Trig Trutherism, Again

No, I'm not double-posting accidentally -- I know Slublog covered this below.

A couple of points I'd make:

First, a lot of these guys say "leave this alone, no good can come of it" before going into a "but if it's true..." scenario, and it's usually the "if it's true..." scenario that has the most attention lavished on it.

Second: Is the MFM going to cover this? They certainly squealed a lot when some right wingers (almost none in the commentariat) gave credence to the birth certificate conspiracy theory.

But here is the creme de la creme of young liberal thought-leaders (well, maybe not creme de la creme, but chosen by Ezra Klein of the Washington Post as being important seriously discussing the ramifications if the wackiest conspiracy theory since 9/11 Trutherism (and maybe wackier than that) is true or not.

I like Slublog's point: Maybe Andrew Sullivan continues to push this despite putative damage to his reputation among the liberal chattering class because in fact there is no damage to his reputation among the liberal chattering class about it; they're all around 50% on board with it, and repeatedly say "However, if some reporter thinks this rumor is worth investigating further, and he or she absolutely nails this story, that would be great."

I submit that based on these emails, the liberal chattering class does sort of believe this, or at least isn't terribly interested in dissuading others from investigating -- after all, if someone should happen to "nail this story," then "that would be great."

So is this why the MFM refuses to note that the left is taken with bizarre conspiracy theories of their own? Because to the MFM as a whole the conspiracy theory seems like it's sort of maybe true?

As Bob Shieffer (aka Bot Shieffert) said, they won't publish "unless they think a story is true." Well, if they think Trig Trutherism might be true -- and it sure seems that about half of them do, but refrain from saying so publicly purely for prudential, careerist reasons -- then I guess they wouldn't be able to expose this insanity for what it is.

Posted by: Ace at 01:54 PM

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1
Who's my momma?

Posted by: Carnac the Magnificent at July 26, 2010 01:56 PM (uFokq)

2 Do we have access to Trig's Birth Certificate? What proof do we have that he was born in American?

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 01:57 PM (wuv1c)

3 Another, too often overlooked point:
Even giving "eh, maybe" consideration to an Edge of Night reject plot like this is completely fucking insane.
"But but...Bobby Darin! Jack Nicholson!"
That's not the same story. And it's not the damn '40s.

Posted by: oblig. at July 26, 2010 01:59 PM (x7Ao8)

4 Trig is Truth!

Posted by: don't ask me why I posted that at July 26, 2010 02:00 PM (YVZlY)

5 Just adding a link to mah bl0g so I don't fergit when I actually have regular drivel to contribute instead of shameless plug-like drivel.

Posted by: alexthedude at July 26, 2010 02:00 PM (rqsPh)

6 Because to the MFM as a whole the conspiracy theory seems like it's sort of maybe true?

I always smelled something fishy about the lefty disbelief that her water broke and she flew home (a couple hundred mile trip, iirc - a couple hours) instead of rushing to the nearest hospital*.

There's nothing strange about her booking for home so that she would deal with her own ob/gyn.

To me, it's all smoke and mirror diversion from the fact that we're supposed to believe that Barack's mom was flying halfway across the planet in her eighth month.

*For both of our children, my wife basically had a 'contract' with the
obstetrician which included all the monthly, then weekly, then almost
daily checkups, the delivery, and some followup visits. We paid a set
amount for every visit, so that when the baby was born, it was all paid
up. We didn't travel too far, maybe a couple hours away at most because if we had to deliver with a
different ob/gyn in another city it would have cost us another small
fortune. Our insurance back then had very limited coverage for
pregnancy. But then my employer covered husband, wife, and children
with health insurance.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 26, 2010 02:01 PM (IhHdM)

7 #2 lol

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at July 26, 2010 02:01 PM (tzcjs)

8 Sure, let's discuss Palin's uterus.
While we're at it can we discuss Obama's, umm, sexual proclivities?
*wink wink*
No? Oh right. Because there's no evidence. Only hearsay (which is far more than some crackpot theory these asswipes concocted).

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 26, 2010 02:02 PM (pLTLS)

9 They consider "Obama is on the other side" to be a conspiracy theory even with all the proof we have been given over the last 1 1/2 years.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 26, 2010 02:02 PM (usjNq)

10 No, I'm not double-posting accidentally

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Intentional busty lesbian pron links and double-posts = creepy and pedestrian

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 26, 2010 02:03 PM (P9+0W)

11 So, this a stealth birther movement on the left because they control the largest aqueducts of media certification and distribution.

Great.

Posted by: alexthedude at July 26, 2010 02:03 PM (rqsPh)

12 Conservative media: The Certificate of Live Birth clearly shows that Trig is the son of Sarah Palin.
Liberal MFM: We will not accept the Certificate of Live Birth, we want to seethe actual Birth Certificate with the footprint and shit.
Wait, What?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 26, 2010 02:04 PM (YVZlY)

13 The difference is that it matters if Obama is not a natural born citizen and it doesn't matter in the slightest if Bristol managed to be pregnant with 2 babiesat once--except to the ob believe-it-or-not records.
So why bother other than to just be a loony lefty douchefuck?

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 02:04 PM (jfpP5)

14 Is it safe to come out of the house or is Spencer Ackerman still trying to kill me?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 26, 2010 02:05 PM (xO+6C)

15 Maybe theMFM only squawks about Andi Sullivan because he's broken the first rule of Trig Club.

Posted by: stuiec at July 26, 2010 02:05 PM (7AOgy)

16 1. I wonder if Sullivan's "Trig: One More Time" post on Saturday, where he kinda sorta washes his hands of the subject 'cause he's "going around in circles now", was a pre-emptive ploy to appear reasonable knowing Trig JournoList stuff would surface soon enough and thus re-open the entire discussion.

2. "Trig Trutherism" is more akin to 9/11 Trutherism than Birtherism: proponents suggesting both conspiracies are obvious to any "reasonable observer" and almost proven by "factual narratives"; if only they had access to one or two more key pieces of evidence.

Posted by: lobotomist at July 26, 2010 02:06 PM (UsjBj)

17

So is this why the MFM refuses to note that the left is taken with
bizarre conspiracy theories of their own? Because to the MFM as a whole
the conspiracy theory seems like it's sort of maybe true?
Bing-fucking-O.
You'll hear more denunciation of Birthers from both the left and the right than you'll ever hear of Truthers (9/11 or Trig).

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 02:06 PM (ZJ/un)

18 So then, by extension, the MFM isn't going to cover anything that Americans think is remotely important because they don't see it as important at all?

Posted by: curious at July 26, 2010 02:07 PM (p302b)

19 So, this a stealth birther movement on the left because they control the
largest aqueducts of media certification and distribution.

I think "aqueducts" is the wrong word. Clean, drinkable water flowed through aqueducts. I think the press compares better to the Cloaca Maxima.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 02:09 PM (ZJ/un)

20 1. I wonder if Sullivan's "Trig: One More Time" post on Saturday, where he kinda sorta washes his hands of the subject 'cause he's "going around in circles now", was a pre-emptive ploy to appear reasonable knowing Trig JournoList stuff would surface soon enough and thus re-open the entire discussion.
Posted by: lobotomist at July 26, 2010 02:06 PM (UsjBj)
Sure - because now he can say, "Hey, I moved on already -- it's the RIGHT that's bringing it back up!"

Posted by: stuiec at July 26, 2010 02:09 PM (7AOgy)

21 14 Is it safe to come out of the house or is Spencer Ackerman still trying to kill me?
Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 26, 2010 02:05 PM (xO+6C)
Are you currently standing near a plate glass window?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 26, 2010 02:10 PM (YVZlY)

22 So then, by extension, the MFM isn't going to cover anything that
Americans think is remotely important because they don't see it as
important at all?

Got it in one. That's why the "what they don't cover" part of media bias is so nasty. They can't be blamed for not giving the truth about something they never speak about.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 02:10 PM (ZJ/un)

23 Someone on the other thread mentioned something which is a slam dunk. Who in their right minds would believe that Levi Johnson (sp?) would keep his mouth shut about such a conspiracy and not sell the story if there was a dime to be made?

No one. But the left is not in their right minds.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 26, 2010 02:11 PM (IhHdM)

24 Andi knows his audience and will continue his zany antics until they fail.

Think Jerry Lewis in "Hardly Working"...

Posted by: sven10077 at July 26, 2010 02:12 PM (kq1lG)

25 Cripes. Never has one uterus held the hopes and aspirations of so many total fucking leftard imbeciles. Maybe they can go a round for her asshole, at least they could "change the narrative". How about toe jam gate? Does she brush her teeth regularly?

Posted by: maddogg at July 26, 2010 02:14 PM (OlN4e)

26 Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 02:09 PM (ZJ/un)

haha! good point!

Posted by: alexthedude at July 26, 2010 02:14 PM (rqsPh)

27 The Washington Post insists that the Journolist stuff is a right wing conspiracy BECAUSE THE RIGHT WING IS COVERING IT!
LINK: http://tinyurl.com/28sxnwl
The commentors need some correction too, if you're so inclined.

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 02:15 PM (jfpP5)

28 "23
Someone on the other thread mentioned something which is a slam dunk.
Who in their right minds would believe that Levi Johnson (sp?) would
keep his mouth shut about such a conspiracy and not sell the story if
there was a dime to be made?

No one. But the left is not in their right minds.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 26, 2010 02:11 PM (IhHdM)"That's the point right there. That guy has been willing to say anything to anyone against sarah palin and his own GF and his own kid, for money, anything. If he had credible information that this was in fact true, he would have hit the lottery with the enquirer.

Posted by: curious at July 26, 2010 02:15 PM (p302b)

29 Schieffer

Posted by: Abby Adams at July 26, 2010 02:17 PM (pLTLS)

30 28 Curious,

quite if he thought he could make a nickle off it he'd claim he knocked Sarah up unless I miss my guess.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 26, 2010 02:19 PM (kq1lG)

31 25 Cripes. Never has one uterus held the hopes and aspirations of so many total fucking leftard imbeciles. Maybe they can go a round for her asshole, at least they could "change the narrative". How about toe jam gate? Does she brush her teeth regularly?
Posted by: maddogg at July 26, 2010 02:14 PM (OlN4e)
Bullshit! What about my uterus?

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32 No one gets into this viciousness without lacking respect for human dignity expressed within a traditional family life. As often as not, this sort of rumor mongering detestably derives from within the leftist gay-activist community. Without intruding at least into the lives of children publicly educated, they just can't let either a baby or a mother alone to grow love within a traditional family setting that these days could by chance include teen pregnancy.

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33 No, I did not say that all gays are cruel.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 26, 2010 02:20 PM (H+LJc)

34 Hey!!! What about me??!!!WTF? I got the biggest story in history!

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36 My name is DOCTOR AMY BISHOP...and don't you forget it.

Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at July 26, 2010 02:23 PM (AenIX)

37 14
Is it safe to come out of the house or is Spencer Ackerman still trying to kill me?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 26, 2010 02:05 PM (xO+6C)

Did you see that little crapweasel on the video at DC? Could you imagine him in a real fight? I still wish Ledeen would go and find him just to watch him piss his pants.

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Posted by: Art Bell at July 26, 2010 02:28 PM (AenIX)

39 O/T my husband insists that Madmen is written by women and gays to appeal to only women and gays.

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 02:29 PM (jfpP5)

40 It's THE SUMMER of Recovery!
*stares at camera while removing sunglasses and dropping them*

Posted by: sheriff Joe Biden at July 26, 2010 02:30 PM (AenIX)

41 in front of the saloon, ... at sunrise, ... Trig's records and Obama's

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42 Wanna go for a ride young lady?

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at July 26, 2010 02:32 PM (AenIX)

43 Okay, to be fair... the Journolist Trig stuff is from before it was revealed that Bristol was pregnant with Trixx or Snowshoe or Cosine or whatever his name is. The conspiracy theory is less nutty if it doesn't require you to explain two births in seven months.

The difference with Milky Loads is that he kept pushing it AFTER he knew that a faked pregnancy would require Bristol to give birth twice in seven months.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 26, 2010 03:05 PM (U97wT)

44 Don't know if this has been covered but the incidence of birth defects such as Down's and miscarriages goes up radically not only if a womanreaches theage of44 but also if she's had numerous other children, like say five.
With that in mind Sarah Palin's chance of having a Down's baby may have risen to1 in 20, or even 1 in 15.
As for woman not being able to conceive after age 40 -- must be the explanation for my mother having a hysterectomy after having a child at age 41

Posted by: Call me Lennie at July 26, 2010 03:07 PM (r/5/5)

45 Okay, to be fair...
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 26, 2010 03:05 PM (U97wT)
What you wanna go an' do that for? When have THEY ever been fair to US?
See, by forcing THEM to make the point about two births in seven months in their own defense, you make them voice the proof that Andi Sullivan is a nutbag even in THEIR eyes. (That is, if they don't actually agree with him.)

Posted by: stuiec at July 26, 2010 03:08 PM (7AOgy)

46 The conspiracy theory is less nutty if it doesn't require you to explain two births in seven months.Just like JIF would be far less nutty if you just removed all the peanuts from it first. But of course there's really not much left to it if you do.
This BS with Trig being Bristols son is complete and total nonsense, always has been, always will be - the hospital where he was born in Texas confirms he is Sarah's son.
The notion that the hospital staff would lie, falsify official state documents like a birth certificate are absolutely ludicrous.
The rest of their case is based on half truth, conjecture and pretty much total bullshit.
Funny though how the same media that is screaming about having all your facts 100% checked out prior to running the story were the same media pushing this load of bushwa (another word revived in honor of Ace) without checking squat. In fact they kept reporting that it "might" be true so much knowing full well that even if it was total crap if they just repeated it enough some idiots would believe it to be true regardless of the facts.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 26, 2010 03:41 PM (e8T35)

47 Has the resident ob/gyn at the Atlantic ever considered the fact that if this whole thing really were a conspiracy, then last thing Sarah would have done is flown across the country? If she were really trying to cover for Bristol, she would probably have remained in the shadows.

And yes, I know I am applying reason where those on the other side have none.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at July 26, 2010 03:43 PM (MVcnm)

48 While we're at it can we discuss Obama's, umm, sexual proclivities?
Wow.. ick.. on second thought can we just skip this part? I mean the best that can be said for the guy is that he's humping the wookie. Yikes. And that's the least repulsive thing he might me doing.
So, please, lets not talk about it, and for heavens sake nobody post video!

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 26, 2010 03:43 PM (e8T35)

49 Gee, I wonder why they hate Palin more than the other GOP potentials.

It's almost as if they think she would be more conservative or something.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 26, 2010 03:53 PM (dUOK+)

50 This BS with Trig being Bristols son is complete and total nonsense,
always has been, always will be - the hospital where he was born in
Texas confirms he is Sarah's son.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 26, 2010 03:41 PM (e8T35)

The birth did not take place in Texas. She cut short her speech at the conference with Rick Perry, jumped on a plane and flew from Houston to Anchorage.

That is the basis of much of the lefty conspiracy, that there is no way she should have flown back home, any good mother would have just gone to a Houston hospital, way too risky, Alan Colmes was one who implied she caused the Down Syndrome by doing this.

Regardless, the kid was born in Alaska.

Incidentally, the legendary women's NCAA basketball coach at U Tennessee, Pat Summit, told a story where she did something similar.
She was out of state, in Texas I think, and started labor.
She said hell no, my kid will be born a Tennessean and hauled ass back home to have the baby there.
Nobody said anything was wrong with that.

Posted by: Brian72 at July 26, 2010 03:55 PM (GNBk5)

51 That is the basis of much of the lefty conspiracy, that there is no way
she should have flown back home, any good mother would have just gone to
a Houston hospital, way too risky,

This attitude stems from what I like to call the "Hollywoodization" of labor. You know, the woman's water breaks or she has the faintest of contractions, she's immediately rushed to the hospital, and baby pops out moments later. In real life, it doesn't happen like that. In fact, I think the only movie that is even remotely realistic in this regard is Knocked Up.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at July 26, 2010 04:03 PM (MVcnm)

52 39...

There are several quite hetero ex-military fellas at my place of employment who really like Madmen. I'm sure they're reminiscing about a time when men were men and women were supposed to shut the hell up.

Personally, I love everything about the show. I wouldn't have wanted to be a single woman trying to work in that world, but it's a fantastic show.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 26, 2010 04:22 PM (v+ZxY)

53 Posted by: Paul Zummo at July 26, 2010 04:03 PM (MVcnm)

Labor, law enforcement, war, relationships

All neatly solved in 30min or 1 hour, minus commercial time.

Posted by: Brian72 at July 26, 2010 04:23 PM (GNBk5)

54 Hey everybody! I'm still relevant!

Posted by: Wasilla Stalker at July 26, 2010 04:43 PM (8Nc4N)

55 See, by forcing THEM to make the point about two births in seven months
in their own defense, you make them voice the proof that Andi Sullivan
is a nutbag even in THEIR eyes.

Did someone say nutbag? Mmm-mmm.

Posted by: Obstetrician-General Sir Andrew S. Sullivan, Esq., O.B.E., W.T.F. at July 26, 2010 05:36 PM (mAm+G)

56 If I may quote myself from today's blog: "This is your liberal media, ladies and gentlemen: totally partisan,
interested in the truth only if it advances their agenda, and devoid of
any balls whatsoever."

And that's why I still proclaim myself a conservative. Liberals don't have any balls. And I gots to have me some balls.

Posted by: Obstetrician-General Sir Andrew S. Sullivan, Esq., O.B.E., W.T.F. at July 26, 2010 05:49 PM (mAm+G)

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fx15 - fx 15 - fx15 zayiflama - fx15 zayiflama hapi - fx15 yorumlar - fx 15 yorumlar - fx15 zayiflama yorumlar - fx15 zayiflama hapi yorumlar - fx15 kullanimi - fx 15 kullanimi - fx15 zayiflama kullanimi - fx15 zayiflama hapi kullanimi - orjinal fx15 - orjinal fx 15 - orjinal fx15 zayiflama - orjinal fx15 zayiflama hapi
renuee - renuee eternelle - renuee catlak kremi - renuee eternelle catlak giderici krem - renuee catlak giderici krem - renuee yorumlar - renuee eternelle yorumlar - renuee catlak kremi yorumlar - renuee eternelle catlak giderici krem yorumlar - renuee catlak giderici krem yorumlar - renuee kullanimi - renuee eternelle kullanimi - renuee catlak kremi kullanimi - renuee eternelle catlak giderici krem kullanimi - renuee catlak giderici krem kullanimi
red pepper - red pepper gel - redpepper gel - redpeper gel - red peper gel - biber jeli - kirmizi biber jeli - red pepper gel - red pepper gel yorumlar - redpepper gel yorumlar - redpeper gel yorumlar - red peper gel yorumlar - biber jeli yorumlar - kirmizi biber jeli yorumlar - red pepper gel yorumlar - red pepper gel kullanimi - redpepper gel kullanimi - redpeper gel kullanimi - red peper gel kullanimi - biber jeli kullanimi - kirmizi biber jeli kullanimi - red pepper gel kullanimipepper time - biber hapı - peper time - biber zamani - meksika biber hapi - orjinal pepper time - orjinal biber hapi - orjinal peper time - orjinal biber zamani - orjinal meksika biber hapi - pepper time yorumlar - biber hapi yorumlar - peper time yorumlar - biber zamani yorumlar - meksika biber hapi yorumlar - pepper time kullanimi - biber hapi kullanimi - peper time kullanimi - biber zamani kullanimi - meksika biber hapi kullanimi

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