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Speaker Boehner's Office: Hey, You Have To Remember That $352 Million Compounds Over Time
I love this argument people trot out -- our tiny cuts actually get bigger over time. You know what else that's true for? The $1.5 trillion deficit. If $352 million will become $300 billion over time, whatever shall $1.5 trillion become? Or does the bad stuff not compound? By the way, if you were hoping the CBO was making this up, and that Boehner would contradict it -- based on the emails between Red State and his office, it seems confirmed and accepted. They want credit for the $38 billion in future spending authority they did cut, for example.Comments
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We shoulda seen what was coming.
February 18, 2011
From AoS: Flaming Skull
"Um: Half of Republican Caucus, Especially Leadership and Old Guard,
Votes With Democrats To Block Additional $22 Billion in Cuts"
"Republican committee chairmen like Lungren, Appropriations chief Hal
Rogers (R-Ky.) and Jo Bonner (Ala.) made a rare stand alongside
Democrats, while Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), a former chairman of the GOP
conference, spoke in strong support of the measure."
We shoulda seen what was coming.
February 18, 2011
From AoS: Flaming Skull
"Um: Half of Republican Caucus, Especially Leadership and Old Guard,
Votes With Democrats To Block Additional $22 Billion in Cuts"
"Republican committee chairmen like Lungren, Appropriations chief Hal
Rogers (R-Ky.) and Jo Bonner (Ala.) made a rare stand alongside
Democrats, while Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), a former chairman of the GOP
conference, spoke in strong support of the measure."
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 07:42 PM (UQjUb)
Posted by: numerically fluffy at April 13, 2011 07:42 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Congress at April 13, 2011 07:43 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: McLovin at April 13, 2011 07:43 PM (j0IcY)
5
My genital warts compound over time...
Posted by: guy with genital warts at April 13, 2011 07:43 PM (YVZlY)
6
Hal fucking Rogers.That's all I'm gonna say.If you don't know who he is, then you don't know dick-all about what's going on. Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 10, 2010 01:24 PM (uFokq)
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Hal fucking Rogers.That's all I'm gonna say.If you don't know who he is, then you don't know dick-all about what's going on. Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 10, 2010 01:24 PM (uFokq)
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Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (g73jP)
7
The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious.
Posted by: iowahawk at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (veL4N)
8
Hey man the fix is in. Why deny? But we're really going to fight on Ryan's budget......
Posted by: Alex #11 at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (A2w5y)
9
Or does the bad stuff not compound?
China's military compounds and improves over time, thanks to the interest payments we're giving them to finance our ever-expanding debt.
Or does the bad stuff not compound?
China's military compounds and improves over time, thanks to the interest payments we're giving them to finance our ever-expanding debt.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (c0A3e)
10
This dude is a fraud.
Goddamit we are so fucked and all he can do is talk shit about nothingness.
He might as well be half black with huge ears.
Liars.
And Cantor...well, you fucked us pal.
Goddamit we are so fucked and all he can do is talk shit about nothingness.
He might as well be half black with huge ears.
Liars.
And Cantor...well, you fucked us pal.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at April 13, 2011 07:47 PM (s5aNX)
Posted by: Seethsewer at April 13, 2011 07:47 PM (FYCiJ)
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You could tell there were no real cuts when you saw that they were funding Obama's new high speed rail at about 75% of the requested amount.
If you can't even stop that kind of new, no-consituency-existing-yet wateful spending, what the hell can you cut?
If you can't even stop that kind of new, no-consituency-existing-yet wateful spending, what the hell can you cut?
Posted by: ace at April 13, 2011 07:48 PM (nj1bB)
13
The GOP must think we're all fucking idiots. They would be wrong.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 07:48 PM (4mM9e)
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You worry too much ace . One of todays dollars ought to be worth at least the next multiple of trillion by the time the bill comes due .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 13, 2011 07:48 PM (npr0X)
15
We really are doomed,and fucked.It's obvious that we don't have serious leadership for our nation.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 07:49 PM (wbQ8+)
16
As Mark Steyn says, we are witnessing pre-revolutionary conditions.
Posted by: iowahawk at April 13, 2011 07:49 PM (veL4N)
17
Does a reduction in spending authority translate into a reduction in the budget baseline?
Posted by: t at April 13, 2011 07:49 PM (z9Awt)
18
Third Party.
Posted by: Yes, Obama would "wn" but that's pretty much what these scum deserve at April 13, 2011 07:50 PM (uqJo6)
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One of todays dollars ought to be worth at least the next multiple of trillion by the time the bill comes due .
Word ^^^^
Word ^^^^
Posted by: Robert Mugabe at April 13, 2011 07:50 PM (4mM9e)
20
Boehner is a pile of garbage.
Pains me to say so, but he flat out lied...with a fuckin cadaverous smile.
All that work electing these people, and they decide to pull this horseshit.
Boehner is a pile of garbage.
Pains me to say so, but he flat out lied...with a fuckin cadaverous smile.
All that work electing these people, and they decide to pull this horseshit.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at April 13, 2011 07:51 PM (s5aNX)
21
FUCK THEM ALL
Posted by: USA at April 13, 2011 07:51 PM (YZISw)
22
7 The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious.
Posted by: iowahawk at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (veL4N)
Iowahawk rules!
And that is high praise, coming from a Cyclone like me.
I am thinking it is almost third party time folks. Seriously.
Posted by: iowahawk at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (veL4N)
Iowahawk rules!
And that is high praise, coming from a Cyclone like me.
I am thinking it is almost third party time folks. Seriously.
Posted by: joefrog at April 13, 2011 07:52 PM (vKUhG)
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Want it to look realbig?
Let a little girl hold it.
Let a little girl hold it.
Posted by: Scott Ritter at April 13, 2011 07:52 PM (/Ua4T)
24
16 Yup.It is going to get ugly.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 07:52 PM (wbQ8+)
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The GOP must think we're all fucking idiots. They would be wrong.
Mr. Purple Avenger, our records indicate that you have not taken the opportunity to donate to the GOP and share in our vision of limited government and reduced taxes. Please return the enclosed envelop with a contribution of $200, $500, $1000 or more to show your commitment to limtied government and reduced taxes.
Mr. Purple Avenger, our records indicate that you have not taken the opportunity to donate to the GOP and share in our vision of limited government and reduced taxes. Please return the enclosed envelop with a contribution of $200, $500, $1000 or more to show your commitment to limtied government and reduced taxes.
Posted by: Waiting in your mailbox next Monday at April 13, 2011 07:53 PM (uqJo6)
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It's almost as if every bit of progress made by Gov Christie in NJ went completely unnoticed by the Republicans in Washington, D.C.
It's almost as if every bit of progress made by Gov Christie in NJ went completely unnoticed by the Republicans in Washington, D.C.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 07:53 PM (UQjUb)
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All these people are doing is passing around your tax dollars (and future tax dollars) like the whores at a frat house bachelor party. I guess they all decided to get it while the gettin is good, and deal with the consequences of the collapse when it happens.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 07:53 PM (Z1jiu)
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"The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious." #7, Iowahawk
How about the Canadian Dollar? At least they're close and the banks have 'em?
How about the Canadian Dollar? At least they're close and the banks have 'em?
Posted by: Old Sailor at April 13, 2011 07:53 PM (/Ft4q)
29
Buuurrn it. Burn it alll...
Posted by: Henry Fonda at The Bulge at April 13, 2011 07:54 PM (gJNMj)
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Boehner's office? Where's Boehner? Has he got someone holding up a hat on a stick?
Posted by: Cicero at April 13, 2011 07:54 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: The Pat Caddell at April 13, 2011 07:54 PM (uqJo6)
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If the GOP won't do the right thing because they don't think they can get re-elected, what's the point of electing them in the first place?
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 07:54 PM (MMC8r)
33
Do these cocksuckers really think this is a joke? Are they really that detached? Boehner can go fuck himself.
Whats coming next will make 1861 look like childsplay.
Fuck 'em and let God sort em out
Whats coming next will make 1861 look like childsplay.
Fuck 'em and let God sort em out
Posted by: Pablo KissmyassO at April 13, 2011 07:54 PM (yAtRS)
34
Christie made the template; he showed us the way to handle budget cuts.
So there's no excuse. Ace is right; the Republicans do not care about deficit reduction.
Christie made the template; he showed us the way to handle budget cuts.
So there's no excuse. Ace is right; the Republicans do not care about deficit reduction.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 07:55 PM (g73jP)
35
Let's make him cry.
Office of the
Speaker
H-232 The Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-0600
Fax
202) 225-5117http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/
My email
Mr. Speaker,I have to tell you after coming home tonight and finding out the budget deal didn't really make any spending cuts, I'm outraged. I can't believe after the message sent last November the GOP still can't do what's right. I'd suggest both you and Rep. Hal Rodgers resign and let someone else try to do something to prevent this country's fiscal ruin. You obviously don't want to.
Office of the
Speaker
H-232 The Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-0600
Fax
202) 225-5117http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/My email
Mr. Speaker,I have to tell you after coming home tonight and finding out the budget deal didn't really make any spending cuts, I'm outraged. I can't believe after the message sent last November the GOP still can't do what's right. I'd suggest both you and Rep. Hal Rodgers resign and let someone else try to do something to prevent this country's fiscal ruin. You obviously don't want to.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 07:55 PM (GZitp)
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Hey, You Have To Remember That $352 Million Compounds Over Time
So does the debt the Federal Reserve charges taxpayers for every dollar "created" .
So does the debt the Federal Reserve charges taxpayers for every dollar "created" .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 13, 2011 07:55 PM (npr0X)
37
Don't let anyone lie to you but me.
Posted by: Rep. John "I Got The Message" Boehner at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (QKKT0)
38
unacceptable. Like I said in the last comments section, Boehner and Cantor have been all over twitter posting about how these are real cuts and not Dem, smoke and mirrors. They really do think we are idiots.
Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (YhZFe)
39
32
If the GOP won't do the right thing because they don't think they can
get re-elected, what's the point of electing them in the first place?
Uh, so they can lead us on the scenic route to Hell rather than the direct elevator the Democrats would utilize?
If the GOP won't do the right thing because they don't think they can
get re-elected, what's the point of electing them in the first place?
Uh, so they can lead us on the scenic route to Hell rather than the direct elevator the Democrats would utilize?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: jcjimi at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (ay6+/)
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I'm so fucking pissed right now. Guess what I got in the mail today? A happy little letter from the IRS telling me that I somehow owe them about 500 dollars from 2009. Any suggestions?
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (+yOWy)
42
The GOP may have to go the way of the Whigs.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (wbQ8+)
43
All that work electing these people, and they decide to pull this horseshit.
In the deepest recesses of my soul, I knew they'd betray us even as I voted for them.
In the deepest recesses of my soul, I knew they'd betray us even as I voted for them.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 07:57 PM (4mM9e)
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Wonder if the Dems let Boehner smoke after the fucked him in the ass?
Scratch that: The Dems didn't fuck Boehner in the ass--they told him to fuck himself in the ass with a rusty-pipe so they could watch and take cell-phone videos to pass to all their friends. So, somewhere out there is a video of Boehner ramming a rusty pipe up his ass and crying while a bunch of Dems stand around laughing and high-fiving each other . . . .
Scratch that: The Dems didn't fuck Boehner in the ass--they told him to fuck himself in the ass with a rusty-pipe so they could watch and take cell-phone videos to pass to all their friends. So, somewhere out there is a video of Boehner ramming a rusty pipe up his ass and crying while a bunch of Dems stand around laughing and high-fiving each other . . . .
Posted by: jimmuy at April 13, 2011 07:58 PM (LkNeJ)
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41 I'm so fucking pissed right now. Guess what I got in the mail today? A happy little letter from the IRS telling me that I somehow owe them about 500 dollars from 2009. Any suggestions?
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (+yOWy)
Tell them Tim Geithner did your taxes.
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (+yOWy)
Tell them Tim Geithner did your taxes.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 07:58 PM (bxiXv)
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In the deepest recesses of my soul, I knew they'd betray us even as I voted for them.
Me too. It was easy to figure out what to say to get elected in 2010.
Me too. It was easy to figure out what to say to get elected in 2010.
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 13, 2011 07:59 PM (gJNMj)
47
It's like being on an airliner in a nosedive for the ocean, and the captain and the fight attendants are just yukking it up in the first class cabin.
Posted by: Cicero at April 13, 2011 07:59 PM (QKKT0)
48
My rage is compounding too.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at April 13, 2011 07:59 PM (vIWL2)
49
How about the Canadian Dollar? At least they're close and the banks have 'em?
Buy soon, Old Sailor, the exchange rate is $1.04 today in the Hoser-buck's favour. And given enough of them in a sock the $1 and $2 coins can be turned into an effective blackjack.
Buy soon, Old Sailor, the exchange rate is $1.04 today in the Hoser-buck's favour. And given enough of them in a sock the $1 and $2 coins can be turned into an effective blackjack.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 13, 2011 07:59 PM (Y1DZt)
50
So Monty: Do you have room for horses in your compound? I am trying to set up my own this summer but its been slow going. Hopefully the serious hyperinflation doesn't hit before I can in basics of well, septic, polebarn .... Trying to avoid a proper house since that will give the state a big target to tax. Darn I wish I had bought as much gold as I could afford in 2008 when it was around $700 and I thought, thats SO high.
Posted by: palerider at April 13, 2011 08:00 PM (dkExz)
51
Okay. Just the tip.
Posted by: John Boehner at April 13, 2011 08:00 PM (MMC8r)
52
Has Rand Paul spoken out on this yet? Is he still considering a filibuster?
Posted by: USA at April 13, 2011 08:01 PM (YZISw)
53
WTF choice did we have though,but to trust them?Electing Democrats is even worse and we all know some candidates are unelectable(we've fought and refought that battle).
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:01 PM (wbQ8+)
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Do these cocksuckers really think this is a joke? Are they really that detached?
Yes they do, and yes they are. The D.C. bubble is apparently made of pure nutronium.
We need to target Boehner right now for a primary challenge. I don't give a rats ass if it causes the seat to be temporarily lost to a Dem redder than chairman Mao.
Crystal clear messages need to be sent.
Do these cocksuckers really think this is a joke? Are they really that detached?
Yes they do, and yes they are. The D.C. bubble is apparently made of pure nutronium.
We need to target Boehner right now for a primary challenge. I don't give a rats ass if it causes the seat to be temporarily lost to a Dem redder than chairman Mao.
Crystal clear messages need to be sent.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 08:01 PM (4mM9e)
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50: argh, sucky proof reading abilities. Before I can PUT in the basics of a well etc.
Posted by: palerider at April 13, 2011 08:02 PM (dkExz)
56
I'm so fucking pissed right now. Guess
what I got in the mail today? A happy little letter from the IRS
telling me that I somehow owe them about 500 dollars from 2009. Any
suggestions?
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (+yOWy)
We went thru that a few years ago and we pointed out why they were wrong. They couldn't add and subtract correctly. They ended up owing us exactly $1.00, but sent a letter saying they don't issue refunds less than $5 unless we mail them a registered letter asking for it. The registered letter would have cost $1.05.
what I got in the mail today? A happy little letter from the IRS
telling me that I somehow owe them about 500 dollars from 2009. Any
suggestions?
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (+yOWy)
We went thru that a few years ago and we pointed out why they were wrong. They couldn't add and subtract correctly. They ended up owing us exactly $1.00, but sent a letter saying they don't issue refunds less than $5 unless we mail them a registered letter asking for it. The registered letter would have cost $1.05.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 08:02 PM (Z1jiu)
57
This time we go the "turd sandwich"
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 13, 2011 08:02 PM (tvs2p)
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As Mark Steyn says, we are witnessing pre-revolutionary conditions.
That was clear in Nov 2008, when this nation voted for Suicide by Indonesian. The election of 2010 was just a sad attempt by many to convince themselves that this national suicide was stoppable, but the lie was immediately put to that with that criminal lame duck session - which was about the biggest "Fuck you, America" I've seen from Congress. The fact that all who participated in that escaped unscathed (and no one even talks about that crime any more) just showed that there is nothing left to save.
The damage done by the Ineligible Indonesian and his junta of lunatics is irreparable. That was the danger of allowing the Constitution to be trod upon in order that the poor Indonesian didn't get embarrassed by anyone asking if he is actually a natural-born citizen, which he isn't. Once that was thrown away, it was inevitable that all would come crashing down.
As Mark Steyn says, we are witnessing pre-revolutionary conditions.
That was clear in Nov 2008, when this nation voted for Suicide by Indonesian. The election of 2010 was just a sad attempt by many to convince themselves that this national suicide was stoppable, but the lie was immediately put to that with that criminal lame duck session - which was about the biggest "Fuck you, America" I've seen from Congress. The fact that all who participated in that escaped unscathed (and no one even talks about that crime any more) just showed that there is nothing left to save.
The damage done by the Ineligible Indonesian and his junta of lunatics is irreparable. That was the danger of allowing the Constitution to be trod upon in order that the poor Indonesian didn't get embarrassed by anyone asking if he is actually a natural-born citizen, which he isn't. Once that was thrown away, it was inevitable that all would come crashing down.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 08:02 PM (G/MYk)
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And all those jobs that were saved or created were before the multiplier effect.
Posted by: FireHorse at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (JuKNT)
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Repeat after me: "The Democrats want [grandma to starve] so that they can spend money on [cowboy poetry]."
Replace stuff in the brackets with whatever you want.
Replace stuff in the brackets with whatever you want.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (T0NGe)
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Okay.
Okay, let's take a breath here and think.
Coming up soon we have the 2011 budget. This is our next hill. What's our plan?
Is it to back Paul Ryan's Path 100%/
50%?
0%? Probably 0, right?
Okay.
Okay, let's take a breath here and think.
Coming up soon we have the 2011 budget. This is our next hill. What's our plan?
Is it to back Paul Ryan's Path 100%/
50%?
0%? Probably 0, right?
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (UQjUb)
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We went thru that a few years ago and we pointed out why they were wrong. They couldn't add and subtract correctly. They ended up owing us exactly $1.00, but sent a letter saying they don't issue refunds less than $5 unless we mail them a registered letter asking for it. The registered letter would have cost $1.05.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 08:02 PM (Z1jiu)
Bazinga!
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 08:02 PM (Z1jiu)
Bazinga!
Posted by: The IRS at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (QKKT0)
63
Boehner just released this
Posted by: booger at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (9RFH1)
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Primary his ass.
And Cantor's.
Actually, I think its time to discuss a new conservative party. The Dems are socialists and the Pubs are lying, crooked, me too socialists. NEITHER group will ever cut government.
New party or...time to water the tree of liberty. Me, I'd like to try a new party before we start watering.
And Cantor's.
Actually, I think its time to discuss a new conservative party. The Dems are socialists and the Pubs are lying, crooked, me too socialists. NEITHER group will ever cut government.
New party or...time to water the tree of liberty. Me, I'd like to try a new party before we start watering.
Posted by: Louis Tully at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (BZEkR)
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53 WTF choice did we have though,but to trust them?Electing Democrats is even worse and we all know some candidates are unelectable(we've fought and refought that battle). Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:01 PM (wbQ8+)
It's hard to remember when you're being raped that the alternative is being raped and murdered.Seriously, this all sucks, but if enough people stay home in 2012, we are massively boned.Republican Path - damned hard road, constant fight, continued corruption.Democrat Path - Great Leap Forward to Mass GravesI don't think I'm kidding, though of course the Dems will sell it under a different brand name, the end will be the same because it always is.
It's hard to remember when you're being raped that the alternative is being raped and murdered.Seriously, this all sucks, but if enough people stay home in 2012, we are massively boned.Republican Path - damned hard road, constant fight, continued corruption.Democrat Path - Great Leap Forward to Mass GravesI don't think I'm kidding, though of course the Dems will sell it under a different brand name, the end will be the same because it always is.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:04 PM (bxiXv)
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So, somewhere out there is a video of Boehner
It uses that stupid "night cam" so I thought it was another Paris Hilton video, but he had better boobs.
It uses that stupid "night cam" so I thought it was another Paris Hilton video, but he had better boobs.
Posted by: Monkey's Uncle at April 13, 2011 08:04 PM (JEvSn)
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You know I am willing to skip asking my congressman to vote no on this (what is the bill # even) if the GOP will just get the 100 BILLION cuts they promised me and the long term changes in Ryan's budget in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. Yeah I know the odds of that happening are piss poor.
Posted by: palerider at April 13, 2011 08:04 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:05 PM (g73jP)
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I actually believed they would get this deficit back down to the $500 billion of Bush, since all that other crap was dem dream programs that just started. I feel like a complete idiot, I walked over 180 houses.
But I'm done, Rand Paul is the only one who seems to believe what he says.
But I'm done, Rand Paul is the only one who seems to believe what he says.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 08:06 PM (Z1jiu)
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Tiny dicks don't compound over time.
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at April 13, 2011 08:06 PM (RZ8pf)
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The Mariana Trench is the lowest point in the Earth's crust at an depth of over 35,000 feet.
Just as I predicted it would be.
Just as I predicted it would be.
Posted by: Seethsewer at April 13, 2011 08:06 PM (FYCiJ)
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0%? Probably 0, right?
After negotiating, that's going to be like three and a half billion in cuts. Over fourteen years.
After negotiating, that's going to be like three and a half billion in cuts. Over fourteen years.
Posted by: Methos at April 13, 2011 08:07 PM (uqJo6)
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Math is hard
Posted by: Washington Politicians at April 13, 2011 08:07 PM (bgcml)
74
Hey.
You guys like cuts right? What's not to like.
We thought you'd like the cuts we made to our election promises.
You guys like cuts right? What's not to like.
We thought you'd like the cuts we made to our election promises.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:07 PM (SwWT6)
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63
Boehner just released this
Posted by: booger at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (9RFH1)
"and will result in $315 billion worth of savings over the next decade."
That's covers six weeks of our deficit spending, that ain't shit. What the fuck is wrong with him?
Boehner just released this
Posted by: booger at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (9RFH1)
"and will result in $315 billion worth of savings over the next decade."
That's covers six weeks of our deficit spending, that ain't shit. What the fuck is wrong with him?
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:07 PM (GZitp)
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65 Exactly.I no longer believe Republicans give a shit about anything but keeping their jobs and perks(in general of course) but they don't want the US to be brought down to the level of second world status(which the Dems DO want).It just so happens that they are facilitating just such a decline by protecting their own asses.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:07 PM (wbQ8+)
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63 Boehner just released this
Posted by: booger at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (9RFH1)
Wait, is Politico the source for all this? And is that $352 million based on the assumption that Obama would *not* spend some funds authorized?Because that's pretty obviously horseshit in either case.
Posted by: booger at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (9RFH1)
Wait, is Politico the source for all this? And is that $352 million based on the assumption that Obama would *not* spend some funds authorized?Because that's pretty obviously horseshit in either case.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:07 PM (bxiXv)
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"It's hard to remember when you're being raped that the alternative is being raped and murdered."
I think in this case we're being raped by our husbands who promise they'll change, yet fully intend to murder us in the end.
Honestly though, I get what you're saying. It just really fucking sucks that no one gives a flying shit about our interests.
I think in this case we're being raped by our husbands who promise they'll change, yet fully intend to murder us in the end.
Honestly though, I get what you're saying. It just really fucking sucks that no one gives a flying shit about our interests.
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 08:07 PM (+yOWy)
79
Me, I'd like to try a new party before we start watering.
Gorbachev tried to genuinely soften the face of the Soviet and implement actual reforms, but it wasn't enough. They still had to burn it down and start over.
If any serious 3rd party effort were launched, the Dem/GOP response would be to immediately infiltrate and compromise it. They'll both close ranks to defend their turf.
Gorbachev tried to genuinely soften the face of the Soviet and implement actual reforms, but it wasn't enough. They still had to burn it down and start over.
If any serious 3rd party effort were launched, the Dem/GOP response would be to immediately infiltrate and compromise it. They'll both close ranks to defend their turf.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 08:08 PM (4mM9e)
80
Now the GOP leadership is going after Tim Pawlenty for criticizing this deal. Calling him a "Blue Dog Democrat," as if that makes even the slightest bit of fucking sense.
As Allahpundit put it: "Tim Pawlenty receives the biggest favor of his life."
As Allahpundit put it: "Tim Pawlenty receives the biggest favor of his life."
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:08 PM (NjYDy)
81
7
The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious.
Posted by: iowahawk at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (veL4N)
Let's all move to SecondLife.com!!1!1!!
The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious.
Posted by: iowahawk at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (veL4N)
Let's all move to SecondLife.com!!1!1!!
Posted by: Took Time From My Virtual World To Type That at April 13, 2011 08:08 PM (QR9PP)
82
If it comes to violence let us hope the left starts it off(I have little doubt that they will but the MFM will try to spin it).
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:09 PM (wbQ8+)
83
79 Agreed.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:10 PM (wbQ8+)
84
57 This time we got the "turd sandwich"
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 13, 2011 08:02 PM (tvs2p)
I just had a "Me" sandwich.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 13, 2011 08:02 PM (tvs2p)
I just had a "Me" sandwich.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 13, 2011 08:10 PM (6yyVB)
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 08:10 PM (+yOWy)
86
When is our day of rage?
Posted by: LibertarianJim at April 13, 2011 08:10 PM (86FvD)
87
You know when I was pissed on Saturday you guys were all mad at me and I was trying to tell you all that it didn't matter cause it was all virtual numbers. I mean, why send you kid to study accounting, send the kid to engineering school and then for an MBA and then on to become a multi million dollar paid quant cause it seems now, not only is wall street using quants but the government seems to be employing these folks as well. Heck, the next thing we'll find out is that the government has shell companies and is running a government hedge fund and is behaving like wall street.
Was a little disappointed today. The prez didn't talk about making members of congress pay their back taxes as an example to the public at large. Especially since they, without warning, put a lean on my friend's first house, cause there was an error on a tax form two years ago. So he owes twenty grand, which he will gladly and easily pay but now he has to unwind a lein.
Was a little disappointed today. The prez didn't talk about making members of congress pay their back taxes as an example to the public at large. Especially since they, without warning, put a lean on my friend's first house, cause there was an error on a tax form two years ago. So he owes twenty grand, which he will gladly and easily pay but now he has to unwind a lein.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 08:10 PM (k1rwm)
88
But I'm done, Rand Paul is the only one who seems to believe what he says.
Michelle Bachman, Jim DeMint, there are others.
A very few are great, a great many are terrible, and a bunch are inbetween.
PRIMARY THEM. Fire their duplicitous thieving aristoi asses, even the freshmen.
Michelle Bachman, Jim DeMint, there are others.
A very few are great, a great many are terrible, and a bunch are inbetween.
PRIMARY THEM. Fire their duplicitous thieving aristoi asses, even the freshmen.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:10 PM (SwWT6)
89
There was a story on the sidebar a few days ago about a guy being convicted for trading silver as currency.
In Georgia, I think.
There was a story on the sidebar a few days ago about a guy being convicted for trading silver as currency.
In Georgia, I think.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:10 PM (UQjUb)
90
"The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious."
How about tears?
How about tears?
Posted by: John's Limp Boner at April 13, 2011 08:11 PM (mEyVv)
91
As Allahpundit put it: "Tim Pawlenty receives the biggest favor of his life."
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:08 PM (NjYDy)
Pawlenty is nobody. He can make as much noise as possible for him and it'd be like a banjo player in clown makeup competing with a guy holding a Gibson SG plugged into a Marshall stack.
He needs to go play with the rest of the preschoolers.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:08 PM (NjYDy)
Pawlenty is nobody. He can make as much noise as possible for him and it'd be like a banjo player in clown makeup competing with a guy holding a Gibson SG plugged into a Marshall stack.
He needs to go play with the rest of the preschoolers.
Posted by: Took Time From My Virtual World To Type That at April 13, 2011 08:11 PM (QR9PP)
92
Second look at me? You betcha!
Posted by: Sarah Palin at April 13, 2011 08:12 PM (mEyVv)
93
Maybe a R-TP hybrid splits away from the GOP,not actually destroying the GOP like the Whigs but supplementing it.They can form alliances where there is common ground.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:12 PM (wbQ8+)
94
Math is hard
LOL, I was gonna post the same thing. If you thought pre-calc was hard wait till the new math FUCKING RAPES YOUR ASSHOLE TILL IT LOOKS LIKE SPAGETTI.
LOL, I was gonna post the same thing. If you thought pre-calc was hard wait till the new math FUCKING RAPES YOUR ASSHOLE TILL IT LOOKS LIKE SPAGETTI.
Posted by: Max Power at April 13, 2011 08:12 PM (q177U)
95
You didn't think you were done, did you?
You didn't think you're retake the whole party in just one election, when the vast majority of the Senate wasn't even up?
If you want the sequel to be any good, you're going to need twice as much blood and gore.
And don't forget the state level. Before it's all over you'll depending on them to secceed anyway.
You didn't think you're retake the whole party in just one election, when the vast majority of the Senate wasn't even up?
If you want the sequel to be any good, you're going to need twice as much blood and gore.
And don't forget the state level. Before it's all over you'll depending on them to secceed anyway.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:12 PM (SwWT6)
96
There was a story on the sidebar a few days ago about a guy being convicted for trading silver as currency.
In Georgia, I think.
Dood was minting his own coins . Did not end well .
In Georgia, I think.
Dood was minting his own coins . Did not end well .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 13, 2011 08:13 PM (npr0X)
97
"In the deepest recesses of my soul, I knew they'd betray us even as I voted for them."
Yeah, I knew this cadaver Boehner and his alcoholic's tan would bend over and take a road cone with Barry written on it up his ass. He is worthless, he's a fuckin politician.
Hey Boehner, where are you going to come up with all that money you need for your goddamn programs? YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.
I gotta cut a tax payment check tonight for the first time in my life to the Fed Govt. Does Boehner even pay taxes? Do any of them? I'm feeling sure they don't do shit, except profit from being government stooges.
Thanks assholes No more fucking money to you. EVER. Rand Paul, sure...you clowns? No.
Of course, I'll pay my taxes like a good little prole.
"In the deepest recesses of my soul, I knew they'd betray us even as I voted for them."
Yeah, I knew this cadaver Boehner and his alcoholic's tan would bend over and take a road cone with Barry written on it up his ass. He is worthless, he's a fuckin politician.
Hey Boehner, where are you going to come up with all that money you need for your goddamn programs? YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.
I gotta cut a tax payment check tonight for the first time in my life to the Fed Govt. Does Boehner even pay taxes? Do any of them? I'm feeling sure they don't do shit, except profit from being government stooges.
Thanks assholes No more fucking money to you. EVER. Rand Paul, sure...you clowns? No.
Of course, I'll pay my taxes like a good little prole.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at April 13, 2011 08:13 PM (s5aNX)
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I'm just glad we still have Cowboy Poetry paid for by all of us. At least we got that goin' for us.
Surprised PP doesn't get money to have Cowboy Poets recite poems read during abortions. Understand babies like Cowboy Poetry...oops, no more baby.
Surprised PP doesn't get money to have Cowboy Poets recite poems read during abortions. Understand babies like Cowboy Poetry...oops, no more baby.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 13, 2011 08:13 PM (6yyVB)
99
Srsly: Fzk Pwlnty
Posted by: K~Bob has sock problems at April 13, 2011 08:13 PM (QR9PP)
100
82 If it comes to violence let us hope the left starts it off(I have little doubt that they will but the MFM will try to spin it). Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:09 PM (wbQ8+)
They already have, but the MBM won't cover it.How many "Union Thug" stories have we had here, from beatings to bitings to mobs and arson?We take the blame even when we don't have anything to do with it (Loughner).
They already have, but the MBM won't cover it.How many "Union Thug" stories have we had here, from beatings to bitings to mobs and arson?We take the blame even when we don't have anything to do with it (Loughner).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:13 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (UQjUb)
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>>Pawlenty is nobody. He can make as much noise as possible for him and it'd be like a banjo player in clown makeup competing with a guy holding a Gibson SG plugged into a Marshall stack.>>He needs to go play with the rest of the preschoolers.
Oh really? Unlike certain other Republican pussies I can think of, Tim Pawlenty shut down the government rather than accept a shitty deal from Democrats.
Twice.
And ended up winning. So call him a preschooler all you want, but even if he looks milquetoast he's actually PULLED THE TRIGGER on something like this and lived to tell the tale. I respect that, especially at this particular moment.
Oh really? Unlike certain other Republican pussies I can think of, Tim Pawlenty shut down the government rather than accept a shitty deal from Democrats.
Twice.
And ended up winning. So call him a preschooler all you want, but even if he looks milquetoast he's actually PULLED THE TRIGGER on something like this and lived to tell the tale. I respect that, especially at this particular moment.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (NjYDy)
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95 Didn't think we were done but thought we were on the same page.Turns out they are reading a different book.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (wbQ8+)
104
Well, I was Speaker longer than Bob Livingston.
Posted by: John Boehner at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (MMC8r)
105
"The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious."
Faster is better. If you wait too much longer to switch over your dollars, your life savings might not be worth a hill of beans either way.
Faster is better. If you wait too much longer to switch over your dollars, your life savings might not be worth a hill of beans either way.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (SwWT6)
106
Boehner just releasedthis
Posted by: booger at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (9RFH1)
$315 billion in deficit savings over the next decade. I'm sooo fucking impressed. This just changes everything.
Posted by: booger at April 13, 2011 08:03 PM (9RFH1)
$315 billion in deficit savings over the next decade. I'm sooo fucking impressed. This just changes everything.
Posted by: Steph, Sith apprentice on bended knee at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (AkdC5)
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100 Yeah but it is limited as of yet.I'm talking about city's being closed down when the unions realise the gravy train has stopped rolling.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:15 PM (wbQ8+)
108
With all the dire predictions of DOOM!, this would be a perfect time to actually start talking about eliminating entire departments and agencies. It's clear that Washington will have to start doing something besides flapping their gums. We need a drastic reduction in the federal government and this is the perfect excuse to do it.
Everything needs to be on the table. Everything.
Everything needs to be on the table. Everything.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 13, 2011 08:15 PM (d0Tfm)
109
You know how quickly a city runs out of food if there are no deliveries?
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:16 PM (wbQ8+)
110
The debt ceiling must not be raised. Crash the bus into the woods before it heads over the cliff. No more credit cards, pols.
Posted by: The undead at April 13, 2011 08:16 PM (TgWnA)
Posted by: The 27 Percent by Which Sarah Palin Increased Alaska's Budget as Governor at April 13, 2011 08:16 PM (FYCiJ)
Posted by: Snow White at April 13, 2011 08:16 PM (Z1jiu)
Posted by: navycopjoe at April 13, 2011 08:16 PM (EOu3d)
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Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:12 PM (SwWT6)
This entropy fellow is making sense, but I am a little concerned that he will be less energetic going forward.
Probably not. Obama has repealed the laws of economics, so physics isn't far behind.
This entropy fellow is making sense, but I am a little concerned that he will be less energetic going forward.
Probably not. Obama has repealed the laws of economics, so physics isn't far behind.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 13, 2011 08:16 PM (LH6ir)
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So I'm supposed to believe that if I don't spend $3.52 today on Valu-rite at some future date I'll have reduced spending on the beverage of choice by $35.20? Don't see it myself.
If I buy a $100 item when it's on sale at 20% off, I didn't save $20, that $20 does not appear in my checking account, but $80 does go out.
I can, however, acquire a pitchfork for no cash outlay, it's just a short walk down to the barn. If I dig around a bit I can probably find a sharpening stone, too.
If I buy a $100 item when it's on sale at 20% off, I didn't save $20, that $20 does not appear in my checking account, but $80 does go out.
I can, however, acquire a pitchfork for no cash outlay, it's just a short walk down to the barn. If I dig around a bit I can probably find a sharpening stone, too.
Posted by: Retread at April 13, 2011 08:17 PM (okCHU)
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Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:10 PM (UQjUb)
beck talked about it, it's on one of his sites, 16 years.
beck had a reason why this was so unfair.
beck talked about it, it's on one of his sites, 16 years.
beck had a reason why this was so unfair.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 08:17 PM (k1rwm)
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Like he was an agent for the U.S. Mint?
No . More like impersonating one . IIRC he got some serious jail time and they're trying to confiscate seven odd million dollars worth of silver bullion .
No . More like impersonating one . IIRC he got some serious jail time and they're trying to confiscate seven odd million dollars worth of silver bullion .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 13, 2011 08:17 PM (npr0X)
118
Remember this gem from "Ass-Rape Me Please" Boehner: I’d just point out that John Boehner said on February 11, 2011,
“We are going to cut $100 billion in discretionary spending next week.
Write it down. $100 billion in discretionary spending. And we aren’t
going to stop there.” (via RedState--which the Speaker is spending more time fighting with than the Dems, tells ya' who that fucker thinks the enemy is.)
“We are going to cut $100 billion in discretionary spending next week.
Write it down. $100 billion in discretionary spending. And we aren’t
going to stop there.” (via RedState--which the Speaker is spending more time fighting with than the Dems, tells ya' who that fucker thinks the enemy is.)
Posted by: jimmuy at April 13, 2011 08:17 PM (LkNeJ)
119
101
Like he was an agent for the U.S. Mint?
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (UQjUb)
No, he always said he wasn't making legal currency, but since he didn't grease the right palms, it's jail time.I asked what he did differently than the Franklin Mint, but the only answer was that he must not have had a good relationship with the officials. They both privately minted collector coins, as does whoever makes the tokens for Chuck E Cheeze's.
Like he was an agent for the U.S. Mint?
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (UQjUb)
No, he always said he wasn't making legal currency, but since he didn't grease the right palms, it's jail time.I asked what he did differently than the Franklin Mint, but the only answer was that he must not have had a good relationship with the officials. They both privately minted collector coins, as does whoever makes the tokens for Chuck E Cheeze's.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:17 PM (bxiXv)
120
110 Clearly this bunch will not do that.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:17 PM (wbQ8+)
121
Crash the bus into the woods before it heads over the cliff.
Not while I'm driving, pal. It's over the cliff we go!
Not while I'm driving, pal. It's over the cliff we go!
Posted by: Toonces The Presidential Cat at April 13, 2011 08:18 PM (vbh31)
122
It would really fucking help if you morons tried to understand the how the system actually works.You known, the facts and shit like that?
Posted by: ghostcat at April 13, 2011 08:18 PM (U2BT3)
123
You know how quickly a city runs out of food if there are no deliveries?
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:16 PM (wbQ8+)
One day, two days max.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:16 PM (wbQ8+)
One day, two days max.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 08:18 PM (OgDRw)
124
Jeff, T-Paw is goin' nowhere. He sucked up to the greenies and still hasn't gone nuclear on the Warmists. Screw him. He's lovin' that grain-to-ethanol gravy train so much the ether made him thin.
This is a time for ass kicking. The "I got along with the Other Side and made shit happen" folks (Romney Care anyone? <spit>
can all KMA.
Right
down
the
middle
This is a time for ass kicking. The "I got along with the Other Side and made shit happen" folks (Romney Care anyone? <spit>
can all KMA.Right
down
the
middle
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 08:18 PM (QR9PP)
125
"The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious." #7, Iowahawk"
"STATESVILLE, NC—Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted today by a federal jury of making, possessing, and selling his own coins, announced Anne M. Tompkins, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina. Following an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation, von NotHaus, the founder and monetary architect of a currency known as the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty by a jury in Statesville, North Carolina, of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins; of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing Liberty Dollar coins; of issuing and passing Liberty Dollar coins intended for use as current money; and of conspiracy against the United States."
"STATESVILLE, NC—Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted today by a federal jury of making, possessing, and selling his own coins, announced Anne M. Tompkins, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina. Following an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation, von NotHaus, the founder and monetary architect of a currency known as the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty by a jury in Statesville, North Carolina, of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins; of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing Liberty Dollar coins; of issuing and passing Liberty Dollar coins intended for use as current money; and of conspiracy against the United States."
Posted by: x11b1p at April 13, 2011 08:18 PM (nVLlM)
126
This is why all this Rah Rah Republicans Good, The Other Guys Bad
chaps my ass. They're all The Other Guys. Two faces of the same elite.
chaps my ass. They're all The Other Guys. Two faces of the same elite.
Posted by: Beto at April 13, 2011 08:19 PM (H+LJc)
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"over the next decade"
What a joke. These ten year, twelve year, twenty year projections are an insult.
There's a saying in economics when you discuss short-run and long-run theories.
"In the long run...we're all dead."
-- John Maynard Keynes
"over the next decade"
What a joke. These ten year, twelve year, twenty year projections are an insult.
There's a saying in economics when you discuss short-run and long-run theories.
"In the long run...we're all dead."
-- John Maynard Keynes
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:19 PM (UQjUb)
128
123 Yep.Any country is 3 missed meals away from a revolution.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:19 PM (wbQ8+)
129
Oh really? Unlike certain other Republican pussies I
can think of, Tim Pawlenty shut down the government rather than accept a
shitty deal from Democrats.Twice.Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (NjYDy)
Seriously, I don't give a fuck how "unexciting" Pawlenty and Daniels are, they seem to be the only two that take fiscal matter seriously. I can't believe Boehner and Cantor are going after him, boggles my mind.
can think of, Tim Pawlenty shut down the government rather than accept a
shitty deal from Democrats.Twice.Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (NjYDy)
Seriously, I don't give a fuck how "unexciting" Pawlenty and Daniels are, they seem to be the only two that take fiscal matter seriously. I can't believe Boehner and Cantor are going after him, boggles my mind.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:21 PM (GZitp)
130
Stupid, stupid "emoticon" javascript.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 08:21 PM (QR9PP)
131
It would really fucking help if you morons tried to
understand the how the system actually works.You known, the facts and
shit like that?
Posted by: ghostcat
Illuminate us.
It would really fucking help if you morons tried to
understand the how the system actually works.You known, the facts and
shit like that?
Posted by: ghostcat
Illuminate us.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:21 PM (g73jP)
132
We knew where Obama and the useless D's were on this we THOUGHT the House understood the severity of the situation.Some of them do of course but the majority gave us this.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:21 PM (wbQ8+)
133
@102
I agree Jeff about Pawlenty. At this point, I perosnallythinkour best ticket is probably Palin/Pawlenty. Palin gets to play bad cop and go after Obama hard win or lose, Pawlenty gets to play good cop as VP and be her rhetorical and political backup to assure some of the indy's of a competent administration.
@102
I agree Jeff about Pawlenty. At this point, I perosnallythinkour best ticket is probably Palin/Pawlenty. Palin gets to play bad cop and go after Obama hard win or lose, Pawlenty gets to play good cop as VP and be her rhetorical and political backup to assure some of the indy's of a competent administration.
Posted by: Nate at April 13, 2011 08:22 PM (BBlzg)
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Posted by: Steph, Sith apprentice on bended knee at April 13, 2011 08:14 PM (AkdC5)
I saw your last post on the other thread, you're hired.
I saw your last post on the other thread, you're hired.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:22 PM (bxiXv)
135
RESPECT HIS TAN!
Posted by: SPEAKER BONER'S OFFICE! at April 13, 2011 08:22 PM (xEXzN)
136
113 hello, did you call me?
see, we do exist after all
Sure you do, but your type is as rare as an "honest" lawyer,.
/Ah, I'm just joshin'.
see, we do exist after all
Sure you do, but your type is as rare as an "honest" lawyer,
./Ah, I'm just joshin'.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 13, 2011 08:23 PM (c0A3e)
137
131 Illuminate us.
you canbuild a soothsayer a fire..............
i always want to steal that phrase and use it
you canbuild a soothsayer a fire..............
i always want to steal that phrase and use it
Posted by: navycopjoe at April 13, 2011 08:23 PM (EOu3d)
138
The only way this shit is going to stop is if somebody creates a competing currency. I'm absolutely serious.
18 year old Swedish blondes. Priced by the cup size.
18 year old Swedish blondes. Priced by the cup size.
Posted by: George Orwell at April 13, 2011 08:23 PM (+vkOU)
139
Like he was an agent for the U.S. Mint?
You can legally make silver coins, many large dealers do. This guy made them look like Liberty Silver Dollars and even printed "1 dollar" on it. So thats where he went wrong.
You can legally make silver coins, many large dealers do. This guy made them look like Liberty Silver Dollars and even printed "1 dollar" on it. So thats where he went wrong.
Posted by: Snow White at April 13, 2011 08:24 PM (Z1jiu)
140
18 year old Swedish blondes. Priced by the cup
size.
Posted by: George Orwell at April 13, 2011 08:23 PM (+vkOU)
IN!
size.
Posted by: George Orwell at April 13, 2011 08:23 PM (+vkOU)
IN!
Posted by: Crabby Appleton at April 13, 2011 08:24 PM (xEXzN)
141
If I buy a $100 item when it's on sale at 20% off, I didn't save $20, that $20 does not appear in my checking account, but $80 does go out. I can, however, acquire a pitchfork for no cash outlay, it's just a short walk down to the barn. If I dig around a bit I can probably find a sharpening stone, too.
Posted by: Retread at April 13, 2011 08:17 PM (okCHU)
Jeebus, that isn't what they did.
What they did is say you know that new car I told you you could buy and I would make the payments. Well you can't buy it now.
Posted by: Retread at April 13, 2011 08:17 PM (okCHU)
Jeebus, that isn't what they did.
What they did is say you know that new car I told you you could buy and I would make the payments. Well you can't buy it now.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 08:24 PM (MtwBb)
142
Seriously, I don't give a fuck how "unexciting"
Pawlenty and Daniels are, they seem to be the only two that take fiscal
matter seriously.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:21 PM (GZitp)
Hahaha hahaha hahaha
(breath)
Hahaha hahaha hahahaha!
Pawlenty, Daniels, Huck, and Mitt: Like handing an anchor to a drowning man.
Save us, RINO-wan-Kenobi!
Pawlenty and Daniels are, they seem to be the only two that take fiscal
matter seriously.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:21 PM (GZitp)
Hahaha hahaha hahaha
(breath)
Hahaha hahaha hahahaha!
Pawlenty, Daniels, Huck, and Mitt: Like handing an anchor to a drowning man.
Save us, RINO-wan-Kenobi!
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 08:25 PM (QR9PP)
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Don't mind me, I'll just be sucking on this Drano...
Posted by: amichel at April 13, 2011 08:25 PM (ykXW9)
Posted by: antisocialist at April 13, 2011 08:25 PM (Rwudm)
Posted by: Beto at April 13, 2011 08:25 PM (H+LJc)
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136 but your type is as rare as an "honest" lawyer
whoa, my wife is one of those
and my girl owns a macbook pro and an alienware
WE ARE A HOUSE OF FREAKS!!!!!!
whoa, my wife is one of those
and my girl owns a macbook pro and an alienware
WE ARE A HOUSE OF FREAKS!!!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe at April 13, 2011 08:25 PM (EOu3d)
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0T Hey, guess what, motortrend reports the Chinese are poised to buy 35% oF GM. I wonder how President Ho Chi Wong Dong Phooey will feel about the UAW?
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:26 PM (cDRYC)
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fuckit
If we can't beat 'em, join 'em. I think I'm starting to understand the logic of Washington D.C.
fuckit
If we can't beat 'em, join 'em. I think I'm starting to understand the logic of Washington D.C.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:27 PM (g73jP)
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Let's nominate McCain again! It's probably still his turn. Besides, he knows how to cut a deal and work with the Democrats!
Posted by: Kensington at April 13, 2011 08:27 PM (mEyVv)
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So Boehner lives in Namby-pamby land if he believes this crap.
Posted by: CDR M at April 13, 2011 08:27 PM (5I8G0)
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check it out:
If I douse myself with a gasoline and light myself on fire, chances are I won't catch frostbite.
check it out:
If I douse myself with a gasoline and light myself on fire, chances are I won't catch frostbite.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (g73jP)
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>>Pawlenty, Daniels, Huck, and Mitt: Like handing an anchor to a drowning man.>>Save us, RINO-wan-Kenobi!
Nobody here is endorsing Mitt or Huckabee, K~Bob. They're unelectable IMO. Who is your preferred candidate, then?
Nobody here is endorsing Mitt or Huckabee, K~Bob. They're unelectable IMO. Who is your preferred candidate, then?
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (NjYDy)
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Boehner is still playing by the Dims rules.
Someone needs to tell him he won. Now, put on your big boy pants and get in their faces. Draw up a budget that actually cuts the deficit by trillions and every time Reid or Obama open their mouth, blame them for the consequences. Do not stop. Tell Americans that those two are solely responsible for the failure to get the economy going by their insistence on raising taxes and regulations. Hell, even blame the Botox Bozo too. She bears as much responsibility as Reid for the mess we're in.
Keep pounding the message home that we're in this shit as a direct result of the 111th Congress and Obama.
Do. Not. Stop.
Someone needs to tell him he won. Now, put on your big boy pants and get in their faces. Draw up a budget that actually cuts the deficit by trillions and every time Reid or Obama open their mouth, blame them for the consequences. Do not stop. Tell Americans that those two are solely responsible for the failure to get the economy going by their insistence on raising taxes and regulations. Hell, even blame the Botox Bozo too. She bears as much responsibility as Reid for the mess we're in.
Keep pounding the message home that we're in this shit as a direct result of the 111th Congress and Obama.
Do. Not. Stop.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (d0Tfm)
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This is stupid. The leftist media machine pumps out some bullshit to sow discord amongst conservatives and you buy it hook line and sinker. Wake up. Those extra billions would have been spent. That's the best they could do for now. We will just have to work that much harder to make sure we control more of the government after 2012.
Posted by: oleg at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (/IuX+)
Posted by: melvin at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (3OCZw)
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Hey, guess what, motortrend reports the Chinese are
poised to buy 35% oF GM.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:26 PM (cDRYC)
LOL. Fuck it. Sell them 100% of that crappy company. This might be the signal that China is about to take a dump, just as the Japanese buying Rockefeller Center (for a ridiculous price) signaled the end of the Japanese economy.
poised to buy 35% oF GM.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:26 PM (cDRYC)
LOL. Fuck it. Sell them 100% of that crappy company. This might be the signal that China is about to take a dump, just as the Japanese buying Rockefeller Center (for a ridiculous price) signaled the end of the Japanese economy.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (G/MYk)
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You know how quickly a city runs out of food if there are no deliveries?
Damned fast.
I know in a Super Walmart, roughly 90% of general merchandise and grocery stock on site is out on the floor. Their retail outlets are pretty close (but not quite) JIT delivery from the distribution centers. Each store typically has several 40' semis arrive every single day.
The "back room" in most retail outlets these days is pretty small.
Damned fast.
I know in a Super Walmart, roughly 90% of general merchandise and grocery stock on site is out on the floor. Their retail outlets are pretty close (but not quite) JIT delivery from the distribution centers. Each store typically has several 40' semis arrive every single day.
The "back room" in most retail outlets these days is pretty small.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (4mM9e)
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147
0T Hey, guess what, motortrend reports the Chinese are poised to buy 35%
oF GM. I wonder how President Ho Chi Wong Dong Phooey will feel about
the UAW?
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:26 PM (cDRYC)
Nice lide. Prease to fix steering wheer.
0T Hey, guess what, motortrend reports the Chinese are poised to buy 35%
oF GM. I wonder how President Ho Chi Wong Dong Phooey will feel about
the UAW?
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:26 PM (cDRYC)
Nice lide. Prease to fix steering wheer.
Posted by: President of ChiCom-istan at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (QR9PP)
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Seriously, that blog by Boehner (or his "people") makes me twitchy.
Posted by: Geronimo at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (KVI8B)
Posted by: Barack "You Are So Boned" Obama at April 13, 2011 08:29 PM (vbh31)
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I have no money, owe these buffoons money.
They are going to tell me they reduced funding for high speed rail.
Well hey! Let's have a fucking party!
I'm going to smoke some banana peels so I can think just like John Boehner, get inside the dude's suit, take a toke, enjoy the buzz.
I have no money, owe these buffoons money.
They are going to tell me they reduced funding for high speed rail.
Well hey! Let's have a fucking party!
I'm going to smoke some banana peels so I can think just like John Boehner, get inside the dude's suit, take a toke, enjoy the buzz.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at April 13, 2011 08:29 PM (s5aNX)
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Yeah, this poll (even skewered like they are) tells a lot:
Americans actually think the tax they pay is fair
Not that they're cheering. Fewer people expect refunds this year than
in previous years, a new Associated Press-GfK poll shows. But as
Monday's filing deadline approaches, the poll shows that 54 percent
believe their tax bills are either somewhat fair or very fair, compared
with 46 percent who say they are unfair.
Should taxes be raised to eat into huge federal deficits? Among the
public, 62 percent say they favor cutting government services to sop up
the red ink. Just 29 percent say raise taxes.
That's sure to be a major issue as Congress takes up budget
legislation for next year and the 2012 presidential campaign gets under
way in earnest. On Wednesday, President Barack Obama revived his
proposal to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans to help reduce
government borrowing.
In the poll, Democrats were more likely than Republicans to think
their tax bills were fair. Liberals and moderates were more likely to
think so than conservatives. Women more likely than men. Most whites
thought their tax bills were fair; most nonwhites didn't.
...
Sandra Jennings, a retired teacher in South Bend, Ind., said her
federal taxes are fair, but she thinks rich people get off too easily.
Rich people, she said in an interview, "get all these loopholes. The
middle class does not have loopholes."
Mari Lemelson of Edison, N.J., said, "I have a big problem with the
millionaires, at least what I understand to be the millionaires' tax
breaks."
...Ultimately, about 85 percent of individual returns qualified for refunds
last year, totaling about $360 billion. The refunds averaged $3,000,
about the same amount as so far this year.
Americans actually think the tax they pay is fair
Not that they're cheering. Fewer people expect refunds this year than
in previous years, a new Associated Press-GfK poll shows. But as
Monday's filing deadline approaches, the poll shows that 54 percent
believe their tax bills are either somewhat fair or very fair, compared
with 46 percent who say they are unfair.
Should taxes be raised to eat into huge federal deficits? Among the
public, 62 percent say they favor cutting government services to sop up
the red ink. Just 29 percent say raise taxes.
That's sure to be a major issue as Congress takes up budget
legislation for next year and the 2012 presidential campaign gets under
way in earnest. On Wednesday, President Barack Obama revived his
proposal to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans to help reduce
government borrowing.
In the poll, Democrats were more likely than Republicans to think
their tax bills were fair. Liberals and moderates were more likely to
think so than conservatives. Women more likely than men. Most whites
thought their tax bills were fair; most nonwhites didn't.
...
Sandra Jennings, a retired teacher in South Bend, Ind., said her
federal taxes are fair, but she thinks rich people get off too easily.
Rich people, she said in an interview, "get all these loopholes. The
middle class does not have loopholes."
Mari Lemelson of Edison, N.J., said, "I have a big problem with the
millionaires, at least what I understand to be the millionaires' tax
breaks."
...Ultimately, about 85 percent of individual returns qualified for refunds
last year, totaling about $360 billion. The refunds averaged $3,000,
about the same amount as so far this year.
Posted by: momma at April 13, 2011 08:29 PM (penCf)
Posted by: Monkey's Uncle at April 13, 2011 08:30 PM (JEvSn)
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That's the best they could do for now.
Posted by: oleg at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (/IuX+)
Bullshit. And, frankly, you're being intellectually offensive for even thinking that anyone would buy such obviously stupid drivel.
Posted by: oleg at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (/IuX+)
Bullshit. And, frankly, you're being intellectually offensive for even thinking that anyone would buy such obviously stupid drivel.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 08:30 PM (G/MYk)
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If by compound he means compound intrest, don't you acatually need money in the bank to get that? Unless of course he is using the Dem trick about money we saved by not paying intrest on the money we didn't barrow. Good Christ I got confused writing that.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:30 PM (cDRYC)
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157 Yep.I think we will be finding out exactly how long it takes,perhaps this summer.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 08:31 PM (wbQ8+)
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Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 08:25 PM (QR9PP)
Fuck you and your goddamn Palin worshiping. You care about about this countries fiscals problems as much as the GOP congressional leadership, only you're just a political cheerleader for your favorite politician. Try something different and look at how Daniels and Pawlenty actually "governed". You know, the thing that matters.
Fuck you and your goddamn Palin worshiping. You care about about this countries fiscals problems as much as the GOP congressional leadership, only you're just a political cheerleader for your favorite politician. Try something different and look at how Daniels and Pawlenty actually "governed". You know, the thing that matters.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:31 PM (GZitp)
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I saw a report a couple of months ago, it is 2 weeks maximum until the stores are totally empty if there is a supply chain interruption.
So plan well my friends, plan well.
So plan well my friends, plan well.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 08:31 PM (Z1jiu)
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160
Let's nominate McCain again!
Stellar
idea!
Posted by: Barack "You Are So Boned" Obama at April 13, 2011 08:29 PM
(vbh31)
H8RS!!!
Let's nominate McCain again!
Stellar
idea!
Posted by: Barack "You Are So Boned" Obama at April 13, 2011 08:29 PM
(vbh31)
H8RS!!!
Posted by: Meggy MacNcheese at April 13, 2011 08:32 PM (xEXzN)
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Jennifer Rubin is not amused by the ingratitude you extremist nay-sayers exhibit. Don't you know the tears of John Boehner are the closest thing to the Elixir of Life?
Posted by: George Orwell at April 13, 2011 08:32 PM (+vkOU)
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FYNQ
Posted by: John Boehner at April 13, 2011 08:32 PM (zgZzy)
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Bob Dole thinks this is a problem only someone like Bob Dole can solve.
Posted by: Bob Dole's pen at April 13, 2011 08:32 PM (+vkOU)
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I don't believe I've ever felt this devastated . what's going to happen to the childrens immediate future. what legal recourse do we have here. can we vote them all out? do we even have enough time.
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:32 PM (h+qn8)
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What was the best, the $38B or the $350M? What if tomorrow it changes to +$500M, will it still be the "best" they could do?
We will just have to work that
much harder to make sure we control more of the government after 2012.
No, thanks anyway.
We will just have to work that
much harder to make sure we control more of the government after 2012.
Nope.
We will just have to work that
much harder to make sure we control more of the government after 2012.
Fuck that.
What was the best, the $38B or the $350M? What if tomorrow it changes to +$500M, will it still be the "best" they could do?
We will just have to work that
much harder to make sure we control more of the government after 2012.
No, thanks anyway.
We will just have to work that
much harder to make sure we control more of the government after 2012.
Nope.
We will just have to work that
much harder to make sure we control more of the government after 2012.
Fuck that.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:33 PM (UQjUb)
Posted by: M. Daniels at April 13, 2011 08:33 PM (ksrB3)
Posted by: North East Rubepublican at April 13, 2011 08:33 PM (H+LJc)
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Here, Jeff B.:
Palin, Bachmann, DeMint, West, Cain, Rubio (not so much).
Not necessarily in any order. Depends on who I favor when I get the ballot.
I wouldn't vote for Daniels or T-Paw with the dead from your state.
I absolutely will not join the suicide pact bunch voting "anyone but Obama". The choice over "how fast we go over the cliff" is dick-brained stupid.
Vote for someone who'll turn the damned thing around, or own the ashes.
Palin, Bachmann, DeMint, West, Cain, Rubio (not so much).
Not necessarily in any order. Depends on who I favor when I get the ballot.
I wouldn't vote for Daniels or T-Paw with the dead from your state.
I absolutely will not join the suicide pact bunch voting "anyone but Obama". The choice over "how fast we go over the cliff" is dick-brained stupid.
Vote for someone who'll turn the damned thing around, or own the ashes.
Posted by: President of ChiCom-istan at April 13, 2011 08:33 PM (QR9PP)
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Why should I think millionaires taxes are unfair? The problem is that it goes to a government that pisses it down the shitter.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 08:33 PM (MMC8r)
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What's going on? My rape-sense tells me there are Morons in distress.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Rapist at April 13, 2011 08:33 PM (Y0wFY)
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I can see his nose from up here!
Posted by: Mitt Romney's hair at April 13, 2011 08:34 PM (+vkOU)
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169
I saw a report a couple of months ago, it is 2 weeks maximum until the
stores are totally empty if there is a supply chain interruption.So plan well my friends, plan well.
That is a sobering thought, one I had while I was reading "One Second After".
Oh, and OT - Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood: We Could Win 75% of Parliamentary Seats in September Elections if We Wanted to…
/How's that Egyptian "democracy" working out for you, Barrack?
I saw a report a couple of months ago, it is 2 weeks maximum until the
stores are totally empty if there is a supply chain interruption.So plan well my friends, plan well.
That is a sobering thought, one I had while I was reading "One Second After".
Oh, and OT - Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood: We Could Win 75% of Parliamentary Seats in September Elections if We Wanted to…
/How's that Egyptian "democracy" working out for you, Barrack?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 13, 2011 08:34 PM (c0A3e)
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I always assumed Obama would choose to kick that financial can down the road, I just never expected Boehner to hold the can for him. Ok...that's a bit of a lie, I didn't expect him to hold it so enthusiastically.
The ball's in your court, Republicans.
The ball's in your court, Republicans.
Posted by: DngrMse at April 13, 2011 08:34 PM (aaW0M)
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So Boehner lives in Namby-pamby land if he believes this crap.
Posted by: CDR M at April 13, 2011 08:27 PM (5I8G0)
Would you be saying that if instead of cutting pell grants he cut an air wing and said go park it in the desert and fire everybody? He cut money that was going to be spent, it isn't now.
I don't understand what people don't understand about that.
Ace is ragging about the high speed trains, I've go news for you ace. The CBO didn't even give us credit for the $1.5Billion that was cut, because it wasn't going to be spent this fucking year. Now it won't be spent at all but somehow that really isn't a cut to you people.
Posted by: CDR M at April 13, 2011 08:27 PM (5I8G0)
Would you be saying that if instead of cutting pell grants he cut an air wing and said go park it in the desert and fire everybody? He cut money that was going to be spent, it isn't now.
I don't understand what people don't understand about that.
Ace is ragging about the high speed trains, I've go news for you ace. The CBO didn't even give us credit for the $1.5Billion that was cut, because it wasn't going to be spent this fucking year. Now it won't be spent at all but somehow that really isn't a cut to you people.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 08:34 PM (MtwBb)
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2 weeks maximum until the stores are totally empty if there is a supply chain interruption.
Which reminds me, I need to restock my non-perishable hurricane provisions stash.
Which reminds me, I need to restock my non-perishable hurricane provisions stash.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 08:34 PM (4mM9e)
185
Try something different and look at how Daniels and Pawlenty actually "governed". You know, the thing that matters.
I don't like Christie in New Jersey. He always attacks my good friends across the aisle.
I don't like Christie in New Jersey. He always attacks my good friends across the aisle.
Posted by: John Boehner, Idiot at April 13, 2011 08:34 PM (zgZzy)
186
So Boehner loses the NRO, Hannity, and Eric Ericson in one afternoon?
That has to be some kind of record for someone in GOP leadership.
That has to be some kind of record for someone in GOP leadership.
Posted by: Doc at April 13, 2011 08:35 PM (jGXQI)
187
That cliff with the really pointy rocks at the bottom?
Yes, we will get serious eventually. Seriousness will be imposed upon us.
Yes, we will get serious eventually. Seriousness will be imposed upon us.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 13, 2011 08:35 PM (gDbxE)
188
None of this 'saves billions of dollars over 10, 12, 15years' ever makes a damn bit of sense because no political coalition stays in power that long.
The other side comes in, spends on their own programs, leaves a mess, then plans their 'deficit reduction' which is abandoned when power changes again.
The whole thing is a fucking joke.
None of this 'saves billions of dollars over 10, 12, 15years' ever makes a damn bit of sense because no political coalition stays in power that long.
The other side comes in, spends on their own programs, leaves a mess, then plans their 'deficit reduction' which is abandoned when power changes again.
The whole thing is a fucking joke.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:35 PM (VoSja)
189
I thought the People US now owned GM? what webail them out pay their pensions and ..what?
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:35 PM (h+qn8)
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The "back room" in most retail outlets these days is pretty small.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (4mM9e)
And the employees are expected to hustle that shit to the floor as fast as they can because the turnaround in right now.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 08:28 PM (4mM9e)
And the employees are expected to hustle that shit to the floor as fast as they can because the turnaround in right now.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 08:36 PM (OgDRw)
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Can the Tea Party newbies offer amendments to the deal before the vote i.e. an additional $100B or more? Take away Zero's trains and windmills? Would drive crybaby crazy but its worth a try.
Posted by: The undead at April 13, 2011 08:36 PM (TgWnA)
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What's going on? My rape-sense tells me there are Morons in distress.
Use your Rape-Vision, Empire Of Jeffman! Leap tall deficits with a single blow!
Shave Barry's pinhead and he would rather look like an anorexic Lex Luthor.
Use your Rape-Vision, Empire Of Jeffman! Leap tall deficits with a single blow!
Shave Barry's pinhead and he would rather look like an anorexic Lex Luthor.
Posted by: George Orwell at April 13, 2011 08:36 PM (+vkOU)
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lowandslow,
"worshiping" is a dick-brained accusation. You accept why people want who they want, or you invent stupid accusations and look like a putz.
If a man tells me he wants Daniels because he has the right ideas, I don't accuse him of "worshiping" the man. I just deal with his arguments as stated.
Grow the fuck up.
"worshiping" is a dick-brained accusation. You accept why people want who they want, or you invent stupid accusations and look like a putz.
If a man tells me he wants Daniels because he has the right ideas, I don't accuse him of "worshiping" the man. I just deal with his arguments as stated.
Grow the fuck up.
Posted by: President of ChiCom-istan at April 13, 2011 08:36 PM (QR9PP)
194
I'm sure this would all be better if the Republicans had the White House, 60 Senate seats, a 100 seat majority in the House, all major Courts, the media, 75% approval ratings, a roaring economy, world peace, no hunger, and kittens pouncing over fields of lollipops in 2012.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:37 PM (VoSja)
195
"So Boehner loses the NRO, Hannity, and Eric Ericson in one afternoon?
That has to be some kind of record for someone in GOP leadership."
I never thought anyone could break Michale Steele's land speed record.
That has to be some kind of record for someone in GOP leadership."
I never thought anyone could break Michale Steele's land speed record.
Posted by: x11b1p at April 13, 2011 08:37 PM (nVLlM)
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>>Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:31 PM (GZitp)
Ah. I didn't realize he was a Palin guy. I guess that explains the weirdly out-of-nowhere hostility to Pawlenty, who's been on the fucking money over the past few months on these issues if you ask me.
Notice how no other GOP candidates have come out against this deal? Where's Newt? Mitt? Bachmann? Palin, even? All I see is T-Paw actually voicing our anger here. And he has the history to suggest it's authentic: he shut the whole fucking state of Minnesota down TWICE rather than eat the shit sandwich Democrats in the legislature tried to serve him. So right now he's my guy. Drop the stupid "Global Warming" crap -- unlike every other politician who's said or done a dumb thing in the past (and they all have) he's come out and admitted he was an idiot, like a man should, instead of pulling a Mitt Romney squishball excuse-fest. Even that's something worth respecting.
I'm looking for something to salvage in our 2012 lineup of candidates, and Pawlenty is pretty much the one guy I can get behind right now (especially if Daniels doesn't run). Palin? She isn't even running, for god's sake.
Ah. I didn't realize he was a Palin guy. I guess that explains the weirdly out-of-nowhere hostility to Pawlenty, who's been on the fucking money over the past few months on these issues if you ask me.
Notice how no other GOP candidates have come out against this deal? Where's Newt? Mitt? Bachmann? Palin, even? All I see is T-Paw actually voicing our anger here. And he has the history to suggest it's authentic: he shut the whole fucking state of Minnesota down TWICE rather than eat the shit sandwich Democrats in the legislature tried to serve him. So right now he's my guy. Drop the stupid "Global Warming" crap -- unlike every other politician who's said or done a dumb thing in the past (and they all have) he's come out and admitted he was an idiot, like a man should, instead of pulling a Mitt Romney squishball excuse-fest. Even that's something worth respecting.
I'm looking for something to salvage in our 2012 lineup of candidates, and Pawlenty is pretty much the one guy I can get behind right now (especially if Daniels doesn't run). Palin? She isn't even running, for god's sake.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:38 PM (NjYDy)
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168, Hey, don't forget to fuck me and my Palin worshipping too. Pawlenty fell for the green energy shit then tries to backpeddle, fuck him. Daniels is a policy wonk with 0 personality, you need personality to get the big chair. Palin Governed just fine until the Dems attempts at destroying and bankrupting her. She then stepped aside for the good of her state. That's called selflessness. It's a GOOD quality. Sarah is my Queen and will be defended.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:38 PM (cDRYC)
198
There. I used the grabber.
Posted by: K~Bob can't reach his fucking feet to remove the sock at April 13, 2011 08:38 PM (QR9PP)
199
I saw in the sidebar that NRO has backtracked from Boehner's deal. Anyone hear/read Jennifer Rubin's explanation. I cannot wait to read what she says.
Posted by: Trish at April 13, 2011 08:39 PM (yqhkv)
200
I have decided I will vote for this guy if he keeps fighting. God knows he has his faults and I've disagreed with him on certain things but he appears to be honest, hard-working, sincere, and someone who still has a conscience (among other things).
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 08:39 PM (uVLrI)
Posted by: Beto at April 13, 2011 08:39 PM (H+LJc)
202
To lighten things:
In Yemen, why can't they teach sex ed and driver's ed on the same day?
highlight for answer
The camels get too tired.
In Yemen, why can't they teach sex ed and driver's ed on the same day?
highlight for answer
The camels get too tired.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 08:39 PM (hr4/M)
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That cliff with the really pointy rocks at the bottom?Yes, we will get serious eventually. Seriousness will be imposed upon us.
Well phrased.
Well phrased.
Posted by: numerically fluffy at April 13, 2011 08:39 PM (SwkdU)
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"Republican committee chairmen like Lungren, Appropriations chief Hal
Rogers (R-Ky.) and Jo Bonner (Ala.) made a rare stand alongside
Democrats, while Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), a former chairman of the GOP
conference, spoke in strong support of the measure."
Hey Ace, please explain to me again why its ok to let the RINOs win so the Rs will have a majority. Tell me again how 51 R senators would have solved this problem.
Rogers (R-Ky.) and Jo Bonner (Ala.) made a rare stand alongside
Democrats, while Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), a former chairman of the GOP
conference, spoke in strong support of the measure."
Hey Ace, please explain to me again why its ok to let the RINOs win so the Rs will have a majority. Tell me again how 51 R senators would have solved this problem.
Posted by: Long John Silver at April 13, 2011 08:40 PM (onxiv)
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What they did is say you know that new car I told you you could buy and I would make the payments. Well you can't buy it now. But you get to keep the money I already gave you and buy booze or something... or a new car... just not the one I told you to buy. YOUR FREE! Spend it on coke and whores, I don't care!
FIFY.
FIFY.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:40 PM (SwWT6)
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you need personality to get the big chair
*cough* Nixon *cough*
Although when Tricky was doing it, the broadcast media was a completely different animal.
*cough* Nixon *cough*
Although when Tricky was doing it, the broadcast media was a completely different animal.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 08:40 PM (4mM9e)
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I'm sure this would all be better if the Republicans had the White House, 60 Senate seats, a 100 seat majority in the House, all major Courts, the media, 75% approval ratings, a roaring economy, world peace, no hunger, and kittens pouncing over fields of lollipops in 2012.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:37 PM (VoSja)
I'm not sure unless you could make that happen within 3 months on the job that most people here today wouldn't be screaming for your throat.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:37 PM (VoSja)
I'm not sure unless you could make that happen within 3 months on the job that most people here today wouldn't be screaming for your throat.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 08:40 PM (MtwBb)
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If the best America can do is that pitiful populist, Palin. We are well and truly screwed.
Whew! I'm glad I'm not in the hot seat any longer!
If the best America can do is that pitiful populist, Palin. We are well and truly screwed.
Whew! I'm glad I'm not in the hot seat any longer!
Posted by: B Obama at April 13, 2011 08:40 PM (aaW0M)
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#196
Boehner lost all of us first.
The rage bolied up from the grassroots. NRO lauded Boehner at first, then was confused, then irritated. They praise Republicans as a reflex, and it takes pressure to see fault. Same with Hannity. Ericson was a bit more unsure from the start.
#196
Boehner lost all of us first.
The rage bolied up from the grassroots. NRO lauded Boehner at first, then was confused, then irritated. They praise Republicans as a reflex, and it takes pressure to see fault. Same with Hannity. Ericson was a bit more unsure from the start.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:41 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:41 PM (UQjUb)
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Hey Ace, please explain to me again why its ok to let the RINOs win so the Rs will have a majority. Tell me again how 51 R senators would have solved this problem.
Newfound respect for Jim DeMint?
The man is in the Senate, he sees how they do business, and he's one of the only honest one's in the lot.
Newfound respect for Jim DeMint?
The man is in the Senate, he sees how they do business, and he's one of the only honest one's in the lot.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:41 PM (SwWT6)
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what there are Pawlentybots in here?
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:41 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: John Boehner, Idiot at April 13, 2011 08:41 PM (zgZzy)
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Squeaker Boehner, the Weeping Wonder, has to be forced to step down from the leadership. If that doesn't happen then there's nothing worth talking about, anymore. It's not about running a primary opponent against the crybaby. It's about getting him out of power, now, because he sucks donkey dick in that position.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 08:41 PM (G/MYk)
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Let the Palin Thunderdome redux begin!
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (vbh31)
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If you guys need me I'll be over here pontificating to myself.
Posted by: Seethsewer at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (o7RZ/)
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Grow the fuck up? Hey I'm not the one that spends every waking hour combing the internet waiting to find any favorable mention of some other Presidential hopeful then piss all over it while at the same time defending any perceived slight against Palin for hours on end.
No, these people worship her.
No, these people worship her.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (UQjUb)
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Entropy yeah he's good, demint , ryan, bolton, west . who else?
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (h+qn8)
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1. The Republicans didn't push hard enough on the budget.
2. The Republicans didn't use enough harsh rhetoric - in other words, they didn't and aren't accurately describe how badly the Dems are fucking everyone and have been for years.
3. Republicans are backstabbers.
Don't cheer at #3 just yet, I'm talking about the base as well as the politicians. Look at how fast everyone turns on anyone who looks like they're not doing enough or doing it right.
I blame them for the fuckups, but I don't know if I can blame them for ignoring the base, if the base keeps turning on them. Connected problems.
Yeah, we probably need to cycle a lot more of them out. I hope we do.
Y'all just seem to despair a little bit too quickly.
Yes, demand more. Frequently. But the whole it's over/staying home thing won't help.
2. The Republicans didn't use enough harsh rhetoric - in other words, they didn't and aren't accurately describe how badly the Dems are fucking everyone and have been for years.
3. Republicans are backstabbers.
Don't cheer at #3 just yet, I'm talking about the base as well as the politicians. Look at how fast everyone turns on anyone who looks like they're not doing enough or doing it right.
I blame them for the fuckups, but I don't know if I can blame them for ignoring the base, if the base keeps turning on them. Connected problems.
Yeah, we probably need to cycle a lot more of them out. I hope we do.
Y'all just seem to despair a little bit too quickly.
Yes, demand more. Frequently. But the whole it's over/staying home thing won't help.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (bxiXv)
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"weirdly out-of-nowhere hostility to Pawlenty, who's been on the fucking
money over the past few months on these issues if you ask me."
I've been against Mr. Global Warming since he got on that gravy train. So it isn't weird, or out-of-nowhere. The man is on the same pile of retreads as Romney, Huck, Rudy, Daniels, and Gingrich.
Has jack shzt to do with Palin.
money over the past few months on these issues if you ask me."
I've been against Mr. Global Warming since he got on that gravy train. So it isn't weird, or out-of-nowhere. The man is on the same pile of retreads as Romney, Huck, Rudy, Daniels, and Gingrich.
Has jack shzt to do with Palin.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 08:43 PM (QR9PP)
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#208
Probably true to an extent, and it is always good to remember that our political system is purposefully designed for conflict and veto points.
That said, the spending cuts are absolutely pathetic, and the people who promised more (see Boehner) also knew how the political system works. The level of cynicism and opportunism among Republican political leaders is astounding.
#208
Probably true to an extent, and it is always good to remember that our political system is purposefully designed for conflict and veto points.
That said, the spending cuts are absolutely pathetic, and the people who promised more (see Boehner) also knew how the political system works. The level of cynicism and opportunism among Republican political leaders is astounding.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:43 PM (VoSja)
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By all means, let's start stabbing each other in the eye over our possible future leaders when we're being stabbed in the fucking back by the feckless crapweasels who are our current leaders.
Geez, morons, get over your butthurt.
Geez, morons, get over your butthurt.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 08:43 PM (MMC8r)
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Flame war in 3,2,...............
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 13, 2011 08:44 PM (npr0X)
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Boehner...has to be forced to step down from the leadership.
Yes, yes, yes!
Anyone as treacherous as he is has some skeletons hiding in the closet somewhere. We gotta find them and make him an offer he can't refuse.
Yes, yes, yes!
Anyone as treacherous as he is has some skeletons hiding in the closet somewhere. We gotta find them and make him an offer he can't refuse.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 13, 2011 08:44 PM (4mM9e)
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202, That is exactly what libtards write. No facts, no genuine opinions just hollow insults from vapid empty heads.
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Hey
Ace, please explain to me again why its ok to let the RINOs win so the
Rs will have a majority. Tell me again how 51 R senators would have
solved this problem.
That story is about another deal entirely.
Hey
Ace, please explain to me again why its ok to let the RINOs win so the
Rs will have a majority. Tell me again how 51 R senators would have
solved this problem.
That story is about another deal entirely.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 08:44 PM (uVLrI)
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@198
Um, at least Pawlenty owned it and apologized for it.
Unlike Boehner who is refusing to admit he messed up on this budget.
Palin has to have a VP, and that person has to be able to push her forward in a general election, not compete with her for popularity. That's why someone like Pawlently on the ticket makes sense as opposed to West or Bachmann or Rubio, etc. He already defended her in front of Katie Couric in a way that no other GOP potential candidate has.
@198
Um, at least Pawlenty owned it and apologized for it.
Unlike Boehner who is refusing to admit he messed up on this budget.
Palin has to have a VP, and that person has to be able to push her forward in a general election, not compete with her for popularity. That's why someone like Pawlently on the ticket makes sense as opposed to West or Bachmann or Rubio, etc. He already defended her in front of Katie Couric in a way that no other GOP potential candidate has.
Posted by: Nate at April 13, 2011 08:44 PM (BBlzg)
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>>Palin, Bachmann, DeMint, West, Cain, Rubio (not so much).
Palin, DeMint, West, and Rubio aren't running.
Cain won't get >5% in a single primary, AND he endorsed outright un-American bigotry (the religious test) in that stupid self-defeating interview he gave to ThinkProgress, of all people (hint: never give an interview to ThinkProgress).
Bachmann might actually go somewhere in the primaries, but I could never vote for her having worked with her throughout the years. You can feel free to think different.
So basically, you're saying it's Bachmann or bust? Let's get down to brass tacks here, K-Bob. She's the only remotely semi-plausible person you named that you will have the chance to vote for in a primary (unless you live in Iowa, I guess, where the field hasn't yet winnowed). So are you saying that unless Michele Bachmann is the nominee, you'll vote to reelect Barack Obama? I just want to understand the logic that would prefer Barack Obama to a conservative budget cutter like Pawlenty or Daniels. Oh wait, it's because their 'wimpy' or something.
Palin, DeMint, West, and Rubio aren't running.
Cain won't get >5% in a single primary, AND he endorsed outright un-American bigotry (the religious test) in that stupid self-defeating interview he gave to ThinkProgress, of all people (hint: never give an interview to ThinkProgress).
Bachmann might actually go somewhere in the primaries, but I could never vote for her having worked with her throughout the years. You can feel free to think different.
So basically, you're saying it's Bachmann or bust? Let's get down to brass tacks here, K-Bob. She's the only remotely semi-plausible person you named that you will have the chance to vote for in a primary (unless you live in Iowa, I guess, where the field hasn't yet winnowed). So are you saying that unless Michele Bachmann is the nominee, you'll vote to reelect Barack Obama? I just want to understand the logic that would prefer Barack Obama to a conservative budget cutter like Pawlenty or Daniels. Oh wait, it's because their 'wimpy' or something.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 13, 2011 08:44 PM (NjYDy)
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Hal fucking Rogers.
That's all I'm gonna say.
If you don't know who he is, then you don't know dick-all about what's going on.
Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 10, 2010 01:24 PM (uFokq)
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Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (g73jP)
Soothsayer,
How do you expect us to suck your dick if you never take your hands off it?
Hal fucking Rogers.
That's all I'm gonna say.
If you don't know who he is, then you don't know dick-all about what's going on.
Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 10, 2010 01:24 PM (uFokq)
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Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 07:45 PM (g73jP)
Soothsayer,
How do you expect us to suck your dick if you never take your hands off it?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Rapist at April 13, 2011 08:44 PM (Y0wFY)
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sooth, i kan runz with scizzors, if it will help square the circle of stuff.
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:44 PM (h+qn8)
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The nice thing is that, with a large majority, going after Boehner, Cantor, Rogers, etc. with primary challenges and if necessary a general election boycott will take care of all of them in one election cycle.
The Tea Party should simply boycott voting for the leadership. We lose six or seven seats, gain a new round of Tea Party candidates, and scare the shit out of the backbenchers.
The Tea Party should simply boycott voting for the leadership. We lose six or seven seats, gain a new round of Tea Party candidates, and scare the shit out of the backbenchers.
Posted by: KB at April 13, 2011 08:45 PM (7FgWm)
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The truth is, this type of bullshit probably would have worked on the majority of Republican voters a decade ago. Politicians are always making promises to their base that can't (or won't) be followed.
Now Republicans have to deal with the new reality of a base (including independent Tea Party voters) who actually knows what is going on and thinks of this as fighting for their lives. The leadership hasn't got the message yet.
The truth is, this type of bullshit probably would have worked on the majority of Republican voters a decade ago. Politicians are always making promises to their base that can't (or won't) be followed.
Now Republicans have to deal with the new reality of a base (including independent Tea Party voters) who actually knows what is going on and thinks of this as fighting for their lives. The leadership hasn't got the message yet.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:46 PM (VoSja)
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let's start stabbing each other in the eye over our possible future leaders when we're being stabbed in the fucking back by the feckless crapweasels who are our current leaders.Geez, morons, get over your butthurt.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 08:43 PM (MMC8r)
you're right.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 08:43 PM (MMC8r)
you're right.
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:46 PM (h+qn8)
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Ok. I was here yesterday saying that we may have been over reacting. I was wrong. This shitburger, even being the historic burger it is in that it finally reduces spending, is still made from shit.
We are ruined. Crap.
We are ruined. Crap.
Posted by: OzJohnnie at April 13, 2011 08:46 PM (RJY0+)
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225 Flame war in 3,2,............... Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 13, 2011 08:44 PM (npr0X)
Dude, you are *days* late!
Dude, you are *days* late!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:47 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Monkey's Uncle at April 13, 2011 08:47 PM (JEvSn)
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Kid: Daddy I'm hungry, we haven't eaten a real meal in days. Oh, and a man came by today and said we have until the end of the week to pack up our things and leave. What are we going to do?
Dad: Let's go to Disney Land!
The part of "kid" was played by the American people. The part of "dad" was played by your fucking government.
Dad: Let's go to Disney Land!
The part of "kid" was played by the American people. The part of "dad" was played by your fucking government.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 13, 2011 08:47 PM (54F2e)
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Grow the fuck up? Hey I'm not the one that spends every waking hour
combing the internet waiting to find any favorable mention of some other
Presidential hopeful then piss all over it while at the same time
defending any perceived slight against Palin for hours on end.
No, these people worship her.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (GZitp)
what a total bullshit accusation. What, you collect freaking stats on all of the folks who comment on politics, then run them thru your atom-splitting mind and come up with this shit?Seriously?
Grow the fuck up? Hey I'm not the one that spends every waking hour
combing the internet waiting to find any favorable mention of some other
Presidential hopeful then piss all over it while at the same time
defending any perceived slight against Palin for hours on end.
No, these people worship her.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (GZitp)
what a total bullshit accusation. What, you collect freaking stats on all of the folks who comment on politics, then run them thru your atom-splitting mind and come up with this shit?Seriously?
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 08:47 PM (QR9PP)
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Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (GZitp)
None of these compromised politicians are the answer.
Put it all in mathematical terms as an algorithm and you'll see it is inevitable unless people who don't owe any favors to anyone get into power and prosecute these criminals.
Right now there is no reason not to break the law on a massive scale because nothing happens to them.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 13, 2011 08:42 PM (GZitp)
None of these compromised politicians are the answer.
Put it all in mathematical terms as an algorithm and you'll see it is inevitable unless people who don't owe any favors to anyone get into power and prosecute these criminals.
Right now there is no reason not to break the law on a massive scale because nothing happens to them.
Posted by: Beto at April 13, 2011 08:47 PM (H+LJc)
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I'm sorry, what non-conservative thing did Palin say? Which policy did she come down on the wrong side of? I must have missed it. You grasp that the dictionary definition contrasts populism with statism? The ordinary american against the "elite"? If so, which elite do you want to form the oligarchy? If you mean she likes to appeal to the people then, ok, as opposed to whom?
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 08:47 PM (hr4/M)
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@222
Your going to have a hard time finding an acceptable running mate for her with that attitude. Rubio and West aren't leaving Florida, Bachmann would compete with her for air time, Jindal probably isn't leaving Louisiana. Pence will run for Governor, Paul Ryan isn't leaving the House.
So since we know that she isn't going to pick one of Romney, Huckabee, or Trump, what does that leave her with?
@222
Your going to have a hard time finding an acceptable running mate for her with that attitude. Rubio and West aren't leaving Florida, Bachmann would compete with her for air time, Jindal probably isn't leaving Louisiana. Pence will run for Governor, Paul Ryan isn't leaving the House.
So since we know that she isn't going to pick one of Romney, Huckabee, or Trump, what does that leave her with?
Posted by: Nate at April 13, 2011 08:48 PM (BBlzg)
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The Hill: As of this hour, the Congressional whip count stands at enough votes to pass. But if enough votes from the noncommittal switch, it's dead. I'm thinking a conference meeting might be held tonight, but who knows. As it is, McCarthy is trying to hold the line on spooked congresscretins who might vote against Ryan's budget because they might loose their seats.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 08:48 PM (uVLrI)
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Whatever you do, don't mention the Civil War! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it!
Posted by: Basil Fawlty at April 13, 2011 08:49 PM (bxiXv)
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Palin, Bachmann, DeMint, West, Cain, Rubio (not so much).
Well since it's a fantasy list, don't forget Rand Paul.
Well since it's a fantasy list, don't forget Rand Paul.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:49 PM (SwWT6)
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Did anyone else ignore that little nervous feeling last October that if we did take back the House this kind of shit would happen? I was amazingly encouraged by the results in November, thinking that the nervous feeling I had was just some old residual hang up from when Rs were all about Amnesty and spending when in the majority previously. Lesson learned!!
Posted by: x11b1p at April 13, 2011 08:49 PM (nVLlM)
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What Boehner did was conspire with the Dems to give it all up in exchange for their help in pulling the wool over the eyes of his base.
And they fucked him over.
He's not just a liar, he's fucking incompetent and he got played like a bitch.
What does he think he's going to accomplish against them next time?
And they fucked him over.
He's not just a liar, he's fucking incompetent and he got played like a bitch.
What does he think he's going to accomplish against them next time?
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 08:49 PM (MMC8r)
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Does anyone else remember when the Tea Party incoming class didn't want to sit on the appropriations committee? I seem to remember reading some things about that months ago.
Rogers and the appropriations members are the first enemy, though the leadership is a very, very close second. If people can't sit on these committees without spending like drunking sailors, they should be removed.
If a Republican can't sit on the committee (or lead the committee) without spending, they are not a conservative, and I could care less about any other aspect of their political life/career/values.
Does anyone else remember when the Tea Party incoming class didn't want to sit on the appropriations committee? I seem to remember reading some things about that months ago.
Rogers and the appropriations members are the first enemy, though the leadership is a very, very close second. If people can't sit on these committees without spending like drunking sailors, they should be removed.
If a Republican can't sit on the committee (or lead the committee) without spending, they are not a conservative, and I could care less about any other aspect of their political life/career/values.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:49 PM (VoSja)
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233 KB "... We lose six or seven seats, gain a new round of Tea Party candidates, and scare the shit out of the backbenchers. "
I sure hope you're talking about the House. That proved to be a fatal number in the Senate.
I sure hope you're talking about the House. That proved to be a fatal number in the Senate.
Posted by: jwb7605 at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (Qxe/p)
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I am watching Bill O Reilly on Fox right now. They just showed a union protest in WA. I see the unions new strategy.
Protest with a bunch of huge fat slob women. Much harder for the police to drag out.
Protest with a bunch of huge fat slob women. Much harder for the police to drag out.
Posted by: Jeff Carter at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (STM/N)
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245 John Fucking Bolton.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (cDRYC)
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Jeff, you are trying to win the primaries before they are fought.
Good luck with that.
I've already stated my position. several times. Once in this thread. Here's twice:
I will not join the suicide pact voting "anyone but Obama" in 2012.
Arguing about how fast to go over the cliff is stupid. Big Stupid.
You either vote for someone willing to turn it around, or you own the ashes.
Good luck with that.
I've already stated my position. several times. Once in this thread. Here's twice:
I will not join the suicide pact voting "anyone but Obama" in 2012.
Arguing about how fast to go over the cliff is stupid. Big Stupid.
You either vote for someone willing to turn it around, or you own the ashes.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (QR9PP)
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Anyone interested in starting a new political party will have a lot of backing from some wealthy people I know.
Posted by: Jeff Carter at April 13, 2011 08:51 PM (STM/N)
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 08:51 PM (G/MYk)
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A penny saved is a penny earned.
Posted by: zombie Ben Franklin at April 13, 2011 08:51 PM (/izg2)
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Anyone want another drink?
Posted by: Geronimo at April 13, 2011 08:51 PM (KVI8B)
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"Protest with a bunch of huge fat slob women. Much harder for the police to drag out."
Flour...Water...Wet Spot...
Flour...Water...Wet Spot...
Posted by: x11b1p at April 13, 2011 08:51 PM (nVLlM)
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John Fucking Bolton.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (cDRYC)
Right, if there is one thing we can afford to do it's go to war with every country in the middle east. Sorry I'm tired of wars, fighting in them and paying for them.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (cDRYC)
Right, if there is one thing we can afford to do it's go to war with every country in the middle east. Sorry I'm tired of wars, fighting in them and paying for them.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 08:52 PM (MtwBb)
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Ok, I'm putting on my white public wig, the big one that makes me look like a Spaceball, and my prediction is...
The Boehner budget deal is a steaming pile of dog crap.
That'll be 5 dollars.
Ok, I'm putting on my white public wig, the big one that makes me look like a Spaceball, and my prediction is...
The Boehner budget deal is a steaming pile of dog crap.
That'll be 5 dollars.
Posted by: Rev Dr Gary Spivey at April 13, 2011 08:52 PM (s5aNX)
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What the fuck did Dagen McDowell do to her hair? I miss that Texas big hair. I like Texas big hair.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:52 PM (cDRYC)
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Try something different and look at how Daniels and Pawlenty actually "governed".
Mitch Daniels will screw this country sideways. That is my final answer.
Pawlenty, I know jackshit about. So he's actually my current favorite. All enigmatic and full of empty promise.
I really doubt he's any good though. Probably a lot like Daniels. I've seen some things I don't care for from him... but like I said, I really haven't seen much.
I couldn'trecognize him by face if he walked up and punched me.
Mitch Daniels will screw this country sideways. That is my final answer.
Pawlenty, I know jackshit about. So he's actually my current favorite. All enigmatic and full of empty promise.
I really doubt he's any good though. Probably a lot like Daniels. I've seen some things I don't care for from him... but like I said, I really haven't seen much.
I couldn'trecognize him by face if he walked up and punched me.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:52 PM (SwWT6)
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John Bolton----yes
I will not join the suicide pact voting "anyone but Obama" in 2012.Then you're a fucking idiot.
I will not join the suicide pact voting "anyone but Obama" in 2012.Then you're a fucking idiot.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 08:53 PM (hr4/M)
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Won't the $33 billion in cuts compound over time to be gadzillions in cuts?
Now stop bugging me...gotta nap on my train.
Now stop bugging me...gotta nap on my train.
Posted by: Sherriff Joe Biden at April 13, 2011 08:53 PM (ny5uA)
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261 "Right, if there is one thing we can afford to do it's go to war with
every country in the middle east. Sorry I'm tired of wars, fighting in
them and paying for them."
Bolton would fight wars the old fashioned way.
He'd win them.
every country in the middle east. Sorry I'm tired of wars, fighting in
them and paying for them."
Bolton would fight wars the old fashioned way.
He'd win them.
Posted by: jwb7605 at April 13, 2011 08:54 PM (Qxe/p)
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Protest with a bunch of huge fat slob women. Much harder for the police to drag out. Posted by: Jeff Carter at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (STM/N)
But they bounce when you drop them.Just wear gloves.
But they bounce when you drop them.Just wear gloves.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:54 PM (bxiXv)
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John Fucking Bolton.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (cDRYC)
Has anyone started a petition?
I'd bet that he might consider if he had sufficient backing.
And Uncle Ted for DHS, as always.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:50 PM (cDRYC)
Has anyone started a petition?
I'd bet that he might consider if he had sufficient backing.
And Uncle Ted for DHS, as always.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (OgDRw)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (g73jP)
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Hallucinogens are certainly helpful on days such as this
Posted by: 13th Floor Elevators at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (le5qc)
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Anyone want another drink?
Posted by: Geronimo at April 13, 2011 08:51 PM (KVI8B)
Hell yeah!!! Geronimo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone want another drink?
Posted by: Geronimo at April 13, 2011 08:51 PM (KVI8B)
Hell yeah!!! Geronimo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: NC Ref at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (/izg2)
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Right, if there is one thing we can afford to do it's go to war with
every country in the middle east. Sorry I'm tired of wars, fighting in
them and paying for them.
Wars don't have to last very long, nowadays.
every country in the middle east. Sorry I'm tired of wars, fighting in
them and paying for them.
Wars don't have to last very long, nowadays.
Posted by: zombie Curtis LeMay at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (SwkdU)
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Yeah, even Rand Paul, at this point.
Not RonPaul!!! though.
Rand wanted to cut $500Billion. He will not vote on this piece of crap (or didn't - I don't know when they will vote).
Not RonPaul!!! though.
Rand wanted to cut $500Billion. He will not vote on this piece of crap (or didn't - I don't know when they will vote).
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (QR9PP)
Posted by: Manuel from Barcelona at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (aaW0M)
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fat bottom girls make the rockin world go round.
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (h+qn8)
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So, Boner has backed the Repubs into a corner where they look like they're throwing a tantrum if they vote 'N' and shut down the gov't.
If Boner triangulates and tosses the freshman under the bus then he's gone. Done. Cooked. And we are with him. Look for the 'Tea Partiers want a shutdown' to come from his mouth. He'll be parroting Hairy Reed at the point. His only option is to disown his own deal, admit his mistake, apologize to the people, vote to shutdown and resign his leadership. Damn dummy.
And spending will increase until the day of the collapse... It's very depressing.
If Boner triangulates and tosses the freshman under the bus then he's gone. Done. Cooked. And we are with him. Look for the 'Tea Partiers want a shutdown' to come from his mouth. He'll be parroting Hairy Reed at the point. His only option is to disown his own deal, admit his mistake, apologize to the people, vote to shutdown and resign his leadership. Damn dummy.
And spending will increase until the day of the collapse... It's very depressing.
Posted by: OzJohnnie at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (RJY0+)
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George H. W. Bush has 4 more years of eligibility left. Worth a second look?
I kid, let's give McCann a another shot. He did say that Barry kid would make a nice pres.
I kid, let's give McCann a another shot. He did say that Barry kid would make a nice pres.
Posted by: Some Dumass just making shit up at April 13, 2011 08:56 PM (6yyVB)
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Oh, come on now, the REAL enemy is people who pronounce a "th" sound at the end of "height."
Surely we can all agree on that.
Surely we can all agree on that.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:56 PM (bxiXv)
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251 Does anyone else remember when the Tea Party incoming class didn't
want to sit on the appropriations committee? I seem to remember reading
some things about that months ago. Rogers and the appropriations
members are the first enemy, though the leadership is a very, very close
second. If people can't sit on these committees without spending like
drunking sailors, they should be removed. If a Republican can't
sit on the committee (or lead the committee) without spending, they are
not a conservative, and I could care less about any other aspect of
their political life/career/values.
Yes. People don't like Appropriations for a reason. They currently have more conservative members than they ever did, but not enough to push-back against Rogers. Rep. Foxx and Rep. Flake helped pushover a deal several months ago, but I'm not sure they can do that here.
want to sit on the appropriations committee? I seem to remember reading
some things about that months ago. Rogers and the appropriations
members are the first enemy, though the leadership is a very, very close
second. If people can't sit on these committees without spending like
drunking sailors, they should be removed. If a Republican can't
sit on the committee (or lead the committee) without spending, they are
not a conservative, and I could care less about any other aspect of
their political life/career/values.
Yes. People don't like Appropriations for a reason. They currently have more conservative members than they ever did, but not enough to push-back against Rogers. Rep. Foxx and Rep. Flake helped pushover a deal several months ago, but I'm not sure they can do that here.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 08:57 PM (uVLrI)
Posted by: Max Power at April 13, 2011 08:57 PM (q177U)
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@225
And your trying to burn down the building before you have a match or a torch. Unless there is a viable 3rd party option next year, your write in vote means nothing. Fighting to make sure the GOP primary winner is someone who is truly anti-establishment and will fight the dems till the end regardless of consequence is a viable option. That primary winner needs a VP, so we might as well figure out what's best from what we have as opposed to lighting all of our options on fire over one thing or another.
@225
And your trying to burn down the building before you have a match or a torch. Unless there is a viable 3rd party option next year, your write in vote means nothing. Fighting to make sure the GOP primary winner is someone who is truly anti-establishment and will fight the dems till the end regardless of consequence is a viable option. That primary winner needs a VP, so we might as well figure out what's best from what we have as opposed to lighting all of our options on fire over one thing or another.
Posted by: Nate at April 13, 2011 08:57 PM (BBlzg)
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1
We shoulda seen what was coming.February 18, 2011From AoS: Flaming Skull"Um: Half of Republican Caucus, Especially Leadership and Old Guard,
Votes With Democrats To Block Additional $22 Billion in Cuts""Republican committee chairmen like Lungren, Appropriations chief Hal
Rogers (R-Ky.) and Jo Bonner (Ala.) made a rare stand alongside
Democrats, while Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), a former chairman of the GOP
conference, spoke in strong support of the measure."
Let's see how they vote (is it tomorrow?), but then... DRAFT PENCE.
We shoulda seen what was coming.February 18, 2011From AoS: Flaming Skull"Um: Half of Republican Caucus, Especially Leadership and Old Guard,
Votes With Democrats To Block Additional $22 Billion in Cuts""Republican committee chairmen like Lungren, Appropriations chief Hal
Rogers (R-Ky.) and Jo Bonner (Ala.) made a rare stand alongside
Democrats, while Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), a former chairman of the GOP
conference, spoke in strong support of the measure."
Let's see how they vote (is it tomorrow?), but then... DRAFT PENCE.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 08:57 PM (pW2o8)
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I will not join the suicide pact voting "anyone but Obama" in 2012.
Then you're a fucking idiot.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 08:53 PM (hr4/M)
Amen
Then you're a fucking idiot.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 08:53 PM (hr4/M)
Amen
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 13, 2011 08:57 PM (7wmOW)
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Doesn't this completely cut the legs out from serious proposals that Republicans will offer? Who believes any of these eleventy trillion dollars in six hundred years nonsense anymore?
Doesn't this completely cut the legs out from serious proposals that Republicans will offer? Who believes any of these eleventy trillion dollars in six hundred years nonsense anymore?
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 08:58 PM (VoSja)
285
it's not schedule, it's sheduoole
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:58 PM (h+qn8)
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I will not join the suicide pact voting "anyone but Obama" in 2012.
Stop and think about that one for a minute.
Stop and think about that one for a minute.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 13, 2011 08:58 PM (gDbxE)
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261, Yes, I have noticed how when we are nice and subdued nobody shoots balistic missles off our coasts. Nobody kidnaps our hikers and holds them. No south American dictators laugh at our president. We are the safest when the world thinks are leaders are half fucking crazy instead of full fucking pussy. Peace through strength.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:58 PM (cDRYC)
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I would be hard-pressed to know how to vote on this if I was a member of Congress. You have the opportunity for a bad outcome with a weak leader either way. Which poison are you going to pick?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 08:58 PM (uVLrI)
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Presidential hopeful then piss all over it while at the same time defending any perceived slight against Palin for hours on end. No, these people worship her.
Speaking of which..... What I've seen that I don't like about Pawlenty.
Palin is the only potential hopeful that has actually endorsed Ryan's plan.
Pawlently, like all the rest, save maybe FUCKING TRUMP, have their finger in their air and are dodging around it.
Speaking of which..... What I've seen that I don't like about Pawlenty.
Palin is the only potential hopeful that has actually endorsed Ryan's plan.
Pawlently, like all the rest, save maybe FUCKING TRUMP, have their finger in their air and are dodging around it.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:58 PM (SwWT6)
290
fat bottom girls make the rockin world go round.
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (h+qn
Freddie and the guys can definitely rock out!
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (h+qn
Freddie and the guys can definitely rock out!
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 08:59 PM (OgDRw)
291
Trumps too busy being Trump.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:59 PM (SwWT6)
292
I had thought Pence wasn't running?
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:59 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: DngrMse at April 13, 2011 09:00 PM (aaW0M)
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279 Oh, come on now, the REAL enemy is people who pronounce a "th" sound at the end of "height." Surely we can all agree on that.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:56 PM (bxiXv)
If they also say "towards" instead of "toward" in this country.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 08:56 PM (bxiXv)
If they also say "towards" instead of "toward" in this country.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:00 PM (hr4/M)
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#280
Nice to see you again Miss80s. I hope it didn't seem like a lot of us were ganging up on you the other day. I really do appreciate your views. Keep fighting and keep your strong perspective!
#280
Nice to see you again Miss80s. I hope it didn't seem like a lot of us were ganging up on you the other day. I really do appreciate your views. Keep fighting and keep your strong perspective!
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:00 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: Aaron Burr at April 13, 2011 09:00 PM (jGXQI)
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Does this mean that we're done with the "the momentum is in our favor", "this isn't the hill we want to die on", "it's the debit limit 2012 budget that matter" nonsense?
Oh, in case you missed it on Hannity's radio show, Boehner said, and I quote, "our plan to raise the debit limit". Oh sure, it was in context with the usual platitudes and conditions, but the point is clear: He is going into that "negotiation" with the conclusion that he will authorize more spending... over and above the 14.9 trillion that our other good buddy, Cantor, called ludicrous the last time we did this.
Oh, in case you missed it on Hannity's radio show, Boehner said, and I quote, "our plan to raise the debit limit". Oh sure, it was in context with the usual platitudes and conditions, but the point is clear: He is going into that "negotiation" with the conclusion that he will authorize more spending... over and above the 14.9 trillion that our other good buddy, Cantor, called ludicrous the last time we did this.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 09:00 PM (3nrx7)
298
We fucked up. We trusted them.
Posted by: 'Cause there's an Animal House quote for every occasion at April 13, 2011 09:00 PM (MMC8r)
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...over and above the 14.9 trillion that our other good buddy, Cantor, called ludicrous the last time we did this.
Ancient history.
...over and above the 14.9 trillion that our other good buddy, Cantor, called ludicrous the last time we did this.
Ancient history.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:02 PM (g73jP)
300
283
Let's
see how they vote (is it tomorrow?), but then... DRAFT PENCE.
That's from a press release for something done months ago. I think there are conservatives who will vote for and against on both sides and for different reasons.
As for the vote, it's still scheduled as the last vote tomorrow. Work begins on Ryan's bill right before that. Anyone wishing to read the 2012 budget bill should go here.
Let's
see how they vote (is it tomorrow?), but then... DRAFT PENCE.
That's from a press release for something done months ago. I think there are conservatives who will vote for and against on both sides and for different reasons.
As for the vote, it's still scheduled as the last vote tomorrow. Work begins on Ryan's bill right before that. Anyone wishing to read the 2012 budget bill should go here.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:02 PM (uVLrI)
301
293
I had thought Pence wasn't running?
Hence the need to draft him.
Seriously, Daniels is a goner. He needs to step out of Pence's way.
I had thought Pence wasn't running?
Hence the need to draft him.
Seriously, Daniels is a goner. He needs to step out of Pence's way.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 09:02 PM (pW2o8)
302
294, Sure , OK, a plane.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:03 PM (cDRYC)
Posted by: Seethsewer at April 13, 2011 09:03 PM (FYCiJ)
304
you can't expect our Republicans in Washington to stand by what they say ten, twelve months after they say it
you can't expect our Republicans in Washington to stand by what they say ten, twelve months after they say it
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:03 PM (UQjUb)
305
278
George H. W. Bush has 4 more years of eligibility left. Worth a second look?
Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
George H. W. Bush has 4 more years of eligibility left. Worth a second look?
Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
Posted by: NC Ref at April 13, 2011 09:03 PM (/izg2)
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well i guess next up will be taxing anything that moves.
hey where's the jobs!!!
why aren't we seeing people in the streets andlines at the food stamp offices. and reel after reel of empty storfronts?
hey where's the jobs!!!
why aren't we seeing people in the streets andlines at the food stamp offices. and reel after reel of empty storfronts?
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 09:04 PM (h+qn8)
307
304 That's no moon.
It's a space station.
Posted by: Seethsewer at April 13, 2011 09:03 PM (FYCiJ)
No, it's a moon.Honest.Trust me.
It's a space station.
Posted by: Seethsewer at April 13, 2011 09:03 PM (FYCiJ)
No, it's a moon.Honest.Trust me.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 09:04 PM (bxiXv)
308
Rand wanted to cut $500Billion. He will not vote on this piece of crap (or didn't - I don't know when they will vote).
Rand has actually been talking about fillibustering it.
The old fashioned way, where he just reads the Great fucking Gatsby for 43 hours.
Rand Paul is my hero. That guy is the real deal, clever, personable, sane, willing and able.
Rand has actually been talking about fillibustering it.
The old fashioned way, where he just reads the Great fucking Gatsby for 43 hours.
Rand Paul is my hero. That guy is the real deal, clever, personable, sane, willing and able.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 09:04 PM (SwWT6)
309
309, Yep, I like him too.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:05 PM (cDRYC)
310
I am very sad his toilets don't work.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 09:05 PM (SwWT6)
311
That's from a press release for something done months ago. I think there
are conservatives who will vote for and against on both sides and for
different reasons.
I recall the vote. It was the vote for which Col. West inexplicably - as in literally he never explained his vote to his constituents - voted against the additional $22B in cuts.
The explanation we were offered by "leadership" was that the cuts weren't going to be itemized so they didn't want to give Obama the power or some such nonsense.
That vote was the sign that GOP leadership wasn't serious, imho.
are conservatives who will vote for and against on both sides and for
different reasons.
I recall the vote. It was the vote for which Col. West inexplicably - as in literally he never explained his vote to his constituents - voted against the additional $22B in cuts.
The explanation we were offered by "leadership" was that the cuts weren't going to be itemized so they didn't want to give Obama the power or some such nonsense.
That vote was the sign that GOP leadership wasn't serious, imho.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 09:05 PM (pW2o8)
312
Chairman Ryan called Obama "a pyromaniac in a field of strawmen".
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:05 PM (uVLrI)
313
It's a space station.
The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a
weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light
from Venus.
The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a
weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light
from Venus.
Posted by: zombie Curtis LeMay at April 13, 2011 09:06 PM (SwkdU)
314
The Great Gatsby is an anti capitalist screed (on the 32ed reading).
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:06 PM (hr4/M)
315
Maybe I won't articulate this well but it really bothers me that the entire country is behind raising taxes on just one group. It sort of sets an odd precedent which I think people aren't realizing. I mean what happens when they say "oh well, we didn't get all the money we needed out of the rich so we are going for the two tax brackets below them". And then when that still doesn't work they are going to go to the brackets that are left. It's only 50% of the people working who pay taxes anyway, everyone else gets a free ride thanks to GWB. But that's fine and honorable, heck if you are working and making less than twenty grand you deserve to pay no taxes as a reward for at least trying to be honorable and work. Then there is the entitlement class who wouldn't dream of working and find the same kinds of ways to augment their dole as the wealthy do to avoid taxes period.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:06 PM (k1rwm)
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So, according to the 2012 budget bill. Here are the deficits Republicans project for the next ten years.
2012 - 1.081 trillion dollars
2013 - 788 billion dollars
2014 - 581 billion dollars
2015 - 527 billion dollars
2016 - 577 billion dollars
2017 - 501 billion dollars
2018 - 464 billion dollars
2019 - 490 billion dollars
2020 - 464 billion dollars
2021 - 433 billion dollars
So, according to the 2012 budget bill. Here are the deficits Republicans project for the next ten years.
2012 - 1.081 trillion dollars
2013 - 788 billion dollars
2014 - 581 billion dollars
2015 - 527 billion dollars
2016 - 577 billion dollars
2017 - 501 billion dollars
2018 - 464 billion dollars
2019 - 490 billion dollars
2020 - 464 billion dollars
2021 - 433 billion dollars
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:06 PM (VoSja)
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316, He could really fuck with them and read atlas shrugged.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:07 PM (cDRYC)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:07 PM (g73jP)
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315 The Great Gatsby is an anti capitalist screed (on the 32ed reading). Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:06 PM (hr4/M)
Maybe he'll read from Anthem.
Maybe he'll read from Anthem.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 13, 2011 09:07 PM (bxiXv)
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I like Ryan as well, but if these deficits come out of Ryan's plan, I'm going to take a shot with Rand Paul.
I like Ryan as well, but if these deficits come out of Ryan's plan, I'm going to take a shot with Rand Paul.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:07 PM (VoSja)
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The old fashioned way, where he just reads the Great fucking Gatsby for 43 hours.
Atlas Shrugged would be more appropriate.
And would probably last a week.
The old fashioned way, where he just reads the Great fucking Gatsby for 43 hours.
Atlas Shrugged would be more appropriate.
And would probably last a week.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 09:08 PM (MMC8r)
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#319
The numbers I posted are from the 2012 budget the Miss80s provided. This is following Ryan's plan very heavily from what I can see so far.
#319
The numbers I posted are from the 2012 budget the Miss80s provided. This is following Ryan's plan very heavily from what I can see so far.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:08 PM (VoSja)
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I'm going downstairs to my basement dodging the damn camelback crickets to do laundry.
If anyone else suggests they won't vote for "anyone but obama", let me know. I'll be happy to call them a fucking idiot too.
If anyone else suggests they won't vote for "anyone but obama", let me know. I'll be happy to call them a fucking idiot too.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:08 PM (hr4/M)
324
Dang, someone beat me to it.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 09:08 PM (MMC8r)
325
OOOPS, I meant as a response to 309
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:09 PM (cDRYC)
326
The budget also raises the debt ceiling every year, and it will be at $23 trillion in 2021 according to the Republican budget.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:09 PM (VoSja)
327
Yes, I have noticed how when we are nice and subdued nobody shoots balistic missles off our coasts. Nobody kidnaps our hikers and holds them. No south American dictators laugh at our president. We are the safest when the world thinks are leaders are half fucking crazy instead of full fucking pussy. Peace through strength.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:58 PM (cDRYC)
Oh you mean like when Bush was president and Bolton was ambassador to the UN. That was cool speech Chavez gave after Bush spoke wasn't it? "It smells like sulphor here, like the devil" and what a hoot when gadaffy followed him and went on for hours how evil Bush was. North Koreas first Nuclear test was sweet too and that whole Daniel Pearl thing getting his head sawed off on you tube. Iran of course stopped their nuclear development out of sheer fear.
Look we have to be strong to defend ourselves, not to try and spread democracy around the world, it doesn't work and we can't afford it.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 08:58 PM (cDRYC)
Oh you mean like when Bush was president and Bolton was ambassador to the UN. That was cool speech Chavez gave after Bush spoke wasn't it? "It smells like sulphor here, like the devil" and what a hoot when gadaffy followed him and went on for hours how evil Bush was. North Koreas first Nuclear test was sweet too and that whole Daniel Pearl thing getting his head sawed off on you tube. Iran of course stopped their nuclear development out of sheer fear.
Look we have to be strong to defend ourselves, not to try and spread democracy around the world, it doesn't work and we can't afford it.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:10 PM (MtwBb)
328
So where the fuck does Boehner expect to get all this new money he's spending on fuckin high speed rail?
Tax increases?
Printing money?
"Savings" somewhere?
What an idiot.
So where the fuck does Boehner expect to get all this new money he's spending on fuckin high speed rail?
Tax increases?
Printing money?
"Savings" somewhere?
What an idiot.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at April 13, 2011 09:10 PM (s5aNX)
329
If anyone else suggests they won't vote for "anyone but obama", let me know. I'll be happy to call them a fucking idiot too.
I gave in and conceded that I'd vote for Huckabee a month or two ago. I am almost ready to be willing to vote for Ron Paul.
I gave in and conceded that I'd vote for Huckabee a month or two ago. I am almost ready to be willing to vote for Ron Paul.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 09:10 PM (pW2o8)
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Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:06 PM (k1rwm)
I hate to break it to you curious, but your concern is already reality and has been since the income tax code was created.
The entire basis of the tax code is and always has been structured with the explicit intent that 1. at some point, you've made enough money and 2. it is the obligation of those who earn more to support those who earn less.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:06 PM (k1rwm)
I hate to break it to you curious, but your concern is already reality and has been since the income tax code was created.
The entire basis of the tax code is and always has been structured with the explicit intent that 1. at some point, you've made enough money and 2. it is the obligation of those who earn more to support those who earn less.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 09:10 PM (3nrx7)
331
312
I recall the vote. It was the vote for
which Col. West inexplicably - as in literally he never explained his vote to his
constituents - voted against the additional $22B in cuts...
The leadership split on that one, unless we're talking about the top 3.
As for the vote tomorrow, I think you can be a conservative and vote either way. Look at this from their perspective-- a number of them are unhappy with Boehner but don't see someone better at the moment. Do you (a) vote it down and pray that he handles a shutdown better this time or (b) just keep going because he'll bomb this? That is a hard choice to make, when we're considering the practical realities.
I recall the vote. It was the vote for
which Col. West inexplicably - as in literally he never explained his vote to his
constituents - voted against the additional $22B in cuts...
The leadership split on that one, unless we're talking about the top 3.
As for the vote tomorrow, I think you can be a conservative and vote either way. Look at this from their perspective-- a number of them are unhappy with Boehner but don't see someone better at the moment. Do you (a) vote it down and pray that he handles a shutdown better this time or (b) just keep going because he'll bomb this? That is a hard choice to make, when we're considering the practical realities.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:10 PM (uVLrI)
332
2012 - 1.081 trillion dollars
So they say they're gonna cut almost $500B from the deficit with the 2011 budget?
2012 - 1.081 trillion dollars
So they say they're gonna cut almost $500B from the deficit with the 2011 budget?
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:10 PM (g73jP)
333
Trumps too busy being Trump.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:59 PM (SwWT6)
Word. He'd probably lose sight of running the country and try and build a 5 mile high skyscraper in Manhatten to compete with those cocksuckers in the U.A.E.
And then run out of money doing it.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 08:59 PM (SwWT6)
Word. He'd probably lose sight of running the country and try and build a 5 mile high skyscraper in Manhatten to compete with those cocksuckers in the U.A.E.
And then run out of money doing it.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:11 PM (OgDRw)
334
So, according to the 2012 budget bill. Here are the deficits Republicans project for the next ten years.
I add that up to $5.906 trillion, which puts us over $20T for debt, assuming we don't have to pay interest on T-Bills.
Feel free to correct my accounting practices.
I add that up to $5.906 trillion, which puts us over $20T for debt, assuming we don't have to pay interest on T-Bills.
Feel free to correct my accounting practices.
Posted by: fluffy adds up some real money at April 13, 2011 09:11 PM (SwkdU)
335
328, UM, Bolton wasn't in charge, Bush was. I agree with you on the Nation building thing. I don't think I have ever read a comment from Bolton where he wants to do the Iraq thing again. I like Bolton because of his intlorance of the crooked fucking Chinese.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:13 PM (cDRYC)
336
fluffernutter, those figures represent the decreasing amount in the annual budget deficits for each of those years
fluffernutter, those figures represent the decreasing amount in the annual budget deficits for each of those years
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:13 PM (UQjUb)
337
I know what they're thinking but won't say. Taking money from the rich won't hurt them--it won't cause hunger or mortgage problems etc so they should be knocked down a peg so that other MORE worthy people can have the govt fulfill their needs. It's about how they think you should live. No one ever asks if by knocking the rich down, why would the rich then work?
Why not just sit on the fire escape and drink from a brown bag if it results in the same income? People try to explain that they can't create wealth or jobs if they are overtaxed but it all comes back to the left acting jealous of the rich so that they can be in solidarity with the jealous poor from whom they derive their power.
Why not just sit on the fire escape and drink from a brown bag if it results in the same income? People try to explain that they can't create wealth or jobs if they are overtaxed but it all comes back to the left acting jealous of the rich so that they can be in solidarity with the jealous poor from whom they derive their power.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:13 PM (hr4/M)
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The long-term debt reduction from Ryan's plan mainly comes from reducing the rate of Medicare spending decades from now.
I think he is a smart guy, but the overall deficit and debt reduction that comes from his plan is tough to buy.Even if those'twenty years from now' chanes could be made now politicans will demagogue before these changes happen and limit them. If it doesn't happen now or within the current legislative cycle, it shouldn't be seen as a long-term viable option for reducing the deficit.
The long-term debt reduction from Ryan's plan mainly comes from reducing the rate of Medicare spending decades from now.
I think he is a smart guy, but the overall deficit and debt reduction that comes from his plan is tough to buy.Even if those'twenty years from now' chanes could be made now politicans will demagogue before these changes happen and limit them. If it doesn't happen now or within the current legislative cycle, it shouldn't be seen as a long-term viable option for reducing the deficit.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:14 PM (VoSja)
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It really pains me to say it, but I'm coming around on Rand Paul. He is the only one of the Republicans with any fucking backbone who can't be bought, so far.
And all you political groupie fags that are so in love with the political maneuvering and clever parliamentary trickery can kiss me right between the fucking pockets. You're part of the problem.
You know who you are.
And all you political groupie fags that are so in love with the political maneuvering and clever parliamentary trickery can kiss me right between the fucking pockets. You're part of the problem.
You know who you are.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 13, 2011 09:14 PM (Y0wFY)
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I like Pence and I'd vote for him. He ain't perfect, but he's good enough.
Probably also not running.
Bachmann might run. I could go for that. I doubt she'll go anywhere though.
Like I said - I favor Pawlenty because I know jack shit about him.
Apart from Mystery Door #3, it looks to be coming down to a choice between Romney - who, I promise you, will 'fix' healthcare, Huckabee - who will govern the country like the illegitimate bastard of a New York City Councilman and a gay youthpastor, or Donald Fucking Trump who I believe will embezzel 11 trillion dollars, sell everything west of the mississippi to China and fly off to some summerhouse in Venezuela.
So I'm probably voting for Ron Paul. He may be bugfucking crazy but he's my kind of crazy and he may actually salvage the country. Certainly won't be invading Libya. Certainly won't be buying car companies or printing trillions of worthless dollars. I think Israel can survive without us for 8 years and if can't, it's screwed if we go down anyway.
Probably also not running.
Bachmann might run. I could go for that. I doubt she'll go anywhere though.
Like I said - I favor Pawlenty because I know jack shit about him.
Apart from Mystery Door #3, it looks to be coming down to a choice between Romney - who, I promise you, will 'fix' healthcare, Huckabee - who will govern the country like the illegitimate bastard of a New York City Councilman and a gay youthpastor, or Donald Fucking Trump who I believe will embezzel 11 trillion dollars, sell everything west of the mississippi to China and fly off to some summerhouse in Venezuela.
So I'm probably voting for Ron Paul. He may be bugfucking crazy but he's my kind of crazy and he may actually salvage the country. Certainly won't be invading Libya. Certainly won't be buying car companies or printing trillions of worthless dollars. I think Israel can survive without us for 8 years and if can't, it's screwed if we go down anyway.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 09:14 PM (SwWT6)
Posted by: Decrepit Old Guy With A Beard at April 13, 2011 09:14 PM (EL+OC)
342
Lenin said:
“Sometimes decades pass and nothing happens; and then sometimes weeks pass and decades happen.”
Obama happened in 2008.
2012 may be our last chance - somebody help us.
“Sometimes decades pass and nothing happens; and then sometimes weeks pass and decades happen.”
Obama happened in 2008.
2012 may be our last chance - somebody help us.
Posted by: gesc at April 13, 2011 09:14 PM (9h7jT)
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Do you (a) vote it down and pray that he handles a shutdown better this
time or (b) just keep going because he'll bomb this? That is a hard
choice to make, when we're considering the practical realities.
I don't understand your point a. He didn't handle a shutdown. The shutdown was an illusion. He had no intention of allowing the government to shutdown and signaled that to the Dems from the start. But that's because he thought (knew) the other GOP congresscritters were backing him. If they pull their support and present a united front, the government will shut down.
Time to do the experiment, in my opinion.
We don't know how it would play out, but we do know that the GOP will lose all of its gains in the House (and probably lose the majority) if they make the voters swallow this shit sandwich.
Whatever Indies or Libs think, it's important that Conservatives see the GOP fighting the good fight.
time or (b) just keep going because he'll bomb this? That is a hard
choice to make, when we're considering the practical realities.
I don't understand your point a. He didn't handle a shutdown. The shutdown was an illusion. He had no intention of allowing the government to shutdown and signaled that to the Dems from the start. But that's because he thought (knew) the other GOP congresscritters were backing him. If they pull their support and present a united front, the government will shut down.
Time to do the experiment, in my opinion.
We don't know how it would play out, but we do know that the GOP will lose all of its gains in the House (and probably lose the majority) if they make the voters swallow this shit sandwich.
Whatever Indies or Libs think, it's important that Conservatives see the GOP fighting the good fight.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 09:15 PM (pW2o8)
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#333
Not quite. Remember that this years deficit was high because of the payroll tax holiday, high unemployment benefits, and other treasury and commerce payments.
If I remember correctly, the expected deficit that the CBO projected for Obama in 2012 was right around that number or a little lower.
#333
Not quite. Remember that this years deficit was high because of the payroll tax holiday, high unemployment benefits, and other treasury and commerce payments.
If I remember correctly, the expected deficit that the CBO projected for Obama in 2012 was right around that number or a little lower.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:16 PM (VoSja)
345
I gave in and conceded that I'd vote for Huckabee a month or two ago. I am almost ready to be willing to vote for Ron Paul.
Start working on being willing to vote for a feces covered inantimate object. It's still better.
Start working on being willing to vote for a feces covered inantimate object. It's still better.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:16 PM (hr4/M)
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At this point I would pull back from all US obligations in the world.Real or imagined,seriously,let it burn.Fix our shit first.This does not mean we will cease to defend ourselves or our most critical allies.I am willing to serously cut military capability(it's going to happen like it or not).
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:16 PM (wbQ8+)
347
The marxist cock holster must go.Whoever we end up with running with the R next to his name is getting my vote. I don't care if the republican is sitting in his diapers and playing with fucking blocks. He can run from brilliant to drooling on himself, but none will be the evil obama is.
Posted by: Berserker at April 13, 2011 09:16 PM (gWHrG)
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And all you political groupie fags that are so in love with the political maneuvering and clever parliamentary trickery...
Kobie just got fined for $100K for calling a ref a fag.
Watch your step, mister.
And all you political groupie fags that are so in love with the political maneuvering and clever parliamentary trickery...
Kobie just got fined for $100K for calling a ref a fag.
Watch your step, mister.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:16 PM (g73jP)
349
327
The budget also raises the debt ceiling every year, and it will be at
$23 trillion in 2021 according to the Republican budget.
That's estimating the amount of public debt, which was revised after Heritage re-released their report. While the levels of debt keep rising due to mandatory spending levels, you'll see that they drop significantly outside the budget window. This is Heritage's analysis.
The budget also raises the debt ceiling every year, and it will be at
$23 trillion in 2021 according to the Republican budget.
That's estimating the amount of public debt, which was revised after Heritage re-released their report. While the levels of debt keep rising due to mandatory spending levels, you'll see that they drop significantly outside the budget window. This is Heritage's analysis.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:17 PM (uVLrI)
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:17 PM (VoSja)
351
If Captain SunTan is still Speaker in a month after this F-U to the base, shit needs to rain down from the sky until DC drowns in it.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 09:17 PM (MMC8r)
352
Fine. It's down to namecalling, I guess.
That's a great reason to burn this fucking country down.
What did you get the last time you voted for "anyone but a Dem?"
Are we headed for zero cliffs, now?
Wait, you mean it all happened in two years?
Hahaha hahaha hahahaha!
Shit I could sell you your own watch.
That's a great reason to burn this fucking country down.
What did you get the last time you voted for "anyone but a Dem?"
Are we headed for zero cliffs, now?
Wait, you mean it all happened in two years?
Hahaha hahaha hahahaha!
Shit I could sell you your own watch.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 09:17 PM (5ZF5G)
353
I don't want to sit around and wonder what the hell happened. I want someone with a fucking brain in their head to come out and tell us exactafuckinglackly what this damn bill entails. No bullshit. No worrying about the next election. The simple unadulterated truth.
Is that too damn much to ask? Just one SOB with balls big enough to tell the damn truth?
Is that too damn much to ask? Just one SOB with balls big enough to tell the damn truth?
Posted by: Steph, Sith apprentice on bended knee at April 13, 2011 09:17 PM (AkdC5)
354
It really pains me to say it, but I'm coming around on Rand Paul. He is the only one of the Republicans with any fucking backbone who can't be bought, so far.
I laughed at Dad when he he voted for Ross Perot. I ain't laughing so much now.
I laughed at Dad when he he voted for Ross Perot. I ain't laughing so much now.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:17 PM (OgDRw)
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What if the "rich" leave?
Obama hasn't a single clue as to how economies work, he was too busy gazing into a mirror and jerking off Billy Ayers, son of a really rich guy.
The Radical Chic are running this country, all of it, and it has been this way for a long time.
Where are all these electric cars coming from all of a sudden? Windmills?
We are spending tons of cash on worthless shit, to make hippies and leftists happy.
Frightens the crap out of me.
And then I look at how much I'm paying for the privilege.
What a sick play we have going on at this theatre of fools.
What if the "rich" leave?
Obama hasn't a single clue as to how economies work, he was too busy gazing into a mirror and jerking off Billy Ayers, son of a really rich guy.
The Radical Chic are running this country, all of it, and it has been this way for a long time.
Where are all these electric cars coming from all of a sudden? Windmills?
We are spending tons of cash on worthless shit, to make hippies and leftists happy.
Frightens the crap out of me.
And then I look at how much I'm paying for the privilege.
What a sick play we have going on at this theatre of fools.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at April 13, 2011 09:18 PM (s5aNX)
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With budgetfudge this awesome, just remember: it's only random toner blobs on a piece of paper.
It's not my job to drive the train
Can't even ring the bell
But let the damn thing jump the tracks
And see who catches hell.
It's not my job to drive the train
Can't even ring the bell
But let the damn thing jump the tracks
And see who catches hell.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 13, 2011 09:18 PM (XBM1t)
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oh, and in case you didn't hear: most of Barry Bonds' case was thrown out; he got found guilty on one count of acting like a jerk, or lying, or something.
But he pretty much walks away with no real punishment.
oh, and in case you didn't hear: most of Barry Bonds' case was thrown out; he got found guilty on one count of acting like a jerk, or lying, or something.
But he pretty much walks away with no real punishment.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:19 PM (UQjUb)
358
Pelosi just emailed to say she's not giving Boehner's balls back.
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 13, 2011 09:19 PM (Je+k1)
359
Hey, are you trying to fuck me in the ass,
or is that a Boehner in your pants?
or is that a Boehner in your pants?
Posted by: Taxed Up The Ass at April 13, 2011 09:19 PM (wFMDa)
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I laughed at Dad when he he voted for Ross Perot. I ain't laughing so much now.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:17 PM (OgDRw)
You liked Clinton then? Well we've had worse.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:17 PM (OgDRw)
You liked Clinton then? Well we've had worse.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:20 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 09:20 PM (SwWT6)
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#350
Exactly, and this is what my other comment was about. We have to wait over a decade to see any serious reduction and that reduction is supposed to come in the form of a voucher Medicare program.
The Republicans aren't going to be in control of all houses of Congress for twenty years. They are going to have an incredibly difficult time just getting Democrats to vote on Ryan's Medicare proposal. I honestly don't see Medicare turning into a voucher program without all three branches held by the Republicans and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.
This cost-saving measure (as good as it may be!) can't be our silver bullet to cutting the deficit.
#350
Exactly, and this is what my other comment was about. We have to wait over a decade to see any serious reduction and that reduction is supposed to come in the form of a voucher Medicare program.
The Republicans aren't going to be in control of all houses of Congress for twenty years. They are going to have an incredibly difficult time just getting Democrats to vote on Ryan's Medicare proposal. I honestly don't see Medicare turning into a voucher program without all three branches held by the Republicans and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.
This cost-saving measure (as good as it may be!) can't be our silver bullet to cutting the deficit.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:20 PM (VoSja)
363
358 Much as I hate Bonds(and I really do),did we really need a federal prosecution?$Millions wasted.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:20 PM (wbQ8+)
364
I don't care if the republican is sitting in his diapers and playing with fucking blocks.
Hell the Vice President is doing that now.
Hell the Vice President is doing that now.
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 13, 2011 09:20 PM (gJNMj)
Posted by: NC Ref at April 13, 2011 09:21 PM (/izg2)
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If all the people who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't pure enough HAD VOTED then we wouldn't be in this mess Kabob. We'd still be in a mess but not with this indonesian asshole. It's people like you who fuck the whole thing up notthose who vote against the communists.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:21 PM (hr4/M)
367
The budget also raises the debt ceiling every year, and it will be at
$23 trillion in 2021 according to the Republican budget.
Maybe I'm being simple here, but shouldn't we cut the debt?
I'll vote for the first congress critter who proposes lowering the debt ceiling.
$23 trillion in 2021 according to the Republican budget.
Maybe I'm being simple here, but shouldn't we cut the debt?
I'll vote for the first congress critter who proposes lowering the debt ceiling.
Posted by: fluffy at April 13, 2011 09:21 PM (SwkdU)
368
364
358 Much as I hate Bonds(and I really do),did we really need a federal prosecution?
I completely agree. Especially the Congressional hearings, crap.
358 Much as I hate Bonds(and I really do),did we really need a federal prosecution?
I completely agree. Especially the Congressional hearings, crap.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 09:21 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:21 PM (UQjUb)
370
I cut 38.5 billion calories from my diet - they actually started locking the twinkie factory doors.
Reichwing bastards!
Reichwing bastards!
Posted by: Michael Moore at April 13, 2011 09:22 PM (bgcml)
371
Faggot is the new n*gg*r.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:22 PM (wbQ8+)
372
But he pretty much walks away with no real punishment.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:19 PM (UQjUb)
Congress has no business dicking around in sports anyway.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:19 PM (UQjUb)
Congress has no business dicking around in sports anyway.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:22 PM (OgDRw)
373
Fags are an important sector of our society, you queers.
Posted by: Seethsewer at April 13, 2011 09:22 PM (FYCiJ)
374
oh, and in case you didn't hear: most of Barry Bonds' case was thrown out; he got found guilty on one count of acting like a jerk, or lying, or something.
But he pretty much walks away with no real punishment.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:19 PM (UQjUb)
Well it was a hung Jury on the other 3 charges, they were not thrown out. Not sure what the sentence might be for lying to the Grand Jury is? Anyway he ain't never getting into the Baseball Hall of Fame
But he pretty much walks away with no real punishment.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:19 PM (UQjUb)
Well it was a hung Jury on the other 3 charges, they were not thrown out. Not sure what the sentence might be for lying to the Grand Jury is? Anyway he ain't never getting into the Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 13, 2011 09:22 PM (7wmOW)
375
I know no one ever wants to hear this, but it gets HARDER to win elections in 2020 than today. A deficit that doesn't start to go away in 2020 is an absolute mess.
I can't imagine how there will be a viable coalition of conservative Republicans in 2020 stronger than there is now given the current demographic trends.
I know no one ever wants to hear this, but it gets HARDER to win elections in 2020 than today. A deficit that doesn't start to go away in 2020 is an absolute mess.
I can't imagine how there will be a viable coalition of conservative Republicans in 2020 stronger than there is now given the current demographic trends.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:22 PM (VoSja)
376
370 No,even though I hate him even more.Keeping them out of the HoF is good enough for me.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:23 PM (wbQ8+)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:24 PM (UQjUb)
378
Ah, this is just so sad. The $39 billion was pathetic. This is, what, the equivalent of not buying that second set of pencils until you really need them? ANY budget can trim this amount of fat. It's like declaring you saved the company because you deducted everyone's pay by $5 for the month.
There has got to be SOME way to spin this besides the complete fanboy bullshit.
There has got to be SOME way to spin this besides the complete fanboy bullshit.
Posted by: William at April 13, 2011 09:24 PM (+zM6M)
379
#367
My basic rule for voting is not to pick out the least stinky piece of shit out of the list and give him, or her, my vote. And McCandidate was pretty damned smelly.
My basic rule for voting is not to pick out the least stinky piece of shit out of the list and give him, or her, my vote. And McCandidate was pretty damned smelly.
Posted by: DngrMse at April 13, 2011 09:24 PM (aaW0M)
380
376 By 2020 they will think Idiocracy was prophecy come true.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:24 PM (wbQ8+)
381
344
I don't understand your
point a. He didn't handle a shutdown. The shutdown was an illusion.
He had no intention of allowing the government to shutdown and signaled
that to the Dems from the start. But that's because he thought (knew)
the other GOP congresscritters were backing him. If they pull their
support and present a united front, the government will shut down....
But that's my point, about the experiment. If you are a back-bencher and you don't trust Boehner, taking a chance on seeing how he'd respond without having an alternative plan of your own sounds rather difficult to me. Dr. Price taught the entire conference how to play it, but how do you make Boehner play it? Then there's the issue that whatever savings they got here is sliding down the drain more every day before this fiscal year will end September 30th. I would rather experiment with trillions of dollars once the conference has an alternative plan than take a gamble with Boehner right now. They have no one to replace him, they can't play this for him, and 2012 gets shot to Hell if he bombs entirely.
I don't understand your
point a. He didn't handle a shutdown. The shutdown was an illusion.
He had no intention of allowing the government to shutdown and signaled
that to the Dems from the start. But that's because he thought (knew)
the other GOP congresscritters were backing him. If they pull their
support and present a united front, the government will shut down....
But that's my point, about the experiment. If you are a back-bencher and you don't trust Boehner, taking a chance on seeing how he'd respond without having an alternative plan of your own sounds rather difficult to me. Dr. Price taught the entire conference how to play it, but how do you make Boehner play it? Then there's the issue that whatever savings they got here is sliding down the drain more every day before this fiscal year will end September 30th. I would rather experiment with trillions of dollars once the conference has an alternative plan than take a gamble with Boehner right now. They have no one to replace him, they can't play this for him, and 2012 gets shot to Hell if he bombs entirely.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:24 PM (uVLrI)
Posted by: ParisParamus at April 13, 2011 09:25 PM (bgSjf)
383
You liked Clinton then? Well we've had worse.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:20 PM (MtwBb)
No, I was 18 out of school and didn't know shit.
Why do you old bastards always assume the worst with us younger folks?
Oh nevermind, I know.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:20 PM (MtwBb)
No, I was 18 out of school and didn't know shit.
Why do you old bastards always assume the worst with us younger folks?
Oh nevermind, I know.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:25 PM (OgDRw)
384
378 Yes.When a jury is hung the judge declares a mistrial.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:26 PM (wbQ8+)
385
is a hung jury a mistrial?
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:24 PM (UQjUb)
On those charges
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:24 PM (UQjUb)
On those charges
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 13, 2011 09:26 PM (7wmOW)
386
If they up in Congress thought the 2009 townhalls on ObamaCare were rowdy, and the Republicans thought they had an easier time of it than the Dems, well:
1: You know, you know, you know you ain't seen nothing, yet. (Randy Bachman)
2: Wait'll we light up your world with our anger.
1: You know, you know, you know you ain't seen nothing, yet. (Randy Bachman)
2: Wait'll we light up your world with our anger.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 13, 2011 09:26 PM (XBM1t)
387
yep, I'm with some others, I decided yesterday that Rand Paul was our only hope.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 09:26 PM (Z1jiu)
388
372 OK, If one were a n-word and a faggot would that make them a figger or a naggot? We can just keep going till we ban every word in the fucking language.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:26 PM (cDRYC)
389
Is that too damn much to ask? Just one SOB with balls big enough to tell the damn truth?
http://tinyurl.com/3py3r8f
Paul. But you may not have him. He ain't running for POTUS.
http://tinyurl.com/3py3r8f
Paul. But you may not have him. He ain't running for POTUS.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (SwWT6)
390
Atlas Shruggedis a documentary.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (d0Tfm)
391
If all the people who wouldn't vote for McCain
because he wasn't pure enough HAD VOTED then we wouldn't be in this mess
Kabob. We'd still be in a mess but not with this indonesian asshole.
It's people like you who fuck the whole thing up notthose who vote
against the communists.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:21 PM (hr4/M)
Bull
McCain doomed his own campaign. Too many wanted "someone else," just like the "anyone but Obama" folks.
You can make it personal all you want, doesn't change the fact that not voting for someone who wants to turn this thing around means you own the ashes.
You.Own.Them. Not me.
And get off my lawn.
because he wasn't pure enough HAD VOTED then we wouldn't be in this mess
Kabob. We'd still be in a mess but not with this indonesian asshole.
It's people like you who fuck the whole thing up notthose who vote
against the communists.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:21 PM (hr4/M)
Bull
McCain doomed his own campaign. Too many wanted "someone else," just like the "anyone but Obama" folks.
You can make it personal all you want, doesn't change the fact that not voting for someone who wants to turn this thing around means you own the ashes.
You.Own.Them. Not me.
And get off my lawn.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (5ZF5G)
392
Why do you old bastards always assume the worst with us younger folks?
Barack Hussein Obama, mmm mmm mmm
Barack Hussein Obama, mmm mmm mmm
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (MtwBb)
393
389 That's the idea I think.PC by law,as in Europe.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (wbQ8+)
394
Does anybody recall what year the GOP was actually purchased by the Democrats?
Posted by: Taxed Up The Ass at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (wFMDa)
395
Regardless of how smelly our nominee is, I expect everyone who isn't batshit crazy to vote for him/her. We have to get rid of Obama and replace him with anybody. Whoever it is cannot be worse.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (hr4/M)
396
The Republicans are already sending out signals that the debt ceiling will not be an important vote. They can't make it an important vote because their own budget requires them to raise the debt ceiling for the next fifteen years.
It is all about the Ryan budget, the 2012 budget that we have access to now with the numbers above. Is this enough?
The Republicans are already sending out signals that the debt ceiling will not be an important vote. They can't make it an important vote because their own budget requires them to raise the debt ceiling for the next fifteen years.
It is all about the Ryan budget, the 2012 budget that we have access to now with the numbers above. Is this enough?
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (VoSja)
397
$359 million is 14,666,667 tanning sessions! That's not same, it's more of the change!
Posted by: Speaker Boehner's Tanning Bed at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (Ig+B0)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (aaW0M)
399
Still think I'm the dumb one in the GOP?
Posted by: Sarah P. at April 13, 2011 09:29 PM (MWXXs)
400
Does anybody recall what year the GOP was actually purchased by the Democrats?
Posted by: Taxed Up The Ass at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (wFMDa)
The same year the Democrats were sold to the communist party
Posted by: Taxed Up The Ass at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (wFMDa)
The same year the Democrats were sold to the communist party
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 13, 2011 09:29 PM (7wmOW)
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 13, 2011 09:29 PM (dT+/n)
402
393, Biggest impact in fewest words. You are so right.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:29 PM (cDRYC)
403
354 I don't want to sit around and wonder what the hell happened. I want
someone with a fucking brain in their head to come out and tell us
exactafuckinglackly what this damn bill entails. No bullshit. No
worrying about the next election. The simple unadulterated truth.
Is that too damn much to ask? Just one SOB with balls big enough to
tell the damn truth?
I'm not 100% sure any of them have read it at this point. Here's the link to the actual bill- HR 1473. A majority of the first part is defense spending.
someone with a fucking brain in their head to come out and tell us
exactafuckinglackly what this damn bill entails. No bullshit. No
worrying about the next election. The simple unadulterated truth.
Is that too damn much to ask? Just one SOB with balls big enough to
tell the damn truth?
I'm not 100% sure any of them have read it at this point. Here's the link to the actual bill- HR 1473. A majority of the first part is defense spending.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:29 PM (uVLrI)
404
389 372 OK, If one were a n-word and a faggot would that make them a figger or a naggot?
It would make him Barry Obama.
It would make him Barry Obama.
Posted by: Taxed Up The Ass at April 13, 2011 09:29 PM (wFMDa)
405
Kabob---go ahead. Vote Obama or stay home. You own it. Enjoy the epic fail of the experiment.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:30 PM (hr4/M)
406
Which Moron will be the first to get in the national news for using Monopoly money to pay federal income taxes?
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 13, 2011 09:30 PM (XBM1t)
407
I think I'll watch "A Boy and His Dog" to cheer up.
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (dT+/n)
408
147
I was talking to this liberal commie pinko jerk the other day and said when you going to wake up when they start building the Cadillac in China? Of course he said that will never happen the union would not do that to it's people. Oh I laughed so hard then stopped and was somewhat saddened that the union brothers and sisters are really being lied too. So are we but al least we are aware who these people are.
I was talking to this liberal commie pinko jerk the other day and said when you going to wake up when they start building the Cadillac in China? Of course he said that will never happen the union would not do that to it's people. Oh I laughed so hard then stopped and was somewhat saddened that the union brothers and sisters are really being lied too. So are we but al least we are aware who these people are.
Posted by: lions at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (7AqyC)
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (5ZF5G)
410
If the Ryan budget is considered too extreme, why didn't they first offer a dummy budget that would make the Ryan budget seem like a compromise?
Maybe they shoulda proposed something like Rand Paul's budget first and then trotted out Paul Ryan's.
If the Ryan budget is considered too extreme, why didn't they first offer a dummy budget that would make the Ryan budget seem like a compromise?
Maybe they shoulda proposed something like Rand Paul's budget first and then trotted out Paul Ryan's.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (g73jP)
411
But don't forget DeMint.
He's been being Rand Paul in the Senate longer than Paul has.
Some ideological differences. Not great ones, certainly on the same team, but they aren't clones. They are both stand up Senators of the first caliber.
Sessions, Coburn, they ain't chopped liver.
Although I happen to like chopped liver, it is very tasty... grill it up with some onions... quite a treat.
But... at the end of the day, you got yourselves maybe a half dozen to a dozen worth keeping, tops. The rest have to be axed, or scared straight by threat of same.
But don't forget to support the ones you got.
He's been being Rand Paul in the Senate longer than Paul has.
Some ideological differences. Not great ones, certainly on the same team, but they aren't clones. They are both stand up Senators of the first caliber.
Sessions, Coburn, they ain't chopped liver.
Although I happen to like chopped liver, it is very tasty... grill it up with some onions... quite a treat.
But... at the end of the day, you got yourselves maybe a half dozen to a dozen worth keeping, tops. The rest have to be axed, or scared straight by threat of same.
But don't forget to support the ones you got.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (SwWT6)
412
All you morons who keep trotting out the usual RINO suspects fail to realize that in like every credible and non-credible polling thing, the Jug-Eared Average Golfer beats them all.
Dear Golfer is underwater in Wis, Penn, and Florida on approval/disapproval and yet we keep trottin' out the same limp-dicked back benchers like Romney, HuckaFox, T-Paw, Newt, et al.......I have no fucking clue who it is, but teh bigger-clinger to beat ObaMao in the Mayan year 01 has yet to be named.
And that's our problem. Unless we find and polish this gem, our country will not exist by the end of Soetero's 2nd term. (And yes, I didn't say last......)
Dear Golfer is underwater in Wis, Penn, and Florida on approval/disapproval and yet we keep trottin' out the same limp-dicked back benchers like Romney, HuckaFox, T-Paw, Newt, et al.......I have no fucking clue who it is, but teh bigger-clinger to beat ObaMao in the Mayan year 01 has yet to be named.
And that's our problem. Unless we find and polish this gem, our country will not exist by the end of Soetero's 2nd term. (And yes, I didn't say last......)
Posted by: theadmiral at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (fGbHT)
413
@382
Any GOP congresscritter who votes for this crap sandwich when they could instead force Obama to play his cards should consider his/her seat at risk. The back-benchers especially. Boehner, Cantor, and the 'leaders' will get supported by the RNC. The ones who will lose their seats are the newbies and lower-ranking congressfolks. It's just how it will go.
They'd be stupid to vote for this non-compromise compromise.
Look, I'm not a big one for pointing fingers at the entrenched establishment and thinking they're all out to get us (and out to grab as much power and moolah as they can get). I think there's a lot of risk to pinning our hopes on a bunch of neophytes. (Mike Lee is my senator and the guy is dumb as a bag of rocks.) Congress is a complicated place, so I thought there was a place for seasoned Reps (and Senators). But when a veteran like Boehner gets rolled and doesn't even have honor to look us in the eye and tell us that's what happened -- instead telling us all that we're delusional or stupid or whatever -- well, that's the best argument for term limits I can think of.
Any GOP congresscritter who votes for this crap sandwich when they could instead force Obama to play his cards should consider his/her seat at risk. The back-benchers especially. Boehner, Cantor, and the 'leaders' will get supported by the RNC. The ones who will lose their seats are the newbies and lower-ranking congressfolks. It's just how it will go.
They'd be stupid to vote for this non-compromise compromise.
Look, I'm not a big one for pointing fingers at the entrenched establishment and thinking they're all out to get us (and out to grab as much power and moolah as they can get). I think there's a lot of risk to pinning our hopes on a bunch of neophytes. (Mike Lee is my senator and the guy is dumb as a bag of rocks.) Congress is a complicated place, so I thought there was a place for seasoned Reps (and Senators). But when a veteran like Boehner gets rolled and doesn't even have honor to look us in the eye and tell us that's what happened -- instead telling us all that we're delusional or stupid or whatever -- well, that's the best argument for term limits I can think of.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (pW2o8)
414
405, I wondered how long the ball would be on the tee before someone hit it.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (cDRYC)
415
Erik, Get off my lawn!
but first will you weedwack the flower beds?
but first will you weedwack the flower beds?
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 09:32 PM (h+qn8)
416
Barack Hussein Obama, mmm mmm mmm
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (MtwBb)
Fuck that. Minorities within the outerbelt vote for gubmint to subsidize their laziness.
Country folk work for a living.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:27 PM (MtwBb)
Fuck that. Minorities within the outerbelt vote for gubmint to subsidize their laziness.
Country folk work for a living.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:33 PM (OgDRw)
417
41
I'm so fucking pissed right now. Guess what I got in the mail today? A
happy little letter from the IRS telling me that I somehow owe them
about 500 dollars from 2009. Any suggestions?
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (+yOWy)
Call Wesley Snipes. He has a really good plan I saw in an infomercial.
I'm so fucking pissed right now. Guess what I got in the mail today? A
happy little letter from the IRS telling me that I somehow owe them
about 500 dollars from 2009. Any suggestions?
Posted by: Lauren at April 13, 2011 07:56 PM (+yOWy)
Call Wesley Snipes. He has a really good plan I saw in an infomercial.
Posted by: Marcus at April 13, 2011 09:34 PM (ktK6U)
418
It is all about the Ryan budget, the 2012 budget that we have access to now with the numbers above. Is this enough?
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (VoSja)
I don't know, probably not. The bond market is already spooked and even if it wasn't how long can you have 2% interest rates?
It will take all of Ryans cuts and then after those are nailed down a tax increase.
I'll tell you what I would be for tomorrow. Let all the Bush tax cuts expire and $1.4 Trillion in cuts. That would get us started on paying off this debt instead of adding to it.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (VoSja)
I don't know, probably not. The bond market is already spooked and even if it wasn't how long can you have 2% interest rates?
It will take all of Ryans cuts and then after those are nailed down a tax increase.
I'll tell you what I would be for tomorrow. Let all the Bush tax cuts expire and $1.4 Trillion in cuts. That would get us started on paying off this debt instead of adding to it.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:34 PM (MtwBb)
419
BTW, The info I shared on the Chinese purchased of GM was an april fools joke. They got me.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:34 PM (cDRYC)
420
Ryan's budget is what the Republicans want. I don't think this is close to enoughmainly because the real debt and deficit reductionrelies on so many things happening decades in the future.
We won't even get that though. We are going to get some compromise with the Senate and White House.
Ryan's budget is what the Republicans want. I don't think this is close to enoughmainly because the real debt and deficit reductionrelies on so many things happening decades in the future.
We won't even get that though. We are going to get some compromise with the Senate and White House.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:34 PM (VoSja)
421
Dear Golfer is underwater in Wis, Penn, and Florida
on approval/disapproval and yet we keep trottin' out the same
limp-dicked back benchers like Romney, HuckaFox, T-Paw, Newt, et
al.......I have no fucking clue who it is, but teh bigger-clinger to
beat ObaMao in the Mayan year 01 has yet to be named.
And that's
our problem. Unless we find and polish this gem, our country will not
exist by the end of Soetero's 2nd term. (And yes, I didn't say
last......)
Posted by: theadmiral at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (fGbHT)
Lotta air in this room, need it sucked out?
on approval/disapproval and yet we keep trottin' out the same
limp-dicked back benchers like Romney, HuckaFox, T-Paw, Newt, et
al.......I have no fucking clue who it is, but teh bigger-clinger to
beat ObaMao in the Mayan year 01 has yet to be named.
And that's
our problem. Unless we find and polish this gem, our country will not
exist by the end of Soetero's 2nd term. (And yes, I didn't say
last......)
Posted by: theadmiral at April 13, 2011 09:31 PM (fGbHT)
Lotta air in this room, need it sucked out?
Posted by: Sarah P. at April 13, 2011 09:35 PM (MWXXs)
422
Erik, Get off my lawn!
but first will you weedwack the flower beds?
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 09:32 PM (h+qn
Sure, but I'm expensive!
but first will you weedwack the flower beds?
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 09:32 PM (h+qn
Sure, but I'm expensive!
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:35 PM (OgDRw)
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 13, 2011 09:35 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at April 13, 2011 09:35 PM (g73jP)
425
406
Kabob---go ahead. Vote Obama or stay home. You own it. Enjoy the epic fail of the experiment.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:30 PM (hr4/M)
Stay at home, my ass. I'm working for, giving money to, and voting for a Constitutional Conservative who isn't going to play the same game we've had with Bush I, Bush II, and the lame critters in the "R" leadership today.
You continue with that "Compassionate Conservatism" experiment that's led to this mess, if you want. You vote for more of the shzt that's going down now if you want. You vote for "whoever isn't Obama" if you want.
What you'll get is either Obama, or someone so much like him it doesn't freaking matter.
Enjoy the slide down into the pit, because the bottom won't be fun.
Kabob---go ahead. Vote Obama or stay home. You own it. Enjoy the epic fail of the experiment.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:30 PM (hr4/M)
Stay at home, my ass. I'm working for, giving money to, and voting for a Constitutional Conservative who isn't going to play the same game we've had with Bush I, Bush II, and the lame critters in the "R" leadership today.
You continue with that "Compassionate Conservatism" experiment that's led to this mess, if you want. You vote for more of the shzt that's going down now if you want. You vote for "whoever isn't Obama" if you want.
What you'll get is either Obama, or someone so much like him it doesn't freaking matter.
Enjoy the slide down into the pit, because the bottom won't be fun.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 09:36 PM (5ZF5G)
426
#419
This is the problem for me. It takes Ryan's cuts AND no political changes in the law for three presidential terms, mulitple House and Senate changes. This is just madness to me.
We can't trust the Republicans to do a budget right for a year, but we trust an unknown government to make the right choices fifteen years from now? The Ryan plan requires everyone to hope that the economy grows at a rapid pace and the best case scenario happens with Medicare and Medicaid.
I don't think we have the freedom to leave so much to chance.
#419
This is the problem for me. It takes Ryan's cuts AND no political changes in the law for three presidential terms, mulitple House and Senate changes. This is just madness to me.
We can't trust the Republicans to do a budget right for a year, but we trust an unknown government to make the right choices fifteen years from now? The Ryan plan requires everyone to hope that the economy grows at a rapid pace and the best case scenario happens with Medicare and Medicaid.
I don't think we have the freedom to leave so much to chance.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:37 PM (VoSja)
427
tar feather rope gunpowder - these people suck
Posted by: Jones at April 13, 2011 09:37 PM (cUNcx)
428
Whoever it is cannot be worse.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (hr4/M)
Hell, I'd vote for the rent is to damn high guy. Let obama do back to chicago and squeeze the fruit.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (hr4/M)
Hell, I'd vote for the rent is to damn high guy. Let obama do back to chicago and squeeze the fruit.
Posted by: Art Vandelay at April 13, 2011 09:38 PM (vm272)
429
that $352million is like more than a dollar per person. WOOOO HOOOOOO
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 13, 2011 09:38 PM (54F2e)
430
Here's the link to the actual bill-HR 1473. A majority of the first part is defense spending.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:29 PM (uVLrI)
Thanks!
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:29 PM (uVLrI)
Thanks!
Posted by: Steph, Sith apprentice on bended knee at April 13, 2011 09:38 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 13, 2011 09:38 PM (mHQ7T)
432
Does anybody recall what year the GOP was actually purchased by the Democrats?
I'll take 1989 for $500, Alex.
I'll take 1989 for $500, Alex.
Posted by: George H. W. Bush at April 13, 2011 09:38 PM (vbh31)
433
Ilove dis fuckin' guy
Ryan on Obama: “He’s basically a pyromaniac in a field of straw men”
Ryan on Obama: “He’s basically a pyromaniac in a field of straw men”
Posted by: No Soy Paco at April 13, 2011 09:38 PM (AnTyA)
434
#426
I'm sorry. You are exactly right. Ryan's budget is what the a largenumber of conservatives in the Republican Party want.
It is unclear that this budget that defers so much to future legislative and executive leaders because of relatively few cuts today could even pass with a majority in the current House.
#426
I'm sorry. You are exactly right. Ryan's budget is what the a largenumber of conservatives in the Republican Party want.
It is unclear that this budget that defers so much to future legislative and executive leaders because of relatively few cuts today could even pass with a majority in the current House.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:38 PM (VoSja)
435
Fuck that. Minorities within the outerbelt vote for gubmint to subsidize their laziness.
Country folk work for a living.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:33 PM (OgDRw)
Yeah they did, along with 69% of the voters 18 to 29.
http://tinyurl.com/6xplzd
Country folk work for a living.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:33 PM (OgDRw)
Yeah they did, along with 69% of the voters 18 to 29.
http://tinyurl.com/6xplzd
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:39 PM (MtwBb)
436
We have political leaders who out and out lie to us and noone calls them on it.Noone important.This is not what the founding fathers intended of the "free press".How many outright lies in the presidents speech today?How many about the budget deal?Does the truth not matter anymore,only politics?
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:41 PM (wbQ8+)
437
437, No shit. I was taking some classes at a college during the election and I begged those fucking kids, "please listen he's not real". It reminded me of Stephen Kings "The Raft" when they saw the pretty colors and got sucked into the black blob.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 13, 2011 09:42 PM (cDRYC)
438
363 #350 Exactly, and this is what my other comment was about. We
have to wait over a decade to see any serious reduction and that
reduction is supposed to come in the form of a voucher Medicare program...
Four things:
(1) Outside analysis from multiple conservative say Ryan's plan works. His Roadmap does it better and faster but he only ever received 13 sponsors. Most everyone else is allergic to it because it's "radical".
(2) The reason you don't see more cuts than Ryan propose is in part because of things like the Mulvaney Amendment. During debate on HR 1, there was a vote on taking back spending levels to '06; only 93 lawmakers voted aye. It was discussed a few more times but the conference never endorsed it.
(3) They are treading very lightly with regards to entitlements b/c people are afraid of losing their seats. It took Ryan several months to earn the privilege of addressing entitlements, he's educated the conference, but they're still wary.
(4) Ryan has staked his career on this. I fully expect he'll soon have another full set of knives in his back soon but his colleagues on Budget will go down fighting with him-- especially the freshmen.
have to wait over a decade to see any serious reduction and that
reduction is supposed to come in the form of a voucher Medicare program...
Four things:
(1) Outside analysis from multiple conservative say Ryan's plan works. His Roadmap does it better and faster but he only ever received 13 sponsors. Most everyone else is allergic to it because it's "radical".
(2) The reason you don't see more cuts than Ryan propose is in part because of things like the Mulvaney Amendment. During debate on HR 1, there was a vote on taking back spending levels to '06; only 93 lawmakers voted aye. It was discussed a few more times but the conference never endorsed it.
(3) They are treading very lightly with regards to entitlements b/c people are afraid of losing their seats. It took Ryan several months to earn the privilege of addressing entitlements, he's educated the conference, but they're still wary.
(4) Ryan has staked his career on this. I fully expect he'll soon have another full set of knives in his back soon but his colleagues on Budget will go down fighting with him-- especially the freshmen.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:42 PM (uVLrI)
439
That's estimating the amount of public debt, which was revised after Heritage re-released their report. While the levels of debt keep rising due to mandatory spending levels, you'll see that they drop significantly outside the budget window. This is Heritage's analysis.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby
Didn't Ryan indicate that there would be other votes to cap entitlements like Social Security? This "scoring" would not account for that, I think?
Taki it away!
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby
Didn't Ryan indicate that there would be other votes to cap entitlements like Social Security? This "scoring" would not account for that, I think?
Taki it away!
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at April 13, 2011 09:43 PM (sJTmU)
440
see the republicans and the IMF and the rest of the world see the approaching tsunami
the democrats see the water receding and all the animals running for the hills and think to themselves "oh man I gotta go see this, that's too kewl that the water is slowly pulling out like that, geez why are the animals running and those republicans, why are they in the mountains or above the fifth floor, that's weird they should be down here watching the ocean phenomena"
the democrats see the water receding and all the animals running for the hills and think to themselves "oh man I gotta go see this, that's too kewl that the water is slowly pulling out like that, geez why are the animals running and those republicans, why are they in the mountains or above the fifth floor, that's weird they should be down here watching the ocean phenomena"
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:43 PM (k1rwm)
441
Classic GOP geniusry:
"We're going to cut $100 billion."
"100 billion is unrealistic, so we're going for $61 billion."
"Actually it's $38 billion, but the reason we dropped it was because the debt limit is going to be the real battle. We'll cut tons there."
Here's what will happen next:
"We'll agree to raise the debt limit, but only if we get some serious concessions on spending."
"OK, we couldn't afford to potentially destroy the country by holding up a vote to raise the debt limit, so we had to drop our demands, but that's OK because the real battle is the Ryan budget."
"Well, we couldn't afford to fight over the Ryan budget, so what this really proves is that we can't get the kind of reform we need until we have the Senate and the White House."
And for people who actually believe that last one, which party controlled the White House and both branches of Congress from 2001-2006?
"We're going to cut $100 billion."
"100 billion is unrealistic, so we're going for $61 billion."
"Actually it's $38 billion, but the reason we dropped it was because the debt limit is going to be the real battle. We'll cut tons there."
Here's what will happen next:
"We'll agree to raise the debt limit, but only if we get some serious concessions on spending."
"OK, we couldn't afford to potentially destroy the country by holding up a vote to raise the debt limit, so we had to drop our demands, but that's OK because the real battle is the Ryan budget."
"Well, we couldn't afford to fight over the Ryan budget, so what this really proves is that we can't get the kind of reform we need until we have the Senate and the White House."
And for people who actually believe that last one, which party controlled the White House and both branches of Congress from 2001-2006?
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 13, 2011 09:44 PM (GEPoZ)
442
Here's some more comforting information for you:
According to several articles from 9/2010, 1/6 of Americans receive some sort of federal assistance. This does not include those with Pell Grants, government loans, federally funded unemployment benefits, social security, etc.
The simple fact is that we have become a parasitic society. Aside from the amount of government checks that get cut each month, you need to take into account the subsidies on nearly ever commodity that we purchase. Our entire global market is distorted by these subsidies and businesses that should have evolved or failed generations ago continue to be propped up.
That is why, even if it were possible to replace every worthless, scumbag criminal in DC eliminate the entire, unfathomable infrastructure that has developed around the corruption and fraud of Washington, we still cannot fix the problem.
Generations ago, when the first corn farmer got a government check to subsidize his failing farm, because of the "potential impact to food prices" was when this needed to be fixed. That farmer should have gone out of business and we should have paid 10 cents more for corn. That would have opened the door for free market innovation which would ultimately have stabilized, then reduced the price of corn.
We have compounded this error millions of times over in every corner of the globe at this point. Absolutely nothing you buy is worth what you pay for it, one way or another. Profits are, for the most part, only redistributed taxes, then we are taxing that.
The problem goes beyond politics. We are living in an completely false, global economy and every man, woman, and child on earth is dependent on the farce remaining intact, even though it is unsustainable to it's core and always has been.
There is only one solution. The entire bubble must burst, just like the dot com bubble and the housing bubble (which is still grossly inflated, thanks to our intervention). The result of this burst will be catastrophic but, just like the small bubbles I mentioned, it will also result in an immediate return to sanity and reason.
Everyone in DC, regardless of what letter comes after their name, sees it as their sworn duty to avoid this collapse. It cannot be avoided, only delayed. We had an opportunity in 2008 to make massive progress toward sanity with the housing and banking failures, but we refused to accept that catastrophic failure is both necessary and rational. None of them will stop spending and borrowing and spending more because if they do, it means that our artificial reality ends.
Until we accept that an end to life as we know it is not the same as the end of life; and we realize that the end of life as we know it is actually a good thing, we are doomed.
According to several articles from 9/2010, 1/6 of Americans receive some sort of federal assistance. This does not include those with Pell Grants, government loans, federally funded unemployment benefits, social security, etc.
The simple fact is that we have become a parasitic society. Aside from the amount of government checks that get cut each month, you need to take into account the subsidies on nearly ever commodity that we purchase. Our entire global market is distorted by these subsidies and businesses that should have evolved or failed generations ago continue to be propped up.
That is why, even if it were possible to replace every worthless, scumbag criminal in DC eliminate the entire, unfathomable infrastructure that has developed around the corruption and fraud of Washington, we still cannot fix the problem.
Generations ago, when the first corn farmer got a government check to subsidize his failing farm, because of the "potential impact to food prices" was when this needed to be fixed. That farmer should have gone out of business and we should have paid 10 cents more for corn. That would have opened the door for free market innovation which would ultimately have stabilized, then reduced the price of corn.
We have compounded this error millions of times over in every corner of the globe at this point. Absolutely nothing you buy is worth what you pay for it, one way or another. Profits are, for the most part, only redistributed taxes, then we are taxing that.
The problem goes beyond politics. We are living in an completely false, global economy and every man, woman, and child on earth is dependent on the farce remaining intact, even though it is unsustainable to it's core and always has been.
There is only one solution. The entire bubble must burst, just like the dot com bubble and the housing bubble (which is still grossly inflated, thanks to our intervention). The result of this burst will be catastrophic but, just like the small bubbles I mentioned, it will also result in an immediate return to sanity and reason.
Everyone in DC, regardless of what letter comes after their name, sees it as their sworn duty to avoid this collapse. It cannot be avoided, only delayed. We had an opportunity in 2008 to make massive progress toward sanity with the housing and banking failures, but we refused to accept that catastrophic failure is both necessary and rational. None of them will stop spending and borrowing and spending more because if they do, it means that our artificial reality ends.
Until we accept that an end to life as we know it is not the same as the end of life; and we realize that the end of life as we know it is actually a good thing, we are doomed.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 09:44 PM (3nrx7)
443
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Posted by: Escarpins pas cher at April 13, 2011 09:44 PM (VD+oS)
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Prepare to be Justified.
That is all.
That is all.
Posted by: USA at April 13, 2011 09:45 PM (YZISw)
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I'll take Ryan's proposal (thayy, theeetie!), since that's the best we've got now.
But if they keep letting Obamacare ride, I'd work hard to remove Ryan himself if that's what it takes to kill the damned thing.
But if they keep letting Obamacare ride, I'd work hard to remove Ryan himself if that's what it takes to kill the damned thing.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 09:45 PM (5ZF5G)
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The only new spending I want to hear about is funding for the first Golgafrincham Ark.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 09:45 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Steph, Sith apprentice on bended knee at April 13, 2011 09:46 PM (AkdC5)
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I honestly don't know what to say or do to express my true feelings over this latest example of how both sides are full of statist who don't see government as the problem...they just don't and that's not changing.
Now, I realize comments about blood and revolutions and revolts etc make people all squeamish and nervous. I'm not wishing harm, threatening harm, inciting harm, or promoting or violence on any particular person(s).
Having said that, there will be blood. At some point in the future, unless someone in Washington gets a clue and a sac and really starts making tough and right decisions, there will be violent backlash or counter-backlash and blood will flow.
The only questions are when and what's the final spark that ignites the fire.
Now, I realize comments about blood and revolutions and revolts etc make people all squeamish and nervous. I'm not wishing harm, threatening harm, inciting harm, or promoting or violence on any particular person(s).
Having said that, there will be blood. At some point in the future, unless someone in Washington gets a clue and a sac and really starts making tough and right decisions, there will be violent backlash or counter-backlash and blood will flow.
The only questions are when and what's the final spark that ignites the fire.
Posted by: The Hammer at April 13, 2011 09:46 PM (32ubA)
449
Heh. Check out the current pic and caption on Drudge.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 09:46 PM (Z1jiu)
450
Teh Fred bringing teh funny on Twitter:
MSNBC's Matthews:Ryan budget plan would "kill half the people that watch this show." That's terrible. Hope his other viewer will be ok.
MSNBC's Matthews:Ryan budget plan would "kill half the people that watch this show." That's terrible. Hope his other viewer will be ok.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at April 13, 2011 09:48 PM (vIWL2)
451
Washington DC local radio today: rapturous announcements that Montgomery County and Alexandria County just got awarded with new billions in free, federal highway funds! Local congressman, Jim Moran (Hellspawn - VA), calls it a significant win for all the locals (federales & their dependents all!).
Then, in a shockingly uncharacteristic move, these same locals expressed a desire for the new Metro stop at Dulles airport to be build above ground. To save billions of dollars. The planners aren't happy about that and vow to keep on with the below-ground model. After all, it's free money!
That's how Washington, DC greets this new era of belt-tightening!
Then, in a shockingly uncharacteristic move, these same locals expressed a desire for the new Metro stop at Dulles airport to be build above ground. To save billions of dollars. The planners aren't happy about that and vow to keep on with the below-ground model. After all, it's free money!
That's how Washington, DC greets this new era of belt-tightening!
Posted by: Cowboy at April 13, 2011 09:48 PM (g9AYc)
Posted by: Monkey's Uncle at April 13, 2011 09:48 PM (JEvSn)
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Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:39 PM (MtwBb)
I'm teaching my nieces to respect God and be hard workers.
They're young and don't give half a shit right now but they have an edge up on the rest of the competition!
I'm teaching my nieces to respect God and be hard workers.
They're young and don't give half a shit right now but they have an edge up on the rest of the competition!
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:50 PM (OgDRw)
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Y-not,
Boehner didn't get rolled. He knew EXACTLY what was going on. This shit isn't complicated. That's the excuse they give you every time you find their finger in your ass.
This shit is simple.
We have $3.7 trillion dollars to spend. That's it. All the shit you want - you can't have it. All the shit you've become used to getting? You get less.
The problem is that no one wants to take their fucking medicine. Nobody wants to experience the slightest discomfort, let alone pain. This is a nation of fucking PUSSIES who elect other pussies to keep the fucking Vagisil flowing.
One man. Just ONE fucking man to say "I don't give a fuck about the party leadership. We were elected to fix this shit."
We need a splinter group within the GOP who can command enough votes to MAKE these professional cocksuckers listen. What good are these Tea Party candidates if they don't have the balls to make their influence felt?
Boehner didn't get rolled. He knew EXACTLY what was going on. This shit isn't complicated. That's the excuse they give you every time you find their finger in your ass.
This shit is simple.
We have $3.7 trillion dollars to spend. That's it. All the shit you want - you can't have it. All the shit you've become used to getting? You get less.
The problem is that no one wants to take their fucking medicine. Nobody wants to experience the slightest discomfort, let alone pain. This is a nation of fucking PUSSIES who elect other pussies to keep the fucking Vagisil flowing.
One man. Just ONE fucking man to say "I don't give a fuck about the party leadership. We were elected to fix this shit."
We need a splinter group within the GOP who can command enough votes to MAKE these professional cocksuckers listen. What good are these Tea Party candidates if they don't have the balls to make their influence felt?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 13, 2011 09:50 PM (Y0wFY)
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396
Regardless of how smelly our nominee is, I expect everyone who isn't
batshit crazy to vote for him/her. We have to get rid of Obama and
replace him with anybody. Whoever it is cannot be worse.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (hr4/M)
Cannot be worse? Sure. I agree with that.
The problem is that all probable alternatives are the opposite side of the same coin and just as bad.
Regardless of how smelly our nominee is, I expect everyone who isn't
batshit crazy to vote for him/her. We have to get rid of Obama and
replace him with anybody. Whoever it is cannot be worse.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (hr4/M)
Cannot be worse? Sure. I agree with that.
The problem is that all probable alternatives are the opposite side of the same coin and just as bad.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 09:50 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Travis Bickle at April 13, 2011 09:50 PM (SwkdU)
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#440
Ryan may very well be our best hope in the House, and I sincerely believe that he has a bright future. He is a great spokesman for fiscal conservatism.
That said, the plan relies on the idea that political leaders for the next half-century are going to follow his plan. In the short-term when Republicans actually have political control, they aren't going to cut much. I don't think Ryan intends the plan to be like this on purpose, but it provides political cover for Republicans to play budget games until the 'real' cuts are supposed to happen.
I completely agree with you on Ryan being still in an extremely precarious position in his own party. It is still very likely (maybe even more likely than not) that he is pushed to the side for 'electability' concerns among Republican House members. Many House members are going to distance themselves from Ryan because of the Medicare portion of his plan alone.
I'm just terribly skeptical of a plan that pushes so much of the heavy lifting to future elections and electoral leaders where we have less reason to expect success.
#440
Ryan may very well be our best hope in the House, and I sincerely believe that he has a bright future. He is a great spokesman for fiscal conservatism.
That said, the plan relies on the idea that political leaders for the next half-century are going to follow his plan. In the short-term when Republicans actually have political control, they aren't going to cut much. I don't think Ryan intends the plan to be like this on purpose, but it provides political cover for Republicans to play budget games until the 'real' cuts are supposed to happen.
I completely agree with you on Ryan being still in an extremely precarious position in his own party. It is still very likely (maybe even more likely than not) that he is pushed to the side for 'electability' concerns among Republican House members. Many House members are going to distance themselves from Ryan because of the Medicare portion of his plan alone.
I'm just terribly skeptical of a plan that pushes so much of the heavy lifting to future elections and electoral leaders where we have less reason to expect success.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:51 PM (VoSja)
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They're young and don't give half a shit right now but they have an edge up on the rest of the competition!
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:50 PM (OgDRw)
Good, I hope you teach them voting has consquences too because they are going to be the ones paying for all this crap.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 09:50 PM (OgDRw)
Good, I hope you teach them voting has consquences too because they are going to be the ones paying for all this crap.
Posted by: robtr at April 13, 2011 09:51 PM (MtwBb)
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It's not even a bubble.Let's call it a pustule,the answer is the same,it must burst.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (wbQ8+)
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The only new spending I want to hear about is funding for the first Golgafrincham Ark.
We better have good berths.
We better have good berths.
Posted by: Telephone Sanitizers Local #538 at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (SwkdU)
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So when do we impeach O blowme. I think he can be tried for treason.
Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (oNphh)
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420 - I would have believed it - didn't the Germans just buy the NYSE? or was that another joke?
Posted by: gesc at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (9h7jT)
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (dT+/n)
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We need a splinter group within the GOP who can
command enough votes to MAKE these professional cocksuckers listen. What
good are these Tea Party candidates if they don't have the balls to
make their influence felt?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 13, 2011 09:50 PM (Y0wFY)
How you doin'?
command enough votes to MAKE these professional cocksuckers listen. What
good are these Tea Party candidates if they don't have the balls to
make their influence felt?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 13, 2011 09:50 PM (Y0wFY)
How you doin'?
Posted by: Huckabee Voters at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (5ZF5G)
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Montgomery County and Fairfax Alexandria County
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (hr4/M)
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Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 09:45 PM (5ZF5G)
Ryan's proposal is not the best we have. Rand Paul's budget is the best we have. The republicans, however, have decided to avoid Rand Paul's budget just like they avoided Paul Ryan's budget and he was forced to make the rounds and shove it in their face.
Ryan's proposal is not the best we have. Rand Paul's budget is the best we have. The republicans, however, have decided to avoid Rand Paul's budget just like they avoided Paul Ryan's budget and he was forced to make the rounds and shove it in their face.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:53 PM (k1rwm)
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"We'll agree to raise the debt limit, but only if we get some serious concessions on spending."
"OK,
we couldn't afford to potentially destroy the country by holding up a
vote to raise the debt limit, so we had to drop our demands, but that's
OK because the real battle is the Ryan budget."
"Well, we couldn't
afford to fight over the Ryan budget, so what this really proves is that
we can't get the kind of reform we need until we have the Senate and
the White House."
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 13, 2011 09:44 PM (GEPoZ)
Indeed. The Ryan budget is a red herring to distract us while they
fuck us on the current budget and the debt limit. It will not pass and
the GOP has no intention of passing it. If they were serious about
passing it they would roll the rest of 2011 into it and pass it now.
"OK,
we couldn't afford to potentially destroy the country by holding up a
vote to raise the debt limit, so we had to drop our demands, but that's
OK because the real battle is the Ryan budget."
"Well, we couldn't
afford to fight over the Ryan budget, so what this really proves is that
we can't get the kind of reform we need until we have the Senate and
the White House."
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 13, 2011 09:44 PM (GEPoZ)
Indeed. The Ryan budget is a red herring to distract us while they
fuck us on the current budget and the debt limit. It will not pass and
the GOP has no intention of passing it. If they were serious about
passing it they would roll the rest of 2011 into it and pass it now.
Posted by: schizoid at April 13, 2011 09:53 PM (hdbRc)
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@22: "I am thinking it is almost third party time folks."
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't be hasty. Let's give the GOP another 151 years and see what they do with it. We wouldn't want to jump the gun or anything
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't be hasty. Let's give the GOP another 151 years and see what they do with it. We wouldn't want to jump the gun or anything
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 13, 2011 09:53 PM (xy9wk)
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This song by School of Fish called 'Rose Colored Glasses' is exactly the way I think Dems and mouth breathers think/feel about Obama's Presidency. They elected a black man that promised them things and promised them hope. No matter the truth, they will not accept reality. That is why we are truly boned. They look at these past few years (and their own circumstances) through rose colored glasses (I changed the 'she' to Obama):
Everyone is standing 'round
Waiting for their high
You feel the world turn upside down
When you step inside
Need a drink of water
To keep you standing up
Right now she (Obama) means everything
And you're not enough
Now you're here again
'Cause it had you convinced
That you were part of something
You haven't found since
See her (Obama) making tracks
For somewhere far away
Think that you might join her (Obama)
If she'd he'd let you stay
--Chorus--
Everything looks good
And if it don't you twist it right
Everything you see you see tonight
Through rose colored glasses
Finally you speak
The truth comes out
And your world is inflated
'Cause it's all you think about
You can't stop staring
You don't want to ask
With everthing in common
It won't last
--Chorus--
Through rose colored glasses
Half alive you step inside
Your helium balloon
It's the only way
To rise above the room
It's temporary
The colors getting soft
The groove goes on forever
Only you can get you off
Everyone is standing 'round
Waiting for their high
You feel the world turn upside down
When you step inside
Need a drink of water
To keep you standing up
Right now she (Obama) means everything
And you're not enough
Now you're here again
'Cause it had you convinced
That you were part of something
You haven't found since
See her (Obama) making tracks
For somewhere far away
Think that you might join her (Obama)
If she'd he'd let you stay
--Chorus--
Everything looks good
And if it don't you twist it right
Everything you see you see tonight
Through rose colored glasses
Finally you speak
The truth comes out
And your world is inflated
'Cause it's all you think about
You can't stop staring
You don't want to ask
With everthing in common
It won't last
--Chorus--
Through rose colored glasses
Half alive you step inside
Your helium balloon
It's the only way
To rise above the room
It's temporary
The colors getting soft
The groove goes on forever
Only you can get you off
Posted by: momma at April 13, 2011 09:53 PM (penCf)
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449
Paul Ryan talks to Mark Levin about deWon's speech. It's worth a listen.
http://tiny.cc/w592k
Posted by: Steph, Sith apprentice on bended knee at April 13, 2011 09:46 PM (AkdC5)
Didnt realize Ryan was there, if I was him I would have stood up and left.
Paul Ryan talks to Mark Levin about deWon's speech. It's worth a listen.
http://tiny.cc/w592k
Posted by: Steph, Sith apprentice on bended knee at April 13, 2011 09:46 PM (AkdC5)
Didnt realize Ryan was there, if I was him I would have stood up and left.
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (FIDMq)
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414
@382 Any GOP congresscritter who votes for this crap sandwich when
they could instead force Obama to play his cards should consider his/her
seat at risk. The back-benchers especially. Boehner, Cantor, and the
'leaders' will get supported by the RNC. The ones who will lose their
seats are the newbies and lower-ranking congressfolks. It's just how it
will go....
But the best way to settle that is to force a standalone vote of no-confidence. If they're serious about this and they want him out, I want to see them actually move-forward in that goal. Otherwise, I'm not sure I see the point in forcing a shutdown over mere rounding errors. Some of them have made the point before that these barely amount to rounding errors and they want to start on 2012. Obama is already ahead of them right now because he pummeled Ryan using the bully pulpit, and a shutdown over the 2011 budget is not going to yield results for 2012 unless they actually have a contingency plan. Do they have a plan?
@382 Any GOP congresscritter who votes for this crap sandwich when
they could instead force Obama to play his cards should consider his/her
seat at risk. The back-benchers especially. Boehner, Cantor, and the
'leaders' will get supported by the RNC. The ones who will lose their
seats are the newbies and lower-ranking congressfolks. It's just how it
will go....
But the best way to settle that is to force a standalone vote of no-confidence. If they're serious about this and they want him out, I want to see them actually move-forward in that goal. Otherwise, I'm not sure I see the point in forcing a shutdown over mere rounding errors. Some of them have made the point before that these barely amount to rounding errors and they want to start on 2012. Obama is already ahead of them right now because he pummeled Ryan using the bully pulpit, and a shutdown over the 2011 budget is not going to yield results for 2012 unless they actually have a contingency plan. Do they have a plan?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (uVLrI)
472
OMG, is parsing invading everything even hockey???? Intent to blow the whistle....are they frickin nuts???
That was in, plain and simple and the whistle came after.
That was in, plain and simple and the whistle came after.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Monkey's Uncle at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (JEvSn)
474
#468
This is what I am concerned about. I don't think many people are really 'rallying around Ryan' as much as rallying around the idea that the real difficult decisions get to be made decades from now in his plan. The deficit then becomes a problem for some other politicans to work out.
If they really wanted something that would hit at curbing deficits and debt, Rand's budget would be more like what would come out.
#468
This is what I am concerned about. I don't think many people are really 'rallying around Ryan' as much as rallying around the idea that the real difficult decisions get to be made decades from now in his plan. The deficit then becomes a problem for some other politicans to work out.
If they really wanted something that would hit at curbing deficits and debt, Rand's budget would be more like what would come out.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 09:55 PM (VoSja)
475
474 OMG, is parsing invading everything even hockey???? Intent to blow the whistle....are they frickin nuts???That was in, plain and simple and the whistle came after.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (k1rwm)
Heh, as a Wings fan, I am VERY familiar with that rule.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (k1rwm)
Heh, as a Wings fan, I am VERY familiar with that rule.
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 13, 2011 09:55 PM (FIDMq)
476
Ok, so if we agree that the bubble/ pustule must burst; who among us is willing to help squeeze it?
It appears to me that most are content to just put make-up over it and, when that no longer works, give it a name and claim it as an undeveloped Siamese twin.
It appears to me that most are content to just put make-up over it and, when that no longer works, give it a name and claim it as an undeveloped Siamese twin.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 09:55 PM (3nrx7)
477
This Thread Is Dead.
Posted by: That Guy Who Says "This Thread Is Dead." at April 13, 2011 09:55 PM (5ZF5G)
478
Kabob--So if your conservative isn't nominated you're going to write in?
Because that'll matter.
Because that'll matter.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:56 PM (hr4/M)
479
Is it OK to talk about revolution around here yet?
...just askin
...just askin
Posted by: No Soy Paco at April 13, 2011 09:56 PM (AnTyA)
480
fat bottom girls make the rockin world go round.
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (h+qn
http://youtu.be/hJutRemawwU
Posted by: mfm willow at April 13, 2011 08:55 PM (h+qn
http://youtu.be/hJutRemawwU
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 13, 2011 09:56 PM (mHQ7T)
481
Where did anyone get the idea that ryan's plan is the best we got? The best we got is Rand Paul's plan but the republicans are a bunch of seriiously castrated ninnies and they won't bring Rand Paul's budget forward.
Paul's budget proves that they are tax and spend republicans, plain and simple.
Paul's budget proves that they are tax and spend republicans, plain and simple.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:56 PM (k1rwm)
482
@456
Y-not,
Boehner didn't get rolled. He knew EXACTLY what was going on. This shit
isn't complicated. That's the excuse they give you every time you find
their finger in your ass.
--
You may be right (that he intended this outcome), but I think you're wrong about the excuse part. As far as I can see, he didn't give the excuse that he was rolled. He actually seems to just be insisting that this crap sandwich is PBJ.
'Seems to me that he could generate at least a little good will if he'd roll out some of those tears he's so famous for and admit he blew it. Instead he's calling us stupid.
It is time for conservatives in Congress to make a stand that this deal is not acceptable and vote against it. Let the chips fall where they may.
Y-not,
Boehner didn't get rolled. He knew EXACTLY what was going on. This shit
isn't complicated. That's the excuse they give you every time you find
their finger in your ass.
--
You may be right (that he intended this outcome), but I think you're wrong about the excuse part. As far as I can see, he didn't give the excuse that he was rolled. He actually seems to just be insisting that this crap sandwich is PBJ.
'Seems to me that he could generate at least a little good will if he'd roll out some of those tears he's so famous for and admit he blew it. Instead he's calling us stupid.
It is time for conservatives in Congress to make a stand that this deal is not acceptable and vote against it. Let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 09:57 PM (pW2o8)
483
441
Didn't Ryan indicate that there would be other votes
to cap entitlements like Social Security? This "scoring" would not
account for that, I think?
Taki it away!
With a consensus budget, you don't get everything you want and he wants more; he also thinks his plan is quite "modest", which is is. This is one of the reasons why he wants to re-introduce parts of his Roadmap and other legislation he's written to complement his budget bill.
Didn't Ryan indicate that there would be other votes
to cap entitlements like Social Security? This "scoring" would not
account for that, I think?
Taki it away!
With a consensus budget, you don't get everything you want and he wants more; he also thinks his plan is quite "modest", which is is. This is one of the reasons why he wants to re-introduce parts of his Roadmap and other legislation he's written to complement his budget bill.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:57 PM (uVLrI)
484
The same people are in charge now who were running things before 2006. What did you think, they suddenly got religion? Their political calculi had changed?
It's the SAME people.
To have ANY shot whatsoever, they need to be cleaned out of the Republican Party, even if it costs seats in the process. It's still a long shot, but it's hail mary or we're doomed anyway.
It's the SAME people.
To have ANY shot whatsoever, they need to be cleaned out of the Republican Party, even if it costs seats in the process. It's still a long shot, but it's hail mary or we're doomed anyway.
Posted by: MlR at April 13, 2011 09:57 PM (uxyPr)
Posted by: Tool at April 13, 2011 09:57 PM (SwkdU)
486
For the folks who want to know what is going on: Obama is a malignant narcissist. He has pernicious or passive-aggressive rage, usually at a low level.
That is why Obama invited Paul Ryan to the White House and then attacked him.
Obama is a very sick man, a functioning psychopath. We need to treat him like the crazy fucker he is. Corner him. Don't listen to anything he says. Force him to choose between signing a good bill that goes against his core principles--which is spending more and more money--or breaking his constitutional oath of office.
We need to utterly wreck Obama's reputation and drag his name through the mud before he destroys this country.
That is why Obama invited Paul Ryan to the White House and then attacked him.
Obama is a very sick man, a functioning psychopath. We need to treat him like the crazy fucker he is. Corner him. Don't listen to anything he says. Force him to choose between signing a good bill that goes against his core principles--which is spending more and more money--or breaking his constitutional oath of office.
We need to utterly wreck Obama's reputation and drag his name through the mud before he destroys this country.
Posted by: Onlooker at April 13, 2011 09:58 PM (9f7qj)
487
No worries. Obama andhis corruptocrats will take our credit card and spend it how ever and whenever they want - andmaketheir donors rich.
Suck it, private sector.
Suck it, private sector.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 13, 2011 09:58 PM (0fzsA)
488
481
Is it OK to talk about revolution around here yet?
...just askin
Posted by: No Soy Paco at April 13, 2011 09:56 PM (AnTyA)
You are so banned!
Is it OK to talk about revolution around here yet?
...just askin
Posted by: No Soy Paco at April 13, 2011 09:56 PM (AnTyA)
You are so banned!
Posted by: Allahweenie at April 13, 2011 09:59 PM (vIWL2)
489
469
Indeed. The Ryan budget is a red herring to distract us while they
fuck us on the current budget and the debt limit. It will not pass and
the GOP has no intention of passing it. If they were serious about
passing it they would roll the rest of 2011 into it and pass it now.
Unless these is a government shutdown, his budget will be passed by Friday.
Indeed. The Ryan budget is a red herring to distract us while they
fuck us on the current budget and the debt limit. It will not pass and
the GOP has no intention of passing it. If they were serious about
passing it they would roll the rest of 2011 into it and pass it now.
Unless these is a government shutdown, his budget will be passed by Friday.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:59 PM (uVLrI)
490
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 13, 2011 09:55 PM (FIDMq)
hahahhahah
well I am so conflicted. I grew up an islanders fan but with hardcore rangers fans in the immediate family. But I love the caps. I'm wearing my ovechkin jersey now.
hahahhahah
well I am so conflicted. I grew up an islanders fan but with hardcore rangers fans in the immediate family. But I love the caps. I'm wearing my ovechkin jersey now.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:59 PM (k1rwm)
491
Fuck it! just boycott the Federal Government. TAX REVOLT!!!!!!!
Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 13, 2011 09:59 PM (oNphh)
492
Wait a minute. Suddenly I have some perspective.
I manage a customer portfolio worth more than $352M. Which means that I could cut $352M. The only difference is, I'd get fired for it.
I manage a customer portfolio worth more than $352M. Which means that I could cut $352M. The only difference is, I'd get fired for it.
Posted by: Whatever! at April 13, 2011 09:59 PM (piMMO)
493
Otherwise, I'm not sure I see the point in forcing a shutdown over mere rounding errors.
Going from billions to millions seems like more than rounding errors to me.
Going from billions to millions seems like more than rounding errors to me.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 09:59 PM (pW2o8)
494
Ryan's
proposal is not the best we have. Rand Paul's budget is the best we
have. The republicans, however, have decided to avoid Rand Paul's
budget just like they avoided Paul Ryan's budget and he was forced to
make the rounds and shove it in their face.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:53 PM (k1rwm)
I will cop to ignorance. I sort of figured Rand's Budget was more of a "wouldn't it be nice to focus on these big concepts," kinda thing, rather than an actual, "budget" budget. If he had the real deal ready to move to the floor, then he's got his shzt together even more than I thought.
proposal is not the best we have. Rand Paul's budget is the best we
have. The republicans, however, have decided to avoid Rand Paul's
budget just like they avoided Paul Ryan's budget and he was forced to
make the rounds and shove it in their face.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 09:53 PM (k1rwm)
I will cop to ignorance. I sort of figured Rand's Budget was more of a "wouldn't it be nice to focus on these big concepts," kinda thing, rather than an actual, "budget" budget. If he had the real deal ready to move to the floor, then he's got his shzt together even more than I thought.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 10:00 PM (5ZF5G)
495
A distinction without a difference.1,986 square miles. There is no alexandriacounty but an alexandria city. At least fairfax county's schools are accrediated and it is not a "sanctuary".
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 10:00 PM (hr4/M)
496
The rents to damn high budget consists of FUCK YOU SUCK MY ASS. Theres your taxes!
Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 13, 2011 10:00 PM (oNphh)
497
It’s time for Americans to realize that governing is hard work, and that Speaker Boehner can’t just wave a magic wand and fix everything.
It’s time for Americans to realize that governing is hard work, and that Speaker Boehner can’t just wave a magic wand and fix everything.
Posted by: Ellie Light at April 13, 2011 10:00 PM (TrAxp)
498
Didnt realize Ryan was there, if I was him I would have stood up and left.
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (FIDMq)
Has this response by Ryan not been posted here yet?
...it's 24 carat, baby..Ryan was en fuego
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (FIDMq)
Has this response by Ryan not been posted here yet?
...it's 24 carat, baby..Ryan was en fuego
Posted by: No Soy Paco at April 13, 2011 10:00 PM (AnTyA)
499
488 Again,if noone that anyone listens to tells the public the truth,how will they know?The press does nothing,they've given up their constitional role to tell the truth(been eroding for a long time,been gone for several years now).
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 10:01 PM (wbQ8+)
500
@33: "Whats coming next will make 1861 look like childsplay."
I wouldn't bet on that - people are a lot softer now. It takes serious balls and dedication to walk headlong into death at a places like Shiloh, Gettysburg, Antietam, Franklin, Cold Harbor, and Fredricksburg.
What's coming may well make places like Rwanda, Srebrenica, Katyn, the Hodolomor, and Auschwitz look like child's play. People today are a lot more comfortable with murder.
I wouldn't bet on that - people are a lot softer now. It takes serious balls and dedication to walk headlong into death at a places like Shiloh, Gettysburg, Antietam, Franklin, Cold Harbor, and Fredricksburg.
What's coming may well make places like Rwanda, Srebrenica, Katyn, the Hodolomor, and Auschwitz look like child's play. People today are a lot more comfortable with murder.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 13, 2011 10:01 PM (xy9wk)
501
We're fucked. I'm so pissed. I raised my hand to support and defend the constitution and this is what I get from my representatives? (I won't call them leaders because they're not) Fuck!
Posted by: fastfreefall at April 13, 2011 10:02 PM (QsGzh)
502
But the best way to settle that is to force a standalone vote of no-confidence.
I think we're focusing on different things.
I don't think getting Boehner out of the leadership role is the highest priority. The highest priority is to follow through on their promises to the American people - or at least fully go to the mat to try to achieve those promises - and to stop giving Obama and the Democrats political cover... which I think most folks agree was done here.
I think we're focusing on different things.
I don't think getting Boehner out of the leadership role is the highest priority. The highest priority is to follow through on their promises to the American people - or at least fully go to the mat to try to achieve those promises - and to stop giving Obama and the Democrats political cover... which I think most folks agree was done here.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 10:02 PM (pW2o8)
503
It's Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the football, all over again.God damned mother fucking sons of bitches.
Posted by: MissTammy at April 13, 2011 10:01 PM (SsG4J)
Yup. We're Charlie Brown
Posted by: MissTammy at April 13, 2011 10:01 PM (SsG4J)
Yup. We're Charlie Brown
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 10:02 PM (3nrx7)
504
Didnt realize Ryan was there, if I was him I would have stood up and left.
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (FIDMq)
That's the kind of president we have. He invited them knowing he was going to use abuse them. He's a hateful SOB, and one day he'll pay a heavy price for it. I just hope I'm still alive to laugh at his ass when it happens.
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 13, 2011 09:54 PM (FIDMq)
That's the kind of president we have. He invited them knowing he was going to use abuse them. He's a hateful SOB, and one day he'll pay a heavy price for it. I just hope I'm still alive to laugh at his ass when it happens.
Posted by: Steph, Sith apprentice on bended knee at April 13, 2011 10:03 PM (AkdC5)
505
I'm more convinced than ever that Ryan's budget is simply a ruse used by the Republican leadership to justifyfew short-term cuts to spending.
They know damn well that the odds of his budget surviving past their political careers are less than 0.
I'm more convinced than ever that Ryan's budget is simply a ruse used by the Republican leadership to justifyfew short-term cuts to spending.
They know damn well that the odds of his budget surviving past their political careers are less than 0.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 10:03 PM (VoSja)
506
We have reached the point where it is impossible to make the asteroid miss the Earth.
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (dT+/n)
Double negative! Five yards from the spot of the foul, second down.
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 13, 2011 09:52 PM (dT+/n)
Double negative! Five yards from the spot of the foul, second down.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 10:04 PM (OgDRw)
507
At least fairfax county's schools are accrediated and it is not a "sanctuary".
I take it you've never actually driven around Fairfax. Half of San Salvador lives there.
I take it you've never actually driven around Fairfax. Half of San Salvador lives there.
Posted by: Monkey's Uncle at April 13, 2011 10:04 PM (JEvSn)
508
483
Where did anyone get the idea that ryan's plan is the best we got? The best we got is Rand Paul's plan
Rand lost a lot of credibility with me when he rather naively started on the cutting all foreign aid kick.
Where did anyone get the idea that ryan's plan is the best we got? The best we got is Rand Paul's plan
Rand lost a lot of credibility with me when he rather naively started on the cutting all foreign aid kick.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 10:05 PM (pW2o8)
509
I'm cracking up at the irony of the PatrioticMillionaires for Fiscal Strength asking for money to put their ad on tv.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at April 13, 2011 10:06 PM (vIWL2)
510
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 10:04 PM (OgDRw)
ErikW is a member of the rebel alliance and a traitor.
Take him away!
ErikW is a member of the rebel alliance and a traitor.
Take him away!
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 13, 2011 10:06 PM (dT+/n)
511
Think about it,we joke about it,we take for granted what is going to happen.Every evening newscast should have had as headlines how the president lied to us today.It should be in big bold letters on all newspapers tomorrow.That it isn't so,is how we got where we are.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 10:06 PM (wbQ8+)
512
Rand lost a lot of credibility with me when he rather naively started on the cutting all foreign aid kick.
Negotiations. Ask for the Sun if you want the moon.
Negotiations. Ask for the Sun if you want the moon.
Posted by: Whatever! at April 13, 2011 10:07 PM (piMMO)
513
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 10:03 PM (VoSja)
Agreed.
The question is whether or not Ryan knows that.
Not that this knowledge would be of any consequence, considering the inevitable conclusion, but I just like to know exactly how much I am being lied to.
Agreed.
The question is whether or not Ryan knows that.
Not that this knowledge would be of any consequence, considering the inevitable conclusion, but I just like to know exactly how much I am being lied to.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 10:07 PM (3nrx7)
514
480
Kabob--So if your conservative isn't nominated you're going to write in?
Because that'll matter.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:56 PM (hr4/M)
No, "some collection of letters making fun of poster's name," I'll write in or vote for who I want. I might get in the booth and decide to vote for another party, or whatever. But I won't join you in bringing armageddon in under the "R" name, just because hey, everyone, look! It isn't Obama!!!
Work for the kind of people who aren't going to continue playing this stupid game of screwing the taxpayers, and burning the Constitution. Otherwise you are helping the center-left, the left, the hard-left, the hard-right-anti-statists, and the hard-right-anarchists. Not your neighbors, friends, and especially not your descendents.
Kabob--So if your conservative isn't nominated you're going to write in?
Because that'll matter.
Posted by: dagny at April 13, 2011 09:56 PM (hr4/M)
No, "some collection of letters making fun of poster's name," I'll write in or vote for who I want. I might get in the booth and decide to vote for another party, or whatever. But I won't join you in bringing armageddon in under the "R" name, just because hey, everyone, look! It isn't Obama!!!
Work for the kind of people who aren't going to continue playing this stupid game of screwing the taxpayers, and burning the Constitution. Otherwise you are helping the center-left, the left, the hard-left, the hard-right-anti-statists, and the hard-right-anarchists. Not your neighbors, friends, and especially not your descendents.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 10:07 PM (5ZF5G)
515
Boehner willingly licked the white dog turd.
But now he's telling us it was just a powdered donut.
That he dropped.
And was just picking it up, not licking it.
And he was just picking it up to throw it away.
So there, shut up!!
But now he's telling us it was just a powdered donut.
That he dropped.
And was just picking it up, not licking it.
And he was just picking it up to throw it away.
So there, shut up!!
Posted by: jimmuy at April 13, 2011 10:07 PM (LkNeJ)
516
Every evening newscast should have had as headlines how the president
lied to us today.It should be in big bold letters on all newspapers
tomorrow.That it isn't so,is how we got where we are.
That and the fact that the "opposition" party leaders are lying to us, too.
lied to us today.It should be in big bold letters on all newspapers
tomorrow.That it isn't so,is how we got where we are.
That and the fact that the "opposition" party leaders are lying to us, too.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 10:07 PM (pW2o8)
517
I miss Jim Bunning. He was a real straight shooter and didn't take shit from any of the pussies on the Hill. But the GOP had to get rid of him, the fucks.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 10:08 PM (G/MYk)
518
495
Going
from billions to millions seems like more than rounding errors to me.
At this point, even billions are rounding errors. Millions are so small they barely register. Trillions are closer to talking about real money, but even $10T is fairly small in the grand scheme of things right now.
The 1974 Budget Act says that Congress is required to pass a budget. Dems tried to pretend it didn't exist last year, but it does. At some point before September 30th, Congress must pass a budget. The anxiety has already negatively affected the stock market and the fiscal year ends in 5mos. If we keep waiting and waiting, there will eventually be nothing to cut from this year's budget because Obama will have spent all that money. Once it's down the drain, it's gone.
Going
from billions to millions seems like more than rounding errors to me.
At this point, even billions are rounding errors. Millions are so small they barely register. Trillions are closer to talking about real money, but even $10T is fairly small in the grand scheme of things right now.
The 1974 Budget Act says that Congress is required to pass a budget. Dems tried to pretend it didn't exist last year, but it does. At some point before September 30th, Congress must pass a budget. The anxiety has already negatively affected the stock market and the fiscal year ends in 5mos. If we keep waiting and waiting, there will eventually be nothing to cut from this year's budget because Obama will have spent all that money. Once it's down the drain, it's gone.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:08 PM (uVLrI)
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 10:08 PM (k1rwm)
520
519 Absolutely.The FUCKING truth!
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 10:08 PM (wbQ8+)
521
Unless these is a government shutdown, his budget will be passed by Friday.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:59 PM (uVLrI)
I didn't know that but it doesn't change much. As long as 2011 is funded separately they have five months to backpedal.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 09:59 PM (uVLrI)
I didn't know that but it doesn't change much. As long as 2011 is funded separately they have five months to backpedal.
Posted by: schizoid at April 13, 2011 10:08 PM (hdbRc)
522
Every evening newscast should have had as headlines how the president lied to us today.It should be in big bold letters on all newspapers tomorrow.That it isn't so,is how we got where we are.
Silly rabbit. They only do that when it's a Republican president.
Silly rabbit. They only do that when it's a Republican president.
Posted by: LGoPs at April 13, 2011 10:10 PM (+Uv5V)
523
509 Double negative! Five yards from the spot of the foul, second down.
________
This is English. Double negatives work here.
________
This is English. Double negatives work here.
Posted by: Anachronda ничего не знаю &# at April 13, 2011 10:10 PM (6fER6)
524
Even the stupid fucking majority would undestand the problem(to a degree) if they were told the truth.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 10:10 PM (wbQ8+)
525
516
...The
question is whether or not Ryan knows that.
I think he knows, which is why he keeps highlighting the Republican Study Committee (of which he's a member) and the freshmen. But I'm sure he remembers that he was treated like a leper after he released his Roadmap and that Boehner and the other two "young guns" can drop him again whenever they wish.
...The
question is whether or not Ryan knows that.
I think he knows, which is why he keeps highlighting the Republican Study Committee (of which he's a member) and the freshmen. But I'm sure he remembers that he was treated like a leper after he released his Roadmap and that Boehner and the other two "young guns" can drop him again whenever they wish.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:11 PM (uVLrI)
Posted by: Anachronda at April 13, 2011 10:11 PM (6fER6)
527
Rand lost a lot of credibility with me when he rather naively started on the cutting all foreign aid kick.
Whilewe're all circling the ONT airport, I'll throw this out just for grins and giggles.
I'd like to see President Bolton stop foreign aid to any country who votes against us in the UN.
Of course, it'd be much better to just tell the UN to move somewhere else and kindly kiss our ass.
Whilewe're all circling the ONT airport, I'll throw this out just for grins and giggles.
I'd like to see President Bolton stop foreign aid to any country who votes against us in the UN.
Of course, it'd be much better to just tell the UN to move somewhere else and kindly kiss our ass.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 13, 2011 10:11 PM (d0Tfm)
528
525 No,they negatively spin the truth(if not lie outright)when there is an R president.How about telling the fucking truth regardless,which is their job.
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 10:11 PM (wbQ8+)
529
The 1974 Budget Act says that Congress is required to pass a budget.
Dems tried to pretend it didn't exist last year, but it does.
So who goes to jail over this mess?
Dems tried to pretend it didn't exist last year, but it does.
So who goes to jail over this mess?
Posted by: fluffy at April 13, 2011 10:11 PM (SwkdU)
530
516
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 10:03 PM (VoSja)
Agreed.
The question is whether or not Ryan knows that.
Not
that this knowledge would be of any consequence, considering the
inevitable conclusion, but I just like to know exactly how much I am
being lied to.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 10:07 PM (3nrx7)
Yes and why lie? why lie? If you are going to do something and have legitimate reasons in your gut to do it, then why lie about it, stand tall, shoulder's back and tell the American people what you plan to do and why you are doing it. The lies are killing everyone. People can take almost anything but lieing...lieing is what makes most people get angry.
Posted by: Paper at April 13, 2011 10:03 PM (VoSja)
Agreed.
The question is whether or not Ryan knows that.
Not
that this knowledge would be of any consequence, considering the
inevitable conclusion, but I just like to know exactly how much I am
being lied to.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 10:07 PM (3nrx7)
Yes and why lie? why lie? If you are going to do something and have legitimate reasons in your gut to do it, then why lie about it, stand tall, shoulder's back and tell the American people what you plan to do and why you are doing it. The lies are killing everyone. People can take almost anything but lieing...lieing is what makes most people get angry.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 10:12 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 13, 2011 10:12 PM (ZHsNw)
Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 13, 2011 10:12 PM (oNphh)
533
The 1974 Budget Act says that Congress is required
to pass a budget. Dems tried to pretend it didn't exist last year, but
it does. At some point before September 30th, Congress must pass a
budget. The anxiety has already negatively affected the stock market and
the fiscal year ends in 5mos. If we keep waiting and waiting, there
will eventually be nothing to cut from this year's budget because Obama
will have spent all that money. Once it's down the drain, it's gone.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:08 PM (uVLrI)
What's worse is that the market continued on a relatively positive trend through all of this.
That should tell you everything you need to know about the market being based in anything resembling reality.On the political side, note that no one in government (or the people that vote for them) is holding anyone accountable for ignoring the law. Anyone who is not screaming daily, on the floor of the respective chambers, for impeachment of these people is complicit.
to pass a budget. Dems tried to pretend it didn't exist last year, but
it does. At some point before September 30th, Congress must pass a
budget. The anxiety has already negatively affected the stock market and
the fiscal year ends in 5mos. If we keep waiting and waiting, there
will eventually be nothing to cut from this year's budget because Obama
will have spent all that money. Once it's down the drain, it's gone.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:08 PM (uVLrI)
What's worse is that the market continued on a relatively positive trend through all of this.
That should tell you everything you need to know about the market being based in anything resembling reality.On the political side, note that no one in government (or the people that vote for them) is holding anyone accountable for ignoring the law. Anyone who is not screaming daily, on the floor of the respective chambers, for impeachment of these people is complicit.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 10:12 PM (3nrx7)
534
I said it earlier.Time for the world at large to get what they wanted.A US that minds it's own business.See how they like it.Retreat into isolation(as much as possible).
Posted by: steevy at April 13, 2011 10:13 PM (wbQ8+)
535
Fuch you fuck them fuck everybody TAX REVOLT!!!!
Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 13, 2011 10:13 PM (oNphh)
536
F*** it all. Shut it down. Burn it down. The hell with it all.
2012? Who cares?
damn i'm gone for 4 hours i come back and ace has become.....me.
fire it up! fire it up! fire it up!
2012? Who cares?
damn i'm gone for 4 hours i come back and ace has become.....me.
fire it up! fire it up! fire it up!
Posted by: evil libertarian at April 13, 2011 10:13 PM (gyqmT)
537
There are so many senior RINOs in the GOP I give up. Off to play an FPS game. Maybe I'll be back for the ONT.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (7+pP9)
538
Of course, it'd be much better to just tell the UN to move somewhere else and kindly kiss our ass.
I vote for 200 miles east of Damascus, but that's just a suggestion.
You don't have to go there, but you can't stay in New York.
I vote for 200 miles east of Damascus, but that's just a suggestion.
You don't have to go there, but you can't stay in New York.
Posted by: fluffy at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (SwkdU)
539
No matter who they are or what party they represent, they get to D.C. and the mind-meld thingy happens. They become pod people. They are our betters and it's our job to make, their job to take. There is not a dimes worth of difference between any of them. No wonder Al Franken is Rand Paul's senate mentor.
Posted by: Boots at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (neKzn)
540
WAAAAA the bully took my lunch money TAX REVOLT!!!
Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (oNphh)
541
I don't think getting Boehner out of the leadership
role is the highest priority.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 10:02 PM (pW2o
It should be, right now. When you have a shit general, you get rid of him or you resign yourself to death and loss. The Weeping Boner is so much of a detriment that he must go. And he also must go so that people see that there are consequences for incompetence, stupidity and ESPECIALLY stabbing the base in the back. If not, then you are looking at a replay of the Shamnesty debacle that utterly destroyed the GOP and brought us the most insane Congress and ineligible America-hater that America has ever had to contend with (by orders of magnitude).Like I said, The Constitutional Union of American States. It'll probably have about 20 to start with.
role is the highest priority.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 10:02 PM (pW2o
It should be, right now. When you have a shit general, you get rid of him or you resign yourself to death and loss. The Weeping Boner is so much of a detriment that he must go. And he also must go so that people see that there are consequences for incompetence, stupidity and ESPECIALLY stabbing the base in the back. If not, then you are looking at a replay of the Shamnesty debacle that utterly destroyed the GOP and brought us the most insane Congress and ineligible America-hater that America has ever had to contend with (by orders of magnitude).Like I said, The Constitutional Union of American States. It'll probably have about 20 to start with.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (G/MYk)
542
This is English. Double negatives work here.
Posted by: Anachronda
I call it Hillbilly but whatever.
Posted by: Anachronda
I call it Hillbilly but whatever.
Posted by: ErikW at April 13, 2011 10:15 PM (OgDRw)
543
I'm outta' here. Have a good ONT, guys.
Posted by: Y-not at April 13, 2011 10:15 PM (pW2o8)
544
kwityerbitchin TAX REVOLT!!
Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 13, 2011 10:16 PM (oNphh)
545
Al Franken is Rand Paul's senate mentor.
Posted by: Boots at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (neKzn)
wow that makes so much sense in an odd sort of way it's frightening. But, Rand Paul seems to have been good for Franken, there are fewer bizarre outbursts.
Posted by: Boots at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (neKzn)
wow that makes so much sense in an odd sort of way it's frightening. But, Rand Paul seems to have been good for Franken, there are fewer bizarre outbursts.
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 10:17 PM (k1rwm)
546
Retreat into isolation(as much as possible).
I think that's our only hope right now. We could concentrate on us for a while, build up our own economy by getting the manufacturing sector back in shape, start making our own products again,implement an impenetrable missile shield, get out of this bullshit of a global economy and tell the rest of the world to fuck themselves.
In case no one's noticed, the rest of the world doesn't like us very much, kinda like nobody liked the smart kids in high school.
We have nothing to lose by doing this.
I think that's our only hope right now. We could concentrate on us for a while, build up our own economy by getting the manufacturing sector back in shape, start making our own products again,implement an impenetrable missile shield, get out of this bullshit of a global economy and tell the rest of the world to fuck themselves.
In case no one's noticed, the rest of the world doesn't like us very much, kinda like nobody liked the smart kids in high school.
We have nothing to lose by doing this.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 13, 2011 10:20 PM (d0Tfm)
547
there will be blood.
Oh yes.
And I know what side I'm on.
And I don't see much point in prolonging it.
But by all means, take your time. I'm certainly not some stupid idealistic idiot who's going to start anything. I'm an egoist. I ain't fighting for the ideal of liberty and I ain't fighting for your liberty, it's mine I want. So I can wait.
Because if I don't get what I'm after, the thing will most likelycollapse itself, and then the violence starts.
The Gods of the Copybook Headings return, you know. And not in a pleasant or helpful fashion. Quite extremist. Natural law is like that - no room for negotiating.
Oh yes.
And I know what side I'm on.
And I don't see much point in prolonging it.
But by all means, take your time. I'm certainly not some stupid idealistic idiot who's going to start anything. I'm an egoist. I ain't fighting for the ideal of liberty and I ain't fighting for your liberty, it's mine I want. So I can wait.
Because if I don't get what I'm after, the thing will most likelycollapse itself, and then the violence starts.
The Gods of the Copybook Headings return, you know. And not in a pleasant or helpful fashion. Quite extremist. Natural law is like that - no room for negotiating.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 10:20 PM (SwWT6)
548
It'll probably have about 20 to start with.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (G/MYk)
It would be nice if the vast majority of states told the Feds to pi$$ off.
Won't happen.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 10:14 PM (G/MYk)
It would be nice if the vast majority of states told the Feds to pi$$ off.
Won't happen.
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 10:21 PM (5ZF5G)
549
505
I
think we're focusing on different things. I don't think getting
Boehner out of the leadership role is the highest priority. The
highest priority is to follow through on their promises to the American
people - or at least fully go to the mat to try to achieve those
promises - and to stop giving Obama and the Democrats political cover...
which I think most folks agree was done here.
But can they do that with Boehner as Speaker? That's part of what this is about, even if he's right in saying he's cut obligations by $38.5B. But he hasn't explained that well in the least and this is another reason why we're at this place. The Rs voting against this also have largely expressed the sense that they think they got the best deal possible even if they are disappointed. Maybe that has changed since then, but I see no one advertising themselves as someone who can go back to the mat over this issue.
I think it's possible for them to go either way, though. You can oppose this deal out of principle and express disgust by voting no, or you can feel the same way and vote yes. Either way, doesn't reflect well on Boehner but I don't think he's going to see it that way. That's why I say they need to make this a separate issue if they're going to move-forward. Last point-- when there was a move to scrap the CRs in-favor of getting a deal, I think that was a mistake. They would have been able to get a maximum number of cuts while still eventually delivering a budget.
I
think we're focusing on different things. I don't think getting
Boehner out of the leadership role is the highest priority. The
highest priority is to follow through on their promises to the American
people - or at least fully go to the mat to try to achieve those
promises - and to stop giving Obama and the Democrats political cover...
which I think most folks agree was done here.
But can they do that with Boehner as Speaker? That's part of what this is about, even if he's right in saying he's cut obligations by $38.5B. But he hasn't explained that well in the least and this is another reason why we're at this place. The Rs voting against this also have largely expressed the sense that they think they got the best deal possible even if they are disappointed. Maybe that has changed since then, but I see no one advertising themselves as someone who can go back to the mat over this issue.
I think it's possible for them to go either way, though. You can oppose this deal out of principle and express disgust by voting no, or you can feel the same way and vote yes. Either way, doesn't reflect well on Boehner but I don't think he's going to see it that way. That's why I say they need to make this a separate issue if they're going to move-forward. Last point-- when there was a move to scrap the CRs in-favor of getting a deal, I think that was a mistake. They would have been able to get a maximum number of cuts while still eventually delivering a budget.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:21 PM (uVLrI)
550
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 10:12 PM (k1rwm)
See my TLDR post above.
In short, all of them- R and D- think that if they keep us focused on bitching about how they lie to us, we won't notice that the world is collapsing and there is nothing that any of them can do about it. Besides, everyone has accepted that politicians lie with every breath anyhow, but continue to elect them. If they lie to us and support the next layer of duct tape, they might stay in office (and thus be insulated from the collapse).
It comes back to a simple question: how big of a catastrophe do you want? Averting catastrophe is no longer and option. Neither will it be small, when it inevitably comes. It's simply a matter of when and how massive.
See my TLDR post above.
In short, all of them- R and D- think that if they keep us focused on bitching about how they lie to us, we won't notice that the world is collapsing and there is nothing that any of them can do about it. Besides, everyone has accepted that politicians lie with every breath anyhow, but continue to elect them. If they lie to us and support the next layer of duct tape, they might stay in office (and thus be insulated from the collapse).
It comes back to a simple question: how big of a catastrophe do you want? Averting catastrophe is no longer and option. Neither will it be small, when it inevitably comes. It's simply a matter of when and how massive.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 10:21 PM (3nrx7)
551
Okay, this thread is too close to banned topics.
On behalf of all Morons, I hereby denounce this thread.
Sue me. (That's how class action works, so szck it)
On behalf of all Morons, I hereby denounce this thread.
Sue me. (That's how class action works, so szck it)
Posted by: K~Bob at April 13, 2011 10:23 PM (5ZF5G)
552
Do you think Christie would come to the aid of the republicans and run? and if so, do you think he would roll over like the rest of them. I have no faith right now and am grasping at straws.
Posted by: gesc at April 13, 2011 10:23 PM (9h7jT)
553
532
So
who goes to jail over this mess?
Now that's the thing-- there are some Republicans who are dedicated to following a law passed by Congress even though there is no enforcement mechanism to hold them to it. But they'll still do it out of a sense of duty. A majority of the people on the Budget Committee and a number in RSC feel this way.
So
who goes to jail over this mess?
Now that's the thing-- there are some Republicans who are dedicated to following a law passed by Congress even though there is no enforcement mechanism to hold them to it. But they'll still do it out of a sense of duty. A majority of the people on the Budget Committee and a number in RSC feel this way.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:25 PM (uVLrI)
554
Another commenter was right with what they said earlier:
"Congressional Budget Office data, posted Wednesday morning, credit the
Boehner-Obama deal with capping appropriations at a level nearly $38
billion lower than when Republicans took charge of the House in January.
But this will have only a minimal impact on outlays or direct spending
before the 2011 fiscal year ends Sept. 30"
"Congressional Budget Office data, posted Wednesday morning, credit the
Boehner-Obama deal with capping appropriations at a level nearly $38
billion lower than when Republicans took charge of the House in January.
But this will have only a minimal impact on outlays or direct spending
before the 2011 fiscal year ends Sept. 30"
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:28 PM (uVLrI)
555
555
Do you think Christie would come to the aid of the republicans and run?
and if so, do you think he would roll over like the rest of them. I
have no faith right now and am grasping at straws.
Posted by: gesc at April 13, 2011 10:23 PM (9h7jT)
Christie is AMAZING... for NJ. It's all a matter of context and he knows it, which is why I respect him in spite of his squishiness on most conservative positions.
Take him out of NJ and put him in a red state or on the national stage and he'd immediately be recognized as a RINO.NJ needs him and he's doing a great job there. Maybe when he's through, he'll have swung the pendulum enough to get NJ truly back on track to solvency and reason and they'll elect someone more conservative.
Do you think Christie would come to the aid of the republicans and run?
and if so, do you think he would roll over like the rest of them. I
have no faith right now and am grasping at straws.
Posted by: gesc at April 13, 2011 10:23 PM (9h7jT)
Christie is AMAZING... for NJ. It's all a matter of context and he knows it, which is why I respect him in spite of his squishiness on most conservative positions.
Take him out of NJ and put him in a red state or on the national stage and he'd immediately be recognized as a RINO.NJ needs him and he's doing a great job there. Maybe when he's through, he'll have swung the pendulum enough to get NJ truly back on track to solvency and reason and they'll elect someone more conservative.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 10:29 PM (3nrx7)
556
I been beating on Barry since Day One and all the sudden T-Paw opens his pie-hole for once and is the Great White Hope?
Bitches, please!! T-Paw gonna raise $750 large?
But I will.
Bitches, please!! T-Paw gonna raise $750 large?
But I will.
Posted by: Sarah P. at April 13, 2011 10:29 PM (MWXXs)
557
Rand lost a lot of credibility with me when he rather naively started on the cutting all foreign aid kick.
Look, I happen to agree with him about that. Screw foreign aid.
I know it's a pittance in the larger scheme of things, but it's still stupid. And not a 'pittance' the to the fucking madmen we give most of it to.
But hey - you can have your opinion. I probably won't think nearly as harshly of you for it as you may about me - I don't think it's that huge of a deal. And Paul doesn't seem to either.
So long as you don't try to go all character assassin on him and paint it as targeting Israel, because that is a lot of BS.
Look, I happen to agree with him about that. Screw foreign aid.
I know it's a pittance in the larger scheme of things, but it's still stupid. And not a 'pittance' the to the fucking madmen we give most of it to.
But hey - you can have your opinion. I probably won't think nearly as harshly of you for it as you may about me - I don't think it's that huge of a deal. And Paul doesn't seem to either.
So long as you don't try to go all character assassin on him and paint it as targeting Israel, because that is a lot of BS.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 10:29 PM (SwWT6)
Posted by: MlR at April 13, 2011 10:33 PM (uxyPr)
559
But they'll still do it out of a sense of duty. A majority of the people on the Budget Committee and a number in RSC feel this way.
Shmuck ass boyscout proceduralists who can't see for the forestthrough the trees.
Shmuck ass boyscout proceduralists who can't see for the forestthrough the trees.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 10:35 PM (SwWT6)
560
In the end, we've got to stick to the plan of a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.
Primary the douchebags out, elect someone who will cut gov't spending.
Defeat Democrats.
Rinse repeat, until the Reps fear getting kicked out of their cushy jobs by the voters more than they like Washington DC parties with Dims.
A recall or two of some RINOs some Reps get their heads on straight.
Primary the douchebags out, elect someone who will cut gov't spending.
Defeat Democrats.
Rinse repeat, until the Reps fear getting kicked out of their cushy jobs by the voters more than they like Washington DC parties with Dims.
A recall or two of some RINOs some Reps get their heads on straight.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 13, 2011 10:36 PM (I49Jm)
Posted by: MlR at April 13, 2011 10:39 PM (uxyPr)
562
At this point, I think "No confidence" vote on Boehner, or it's time for a third party. No war was ever won with an incompetent general in charge.
Taking over from within hasn't worked out so well. All the worst assholes have seniority and when it's their 'turn', they get the higher positions.
Seriously, if we had won the Senate and 'weak chin' McConnell were in charge, would we have gotten a better deal?
Taking over from within hasn't worked out so well. All the worst assholes have seniority and when it's their 'turn', they get the higher positions.
Seriously, if we had won the Senate and 'weak chin' McConnell were in charge, would we have gotten a better deal?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 13, 2011 10:40 PM (uhAkr)
563
564 Shmuck ass boyscout proceduralists who can't see for the
forestthrough the trees.
I'm talking about passing a budget, not how they'll vote tomorrow. Though you'll likely see them split.
563
Well, shit, at least they got some cuts.I mean, they did cut
border security.Whoops.
They've been throwing lots of money at the problem down here but it hasn't done solved the problem. Something constructive they could actually do is get out of our way.
forestthrough the trees.
I'm talking about passing a budget, not how they'll vote tomorrow. Though you'll likely see them split.
563
Well, shit, at least they got some cuts.I mean, they did cut
border security.Whoops.
They've been throwing lots of money at the problem down here but it hasn't done solved the problem. Something constructive they could actually do is get out of our way.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:40 PM (uVLrI)
564
It's like the moment elected politicians arrive in Washington, they're marched into a room and forced to knife murder an orphan while the rest of them take pictures to ensure they stay in line.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 10:40 PM (MMC8r)
565
567
At this point, I think "No confidence" vote on Boehner, or it's time for
a third party. No war was ever won with an incompetent general in
charge...
I don't see them actually doing that tomorrow, though. A majority of people voting against it are emphasizing promises but I don't hear much about Boehner being a failure. They'll say it to the papers, but I don't see them coalescing around another leader.
At this point, I think "No confidence" vote on Boehner, or it's time for
a third party. No war was ever won with an incompetent general in
charge...
I don't see them actually doing that tomorrow, though. A majority of people voting against it are emphasizing promises but I don't hear much about Boehner being a failure. They'll say it to the papers, but I don't see them coalescing around another leader.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 10:43 PM (uVLrI)
566
Somewhat OT: The Blaze has the video of the Cavuto/ Eddie Bernice Johnson craziness from this afternoon.
Am I the only person who thinks that anyone who supports anything called "The People's Budget" should be rewarded with a one-way ticket to China?
The People's Budget for The People's State of America.
I truly don't recognize the country I live in anymore.
Am I the only person who thinks that anyone who supports anything called "The People's Budget" should be rewarded with a one-way ticket to China?
The People's Budget for The People's State of America.
I truly don't recognize the country I live in anymore.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 10:45 PM (3nrx7)
567
I'm talking about passing a budget, not how they'll vote tomorrow. Though you'll likely see them split.
So am I. That's what I'm talking about.
A sense of duty to pass a formal budget, most of which was already spent? That was neglected by the dems?
Proceduralists.
If they want to have a sense of duty maybe they should have defended the Constitution against shit like McCain-Feingold (or Obamacare).
At any rate - the battle is existential. Beat the dems. Better a live bastard than a dead gentleman.
So am I. That's what I'm talking about.
A sense of duty to pass a formal budget, most of which was already spent? That was neglected by the dems?
Proceduralists.
If they want to have a sense of duty maybe they should have defended the Constitution against shit like McCain-Feingold (or Obamacare).
At any rate - the battle is existential. Beat the dems. Better a live bastard than a dead gentleman.
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 10:47 PM (SwWT6)
568
did I mention I'm pissed? Fuck!!
Posted by: fastfreefall at April 13, 2011 10:53 PM (QsGzh)
569
Politico:
The leadership is betting heavily on loyalty to Boehner and a desire to move on to larger budget battles to hold together the rank and file. “This fight is over, move on to the next one,” said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.).
and....
Obama’s speech at The George Washington University fed into a new round of partisan sniping, and Republicans were privately baffled that the president gave no heads-up to Boehner when the two men were negotiating the final deal last week on 2011 spending.
Well, one does not kiss a prostitute, does one?
The leadership is betting heavily on loyalty to Boehner and a desire to move on to larger budget battles to hold together the rank and file. “This fight is over, move on to the next one,” said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.).
and....
Obama’s speech at The George Washington University fed into a new round of partisan sniping, and Republicans were privately baffled that the president gave no heads-up to Boehner when the two men were negotiating the final deal last week on 2011 spending.
Well, one does not kiss a prostitute, does one?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 13, 2011 10:54 PM (UB58p)
570
Taking over from within hasn't worked out so well. All the worst assholes have seniority and when it's their 'turn', they get the higher positions.
It's been1 election.
You replaced like 10% of them.
You thought that was a takeover?
As has been pointed out by others:
ITS THE SAME FUCKING PEOPLE.
IT'S LITERALLY ALL THE SAME EXACTPEOPLE.
They haven't even changed their names. The 2000-2006 lot.
You swapped out like 70 out of 500, called it a 'takeover', and then declare the takeover a failure.
Really not even - not all 2010 candidates were even tea party candidates.
And some tea party candidates are fucking corrupt liars.
We can't really even count our chickens yet because politicans are sneaky devious bastards.
I'm prepared to say we got at least 1 seat in the senate, maybe as much 6 seats...
And perhaps 20 or 30 in the house.
That's genuine Tea Party. The rest is still mostly legacy RINO, minus the handful of good incumbants we had (Pence, Bachman, DeMint, etc).
ITS THE SAME EXACT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
THIS ORANGE BONER IS THE SAME BOEHNER!
It's been1 election.
You replaced like 10% of them.
You thought that was a takeover?
As has been pointed out by others:
ITS THE SAME FUCKING PEOPLE.
IT'S LITERALLY ALL THE SAME EXACTPEOPLE.
They haven't even changed their names. The 2000-2006 lot.
You swapped out like 70 out of 500, called it a 'takeover', and then declare the takeover a failure.
Really not even - not all 2010 candidates were even tea party candidates.
And some tea party candidates are fucking corrupt liars.
We can't really even count our chickens yet because politicans are sneaky devious bastards.
I'm prepared to say we got at least 1 seat in the senate, maybe as much 6 seats...
And perhaps 20 or 30 in the house.
That's genuine Tea Party. The rest is still mostly legacy RINO, minus the handful of good incumbants we had (Pence, Bachman, DeMint, etc).
ITS THE SAME EXACT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
THIS ORANGE BONER IS THE SAME BOEHNER!
Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 10:55 PM (SwWT6)
571
Republicans were privately baffled that the president gave no heads-up
to Boehner when the two men were negotiating the final deal last week
on 2011 spending.
HE'S YOUR FUCKING ENEMY, ASSHOLES.
to Boehner when the two men were negotiating the final deal last week
on 2011 spending.
HE'S YOUR FUCKING ENEMY, ASSHOLES.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 10:56 PM (MMC8r)
572
576
Republicans were privately baffled that the president gave no heads-up
to Boehner when the two men were negotiating the final deal last week
on 2011 spending.
HE'S YOUR FUCKING ENEMY, ASSHOLES.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 10:56 PM (MMC8r)
Yeah, you'd think that they'd know that... especially after he publicly stated it and all.
"...Punish our enemies... Reward our friends..."~ Barack Obama- Campaign 2010
Republicans were privately baffled that the president gave no heads-up
to Boehner when the two men were negotiating the final deal last week
on 2011 spending.
HE'S YOUR FUCKING ENEMY, ASSHOLES.
Posted by: nickless at April 13, 2011 10:56 PM (MMC8r)
Yeah, you'd think that they'd know that... especially after he publicly stated it and all.
"...Punish our enemies... Reward our friends..."~ Barack Obama- Campaign 2010
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 11:01 PM (3nrx7)
573
Well, one does not kiss a prostitute, does one?
OH. So you mean that's like, some kinda rule then?
Good to know.
OH. So you mean that's like, some kinda rule then?
Good to know.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 13, 2011 11:02 PM (Wh0W+)
574
The only new spending I want to hear about is funding for the first Golgafrincham Ark.
....the B Ark, make sure its the B Ark
....the B Ark, make sure its the B Ark
Posted by: Berserker at April 13, 2011 11:05 PM (gWHrG)
575
572 So am I. That's what I'm talking about.
A sense of duty to pass a formal budget, most of which was already
spent? That was neglected by the dems?
They have to do it eventually, but I don't think that's the reasoning here. Also, a majority of the people voting against this were the ones promoting a deal. Why did we ever move away from the CR method when we were extracting more and would have eventually been able to draft a short little budget at the end? Absolutely stupid.
A sense of duty to pass a formal budget, most of which was already
spent? That was neglected by the dems?
They have to do it eventually, but I don't think that's the reasoning here. Also, a majority of the people voting against this were the ones promoting a deal. Why did we ever move away from the CR method when we were extracting more and would have eventually been able to draft a short little budget at the end? Absolutely stupid.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 13, 2011 11:07 PM (uVLrI)
576
Two members of the House Democratic leadership team, Caucus Chairman John Larson (Conn.) and Vice Chairman Xavier Becerra (Calif.), told The Hill they would oppose the 2011 spending deal, while Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.) said he might vote ‘yes’ but has not committed to supporting the bill.
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has kept silent on her position, and senior Democrats said they have not been told how she plans to vote.
“We’ll see,” is all Pelosi would tell The Hill when asked her position late Thursday.
TheHill
Thank goodness the leadership heard our outrage over this deal and is voting no.
True, it's not the leadership of our party, but......
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has kept silent on her position, and senior Democrats said they have not been told how she plans to vote.
“We’ll see,” is all Pelosi would tell The Hill when asked her position late Thursday.
TheHill
Thank goodness the leadership heard our outrage over this deal and is voting no.
True, it's not the leadership of our party, but......
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 13, 2011 11:12 PM (UB58p)
577
We are boned, totally boned. Our so called representatives really suck, they lie, cheat and steal and they get paid to do it too. I say fuck 'em.
Posted by: Killerdog at April 13, 2011 11:24 PM (FC4Df)
578
Our US Economy is on High Speed Rail to Hell and our kids will suffer for it.
Posted by: bugsrus at April 13, 2011 11:26 PM (vvrhn)
579
When Ace and Allahpundit have their little weekend getaways in the Hamptons, do you suppose they flip a coin to see who has to play the man part, or do they just call Andrew Sullivan?
Posted by: Adjoran at April 13, 2011 11:29 PM (VfmLu)
580
584
When Ace and Allahpundit have their little weekend getaways in the
Hamptons, do you suppose they flip a coin to see who has to play the man
part, or do they just call Andrew Sullivan?
Who knows. All I know is we are boned, anybody got a quarter?
When Ace and Allahpundit have their little weekend getaways in the
Hamptons, do you suppose they flip a coin to see who has to play the man
part, or do they just call Andrew Sullivan?
Who knows. All I know is we are boned, anybody got a quarter?
Posted by: Killerdog at April 13, 2011 11:31 PM (FC4Df)
581
Why are we surprised that a complete pussy (think crying on national TV) like Boehner caved when it looked like he was going to be blamed for a government shutdown?
Posted by: g at April 13, 2011 11:37 PM (LJBsr)
582
586
Why are we surprised that a complete pussy (think crying on national TV)
like Boehner caved when it looked like he was going to be blamed for a
government shutdown?
Posted by: g at April 13, 2011 11:37 PM (LJBsr)
They probably sat him in a room while Obama and Biden recited a list of ways that children would starve, go without food, shoes, or clothes, and be forced to eat dirt. The fuck probably cried the whole time, begging them to save the poor chilluns.
Why are we surprised that a complete pussy (think crying on national TV)
like Boehner caved when it looked like he was going to be blamed for a
government shutdown?
Posted by: g at April 13, 2011 11:37 PM (LJBsr)
They probably sat him in a room while Obama and Biden recited a list of ways that children would starve, go without food, shoes, or clothes, and be forced to eat dirt. The fuck probably cried the whole time, begging them to save the poor chilluns.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 11:43 PM (3nrx7)
583
"At the heart of the financial crisis were unresolved, and often
undisclosed, conflicts of interest," Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, the
panel's top Republican. "Blame for this mess lies everywhere from
federal regulators who cast a blind eye, Wall Street bankers who let
greed run wild, and members of Congress who failed to provide
oversight."
link
undisclosed, conflicts of interest," Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, the
panel's top Republican. "Blame for this mess lies everywhere from
federal regulators who cast a blind eye, Wall Street bankers who let
greed run wild, and members of Congress who failed to provide
oversight."
link
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 11:48 PM (k1rwm)
584
They probably sat him in a room
while Obama and Biden recited a list of ways that children would starve,
go without food, shoes, or clothes, and be forced to eat dirt. The fuck
probably cried the whole time, begging them to save the poor chilluns.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 11:43 PM (3nrx7)Like Steve Martin in The Jerk, with the guy trying to get money to fight South American cat juggling.
while Obama and Biden recited a list of ways that children would starve,
go without food, shoes, or clothes, and be forced to eat dirt. The fuck
probably cried the whole time, begging them to save the poor chilluns.
Posted by: Damiano at April 13, 2011 11:43 PM (3nrx7)Like Steve Martin in The Jerk, with the guy trying to get money to fight South American cat juggling.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 13, 2011 11:49 PM (G/MYk)
585
#588 is the short answer when a lib asks you "why aren't these WS guys in jail"
Posted by: curious at April 13, 2011 11:51 PM (k1rwm)
586
Ya I want to give my kids a legacy of time wasting rides on dirty crowded trains that will cost 1,000 times more to build and operate than they will ever bring in. No thank you Obummer and Mr. Buffett.
Posted by: bugsrus at April 14, 2011 12:02 AM (dSPFs)
587
Obummer's dream is to bring back the Ghetto. Nothing like a good ghetto to give you that feeling of belonging!!
Posted by: bugsrus at April 14, 2011 12:04 AM (dSPFs)
588
Posting really late but stop voting Republican, vote Tea Party. Republicans had 6 years of the house, senate, and executive and did nothing (not counting foreign policy). Remember, fiscal conservative is the new RINO. BTW, the Whig party was replaced by Republicans in just two cycles.
Posted by: Little Egypt at April 14, 2011 12:11 AM (5U/gw)
589
Well, one does not kiss a prostitute, does one?
OH. So you mean that's like, some kinda rule then?
Posted by: Dave in Texas
More of a guideline.....
OH. So you mean that's like, some kinda rule then?
Posted by: Dave in Texas
More of a guideline.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 14, 2011 12:11 AM (UB58p)
590
Posted by: bugsrus at April 14, 2011 12:02 AM (dSPFs)
You're such and optimist.
At the rate we're going, not only will our kids not have trains or the money to ride them, they will be saddled with a trillion in debt each while eking out and existence as a Chinese laborer, working for no wages and making crappy stuff to stock the shelves of Walmart in Saudi Arabia (the last location on the globe).
On the plus side, there will still be cowboy poetry.
You're such and optimist.
At the rate we're going, not only will our kids not have trains or the money to ride them, they will be saddled with a trillion in debt each while eking out and existence as a Chinese laborer, working for no wages and making crappy stuff to stock the shelves of Walmart in Saudi Arabia (the last location on the globe).
On the plus side, there will still be cowboy poetry.
Posted by: Damiano at April 14, 2011 12:16 AM (3nrx7)
591
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Posted by: hare at April 14, 2011 12:18 AM (UTbqL)
592
Remember how when they regained control of the House the Republicans were all out there saying "Yeah, we know we screwed up last time and we understand this is our last chance and we won't do that again."?
Well, they don't remember. Or they don't care. Seriously, for all the money they must spend on PR did they really think all this crap of "well, we might only be reducing the deficit by piss this year but we promise it will payoff big time in future years" was going to cut it? Because if they did, they are dumber than I thought, and I thought they were pretty fucking dumb. As if we don't understand that those "cuts" can easily be undone then.
I know many people on these threads have said we've got to primary Boehner and Rogers (and Cantor), but seriously, we can't let this anger subside and if someone in the respective states can point out to us morons some credible challengers I'm sure we'll rise to the occassion.
Well, they don't remember. Or they don't care. Seriously, for all the money they must spend on PR did they really think all this crap of "well, we might only be reducing the deficit by piss this year but we promise it will payoff big time in future years" was going to cut it? Because if they did, they are dumber than I thought, and I thought they were pretty fucking dumb. As if we don't understand that those "cuts" can easily be undone then.
I know many people on these threads have said we've got to primary Boehner and Rogers (and Cantor), but seriously, we can't let this anger subside and if someone in the respective states can point out to us morons some credible challengers I'm sure we'll rise to the occassion.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at April 14, 2011 12:20 AM (7EV/g)
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Beck has this audio of Sanchez. It's shocking that she was ever elected although the commenters seem to have some insight into how she was elected and some criticism for our wussy congress. But wow, is she a bigot, straight up, no apologies.
Amazing how the vermin seem to come out too. There's a poster there claiming that Mexico is taking back the land that the US stole from them. Funny poster advised it isn't their land cause they killed the Indians to get it and so the Indians should get the land back if anyone.
The world has gone stark raving mad.
Amazing how the vermin seem to come out too. There's a poster there claiming that Mexico is taking back the land that the US stole from them. Funny poster advised it isn't their land cause they killed the Indians to get it and so the Indians should get the land back if anyone.
The world has gone stark raving mad.
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Posted by: NC Ref at April 14, 2011 01:40 AM (/izg2)
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and here's the blow up of the REAL CUTS:
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Posted by: schizoid at April 14, 2011 05:35 AM (8/J/u)
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If I hear people continue to say thing like "Keep the powder dry for Ryan's plane" again, I'm going to scream.
Here is where we are obviously at.The Tea Party leaders are standing strong....and....There aren't enough of them.
We have the same establishment types running the Republican party who are using the "EXACT" same playbook with the lies,deceit and self serving gambits that brought the country to the point it is now.
Ryan's plan needs to at least be quadruple checked by outside sources to see if this isn't just another ploy for the Nero types to look good while the country burns, and that the plan does what it says it will.
It is unfortunate but this years crop of leaders needed to lead on conviction and principles that the American people by and large need to get us back on track, those who we're given another chance to make things right have not changed.I no longer think they can/will, it's all about them, sad to say.
Here is where we are obviously at.The Tea Party leaders are standing strong....and....There aren't enough of them.
We have the same establishment types running the Republican party who are using the "EXACT" same playbook with the lies,deceit and self serving gambits that brought the country to the point it is now.
Ryan's plan needs to at least be quadruple checked by outside sources to see if this isn't just another ploy for the Nero types to look good while the country burns, and that the plan does what it says it will.
It is unfortunate but this years crop of leaders needed to lead on conviction and principles that the American people by and large need to get us back on track, those who we're given another chance to make things right have not changed.I no longer think they can/will, it's all about them, sad to say.
Posted by: Drider at April 14, 2011 06:14 AM (uJSfP)
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I'll believe that solving the budget crisis is more important than political sops when the people who keep telling me that solving the budget crisis is more important than political sops start acting like solving the budget crisis is more important than political sops.
Posted by: Original Roy at April 14, 2011 08:41 AM (wTawr)
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I'd like to know how it was 3-1 against Boehner.
Who were the 3 and where does McConnell fall into it?
Because I'm thinking it was Obama, Reid, and McConnell negotiating against Boehner. Pelosi really doesn't have any power or leverage to negotiate being in the minority in the House.
Who were the 3 and where does McConnell fall into it?
Because I'm thinking it was Obama, Reid, and McConnell negotiating against Boehner. Pelosi really doesn't have any power or leverage to negotiate being in the minority in the House.
Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at April 14, 2011 08:58 AM (jtrzE)
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Boehner'd been fcuked and he didn't even know it.
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