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Congratulations, Obama!: Media's Savaging of Joe the Plumber Causes Witness to Ayers-Obama Relationship to Get Cold Feet
The tip, and this is just a tip, but it's coming from someone reliable:
The problem in this story is twofold. Without wanting to provide details, the story really needs a second source. Tom Maguire? Buddy? Please answer my emails. The second problem is that anonymity -- no names, no pictures-- is requested. He fears retaliation and harassment. And who knows -- perhaps more. Media may get away with going single-source on this, or anonymous sources, but not both single-source and anonymous. So here's the day's twist: Believe it or don't. The source was considering dropping his demand for anonymity. Thus likely moving the story forward. (He wasn't considering going forward with the Politico, by the way: but with the other, more important organization.) And now, today? After witnessing Politico, among others, savage Joe Wurtzelbacher? Cold feet. The Politico has this story. They've had it for a while. They don't want to run it with the guy's anonymity kept intact. Gee, I wonder why he wanted to keep that? They're willing to endlessly vet anyone who even asks Barack Obama a question, but not Barack Obama himself. I can pretty much understand the media's reluctance to allow anonymity -- except for the fact that the media so gleefully engages in the witness intimidation that prompts the request for anonymity in the first place. As of now, the story appears dead. Again, second source crucial. If anyone has the guts to go up against Obama's cultists and his state media.The Other Party on the Story: I should say the Politico's reasoning is not obviously biased, because the other party, whom I respect, has the same damn problems. I am picking on the Politico, however, because let's face it, they are a bit loose with the rules when it suits them, and because they took part in this "vetting," as they call it, of a citizen who dared to ask a question. They're part of the same smear campaign and creepy threats of retaliation -- a home address? Why does that need to be known to a charged, angry electorate? -- against a guy who asked a question. No, the Politico didn't do that part, but they dug an awful lot. And encouraged digging, because any leftie who hit upon something would get his tip published. I cannot even imagine what would happen to a guy who called Obama a straight-up liar on his supposed "flimsy" relationship with The Terrorist William Ayers. They know what this guy fears -- because they just participated in it. Any dink of a sub-bureaucrat who could whistle-blow against the Bush Administration would have his story told -- with anonymity. But it's different for The One.
Comments
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we need an AOS Protection Fund set up for donations STAT!
Posted by: jadedinga at October 16, 2008 08:14 PM (LJnG/)
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I hate to say this, but the future of the country is at stake. Isn't there some way this guy's identity can be protected?
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 16, 2008 08:15 PM (v0/ML)
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Run it, big fella. People will have your back--$$.
Posted by: Themistocles at October 16, 2008 08:15 PM (LYgRM)
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MOTHERFUCKERS!
Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 08:16 PM (xFNQx)
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What - whoever this is, if it's big, doesn't need a fund, he needs an agent.
Joe the Plumber will be making out like Joe the Bandit, if he wants to.
Joe the Plumber will be making out like Joe the Bandit, if he wants to.
Posted by: CK MacLeod at October 16, 2008 08:16 PM (8aPVo)
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Politico has the story, and knows who the source is?
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 08:17 PM (7sl9X)
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anyway, get on with it, dont forget that there is a least half the country who has their back, i mean, come on, obama aint the only thug around!!!
Posted by: william at October 16, 2008 08:18 PM (AMhGD)
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All throughout the last eight years these cocksuckers have been shrieking about totalitarianism.
This is what it really looks like you motherfuckers! This is it! You've been projecting your own intentions the whole fucking time!
This is what it really looks like you motherfuckers! This is it! You've been projecting your own intentions the whole fucking time!
Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 08:18 PM (xFNQx)
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I feel for this person.
Damn if only Drudge were on his A-Game. He could leak exactly what Politico is sitting on.
Damn if only Drudge were on his A-Game. He could leak exactly what Politico is sitting on.
Posted by: mcg at October 16, 2008 08:19 PM (ejhPJ)
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I can pretty much understand the media's reluctance to allow anonymity -
Since. Freaking. When. Oh, wait, anonymity is okay only for stories that harm us racist gunclinger bitter religious nuts. How could I possibly forget that?
Since. Freaking. When. Oh, wait, anonymity is okay only for stories that harm us racist gunclinger bitter religious nuts. How could I possibly forget that?
Posted by: alexthechick at October 16, 2008 08:20 PM (e1Gtg)
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I like the idea of an AOS protection fund. If this is truly as big a deal as AOS says it is, I'd kick in $1000. I'm not kidding.
Posted by: mcg at October 16, 2008 08:21 PM (ejhPJ)
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Are we at war? Seriously. All of this leaves a sick feeling in my stomach.
Posted by: Eric at October 16, 2008 08:21 PM (/R49b)
Posted by: shit-house lawyer at October 16, 2008 08:21 PM (p9EDF)
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You should just report yourself if noone else will by the next week or so...
Posted by: yarrrr at October 16, 2008 08:22 PM (n1rFJ)
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This is some bs... I hate the media !#*(#@#
Posted by: Smith at October 16, 2008 08:22 PM (qddqX)
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You know what was on top of the Google News page just now?
2,417 stories attacking Joe the Plumber!
2,417 stories attacking Joe the Plumber!
Posted by: Ray Patterson at October 16, 2008 08:22 PM (d2fuu)
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What - whoever this is, if it's big, doesn't need a fund, he needs an agent.
Are you kidding? He'll need a bodyguard.
On second thought, considering how the leftists keep upping the ante, a platoon of bodyguards.
Are you kidding? He'll need a bodyguard.
On second thought, considering how the leftists keep upping the ante, a platoon of bodyguards.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 16, 2008 08:23 PM (Ds4I5)
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Chill wind FTW!
Posted by: exception at October 16, 2008 08:23 PM (o5wq5)
Posted by: jjshaka at October 16, 2008 08:23 PM (Z5i2q)
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WHO wants to be even MORE pissed off?
Posted by: Jones in CO at October 16, 2008 08:24 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: Benson at October 16, 2008 08:24 PM (qzcNU)
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Check this out - disabled people forced against their wishes to vote for Obama:
http://tinyurl.com/4owov2
http://tinyurl.com/4owov2
Posted by: Jim62sch at October 16, 2008 08:25 PM (ubHgw)
Posted by: Bart at October 16, 2008 08:25 PM (3unGT)
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Have the guy call Drudge, he relishes in getting the stories the media won't -- anonymous or not.
Posted by: LifeTrek at October 16, 2008 08:25 PM (tJTIW)
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You know, I could probably get myself banned here for saying what's on my mind (and justifiably so; and no, it's nothing to do with race). I think I'll keep quiet about this.
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at October 16, 2008 08:26 PM (ltwze)
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Have the guy call Drudge, he relishes in getting the stories the media won't -- anonymous or not.
Exactly. Drudge doesn't care about the media's requirement for sources. If need be, send it Andy Breitbart's way.
Exactly. Drudge doesn't care about the media's requirement for sources. If need be, send it Andy Breitbart's way.
Posted by: Benson at October 16, 2008 08:26 PM (qzcNU)
Posted by: Al at October 16, 2008 08:27 PM (Lk931)
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Benson has a great idea. I don't know which way Drudge is leaning right now. I had heard he was for Barry before.
Drudge is possibly the only right-of-center site that could elevate this thing.
Drudge is possibly the only right-of-center site that could elevate this thing.
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 16, 2008 08:28 PM (v0/ML)
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Would anyone be surprised if that cocksucker Olberman names Joe the plumber the worst person in the world?
I wouldn't. Not one bit.
I wouldn't. Not one bit.
Posted by: Bart at October 16, 2008 08:29 PM (3unGT)
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Would you trust Drudge?
Drudge's contact form asks for no information. He may've had some sort of fling with Barry to begin the season off with, but he's been highlighting anti-Obama stories and good news for McCain since around Palin's nomination.
Drudge is a pro-life conservative (who incidentally hates taxes by admission) and Andy Breitbart, who helps manage the site, is a righty, too.
Drudge's contact form asks for no information. He may've had some sort of fling with Barry to begin the season off with, but he's been highlighting anti-Obama stories and good news for McCain since around Palin's nomination.
Drudge is a pro-life conservative (who incidentally hates taxes by admission) and Andy Breitbart, who helps manage the site, is a righty, too.
Posted by: Benson at October 16, 2008 08:29 PM (qzcNU)
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Jones, Jim, you two are going to have to get me some blood pressure meds. Holy fuck!
Posted by: XBradTC at October 16, 2008 08:30 PM (nD1qp)
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30,
I think Drudge is a traffic-whore more than anything else... if a big story will cause more interest in his site, he'll break it and watch the hit-counter spike.
I think Drudge is a traffic-whore more than anything else... if a big story will cause more interest in his site, he'll break it and watch the hit-counter spike.
Posted by: Officer Jim Malone, Tresury Dept. at October 16, 2008 08:30 PM (U7TcP)
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Count me in for $. Let your witness know we have his back.
Posted by: mrobvious at October 16, 2008 08:30 PM (KMcEY)
Posted by: Z Ryan at October 16, 2008 08:30 PM (PDeVA)
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Oh, and Joe the Plumber should move to Alaska, I think he would fit in there. I wonder if they need any more plumbers in Wasilla?
Fuck it, let's all move to Wasilla if Obama wins. Sounds pretty great about now. I would be happy to prostrate myself and swear fealty to our Barbarian Queen.
Fuck it, let's all move to Wasilla if Obama wins. Sounds pretty great about now. I would be happy to prostrate myself and swear fealty to our Barbarian Queen.
Posted by: Jim62sch at October 16, 2008 08:30 PM (ubHgw)
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If you can independently verify it, run it single-sourced and anonymous. If you get any shit for it, say your source was Mark Felt.
Fuck the MSM.
Fuck the MSM.
Posted by: INCITEmarsh at October 16, 2008 08:31 PM (ULsz9)
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You know, I've been blogging under my real name for a while now because I've always been an unabashed Conservative. Suddenly I'm kind of regretting making that decision.
Posted by: BTM in the STL at October 16, 2008 08:35 PM (v0dke)
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Get this fucking shit! I am so pissed. obama is going to be in Kansas City, Missouri on Saturday. He will be speaking at the WW1 Liberty Memorial. No signs or banners will be allowed. If I am not mistaken, I believe the Memorial is funded partly by the taxpayers of Kansas City. Isn't this unconstitutional? Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
http://tinyurl.com/55542x
http://tinyurl.com/55542x
Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 08:35 PM (4eYzF)
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You need some kneecaps busted? Who ya gonna call?
Posted by: Corona at October 16, 2008 08:36 PM (pI8vF)
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KC, no, not if he's renting it.
Posted by: XBradTC at October 16, 2008 08:37 PM (nD1qp)
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The Disgusting drill T-Shirt of McCain and Sarah is made by a company of assholes called Threadpit. Their website says they are in Gainesville, FL. If ou go to Yahoo yellow pages for Gainesville, FL and enter Threadpit the listing comes bac with a phone # of (352) 371-6536.
Posted by: Bill at October 16, 2008 08:37 PM (l3Nvd)
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I can pretty much understand the media's reluctance to allow anonymity
Are you fucking kidding me? Does the name Deep Throat ring any bells? The left has made an industry on anonymity when it suits their needs.
Don't you dare defend them.
Are you fucking kidding me? Does the name Deep Throat ring any bells? The left has made an industry on anonymity when it suits their needs.
Don't you dare defend them.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2008 08:37 PM (VBon8)
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The media wasn't terribly concerned about anonymity when it ran the Vicki Iseman story.
Posted by: Benson at October 16, 2008 08:38 PM (qzcNU)
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Ace, this is big. I'm in for whatever you need. Including moolaa.
Posted by: CDR M at October 16, 2008 08:39 PM (TJoU6)
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You can get 20 sources and BOR will just say it's crap.
Posted by: Amused Observer at October 16, 2008 08:39 PM (Z1++R)
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So run it anyway, if the source is okay w/ being quoted as anon
Posted by: Amused Observer at October 16, 2008 08:40 PM (Z1++R)
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This is an important point. Is this source anonymous to Politico? Because if they are certain of the source, they can corroborate, vet, whatever, at will. There is no ethical rule of journalism that demand they NAME the source.
If, however, Politico has no idea who this person is, well then, Politico is doing the right thing.
If, however, Politico has no idea who this person is, well then, Politico is doing the right thing.
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 08:40 PM (7sl9X)
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Exactly. Drudge doesn't care about the media's requirement for sources. If need be, send it Andy Breitbart's way.
Breitbart actually "broke" the story on The Rusty Humphries Show a few nights ago. He didn't reveal the anonymous source's name, but he did mention the story.
I think it's safe to say what it's about, now.
Breitbart actually "broke" the story on The Rusty Humphries Show a few nights ago. He didn't reveal the anonymous source's name, but he did mention the story.
I think it's safe to say what it's about, now.
Posted by: Nice Deb at October 16, 2008 08:41 PM (9Ghzz)
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Do YOU know the identity of the person, Ace?
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 08:41 PM (7sl9X)
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You can count my wife and I in for $250 for a "forgeddabouddit" fund. Of course, we understand that we'd have to put our money where our mouth is prior. Completely understand. We need assurances, too, though (like refunds).
Posted by: Editor at October 16, 2008 08:42 PM (p4YSL)
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"You know, I've been blogging under my real name for a while now because
I've always been an unabashed Conservative. Suddenly I'm kind of
regretting making that decision."
I won't do it. I can't help but notice, however, that the biggest leftwing cocksuckers are often unhesitant about putting their real name behind it. I don't know whether to respect their fearlessness or marvel at their cluelessness.
I've always been an unabashed Conservative. Suddenly I'm kind of
regretting making that decision."
I won't do it. I can't help but notice, however, that the biggest leftwing cocksuckers are often unhesitant about putting their real name behind it. I don't know whether to respect their fearlessness or marvel at their cluelessness.
Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 08:42 PM (xFNQx)
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What about Lucy Ramirez's source for the TNG documents? The media never gave a shit about that person. (Because they know s/he doesn't exist, but still...)
Posted by: Bart at October 16, 2008 08:44 PM (3unGT)
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Does Politico have only the story, or do they know the name of the source as well?
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 08:45 PM (7sl9X)
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JtP isn't going to see his life ruined; he's just been smeared a bit. So - just as long as your papers are in order - please don't let the treatment's he's gotten dissuade you from asking BHO a question.
Posted by: How to Defeat Barack Obama at October 16, 2008 08:46 PM (IJgj7)
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So Obama's Stalinist style is paying off. The media may giggle now but eventually he will come for them and there will be no one to help or care.
Thanks MSM for putting us all in this mess.
Thanks MSM for putting us all in this mess.
Posted by: cara at October 16, 2008 08:46 PM (DswSt)
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Hey, we can turn this around...
He's an undocumented plumber!!
That should get the left and their media mouthpieces on Joe's side!!
Sanctuary for undocumeted plumbers!!
He's an undocumented plumber!!
That should get the left and their media mouthpieces on Joe's side!!
Sanctuary for undocumeted plumbers!!
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at October 16, 2008 08:46 PM (p8IOE)
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libs wearing t-shirts showing McCain 'doing' Palin
http://tinyurl.com/44bhqj
http://tinyurl.com/44bhqj
Posted by: Jones in CO at October 16, 2008 08:47 PM (KOkrW)
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I hate to sound like a child who needs excessive direction but sometimes it would be handy to know if there is anything we can do.
You finally convinced me that the fan/fred angle was the best, so I've been raising some money for it.
Sorry to be slow, but any help needed?
You finally convinced me that the fan/fred angle was the best, so I've been raising some money for it.
Sorry to be slow, but any help needed?
Posted by: counter at October 16, 2008 08:49 PM (8/0ME)
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Ace: do you have any contacts at the American Spectator? Ten years ago at least they were good for getting these kinds of stories out about the Clintons. But a lot's changed over there and maybe they've self-clipped their own wings.
Posted by: Sarge6 at October 16, 2008 08:49 PM (mV2tR)
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Nice Deb -
Do you remember which night Breitbart was on Rusty Humphries? He's offering free podcasts of his show right now, and I'd love to download it, especially if it reveals the nub of this story.
Do you remember which night Breitbart was on Rusty Humphries? He's offering free podcasts of his show right now, and I'd love to download it, especially if it reveals the nub of this story.
Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 08:51 PM (xFNQx)
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http://tinyurl.com/638cbd
Gotta watch this. Very damaging for barry today.
This should go EVERYWHERE
Vim Toot!
Gotta watch this. Very damaging for barry today.
This should go EVERYWHERE
Vim Toot!
Posted by: Mica Vim Toot at October 16, 2008 08:51 PM (cPArb)
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speaking of "huh"?, drudge has a headline saying the Gallup likely traditional model is 2 points, 49-47,not 3 as shown here.
no idea why
no idea why
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 16, 2008 08:52 PM (eiOZw)
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I can't help but notice, however, that the biggest leftwing cocksuckers
are often unhesitant about putting their real name behind it. I don't
know whether to respect their fearlessness or marvel at their
cluelessness.
Because they know that even the most rabid right-wingers still have a sense of honor.
Which is more than can be said for a substantial portion of the left.
are often unhesitant about putting their real name behind it. I don't
know whether to respect their fearlessness or marvel at their
cluelessness.
Because they know that even the most rabid right-wingers still have a sense of honor.
Which is more than can be said for a substantial portion of the left.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 16, 2008 08:53 PM (Ds4I5)
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I hate to sound like a hard ass, but if these people are sitting on something that is a possible game changer they have an obligation to the country to man up an go public. Sorry, sometimes you have to act courageously for the greater good and trust your allies will come to your aide as best they can.
I could not put my head to pillow, or shave my face in the mirror ever again knowing I could have stopped Obama and didn't. That just a fact. I am not some super brave guy or some tough guy, but we are talking about the future of our country at one of the most vulnerable times in its history. As Charles Krauthammer remarked tonight, the barriers to fundamental change in this country were torn down by this economic bailout. With those historical barriers gone, Obama+Pelosi+Reid will rush further left quicker than can be imagined.
Hey, maybe I'm wrong... not knowing the details it's tough to say.
I could not put my head to pillow, or shave my face in the mirror ever again knowing I could have stopped Obama and didn't. That just a fact. I am not some super brave guy or some tough guy, but we are talking about the future of our country at one of the most vulnerable times in its history. As Charles Krauthammer remarked tonight, the barriers to fundamental change in this country were torn down by this economic bailout. With those historical barriers gone, Obama+Pelosi+Reid will rush further left quicker than can be imagined.
Hey, maybe I'm wrong... not knowing the details it's tough to say.
Posted by: TheBigOldDog at October 16, 2008 08:53 PM (0oAW0)
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Kensington, I think it was last Fri.
Posted by: Nice Deb at October 16, 2008 08:53 PM (9Ghzz)
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Surely the Obama campaign already knows who this guy is. But if he doesn't put himself in the public eye, a mysterious "accident" could go unnoticed.
If this guy is worried about reprisals, the very best way to combat that is to go public.Goingpublicwould make it very difficult for anyone to harm him in a meaningful way.
If this guy is worried about reprisals, the very best way to combat that is to go public.Goingpublicwould make it very difficult for anyone to harm him in a meaningful way.
Posted by: Jaeson at October 16, 2008 08:55 PM (t7lZr)
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I'm no reporter nor ever will be. But God bless you Ace.
Posted by: Corona at October 16, 2008 08:55 PM (pI8vF)
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Dems: We need a distraction, quick!
MSM: How about we blanket the press and airwaves with a story about a guy who brought a monkey doll to a McCain rally?
Dems: Brilliant!
MSM: How about we blanket the press and airwaves with a story about a guy who brought a monkey doll to a McCain rally?
Dems: Brilliant!
Posted by: Bart at October 16, 2008 08:55 PM (3unGT)
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Take some heat for your country Mr,Cold Feet!!!
Posted by: Smith at October 16, 2008 08:55 PM (qddqX)
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Stop whining and hinting; it's getting annoying. Convince these people to come forward (for everyone's safe) or let it go and stop teasing us (again for everyone's sake).
Posted by: Trent1289 at October 16, 2008 08:56 PM (QgwsB)
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Oh just knock it off.
Posted by: Corona at October 16, 2008 08:58 PM (pI8vF)
Posted by: Mica Vim Toot at October 16, 2008 09:01 PM (cPArb)
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Posted by: Mica Vim Toot at October 16, 2008 08:51 PM (cPArb)
Nice going, obama. I am sure that is going to sit well with those who are thinking about starting a business. Please keep your mouth open.
Nice going, obama. I am sure that is going to sit well with those who are thinking about starting a business. Please keep your mouth open.
Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 09:01 PM (4eYzF)
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Ace--
There is a guy who can help. He specializes in anonymous sources and his credentials are impeccable. He is absolutely trustworthy and will not give up the source. Give up?
ROBERT NOVAK.
There is a guy who can help. He specializes in anonymous sources and his credentials are impeccable. He is absolutely trustworthy and will not give up the source. Give up?
ROBERT NOVAK.
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 16, 2008 09:02 PM (v0/ML)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 16, 2008 09:03 PM (r+7hM)
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I don't know . . . even if Ayers was the _____ of ___ ___ ___ ___: ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ and not Obama, and even if it appeared on the front page of the NYT, I'm not sure it would have much of an effect.
Posted by: The Raving Atheist at October 16, 2008 09:04 PM (sYsFs)
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Ace,
I don't know what they are sitting on, but Greta is trying to get information on the relationships between SEIU, Rathke, Obama, Ayers and Weatherman underground.
http://tinyurl.com/48ueq3
I don't know what they are sitting on, but Greta is trying to get information on the relationships between SEIU, Rathke, Obama, Ayers and Weatherman underground.
http://tinyurl.com/48ueq3
Posted by: TXNavy at October 16, 2008 09:04 PM (FwHG1)
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Cara--Good point, from all appearances, President Obama will certainly squelch media freedom, probably in the interests of "national security"
Posted by: geoff at October 16, 2008 09:04 PM (2Jf1/)
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#74, hey you know, you've got a point there....
Posted by: TheBigOldDog at October 16, 2008 09:06 PM (0oAW0)
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Yeah, #74 is absolutely correct. I wouldn't put anything past Obama and his thugs.
Posted by: Nice Deb at October 16, 2008 09:07 PM (9Ghzz)
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What does this guy know? Is it that Ayers is the ghost writer of Obama's first book? Or just that Dohrn babysat the kids?
Posted by: geoff at October 16, 2008 09:08 PM (2Jf1/)
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Hey Ace, I know you and the staff can read my e-mail address, so shoot me a line if you need a good place to hide a witness, like way up a back road near the 101st Airborne's home base on a block full of gun-owning combat vets. Let some of the Obama freaks come out to this neighborhood and fuck around.
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 16, 2008 09:08 PM (y2s/z)
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Whatever happened to that "speaking truth to power" stuff? I thought that was everyone's patriot duty? Isn't this when the MSM steps in & declares Joe to be some plucky upstart with enough gumption & courage to save the world from those drunk w/ power? No? No? Oh....
Posted by: Che Pizza at October 16, 2008 09:12 PM (RLBRw)
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#89
My understanding is that it's the latter but talking openly about it makes it hard to differentiate between the possible witnesses and the goofballs.
Note: feel free to delete this comment.
My understanding is that it's the latter but talking openly about it makes it hard to differentiate between the possible witnesses and the goofballs.
Note: feel free to delete this comment.
Posted by: counter at October 16, 2008 09:12 PM (8/0ME)
Posted by: jadedinga at October 16, 2008 09:15 PM (LJnG/)
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Fresh Air, Novak is untouchable even by Obama--he's been reporting in DC since the Eisenhower Administration--and Novak called the election for McCain before the primaries were even over, but Novak is also gunshy these days due to how he got burned on the Rove-Libby-Plame-Armitage BS. But yeah, getting any of this out through him couldn't hurt: he's someone no one in the MSM can ignore.
Posted by: Dave J at October 16, 2008 09:17 PM (qsGH+)
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Fox is carrying the Al Smith Dinner speeches. McCain is kicking ass
Posted by: Frank G at October 16, 2008 09:19 PM (P0rQD)
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"Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." John Wayne
Posted by: Farmer at October 16, 2008 09:20 PM (L42hv)
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Newspapers run stories with anonymous sources all the time?
Special treatment for Obama? Admit it, Politico. You're crooked.
Special treatment for Obama? Admit it, Politico. You're crooked.
Posted by: PJ at October 16, 2008 09:21 PM (GVdvM)
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Dave J--
Novak may not live through another election. This would be a good way to leave his mark on the world. Also, he still writes a column syndicated through the Sun-Slimes, the Official Newspaper of Barry O'Bama.
Novak may not live through another election. This would be a good way to leave his mark on the world. Also, he still writes a column syndicated through the Sun-Slimes, the Official Newspaper of Barry O'Bama.
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 16, 2008 09:24 PM (v0/ML)
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Ace, why won't you say whether the source is anonymous to Politico, or not. That is a pretty big point.
It's one thing to keep a known source, vetted and corroborated, on background, it's another not to know who the source is.
If the former, why on earth do they have a requirement of "outing" the source? Is the source so weak that there is no way to check up on the source without throwing the source to the wolves? Especially when the wolves are known to be out with long teeth and knives?
It's one thing to keep a known source, vetted and corroborated, on background, it's another not to know who the source is.
If the former, why on earth do they have a requirement of "outing" the source? Is the source so weak that there is no way to check up on the source without throwing the source to the wolves? Especially when the wolves are known to be out with long teeth and knives?
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 09:27 PM (7sl9X)
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You got two sources, babe? Run the fucker. You're good, as long as it wasn't done in MS Word.
Their rules, our playground. Fuck 'em.
Their rules, our playground. Fuck 'em.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 16, 2008 09:31 PM (r+7hM)
93
I say start leaking the story itself. If it has legs it will demand attribution and follow up. If there are others, and any really worthy story will, then that can start becoming apparent. Approaching guys like Breitbart and Novak etc. behind the scenes can help give it enough strength to pull it through. Make the story the star, not the man telling it. If the story is big, the man is safe.
I say start leaking the story itself. If it has legs it will demand attribution and follow up. If there are others, and any really worthy story will, then that can start becoming apparent. Approaching guys like Breitbart and Novak etc. behind the scenes can help give it enough strength to pull it through. Make the story the star, not the man telling it. If the story is big, the man is safe.
Posted by: Rocky's Pal at October 16, 2008 09:34 PM (ywSvi)
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Are you kidding? He'll need a bodyguard. On second thought, considering how the leftists keep upping the ante, a platoon of bodyguards.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 16, 2008 08:23 PM (Ds4I5)
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Dude(s). Are you kidding me? Pansy Obama and his band of effete little Democrat fairies aren't a threat to anyone but themselves. Bill the Buttfucking Bomber Ayers and his band of retarded leftists can't even killtheir intended victims with a decent pipe bomb - they only killed themselves.
I haven't paid much attention to Joe the Plumber, but he looked pretty solid in the video I saw, as tall as Obambi, but not all sissied like Barry. I think he'll be just fine. Democrats can't fight, they just paint your car or slash the tires. Fucking Queers.
As for this unnamed mole from the Weather Underground, maybe he'll need to keep a few pipe bombs in his car for protection. Go ahead, dude. For the revolution.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 16, 2008 08:23 PM (Ds4I5)
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Dude(s). Are you kidding me? Pansy Obama and his band of effete little Democrat fairies aren't a threat to anyone but themselves. Bill the Buttfucking Bomber Ayers and his band of retarded leftists can't even killtheir intended victims with a decent pipe bomb - they only killed themselves.
I haven't paid much attention to Joe the Plumber, but he looked pretty solid in the video I saw, as tall as Obambi, but not all sissied like Barry. I think he'll be just fine. Democrats can't fight, they just paint your car or slash the tires. Fucking Queers.
As for this unnamed mole from the Weather Underground, maybe he'll need to keep a few pipe bombs in his car for protection. Go ahead, dude. For the revolution.
Posted by: Geronimo at October 16, 2008 09:34 PM (8DbK4)
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There a lot of people out there who could not withstand media scrutiny. Not because they are dishonest or are bad but because of the viciousness of the character attacks and the fact that they will never be exonerated by the msm. Sixty years after the fact, people who came forward about communism are still be trashed.
Posted by: Thomas Dewey '48 at October 16, 2008 09:35 PM (MKM35)
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Hey, just an afterthought, Ace. How about you run with the story, and then publish the names and home addresses of everyone involved in Politico, and the names and addresses of their girlfriends boyfriends and their grandmothers.
Call it insurance.
Call it insurance.
Posted by: Geronimo at October 16, 2008 09:38 PM (8DbK4)
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So Ace, where's the click link we can all send Joe a few bucks in compensation for the hassles he's getting for sticking his neck out to take on Obama and the PRESSSSSSident?
Who knows, if the fund catches on there's reward for hassling the One, there might be more great BubbaScatHitFanology for us all to study...
Who knows, if the fund catches on there's reward for hassling the One, there might be more great BubbaScatHitFanology for us all to study...
Posted by: Dr Fred at October 16, 2008 09:38 PM (JbxXM)
Posted by: Beam Me Up Scotty at October 16, 2008 09:38 PM (DZO/4)
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100 You got two sources, babe?
I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't.
I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't.
Posted by: Geronimo at October 16, 2008 09:39 PM (8DbK4)
100
Hey Ace, I know you and the staff can read my e-mail address, so shoot
me a line if you need a good place to hide a witness, like way up a
back road near the 101st Airborne's home base on a block full of
gun-owning combat vets. Let some of the Obama freaks come out to this
neighborhood and fuck around.
SGT Dan, you in the 101st? I was in A co. 2/327, '95-97.
me a line if you need a good place to hide a witness, like way up a
back road near the 101st Airborne's home base on a block full of
gun-owning combat vets. Let some of the Obama freaks come out to this
neighborhood and fuck around.
SGT Dan, you in the 101st? I was in A co. 2/327, '95-97.
Posted by: HHKirst at October 16, 2008 09:43 PM (z/ISu)
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You got two sources, babe?I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't.
Geronimo at October 16, 2008 09:39 PM (8DbK4)
I know it's accurate because I have confirmed the details with someone who does have the story. Two someones, actually.Posted by: ace at October 16, 2008 08:43 PM (1WR4H)
Post the Fucker. Run with it like Forrest Gump for the Crimson Tide.
Geronimo at October 16, 2008 09:39 PM (8DbK4)
I know it's accurate because I have confirmed the details with someone who does have the story. Two someones, actually.Posted by: ace at October 16, 2008 08:43 PM (1WR4H)
Post the Fucker. Run with it like Forrest Gump for the Crimson Tide.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 16, 2008 09:52 PM (r+7hM)
102
Well it doesn't undermine national security so anonymity is not allowed.
Posted by: Mark at October 16, 2008 09:53 PM (ig4x2)
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Dude, print the story. Once it's out there, other sources will verify it.
Posted by: Mark at October 16, 2008 09:54 PM (nAu6v)
Posted by: Amused Observer at October 16, 2008 09:58 PM (Z1++R)
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I know you guys mean well but I think Ace knows what he's doing. Cut him some slack.
Posted by: mcg at October 16, 2008 09:59 PM (ejhPJ)
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#108, Kirst, damn right. 3/502 over in 2nd Brigade. Actually 1/75 Cavalry now with the reflagging, but it's 3/502 to me. Sept. 2000 to the present.
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 16, 2008 10:02 PM (oN/VZ)
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I'm a middle-aged woman and If I had damaging information that could save this country from Obama's socialism I wouldn't hesitate to go on the record.Ruin my life if they must but some things are just more important and if Obama gets elected no one will ever have thechance to speak out again.
Posted by: Whippet at October 16, 2008 10:02 PM (B5ASE)
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Dear Anonymous,
We are all called on to do something important in life.
Right now, we've got a problem. There's someone who is on course to be President, riding high in the polls, and he really should not be President. The key reason is dishonesty.
Barack is not an honest man. You know that. The closest observers of the man all know that. He lied, absolutely baldfaced, and absolutely coolly, and calmly, about his political career starting in Ayers's living room, in the debate last night. He lied on national television. He lied without blinking an eye, or any visible effect. He is perfect liar.
Regardless of what the policies are or aren't, a President who lies so casually, about anything, and so effectively, must not become President.
You have a duty to go forward.
You can best protect yourself by being absolutely honest. You can keep a log of any kind of backlash you get, and regularly share that with the media.
Just be perfectly honest. Tell your story. It matters. It really does. It is important that the truth comes out about Barack Obama. It matters greatly to the future of this country, and of the world.
Thank you, from a fellow American.
We are all called on to do something important in life.
Right now, we've got a problem. There's someone who is on course to be President, riding high in the polls, and he really should not be President. The key reason is dishonesty.
Barack is not an honest man. You know that. The closest observers of the man all know that. He lied, absolutely baldfaced, and absolutely coolly, and calmly, about his political career starting in Ayers's living room, in the debate last night. He lied on national television. He lied without blinking an eye, or any visible effect. He is perfect liar.
Regardless of what the policies are or aren't, a President who lies so casually, about anything, and so effectively, must not become President.
You have a duty to go forward.
You can best protect yourself by being absolutely honest. You can keep a log of any kind of backlash you get, and regularly share that with the media.
Just be perfectly honest. Tell your story. It matters. It really does. It is important that the truth comes out about Barack Obama. It matters greatly to the future of this country, and of the world.
Thank you, from a fellow American.
Posted by: Indythinker at October 16, 2008 10:04 PM (xtj/V)
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No shit, Ace!
Somebody, somewhere needs to get a fund going to protect the people who can speak out and protect this country. I lost my job 2 months ago and my IRA is rapidly turning into a steaming pile of shit on the sidewalk, but I would absolutely send money for this.
Make no mistake about it, fellow morons. WE ARE AT WAR!
Somebody, somewhere needs to get a fund going to protect the people who can speak out and protect this country. I lost my job 2 months ago and my IRA is rapidly turning into a steaming pile of shit on the sidewalk, but I would absolutely send money for this.
Make no mistake about it, fellow morons. WE ARE AT WAR!
Posted by: CB at October 16, 2008 10:06 PM (9Wv2j)
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Hey look - an Ayres - Acorn connection. I'm shocked.
Posted by: Harry Callahan at October 16, 2008 10:06 PM (Gd85U)
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3/502 over in 2nd Brigade. Actually 1/75 Cavalry now with the reflagging, but it's 3/502 to me. Sept. 2000 to the present.
All my friends from Korea were sent to the 502nd when we PCS'd, and I was the only one sent to 327th. I tried to get reassigned, but no luck. I do miss it though.
All my friends from Korea were sent to the 502nd when we PCS'd, and I was the only one sent to 327th. I tried to get reassigned, but no luck. I do miss it though.
Posted by: HHKirst at October 16, 2008 10:10 PM (z/ISu)
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Haahden the fuck up!
Posted by: Chopper at October 16, 2008 10:12 PM (hCSTJ)
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If it's the babysitting thing, and you have the goods, it's already getting out. Run it.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 16, 2008 10:17 PM (r+7hM)
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Me and others I know are willing to support this witness with 24/h security protection if contact can be made. We'd like an NDA prior to transfer of funds and interview complete by October 31.
Posted by: AGR at October 16, 2008 10:18 PM (r8a5Z)
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I don't understand why Ace won't say whether Politico actually knows the identity of the source.
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 10:19 PM (7sl9X)
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If Politico breaks this story AFTER the election, they better have bodyguards because we will all be after them.
Posted by: kimberly at October 16, 2008 10:29 PM (Rpam5)
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And if its just the babysitting thing, why are you sitting on it?
That's not foul enough a rumor, to hold back, it's just another brick in the wall of story anyway.
It doesn't tie in the book, or Columbia Days, or anything. It's just they are closer that O allowed, in latter days.
That's not foul enough a rumor, to hold back, it's just another brick in the wall of story anyway.
It doesn't tie in the book, or Columbia Days, or anything. It's just they are closer that O allowed, in latter days.
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 10:30 PM (7sl9X)
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Its not really worth pitchforking Politico, I don't think, if it's just babysitting.
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 10:32 PM (7sl9X)
119
So Politico is hoping to get a source to go on the record so Politico canscore a huge story but their source is nervous about the consequences. So another average "Joe" askes a question and the very organization working so hard to get the story of the year blasts the average "Joe" for having the nerve to ask a question...and you think Politico is taking this"breaking" story seriously, how? In my opinion they're doing their best to scare their source off. Wouldn't want to damage "The One" you know...
Posted by: Whippet at October 16, 2008 10:34 PM (B5ASE)
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Those of you who say you would not hesitate coming forward have no idea what it is like to be under this type of attack. Friends will drop you or stab you in the back. Don't say they won't because unless they've been through a test, you don't know what they will do or not do for you.
Posted by: Thomas Dewey '48 at October 16, 2008 10:37 PM (MKM35)
121
This story's been around for a long time, since summertime.
I don't understand the reluctance to report the rumor, seems like I've read it everywhere but here.
I don't understand the reluctance to report the rumor, seems like I've read it everywhere but here.
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 10:38 PM (7sl9X)
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I mean, it adds sauce if the person who observed it comes out in the open. But does't all of America understand the Ayers and O's had a cordial relationship and lived in the same neighborhood?
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 10:40 PM (7sl9X)
123
And that O tried to downplay it? I guess it would soften up for a BIG blow, about the book, or about Columbia.
Posted by: SarahW at October 16, 2008 10:42 PM (7sl9X)
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There was a story in the Chicago Tribune - Ithink in April by Trevor Jenson that quoted a neighbor of Obama's in Hyde Park saying they Ayer's were part of their social circle.
Posted by: ethel at October 16, 2008 10:48 PM (N9o8O)
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Sorry, friends dropping me or stabbing me in the back is nothing compared to the freedoms that would be destroyed for my children, my family and innocent people everywhere. And freedoms will be the smallest losses. Imagine the future if you can... What would the Middle East look like under Obama? Where would Israel be? Iraq? This isn't just an America changing election. This is a World changing event. If I was the one person who could help to avoid the disaster that will come if Obama iselected I couldn't justify NOT coming forward. Besides, if the Obama campaign has any wiff about this story andthey probablydo if Politico has it, I would think this person would be safer going public. I would think if Obama's campaign has suspicions about who this person could be they would go to great links to keephim/her quiet. Harder to do once they've gone on the record.
Posted by: Whippet at October 16, 2008 10:51 PM (B5ASE)
126
Why not tell us, Ace? Puhleeze.
Posted by: adam at October 16, 2008 10:55 PM (Ignmb)
127
Maybe she knows something:
Obama and his wife 'are part of our neighborhood and part of our social circle,' said Elizabeth Chandler, a neighbor of Ayers'." (Trevor Jensen, Robert Mitchum and Mary Owen, "Bill Ayers' Turbulent Past Contrasts With Quiet Academ ic Life," Chicago Tribune, 4/17/0
Obama and his wife 'are part of our neighborhood and part of our social circle,' said Elizabeth Chandler, a neighbor of Ayers'." (Trevor Jensen, Robert Mitchum and Mary Owen, "Bill Ayers' Turbulent Past Contrasts With Quiet Academ ic Life," Chicago Tribune, 4/17/0
Posted by: kimberly at October 16, 2008 10:56 PM (Rpam5)
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#85 is right. Greta Van Susteren is trying to make a connection and has asked for help. She has people hide their identity before on her show before.
1. The Secretary of State of Ohio Jennifer Brunner filed a request
in the Supreme Court relating to the underlying claim in her state that
there has been voter registration fraud…with ties to the work of ACORN
in registering voters.
2. A group — the Service Employees International Union [SEIU] —
filed an amicus brief in the United States Supreme Court asking the
Supreme Court to rule with the Secretary of State of Ohio (and
essentially asking for a ruling that would be favorable to ACORN in
that it would “call off the dogs.”)
3. I thought it curious that SEIU would file an amicus brief for
Brunner and did some quick research …and now I need more indepth
research (which is where YOU come in.) According to my quick
research..the same person who started ACORN, started SIEU. His name is Wade Rathke. So then I wondered, who is Wade Rathke?
4. I did some really quick research and learned that Rathke was a
member of the anti war group SDS. This is where YOU come in again. If
you know 60’s history, you know that the Weather Underground was an
offshoot of SDS. There was some disagreement in the late 60’s and
members of the SDS - Bill Ayers and his wife - left and formed/ joined
the Weather Underground.
So now I am wondering: do Rathke and Ayers know each other (from SDS
/ Weather Underground days)? what is the connection now, if any,
between them? between ACORN and SEIU? between them and Senator Obama?
There may be absolutely NO connection…but we should at least take a
look at it. If there is none, we should make that known. Senator
Obama should not have to fight the viral nature of rumors. If there is
a connection or relation, it might be of some further interest that is
worth more investigation. And it may turn out, if there is a
connection, that the connection is of no moment…but we should at least
see what the facts are and then reach our individual conclusions.
So there is your assigment….get looking!!http://tinyurl.com/48ueq3
1. The Secretary of State of Ohio Jennifer Brunner filed a request
in the Supreme Court relating to the underlying claim in her state that
there has been voter registration fraud…with ties to the work of ACORN
in registering voters.
2. A group — the Service Employees International Union [SEIU] —
filed an amicus brief in the United States Supreme Court asking the
Supreme Court to rule with the Secretary of State of Ohio (and
essentially asking for a ruling that would be favorable to ACORN in
that it would “call off the dogs.”)
3. I thought it curious that SEIU would file an amicus brief for
Brunner and did some quick research …and now I need more indepth
research (which is where YOU come in.) According to my quick
research..the same person who started ACORN, started SIEU. His name is Wade Rathke. So then I wondered, who is Wade Rathke?
4. I did some really quick research and learned that Rathke was a
member of the anti war group SDS. This is where YOU come in again. If
you know 60’s history, you know that the Weather Underground was an
offshoot of SDS. There was some disagreement in the late 60’s and
members of the SDS - Bill Ayers and his wife - left and formed/ joined
the Weather Underground.
So now I am wondering: do Rathke and Ayers know each other (from SDS
/ Weather Underground days)? what is the connection now, if any,
between them? between ACORN and SEIU? between them and Senator Obama?
There may be absolutely NO connection…but we should at least take a
look at it. If there is none, we should make that known. Senator
Obama should not have to fight the viral nature of rumors. If there is
a connection or relation, it might be of some further interest that is
worth more investigation. And it may turn out, if there is a
connection, that the connection is of no moment…but we should at least
see what the facts are and then reach our individual conclusions.
So there is your assigment….get looking!!http://tinyurl.com/48ueq3
Posted by: SH at October 16, 2008 10:57 PM (arAyy)
129
Ace, you're a decent person..but we're dealing with left-wing/Marxist/thug/Communistscum! The rules of decency do not apply. Please find an outlet...any outlet for this story--verified or not.
And it's perfectly understandable why the source is terrified...Not everyone' is a war hero like McCain.
So please...listen to your devoted fans. The storymust get out, but it doesn't have to appear here..just get it out there..somewhere and we shall find it.
In the meantime, can we guess what the story is while we awaityour decision?
Perhaps we can vote on the best story? The winner receives dinner for two in Kenya...or something.
And it's perfectly understandable why the source is terrified...Not everyone' is a war hero like McCain.
So please...listen to your devoted fans. The storymust get out, but it doesn't have to appear here..just get it out there..somewhere and we shall find it.
In the meantime, can we guess what the story is while we awaityour decision?
Perhaps we can vote on the best story? The winner receives dinner for two in Kenya...or something.
Posted by: maria at October 16, 2008 11:04 PM (NS81T)
Posted by: Matt at October 16, 2008 11:04 PM (LqpIA)
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Politico, picking up where AP left off.
I was hoping that Politico would be better. More chicken$hit attacks on conservatives. Nothing against liberals.
POS Politico
I was hoping that Politico would be better. More chicken$hit attacks on conservatives. Nothing against liberals.
POS Politico
Posted by: JoeS at October 16, 2008 11:08 PM (GSm3K)
132
Whatever it is, it's true. I'll be your second source.
Posted by: texette at October 16, 2008 11:13 PM (ySPQ8)
133
Why is that so hush-hush? It has already been reported somewhere and no one cared.
Posted by: Sue at October 16, 2008 11:16 PM (+osns)
134
Matt - have a feeling that's either the person or wouldn't be a willing participant.
Posted by: Editor at October 16, 2008 11:16 PM (p4YSL)
135
This source needs to very clearly understand the following:
In a McCain presidency, the source may be disparaged in the next few months and abused, but he benefits from the rule of law and its protections.
In an Obama presidency, he is dead. Those who know what sins the Leader has committed will be erased.
Think I'm exaggerating? Spend several years in Germany studying the ascent of the Third Reich. Evaluate Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot and numerous other disciples of the totalitarian theory, evaluate their behavior when they had not yet ascended into power and evaluate the deltas between that and Obama's ACORN squads. This isn't a false alarm. You have a national crisis (sub-prime meltdown, $10+ trillion in debt, and debtors that are prepared to yank the credit), a unified Congress and Obama presidential ascent, weak states, a split Court and a large business base that is now owned by the left due to its addiction to credit and the credit-controlling government (via ownership of the banks).
Even a "light" dose of this means your Leader Obama will have the capacity to silence his enemies. But once you understand how Leader Obama has erased 15 years of his history, you'll realize he wishes to keep that silent. The "source" here must decide now: speak, take your lumps in a mostly open society and keep your family alive, or keep silent and empower He who shall remove all traces.
In a McCain presidency, the source may be disparaged in the next few months and abused, but he benefits from the rule of law and its protections.
In an Obama presidency, he is dead. Those who know what sins the Leader has committed will be erased.
Think I'm exaggerating? Spend several years in Germany studying the ascent of the Third Reich. Evaluate Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot and numerous other disciples of the totalitarian theory, evaluate their behavior when they had not yet ascended into power and evaluate the deltas between that and Obama's ACORN squads. This isn't a false alarm. You have a national crisis (sub-prime meltdown, $10+ trillion in debt, and debtors that are prepared to yank the credit), a unified Congress and Obama presidential ascent, weak states, a split Court and a large business base that is now owned by the left due to its addiction to credit and the credit-controlling government (via ownership of the banks).
Even a "light" dose of this means your Leader Obama will have the capacity to silence his enemies. But once you understand how Leader Obama has erased 15 years of his history, you'll realize he wishes to keep that silent. The "source" here must decide now: speak, take your lumps in a mostly open society and keep your family alive, or keep silent and empower He who shall remove all traces.
Posted by: redherkey at October 16, 2008 11:17 PM (kjqFg)
136
Ayers the babysitter is not much of a story. Obama will just say, "This proves I thought he was a good guy. I didn't know about his past."
Something to do with sex would bebetter.
Something to do with sex would bebetter.
Posted by: adam at October 16, 2008 11:21 PM (Ignmb)
137
If it is the babysitting story, I don't think it will matter to anyone already for Obama and the muddle can't hear anything but tax the rich give to the poor.
Posted by: Sue at October 16, 2008 11:23 PM (+osns)
138
19 days to go and all I am hearing here is a chicken shit beta male excuse... I have seen this story here before with all the mystery Ooooo I cant tell you my source BS but I'll give you a clue. I support McCain and Palin because they have enough balls to stand up and fight for this country. FOR GOD SAKES MAN GROW A PAIR!
Posted by: Lewis at October 16, 2008 11:23 PM (RMZaj)
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Ayers the babysitter is not much of a story.
Obama will just say, "This proves I thought he was a good guy. I
didn't know about his past."
Something to do with sex would bebetter.
Posted by: adam at October 16, 2008 11:21 PM (Ignmb)
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Either you're really dumb or an axeltufer or both.
Obama will just say, "This proves I thought he was a good guy. I
didn't know about his past."
Something to do with sex would bebetter.
Posted by: adam at October 16, 2008 11:21 PM (Ignmb)
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Either you're really dumb or an axeltufer or both.
Posted by: Editor at October 16, 2008 11:24 PM (p4YSL)
140
I'm telling you all again --- Ayers is pointless now and a losing issue. To most voters, they heard "something" about it, but Obama explained that, didn't he? That means it's settled to them. Anything else about it now will just be seen as whining by McCain. I shit you not.
For something like that to work, you have to make you case behind the scenes, full up, and bring it out at once for maximum impact. None of this trickle trickle half-mention bullshit.
I'm glad I've kept anonymous here, though, because clearly the O's friends will be gunning for anyone who tells "lies" about him. Don't you know that lies hurt everyone? Everyone! We can't let that happen, can we?
For something like that to work, you have to make you case behind the scenes, full up, and bring it out at once for maximum impact. None of this trickle trickle half-mention bullshit.
I'm glad I've kept anonymous here, though, because clearly the O's friends will be gunning for anyone who tells "lies" about him. Don't you know that lies hurt everyone? Everyone! We can't let that happen, can we?
Posted by: mr.frakypants at October 16, 2008 11:27 PM (pffBj)
141
I'm not thekneel at the edge of the trench quietly kind of guy. At the least I'm going to make them shoot meface on.
The source needs to step up and do it fora gratefulcountry.
The source needs to step up and do it fora gratefulcountry.
Posted by: SamIam at October 16, 2008 11:28 PM (jl7C/)
142
Editor: why am I really dumb? I'm a McCain/Palin supporter. I'm just saying that Obama will manage a return-of-serve on the babysitter story. Going to have to be something more than that.
Posted by: adam at October 16, 2008 11:29 PM (Ignmb)
143
When I get bored, I take a dump on a piece of Saran Wrap and wind it around my head.
Posted by: Diderot's dog at October 16, 2008 11:29 PM (nrD02)
144
They're willing to endlessly vet anyone who even asks Barack Obama a question, but not Barack Obama himself.
He can alsos name himself 'Anonymous Member of the Administration'. I see that guy's name in the papers all the time.
He can alsos name himself 'Anonymous Member of the Administration'. I see that guy's name in the papers all the time.
Posted by: Fred Fry at October 16, 2008 11:29 PM (nkGZE)
145
I'm buttfucking my cat as I'm typing this.
Posted by: Diderot's dog at October 16, 2008 11:31 PM (nrD02)
146
Ben Smith claims ignorance. This is just some silly attempt to get our hopes up.
Posted by: adam at October 16, 2008 11:32 PM (Ignmb)
147
At the risk of being pilloried, could someone explain exactly why it's somewhat fashionable amongst the retard set to tee off on Ace?
I've been reading the guy for years. He's on the team. He's on the team and he's constantly been blaring from a megaphone what I've been muttering under my breath.
Shit, I could say the same for half the commenters here. There are long term commenters here I trust more than half the people on TV.
Someone has to call bullshit. I'm calling it. If you want to nitpick a minor point, fine. If you want to do that while disrespecting a proven friend, fuck off.
I've been reading the guy for years. He's on the team. He's on the team and he's constantly been blaring from a megaphone what I've been muttering under my breath.
Shit, I could say the same for half the commenters here. There are long term commenters here I trust more than half the people on TV.
Someone has to call bullshit. I'm calling it. If you want to nitpick a minor point, fine. If you want to do that while disrespecting a proven friend, fuck off.
Posted by: counter at October 16, 2008 11:34 PM (8/0ME)
Posted by: MayBee at October 17, 2008 12:02 AM (lAE3K)
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Something to do with sex would bebetter.
Been there, done that. Instead of t-shirt, I got an impeachment. YMMV.
Been there, done that. Instead of t-shirt, I got an impeachment. YMMV.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 17, 2008 12:03 AM (iYguc)
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I will respect Ace with whatever he decides to do. Period.
Posted by: kimberly at October 17, 2008 12:17 AM (Rpam5)
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Look, it's pretty much a fact that all of us male Obama supporters love the cock.
There's a place down the street from me where I can get slapped with 7 inches of limp, uncut cock for $4 per slap. If McSame gets elected, how can I be assured that he won't take this right away from me?
There's a place down the street from me where I can get slapped with 7 inches of limp, uncut cock for $4 per slap. If McSame gets elected, how can I be assured that he won't take this right away from me?
Posted by: Nylund at October 17, 2008 12:20 AM (noVQk)
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 12:27 AM (8/0ME)
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 12:30 AM (8/0ME)
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Interesting stuff. I'm with some of the other commenters that if this is only about a baby sitting thing, not sure it moves the needle in a meaningful way. The guy went on national television last night and said he DID NOT launch his political career in Ayers' livingroom. If there was any coverage (MSM) of the lie I missed it.
I can totally understand the source not wanting to be identified, especially if he/she lives in Chicago. Probably has kids too. No way, Jose. Not worth it. Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger and screwey Louie all draw large, very large, crowds in that town. You might even get the impression that somein thosecrowds are a little bent.I knowI've just commited a thought/hate crime by saying that but they haven't taken over yet, although I'm sure the recriminations and prosecutions will be retroactive.
I can totally understand the source not wanting to be identified, especially if he/she lives in Chicago. Probably has kids too. No way, Jose. Not worth it. Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger and screwey Louie all draw large, very large, crowds in that town. You might even get the impression that somein thosecrowds are a little bent.I knowI've just commited a thought/hate crime by saying that but they haven't taken over yet, although I'm sure the recriminations and prosecutions will be retroactive.
Posted by: Chris at October 17, 2008 12:36 AM (cqCak)
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Ace, Gateway Pundit reported on it, sort of.
I suppose you've probably already seen that.
He based his update on that comment from Just One Minute.
I suppose you've probably already seen that.
He based his update on that comment from Just One Minute.
Posted by: Nice Deb at October 17, 2008 12:37 AM (9Ghzz)
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Ace ... Are you looking for people who live in the neighborhood to collaborate on the story or ?
Posted by: kimberly at October 17, 2008 12:40 AM (Rpam5)
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I think this story would help expose what a liar Obama is, because people would be able to grasp that they were a little closer than Obama has been letting on. You don't let just a casual acquaintance babysit your kids.
Posted by: Nice Deb at October 17, 2008 12:41 AM (9Ghzz)
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Don't forget about the gay men from Obama's church who mysteriously died ... some people will do ANYTHING to get into the White House.
Posted by: kimberly at October 17, 2008 12:42 AM (Rpam5)
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a commenter on just one minute being mentioned on gateway pundit isn't
the same as a living source telling the story to a major news agency.
I know, I know.
the same as a living source telling the story to a major news agency.
I know, I know.
Posted by: Nice Deb at October 17, 2008 12:42 AM (9Ghzz)
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email me.
Posted by: kimberly at October 17, 2008 12:44 AM (Rpam5)
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whats your email addy ...
Posted by: kimberly at October 17, 2008 12:46 AM (Rpam5)
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could someone explain exactly why it's somewhat fashionable amongst the retard set to tee off on Ace?
Because a lot of mediocre people see tearing down a popular person as a conduit to their own personal 15 minutes of fame, that's why.
For some, it's the only way they'll ever stand out from the crowd.
Because a lot of mediocre people see tearing down a popular person as a conduit to their own personal 15 minutes of fame, that's why.
For some, it's the only way they'll ever stand out from the crowd.
Posted by: Warden at October 17, 2008 12:47 AM (KXbGD)
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I think some people either have an insatiable appetite for gossip or they're hoping for a sensational story to bring down the teflon candidate. More of the latter probably ...
Posted by: kimberly at October 17, 2008 12:51 AM (Rpam5)
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Warden, for what it's worth, you're one of those long-term commenters I've come to trust.
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 12:53 AM (8/0ME)
Posted by: Warden at October 17, 2008 12:56 AM (KXbGD)
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One other thing, counter, and I've been meaning to ask ace if I can do a guest post on this .....
As individuals, it's easy to feel helpless against the endless media propaganda that we experience every day.
But we do have influence.
Every day, with every word and action, we influence those around us.
God gives us the means, individually, to shape our world. It's up to us to tap into our strengths in order to do it.
This blog had 100,000 unique hits in a week. Think about that. Simply typing a well reasoned thought or funny line into a comment box may very well influence someone's thinking. That's a powerful thing. And something to be celebrated.
As individuals, it's easy to feel helpless against the endless media propaganda that we experience every day.
But we do have influence.
Every day, with every word and action, we influence those around us.
God gives us the means, individually, to shape our world. It's up to us to tap into our strengths in order to do it.
This blog had 100,000 unique hits in a week. Think about that. Simply typing a well reasoned thought or funny line into a comment box may very well influence someone's thinking. That's a powerful thing. And something to be celebrated.
Posted by: Warden at October 17, 2008 01:02 AM (KXbGD)
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Warden, he's a damn hippy, but that thought of yours is one reason I get a kick out of Pynchon.
Another reason is that I like banana pancakes.
Another reason is that I like banana pancakes.
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 01:06 AM (8/0ME)
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You need to do some open blogs, Warden. I'm pretty sure I for one would enjoy them.
Posted by: Nice Deb at October 17, 2008 01:14 AM (9Ghzz)
Posted by: Warden at October 17, 2008 01:14 AM (KXbGD)
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http://teaching.uchicago.edu/aboutus.html
Posted by: ethel at October 17, 2008 01:19 AM (ACJHd)
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Warden, it's definitely worth it. People say his work is overly complex but he's far more accessible than Joyce. By a factor of about 30.
Good fun, too. You don't have to read it in a week.
Good fun, too. You don't have to read it in a week.
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 01:22 AM (8/0ME)
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So, put up a pre-emptive legal defense fund for the contact.
Posted by: Nemo at October 17, 2008 01:23 AM (mMkcF)
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ethel ... that's what I found too! Wasn't sure to post it because I didn't want nutjobs to contact her.
Posted by: kimberly at October 17, 2008 01:26 AM (Rpam5)
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wait i'm confused. didn't mac say last night that he didn't care about a washed up terrist like ayers? shouldn't we be worrying about real problems?
Posted by: badtimecoming at October 17, 2008 01:39 AM (WPECj)
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Does politico know who the source is?
Posted by: SarahW at October 17, 2008 01:46 AM (7sl9X)
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SarahW, #128 sounds like a yes. I'm not sure there is such a thing as an actual anonymous source anyways. Tip yes, source no.
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 01:57 AM (8/0ME)
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Kimberly - I bet she is more than neighbors with Ayers - looks like they may have a working relationship too.
Posted by: ethel at October 17, 2008 01:59 AM (ACJHd)
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I think its a great story for softening up folks for evidence of a much earlier close relationship,, because it solidifies existing understanding that O over-downplayed his warm relations with the Ayers.
But isn't it semi-sort of common knowlege that O did this? There is that news report with Elizabeth Chandler making plain the social set of the neighborhood included the Obamas AND the Ayers. There have been statements that the press has known of closer friendship than was earlier acknowleged.
But in the present day.
Isn't he key thing with Ayers/Dohrn is to show how influential their radical agenda has been on O, or how much he carries water for it?
Babysitting helps, but its explainable as "friendly aquaintance
But isn't it semi-sort of common knowlege that O did this? There is that news report with Elizabeth Chandler making plain the social set of the neighborhood included the Obamas AND the Ayers. There have been statements that the press has known of closer friendship than was earlier acknowleged.
But in the present day.
Isn't he key thing with Ayers/Dohrn is to show how influential their radical agenda has been on O, or how much he carries water for it?
Babysitting helps, but its explainable as "friendly aquaintance
Posted by: SarahW at October 17, 2008 02:00 AM (7sl9X)
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Oh, I"m sorry, I see Ace answered me very thoughtfully at 124, &c
Posted by: SarahW at October 17, 2008 02:03 AM (7sl9X)
Posted by: Nice Deb at October 17, 2008 02:04 AM (9Ghzz)
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SarahW, sounds like a pretty good line to me. "Senator Obama didn't even admit he was friends with an unrepentant terrorist. It's worse. Much worse. You folks out there in Peoria, ever had a couple terrorists babysitting your kids?"
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 02:05 AM (8/0ME)
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It's late, I'm fragged. Thanks for chasing the story, Ace.
Posted by: SarahW at October 17, 2008 02:06 AM (7sl9X)
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OK, honestly, I totally disagree with everything you say, stand for, believe in, wish for, think tastes good, etc. etc. etc. But I do have to point out that there is absolutely no journalistic rule still being followed that disallows anonymous sources. Read any major paper that still does original reporting (I have my favorites, I'm sure you have yours they're not the same), and you will see page after page of "Sources inside the Administration say...", "An source who would speak only on condition of anonymity said...", "A former congressional staffer said...", and on and on. It seems to be the rule now, rather than the exception.
I hate to burst your bubble, but I don't believe for an instant that as low-rent a publication (is it still a publication if it's only on the Web?) as Politico wouldn't grant anonymity to a source if it thought it would get a few extra page hits. More likely is that the source's information is so feeble that Drudge won't even print it.
I hate to burst your bubble, but I don't believe for an instant that as low-rent a publication (is it still a publication if it's only on the Web?) as Politico wouldn't grant anonymity to a source if it thought it would get a few extra page hits. More likely is that the source's information is so feeble that Drudge won't even print it.
Posted by: SJohn at October 17, 2008 02:08 AM (N+dqs)
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Ace, you are a goddamn bastard and I hate both your guts and your innards.
Anyways. Who here is into Spinoza?
Anyways. Who here is into Spinoza?
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 02:12 AM (8/0ME)
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I'm kinda curious though. What's so boring about Gravity's Rainbow, jokes abound.
I was forced to read many books more boring. It's why I mentioned Joyce. I don't have the slightest idea with Ulysses nor was I actually able to make it through.
I was forced to read many books more boring. It's why I mentioned Joyce. I don't have the slightest idea with Ulysses nor was I actually able to make it through.
Posted by: counter at October 17, 2008 02:15 AM (8/0ME)
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What's more important? The future of your country or your life?
Now's your chance to make the decision faced by members of the military everyday.
Run it.
Now's your chance to make the decision faced by members of the military everyday.
Run it.
Posted by: Nabakov at October 17, 2008 02:39 AM (y5Xtd)
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This blog had 100,000 unique hits in a week. Think about that. Simply typing a well reasoned thought or funny line into a comment box may very well influence someone's thinking. That's a powerful thing. And something to be celebrated.
Cocksucker.
Not you, for the word count, I mean.
Cocksucker.
Not you, for the word count, I mean.
Posted by: blaster at October 17, 2008 05:48 AM (BiphJ)
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I feel dumber for having read this thread. Ayers' wife babysat Odumbo's kids, whoop-dee-do. The MSM will not run anything negative on Obama, and the public seems to not care one whit about any of the Chicago crowd. So quit acting like you've got the Watergate secrets here, it's annoying.
Now, you have something on ACORN, that's different.
Obama's plan to throw Israel to the wolves? Again, that's different.
A video of Obama having sex with a dead woman or a live boy? That might be rather important.
But the babysitter thing, that dog don't hunt.
BTW, Mac was terrific at the Smith dinner, the speechwriter did a boffo job but Mac's delivery was the key. Fantastic.
Now, you have something on ACORN, that's different.
Obama's plan to throw Israel to the wolves? Again, that's different.
A video of Obama having sex with a dead woman or a live boy? That might be rather important.
But the babysitter thing, that dog don't hunt.
BTW, Mac was terrific at the Smith dinner, the speechwriter did a boffo job but Mac's delivery was the key. Fantastic.
Posted by: SarahGroupie at October 17, 2008 06:16 AM (0kuD5)
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We probably should start our own Weather Underground and perhaps call it Moron Underground and blow up MSM outlets. If we copy Bill Ayers style to a tee, should not have to worry about any blowback and then when the statute of limitations expire, we all get jobs at universities and cozy up to some young dude that will be the next President and all will be better right?
Posted by: CDR M at October 17, 2008 06:57 AM (y67bA)
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Cmon now, I am all for all the dirt one can dig up on Obama, but this rumors of rumors of rumors is silly.
And if there are no videos or photos, no one is going to believe any one. It is somebody's word against another.
They would have to have a photo(s) or video of either:
1) Ayers writing the final draft of Obama's books,
or
2) Ayers and Obama reading quotes from Karl Marx books and discussing how the US would be better off as a socialist country;
or
3) Ayers, Rev. Wright and Obama singing "Godxxxn the US of AmeriKKKa"
in 3-part harmony
or
4) Ayers and Michelle Obama mud wrestling on the US flag
before it would have any impact on this election.
And if there are no videos or photos, no one is going to believe any one. It is somebody's word against another.
They would have to have a photo(s) or video of either:
1) Ayers writing the final draft of Obama's books,
or
2) Ayers and Obama reading quotes from Karl Marx books and discussing how the US would be better off as a socialist country;
or
3) Ayers, Rev. Wright and Obama singing "Godxxxn the US of AmeriKKKa"
in 3-part harmony
or
4) Ayers and Michelle Obama mud wrestling on the US flag
before it would have any impact on this election.
Posted by: Tom Scranton at October 17, 2008 10:04 AM (2/WQI)
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Ace,
Sue,If you can show me where this has been "reported,' as
opposed to someone saying it in a blog comment, I'd be grateful. I do
not believe a major reporter at a major news network is chasing an old
story.
Guess I can't do that. I thought it was in a Chicago newspaper, but when I search now all I get is the blog comment.
Sue,If you can show me where this has been "reported,' as
opposed to someone saying it in a blog comment, I'd be grateful. I do
not believe a major reporter at a major news network is chasing an old
story.
Guess I can't do that. I thought it was in a Chicago newspaper, but when I search now all I get is the blog comment.
Posted by: Sue at October 17, 2008 10:18 AM (Jol77)
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Should note that the geoff commenting above is not the geoff that I am and have been for 4+ years.
Posted by: geoff at October 17, 2008 12:53 PM (NU8R3)
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Sue, could you perhaps be thinking of Michelle's babysitting of Jesse Jackson's kids? Because that was in the news.
Posted by: SarahW at October 17, 2008 02:08 PM (7sl9X)
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Ace,
A thought occurred to me while reading the comments (it happens sometimes). Do you think that the hesitation about running a single source and/or anonymous story is not so much partisanship as it is intimidation? The same reason the tipster is hesitant to reveal his identity?
Is it a stretch to wonder just how far Obama's long arm of thuggery reaches? Yes, there are those who are obviously in the tank for O, but 100% of the MSM? Even Fox has been soft, and they made their name being anti-liberal. Who out there has bigger balls than Murdoch? Soros, maybe?
I wonder if the double standard we see regarding the attacks on Bush/Cheney over the past 8 years and the absolute refusal to touch anything remotely negative about Obama has to do not so much with partisanship as it does confidence that Bush wouldn't have them destroyed for not repeating the narrative?
A thought occurred to me while reading the comments (it happens sometimes). Do you think that the hesitation about running a single source and/or anonymous story is not so much partisanship as it is intimidation? The same reason the tipster is hesitant to reveal his identity?
Is it a stretch to wonder just how far Obama's long arm of thuggery reaches? Yes, there are those who are obviously in the tank for O, but 100% of the MSM? Even Fox has been soft, and they made their name being anti-liberal. Who out there has bigger balls than Murdoch? Soros, maybe?
I wonder if the double standard we see regarding the attacks on Bush/Cheney over the past 8 years and the absolute refusal to touch anything remotely negative about Obama has to do not so much with partisanship as it does confidence that Bush wouldn't have them destroyed for not repeating the narrative?
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Posted by: jahxg at October 23, 2008 07:06 AM (wN+zM)
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I think I might be the one who has the other part of the story, but I don't want to give up anonymity unless I know that it's the same story that you have a piece of. I can't afford to "come out" on a story that you don't already have corroborated. Maybe my story is different than yours. I don't know, because you haven't told us what your story is.
What is it?
What is it?
Posted by: El Bruce at October 24, 2008 01:57 AM (we0Bv)
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I'm a conservative who just found this site thinking I could find some like-minded people, but my God, you people aren't conservatives. You are raving lunatics.
Posted by: Conserve at October 24, 2008 01:12 PM (lVlbp)
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You're all a bunch of fucking gullible nutjobs.
I've got a super secret report of my own, about how Ace of Spades is a twisted pedophile, lying douche bag, and how people who read this shit are brain dead morons. But my "anonymous" source doesn't want to go public, and meanwhile Politico and the NYT are sitting on the story! Can you believe that shit?!
Do the country a favor and go and kill yourselves. Real conservative want their party back from the hands of you crazed hate mongers. You want to know why Obama is going to win? Look in the mirror.
I've got a super secret report of my own, about how Ace of Spades is a twisted pedophile, lying douche bag, and how people who read this shit are brain dead morons. But my "anonymous" source doesn't want to go public, and meanwhile Politico and the NYT are sitting on the story! Can you believe that shit?!
Do the country a favor and go and kill yourselves. Real conservative want their party back from the hands of you crazed hate mongers. You want to know why Obama is going to win? Look in the mirror.
Posted by: Free Thinker at October 25, 2008 01:12 PM (81PdH)
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Your headline might've read: "Ayers-Obama Witness Full of Crap." Would've save me a lot of reading.
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