Obama: "We tortured some folks"

This has long been Obama's position, and a position of the left generally -- that the three terrorist commanders (aka "some folks") we waterboarded were unjustly and cruelly "tortured."

It's not entirely surprising, then, that he should say this, but the offhanded flippancy of it does surprise.

Also surprising, though it should not be: The left likes to claim that they see the "nuances" and "context" of actions, whereas the right "simplifies" the facts into an easily-understood "morality play."

Nitwit British alleged comedian Russell Brand just criticized Sean Hannity for calling Hamas "terrorists." Brand argued that this is "simplistic" as it fails to take into account "the context."

The context he offers is this: Hamas is weaker, militarily, and is thus forced to do things which "we might perceive" as terrorist actions.

In other words, any group in a fight with a stronger group has the right to kidnap and murder hitchhiking teenagers, because, you know. You can do anything if you're judged to be the "weaker" party.

I wonder if, when those teenagers were being murdered by Hamas thugs, they felt as if they were the "dominant, hegemonic" power-players in that situation.

But to return to Obama: While the left claims it speaks in "nuances" and with all relevant "context" added -- that they are fact and science based (I love science) -- note how simplistically Obama puts this.

"We tortured some folks."

I don't see a lot of context there. I don't see the context that one of these three men was Khalid Sheik Mohammad, Osama bin Ladin's then number two, the man who quarterbacked the 9/11 terrorist operation that slaughtered nearly 3000 people, and the man with the contact information for terrorists who would revisit that same tragedy upon us again, if permitted to.

No mention that this process, waterboarding, has no permanent or even short-lasting effects at all, or that it is used on our own troops in order to prepare them for the treatment they will receive at the hands of enemy captors.

But no -- in Obama's formulation, "We tortured some folks."

"Context." "Nuance."

Listening to Brand and Obama, I had a realization.

People on the right often claim that people on the left are guilty of something called "moral relativism." Which, I believe, is defined as excusing/minimizing acts of cruelty, murder, and violence by looking at the "context" of those acts, and the "desperation" of the monsters perpetrating those acts, and judging that, in the scheme of things, they are either justified, or at least their culpability is mitigated -- "They had little choice." "These were the only weapons available to them."

But that's not quite right, I realized.

The left does indeed engage in moral relativism-- selectively.

For the enemies of America or Israel, or for the enemy of civilized, orderly society (say, the common street-murderer), the left does indeed engage in this analysis of moral relativism.

But what about for America itself, or Israel, or the family murdered by a "desperate" and poor lifelong criminal?

Does the left ever engage in the same moral relativistic thinking and say, of America, Israel, or a community outraged by murder, "Well, these people were scared. They felt as if they had no choice. Their anger can be excused and understood, and justified to some extent, because of the grievances they felt they had against their enemies."

No-- they do not. This moral relativism, the excusing and justifying of evil acts, is a one-way street only, only serving to apologize for people who kill Americans (or Westerners; the Israelis in this case are taken to be White Westerners).

This same "let's look at their grievances and how they felt justified" excuse is never, ever applied to America, Israel, or law-abiding folks outraged that a serious crime has occurred in their community.

In those cases, an absolutely sacrosanct and invariable ethic is applied -- and America, Israel, and law-abiding folks are found guilty of having violated it.

Obama, if he wishes to think himself "complex" and "cosmopolitan," may offer apologias for wicked acts committed by the enemies of America (or her allies) all he likes.

There is nothing, I don't think, inherently wrong about such thinking. (I believe here that many will sharply disagree with me.)

But how about extending the same "let's look at their grievances and feelings of outrage and powerlessness" excuses to our own country and own allies and own citizens once in a while too, huh?

They're not engaging in moral relativistic thinking, not really.

All they're doing is establishing a very friendly, very loose code of behavior for America's enemies, and a vindictively inviolable one to America itself.

Posted by: Ace at 03:46 PM

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1 Headed that way.

Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 01, 2014 03:48 PM (eEBON)

2 they'd do the same to us if given the opportunity

Posted by: doug the head at August 01, 2014 03:49 PM (8CdUx)

3 Called the folks, didn't torture them.

Posted by: Countrysquire, pronounced Gor - Don at August 01, 2014 03:49 PM (eEBON)

4 But the "folks" are Barack Hussein Obama's folks. The folks who want to bring America down.

Good essay, Ace.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2014 03:49 PM (oyOpn)

5 Beary wouldn't know nuance unless someone programmed it into his 'prompter. Then he might be able to say it.

Posted by: corpseman at August 01, 2014 03:49 PM (bAGA/)

6 Fuck that guy in particular.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 01, 2014 03:50 PM (DrWcr)

7 By we he means Booooosh....

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 03:50 PM (9+ccr)

8 Yes ace,the moral relativism from the left is always a one way street.

Posted by: steevy at August 01, 2014 03:51 PM (zqvg6)

9 The Senate report that Obama is claiming will say "We tortured some folk." says no such thing. In fact, it does not use the word torture at all.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 03:51 PM (ZPrif)

10 Last I looked torture is a crime. Obama just accused some CIA personnel of a crime not to mention the people who approved this policy.

Mind boggling.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 01, 2014 03:51 PM (g1DWB)

11 Hey asshole (Beary), torture is being covered in burning jet fuel and having to decide whether it's better to wait to die in prolonged excruciating pain, or jumping out 70 story building and dying in slightly less prolonged excruciating pain... like some of those "folks" made some of our "folks" do on 9/11.

Posted by: zombie George Washington, longtime lurker at August 01, 2014 03:52 PM (gr/F0)

12 Right-wingers, those subhuman vermin, aren't nuanced, subtle, context-laden thinkers like me.

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at August 01, 2014 03:52 PM (ZPrif)

13 11 Hey asshole (Beary), torture is being covered in burning jet fuel and having to decide whether it's better to wait to die in prolonged excruciating pain, or jumping out 70 story building and dying in slightly less prolonged excruciating pain... like some of those "folks" made some of our "folks" do on 9/11.

What you said...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 03:52 PM (9+ccr)

14 In point of fact and human nature, you *can* do anything as long as you win. The winning side tries war criminals.

Posted by: toby928(C) at August 01, 2014 03:52 PM (QupBk)

15 I want to say the left is selectively ethnocentric but that is the believe your culture is superior to all others not that all other cultures are superior to your own. We'll actually need a new word to describe the left's ethnic-retardation.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 01, 2014 03:53 PM (5UteM)

16 I too am noticing this weird new idea of the Left regarding war.

War is "unfair" if one side is winning or has better weapons than the other. Apparently wars should be indecisive stalemates, with equal damage done to both entities.

Except for the Left's political wars, of course. And global warming, where opponets should be jailed or killed off without mercy.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 01, 2014 03:53 PM (1Y+hH)

17 bonk bonk on the head

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 01, 2014 03:53 PM (RmZpe)

18 No-- they do not. This moral relativism, the excusing and justifying of evil acts, is a one-way street only, only serving to apologize for people who kill Americans (or Westerners; the Israelis in this case are taken to be White Westerners).

National divorce now. There is no reconciling with the left.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 03:53 PM (Uy+zs)

19 The contents of 'O Fucknuts head couldn't fill a thimble.

Posted by: Killerdog at August 01, 2014 03:54 PM (bf86W)

20 Look. You overcooked the meatloaf, I did that thing in your sister's mouth. So let's not quibble over who wronged whom, OK?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 01, 2014 03:54 PM (SY2Kh)

21 When your mind is as closed and tiny as your average progressive, then you would see so clearly why our "enemies" are morally superior to ourselves. Except for me, of course. I am also morally superior, to you, you tea party extremist. Yes, I am.

Idiots, the lot of them.

I'm sure the tiger will eat them last.

Posted by: tcn at August 01, 2014 03:54 PM (g+qqc)

22 >>Nitwit British alleged comedian Russell Brand just criticized Sean Hannity for calling Hamas "terrorists." Brand argued that this is "simplistic" as it fails to take into account "the context."

Here's the context you dummy, the United States State Department has had Hamas on the terrorist list since 1997 so blame Obama.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 01, 2014 03:54 PM (g1DWB)

23 >>War is "unfair" if one side is winning or has better weapons than the other. Apparently wars should be indecisive stalemates, with equal damage done to both entities.

Eminiar has always been at war with Vendikar.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 01, 2014 03:54 PM (RmZpe)

24 How did "we tortured some folks" come up?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 03:54 PM (9+ccr)

25 The actions of Obama aren't just misguided of wrong-headed, but are actually treasonous.

Why is anyone still giving him the benefit of the doubt?

Posted by: some guy at August 01, 2014 03:55 PM (QIVJq)

26 This has long been Obama's position, and a position of the left generally -- that the three terrorists leaders ("some folks") we waterboarded were unjustly and cruelly "tortured."

It is also McShitty's position. Since they are both assholes it is not surprising.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2014 03:55 PM (T2V/1)

27 I'm in my cave, beating my wife, and then BOOM, I'm being tortured at Gitmo! WTF Amercia?

Posted by: The Folks at Gitmo at August 01, 2014 03:55 PM (5UteM)

28 Beary wouldn't know nuance unless someone programmed it into his 'prompter. Then he might be able to say it.

Nuance. Rhymes with Beyonce.

Posted by: The President's Prompter at August 01, 2014 03:55 PM (J0IP0)

29 >>The context he offers is this: Hamas is weaker, militarily, and is thus forced to do things which "we might perceive" as terrorist actions<<

By that measure, and to the converse, the opposing party who is stronger should also be able to use all means in its disposal to ensure it continues to exist.

Let me simplify this for Brand: equal and opposing force. Plus.

It isn't Israel who is chartered to destroy Hamas, It is Hamas who is chartered to destroy Israel. They've stated' time and again, they will not give up that objective.

In that regard, the Israelis have shown great restraint. Because the enemy has said its objective is to destroy them. By any means.

Yet , they hold back. They restrain...when possible. Even when Hamas is hiding missiles in schools or hiding themselves behind children. Oh yeah and kidnapping people or bodies like the ghouls they are.

Let me make this simple for Mr. Celebrity dumbshit. Most people would not show that type of restraint when threatened with an existential threat. It's really no all that complicated. Somebody wants to destroy you and you want to live? You destroy them first. With prejudice and fire.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 01, 2014 03:56 PM (GGCsk)

30 This is just my simplistic rightwing way of thinking I guess, but if everythingOsays makes it sound likehe he sympathizes with our enemies instead of America, then I'm going to thinkhe's more sympathetic to our enemies, unlesshe gives me some convincing reason to think otherwise.

Posted by: Bud Norton at August 01, 2014 03:56 PM (6cOMd)

31 How did "we tortured some folks" come up?
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I think it was in the one question about the CIA hacking the Senate.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 03:56 PM (ZPrif)

32 They said War is hell for a reason...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 03:56 PM (9+ccr)

33 I'm the child of what were probably shipbreakers and pirates. Mom was a Master Sarge in the WAAC.

I do not have cuss words vile enough to describe this con man....

Posted by: backhoe at August 01, 2014 03:57 PM (ULH4o)

34
And the reason for the moral relativism boils down to patronizing racism and (to a much smaller degree) classism.

The bad guys the left letsoff the hookare brown people.

They do not let scared white people off the hook any more, but they used to let poor whites and the Amish off the hook for any "bad deeds" they might commit (lawlessness, in the case of the Appalachian folks, and not sending their kids to school and other quaint behavior, in the case of Amish).

But anybody who should "know better" such as Christians, [white] Americans, etc. gets a special form of vitriol.

It's almost like they all fancy themselves as Lawrence of Arabia, "down" with the America haters. They all see themselves as the great white saviors, the idiots living among the tribes and showing them the way. They get a thrill out of their perceived "hanging" with / alignment withthe scary, dangerous folks and feel like if they wear that stupid black and white tablecloth scarf, that they are somehow part of the club.

I am related to people who think like this. They think they, as a class, need to save Americans from themselves because we are too stupid to run our own lives. Further, theyconstantly take the side of the America-haters because the little brown people can't possibly be expected to behave in a rational, civilized fashion. The little brown people'sbehavior must be excused (because, after all, they aren't as sophisticated as white people from New Jersey).
It's so patronizing it hurts.

Posted by: the other coyote at August 01, 2014 03:57 PM (yK44T)

35 24
How did "we tortured some folks" come up?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink!

I believe he was asked to name his favorite movies and then BOOM, a HEADSHOT.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 01, 2014 03:57 PM (5UteM)

36

They are pro-war progs, working for the other side.

It explains everything...go back a few decades to see it start.

That hag Piven is cackling somwhere.

Obama is probably the only pres who is actively working to weaken the US so that it's enemies can take advantage.

I don't think that statement is too far from the truth.

Of course, I'm a wacko, etc.

Posted by: Rev Dr E You Know It at August 01, 2014 03:58 PM (cNiT0)

37

"selective" is also relative

many do not "select" because the simply do not see the choices or sides, or facets

when people are "brainwashed," for lack of a better word, since being dumped into the public school system, what else to they really know? or believe?

Israel is bad.
What other side?

Republicans are evil.
No discussion.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 03:58 PM (IXrOn)

38 Yes, context and the relevant context is this. For all leftists, including the Choom King, America is always the enemy. So it doesn't matter what we do, we are always wrong.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2014 03:58 PM (T2V/1)

39 Some things never change.

Never mind what liberals do: Choom Boy's comments after 9/11/01 (look 'em up if you don't remember) included an admonition that we had to understand what made the Muzzie scum drive airplanes into the WTC and Pentagon.

I would have thought in '08 that senile John McCain would have gotten on the Mocha Messiah for spewing such treasonous, America-hating and downright false bullshit, but nooooo....

In short, "folks" is his dismissive term for people he uses to get his way and further (at least by paying for) his agenda.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 01, 2014 03:58 PM (dDzOj)

40 All they're doing is establishing a very friendly, very loose code of behavior for America's enemies, and a vindictively inviolable one to America itself.

Close. They believe that They (They being the Left) are the only ones who are fully formed human beings who are capable of thought, free will and agency. The Poor Beleaguered Other is not yet fully human but can become so after the guidance that They provide.

The Right? The Right are not even homo sapiens and thus are not entitled to any respect as a member of humankind at all.

It's tremendously arrogant and self-aggrandizing.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 01, 2014 03:59 PM (mf5HN)

41 I continue to await the media's outrage over the 1500 Iraqi soldiers executed by ISIS.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 03:59 PM (x3YFz)

42 The Left's behavior is pretty simple.

The Left treats us like their ex-husband. Every action we take and every word we say is interpreted in the worst possible light.

The Left treats Hamas, and anyone who hates us, the reverse and interpret every action and word of theirs in the best possible light. That's where all the context-laden subtlety comes in.

Black and white thinking is easy to engage in when thinking about people you hate.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 03:59 PM (ZPrif)

43 I'm going to torture some cats.

Posted by: Killerdog at August 01, 2014 04:00 PM (bf86W)

44 My quick response is the absurd Rules of Engagement forced upon our military in hot combat zones, against an enemy with no scruples, are yet another example of the selective outrage of our betters!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2014 04:00 PM (o3MSL)

45 He is a fucking disgrace and is unworthy of speaking in any capacity against this country. His closest friends were fucking terrorists, for crissakes.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7- 8) at August 01, 2014 04:00 PM (BZAd3)

46 5 Beary

Heh

Posted by: Citizen X at August 01, 2014 04:01 PM (7ObY1)

47 I think it's gone past moral-relativism. The left (and the regime) wants us dead. There, I said it.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 04:01 PM (He6PZ)

48 hmmmm
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64 5m
Reminder: If Obama believes we tortured-as he just said-he is obligated by U.S. law to investigate, refer for prosecution.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:01 PM (ZPrif)

49 Goode post.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 01, 2014 04:01 PM (5UteM)

50 John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy have been falsely contextualized as well and I will not rest until their good names have been exonerated!

...And shit.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2014 04:02 PM (NpXoL)

51 I don't think its even that complicated or intentional. Its just Obama saying "remember why you were so angry a few years back and voted Democrats in? Get out and vote for us again this November."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 04:02 PM (zfY+H)

52 47 I think it's gone past moral-relativism. The left (and the regime) wants us dead. There, I said it.

Nah, they need us. We're the productive ones. They just want to keep us in "line."

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 04:02 PM (9+ccr)

53 Reminder: If Obama believes we tortured-as he just said-he is obligated by U.S. law to investigate, refer for prosecution.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:01 PM

Now, that's something Eric Holder might be able to get behind.

Posted by: huerfano at August 01, 2014 04:02 PM (bAGA/)

54 The Left is less judgmental about the average murderer and rapist than they are about Ted Cruz.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:03 PM (ZPrif)

55 It may be one of the squirrels that Obama sends out- at some point-an EO calling for the trying of Bush and Cheney for war crimes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2014 04:03 PM (oyOpn)

56 54 The Left is less judgmental about the average murderer and rapist than they are about Ted Cruz.

Look at their adoration of Mumia the cop killer...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 04:03 PM (9+ccr)

57 >>Conor Friedersdorf @conor64 5m
Reminder: If Obama believes we tortured-as he just said-he is obligated by U.S. law to investigate, refer for prosecution.

Exactly. And how soon do you think we will hear from our friends in The Hague about war crimes charges for Bush and Cheney?

What an asshole.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (g1DWB)

58 The Right? The Right are not even homo sapiens and thus are not entitled to any respect as a member of humankind at all.

It's tremendously arrogant and self-aggrandizing.

Also possibly fatal.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (Uy+zs)

59 IOW, Daddy issues.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (36Rjy)

60 Several years ago Evan Sayet gave a speech explaining his theory on this topic. It is very good. He entitled it Regurgitating the Apple. The idea is that the way we can get back to the Garden of Eden is to regurgitate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If we just refuse to recognize that there is a difference between good and evil by not being judgmental or discriminating and embracing diversity and multiculturalism. I'll try to find the video.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (Mogjf)

61 I droned some folks. Almost seems worse, in a way.

Posted by: Barack O' Shitstain at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (k8m83)

62 Nitwit British alleged comedian Russell Brand just criticized Sean Hannity for calling Hamas "terrorists."

Who cares what that slimy limey says

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (1Jaio)

63 This is the same equivocation as Clinton on 9-11 bragging he had the change to get UBL and didn't. For the children.

Then 3,000 Americans died as a result.

Just curious: is that a fair tradeoff? Does Clinto regret that decision or not?

To make matters worse- Obama has the perspective of 9-11. He knows what is going on and still rends garments over "torture". Which this really wasn't.

Someone made the call to perform that "torture" or procedure or whatever you want to call it. That was the right call at the time, because the job of that person was to protect Americans. Not the Tali's. In their estimation it was worth the call. I agree. It was a judgment call and the right one.

That's who I want in office. A person that has the American peoples best interests in mind and is a leader. Not some political shithead who hides his leftist philosophy behind some type of fake morality.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (GGCsk)

64 as i said on the last thread I believe Obama kept Rendition and i've also heard He drones 'folks'.

Posted by: willow at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (nqBYe)

65 The left is morally relativistic when it comes to their own behavior. "Who are you to judge?!"

They are culturally relativistic when it comes to other societies. "It's just their culture to rape women and mutilate their genitals. "

There are several issues with cultural relativism. First it is, as you recognized, typically used to excuse very specific behavior of an otherwise favorited group. Thus we end up excusing blatant misogyny in Islam while hyperventilating about "sexism" in Christianity. Were these liberals truly cultural relativists they'd be excusing the Catholic Church's lack of women priests with the same gusto with which they defend burkas.

That's an issue with application of the theory, but even more damning is the fact that if you make an argument for cultural relativism you necessarily undermine anyone trying to reform the culture. If all cultures are "good" but different anyone saying that the culture is bad and needs reform must be wrong, and this bad himself. Thus you have liberal feminists screaming about the oppression of women in one breath and denouncing Hirsi Ali in the next.

It's a stupid, juvenile moral system for stupid, juvenile people.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (BPMYx)

66
52 No kidding. The ones I know think fly-over country exists to provide them with oil and food. They aren't going to explore for oil or gas in their state, "that's what Oklahoma is for."

I keep wondering what would make these teenagers wake up. What would scare them so badly that they would come running back to the grown-ups for protection? We haven't seen it yet, I don't think, but I hate to imagine how bad it has to get given how bold these jackwagons have become.

Posted by: the other coyote at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (yK44T)

67 Thoughtful post ace. I agree with you on the selectivity of the left's selective morality. As a philosophical theory, though, Utilitarianism will always fall short, which is what you're defending (specifically Rule Utilitarianism).

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at August 01, 2014 04:05 PM (uzEB6)

68 What I still find surprising and questionable is how this treasonous bastard got elected to a second term. There has to be more to it than just a lot people want free shit.

I realize that the MFM has covered his ass for the 6 years he has been in office but 53% of the public can not be stupid enough to believe what the MFM is doing for him.

Well.... maybe.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2014 04:05 PM (T2V/1)

69 Conor Friedersdorf @conor64 7m
The torture treaty, signed by Reagan and ratified by Senate, is binding US law.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:05 PM (ZPrif)

70 Nazi Germany was weaker militarily than the Allied powers. So they were in the right all along!

Posted by: Russell Brand at August 01, 2014 04:06 PM (k8m83)

71 Crap, I got willowed.

For once I'm going to pull up what I had previously commented, since for once in a blue moon it's actually on topic for the nood. To wit:

If waterboarding is torture, then the US military routinely "tortures" its aircrew and special operators when sending them through SERE training.

I, meanwhile, stick to my position that I've held from the beginning. That interrogating terrorists in any way, shape or form, with or without waterboarding, is a giant error.

They should instead be classified as combatants not in uniform under the Geneva conventions, and sent to drumhead courts-martial, after which they would be shot stone cold dead by military firing squads.

No icky torture here! And scrupulously on the up and up with regard to international law.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:06 PM (noWW6)

72
Waterboarding people = torture

Killing them while they're "tending" their sheep, with a drone = Unicorns and Rainbows

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 01, 2014 04:06 PM (5UteM)

73 How many innocents have you killed in drone strikes, Barry?

Go ahead, I'll wait.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 01, 2014 04:06 PM (oFCZn)

74 This piece over at IJReview is kind of an adjunct piece to this post, albeit fluffier.

10 Indisputable Reasons Why Democrat Party Leaders Don't Care About Your Precious 'Freedom'

1. No Money in It for Them
2. No Power in It for Them
3. No Fame in It for Them
4. "Caring" is Easier Than Getting a "Job"
5. Freedom Means Having to Argue Your Point Rationally
6. Freedom Means Having to Put Up with "Impurity" in Society
7. Freedom Means Accepting That Life Isn't Always Fair
8. (Ironically) Democrats Cannot Accept "Democratic" Rule
9. Freedom Means Being Held Accountable for One's Action
10. Democrats Abuse the Government to Bully Their Opposition

the cultural/pop clips and associated explanations for each are worth a trip over there:

http://tinyurl.com/o7cw2sy

then back here of course

selectively

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 04:06 PM (IXrOn)

75 Obama, if he wishes to think himself "complex" and "cosmopolitan," may offer apologias for wicked acts committed by the enemies of America (or her allies) all he likes.

There is nothing, I don't think, inherently wrong about such thinking. (I believe here that many will sharply disagree with me.)

There is nothing inherently wrong about trying to understand the motivations of the enemy. It's important to do so in order to discover what is most important to the enemy.

And then you destroy it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 01, 2014 04:06 PM (mf5HN)

76 I think it's gone past moral-relativism. The left (and the regime) wants us dead. There, I said it.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 04:01 PM (He6PZ)

I'm hard to kill.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:06 PM (x3YFz)

77 Chaining a mentally handicapped man to either starve or be killed when the IDF strikes the building.

What say you Russel?

Posted by: RWC at August 01, 2014 04:07 PM (jTN/K)

78 Nitwit British alleged comedian Russell Brand just criticized Sean
Hannity for calling Hamas "terrorists." Brand argued that this is
"simplistic" as it fails to take into account "the context."

Something else I find unbelievable is that big titied Katy Perry screwed that bastard.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2014 04:08 PM (T2V/1)

79 We have to take their base of operations out. Force the universities to teach our curricula and to do so honestly. Remove the professors and administrators who refuse to live by our rules.

Let the better argument win - which we have. They can't prevail unless we're shut out, like we are now.

Posted by: Blor Utar at August 01, 2014 04:08 PM (sXT9X)

80 How many times have we gone over this torture stuff. The tried for years to take down Bush etal.... Why now? obama afraid his little drone brigades might not be so legal after all?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 04:08 PM (9+ccr)

81 Nah, they need us. We're the productive ones. They just want to keep us in "line."
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 04:02 PM (9+ccr)

------------------------------------------

Be forewarned. We're in the process of being replaced by the brown people. They're the left's future producers (or so they think). And they are much easier to control.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 04:08 PM (He6PZ)

82 I dunno - maybe this Russell Brand chap is just dumber than dog shit.

Posted by: apb at August 01, 2014 04:09 PM (v1fgg)

83 FFS when did Russel Brand become the moral sounding board for all the world to refer?

I fuckin piss on Russel Brand and his smarmy, pencil neck, fuck-face.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2014 04:10 PM (NpXoL)

84 82 I dunno - maybe this Russell Brand chap is just dumber than dog shit.

That's an insult to dog shit...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 04:10 PM (9+ccr)

85 The little brown people's behavior must be
excused (because, after all, they aren't as sophisticated as white
people from New Jersey). It's so patronizing it hurts.

The progs deny agency to all the groups they claim to protect. This is internally contradictory most often with respect to women (feminists will alternately claim I AM VAGINA HEAR ME ROAR and that women are delicate flowers who will faint and wilt away if you don't provide 'trigger warnings'), but it happens everywhere.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 01, 2014 04:10 PM (B/VB5)

86 "I keep wondering what would make these teenagers wake up. What would scare them so badly that they would come running back to the grown-ups for protection?"

I would guess that will happen about ten microseconds after someone kicks over a bucket of sunshine in a major American city.

That major American city is almost certainly going to be a coastal metropolis in a liberal blue state. Getting a rude, loud, big, bright and extremely hot wake-up call.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:10 PM (noWW6)

87 Americans have American privilege, it's as simple as that. These people think like toddlers, that whoever is lower on the advantage scale is allowed to do what they wish in an effort to square things.

This is how they look at everything, from welfare to warfare to sex.

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 01, 2014 04:10 PM (uH1Id)

88 Waterboarding people = torture

We could stab them in the back of the neck with a scissors, then literally tear them limb-from-limb. That's not torture, it's "healthcare"[sic].

O_o

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 01, 2014 04:10 PM (/kI1Q)

89 so if Germany had won and kept control of Europe in the 1940s, most Europeans would believe that Germany had saved them from the evil world controlling Jews.

Got it.

Posted by: mallfly at August 01, 2014 04:10 PM (bJm7W)

90 "We abandoned some folks" -- Obama on Crimea

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (5UteM)

91 Selective relativism = rooting for enemy.

Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (VhqUZ)

92 Oh, China just unveiled their next-gen ICBM nukes.

Reuters World @ReutersWorld
Chinese provincial agency may have confirmed secret long-range missile http://reut.rs/1nYQCuG

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (ZPrif)

93 "73
How many innocents have you killed in drone strikes, Barry?

Go ahead, I'll wait."

No kidding. Water boarding = heinous torture, while killing and maiming the terrorists with drone strikes = acceptable and lawful usage of military assets.

Obama and his ilk don't give a damn about how hypocritical they are and they can't be shamed into changing, either.

Posted by: Blor Utar at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (sXT9X)

94 The leftard definition of "Complex" used to be called stupid and ignorant.

Posted by: maddogg at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (xWW96)

95 Water boarding the AQ no. 2, then giving him 3 hots and a cot for the next dozen years is despicable and cowardly.

Shooting the AQ no. 1 without giving a chance to surrender is perfectly reasonable.

Posted by: Ivy League Policy Wonk (no socks, no tie, but way way way smarter than you guys with the short hair) at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (1mtKP)

96
Count me in the "they want us dead" column.

And I don't think a National Divorce would fix it. Because if we left and prospered, while they stayed and suffered, they would just hate us more.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (x+bQ+)

97 63 Posted by: Marcus T at August 01, 2014 04:04 PM (GGCsk)

Clinton was and is a liar. The guy who carried the "football" for him wrote in his book that the time they had a chance to "get" Ben Laden they could not drag Clinton off the golf course. He didn't want to get him and he was too concerned with enjoying the soft life in the WH, including chubby young interns.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2014 04:12 PM (T2V/1)

98 They should instead be classified as combatants not in uniform under the
Geneva conventions, and sent to drumhead courts-martial, after which
they would be shot stone cold dead by military firing squads.

This! - enemy agents without uniform. firing squad. Cheap and quick. Also, a real disincentive.

Posted by: free tibet, etc. at August 01, 2014 04:12 PM (lAXNl)

99 Here is Sayet's speech. It is well worth the 45 minutes. It is humerous and insightful.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 01, 2014 04:12 PM (Mogjf)

100 Funny how Obama complains about wars like Iraq and preaches to us how we should build the peace. How we should move beyond war. How we should negotiate and be understanding of other cultures. How WE shouldn't torture.

Then in post war Iraq, he leaves the Iraqis on their own to be tortured and murdered by people we had almost completely defeated.

Foreign policy? What foreign policy.

I am just curious how he feels now that genocidal maniacs are running across the middle east, unrestricted. Where's the morality there in leaving people on their own when you had the means to help.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 01, 2014 04:12 PM (GGCsk)

101 We have to take their base of operations out. Force
the universities to teach our curricula and to do so honestly. Remove
the professors and administrators who refuse to live by our rules.

Let the better argument win - which we have. They can't prevail unless we're shut out, like we are now.

Posted by: Blor Utar at August 01, 2014 04:08 PM (sXT9X)

That may not be the first best approach, but I agree in that we have to go on the intellectual offensive.

This idea of waiting for people to arrive at truth on their own isn't really working.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:13 PM (x3YFz)

102 98 - Spot on!

Posted by: Blor Utar at August 01, 2014 04:13 PM (sXT9X)

103 Zero's entire pholosophy of governance can be summarized in two words: Fuck it.

Posted by: maddogg at August 01, 2014 04:14 PM (xWW96)

104 And I don't think a National Divorce would fix it.

Because if we left and prospered, while they stayed and suffered, they would just hate us more.

Tough. What are they gonna do? Fight?
Then they'd get to find out just how unfair war really is.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:14 PM (Uy+zs)

105 thank Gawd the GOP ran electable candidates in 2008 2012, or we might have wound up with this incompetent idiot as President...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 01, 2014 04:14 PM (q+fqH)

106 He's the reason I keep my television off!
That mouth & TelePrompTer have tortured me for years. He's always on radio news too!
I don't want to bring iPad outside & listen online & I leave radio on porch.

I've had to listen to bits oh him for 7 years now, when he started running. I still cannot believe he was elected & reelected. What's wrong with electorate?
I'll be happy when he's gone.

Posted by: Carol at August 01, 2014 04:14 PM (sj3Ax)

107 "We ate some pets" Obama on lunch.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2014 04:14 PM (NpXoL)

108 DF-41 is the new Chinese nuke.
Longest range nuclear missile in the world, beating America's Minuteman missiles.

It's a big step up from their existing missile. Multiple warheads. Solid fuel. Mobile.

Old missile only has one warhead and requires a multiple hour fueling process before launch.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:14 PM (ZPrif)

109 I am just curious how he feels now that genocidal maniacs are running across the middle east, unrestricted.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a shit.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 01, 2014 04:14 PM (/kI1Q)

110 Let me make this simple for Mr. Celebrity dumbshit. Most people would not show that type of restraint when threatened with an existential threat.

WWTPD?

What would Tiglath-Pileser do?

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 01, 2014 04:15 PM (XPl/h)

111 repost from earlier

try to get into Kerry's head, dissecting his selective morals; this post does it

THE EVIL MIND OF JOHN KERRY

http://spectator.org/articles/60138/evil-mind-john-kerry

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 04:15 PM (IXrOn)

112 I had the same realization while reading Cooke's article about the self-described nerds that think they know better than us about all of the things. Their settled science is simply selective science. Their economic math is selective math. They work really hard to slander, cover up and ignore facts that they don't like and that is quite the opposite of smart.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at August 01, 2014 04:15 PM (Vp1dQ)

113 The narrative is oppressor and oppressed, Ace. Once that frame is set and the players put on their team, then the moral calculus can be done. The oppressed can engage in behavior that would make a Hun queasy and that is justified because they are oppressed. The oppressor cannot even use words to defend himself because he is an oppressor and this defense hampers the oppressed thus adding even more to the charges of oppression.

Add in some luke-warm Marxism and barely understood Leninistic phrases about imperialism and colonialism and you have something that you can use to "understand" everything that goes on in the world.*

*Of course treating all of these people as being incapable of making moral decsions and reducing everything to a template cut purely from Western culture is a form of oppression in itself, bu the little Lefty darlings are too cretinous to figure that out.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Women's Lamentations on Special only at the Outrage Outlet! at August 01, 2014 04:16 PM (hLRSq)

114 Tortured some folks?

Every time I hear this A-hole talk its torture.

Posted by: Jollyroger at August 01, 2014 04:16 PM (t06LC)

115 I have long pondered this dichotomy.

Got nuthin'.

That's the way it is when the left makes the roolz.

Posted by: creeper at August 01, 2014 04:16 PM (ma0yf)

116 "I am just curious how he feels now that genocidal maniacs are running
across the middle east, unrestricted. Where's the morality there in
leaving people on their own when you had the means to help."

i'm sure it makes him moist and ready for Reggie Love...

he's deliberately set the whole MidEast on fire.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 01, 2014 04:16 PM (q+fqH)

117 There is nothing inherently wrong about trying to
understand the motivations of the enemy. It's important to do so in
order to discover what is most important to the enemy.
And then you destroy it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 01, 2014 04:06 PM

I think we've reached a point where Step Two should be the focus of attention, AtC.

We -- and by "we" I mean conservatives -- have spent years and years listening to Great Pundits going on and on (and on and on and on....) about the "context" and "nuance" of what lefties say.

When a crime is committed, you can get lost in the details, wondering "why did he do that?" while the criminal continues on his merry felonious way. You can do the same thing with war. You can understand, you can parse every sentence, you can assign motivation. Yet none of that changes the basic act. And indeed, if you waste enough time on motive and don't stop/punish the act, you are, in a sense, an enabler.

This is what keeps Choom Boy going. No matter what he does, the Big Thinkers of the right will grind out endless anal-yses. So he keeps doing it.

Bloviators gotta bloviate. And one day, we will wish we had been more active in stopping the left's endless felonies.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 01, 2014 04:16 PM (dDzOj)

118 "We lied to some folks" -- Obama, on being able to keep your doctor

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 01, 2014 04:16 PM (5UteM)

119 Ironic or not, Ace, that ABC story you linked in the post has been vaporized and replaced with a headline of

"Obama Says He Takes Ebola Outbreak Seriously, US Taking Precautions for US-Africa Summit"

with no story beneath it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 01, 2014 04:16 PM (QKbPo)

120 you're just saying that because little, baby Trayvon was killed in cold blood because some guy decided he deserved to die. You hate our children when they decide to bash you to death for being a creepy ass cracker/Asian.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:17 PM (WQ9Fd)

121 Obama "tortures some folks" every time he opens his mouth.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 01, 2014 04:17 PM (GGCsk)

122 The left controls the government, the media, the narrative, our intellectual institutions and most of the money.

So ask yourself who's smart now?

We dropped the ball.

So, now we steal it back.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:17 PM (x3YFz)

123 "We tortured some folks" refers more aptly to gun owners and Tea Partiers. But TFG would never recognize that fact, because Republicans are sub-human and don't count.

Posted by: MTF at August 01, 2014 04:18 PM (6um35)

124 As far as the paleosimians: you gotta be pretty fucking retarded to pick a fight with someone who can kick your ass with ease. Unless you wage the propaganda war to sway the thin intellect of the collective left. Which they are.

Posted by: model_1066 at August 01, 2014 04:18 PM (WBDpw)

125 Eminiar has always been at war with Vendikar.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 01, 2014 03:54 PM (RmZpe)

Time for Hamas to report to the disintegration chambers.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 01, 2014 04:18 PM (1Y+hH)

126 Eminiar has always been at war with Vendikar.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 01, 2014 03:54 PM (RmZpe)

Time for Hamas to report to the disintegration chambers.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 01, 2014 04:18 PM (1Y+hH)

127
The Left isn't even bothering to argue coherently any more.

They throw crap out there -- "war on women," "Speak-o" -- and hope it will stick.

They have accomplished their goal of dumbig down the population so well that they spout malarky like it actually makes sense.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 01, 2014 04:19 PM (HBAcW)

128 "I shot a 77" Obama on his golf game.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2014 04:19 PM (NpXoL)

129 >>"We abandoned some folks" -- Obama on Crimea

And Benghazi.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 01, 2014 04:19 PM (g1DWB)

130 You hate our children when they decide to bash you to death for being a creepy ass cracker/Asian.

Yeah. So?

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:19 PM (Uy+zs)

131 Posted by: MrScribbler at August 01, 2014 04:16 PM (dDzOj)

This is one of those posts that makes me cry for a "Thumbs-up" button.

Posted by: creeper at August 01, 2014 04:19 PM (ma0yf)

132 You know what, I say fuck this. If we're gonna have a dictatorship anyway, lets quit pussyfooting around and do it right. From here forward we should devote all spending to cloning Charles Martel.
That guy knew how to work with Islam. And bonus points because I love science. We should also probably clone a T-Rex for him to ride just because.

Posted by: Jollyroger at August 01, 2014 04:19 PM (t06LC)

133 "Make the enemy live up to his own rulebook."

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2014 04:19 PM (7zeA4)

134 Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 14m
Republicans have been warning State for weeks to make ready for the "torture" report's release.

Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 13m
The fear was that it's findings, far more cautious than how Obama put it just now w/o any tempering, could endanger American diplo personnel

Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 12m
In short, the Muslim world could erupt in violence over Obama's "torture" claim Here's hoping embassies were prepared for that bombshell.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:20 PM (ZPrif)

135 The left does indeed engage in moral relativism-- selectively.
~~~~~~~~~~
Bingo. Hence, the proper "hypocrite" label for the fuckwads. That , and that they are a bunch of liars to boot. ~spit~

Posted by: eureka! at August 01, 2014 04:20 PM (EgKCY)

136 The left is much better about using lies to advance their ideology than the right is. Its as simple as that.

Posted by: SH at August 01, 2014 04:20 PM (gmeXX)

137 snippet from The Evil Mind of John Kerry

Back in June of 2004, the Wall Street Journal's Daniel Henninger wrote with his usual perceptiveness about John Kerry and evil, Kerry then approaching that year's Democratic presidential nomination. In the headlines was more ghastly news from the Middle East. Three men -- Americans Nicholas Berg, Paul M. Johnson Jr. and South Korean missionary Kim Sun-Il -- had all been kidnapped in Iraq and beheaded. With video tape rolling on the gruesome spectacle. Henninger wrote this: Conservatives do believe in evil, and liberals either no longer do or they don't wish to allow the idea of evil to be explicit in our politics."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 04:20 PM (IXrOn)

138 Nitwit British alleged comedian Russell Brand just criticized Sean Hannity for calling Hamas "terrorists." Brand argued that this is "simplistic" as it fails to take into account "the context."

Russell Brand; Charles Manson with a British accent and not quite as funny

Posted by: kbdabear at August 01, 2014 04:21 PM (aTXUx)

139 103 Zero's entire pholosophy of governance can be summarized in two words: Fuck it...

...and "I can't believe those bastards forgot my birthday. WAAAHHH!!!".

Posted by: gewa76 at August 01, 2014 04:21 PM (k8m83)

140 what about the sliding scales the donkeys use in outrage over acceptable behavior, like when Ari Flesher said people need to be careful to police thug crackdowns the donks use.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:21 PM (WQ9Fd)

141 Ace, I think the "relativism" part of the term encompasses exactly the "selectively" modifier you wish to add.

Posted by: Broken Record at August 01, 2014 04:21 PM (0+SgK)

142 14
In point of fact and human nature, you *can* do anything as long as you win. The winning side tries war criminals.

Posted by: toby928(C) at August 01, 2014 03:52 PM (QupBk)

Why you can even take people's property away from them and put them in internment camps!

Posted by: Franklin D Roosevelt at August 01, 2014 04:21 PM (Vutl+)

143 Weft cut loop
You're right. I didn't click link until you posted that & I saw it.

Posted by: Carol at August 01, 2014 04:21 PM (sj3Ax)

144 The left is much better about using lies to advance their ideology than the right is. Its as simple as that.

-----

I phrased this wrong. The left is willing to lie to advance their ideology. The right is not. If we were, then we'd probably be on the left. Its as simple as that.

Posted by: SH at August 01, 2014 04:22 PM (gmeXX)

145 We tortured some folks?!?

Some folks?

Why.....why they could've been folks just like me!

I mean, is anybody safe when the US gov't is just going around torturing folks?

It could be you next.

Or me.

I....I...never thought I'd see the day when the government of the United States of America started torturing regular folks.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 01, 2014 04:22 PM (0cMkb)

146
Rick ... don't fool yourself. They've got plenty of people willing to fight. They've got the SEIU types willing to street-fight, and a legion of cops and federal law enforcement willing to gunfight.

I ain't scared, and you ain't scared ... but see this for what it is. It won't be bloodless.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 01, 2014 04:22 PM (x+bQ+)

147 I want to hear another ebonics speech so he can solidify his jive ass coolness to the shit for brains followers who eat the shit up.

Stop da da da da hatin'

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7- 8) at August 01, 2014 04:22 PM (BZAd3)

148 The left isn't better. The GOP has stopped calling them on their bullshit. Then again, it helps when the dnc has imported 50 million naturally conservative yet hard core democrat voters into the country in 20 years.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:22 PM (WQ9Fd)

149 More tortured...

"folks"we interrogated or Mike Vick's dogs?

Posted by: zombie George Washington, longtime lurker at August 01, 2014 04:23 PM (gr/F0)

150 In short, the Muslim world could erupt in violence over Obama's "torture" claim

Barack Hussein Obama sends his signals quite clearly, doesn't he?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2014 04:23 PM (oyOpn)

151 Republicans' immigration plans "extreme", says Obama

But the Republicans got to stop bein' mad and hatin' all the time

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 01, 2014 04:23 PM (1Jaio)

152 The left is much better about using lies to advance their ideology than the right is. Its as simple as that.

Correction,
The left is much better about using the MS to cover their lies for them to advance their ideology than the right is. Its as simple as that.

Because, if the MS DIDN'T, the left would never sway anyone.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:23 PM (Uy+zs)

153 "Not even a smidgen of corruption" - Obama corruptly covering for corruption at the IRS

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2014 04:24 PM (/GgDU)

154 and then, what's happened recently with the ghey buzzfeed PR machine basically shutting down any opposition ... nah basically any traditional values from being acceptable in polite society, well, again, that's just a surrender.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:24 PM (WQ9Fd)

155 More tortured...

"folks" we interrogated or Amb. Stevens before he was killed?

Posted by: zombie George Washington, longtime lurker at August 01, 2014 04:24 PM (gr/F0)

156
>>>>And I don't think a National Divorce would fix it. Because if we left and prospered, while they stayed and suffered, they would just hate us more.

All you gotta do is be like "BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT THE CONSTITUTION!" and they'll just be all "sheesh, OK you're cool, we're cool" *bow bow handshake*

Posted by: Bigby's Happy Glove at August 01, 2014 04:24 PM (3ZtZW)

157 Leftists aren't moral relativists; they're moral retards.

Posted by: rickl at August 01, 2014 04:24 PM (zoehZ)

158 I suspect, that if you looked inside the cranial cavity of a Liberal, all you'd find is Chicken Chow Mein.

Posted by: franksalterego at August 01, 2014 04:24 PM (kmiOR)

159 More tortured...

Remember Mumbai?
Or anywhere else the mooselemens have been active?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:24 PM (WQ9Fd)

160 In short, the Muslim world could erupt in violence
over Obama's "torture" claim Here's hoping embassies were prepared for
that bombshell.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:20 PM (ZPrif)

We haven't done anything to muslim prisoners of war (hah!) that they don't do to their own people on a daily basis.

Fuck them.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:25 PM (x3YFz)

161 Look at their adoration of Mumia the cop killer...

-
A Chicago teacher's union is trying to have it taught that Mumia is the new Martin Luther King. I mean, you know, it's not like Chicago has a violence problem or anything.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 01, 2014 04:25 PM (Mogjf)

162 In short, the Muslim world could erupt in violence over Obama's "torture" claim

It'll be the latest thing they cite to justify bloody savagery, but it won't be the reason for it. You know?

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 01, 2014 04:25 PM (/kI1Q)

163 I stopped listening to leftist rhetoric. I just wave it away, while saying 'whatever, douche' loud enough for bystanders to hear. I am always more informed than they claim to be, and press them to prove their allegations. They always flake out and slink away. No wonder they call me a H8ter! LOL! Yes, it's true...I do hate. Openly, honestly and for good reason. Hatred keeps me warm at night.

Posted by: model_1066 at August 01, 2014 04:25 PM (WBDpw)

164 The left is much better about using the MS to cover their lies for them to advance their ideology than the right is. Its as simple as that.

Because, if the MS DIDN'T, the left would never sway anyone.

-----

Who is MS?

Posted by: SH at August 01, 2014 04:25 PM (gmeXX)

165 Ain't been no Great Recession here. We're riatch, biatch!! Suck it, peasants!! And pick my dog's shit!

DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT
Dog gym opens outside DC... http://drudge.tw/1rXb6Ws

Posted by: DC suburbs at August 01, 2014 04:25 PM (ZPrif)

166 134 Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 14m
Republicans have been warning State for weeks to make ready for the "torture" report's release.

Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 13m
The fear was that it's findings, far more cautious than how Obama put it just now w/o any tempering, could endanger American diplo personnel

Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 12m
In short, the Muslim world could erupt in violence over Obama's "torture" claim Here's hoping embassies were prepared for that bombshell.

In Barack's defense, I bet he really did just commit a speak-o. But it's entirely consistent with who he is: a stammering adolescent whose first instinct is always to blame Republicans for everything.

Posted by: gewa76 at August 01, 2014 04:26 PM (k8m83)

167 Regarding the left and morality, it's straightforward.

The left is immoral. Full stop.

Posted by: Roy at August 01, 2014 04:26 PM (tiOTz)

168 "Folks" aren't really people as far as Obastard is concerned. They're some sort of sub-species. Real people are just Ricky, ValJar, Reggie and the girls.

Posted by: creeper at August 01, 2014 04:26 PM (ma0yf)

169 More tortured...

"folks" we interrogated or someone left without needed medical treatments thanks to 404Care?

Posted by: zombie George Washington, longtime lurker at August 01, 2014 04:26 PM (gr/F0)

170
MSM:

Parrot, without criticism, whatever talking points are issued by the WH, and Dems in general.

Ignore any hint of incompetence or failure.

Bias any and all reporting against conservatives.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2014 04:26 PM (/GgDU)

171 and notice the "children" thing basically goes for the muzzies too.

Just a continuing sob story of how awful things are for them. They may rape, torture, and disembowel whole communities worth of people, but Gitmo is yucky. And then their idiot marxist minds think Muzzies are doing the violence because of some economic injustice. ugh.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:27 PM (WQ9Fd)

172 and notice the "children" thing basically goes for the muzzies too.

Just a continuing sob story of how awful things are for them. They may rape, torture, and disembowel whole communities worth of people, but Gitmo is yucky. And then their idiot marxist minds think Muzzies are doing the violence because of some economic injustice. ugh.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:27 PM (WQ9Fd)

173 MS=MainStream

Posted by: creeper at August 01, 2014 04:27 PM (ma0yf)

174 What some folks call torture, I call a good Saturday night at the White House.

Posted by: Reggie Love at August 01, 2014 04:27 PM (Y6xQZ)

175 Rick ... don't fool yourself. They've got plenty of people willing to fight. They've got the SEIU types willing to street-fight, and a legion of cops and federal law enforcement willing to gunfight.

I ain't scared, and you ain't scared ... but see this for what it is. It won't be bloodless.

They want us dead. That means me and my family. That's fine. I accept that.

But when my family's lives are on the table, so are theirs.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:27 PM (Uy+zs)

176 Yay. Now they want to tax sugary drinks.

Seriously, just leave us the hell alone for a change.

Posted by: RWC at August 01, 2014 04:27 PM (jTN/K)

177 We invaded the national sovereignty of some folks and landed a couple of stealth helicopters in Abbottadad.

And then we popped new assholes right in the middle of some folks' foreheads.

And you want me to wring my hands over water boarding.

Faggot, please.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 01, 2014 04:27 PM (ssOUx)

178 If waterboarding is torture, then the US military routinely "tortures" its aircrew and special operators when sending them through SERE training.

Of course it's torture to serve in the military. It's a punishment we mete out to the stupid.

Posted by: John Kerry at August 01, 2014 04:27 PM (J0IP0)

179 Yay. Now they want to tax sugary drinks.

Like at Starbucks? /sarc

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 01, 2014 04:28 PM (/kI1Q)

180 more,

In the face of this, what was Kerry doing? Over at Fox Charles Krauthammer captured the moment well, saying of Kerry that the Secretary of State "returns [from a trip to Paris where he met with representatives of the Hamas-friendly Qatar and Turkey] essentially as the lawyer for Hamas."

Now the Israeli media is furious with John Kerry. Earlier this week Politico pulled together a sampling of Israeli media comment about Kerry. Among other things the Israeli press is saying "Kerry's mistakes are embarrassing. ... Kerry just doesn't understand who's playing against whom in the Wild Mideast" (Times of Israel), that Kerry (and Obama) "did not understand the depth of the cynicism and cruelty of the factors that they are dealing with?" (Maariv), Kerry is like a "blind person" and should be fired because he is "pathetic and confused" (Maariv). There's more.

What all of this comment is saying, even if not in so many words, is that Israel is having to face evil -- this time in the form of Hamas -- and John Kerry is at work playing the game of moral relativity.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 04:28 PM (IXrOn)

181 Islamic terrorists may be folks to Obama. Hell, he can have a family reunion at the White House, for all I care. I consider them vermin to be exterminated.

Posted by: Roy at August 01, 2014 04:28 PM (tiOTz)

182 And I don't think a National Divorce would fix it. Because if we left and prospered, while they stayed and suffered, they would just hate us more.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (x+bQ+)

------------------------------------

Let them hate. And as far as them coming after us, that's not going to happen either. They'll finally get to outlaw guns in their squalid utopia.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 04:28 PM (He6PZ)

183 I would guess that will happen about ten microseconds after someone kicks over a bucket of sunshine in a major American city.

That major American city is almost certainly going to be a coastal
metropolis in a liberal blue state. Getting a rude, loud, big, bright
and extremely hot wake-up call.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:10 PM (noWW6)

There was a series of essays called "Nuclear Warfare 101", one of which suggested that the value of London would actually be enhanced by blowing up a nuke over it.

I'm thinking that this bit of logic would apply even more to some of our prominent cities.
Found it!

http://www.giantbomb.com/fallout-3/3030-20504/forums/nuclear-warfare-101-wall-of-text-alert-2999/

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:29 PM (Vutl+)

184 Well of course they use the MSM. The MSM are made up of leftist. The left is being pushed back. They aren't winning everywhere. And when pressed, they often lose. We need to push back harder and I wish the GOP would.

Posted by: SH at August 01, 2014 04:29 PM (gmeXX)

185 Who is MS?
Posted by: SH

MSM. Media. Sorry. Typo-o on the phone-o.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:29 PM (Uy+zs)

186 More tortured...

"folks" we interrogated or someone left without needed medical treatments thanks to 404Care?

Posted by: zombie George Washington, longtime lurker at August 01, 2014 04:26 PM (gr/F0)

more people are tortured in VA hospitals.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:30 PM (x3YFz)

187 Isn't it funny how Ace used the words "morality" and "leftist" in the same sentence? (Snort) Yep, that was funny.I like when he's funny like that.

Posted by: MWTexas at August 01, 2014 04:30 PM (N05oL)

188 MSM. Media. Sorry. Typo-o on the phone-o.

----

A blog-o.

Posted by: SH at August 01, 2014 04:30 PM (gmeXX)

189 I detest the "folks" in White Hut.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 01, 2014 04:30 PM (SLea8)

190 Hey look here's the left voxsplaining Islam and Miriam Ibrahim's situation:

"Renouncing the Islamic faith is punishable by death under many countries' interpretation of Islamic law"

No, idiots, renouncing Islam is punishable by death by Islamic law. Period.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2014 04:30 PM (BPMYx)

191 Typo-o on the phone-o.

Daylight come and me wanna go home.

Posted by: Racist Caricature at August 01, 2014 04:30 PM (J0IP0)

192
Ditto Rick. Ditt-fucking-o.

Man, if it all goes south, I'll look you up in the camps. I'll be the wounded guy with the shitty goatee and porn mustache.

Posted by: ScoggDog - L4A at August 01, 2014 04:30 PM (x+bQ+)

193 Barry killed some folks with his zippy new RC flying Murderbots.

But Booosh had water poured on KSM's face, so bad.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 01, 2014 04:31 PM (ssOUx)

194 DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT
Dog gym opens outside DC... http://drudge.tw/1rXb6Ws
Posted by: DC suburbs at August 01, 2014 04:25 PM (ZPrif)

All they need is a Cat Gym opening up right next door, and the dogs will get all the exercise they need. Free roaming cats. Mocking the dogs.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 04:31 PM (IXrOn)

195 You teabaggers wars of aggression started all this.

Posted by: Hectrix at August 01, 2014 04:31 PM (Y6xQZ)

196 Who is Russel Brand? Do his friends call him Russel-Mania?

Posted by: model_1066 at August 01, 2014 04:31 PM (WBDpw)

197 >>>more people are tortured in VA hospitals.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:30 PM (x3YFz)<<<
Definitely.

Posted by: zombie George Washington, longtime lurker at August 01, 2014 04:31 PM (gr/F0)

198 This standard can also be distilled down to one's such as St. Travon vs George Zimmerman or Mumia Abu Jamal vs David Faulkner. Leftists always will side with the general miscreants (Occupy Wall Street), thugs (Travon), murderers (Mumia) and terrorist orgs (Hamas) in any given scenario as they are hard wired to side with the dark (the poor downtrodden in their eyes) & not the light despite all evidence that clearly shows they are wrong for doing so.

The truly sad thing is that they think that what they are doing is good & righteous even though it couldn't be father from the truth.

Posted by: Al Czervik at August 01, 2014 04:31 PM (yU7rc)

199
And I don't think a National Divorce would fix
it. Because if we left and prospered, while they stayed and suffered,
they would just hate us more.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 01, 2014 04:11 PM (x+bQ+)

What, you think they might tunnel under our borders or something?

Like I said, that gadget that sprays propane and air down gopher holes and ignites it blowing up the entire tunnel seems like a pretty good solution to me.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (Vutl+)

200

The lefties are winning at a greater rate than the slow plodding Conservatives realize.

The police state will become a reality soon enough.

You watch.

It has always happened everywhere where this shit has been tried.

Posted by: Rev Dr E You Know It at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (cNiT0)

201 I'm surprised he said "we" I guess that makes him responsible.

Posted by: SH at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (gmeXX)

202 Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 12m In short, the Muslim world could erupt in violence over Obama's "torture" claim Here's hoping embassies were prepared for that bombshell.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at August 01, 2014 04:20 PM (ZPrif)

I thought they already were all erupted in violence thanks to Smrat Doplimacy.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Women's Lamentations on Special only at the Outrage Outlet! at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (hLRSq)

203 "It's tremendously arrogant and self-aggrandizing." -ATC

I just love the EVOLVE bumper sticker - on the bumper of an idiot's car.

Posted by: Igotnothing at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (fAUro)

204 We waterboarded ***2*** terrorists. Not some, two.

Meanwhile, how many has Obama killed with his drone program?
How many non-targets - people who just had the misfortune of being next to a terrorist at the wrong time? How many children of targets has Obama killed? First responders (because some drone strikes are minutes apart to kill those who rush to the scene.

Obama is a dick.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (D/504)

205 you can't deny, POTUS can orate. That line will trump JFK's ask not line.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (WQ9Fd)

206 you can't deny, POTUS can orate. That line will trump JFK's ask not line.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (WQ9Fd)

207 "We did a little pitching and catching" Obama on Reggie Love.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2014 04:33 PM (NpXoL)

208 196 Who is Russel Brand?

Posted by: model_1066 at August 01, 2014 04:31 PM (WBDpw)

My biggest regret

Posted by: Katy Perry at August 01, 2014 04:33 PM (Y6xQZ)

209 202 Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 12m In short, the Muslim world could erupt in violence over Obama's "torture" claim Here's hoping embassies were prepared for that bombshell.

How could we tell the difference...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 04:33 PM (9+ccr)

210

Bottom line: Obama STILL thinks this country sucks and is deserving of punishment. More punishment.

Republicans, "Impeachment is off the table."

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7- 8) at August 01, 2014 04:33 PM (BZAd3)

211 There are those who say we should waterboard all children crossing our borders simply looking for freedom. I stand before you to say that I am definitely against waterboarding migrant children, unlike those in Congress.

Barrack Hussein Obama

(And don't lie. You wouldn't be surprised if this tool actually said that.)

Posted by: TXGumbo at August 01, 2014 04:33 PM (tII+W)

212
Clinton was and is a liar. The guy who carried
the "football" for him wrote in his book that the time they had a chance
to "get" Ben Laden they could not drag Clinton off the golf course. He
didn't want to get him and he was too concerned with enjoying the soft
life in the WH, including chubby young interns.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2014 04:12 PM (T2V/1)

And if these stories could get reported in the same manner as George HW Bush's "Affair" then perhaps the public could get a clue about how big of a turd Clinton is, but because Little Brownshirts guard all the transmitters, it's not gonna happen.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:34 PM (Vutl+)

213 The lefties are winning at a greater rate than the slow plodding Conservatives realize.

The police state will become a reality soon enough.

You watch.

It has always happened everywhere where this shit has been tried.

Posted by: Rev Dr E You Know It at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (cNiT0)

Yeah, well, it's time to start kicking the progcommies in the balls.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:34 PM (x3YFz)

214
The Left treats us like their ex-husband. Every action we take and every word we say is interpreted in the worst possible light.

The Left treats Hamas, and anyone who hates us, the reverse and interpret every action and word of theirs in the best possible light

This^^^

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 01, 2014 04:34 PM (HBAcW)

215 unlike those in Congress

Unlike some in Congress.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 01, 2014 04:35 PM (J0IP0)

216 I bet Hollywood has depicted waterboarding more times than was actually done by our interrogators.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 04:35 PM (D/504)

217 nice

el Sooper @SooperMexican

Worthless idiots figure it out your damn selves MT @DRUDGE_REPORT: UN Condemns Israel for Not Sharing Iron Dome Tech...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 04:35 PM (IXrOn)

218 DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT
Dog gym opens outside DC...

First world problems.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:35 PM (Uy+zs)

219 Who is Russel Brand? Do his friends call him Russel-Mania?

Posted by: model_1066 at August 01, 2014 04:31 PM (WBDpw)
**
Nope...Russel Stouffer.
He's as sharp as a frozen lasagna.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2014 04:36 PM (NpXoL)

220 We waterboarded ***2*** terrorists. Not some, two.

Meanwhile, how many has Obama killed with his drone program?
How
many non-targets - people who just had the misfortune of being next to a
terrorist at the wrong time? How many children of targets has Obama
killed? First responders (because some drone strikes are minutes apart
to kill those who rush to the scene.

Obama is a dick.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 04:32 PM (D/504)

I'm a big fan of field interrogations and no prisoners for exactly this reason.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:36 PM (x3YFz)

221 We have to take their base of operations out. Force

the universities to teach our curricula and to do so honestly. Remove

the professors and administrators who refuse to live by our rules.

Let the better argument win - which we have. They can't prevail unless we're shut out, like we are now.

Posted by: Blor Utar at August 01, 2014 04:08 PM (sXT9X)

That may not be the first best approach, but I agree in that we have to go on the intellectual offensive.

This idea of waiting for people to arrive at truth on their own isn't really working.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:13 PM (x3YFz)

Coming up with ideas about what we should do AFTER we gain power isn't really helpful. We need ideas that GET US into power.

But yeah, we are long past the point where we should have gone on the intellectual offensive. Now if only we had some transmitters...

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (Vutl+)

222 210

Bottom line: Obama STILL thinks this country sucks and is deserving of punishment. More punishment.

Republicans, "Impeachment is off the table."
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7-

at August 01, 2014 04:33 PM (BZAd3)

Republicans should make it clear:

"We're all for impeaching this ignorant, America-hating twat, but at least some of the cocksucking Democrats have to be on board to make it happen. But since they hate America too, we'll just have to ride out the rest of this loser's term, and hope he forgot the nuclear launch codes along with his cocaine and Astroglide in the bath house."

Posted by: model_1066 at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (WBDpw)

223 Have you heard of the old saw that great European wine-producing countries like France and Portugal export their crapp wines and keep the good stuff for domestic consumption?

Well, Russell Brand is like that with British comedians.

Posted by: logprof at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (Y6xQZ)

224 What context or nuance makes setting up your headquarters (a legitimate military target) in a hospital OK? Or storing bombs in schools? Or kidnapping and murdering three 16 year old civilians?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (D/504)

225 Heh.

Joe Biden skinny dipping is a little known front in the War-On-Women.

Posted by: Howie Carr at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (gr/F0)

226 7-10k more people offed themselves than otherwise would have.

On the plus side, car accident deaths are down as fewer people can afford a car.

Next Big Future: The Great Recession Probably Caused 7000 to 10000 Excess Suicides
http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/08/the-great-recession-probably-caused.html?spref=tw

Posted by: Doom News at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (ZPrif)

227 Yeah, well, it's time to start kicking the progcommies in the balls.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:34 PM

Ooooooh, think of the Bad Optics, T9!

Shouldn't we just politely discuss their little foibles and remind everyone the Sure Cure is moar Rockin' Rick Santorum?

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 01, 2014 04:38 PM (dDzOj)

228 remember, most lefty types and their little violent 3rd world thugs believe that life will be more peaceful once all you fucking white people die.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:38 PM (WQ9Fd)

229 Obama just sent $42 million dollars to Hamas.

"We killed some Jews."

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7- 8) at August 01, 2014 04:38 PM (BZAd3)

230 dog gym?
you mean District One Problems.

ohh, new hashtag.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 01, 2014 04:39 PM (WQ9Fd)

231 That may not be the first best approach, but I agree in that we have to go on the intellectual offensive.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:13 PM (x3YFz)

Coming up with ideas about what we should do AFTER we gain power isn't really helpful. We need ideas that GET US into power.
Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (Vutl+)

That is the plan. Strategically. Tactics follow the mission statement.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:39 PM (x3YFz)

232 Russel Brand?

Benny Hill would make him pee his trousers and cry to his mum.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2014 04:39 PM (NpXoL)

233
"Bysie bye, along the way, we may have gassed some folks."

= Nazi Germany

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 01, 2014 04:40 PM (0IhFx)

234 Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (D/504)

Everything is perfectly acceptable if you are the oppressed and the ones you are targeting are an oppressor.

Just make sure you know where you fit in the hierarchy of "oppressed" because doing something bad to someone who is considered more oppressed makes you an oppressor. Sort of like black is more oppressed than woman, and gay is more oppressed than either.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Women's Lamentations on Special only at the Outrage Outlet! at August 01, 2014 04:41 PM (hLRSq)

235
I phrased this wrong. The left is willing to
lie to advance their ideology. The right is not. If we were, then we'd
probably be on the left. Its as simple as that.

Posted by: SH at August 01, 2014 04:22 PM (gmeXX)

You should see the arguments i've gotten into over the natural born citizen issue. Suffice it to say, there are plenty of liars on the right.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:41 PM (Vutl+)

236 "DF-41 is the new Chinese nuke. Longest range nuclear missile in the world, beating America's Minuteman missiles. It's a big step up from their existing missile. Multiple warheads. Solid fuel. Mobile."

Accurate terminal guidance provided courtesy of American technology, forwarded along to them by President Billy Jeff Blowjob back in the 1990s.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:41 PM (noWW6)

237 Republicans should make it clear:

"We're all for impeaching this ignorant, America-hating twat, but at
least some of the cocksucking Democrats have to be on board to make it
happen. But since they hate America too, we'll just have to ride out
the rest of this loser's term, and hope he forgot the nuclear launch
codes along with his cocaine and Astroglide in the bath house."

Posted by: model_1066 at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM

What alternative universe did you just stroll in from?

Before we can begin to show Democrats how to get their minds right, we have to convince the Big Guns of Conservatism -- I don't have to name em; all y'all know -- that the rewards of impeaching Choom Boy outweigh the risks of possibly maybe looking bad to people we shouldn't give a shit about in the first place.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 01, 2014 04:42 PM (dDzOj)

238 Some folks = hisfolks

Posted by: real joe at August 01, 2014 04:42 PM (xXhgd)

239 Well, to be fair, I believe the Left's excuse for its double standards would be that we (i.e., the oppressors) should "know better" and thus must be held to a higher moral standard.

The Left is big on the idea of leading by moral example -- Gandhi, MLK, that sort of thing. They're caught up in this idea that if we hold ourselves to these high moral standards, the heathens will respect us and eventually want to imitate us. And we'll all light candles and buy the world a Coke, etc., etc.

The trouble is that some people are just immune to peaceful suasion. The only way to stop them is to kill them or break their spirit. This has always been a blind spot for the Left. Gandhi famously misunderstood Hitler. A lot of folks on the Left simply can't believe other people could be so evil -- unless they're radical militia teabaggers, of course. Then no mercy must be shown.

I, too, think a national divorce will be the ultimate result of all this. This stuff cannot go on forever. At some point, the Leftist regime is going to ask people to do something that large numbers of people cannot in good conscience do. And large numbers of people will refuse and go to jail. The sight of thousands of Americans being herded off to jail because they offended some bureaucrat like Lois Lerner will be the match that lights the fuse.

Posted by: Ex-liberal at August 01, 2014 04:42 PM (zCbMz)

240 We may have taken a few liberties with with our female party guests.

Posted by: toby928(C) at August 01, 2014 04:42 PM (QupBk)

241 "Coming up with ideas about what we should do AFTER we gain power isn't really helpful. We need ideas that GET US into power.

But
yeah, we are long past the point where we should have gone on the
intellectual offensive. Now if only we had some transmitters..."

This is something we can do right now at the state level in a number of states, since the GOP controls something like 25-30 right now. Change the curricula via state law, force the faculty to present an honest treatment of conservative/libertarian topics, take control of who is hired and who isn't out of the hands of the radicals, eliminate the radicalized departments, like the Women's Studies programs - these are things that we can do now.

We may have to light some fires under the hind quarters of GOPers at the state level, and we may have to replace the moderate squishes, but we can act on this now.

Posted by: Blor Utar at August 01, 2014 04:42 PM (sXT9X)

242 Worthless idiots figure it out your damn selves MT @DRUDGE_REPORT: UN Condemns Israel for Not Sharing Iron Dome Tech...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 04:35 PM (IXrOn)

**
Yeah!! And Bill Gates should share all of his tech stuff with me!!

Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2014 04:42 PM (NpXoL)

243 >>I'm a big fan of field interrogations and no prisoners for exactly this reason.

Yep. It's a war. It's just rich that Obama criticizes the people who were entrusted with obtaining information about imminent or planned attacks while he himself continues to play Judge "Drone" Dredd, killing a whole lot of foreigners (and a couple of Americans) from the comfort of the White House.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 04:43 PM (D/504)

244 167
Regarding the left and morality, it's straightforward.

The left is immoral. Full stop.

Posted by: Roy at August 01, 2014 04:26 PM (tiOTz)

I think Anti-Moral is more accurate. They aren't passive about a lack of morality.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:43 PM (Vutl+)

245 Barack Hussein Obama sends his signals quite clearly, doesn't he?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2014 04:23 PM (oyOpn)

It appears to me now that he's actually trying to start WWIII. But why he would want that, I still can't understand.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 01, 2014 04:44 PM (eAJwE)

246
If I were to punch Russell Brand in the mouth it would be ok in the context of he has more money and connections than me.

Also obama's hatred of the USA never fails to surface.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 01, 2014 04:44 PM (Aa8dh)

247 Accurate terminal guidance provided courtesy of
American technology, forwarded along to them by President Billy Jeff
Blowjob back in the 1990s.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:41 PM (noWW6)

And about 20 other traitors.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 01, 2014 04:44 PM (x3YFz)

248 "DF-41 is the new Chinese nuke. Longest range nuclear missile in the world, beating America's Minuteman missiles. It's a big step up from their existing missile. Multiple warheads. Solid fuel. Mobile." Accurate terminal guidance provided courtesy of American technology, forwarded along to them by President Billy Jeff Blowjob back in the 1990s.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:41 PM (noWW6)

---------------------------------------

How do they know they'll work? Have they lit any of these candles yet?

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 04:44 PM (He6PZ)

249 He is an intellectual light weight whose opinions, arguments and very thoughts have been programmed for him since he came out of his mamas womb

I have not one shit to give about what he thinks

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 04:45 PM (zOTsN)

250 239 Well, to be fair, I believe the Left's excuse for its double standards would be that we (i.e., the oppressors) should "know better" and thus must be held to a higher moral standard.

The Left is big on the idea of leading by moral example -- Gandhi, MLK, that sort of thing. They're caught up in this idea that if we hold ourselves to these high moral standards, the heathens will respect us and eventually want to imitate us. And we'll all light candles and buy the world a Coke, etc., etc.

IOW, the White Man's Burden.

Posted by: gewa76 at August 01, 2014 04:45 PM (k8m83)

251 Yeah, we may have killed some Armenian folks ==== Sublime Porte circa 1915

Posted by: davis at August 01, 2014 04:45 PM (Kxz3Y)

252 As I learned from Buckley and his guest(s) the Left has never been anti-war, they have always just opposed America being victorious.

Posted by: notquiteunBuckley at August 01, 2014 04:45 PM (0MC2Z)

253 184
Well of course they use the MSM. The MSM are made up of leftist. The
left is being pushed back. They aren't winning everywhere. And when
pressed, they often lose. We need to push back harder and I wish the
GOP would.

Posted by: SH at August 01, 2014 04:29 PM (gmeXX)

The "Media" is the Military High ground in this war. They occupy it and we need to take it from them.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:46 PM (Vutl+)

254 Of course using the Oppressed v Oppressor template saves one from actually thinking, making it easier to achieve self-righteous smugness.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Women's Lamentations on Special only at the Outrage Outlet! at August 01, 2014 04:47 PM (hLRSq)

255 Bring back HUAC.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 01, 2014 04:47 PM (SLea8)

256 I will make it my mission to make it known that he, and the left, have aligned themselves with European neo nazis

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 04:47 PM (zOTsN)

257 The cocksucker is grasping at straws. Fucking pathetic.

Posted by: effit Settling In At Galt's Gulch at August 01, 2014 04:47 PM (knfPD)

258 So about that powerful new MIRV Chinese ICBM:

Back in 2012, when Mitt Romney's crack foreign policy team came up with the highly successful tag line that "Russia is our greatest geopolitical opponent," (and boy, was that successful with voters) I said that, no, sorry, bullshit, _China_ is.

A point I brought up again in the context of "New START". We shouldn't worry that much about Russian strategic arms. We should worry about the Chinese ones.

And I got roundly rubbished for saying that. Why, look at the Chinese nuclear arsenal! It's laughably small! How could they ever pose a threat?

Unfortunately, kinda like the Chinese blue-water navy, their strategic nuclear capability gets bigger every year, while ours gets smaller every year. They are steadily coming up the technological capability curve in all areas, while we stagnate.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:47 PM (noWW6)

259 We may have left some stuff in your mouth.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 01, 2014 04:48 PM (aJcr9)

260

SCOAMF 2009-2016

Nearly 325 million tortured!

(Every G-ddamn day)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 04:48 PM (CMkNk)

261
Yeah that renditions stuff, thats other people torturing folks at my discretion. Not me.

Posted by: Bracky Obumbles at August 01, 2014 04:48 PM (Aa8dh)

262 For years I laughed at the left for their unhappy need to make the political personal. Sadly, I've now had to adopt that attitude myself. Not a single penny of my money, and not an ounce of my effort is being spent among those who have made themselves my enemies. It's tribalism all the way down now.

Posted by: toby928(C) at August 01, 2014 04:49 PM (QupBk)

263 255 Bring back HUAC.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 01, 2014 04:47 PM (SLea

With Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and Keith Ellison in charge, the definition of "unAmerican" might not be what you think it should be.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 04:49 PM (CMkNk)

264 Obama: "We tortured some folks"

Self-admitted war crimincal

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 01, 2014 04:50 PM (e8kgV)

265 The left does indeed engage in moral relativism-- selectively.

For the Left, sometimes 2 + 2 = 3; sometimes 2 + 2 = 5; and sometimes it is both at the same time.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 01, 2014 04:50 PM (CTCNK)

266
Accurate terminal guidance provided courtesy of
American technology, forwarded along to them by President Billy Jeff
Blowjob back in the 1990s.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:41 PM (noWW6)

And again, this information never reaches the public because of all the little Brownshirts guarding the Transmitters.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:50 PM (Vutl+)

267 Barry Obama can say and do as he pleases because Attorney General Eric Holder is a cowardly nugget of bear shit.

Posted by: Fritz at August 01, 2014 04:50 PM (3wLHY)

268 you mean District One Problems.

ohh, new hashtag.

That's a great idea for a hashtag.

Weirdly, #DistrictOneProblems appears to have been used by all of one tweet, and I don't get what it has to do with that tweet.

However, #DistrictOneProblem (not plural) has been used appropriately.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 01, 2014 04:51 PM (J0IP0)

269 >>With Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and Keith Ellison in charge, the
definition of "unAmerican" might not be what you think it should be.

Show me your Economic Patriotism, bitchezzzz!

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at August 01, 2014 04:51 PM (D/504)

270 With Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and Keith
Ellison in charge, the definition of "unAmerican" might not be what you
think it should be.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 04:49 PM (CMkNk)

They'd already be under arrest.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 01, 2014 04:51 PM (SLea8)

271 Being seated next to Obama on a plane for an hour is torture. Water boarding is not torture.

Posted by: Wm frieh at August 01, 2014 04:52 PM (MNdHi)

272 They are steadily coming up the technological capability curve in all areas, while we stagnate.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:47 PM

And it seems as if the Chinese are more likely to go all batshit crazy and use their stuff, TW.

The Russians have gotten good at doing things on the sly -- see: Ukraine -- and trying to keep it under the radar. The Chinese will simply start pouring ordnance and men on their "problems."

And, as Chairman said, they can lose millions in nuclear exchanges and keep on keepin' on....

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 01, 2014 04:52 PM (dDzOj)

273 In the future we'll bring them to Delaware and invite them to my pool parties. That'll really get them talking.

Posted by: Sheriff Joe at August 01, 2014 04:52 PM (0nfGn)

274 270 They'd already be under arrest.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 01, 2014 04:51 PM (SLea

That would be with yours truly as chairman.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 04:52 PM (CMkNk)

275 #TheBearIsLost

Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 01, 2014 04:52 PM (iIzG7)

276 Weirdly, #DistrictOneProblems appears to have been used by all of one tweet, and I don't get what it has to do with that tweet.

However, #DistrictOneProblem (not plural) has been used appropriately.

#DistrictOne'sProblem

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:53 PM (Uy+zs)

277 Offer accepted. IDF, please deliver to Hamas, two large daisy-cutters, labelled CONTEXT and NUANCE asap. COD.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at August 01, 2014 04:53 PM (WS+CW)

278
I love waterbroading. Especially with Kate Upton and Bar Rafaeli.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 04:53 PM (CMkNk)

279 277 Offer accepted. IDF, please deliver to Hamas, two large daisy-cutters, labelled CONTEXT and NUANCE asap. COD.
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at August 01, 2014 04:53 PM (WS+CW)

Grand Slams, Tallboys, Blockbusters as well, old boy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 04:54 PM (CMkNk)

280 "How do they know they'll work? Have they lit any of these candles yet?"

Well, the Chinese are now routinely lighting the candle to put their "taikonauts" in orbit on their own rocket boosters (a capability America no longer has, by the way), so yeah, they are actually getting pretty good with rockets and guidance and space stuff.

Meanwhile in the USA: Look! Kim Kardashian's baby!!!

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 04:54 PM (noWW6)

281 >>Barry Obama can say and do as he pleases because Attorney General Eric Holder is a cowardly nugget of bear shit.

Holder releasd Bush's "torture" memos very early in Obama's presidency. They essentially made sure our enemies knew what we would and wouldn't do during interrogations. Also, didn't Hilder prosecute some of our interrogators for doing what Bush had determined was legal?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 04:54 PM (D/504)

282 Obama's one success, the killing of bin Laden, was because of "torture".

Posted by: CDR M at August 01, 2014 04:56 PM (93D1V)

283 Nice insight Ace.

Fuck nuance. There are evil people in this world. They have to be dealt with accordingly

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 01, 2014 04:56 PM (HVff2)

284 And, as Chairman said, they can lose millions in nuclear exchanges and keep on keepin' on....

30 million = 3%. And not even blink.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:56 PM (Uy+zs)

285 In other words, any group in a fight with a stronger group has the right to kidnap and murder hitchhiking teenagers, because, you know.
***
By the same notion, the right in America is weaker politically. The left controls the media, the schools, and the bureaucracy.

Would we be justified in engaging in asymmetrical warfare against them? What about pure terrorism?

Note that when the left was in the same position we are now (more or less) in the 60s they answered this question as a pure yes.

Hell, Obama's political mentor is best known for engaging in terrorism...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 01, 2014 04:56 PM (5DM9u)

286 This "report" that is gonna come out supposedly never uses the word "torture". That dip shit obama did... They were already bracing for some "anger" in the Muslim world over this and ass wipe has to go throw some gas on the flames...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 04:57 PM (9+ccr)

287 "All they're doing is establishing a very friendly, very loose code of behavior for America's enemies, and a vindictively inviolable one to America itself."

Here's the thing. Again I don't think this is on purpose, I don't think they set out to do any such thing. I doubt the larger issues or consequences of their rhetoric even enters their mind.

They want to get votes. They want to sound nice. They want to seem not racist and not judgmental while being sympathetic toward and understanding of the oppressed other. So they talk like this, not because of any grand overall scheme but because it pushes all the right buttons in their mind and feelings.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 04:58 PM (zfY+H)

288 284 And, as Chairman said, they can lose millions in nuclear exchanges and keep on keepin' on....

30 million = 3%. And not even blink.
Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 04:56 PM (Uy+zs)

E plebneesta, norcom, forcom - - -

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 04:58 PM (CMkNk)

289 He wants the fire

He wants the flames

He wants us brought low

He wants the destruction of Israel.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 04:58 PM (zOTsN)

290 Obama is an arrogant, pillow-biting, self-righteous small man unworthy of the people he serves, especially those who do rough things in the night to protect others.

Posted by: goatexchange at August 01, 2014 04:59 PM (sYUHT)

291 Virtually certain that Iran is playing an active role in the conflict in Israel:

http://tinyurl.com/o9estx2

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7- 8) at August 01, 2014 04:59 PM (BZAd3)

292 289
He wants the fire

He wants the flames

He wants us brought low

He wants the destruction of Israel.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 04:58 PM (zOTsN)

I think a simpler explanation is that he is simple, and doesn't understand consequences. When has he ever suffered any?

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 04:59 PM (Vutl+)

293 281 Also, didn't Hilder prosecute some of our interrogators for doing what Bush had determined was legal?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 04:54 PM (D/504)

He was also a partner at the law firm that defended the Gitmo murderer inmates.

Conflict of interest we much?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 04:59 PM (CMkNk)

294 This "report" that is gonna come out supposedly never uses the word
"torture". That dip shit obama did... They were already bracing for some
"anger" in the Muslim world over this and ass wipe has to go throw some
gas on the flames...>>

If only we could throw Bary into jail with he Benghazi video guy.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 01, 2014 05:00 PM (wrS2o)

295
2 1/2 more years..... *sigh*

Posted by: Bracky Obumbles at August 01, 2014 05:00 PM (Aa8dh)

296 Chairman Mao was an idiot. They have a lot of surplus population in China but the bulk of them are in cities, which means one single nuke knocks out a lot more than "a few million" at a time. And when you flatten the country's leadership and infrastructure, five hundred million peasants aren't a threat to anyone.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 05:00 PM (zfY+H)

297 291
Virtually certain that Iran is playing an active role in the conflict in Israel:

http://tinyurl.com/o9estx2

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7-

at August 01, 2014 04:59 PM (BZAd3)

If Jimmy Carter wasn't such a feckless shit, we would have solved the Iran problem back in 1979.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:00 PM (Vutl+)

298 He wants the fire He wants the flames He wants us brought low He wants the destruction of Israel.
Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 04:58 PM (zOTsN)

-------------------------------------------

This. It's been the plan all along. And it's being well executed.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 05:01 PM (He6PZ)

299 I had to watch about five minutes of the press conference (boyfriend's fault). Obama has problems stringing words into sentences. I feel like I deserve a medal.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 01, 2014 05:01 PM (Lqy/e)

300 I want the rashid Khaledi tape. It must be damning to be buried all these years

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:01 PM (zOTsN)

301 I just heard SCOAMF say we are out of money. He's the reason we are out of money, using Air Force One for fundraising & he throws in a speech some place & we get stuck with tab.

Posted by: Carol at August 01, 2014 05:02 PM (sj3Ax)

302 "No kidding. The ones I know think fly-over country exists to provide them with oil and food. They aren't going to explore for oil or gas in their state, 'that's what Oklahoma is for.' I keep wondering what would make these teenagers wake up."

So I posited earlier in the thread that the wake-up call might be nuclear.

Another one would be perhaps a "soft" societal breakdown.

Many people in the US don't remember, or failed to perceive at the time, the infamous "Winter Of Discontent" in the UK in 1978-79, which led to the rise of Margaret Thatcher in response.

Many long years of leftist rule (including by "Conservative" pols) had gotten the UK to where it had to be bailed out by the IMF in 1976, and things went downhill from there.

By the (very cold) Winter Of Discontent, the country was paralyzed by labor strikes. Regular electric blackouts and brownouts. Transport and communications operated only sporadically. Endemic unemployment. Factories on restricted schedules.

Little food in the stores, few goods in the shops. Huge piles of uncollected trash in the streets. Unburied dead in the morgues.

While the normal procedure is for civilians to be pressed into military service, during the Winter, the UK military were pressed into civilian services to provide a bare minimum of fire and medical response.

Finally, as a result of the Winter, the UK electorate had enough, and tilted right, and Thatcher was the result.

Unfortunately, she was never strong enough to pull up the very deep roots of the British left. She fixed things temporarily, no more than that.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 05:02 PM (noWW6)

303 287 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 04:58 PM (zfY+H)

I disagree. The left HATE us and want us brought down intentionally. Then, their ivy league brilliance will enable them to create some sort of worker's paradise, where their mentors could not.

Unfortunately, because they are so blinded by ideology and willfully ignorant of facts, history and empirical evidence, the result will be catastrophic. But again, it will NEVER be the fault of the ideology; only of outside forces and factors.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 05:02 PM (CMkNk)

304 This morning, I had on CNN. Some infobabe was interviewing a Palestinian Authority official.

She was dressed in a bustier(I'm not joking) and a skirt, seated on a bar stool with her legs crossed. For an 8 am interview. She looked and talked like she was on Match.com and on a first date with the Pali.

Is it any wonder none of our enemies take us seriously? I cannot imagine what Alyson Camorata was thinking when she jumped ship at Fox to move to CNN.

Posted by: Jen at August 01, 2014 05:02 PM (3TPhx)

305
This. It's been the plan all along. And it's being well executed.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 05:01 PM (He6PZ)

Which means indistinguishable from bumble fucking by an idiot.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:02 PM (Vutl+)

306 "I think a simpler explanation is that he is simple, and doesn't understand consequences. When has he ever suffered any? "

Exactly. He understands theory and ideology, he understands what he thinks is true and how to rabble rouse, and that's it.

When Evan Sayet said leftists are children, he said more than a mouthful. They're very childlike in their inability to see future consequences or anything beyond what they want. I doubt he has the slightest clue what will result from the puke that rolls out of his mouth beyond an immediate desired result.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 05:02 PM (zfY+H)

307 Democrats have always been anti American.

Goes back to Revolutionary times.

They're an offshoot of the Tories.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 01, 2014 05:03 PM (Avd1N)

308 The thing with the whole idea of looking at 'context' annoys me because it is social posturing again. Especially in my age group, it is seen as the intelligent thing to do to claim that the whole situation is just too complicated to distill, and you can't blame the Palestinians for what they do because they are just so DESPERATE.

Desperate for fucking what? They could have anything they wanted if they would just stop firing rockets at Israel. They can't be THAT goddamned desperate. No one puts an ounce of real thinking into this position, they just know that it is en vogue to take said position, and it comes with the built in exit door of 'well it's just too complicated' when the position is challenged.

... /rant. Sorry, having people treat me like -I'm- the idiot is a bit of a sore spot for me.

Posted by: Revvy at August 01, 2014 05:03 PM (+YNiH)

309
Related: Russia takes pot shot at girly US Prez.

http://tinyurl.com/oakjcvm

Posted by: Bracky Obumbles at August 01, 2014 05:04 PM (Aa8dh)

310 297 If Jimmy Carter wasn't such a feckless shit, we would have solved the Iran problem back in 1979.
Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:00 PM (Vutl+)

If Gerald Ford had won in '76, Iran would not have fallen. Nor would we have had Zimbabwe, Afghanistan or the surrendering of the Panama Canal.

Investor's had a great 8 part series on just how terrible Carter was proclaiming him the worst president ever. It was about 6 months before SCOAMF.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 05:04 PM (CMkNk)

311 307 Democrats have always been anti American.

Goes back to Revolutionary times.

They're an offshoot of the Tories.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 01, 2014 05:03 PM (Avd1N)

Good book on the subject though I forget the title.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 05:06 PM (CMkNk)

312 Morally bankrupt prick.

Anyone who voted for him should consider taking a long walk off a short pier.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at August 01, 2014 05:06 PM (oiLHF)

313
If Gerald Ford had won in '76, Iran would not
have fallen. Nor would we have had Zimbabwe, Afghanistan or the
surrendering of the Panama Canal.

Investor's had a great 8 part series on just how terrible Carter was
proclaiming him the worst president ever. It was about 6 months before
SCOAMF.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 05:04 PM (CMkNk)

That war between Iran and Iraq that killed a million people? That wouldn't have happened but for Jimmy Carter.

Yeah, Carter was a major class fuckup, but this current doofus has set what I believe will be an unbeatable record of disaster and misery.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:07 PM (Vutl+)

314 297 If Jimmy Carter wasn't such a feckless shit, we would have solved the Iran problem back in 1979.
Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:00 PM (Vutl+)

If we are still paying in 40 years for the shit this jackass is doing to this country and the world it's impossible to imagine how fucked up things will be.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7- 8) at August 01, 2014 05:08 PM (BZAd3)

315 Well obama got what he wanted.... Front page story is obamas "torture" crap. The remarks after the article are somewhat promising though... The overwhelming sentiment is F U obama...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at August 01, 2014 05:08 PM (9+ccr)

316 296 And when you flatten the country's leadership and infrastructure, five hundred million peasants aren't a threat to anyone.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 05:00 PM (zfY+H)

Look what coming at us from south of the border, though that is totally stoppable.

Anyway, 500 million peasants with spears running towards India or Japan would drain a lot of phaser banks.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 05:09 PM (CMkNk)

317 Obama is neither a doofus or a fuckup.

Every bit of what's happened in the last 6 years has been part of an overall plan to reduce the power of the US and allow Islam to assume more power and control over more people.

Anyone denying this isn't paying attention or is afraid of the conclusions that must be drawn if it's true.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 01, 2014 05:10 PM (Avd1N)

318 I guess that Obama forgot that he is also associated with things caused by global warming, like AIDS, Afghan poppies destroyed, African holocaust, aged deaths, poppies more potent, Africa devastated, Africa in conflict, African aid threatened, aggressive weeds, Air France crash, air pockets, air pressure changes, airport farewells virtual, airport malaria, Agulhas current, Alaskan towns slowly destroyed, Al Qaeda and Taliban Being Helped, allergy increase, allergy season longer, alligators in the Thames, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), anaphylactic reactions to bee stings, ancient forests dramatically changed, animals head for the hills, animals shrink, Antarctic grass flourishes, Antarctic ice grows, Antarctic ice shrinks, Antarctic sea life at risk, anxiety treatment, algal blooms, archaeological sites threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Arctic in bloom, Arctic ice free, Arctic ice melt faster, Arctic lakes disappear, Arctic tundra lost, Arctic warming (not), a rose by any other name smells of nothing, asteroid strike risk, asthma, Atlantic less salty, Atlantic more salty, atmospheric circulation modified, attack of the killer jellyfish, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, Baghdad snow, Bahrain under water, bananas grow, barbarisation, bats decline, beer and bread prices to soar, beer better, beer worse, beetle infestation, beef shortage, bet for $10,000, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billion homeless, billions face risk, billions of deaths, bird loss accelerating, bird populations dying, bird strikes, bird visitors drop, birds confused, birds decline (Wales), birds driven north, birds face longer migrations, birds on long migrations threatened, birds return early, birds shrink(Aus), birds shrink (USA), bittern boom ends, blackbirds stop singing, blackbirds threatened, Black Hawk down, blizzards, blood contaminated, blue mussels return, borders redrawn, bluetongue, brains shrink, 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Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 01, 2014 05:10 PM (e8kgV)

319 When he leaves office, I anticipate he will interfere with all our foreign policy in Africa and the ME. This will never fricking end

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:10 PM (zOTsN)

320 299 Obama has problems stringing words into sentences.

This in many ways is the story of John Boehner.

Posted by: effit Settling In At Galt's Gulch at August 01, 2014 05:10 PM (knfPD)

321 Yeah I shudder to guess what a second Jimmy Carter term would have brought us, with how incredibly awful the first one was.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 05:10 PM (zfY+H)

322 313 Yeah, Carter was a major class fuckup, but this current doofus has set what I believe will be an unbeatable record of disaster and misery.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:07 PM (Vutl+)

No doubt about that. Carter all over and by orders of magnitude.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2014 05:10 PM (CMkNk)

323 IRB.

Wall of text?

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:11 PM (zOTsN)

324 Who listens to Brand? Am I the only one who finds his junky ass repulsive? Kurt Sutter hates the asshole, too.

Posted by: Pug the Boneless at August 01, 2014 05:12 PM (MPxFg)

325 Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy

I miss Butt Welds.

Posted by: toby928(C) at August 01, 2014 05:13 PM (QupBk)

326 "Anyway, 500 million peasants with spears running towards India or Japan would drain a lot of phaser banks."

Without roads, airports, leadership, or much of a military left, they wouldn't have the desire or means to do so. Mao was an idiot.

And why do people keep treating Russel Brand like he has a shred of credibility or significance? He's a disgusting no talent ass clown ex junkie jerk. Who cares what pours out of that hole in his face?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 05:13 PM (zfY+H)

327 323 IRB.

Wall of text?

Acid.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 01, 2014 05:13 PM (eAJwE)

328 What. Was. That.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:14 PM (zOTsN)

329 Machines for Sale.

Posted by: toby928(C) at August 01, 2014 05:14 PM (QupBk)

330 IRB.

Wall of text?

Acid.

Brown.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 05:14 PM (Uy+zs)

331 Lace front wigs was briefer and more pithy

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:15 PM (zOTsN)

332 I miss Butt Welds.

And kitteh filter machines.

This gives me a sad.
http://is.gd/u1q53s

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 01, 2014 05:16 PM (/kI1Q)

333 Machines for sale had more coherence, but less surprise

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:16 PM (zOTsN)

334 I will, though it has probably already been done, summarize the great accomplishments of Russell Brand

1. He boinked Katy Perry

And that ends that list.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2014 05:16 PM (OWjjx)

335 CNN now giving Hamas version of break down of cease fire. As though both parties are equally credible.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:17 PM (zOTsN)

336 The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests; we did.

But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general?

I put it to you, Greg! Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at August 01, 2014 05:17 PM (9TkYo)

337 I think I can sum up Ace's post here more briefly: people on the left are lying sacks of shit.

Posted by: An Observation at August 01, 2014 05:17 PM (ylhEn)

338 They talk fucked up and their shits all retarded

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:18 PM (zOTsN)

339
Every bit of what's happened in the last 6 years
has been part of an overall plan to reduce the power of the US and
allow Islam to assume more power and control over more people.

Anyone denying this isn't paying attention or is afraid of the conclusions that must be drawn if it's true.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 01, 2014 05:10 PM (Avd1N)

No. Obama is not a diabolical genius. He is a simple minded, dope smoking, brain-damaged, fuckwit that took advantage of Affirmative Action to get credentialed, and then conned gullible people into thinking he was smart by getting other people to write books for him.

Obama learned dirty politics in Chicago. There is nothing brilliant about dirty politics, it's the same ole same ole of threat and extortion. Oh, and he can talk a good game of jive.
Obama is a bull in a China Closet, and not Dr. GoldFinger. He is a clueless fool who has surrounded himself with clueless fools, and was furthermore put there by clueless fools.
The disasters he creates are not intentional or well planned. They are just the result of a clueless fuck having influence, like throwing a monkey wrench into an assembly of gears.

The monkey wrench can wreak terrible destruction without having a single thought in it's non-existent brain.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:19 PM (Vutl+)

340 Hamas spox now saying Israelis kidnapped their own soldier

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:19 PM (zOTsN)

341 It appears to me now that he's actually trying to start WWIII. But why he would want that, I still can't understand.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 01, 2014 04:44 PM (eAJwE)

"Some people just want to see the world burn."

Posted by: baldilocks at August 01, 2014 05:20 PM (36Rjy)

342 287 "All they're doing is establishing a very friendly, very loose code of behavior for America's enemies, and a vindictively inviolable one to America itself."

Here's the thing. Again I don't think this is on purpose, I don't think they set out to do any such thing. I doubt the larger issues or consequences of their rhetoric even enters their mind.

They want to get votes. They want to sound nice. They want to seem not racist and not judgmental while being sympathetic toward and understanding of the oppressed other. So they talk like this, not because of any grand overall scheme but because it pushes all the right buttons in their mind and feelings.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 04:58 PM (zfY+H)

Not picking on you, CT but-

Here's the thing - I'm absolutely tired of trying to attribute good motives to the Left when they never extend that courtesy to us.

Tell me what would be different in the results if their actions were motivated by malevolence and not peace, love and understanding?

Where is the evidence that they're motivated by PLandU and not envy, greed, and frankly pathological thinking?

We need to stop giving them any benefit of the doubt and say their PLandU is propaganda to fool the stupid.

The thing is we can back it up with the results of what happens when they run things.

We need to start punching back twice as hard, to quote a great man.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 01, 2014 05:20 PM (0cMkb)

343 Hamas spox now saying Israelis kidnapped their own soldier

And shot them too.

Damn sneaky JOOOS

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2014 05:21 PM (OWjjx)

344 Moral relativism is the rejection of God. Or, more simplistically, moral absolutes.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:21 PM (fBLZ3)

345 I put it to you, Greg! Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!

Hear! Hear!
And a harrumph or two!

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 05:22 PM (Uy+zs)

346 Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:19 PM (Vutl+)

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Never, ever underestimate the enemy.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 05:23 PM (He6PZ)

347 The JEF has told us what he planned to do and why he planned to do it. Why don't we believe him? He said the US was not exceptional. He said he would always stand with the Islamic man. He said he believed in redistribution of wealth. He said he did not want American hegemony. He is doing exactly what he said he would

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:23 PM (zOTsN)

348 I don't really see it as being kind to say the left is more incompetent and childish than evil. Either way they clearly shouldn't be in power. And our response should obviously not be shaped by their actions or templates.

Again, as I said last night, the problem the right has is trying to fight the left on their turf, by their rules, and with their weapons. Gosh they keep kicking our asses I wonder why?

Write off the federal level, its in flaming ruins falling out of orbit now anyway. Focus locally where the left is not nearly as effective, funded, or capable of pulling their usual stunts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 05:23 PM (zfY+H)

349
Boo! Boo! They removed the goat video:

This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy on nudity or sexual content.

Where was the nudity? And can you really call it sex?

If must have been the stupid pali lovers who complained.

Posted by: Pug the Boneless at August 01, 2014 05:23 PM (MPxFg)

350 So, Mr. President - if that's really your name - are you suggesting American hostages be taken and tortured, you know, for context and all...?

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at August 01, 2014 05:24 PM (WS+CW)

351 Nitwit British alleged comedian Russell Brand just criticized Sean Hannity for calling Hamas "terrorists." Brand argued that this is "simplistic" as it fails to take into account "the context."

I imagine by 'context' he doesn't mean beheadings, and vests with ball bearings going BOOM. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Guido- 'OUTRAGED!' just sayin' at August 01, 2014 05:24 PM (z5Y+N)

352 'Unchristian human communities have "diverse" notions of utilitarian morality. Therefore, morality is a purely communal and utilitarian construct.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:24 PM (fBLZ3)

353 Posted by: Pug the Boneless at August 01, 2014 05:23 PM (MPxFg)

The goats complained. They were switch raped.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2014 05:25 PM (OWjjx)

354 I just heard clip of McCain bitch that they left town w/o passing Bill to deal with crisis. He's got to retire! I'm sure he was bitching mostly about Sessions & Cruz!

Posted by: Carol at August 01, 2014 05:25 PM (sj3Ax)

355 Swirlies are not torture.

Posted by: DaveA at August 01, 2014 05:25 PM (DL2i+)

356 President Choad-Load's Owners & Masters dictate what he does and most of what he says. His occasional irrational drivel is swept under the rug by the MFM who answer to the same Owners & Masters.

Six weeks into 2009 they had to put a ball gag on Mooch as she insisted on saying what she was thinking, rather than the script. Multi-million $ vacations, momma living in the White House, and a "nice place you got here, shame if it was to get broken' conversation shut her up.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (9TkYo)

357 341 It appears to me now that he's actually trying to start WWIII. But why he would want that, I still can't understand.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 01, 2014 04:44 PM (eAJwE)

"Some people just want ~~to see the world burn."~~ a tangerine
Posted by: baldilocks at August 01, 2014 05:20 PM (36Rjy)

Ftfy

Posted by: Michael Caine at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (O2/c8)

358 Dang, Obama is all over the lot. Now he's having a hissy over Hamas breaking the ceasefire and kidnapping an Israelite. He's demanding an unconditional release, can't wait to hear Hamas reply to that one.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (1Y+hH)

359 If the Mexican cartels or MS13 shot 80-100 rockets everyday into San Diego, Brownsville, Tucson wonder what the Libtards would say then

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (HVff2)

360 And in the broken clock is right twice a day department.

Bawney Franks says Obama lied when he told people that under Obamacare that if you liked your plan you could keep it.

No link, its in HuffPo.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (OWjjx)

361 339
Every bit of what's happened in the last 6 years
has been part of an overall plan to reduce the power of the US and
allow Islam to assume more power and control over more people.

Anyone denying this isn't paying attention or is afraid of the conclusions that must be drawn if it's true.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 01, 2014 05:10 PM (Avd1N)

No. Obama is not a diabolical genius. He is a simple minded, dope smoking, brain-damaged, fuckwit that took advantage of Affirmative Action to get credentialed, and then conned gullible people into thinking he was smart by getting other people to write books for him.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:19 PM (Vutl+)

I think there definitely is a coordinated plan to bring down the United States. And Obama is a lazy blithering idiot.

I want to know who is pulling Obama's strings. It has to be more than just Soros. He is definitely working for America's enemies.

Posted by: rickl at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (zoehZ)

362 343 Hamas spox now saying Israelis kidnapped their own soldier

And shot them too.

Damn sneaky JOOOS

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2014 05:21 PM (OWjjx

El Presidente will be sooo pissed...at the Joos.

Posted by: Guido- 'OUTRAGED!' just sayin' at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (z5Y+N)

363 >>Am I the only one who finds his junky ass repulsive?

No. He's gross - you just know he smells. And as an admitted sex addict, he's likley being treated for at least one STD at any given moment. Ick.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2014 05:27 PM (D/504)

364 Moral relativists abolish absolute morality in favor of communal "morality."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:27 PM (fBLZ3)

365 358 Dang, Obama is all over the lot. Now he's having a hissy over Hamas breaking the ceasefire and kidnapping an Israelite. He's demanding an unconditional release, can't wait to hear Hamas reply to that one.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (1Y+hH)

Ha-ha we laugh in your face dog eater

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 01, 2014 05:27 PM (HVff2)

366 I just heard clip of McCain bitch that they left town w/o passing Bill to deal with crisis. He's got to retire! I'm sure he was bitching mostly about Sessions & Cruz!

Or that his oatmeal was lumpy.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2014 05:28 PM (OWjjx)

367 So, Mr. President - if that's really your name - are you suggesting American hostages be taken and tortured, you know, for context and all...?

Daniel Pearl.

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 05:28 PM (Uy+zs)

368 "He's demanding an unconditional release, can't wait to hear Hamas reply to that one. "

You know, if they promised to release him to John Kerry in person, he's arrogant to go to Gaza for the photo op.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at August 01, 2014 05:29 PM (HZLYB)

369 Hamas spox just said on CNN that they didn't kidnap the soldier, that Israel might have, and that we should believe them because they honest

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:29 PM (zOTsN)

370 If the Mexican cartels or MS13 shot 80-100 rockets everyday into San Diego, Brownsville, Tucson wonder what the Libtards would say then
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (HVff2)

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If only white people were killed, probably nothing.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 05:29 PM (He6PZ)

371 Ya know the country did elect TFG twice causing pain and suffering all over the planet for very little information gain. Damn we are torturers.

Posted by: DaveA at August 01, 2014 05:30 PM (DL2i+)

372 368 "He's demanding an unconditional release, can't wait to hear Hamas reply to that one. "

You know, if they promised to release him to John Kerry in person, he's arrogant to go to Gaza for the photo op.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at August 01, 2014 05:29 PM (HZLYB)

Has Israel taken any POWs? Maybe they can release hostages & Gitmo residents for a the hostage solider

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 01, 2014 05:31 PM (HVff2)

373
So did the GOP Estabs finish twisting the knife in our back or do we still get to look forward to that?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 01, 2014 05:31 PM (Aa8dh)

374 To the leftist mind Mary Jo Kopechne was guilty of trying to drown Ted Kennedy's career.

Posted by: An Observation at August 01, 2014 05:33 PM (ylhEn)

375 so weird

A spokesman from HHS confirmed to Breitbart Texas that as of July 7, five unaccompanied minors were released in Alaska. "Between January 1 and July 7, 2014, a total of five minors were discharged from the Unaccompanied Alien Children program to sponsors in Alaska," the spokesman said.

The trip from McAllen, Texas--where the current border crisis is occurring--to Anchorage, Alaska is a nine and a half hour flight. This is almost double the time it would take to fly the migrants back to their home countries in Central America; a flight from McAllen to El Salvador takes just over five hours, according to Google Maps.

The federal government's reasons for transporting unaccompanied minors all the way to Alaska are unclear.

Hawaii, Alaska... good Lord, the cost

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 01, 2014 05:33 PM (IXrOn)

376 Morality and immorality are to be determined by society, communally and chaotically, or Scientifically, rather than by "Theocrats," traditionalists, and erudite authority figures.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:33 PM (fBLZ3)

377
I think there definitely is a coordinated plan to bring down the United States. And Obama is a lazy blithering idiot.

I want to know who is pulling Obama's strings. It has to be more
than just Soros. He is definitely working for America's enemies.

Posted by: rickl at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (zoehZ)

It's a conspiracy in the same manner as the Dutch Tulip Mania. Just a whole bunch of foolish people producing a "black swan" sort of event. Obama is the consequence of the American Public listening to Hollywood and New York produced Drivel for the last 50 years.

That's not to say the Soviet era effort to undermine us socially has not born some fruit, but I think we would have gotten here anyway.

Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:34 PM (Vutl+)

378 "Some people just want to see the world burn."
Posted by: baldilocks at August 01, 2014 05:20 PM (36Rjy)

Ftfy
Posted by: Michael Caine at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (O2/c

Re-fixed.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 01, 2014 05:34 PM (36Rjy)

379 When the Left is in their echo-chambers congratulating themselves for being so smart and moral, it's easy for them to dismiss and excuse the realities that prove them wrong; when any one else smears the bad tasting smear of reality into their unicorn sammiches, they cant blindly parrot good-speech to protect theri inner child. That is the major reason they hate us, we keep trying to prevent them from being gods in their own minds by harshing their groove with the sour taste of consequences, supply and demand, and all other forms of reality

Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 01, 2014 05:34 PM (A9KzJ)

380 The guy who negotiated the release of the Israeli soldier who was held for five years said there will be no negotiation or release of prisoners this time. He said the Israelis have 40 to 50 k soldiers in Gaza and they are going to find him

Personally I think he is dead already

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:35 PM (zOTsN)

381 I have not yet begun to lobby!

Posted by: Eric Cantor at August 01, 2014 05:35 PM (eAJwE)

382 It is the triumph of social animalism, and therefore chaos, over God, and therefore order.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:36 PM (fBLZ3)

383 369 Hamas spox just said on CNN that they didn't kidnap the soldier, that Israel might have, and that we should believe them because they honest
Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:29 PM (zOTsN)

That soldier is likely already dead. These disgusting subhumans are sick enough to kill a man and take his body knowing that they can pretend he is possibly alive and use that as a bargaining chip.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 01, 2014 05:36 PM (O2/c8)

384 370 If the Mexican cartels or MS13 shot 80-100 rockets everyday into San Diego, Brownsville, Tucson wonder what the Libtards would say then
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (HVff2)

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If only white people were killed, probably nothing.
Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 05:29 PM (He6PZ)

And the killing of "protected" classes would be ignored.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 01, 2014 05:37 PM (36Rjy)

385 Alaska... good Lord, the cost

The cold!

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 05:37 PM (Uy+zs)

386 Meanwhile, over at foxnews.com, there is a picture of the ISIS assholes standing in front of heads without bodies.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 01, 2014 05:37 PM (V70Uh)

387 Personally I think he is dead already
Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:35 PM (zOTsN)

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Unfortunately, I agree. They'll probably find him tied to a post somewhere burned, beheaded and disemboweled.

Posted by: Soona at August 01, 2014 05:38 PM (He6PZ)

388 Posted by: D-Lamp at August 01, 2014 05:19 PM (Vutl+)

You're only fooling yourself. For whatever reasons you cannot admit that he has succeeded by all he's done to the country.

I understand but until we admit that he and others like him are the enemy, we're no better than John McCain claiming we should have no fear of an Obama presidency.

I suppose you're afraid of being painted with the Koo koo brush or being called racist or a birther or some such but the fact remains that he stated clearly what he planned to do and he has accomplished most of what he said he would.

That is not indicative of a doofus or fool. It shows a malice aforethought and a well planned assault.

Sure he couldn't foresee that certain things would happen as they did and perhaps he was surprised by how much the MSM covered for him but all that has happened would not have happened without his underlying hatred and aim of destroying the power of the US to influence and thwart Islamic goals while throwing this country into chaos and confusion and much of what has happened would not be so dire to the continued existence of the US.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 01, 2014 05:38 PM (Avd1N)

389
Why all this navel gazing? It matters not methods are employed t protect your family from those who would do them harm. Those who aren't impacted will always quibble till it is their loved ones in harms' way. Truly I learned that such triffles are those of men who lack the chins to be on the grounds and would not defend their mothers nor their children, because of their "ideals."

Such individuals will never outgrow their little boy pants. They are conflicted about whether an injection or a rope is the more humane manner of xecution for the murderer rapist of a ten year old. To such I say leave me in peace. Go to where more such as yourself dwell whether it be Berkley, Amherst, or Seattle.

Posted by: Obama the holy one at August 01, 2014 05:38 PM (lDfIi)

390 Oops. I guess it was too gruesome. They cropped the photo to remove the heads.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 01, 2014 05:38 PM (V70Uh)

391 And it produces a "disordered" chaotic, Atheistic "morality," mostly consisting of internal inconsistency.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:39 PM (fBLZ3)

392 Has Israel taken any POWs? Maybe they can release hostages & Gitmo residents for a the hostage solider
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 01, 2014 05:31 PM (HVff2)

They have hundreds just waiting for such needs.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 01, 2014 05:39 PM (1Y+hH)

393 359--- If the Mexican cartels or MS13 shot 80-100 rockets everyday into San Diego, Brownsville, Tucson wonder what the Libtards would say then.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 01, 2014 05:26 PM (HVff2)
----------------
Every time someone makes that argument I smile.
Because, you know what?
I don't think they'd give a damn --- unless they might lose some votes or money. Unless it hurt the Party. Then they would care about THAT.
Otherwise, it's just chickens coming home to roost, right?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2014 05:40 PM (dfYL9)

394 Nood up

Posted by: rickb223, District 13 at August 01, 2014 05:40 PM (Uy+zs)

395 I am no ghoul but I think we need to stop sanitizing these animals

They are proud of what they do. Let the word see it

Posted by: ThunderB at August 01, 2014 05:40 PM (zOTsN)

396 That interrogating terrorists in any way, shape or form, with or without waterboarding, is a giant error.

That's nutz, they have valuable information and are outside all law.

Posted by: DaveA at August 01, 2014 05:40 PM (DL2i+)

397 doug at #2 is exactly right. Projecting, it's what the morally reprehensible Left does. They think we are as horrible, as morally bankrupt, and as evil as they are.

And yet, the Presidencies of Reagan and both Bushes didn't have a thimbleful of the criminal actions and weaponization of federal agencies that have appeared under Sir Golfsalot's reign.

They should be very grateful we are NOT them, and they should stop pushing us for the excuse they think they want.

It will not end well for anyone, but it will be especially bad, as it always is, for the bullies who always count on their victim's better nature.

Obama, the Left, HAMAS, all part of the same movement -- selective moral relativism, all requiring their opponents to be better people than they are.

Gonna suck for them when Israel, the Right, etc, decides to finally, REALLY hit back.

Posted by: acethepug at August 01, 2014 05:40 PM (1IHhh)

398 354
I just heard clip of McCain bitch that they left town w/o passing Bill to deal with crisis. He's got to retire!

I would be more pleased if he just dropped dead.

Posted by: effit Settling In At Galt's Gulch at August 01, 2014 05:41 PM (knfPD)

399 Corgis, don spacesuits: NASA nood.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2014 05:41 PM (noWW6)

400 "If the Mexican cartels or MS13 shot 80-100 rockets everyday into San Diego, Brownsville, Tucson wonder what the Libtards would say then?"

They'd call for moderation and against "backlash" against Hispanics, have a day of prayer with all Hispanic ministers, condemn racist Republicans for forcing these noble brown men into this desperate act, and wonder if we don't really deserve the attack.

Its not hard to figure out, there are people IN ISRAEL making those arguments.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2014 05:42 PM (zfY+H)

401 It's a conspiracy in the same manner as the Dutch Tulip Mania. Just a whole bunch of foolish people producing a "black swan" sort of event. Obama is the consequence of the American Public listening to Hollywood and New York produced Drivel for the last 50 years. That's not to say the Soviet era effort to undermine us socially has not born some fruit, but I think we would have gotten here anyway.

I think you have to admitthat Soros is involved inwhat is going on - he stands to make a lot of money on chaos - as he has done before.

Posted by: An Observation at August 01, 2014 05:42 PM (ylhEn)

402 Love, compassion, and mercy i.e. Christian values are overpowered by hatred and "empathy" i.e. emotional masturbation.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:42 PM (fBLZ3)

403 And human dignity is overpowered by guilt, shame, and Sadism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:44 PM (fBLZ3)

404 With them sending all the invaders all over the country it's almost as if they expect them to act as catalysts of some sort.

A disease vector?

I know that sounds crazy but what is the purpose of making certain that every state has their own cyst of invaders?

It makes no sense unless you begin to think of less than benign purposes that could be at the heart of actions such as that.

It's like we're in a bad disease/zombie catastrophe movie.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 01, 2014 05:47 PM (Avd1N)

405 The arbitrary Collective Will establishes itself as the sole arbiter of collective "morality." Abolishing Theism, traditionalism, and even argumentation.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:51 PM (fBLZ3)

406 It would not surprise me in the least if the Obama admin has some sort of deal with the cartels to infiltrate and spread their members everywhere in the US. In return for...? The cartels' support if we get a bit too uppity?

Would not surprise me at all.

Posted by: KG at August 01, 2014 05:53 PM (p7BzH)

407 As one of my jewish friends pointed out: Hamas, ISIS, AlQaedaetc had better pray that they don't start to win - because Israel remembers two things - the holocaust, and what Sampson did in the temple.

Posted by: An Observation at August 01, 2014 05:54 PM (ylhEn)

408 The Collective Will, i.e. the collective subconscious, i.e. the collective id interacting with the collective superego is fundamentally reactive, and therefore easily swayed by demagogical "arguments."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 05:56 PM (fBLZ3)

409 Demagogical "arguments" crowd out appeals to consistency or "logic." "Illogic" triumphs over logic.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 06:00 PM (fBLZ3)

410 Man becomes a stupid beast.

Later, all.

God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 01, 2014 06:02 PM (fBLZ3)

411 A lot on the left support a woman's right to choose to abort her viable baby which causes pain and dare I say...torture.

Look how Gosnell's case was shushed up quick by the left and media.

Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2014 06:17 PM (Fbror)

412 None of you have a problem with Obama, really. Your problem is with the idiot American public who voted for Obama, TWICE. Polls say the people are opposed to amnesty and border chaos, yet how could the people not know that Obama would do this? The people are brain dead fools.

Posted by: Dan at August 01, 2014 06:22 PM (COpZ4)

413 Honesty is called for in this situation. Hard tasks will have to be performed. Wearing flowers and holding hands won't git-er-dun. A good honest snake-stomping, brush-clearing, and all-around general clean-up is in order, with follow-up assured scheduled maintenance. So this crap won't happen again.

Posted by: Erowmero at August 01, 2014 06:23 PM (go5uR)

414 I know most of the people here will disagree with me, but I am opposed to torture and assassination.

There are lines that separate civilized people from savages.

Posted by: Klown 2.0 at August 01, 2014 06:52 PM (5fSr7)

415 Posted by: model_1066 at August 01, 2014 04:37 PM (WBDpw)

----I am very late getting to this, but Model--1066, I have been wondering how you are doing with overcoming your addictions. I am glad you are posting and sincerely hope all is well.

Posted by: Chillin the most at August 01, 2014 07:08 PM (gxtMZ)

416 I know most of the people here will disagree with me, but I am opposed to torture and assassination.

There are lines that separate civilized people from savages.

How about chopping heads off vs pissing on dead bodies? Which act would you rather be associated with?

Posted by: Hadoop at August 01, 2014 07:11 PM (Ph479)

417 There are lines that separate civilized people from savages.

If moral relavitism was an ice cream flavor, what would your ice cream flavor be?

Posted by: Hadoop at August 01, 2014 07:13 PM (Ph479)

418 Just heard on Fox the Ebola plane is airborne to ATL. Q: I wonder if they considered the consequences if it went down in a metropolitan area.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at August 01, 2014 07:14 PM (WS+CW)

419 Evan Sayet was all over this: see his "Regurgitating the Apple" on Youtube.

His theory -- Liberal birdbrains can't bear the idea that anyone is better than anyone else, so they automatically side with the bad, the evil, and the stupid to "level the playing field." And voila! you have Vonnegut's short story "Harrison Bergeron."

The Reds, on the other hand, use that "idea" to attack the good, because they ARE in league with the devil (as Saul Alinsky gleefully admitted).

Posted by: Beverly at August 01, 2014 08:46 PM (SE6E+)

420 Mr President, well, you've been torturing a lot of "folks" for the past several years. Could you please stop now and just go away?

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at August 02, 2014 02:20 AM (2/oBD)

421 Stop the torture!

Posted by: The 48% at August 02, 2014 02:26 AM (Y6xQZ)

422 In life you have to do a lot of things you don't fucking want to do. Many times, that's what the fuck life is . . . one vile fucking task after another.

Posted by: Swearingen at August 02, 2014 03:00 AM (Y6xQZ)

423 I realized moral relativism was a wonky subject but I didn't realize it was used hypocritically.

Posted by: Ben(the original) at August 02, 2014 02:07 PM (DcG8N)

424 Torture. The Bush administration in fact devised enhanced techniques that were intended to not be torture. The rules of war do not define torture, so justice department lawyers defined it and developed a process short of torture that could be used on terrorists. To claim we tortured is a lie.

Posted by: DonS at August 02, 2014 02:28 PM (Hj7X8)

425 Look, this is all attached to the centuries old love affair with the myth of the 'Noble Savage'. It is the last vestige of European imperialism. It is also a condescending racism that is unrecognised as such by those who practice it.

Posted by: dran at August 02, 2014 02:44 PM (9Nsj/)

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