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Tony Stewart Runs Over and Kills Fellow Driver In Race
This article suggests reasons to doubt that this was intentional.
Early reports, and video of the deadly run-down (content warning) at Deadspin. If you don't want to watch the video, here's about what happened: Stewart and another driver, Ward, got into some jockeying for position and Ward's car wound up spinning out and hitting the wall. Ward exited the car and began walking (dangerously!) across the track, apparently looking for Stewart's car to come around again. As Stewart approached him, Ward stopped in the middle of the track and pointed at Stewart to call him out, to accuse him of something or to just curse him and challenge him. At this point Stewart's car runs down and kills Ward. I don't want to speculate whether Stewart tried to run him down, or didn't attempt to swerve out of the way, or tried to miss Ward but failed, because I have no idea whatsoever about steering a racecar. Thanks to the cobs.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2014 02:51 PM (P1WNR)
Regardless of the criminal side, I see a civil settlement in the near future.
Posted by: Vendette at August 10, 2014 02:53 PM (f4O+V)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at August 10, 2014 02:54 PM (KuU4f)
Running around on the track in the middle of a race, just because you're mad??? Did he forget that he'd left his Iron Man suit at home that day?
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 10, 2014 02:55 PM (hTDbY)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 02:55 PM (MMC8r)
Really don't think that's an accurate description.
Stewart's rear right tire made contact with Ward. The big question is why that is.
Stewart's car only turned to the right after making contact with Ward, that's because Ward's body got caught up with the wheel.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 02:56 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2014 02:57 PM (BPMYx)
Posted by: chas at August 10, 2014 02:58 PM (VrZ9U)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2014 02:58 PM (P1WNR)
I mentioned earlier that on ESPN's site, the comments were about 90/10 that Stewart did it on purpose. Looked at a couple racing sites and it was 75/25 that Stewart did nothing wrong. Doubt we will see much in the MSM that is based on well-informed opinion.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 02:59 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 02:59 PM (X6zQy)
Nascar actually advertises with a famous highlight of Stewart doing it at Bristol when he gets out of his car and throws his helmet at the guy who wrecked him, bouncing the helmet off the windshield. The crowd loved it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 02:59 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: farmer at August 10, 2014 03:00 PM (gTRCF)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 10, 2014 03:02 PM (iF3nQ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 10, 2014 03:02 PM (2cS/G)
Charge the motherfucker with intentional homicide because that is exactly what it was.
Posted by: steveegg at August 10, 2014 03:02 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2014 03:02 PM (3wLHY)
Posted by: Todd W at August 10, 2014 03:03 PM (lrkg9)
It has been tolerated thus far because it is great fan fodder...
Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 10, 2014 03:03 PM (4DCSq)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2014 03:04 PM (P1WNR)
Darwin never sleeps.
Posted by: Kindofa Dick (@DicksTrash) at August 10, 2014 03:05 PM (KuU4f)
Kindofa Dick (@DicksTrash) at August 10, 2014 03:05 PM (KuU4f)
um, in rush hour? when the cars are bumper to bumper, not moving??
Posted by: chas at August 10, 2014 03:06 PM (VrZ9U)
Posted by: Lloyd Loar at August 10, 2014 03:06 PM (DLqj1)
helmet-chucker to hit Ward...
Charge the motherfucker with intentional homicide because that is exactly what it was.
Posted by: steveegg at August 10, 2014 03:02 PM (o44nj)<<<
Usually it's a good idea to intentionally run over and kill someone with possibly hundreds of witnesses, and cameras capturing the whole thing.
Posted by: not a defense attorney, but did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night at August 10, 2014 03:08 PM (HyNVb)
Uh, I've been in 4x where they spun & we went right.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 10, 2014 03:08 PM (iF3nQ)
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2014 03:08 PM (3yofE)
What an idiot. And agreed that there should be something in the rule book to forbid drivers from getting out the car and running around the track, unless the Yellow Flag is out and your car is burning.
Tony Stewart? Involuntary manslaughter. I think his racing days are through, in the near future. NASCAR will probably ban him for life if he is charged and convicted.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding the comfy chair at August 10, 2014 03:09 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:09 PM (oX78M)
It's not clear that Stewart even saw Ward before the last second. It's dark. The track is poorly lit. Guy is wearing a black firesuit. The car in front of Stewart swerved to avoid Ward. They are coming off turn 2.
The phrase "runs down" implies Stewart saw and aimed at Ward. There is not evidence to support that.
Ward made contact with Stewart's right rear tire and was dragged/thrown/entangled. Kinda unclear.
As I said in an earlier thread, Ward took purposeful action to get dangerously close to Stewart. That's clear. Did Stewart then take purposeful action that resulted in his tire striking and killing Ward? Impossible to tell at this point.
I do think the phrase "runs down" is irresponsible and not supported by the facts or the video.
The bad action that Stewart may or may not have taken was likely revving the throttle as he passed Ward, possibly to intimidate him or spray him with dirt. In that scenario the backend might have kicked out and struck Ward.
It's not clear at all that that happened. Ward might have slipped. Also, you have to accelerate to steer these cars. the cars slip and slide, that's the attraction. If Stewart saw him at the last moment then he would have accelerated to get traction to swerve -- which would look nearly identical to a purposeful revving to intimidate/spray Ward.
It's really quite difficult to tell what happened from that video. But I think that video does rule out the claim that Stewart "ran down" Ward.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:10 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: steveegg at August 10, 2014 03:10 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2014 03:10 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: kartoffel at August 10, 2014 03:11 PM (GoULr)
Posted by: DC Medical Examiner at August 10, 2014 03:11 PM (ndSrL)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:11 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2014 03:11 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:12 PM (oX78M)
Uh, I've been in 4x where they spun & we went right.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 10, 2014 03:08 PM (iF3nQ)
Four wheel drive will be different. If the front tires spin tre front end will go left and back will step right. Rear wheels spin and rear steps out to the left. Right hand rule of angular momentum. Curl your right hand with the fingers in rotation direction and your thumb indicates the direction of the force vector.
Posted by: Todd W at August 10, 2014 03:12 PM (lrkg9)
Posted by: brevity at August 10, 2014 03:12 PM (8xlhb)
he did run him down. That doesn't imply intent.
If someone collides with another person, he collides with that other person. It's the fact of what happened.
Posted by: ace at August 10, 2014 03:13 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:13 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 10, 2014 03:13 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Birddog at August 10, 2014 03:13 PM (lBE3v)
Would they have dashcam video from Tony Stewart?
I'm guessing that was settle some of the 'what did he see' questions.
Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at August 10, 2014 03:13 PM (25HWz)
Posted by: ace at August 10, 2014 03:13 PM (/FnUH)
and pointed at Stewart to call him out, to accuse him of something or to
just curse him and challenge him.
At this point Stewart's car runs down and kills Ward.
So that's what you see? Interesting. It is interesting that you don't see all of the other cars going past the guy at the same speed, and don't see that the guy walks down even further when Stewart approaches (trailing and following the cars going at the same speed).
Posted by: jb at August 10, 2014 03:13 PM (dEvZX)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 10, 2014 03:14 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2014 03:14 PM (P1WNR)
Posted by: Speller at August 10, 2014 03:14 PM (J74Py)
Posted by: little man at August 10, 2014 03:14 PM (4h0z0)
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No, he didn't. That's not the common use of the term "runs down".
Runs down implies hitting someone with the front of your car. Also implies intent.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:14 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Carol at August 10, 2014 03:15 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2014 03:15 PM (hQ0TL)
It's not clear from the video that Stewart did anything to go towards Ward or did anything to drive out of the way.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2014 03:15 PM (zIfHw)
Posted by: chas at August 10, 2014 03:15 PM (VrZ9U)
-C
Posted by: cnation at August 10, 2014 03:16 PM (17ehG)
I actually can't really tell what happened with that video. I think his arm or leg got by the wheel and he got dragged. Not really sure. He was horribly twisted by a powerful force, though.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:17 PM (ZPrif)
If you are going around a corner, accelerating is the only way to move into the corner. Decelerating or braking will force you to the outside.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2014 03:17 PM (hQ0TL)
Posted by: ferdinand at August 10, 2014 03:18 PM (2eIwi)
Nonsense! Of COURSE it implies intent.
If you run someone down, you are aiming for them. Either you are assuming something you don't know, or you are writing poorly.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2014 03:18 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Todd W at August 10, 2014 03:03 PM (lrkg9)
Sorry, but thanks for playing. He was in the middle of a turn in a car with a solid rear end, and all the weight distributed to the left side to force the car's front end to turn to the left. Any acceleration will cause the rear end to kick out which is to the right.
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at August 10, 2014 03:18 PM (g4VbG)
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2014 03:08 PM (3yofE)
..............................,...........................................................
This is possibly the dumbest argument yet. Ward was not a pedestrian, the racetrack is not the street and Stewart wasn't driving some sedan. Rules of the Road are not applicable to race tracks.
Posted by: chiefjaybob at August 10, 2014 03:18 PM (cgH9o)
Posted by: chas at August 10, 2014 03:19 PM (VrZ9U)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 03:19 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: Birddog at August 10, 2014 03:20 PM (lBE3v)
I've never driven a race car and never will, but I'd guess it's a pretty intense thing with all of one's focus on avoiding the cars around you and staying on the track. Those cars are generally going about the same speed as yours and are pretty visible. A hotheaded kid walking onto the track isn't, and is much harder to see.
It's sad, but the kid did this to himself. Unfortunately others will now have to live with the experience.
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 03:20 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Speller at August 10, 2014 03:20 PM (J74Py)
Posted by: Tony Stewart at August 10, 2014 03:21 PM (P1WNR)
Posted by: Oedipus at August 10, 2014 03:21 PM (Tjkt6)
Ok thanks, I always appreciate your willingness to remain open-minded about these things.
No sarcasm there, I sincerely mean it.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2014 03:21 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 03:21 PM (0t4iq)
Posted by: Radar at August 10, 2014 03:22 PM (KzmOC)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:22 PM (8FyP4)
John Ekdahl @JohnEkdahl
People who didn't know what a sprint car was 12 hours ago are now convinced they know exactly how they operate
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 03:22 PM (X6zQy)
There are reports that Stewart destroyed his helmet cam and changed the tire that hit Ward after he got back to the pit.
Posted by: ferdinand at August 10, 2014 03:23 PM (2eIwi)
Not saying he deserved to die, but he took his own life with that stunt.
Whether Tony Stewart was trying to cover him in mud with a fishtail or something, I don't know, but I don't he think purposely set to run over the guy.
FWIW, I don't really follow racing but Stewart seems to be a real hot head asshole, but I don't think he's a murderer.
Posted by: Uniden at August 10, 2014 03:23 PM (13G+x)
Posted by: Voxplain at August 10, 2014 03:23 PM (ZFu22)
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 03:23 PM (LCIE3)
Saw this elsewhere on the interwebz. The "because sprint car" line refers to the fact these cars race in a state of a constant controlled slide and you have to accelerate to get traction to turn. It also assumes the "gunned the engine" reports in the media are accurate. I think you hear it in the video, but I'm not positive.
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I don't think Stewart intended to hit him but I see two possibilities:
1 - Stewart gunned the engine as he went past to try to intimidate Ward, the back end kicked out ("because sprint car") and accidentally hit Ward.
2 - Stewart gunned the engine as he went past because sprint cars are like jet skis or boats and don't turn real good unless they have throttle ("because sprint car"), trying to miss Ward and accidentally hit Ward.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:24 PM (ZPrif)
track for some night racing knows how these things are lit. This isn't
Yankee stadium, there are shadows everywhere. Raceable? Yes. Well-lit? No.
-C
Posted by: cnation at August 10, 2014 03:24 PM (17ehG)
Posted by: BurtTC
Wow, Ace is a troll on his own site. You should demand that he be banned, and if he isn't, you'll quit the site. It's him or you. One of you has to go.
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 03:24 PM (4nR9/)
not a pedestrian, the racetrack is not the street and Stewart wasn't
driving some sedan. Rules of the Road are not applicable to race tracks.
Posted by: chiefjaybob
Sorry chiefjaybob. This was my, obviously poor, attempt at humor. I fully understand that this was a race and that Ward was not a pedestrian. I was referencing the people around here that will walk in front of a car, whether they are in a crosswalk or not, whether or not the driver approaching can see them and stop in time, because the crosswalk rule has them behaving like they are freaking Superman.
A 4000 pound car versus a 180 pound person. Who will win?
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2014 03:25 PM (3yofE)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:25 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Klown 2.0 at August 10, 2014 03:25 PM (5fSr7)
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Only "report" I've seen claiming that was some random poster on Deadspin who screamed it in ALL CAPS a few moments after the Deadspin report went up and could not have possibly known that.
I haven't seen a single legit media source claim that. An anonymous Deadspin commenter doesn't count as a "report".
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:26 PM (ZPrif)
Buffy, this is just goosh, we should outlaw it for the "good" of these poor people.
See NY Slime story now running
http://tinyurl.com/q2wtxyg
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 03:26 PM (0FSuD)
Are you bring serious? Cause he was making a joke. I lol'd at it. But hey, what do the twins & I know?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 10, 2014 03:26 PM (iF3nQ)
Downshifting will cause the engine to rev, so Stewart could have been trying to slow down.
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 03:26 PM (LCIE3)
One time my car broke down in the southbound left-hand lane of I-95 near Philly at rush hour on a Friday evening.
I put my flashers on and got out of the car as fast as possible because I was certain that someone was going to plow into it at any second. I got well away from it, walking along the median.
I stood on the median for a good half-hour before the wall-to-wall 70 mph traffic thinned out enough for me to run to the side of the road.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2014 03:26 PM (sdi6R)
And it seems he surely saw him in plenty of time ... given his history, probably wanted to scare him of even hit him ... seems I heard he had even threatened drivers before, to stay out of his way.
The kid was stupid, but I doubt he was going to try to tackle the car ... but Stewart swung it out, and was enough of a veteran to control what happened. It looked to me like the kid tried to jump away before hit ... maybe he just misjudged Stewart's line.
But I sure don't see how gunning the engine gets Stewart more control, or moves the car left. Need more video.
Posted by: Illini Bill at August 10, 2014 03:27 PM (+Ioz8)
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2014 03:27 PM (3yofE)
... because I have no idea whatsoever about steering a racecar.
But you have owned Hot Wheels, have you not? Same principles except you don't have to go -- brrr-- brrr. The cars do it on their own.
Posted by: John H. at August 10, 2014 03:27 PM (oNPEa)
In the middle of a wreck. While driving. On dirt. In a car that has about a 300 degree blind spot.
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 03:27 PM (X6zQy)
Great, this will give the Iraqis lots of coincidence in our resolve.
Obama just announced the evacuation of the Baghdad embassy.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (Dj0WE)
I question if Stweart or anyone else could have done anything about it.
Posted by: The Revved-Up Hat at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (QxHhO)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: GrapeApe at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (WtMjl)
Posted by: traye at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (mszpc)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (P1WNR)
Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2014 03:29 PM (3wLHY)
Posted by: ferdinand at August 10, 2014 03:23 PM (2eIwi)
I saw that too and it was from a Local report not Deadspin
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 03:29 PM (0t4iq)
How nice for Ace to climb off his hot Italian wife, Scienza, and join us.
Posted by: Pug the Boneless at August 10, 2014 03:29 PM (oNPEa)
I bet that fucker was TXTing too. And eating something with a lot of saturated fat, while drinking a 64oz Mountain Dew.
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 03:30 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:30 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 03:30 PM (0FSuD)
99 Stewart, reportedly after the wreck, swam the Oneida river, went
to sleep in his hotel and didn't report the wreck to authorities until
the following morning.
I bet that fucker was TXTing too. And eating something with a lot of saturated fat, while drinking a 64oz Mountain Dew.
Posted by: akula51
And salt. Always with the GD salt.
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2014 03:31 PM (3yofE)
I also have a hard time believing fans in the stands, with a couple dozen cars running around the track, can tell precisely which car is revving its engine, and which is not just by the sounds they are hearing.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2014 03:31 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 03:32 PM (LCIE3)
Thank you for clean up two threads ago!
Posted by: Carol at August 10, 2014 03:32 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (Leftist anti-Semite) at August 10, 2014 03:32 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2014 03:32 PM (3yofE)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 03:21 PM (0t4iq)
I see a hard drive crash coming.
(And yes, I know they don't use a hard drive. It was a freakin' joke.)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at August 10, 2014 03:32 PM (g4VbG)
If they were under a caution nobody should have been speeding
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 10, 2014 03:32 PM (iF3nQ)
Posted by: soothern man at August 10, 2014 03:32 PM (JwlHR)
There are perfectly innocent explanations, from Stewart's perspective, for what happened. There's also a damning explanation that would seem to raise the possibility of manslaughter. Both explanations fit the available evidence.
Hopefully they have another camera angle from the back or side. But even that might not be able to clarify things.
A lot of this comes down to what Stewart saw and when he saw it and what his intent was.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:33 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 03:26 PM (LCIE3)
Sprint cars have in-out boxes. Either they are in gear or out of gear. There is no downshifting.
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at August 10, 2014 03:33 PM (g4VbG)
PBR enhances auditory perception.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2014 03:33 PM (hQ0TL)
Posted by: The Dude at August 10, 2014 03:33 PM (SyKbw)
Reports surfaced earlier today that God, in fact, was his co-pilot...
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 03:33 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: soothern man at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (JwlHR)
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 03:24 PM (4nR9/)
Wouldn't be the first time Ace got banned from his own blog.
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (QxHhO)
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (3yofE)
If they were under a caution nobody should have been speeding
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy
__________________________________________
His speed was estimated to be 30-35 mph, so...
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (8FyP4)
It's easiest to take whatever side you were on beforehand.
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (LCIE3)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (Leftist anti-Semite) at August 10, 2014 03:32 PM (QFxY5)
Ooh look, our resident anti-Semite! ; )
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (iF3nQ)
I think his arm or leg got by the wheel and he got dragged. Not really sure. He was horribly twisted by a powerful force, though.
The tires on a sprint car are extremely soft and tacky. About the same feel as one of those big pink erasers.
If you were to make contact with one that is moving - you WILL get dragged under the wheel and flipped out the other side.
Posted by: PM Rich at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (eEBON)
Obama just announced the evacuation of the Baghdad embassy.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (0FSuD)
Did Gerald Ford Jr. name this Operation Frequent Wind II in honor of me?
Posted by: Ambassador Graham Martin at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (o44nj)
nope
my words went flat
too soon?
Posted by: rachel corrie at August 10, 2014 03:34 PM (YS3vj)
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Not sure what the caution speed is on that track. On a Nascar track caution means they are still going 50+ mph. So that's still running out in front of cars going highway speed.
Caution speed is still pretty fast compared to humans on foot.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:35 PM (ZPrif)
111 It was a Joooo car that hit him.
Reports surfaced earlier today that God, in fact, was his co-pilot...
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 03:33 PM (X6zQy)
Oh no, expect epic morn foolishness to follow.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 03:35 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 10, 2014 03:35 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 03:35 PM (0t4iq)
Posted by: GMB (Evil) Steadfast SoCon at August 10, 2014 03:35 PM (e5dKk)
You're making fun of my late Senator & I laughed!
I couldn't stand him & can't believe people in this state kept voting for him.
I know I'm going outside but I'm putting it off because of Red Alert for weed pollen.
Posted by: Carol at August 10, 2014 03:35 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:36 PM (MMC8r)
COP RACIST. It's what we go to in a pinch.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 03:36 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:37 PM (8FyP4)
The killed guy runs into traffic dances around a bit, and to my eyes clearly precipitated his own doom.
Posted by: SarahW at August 10, 2014 03:37 PM (Lbv/k)
Posted by: liberals everywhere at August 10, 2014 03:37 PM (YS3vj)
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2014 03:38 PM (hQ0TL)
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Right, especially dirt track sprint car racing. The whole point and the reason the drivers and fans like it, is it's so hard to control and cars are sliding all over. This isn't asphalt. It's a dirt track which gets watered down on purpose so it's extra slick and slippery so the cars slide around and put on a good show.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:38 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:38 PM (oX78M)
They both fucked up. Ward for getting out of his car and wandering around the track. It also looks like Stewart saw the guy and decided he'd gun it as he passed as a "fuck you." He hammered it, kid got closer than he expected he would, wham.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (YS3vj)
Agreed. Regardless of whether or not Stewart did anything intentional, Ward would be alive today if he'd stayed in his car until the safety crews arrived.
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (LCIE3)
No, it's just your Canadian friends helping out, guy. And we had beans with our Kroff dinner!
Posted by: Terrence & Philip at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (iF3nQ)
I believe that's a "member of a public employee union, affiliated with the AFL-CIO".
Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (zIfHw)
How can you tell he gunned the engine?
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:37 PM (8FyP4)
you can hear it on the video, also every statement I have seen from people there have said they hear him gun it.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (0t4iq)
The other day a punk crossed the street while I had the green light. I did not slow down but I was prepared to do so. Luckily he jumped out of the way in time.
I quickly realized how stupid it was of me to flirt with someone's life like that -- it could really hurt me financially. Plus I dont want be That Guy who kills a pedestrian out of shear roadrage.
The point is that when tempers flare, men abandon caution and sense.
Posted by: soothern man at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (JwlHR)
How can you tell he gunned the engine?
On video it's very hard to tell, at the track it'seasy to tell them apart
Posted by: PM Rich at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (eEBON)
no no, sheesh
it's MILITARIZED RACIST THUG COP!!!!!!!11!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (YS3vj)
don't cha forget it Cubs fan
Posted by: The Dude at August 10, 2014 03:40 PM (SyKbw)
Posted by: Barakus the First at August 10, 2014 03:40 PM (0AKks)
You may return to your embroidery.
Posted by: Edward I Longshanks at August 10, 2014 03:40 PM (wc/mG)
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 03:41 PM (LCIE3)
1 - Stewart gunned the engine as he went past to try to intimidate
Ward, the back end kicked out ("because sprint car") and accidentally
hit Ward.
2 - Stewart gunned the engine as he went past because sprint cars
are like jet skis or boats and don't turn real good unless they have
throttle ("because sprint car"), trying to miss Ward and accidentally
hit Ward.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:24 PM (ZPrif)<<<
Think you've been spot on in your posts.
Hard to say if Stewart could've even seen Ward (guy wearing dark fire suit and helmet) with the lighting, with a massive wing on the right side of the car, if Ward was on a bit of banking on the track.
Hard to tell whose engines are revving. Still lots of other cars on the track. Could've been the camera picking up one closer to the grandstands circling while under caution, closing a gap between the car in front.The video, while a bit helpful, makes so many, many things "hard to tell."
Posted by: not a defense attorney, but did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night at August 10, 2014 03:41 PM (HyNVb)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 10, 2014 03:41 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2014 03:41 PM (wc/mG)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio
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On the video, filmed from the other side of the oval, you can hear that particular car rev the engine. Interesting.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:42 PM (8FyP4)
Sprint cars have in-out boxes. Either they are in gear or out of gear. There is no downshifting.
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at August 10, 2014 03:33 PM (g4VbG)
I don't know what that means. Can you explain?
I drive a stick, so I know that downshifting causes the engine to rev.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2014 03:42 PM (sdi6R)
Darwin never sleeps.
Posted by: Kindofa Dick (@DicksTrash) at August 10, 2014 03:05 PM (KuU4f) "
I haven't been on 635 in a while. I can tell you that thanks to the construction, you could probably walk safely across 121 or 183 in complete safety because traffic is completely stopped during rush hour.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 10, 2014 03:42 PM (PD6iL)
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We can't really, but eyewitness reports said he did and the audio on the video sounds like he did, kinda mostly.
Honestly I wonder if that sound could be caused by having a human being sucked into your wheel well like that. I don't know. I'm guessing no.
As mentioned before, if Stewart saw him at the last second and tried to swerve, he also likely would rev the engine to get traction to swerve.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:42 PM (ZPrif)
If that is true, it is because women drive them to it (NPI).
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 10, 2014 03:43 PM (R5/ES)
Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2014 03:43 PM (zt+N6)
So the pitcher decides to throw one high and tight. Kid gets struck in the head, and he's dead.
Pitchers fault for doing what pitchers ALWAYS do when a batter creeps over the plate? Or is he supposed to know that the hitter has no idea how quickly a 95MPH fastball will get there?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2014 03:43 PM (Dj0WE)
You always gotta watch out for the other guy. Light turns green? Look both ways first because not everyone is paying attention or driving by the same rules you or I are. You just never fucking know.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 03:43 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Pinky Tuscadero at August 10, 2014 03:44 PM (R5/ES)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 10, 2014 03:44 PM (ucDmr)
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Good point.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:45 PM (ZPrif)
I think that's a great analogy, Burt.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 03:45 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2014 03:45 PM (uhAkr)
Not even close. Working on a couple WW2 era Polish Cavalry Trooper models.
Finally learning to work with resin kits.
Posted by: GMB (Evil) Steadfast SoCon at August 10, 2014 03:45 PM (e5dKk)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 10, 2014 03:44 PM (ucDmr)
So they only have one speed?
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2014 03:46 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Sports Illuminated at August 10, 2014 03:46 PM (ZFu22)
I don't know what that means. Can you explain?
I drive a stick, so I know that downshifting causes the engine to rev.
the in/out box is essentially a directly link from engine to rear end. You have one gear - everything you got.
Your only other choice is out - decoupling the engine from the rearend.
This is the reason that sprint cars have to be pushed to start.
Posted by: PM Rich at August 10, 2014 03:46 PM (eEBON)
Did the engine have the thingy on top that goes up? Could be evidence of lethal intent.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2014 03:41 PM (wc/mG)
Well, the "Black Box" will have all the information
Posted by: Viv Berstein, Jewish NYC woman that cover Stewart story for NYT. at August 10, 2014 03:46 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Loews at August 10, 2014 03:47 PM (P1WNR)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 10, 2014 03:47 PM (ucDmr)
I drive a stick, so I know that downshifting causes the engine to rev.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2014 03:42 PM (sdi6R)
Imagine that your transmission has only high gear (maybe 4th or 5th) and neutral. That's the kind of transmission sprint cars have. When you see them start by a truck pushing them, it serves two purposes. First, they use this push to start the vehicle. Second, they can't move from a stopped position since the tranny is geared for top speed only. They put the tranny in neutral, the truck starts to push them, they slam the car into gear (no clutch), it starts, and they drive away.
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at August 10, 2014 03:47 PM (g4VbG)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:47 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Pinky Tuscadero at August 10, 2014 03:47 PM (R5/ES)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:47 PM (8FyP4)
Just my opinion, opinions are like assholes, just my $.02 worth, from
the same video we're all watching, I'm not a racer or NASCAR fan, no
care one way or the other.
They both fucked up. Ward for getting
out of his car and wandering around the track. It also looks like
Stewart saw the guy and decided he'd gun it as he passed as a "fuck
you." He hammered it, kid got closer than he expected he would, wham.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 03:39 PM (vLKcC)
100% this is what happened.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 03:48 PM (0t4iq)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:48 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2014 03:48 PM (zt+N6)
Motorsports need reform: synchronized speeding. All vehicles are to be
welded together, ushering in an enlightened age of cooperation and
harmony. Everyone will stride the tarmac in tandem and shame all who
dare question the newly perfected sport.
So you like the NASCAR " Car of Tomorrow"? My buddies get kickbacks for making the frames.
Posted by: Brian France at August 10, 2014 03:48 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline from Brattleboro,VT at August 10, 2014 03:49 PM (hP/Mt)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2014 03:49 PM (wc/mG)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:49 PM (oX78M)
Don't forget the 'Stupid Redstate Hillbilly Teabagging NASCAR Tea Partiers' angle they're so fond of.
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:49 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Sports Illuminated
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I sure hope they're powered by a renewable resource.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:49 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Verizon at August 10, 2014 03:50 PM (QxHhO)
I haven't watched the video, and not sure I ever will, but I am pretty sure we will never know what was going on in Stewart's head for sure. I am also pretty sure that won't keep people from having strong opinions on nothing substantive. ESPN has the "strong take" formula on most of their terrible time filler shows, so I am sure someone there will be getting suspended (again) for saying something stupid.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 10, 2014 03:50 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:50 PM (MMC8r)
did not slow down but I was prepared to do so. Luckily he jumped out of
the way in time.
I quickly realized how stupid it was of me to flirt with someone's
life like that -- it could really hurt me financially. Plus I dont want
be That Guy who kills a pedestrian out of shear roadrage.
My aunt was a wonderful woman (RIP). One day on the way to work, some guy stepped off the median strip in front of her car. As nearly as could be determined, he just wanted to end it, and did, thank heavens without injuring my aunt, at least physically.
The fatality was unavoidable and there was absolutely no way she could have avoided it, but it haunted her until the day she died.
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 03:50 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (wc/mG)
President Obama should tell that Attorney General guy Holder to look into this
You damn right. The guy WAS wearing Black! Racism is everywhere in upstate NY!
Posted by: Rev Al at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (sdi6R)
What is the Left and obama thinking right now?
a) Damn shame.
b) Can we politicize this?
c) Who cares.
Posted by: soothern man at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (JwlHR)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: Dorc-ASS Blimlimp from Idiotsboro,VT at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (+PRFk)
Posted by: traye at August 10, 2014 03:28 PM (mszpc)
there are no windshields on sprint cars
Posted by: The Dude at August
His visor then, the point still stands.
Don't jump your ass in front of a large moving mass.
Posted by: traye at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (mszpc)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (MMC8r)
I'd still like to see some evidence that Stewart's car, out of all the cars on the track, was the one that revved its engine. Haven't so far.
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (LCIE3)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2014 03:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 10, 2014 03:52 PM (Skkie)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at August 10, 2014 03:52 PM (g4VbG)
Posted by: The cutting edge of bullying at August 10, 2014 03:52 PM (ZFu22)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:52 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at August 10, 2014 03:53 PM (JNjZk)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:53 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 03:53 PM (8FyP4)
Cale Yarborough and Donnie Allison waited until the cars had stopped skidding to fight.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 10, 2014 03:54 PM (R5/ES)
Posted by: The Golpher at August 10, 2014 03:54 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: lowandslow at August 10, 2014 03:54 PM (yfEHS)
If I were a DA, I'd want to know a lot about the mechanics of the car and physics of driving them on these tracks.
He (or she) is probably going through the same process as is going on in this thread.
But Ward did walk directly toward Stewart's car, so my inclination would be to investigate before filing charges.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2014 03:54 PM (zIfHw)
Posted by: Dumbass lefty at August 10, 2014 03:54 PM (f00u1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:54 PM (oX78M)
Truth. When I get mad at a fellow golfer, I just do a line of coke off his wife's ass.
Posted by: Dustin Johnson at August 10, 2014 03:54 PM (w3a0Z)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 03:55 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Erin at August 10, 2014 03:55 PM (ZFu22)
Posted by: Dave S. at August 10, 2014 03:50 PM (UvR6d)
The amount of control that most of those guys have over those cars is amazing. You don't get into a sprint car until you've proven yourself elsewhere. Ward himself started in go karts at the age of 4
Posted by: PM Rich at August 10, 2014 03:55 PM (eEBON)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 10, 2014 03:55 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 03:51 PM (X6zQy)
Unless they're using Dover, the Presstitute Organs are showing an asphalt oval.
Posted by: Ambassador Graham Martin at August 10, 2014 03:55 PM (o44nj)
Hopefully minus the bunch of dumbasses that don't know shit about racing making declarations.
Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2014 03:56 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 03:56 PM (0FSuD)
Neither do I. Screwing around and shit happened.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 03:56 PM (vLKcC)
He should have paid more attention during Physics Class.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2014 03:57 PM (Skkie)
Meanwhile, even as Gerald Ford Jr. is trying to complete the Iraq==South Vietnam image, the freshly-rearmed Kurds are making some progress against IS by taking 2 towns near Irbil.
Posted by: steveegg at August 10, 2014 03:57 PM (o44nj)
In racing cars often hit stalled/stopped cars in broad daylight seeming with plenty of time to see them. How? They just ... don't see them. And you often see that where the lead car swerves in time and then the car behind just plows into it.
If drivers can simply not see a stopped car in broad daylight, as happens with some regularity, then not seeing a man on foot, dressed in black, at night is totally plausible.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 03:57 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 10, 2014 03:57 PM (Y92Nd)
The fatality was unavoidable and there was absolutely no way she could have avoided it, but it haunted her until the day she died.
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 03:50 PM (4nR9/)
Not long ago I remember reading about a guy who stepped in front of a train. The engineer got to look him right in the eye as he ran over him. I'm sure he'll have nightmares about that for the rest of his life.
There seems to be a narcissistic element to suicides like that. Look at me! Pay attention to me! Better to just stick your head in the oven and turn on the gas.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2014 03:58 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 03:54 PM (oX78M)
Mitt Romney for President! Because he has to win sooner or later.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 10, 2014 04:00 PM (Y92Nd)
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It's not clear at this point that Stewart did anything wrong. Ward clearly took an irresponsible action. Stewart may or may not have. He may have just been reacting to all of a sudden seeing Ward on the track in front of him with only a split second to react.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 04:00 PM (ZPrif)
That is my thought, Ward was almost hit by the guy in front of Stewart.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 10, 2014 04:00 PM (f00u1)
"The point is there has to be a negotiated solution in Iraq, but we don't negotiate with terrorists," Warren said. She said, "This is partially a question of whether the U.S. government negotiates or whether we have the Iraqi government doing these negotiations, and how we help support them as they try to maintain an integrated country, and a country that better represents all of the people who live there."
Thus sayeth potential Dem preezy candidate Lizzy Warren about ISIS and TFG's actions in Iraq. (from HA) So I'm picturing these negotiations --
Jon Cary -- Let's negotiate.
ISIS -- Submit or die.
Jon Cary -- Can we have a few hours to talk this offer over?
ISIS -- You have 5 seconds. (polishes machete with shirt tail)
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2014 04:00 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
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I think that is exactly what happened.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:01 PM (8FyP4)
Link? I was unaware they had been rearmed. I thought Mr. Limpet was still vacillating, vacationing, whatever.
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 04:01 PM (4nR9/)
I do know a little bit about it. I have been a fan for almost 60 years -- including attending more than a few night races on dirt tracks -- and, through my day job, have driven at high speed on race tracks (though I never drove in actual races), driven race cars, and spent time with race drivers from all forms of the sport. I even met Tony Stewart once.
What all y'all need to know are a couple of basic things:
1) Race cars are not like street cars. Especially sprint cars. They don't have transmissions like your Honda Civic does, and instead of differentials for the driving wheels they have what are called "locked" rear ends. Makes a big difference on dirt, and affects even the basics of steering (or going straight, for that matter) at any speed;
2) Racing isn't like driving on the street. Things happen very fast, and all too often the driver in a bad situation is a passenger. No matter how skilled, he is sitting there watching things unfold;
3) The field of vision in a race car is very narrow (you're not there to watch the scenery). In a sprinter, it is even narrower. At night, on a poorly lit track (this is not like Daytona, where big-ass lights keep things fairly bright), vision is worse still. A driver in a black firesuit will not be easy to see;
4) Stewart is a hothead, and may even be a nasty prick. I don't know, didn't see it. But he is not a killer. The media, who hate anything dangerous like racing, eat that "blood feud" crap up like flies on shit. They have no idea what goes through a race driver's head, what happens during a race, or even the physics involved with controlling a race car.
I suppose Stewart will become the Man You Love to Hate in racing, and the genius Prius-driving fuckwads at the NY Slimes will howl for Justice to be Done. I have much more reason to pass an informed judgment than they do, and a hell of a lot more knowledge to back it up. That won't stop them howling to their faithful readers, who will parrot the nonsense. In my case, I can't say for certain what happened. So I won't.
Would be nice if those of us who always talk about "sense," "getting all the facts" and not jumping to knee-jerk conclusions would react in that way here. I don't expect it; howling mobs are everywhere.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2014 04:02 PM (dDzOj)
Stupid. Tillis doesn't need to be around "Magical Underwear Man"
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 04:03 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 10, 2014 04:03 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 04:03 PM (0t4iq)
Driver killed by walking into a speeding car melancholy due to wrecking, but mostly by walking into a speeding car.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:03 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:04 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:04 PM (oX78M)
anything wrong. Ward clearly took an irresponsible action. Stewart may
or may not have. He may have just been reacting to all of a sudden
seeing Ward on the track in front of him with only a split second to
react.
Posted by: Costanza Defense
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I think that is exactly what happened.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:01 PM (8FyP4)<<<
This.
Posted by: not a defense attorney, but did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night at August 10, 2014 04:04 PM (HyNVb)
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 04:04 PM (LCIE3)
Posted by: inspectorudy at August 10, 2014 04:05 PM (r8HNW)
Posted by: steveegg at August 10, 2014 04:05 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:06 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:06 PM (oX78M)
Remember to lock you doors at the gas station, I saw a guy pull up next
to the car in front of me, opened her car door and took her Purse
because as she and her son went inside. I got the Plates but I was
stunned to what I was seeing.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 04:03 PM (0t4iq)
Yeah, well that doesn't work for some people. A woman that goes to my exercise guy got a new Mercedes and couldn't figure out how to get the gas cap open.
She was locking the car when she got out to pump the gas and that was locking the gas cap.
She had NO CLUE. Repeal the 19th amendment.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 04:07 PM (0FSuD)
"The engineer got to look him right in the eye as he ran over him."
I read people say things like this before. Maybe I'm missing something(a train runs right through the center of my town several times a day), but there doesn't seem to be much of a window looking frontwards, only to the sides, and the train(engine too)is pretty tall.
Posted by: Speller at August 10, 2014 04:07 PM (J74Py)
They told us a story like yours about the train conductor when we were kids, and it scared the bejeezits out of me. It was the story of Screaming Jenny. She was raised by a single mother who squatted in an abandoned arsenal and tended bar at a local tavern. One night little Jenny bumped into a kerosense lamp, and her cotton nightgown went up in flames. The child ran onto the tracks and was run down by a speeding locamotive. The driver was terrified, but so were many others who encountered her tortured spirit and heard its ghostly shrieks on dark, moonless nights.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 10, 2014 04:07 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:07 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: inspectorudy at August 10, 2014 04:05 PM (r8HNW)
They were under a Yellow Flag so nobody was going over 100.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 04:07 PM (0t4iq)
Things not being considered:
1) They were under yellow and this was a bush league race by Stewart's standards. He may not have had his full attention on the track ahead.
2) The idiot he hit was wearing black on a dark night.
3) The car in front of Stewart swerved to miss the guy. Stewart may not have even seen him until the last second.
4) Stewart had no expectation of some moron standing in the middle of the track yelling at him.
5) The fact he revved his engine and hit him with his back wheel supports the idea that Stewart was surprised to see an idiot standing in the middle of the track and overreacted to miss him, this swerving and hitting him with the back tire.
To prove a crime you have to prove motive and there was no motive for Stewart to murder this idiot in front of 1000 witnesses.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 10, 2014 04:07 PM (+9xNn)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 04:08 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: The Gaming Hat at August 10, 2014 04:09 PM (QxHhO)
I'd also add that Ward was moving TOWARD Stewart's car. That could only shorten reaction time and space.
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 04:09 PM (MMC8r)
Well, good for him. I hope he helps out Scott Brown in NH, too.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 10, 2014 04:09 PM (Y92Nd)
Without going into a long and detailed explanation, that is sort of how the Titanic hit the iceberg. Except that the engines were reversed and the bow hit. It was kind of a complicated maneuver.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2014 04:09 PM (sdi6R)
It was just on TCM, like, two nights ago. Spooky parallels.
A couple of you will recall that up through 1955, AAA was the sanctioning body for American racing, and after the disastrous 1956 season, shut it all down. USAC was thrown together overnight on a shoestring to keep the scene going. Sprint car racing has been "dying" ever since. It's sure taking its time about it. Other hand, there are only four dirt track miles left in the country. That was really dangerous.
Yes, that was the same year most of Europe outlawed racing, and the ban still applies in some countries, notably Switzerland.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 10, 2014 04:10 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:10 PM (oX78M)
The fact he revved his engine
Sorry to keep harping on this, but again, do we know this for a fact?
Posted by: Gran at August 10, 2014 04:10 PM (LCIE3)
Posted by: Zombie Rachel Corrie at August 10, 2014 04:10 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:11 PM (3W1WP)
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So now I get to say I hated Stewart before it was cool?
Posted by: Adam at August 10, 2014 04:12 PM (G8ga7)
anything wrong. Ward clearly took an irresponsible action. Stewart may
or may not have. He may have just been reacting to all of a sudden
seeing Ward on the track in front of him with only a split second to
react.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 04:00 PM (ZPrif)
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It seems possible that he might have tried to punk him a little bit. It also seems possible that having a guy walking towards his car wasn't in his mind in the range of possibilities and he didn't see him until the last second.
Foreigners sometimes have the perception of the US as the wild west with guns everywhere, based off movies. People that don't know shit about hockey assume people are dropping the gloves and fighting all game long, with Hanson brothers type brawls on a regular basis. And people that don't know shit about racing might think people just walk out there and throw punches as passing cars under caution all the time. But they don't. When it happens it's out on the TV all the time and goes viral on youtube.
Maybe Stewart didn't see him, maybe he did. I doubt we'll ever know for sure.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 10, 2014 04:12 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Stringer Davis
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Killing those 80 Frenchmen (can we still say Frenchmen?) in 1955 at LeMans did not help.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:12 PM (8FyP4)
I suppose Stewart will become the Man You Love to Hate
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So now I get to say I hated Stewart before it was cool?
Posted by: Adam at August 10, 2014 04:12 PM (G8ga7)
Hey, I already have that gig taken.
Posted by: Jeff Gordon, "Rainbow warrior" at August 10, 2014 04:14 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:14 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Boss Moss
______________________________
Well, they did stop breathing...
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:15 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 04:15 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Jeff Gordon, "Rainbow warrior" at August 10, 2014 04:14 PM (0FSuD)
better than Jimmy Johnson who is just hated even though he's the best driver in NASCAR
Posted by: The Dude at August 10, 2014 04:15 PM (SyKbw)
Killing those 80 Frenchmen (can we still say Frenchmen?) in 1955 at LeMans did not help.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:12 PM (8FyP4)
As long as I still get to say Chinamen.
Posted by: Bob Beckel at August 10, 2014 04:15 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 10, 2014 04:16 PM (4DCSq)
Pfft I used to do that before breakfast.
Posted by: Henry V at August 10, 2014 04:16 PM (wc/mG)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:16 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 04:17 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: The Dude at August 10, 2014 04:15 PM (SyKbw)<<<
I may have a little something to do with that vitriol.
Posted by: Chad Knaus at August 10, 2014 04:17 PM (HyNVb)
Posted by: eman at August 10, 2014 04:17 PM (PdP7S)
multimillionaire madman "gunned" down an innocent puppy frolicking in
the puppy park to teach him a lesson about shitting on the cart path.
Shit happens, and highly competitive 20 year old race car drivers are
generally obstinate hotheads.
Ward's behavior indicates he wasn't thinking clearly with regard to his personal safety.
Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2014 04:18 PM (3wLHY)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:18 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:20 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:21 PM (3W1WP)
Yeah, Squire, one of the more ironic events in motor sports history, as the crash was caused by superior British brakes and cutting-edge (ouch) German metallurgy...
The main arguments (in Congress, no less) in this country had to do with the lack of roll bars on midgets and "the big cars" (that later became sprint cars), which were going airborne all the time. You were up to Indianapolis roadster size before those headrest-shaped rear cones with the gas tank in them were any higher than mid-back.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 10, 2014 04:21 PM (xq1UY)
The answer is always b. Those idiot masses need less enjoyment in their lives and more speeches about the evils of things Lefties don't like.
Posted by: Shoot Me at August 10, 2014 04:22 PM (EQcfE)
Posted by: AP Stylebook cut and paste template at August 10, 2014 04:22 PM (ZFu22)
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2014 04:23 PM (Skkie)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:23 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 10, 2014 04:25 PM (2cS/G)
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Yes, but that was before the advent of the aerocart.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:26 PM (3W1WP)
I will hang my head in shame for 2 or 3 minutes over not coming up with that one.
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 04:26 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 04:26 PM (eAJwE)
Posted by: PM Rich at August 10, 2014 04:27 PM (eEBON)
Posted by: Duke Lowell
_______________________________
That's what the fuck I'm talking about. If Stewart would've been (effortlessly) pushing an Aerocart instead of driving a race car, we'd be talking about something else entirely.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:28 PM (8FyP4)
Wow. This. Is. Not. Good.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 04:26 PM (eAJwE)<<<
The peace is lost.
Posted by: Dingy Harry at August 10, 2014 04:28 PM (HyNVb)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 10, 2014 04:29 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: The Dude at August 10, 2014 04:15 PM (SyKbw)
Good point I forgot about that asshole. I got out of the NASCAR business four years ago. Don't miss any of it.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 04:29 PM (0FSuD)
Wow. This. Is. Not. Good.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 04:26 PM (eAJwE)
The peace is lost.
Posted by: Dingy Harry
___________________________________
I'm ready for Bush to start blaming Obama.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:29 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:31 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: --- at August 10, 2014 04:32 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:29 PM (8FyP4)<<<
Defend myself, why would I do that?
**goes back to painting happy little trees**
Posted by: W. at August 10, 2014 04:32 PM (HyNVb)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:32 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:32 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 04:33 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2014 04:33 PM (Skkie)
Posted by: Countrysquire
He won't. Bush is an honorable man. Flawed but honorable.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 10, 2014 04:34 PM (4h0z0)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 10, 2014 04:34 PM (2cS/G)
Hah, he would never do something so transparently self-serving.
From WZ:
"Obama Blames "Bad Intel" for Failure to Anticipate Swiftness of ISIS"s Movements"
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 04:34 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:34 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:35 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Duke Lowell
________________________________________
Dude, that was like 40 years ago. They probably aren't even aware of it.
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:36 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 04:36 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:37 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Mary at August 10, 2014 04:37 PM (nzmxZ)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 04:38 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:39 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:39 PM (oX78M)
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Good point. I forgot that history started on Jan 20, 2009.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:39 PM (3W1WP)
Chirp08 10 points 6 hours ago
800hp+, Direct drive (no clutch, no transmission), the throttle is used to steer. It was literally the worst car in the world you could have put yourself in any proximity of unsafely.
LasciviousSycophant 59 points 6 hours ago
Is there any way to prove it was Tony that gunned it?
Not by observations from us armchair sleuths who have viewed that video. We hear an engine being revved. If one pays attention to the video, one will notice that it's zoomed in to show cars across the infield. There are cars much closer to the camera that we can't see. It is far more likely that it is one of those cars that we hear.
It's also telling that when the actual crash happens, we can't hear it on the video. The audio one can hear at the time of the crash is engine sounds from the cars closest to the videographer, and not the crash sounds from the track all the way across the infield.
TheCatfromOuterSpace 73 points 12 hours ago
I have 15+ years of crew experience mostly with stock cars on short tracks.
From what I know about Tony personally and after seeing the footage, all I can think of is he was either (1) trying to avoid Ward at the last second and gunned it to try and clear him, (2) thought he was clear of Ward already and was just accelerating off the turn, or (3) he was trying to throw some clay in Ward's face.
Regardless, Ward should have stayed in his car until at least the wreckers and corner workers were there. The field was still cooling down, and to be honest, Sprint car yellow laps are highly dangerous because of everyone trying to keep their tire and oil temps up.
Also add it being a night race on a tiny bullring and nearly 1000hp short wheelbase cars with limited vis due to aero... yeah, stay in your car unless it is on fire, man.
I feel terrible for everyone involved. Best wishes to them.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 04:39 PM (ZPrif)
But, how many are on Martha's Vineyard?
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2014 04:40 PM (Skkie)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 10, 2014 04:07 PM (+9xNn)
No you don't. Involuntary manslaughter simply means you did something stupid that caused someone else's death.
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at August 10, 2014 04:40 PM (g4VbG)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:41 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Baldy at August 10, 2014 04:41 PM (2bql3)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:42 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 04:42 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:42 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 10, 2014 04:43 PM (3kZUM)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 04:43 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 10, 2014 04:44 PM (zfY+H)
Coup or invasion?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:44 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:44 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:45 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Beary Obama at August 10, 2014 04:45 PM (2990o)
To say coup is to imply that some other controlling political/military
force of legitimacy within the country's power structure is taking
control.
Coup or invasion?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:44 PM (vLKcC)
Unprecedented deployment of #Maliki militia and security forces across the streets of #Baghdad. #Iraq #ISIS
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 10, 2014 04:45 PM (0t4iq)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:46 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:46 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:46 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 04:48 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 04:48 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:48 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:51 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:52 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 04:52 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:53 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 04:54 PM (ZPrif)
I saw a story today where V8 100% vegetable juice had animal parts in it."
Probably does.
Try not to think about the bug parts in your morning cereal.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:55 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:56 PM (oX78M)
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She just caused another wreck.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:56 PM (3W1WP)
I know Pixy won't allow links right now, but if anyone could point me to a report, I'd appreciate it.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 04:57 PM (eAJwE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:57 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 04:58 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 04:58 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 04:58 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 04:58 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:58 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 10, 2014 04:59 PM (zfY+H)
http://online.wsj.com/articles/
u-s-relocates-limited-number-of-staff-in-iraq-1407699105
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 04:59 PM (X6zQy)
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Nope. Trying to parallel park in her pit box.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 04:59 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:58 PM (vLKcC)<<<
She. sounds. hideous.
Posted by: angry wife, in a State Farm commercial at August 10, 2014 05:00 PM (2990o)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 05:00 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 10, 2014 05:01 PM (0FSuD)
I never liked spicy V8"
Gotta say. This Kroger store brand is pretty good. Normally I'd add some Tobasco or Louisiana and pepper but it's doing fine on it's own so far.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:02 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: obama wilde at August 10, 2014 05:02 PM (15ARa)
Posted by: Boss Moss
_____________________________________
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63VwlFvKBy4
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 05:03 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 05:03 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at August 10, 2014 05:04 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 05:04 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: inspectorudy at August 10, 2014 04:05 PM (r8HNW)
Didn't read the link, did you? They were running under a yellow caution flag, and doing about 40 mph.
The kid, Ward, created the situation that led to his death. Stewart may have tried to spray him with dirt by gunning the engine, or he may have gunned the engine in a vain attempt to avoid hitting Ward. He may not have even seen Ward until it was too late, and the engine gunning was meant as a "fuck you" to the Ward that Stewart assumed was still in his crashed car.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2014 05:05 PM (OsHiD)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at August 10, 2014 05:05 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:05 PM (vLKcC)
Possibly not the most efficient use of their advertising budget.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 05:05 PM (ZPrif)
Al-Maliki insists in staying for a third term and refuses the delay until the 19th as agreed among parties. #Baghdad #Iraq
Just what that region needed, a little more chaos.
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 05:06 PM (X6zQy)
376
I'm watching the race on ESPN. They just advertised for
WhereBlackPeopleMeet.com, a dating site for, it would appear, black
people.
Possibly not the most efficient use of their advertising budget.
WTF you talking about. You know how many fans I have?
http://tinyurl.com/ctsnbhp
Posted by: Willie T. Ribbs at August 10, 2014 05:08 PM (0FSuD)
Possibly not the most efficient use of their advertising budget.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 05:05 PM (ZPrif)
********
What? There are probably 10's of black dudes watching NASCAR right now. It is micro-marketing.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at August 10, 2014 05:08 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:08 PM (vLKcC)
How many embassies has Little Barry McFancyPants ceded to our enemies in exchange for greens fees and country club memberships?
Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2014 05:09 PM (3wLHY)
Posted by: Jen Psaki at August 10, 2014 05:09 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:09 PM (vLKcC)
WhereBlackPeopleMeet.com, a dating site for, it would appear, black
people.
Not raysis. Definitely not.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 05:09 PM (eAJwE)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 10, 2014 05:10 PM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Zombie Saddam at August 10, 2014 05:10 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 05:11 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 10, 2014 05:11 PM (8FyP4)
"
I never liked spicy V8"
Gotta say. This Kroger store
brand is pretty good. Normally I'd add some Tobasco or Louisiana and
pepper but it's doing fine on it's own so far.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Tobasco is is not bad. Just a dash....
Posted by: backhoe at August 10, 2014 05:11 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:11 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Zombie Khadafi at August 10, 2014 05:11 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 05:12 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Not so Zombie Hosni Mubarek at August 10, 2014 05:13 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:13 PM (vLKcC)
Sorry chiefjaybob. This was my, obviously poor, attempt at humor. I fully understand that this was a race and that Ward was not a pedestrian. I was referencing the people around here that will walk in front of a car, whether they are in a crosswalk or not, whether or not the driver approaching can see them and stop in time, because the crosswalk rule has them behaving like they are freaking Superman.
A 4000 pound car versus a 180 pound person. Who will win?
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2014 03:25 PM (3yofE)
......................................................................
And I appologize for missing your "/snark" tags. Ace won't upgrade me to Platinum Membership, so those don't display and I don't get ampersands. I think this is on purpose so he can laugh at me when I step on my peter.
Posted by: chiefjaybob at August 10, 2014 05:14 PM (cgH9o)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:14 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 04:51 PM (vLKcC)
Mix it with vodka on the rocks, adding a splash each of Tabasco and Worcestershire sauce, garnish with spicy salt and a celery stick, and you have a Caesar. Wicked good drink.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2014 05:16 PM (OsHiD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 05:16 PM (oX78M)
http://online.wsj.com/articles/
u-s-relocates-limited-number-of-staff-in-iraq-1407699105
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 04:59 PM (X6zQy)
Thank you!
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 05:17 PM (eAJwE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2014 05:19 PM (oX78M)
Posted by: Alexander at August 10, 2014 05:20 PM (4h0z0)
each of Tabasco and Worcestershire sauce, garnish with spicy salt and a
celery stick, and you have a Caesar. Wicked good drink."
Do all that......'cept for the worcesterchire. Heard that a lot lately.
Worcestershire. Hmmm....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:20 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 05:22 PM (X6zQy)
Posted by: akula51 at August 10, 2014 05:22 PM (X6zQy)
I've been thinking that must be what he wants. His behavior doesn't make sense otherwise.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 05:23 PM (eAJwE)
Posted by: Yip at August 10, 2014 05:27 PM (VllE5)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 05:28 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Trainer's looking to join a Militia. at August 10, 2014 05:29 PM (7EbAY)
Posted by: Boromir at August 10, 2014 05:33 PM (qyomX)
"Tobasco is is not bad. Just a dash...."
It generally never hurts.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
I have always liked spicy food. Since getting a tooth pulled it has not been the same for me.
Posted by: backhoe at August 10, 2014 05:35 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: rumcrook at August 10, 2014 05:41 PM (60WiD)
Posted by: Erowmero at August 10, 2014 05:42 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:42 PM (vLKcC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:43 PM (vLKcC)
The young man would be alive if he followed the rules.
He did not follow the rules. He is dead.
Let that be a warning to other drivers.
Posted by: tug at August 10, 2014 05:44 PM (0LpcO)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 10, 2014 05:44 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Dr. Freud at August 10, 2014 05:45 PM (3W1WP)
Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-419 days left until climate chaos) at August 10, 2014 05:46 PM (JwlHR)
Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-419 days left until climate chaos) at August 10, 2014 05:47 PM (JwlHR)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2014 05:48 PM (vLKcC)
Do we know that he gunned the engine prior to Ward getting caught up in the tire? Maybe Stewart gunned the engine after he felt Ward get pulled under the tire and gunned it to get the car off of Ward as soon as possible?
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at August 10, 2014 05:52 PM (7A4qQ)
Posted by: Kamal Ataturk at August 10, 2014 05:57 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at August 10, 2014 05:52 PM (7A4qQ)
I don't know. I watched the vid a shitload of times. It looks like
Stewarts car was following the exact same frigging line as the blue car
that was in front of him. I don't see Stewart's car move left or right a
fucking inch until after contact with the Ward dude.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 10, 2014 05:58 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: bergerbilder at August 10, 2014 06:00 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 06:01 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-419 days left until climate chaos) at August 10, 2014 06:02 PM (JwlHR)
If you want to judge Stewart's response, you have to first decide WHAT he was responding to. Was the guy running in front of a vehicle to commit suicide? Was he doing it to force Stewart into a wreck in retaliation?
Take your pick. Once you answer what Stewart was responding to, you are left with only one conclusion: Stewart did not create this situation.
I am not a racing fan. If you put that in front of a jury of ordinary people, it will go nowhere fast.
Posted by: George at August 10, 2014 06:02 PM (Xf1Tv)
Posted by: Mel at August 10, 2014 06:05 PM (SPW3s)
"I have always liked spicy food."
I usually add a little kink to just about anything I eat.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Yep- pepper if they pack it. Other wise fresh ground. And I like salt....
Hot Chinese. Hot Thai or Mexican....
i
Posted by: backhoe at August 10, 2014 06:11 PM (ULH4o)
As probe begins, Stewart steps away from the track
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20140810/us--tony_stewart-crash-1a73c08c8c.html
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 06:12 PM (eAJwE)
Zaid Benjamin @zaidbenjamin 25m
#Breaking: Security forces have encircled the residence of the Iraqi President - Sharqiah News
Michael Holmes @holmescnn 11m
#iraq police officials tell @mtawfeeqCNN Iraqi troops and sec forces deployed in and around the green zone. Major bridges closed.
Ranj Alaaldin @RanjAlaaldin 6m
Confirmation from Baghdad that Maliki forces are now close by but haven't surrounded the presidential palace per se.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 06:14 PM (ZPrif)
So it looks like a military coup against Maliki? Stunning.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 06:15 PM (eAJwE)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 06:18 PM (ZPrif)
Matt Bradley @MattMcBradley
As PM Maliki delivered angry speech because he wasn't nominated as the next PM, security forces reportedly fanned out across Baghdad. #Iraq
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 06:18 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: backhoe at August 10, 2014 06:19 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 06:18 PM (ZPrif)
OK, thanks. Still stunning.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 06:19 PM (eAJwE)
Razor @hale_razor 15m
Reports of a Maliki military coup in Baghdad, and Obama is having a great time golfing with Ray Allen and Ahmad Rashad. #iraq
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 06:21 PM (ZPrif)
Military Coup In Iraq: Prime Minister Maliki Refuses To Step Down; Security Forces On Alert, Encircle Presidential Palace
http://www.zerohedge.com/
news/2014-08-10/coup-iraq-prime-minister-maliki-refuses-step-down-orders-security-forces-alert
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 06:27 PM (eAJwE)
Posted by: Brock O'bama at August 10, 2014 06:29 PM (/WZ6r)
Pro-Maliki Shi'ite militias step up Baghdad patrols after his speech
http://uk.reuters.com/
article/2014/08/10/iraq-security-maliki-militias-idUKL6N0QG1HF20140810
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 06:40 PM (eAJwE)
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The fatality was unavoidable and there was absolutely no way she
could have avoided it, but it haunted her until the day she died.
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2014 03:50 PM (4nR9/)
Not long ago I remember reading about a guy who stepped in front of a
train. The engineer got to look him right in the eye as he ran over
him. I'm sure he'll have nightmares about that for the rest of his
life.
There seems to be a narcissistic element to suicides like that.
Look at me! Pay attention to me! Better to just stick your head in the
oven and turn on the gas.
Posted by: rickl
I have known a few train drivers....
"It's the eyes that get you..."
Last thing you see....
Posted by: backhoe at August 10, 2014 06:49 PM (ULH4o)
..
Posted by: kansas at August 10, 2014 06:53 PM (uBVzH)
Car #46 eased by on the bottom at half the speed of the infamous hotheaded #14. The video will be reviewed at trial and prove this true.
Smoke tried to spray him with dirt - misjudged the slide. Glad I'm not him.
2nd degree murder. A big civil payout to the family at best.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at August 10, 2014 07:04 PM (/djtm)
Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs (Iraq and Iran)
Brett McGurk @brett_mcgurk 43m
Fully support President of #Iraq Fuad Masum as guarantor of the Constitution and a PM nominee who can build a national consensus.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 07:05 PM (ZPrif)
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Try examining the evidence with a hint of objectivity.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 10, 2014 07:06 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Ronster at August 10, 2014 07:08 PM (jiYEJ)
Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 10, 2014 07:11 PM (4DCSq)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 10, 2014 07:18 PM (eAJwE)
Posted by: rexbatt at August 10, 2014 07:20 PM (woA40)
Posted by: Ronster at August 10, 2014 07:22 PM (jiYEJ)
A known hot head and one of the most experienced sprint car and Nascar drivers in history didn't want to be called out by a 20 year old during a $1,500 race in which the known hot head wrecked the young up start who, I'm sure wanted to show the superstar a thing or two and was pissed he got wiped out.
Up thread commenters were posting about the helmet thrower apparently not knowing the helmet thrower was Smoke.
Watch car 46. Count the frames for the speed. Compare the speed to the hotheaded superstar's car.
I don't need objectivity. Just the facts ma'am.
Generally, I enjoy your comments but I we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at August 10, 2014 07:29 PM (VFtpe)
Posted by: Leland at August 10, 2014 07:31 PM (3R7WS)
Actually, no, there is such a thing as a "dart-out", a collision no driver can avoid.
I know a lady who killed a kid who ran out from in between two parked cars. She was not going terribly fast. But, the kid was killed and the police ruled it as a dart out, and she was not charged.
Posted by: navybrat at August 10, 2014 10:24 PM (JgC5a)
Posted by: Samantha Jentsch at August 10, 2014 10:29 PM (yRhrC)
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at August 11, 2014 12:11 AM (2/oBD)
you are dumb.
This was a race and this occurred on a race track. there is no pedestrian walkway on a race track. and in case this escaped you as well, these guys aren't exactly abiding by the speeding limits - because this isn't a public street!
alright, i am done venting. I feel better now.
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at August 11, 2014 12:14 AM (2/oBD)
Posted by: Smarty at August 11, 2014 11:52 AM (lHj4q)
Posted by: Sponge at August 11, 2014 01:31 PM (xmcEQ)
1) Dirt cars turn for shit, especially at low speeds. Sprint cars are the worst of the bunch. See those 8" wide front tires? See those 24" wide rear tires? If the rears aren't spinning (IE broken traction like when they're at speed), how well do you think those cars answer the commands from the steering wheel? Answer: Not very fucking well. You don't steer a sprint car at caution speed, you suggest where you'd like it to go, preferably many hundreds of yards before you get there, and hope the car listens (this is why you start early, so you can make another suggestion before its too late). There is no such thing as a last second precision steering correction in a sprint car at caution speed. Put it out of you mind, it's simply not mechanically possible.
2) Dirt cars often run brakes on only three wheels. Why? Because they use the brakes to set the car into the corner, and having no brake on the right front makes the car yaw left pretty significantly when you stomp the brakes. Works like a champ at speed. Downside? When you hit the brakes in a panic stop, the car yaws hard to the left. Most of the time you end up spinning out.
3) In order to throw the car sideways to "spray the guy with dirt", you'd have to spin the tires up and waggle the car right then left. It's not a maneuver you pull off in half a second, and not one I've ever seen anyone attempt to aim at someone on foot. It's an idiotic thing that someone who's never driven a race car thought up to explain why Stewart "had to be" at fault.
4) People on foot get hit on race tracks all the time. Every single year one or more people get hit by race cars under caution, rolling by at caution speed. The only reason this one is news is because one of the people involved is famous and rich. Who are those people and why are they on the race track? 'Cause the drivers don't have radios or mirrors or any kind of way to communicate with officials, so when they need to be realigned during a caution, someone has to go out on the race track, get the driver's attention and then tell him what to do as he whizzes by at 40-50 mph. Sometimes the official gets to close, or the driver can't see him, and he gets run over. It sucks a lot, but it happens every single year at least once. They don't always die, but a lot of times they do.
5)Race cars are very difficult to see out of, even looking forward. Dirt racing is done almost as much by feel as it is by vision. These cars are very hard to see out of in the ~30° of forward area not obstructed by the wing, for the other 330°, it's not hard to see, it's impossible. I have, on more than one occasion, dodged something on the race track or flying through the air that I thought at the time was a dirt clod, but turned out to be a wheel or a drive shaft. I had no idea until I'd seen the tape after everything was over. Things are happening so fast, and you have so very little vision or control, that you can't take in all the little details. It's easier under caution, but still by no means a drive to CostCo. I can absolutely see hitting a guy who's wearing all black on the racetrack simply because you never saw him. Hell I once damned near hit a parked ATV on the race track because it was all black and parked in an area that was poorly lit.
6) Dirt racers have tearoffs on their visors. Nobody has talked about this, but it makes a HUGE difference to how well you see. A tearoff is a thin plastic sheet that you layer over the visor on your helmet so you can "tear it off" when the visor gets covered in mud. I'd run between 25 and 30 of them for a feature race (the one one at the end of the night), so I could pull on on every lap and not run out. They're great to keep the sticky mud at bay. HOWEVER, there is a down side. Every extra layer adds extra glare, and another place for dust to collect. Looking through 30 tearoffs on a dusty night at a track where the lights are poorly aimed is just about as close to racing blind as you can get. The glare is awful, and dust gets between every tearoff and dims the light coming through to something like wearing sunglasses at night. Add that to the very restricted visibility in a sprint car already, and you can see how easy it would be not even see a person on foot until you were literally already on top of them.
It's tragic that this kid died (nobody wants to see a promising young racer die on a race track), but this whole deal has been wildly over blown. Tony did not run him down on purpose, I'd be real surprised if he even saw the kid before he hit him.
The bottom line is this: Racing is dangerous, but like most things in life, it is even more dangerous if you are stupid. The kid was stupid for getting out of his car and running into a stream of oncoming race cars. He didn't deserve to die for doing something stupid like that, but at the same time, he's the one who made the call to put himself in that position where he could be killed. If he'd have stayed in his car or up near his car, he'd still be alive and pissed off a Stewart today.
I NEVER got out of my car until it became obvious that I was going to have to for the safety crews to move it. Otherwise, I'd ride into the pits on the back of the hook inside the car, belted in, because I've been hit under caution fully five minutes after the wreck was over and the mess was being cleaned up. Anything can happen on a race track, so you go out there with that in mind and act accordingly. If you don't you can get killed.
This kid found that out the hard way, and because a rich/famous guy was involved, the media has suddenly discovered that racing is a cruel mistress, and they want blood.
Well, fuck them, and fuck all these armchair assholes who think that because they drive to work every day they know exactly what its like inside a sprint car, how they drive, and what Stewart was thinking at the instant the kid got hit.
You all don't know dick, so stow your righteous indignation and legal pronouncements up your fourth point of contact.
My condolences go out to both the kid's family and Tony Stewart, neither of which will ever be the same after this shitstorm, regardless of outcome.
Posted by: CoolHand at August 11, 2014 03:50 PM (3geg1)
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