Gabe's Favorite Obamacare Challenge Now Being Argued in the DC Circuit Court

If you don't remember, these cases concern the language of Obamacare, which states that federal tax credits and subsidies are available to those who purchase insurance in a health insurance exchange "established by a state under section 1311" of Obamacare.

But most states have not established state exchanges. In most states, Obamacare exists (to the extent it exists at all) as a federal insurance market. So tax credits and subsidies should not be available for such plans.

And further, section 1311 concerns the state exchanges. So the law does seem to restrict the subsidies/credits boondoggle only to state exchanges -- if we care about the law anymore, which Obama, like, doesn't.

A district court already ruled on this point in Obama's favor, back in January. Then, a Clinton appointee stated that the words of Obamacare were "clear" and "unambiguous" -- and clearly and unambiguously meant something other than they said. The lower court ruled that, get this, when Congress said subsidies would be available for polices bought on the state exchanges, they "clearly" and "unambiguously" meant "the state and/or federal exchanges."

Powerline links a digest of oral arguments on this point in the DC Circuit of Appeals (and there are, I think, three other identical challenges in other federal courts). In the DC circuit, at least, the judges (two Republican appointees and one Democratic one) seem skeptical of the government's argument that words are stupid things.

The Democratic judge (a Carter appointee) resorted to very weak arguments to justify letting the Obama Administration "interpret" the law to mean something other than the words actually say:

At one point, Judge Edwards claimed that because the statute was entitled the “Affordable” Care Act, the court should construe it so care would be affordable.

Apparently the government's arguments boiled down to these:

1) Come on, you can't strike this down, "everyone knows" what they meant, even if they didn't actually write it

2) No seriously "everyone knows" what they meant

Now, NRO's Bench Memos thinks (based on the judges' questioning) that we'll win here. However...

A 2-1 panel decision seems likely, with Judges Griffith and Randolph firmly in favor of applying the plain meaning, and with Judge Edwards against the plain meaning. If the appellants win and the court declares the regulation ultra vires, the government would likely petition for en banc rehearing to the newly-packed D.C. Circuit to delay or reverse the effect of the panel’s decision.

Yes, now that the DC Circuit is packed with Obama appointees, an en banc review would probably go against us.

And then on to the Supreme Court.

If you're interested in this case, the DC Circuit has posted audio of the oral arguments.

Posted by: Ace at 06:16 PM

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1 Fresh, non musty thread.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:17 PM (ojnk6)

2
Who helped you smelly people on how to use the internet?

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 26, 2014 06:19 PM (mETGQ)

3 For a dude that needs a break , you sure keep getting sucked back in .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 26, 2014 06:19 PM (XWw96)

4 Fresh, non musty thread.

Don't worry, Cochran will be here in a second.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2014 06:19 PM (yz6yg)

5 Words mean what we say they mean, you peasants.

Posted by: Arbitrary rule by unelected black-robed assholes at March 26, 2014 06:20 PM (ZPrif)

6 Why won't they just let him be clear?

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 06:21 PM (LRUhQ)

7 Words mean what we say they mean, you peasants.

This is why there are lampposts and rope.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2014 06:21 PM (yz6yg)

8 Equal treatment under the law is anything but....

Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2014 06:22 PM (b1/nQ)

9 4
Well, it was nice while it lasted...

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:22 PM (ojnk6)

10 The Ministry of Truth will get right on this.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 06:22 PM (LRUhQ)

11 ultra vires

I have two of those. Most of the lesser vires too.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 26, 2014 06:22 PM (45N4D)

12 7
Some assembly required.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:22 PM (ojnk6)

13 NSA PR interviews on FoxNews.
Interesting.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 26, 2014 06:22 PM (ZPrif)

14
"...And then on to the Supreme Court."

Think I spotted the flaw in this cunning plan.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 26, 2014 06:22 PM (kdS6q)

15 I've been drinking all day long. Did I really just read that "purchased on the state exchanges" really means "state or federal exchange"? I'm obviously drunk.

Posted by: Secret Service at March 26, 2014 06:23 PM (LISuA)

16 NSA control room looks like an uglier version of Team Action Shep.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 26, 2014 06:23 PM (ZPrif)

17 "I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' "

"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

And kiss my ass Bannion. If anyone's musty, it's your "experienced" self.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:23 PM (GEICT)

18 The SCOTUS is as corrupt as every other branch and entity of the Federal Government.

Article V Convention. Abolish the current Federal Government and start over.

Before it's too late.

Oh, wait, it may already be too late.

Still . . .

Posted by: filbert at March 26, 2014 06:24 PM (roTS7)

19 Nice touch by the NSA PR team, have FoxNews running on one of their screens on the big board.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 26, 2014 06:24 PM (ZPrif)

20 Why its almost like FAG has infiltrated our legal system!

Posted by: Team America, World Police at March 26, 2014 06:24 PM (LISuA)

21 And kiss my ass Bannion. If anyone's musty, it's your "experienced" self.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:23 PM (GEICT)

It's not "musty" it's "yeasty"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2014 06:24 PM (yz6yg)

22 15
I wish they would just publish the Newspeak dictionary. This all gets confusing. Alternately, I could always go with "everything that guy just said is bullshit!"

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:24 PM (ojnk6)

23 This is interesting. NSA trying to sell itself to FoxNews viewers. Please don't hate us!

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 26, 2014 06:25 PM (ZPrif)

24 16 - Yes but I bet it cost 10x as much and is less effective at gathering info then the Shep desk.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 26, 2014 06:25 PM (0kElg)

25 A $700 Billion tax cut would be nice. I think that we could actually win this in the Scotus. Roberts upheld Obamacare but rejected a Medicaid expansion. This seems like another thing that could damage the law severely but not make the administration seem like a rallying cry for the liberals. I also think the birth control mandate is going to die as well.

Posted by: Naes1984 at March 26, 2014 06:25 PM (LiHKo)

26 Ace , the only oral arguments you should be worried about are " That was nice , my turn . ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 26, 2014 06:26 PM (XWw96)

27 Not that impressive seeing this behind the scenes. NSA nerve center looks like ... a cable TV newsroom.

And it appears the NSA monitors things the same way other news junkies do -- watching cable news and reading twitter.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 26, 2014 06:26 PM (ZPrif)

28 It's not "musty" it's "yeasty"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2014 06:24 PM (yz6yg)

http://youtu.be/q8-1vRIXn38

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:27 PM (GEICT)

29 If we started using bill names to interpret legislative text...

Listen, someone else point out the stupidity of this.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:27 PM (HDwDg)

30 You would think that after a $2500 savings, a 3000% decrease in your insurance premiums and free condoms to fuck Sandra Fluke with, we'd be thanking him.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 06:27 PM (LRUhQ)

31 Words. Just words.

Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2014 06:28 PM (VZ4v0)

32 NSA is obviously only doing this cause of the PR hit they've taken.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 26, 2014 06:28 PM (ZPrif)

33 Video of the court as they made the initial decision is now available.

http://bit.ly/1ln5SA1

Posted by: MTF at March 26, 2014 06:28 PM (LISuA)

34 Gotta love judges ruling by political whim.

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 26, 2014 06:29 PM (GrtrJ)

35 If Obama had any self awareness at all, he'd star in one of those video compilations of guilty looking dogs.

Posted by: pep at March 26, 2014 06:29 PM (4nR9/)

36 I think something bad just happened in Boston. All of a sudden all the Firefighters and Cops I know are posting funereal images and condolences.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 26, 2014 06:29 PM (ZshNr)

37
If the LIVs don't care about this, then it has zero political value.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 26, 2014 06:29 PM (nfBpn)

38 Wonder how far the NSA will take this.
6 months from now I'm half-expecting Jimmy Kimmel to do a live show from NSA HQ.

This really is a big, We're just like you, PR political blitz.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 26, 2014 06:29 PM (ZPrif)

39
"Now, NRO's Bench Memos thinks (based on the judges' questioning) that we'll win here."

NRO Bench Memos - My Prediction on Tomorrow’s Obamacare Ruling

I’ve abstained up until now from making any predictions on how the Obamacare cases will be decided. But I’m now ready to offer my own reading of the tea leaves. Specifically, the fact that Justice Scalia read his dissent from the bench in the Arizona immigration case leads me to believe that the Court will invalidate the individual mandate by a 5-4 vote.

By Ed Whelan June 27, 2012

Ooooo -- so close!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 26, 2014 06:30 PM (kdS6q)

40 34
And finding words in laws that they like that were never put into said law.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:30 PM (ojnk6)

41 In a world where the Executive can illegally take money appropriated by Congress for one specific thing, and move it into another spending category, we're beyond the Constitutional era.

"Power of the Purse? snerk!" --Obama

At least most Dictators try to maintain a level of respectable adherence to law.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2014 06:30 PM (44jNh)

42 But judges are non-partisan and immune to political pressure. Surely they'll interpret the law in the strictest, most unbiased possible way. I mean, they went to school and everything.

Posted by: Third Branch Deferent at March 26, 2014 06:30 PM (1CroS)

43 Still kinda neat to see any behind the scenes stuff at all from NSA, since it was so secret for so long. Sure, this is stage managed for FoxNews, but still interesting.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 26, 2014 06:30 PM (ZPrif)

44 Posted by: Lincolntf at March 26, 2014 06:29 PM (ZshNr)

Huge fire in the Back Bay. Nine alarms.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (QFxY5)

45 Off topic (sorry Ace) deliciousness:

A California Senate Democrat and virulently anti-gun activist has just been implicated by the FBI in ... wait for it ... an arms trafficking ring.

Oh yes.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/n5vueot

Posted by: SGT. York at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (pQHpn)

46 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:27 PM (GEICT)

If you only knew how close that movie was to reality in depicting Rhode Island State Troopers.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (yz6yg)

47 36 I think something bad just happened in Boston. All of a sudden all the Firefighters and Cops I know are posting funereal images and condolences.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 26, 2014 06:29 PM (ZshNr)

Two firefighters killed.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (GEICT)

48 36
Big fire in Back Bay, right behind Fenway.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (ojnk6)

49 garrett ,
I meant to ask yesterday , got olives ? Specifically the Beaverhead .

Trying to plan a trip to hit rising fish .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (XWw96)

50 We're just like you, PR political blitz

we're not witches. we're you

Posted by: that 70s earworm at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (KgN8K)

51 "45 Off topic (sorry Ace) deliciousness:
A California Senate Democrat and virulently anti-gun activist has just been implicated by the FBI in ... wait for it ... an arms trafficking ring.
Oh yes.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/n5vueot"

So he's really trying to monopolize his competitors out of the market?

Posted by: Naes1984 at March 26, 2014 06:32 PM (LiHKo)

52 Can't we just take obama to court for being an asshole and liar?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 26, 2014 06:33 PM (nzKvP)

53 Two firefighters killed.
Posted by: BCochran1981

Aw crap.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2014 06:33 PM (b1/nQ)

54 52
The rest of D.C. would have to go with him to Court.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (ojnk6)

55 Shit.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (ZshNr)

56 "The Democratic judge (a Carter appointee) resorted to very weak
arguments to justify letting the Obama Administration 'interpret' the
law to mean something other than the words actually say"

Ah. Yes. Well then. On the subject of Clinton judges, Carter judges, and Obama judges, I have this for you:

The other day, out here in Commiefornia, a fed judge for the Ninth Circus ruled against parties who were appealing some particularly onerous local gun control laws in Scum Scamfrisco.

The judge in question said that it was in no sense an infringement of Second Amendment rights, and was perfectly consistent with recent SCOTUS case law such as _Heller_, for the city of SF to be able to mandate locked gun safes for home storage of firearms, and to be able to ban hollowpoint ammo.

I said immediately upon reading this, "CCO?"

Meaning, "Carter, Clinton, or Obama?" My success rate in spotting progtard judges is high, but I can rarely tell which Democrat appointed them. So, since I hadn't seen this judge's name before (I know a few of the Ninth Circus regulars by name), I went to look her up. Sandra Segal Ikuta.

So, appointed by which liberal Democrat was she? By... GEORGE W. BUSH.

In 2006. Before the Democrats took back the House that fall. So these are the poisoned fruits of having GOP control of the House, the Senate and the White House: gun-banning left-wing loonball judges like Ikuta unanimously confirmed to lifetime federal bench seats. Yay. I guess.

I can't tell you how thrilled I am to be voting Republican this fall. That is, I very literally can't tell you how thrilled I am at that thought, because I'm not thrilled at all. I'm just depressed at the thought of more of the same establishment Republican pigfuckery.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (noWW6)

57 "state exchanges" == "state and/or federal exchanges"

Now is that an penumbra or an emanation? I get those two confused.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (1CroS)

58 Elections have consequences... Remember that next time a Candidate isn't pure enough like Romney... See: DC Court appointees under O...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (9+ccr)

59 Gotta love judges ruling by political whim.
Posted by: DangerGirl at March 26, 2014 06:29 PM (GrtrJ)

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I think calling them judges is way too judgemental. I propose "conflict management specialists". And we can extort and/or bribe them. Nothing political.

Posted by: oona at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (VZ4v0)

60 Now is that an penumbra or an emanation? I get those two confused.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (1CroS)

Emanation of a penumbra.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:35 PM (GEICT)

61 Democrat appointed judges are just like all Democrats, serial liars. They do not give a shit what the law or the Constitution says.

Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2014 06:35 PM (T2V/1)

62 http://is.gd/HAydQj

mentioned awhile back. this is a cluborlov post about Russian views of the USA at present. I think fairly persuasive.

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 26, 2014 06:35 PM (KgN8K)

63 Stupid fucking delete button

Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2014 06:35 PM (VZ4v0)

64
A California Senate Democrat and virulently anti-gun activist has just been implicated by the FBI in ... wait for it ... an arms trafficking ring.
Posted by: SGT. York

California State Senator Leland Yee, a Democrat representing San Francisco, was arrested Wednesday by the Justice Department in an apparent sting that involves a famous Chinatown criminal, local media report. Yee and Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow were arrested Wednesday...

"Shrimp Boy"? Not exactly the most intimidating moniker.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 26, 2014 06:36 PM (kdS6q)

65 You'd almost think this law was passed in a really big hurry before the next congress was seated without anyone really reading it first.

Almost.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 26, 2014 06:36 PM (8MjqI)

66 Wow- 2 fire fighters are dead in that Boston Fire. Terrible

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 26, 2014 06:37 PM (nzKvP)

67 Animation of a Pudenda

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 26, 2014 06:37 PM (KgN8K)

68 I meant to ask yesterday , got olives ? Specifically the Beaverhead .

Saw the first March Brown hatch, today. Skwalas are out in limited numbers, but he fish are starting to look for them. Capnia and Nemora are also crawling out.
Midge activity has been great, anytime from now until high water hits should see good dry fly opportunities on the Beaverhead for about 3-5 hours a day. Varying conditions will have less affect there than on the freestones.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 06:37 PM (LRUhQ)

69 A California Senate Democrat and virulently anti-gun activist has just been implicated by the FBI in ... wait for it ... an arms trafficking ring.

First, create monopoly
Then….profit!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 26, 2014 06:37 PM (yz6yg)

70 Off topic (sorry Ace) deliciousness:

A California Senate Democrat and virulently anti-gun activist has just been implicated by the FBI in ... wait for it ... an arms trafficking ring.

-
I'm sure it is just a simple misunderstanding.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 26, 2014 06:37 PM (XUKZU)

71 I can not respond to this I am still washing the stink off me from that IRS comish testimony today..
In Holyweird this guy is straight out of central casting for smarmy evil guy...

Posted by: 7 Days in May at March 26, 2014 06:37 PM (WYUAi)

72 Emanation of a penumbra.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:35 PM (GEICT)

No no, it's emanations of a penumbra of interpreted legislative intent.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:38 PM (HDwDg)

73 "Shrimp Boy"? Not exactly the most intimidating moniker.

It also raises a lot of interesting questions.

1. Did he sell shrimp?
2. Did he smell like shrimp?
3. Was he a big guy, ironically named?
4. Did he have great big eyes and little tiny arms?

Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2014 06:39 PM (44jNh)

74 Words matter. Sometimes.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 26, 2014 06:39 PM (A98Xu)

75 No no, it's emanations of a penumbra of interpreted legislative intent.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:38 PM (HDwDg)

Thanks for reminding me.

That is still the stupidest piece of drivel ever uttered by any legal authority.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:39 PM (GEICT)

76 effect, not affect

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 06:40 PM (LRUhQ)

77 It also raises a lot of interesting questions.

1. Did he sell shrimp?
2. Did he smell like shrimp?
3. Was he a big guy, ironically named?
4. Did he have great big eyes and little tiny arms?

Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2014 06:39 PM (44jNh)

Maybe he ground people up and mixed them into shrimp bait?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:40 PM (GEICT)

78 A California Senate Democrat and virulently anti-gun activist has just
been implicated by the FBI in ... wait for it ... an arms trafficking
ring.\

An anti-gun arms trafficker? What??? Democrats make no sense at all.

That's like a vegan butcher.

Posted by: EC at March 26, 2014 06:40 PM (doBIb)

79 The government talks like a fag and their shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 26, 2014 06:40 PM (JQuNB)

80 No no, it's emanations of a penumbra of interpreted legislative intent.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:38 PM (HDwDg)

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Ah. Okay. It all makes sense now.

Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2014 06:40 PM (VZ4v0)

81 Well the Constitution is a "Living" Document according to some... You know those old White Guys didn't mean for it to be taken seriously don't you?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at March 26, 2014 06:41 PM (9+ccr)

82 I've got emanations of a penumbra coming out my ass.

Posted by: EC at March 26, 2014 06:41 PM (doBIb)

83 82 I've got emanations of a penumbra coming out my ass.

Posted by: EC at March 26, 2014 06:41 PM (doBIb)

Might wanna get that checked out.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:42 PM (GEICT)

84 I've got emanations of a penumbra coming out my ass.

Touching cloth?

Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2014 06:42 PM (44jNh)

85
Might wanna get that checked out.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:42 PM (GEICT)

Wife refuses to sleep with me.

Posted by: EC at March 26, 2014 06:42 PM (doBIb)

86 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:39 PM (GEICT)

I'm just making shit up you know.

At least I hope you know that.

I may have accidently hit upon a Legal variant of Poe's law.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:42 PM (HDwDg)

87 Obama Exempts Illegals From Immigration Laws Unless They Have A Criminal Conviction…

Because he’s Obama, that’s why.

Via NRO:

A little-known Department of Homeland Security (DHS) directive from 2012 has dramatically altered the enforcement of immigration laws by shielding most illegal immigrants without separate criminal convictions from deportation.

Data from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), reviewed by the office of Senator Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.), indicate that the “DHS has blocked the enforcement of immigration law for the overwhelming majority of violations — and is planning to widen that amnesty even further.”

Talk about taking obama to Court: Hey what about this!
What is he? A law unto himself?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 26, 2014 06:42 PM (nzKvP)

88 I've got emanations of a penumbra coming out my ass.

That happens to me when I sneeze.

Posted by: Abr Vigoda, still alive! at March 26, 2014 06:43 PM (LRUhQ)

89 81 Well the Constitution is a "Living" Document according to some... You know those old White Guys didn't mean for it to be taken seriously don't you?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at March 26, 2014 06:41 PM (9+ccr)

http://tinyurl.com/lgcwn2z

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:43 PM (GEICT)

90 http://tinyurl.com/lgcwn2z

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:43 PM (GEICT)

Perfect!

Posted by: EC at March 26, 2014 06:44 PM (doBIb)

91 March Browns today ? Before the baetis ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 26, 2014 06:44 PM (XWw96)

92 It's a tax!

Posted by: Chief Justice John "It's a tax!" Roberts at March 26, 2014 06:44 PM (sOtz/)

93 We all need to wait to see how the East German judge rules on this.

Posted by: Roy at March 26, 2014 06:44 PM (tiOTz)

94 I'm just making shit up you know.

At least I hope you know that.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:42 PM (HDwDg)

What you said was almost exactly the rationale used by SCOTUS in Roe v Wade.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:45 PM (GEICT)

95 <<"Shrimp Boy"? Not exactly the most intimidating moniker.>>

Tue, but he rose to power by eliminating the heads of the five families;

Bill "Bad Tempura" Yun
Bruce "Dumpling Boy" Hung
Fred "Sizzling Rice" Kwok
Benny "Stop Calling Me" Fat
and Carl "That's Just" Wong

although rumors persist (mostly in the trucking community) the real head of the cartel is David Lo Pan.

Posted by: SGT. York at March 26, 2014 06:45 PM (pQHpn)

96 if you wear houndstooth check pants nobody will notice your emanation ass thinger

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 26, 2014 06:45 PM (KgN8K)

97
What do you know, "Shrimp Boy" twitter pics and such. So much for keeping a low profile:

http://tinyurl.com/nbhn9zn

And he dresses like -- well -- a shrimp boy, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 26, 2014 06:45 PM (kdS6q)

98 March Browns today ? Before the baetis ?
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 26, 2014 06:44 PM (XWw96)

---------------------------------------------

Ah. Okay. It all makes sense now.

Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2014 06:45 PM (VZ4v0)

99
The essence of lawlessness - this arbitrary and whimsical contempt for language and readiness to legislate from the bench.

Not to mention the completely alien mindset, devoid of the slightest adherence to American constitutional principles or spirit, that dominates what are euphemistically called "liberal" judges.

Of all the collapsed institutions, the judiciary is perhaps the fatal one for a lawful, fair, free society as America was meant to be (and was, imperfectly, for most of its citizens for most of its history).

And while I appreciate the diligence and the verbal intelligence that goes into it, this whole sub-culture of forecasting/dissecting/sports-talking what Justice X will do or Justice Y just said - folks, the constitutional system was never meant to be a taffy-yanking exercise for mediocre minds. The language was clear. All of these factitious false categories and analytical frameworks ("rational basis" "strict scrutiny" and on and on) are sophomore term-paper bullshit. Just address the clear meaning of language,just do your job. And stay the hell out of things that aren't your job.

The constitution is very much a dead letter, from its structure of divided govt. authority to its explicit limits on fed. govt. power. As with the economy and much else, we're living on fumes/inertia - and as with the economy, the prior accomplishments were so huge that the present degradation is hard to appreciate.

The "judiciary" has just as much power as that scowling Soviet border guard there at passport control - and just as little legitimacy or respect. Nice job, "America"!

Posted by: non-purist at March 26, 2014 06:46 PM (afQnV)

100 That universe panorama thingy on the sidebar is pretty cool. Check it out.

Posted by: EC at March 26, 2014 06:46 PM (doBIb)

101

We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at March 26, 2014 06:46 PM (kFxpe)

102 I'd prefer poling for everyone in DC.

Run the gauntlet being whacked with 12' bamboo or
Ridden out of town on a rail (insert Biden Joke here) or
Sent on a wooden raft down the Potomac.

Posted by: DaveA at March 26, 2014 06:47 PM (DL2i+)

103 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:45 PM (GEICT)

Yeah well all I did was set my bullshit generator to "Bad Post-Modern Philosophy with legal veneer"

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:47 PM (HDwDg)

104

Obamacare is not the hill to fight on

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 26, 2014 06:47 PM (kFxpe)

105 101 he's never there, John

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 26, 2014 06:47 PM (b/H9U)

106 EC ,
We're talking mayflies ....... In code .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 26, 2014 06:48 PM (XWw96)

107 March Browns today ? Before the baetis ?

Oh, it's goofy right now. I am sure this was an isolated hatch.
The channel I was in is loaded with springs and the temp is about 5 degrees warmer than the main stem.
There was a flurry of March Browns that came off just before a little rain squall. Surprised the shit out of me.
There were a couple few baetis coming off, too. The water temps have been too low for any good mayflies to be popping. Another few days without rain and we might get there.
But the fish wanted the midge, today. And/or the Stonefly.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 06:48 PM (LRUhQ)

108 Eh?

Posted by: EC at March 26, 2014 06:50 PM (doBIb)

109 Yes, Yee is my very own state senator. Big time gun grabber now up on gun running charges.

Posted by: navybrat at March 26, 2014 06:50 PM (JgC5a)

110 <<What do you know, "Shrimp Boy" twitter pics and such. So much for keeping a low profile>>

His pics totally shatter my preconceptions of what a gangster looks like...

...also check out the slammin hottie in the left side of the pic with Vernon Davis at the Capitol. That just screams "Business Suit".

Posted by: SGT. York at March 26, 2014 06:51 PM (pQHpn)

111 ...also check out the slammin hottie in the left side of the pic with
Vernon Davis at the Capitol. That just screams "Business Suit".

Hooker.

Posted by: EC at March 26, 2014 06:51 PM (doBIb)

112 ^

Posted by: SGT. York at March 26, 2014 06:52 PM (pQHpn)

113 What do you know, "Shrimp Boy" twitter pics and such. So much for keeping a low profile:

Looks at cheesy pictures.
Looks at arrest record including assault with a deadly weapon, prostitution, drugs, mayhem, weapons charges, robbery, racketeering.
Hmm, the world is a wacky place.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2014 06:52 PM (45N4D)

114
"Courts" and "justices" issuing opinions as laughable as azany dictator's decrees from a Woody Allen movie (Bananas).

The fucking Attorney General of the US cheering on states' attorneys generalwho flagrantly violate their oaths by refusing, on their own whim or taste,to defend state laws in court.

The executive branch contemptuously disregarding law by refusing to enforce it (immigration), or flagrantly violating it through direct action (IRS political harassment, EPA/eco-idiot scam settlement cases, on and on).

The Congress not even following the minimal requirements for budgeting, or even for use of its own enacted procedures (O-care on a reconciliation vehicle).

We're not a Third World country yet, but the crucial aspect: it's a matter of degree, not kind, at this point.

Posted by: non-purist at March 26, 2014 06:54 PM (afQnV)

115 Of all the court challenges, to me this one is the strongest. There is absolutely zero room for interpertation if we're a nation of laws and not of men.

If eventually this goes to the Supreme Court and the "c'mon, you know what we meant, Obama needs this" excuse wins the day, we're even more of a Banana Republic than most 3rd world countries.

Posted by: McAdams at March 26, 2014 06:54 PM (IkH8H)

116 If the anti-ACA side has not tapped the SCROTUS personnel files it is all ultimately just a bread-and-circuses sideshow for the rubes...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, Lipstick Lesbian Extra-System Emmigration Health Inspector & Purity Commissar at March 26, 2014 06:54 PM (vHRtU)

117 A California Senate Democrat and virulently anti-gun activist has just been implicated by the FBI in ... wait for it ... an arms trafficking ring.

Posted by: SGT. York at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (pQHpn) fnord (pQHpn)

Geeze, I just get here and now I have to go watch Calguns explode.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 26, 2014 06:54 PM (qyfb5)

118 Garrett ,
You were fishing the Beaverhead today ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 26, 2014 06:54 PM (XWw96)

119 An asian gangster with a John Waters mustache in a Canadian tuxedo.

The fuck just happened?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2014 06:54 PM (GEICT)

120 Bitterroot.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 06:55 PM (LRUhQ)

121 Posted by: McAdams at March 26, 2014 06:54 PM (IkH8H)

I actually suspect worse.

I suspect we'll get "sorry, we can't stop what's already in motion."

Setting a new precedent, of "act first, because the court can't stop the rolling snowball."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:56 PM (HDwDg)

122 Damn Scandi Rats.

*nice pelt though*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at March 26, 2014 06:57 PM (JS0vr)

123 Garrett, BR Wilderness Area?

Tell me more I am job hunting in the area...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, Lipstick Lesbian Extra-System Emmigration Health Inspector & Purity Commissar at March 26, 2014 06:57 PM (vHRtU)

124 OT: Since we're over 100... Twitter stock in free fall. Wow, that was tough to see coming with their valuation.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:58 PM (ojnk6)

125 Actually I'll modify this a bit more, even if this gets overturned the dems will push even harder for a states to set up exchanges now, claiming it's all those "intransigent republicans fault"

Even though my state voted 2:1 on a ballot initiative to not establish an exchange. Actually it made establishing an exchange illegal, because we're hard core.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:59 PM (HDwDg)

126 Bitterroot ,
You get around . Makes the skwala's understandable .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 26, 2014 06:59 PM (XWw96)

127 Let me be clear and unambiguous. Period

But what I meant to say was..., something different.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 26, 2014 07:00 PM (aDwsi)

128 OT: Since we're over 100... Twitter stock in free fall. Wow, that was tough to see coming with their valuation. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 06:58 PM (ojnk6) __________________I know a lot of people here really like Twitter. I still don't get it. I think that, like facebook, the twitter thing will crap out as the short attention span generation runs to the "next" thing.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 26, 2014 07:00 PM (jucos)

129
McAdams, I respectfully submit that we're already past the point you mention. There are any number of "rulings" that have beclowned the country and its institutions - doing the obvious thing with a 2nd bite at O-care won't change the general picture. And there will be 4 "justices" supporting the indefensible, idiotic and laughable position that is defeated. Just think about that.

There are probably perfectly sound mundane rulings every week of the year, in various courts at various levels. But no matter -on major issues, where it matters most and defines the system - there is lawlessness and very much a Third World lack of standards or American mindset.

Posted by: non-purist at March 26, 2014 07:00 PM (afQnV)

130 Huh.

CBS just told me the mayor of Charlotte just got busted for taking bribes and stuff. He apparently does not belong to any political party whatsoever.

That's pretty weird, right?

Posted by: Jaws at March 26, 2014 07:01 PM (Rbtz3)

131 Oh puh-leeeease.

The "law" and the courts mean nothing now.

It is whatever they say it is. I am surprised they still continue with the charade.

Posted by: drill_thrawl at March 26, 2014 07:01 PM (rdiUQ)

132 From the sidebar:

They knew something was wrong when the cat wouldn't go into the kitchen.

"We're gonna need a bigger cat."

Posted by: rickl at March 26, 2014 07:01 PM (sdi6R)

133 128
I don't tweet, but can see the attraction. They just IPOd it at way too high of a valuation.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 07:01 PM (ojnk6)

134 You were fishing the Beaverhead today ?
-------------

Try that on the ONT, and see what happens. It's like me mentioning the French Broad...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 26, 2014 07:02 PM (aDwsi)

135 Didn't a RI politico get busted over the weekend for high crimes and misdemeanors?

Plus Who Fuk Me An Al? in Commiefornia?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, Lipstick Lesbian Extra-System Emmigration Health Inspector & Purity Commissar at March 26, 2014 07:02 PM (vHRtU)

136 Hmm. So perhaps --depending on whether Soros et al need to try to save Dems in congress by tossing aside ACA for now they may go back to Roberts and tell him to find against the ocare this time.

Posted by: PaleRider, tips back tinfoil hat and rides into sunset. at March 26, 2014 07:04 PM (dUS+X)

137
7:05pm and still light out. Hate it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 26, 2014 07:04 PM (nfBpn)

138 I'm sure John Roberts can find a penumbra or two, probably under the Good-n-Plenty Clause, that the subsidies are actually a tax.

But seriously, once this goes to the DC Circuit Packed Court, it will be shot down. And that's bad if that is the version that the SC takes up later, as ties go to the appeals court ruling.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 26, 2014 07:04 PM (wNF3N)

139
Charlotte mayor, idiot authoritarian state senator in SF, both cuffed today.

Hmmm. I'm spitballing here - come on, bear with me - but imagine there were an opposition party, they might glom on to this trend line of two data points and attack the opposition for their corruption, hammer home the idea that there needs to be turnover in these virtually uncontested seats, that the Dems are corrupt, arrogant, and a menace to the country.

I'm not a gamer, but I guess this is the sort of fantasy stuff that drives that business. Is that right?

Posted by: non-purist at March 26, 2014 07:05 PM (afQnV)

140 Dem scandals are all local stories, not worth going into detail. An R closes a couple of lanes of a bridge in Jersey? That's plainly headline news for weeks.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 07:05 PM (ojnk6)

141 "Twitter stock in free fall."

Looking forward to Fuckwitbook stock regressing to a level actually congruent with its earnings. At maybe five percent of its present price.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 26, 2014 07:06 PM (noWW6)

142 OT: Bad day for some dems...

http://tinyurl.com/ldq97uz

http://tinyurl.com/kgxq3j8

http://tinyurl.com/kwm6mvn

Think of the links as a grab bag. One's a dem CA State Senator arrested for conspiracy to deal firearms, after writing gun control legislation. One's the dem mayor of Charlotte getting arrested for bribes and shit and one is for a dem NY assemblyman "abusing his travel voucher". That sounds kinky. No word on what the man was assembling.

It's starting to look like a scotch night...

Posted by: Dang at March 26, 2014 07:07 PM (MNq6o)

143 I think that, like facebook, the twitter thing will crap out as the short attention span generation runs to the "next" thing.

Unpossible.

Posted by: MySpace at March 26, 2014 07:08 PM (JQuNB)

144 Bitterroot, Montana - Poverty with a View. An awesome view.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 07:08 PM (Wz69H)

145 141
I actually made some money shorting FB right after the IPO. wasn't watching Twitter closely enough to do the same.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 07:08 PM (ojnk6)

146 Democrat politicians only get caught in scandal when another Democrat wants his position.

Posted by: Poli Sci 101 at March 26, 2014 07:09 PM (W5iHt)

147 I still don't get it. I think that, like facebook,
the twitter thing will crap out as the short attention span generation
runs to the "next" thing.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner

What's left? Grunting on the internet? Paging Anthony Weiner.

Posted by: pep at March 26, 2014 07:09 PM (4nR9/)

148 Weirdly, I feel a little sorry for the rat. Cruel death.

On the other hand, it is an analogy for Ex-Mayor Cannon (D) of Charlotte. Handcuffs, perp walk. Heart-warming image, that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 26, 2014 07:09 PM (aDwsi)

149 A California Senate Democrat and virulently anti-gun activist has just been implicated by the FBI in ... wait for it ... an arms trafficking ring.

Posted by: SGT. York at March 26, 2014 06:31 PM (pQHpn) fnord (pQHpn)

Geeze, I just get here and now I have to go watch Calguns explode.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 26, 2014 06:54 PM (qyfb5)

Not to mention that Charlotte, NC Democrat mayor was arrested today for accepting bribes. from undercover FBI agents...He was just elected this past fall. You'll have to google his name to find out that he is a Democrat or read the comments section. It isn't mentioned anywhere in CBS's article.

http://tinyurl.com/nurcys3

Posted by: Jen at March 26, 2014 07:09 PM (IdGqX)

150 I know a lot of people here really like Twitter. I still don't get it. I
think that, like facebook, the twitter thing will crap out as the short
attention span generation runs to the "next" thing.

At their core, the big ideas of Twitter and Facebook aren't going away any time soon. With Twitter you can get the latest information from people familiar or stranger. Depending on your interests you can bypass the media and get info directly from your sports team, or industry movers, or pundits, or whatever.

With Facebook it's more like your circle of familiar people.

Either one at its core is just an information pump. Twitter picks up information much faster and with more personalized filters than the news.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2014 07:10 PM (4QSOR)

151 O/T-But read it and weep. College students fall to name a single Senator. They don't even know how many Senators there are from each state. Great education system we have here:

http://tinyurl.com/opqldxf

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 26, 2014 07:10 PM (XyM/Y)

152 Garrett... hospitals in your area?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, Lipstick Lesbian Extra-System Emmigration Health Inspector & Purity Commissar at March 26, 2014 07:10 PM (vHRtU)

153 I know a lot of people here really like Twitter. I still don't get it. I think that, like facebook, the twitter thing will crap out as the short attention span generation runs to the "next" thing.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 26, 2014 07:00 PM (jucos)

------------------------------------------

I think the next big thing could be "Purge Place". Point out politicians and government employees that need to be purged. A case is made and an online vote taken. If the vote says "yes, this person needs to be purged" then all of the participants can, through PayPal, pay a minimum fee and have an anonymous contractor hired to, you know,........purge that person.

I'm thinking a bonanza of bucks here.

Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2014 07:11 PM (VZ4v0)

154 "Democrat politicians only get caught in scandal when another Democrat wants his position."

The Chinese subsystem of the Democratic machine in the San Francisco Bay Area (the same classic "Burton machine" which Pelosi inherited and still runs) is known for particularly vicious infighting.

Wonder who dropped the dime on Yee?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 26, 2014 07:12 PM (noWW6)

155 There are two in Missoula, and one in Hamilton (Marcus Daily).

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 07:12 PM (Wz69H)

156 Not to mention that Charlotte, NC Democrat mayor was
arrested today for accepting bribes. from undercover FBI agents...He
was just elected this past fall. You'll have to google his name to find
out that he is a Democrat or read the comments section. It isn't
mentioned anywhere in CBS's article.

http://tinyurl.com/nurcys3

Posted by: Jen at March 26, 2014 07:09 PM (IdGqX)

While you are googling, look at resigned Dem Gordon Fox of Rhode Island. Something is going on in Providence and no one is saying why.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 26, 2014 07:12 PM (baL2B)

157 Couple big Bio-Labs, too.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 07:12 PM (Wz69H)

158 Couple big Bio-Labs, too.Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 07:12 PM (Wz69H) _____________________Meth Trailers?

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 26, 2014 07:14 PM (jucos)

159 Is use of the word 'corruption' a microaggression, or a Dog Whistle? Just checking.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 26, 2014 07:15 PM (aDwsi)

160 159
Yes, if it's a Dem you're describing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 07:16 PM (ojnk6)

161 Lots of Meth Labs.

Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2014 07:16 PM (Wz69H)

162 Wonder who dropped the dime on Yee?

Someone earlier guessed this is payback for the Asian vote against a bill to officially reinstate student quotas in Cal Universities. The constituents knew what that meant for Asian students and tore their reps a new hole or two. The reps backed away from the bill faster than Pelosi from a Bible.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2014 07:17 PM (4QSOR)

163 151 --- And those college students are going to American University --- a hideously expensive school in Washington, DC.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 26, 2014 07:17 PM (dfYL9)

164 "state exchanges" == "state and/or federal exchanges"
Now is that an penumbra or an emanation? I get those two confused.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (1CroS)
___________________
Anon Drivel: On 2d thought, and in order to make ObamaCare even MORE affordable, I now see Congress actually meant:

"state exchanges" == "state and/or federal exchanges...as well as the International Monetary Fund."

I LIKE adding words to statutes that aren't there - simply because everybody is wrong except me.

Posted by: Judge (I Find The Law Not Interprwet It Edwards at March 26, 2014 07:17 PM (V0j3u)

165 I think that, like facebook, the twitter thing will crap out as the short attention span generation runs to the "next" thing.

Totes.

Posted by: Dang at March 26, 2014 07:19 PM (MNq6o)

166 Roberts will uphold Ocare no matter what. I suspect O has something on him - something that made him change his mind about the earlier ruling. Either that, or he's just too chickens--t to rule against O. Regardless of which theory is correct, we're screwed.

Posted by: sauropod at March 26, 2014 07:21 PM (G/vW6)

167 If we started using bill names to interpret legislative text...

Listen, someone else point out the stupidity of this.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 26, 2014 06:27 PM (HDwDg)

true,
Globl Warming really means, climate changes all the time.as Bill of Rights, meant whatever rights the govt decides you may have today.

Posted by: willow at March 26, 2014 07:24 PM (nqBYe)

168 Was the Dem convention in charlotte ?
Same mayor ?

Posted by: Mccool at March 26, 2014 07:25 PM (jYuH3)

169 or constituion means
con·sti·tu·tion[ kṑnstə tóosh'n ]
statement
of fundamental laws: a written statement outlining the basic laws or
principles by which a country or organization is governeddocument
containing fundamental laws: a document or statute outlining the basic
laws or principles by which a country or organization is governened
but not really

Posted by: willow at March 26, 2014 07:26 PM (nqBYe)

170 Nood, fyi.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 26, 2014 07:27 PM (ojnk6)

171 It is the job of the executive branch to ensure that the laws created by
the legislative branch are obeyed. In the U.S., the president approves
bills that he agrees with, but he can refuse to sign it if he is in
opposition to the law. He is also allowed to propose a bill, but he
cannot write it himself.

Posted by: willow at March 26, 2014 07:27 PM (nqBYe)

172 o sure

Posted by: willow at March 26, 2014 07:28 PM (nqBYe)

173 When Obamacare was being debated in Congress, the provision that subsidies would be available for state exchanges but not federal exchanges was seen as a feature that would compel reluctant states to set up the exchanges.

The fact that many states declined means that they should not be subsidized. This was the express intent of the law, as written. The disparate treatment was not in any way an oversight. It was central to the entire argument.

Posted by: Haiku Guy at March 26, 2014 07:37 PM (81KPi)

174 The Ace-fecta:

Like, Serious You Guys, Get This!

Posted by: bob [codename: Sayuri] at March 26, 2014 07:39 PM (idV0k)

175
Haiku Guy, well put.

And utterly immaterial. If "Justice" Kennedy can usurp the treaty power, and declare the diplomatic/negotiating record and plain language involved to have precisely the opposite meaning they obviously have, to derail military commissions in Hamdan v. Bush, then your silly analysis showing that A = A can be easily dismissed. As I recall, the cretin midget Roberts - back then not yet revealed as such - was himself so flabbergasted by Kennedy's arbitrary, baseless idiocy in that "ruling" that he used inflammatory language about SCOTUS "bait and switch" frivolousness threatening to undermine the constitutional system.

Is there some word for "irony" - just much stronger - that I'm looking for and somehow have missed?

Posted by: non-purist at March 26, 2014 07:43 PM (afQnV)

176 Obamacare isn't really a law, more an enabling act. You know, like der Ermächtigungsgesetz of 1933

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at March 26, 2014 07:44 PM (ief0O)

177 Now is that an penumbra or an emanation? I get those two confused.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2014 06:34 PM (1CroS)

An emanation usually happens when you're sleeping.

Posted by: Bill H at March 26, 2014 07:55 PM (3sZO1)

178 While you are googling, look at resigned Dem Gordon Fox of Rhode Island. Something is going on in Providence and no one is saying why.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 26, 2014 07:12 PM (baL2B)

I googled and came up with an article that talks about how much corruption is going on in Rhode Island, but that in Massachusettes, the last three speakers of their House have all been convicted of felonies....

Posted by: Jen at March 26, 2014 08:59 PM (IdGqX)

179 BTW, if the gubmint loses this one (i.e. Congress did NOT intend to include 'federal exchanges') ObamaCare just lost $700 BILLION. That's correct: illion with a 'B' in front of it

Posted by: alwyr at March 26, 2014 10:16 PM (V0j3u)

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