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Paul Ryan: No, Seriously, You Guys Do Remember That Obama Cut Trillions From Medicare And Plans To Death-Panel Away Trillions More, Right?
Were You Thinking It Was A "All Just a Dream" Twist Ending? Because It Wasn't. That Shit Happened.
Again, I do not know why this is the comeback rather than the lead attack.
But either way, this is the message. Media Thesaurus: Republican Spending = "spending" Democratic Spending = "investments" Republican Cuts = "cuts" Democratic Cuts = "reforms"Comments
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Well, from Ryan it's "the comeback" because he had to start with his plan. He put his plan out there, now he has to defend it. Thus, anything he says about it now is "the comeback."
Now, I do wish other Republicans (Rep. Barton? Senators Hutchison and Cornyn? Buehler? Buehler?) would go on the attack with this, but they won't because they're all cowards of the first order.
Now, I do wish other Republicans (Rep. Barton? Senators Hutchison and Cornyn? Buehler? Buehler?) would go on the attack with this, but they won't because they're all cowards of the first order.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 06:43 PM (8y9MW)
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FIRST!
Posted by: Captain BlowMe at May 27, 2011 06:43 PM (TCyyS)
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I hate ill timed first comments.
Posted by: Captain BlowMe at May 27, 2011 06:43 PM (TCyyS)
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Halliburton!!!11!!1!
Posted by: fluffy at May 27, 2011 06:44 PM (SwkdU)
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Better late than never. It's a good, forgive me, meme, that needs to be hammered.
Posted by: observer at May 27, 2011 06:45 PM (/ftJv)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 06:45 PM (8y9MW)
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Paul Ryan - where did this man come from, and how can we clone more of him?
Posted by: Captain BlowMe at May 27, 2011 06:46 PM (TCyyS)
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Does this new thread mean no more "I'd hit that like ..." goodness?
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 27, 2011 06:46 PM (YUfdS)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 06:47 PM (8y9MW)
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I was just coming over to post this: "Page 46 of Ryan's budget resolution reads,
"Starting in 2022, new Medicare beneficiaries will be enrolled in the
same kind of health care program that members of Congress enjoy. Future
Medicare recipients will be able to choose from a list of guaranteed
coverage options, and they will be given the ability to choose a plan
that works best for them."
When I have a chance I'm going to go through the speech and then try and re look at what was eventually passed and see if they are even speaking to each other.
I was looking for the comment by the president about Americans enjoying the same level as coverage that congress enjoys. I found a lot of very funny blog posts saying "hey do they look healthy to you?" and "maybe we don't want their insurance, we want better insurance, for a lesser cost".
"Starting in 2022, new Medicare beneficiaries will be enrolled in the
same kind of health care program that members of Congress enjoy. Future
Medicare recipients will be able to choose from a list of guaranteed
coverage options, and they will be given the ability to choose a plan
that works best for them."
When I have a chance I'm going to go through the speech and then try and re look at what was eventually passed and see if they are even speaking to each other.
I was looking for the comment by the president about Americans enjoying the same level as coverage that congress enjoys. I found a lot of very funny blog posts saying "hey do they look healthy to you?" and "maybe we don't want their insurance, we want better insurance, for a lesser cost".
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 06:48 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 06:48 PM (UzBwz)
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I want him to say the word "lying" over and over and over. As in, "They are lying to you, because they think you won't call them on it."
They are lying to you when they say cutting Medicare bends the cost curve.
They are lying to you when they tell you there will not be rationing.
They are lying to you when they say you can keep your doctor.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?
They are lying to you when they say cutting Medicare bends the cost curve.
They are lying to you when they tell you there will not be rationing.
They are lying to you when they say you can keep your doctor.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 06:49 PM (FInyg)
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I've decided that Paul Ryan is my new political boyfriend. I might be persuaded to change my allegiance to T-Paw, but only if he puts out.
Posted by: TiredWench at May 27, 2011 06:49 PM (oPceJ)
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I'm pretty sure Paul Ryan is having a difficult time getting his message out because of Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Meggie Mac at May 27, 2011 06:50 PM (OWjjx)
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Did you people not notice how blue his eyes are!?
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 06:50 PM (y/+eD)
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"maybe we don't want their insurance, we want better insurance, for a lesser cost".
I cannot think of any better summarization of the Entitlement (sub)Mentality.
I cannot think of any better summarization of the Entitlement (sub)Mentality.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 06:50 PM (8y9MW)
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Paul Ryan is WAMMING Obama!
Posted by: The WAMmR! at May 27, 2011 06:50 PM (WAMmR)
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Posted by: TiredWench at May 27, 2011 06:49 PM (oPceJ)
but the real question is...would you hit that?
Posted by: TiredWench at May 27, 2011 06:49 PM (oPceJ)
but the real question is...would you hit that?
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 06:50 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 06:52 PM (8y9MW)
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This goes back to my argument with Dumb Blonde: I'd rather had a skinny twerp like Ryan on my side who knows who we're fighting and isn't afraid, than some Terminator steroid freak who wets his pants at the thought of pissing off his Skeletor (soon-to-be-ex-) wife.
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 06:52 PM (dvQqE)
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Did you people not notice how blue his eyes are!?
He is Elven.
/albeit much less ghey-looking than Orlando Bloom's Legolas elf character.
Did you people not notice how blue his eyes are!?
He is Elven.
/albeit much less ghey-looking than Orlando Bloom's Legolas elf character.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 27, 2011 06:53 PM (c0A3e)
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Of course I'd like Ryan more if he pushed some of the Democrats down the Capitol steps and dared them to do something about it. But he's a Republican, so there's a limit to how good it can get.
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 06:54 PM (dvQqE)
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Does this new thread mean no more "I'd hit that like ..." goodness?well the moronettes...
Oh yes we would. *geek love*
Does this new thread mean no more "I'd hit that like ..." goodness?well the moronettes...
Oh yes we would. *geek love*
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 06:54 PM (5NfIh)
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2011 06:54 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: Andy at May 27, 2011 06:54 PM (veZ9n)
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Great men with vision usually find themselves alone.
Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2011 06:55 PM (UT8P3)
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 06:55 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: 25% of the Male Readers of This Site at May 27, 2011 06:55 PM (nj1bB)
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 06:50 PM (8y9MW)
yes and no. Most people these days have insurance and most people eventually think that they will rely on medicare.
I honestly think that instead of hiring all those guys for IRS enforcement they should have hired a bunch of computer geeks to design programs to eliminate fraud in medicare/medicade.
yes and no. Most people these days have insurance and most people eventually think that they will rely on medicare.
I honestly think that instead of hiring all those guys for IRS enforcement they should have hired a bunch of computer geeks to design programs to eliminate fraud in medicare/medicade.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 06:55 PM (k1rwm)
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Ain't nuthin' wrong with geek love.
Well, nothing that a 55 gallon drum of KY wouldn't fix.
Well, nothing that a 55 gallon drum of KY wouldn't fix.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 06:56 PM (FInyg)
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"He is Elven.
/albeit much less ghey-looking than Orlando Bloom's Legolas elf character. "
So you're saying he wants to make out with me?
/albeit much less ghey-looking than Orlando Bloom's Legolas elf character. "
So you're saying he wants to make out with me?
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 06:56 PM (y/+eD)
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He seriously needs to quit teasing us with the "not running now" stuff. Of course would-be POTUS Chris Christie threatens to kill himself to prove he's not running (LOL) so I guess it wouldn't matter what Ryan said.
*cries*
*cries*
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 06:56 PM (5NfIh)
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Has anyone checked with DrewM to see whether this passes his rules for criticizing the president? Because the might be an "error" for Ryan to point out flaws in Obama's policies or behavior.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 06:57 PM (LH6ir)
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How does someone this "on it" vote for TARP and AIG? I know every candidate probably has votes they'd rather not defend (except President Present, of course), but Ryan made 2 big miscues in his area of expertise.
It would be like finding out Chris Christie was a PEU shop steward previously.
At this point, however, my choice would be Palin, and then Ryan TPaw and Perry are fighting for my sloppy seconds.
Mitt wins, I'm not voting...telling you all now.
It would be like finding out Chris Christie was a PEU shop steward previously.
At this point, however, my choice would be Palin, and then Ryan TPaw and Perry are fighting for my sloppy seconds.
Mitt wins, I'm not voting...telling you all now.
Posted by: The Hammer at May 27, 2011 06:58 PM (32ubA)
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RIP thread
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 06:58 PM (UzBwz)
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Because the might be an "error" for Ryan to point out flaws in Obama's policies or behavior.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 06:57 PM (LH6ir)
Yes. He needs to be very careful. Careful. Caaaaaareful.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 06:57 PM (LH6ir)
Yes. He needs to be very careful. Careful. Caaaaaareful.
Posted by: Papa Editor at May 27, 2011 06:58 PM (Zs83Q)
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That was a first-class interview that Ryan gave. His defense of his program, and explanation, was excellent. Sharp and strong.
It's just a shame that MediCAID wasn't even mentioned once, and that is the worst problem of all, from all respects, and even drives the others. It was great that Ryan pointed out the ObamaCare point, but he missed the layup to "future expansion of MediCAID", which had been his thing during the whole ObamaCare debate ... at least the financial part of it.
Ryan was very impressive, here.
It's just a shame that MediCAID wasn't even mentioned once, and that is the worst problem of all, from all respects, and even drives the others. It was great that Ryan pointed out the ObamaCare point, but he missed the layup to "future expansion of MediCAID", which had been his thing during the whole ObamaCare debate ... at least the financial part of it.
Ryan was very impressive, here.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 27, 2011 06:59 PM (G/MYk)
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Posted by: The Hammer at May 27, 2011 06:58 PM (32ubA)
so you'd take 4 years of Obama over Romney?
what.the.fuck.is.wrong.with.you?!
Posted by: The Hammer at May 27, 2011 06:58 PM (32ubA)
so you'd take 4 years of Obama over Romney?
what.the.fuck.is.wrong.with.you?!
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 06:59 PM (UzBwz)
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Of course I'd like Ryan more if he pushed some of the Democrats down the Capitol steps and dared them to do something about it. But he's a Republican, so there's a limit to how good it can get.
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 06:54 PM (dvQqE)
Right now, I think he's doing exactly that. He's presidential/House speaker worthy. Ryan is the guy that is the closest to Reagan that we've seen since, well, Reagan.
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 06:54 PM (dvQqE)
Right now, I think he's doing exactly that. He's presidential/House speaker worthy. Ryan is the guy that is the closest to Reagan that we've seen since, well, Reagan.
Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2011 06:59 PM (UT8P3)
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The Hammer - the vote for TARP is obvious, but he does talk about that in his speech and QA at the Chicago Economic Club. Which, of course, I will be happy to link spam for the 50th time today if requested. (it's at CSPAN)
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:00 PM (5NfIh)
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The point he makes about seniors already choosing plans under Med D, Medicare Advantage, etc. needs to be turned into "the Democrats think seasoned citizens are stupid."
Of course, that's no different than what they think about everyone else, so it may not be such a good idea.
Of course, that's no different than what they think about everyone else, so it may not be such a good idea.
Posted by: Andy at May 27, 2011 07:00 PM (veZ9n)
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I don't judge people on their looks; I judge them upon the quality of their character.
And the quality of Paul Ryan's character is "fuckdorable."
And the quality of Paul Ryan's character is "fuckdorable."
Posted by: Guy Who Will Keep On Posting Until Someone Notices This Shit Is Funny at May 27, 2011 07:00 PM (nj1bB)
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I love this picture. He's us.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (k1rwm)
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This goes back to my argument with Dumb Blonde: I'd rather had a skinny twerp like Ryan on my side who knows who we're fighting and isn't afraid, than some Terminator steroid freak who wets his pants at the thought of pissing off his Skeletor (soon-to-be-ex-) wife.
I guess I'm...a little confused by this.
I guess I'm...a little confused by this.
Posted by: Max Power at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (q177U)
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So you're saying he wants to make out with me?
Maybe. But you'll have to fight through some Ryan fan-girls *ahem Miss'80sbaby* if you desire that privilege.
So you're saying he wants to make out with me?
Maybe. But you'll have to fight through some Ryan fan-girls *ahem Miss'80sbaby* if you desire that privilege.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (c0A3e)
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Also Fox needs to get off that stupid wheelchair/cliff ad, and someone needs to do an ad with fake Obama/Reid/Pelosi pushing a schoolbus full of The Children off that cliff.
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (5NfIh)
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Right now, I think he's doing exactly that. He's presidential/House speaker worthy. Ryan is the guy that is the closest to Reagan that we've seen since, well, Reagan.
oh hell no! how can you forget Sarah Palin!! RINO!!!!
Right now, I think he's doing exactly that. He's presidential/House speaker worthy. Ryan is the guy that is the closest to Reagan that we've seen since, well, Reagan.
oh hell no! how can you forget Sarah Palin!! RINO!!!!
Posted by: Palinista at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (UzBwz)
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but the real question is...would you hit that?
Well, I have named my vibrator after him, but since he's just a political boyfriend, I only use it when I'm reading the Weekly Standard.
Well, I have named my vibrator after him, but since he's just a political boyfriend, I only use it when I'm reading the Weekly Standard.
Posted by: TiredWench at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (oPceJ)
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>>>At this point, however, my choice would be Palin, and then Ryan TPaw and Perry are fighting for my sloppy seconds.
Wow, someone announcing their support of Palin, and opposition to everyone else, in a completely unrelated thread.
I didn't see that one coming.
Hey, Obsessives? Give it a rest. We don't want to talk about Palin all the goddamned time.
We don't find her as obsessively compelling as you do.
Wow, someone announcing their support of Palin, and opposition to everyone else, in a completely unrelated thread.
I didn't see that one coming.
Hey, Obsessives? Give it a rest. We don't want to talk about Palin all the goddamned time.
We don't find her as obsessively compelling as you do.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:02 PM (nj1bB)
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I love this picture. He's us.
With the exception of the whole Green Bay Packers thing. Yeah, he is.
With the exception of the whole Green Bay Packers thing. Yeah, he is.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:02 PM (FInyg)
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Not on subject, but don't forget:
Republican wars = Needlessly killing innocentpeople of colorfor ImperialAmerica
Democrat wars = Courageously fanning the embers of democracy for the oppressed.
Republican wars = Needlessly killing innocentpeople of colorfor ImperialAmerica
Democrat wars = Courageously fanning the embers of democracy for the oppressed.
Posted by: rockhead at May 27, 2011 07:02 PM (ZMHGo)
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Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (k1rwm)
I saw an interview that he listen to Metallica, Hell yes
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (k1rwm)
I saw an interview that he listen to Metallica, Hell yes
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:02 PM (UzBwz)
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>>>Has anyone checked with DrewM to see whether this passes his rules for criticizing the president? Because the might be an "error" for Ryan to point out flaws in Obama's policies or behavior.
Yeah right, because this was a disposable piece of Twitter snark.
Jesus.
Yeah right, because this was a disposable piece of Twitter snark.
Jesus.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:03 PM (nj1bB)
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Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:02 PM (nj1bB)
ace, you seem riled up buddy, let me get you a cup of tea...
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:02 PM (nj1bB)
ace, you seem riled up buddy, let me get you a cup of tea...
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:03 PM (UzBwz)
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We don't find her as obsessively compelling as you do. Someone said it earlier today....she sucks all the oxygen out of the room.
All day, every day.
All day, every day.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:04 PM (FInyg)
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See I'd like to mate paul ryan's plan with rand paul's plan and have a damned good solution.
I wish republicans and some democrats weren't so scared of losing their power that they are terrified of this issue.
I wish republicans and some democrats weren't so scared of losing their power that they are terrified of this issue.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:04 PM (k1rwm)
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"...And the quality of Paul Ryan's character is "fuckdorable."
Maybe his wife is hot.
I checked. Not so much.
Okay, but we're pitching.
Maybe his wife is hot.
I checked. Not so much.
Okay, but we're pitching.
Posted by: The other 75% at May 27, 2011 07:04 PM (LH6ir)
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Mitt wins, I'm not voting...telling you all now.
Ideally, we'd like to both be able to get rid of Obama and replace him with our dream candidate. But, if you have to choose, which is more important to you - getting rid of Obama, or getting the ideal candidate? Because it might comes to that.
Ideally, we'd like to both be able to get rid of Obama and replace him with our dream candidate. But, if you have to choose, which is more important to you - getting rid of Obama, or getting the ideal candidate? Because it might comes to that.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 07:04 PM (GyvA5)
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Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 06:55 PM (k1rwm)
??? What does "Most people these days have insurance and most people eventually think that they will rely on medicare." have to do with: "maybe we don't want their insurance, we want better insurance, for a lesser cost".
Or, at least, how does it disprove that that is a sign of the entitlement submentality?
Most people do have insurance. Most people who have to pay for things themselves, who also think about it, and who don't have the entitlement submentality (I know, rare combination, there) understand that "Better [than Congress'] insurance" doesn't come for a lesser Price (and can never come for a lesser "cost.")
Since you only posted snippets, I may be missing some context, but most people who make that statement seem to believe in the Insurance Fairy who can just magically bestow low cost, high value insurance on whomsoever she pleases.
Insurance 101: Providing insurance is the assumption by one party of another party's risk. To make such a thing profitable, the Insuring party must charge enough money over the life of the policy to a) offset maintenance (also called administrative) costs, b) offset costs incurred by the insured party, and c) pay any other financial obligations (say, to Stockholders, bond (or other debt) holders, employees, and vendors)- only after all of that is paid is anything that is left over "profit." If you can't do all of those and make enough to live on, you'll be going into some other business.
??? What does "Most people these days have insurance and most people eventually think that they will rely on medicare." have to do with: "maybe we don't want their insurance, we want better insurance, for a lesser cost".
Or, at least, how does it disprove that that is a sign of the entitlement submentality?
Most people do have insurance. Most people who have to pay for things themselves, who also think about it, and who don't have the entitlement submentality (I know, rare combination, there) understand that "Better [than Congress'] insurance" doesn't come for a lesser Price (and can never come for a lesser "cost.")
Since you only posted snippets, I may be missing some context, but most people who make that statement seem to believe in the Insurance Fairy who can just magically bestow low cost, high value insurance on whomsoever she pleases.
Insurance 101: Providing insurance is the assumption by one party of another party's risk. To make such a thing profitable, the Insuring party must charge enough money over the life of the policy to a) offset maintenance (also called administrative) costs, b) offset costs incurred by the insured party, and c) pay any other financial obligations (say, to Stockholders, bond (or other debt) holders, employees, and vendors)- only after all of that is paid is anything that is left over "profit." If you can't do all of those and make enough to live on, you'll be going into some other business.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 07:05 PM (8y9MW)
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Ryan speech at the Economic Club text video
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:05 PM (5NfIh)
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Paul Ryan, please deliver a back handed bitch slap to all the Liberal Lunitics including the Boob In Charge. And if I might ask for one more favor....a swift kick in the balls of Barney Frank.
Thank You
Thank You
Posted by: Sparky at May 27, 2011 07:05 PM (k2kXW)
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:05 PM (UzBwz)
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Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:03 PM (nj1bB)
It was a joke. Maybe not as funny as yours, but still...
Somebody needs a hug.
It was a joke. Maybe not as funny as yours, but still...
Somebody needs a hug.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 07:06 PM (LH6ir)
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Psssst, anybody need to score some dope?
Posted by: Mitch 'Dude' Daniels at May 27, 2011 07:06 PM (le5qc)
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>>>Someone said it earlier today....she sucks all the oxygen out of the room
It's not even her. It's a bunch of people who are pretending a Celebrity Obsession is "politics."
When she makes news, we talk about her, as we should.
When she doesn't make news, we also have to talk about her, because for some people there simply is no other subject except Palin.
Palin this, Palin that, Palin ball, Palin bat.
Palin Palin Palin Palin Palin.
The Only Thing That Matters (TM).
It's not even her. It's a bunch of people who are pretending a Celebrity Obsession is "politics."
When she makes news, we talk about her, as we should.
When she doesn't make news, we also have to talk about her, because for some people there simply is no other subject except Palin.
Palin this, Palin that, Palin ball, Palin bat.
Palin Palin Palin Palin Palin.
The Only Thing That Matters (TM).
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:06 PM (nj1bB)
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I saw an interview that he listen to Metallica, Hell yes
Usually it's a "hell no" when politicians try to show how hip they are. But I'll let it slide.
Usually it's a "hell no" when politicians try to show how hip they are. But I'll let it slide.
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 07:07 PM (dvQqE)
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Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 07:04 PM (GyvA5)
i'll be the 1st to say it, I'm seeing a disturbing trend of commenters coming on here and saying if it's this guy or this guy I ain't voting. They're picking 4 years of Obama over their wish for an ideal person, we need to stop thinking like this, unless it's Ron fucking Paul there's no reason not to come out and voice a vote AGAINST one of the worst Presidents of all time
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 07:04 PM (GyvA5)
i'll be the 1st to say it, I'm seeing a disturbing trend of commenters coming on here and saying if it's this guy or this guy I ain't voting. They're picking 4 years of Obama over their wish for an ideal person, we need to stop thinking like this, unless it's Ron fucking Paul there's no reason not to come out and voice a vote AGAINST one of the worst Presidents of all time
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:07 PM (UzBwz)
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By the way, Palin ENDORSED the Ryan Plan, so Palin Celebrity Watchers should at least pretend they're interested in this topic.
Just pretend. I know you don't really care, but just pretend, so it's not as obvious that you're treating politics like a phone-in blitz to Dancing With The Stars.
Just pretend. I know you don't really care, but just pretend, so it's not as obvious that you're treating politics like a phone-in blitz to Dancing With The Stars.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:07 PM (nj1bB)
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Ryan's plan ain't perfect, but anyone that wants to shoot it down damn well ought to have an alternative plan with details. I'm at least sure he sat down and crunched a bunch of numbers including demographic shifts to come up with his stuff.
Or maybe we could just run with the Barky budget plan, which went down to an unprecedented 0-97 defeat in the Senate. I think Pawlenty is off to a good start in telling hard truths but also will need some details. No more of the ephemeral Hope Change that Barky didn't live up to anyhow.
I think an honest and direct plan can beat the Dem bullshit non-plans by a country mile. Otherwise, we're pretty well screwed anyways.
Or maybe we could just run with the Barky budget plan, which went down to an unprecedented 0-97 defeat in the Senate. I think Pawlenty is off to a good start in telling hard truths but also will need some details. No more of the ephemeral Hope Change that Barky didn't live up to anyhow.
I think an honest and direct plan can beat the Dem bullshit non-plans by a country mile. Otherwise, we're pretty well screwed anyways.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 27, 2011 07:07 PM (bvXGR)
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--This sentence in place of what I'd really like to say.--
Posted by: nickless at May 27, 2011 07:07 PM (MMC8r)
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oh hell no! how can you forget Sarah Palin!! RINO!!!!
Posted by: Palinista at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (UzBwz)
As far as expressing conservative views, Palin comes in a close second.
Posted by: Palinista at May 27, 2011 07:01 PM (UzBwz)
As far as expressing conservative views, Palin comes in a close second.
Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2011 07:08 PM (UT8P3)
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which is more important to you - getting rid of Obama, or getting the ideal candidate? Because it might comes to that.
Jeff, it's going to come to that. No one will get everything they want. This I'm-going-to-take-my-ball-and-go-home-if-my-candidtate-doesn't-win ::: cough cough Vic :::: is the mark of a first class mind.
NOT
Jeff, it's going to come to that. No one will get everything they want. This I'm-going-to-take-my-ball-and-go-home-if-my-candidtate-doesn't-win ::: cough cough Vic :::: is the mark of a first class mind.
NOT
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:08 PM (FInyg)
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>>>--This sentence in place of what I'd really like to say.--
You can say it. I'm not that much of a dick. You can argue.
You can say it. I'm not that much of a dick. You can argue.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:09 PM (nj1bB)
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Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:07 PM (UzBwz)
100% correct. But...
I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama. I'd bring an airsickness bag to the voting booth, but he would get my vote.
100% correct. But...
I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama. I'd bring an airsickness bag to the voting booth, but he would get my vote.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 07:09 PM (LH6ir)
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>>>Someone said it earlier today....she sucks all the oxygen out of the room It's not even her. It's a bunch of people who are pretending a Celebrity Obsession is "politics." When she makes news, we talk about her, as we should. When she doesn't make news, we also have to talk about her, because for some people there simply is no other subject except Palin. Palin this, Palin that, Palin ball, Palin bat. Palin Palin Palin Palin Palin. The Only Thing That Matters (TM).
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:06 PM (nj1bB)
Especially for Meggie Mac
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:06 PM (nj1bB)
Especially for Meggie Mac
Posted by: Jackhole at May 27, 2011 07:10 PM (+qHxi)
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:10 PM (nj1bB)
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So, if we're a Palin fan, but rarely (if ever) bring her up, is it okay to out ourselves as Palin fans? I'm just wondering. I'm not saying I'm a Palin fan. I'm asking for my friend.
Posted by: Papa Editor at May 27, 2011 07:10 PM (Zs83Q)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (LH6ir)
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"Usually it's a "hell no" when politicians try to show how hip they are. "
Is Metallica hip? It's not like he listens to Warlock.
Is Metallica hip? It's not like he listens to Warlock.
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (y/+eD)
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Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:08 PM (FInyg)
it's not just the commenter you mentioned, it's a growing number of them including 1 guy who has been calling mea liar over it and then turns around and says Obama over Romney. idk if it's just primary trash talk like we saw w/ the supposed PUMAs but it's getting annoying to argue why/why bnot for a candidate and you get back "my guy/gal or you don't get my vote"
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:08 PM (FInyg)
it's not just the commenter you mentioned, it's a growing number of them including 1 guy who has been calling mea liar over it and then turns around and says Obama over Romney. idk if it's just primary trash talk like we saw w/ the supposed PUMAs but it's getting annoying to argue why/why bnot for a candidate and you get back "my guy/gal or you don't get my vote"
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (UzBwz)
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This is what real man looks like.Go gitem, Paulie!
Posted by: Tubby Curls at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (uPJN8)
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Palin Tour Bus Reality Show thread? Good idea Ace, then all the Palin cult can hang out there and the rest of us can ignore it. 
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (5NfIh)
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Do I have to come on here and start choking bitches to keep you from fighting?
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (ah1wu)
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Will one of you morons pass this note to Paul during gym class? Find out if he likes me.
Posted by: Clueless at May 27, 2011 07:12 PM (piMMO)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 07:09 PM (LH6ir)
I seriously am coming around to that, I've come to despise Obama as both a President and as a man, that's how much disdain I have for the guy
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 07:09 PM (LH6ir)
I seriously am coming around to that, I've come to despise Obama as both a President and as a man, that's how much disdain I have for the guy
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:12 PM (UzBwz)
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I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama. I'd bring an airsickness bag to the voting booth, but he would get my vote.
Ditto.
Now...if it were Meggie Mac, then Barky would get my vote.
(God, I just threw up in my mouth...).
Ditto.
Now...if it were Meggie Mac, then Barky would get my vote.
(God, I just threw up in my mouth...).
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:12 PM (FInyg)
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I'm 25% gay for this dude, including my right hand.
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 27, 2011 07:12 PM (kaZUb)
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Is Paul Ryan really this good? Yes he is.
Posted by: mama winger at May 27, 2011 07:12 PM (KDX07)
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Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:09 PM (nj1bB)
Honestly, Ace, I haven't been in the threads as much as I'd like today, so I may have missed something, but "President Ryan" came up in the comments before the Palin comment. If "President X" is fair game, then everyone else who has their favorite for President IS going to post about why any other contender is a RINO/unelectable/not hot enough/whatever.
Take a deep breath, go pour yourself another mason jar of vodka, and mellow a little bit (on that one).
Now, if it really becomes a Palin thread jacking, I'll support you totally in whatever melt-down you have: I like Sarah Palin, and I want her to run for President, but you're right that the obsession is a little overboard.
Honestly, Ace, I haven't been in the threads as much as I'd like today, so I may have missed something, but "President Ryan" came up in the comments before the Palin comment. If "President X" is fair game, then everyone else who has their favorite for President IS going to post about why any other contender is a RINO/unelectable/not hot enough/whatever.
Take a deep breath, go pour yourself another mason jar of vodka, and mellow a little bit (on that one).
Now, if it really becomes a Palin thread jacking, I'll support you totally in whatever melt-down you have: I like Sarah Palin, and I want her to run for President, but you're right that the obsession is a little overboard.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 07:13 PM (8y9MW)
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i'll be the 1st to say it, I'm seeing a disturbing trend of commenters coming on here and saying if it's this guy or this guy I ain't voting. They're picking 4 years of Obama over their wish for an ideal person, we need to stop thinking like this, unless it's Ron fucking Paul there's no reason not to come out and voice a vote AGAINST one of the worst Presidents of all time
Your right. But part of that may be just the natural flow of how a primary works. Voters who have a candidate picked this early in the process invest alot emotionally in that candidate. The disappointment of said candidate failing makes that voter lash out, particularly at the person who bested their chosen candidate.
I'd vote for a ham sandwich over Obama. I would probably even vote for Ron Paul over Obama..........but I would really hate myself for it.
Hell........I'd even vote for Alan Keyes over Obama. Then apologize to all of my children for doing it.
Your right. But part of that may be just the natural flow of how a primary works. Voters who have a candidate picked this early in the process invest alot emotionally in that candidate. The disappointment of said candidate failing makes that voter lash out, particularly at the person who bested their chosen candidate.
I'd vote for a ham sandwich over Obama. I would probably even vote for Ron Paul over Obama..........but I would really hate myself for it.
Hell........I'd even vote for Alan Keyes over Obama. Then apologize to all of my children for doing it.
Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at May 27, 2011 07:13 PM (OWjjx)
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Ace, I got an idea just post up a thread and call it the Palin Thread, all Palin arguments in that 1 thread, we did that back when we talked a lot of lgf and Charles Johnson stuff remember? it might be a solution
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:13 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: fluffy at May 27, 2011 07:13 PM (SwkdU)
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GOP should redo the democrat push grannie off the cliff ad, BUT interrupt the evil GOP goon with a heroic hero of the people's party wearing a Che Guevera tee shirt, rescuing her, bringing her before a death panel, then wheeling her into a suicide room from Soylent Green/Logan's Run.
Yeah, we're the GOP, they say we'll push grannie off the cliff. They said you'd love ObamaCare, too.
Yeah, we're the GOP, they say we'll push grannie off the cliff. They said you'd love ObamaCare, too.
Posted by: steve poling at May 27, 2011 07:13 PM (db5YN)
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You sure as shit won't ever see Paul Ryan hanging out with Kate Gosselin on reality tv shows.
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (5NfIh)
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Usually it's a "hell no" when politicians try to show how hip they are. " Is Metallica hip? It's not like he listens to Warlock.
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (y/+eD)
All we are !
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (y/+eD)
All we are !
Posted by: Jackhole at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (+qHxi)
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92 As long as he is listenig to pre-Black album Metallica.
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (ah1wu)
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Hell, I'm a Palin fan, but she is an ill-formed politician. There are too many negatives; too much unfinished business. Not enough substance to balance the undeniable attractiveness of the *way* she sends her unfortunately liteTM message.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 07:15 PM (y/+eD)
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There are no Republican cuts.
Posted by: Bugler at May 27, 2011 07:15 PM (VXBR1)
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Ace, I got an idea just post up a thread and call it the Palin Thread, all Palin arguments in that 1 thread,
So that's where they can discuss all the real metaphysical stuff, right? Like, how many Sarah Palins can dance on the head of a pin, or if Bristol really is as hawt as she looks?
I'll second that solution. That will leave space for more Web Girl videos
So that's where they can discuss all the real metaphysical stuff, right? Like, how many Sarah Palins can dance on the head of a pin, or if Bristol really is as hawt as she looks?
I'll second that solution. That will leave space for more Web Girl videos
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:16 PM (FInyg)
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1. Richard Perry
2. Paul Ryan
3 tie. Sarah Palin/ Herman Cain
5. Michelle Bachmann
11. Chris Christie
18. Ron Paul
49. Mitt Romney
50. Military coup
1.285 x 1018. Barack Obama
1.285 x 1018 + 1. Jon Huntsman
2. Paul Ryan
3 tie. Sarah Palin/ Herman Cain
5. Michelle Bachmann
11. Chris Christie
18. Ron Paul
49. Mitt Romney
50. Military coup
1.285 x 1018. Barack Obama
1.285 x 1018 + 1. Jon Huntsman
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 07:16 PM (dvQqE)
Posted by: LOL at May 27, 2011 07:16 PM (/ftJv)
Posted by: fluffy at May 27, 2011 07:17 PM (SwkdU)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (LH6ir)
but aren't we all Palin fans? I am, but then when we get to whether she should be our nom it's when problems arise...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (LH6ir)
but aren't we all Palin fans? I am, but then when we get to whether she should be our nom it's when problems arise...
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:17 PM (UzBwz)
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"The Comeback"it won't fly.
Posted by: Poltergiest at May 27, 2011 07:17 PM (CyPWX)
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Usually it's a "hell no" when politicians try to show how hip they are. " Is Metallica hip? It's not like he listens to Warlock.
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (y/+eD)
Exactly !
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 07:11 PM (y/+eD)
Exactly !
Posted by: Jackhole at May 27, 2011 07:17 PM (+qHxi)
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:17 PM (UzBwz)
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Voters who have a candidate picked this early in the process invest alot
emotionally in that candidate. The disappointment of said candidate
failing makes that voter lash out, particularly at the person who bested
their chosen candidate.
That may be it.
Here is another hypothesis.
Some people might be so rigidly in favor of "their" candidate because flexibility might be construed as a lack of fidelity to their candidate.
emotionally in that candidate. The disappointment of said candidate
failing makes that voter lash out, particularly at the person who bested
their chosen candidate.
That may be it.
Here is another hypothesis.
Some people might be so rigidly in favor of "their" candidate because flexibility might be construed as a lack of fidelity to their candidate.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 07:18 PM (GyvA5)
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>>>Honestly, Ace, I haven't been in the threads as much as I'd like today, so I may have missed something, but "President Ryan" came up in the comments before the Palin comment. If "President X" is fair game, then everyone else who has their favorite for President IS going to post about why any other contender is a RINO/unelectable/not hot enough/whatever.
I don't know, it's just so one-note and de rigeur at this point.
You could say the same thing for RON PAULL!!!! stuff. After a time it's like, "Assume we know who you're supporting."
In any event, Palin Thread up.
I don't know, it's just so one-note and de rigeur at this point.
You could say the same thing for RON PAULL!!!! stuff. After a time it's like, "Assume we know who you're supporting."
In any event, Palin Thread up.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:18 PM (nj1bB)
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See I'd like to mate paul ryan's plan with rand paul's plan and have a damned good solution.
I wish republicans and some democrats weren't so scared of losing their power that they are terrified of this issue.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:04 PM (k1rwm)
Speaking of mating, thank God you're okay. I didn't mean to be that rough, but you kinda freaked me out last night.
Look, I don't know who these "friends" of yours are, but they're giving you some really bad sex advice. When a man is on top of you, you do NOT pry his butt cheeks apart with your toes like some rhesus monkey and try to stick a ravioli in his manhole.
What the FUCK was that about?
I wish republicans and some democrats weren't so scared of losing their power that they are terrified of this issue.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:04 PM (k1rwm)
Speaking of mating, thank God you're okay. I didn't mean to be that rough, but you kinda freaked me out last night.
Look, I don't know who these "friends" of yours are, but they're giving you some really bad sex advice. When a man is on top of you, you do NOT pry his butt cheeks apart with your toes like some rhesus monkey and try to stick a ravioli in his manhole.
What the FUCK was that about?
Posted by: The Man With The Golden Slacks at May 27, 2011 07:18 PM (LAfcH)
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92 As long as he is listenig to pre-Black album Metallica.
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (ah1wu)
Good point steevy, I concur.
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (ah1wu)
Good point steevy, I concur.
Posted by: Jackhole at May 27, 2011 07:18 PM (+qHxi)
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Ace, dude, I know you're tired of Palin being brought into every thread
but most of the comments in every thread are off topic.
And I like Metallica.
but most of the comments in every thread are off topic.
And I like Metallica.
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 27, 2011 07:18 PM (kaZUb)
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76 I'll put up the Palin Bus Tour Thread to fulfill my daily quota.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:10 PM (nj1bB)
Only put it up if you have another thread ready to go immediately after posting it. Seriously most of us do not want to talk about her constantly and try to ignore the comments that come up man.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:10 PM (nj1bB)
Only put it up if you have another thread ready to go immediately after posting it. Seriously most of us do not want to talk about her constantly and try to ignore the comments that come up man.
Posted by: buzzion at May 27, 2011 07:19 PM (oVQFe)
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Medicare/Medicaid should provide reasonable heath care and treatment and insure that the elderly are treated respectfully and with caring and kindness. It is not an unlimited check to keep someone alive another 5,10,30 days - that is wrong to ask of others. If you happen to have a few million of your own to spend, then fine, it should be your right to do so. It is not right to ask others to fund millions for a treatment putting off death for a few months, it just doesn't work mathematically when you work the numbers of 300-400 million times millions of dollars! We are all going to die, we cannot ask the living to give up everything for the dying. And I feel the same way about spending 10's of millions to keep some deformed babies alive, if the family wishes to pick up the tab, then fine, but we cannot do that for everyone!
Posted by: Rob in Katy at May 27, 2011 07:19 PM (PiTBB)
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>>>So, if we're a Palin fan, but rarely (if ever) bring her up, is it okay to out ourselves as Palin fans? I'm just wondering. I'm not saying I'm a Palin fan. I'm asking for my friend.
Sure. But you can also expect people to start being annoyed at what seems to be a fairly frequent threadjacking towards the same topic.
Sure. But you can also expect people to start being annoyed at what seems to be a fairly frequent threadjacking towards the same topic.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:20 PM (nj1bB)
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buzzion, well it is sort of news. I should have posted it a while ago but I was in the comments.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:20 PM (nj1bB)
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Mitt wins, I'm not voting...telling you all now.
Posted by: The Hammer at May 27, 2011 06:58 PM (32ubA)
Be a fuckin' man then, and pull the lever for Toonces. Then, come back here, tell us all what big brass balls you had.
Posted by: The Hammer at May 27, 2011 06:58 PM (32ubA)
Be a fuckin' man then, and pull the lever for Toonces. Then, come back here, tell us all what big brass balls you had.
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 27, 2011 07:21 PM (6IReR)
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I seriously am coming around to that, I've come to despise Obama as both a President and as a man, that's how much disdain I have for the guy
I passed that point somewhere around 1979. There isn't a single Democrat I can think of, in or out of politics, who I wouldn't like to be homosexually raped and murdered. Obama is scum because he's from a scum party of lowlife criminal scum.
I passed that point somewhere around 1979. There isn't a single Democrat I can think of, in or out of politics, who I wouldn't like to be homosexually raped and murdered. Obama is scum because he's from a scum party of lowlife criminal scum.
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 07:21 PM (dvQqE)
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Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 07:16 PM (dvQqE)
Pretty darn funny. I just realized that was my first, laugh-out-loud moment today. Then got depressed again.
Pretty darn funny. I just realized that was my first, laugh-out-loud moment today. Then got depressed again.
Posted by: Bean Blossom at May 27, 2011 07:21 PM (T1d4e)
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As long as he is listenig to pre-Black album Metallica.
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (ah1wu)
RACIST!!
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2011 07:14 PM (ah1wu)
RACIST!!
Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2011 07:21 PM (UT8P3)
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Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:20 PM (nj1bB)
dude you had that stuff ready to go and were waiting for just the right time?
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 07:20 PM (nj1bB)
dude you had that stuff ready to go and were waiting for just the right time?
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:21 PM (UzBwz)
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I hope Ryan turns out to be our savior but I'm doubting it.I like the guy,he's smart but he's just not well known enough.If he were half blaclk and a Democrat he would have a better chance.....
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2011 07:22 PM (ah1wu)
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Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 07:21 PM (dvQqE)
i'm young so I got lots to learn but the more I researched the more i've come around my thinking from Dems are just stupid, to Dems are fucking evil, time and time again in History from kicking Indians out of land, slavery, jim crow, socialism,and such they have gotten it wrong.
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 07:21 PM (dvQqE)
i'm young so I got lots to learn but the more I researched the more i've come around my thinking from Dems are just stupid, to Dems are fucking evil, time and time again in History from kicking Indians out of land, slavery, jim crow, socialism,and such they have gotten it wrong.
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:23 PM (UzBwz)
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And where are the GOP using the video where Kathleen Sebiluis (D- Math if Hard) admitting that under Obamacare, they basically double counted the medicare cuts to make the math work out?
Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at May 27, 2011 07:24 PM (OWjjx)
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"Yeah, yeah. Get on the damn plane."
I don't know what that means, but I hope Jesus Jones is on the plane, too.
I don't know what that means, but I hope Jesus Jones is on the plane, too.
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 07:24 PM (y/+eD)
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Anyone else just get a "money-bomb" email from Michelle Bachmann?
Posted by: Clueless at May 27, 2011 07:24 PM (piMMO)
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i'm young so I got lots to learn but the more I researched the more i've come around my thinking from Dems are just stupid,
The good Dr. Sowell changed my mind around 1994 or so. I can't ever thank him enough. I'd kill to meet him in person just to be able to say that.
The good Dr. Sowell changed my mind around 1994 or so. I can't ever thank him enough. I'd kill to meet him in person just to be able to say that.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:25 PM (FInyg)
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I'm here to bang girls with Asperger's Syndrome and chew bubblegum.
And I am ALL out of bubblegum.
And I am ALL out of bubblegum.
Posted by: The Man With The Golden Slacks at May 27, 2011 07:25 PM (LAfcH)
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:26 PM (UzBwz)
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This
I'm-going-to-take-my-ball-and-go-home-if-my-candidtate-doesn't-win :::
cough cough Vic :::: is the mark of a first class mind.
NOT
Obviously one of the "purity purists" who can not freakin read. I have said over and over again there are more than one acceptable candidate. What pissed you off is I said Rudy is totally unacceptable and just as big as an asshole as Obama.
So learn to read and quit misquoting me or STFU.
I'm-going-to-take-my-ball-and-go-home-if-my-candidtate-doesn't-win :::
cough cough Vic :::: is the mark of a first class mind.
NOT
Obviously one of the "purity purists" who can not freakin read. I have said over and over again there are more than one acceptable candidate. What pissed you off is I said Rudy is totally unacceptable and just as big as an asshole as Obama.
So learn to read and quit misquoting me or STFU.
Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:27 PM (M9Ie6)
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Clueless: No. But then I didn't sign up for Token Female Conservative Candidate's mailing list.
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:28 PM (5NfIh)
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 27, 2011 07:05 PM (8y9MW)
I think Paul Ryan has to begin sharing everything in his head with the American people. I feel as though there is so much in there and he doesn't know how to get it all out. My dad tells me that most people bought something called "major medical insurance" in case of a health emergency. He tells me that all of a sudden employers began handing out "health insurance" as a perk to get you to work for them. He said, in the beginning, they paid for the insurance. It was a very simple process he tells me. When we were little my dad would "submit a claim" with the attached doctor bills and receive a check from the insurance company. He then tells me that all of a sudden you weren't submitting a claim, your doctor was submitting it for you and you were suddenly getting coverage for drugs. Then he says all of a sudden there were small deductibles for the doctor visit and the drugs and some other plans limited the doctors you could go to see. He then tells me that a couple of years ago his employer said "this medical insurance is killing us, every employee has to contribute" and now he's paying most of the insurance bill and he has some of my sibs on there too. If you examine the story you realize that probably the same thing has happened with medicare and medicade. It starts out with one purpose and morphs into something else.
Back to Paul Ryan. Since I don't think he does anything half assed and since he took quite a long time to come out with his plan, I suspect that he could tell you everything wrong with the "health care industry" and "drug providing industry" if you could sit down with him for a couple of hours. And, I'm willing to bet that he has some solutions. But, some of what he has to say might include agreeing with democrats on some issues. My dad tells me that is the way it used to be. He says republicans and democrats would work together on something they were passionate about for the good of the country. I feel like that doesn't happen any more. I feel like people are so worried about watching their every word that they don't get to say what they really want to say. I think, for the good of this country, Paul ryan may have to educate the American people, not only about medicare and medicade but about the true state of health care and the drug industry and how their lobbyists, remember BO said he would limit their effect and then hired them, are impacting everything, but mostly cost.
I know you guys feel that people shouldn't expect health insurance or medicare or medicade but it's become part of the fabric of life and your doctor is now a part of the "health care industry" which contributes to the GDP. Same thing is happening with education. So we might not want it but it's here and we have to deal with it. That's why I like Ryan, he deals with the reality as it is.
I think Paul Ryan has to begin sharing everything in his head with the American people. I feel as though there is so much in there and he doesn't know how to get it all out. My dad tells me that most people bought something called "major medical insurance" in case of a health emergency. He tells me that all of a sudden employers began handing out "health insurance" as a perk to get you to work for them. He said, in the beginning, they paid for the insurance. It was a very simple process he tells me. When we were little my dad would "submit a claim" with the attached doctor bills and receive a check from the insurance company. He then tells me that all of a sudden you weren't submitting a claim, your doctor was submitting it for you and you were suddenly getting coverage for drugs. Then he says all of a sudden there were small deductibles for the doctor visit and the drugs and some other plans limited the doctors you could go to see. He then tells me that a couple of years ago his employer said "this medical insurance is killing us, every employee has to contribute" and now he's paying most of the insurance bill and he has some of my sibs on there too. If you examine the story you realize that probably the same thing has happened with medicare and medicade. It starts out with one purpose and morphs into something else.
Back to Paul Ryan. Since I don't think he does anything half assed and since he took quite a long time to come out with his plan, I suspect that he could tell you everything wrong with the "health care industry" and "drug providing industry" if you could sit down with him for a couple of hours. And, I'm willing to bet that he has some solutions. But, some of what he has to say might include agreeing with democrats on some issues. My dad tells me that is the way it used to be. He says republicans and democrats would work together on something they were passionate about for the good of the country. I feel like that doesn't happen any more. I feel like people are so worried about watching their every word that they don't get to say what they really want to say. I think, for the good of this country, Paul ryan may have to educate the American people, not only about medicare and medicade but about the true state of health care and the drug industry and how their lobbyists, remember BO said he would limit their effect and then hired them, are impacting everything, but mostly cost.
I know you guys feel that people shouldn't expect health insurance or medicare or medicade but it's become part of the fabric of life and your doctor is now a part of the "health care industry" which contributes to the GDP. Same thing is happening with education. So we might not want it but it's here and we have to deal with it. That's why I like Ryan, he deals with the reality as it is.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:29 PM (k1rwm)
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So learn to read and quit misquoting me or STFU.
I've read your ouerve, it's remarkably consistent.
I've read your ouerve, it's remarkably consistent.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:29 PM (FInyg)
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it's not just the commenter you mentioned,...
And you still have explained the gtfo comment that got the rude response back from me.
And you still have explained the gtfo comment that got the rude response back from me.
Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:30 PM (M9Ie6)
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What pissed you off is I said Rudy is totally unacceptable and just as big as an asshole as Obama.
Oh, and you have me confused with someone else, because I don't give a damn about Rudy or Obama.
Oh, and you have me confused with someone else, because I don't give a damn about Rudy or Obama.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 27, 2011 07:31 PM (FInyg)
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123: Yeah, one thing I always noticed at work was that I could tell who were Democrats, just because they were the sleaziest, most selfish, most vulgar people there. Someone refers to someone as a "n!99&r"? Democrat every time, and not because the Democrats actively sought out racists, but rather because Democrats are just crude, vulgar criminals who talk like that. Someone bragging about cheating on his wife? Democrat. Someone stealing from the company? Democrat. If God has any justice, he'll give an automatic heaven pass to anyone who parks his car on a Democrat.
Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 07:31 PM (dvQqE)
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How does someone this "on it" vote for TARP and AIG? I know every candidate probably has votes they'd rather not defend (except President Present, of course), but Ryan made 2 big miscues in his area of expertise.
Yeah but those were mere votes for stuff that actually happened, and these are Plans, so these count, and those don't.
Ryan's supporters have a delusional Celebrity Obsession with him, and no serious political preferences or opinions, so it's what he says on TV (except when he says he's for bailouts, amnesty, raising taxes to WWII levels, etc.) that counts, not the things he actually does (unless he does them on TV with Bill Clinton, who's dreamy).
Yeah but those were mere votes for stuff that actually happened, and these are Plans, so these count, and those don't.
Ryan's supporters have a delusional Celebrity Obsession with him, and no serious political preferences or opinions, so it's what he says on TV (except when he says he's for bailouts, amnesty, raising taxes to WWII levels, etc.) that counts, not the things he actually does (unless he does them on TV with Bill Clinton, who's dreamy).
Posted by: oblig. at May 27, 2011 07:31 PM (xvZW9)
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Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:30 PM (M9Ie6)
jesus I promised to ignore you for the sake of us both, but since you wanted to start shit, I went off because you said you'd stay home or vote 3rd party if it was Rudy VS Obama
Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:30 PM (M9Ie6)
jesus I promised to ignore you for the sake of us both, but since you wanted to start shit, I went off because you said you'd stay home or vote 3rd party if it was Rudy VS Obama
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:32 PM (UzBwz)
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Do not get the "I wont vote in Nov if X wins the GOP nomination" Its like admitting your preferred candidate(s) may not be good enough to win the nomination. Hells bells its only may 2011. If your candidate is good promote them to your friends and neighbors. if X (ie Huntsman) is *THAT* bad then educate your friends and neighbors NOW but stop with the "I will hold my breath until I die" tantruming.
Posted by: palerider at May 27, 2011 07:32 PM (dkExz)
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I went off because you said you'd stay home or vote 3rd party if it was Rudy VS Obama
WHAT.WAS.GTFO? for the 3rd fucking time
WHAT.WAS.GTFO? for the 3rd fucking time
Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:34 PM (M9Ie6)
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Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:34 PM (M9Ie6)
oh you don't know what gtfo means, well google it
Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:34 PM (M9Ie6)
oh you don't know what gtfo means, well google it
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:36 PM (UzBwz)
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today I was talking to someone who is retiring in June and is very upset about this entire issue. Yet, she did not realize that Ryan's plan would have no effect whatsoever on her. And what really frightened me was the fact that she laughed when I said we could end up defaulting. She just laughed. She said "this is the United States of America, they are just saying that, no way we are anywhere near default." I mean this is the mentality of the educated independent retiree out there.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:37 PM (k1rwm)
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Well that is exactly what I thought it means so you started the shit and I will tell you, any time somebody starts shit with me I do not back off.
So you deserved everything you got.
So you deserved everything you got.
Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:38 PM (M9Ie6)
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did this turn into a Flame War Thread?
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:39 PM (5NfIh)
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Jeebus. Leave for a while, return, and the morons have formed a circular firing squad.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2011 07:40 PM (UOM48)
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Anyone else just get a "money-bomb" email from Michelle Bachmann?
Posted by: Clueless at May 27, 2011 07:24 PM (piMMO)
I unsubscribed months ago. When all I got was that, instead of a real stand on issues.
Posted by: Clueless at May 27, 2011 07:24 PM (piMMO)
I unsubscribed months ago. When all I got was that, instead of a real stand on issues.
Posted by: SomeWhereSouthWest at May 27, 2011 07:41 PM (CyPWX)
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Anyone else just get a "money-bomb" email from Michelle Bachmann?
Posted by: Clueless at May 27, 2011 07:24 PM (piMMO)
Yesterday I received a money-bomb email from a person who shall remain nameless.
Anyone else just get a "money-bomb" email from Michelle Bachmann?
Posted by: Clueless at May 27, 2011 07:24 PM (piMMO)
Yesterday I received a money-bomb email from a person who shall remain nameless.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at May 27, 2011 07:41 PM (cwFVA)
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I mean this is the mentality of the "educated" independent Democrat NYC retiree out there.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:37 PM (k1rwm)
Sorry. Had to fix it.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 07:37 PM (k1rwm)
Sorry. Had to fix it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2011 07:41 PM (UOM48)
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O/T: Prosser declared official winner after recount. And WI DoJ filing appeal with state SC over Sumi decision.
Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2011 07:43 PM (UT8P3)
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Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:38 PM (M9Ie6)
um dude who the fuck you think I am, curious? am I crying that you were mean to me because you disagreed w/ me? that you want to bunch me up w/ folks i'm not associated with? that your worthless to the cause to get rid of Obama because you want only a certain type of candidate? no i'm not. fuck with me, and I won't back off either tough guy over the internet. So you stay on your side of the fence, i'll stay on mine and we'll both fuck off from messing with one another like me and soothsayer do. got it? like it? good.
Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 07:38 PM (M9Ie6)
um dude who the fuck you think I am, curious? am I crying that you were mean to me because you disagreed w/ me? that you want to bunch me up w/ folks i'm not associated with? that your worthless to the cause to get rid of Obama because you want only a certain type of candidate? no i'm not. fuck with me, and I won't back off either tough guy over the internet. So you stay on your side of the fence, i'll stay on mine and we'll both fuck off from messing with one another like me and soothsayer do. got it? like it? good.
Posted by: YRM at May 27, 2011 07:43 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at May 27, 2011 07:46 PM (cwFVA)
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Prosser declared official winner after recount.
Awww........and Ed Schultz got suspended this week. To bad. I guess he will read the e-mail I sent to him next week when he gets back to the office.
Awww........and Ed Schultz got suspended this week. To bad. I guess he will read the e-mail I sent to him next week when he gets back to the office.
Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at May 27, 2011 07:46 PM (OWjjx)
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>>>I mean this is the mentality of the educated independent retiree out there.
THIS. ^^^
It's not just that, though. I've seen conservatives whining on Paul Ryan's facebook page (shut up, you FB-haters miss a lot of political stuff there) and elsewhere that he should "drop this plan" and focus on repealing Obamacare since that's why people were elected.
And nevermind the stupid shit the libs say, we've all seen that.
Most people are just really, really ignorant, uncurious, and stupid as a bag of hair. I hate to say it but I really don't think anything will be done about this shit. I think we're hurtling toward Greek doom, and we're just going to have to learn to adapt to it. Or at least this is what I think in my darkest moments when I'm reminded of how fucking stupid people are. *sigh*
Idiocracy. We haz it.
THIS. ^^^
It's not just that, though. I've seen conservatives whining on Paul Ryan's facebook page (shut up, you FB-haters miss a lot of political stuff there) and elsewhere that he should "drop this plan" and focus on repealing Obamacare since that's why people were elected.
And nevermind the stupid shit the libs say, we've all seen that.
Most people are just really, really ignorant, uncurious, and stupid as a bag of hair. I hate to say it but I really don't think anything will be done about this shit. I think we're hurtling toward Greek doom, and we're just going to have to learn to adapt to it. Or at least this is what I think in my darkest moments when I'm reminded of how fucking stupid people are. *sigh*
Idiocracy. We haz it.
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:47 PM (5NfIh)
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Time for a new subject. Meggie Mac - would you?
Oh, shit, we aleady discussed that. Never mind.
Oh, shit, we aleady discussed that. Never mind.
Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at May 27, 2011 07:47 PM (OWjjx)
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And, once again, the first post about Palin wasn’t from a Palin supporter. The first two out of three mentions of Palin weren’t from a Palin supporter (and the third wasn’t in response to the second.)
The only reason this thread can be said to have been hijacked is the fourth Palin mention, by… ace.
The only reason this thread can be said to have been hijacked is the fourth Palin mention, by… ace.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2011 07:58 PM (7Ahkq)
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Is the Id orEgo that rules themind.Maybe it just static electricty between the two ears. Air is a conductor, and some heads are full of it.
Posted by: I Am Not Grounded Properly at May 27, 2011 08:02 PM (CyPWX)
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So is there some contest for # of comments or something going on? Because a good rehash of longbows vs ??? and warfare tactics throughout history usually draws a subset of lurkers out of the woodwork and that hasn't been used yet.
Posted by: palerider at May 27, 2011 08:07 PM (dkExz)
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He's been saying this for a long time now, only he hasn't always made it the lead.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 27, 2011 08:13 PM (CLYmB)
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and elsewhere that he should "drop this plan" and focus on repealing Obamacare since that's why people were elected.
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:47 PM (5NfIh)
Ryan should push on with his plan, but the real job of all the other GOPers on the Hill is to repeal ObamaCare. They have let that go on a couple of CRs and an old budget, already. Now, they're going to whiff on a debt-limit bill.What Ryan is doing is parallel and separate from the necessary ObamaCare repeal effort, which should be first and foremost in the minds of the GOP. It IS why they were elected, in a nutshell.It's a question of what the GOP should be focused on, not Ryan, who is doing his thing well.
Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2011 07:47 PM (5NfIh)
Ryan should push on with his plan, but the real job of all the other GOPers on the Hill is to repeal ObamaCare. They have let that go on a couple of CRs and an old budget, already. Now, they're going to whiff on a debt-limit bill.What Ryan is doing is parallel and separate from the necessary ObamaCare repeal effort, which should be first and foremost in the minds of the GOP. It IS why they were elected, in a nutshell.It's a question of what the GOP should be focused on, not Ryan, who is doing his thing well.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 27, 2011 08:19 PM (G/MYk)
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Posted by: chaeli at May 27, 2011 08:24 PM (vrWJB)
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Until the GOP stops apologizing for being fiscal conservatives, they will lose. Now it's the country in peril, not just the party.
Lead, Paul Ryan!
Lead, Paul Ryan!
Posted by: PJ at May 27, 2011 08:25 PM (tybhV)
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Ryan has never supported or voted for raising taxes, so I'm not sure why this idea that he has.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 27, 2011 08:27 PM (CLYmB)
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The first mention of Palin was a joke, by someone referencing Meggie Mac's propensity to blame everything on Palin.
Wasn't really a mention of Palin.
Wasn't really a mention of Palin.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2011 08:27 PM (nj1bB)
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I'm one of the one's who mentioned Palin upstream...and got flamed...even by Ace. Whatevah, all of you. My point wasn't so much Palin, as the other guys gals really have some work to do to earn my vote. I
And, I won't vote for Mitt, Newt, or Rudy...I am through being an enabler for the R's. Some of you flamed me for that...fine. We're in the abyss...I'm not voting for anyone I don't believe can/will make the right decisions to at least give us a chance. I'll die with my boots on, thank you very much.
And, I won't vote for Mitt, Newt, or Rudy...I am through being an enabler for the R's. Some of you flamed me for that...fine. We're in the abyss...I'm not voting for anyone I don't believe can/will make the right decisions to at least give us a chance. I'll die with my boots on, thank you very much.
Posted by: The Hammer at May 27, 2011 08:48 PM (32ubA)
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"Obama's IPAB Board Will Control Medicare Decisions"
(Just heard her interviewed on the mark levin show, she was so informative.)
(Just heard her interviewed on the mark levin show, she was so informative.)
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 08:51 PM (k1rwm)
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Ryan looks Jewish. You know where that's going to lead.... (Them Jews is kontrolling Amerika.)
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2011 08:54 PM (dZ756)
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" Ryan married Janna Little, a tax attorney,in December 2001"
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 09:04 PM (k1rwm)
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Ryan looks Jewish. You know where that's going to lead.... (Them Jews is kontrolling Amerika.)
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2011 08:54 PM (dZ756)
He got married in St. John Vianny church.
Ryan looks Jewish. You know where that's going to lead.... (Them Jews is kontrolling Amerika.)
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2011 08:54 PM (dZ756)
He got married in St. John Vianny church.
Posted by: curious at May 27, 2011 09:07 PM (k1rwm)
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Ryan looks Jewish. You know where that's going to lead.... (Them Jews
is kontrolling Amerika.)
He's a devout Roman Catholic.
Ryan looks Jewish. You know where that's going to lead.... (Them Jews
is kontrolling Amerika.)
He's a devout Roman Catholic.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 27, 2011 09:09 PM (CLYmB)
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Usually when people complain about Rs being corrupt, they blame Wall Street, insurance companies, and the evil Koch brothers. It's a universal liberal slap against all Republicans.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 27, 2011 09:22 PM (CLYmB)
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Comeback?
Not even Republicans unanimously support Paul Ryan's plans. That's why his plan was defeated in the United States Senate ... ending his plan's chance.
Comeback? He lost. There is no comeback.
If he can't even convince everyone in his own party, then it's pointless to try to run on this. It's a bad idea that ONLY. HELPS. DEMOCRATS.
Not even Republicans unanimously support Paul Ryan's plans. That's why his plan was defeated in the United States Senate ... ending his plan's chance.
Comeback? He lost. There is no comeback.
If he can't even convince everyone in his own party, then it's pointless to try to run on this. It's a bad idea that ONLY. HELPS. DEMOCRATS.
Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 09:32 PM (iIQ0a)
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And, I won't vote for Mitt, Newt, or Rudy...I am through being an
enabler for the R's. Some of you flamed me for that...fine. We're in
the abyss...I'm not voting for anyone I don't believe can/will make the
right decisions to at least give us a chance. I'll die with my boots
on, thank you very much.
When you're underwater, you find some more air, or die. Die valiantly, defiantly, or crying for mercy; you're still the same in the end. If it takes a RINO president to slow down our fiscal collapse, I'm down.
And, I won't vote for Mitt, Newt, or Rudy...I am through being an
enabler for the R's. Some of you flamed me for that...fine. We're in
the abyss...I'm not voting for anyone I don't believe can/will make the
right decisions to at least give us a chance. I'll die with my boots
on, thank you very much.
When you're underwater, you find some more air, or die. Die valiantly, defiantly, or crying for mercy; you're still the same in the end. If it takes a RINO president to slow down our fiscal collapse, I'm down.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at May 27, 2011 09:33 PM (D+phB)
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173
Comeback?
Not even Republicans unanimously support Paul Ryan's plans. That's why
his plan was defeated in the United States Senate ... ending his plan's
chance.
Comeback? He lost. There is no comeback.
If he can't even convince everyone in his own party, then it's pointless
to try to run on this. It's a bad idea that ONLY. HELPS. DEMOCRATS.
(1) Between both houses, the Republican budget plan only lost 9 votes. Usually the party in power bleeds more votes but they didn't this time. The Republicans did an excellent job here, especially in the Senate where they weren't even whipped.
(2) The plan was defeated the Senate because it's controlled by Democrats. These same Democrats have chosen to let the system collapse so that they can impose even more socialism on Americans.
(3) Again, the budget had overwhelmingly support from Republicans. As to why more of them aren't as vocal, recent history shows that Republicans are not only frightened to criticizing Democrats but also afraid of their own shadows. Politicians also don't like taking risks because it endangers their cushy jobs and posh lifestyles.
Yet...
(5) If there was a time to bring this forward, it's now. The Tea Party freshmen and a number of House conservatives are supportive and willing to fight. We also know that entitlements are a large part of what is and will bankrupt this nation and we need to do something about it. The difficulty here is that the Rs were given the tools to properly explain this; it's more a matter of collectively getting the message out there in such a way that it will be heard by the average American.
Comeback?
Not even Republicans unanimously support Paul Ryan's plans. That's why
his plan was defeated in the United States Senate ... ending his plan's
chance.
Comeback? He lost. There is no comeback.
If he can't even convince everyone in his own party, then it's pointless
to try to run on this. It's a bad idea that ONLY. HELPS. DEMOCRATS.
(1) Between both houses, the Republican budget plan only lost 9 votes. Usually the party in power bleeds more votes but they didn't this time. The Republicans did an excellent job here, especially in the Senate where they weren't even whipped.
(2) The plan was defeated the Senate because it's controlled by Democrats. These same Democrats have chosen to let the system collapse so that they can impose even more socialism on Americans.
(3) Again, the budget had overwhelmingly support from Republicans. As to why more of them aren't as vocal, recent history shows that Republicans are not only frightened to criticizing Democrats but also afraid of their own shadows. Politicians also don't like taking risks because it endangers their cushy jobs and posh lifestyles.
Yet...
(5) If there was a time to bring this forward, it's now. The Tea Party freshmen and a number of House conservatives are supportive and willing to fight. We also know that entitlements are a large part of what is and will bankrupt this nation and we need to do something about it. The difficulty here is that the Rs were given the tools to properly explain this; it's more a matter of collectively getting the message out there in such a way that it will be heard by the average American.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 27, 2011 09:55 PM (CLYmB)
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Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 27, 2011 06:50 PM (y/+eD)
Joanie, you made my night. Glad to know I am not the only one around here with a serious crush on that man!
Joanie, you made my night. Glad to know I am not the only one around here with a serious crush on that man!
Posted by: Republican men are TEH HUNKS (especially Paul Ryan) at May 27, 2011 10:42 PM (2AfqM)
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Hawt. Between Paul Ryan speaking truth to Obama's failed economic policies/deficit and Ace's comments about Sarah Palin (i.e., "We don't find her as obsessively compelling as you do." ), I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: ConservativeBelle at May 27, 2011 11:11 PM (MqLH6)
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Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 27, 2011 08:19 PM (G/MYk)
------------------------You do realize that the Path to Prosperity IS a repeal of Obamacare, don't you?
See, that's why we're not winning this (yet). IT REPEALS OBAMACARE, and replaces it.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 27, 2011 08:19 PM (G/MYk)
------------------------You do realize that the Path to Prosperity IS a repeal of Obamacare, don't you?
See, that's why we're not winning this (yet). IT REPEALS OBAMACARE, and replaces it.
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