Seb Gorka on the Pseudo-Conservatives
The Bulwark's Latest Declaration of Eternal Conservative Principles: Conservatives Are Ginning Up Fake Fears About Socialism

Blistering.

[The Subsidized Fake Conservatives] moved from gullible conservative donors to taking money from hardcore left-wing billionaires. They rebranded themselves under a new masthead, and as The Bulwark--sounds manly right?--and decided the best thing is to outdo the Daily Beast and Buzzfeed in anti-Trump sentiment. No more pretending to be the heirs of Kirk and Chambers while enjoying tony parties in Adams Morgan with their MSNBC, NPR, and Obama Administration pals. No, they will rebuild America by giving in to their inner Arianna Huffington and unleashing their hidden Glenn Thrush.

Although Iíve been through the wringer, having lived through the consequences of working in the White House and all that entails in terms of media "coverage," the results of their targeting have surprised even me.

Whether it's attacking Salena Zito for not being a "real American" (I guess because her name isnít WASP-y enough), or mocking the appearance of a veteran conservative commentator who just ended chemotherapy, these people who say--and this isn't a put on, they actually had this on their masthead--that they are "Conserving Conservatism" have sunk as low as it is possible to go. Or at least that's what I thought until this week.

...

The day after the outrageous calumny [against Victor Davis Hanson] was dropped, I attended the launch of the good professorís book at the D.C. satellite of his professional home, the Hoover Institution...

At the end of the superb event, the pieces all fell into place. As I said my goodbyes, the gentle professor turned to me and said: "You know, Trump is the one thing standing between them and America going socialist."

As if by prophecy, the next article the Bulwark posted was: "Is Socialism Really that Big of a Threat?"

But Gorsuch.

But the economy.

But the border.

But abortion.

But anti-semitism.

But... capitalism?

The Defenders of Eternal Conservative Principles sure are willing to toss a lot of ancient wood on the bonfire to keep the anti-Trump fires burning.

The Bulwark's article actually says socialism is NBD, really:

But upon closer inspection the right's bashing of socialism rings a little hollow--and not just because of Gorka's bombast. Yes, AOC's proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system.

"Misguided"? And then come the claims that just because she's advocating socialism, it doesn't mean she'll bring about the bad parts of socialism.

Hey, remember when True Conservatives believed that all the parts of socialism were the bad parts of socialism? Now apparently a lot of socialism is good, as long as we stay away from the bad parts, like totalitarianism.

Which, as history tells us, can be easily extracted from socialism, and in fact is successfully extracted from it almost every time it's tried.

That's sarcasm, if I'm not laying it on thick enough. Every socialist says "This time, we'll implement socialism without the show trials, gulags, and political prisons!"

And they tend to be liars on that point.

The left made the same claims about Obama, that he was merely introducing some incremental changes and beginning much-needed discussions, not pushing the country towards socialism.

The Eternal Defenders of Sacred Conservative Doctrine used to dispute the left on that point.

Now they join them in apologetics for socialism.

Well, I'm sure the writers at The Bulwark don't have to worry about show trials -- they've let the left know they are trustworthy and useful allies who, if they are to be eaten at all, should certainly be eaten last.

Update: A friend tells me that the Bulwark Remnant (including the #SalonHot25) has exhausted even the patience of the rest of the NeverTrumpers, who now despise them. Partly maybe for embarrassing them by giving the game away (in as much as the Bulwark guys don't even hide the fact that they're partisan Democrats now), and partly because the Bulwark Remnant is always attacking the regular NeverTrumpers as sell-outs not sufficiently pro-Democrat enough to defeat the Drumpfenkoenig.

Keep on telling us how good you are at politics and the art of persuasion, guys.

I'm going just start calling these guys "The Winners Club," because that's all they do, they win. And they club cancer survivors and pro-lifers.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:07 PM




Comments

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1 What is their point? What are they for?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 19, 2019 03:09 PM (ycWCI)

2 Their appeal seems primarily limited to themselves at this point.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 19, 2019 03:10 PM (ycWCI)

3 NTs are repulsive.

Posted by: IC at March 19, 2019 03:10 PM (a0IVu)

4 I say we tie them to the back of the truck and drag them.

Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2019 03:11 PM (uLuPn)

5 They are for themselves.

Posted by: steevy at March 19, 2019 03:11 PM (BXMxN)

6 Is socialism that big of a threat? Well every single democrat running for President so far has a socialist platform so we will see how that plays in America in November 2020.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 19, 2019 03:12 PM (JUOKG)

7 The judicial appointments alone make me happy I voted for Trump.

He fights. Too bad the cucks at the Bulwark fail to understand that liberals hate them as much as us.

Posted by: Czech Chick at March 19, 2019 03:12 PM (J9wxX)

8 The Bulwark--sounds manly right?-...

Funny, but every time I see "The Bulwark" in print I think of a cartoon moose and his best friend squirrel.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at March 19, 2019 03:13 PM (kUmUV)

9 Early!

Posted by: DaveA at March 19, 2019 03:13 PM (FhXTo)

10 I always thought everybody here was joking about the Bulwark. This is a real thing? That's hilarious.

Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2019 03:13 PM (xqdqQ)

11 Its only capitalism and avoiding death camps.

Posted by: Someguy at March 19, 2019 03:13 PM (dy5uS)

12 Can't believe I had a subscription to The Weekly Standard in college. When my subscription ran out, my grandpa would set them aside and send them home with me. If he were still around, I bet he would have cut up his magazines and sent them back in an envelope.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 19, 2019 03:14 PM (XKZwp)

13 Ha, 9 is pretty good for reading the content and the link.


Pfftt! Why does my cookie taste like cardboard.

Posted by: DaveA at March 19, 2019 03:14 PM (FhXTo)

14 As if by prophecy, the next article the Bulwark posted was: "Is Socialism Really that Big of a Threat?"

Written in the cuckshed while his wife was being roundly rogered by the poolboy.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 19, 2019 03:14 PM (4AeKb)

15 Sucking another guy's cock, does it really make you gay?

Posted by: William Kristol, Esq. at March 19, 2019 03:14 PM (P1AAi)

16 In an earlier age, these people would have been tarred, feathered, and frogmarched out of town.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at March 19, 2019 03:14 PM (J+mig)

17
These never-Trumpers are engaged in the worlds oldest profession.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 19, 2019 03:14 PM (jYje5)

18 Is America finally ready to hear about the positive side of antisemitism?

Please read David Frenchs thoughtful and passionate piece in the Bullwark!

Posted by: Charlie Sykes at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (AaCJy)

19 Is socialism that big of a threat?

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Socialism isn't a threat. It's already here - an active problem. But the inevitable next stage socialism is most certainly a threat.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (sX1BW)

20 I have a bad case of Glenn Thrush in my nethers.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (AzW6q)

21 What is their point? What are they for?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 19, 2019 03:09 PM (ycWCI)

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They are for not wanting to admit they were WRONG and this outsider with new ideas is getting shit accomplished in two years what the mono-partiers could not accomplish in 4 decades.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (8XRCm)

22 Cucks pine for the good ole daze when republicans lost like gentlemen. I'll gladly vote for Trump again, next time around. Worry about massive voter fraud, though.

Posted by: Old Dude at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (LGXGf)

23 "You know, Trump is the one thing standing between them and America going socialist."


And Trump is fast becoming the only thing standing between us and them.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (t6MX/)

24 Just ask the Venezuelans how they like Socialism.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (uDcBt)

25 Whole lotta masks came unglued with the election of DJT. A whole lot

And if DJT does nothing else between now and (oh please please please) January 2025 when he leaves office, I'll be eternally grateful to him for that alone.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (NYS7S)

26 God bless our president for standing between us and Venezuela's fate. The abuse he takes!

Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at March 19, 2019 03:16 PM (JK/Ct)

27 Read that article linked, if you don't mind giving the Bulwark a click. Just another variation of "the wrong people were in charge. THIS time we'll get it right!".

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 03:16 PM (ffYR/)

28 but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system

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Slopes never get slippery.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:16 PM (sX1BW)

29 The Bulwark sounds manly? Uh, no.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 19, 2019 03:16 PM (37IEG)

30 Can we just start calling Bill Kristol Snowball, now.

Because he's no Napolean.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:16 PM (xHsS4)

31 What have Jews really ever do e for the world? I mean, could a billion Muslims (not to mention a hundred million thoughtful Russians) really be so wrong?

Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 19, 2019 03:16 PM (AaCJy)

32 At least the lib/socialists are honest about wanting to destroy the country. These cucks don't even have the integrity to admit to that.

Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (xqdqQ)

33 I like listening to Seb Gorka when I can, escaping from Communists can give you a different view.

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (BbGew)

34 What is their point? What are they for?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 19, 2019 03:09 PM (ycWCI)

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Conquest's first law.

Like Hans Gruber, they are just here for the money.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (sX1BW)

35 Time for a national divorce.

The latest thing is for state legislators to tie their electoral votes to the popular vote thereby disenfranchising their citizens.

Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (uLuPn)

36 Are burly Hispanic MS-13 members really a threat? Only to my cardiovascular health because of the massive boner they give me!

Posted by: William Kristol, Bull Connoisseur at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (oZ6kz)

37 I've been impressed with what I've seen of Gorka on Twitter. He get's a bit part in Timothy Lim's (My Hero MAGAdamia) Space Force comic as well.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (uquGJ)

38 awesome mock, mr. gorka. keep it up.

Posted by: trapper's girl at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (4hfnr)

39 William Kristol was allegedly a stalwart of the conservative intellectual.

Irving Kristol, his father, may have been the original "neo-con". Irving Kristol wrote a rather blistering and wistful book about leaving the Left, called "Former Friends".

And this, is the heritage of the Jewish intellectual in America.

Sometimes a pretend conservative, sometimes a social liberal. Whatever.

This may sound truly anti-semitic to some, but the orientation of the Jewish intellectual in America (and Europe) is to be the cosmopolitan, bigger than a citizen of a country. They look at things as being kind of "one world", perhaps out of the historic fear of the pogrom, and the historic fear of a militant Christian.

Barry Goldwater was ancestrally Jewish, although he was a practicing Episcopalian. Toward the end of his life, with his second wife, he sometimes waxed liberal about certain topics.

Sebastian Gorka has not finished paying for his support of Trump, although he may think he is. And neither has Victor Hanson.
The Soviet - style denunciations will continue and intensify. All the bitter sarcasm in the world will not stop the mewling quims at The Bulwark or The Bulwinkle, or whatever they call it.
William Buckley must be SPINNING in his grave about what has happened to National Review.
Buckley would have held his nose and supported Trump, because he understood at a basic philosophical level, that someone who actually supports Conservatives in deed, is preferable to the oral support by the fakers, who happen to have the right pedigree.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (vcOmj)

40 Bulwarkers of the World, Unite!

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (xHsS4)

41 Are re-education camps bad when you've learned the wrong things?

Posted by: William Kristol, Esq. at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (P1AAi)

42 The Bulwark--sounds manly right?-...

BulWARK? I thought it was the BullDORK.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (6b1dn)

43 My BP monitor just blew up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (ptqGC)

44
8 The Bulwark--sounds manly right?-[\i]

Sure, if Tater Stetler outfitted in leather lanquidly applying a cat-o-nine tails to a trussed up Cap'n Billy and his side kick, Charlie "3 Wives" while bulls service the wives of the entire The Bulwark staff on love seats for an audience as "manly", then Boy! Howdy! you nailed it!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (pNxlR)

45 Only a few years back, who the hell could have imagined that so many "conservatives" would turn out to have been lying closet libs, and that Donald Freakin Trump would be the one who would expose them.

Still makes my head spin.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (4AeKb)

46 It's nice to see someone staunchly defending Salena Zito in print.

Posted by: m at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (ZfNws)

47 Time for a national divorce.

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I'd prefer a national ass-kicking.

Bet on the side with the guns.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (sX1BW)

48 What are they for? They are for social acceptance, fat paychecks, trolling real conservatives, and being on what they believe is the winning side.

Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (Pqytn)

49

Is socialism really that big a threat?

let's ask someone at the holocaust museum shall we?

Posted by: exploding meteor resting its chin on its hand at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (v6eK5)

50 Is the babysitter really a threat to become my fourth wife?

Posted by: Charlie Sykes at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (oZ6kz)

51 I wonder when "conservative" Joe Scarborough is going to begin writing for the "conservative" Bulwark?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (ptqGC)

52 Politics Fans are no different that Sports Fans. It's all mostly just cheering for laundry.

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (mOPWe)

53 Does Tater have kids?

If so, can we call them Tater Tots?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (4AeKb)

54 >> "Yes, AOC's proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system."



Wow.
I can see why they took "Conserving Conservatism" off the masthead.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (W+vEI)

55 30
Can we just start calling Bill Kristol Snowball, now.



Because he's no Napolean.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:16 PM (xHsS4)
More like a Napoleon cake really. He's puffy and flaky enough.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (37IEG)

56 if teh socialism shoe fitthen they be it!

Posted by: Sir John Cockran, Esquire at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (ufFY8)

57 42
The Bulwark--sounds manly right?-...



BulWARK? I thought it was the BullDORK.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (6b1dn)

Ballwork. They are a bunch of felching traitors. Thanks, Trump, for exposing these phonies for what they are.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (t6MX/)

58 Only a few years back, who the hell could have imagined that so many "conservatives" would turn out to have been lying closet libs, and that Donald Freakin Trump would be the one who would expose them.

Still makes my head spin.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (4AeKb)

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Oh.... Im sure its all part of the plan to throw the election and make HILLARY the POTUS..... any day now..... in due time..... all acording to plan..... yup.... PREZ HILLZ.... just you see...

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:19 PM (8XRCm)

59 51 I wonder when "conservative" Joe Scarborough is going to begin writing for the "conservative" Bulwark?


He can get his ass in line.

Posted by: Ana Navarro at March 19, 2019 03:20 PM (xqdqQ)

60 Jane, does the Bulwark have any interns? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Joe Scarborough at March 19, 2019 03:20 PM (oZ6kz)

61 I can imagine the Bulwark crew thinking Adolph Hitler had some good ideas.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:20 PM (ptqGC)

62 to the Bullworks boys!

I can hardly wait!

Posted by: Cap'n "Balless Bill" Kristol at March 19, 2019 03:20 PM (37IEG)

63 Time for a national divorce.
Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (uLuPn)

The time for that has come and gone, amigo. The fascists will never let us go - they will fight our departure with every ounce of breath they have and they have the levers of government as their supports.

It will get ugly.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:20 PM (NYS7S)

64 "Nationalizing transportation and energy, conducting shame trials of 'transphobes' and imprisoning climate change deniers are not even the teensiest steps toward planned economy, show trials, and the gulag system"

- Things That Are Said By An Actual Idiot

Posted by: Sporkatus at March 19, 2019 03:20 PM (HtLSE)

65 >> "Yes, AOC's proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system."



Are they trying to take our guns?
Yes?

Then it will lead to show trials, the gulag system and state executions.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM (W+vEI)

66 Socialism: you can vote your way in, but you'll have to shoot your way out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM (39g3+)

67
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCMENT!!!


BTW... for those of you that dont know what "felching" is.... dont look it up.

Trust me.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM (8XRCm)

68 Just the tip. Of socialism.

Posted by: skwilli at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM (zllbf)

69 The NeverTrumpers remind me of the Sergeant in A Soldier's Story. He hated whites but he he hated blacks that he felt embarrassed his race in front of whites even more.

Posted by: steevy at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM (BXMxN)

70 Meghan McCain will soon be writing a food and lifestyle column. I'm only half kidding.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM (ptqGC)

71 Time for a national divorce.



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I'd prefer a national ass-kicking.



Bet on the side with the guns.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:18 PM (sX1BW)


1000 times this.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM (9Om/r)

72 President Trump has the magic ability too make the masks fall away! God bless our president.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at March 19, 2019 03:22 PM (0OmEj)

73 We've already had a National Divorce.

We're currently fighting over the division of funds and visitation rights.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:22 PM (oZ6kz)

74 I prefer the moniker fluffer or daisy.

Posted by: William Kristol, Esq. at March 19, 2019 03:22 PM (P1AAi)

75 100,000,00 dead in the name of one form of socialism or another can't go wrong.
Nah.
Ahoy!!

Posted by: Cascadia at March 19, 2019 03:22 PM (iBxmr)

76 we have plenty of socialism already in our system. We are ALREADY doing socialism wrong.


Wrong, because it is better to come illegally and get the free shit, and work off the books selling drugs or sex (and driving drunk but immune from required insurance) ... American Socialism has made it better for those people than the working stiff.


But sure, more "socialism" would be even better .. to make the rich richer, and to depress the lower middle class further.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 19, 2019 03:23 PM (Cus5s)

77 President Trump has the magic ability too make the masks fall away! God bless our president.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at March 19, 2019 03:22 PM (0OmEj)


He's the first one to hit back. The Washington Generals ain't supposed to hit back.

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:23 PM (mOPWe)

78 Join us this week at the Bulwark as Shannan discusses the wonders of our Miele dishwasher and I review the upcoming week in Antifas noble struggle

Posted by: JV Last at March 19, 2019 03:23 PM (AaCJy)

79 President Trump has the magic ability too make the masks fall away! God bless our president.



Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at March 19, 2019 03:22 PM (0OmEj)


Yes. God bless him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:23 PM (ptqGC)

80 We've already had a National Divorce.

We're currently fighting over the division of funds and visitation rights.
Posted by: Broseidon


Ain't nothing outside of flyover country I want to visit.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2019 03:23 PM (21UM+)

81 I dunno. Is there anyone around who really believes these cucks were every really "conservatives"? It's occurred to me that was just a gig they milked for cash, and in which they never really believed in principally.

The word "frauds" comes to mind. At some point you just move on because they've been outed.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:23 PM (VpIIl)

82 "Yes, AOC's proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system."

.....................

This is exactly like the lefties saying.. "Oh but Socialism was never done correctly! We'll do it right this time!"

eff'n a-holes.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 19, 2019 03:23 PM (so+oy)

83 >>Socialism: you can vote your way in, but you'll have to shoot your way out.



"You don't need an AR15, right? Just give us your AR15s and then we'll be good. Really. And then your other guns, it's only civilized. And then, maybe, your knives. But really, we don't want to bad part of Socialism. . . until you have no weapons to stop us from doing it.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (W+vEI)

84
How dumb they all are.

Once the coming storm has broken, whoever prevails, these guys are first against the wall.

How they can't see this is beyond me.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (AzW6q)

85 Meghan McCain will soon be writing a food and lifestyle column.
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Well, they say you should write about what you know and Meggy knows food.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (vg8iE)

86 Time for a national divorce.
Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (uLuPn)


Do ticks get divorced from dogs?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (6b1dn)

87
Meghan McCain will soon be writing a food and lifestyle column. I'm only half kidding.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM


Her 'lifestyle' of huge food intake brings her closer to me every day. Fortunately Liberty Medical is there.

Posted by: Type Two Diabeetus at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (jYje5)

88 Great post, Ace, and I look forward to reading Gorka's whole piece. There is something in here I find extremely troubling because it means I have to question what I always assumed to be the origins of the GOPe/NeverTrump crowd.

The conventional wisdom, as far as I know, is that this co-opting of the Republican Party by non-conservatives (or, at most generous, semi-conservatives) began in earnest under Reagan. In that era, the Democrats - who used to (at least on paper) be for immigration control, blue collar advocacy, etc. - got consumed by actual hardcore Leftists and outright communist sympathizers. This is where the "Reagan Democrats" came from - they didn't necessarily love conservatism and often were not conservatives in a practical sense, but they viewed the Soviet apologetics or outright Soviet advocacy of the increasingly corrupt Democrat party as going too far and forcing them out.

I don't know if this is actually true, or if it is simply not true anymore. This statement from the Cuckshed puts any legitimacy that argument has in the current context into the dustbin. From the post:
But upon closer inspection the right's bashing of socialism rings a little hollow--and not just because of Gorka's bombast. Yes, AOC's proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system.

If the roots of the GOPe/NeverTrump cowards was actually "not exactly a conservative, but not down with communism" it certainly doesn't apply anymore.

Was it ever true? If it was, this demonstrates - in rich, vibrant color - what happens when petty personal luxuries, desire to "belong" and the lust for influence and other power-by-proxy schemes systematize.

You may note that the Cuckshed dropped their "Conservatism Conserved" tagline. There can be no wonder as to why.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (I2dne)

89 Only white supremacists want capitalism.

Posted by: Don Lee-moan at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (v0R5T)

90 Does this Brown Shirt make me look fat?

Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (xHsS4)

91 I'm not going to click over to the Bulshit, but did they actually publish something that claims that AOC is not asking for (demanding) a planned economy?

I thought that was 90% of her program. Or is that Five-Year Plan?

Posted by: JEM at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (8erNz)

92 >>>As if by prophecy, the next article the Bulwark posted was: "Is Socialism Really that Big of a Threat?"

Written in the cuckshed while his wife was being roundly rogered by the poolboy.

...

i'm going to try to say "Rogered" more.

And "snizz."

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (PbpT7)

93 And then, maybe, your knives. But really, we don't want to bad part of Socialism. . . until you have no weapons to stop us from doing it.
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I've come for your fingernails and teeth.

*brandishes pliers*

Posted by: weapons collection officer at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (v6eK5)

94 73 they can have custody of the Hildabeast

Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (uLuPn)

95 Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin had some great ideas. They just didn't implement them well.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (ptqGC)

96 Yes, AOC's proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system.

AOC's proposals are, precisely, a planned economy.

And show-trials and the gulag system will be fully-implemented minutes, if not seconds, after #2A is repealed.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (NYS7S)

97 "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." - Thomas Sowell

Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (uGHnY)

98 Conserving Conservatism...in Cryostasis.

Posted by: The Bull Work at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (vDqXW)

99 What is their point? What are they for?
Posted by: Aetius451AD


Making sure their iron rice bowls are pristine vessels for the next statist regime.

Oh, and convincing themselves that their rage at Trump isn't a mental illness.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (Hk+Y0)

100
Once the coming storm has broken, whoever prevails, these guys are first against the wall.

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This.

Conservative will never forgive them for being traitors.

Liberals will never trust them for being traitors.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (8XRCm)

101 The only problem we ever had with the Socialist People's Revolutions is that Stalin kicked us out after ours.

We got our revenge on the USSR already - Now it's time for another Revolution!

Workers Anti-Westerners of the World Unite!

Posted by: Neo-con Liberal Imperialists at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (wQMQx)

102 Okay, what if Socialism only results in a 5% chance of devolving into totalitarianism? 1%? 0.1%.

What % chance should we gamble that the fruits of socialism will not be nourished by the blood of our citizens?

Personally I'm down with 0.0000%. I don't want any socialism at all, and I want to take zero risk of destroying my country. Especially in exchange for subsidized day care or whatever "benefit" I will supposedly receive.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (AJj50)

103 The truly hilarious thing is that this reveals something very ugly about these chumps, particularly Kristol. Its one or more of these options:

1) they were never, ever really right wing in any sense
2) they were but hate Trump so much they're willing to embrace anything whatsoever to oppose him
3) they don't believe anything except what the person who's paying them says to believe.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (39g3+)

104 95 Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin had some great ideas. They just didn't implement them well.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (ptqGC)

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That Pol Pot guy, he had it goin' on.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:26 PM (q8oeS)

105 How they can't see this is beyond me.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (AzW6q)


The same way the spouse is always the last one to figure out their significant other is fucking everything up and down the street. The same way Little Johnny's parents had no clue what a turd he was until it was too late.

People just don't see what they don't want to see.

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:26 PM (mOPWe)

106 "Does Tater have kids? "

Knucklebabies.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at March 19, 2019 03:26 PM (fDrHh)

107 103 The truly hilarious thing is that this reveals something very ugly about these chumps, particularly Kristol. Its one or more of these options:

1) they were never, ever really right wing in any sense
2) they were but hate Trump so much they're willing to embrace anything whatsoever to oppose him
3) they don't believe anything except what the person who's paying them says to believe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (39g3+)

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I'm gonna go with 3.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:26 PM (q8oeS)

108 Remind me, what do you call it when one pledges a national "salary" for every single person whether they work or not, at the expense of taxpayers? Surely even the cucks will admit this is a cursory element of a planned economy.

Plus Donkey Chompers and her ilk have virtually pledged a de facto end private corporations, by stealing their profits and managing their business.


A child could see this is "socialism" and would probably punch the cucks in the nuts for saying otherwise.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (VpIIl)

109 Wait'll you see my recipe for Meggie Mac-n-Cheese!

Whole pound of bacon! And that's just my serving.

Tonight on Cooking and Eating and Eating with Meghan! (I put "eating" in the title twice cause eating's so nice!)

Posted by: Meggie McCain's growing laaaaarger at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (4AeKb)

110 Well, they say you should write about what you know and Meggy knows food.

Its funny, but all the most chubby celebrities and famous people are always telling everyone how they eat super healthy and love nibbling kale. Yet somehow they weigh as much as a volkswagon.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (39g3+)

111 "Eunuch" is a word that needs to be utilized more frequently.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (ptqGC)

112 107 103 The truly hilarious thing is that this reveals something very ugly about these chumps, particularly Kristol. Its one or more of these options:

1) they were never, ever really right wing in any sense
2) they were but hate Trump so much they're willing to embrace anything whatsoever to oppose him
3) they don't believe anything except what the person who's paying them says to believe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (39g3+)

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I'm gonna go with 3.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:26 PM (q8oeS)

1 and (mostly) 3

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (NYS7S)

113 This.

Conservative will never forgive them for being traitors.

Liberals will never trust them for being traitors.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (8XRCm)


It's the lukewarm thing. You end up getting spit out of the mouth.

Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (xqdqQ)

114
This is exactly like the lefties saying.. "Oh but Socialism was never done correctly! We'll do it right this time!"

eff'n a-holes.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 19, 2019 03:23 PM (so+oy)

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Any system that relies on benevolent geniuses to keep the system running isnt much of a system.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

115 Of course AOC didn't mean build charging stations everywhere !! Duh! She just wrote it that way!!

You wingnuts! You're supposed to take her figuratively not literally!

... Wait-wut?

Posted by: The Bull Work at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (vDqXW)

116 >>i'm going to try to say "Rogered" more.

2nd Best Bond.
May he RIP.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (xHsS4)

117 >>>18 Is America finally ready to hear about the positive side of antisemitism?

Please read David Frenchs thoughtful and passionate piece in the Bullwark!
Posted by: Charlie Sykes

yup.

French appears on Sykes' podcast, even while the Bulwark smears his colleague VDH as a Nazi.

How long until he's a "senior contributor" there?

Or maybe he's waiting until Pierre Omidyar funds the Hayes-Goldberg newsletter for an offer.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (PbpT7)

118 103 The truly hilarious thing is that this reveals something very ugly about these chumps, particularly Kristol. Its one or more of these options:

1) they were never, ever really right wing in any sense
2) they were but hate Trump so much they're willing to embrace anything whatsoever to oppose him
3) they don't believe anything except what the person who's paying them says to believe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (39g3+)

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I'm gonna go with 3.

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If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you want.

Posted by: Winston at March 19, 2019 03:28 PM (sX1BW)

119 Sebastian Gorka on 990 WNTP Philadelphia
http://player.listenlive.co/57321

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2019 03:28 PM (BbGew)

120 "Meghan McCain will soon be writing a food and lifestyle column. I'm only half kidding.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:21 PM"

It will be called "Carbs for Life"

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:28 PM (VpIIl)

121 By the way, Meggie Mac followed up Katrina Pierson's tweet with a supposed mug shot of Katrina (re the sidebar). How sweet.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:28 PM (ptqGC)

122 114 Any system that relies on benevolent geniuses to keep the system running isnt much of a system.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

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Actual socialism requires no governing body whatsoever.

The proletariat will revolt and...mumble mumble mumble...the worker's paradise arrives!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:28 PM (q8oeS)

123 Socialism has never been brewed properly to let its inherent conservatism bubble to the service and enrich the flavor.

Posted by: The Bull Work at March 19, 2019 03:28 PM (vDqXW)

124 Can't hang around long...

There's a swarthy Spaniard Rogering my wife's snizz and I don't want to miss the coup de grace!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at March 19, 2019 03:28 PM (xHsS4)

125 I admit, stole the "roundly rogered" from Dan Aykroyd (Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute)

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (4AeKb)

126 bulwark is a barricade or earthwork ... so they must favor the wall, protecting America, right? Becoming Germany or France ... or Russia ... doesn't sound very "bulwarky". more like bullshitty.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (Cus5s)

127 Neo-conservative == pro-war liberal (so long as it's Other Peoples' Kids doing the dying)

KristolMeth, in particular, was never an actual conservative, and certainly never an economic conservative.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (NYS7S)

128 I'm gonna go with 3.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:26 PM (q8oeS)

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I'm taking door 3 as well. It's just about the money and the parties and the inflated sense of self-superiority.

Grasping, social climbing bourgeoisie run completely amok.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (AzW6q)

129 The latest thing is for state legislators to tie their electoral votes to the popular vote thereby disenfranchising their citizens.
Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2019 03:17 PM (uLuPn)
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Is that being challenged in Colorado by anyone? I can't imagine it gets done just like that.

Posted by: jhawk90 at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (Xvo1a)

130 What percent of Republicans/Conservatives would you wager buys into this strain of NeverTrump?

Maybe 1-2%?

I can totally understand someone being frustrated Trump on a personal level, I never have understood how anyone goes from that to "maybe socialism isn't all that bad?"

I'm really hoping the Dems openly calling for socialism might give Republicans back the suburbs.

Posted by: Blago at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (UfkIY)

131 Oh, I thought you guys said Meggy Mac was going to BE a column, which made more sense, because she looks quite sturdy.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (oZ6kz)

132
>>i'm going to try to say "Rogered" more.

2nd Best Bond.
May he RIP.
Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:27 PM (xHsS4)

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OMFG.... Im dying over here...

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (8XRCm)

133 This is where the "Reagan Democrats" came from - they didn't necessarily love conservatism and often were not conservatives in a practical sense, but they viewed the Soviet apologetics or outright Soviet advocacy of the increasingly corrupt Democrat party as going too far and forcing them out. - Joe Mannix

And this is where, a generation earlier, the so-called Neo-cons came from. Disgusted with the Democrats frequent appeasement of the Soviets, the became "sort of " Conservatives.
Got inside the movement, and began to twist it into something else. Where did the phrase "compassionate Conservatism" come from, anyways?

We have come to a watershed moment, when Trump, the American populist- nationalist, stands against the cosmopolitan "one worlders" who want to level all borders, and welcome in a new underclass that will reliably vote Democrat-socialist, and do away with the Constitution of 1787 once and for all.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (vcOmj)

134 they've let the left know they are trustworthy and useful allies who, if they are to be eaten at all, should certainly be eaten last.

Yeah, make all the dinner plans for the left that you like, but the alligator eats what he wants, when he wants. Keep your heads down assholes.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (UC5ui)

135 That Pol Pot guy, he had it goin' on.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:26 PM (q8oeS)

Not as good as Stacy's Mom.
https://youtu.be/dZLfasMPOU4



Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (ufFY8)

136 The Bulwalk is evil and the people within it are wicked. God may forgive those who know not what they do. But it is wicked pride to know evil, choose it, and then boast of your holiness in sin.

Is that clear enough?

Posted by: Jesus at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (wQMQx)

137 The Weekly Standard had a circulation less than Model Railroader magazine.
The Bulwark has a circulation smaller than the Weekly Standard.
Model Railroader has never betrayed its principles.


Posted by: Mikey NTH - Break Progressive Minds with a Trumpinator From The Outrage Outlet! at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (hLRSq)

138 I think what modern day socialists argue for is not actually socialism, but an oligarchy of the elite wedded with a very generous welfare system.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (q8oeS)

139 And show-trials and the gulag system will be fully-implemented minutes, if not seconds, after #2A is repealed.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (NYS7S)


The 2A was designed to be a canary in the coal mine and a self activating sentinel. An attack on the 2A signals its time for activation.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (9Om/r)

140 >>>116 >>i'm going to try to say "Rogered" more.

2nd Best Bond.
May he RIP.

classy guy. I just saw an outtake by him from A View to a Kill where the girl is complaining about her boss being corrupt and Roger Moore throws in this ad lib, "Well fuck that guy."

It was pretty funny seeing "Bond" say that.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (PbpT7)

141 I suspect at least three flabby white men in photos holding cigars wrote the Bulwark article

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (TN1P5)

142 Have another empanada, Senor Maduro.

Posted by: wth at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (v0R5T)

143 Any system that relies on benevolent geniuses to keep the system running isnt much of a system.

Anyone who believes there can be "benevolent" centralized power doesn't know the first this about human nature.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (uGHnY)

144 1) they were never, ever really right wing in any sense
2) they were but hate Trump so much they're willing to embrace anything whatsoever to oppose him
3) they don't believe anything except what the person who's paying them says to believe.


Define 'right wing'.

You've got the Max Boots who don't seem to understand the meaning of the term except insofar as it lets them start 'nation building' exercises almost certain to fail.

For them tranny bathrooms and free grievance-studies collegiate programs are a small price to pay to drop bombs in some futile dictator-extermination activity somewhere.


Posted by: JEM at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (8erNz)

145 KristolMeth, in particular, was never an actual conservative, and certainly never an economic conservative.
Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (NYS7S)

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Not much a social conservative either.

So.... how is he conservative again???

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (8XRCm)

146 Meghan McCain will be The Carb Snake Diet Gal.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (VpIIl)

147 I think what modern day socialists argue for is not actually socialism, but an oligarchy of the elite wedded with a very generous welfare system.

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So communism.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (sX1BW)

148 The Bull Work
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ISWYDT and I think you are on to something.

Posted by: simplemind at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (GzxY8)

149 Did you ever hunt up that picture in your email, buttmunch?

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (xHsS4)

150 Joe - this isn't a recent thing. The "Country Club" Republicans put up a big fight in 1976 on Ford vs Reagan (would Reagan have beat Carter in '76 and ended the Soviet Union earlier ?), and again in 1980 when they insisted upon G. Bush being the vice presidential candidate.

It should be noted that in 1989 when George Bush took the White House he completely cleaned house of the Reagan appointees to a degree that no Republican I am aware of has ever done with his Democrat predecessors.

Posted by: Mordineus at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (0bEmE)

151
Can't hang around long...



There's a swarthy Spaniard Rogering my wife's snizz and I don't want to miss the coup de grace!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at March 19, 2019 03:28 PM (xHsS4)


omg. iced tea everywhere.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (ptqGC)

152 145 KristolMeth, in particular, was never an actual conservative, and certainly never an economic conservative.
Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (NYS7S)

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Not much a social conservative either.

So.... how is he conservative again???
Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (8XRCm)

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He was anti-Soviet for a time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (q8oeS)

153 "Yes, AOC's proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system."

Wrong. Her proposals inevitably, ineluctably lead to a planned economy, show trials, the gulag system, secret police, walls (yes!) with barbed wire and machine guns.

Why? Because socialists' ideas DO. NOT. WORK. And when they fail to such an extent that even relentless propaganda can't pretend otherwise, the socialists have to find scapegoats. Enter the "counter-revolutionaries sabotaging" their great policies. THAT'S why things suck!

Then come the show trials, the gulags, and of course, the secret police to sniff out said counter-revolutionary saboteurs.

Along with them comes the wall with barbed wire, etc. to keep people from fleeing the socialist paradise.

The progression follows as night follows day.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (6b1dn)

154 Ace, if you like the word "rogering" you should read some Flashman.

The highest grade of literature and historical accuracy Playboy ever had to offer!

Posted by: Sporkatus at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (HtLSE)

155 >>>1) they were never, ever really right wing in any sense
2) they were but hate Trump so much they're willing to embrace anything whatsoever to oppose him
3) they don't believe anything except what the person who's paying them says to believe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:25 PM (39g3+)

embrace the healing power of "fuck these guys"

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (PbpT7)

156 These never-Trumpers are engaged in the worlds oldest profession.
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Ripperology??

Posted by: andycanuck at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (Dh1wo)

157 Is that being challenged in Colorado by anyone? I can't imagine it gets done just like that.
Posted by: jhawk90 at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (Xvo1a)


I can't fathom why a State would choose to ignore it's own will. Crazy.

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (mOPWe)

158
"Does Tater have kids? "


He has Tater tots with their eyes all aglow

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (TAmPV)

159 And, yeah, Roger Moore Bond Outtakes are great. The guy had the perfect english demeanor for comedy.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:32 PM (xHsS4)

160 147 I think what modern day socialists argue for is not actually socialism, but an oligarchy of the elite wedded with a very generous welfare system.

--------------

So communism.
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (sX1BW)

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With less beating, but yeah, communism in practice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:32 PM (XSSCs)

161 I think what modern day socialists argue for is not actually socialism, but an oligarchy of the elite wedded with a very generous welfare system.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (q8oeS)
.......

SEE? This time we can do it right!

Posted by: Alexa Corpuscle at March 19, 2019 03:32 PM (v0R5T)

162 I wouldn't accuse the Bulwark of wanting to stuff us in boxcars just yet.
But they're sure damned comfortable feeding us to the alligators ....

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at March 19, 2019 03:32 PM (TN1P5)

163
Funny, but every time I see "The Bulwark" in print I think of a cartoon moose and his best friend squirrel.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont


Bulwark is Bullwinkle's British cousin.

But they're cousins,
Identical cousins all the way.
One pair of matching bookends,
Different as night and day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 19, 2019 03:32 PM (aKsyK)

164 I think what modern day socialists argue for is not actually socialism, but an oligarchy of the elite wedded with a very generous welfare system.

--------------

So communism.
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (sX1BW)

So, Russia?

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:32 PM (NYS7S)

165 Is that being challenged in Colorado by anyone? I can't imagine it gets done just like that.
Posted by: jhawk90 at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (Xvo1a)

I can't fathom why a State would choose to ignore it's own will. Crazy.

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It will be great when Trump wins the popular vote and subsequently gets over 400 electoral votes in the process.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:32 PM (sX1BW)

166 VDH is probably one of the most cogent, thoughtful intellectual people of our time. The way these dribbling buffoons attack him like happy school lads blowing each other only reveals their dearth on intellect.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:32 PM (VpIIl)

167 What percent of Republicans/Conservatives would you wager buys into this strain of NeverTrump?

Maybe 1-2%?

Posted by: Blago at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (UfkIY)


Well, polls being polls, Trump is doing very well with the Republican base. So the NeverTrumpers are loud but ineffectual.

Say, that works - The Bulwark - Loud but Ineffectual.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Break Progressive Minds with a Trumpinator From The Outrage Outlet! at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (hLRSq)

168 If a Never-Trumper speaks, is he still wrong?

Yes.

We need the Cone of Silence for them.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (u82oZ)

169 >>150 Joe - this isn't a recent thing. The "Country Club" Republicans put up a big fight in 1976 on Ford vs Reagan (would Reagan have beat Carter in '76 and ended the Soviet Union earlier ?), and again in 1980 when they insisted upon G. Bush being the vice presidential candidate.

It should be noted that in 1989 when George Bush took the White House he completely cleaned house of the Reagan appointees to a degree that no Republican I am aware of has ever done with his Democrat predecessors.

...

Dan Riehl talks to Mark Levin, and he tells me that Mark Levin is always complaining about this, and saying that this war goes on through today. The liberal Rockefeller Republicans never went away, they just pretended to have an ideological conversion and started claiming to be super-Reaganite while attempting to thwart Reagaism at every turn.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (PbpT7)

170 Sponge

Posted by: FIRST!!!!! at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (uopCm)

171 We keep spending most our lives living in the gulag paradise.

Posted by: Ghosts of Socialism's Past at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (vtcmf)

172 I can't fathom why a State would choose to ignore it's own will. Crazy.
Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (mOPWe)

Roughly 1/3 of the country went bat-shit insane in November 2016 and is never, ever coming back.

And some of them are sitting in safe, deep-blue seats in the legislatures of deep-blue states.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (NYS7S)

173 The problem with Venezuela, is the people. They have no appreciation for the pure form of socialism Maduro has been trying to create for them.


I'll have another Mojito, please. Heavier on the rum this time.

Ahoy!

Posted by: Cap'n. Bill, hanging out at Maduro's pool at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (ptqGC)

174 He was anti-Soviet for a time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts


Well, they did socialism wrong. They were giving it a bad name.

Really. That's what a lot of the neo-cons thought.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (vcOmj)

175 i think that's a general enough observation that there's no problem of violating confidences.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (PbpT7)

176 If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you want.
Posted by: Winston


Winston was a wise man.

I think what modern day socialists argue for is not actually socialism, but an oligarchy of the elite wedded with a very generous welfare system.

...which is socialism: us in power over the economy and you living off the government's largesse at their decision.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (39g3+)

177 JV drilled a few holes in The Bulwark and of an afternoon I like to get down on my knees and see what fine Aryan things come pushing through.

Posted by: Shannan Last at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (AaCJy)

178 The Colorado popular vote law is just the latest in a plan that has existed for at least 15 years. Look up the "NPVIC."

IIRC it needs to hit 270 electoral votes to have any actual power of law. Which is unlikely to happen.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (oZ6kz)

179 Yeah, the evils of socialism aren't coming to America. AOC is already proposing the Green Leap Forward and Khmer Rouge-like "camping", and the college kids are promoting conflict sessions for the violators of the new order.

Maybe the pseudo-right could stop alarming about Trump as well? Nah. Never happen.

"It's 100% future history that Trump refuses to leave office in 2020 when he's defeated by Beto! What do you anti-intellectuals have against settled future history?!"

Posted by: Axeman at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (vDqXW)

180 Any system that relies on benevolent geniuses to keep the system running isnt much of a system.

Anyone who believes there can be "benevolent" centralized power doesn't know the first this about human nature.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (uGHnY)

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My point exactly.


The REAL reason Socialism never work is it goes against human nature. Nobody in the system, except the occasional Saint, volutarily gives their best effort for the benefit of nameless faceless others.

And those running the system cannont run it to the benefit of the people in it. They will invaribly run it to the benefit of them being able to continue to run it.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (8XRCm)

181 169 Dan Riehl talks to Mark Levin, and he tells me that Mark Levin is always complaining about this, and saying that this war goes on through today. The liberal Rockefeller Republicans never went away, they just pretended to have an ideological conversion and started claiming to be super-Reaganite while attempting to thwart Reagaism at every turn.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:33 PM (PbpT7)

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If only Rockefeller had won the 1964 Republican nomination...

Instead of throwing Goldwater to the wolves.

History might have turned out differently within the Republican Party. Maybe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (XSSCs)

182 Right before the 2016 election, Matthew Condenetti had an article about how Conservatives should accept that socialism had won and spend the next twenty years arguing that they were better caretakers of the administrative state, until such time as they could could make the argument for conservatism again. At the time I suspected that he was parroting something that his father-in-law was saying in private. Now, I'm sure of it.

They gave up a long time ago. That's why they hate Trump: he proved that the problem was always them, and not conservatism.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (wCmLp)

183 We have come to a watershed moment, when Trump, the American populist- nationalist, stands against the cosmopolitan "one worlders" who want to level all borders, and welcome in a new underclass that will reliably vote Democrat-socialist, and do away with the Constitution of 1787 once and for all.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at March 19, 2019 03:29 PM (vcOmj)
++++++++++++++
Which is interesting in its own right. If you take a step back and look at key position points in Trump's platform, it is genuinely what *would* have been considering a centrist platform before everyone went insane. If Trump were running with this exact platform in 1972, he probably could have run in either party.

Platform planks:
1) Tight immigration control (bipartisan issue in the 70s, probably with more Democrat (labor) support at the local level)
2) Regulatory regime rollbacks (Republican issue)
3) Trade rationalization (Democrat issue)
4) Tax cuts (Republican issue)
5) Tax loophole closure (Democrat issue)
6) Military rebuild (Republican issue)
7) Medical industry reform (this didn't really exist, but if it did it would have been a Democrat issue)
Abortion (Republican issue)

Trump is a true centrist in what we can probably call the "classical" sense on the pre-madness 20th century. That this platform - a platform that is, if we're being fair, pretty centrist and milquetoast - has resulted in this reaction shows you how radical and insane the Left *and* the Center have become.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (I2dne)

184 They should call themselves The Rentboys.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (NWiLs)

185 The 2A was designed to be a canary in the coal mine and a self activating sentinel. An attack on the 2A signals its time for activation.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (9Om/r)


I think it was designed as the ultimate check and balance.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (6b1dn)

186 The liberal Rockefeller Republicans never went away, they just pretended to have an ideological conversion and started claiming to be super-Reaganite while attempting to thwart Reagaism at every turn.

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The smart statist always know which side to take.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (sX1BW)

187 Socialism in Europe and Canada "works" because the United States foots the bill for so much of those nations' defense, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (xyung)

188 I think what modern day socialists argue for is not actually socialism, but an oligarchy of the elite wedded with a very generous welfare system.
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if by very generous welfare system you mean, confiscation of your wealth in exchange for "care" ie, death panels, eventually gas chambers and 'recycling'. Because, that's what they mean, although they don't say that until after they've taken your guns, knives, and finger nails.

Posted by: simplemind at March 19, 2019 03:35 PM (Fcwjq)

189 I wouldn't accuse the Bulwark of wanting to stuff us in boxcars just yet.
But they're sure damned comfortable feeding us to the alligators ....


Let's just say they've got a couple of loitering charges for being in railyards with their junk out that now, in hindsight, are looking pretty suspicious.

Posted by: Sporkatus at March 19, 2019 03:35 PM (HtLSE)

190 >>> As if by prophecy, the next article the Bulwark posted was: "Is Socialism Really that Big of a Threat?"

Wait, the article headline is NOT a clickbait piece to sneakily get liberals to read about why socialism is bad? Waste of time and oxygen then.

Posted by: LizLem at March 19, 2019 03:35 PM (hvf9s)

191 And there is a 98% chance these fat, white, flabby cigar posers are high-fiving each other in the DMs

"Ooooh look how we've pissed them off now--good job!"

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at March 19, 2019 03:35 PM (TN1P5)

192 Will Kristol send us all to the camps on cruise ships?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 19, 2019 03:36 PM (oVJmc)

193 Boot's dick tastes like shit. I think he might be gay.

BTW, Trump's rhetoric encouraged the NZ shootings.

Posted by: david frump at March 19, 2019 03:36 PM (Dh1wo)

194 Are chocolate rations really that bad? I mean, isn't ten grams weekly more than enough???

Posted by: Winston Smith, contributing revisor at the Bulwark at March 19, 2019 03:36 PM (6rX0K)

195 176 I think what modern day socialists argue for is not actually socialism, but an oligarchy of the elite wedded with a very generous welfare system.

...which is socialism: us in power over the economy and you living off the government's largesse at their decision.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (39g3+)

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Actually socialism itself is a stateless society where no one owns any means of production.

Actually having a government in control of everything is different. Must closer to communism or fascism.

Let's just admit it, modern day socialists are actually fascists since they have no intention of creating a stateless society.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:36 PM (XSSCs)

196 187 Socialism in Europe and Canada "works" because the United States foots the bill for so much of those nations' defense, right?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (xyung)


It doesn't really work there, either, but our paying for their defense staves off collapse.

Of course, we can talk, with a national debt of $21 trillion.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (6b1dn)

197 The democrats will eventually get enough power to do away with the electoral college, you know. This only goes in one direction, barring God's mercy. And as mercy is defined as "undeserved favor" it would be an unbelievable act of mercy.

The alternative involves a lot of light poles and high speed lead, resulting in chaos and awful bloodshed after which the country is freed of these miserable bastards. But is it really worth murdering over? Just because they disagree with us? I don't think so. But they might.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (39g3+)

198 Joe - this isn't a recent thing. The "Country Club" Republicans put up a big fight in 1976 on Ford vs Reagan (would Reagan have beat Carter in '76 and ended the Soviet Union earlier ?), and again in 1980 when they insisted upon G. Bush being the vice presidential candidate.

It should be noted that in 1989 when George Bush took the White House he completely cleaned house of the Reagan appointees to a degree that no Republican I am aware of has ever done with his Democrat predecessors.
Posted by: Mordineus at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (0bEmE)
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Yes. As Bozo and Ace have both mentioned, it started earlier. I think that Reagan probably served as the inflection point, though, where it all went mainstream. The Party did not want Reagan, but he brought in the vote so they had to coopt it from within. Just like they thought they would do to Trump.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (I2dne)

199 He was anti-Soviet for a time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (q8oeS)


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So was Mao.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (8XRCm)

200 Socialism in Europe and Canada "works" because the United States foots the bill for so much of those nations' defense, right?

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Yes, and because the US is a bulwark (pun intended) against the inevitable next level socialism (i.e., communism but really what is the difference) that would be surely to follow.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (sX1BW)

201 Are chocolate rations really that bad? I mean, isn't ten grams weekly more than enough???

Posted by: Winston Smith, contributing revisor at the Bulwark at March 19, 2019 03:36 PM (6rX0K)
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Especially since it's been increased from 13!

Morons.

Posted by: Axeman at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (vDqXW)

202 Alex Griswold is a pretty high percentage cuck, right? Because even he was pointing out the whole "how come when Muslims commit mass killings it's a local crime story but when a white dude does it it's literally every white person's fault" deal.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (oZ6kz)

203 >>>191 And there is a 98% chance these fat, white, flabby cigar posers are high-fiving each other in the DMs

"Ooooh look how we've pissed them off now--good job!"
Posted by: RoyalOil,

...

these guys pretend to be Serious-Minded and erudite, but they spend all of their time on trivialities and juvenile trolling.

Between the infantile baiting and the nonstop gaywad babybabble about superhero movies, I just can't even.

Grow up, laddyboys. Most of you are in your 40s and some of you are in your late sixties.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (PbpT7)

204 Socialism in Europe and Canada "works" because the United States foots the bill for so much of those nations' defense, right?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (xyung)

To the extent socialism "works" at all, it's in small, ethnically homogeneous groups who don't have to worry about some outside force taking their goodies away.

That said, none of them are particularly "socialist" in that The State doesn't own the means of production. They are highly centralized, pseudo-fascist states with very generous welfare systems.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (NYS7S)

205 They are like the neighbor who comes over, watches you working on something. Has plenty of useless suggestions, eager to tell you that you are doing it wrong but would never dream of lifting a finger to help you.

They have no interest is actually accomplishing anything. They WANT to be permanently in the minority where they can point out problems but never have to actually do anything, or take responsibility for something.

What's that southern thing? "Blesse their Hearts"

Posted by: JB1000 at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (jSar8)

206 The Bulwark Boys would have been working in the SS under Hitler. They would have *loved* the smart tailoring of their uniforms.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (ptqGC)

207 "Well, I'm sure the writers at The Bulwark don't have to worry about show trials -- they've let the left know they are trustworthy and useful allies who, if they are to be eaten at all, should certainly be eaten last."

Traitors are generally not kept around long after their treachery, being considered untrustworthy.

Posted by: aelfheld at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (IxDhF)

208 Will Kristol send us all to the camps on cruise ships?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 19, 2019 03:36 PM (oVJmc)

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Dalstroy Prison Fleet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalstroy

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (AzW6q)

209 If history shows us anything at all, it teaches those who become fellow travelers to tyranny are eaten last. Generally.

Posted by: Jonah Goldbrick at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (AaCJy)

210 187 Socialism in Europe and Canada "works" because the United States foots the bill for so much of those nations' defense, right?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (xyung)

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And we bear the brunt of a lot of their medical costs as pharmaceutical companies up prices in America to make up for price controls in Canada and Europe.

But yeah, if Germany had to actually worry about its own self defense, their social safety net would strain pretty hard.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (XSSCs)

211 Here's the problem. Our country has always existed on balance. We have mostly honored the rights of the minority party by minimally moving towards our goals in measured, agreeable ways. Democrats are not content with that. They provably trample minority rights such as in New York and California by running over law, constitution and tradition in total disregard for them and the people in the minority. It's the tyranny of a majority just as de Tocqueville described it, and in the past it's led to war and dissolution. Democrats are going there.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (VpIIl)

212 Must closer to communism or fascism.

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There is no difference between communism and fascism.

Ace should write a book on it. Wouldn't take long.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (sX1BW)

213 As my uncle used to tell me "The only time you absolutely need your guns is the time the government tells you to give them up."

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (w7KSn)

214 Waiting in bread lines gives you a chance to socialize. Socialism.

Posted by: Alexa Corpuscle at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (v0R5T)

215 >>> As if by prophecy, the next article the Bulwark posted was: "Is Socialism Really that Big of a Threat?"

Is banning all planes and cows according to the Green New Deal really a threat?

To my cocktail lifestyle, no, so we are a-ok then!

Posted by: Bulwark staff at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (hvf9s)

216 Actually socialism itself is a stateless society where no one owns any means of production.


You have it backward, that's communism, the ultimate goal of socialists. Its an intermediate stage where the state controls everything until people are educated enough and the bad actors are gone and it becomes utopia! Then communism naturally and inevitably is the way of things where each gives of his ability to those of heir need. Everyone spontaneously and without need of pay or ambition simply does the right thing for everyone else, doing all the jobs which are required out of charity and love of the people of the world.

Socialism is the first step after revolution.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (39g3+)

217 If only Rockefeller had won the 1964 Republican nomination...

Instead of throwing Goldwater to the wolves.

History might have turned out differently within the Republican Party. Maybe.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts

No.
Nixon ran against what he called "The Eastern Establishment" in 1968. Even though in his domestic policy, Nixon was not very conservative at all.
Rockefeller was a true RINO. He believed in Big Government, and doing all kinds of deals to Get Things Done.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (vcOmj)

218 Well, I'm sure the writers at The Bulwark don't have to worry about show trials -- they've let the left know they are trustworthy and useful allies who, if they are to be eaten at all, should certainly be eaten last.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:07 PM

Meaning they'll be first against the wall when the left's revolution comes...

such is the arc of history.

Posted by: SturmToddler at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (8D42x)

219 This childish Orangemen Bad! phase can't end well for the Never Trumpers. The way it's going, if Trump starts denigrating autoerotic asphyxiation, I'm guessing someone's going to find Bill Kristol in a closet somewhere with a rope and a Batman costume, just to show Trump he's wrong.

Posted by: Ted K. at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (S7j+0)

220 Roughly 1/3 of the country went bat-shit insane in November 2016 and is never, ever coming back.

And some of them are sitting in safe, deep-blue seats in the legislatures of deep-blue states.


I'd argue the country went bat-shit insane in the 2012 election returning you-know-who to power.

Posted by: JEM at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (8erNz)

221 Actually socialism itself is a stateless society where no one owns any means of production.

Actually having a government in control of everything is different. Must closer to communism or fascism.

Let's just admit it, modern day socialists are actually fascists since they have no intention of creating a stateless society.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:36 PM (XSSCs)
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Socialism requires non-humans to work - thus all the "New Socialist Man" stuff. The stepping stones to get there (apparently through slaughter, if we are to judge them by their results) are communism and fascism.

And the communists are winning over the fascists. The key difference between the two is internationalism vs. nationalism. Nary a nationalist to found among its current advocates.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (I2dne)

222 The democrats will eventually get enough power to do away with the electoral college, you know. This only goes in one direction, barring God's mercy. And as mercy is defined as "undeserved favor" it would be an unbelievable act of mercy.
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A good portion of more than half the states need to want to commit electoral suicide.

It ain't going to happen until the Hawaiian Judge is leveraged onto the court by President Beatov.

Posted by: Axeman at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (vDqXW)

223 Grow up, laddyboys. Most of you are in your 40s and some of you are in your late sixties.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (PbpT7)

Some of the biggest names will forever remain in the shadows of their fathers, and they must chafe at that every day. It makes sense that they try mightily to differentiate themselves.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (wYseH)

224 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (I2dne)

good take Joe

Posted by: DanMan at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (XTiHL)

225 But is it really worth murdering over? Just because they disagree with us? I don't think so. But they might.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (39g3+)


Every yard they're given is a yard closer to the camps for us all.

They never stop. It's going to come down to two choices - death or submission. All we're negotiating over is when.

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (mOPWe)

226 But ace, don't you realize that hotdogs being a sandwich were the secret hero of The Godfather? GIMME DOPAMINE PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (oZ6kz)

227 has anyone actually asked any of these never Trumper idiots what they think a true conservative would have done differently?

hm. maybe I'll fish around and see if I can actually find anything.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (ZqRa6)

228 Yes, and because the US is a bulwark (pun intended) against the inevitable next level socialism (i.e., communism but really what is the difference) that would be surely to follow.
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (sX1BW)


A socialist is a communist who is embarrassed by his political views.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (6b1dn)

229 212 Must closer to communism or fascism.

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There is no difference between communism and fascism.

Ace should write a book on it. Wouldn't take long.
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (sX1BW)

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Iconography is completely different.

"It's like communism, but with a swastika."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (XSSCs)

230 Is Socialism Really that Big of a Threat.

HO-LEE-SHIT

Conserving conservatism indeed.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (jUVms)

231 4 I say we tie them to the back of the truck and drag them.

Posted by: ALH
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Nah, let's indulge CDB on this one:
* Just take them rascals out in the swamp
* Put 'em on their knees and tie 'em to a stump
* Let the rattlers, and the bugs and the alligators do the rest.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (9B/d8)

232 Waiting in bread lines gives you a chance to socialize. Socialism.

Imagine all the time you'll have to spend on social media too!

And we bear the brunt of a lot of their medical costs as pharmaceutical companies up prices in America to make up for price controls in Canada and Europe.

Right, that's part of the evils of trade deals: countries with socialized medicine refusing to allow sales there unless the companies cut their prices to the bone. And where do they make up those lost profits? Here at home.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (39g3+)

233 a friend tells me that the Bulwark Remnant has exhausted even the patience of the rest of the NeverTrumpers, who now despise them. Partly maybe for embarrassing them by giving the game away (in as much as the Bulwark guys don't even hide the fact that they're partisan Democrats now), and partly because the Bulwark Remnant is always attacking the regular NeverTrumpers as sell-outs not sufficiently pro-Democrat enough to defeat the Drumpfenkoenig.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (PbpT7)

234 He was anti-Soviet for a time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:31 PM (q8oeS)

You know who else was anti-Soviet for a time?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (NWiLs)

235 Let's just admit it, modern day socialists are actually fascists since they have no intention of creating a stateless society.
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This is not exactly a reach. I'm just sayin'

Posted by: Adolph H. at March 19, 2019 03:41 PM (GzxY8)

236 What are the Title IX processes under the Dear Colleague letter if not show trials?

What the hell. You know, I keep saying that I loathe Bill Clinton to my DNA and I do. I keep saying that makes it impossible for me to discuss him reasonably and that's true.

I have never ever ever in my life acted about Bill Clinton the way the Super Conservative Friends act about Trump.

What the hell, my dudes?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 19, 2019 03:41 PM (mf5HN)

237 I'd argue the country went bat-shit insane in the 2012 election returning you-know-who to power.
Posted by: JEM at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (8erNz)

There's stupid - which explains 2012.

Then there's bat-shit insane - which explains the aftermath of NOV 2016.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:41 PM (NYS7S)

238 But is it really worth murdering over? Just because they disagree with us? I don't think so. But they might.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM (39g3+)

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Remember the (D)s putting the full weight of the federal government on an elected official in Kentucky who didn't have the power to change the wording on marriage documents her elected position required her to accurately fill and file?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 19, 2019 03:41 PM (xyung)

239 What is misguided about taxpayers funding people unwilling to work, retrofitting/rebuilding every home in the country, banning cows and planes?


That's not misguided, that is insane.


I am sorry you guys think Trump is icky, but I don't get how one travels from "I don't like that vulgar construction mogul" to "Say, that bartender who wants the government to control all aspects of our lives might be onto something."

Posted by: Lizzy at March 19, 2019 03:41 PM (W+vEI)

240 I'd argue the country went bat-shit insane in the 2012 election returning you-know-who to power.
Posted by: JEM at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (8erNz)

Plus, you cannot discount the fact that Mitt Rmoney (DIABLO-UT) took a dive.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:42 PM (NYS7S)

241 A good portion of more than half the states need to want to commit electoral suicide.

The constitution is a living, breathing document and the new 15-persyn court made up of mostly hard left radicals has deemed that this requirement of the states is no longer valid because racism.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:42 PM (39g3+)

242 Nixon ran against what he called "The Eastern Establishment" in 1968. Even though in his domestic policy, Nixon was not very conservative at all.
Rockefeller was a true RINO. He believed in Big Government, and doing all kinds of deals to Get Things Done.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (vcOmj)
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Nixon was a rampant state grower. He implemented the EPA, oversaw some of the earliest direct cash transfer payments for welfare (whereas it was mostly in-kind before as food stamps, rent assistance, public housing, etc.), etc. He was very liberal on domestic policy, and quite conservative on foreign policy for his time. A lot like George W. Bush, actually.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)

243 81 I dunno. Is there anyone around who really believes these cucks were every really "conservatives"? It's occurred to me that was just a gig they milked for cash, and in which they never really believed in principally.

The word "frauds" comes to mind. At some point you just move on because they've been outed.

Posted by: Marcus T
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Yep sir. These fuckwads have never been conservative - straight fraud, faking the funk.. speaking of that - see ol' Paul Ryan is on the board of Faux news now.. super conservative wonderboy indeed. oh joy.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at March 19, 2019 03:42 PM (9B/d8)

244 And we bear the brunt of a lot of their medical costs as pharmaceutical companies up prices in America to make up for price controls in Canada and Europe.

But yeah, if Germany had to actually worry about its own self defense, their social safety net would strain pretty hard.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:38 PM (XSSCs)

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On top of Defense, the U.S. market pays the R&D bills to Pharma in the form of our much higher pricing. This needs to be spread out much more evenly worldwide.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 03:42 PM (ffYR/)

245 239 What is misguided about taxpayers funding people unwilling to work, retrofitting/rebuilding every home in the country, banning cows and planes?


That's not misguided, that is insane.


I am sorry you guys think Trump is icky, but I don't get how one travels from "I don't like that vulgar construction mogul" to "Say, that bartender who wants the government to control all aspects of our lives might be onto something."

Posted by: Lizzy at March 19, 2019 03:41 PM (W+vEI)

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Well, the Orange Man Bad is really icky. Almost as icky as regular Republican voters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:42 PM (XSSCs)

246 Conservatives Are Ginning Up Fake Fears About Socialism
..........

Manufactured crisis if I ever saw one.

Posted by: Alexa Corpuscle at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (v0R5T)

247 Papa Mmmm-a-Mao-Mao
Papa Mmmm-a-Mao-Mao

Posted by: The Left at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (vDqXW)

248 I'd argue the country went bat-shit insane in the 2012 election returning you-know-who to power.
Posted by: JEM at March 19, 2019 03:39 PM (8erNz)

Plus, you cannot discount the fact that Mitt Rmoney (DIABLO-UT) John McCain took a dive.
Posted by: DocJ


Fixed

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (21UM+)

249 Colorado has gone full leftard. Get me out of here now.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (0OmEj)

250 Nixon also took us off the gold standard.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (w7KSn)

251 They are just running a cuck fetish site for pussies, grifting for cash.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (M+Lyo)

252 I just love the assumption that a little socialism won't progress to a totalitarian state.

Right now, the left is working very hard to move the Overton window with regards to socialism, so that the ultimate objective of totalitarianism can be achieved.

Posted by: Ladyl at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (TdMsT)

253 234 He was anti-Soviet for a time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts

You know who else was anti-Soviet for a time?

Posted by: Insomniac
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The damn squirrel that's who.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (9B/d8)

254 Ask any 100 AOC followers whether Conservatives need to be sent to re-education camps. I guarantee you the percentage answering in the affirmative will exceed 70%.

Is Socialism a risk? Well, as long as the media continues to give Socialists the kid glove treatment and allow them to lie their way up the popularity ladder...yeah. BIG ASS RISK!!!

Posted by: Orson at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (Wz0Du)

255 "The Weekly Standard had a circulation less than Model Railroader magazine."

Lately I've been getting into N gauge. I think the oldsters are dying off, and you can find stuff really cheap on ebay. I also saw an amazing amount of used rolling stock at the Schaumburg show in January.

Posted by: Chris M at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (eAZVt)

256 I don't get how one travels from "I don't like that vulgar construction mogul" to "Say, that bartender who wants the government to control all aspects of our lives might be onto something."

Yeah that is a great line and absolutely puzzling, if we didn't know that they were being funded and have their jobs and positions only because a leftist billionaire chooses to make it happen. They have a choice: principles or 6 figure income. Honor, or keep my vacation home in the Hamptons.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (39g3+)

257 The democrats will eventually get enough power to do away with the electoral college, you know. This only goes in one direction, barring God's mercy. And as mercy is defined as "undeserved favor" it would be an unbelievable act of mercy.
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A good portion of more than half the states need to want to commit electoral suicide.


I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Trump wins the popular vote in 2020.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (6b1dn)

258 Colorado has gone full leftard. Get me out of here now.

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It wasn't that way when we gave it up.

Posted by: Texas at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (sX1BW)

259 249 Colorado has gone full leftard. Get me out of here now.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (0OmEj)

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Leave a few notes around your house when you leave.

"I'm leaving this state because of taxes, and regulation, and..."

"If you end up moving away, remember why you're moving away from Colorado and why you're moving to someone with lower taxes and less business regulation."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (XSSCs)

260 I dunno. Does anybody take these people seriously outside their circle jerk? My experience is these Washingtonians believe their cocktails parties ARE the world, and in reality that's never the case.So you can sit there and high-five each other only so long until the meter runs out. THs schtick is getting old fast, it's not very profitable and the only reason it exists is they suck Pierre's dick for a few bucks.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (VpIIl)

261 231 4 I say we tie them to the back of the truck and drag them.

Posted by: ALH
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Nah, let's indulge CDB on this one:
* Just take them rascals out in the swamp
* Put 'em on their knees and tie 'em to a stump
* Let the rattlers, and the bugs and the alligators do the rest.


My friends, isn't necklacing a simpler answer?

Aside of course from the carbon impact.

Posted by: Bobby Mugabe (the good die young but I'm here until 2170) at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (8erNz)

262
Grow up, laddyboys. Most of you are in your 40s and some of you are in your late sixties.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:37 PM


You talking age or Body Mass Index?

Posted by: Type Two Diabeetus at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (jYje5)

263 I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Trump wins the popular vote in 2020.

If he wins, I predict that he will. If he loses, 90% chance it will be very close, but fraud which he doesn't seem to think is necessary to address.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (39g3+)

264 I don't get how one travels from "I don't like that vulgar construction mogul" to "Say, that bartender who wants the government to control all aspects of our lives might be onto something."


From a billionaire to a bartender with a 430 credit score.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (21UM+)

265 The Conservative Case for Government Brain Reprogramming Centers.

Posted by: The Work of Bull at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (vDqXW)

266 Plus, you cannot discount the fact that Mitt Rmoney (DIABLO-UT) John McCain took a dive.
Posted by: DocJ

Fixed
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2019 03:43 PM (21UM+)

Excellent point. For a guy who claimed he wanted to be President sooooooooo bad he sure did a shitty-job actually campaigning for the job.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (NYS7S)

267 If it wasn't for Ace, I wouldn't know who these swells were.

Posted by: Left coast guy at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (UxlXY)

268 Even if Trump wins the popular vote, I'm sure there are a few harvests worth of ballots that shockingly swing 95/5 for his opponent.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (oZ6kz)

269 I tune in to Murderin' Joe briefly every morning (and to the CNN circus, too) just to see what batshit crazy NeverTrumpisms are flying out of their pie holes.

This morning Joe and Mika were off on the Chinese massage parlor woman who somehow was invited to PDT's Super Bowl party and now somehow they're conflating that story to sex trafficking and Trump and crazy pants and I can't even even and it's going to be an early night for Trump and this is truly the end of his presidency and and and....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (ptqGC)

270 I just love the assumption that a little socialism won't progress to a totalitarian state.

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As I like to point out to my West Coast Libtard Brother...... find a way to make "socialist" policies non-cumpulsory and Ill sign up.

Pisses him off it does.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (8XRCm)

271 I think there is a providence on Trump. Has to be. Thank you, God.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2019 03:46 PM (jUVms)

272 Xer conservatives, transitioning

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 19, 2019 03:46 PM (M+Lyo)

273 I dunno. Does anybody take these people seriously outside their circle jerk? My experience is these Washingtonians believe their cocktails parties ARE the world, and in reality that's never the case.

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This is most likely true.

Posted by: Texas at March 19, 2019 03:46 PM (sX1BW)

274 Mitt and Crash McCain both took dives, imho.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 19, 2019 03:46 PM (w7KSn)

275 I just love the assumption that a little socialism won't progress to a totalitarian state.

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I mean there is no way gay marriage leads to the end of women's sports.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (sX1BW)

276 >>. . .and partly because the Bulwark Remnant is always attacking the regular NeverTrumpers as sell-outs not sufficiently pro-Democrat enough to defeat the Drumpfenkoenig.



That is hilarious.

As if NeverTrump wasn't niche-y enough, they're creating a hierarchy within this sliver of a political space.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (W+vEI)

277 I just love the assumption that a little socialism won't progress to a totalitarian state./i]

"Look, just because historically it always has ended up totalitarian eventually doesn't mean it will THIS time. And besides, if it does we'll be on the winning side with power and money so F you."
--Memos from the Cuckshed

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (39g3+)

278 Does Bulwark actually have an audience of people who are interested in what they have to say? I mean apart from their own editorial staff.

Do they define their understanding of conservatism somewhere?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (JgA4k)

279 Mitt and Crash McCain both took dives, imho.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 19, 2019 03:46 PM (w7KSn)


My husband and I are absolutely convinced of this. Especially McCain. "My friendsh...."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (ptqGC)

280 .

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (I2dne)

281 Does anybody take these people seriously outside
their circle jerk?
Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (VpIIl)


They are a typical representation of the few white collar upper class affluents I've had to deal with.

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (mOPWe)

282 The Bulwark is just doing its divine mandate to make conservatives in green rooms uncomfortable. Mostly by
being too close to them as they stink of flop sweat, cheap gin and immigrant smegma.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (oZ6kz)

283 I am sorry you guys think Trump is icky, but I don't get how one travels from "I don't like that vulgar construction mogul" to "Say, that bartender who wants the government to control all aspects of our lives might be onto something."



Posted by: Lizzy at March 19, 2019 03:41 PM (W+vEI)


He showed them up in 2016, and every day that he remains in office he shows them up. He was right and they are wrong. And being small, vain, petty persons they cannot stand that wound.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Break Progressive Minds with a Trumpinator From The Outrage Outlet! at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (hLRSq)

284 they've let the left know they are trustworthy and useful allies who, if they are to be eaten at all, should certainly be eaten last.

After all, if you can't trust mercenary turncoats, who can you trust?

Posted by: The Bulldork at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (x/2Z8)

285 This week, my Bulwark sports commentary drills right down on why Syracuse must not win any March Madness games!

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (AaCJy)

286 The last time I saw Kristol on TV it looked like he was coming unglued. He was definitely off the meds and really can't control his crazy. The people with me were like- "who is this nut?".

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (VpIIl)

287 A good portion of more than half the states need to want to commit electoral suicide.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Trump wins the popular vote in 2020.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (6b1dn)

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I would not be surprised to see him shift strategy and campaign in Kali, the NW, IL and the NE states in 2020 for this reason.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (ffYR/)

288 I wonder if the BulFart can be sued for false advertising? Buy a subscription, then sue their asses for a billion bucks.

Make their angel investor run and hide.

Hey, the Left ran off Breitbart's angel.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (Z4rgH)

289 >>>You talking age or Body Mass Index?


hah. Both I guess. Thought Kap'n Kristol is no higher than, say, 50.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (PbpT7)

290 I think there are two good ways to describe The Bulwark:
1) "The Cuckshed." I think this one is in the Style Guide.
2) "The Rump Weekly Standard." This one is evocative and calls them out as the asses they are.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (I2dne)

291 286 The last time I saw Kristol on TV it looked like he was coming unglued. He was definitely off the meds and really can't control his crazy. The people with me were like- "who is this nut?".
Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (VpIIl)

He has gotten much fatter too. Might be meds.

Posted by: IC at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (a0IVu)

292
I already knew that the commies in the Democrat party lusted for the opportunity to personally shoot a few kneeling Kulaks in the back of the neck. I should have known that the GOPe and NeverTrump cabin boys would hold the same fantasy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (veoSD)

293 Bulwark is Boris Badenov in disguise

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (BbGew)

294 This morning Joe and Mika were off on the Chinese massage parlor woman who somehow was invited to PDT's Super Bowl party and now somehow they're conflating that story to sex trafficking and Trump and crazy pants and I can't even even and it's going to be an early night for Trump and this is truly the end of his presidency and and and....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (ptqGC)
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One way to get Trump to sic his motorcycle gangs on you--with the face colanders--is to mess with his human trafficking ring!

Posted by: The Work of Bull at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (vDqXW)

295 Irving Kristol would practice infanticide if he could.
NEPOTISM rots the brain. Don't Nepotise your child.

Posted by: David Parsons at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (4SOm2)

296 One question:

What is it about Spain that's such a draw for Steve Hayes and Jonah the Whale? Is it the tapas bars? What?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (ptqGC)

297 >>I mean there is no way gay marriage leads to the end of women's sports.




IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MOCKED FOR (RIGHTLY) PREDICTING THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF LEGALIZING SSM DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING.

Posted by: BEN at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (W+vEI)

298 The last time I saw Kristol on TV it looked like he was coming unglued.

I wonder if he feels backed into a corner, and is just lashing out with increasing insanity just to try to control his life.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (39g3+)

299 This morning Joe and Mika were off on the Chinese massage parlor woman who somehow was invited to PDT's Super Bowl party and now somehow they're conflating that story to sex trafficking and Trump and crazy pants and I can't even even and it's going to be an early night for Trump and this is truly the end of his presidency and and and....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (ptqGC)



One of the batshit Trump theories out there, and, no, I'm not talking the Melania is a literal whore that Trump picked out of a catalog one, is that Trump ran/is running a child sex trafficking ring.

It's like the pizza thingy but even stupider.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (mf5HN)

300 Imagine if Trump some how managed to squeak by with a popular vote win. That would blow some minds.

Posted by: Max Power at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (q177U)

301 Mitt and Crash McCain both took dives, imho.

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Yup.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (AzW6q)

302 "What is it about Spain that's such a draw for Steve Hayes and Jonah the Whale? Is it the tapas bars? What?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (ptqGC)"

Espana, it has many many men like the Paolo.

Posted by: The Paolo at March 19, 2019 03:50 PM (oZ6kz)

303 I suspect there are 21-year-old women who are more influential than Bulwark because they show off their shapely asses on Instagram.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at March 19, 2019 03:50 PM (JgA4k)

304 Any chance Castro could mount a real challenge to Cornyn in a presidential year in TX?

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 19, 2019 03:50 PM (wGbBR)

305 Does Bulwark actually have an audience of people who are interested in what they have to say? I mean apart from their own editorial staff.

Do they define their understanding of conservatism somewhere?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (JgA4k)
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We're totally signed up!

Posted by: Bot #30025 at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (vDqXW)

306 Mitt and Crash McCain both took dives, imho.



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Yup.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (AzW6q)


Romney's campaign staff confirmed that, after the first debate, Mittens himself ordered everyone to tone it down and pump the brakes.

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (mOPWe)

307 Any chance Castro could mount

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At 4' 6" he couldn't mount much of anything.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (sX1BW)

308 Imagine if Trump some how managed to squeak by with a popular vote win. That would blow some minds.
Posted by: Max Power at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (q177U)

A "popular-vote" win for a Republican is an electoral landslide. Like 40+ states.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (NYS7S)

309 Imagine if Trump some how managed to squeak by with a popular vote win. That would blow some minds.
Posted by: Max Power at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (q177U)
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I would breath such a huge sigh of relief that I might pass out. I think he has a very hard row to hoe for 2020. Unless we see the Dems self-immolate (spoiler alert: we won't) he has a good chance of losing or having it stolen. I have never been more nervous about an election - not even when the beast was running.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (I2dne)

310 by the way, now in the 64th hour of a fast begun on Saturday night. Near the middle of day three.

So far it's been super-easy, barely an inconvenience.

easiest first two or three days I've ever done.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (PbpT7)

311 Imagine if Trump won the popular vote!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (ufFY8)

312 He has gotten much fatter too. Might be meds.
Posted by: IC at March 19, 2019 03:48 PM (a0IVu)

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If he swells up anymore, he's gonna have to start using the service elevator.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (AzW6q)

313 Can I have any more sage advice on what is and is not false from this pack of abject fucking failures?

Perhaps another vilification session of HS students waiting for a bus?

Posted by: Winston Smith, contributing revisor at the Bulwark at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (6rX0K)

314 " I suspect there are 21-year-old women who are more influential than Bulwark because they show off their shapely asses on Instagram.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at March 19, 2019 03:50 PM (JgA4k)"

I bet those losers went to college, too.

Posted by: Olivia Jade at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (oZ6kz)

315 230 Is Socialism Really that Big of a Threat.

HO-LEE-SHIT

Conserving conservatism indeed.
Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2019 03:40 PM (jUVms)
***************
TDS has caused these idiots to jump the shark
Hopefully, The Bullwinkle sinks!

Posted by: redridinghood at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (hECVl)

316 I was born and grew up in CO. The state went left over my objections. I hate what my state has become. I would not dream of inflicting this set of failed governance on anyone.


Gah, I hate CO. I never thought I would say it. I loved this state and never wanted to leave until now.

It will get much worse before it gets better. I can see CO going the way of CA.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (0OmEj)

317 One question:

What is it about Spain that's such a draw for Steve Hayes and Jonah the Whale? Is it the tapas bars? What?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:49 PM (ptqGC)


You can go to Spanish Morocco and then slip into Morocco for a hike in the Atlas Mountains.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Break Progressive Minds with a Trumpinator From The Outrage Outlet! at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (hLRSq)

318 At the end of the press conference with Bolosarno some media dick asked Trump about McCain. The video is on the White House YouTube, but watch the last two minutes. Trump recites exactly what happened with McCain on health care, how he said he would pass it, then didn't at a point he knew it was too late to whip another vote. Trump states, I know why he did it", but doesn't get into that. He also states he's never going to back down. You actually get angry listening to all the crap that petty jackass McCain went though to screw the entire country.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (VpIIl)

319
He showed them up in 2016, and every day that he remains in office he shows them up. He was right and they are wrong. And being small, vain, petty persons they cannot stand that wound.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Break Progressive Minds with a Trumpinator From The Outrage Outlet! at March 19, 2019 03:47 PM (hLRSq)

It quite possibly drove National Review quite mad when there anybody but Trump issue had absolutely zero impact.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (JgA4k)

320 The Bulwark is roughly 1/10000th as politically influential as PewDiePie.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (oZ6kz)

321 And the entire Bush family can shut the hell up forever, too. They sure are big pals of the Obamas.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (ptqGC)

322 304 Any chance Castro could mount a real challenge to Cornyn in a presidential year in TX?
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 19, 2019 03:50 PM (wGbBR)

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They're taking Beto mania seriously, so I would expect Democrats to really try.

Cornyn, though, doesn't have the same problems as Cruz within the Republican Party and should probably see a relatively easy re-election.

Castro is also a funny looking dude, and probably won't generate the same kind of enthusiasm from big money donors, especially when the prospect is to get rid of Cornyn instead of Cruz.

So, a real effort, but not a gangbusters effort like with Beto.

Cornyn will win by at least 10 points, but we'll have so many stories about how Texas is turning blue no matter what.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (XSSCs)

323 easiest first two or three days I've ever done.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (PbpT7)

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Uh oh ... I sense a light content day a coming.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (sX1BW)

324 I suspect there are 21-year-old women who are more influential than Bulwark because they show off their shapely asses on Instagram.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at March 19, 2019 03:50 PM (JgA4k)"

Well, that's a service that provides some enjoyment, so there's that

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (M+Lyo)

325 TDS has caused these idiots to jump the shark
Hopefully, The Bullwinkle sinks!
Posted by: redridinghood at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (hECVl)
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I respectfully call bullshit on that. TDS has caused these idiots to present what they actually are to the public. No more and no less. This isn't some situational madness. This is who these people are.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (I2dne)

326 A "popular-vote" win for a Republican is an electoral landslide. Like 40+ states.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (NYS7S)
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It would be hilarious to see Colorado have to follow suit.

Posted by: Axeman at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (vDqXW)

327 >>>What is it about Spain that's such a draw for Steve Hayes and Jonah the Whale? Is it the tapas bars? What?

Can I point out an error you made here which really burns my beans?

Hayes is a chubby little porkchop himself. Being NeverTrump tends to pork people up.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (PbpT7)

328 >>One of the batshit Trump theories out there, and, no, I'm not talking the Melania is a literal whore that Trump picked out of a catalog one, is that Trump ran/is running a child sex trafficking ring.

It's like the pizza thingy but even stupider.



Think it's that the Jeffrey Epstein court docs are likely to be made public and they need to construct a "Trump and his pals are sex slavers" to counter what will be uncovered.

Posted by: BEN at March 19, 2019 03:53 PM (W+vEI)

329 The last time I saw Kristol on TV it looked like he was coming unglued.
..........

Were the buttons on his shirt holding?

Posted by: wth at March 19, 2019 03:53 PM (v0R5T)

330 "Do they define their understanding of conservatism somewhere?"

Well, sorta. But it's the omissions that are always interesting. They won't mention that they're open borders, and that they lied to you about that for years.

They won't mention that they're not pro-life, but only lied to you for years so that you'd give them money. They'll talk about how they're for "the rule of law," but not mention how that only means they want Trump jailed/impeached, and won't accept any other result. And when they say they're for limited government, they won't really tell you what they want to limit. Just take their word for it. Haven't they earned that trust?

Posted by: Ted K. at March 19, 2019 03:53 PM (S7j+0)

331 It should not be a surprise they are for socialism I guess. They deliberately decided to create a product nobody would buy and needs a billionaire socialist to support. If they and Ace were kids, Ace would be the one selling lemonade on your street, with an up charge for a splash of value rite. The Bulwark guys would be selling shit sandwiches and explaining why real smart kids eat shit.

Posted by: GregV61 at March 19, 2019 03:53 PM (FLpne)

332 Bottom line, the American electorate voted for a Democratic House, and at least three Senate seats out West that should not have gone Democrat did. It's my opinion that lots of angry Democrats voted in 2018 and a good number of Trump voters stayed home.

Even if Trump gets re-elected in 2020, will the electorate get tired in 2024 and hand power to the socialist Democrats? They got tired in Wisconsin and gave the boot to Scott Walker, as an example.

Oh, and Chiquita Krushchev/Donkey Chompers is eligible to run for President in 2024.

Posted by: mercenary13 at March 19, 2019 03:53 PM (kOdoV)

333 >>>Uh oh ... I sense a light content day a coming.


i feel okay right now. I'm not even thinking about food all that much.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:53 PM (PbpT7)

334 Unless we see the Dems self-immolate (spoiler alert:
we won't) he has a good chance of losing or having it stolen.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (I2dne)


Objection - Democrats didn't "steal" any elections in 2018. They flat out took 'em, in broad daylight, while the GOP watched.

Why wouldn't Democrats do the same thing again ? Sacred Honor ?

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (mOPWe)

335 I believe the style guide requires Senorita Steve Hayes.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (oZ6kz)

336 Ahoy, and a handful of pills!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (vtcmf)

337 easiest first two or three days I've ever done.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (PbpT7)

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What could possibly go wrong?
- Jeremy Clarkson

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (xyung)

338 It will get much worse before it gets better. I can see CO going the way of CA.
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NJ says once you go stinky you never go back.

Posted by: Puddin Head at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (2LelM)

339 Gah, I hate CO. I never thought I would say it. I loved this state and never wanted to leave until now.

It will get much worse before it gets better. I can see CO going the way of CA.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (0OmEj)
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Ditto. My parents are working on retiring and they were going over their plan with me. I pointed out that they could accelerate the whole thing if they were willing to move out of CO, as the Front Range has become very expensive.

My mom's eyes went wide at the suggestion. A few days later she told me, "I had never considered moving. I can't stop thinking about it. With what this place has become, it makes more sense than ever. I can't stand what is happening and I never stopped to think, 'I can leave.'"

Sad. Really, truly sad. I am in the same boat, though. I am building an exit plan.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (I2dne)

340 The Conservative Case for Struggle Sessions.

Posted by: Workers of Bull at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (vDqXW)

341 Ahoy, and a handful of pills!

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Sounds like a Jimmy Buffet song.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (sX1BW)

342 Hayes is a chubby little porkchop himself. Being NeverTrump tends to pork people up.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (PbpT7)
.........

They eat when they're stressed. And they've been stressed for two years.

Posted by: wth at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (v0R5T)

343 Somebody send that Bloated, Bulbous, Bloviating Turd KellyAnne Conway's husband a link to the Snake Diet Guys website and a shirt that reads "Carbs are Bad", before he explodes.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (VpIIl)

344 Any chance Castro could mount

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At 4' 6" he couldn't mount much of anything.
Posted by: SH


Chihuahuas.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (21UM+)

345 "Chiquita Krushchev"

hah

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (PbpT7)

346 Kamala recently called Trump an anti-Semite, I guess because that will counter the actual fountain of anti-Jew coming from the Democrats, somehow?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (39g3+)

347 You actually get angry listening to all the crap that petty jackass McCain went though to screw the entire country.


Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (VpIIl)


I remember his idiot daughter when she was on Fox telling everyone we HAD to overturn Obamacare because people in AZ were seeing insurance increases of 115% or something.

She was strangely silent after Daddy Dear screwed us all over.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (ptqGC)

348 "I'm leaving this state because of taxes, and regulation, and..."

"If you end up moving away, remember why you're moving away from Colorado and why you're moving to someone with lower taxes and less business regulation."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:44 PM (XSSCs)


See "As Bay Area moves left, these conservative voters move out"

Homeowners eventually warm to the conversation, she said. And they go there — anger at welfare programs and weak immigration enforcement. “Politics is definitely a big one,” Jamison said. “They want to feel a sense of community again.”

In her marketing materials, Jamison spells out the top reasons for leaving the Bay Area: “Liberties — From gun control to rent control to vaccinations and home schooling, sellers are finding fewer restrictions on their way of life among other states.”

https://tinyurl.com/y6l4cbcf

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (6b1dn)

349 Trump is a true centrist in what we can probably call the "classical" sense on the pre-madness 20th century. That this platform - a platform that is, if we're being fair, pretty centrist and milquetoast - has resulted in this reaction shows you how radical and insane the Left *and* the Center have become.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:34 PM (I2dne)


Conservatism is the centrist position, because it's basically, "hey, don't fuck with things too much!" The left was anchored by progressivism, while the right was anchored by libertarianism. Blue collar conservatives went Dem for several decades after WWII because of the New Deal and the distrust of big business. White collar conservatives went GOP out of fear of communism and because they liked seeing their retirement accounts grow. Since the 90s and the fall of the USSR those allegiences started to slip.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (wCmLp)

350
I just love the assumption that a little socialism won't progress to a totalitarian state.

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As I like to point out to my West Coast Libtard Brother...... find a way to make "socialist" policies non-cumpulsory and Ill sign up.

Pisses him off it does.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 19, 2019 03:45 PM (8XRCm)








All laws are force. The way to evaluate any law's legitimacy or desirability is to ask yourself "is this law worth putting a gun to someone's head to enforce?"

Because all law comes down to having armed agents of the government pull their guns on you to ensure compliance or to take you into custody. Even seemingly innocuous but annoying laws like running a nail salon without a cosmetology license. Keep doing it after being cited a couple of times and a platoon of armed cops WILL come into your shop to shut you down.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (veoSD)

351 Objection - Democrats didn't "steal" any elections in 2018. They flat out took 'em, in broad daylight, while the GOP watched.

Why wouldn't Democrats do the same thing again ? Sacred Honor ?

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 03:54 PM (mOPWe)
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Theft in the light of day is still theft. It's just a more contemptuous and cynical form of it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (I2dne)

352 >> I'm not even thinking about food all that much.


Eat Your Mushrooms!

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (xHsS4)

353 Having other men fuck your wife also leaves a lot more time for snacking. Plus she doesn't have to even try to pretend that your shitty doughy body doesn't make her drier than the Aral Sea.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (oZ6kz)

354 I think the Socialism Forever crowd owes it to the people of Venezuela to go there and fix everything. They could show the world that ,if the right people are in charge, Socialism works. America is not broken, so it doesn't need fixing. Venezuela is broken. Bernie owes it to the world to fix it.

Posted by: Chillin the most at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (lonOK)

355 346 Kamala recently called Trump an anti-Semite, I guess because that will counter the actual fountain of anti-Jew coming from the Democrats, somehow?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (39g3+)

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I wouldn't be surprised that a majority of Democrats' reaction to their own anti-Semitism is some for of whataboutism.

They have to deflect or actually deal with the issue, and they're not actually going to deal with the issue.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (XSSCs)

356 Oh, and Chiquita Krushchev/Donkey Chompers is eligible to run for President in 2024.
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She will be flat on her ass in 2020. Nanzi's knives are already out. Its merely a matter of time.

Posted by: Puddin Head at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (2LelM)

357 It's my opinion that lots of angry Democrats voted in 2018 and a good number of Trump voters stayed home.

Posted by: mercenary13 at March 19, 2019 03:53 PM (kOdoV)
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You also have to account for the record number of Republicans who simply walked away from seats.

Posted by: Axeman at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (vDqXW)

358 Conservatism is the centrist position, because it's basically, "hey, don't fuck with things too much!"

Correct, the far right is anarchy, where you burn down the government and spraypaint everything.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (39g3+)

359 >>Hayes is a chubby little porkchop himself. Being NeverTrump tends to pork people up.


It's the Pancakes.

Posted by: Barbara Streisand at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (xHsS4)

360 Correct, the far right is anarchy, where you burn down the government and spraypaint everything

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Take away the spraypainting and it doesn't sound that bad.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2019 03:57 PM (sX1BW)

361 358 Conservatism is the centrist position, because it's basically, "hey, don't fuck with things too much!"

Correct, the far right is anarchy, where you burn down the government and spraypaint everything.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (39g3+)

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If you ain't anarcho-capitalist, you're a communist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 03:57 PM (XSSCs)

362 Partly maybe for embarrassing them by giving the game away (in as much as the Bulwark guys don't even hide the fact that they're partisan Democrats now)


The Krazy Kristol Krew has become nothing but trolls now. It's hard to keep up the 'principles!!' scam when people in your club keep sending in libs to cover CPAC and the like, while everybody knows they're taking Omidyar money.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 19, 2019 03:57 PM (oVJmc)

363 >>One of the batshit Trump theories out there, and, no, I'm not talking the Melania is a literal whore that Trump picked out of a catalog one, is that Trump ran/is running a child sex trafficking ring.

>>It's like the pizza thingy but even stupider.

And yet as we speak former Clinton associates and donors are on trial for among other things chid sex trafficking.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 19, 2019 03:57 PM (/tuJf)

364 The last bit of youth that is keeping AOC sorta-cute is going to be well behind her by 2024, so even the tight sweaters won't save her.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 03:58 PM (oZ6kz)

365 Bill Kristol in 2008, with regard to Cheney cursing out Pat Leahy, and telling him to go fuck himself:

"No spin. No doubletalk. A cogent defense of his action -and one that shows a well-considered sense of justice. ("I thought he merited it.") Indeed, if justice is seeking to give each his due, one might say that Dick Cheney aspires to being a just man. And a thoughtful one, because he knows that justice is sometimes too harsh, and should be tempered by civility."

Funny how that standard shifted for Trump.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 03:58 PM (AzW6q)

366 If I fasted more than 20 hours I'd pass out

Posted by: Skip at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (BbGew)

367 "She was strangely silent after Daddy Dear screwed us all over.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (ptqGC)"
I could manage some respect if she got on and said, "you know my dad wan't perfect and he was wrong on this" or "we disagreed on it". But instead it's a whole phony effort to make him something he wasn't, bleat on TV and then obviously binge eat to cover the guilt of being a fraud.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (VpIIl)

368 I'm more worried about anti-1A and anti-2A totalitarianism than I am worried about socialism. We've got social security, medicaid, medicare, obamacare, emtala, snap/ebt, govt-subsidized-and-mandated housing for poor, etc etc. We're essentially socialists already.

If you're worried about socialism (as an economic system) nuking the USA, I suggest that you worry about our CURRENT level of spending and borrowing. This profligate spending and astronomical debt will destroy us as surely as socialism will.

(No I'm not slamming Trump for this spending. It takes a TEAM EFFORT, all parties, all citizens, to overspend like we do. I contend there isn't one single politician or voter alive who cares to do anything effective to stop it.)

Posted by: gp at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (mk9aG)

369 >>The last bit of youth that is keeping AOC sorta-cute is going to be well behind her by 2024, so even the tight sweaters won't save her.


Unsightly Nipple Hairs are just around the corner.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (xHsS4)

370 The last bit of youth that is keeping AOC sorta-cute is going to be well behind her by 2024, so even the tight sweaters won't save her.


Even the tight sweaters are a few years ago already.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (oVJmc)

371 355 346 Kamala recently called Trump an anti-Semite, I guess because that will counter the actual fountain of anti-Jew coming from the Democrats, somehow?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (39g3+)
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Brown Dwarves will say anything. Its just the way it is.

Posted by: Puddin Head at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (2LelM)

372 It might be better to let them just have the label "conservative" since they have done a fair bit to tarnish it already.

If they want conserve their "conservatism" of mindless Chamber of Commerce corporatism and bloodthirst for endless wars, let'em.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (hdzef)

373 TDS has caused these idiots to present what they actually are to the public. No more and no less. This isn't some situational madness. This is who these people are.

I'd agree, with the caveat that in many cases they were lying to themselves about being conservative before, and now are lying *slightly differently* to themselves about how they are the real conservatives, in such a way that from the outside reveals they are running around with no pants. They were always in assless chaps, but they know they have pants on. They're quite sure.

From their perspective, nothing has changed. Their distemper and dementia and mania are extremely similar to how they were before, but now revealed. It makes them angrier and more insane that we notice, because it's All You Plebes who changed, not them.

Posted by: Sporkatus at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (HtLSE)

374 I mean there is no way gay marriage leads to the end of women's sports.

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This is such a great (in a good way) post that it's probably going to end up in my name field.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (xyung)

375 >>If I fasted more than 20 hours I'd pass out


Low blood sugar makes me stabby.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (xHsS4)

376 Anyone who thinks AOC, based on her own statements, isn't a power hungry, love to control your life bitch---is nuts.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (jUVms)

377 Drumpfenkoenig



Nice.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (rwVFm)

378 Socialism is economic control, meaning control of everything, really. America was not really founded for capitalism, but for religious (Christian) liberty.


When there are good laws to protect the individual, capitalism can thrive (within our borders). When foreign nations want to trade, we decide if it is good for us, including for our workers. WallStreet took control and wants slave labor in China, for their profit.


Globalism wants global economic control, by way of the 20 too big to fail/jail banks. They will control monetary policy and punish nations at their will. USA would not be allowed to favor Christian ideology over commies or jihadists ... and AmericaFirst is their enemy.


Theoretical Socialism doesn't exist, just like the Utopian Communism arguments are useless distractions. Americans have to decide if they want liberty or cheap tech toys, but tyranny. (cheap because even "global capitalism" means our blue collar workers end up making the same as the China blue collar worker. Not what we signed up for.)

Let Freedom Reign.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (Cus5s)

379 Oh, and Chiquita Krushchev/Donkey Chompers is eligible to run for President in 2024.
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She will be flat on her ass in 2020. Nanzi's knives are already out. Its merely a matter of time.
Posted by: Puddin Head at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (2LelM)

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This is my opinion as well. Add in her -13 voter rating in NY with those she screwed with the Amazon pull out, and I see a well funded challenger coming her way. Sure, outside money could always help her, but enough? Dunno.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (ffYR/)

380 I voted today on our island's potential incorporation and becoming a town.

When our new, young, prog editor (from up north, too) of our increasingly prog newspaper came out against our incorporation, well that made things easy.


I voted "yes" to incorporate.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (ptqGC)

381 DRINK WATER ACE

Re: Beto, someone had an utterly brutal statement. The hottest moment of the 2020 Dem debates will be when Corey Booker looks at Beto and says that Beto's father got Beto off for a crime that if Booker had done it, Booker would have gone to jail.


Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (mf5HN)

382 Theft in the light of day is still theft. It's just a more contemptuous and cynical form of it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (I2dne)

It's also the point where injury crosses into insult. Those of us of Scottish descent tend to take severe umbrage at such things.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (J+mig)

383 Meow!
Susan Li of the nice lips is showing some leg today on FBN.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 19, 2019 04:01 PM (ufFY8)

384 I could manage some respect if she got on and said, "you know my dad wan't perfect and he was wrong on this" or "we disagreed on it". But instead it's a whole phony effort to make him something he wasn't

Sometimes daddy is so much an angel and perfect that little girls just cannot see past it. My uncle was a thief, a liar, and a loser, but his kids think he was the greatest man who ever lived. Because they believed every one of his contradictory, absurd lies.

Unsightly Nipple Hairs are just around the corner.

Well sure, they're opening for Aerosmith at the Palladium

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 04:01 PM (39g3+)

385 If you're worried about socialism (as an economic
system) nuking the USA, I suggest that you worry about our CURRENT level
of spending and borrowing. This profligate spending and astronomical
debt will destroy us as surely as socialism will.




Posted by: gp at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (mk9aG)


Worry about it ? Hell - it's our ultimate Get Out Of Socialist Utopia Free Card. I'd be more worried if I thought the pricks in charge of all this could keep it going.

Posted by: NFTG at March 19, 2019 04:01 PM (mOPWe)

386 339 Gah, I hate CO. I never thought I would say it. I loved this state and never wanted to leave until now.

It will get much worse before it gets better. I can see CO going the way of CA.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at March 19, 2019 03:51 PM (0OmEj)
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Ditto. My parents are working on retiring and they were going over their plan with me. I pointed out that they could accelerate the whole thing if they were willing to move out of CO, as the Front Range has become very expensive.

My mom's eyes went wide at the suggestion. A few days later she told me, "I had never considered moving. I can't stop thinking about it. With what this place has become, it makes more sense than ever. I can't stand what is happening and I never stopped to think, 'I can leave.'"

Sad. Really, truly sad. I am in the same boat, though. I am building an exit plan.


Yep, I'm in the same boat. Can't believe I'm thinking of leaving my beloved Fort Collins. But I'm thinking about leaving CO altogether. The Calis are winning.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 19, 2019 04:01 PM (4AeKb)

387 379 This is my opinion as well. Add in her -13 voter rating in NY with those she screwed with the Amazon pull out, and I see a well funded challenger coming her way. Sure, outside money could always help her, but enough? Dunno.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (ffYR/)

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She's still gonna be governor of NY in 10 years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 04:01 PM (XSSCs)

388 Conservatism is the centrist position, because it's basically, "hey, don't fuck with things too much!" The left was anchored by progressivism, while the right was anchored by libertarianism. Blue collar conservatives went Dem for several decades after WWII because of the New Deal and the distrust of big business. White collar conservatives went GOP out of fear of communism and because they liked seeing their retirement accounts grow. Since the 90s and the fall of the USSR those allegiences started to slip.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 19, 2019 03:55 PM (wCmLp)
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I think a major problem with contemporary conservatism is that it has more of a sea anchor than a real anchor.

A real anchor - like, say, the freaking Constitution - is an absolute point around which (or a lens through which) you can weigh your positions and decisions.

A sea anchor, though, holds a relative position instead of an absolute one. The conservative sea anchor means that the goal becomes to preserve/conserve the world as it is *now* - not as it should be according to first principles. Every time the Left moves the ball down the field, the sea-anchor conservatives go from fighting it to *defending* it against further Leftward moves.*

*Not the Cuckshed Crew. They're just leftists.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 04:02 PM (I2dne)

389 My mom's eyes went wide at the suggestion. A few days later she told me, "I had never considered moving. I can't stop thinking about it. With what this place has become, it makes more sense than ever.

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Just had this exact same conversation with my folks.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 19, 2019 04:02 PM (AzW6q)

390 Low blood sugar makes me stabby.

Yeah me too. It makes me a snarly, rage-stroking monster. So does high blood sugar. I bet I'd be a mean drunk, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 04:02 PM (39g3+)

391 370 The last bit of youth that is keeping AOC sorta-cute is going to be well behind her by 2024, so even the tight sweaters won't save her.


Even the tight sweaters are a few years ago already.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

saggers almost to the elbows now.

Posted by: x at March 19, 2019 04:02 PM (nFwvY)

392 Because all law comes down to having armed agents of the government pull their guns on you to ensure compliance or to take you into custody.

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I saw a news report where someone was charged the price of a new car because he had the gall to trim the trees on his property.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 19, 2019 04:02 PM (xyung)

393 DRINK WATER ACE

Re: Beto, someone had an utterly brutal statement. The hottest moment of the 2020 Dem debates will be when Corey Booker looks at Beto and says that Beto's father got Beto off for a crime that if Booker had done it, Booker would have gone to jail.


Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (mf5HN)


I'd imagine that every candidate is sharpening the knives. They remember 2008, and they're not about to let some vapid pretty-boy get in their way.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 19, 2019 04:03 PM (wCmLp)

394 She's still gonna be governor of NY in 10 years.
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For certain values of NY that are more commonly associated with John Carpenter.

Posted by: Adolph H. at March 19, 2019 04:03 PM (v6eK5)

395 nood

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 04:03 PM (q8oeS)

396 387 379 This is my opinion as well. Add in her -13 voter rating in NY with those she screwed with the Amazon pull out, and I see a well funded challenger coming her way. Sure, outside money could always help her, but enough? Dunno.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (ffYR/)

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She's still gonna be governor of NY in 10 years.
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Nah. In 10 years NY will be run by the Chinese. The ChingChongs don't give a shit about Puerto Ricans.

Posted by: Puddin Head at March 19, 2019 04:03 PM (2LelM)

397 kristol is a scam artist. a very poor one. nothing more. not worth my time.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 19, 2019 04:03 PM (KP5rU)

398 Lets see how this works...

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I mean there is no way gay marriage leads to the end of women's sports. at March 19, 2019 04:03 PM (xyung)

399 387 379 This is my opinion as well. Add in her -13 voter rating in NY with those she screwed with the Amazon pull out, and I see a well funded challenger coming her way. Sure, outside money could always help her, but enough? Dunno.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (ffYR/)

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She's still gonna be governor of NY in 10 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 04:01 PM (XSSCs)

It's definitely going to be one of those trajectories. One way or another she's not going to be in the House very long - perhaps just long enough to start collecting that sweet, sweet pension - assuming she survives an almost certain primary challenge in 2020.

Deep benches in these deep blue districts. I'm sure there are plenty of state reps and state senators who feel they missed their shot and AOC cut the line.

Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2019 04:03 PM (NYS7S)

400 333 i feel okay right now. I'm not even thinking about food all that much.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2019 03:53 PM (PbpT7)


You mentioned 'pork chop' in your previous comment.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 19, 2019 04:04 PM (Z4rgH)

401 I saw a news report where someone was charged the price of a new car because he had the gall to trim the trees on his property.

In Oregon, its literally illegal to store too much water on your property. And in my town, they charge you for estimates of water runoff from your property into the drains.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 04:04 PM (39g3+)

402 >> "She was strangely silent after Daddy Dear screwed us all over.



In an article about the HBO McCain documentary, it describes how McCain worked with the documentary team to make that a dramatic moment of the film. He knew exactly what he was doing, and that is why he went for the showy thumbs-down vote as the cameras rolled.

I would imagine she was silent because she knew this was choreographed to be the climactic moment of daddy dearest's documentary, a giant FU to Trump and all the "whack-o birds" who voted for him. Think Meghan is on board with that sentiment.

Posted by: BEN at March 19, 2019 04:04 PM (W+vEI)

403 393 I'd imagine that every candidate is sharpening the knives. They remember 2008, and they're not about to let some vapid pretty-boy get in their way.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 19, 2019 04:03 PM (wCmLp)

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It's going to be a brutal primary.

But they will still come together to fight OrangeManBad.

When they lose to him, though, knives will be back out. Blood will be shed. Popcorn will be eaten in massive quantities.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 04:04 PM (q8oeS)

404 Even the tight sweaters are a few years ago already.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles



saggers almost to the elbows now.

Posted by: x at March 19, 2019 04:02 PM (nFwvY)

Not long before they get to abuela stage.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 19, 2019 04:04 PM (ufFY8)

405 This is my opinion as well. Add in her -13 voter rating in NY with those she screwed with the Amazon pull out, and I see a well funded challenger coming her way. Sure, outside money could always help her, but enough? Dunno.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (ffYR/)

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She's still gonna be governor of NY in 10 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at March 19, 2019 04:01 PM (XSSCs)

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Could be, if they are stoopid enough to go that route.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 19, 2019 04:04 PM (ffYR/)

406 I once went four days only eating what I could forage and kill with a knife, a de facto fast. You would be surprised what looks edible at that point.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 04:05 PM (VpIIl)

407 Beto, someone had an utterly brutal statement. The hottest moment of the 2020 Dem debates will be when Corey Booker looks at Beto and says that Beto's father got Beto off for a crime that if Booker had done it, Booker would have gone to jail.


Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (mf5HN)

I'd imagine that every candidate is sharpening the knives. They remember 2008, and they're not about to let some vapid pretty-boy get in their way.
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Going to be a lot of white Privilege to be apologized for, which is why Joe Biden is going to have a really detailed plan for Reparations.

(I'm not even sure that's sarcastic)

Posted by: simplemind at March 19, 2019 04:05 PM (j7LXV)

408 Correct, the far right is anarchy, where you burn down the government and spraypaint everything.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (39g3+)
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And that's where you have our direction confusions. Extreme conservatives would be like political hoarders--Don't change a thing!.

Burning everything down is change, and radical change to boot! So if that is "extreme right" (and I doubt that it is) then "conservatism" not ≅ "right".

Posted by: Axeman at March 19, 2019 04:05 PM (vDqXW)

409 Government is not reason, it is not eloquence - it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.

Posted by: The Original GW at March 19, 2019 04:05 PM (rwVFm)

410 All laws are force. The way to evaluate any law's legitimacy or desirability is to ask yourself "is this law worth putting a gun to someone's head to enforce?"

Because all law comes down to having armed agents of the government pull their guns on you to ensure compliance or to take you into custody.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2019 03:56 PM (veoSD)


Reds bleat about oppression, but the whole purpose of society is to oppress some people. The question is: which people?

A well-ordered society oppresses criminals, perverts, ne'er-do-wells, and other antisocial types.

A leftist-run society, by failing to oppress the above, instead by default oppresses decent, hard-working, law-abiding taxpayers.

Look at SF. Who is oppressed? The bums crapping on the sidewalks and shooting up, or the decent people having to navigate the feces and needles on their way to work to help pay for programs for the bums?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 04:06 PM (6b1dn)

411 368 Posted by: gp at March 19, 2019 03:59 PM (mk9aG)
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There are two kinds of communists fighting for control of America and the world right now. There are the good old fashioned economic communists (the Leninists like Sanders and Warren) and the cultural Marxists (the Maoists in the identity politics group).

Right now, at this moment in time, you're right - the Maoists would win without opposition from what remains of the Right. They are allied against the Right for now.

I don't want to know who would actually win the fight. If we get to that point, I'm dead.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 04:06 PM (I2dne)

412 I once went four days only eating what I could forage and kill with a knife, a de facto fast. You would be surprised what looks edible at that point.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 04:05 PM (VpIIl)



I did that once, but it was easy because Oreos don't fight back.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 19, 2019 04:07 PM (wCmLp)

413 Worry about massive voter fraud, though.
Posted by: Old Dude at March 19, 2019 03:15 PM (LGXGf


Yes; this.

Dems expect to win the popular vote in the next presidential election. Do they believe this because Clinton "won" the popular vote last time, or because they have a huge cheating apparatus in place?

Posted by: Emmie at March 19, 2019 04:07 PM (4HMW8)

414 >>>You've got the Max Boots who don't seem to understand the meaning of the term except insofar as it lets them start 'nation building' exercises almost certain to fail.
Posted by: JEM at March 19, 2019 03:30 PM (8erNz)
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It's not about Nation building. It's about "The People's Revolution"

We were Trotskyist then and we're Trotskyists now. We're just wrapping it "Bring Democracy to Wherever" instead of "Workers Revolution"

Same shit.

Posted by: Neo-con Liberal Imperialists at March 19, 2019 04:07 PM (wQMQx)

415 None of TV peeps are telling their viewers the reason that Trump is so pissed at Mclame is he was involved in a conspiracy to fatally wound him politically. They just ignore that fact

Posted by: REDACTED at March 19, 2019 04:08 PM (RZ6R1)

416 I'd imagine that every candidate is sharpening the knives. They remember 2008, and they're not about to let some vapid pretty-boy get in their way.

The probability that the Democrat hopefuls can eschew personal attacks must be virtually nil. Even if they agree beforehand not to do engage in such, someone who is just out of the running will resort to personal attacks as a "Hail Mary" attempt, and then it's on. Oh yes, it's SO on.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 19, 2019 04:08 PM (6b1dn)

417 303 I suspect there are 21-year-old women who are more influential than Bulwark because they show off their shapely asses on Instagram.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at March 19, 2019 03:50 PM (JgA4k)

Nobody wants to see Kristol's doughy ass on Instagram or anywhere else.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 19, 2019 04:10 PM (NWiLs)

418 nood antisemitic education

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 04:10 PM (I2dne)

419 Is Neal Cavuto boning Shep ?

Posted by: REDACTED at March 19, 2019 04:10 PM (RZ6R1)

420
I saw a Venezuela stat that was worth repeating. GDP cut in half the past five years.

The only way the current administration there is surviving is by 'thugging up' with a mix of Cuban soldiers and motorcycle gangs.

Never, never, ever, ever give up your guns. Those Cubans and motorcycle gangs would be a chalk outline on the sidewalk in these slightly United States right now.

But private ownership of guns was outlawed in Venezuela. 2011 or 2012.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 19, 2019 04:10 PM (jYje5)

421 412 I once went four days only eating what I could forage and kill with a knife, a de facto fast. You would be surprised what looks edible at that point.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 04:05 PM (VpIIl)



I did that once, but it was easy because Oreos don't fight back.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 19, 2019 04:07 PM (wCmLp)

That's because they're white on the inside.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 19, 2019 04:10 PM (NWiLs)

422 "Re: Beto, someone had an utterly brutal statement. The hottest moment of the 2020 Dem debates will be when Corey Booker looks at Beto and says that Beto's father got Beto off for a crime that if Booker had done it, Booker would have gone to jail.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 19, 2019 04:00 PM (mf5HN)"

Yup, Booker would DEFINITELY have gone to jail if Kamala were the prosecutor - she loves locking up brown people.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 19, 2019 04:11 PM (oZ6kz)

423 It should not be a surprise they are for socialism I guess. They deliberately decided to create a product nobody would buy and needs a billionaire socialist to support. If they and Ace were kids, Ace would be the one selling lemonade on your street, with an up charge for a splash of value rite. The Bulwark guys would be selling shit sandwiches and explaining why real smart kids eat shit.
Posted by: GregV61

Kaboom! The official breakfast food of The Bulwark!!

Posted by: Winston Smith, contributing revisor at the Bulwark at March 19, 2019 04:11 PM (6rX0K)

424 "Going to be a lot of white Privilege to be apologized for, which is why Joe Biden is going to have a really detailed plan for Reparations."

He'll look at the old Chappelle Show skit as his guide.

Posted by: Ted K. at March 19, 2019 04:11 PM (fhxSN)

425 Not surprised the turncoats running 'The Bulwark' embraced socialism. I expected it. Did not, however, expect that Nazi smear against VDH. I suspect I know why I did it, and hate them for it.

Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2019 04:15 PM (1JpTT)

426 370 The last bit of youth that is keeping AOC sorta-cute is going to be well behind her by 2024, so even the tight sweaters won't save her.


Even the tight sweaters are a few years ago already.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

saggers almost to the elbows now.

Posted by: x at March 19, 2019 04:02 PM (nFwvY)
........

I see Pelosi bras in her future.

Posted by: wth at March 19, 2019 04:16 PM (v0R5T)

427 91 I'm not going to click over to the Bulshit
Posted by: JEM at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (8erNz)

heh

Posted by: m at March 19, 2019 04:19 PM (ZfNws)

428 Why 'they' did it, I mean. Shouldn't type when I'm angry. This is the first I've heard of the attack on VDH.

Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2019 04:20 PM (1JpTT)

429 I once went four days only eating what I could forage and kill with a knife, a de facto fast. You would be surprised what looks edible at that point.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2019 04:05 PM (VpIIl)

I attended 18th Airborne Corps Recondo School lo these many decades ago. There was a SERE phase. We ate grubs and worms and the pulp on the inside of white pine bark. And then I set up a rabbit snare that actually worked, which made me hero for a day.

Worms don't taste like anything, which is a good thing.

Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2019 04:24 PM (1JpTT)

430 Bulwark.com Sellers of flame resistant apparel.

Posted by: Marica at March 19, 2019 04:25 PM (LaigM)

431 Liberalism is a mental disease AND a defect. Subject to M'Naghten test for insanity.... Laboring under such a defect of reason or disease of the mind that the afflicted knows not the nature and quality of the act or whether the act is wrong.

They just spontaneously react....Orangemanbad, walls don't work, it's for the children, they just come here to work, what DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!! etc

Posted by: torabora at March 19, 2019 04:25 PM (Y274z)

432 "''This'' time, I will drink deeply from the cup of power and not get drunk" -- Every Socialist and Dictator, Every Time

Posted by: T at March 19, 2019 04:26 PM (pQC9E)

433 low-iq boomers corralled into the cringe-pen of muh socialisums, but when texas turns blue in 2024 your opinion will no longer be relevant

Posted by: dw at March 19, 2019 04:35 PM (stPAM)

434 The Bullwinkle has officially and predictably descended now into Ace's "drunken hobo fuck pile." One can only hope that this retard black hole of clowns sucks down the other never trumpers hanging on by their finger tips at the event horizon its stupidity...

Posted by: Boswell at March 19, 2019 04:43 PM (32YRo)

435
The conventional wisdom, as far as I know, is that this co-opting of the Republican Party by non-conservatives (or, at most generous, semi-conservatives) began in earnest under Reagan. In that era, the Democrats - who used to (at least on paper) be for immigration control, blue collar advocacy, etc. - got consumed by actual hardcore Leftists and outright communist sympathizers. This is where the "Reagan Democrats" came from - they didn't necessarily love conservatism and often were not conservatives in a practical sense, but they viewed the Soviet apologetics or outright Soviet advocacy of the increasingly corrupt Democrat party as going too far and forcing them out.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 19, 2019 03:24 PM (I2dne)

Not quite so - Republicans weren't "conservative" by modern notions as a party pre-Reagan. The country-club set was just as offended by an actor taking over and facing down the Soviets rather than having detante as nowdays they are over Trump. And they let everyone know it, but like then they were ridden out of the party since Reagan won. That's when media started to become exclusively D, and then after Reagan moved on they came back to try and work their way into the party again as "neocons" or whatever. But the hatred of the middle american base and clear talk and common sense remained.

The Bulwark set is just the same fungus in the intellectual set. Buckley had his principles, these dudes never had any. They parroted him when he ran things, now they just parrot what gets them paid.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 19, 2019 04:52 PM (FTPn0)

436 Meaning they'll be first against the wall when the left's revolution comes...

such is the arc of history.
Posted by: SturmToddler


The only question will be who gets them first...

Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I ain't recommending shit at the moment at March 19, 2019 05:01 PM (lLeln)

437 It quite possibly drove National Review quite mad when there anybody but Trump issue had absolutely zero impact.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at March 19, 2019 03:52 PM (JgA4k)

Even when NR was around with Buckley, its real influence was very limited outside their own circle. They followed the lead of other people, and if they didn't nobody cared.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 19, 2019 05:04 PM (FTPn0)

438 "When we defeat an enemy, we tend to their wounded and treat captives humanely. But traitors? Traitors we hang"

Oh fun times - today a NeverTrumper lectured me to support GOP Cucks for the good of the party. Like a member of MoveOn pushing #MeToo. Not a shred of self-awareness.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at March 19, 2019 06:39 PM (EeUOL)

439 A few weeks ago I did parody of cucks writing articles like "Socialism: is it really so bad?". And now the Bulwark has it as an op-ed.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at March 19, 2019 06:47 PM (EeUOL)

440 "We're not Commies, we're just against anti-Communists!"--Democrats since forever.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 19, 2019 07:20 PM (Ndje9)

441 "...a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system."

Yeah, the green new deal is literally a planned economy step. Rather, it is a HUGE step. She wants the government to control the means of production of energy, which is among the largest and most essential sectors in the world economy. And for that matter, the means of production for food. What, you think being able to say you can't grow cows isn't control? She also wants the government to control the means of production of education, and the means of production of health. Isn't that like, 50% of the non-government economy?

The green idiots have been calling for the ability to prosecute global warming deniers. Is this not pretty much aligned with the show trials concept? The microaggressions, the enemies lists from the sorts at SPLC and similar. It isn't headed in that direction? Don't be fucking naive. You give in and they'll find the reason to prosecute you, don't worry.

And the gulag system? Socialism is that from top to bottom. The ONLY difference is how obedient you are. If you're really obedient, they'll only hold you down with a thin rope, if you aren't, it becomes guns and a thick chain. The people who became nuclear engineers in the Soviet Union? People who had good scores in certain areas were forcibly assigned that work. Their preferences and interests didn't matter, and neither will yours. You won't be working for yourself or your own interests. You won't own yourself either. You would be a slave to a state that looks at you much the same way as a rancher views his cattle. When you're good and healthy, you'll be cared for. When you become troublesome, you become hamburger.

In any case, the bad effects of leftists and socialism are the above, but socialism itself simply can't work. The closest thing to socialism that can work is a market economy. Not very close you say? Yep. And yet it is still the closest thing. Socialism is just that bad.

Posted by: DaveM at March 19, 2019 07:59 PM (WWC3Y)

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