 05, 2014 07:46 PM (IdCqF)
Posted by: Jo Jo Biden at September 05, 2014 07:46 PM (3/wAJ)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 07:46 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 05, 2014 07:47 PM (tk9x5)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 05, 2014 07:47 PM (kAPuS)
me too. Complete loss. I got frustrated because what was in my head would not show up on the paper and I stopped.
It's hard.
I think you really just need to be able to accept something that everyone has trouble with: You are going to be as like an infant at first, doing absolute shit work, and you need to accept that, and be ready for it, and do it anyway, over and over again, until you draw like a child, and then keep at that until you draw like a teenager.
Probably the same thing with music.
or anything else.
also the same thing with learning a language. I'm keeping at this thing because for once I do not want to give up just because it's hard and I feel stupid being so bad at at it.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:47 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 07:47 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Carol at September 05, 2014 07:42 PM (sj3Ax)
Girl, this time of year is my favorite. No longer does the sun set at 9PM and rise at 5 AM.
I'm out of town on business right now and will entirely miss my winter, but...
Parrots, of which I care for 7, sleep immediately when the sun goes down and rise immediately when the sun breaches the bluffs. I *hatehatehate* summer because it means I get 6 hours of sleep, max.
I BEG for winter.
Stupid earth and it's 23 degree inclination to the solar plane...
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:48 PM (ejb/Q)
I hate this SJW shit creeping into my nerd hobbies. One of my favorite video series, Hey Ash Whatcha Playin, started tagging all their old videos with "Trigger Warnings" and Anthony Burch has generally become a giant pussy in the face of the Tumblr Perpetually Offended Army.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 05, 2014 07:48 PM (3H4Zj)
I was thinking of you earlier. A month or so ago you said something about Forged website so I went to it & bought 3 T Shirts there.
It was hot here & I have to wear neck collar in rose garden. I had black T Shirt on, my friend told me white is best when it's hot out. I took that one off & put on a white T Shirt I bought from there. It's very well made & high quality.
Posted by: Carol at September 05, 2014 07:48 PM (sj3Ax)
I'm sure it would with feminists, I'm just pointing out why people are reacting poorly to this particular image. And since those images were not widely publicized and pushed hard by Marvel trying to increase sales... only comic book geeks ever saw them.
Hence, no outrage or concern.
In any case, the artist in this particular case is a softcore erotica artist, who specializes in drawing nymphets in sexual situations and positions. Its like asking Bob Guccione to do a picture of a nun. What do you think you're going to get?
This response of huffing "why, its nothing, this is just another picture you people are outrageous!!!" is just silly posing. Its clear what the issue is, its why guys look at the pic and go "sweet"
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2014 07:49 PM (zfY+H)
That horse is a good example of the way superheroes are drawn, with skin tight clothes to emphasize the musculature. The horse would not be as powerful looking if it had a hide like a Shar Pei.
Posted by: Epobirs at September 05, 2014 07:49 PM (IdCqF)
Posted by: The Amazing Spider Dog at September 05, 2014 07:49 PM (JdEZJ)
Right, no male hero wears tights because sexism.
Anyway...came we get sam raimi back in the spiderman franchise?
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 05, 2014 07:50 PM (tk9x5)
Posted by: Lauren at September 05, 2014 07:50 PM (2+WNz)
Theses guys;
http://www.carlustblog.com/
dedicated a week to inappropriately named Chrysler products one time. The Rampage featured prominently.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at September 05, 2014 07:51 PM (dJCJQ)
Da f**k?! I don't want to draw no spheres, ovoids, and rectangular prisms. U high, dude?
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:51 PM (/FnUH)
You all know what Dr. Samuel Johnson said when they asked him about freedom of the press: "Freedom of the press, yes; but also freedom of the cudgel."
Posted by: Freedom of the cudgel at September 05, 2014 07:51 PM (hNREx)
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 07:51 PM (4+Wfi)
It's hard.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:47 PM (/FnUH)
Measure your fingers and toes.
Laugh all you want. But:
long fingers and toes are artsy people. short and stubby are logic people.
dismiss it as you wish, and I can't prove it in a lab without becoming Dexter, but 46 trips around the sun? eh... just an observation.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:52 PM (ejb/Q)
Offenditarians need to be shouted down at every opportunity. They are a cultural cancer.
If shit like this isn't curbed considerable countries like China and India are going to walk in one day and ask us to take our piddly wittle feewings and leave the internet while they create the next 100 years of innovation.
A fundamentally unserious nation.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 05, 2014 07:52 PM (kAPuS)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at September 05, 2014 07:52 PM (tmFlQ)
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 07:52 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: dogfish at September 05, 2014 07:53 PM (1vYi0)
Posted by: Donna and V. at September 05, 2014 07:53 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 07:53 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 07:53 PM (hqVUe)
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:47 PM (/FnUH)
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Well you've mastered the English language, Ace...with a mastery that few English-speaking people ever achieve.
So that's something.
Posted by: wheatie at September 05, 2014 07:54 PM (LcQ0i)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 07:54 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:51 PM (/FnUH)
the first person to approach me with an "ovoid" gets one warning.
TF is a rectangular prism? As opposed to just a prism?
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 07:54 PM (ejb/Q)
Offenditarians need to be shouted down at every opportunity. They are a cultural cancer.
If shit like this isn't curbed considerable countries like China and India are going to walk in one day and ask us to take our piddly wittle feewings and leave the internet while they create the next 100 years of innovation.
A fundamentally unserious nation.
...
indeed, it's such a waste of time, and even worse, it stands in as a substitute for actual thinking or reading.
These idiots are not doing this Outrage!!! nonsense on top of their homework, as it were; they are doing this in place of any actual thinking.
It's an intellectual, aesthetic, cultural, social, psychological, and moral cancer. People are making themselves stupider, cruder, and worse than they were designed to be, and they're doing so because it's... EASY!
Dumb is easy and easy is holy.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:54 PM (/FnUH)
Spider-woman awakes to find herself not only locked in a cell but completely naked as well. She berates the Intelligentsia for stealing her clothes and they try to make excuses for why this was necessary but despite their massive cognitive ability they cannot bring themselves to admit they just wanted to appreciate her fabulous body. It was pretty funny while at the same time giving the artist and excuse for naked Jessica Drew.
Posted by: Epobirs at September 05, 2014 07:55 PM (IdCqF)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 05, 2014 07:50 PM (tk9x5)
Until Marvel gets him back, I think Spiderman is just going to suck.
Maybe someday we'll get Secret Wars...
Posted by: some guy at September 05, 2014 07:55 PM (QIVJq)
you can have a triangular prism. I think you can have a circular one, too.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:55 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 07:55 PM (4+Wfi)
Spider-woman awakes to find herself not only locked in a cell but completely naked as well. She berates the Intelligentsia for stealing her clothes and they try to make excuses for why this was necessary but despite their massive cognitive ability they cannot bring themselves to admit they just wanted to appreciate her fabulous body. It was pretty funny while at the same time giving the artist and excuse for naked Jessica Drew.
...
did... did you download this as a free giveaway form Comixology or Marvel or something?
I have this issue. It was free.
POSER!!!!!
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:56 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 05, 2014 07:56 PM (tk9x5)
Posted by: Albie Damned at September 05, 2014 07:57 PM (nGaMY)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
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This.
And the same for Aggrieved-itarians.
Posted by: wheatie at September 05, 2014 07:57 PM (LcQ0i)
Posted by: freaked at September 05, 2014 07:58 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: joanne at September 05, 2014 07:58 PM (s/quq)
Da f**k?! I don't want to draw no spheres, ovoids, and rectangular prisms. U high, dude?
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:51 PM (/FnUH)
You know as a nerd I have watched the marvel animated shows on disneyxd. They used t have these little bits where they would show the artists actually drawing the characters in an action pose. And granted it is the cartoons and not comics so they don't have the super defined musculature. They always started out with drawing very basic shapes.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 05, 2014 07:59 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: A is A at September 05, 2014 07:59 PM (lN8KC)
Amanda Marcotte finds something new to be offended by just about every day. She's now pissed off about women cooking dinner for their families. Because Oppression.
Posted by: Donna and V. at September 05, 2014 07:59 PM (+XMAD)
bit.ly/ZbsgU9
bit.ly/1quzCwp
bit.ly/1nBkE2Z
Enjoy.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 07:59 PM (0zVEV)
--
No, there is such a thing as natural talent. Some people are just naturally better at some things than others.
And the human brain is fundamentally different after puberty than before, mastering new skills post-puberty is more difficult. Language is a perfect example of that, but most elite athletes, singers, artists, etc learn their skills as young children.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 07:59 PM (zwdxl)
STOP SLUT-SHAMING SPIDERWOMAN!!!!
Posted by: --- at September 05, 2014 08:00 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Epobirs at September 05, 2014 08:00 PM (IdCqF)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 05, 2014 07:56 PM (tk9x5)
One day we'll own it all!
Posted by: Walt's Frozen Head at September 05, 2014 08:00 PM (QIVJq)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 08:00 PM (F0Cog)
a commenter here recommended it and I tried it.
It's decent for what it is. They make some good choices. They try to turn the learning process into a game (with leveling up, buying extra lives, extra health (for when you make mistakes on quizzes), and they try to get you reading real foreign language materials ASAP.
What they make you do is TRANSLATE WIKIPEDIA PAGES IN OTHER LANGUAGES, which is pretty smart, as you're actually helping expand wikipedia as you learn.
And they start you doing that fast.
By the way, if you ever read a really shitty translation of a Wikipedia page imported from the foreign wikipedias, this is why.
My bad.
On the other hand, DuoLingo is not deep, does not have grammatical instruction, does not have some key stuff (like being able to talk to other students learning, though I imagine you could arrange this on your own easily enough).
It's great for a free product, but it has the limitations of a free product.
it also annoys me when it kills me in a quiz because I wrote a correct sentence, but not the exact sentence they wanted (that is, it is only programmed to accept one answer, though one could write several possible correct sentences answering a question).
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:01 PM (/FnUH)
Without these guys we wouldn't have such humorous phrases as Homo Rapiens and PIV.
The world would be a darker place.
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 08:01 PM (4+Wfi)
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 08:01 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, lucky seven at September 05, 2014 08:01 PM (u8GsB)
and video taped peoples reaction to him? Pretty funny, and a good job at
making a doggie spider suit.
No. I was too busy reading this great book by Jonah Goldberg---Liberal Fascism.
BTW, Ace, you misspelled, "Da duck".
Posted by: andycanuck at September 05, 2014 08:01 PM (xhKCK)
that takes a shit ton of work to learn. Some take to it more easily than
others but it's mostly work. Work isn't too popular these days.
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 07:54 PM (ahBY0)
you're misunderstanding the fact that there's those of us who can do some things exceptionally well, and you can save your lectures on hard work. We just suck at translating thought/emotion to media (paper, verbiage, et al)
Everyone's good at something, and everyone just totally sucks at a lot of things. Just is what it is.
I teach. I had kids who wanted to learn; tried oh so hard; gave it their all. But at the end of the day? "F"
I had others that didn't want to be there and mailed it in: "B"
You are either given to a talent, or you ain't.
I come from a family of renowned painters. Just... amazing. Runs in the family.
Until me.
My white board drawings are known campus-wide as "wtf?"
I will fk up a stick figure.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 08:02 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: Killerdog at September 05, 2014 08:02 PM (Oi60j)
Was that off topic? Sorry. Well, don't forget to vote for us because we're not democrats.
Posted by: Mitch "the hound dog" McConnell at September 05, 2014 08:02 PM (1mtKP)
no, he means provocative every time.
"Evocative" can mean evoking anything. He plainly means evoking a sexual response, and we say "provocative" when we mean that.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:03 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 08:03 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Freedom of the cudgel at September 05, 2014 08:03 PM (hNREx)
Everyone in my family plays an instrument. I can't play the spoons.
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 08:03 PM (4+Wfi)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 07:53 PM (hqVUe)
Not reading the blog is a Time Honored Moron tradition.
Posted by: CM at September 05, 2014 08:04 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Stupefyin' Jones at September 05, 2014 08:05 PM (1mtKP)
Posted by: farad at September 05, 2014 08:05 PM (lgU2M)
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 08:06 PM (4+Wfi)
Posted by: CM
****
You assume we can read.
In fact my 5 year old niece is typing this.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 08:06 PM (F0Cog)
I can play the stereo .
Posted by: awkward davies at September 05, 2014 08:06 PM (Z+Mqb)
Posted by: Buzzion
One of the DC artists, Bart Sears I think, wrote a series of drawing lessons in the back of one of the comics.
He's known for super-exaggerated musculature. He called his style 'bag of potatoes;' the potatoes being the musculature underneath clothing, the 'bag.'
Of course you still have to get proportions right, but his explanations made sense ... if you practiced like a mofo of course.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 05, 2014 08:07 PM (kAPuS)
i've heard that, or i've been told, "Stop drawing like you've been trying to draw since you were a child; that's plainly not working, now STOP, and obey the proper technique."
Adam Carolla has a whole riff that everything in live consists of breaking your natural technique and accepting that there is a non-natural but much better technique -- whatever you're doing, you have to stop what "feels right," because plainly, that's not the right way to do it.
Batting a baseball, for example. It's a specific technique, not the "natural" way you might think to do it.
anyway he expanded this idea to all of life, and how one of our biggest impediments is our refusal to abandon our "natural technique" and listen to someone who knows what the hell he's talking about and try HIS technique.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:07 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 07:59 PM (zwdxl)
Yeah. I took art classes in high school and ended up being tremendously frustrated because no matter how much I practiced I couldn't make whatever I was trying to draw look remotely like the picture I had in my mind.
People who have a natural talent for something tend to apply themselves to developing that talent and they get even better at it. They sometimes make a mistake in thinking that it's something everyone can do if they work at it. But if you are tone-deaf, you can't sing - period. If you have poor hand-eye coordination, you are not going to hit like DiMaggio.
Posted by: Donna and V. at September 05, 2014 08:07 PM (+XMAD)
It's not about feminism. I've been on and off a feminist myself since, oh, birth. (Mum was one of the strong ones.)
It's about the whole fucking Western world turning into LGF.
It's about how someone has the right to voice an opinion . . . until someone else, with no real opinions of his/her own but with lots of ambition, decides they can use that opinion to get an "upding".
Feminism is nothing to these guys. If a strong woman shows up arguing for the Right like - oh - that Alaskan chick, O GODS AND GODDESSES WATCH OUT.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 05, 2014 08:07 PM (3kZUM)
UFC's actually a good example of pre vs post-puberty training.
They are just starting to get the first generation of UFC guys who've been training MMA their whole live. Like from the age of 5.
The first 10+ years it was guys who trained in some other discipline -- wrestling, boxing, jiu-jitsu, bjj, kick-boxing, karate, etc, etc -- who then tried to add the other skills to their arsenal as an adult.
Now you got 20 year olds who've been training all this since they were in kindergarten. As a result, the new guys are a lot better than the last generation of fighters who tended to be one-dimensional.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 08:09 PM (zwdxl)
Like everything athletic, it's all in the hips. There's a saying about this in baseball, 'Do what's natural as long as it works, otherwise, do what works until it's natural.'
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 08:09 PM (4+Wfi)
Everyone just defaults to their learned way of doing things, and pretty much everyone has to break that pattern at some point.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:09 PM (/FnUH)
Apparently, developing fine motor control is part of the process. He made a point of saying "Everybody thinks they can just pick up a pencil and BOOM! - you have to work at it." He then showed exercises like making small loops in cursive style and getting the same size across the page, et cetera.
Which - for some reason - makes me want to kill Bob Ross.
Also, re: Amanda Marcotte - anymore I think of her as the evil twin of Ann Coulter. I just conjoin them into a Amanda MarCoulter being that's just generally offputting.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 05, 2014 08:10 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 05, 2014 08:10 PM (3kZUM)
Nobody works hard at stuff they suck at. Cause that sucks.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 08:10 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, lucky seven at September 05, 2014 08:10 PM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Freedom of the cudgel at September 05, 2014 08:03 PM (hNREx)
I pushed about 3K kids through basic training. I pushed alongside at least 20(?) "dykes" as you call them.
Those troops have been in service for (does the math) 18-23 years now.
One of my best bosses was MSgt Hermanson. She's gay. And she'll fucking grind your ass into the ground, shit on you and then call in the airstrike.
Now, that's not to say that the liberal hippie lesbians have their shit together, because they don't. They're commies, and liberals. That's why we hate them. Not because they're gay. They're gay because they were raped and/or abused by men. It's pretty much that simple.
But, eh, ya might wanna rethink in some places.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 08:11 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: BumperStickerist
****
EVERYONE wants to kill Bob Ross...
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 08:11 PM (F0Cog)
that's true but most people can learn to do something with discipline.
They may not be destined to ever be great at something, but they can learn how to do things.
The "ya either got it or you don't" sounds like it might be a too-easy excuse for giving up. At least it sounds like it could have that use.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:12 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: lfw - 14 days to retirement at September 05, 2014 08:12 PM (vVSOO)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, lucky seven at September 05, 2014 08:12 PM (u8GsB)
Those troops have been in service for (does the math) 18-23 years now.
One of my best bosses was MSgt Hermanson. She's gay. And she'll fucking grind your ass into the ground, shit on you and then call in the airstrike.
Now, that's not to say that the liberal hippie lesbians have their shit together, because they don't. They're commies, and liberals. That's why we hate them. Not because they're gay. They're gay because they were raped and/or abused by men. It's pretty much that simple.
But, eh, ya might wanna rethink in some places.
Posted by: TangoNine
****
You have me thoroughly confused and a bit aroused. Need more beer.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 08:13 PM (F0Cog)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 08:14 PM (ahBY0)
162 I seem to sense a theme here....Spider Dog, Spider Woman, Giant faced sized Spiders.......Ace, why are you upset with AtC?
I'm more concerned if she's going to dust off and nuke this site from orbit.
Hear of any missing nuclear warheads lately?
Posted by: CM at September 05, 2014 08:14 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 05, 2014 08:14 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: Freedom of the cudgel at September 05, 2014 08:17 PM (hNREx)
1) People are born with different levels of natural talent. Literally genetically superior -- faster, stronger, smarter, ability mimic, hand-eye coordination, visual imagination, direction sense, etc, etc, etc.
2) Working hard, people can improve most skills. Often a good bit. Your rate of improvement and peak are probably a function of your natural talent.
It's not an either or. Some of us are born stronger and faster than others. If you exercise and practice you'll get even stronger and faster. And the weak and slow can also improve with exercise and practice and technique.
Steroids, HGH, TRT, and EPO also work.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 08:17 PM (zwdxl)
I have a relative that's a great self-taught play-by-ear pianist. I'm mean really fun at parties etc. He always refused to take lessons. I think it's because if he did, he'd just be a good player rather than a fabulous self-taught pianist.
people are strange.
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 08:17 PM (4+Wfi)
Avengers 12.1, published in 2011. I get my comics by the gigabyte.
You should know better than to bring a geek to a nerd fight.
Posted by: Epobirs at September 05, 2014 08:18 PM (IdCqF)
Posted by: freaked at September 05, 2014 08:19 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 08:19 PM (F0Cog)
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"
He explained that phrase meant "Drink until it all makes sense."
Good advice. I miss him.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 05, 2014 08:19 PM (4CVLy)
I say thank God comic book artists are still drawing human bodies. Pig-Woman I can do without.
Posted by: Feh at September 05, 2014 08:20 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 08:21 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: nnptcgrad at September 05, 2014 08:21 PM (Opyrm)
Posted by: lfw - 14 days to retirement at September 05, 2014 08:21 PM (vVSOO)
https://soundcloud.com/star-one/joan-rivers-vs-darcus-howe
Joan rips black brit broadcastrs who call her a racist new ones. Very much worth a listen.
Posted by: The Progs at September 05, 2014 08:21 PM (iQIUe)
I'd add in that most "experts" at something are 90% of the time doing the basics really well. I see this a lot with dancing. Couples will memorize complex figures without really understanding them. The result is that they can muddle through together, but put them with separate partners and they fall apart. The instructors or professional tango dancers, on the other hand, can improvise and make it look complex, but when you look closely it's just a sequence of basic figures done very precisely and very quickly and in time to the music.
Posted by: Leo Tolstoy at September 05, 2014 08:21 PM (hJTYs)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at September 05, 2014 08:22 PM (jWPU7)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 08:22 PM (hqVUe)
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 08:24 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Barky at September 05, 2014 08:25 PM (Y6xQZ)
I was a good athlete. I remember being 5 or 6 and I was just ... better ... at almost every sport than the other kids. I was faster and more coordinated. I had no training. Neither did the other kids.
I remember kids being selected for choir in like 2nd grade. Nobody had any training, but some kids could sing on pitch. I could not.
I remember theater stuff as a kid. Some kids were naturally funnier, had more natural charisma, could mimic voices and walks and stuff.
It's not a binary talent or not. It's a gradation. And people with high levels of talent tend to migrate to activities where their talent is rewarded.
That said, one of childhood friends was a tiny Japanese dude who loved playing basketball even though he was short, slow, couldn't jump and was a terrible shooter.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 08:26 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: Freedom of the cudgel at September 05, 2014 08:26 PM (hNREx)
Posted by: --- at September 05, 2014 08:27 PM (MMC8r)
i want to learn german now too.
It's going okay. You just have to be prepared for frustration, but also know that by keeping at it, it will come.
There is something called Coffee Break German available which gives you 15-20 minute lessons. it's an easy way to start, in preparation for the other stuff.
Incidentally, my theory -- and we will see if this is vindicated; I don't know if it will be yet -- is that you should try to read (and hear) the actual language as much as possible, as early as feasible (which is not immediately), so you should have an eye towards reading the German newspapers and stuff within a month or so of starting the language.
Like, it's my theory that this is how I learned English (by actually reading and hearing English), and ergo, this should, in theory, be a good way to learn a foreign language.
The theory sure seems sound to me but I don't know if it actually works any better than sticking just to texts and such.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:27 PM (/FnUH)
As IneternetAristocrat has noted in his videos, gaming journalism has been a cesspool for years now. Sites like Kotaku and RPS waded into the SJW bullshit and it's made me completely avoid those sites.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 05, 2014 08:27 PM (3H4Zj)
I gave up about at the "draw spheres, ovoids, and rectangular prisms,
and then connect those to form the rough outline of a body" phase.
Da f**k?! I don't want to draw no spheres, ovoids, and rectangular prisms. U high, dude?
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 07:51 PM (/FnUH)
Same here. I can sketch out some lumpy circles but then it's a bit of a roadblock. The pros make it look easier:
http://i.___ur.com/CGbfVxE.jpg
Posted by: Dan Kojak at September 05, 2014 08:27 PM (ukE6C)
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 08:28 PM (zwdxl)
Right, interest is key, but people tend to be interested in things they have some natural talent for
How about me? What am I good at?
Paste is yummy.
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 05, 2014 08:28 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: --- at September 05, 2014 08:28 PM (MMC8r)
If you have some time though, ace, his stuff might be worth checking out.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 05, 2014 08:28 PM (7gb3a)
Oh, man, do not do that. It's really hard.
If you want a sample, try to pronounce the German word for "orange juice."
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 08:28 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 05, 2014 08:29 PM (7gb3a)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Tatted, Rested and Ready at September 05, 2014 08:29 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 08:30 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 08:30 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Splunge
I have no idea what the German for orange juice is, but IMHO, German is one of the easier languages. There are similarities to English, and it has pretty well established rules, because Germans.
I'd even say that it can be a beautiful language to listen to. Think Lili Marlene.
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 08:32 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: lfw - 14 days to retirement at September 05, 2014 08:32 PM (vVSOO)
I have a recurring nightmare where I am compelled by a mysterious, unexplained social commandment to be Amanda Marcotte's boyfriend, like it's a prison sentence, or some other kind of hideous Kafkaesque hell-scape.
Cold sweats, that one.
Can you fucking imagine having to share a bathroom with that genetic abomination?
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 08:33 PM (pR/At)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 08:33 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 08:34 PM (F0Cog)
* Do you suppose any guys objected?
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 05, 2014 08:34 PM (WS+CW)
You are conflating "orderly," which it is, with "simple," which it is not.
I believe the German word for "orange juice" is something like "Orangensaft". When I tried to pronounce it for the first time in Germany, because I wanted some, the vendor apologized for how bad the German language is. Of course he was being very polite, but he may also have been onto something.
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 08:35 PM (qyomX)
Clearly, Spider Woman is not married. Wedding cake causes a chemical reaction that suddenly makes that position "hurt my back."
Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 05, 2014 08:14 PM (yxw0r)"
Oh, that's funny right there
Posted by: Albie Damned at September 05, 2014 08:35 PM (nGaMY)
German can be a mouthful because of it's long, awkward compound words, but I didn't find it's pronunciation rules all that difficult. I think pronouncing French is much harder for English speakers, which is why the French can be such snots about it. The French (and Spanish) "r" is terribly difficult to pronounce correctly - or at least it was for me.
Posted by: Donna and V. at September 05, 2014 08:35 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 08:35 PM (NeFrd)
God throws around talent in the strangest ways .
Posted by: awkward davies at September 05, 2014 08:35 PM (Z+Mqb)
Posted by: Bastian Schweinsteiger at September 05, 2014 08:36 PM (Y6xQZ)
The last few weeks I've been...stuff.
So let's skip to lessons learned:
1) this ain't the internet of 1994. This is a wall-to-wall nightmare of govt agencies and hackers and ne'er do wells... How do I put it... It's like walking down a hallway covered in shit and blood to get to a room wherin lies shit and blood.
The internet is fuxored. You do NOT want to be here.
2) Lose your cell phone. I don't give a shit what you paid for your contract or your phone or how much you love texting. Lose it.
3) Never social media. EVER. FB? Twitter? Are you stupid?
4) do not let your kids on the internet unless it's like an xbox account or some harmless thing like that. No FB. No tweeting.
5) Everything has been hacked. Twice or more.
Pull your sim card when you travel. Kill the GPS in your car (it's why I drive what I drive when I'm home). It's easy, takes 5 seconds: pull the sim card before you move, replace it as needed if you really need a cell.
What I've seen in the last 25 days would make your skin crawl. Me? Not so much because I figured.... this shit ain't Archie Veronica and Gopher anymore.
Get small.
Now.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 08:36 PM (ejb/Q)
now that i am semi-acquainted with French, when I hear German, for the first time I can hear it as fairly close to English.
I mean some of it like "gibts mir" (give me) is virtually English.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:37 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 08:37 PM (NeFrd)
Yes, you are probably right about that. Really the German pronunciation is not too horrible, orange juice and subtle umlaut modifications aside; it's the complexity. I once owned a book listing the conjugations of the 500 common German verbs that do not conjugate in the usual way.
I think one of the Nero Wolfe books has a passage to the effect that pronouncing French properly requires cultivating an active hostility to the Anglo-Saxon way of speaking.
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 08:38 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: CM at September 05, 2014 08:39 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 08:39 PM (NeFrd)
wanted some, the vendor apologized for how bad the German language is.
Tomato, tomahto.
I find it fairly easy to pronounce, but then 5 years of middle and HS German may have something to do with it. Sadly, I haven't kept it up in the intervening years, but I still like the sound. Of course, if you're looking to harangue people, it's in a league of it's own. Nicht wahr, Adolf?
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 08:40 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 05, 2014 08:40 PM (iRaJO)
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=walmart
I remember that guy.
The guy who doesn't care if your employer boots you to hire three FOBs with temp visas, because "they took our jerrrbs!!" *chuckle* *snark*
Okay, that was 11 years ago but the page is still up there.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 05, 2014 08:40 PM (3kZUM)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 05, 2014 08:40 PM (F0Cog)
bit.ly/ZbsgU9
bit.ly/1quzCwp
bit.ly/1nBkE2Z
Enjoy.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 07:59 PM (0zVEV)
Remember, those who rant about "equality" and how "the people" will be the basis for power/control, are the same ones who build up their own personal satropies and form cabals to advance their interests.
Posted by: The Hat Game at September 05, 2014 08:40 PM (lN8KC)
Pig climber?
Posted by: CM at September 05, 2014 08:39 PM (0NdlF)
More like "pig mounter"
Posted by: Schweinsteiger at September 05, 2014 08:40 PM (Y6xQZ)
I believe the German word for "orange juice" is something like "Orangensaft". When I tried to pronounce it for the first time in Germany, because I wanted some, the vendor apologized for how bad the German language is. Of course he was being very polite, but he may also have been onto something.
...
german has all that endless declension shit and three different genders for nouns, and that's annoying (French is actually SIMPLER in terms of gender and declensions), and yeah, that's not simple like English is, but it is close to English in other ways.
when you get past basic stuff like vowel pronunciations and consonant clusters that exist in English but are uncommon, it does seem to me to sound more like English than French does.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:40 PM (/FnUH)
The other fun one is Latin. There's a book called Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, which is entirely in Latin. Learning that way is extremely easy. It's just a matter of spending time on it consistently.
Which is hard to do when you have a job and a family that makes the job necessary.
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 08:41 PM (pR/At)
That's because everything lined up just right in that case. Consider the dativ case, or the many variations on things like "haben gehaben desagt" (that may not be right, I never mastered the language) required to get out some very simple ideas with the proper time signature.
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 08:42 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Tatted, Rested and Ready at September 05, 2014 08:42 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Freedom of the cudgel at September 05, 2014 08:42 PM (hNREx)
German is as about as sexy as male castration with a rusty spoon.
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I read and watch a lot of WWII books and videos. Often times, like in the "World at War" series, they will be interviewing a German who doesn't speak English, translating what they are saying with subtitles. I've always had the sense that what is being printed in the subtitles doesn't translate into English quite what they were saying. I hate to use the word "nuance" (only because it has been so overworked by the Obama fellators) but that's what is missing. If I could understand what they are saying I might have a better understanding of what they are truly trying to say.
Posted by: lfw - 14 days to retirement at September 05, 2014 08:42 PM (vVSOO)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:42 PM (sDQVM)
Bellator is the #2 mma org after UFC. Airs on Spike.
TNA is the #2 pro wrestling org after WWE. Also airs on Spike. Lashley is the TNA heavyweight champ.
Spike is trying for some mma/pro wrestling crossover ... something. Kinds dumb.
Lashley is a giant, jacked-up black dude. Crazy muscled. he just beat up some fat white guy with his gut hanging over faux roman solder fight shorts.
Silliness.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 08:43 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: Epobirs at September 05, 2014 08:43 PM (IdCqF)
......he posts on the internet...
***
My goodness, he's concerned, isn't he?
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:43 PM (sDQVM)
Posted by: Schweinsteiger at September 05, 2014 08:40 PM (Y6xQZ)
With some names, it is better to not even think about translating them.
Posted by: Arnold Schwarzenegger at September 05, 2014 08:43 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:42 PM (sDQVM)
English a language that beat a bunch of other languages unconscious, went through their pockets and stole what it wanted. It happened to take the most from German.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Tatted, Rested and Ready at September 05, 2014 08:44 PM (GEICT)
Anyway, he had some lady from the Washington Post on. She was complaining that O'Reilly had used the term "that woman" in referring to Heifer Harf. Using the the term "that woman" was supposedly condescending and sexist.
Of course if O'Reilly had wanted to be accurate, he could have used the term "that asshole" in referring to any of the three of them. But he got pummeled for using the term "that woman".
Posted by: Comanche Voter at September 05, 2014 08:45 PM (wdHk6)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 08:45 PM (NeFrd)
Pretty good beatdown, overall. of course, deaf ears and all that happy horseshit.
Posted by: Art Cognomen, Sad, confused corgi at September 05, 2014 08:46 PM (dkesm)
lefigaro.fr is my main one, but I have my twitter feed filled with French feeds from dozens of papers, le monde, les echoes, le nouveau observateur, huffpo francais, slate francais (really), etc. Shit I have french psychology feeds in there.
My theory for this is that frequent contact breeds familiarity, so if I just get used to seeing and reading french in my twitter feed, I will jsut sort of naturally (without feeling like I'm "studying") get familiar with it.
As I said, I think it's a good theory, but I can't swear that it's definitely better than a more textbook-based system.
Obviously you will also have to have certain websites bookmarked: Wordreference.com (great, great dictionary for 20 different languages), and wiktionary.fr (french definitions and etymologies in french; sometimes more useful than WordReference), and sometimes I like to read stuff in wikipedia.fr (french wikipedia).
Google translate is okay in a pinch but I prefer wordreference and wiktionary.fr.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:46 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 05, 2014 08:46 PM (2cS/G)
***
Except when followed by the words "Miss Lewinsky."
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:46 PM (sDQVM)
But the core is a Germanic language. And the English ethnic group are a German tribe.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 08:47 PM (zwdxl)
***
My goodness, he's concerned, isn't he?
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:43 PM (sDQVM)
fk it. I really don't care if you do or don't. Was simply trying to help
And I don't know you so... knock yourselves out.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 08:47 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 08:47 PM (Cq0oW)
They have a tendency to want to shove multiple words together into one long word.
It's sort of neat but after awhile I found myself trying to do it with English words.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 08:47 PM (oFCZn)
Using the the term "that woman" was supposedly condescending and sexist.
I prefer the term "bitch". As in "set me up".
Posted by: M. Barry at September 05, 2014 08:47 PM (4nR9/)
She actually defended him better than he did.
Posted by: Kas(ktgreat) at September 05, 2014 08:48 PM (Bl4dy)
okay you're right; I am aware that there are some very, very strange word-order choices in german (and this is the shit that really bugs me, the deviation from the natural logic of english word order).
But the fact is that English is the world's simplest language to learn. All other languages have all of this fucking nonsense going on in them that English largely abandoned.
So, all languages (besides our own) are going to be hard to learn.
i mean, at least German isn't Russian.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (sDQVM)
Probably the 'r' got you. Can't go wrong with "O-saft".
You are conflating "orderly," which it is, with "simple," which it is not.
Difficult for an English (and probably Spanish) speaker's first foreign language because we don't know a thing about syntax. I wonder if it's harder for a German to learn English- "this can't be right- where are the damned rules!"
Posted by: t-bird at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (hqVUe)
http://tinyurl.com/mktr
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (qyomX)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg0fmaCSDPg
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (jucos)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (3H4Zj)
Women just don't write enough about the topic of presenting.
Posted by: Fritz at September 05, 2014 08:50 PM (C0dQz)
***
Suddenly I understand why Obama always voted "Present."
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:51 PM (sDQVM)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (3H4Zj)
It's not easy when they put the verb fapping at the end of a long sentence.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 08:51 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Leonard Pinth Garnell at September 05, 2014 08:51 PM (4nR9/)
I'm sure the original Flint Men tongue was fairly regular ... until they decided to prove how smart they were by learning the most insane constructs they could steal from every sword swinging a-hole that jumped them.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 08:52 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:49 PM (sDQVM)
oh. that was the comment where you were being cute but hateful, but like in a gay way.
Yeah.
Think that went out in 1996.
Work on it.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 08:52 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:42 PM (sDQVM)
English a language that beat a bunch of other languages unconscious,
went through their pockets and stole what it wanted. It happened to
take the most from German.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Tatted, Rested and Ready at September 05, 2014 08:44 PM (GEICT)
Lol. I've always thought it interesting that English is such a hodge-podge, in terms of grammar and vocabulary. Hell, I was watching a movie, in English, with Norwegian subtitles, and I could recognize about every third word. Norwegian, for heaven's sake! England hasn't been ruled by Norse speakers since 1035, and yet the languages retain some similarity. Strange stuff.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 05, 2014 08:52 PM (iRaJO)
Any American fizzy drink is better than German Sprudel of any flavor.
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 08:52 PM (4+Wfi)
it's less important that english stole from other languages that it is that it mixed with multiple languages,* which caused English to become a pidgin, a creole, with the stripped down grammars that pidgins tend to have, and it wound up being a language that was largely subtracted from -- and it's kind of a cool thing, because it turns out you don't *need* all that other crap for a language to be intelligible.
* like early on Old English (a Germanic language, with German declensions) was spoken at the same time that actual German was, and while both languages had all these declensions and cases, *they had different declensions and cases,* and they wound up getting rid of the declensions and most cases so they could communicate with each other in stripped-down German.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:53 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:53 PM (sDQVM)
German phone sex has to be pretty horrific sounding, right?
You either just had an orgasm or invaded Poland. I'm not sure which.
Possibly both.
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 08:53 PM (4nR9/)
Now.
What you posted is pretty common knowledge I thought. What are you saying that makes it so dangerous now?
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 08:54 PM (ahBY0)
Not so much. Sure, the yoga pants smooth over some smaller details, but so does the naked spray-paint heroic style.
Posted by: Synova at September 05, 2014 08:54 PM (aez/F)
They will get warrants based on algorithmic predictions in the near future unless we take a stand now.
Never underestimate the enemy.
Posted by: Freedom of the cudgel at September 05, 2014 08:54 PM (hNREx)
Merci beaucoup for the recommendations. Looks like I have some new reading material for this weekend.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 05, 2014 08:54 PM (iRaJO)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 08:42 PM (sDQVM)
Not anymore!
Posted by: William the Bastard at September 05, 2014 08:55 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 08:56 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 08:56 PM (4nR9/)
Merci beaucoup for the recommendations. Looks like I have some new reading material for this weekend.
Other than the Fappening, of course.
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 08:56 PM (pR/At)
A bunch of techs from other countries will use it to discuss work with each other ... and then stare in incomprehension when a British English speaker joins the convo ... until he figures it out and dumbs it down to H1B English.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 08:56 PM (0zVEV)
"The Germans have an inhuman way of cutting up their verbs. Now a verb has a hard time enough of it in this world when it's all together. It's downright inhuman to split it up. But that's just what those Germans do. They take part of a verb and put it down here, like a stake, and they take the other part of it and put it away over yonder like another stake, and between these two limits they just shovel in German."
Posted by: Donna and V. at September 05, 2014 08:57 PM (+XMAD)
Norwegian is North Germanic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germanic_languages
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 08:57 PM (zwdxl)
Now.
What you posted is pretty common knowledge I thought. What are you saying that makes it so dangerous now?
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 08:54 PM (ahBY0)
Define "Common"
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 08:57 PM (ejb/Q)
A bunch of techs from other countries will use it to discuss work with each other ... and then stare in incomprehension when a British English speaker joins the convo ... until he figures it out and dumbs it down to H1B English.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 08:56 PM (0zVEV)
Yeah English has scads of exceptions that make it rough.
Other languages do to, of course, but English has a shitload.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 08:58 PM (oFCZn)
another thing, if you learn a language, I've found that news shows make for the easiest watching, because:
1. They speak clearly.
2. They're in a studio with no exterior noise.
3. They speak textbook language, which, you know, is what you're learning, rather than the actual slanguage people actually speak (and that will have to come later)
4. You usually know basically what they're talking about, so that helps.
5. There are pictures to illustrate the story, so that helps.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:59 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 08:54 PM (ahBY0)
Define "Common"
Sorry DA. I work left - right so your presupposition is important to define before I can answer the gist of your question.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 08:59 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: rickl at September 05, 2014 09:00 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 09:00 PM (4+Wfi)
English is fraught with that stuff though. If you've ever heard Brian Regan do his stand up about learning words in school it kind of highlights that.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 09:00 PM (oFCZn)
* like early on Old English (a Germanic language, with German declensions) was spoken at the same time that actual German was, and while both languages had all these declensions and cases, *they had different declensions and cases,* and they wound up getting rid of the declensions and most cases so they could communicate with each other in stripped-down German.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 08:53 PM (/FnUH)
Sometimes it becomes more complex.
You know how "hillbilly" speak has some verbs give the pre-fix "a-" (as in "he's a-leavin'" rather than "he's leaving")?
They are applied in some cases, but not others.
Many more isolated languages are particularly strong in things like this, as well as heavy declanations, a plethora of tenses, &c.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_English#A-Verb-ing
BTW:
Ace, you should post some more linguistic posts.
Posted by: The Linguistic Hat at September 05, 2014 09:01 PM (lN8KC)
1. They speak clearly.
2. They're in a studio with no exterior noise.
3. They speak textbook language, which, you know, is what you're
learning, rather than the actual slanguage people actually speak (and
that will have to come later)
4. You usually know basically what they're talking about, so that helps.
5. There are pictures to illustrate the story, so that helps.
Unless you're watching Al Sharpton. In that case, only 2 and 5 apply.
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 09:01 PM (4nR9/)
"Whenever the literary German dives into a sentence, that is the last you are going to see of him until he emerges on the other side of his Atlantic with his verb in his mouth."
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 09:01 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 09:01 PM (hqVUe)
My Grandma made me memorize Beowulf in Old English. It scarred me forever.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:01 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:01 PM (ejb/Q)
***
I miss their commercials with the hot sweaty chicks.
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 09:03 PM (sDQVM)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 09:03 PM (ahBY0)
Just doesn't have the same ring as "her name was Lola, she was a showgirl".
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 09:03 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 09:00 PM (4+Wfi)
Spricaþ Ænglisc oþþe ácwilaþ
Posted by: Se Léodweardprætt Hæt at September 05, 2014 09:04 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:04 PM (0zVEV)
I kind of thought he'd sound different. It seems, however, that in this video he's somewhat tame compared to his articles on his site.
What made me laugh is when he talks about body parts not being inherently sexual, he rattles off a list and appropriate pictures appear, and when he gets to "vaginas", a picture of Bill O'Reilly comes up momentarily.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 05, 2014 09:04 PM (DO37j)
Common
widespread; general; ordinary
"common knowledge"
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 09:03 PM (ahBY0)
yes, Webster. I kinda already knew the definition. Your implied sarcasm doesn't help. What I want to know is what YOU were thinking then you said "common"
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:05 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: rickl at September 05, 2014 09:00 PM (sdi6R)
Everybody still has their eyes.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 09:06 PM (oFCZn)
English has more exceptions than rules. Its rules are made out of exceptions stitched together. It's bullshit, really.
But that's what makes it the most versatile and the most poetic, at the same time. And the best for comedy, hands down.
German is great for law and science. So is Latin. And they're both utterly devoid of humor. (It's the regularity and lack of ambiguity.) English is shit for law and science, because of the constant evolution, which opens the door for easy manipulation.
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 09:06 PM (pR/At)
Posted by: Frontiersman at September 05, 2014 09:06 PM (hNREx)
And then what a hundred years later? And another? Will we have adopted a uni-language?
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 05, 2014 09:07 PM (WS+CW)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 09:07 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 09:03 PM (ahBY0)
...relative to the topic at hand.
I'd assumed you'd know that; but from your replies? I'm beginning to waver.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:08 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 09:09 PM (4+Wfi)
***
Time for another look at Esperanto?
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 09:09 PM (7XKHI)
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 09:09 PM (4+Wfi)
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 05, 2014 09:09 PM (iRaJO)
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 05, 2014 09:07 PM (WS+CW)
Yes.
Now shut up and enjoy your socialist paradise...
Posted by: Starfleet Sub-Prime directive at September 05, 2014 09:09 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:09 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: The Barrel at September 05, 2014 09:10 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Theodore Rex at September 05, 2014 09:10 PM (4+Wfi)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 09:10 PM (oFCZn)
Pictures of Kate Upton's big tits are viewable online now. Pretty much what you'd expect.
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 09:10 PM (pR/At)
I've read that, in general, the isolated outposts of a language stagnate. It is the main language that changes.
Appalachian is supposedly close to what Colonial English was, French Canadian is similar to what 18th century French was, southern English is similar to what some region in England used to sound like, Pennsylvania Dutch is close to what a dialect (Plattdeutsch? I forget) used to sound like.
Posted by: t-bird at September 05, 2014 09:10 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 09:11 PM (7XKHI)
Posted by: Frontiersman at September 05, 2014 09:11 PM (hNREx)
i was reading mcwhorter's book, our magnificent bastard tongue, and he was talking about this "a-" prefix, I think he said we stole that from Celtic, but I forget.
I think he said it was used as... i don't know, I forget. I guess as a participle-marker? It came from something like the Celtic "on," so it was originally "on-hunting," then the "n" was dropped, then people realized they didn't need the a- either.
I know the basic construction "I went a-hunting" is pretty old.
we still use it, infrequently, not just appalachians. "a new day a-borning," stuff like that.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:11 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 09:11 PM (hqVUe)
Posted by: Liz Taylor's tight diamonds at September 05, 2014 09:11 PM (ZFu22)
A thousand years from now, only a few million language geeks will know Esperanto.
Same number as today.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:12 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 09:07 PM (ahBY0)
you asked, and correct me where I'm wrong, if (implied) my post was redundant because everyone already knew to trash their cell phones?
Facts in evidence contract your assumption.
People don't trash their cell phones.
Then you said it's "common" knowledge, which either:
1) people ignore or
2) isn't true
So I asked you to define "common"
I am one motherfucker to debate.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:12 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 09:13 PM (oFCZn)
A lot of those hillbillies were originally from places like Scotland. They didn't steal a-verbing ... they brought it with them.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:13 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:14 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:15 PM (Cq0oW)
i know, obviously we all brought the language from England.
the a- prefix was a participle marker taken from Celtic, I think, later dropped as unnecessary in most strains of English.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:16 PM (/FnUH)
Excuse the stupid, but why ditch the SIM?
Posted by: creeper at September 05, 2014 09:16 PM (bb34T)
Pictures of Kate Upton's big tits are viewable online now. Pretty much what you'd expect.
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 09:10 PM (pR/At)
I have not yet successfully found them.
Posted by: rickl at September 05, 2014 09:16 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:14 PM (/FnUH)
Why not Spanish?
Actually, you're good to go with French, Italian, and Spanish. Learning the last two should be much easier with the French under your belt.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 09:16 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:14 PM (/FnUH)
As much latin as appears in our language and culture, I doubt you'll have much trouble.
I bet it will come a lot more naturally than French.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Tatted, Rested and Ready at September 05, 2014 09:16 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Port 1080 at September 05, 2014 09:16 PM (oR4fS)
Is #BadForBidness and #BidnessIsGOOD
Posted by: Zoe Pound (Bee-Autches!!11!!) at September 05, 2014 09:18 PM (SCB1g)
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:18 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:15 PM (Cq0oW)
--Frisian is the closest language to English, but both are Germanic Languages.
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:18 PM (Y6xQZ)
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:12 PM (ejb/Q)
I don't usually dive into arguments uninvited, but when I read your initial post, my first thought was, 'I wonder if T9 has some new information that the rest of us aren't aware of.' Most of us know that the internet is a risky place, but I thought maybe you had discovered some proof that Panopticon is closer than we thought.
Not sure if this is what dumbartist is thinking, but I know that's what went through my mind.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (iRaJO)
Debate and getting down to the grimy grits of words have meaning is good exercise. And If you take my original post and
well, yer saying "DUH! Eberyone Nows Dat!"
And can prove me wrong? I'll kindly accept defeat and... fuck it...I'll pay you a $500 winning fee on Paypal.
You kinda have to prove that the "common" knowledge elicits a response.... and hooooowdy boy. That's.
Well.
Heh.
Good luck.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (ejb/Q)
Spanish will be a gimme at that point which will allow you to travel anywhere south of the border! ...the Canadian border.
Posted by: t-bird at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (ahBY0)
After French, adding Italian is easy, for a native English speaker. But German is cool. It's the under-structure of English.
For a native English speaker, learning both French and German is a lot of fun, since English is basically German that's been Frenchified. It's interesting to see the two root languages, in their original forms.
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (pR/At)
yeah I was thinking that, but I do have a romantic attraction to Italian.
Though Spanish seems kind of easy, compared to these other joker languages.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (/FnUH)
ncj is at the main gate , you're good to go .
Careful though , he will shoot yer' dawg .
Posted by: awkward davies at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (Z+Mqb)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 05, 2014 09:20 PM (fIv/H)
Posted by: Leonard Pinth Garnell at September 05, 2014 08:51 PM (4nR9/)
True, but only because:
(1) You can ignore the fact that it's a political song
(2) I like to pretend that "luftballons" means "breasts", which makes the song much more fun. Can't do that if you understand the lyrics.
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 09:20 PM (qyomX)
i was thinking that, but now everyone's convinced me that German is a joker language.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:20 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Tatted, Rested and Ready at September 05, 2014 09:20 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Zoe Pound (Bee-Autches!!11!!) at September 05, 2014 09:20 PM (SCB1g)
Posted by: German at September 05, 2014 09:21 PM (7XKHI)
If you can speak English, French, and Arabic, you can get by in most parts of Ebola-land.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:21 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:15 PM (Cq0oW)
Ace just wants to get into my pants.
Posted by: Monica Bellucci at September 05, 2014 09:21 PM (Y6xQZ)
Posted by: Frontiersman at September 05, 2014 09:21 PM (hNREx)
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:22 PM (/FnUH)
You referred to what you have seen in the last 25 days. What HAVE you seen?
Posted by: creeper at September 05, 2014 09:22 PM (bb34T)
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 09:10 PM (pR/At)
I have not yet successfully found them.
Use Bing images, and turn off the Safe Search crap. "Upton Fappening" should do it.
So I'm told.
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 09:23 PM (pR/At)
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:23 PM (Y6xQZ)
yeah I was thinking that, but I do have a romantic attraction to Italian.
Though Spanish seems kind of easy, compared to these other joker languages.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (/FnUH)
Romanian is a romance language too.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2014 09:23 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:15 PM (Cq0oW)
Bûter, brea, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34
Posted by: ᛋᛖ ᛚᛇᛞᚹᛠᚱᛞᛈᚱᚫᛏᛏ at September 05, 2014 09:23 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 09:23 PM (hqVUe)
But the learning curve is a bit steep ( not as bad as Russian ) for a native English speaker. And it isn't as useful while travelling, unless you are visiting three countries in Europe ... or conquering France.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:23 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:24 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 09:24 PM (7XKHI)
Posted by: awkward davies at September 05, 2014 09:24 PM (Z+Mqb)
Posted by: Zoe Pound (Bee-Autches!!11!!) at September 05, 2014 09:25 PM (SCB1g)
what i said
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:24 PM (Cq0oW)
--No, it was not. The implication was that Frisian is not a Germanic language.
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:25 PM (Y6xQZ)
Posted by: Monica Bellucci
Yeah, he tried that en francais with me, but I wasn't buying.
Posted by: Sophie Marceau at September 05, 2014 09:25 PM (4nR9/)
anyway, I assumed the french word for brassiere would be, naturally enough, brassiere.
but it's not. The french word for brassiere, itself a french word, is soutien-gorge.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:26 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:26 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: Vincent Vega - DOA at September 05, 2014 09:27 PM (SCB1g)
Salma Hayek .
Posted by: awkward davies at September 05, 2014 09:27 PM (Z+Mqb)
In the book "Albion's Seed," the author, David Hackett Fischer, writes that different parts of the American colonists drew settlers from different parts of Britain and the differences between, say, New England/Boston accents and Southern accents stem from that. The New England Puritans came from East Anglia and the Virginians came from Cornwell and the Southwest of England. British accents are still pretty localized; they were much more so back in the 16th and 17th century. People from East Anglia, Somerset, the border regions (where the back-country southerners came from) ,and the English Midlands (settled in Pennsylvania and Delaware) would barely have been able to understand each other back in the 16th century.
Posted by: Donna and V. at September 05, 2014 09:28 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:28 PM (Y6xQZ)
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 09:28 PM (/FnUH)
nope. i implied frisian was not german, which it isn't. you inferred something else.
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:28 PM (Cq0oW)
My philological studies have satisfied me that a gifted person ought to learn English (barring spelling and pronouncing) in thirty hours, French in thirty days, and German in thirty years. It seems manifest, then, that the latter tongue ought to be trimmed down and repaired. If it is to remain as it is, it ought to be gently and reverently set aside among the dead languages, for only the dead have time to learn it.
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 09:29 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Jeff B., Professor Emeritus of AoSHQ RINO Studies at September 05, 2014 09:29 PM (Vl+cm)
when I read your initial post, my first thought was, 'I wonder if T9 has
some new information that the rest of us aren't aware of.' Most of us
know that the internet is a risky place, but I thought maybe you had
discovered some proof that Panopticon is closer than we thought.
Not sure if this is what dumbartist is thinking, but I know that's what went through my mind.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 05, 2014 09:19 PM (iRaJO)
just don't put anything online.
Now look. I post here. and you can google me and get 0. In fact, if you google my real name, you get nonsense.
On one level it's just algorithms that Joe went to work, joe went home. joe went to his mom's, joe went to ice capades... that shit gets filtered out.
Joe lives in Cleveland, has a job HQ'd in Galveston and he made a trip to Butte, MT?
make a note. Logged. Tagged. Filed in the database.
what dumbartist is missing is the ideal that this nation was founded upon individuals, not groups or collectives. What I do and where I go is none of your fucking business.
I could expand, but I can't: cuz: JAIL!
just drop your cell phones. buy a car that doesn't have GPS (that cash for clunkers thing? you think that was just a random plan? nono, kids, that was to get non-gps vehicles out of the grid)
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:30 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 09:30 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Donna and V. at September 05, 2014 09:30 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 09:30 PM (hqVUe)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 05, 2014 09:30 PM (3H4Zj)
Posted by: Donna and V. at September 05, 2014 09:28 PM (+XMAD)
--Tangier Island, Virginia, i the middle of Chesapeake Bay was the most extreme example of this, although I have read that satellite TV and radio have diluted its dialect in recent years.
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:30 PM (Y6xQZ)
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 09:31 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:31 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 09:31 PM (4nR9/)
So was the crapper, which is kind of a mind-blower.
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 09:31 PM (qyomX)
I think it comes from the prefix ge- (pronounced ye-; the "g" is actually a yogh) which is present in Old English, as in gecnawan "understand."
Posted by: Grey Fox at September 05, 2014 09:33 PM (B/yEP)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 05, 2014 09:33 PM (3H4Zj)
About all I remember for Korean are swear words, ordering beer, and calling in an artillery strike.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 05, 2014 09:34 PM (4CVLy)
(Got dozens of language books, should know this.)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 05, 2014 09:34 PM (fIv/H)
who posted that? That dude's lost his shit!
Sorry horde. I get an "F"
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:34 PM (ejb/Q)
***
We can but hope.
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 09:35 PM (7XKHI)
Ages ago...don't tell me, someone else's theory already? Figures. These days I'm seldom as clever as I think I am. Crap, Harrison Ford was just a kid back then.
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 05, 2014 09:35 PM (WS+CW)
***
What more could you possibly need?
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 09:35 PM (7XKHI)
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 09:35 PM (7XKHI)
Lots of practice eating kimchi, so you don't embarrass yourself the first time you eat with an actual Korean person?
Posted by: Splunge at September 05, 2014 09:36 PM (qyomX)
***
No worries here T9. You're okay by me. Stay safe.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 09:37 PM (NeFrd)
***
If you're going to be eating kimchi, you should probably also know how to ask where the shitter is.
Posted by: cool arrow at September 05, 2014 09:37 PM (7XKHI)
Posted by: pep at September 05, 2014 08:56 PM (4nR9/)"
Disagreed. There are few things sexier than a woman moaning "Senpai, no" as you.....err, I mean, I agree, Japanese is terrible.
If you excuse me I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 05, 2014 09:38 PM (3H4Zj)
I keep a cellphone in the glove box for car emergencies. It sits in a faraday pouch, and is replaced with another disposable cellphone at the end of the year. And don't get me started on cars with onboard cellphones.
And googling my real name will get you nowhere.
Yea, some of us have been on BBSes and the Internet forever, and find the kiddies' habit of letting it all hang out very stupid.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:38 PM (0zVEV)
Posted by: Am I a miaphysite?!? at September 05, 2014 09:39 PM (hNREx)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:28 PM (Cq0oW)
--Blame it on the alcohol, I do.
Anways, you wrote:
324 English is germanic but it's actually frisian, not german at all.
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:15 PM (Cq0oW)
--So yeah, English is not German but who was arguing it was? English is not Frisian either. My inference was that you had Frisian as a separate sub-family, when it's just a language.
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:39 PM (Y6xQZ)
I met Bart back when I was in college. Toured his studio. Lots of work in progress. He signed my Violator #1. Super nice.
Dude also has a replica of Conan's sword, so there's that too.
Posted by: grognard at September 05, 2014 09:39 PM (84WkV)
upon individuals, not groups or collectives. What I do and where I go is
none of your fucking business.
Hells bells ol' boy, I even knew that. I don't want to know your fucking business, I come here to learn what I don't know. Your posts add a certain edge to the blog that I like and I wanted to know more, that's it brother, can I buy you a beer?
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 09:40 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 05, 2014 09:37 PM (NeFrd)
Yeah dude, stay safe.
Kinda sorta speaking of, aren't you up awfully damn late???
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Tatted, Rested and Ready at September 05, 2014 09:40 PM (GEICT)
So I have a 2011 Challenger with no GPS. Can it be tracked?
Posted by: creeper at September 05, 2014 09:40 PM (bb34T)
Posted by: botnet at September 05, 2014 09:40 PM (ZJrnQ)
Posted by: creeper
-------------------
maybe not tracked but retraced via its own special black box.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at September 05, 2014 09:41 PM (4Mv1T)
Very close to American accent with some Irish it seems.
http://tinyurl.com/obofbja
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 05, 2014 09:41 PM (fIv/H)
Posted by: creeper at September 05, 2014 09:42 PM (bb34T)
I'm staring through half-open eyes... but you little bastards, rotten lot of you, are good folk.
And if it matters? I wear the horde patch.
See you in 20 days. This one's gonna be tough. No: no prayers. 'ems been done.
night.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:42 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 05, 2014 09:34 PM (4CVLy)
--In an episode of House (I believe the one where there was an outbreak on a flight he and Cuddy were taking), when dealing with a Korean on the plane wh spoke no English,Dr. House said the only Korean he knew was "Is you sister 18?"
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:43 PM (Y6xQZ)
No, but the g-sensor/speedometer data that controls the airbags can be downloaded by a mechanic after a subpoena.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:43 PM (0zVEV)
Eew.
Posted by: Food's ok, but the sex seems weird at September 05, 2014 09:44 PM (hNREx)
maybe not tracked but retraced via its own special black box.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at September 05, 2014 09:41 PM (4Mv1T)
*******************************************
Thanks, TR. If the car don't get me the cell phone will.
Posted by: creeper at September 05, 2014 09:44 PM (bb34T)
You're probably thinking of 'Tobermory' by 'Saki' (H. H. Munro). The character is an Englishman, not a mahout, and the elixir makes animals able to talk, not abnormally intelligent, but he is killed by an elephant he's trying to teach German irregular verbs. (The main talking animal is Tobermory, a cat.) There should be texts on the web, since it's out of copyright (Munro was shot by a German sniper in 1916).
Posted by: Dr. Weevil at September 05, 2014 09:44 PM (o1mEh)
Burton learned 30+ languages the old fashioned way - sleeping with prostitutes. The biography itself goes into detail about the different parts of his career.
Highlights:
1) Was the first white guy to get into Mecca during the Hadj
2) Expedition for the source of the Nile
3) took a spear to the face
Burton's take on the Arabs is still the most accurate thing I've read on the subject.
Highly recommended
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 05, 2014 09:45 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 09:45 PM (hqVUe)
Posted by: creeper at September 05, 2014 09:46 PM (bb34T)
And a town named Spread Eagle in northern Wisconsin
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 05, 2014 09:46 PM (WS+CW)
Pulling it and powering the phone off will probably make it untrackable.
Although I don't think pulling it will work with a powered up smartphone and a rogue tower.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:46 PM (0zVEV)
no one. the comparison was german to english and the observation was english is germanic, and etc etc
its really not that big a deal.
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:47 PM (Cq0oW)
I'm fixin to get my.... whatcha callit... groove? on?
yeah that.
night life and ferraris. High heels.... PARTY!
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 09:48 PM (ejb/Q)
No, it only removes the subscriber info from the phone. The hardware it self has at least one GUID and that is likely in the carrier records if you bought the phone at the same time as the subscription or from the same carrier.
If the phone is on without a SIM installed, you can still call 911. And the tower can report the phone's live existence.
Posted by: Epobirs at September 05, 2014 09:49 PM (IdCqF)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:47 PM (Cq0oW)
--Damn straight.
Time to fix another Kir.
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:49 PM (Y6xQZ)
Posted by: Food's ok, but the sex seems weird at September 05, 2014 09:44 PM (hNREx)"
Yeah, I messed up, should have said "Senpai, iie.."
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 05, 2014 09:50 PM (3H4Zj)
Posted by: Luigi's Index Finger at September 05, 2014 09:50 PM (OqeDl)
My rule of thumb when travelling is to order something that's between the third most expensive and the third least expensive thing on the menu.
I violated that rule in Germany when I looked at the menu and pointed to the item that I wanted (no pictures, just German words) I got a plate of cold jellied luncheon meats with, I think, sliced turnips.
Good beer though.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 05, 2014 09:50 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe at September 05, 2014 09:50 PM (Dwehj)
Pulling it and powering the phone off will probably make it untrackable.
Although I don't think pulling it will work with a powered up smartphone and a rogue tower.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:46 PM (0zVEV)
I happen to know a thing or two about this subject.
The only way to neuter a cell phone is to pull the battery. Powering it off is *not* enough.
Pulling the sim card just means you can't get service through a tower. It doesn't mean the mobile antenna stops working.
Posted by: grognard at September 05, 2014 09:50 PM (84WkV)
His friend's wife had a son. She's doing well. He was a big baby.
Sign me up for a government job!
Posted by: Lauren at September 05, 2014 09:51 PM (BPMYx)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 05, 2014 09:51 PM (fIv/H)
Posted by: eureka! at September 05, 2014 09:51 PM (S8gBU)
The first nonMuslim white guy to do that.
Plenty of whites did and do the Hajj - Iranians were first, but also plenty of Balkan converts and those crazy Chechens. Not to mention converts from the West.
Islam is not a race.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 05, 2014 09:51 PM (3kZUM)
--I forgot, did Burton and Speke "discover" Lake Victoria, or was it a different Nile source? When I was a teenager I had all those explorers down pat in my memory.
Posted by: logprof at September 05, 2014 09:51 PM (Y6xQZ)
Who says Person of Interest is a fictional show? Methinks we're living it.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 05, 2014 09:51 PM (iRaJO)
up as a giant spider and video taped peoples reaction to him? Pretty
funny, and a good job at making a doggie spider suit.
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 07:53 PM (hqVUe).I would feel really bad after dumping two magazines into that poor little puppy, afterwards, but during the shooting I would be screaming in terror like a little girl.
(only two mags because I don't usually carry more)
Posted by: Kindltot at September 05, 2014 09:52 PM (t//F+)
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:52 PM (0zVEV)
He needed a full team of camels just to carry his balls
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 05, 2014 09:53 PM (3kZUM)
UFC never runs on Friday. But they did tonight just to screw with Bellator and try to hurt their ratings.
Bellator is trying to add a lot more pro wrestling style stuff. They just had a fake brawl between Tito Ortiz and Bonnar -- two ex-UFC guys. Calling each other drug addicts and their wives whores (Ortiz wife was Jenna Jameson so ...).
But it was obviously a planned deal. Kinda silly. Trying to anything to get eyeballs, though. Bellator can't claim to have the best, though, cause UFC has the best, so they have to try something different.
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 09:53 PM (zwdxl)
Now to go watch Bret Baier's interview with the Benghazi guys.
Posted by: creeper at September 05, 2014 09:55 PM (bb34T)
Posted by: le Farm de Pepperidge at September 05, 2014 09:56 PM (Cq0oW)
I love this place in cyberspace! Thanks, Ace.
Posted by: hNREx at September 05, 2014 09:57 PM (hNREx)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 05, 2014 09:57 PM (ifYgX)
Thanx for the info. I figured there was a reason I keep the fucker in a faraday bag.
Posted by: Kristophr at September 05, 2014 09:52 PM (0zVEV)
Always a good plan. Better plan is just not to take the bug with you if you don't want to be bugged.
'Cause that's what it is. A locator beacon and a bug.
Posted by: grognard at September 05, 2014 09:58 PM (84WkV)
Posted by: dumbartist at September 05, 2014 09:58 PM (ahBY0)
Thanks for the protip. I purchased the book one minute ago on your recommendation.
Posted by: botnet at September 05, 2014 09:59 PM (ZJrnQ)
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 05, 2014 10:00 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe at September 05, 2014 10:00 PM (Dwehj)
DVR'ing! RT @BretBaier: #13Hours at #Benghazi starts now on @foxnews @FNReporting
Posted by: Captain Caveman at September 05, 2014 10:00 PM (zwdxl)
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 05, 2014 09:46 PM (WS+CW)
I always chuckle when I drive through Beaver, WI.
Posted by: botnet at September 05, 2014 10:03 PM (ZJrnQ)
Posted by: tinfoil baby at September 05, 2014 10:04 PM (hqVUe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlA_YXDm9bg&index=2&list=PLJ2fDHMSFWCYID2B6hxZk50dr7gNWf8_H
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2014 10:08 PM (/FnUH)
you moms n dads out there pass this on:
ALWAY swap mags prior to an assault. I don't care if Jesus himself came down and told you you didn't fire 1 single round, you swap mags for a full load.
MFER. If we had trees there'd be three in the bucket doing upsidedown koala bears.
change mags. ain't hard. You have 8 of them in your IBA. move left to right. (this is my calm voice... my other voice is: ARE YA FUCKING IGNANT! YOU WANNA DIE?!
woooshhhaaaa
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 10:13 PM (ejb/Q)
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 10:18 PM (ejb/Q)
And then at the end of the day, the little nuts will crawl into your shirt and go to sleep. Nice little guys to have around.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at September 05, 2014 10:19 PM (mIp/5)
So don't fuck up.
Posted by: TangoNine at September 05, 2014 10:20 PM (ejb/Q)
As it is a romance language. *snrk*
I am so pathetic.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 05, 2014 10:21 PM (t//F+)
Sgt. Hulka?
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 05, 2014 10:36 PM (WS+CW)
Posted by: Phinn at September 05, 2014 10:38 PM (i5GO4)
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 05, 2014 10:41 PM (WS+CW)
Of course, complaining about this fact at the sites vaporized immediately, and trying to discuss the matter with people of similar interests usually does nothing but glaze their eyes over. Now, though...finally it's boiled over enough to get significant attention, and perhaps we can look forward to a routing of the Social Justice Whiners who have been ruining our hobbies, obsessions, and loves with endless angst and guilt trips.
Posted by: S at September 05, 2014 10:53 PM (NhLdG)
Posted by: Neo at September 05, 2014 11:13 PM (ZIKwo)
http://tinyurl.com/km8tlcq
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 06, 2014 12:02 AM (glk59)
Posted by: Synova at September 06, 2014 12:08 AM (aez/F)
as someone who tried to DRAW THE MARVEL WAY (a book they put out), let
me assure you, they're drawing nudes, just without genitals or nipples.
even the most muscular guy's muscles are not visible through a shirt.
Sheeeeeit, Captain America can flash a 6-pack through chain mail!
Well, so can I but in my case it's the results of the 6-pack.
The many, many six-packs.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at September 06, 2014 02:25 AM (XO6WW)
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