Mitt Romney's Official Announcement

Above the post updates:

FNC dumped out but CNN has it.

He gives a shout out to the 10th Amendment and says he will repeal ObamaCare.

Says a President should care about workers not union bosses.

Now telling story about his dad's humble beginnings.

And now CNN bails out. So, end of updates.

Original Post:
Coming up live in a few minutes in New Hampshire.

From the advance excerpts of his speech.

"A few years ago, Americans did something that was, actually, very much the sort of thing Americans like to do: We gave someone new a chance to lead. At the time, we didn't know what sort of a president he would make. It was a moment of crisis for our economy, and when Barack Obama came to office, we wished him well and hoped for the best," he will say. "Now, in the third year of his four-year term, we have more than promises and slogans to go by. Barack Obama has failed America."

And this.

�I will insist that Washington learns to respect the Constitution, including the 10th Amendment. We will return responsibility and authority to the states for dozens of government programs � and that begins with a complete repeal of Obamacare.

Oh and from the second link, guess who is also in New Hampshire? Why Sarah Palin.

It�s not just the national press corps that�s getting tangled up in the nomadic movements of the Palin tribe through New England. It�s also Republican presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney, who makes his bid official at a chili-cook off at a farm in New Hampshire today.
Romney, as befits his personality and style, has long planned and choreographed the event for his campaign rollout. Palin, meanwhile, is just trucking up the seaboard eventually heading for the Granite State. As Romney tries to get another look, all eyes are on Palin�s bus as it flirts with the state�s southern border today.
Is she doing mischief? Trying to help her own chances? Rolling without any plan? She�s sure not telling.

And she's bashing Romney.

Palin just ripped apart Romneycare at Bunker Hill. Said Mitt will have problems with tea party folks

Quotes from Palin here. She's talking about mandates.

Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class.

I've hit Romney pretty hard over RomneyCare myself but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term.

Added: I bet Mitt's speech will be great. He can bring the red meat without a doubt. It will be interesting to see if he touches RomneyCare or just sticks with attacking ObamaCare. The problem with Mitt isn't always what he says (though that can be troubling at times) it's whether you buy it or not coming from him.

At this point, I don't know how many primary voters are unsettled on him. As with the rest of the candidates, a lot will depend on the final shape of the field and how the early races break. Unlike anyone else in the field though, his money, name recognition and organization, mean Mitt is clearly best suited to a long, trench warfare type fight through the primaries. I think for Mitt to win, he needs a long bloody fight with other candidates burning themselves out and fracturing the party for as long as possible. If there's a clear Mitt/Someone else choice early on, he could be in trouble.

Even more stupidity: In the interest of fairness I should also note Rudy is going after Mitt today.

This is worse in someways than Palin.

First, no one gives a shit about what Rudy thinks.

Second, Rudy had his chance to beat McCain and Romney and got his ass kicked. Go away. No one wanted you in 08 and it's not like the lesson of that cycle and 2010 was, "More liberal RINOs please!"

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:41 PM

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1 zzzZZZzzz

Posted by: Anthony's Wiener at June 02, 2011 12:42 PM (GTbGH)

2 Romney = boring, slimy.
Paline = not boring enough, slimy

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 02, 2011 12:43 PM (epBek)

3 ...he managed to serve his full term.

heh.

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2011 12:44 PM (VG0iV)

4

>>Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class.

I've hit Romney pretty hard over RomneyCare myself but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term.

Great, Drew, you've brought out the Palinistas again.

Posted by: taylork at June 02, 2011 12:44 PM (5wsU9)

5 "Really? You as a NON-CANDIDATE can't let the guy have a day? All class.

I've hit Romney pretty hard over RomneyCare myself but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to SERVE HIS FULL TERM."
-DrewM

Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
If this was TepidAir.

Posted by: CAC at June 02, 2011 12:45 PM (JEVge)

6 "Is she doing mischief? Trying to help her own chances? Rolling without any plan? She�s sure not telling."

This is rapidly becoming Palin's MO. Generate a lot of attention with no real purpose or achievement to go with it. "Hey, look! She's riding a motorcycle now!!"

Don't like Romney but the Republican nominee is going to have to slam Obama on our failed economy. Romney at least seems to understand that.

Posted by: robviously at June 02, 2011 12:45 PM (BaQuW)

7
Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class.

I've hit Romney pretty hard over RomneyCare myself but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term.

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Great, Drew, you've brought out the Palinistas again.

Posted by: taylork at June 02, 2011 12:44 PM

You don't have to be a 'nista to call Drew's remark dumb.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 12:46 PM (+/eKV)

8

"Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class."

"...I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term"

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:41 PM

Screw you DrewM. I hate it when you are correct.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 12:46 PM (LH6ir)

9 And let the long knives come out.

Posted by: Ben at June 02, 2011 12:46 PM (wuv1c)

10 Please go away Mittens.

Just, go away.

No more big-govt Rinos

Posted by: Mark E at June 02, 2011 12:46 PM (w5RwR)

11 Ahhh, he served his full term as a RINO squish. Can't argue with that, or desire any more.

Posted by: flurmf at June 02, 2011 12:46 PM (uifmJ)

12 I just can't see myself tweeting about hockey with Mitt. Uh, wait, what I mean is I'm not excited by him.

Posted by: JoeInMD at June 02, 2011 12:47 PM (PIahf)

13 Drew, my man, you are going a bit over the bend of late.
First its allowing the media to set the context for any discussion of Chris Christie using a helicopter before they even have a chance to go there, and now you are chiding a private citizen for not appropriately deferring to someone declaring themselves a candidate for POTUS.
Both are complete nonsense. When Chris Christie doesn't cost the state of NJ a penny to use that helicopter, there is nothing wrong with it. You should state that and be done with it. When the media decides to go ape shit over that, you simply restate your previous position. You don't give them more gasoline for the fire by saying "that's a mistake".
And Sarah Palin can do whatever the fuck she wants. If that's too much for Mitt F'in Romney, too bad. Guess what ? Being president is a shit load more difficult than competing with Sarah Palin for air time. If he can't hack it now, he's done.
Grow a fuckin pair of balls already.

Posted by: deadrody at June 02, 2011 12:47 PM (Gc1ql)

14 I wish any of this mattered. Government debt Spending is going to put us in chaos and graves before any of this stuff matters. If I was sure he meant the 10th amendment stuff I would be giant for him. Wait to see how often and how specific he gets about it. Except for foreign policy, it barely matters who the president, house, senate, Supreme court is run by is once welfare and education get turned back over to the states. That's why leftists have spent since FDR consolidating all power in federal hands so that they could control everything. Hey lefties... mission accomplished hope you are proud with the monster you have created.

http://tinyurl.com/3elg56d

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2011 12:47 PM (mLAWK)

15 Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 12:46 PM (+/eKV)

Why is it dumb?

I like Palin but this coy flirtation is getting old. The goal is to make Obama (pbuh) a one-term president, not to create a kingmaker in Sarah Palin.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 12:48 PM (LH6ir)

16 OK, so trolling in the comments is bad, but trolling in a post is good?

Posted by: meekrob at June 02, 2011 12:48 PM (HAKTW)

17 Palin is rapidly turning into a simple attention whore. Very un-classy to step on Mitt's announcement when she is still playing coy about her own, and it isn't very Reaganish to attack another Republican in his own backyard.

Posted by: rockmom at June 02, 2011 12:48 PM (mBDmf)

18 crrctn
With power over to the states- except for foreign policy...

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2011 12:48 PM (mLAWK)

19 So its Sarah Palin's fault if the media flips out because she's riding a motorcycle ? Should Palin plan her every move based on trying to minimize the media's interest in each possibility ?
Good lord.

Posted by: deadrody at June 02, 2011 12:49 PM (Gc1ql)

20 How many times has he announced the obvious? I've lost count. Ah well, bring it Mittens, there's obviously plenty of room in the GOP for a big government pro like yourself. speaking of which,
Drew--stop with the 'I've beat up Romney' bs. We all know you'll be blogging your shriveled heart out for him, soon.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 02, 2011 12:49 PM (K/USr)

21 Civ calling you a RINO full of nonsense in 5...4...3...

Posted by: CAC at June 02, 2011 12:49 PM (JEVge)

22 Oh, Drew.

I'll say this for Romney: His full term sure fucked the hell out of Massachusetts's health care.

No knife too old to throw, today on Ace!

Posted by: William at June 02, 2011 12:49 PM (+zM6M)

23
*** SPOILER ***

*** DON'T READ BELOW THIS LINE IF YOU DON'T WANT THE SPOILER ***

(he's going to run for president)

Posted by: dan-O at June 02, 2011 12:50 PM (bRLuD)

24 OK, so trolling in the comments is bad, but trolling in a post is good?
Posted by: meekrob at June 02, 2011 12:48 PM (HAKTW)

If there wasn't trolling in the posts, many of us wouldn't be blogging.

Posted by: CAC at June 02, 2011 12:50 PM (JEVge)

25 Yeah that full term of Romney's, that worked out really well didn't it?

Posted by: crankytrex at June 02, 2011 12:50 PM (08O0O)

26 Oh crap - I'll be hiding in the Weiner room.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 02, 2011 12:50 PM (SB0V2)

27 >>and now you are chiding a private citizen for not appropriately deferring to someone declaring themselves a candidate for POTUS.

Given how she's all over the intertubes, TV, papers, and has an entire blog dedicated to her uterus, Palin is a private citizen in name only.

Posted by: taylork at June 02, 2011 12:50 PM (5wsU9)

28 Palin hopefully will never get in the race because she simply doesn't appeal to enough voters to have a chance of winning. Romney isn't going to pull enough non-partisan Democrats to his side to convince me he can win. I don't think he'll do enough to counter the enormous growth of government under Obama or the erosion of checks against the power of the executive branch.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 02, 2011 12:50 PM (9eDbm)

29 Whoever wants the nomination is going to have to get down and take it from the Sarahcuda or stay up on the porch with the ladies.

Posted by: SurferdDoc at June 02, 2011 12:50 PM (speED)

30 >Being president is a shit load more difficult than competing with Sarah Palin for air time. If he can't hack it now, he's done.

>Grow a fuckin pair of balls already.

Apparently, running for governor was a lot more difficult than actually serving as governor for Palin.

Nothing says big balls like quitting your job to do reality shows.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 12:51 PM (TMB3S)

31 Hugh Hewitt unavailable for comment due to paroxysms of ecstasy.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 02, 2011 12:51 PM (NiW1/)

32 Romney runs for RINO in Chief. Warm milk and toast in every pot.

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 12:51 PM (OlN4e)

33 Mitt, looks like the guy on the Wedding Cake, Dewey Beats Truman.

Posted by: John Bissell at June 02, 2011 12:51 PM (oAyVm)

34 Know what this post needs?
That's right, more hate!

Posted by: ErikW at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (VIf5F)

35 Palin is not playing around with anything. She's not running. She knows that she can't win. But she is trying to keep the guys that might win reliably on the right.

Gingrich shellacking Ryan is not what we need. Palin kicking Romney into either renouncing his big-gov bullshit or getting out... That's what we need.

Ann Coulter called it right. Why should Palin run? She can do more good for the country by keeping the rest of the GOP in line.

Posted by: flurmf at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (uifmJ)

36 Hey Drew you did an excellent job of putting forth the Big GOP line of putting in the time i.e. Next in line.

Screw them and Screw Mittens.

Posted by: Brainpimp at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (z3UT7)

37 Mitt lost ... to John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (GTbGH)

38 Frankly I think Palin's doing the GOP a favor just like Trump. She is sucking all the air out of the media and as a result they really don't have the time or inclincation to say a bad word about ACTUAL candidates.
Brilliant. Keep the media running after Palin and let the GOP field spar with one another without the media setting the terms of the debate.

Posted by: deadrody at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (Gc1ql)

39 Yeah, politics is all about class.

Posted by: kefka at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (UwqBE)

40
Romney 2012! b/c winning is everything.
Trust me on that.

Posted by: King Pyrrhus at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (SCcgT)

41 Should Palin plan her every move based on trying to minimize the media's interest in each possibility ?

No, she plans her every move to draw as much attention to her as possible at every possible moment.

Posted by: taylork at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (5wsU9)

42

Again?

This argument again?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2011 12:53 PM (Wzli+)

43 If Romney realizes he made a mistake with RomneyCare...
And if he admits he made a mistake publicly,
And if he starts to lay out his concrete plans for reversing the damage that The Vapid One�, Reid and Pelosi have done,
And if hedoesn't get all squishy and evasive when asked straight, honest questions,
And if he doesn't think it's "his turn" to run, ala Juan McCain,
And if the national GOPmachinedoesn't like him,
Then I might consider him to be a viable candidate for president.
Even I have standards.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 02, 2011 12:53 PM (d0Tfm)

44 .he managed to serve his full term.

Well to be fair, he did serve part of it in Iowa.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 02, 2011 12:53 PM (TpXEI)

45 So, DrewM, are you looking forward to the scintillating ZeroCare vs. MormonCare debates?

Posted by: Chuckit at June 02, 2011 12:53 PM (kF79y)

46 Hopefully Romney and Palin annihilate each other.
Maybe someone nationally electable could actually squeeze out of the primary that way.
Perry, Bachmann, and Pawlenty are all more electable than either of them.

Posted by: CAC at June 02, 2011 12:53 PM (JEVge)

47 The question is moot.

Posted by: mayan calendar at June 02, 2011 12:53 PM (GTbGH)

48 I've hit Romney pretty hard over RomneyCare myself but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term.

Maybe it would have been better if he hadn't.

Posted by: devilish at June 02, 2011 12:53 PM (3eTJD)

49 My take of this is let's see what he has to say. I wouldn't even call "Shenanigans" on Palin. Let them fight it out in the primaries. My one concern is to get a challenger for JEF, the man needs to be beat up in the primaries.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 02, 2011 12:54 PM (136wp)

50 Gee, who is really making this about Palin? Hmm, Drew?

Hubby and I had a discussion and decided Palin is running interference for a potential candidate (apparently not Romney). I think what we'll see is, who ever candidate it may be, if they start getting negative press (or the MFM starts making shit up), Palin will jump on a motorcycle or kick a puppy or something to distract the media, since she has gotten adept at leading them around by their collective nose.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 12:54 PM (5d6vv)

51 Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class.

Now, is Palin to blame for handing out her opinion, or for being followed by the MSM?

Besides. She's right. The sooner people get off Mittens, the better. We don't need to run a Massachusetts liberal who passed ObamaCare before passing ObamaCare was cool.

And before anyone kills a straw man, I'm not a Palinista. I'm even less of a RomneyCare-ista.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 12:54 PM (1fanL)

52 Don't see point, why should Palin give Romney a day. Mitt's a big boy, who showed in 2008 he can give as good as he can get. Palin is in Mass today, of course she's going to talk about MittCare. If she was in Texas and started talking about MitCare you might have a point. But here you don't.

Geez still talking about her resigning; wow Mitt served four years. Of course he didn't have the entire left wing establishment attacking his every move.

Posted by: jbw at June 02, 2011 12:54 PM (BZcMK)

53 Did he tweet his announcement along with a picture of his junk?

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 02, 2011 12:54 PM (OtQXp)

54 Ahh good! The Romney revolution to take back America begins!! The hardliner America needs to pull us back from the economic brink.....
Go get 'em Mittens....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (GKQDR)

55 Oh man! Weinergate, Palin-bashing...it's a full plate for Jeff B. today!

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (hIWe1)

56 why does everyone have to inject Palin into every discussion!
This is about Mitt running.

rolls eyes .

Posted by: willow at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (h+qn8)

57 From the speech. WOW;

"A few short years ago we were wearing sharply creased trousers and well-coiffed manes. Well. That was yesterday. Today, we have a new look and different attitude. We've tussled the hair a bit and visited the Gap for Levi's. We've buried the Romneycare plan in a duplicitous graveyard of adjectives and confusing phrases. We've moved from largely a largely conservative demeanor that largely appeals to the unwashed, bitter, gun-clinging, Bible thumpers to one that reflects a more mainstream establishment Republican. Moderate? I wear that label proudly. Just ask my good friend Susan Collins..."

A brand new attitude?

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (CHrmZ)

58 >>Mitt lost ... to John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.

Palin ran WITH Palin and lost. What does that do for her?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (TMB3S)

59 Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class.

---

You would not say that if it was Obama who was making his announcement for reelection today.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (bAySe)

60 I'll say this about Sarah...once she has you in her sights, she keeps pulling the trigger until she runs out of ammo.

Posted by: Skylined Caribou at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (VG0iV)

61 >>I like Palin but this coy flirtation is getting old. The goal is to make
Obama (pbuh) a one-term president, not to create a kingmaker in Sarah
Palin.

She already is.

Posted by: 7 Chinese Spammers at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (xaCZY)

62 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 02, 2011 12:53 PM (d0Tfm)

Maybe if he does all that, and then publicly severs one testicle with a pair of pinking shears in atonement, I would reconsider.

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (OlN4e)

63 Mitt Romney's announcement today was simply magnificent, and anyone who denies it is not to be trusted as an analyst. On every level it was a masterpiece.
mmmm, slurp

Posted by: Drew Hewitt at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (K/USr)

64 Mitt lost ... to John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (GTbGH)
Retweet!

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (1fanL)

65 Here is Palin's statement "ripping" romney.
In my opinion, any mandate coming from government is not a good thing, so obviously ... there will be more the explanation coming from former governor, Romney, on his support for government mandates," Palin told reporters today.
When a reporter followed up that Romney has distinguished his state mandate from the federal one President Obama signed into law in 2010, Palin responded that even state mandates are problematic.
"He makes a good argument there that it does. States rights and authority and responsibility allowed in our states makes more sense than a big centralized government telling us what to do," she said.
"However, even on a state level and even a local level, mandates coming from a governing body, it's tough for a lot of us independent Americans to accept, because we have great faith in the private sectors and our own families ... and our own businessmen and women making decisions for ourselves. Not any level of government telling us what to do."

Yeah, WTF is she talking about? Sounds crazy to me, we should all want government mandates right?
http://tinyurl.com/3hwjh9d

Posted by: robtr at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (MtwBb)

66 Are Mormon's circumcised?

Posted by: The Moyle at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (EL+OC)

67 Ho freaking hum.

Posted by: rplat at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (4vq8i)

68 Romney has class? That word...not sure it means what you think it means...Using the power of the state to steal money from certain people to pay for other's people bullshit? That is not class. Donating your own money for other people's bullshit is class.

Posted by: A Unicorn named Barack the Magic Unicorn at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (2pCsk)

69

I've hit Romney pretty hard over RomneyCare myself but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term.

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:41 PM

Nervous, are we?

17
Palin is rapidly turning into a simple attention whore. Very un-classy
to step on Mitt's announcement when she is still playing coy about her
own, and it isn't very Reaganish to attack another Republican in his own
backyard.

Posted by: rockmom at June 02, 2011 12:48 PM (mBDmf)

If, at this point in the country's history, we're still referring to a quasi-socialist big-government type like Romney, who led the charge on the precursor to ObamaCare, as a Republican, then no one should find it hard to understand why 3/4 of the Tea Party thinks an official third party is needed.And what's unclassy about nuking Romney out the gate? He's halfway gone to the Left. Does anyone truly believe he's going to fix the nation? What's he gonna do, put a compress on the bleeding and make us run laps? That'll work out nicely.This is why we're boned. Palin's denouncing Romney is "unclassy", while the cliff is now within sight, and the guy in the back says "let me drive, I'll go slower, let you all prepare a bit, say some prayers and good-byes", and all we can say is "let the man talk, damnit!"
Reagen's eleventh commandment doesn't apply to people who aren't actually on our side.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (Cy/Q5)

70
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Drew is defending the Republican John Kerry. And please Palin was hardly bashing Romney, its true that his embrace of the individual mandate won't go over well with tea-party folks.

Posted by: Duo Maxwell at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (WeHB7)

71 Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class.

I've hit Romney pretty hard over RomneyCare myself but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term
Agree completely. Sorry Palin-bots, but if she's not running against him, she should stop pissing in the well. His record outshines hers, even factoring in RomneyCare. Let the voters decide who Mitt is. I predict he won't get past New Hampshire. It will be his only (limited) victory.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (HwE/1)

72 "we didn't know what sort of a president he would make. It was a moment
of crisis for our economy, and when Barack Obama came to office, we
wished him well and hoped for the best, Now, in the third
year of his four-year term, we have more than promises and slogans to
go by. Barack Obama has failed America."

Whoever wrote this for Mitt did a nice job. That's good.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (+sBB4)

73 I will admit I am getting pretty sick of her "will she or won't she" garbage.

However, I think this is minor. I doubt she had some devious plan to undermine romney. I'm guessing Romney and her just happened to be in the state on the same day.

Posted by: Ben at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (wuv1c)

74 >Mitt lost ... to John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.

Romney lost after Fuck-a-bee stabbed him in the back in W. Virgina. Shot him right in the nads.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (136wp)

75 Palin ran WITH Palin and lost. What does that do for her?

???

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (GTbGH)

76 we didn't know what sort of a president he would make

Yeah it's a throwaway line but it's still sooper dooper retarded, and I seriously doubt if Newhampshirites know how to make edible chili.

Posted by: Bob Saget has not been banned yet at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (F/4zf)

77 Palin ran WITH Palin and lost. What does that do for her?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (TMB3S)
With McCain, you mean. And she almost dragged him over the finish line. What does it do for her? It putz her in ur hed, eeting ur branes!

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (1fanL)

78 Wow drew shits on palin, big fuckin surprise.

Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (6IReR)

79 romney/t-paw 2012
you'll snooze if we don't lose

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (R7NIt)

80 Palin ran WITH PalinMcCain and lost. What does that do for her?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (TMB3S)
Good point.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (LH6ir)

81
anyway, Mitt will do even worse in the primaries than he did in '08.
He's done. Finished. His candidacy was over in April.

Mitt had over two years to prepare for this run and, so far, he has done everything wrong.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2011 12:58 PM (gt3o0)

82 Ann Coulter called it right. Why should Palin run? She can do more good for the country by keeping the rest of the GOP in line.
Posted by: flurmf at June 02, 2011 12:52 PM (uifmJ)

And by sucking out all of the media attention, there is less of on the GOP primary- which gives the GOP the chance to sort its own shit out without as heavy a MFM influence.

I still say (since last year) she will not run, but she is manipulating the hell out of things by not doing so.

Posted by: CAC at June 02, 2011 12:58 PM (JEVge)

83 Maybe she is working on a new reality tv show. She drives around the country in a van (bus) solving mysteries.

That's not Mitt Romney, it's a mask!

Coming soon to TLC. Don't forget to donate!

Posted by: brak at June 02, 2011 12:58 PM (dyJte)

84 Romney lost after Fuck-a-bee stabbed him in the back in W. Virgina. Shot him right in the nads.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (136wp)
mighty good shot....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 02, 2011 12:58 PM (GKQDR)

85 What a speech! My panties are soaked.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at June 02, 2011 12:58 PM (Du7XB)

86 By the way, it does seem fairly obvious to me that Palin's sudden "nationwide tour" is just a bid for media attention and nothing more. Notice how she was becoming a major afterthought in the post-Trump boomlet? I'm sure she did.

She has a right to criticize Romney and Romneycare, though I do have to say it's pretty gauche to do it today of all days in a "look at meeeeeeee!!" bid.

But whatever. I just can't really care too much about her anymore. Her moves are too obvious at this point. I loved in particular where a "well-connected insider" said "oh, pay attention to see if she goes to Iowa or keeps the trip going longer, that'll means she's getting serious!" When of course that was the plan all along, and this tidbit was leaked intentionally in advance precisely to lay the groundwork for such speculation. Too transparent.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 02, 2011 12:59 PM (hIWe1)

87 @65 Have to admit if that's the statement Drew seems to have made much ado about nothing. That's not "ripping" Romney by a mile.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 02, 2011 12:59 PM (9eDbm)

88 "I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term. "
And that was very unfortunate for the taxpayers of Massachusetts who are now facing massive increases in health care costs and delays in seeing doctors thanks to Mitt Romney.
We're still pyaing the price for the RomneyCare disaster that served as the template that Barack Obama used to pass forced insurance purchases which enslave the people of the United States.
I might add these forced insurance purchases have been ruled un-Constitutional.
Mitt Romney is a non-starter. If he wants to waste $100 million Repbulican campaign dollars figuring that out by finishing third in Iowa and third in New Hampshire before he abandons his folly in South Carolina, so be it but he is doing real lasting economic damage to the Republican Party by wasting our campaign contributions on a fruitless endeavor.
He deserves the criticism he is receiving, every. single. day. And he'll continue to get it.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 12:59 PM (iIQ0a)

89 If Romney realizes he made a mistake with RomneyCare...
And if he admits he made a mistake publicly,...
Unlikely.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 02, 2011 12:59 PM (1rHeD)

90 58
>>Mitt lost ... to John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.

Palin ran WITH Palin and lost. What does that do for her?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (TMB3S)
Scoobie - scoobie - doo

Posted by: Scooby Doo at June 02, 2011 12:59 PM (136wp)

91
That audio that just came out about Mitt's past and present positions has killed his candidacy. He's done.

What a waste. I always liked Mitt Romney; he blew his chance to be president.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2011 12:59 PM (Wzli+)

92 �I will insist that Washington learns to respect the Constitution,
including the 10th Amendment. We will return responsibility and
authority to the states for dozens of government programs � and that
begins with a complete repeal of
Obamacare.

anyway although I'm lukewarm on Mitt, if He does this . I will learn top respect him

Posted by: willow at June 02, 2011 12:59 PM (h+qn8)

93 Duo:
Republican John Kerry.

Bingo.

Posted by: flurmf at June 02, 2011 12:59 PM (uifmJ)

94 So let me get this right Palin supporters....it's okay for her to court attention and be covered. What's not ok is to cover her in anything but glowing terms?

Got it.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:00 PM (plesI)

95 I like Palin. She has nice tata's. Romney? Not so much.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:00 PM (CHrmZ)

96 20 minutes, 99 comments.

Excellent...

Posted by: MSM at June 02, 2011 01:01 PM (qDPnZ)

97 WillAOSHQ ever get Drew'spanties un-bunched about Palin? Seems unlikely.
Meanwhile, the economy is going down the shitter. Wheres the DOOM guy?

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 02, 2011 01:01 PM (K/USr)

98 Mitt today: "There are no dynasties in America"

This from a son of a gov

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:01 PM (+sBB4)

99 That was sad, Drew. I expect better. This is AOSHQ not FrumForum

Posted by: Michelangelo at June 02, 2011 01:01 PM (cusRL)

100 No, what's not okay is to throw into a post about Romney just to piss on her.

Posted by: devilish at June 02, 2011 01:01 PM (3eTJD)

101 Hey, fellas, yesterday at the Clinton Library I said I left the door open for getting back in the race. So we have hope!

Posted by: Mike Huckabee at June 02, 2011 01:01 PM (NiW1/)

102 Romney: Our worst best chance in 2012.

Posted by: flurmf at June 02, 2011 01:02 PM (uifmJ)

103
94
So let me get this right Palin supporters....it's okay for her to court
attention and be covered. What's not ok is to cover her in anything but
glowing terms?

Got it.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:00 PM (plesI)

A good start would be accurate reporting.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 01:02 PM (Cy/Q5)

104 95
I like Palin. She has nice tata's. Romney? Not so much.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:00 PM (CHrmZ)
Chicks dig on the hair the shoes. Dudes like a nice rack. Next Stop: Mitt gets breasts implants.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 02, 2011 01:02 PM (136wp)

105 77
Palin ran WITH Palin and lost. What does that do for her?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM (TMB3S)
With
McCain, you mean. And she almost dragged him over the finish line.
What does it do for her? It putz her in ur hed, eeting ur branes!

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 12:57 PM (1fanL)
Interesting definition of "almost"; the 2008 election was a blowout for Obama. She had a brilliant moment with her speech at the convention but the rest of the campaign was a mess for her. No, the media did not treat her fairly but she also botched questions like "What newspapers do you read?" and "What books do you read?" And, again, why did she agree to run for VP when she knew she had a pregnant teenage daughter at the time? Absolutely horrible decision. How did she expect that to turn out?

Posted by: robviously at June 02, 2011 01:02 PM (BaQuW)

106 Yawn.

Posted by: Dave at June 02, 2011 01:03 PM (Xm1aB)

107 Ace was the one who compared Palin to an overused pop song. But hey, let's all gang up on Drew.

Posted by: Anony at June 02, 2011 01:03 PM (7ahtU)

108 Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:00 PM (plesI)
Well, you threw the bait right out there, now your going to bitch because it was taken?

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 01:03 PM (OlN4e)

109 Again?This argument again?

yep

Posted by: eleven at June 02, 2011 01:03 PM (7DB+a)

110 Who would think the two "most electable" primary candidates come from the same state?

Romney has destroyed himself with waffling.
Palin isn't running.
Huntman and Gingrich never got to the launch pad.
Cain will get buzz but will fizzle out.
Johnson and Paul, well I don't really need to explain what is fucked up between them.

So that leaves 2 candidates.

Unless Perry jumps in. His jobs argument sort of outshines the whole secessionist rhetoric. He's created more jobs in Dallas than Obama can claim for the whole fucking country.

Posted by: CAC at June 02, 2011 01:03 PM (JEVge)

111 Glowing terms? Palin? When did that happen- I must have been sleeping.

I like Ms. Palin right where she is. Not running for President. But that said, there is a difference between being intellectually critical of her policies or statements and ad homimen attacks on how she walks her dog IMHO.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:04 PM (CHrmZ)

112
WillAOSHQ ever get Drew'spanties un-bunched about Palin? Seems unlikely.
Meanwhile, the economy is going down the shitter. Wheres the DOOM guy?

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 02, 2011 01:01 PM (K/USr)

Monty's on a three-week break from the interwebs, soaking up all the DOOM. He'll come back tanned, rested, and ready to tell us all why we are totally screwed. In the meantime, someone ought to start a mini-DOOM post, and fill it with articles about Romney supporters and quasi-supporters as a good reason for being terminally boned as a nation.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 01:04 PM (Cy/Q5)

113
So let me get this right Palin supporters....

It's not so much support as it is a defense of needless cocksuckery.

I don't come to AoS for low-brow snark. If you have no insight to offer, don't make a post.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2011 01:04 PM (gt3o0)

114 Drew, how many lawsuits was Romney hit with?

He should have been hit with a boat load over Romneycare.

Palin got hit with every inconsequential thing they could come up with.

Posted by: mare at June 02, 2011 01:04 PM (A98Xu)

115 GENERIC
REPUBLICAN
IN 2012.

If we are talking electability, he/she beats Obama every time.

Posted by: CAC at June 02, 2011 01:04 PM (JEVge)

116 You know who this helps?

Mitt Romney.

Posted by: jukin at June 02, 2011 01:04 PM (vkkNZ)

117 Yes I am all believing the NY Post.

Is she doing mischief? Trying to help her own chances? Rolling without any plan? She�s sure not telling.

Did she plan this Romney mischief and set out to attack him?

Her itinerary for this bus tour was mapped out months ago long before Romney gave out his intent of when to announce.

As for saying he will have trouble with the Tea Party folks is that really an attack? Romney probably gets ZERO support from Tea Party folks.

Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2011 01:05 PM (M9Ie6)

118
btw, what happened to Purple Avenger? Haven't seen him around in a while.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2011 01:05 PM (gt3o0)

119 Why do we have blue dog democrats running for the republican nomination?

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2011 01:05 PM (mLAWK)

120 *shrug*

I don't know if I'll be voting for him, but if the election is a conversation about our values and priorities as a nation, Romney is the interlocutor best prepared for Obama. Palin's personality and behavior, for better or worse, tend to eclipse her message.

Posted by: Jordan at June 02, 2011 01:05 PM (4z6KA)

121 I don't care where anybody stands on Mittens. All I really know is that this field of candidates sucks ass.

Posted by: MMW at June 02, 2011 01:05 PM (kt/h1)

122 @110
Correct.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 02, 2011 01:05 PM (NiW1/)

123 GENERIC

REPUBLICAN

IN 2012.

If we are talking electability, he/she beats Obama every time.

That can't be right. Generic Republican would follow the party platform, which we all know only spells electoral doom.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 02, 2011 01:06 PM (TpXEI)

124 If there's a clear Mitt/Someone else choice early on, he could be in trouble.

Bob Dole's a-comin' with his four-hour boner to save the day!

Posted by: Bob Dole! at June 02, 2011 01:06 PM (7mSYS)

125
Here is Palin's statement "ripping" romney.....

Yeah, WTF is she talking about? Sounds crazy to me, we should all want government mandates right?

http://tinyurl.com/3hwjh9d

Posted by: robtr at June 02, 2011 12:56 PM (MtwBb)

---Jesus! robtr is right. That is in no way shape or form "a rip" on Romney. I thought Drew was refering to a speech where she attacked RomneyCare. For Pete's sake, she was just answering a reporter's question... rather thoughtfully, I might add. If all of her answers to Q's were that good, few of us would have doubts about her readiness to run for President.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 02, 2011 01:06 PM (bAySe)

126 Unless Perry jumps in. His jobs argument sort of outshines the whole
secessionist rhetoric. He's created more jobs in Dallas than Obama can
claim for the whole fucking country.

I don't think it's a question of if, but when. Perry is waiting for our legislative session to end before he announces.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 01:06 PM (5d6vv)

127 DrewM: Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class.
Errr...how far in advance did she know he was going to be making this speech?

Posted by: ed at June 02, 2011 01:06 PM (Y2WVW)

128

btw, where is the textual evidence of this 'bashing?'

I'd like to know what she said before we get all drama-queenish and throw out the b-word.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2011 01:07 PM (gt3o0)

129 96 20 minutes, 99 comments.

Excellent...
Posted by: MSM at June 02, 2011

.........

It happens when someone writes stupid shit on the front page.

Posted by: flurmf at June 02, 2011 01:07 PM (uifmJ)

130 If Palin gets more attention than Mitt, shouldn't that tell somebody something? Yes, I would prefer her to upstage Obama on the golf course and everywhere else he shows up, but the fact that Sarah has star power is the point. If Mitt is so great, he should be able to draw crowds and the press away from her. If he has a problem doing that, it is his problem-not hers. Obama has to level the playing field, our candidates should not have to.

Posted by: chillin the most at June 02, 2011 01:07 PM (6IV8T)

131 I come here for both the insight and snark. If you don't like it, there's always hotair.

Posted by: brak at June 02, 2011 01:07 PM (dyJte)

132 Romney/Bachmann would be the best ticket we have. Two lawyers who actually worked for a living in this economy.

Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:07 PM (2m1tz)

133 "Bob Dole's a-comin' with his four-hour boner to save the day!"

With certitude?

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at June 02, 2011 01:08 PM (NiW1/)

134 Remember that episode of Facts of Life where Tootie has a nervous breakdown over Jermaine Jackson, and you're sitting on the edge of your seat because you think Tootie might actually stab Mrs. Garrett in the neck? This is exactly like that.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 02, 2011 01:08 PM (y/+eD)

135 So let me get this right Palin supporters....it's okay for her to court attention and be covered. What's not ok is to cover her in anything but glowing terms?Got it.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:00 PM (plesI)
Drew, I don't know who I am going to vote for it's too early. To say Palin was "ripping" Romney is pretty far from the truth though, especially when you base it on what some CNN goon said.
I posted what she said, if you have a problem with it or think she treated Romney unfairly I'd like to hear what it is she said that upset you. From what I can see what she said is pretty much the position of most conservatives and it is something Romney created himself and has to deal with if he wants to win.

Posted by: robtr at June 02, 2011 01:08 PM (MtwBb)

136 Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 01:03 PM (OlN4e)

I wasn't bitching. Just pointing out.

If I had posted something like, "Oh look, Palin is doing such a great thing with her tour, it's bringing attention to our founding principles and hey, it's awesome that she's attacking Romney on the day he announces", Palin supporters would have loved it.

But when I post unflattering things about her I get, "you're trolling!" and "Why are you talking about her so much"?

They don't mind happy Conservatives4Palin type coverage but attack any other kind.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:08 PM (plesI)

137 Don�t be an idiot Drew. You managed to take an inaccurate MBM headline and write an even more inaccurate article than the MBM one, and then hid behind a tweet so that you didn�t have to link to the actual article that showed how you were just plain lying. (I hope you didn�t base your comments solely on the tweet you linked; if you did� don�t be an idiot.)

From robtr@65:
"In my opinion, any mandate coming from government is not a good thing, so obviously ... there will be more the explanation coming from former governor, Romney, on his support for government mandates," Palin told reporters today.

When a reporter followed up that Romney has distinguished his state mandate from the federal one President Obama signed into law in 2010, Palin responded that even state mandates are problematic.

"He makes a good argument there that it does. States rights and authority and responsibility allowed in our states makes more sense than a big centralized government telling us what to do," she said.

"However, even on a state level and even a local level, mandates coming from a governing body, it's tough for a lot of us independent Americans to accept, because we have great faith in the private sectors and our own families ... and our own businessmen and women making decisions for ourselves. Not any level of government telling us what to do."

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (QF8uk)

138 Sounds like Drew is love with Romney or something.

That make sense I guess, since Romney sucks. I guess Drew knows he also swallows.

Posted by: Oh, Hi Mark at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (eUYwR)

139 Bob Dole's a-comin' with his four-hour boner to save the day!

Posted by: Bob Dole! at June 02, 2011 01:06 PM (7mSYS)
----
A thought, either Cialis or Viagra ought to put together an add spoofing the Weinergate story. Too risque for a Rx ad? Come to think of it... has there ever been a Rx ad that used humor?

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (bAySe)

140 Drew,

Please understand. Romney will not be President.

That is all.

Posted by: Darel Finkbeiner at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (Z1WKS)

141 132 Romney/Bachmann would be the best ticket we have. Two lawyers who actually worked for a living in this economy.
Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:07 PM (2m1tz)
I completely agree, except for that Romney part.

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (OlN4e)

142 So all criticism of Palin is now considered treason? I like her, but when she does stupid shit I am going to call her on it. And taking a shot at Romney wasn't impressive.

And I am no fan of Romney. He has a lot of work to do to get my vote in the primary. But the goal of ridding the country of Obama is much more important than which candidate wins.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (LH6ir)

143 Romney has a well-deserved reputation as a big-government RINO. He got that from his actual record as Massachusetts governor.
I really don't think the country is in the mood for a larger government. We want things cut, like the budget deficit and useless agencies that are more concerned with throwing their weight around and killing jobs. And we want them cut now.
Romney is his own worst enemy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (d0Tfm)

144 I don't come to AoS for low-brow snark.

ur doing it rong

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (GTbGH)

145 Romney/Bachmann would be the best ticket we have. Two lawyers who actually worked for a living in this economy.

Romney/Bachmann - the ticket will know where Lexington and Concord are.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (TpXEI)

146 So let me get this right Palin supporters....it's okay for her to court
attention and be covered. What's not ok is to cover her in anything but
glowing terms?Got it.
So let me get this straight Palin hater.... it's OK for you to paste in some ridiculous blog fodder. What's not OK is to respond to you in anything but glowing terms?

Got it.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (+sBB4)

147 Dude has nice hair; I'll give him that much.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 02, 2011 01:10 PM (XBM1t)

148
Mitt Romney...there's no bulge in his tightie whities.

Posted by: Ace of Wieners at June 02, 2011 01:10 PM (gppu7)

149 Don�t be an idiot Drew. You managed to take an inaccurate MBM headline
and write an even more inaccurate article than the MBM one, and then hid
behind a tweet so that you didn�t have to link to the actual article
that showed how you were just plain lying.

You did notice the link to CNN just below the gray blockquote box, right?

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 01:10 PM (0nqdj)

150

I said low-brow snark, brak.

And I want nothing to do with Hot Air because over there I can't tell you to Shut the Fuck Up.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2011 01:11 PM (gt3o0)

151 Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:08 PM (plesI)
Well, if you weren't baiting, you would have made the Romney post and not mentioned Palin, so I still say you were baiting.

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 01:11 PM (OlN4e)

152 It�s also Republican presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney, who makes his bid official at a chili-cook off at a farm in New Hampshire today.>>>>>>>>

'Cause nothing says New Hampshire like....chili. Next stop? The Maple Syrup festival in New Mexico. What a fucking dick....

Posted by: Joejm65 at June 02, 2011 01:11 PM (syDFX)

153 Drew, how dare you give your opinion!

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:11 PM (CHrmZ)

154 Posted by: ed at June 02, 2011 01:06 PM (Y2WVW)

The date and location was announced at least a week ago, probably more. I heard about Mitt's thing before I ever heard of her tour, let alone specific dates on her tour.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:12 PM (plesI)

155 Mitt's only chance is to buy votes with liquor, like they did in the old days.
What amI saying? There's no way in hell I'd vote for this assclown.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 02, 2011 01:12 PM (P33XN)

156 Romney=RINO, that's indisputable.

However, I will crawl over broken glass to vote for him or anyone else or anything else nominated to run against the Marxist in the Oval Office.

Posted by: Dave at June 02, 2011 01:12 PM (Xm1aB)

157 Why is it dumb?

I
like Palin but this coy flirtation is getting old. The goal is to make
Obama (pbuh) a one-term president, not to create a kingmaker in Sarah
Palin.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 12:48 PM

"Coy flirtation"? She's doing what she wants to do, period. The rest is the MBM's delusion that she gives a fuck about them.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:12 PM (+/eKV)

158 Just saying that you are for 'federalism' doesn't allow for an absence of policy.
Mitt is going to have to explain what his 'waivers' mean and whether or not he would simply 'allow' states to find their own ways to jump through hoops that he would set federally.
Everything I see about his health care plan suggests that he will not (for example) get rid of pre-existing condition denial restrictions. That doesn't make sense without mandates which in turn doesn't make sense without subsidies.
If he still supports federal laws/regulations that basically force the hand of states to have mandates, subsidies, and ObamaCare light, what is the damn point?

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 01:12 PM (VoSja)

159 About lawsuits,

Romney faced a firestorm over his getting in the way of gay marriage in Mass.

David French friend, Iraq soldier, religious freedom lawyer, etc. has long been covering that stuff and I make a point to always read his thoughts.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2011 01:12 PM (mLAWK)

160 slublug@149: You did notice the link to CNN just below the gray blockquote box, right?

No, because it wasn�t there.

Google cache is your friend.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 02, 2011 01:13 PM (QF8uk)

161 But when I post unflattering things about her I get, "you're trolling!" and "Why are you talking about her so much"?They don't mind happy Conservatives4Palin type coverage but attack any other kind.

It's when you post unnecessary unflattering things about her. The post was (or should have been) about Romney's announcement. You made the focus on Palin, mischaracterized her statement and her intent, and then crapped on her about the Governorship for no reason other than you are an apparent Romney fanboi.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 01:13 PM (5d6vv)

162 Romney=RINO, that's indisputable.

However, I will crawl over broken glass to vote for him or anyone else
or anything else nominated to run against the Marxist in the Oval
Office.

Posted by: Dave

Yep.

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:13 PM (GTbGH)

163 'Cause nothing says New Hampshire like....chili.

Ha. He really should have gone with a baked bean supper. Baked beans, ham, cole slaw, brown bread...New England type food.

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 01:13 PM (0nqdj)

164 #37
Mitt lost ... to John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.
This.

Posted by: Cheri at June 02, 2011 01:13 PM (oiNtH)

165 Mitt Romney , the mandate.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 02, 2011 01:14 PM (bAL0J)

166 David Frenchs stuff is here:

http://tinyurl.com/3gvw9qp

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2011 01:14 PM (mLAWK)

167 Romney faced a firestorm over his getting in the way of gay marriage in Mass.

Gay marriage was very unpopular in Massachusetts at the time (honestly, it might still be, I haven't seen polling on it in a while). He took no substantial risks by being vocal against the decision.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (TpXEI)

168 Mitt Romney. Because we are tired of a President who has a Temp Fade haircut.

Remember the mane!

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (CHrmZ)

169 * I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term.*

Oh for fucks sake, THAT'S your argument against Palin? I always love when so called conservatives take liberal talking points and help turn them into truth.

Posted by: Matt at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (c4srZ)

170
Google cache is your friend.

If Drew were really trying to hide behind a tweet, as you said, would that link have been added to the post at all?

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (0nqdj)

171 Fuck Romney

Posted by: Tea Party Folk at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (dKCBV)

172 Well Drew, you didn't even give poor Mitt an entire post to himself for his announcement.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (z1N6a)

173 Drew,

I see what you did here, you evil genius. You made us forget all about weiners. Even if for that one brief moment.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (+sBB4)

174 I'll have to vote for Romney, though, since voting for the least worst candidate in the last six elections has worked out so well for the country.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (P33XN)

175 They don't mind happy Conservatives4Palin type coverage but attack any other kind.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:08 PM (plesI)

I don't mind either. Just please be fair and accurate.
Anyways, is it really such a bad thing for the conservative movement to have a media darling ought there day and day out promoting the causes and ideas we care passionately about? She's is the only GOP personality I can think of that has the ability to reach Americans who don't follows political blogs or tune into the nightly news religiously.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 02, 2011 01:15 PM (bAySe)

176
I sense that Mitt needs to succeed so much that he will go with what wins. When he was raised in the LDS church he was pro-life. When he wanted to run against Kennedy in Massachusetts in 1994 he discovered he was pro-choice, and as Governor he had another epiphony and discovered he was pro-life again. I see the same thing working with health care. As a big deal at Bain I doubt he would have had much enthusiasm for turning over health insurance to the state government. As Governor, he got real interested and decided it was such a good idea, he would lead the way. And now that the issue is front and center, its all Deval Patrick's fault and let's repeal Obamacare.
There is absolutely no doubt the guy is brilliant and has the business and free market experience we desparately need. And with the exception of Pawlenty, clearly the class of the current field. But it worries me that he'll go which ever way gets him the approval he seems to need. If I thought he would be in the White House the guy he was at Bain, I would be contributing to his campaign and volunteering. Anyone want to offer some reassurance?
And as far as Palin goes, we should consider this more a test of Romney's campaign than anything. He's been running since 2008 and has what is supposed to be a good staff. Palin shouldn't rattle them, and if Romney's people are any good, they should be doing the rattling. We'll see.

Posted by: AlanR at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (+CKqs)

177 I really like the way Sarah causes people like Drew to get their panties in a bunch.

I also enjoy watching Sarah enjoy it.

Posted by: Dave at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (Xm1aB)

178 mittens afraid of Palin?
if he can't take the heat from Palin---the obamabot communistzombiesare going to eat him alive

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (+/c0N)

179 romney cut taxes 19 times in Mass. That is all a real Tea party person needs to hear

Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (2m1tz)

180 Remember that episode of Facts of Life where Tootie has a nervous breakdown over Jermaine Jackson, and you're sitting on the edge of your seat because you think Tootie might actually stab Mrs. Garrett in the neck? This is exactly like that.

what!?, What!?, WHAT!?

(I prefer the one where the girls buy bongs in the head shop)

Posted by: mrs. garrett at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (VG0iV)

181 Never forget the weiner.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (+sBB4)

182 163 'Cause nothing says New Hampshire like....chili.

Ha. He really should have gone with a baked bean supper. Baked beans, ham, cole slaw, brown bread...New England type food.
Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 01:13 PM (0nqdj)>>>>>>>

No chowdah? No, he'll have that at the Nebraska chowdah cook-off. Next in line, my ass.....

Posted by: Joejm65 at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (syDFX)

183 DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:12 PM (plesI)

OK, thanks.

Posted by: ed at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (Y2WVW)

184 I can't support Romney until I get a look at his trouser avatar.

Posted by: David Brooks at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (NiW1/)

185 How do you get rid of obamacare with the father of romneycare in charge? Just asking

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (i6RpT)

186 >>So let me get this right Palin supporters....it's okay for her to court
attention and be covered. What's not ok is to cover her in anything but
glowing terms?

Nope. Go right ahead. Reality is that she brings with her a sizable chunk of votes, though. Have any political strategists figured in what her unequivocal support for a candidate might net them? Her opposition? What might happen if a candidate cut her off at the knees? All's I'm saying is, consider that.

Posted by: 7 Chinese Spammers at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (xaCZY)

187 Mittens - should I buy this book: The Ultimate Depression Survival Guide: Protect Your Savings, Boost Your Income, and Grow Wealthy Even in the Worst of Times by Martin D. Weiss - or will your plan prevent it.

Posted by: Jean at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (WkuV6)

188 Uh oh, Drew's opinion is too lowbrow. Someone fetch the salts before the Palinistas get the vapors.

Posted by: brak at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (dyJte)

189 It�s also Republican presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney, who makes his bid official at a chili-cook off at a farm in New Hampshire today.>>>>>>>> 'Cause nothing says New Hampshire like....chili. Next stop? The Maple Syrup festival in New Mexico. What a fucking dick....
Posted by: Joejm65
Hey now. He already has plans to stop at the historic chinatown in Iowa and he's going sking in South Carolina!

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (Gzv/o)

190 If Drew were really trying to hide behind a tweet, as you said, would that link have been added to the post at all?

Because it was posted in the comments by someone with more sense. Why wasn�t it there to begin with? Did he really base his comments solely on a tweet?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (QF8uk)

191 Romney 2012. Because nothing will scare AQ more than a President with the nickname "Mittens".

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (CHrmZ)

192 Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:12 PM (+/eKV)

I get wood every time she takes a shot at the press. I like that part of her. But this bullshit tour of American values in a poorly disguised campaign bus is being too clever by half. What is she afraid of? That the press will be mean?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:18 PM (LH6ir)

193 ut when I post unflattering things about her I get, "you're trolling!" and "Why are you talking about her so much"?They don't mind happy Conservatives4Palin type coverage but attack any other kind.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:08 PM (plesI)
You can trash her without being a troll, but no one can defend her without being a Palinista. Is that the long and short of it?And just to save the lives of innocent straw men, I'm not a Palinista.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 01:18 PM (1fanL)

194 No chowdah? No, he'll have that at the Nebraska chowdah cook-off. Next in line, my ass.....

I think his campaign is probably reserving the chowdah for the South Carolina primary.

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 01:18 PM (0nqdj)

195 However, I will crawl over broken glass to vote for him or anyone else or anything else nominated to run against the Marxist in the Oval Office.
So say we all.
Romney just doesn't seem to be confrontational enough. This election is going to get rather nasty any way. Weakness such as that displayed by McClame in 2008 will insure another four years of the JEF and his merry plan to turn us into a third world shithole, complete with all the corruption and malfeasance that has made Chicago the envy of the nation.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 02, 2011 01:18 PM (d0Tfm)

196 "I think for Mitt to win, he needs a long bloody fight."
No, he just needs some Republican principles.
He doesn't have them.
He's a Democrat.
Not much difference between his policies and Barack Obama'spolicies that I can see. Not much differntiating him from Obamaexcept the cult religion, which will not play well in the heartland early primaries that will establish the terms of the fight for the White House.
We need a bloddy fight with Obama ... not Romney bloodying up our own candidate.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 01:18 PM (iIQ0a)

197 Ha. He really should have gone with a baked bean supper. Baked beans, ham, cole slaw, brown bread...New England type food.

Chowdah!
Say, it!

Posted by: Freddy Quimby at June 02, 2011 01:19 PM (VG0iV)

198 Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (2m1tz)

Are you fucking retarded? He destroyed health care too! That is fairly important. This isn't a campaign web site -- we expect people to think here.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:19 PM (LH6ir)

199 romney cut taxes 19 times in Mass. That is all a real Tea party person needs to hear

Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (2m1tz)
Which means he honestly believed that RomneyCare would save money. Judgment.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 01:19 PM (1fanL)

200
A brand new attitude?

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 12:55 PM

Romney has tweeted his liberalism -- weenie -- whatever, it makes no difference.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:19 PM (+/eKV)

201 179 romney cut taxes 19 times in Mass. That is all a real Tea party person needs to hear
Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM (2m1tz)
I am active in the TEA party, and I assure you Romneycare will be front and center in our minds as Obamacare, and with the same warm fuzzies.

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 01:19 PM (OlN4e)

202 Romney refused to raise state taxes and sold excess state property and cut back on expenses.

Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:19 PM (2m1tz)

203 "185 How do you get rid of obamacare with the father of romneycare in charge? Just asking"

You don't.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 02, 2011 01:19 PM (NiW1/)

204 Honestly, a part of me wishes she would get the nomination to see who her VP candidate would be. You know, because the Palin fans desperately need a fallguy.

Posted by: Anony at June 02, 2011 01:19 PM (7ahtU)

205 My dog has now entered the Republican primary.

Who is with us!

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (CHrmZ)

206 Posted by: nevergiveup at June 02, 2011 01:17 PM (i6RpT)

If you come up with a good answer to that, I'm guessing Mitt will pay you big bucks for it.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (plesI)

207 Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class.
-----------
It's called politics sport. I see you worked in the quitter thing too. Well sure he finished his term, it ended up hurting mass and destroy the cred of cons in the NE more. Forget palin slashed a budget during a surplus and left with 12 billion one, she is a quitter and could not have a fabulous term like mitt / sarc.

Hey lets run christie. He served 1.5 years as governor making youtube clips /drew m. Grow a pair

Posted by: The smallest weiner at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (YxyYj)

208 CharlieBrown'sDildoWhat is she afraid of? That the press will be mean?

What is your fixation with the leftist press? You know where she is. You know her message. What else do you want to know?

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (+sBB4)

209 Drew,I see what you did here, you evil genius. You made us forget all about weiners. Even if for that one brief moment.
Posted by: Cherry �

He did? He mentioned Romney (briefly).

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (Gzv/o)

210 When Mitts comes to Texas, I guess we'll be havinga Texas clambake. With hot and cold cider. And Massachusetts Toast.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (XBM1t)

211 Romney? No thanks. No more big government GOP candidates. If that's what we get, I'll go third party.

Posted by: cranky-d at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (2TU9p)

212 Government has already destroyed healthcare. There needs to be solutions from the states

Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:21 PM (2m1tz)

213 Not much difference between his policies and Barack Obama'spolicies that I can see.

Romney knows you need a vibrant economy to fund big government, which, at least, puts him light years ahead of Barry.

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:21 PM (GTbGH)

214 Romney is good. Us blog people need to compensate for the doppler effect Blogger Effect and realize that most voters don't see candidates the way we do. Romney can win, and he is smart, wise, and low-ego enough to actually fix things. Romney/West 2012!

Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at June 02, 2011 01:21 PM (+ScUT)

215 Stolen from a commenter at Gateway Pundit:

I don�t see how Romney can win against the
O. Both are trains heading in the same direction, except one is faster
than the other.The O has ObamaCare �. Mitt has Romney CareThe O is enacting Gun Control secretly �. Mitt made Massachusetts Assault Weapons Ban Permanent.The O grew government � Mitt did the same.The O wants to give the Dept of Energy more money. � Mitt wants to give the Department of Energy more moneyThe O believes in Global Warming �. Mitt believes in global warmingDo you see the pattern?The best we can say about Mitt is that he�ll make an oppressive and intrusive government MORE EFFICIENT. greatWe need a lumberjack to cut government by 50%. Mitt ain�t the man for the job. Ron Paul, Palin, or Cain can do it though.
Thought it was a good summary of Romney.

Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2011 01:21 PM (eeGvE)

216

We need a bloddy fight with Obama ... not Romney bloodying up our own candidate.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 01:18 PM

-------------------

On the second one, I think it will be the other way around.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:21 PM (+/eKV)

217 romney cut taxes 19 times in Mass. That is all a real Tea party person needs to hear

Romney needs to avoid all mention of the word " Massachusetts " for the next 18 months.

Posted by: Jean at June 02, 2011 01:21 PM (WkuV6)

218 Added: I bet Mitt's speech will be great.

LOL

Posted by: flurmf at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (uifmJ)

219 Palin is not ready to be President. We don't need our version of Obama with a vagina.

She'd make a great talk show host/ news commentator / GOTV and maybe even an RNC head because she's a money maker, but President? Jeebus, no.

That said, Romney is a slimey bastard shitball. Fuck him to hell

Posted by: The Man Between The Cans at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (qCIL0)

220
Soooo... the guy who forced people in his State to buy health insurance, is suddenly onboard with the Constitution?
How... nuanced...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (NtXW4)

221 Oh for fucks sake, THAT'S your argument against Palin?

How is her leaving office mid-term and moving on to do a reality TV show on TLC not a fantastic argument against Palin?

Posted by: taylork at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (5wsU9)

222
Both are trains heading in the same direction, except one is faster
than the other.

Another metaphor to enshrine.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (+/eKV)

223 90
58
>>Mitt lost ... to John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.

Reagan lost to Gerald Ford!

Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (+ScUT)

224
I think Romney would make a good President - most of the time. I worry that we might get a good administrator of Obama's state instead of a revolutionary (or counter-revolutionary) who'll tear down the crap that has been installed since 2009 (and, to be fair, some of the crap that's been installed since 2001).

It's hard to imagine any GOP candidate being worse than Obama. But that's not the right criteria this time. We need somebody who can not only not do Obama-stuff but reverse Obama-stuff.

Is Robespierre running?

(that's a joke, btw)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (B/FNw)

225 I am with toby - I will vote for anyone labeled R running against Obama. (Yes, that includes - God help me - Ron Paul.) I will not only vote for Romney, I will give money and volunteer and help drag him over the finish line as best I can. Because Obama has got to go. Of course Romney's not my first choice, but it's not really because of RomneyCare - honestly, the stuff about ObamaCare repeal will be settled by Congress anyway. If Congress sends President Romney an ObamaCare repeal bill, do you really think he will veto it? No, he won't. That's why it is much more important to keep the House majority, ensure that the Senate flips, and replace as many red state RINOs in Congress that we can (i.e., Hatch, Miss Lindsey).

Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (7mSYS)

226 If you come up with a good answer to that, I'm guessing Mitt will pay you big bucks for it.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (plesI)

Shit now I have a reason for living?

Posted by: nevergiveup at June 02, 2011 01:22 PM (i6RpT)

227 "Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class."
It's not so bad. She obviously thinks it's unacceptable to nominate someone who would mandate that people must buy healthcare.
He won't get his day because presidential politics is a contact sport. It's not like he was letting anyone have their day when he was merely an obvious candidate who hadn't announced yet.
Romney running at least forces other candidates to try to appear serious on business knowledge, but he wasn't an effective governor IMO. His state did not want him reelected, for example. Palin is also lacking.
It is amazing to me that our two front runners have not been reelected to their executive station. Both of them had short terms of office. One resigned, and the other was a bit absentee at the end.
Anyway, I am quite sure that Romney's campaign is critical of Palin. I suspect they won't be silent to let her have her day whenever she announces.

Posted by: Idiot at June 02, 2011 01:23 PM (Q3nWV)

228 the only way to clean out the communists out of our govt is to combat it with honesty and honor....not with a rino
only way to turn the country around is to do the very opposite of what obama has been doing and Palin is the only one who has the guts to do it......

socialists/communist/marxist hate her---
Palin MUST be our next PRESIDENT to save this country from further despair and destruction that the socialists have embedded into our govt.....
Palin can and will make sure all the "anita dunns" go back under the rocks they came out of...

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:23 PM (+/c0N)

229
Cool, I see that DrewM took this opportunity to troll Palin fans. Nice!

And this is because you are annoyed at Palin for disrupting Republican unity or something I suppose?

And the trolling helps that how?

Posted by: dan-O at June 02, 2011 01:23 PM (bRLuD)

230 Government has already destroyed healthcare. There needs to be solutions from the states

Romneycare: Proving state government can screw things up just as badly as the federal government!

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 01:23 PM (0nqdj)

231 Reagan lost to Gerald Ford!

The sitting President, IIRC.

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:24 PM (GTbGH)

232 I don't want Palin to run.

Mostly because Ace won't be able to post explicit or tastefully questionable ewoks.

No other reason.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:24 PM (CHrmZ)

233 The O is enacting Gun Control secretly �. Mitt made Massachusetts Assault Weapons Ban Permanent.
If that's true he just lost me for good. I was struggling with his draft dodging and Romneycare but that pretty much does it for me if true.

Posted by: robtr at June 02, 2011 01:24 PM (MtwBb)

234 A thought, either Cialis or
Viagra ought to put together an add spoofing the Weinergate story. Too
risque for a Rx ad? Come to think of it... has there ever been a Rx ad
that used humor?

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 02, 2011 01:09 PM (bAySe)
I always thought Pfizer missed an opportunity with Bob Dole by not having him just look straight into the camera, gesture with his bad arm, and say "you think this is stiff!"

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 02, 2011 01:24 PM (OtQXp)

235 Wow, Drew's Palin hate is pretty serious if he's pissed off that she's upstaging Romney, of all people. Romney? Really? You're pissed off for Romney? Now THAT'S more pathetic than Weiner's boner. At least he managed an erection.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at June 02, 2011 01:24 PM (4zKCA)

236 214 Romney is good. Us blog people need to compensate for the doppler effect Blogger Effect and realize that most voters don't see candidates the way we do. Romney can win, and he is smart, wise, and low-ego enough to actually fix things. Romney/West 2012!
Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at June 02, 2011 01:21 PM (+ScUT)
I completely agree, except for that Romney part.

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 01:24 PM (OlN4e)

237 "Mittens"??? Seriously? Someone's kidding, aren't they?
Palin hasthe right to say and do as she pleases. If the msm wants to make her a big star and quote her, that's not her fault. Either way, she's right. Romney is definitely going to have problems with the Tea Party. I lean towards the Tea Party, and I would definitely not vote for Romney.

Posted by: Former Lurker at June 02, 2011 01:25 PM (Z1gvr)

238 Mitt lost ... to John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.
Sarah ran ... with John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.

Posted by: Tainted x 2 at June 02, 2011 01:25 PM (wOaLi)

239 I've hit Romney pretty hard myself . . .
We always knew you had te ghey streak Drew.
And she's bashing Romney.
Palin just ripped apart Romneycare at Bunker Hill. Said Mitt will have problems with tea party folks
Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day?
Interpretation: "Leave my manfriend alone you harlot you."
Drew, that has to be one of the most pathetic posts I've ever read over here.

Posted by: 57 States at June 02, 2011 01:25 PM (kbH+o)

240 Romney/West 2012!
Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at June 02, 2011 01:21 PM (+ScUT) LOL.... West.. under.... Romney???Better put a LOT more Secret Service Agents into the Whitehouse then, to protect the POTUS, from VPOTUS...First time Romney flippy flopped... we'd have a replay of the West Iraq incident...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 02, 2011 01:25 PM (NtXW4)

241
our version of Obama with a vagina.

Dear God. Just for starters: What kind of advisors and judges do you think Palin would appoint?

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:26 PM (+/eKV)

242 Sarah ran ... with John McCain. That ought to be a career-ender right there.

Touche.

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:26 PM (GTbGH)

243 I bet a lot of voters in Mass wish Romney hadn't served that full term.

Palin probably could've waited a day to drop the Romney blast, but it's not like the substance of it was wrong in any way. She's right, RomneyCare is gonna be fucking Kryptonite to this guy, as it should be. He's the prototypical finger-in-the-wind politician who says and does whatever he thinks he supposed to say or do to please GOP voters at the moment. I see a bit of John Kerry in him, in that he's been "raised to be President", period. Not for any good reason or anything, but just because he has the bloodlines, the education, the hair and the opportunity to do so.

Posted by: holygoat at June 02, 2011 01:26 PM (reo+A)

244 Did someone mention trains?
They go WOOO WOOO!

Posted by: Joe Biden, Super Genius Train Engineer at June 02, 2011 01:26 PM (VIf5F)

245 I think some people who accuse others of being ardent Palin fanboys may be suffering from a mild case of Palin Derangement Syndrome. Just sayin'.

This fighting about Palin on so many threads is getting old, and some of the instigators are those who say they are tired of all Palin all the time.

It's not my blog, so whatever, and it's still my fave place on the net, so hopefully this will pass over (along with Weinergate).

I hadn't found this blog by the last primary season, so maybe this is normal.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 02, 2011 01:26 PM (sG+Bw)

246 Romney: Barack Obama has failed America

Palin: Government has failed America

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:26 PM (+sBB4)

247 Romney- The economy is in crisis today and unless we change course it'll be in crisis tomorrow.

Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:27 PM (2m1tz)

248 I hadn't found this blog by the last primary season, so maybe this is normal.

No, this is tame.

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:27 PM (GTbGH)

249 Voted for a RINO last time and I got a communist loving America hating D-Bag for POTUS not gonna do it again.

The GOP can get outta Sarahs' way or feel the rath of the anti-RINO conservatives who are always told who to vote for by the DC insiders who gave us Hussein.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry at June 02, 2011 01:27 PM (vXqv3)

250 a Texas clambake

That sounds dirty...or dangerous....or both

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 01:27 PM (5d6vv)

251 For the record, I supported Romney in '08. But I think RomneyCare, in the context of the Obama's HC legislation, makes him completely unacceptable. Not only could we loose to Obama, but also loose the HC debate once and for all, cementing Obamacare into a being a part of America's future. Unlike alot of people's opinions, I don't think Obama winning in '12 is the end of the world. There is still a chance for a momentous swing back to the GOP in '16 that could rollback most of the crap Obama has done.

If not for RomneyCare, I'd be content with him being the nominee. But as I see it, a vote for Romney now is a vote of endorsement for his and Obama's healthcare law.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 02, 2011 01:27 PM (bAySe)

252 The 'solutions from states' thing means nothing unless Romney says how.
Is he going to ObamaCare and not replace anything (even the pre-existing conditions denial changes) and send it all back to the states? If so, that would be great.
Anything less is just a shell game that gets us right back to the same place. His continued ideological support of mandates convinces me that he is going to just set standards for states that they can meet how they wish, which will inevitably be through mandates and subsidies.
I think he is a fucking coward who honestly believes in his policy positions and is going to use federal policy to 'coax' states into doing what he wants them to.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 01:27 PM (VoSja)

253
No other reason.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:24 PM

All right Marcus, who the fuck are you? You're getting to my funny bone.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (+/eKV)

254 What is your fixation with the leftist press? You know where she is. You know her message. What else do you want to know?

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:20 PM (+sBB4)
Try to read more carefully. I was making fun of the fact that no matter what she does the press will be critical of her. I was suggesting that there is some other motivation for her coyness. And I want to know her specific answers to specific policy questions. And if I can think of anything else I want to know that too! I have that right.As for my fixation on the press? Have you noticed that the press has a fair amount of power in this country and can even influence national elections? Do you know who our president is? Do you know who helped elect him?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (LH6ir)

255 Leave romney alone!.. No wait , not literally!! Wait , come back!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (bAL0J)

256 The date and location was announced at least a week ago, probably more. I
heard about Mitt's thing before I ever heard of her tour, let alone
specific dates on her tour.

The newspapers announced his plan last week. Just how far in advance to you think Palin had to make her plans and itinerary to be able to rent a specially painted bus?

Most likely months. This is just more bullshit from the MFM trying to foment dissension in the Republican Party.

We don't need to help them do that.

Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (M9Ie6)

257 *Lose* not Loose. (must get moore sleep).

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (bAySe)

258 a Texas clambake

To the Urban Dictionary!

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (GTbGH)

259 I hadn't found this blog by the last primary season, so maybe this is normal.

The post count isn't above 600, so it is definitely tame.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (7mSYS)

260 This was the case-cracker for Mittens;

"My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers
and they've chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I
respect their decision in that regard. One of the ways my sons are
showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they
think I'd be a great president."

We don't need another half-hearted CinC.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (CHrmZ)

261 Weinergate will never die! Never!

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2011 01:29 PM (OlN4e)

262 I hadn't found this blog by the last primary season, so maybe this is normal.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 02, 2011 01:26 PM (sG+Bw)
Pretty much, there were just a handful of us that didn't get into the McCain bashing last time, only that went right up to the election.

Posted by: robtr at June 02, 2011 01:29 PM (MtwBb)

263 In a sane world, the Democratic primary would have Romney and Trump challenging Obama

Posted by: Jean at June 02, 2011 01:29 PM (WkuV6)

264 I hate Sarah Palin

/ I wont be banned at some later date now, right? Am I in? Am I in?

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:29 PM (+sBB4)

265 However, I will crawl over broken glass to vote for him or anyone else or anything else nominated to run against the Marxist in the Oval Office.
Ditto. I'll vote for Skippy the Wonder Dog instead of JEF

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 02, 2011 01:29 PM (sbV1u)

266 Romney-Obama raises taxes, makes deals for union, his every answer is to take power from you and your states so his "experts" can rule.

Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:29 PM (2m1tz)

267 "I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term."

In the strictest sense only.

He was running for President for half of it.

I won't pretend this isn't a huge liability for Palin. While I like her, it's hard to see how she can win a general election. It's also hard to see how Romney can. He's basically like Palin in seriousness, but less consistent and far less credible for doing anything. I realize that low credibility also means he's less threatening as an agent of reform. I mean, we all know he isn't going to reform DC or be particularly conservative, right? He will say what he needs to in order to be nominated, and then he will run to the middle. He is nakedly political in selecting his positions, and he will keep that up if he's in office.

Is that better than Obama? Sure. Of course. But Romney can't win the nomination in today's climate where the right needs leadership over the exact kinds of politics that Romney practices.

It's just another turn of that saw on Palin. People note she simply has a very hard path to the white house. We have to be sober about the real prospect.

But Romney has an ever harder path to the white house. People just skip over the problem he will have being nominated, which makes his prospect look much brighter than it is. He will spend lots of money, and he will lose a lot of primary elections. He would lose to Christine O'Donnell in a Delaware Primary. Think about it. Fair or unfair, Mitt Romney has less chance of getting elected than Palin (Who I am also pessimistic about).

Posted by: Idiot at June 02, 2011 01:29 PM (Q3nWV)

268 "Romney cut taxes 19 times in Mass."
Horseshit.
He switched to calling them "fees" and raised every single fee the state of Massachusetts charges its residents for things they were already paying for by income taxes. Double taxation. That's what we got with Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney then signed legislation enacting a $2,000 tax increase against everyone who doesn't buy health insurance from Democrat Party campaign donors. Mitt Romney actually enriched Democrat Party donor coffers while he was in Massachusetts. He was a godsend to Democrat health insurance companies.
And that will cost him and the Republican Party the presidency if he receives the party's nomination.
Nothing will get me to vote for Barack Obama except Mitt Romney (or some other RINO candidate who has ever backed mandates). He gets the nominiation, I vote for a crippled powerless Obama and settle for the House and Senate handcuffing him.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 01:30 PM (iIQ0a)

269 Mitt. Eating Rocky Mountains Oysters in Denver.

There is a really good metaphor somewhere in that event...

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:30 PM (CHrmZ)

270 I hadn't found this blog by the last primary season, so maybe this is normal.

Oh no, wait until we get closer to the election. That's when it gets interesting.

One thing I'd like to note, this blog's commentators was overwhelmingly ecstatic when McCain announced Palin as his running mate.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 01:30 PM (5d6vv)

271 So its Sarah Palin's fault if the media flips out because she's riding a motorcycle ? Should Palin plan her every move based on trying to minimize the media's interest in each possibility ?
Good lord.
THIS.
I think some people who accuse others of being ardent Palin fanboys may be suffering from a mild case of Palin Derangement Syndrome. Just sayin'. This fighting about Palin on so many threads is getting old, and some of the instigators are those who say they are tired of all Palin all the time. and THIS.
I like what Palin is doing. Making the MFM follow her. I'm still a Palin skeptic, but what she is doing to the MFM is great.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 02, 2011 01:30 PM (ujg0T)

272 I'll vote for Skippy the Wonder Dog instead of JEF

I need to tell you about some animal pics I sent last year
- Skippy

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:30 PM (+sBB4)

273 Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:26 PM (+/eKV)

Not sure what he meant there. The least of my worries is what Palin would do as president. And if we could skip the whole messy "election" thing, I would support her.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:31 PM (LH6ir)

274 Ditto. I'll vote for Skippy the Wonder Dog instead of JEF.
Fudd '012!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 02, 2011 01:31 PM (d0Tfm)

275
What is she afraid of?

See, that's more of the MBM delusions about her. I avoid pix of Democrat Congresscreep's penises -- not because I'm afraid of them, and not because I'm engaged in a coy flirtation.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:32 PM (+/eKV)

276 Interpretation: "Leave my manfriend alone you harlot you."
Posted by: 57 States at June 02, 2011 01:25 PM (kbH+o)

Guess you didn't bother to read the link where I wrote a year ago:

Republicans need the issue to be a clean and clear choice...we have
to nominate someone who was opposed to ObamaCare from the start. Only
then will the focus stay on Obama and what he has wrought.

Sorry Mitt, for all your other strengths, on this issue you simply aren't the clear cut anti-Obama we need.

Funny, he doesn't sound like my guy, does he?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:32 PM (plesI)

277 I don't know if any of you noticed, but there's a new, fresh feeling in the air. That feeling is freedom. At last, the little guys, the working men & women, the cute little midgets who iron my socks have a voice, and only one candidate could have given them that voice.

The ultimate outsider, a man who has spent the last 5 years forcing people to buy things they don't want, has finally announced that he's going to be giving that same loving care to all Americans. This is a man who needs a chance to let the People hear his voice, instead of being drowned out by shrill, ice-harpies, violent rapists, and the GOP establishment who want to murder your grandmother.

Won't you volunteer a dollar or two? Or just give some of your hard-earned quatloos? Or, if you don't have any galactically recognized currencies, maybe you can contribute a few hours a week to shaking down your wealthy relatives. Remember, every kidney punch brings all of us one step closer to ridding the United States of the scourge of proles who use their fork in their right hands. Ugh.

Posted by: DanM. at June 02, 2011 01:32 PM (lT0LC)

278 Until Palin announces her nomination for Presidency, I'm completely ignoring her in the context of primary discussions.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 01:32 PM (VoSja)

279 FYI
obama with a vagina is anita dunn, sotomajor, kagan

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:32 PM (+/c0N)

280 All hail the squish! He tells you what you want to hear - don't listen to that mean Sarah.
Of course, Drew M., when you revert to using lib attacks (like/don't like Palin, it doesn't matter) it is not surprising you are all for the RINO.
Conservative much?

Posted by: OOzer at June 02, 2011 01:33 PM (AoVZp)

281 I vote for a crippled powerless Obama and settle for the House and Senate handcuffing him.
And of course, we won't have that either. Why --- cause if you aren't going to vote for aRINO for President, you really want me and others to believe4 that you will vote for a RINO for House, for Senate. And your gonna need a few of them to get the Senate.
And of course, your brillant plan all rests in the hands of John Boehner.
Good plan. Good plan.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 01:33 PM (OWjjx)

282
Ditto. I'll vote for Skippy the Wonder Dog instead of JEFPosted by: Sean Bannion at June 02, 2011 01:29 PM (sbV1u) Well.... I did announce my candidacy, but that dang Palin showed up in the State and everyone ignored me...

Posted by: Skippy the Wonder Dog at June 02, 2011 01:33 PM (NtXW4)

283 I bet a lot of voters in Mass wish Romney hadn't served that full term.

He was a better governor than Deval Patrick (which isn't hard), but he wasn't what he was hyped to be. His one pure accomplishment was getting Billy Bulger ousted from UMass. There wasn't anything else he could really do, and it became clear he was really here to just pad out the resume for the 2008 run once he 'solved' healthcare.

I'd vote for him again if he ran for governor, and I'd vote for him if through some miracle he's our nominee, but my expectations for him are extremely low. He's not some ardent fighter for the conservative way. He's not some brilliant administrator who can outmaneuver liberals (like say, Giuliani did or Christie is able to do). He's a very flawed Republican you vote for because he's the only game in town and he has an R after his name.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 02, 2011 01:33 PM (TpXEI)

284 chique d'afrique; the Palin thing is an ego/id issue -- we love her, what she says, and who see pisses off; it's the practical business of winning that hurts.

Posted by: Jean at June 02, 2011 01:33 PM (WkuV6)

285 Not sure what he meant there. The least of my
worries is what Palin would do as president. And if we could skip the
whole messy "election" thing, I would support her.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:31 PM

Fear not, I'm not hanging that bizarre summation around your neck.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:33 PM (+/eKV)

286 GenericRepublican/Token'12

Posted by: I stole this from someone else at June 02, 2011 01:34 PM (GTbGH)

287 How a thread about Romney turned into a gratuitous discussion of vagina's is just one of those things I will never understand.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:34 PM (CHrmZ)

288 The newspapers announced his plan last week. Just how far in advance to you think Palin had to make her plans and itinerary to be able to rent a specially painted bus?Most likely months. This is just more bullshit from the MFM trying to foment dissension in the Republican Party. We don't need to help them do that.
THIS too. Again, we can have a rational debate about Palin running. I honestly prefer she does not run and instead sets up a PAC to back good GOP congress and senatecritters. But I am pleased she is pulling the MFM's tail.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 02, 2011 01:34 PM (ujg0T)

289 Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:32 PM (+/eKV)

Then she should stop fucking around and declare. Or not. I hope she doesn't because she is extremely valuable as a pain in the ass to every democrat in the world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:35 PM (LH6ir)

290 The question is moot.
No, it's moop.

Posted by: George Costanza at June 02, 2011 01:35 PM (tk5O7)

291
Brokeback mandate . Mitt Romney!!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 02, 2011 01:35 PM (bAL0J)

292 Ditto on your sentiment, DrewM.

If Perry jumps in, he'll blow them both out of them out of the water.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 01:35 PM (pW2o8)

293 Hiding behind federalism because your health care plan has become unpopular is not an acceptable position.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 01:35 PM (VoSja)

294 But Romney has an ever harder path to the white house. People just skip over the problem he will have being nominated, which makes his prospect look much brighter than it is. He will spend lots of money, and he will lose a lot of primary elections. He would lose to Christine O'Donnell in a Delaware Primary. Think about it. Fair or unfair, Mitt Romney has less chance of getting elected than Palin (Who I am also pessimistic about).
Posted by: Idiot

Oh Dear God. I'm having flashbacks. Make it stop.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 02, 2011 01:35 PM (Gzv/o)

295 Palin is rapidly turning into a simple attention whore. Very un-classy to step on Mitt's announcement when she is still playing coy about her own, and it isn't very Reaganish to attack another Republican in his own backyard.
Sounds like poor widdle Mitt needs to learn how to fight like a girl.

Posted by: Estrogen 2.0 at June 02, 2011 01:36 PM (Ew27I)

296
obama with a vagina is anita dunn, sotomajor, kagan Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:32 PM (+/c0N)
Wrong.Obama with a vagina is...Obama.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:36 PM (LH6ir)

297 I have never understood why anyone would think, that voluntarily giving up the power of the Governor of a State is a negative.

Sarah Palin should be commended for making that sacrifice.. Not ridiculed.

You know what the worst thing about politics is?

F**king Politicians.

Sarah Palin is not a politician... Mitt Romney IS.

Posted by: franksalterego at June 02, 2011 01:36 PM (7/sDI)

298 #I am penimistic about Romney's chances.!

Posted by: Weiner at June 02, 2011 01:36 PM (CHrmZ)

299 FNC bails on Mittens, then CNN. Dam* you Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Drew Hewitt at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM (K/USr)

300 >>The 'solutions from states' thing means nothing unless Romney says how.

So you want another president who tells states what to do and sues them when they do things he doesn't like as Obama has done with Arizona?

He's been saying for months that if he was elected the first thing he would do would be to grant all 50 states waivers from Obamacare and let them do what they want. How is that a bad thing?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM (TMB3S)

301 Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:33 PM (+/eKV)

Huh?

Get a sense of humor.

Are YOU worried about a Palin presidency? What would she do that disturbs you?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM (LH6ir)

302 Are rinos varmints?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM (bAL0J)

303 How a thread about Romney turned into a gratuitous discussion of vagina's is just one of those things I will never understand.
Posted by: Marcus

Us men understand how EVERYTHING revolves around that Land of Mystery.
Loss of man card for the remainder of the thread, still first down.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM (Gzv/o)

304 Palin said that the reason she resigned as Governor was that the avalanche of frivolous lawsuits directed at her by leftwing MoonBats were making it impossible for her to govern, and the laws of the State of Alaska required her to pay the costs of defending herself. She said that her resignation was in her own best interest and also in the best interest of the State of Alaska. Please identify which part of thisanalysis you find fault with.

Now, as to your boy Romney, if you would like to hear which part of his analysis I find fault with, it's the part where he said the individual mandate was right for Massachusetts. That's the exact, precise location of the flaw, and I'm afraid that I can't see how he would be any better as President than the one we have now, since they are in perfect agreement on the most consequential domestic policy debate of the last five years.

Posted by: NotSoFast at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM (eQa5p)

305 I like Sarah Palin and the shaking up effect she has add on the establishment. Shes a fighter and she can wield her sword everyday in her Media role. She seems like a fish in water. President is more a"general" role where troop confidence in you is more important then any strategy. Different personalities different roles, great generals often don't make good soldiers and visa versa. I was with Margaret Thatcher in person and I lived a few miles from Sarah Palin and know many of her neighbors. So when I see her I am not confused by the cultural differences most people get lost in, Sarah is many things a Thatcheresque general is not one of them. Shes a fighter, lock her up in the tent in endless strategy sessions and you'll waste her talent.

For those of you who wish to throw her overboard, maybe you all have forgotten the R comatose lonely Bush years of 2005+? I sure has hell haven't. The arguing online for principles of freedom back then was lonely lonely business. No online conservative reinforcements against a riled up relentless leftist mob with no leaders with executive responsibilities to tie them to reality. Bushs' conservativism like leftists (but unlike Regan's) was an incoherent and unsymmetrical ideology.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM (mLAWK)

306 Personally? I think she's trying, in her own way, to impose a little 'tough love' on the GOP. Your mileage may vary on the merits and results.

No, I don't think she's running. But I could be wrong. Wouldn't be a first.

Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord� at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (GBXon)

307 Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2011 01:28 PM (M9Ie6)

It's not about dates, it's about class.

Would it have killed Palin to say, "Mitt's making his announcement today. I'm not going to talk about whatever differences we may have right now. Let's hear what he has to say and focus on our common goal of defeating Barack Obama".

Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI)

308 omg
@charliebrown
lol
co-workers are staring at me....

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (+/c0N)

309 I am pretty sure Chris Christie has a vagina also.

Ducks.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:39 PM (CHrmZ)

310 Sarah Palin is even stealing this thread from Romney. Classy.

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:39 PM (GTbGH)

311 RNC and Barry doing high-fives -together they've found a RINO that can give away the election.
*yawn*

Posted by: chuck in st paul at June 02, 2011 01:39 PM (EhYdw)

312 He's been saying for months that if he was elected the first thing he would do would be to grant all 50 states waivers from Obamacare and let them do what they want. How is that a bad thing?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM (TMB3S)Very simple... a WAIVERwould just stop enforcment while he was in Office... it is NOT PERMANENT!Next President could put it right back in...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 02, 2011 01:39 PM (NtXW4)

313 "if you aren't going to vote for a RINO for President, you really want me and others to believe4 that you will vote for a RINO for House, for Senate."
Depends on what my options are. But if those are my options, then I will vote for Democrats over RINOs so as to foce the Republican Party rightward. I'll happilysacrifice short-term benefit for long-term real change.
Mitt will work with Democrats to enact their legislation just like he did in Massachusetts. He'll be bi-partisan. That's bad politics for Republicans and bad policy for America.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 01:39 PM (iIQ0a)

314 #300
I agree that he shouldn't tell the states what to do, but I don't believe that is what he intends to do.
Do you really think he is going to repeal pre-existing condition denial changes on the federal level? I don't. Without that change, you have to have mandates and all the nonsense that goes with it.
Romney's 'federalism' stance is nothing more than an evasive non-answer meant to help him skirt the issue until the general election.
In the general election, I completely expect him to say something like 'states should be able to come up with their own programs provided that they do x, y, and z'.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 01:40 PM (VoSja)

315 Half the time I am laughing and half the time I am fuming.

That's why I read this blog!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:40 PM (LH6ir)

316 Mitt Romney , from the GOP you know and love.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 02, 2011 01:40 PM (bAL0J)

317 I won't vote for any Republican until Barry declares his hates for them.

Glowing agreement gets extra demerits.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:40 PM (CHrmZ)

318 I dont mind a bit of healthy friction between Palin and Romney but waste no blood on allies when we are surrounded by enemies.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2011 01:41 PM (mLAWK)

319 Really? You as a non-candidate can't let the guy have a day? All class. So, Drew, let me ask you this: do you always have your girlie head shoved up your ass that far?
Romney announces. Big deal. Quit blaming Palin for attracting attention - if Mitt can't get his campaign going above a whisper, he's DOOMED.

Posted by: Mrs. SpankMe at June 02, 2011 01:41 PM (8DdAv)

320 Well lets consider the proxy vote in California, with Meg Whitman, and the 150 million campaign, helmed by Mike 'Iceberg' Murphy, which worked out almost
as well, as the other race, that will go unnamed,, for now.

Posted by: Randolph Duke at June 02, 2011 01:41 PM (YGNmh)

321 Posted by: chuck in st paul at June 02, 2011 01:39 PM (EhYdw)
Your comment is beyond stupid. Yea, the RNC wants to lose the election. Cause all those establishment guys want to foresake the possiblity of government gigs.
Gawd, the RNC has plenty of issues - just not that one.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 01:41 PM (OWjjx)

322 One thing I'd like to note, this blog's commentators was overwhelmingly
ecstatic when McCain announced Palin as his running mate.

Overabundance makes the heart grow skeptical.

Posted by: Tainted x 2 at June 02, 2011 01:42 PM (wOaLi)

323 Very simple... a WAIVERwould just stop enforcment while he was in Office... it is NOT PERMANENT!Next President could put it right back in...
---In fairness to Romney, he stated (in March, I believe) that he would sign a repeal of Obamacare.
My concern with him is that he talks about repeal and replace... and I don't feel confident about what the replacement would be. And his ethanol subsidy stance was just plain dumb.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 01:42 PM (pW2o8)

324 Nice line on serving out his term, Drew.
Don't think if St. Sarah runs that she's not going to be pilloried for that little move- no matter the excuses.
I'm at the point where I would have trouble supporting her with any passion over crap like poaching on Romney's moment- it's classless and reeks of ego when it happens 8 fukkin months before a primary.
She would be a blowout general election loss waiting to happen.

Posted by: jjshaka at June 02, 2011 01:42 PM (3SnjI)

325 One thing I'd like to note, this blog's commentators was overwhelmingly ecstatic when McCain announced Palin as his running mate.
yep

Posted by: eleven at June 02, 2011 01:42 PM (7DB+a)

326 I only read this blog for the dirty poster names like Mrs Spankme.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:42 PM (CHrmZ)

327 Palin will nominate our next Supreme Court Justice ( and you can be sure he/she will be more like Clarence/Roberts )
obama cannot be given another opportunity to get another communist into our court system
Palin will choose the RIGHT judges...
Another rino will choose another rino judge....

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:43 PM (+/c0N)

328 Let's hear what he has to say and focus on our common goal of defeating Barack Obama".

Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?
Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI) Here is your Cognitive disconnect.The 'Goal' is NOT to defeat Obama... the Goal is to get our F'n country back from Progresives.,.... you know... those Government hacks who want to be able to Run our Lives???? Like... oh... telling us we HAVE to buy somthing?Putting an R behind your name, does not suddenly make youoff limits... whether its the day you "UNEXPECTADLE" (wow, learning from the MSM there) announce your candidacy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 02, 2011 01:43 PM (NtXW4)

329 94
So let me get this right Palin supporters....it's okay for her to court
attention and be covered. What's not ok is to cover her in anything but
glowing terms?

Got it.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:00 PM (plesI)

Nice straw man...

Posted by: sigh at June 02, 2011 01:43 PM (+mQW9)

330 Palin was played by the media. They wanted some drama with Romney on his news day, and she fed it to them.

Posted by: Romney2012 at June 02, 2011 01:43 PM (2m1tz)

331 #312
Not just that, waivers for policy often have to show that you are meeting the same goals as the original policy.
Ask any Republican governor who has tried to get a waiver for Medicare or job training programs. It is difficult.
Let's say that ObamaCare has to provide health insurance for 98% of a state's population and not deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Waivers often say 'do these things in your own way'. How the hell will states be able to do this without mandates?
This is the point. Romney still believes that his health care plan is correct. This is nothing more than a ploy to take him to the general where we will all realize that his plan was to get states to 'choose' to do what they had no other choice but to do.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 01:43 PM (VoSja)

332 In fairness to Romney, he does have better hair than Palin.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:43 PM (CHrmZ)

333
Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:16 PM

Oh please tell me there's a hidden "c" after "ny." Could we actually have such a creature in our midst?

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:43 PM (+/eKV)

334 If there's a clear Mitt/Someone else choice early on, he could be in trouble.

Depends who the someone else is. I would guess that Romney wins a Romney/Palin, Romney/Bachmann or Romney/Huntsman contest. It's much harder to predict a Romney/Pawlenty, Romney/Perry or Romney/Gingrich contest.

Posted by: doug at June 02, 2011 01:44 PM (iq/yq)

335 >>Very simple... a WAIVER would just stop enforcment while he was in Office... it is NOT PERMANENT!

I should have added that the waiver was step 1. A full repeal of Obamacare was step. He would do the waiver from preventing any more cost or regulations from taking affect because it was immediate and a full repeal would take time as it would have to be worked through the Congress.

Better?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 01:44 PM (TMB3S)

336
obama with a vagina is anita dunn, sotomajor, kagan Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:32 PM (+/c0N)
Wrong.Obama with a vagina is...Obama.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:36 PM (LH6ir)
That and I'm pretty sure that one of those "women" has a dick...

Posted by: Hedgehog at June 02, 2011 01:44 PM (Rn2kl)

337 Sarah Palin is not a politician... Mitt Romney IS.

What an odd statement. Of course she's a politician. She may not currently hold elected office, but she is a political figure.

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 01:44 PM (0nqdj)

338 OReally? and "The Toe Sucker" love them some Romney, I think CK also has a case of the tingles, enough reason for me right there to run for the tall grass looking for a Conservative.
No Newt, No Huckleberry, no Romneycare and no Good and Plenty at the top of my ticket.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (vXqv3)

339 Palin has (the media) so discombobulated. They're beside themselves. You should see the crowds she's drawing in Massachusetts. Loving, adoring crowds. Not one protester.

--Rush Limbaugh

Posted by: Estrogen 2.0 at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (Ew27I)

340 I love how Rush loves Palin!!
don't forget that
85 MILLION watches the biden/PALIN debate!!!!

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (+/c0N)

341 This use to be such a light-heated blog of merriment.

Than Ace deleted the FOTUS post and it was all down-hill.

Can't we all just- get along? sniff.

Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (CHrmZ)

342 Mitt = shitt

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (speED)

343 Romney as the nominee will allow the democrats to tell America that all of our objections to Obamacare were lies and demagoguery.

After all, how can we attack Obama for his unconstitutional mandate when Romney supports the same thing?

We will not be able to defend that. Sure, we will try, but we will be lying when we do it.

It will prove to everyone that our objections were just politics and not principle. It will make us look like hypocrites, and we will be.

Therefore, I will never support him.

Posted by: Dan at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (mXBxH)

344 "... and now you are chiding a private citizen for not appropriately deferring to someone declaring themselves a candidate for POTUS."
Couldn't have said it better myself. Find your big-boy pants, Drew, and quit your whining.

Posted by: Sarah Palin's Tour Bus at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (8DdAv)

345 >>This is the point. Romney still believes that his health care plan is correct.

You should have listened to the speech.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (TMB3S)

346 The important thing that Drew needs to take away from this post is that every time he posts glowingly about Mitt Romney and attempts to stifle other candidates debate about his sell-out of the Republican Party, things are going to get nasty really quickly.
Mitt doesn't own this party. He has to EARN this nomination by his advancement of REPUBLICAN policies ... not Barack Obama's policies.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (iIQ0a)

347 Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI)
There were a lot of people defending Krauthammer and Rove when they announced O'Donnell was going to lose in Delaware. Now that the shoe is on the other foot and it's a squish getting crucified, I'm not very sympathetic.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 02, 2011 01:46 PM (TpXEI)

348 Palin is keeping the RINOs pent up to the right by staying in the spotlight. I think her entire mission is to not allow another McCain anywhere near the WH.

Posted by: mark c at June 02, 2011 01:46 PM (SBIko)

349 Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI)

No, getting Romney out of the discussion is critical -- hell, I want Rudy in just to kill Mitten's "mandate" coming out of NH.

Posted by: Jean at June 02, 2011 01:46 PM (WkuV6)

350 That's fine Drew, so he's not your manfriend. So this post was simply meant to get your Palin-hate on again?

Posted by: 57 States at June 02, 2011 01:46 PM (kbH+o)

351 New posts up. Flee! Save yourselves!

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:46 PM (GTbGH)

352 Man if I was a governor that put a 93% top tax rate on oil producers when people are struggling with the high costs of driving, electricity and goods transportation - if i were her - I would be a little more tempered in my remarks about someone else's record

Even more so when the critic has spending increases that made Romney care look financially attractive...

Posted by: EricPWJohnson at June 02, 2011 01:46 PM (LFKqv)

353
One thing I'd like to note, this blog's commentators was
overwhelmingly ecstatic when McCain announced Palin as his running mate.
yep

----

Absolutely. And I was one of them. I even donated to their campaign after Fred! broke my heart. I thought she was a great VP pick.

But she's lost me, even as a VP pick and never had me as a POTUS pick, even before she resigned.

I'd vote for her vs Obama (or any Democrat), but I wouldn't work for her.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 01:47 PM (pW2o8)

354 @JackStraw
Mitt Romney has said repeatedly that he believes that RomneyCare - and its $2,000 tax increase on all citizens who refuse to buy insurance from Democrats - is the best policy for Massachusetts taxpayers.
He wants all other states to have the power to implement this plan.
Wrong. For. America. Forcing Americans to buy things from Democrats is wrong for America.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 01:47 PM (iIQ0a)

355 Palin will not only REPEAL the stupid healthcare law---she will deregulate EVERYTHING so American businesses can go back to work--can go back to doing what we do best----
the thought of Palin receiving the world leaders into the White House !!!---omg---I would love to see.....
She's so beautiful and everyone is afraid of her----THAT ROCKS!!!!

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:48 PM (+/c0N)

356 You should have listened to the speech.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM
---
JackStraw,
Do you know if the full text is posted anywhere? I looked for it on his exploratory committee web site - and did a general web search - the day after the speech, but I couldn't find it.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 01:49 PM (pW2o8)

357 Depends on what my options are. But if those are my options, then I will vote for Democrats over RINOs so as to foce the Republican Party rightward. I'll happilysacrifice short-term benefit for long-term real change.
More brillant political advice from someone who has no friggin clue.
But, here we go. Your strategy sorked so well with the election of Senators Angle, Buck and O'Donnell in 2010. Oh, not to mention rock star Senator Alan Keyes from Illinois, elected in 2004.
I know,I know, Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina and a whole host of RINOS from deep blue states - yea, cause Alan Keyes would have won California this year.
And short term setbacks - I'm happy yopu consider Obamacare a "short term setback". Most of us considered it a friggin disaster. But you are the long term thinker.
And really, aren't you punching down responding to me.....I'm not nearly as smart as you are.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 01:49 PM (OWjjx)

358 What?

Posted by: Drew, with chum bucket in hand at June 02, 2011 01:49 PM (agD4m)

359 It's not about dates, it's about class.Would
it have killed Palin to say, "Mitt's making his announcement today. I'm
not going to talk about whatever differences we may have right now.
Let's hear what he has to say and focus on our common goal of defeating
Barack Obama".Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI)
Class? This ain't beanbag son.And look. Mitt Romney's problem is not Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney's problem is Mitt Romney.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 01:49 PM (1fanL)

360
Huh?Get a sense of humor.
Are YOU worried about a Palin presidency? What would she do that disturbs you?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 02, 2011 01:37 PM

------------------

Huh? Get a sense of context. You said "Not sure what he meant by that" -- "that" being the bizarre summation of Sarah as Obama + vagina. I'm saying I'm not holding you responsible for that.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:50 PM (+/eKV)

361 Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (iIQ0a)

Just curious but does the post where I say he can't be the nominee count as posting about him "glowingly"?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:50 PM (plesI)

362 It's not about dates, it's about class.Would
it have killed Palin to say, "Mitt's making his announcement today. I'm
not going to talk about whatever differences we may have right now.
Let's hear what he has to say and focus on our common goal of defeating
Barack Obama".Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI)
If she isn't in the race, why does it matter?
And why are you complaining about someone smacking down a candidate whom you yourself do not think is good for the job, or the country?Obama won't be defeated with half measures and George Will/David Brooks-approved pants and pant creases. If Romney's a non-starter (and he is), then why the flaming hell does it matter?

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 01:50 PM (Cy/Q5)

363 17 Palin is rapidly turning into a simple attention whore. Very un-classy to step on Mitt's announcement when she is still playing coy about her own, and it isn't very Reaganish to attack another Republican in his own backyard.

So, rockmom, did Mittens give the appropriate notice to the world not to step on HIS DAY? Is Palin's lack of clairvoyancy another mark against her? You entered Drew-World with that observation.

Posted by: Grow Up Ya Moron at June 02, 2011 01:51 PM (8DdAv)

364 This KY Palinista will take a one-half term Mama bear from the right over a full term RomneyCare mandating mittens conveinent flip flopper anyday. There I said it.

Posted by: KY Palinista at June 02, 2011 01:51 PM (plLN9)

365 Stupid work. I'm late to the thread. Again.
Palin's vapid celebrity act has gotten old. It reeks of a pointless attention-whoring attempt to keep the legitimate candidates from drawing attention and earning potential from her reality TV persona.
Act like a shallow celebrity, expect to get treated as one- if the MSM takes a gossip column approach to her, it's only because she brought it upon herself.
If Romney is able to advance Federalist principles in the race, I'm all for it. I still don't trust him after the nonstop pandering and platitudes of his last campaign and he's definitely not my first choice. To beat an incumbent, however, we're going to have to do one hell of a lot better than Palin's shallow diva act.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 01:52 PM (SY2Kh)

366 Absolutely. And I was one of them. I even donated to their campaign
after Fred! broke my heart. I thought she was a great VP pick. But she's lost me, even as a VP pick and never had me as a POTUS pick, even before she resigned. I'd vote for her vs Obama (or any Democrat), but I wouldn't work for her.

Pretty much where I'm at. I don't think she's gonna run. I think she's gonna throw her considerable fund raising skills behind Perry. And then I think she will receive a cabinet position (Sec of Energy) when he's elected.

But, I'm an optimist. However, if it does happen, you read it here first!

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 01:52 PM (5d6vv)

367 Palin is kingmaker, all she's doing is saying here, "This ain't your guy, GOP, capice?" Don't kid yourself, as long as she maintains her status with the grassroots, she has an override on any candidate, or can select any candidate she wants as long as she doesn't pick some total goober like Trump, or if she wants she can run and quite possibly win the nomination. You can bitch about it all you want, but it's a waste of time to do so, it's like trying to stop the tide.

Posted by: doubleplusundead at June 02, 2011 01:52 PM (JgPF+)

368 now work in nyc (lived in nyc 96'-2005--got PRICED OUT !)
live in nj (WITH A CAR!!)
PALIN 2012
and
2016 !!!!!

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 01:52 PM (+/c0N)

369 Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:50 PM (plesI)
Drew, Drew, Drew you silly boy.
If your not with Palin - then you must be stopped. Facts are not to be a hinderance in this primary objective.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 01:52 PM (OWjjx)

370 #357 Angle and O'Donnell are sufficient evidence to support your case.

As you know, there were some other things going on with Buck's race, and Keye's parachuted in at the last minute. Best to probably leave them unmentioned.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 02, 2011 01:53 PM (agD4m)

371 Perry > Barry

Posted by: toby928� at June 02, 2011 01:53 PM (GTbGH)

372 >>Do you know if the full text is posted anywhere? I looked for it on his exploratory committee web site - and did a general web search - the day after the speech, but I couldn't find it.

Not that I know of but the speech was streamed live online in a few places. I doubt it's going to change many minds in the rightosphere anyway.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 01:53 PM (TMB3S)

373 I can't remember, mpur, what do you think of Perry?

To me he seems head and shoulders above the rest of the field of declared and likely candidates (at least the ones listed over at that Hot Air poll). I'm not saying he's my dream candidate, but he seems solid in terms of his background, his demeanor (including a willingness to go toe-to-toe with Obama), and his accomplishments (allowing that he can take credit for Texas' success even if a good part of that came from the legislature). I think he can win and I think he's conservative enough.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 01:55 PM (pW2o8)

374 Not that I know of but the speech was streamed live online in a few
places. I doubt it's going to change many minds in the rightosphere
anyway.

Yeah, I know it was live, but I missed it. I think it's a mistake that his campaign hasn't posted it.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 01:56 PM (pW2o8)

375 I only read this blog for the dirty poster names like Mrs Spankme.
Posted by: Marcus at June 02, 2011 01:42 PM (CHrmZ)

Oh, grow up.

Posted by: Peter Gozinya at June 02, 2011 01:56 PM (VIf5F)

376 Weiner replaced his hard drive with a Sex Drive

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 01:56 PM (+sBB4)

377
(lived in nyc 96'-2005--got PRICED OUT !)

You had the sense to move instead of becoming insolvent? That's every bit as good as nycgal could be.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 01:56 PM (+/eKV)

378 As you know, there were some other things going on with Buck's race, and Keye's parachuted in at the last minute. Best to probably leave them unmentioned.
Buck may get a pass (and I excluded the WV race for that reason) but Keyes didn't "parachute" in he actively manuevered his way into the nomination after it became open. And Keyes fits the overall point - some places you are not going to be able to nominate the "most conservative": candidate because that message isn't going to work. A Kirk can win in Illinois - anda Kirk is better than a Durbin.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 01:56 PM (OWjjx)

379 >>He wants all other states to have the power to implement this plan.

Or not. Does the or not part of this even register or are you too busy not punching down? He's only said about a thousand times that the plan that was ultimately instituted in MA was 1) not the plan he had put forward, it was changed radically and made more expensive by a veto proof legislature and 2) not the plan for every state.

This is such a red herring at this point that no matter what he says people like you will never listen. Fine, go vote for someone else. I may too. But not on made up shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 01:58 PM (TMB3S)

380 If Romney wants to be taken seriously, first he needs to repeal Romneycare. I don't care how much he tries to distance because he owns it. I don't care he's no longer governor. He needs to owe up and demand that Mass. repeal it asap.

Posted by: Broomer at June 02, 2011 01:59 PM (pyDX0)

381 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 01:52 PM (OWjjx)

Pretty much, yeah.

Funny thing is, I've been pretty clear about my support for a Christie run and I went after him yesterday. Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone on Team Palin gave me grief over that.

I also have been giving Pawlenty a look and my last post on him was negative.

Again, not a problem.

Only one candidate personality may not be spoken ill of.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:59 PM (plesI)

382 Depends on what my our options are. But if those are my our options, then I we
will vote for Democrats Obama over RINOs Palin so as to force the Republican Party
rightward to nominate Jeb in 2016. We're not done yet. Third time's a charm.

Posted by: GHW & "Bar" Bush at June 02, 2011 01:59 PM (Ew27I)

383 I can't remember, mpur, what do you think of Perry? I think he can win and I think he's conservative enough.

Pretty much this.^

When Perry first assumed the governorship, I was not a fan. To me, he rode into the post of Lt Gov on Bush's coattails. But, I think he has proven himself to be very good for Texas, and he is very popular.

His campaign slogan could very simply be: There are jobs in Texas.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 01:59 PM (5d6vv)

384 If Romney can't handle a bus tour from a non candidate, how the hell is he going to stand up during debates, or against the leftist media onslaught?

No one is forcing anyone to cover anything. Everyone is making a choice.

It is going to be fun when Sarah runs to see all the people who said she was not running try to make her defeat happen. You see they will be wrong, so then they will have to harm her anyway they can so so she loses in order to have their fragile egos remain somewhat intact.

Posted by: Dan at June 02, 2011 01:59 PM (mXBxH)

385 He wants all other states to have the power to implement this plan.
Wrong. For. America. Forcing Americans to buy things from Democrats is wrong for America.
All other states already have the power to implement the same plan.
Anyone who says they have a health care plan that will significantly lower costs, increase availability and improve quality all at the same time is lying- it's an unsolveable problem.
Romneycare wasn't a very good solution and he deserves whatever knocks he takes over it. No serious person, however, is suggesting that there's no problem at all and improvements in our healthcare system aren't needed though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 01:59 PM (SY2Kh)

386 Hey everybody! If you're not running for President, don't give an opinion about anybody who announces! Especially about their well-known policies.

It's just not classy.

Posted by: whatever at June 02, 2011 02:00 PM (afWhQ)

387 'm so worked up over the thought of Palin being our next President---can't concentrate at work....
imagine her ---
not bowing to other leaders
checking out our military and trying out the new guns!!--and knowing how to use it--!!!
in her gowns at the white house party---all the while with her own secret hoister with a 38
Palin has to win--she is the communist buster--
Palin will bring the economy back--she will bring real pride back to Americans cause she will make us INDEPENDENT.....

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 02:00 PM (+/c0N)

388 Why can't Palin have whatever time she needs until she announces? If Romney had waited another month would anyone be bitching about him dicking around about announcing?
She was asked a question, and she answered it. Will you/have youbashed Romney and his camp if/when they piss on her? Don't blame her if Romney can't gin up enough excitement about his announcement. It's not like he didn't have enough time before today.
Palin's stupid, right? If she's so damn stupid how is she pulling off having the media following her around begging for any word from her? Why hasn't Romney been able to accomplish that? He's been supposedly running since he lost in '08.
WhenPalin makesher announcement, and Romney or any other candidate gives a statement to the press on that day will there be any angst that they are trying to steal away from her announcement? Didn't think so, because well, nobody will be paying much attention to what they say unless they are bashing her, which is a distinct possiblity.
Drew, you dropped her into your post, and made this thread more about her than Romney. How does that help Romney on the day of his big announcement?

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 02:01 PM (AkdC5)

389 Dammit, I screwed up keeping a sockpuppet.

"Or not. Does the or not part of this even register or are you too busy
not punching down? He's only said about a thousand times that the plan
that was ultimately instituted in MA was 1) not the plan he had put
forward, it was changed radically and made more expensive by a veto
proof legislature and 2) not the plan for every state."

Fair point. Romney is not the hardcore socialist some claim he is. But he does have some positions, such as 'optional to each state' mandates, that Tea Partiers often do not accept.

It's not exactly the same for a governor to impose that on his state as it is for the president to impose it on the country. In fact, it's pretty different.

But this isn't the point. The point is that we need a leader we can rely on to face tough reforms clearly. With principles.

For the life of me, I don't know why Romney's fans don't like T Paw better, but that's not my place.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:01 PM (Q3nWV)

390 OK, someone tell me nygal is a moby or sock or something. Please.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 02:01 PM (pW2o8)

391 His campaign slogan could very simply be: There are jobs in Texas.

When does the Texas legislative session end? I'd like to see Perry get into the race with just that slogan. That argument would be hard for Obama to counter.

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 02:02 PM (0nqdj)

392 Obama is now shooting wildlife from black helicopters. Really. You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:02 PM (+sBB4)

393 "Just curious but does the post where I say he can't be the nominee count as posting about him "glowingly"?
@ Drew
Sorry if I've miscast your support for Romney. I missed that post. Can you link me to your post?

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:02 PM (iIQ0a)

394 384 It is going to be fun when Sarah runs to see all the people who said she
was not running try to make her defeat happen. You see they will be
wrong, so then they will have to harm her anyway they can so so she
loses in order to have their fragile egos remain somewhat intact.

Posted by: Dan at June 02, 2011 01:59 PM (mXBxH)
Nice to see we've got the "Why Palin Lost in 2012" narrative ready to go for next Fall.

Posted by: robviously at June 02, 2011 02:02 PM (s0hlt)

395 Only one candidate personality may not be spoken ill of.

Drew,

It just seemed to me that your remarks on Palin were unnecessary and petty.

That's what I took exception to.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:02 PM (5d6vv)

396 #345
I did listen to the speech. He clearly favored mandates as a way of fixing the 'free rider' problem in health care. He also made it clear that he didn't think a state should be forced into having mandates.
Here is the problem though. Is Romney going to repeal all of ObamaCare and not even replace popular provisions (e.g. pre-existing conditions)? He is compeltely unclear on this and is just saying federalism over and over again.
He has talked about 'replace' many times after 'repeal'. So what exactly does the replace mean, and how would the things he keeps or addsinfluence state decision making?
You seem to be ignoring the softer ways that the federal government can influence state decisions.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 02:04 PM (VoSja)

397 And look.� Mitt Romney's problem is not Sarah Palin.� Mitt Romney's problem is Mitt Romney.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 01:49 PM (1fanL)>>>>>>

Mitt Romeny? You mean the guy who's awesome political instincts told him it would be a good idea to kick off his campaign by eating fucking chili on a farm in New Hampshire? Is he the tone-deaf fuck you're referring to?????

Posted by: Joejm65 at June 02, 2011 02:05 PM (syDFX)

398 however, is suggesting that there's no problem at all and improvements in our healthcare system aren't needed though.
I dispute this contention. No improvements are needed. The only problem in our health care system is government regulation ofit and govenrment funding of it through Medicare payroll taxes.
Romney believes Americans should be forced to buy things from Democrat insurance companies.
Please explain to me how that helps America or the Republican Party?

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:05 PM (iIQ0a)

399 She was asked a question, and she answered it.

Just like Pawlenty was asked and answered a question (about the cross-hairs graphic). And he answered it in a perfectly reasonable way. He said he wouldn't have chosen to use them and he said that there was no evidence they had any impact on Loughner. But that was roundly criticized as being an attack on Palin. You may or may not be one of the crowd who freaks out whenever Palin is "disrespected," but you have to acknowledge that that is what's happening. That's the environment we're operating in and it blows.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 02:05 PM (pW2o8)

400 Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:02 PM (iIQ0a)

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/300719.php

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:05 PM (plesI)

401 If Romney can't handle a bus tour from a non candidate, how the hell is he going to stand up during debates, or against the leftist media onslaught?
Uh, I don't think Romney is the one complaining. Its Drew.And Drew is obviously not a fan of Romney. Drew's "problem" is he isn't a fan of Palin's either.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 02:06 PM (OWjjx)

402 So this romma knees fella- he got one of themfur hats with the ear flaps made out of corn for when he's up in New Hampshire?

Posted by: ethanol hatah at June 02, 2011 02:06 PM (tk5O7)

403 391
His campaign slogan could very simply be: There are jobs in Texas.

When
does the Texas legislative session end? I'd like to see Perry get into
the race with just that slogan. That argument would be hard for Obama
to counter.

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 02:02 PM (0nqdj)
"As I have always said....."He'll just make something up. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if O ran *against* the unpopular healthcare bill, and would only be a little bit surprised if that actually worked.

Posted by: robviously at June 02, 2011 02:06 PM (s0hlt)

404 Yawn. Clearly Romney is willing to say anything to get elected.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2011 02:06 PM (r4wIV)

405 James Lewis piece at American Thinker only feels more timely

http://tinyurl.com/3l2gmzs

Lets try and remember some of that before we get to busy trying to scorch earth each other.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2011 02:08 PM (mLAWK)

406 Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 01:52 PM (SY2Kh)

Hollowpoint,

Don't you see how she is helping to promote conservative principals among folks who normally don't pay attention to politics? A lot of people love her, for whatever reason, and will travel hours to meet her in person. I'll bet many of those people did not give much thought about left/right policies before they got touched by "Palinmania".

Also, her effect on the liberal-media establishment is devastating. The more absurd attacks the make on her, the more they expose themselves to be the hacks they are. Please, please recognize the benefits she brings to our side.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 02, 2011 02:08 PM (bAySe)

407 When does the Texas legislative session end? I'd like to see Perry get
into the race with just that slogan. That argument would be hard for
Obama to counter.

Was supposed to be done on 5/30, but they're in special session now because a Dem (shocker!) filibustered the school finance bill which means the budget wasn't balanced as our constitution mandates, so the legislature has to stay in session until they hammer it out.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:08 PM (5d6vv)

408 I would vote for Romney.

I wouldnt send him a tweet of my junk.. but I would vote for him.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at June 02, 2011 02:08 PM (qjUnn)

409 Nice to see we've got the "Why Palin Lost in 2012" narrative ready to go for next Fall.
Duh. I suspect Palin is going to run. Why - its cost free. See.........
If Palin runs and wins - she is President.
If Palin gets the nomination and loses the election - its not Palin's fault, its the MBM/Establishment GOP fault.
If Palin runs and fails to get the nomination - its not Palin's fault, its the Establishment GOP/RINO fault.
Cost free.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 02:08 PM (OWjjx)

410 One big glaring problem is that Romney's solution to Obamacare is waivers, rather than repeal.

He excuses this with a federalist notion that states then get to take their own path, but that is what repeal accomplishes, with much less damage.

It's a clever political position, and for those who doubt Romney is principled, it is just more evidence against him.

---

"It's not about dates, it's about class.Would
it have killed Palin to say, "Mitt's making his announcement today. I'm
not going to talk about whatever differences we may have right now.
Let's hear what he has to say and focus on our common goal of defeating
Barack Obama".Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?

Posted by: DrewM""
Of course that's too much to ask. We live in a free country where it's not a sign of poor breeding and class to criticize people on the day they announce they are running for office. It's not Romney's day. It's America's day. I think this is a really minor attack on Palin, but it shows a bit of unfairness.It's not Palin's fault that some of her fans are also unfair. Why bash her for her resignation while noting Mitt Romney announced his candidacy, while talking about how it's not classy to bring things up about our allies in this common cause? There's no consistent principle there... and it's hitting Palin below the belt for making a much more above the belt point.Really, Drew M and Sarah Palin's logic are very similar. Drew M wants Palin fans to appreciate that she has a big liability thwarting her electability. Palin wants Republicans to dump Romney because he has little chance of winning the primary (and again, just look at the primaries in 2010... Tea Partiers will dominate, even in blue states). So Romney fans: take Palin's advice and find another credible candidate who has a chance of being nominated.Or don't, of course. It's just speech. You don't have to agree. Classiness? Not really implicated.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:09 PM (Q3nWV)

411 The other thing that is clearly obvious from the speech is that Romney still believe that his position on health care and the experience of Massachusettsis a positive in a general election. He has talked up increased insurance coverage mutliple times.
How would his position even matter if the only relevant part of his Presidential health care policy is that he will repeal ObamaCare and tell the states to handle it in whatever way they seem fit.
Anyone who thinks that he doesn't have at least some guidelines in store at the federal level is being extremely naive.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 02:10 PM (VoSja)

412 Drew, you dropped her into your post, and made this thread more about
her than Romney. How does that help Romney on the day of his big
announcement?
Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 02:01 PM (AkdC5)

The thing is, when she does this it is news.

You guys act like she's just some mom on a family vacation. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it intentionally. Why are we supposed to pretend otherwise?

And I wasn't trying to help or hurt Romney, just post on a political story.

Think of it this way....what if I didn't attach the Palin news to this post. Either we'd miss a big political story or I'd be accused of overreacting and doing nothing but a hit post if I gave it its own slot.

These two items are news and they are related. Don't pretend otherwise.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:10 PM (plesI)

413 Mitt just got $100 from the recovering Democrat.

I think right now he's the best one not to frighten the moneymen on Wall St into backing Obummer again.

They bailed on HRC in 08 and gave Obama the job. With Bain Capital on his resume Im hopeful that the Wall St money will sit back if Romney gets the nom and let him win.

Of course anyone you guys put up short of the Ghost of Genghis Khan will get my support.

And thinking about it, Genghis had many sterling qualities.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:11 PM (OUBcB)

414 To beat an incumbent, however, we're going to have to do one hell of a lot better than Palin's shallow diva act.

Hey, man, I'm trying. I even offer free pizza sometimes, but I just can't seem to draw the crowds like the Huntress of Wasilla. The RNC is thinking about giving out keychains next time our candidates go out. (And they have a light in them.)

Posted by: Willard M. Romney at June 02, 2011 02:11 PM (Ew27I)

415 Oh Dear God. I'm having flashbacks. Make it stop.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 02, 2011 01:35 PM (Gzv/o)
In the end, its all about the Delaware Primary.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 02, 2011 02:11 PM (z1N6a)

416 "Was supposed to be done on 5/30, but they're in
special session now because a Dem (shocker!) filibustered the school
finance bill which means the budget wasn't balanced as our constitution
mandates, so the legislature has to stay in session until they hammer it
out.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836"

Yeah, it's ridiculous. She actually could have cost Texas education hugely with that stunt, and now there could be a lot of developments with other legislation because the threshold for voting is lower.

I really have never loved Perry, but I have to say, I think he would be a great candidate. Palin likes him, and I think he should be palatable to most Romney fans. And he's probably more electable, and he's got a much better resume.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:12 PM (Q3nWV)

417 He'll just make something up. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if O
ran *against* the unpopular healthcare bill, and would only be a little
bit surprised if that actually worked.

Here's my guess: Bammy will find a way to take credit for job creation in Texas.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at June 02, 2011 02:12 PM (0nqdj)

418 @ Drew, who wrote: "This is why Romney can not and must not be the Republican nominee in 2012."
Sorry I had missed this post and I retract my earlier characterization of your remarks defending Romney.
I agree with you. We must do everything we can to prevent Mitt Romney from being the Repbulcian nominee in 2012. I believe that includes encouraging every other candidate to criticize him even today. And every day. And not to give him one free moment from his record.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:12 PM (iIQ0a)

419 You guys act like she's just some mom on a family vacation. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it intentionally.
Can you hear her from inside your head? When you turn your head from side to side, do you hear her rattling around in there?

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:12 PM (+sBB4)

420 These two items are news and they are related. Don't pretend otherwise.

Ok, but did Palin make that happen or did the MFM make that happen?

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:13 PM (5d6vv)

421 Out, damned sock!

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 02:13 PM (0nqdj)

422 "The thing is, when she does this it is news.

You guys act like
she's just some mom on a family vacation. She knows exactly what she's
doing and she's doing it intentionally. Why are we supposed to pretend
otherwise?

And I wasn't trying to help or hurt Romney, just post on a political story."

Sure. But when Romney announces he's running, that's also news for Palin to opine upon. It doesn't mean she isn't classy. She just doesn't want conservatives worried about finding a good candidate to waste their time on someone with some of Romney's liabilities.

I don't think Palin owes Romney anything. Or vice versa, and it's not like his camp hasn't been hard on her. After all, some of them are claiming she isn't classy.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:14 PM (Q3nWV)

423 It's not about dates, it's about class.Would it have killed Palin to say, "Mitt's making his announcement today. I'm not going to talk about whatever differences we may have right now. Let's hear what he has to say and focus on our common goal of defeating Barack Obama".Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?
Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI)
WTF? Holy shit, Drew. Get a grip.

Posted by: Romney Sucks at June 02, 2011 02:14 PM (8DdAv)

424 I dispute this contention. No improvements are needed. The only problem in our health care system is government regulation ofit and govenrment funding of it through Medicare payroll taxes.
Romney believes Americans should be forced to buy things from Democrat insurance companies.
Please explain to me how that helps America or the Republican Party?
Insurance companies aren't Democrat or Republican- they're in favor of who will help them make a profit, just like most other companies.
Less regulation or elimination of Medicare wouldn't solve the problems with health care. Sure, you can argue that the government- state or federal- shouldn't be involved at all, and that those unable to afford insurance or pay out of pocket should be left to their own devices, but no candidate with that position will ever get near the White House.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 02:14 PM (SY2Kh)

425 >>You seem to be ignoring the softer ways that the federal government can influence state decisions.

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm waiting to see how he addresses this issue in more detail going forward. I haven't seen detailed plans yet from any other candidates either.

But I do actually live in this state and I know how much healthcare was killing us and driving us toward bankruptcy. I also know that the Dems kept giving away more and more, year after year in freebies. This state is overrun with Dem politicians and any plan that got through had to be done with them not around them, that's just a fact.

How exactly would you have fixed the problem given a veto proof Dem legislature that was actually growing in numbers not shrinking? And don't say increased competition, the Dems had blocked that for years.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 02:14 PM (TMB3S)

426 imagine how upset debbiewassermanschultz will be if PALIN BECOMES PRESIDENT!!
all the liberal heads will get blood clots
(when i left nyc--orangejuice-1/2gallon was over 6 dollars!!and martinis were average 18-20 dollars!!..a drink....now i spend 100 dollars a week on grocery at walmart superstore--)

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 02:14 PM (+/c0N)

427 You guys act like she's just some mom on a family vacation. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it intentionally. Why are we supposed to pretend otherwise?
Damn Drew, you act like we're a bunch of Morons that can't figure that out for ourselves.
The question is, who do you think is pretending that isn't what she is doing?
And another question for you is, why does that get your panties in a wad even if they do?

Posted by: 57 States at June 02, 2011 02:15 PM (kbH+o)

428 @ Drew
You guys act like she's just some mom on a family vacation. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it intentionally.
And what she is doing helps do what you want to do and what we want to do... which is to prevent Mitt Romney from being the nominee.
I should think you would encourage her, instead of criticizing her,since her aim, and your stated aim, is precisely the same aim.
Why would you criticize someone doing precisely what you say you want done?

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:15 PM (iIQ0a)

429 Mitt's people, top people I might add, have been planting stories about Palin for 2 years. So, there's that.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:16 PM (+sBB4)

430 Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:12 PM (iIQ0a)

I appreciate you taking the time to read it and noting my position.

I know it's tough because we do commentary with everything but I wish there were a way to get folks to understand/believe not every post has an ideological or hidden partisan agenda.

Probably just the nature of the medium.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:16 PM (plesI)

431 Romneycare wasn't a very good solution and he
deserves whatever knocks he takes over it. No serious person, however,
is suggesting that there's no problem at all and improvements in our
healthcare system aren't needed though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 01:59 PM (SY2Kh)
"Wasn't a very good solution"? Hmm. Killing that hobo wasn't a very good solution to the problem of my boredom, either.
The problem is not that Sarah Palin called out RomneyCare the day Mittens wanted to ... something. The problem is RomneyCare.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:16 PM (1fanL)

432 Ok, but did Palin make that happen or did the MFM make that happen?
Well, in fairness 1) yes, the media did bait Palin into taking a snipe at Romnney with the question but 2) Palin took the bait.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 02:16 PM (OWjjx)

433 Geez, it seems to be my lot in life to 'defend' a candidate I'm not enthusiastic about, but here's Romney on repealing Obamacare (there is a link to the full text of the speech at this site as well).

For me, I am concerned, no irritated, that Romney will not get into specifics about what he doesn't like about Masscare and that he clings to the notion that it is working for Massachusetts. If increasing wait times to see doctors by 50% is "working," then I really gotta wonder about Mitt.

I think he believes government, at least in the state level, should be involved in health care to a greater extent than I think it should. So that bothers me.

And his ethanol subsidy position is stupid.

But the guy is not the devil.

Why he hasn't rolled out his own detailed budget and healthcare plans
when he has been planning this run for a long time - and when he's
running as the competent executive candidate - is beyond me. I've been
talking with former Mitt supporters here in Utah and he's losing them.
They will still vote for him, but they won't donate or work for him.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 02:16 PM (pW2o8)

434 top people I might add.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:16 PM (+sBB4)
Ditto.

Posted by: That Guy From Raiders of the Lost Ark at June 02, 2011 02:17 PM (1fanL)

435 So when are we going to get around to the point of how having not chosen to run for a second term, then he quit the campaign early, money, press and punditry
all backed him,

Posted by: Randolph Duke at June 02, 2011 02:17 PM (YGNmh)

436 426
imagine how upset debbiewassermanschultz will be if PALIN BECOMES PRESIDENT!!
all the liberal heads will get blood clots
See that Drew - now there's some intelligent thinking and the best reason yet to support Palin.

Posted by: 57 States at June 02, 2011 02:17 PM (kbH+o)

437 Palin took the bait.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 02:16 PM (OWjjx)
Took what bait? The sooner Mittens goes away, the better.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:18 PM (1fanL)

438 I didn't realize Drew M said we need to find a different nominee than Romney.

I'm not sure who our best bet is. Sadly, we have a very very limited bench. I don't think we have enough of a chance with candidates like Palin and Romney. Sure, the election will be about Obama, but it will also be about how dangerous it is to elect someone with low experience.

But perhaps a reaction to Palin's comment isn't to bash her for saying something that is true. It might be to discuss that issue (which some have done).

Palin thinks Romney can't gain the Tea Partiers. That has a lot of implications. Third party, turnout, nomination.

Who CAN get the Tea Partiers, but also is a credible general election candidate (unlike Palin)?

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:19 PM (Q3nWV)

439 The irony...

Drew 1
"She knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it intentionally."

Drew 2
"I wish there were a way to get folks to understand/believe not every post has an ideological or hidden partisan agenda. "

You stepped on your weiner here.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:19 PM (+sBB4)

440 folks, if Obummer wins we will have a federalized Obamacare system. If Romney gets the nom he WILL win in the General and he will leave it in the states hands. Most states want a mandate to save them form Medicaid, just the facts.

As someone who worked in health insurance all my life I am telling ya, it is far better to have the private sector choice of plans and many many levels of appeal than have a Medicare like system with the govt and NO right of appeal and rationing to boot.,

Listen if Mitt supports 10th Amendment we are all good. And the nice thing for the social libertarians like me is that is ya know how the Constitution intended it. If ya dont want a mandate move to TX. Ya want socialism? Go VT. (And hey this way Gov brewer cant kill our Med Marijuana in AZ. She ran to court to ask them to stop it under Federal limits,)

I dont know if you guys noticed, but Health Care IS NO LONGER THE MAIN ISSUE IN THE 12 RACE.

It is THE ECONOMY.

Romney is the best economic chops in the game right now IMO, and I am telling you the Wall St $$ has to be happy or they will frak us again like they did in 08. They bought Obama lock stock and barrel and bought him the race.

Of course you guys have to vote your ideals and your beliefs as Republicans. Go for it. But I hope there is some consideration of who can win the General without scaring the shxt out of Wall St money managers and middle of the road Democratic women and Independent male voters. And that is Romney right now IMO.

I will be waiting to support whomever you choose, please please dont frak this up.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:20 PM (OUBcB)

441 #425
That is completely fair. I just don't appreciate being told that Romney's only plan for health care is to repeal ObamaCare and completely decentralize health care when it is fairly clear there will be some federal direction.
Because of his support of a health care system similar to ObamaCare (and we can argue how similar), it is fair to hold him to a higher standard on this issue and make him explain exactly what he would do.
If we can't repeal the federal pre-existing conditions part of ObamaCare, and it looks like this will be tough, the truth is that federal mandates are going to be coming anyway.
I don't fault Romney for what he did in Massachusetts per se, but I do fault him for hiding behind federalism when he clearly has thought about this issues very deeply yet seems to be waiting for the politically expedient time (the general election) to tell us what he wants to do.
I want to know what I am voting for on this issue in the primaries.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 02:20 PM (VoSja)

442 "Insurance companies aren't Democrat or Republican"
This is a remarkably uninformed and naive comment.
The Progressive insurance company - to cite one example - was created precisely to generate profits which could be donated to Democrat political candidates. It is an excellent example of a "Democrat insurance company."
In the state of Massachusetts, the health insurance companies fund Democrat Party candidates almost exclusively. They are Democrat Party companies for all intents and purposes that work solely to elect Democrats and advance Democrat Party socialism.
Mitt Romney was their primary benefactor. His passage of RomneyCare guaranteed a continual donation stream for Democrat Party candidates from companies controlled almost exclusively by Democrats.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:21 PM (iIQ0a)

443 Sure, the election will be about Obama, but it will also be about how dangerous it is to elect someone with low experience.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:19 PM (Q3nWV)
Don't think you should put a "but" there. Or an "also." Pointing out how dangerous it is to elect someone with low experience is making the election about Obama.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:22 PM (1fanL)

444 Well, in fairness 1) yes, the media did bait Palin into taking a snipe at Romnney with the question but 2) Palin took the bait.

Fine, but the MFM is determined to write the narrative, so why let them just make stuff up? Palin's answer was fairly thoughtful, it's seems to me that the MFM is the one trying to make this into a shit slinging confrontation.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:22 PM (5d6vv)

445 Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:15 PM (iIQ0a)

It's a time and place thing.

This is a primary fight not the general election. So while Mitt isn't my guy, there are a fair number of Republicans who do like him. I think you cut primary opponents slack you don't give to Democrats. More importantly, you give your fellow Republicans a chance to see who is running so they can make a choice.

If Palin runs, I wouldn't be thrilled if Romney ran out the 'quitter attack' at an event practically around the corner in an attempt to upstage her and I'd say so.

I get that politics isn't beanbag but there are some rules and traditions that are generally observed. Palin doesn't feel bound by them. Fine, that's her right.

That same "fuck you" spirit that gets her some support also gets her criticism. Unfortunately too many Palin supporters don't think it should work both ways.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:23 PM (plesI)

446 Having read the CNN article Drew linked to, I am having difficulty understanding why he's so upset with Paliin. She spoke politely but honestly, and Romney responded with politeness and good humor. Class all around. It's not like Palin chased a reporter down to shit on Mitt.

I find it hard to believe you didn't read the article you link to, but you might as well not have, since Palin clearly scrambles your judgment.

Posted by: Nuncle at June 02, 2011 02:23 PM (bxyG0)

447 We gave someone new a chance to lead. At the time, we didn't know what
sort of a president he would make. It was a moment of crisis for our
economy, and when Barack Obama came to office, we wished him well and
hoped for the best,"

This shot was aimed at Palin and Obama

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:24 PM (+sBB4)

448 Speaking of the TLC reality show. Did anyone else cringe watching the part where she was (unsuccessfully) trying to shoot an elk with a scoped rifle that clearly hadn't been sighted in. You'd think an experienced outdoorsman would know you need to sight in your scope before trying to shoot something that far down range.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 02, 2011 02:24 PM (9eDbm)

449 You guys act like she's just some mom on a family vacation. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it intentionally. Why are we supposed to pretend otherwise?And I wasn't trying to help or hurt Romney, just post on a political story.Think of it this way....what if I didn't attach the Palin news to this post. Either we'd miss a big political story or I'd be accused of overreacting and doing nothing but a hit post if I gave it its own slot.These two items are news and they are related. Don't pretend otherwise. Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:10 PM (plesI)
That's a copout to your post. You didn't post what she said.You posted a critical quoteabout her from another source, and then proceeded to bash her yourself. You weren't posting the news. You were posting your opinion (negative) about her.
Funny how she's stupid and unorganized in what she does, but here you say she knows exactly what she's doing. Yeah, she answered a question from a reporter. Like I said, when Romney does it to her, and he will if she runs, will you be as negative to him in your comments about her?

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 02:24 PM (AkdC5)

450 And FWIW I am a Tea Party Patriot and Romney does quite well with us in the polling Ive seen and in the conversations Ive had.

I like Sarah too! But she is not announced and she is wrong on the Tea Party.

Ps The Tea Party 'Express' is not the Tea Party pls keep that in mind. It is Dick Armey.

Yeah I supported Freedomworks with Ace's 10 campaign, but TPExpress has a record of pixxing off locals see AK Senate and NY Special Elections, so if Sarah is copying their bus tour and citing their opinion of Romney as a basis for TeaParty not supporting him, in my opinion she is very wrong,

The Tea Party wants the economy fixed first, get the hell out of the way for small business. Without that all the lofty ideals and BS plans in the world dont amount to jack and we know it.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:25 PM (OUBcB)

451 Hollowpoint,Don't you see how she is helping to promote conservative principals among folks who normally don't pay attention to politics?
In a word, no.
If she was interested in promoting conservative principles (as opposed to promoting herself personally), she wouldn't have been limiting herself to friendly venues for the past two yearsan mouthing platitudes about "restoring America" in front of friendly crowds ona bus tour while dodging substantive interviews by the media.
How many non-political types are going to be convinced after seeing her on the back of a Harley, or blathering shallow generalities considering that most of them already view her in a negative light?
She's not promoting conservative principles in any meaningful way. She's promoting herself.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 02:25 PM (SY2Kh)

452 Speaking of the TLC reality show. Did anyone else
cringe watching the part where she was (unsuccessfully) trying to shoot
an elk with a scoped rifle that clearly hadn't been sighted in. You'd
think an experienced outdoorsman would know you need to sight in your
scope before trying to shoot something that far down range.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 02, 2011 02:24 PM (9eDbm)
Pretty topical, dude.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 02, 2011 02:26 PM (z1N6a)

453 Speaking of the TLC reality show. Did anyone else cringe watching the
part where she was (unsuccessfully) trying to shoot an elk with a scoped
rifle that clearly hadn't been sighted in. You'd think an experienced
outdoorsman would know you need to sight in your scope before trying to
shoot something that far down range.
She does. Reality show interns, however, do not.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:26 PM (5d6vv)

454 "But the guy is not the devil."
He's worse than the devil. I'm currently paying $2,000 a year tax increase because of Mitt Romney. It's added up to $10,000 so far that I've had to hand over to Democrats who spend it ONLY on Democrats.
So far, the devil has not made me pay his due. But Mitt Romney has.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:26 PM (iIQ0a)

455 Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:21 PM (iIQ0a)

OpenSecrets on insurance companies.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:26 PM (1fanL)

456 hollow point, you really are kind of a dufus. Maybe even an extraordinary dufus.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:27 PM (+sBB4)

457 She's not promoting conservative principles in any meaningful way. She's promoting herself.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 02:25 PM (SY2Kh)
Bashing Romney is promoting conservatism.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:27 PM (1fanL)

458 Establishment reality show interns.

Posted by: Anony at June 02, 2011 02:27 PM (7ahtU)

459 Mitt's handlers are pretty cutting to Palin--so if mitts can't take the cuts from Palin now---how will mitt handle the racistgrenades the dems/communists are setting up for their dear leader's opponent?
liberals are afraid ofPalin cause Palin is their mom, their aunt, their sister andco-workers....
mitt can be the commerce secretary 2012

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 02:28 PM (+/c0N)

460 "Don't think you should put a "but"
there. Or an "also." Pointing out how dangerous it is to elect
someone with low experience is making the election about Obama.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:22 PM (1fanL)
"I understand what you mean, but that's a referendum on 2008, when Obama didn't have years of experience at the top of a huge government.Sure, Romney has a better resume than Obama did in 2008. Palin has a better resume than Obama did in 2008.In 2012, Obama will have 4 years of executive experience that is not marked with success, but rather a mixed bag. Some good calls, and a lot bad ones. Many who are worried about instability will not blame Obama for it, but rather want a divided government and the more experienced leader.So we have Palin, with months of governorship of a small state. Romney, with amazing returns at Bain capital, Olympics austerity, and a pretty bad governorship where the state wouldn't have reelected him.If you realize Obama's leadership has been so bad that it does him no credit, then sure, of course you still think he's got the worse resume.But not everyone will just accept that. Many people already voted for him once, also, and are therefore easy to manipulate. If we run Obama against Romney, his resume's lightness will be a huge issue. If Palin, the simple (and unfair) quitter narrative will make a huge dent.It's just the truth. Obama has the best resume, from a strict non partisan perspective. Even though he's awful.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:29 PM (Q3nWV)

461 Romney mentioned capping government spending at 20% of GDP in his announcement today.
It would be difficult to reduce the deficit at that level without some tax increases.

Posted by: Paper at June 02, 2011 02:29 PM (VoSja)

462 Mitt's handlers are pretty cutting to Palin--so
if mitts can't take the cuts from Palin now---how will mitt handle the
racistgrenades the dems/communists are setting up for their dear
leader's opponent?
Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 02:28 PM (+/c0N)
He'd be bringing nice hair to a gunfight.Howinhell is Mitt going to be anything but a laughingstock bashing ObamaCare while touting RombamaCare?

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:30 PM (1fanL)

463 Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:19 PM (+sBB4)

No, my problem is people are jumping to conclusions because they are making assumptions that are diametrically opposed to what I've said before. There's no way people can or should know every post I've written. My frustration is I know what I've done and it's exactly opposite what they are accusing me of.

Palin on the other hand is out in the open. Her supporters complain she's chased by the media and everything she does is blown out of proportion. Well, getting on a big bus, holding high profile events and basically crashing Mitt's announcement aren't the actions of a woman who just wants to be left alone, are they?

My words line up. Palin's words may say one thing but her actions are diametrically opposed to them.

BTW- this is the same thing my guy Christie does. He says he's not running, no interest, none, zip, nadda. Then he gives a big speech in DC, takes on national issues, hangs out with Iowa donors and then announces a trip to Iowa.

Is he running? Probably not. Might he? Maybe. He's more likely keeping things alive for either the VP or 2016.

I call him out on the inconsistencies between his words and deeds. Why not Palin?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:31 PM (plesI)

464 "These two items are news and they are related. Don't pretend otherwise. "

Palin lacking class and resigning from her office are news today? I pretend otherwise.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:31 PM (Q3nWV)

465 Romney is a flip flopper just like John Kerry! He is not going towin the nomination; too many Tea Party people don't like him and won't have him!

Posted by: Pam at June 02, 2011 02:31 PM (bj062)

466 Anyone who buys groceries will vote AGAINST OBAMA in '12. we just need a candidate who is not more of a risk than another 4 years of Obama.

We need someone who makes the electorate feel safe.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:31 PM (OUBcB)

467 it's about electing someone who is not a socialist,

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 02:32 PM (+/c0N)

468 who are u talking about Pam? I am in the TP and I know plenty of others who support Romney. From what I see it is TPaw v Romney unless someone else gets in.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:32 PM (OUBcB)

469 @ Drew So while Mitt isn't my guy, there are a fair number of Republicans who do like him. I think you cut primary opponents slack you don't give to Democrats.
You wrote that Romney MUST NOT be the nominee - not that he shouldn't be the nominee. That suggests that you think that if he IS the nominee, that helps Democrats. Am I right?
So, while in general I'd agree with you that we should all keep things civil amongst ourselves if at all possible, Romney represents a clear and present danger to the Republican Party and under those circumstances I think some of the civility has to be set aside for the sake of what you and I both want.
Mitt Romney must be stopped at all costs.
I believe this with such passion that I will not ever vote for Mitt Romney. But you would. If he's the nominee, you will support him even though you suggest now that his nomination would only help the Democrats.
I don't think you can have it both ways. Trying to have it both ways ensures that Romney will get the nomination.

Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:32 PM (iIQ0a)

470 Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 02:24 PM (AkdC5)

And I added a link to the full story once I had one.

That's what happens on blogs all the time. You get multiple short first reports and you add longer pieces as they become available.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:33 PM (plesI)

471 In the state of Massachusetts, the health insurance companies fund Democrat Party candidates almost exclusively. They are Democrat Party companies for all intents and purposes that work solely to elect Democrats and advance Democrat Party socialism.
Mitt Romney was their primary benefactor. His passage of RomneyCare guaranteed a continual donation stream for Democrat Party candidates from companies controlled almost exclusively by Democrats.
The state of MA is almost exclusively controlled by Democrats. Of course that's where their donations will go. You don't buy much influence by contributing to the party with no power to affect the policies you want.
Guess who the vast majority of their contributions went to when the GOP was in power during Bush's term?
As to Progressive- they're not a health insurance company.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 02:33 PM (SY2Kh)

472 Listen folks the MEDIA NARRATIVE is the Tea Party doesnt like Romney, That is INCORRECT. Dont help the media. look at polling first.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:33 PM (OUBcB)

473 I call him out on the inconsistencies between his words and deeds. Why not Palin?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:31 PM (plesI)
Because the post was about Mitt Romney, maybe?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 02, 2011 02:33 PM (z1N6a)

474 and PS Progressive does NOT issue health insurance just FWIW. sheesh, but hey they DO support legalizing grass!

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:33 PM (OUBcB)

475 Drew, Palin has been running since 2008. She's all in. If she doesn't run, her supporters will abandon her like Colon Powell.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 02:33 PM (+sBB4)

476 But not everyone will just accept
that. Many people already voted for him once, also, and are therefore
easy to manipulate. If we run Obama against Romney, his resume's
lightness will be a huge issue. If Palin, the simple (and unfair)
quitter narrative will make a huge dent.It's just the truth. Obama has the best resume, from a strict non partisan perspective. Even though he's awful.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:29 PM (Q3nWV)
I don't disagree. Much. All I'm saying is that we can say: Look, we elected an inexperienced doofus, and look where it got us.But then, I'm assuming neither Mittens nor Palin is our general candidate. Neither one is my first choice. Let's just say...RAND PAUL!!11! And Paul Ryan. And Herman Cain. And maybe Paul "Puff Puff Give" Johnson.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:34 PM (1fanL)

477 "We need someone who makes the electorate feel safe.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:31 PM (OUBcB)"
Rick Perry or T Paw? I think there are a lot of people who badly want to see Palin redeemed. These are good people, and Palin does represent a culture war they really want to win.It's unfortunate, because that simply isn't very important in the scheme of things. I wish she had run for Senator of Alaska. I would not mind seeing her as the VP candidate again, though I don't think this would happen.Hopefully we nominate someone that Palin likes. That's one reason to like Perry, who is classy and observing Mitt Romney Day (I'm joking).

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:35 PM (Q3nWV)

478 Romney mentioned capping government spending at 20% of GDP in his announcement today.

That is truly stupid since the federal tax burden traditionally is 18.2%. There goes his "economic chops".

Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2011 02:35 PM (M9Ie6)

479 Listen folks the MEDIA NARRATIVE is the Tea Party
doesnt like Romney, That is INCORRECT. Dont help the media. look at
polling first.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:33 PM (OUBcB)
I don't like him. How is he going to bash ObamaCare while touting RombamaCare? Bashing ObamaCare is going to have to be a big part of winning the election, and Romney can't do it without looking like a guy who'll say anything. Which reputation he already has.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:36 PM (1fanL)

480 it is impossible to defend mittcare against barrycare....
both care = country/state bankruptcy

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 02:37 PM (+/c0N)

481 someguy

you know what? It is IMO simply traitorous to say you WILL NOT vote for a certain GOP niminee this early in the process.

So you probably stayed home and didnt vote in 08 right?

Thanks for the living hell of this economy . The starving people of the world fxcked by inflation courtesy of Bernanke who was reappointed with a deal I have no doubt, to kill the USDollar to save Obummer, which BTW failed spectacularly, so that is all on him and Geithner.

How could ANY SERIOUS REPUBLICAN REFUSE TO VOTE FOR ANY GOP NOMINEE OVER OBAMA OR STAYING HOME?

THIS IS WHY oops sorry, this is why you guys LOSE.

I do not understand!! How can I a pitiful Democrat still stumbling about finding myself have more passion for the country and your eventual nominee, no matter who, than you do as a full fledged GOP supporter and voter?

I just do not get it.

If you think you have seen anything yet form Obama you are delusional, if he stole a reelection the world would burn under his uncontrolled idiocy.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:37 PM (OUBcB)

482
I call him out on the inconsistencies between his words and deeds. Why not Palin?

I'd call you out if you ended your criticism of Christie with "...at least Romney's not a fat bastard."

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:37 PM (5d6vv)

483 That is truly stupid since the federal tax burden traditionally is 18.2%. There goes his "economic chops".

Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2011 02:35 PM (M9Ie6)
Honey, if we just spend a little more than we earn each month, won't that be OK?

Posted by: Vic's Wife at June 02, 2011 02:37 PM (1fanL)

484 FUBAR

He showed us how- states rights

10th Amendment

Again I promise u the General will not be about Ocare, it will be about the ECONOMY.

Who do you like?

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:38 PM (OUBcB)

485 Rush is playing Mitt's speech and groaning right along with it.

Posted by: Epic Fail at June 02, 2011 02:38 PM (Ew27I)

486 "All I'm saying is that we can say: Look, we elected an inexperienced doofus, and look where it got us."

-Fubar

The right candidate will hit Obama hard, over and over, and the voters will associate our problems with his administration's lack of clear leadership. Obama will be an unvetted jackass.

One big aspect to this is how he rammed Obamacare through, when the country had other problems, exploiting agitation to get a long term goal, Alinsky style. It was poorly conceived and we needed to worry about other things. It tore the nation apart and most Americans didn't want it at the time.

Romney is a very smart guy, and I bet he can clearly articulate this concept. But people might not think he's sincere about it. That's a tough problem to solve.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:39 PM (Q3nWV)

487 Vic

maybe he is considering GROWTH

ya remember growth, we had it with Big Dawg and Reagan

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:39 PM (OUBcB)

488 How can I a pitiful Democrat still stumbling about
finding myself have more passion for the country and your eventual
nominee, no matter who, than you do as a full fledged GOP supporter and
voter?

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:37 PM (OUBcB)
AHA! That's why you like Mittens!

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:39 PM (1fanL)

489 imagine how upset debbiewassermanschultz will be if PALIN BECOMES PRESIDENT!!
all the liberal heads will get blood clots
They'll be too busy dodging flying pigs and worrying about global cooling in Hades to think about Palin.
She's not going to be President in 2013, and wishing upon a star with all your might won't change that.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 02:39 PM (SY2Kh)

490 It's unfortunate, because that simply isn't very important in the scheme
of things. I wish she had run for Senator of Alaska. I would not mind
seeing her as the VP candidate again, though I don't think this would
happen.

I have wondered if the reason Palin is buying property in Arizona is because she's planning on running for McCain's seat when he retires.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:39 PM (5d6vv)

491 Posted by: someguy at June 02, 2011 02:32 PM (iIQ0a)

I wish it were otherwise but what I think should or should not happen doesn't mean the world follows along.

And again, this isn't about me. It's about Palin and how she doesn't think any normal rules apply to her. Ok, but one rule that does apply is she can be criticized.

Palin did this because she doesn't like Mitt, plain and simple. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

I voted for McCain, after swearing I never would, to stop Obama, I'd vote for Mitt to get him out. But that's a bridge I hope we don't come to.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:39 PM (plesI)

492 Again I promise u the General will not be about Ocare, it will be about the ECONOMY.Who do you like?
Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:38 PM (OUBcB)
And Obama doesn't have the biggest megaphonein the world as the MBM touting whatever the hell he wants? If you don't think he will use Ropmneycare as a way to say, "Look, their candidate's healthcare plan was our blueprint for Obamcare!".

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 02:41 PM (AkdC5)

493
She's not going to be President in 2013, and wishing upon a star with all your might won't change that.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 02:39 PM (SY2Kh)
So you've said, about a dozen times per Palin thread, for six months.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 02, 2011 02:41 PM (z1N6a)

494 Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:37 PM (5d6vv)

Well cross that bridge when Christie attacks a fellow Republican on the day they announce their candidacy.

Until then, I'll keep the apples over here and the oranges over there.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:42 PM (plesI)

495 Im a gonna step off and let y'all GOPers disagree among urselves for a bit.

Holla at ya soon folks.

Consider the Operation Chaos Brigades of Obamabots entering your open primaries/caucuses too.

I hope you gather behind someone early enough to avoid the nomination going to someone who can not win. I will still go all out for whomever it is, but the Genral Election IS something to consider guys.

Romney has huge crossover appeal.

Elimiante capital gains, watch the growth, and we cant go over 20% spending cap it would never happen. again it would scare Wall St, Romney is walking carefully.

Geithner is meeting the GOP Frosh 2day 2 'explain reality' to them. We will see wat happens on debt ceiling, watch that before you assume Romney is being 'weak' on spending caps, he knows who he has to mollify to get the office, THEN we can roll

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:42 PM (OUBcB)

496 I dunno, mpur. Do you think:

"I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term."

is really equivalent to calling someone a fat bastard? Or am I missing something?

Palin quit her term early under a cloud. That's just a fact. And it's an embarrassing fact for someone who (apparently) aspires to national office and (certainly) wants to be seen as a power broker for others who are vying for national office.

She was unable or unwilling to withstand politically motivated attacks, but she makes her living in politics.

Christie's fat, but I'm not sure he's a bastard. So he does his job all day and eats too many donuts (and doesn't exercise enough). Maybe it's a personal weakness, but it's not a professional failing.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 02:42 PM (pW2o8)

497 I have wondered if the reason Palin is buying property in Arizona is
because she's planning on running for McCain's seat when he retires.

I wonder if part of the reason is non-political. Cold and snowy winters get really old after awhile. This last New England winter had me thinking of moving south.

Posted by: Slublog at June 02, 2011 02:43 PM (0nqdj)

498 Again I promise u the General will not be about Ocare, it will be about the ECONOMY.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:38 PM (OUBcB) How can you say this? What was 2010 about? How's Ocare not part of the economy? If you can't talk about Ocare, you can't win.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2011 02:43 PM (1fanL)

499 liberalism/socialism is our problem---it is the stake in our back--bleeding our country dry.....
Palin will not only take out that stake---she will heal us back to health, she will fight for this country---she will not play golf 70 plus--(still counting) times, she will not pander to hamas and the rest of the brotherhoods---she will make them afraid of her---like the way the liberals are so afraid of Palin.....

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 02:44 PM (+/c0N)

500 Then again, I didn't understand steevy's reaction to "sugar tits" when every other politician/candidate is criticized for their hair or weight or nose or whatever is convenient. I don't understand the rules surrounding Palin, but I suspect it is true that the notion of "chivalry" that one of our morons cited as a reason to defend her may come into play. And that's irritating.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 02:44 PM (pW2o8)

501 Steph

WE decide what the issue is in the general. The voters. thats why we have blogs and talk radio and tea parties.

we know the drill, even Democrats know now that the MFM is useless and biased.

The economic data will FORCE the conversation to the economy.

Ya think that inflation will stop? Ya think the USDollar will suddenly strengthen? Did u see factory orsers PLUNGE yesterday? We are deep in the double dip in housing and the data is now showing it in GDP.

QE is dead June 20th

Hang on it will be interesting! I promise it will be all economy, they are TRYING to scare u out of nominating Romney, they know he will beat them.

Dont let the enemy pick the narrative thats all Im sayin

Peace out.

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:45 PM (OUBcB)

502 Honey, if we just spend a little more than we earn each month, won't that be OK?

LOL, I know that was snark but after I retired the first year we spent $5,000 more than I had coming in. I had to place BOTH of us on a budget until we got used to the lower income.

Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2011 02:45 PM (M9Ie6)

503 Pretty girls scare me and smart ones know what a loser I am. The make my fat wife meaner than normal. We should outlaw rolling pins!

Posted by: mod moron at June 02, 2011 02:47 PM (EM5SB)

504 FUBAR

Uhhh, I breathe the economic data all day long. It is ISM, Jobs, Housing starts, sales, construction and retail sales.

Economic data has JACK SHXT to do with Obamacare.

It hurt small biz, that is the sum of the impact it had to date
the EPA is a bigger biz killer right now today than Obamacare

just sayin

jeebus folks

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:47 PM (OUBcB)

505 Well cross that bridge when Christie attacks a fellow Republican on the day they announce their candidacy.Until then, I'll keep the apples over here and the oranges over there.

C'mon, Drew, you know that there is a difference between opinion and bullshit rhetoric.

You can choose to write either one, or both, but you can't believe that you can do it with impunity.

And, btw, I still don't see an "attack" by Palin, here.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:49 PM (5d6vv)

506 Just remember, the two weeks of the campaign that Obama was behind in the polls (in the 2008 election) were the 2 weeks right after Palin was announced as the
GOP running mate. Of course, McCain instantly fixed that "problem" for Obama, but the fact remains she had Obama going backwards in support. We may have forgotten that fact, but I doubt the Dems have.

Posted by: chillin the most at June 02, 2011 02:50 PM (6IV8T)

507 "I don't understand the rules surrounding Palin, but I suspect it is true
that the notion of "chivalry" that one of our morons cited as a reason
to defend her may come into play. And that's irritating. "

In all honesty, if Drew M had taken a potshot at Mitt Romney for classlessly criticizing Palin on Sarah Palin Day, I doubt I'd have minded. I doubt anyone would be giving him a hard time for just casually mentioning Romneycare just to take a little dig at him.

I guess there's something unjust about this, but I can't resist the fact I like Palin, even though I don't want her to be the nominee, and I don't like Romney. I can be honest and own it, but I also think I'm not alone.

Sure, Palin also turns many off. My point is not to boost her. But Romney turns a lot of people off, and I don't think he inspires anything to counter it.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:50 PM (Q3nWV)

508 in the voting booth it's barry against sarah---
who would really vote for barry again and who would vote for sarah?
communist again ?
more socialist agenda?
more teleprompter zombie speeches?

or SARAH PALIN?
woohoo PALIN2012

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 02:52 PM (+/c0N)

509 Even more fun....Rudy just went after Mitt.

And yeah, I think that's idiotic.

I added it on to this post.

I don't think it's worth a post because honestly, who the fuck cares about Rudy?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 02:52 PM (plesI)

510 I am thinking Rudy is just stupid enough to run again.

Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2011 02:54 PM (M9Ie6)

511 in the voting booth it's barry against sarah---
who would really vote for barry again and who would vote for sarah?
A strong majority of voters would vote for Obama in that scenario, that's who.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 02:55 PM (SY2Kh)

512
I dunno, mpur. Do you think: "I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term." is really equivalent to calling someone a fat bastard? Or am I missing something? Palin
quit her term early under a cloud. That's just a fact. And it's an
embarrassing fact for someone who (apparently) aspires to national
office and (certainly) wants to be seen as a power broker for others who
are vying for national office. She was unable or unwilling to withstand politically motivated attacks, but she makes her living in politics. Christie's
fat, but I'm not sure he's a bastard. So he does his job all day and
eats too many donuts (and doesn't exercise enough). Maybe it's a
personal weakness, but it's not a professional failing.

Just seemed to be a non-sequitar comment to me.

I could probably find a better example about Christie, but my point was that the post is titled "Mitt Romney's Official Announcement". What does Palin's term as governor have to do with that?

Maybe if the post was titled "Mitt Romney's Official Announcement and Sarah Palin is an Attention Whore" it would make more sense.

It seemed petty to me. shrugs

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 02:55 PM (5d6vv)

513 Going after Mitt Romney has now become a litmus test for being a principled conservative.

Every candidate who doesn't bash Mitt Romney around is going to look lame.

It's like when T Paw made it lame for candidates not to bash subsidized ethanol (note Romney lamed out).

"who the fuck cares about Rudy?"

Mitt Romney. I mean, let's face it, if Rudy runs, he's a spoiler for Mitt. And his endorsement could mean something.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:55 PM (Q3nWV)

514 "he's a spoiler for Mitt"

I mean he'll cut into Mitt's votes, rather than help him.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:56 PM (Q3nWV)

515 Bashing Sarah and Rudy in favor of Romney.
Interesting.

Posted by: eleven at June 02, 2011 02:58 PM (7DB+a)

516 Just remember, the two weeks of the campaign that Obama was behind in the polls (in the 2008 election) were the 2 weeks right after Palin was announced as the GOP running mate. Of course, McCain instantly fixed that "problem" for Obama, but the fact remains she had Obama going backwards in support. We may have forgotten that fact, but I doubt the Dems have.
Candidates always get a temporary bump in the polls after naming a running mate. McCain could've announced a ham sandwich as his VP pick and he'd still would'vegotten a temporary boost in the poll numbers.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 02:58 PM (SY2Kh)

517 Not much difference between his policies and Barack Obama's policies that I can see.
Policy-wise, it's hard to differentiate Romney from Obama, but if you just look at the two guys, you can see the difference.
And Romney fans are, uh, single-issue voters.
You know, racists. Real ones.

Posted by: oblig. at June 02, 2011 02:58 PM (xvZW9)

518
I love the way this thread is going on, and the discussion is very smart and passionate, but I'm waiting for that bastard CharlieBrownsDildo to get back to me at #360.

Posted by: arhooley at June 02, 2011 02:58 PM (+/eKV)

519 It seemed petty to me

I think the point is that it was petty of Palin to not give Romney his day. Tit for tat. I denounce myself.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 02:58 PM (pW2o8)

520 "It seemed petty to me. shrugs

Posted by: mpurinTexas"

It's the kind of petty dig that people employ all the time. Sure, it was meant to 'punch back twice as hard' for Palin's lack of class (I'm jokingly pretending that's fair).

But that's part of the deal. I mean, people make these digs at Romney, endlessly. How many people will respond to anything Romney says with a dig that has nothing to do with what he said? It's just happened to Palin, and that's no biggie.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 02:58 PM (Q3nWV)

521 "I think the point is that it was petty of Palin to not give Romney his day. "

But that's silly. You don't really believe that. Palin was asked a question about Romney and expressed her predictable point honestly. She didn't try to upstage him. There's no preexisting rule against talking about Romney on Mitt Romney Day. It's not really in some book on being classy that we should resist criticizing people on the day they announce (I think the reality is that we should go out of our way to do so if we oppose them).

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:00 PM (Q3nWV)

522 Your tears sustain me

Posted by: rae4palin at June 02, 2011 03:00 PM (6RjJY)

523 Posted by: eleven at June 02, 2011 02:58 PM (7DB+a)

No it's not.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/300719.php

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:01 PM (plesI)

524 I have but one question: Did Romney move Massachusetts towards liberty or socialism during his 4 years as governor?

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 02, 2011 03:01 PM (FAyWo)

525
February 28, 2007

Setting aside any doubt, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona announced Wednesday he would seek the presidential nomination.

McCain, who had a presidential exploratory committee, made the declaration on the "Late Show with David Letterman," taped earlier Wednesday.

And on the same day:

ASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney sharply criticized the two frontrunners for the GOP presidential nomination and questioned their conservative credentials, in an interview Wednesday with Christian Broadcasting Network.

"He is pro-choice. He is pro-gay marriage and anti-gun. That's a tough combination in a Republican primary," Romney said of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Speaking about Arizona Sen. John McCain, Romney said, "I fought for a federal amendment to the constitution to establish marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman. Senator McCain voted against that."

Can't let the guy have a day? All class.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2011 03:03 PM (EeYDk)

526 But that's silly. You don't really believe that. Palin was asked a
question about Romney and expressed her predictable point honestly. She
didn't try to upstage him. There's no preexisting rule against talking
about Romney on Mitt Romney Day.

There are 57 states and 365 days in a year. Palin did not have to be in New Hampshire today. If she were a candidate, I'd say go for it. But she isn't. So, yeah, I think it reflects badly on her. It's not the end of the world, but it was snotty.

As for asked a question and answered, I'm still curious what your take was on Pawlenty's response to the question about Palin's cross-hairs diagram @399.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:04 PM (pW2o8)

527 hollowpoint --- you have made me very sad that you believe more will vote for barry than Sarah...
has the country changed so much that people will regress to sucking on the baby bottle ---even when the bottle is full of the poison that is socialism?

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 03:05 PM (+/c0N)

528 Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:00 PM (Q3nWV)

Right, poor simple Sarah had no idea going after Mitt would make news.

And there wasn't any way to deflect that question. Oh wait, there was.

"Mitt's making his announcement today. I'm not going to talk about
whatever differences we may have right now. Let's hear what he has to
say and focus on our common goal of defeating Barack Obama".

Palin never makes things about Palin, it's always someone else. Just like when Super Spy Valerie Plame just wanted to be left alone like Gretta Garbo. Just ignore all the interviews, the book and the movie deal.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:05 PM (plesI)

529 I think the point is that it was petty of Palin to not give Romney his day. Tit for tat. I denounce myself.

Ok, I guess I'm coming from the position that Palin didn't set out to upstage Romney. I could be wrong, I'll admit that.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 03:05 PM (5d6vv)

530 "He is pro-choice. He is pro-gay marriage and anti-gun. That's a tough
combination in a Republican primary," Romney said of former New York
City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

heavy dose of "irony" coming from the man who supported the assault weapons ban.

Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2011 03:07 PM (M9Ie6)

531 @529
Yeah, it's all good. Who knows.

It occurs to me that we spend so much more time thinking about these people than they spend thinking about us. What a world! :-)

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:07 PM (pW2o8)

532 Great catch, Laurie David's Cervix.

I think that is a big point. How can Mitt's fans be angry for something Mitt did to a much greater degree?

I see no problem with Mitt going out of his way to bash Mccain so forcefully on the day Mccain announced. Good. I wish Mitt had been the nominee.

But Palin didn't come within a mile of that level of aggressiveness. The tone is drastically more respectful, and yes, classy. Rudy did, but that's OK. We could practically call what Drew M is criticizing 'Pulling a Romney'.

And I think Romney's comments show how he can be expected to treat Palin should she announce her candidacy.

---

Anyway, Romney's shindig approach to his announcement is extremely toned down. He is going out of his way to make this *not Mitt Romney day* but just a day where they are eating good food and he happens to be running officially.

If Mitt isn't treating this like his big day, why should his competitors?

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:08 PM (Q3nWV)

533 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2011 03:03 PM (EeYDk)

Notice I made a distinction in the post that Palin was a non-candidate.

Mitt was a candidate. He wasn't playing coy.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:08 PM (plesI)

534 The stage isn't big enough for two 'moderate' Republicans. One must go.

Steel cage death match: Giuliani vs. Romney: Fight of the week if they're really lucky.

Come for the no-holds barred sneering contempt for 'extremist' Republicans, stay for the abject hypocrisy and CYA festival on their records!

I think it's just fine for anyone who wants to come out swinging at Romney to do exactly that, but I question what Giuliani thinks to accomplish with it. He's not exactly a darling to the conservative base. >_>

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 03:08 PM (Cy/Q5)

535 bitches should sit the fuck down on mitt romney day. snotty bitches.

Posted by: beta moron at June 02, 2011 03:10 PM (EM5SB)

536 You're an idiot, EM5SB.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:11 PM (pW2o8)

537 "
And there wasn't any way to deflect that question. Oh wait, there was."

Yes, Drew M, she could have refused to answer the question, or dodged it with your example.

Why should she, though? Mitt Romney provably wouldn't have. And why should he?

"
Right, poor simple Sarah had no idea going after Mitt would make news."

That's not what I'm saying at all. You're the one establishing a rule that Palin violated, but did you hold Mitt Romney to that rule when his competitors announced in 2008? How is it fair that he benefit from Mitt Romney Day, when he doesn't observe something like that against others?

Sure, of course Palin knew it would make news that she talked about Mitt Romney. Of course. But upstage his announcement? If that's true, that's not really her fault anyway, but I don't think it's true.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:11 PM (Q3nWV)

538 It occurs to me that we spend so much more time thinking about these
people than they spend thinking about us. What a world! :-)

True enough.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 03:12 PM (5d6vv)

539 "Notice I made a distinction in the post that Palin was a non-candidate.

Mitt was a candidate. He wasn't playing coy.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:08 PM (plesI)"I kinda don't see that as mattering at all.Romney has been bashing Obama before he was running. Not that he was playing coy yesterday.
With all due respect, Drew, I think you're seeing Palin's behavior in the harshest light. I don't mind that you're picking on her. I don't mind if you want to bring up her resignation the way Romney's bashers will bring up anything they want anytime.But let's not overstate Palin's awful coy sinister behavior. And Mitt Romney was obviously running for president for a long time, so today's announcement is practically nothing.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:14 PM (Q3nWV)

540 Gotcha. Non-candidates should just sit down and shut up.

Don't answer any questions. Don't give any opinions. Just. Shut. Up.

Because. Why? I said so.

Posted by: whatever at June 02, 2011 03:14 PM (afWhQ)

541 Mitt's speech was magnificent. A turd de force. Anyone who says otherwise cannot be trusted as an analyst.

Posted by: Drew Hewitt at June 02, 2011 03:14 PM (K/USr)

542 It occurs to me that we spend so much more time thinking about these people than they spend thinking about us.

Woah. That's heavy, man.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:15 PM (+sBB4)

543 You're the one establishing a rule that Palin violated, but did you hold
Mitt Romney to that rule when his competitors announced in 2008?
Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:11 PM (Q3nWV)

Is Palin Mitt's competitor? Last I heard she wasn't in the race. Didn't even have an exploratory committee.

Seems that makes a difference.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:15 PM (plesI)

544 I guess Drew's point is that Romney can't very well punch back at Palin right now. He can't say she is a bad candidate, since she's 'coy'.

I guess that's actually a better point than I initially saw.

But he'll have his chance. This isn't a big deal.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:15 PM (Q3nWV)

545 WE decide what the issue is in the general. The voters. thats why we have blogs and talk radio and tea parties.
Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:45 PM (OUBcB)
Really? Those you mention may have some input, but the MBM will do their damndest to push whatever Obama wants. Do you remember the '08 election?

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 03:15 PM (AkdC5)

546 How is it fair that he benefit from Mitt Romney Day, when he doesn't observe something like that against others?

When someone announces, they've made a commitment to a slew of supporters to fight tooth and nail for the nomination and ultimate victory. Let's face it, most of us were pissed off at McCain for failing to deliver that sort of fighting spirit against Obama.

When you're running, money is tight and every chance for free publicity you can get - and every shot at your opponent you can take - is critical.

Palin is not a candidate. Hell, she's not even someone like Rush who has to generate content for a show every day. She should have waited one day to roll into NH.

Personally, I think she is making herself more on more irrelevant. She's not drawing new people into the GOP and she's losing people who had previously been disposed favorably toward her. And I think that if she is planning on running, which is not a decision made in one day but over a long period of time, she's behaving unethically by keeping her free media time on Fox.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:16 PM (pW2o8)

547 Awesome, AOSHQ's arbiter of announcement day etiquette nowhas flagged Rudy for not being properly respectful of his mentor on his big day. Such a classless bunch. tut-tut

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 02, 2011 03:16 PM (K/USr)

548 Notice I made a distinction in the post that Palin was a non-candidate.

Mitt was a candidate. He wasn't playing coy.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:08 PM (plesI)

I fail to see why it should make any difference whether it be a candidate, or a private citizen, or a media darling private citizen "hitting" a Presidential candidate on their 'announcement day' over their policies. Regarding this thing about how we all need to focus on our common ground of "beating Barack Obama", there's plenty of time for that after the primaries are done.

The primaries are yet to come. >_> The infighting's about to get a hell of a lot worse than this, and this isn't even infighting.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 03:17 PM (Cy/Q5)

549 I guess Drew's point is that Romney can't very well punch back at Palin
right now. He can't say she is a bad candidate, since she's 'coy'.

Sure he can. He can say "Sarah, until you're ready to jump in the race, your opinions are best kept to yourself."

That's essentially what Drew was saying, so why couldn't Mitt?

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 03:17 PM (5d6vv)

550 The less I think about big government "Republicans" like Mittens, the better I feel.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 02, 2011 03:17 PM (FAyWo)

551 "Is Palin Mitt's competitor? Last I heard she wasn't in the race. Didn't even have an exploratory committee."

Yes, she is his competitor, and yes, she is in the race. Just as much as Mitt Romney was last week.

I don't see why someone officially announcing they are running means they have more license to criticize, endorse, and the like. Same for Rudy.

I'm glad Rudy is bashing Mitt, and it seems completely justified because Mitt was bashing Rudy the day he announced in 2008.

The only point I'm granting is that it is very, very tricky to criticize Palin. When she announces, this idea Drew has about 'let him have his day' will almost certainly prevail in her benefit. Before she announces, it's gotta be awkward for Romney to directly respond to her the way he probably wants to. Anyone who discusses her will be walking a minefield.

And yes, Palin cultivates it. It's politics, and I don't appreciate that.

But again, she had every right to bash him on his day he went out of his way to keep low key.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:19 PM (Q3nWV)

552 Drew, you are wasting your youth worrying about some retired grandma riding around in a bus.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:20 PM (+sBB4)

553 Yes, she is his competitor, and yes, she is in the race. Just as much as Mitt Romney was last week.
Then Fox needs to fire her. Now.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:21 PM (pW2o8)

554 " He can say "Sarah, until you're ready to jump in the race, your opinions are best kept to yourself."

That's essentially what Drew was saying, so why couldn't Mitt?

Posted by: mpurinTexas"

Mitt would face a lot of hassle if he did.

But at some point, someone is going to have to directly and strongly criticize Palin. If Mitt can't do it, then he isn't ready to run against Obama. The same problem exists at that level. It's very similar in some ways.

But my point is that some will indeed cry foul if Romney attacks Palin right now, as she merely travels the country. I think that's part of Drew's complaint with this 'coy' business. That's not low class, but it is interesting.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:21 PM (Q3nWV)

555 Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:15 PM (Q3nWV)

Basically.

If you're in the arena, you're in the arena.

If Christie did this I'd say the same thing.

Honestly, I don't think Pawlenty or Cain should do what Romney did in '07. We'll see if they do.

If beating Obama is Job One (and it is) then Palin shouldn't be sitting around a FNC studio or on a summer vacation, she should get in and do something about it. Or at the very least, not attack those that are trying to do it.

But if you're not going to get in, then don't kibbitz from the sideline on the day someone else steps up to the plate.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:22 PM (plesI)

556 "Then Fox needs to fire her. Now.

Posted by: Y-not"

Why?

Free country. Let's not make big deals out of everything Palin does. She's been running for President for two years. Mitt Romney for ... six.

The day they announce is ... practically meaningless to Americans.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:23 PM (Q3nWV)

557
Personally, I think she is making herself more
on more irrelevant. She's not drawing new people into the GOP and she's
losing people who had previously been disposed favorably toward her.
And I think that if she is planning on running, which is not a decision
made in one day but over a long period of time, she's behaving
unethically by keeping her free media time on Fox.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:16 PM (pW2o

That seems more like projection than anything else. Even supposing that it's true, 'unethical free media time'? Hell, we're looking at Mad Max Does America in a Decade or Less, and we're complaining about an actual honest-to-God conservative having 'unethical free media time'?! And since when does a private citizen have to wait on going anywhere that doesn't involve actual security details for a politician? You can't get into a speech without passing through security, and that's well and fine, but the state of New Hampshire doesn't belong to Mittens Romneycare.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 03:23 PM (Cy/Q5)

558 This is worse in someways than Palin.
Hey, this is Ace of Spades HQ, is it not? Around here, NOTHING is worse than Palin.

Posted by: OCBill at June 02, 2011 03:23 PM (YJvVE)

559 hollowpoint --- you have made me very sad that you believe more will vote for barry than Sarah...
has the country changed so much that people will regress to sucking on the baby bottle ---even when the bottle is full of the poison that is socialism?
Be sad all you like, but every indication is that she would lose. Badly.
How many times do voters have to tell you in the form of national polling that they won't vote for her before you start to believe it? She has almost universal name recognition, yet despite maintaining a very high profile for the last three years, her approval ratings have gone down, not up.
If she could quickly turn that around, why hasn't she done it already?
Hell, last I checked her approval rating was no better than Obama's in her home state of Alaska, a strong Republican stronghold.
Even if you completely ignored the polls, her electability shortcomings should be obvious- the resignation, the unserious andunpresidential behavior, the needless drama, her unwillingness to engage in debate outside of friendly venues, etc.
Obama is beatable, but not with a candidate the voters dislike and consider unqualified and unworthy of the presidency.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 02, 2011 03:24 PM (SY2Kh)

560 556
"Then Fox needs to fire her. Now.

Posted by: Y-not"

Why?

---

Did you completely miss Fox suspending two potential candidates (Gingrich and Santorum) in March?

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:25 PM (pW2o8)

561 But if you're not going to get in, then don't kibbitz from the sideline on the day someone else steps up to the plate.

HAHAHAHA! Really? So, Governor Palin is paid to giver her opinion, it is solicited, but she shouldn't give it today because Mittens announced what was a foregone conclusion?

You need to get out more. . .

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 02, 2011 03:25 PM (FAyWo)

562 And how the hell do people space things without getting that funny dotted line interrupting the hell out of a post?

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 03:26 PM (Cy/Q5)

563 "But if you're not going to get in, then don't kibbitz from the sideline on the day someone else steps up to the plate.

Posted by: DrewM"

I do get what you're saying, but it's a clever tactic, politically. I do admire that about Palin. She is not a sweetie. She means to keep him out of the nomination, and I don't think Mitt has a good answer to that.

I even think it's fair. Mitt's camp was critical of Palin and other candidates before he announced. OK... that's not going to get the headlines. Most people never heard about it.

I know electability matters a lot to you, and I think you're right, and that means we should allow some degree of hardball trick crap.

And again, I'm not complaining that you took a dig at Palin. Totally legit. Though the classy thing is silly.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:26 PM (Q3nWV)

564 Then Fox needs to fire her. Now.

I smell fear. She is simply riding around in a bus. She has no campaign operation like others had.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:27 PM (+sBB4)

565 as if barry thesocialistwas worthy of the presidency

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 03:28 PM (+/c0N)

566
Did you completely miss Fox suspending two potential candidates (Gingrich and Santorum) in March?

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:25 PM (pW2o

That's on Fox, though. Neither of them draw crowds or viewership the way Palin does. Perhaps they are reluctant to part with her for that reason.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 03:28 PM (Cy/Q5)

567 "
Did you completely miss Fox suspending two potential candidates (Gingrich and Santorum) in March?

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:25 PM (pW2o

Did you completely miss how I didn't see the need for them to?Well, granted, I never said anything about it, but yeah, I don't care about that. Palin is running for President right now, however, not officially, just... in actuality. It's not a big deal to me.
Honestly, I could care less about Fox. You shouting they should fire her sounds a little over the top.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:29 PM (Q3nWV)

568 It's fun and easy to poke fun at Palin-obsessed posters. Reminds me of the good old pre-weiner days.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:30 PM (+sBB4)

569 Fine, but the MFM is determined to write the narrative, so why let them just make stuff up? Palin's answer was fairly thoughtful, it's seems to me that the MFM is the one trying to make this into a shit slinging confrontation.
And if you just keep your mouth shut?
Palin has every right to rip into Mitt...and I would probably agree with her 90% of the time. But if Palin is sooooo new media savy, why did she fall into such an obvious trap unless she wanted to take a swipe at Romney on the day he was announcing?
And thank you for proving my point in post number 409.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 03:30 PM (OWjjx)

570 That seems more like projection than anything else.

Maybe. My anecdotal evidence tells me she is not Reagan. She is not bringing Democrats into the fold and she is losing those "establishment Republicans" that, believe it or not, vote.

I think this establishment Republicans bogey man is really unhelpful and inaccurate. It's not just the handful of DC power brokers. Establishment Republicans includes a lot of rank and file members who vote loyally GOP every year. People like my dad and my aunt and my neighbors. I think people who are not captivated by Palin's personality look at her and see someone without the experience or temperament to get this country out of this mess.

But maybe I'm wrong. I just have never met a Democrat who didn't really dislike Palin and I've met a lot of Republicans who do not think she's qualified to be President.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:31 PM (pW2o8)

571 �I can promise you that was never a consideration at all,� she said. �In fact, if he personally would be offended by me stepping foot in a state he was in, I wouldn�t do it. But I don�t believe that Gov. Romney is offended at all that we happen to have on our schedule a stop to meet some good people and have some good New Hampshire food at this time.�
I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 03:32 PM (AkdC5)

572 HAHAHAHA! Really? So, Governor
Palin is paid to giver her opinion, it is solicited, but she shouldn't
give it today because Mittens announced what was a foregone conclusion?

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 02, 2011 03:25 PM (FAyWo)

She's getting paid for this bus trip?

By who exactly? Other than the money her PAC is taking in I mean.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:33 PM (plesI)

573 Did you completely miss how I didn't see the need for them to?

So the rules about media time that apply to every other candidate don't apply to Palin? Really?

We have to elect Palin at all costs, whether she's behaving unethically or not or breaking campaign rules.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:33 PM (pW2o8)

574
But maybe I'm wrong. I just have never met a Democrat who didn't
really like Palin Romney and I've met a lot of Republicans conservatives who do not think
she's he's qualified to be President.

FIFM

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 02, 2011 03:34 PM (FAyWo)

575 Oh, and is anyone bitching that Huntsman and some other potential candidates are doing their own thing in NH today, or does the criticism only apply to Palin?
Opps! That's right. Nobody's paying any attention to anything those other potential candidates are doing.

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 03:35 PM (AkdC5)

576 Here... I will settle this once and for all.
No to Romney
No to Palin
Next!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 03:35 PM (OWjjx)

577 "she's behaving
unethically by keeping her free media time on Fox.

Posted by: Y-not"

I missed this one.

She's a freakin' politician. What do you expect? She wants to reach out to people. Before she kicks off an official campaign, everything she does that is appealing is in some way political, and for Palin, very calculated. So what? That isn't unethical or classless or evil. It's just how things work.

The best way to approach Palin is soberly. She's not experienced enough. She's not popular in swing states.

But this 'she's unethical' business will never work, because everyone knows she's one of the good guys. She's ethical, patriotic, and just a good person. It should be easy to grant as much while noting she's not presidential in your opinion. That's more persuasive.

I am worried that Palin will be the nominee. Beating Obama is too important to risk on someone who is that unpopular. I am particularly worried that Palin will benefit from the less persuasive attacks that tend to dominate the arguments against her.

Reread Drew M's post from my POV as someone who doesn't want Palin to be the nominee, but does think she's a good person with every right to be a clever politician. So Palin answered a question about Romney on his day, knowing that it would get attention. Big deal. Let's move on to discussing the pros and cons of each candidate. I'm not telling Drew not to cover events like this, but it's not going to change minds against her.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:35 PM (Q3nWV)

578 So, those of you who think that Palin should have cut Mittens some special slack during his Coming Out Party by avoiding 2 direct questions from a reporter.
..

Sort of like how Weiner is avoiding answering direct questions.

...

Why is avoiding questions on one thread a bad thing and on this thread a good thing?

..

Can't have it both ways Mitten wearers.

Posted by: Mark E at June 02, 2011 03:37 PM (w5RwR)

579 We have to elect Palin at all costs, whether she's behaving unethically or not or breaking campaign rules.

Step back from the ledge. The weiner will sustain you.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:37 PM (+sBB4)

580 So the rules about media time that apply to every other candidate don't apply to Palin? Really? We have to elect Palin at all costs, whether she's behaving unethically or not or breaking campaign rules.

Posted by: Y-not

This doesn't relate to anything I actually said. It's just hyperventilating nonsense.

In fact, you reacted to me expressing an equal standard for all candidates with the opposite view, that I want Palin to get special treatment.

I don't care about who Fox News hires, and I don't agree that it's unethical for politicians to reach out to voters. I don't see how this is some 'all costs' horrible stain on democracy, either. It's freedom of speech. Any restriction on political speech is wrong. As far as I'm concerned, Fox should give the candidates it likes their own shows, all the way to election day.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:38 PM (Q3nWV)

581 We have to elect Palin at all costs, whether she's behaving unethically or not or breaking campaign rules.
Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:33 PM (pW2o

Care to inform uswhat campaign rules she's breaking and how she's behaving unethically. Ever think that Fox suspended Santorum and whothe fuckeverbecauseFox was convinced they were running? Ever think that Palin may truly not have decided one way or the other?

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 03:39 PM (AkdC5)

582 I smell fear. She is simply riding around in a bus. She has no campaign operation like others had.

No, really it's not fear. It's irritation with a person I used to like and respect who is behaving as crassly opportunistic as all the rest of them do.

I was responding to a specific assertion by Dustin that Palin is already a candidate the same as Romney was before he announced. Of course, it's incorrect because she does not have the campaign apparatus in place (like Romney did) which is why Fox doesn't have to fire her.

I do not know - and kind of don't care - if Santorum or Gingrich had those things in place when Fox fired them. And, sure, Palin is a money maker. But shame on Fox for holding some people to a different standard than others... if they believe she's running. And shame on Palin if she is running and hasn't quit that gig. After all, she's a great fundraiser and media-savvy person who is the front-runner for the nomination. Why should she need to even give the appearance of behaving unethically by staying with Fox?

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:39 PM (pW2o8)

583 Posted by: Mark E at June 02, 2011 03:37 PM (w5RwR)

So if Andrew Sullivan showed up and started asking questions about Trig, you would have expected her to answer straight forwardly otherwise she'd be no better than Anthony Weiner.

There's a saying about Hobgoblins and small minds. You should look it up.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:41 PM (plesI)

584 Ynot, you convinced me. I will never watch Fox again.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:41 PM (+sBB4)

585 So if Andrew Sullivan showed up and started asking questions about Trig, you would have expected her to answer straight forwardly otherwise she'd be no better than Anthony Weiner.There's a saying about Hobgoblins and small minds. You should look it up.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:41 PM (plesI)
That is about stupid as shit.

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 03:42 PM (AkdC5)

586 All the milk has been squeezed out of this teet.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:44 PM (+sBB4)

587 "So if Andrew Sullivan showed up and started asking questions about Trig,"

?

Compared with asking about Romney's announcement he's officially running?

That's like if CNN asked Weiner if 9/11 was an inside job vs asking him if he send that picture that his verified account send.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:45 PM (Q3nWV)

588 You should have listened to the speech.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2011 01:45 PM (TMB3S)

I did, or at least part of it.
Sounded like 5 or 6 people where clapping at the applause lines.

Posted by: Mark E at June 02, 2011 03:47 PM (w5RwR)

589 So if Andrew Sullivan showed up and started asking questions about
Trig, you would have expected her to answer straight forwardly otherwise
she'd be no better than Anthony Weiner.

There's a saying about Hobgoblins and small minds. You should look it up.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:41 PM (plesI)
Can't even mock this one... How low are you planning to go today?

Posted by: beta moron at June 02, 2011 03:48 PM (EM5SB)

590 It's not about dates, it's about class.Would it have killed Palin to say, "Mitt's making his announcement today. I'm not going to talk about whatever differences we may have right now. Let's hear what he has to say and focus on our common goal of defeating Barack Obama".Is that too much to ask from someone who isn't in the race?
Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI)
Thank you.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 02, 2011 03:48 PM (Eskni)

591 That is about stupid as shit.
I lol

Posted by: eleven at June 02, 2011 03:49 PM (7DB+a)

592 Under 47 USC 315, Fox would need to provide equal time to other candidates. I believe this is why they let Gingrich and Santorum go and why they said they were still mulling over what to do about Huckabee and Palin.

In addition, it jeopardizes their status as a news outlet (at least ethically, I don't know the legalities of it) to have candidates on salary.

I believe Forbes and Bloomberg both distanced themselves from their media enterprises when they were candidates.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:50 PM (pW2o8)

593 Under BR549, you are obsessed

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:54 PM (+sBB4)

594 Under 47 USC 315, Fox would need to provide equal time to other candidates. I believe this is why they let Gingrich and Santorum go and why they said they were still mulling over what to do about Huckabee and Palin. In addition, it jeopardizes their status as a news outlet (at least ethically, I don't know the legalities of it) to have candidates on salary. I believe Forbes and Bloomberg both distanced themselves from their media enterprises when they were candidates.
Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:50 PM (pW2o

And what part of "Palin is not a candidate, and has not made up her mind if she is running" do you not get?

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 03:54 PM (AkdC5)

595 March 3rd:

Bret Baier, the anchor of Fox News' "Special Report," announced the
contract suspensions of Gingrich and Santorum on-air Wednesday, saying
"Fox News has suspended its contributor arrangements with former House
Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum,
both of whom who have considered possible runs for the president."

Baier also hinted that it may not be the only announcement that the
network has planned, without actually committing to whether more actions
would be necessary. "This is Fox policy, this is the announcement made
today. It does not preclude other announcements that may be made in
the future. But that's what we have today, this 60-day suspension and
then by May 1st a determination on whether they're going to run and then
those contracts would be terminated."

In an exclusive interview given to the "Los Angeles Times" Wednesday,
Fox News executive vice president of legal and business affairs said
the channel will make a decision on contracts with Palin and Huckabee
"as soon as each of them shows some serious intention to form an
exploratory committee."

She indicated that the news organization would "take the same action"
if any other contributors make serious moves toward a presidential run,
noting that "Huckabee is on a book tour, so I think his present
intention is to sell books," and that Palin "hasn't yet shown a serious
intention to form an exploratory committee." No mention was made of
Bolton.
---
You know what would be excellent? It would be outstanding for our chances in 2012 if Fox News were so badly damaged in the public eye for skating too close to the line on FCC rules governing campaign appearances and financing that people started turning to MSNBC and CNN instead.

That would be terrific.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:55 PM (pW2o8)

596 Is Christie looking for feral pigs when he's flying around in helicopters?

I think he may have broken the law under 47 USC 315.

/yeaawwwww

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 03:57 PM (+sBB4)

597 And if you just keep your mouth shut?
Palin has every right to rip into Mitt...and I would probably agree
with her 90% of the time. But if Palin is sooooo new media savy, why
did she fall into such an obvious trap unless she wanted to take a swipe
at Romney on the day he was announcing?
And thank you for proving my point in post number 409.

"PALIN SILENT ON ROMNEY CANDIDACY"

I didn't say she was "sooooooo new media savvy". I'm just thinking that, after being publicly ass raped by the media for several years, maybe she figures she'll try to control what she actually says as opposed to what the MFM says she says.

And yeah, thanks for making me scroll all the way back to 409.

Yeah, free publicity is good, as long as they spell your name right.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 03:57 PM (5d6vv)

598 PeterHambyCNN Peter Hamby RT @jaketapper: DNC sending out links to stories claiming @SarahPalinUSA bus tour �overshadowing� @MittRomney announcement.5 minutes ago
Hmmmmm.

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 03:57 PM (AkdC5)

599 And what part of "Palin is not a candidate, and has not made up her mind if she is running" do you not get?

Catch up, Steph. Dustin asserted as fact that Palin was a candidate just like Romney was.

I said that, if so, Fox needs to fire her (as they did with other candidates who had not even announced yet).

That's the context.

If the bus tour is a prelude to running, then I think she should resign her position on Fox. She doesn't need the free airtime and it would show that she is staying far away from the grey area governing these things. It would make her look good to a public that, after all, was fed many stories about her ethics violations in Alaska.

If she's not running, then I think she should be a bit more measured in how she treats the folks from her own party who are running. Whoever it was who said upthread that the priority is helping the GOP get rid of Obama is right, imho.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 04:00 PM (pW2o8)

600

But maybe I'm wrong. I just have never met a
Democrat who didn't really dislike Palin and I've met a lot of
Republicans who do not think she's qualified to be President.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:31 PM (pW2o

I can understand the 'she is not electable' point of view, and, to an extent, I can sympathize with it. Simply telling people the hard truth wins few friends, and precious little support, and, whether fair or not (unfair, in my mind), she is widely labeled a quitter, and that's not a good way to win an election. However, we are at a point in time where half measures simply will not cut it. In order to turn this rapidly floundering ship around, we need something closer to unbridled aggression than reasoned moderation. I'm not even sure that Palin has the aggression required, but I know for certain that no one else on the ticket is anywhere close. Our livelihoods are under attack, and leaders who have been too friendly with those seeking to destroy us simply will not cut it this time around. We need a fighter. I do not believe the right combatant is out there, but I think Palin closer to the mark than anyone else at this time.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 04:01 PM (Cy/Q5)

601 600 for crazy town Alex

Posted by: Cherry π at June 02, 2011 04:01 PM (+sBB4)

602 Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:45 PM (Q3nWV)

What? Mark E says asking Palin to sidestep a direct question is hypocritical when I expect Weiner to answer the questions.

My point is not all questions are the same.

Of course Palin and Weiner are different cases. Take it up with Mark who thinks all questions have to be answered directly.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 04:03 PM (plesI)

603 307 Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 01:38 PM (plesI)
Yeah, sure, Drew: snipe at Palin with a left-wing talking point that you know is bullshit, then tell usit's all aboutbeing classy.

Posted by: YFS at June 02, 2011 04:03 PM (EuevW)

604 Just to be clear...Palin shouldn't have to answer Sullivan's questions. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to hammer Weiner for being evasive.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 04:04 PM (plesI)

605 If the bus tour is a prelude to running, then I think she should resign
her position on Fox. She doesn't need the free airtime and it would
show that she is staying far away from the grey area governing these
things. It would make her look good to a public that, after all, was
fed many stories about her ethics violations in Alaska.

Based on Fox's policy, I'd say that the fact they haven't terminated
Palin's contract is a fair indicator that she's already told them she's
not running. IMO

Nope, I'm just going cross country to fuck with the media and see some scenery.

If
she's not running, then I think she should be a bit more measured in how
she treats the folks from her own party who are running. Whoever it
was who said upthread that the priority is helping the GOP get rid of
Obama is right, imho.
I'm still of the opinion that she's running interference for someone else. Those who said that Romney must be kept away from the nomination are right, imho.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 04:05 PM (5d6vv)

606 Posted by: YFS at June 02, 2011 04:03 PM (EuevW)

What leftwing talking point?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 04:05 PM (plesI)

607 If she's not running, then I think she should be a bit more measured in how she treats the folks from her own party who are running. Whoever it was who said upthread that the priority is helping the GOP get rid of Obama is right, imho.
Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 04:00 PM (pW2o

Like those folks in her own partyhave beenso measured in how they've treated her when all she's really done over the last 2 years is try to advance the conservative message?
That said, if she doesn't run I probably won't vote the presidential ticket in the primary, but will work my ass off to elect whomever wins the primary, as I have done since '72.

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 04:06 PM (AkdC5)

608 I'm still of the opinion that she's running interference for someone else.

Yeah, maybe.

I think it would be Bachmann, if she bases her endorsement on ideology.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 04:06 PM (pW2o8)

609
You know what would be excellent? It
would be outstanding for our chances in 2012 if Fox News were so badly
damaged in the public eye for skating too close to the line on FCC rules
governing campaign appearances and financing that people started
turning to MSNBC and CNN instead.

That would be terrific.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 03:55 PM (pW2o

I don't know many people who actually watch Fox. (In my city, I think there are perhaps ten people who watch MSNBC, and CNN only plays in the restaurants) Believe it or not, most of the people I know are turning off the news channels nowadays, and turning to the internet for their sources, or to those among us who frequent the interweb and certain Smart Military Blogs�. The internet is the way to go - it's so much faster, more up-to-date, and contains information that you cannot get from traditional news channels.Anecdotal, perhaps, but that is my experience.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 04:06 PM (Cy/Q5)

610 I don't know many people who actually watch Fox.

It seems as though whenever Drudge posts the ratings/viewership numbers, Fox News blows the other two out of the water. So I think someone is watching.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 04:08 PM (pW2o8)

611 I think it would be Bachmann, if she bases her endorsement on ideology.
No, Bachmann will go down in flames, with or without Palin's help.

Perry is my guess.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 04:09 PM (5d6vv)

612 It seems as though whenever Drudge posts the
ratings/viewership numbers, Fox News blows the other two out of the
water. So I think someone is watching.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 04:08 PM (pW2o

That is for certain, but it always looks to me, when I see those ratings sheets, that not a lot of people are watching television news at all, compared to the general populace.Then again, 52% of the nation elected Obama, so it could just be that the majority of the nation is still full of airheads who don't peruse the news at all.In fact, that's probably it. -_- sigh.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at June 02, 2011 04:10 PM (Cy/Q5)

613 �She will certainly be in New Hampshire to rain on Mitt�s parade,� wrote Massachusetts GOP spokesman Tim Buckley in an e-mail obtained by the Herald. Bay State GOP officials confirmed yesterday that Buckley wrote the e-mail, but said it was a private exchange and not an official communication.
�I guess she blew in with the storm,� sniffed state House minority leader Bradley H. Jones (R-North Reading) yesterday, a longtime Romney supporter. �She may generate a lot of attention, but given the choice between seeing Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney, I�d much rather see Romney��
�..�It is becoming more and more clear to people that this is about Sarah and her brand and not a presidential campaign,� said one Romney consultant, who added, �She�s not making any friends within the political communities. If you cared about things like delegates and primaries, I think you�d be a little more attentive.�
Yep, Sarah should have kept quiet, right? She had no reason to say anything, at all, about Romney 'cause Lord knows his minions wouldn't do anything to bash her the day before he announced.

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 04:11 PM (AkdC5)

614 Another tidbit from the same article...
Still, the rogue road trip put Palin back in the national spotlight, said Steve Duprey, a national Republican committeeman in New Hampshire whose wife volunteers for Romney but who said he is neutral in the race.
�Simply by putting her family in a bus and touring around the country she�s generating more media attention than most candidates,� Duprey said. �All the discussions before were about other candidates. She�s changed the conversation just by getting on a bus.�

Posted by: Steph at June 02, 2011 04:12 PM (AkdC5)

615 Palin-----""He is going to be a great candidate and has a lot to offer. I look forward to hearing what he has to say these coming months.""

It took 3-4 questions about Romney and the Tea Party before she even mentioned the one critique about mandates. She wasn't trouncing on Romneys parade. Watch the damn interview. It was as soft as one could get while being asked the questions she was asked.

Posted by: Keven at June 02, 2011 04:14 PM (UMRed)

616 "If she's not running, then I think she should be a bit more measured in how she treats the folks from her own party who are running. "

You just screamed she was unethical and should be fired, dude. What defines measured, exactly? It's clear you have an axe to grind, and even me, someone who doesn't want her nominated, gets that axe in the face because I am not on board your program.

-----

"What? Mark E says asking Palin to sidestep a direct question is hypocritical when I expect Weiner to answer the questions."

I can't keep up. If Palin wants to answer a question, I don't mind.

To be clear: if Palin had shown up to Romney's speech today and criticized him to his face, I would not mind that either. If Fox announced it was going to have a program called "Sarah Palin should be President" I wouldn't mind. Sure, there are legal issues, but I'm talking about my personal opinion. Obviously they have incentives to follow unconstitutional restrictions on political speech.

I don't seen anything wrong with Drew M's tone or arguments, but it is the best way to help Palin be the nominee. Just read that post and think about it. It's setting up Romney to an unfairly easy standard that he doesn't live up to unless you assert artificial and silly rules about when you get to criticize others. It's setting Palin up as the victim, as usual.

Let's stop making a big deal out of Palin, or reacting to defenses of her conduct with strawmans such as 'oh, you think Palin shouldn't be criticized at all!'

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 04:16 PM (Q3nWV)

617 Perry/Palin2012
Palin/Perry2012
totally a winning ticket
will totally turn barry's campaign into very expensive dogfood

Posted by: nygal at June 02, 2011 04:18 PM (+/c0N)

618 One thing's for sure. This thread's got me thinking a hell of lot more about Rick Perry.
I probably just doomed him.

Posted by: eleven at June 02, 2011 04:23 PM (7DB+a)

619 468 "I am in the TP and ...

Posted by: ginaswo at June 02, 2011 02:32 PM (OUBcB)

Come to think of it, wasn't "Crazy Jack" Dean in the NY26 election a Tea Party member, too?

Posted by: Former Lurker at June 02, 2011 04:24 PM (Z1gvr)

620 Is Keven right?

I took Drew's word for it that she was hard on Romney, but if Keven is right, he went out of her way a few times to be really nice to Romney.

And again, if Drew wants to criticize her anyway, that's cool. Do it. but it's not persuasive because people will eventually realize she wasn't nearly as classless and mean as reported. When they realize that, they rally to her defense.

If Keven's right, Palin was nicer to Romney than he's been to his competitors. Much nicer. Ridiculously nicer.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 04:25 PM (Q3nWV)

621 I saw the speech and Romney was good. His delivery is a little better than before and he looked "presidential" but not quite as stiff as he did in the past.

He said all the right things, I believe, and as I watched him it dawned on me he can beat Obama. Obama is toast if the GOP can put forward a credible candidate with wide appeal.

I'm a big Sarah Palin fan but I don't think this is her time. But, in fact, I don't think she's planning to enter unless, as she said a while back, no credible conservative runs and/or gets the nomination. I think she was being truthful and her recent escapades are a little "thumb in the eye" to the media. Who can blame her? She may prove me wrong but something about what's she doing right now doesn't seem like someone who is seriously running.

I think if Romney doesn't get gaffing fits and keeps more on the conservative message, I think he'll take the nomination.

Posted by: Full Moon at June 02, 2011 04:26 PM (m75CK)

622 Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 04:25 PM (Q3nWV)

Just follow the link and see for yourself.

Keven left out just a few other parts.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 04:31 PM (plesI)

623 Just a thought, but I remember when Hillary was going to be the nominee, and some people said that it would be hard to say anything against her without getting all of the womens' groups claiming sexism. We got Barry instead, and got called racists. Just curious, but are the Dems the only people who get to call people names? Cause nobody seems to have a problem going after Sarah even though she is (all) woman.

Posted by: chillin the most at June 02, 2011 04:32 PM (6IV8T)

624 I was impressed with Romney's speeches last time around. I think it's his strong suit. Too bad about the romneycares...wtf

Posted by: eleven at June 02, 2011 04:36 PM (7DB+a)

625 496 "She was unable or unwilling to withstand politically motivated attacks..."

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2011 02:42 PM (pW2o

That's a lie. She clearly stated her reasons. This wasn't one of them.

Posted by: Former Lurker at June 02, 2011 04:37 PM (Z1gvr)

626 I left out the part where she said it was too early to specualte on the hypothetical of her being Mitts VP, the part where she said Mitts states right argument on madates was a "good argument", and that if Mitt had told her he didn't want her in the same state as him she wouldn't be there.

I would link to the interview but I don't know how to tinyurl

Posted by: Keven at June 02, 2011 04:44 PM (UMRed)

627 543 You're the one establishing a rule that Palin violated, but did you hold Mitt Romney to that rule when his competitors announced in 2008? Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 03:11 PM (Q3nWV)Is Palin Mitt's competitor? Last I heard she wasn't in the race. Didn't even have an exploratory committee.Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 03:15 PM (plesI)

So, then, Drew, where is your announcement? Or your exploratory committee? You, yourself, have bashed Romney in this threadmore than Palin did in her speech, so shouldn't you be ratherapologetic right aboutnow? After all, you aren't in the race either.

Posted by: Former Lurker at June 02, 2011 04:55 PM (Z1gvr)

628 What leftwing talking point?
You're kidding, right?

Posted by: YFS at June 02, 2011 05:18 PM (EuevW)

629 Posted by: YFS at June 02, 2011 05:18 PM (EuevW)

I'm not.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 05:24 PM (plesI)

630 Keven left out just a few other parts.

Posted by: DrewM.

Respectfully, what link? Twitter? Not good enough. CNN? They only repeat the quotes the want, as you wisely noted they would make a big deal out of this.

I'm sure someone did post a link to her nice comments about Romney that led up to the point about Romneycare, and I'm just missing it (not sarcasm).

But I'll just take this as you admitting she was nice to Romney for a while. I'm not trying to be a jerk about that, but it seems like you're granting she was going out of her way to praise Romney, and then there are 'a few other parts' which she criticizes him.

I know you're honest, Drew M. Seriously. I just think maybe the standard you're imposing is not the best one. It is consistent only because of ad hoc rules slapped on about when someone can criticize someone. In reality, it is utterly inconsistent.

I mean... she's being nice to him for a while, with a point that she doesn't agree with him on some things, and sees that as a Tea Party POV. Big deal.

I get your point that she's coy. That's a totally legit aspect to point out. I also think she's trying to hard to avoid criticism. Just as Romney needs to be able to criticize Palin if he wants to show he can face Obama, Palin needs to show she can take the heat.

Posted by: Dustin at June 02, 2011 05:31 PM (Q3nWV)

631 Wow. Okay, I'll take the bait: the "Palin is a quitter" talking point you neatly wrapped up in "but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to serve his full term."
But who knows?Maybe some anonymous prankster Tweeted that package without your knowledge.

Posted by: YFS at June 02, 2011 05:45 PM (EuevW)

632 I didn't say she was "sooooooo new media savvy". I'm just thinking that, after being publicly ass raped by the media for several years, maybe she figures she'll try to control what she actually says as opposed to what the MFM says she says.
Mallamutt's Theory on Palin Run Still Unrefutted.
All of her ardent supporters claim that she is sooooo new media savy. And the subsequent posts prove she was not silent.
Again, she despise the media but walks into the trap for a reason....and it ain't cause she is stupid.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 02, 2011 05:46 PM (OWjjx)

633 Mallamutt's Theory on Palin Run Still Unrefutted.
All of her ardent supporters claim that she is sooooo new media savy. And the subsequent posts prove she was not silent.
Again, she despise the media but walks into the trap for a reason....and it ain't cause she is stupid.

I'm not an ardent supporter and I honestly don't think she's going to run. I thinking she's stirring the shit for a reason, but not for presidential bid.

And I didn't know I was trying to refute your theory.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 06:09 PM (J4Pnx)

634 Wow. Okay, I'll take the bait: the "Palin is a quitter" talking point
you neatly wrapped up in "but I'll say this for the guy...he managed to
serve his full term."
Posted by: YFS at June 02, 2011 05:45 PM (EuevW)

That's "a left wing talking point"?

Funny, I thought that was what we call "a fact".

Perhaps you have a link to some evidence that she served her full term I'm unaware of.

And let me save you the time, I know all the excuses she and her supporters throwout there.

I don't care why she quit. None if it changes the pesky FACT she quit.

You know how you know it's a big liability? Look how freaked out Palin supporters get when it's brought up.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 06:46 PM (plesI)

635 how about "resign" to better and bigger thing. A quitter is someone who leaves and hide. What sort of quitter leaves and make so much noise

Posted by: oic at June 02, 2011 06:56 PM (pvmob)

636 Go Mitt Go!
I vote for Mitt cause he is the Shiznit! Only Christie Can Win, but Mitt might squeek it out....so I go for Mitt cause he is the Shiznit!
Opah!

Posted by: Guy who yells Opah at June 02, 2011 07:05 PM (JMsOK)

637 Posted by: oic at June 02, 2011 06:56 PM (pvmob)

I'm not quite sure why I'm supposed to accept and spread the most possible positive gloss on this for Palin.

She ran for a 4 year term. She took an oath that lasted for a full 4 year term and she...quit a little more than 2 years in.

Everything else is spin.

I'll stick with the basic facts.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 07:05 PM (plesI)

638 You know how you know it's a big liability? Look how freaked out Romney supporters get when Palin brings up Romneycare.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 06:46 PM (plesI)

Love ya Drew, but FIFY

Posted by: TendStl at June 02, 2011 07:39 PM (N0z1T)

639 Posted by: TendStl at June 02, 2011 07:39 PM (N0z1T)

See, that's the thing.

I think RomneyCare is absolutely fair game. You may have noticed in one of the links above, I ruled him out over it.

But Palin quitting? No, unfair! May not be used! It's not what it obviously is!

All politicians have crap in their records. I'm just really unclear why Palin's baggage is always ruled out of bounds by her supporters while they bring up everyone elses.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 07:57 PM (plesI)

640 You know how you know it's a big liability? Look how freaked out Palin supporters get when it's brought up.

Freaked out?

I'm not a huge Palin supporter, but I recognize a mis-characterization when I see one.

She resigned due to frivolous lawsuits that interfered with her ability to govern and also put an undue financial burden on her family. Both valid reasons. She did not say,"Fuck it, I'm bored, I quit." There's a huge difference there.

I'll pose the question to you that I asked a FB person who claimed that Palin's governorship didn't count because she didn't finish the term: Does that mean it's fair to say that Obama was never a US Senator?

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 07:59 PM (J4Pnx)

641 Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 07:59 PM (J4Pnx)

And capitalizing on unique opportunities like TV and books had nothing to do with it? Nothing at all?

We know this because...Palin says so. And as we all know politicians always tell the truth and never have additional motivations beyond their public statements.

Don't get me wrong...I don't blame her for wanting to get out of the firing line after what she went through in '08. I certainly don't begrudge anyone the chance to earn a very good living.

I do however mind being told I'm supposed to ignore all of this and simply take everything she says at face value while ignoring her actions.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 08:11 PM (plesI)

642 I do however mind being told I'm supposed to ignore all of this and simply take everything she says at face value while ignoring her actions.

The lawsuits are well documented. It's not like she's just making shit up. I think I can cut her some slack.

And if your family was hit with hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, would you not jump on a book deal or a TV contract if offered?

You're right, she's human. She's not perfect. And I don't think she's done anything that anyone else wouldn't do in the same situation.

And for that she's called a quitter and an attention whore.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 08:24 PM (J4Pnx)

643 Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 08:24 PM (J4Pnx)

Again, you're giving me her explanations. I can accept them as a very human reaction to what she found herself in the middle of.

That doesn't mean however she gets my support for a promotion to an even tougher job.

She may not be faced with the same set of problems but all I know about her is when things got tough, she quit. Things get really, really tough when you're President, why am I to assume her reaction will be better under those circumstances and pressures

It is fair to base assumptions on future behavior on past behavior, right? I mean what else other than words is there to go on?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 08:31 PM (plesI)

644 That doesn't mean however she gets my support for a promotion to an even tougher job. She
may not be faced with the same set of problems but all I know about her
is when things got tough, she quit. Things get really, really tough
when you're President, why am I to assume her reaction will be better
under those circumstances and pressures

So Nixon was a quitter?

Honestly, if both Palin and Perry are in the primaries, I will vote for Perry. I think he's the better candidate, both in terms of experience and lack of real baggage.

Palin is Palin, with all the controversy and provocation that comes with it. She would not make a good president, not because of her ideology or skills, but because she would have to expend too much energy defending everything she did to both parties and the media. She would be hamstrung.

But I like Palin, I like her resilience and toughness and smarts. I would love to see her as Sectary of Energy.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 08:37 PM (J4Pnx)

645 So Nixon was a quitter?
Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 08:37 PM (J4Pnx)

Heh.

That might the understatement of the day. Well played!

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 08:42 PM (plesI)

646 Thanks for the lively post, Drew.

And I officially retract the "Romney fanboi" remark with apologies.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 08:49 PM (J4Pnx)

647 Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at June 02, 2011 08:49 PM (J4Pnx)

Always fun.

I didn't see the "fanboi" thing. That would have been WAR!

Posted by: DrewM. at June 02, 2011 08:55 PM (plesI)

648
I didn't see the "fanboi" thing. That would have been WAR!

Heh. Guess I dodged a bullet.

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That, right there? Complete bullshit.

Posted by: Kerry at June 03, 2011 08:06 AM (a/VXa)

654 YNot:
If the bus tour is a prelude to running, then I think she should
resign her position on Fox. She doesn't need the free airtime and it
would show that she is staying far away from the grey area governing
these things. It would make her look good to a public that, after all,
was fed many stories about her ethics violations in Alaska.

If
she's not running, then I think she should be a bit more measured in how
she treats the folks from her own party who are running. Whoever it
was who said upthread that the priority is helping the GOP get rid of
Obama is right, imho.<<

This is also bullshit. If she wants to win, she should probably retain that position as long as possible. I don't think she gives a rip about looking "fair"--nor should she. She should build a throne from the skulls of her enemies and feast on their entrails. And if she's not running, she should help winnow out the unfit, as she just did.

Posted by: Kerry at June 03, 2011 08:11 AM (a/VXa)

655 Perhaps you have a link to some evidence that she served her full term I'm unaware of.And perhaps you can show me where I said she did, or for that matter where anyone here has demanded that you evangelize for her. I expectbetter from you than just makin' shit up.
To my point - look at me: the "Palin is a quitter" jab is a left wing talking point intended to harm Palin by glossing over the reasons for her leaving office, which rather than "spin" are self-evident and quite legitimate. I don't accept your premise that the FACT of her quitting is alone enough to write her off. It isn't, but it certainly plays to the left's dishonesty.
I don't care why she quit. Believe me, that's obvious. Buying into this "quitter" nonsenserequires studied obtuseness, which is no basis for an argument against her as a candidate. If that's all you've got, you've got nothing. I understand you don't like her, but like most of her critics youhave failed to makea substantivecase.
It's been an interesting thread nonetheless.

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