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LA Sheriffs Kept Big-Brother-Like Eye in the Sky Technology Secret, for Fears That the Public Wouldn't Approve
There is an argument against the technology itself. I'm not going to make that argument, because there's a much more obvious argument to be had here:
What on earth is the government of an alleged democratic republic doing hiding its actions from a supposedly free citizenry for fear that the citizens may object?“The system was kind of kept confidential from everybody in the public,” (LASD Sgt.) Iketani said. “A lot of people do have a problem with the eye in the sky, the Big Brother, so in order to mitigate any of those kinds of complaints, we basically kept it pretty hush-hush.”"In order to mitigate any of those kind of complaints." The logic here is incredible, and yet, at the same time, perhaps inevitable. We're going to be doing one thing that's creepy and scary -- watching you 24/7 per day -- so the thing we'll do to "mitigate those kinds of complaints" is also subvert democracy by keeping it secret from the public. Like I say, perhaps this is inevitable -- if you're doing one scary thing, then logic dictates you "mitigate" it by doing an even scarier thing. What the hell is going on in this country?
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Guy with the hair tsock at April 18, 2014 02:44 PM (DL2i+)
What?, indeed.
Posted by: Michael "Don't FOIA my research, man" Mann at April 18, 2014 02:44 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: DaveA at April 18, 2014 02:44 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: weew at April 18, 2014 02:44 PM (EaEMG)
Posted by: CNN\NBC\ABC\CBS\PBS\NYT\WashPost at April 18, 2014 02:45 PM (IdOTf)
Posted by: L to th' I to the' V at April 18, 2014 02:45 PM (ujux6)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 18, 2014 02:45 PM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Daybrother at April 18, 2014 02:45 PM (veDtP)
The government or the people?
So if someone tells the people that the government is stealing apples for example, whom do we lock up? The govt wrongdoers or the whistleblower??
Those who dismiss Snowden as nothing but a traitor are dangerous, dangerous people...
Posted by: prescient11 at April 18, 2014 02:45 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: SlackAttack at April 18, 2014 02:46 PM (l+QuE)
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 02:46 PM (9lyhM)
... yet another of Barack son's
Posted by: Qari Esmhatulla at April 18, 2014 02:46 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: The Desert Tortoise at April 18, 2014 02:46 PM (JtwS4)
A couple of weeks ago, there was a thread re the Koch brothers PAC spending vs. everyone else.
Can someone clue me as to the method of searching all AoSHQ threads?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 18, 2014 02:47 PM (aDwsi)
I just wish the thugs would stopping shooting grandma and her dog because they kick in the wrong door during their unholy war on drugs that we lost decades ago.
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 02:47 PM (T2V/1)
It is not so different in the obamacare information problem. yo may want to play games with the congress but who the fuck do yo think you are taking our money and using our resources to implement a law and force us to comply with it and not give us the information? nothing about obamacare is secret and nothing anywhere entitles you to take and hold information.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 02:47 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Roadrunner at April 18, 2014 02:47 PM (Fd8YL)
Really good question.
I knew Obama would shift things but I couldn't have seen how quickly things would change. This LA thing is not even that surprising after NSA, TSA, and all of the federal agencies (including Dept. of Ed.) creating and using their own SWAT teams to harass citizens.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2014 02:47 PM (IdOTf)
Posted by: Walrus Rex at April 18, 2014 02:48 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Miley's Tongue at April 18, 2014 02:48 PM (4bCZC)
Alien nation....
Posted by: backhoe at April 18, 2014 02:48 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Max Entropy at April 18, 2014 02:48 PM (cgtTL)
Posted by: Zombie Roy Scheider at April 18, 2014 02:48 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 02:48 PM (rDidD)
Where in the fuck is Morgan Freeman?? Didn't he have some deep moral objection to the Batman technology that could listen in to everyone's phone calls.
Mystic anyone???!!!! And yet the guy running for his life is the fucking traitor.
Have you people really thought about this shit?? Or are so called "conservatives" by and large goosestepping motherfuckers.
Newsflash you "rule of law" types. THERE IS ONE DOMINANT LAW THAT RULES THEM ALL - The US motherfucking Constitution. You violate that, and you cansuck a dick with your 35 USC 4666(i)(I)(AA)(bbb) violations...
Posted by: prescient11 at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (rDidD)
Well, it turns out that the Left really doesn't hate or distrust The Man, after all.
Indeed, all along, they wanted to be The Man.
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (9lyhM)
I bet they do but they don't want to upset us Bible and gun clinging types with that announcement.
bang, bang, shoot, shoot!
Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (BWlrj)
Posted by: eleven at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (8w6pW)
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Diogenes at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (08Znv)
Brother, so in order to mitigate any of those kinds of complaints, we
basically kept it pretty hush-hush.
In other words, "Citizens have completely reasonable, Constitutional reasons to oppose Big Brother-style surveillanace. But we didn't want to deal with any of that crap, so we just didn't bother telling anyone."
The lack of self-awareness is wonderful, isn't it? "A lot of people have a problem with the eye in the sky, the Big Brother..." Do you think LASD Sgt. Iketani realizes
A) Where "Big Brother" comes from, and
B) Why using it in that sentence as a clarifying parenthetical more or less proves that peoples' complaints are justified?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 18, 2014 02:50 PM (4df7R)
Civil liberties turned out the be the loser of the War on [Drugs, Terror, etc.].
Posted by: Andy at April 18, 2014 02:50 PM (2OaXr)
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 02:50 PM (9lyhM)
Posted by: prescient11 at April 18, 2014 02:50 PM (tVTLU)
Mohammed Pedro Whitaker has been identified as the alleged Kansas City
highway shooter and has been charged with 18 felonies from 9 separate
incidents around the city metro region.
... yet another of Barack son's
Posted by: Qari Esmhatulla at April 18, 2014 02:46 PM (e8kgV)
"Mohammed" eh. Obviously one of those Lutheran Teabaggers.
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (T2V/1)
Alien nation....
Posted by: backhoe at April 18, 2014 02:48 PM (ULH4o)
This!
Posted by: Velvet Ambition, the guy that will push that button at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (rDidD)
What's going on is the Police force is rapidly becoming a unionized thug arm of the government. They're the ones violently raiding people's homes for the most minor possession violation
http://tinyurl.com/lbkrgdo
Unfortunately the right is often blind to this because of their desire to be "tough on crime" and therefore lend the police too much trust and power.
Posted by: Roadrunner at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (Fd8YL)
Posted by: wth at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (wAQA5)
"The secret re-defined word of the week is...'mitigate'...'mitigate'."
Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (MKpBT)
Posted by: Walrus Rex at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (XUKZU)
Two of the three companies operating at Ohio's largest airport were informed by the drivers — one-third of the airport’s total fleet — last week that they will no longer participate in the airport’s dedicated taxicab program. The companies, Ace and Yellow Taxi Cab, were told by the drivers that their decision was based on religious reasons, airport spokeswoman Jacqueline Mayo told FoxNews.com.
Ann Gynn, a spokeswoman for the Gay Games, said she believes the protest is an “isolated” case and not indicative of the beliefs held by most residents in Cleveland and Akron, where the Gay Games will be held on Aug. 9-16.
It is still undetermined as to whether they would photograph or make cakes for the games.
Posted by: King Nebuchadnezzar at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Daybrother at April 18, 2014 02:52 PM (Bvjwy)
If you're looking for a comment, key your search term into Bing or whatever and add "site:minx.cc" (without the quotes) in the search box.
Posted by: Andy at April 18, 2014 02:52 PM (2OaXr)
Posted by: Ben Richards at April 18, 2014 02:52 PM (BAS5M)
/whisper mode
I'm Soothsayer
§
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 02:50 PM (9lyhM)<
How YOU doin?
Posted by: Barrel 'O Horny Monkeys at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (sjdRT)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (BrAHD)
1) The government (both parties) knows that they cannot/ will not balance the budget.
2) At some point- very suddenly- no one in the world will buy US Treasuries. We will have 'run out of other people's money.'
3) There will be massive civil unrest as all Fed + State budgets are FORCED to balance... hence the surveillance state.
4) By having control of the health-care system, they can keep the productive people alive and deny care to the old and the sick... and the unpopular.
I think I could continue in this line all day.
Posted by: xxx at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (8LXiP)
Progressives !
Democrats! Name and shame them.
Someone's peeking in your window. Who is?
Democrats!
Posted by: toby928© at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (QupBk)
Well, as long as they aren't watching her it's OK.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (IdOTf)
Yeah great.
Except in my area they want to fly it over houses to watch me in my yard.
They've said as much.
My yard is not a "public space."
The Mosaic theory of 4A may not be great, but I think it's important to have something like it.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: eleven at April 18, 2014 02:54 PM (8w6pW)
Tech gets cheaper every year (sensors, storage, compute power)
Tech gets better every years (better AI to spot crime in progress).
Solutions are now turn-key. Big business.
BRSLabs is one company.
Every time there is a major crime that scares the public, demands to install the tech will surge.
Big cities are leading the way -- Boston, NYC, LA.
Also college and corporate campuses.
Tech will migrate to mid-sized and small cities. Some will hold out. Most won't.
Not saying I approve, but most of the societal, technological, and economic trends point to an ever growing Panopticon.
Cities can't hire more cops cause pensions and labor costs.
Panopticon doesn't get overtime or a pension.
Panopticon gets cheaper and better every year, people don't.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 18, 2014 02:54 PM (ZPrif)
Civil liberties turned out the be the loser of the War on [Drugs, Terror, etc.].
This. And we can't just blame liberals. Even his Supreme Awesomeness Scalia loses his shit when it's about drugs and says "fuck rights, drugs are bad".
The lost war on drugs is what funds the Mexican cartels who are subverting the government of a very large and restive country on our border. The never ending War on Terror has made us all suspects every time we want to travel or attend a sporting event.
Ben Franklin should have come up with something pithy about this.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 18, 2014 02:54 PM (JtwS4)
Matt Damon, Keith Olberman, and Al Sharpton are running the country
but all we can do, according to Some, is use ridicule and shame.
Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( your grandfather's Dave Clark Five fan ) at April 18, 2014 02:54 PM (JyjXt)
I knew Obama would shift things but I couldn't have seen how quickly things would change. This LA thing is not even that surprising after NSA, TSA, and all of the federal agencies (including Dept. of Ed.) creating and using their own SWAT teams to harass citizens."
These things were happening long before Obama, and are part of the mission creep of various government agencies. No single president caused it; it's just the gradual growth and corruption of the government. Look at the Wisconsin department of natural resources conducting an armed raid on an animal shelter to confiscate a baby pet deer and euthanize it. Look at the cops who beat to death Kelly Thomas in California without provocation.
Posted by: Roadrunner at April 18, 2014 02:54 PM (Fd8YL)
Posted by: Lauren at April 18, 2014 02:55 PM (hFL/3)
It's going to be a helluva struggle - but my money is on Freedom. Not without lots of weeping and wailing though.
Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at April 18, 2014 02:55 PM (ME3z1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 02:55 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 02:55 PM (rDidD)
Search (control F search, not bing) the main page for "April 2014" or just scroll down about 1/3 of the way.
Click on April to see the list of post titles.
Posted by: Mama AJ at April 18, 2014 02:56 PM (SUKHu)
For the big privacy invasion, sit down with the IRS every year and tell them exactly what it is you do for a living, how much you make doing it, who you gave money to and a hundred more questions that the government has no right asking free citizens.
And you better answer every question.
Then, even if you do, the government can declare you to be a criminal and demand you prove your innocence while taking everything you own.
Let them peek in the window all they like, until we get this little injustice straightened out.
Posted by: jwest at April 18, 2014 02:56 PM (u2a4R)
That tech is an example of something that
A. I think is ok
and
B. we should know about so that people that DON'T think it's ok have a voice.
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 18, 2014 02:56 PM (h53OH)
Interesting, Mike Hammer, but what's the context here?
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 02:56 PM (9lyhM)
Posted by: eleven at April 18, 2014 02:56 PM (8w6pW)
Gay fascists, pissing on nuns, forced abortificents.
Yeah, there is a whirlwind coming...
Posted by: prescient11 at April 18, 2014 02:57 PM (tVTLU)
>>We're now part bureautocracy. We are now ruled by our bureaucratic overlords whose primary goals is keeping their job and advancing up the government ladder. Serving the people is distant second and is only done if it doesn't get in the way of goal #1.
Posted by: taylork at April 18, 2014 02:57 PM (9bPUR)
Someone's peeking in your window. Who is?
Democrats!"
There's plenty of blame to go around. Were the TSA completely innocent and professional pre-Obama, during the Bush years? I seriously doubt it.
Posted by: Roadrunner at April 18, 2014 02:57 PM (Fd8YL)
Earlier today I noticed all the supermarket checkers were dudes; mine had an English accent ( Home Counties, I think )
what's up with that?????????????????????????
Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( your grandfather's Dave Clark Five fan ) at April 18, 2014 02:57 PM (JyjXt)
3) There will be massive civil unrest as all Fed + State budgets are FORCED to balance... hence the surveillance state.
4) By having control of the health-care system, they can keep the
productive people alive and deny care to the old and the sick... and the
unpopular.
I think I could continue in this line all day.
Posted by: xxx at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (8LXiP)
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that happened a long time ago after Oshitforbrains took office. The treasury "prints money" and the fed buys it. It is called "monetizing the debt". Argentina is the last country to try it. They collapsed.
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 02:57 PM (T2V/1)
ok, well now that we know irs, atf, dhs, sheriff's, dept of DOJ etc come after you if you have opinions they don't like.
so what!
why should you have opinions or be frustrated with govt watching you?
Posted by: willow at April 18, 2014 02:57 PM (nqBYe)
Eh, I wouldn't say it's an issue of being tough on crime but, as with all things, the right is reactive. Liberals can be both entirely dismissive of the need for police at all and yet use them as a client group as well as a political shield.
Posted by: Michael at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (659DL)
Perhaps.
But the real idea behind the panopticon was that you were so afraid you were being watched at any given moment (even if you weren't) that you basically policed yourself.
This is the scary shit though, because in the Panopticon it was criminals and the self-policing was against actual bad behavior.
In this society it's average joes and the "behavior" is whatever the elites have deemed to dislike at any give time.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (HDwDg)
Sure, but under Obama this stuff has been fast-tracked by him and left uninvestigated by the MSM and so-called opposition party. Makes a difference.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (IdOTf)
Posted by: willow at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Andy
How do you get good results searching for hashs with embedded +s?
Posted by: DaveA at April 18, 2014 02:59 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 18, 2014 02:59 PM (ndlFj)
They've said as much.
My yard is not a "public space."
The Mosaic theory of 4A may not be great, but I think it's important to have something like it.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (HDwDg)
They have been flying police helicopters over people's yards and monitoring them for decades.
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 02:59 PM (T2V/1)
Ah, if only we had our own Evita...
...oh, wait, we'll get a 69-year-old version. Joy.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 18, 2014 02:59 PM (T0NGe)
To be honest, I was expecting a lewd pic of a chimp..
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 02:59 PM (9lyhM)
His name is Mohammed Pedro Whitaker, so it’s safe to assume he’s a Muslim convert.
Weasel Zippers
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 02:59 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: willow at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (nqBYe)
well i guess i now have to quit wearing sweat pants when i go shopping. i
wouldn't want them to think badly of me. Like maybe I don't care!
Posted by: willow at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (nqBYe)<
I think the Horde approved shopping style for 'ettes involves yoga pants.
Posted by: Barrel 'O Horny Monkeys at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (sjdRT)
To be fair, Argentina has done it about a dozen times.
Maybe they'll get it right next time.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (659DL)
This may have already happened but we don't know for sure because the Federal Reserve has been (indirectly) buying the short term debt at the Treasury auctions.
Posted by: Gordon Gekko at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: willow at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (nqBYe)
Switching to yoga pants? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (sjdRT)
Yes - until this master / slave relationship is no more - our masters will continue to do what masters do - that is - whtaever the hell they want.
Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (ME3z1)
So you have no expectation of privacy whatsoever anymore, basically is what we're saying.
This is some very fucked up shit.
Posted by: prescient11 at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (tVTLU)
Search (control F search, not bing) the main page for "April 2014" or just scroll down about 1/3 of the way.
Click on April to see the list of post titles.
Posted by: Mama
---------------
Mama - Thanks!
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 18, 2014 03:00 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 18, 2014 03:01 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (IdOTf)
If it were a Republican president, they'd blame him for something that happened in a local jurisdiction and resulted from absolutely no change in policy.
They just make up an outrage of the week.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 18, 2014 03:01 PM (T0NGe)
Now? Now we see them all for who they are: the worst of the worst. A laughing stock, if it wasn't so serious. To work in public service in Los Angeles is to be held in contempt.
And, unfortunately, it's often for very good reason.
Posted by: RobM1981 at April 18, 2014 03:01 PM (zurJC)
Another case of technology changing the game though.
Helicopters are expensive, and loud, meaning that if one takes up residence over my house, I'll know.
The police chief in the city here is talking about buying a few battery operated drones and having them crisscross the city all night long.
Silent and fairly inexpensive to do (relative to the cost of keeping a helicopter in flight all night.)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 18, 2014 03:01 PM (HDwDg)
Put the search term (hash) in quotes.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (MKpBT)
I think the Horde approved shopping style for 'ettes involves yoga pants.
We're working on the upgrade from "approved" to "mandatory".
Posted by: AoSHQ Style Guide Compliance Division at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (JtwS4)
future terrorists that they are.
Posted by: willow at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (nqBYe)
There is no punishment for acting like Major Hochstetter so why not go full National Socialist?
Posted by: JB1000 at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (bzVvg)
Yep. It's all starting to come apart.
The challenge now is to, instead of having things _come_ apart violently and randomly, to instead _take_ things apart nonviolently and carefully.
Let the various irreconcilable factions and regions and peoples of the failed American superstate peacefully separate their affairs from each other.
The Czechs and the Slovaks managed the famous "Velvet Divorce". That's the model to be emulated.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (noWW6)
All that noise about the Patriot Act back in 2002-2006...
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (9lyhM)
And you have the NSA being able to track anyone... anywhere... once they get a lock on you....
Even on private property...
All the pieces exist... all you need is the storage facility.... like the one being built in Utah.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 03:03 PM (84gbM)
That's cute. Now parents are arrested for letting their kids play in the front yard...with the parent outside watching them.
Posted by: Lauren at April 18, 2014 03:03 PM (hFL/3)
Completely different - Bush wanted to see our library book lists. That's a bridge too far, I say!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2014 03:04 PM (IdOTf)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 18, 2014 03:04 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Daybrother at April 18, 2014 03:04 PM (DmnSa)
the jugassed moron is so lawless and thuggish that it gives license to these chumps to do this.
you think repubs will put a stop to it? they are cows.
shoot em down.
this country will not end well. i can see barry smiling and taking a selfie now.
Posted by: rev dr der commisar miller at April 18, 2014 03:04 PM (wu8jU)
Enclose the entire hash in ""s
Posted by: Andy at April 18, 2014 03:04 PM (2OaXr)
Best defense, since it is inevitable, is more cameras. Watch the watchers.
Only way to protect yourself will be to record everything in your life and upload it to a secure site.
Good thing is there will be much less violent crime in our Panopticon future.
But the bad thing is it will just be harder to do anything against the rules. Even little things, like compliance with recycling laws. I don't recycle on principle just to fuck with the eco-nazis.
In the future the eco-nazis will have 24/7 surveillance and automated AI watching all garbage and waste streams and it will be much, much harder to cheat.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 18, 2014 03:04 PM (ZPrif)
As for this story, privacy is pretty much dead, but yes, this is still creepy.
Posted by: Lea at April 18, 2014 03:05 PM (lIU4e)
driving from Fresno to Menlo Park takes 2 - 3 hours, but it's a trip from one universe to another.
Read my articles
Posted by: Victor Davis Hanson ( not your grandfather's VDH ) at April 18, 2014 03:05 PM (JyjXt)
Well, for starters, it's not really a "country" anymore, so much as a farm. A plantation, if you will.
And we're the livestock. Free-range, farmed livestock.
Sort of like an open-air prison.
Posted by: Phinn at April 18, 2014 03:05 PM (i5GO4)
At least for states and municipalites there is still very small hope to end these things.... don't vote for tax raisers or tax bonds. Put their funding at bare subsistence.
Problem is that alot of the pro-privacy people keep voting for the pro-taxers because pro-abortion and social justice.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 03:05 PM (BrAHD)
Posted by: Bryan Singer, Harry Reid at April 18, 2014 03:06 PM (IdOTf)
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at April 18, 2014 03:06 PM (IAe6t)
Yet they now impose this on "free" citizens, for the children of course.
"Rule of law" people make me sick.
Posted by: prescient11 at April 18, 2014 03:06 PM (tVTLU)
I really don't recognise this country anylonger.
Posted by: willow at April 18, 2014 03:06 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 18, 2014 03:06 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (nzKvP)
Amnesty! And I'm 3-sheets to the wind and hellbent on doing it!
Posted by: John "tanning salon" Boehner at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (0f5D+)
She sued the shit out of him and won. He used "unreasonable" methods to access her yard. Note, that he was not a cop.
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Chief Pug at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (8c12T)
In the small thoroughly Republican Texas town that I'm from, we have a huge over-funded and genuinely corrupt police force. We got to that point because in any conflict between citizen and policeman, the local Reps think a cop can do no evil, even if the SWAT members beat their wives, or random police officers sell/buy meth from druggies on the side. This is a real phenomenon.
Posted by: Roadrunner at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (Fd8YL)
the creation of DHS put this on steroids however...
Thanks Bush and Repubs!
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Fritz at April 18, 2014 03:08 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 03:08 PM (rDidD)
But above all, the lapdog media is the biggest problem. Fix that and a lot of the other problems fall like dominos.
Posted by: Mayday at April 18, 2014 03:08 PM (eHc+1)
Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (noWW6)
No, not possible here and now: Where do you draw the border line? Czechs and Slovaks have distinct languages and a long-recognized border.
We and our enemies are mixed together==so this will be like the English Civil War rather than our previous one ( or Europe )
Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 18, 2014 03:08 PM (JyjXt)
Posted by: not Buckminster Fuller, but still good with concepts at April 18, 2014 03:08 PM (1/4XQ)
I'm right there with you guys, er, 'ettes.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2014 03:08 PM (IdOTf)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 18, 2014 03:09 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at April 18, 2014 03:09 PM (4oWMT)
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 18, 2014 03:10 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: The Person who says "For Your Own Good" while your dismembered body lays on the cold slab at April 18, 2014 03:10 PM (73P68)
She sued the shit out of him and won. He used "unreasonable" methods to access her yard. Note, that he was not a cop.
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (T2V/1)
Howard and Raj did something similar with a satellite. Did anyone sue them?
Posted by: Chief Pug at April 18, 2014 03:10 PM (8c12T)
Ohhh! Look at the diversity of stores! All this sh*t to buy! Totes cool!!!
Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 18, 2014 03:10 PM (JyjXt)
the creation of DHS put this on steroids however...
Thanks Bush and Repubs!
Seriously. This is not a left/right issue. And it's not even a cool Constitutional thing about the limits on the federal government's powers. It's creeping statism everywhere at all levels, it's militarized police and now militarized bureaucracies.
I have no idea how to roll it back, but I'm agin it.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 18, 2014 03:10 PM (JtwS4)
It's okay, I know where you live - I'll be right over. Hold tight!
Posted by: Bawny Fwank at April 18, 2014 03:11 PM (pgQxn)
We can already do it for most vehicles if we wanted. License plate readers, EZPass transponders, and just object recognition.
Facial recognition gets better every year.
City surveillance tech advanced a lot in the Iraq War. We'd set up sat systems to monitor all of Baghdad.
That tech is now being brought back to the US and used to monitor American cities.
It's the recording and object recognition. Crime happens. Trace back to see where the people and cars came from, trace them back to the source.
Tech gets better every year.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 18, 2014 03:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: S. Muldoon (International Tortoise Wranglers local #555 at April 18, 2014 03:12 PM (MKpBT)
Note that LAPD still haven't released any information about the officers who were responsible for the mistaken-identity shooting during the Chris Dorner manhunt.
That was the shooting where the LAPD had been told Dorner might be in the area, and the patrol officers had been given a detailed description of Dorner and his truck.
The officers then proceeded to turn a truck and its occupants into a colander.
The occupants were both the wrong ethnicity, wrong gender and wrong age to be Dorner. The truck was the wrong make, wrong model, wrong year and wrong color to be Dorner's truck. (It was, however, a truck. That similarity has to be admitted.)
So, the officers responsible for this are still on the force. LAPD and the police oversight board are being very very cagey about releasing even the tiniest nub of information about those officers.
This may reasonably be inferred to be for the same reason that the police deliberately withhold identifying information about certain criminal suspects. Because of identity politics. It wouldn't do for LAPD's obsessive "diversity" push to be seen to have put dangerously incompetent officers on the beat.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 03:12 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (q+fqH)
No, it's not "almost".
Posted by: Mr. Toilet GoPro at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: And you thought it was just a show... at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (nzKvP)
Amnesty! And I'm 3-sheets to the wind and hellbent on doing it!
Posted by: John "tanning salon" Boehner at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (0f5D+)
Yeah, Boner John is proving the Donks right by showing that he and his GOPe pals are willing to sell the country down the river to make sure his big business buddies can maximize profits.
Posted by: Walrus Rex at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (IdOTf)
Baca is a Dem though, so nothing to see here and he's "concerned about the public's perception of the LA Sheriff's Office"
Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (aTXUx)
Thanks, turns out the hash I was looking for hadn't been crawled yet.
Posted by: DaveA at April 18, 2014 03:14 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Chief Pug at April 18, 2014 03:14 PM (8c12T)
===========
They're losing their grip and finding some of us will indeed not comply.
Blood's coming . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 18, 2014 03:15 PM (VjL9S)
I have no idea how to roll it back, but I'm agin it."
I genuinely wish more people on the right would realize this.
Posted by: Roadrunner at April 18, 2014 03:15 PM (Fd8YL)
Posted by: Hothead at April 18, 2014 03:15 PM (+V/wy)
Posted by: toby928© at April 18, 2014 03:15 PM (QupBk)
See, now if that had been a car, you would have had a point.
Posted by: jwest at April 18, 2014 03:15 PM (u2a4R)
I grew up in a small Southern town with some of the crookedest cops on the face of the earth. There is a scene in the movie Crossroads where a local sheriff runs Ralph Macio, Joe Seneca, and Jami Gerts out of "farmer Brown's barn where they were spending the night. Reminds me a lot of those days.
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 03:16 PM (T2V/1)
btw, aren't we past due for another "story" in the "news" about how obama just stopped yet another terror plot?
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 03:16 PM (9lyhM)
And then he still gets scolded by Osqueezme 3 times a week.
What a bunch of pathetic spineless whimpering losers.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 18, 2014 03:16 PM (pgQxn)
http://bit.ly/Ql48dA
Posted by: MTF at April 18, 2014 03:16 PM (IS2o0)
We're fighting for freedom around the world, don't you know that?
Generalissimo Barry will send troops to die for "freedom and democracy" in Ukraine, Libya, Syria...
I wonder when the United States of Kardassian will fight for it
Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2014 03:16 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: polynikes at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: toby928© at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (QupBk)
As soon as they figure out how they're going to "off" a bunch of ranchers without too much backlash, you'll see it.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (d0Dmj)<
Not drinking enough?
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (sjdRT)
Chelsea's pregnant!!
Posted by: CNN\NBC\ABC\CBS\PBS\NYT\WashPost at April 18, 2014 02:45 PM (IdOTf)
We had this the night her husband and his best friend porked her!
Posted by: NSA at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (nQjHM)
Czechs and Slovaks have distinct languages and a long-recognized border."
Er, increasingly, the fractured and fractious tribes inhabiting "America" have distinct languages. And reasonably clear internal boundaries along which separations could be engineered.
Note the "Six Californias" proposal. Several of those groupings make geographic and political sense. It's just that breaking up CA while trying to still fit it into the failed bankrupted federal system would be awkward.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (noWW6)
#twoweeks
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at April 18, 2014 03:19 PM (jsa6I)
Just at home. With the blinds shut.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (d0Dmj) Smite posts from (d0Dmj)
*ahem*
Posted by: the sexy toaster at April 18, 2014 03:19 PM (QupBk)
Maybe Patriot Act. Maybe those who have opposed it and its reauthorizations had a point. Maybe more than anything in it, it's the overall thrust of it. It meant government was going to get a lot more snoopy and a lot more secretive. And that was OK because terrorism. And this attitude trickled down to local law enforcement. And that's not even getting to mission creep (Department of Homeland Security now chases after absconded child molesters).
Posted by: random thought generator at April 18, 2014 03:19 PM (uYUVu)
#twoweeks
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (d0Dmj
It's Good Friday. Slow news cycle. Can't bravely stop the terrorist menace when nobody is paying attention.
No, we'll get a hush hush release of what else TFG has done this week to F us.
Posted by: RWC at April 18, 2014 03:20 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (d0Dmj)<
Heh. After work I'm going to my favorite bar and giving my favorite bartender Easter candy. Gotta keep the right people happy.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 18, 2014 03:20 PM (sjdRT)
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 18, 2014 03:20 PM (UypUQ)
I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules, dealing with fools
I can cheat you blind
Posted by: The Lee Baca Project at April 18, 2014 03:21 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: MTF at April 18, 2014 03:21 PM (Zx2Zj)
If push came to shove, they'd need more than helicopters to control Chicago. It would take months and months to pacify, and they then would be sitting ducks for raids from outside the zone.
Posted by: not Buckminster Fuller, but still good with concepts at April 18, 2014 03:21 PM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 18, 2014 03:08 PM (JyjXt)
You draw the border and provide a couple of years for relocation to your chosen new country if necessary. If I lived in a part that was to become the Progressive States of America, I would be fired up to pack up and move .
Posted by: polynikes at April 18, 2014 03:21 PM (m2CN7)
I'll soon be recruiting for my secret cabal --The Sons of the Righteous and Harmonious Fists.
But first I need to win the Powerballs.
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 03:22 PM (9lyhM)
Actually going to the in laws tomorrow, spending the night, going to church Sunday, then to Choctaw Casino for the buffet slots.
Then to hell.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:22 PM (d0Dmj)
I still have The Chew Baca Project's first album..
Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 03:23 PM (9lyhM)
Posted by: Nanny Pelousy at April 18, 2014 03:23 PM (32Ze2)
Furthermore, why should we give up land to the leftists? Why should they half of the country? In the future, if our splinter state also succumbs to the siren call of left wing idiocy, will we just split in half again? Secession is a non-starter, it is only proposed when a given faction does not think it can truly "win" against the other and just wants to make the cost of victory so high the other side decides it's not worth it. It is a stupid idea that ignores asking how things got so bad to begin with.
Posted by: Captain_Cookie at April 18, 2014 03:23 PM (qJPSp)
Posted by: Beto at April 18, 2014 03:24 PM (/vO0r)
night, going to church Sunday, then to Choctaw Casino for the buffet
slots.
Then to hell.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:22 PM (d0Dmj)<
That sounds like a James McMurtry song.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 18, 2014 03:24 PM (sjdRT)
the Iraq war. Every time an IED went off all they'd have to do was watch
the tape to see where the insurgents fled to.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 18, 2014 03:20 PM (UypUQ)
^^^They did! Read the story, you dummy.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 18, 2014 03:24 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Nanny Pelousy
Make sure you stop by and see Chelsea.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:24 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: Adjoran at April 18, 2014 03:24 PM (QIQ6j)
That is, there have always been government and law enforcement types who would do this sort of thing but haven't been able to because the technology didn't allow it. Now it does, and we see their true colors.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at April 18, 2014 03:24 PM (F3nFt)
Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (noWW6
The Six California purpose was strictly proposed to set up competitive governments. The originator expected either the governments would straightened up and be for the people or the people would relocate to the government that best did.
Posted by: polynikes at April 18, 2014 03:24 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 18, 2014 03:25 PM (thLL8)
Posted by: toby928© at April 18, 2014 03:26 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Beto at April 18, 2014 03:26 PM (/vO0r)
Note the "Six Californias" proposal. Several of
those groupings make geographic and political sense. It's just that
breaking up CA while trying to still fit it into the failed bankrupted
federal system would be awkward.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (noWW6)
Er, I've seen the proposed lines for the 'six' and they're a joke ( but not funny ). Try drawing lines for some New American Entities. Just try...
Czechs and Slovaks were only in the same country for two-three generations, with half of that under Soviet military occupation. They were RE-separated, after centuries of being ruled by Austrians and Hungarians
Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 18, 2014 03:26 PM (JyjXt)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 18, 2014 03:27 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Captain_Cookie at April 18, 2014 03:27 PM (qJPSp)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2014 03:27 PM (aTXUx)
Maybe the Colonies shouldn't have split from the Crown.
Posted by: polynikes at April 18, 2014 03:28 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: toby928© at April 18, 2014 03:28 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: not Buckminster Fuller, but still good with concepts at April 18, 2014 03:28 PM (1/4XQ)
On July 1 all foreign banks must have an Agreement in place with the US IRS, to identify US Account holders, and how much is in their accounts...
or US banks will hold back 30% of transfers to them.
So you cannot hide your money....even overseas...
How many banks have signed these agreements is not public knowledge...
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 03:28 PM (84gbM)
getting a shit-ton more of them when we militarized cops for the war on
drugs"
America has been fighting the War On Certain Drugs since FDR.
Fairly regularly ever since, politicians have amped it up with fanfare.
One of those occasions was during the Reagan and Bush the Lesser years (Bush the Lesser, #41, as distinct from his dim son Bush the Lesser Still, #43).
I remember all of the grrrrr, arrrr, get-em, take-out-the-trash, hyperaggresive militaristic rhetoric, and frankly a lot of it was what started pushing me hard away from the GOP and towards the Libertarian Party, because I thought a lot of this was poorly thought through. Emotive, not rational.
For instance: at that very same time of the massively renewed push for the "War On Drugs" in the Reagan years, Cap Weinberger over at the Pentagon was consistently arguing for tough new rules about when and how the nation should go to war-war.
For instance, Cap said, war plans should include clearly and specifically defined objectives, and a timetable for those objectives, and if the objectives weren't attained on time, then there needed to be a pre-agreed alternate plan to extricate from the war effort and contain the failure.
So, I said, these are fantastic common sense guidelines. We should be using them in every war situation. (pause) WHY THE FUCK AREN'T WE APPLYING THESE SAME RULES TO THE "WAR ON DRUGS" TOO?
Never got a coherent response from anyone I asked in Republican politics. Not once.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 03:28 PM (noWW6)
"The WSJ reports that a red fox has been causing chaos around the White House, tripping security alarms, digging up Michelle’s garden and distracting the president from his duties....
President Obama was apparently “stunned” to see the fox roaming freely down the oft-photographed White House colonnade, home to the world’s shortest, but most dramatic, outdoor strolls...
As Michelle Obama’s garden sat unattended during the shutdown, the fox “tore” through it.
The garden part is funny.
Distracting Barack from his job? WTF.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2014 03:29 PM (IdOTf)
Posted by: Freebie Monitors of CA at April 18, 2014 03:29 PM (wAQA5)
I'm ok with it as long as its limited to backtracking reported crimes, not prevention measures.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 18, 2014 03:29 PM (UypUQ)
Well. Nations gravitate toward ignorance and tyranny.
It takes enough adults in the room to demand everyone get out of the pool to fix it.
Unfortunately, our idiot to adult ratio is >> 1.
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 03:30 PM (x3YFz)
Velvet Ambition?All I can do is look out for me and mine own. That family across the street who was so good to me after my Miss Emily died. The cute cat lady on the Island who is still embroiled in her late husband's shady dealings. Maybe the widow down the street- but she may be a nag.
Posted by: backhoe at April 18, 2014 03:30 PM (ULH4o)
Coastal counties ( including the Bay Area ) from Sonoma down through San Diego become 'Pacifica' ; the rest of the counties are California
change 'Fresno' to "Hanson"
Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 18, 2014 03:30 PM (JyjXt)
Posted by: Adjoran at April 18, 2014 03:24 PM (QIQ6j)
collective guilt is NOT a Conservative or Libertarian concept...
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 03:30 PM (84gbM)
Hey, privateers worked in the War of 1812!
Posted by: not Buckminster Fuller, but still good with concepts at April 18, 2014 03:30 PM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: MSM at April 18, 2014 03:30 PM (wAQA5)
now here we are, all commenting under nicknames? guess we have all been cowed into submission, for now anyway.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 03:31 PM (rDidD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGxNyaXfJsA
Posted by: Hothead at April 18, 2014 03:31 PM (uUMuz)
Sounds like a pool party at my place.
Posted by: Bryan Singer at April 18, 2014 03:31 PM (pgQxn)
Put 10 or more of them together and you get nonsense.
Hence "individualism."
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 03:31 PM (x3YFz)
See!!! Fox IS distracting the President from his Job!!!
Posted by: John Stweart Fan at April 18, 2014 03:32 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Shorty Johnson at April 18, 2014 03:32 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent at April 18, 2014 03:32 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 18, 2014 03:32 PM (thLL8)
Rob Halford is a prophet....
Up here in space
I'm looking down on you
My laser's trace
Everything you do
You think you've private lives
Think nothing of the kind
There is no true escape
I'm watching all the time
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean
I'm electric, electric spy
I'm protective electric eye
Always in focus
You can't feel my stare
I zoom into you
You don't know I'm there
I take a pride in probing
All your secret moves
My tearless retina
Takes pictures that can prove
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean
I'm electric, electric spy
I'm protective electric eye
Electric eye
In the sky
They feel the stare
So always there
There's nothing you can do about it
Develop and expose
I feed upon your every thought
And so my power grows
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean
I'm electric, electric spy
I'm protecting electric eye
I'm electric, electric spy
I'm protecting
Protective, detective
Electric eye
http://tinyurl.com/mp46gaf
Or the flamenco version.....
http://tinyurl.com/m5cat8c
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 18, 2014 03:33 PM (TIIx5)
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
It won't be long before the New Super Algorithms! will be able to tell you're going to commit a crime before you do. The armed drone will "apprehend" you before you're a danger to others.
Posted by: not Buckminster Fuller, but still good with concepts at April 18, 2014 03:33 PM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2014 03:33 PM (aTXUx)
Which is why we were created to be a Republic of independent States... not a Democracy.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 03:34 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 03:34 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( and his hair was perfect ) at April 18, 2014 03:34 PM (JyjXt)
Manned or unmanned helicopter over head with a police logo on the side = violation of all right and should be shot out of the sky.
Posted by: Need some tinfoil at April 18, 2014 03:34 PM (O3+sw)
****
Witch!
I mean, he must be. Who else could have divined such a reaction?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 18, 2014 03:34 PM (DmNpO)
Also, the Colonies shared a single general culture that clashed with, and was ultimately distinct from, British culture. Not all Red states agree on everything, neither do all Blue States. New York and California are night and day, as is Texas and Alaska. And all of these are far more similar to each other that what you would find in, say, Mexico.
We are not two nations that share a border, we are one nation that has two options for the future.
Posted by: Captain_Cookie at April 18, 2014 03:35 PM (qJPSp)
Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 03:35 PM (T2V/1)
Put 10 or more of them together and you get nonsense.
The trouble is not groupings of people; it is that small groups of people make decisions for larger groups.
That is where stupidity comes in.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 18, 2014 03:35 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: The Jackhole at April 18, 2014 03:35 PM (uOV6o)
Posted by: Paladin at April 18, 2014 03:36 PM (QGbEp)
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 18, 2014 03:37 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: LA Sheriff Perv Dept. at April 18, 2014 03:38 PM (wAQA5)
(LASD Sgt.) Iketani said. “A lot of people do have a problem with the
eye in the sky, the Big Brother, so in order to mitigate any of those
kinds of complaints, we basically kept it pretty hush-hush.”"
=====
So, was the "system" kept confidential from the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, too? Was the drone "system" a separate line in the county's budget, or was it hidden in a general expenditure item? Did the LA Sheriff's Department brief the LA County Supervisors on the general drone program, or were they kept in the dark, too? Because I'd like to know if this "system" is rogue LEO program or the Board of Supervisors was in on the game.
Posted by: mrp at April 18, 2014 03:38 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 18, 2014 02:54 PM (JtwS4)
No, not 'this'. Scalia never said/wrote/ruled 'fuck rights' anywhere and I guess I'm one of the few people left who thinks throwing major drug dealers in prison for most of their lives is a good idea. In a just world, we'd just shoot them on the spot and have done with it. But we can't, which is why--in the end--we were bound to lose the war on drugs.
And the war on terror? Just what, exactly, do you propose we do? There are no doubt many dozens of terrorist cells right now in the continental United States who are waiting for the go-ahead from their higher. And forget nukes: it would be comparativelystraightforward for an Al-Queda-type cell to come up with a ricin or anthrax cocktail capable of taking out a few city blocks. Don't you think we should, oh I don't fucking know, be on the lookout for these murderousassholes?
Posted by: troyriser at April 18, 2014 03:38 PM (2jF2B)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2014 03:33 PM (aTXUx)
A corollary to the "you have nothing to worry about if you obey the law" thing.
Tell that to the jews.
How can these people be so smart and so stupid at the same time?
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 03:38 PM (x3YFz)
You might want to try and evaluate your India / Pakistan comparison before you try deconstruct my snark.
Posted by: polynikes at April 18, 2014 03:39 PM (m2CN7)
random thought generator ?Back in the day on Free Republic I caught Holy Hell from a few people for pointing out "don't give President Bush any powers you wouldn't want President Hillary to have." I stand by that now.
Posted by: backhoe at April 18, 2014 03:40 PM (ULH4o)
Manned or unmanned helicopter over head with a TV logo on the side = Hey look you can see my house.
Manned or unmanned helicopter over head with a police logo on the side = violation of all right and should be shot out of the sky.
Posted by: Need some tinfoil at April 18, 2014 03:34 PM (O3+sw)
Private vs Government.
Your local Eyewitness Action News station doesn't have power hungry jackholes with guns and arrest powers operating the drones.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 18, 2014 03:42 PM (TIIx5)
I'm thrilled Chelsea is pregnant, but remain unsure whether she should be punished by this pregnancy. Well, what difference does it make now?
Posted by: Rodham the Scrunt at April 18, 2014 03:43 PM (nQjHM)
That is where stupidity comes in.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 18, 2014 03:35 PM (uhAkr)
Well, I somewhat disagree. Not with the small group/decisions comment.
Have you ever been to a sports game? Football, baseball, etc?
Put a handful of people in close proximity and they'll instantly form tribes. Normally good people will do crazy things in static with other people.
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 03:43 PM (x3YFz)
The next step for the L.A Sheriffs Dept. is to get family, friends, neighbors to inform on each other.
Posted by: Stasi at April 18, 2014 03:43 PM (mETGQ)
Posted by: Darth02 at April 18, 2014 03:44 PM (NmLjr)
Posted by: Stasi at April 18, 2014 03:43 PM (mETGQ)
If you see something, say something!
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 03:45 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: troyriser at April 18, 2014 03:38 PM (2jF2B)
Don't you mean Workplace Violence, a Youtube Video Protest, or two dreamy teenaged lads striking out at intolerance in America?
Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2014 03:45 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 03:45 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 18, 2014 03:45 PM (rDidD)
Silly! How would they get votes or stop drugs, thereby cutting off funding for a bunch of ineffective agencies?!
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 03:46 PM (x3YFz)
All those government guys with their fancy uniforms and guns and gear may have been ready to kill, but they damn sure weren't ready to die when faced by fed-up Americans who were.
YMMV
Posted by: Sharkman at April 18, 2014 03:50 PM (SvDMt)
What's the point? Now *that* is a no-job-satisfaction career if there ever was one. They showed lab techs in clean gear looking through microscopes with furrowed brows. I literally laughed.
Beyond "yup. Bullets. Dead people." Why bother?
This is the equivalent of our ICE. But don't bring a grape from Canada into the country, by God!
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 03:50 PM (x3YFz)
Extremity in the name of paranoid cops is no vice
Posted by: Sheriff Lee Baca at April 18, 2014 03:50 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Roadrunner at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (Fd8YL)
Has to be said over and over to many conservatives, who think cops are "natural conservatives"...
Cops... Are... Not... Your ... Friends
Posted by: Sheriff Lee Baca at April 18, 2014 03:54 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Tree of Liberty at April 18, 2014 03:54 PM (P8oOy)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2014 03:56 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: random thought generator at April 18, 2014 03:58 PM (uYUVu)
What could go wrong
Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2014 03:56 PM (aTXUx)
Who has ever seen a postal employee with a gun...ok, beyond the obvious answer?
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 03:58 PM (x3YFz)
What y'all don't know about this area is a LOT. Note that Baldi and I are not leadingyour parade, and we live and work there.
Since avast numberof people living there are criminals, why would you expect them to approve of a more effective policing method?
I'm not endorsing the method. But I sure understand better why it's around. These people can't leave their cars on the street overnight and expect their batteries and catalytic convertors to be there in the morning. Good honest working people in this neighborhood are not only hostages, they have to pay for it through their taxes as well.
Posted by: Witness at April 18, 2014 04:01 PM (b7yum)
Paraphrasing Mark Twain, "The IQ of a mob is the IQ of the dumbest person present in the mob divided by the number of people in the mob."
If you substitute group or bureaucracy for mob, you get an idea of how bad off we are.
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 18, 2014 04:04 PM (o3MSL)
260 Lotsa decent people in this neighborhood the cops are the best friends they've got.
Crime is not an abstraction to these people
Posted by: Witness at April 18, 2014 04:05 PM (b7yum)
Not to be outdone, apparently NOAA asked for $400,000 worth of hollow point ammo.
I guess that NOAA needs this to keep the climate change deniers at bay in case they want to see the raw temperature data (which should of course be on-line and freely available to the public).
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 18, 2014 04:07 PM (o3MSL)
The weaker the government, the safer its citizens!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 18, 2014 04:09 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 18, 2014 04:07 PM (o3MSL)
I get that some govt buildings need security, but don't they contract that out to private firms?
And the postal service thing?
"sir, you need another stamp."
"Oh... I was...."
/draws pistol "KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM!"
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 04:11 PM (x3YFz)
OK, so on this thread supposedly rational people have asserted that no government should have any secrets from anybody in that municipality, and that there is a 4th amendment right to privacy in public places. And I'm the only one who noticed, or at least said anything.
Out of touch and delusional don't begin to begin to describe it. Easy to lose elections when you're a citizen of fantasyland.
Posted by: Witness at April 18, 2014 04:20 PM (b7yum)
Posted by: joe dagostino at April 18, 2014 04:21 PM (5vRRq)
Posted by: Witness at April 18, 2014 04:20 PM (b7yum)
Whereas you have the market cornered on "condescending douchebag."
Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 04:23 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: pissantinPeroria at April 18, 2014 04:26 PM (wjASS)
Posted by: Dales at April 18, 2014 04:28 PM (D1KMj)
Posted by: DaveA at April 18, 2014 04:28 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Null at April 18, 2014 04:29 PM (DuH+r)
273 Fuck off Tango I don't need that shit from you. You're trying to quiet the voice of one of the only two people you know who actually live and/or work in the community being discussed. A scientist would value objective experience over abstract theorizing. Well, a scientist would.
To put it in terms even you could understand the abstraction of this argument varies inversely with the proximity to this community.
Of course you don't attempt to refute the argument, you just try to establish your place in the clique to which you aspire here. So sad to see.
I've read your posts here for many months and thought you were way better than that. Still do.
I hear TARGET and LIQUOR STORES also have secret cameras that they don't tell everyone about.Do you giveup your 4th amendment rights at the Walmart door??? Where's the protest?
Use your training and try to think up a reasonable and practical HYPOTHESIS about how to create an environment where your abstract right to privacy is balanced somewhat with these poor people's rights to have a way to get to work in the morning. Or do they have such rights???
And you can back off fucking with me, or suffer the awkwardness of learning the immense volume of the box of dicks I welcome you to dine upon.
Posted by: Witness at April 18, 2014 04:50 PM (b7yum)
U.S. Attorney’s Office
February 07, 2014
Central District of California
(213) 894-2434
LOS ANGELES—Two Los Angeles Sheriff’s deputies who were assigned to the Men’s Central Jail have been indicted on federal civil rights charges that accuse them of illegally using force against an inmate and then attempting to cover up the incident with false reports that formed the basis of a false prosecution initiated against the victim.
Posted by: OK, thanks, bye, old sock at April 18, 2014 05:11 PM (uopHF)
The wrong type of people have reached critical mass in positions of power. There's just not enough energy (admit it, you're just...tired... at the end of the day) to get a lynch mob together and clean house.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at April 18, 2014 05:16 PM (yIzT2)
Near-infinite money enables near-infinite government in the form of surveillance, bureaucracy, laws and enforcement.
When the States finally call an Article V convention to consider amendments to the Constitution, the first one must be to find ways to place strict limits on government's ability to spend more money than it takes in, and certainly to restrict its ability to create money out of thin air.
In order to pay for near both bureaucracy, benefits and wars, we are not only consuming more money than taxpayers can pay, but consuming the ability of generations yet unaborted to pay the perpetual interest. This is crazy and certainly "unsustainable", a concept the left loves to scold us about, at least when it comes to the environment.
Posted by: theBuckwheat at April 18, 2014 05:50 PM (nmcha)
Posted by: Supreme Being at April 18, 2014 07:54 PM (UDPvg)
We are a land of arrogant and ignorant idol-worshippers. Every last one of us.
We created this hell. Every last one of us.
There is no political or legal hope. We are like a plane 5000 feet in the air with an engine that just exploded; we are in the state of free-fall between engine failure and the fiery crash below. How long is the free fall? Who knows? It could be 10 months or 10 years, but there is no fixing it. We are a modern-day Babylon, and just like Belshazzar, we see the writing on the wall.
You want salvation? Repent of your sins and turn to Jesus Christ. That was always the only exit anyway.
But your nation as you know it is gone.
Posted by: chuckles mcgee at April 19, 2014 12:31 AM (RWOcS)
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