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Obama Admin Admits There Was No Electronic Problem Causing Toyota Sudden Acceleration
Months ago I wrote that the Obama Administration was sitting on an NHTSA report that would conclusively exonerate Toyota from charges that the electronics in its cars was causing them to suddenly accelerate. The Administration had almost no other choice but to delay in the face of weeks of statements by Administration officials and Democratic congressmen excoriating the automaker. (Overlawyered also covered the suppression charge and the NYTimes' participation in the attack on Toyota.)
Lo-and-behold, now that the election is over and Democrats can get no more camera time on the issue the report finally comes out.A federal investigation into the recall of Toyota vehicles found no electronic flaws to explain sudden, unintentional acceleration, according to a report released Tuesday by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The latest report came after a 10-month investigation into whether faulty electronics were responsible for the unintentional high-speed acceleration problem. But the investigation found no evidence for any causes for the unintended acceleration beyond sticking accelerator pedals and floor mat entrapment, though officials said they would consider steps to prevent drivers from pushing wrong the pedal.At one point, Transportation Secretary LaHood even announced that Toyota owners should return their cars to the dealers and demand refunds. Congressional Democrats were dragging Toyota executives to inquisitorial committee hearings all for an imaginary problem. Oops. Toyota issued several recalls to secure floor mats and adjust sticky brake pedals but the claim that some electronic goblin was causing their cars to accelerate out of control formed the heart of the inquisition. Ultimately, Toyota was forced to pay more than $48 million in fees because of the recalls and Toyota was the only full-line automaker in 2010 to post lower sales. Remember, this was completely predictable. It happened before. A few incidents get blown completely out of proportion by giddy lawmakers and credulous media and then every person in a fender-bender uses the "it just got away from me" excuse. File this one under "politicized science."
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I am glad you included "sudden stupid cow syndrome" from the 80s- it was the most hysterical part of "Parliament of Whores"
Posted by: CAC at February 08, 2011 06:24 PM (Gr1V1)
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All this makes me want to buy a Chevy Volt.
Posted by: fluffy at February 08, 2011 06:28 PM (SwkdU)
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It's easier to count how many times this administration has been right than wrong.
Which is about zero.
Which is about zero.
Posted by: mpfs, Leader of the Fish Stick Liberation Front& Jewish Cabal at February 08, 2011 06:29 PM (iYbLN)
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Funny, this is something that one of Toyota's competitors might have done.
Oh, wait...
Is hell big enough to house all of these people when they shed their mortal coils?
Oh, wait...
Is hell big enough to house all of these people when they shed their mortal coils?
Posted by: turfmann at February 08, 2011 06:30 PM (l4J9G)
Posted by: shibumi at February 08, 2011 06:30 PM (OKZrE)
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Even if there was a problem with Toyota vehicles, they shouldn't be held 100 percent culpable.
Sudden Unintended Acceleration can be countered very easily now days by shifting the vehicle into neutral, the rev limiter prevents engine damage and you still have power to brakes and the steering. Brake with a combination of regular and hand brakes. Once the vehicle is stopped, turn off the vehicle.
It is that simple.
Sudden Unintended Acceleration can be countered very easily now days by shifting the vehicle into neutral, the rev limiter prevents engine damage and you still have power to brakes and the steering. Brake with a combination of regular and hand brakes. Once the vehicle is stopped, turn off the vehicle.
It is that simple.
Posted by: Holger at February 08, 2011 06:34 PM (YxGud)
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Posted by: Holger at February 08, 2011 06:34 PM (YxGud)
It is a similar deal with going down a steep and long hill. If you use the brakes too much, the brakes heat up and loose their effectiveness or fail. Whenever you are going down a long steep grade you are supposed to down shift and let the engine keep the car from running away.
It is a similar deal with going down a steep and long hill. If you use the brakes too much, the brakes heat up and loose their effectiveness or fail. Whenever you are going down a long steep grade you are supposed to down shift and let the engine keep the car from running away.
Posted by: Holger at February 08, 2011 06:38 PM (YxGud)
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Tell me about it.
Posted by: Audi 5000 at February 08, 2011 06:38 PM (ogFrB)
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Boy what a shocker. Get in your car and slam the gas, then slam the brakes. It's not possible to keep going. It took me 38 seconds to figure that out.
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 06:39 PM (+sBB4)
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Ahhh...behold the power and corruption of union donations to democrats and the democrat media industrial complex.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 08, 2011 06:39 PM (xdHzq)
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Had to wait on the 2 minute Detroit attitude infomercial to air during the SB.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 06:39 PM (XBM1t)
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BULL SHIT
Posted by: 2 x 4 Signs R us at February 08, 2011 06:41 PM (+Zqli)
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Toyota should sue CNN
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 06:41 PM (+sBB4)
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It is that simple.
Posted by: Holger
In which fantastic country reside these capable drivers of which you write?
Posted by: Holger
In which fantastic country reside these capable drivers of which you write?
Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 08, 2011 06:41 PM (S59+B)
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Whatever happened to Obama's promise to restore science to its rightful place?
Posted by: Quicksilver Madness at February 08, 2011 06:42 PM (jZFWB)
Posted by: Audi Int'l at February 08, 2011 06:42 PM (+Zqli)
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We shall absolve no competitor of our false charges, before it is to our advantageto do so.
Posted by: Obammy Motors at February 08, 2011 06:42 PM (XBM1t)
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Posted by: Holger at February 08, 2011 06:34 PM
It's not that simple if you're trying to juggle cell phone calls to a family member, 911, a TV network and your attorney at the same time.
It's not that simple if you're trying to juggle cell phone calls to a family member, 911, a TV network and your attorney at the same time.
Posted by: MrScribbler© at February 08, 2011 06:42 PM (Ulu3i)
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This is what happens when ya let the fox into the chicken coop.
Posted by: nevergiveup at February 08, 2011 06:43 PM (0GFWk)
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Well, we have hundreds of universities that offer degrees in "political science." The evolution of language is an interesting thing. For example, "science" is now synonymous with "whore-mongering," but not as fun.
Posted by: George Orwell at February 08, 2011 06:44 PM (xeG08)
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BTW Mr. Ace, may I say that you are en fuego today!
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 06:44 PM (XBM1t)
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No no, Count. With our new Democrat science, Ace is no longer "en fuego." He is "flush with phlogiston."
Posted by: George Orwell at February 08, 2011 06:45 PM (xeG08)
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 06:46 PM (ogFrB)
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I thought this was a Gabe post?
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2011 06:47 PM (+Zqli)
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...the editorial 'Mr. Ace'?
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2011 06:48 PM (+Zqli)
Posted by: eman at February 08, 2011 06:48 PM (gZVTR)
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Gabe... Ace... all conservatives look alike to me.
Posted by: Democrat Science at February 08, 2011 06:48 PM (xeG08)
Posted by: BillyO at February 08, 2011 06:49 PM (SwkdU)
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my friend's reaction today was "so are they going to arrest or sue everyone who slandered them or lied"?
Posted by: curious at February 08, 2011 06:49 PM (p302b)
Posted by: CAC at February 08, 2011 06:49 PM (Gr1V1)
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Makes you want to use a Toyota to push a Chevy into a quarry.
Posted by: eman at February 08, 2011 06:48 PM (gZVTR)
I thought you drive your chevy to a levy?
Posted by: eman at February 08, 2011 06:48 PM (gZVTR)
I thought you drive your chevy to a levy?
Posted by: nevergiveup at February 08, 2011 06:49 PM (0GFWk)
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"Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:22 PM"
Posted by: curious at February 08, 2011 06:50 PM (p302b)
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Does this mean hey will refund the bogus fine? Probably not.
I would like to see Toyota sue the living shit out the officials PERSONALLY. But that will never happen,
I would like to see Toyota sue the living shit out the officials PERSONALLY. But that will never happen,
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 06:50 PM (M9Ie6)
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Don't think we can't re-engineer Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: Toyota Motors at February 08, 2011 06:50 PM (xeG08)
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 06:51 PM (+sBB4)
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The persistent problems with Toyota automobiles only emphasizes this coutry's urgent need for more high-speed trains.
Posted by: King Barry I "Piehole" at February 08, 2011 06:52 PM (QKKT0)
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This is what we do.
Posted by: Eminem at February 08, 2011 06:52 PM (xeG08)
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Don't think we can't re-engineer Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: Toyota Motors at February 08, 2011 06:50 PM (xeG0
Why bomb it when you can just buy it?
Posted by: Toyota Motors at February 08, 2011 06:50 PM (xeG0
Why bomb it when you can just buy it?
Posted by: nevergiveup at February 08, 2011 06:52 PM (0GFWk)
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I started seeing what the actual cause of these events was when someone let the cat out of the bag that most of these accidents involve "elderly" drivers.
Most likely people who should have given up driving many years before and who have no business on the road.
Most likely people who should have given up driving many years before and who have no business on the road.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 06:52 PM (M9Ie6)
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Japan had high-speed zeroes.
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 06:53 PM (+sBB4)
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Hey, they're just trying to recoup some of our money in a lame attempt at casting doubt on the quality of Our Car Company's competitor's products.
You know....lying.
GM can eat the corn outta my shit.
You know....lying.
GM can eat the corn outta my shit.
Posted by: Portnoy at February 08, 2011 06:53 PM (azgo2)
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There will be no elderly drivers after ObamaCare
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 06:54 PM (+sBB4)
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Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 06:52 PM (M9Ie6)
Get the hell off my lawn!!!
Get the hell off my lawn!!!
Posted by: Sen. John McCain at February 08, 2011 06:55 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: eman at February 08, 2011 06:55 PM (gZVTR)
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If everyone used Mass Transit...this would not have been a problem. See where we are going ....
Posted by: Paladin at February 08, 2011 06:55 PM (LTquJ)
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Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:22 PM
Ok all you smart guys. This is what happens when low reading comprehension meets irresistible urge to suck up.
Ok all you smart guys. This is what happens when low reading comprehension meets irresistible urge to suck up.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 06:55 PM (XBM1t)
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RINO charges should be filed against the GOP
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 06:55 PM (+sBB4)
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The demographics of the people with problems before the likelihood of a payout was in the mix should have told folks this was another Audi.
Posted by: Sekhmet at February 08, 2011 06:57 PM (gnEPW)
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Guess what Government Motors - I'm still not buying a Union made car from GM.
Never. Well, unless you kill the union and agree to do business w/market driven incentives under the modern and fair work rules of the US. Those don't include tax-payer subsidized bailouts.
Never. Well, unless you kill the union and agree to do business w/market driven incentives under the modern and fair work rules of the US. Those don't include tax-payer subsidized bailouts.
Posted by: Juji Fruit at February 08, 2011 06:57 PM (0fzsA)
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Way too many F-Bombs dropped!
In this You Tube Vid but I find the Midwestern sensibility that permeates the piece to be strangely compelling!
Proust had his cookies, those of us from Illinois, must make do with rants about how to drive a damn car!
In this You Tube Vid but I find the Midwestern sensibility that permeates the piece to be strangely compelling!
Proust had his cookies, those of us from Illinois, must make do with rants about how to drive a damn car!
Posted by: Deety wishes to be excluded from Polite Company at February 08, 2011 06:57 PM (Jb3+B)
Posted by: alexthechick at February 08, 2011 06:58 PM (qPgNK)
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Thedaily post count is too damn high!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 06:58 PM (XBM1t)
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RINO charges should be filed against the GOP
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 06:55 PM (+sBB4)
That made me think of cherrie pie.
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 06:55 PM (+sBB4)
That made me think of cherrie pie.
Posted by: eman at February 08, 2011 06:58 PM (gZVTR)
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Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 06:55 PM (XBM1t)
hhahhhahahha i didn't read, just guerilla posted and then went to a quick meeting so if I screwed up sorry...lol
hhahhhahahha i didn't read, just guerilla posted and then went to a quick meeting so if I screwed up sorry...lol
Posted by: curious at February 08, 2011 06:59 PM (p302b)
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I had a friend explain to me in detail that bothToyota and the Federal Goverment were covering up everything that was happening with Toyota cars and trucks because the Japanese were paying off the Fed, just so they could keep selling cars here in the US. He proceeded to tell me that I need to get rid of both my Toyota Corolla and My Toyota Tacoma because the wife and I were riding around in death traps and we would be dead soon unless we got rid of them. And the scary part is that he believes that.
Posted by: Johnnyreb at February 08, 2011 06:59 PM (NNrYJ)
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 07:00 PM (+sBB4)
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In an act of contrition for our shoddy treatment of the Toyota corporation, this administration proposes to make it up toToyota by using them as America's official supplier for my new High Speed Train legacy.
The Japanese have always been America's best and closest friend.
The Japanese have always been America's best and closest friend.
Posted by: Obama Lama Dingdong at February 08, 2011 07:01 PM (J74Py)
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Way too many F-Bombs dropped!
Posted by: Deety wishes to be excluded from Polite Company at February 08, 2011 06:57 PM (Jb3+B)
Wrong site to be complaining about that
Way too many F-Bombs dropped!
Posted by: Deety wishes to be excluded from Polite Company at February 08, 2011 06:57 PM (Jb3+B)
Wrong site to be complaining about that
Posted by: Sekhmet at February 08, 2011 07:02 PM (gnEPW)
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I have determined that the cause of the horrific crashes was not due to faulty throttles or sudden acceleration. Instead, anthropogenic climate change has caused the fabric of spacetime to violently contract, what with all the heat and stuff. One minute you're playing Minesweeper on your wheelchair computer, the next you are ramming into a concrete embankment at 120 mph because space itself has folded from all the SUVs and incandescent bulbs. It's a bitch.
Posted by: Stephen Fucking Hawking at February 08, 2011 07:02 PM (xeG08)
Posted by: Portnoy at February 08, 2011 07:03 PM (azgo2)
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Posted by: curious at February 08, 2011 06:59 PM (p302b)
No, I screwed up. You were correct.
No, I screwed up. You were correct.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 07:03 PM (XBM1t)
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high-speed train: "Line up single file, with a 90 second limit"
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 07:03 PM (+sBB4)
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Sudden Unintended Acceleration can be countered very easily now days by...
Ghosts can be stopped by placing them in the Ecto-Containment Unit.
The Death Star can be destroyed by using the Force to aim glowing balls at its butthole.
The Red Sword of Uirdn Kief can be countered with the Blue Shield of Dvica Slorta—
Hey! This is useful real-world advice, people! Pay attention!
Ghosts can be stopped by placing them in the Ecto-Containment Unit.
The Death Star can be destroyed by using the Force to aim glowing balls at its butthole.
The Red Sword of Uirdn Kief can be countered with the Blue Shield of Dvica Slorta—
Hey! This is useful real-world advice, people! Pay attention!
Posted by: oblig. at February 08, 2011 07:04 PM (xvZW9)
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high-speed train: "Line up single file, with a 90 second limit"
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 07:03 PM (+sBB4)
the comment on the "high speed rail" thread about the germans using trains really makes you pause.
high-speed train: "Line up single file, with a 90 second limit"
Posted by: Cherry π at February 08, 2011 07:03 PM (+sBB4)
the comment on the "high speed rail" thread about the germans using trains really makes you pause.
Posted by: curious at February 08, 2011 07:04 PM (p302b)
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I thought you drive your chevy to a levy?
I believe TV's Andy Levy can be of service for all your Chevy protest needs.
(not an official sockpuppet b/c didn't want to chance the actual guy commenting here)
I believe TV's Andy Levy can be of service for all your Chevy protest needs.
(not an official sockpuppet b/c didn't want to chance the actual guy commenting here)
Posted by: Guy of Gisbourne at February 08, 2011 07:05 PM (1GApF)
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The Japanese have always been America's best and closest friend.
Posted by: Obama Lama Dingdong at February 08, 2011 07:01 PM (J74Py)
I hear they're pretty good at math too.......Kinda short fellas, clean though...but I can't understand a goddamn thing they say....
The Japanese have always been America's best and closest friend.
Posted by: Obama Lama Dingdong at February 08, 2011 07:01 PM (J74Py)
I hear they're pretty good at math too.......Kinda short fellas, clean though...but I can't understand a goddamn thing they say....
Posted by: Sheriff Joe at February 08, 2011 07:05 PM (azgo2)
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Ralph Nader built a lifelong career on bending the truth about vehicles going back to the Corvair.
Design wise, the Corvair was similar to the VW beetle and only exhibited the claimed "dangerous" handling characteristics if people failed to inflate the tires with the prescribed pressure differential front/back. VW also recommended the same pressure differential to tame the jacking and over steer effects of swing axle rear engine cars.
Design wise, the Corvair was similar to the VW beetle and only exhibited the claimed "dangerous" handling characteristics if people failed to inflate the tires with the prescribed pressure differential front/back. VW also recommended the same pressure differential to tame the jacking and over steer effects of swing axle rear engine cars.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:06 PM (ORIbF)
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Posted by: Sheriff Joe at February 08, 2011 07:05 PM (azgo2)
but, they don't run 7-11's and they are never at the home depot
but, they don't run 7-11's and they are never at the home depot
Posted by: curious at February 08, 2011 07:06 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Guy of Gisbourne at February 08, 2011 07:06 PM (1GApF)
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Instead, anthropogenic climate change has caused the fabric of spacetime
to violently contract, what with all the heat and stuff.
I still hold out hope that Gojira will show up on the Mall.
to violently contract, what with all the heat and stuff.
I still hold out hope that Gojira will show up on the Mall.
Posted by: alexthechick at February 08, 2011 07:07 PM (qPgNK)
Posted by: gorilla at February 08, 2011 07:07 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 08, 2011 07:08 PM (c0A3e)
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The Toyota Execs should get to line up and kick the guy who called 911 from his car in the balls.
One free shot, each.
One free shot, each.
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2011 07:09 PM (+Zqli)
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That was no design defect. That was my wife.
Posted by: Henny Youngman at February 08, 2011 07:10 PM (QKKT0)
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Is that like guerilla sex?
Gorilla Sex ain't got nothin' on a good old fashioned Troll Fuck.
Gorilla Sex ain't got nothin' on a good old fashioned Troll Fuck.
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2011 07:10 PM (+Zqli)
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Unbelievable
Posted by: John at February 08, 2011 07:10 PM (lqR89)
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Posted by: curious at February 08, 2011 07:06 PM (p302b)
Yeah, it's too bad we owe them all this money...We shoulda whupped their asses back in the 60's when that Ho Chi Min fella was running things...
Yeah, it's too bad we owe them all this money...We shoulda whupped their asses back in the 60's when that Ho Chi Min fella was running things...
Posted by: Sheriff Joe at February 08, 2011 07:10 PM (azgo2)
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>>...the Obama Administration was sitting on an NHTSA report that would conclusively exonerate Toyota...<<
This comes as no surprise; Toyota USA isn't under the heavy thumb of UAW.
This comes as no surprise; Toyota USA isn't under the heavy thumb of UAW.
Posted by: Stillwater at February 08, 2011 07:10 PM (0GpN4)
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I am really starting to despise democrats. Even the rank and file share in the complicity of their lies and crimes by sending shitbags back to office time and time again.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at February 08, 2011 07:11 PM (EH4cc)
Posted by: Juji Fruit at February 08, 2011 07:12 PM (0fzsA)
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But hey, check Weasel Zippers for story on GM's plans to bonus its 53,000 unionized hourly workers$3,000 or soea. GM's previous high payout like this was in 1999 for $1,775.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 07:12 PM (XBM1t)
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67 Ralph Nader built a lifelong career on bending the truth about vehicles going back to the Corvair. Design wise, the Corvair was similar to the VW beetle and only exhibited the claimed "dangerous" handling characteristics if people failed to inflate the tires with the prescribed pressure differential front/back. VW also recommended the same pressure differential to tame the jacking and over steer effects of swing axle rear engine cars.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:06 PM (ORIbF)
My father spent two decades playing around with various makes and models of Corvairs, and he loved them. The best car he ever found is what he said. We usually had about 5 or 6 of those things sitting around the yard at any given time. I rode/drove around in them from about age 1 to age 18+ and never once experienced any handling problems if the car was properly serviced. Wish we still had a few of the Spyders around.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:06 PM (ORIbF)
My father spent two decades playing around with various makes and models of Corvairs, and he loved them. The best car he ever found is what he said. We usually had about 5 or 6 of those things sitting around the yard at any given time. I rode/drove around in them from about age 1 to age 18+ and never once experienced any handling problems if the car was properly serviced. Wish we still had a few of the Spyders around.
Posted by: Johnnyreb at February 08, 2011 07:12 PM (NNrYJ)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:14 PM (gDbxE)
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You know, if Toyota just unionized and asked the government to bail it out and turn it over to us, this unpleasantness could have been avoided.
Posted by: The UAW at February 08, 2011 07:14 PM (xeG08)
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Give me what company was butt bucked with the charge of Sudden Unintended Acceleration for $800 Alex?
Give me what company was butt bucked with the charge of Sudden Unintended Acceleration for $800 Alex?
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 08, 2011 07:15 PM (ZHsNw)
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79
I am really starting to despise democrats. Even the rank and file share
in the complicity of their lies and crimes by sending shitbags back to
office time and time again.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at February 08, 2011 07:11 PM (EH4cc)
You ain't kidding. I was the dumbass for not requesting additional withholding, but shitfuck, I didn't think the goddamn stimufuck would mean my withholding for last year would be ZERO. ZERO, people, as in the dirtpipe milkshake in the White House zero. I want to slap something now.
I am really starting to despise democrats. Even the rank and file share
in the complicity of their lies and crimes by sending shitbags back to
office time and time again.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at February 08, 2011 07:11 PM (EH4cc)
You ain't kidding. I was the dumbass for not requesting additional withholding, but shitfuck, I didn't think the goddamn stimufuck would mean my withholding for last year would be ZERO. ZERO, people, as in the dirtpipe milkshake in the White House zero. I want to slap something now.
Posted by: Sekhmet at February 08, 2011 07:15 PM (gnEPW)
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I just read in the sidebar that Jaclyn Smith and Cheryl Ladd killed a guy at a California Cock Fight.
That sounds... Hot!
That sounds... Hot!
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2011 07:17 PM (+Zqli)
Posted by: Portnoy at February 08, 2011 07:18 PM (azgo2)
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I just read in the sidebar that Jaclyn Smith and Cheryl Ladd killed a guy at a California Cock Fight.
If I have to go...I'll take it.
If I have to go...I'll take it.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:18 PM (gDbxE)
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Boy do I miss the old days. Henry Waxman, his nose hairs flailing around like bullwhips at a Madonna concert, giving Toyota execs a third degree noogie.
Yep, those were the days.
Yep, those were the days.
Posted by: GnuBreed, practicing to be a liberal at February 08, 2011 07:18 PM (bvXGR)
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Obama Admin Admits There Was No Electronic Problem Causing Toyota Sudden Acceleration
Next thing your gonna tell me is that the Obama Admin admits those 3 jewish bedrooms on the West Bank isn't the root of all evil?
Next thing your gonna tell me is that the Obama Admin admits those 3 jewish bedrooms on the West Bank isn't the root of all evil?
Posted by: nevergiveup at February 08, 2011 07:19 PM (0GFWk)
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I just read in the sidebar that Jaclyn Smith and Cheryl Ladd killed a guy at a California Cock Fight.
I saw a recent pic of Cheryl Tiegs, and she still looks fantastic too.
Compare and contrast, with, say Carrie Fisher. Yeeeesh.
I saw a recent pic of Cheryl Tiegs, and she still looks fantastic too.
Compare and contrast, with, say Carrie Fisher. Yeeeesh.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 07:19 PM (ogFrB)
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I started seeing what the actual cause of these events was when someone
let the cat out of the bag that most of these accidents involve
"elderly" drivers.
I wrote about that too, Vic. It was a startling and statistically impossible coincidence. At least until the "sudden exaggeration" became mainstream after the media went nuts, the vast majority of folks reporting surprise, sudden acceleration were eligible for Medicare...
let the cat out of the bag that most of these accidents involve
"elderly" drivers.
I wrote about that too, Vic. It was a startling and statistically impossible coincidence. At least until the "sudden exaggeration" became mainstream after the media went nuts, the vast majority of folks reporting surprise, sudden acceleration were eligible for Medicare...
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at February 08, 2011 07:20 PM (XVaFd)
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The administration has been forthright about the problem with Toyota vehicles, and after exhaustive analysis, we only now know the truth about the circumspect engineering of these automobiles.
The administration has been forthright about the problem with Toyota vehicles, and after exhaustive analysis, we only now know the truth about the circumspect engineering of these automobiles.
Posted by: Robert Gibster, POTUS Mouthpiece at February 08, 2011 07:21 PM (ZHsNw)
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The people who had the problem were mostly elderly getting the pedals backwards, or the short wives of tall men who don't re-adjust the car seat like they should when they drive after their husbands. It's called human error.
Posted by: Sekhmet at February 08, 2011 07:23 PM (gnEPW)
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At least some fucking Congressassholes got to call an evil money-grubbing CEO to the carpet and berate him in front of cameras microphones as if he were a child and they the font of all wisdom. So, Mission Accomplished for them.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 07:23 PM (ogFrB)
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I always thought Jaclyn Smith was the best looking one on there. She has always been the classiest as well.
Never see her running up and down the strip getting drunk, shooting smack, and getting out of a car with no panties.
Never see her running up and down the strip getting drunk, shooting smack, and getting out of a car with no panties.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 07:24 PM (M9Ie6)
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But hey, check Weasel Zippers for story on GM's
plans to bonus its 53,000 unionized hourly workers$3,000 or soea.
GM's previous high payout like this was in 1999 for $1,775.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 07:12 PM (XBM1t)
@ $375 avg per head donation to a democrat it's a nifty twenty mil.
plans to bonus its 53,000 unionized hourly workers$3,000 or soea.
GM's previous high payout like this was in 1999 for $1,775.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 08, 2011 07:12 PM (XBM1t)
@ $375 avg per head donation to a democrat it's a nifty twenty mil.
Posted by: Beto at February 08, 2011 07:24 PM (H+LJc)
99
O/T:
3 Churches in the South burned by racist rednecks!!!
And by the South I mean Indonesia ....
"Mobs destroyed three churches in Temanggung, Central Java, on Tuesday in
violence that broke out following a blasphemy hearing against defendant
Antonius Richmond Bawengan."
3 Churches in the South burned by racist rednecks!!!
And by the South I mean Indonesia ....
"Mobs destroyed three churches in Temanggung, Central Java, on Tuesday in
violence that broke out following a blasphemy hearing against defendant
Antonius Richmond Bawengan."
Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 08, 2011 07:24 PM (S59+B)
100
The people who had the problem were mostly elderly getting the pedals backwards, or the short wives of tall men who don't re-adjust the car seat like they should when they drive after their husbands. It's called human error.
Posted by: Sekhmet at February 08, 2011 07:23 PM (gnEPW)
Sounds to me like you are blaming old jewish people from florida and arizona? Is this a jewish joke?
Posted by: Sekhmet at February 08, 2011 07:23 PM (gnEPW)
Sounds to me like you are blaming old jewish people from florida and arizona? Is this a jewish joke?
Posted by: nevergiveup at February 08, 2011 07:24 PM (0GFWk)
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Never see her running up and down the strip getting drunk, shooting smack, and getting out of a car with no panties.
This is a positive?
This is a positive?
Posted by: Cicero at February 08, 2011 07:25 PM (QKKT0)
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The recently released information about Toyota in no way absolves the company of any liability regarding any engineering defect found in the future by the very capable staff at Homeland Security chaired by Janet Napolitano, first cousin of Judge Andrew Napolitano or something.
The recently released information about Toyota in no way absolves the company of any liability regarding any engineering defect found in the future by the very capable staff at Homeland Security chaired by Janet Napolitano, first cousin of Judge Andrew Napolitano or something.
Posted by: Joe "Slow Joe" Biden at February 08, 2011 07:25 PM (ZHsNw)
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Never see her running up and down the strip getting drunk, shooting smack, and getting out of a car with no panties.
Alas, a moron can dream...
Alas, a moron can dream...
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2011 07:26 PM (+Zqli)
104
Sounds to me like you are blaming old jewish people from florida and arizona? Is this a jewish joke?
Posted by: nevergiveup at February 08, 2011 07:24 PM (0GFWk)
Being short and old happens to a lot of ladies...
Posted by: nevergiveup at February 08, 2011 07:24 PM (0GFWk)
Being short and old happens to a lot of ladies...
Posted by: Sekhmet at February 08, 2011 07:26 PM (gnEPW)
105
Oops. Mistakes were made.
Posted by: LaHood at February 08, 2011 07:27 PM (XBM1t)
106
It was a startling and statistically impossible coincidence.
Yea, lots of those kinda things...like the Firestone tire "problems" Ford was having on the SUV's. Curious that the incidents were heavily biased towards southern states.
Gosh, underinflate a tire by 10lb or so, put it on a 5-6,000lb vehicle, run it at 80mph down a southern freeway, on a hot day, and its not surprising at all it delams.
Maybe those Firestones weren't the best quality, but inflated correctly and driven at sane speeds the tire was intened to be driven at, the delam issues would have been statistical noise level.
Yea, lots of those kinda things...like the Firestone tire "problems" Ford was having on the SUV's. Curious that the incidents were heavily biased towards southern states.
Gosh, underinflate a tire by 10lb or so, put it on a 5-6,000lb vehicle, run it at 80mph down a southern freeway, on a hot day, and its not surprising at all it delams.
Maybe those Firestones weren't the best quality, but inflated correctly and driven at sane speeds the tire was intened to be driven at, the delam issues would have been statistical noise level.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:28 PM (ORIbF)
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You mean there is no mechanical problem........what the hell are we supposed to do?
Posted by: America Trial Lawyers at February 08, 2011 07:28 PM (OWjjx)
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Hey, it helped this guy out anyways.....http://tinyurl.com/4vxwa9z
I'm sure this news is a comfort to the Government Attorney that vacated the case and decided not to do the trial over....
I'm sure this news is a comfort to the Government Attorney that vacated the case and decided not to do the trial over....
Posted by: Portnoy at February 08, 2011 07:29 PM (azgo2)
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You mean there is no mechanical problem........what the hell are we supposed to do?
Hey Rocky, watch me pull a lawsuit outta my ass!
Hey Rocky, watch me pull a lawsuit outta my ass!
Posted by: Trial Lawyers at February 08, 2011 07:29 PM (QKKT0)
110
Maybe those Firestones weren't the best quality, but inflated correctly
and driven at sane speeds the tire was intened to be driven at, the
delam issues would have been statistical noise level.
Also, don't freak out like a spastic rhesus monkey wired on meth when it does delaminate, and you don't roll your SUV either.
and driven at sane speeds the tire was intened to be driven at, the
delam issues would have been statistical noise level.
Also, don't freak out like a spastic rhesus monkey wired on meth when it does delaminate, and you don't roll your SUV either.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 07:30 PM (ogFrB)
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Just looked up Kate Jackson - holy shit, who butchered her eyes?
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 07:35 PM (ogFrB)
112
106--That Firestone debacle was the nastiest scam I've ever seen foisted on a tire company. I was in the auto industry ay that time, several fleet accounts we serviced used those identical tires, down to the DOT numbers. They were used on service vans, which were grossly overloaded (not unusual), but we (my co) serviced the vans on a regular basis. We never experienced any delam or other failures with any tire. All we did was replace them due to normal wear.
That was total bullshit from the word go.
That was total bullshit from the word go.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 08, 2011 07:35 PM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Reese's Monkey at February 08, 2011 07:35 PM (SwkdU)
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don't freak out like a spastic rhesus monkey wired on meth
As several of our cabinet agencies are run in this manner, I think your analogy has additional spin-off applications.
As several of our cabinet agencies are run in this manner, I think your analogy has additional spin-off applications.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:35 PM (gDbxE)
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I knew the sudden acceleration thing was bullshit from the get go, remembering the same hoax from twenty years ago, with Mercedes, I think. I profited from this one by buying my Prius when all this trash talk depressed the price of the car. I didn't pay a premium for my Prius and they gave me full blue book plus $25 on my trade in. In other words, they lowered the price by about $2000with a gimmick. I'm only sorry I didn't wait another couple months when they were giving away free iPads with each car.
A Japanese journalist interviewed me during my first oil change three months later, asking me why I bought the car. I told him I trust Toyota more than I trust the media.
A Japanese journalist interviewed me during my first oil change three months later, asking me why I bought the car. I told him I trust Toyota more than I trust the media.
Posted by: Tantor at February 08, 2011 07:37 PM (blNMI)
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though officials said they would consider steps to prevent drivers from pushing wrong the pedal.
Oh, fuck me running sideways, they're going to "fix" it.
I can't think of anything they could possibly do that won't be ten times worse than the problem.
You don't fix radical, chronic incompetence by moving the pedals around or sticking $500 worth of electronics in to override the driver's judgment at the worst possible moment, you bureaucratic fucksticks.
ARGH I'm gonna have an aneurysm.
Oh, fuck me running sideways, they're going to "fix" it.
I can't think of anything they could possibly do that won't be ten times worse than the problem.
You don't fix radical, chronic incompetence by moving the pedals around or sticking $500 worth of electronics in to override the driver's judgment at the worst possible moment, you bureaucratic fucksticks.
ARGH I'm gonna have an aneurysm.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 07:39 PM (bxiXv)
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It is a similar deal with going down a steep and long hill. If you use the brakes too much, the brakes heat up and loose their effectiveness or fail. Whenever you are going down a long steep grade you are supposed to down shift and let the engine keep the car from running away.
Posted by: Holger at February 08, 2011 06:38 PM (YxGud)
One of my pet peeves about the auto industry is that they save money in the worst places. Like brake pads.There are brake pads that will not do this to you (unless you're speeding madly on the longest hill in the world), and it would add about $10 per vehicle.But still they use crap. One of the first things I replace on any vehicle.
Posted by: Holger at February 08, 2011 06:38 PM (YxGud)
One of my pet peeves about the auto industry is that they save money in the worst places. Like brake pads.There are brake pads that will not do this to you (unless you're speeding madly on the longest hill in the world), and it would add about $10 per vehicle.But still they use crap. One of the first things I replace on any vehicle.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 07:40 PM (bxiXv)
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I've had Toyotas for thirty years and, other than them pissing me off by fucking around with the sightlines in the car and minor things on the interior, I'm a completely satisfied customer and knew that the bullshit they were going through was a bunch of garbage. Hell I once thought I had a problem with a previous car only to find out is was my own fucking fault and was almost too embarrassed to show my face afterward; something that the fuckheads with the original complaints should take to heart.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 08, 2011 07:41 PM (eh+ki)
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The toyota sudden acceleration spoof was created by the MMR autistics
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 07:42 PM (HLFbQ)
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I knew the sudden acceleration thing was bullshit from the get go,
remembering the same hoax from twenty years ago, with Mercedes, I
think.
Audis. See P.J. O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores for the rundown. Epic media and lawyer driven stupidity. Pun fully intended.
remembering the same hoax from twenty years ago, with Mercedes, I
think.
Audis. See P.J. O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores for the rundown. Epic media and lawyer driven stupidity. Pun fully intended.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:43 PM (gDbxE)
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We never experienced any delam or other failures with any tire.
Inflation pressure was the key thing. The idiots at Ford recommended an inflation pressure significantly lower than Firestone's minimum so "the ride" would be like a comfy sofa.
Of course that raised rolling resistance and internal friction within the rubber beyond its design specs.
Your vans were probably going out inflated near the recommended maximums, which kept internal heating subdued even when overloaded, and fleet drivers don't last too long when they start too many collecting speeding tickets...
Inflation pressure was the key thing. The idiots at Ford recommended an inflation pressure significantly lower than Firestone's minimum so "the ride" would be like a comfy sofa.
Of course that raised rolling resistance and internal friction within the rubber beyond its design specs.
Your vans were probably going out inflated near the recommended maximums, which kept internal heating subdued even when overloaded, and fleet drivers don't last too long when they start too many collecting speeding tickets...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:44 PM (ORIbF)
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Hell I once thought I had a problem with a previous car only to find
out is was my own fucking fault and was almost too embarrassed to show
my face afterward; something that the fuckheads with the original
complaints should take to heart.
Another analogy. Apply to Jimmah and those who voted for you-know-who in 2008.
out is was my own fucking fault and was almost too embarrassed to show
my face afterward; something that the fuckheads with the original
complaints should take to heart.
Another analogy. Apply to Jimmah and those who voted for you-know-who in 2008.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:44 PM (gDbxE)
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I think that headline should read:
"Obama Admits There Was No Electronic
Problem Causing Toyota Sudden Acceleration"
We need to take to heart the Alinsky technique. Personalize the problem. Make everything Obama's fault! Use the left's strategy against them.
"Obama Admits There Was No Electronic
Problem Causing Toyota Sudden Acceleration"
We need to take to heart the Alinsky technique. Personalize the problem. Make everything Obama's fault! Use the left's strategy against them.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 08, 2011 07:45 PM (LH6ir)
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The idiots at Chrysler were putting 4 quarts of oil in my Pacifica instead of 5. Took me a while to find out wtf was going on.
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 07:45 PM (HLFbQ)
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though officials said they would consider steps to prevent drivers from pushing wrong the pedal.Haha--so are they going to paint the brake pedal RED and the accelerator GREEN? Oh, wait, no...the drivermight be colorblind...
Ok, a motion detector on each pedal w/device toemit "stop!" or "go!" as driver's footapproaches????
Ok, a motion detector on each pedal w/device toemit "stop!" or "go!" as driver's footapproaches????
Posted by: Stillwater at February 08, 2011 07:45 PM (0GpN4)
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With the help of teh stoopid, I will destroy capitalism yet!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Toonces Obama at February 08, 2011 07:46 PM (vbh31)
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remembering the same hoax from twenty years ago, with Mercedes, I think.
I think it was the original Audi A6's that introduced that goofy 5-cyl engine. People were stepping on the gas when they thought they were stepping on the brakes.
I think it was the original Audi A6's that introduced that goofy 5-cyl engine. People were stepping on the gas when they thought they were stepping on the brakes.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:46 PM (ORIbF)
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I remember when they did this to GM back in the 90's. The gas tank "controversy" that was totally made up...and forced a redesign.
Things never change...just the targets.
Things never change...just the targets.
Posted by: seguin at February 08, 2011 07:46 PM (y0Y96)
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Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 07:40 PM (bxiXv)
High quality ceramic brake pads are slightly cheaper than the composite ones for my truck. Those will be going on soon.
High quality ceramic brake pads are slightly cheaper than the composite ones for my truck. Those will be going on soon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 08, 2011 07:47 PM (LH6ir)
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Never see her running up and down the strip getting drunk, shooting smack, and getting out of a car with no panties.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 07:24 PM (M9Ie6)
I always hated her for that.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 07:24 PM (M9Ie6)
I always hated her for that.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 08, 2011 07:47 PM (BvBKY)
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I think it was the original Audi A6's that introduced that goofy 5-cyl engine. People were stepping on the gas when they thought they were stepping on the brakes.
It was. My brother in law had that Audi and we would stand in front of it and scream just to piss him off. Nobody died.
It was. My brother in law had that Audi and we would stand in front of it and scream just to piss him off. Nobody died.
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 07:48 PM (HLFbQ)
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I think it was the original Audi A6's that introduced that goofy 5-cyl engine. People were stepping on the gas when they thought they were stepping on the brakes.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:46 PM (ORIbF)
It was Audi, but it was a decade before the A-series.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:46 PM (ORIbF)
It was Audi, but it was a decade before the A-series.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 07:49 PM (bxiXv)
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Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2011 07:26 PM (+Zqli)Posted by: Cicero at February 08, 2011 07:25 PM (QKKT0)
Not one, but two perverts beat me to the joke.
Not one, but two perverts beat me to the joke.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 08, 2011 07:50 PM (LH6ir)
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The idiots at Chrysler were putting 4 quarts of oil in my Pacifica instead of 5.
Demand they pre-fill the oil filter before spinning it on. The vast majority of service people don't do this and the engine will have several seconds of zero-pressure when its first started again.
Whenever I change my oil, I *always* prefill the filter. It usually takes a minute or more to accomplish because it takes a few fillings before the oil soaks completely through the filter.
Demand they pre-fill the oil filter before spinning it on. The vast majority of service people don't do this and the engine will have several seconds of zero-pressure when its first started again.
Whenever I change my oil, I *always* prefill the filter. It usually takes a minute or more to accomplish because it takes a few fillings before the oil soaks completely through the filter.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:50 PM (ORIbF)
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It was like 1986? with the audi. I have no idea when the A series came out. I try to buy american. Now, I don't even know what that would be other than obamamotors. Ford recently pissed me off so.........
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 07:51 PM (HLFbQ)
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your government: killing liberty, freedom, prosperity and foreign companies bottom lines.
Posted by: evil libertarian at February 08, 2011 07:51 PM (HfvA9)
137
Oh yea - the Audi 5000. Its what essentially became the later A6.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:51 PM (ORIbF)
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I remember when they did this to GM back in the 90's. The gas tank
"controversy" that was totally made up...and forced a redesign.
NBC "News" put igniters on the gas tanks for a segment on Dateline.
On. the. tanks.
"controversy" that was totally made up...and forced a redesign.
NBC "News" put igniters on the gas tanks for a segment on Dateline.
On. the. tanks.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:52 PM (gDbxE)
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I remember when they did this to GM back in the 90's. The gas tank "controversy" that was totally made up...and forced a redesign.Things never change...just the targets.-------------------------------------------------
Wasn't it 60 Minutes that rigged up a truck to "help" it explode?
Wasn't it 60 Minutes that rigged up a truck to "help" it explode?
Posted by: Taxpayer at February 08, 2011 07:52 PM (NpmCe)
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How often do you change the filter on the cat? Probably not often enough.
Posted by: Cat Filter Spammer at February 08, 2011 07:53 PM (QKKT0)
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134 Thanks. I changed people. I love these new guys but I'll tell them what you said.
My 90 year old mother was the one who figured it out. Like she says, she's not naturally brillant but she's been around a while and has had a lot of things happen.
My 90 year old mother was the one who figured it out. Like she says, she's not naturally brillant but she's been around a while and has had a lot of things happen.
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 07:53 PM (HLFbQ)
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Whenever I change my oil, I *always* prefill the filter.
With half of the cars I've owned most of the oil would have spilled out when you put it on.
Whenever I change my oil, I *always* prefill the filter.
With half of the cars I've owned most of the oil would have spilled out when you put it on.
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 08, 2011 07:54 PM (7+pP9)
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My obgyn once found a Toyota up my cooter.
Posted by: Arianna Muffington at February 08, 2011 07:54 PM (vbh31)
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High quality ceramic brake pads are slightly cheaper than the composite ones for my truck. Those will be going on soon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 08, 2011 07:47 PM (LH6ir)
Do your homework, though. Almost everything most "brake shops" and dealerships carries is crap. I like EBC and they carry most car fitments. Hawks may be better but for less cars. They all make different types for different vehicles/uses.
Don't even GLANCE at "consumer reviews," look for reviews where they actually test the product.Some brake shops can order EBC, they're not much more expensive than the "premium crap."Nobody can beat the price on the really cheap crap, but then, nobody wants to end up halfway through a tree, either.Like I said, pet peeve of mine.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 08, 2011 07:47 PM (LH6ir)
Do your homework, though. Almost everything most "brake shops" and dealerships carries is crap. I like EBC and they carry most car fitments. Hawks may be better but for less cars. They all make different types for different vehicles/uses.
Don't even GLANCE at "consumer reviews," look for reviews where they actually test the product.Some brake shops can order EBC, they're not much more expensive than the "premium crap."Nobody can beat the price on the really cheap crap, but then, nobody wants to end up halfway through a tree, either.Like I said, pet peeve of mine.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 07:54 PM (bxiXv)
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I wonder if this means that the Gremlin or the Pacer (which one blew up?) was actually fine?
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 07:54 PM (HLFbQ)
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Lousy brakes on newer vehicles? How about , when you're downsizing the fucking thing, leave the goddamn brakes ALONE. Front drive cars have 80to85% of their weight up front. Every manufacturer downsized the rotors along with the rest of the car--thereby making the difficult job of braking the vehicle harder. Hence the brakes wearing out in 10k. Or in GM's case, outsourcing their rotors to China, and getting some total pieces of shit. I observed countless instances of rusting on the machined surface, which decreased the swept brake area, leading to decreased stopping power. Some became evident within 3 to 5 k miles, on certain GM models.
Lousy brakes on newer vehicles? How about , when you're downsizing the fucking thing, leave the goddamn brakes ALONE. Front drive cars have 80to85% of their weight up front. Every manufacturer downsized the rotors along with the rest of the car--thereby making the difficult job of braking the vehicle harder. Hence the brakes wearing out in 10k. Or in GM's case, outsourcing their rotors to China, and getting some total pieces of shit. I observed countless instances of rusting on the machined surface, which decreased the swept brake area, leading to decreased stopping power. Some became evident within 3 to 5 k miles, on certain GM models.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 08, 2011 07:56 PM (ud5dN)
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the Gremlin or the Pacer
I think that was the Pinto.
I think that was the Pinto.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 07:56 PM (A0VTZ)
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It was the Pinto and no it wasn't fine. It actually was a mobile firebomb.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 07:57 PM (hVDig)
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Ironically, Toyota was the only auto company investing in the US and adding thousands of high paying (non-union) manufacturing jobs. The humiliation that Akio Toyoda, grandson of the founder, suffered by being dragged in front of the congressional goon squad will never be forgotten. And after that shakedown, you can be sure they will not invest in any more American jobs.
And Obama wonders why no company will invest in the US?
And Obama wonders why no company will invest in the US?
Posted by: Ricki at February 08, 2011 07:57 PM (xHKos)
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Front drive cars have 80to85% of their weight up front. Every
manufacturer downsized the rotors along with the rest of the
car--thereby making the difficult job of braking the vehicle harder.
That's dangerously close to merging mathematics with physical science....physics, if you will.
manufacturer downsized the rotors along with the rest of the
car--thereby making the difficult job of braking the vehicle harder.
That's dangerously close to merging mathematics with physical science....physics, if you will.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:58 PM (gDbxE)
151
Jim Geraghty gives AOSHQ a shout on Hugh Hewitt's show, regarding the timidity of GOP spending cuts.
Posted by: George Orwell at February 08, 2011 07:58 PM (xeG08)
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Your Americans amaze me. East Germany made the best cars but what are these 'Brakes" you talk about?
Posted by: Trabant at February 08, 2011 07:58 PM (0GFWk)
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I think that was the Pinto.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 07:56 PM (A0VTZ)
Yeah, it was but that scam was done totally by the trial lawyers. The Pinto statistically was involved in no more fires than any other auto in a rear ended collision.That suit was the auto version of "talking to dead babies".
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 07:56 PM (A0VTZ)
Yeah, it was but that scam was done totally by the trial lawyers. The Pinto statistically was involved in no more fires than any other auto in a rear ended collision.That suit was the auto version of "talking to dead babies".
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 07:59 PM (M9Ie6)
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Ford Pintos were the rolling bombs. It was apparently a pretty simple fix with them to mitigate the circumstances. There were some too long bolts that would gash the tank open in a crash. Substitute shorter bolts.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:59 PM (ORIbF)
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I wonder if this means that the Gremlin or the Pacer (which one blew up?) was actually fine?
Hey, I'm right here!!
Hey, I'm right here!!
Posted by: Ford Pinto at February 08, 2011 07:59 PM (SwkdU)
156
NBC "News" put igniters on the gas tanks for a segment on Dateline.
On. the. tanks.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:52 PM (gDbxE)
And Consumer Distorts built a machine that could turn the steering wheel faster than humanly possible, and added weights to the car, to make the Suzuki Samurai flip over. It was a crap car, but it doesn't deserve its reputation.
Some days you just wanna puke.
On. the. tanks.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 07:52 PM (gDbxE)
And Consumer Distorts built a machine that could turn the steering wheel faster than humanly possible, and added weights to the car, to make the Suzuki Samurai flip over. It was a crap car, but it doesn't deserve its reputation.
Some days you just wanna puke.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 07:59 PM (bxiXv)
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Jim Geraghty gives AOSHQ a shout on Hugh Hewitt's show
Yeah, but who does that benefit?
Yeah, but who does that benefit?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:01 PM (A0VTZ)
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On all the new VW's I've owned over the years, I've always gotten 100K+ miles out of the factory brake pads...
Whenever people complain about brakes wearing out too fast, its usually related to to their driving style.
Whenever people complain about brakes wearing out too fast, its usually related to to their driving style.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (ORIbF)
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And Consumer Distorts built a machine that could turn the steering wheel faster than humanly possible, and added weights to the car, to make the Suzuki Samurai flip over. It was a crap car, but it doesn't deserve its reputation.
Hence, the nickname of the car. Suzuki Suicide. Anyone remember the 'Alar' scare from about 20 years ago?
Hence, the nickname of the car. Suzuki Suicide. Anyone remember the 'Alar' scare from about 20 years ago?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (yQWNf)
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The problem is with the size of the brake pedal. For a Japanese car to accommodate large pedals, the damn car would have to be half again larger than it is.
Posted by: sTevo at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (VMcEw)
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Was the Corvair how Ralph Nader made a name for himself?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (A0VTZ)
Posted by: Barbarian at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (EL+OC)
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Jim Geraghty gives AOSHQ a shout on Hugh Hewitt's show
Yeah, but who does that benefit?
Elder Wicket Brigham, Chief Mormon Ewok
Yeah, but who does that benefit?
Elder Wicket Brigham, Chief Mormon Ewok
Posted by: George Orwell at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (xeG08)
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Yeah, but who does that benefit?
Mooshell's fat stupid children?
Mooshell's fat stupid children?
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 08:04 PM (HLFbQ)
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Was the Corvair how Ralph Nader made a name for himself?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM
Why yes it was. Unsafe at any speed. Ruined the Corvair. It actually was a pretty cool little car.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM
Why yes it was. Unsafe at any speed. Ruined the Corvair. It actually was a pretty cool little car.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2011 08:05 PM (yQWNf)
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Whenever people complain about brakes wearing out too fast, its usually related to to their driving style.
But where do you live? Here, you just put the car in gear and then use the brakes. You only need the accelerator for vacations.
But where do you live? Here, you just put the car in gear and then use the brakes. You only need the accelerator for vacations.
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 08:05 PM (HLFbQ)
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Was the Corvair how Ralph Nader made a name for himself?
Yep - Unsafe At Any Speed was what put him on the radar.
Yep - Unsafe At Any Speed was what put him on the radar.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:06 PM (ORIbF)
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Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2011 08:05 PM (yQWNf)
Yeah that's what I thought. I've got a relativewho owns a couple of them. Kind of a collector of sorts.
Yeah that's what I thought. I've got a relativewho owns a couple of them. Kind of a collector of sorts.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:07 PM (A0VTZ)
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Was the Corvair how Ralph Nader made a name for himself?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (A0VTZ)
Yeah, I forgot what was wrong with it though. I think maybe it folded up and killed you if you got in an accident.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (A0VTZ)
Yeah, I forgot what was wrong with it though. I think maybe it folded up and killed you if you got in an accident.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:07 PM (hVDig)
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154 Ford Pintos were the rolling bombs. It was apparently a pretty simple fix with them to mitigate the circumstances. There were some too long bolts that would gash the tank open in a crash. Substitute shorter bolts.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:59 PM (ORIbF)
Nope. Not more lethal than other cars, extremely difficult for those two parts to collide (in the legendary initial collision that started the case the impact killed everyone in the car before the fire started).Also, the smoking gun memo that "won" the case didn't refer to the Pinto, didn't refer to any design changes in the Pinto, and the human value calculation that earned GM the media's wrath was quoted from the government regulators that requested the memo from GM.The famous UCLA tests later used to back up the news narrative also used an incendiary device under the gas tanks.Basically, that guy who said "everything you know is wrong" was a fucking genius and if he got royalties for that we'd all be broke.I can source all that but it would take time and this is a blog comment, not homework. It's all out there. The UCLA thing was from a 1968 report detailing their methods, NBC just never mentioned the incendiaries when they used it.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 07:59 PM (ORIbF)
Nope. Not more lethal than other cars, extremely difficult for those two parts to collide (in the legendary initial collision that started the case the impact killed everyone in the car before the fire started).Also, the smoking gun memo that "won" the case didn't refer to the Pinto, didn't refer to any design changes in the Pinto, and the human value calculation that earned GM the media's wrath was quoted from the government regulators that requested the memo from GM.The famous UCLA tests later used to back up the news narrative also used an incendiary device under the gas tanks.Basically, that guy who said "everything you know is wrong" was a fucking genius and if he got royalties for that we'd all be broke.I can source all that but it would take time and this is a blog comment, not homework. It's all out there. The UCLA thing was from a 1968 report detailing their methods, NBC just never mentioned the incendiaries when they used it.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 08:07 PM (bxiXv)
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You do have to admit that it was the perfect Jackson-Sharpton -style shake down laid on Toyota by the gangster-in-chief.
Posted by: sTevo at February 08, 2011 08:08 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 08:08 PM (ogFrB)
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Excellent site that analyzes the "myth" of the exploding Pinto.
http://tinyurl.com/67y7tmw
Note that I had seen the same kind of data from industry experts back when all this shit was happening.
http://tinyurl.com/67y7tmw
Note that I had seen the same kind of data from industry experts back when all this shit was happening.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 08:09 PM (M9Ie6)
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I recently retired from a 40+ year career of being the friendly fellow who fixed you car right the FIRST time, and have seen an incredible number of dumbshit things people have done. And I've gotta say, the overwhelming cause of said dumbshit failings can be attributed to the idiots driving the cars.
Did make for a certain amount of amusement, though.
I recently retired from a 40+ year career of being the friendly fellow who fixed you car right the FIRST time, and have seen an incredible number of dumbshit things people have done. And I've gotta say, the overwhelming cause of said dumbshit failings can be attributed to the idiots driving the cars.
Did make for a certain amount of amusement, though.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 08, 2011 08:10 PM (ud5dN)
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But where do you live?
Well yea, FL is flat, but I also drive exclusively manual transmissions, shift accordingly, play a lot of mental games anticipating 1/4-1/2 mile ahead so I can just roll through stop lights as they change to green, anticipate idiots in front of me and slide over a lane before they cause me to have to slow down, etc.
Well yea, FL is flat, but I also drive exclusively manual transmissions, shift accordingly, play a lot of mental games anticipating 1/4-1/2 mile ahead so I can just roll through stop lights as they change to green, anticipate idiots in front of me and slide over a lane before they cause me to have to slow down, etc.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:10 PM (ORIbF)
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Yeah, I forgot what was wrong with it though. I think maybe it folded up and killed you if you got in an accident.
What was wrong with it. Chevy didn't sue the worthless bastard into oblivion. Everytime that asshole opened his pie-hole he puked out a lie.
What was wrong with it. Chevy didn't sue the worthless bastard into oblivion. Everytime that asshole opened his pie-hole he puked out a lie.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 08:10 PM (M9Ie6)
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Didn't the Toyota drivers themselves turn this into a PR fiasco? If it was through no fault of Toyota's own, who else was claiming they had issues? (certainly not Ford or Chevy drivers). I think at the end of the day this just makes Toyota drivers look collectivity stupid.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 08, 2011 08:11 PM (9eDbm)
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Whenever people complain about brakes wearing out too fast, its usually related to to their driving style.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (ORIbF)
I don't care half as much how long they last as how well they stop and how little they fade when hot.Doesn't do me a damned bit of good if I have 90% life left on the pads when I get killed by the truck running a red light 'cause it's at the bottom of a hill and my brakes are fading and my stopping distance is doubled.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:03 PM (ORIbF)
I don't care half as much how long they last as how well they stop and how little they fade when hot.Doesn't do me a damned bit of good if I have 90% life left on the pads when I get killed by the truck running a red light 'cause it's at the bottom of a hill and my brakes are fading and my stopping distance is doubled.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 08:11 PM (bxiXv)
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Waterhouse, you're right, that was a typo on my part, sorry.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 08, 2011 08:11 PM (ud5dN)
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Hey,now they are double posting in the sidebar!!
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 08:13 PM (AZBsQ)
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173 Excellent site that analyzes the "myth" of the exploding Pinto.
http://tinyurl.com/67y7tmw
Note that I had seen the same kind of data from industry experts back when all this shit was happening.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 08:09 PM (M9Ie6)
That's a great summary, I realize they didn't source everything because a lot couldn't be linked, was on paper, etc., but I wish someone would because I'm too lazy to.Also note the anecdotes about other tests. I'm fairly sure I'm not confusing the CJ with the Samurai - I wonder if the same people did the tests!?!
http://tinyurl.com/67y7tmw
Note that I had seen the same kind of data from industry experts back when all this shit was happening.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 08:09 PM (M9Ie6)
That's a great summary, I realize they didn't source everything because a lot couldn't be linked, was on paper, etc., but I wish someone would because I'm too lazy to.Also note the anecdotes about other tests. I'm fairly sure I'm not confusing the CJ with the Samurai - I wonder if the same people did the tests!?!
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 08:15 PM (bxiXv)
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Yeah, I forgot what was wrong with it though. I think maybe it folded up and killed you if you got in an accident.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:07 PM (hVDig)
Folded likea cheap accordian, I believe.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:07 PM (hVDig)
Folded likea cheap accordian, I believe.
Posted by: ErikW, just looking for a cool, Che type t-shirt at February 08, 2011 08:15 PM (2I9nc)
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The rotor design is as important as the pad. If the rotor doesn't dissipate heat well, there will be problems like warping...even with a ceramic pad.
As a general statement, I've been underwhelmed by the robustness of the rotors on most Japanese cars I've looked at..even the pricier Lexus/Acura types sport flimsy rotors compared to a comparable sized VW or BMW.
As a general statement, I've been underwhelmed by the robustness of the rotors on most Japanese cars I've looked at..even the pricier Lexus/Acura types sport flimsy rotors compared to a comparable sized VW or BMW.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:16 PM (ORIbF)
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Runaway Toyota's had be caused by Anthropologyglobal warming. So says manbearpig.
Posted by: Buffalobob at February 08, 2011 08:16 PM (GwH6h)
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183 The Germans over engineer??
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 08:17 PM (AZBsQ)
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Elder Wicket Brigham, Chief Mormon Ewok
Huh. Didn't know we had one of those.
Layers.
This place has 'em.
Huh. Didn't know we had one of those.
Layers.
This place has 'em.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2011 08:18 PM (gDbxE)
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#115 - I told him I trust Toyota more than I trust the media.
But how about the unions, government and the media? You don't trust anybody more than those guys, right?
But how about the unions, government and the media? You don't trust anybody more than those guys, right?
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at February 08, 2011 08:18 PM (7YekA)
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I've lost vision, hearing, control of my hands and bladder control, but at least I still have my driver's license!
Posted by: Florida White Haired Driver at February 08, 2011 08:19 PM (DLxD/)
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Well yea, FL is flat, but I also drive exclusively manual transmissions, shift accordingly, play a lot of mental games anticipating 1/4-1/2 mile ahead so I can just roll through stop lights as they change to green, anticipate idiots in front of me and slide over a lane before they cause me to have to slow down, etc.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:10 PM (ORIbF)
I do the same thing (probably more aggressively) when lucky enough to have an M/T, but just so everyone else knows, while trail-braking is bad, brake pads are cheaper than clutches.
Just sayin'.
Also, I don't drive 3mph below the speed limit in traffic or draft people to save a few pennies on gas, in case that's obvious. And I haven't had a car in more than a decade that didn't need premium gas, either.
Well, technically the Turbo Volvo can run on the cheap stuff, but I lose like 10hp from the (automatic) timing changes, depending on air temps.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:10 PM (ORIbF)
I do the same thing (probably more aggressively) when lucky enough to have an M/T, but just so everyone else knows, while trail-braking is bad, brake pads are cheaper than clutches.
Just sayin'.
Also, I don't drive 3mph below the speed limit in traffic or draft people to save a few pennies on gas, in case that's obvious. And I haven't had a car in more than a decade that didn't need premium gas, either.
Well, technically the Turbo Volvo can run on the cheap stuff, but I lose like 10hp from the (automatic) timing changes, depending on air temps.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 08:19 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:20 PM (ORIbF)
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Yeah, I forgot what was wrong with it though. I think maybe it folded up and killed you if you got in an accident.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:07 PM (hVDig)
One problem that Corvairs did have was with their air-cooled engines in the back, the fan belt had a large number of right angle turns to make and they were always wearing out and getting thrown or broken quickly. That had nothing to do with whatever scam ass-breath Nader was making his swag on.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:07 PM (hVDig)
One problem that Corvairs did have was with their air-cooled engines in the back, the fan belt had a large number of right angle turns to make and they were always wearing out and getting thrown or broken quickly. That had nothing to do with whatever scam ass-breath Nader was making his swag on.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 08, 2011 08:21 PM (eh+ki)
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One other thing to keep in mind about the BS book was that only one chapter was dedicated to the Corvair and that was only for the earlier model units.
The rest of the book was for ALL cars that were built at that time.
Another thing to keep in mind was that back in the late 50s Ford had tried to build and sell a car based on increased safety with all kinds of safety features and options.
It was a massive disaster. The car was the Edsel which became a running joke for decades.
The rest of the book was for ALL cars that were built at that time.
Another thing to keep in mind was that back in the late 50s Ford had tried to build and sell a car based on increased safety with all kinds of safety features and options.
It was a massive disaster. The car was the Edsel which became a running joke for decades.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 08:21 PM (M9Ie6)
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As a general statement, I've been underwhelmed by the robustness of the rotors on most Japanese cars I've looked at..even the pricier Lexus/Acura types sport flimsy rotors compared to a comparable sized VW or BMW.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:16 PM (ORIbF)
The good news is, Brembos are cheap. May not be the best, but better than most factory rotors.Or blow $4k on a set of Wilwoods.
(TUV testing includes braking from higher speeds, so they have to spec things up a bit for the Euro market, and unlike engines that doesn't get dumbed down for the American market.)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:16 PM (ORIbF)
The good news is, Brembos are cheap. May not be the best, but better than most factory rotors.Or blow $4k on a set of Wilwoods.
(TUV testing includes braking from higher speeds, so they have to spec things up a bit for the Euro market, and unlike engines that doesn't get dumbed down for the American market.)Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 08:21 PM (bxiXv)
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PA, not only the rotor design, but even the wheel itself has to assist in heat removal--something I wasn't aware of at first. This is why we'd discourage the practice of installing rotor shields to prevent brake dust collecting on people's designer wheels. Can't trap that heat in there.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 08, 2011 08:24 PM (ud5dN)
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This is why we'd discourage the practice of installing rotor shields to
prevent brake dust collecting on people's designer wheels.
LOL, can't have those fancy rotating spinner wheels messed up though. Brother gotta have sum fancy $2000 wheels.
Yes, I denounce myself.
prevent brake dust collecting on people's designer wheels.
LOL, can't have those fancy rotating spinner wheels messed up though. Brother gotta have sum fancy $2000 wheels.
Yes, I denounce myself.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 08:25 PM (M9Ie6)
196
jeeps had crappy rotors too. The one I had before this one I had to replace at 15k. Somebody I forget who made a heavy duty racing rotor for it and I put those on and never had a problem again. They fixed it on the new ones and have a complete new brake system.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:26 PM (hVDig)
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From all the evidence that I have seen in my long and sorry lifetime, the worse thing about American cars has always been the combination of politicians and lawyers.
Occasionally the idiot behind the wheel is a problem, but not nearly as much as the other two.
Occasionally the idiot behind the wheel is a problem, but not nearly as much as the other two.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 08:27 PM (M9Ie6)
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194 PA, not only the rotor design, but even the wheel itself has to assist in heat removal--something I wasn't aware of at first. This is why we'd discourage the practice of installing rotor shields to prevent brake dust collecting on people's designer wheels. Can't trap that heat in there.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 08, 2011 08:24 PM (ud5dN)
My designer wheels are designed for improved airflow - and lighter weight.Brake dust is ugly but brake fade is uglier.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 08, 2011 08:24 PM (ud5dN)
My designer wheels are designed for improved airflow - and lighter weight.Brake dust is ugly but brake fade is uglier.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 08:28 PM (bxiXv)
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Ya'll keep it up tonight. Time for me to cash it in until tommorow morning.
Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2011 08:30 PM (M9Ie6)
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A lot of race cars specifically duct air onto the rotors to help cool them. A shield is a pretty dumb idea unless its an integral part of a cooling duct system
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:31 PM (ORIbF)
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I will gladly drive my Toyota Tacoma pickup over driving any Government Motors graftmobile any time.
Posted by: Alaska Paul at February 08, 2011 08:33 PM (rMkgW)
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Renewing the Patriot act failed in the house. I actually think I'm ok with that.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:33 PM (hVDig)
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Think I'll cash out too, and put the heater box in my brand new 68 Plymouth.
Take care, good people.
Take care, good people.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 08, 2011 08:34 PM (ud5dN)
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I will gladly drive my Toyota Tacoma pickup over driving any Government Motors graftmobile any time.
Posted by: Alaska Paul at February 08, 2011 08:33 PM (rMkgW)
You've obviously never been to Tacoma then.
Posted by: Alaska Paul at February 08, 2011 08:33 PM (rMkgW)
You've obviously never been to Tacoma then.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:34 PM (hVDig)
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the worse thing about American cars has always been the combination of politicians and lawyers.
My complaint about them has always been their shit handling characteristics due to lackluster suspension designs biased towards "comfort".
I *want* to feel the car and the road. When you can feel the car and the road, they talk to you if you're willing to listen to what they're trying to tell you.
My complaint about them has always been their shit handling characteristics due to lackluster suspension designs biased towards "comfort".
I *want* to feel the car and the road. When you can feel the car and the road, they talk to you if you're willing to listen to what they're trying to tell you.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:34 PM (ORIbF)
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You've obviously never been to Tacoma then.
Do you think Toyota engineered in the Tacoma aroma"?
Do you think Toyota engineered in the Tacoma aroma"?
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 08, 2011 08:35 PM (RZ8pf)
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Heh, just the chance of it would make me pass on buying a truck named after it.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:36 PM (hVDig)
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Do you think Toyota engineered in the Tacoma aroma"?
Ummm...that's probably a petrified tuna sandwich some worker left in a door panel.
Ummm...that's probably a petrified tuna sandwich some worker left in a door panel.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:37 PM (ORIbF)
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A lot of race cars specifically duct air onto the rotors to help cool them. A shield is a pretty dumb idea unless its an integral part of a cooling duct system
1966 Shelby GT 350 (R)
1966 Shelby GT 350 (R)
Posted by: For Example at February 08, 2011 08:38 PM (+Zqli)
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would make me pass on buying a truck named after it.
Tundra - why would I buy a vehicle named after a frozen wasteland? FAIL
Tundra - why would I buy a vehicle named after a frozen wasteland? FAIL
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:40 PM (ORIbF)
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The best part of the linked NY Times article is that flatland flatliner Ray LaHood making it sound like that he knew the cars were OK all the time and it was Congress that made the big deal about it. LaHood was in the front of the lynch mob running his piehole at max volume. I really detest that guy.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 08, 2011 08:42 PM (2PTT7)
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Lis Weiel is a blithering idiot.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:43 PM (A0VTZ)
Posted by: beanervt at February 08, 2011 08:44 PM (TFqg4)
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Jeebus, LaHood was the fucking idiot that said before congress that everyone should quit driving their Toyota's immediately and take them back to the dealer.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 08:46 PM (hVDig)
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Well now Toyota can run an overly-long, pretentious ad talking about being through "hell and back." Except they'll have to pay for it themselves.
Posted by: brak at February 08, 2011 08:47 PM (nIoiW)
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Tundra - why would I buy a vehicle named after a frozen wasteland? FAIL
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:40 PM
I only need a smaller truck with less load capacity...was looking at the Half-Tundra.
Of course the reason all those Toyotas messed up was that the owners didn't equip them with Factor Gear!
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:40 PM
I only need a smaller truck with less load capacity...was looking at the Half-Tundra.
Of course the reason all those Toyotas messed up was that the owners didn't equip them with Factor Gear!
Posted by: MrScribbler© at February 08, 2011 08:48 PM (Ulu3i)
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211 Yeah,and like that useless douche Gates,he provides cover by being a Republican.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 08:49 PM (AZBsQ)
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WTF Teh Fred's gonna run again? (Or maybe better phrase is going to run the first time?)
I was a Fred man until he had "failure to launch" or whatever. Not sure I want to see him go back in it.
I was a Fred man until he had "failure to launch" or whatever. Not sure I want to see him go back in it.
Posted by: blaster at February 08, 2011 08:49 PM (aU7Ox)
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It's just like you knuckleheads to defend a big conglomerate that caused nuns to be run over. Knuckleheads! We could have fined Toyota enough money to balance the budget AND build a high-speed rail line from Boulder to Cripple Creek so I can ride the little choo-choo without having to drive because I don't have my driver's license which I misplaced due to certainly not a conviction for DUI in Mom's minivan after too much Jagermeister that's a neocon lie BUT NO! Knuckleheads.
Posted by: Erg-a-nomics at February 08, 2011 08:50 PM (2PTT7)
220
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So I usually buy moncler jacken , moncler doudoune in moncler online!
Sometimes I go to moncler shop,just for moncler jacket and moncler outlet!
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Sometimes I go to moncler shop,just for moncler jacket and moncler outlet!
Posted by: Denise at February 08, 2011 08:51 PM (YK84Z)
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Will LaHood face any disciplinary action for reckless hyping of a problem that didn't exist in the first place?
Yeah, I didn't think so either. Yet another thing to put under the "What if a Bush Administration official had done this?" column.
Yeah, I didn't think so either. Yet another thing to put under the "What if a Bush Administration official had done this?" column.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 08, 2011 08:51 PM (c0A3e)
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I *want* to feel the car and the road. When you can
feel the car and the road, they talk to you if you're willing to listen
to what they're trying to tell you.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:34 PM
Very easy when you hear the screams of the hobo dragging around your undercarriage
feel the car and the road, they talk to you if you're willing to listen
to what they're trying to tell you.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:34 PM
Very easy when you hear the screams of the hobo dragging around your undercarriage
Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2011 08:51 PM (vdfwz)
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And this isn't straight up fascist how?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 08, 2011 08:52 PM (A/oSU)
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WTF Teh Fred's gonna run again?
Where did you hear that?
Don't think that would go well. The man hates campaigning and he's even older. And he's got that bitchin reverse mortgage gig.
Where did you hear that?
Don't think that would go well. The man hates campaigning and he's even older. And he's got that bitchin reverse mortgage gig.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:52 PM (A0VTZ)
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The greedy Gub'ment competing for market share.
Lie, cheat, steal, etc...
I never thought I would see that.
Lie, cheat, steal, etc...
I never thought I would see that.
Posted by: SomewhereSouthWest at February 08, 2011 08:54 PM (CyPWX)
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Brake dust is ugly but brake fade is uglier.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 08:28 PM
Ugly brake dust can be removed by either spending the money to run your car through the car wash, or a hose, bucket, and sponge
But if I spend my money washing the car, how can I make the payments on the rubber band tires, tinted windows, and 3,000 stereo system I put into a 20 year old Honda?
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 08:28 PM
Ugly brake dust can be removed by either spending the money to run your car through the car wash, or a hose, bucket, and sponge
But if I spend my money washing the car, how can I make the payments on the rubber band tires, tinted windows, and 3,000 stereo system I put into a 20 year old Honda?
Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2011 08:56 PM (vdfwz)
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224 Where did you hear that?
Here:
http://tinyurl.com/4bu7vlw
I am on Chrome so I don't get linky stuff.
Here:
http://tinyurl.com/4bu7vlw
I am on Chrome so I don't get linky stuff.
Posted by: blaster at February 08, 2011 08:57 PM (aU7Ox)
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Posted by: blaster at February 08, 2011 08:57 PM (aU7Ox)
That linky is a bit dated.
That linky is a bit dated.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 08, 2011 08:58 PM (A0VTZ)
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I just read in the sidebar that Jaclyn Smith and Cheryl Ladd killed a guy at a California Cock Fight.I saw a recent pic of Cheryl Tiegs, and she still looks fantastic too.Compare and contrast, with, say Carrie Fisher. Yeeeesh.
Well, considering that Fisher did almost as much Peruvian Marching Powder as Keith Richards.......
Well, considering that Fisher did almost as much Peruvian Marching Powder as Keith Richards.......
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 08, 2011 08:58 PM (9Lm5R)
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Supposedly the steering column of the Corvair would impale you in a head on crash. The auto industry went crazy over collapsible columns after that. At the time, however, the column on the Corvair was no more dangerous than those on any other car.
The only real problem it had was the front suspension. Rather than having upper and lower A frames or some other parallelogram suspension system the axle pivoted on one point. It's not the best system but like other morons have said, if you drive sanely and properly inflate your tires it wouldn't cause a loss of control.
The only real problem it had was the front suspension. Rather than having upper and lower A frames or some other parallelogram suspension system the axle pivoted on one point. It's not the best system but like other morons have said, if you drive sanely and properly inflate your tires it wouldn't cause a loss of control.
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 08, 2011 08:58 PM (7+pP9)
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Gabe makes a great post, and people think that Ace wrote it?
Hey Gabe........welcome to the party, pal.
Hey Gabe........welcome to the party, pal.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at February 08, 2011 09:01 PM (/MEFr)
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OT but, Bill O'Reilly, this word, "patriot", I don't think it means what you think it means.
Posted by: Whatever at February 08, 2011 09:01 PM (piMMO)
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230 Let's face it,it is incredibly easy to panic/fool the general public.If they see it on yv they are 90% of the way towards full belief.Poison apples,bad vaccines,exploding cars,dangerous nuclear reactors etc etc.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:02 PM (AZBsQ)
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O/T but I have to shoot myself now, I agree with something Joe Scarborough said.
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 08, 2011 09:03 PM (RZ8pf)
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What I'm wondering is how many recalls of Government Motors products were not considered "newsworthy" by the MBM
Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2011 09:04 PM (vdfwz)
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Final numbers from the Patriot Act vote mentioned earlier
Final: 277-148
Yes: 210 Republicans, 67 Democrats
No: 26 Republicans, 122 Democrats
Final: 277-148
Yes: 210 Republicans, 67 Democrats
No: 26 Republicans, 122 Democrats
Posted by: Somebody at February 08, 2011 09:04 PM (sZ+lP)
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.Poison apples
I don't know, I've made it a general policy after seeing it on the teevee to avoid accepting apples from ugly old hags. It's served me well so far.
I don't know, I've made it a general policy after seeing it on the teevee to avoid accepting apples from ugly old hags. It's served me well so far.
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 08, 2011 09:05 PM (RZ8pf)
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To which Toyota's corporate HQ is like, "Ne? Orokana amerika-jin! Bakayaro!" Then they all go get drunk at a karaoke bar and tie their ties around their foreheads ala Rambo. Cuz that's how they roll.
Posted by: MWR at February 08, 2011 09:05 PM (CA2NO)
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233
230 Let's face it,it is incredibly easy to panic/fool the general
public.If they see it on yv they are 90% of the way towards full
belief.Poison apples,bad vaccines,exploding cars,dangerous nuclear
reactors etc etc.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:02 PM
Omigod! I ain't never eatin' another hamburger!
230 Let's face it,it is incredibly easy to panic/fool the general
public.If they see it on yv they are 90% of the way towards full
belief.Poison apples,bad vaccines,exploding cars,dangerous nuclear
reactors etc etc.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:02 PM
Omigod! I ain't never eatin' another hamburger!
Posted by: Orca Winfrey at February 08, 2011 09:06 PM (vdfwz)
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Nice car company you've got there, Kiichiro--shame if anything happened to it....
Posted by: MM at February 08, 2011 09:06 PM (nbAPU)
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Huh. Looks like NRO is broken, they have old posts up and weird dates.
Posted by: blaster at February 08, 2011 09:06 PM (aU7Ox)
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Who was it,crying in front of congress about the poison pesticide apples?Glenn Close?
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:07 PM (AZBsQ)
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Holy shit well what do ya know?If you deportillegal alien criminals the crime rate goes down and you save money. Who'd a thunk? http://tinyurl.com/4unbah9
Posted by: Krazy Kat at February 08, 2011 09:08 PM (oNphh)
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241 Yeah,I've seen that before.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:08 PM (AZBsQ)
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I don't know, I've made it a general policy after seeing it on the
teevee to avoid accepting apples from ugly old hags. It's served me well
so far.
If you don't take the poison apple, your prince will never come!
teevee to avoid accepting apples from ugly old hags. It's served me well
so far.
If you don't take the poison apple, your prince will never come!
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at February 08, 2011 09:09 PM (YxBuk)
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In any event, this will never be a problem with high speed rail. Those engineers know the difference beteen the throttle and the brakes.
Of course, when they're texting or sexting, not so much.
Of course, when they're texting or sexting, not so much.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 08, 2011 09:09 PM (DCpHZ)
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If you don't take the poison apple, your prince will never come!
Oh drat it, is that what I'm dong wrong?
Oh drat it, is that what I'm dong wrong?
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 08, 2011 09:09 PM (RZ8pf)
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243 Yeah,and for some reason a large prison population also reduces crime.Weird.
Posted by: NY Times at February 08, 2011 09:10 PM (AZBsQ)
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O/T but I have to shoot myself now, I agree with something Joe Scarborough said.
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 08, 2011 09:03 PM (RZ8pf)
We're even, I agreed with Bill Gates the other day. He said the scientist and those in the press and entertainment industy that promoted the tie to vacines and autism were responsible for the deaths of thousands of children.
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 08, 2011 09:03 PM (RZ8pf)
We're even, I agreed with Bill Gates the other day. He said the scientist and those in the press and entertainment industy that promoted the tie to vacines and autism were responsible for the deaths of thousands of children.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 09:11 PM (hVDig)
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248
243 Yeah,and for some reason a large prison population also reduces crime.Weird.
Posted by: NY Times at February 08, 2011 09:10 PM (AZBsQ)
CC seems to help a lot as well--obviously cause and effect doesn't work with crime stats.
243 Yeah,and for some reason a large prison population also reduces crime.Weird.
Posted by: NY Times at February 08, 2011 09:10 PM (AZBsQ)
CC seems to help a lot as well--obviously cause and effect doesn't work with crime stats.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 08, 2011 09:11 PM (DCpHZ)
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom at February 08, 2011 09:12 PM (YxBuk)
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249
O/T but I have to shoot myself now, I agree with something Joe Scarborough said.
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 08, 2011 09:03 PM (RZ8pf)
We're even, I agreed with Bill Gates the other day. He
said the scientist and those in the press and entertainment industy
that promoted the tie to vacines and autism were responsible for the
deaths of thousands of children.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 09:11 PM (hVDig)
As the adage goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day.(...provided it's not running on military time, I assume)
O/T but I have to shoot myself now, I agree with something Joe Scarborough said.
Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 08, 2011 09:03 PM (RZ8pf)
We're even, I agreed with Bill Gates the other day. He
said the scientist and those in the press and entertainment industy
that promoted the tie to vacines and autism were responsible for the
deaths of thousands of children.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 09:11 PM (hVDig)
As the adage goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day.(...provided it's not running on military time, I assume)
Posted by: MWR at February 08, 2011 09:13 PM (CA2NO)
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242
Who was it,crying in front of congress about the poison pesticide apples?Glenn Close?
Could be. I remember the Alar scare, where Fenton Communications and some Hollyweird gits got a safe and cheap apple preservative off the market because some idiot researcher hyped a cancer finding (you'd have to drink about 15,000 quarts of apple juice made from alar-treated apples to see an increased cancer risk).
Who was it,crying in front of congress about the poison pesticide apples?Glenn Close?
Could be. I remember the Alar scare, where Fenton Communications and some Hollyweird gits got a safe and cheap apple preservative off the market because some idiot researcher hyped a cancer finding (you'd have to drink about 15,000 quarts of apple juice made from alar-treated apples to see an increased cancer risk).
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 08, 2011 09:14 PM (c0A3e)
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My complaint about them has always been their shit
handling characteristics due to lackluster suspension designs biased
towards "comfort".Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:34 PM
More likely built towards "cheap". Since American roads are on the average flatter and straighter than European roads, they used leaf springs and live axles up until the 80s, and still have live axles in some rear drive models even today. It was simply cheaper to do so, and using softer shocks and lighter springs was a cheap way to give a floaty soft ride.
handling characteristics due to lackluster suspension designs biased
towards "comfort".Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 08, 2011 08:34 PM
More likely built towards "cheap". Since American roads are on the average flatter and straighter than European roads, they used leaf springs and live axles up until the 80s, and still have live axles in some rear drive models even today. It was simply cheaper to do so, and using softer shocks and lighter springs was a cheap way to give a floaty soft ride.
Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM (vdfwz)
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Who was it,crying in front of congress about the poison pesticide apples?Glenn Close?
No. Meryl Streep.
Alar! Alar!
For the children!
No. Meryl Streep.
Alar! Alar!
For the children!
Posted by: Whatever at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM (piMMO)
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242
Who was it,crying in front of congress about the poison pesticide apples?Glenn Close?
Meryl Streep? Alar.
Who was it,crying in front of congress about the poison pesticide apples?Glenn Close?
Meryl Streep? Alar.
Posted by: Derak at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM (CjpKH)
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Who was it,crying in front of congress about the poison pesticide apples?Glenn Close?
Meryl Streep
Meryl Streep
Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM (vdfwz)
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Back in high school I worked at a car auction so I got to drive a LOT of cars. Drove an early Corvair with a manual and was on an offramp, and pushed in the clutch to downshift. As soon as the clutch went down, the tail of the car went sideways - I let the clutch back out and it snapped back in line. I have driven HUNDREDS of different models of cars. Nothing else ever handled like that. That swingaxle thing was real.
Posted by: blaster at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM (aU7Ox)
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I see the MBM is having fun laughing at the Patriot Act extension failure, though it does indeed appear the leadership thought the votes were there. They're going to hold another simple majority vote later. But apparently many freshmen weren't told ahead of time and Rep. McCarthy is in some trouble:
It was a specifically rough patch for Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy
(R-Calif.), who was the subject of much finger-pointing after the vote,
as he is charged with vote-counting. Erica Elliott, spokesman for
McCarthy, noted that most House Democrats voted against the bill,
“deny[ing] their own administration’s request for key weapons in the war
on terror.”
Other Republicans blamed Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith
(R-Texas) and Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.) for the debacle.
Sensenbrenner is a senior Judiciary Committee Republican.
It was a specifically rough patch for Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy
(R-Calif.), who was the subject of much finger-pointing after the vote,
as he is charged with vote-counting. Erica Elliott, spokesman for
McCarthy, noted that most House Democrats voted against the bill,
“deny[ing] their own administration’s request for key weapons in the war
on terror.”
Other Republicans blamed Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith
(R-Texas) and Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.) for the debacle.
Sensenbrenner is a senior Judiciary Committee Republican.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 08, 2011 09:17 PM (sZ+lP)
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Posted by: Whatever at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM (piMMO)
Don't you just love it when actresses go in front of Congress and spout left-tard think tank factoids about farming and chemistry?
All they can do is read off a script.
Posted by: Whatever at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM (piMMO)
Don't you just love it when actresses go in front of Congress and spout left-tard think tank factoids about farming and chemistry?
All they can do is read off a script.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 08, 2011 09:18 PM (c0A3e)
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255 256 257 Thanks.I always confuse those 2 for some reason.
Posted by: NY Times at February 08, 2011 09:19 PM (AZBsQ)
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261 Nooo!Foul sockpuppet!
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:19 PM (AZBsQ)
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Before "the one" was born, guys at Bell Labs invited this, which is why you read this message.
http://tinyurl.com/eazkn
http://tinyurl.com/eazkn
Posted by: Kemp at February 08, 2011 09:20 PM (JpFM9)
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259 Well,there are a lot of newbies in congress.....
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:20 PM (AZBsQ)
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258
Back in high school I worked at a car auction so I got to drive a LOT of
cars. Drove an early Corvair with a manual and was on an offramp, and
pushed in the clutch to downshift. As soon as the clutch went down, the
tail of the car went sideways - I let the clutch back out and it
snapped back in line. I have driven HUNDREDS of different models of
cars. Nothing else ever handled like that. That swingaxle thing was
real.
Posted by: blaster at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM
The second generation Corvairs went with the same IRS you'd find in a Corvette. Fantastic handling cars and fun to drive on those twisting roads.
Back in high school I worked at a car auction so I got to drive a LOT of
cars. Drove an early Corvair with a manual and was on an offramp, and
pushed in the clutch to downshift. As soon as the clutch went down, the
tail of the car went sideways - I let the clutch back out and it
snapped back in line. I have driven HUNDREDS of different models of
cars. Nothing else ever handled like that. That swingaxle thing was
real.
Posted by: blaster at February 08, 2011 09:15 PM
The second generation Corvairs went with the same IRS you'd find in a Corvette. Fantastic handling cars and fun to drive on those twisting roads.
Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2011 09:21 PM (vdfwz)
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Damnit! I went to Bing to try and find the awards rant where Streep went off about poisoning the children and couldn't find it. So, I said, WTF and flipped over to Google in a very rare misstep. Guess what? It's Jules Vernes 183rd birthday!
This, they commemorate. Memorial Day, not so much.
I HATE those son of a bitches!
This, they commemorate. Memorial Day, not so much.
I HATE those son of a bitches!
Posted by: Whatever at February 08, 2011 09:21 PM (piMMO)
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The Alar scare killed the apple sales (at least where I am) for quite some time as well. My company had 3 truck loads headed east bound when the Alar scare hit. We ended up destroying three trailer loads of apples. They weren't even good for pig food. No one would take them.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2011 09:23 PM (yQWNf)
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More on the Patriot Act extension failure:
And a handful of the no-votes were freshmen who felt completely
uninformed by their leadership. Rep. Todd Rokita (R-Ind.), who voted for
the bill, said he “didn’t know anything about (the vote) until today.”
[...] Hoyer added, “I think they’re clearly going to have difficulty. When you
have their response to the State of the Union, and Paul Ryan being
their choice and then Michele Bachmann also gives one, they’re clearly
differences within their conference and they’re going to have to work it
out.”
Other Democrats were giddy Tuesday night at the defeat. They knocked
Republicans for not putting the bill through committee – something they
all but promised they’d do during the midterm campaign season. And
Hoyer’s office called it “another rough day for the new majority.”
Another Democratic aide put it more simply: “Governing 101: make sure
you have the votes. Governing 102: make sure you understand your own
members.”
And a handful of the no-votes were freshmen who felt completely
uninformed by their leadership. Rep. Todd Rokita (R-Ind.), who voted for
the bill, said he “didn’t know anything about (the vote) until today.”
[...] Hoyer added, “I think they’re clearly going to have difficulty. When you
have their response to the State of the Union, and Paul Ryan being
their choice and then Michele Bachmann also gives one, they’re clearly
differences within their conference and they’re going to have to work it
out.”
Other Democrats were giddy Tuesday night at the defeat. They knocked
Republicans for not putting the bill through committee – something they
all but promised they’d do during the midterm campaign season. And
Hoyer’s office called it “another rough day for the new majority.”
Another Democratic aide put it more simply: “Governing 101: make sure
you have the votes. Governing 102: make sure you understand your own
members.”
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 08, 2011 09:23 PM (sZ+lP)
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Damnit! I went to Bing to try and find the awards rant where Streep
went off about poisoning the children and couldn't find it. So, I said,
WTF and flipped over to Google in a very rare misstep. Guess what? It's
Jules Vernes 183rd birthday!
This, they commemorate. Memorial Day, not so much.
But Google knows your birthday, what porn sites you subscribed to with the $50 Visa Gift Card your wife bought you on Amazon while searching for her old boyfriend on Facebook, and put a cookie on your computer that would attach to an email your sent to your boss from home saying you were sick, while buying tickets to Disneyland online.
Don't Be Evil and You Won't Have Anything to Hide from Your Overlords
went off about poisoning the children and couldn't find it. So, I said,
WTF and flipped over to Google in a very rare misstep. Guess what? It's
Jules Vernes 183rd birthday!
This, they commemorate. Memorial Day, not so much.
But Google knows your birthday, what porn sites you subscribed to with the $50 Visa Gift Card your wife bought you on Amazon while searching for her old boyfriend on Facebook, and put a cookie on your computer that would attach to an email your sent to your boss from home saying you were sick, while buying tickets to Disneyland online.
Don't Be Evil and You Won't Have Anything to Hide from Your Overlords
Posted by: Eric Schmidt at February 08, 2011 09:26 PM (vdfwz)
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Another Democratic aide put it more simply: “Governing 101: make sure
you have the votes. Governing 102: make sure you understand bribe and/or threaten your own
members.”
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 08, 2011 09:23 PM
FIFT
Another Democratic aide put it more simply: “Governing 101: make sure
you have the votes. Governing 102: make sure you understand bribe and/or threaten your own
members.”
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 08, 2011 09:23 PM
FIFT
Posted by: Eric Schmidt at February 08, 2011 09:28 PM (vdfwz)
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Another Democratic aide put it more simply: “Governing 101: make sure you have the votes. Governing 102: make sure you understand your own members.”
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 08, 2011 09:23 PM (sZ+lP)
Did the GOP truly do the exploding cigar trick on itself?
Classic.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 08, 2011 09:23 PM (sZ+lP)
Did the GOP truly do the exploding cigar trick on itself?
Classic.
Posted by: eman at February 08, 2011 09:29 PM (gZVTR)
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Good thing no one told Nader about the early 911 Turbos. Apparently lots of dentists wrapped those things around roadside maples as they discovered the phenomenon of lift-throttle oversteer.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 09:29 PM (ogFrB)
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Let the Dems laugh,it's all they have.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:30 PM (AZBsQ)
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272 Also a goalie from the Philadelphia Flyers named Pelle Lindbergh.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:31 PM (AZBsQ)
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Why does it have to get renewed in the first place?
Posted by: eman at February 08, 2011 09:31 PM (gZVTR)
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They attempted to fast-track the vote and were completely surprised it failed because they didn't double-check the # of votes they had. When you have freshmen voting against a bill because they feel the leadership failed to inform them, that's bad.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 08, 2011 09:32 PM (sZ+lP)
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272 Ranger fans used to chant(hell,some probably still do),"Drive a Porsche Pelle,Drive a Porsche!".
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:32 PM (AZBsQ)
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Also a goalie from the Philadelphia Flyers named Pelle Lindbergh.
Well, there was also the booze in that situation.
Well, there was also the booze in that situation.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 09:32 PM (ogFrB)
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278 There often is.How many runaway Toyotas were driven by drunks(or old people)?
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:35 PM (AZBsQ)
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276
They attempted to fast-track the vote and were completely surprised it
failed because they didn't double-check the # of votes they had. When
you have freshmen voting against a bill because they feel the leadership
failed to inform them, that's bad.
Channeling that Oscar-worthy movie Under Siege 2 - Assumption is the mother of all slip-ups.
They attempted to fast-track the vote and were completely surprised it
failed because they didn't double-check the # of votes they had. When
you have freshmen voting against a bill because they feel the leadership
failed to inform them, that's bad.
Channeling that Oscar-worthy movie Under Siege 2 - Assumption is the mother of all slip-ups.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 08, 2011 09:35 PM (c0A3e)
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273
Let the Dems laugh,it's all they have.
Well, they too got caught for using the same procedure last year without getting enough votes. This was much closer, since they only lost by 7 votes, but (politically speaking) it was an unforced error. Now the Dems are talking-up the divide in the GOP when a majority of Tea Party members voted for the extension.
Let the Dems laugh,it's all they have.
Well, they too got caught for using the same procedure last year without getting enough votes. This was much closer, since they only lost by 7 votes, but (politically speaking) it was an unforced error. Now the Dems are talking-up the divide in the GOP when a majority of Tea Party members voted for the extension.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 08, 2011 09:37 PM (sZ+lP)
282
I am still freightened by the Jason Voorhees goalie masks. I am so glad that they have changed.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2011 09:39 PM (yQWNf)
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282 Goalies used to feel pain,one big reason why scoring was much higher.They are now invulnerable Michelin men.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:42 PM (AZBsQ)
284
Yup. Getting hit in one of those Jason Voorhees masks I am sure hurt like hell. Probably better than if you didn't havea mask though. Like Gump Worsley. I believe he was one of the last net minders to go without a mask.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2011 09:44 PM (yQWNf)
285
YAHTZEE!
Posted by: Samuel Adams, drunk since 1930 hrs CST. at February 08, 2011 09:50 PM (Jx0x6)
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284 Yeah,there was one guy who played without into the early 70's.I think it protected them from getting cut by the puck,but obviously didn't help much with impact.Bobby Hull would purposely drill high shots early in a game to get the goalies to duck,than he'd score top shelf later.Before the advent of curved sticks it was hard to lift the puck.
Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2011 09:53 PM (AZBsQ)
Posted by: Bruno Richard Hauptmann at February 08, 2011 09:55 PM (Jx0x6)
288
Pull my finger.
Posted by: Guy What Says 'Pull My Finger' When There are Long, Akward Silences at February 08, 2011 09:58 PM (yQWNf)
289
272 Good thing no one told Nader about the early 911 Turbos. Apparently lots of dentists wrapped those things around roadside maples as they discovered the phenomenon of lift-throttle oversteer.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 09:29 PM (ogFrB)
Apparently "don't do that" doesn't wok training people to drive.Several 3rd-gen RX-7s killed drivers and dealership employees during test drives.Rumor has it many of the last words went something like "boy, this thing isn't as fast as I thou..." followed by a mad 2-second ride across four lanes of traffic, through a school bus and into a tree.Turbo lag is also counter-intuitive. People just push the gas pedal harder and then BANG they die.In that case, also, don't do that and you'll be fine. Hell of a car in skilled hands.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 09:29 PM (ogFrB)
Apparently "don't do that" doesn't wok training people to drive.Several 3rd-gen RX-7s killed drivers and dealership employees during test drives.Rumor has it many of the last words went something like "boy, this thing isn't as fast as I thou..." followed by a mad 2-second ride across four lanes of traffic, through a school bus and into a tree.Turbo lag is also counter-intuitive. People just push the gas pedal harder and then BANG they die.In that case, also, don't do that and you'll be fine. Hell of a car in skilled hands.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 08, 2011 09:59 PM (bxiXv)
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Good thing no one told Nader about the early 911 Turbos. Apparently lots of dentists wrapped those things around roadside maples as they discovered the phenomenon of lift-throttle oversteer.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 09:29 PM (ogFrB)
Yeah I used to have a 911 SC and if you thought you were in a corner too fast, give it some gas.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2011 09:29 PM (ogFrB)
Yeah I used to have a 911 SC and if you thought you were in a corner too fast, give it some gas.
Posted by: robtr nickless liberation front at February 08, 2011 10:00 PM (hVDig)
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288 Guy What Says 'Pull My Finger' When There are Long, Akward Silences
Honey, what are you doing on AofS. I thought you were at the civic asso meeting?
Honey, what are you doing on AofS. I thought you were at the civic asso meeting?
Posted by: dagny wants logprof free at February 08, 2011 10:00 PM (HLFbQ)
292
Wasn't Laurence Tribe the lead counsel for the Algores after the 2000 elections?
Didn't he work in the White House last year?
I guess that's about as impartial as a Democrat could get. And civil, too. Who could forget civil?
Didn't he work in the White House last year?
I guess that's about as impartial as a Democrat could get. And civil, too. Who could forget civil?
Posted by: Ex-Republican genius at February 08, 2011 10:02 PM (le5qc)
293
Man I think Apollo Creed might win again.
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 08, 2011 10:18 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: pko Strany at February 08, 2011 10:44 PM (RJOgX)
295
Yeah, file this under "how can we crush a competitor of Government Motors."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2011 11:38 PM (61b7k)
296
A year ago, David Gilbert, who teaches automotive technology at Southern
Illinois University, told Henry Waxman that he found a problem with the
electronics in 3 hours. Now the NHTSA says no.
We now need Congressional hearings into the Congressional hearings.
Illinois University, told Henry Waxman that he found a problem with the
electronics in 3 hours. Now the NHTSA says no.
We now need Congressional hearings into the Congressional hearings.
Posted by: Lee Iacocca at February 08, 2011 11:56 PM (tvs2p)
297
This was deliberate on the part of Obama. He was angry that his Cash for Clunkers aided Toyota more than GM so he took steps using the power of his office to tank them. He really is a vindictive little weasel.
Posted by: BarbaraS at February 09, 2011 12:32 AM (GwJMa)
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