How I Went from Trump Curious to Anti-Trump

I figure I owe an explanation, in case anyone cares.

I'll just note that John Nolte has now laid out the facts and witness reports in the Fields incident.

Now, Nolte has been an indefatigueable defender of Trump.

I don't think he wanted to do this -- I think he wants Trump to succeed, and I think he wants Trump to do all the right things to succeed.

I think he felt he had to do this, because Trump had embarrassed him into doing it. To preserve his own self-respect, he had to do this.

The other day a friend asked me why I was posting negative stuff on Trump. I told him, basically, that everyone has their threshold of embarrassment. I can mock the Upper Middle Class Respectable set for having what I think is a way-too-high sensitivity to embarrassment -- usually one strongly shaped by leftwing PC codes --but everyone has their own level.

It's embarrassing, to me, that at this late date Trump can only sputter about "getting rid of the lines" at a debate when asked about his health care plan.

It's embarrassing, to me personally, when I'm is repeatedly confronted with the fact that Trump still seems to not know the contents of the Sessions Immigration Plan on his own website -- the whole reason I even began to be "Trump Curious," as I term it.

If a plan could be nominated for president, I'd vote for the Sessions Immigration Plan.

It's personally embarrassing to discover that Trump is nearly entirely unaware of the only reason I entertained supporting him.

I've said it a hundred times: People will not vote for, nor support, something they feel reduces their own sense of self-worth. Or which brings shame upon them.

This business can be ignored or spun as "no big deal, so what, a white girl got bruises," but around the country, more and more people are probably going to find out that Trump keeps exceeding their own Personal Embarrassment Threshold.

There is no way to prove what I'm about to say. But for those mystified as to how someone could go from Trump Curious to Trump Opposed, here it is:

You can read Trump in two different ways. You can see his bluster and lack of any policy knowledge as refreshing. You can see his hyperpersonal style and enormous ego as somehow "authentic."

On the other hand, you can see a guy who's entire life is devoted to persuading people to get into business with him. A salesman, trying to make a sale. And you can start to see that the salesman really has no interest in his actual product, and no real intent to abide by the terms of the contract. A salesman who is just willing to say whatever he needs you to say to sign the dotted line -- and who will decide on a case-by-case basis whether or not to abide by those contract terms, should they become inconvenient later.

The thing is, while I can't make anyone see this way, I can tell you I went from being a Type 1 person to a Type 2 person. I would waver between these views of Trump, but then eventually I was won to the Type 2 way of seeing things, and now that I see it, I can't not see it.

So that's what happened with me. Now, when people talk about the Wall and stuff to me, I just sort of shrug -- I have no real sense Trump intends to do any of that. It's a sales pitch, he's saying what he thinks what I want to hear, but after I sign the contract, he'll observe it as he deems fit.

And I sense he craves popularity, so I sense he'll do the things that increase his popularity. The wall's controversial, and I don't see him being able to give a compelling case for it to make it popular.

Oh, he'll make some desultory efforts. Like his desultory efforts to even read Sessions' Immigration Plan.

And then he'll just abandon it, as he's abandoned many of his ventures.

People keep saying he's a fighter, but what is fighting for? Is he actually spending any time to make a convincing case on immigration?

Or is he just fighting for himself?

The fact that Trump can't be bowed by pressure is a good thing, generally, and I get why that's an attractive thing that fills people with hopefulness about him.

But there's a downside of that, too. While people might like a politician who can't be pressured by liberals and hostile opponents, I think they'd also prefer someone who can be pressured by they themselves, and by allies.

I guess it's a package deal -- someone who just doesn't care about other people's opinions inevitably also doesn't care about yours.

How to Spot a Phony: kathysayso writes:

I prefer Cruz, but will be forever and forever grateful to Trump for making illegal immigration a topic none of the other politicians can easily sweep under the rug now.

I responded:

i would echo that, but i would add that there really is a very convincing case to be made on this point that would change minds. David Frum makes it; Mark Krikorian makes it; MB Dougherty makes it; Mickey Kaus makes it; Tucker Carlson may one day make it.

Trump isn't making it.

I think if someone's passionate about a thing, they show that passion by their interest. I know Frum's big on this because he keeps writing about it. Dougherty and Kaus and Krikorian too.

Trump obviously hasn't bothered to read the stuff by these guys to deliver a really persuasive case for it.

That suggests to me he's not that interested.

I read most articles on this subject. I know I'm interested because I do the things that one expects from someone who's interested.

Trump doesn't seem to do the most basic things associated with someone who's actually interested in the topic. He slapped Sessions' immigraiton plan up on his website, and then immediately and repeatedly contradicted the Sessions' plan's points about the abuse of the H1-B system and the need to get that under control.

A guy who's interested in classic cars knows a lot about classic cars. It's not work-- it's something that he just finds pleasurable to know about.

Why is Trump so lacking in knowledge about his signature issue?

Posted by: Ace at 04:51 PM




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1 Uno

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 10, 2016 04:50 PM (jsWA8)

2 first

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 10, 2016 04:50 PM (qSIlh)

3 Whoo Hoo! New thread

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 04:51 PM (fizMZ)

4 rats. Shoulda ignored the content.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 10, 2016 04:51 PM (qSIlh)

5
But Trump is going to be the nominee.

Now what?

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 04:53 PM (9yW+Y)

6 That is very well put.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 10, 2016 04:53 PM (mf5HN)

7 Well said.

I kept hoping to hear something substantive from him, but it all sounds like a carny act.

Even immigration, we'll build a huge wall (heard that before but ok) but then "we'll let the good ones back in." It's all bluster and pandering.

Posted by: brak at March 10, 2016 04:53 PM (MJuTN)

8 "I guess it's a package deal -- someone who just doesn't care about other people's opinions inevitably also doesn't care about yours."

I'll remember that the next time someone says "I'm a life long Republican but if Trump is the nominee I'm going to vote for Hillary"

Anyway, I suspect Trump doesn't hesitate to listen to others' opinions when he needs an opinion from someone whose opinions he has a high opinion of. Just my opinion.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 10, 2016 04:54 PM (qSIlh)

9 Bluster and pandering? Works for me.

Posted by: Every DemocRAT politician at March 10, 2016 04:55 PM (ucB75)

10 I'll just note that John Nolte has now laid out the facts and witness reports in the Fields incident.

Other than Ben, Nolte's one of my favorites over there.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 04:55 PM (qCMvj)

11 re 5: maybe we can go across the 8th dimension. I'm sure John Whorfin has some interesting opinions.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 10, 2016 04:55 PM (qSIlh)

12 The Fields Incident will change journalism as we know it.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at March 10, 2016 04:56 PM (BWdzW)

13 Trump IS an embarrassment.. plain and simple.

I hope they keep the debate to issues tonight, and press Trump for details.. which he will be forced to make up on the spot. Or, respond with "it's be great.. just trust me..)

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 10, 2016 04:56 PM (so+oy)

14 A lot of so-called conservatives sure seem more than willing to let Hillary a known hardcore leftist win the presidency because the their guy isn't winning.


Posted by: Sho Nuff at March 10, 2016 04:56 PM (CWImE)

15 Yes, Ace. But those of us who said so earlier were prissy babies with no tolerance for the tough stuff, I guess.

Trump is a conman. This much, Rubio got exactly right.

Posted by: DriveBy at March 10, 2016 04:57 PM (F7bMH)

16 But Trump is going to be the nominee.

Now what?
Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 04:53 PM (9yW+Y)



Game theory. Straight out cold blooded game theory. Vote for Trump to cancel out a vote for Hillary (or whomever).

There's also something I'm calling a cuntvote which is when Our Betters get so so so snobby about Trump that, to pick someone at random, like, say, me, says I will vote for Trump just to be a cunt to Our Betters.

Because I'm a better person and all.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 10, 2016 04:57 PM (mf5HN)

17
What do you people hope to accomplish here? Do you want to defeat Trump? Or do you want to defeat the rabid Progressive movement who hates you? You can't have both.

Trump sucks and he's a piece of shit. But...


btw, Bushes sucked. Romney sucked. Dole sucked. McCain sucked. And they all turned out to be pieces of shit who hated you. But you still voted for them, sometimes more than once. Is Trump any worse? No, he's not. The only difference is Trump doesn't hide his ugly rotten side like the others did.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 04:57 PM (9yW+Y)

18 maybe we can go across the 8th dimension. I'm sure John Whorfin has some interesting opinions.
Posted by: mallfly suPreme

It's pronounced big-boo-TAY.

Posted by: John Bigbooty at March 10, 2016 04:57 PM (d9C8q)

19 Wow.

This is yuuuge.

Still voting for him over (s)Hitlery, if it comes to that.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 10, 2016 04:58 PM (NQmg1)

20 The only question is if, and it's still a if, that it's Trump vs Hildabeast does one vote for Trump or not.
I'm still in the vote category, but it gets harder every day. It will be the devil you don't know or the devil you do.

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 04:58 PM (fizMZ)

21 re 18: I'm still waiting for the sequel.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 10, 2016 04:59 PM (qSIlh)

22
Game theory. Straight out cold blooded game theory. Vote for Trump to cancel out a vote for Hillary (or whomever).

There's also something I'm calling a cuntvote which is when Our Betters get so so so snobby about Trump that, to pick someone at random, like, say, me, says I will vote for Trump just to be a cunt to Our Betters.



Everyone read this? ^^^

This is exactly the right mindset to have in this election.

Go into the voting booth in 2016 for the very first time in your lives With Your Eyes Wide Open.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 04:59 PM (9yW+Y)

23 Why I'm back on the Trump bandwagon:

Well, for one thing, it's Thursday. I'm on the wagon on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Friday morning. For another -- and this is the crux of my support -- Trump is the only person I see running who has the potential to be something big. The rest are all just a bunch of shadow-boxers, big on talk, little on really seeing the spirit of the day.

Trump is wrong on many things. But he is very adaptable, something I consider a strength, not a weakness.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 10, 2016 04:59 PM (eXTZt)

24 I dunno. If the Secret Service told me to GTF out of the way, I'm pretty sure I'd just GTF out of the way and not decide to bum rush the candidate, screeching questions. But that's just me.

Taken together with the fact that Fields' boyfriend is a major TDS'er, it's my opinion that Fields wanted this to happen (just look at the press she's getting-who the hell even knew her name 2 days ago), and I for one am damn sick to death of these preening media presstitutes making themselves part of the story.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 10, 2016 05:00 PM (HMt16)

25 There is also another type of Trump supporter. I just see him as a vengeance weapon, the Destructor. Put a combover onthe StayPuft Marshmallow Man and that is how I see Trump. So I don't care what he says, the day he is nominated the Republican Party will destroy itself without him needing to do anything but exist, think he can manage that much.

The Republican Party could see reason, see what the math is saying and rally to Cruz; we all know they won't. I always knew they would do what they are going to in fact do, go all in on Kasich and pray for a miracle at a brokered convention.

Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: John Morris at March 10, 2016 05:00 PM (sCRhB)

26
John Valuk is dead...

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:00 PM (9yW+Y)

27 I prefer Cruz, but will be forever and forever grateful to Trump for making illegal immigration a topic none of the other politicians can easily sweep under the rug now. Were it not for Trump, we might have ended up with our own version of Angela Merkel (looking at you, Jeb). And I am vastly amused by his press conferences where he blithely abuses the press.

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 10, 2016 05:00 PM (43OZ6)

28 You summed up what I've been feeling as this thing goes on. This guy really disturbs me. But one thing has not changed:

I will never, ever, cast a vote for the Hildebeest. She'd make Obama look like a piker. So if that means voting for Trump, so be it.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at March 10, 2016 05:00 PM (RwwCT)

29 Trump would be the ideal candidate for me if the interests of Donald J. Trump were compatible with the interests of Masturbatin' Pete. To borrow from Adam Smith, the baker doesn't care about me. He cares about getting paid. But his desire to get paid ends with me getting a loaf of bread, so I'm happy.

Trump wants what gives Trump fame, money, and power. I don't get enough out of the deal that gives Trump those things to make it worthwhile.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 05:01 PM (NDVSb)

30 "A salesman who is just willing to say whatever he needs ... to say to [get you to] sign the dotted line -- and who will decide on a case-by-case basis whether or not to abide by those contract terms, should they become inconvenient later."

Yeah, we've already got a president like that, don't need another, of either party. I'd love to read all sorts of positive attributes into Trump's lack of specifics, but his background doesn't give me any confidence that it would be more than just wishful thinking.

Posted by: Socratease at March 10, 2016 05:01 PM (FqHs5)

31 Pretty much where I'm at.

I honestly could support almost any "liberal" thing Trump decided to do if he was really serious about shutting down the immigration nonsense that is destroying this country, but I don't even think he believes in any of it.


He's just a bored guy that will say and do anything to be President and being born into a wealthy trust fund means he's used to acting this way without consequences.

Trump will lose badly to Hillary if he's the nominee, the Press is just salivating and pretending to be manhandled for a few more weeks.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:01 PM (R6NO9)

32 People will not vote for, nor support, something they feel reduces their own sense of self-worth.

Posted by: Ace at 04:51 PM
______

I accept your challenge!

Posted by: Trump at March 10, 2016 05:01 PM (T+Avr)

33 Trumps current position on immigration is to the left of Cruz's current stance on immigration. That's Science.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 10, 2016 05:01 PM (X3fgA)

34 The fact that Trump can't be bowed by pressure is a good thing,

Are you talking about the same Trump that calls everyone who dares to disagree with him a "fat loser" and a "failure" but then turns around and whines about not being treated fairly when someone returns the insult?

That stiff-spined Trump?

Posted by: wiserbud at March 10, 2016 05:02 PM (AqEbb)

35 I have never liked Trump, but his style and up till now invulnerability to the slings and arrows of outrageous political correctness has been refreshing.

I was merely hoping that he would act as a stalking horse for the Liberal establishment (the media), until TedCruz could emerge as the sane choice.

That's only working out only so-so.

Posted by: West at March 10, 2016 05:02 PM (1Rgee)

36 The only difference is Trump doesn't hide his ugly rotten side like the others did.
Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai

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Well, I consider Trump's ugly rotten side to be what he told the New York Times editorial board about his *actual* plans on immigration. And he's hiding the shit out of that.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (LtQCz)

37 I'm from Texas. Secession is starting to sound pretty damned good.

Let those damned yankees run their lands with whoever they want, we don't need to be involved with their nonsense anymore.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (/jecC)

38 re 20 etc: if Hillery gets the election, she names the people to the Supreme Court. With 45 Dems in the Senate, the Repubs will cave in, allow a vote, and you know just enough Repubs who want to be invited to the White House will vote to confirm.
At least with Trump we might get someone who is might be a conservative.

Be nice if Trump started hinting around who he might consider for jobs in a Trump administration. If he talks about Robert Reich, I'm voting for Wavy Gravy.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (qSIlh)

39 We need to start thinking about a high profile write-in campaign for a conservative for President, not to win, but to keep the Senate in the "R" column. I know, I know, they aren't a lot of good, but we'll need whatever we can to serve as a backstop to Hillary. 65% of the GOP voted against this guy and can see through him, we're going to need a reason to get them to the polls. We could see another 09-10 all-Dem trifecta

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (ePcUK)

40 In theory, Trump is the best candidate on immigration, which is my issue. But I just don't believe him about it. Heck, I don't even think he knows what his position is. It's all extemporized.

Problem is, the only other candidate who is decent on immigration is Cruz, who has been a very late-adopter on a lot of it. I don't really believe him either.

He might still get my vote because of the Supreme Court.

But not voting is always an honorable option.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (I+4FK)

41
So, this whole thing ends in tears, you know that right?
Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.
Hillary!

It's revolting. But there it is.
Things happen for a reason. Even if we can't figure it out at the time. Leave it to the historians for figure out the why and how. Your job is to survive it.

I still favor a conspiracy of creative failure in which neither party actually wants to win since they know next yearwill bea global catastrophe that makes Godzilla with irritable bowel look like a tidier option.

Posted by: simplemind at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (JTwsP)

42 Yes, very nice, but it applies doubly to Ted Cruz. If you want to know about someone's conviction, ask yourself:

1) What have they lost for it? (Millions of dollars for Trump, being sneered at by some senators for Cruz)
2) Who is responsible for their strengths? (Millions of voters and his vast personal wealth for Trump, millions of voters and tons of sPAC money for Cruz)
3) Why would they renege on their promises? (For the lols in case of Trump apparently, vs a deeply corrupt Congress making a mockery of "constutional" government for Cruz. Oh, and pressure from his Goldman Sachs backers.)

But like you said, Ace, none of what you said can be proved. Whereas we see more establishment backing (Bush donors, Fiorina, etc) moving to Cruz. We've seen this play before, and Cruz is no Reagan. He's just another Texan backed by the Bush family. Haha, no thank you.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (MEHba)

43 You forgot to end this with "Vote Ted Cruz". Otherwise fine.

Posted by: Mega at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (JwLCI)

44 You're just part of the establishment, Ace.
;-)

Posted by: ghoti at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (nC9wu)

45 have never liked Trump, but his style and up till now invulnerability to the slings and arrows of outrageous political correctness has been refreshing.

I was merely hoping that he would act as a stalking horse for the Liberal establishment (the media), until TedCruz could emerge as the sane choice.

That's only working out only so-so.
Posted by: West




I think everyone was hoping for that and then we looked up at the time and saw our "guest" hadn't left yet and he was going to have to stay the night.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:04 PM (R6NO9)

46 >>>I prefer Cruz, but will be forever and forever grateful to Trump for making illegal immigration a topic none of the other politicians can easily sweep under the rug now.

i would echo that, but i would add that there really is a very convincing case to be made on this point that would change minds. David Frum makes it; Krikorian makes it; MB Dougherty makes it; Mickey Kaus makes it; Tucker Carlson may one day make it.

trump isn't making it.

I think if someone's passionate about a thing, they show that passion by their interest. I know Frum's big on this because he keeps writing about it. Dougherty and Kaus and Krikorian too.

Trump obviously hasn't bothered to read the stuff by these guys to deliver a really persuasive case for it.

that suggests to me he's not that interested.

I read most articles on this subject. I know I'm interested because I do the things that one expects from someone who's interested.

Trump doesn't seem to do the most basic things associated with someone who's actually interested in the topic. He slapped Sessions' immigraiton plan up on his website, and then immediately and repeatedly contradicted the Sessions' plans points about the abuse of the H1-B system and the need to get that under control.

Posted by: ace at March 10, 2016 05:04 PM (dciA+)

Posted by: Roberto Rogers at March 10, 2016 05:04 PM (ukd81)

48 Quick question: Is the debate tonight on CNN?

Posted by: logprof at March 10, 2016 05:04 PM (8PcKB)

49 I repeat:

At times like these, I honestly wonder if people understand what a politician is.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (maoCu)

50 Aiiyyyeee! Not even a palate cleanser after that last thread.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (evdj2)

51
Trump is wrong on many things. But he is very adaptable, something I consider a strength, not a weakness.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 10, 2016 04:59 PM (eXTZt)

Adaptable? Guess thats a short way to say flip-flop

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (voOPb)

52 I'm continually amazed that people laud Trump for being a great negotiator who always gets the long end of the stick... and then don't realize that Trump is negotiating with them for their vote.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (LtQCz)

53 How anti-Trump will you go, ace?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (uURQL)

54 Although I expect I would vote Trump in the general, on the AlextheChick theory.

One could say about Trump, he may not be our SOB, but at least he's an SOB.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (I+4FK)

55 To quote Gabby Hayes, "Revrum!!" (I think.)

Look into the "Trump Network" sometime. The man ran an actual fucking Multi-level Marketing scheme. Look who he surrounds himself with. Donald Trump is a bridge too far. I think Ace nailed it, my self-respect would not survive voting for or supporting Donald Trump.

Posted by: SparcVark at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (nKOXj)

56 Good gawd, the anti-Trump hysteria has now devolved into cries of feminine victimization!

You anti-Trumperthumpers have become completely deranged libtards.

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (hpTxo)

57 50 Aiiyyyeee! Not even a palate cleanser after that last thread.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:05 PM (evdj2)

--What happened there? More flaming?

Posted by: logprof at March 10, 2016 05:06 PM (8PcKB)

58 I may have my doubts about what Trump will do. I have very substantive questions on policy. But none of them include whether or not he'll be a better president than Hillary.

Make no mistake. He is going to be the nominee. So everything at this point is not only superfluous, but a direct contribution to the other parties candidate. It's really political treason. I've seen the so-called anti-Trump "reasoning" by some of the frauds. It reads more like a tribal proclamation.

Yet the wonder why Republicans can't win. You know, because they've done such a great job against one of the most disliked presidents in history.

I think it's interesting how people have gone from "let it burn". To stop Trump at all costs.

I also believe I've learned a lot about many people in the Republican Party. Hint, a great deal of them are frauds, in it for their own purposes.

I also think blowing up the Breitbart reporter thing shows a bowing to pathos over reason.

Trump has ultimately done well in every endeavor he's undertaken. People are betting his presidency will work out that way for US.

Because we know what The Lying, Almost Indicted Hag will do.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 10, 2016 05:06 PM (O0lVq)

59 I think that's the basis of a lot of Trump hate - embarrassment.

I've never been that prone to group think - I think I've always been contrarian and a loner, so the embarrassment factor is never a big deal to me. Same reason I am.always skeptical of tv commercials and other propaganda.

What changes my mind is proof of non truth.

Posted by: votermom at March 10, 2016 05:06 PM (cbfNE)

60 I went from saying I would never vote for Trump to being a Trump backer. When Trump initially got in, I said great. Not because I wanted Trump, but because I figured that Trumps outspokenness on immigration would force the GOP to "steal" his ideas and put up someone to compete with Trump. They have not done so. Instead, it is a contest of wills. Will I acquiesces in the GOP's insistence that they be an open borders party, or will I do my part to impose change on the party?

I will vote Trump.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 10, 2016 05:06 PM (R+30W)

61 Ace --you were more than Trump curious. You were Trump stumping.

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 10, 2016 05:06 PM (mcm0N)

62 He's just another Texan backed by the Bush family. Haha, no thank you.

Posted by: trev006


This is the kind of Trump voter Cruz is talking about.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 10, 2016 05:06 PM (X3fgA)

63 >>>Problem is, the only other candidate who is decent on immigration is Cruz, who has been a very late-adopter on a lot of it. I don't really believe him either.

he merely angered all the other senators by blitzing talk radio to tell the truth about the gang of eight and stir up a popular revolt against it. And then sabotaged it with poison pills designed to show that they gang was hell-bent on a pathway to citizenship and not really deporting anyone and not really increasing security.

But other than that -- sure, he's a late adopter who only has been fighting this since Trump was calling Romney's self-deportation plan deranged.

Posted by: ace at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (dciA+)

64 "37 I'm from Texas. Secession is starting to sound pretty damned good.

Let those damned yankees run their lands with whoever they want, we don't need to be involved with their nonsense anymore."

Please wait until after I move there.

Posted by: West at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (1Rgee)

65 I'm continually amazed that people laud Trump for being a great
negotiator who always gets the long end of the stick... and then don't
realize that Trump is negotiating with them for their vote.
----------------------

No. I'm not making a deal with him. I'm hiring him to go negotiate with Democrats.

Posted by: Mega at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (JwLCI)

66 We've seen this play before, and Cruz is no Reagan. He's just another Texan backed by the Bush family. Haha, no thank you.
Posted by: trev006

-----

Cruz has done more to stand up for small government in four years in the Senate than Trump will do in his entire life.

It's fun to read those Daily Caller hit pieces that Drudge links too, isn't it?

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (LtQCz)

67 The problem is, too many conservatives think the universe gets made right as soon as "insert Establishment figure here" is defeated in the primary.

When Trump loses a landslide to Hillary, what prize is waiting in your mailbox?

If anything, any scent of "Trumpism" regarding tougher immigration control will be radioactive for Republicans to embrace after such a rebuke from voters.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (R6NO9)

68 I don't like Trump personally but became a FanBoy several months ago after my early picks flamed out. I grew up with NYC tabloids and so have long known Trump to be an extremely gauche egotistical self promoter in a town filled with gauche egotistical self promoters. I used to actually dislike this guy based on reputation.

What's changed is that I now believe that Trump is driven more by patriotism than ego. He really does wants to fix things. YMMV.

His politics are those of the bridge and tunnel crowd of NYC, which are mine. Nationalistic, conservative depending how you define it, some of us religious some not, but tolerant always, and socially libertarian.

What changed my mind months ago is when I saw how Trump can play modern media in the political arena. He's a prodigy. This is critical right now. Just win, baby! No other candidate can expand the electoral map the way that Trump can.

So he's our best Hillary killer.

Now how he does in office were he to win is a big question mark, granted, but he's got more upside than any of the alternatives, Cruz included.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (r1fLd)

69 >>> Ace --you were more than Trump curious. You were Trump stumping.

sometimes, sure. I think it's important that we begin talking about how many immigrants we actually *need*.

Posted by: ace at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (dciA+)

70 What turned me off Trump:

Trump advertised his university saying it would teach success and he hand-picked the professors.

The entire ad sounds exactly like his campaign: off the top of his head, grandiose promises, and no specifics, except that he'll hire the best.

Except we now know, he couldn't identify any of the professors that were hired.

Zero.

He just made that up because it sounded good.

That should inform you on his style of governing.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (UBBWX)

71 I've said it a hundred times: People will not vote for, nor support, something they feel reduces their own sense of self-worth. Or which brings shame upon them.



What's the year cut off on that? 20 years? 25? 30?
Because after 30+, I am no longer voting for the party that reduces MY sense of self worth and that brings me shame.

And that is the party of the GOPe.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (kDUUX)

72 There's also something I'm calling a cuntvote which is when Our Betters get so so so snobby about Trump that, to pick someone at random, like, say, me, says I will vote for Trump just to be a cunt to Our Betters.

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Word ATC.

Lets not kid ourselves.

The GOPe **is** the reason we get Trump. You dismissed the Tea Party. You MAY have helped Lois Lerner with which groups to target **cough McCaincough**.

You didnt listen on Obamacare... YOU LET IT OUT OF A FUCKING COMMITTEE WE CONTROLLED.

You Didnt listen when we gave you the Senate. You CERTAINLY didnt listen when we gave you the house.

You didnt listen when we said NO to amnesty.

You didnt listen when Eric Fucking Cantor got thrown out on his ass.

You rolled over on judicial appointments. You rolled over on Fast and Furious. You rolled over on The IRS. You rolled over on Benghazi.

You left the base no other goddamned option.

Trump is kicking your ass because for all his douchebaggery, chest thumping, hair flipping Yuuuuuge fucking gaffes.....

......he's better than the alternatives youve put out for forty years.


Kiss.My.ASS GOPe . Misouris primary is in a week. Im a Cruz guy. Im pulling the lever for Trump. Because Fuck YOU, thats why.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (8XRCm)

73 "Trump is wrong on many things. But he is very adaptable, something I consider a strength, not a weakness."

Until the "adaptable" is one of the things you voted for him in the firstplace...such as becoming adaptable on the 2A....or being (for the time being) Pro Life...or......

Posted by: Bob Alink at March 10, 2016 05:08 PM (M13vx)

74 No. I'm not making a deal with him. I'm hiring him to go negotiate with Democrats.
Posted by: Mega

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And hiring an employee is a negotiation, and you're getting played, son.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 05:08 PM (mVjMU)

75 I've never been that prone to group think - I think
I've always been contrarian and a loner, so the embarrassment factor is
never a big deal to me. Same reason I am.always skeptical of tv
commercials and other propaganda.



What changes my mind is proof of non truth.





Posted by: votermom



Or to put it another way , votermom is awesome.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 05:08 PM (maoCu)

76 --What happened there? More flaming?


There was a horse, and a guy on fire. I think Kari killed someone with a trident.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:08 PM (evdj2)

77
My advice to you all is this: take another Quaalude and you'll love Trump again by convention time.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:08 PM (9yW+Y)

78
ace I think your use of the word "embarrassed" is a key to this.

I don't think it makes any sense to be embarrassed by a public figure over whom you have no control. It'svery weak, but nonetheless a form of this silly self-identification with candidates and other public figures that's such a hallmark of our vapid, dumbed-down, narcissistic culture.

And you, and many here who show the same attachments, are anything *but* vapid, dumbed-down, or narcissistic.

These people are potential hires, we are the employers. Sure - we are employers with very little actual direct influence over the hiring decision. But it captures the general relationship better than star/fanboy.

ace you said you were a "Trumpist who was not so wild about Trump" or the equivalent. Perfectly reasonable, and it probably reflects the situation of zillions of that minority of aware Americans who resemble citizens of a republic.

How broken is our civic culture and governance (as a representative republic under law)? So broken that a highly unconventional, incendiary outsider of a candidate is the only one to have led his effort by confronting a hugely important, pernicious problem causing extensive/possibly irreparable damage to things as diverse as public budgets, the rule of law, the unique American history/system of mass immigration with assimilation, and our security. Mass illegal migration.

And even HE doesn't bother to pursue the issue, even in an electoral/political sense, in a serious way.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 10, 2016 05:08 PM (QDnY+)

79 "It's embarrassing, to me personally, when I'm is repeatedly confronted
with the fact that Trump still seems to not know the contents of the
Sessions Immigration Plan on his own website"

I'm a very important and busy man. Far too important and busy to actually know things. Only unknowns and losers worry about if they know things. If something has to be known about, I have people to do that for me.

For example, I maintain a full-time staffer whose job it is to inform me of which day of the week it happens to be. At any time I may require that information. I have a second staffer detailed to back up this important function. It's all part of the elite executive skillset I have been developing for decades, since Wharton.

Posted by: Digitis Minimus Vulgaris at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (noWW6)

80 >>Anyway, I suspect Trump doesn't hesitate to listen to others' opinions when he needs an opinion from someone whose opinions he has a high opinion of.

That would be my opinion.

Posted by: The Donald at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (c7vUv)

81 I wish ace would come out and announce his true favorite for president : John Kasich. He loves that man, sexually.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (X3fgA)

82 "Anyway, I suspect Trump doesn't hesitate to listen to others' opinions when he needs an opinion from someone whose opinions he has a high opinion of."

LOL. He didn't hand pick a single professor as he said he would for a university with his name on it.

But you still trust him! Amazing!

He probably does listen to his lawyers.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (UBBWX)

83 Bushes in the Cruz camp are a pox on Teddy's campaign.

"Burn it down"?

Posted by: Jeff E at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (QBXdZ)

84 If you call yourself a conservative and you actually think that Trump will feel any obligation to respect his promises to you after he's sworn in, you're one part conservative and nine parts chump.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (mVjMU)

85 So that's what happened with me. Now, when people talk about the Wall and stuff to me, I just sort of shrug -- I have no real sense Trump intends to do any of that. It's a sales pitch, he's saying what he thinks what I want to hear, but after I sign the contract, he'll observe it as he deems fit.

this is why the Camille Paglia piece was so bizarre to me

she claims this for Cruz, not Trump

From my perspective as a fervent supporter of the ruggedly honest and principled Bernie Sanders, Trump with his pragmatic real-life record is a far more palatable national figure than Ted Cruz, whose unctuous, vainglorious professions of Christian piety don't pass the smell test. Trump is a blunt, no-crap mensch, while Cruz is a ham actor, doling out fake compassion like chopped liver. Cruz's lugubrious, weirdly womanish face, with its prim, tight smile and mawkishly appealing puppy-dog eyebrows, is like a waxen mask, always on the verge of melting. This guy doesn't know who the hell he is--and the White House is no place for him and us to find out.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (qCMvj)

86 2 political parties. Not 22. Open border Socialism Supreme Court proofed in the cross hairs while everyone intellectually argues #nevertrump

Posted by: ajlfour at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (BKflv)

87 Corey is the rebel Trump has to leave on the plane. "They will expect one of us in the wreckage, brother."

"The flame rises."

Posted by: General Zod at March 10, 2016 05:09 PM (hgpSN)

88 I do kinda warm up to Trump when I hear him say that Hillary should be in jail. Even if he doesn't mean it. It does me good just to hear someone say it.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 10, 2016 05:10 PM (I+4FK)

89 And hiring an employee is a negotiation, and you're getting played, son.
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Well I guess I'm pretty stupid then. I liked you better when you were batin'.

Posted by: Mega at March 10, 2016 05:10 PM (JwLCI)

90 Ho hum.

Posted by: Soona at March 10, 2016 05:10 PM (Fmupd)

91 Earlier today, Lewandowski said he grabbed Fields as he did not recognize her as a Breitbart reporter. Now he claims the incident never occurred. Which is it?

Posted by: rodlang at March 10, 2016 05:10 PM (CmDWk)

92
my self-respect would not survive voting for or supporting Donald Trump.
But it survived voting for Bob Dole who speak of him self in the third person and sells Erectile Dysfunction Drugs.
You're tougher than you think kiddo.

Posted by: simplemind at March 10, 2016 05:11 PM (JTwsP)

93 Has anyone produced any video of this alleged Trump Brutality against Wymens.

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:11 PM (hpTxo)

94 I think the amount of trolls and Mobies on this blog lately should tell you precisely where this is all going Ace.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 10, 2016 05:11 PM (O0lVq)

95 So yeah, I get it - for a lot, politics is about making you feel better about yourself.
You can't support Trump because he makes you feel embarrassed about yourself.

I guess I used to be like that when I was young and a Dem.

But now that I'm older, politics for me is strictly strategic and tactical.
The current order is killing our country.
Trump scares the powers that be that enforce the current order.
There is a greater than zero chance that Trump will break the current order.
Outcome desirable.

Trump' s antics do not reflect on me personally. If he can accomplish his goal my interests will be forwarded.

Posted by: votermom at March 10, 2016 05:11 PM (cbfNE)

96 **63 >>>Problem is, the only other candidate who is decent on immigration is Cruz, who has been a very late-adopter on a lot of it. I don't really believe him either.

he merely angered all the other senators by blitzing talk radio to tell the truth about the gang of eight and stir up a popular revolt against it. And then sabotaged it with poison pills designed to show that they gang was hell-bent on a pathway to citizenship and not really deporting anyone and not really increasing security.

But other than that -- sure, he's a late adopter who only has been fighting this since Trump was calling Romney's self-deportation plan deranged.**

All true. Not meaning to take anything away from Cruz. But until quite recently, he was talking about expanding legal immigration and, what, trebling the size of the H1-Bs.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 10, 2016 05:11 PM (I+4FK)

97 in fairness, I'm not sure Paglia would recognize Christianity if it bit her on the ass.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:11 PM (evdj2)

98 I feel I'm being sold a shit sandwich once again. I'm still on board with Trump and I completely understand anyone who doesn't trust him or loses his faith in him. It's a sensible position because there's a lot to not like about him. Personally I don't trust anybody running, being dishonest is a necessary quality for a president. But this story with Michelle Fields stinks. A Trump staffer tries to throw a woman to the ground in a room full of reporters and they can't film anything. If pictures of her bruises prove anything then forget inmigration, rape on campus is the most important issue in these elections.

Posted by: Potatoer at March 10, 2016 05:12 PM (8u5sK)

99 I was never Trump-curious. From the moment he opened his mouth I knew he was a ill-informed bully.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 10, 2016 05:12 PM (HpeUK)

100
You know who the Trump supporters I like the most are? The ones who hate Trump.

They are the ones who get it. They are the ones who woke up finally and are cynical about the GOP and politics and government. Cynicism is healthy and prudent in politics. You people are smart voters. You know what the score is.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:12 PM (9yW+Y)

101 I guess it's a package deal -- someone who just doesn't care about other people's opinions inevitably also doesn't care about yours.

I don't expect Trump to care about my opinion. I expect him to care about America not being a doormat. I expect him to care about illegals being deported. You don't think he does but I do. I guess we'll just have to find out. I already know, without any doubt, what the positions of the other candidates are on these issues and I don't want them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 10, 2016 05:12 PM (zc3Db)

102 someone who just doesn't care about other people's opinions inevitably also doesn't care about yours.

The Sessions thing is bad, but no need to make this overgeneralization. A parent can care about his family's opinions, or a specialist his about colleague's opinions, and yet not value the opinions of others.

Since the left doesn't value ours, it would be nice if we had someone brave enough to do that in return.

Posted by: 4loko Ono at March 10, 2016 05:13 PM (3EerS)

103

I've always been embarrassed by Trump. That is nothing new to me.

But, I got angry when he started lying about Cruz, which goes a ways back. That was my threshold. He lied, and kept using the same lies. No integrity whatsoever.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 05:13 PM (qCMvj)

104 "Be nice if Trump started hinting around who he might consider for jobs in a Trump administration. "

He's been promising to do this since September.

He won't. He also won't release his taxes.

The media will play dumb until he's in and then every single day will ask him to release.

If he won't, Obama will leak them.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 05:13 PM (UBBWX)

105 Thanks for doing your part Ace!

Although if the name of the game is beating Hillary, why no analysis on my path to victory in the general?

Is it better to beat Hillary with Trump or lose with principle by supporting me?

Posted by: Ted Cruz at March 10, 2016 05:13 PM (FaR8l)

106 You know who the Trump supporters I like the most are? The ones who hate Trump.

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See my rant upstream.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 10, 2016 05:13 PM (8XRCm)

107 Cruz has no chance against the MSM in the general. None. They will depict him as a dangerously insane Christian and tell as many lies as necessary. He can't beat all of Hollywood and the DC press. Few can...

Trump, on the other hand was seemingly born to wield the MSM to attack Clinton at this precise moment in history. Gotta go with The Flow.

Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at March 10, 2016 05:13 PM (r4pNb)

108 So uhm....any video of this brutal Trump-wymens-beating?

Any at all? In a room full of cameras?

Somebody show me some video evidence. Quick. I can't clutch these pearls all day!

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:14 PM (hpTxo)

109 Cruz has done more to stand up for small government in four years in the Senate than Trump will do in his entire life.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (LtQCz)

Yeah, it's done so much good. This idea of secret "poison pill" sabotage would be cunning, if the Supreme Court hadn't shown its willingness to ignore plain text to preserve... what? Its own threadbare legitimacy?

I don't care if Ted Cruz went hoarse from a two week filibuster, though I can respect it. I care about the fact he's never delivered a worthwhile law on illegal immigration. We don't have a Congress that works, and if we did, Trump would have a lot less support.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 05:14 PM (MEHba)

110 I have too many friends, family and people I like and respect who are Anti-Trump to be too upset about this.

All Trump is to me is the Destroyer. He's a drunk with a straight razor, flailing around. I realize that. I'm even ok with it, to a point.

I'm hoping for a Cruz victory, but here's my fear: Cruz requires grown ups. You have to be willing to listen to him and take him seriously and think about what he says. That's hard. That's why in the Primary he's been going for the Evangelical vote, he needs a base to win the nomination. I don't think he's his father, he's not a preacher.

Trump does not require adulthood. He is an entertainment candidate, one very good at manipulation and persuasion. And that's why I think he'd beat Hilary like an old rug. He's good at everything she's not.

Ted...Ted is intellectual. Ted is right. Ted is boring. And boring vs boring is not a big win scenario.

I hope I'm wrong, but I fear not.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 10, 2016 05:14 PM (q+YDg)

111 In the end, they are just a bunch of politicians after all. We project on them what we wish, or what we loathe. They have to pander, in order to become Successful politicians.
They are really just reflections of ourselves, as narcissistic as we are.

Posted by: kraken at March 10, 2016 05:14 PM (sdxPm)

112 I'm not voting for emperor. I've already lived under one for the past 8 years. I'm voting for a president who can win across demographics and will at least listen to the citizens most of the time.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 10, 2016 05:14 PM (O0lVq)

113 He thinks he is tossing out "red meat"; he is tossing out spam.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (O4NI/)

114
Then there are the other types of voters on our side. The ones who vote for a candidate because they believe he "loves our country," or because they believe "he'll keep his promises."

This is a very immature and foolish way to live. Never hold any politician in high esteem. And never "believe" in a politician.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (9yW+Y)

115 Trump, on the other hand was seemingly born to wield the MSM to attack Clinton at this precise moment in history.


I laughed out loud. They will eat him by slivers once he has the nomination.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (evdj2)

116 "Trump advertised his university saying it would teach success and he hand-picked the professors. The entire ad sounds exactly like his campaign: off the top of his
head, grandiose promises, and no specifics, except that he'll hire the
best. Except we now know, he couldn't identify any of the professors that were hired."

Trump has hired a lot of people over the years, but the overwhelming bulk of those people have been ones with skills focused on what the overwhelming majority of Trump's business properties focus on.

To wit, real estate and hospitality.

Trump has a reputation for picking good subordinate managers. But he's been consistently picking them out of fields of candidates in two comparatively narrow professional fields where he has a lot of experience himself.

If someone in their own line of work hires electrical engineers for thirty years straight, and develops a good eye for selecting topflight EEs, it doesn't necessarily mean that they can competently hire elite accountants or surgeons or plumbers with the same level of reliability.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (noWW6)

117 This *low information voter* is voting for Trump. If you dig for just a few seconds, this reporter has a way of making herself the center of the story. The truth is going to come out.

Posted by: rightwingva at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (12N38)

118 Trump has done some good:

Blow up PC.

Allow immigration to be at least a discussion, not a lecture.

I like some of his style.

I just don't think I want him in charge of the whole shebang.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (UBBWX)

119 Trump is 100% for himself, he's full of crap, and he's always been full of crap. Bluntly, not only do I not trust him to actually govern, I don't trust him to keep his grubby hands off the mechanisms of government for personal enrichment.

The guy has pretty plainly NOT thought about any policy issue with seriousness. I can't even say that about Obama. I disagree with all of Obama's positions. . .but at least as Senator the guy THOUGHT about them.

Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (hoiM7)

120 What is ace going to do when the ticket winds up being Trump/Cruz?

Posted by: cool breeze at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (ckvus)

121 @Ghost of Kari,

It's a duty if you believe that the people really run the country, and we are a good ol' civic republican democracy.

Me, I would hate to live somewhere where voting was mandatory. to my mind, there is a pretty good case that democracy is just a gigantic exercise in blaming the victim. Every 4 years, the political class makes us go through the motions of being responsible for however it is that they are raping us this time. "Stop hitting yourself," they say, as they smack our hand into our face.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (I+4FK)

122 Yeah, same here, Ace. I have all the Trump Bumper stickers, stack of them, that I took from my caucus. What am I supposed to do now?

Posted by: L, Elle at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (2x3L+)

123 69 >>> Ace --you were more than Trump curious. You were Trump stumping.

sometimes, sure. I think it's important that we begin talking about how many immigrants we actually *need*.
Posted by: ace at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (dciA+)

*****

It's pretty much all up to her Highness HRC now.

The media has deligitimized themselves completely.

There's nothing left...to check her.

Anyways it's going to be really, really bad.

Beyond your wildest imaginations bad.

It's going to be --Carter with Malice.

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (mcm0N)

124 I voted for Cruz in the SC primary...if Trump is nominated I'll hold my nose and vote for him...hey, I had my doubts about Reagan in 1980.

Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2016 05:16 PM (j7iSn)

125 someone who just doesn't care about other people's opinions inevitably also doesn't care about yours.

Is it that he doesn't care or just that he's addicted to making the sale. We can keep being prospective buyers of TheTrumpWall til it's actually built.

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 05:16 PM (DL2i+)

126
No wall? Well, barbed wire, mines, and machine gun nests will work just as well. Plus, witholding % of every dollar shipped back to mexico.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 10, 2016 05:16 PM (iQIUe)

127 40
But not voting is always an honorable option.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (I+4FK)
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I don't think so.
It's just a vote for Hillary, as is voting 3rd party.

As long as the law allows us to vote we can't duck the choice. To pretend that we can is, well, dishonorable.

I wish I didn't think so, given that the choice this time will likely be Trump and the Hag.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (T/5A0)

128 So Ace. I get it, already. Beck is right.

Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (aUQgu)

129 "From my perspective as a fervent supporter of the ruggedly honest and principled Bernie Sanders"

Protip: it's safe to stop reading after reaching that point.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (noWW6)

130 I'll ask you hysterical anti-Trump feminists again:

Is there ANY video of this alleged attack?

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (hpTxo)

131 My early picks, sadly, never caught on and went down in flames. So it's down to Trump or Cruz for me and I still think it's all going to be resolved by the time voting in CA comes around. But I will vote for whoever the nominee is against Hillary. Now, I will be paying attention to the down ticket races on my ballot.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (a0IVu)

132 It's a sales pitch, he's saying what he thinks what I want to hear, but after I sign the contract, he'll observe it as he deems fit.

Didn't Trump himself admit as much during an interview? I could swear he said something along these lines.

Posted by: Hal at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (O7cgj)

133 I care about the fact he's never delivered a worthwhile law on illegal immigration.

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I'm sure Obama would sign one of those.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (LtQCz)

134 For people wondering whether they could vote for Trump in the general or not... he's gonna lose at least 60-40 to Hillary, maybe worse. Whichever way the "tortured internet conservative" vote comes down ain't gonna make a difference. You're not gonna get him across the finish line if you decide to give him your vote, and you're not gonna doom him by withholding it. He lost the general election months ago, if you want to make a difference the time is now, by making him lose the primary first.

Posted by: cjw at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (UJ59J)

135 The reporter is a mammal.

Posted by: sharif, who don't like it at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (hgpSN)

136 BTW Politico now has up the audio recording of the moment Lewandowski grabbed Fields and the back and forth between her and Terris in the aftermath.


Lewandowski is lying...

Posted by: H Badger at March 10, 2016 05:18 PM (n/0Nw)

137 I disagree with all of Obama's positions. . .but at least as Senator the guy THOUGHT about them.


Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2016 05:15 PM (hoiM7)

His STAFF thought about them for him.

Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2016 05:18 PM (j7iSn)

138 Honestly, if I still had much investment in this whole round robin Charlie Foxtrot, I suspect I'd be more or less where I was four years ago--how the hell did we wind up with these as our choices?

Guess I just needed a reminder be in this world, but not so much of it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 10, 2016 05:18 PM (9krrF)

139 Or to put it another way , votermom is awesome.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 05:08 PM (maoCu)

*shifty eyes*
*starts backing out the exit quietly*

Posted by: votermom at March 10, 2016 05:18 PM (cbfNE)

140 The reporter is a mammal.

That's a type of weasel, yes?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:19 PM (evdj2)

141 cool breeze @122 said, "What is ace going to do when the ticket winds up being Trump/Cruz?"

Dunno what ace would do, I'd blow a load so hard it would knock the ISS out of orbit.

Trump will have to pick which side to ally with, Cruz and double down on outsider ant-iestablishment and blow it up or somebody like Kasich and throw in with the establishment. Somehow I suspect the conservatives and outsiders would be more loyal allies and that Trump is smart enough to realize why that is so.

Posted by: John Morris at March 10, 2016 05:19 PM (sCRhB)

142 141
BTW Politico now has up the audio recording of the moment Lewandowski
grabbed Fields and the back and forth between her and Terris in the
aftermath.





Lewandowski is lying...



So.... no actual video? In a room full of cameras?

How very strange.

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:19 PM (hpTxo)

143 Trump keeps exceeding their own Personal Embarrassment Threshold.

Hillary pushes beyond that into the Soviet citizen denial of reality. Pushes doesn't cover it, lives doesn't either. She's a manifestation of Beyond Embarrassment Evil.

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 05:19 PM (DL2i+)

144 The "cuntvote" phenomenon is real. So is the shit-for-brains vote. My BiL and others I know who voted for Obama because he was the shiniest object in the box are now supporting Trump for the same reason. How do you talk to someone attracted both by Obama's Tear It All Down speech and Trump's Make It Great Again speech? It's like juggling retarded monkeys while wearing a blindfold.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2016 05:19 PM (2cS/G)

145 I'd like to remind you that we here in the Eeyore Party would be happy to welcome you in, if we could feel happiness. But you'll probably just ignore us like always. Life is much easier once you've embraced the Doom.
DOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at March 10, 2016 05:19 PM (d9C8q)

146 ****But not voting is always an honorable option.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 10, 2016 05:03 PM (I+4FK)
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I don't think so.
It's just a vote for Hillary, as is voting 3rd party. ****

I was talking about the primary, numbnuts.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 10, 2016 05:19 PM (I+4FK)

147 Ace, I hear you, but I also think Trump is a good manager and delegator, cf. his fortune, international businesses that generate good cash flow, and the fact that dirt about him isn't forthcoming - he appears neither to have left a pile of pissed-off former underlings nor is surrounded gushing sycophants. Just discreet professionals. So he sets the tone, delegates, and hires good people.

So that's a start, and it doesn't bother me that he's not in the details. I work with C-suites and his attitude about details seems very familiar to me. Executives are all about simplify simplify simplify, and it's up to the people below them to handle the details and make them seem simple. If you want to make every CEO I've ever met check out mentally in seconds, start reading them the Sessions bill or anything remotely similar. That's just not what people like that are about.

If you want a policy wonk/detail-oriented president, I guess Cruz is your guy. I like Cruz a lot, and I think he'd be an amazing AG, but I don't necessarily think that a President needs to be in the weeds.

This business about roughing up dissent at rallies needs to be addressed, but since I just read a nice article about a conservative woman having a bucket of piss dumped on her at an "anti-fascism" rally because feelings, I'm personally in the mood for a little back atcha, which, too, I think is part of Trump's appeal. I think America, a decent chunk of it anyway, is eager for a comeuppance, and will basically excuse Trump if his supporters generate a little collateral damage, but not too much. He needs to manage this or he will lose.

America is interested in someone with balls after 8 years of mom jeans by day and bucket of piss on your head by night from the group in power now.

Posted by: major major major major at March 10, 2016 05:20 PM (egsah)

148
Yuuuuugely bad.
Nothing worse than a malicious drunken granny with the full weight of government behind her, zero media checks, zero judicial and congressional checks. Carter? nah, more likes Stalin.

Posted by: simplemind at March 10, 2016 05:20 PM (JTwsP)

149 BREAKING: #TedCruz Houston campaign headquarters evacuated over suspicious substance. Via Wash Times

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 10, 2016 05:20 PM (HpeUK)

150 So Ace. I get it, already. Beck is right.
Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at March 10, 2016 05:17 PM (aUQgu)


heh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 05:20 PM (qCMvj)

151 Well put, ace. Your experience pretty much mirrors mine.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 10, 2016 05:21 PM (wtvvX)

152
How I Went from Trump Curious to Anti-Trump

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I was expecting a sexual side to "your story."

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 10, 2016 05:21 PM (iQIUe)

153 earlier in the day it was


"No proof just her words and some guy from the post"

Well now there is audio so its not just he said she said.

Lewandowski supporters should be careful...who says there isn't video?

Posted by: H Badger at March 10, 2016 05:21 PM (n/0Nw)

154 We have two junior Senators, a blowhard, a felon, and a crackpot.

Take your pick.

Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 05:21 PM (o+SC1)

155 Trump has done some good:

Blow up PC.

Allow immigration to be at least a discussion, not a lecture.

I like some of his style.

I just don't think I want him in charge of the whole shebang.


The more it's about him, the less it's about those other things that it needs to be about. It's why he's a trainwreck of a candidate--he just can't help it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 10, 2016 05:21 PM (9krrF)

156
See my rant upstream.

Yes, well done.

Your rant was inspired by Alex's rant, which was inspired by my rant.

You are my spawn.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:21 PM (9yW+Y)

157 Incredibly well-said Ace. Eloquently laid out. That's the best argument I've heard yet to persuade those considering voting for him not to do so.

Posted by: Sassy at March 10, 2016 05:21 PM (V9sPV)

158 Ace, I hear you, but I also think Trump is a good manager and delegator, cf. his fortune, international businesses that generate good cash flow,

---------

Evidence of that?

Posted by: Sean Hannity at March 10, 2016 05:21 PM (gmeXX)

159 I'm still waiting for Glenn Beck's video evidence of those brutal Trump Nazi MILFs who were supposedly harassing him.


Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:22 PM (hpTxo)

160 sock off. I am totally failing today. Trump would be eviscerate me.

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:22 PM (gmeXX)

161 I just think the vast majority of the trump assaults have been dumb and besides the point. He makes no bones about being an expert on everything, he is best as a manager and team builder. He wanted to fix immigration and got Sessions on his team. that simple act shows more brains than anyone else. if every bad thing they say about trump is true, and i dont believe that, I'd still vote for him, because the rest of them still suck worse. these useless weasels couldnt even prevent a debt ceiling increase with majorities in both houses. because they didnt want to. Trump is a competent executive that doesnt hate me or americans. can you honestly say the same about the rest of them ?

Posted by: john at March 10, 2016 05:22 PM (oMdtQ)

162 Trumpism without the actual Trump would be a grand thing.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:22 PM (evdj2)

163 >> We have two junior Senators, a blowhard, a felon, and a crackpot.

Correction:

We have two junior Senators, a blowhard, a felon, and a Sandinista.


Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 05:23 PM (o+SC1)

164 This election cycle, I went through these phases:

- "I'm with Rick Perry."
- "I'm with Rick Perry, but I could be happy with that Walker guy or that Cruz guy. And maybe that Jindal guy."
- "Well, shit, that's embarrassing. Now I like Cruz and Walker."
- "Hmm. Well, at least I'm liking Cruz, the more I hear from him."
- "Hey, I'm really liking Cruz. How come I didn't know him when this started?"

Somewhere along the timeline, Donald Trump entered the radar screen. Hmm, this guy is saying some things I like. I may want to listen to what he has to say. At first, I didn't like him; I knew him to be a lifelong Democrat and a supporter of people and causes that I didn't, but he was angry at the Establishment (like I am!), and wanted to do something serious about our porous border (like I do!). To use Ace's phrase, I was Trump-curious. If I couldn't get a solid conservative in office, then I'd settle for the Burn It Down candidate. The Middle-Finger candidate. I was willing to suspend my disbelief and give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was the ultimate New York Liberal who got mugged - but by the elected overlords, and not by a Central Park mugger.

If the Republic was hosed and the GOP in tatters, then maybe I needed to be open to the guy willing to light the match and Burn It Down. At least, as a viable alternative if My Chosen Guy doesn't get the nod.

Well, it didn't take too long to figure out Trump holds onto a political position only while it's convenient. He's not a doctrinaire conservative, not of any flavor. I'm not even convinced he actually has core beliefs. What he is, is a salesman. He's found a catchy slogan, and he shows confidence and enthusiasm.

Listening to Donald Trump moved me into the anti-Trump column.

I know many people who are good, solid conservatives, who are on the Trump train. The problem with any cult of personality, though, is that many people - maybe even most people - don't want to admit that they might be wrong, once they've gone all in. They have a million excuses for every offense and inconsistency their candidate has, because the alternative is admitting they were wrong, or that they were fooled. We all know a thousand Obamabots just like that; just because a person holds the right political beliefs doesn't necessarily make them immune to falling into the same trap.

Yeah, longish. Sorry. Maybe a handful of his supporters will read this, and decide that if someone else is willing to say that the emperor has no clothes on, maybe they can admit they see it too.

These are interesting times, and an interesting election cycle.

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 10, 2016 05:23 PM (iIzG7)

165 BREAKING: #TedCruz Houston campaign headquarters evacuated over suspicious substance. Via Wash Times
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 10, 2016 05:20 PM (HpeUK)


this happened a while ago, but I haven't seen an update

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 05:23 PM (qCMvj)

166 Trump obviously hasn't bothered to read the stuff by these guys to deliver a really persuasive case for it.



that suggests to me he's not that interested.

--

Trump has no deep set political ideology, it seems. I get no sense of what he stands for in his heart of hearts. I get the feeling that, early on, he stumbled upon immigration as a topic and saw how the public reacted to it. So he just kept on with it. Not out of a sense of his core values, but just because it got such a strong, positive reaction and propelled him into the stratosphere with voters. The fact that he's not inside/out familiar with Sessions' plan is really disturbing. I mean, you make that the cornerstone of your campaign and the reason for your popularity and you really don't give a s*** about it enough to be familiar with what you're supposed to be attempting to deliver, should you win.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun at March 10, 2016 05:23 PM (QV5OZ)

167 "Trump, on the other hand was seemingly born to wield the MSM to attack Clinton at this precise moment in history."

The ancient sages say that the media behave differently towards Republicans before and after the nomination.

Look at McCain. Before he got the nom, the media constantly flattered him and played up to the "maverick" self___ he is so obsessed with cultivating.

The instant McCain was locked in as the general election candidate, the media began to describe him as an unstable loose cannon with uncontrollable anger issues, who wanted to start new wars to avenge his POW humiliations, who was laughably ignorant of 21st century technology, and who was so old and sick he would rapidly die in office, leaving the unqualified snowbilly bitch Sarah Palin as President.

The media pulled the same Lucy-with-the-football on Mitt Romney.

They're all set to do it again with Trump. The instant Trump has the nomination, any criticism he makes of Hillary Clinton will be defused by the media with endless re-airings of the photo of the Clintons as guests of honor at Trump's (most recent) wedding gala.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 10, 2016 05:23 PM (noWW6)

168 >>> So.... no actual video? In a room full of cameras?
>>> How very strange.

Because everyone was thinking, "Forget the candidate. Get a picture of the campaign manager!"

Posted by: fluffy at March 10, 2016 05:23 PM (2hcmo)

169 I'm still waiting for Glenn Beck's video evidence of those brutal Trump Nazi MILFs who were supposedly harassing him.
Posted by: Herbert Spinecki

Trump Nazi MILFs A Go-Go was a very underrated film.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at March 10, 2016 05:23 PM (d9C8q)

170 Once your petticoats have been sorted out and restored to their proper alignment (which by my estimation will take until about May)

Why do you have too start out making your point with an insult?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 05:24 PM (w4NZ8)

171 I want Hillary to get called to account for her crimes but if she's isn't my consolation prize will be to see her get schlonged by Trump in the general. So there's that ...

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 10, 2016 05:24 PM (r1fLd)

172 Somehow I suspect the conservatives and outsiders would be more loyal allies and that Trump is smart enough to realize why that is so.

Posted by: John Morris at March 10, 2016 05:19 PM (sCRhB)

"Conservatives" like at National Review and Red State are wholly worthless as allies. I think nationalists, conservatives and former liberals alike, are going to go for Trump anyways.

Forget establishment vs conservative: I think he'll try to run against the Bush/ Clinton establishment, and he'll pick a VP choice accordingly. Someone persuasive, amiable, and with strong ties to the military/ intelligence establishment.

Either Jim Webb or Dave Petraeus.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 05:24 PM (MEHba)

173 BREAKING: #TedCruz Houston campaign headquarters evacuated over suspicious substance. Via Wash Times

==========

Ewok spunk??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 10, 2016 05:24 PM (iQIUe)

174 I think of Trump as having Tourette's. He shouts out words "Wall!" "Fantastic!" "Deport!" and the fanbois clap and cheer.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 10, 2016 05:24 PM (y0rni)

175 Ted Cruz all the way!

Thanks, Ace!

We ain't no battered wives us morons.

Posted by: DM at March 10, 2016 05:24 PM (j/tOh)

176 From politico:

A roughly two and a half minute audio recording of the incident obtained by POLITICO - while not definitive - supports the reporter's version of the events, which were witnessed by Washington Post reporter Ben Terris.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 10, 2016 05:24 PM (HpeUK)

177 Trump is a conman.

People keep saying this but he's sold and built actual businesses not cons.
He's selling himself as POTUS the MAGA US rebuilder.
WTF did you think that sales job was going to sound like?

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 05:25 PM (DL2i+)

178
Trumpism without the actual Trump would be a grand thing.

Absolutely. The GOP had its chance to latch onto Trump's momentum and push him out of the way.

Instead, the GOP doubled down on their old ways and further alienated us. The GOP are very stupid people.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:25 PM (9yW+Y)

179 BTW Politico now has up the audio recording of the moment Lewandowski grabbed Fields and the back and forth between her and Terris in the aftermath.


Lewandowski is lying...

Posted by: H Badger at March 10, 2016 05:18 PM (n/0Nw)



there ya go

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 05:26 PM (qCMvj)

180 Link:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/03/

transcript-corey-lewandowski-breitbart-reporter-attack-220589

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 10, 2016 05:26 PM (HpeUK)

181 I have no embarrassment threshold, but I absolutely agree that I don't think he's going to do half of what he says.

But he's still my Number 2 out of what's left on the table before us.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 05:26 PM (CNKtx)

182 The Trumpolice will pay handsomely for the lists of names when Mr. Trump is elected. Naturally those who opposed his candidacy will be handled; he reserves his most critical punishments for the apostates who initially supported him and then abandoned him to worship false idols.

Posted by: General Zod at March 10, 2016 05:26 PM (hgpSN)

183 "This election cycle, I went through these phases"

I only had two.

-- contemplates the GOP field

-- researches assisted suicide

Posted by: torquewrench at March 10, 2016 05:26 PM (noWW6)

184 BTW Politico now has up the audio recording of the moment Lewandowski
grabbed Fields and the back and forth between her and Terris in the
aftermath.


Did you mean transcript? I didn't find a recording.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 05:27 PM (uURQL)

185 vote for Trump just to be a cunt to Our Betters.


A YUGE campaign sign no-no.

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 05:27 PM (DL2i+)

186
Romney is not a con man and a wimp?

McCain is not a con man and a betrayer?

Bush wasn't an idiot and a con man?

These people are no different from Trump.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:27 PM (9yW+Y)

187 The politico tape backs up the reporter. You people are worse than our old Obama trolls. Pathetic.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 10, 2016 05:27 PM (HpeUK)

188 Cruz doctored that audio. If you heard the undoctered version you would hear the reporter say, ' I tried to hit Trump with a haymaker but that guy grabbed my arm. Foiled!!'

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 10, 2016 05:27 PM (xzZPy)

189 Ace: "Trump doesn't seem to do the most basic things associated with someone who's actually interested in the topic. He slapped Sessions' immigraiton plan up on his website, and then immediately and repeatedly contradicted the Sessions' plan's points about the abuse of the H1-B system and the need to get that under control."

I would say that, on immigration, Trump is Ann Coulter, without the encyclopedic facts and thousands of footnotes. You can use humor and bombast to make your case, IF it's backed up with actual substance. So that when customers drift in, attracted by your flashy billboard out front, there's an actual product they can buy into.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 10, 2016 05:28 PM (Rtyzj)

190 As I've said, I think Trump supporters and Cruz supporters have a lot in common, though we differ on some important thing. We both want to beat the GOPe, we are both a little angry. Many would support both. But many will not. I will not support (or vote for Trump). Neither man has locked up the nomination yet. So let's just keep the battle going. We may have to meet up again some day even if we can't come together this election. I don't think Ghost and other trump supporters are dumb or evil - just wrong on Trump and on what Trump can or will do.

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:28 PM (gmeXX)

191 Because everyone was thinking, "Forget the candidate. Get a picture of the campaign manager!"

Posted by: fluffy at March 10, 2016 05:23 PM (2hcmo)

Yes of course. In a room full of dozens upon dozens of cameras all over the place- and not one single video device caught the supposed "assault".

And you're comfortable with that vag-splaining?

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:28 PM (hpTxo)

192 I won't vote for him next Tuesday, but if he's the nom I'll gladly vote for him in the general and here's why. We're he pres, congress would suddenly rediscover that they're a co-equal branch. Stupid shit would be checked. If Hillary is pres, Mitch and Ryan will fall all over themselves to do her bidding for fear of being called sexist. Tell me I'm wrong.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 10, 2016 05:28 PM (kTF2Z)

193 I see Trump more as a guy who is keen to the obvious. He sees a bloc of people all emotionally motivated, whether by fear or betrayal by the GOP Establishment, and is smart enough to realize that people acting on emotion are the easiest to manipulate. "Build a Wall" got him millions and millions of voters, for free. How many times can he go to that well? We'll see.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2016 05:28 PM (2cS/G)

194 Cruz guy here, hot and cold on The Donald. I cringe sometimes. I cheer sometimes.

From what I can tell, Trump delves into details at the time the project's construction is to begin. If the general scheme looks good, he will be detail oriented when the time comes. I agree he could be a little more detail knowledge now, but it is the end goal now that matters. Before shovel hits dirt though, he will know what he thinks he needs to know and get the answers he needs for success. After ground breaking, he is neck deep in the finer points.

Simply stated, the picayune is just that until it matters to him. Otherwise, he will fill his busy head up with items that will not need to be addressed until later at which time he will re-fill his head. Why waste time in the first instance? would seem to be his MO.

That said, I hope he has someone other than the perp manager telling him how to deal with this reporterette manhandling as I think the manager knows he is hanging out there and does not want to lose the job of a lifetime.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 10, 2016 05:28 PM (g1MTt)

195 "The instant Trump has the nomination, any criticism he makes of Hillary Clinton will be defused by the media"

Can the media ignore Trump? I say no, and he has a lot to work with on Hillary.

Fiorina made PP Dead Baby Parts her theme and MSM just shut her off entirely. Dead air. I don't see that happening with Trump in the general. That's the upside of running the World's Greatest Freak Show,

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (r1fLd)

196 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 05:24 PM (w4NZ

Fen, I agree with your analysis of the statement, but (you saw that coming...) the level of moral outrage and general vapors around her lately is kind of amusing...

Posted by: kraken at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (sdxPm)

197 Of course it will end up being true, we've seen video already of Trump's actual paid security basically punching people for signs that make Trump unhappy.

It doesn't mean I like these antagonizers, but why is it all the other campaigns deal with this without any issues?

Same with the KKK question, of course it was stupid, but nobody else had a problem answering it and then had to cop some bullshit about an earpiece going out after the fact.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (R6NO9)

198 and, not to rant, but this new faux media scandal is the same pattern of fabricated nonsense. it starts off with insane hyperbole, ie: Trump campaign manager ASSAULTS reporter. Well, gee that sounds bad. but then it turns into "shoved to the ground" which is not quite assault but ok...then it turns into someone grabbed her arm and she didnt see who. oh, well ok, less bad. then we hear some oher guy say he saw it, and the campaign manager admitted it. OH, well thats that then...but then, of course, no, its "sources say" he admitted it. then we learn there is no video, in a room full of people with cameras, which is ...odd. Then , of course, we find out that its an anti trump reporter with a rather long history of vaguely familiar accusations. Can you really blame us if at this point, our default position is to assume the media is lying when they have a tendency to ..you know, LIE. A lot. like,. all the time, about everything ?

Posted by: john at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (oMdtQ)

199 Teh Donald is one pilfered Neil Kinnock speech away from the full Biden.

Never go full Biden.

Posted by: Kirk Lazarus at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (H9MG5)

200 Note to Cruz: If you want to bring over Trump supporters maybe you should start by not insulting them.

If he's that way within the base I can't wait to see how he'll reach out for the crossover and LIV votes.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (qHgBB)

201 Cruz doctored that audio.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck

Them Canucks are sneaky bastards. I bet Scott's behind it all, he's a dick.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (d9C8q)

202 If you believe we are too far down the path for a gradual or conventional solutions after 25 recent "New World Order" hard years and another 75 preceding soft years pushing us to become a socialized European style democracy you are left with about 3 choices.

1. A hot, blood-in-the-streets revolution (not likely)

2. A major external disruption like an economic collapse (increasingly likely) with some percentage chance that constitutional, individual rights small govt. ideals emerges from the rubble (not likely)

3. A revolution lead by a revolutionary figure that is embraced by a broad, rather than a narrow partisan push like you had with Obama. Will this come around again before it's too late with someone more palatable (not likely).

The boiling frog will eventually get fully boiled.

I support Cruz and will vote for him in the primary, most likely. He's by far the superior ideological candidate for me.

But, I have doubts he will beat Hillary after he is painted as a Santorum styled conservative who wants to take away your abortions and make the gays sad. It will be nonstop in the MSM and play into historic first vagina's playbook 100%. It will energize D women who might stay at home or vote for trump and stifle suburban soccer mom republicans. And if Cruz does win, can he push though what needs to be done with at best mild support from his R peers and a total opposition from the Ds and MSM?

For trump, he may be a total fraud, but if he's the nominee I'll vote for him with no reservations because we're past the point of that really mattering IMO. I should probably vote for him in the primary. He probably represents that last realistic chance we have to make any kind of serious change. I wouldn't count on an alternative revolutionary figure arising any time soon. This may be as good as it's ever going to get for people like us.

Posted by: Keith at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (nFB1w)

203
You people are worse than Hitler!!!!11!!!
You people are worse than OBL!!!11!!
You people are worse than Stalin!!!111!!!

lol

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 10, 2016 05:30 PM (iQIUe)

204 trev @176 said, ""Conservatives" like at National Review and Red State are wholly worthless as allies."

Obviously. That is the establishment. Remember that -every- Republican talks about being a conservative these days, not a single moderate in the bunch to hear em talk. I fully expect NR and the WSJ to issue a joint endorsement of Hillary before this election is over.

Posted by: John Morris at March 10, 2016 05:30 PM (sCRhB)

205 180
From politico:



A roughly two and a half minute audio recording of the incident
obtained by POLITICO - while not definitive - supports the reporter's
version of the events, which were witnessed by Washington Post reporter
Ben Terris.


Two and a half minutes and not one single camera in the place recorded it?

No shit?

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:30 PM (hpTxo)

206 There was this one time at Trump Camp........

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 10, 2016 05:30 PM (zv81W)

207 Why is Trump so lacking in knowledge about his signature issue?

The fact that it's his signature issue should tell you all you need to know about the depth of the intellectual pool on all other issues.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at March 10, 2016 05:30 PM (bp+SV)

208 Hillary is pres, Mitch and Ryan will fall all over themselves to do her bidding for fear of being called sexist. Tell me I'm wrong.
****************


You're not wrong, I think I read an article just today that said the same thing, how people who formerly thought Congress should rubber stamp everything Obama wants will suddenly rediscover a checks and balance system if Trump won.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:31 PM (qHgBB)

209
>>>We're he pres, congress would suddenly rediscover that they're a co-equal branch. Stupid shit would be checked. If Hillary is pres, Mitch and Ryan will fall all over themselves to do her bidding for fear of being called sexist. Tell me I'm wrong.
Nope. Not wrong at all. In fact let me expound on how right you are. . .
Consider

Nothing worse than a malicious drunken granny with the full weight of government behind her, zero media checks, zero judicial and congressional checks.

MaliciousCarter? nah, more like Stalin. Right down to the vodka an moustache.

Posted by: simplemind at March 10, 2016 05:31 PM (JTwsP)

210 Ace, that was my journey too.

I started being concerned about his being so thin skinned, not being able to let even the littlest knock on him go (hence the spectacle of his defending his penis size during a presidential debate). Lack of self control is not a good thing in anyone, least of all a president.

And his impossibly large ego. Putin stroked it and so he praised Putin, even to the point of saying that Putin's jailing or killing of journalist wasn't such a big deal. America does stuff like that sometimes too, right? All it took was Putin saying something nice about him.

Perhaps my biggest issue is that the constitution seems to be irrelevant to him. For me, the rule of law is of the utmost importance, separating functional countries from banana republics. My impression is that he would run roughshod over the Constitution and the rule of law in order to get what he wants done, if that is what it took.

He is still preferable to Hillary, though that is not a high bar to clear.

I support Cruz because of all the people left, he seems to me to be the one most dedicated to conservatism and the Constitution. I don't have any illusions about him being perfect. I don't need someone perfect. I don't invest so much hope in a politician, who by virtue of being a politician is almost certainly going to be shady in some ways. But to me Kama he's the best of the lot. Which is why I don't feel the need to defend him to the death.

I felt what is people did to Ben Carson wasn't nice, even though later on I realized that it wasn't as big a deal as I thought at first. Ace has also posted some stuff critical of Cruz and started supporting him as his first choice quite some time after I made that decision for myself.

I will say that one thing I find a little disturbing about a lot of trump supporters is that they seem to defend every single thing he does. It's as if there's no allowance given for the that as a human being he can makes mistakes. They accuse others of flip-flopping wow your guy flip flops live on national TV on the platform that puts him at the top of the heap. And other things like that. I just don't get it.

I don't know if they truly believe what they post or if they just feel the need to defend him because he is being hit on all sides. I understand the latter impulse, I suppose.

And I say this as someone who used to defend Trump at the beginning and thought that he was a very valuable candidate. I still maintain that he did many good things for this election season, but I can't take him anymore.

This is just my personal opinion.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:32 PM (Lk67m)

211 I'm still waiting for Glenn Beck's video evidence of those brutal Trump Nazi MILFs who were supposedly harassing him.

Ilsa, She-Wolf of the Trump Campaign.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 05:32 PM (oVJmc)

212 Sorry for posting a mini movie review!

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:32 PM (Lk67m)

213 >>> Yes of course. In a room full of dozens upon dozens of cameras all over the place- and not one single video device caught the supposed "assault".

Why don't you just ask Mr Lewandowski to give account? I suppose you are on a first name basis.

Posted by: fluffy at March 10, 2016 05:33 PM (2hcmo)

214 A guy who's interested in classic cars knows a lot about classic cars. It's not work-- it's something that he just finds pleasurable to know about.

Iowahawk

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 05:33 PM (qCMvj)

215 Cruz is my guy.
No apologies.

Posted by: navybrat at March 10, 2016 05:33 PM (8QGte)

216 Ace, I hear you, but I also think Trump is a good manager and delegator, cf. his fortune, international businesses that generate good cash flow,

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Evidence of that?

His jet? Do you have any idea what it take just to fuel up one of those boys, much less what the annual maintenance is? I don't know about a 757, but I do know that a Gulfstream G5 is about 20k to gas up and at least a million a year in maintenance. Trump rolls in a 757, a much larger jet.

His businesses are private and so I don't have access to the reports like one would with a publicly traded company to barf up for you, but any dude who travels by 757 and whose first name isn't Sheik has good cash flow.

Posted by: major major major major at March 10, 2016 05:33 PM (egsah)

217 I have nothing in common with Trump supporters.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 10, 2016 05:33 PM (xzZPy)

218 Charles Johnson over at gotnews has some interesting insights about Ms. Fields. Apparently she does have a history of making accusations - computer hacking, West grabbing her breast, assaulted when she worked for a Student for Liberty organization..seems to be a rather unfortunate young lady.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 05:33 PM (a0IVu)

219

Palin's turned her guns on Cruz.

tsk tsk

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 05:34 PM (qCMvj)

220 I fully expect NR and the WSJ to issue a joint endorsement of Hillary before this election is over.

Posted by: John Morris at March 10, 2016 05:30 PM (sCRhB)

Oh dear GOD, I don't ask for much, but please give me this. I can't think of anything that would solidify the case for Trump more strongly. Even LIVs will instantly understand and react with visceral fury at the betrayal.

What I dislike most about Cruz taking Bush money is that, as Trump has shown, it's completely unnecessary. You can win without needing tons of money, and if Trump's such an awful person then why can't any of his critics put up someone equally convincing? Someone who doesn't need $100 million of donor money? Including and especially Senator Ted Cruz?

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 05:34 PM (MEHba)

221 I want to add that anyone who would actually physically go to the voting booth and select Hillary because they don't like Trump is worse than whatever their opinion of Trump is.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:34 PM (Lk67m)

222 I will say that one thing I find a little disturbing about a lot of trump supporters is that they seem to defend every single thing he does.
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This really isn't Trump specific, I've seen this also with Cruz and also with the dozen or so supporters who voted for Rubio. No matter how much we say otherwise, people tend to fall victim to the cult of personality.

I lean Trump but see him as an imperfect candidate with a lot of great potential if he could stop raising his hands all the time to defend his manhood.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:35 PM (qHgBB)

223
Hmmm as between a political campaign manager and a reporter whom to believe?

It is impossible to come up with a scenario in which, on its face, I could have more doubt in both sides.

Posted by: simplemind at March 10, 2016 05:35 PM (JTwsP)

224 "Palin's turned her guns on Cruz."

That could be taken in one of at least two ways...

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 10, 2016 05:35 PM (iIzG7)

225 Evidence of that?

His jet? Do you have any idea what it take just to fuel up one of those boys, much less what the annual maintenance is? I don't know about a 757, but I do know that a Gulfstream G5 is about 20k to gas up and at least a million a year in maintenance. Trump rolls in a 757, a much larger jet.

His businesses are private and so I don't have access to the reports like one would with a publicly traded company to barf up for you, but any dude who travels by 757 and whose first name isn't Sheik has good cash flow.

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I have no clue what his cash flow is. Normally I wouldn't care, but Trump and his supporters are the one that offer it up as some sort of basis to support him. But offering up a jet tells me nothing.

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:35 PM (gmeXX)

226 Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 05:33 PM (a0IVu)

But, it's the serious nature of the charge.

Posted by: kraken at March 10, 2016 05:36 PM (sdxPm)

227 I'm from Texas. Secession is starting to sound pretty damned good.


...
Please wait until after I move there.


You want to see a real immigration crisis.

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 05:36 PM (DL2i+)

228 I want to add that anyone who would actually physically go to the voting booth and select Hillary because they don't like Trump is worse than whatever their opinion of Trump is.
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I voted for Romney. If I voted for Trump I would still consider the vote to Romney to be the absolute low point of my civic duty.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:36 PM (qHgBB)

229 His businesses are private and so I don't have access to the reports like one would with a publicly traded company to barf up for you, but any dude who travels by 757 and whose first name isn't Sheik has good cash flow.

Posted by: major major major major



Or someone who inherited $400 million in property and just watched it go up over several decades.

Donald trump being wealthy doesn't impress me, Kim Kardashian is worth hundreds of millions.

Trump is a celebrity pretending to be a businessman. The jet is all part of his schtick.

that's why he won't release his tax records because he's not nearly as rich as he pretends. His whole facade would go up in smoke.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:36 PM (R6NO9)

230 I mean anyone claiming to be a conservative who votes for Hillary.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:36 PM (Lk67m)

231 I'm not anti-Trump. He's not my first choice, but if I thought it mattered and we could save this thing, I'd could comfortably vote for him instead of Hillary. That vote wouldn't even make me disgusted with myself like voting for McCain.

My viewpoint of Trump hasn't really changed: he's a loudmouth I don't trust who probably is a much more stable and capable person in private and when it counts in business.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 05:36 PM (39g3+)

232 #141
Look Obama is a leftist ideologue. . .its pretty clear based on his personal history and political activity he is. . .but he always has been one. I think its 100% wrong, but at least Obama HAS a political philosophy.

Trump? The only consistent "principle" in Donald Trumps life has been for enriching Donald Trump. Note that I don't necessarily expect Trump (or any GOP nominee) to stick 100% to the Conservative philosophy template. But for the life of me, I still don't know what the hell Trump actually believes, and I'm firmly convinced he doesn't believe ANYTHING, except "it would be pretty cool to move into the White House and order people around".

Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2016 05:37 PM (hoiM7)

233 I lean Trump but see him as an imperfect candidate with a lot of great potential if he could stop raising his hands all the time to defend his manhood.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:35 PM (qHgBB)

I don't know if that's true, what he does has got him a very long way. People call for Trumpism without Trump, but it's ridiculous: an average person, or even a skilled politician, would have been smashed long before they could advocate so strongly against illegal immigration.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 05:37 PM (MEHba)

234 I understand the Edison Sound Company has a wax Voice-O-Phone recording of this dastardly assault by Trumps wymens-hating thugs.

As of yet, no visual kinesigraph recordings of the incident can be found.

But we understand a wireless recording may exist somewhere in a Marconi lab.

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:37 PM (hpTxo)

235 you should post negative stuff about golden don. all these guys should be open to criticism - we know especially little about don because he's never had a responsible political job, so when he chooses between two alternatives we don't know what he would pick

No to fanboy crap

no matter whose president this time next year, they will end up disappointing you if you get really excited about them (or even a little excited)

Posted by: Ben H at March 10, 2016 05:37 PM (gJEsZ)

236 This really isn't Trump specific, I've seen this also with Cruz and also with the dozen or so supporters who voted for Rubio. No matter how much we say otherwise, people tend to fall victim to the cult of personality.

Every political candidate has dead-enders. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

Except Jim Gilmore. Because his supporter was imaginary.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 05:38 PM (oVJmc)

237 225 I want to add that anyone who would actually physically go to the voting booth and select Hillary because they don't like Trump is worse than whatever their opinion of Trump is.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:34 PM (Lk67m)

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Thank you, Chique. Sums it up nicely, I think.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 10, 2016 05:38 PM (kTF2Z)

238 "Palin's turned her guns on Cruz."

Does this mean that Sarah is now a Trump Nazi MILF?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 10, 2016 05:38 PM (noWW6)

239 I still don't know what the hell Trump actually believes, and I'm firmly convinced he doesn't believe ANYTHING, except "it would be pretty cool to move into the White House and order people around".
Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2016 05:37 PM (hoiM7)


Yup I'd agree with that, but of course, that still puts him ahead of fat ass or the commie.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 10, 2016 05:38 PM (DUoqb)

240 Two and a half minutes and not one single camera in the place recorded it?

No shit?



Stop digging.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (evdj2)

241 242 If she poses in the outfit I may need to retire to my bunk for a while...

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (B48dK)

242 I'm anti-Trump primary, pro-Trump general election.

But my vote is a protest vote, I know Trump is actually worst than most politicians, that's how low of an opinion I have of him.

I like that he talks border security, that's about it.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (R6NO9)

243 And I don't get being impressed with a guy running for president simply because he is supposed to be super rich. Seems somewhat shallow. There are other people richer than Trump, and I'm not going to support them for president either.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (Lk67m)

244 *peeks in*

Some guy told me there was a Trump thread around here somewheres.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (8ZskC)

245 As I say be very very afraid of Hildabeast, not voting is your choice but actually voting for her is really against everything this country once stood for.

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (fizMZ)

246 I want to add that anyone who would actually physically go to the voting
booth and select Hillary because they don't like Trump is worse than
whatever their opinion of Trump is.

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Agreed. I will reluctantly vote for Trump vs. the She Hag, because well, I know what she is. At least with him, a Trump presidency would be like a Forrest Gump box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

That said, while I wouldn't stay home if he were it, I would stay home if it was another Establishment retread. My support for the GOPe is beyond over.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (QV5OZ)

247 I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.

Posted by: quotes from the Trumpavad Gita at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (WOyz5)

248 196 I won't vote for him next Tuesday, but if he's the nom I'll gladly vote for him in the general and here's why. We're he pres, congress would suddenly rediscover that they're a co-equal branch. Stupid shit would be checked. If Hillary is pres, Mitch and Ryan will fall all over themselves to do her bidding for fear of being called sexist. Tell me I'm wrong.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 10, 2016 05:28 PM (kTF2Z)
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I agree. Congress would fight him.
And he would also be opposed by the media.

That's the single biggest difference between a GOP and a Dem POTUS. The latter is unrestrained.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (T/5A0)

249 So Cruz had to fire campaign staff for a bungled translation, let's see if Trump will fire this asshole for assault.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (y9ZJX)

250 I have no clue what his cash flow is. Normally I wouldn't care, but Trump and his supporters are the one that offer it up as some sort of basis to support him. But offering up a jet tells me nothing.

OK, but what would? My point was that he has good managers working for him, cf. his wealth, cash flow, and their discretion. You asked for evidence of that, I gave what I could, given the fact that his businesses are privately-held, and you sniff at that. OK fine, but that's kind of on you.

I'm not suggesting that you must love Donald Trump, but it is a stone-cold fact that a single man cannot run these businesses by himself, and a single man cannot travel by 757 without cash flow.

Posted by: major major major major at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (egsah)

251 Mmm. Chocolates.

Posted by: homer simpson at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (WOyz5)

252 God forbid the Republicans should have a salesman leading them! Where would that get them?

It's 2016 folks and you have to deal with a 2016 electorate. Trump is how you get moderates to listen to your arguments...........if half the GOP wasn't busy trying to destroy him. Obama got reelected for crying out loud. Suits don't get any emptier than his.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (PvCxa)

253
Keith above said it very well.

A very, very high level of information and direct life experience can lead to what is ususally dismissed as a lazy and "cynical" conclusion, when it comes to the state of the nation.

The minority of practically intelligent, civically aware, American-mindset, rule of law supporting, non-racist, economically and constitutionally literate, wordly people in the US is cornered, trapped. They really have no representation or voice, or influence.

Cruz is quite impressive in many ways despite his comparative junior status and lack of experience. Who knows, he might actually make a difference if he gets the chance. But I have a feeling we'll know that he won't get a chance, and we'll know it a week from today.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (QDnY+)

254 I have no embarrassment threshold, but I absolutely agree that I don't think he's going to do half of what he says.



But he's still my Number 2 out of what's left on the table before us.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 05:26 PM (CNKtx)


Ditto.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (JO9+V)

255 Why don't you just ask Mr Lewandowski to give account? I suppose you are on a first name basis.

Posted by: fluffy at March 10, 2016 05:33 PM (2hcmo)


So...... your answer is: No. There is no actual video evidence of all of this hyped outrage.

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (hpTxo)

256 Yeah the party's over...I do wish Cruz wasn't such an unctuous godbag.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte, following ace like a lost puppeh at March 10, 2016 05:41 PM (3CP+M)

257 Note to Cruz: If you want to bring over Trump supporters maybe you should start by not insulting them.

If he's that way within the base I can't wait to see how he'll reach out for the crossover and LIV votes.
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (qHgBB)


yea, this was another mistake imo

here's the quote:

"Donald does well with voters who have relatively low information, who are not that engaged and who are angry and they see him as an angry voice. Where we are beating him is when voters' get more engaged and they get more informed."



Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 05:41 PM (qCMvj)

258 Anyone who says ' I will not vote for the nominee if it is (insert favored candidate)', please listen in to the next Democratic debate and see if that changes your mind. I listened in yesterday and it's going to be a while new, ugly world if Bernie or Hillary get elected.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 05:41 PM (a0IVu)

259 any dude who travels by 757 and whose first name isn't Sheik has good cash flow.

Yeah, just owning a jumbo jet costs millions a year, without flying a single mile. He's doing fine in terms of cash, whatever that's worth.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 05:41 PM (39g3+)

260 I think Kari killed someone with a trident.

Now I miss the Maserati.

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 05:41 PM (DL2i+)

261 And I don't get being impressed with a guy running for president simply because he is supposed to be super rich. Seems somewhat shallow. There are other people richer than Trump, and I'm not going to support them for president either.
Posted by: chique d'afrique



I guess if Mark Zuckerberg ran, these same people would have to go for him because he has more money than Trump.

It's all about who has the largest checkbook because it shows business prowess, or something.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:41 PM (R6NO9)

262 221
I have nothing in common with Trump supporters.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck


Sure you do Joe!

They like kitties and babies and walks on the beach just like you.

They may not be elitist, self-important assholes, but then you can't have everything.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (maoCu)

263
I don't know what Trump really believes either. But I think that after he gets the nomination, Trump will be dead-set on defeating the Democrat, which is more than I could say for Romney or McCain.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (9yW+Y)

264 You may recall the other day when I opined that Foghat was the worst band in modern history. Today, I want to reiterate those remarks.

Posted by: Weasel at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (e3bId)

265 What I dislike most about Cruz taking Bush money is that, as Trump has shown, it's completely unnecessary. You can win without needing tons of money, and if Trump's such an awful person then why can't any of his critics put up someone equally convincing? Someone who doesn't need $100 million of donor money? Including and especially Senator Ted Cruz?


Are you thinking that Trump is going to spend his own money in the general? Prepare for disappointment.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (evdj2)

266 I have no embarrassment threshold, but I absolutely agree that I don't think he's going to do half of what he says.



But he's still my Number 2 out of what's left on the table before us.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 05:26 PM (CNKtx)


Ditto.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (JO9+V)

Me, too. I won't like it, but I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump if it becomes absolutely necessary.

Posted by: antisocialist at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (9n14Y)

267 Trump is right there with Hillary on my never vote for list. If it's Trump and Hillary I am voting 3rd party. If it's Trump and Bernie I will actually be voting Bernie.

Yeah, Trump unnerves me that much.

Posted by: Tommy V at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (SRQwr)

268 Stop digging.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (evdj2)

Stop digging for actual video evidence to substantiate these histrionic accusations?

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (hpTxo)

269 I will vote for Trump if he gets the nomination because Hillary is probably worse and I live in a swing state.

I really, really hope Cruz wins the nomination. He's not perfect, but he's the best of the choices, in my opinion.

Posted by: Jill v2 at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (1+uyO)

270 Note to Cruz: If you want to bring over Trump supporters maybe you should start by not insulting them.

Yeah, there are some truths that don't need to be said, especially in a campaign. Romney was right about the 47% but it was a truth that didn't need to be said.

Tough to avoid that when you talk all day for a living and people have a mic in your face all the time, but still. Its your job. Discipline.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (39g3+)

271
Embarrassment threshold.

To be honest ifone still thinks of oneself as republican at this point, embarrassment isn't really an issue for that one.

Posted by: simplemind at March 10, 2016 05:43 PM (JTwsP)

272
Trump has ultimately done well in every endeavor he's undertaken. People are betting his presidency will work out that way for US.


See, this is demonstratively, factually, provably false. Yet I could show a million cites, and all of them would be ignored. How sad is it that someone who obviously needs a messiah to believe in......chose Trump. That's like having your choice of cuts of prime grade, aged angus beef, and choosing the tongue.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 10, 2016 05:43 PM (nlbLf)

273 trump is like that boy who yelled that the emperor had no clothes - it is not emotion, people are just tired with politicians using oblique formulas and being afraid. even if someone accidentally says something obvious - that we need a border, or that we need to stop settling potential terrorist in the major US cities, they are forced to apologize because everyone in politics is sponsored by someone - and sponsors become unhappy and yank the chain. cruz may be independent now, but he will be up to his eyeballs in sponsors in no time. he has neil bush involved - explains how a texan can win maine.

Posted by: runner at March 10, 2016 05:43 PM (c6/9Q)

274 "Posted by: fixerupper at March 10, 2016 05:07 PM (8XRCm) "

Yeah, vote against Cruz, the only guy the establishment hates as much as Trump. That'll show em?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (4/i9Y)

275 any dude who travels by 757 and whose first name isn't Sheik has good cash flow

757? Hah. That's yesterday's airplane. Any slob can pick one up for $15M.

These days, all the cool people are flying by broom.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For Us at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (8ZskC)

276
I listened in yesterday and it's going to be a while new, ugly world if Bernie or Hillary get elected.

I mentioned this yesterday. It's obvious that most people here are not watching the D debates. If they were, they'd be appalled. I cannot believe the issues they are discussing with straight faces.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (9yW+Y)

277 http://tinyurl.com/zjfz465


Anyone claiming to know that Trump doesn't make money is either financially illiterate or simply an asshole. They may be both.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (MEHba)

278 OK, but what would? My point was that he has good managers working for him, cf. his wealth, cash flow, and their discretion. You asked for evidence of that, I gave what I could, given the fact that his businesses are privately-held, and you sniff at that. OK fine, but that's kind of on you.

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What is his wealth? No one knows, but no one in the know believes it is anywhere close to what he claims it to be. And he inherited a lot. If he started from scratch, I would be more impressed. If he wasn't out hocking steaks, vodka, water, etc. I'd be impressed. You don't meet a lot of billionaires who are pitchmen. It makes me questions his wealth. Who are his managers. Just because you are wealthy doesn't mean you have good managers.

I don't sniff that his businesses are privately held. That is his business. But when he says I am so great, I am so wealthy, I have great managers so vote for me. Well yeah, then I start asking to see some sort of proof.

He could be in debt up to his eyeballs for all I know.

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (gmeXX)

279 Here is a reason, Ace, to like Trump, warts and all.

What is he about? Himself. Trump hotels, Trump steaks etc. Ego. "Me. My accomplishments. My bestest and grandestest everything. Theirs suck green donkey dicks. Mine is Yuuuge and far greater than anyone else's. Trump's name means that."

Now, he knows it will not be the "United States of Trump" when elected. He knows too, however, it will be the "TRUMP Administration" for time immemorial. Him. His name. His accomplishments. If he "Makes America Great Again", it will be his name associated with that. The converse as well.

Thus, what motivates him will motivate him to have a good brand at the end of his term.

It is that which comforts me as he does what he does.


Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (g1MTt)

280 One no Trump.

Posted by: Al Goren at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (FkBIv)

281 Yeah, just owning a jumbo jet costs millions a year, without flying a single mile. He's doing fine in terms of cash, whatever that's worth.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor



Who has ever said Trump doesn't have money?
Nobody.

People have made the case that he's not worth billions, but Trump refuses to give people hard evidence to prove he's as rich as he really is.

We know the guy inherited hundreds of millions and has been a well paid celebrity for a while, he can fly around on a jet.

My issue with the guy not really being that wealthy? He's a shitty businessman, he's living like a rapper on dwindling funds, and he can't self-finance a campaign.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (R6NO9)

282 Posted by: Tommy V at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (SRQwr)

Then go play at some democratic blog

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 10, 2016 05:44 PM (DUoqb)

283 Trumpeteers are more annoying than the Cult of Lup Nor.

Posted by: Mr Perfect at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (yn6XZ)

284 inadvertent strike through. whoops

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (g1MTt)

285 261 Note to Cruz: If you want to bring over Trump supporters maybe you should start by not insulting them.

I don't think this is a bad tactic. You will not get Trump supporters to switch. They did not get to their vote intellectually, so you will not change their mind intellectually.

Cruz is trying to make any late deciders voting for Trump by making it embarrassing to do so. "Voted for Rubio but he's out? Don't go to trump. That's where the rubes go."

Posted by: Tommy V at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (SRQwr)

286 Stop digging for actual video evidence to substantiate these histrionic accusations?

Yes. You got eyewitness accounts, then audio evidence. You're just going to be embarrassed when the video does come out.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (evdj2)

287 I mean anyone claiming to be a conservative who votes for Hillary.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:36 PM (Lk67m)

I agree with just about everything you said, but I won't vote for Trump, I will most likely write someone in. I can't in good conscience pull the lever for someone IMO is fraud.

Anyway, it's Happy Hour, cheers to all.

Posted by: spypeach at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (nyYhO)

288 Trump is how you get moderates to listen to your arguments...........if half the GOP wasn't busy trying to destroy him. Obama got reelected for crying out loud. Suits don't get any emptier than his.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 10, 2016 05:40 PM (PvCxa)

Are you saying he's making conservative arguments? Because I don't see it.

It's like people wanting change and voting for Obama without considering what that change might be.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (Lk67m)

289
Honest to Christ, listening to Sanders and Clinton battle each other for the Left's coronation and pander to the sickening appalling idiots in the audience, you'd think obama was a centrist compared to them.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (9yW+Y)

290 Trump inherited money but not hundreds of millions.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)

291 You can win without needing tons of money

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Its easier to not need money when you get a lot more press. I don't begrudge Trump on that. But other campaigns need money.

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (gmeXX)

292 I laughed out loud. They will eat him by slivers once he has the nomination.

There are buildings all over with TRUMP written on them in larger capitals than any media outfits.

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DL2i+)

293 Will Ace have a post attacking the NYPD as being an embarrassment for roughing up Fields while she was in "libertarian reporter mode" at a OWS riot (rally, fight, whatever)?

Do you think Patton should have been relived of duty for the slap? Now granted he then tried to shoot the guy...but hey he did get his job back. I guess winning World War II was more important than Andy Rooney being embarrassed about Patton's "beastly" behavior. Was Patton an embarrassment also?

Just saying...you know to find out where people come from on things like this. I find people have strange embarrassment thresholds on certain things that don't make sense from a logical point of view. Emotional yes...but logical not.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (q52Ma)

294 They made that audio recording in a studio two days before the alleged incident. If you play the tape backwards it says 'must destroy trump. '. Actually it sounds more like Chump but you get the gist of what they are attempting.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (xzZPy)

295 I've never liked Trump. I grew up in Central Jersey so watched him pal around with Florio, McGreevy, Corzine and all the other Dem leadership.

My vote would have been Walker but he badly managed his money and was out before a single vote was cast.

My second choice is Cruz and I did vote for him in the primary (no longer live in Jersey).

IF Trump wins I will vote for him but it will be another hold my nose vote.

The only thing Trump has going for him is he pisses off the GOPe that would be enough to get my vote in a general election.

Posted by: Big V at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (BAHqV)

296 "Donald does well with voters who have relatively low information, who are not that engaged and who are angry and they see him as an angry voice. Where we are beating him is when voters' get more engaged and they get more informed."
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And this is why Cruz depresses me. It's the same attitude I see from Obama. "Well you know, if those unwashed and uninformed rednecks would just understand how AWESOME my plans are, there would be no earthly reason for them not to support me."

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (qHgBB)

297 You don't meet a lot of billionaires who are pitchmen. It makes me questions his wealth. Who are his managers. Just because you are wealthy doesn't mean you have good managers.

_________________________


If you're truly a billionaire, you don't hock shit like Trump University that teaches people how to flip properties.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (R6NO9)

298 @Ace/Original Post:

The thing is, you already explained this after the SC Debate. You had a lot invested in GW Bush's reputation, and Trump, so carelessly attacking him, signalled to you that "he wasn't part of the Tribe" (your words).

So this is redundant, and I have to say, appears to just be an attempt to drive support to Cruz, following this incident.

You also said Trump would drop into second place because of the GW Bush stuff. Wrong about that, and wrong about this.

No one gives a fuck about the "Press." The approval polls of your profession are as low as those for Congress, literally, and Congress actually takes people's money.

So now we have another PC thing. Women are as tough as men, if not tougher. Women in combat, women as Commander in Chief.

But a woman can't get grabbed like any male reporter in the situation, without everyone retiring to their hospital beds? Bullshit.

No. One. Cares. We are going to vote for Trump. Even if he loses all "57 states," we are going to vote for Trump.

Because at least one of the two Major Political Parties is going to be made to realize that all this shit has to stop. Period. Whatever the cost.

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (/dGwh)

299 Posted by: spypeach at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (nyYhO)

rationalize all you want and need to but a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for hillary.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)

300 Yes. You got eyewitness accounts, then audio evidence. You're just going to be embarrassed when the video does come out.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (evdj2)


So.... what's holding up that devastating video evidence thus far?

Posted by: Herbert Spinecki at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (hpTxo)

301 That stuff in your mouth is leftovers from Obama.

Posted by: President Trump at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (yn6XZ)

302 i]I still don't know what the hell Trump actually believes, and I'm firmly convinced he doesn't believe ANYTHING, except "it would be pretty cool to move into the White House and order people around"

Yeah, most likely. I'm not sure he's thought this through to the depth that, say, Ted Cruz has (or Obama did) although he's definitely given it some thought. You get glimpses of his core in statements like "I donated to everybody because you had to and that needs to change," I think. I suspect he'd be very business-friendly, perhaps too business-friendly. Let's just say he's not the anti-Chamber of Commerce guy.

But if you're of the mind that its all going to hell anyway, at least he'd be amusing in that chair. And he'd probably respect the office more than Obama, at least.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (39g3+)

303 voting Trump has far else to do with Trump than it does with everyone else. The establishment GOP has proved itself to be inept, duplicitous, and staggeringly...i mean staggeringly corrupt. Instead of making amends, or even acknowledging that they have screwed the pooch on a grand scale...they abuse and name call those of us who have grasped this obvious fact. Being corrupt and incompetent is one thing, getting freaking snooty about it ? F You pal. like forever, and for all time. Trump is a lot of things, but the GOPe is far far worse. To keep voting for the exact same group of A holes over and over again....at some point you become complicit. So no, i literally do not care if Trump shoots michele fields on fifth avenue, because that leaves him still ten times the man that lindsay graham or karl rove or marco rubio etc etc etc is. What people dont get about trump is what they dont get about Trump. He's not mocking us, he's winking at us. the game is not being played on us, we're part of it. the joke is on the GOPe and their enablers and their hysterical media sycophants and self styled "elites" your way has failed. period. you had your shot. you pissed all over yourselves. I'm going a different way. you can keep banging your head against a wall and mumbling about True Conservatism (tm) Whatever the f*k that means. I'm out.

Posted by: johnny at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (oMdtQ)

304 I love how people fix on a single sentence, or even clause, in these little internet debates, and completely ignore the main thrust of an argument. Mattis said powerpoint makes us stupid, and I've seen way too many powerpoint presentations to disagree. IMO the internet makes us assholes.

Posted by: major major major major at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (egsah)

305 Posted by: spypeach at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (nyYhO)

I understand if people stay home or write someone else in, but to actually vote for Hillary? Any conservative who does so is dead to me and I don't want to hear a word from him or her. It's much worse than voting Obama the first time, and that was egregious.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (Lk67m)

306
Posted by: Tommy V

You've always been a shithead, so at least you're consistent.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (9yW+Y)

307 I don't think I've ever seen such a look of misery and dejection on the face of my daughter as I just did a moment ago. She just couldn't understand why the Corey Lewandowski would undermine the efforts of Trump-friendly Breitbart reporters. "Even Michelle Fields?" she asked pitifully.

I sat down with her on the sofa and (as calmly as I could) tried to explain to her why Corey Lewandowski has rushed to judgment and besmirched the good name of every Trump-friendly Breitbart reporter, past and present. "And yes honey, even Michelle Fields", I was forced to say.

I tried to keep my voice steady, but it became increasingly difficult - the rage and feelings of helplessness were just too much. I think my daughter could tell something was wrong. I found myself at such a loss for words - nothing made any sense; nothing makes sense anymore. I finally had to admit, "Honey, I just don't know - I don't know what's going on in this country anymore..."

When I finished her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears, "Daddy" she said, "why are the Trump-ets doing this to the country?" Well, that was it for me: I finally fell apart. She just fell into my arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes.

For once she had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. Sometimes I just think it's too much, but seeing the strength in my young daughter's voice helped me to get through.

Posted by: Chris Crocker at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (e8kgV)

308 293


Honest to Christ, listening to Sanders and Clinton battle each other
for the Left's coronation and pander to the sickening appalling idiots
in the audience, you'd think obama was a centrist compared to them.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (9yW+Y)
That was EXACTLY what I was thinking last night! If it had to be either Bernie or Hillary, can we just have Obama for another term. They make him sound sane.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (a0IVu)

309 That number 2 thing-endorsed. He's just seemed so snake oil salesman to me from the start.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (sqpGi)

310 How sad is it that someone who obviously needs a messiah to believe in......chose Trump

wow, I disagree with WD for the very first time.

I believe that the messiah-seekers will be found next to the Constitutional-law-god-who-walks-among-us faction of our little conclave.

You know , the guy who can argue a case in the Supreme Court but can't communicate his vision of the country or manage to beat Trump in anything but closed primary states( translation Republican echo-chambers) .






Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (maoCu)

311 Note to Cruz: If you want to bring over Trump supporters maybe you should start by not insulting them.

If he's that way within the base I can't wait to see how he'll reach out for the crossover and LIV votes.
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:29 PM (qHgBB)

yea, this was another mistake imo

here's the quote:

"Donald does well with voters who have relatively low information, who are not that engaged and who are angry and they see him as an angry voice. Where we are beating him is when voters' get more engaged and they get more informed."



Posted by: artisanal 'ette



If we promise to cross over to Cruz, do we get a soccer ball and a teddy bear?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (kDUUX)

312 No one gives a fuck about the "Press." The approval polls of your profession

Ace is "the press"?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (w4NZ8)

313 Trump inherited money but not hundreds of millions.
Posted by: Nevergiveup


His father's estate was worth $400 million according to reports I've read.

And no telling how much of that empire had been put into Donald's Trust over the years.

Donald had gotten a million dollar loan from his father when Donald was 50 years old.

The guy is a trust fund brat and he acts accordingly.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (R6NO9)

314 I don't know what Trump really believes either. But I think that after
he gets the nomination, Trump will be dead-set on defeating the
Democrat, which is more than I could say for Romney or McCain.
===

I agree with that.

But I think Cruz would fight too.

Just because Trump is willing to fight to get into the White house doesn't mean he'll do a good job once in office.

Best (only) redeeming thing I can say about Trump is that MAYBE if elected he'll rise to the occasion, and that "benign neglect" is a perfectly good (perhaps the best) way to run most domestic policy.



Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (hoiM7)

315 Trump = ll Duce. A dangerous con man.

Posted by: John at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (Gjh4J)

316 Tough to avoid that when you talk all day for a living and people have a mic in your face all the time, but still. Its your job. Discipline.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 05:42 PM (39g3+)

Say what you want about the Trump campaign, but his style only appears simple and improvised. There's a reason he was able to condemn the Iraq War, in the GOP primary, and still come out ahead. That reason is far, far more discipline than anyone else credits him for.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (MEHba)

317 Honest to Christ, listening to Sanders and Clinton battle each other
for the Left's coronation and pander to the sickening appalling idiots
in the audience, you'd think obama was a centrist compared to them.

--

It's as frightening as it is appalling. One can only imagine where the Dem party will be in the next 5-10 years. It's darned near full-blown communism now. And the audience dummies cheer, scream and clap. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (QV5OZ)

318 There are buildings all over with TRUMP written on them in larger capitals than any media outfits.


I have no idea what this is supposed to convey. The media can't drip drip drip bad, maybe distorted, news about Trump every day? I'm pretty sure they can and will.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (evdj2)

319 They did not get to their vote intellectually, so you will not change their mind intellectually.
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I'm sure Glenn Beck agrees with that assessment.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (qHgBB)

320 If you're truly a billionaire, you don't hock shit like Trump University that teaches people how to flip properties.

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Exactly. Nor steaks.

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (gmeXX)

321 Posted by: quotes from the Trumpavad Gita at March 10, 2016 05:39 PM (WOyz5)

your socks are killingme

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 05:49 PM (CNKtx)

322 Nolte is supporting Cruz as is the guy who funds the Breitbart site itself. That isn't to say Nolte dislikes Trump but you are incorrect in your assumptions right in the first few paragraphs. Another sloppy piece by Ace who has been phoning it in for months now.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at March 10, 2016 05:49 PM (Bcqod)

323 I'm not even convinced building a wall was his signature issue. Probably not even illegals. You know how many times Trump mentioned building a wall on the southern border in his announcement speech? Zero. Seems sort of a small number for your signature issue, no?

Trump's platform is simple. Both parties are rock bottom in public perception. Independents far outnumber Republican or Democrats but you can't mount a serious presidential campaign as an independent.

So you look at which Party is the easiest to co-opt and in this cycle with Hillary! having it wrapped up before the first primary that was an easy call. And then you build a campaign around populist messages that run down the middle and poach from the edges of each Party.

Smart politics. Devoid of any principles which is why Trump is flustered if he is pressed on the details of any plan (no cuts to any entitlement but we are going to make them work) but smart politics.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 10, 2016 05:49 PM (/tuJf)

324 Funny how Ace becomes so vigorously Anti-Trump at the exact time that Cruz's Bush ties get stronger.


Posted by: fdarnc at March 10, 2016 05:49 PM (fG412)

325 This is the kind of talk that got you unlinked at HotAzz.

Posted by: Xavier at March 10, 2016 05:49 PM (WBvO5)

326 There's a reason he was able to condemn the Iraq War, in the GOP primary, and still come out ahead.

Rubio primarily.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:49 PM (evdj2)

327 "Because at least one of the two Major Political Parties is going to be made to realize that all this shit has to stop. Period. Whatever the cost. "

^^^^^^^THIS

Posted by: johnny at March 10, 2016 05:50 PM (oMdtQ)

328 Here is what I do know..... Trump, and to a lesser extent Cruz, are reactions to a feckless GOPe and an insane democrat party. One of them will come out of this as President. I am no Trump fan but I do understand the base of his appeal. He is out there kicking ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE in the groin.... without apology. He is our SMOD candidate come to life.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 10, 2016 05:50 PM (zv81W)

329 Damn fine post Ace. I too was Trump curious and still maintain he's probably my second choice but it is a huge step down from Cruz. On the first time Trump's resolve was tested (about a week before the Iowa caucuses) he pandered to Terry Brainsdead and said he wanted to increase ethanol subsidies.

Cruz held his ground in a state that is intentionally subsidized to keep the USDA a huge slush fund, which both parties support.

Posted by: DanMan at March 10, 2016 05:50 PM (RusNE)

330 Funny how Ace becomes so vigorously Anti-Trump at the exact time that Cruz's Bush ties get stronger.

The check cleared, obviously. And welcome, newcomer.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:50 PM (evdj2)

331 Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai

You don't have a clue who I am. I post once every 3 months, if that. Mostly because the commenters are so afraid of anyone that disagrees with them on even 10% of things and they get all uppity.

Posted by: Tommy V at March 10, 2016 05:51 PM (SRQwr)

332 I hope our new trolls are getting $15/hr.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 10, 2016 05:51 PM (yn6XZ)

333
Really, it seemed as if Clinton and Sanders were both very close to promising to ending slavery in the USA if they were elected.

Things were that absurd at the last debate.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:51 PM (9yW+Y)

334 I believe that the messiah-seekers will be found next to the Constitutional-law-god-who-walks-among-us faction of our little conclave.
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Snarky but true. A lot of quotes from evangelicals that believe Cruz will be the representative for Jesus Christ in the presidency, including the poor Idaho pastor who got shot.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:51 PM (qHgBB)

335 Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (qHgBB)

How did you get that out of that statement? He said Trump voters don't have all the information but when they do they make a choice for him. That's just the opposite of your interpretation. You're mad because you do have all the information and still choose Trump. Cruz didn't say that . If he did then he would be calling you dumb.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 10, 2016 05:51 PM (xzZPy)

336 "Because at least one of the two Major Political Parties is going to be made to realize that all this shit has to stop. Period. Whatever the cost. "

^^^^^^^THIS

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What then?

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:51 PM (gmeXX)

337 His father's estate was worth $400 million according to reports I've read.


yeah no, closer to 250 million. And after taxes and distribution, it's hard to say what Trump actually got. A hell of a lot more than I did that is for sure but not hundreds of millions. 20-40 maybe and that counts the equity in the company that was not liquid. I am not saying it was nothing and that he was not setup pretty good, but he grew the company pretty imnpressively.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 10, 2016 05:52 PM (DUoqb)

338 Mostly because the commenters are so afraid of anyone that disagrees with them

*snort*

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:52 PM (evdj2)

339 Yes. You got eyewitness accounts, then audio evidence. You're just going to be embarrassed when the video does come out.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:45 PM (evdj2)

Is the actual audio available somewhere? The Nolte piece links to a Politico transcript.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at March 10, 2016 05:52 PM (nFdGS)

340 I hope our new trolls are getting $15/hr.
Posted by: Beefy Meatball

Unpaid interns.

Posted by: George Soros at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (d9C8q)

341 "Because at least one of the two Major Political Parties is going to be made to realize that all this shit has to stop. Period. Whatever the cost. "

^^^^^^^THIS

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The Whig party died not because people wanted to kill of the party, but because people wanted to get rid of slavery. What is the goal here?

What is the purpose if the GOP

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (gmeXX)

342 I think Willow was brilliant for throwing in the towel on this shit.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (iQIUe)

343 I hope our new trolls are getting $15/hr.
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 10, 2016 05:51 PM (yn6XZ)
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Holy shite. So would I. I'd be on-board with that!

Posted by: RioBravo at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (NUqwG)

344 Here's the truth:

If Cruz is the nominee, Hillary will own the spotlight

If Trump is the nominee, Trump will own the spotlight

Both of these truths have problems.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (cR/4a)

345 I post once every 3 months, if that. Posted by: Tommy V Three MONTHS. Dude that's like ancient history.

Posted by: Tommy Vietor at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (JTwsP)

346 yeah no, closer to 250 million


Peasant

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (yn6XZ)

347 Trump is indeed embarrassing. He is a slippery character, a blowhard, and doesn't know his own yuge and luxurious published platform.

I will vote for Cruz in the CA primary. I recently registered Republican specifially to do that.

But if Trump gets the nomination, he has my vote. Because (1) the alternative, a vicious hag who will be personally getting even with all of us if she gets into the White House, (2) the rogue's gallery of RINOs, billionaires and Silicon Valley shitheads who are can't countenance the slightest possibility of Trump; if he's such a schmuck, why can'tthey just chill and buy him out?

I did not create the Trump phenomenon. None of us did. The GOPe did it.

The world as we have known it is dying rapidly. The people who arranged this are so set against Trump that they say they'll vote for The Hag instead. It's not so much about getting what I want -- there really is no prospect of that, at this point. It's about making sure that they don't get what they want.

From hell's heart I strike at thee.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (/f6Nd)

348 rationalize all you want and need to but a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for hillary.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)

and a vote for Trump is vote for Hillary, end result is the same.

Posted by: spypeach at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (nyYhO)

349

As of 1 hour ago, MSNBC was running a continuous screed and video about how some old guy at a Trump event punched a young black man, and then a few seconds later, law enforcement was wrestling the black guy to the ground.

The video was taken by someone in the crowd, very nearby ... I smell something ...

MSNBC ran a couple of quoted from the old guy; he said the black guy could be ISIS, we didn't know ... the old guy sounds like a plant.

There seems to be a lot of MSNBC outrage about the LEOs wrestling the black guy down ... the video is taken from a location where the events are obstructed. I have this suspicion that the black guy started to go ballistic and the LEOs reacted only to that ... and that the entire event is manufactured.

Is there any chance that Fields, whom I've never heard of, was in a situation where a Trump operative, who also might not have ever heard of her, reacted to her as though she was an agitator, trying to manufacture a problem? The picture of Fields' bruises look like she had a rough Pilates session, not like someone used a bat on her.

Trump seems to be on the receiving end of such actions. Maybe the campaign is reacting a bit too quick/hard.

Disclosure: I support Trump, have since last year, and have put money on him ... although I've been developing doubts over the past 4 months ... and view Cruz as an Extremely Close Second Choice.

Posted by: Arbalest at March 10, 2016 05:54 PM (FlRtG)

350 Trump's first prerogative is to win. Like it or not, the JEF has shown that it's effective to never admit to wrong doing, no matter how blatant. Trump's just mimicking that successful example.

Posted by: Grimaldi at March 10, 2016 05:54 PM (ZpiCK)

351 If you're truly a billionaire, you don't hock shit like Trump University that teaches people how to flip properties.

I didn't hear a proper sniff and blue blood accent when you said that. Try again

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 05:54 PM (39g3+)

352 I want to be paid by the word.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 05:54 PM (evdj2)

353
Both Sanders and Clinton were very upfront about how they were "going to go after" this one and "go after" that one.

That's the language they were using. "Go after" certain people and certain groups when they were president. Fucking scary shit.

So excuse me if I don't give a rat's ass about Kim Fields getting little bruises when she tries to bumrush Donald Trump. I do not care.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:54 PM (9yW+Y)

354 A hell of a lot more than I did that is for sure but not hundreds of millions. 20-40 maybe and that counts the equity in the company that was not liquid. I am not saying it was nothing and that he was not setup pretty good, but he grew the company pretty imnpressively.

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Again, how do you know that? What is it worth now?

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:54 PM (gmeXX)

355 BEHOLD THE POWER OF THIS FULLY FUNCTIONAL AD HOMINEM!

Posted by: Grand Moff Tarkin, AoSHQ Commenter at March 10, 2016 05:55 PM (oVJmc)

356 If you're truly a billionaire, you don't hock shit like Trump University that teaches people how to flip properties

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Seriously? The one thing I've learned about the super rich is that there's never enough. Martha Stewart went to prison over a stock trade worth a couple hundred K. Leona Helmsley went for tax evasion. They always want more.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 10, 2016 05:55 PM (kTF2Z)

357 "Donald does well with voters who have relatively low information, who are not that engaged and who are angry and they see him as an angry voice. Where we are beating him is when voters' get more engaged and they get more informed."

Run on over to the CTH if you need confirmation of this quote. Be aware sundance is banning anyone not fully Trump but read the quotes. They are worse than Kos Kids with the crap they make up. The over use of exclamation points is kind of cute.

Posted by: DanMan at March 10, 2016 05:55 PM (RusNE)

358 I am really trying to be succinct and not rant and i think i have it now. one sentence:

" the current corrupted bloated and useless political, media, and consultant class desperately needs thorough and severe blunt force trauma applied in the worst possible way, and Trump is the hammer at hand "

Hows that ?

Posted by: johnny at March 10, 2016 05:55 PM (oMdtQ)

359 If you're truly a billionaire, you don't hock shit like Trump University that teaches people how to flip properties.

Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (R6NO9)

-IF- you're truly a billionaire? What are you, a Rockefeller heir? A Bush donor saying that new money always cries? I try not to get personal about it, but Trump made $9.5 million from licensing his name alone. How much did you make? The notion that Trump doesn't make his money in the approved way, doesn't get his votes in the approved way, is exactly what is driving his popularity among many Americans.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (MEHba)

360 When you started steering towards Trump, I had a lot of, well, issues with it. I felt like you were doing something so dumb, but at least you posited reasonable arguments for doing so. I may not have agreed with them, but they made some sort of logical sense.

I've found more and more that there are people who I respected that follow their chosen politician like they are religious leaders and had to stop listening to them because they are so damn depressing to watch. Even before you Turned Away From Trump, I was okay with sticking with you because you were aware of the pros and the cons. While there are probably people that think of you as a heretic for doing so, it says a lot of good things about you.

I say this mainly because I know how depressing reading the comments have to be for you. Watching your own people - on the basis that commenters are your people - say incredibly stupid and appalling shit has to be gut wrenching. Upshot is, at the end of the day, other people suck, but you don't.

Posted by: Marilyn at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (xYqEK)

361 I used to be ace curious...

Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (OvUux)

362 None of this shit matters. Trump has a cult of personality and 30-40% of the party has bought into it. It's a cult of personality, so there's no severing that attachment. I have yet to hear a Trump supporter in the comments list a single fucking thing the guy could do to lose or make them regret their primary vote.

Ted is basically our last Hail Mary for the general election at this point, since anyone with a single neuron in their skull can tell that somebody who is trailing America's #1 example of A Bitch in our hyper-partisan political atmosphere by EIGHTEEN FUCKING POINTS is going to win.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (sQQU0)

363 Seriously?

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Please give me a list of all the other billionaire pitchmen.

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (gmeXX)

364 Trump supporters are emotional. They're angry and excited about Trump because he fights back and he's going to stick it to people. Hooray!

He will be even worse than Obama when it comes to abuse of executive power but they think that's fine because he will doing what they want. He'll be a tyrant but he'll be their tyrant!

What they don't get yet is that he will stick it to them, too. Anyone with open eyes can see it coming.

Posted by: Tommy V at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (SRQwr)

365 The surprising thing to me about this post is that it is taking trump seriously.

I would vote for him, but i would never take him seriously.
Not just this post, but the whole country seems to be taking him seriously. His "signature issue"? his signature issue is Trump! that is all it ever has been.

A vote for trump is vote for: fuck DC, fuck the people that think they can shove their open borders down our throat, fuck the gop, fuck china, and fuck you. Trump!

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (LWu6U)

366 Paul Ryan objecting to Draft Paul Ryan movement. I must say that is one thing I wholeheartedly agree with him on that.

I hope it's not like the final scene in Scary Movie where the idiot police officer pretended to reject the vacuum cleaner's advances, while being responsible for the vacuum clearner's advances.

Posted by: 4loko Ono at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (3EerS)

367
If you're truly a billionaire, you don't hock shit like Trump University that teaches people how to flip properties.
Posted by: Chain Saw at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (R6NO9)

***

He's definitely a billionaire. The property he owns adds up to over a billion, even the most virulent Trump hater concedes that.

I suspect stuff like Trump U are what happens when an entrepreneurial spirit meet boundless energy. We've all had those moments when we say "somebody should invent that."

He then actually invents that.

PS- You're gonna lose. Don't be bitter about it. You'll end up crying on election night, like Romney over ORCA.

#AlwaysTrump

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (/dGwh)

368
Sanders and Clinton have made it perfectly clear they intend to "come after" all who oppose the progressive agenda. The audience was loving it. CNN moderators didn't bat an eye. And no one is talking about it. Scary scary stuff.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:57 PM (9yW+Y)

369 not* going to win. I stand by my caps.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 10, 2016 05:57 PM (sQQU0)

370 Posted by: JackStraw at March 10, 2016 05:49 PM (/tuJf)

I.think this perfectly describes what happened.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 05:57 PM (Lk67m)

371 He said Trump voters don't have all the information but when they do they make a choice for him. *********************

Which is exactly the sort of thing Obama says.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:57 PM (qHgBB)

372 I believe that the messiah-seekers will be found next to the Constitutional-law-god-who-walks-among-us faction of our little conclave.
**********************

I have a Messiah; He's not running for President.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 05:58 PM (w4NZ8)

373 Paul Ryan objecting to Draft Paul Ryan movement

Yeah he object to the draft movement to get him the Speaker's job also? How'd that work out?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 10, 2016 05:58 PM (DUoqb)

374 Honest to Christ, listening to Sanders and Clinton battle each other
for the Left's coronation and pander to the sickening appalling idiots
in the audience, you'd think obama was a centrist compared to them.

--

It's as frightening as it is appalling. One can only imagine where the Dem party will be in the next 5-10 years. It's darned near full-blown communism now. And the audience dummies cheer, scream and clap. Unbelievable.
Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (QV5OZ)


This is why I have no embarrassment threshold whatsoever about Trump or anyone we run.

What embarrassment I might have for Trumps blustering and Cruz's Jesusing is overcome by rage at the Leftist assholes that want to destroy my country.

It's overshadowed by the horror of Benghazi and classified info stolen off personal servers, and my disgust at Clinton defending her rapist husband.

Trump's manager not apologizing for pushing a reporter out the way pales in comparison to Hilary defending another rapist and laughing at a 12 year old girl testifying against him.

So Trump.. yea, not my first choice, but I will vote for him without a trace of embarrassment.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 05:58 PM (CNKtx)

375 " the current corrupted bloated and useless political, media, and consultant class desperately needs thorough and severe blunt force trauma applied in the worst possible way, and Trump is the hammer at hand "

--

I like it.
Might cross stitch it onto a pillow.

Posted by: votermom at March 10, 2016 05:58 PM (cbfNE)

376 Like it or not, the JEF has shown that it's effective to never admit to wrong doing, no matter how blatant. Trump's just mimicking that successful example.

My guess is he'd have been that way anyhow. And its one of this most attractive features, after decades of Republicans caving and apologizing for everything, even when they were right (glaring at you, President Bush the younger). A bit of FYNQ is refreshing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 05:58 PM (39g3+)

377 think Willow was brilliant for throwing in the towel on this shit.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (iQIUe)

What's stopping you ?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 10, 2016 05:59 PM (xzZPy)

378 "So yeah, I get it - for a lot, politics is about making you feel better about yourself.
You can't support Trump because he makes you feel embarrassed about yourself.

I guess I used to be like that when I was young and a Dem.

But now that I'm older, politics for me is strictly strategic and tactical.
The current order is killing our country.
Trump scares the powers that be that enforce the current order.
There is a greater than zero chance that Trump will break the current order.
Outcome desirable.

Trump' s antics do not reflect on me personally. If he can accomplish his goal my interests will be forwarded.

Posted by: votermom at March 10, 2016 05:11 PM (cbfNE) "

You're assuming that breaking the current order will lead to a better one. It can absolutely get worse. You think we've reached the nadir? We're not even close.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 05:59 PM (4/i9Y)

379 He's definitely a billionaire. The property he owns adds up to over a billion, even the most virulent Trump hater concedes that.

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You have no way of knowing that. What properties does he own? What are the loans on them? Who are the other partners that own the property?

I don't care that Trump is able to license his name, nor that he made money through the Apprentice. That's great. Go get it. But that does not translate to him running a great business with great managers. It means he is great at selling himself. Nothing wrong with it, but they are two different skill sets.

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:59 PM (gmeXX)

380
I like it.
Might cross stitch it onto a pillow.



And then fill that pillow case with oranges...?

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:00 PM (9yW+Y)

381 I have yet to hear a Trump supporter in the comments list a single fucking thing the guy could do to lose or make them regret their primary vote.


Hrm, maybe if Trump's presidency results in a resurgent GOPe that embraces Leftism forever.

I'm not sure how you can get there from here though.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:00 PM (uURQL)

382 What they don't get yet is that he will stick it to them, too. Anyone with open eyes can see it coming.
****************

Listen, they're all going to stick it to us. Every one of them. So it comes down to who's most likely to win and stick it to us the least. To me that's a horse race between Cruz and Trump.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 06:00 PM (qHgBB)

383 If nominated, I will not run.

If elected, I will not serve.

Posted by: The Messiah at March 10, 2016 06:00 PM (oVJmc)

384
(Because oranges don't leave bruises.)

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:00 PM (9yW+Y)

385 "Im pulling the lever for Trump. Because Fuck YOU, thats why"

^^^^^^ my new default twitter response

Posted by: johnny at March 10, 2016 06:00 PM (oMdtQ)

386 >> So you look at which Party is the easiest to co-opt and in
>> this cycle with Hillary! having it wrapped up before the first
>> primary that was an easy call. And then you build a
>> campaign around populist messages that run down the
>> middle and poach from the edges of each Party.

This.

I've voted Republican in every partisan election since Reagan in 1980 with only one exception (I could not pull the lever for Michael Huffington over Feinstein.)

Yet I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see the TBTF banks chopped up. I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see Apple, Google, and the like dug out from behind their tax-haven brass wallplates. The latter should be accompanied by a sane corporate tax rate.

There is a populist-conservative platform to be made out there, one that shuts down Federal bureaucracy at the same rate it pisses on lobbyists' shoes.

Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 06:00 PM (o+SC1)

387 And then fill that pillow case with oranges...?

Door knobs.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (evdj2)

388 So if the Gopes go all Rule 40 at the convention and trot out Newt?

I could be convinced.

Posted by: Old Glazier at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (YvMb4)

389 Question : Why can't the Canadian-Con-Law-god-who-walks a)make a decent conservative case or b) beat Trump?

Answer: LEAVE TEDDY ALONE *sniff*


But Trump supporters are "emotional".


Heh.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (maoCu)

390 And then fill that pillow case with oranges...?
Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai

Let's the kids know who's in charge without leaving bruises.

Posted by: Zombie Bing Crosby at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (d9C8q)

391 looking closely @318 said, "But I think Cruz would fight too."

Agreed. Difference is the establishment can enforce a veto on Cruz and has done so. Since I 'veto' Rubio and Kasich that leaves Trump, who for whatever reason, they apparently can't veto.

It is rock, paper, scissors

Trump beats Rubio or Kasich because... Trump is Trump? It just is. And it is beautiful. But mostly because surveys, and reports from the field confirm, more Cruz voters have Trump as their 2nd pick.

Rubio beats Cruz because that is how the conservative vs establishment fight always works out.

Cruz beats Trump in a one on one. All the math says so. But the establishment can veto allowing that fight to happen.

And the math also says that if we keep the three or four way field Trump also wins. And still the establishment refuses to accept reality. Their faction is the only one with agency at this point. Cruz dropping would only help Trump so he has no decision to make. Trump is winning so why would he change course? Only the establishment can decide if they are really #nevertrump or just against Cruz.

Posted by: John Morris at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (sCRhB)

392 I have yet to hear a Trump supporter in the comments list a single fucking thing the guy could do to lose or make them regret their primary vote.
**********************

Walking back his H1B visas stance in a blindingly stupid debate did it for me.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (qHgBB)

393 262 Anyone who says ' I will not vote for the nominee if it is (insert favored candidate)', please listen in to the next Democratic debate and see if that changes your mind. I listened in yesterday and it's going to be a while new, ugly world if Bernie or Hillary get elected.
Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 05:41 PM (a0IVu)
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THIS.
And when you throw the Hag's corruption and treasonous egomania into the mix, ....well, I will vote for whoever has the best chance of stopping her, which will be the GOP nominee.
I can do no more.

I wish I could vote FOR someone, but that's not the way it will be. I'll vote Trump, I'll vote Daffy Duck--- hell, I'll vote Jeb! if that's all I've got.
*sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (T/5A0)

394 And its one of this most attractive features, after decades of Republicans caving and apologizing for everything, even when they were right (glaring at you, President Bush the younger).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 05:58 PM (39g3+)

I don't know if Jeb Bush could ever have won, but if he stood by his father's legacy like a man maybe he could have had a shot. Just with a BUSH 2016 sign instead of the ridiculous Jeb!

Maybe not, though. Trump absolutely loves talking about trade issues, and re-litigating NAFTA could only have helped him there.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (MEHba)

395 No. One. Cares. We are going to vote for Trump. Even if he loses all "57 states," we are going to vote for Trump.

Because at least one of the two Major Political Parties is going to be made to realize that all this shit has to stop. Period. Whatever the cost.
Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (/dGwh)

As is your right.
If Trump is the nominee, we as a nation deserve every single thing we get, because either way, we lose.

Posted by: antisocialist at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (9n14Y)

396 A salesman who is just willing to say whatever he needs ... to say to [get you to] sign the dotted line -- and who will decide on a case-by-case basis whether or not to abide by those contract terms, should they become inconvenient later.


as opposed to a lawyer or a politician? I'd trust a salesman.

Posted by: x at March 10, 2016 06:02 PM (nFwvY)

397 "Please give me a list of all the other billionaire pitchmen."

Al Gore, George Soros, Tom Steyer, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, and on and on and on. Now ask what what they have in common...libs all.

Posted by: DanMan at March 10, 2016 06:02 PM (RusNE)

398 But that does not translate to him running a great business with great managers. It means he is great at selling himself. Nothing wrong with it, but they are two different skill sets.
Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 05:59 PM (gmeXX)
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At least one of which must work well within the Republican party campaign.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 10, 2016 06:02 PM (NUqwG)

399

John Valuk is dead,



he fell on his head.


Posted by: The nood Trump AoS secret password at March 10, 2016 06:02 PM (9yW+Y)

400 I'll vote Trump in the general (I voted for Ted in the primary) if he is the nominee for two reasons:

He might do something about illegal immigration; no Dem will. Both Ms. Felon and Mr. Commie have already said they are going to amnesty them.

To stick my thumb into the eyes of The Establishment, in all its varied forms.

"You called down the thunder, well now you've got it."

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 10, 2016 06:03 PM (gyKtp)

401 Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 05:57 PM (qHgBB)

But that's not what you were trying to convey. You want the quote to be interpreted as Cruz calling Trump supporters dumb. He didn't . But It's politics so I understand. Have at it.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 10, 2016 06:03 PM (xzZPy)

402
I say this mainly because I know how depressing reading the comments have to be for you. Watching your own people - on the basis that commenters are your people - say incredibly stupid and appalling shit has to be gut wrenching. Upshot is, at the end of the day, other people suck, but you don't.
Posted by: Marilyn at March 10, 2016 05:56 PM (xYqEK)

***

This kind of truly pathetic, weak shit gave birth to Trump, but will not end with Trump, regardless whether he wins or loses.

We are going to be pushing people like you back into your Safe Spaces for quite some time.

#AlwaysTrump

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 06:03 PM (/dGwh)

403 shorter Ace: I tried it. It hurt. No longer curious.

Posted by: california red at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (sBAYv)

404 (Because oranges don't leave bruises.)
Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:00 PM (9yW+Y)

--

That's what YOU think!

Posted by: Melissa Fields, center of attraction at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (cbfNE)

405 If it possible I think Trudeau looks like a bigger asshole than Fredo. Well maybe

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (DUoqb)

406 Everyone in this thread is entitled to their opinions, and so is Ace. I disagree with a lot of these opinions, and with those of Ace. But really, they are just opinions/viewpoints, and changing people's minds is damned near impossible when you yell at them.

Posted by: kraken at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (sdxPm)

407 "I have yet to hear a Trump supporter in the comments list a single fucking thing the guy could do to lose or make them regret their primary vote. "

because said thing does not exist. its not about him. he's an imperfect messenger at best. but the message still needs to be sent. every thing people fear he may do, the people running things now have already done. over and over and over again. with sneering condescension to boot. I decided to vote this way 6 years ago and have just been waiting for someone who could win.

Posted by: johnny at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (oMdtQ)

408 >> A hell of a lot more than I did that is for sure but not hundreds of
millions. 20-40 maybe and that counts the equity in the company that was
not liquid.


Not liquid because it was tied up in NY real estate just before the boom. Looking at the estate value is deceptive, because it was undervalued to avoid capital gains, and because the value went up by 10x in the 80's

Trump has done very little productive in his entire life except promote and exploit his name.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (LWu6U)

409 If it possible I think Trudeau looks like a bigger asshole than Fredo. Well maybe

He's not as bold and blatant a racist

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (39g3+)

410 Everyone in this thread is entitled to their opinions, and so is Ace. I disagree with a lot of these opinions, and with those of Ace. But really, they are just opinions/viewpoints, and changing people's minds is damned near impossible when you yell at them.

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But what fun would that be?

Posted by: SH at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (gmeXX)

411 If it possible I think Trudeau looks like a bigger asshole than Fredo. Well maybe
Posted by: Nevergiveup

It's the just exchange rate. Trudeau is actually 85% the asshole TFG is.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at March 10, 2016 06:05 PM (d9C8q)

412 17
What do you people hope to accomplish here? Do you want to defeat Trump? Or do you want to defeat the rabid Progressive movement who hates you? You can't have both.

Trump sucks and he's a piece of shit. But...


btw, Bushes sucked. Romney sucked. Dole sucked. McCain sucked. And they all turned out to be pieces of shit who hated you. But you still voted for them, sometimes more than once. Is Trump any worse? No, he's not. The only difference is Trump doesn't hide his ugly rotten side like the others did.

-------------

You just made the case against voting for Trump. "He's the same as the other losers who hate you and think poorly of you, but at least he lets you know it!" A lot of us are done (and were done prior, Ace included) in just voting for the R because it had an R in front of the name.

Now, if you don't like that, that's ok. But some of us (including Ace) have been there for quite some time. So trying to guilt us into voting for Trump just because he's the nominee really isn't gonna work.

Posted by: Rich at March 10, 2016 06:05 PM (MIdlN)

413 386: Posted by: Burn It Down

It comes down to who's most likely to win and stick it to us the least. To me that's a horse race between Cruz and Trump.

I have to think Cruz wins that by a mile. At least for me.

Posted by: Tommy V at March 10, 2016 06:05 PM (SRQwr)

414

Shorter Ace:

Glengarry Glen Trump.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 10, 2016 06:06 PM (p4UlV)

415 Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (mao

Can't come up with your own snark?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 10, 2016 06:06 PM (xzZPy)

416 "So excuse me if I don't give a rat's ass about Kim Fields getting little bruises when she tries to bumrush Donald Trump. I do not care.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 05:54 PM (9yW+Y) "

You think Trump won't break your eggs when he starts making his omelette? That's adorable.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:06 PM (4/i9Y)

417 Are people really debating how successful Trump is? If I came into every post saying "Hey, did you know Donald Trump's a billionaire" it would be insane! But then these dumbasses come in feigning ignorance, which I am happy to correct...

http://tinyurl.com/gwdqc9y

Trump owns a Gucci store worth more than everything Mitt Romney has! Is that good enough? Do I have to add the skyscraper in Midtown before you concede that yes, Donald Trump has a lot of money?

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 06:06 PM (MEHba)

418
I have a Messiah; He's not running for President.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 05:58 PM (w4NZ

yep...the people looking for a messiah in a politician are going to be disappointed.....very disappointed.

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 06:06 PM (0O7c5)

419 I was also Trump curious initially then he started walking back his tough immigration stance, while Cruz's stance got tougher. Then I began to wonder what kind of person Trump would nominate for the SCt.and I didn't like the fact he seemed to have no core conservative principles and bragged about making deals. His health care plan seems to not be written in stone and his tough talk on imports and tariffs, while welcome, won't come to much if anything.

While I support Cruz, I'd still vote for trump over Hillary all day long.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 10, 2016 06:07 PM (X3fgA)

420 Did Ace take up cycling?

Posted by: nip at March 10, 2016 06:07 PM (r73Jl)

421 >> I have yet to hear a Trump supporter in the comments list
>> a single fucking thing the guy could do to lose or make
>> them regret their primary vote.

I am not a Trump supporter though I'd vote for him in the general.

As someone who as President would quadruple the Border Patrol and veto everything from Congress until they bring me a bill making illegally reentering the US after deportation a felony with a 10-year jail term, who'd blockade and sanction Iran and possibly strike their infrastructure until they're eating each other, who'd cut our UN funding by 50% on my first day in office and back Brexit and anything else short of drone strikes on Brussels to knock the EU apart...my only complaint about Trump is that he might not do what he says he'd do.

Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 06:07 PM (o+SC1)

422 Trump has done very little productive in his entire life except promote and exploit his name.
====
HUH?

Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 10, 2016 06:07 PM (OvUux)

423 I give you another reason to be embarrassed about
supporting Trump:

He is an out and out Crook.

It not just the Trump University con which hurt thousands: it is about almost every deal in which he has done, he has lied and swindled. In the Trump Network- a home shopping thing - he wildly misrepresented the products and it went down. Trump Casinos cost his investors 89% of their money- a cool $100 million bucks, all the while he was able to pocket $16 million and btw every other major casino operation made money during the same period. In nearly everything he touches he has to lie, cheat, bully, harass , threaten, intimidate and eventually sue.

Is that really who you want to be your President?

Posted by: Unsk at March 10, 2016 06:07 PM (yRT1Z)

424 While I support Cruz, I'd still vote for trump over Hillary all day long.


Posted by: Dr Spank at March 10, 2016 06:07 PM (X3fgA)

same.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 06:07 PM (0O7c5)

425 424 Did Ace take up cycling?
Posted by: nip at March 10, 2016 06:07 PM (r73Jl)
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tricyclics maybe.

Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (OvUux)

426 I'm going to flowchart these same tired arguments, print them up, and pass them out at the weekly 9:00 AM meeting. Then you can all return to your cubicles and argue in circles with yourselves.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (oVJmc)

427 But that's not what you were trying to convey. You want the quote to be interpreted as Cruz calling Trump supporters dumb. He didn't . But It's politics so I understand. Have at it.
**************

Are you purposely being obtuse? That's exactly what he's calling Trump supporters. Dumb because they don't have all the facts, or dumb because they do have all the facts and still won't pull the lever for the Cuban Messiah. Either way it was derogatory and exhibited the same kind of disdain for the "poorly educated" that the rest of GOP-E has.

You may not like what his innuendo clearly implied, too fucking bad.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (qHgBB)

428 " the current corrupted bloated and useless political, media, and
consultant class desperately needs thorough and severe blunt force
trauma applied in the worst possible way, and Trump is the hammer at
hand"


When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (ml1PM)

429 In regards to the general (spare me the polls), the facts seems to be that the Hillary campaign fears Trump the most. It has been said repeatedly during the election coverage and I now see paid ads for "Stop Trump. Join Hillary Now." This just reinforces the opinion he is who they have the most concern running against.

I have yet to see any paid ads against Cruz from the Hillary campaign. I think this says something. Then again, maybe I just have not seen them. Anyone?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (WnCSK)

430
I'm not trying to guilt anyone into doing anything. You missed my point which was if your reason for hating Trump is he's not a real conservative or he's untrustworthy, you're a hypocrite and a fool.

My subsequent comments in this thread further detail my point.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (9yW+Y)

431 413
If it possible I think Trudeau looks like a bigger asshole than Fredo. Well maybe



He's not as bold and blatant a racist

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:04 PM (39g3+)
But he is oh so dreamy...if you like the metrosexual type.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (a0IVu)

432 When faced with these difficult questions, I like to stop and ask myself what would the son of a mailman do?

Posted by: Weasel at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (e3bId)

433 The Trump supporters who like him because he's a "destroyer" strike me as being like stock movie villains who are trying to summon a demon or an elder evil or some other all-consuming force of darkness. They think it'll destroy everything, but for some reason it will spare those who called upon it. You know what always happens to those people? They're the first fucking people to get killed by the beast they conjured. Because that's what destructive forces do - they destroy. They do not differentiate between ally and enemy. Everything and everybody is just an obstacle.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:09 PM (4/i9Y)

434 I always find it super persuasive when people talk about "pushing me into my safe space" and joking about the holocaust

Well. Persuasive and not at all off putting

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 06:09 PM (zOTsN)

435 "None of this shit matters. Trump has a cult of personality and 30-40% of the party has bought into it. It's a cult of personality, so there's no severing that attachment. "

You want it to be a cult of personality, i get that. but you couldnt be more wrong. Trump supporters to the contrary understand that every single one of the political class is a piece of shit. and that Paul Ryan holds me in just as much contempt as Pelossi or Reid or the SCOAMF does. Trumps appeal is not, and never will be about him, except in the sense that he seems to be a reasonably competent executive with a history of getting large scale things accomplished. the thing i do like about Trump is that he very clearly hates these assholes as much as i do, and literally can not hide it. He is not pretending to hate them, he actually does. thats powerful stuff. I really want to see what eh dos to them once he gets a chance. if hes an utter and complete failure, then I'm right back where I am now. You can bash trump, i get that. what you cant do, and let's face it, never even try anymore, is make the case for the rest of them.

Posted by: johnny at March 10, 2016 06:09 PM (oMdtQ)

436 Trumps a retard. I can tell.

Posted by: Forrest Gump at March 10, 2016 06:09 PM (aRUb8)

437 Trump is an east coast liberal bully.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 10, 2016 06:09 PM (sqs5K)

438 I say. I am quite enamored of terapi.

Posted by: Sir Joseph 'Two-Monocles' Biden XIV at March 10, 2016 06:10 PM (XVjZ8)

439 But he is oh so dreamy...if you like the metrosexual type.

He's that creepy guy that hangs out with high school girls at age 40 and skateboards to show he's cool.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:10 PM (39g3+)

440
Is that really who you want to be your President?

If Trump is just half the dirty rotten scoundrel as you suggest, then yes.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:10 PM (9yW+Y)

441 Then you can all return to your cubicles and argue in circles with yourselves.

Aren't firing squads and, um, some other activity traditionally the ones performed in circles?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 10, 2016 06:10 PM (ml1PM)

442 I want Cruz to be nominated. If it's Trump, I see it this way --

Do you want Trump feeding his ego, or The Hag feeding on you?

Do you want Trump ignoring you, or The Hag hunting you down?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 10, 2016 06:10 PM (/f6Nd)

443 440 Trumps a retard. I can tell.

Posted by: Forrest Gump at March 10, 2016 06:09 PM (aRUb

441 Trump is an east coast liberal bully.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 10, 2016 06:09 PM (sqs5K)



He's a floor wax.

No, he's a dessert topping!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 06:11 PM (oVJmc)

444 443, Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:10 PM (39g3+)

LOL. I don't know about that but all my 40 something year old girlfriends think he is just divine. It might be a mid-life crisis thing.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 06:11 PM (a0IVu)

445 You said: "And I sense (Trump) craves popularity, so I sense he'll do the things that increase his popularity."

This is my biggest fear with Trump. Lets assume he gets elected. Right now, he judges himself by his head-to-head poll numbers. He has 40 percent, Cruz has 25, that kind of thing.

But if he is elected president, he is not going to be getting head-to-head polling numbers on a weekly basis. Instead it will be his approval rating. And he is not going to allow himself to be at a 38 percent approval rating. He will demand that his staff bring him ideas to get that number above 50 percent. President Trump would personally meet illegal immigrants at the Rio Grande and hand them citizenship papers if it meant a 10-point bump in his approval rating.

Every president since JFK has seen a sub-40% approval rating at least once during his presidency. And they were willing to endure it for policies they believed in. Obama didn't junk the ACA because his ratings went down, Bush didn't cut and run from Iraq because his went down either. Trump has no such principles or backbone.

Posted by: Smitty at March 10, 2016 06:11 PM (Ax7gR)

446 What embarrassment I might have for Trumps blustering and Cruz's Jesusing is overcome by rage at the Leftist assholes that want to destroy my country.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 05:58 PM (CNKtx)


That's the spirit!

Posted by: cool breeze at March 10, 2016 06:11 PM (ckvus)

447 Note: In a number of countries, breaking the current order (as opposed to restoring order) has led to something much worse than the current order. See Cuba, Russia, Liberia, Democratic Republic of Congo.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:11 PM (iLoHX)

448 He's that creepy guy that hangs out with high school girls at age 40 and skateboards to show he's cool.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Kinda like this guy:
https://youtu.be/KF2X1o0FGA0

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at March 10, 2016 06:12 PM (d9C8q)

449 "I have yet to see any paid ads against Cruz from the Hillary campaign. I think this says something. Then again, maybe I just have not seen them. Anyone?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (WnCSK) "

Just playing the odds. Cruz still has an outside shot, but Trump is the presumptive nominee, so it makes more sense to start the general election campaign a few months early, especially since with super delegates Hillary has basically clinched the nomination.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:12 PM (4/i9Y)

450 I'm not convinced.

Posted by: Soona at March 10, 2016 06:12 PM (314H9)

451 352----and a vote for Trump is vote for Hillary, end result is the same.
Posted by: spypeach at March 10, 2016 05:53 PM (nyYhO)
------------------
No, I don't agree.
With Trump there is a chance we'll get a good or mediocre SCOTUS pick. (He doesn't care about Constitutional issues and will probably throw us bone with that.) With Hillary, we are CERTAIN to get a leftist.

Also, the media will continue to cover her butt, the way they always have. She can do ANYTHING and get away with it.
But they will be on Trump like a hawk, itching for scandals to take him down.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 10, 2016 06:12 PM (T/5A0)

452 Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 06:06 PM (0O7c5)

Because it really would be a step down going from Lord Of The Universe to President of the U.S. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 06:12 PM (w4NZ8)

453 I have to think Cruz wins that by a mile. At least for me.
**************************

I think he's the same on H1B visas so he's as bad as Trump there, and I don't take him seriously that he'll establish better border security. His electability is also just as questionable as Trump's. They each have their positives and negatives, which things would be better if this became a two man race, then see who can prevail from there.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 10, 2016 06:12 PM (qHgBB)

454 Seriously? The one thing I've learned about the super rich is that there's never enough. Martha Stewart went to prison over a stock trade worth a couple hundred K. Leona Helmsley went for tax evasion. They always want more.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 10, 2016 05:55 PM (kTF2Z)

Martha Stewart, who was worth at one time a billion herself, had no qualms about pasting her name on sheets and towels sold at Macy's and at Target. She sells craft making doodads at Michaels and at other hobby stores. She just opened a coffee shop in NYC. These people are driven to open new businesses, new lines, etc. Some of them don't work out, and either go belly up or are removed and replaced.

Marcus Lemonis, of Camping World and The Profit fame, spent $40M on different struggling businesses that he is trying to save. Nearly of dozen of them have gone bust anyway or he has dissolved his partnership. He has lost a portion of the money he invested.
Are we to assume that Lemonis is just a failure and a terrible businessman because of these failures?

I have no idea why Trump's ventures that didn't work out as planned are now supposed to be YUUHGGE examples of what a personal failure he is.

Upthread, someone posted about how Trump is an executive who listens and who hires people to work out the details of plans. This is absolutely correct. And either the voter wants someone who works this way, or they want a policy wonk who is immersed in details and wants everything done they way they want those details worked, even if it means NOTHING get's done. Someone whose ideas are so deep in detail that they cannot let go of , even if doing so meant 80% of what they wanted to happen will happen.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 10, 2016 06:13 PM (dErES)

455 You know what always happens to those people? They're the first fucking people to get killed by the beast they conjured.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:09 PM (4/i9Y)

... you're joking, right? Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio have their political careers in ruins. William Kristol and Karl Rove are laughingstocks, only more so than normal. Erick Erickson not only had to abandon his website, he won't dare turn comments on at his new one just to shut out the voices laughing at him all day long. This isn't an apocalypse movie, at least not from our perspective. Our enemies have started to suffer, with little damage to us, and now we just want to see who else is getting burned.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 06:13 PM (MEHba)

456 "Note: In a number of countries, breaking the current order (as opposed to restoring order) has led to something much worse than the current order. See Cuba, Russia, Liberia, Democratic Republic of Congo."

See also The American Revolution

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:13 PM (WnCSK)

457 sarta de MIERDAS.

Posted by: .......... at March 10, 2016 06:13 PM (igPiG)

458 Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 10, 2016 06:14 PM (/f6Nd)

459 When Trudeau won, I lost a lot of my affection and esteem of Canada, particularly after Harper's run in office.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:14 PM (39g3+)

460 The fucker will get beaten in a landslide by The Haggard Queen. And he'll never know what hit him.

How will that make him feel for the rest of his life?

He's just an asshole from Long Island.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 10, 2016 06:14 PM (U6f54)

461
like I said, Dick Morris just said the other day that Trump and Clinton are not shoe-ins.

You all know what that means.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM (9yW+Y)

462 I am travelling the same road, Ace. It's getting too hard to defend all the different things he's said, as meanwhile he seems to be undermining the one thing that got me excited about him. Oh well, back to Cruz, and say goodbye to our one illegal immigration control hope.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM (QJBko)

463 You want Jesus Christ.
You'll vote Donald Trump.
You'll get Charlie Crist.

Posted by: orange ya glad? at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM (H9MG5)

464 "When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. "

meh. We've tried every other tool dude, for 20 plus years now. left handed or right. didnt matter. Time to give it a good solid wack and see if that works.

Posted by: johnny at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM (oMdtQ)

465
I have no idea what this is supposed to convey.


I'm saying he's been semi-immune to the press as a career. He just keeps calling them names and going.

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM (DL2i+)

466 Trump curious? Like legal insurrection claimed/pretended?

I'm not sure I wasn't always being strung along. No worries ... I'm just looking to broaden the R coalition ... if people want to cling to the Bush agenda, that's their thing.

But for those that want real change, I think Gingrich said something real.

"Gingrich on the establishment attacking Trump:

"There are two things going on here that are historic and that are very very powerful. One is about raw power. The old establishment, personified by Romney yesterday, is appalled that Trump is an outsider that is putting together a new majority and doing it, really outside their world and he is a direct threat to a power structure that has dominated the REpublican party for most of the last fifty years.

So that's about power. There's a second thing going on though.

Trump represents a very real change. He is the most anti-left candidate in modern times. He is the most anti political correct candidate in modern times. He is very ruthless about stupidity in operational terms. And he is an American nationalist. Well if you're part of the old order part of the people who since World War 2 have built this worldwide finaqncial system etcetera, Trump is a genuine serious policy threat to the world you live in, and that's an authentic real reaction to the rise of Donald Trump."

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM (eUbDe)

467 "464 The fucker will get beaten in a landslide by The Haggard Queen. And he'll never know what hit him. "

You mean Cruz?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM (WnCSK)

468
He's a floor wax.



No, he's a dessert topping!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 06:11 PM (oVJmc)

He's a foot long and a bag of nuts!

Posted by: Carnival Barker at March 10, 2016 06:16 PM (aRUb8)

469 Just taking off a bruised sock

Posted by: @votermom at March 10, 2016 06:16 PM (cbfNE)

470 They're the first fucking people to get killed by the beast they conjured. Because that's what destructive forces do - they destroy. They do not differentiate between ally and enemy. Everything and everybody is just an obstacle.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean


We're already being killed by a beast. Maybe if we summon this one, it'll destroy or damage the first one.

Posted by: 4loko Ono at March 10, 2016 06:16 PM (3EerS)

471 I'm voting for the nominee.

because Hitlery will appoint a justice that thinks the 2nd is a dead letter. and that will mea

Posted by: x at March 10, 2016 06:16 PM (nFwvY)

472 I'd prefer Cruz but I'll settle for Trump. And I don't care if he fixes a fucking thing. I'm counting on him to start breaking shit.

Posted by: Weasel at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (e3bId)

473 Amazing how people fall for an obvious setup just because it reinforces their beliefs...

gotnews.com/calling-bullshit-michelle-fields/

Posted by: bob at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (fDhyp)

474 463 When Trudeau won, I lost a lot of my affection and esteem of Canada, particularly after Harper's run in office.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:14 PM (39g3+)

That's not entirely fair. The media was hyped against Harper to the point of insanity, and the establishment was all in on the Liberals. You can enjoy needling Canadians about switching their votes from the NDP after the niqab scandal, if that's how you get your jollies, but eh. You can't demand that Canadians be sharp-eyed conservatives when every media outlet and most of the establishment is liberal at best.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (MEHba)

475 "Question : Why can't the Canadian-Con-Law-god-who-walks a)make a decent conservative case or b) beat Trump?

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 06:01 PM (maoCu) "

Again, where does any of this shit come from? Show me a single AoS poster saying messianic things about Cruz. It's people like GoK saying that Trump is a 'once in a generation candidate.' I don't have any illusions about Cruz - he's simply the best choice left.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (4/i9Y)

476 Probably OT for this thread, but check out the article linked in Drudge's headline. It's about Cruz's ties to the Bush family.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (sdi6R)

477 Like I said, Dick Morris just said the other day that Trump and Clinton are not shoe-ins.

You all know what that means.
Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM


Another co-Presidency?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (ml1PM)

478 Because at least one of the two Major Political Parties is going to be made to realize that all this shit has to stop. Period. Whatever the cost.
Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 05:46 PM (/dGwh)

The problem is that in the meantime the President who belongs to the other Political Party is going to be appointing SC justices who will turn the Court left for another 25 years. Not to mention what Cankles will be like once she's sitting in the Oval Office.

Not that Trump's picks would necessarily be any better.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 10, 2016 06:18 PM (P8951)

479 Trump 2016!

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 10, 2016 06:18 PM (QdAXQ)

480 If embarrassment and concerns over etiquette are a major factor in your rejection of a candidate.

Your rejection might be somewhat aesthetic.

Food for thought.

Posted by: Phone of kari at March 10, 2016 06:19 PM (nkxxS)

481 "We're already being killed by a beast. Maybe if we summon this one, it'll destroy or damage the first one.

Posted by: 4loko Ono at March 10, 2016 06:16 PM (3EerS) "

They try that in the movies too. It never quite works out. Godzilla might be on our side when he's stomping on King Ghidorah - after that, it's right back to flattening the city.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:19 PM (4/i9Y)

482 I also support Cruz because I think he'd assault fewer women than Trump.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 10, 2016 06:19 PM (X3fgA)

483 Trump represents a very real change. He is the most
anti-left candidate in modern times...



Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 06:15 PM

~~~~~

If that is so, why won't he release the transcript from the NY Times--the one that was "off the record" where he met with a bunch of leftists (including the ACLU.)

I'd wager he won't release them for the same reason Hillary won't release the transcripts of her speeches.


Posted by: Donald Trump's Hair at March 10, 2016 06:19 PM (E6RIJ)

484 Sometimes I'm embarrassed to admit I'm a Cruz supporter, because many of my family and acquaintances are country club Repubs who buy into the MSM crap about him being icky and extreme.

But that doesn't stop me from supporting him, because I think he's the best to have run for president in many years.

I've disliked Trump for decades. Can't even stand to look at him and could never understand how anyone could take him seriously, though I like a couple of things he's done in this campaign. He's a more accomplished Jesse Ventura.

Posted by: stace at March 10, 2016 06:19 PM (ozZau)

485 Show me a single AoS poster saying messianic things about Cruz. It's people like GoK saying that Trump is a 'once in a generation candidate.' I don't have any illusions about Cruz - he's simply the best choice left.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (4/i9Y)

This is what I'm wondering. Maybe I'm biased but I haven't seen many posts about how perfectly awesome Cruz is. A lot of people that support him question some of his votes, his demeanor, his perceived pandering to Christians, etc.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:20 PM (iLoHX)

486 >>>With Trump there is a chance we'll get a good or mediocre SCOTUS pick. (He doesn't care about Constitutional issues and will probably throw us bone with that.) With Hillary, we are CERTAIN to get a leftist.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 10, 2016 06:12 PM (T/5A0)>>>

I've generally agreed with and advocated this sentiment, but after seeing how many Trump supporters think that it's okay to hit a girl as long as she's not hurt too bad, I'm starting to lean toward just staying home in a Trump v. Clinton match up. Not the kind of people I'm interested in being in a fox hole with.

Posted by: gm at March 10, 2016 06:20 PM (4ueYo)

487 Trump is like a popular rock star....really gets 'em pumpin' their fists in the air and filling stadiums......and then he sits down for a "serious" interview, and starts talking about politics or current events, and shows himself to be a complete idiot....wince and cringe inducing idiot.

That will be Trump in a debate on issues.

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:20 PM (aRUb8)

488 good lord i can't believe this has devolved to the Trump folks linking Chuck Johnson

come quickly, SMOD

Posted by: T at March 10, 2016 06:20 PM (1Dc9T)

489 To answer the final question, it's because Mtn Dew Comacho thinks "reading's fer fagz", especially when it comes to policy and political philosophy.

Posted by: A.G. at March 10, 2016 06:20 PM (VE2nl)

490 Oh, the Supreme Court selections will be very least of Hillary's evils when in office. Her winning will be taken as proof that the nation wants the hard left tilt of the last 7+ years and that Obama's second term is just a warmup. And maybe she'd be right. Either way, if you think using the IRS to lean on businesses and organizations they don't like, get ready for lawfare against speech the left doesn't care for. Get ready for actual confiscations of weapons.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:21 PM (39g3+)

491 Stay strong stace.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 10, 2016 06:21 PM (X3fgA)

492 482, Not that Trump's picks would necessarily be any better.



Posted by: DonnaV (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 10, 2016 06:18 PM (P8951)Trump offered up two names (after Scalia's passing) - Diane Sykes, Bill Pryor. He has done some homework.


Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 06:21 PM (a0IVu)

493 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:14 PM (39g3+)

He's a cuter version of Obama. Evidently the Canadians were not immune to voting for their version of (North) American Idol either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 06:22 PM (w4NZ8)

494 Breaking news:Trump's ties to the Clintons (whom he will be running against, FYI), Pelosi, Reid....

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:22 PM (iLoHX)

495 . He's a more accomplished Jesse Ventura.

Posted by: stace at March 10, 2016 06:19 PM (ozZau)



That^

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:22 PM (aRUb8)

496 I've had bosses like Trump. Smarmy, greasy ass conman that would blame a 6 year old kid for their own fuckups, and take credit for their accomplishments.


Now, will I vote for shillary? Hell fuck no.
Will I stay home? Hell fuck no.

Worse case scenario is the dumbass gets us into a nuclear exchange with someone. Well hell. I live out in the middle of nowhere.... so whatevs.

Besides the GOP, and DEMs will unite in the congress to make him the least ineffectual president in the history of this country.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 10, 2016 06:22 PM (sqs5K)

497 17
What do you people hope to accomplish here? Do you want to defeat Trump? Or do you want to defeat the rabid Progressive movement who hates you? You can't have both.

Trump sucks and he's a piece of shit. But...
btw, Bushes sucked. Romney sucked. Dole sucked. McCain sucked. And they all turned out to be pieces of shit who hated you. But you still voted for them, sometimes more than once. Is Trump any worse? No, he's not. The only difference is Trump doesn't hide his ugly rotten side like the others did.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 04:57 PM (9yW+Y)

This...no way Hillary.

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 10, 2016 06:22 PM (gxIP7)

498 Trump is like a popular rock star....really gets 'em pumpin' their fists
in the air and filling stadiums......and then he sits down for a
"serious" interview, and starts talking about politics or current
events, and shows himself to be a complete idiot....wince and cringe
inducing idiot.


Just a replay, then.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 10, 2016 06:23 PM (ml1PM)

499
There is more than one Charles Johnson.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:23 PM (9yW+Y)

500 >>>476 I'd prefer Cruz but I'll settle for Trump. And I don't care if he fixes a fucking thing. I'm counting on him to start breaking shit.

Posted by: Weasel at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (e3bId)>>>

Agreed. Except when that breaking gets to unapologetically breaking girls' arms. Then, I'm off the bandwagon.

Posted by: gm at March 10, 2016 06:24 PM (4ueYo)

501 Hildabeast will get you more Kagan, Trump might get you more Roberts.
The Supreme Court has given us Obama care and gay marriage among other great leftist ideas. The 2nd amendment is something leftists have had their eyes on for years, one case sent up questioning weapons rights could shut the whole thing down.

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 06:24 PM (fizMZ)

502 See also The American Revolution

The American Revolution started out an attempt to preserve the old order, not overturn it, and the goals and ideology at the beginning were not the goals and ideology at the end.

At least a few guys who fought valiantly for the Americans founds themselves pretty unhappy with the end result. The partisan leader Davies (who I am sure no one here has ever heard of) springs to mind, and I know there were others.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 10, 2016 06:24 PM (bZ7mE)

503 433 In regards to the general (spare me the polls), the facts seems to be that the Hillary campaign fears Trump the most. It has been said repeatedly during the election coverage and I now see paid ads for "Stop Trump. Join Hillary Now." This just reinforces the opinion he is who they have the most concern running against.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:08 PM (WnCSK)
----------------
They do not fear him the most.
They desperately want him to be their opponent.

The biggest problem Hillary has is the lack of enthusiasm for her. They are (already) using Trump-fear to gin up emotions.
They need more than the usual GOPe bad guy this time.
They need a monster and Trump can fill the role well because he's flamboyant, exciting, dramatic.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 10, 2016 06:24 PM (T/5A0)

504 494 HA! I'd almost welcome a move by the left to confiscate weapons.

Posted by: Weasel at March 10, 2016 06:24 PM (e3bId)

505 Trump offered up two names (after Scalia's passing) - Diane Sykes, Bill Pryor. He has done some homework.





Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 06:21 PM (a0IVu)


....orrr, someone fed him those names like someone fed him "2 Corinthians"...

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:25 PM (aRUb8)

506 My big problem with Cruz is that he's a lawyer without any real executive experience. Is he able to do the job? Maybe. But I think we've had well more than enough lawyers in power. And I think the Ivy League has demonstrated it is unworthy of power but presumes upon it.

Still, he's the least bad of the choices out there, and he seems to genuinely understand and appreciate the constitution.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:25 PM (39g3+)

507 "... you're joking, right? Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio have their political careers in ruins. William Kristol and Karl Rove are laughingstocks, only more so than normal. Erick Erickson not only had to abandon his website, he won't dare turn comments on at his new one just to shut out the voices laughing at him all day long. This isn't an apocalypse movie, at least not from our perspective. Our enemies have started to suffer, with little damage to us, and now we just want to see who else is getting burned.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 06:13 PM (MEHba) "

You see incredibly tiny victories and start extrapolating out. But hey, Marco Rubio is out of a career, which is totally worth having someone under the GOP banner further the destruction of the country. You don't think it's an apocalypse movie because people in a movie *never realize they're in one until they fucking die*. And then it doesn't matter.

And for the record, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio aren't my primary enemies - Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are. And Trump hasn't done shit to them. Except being responsible for the only moistness Hilldog has had in 30 years when she looks at how well she polls versus Trump in the general.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:25 PM (4/i9Y)

508 492

If you bothered to read it you would know he's not the Charles Johnson you're thinking of. Typical.

Posted by: bob at March 10, 2016 06:25 PM (fDhyp)

509 Not the Chuck. THE CHUCK!

Posted by: The Craw at March 10, 2016 06:25 PM (FkBIv)

510 "There is more than one Charles Johnson."

But there is only one Jarles Chonson, aka Chuckles

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM (ptqRm)

511 Yes, this is the Charles Johnson that gets it right sometimes, and sometimes not so much.

But I liked the article. The reporter does always seem to be in the middle if stuff that doesn't end up being entirely as it seemed at first glance.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM (CNKtx)

512 He is the most anti-left candidate in modern times.


This is one of my big problems--you don't know that. Nobody does, because nobodys knows for certain Trump's policy positions on most issues.

This is what anybody knows for certain: He takes a hard line on immigration and trade and wants an aggressive foreign policy. That's it. And, even there, the specifics are pretty limited.

That's all you know about Trump's policy positions.

That doesn't remotely count as the most anti-left candidate in modern times.

There's not even a guarantee he'll count as anti-left if that's all you know about the man.

If you doubt me, consider how much everybody on the right loved Chris Christie at one time because he got into fights with the right people.

It's the same damn thing. You do not know the policy positions of this person.

Posted by: AD at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM (eaBTR)

513 515
Yes, this is the Charles Johnson that gets it right sometimes, and sometimes not so much.



But I liked the article. The reporter does always seem to be in the
middle if stuff that doesn't end up being entirely as it seemed at first
glance.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM (CNKtx)
the fat red headed one with the asian wife?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM (0O7c5)

514 Just a replay, then.


Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 10, 2016 06:23 PM (ml1PM)

Of who?

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM (aRUb8)

515 orrr, someone fed him those names like someone fed him "2 Corinthians"...

Well they all get fed names. My guess is the 2 Corinthians thing was him riffing and reading notes off his card and not thinking.

Again, though, I should point out: I've heard seminary professors use 2 Corinthians. Its archaic but not unheard of.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (39g3+)

516 See also The American Revolution
Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:13 PM (WnCSK)

Precisely. And what made it different? Certain principles, not just destruction for its own sake.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (iLoHX)

517 515, But I liked the article. The reporter does always
seem to be in the middle if stuff that doesn't end up being entirely as
it seemed at first glance.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM (CNKtx)

Yup, as I said, Ms. Fields seems to be a very unfortunate person.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (a0IVu)

518 gotnews.com/calling-bullshit-michelle-fields/
Posted by: bob at March 10, 2016 06:17 PM (fDhyp)

That gotnews guy is often right. However, Politico has a transcript of the audio, and it's pretty convincing too.

Posted by: stace at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (ozZau)

519
For once she had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. Sometimes I just think it's too much, but seeing the strength in my young daughter's voice helped me to get through.
Posted by: Chris Crocker at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (e8kgV)

LOL. Anti-Trumpers, drooling in their hospital beds, aren't worthy of satire this good. But I appreciated it.

#AlwaysTrump

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (/dGwh)

520 Ace, I hope your personal repudiation of Trump doesn't mean the Blog and comments go 100% Cruz. It seems like every other conservative (and "conservative") blog out there has gone batshit crazy, forcing lockstep adherence to the chosen candidate or facing banning.

While the Horde has its differences, it seems we tolerate each other better than other sites, and I hope that doesn't change.

Except Kasich supporters. They can go fuck a fiery pineapple in the ass.

Posted by: Grimaldi at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (ZpiCK)

521 Ace, you haven't been paying attention. Trump has said much more than 'getting rid of the lines.' He's talked about opening the markets, health savings accounts, etc.

One thing that I appreciated about Tucker Carlson's analysis of Trump's debates performance and interviews is that he is NEW to politics. He is not polished and memorized from years of this stuff. And some of his mis-steps...confusing one form of visa (H1B) with another (F1 for students, I believe) was the sign of political newbie. There are dozens and dozens of topics that could come up at a debate...this takes a lot of time to polish in a regular politician. Trump is not a regular politician.

That is exactly how I see it. He does not have the years of political junk that other candidates do. But yet he has a strong message that gets through. We can forgive these mistakes because he's not political. Instead, the press and others attack him for this new-ness as if this is a sign of deception or lying.

Nope. He has been very solid on his main views: building a wall, fixing the trade problems, and getting rid of Obamacare. Just those three things would change so much about this country.

Trump may be green in politics, but he is not in business nor the blocks to businesses in this country.

Posted by: K-E at March 10, 2016 06:28 PM (69sTo)

522 broseidon @437 said, "They think it'll destroy everything, but for some reason it will spare those who called upon it."

No, I know. When Godzilla comes lots of stuff get trampled at random, even if a greater threat is being fought off. But if we continue on our current course we are screwed anyway.

Something else I know; immigration is the game. Amnesty turns TX blue and the game ends. Take out your American History book, turn to the last page and in a fancy font write "The End" on it.

Reagan didn't stop it. Bush I didn't, Clinton didn't, Bush II didn't and Obama has basically put the border patrol on standby. Clinton or Sanders won't stop it. Rubio or Kasich won't stop it, Cruz is vetoed by the establishment but he might at least try. Will Trump actually build the wall? Will he put TRUMP in fifty foot letters every quarter mile of it? You don't know, I don't know, Trump probably doesn't even know. But he might and that beats the certainty of defeat.

Posted by: John Morris at March 10, 2016 06:29 PM (sCRhB)

523 Here is Fields story about her encounter with the NYPD at the OWS brawl...see the Daily Caller report on line from 11/17/2011.

Here it is:

"The police officers were beating the protesters with batons, and were also beating the media" Fields told TheDC. "They hit Direna and me with batons. They hit other members of the press in order to get them to move out of the street"

"Direna had a camera in her hand and I had a microphone, and we were being hit," she said. "When I fell to the ground I said at one point, I'm just covering this! I am just covering this!" And the officer just said, 'Come on, get up, get up' before pulling me up by my jacket"

"The protesters came up to me right away and asked if I needed any medical assistance. They actually very kind and helpful. It was the police officers who were very aggressive," Fields added...

End...

You can also see the picture...just google it all.

Question for the "White Knights": Is the NYPD embarrassing too? Should they have not been so rough with Fields and instead let her stay where she was despite police orders to get out of the way? Just wondering...



Posted by: William Eaton at March 10, 2016 06:29 PM (q52Ma)

524 I don't get the hate toward Kasich. To me, he was less sinful than Rubio in his sins. Bad enough to disqualify him but not as blatant and excessive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:29 PM (39g3+)

525 524, Except Kasich supporters. They can go fuck a fiery pineapple in the ass.

Posted by: Grimaldi at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (ZpiCK)No love for chop-chop Kasich? Sad..

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 06:29 PM (a0IVu)

526 "That^

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:22 PM (aRUb "

Jesse has a much better filmography, though. Zoolander, Ghosts Can't Do It and Home Alone 2 versus Predator, Demolition Man and The Running Man? No contest.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:29 PM (4/i9Y)

527 Wow, this is a sentence that probably has never been uttered before. But Masturbatin' Pete is really nailing it. Stroking it even, you might say.

Trump is all about Trump. All sales are final and no implied obligations will be considered valid.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 10, 2016 06:29 PM (vLCft)

528 At least a few guys who fought valiantly for the Americans founds themselves pretty unhappy with the end result. The partisan leader Davies (who I am sure no one here has ever heard of) springs to mind, and I know there were others.
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 10, 2016 06:24 PM (bZ7mE)



Yo. And everybody here also wouldn't have liked it if I had had my way, for good reason.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 10, 2016 06:30 PM (eaBTR)

529 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (39g3+)

It's not that farfetched to assume Trump wouldn't know anything about the Bible. I highly doubt he's a theology scholar.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:30 PM (iLoHX)

530 Well, it certainly is odd that the worst guy is getting the most votes, and the best guy can't get enough votes and Rubio. . . so ok then, it's Kasick. Nobody likes Kasick but nobody hates him either, so Kasic or that Gillmore guy I guess. Where's the bandwagon, I want onit.

Posted by: Adelsun Westerly Jr at March 10, 2016 06:30 PM (CidDb)

531 Of who?
Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM


The Won.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 10, 2016 06:30 PM (ml1PM)

532 I am not fat!

I'm big-boned.

Posted by: Chubbles Jhosnon bids you Adieu at March 10, 2016 06:30 PM (XVjZ8)

533 BRAVO!!!

And thank you for not condescending to "Trumpsplain" his appeal to my "privileged", GOPe, cocktail swilling, Ivory Towered and sheltered ears in D.C..

Damn but it has been a BITCH to commute there AND coordinate with the Bilderbugers trying to get a permanent CSR job.

Posted by: Deety at March 10, 2016 06:31 PM (xPWMR)

534 Broseidon when have I ever defended trump on policy? I like the thrust of his stances and decry his lack of specifics.

He's a media savant and he defies public relations gravity. We need that right now. Any republican beats every dem on policy. It's surviving the media onslaught that is in question. That's the Democrat advantage. He wins in that arena. I don't think we can afford to just throw that away.

Posted by: Phone of kari at March 10, 2016 06:31 PM (nkxxS)

535 "They can go fuck a fiery pineapple in the ass."

Pineapples have rectums?

Who knew?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2016 06:31 PM (ptqRm)

536 Its easier to reach this conclusion if you have previously. Had an up.close and personal encounter with a conman. Preferably a lie straight to your face sociopath.

Knowing that such folks exist helps opens you up to the possibility

Posted by: the forgetler (@FORGETLER) at March 10, 2016 06:31 PM (EplRV)

537 "I don't get the hate toward Kasich. To me, he was less sinful than Rubio in his sins. Bad enough to disqualify him but not as blatant and excessive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:29 PM (39g3+) "

I don't get much of it either. As an Ohioan, he's been imperfect, but worlds better than Strickland. I guess it's the sheer audacity of sticking it out when he's got no chance besides being a VP pick or being a Hail Mary selection from a brokered convention? And the "son of a mailman" shtick is fucking terrible, too.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:31 PM (4/i9Y)

538 It's not that farfetched to assume Trump wouldn't know anything about the Bible. I highly doubt he's a theology scholar.

Oh, I doubt he's read a single book in the Bible. I'm not arguing he's a scholar, just that people who are so gleefully mocking this usage are a bit off base and its not that odd.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:31 PM (39g3+)

539 Nope. He has been very solid on his main views:
building a wall, fixing the trade problems, and getting rid of
Obamacare. Just those three things would change so much about this
country.



Posted by: K-E at March 10, 2016 06:28 PM

~~~~~

You mean the wall with the great, big, beautiful, door in it? The one that the illegals can come right back through?

And I guess a sure-fire way to fix the trade problems would be to start manufacturing his own products in the USA as opposed to China.

While we're at it, I guess he'll get rid of Obamacare and replace it with Trumpcare, right? Because he definitely believes the government should provide healthcare--said so himself.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 10, 2016 06:32 PM (E6RIJ)

540 I don't get the hate toward Kasich. To me, he was less sinful than Rubio in his sins. Bad enough to disqualify him but not as blatant and excessive.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:29 PM (39g3+)

It's the self righteous condescension and moral preening. Medicare expansion, too, I believe.

Plus just being plain annoying.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:32 PM (iLoHX)

541 having a health care "plan" is leftist in and of itself unless the plan is to remove govt from the equation.

repeal and replace with nothing is a good plan. like the fucking government could do anything other than skim anyway.

Posted by: x at March 10, 2016 06:33 PM (nFwvY)

542 >> I don't get the hate toward Kasich. To me, he was less
>> sinful than Rubio in his sins. Bad enough to disqualify him
>> but not as blatant and excessive.

Kasich started the slide down the slope when he caved on pushing back against public unions, and cemented his fall when he sucked the Obamacare Medicaid-expansion cock.

Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 06:33 PM (o+SC1)

543 Again, though, I should point out: I've heard seminary professors use 2 Corinthians. Its archaic but not unheard of.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (39g3+)

But I'm guessing that you had no doubt about them actually knowing what they were talking about?Did any of them state their strong Christian values...and then say, "I've never done anything that would make me think I should ask God for forgiveness....I've never done anything wrong"?

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:33 PM (aRUb8)

544 Ah Hell, there is some hate for Kasick supporters, and I don't want to be hated by anyone, so it's Gillmore for me.

Put me down for Gillmore. Nobody doesn't like Gillmore.

Posted by: Adelsun Westerly Jr at March 10, 2016 06:33 PM (CidDb)

545
Oh, the Supreme Court selections will be very least of Hillary's evils when in office... get ready for lawfare against speech the left doesn't care for. Get ready for actual confiscations of weapons.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor


Stock up on White Cloud.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 10, 2016 06:33 PM (FkBIv)

546 "He is the most anti-left candidate in modern times.
This is one of my big problems--you don't know that. Nobody does,
because nobodys knows for certain Trump's policy positions on most
issues.
This is what anybody knows for certain: He takes a hard line on
immigration and trade and wants an aggressive foreign policy. That's
it. And, even there, the specifics are pretty limited.
" ad

yeah, we don't know, but the butler knows.

kinda just kidding .. but many that work directly with him say he is good, his kids seem good, and us old guys can smell a phony.

The phony I smell is Cruz ... he does tell lies ... he does have deep ties to Bush, his wife and family money is tied to Goldman Sachs, his "face of God" and "body of Christ must rise up" shtick really stinks to me as one who has been there.

Limbaugh loves the butler story. People that treat their people right and as normal people, not slaves .... that really says a lot. Surely most people are smelling the "status quo" agitprop against Trump?

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 06:34 PM (eUbDe)

547 Meh.

Posted by: Hot Air Hillary-Lover at March 10, 2016 06:34 PM (3myMJ)

548 For a palate cleanser, I recommend the side bar story of the Penguin Dindim and the man who rescued him.

Posted by: Cheri at March 10, 2016 06:34 PM (oiNtH)

549 552
For a palate cleanser, I recommend the side bar story of the Penguin Dindim and the man who rescued him.

Posted by: Cheri at March 10, 2016 06:34 PM (oiNtH)
that is so sweet

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 06:35 PM (0O7c5)

550 oh, and this guy asks good questions on the manufactured crisis of that hot babe with arm bruises ... agitprop is real ... they buy people.

gotnews.com/calling-bullshit-michelle-fields/

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 06:35 PM (eUbDe)

551 If you bothered to read it you would know he's not the Charles Johnson you're thinking of. Typical.

Posted by: bob at March 10, 2016 06:25 PM (fDhyp)

Wrong.

E.g.: http://adamsteinbaugh.com/2015/06/18/chuck-johnson-files-libel-lawsuit-in-missouri-for-some-reason/

https://popehat.com/2015/10/17/lawsplainer-why-chuck-c-johnson-is-about-to-get-moed-down/

Posted by: T at March 10, 2016 06:35 PM (1Dc9T)

552
Kasick, early on, started slinging insults toward the base. You forgot that?

The man is a shit.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:36 PM (9yW+Y)

553 Yeah that penguin story is pretty neat

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:36 PM (39g3+)

554 I don't hate Kasich, to me he's more McCain or Dole, if it was going to be him or Hildabeast I'd vote for him in a second.

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 06:36 PM (fizMZ)

555 Trump could release the NYT interview that would prove he's really serious about immigration.

Or prove it was just to get votes.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:36 PM (UBBWX)

556 Bad enough to disqualify him but not as blatant and excessive.

Really?
Kasich willingly implemented the socialist policies Obama foisted on the nation, and called you a hell-bound sinner in the bargain if you dared disagree. Rubio didn't manage to enact his
colossal dumbfuckery.

Posted by: actions at March 10, 2016 06:36 PM (H4lH4)

557 "Broseidon when have I ever defended trump on policy? I like the thrust of his stances and decry his lack of specifics.

He's a media savant and he defies public relations gravity. We need that right now. Any republican beats every dem on policy. It's surviving the media onslaught that is in question. That's the Democrat advantage. He wins in that arena. I don't think we can afford to just throw that away.

Posted by: Phone of kari at March 10, 2016 06:31 PM (nkxxS) "

So have you backtracked from telling us to read his website and expecting him to actually follow the polices laid out on it? I did see that today you're basically just hoping that down the line Trump will be more of a policy wonk and act more Presidential.

Also, do we really beat the Dems on policy? We probably should. We keep saying that this is still a center-right country that should be in favor of center-right policies. But I think it might be shortsighted to think that the only thing holding us back from landslide victories is that the MSM is in the tank for the Democrats.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:36 PM (4/i9Y)

558 FNC reporting that Dr. Carson is going to endorse Trump.

Posted by: logprof at March 10, 2016 06:37 PM (8PcKB)

559 Hey it's good that Ace has drawn a line in the sand over an issue which is one strongly worded apology away from being resolved. Doesn't mean he's Charles of Johnson.

It's his blog. He gets to say what's on his mind.

Sure, I prefer Cruz. A seasoned Cruz. Holding trumps feet to the fire for four years. Getting stuff done. Synergy.

But I don't always get what I want, but if I try sometimes, I get what I need.

Posted by: mega machines at March 10, 2016 06:37 PM (fbovC)

560 BTW what happened to Gabe? Don't see him on the podcasts anymore.

Posted by: Vikings at March 10, 2016 06:37 PM (8YheK)

561 I've become far more anti-Trump the past week after he made it clear in that debate he has no interest in even the most basic of details of his own immigration policy beyond some fabulous wall. The one issue he allegedly really cares about, the issue what made him the frontrunner, and he don't know shit about it. I'm increasingly skeptical of the guy.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 10, 2016 06:37 PM (KmC7Z)

562 We alll liked it when the loose cannon sent the GOP powder monkeys scrambling in panic.

But at the end of the day what has turned me from "trump-curious" to anti-trump is that he is a loose cannon. Period. And a loose cannon can just as easily sink the ship it's careening on.

And just to make a point: A salesman discovers what qualities you want in a product, and talks up his product's ability to provide them. OTOH, a conman convinces you whatever he has for sale does that. I'm am dysconvinced Trump is a salesman.

Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at March 10, 2016 06:37 PM (wKcQA)

563

Krauthammer is always a dick to Laura Ingraham.
She got under his skin, no doubt. It's weird.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 06:38 PM (qCMvj)

564 A lot of this has descended to the level of sports mania.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 06:38 PM (oVJmc)

565 And when it comes to immigration, it becomes clear that many of you don't really mind a powerful authoritarian government as long as it's swinging the billy clubs at someone you deem to be on the other side of some silly cultural tribalist competition.

The central planners in Washington know as much about who should immigrate here as they do about managing grain production, invading other nations, or the environment: not a damn thing. Stop believing this nonsense.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 10, 2016 06:38 PM (vLCft)

566 Hmmm


Carson going for veep? He's gonna have to push the Fat man out of the way

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 06:38 PM (zOTsN)

567 We will hear that interview as soon as it's him and Hildabeast in the election

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 06:38 PM (fizMZ)

568 "They desperately want him to be their opponent."

Over Cruz? I don't buy that.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:39 PM (WnCSK)

569 I'm not arguing he's a scholar, just that people
who are so gleefully mocking this usage are a bit off base and its not
that odd.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:31 PM (39g3+)


I can't speak for others, but I'm not "mocking" him for that usage...I'm pointing out his blatant lying about this and any other thing he may feel the need to lie about to gain favor. The man is a pathological liar imo. It doesn't take much awareness to see that there is something seriously wrong with his mind.

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:39 PM (aRUb8)

570 Really?

Well you make the call (tm)

Which is worse:
-Trying to flood the nation with millions of illegals and give them legal status, repeatedly, lying about it and saying something different in Spanish...

-Taking money from the government for health care in a lame system and acting like a jackass about it

To me, Rubio is the worst of the two. Like being punched in the eye and punched in the balls: both bad, but one is worse.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:39 PM (39g3+)

571 Trump's old butler seems like a lovely guy; I'm glad his 20 years with Trump were good ones.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 06:39 PM (a0IVu)

572 I'm increasingly skeptical of the guy.

Indeed, it appears he's all hat, and no cattle, and I'm not sure about the hat.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 10, 2016 06:39 PM (ml1PM)

573 I was mostly just using the Kasich line for comedic effect, but he is an interesting candidate to examine. My dad was initially really excited about Kasich...said he had a fairly conservative history, connected with blue collar workers, and could come across as tough and no-nonsense when speaking, which Trump (early in the race) was showing to be very effective.

After a few debate performances, he reluctantly admitted that today's Kasich isn't the same man he remembered from several years ago, and just sounded like a condescending RINO.

Posted by: Grimaldi at March 10, 2016 06:40 PM (ZpiCK)

574 He is the most anti-left candidate in modern times.
This is one of my big problems--you don't know that. Nobody does,
because nobodys knows for certain Trump's policy positions on most
issues.


And neither does he. I could swear Trump sounds like he's making up answers on the spot, saying whatever sounds good to him at that particular moment. If he was asked the same question at some other moment, you might get a different answer.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 10, 2016 06:40 PM (NQfl6)

575 >> The man is a shit.

I don't care what he says, I care what he's done, and what he's done has been Big Government GOP.

What I want, most of all, from a President is to get the entire EPA staff in an auditorium and set fire to it. Well, not quite, but close. Eenie-meenie-minie-moe which side of the room is fired? Then do DOJ, Education, etc. You want to keep your pension? Congratulations, you're a sworn Border Patrol officer, get your ass to El Paso.

I can just about see Cruz doing it. See Chris Adams' PJ piece on Cruz' understanding of the bureaucracy. I'm not convinced Trump would do so.

Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 06:40 PM (o+SC1)

576 I can't speak for others, but I'm not "mocking" him for that usage

Its just one of those things that comes up on the internet and gets used over and over without really understanding it. Like little kids "2 Corinthians! 2 Corinthians!" I see that and go uh, guys....

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:40 PM (39g3+)

577 i find it odd that carson is backing trump.....and pamela geller is backing cruz...i would think it would be the opposite

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 06:40 PM (0O7c5)

578 Wow, this is a sentence that probably has never been uttered before. But Masturbatin' Pete is really nailing it.

-----

I'm actually kind of a legend around these parts, actually. I've got a strong right hook.

I'd come around more if the comments section wasn't an embarrassment by 1997 Geocities standards.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 10, 2016 06:40 PM (LtQCz)

579 LOL. Anti-Trumpers, drooling in their hospital beds, aren't worthy of satire this good. But I appreciated it.

#AlwaysTrump
Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 06:27 PM (/dGwh)

Yes, we appreciated it too. This shtick has been around here for at least four years and possibly more; It was used about Romney and possibly McCain., but you're cleary new here.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 06:41 PM (w4NZ8)

580 "If you doubt me, consider how much everybody on the right loved Chris Christie at one time because he got into fights with the right people.

It's the same damn thing. You do not know the policy positions of this person.

Posted by: AD at March 10, 2016 06:26 PM (eaBTR) "

That's a good point. Christie had his only real momentum because he got in people's faces - then we found out he was about as principled a conservative as Charlie Crist.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:41 PM (4/i9Y)

581 You see incredibly tiny victories and start extrapolating out. But hey, Marco Rubio is out of a career, which is totally worth having someone under the GOP banner further the destruction of the country.

And for the record, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio aren't my primary enemies - Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are. And Trump hasn't done shit to them.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:25 PM (4/i9Y)

... really? The GOP establishment losing out in the biggest way since Reagan is a small victory? Okay then. Maybe Hillary is all excited (could you have picked less brain-melting imagery?), but so were Trump's rivals. Pretty sure "gleeful" explained why they weakened each other but not him.

I mean, has Cruz done anything to Hillary? Really done, mind you, not the "well, there's a secret clause in this bill which totally shuts down the leftist agenda."

http://www.dailypundit.com/?p=113822

Here's a hint: it wasn't Cruz who made Bill Clinton a non-factor. I don't hate the guy, it has to be said, but you do have to give Trump his due credit.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 06:41 PM (MEHba)

582 Like being punched in the eye and punched in the balls: both bad, but one is worse.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:39 PM (39g3+)


Wait ... which one is worse?

Am I choosing between being a cyclops or a eunuch here?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:41 PM (uURQL)

583 Carson is mad about the Cruz campaign whisper campaign that he was dropping out

Right before he dropped out

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 06:41 PM (zOTsN)

584
"Conservatism is about having a big heart, giving people an opportunity to live out their God-given purpose. We all need to be centers of justice and centers of healing."

We were created to be stewards of God's creation, and God's creation is the environment. And we have to take care of it. We can't worship it. If we worship it, that's called pantheism and that is a sin. We don't worship other things. But we should be good stewards."


John Kasick, September 2015,
Lecturing the angry Conservative base on what it means to be a Conservative Christian. Kasick is giving his "just the tip" speech here on socialism and climate change and open borders.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:42 PM (9yW+Y)

585 Over Cruz? I don't buy that.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:39 PM (WnCSK)



Seriously??? In a debate with either Clinton or Sanders, you think that TRUMP would do a better job of intellectually smacking those two around?? I have no doubt that Trump would do a better job of hurling juvenile insults, but after that, WHAT does he actually have going for him?

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:42 PM (aRUb8)

586
If Trump can't explain his position, Hannity will repeat it for him.

Posted by: wth at March 10, 2016 06:42 PM (HgMAr)

587 I catch Laura on the weekends on the radio sometimes, I do like her.

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 06:42 PM (fizMZ)

588 FNC reporting that Dr. Carson is going to endorse Trump.

ABC news is saying the same, to be announced tomorrow. I think that would be the beginning of the end then.

Posted by: bananaDream at March 10, 2016 06:42 PM (Ag8Mw)

589 "He's a media savant and he defies public relations gravity. We need that right now. "

You do know that Les Moonves (CBS boss of Dan Rather) is publicly salivating at the RATINGS and the AD REVENUE Trump is generating in front of share-holders?

No?

Posted by: Deety at March 10, 2016 06:43 PM (xPWMR)

590

Kasick also said that if you question his bog government style of governing, you hate Jesus.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:43 PM (9yW+Y)

591 but many that work directly with him say he is good, his kids seem good, and us old guys can smell a phony.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 06:34 PM

~~~~~

Read the article written by the "sign lady," Tama Starr, who had business dealings with him, and explains what she had to go through to get him to pay.

nydailynews.com/opinion/tama-starr-ugly-art-trump-deals-article-1.2422470

And you should check out what his old secretary has to say about him..."You don't bring bad news to Mr. Trump."

Posted by: IrishEi at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (E6RIJ)

592 Trump must be really working on Carson, as he compared him to child molester.

But I always figured Carson would go for Trump.

Its just take a few weeks.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (UBBWX)

593 If you think the things Obama says come with an expiration date you ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: The Donald at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (c7vUv)

594 i find it odd that carson is backing trump.....and pamela geller is backing cruz...i would think it would be the opposite

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 06:40 PM (0O7c5)


carson doesn't like cruz
geller is smart!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (qCMvj)

595
Wow, if Carson can endorse Trump after all that abuse, Cruz certainly can.

Wow, Trump. Never saw that endorsement coming. Stunning.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (9yW+Y)

596 FNC reporting that Dr. Carson is going to endorse Trump.
-------
OK. Bring out Mitte Romney again for another speech!

Posted by: RioBravo at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (NUqwG)

597 Am I choosing between being a cyclops or a eunuch here?

What? you got a spare! Sack up! assuming it didn't get punched off.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (39g3+)

598 Cruz would kill them in a formal debate style. But his answers are too long and not very "sound bitey"


Most people watch snippets of debates, not full debates

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)

599 But Trump is going to be the nominee.



Now what?



Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 04:53 PM (9yW+Y)

That is not at all certain... he has fewer than 100 delegates over Cruz.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (NPofj)

600 585...I was referring more to the point of trumps willingness to sling mud not a policy debate.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (WnCSK)

601 I catch Laura on the weekends on the radio sometimes, I do like her.
Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 06:42 PM (fizMZ)


I like her a lot.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (qCMvj)

602 And neither does he. I could swear Trump sounds like he's making up answers on the spot, saying whatever sounds good to him at that particular moment. If he was asked the same question at some other moment, you might get a different answer.
Posted by: OregonMuse

a businessman is fundamentally different than the shitheels who feed at the trough and think they know what the facts is. I'll take my chances on someone who doesn't make their living off other peoples taxes.

Posted by: Billy Mack at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (nFwvY)

603 577
i find it odd that carson is backing trump.....and pamela geller is backing cruz...i would think it would be the opposite

----

It'd be odd to see Geller backing the guy who pledged to be the "neutral guy" in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Of course, Carson is backing guy who's an anti-vaxxer and compared him to a child molester, but he always stroke me as someone who would tolerate plenty of stuff to get the best deal for himself.

Posted by: Alabi at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (89I+i)

604 Carson is mad about the Cruz campaign whisper campaign that he was dropping out

Right before he dropped out
Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 06:41 PM (zOTsN)

I thought he wasn't going to endorse anyone. Am I the only one, or is anyone else not moved by endorsements? I mean, I was happy Carly endorsed Cruz, but it didn't make me like or dislike him more.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (iLoHX)

605 Yeah, that sign lady article matches my experience with a certain kind of businessman. The really "successful" kind that get rich constantly delaying payments and sometimes never even paying. Its always someone else's money they want to risk.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (UBBWX)

606 Yes! Finally got rid of that fucking thief running the Wounded Warrior Project.

I can now start donating to them again.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 10, 2016 06:46 PM (sqs5K)

607 kinda just kidding .. but many that work directly with him say he is good, his kids seem good, and us old guys can smell a phony.

The phony I smell is Cruz ...



I've said it before--assuming the racist stuff is bull, I actually think Trump is more likable than Cruz. I get it. That's why I've ragged on him constantly here. I think he comes off as a prima donna in love with his own brilliance. I think after his last four years in DC you can say he's not a phony vis-a-vis his conservatism, though. And, if you can't say that about him, you can't say that about anybody else.

Posted by: AD at March 10, 2016 06:46 PM (eaBTR)

608 i would think it would be the opposite

Me too, Carson must have really got his feelings hurt in that caucus. Why, he could have gotten fives of more voters!

We were created to be stewards of God's creation, and God's creation is the environment. And we have to take care of it. We can't worship it. If we worship it, that's called pantheism and that is a sin. We don't worship other things. But we should be good stewards.

Other than being needlessly preachy, what's the problem with this?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:46 PM (39g3+)

609 Its always the businessman who's bragging a lot about how great their company is who is the guy who skips payments, too.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:46 PM (UBBWX)

610 "A lot of this has descended to the level of sports mania.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 06:38 PM (oVJmc) "

Every election cycle has that feel, but at times it seems like Trump is playing a different game than everybody else. Cruz vs. Rubio is the Yankees vs. the Red Sox, but Cruz vs. Trump is the Yankees vs. the Patriots. Trump is winning by two touchdowns and everybody else is wondering why somebody is throwing a football around on a baseball diamond.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:46 PM (4/i9Y)

611 "Again, though, I should point out: I've heard seminary professors use 2 Corinthians. Its archaic but not unheard of.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor"

lol ... I my 11 years (long ago), including going into homes and discussing with many, I never heard that. I love the "two corinthians walked into a bar" goof on Trump over this. ha (I got a bach of theology, but not in seminary, and don't lean on it)

Yet on Trump never asking God for forgiveness accusation, I side with Trump. He finally said "I try to make it right with the person". That is so much better than "God forgave me for raping your daughter so screw you, I don't have to pay or make it right". (yes that is exaggeration, but I like Trump's "theological" position. Make amends to the person harmed)

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (eUbDe)

612 >>FNC reporting that Dr. Carson is going to endorse Trump.

I wanted to take a steaming dump on the RNC, this as close as I could get.

Posted by: Ben Carson at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (c7vUv)

613 558
FNC reporting that Dr. Carson is going to endorse Trump.

Posted by: logprof at March 10, 2016 06:37 PM

~~~~~

Carson's nose is still out of joint, and he blames Cruz for his failed campaign. LOL. He's a decent guy, but he should have laid off the Ambien.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (E6RIJ)

614 obamas approval ratings are at a 3 year high? WTF? We are so screwed...

Posted by: donna at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (/dSsq)

615 What? you got a spare! Sack up! assuming it didn't get punched off.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (39g3+)


Just clarifying the situation!

Chicks dig the eyepatch. Yarrrr.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (uURQL)

616 If Trump is the nominee Hillary will kick his ass like it's the end of the world, which of course it will damn near be. She will not be indickted because the only person capable of making that happen is askeered of the dirt the Clintoni crime family has on him. Quid pro quo, baby. Cruz can beat Hillary. I believe he is about as close to Reagan as we will ever see again. If the other 'candidates' endorse Trump it will be due to the deals he made with them. Cruz should pick somebody like Allen West. My .02 worth, but YMMV.

Posted by: Eromero at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (zLDYs)

617 564 A lot of this has descended to the level of sports mania.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 06:38 PM (oVJmc)


Yeah, but sports are entertaining.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (sdi6R)

618

I regretted watching the last debate after skipping one for that reason.

what to do
what to do

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (qCMvj)

619
a businessman is fundamentally different than
the shitheels who feed at the trough and think they know what the facts
is. I'll take my chances on someone who doesn't make their living off
other peoples taxes.

Posted by: Billy Mack at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (nFwvY)

-------
There have been plenty of businessmen running and elected for political office - and I daresay most with far less connections to the political world than Trump. The thesis that they all sound as clueless in policy and are perennial flip-floppers is risible.

Posted by: Alabi at March 10, 2016 06:48 PM (89I+i)

620
Hillary will take your guns.Trumps a carnival barker but i'll vote for him if he is the nominee

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 10, 2016 06:48 PM (lKyWE)

621 FNC reporting that Dr. Carson is going to endorse Trump.

-------

OK. Bring out Mitte Romney again for another speech!

Posted by: RioBravo at March 10, 2016 06:44 PM (NUqwG)

I don't see that on FNC... and I searched for Carson.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 06:48 PM (NPofj)

622 I can now start donating to them again.

I'd hold off until its clear he doesn't have buddies in there running it still. Very frustrating scum like that corrupt good organizations.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:48 PM (39g3+)

623 Seriously??? In a debate with either Clinton or Sanders, you think that TRUMP would do a better job of intellectually smacking those two around?? I have no doubt that Trump would do a better job of hurling juvenile insults, but after that, WHAT does he actually have going for him?

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:42 PM (aRUb

Look, the kinds of "debates" on TV have long since degenerated into farce, exemplified when Candy Crowley pretty much saved Obama's election against Mitt-quetoast. Trump has the ability to take that squalid show and turn it on itself. Now, if we had serious debates and they mattered? Cruz would be the nominee already and I'd be quite happy with it. But we don't live there.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 06:49 PM (MEHba)

624 Well, then . . . welcome back from the clutches of the cult.

Posted by: Attila Girl at March 10, 2016 06:49 PM (HI1YC)

625 Trump is more likeable than Cruz. This is true.

But likeable is for the rubes. I'm paying taxes, not collecting welfare. Sorry, but I need some substance.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:49 PM (UBBWX)

626 Hillary will take your guns.Trumps a carnival barker but i'll vote for him if he is the nominee

And the SCOTUS..... frightening....

Posted by: donna at March 10, 2016 06:49 PM (/dSsq)

627 A reporter got shoved. Who fricking cares? And she cried lol. Another argument why women shouldn't be involved in (fill in the blank).


This is just emotional appealism to white knighting types who will derpa derpa something something.


Of more concern is not being able to articulate a policy. Of course if you're watching these "debates" to hear about policy, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 10, 2016 06:49 PM (4ErVI)

628 I don't fear Trump. When the alternatives are a felon and a Sandinista, you might as well embrace the Sweet Billionaire of Death.

But I'd much prefer Cruz.

There's that absurd bit of crap over at TheWeek about Cruz' lack of Senate supporters. Frankly, the current Senate ought to be napalmed, so that's actually something of a positive.

Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (o+SC1)

629 Fox roundtable discussing Lynch's idea of starting a gulag for climate change denial

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (fizMZ)

630
We keep saying that this is still a center-right country that should be in favor of center-right policies.

A center-right country would not have elected Obama.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (FkBIv)

631 Trumpskyites are literally calling Fiorina a whore because a year ago , when she and Cruz had just entered the race , a super PAC that seems to be connected with Cruz gave her $500K.
Curious who is going to be bailing out the Christie and Carson campaign debts . I hope they got the checks before the endorsements.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (atxbt)

632 Trump needs to release his taxes. Come one Mr. Big Wallet, let's see what's in there.

I predict he'll be allowed to skate on this, until just after he wins...then the it will be the first question he gets from the media for every single interview until Nov. 2016.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (UBBWX)

633 When is this over. When is Florida

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (zOTsN)

634 I regretted watching the last debate after skipping one for that reason.



what to do

what to do

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM (qCMvj)

The one before the last one was really good.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (NPofj)

635 obamas approval ratings are at a 3 year high? WTF?

The less he's in the news, the more people claim to like him. People like the idea of Obama more than the guy, and when he's in the news, they remember what a radical, condescending, arrogant jackwagon he really is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (39g3+)

636 Yet on Trump never asking God for forgiveness accusation, I side with Trump. He finally said "I try to make it right with the person". That is so much better than "God forgave me for raping your daughter so screw you, I don't have to pay or make it right". (yes that is exaggeration, but I like Trump's "theological" position. Make amends to the person harmed)

That's how I leaned when ace was making hay about it.

Bible study is going through the Gospel of Matthew, and the call is to repent, not "ask for forgiveness".

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (uURQL)

637 Trump reminds one of Groucho Marx's line:

"Those are my principles. If you don't like them... I have others."

Posted by: stuiec at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (eetvJ)

638 Didn't Carson nail his projected 10% in Iowa? I never quite understood the butthurt there.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 10, 2016 06:51 PM (KmC7Z)

639 I'd hold off until its clear he doesn't have buddies
in there running it still. Very frustrating scum like that corrupt
good organizations.


Posted by: Christopher Taylor


Yeah I hope they get the ship righted, it really made me mad what that fucking guy did. He should be arrested for fraud.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 10, 2016 06:51 PM (sqs5K)

640 Hey everybody.

Salon, of all places, just ran a decent piece from Camille Paglia on her thoughts about Trump. Even more shocking, the comment section isn't 100% pure leftist hate in response.

Someone must have knocked Joan "Bitch Queen of New Orlean" Walsh and her evil minions out with a frying pan and locked 'em in the closet this week.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 06:51 PM (ntObR)

641 625
Trump is more likeable than Cruz. This is true.



Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:49 PM (UBBWX)----
Is it true for the electorate at-large though? I doubt it. Maybe it's true, but Trump's 70% unfavs seem to suggest otherwise.

Posted by: Alabi at March 10, 2016 06:51 PM (89I+i)

642 a businessman is fundamentally different than the shitheels who feed at the trough and think they know what the facts is. I'll take my chances on someone who doesn't make their living off other peoples taxes.
Posted by: Billy Mack at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (nFwvY)

So a businessman never knows what he's talking about. He just wings it. Got it.

This is the type of thing I was talking about with some Trump supporters. So OregonMuse says it seems like Trump actually never knows what he's talking about, and then Billy Mack doesn't refute that but just says only filthy politicians concern themselves with "facts".

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:51 PM (iLoHX)

643 meh

I'm not especially interested in this back and forth anymore truly since about 2 weeks ago. i figure you pick a corner and stay with it.

campaign season every candidate seems to be hopeless and terrible and most of that is manipulation by other campaigns or the media, including blogs and polling/pr firms.

if i were to give a damn I'd be supporting Bernie right now ffs. they all suck.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 10, 2016 06:51 PM (Cq0oW)

644 "Of more concern is not being able to articulate a policy. Of course if you're watching these "debates" to hear about policy, you're doing it wrong."

No, Trump outlines his policies during his speeches.

Oh wait, those are all about polls, TV show ratings, and humorous musings.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:51 PM (UBBWX)

645 >>>A center-right country would not have elected Obama.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (FkBIv)>>>

Meh. I could if he ran against someone like McCain or Romney.

Posted by: gm at March 10, 2016 06:52 PM (4ueYo)

646 I may have been suckered by Fields.

Lewandowski might be the innocent party. Read this piece, if you haven't already seen it. Full disclosure, it was linked at Lewandowski's twitter page.

http://bit.ly/1pbHVj2

Posted by: MTF at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (H8GoT)

647 Washington Post reports Ben Carson to endorse Trump according to two sources:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zxt6tn4

Posted by: RioBravo at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (NUqwG)

648 I don't see that on FNC... and I searched for Carson.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 06:48 PM (NPofj)


Googling "Carson endorse" shows items about endorsing trump for WaPo and ABC News, but searching "Carson endorse fox" brings up nothing.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (uURQL)

649 "Is it true for the electorate at-large though? I doubt it. Maybe it's true, but Trump's 70% unfavs seem to suggest otherwise."

Hmmmmm. I just know Ted gives off that vibe that people don't like.

Trump is kind of fun even when he's full of it.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (UBBWX)

650 "... really? The GOP establishment losing out in the biggest way since Reagan is a small victory? Okay then. Maybe Hillary is all excited (could you have picked less brain-melting imagery?), but so were Trump's rivals. Pretty sure "gleeful" explained why they weakened each other but not him.

I mean, has Cruz done anything to Hillary? Really done, mind you, not the "well, there's a secret clause in this bill which totally shuts down the leftist agenda."

http://www.dailypundit.com/?p=113822

Here's a hint: it wasn't Cruz who made Bill Clinton a non-factor. I don't hate the guy, it has to be said, but you do have to give Trump his due credit.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 06:41 PM (MEHba) "

But Trump isn't Reagan. And Cruz as the nominee would be just as big of a black eye to the establishment as Trump - if you haven't realized, they hate him so much that they're basically handing the nomination to Trump by keeping Rubio and Kasich in the game. I know they're praying that Trump just barely misses the 1237 threshold and they can get a brokered convention, but the most likely outcome is still a Trump nomination.

It just seems like you're arguing for a pyrrhic victory. You want bodies strewn all over the place, and as long as we have one able bodied soldier who can plant a flag somewhere, we win. I think Cruz can give us a win against both the Democrats and the establishment GOP without also unleashing something terrifying.

I suppose you think it's too late for anything but an absolutely seismic shift to change things, and Trump is a 9.2 earthquake. I just don't agree we're that far gone yet.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (4/i9Y)

651 rationalize all you want and need to but a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for hillary.

Fine by me. Hillary, Trump, there's not a spit's worth of distance between them on policy, court nominations or their view of the office of Presidency as the seat of unlimited personal power. Either one of them fucks this country beyond redemption. Hell, I'd take the crotchety old commie over either of them.

Hillary is probably less personally unstable than Trump, however, and is thus likely a safer bet.

In any event, I'll vote my principles and go to my God like a freeman.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (N8hFs)

652 I'll get in trouble for saying this, but here goes anyway.

I'm glad Michelle Obama is going to attend Nancy Reagan's funeral. Call me crazy but IMHO she's a classier person than her husband anyway. (Not that that's a high bar...)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (ntObR)

653 The reporter could be crazy...she is a Breitbart reporter.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:54 PM (UBBWX)

654 >>>620
Hillary will take your guns.

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 10, 2016 06:48 PM (lKyWE)>>>

No she won't.

Posted by: gm at March 10, 2016 06:54 PM (4ueYo)

655 What the hell happened to Matt Drudge?

It's getting harder and harder to visit the Trump Report anymore. What a shame.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 10, 2016 06:55 PM (I3+56)

656 I'm glad Michelle Obama is going to attend Nancy Reagan's funeral.

I wonder how many muscle relaxers they'll put her on to keep her hate-face from searing through the TV screen.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:55 PM (39g3+)

657 I'm glad Michelle Obama is going to attend Nancy Reagan's funeral. Call me crazy but IMHO she's a classier person than her husband anyway. (Not that that's a high bar




As First lady it is appropriate to honor another First lady.. That being said there's nothing classy about Mooch... Probably gonna do some LA sight seeing...

Posted by: donna at March 10, 2016 06:55 PM (/dSsq)

658 Trump is the cute girl you dance with all night at the bar, and then wake up in the morning to realize the girl has schlong.

Posted by: spypeach at March 10, 2016 06:55 PM (nyYhO)

659
I'd really like to hear Kasich talk more about his government resume and accomplishments in government. And the great state of Ohio.
And if he could do it with pursed lips that would show how much he cares.

Posted by: wth at March 10, 2016 06:55 PM (HgMAr)

660 >>I'm glad Michelle Obama is going to attend Nancy Reagan's funeral. Call me crazy but IMHO she's a classier person than her husband anyway. (Not that that's a high bar...)
Posted by: qdpsteve

I heard there would be a buffet.

Posted by: Mooch at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (c7vUv)

661 >> A center-right country would not have elected Obama.

The problem is you've got a ruling class desperately afraid of being called RAYCISS!

Barack Obama had a nice upper-class white upbringing until his skin color started getting him advantages. Had he been white he'd still be a state senator somewhere, if he'd even gotten into Columbia in the first place.

Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (o+SC1)

662 Christopher, they'll just blue-dot her face. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (ntObR)

663 Lib Media Ted Cruz Supporters Made Up Story About Trump Campaign Manager Knocking Over Reporter (VIDEO)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf9rq96

Posted by: ahem at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (lKGzI)

664 I'm not especially interested in this back and forth anymore truly since about 2 weeks ago. i figure you pick a corner and stay with it.

It's highly unlikely anything will happen in the primaries to change my decision matrix.

Kill GOPe, 1st choice Trump, backup Cruz.

And I doubt my vote even matters (Cali). So just enjoy the Political Sports Team trash talk and wait for the actual game to resolve.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (uURQL)

665 One more Romney speech. That should finish Trump.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (PvCxa)

666 Trump is the cute girl you dance with all night at the bar, and then wake up in the morning to realize the girl has schlong.
Posted by: spypeach at March 10, 2016 06:55 PM (nyYhO)
-------
???

Posted by: RioBravo at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (NUqwG)

667 600
585...I was referring more to the point of trumps willingness to sling mud not a policy debate.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 06:45 PM (WnCSK)

Thanks for the clarification....but I still don't grasp your point.The way I'm reading it, you seem to be saying that the dems..Hillary/Bernie.. would WANT a good poo flinger to go up against, and would actually rather debate Ted Cruz??

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (aRUb8)

668 Asking forgiveness and repenting are not mutually exclusive.

Jeez.

1 John 1:8-10 NASB

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (iLoHX)

669 http://www.ufunk.net/illustration/rainbow-superheroes/

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (lJ46T)

670 614
obamas approval ratings are at a 3 year high? WTF? We are so screwed...

Posted by: donna at March 10, 2016 06:47 PM
~~~~~

I think that just reflects the fact that he hasn't been in the news much. Like Hillary---her favorables were much better before she started campaigning.

Give it time. Once Obama starts to realize that he's not getting the media's full attention he'll start acting up/out again.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (E6RIJ)

671 I'm glad Michelle Obama is going to attend Nancy
Reagan's funeral. Call me crazy but IMHO she's a classier person than
her husband anyway. (Not that that's a high bar...)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (ntObR)...i'm glad she's going...as a first lady in good health she should attend

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (0O7c5)

672 IIRC Gov. Rick Scott was going to endorse Trump about ten days ago, still hasn't.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (atxbt)

673 Look, civilization had to end sometime, right?

Posted by: Weasel at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (e3bId)

674 RioBravo, see "The Crying Game."

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (ntObR)

675 >> Trump is the cute girl you dance with all night at the bar,
>> and then wake up in the morning to realize the girl has
>> schlong.

And an Austrian accent.

We had one of those in California.

Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (o+SC1)

676 664, And I doubt my vote even matters (Cali). So just enjoy the Political Sports Team trash talk and wait for the actual game to resolve.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (uURQL)

That's where I am too. One good thing about living here.

Posted by: IC at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (a0IVu)

677 A reporter got shoved. Who fricking cares? And she
cried lol. Another argument why women shouldn't be involved in (fill in
the blank).


This is just emotional appealism to white knighting types who will derpa derpa something something.



Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 10, 2016 06:49 PM (4ErVI)

I don't know... people who are not utter dicks?

My sons were taught that as long as they are alive, it will be their job to look after those who are smaller and weaker than themselves. They were told that I would be ashamed of them if they left someone to be bullied or abused when they could have done something about it. I told them that, regardless of what their schools said, they always had he right to physically defend themselves and others who could not defend themselves.

What would your mother think, Dack, if she heard you say that out loud in her presence.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (NPofj)

678


Hmmmmm. I just know Ted gives off that vibe that people don't like.



Trump is kind of fun even when he's full of it.





Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (UBBWX)

---I agree about Cruz. What I suspect is that you're not remotely representative of the American voter when it comes to Trump's likeability.

Posted by: Alabi at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (89I+i)

679 I'm starting to doubt the "center right" description of the country. Schools are turning out leftists at a alarming rate. That's why I say the next Democrat President will be the last, and Socialist will be next.

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (fizMZ)

680 Ben Carson to endorse trump tomorrow am.

Thanks Ben, you're so conservative. Campaign was publicity tour for his book.

Posted by: Carol at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (sj3Ax)

681 >>> if he'd even gotten into Columbia in the first place.
Posted by: JEM at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (o+SC1)>>>

He wouldn't have. Nor Harvard.

Posted by: gm at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (4ueYo)

682 Lib Media Ted Cruz Supporters Made Up Story About Trump Campaign Manager Knocking Over Reporter (VIDEO)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf9rq96

Posted by: ahem at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (lKGzI)

Bull... there were witnesses.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (NPofj)

683 America isn't center-right any longer. Its center-left and tilting. That could be reversed, because most of the country is pretty much an unthinking follower on culture and politics, but it would take a significant shift in the pop culture, entertainment, and political spheres. And to make it stick: education, because too many people are still so stupid they send their kids to public schools to get indoctrinated.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (39g3+)

684 phoenixgirl, exactly, thanks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (ntObR)

685
Why is Trump so lacking in knowledge about his signature issue?





Posted by Ace at 04:51 PM


Maybe because he's running for President, and he doesn't feel the need to be a policy wonk like you think he should?


Really, this is no criticism, but some of you think like lawyers. You think you're supposed to dig into the intricate details because you fear there is a weak point somewhere in there that can be exploited by your opponents.


Others, like Don Trump, think like managers. Which is to say, they express a desire, or a position on something, and then they HIRE LAWYERS AND OTHERS to dig into the boring fine print they aren't too keen on reading themselves.


I am also passionately anti-illegal mexican. Just like Don Trump. I never read those guys either, and frankly I when I see H1b or whatever, I think we're talking about hepatitis vaccines.


Yes Ace, Don Trump doesn't do things the way you want. If that means you can't support him, so be it. But it doesn't mean the way he's doing it is wrong.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 06:59 PM (TOk1P)

686 What would your mother think, Dack, if she heard you say that out loud in her presence.


Mom Card Status:

[ ] Not Played
[X] PLAYED

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 10, 2016 07:00 PM (8ZskC)

687 Maybe it's just me, but it seems IMHO that the team Andrew Breitbart left his web kingdom to... have turned out to have been the wrong people, unfortunately.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:00 PM (ntObR)

688 I just hope Michelle does not attend the funeral wearing one of her belts. The scowl though will probably be there.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 10, 2016 07:00 PM (lJ46T)

689 Lewandowski might be the innocent party. Read this piece, if you
haven't already seen it. Full disclosure, it was linked at
Lewandowski's twitter page.
---
Huh. It's almost like there's a reason for the 24-hour (or 48, whatever) rule

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 10, 2016 07:00 PM (ZbV+0)

690

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 07:00 PM (oVJmc)

691
obamas approval ratings are at a 3 year high? WTF? We are so screwed...
Posted by: donna

I think that just reflects the fact that he hasn't been in the news much.
Posted by: IrishEi


Wishful thinking. I think it shows that we are indeed no longer a center-right country.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 10, 2016 07:00 PM (FkBIv)

692 obamas approval ratings are at a 3 year high? WTF?

The less he's in the news, the more people claim to like him. People like the idea of Obama more than the guy, and when he's in the news, they remember what a radical, condescending, arrogant jackwagon he really is.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:50 PM (39g3+)


Plus, if you say something, you end up like Ditka.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 07:01 PM (qCMvj)

693 One more Romney speech. That should finish Trump.

LOL. One more Romney speech and the next morning, Trump will wake up with superpowers.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:01 PM (ntObR)

694 Lib Media Ted Cruz Supporters Made Up Story About Trump Campaign Manager Knocking Over Reporter (VIDEO)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf9rq96



If this is true, I expect an apology and retraction from ace.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 07:01 PM (uURQL)

695 Geller was offended by Trump saying she shouldn't be out trying to offend Muslims. She was right, Trump was wrong, but I think now she she change, and Trump may have changed.

The "Game" is very complex ... and Trump and Geller are on the same side really, as I see it. I follow few on Twitter, and follow them both. Geller hopefully doesn't tie herself to tightly to Cruz. Trump just came out stronger against the Islam more broadly (they seem to really hate US) than Cruz ever has. Geller Trump need to share a plane ride.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 07:02 PM (eUbDe)

696 I've missed it here all week, but I have eye infection & drops for it make eyes burn.
Today is last day with eye drops, or it's supposed to be.

Have good night.

Posted by: Carol at March 10, 2016 07:02 PM (sj3Ax)

697 Ben Carson to endorse trump tomorrow am.



Thanks Ben, you're so conservative. Campaign was publicity tour for his book.



Posted by: Carol at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (sj3Ax)


The closer we get to Trump's nomination... and he IS going to be nominated, the more there are going to be people endorsing him. Once upon a time the Republican Party thought that was a good thing, rallying around their candidate.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:02 PM (TOk1P)

698 >>I just hope Michelle does not attend the funeral wearing one of her belts. The scowl though will probably be there.
Posted by: Anna Puma

The question is which room in the White House will be missing its drapes.

Posted by: Aviator at March 10, 2016 07:02 PM (c7vUv)

699 Got News piece had a ton of really good questions but no answers. 24 rule should apply however

Still grossed out by the number of people who didn't give a shit if it were true

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)

700 Maybe because he's running for President, and he doesn't feel the need to be a policy wonk like you think he should?

It is kind of his job to know the stuff he's running on. I mean, maybe he can get away with not knowing a damn thing about it but he's supposed to. Hard to actually govern or even delegate if you don't have the first clue about what you're saying.

the team Andrew Breitbart left his web kingdom to... have turned out to have been the wrong people, unfortunately.

I think his sudden death left a power struggle and the most ruthless, power hungry, and skilled at office politics took over.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 07:03 PM (39g3+)

701 Bull... there were witnesses.
---
And a narrative to promote.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 10, 2016 07:03 PM (ZbV+0)

702 I gather this is the crux of it:

On the other hand, you can see a guy who's entire life is devoted to
persuading people to get into business with him. A salesman, trying to
make a sale. And you can start to see that the salesman really has no
interest in his actual product, and no real intent to abide by the terms
of the contract. A salesman who is just willing to say whatever he
needs you to say to sign the dotted line -- and who will decide on a
case-by-case basis whether or not to abide by those contract terms,
should they become inconvenient later.


Don't know how much you've been involved in business, but you have a successful blog that relies on having co-bloggers who are highly competent, and who trust you to do what you've said you'll do. It's an essential element of business, and you cannot succeed without a reputation for integrity in observing contractual obligations - not to mention having a concern for the quality of your product.

Trump has had some losing products, but I doubt you can really say it's because he just ignored them once he invested in them. Sometimes the market plan just doesn't go as you thought it would. Supply and demand gets mis-estimated, for example. The most successful of people have failures from which they have learned.

But - by and large - Trump has been pretty (maybe even highly) successful. In my experience that wouldn't have happened unless he was a guy with principles and integrity. Of course, that's me; but I have been around a while and have seen the Clintons and Obamas who have none of either.

Don't know if you saw the Fox Town Halls last night, but I watched the Cruz and Trump segments. Cruz comes across (to me, at least) as almost as robotic as Marco; Trump, on the other hand, is - as you say - a salesman. But he's a good one, and good ones often speak with integrity. He looks and sounds like it anyway.

Listening to Cruz, frankly, makes my skin crawl. He does not impress me as having integrity.

All that said, I will be very pleased to see Trump win it; he will demolish Hillary, who is tremendously vulnerable - and highly unlikable. Only the free-loaders will vote for (granted, that will keep it respectably close). But I'll settle for Cruz, if I must.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at March 10, 2016 07:03 PM (aeVIR)

703 All aboard the Rubio train!

Posted by: MSNNBC at March 10, 2016 07:03 PM (7wyDO)

704
In any event, I'll vote my principles and go to my God like a freeman.
Posted by: Weirddave at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (N8hFs)

Amen to that. I have no problem writing in a candidate come November. It's going to be fun to watch the 35% of the base trying to persuade the other 65% to vote Trump. You know Trump will not help them make the case either. After he had his press conference with his fake steaks, magazines etc. you know he doesn't have the discipline or temperament to unify the party. The only thing he cares about are perceived slights and himself. I'm ready for the begging and pleading to begin once they figure out a plurality can't possibly muster a majority to win.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 10, 2016 07:03 PM (I3+56)

705 >>>Wishful thinking. I think it shows that we are indeed no longer a center-right country.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 10, 2016 07:00 PM (FkBIv)>>>

A generation plus of kids have been indoctrinated by teachers trained by and with materials developed by William Ayers and his ilk. Not surprising.

Posted by: gm at March 10, 2016 07:04 PM (4ueYo)

706 Christopher, correctamundo.

And IMHO the people running Breitbart don't want to actually defeat anyone like Andrew did. They just want to enrich themselves playing The Partisan Game endlessly, like too much of the rest of the GOPe.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:04 PM (ntObR)

707 Plus, if you say something, you end up like Ditka.

Yeah ESPN where you can bash Bush all day long but if you criticize a Democrat, yer outta there. No wonder they're hemorrhaging viewers

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 07:04 PM (39g3+)

708 If you read the Got News column,mhen boyfriend is a Rubio shill, not Cruz

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (zOTsN)

709 I may have been suckered by Fields.


I exercise caution in believing the GotNews guy.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (oVJmc)

710 "---I agree about Cruz. What I suspect is that you're not remotely representative of the American voter when it comes to Trump's likeability."

You are probably correct.

Maybe I find him to be funny? Interesting?

It does help to be in on the joke and not take him seriously.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (UBBWX)

711 682 Lib Media Ted Cruz Supporters Made Up Story About Trump Campaign Manager Knocking Over Reporter (VIDEO)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf9rq96
Posted by: ahem at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (lKGzI)

Bull... there were witnesses.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (NPofj)


I no longer link Gateway Pundit because too often the claims in a post title are in no way backed up in the actual post (and occasionally are even contradicted by it). This post just reconfirms my decision.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (pAlYe)

712 I voted for Cruz Super Tuesday and he is the candidate most aligned with my own political views.

However I am not anti Trump because eff the establishment. The let it burn crowd doesn't care about Trump's positions because they don't matter.

The GOP is going to rupture and it will happen one way or another. If we elect Cruz but the establishment brings him to heel? The party is done.

Brokered convention putting some RINO that received not one or a very small minority of votes in the primary? Done.

At least with Trump it will be entertaining.

Posted by: blaster at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (8pU1e)

713
A reporter got shoved. Who fricking cares? And she cried lol

really,the wimp should grow a pair

Posted by: lara logan at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (lKyWE)

714 I may be wrong, but I don't see Carson voters voting for Trump. Two polar opposites personality wise.

Posted by: Tami at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (v0/PR)

715 Still grossed out by the number of people who didn't give a shit if it were true
Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)


BS detector pushback.

ace was riding it pretty hard, and there was a crowd-push "APOLOGIZE and RESIGN!"

But still, let's see what comes. Time is on truth's side.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (uURQL)

716 Lib Media Ted Cruz Supporters Made Up Story About Trump Campaign Manager Knocking Over Reporter (VIDEO)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf9rq96





If this is true, I expect an apology and retraction from ace.

.....

Title: It didn't happen.
Body: We had a reporter there and he didn't see it happening. There's also this 4 seconds video of the same event.

Posted by: Alabi at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (89I+i)

717 If this is true, I expect an apology and retraction from ace.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 07:01 PM~~~~~
It's bullshit. There's a recording of the incident and a transcript if you read Ace's links. Breitbart and this particular reporter support Trump, and they are not exactly "lib media."

Posted by: IrishEi at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (E6RIJ)

718 Lewandowski might be the innocent party. Read this piece, if you
haven't already seen it. Full disclosure, it was linked at
Lewandowski's twitter page.
---

interesting. not all that surprising.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 10, 2016 07:06 PM (Cq0oW)

719 Victimization combined with having a Cause
->
makes that person a would be Leni Reifenstahl wearing a Green Helmet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 10, 2016 07:06 PM (lJ46T)

720 This reminds me of a comic series called 'Transmetropolitan,' which was sort of Hunter S. Thompson in a cyberpunk setting. He devotes a lot of effort to attacking and tormenting a Nixonian President up for re-election. Then he has some direct contact with the opposing candidate and then some face time with the President.

He comes out of this with the shocked realization that the guy he'd devoted so much effort to hating actually cares about stuff, even if it isn't the same stuff as the outlaw journalist. The other guy cares about only one thing: power, with the side benefit of self-aggrandizement.

I just don't get the feeling that Trump especially cares about any of the issues. Trump cares about putting his name on something new, which is a very small category of things.

Posted by: Epobirs at March 10, 2016 07:07 PM (IdCqF)

721 Ben Carson to endorse trump tomorrow am.



Thanks Ben, you're so conservative. Campaign was publicity tour for his book.



Posted by: Carol at March 10, 2016 06:58 PM (sj3Ax)


Maybe he will and maybe he won't... If he does under the premise that Trump is capable of being presidential, he will be as disappointed as Sessions is now that Trump has repudiated Sessions' immigration plan.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:07 PM (NPofj)

722 >>>Listening to Cruz, frankly, makes my skin crawl. He does not impress me as having integrity.


The audacity of someone pointing out faults of other people when one supports a man with a history narcissism, who is self centered and egotistical is very rich. Maybe you should invest in one of those fabulous Trump Mirrors. Seriously, this is a Very Smart Military Blog not Trumpbart.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 10, 2016 07:08 PM (I3+56)

723 Epobirs, I've wondered how much of Thompson's hate for Nixon was real versus how much was marketing.

I mean, near the end of his life HST said he would prefer Nixon to GWB.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:08 PM (ntObR)

724 667

Not at all. I make no excuses for trump and his lack of policy knowledge. He needs to get with it. However, these are the clintons and my opinion is that trump is the best to take them on. He is unpredictable and will get just as vicious as they will be. Cruz's strength is the debate but it will not matter as much this year. It will be want we want to hear but Cruz will not convert middle road voters with great speeches on constitutionalism. Maybe trump is weak on his taxes, etc but Cruz is set to get eviscerated out of the gate on abortion, gay marriage and healthcare. To compensate for that, what other demo can he reach out to and bring in????

Whether we like it or not trump plays to a larger field and I think that will be the only chance to pull it off this year.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 07:08 PM (WnCSK)

725 Got News guy has his own issues. Still good questions however

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 07:08 PM (zOTsN)

726 People who still believe Trump has integrity:

He personally said he would hand pick the professors for his university bearing his name.

He did not, and could not name a single one.

How is that integrity?

Its his usual routine promise the moon, promise to hire the best, promise to name a team, but never deliver.

You know he promised to release his taxes.

I want to see those - if he full of it, let's know now.

Do you think Team Hillary won't badger relentlessly about this? Obama will leak them if he get's close.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 07:09 PM (UBBWX)

727 "obamas approval ratings are at a 3 year high? WTF? We are so screwed...
"

without news on Obama sticking a knife in the back of Free America, 52% revert to White Guilt, yes "we love the black man when he is quiet and smiling" mode.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 07:09 PM (eUbDe)

728 The Wearing of the Drapes?

Carol Burnett did a better job than Michelle and her couch covers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 10, 2016 07:09 PM (lJ46T)

729
Still grossed out by the number of people who didn't give a shit if it were true

Posted by: ThunderB




Need some help moving those goal posts?

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 07:09 PM (9yW+Y)

730 Also and I know what the polls say, I do not in my heart of hearts think Cruz can beat Hillary.

I can't think of a single state that voted for Obama that Cruz can flip. And I don't think he is nasty enough (despite what Trump says about him) to go for Hillarys throat.

Trump will and we have already seen her back away from the propeller.

Posted by: blaster at March 10, 2016 07:09 PM (8pU1e)

731 "I will vote for Cruz in the CA primary. I recently registered Republican specifially to do that."

I just did the same.

Trump voters will tell you all of these "new Republicans" are for Trump.

Nah, not really.

That said, Trump v. Hillary would be a hard choice.

Gary Johnson seems like the solution.

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 07:10 PM (UBBWX)

732
Bull... there were witnesses.
Posted by: redbanzai


There were witnesses in Ferguson.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 10, 2016 07:10 PM (FkBIv)

733 At PuffHo, Norman Lear, of all people, also wrote an IMHO really nice tribute to Nancy Reagan. He says they were actually good friends.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:10 PM (ntObR)

734 Maybe because he's running for President, and he doesn't feel the need to be a policy wonk like you think he should?


-------------------------------------
It is kind of his job to know the stuff he's running on. I mean,
maybe he can get away with not knowing a damn thing about it but he's
supposed to. Hard to actually govern or even delegate if you don't have
the first clue about what you're saying.



the team Andrew Breitbart left his web kingdom to... have turned out to have been the wrong people, unfortunately.



I think his sudden death left a power struggle and the most ruthless, power hungry, and skilled at office politics took over.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 07:03 PM (39g3+)

I think there is a bit of a myth surrounding business people, and how they operate. There are plenty of self-made men out there who built stuff from the ground up, but most companies that run well don't need the CEO to know how to perform all the tasks in their operation.


If running for President were less of a popularity contest, we could stop pretending we need them to know all this stuff, but we're not going to do that. It's part of the game.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:10 PM (TOk1P)

735 Ace has nothing to do with this story, saw it somewhere before I saw it here.

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (fizMZ)

736
That said, Trump v. Hillary would be a hard choice.

For whom? For you?

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (9yW+Y)

737 no longer link Gateway Pundit because too often the claims in a post title are in no way backed up in the actual post (and occasionally are even contradicted by it). This post just reconfirms my decision.
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (pAlYe)

Wait are they saying a Gateway Pundit reporter who was there didn't see it so it didn't happen? And I also see no mention of Cruz supporters. Wow.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (iLoHX)

738 Aw fiddlesticks. I don't want to read 750 comments. Somebody sum up for me.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (NeFrd)

739 ESPN is one of the reasons I cut the cord.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (sqs5K)

740 Video of the incident is necessary. You can describe something, honestly, more than one way, but seeing is believing. Was the reporter in Trump's personal space, did the guy initially reach out and grab her or just try to bar her way? All of it probably happened in .5 seconds, but it's easy to tell "manhandling" from "escorting elderly/important person from the room and blocking someone who tries to obstruct his way" in real time. Hard to do with blurbs and audio bites.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (2cS/G)

741 Moving goal posts?

Nah. All the holocaust references were awesome.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (zOTsN)

742 " I make no excuses for trump and his lack of policy knowledge. He needs to get with it"

When.

Give me a deadline when you think you'll finely find it unacceptable that he knows every poll number, every show's ratings, but not his own policies.

December 2016 good enough for you?

Posted by: Harun at March 10, 2016 07:12 PM (UBBWX)

743 "a recording of the incident and a transcript if you read Ace's links."

I would just add that in that transcript you can also read the part about all the cameras flashing.

I wonder if someone perhaps is holding on to some footage...security cameras?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 07:12 PM (WnCSK)

744
Aw fiddlesticks. I don't want to read 750 comments. Somebody sum up for me.

Just read mine.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 07:12 PM (9yW+Y)

745 I no longer link Gateway Pundit because too often the claims in a post title are in no way backed up in the actual post (and occasionally are even contradicted by it). This post just reconfirms my decision.
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 10, 2016 07:05 PM (pAlYe)


exactly
you have to be careful with that site
there are some good posts, but then something like this one someone linked, where there are no facts

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 07:13 PM (qCMvj)

746 BurtTC, you have a good point.

I can't stand to watch "Shark Tank" because I think it's ridiculous how much the startups have to suck up to the wealthy entrepreneurs on that show. It's just ridiculous. They're successful businesspeople, yes. They're not gods.

To say nothing of the fact, so many of the people considered super-successful left an astonishing number of failures in their wake on their way to that one billion-dollar idea. Milton Hershey comes to mind.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:13 PM (ntObR)

747 So woman boards an Air France jet in Instanbul with a large carry-on. on board the plane, they find in the carry-on a 1 yr or 2 yr old child.

Yeah, Turkey has some really good security.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 10, 2016 07:13 PM (lJ46T)

748 I don't want to read 750 comments. Somebody sum up for me
--------
Cruz is creepy, Trump is trashy, and we're phucked.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 10, 2016 07:14 PM (NUqwG)

749 Maybe because he's running for President, and he doesn't feel the need to be a policy wonk like you think he should?


Really, this is no criticism, but some of you think like lawyers. You think you're supposed to dig into the intricate details because you fear there is a weak point somewhere in there that can be exploited by your opponents.


Others, like Don Trump, think like managers. Which is to say, they express a desire, or a position on something, and then they HIRE LAWYERS AND OTHERS to dig into the boring fine print they aren't too keen on reading themselves.


I am also passionately anti-illegal mexican. Just like Don Trump. I never read those guys either, and frankly I when I see H1b or whatever, I think we're talking about hepatitis vaccines.


Yes Ace, Don Trump doesn't do things the way you want. If that means you can't support him, so be it. But it doesn't mean the way he's doing it is wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 06:59 PM (TOk1P)

-----------------------

Ah yes, the fabled policy wonk President. Because people are inspired by the excruciating detail of every policy.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 10, 2016 07:14 PM (LXJ1e)

750 Seamus

Trump sucks
No Cruz sucks
No its Trump who sucks
I'm telling you its Cruz who sucks
This is the last time I'm telling you Trump sucks

It's been kinda like that

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 07:14 PM (fizMZ)

751 The fact that Cruz used the "Uninformed voter" (read every fucking Democrat response to a loss) just proves to me that once AGAIN "our betters will keep us in line"

Cruz, go fuck yourself. Everyone I know that is voting for Trump has focused heavily on issues.

Personally I was ALL FOR Cruz until he started in with the eventual righteous religious BS... The GOP has to understand that to get more people under their tent, they can't put up a fucking bible thumper... (see Huckabee..)

SO

All that being said, Do I think Trump is a blowhard that could tone down his insults to class acts like Ben Carson? Absofucking lutely.

HOWEVER

After decades of squishy Democrat-lite BS and straight up Demacrat bullshit with their water being carried by the media, its refreshing to see and hear Trump kick the media right in the fucking balls and laugh after he does it.

A brokered convention will bring revolution. One like the GOP hasn't seen....ever.


Posted by: Triple Twenty at March 10, 2016 07:14 PM (ficNf)

752 So it's being reported that Trump hurled Fields to the ground. How convenient. No woman, especially a reporter has ever been involved in a set-up. All Trump workers directly represent him. They couldn't be bought out. They are intensely loyal and act as he would act in every case. Nothing like this could come up right before a critical vote and it be anything other than mere coincidence. It's not like anybody or any groups are out to get Trump. We should believe all these honest trustworthy media people.

Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 07:14 PM (CRXed)

753 We need a thread on the manifesto from the Cruz pastor shooter.

It's the retarded Idaho sequel to "They Live"

Posted by: wooga at March 10, 2016 07:14 PM (zqqpJ)

754 Video of the incident is necessary. You can describe something, honestly, more than one way, but seeing is believing. Was the reporter in Trump's personal space, did the guy initially reach out and grab her or just try to bar her way? All of it probably happened in .5 seconds, but it's easy to tell "manhandling" from "escorting elderly/important person from the room and blocking someone who tries to obstruct his way" in real time. Hard to do with blurbs and audio bites.

Particularly when a lot of emotional candidate support (all candidates) gets in the way.

The 24-hour-rule should apply, yet people who have seen other 'OMG!!! ELEVENTY!!!!' situations recently not pan out, still go bugfuck.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 10, 2016 07:15 PM (oVJmc)

755
Thread summary:

Ace is disillusioned with Trump's illusion. Trump beats women. Cruz is still a Canadian. Second look at Kasick?

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 10, 2016 07:15 PM (9yW+Y)

756 742

How long til you realize Cruz doesn't' stand a chance.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 07:15 PM (WnCSK)

757 Nood

Posted by: Skip at March 10, 2016 07:15 PM (fizMZ)

758 fiddlesticks. I don't want to read 750 comments. Somebody sum up for me.

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300 Baby Jesus crying

....

465 Cruz has a long mustache

...

678 TRUMP

etc

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 10, 2016 07:15 PM (Cq0oW)

759 Look at all the new nics!

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 10, 2016 07:15 PM (bZ7mE)

760 "He's a media savant and he defies public relations gravity. We need that right now. "

He's not playing them, THEY are playing HIM for ad revenue for the nonce and building up an armory of "stupid", "racist", "lying", "greedy" slanders to sling in the general election like they ALWAYS do and it will STICK to Trump and also to US.

Trump don't give a shit. Why should he?

Costs him NOTHING.

Posted by: Deety at March 10, 2016 07:15 PM (xPWMR)

761 I'm almost to the point of not giving a shit anymore. I'm already weary of this election season and it's only March. I will make this admission. I liked Rubio. I really liked him. I think he could have beat Hillary. I can't for the life of me understand what he was thinking with the Gang of 8. Young, good looking, great orator.. he had it all and he blew it. Jesus.. I think this is why I don't care anymore. The one guy I knew could win threw it all away.. for what??? He's so damaged now I don't know that he will ever recover. It makes me very sad.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (CNHr1)

762 Trump's policy is Donald Trump. Period.

He's a pathological egomanic, a demagogue and narcissist who is psychologically unfit to be president.

Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (Ndje9)

763 Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 10, 2016 07:15 PM (Cq0oW)


*****


Thanks.


Anybody doing prep for a colonoscopy?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (NeFrd)

764 Posted by: Arson Wells at March 10, 2016 07:08 PM

As a rule, but not without exception: Politicians succeed by being dishonest; Businessmen succeed by establishing a reputation for integrity and reliability. Trump may be self-centered and egotistical - but he delivers when he enters into a contract. (He may fail due to other factors, but have not heard about many deals - other than this Trump University BS - where he has been accused of dishonesty.)

I'll settle for your guy, but he doesn't have the experience or knowledge to deliver on the economy (he'll rely on the usual cast of political hacks) - and that's a pretty big deal.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (aeVIR)

765 Bull... there were witnesses.

Posted by: redbanzai



There were witnesses in Ferguson.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 10, 2016 07:10 PM (FkBIv)

So your theory is that a pro-Trump reporter from a pro-Trump news organization is making this story up?

Really?
That is what doesn't pass the smell test.

And, FYI, this is not the first time people have been roughed up at a Trump rally (usually with the encouragement and approval of Trump himself).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (NPofj)

766 http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf9rq96

If this is true, I expect an apology and retraction from ace.....

Title: It didn't happen.
Body: We had a reporter there and he didn't see it happening. There's also this 4 seconds video of the same event.

I don't know, but it seems like agitprop.

As someone that has been taken in by people pretending to be the "face of God", I'd implore Ace (who I read and give a couple bucks to, because I see potential) to not be taken in and "Be Your Own Man". It is not easy to do. Don't yield to the agitprop.

But if you do, keep you options open. friendly advice.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (eUbDe)

767 Still grossed out by the number of people who didn't give a shit if it were true

Yeah, it is naked partisanship at its worst. If this was about, say, a Jeb Bush event or a Sanders event, they'd be all horrified and turn into Mister Protector!

Its best to try to view every situation objectively and dispassionately, focus on what happened not who it hurts or helps.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (39g3+)

768 728 The Wearing of the Drapes?

Carol Burnett did a better job than Michelle and her couch covers.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 10, 2016 07:09 PM (lJ46T)

===============
Bob Mackie designed that costume.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (iQIUe)

769 I'm glad Michelle Obama is going to attend Nancy Reagan's funeral.

I wonder how many muscle relaxers they'll put her on to keep her hate-face from searing through the TV screen.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 06:55 PM (39g3+)

Michelle Obama, "All this for a stupid old first lady".

Posted by: Jen the original at March 10, 2016 07:17 PM (dErES)

770 >>How long til you realize Cruz doesn't' stand a chance.


For me, it will be the day I realize I have one less thing to do on election day in November.

Posted by: Aviator at March 10, 2016 07:17 PM (c7vUv)

771 There's a recording of the incident and a transcript if you read Ace's links. Breitbart and this particular reporter support Trump, and they are not exactly "lib media."


"Recording", meaning ... video?

I've seen a reported transcript, but have found no audio publicly available.

This particular reporter is a woman, has been "beaten by NYPD with batons", was allegedly groped by Allen West ... and now has been allegedly battered by Trump's campaign manager.

Those are rather colorful events for a reporter. Lots of reporters don't get that level of excitement in their jobs.


More importantly, the link has a named person going on the record as a witness that nothing happened. So now the situation has devolved to "he said, she said", with a strong SJW-esque push to, "Just apologize already!" - to surrender the issue when the facts are still contested.

Truth matters.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 07:17 PM (uURQL)

772 All that fun chat about SMOD and when its finally here all you lard ass metrosekshuls go all maudlin. Burn slower.

Posted by: eff yo chattrn class at March 10, 2016 07:17 PM (JzBEE)

773 istening to Cruz, frankly, makes my skin crawl

I would vote for a clown who was covered in brown recluse spiders before pulling the lever Hillary. That's how much I care about a candidate who "makes my skin crawl".

All I care about is a candidate's specific policy positions (it certainly helps if, like Cruz, one has read them), plus his record.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 10, 2016 07:17 PM (6FqZa)

774 Personally I was ALL FOR Cruz until he started in with the eventual righteous religious BS...

And... You just proved you are a low information voter. Tell me, can you differentiate Cruz from Santorum Or are they all theocratic Jesus freaks in your mind?

Posted by: wooga at March 10, 2016 07:17 PM (zqqpJ)

775 Why I am a Cruz supporter

1. He has always been a strong defender of the 2nd amendment. He argued and won a significant 2nd amendment case before the S

2. He stands by his principles even if they are unpopular. The Iowa corn subsidies are just one example.

3. He has always been pro life.

4. He is for a flat tax.

5. He has argued from the beginning just how bad Obamacare would be. He has offered up alternatives.

6. Even before he became Senator he was strong on his position of enforcing the laws we have in place on illegal immigration.

7. He is very smart but still willing to listen to counsel. I know this 2nd hand from being a Texan .

8. Superficial but I like anyone on a personal level that can quote large snippets from movies. Especially comedies.

Reasons why I am not a Trump supporter.

1. He has recently become pro life after years of being a very strong defender of pro-choice including partial birth abortion.

2. He has in the past strongly supported the AWB and stronger and longer waiting periods. He had supported denying right to firearms for those on the no fly list before he reversed that position after negative feedback.

3. He is a strong supporter of the Kelo decision.

4. He is for a universal healthcare system where the government pays the cost.

5. He has donated to non NY liberals including Harry Reid and Rahm Emmanuel.

6. He had advocated for the impeachment of GWB and praised Nancy Pelosi for her courage to even discuss it.

7. He stated and took position that Romney's plan for self deportation was malicious.

8. I have about ten more but tired of typing on iPhone on a dead thread.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 10, 2016 07:17 PM (MNgU2)

776 sum up:

i'm voting for trump
i'm voting for cruz
i'm staying home if my person isn't the nominee
i'm voting 3rd party if my person isn't the nominee
trump steaks
penguin story
chuckles
red headed cj
a bible verse
we're f'd

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 07:18 PM (0O7c5)

777

Anybody doing prep for a colonoscopy?

===

nope nobody gives a poo

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 10, 2016 07:18 PM (Cq0oW)

778 316 No one gives a fuck about the "Press." The approval polls of your profession

Ace is "the press"?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2016 05:48 PM (w4NZ

***

Not sure if you were joking, but it's how he earns his living, amigo. For better or worse.

What's Sad! is he's one of the better ones.

#AlwaysTrump

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 07:19 PM (/dGwh)

779 I don't know... people who are not utter dicks?

My
sons were taught that as long as they are alive, it will be their job
to look after those who are smaller and weaker than themselves. They
were told that I would be ashamed of them if they left someone to be
bullied or abused when they could have done something about it. I told
them that, regardless of what their schools said, they always had he
right to physically defend themselves and others who could not defend
themselves.

What would your mother think, Dack, if she heard you say that out loud in her presence.


Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 06:57 PM (NPofj)

I better scream it cuz she's dead Yeah I don't give a fuck. They're harping on it to emotionally appeal to men specifically. It's a little trick they use all the time because they're so stuffed full of bullshit they've got nothing else. It's in the same playbook as "If just one person..." and "It's for the children".
My desire to play Sir White McKnight died when the "we just want the same opportunities as men!" crowd shoved their way through the door and immediately pissed and moaned about how hard shit is and oh guess what let's dumb everything down because otherwise 99.5% of us will be utter fucking failures.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 10, 2016 07:19 PM (4ErVI)

780 The one guy I knew could win threw it all away.. for what??? He's so damaged now I don't know that he will ever recover. It makes me very sad.

I think Rubio jumped in too early, he should have waited, but I think the GOp saw how godawful the Dem choices were and said "heck, I can win this!"

If he takes 4-8 years off, gets some seasoning, refutes convincingly his immigration stupidity, and hones his conservatism, I could see him do well later.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 07:19 PM (39g3+)

781 740 Video of the incident is necessary. You can describe something, honestly, more than one way, but seeing is believing. Was the reporter in Trump's personal space, did the guy initially reach out and grab her or just try to bar her way? All of it probably happened in .5 seconds, but it's easy to tell "manhandling" from "escorting elderly/important person from the room and blocking someone who tries to obstruct his way" in real time. Hard to do with blurbs and audio bites.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (2cS/G)

----------------------

It's hard to believe that such a big deal is being made about someone pulling a reporter out of the way when leaving.

Perhaps Trump should take a hint from the Clinton campaign and herd them all behind a rope.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 10, 2016 07:19 PM (LXJ1e)

782 Glenn Beck predicted that this post would happen to exalt our demi-god, The Ted.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 10, 2016 07:19 PM (TFWFz)

783 BurtTC, you have a good point.



I can't stand to watch "Shark Tank" because I think it's ridiculous
how much the startups have to suck up to the wealthy entrepreneurs on
that show. It's just ridiculous. They're successful businesspeople, yes.
They're not gods.



To say nothing of the fact, so many of the people considered
super-successful left an astonishing number of failures in their wake on
their way to that one billion-dollar idea. Milton Hershey comes to
mind.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:13 PM (ntObR)


Milton Hershey... I know nothing of the guy, except I know his name, so I guess I know something. Here's what else I know. If the Hershey company is currently run by a relative, say a great great nephew, Chet Hershey, I bet Chet knows 1/10th about chocolate than his great great uncle did. And Chet might be an excellent manager, with all sorts of success behind his name, without any of the failures.


We can discount that, and say Chet is just there because of his family name, but so what? Success in business does not HAVE to mean you Milton Hershey or Andy Carnegie or any of the other Titans of Industry who bent steel with their bare hands. You can be the guy who takes a successful company, has a good business model, and doesn't f**k it up!


People fault Trump because he inherited stuff. So freakin' what. If you want a genius innovator, elect Algore. He invented the internet, and can recite for you reams of policy from memory.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:20 PM (TOk1P)

784 I thought beck was Ernst Rhom in drag

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 07:20 PM (WnCSK)

785 Thank you for writing this. I too was Trump curious two months ago. But I cannot stomach what is coming out of his mouth and from his campaign. I will never vote for him.

Posted by: Jane at March 10, 2016 07:21 PM (rDidp)

786
because policy wonks have done such a great job for us

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 10, 2016 07:21 PM (lKyWE)

787
Others, like Don Trump, think like managers. Which is to say, they
express a desire, or a position on something, and then they HIRE LAWYERS
AND OTHERS to dig into the boring fine print they aren't too keen on
reading themselves.



Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 06:59 PM (TOk1P)

----

Managers don't express positions out of a whim. They gather the relevant information and data, consider it thoughtfully and thoroughly and finally make a decision about a position.

That's why, unlike Trump, they don't change positions on virtually everything.

Is there a single position that Trump has expressed that wasn't reviewed at a later date?

I guess he's still pro-affirmative action?

Posted by: Alabi at March 10, 2016 07:21 PM (89I+i)

788 Personally I was ALL FOR Cruz until he started in with the eventual righteous religious BS...

Then you became very concerned? Yes, we know.

Michelle Obama, "All this for a stupid old first lady".

She hates white people. Seething, visceral hatred. You can almost hear the sizzling sound when she's near one. And the Reagans she hates even more. She'll be there but she's going to hate, hate, hate. Its sad, really, harboring all that in her soul.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 10, 2016 07:21 PM (39g3+)

789 Joe Hallenbeck, well stated.

I have an FB friend who's the exact opposite, he loves loves loves Trump and I and his friends can't even post something positive about any other GOP candidates without him showing up and throwing shit around. I feel like I may as well be friends there with a flaming leftist, he's so obnoxious about his position.

If I posted what you just did at FB, the guy would show up in my timeline and literally post a bunch of insults and that I'm just another loser who hates America. Geez, forget it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:22 PM (ntObR)

790 ...I don't think he wanted to do this -- I think he wants Trump to succeed...

Telepathy or omniscient? :-)

What is he selling? How does attacking Trump work out for him?

Tim Russert sold out Scooter Libby but we don't know why. Did someone break Russert's leg like Reid got rubber banded?

Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 07:22 PM (CRXed)

791 Love all the friendly advice for our host for having the poor judgement to disagree with a random poster on a thread

Not condescending at all. Not like Ace might actually know the people involved. Nope. You know better

Posted by: ThunderB at March 10, 2016 07:22 PM (zOTsN)

792 Trump's policy is Donald Trump. Period.



He's a pathological egomanic, a demagogue and narcissist who is psychologically unfit to be president.

Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at March 10, 2016 07:16 PM (Ndje9)


No he's not, YOU are!

Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:22 PM (TOk1P)

793 Posted by: johnny at March 10, 2016 05:47 PM (oMdtQ)

***

Excellent post.

#AlwaysTrump

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 07:23 PM (/dGwh)

794 I know Trump is a loose cannon, and electing him would be a crapshoot.

But I am having increasing doubts that Cruz is what he appears to be. See this article linked at Drudge:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/10/ted-cruz-a-bush-by-another-name/

If Cruz is really that close to the Bush family, I want no part of him.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2016 07:23 PM (sdi6R)

795 If I posted what you just did at FB, the guy would
show up in my timeline and literally post a bunch of insults and that
I'm just another loser who hates America. Geez, forget it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:22 PM (ntObR)
post it!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 10, 2016 07:23 PM (0O7c5)

796 there are some good posts, but then something like this one someone linked, where there are no facts
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 10, 2016 07:13 PM (qCMvj)



These are factual assertions from the article. Which one is false?

"Michelle Fields is NOT a Trump supporter.

** We never reported on these accusations because we had a reporter in the room filming the entire event and he said he did not witness the alleged incident.

** There were liberal mainstream reporters all over the room and not one has produced a photo or video of the alleged incident."

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (uURQL)

797 663
Lib Media Ted Cruz Supporters Made Up Story About Trump Campaign Manager Knocking Over Reporter (VIDEO)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hf9rq96

Posted by: ahem at March 10, 2016 06:56 PM (lKGzI)

Made it up?So why did the guy admit to doing it? Is that some kind of 6th dimension chess shit?You really think that the "Lib Media" WANT Cruz?


Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (aRUb8)

798 Is there a single position that Trump has expressed that wasn't reviewed at a later date?

Posted by: Alabi at March 10, 2016 07:21 PM (89I+i)



Yes

Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (TOk1P)

799 BurtTC, I think Hershey is today a public corporation.

And, I remember reading years ago that Milt filed for bankruptcy something like five times before finally hitting on Lancaster caramels around 1890, which provided the seed money for Hershey to start up his chocolate company around 1901.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (ntObR)

800 I voted for Cruz in the SC primary...if Trump is
nominated I'll hold my nose and vote for him...hey, I had my doubts
about Reagan in 1980.


Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2016 05:16 PM (j7iSn)


Reagan never treated people the way Trump does. Reagan never left his very sick infant great nephew without health insurance over a probate dispute with the infant's father. Reagan never lied to try and get the nomination. Reagan was never sued for defrauding thousand of people out of tens of thousands of dollars each. Reagan never tried to steal a little old lady's property.

In short, whatever your doubts about Reagan, he was a man of good grace and character AND, whether you knew it at the time or not, Reagan had studied and written about conservatism and the proper role of government for decades.

Trump is no Reagan.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:25 PM (NPofj)

801 "So your theory is that a pro-Trump reporter from a pro-Trump news organization is making this story up?" redbanzai

you are virulent anti-trump here constantly. this "reporter" was not pro-trump, and some at Breitbart are anti-Trump. (Flynn? Shapiro?) Look at her history, unless you are paid Cruz agitprop.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 07:25 PM (eUbDe)

802 phoenix, LOL, maybe I will... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:25 PM (ntObR)

803 I'm going to be hard to beat....really hard...

Posted by: Trumpnados very very great 'trust me' huuuge wang at March 10, 2016 07:25 PM (gxIP7)

804 Whoever he is he'd be a damn sight better than any democrat. I can understand not voting in the primary because GOPe protest but Trump is not that so why not vote for him just to keep the hillster out? At that point what do you have to lose?

Posted by: freaked at March 10, 2016 07:26 PM (BO/km)

805 Nood up corgis!

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 07:26 PM (uURQL)

806 I feel very strongly about this:

The Captain Obvious commercial series is a poor, poor excuse for an ad, even as they cancel the 'Most Interesting' Dos Equis ones.

Posted by: goatexchange at March 10, 2016 07:26 PM (Nd4YY)

807 Yes


Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (TOk1P)

Which one other than Trump is fantastic! has not been changed?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:27 PM (NPofj)

808 When I think of Cruz and Rubio...this comes to mind. "Cooperation only lasts as long as the status quo is unchanged." But with Trump he will upset that status quo between the Dems and Repubs....the power changes and the Repubs will have to change...hopefully. Who ever it is, I will NEVER vote for teh Hildabeast!

Posted by: KWDreaming at March 10, 2016 07:27 PM (vvQF4)

809 BurtTC, I think Hershey is today a public corporation.



And, I remember reading years ago that Milt filed for bankruptcy
something like five times before finally hitting on Lancaster caramels
around 1890, which provided the seed money for Hershey to start up his
chocolate company around 1901.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (ntObR)


Yeah, I didn't really think there was a family member running the place now. That's just the type of thing though, that people will fault today's successful business types for: They're not out there building new stuff. All they're doing is not screwing up successful businesses.


Which of course, IS a very different skill set from the guy who fails, then fails again, and still fails another time, and gets back up and tries again.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:28 PM (TOk1P)

810 Googling "Carson endorse" shows items about
endorsing trump for WaPo and ABC News, but searching "Carson endorse
fox" brings up nothing.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (uURQL)


It also lead to an interview he did yesterday at CNN in which he made no such commitment.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:28 PM (NPofj)

811 800
Trump is no Reagan.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:25 PM (NPofj)


That's right, and neither is Cruz.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2016 07:28 PM (sdi6R)

812 Trump is no Reagan is right. Neither is Cruz. If only we could have Cruz everything would be groovy. I am holding out hope.

Posted by: freaked at March 10, 2016 07:28 PM (BO/km)

813 ** There were liberal mainstream reporters all over the room and not one has produced a photo or video of the alleged incident."

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (uURQL)


This happened after the event when people were dispersing, right?

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 07:28 PM (aRUb8)

814 Yes




Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (TOk1P)

Which one other than Trump is fantastic! has not been changed?



Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:27 PM (NPofj)


Indeed. Which.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:29 PM (TOk1P)

815 when he's stomping on King Ghidorah - after that, it's right back to flattening the city.

Nope, in quite a few he just walks off, or melts down.

Posted by: DaveA at March 10, 2016 07:29 PM (DL2i+)

816 190
As I've said, I think Trump supporters and Cruz supporters have a lot in
common, though we differ on some important thing. We both want to beat
the GOPe, we are both a little angry. Many would support both. But
many will not. I will not support (or vote for Trump). Neither man has
locked up the nomination yet. So let's just keep the battle going. We
may have to meet up again some day even if we can't come together this
election. I don't think Ghost and other trump supporters are dumb or
evil - just wrong on Trump and on what Trump can or will do.





Posted by: SH


Compare / contrast.

221

I have nothing in common with Trump supporters.



Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck



Who's the asshole, Joe?

Who's. The. Asshole?

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:29 PM (wC97p)

817 I'm glad Michelle Obama is going to attend Nancy
Reagan's funeral. Call me crazy but IMHO she's a classier person than
her husband anyway. (Not that that's a high bar...)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (ntObR).[i/]

I don't understand the fuss about him not going, personally.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (CNKtx)

818 Will Ted be eating mints again tonight?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (WnCSK)

819
@785

so you'll let a woman who has betrayed our national security and used her position at state to enrich herself take the reins. rather than vote for trump?

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (lKyWE)

820 That's right, and neither is Cruz.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2016 07:28 PM (sdi6R)

Just a point......no one is, unless Zombie Reagan shows up.

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (aRUb8)

821 Problem I have with Cruz is the million dollar loan from Goldman Sachs. Dislike Rubio and Kasich because they are lying weasels. Trump would do stuff. Don't know what. Cruz would likely be Nixon-ed. Rubio or Kasich would continue Obama's destruction. They are front men for mostly the same groups as Obama. If if wasn't for my faith I would be worried. :-)

Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (CRXed)

822 Tammy, yup, same here.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:31 PM (ntObR)

823 oh crap

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 07:31 PM (CNKtx)

824 Trump would do stuff.

That's what scary about him. Good stuff and bad stuff. I have very low expectations.

Posted by: freaked at March 10, 2016 07:32 PM (BO/km)

825 I better scream it cuz she's dead Yeah
I don't give a fuck. They're harping on it to emotionally appeal to men
specifically. It's a little trick they use all the time because they're
so stuffed full of bullshit they've got nothing else. It's in the same
playbook as "If just one person..." and "It's for the children".
My
desire to play Sir White McKnight died when the "we just want the same
opportunities as men!" crowd shoved their way through the door and
immediately pissed and moaned about how hard shit is and oh guess what
let's dumb everything down because otherwise 99.5% of us will be utter
fucking failures.


Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 10, 2016 07:19 PM (4ErVI)

Regardless of what other people are or are not, Dack, YOU are responsible for your good character.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:32 PM (NPofj)

826 818
Will Ted be eating mints again tonight?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (WnCSK)


Maybe. Will Trump be lying and dodging again tonight?...Absolutely!

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 07:32 PM (aRUb8)

827
Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (CRXed)

What is it about that loan that, er, concerns you so?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 07:33 PM (CNKtx)

828 Ted's got a Retsyn addiction. ;-)

No problem, so do I. Wish I could find Certs anywhere outside of having to drive all the way to a Fry's Electronics. Last time I went, I bought an entire box of the things.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:33 PM (ntObR)

829 Trump is no Reagan.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:25 PM (NPofj)



That's right, and neither is Cruz.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2016 07:28 PM (sdi6R)

That is true but at least Cruz tries to be a decent human being.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:33 PM (NPofj)

830 Just a point......no one is, unless Zombie Reagan shows up.
Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (aRUb

Zombie Reagan. Maybe not as eloquent, but he would still be able to eviscerate Hillary! ... and then eats the bits.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 10, 2016 07:34 PM (iHjB5)

831 I voted for Cruz.

I am now at the point of saying "get your sh*t together for the win Ted, or you can watch me push the big red button marked Trump with the rest".

Fcuk conservative purity candidates that lose with 'grace' and 'non-embarrasingly'.




Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:34 PM (wC97p)

832 Shock of shocks, I heard Hillary is also going to Nancy Reagan's funeral.

Better get the black pantsuit ready...

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:35 PM (ntObR)

833 738 Aw fiddlesticks. I don't want to read 750 comments. Somebody sum up for me.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 10, 2016 07:11 PM (NeFrd)

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Well, those guys over there are pissed off at these guys. Those other guys think that far group over by the bar are all assholes. The guys at the bar just flipped everyone off and grabbed their crotches. Someone threw a bottle and, well, it got a bit out of hand. So Doctor, is there a code for having a beer bottle shoved down one's throat? Local hospitals are going to need that code.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 10, 2016 07:35 PM (kTF2Z)

834 I have been struggling with this for some time, and you articulated some of my problems with Trump, Ace, and other posters made good inroads too.<br>

I am just not convinced of his sincerity - I think he is trying to 'win' the job, and he knows the grassroots are just sick and fucking tired of the PC shit around illegal immigration, the pandering, the sense of loss of identity as America, the insults, ('jobs Americans won't do'), that some companies now actively pursue bilingual speakers and exclude those who don't speak Spanish. That is an untapped pool of anger and Trump is shrewd, and I think he has seen that.<br>

I can't stand the way he treats people. Megyn Kelly was maybe a little sharp, but you are going to be PRESIDENT ffs... don't be a baby and try to cry about respect and then use cheap insults against people. I feel like he's scooping too much from the lowest common denominator barrel, and it sickens me. This is what we've come to? The quiet backstabbing of principles by party leadership was bad enough... the 'tut tut, shut up' attitude when we bitched about immigration or lightbulbs or investigations, but the antagonism, the lack of civility... if Trump is to be President he forgot that some of those he is destined to govern over are the people sharing the stage with him and their supporters.<br>

I'm not saying be a kiss ass - I am pretty raw in what I say, quite direct - but there is seldom a good reason to be as overtly hostile, puerile or cheap as Trump has been sometimes. Talking about hands and penises? Seriously? We're a fucking joke now. Moderate and liberal friends ask if I will vote for Trump if he gets the nod and I say I guess so, if I can find a big enough clothespin for my nose to tamp down on the smell. Yeah, I am embarrassed, because of the fucking absurd theatre an important position has been reduced to. There's nothing clever about half the put downs Trump uses - they are juvenile, and show a decided lack of intelligence and an overabundance of belligerence. And then on top of it, he praises Putin! He FUCKING PRAISES PUTIN! A man implicated in the deaths of dissidents and people who speak against the Russian government! <br>

I didn't really like much of the field to begin with. It's clear our farm team sucks, has been too infiltrated and inculcated into the ways of soft liberalism, and now we are stuck with the kids from the back row. I mean Cruz on illegal immigration has been better than most, but he doesn't seem to have the appeal to win it, and I don't like his uber-religious bit. I am so fucking worried about debt, the economy, social programmes and a tonne of other shit that threatens everyone, that religious talk is at the bottom of my fucking list.. Rubio was a joke, (I now bitterly remember the glowing NRO article from years ago when he started gaining prominence), and Kasich? I think he's a decent person, but he doesn't get my political nipples erect... something is missing a bit. <br>

So from where I'm sitting, we're facing Trump versus either a loud socialist or a less overt socialist who clearly jeopardized American lives and safety. Not a great position, as far as I am concerned, and just about every moderate or liberal who leans towards fiscal conservatism dislikes Trump and doesn't trust him so I fear we will get a fucking trouncing, and then it's another big step towards the long adieu of the country I fucking love. It's a shit sandwich with shit mayo no matter how I look at it.





Posted by: Linlithgow at March 10, 2016 07:35 PM (Gim9y)

835 Cruz tries to be a decent human being.

I repeat:

At times like these, I honestly wonder if people understand what a politician is.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:36 PM (wC97p)

836 Problem I have with Cruz is the million dollar loan
from Goldman Sachs. Dislike Rubio and Kasich because they are lying
weasels. Trump would do stuff. Don't know what. Cruz would likely be
Nixon-ed. Rubio or Kasich would continue Obama's destruction. They are
front men for mostly the same groups as Obama. If if wasn't for my faith
I would be worried. :-)





Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (CRXed)

Please analyze all the loans Trump has ever taken from banks... and while you are at it, please account for the millions of dollars that were supposedly raised for veterans when Trump was tantruming instead of being at the debate with the other candidates.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:36 PM (NPofj)

837 Linlithgow, all good points. Your post reminds me of James Lileks' recent piece explaning why he could never ever vote for the Donald.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:37 PM (ntObR)

838 821
Problem I have with Cruz is the million dollar loan from Goldman Sachs.





Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 07:30 PM (CRXed)



Whats the problem with that?? He put up his money and collateral and borrowed money. Then he paid it back with interest. Whats the problem? Would it be better if he would have lied about it, stuck others with his financial responsibilities thru bankruptcy and waddled away with that idiotic smirk that he seems so fond of?Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 07:37 PM (aRUb8)

839 If Zombie Mao, promising bread lines and BRAAAAINS, were running against Trump I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump.

Not because I want Zombie Mao but Trump has successfully convinced me that he should never be President. I was Trump curious. He's repeatedly convinced me not to vote for him.

Posted by: Damiano at March 10, 2016 07:38 PM (XItbt)

840
"So your theory is that a pro-Trump reporter from a pro-Trump news organization is making this story up?" redbanzai

you
are virulent anti-trump here constantly. this "reporter" was not
pro-trump, and some at Breitbart are anti-Trump. (Flynn? Shapiro?) Look
at her history, unless you are paid Cruz agitprop.


Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 07:25 PM (eUbDe)

Breitbart has been pretty exclusively pro-Trump for a while. And Nolte, the guy who wrote the article that Ace linked too, loves him some Trump.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:38 PM (NPofj)

841 See, broseidon, under less brutal circumstances I would probably agree. More: I would say Donald Trump has quite a few flaws. His lack of public sophistication, his ambiguity on policy, his cruel streak. These are not good things! He does have Reagan's communication skills, though, and he can wow a crowd. Maybe even better than Reagan could. Against a man armed with Reagan's principles and half his skills... Cruz never had a chance

But you are right on our difference. I believe Congress is degenerate, beyond hope of salvage, and that makes constitutional government into a bad comedy. Trusting in a benevolent Emperor to fix that is not optimal, but better than a fight Cruz is certain to lose. I think that if Ted Cruz believed otherwise, he would not have called the omnibus bill out as betrayal.

However... I think Cruz is establishment because of the support he gets at Redstate, NR, etc. Where we pat company is thinking that the establiment hates Cruz. Rubii is vain and stupid, and Singer wants a return on his sunk costs. And Kasich...

I believe as Ace does. I think Kasich is trying to throw things to Trump. But I happen to welcome that.

Posted by: trev006 at March 10, 2016 07:39 PM (4L1jG)

842
I voted for Cruz.

I am now at the point of saying "get your sh*t
together for the win Ted, or you can watch me push the big red button
marked Trump with the rest".

Fcuk conservative purity candidates that lose with 'grace' and 'non-embarrasingly'.






Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:34 PM (wC97p)

I am not sure I'd believe you even if you showed me a marked ballot.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:39 PM (NPofj)

843 Laugh at the LIVs all you want.

You can't beat Hillary without them.

Cruz. can't. win.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:40 PM (wC97p)

844 Ace. Thanks for laying it all out there and how you're seeing things. All good. May the best man win and hopefully Hillary to jail.

Posted by: Yip at March 10, 2016 07:41 PM (e7T6D)

845 Trump can't win.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 10, 2016 07:41 PM (Y4WlI)

846 The problem with the loan is he conveniently forgot to report it to the FEC.

However, that's not a biggie for me, unlike the almost $20 million he's gotten from the financial industry in PAC support.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 10, 2016 07:41 PM (LXJ1e)

847 >>Shock of shocks, I heard Hillary is also going to Nancy Reagan's funeral.

I heard there was a wake with an open bar.

Posted by: Hillary at March 10, 2016 07:42 PM (c7vUv)

848 ...Not condescending at all. Not like Ace might actually know the people involved. Nope. You know better...

Does Ace like brown noses? :-)

I know lots of people. I work with two who couldn't have treated me better in the work environment. Really decent people. (not joking) One's wife works at a State University. The other's wife is an accountant who makes a living off the tax code.

They love Obama. They love the Democrats. They love their pocketbooks. Just like Iowa loves that alcohol in the gas.

A not-honest-fellow (Trump like) I was forced to work with on several jobs taught me a lot. He told me to watch my mouth around Union Steel workers. That people who appear to be moral and decent will kill you if you threaten their lively hood.

Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 07:44 PM (CRXed)

849 Also and I know what the polls say, I do not in my heart of hearts think Cruz can beat Hillary.



I can't think of a single state that voted for Obama that Cruz can
flip. And I don't think he is nasty enough (despite what Trump says
about him) to go for Hillarys throat.



Trump will and we have already seen her back away from the propeller.

That would be a valid argument if Cruz was running against Obama. He isn't. He's running against the worst Democratic candidate in decades.

Hillary has no chance of getting Obama's numbers. Zero. Not the base appeal for big turnout, or moderate support. Basically nobody actually likes her. If Hillary was running in 2012, Romney probably would've swept the swing states. And Romney also under-performed because of the surprisingly effective attacks on his wealth and WARONWOMEN. Biggest hit was that his business dealings at Bain capital looked shady to dumbass financially illiterate LIVs. Also didn't help that a lot of his own base didn't like him.

Dems killed WARONWOMEN with overuse, but Trump is so vulnerable there he could bring it back. He fucks up there like he's been doing combined with the RAAAACCCIIIST cries and the millennial vote--otherwise depressed after Bernie heartbreak--comes out for Hillary in Obama style numbers. That was a big killer for Romney in the swing states.

Trump takes all of Romney's biggest negatives and makes them worse. Romney was the rich asshole candidate? Triple that for Trump. Romney's business deals at Bain? Trump's background is filled with legitimately super-shady deals. That all gets hung around his neck 24/7 by the MSM. You think he's immune to the media attacks? He isn't. That's a dumb myth among Trump because they think the MSM has been attacking him. But they've actually been boosting him for their Queen to knock down with their 24/7 coverage of "Oh no, don't vote for Trump! He's just too radically conservative!". They know exactly what the does in Republican primaries--they play that card all the time. Same reason we got stuck with O'Donnell and Akin.

What is Trump left with? Democrat support? This happens every freaking cycle. Pundits look at whatever candidate is winning the democrats-who-vote-in-republican-primaries vote and go "Look! Crossover support!". You know what always ends up happening? They vote for the Democrat. Because they're Democrats.

Trump is already getting destroyed in the polls. He sinks even lower once the Clinton-Media attack machine goes for his throat. He has zero chance of beating Hillary. It just won't happen. I wouldn't exactly give Cruz favorable odds in the general, but he CAN beat Hillary. This idea that Trump is somehow the electable one is an insane delusion of Trump supporters, because they can't think of an actual good reason to justify backing Trump over Cruz.


Posted by: JT at March 10, 2016 07:46 PM (CZaQB)

850 I am not sure I'd believe you even if you showed me a marked ballot.

Is my Cruz purity insufficient?

Perhaps I should purge my sins in the Canadian waters of HIS homeland?



Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:46 PM (wC97p)

851 Re: Shark Tank.

The five rich entrepreneurs/investors on the show are there because all have built businesses from the ground up . They suffered losses, etc. They recognize in the pitches being done in front of them the hazards and the point that most of the start ups are at, and whether or not the start up has the ability and business plan in place that will help them succeed, which helps ensure they get their money back at least.

If all someone sees is rich people sitting there letting the little guy beg for money, they haven't watched the show much or they haven't a clue about what the individuals have gone through.

All of the "rich" guys and gals tell tales during the show of how they lost money, got screwed, made mistakes, were fired, etc. For example, Herjevic was fired from a job prior to starting his company, which he was offered $5M at one point to sell. He said that sounded like all the money anyone would ever need in life, but his wife talked him out of selling.

Daymond John grew up in the inner city with a single mom. He started his company by sewing hats at his mom's table and selling them on the street corner. He and his mom took out a mortgage on the house they owned together to fund his fledgling company.

Etc. Etc.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 10, 2016 07:46 PM (dErES)

852


Yes


Posted by: BurtTC at March 10, 2016 07:24 PM (TOk1P)

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Like what? I think the only thing he's been consistent is in his support for affirmative action. Anything else?

Posted by: Alabi at March 10, 2016 07:46 PM (89I+i)

853 Trump is no Reagan?

yeah well, Reagan preached many pro America things, which was great. He never ran huge business. He was Hollywood.

Reagan went "conservative" after pushing the GE thing, but remember, "free trade" was great for 30 years after we bombed the competitors out of existence in WW2. By the time I was taking differential equations in the 70's, my instructors spoke Chinese, and Nixon had made our enemy China a most favored nation.

So then the CEO's figured they could become billionaires by buying Congress to allow export of all tech and to hire slave labor. Democrats thought enriching their soul brother commies was a magnificent idea. Reagan kinda/sorta rejected that, but loved his voodoo economics and we started floating our currency and removed all gold standards.

Then the Bushie Globalists regained control, took the fed with easy Al Greenspan, and we have had a bubble economy run up on our dear children's credit cards ever since.

But sure .. vote Cruz as Bush III, he is kinder and gentler with that touch of diversity. Your children will despise you. (end scene)

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 07:47 PM (eUbDe)

854 Except that Drumpf thinks that Planned Parenthood does wonderful things. I guess he means referring women to hospitals and doctors' offices for tests and taking their baby parts for money. Or maybe telling a 15-year-old girl how allowing her boyfriend to tie her up and abuse her can be sexually fulfilling for both of them? Because that incident was one of several recorded....

Posted by: Drumpf the Magnificent at March 10, 2016 07:47 PM (SJ184)

855 Trump is already getting destroyed in the polls.

And yet , he is winning.


Funny that.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:47 PM (wC97p)

856 826

Easy...it was in good jest. I meant no insult to your diety.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 07:47 PM (WnCSK)

857
Hillary has promised to repeal the law that protects firearm manufacturerers and dealers from being sued into oblivion.but by all means stay home and don't vote for trump because he is a loud mouth meany.this is why the left always wins

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 10, 2016 07:47 PM (lKyWE)

858 Jen, fair enough. Also in fairness, the last time I watched it, one of the startup guys *turned down* a shark's money; he thought the terms were too onerous.

I really hope that guy makes it, and makes it big. No one is worth selling your soul to.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:49 PM (ntObR)

859 Don't yell at me.

Yell at Cruz. He is the one losing.


I am simply the messenger.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:49 PM (wC97p)

860 Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:37 PM (ntObR)

Thanks, qdpsteve, appreciate that. Didn't he write something positive about Trump last year for NRO? If you happen to have a link handy to the piece you reference, would appreciate it! Didn't find it when I just searched.

Posted by: Linlithgow at March 10, 2016 07:49 PM (Gim9y)

861 flawless, believe it or not Sanders supports that protection law for firearms manufacturers. Although who knows how deep his conviction is/was on the issue.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:50 PM (ntObR)

862 >>> Problem I have with Cruz is the million dollar loan from Goldman Sachs.
.....

It's a reasonable question.
1. I suggest doing some homework on Cruz's campaign in TX. The national GOP and all the big state guys went after him with everything they had. He faced the full force and wrath of the GOP, kicked them in the nuts, and won.
2. They still outspent him to a ridiculous level. Things were close but he had a really good shot. Option A: give in. Option B: put all your personal assets in hock as collateral and see it through. He chose B.

The issue people seem to have is:
1. OMG Goldman Sachs!!! So what? If he went to the local community bank and got a loan, how would it be different (aside from community banks probably would not have done the loan because they don't do those types of loans)
2. He didn't report the loan. That's patently false. He reported it, just not twice on the redundant form.

Last but not least, if there should be concern about sweetheart, shady bank deals we should be talking about Clinton and Trump. If we're talking about missing paperwork look at Clinton. If you want to talk about fiscal responsibility, we should be talking about why Trump feels that bankruptcy is a valid, productive business model.

Posted by: Damiano at March 10, 2016 07:50 PM (XItbt)

863 I'll ask again because I never get a straight answer. What is the theory of a Cruz victory in the general election? What states will he win and why?



Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 10, 2016 07:51 PM (LXJ1e)

864 Linlithgow, you're welcome. Here's the Lileks piece.

http://www.lileks.com/screed/030116.html

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:51 PM (ntObR)

865 I prefer Cruz, but will be forever and forever grateful to Trump for making illegal immigration a topic none of the other politicians can easily sweep under the rug now.
-------
Of course, if elected, Trump would immediately sweep the issue under the rug, next to his own immigrant laborers.

Fortunately, there's no chance of that.

Unfortunately, there's a good chance President Bernie Sanders will open the borders completely.

Posted by: TallDave at March 10, 2016 07:52 PM (74ZYB)

866 ...May the best man win...

We aren't in this for them. :-)
This isn't an athletic contest.

May the person win that's best for me and mine.
May the person win that helps me be surrounded by healthy, wealthy and happy people who I have a good time with.
May the person win who will automate every job in US since I work in the automation industry. :-)

Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 07:52 PM (CRXed)

867 "I'll ask again because I never get a straight answer. What is the theory of a Cruz victory in the general election? What states will he win and why? "

You never will....you only ever hear about *polls*.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 10, 2016 07:53 PM (WnCSK)

868 Noods. Only one of which stayed... for now.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 10, 2016 07:53 PM (WOyz5)

869 Remember when Cruz was basically silent on Trump, and Paul was laying into him. Well, Paul is like some sort of bad person around here, or something, and not someone to rally around. Well, Ted's calculations may or may not pay off, but if they don't, I'd just like to thank everyone who picked the guy who stayed silent on Trump, and not crazy Rand Paul. Y'all are so wise to demonize the one guy who wanted to really shrink government, and to rally around one of the more phony-seeming and slick politicians I've seen. If y'all get to give Rubio shit for not getting out yet and enabling Trump, don't forget your brave hero who let Trump slide for a long time, until he calculated it would help him. So I guess I'm banned now? Got banned before for much less.

Posted by: sct at March 10, 2016 07:54 PM (3bRDy)

870 866
...May the best man win...

Key word.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:54 PM (wC97p)

871 "And Nolte, the guy who wrote the article that Ace linked too, loves him some Trump." redbanzai

I haven't had time to follow up on that guy ... but things change, people get confused on their allegiances. The link I gave and many others seem to reveal this woman as a scammer that knows how to play the game. Nobody pays me, so I have been using my chainsaw, and boiling down maple sap. I'll get to Nolte's dilemma in due time, maybe. cheers

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 07:57 PM (eUbDe)

872 What is the theory of a Cruz victory in the general election? What states will he win and why?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 10, 2016 07:51 PM (LXJ1e)
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There are more than enough votes the post-3/15 states. to deny Donald even if swept on 3/15. Most polling suggests Trump would lose almost every state to Cruz in a two man race.

I won't even ask by what creative rationalization anyone thinks Trump's embarrassing parade of insanity, stupidity and offensiveness is going to win over the 70% of the electorate who currently don't like him, especially after the media descend into the target-rich environment of his past ripoff schemes, infidelities, and general Trumpish behavior.

Posted by: TallDave at March 10, 2016 07:57 PM (74ZYB)

873
I am not sure I'd believe you even if you showed me a marked ballot.

Is my Cruz purity insufficient?

Perhaps I should purge my sins in the Canadian waters of HIS homeland?





Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:46 PM (wC97p)

Mort... you have nothing good to say about Cruz's character even when you are claiming you voted for him. You have, on the other hand repeated every one of Trump's scurrilous attacks on him. You are not credible when you say you voted for Cruz.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:59 PM (NPofj)

874 It's weird. I am a Texan living in Florida. I began donating to Cruz during his Senate campaign. Voted for Rubio for Senate. Watched Rubio betray me. I began supporting Trump, continued donating to Cruz, Rubio dead to me.

I am not voting in the FL primary.

Told you it was weird.

Posted by: TommyTee at March 10, 2016 07:59 PM (G19+P)

875 >>> yeah well, Reagan preached many pro America things, which was great. He never ran huge business. He was Hollywood.
.....

Go to any source and read Reagan's resume. Then come back and reread your post. Grew up lower middle class. The shortest segment of Reagan's career was acting. Then he was President of SAG, a company about as big as anything Trump ran. He got into politics in 1948. Was governor of CA from 1967- 1975. Barely lost at a contested convention in 76, then spent the next 4 years of Carter laughing his ass off and saying "told ya so" till he got elected in a landslide.

Trump grew up rich. Borrowed money from Dad and made investments that, had he simply put the principle in a money market account and not touched it, would have yielded far more than he's made. Bankrupted several company and wrote off several more that were abysmal failures.

Posted by: Damiano at March 10, 2016 08:01 PM (XItbt)

876 I was Trump curious. He's repeatedly convinced me not to vote for him.

Posted by: Damiano at March 10, 2016 07:38 PM (XItbt)



Same here.

Posted by: Reality...Deal With It at March 10, 2016 08:01 PM (aRUb8)

877 I've come off Trump, largely because of the reasons Ace posits here. I'm not going to forget these assholes at NRO, The Federalist and FOX News though. Those fucking clowns have completely outed themselves as establishment snobs.
I still think Cruz can't win the general, but I'll vote for him or Trump over Hillary, unlike my betters in the Republican party.

Posted by: Awnree at March 10, 2016 08:01 PM (HLYqz)

878 flawless, believe it or not Sanders supports that
protection law for firearms manufacturers. Although who knows how deep
his conviction is/was on the issue.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 07:50 PM (ntObR)

Sanders for all his Bolshevism does truly believe in the 2nd amendment (and in the face of constant attacks from his side on his position).
It is amazing to me that he has such clarity on that amendment but on absolutely nothing else.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 08:01 PM (NPofj)

879 Reagan was the Governor of California for eight years and was solidly conservative for at least 20 years before he became President. Trump is differnt from Reagan.

Re: Globalization: In the 1950s, America dominated the economic market and faced few threats from global competitors.

Not coincidentally, in the 1950s all of America's competitors had been blown to bit or bankrupted by war or were under communist dictatorships. Unless we're planning on bringing those back, expect America to continue to face stiff global competition.

There are some small steps we can take to improve our situation vis-a-vis global trade, but Trump will not bring back the 1950s and (outside of recovering from another World War where everybody but us gets blown to bits) neither will anything else. It sucks to say, but that won't make it any less true.

There is precedent for what happens when you launch a trade war in the middle of an anemic economy, though: Herbert Hoover.

Posted by: AD at March 10, 2016 08:02 PM (QWY55)

880 The only way the mass migration to the US continues is with expansion of medicaid, SNAP, WIC, section 8 and all the other programs to illegal immigrants. Doing this will only work till food shortages start. California has taken out a large amount of food production. More and more food is being shipped into the US. This is a plan. Urbanize the US and bring in produce. That is why you never find out where the E coli came from when there is an outbreak. NWO, GHWB

Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 08:02 PM (CRXed)

881 Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:59 PM (NPofj)

In all fairness, I am highly suspicious of Trump's character, but I'll vote for him in the general if he's the nom.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 08:03 PM (CNKtx)

882 Second look at another World War where everybody but us gets blown to bits?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 08:05 PM (CNKtx)

883 ...Trump will not bring back the 1950s...
True. Russia, China, and EU are doing that. Actually more like 1914.

Posted by: scorecard at March 10, 2016 08:05 PM (CRXed)

884 Tammy, also same here. Great minds think alike!! :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 10, 2016 08:06 PM (ntObR)

885 And yet , he is winning.
Funny that.
Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:47 PM (wC97p)
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No, Trump's currently losing to Not Trump. He has less than half the delegates, and he'll never get the unbound ones.

Because even though he loses head-to-head to every other candidate, with a split field he can win states with 35-40%.

If Trump can get to 60% in the primary, God bless him and let him burn the GOP down -- House, Senate, White House, Supreme Court, heck he might flip a bunch of state legislatures too. Good, they'll deserve it.

But if he can't...

Posted by: TallDave at March 10, 2016 08:06 PM (74ZYB)

886 Don't yell at me.

Yell at Cruz. He is the one losing.


I am simply the messenger.


Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 07:49 PM (wC97p)

Cruz is winning enough for right now... hopefully he is pounding Trump into the ground over Trump's immigration flip-flops.
And when exactly is Trump going to release that "off the record" NYT interview?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 08:07 PM (NPofj)

887 Amen, steve!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 08:07 PM (CNKtx)

888 Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:59 PM (NPofj)



In all fairness, I am highly suspicious of Trump's character, but I'll vote for him in the general if he's the nom.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 08:03 PM (CNKtx)

Understood... not my choice but understood.
You are honest about whom you support where Mort is not.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 08:09 PM (NPofj)

889 I was talking about Cruz with a buddy at a bar tonight and we were trying to figure out, what states, that Romney lost, would Cruz gain in the general?

Is Cruz going to get Michigan or Ohio or Pennsylvania? Florida? I would vote for Cruz if he's the nominee without reservation... I just don't see how in the world he's competitive in the general and I'm NOT knocking him as unelectable, so don't get all mad.

I'm saying I guess in a way, but really... Look at the few states that always seem to be in play and lay out how he gets them. I'm not seeing it. His support is thin and I don't think the GOP can win just voting against Hillary. Folks have to want to vote FOR someone in addition to the folks that are merely voting against.

Posted by: Yip at March 10, 2016 08:11 PM (e7T6D)

890 Because even though he loses head-to-head to every other candidate, with a split field he can win states with 35-40%.



If Trump can get to 60% in the primary, God bless him and let him
burn the GOP down -- House, Senate, White House, Supreme Court, heck he
might flip a bunch of state legislatures too. Good, they'll deserve it.



But if he can't...

Posted by: TallDave at March 10, 2016 08:06 PM (74ZYB)

Math geek that I am, TallDave, I can tell you that Trump on average receives 38.27% of the vote.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 08:11 PM (NPofj)

891 What is the theory of a Cruz victory in the general election? What states will he win and why?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 10, 2016 07:51 PM (LXJ1e)

I don't know but I do know that he consistently beat both Hillary and Bernie while Trump consistently loses to them in virtually every poll. Do I trust polls? I trust them far less than Trump does but the rational seems to play out.

I'd ask the same question about Trump. More specifically, what states does he put in play that any other R does not? Let's deal in reality- NY, NJ, CT, IL, and CA aren't going his way in the general no matter what BS he babbles about. He will absolutely lose his home state to Hillary.

There is absolutely zero evidence to support Trump winning the general election but substantial evidence showing that Cruz can win.

All I ever hear about how Trump expects to win the general is, "He's going to fight and yell and embarrass Hillary and Bill about their past" Really? Name one thing the Clintons have done that Trump has not. Name one period of time where Trump was not supporting them while they did all the stuff that he's supposedly going to be embarrass them about.

Not only is Trump's personal and professional history just as, if not more corrupt as the Clinton's, he has been directly involved with the Clintons in their dealings.

Posted by: Damiano at March 10, 2016 08:13 PM (XItbt)

892 I was talking about Cruz with a buddy at a bar
tonight and we were trying to figure out, what states, that Romney lost,
would Cruz gain in the general?

Is Cruz going to get Michigan or
Ohio or Pennsylvania? Florida? I would vote for Cruz if he's the
nominee without reservation... I just don't see how in the world he's
competitive in the general and I'm NOT knocking him as unelectable, so
don't get all mad.

I'm saying I guess in a way, but really...
Look at the few states that always seem to be in play and lay out how he
gets them. I'm not seeing it. His support is thin and I don't think the
GOP can win just voting against Hillary. Folks have to want to vote FOR
someone in addition to the folks that are merely voting against.


Posted by: Yip at March 10, 2016 08:11 PM (e7T6D)

Yip, I would look to the states whose statehouses turned red over the last few election cycles to see where Cruz is most likely to pick up states.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 08:13 PM (NPofj)

893 Mohammad has some competition for most perfect man ever.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 10, 2016 08:14 PM (T78UI)

894 Personally I am perfectly OK with having the members of the press fearing for their personal safety when they walk into a Trump rally or any Conservative rally for that matter. Reporters have been and are nothing but scum anyway. This in no way means that I am advocating people assault other people, it just means I am not going to shed any tears when it happens to some reporter.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at March 10, 2016 08:15 PM (yh4lQ)

895 Remember when Reagan dodged the draft with fake heel spurs, called Bush a fake war hero, and suggested he would order the military to commit war crimes such as targeting the families of terrorists?

And who can forget that timeless moment when Reagan talked for several minutes about how ugly Geraldine Ferraro's face was and then called James Baker a "p****y"?

I think that was just before The Gipper announced he would be neutral on Israel, that "Islam hates us" and that our Mideast policy would be "take the oil."

And of course we shouldn't forget when Reagan divorced his first two wives amidst serial infidelities and allegations of abuse.

Reagan was relatively unknown early on, and considered too conservative. Then voters got to know him and decided he was a good choice -- spoke reasonably and intelligently on the issues, a gentleman, served his country with honor, a man of good character. Trump is a loony buffoon con-man with so much dirt in his past they'll need a backhoe, and the more general voters see him the more they hate him -- his negatives keep going higher and higher, if anything current polling overstates his support in the general where he will be lucky to break 40%.

Posted by: TallDave at March 10, 2016 08:16 PM (74ZYB)

896 "Why is Trump so lacking in knowledge about his signature issue?"

Yeeesh! How much "Specifics" on the issue does he need to express to satisfy you? He's not an Academic, he's a Producer and will find the best people to achieve the Goal.

Pretty damn simple. Does he need to recite approved talking points to get a gold star?

Posted by: zzBottom at March 10, 2016 08:17 PM (aHUpC)

897 Good points Damiano. Trump has "a chance" in the NE.. but it's just that. I do think that Trump would deny Hillary and the media the easy kill-shots. He's already killed off Hillary's war on women line. He will fight for it and may get beat, but the floor will be bloody.

It would be dirty, but the Donks are always willing to get in the mud and lie and cheat to win. I guess that's why Trump is so distasteful, because he's willing to too... the the GOP has seemingly rather lose on the high road.... as the country drifts ever leftward.

Posted by: Yip at March 10, 2016 08:18 PM (e7T6D)

898 When did the place get over run with Trump cultists?

Posted by: Malachi45 at March 10, 2016 08:19 PM (Y9zAG)

899 Good points Damiano. Trump has "a chance" in the
NE.. but it's just that. I do think that Trump would deny Hillary and
the media the easy kill-shots. He's already killed off Hillary's war on
women line. He will fight for it and may get beat, but the floor will be
bloody.

It would be dirty, but the Donks are always willing to
get in the mud and lie and cheat to win. I guess that's why Trump is so
distasteful, because he's willing to too... the the GOP has seemingly
rather lose on the high road.... as the country drifts ever leftward.


Posted by: Yip at March 10, 2016 08:18 PM (e7T6D)

Trump has no chance in the NE.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 08:20 PM (NPofj)

900 Googling "Carson endorse" shows items about
endorsing trump for WaPo and ABC News, but searching "Carson endorse
fox" brings up nothing.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 10, 2016 06:53 PM (uURQL)


It also lead to an interview he did yesterday at CNN in which he made no such commitment.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 07:28 PM (NPofj)


Supposedly he'll formally endorse Trump tomorrow morning at press conference in Florida.

Posted by: Joanne at March 10, 2016 08:21 PM (hgBpU)

901 Really, that is it? Suppose you preferred Carter, the expert on everything, over Reagan, the man who knew enough to rely on experts. Because that is what you are arguing for.

If you think Cruz or Rubio are experts on anything other than trial lawyering or college debate clubbing, you are flat out wrong. We need someone who understands you need to hire the best and let them make decisions.

Posted by: doug at March 10, 2016 08:22 PM (Y7fRE)

902 redbanzi, I do not think there is a cross-over from State houses and Govenorships turning red and Cruz support. Folks have been voting in GOP in state races since 2008 to try to send a message. Message received EXCEPT in DC.

Don't know. We'll see. I just hope if Trump gets the nod, folks can get on board and vote for a solid GOP Congress to help keep him in check instead of protesting and staying home or going 3rd party.

Posted by: Yip at March 10, 2016 08:22 PM (e7T6D)

903 You burn it down types who are shoving trump up our colons to get your anger rocks off should know that the rest of us can play burn it down as well.

Nominate Trump just to say eff you to "The Establishment" (i.e. anyone not in agreement with you) and you will have Hillary. We conservatives, well, we'll guarantee it.

Posted by: Malachi45 at March 10, 2016 08:22 PM (Y9zAG)

904 Math geek that I am, TallDave, I can tell you that Trump on average receives 38.27% of the vote.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 10, 2016 08:11 PM (NPofj)

And iirc Cruz is getting about 6% less. So he just has to make that up from Rubio/Kasich supporters... who say they are going to him 72/17. The math works out.

But he doesn't even have to do that, because there are so many non-Trump delegates already. Cruz has correctly determined his real problem is Rubio, because if Cruz can establish himself as the only other candidate with a significant number of delegates, he can just point at Trump, who by this point will be snorting lines spelling out KKK on off the breasts of hookers on the convention floor and say "Are you really going to nominate him?"

Posted by: TallDave at March 10, 2016 08:23 PM (74ZYB)

905 Too many "Trump Curious" is how we got into this mess.

Posted by: commonsensemom at March 10, 2016 08:24 PM (7t7Nl)

906 882 Second look at another World War where everybody but us gets blown to bits?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 10, 2016 08:05 PM (CNKtx)

Ha- but we wouldn't be spared this time around.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 10, 2016 08:33 PM (P8951)

907 Well, the yokels who are all becoming anti-Trump can promote Cruz all they want. Cruz is now a full on Establishment backed guy with the Bush team joining him and other numskulls making up their minds because some guy grabbed a woman by the arm and yanked her out of the way.
WTF?
Lets say they find a way to screw Trump out of the nomination.
Who thinks Cruz can beat Hillary? Not me. Two useless life time politicians.
And who thinks all of Trump's supporters by then will all vote for the guy who screwed him? I bet a lot of them stay home... peed off and bitter.
And Hillary wins.... unless she is facing jail and the Democrats bring in a replacement... does not matter... screwing Trump, and by definition, his supporters, will guarantee a Democrat in the White House.
So, all you deep thinkers who are using this female reporter being grabbed and stumbling as your decision maker... fess up... you were already there and just lying about making up your mind.

Posted by: PhilipJames at March 10, 2016 08:34 PM (Pbe3i)

908 We need someone who understands you need to hire the best and let them make decisions.
Posted by: doug at March 10, 2016 08:22 PM (Y7fRE)

But there's precious little evidence Trump even knows how to do that, even if we ignore his total ignorance not just of foreign policy, but of his own public statements on foreign policy, and his total lack of principles. He's a thoroughly mediocre businessman who drove four big projcts into bankruptcy and would be richer today if he had simply invested his inheritance in index funds, he is not some genius like Steve Jobs or even an astute manager like Mitt Romney.

His only discernible talent is self-promotion to the gullible.

Posted by: TallDave at March 10, 2016 08:35 PM (74ZYB)

909 The thing is, while I can't make anyone see this way, I can tell you I went from being a Type 1 person to a Type 2 person. I would waver between these views of Trump, but then eventually I was won to the Type 2 way of seeing things, and now that I see it, I can't not see it.

The problem with this, is that unless you view every candidate as a combo of type 1/type 2 views, you are probably missing something.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 10, 2016 08:35 PM (uBIfu)

910 58 has it exactly right:

Make no mistake. He is going to be the nominee. So everything at this point is not only superfluous, but a direct contribution to the other parties candidate.

Because we know what The Lying, Almost Indicted Hag will do.

Posted by: Kankles at March 10, 2016 08:36 PM (AB3kT)

911 "
Go to any source and read Reagan's resume. Then come back and reread
your post. Grew up lower middle class. The shortest segment of Reagan's
career was acting. Then he was President of SAG, a company about as big
as anything Trump ran." domiano

"Reagan joined the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) in 1937, became a member of
the union's board in 1941 and its president in 1947 and continued to
serve on the board after stepping down from the presidency in 1954"

you're saying that is far greater than the businesses Trump has run? Good grief ... he was elected to a union post, right? you think that is like starting and running a business? So the commie union thugs that visit Obama regularly are just like the guys running the auto industry or Caterpillar? Holy Cow!

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 08:37 PM (eUbDe)

912 903Nominate Trump just to say eff you to "The Establishment" (i.e. anyone not in agreement with you) and you will have Hillary. We conservatives, well, we'll guarantee it.
Posted by: Malachi45 at March 10, 2016 08:22 PM (Y9zAG)


Yes, the GOPe has made it crystal clear that they'll throw the election to Hillary to preserve their share of power and perks in DC.

And you're not "conservatives". "Traitors" is more accurate.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2016 08:38 PM (sdi6R)

913 and btw, our beloved Nancy Reagan was also Hollywood ... not that there is anything wrong with that, but that is how even those that loved her described her.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 08:41 PM (eUbDe)

914
Nominate Trump just to say eff you to "The Establishment" (i.e. anyone not in agreement with you) and you will have Hillary. We conservatives, well, we'll guarantee it.
Posted by: Malachi45 at March 10, 2016 08:22 PM (Y9zAG)

***

We don't give a fuck. We'll just blame you for staying home, and marginalize the "Conservative" Movement even further. You "Conservatives" are already well on your way to libertarian-pariah status.

You've become less the spirit of rugged individualism and more somebody's nagging fucking mother. I'm so tired of hearing about your fucking "principles," I don't know what to do. But Trump seems like a pretty good idea for a start.

I just wish I could trust that Trump will make all of you leave the Party, but knowing "Conservatives," you'll be at the Convention with a list of idiotic demands for your support (maybe Trump can ape policy-wonk Cruz, and very realistically promise to abolish the fucking IRS).

PS- A lot of us Trumpets basically are conservative Democrats, so we can ride out a Hillary term. But you Try-Cons... Your movement might as well be on the fucking bottom if the ocean in a lead coffin.

The "tell" is you keep worrying about the Republican "brand." We Trumpers piss on the idea of brands.

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 08:43 PM (/dGwh)

915 "What states can Cruz flip?"

FL. VA. OH.

Romney wins all those states against Hillary. Possibly more. Do you really think Cruz is a weaker candidate than Romney? He doesn't have Romney's biggest weaknesses, unlike Trump. LIVs loved Romney's "practical business experience" until the reality of it got hung around his neck. Trump is going to get it even worse because his ruthless, shady business deals are actually a real thing.

What are they going to hit Cruz on that'll damage him that badly?

Lack of charisma? Hillary has it worse.

Abortion? It's a worse D wedge issue than an R one right now. Can't go after him hard on it.

Government shutdown? Doubt it'll do much damage. Obamacare is deeply unpopular.

Cruz is held back right now in the General because people briefly heard about him on NBC news once and heard he's this year's firebrand Jesus candidate who wants to install a theocracy. That's not going to stick when he's on TV all the time sounding calm and logical, running on policy instead of Jesus.

To sum up, because somehow Trump supporters don't understand this obvious point:

HILLARY IS NOT OBAMA. THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT CANDIDATES.

"But Trump's winning! Obviously Trump's the best candidate, whatever those silly polls say!"

Ah, yes, the rallying cry of everyone who backs a stinker candidate. "But they're winning the primary!" I remember that back in 2008. Everybody with a brain could tell McCain was the single worst fking candidate we could run that year. "But he was winning the primaries!" The Smart Set told us. "Democrat crossover appeal." How did that turn out for us?

Same thing from the O'Donnell supporters. Nevermind she's down 15 points in the statewide poll. "That can all change, and she's winning the primary!" Again, how did that turn out?

Aside from that, Trump isn't even winning the primary. He's winning the Democrat vote, and taking advantage of the Cruz/Kasich/Rubio split. If Rubio had dropped out before Super Tuesday, Cruz would be the delegate front runner by a large margin. Cruz + Rubio delegate count is above Trump, and Rubio voters break overwhelmingly for Cruz. A majority of R voters are flat out against Trump. Trump is just a shit sandwich being shoved by the Dems down the throat of a split electorate. Exactly what happened with Akin. Same Dem strategy, same kind of ego driven lunatic of a candidate, same delusional supporters. Only this time it's the Presidency instead of a senate race.




Posted by: JT at March 10, 2016 08:45 PM (CZaQB)

916 KANKLES will be Obama III but w/o the roaring recovery, the the PAX Americana, the Implosion of the USSR, the Arab Spring, the end of the Iranian Bomb and a double peak roaring economy we have not seen in 87 years.

Hope I get that job as a bankruptcy associate - Yeh!

Posted by: Kankles at March 10, 2016 08:51 PM (AB3kT)

917 Looks like I hit a nerve. One calls me a traitor and not a conservative and one admits it's really a Dem.

You can blame us for Hillary all you like, you know different. You chose Hillary the moment you started your tantrum to nominate a fascist.

BTW, trump loses nearly every poll against Hillary. Cruz ties her and doesn't have her negatives and baggage.

Posted by: Malachi45 at March 10, 2016 08:52 PM (Y9zAG)

918 Trump seems to really like MSNBC. What's that all about?
He's a freakin' phony. If he is our next POTUS he'll probably sue any blog, radio station or news organization for slander. He is going to act like a dictator or a king.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 10, 2016 08:57 PM (7GQM/)

919 " You chose Hillary the moment you started your tantrum to nominate a fascist"

yet in the same breath "you" say Trump will negotiate too much with the Democrats.

Trump will indeed have a problem. That problem is negotiating with tea party haters like McConnell.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 08:58 PM (eUbDe)

920
There is absolutely zero evidence to support Trump winning the
general election but substantial evidence showing that Cruz can win.



#hopeandchange

Posted by: Mortimer at March 10, 2016 09:07 PM (maoCu)

921 There is absolutely zero evidence to support Trump winning the general election but substantial evidence showing that Cruz can win.

This makes no sense to me at all. Trump can clearly win with independents, blue collar Democrats, and LIVs. I see no reason to believe that Cruz can.

Like it or not, LIVs are a substantial portion of the electorate. Cruz will not win them over with intellectual arguments about the Constitution. Trump can with outrageous and controversial pronouncements. It is what it is.

But if "principled conservatives" like Bill Kristol vote for Hillary out of spite (and the desire to keep their influence and perks, but mostly out of the desire to keep their influence and perks), then Hillary will win.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2016 09:21 PM (sdi6R)

922 I totally get where you are coming from Ace, and I have always been a Cruz supporter and will continue to be, but if the GOPe installs a progressive Repub like Romney or Kasich at the convention and Trump is the only answer to that problem then Trump it is.

for me there is nothing more important than destroying the GOPe

Posted by: Shoey at March 10, 2016 09:34 PM (vA94g)

923 by: JT at March 10, 2016 08:45 PM (CZaQB)

***

Um they will absolutely go after Cruz on the fact that he won't allow a raped woman to have an abortion. It'll be quite a bit worse than calling Roses O' Donnell a disgusting pig, believe me.

As for Obamacare, when he explains he has no plan for people with pre-existing conditions, they'll hang that around his neck too.

And don't even get me started on what a Flat Tax (really much worse, a VAT) does to people on fixed incomes.

Oh yeah, he also wants to abolish the IRS, but can't/won't explain how. He passes as a policy wonk in a Republican Primary.. He will be laughed at and feared in a General Election.

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 09:41 PM (/dGwh)

924 Agree with you Ace, but I would vote for a rattlesnake before I vote for Clinton. I like that Trump tells the political class to go pound sand but don't like that he will tell anyone to go pound sand. But again, I would rather pound sand than live in a country ruled by Clinton. I think her sins are treasonous and she knows this but does'nt care.

Posted by: mikulin at March 10, 2016 10:03 PM (S9isj)

925 Bullshit! Trump haters were the first to make it clear they would "Burn it all down".

Posted by: Awnree at March 10, 2016 10:06 PM (HLYqz)

926 "There is absolutely zero evidence to support Trump winning the general election but substantial evidence showing that Cruz can win."

So many people I know loved Cruz until they were turned off by his traveling preacher show. He lost any hope of moderates and independents once he did that, politicians have used religion to death and voters aren't fooled by this anymore. He may get some evangelicals but he won't get much else.

Posted by: bob at March 10, 2016 10:07 PM (fDhyp)

927 "This makes no sense to me at all. Trump can clearly win with
independents, blue collar Democrats, and LIVs. I see no reason to
believe that Cruz can." rickl

and this is why you are on the kill list. Why do you (seem to maybe) think they care about free choice, or other such labels?

Well, i hope to survive the Bush/Cruz allegiance, globalist cabal, but let's not be too trusting.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 10, 2016 10:20 PM (eUbDe)

928 Even if this is all conceded about Trump, we face a real danger -- we could damage him fatally in the general election, and end up instead with Shelob, "the last child of Ungoliant to trouble an unhappy world."

She has arguably committed murder, definitely committed high treason, neither of which Trump has done. Let's have a sense of proportion here. Criticize specifics about him, fine, but try not to stuff him into a wood-chipper. And even if he is tacky, I do think he wants America to thrive, which is the LAST thing Shelob wants.

Posted by: Beverly at March 10, 2016 10:22 PM (nkX9E)

929 Ace, I have nothing meaningful to add to this thread, except to say thanks for the explanation. I think Trump has an important role to play in this process, and I expect that he's done playing that useful role and needs to go now.
But as a reader, I've been put off a little by what you've been saying about him because it's come across to me like you met him, he personally wronged you, and you had a personal grudge.
For a simple guy like me, it matters to know why you've been writing what you've been writing.

I feel smarter about it now. That's what I've been craving in politics lately.

Posted by: Bobby K. at March 10, 2016 10:30 PM (AJZbw)

930 ".... A salesman, trying to make a sale. And you can start to see that the salesman really has no interest in his actual product, and no real intent to abide by the terms of the contract. A salesman who is just willing to say whatever he needs you to say to sign the dotted line -- and who will decide on a case-by-case basis whether or not to abide by those contract terms, should they become inconvenient later."

Two Words:

Timeshare Sales!

Posted by: Wally at March 10, 2016 10:42 PM (+c24F)

931 917 Looks like I hit a nerve. One calls me a traitor and not a conservative and one admits it's really a Dem.

Posted by: Malachi45 at March 10, 2016 08:52 PM (Y9zAG)

Jacksonian Democrat, yes. In other words, the future of the American Right.

But I also like Jeff Sessions. My kind of Conservative.

In ten years Rubio Conservatives (which is what you are, even if you don't realize it) will be as rare as Rand Paul ones.

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 10, 2016 10:42 PM (/dGwh)

932 Trump has strong-man appeal. Serious students of American history know what the Founders thought about that.

Posted by: DriveBy at March 10, 2016 10:45 PM (osV/M)

933 Aaaaaaaace!!!

Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at March 10, 2016 11:43 PM (xSA6S)

934 BUT but but... Trump is good in business and economics and Trade.

In the debate tonight he was the ONLY ONE up there who knew the United States GDP for the past 2 quarters has been ZERO.
We haven't made anything of value for 6 months in the entire country... wait, is that true; or is Trump unclear on what GDP means?

Anyhow, ONLY Trump knows we need as re-run of the 1930 Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act; because in the 1930's the economy was Great.
What? Great Depression has the word Great RIGHT THERE.
How can you doubt that?

Sorry, if that's one of Trump's strongest categories; then he doesn't have any strong categories.

Posted by: gekkobear at March 10, 2016 11:49 PM (1tc4V)

935 The only person who has been conservative consistently and pissed off the RINO's since day one when they hated him was Cruz.

Trump only did it when his cadre of reality TV producers and media publicists predicted that pissing off people might be a good way to wake up the electorate and find a way to to the White House. So he tapped into it and sure enough he found a following that now follows him. His motive is pure and simple - Trump is for Trump as always. Raise your hand in the air and take the pledge!

Enough already, Cruz can still win the primary. Dump everybody else and support a man who has stood up for conservative values - he is the only hope we have. Every candidate has warts, it is a question of who will do what is best once elected. That would be Cruz.

Posted by: Louis at March 10, 2016 11:51 PM (BQJeD)

936 @Ace

I love ya man - but your "embarrassment" at Trump has grown in exact proportion to your perception that Cruz has a shot at the nomination. One wonders if this is why you feel the need to expound at length on why you're suddenly all anti-trump all the time. It's pure horse race, just own it.

You're right that certain voters won't be convinced to support a candidate beyond their "shame" threshold. However it's equally true that once "Cruz Curious" Trump supporters will not back you're guy after being painted as low info racists. Shame on you for buying into the "shame" logic. It's exactly what has brought us to this point as a country.

Posted by: CastleP at March 11, 2016 12:20 AM (7+oeE)

937 "I figure I owe an explanation, in case anyone cares."


I have certainly been curious. To go from "Ace awesomeness" to one of the unhinged Trump-bashers with TDS actually reminded me of a certain other blogger's meltdown from long ago.

The problem is that your explanation doesn't really help much, and is about the most anti-intellectual thing I think I've seen you write, bordering on elitism. Everything you say is true of EVERY politician, but somehow Trump deserves special ire for it. You're "offended" because Trump doesn't have time to read hundreds of articles about this stuff all day long - because he's on the stump giving - literally - 4 or 5 speeches a day. He - unlike you - recognizes that MOST people aren't judging him on how much of a lawyer he is, or how much of a debater his is, or how much of a wonk he is. They're looking for a strong ANTI-OBAMA LEADER - an Alpha male to fix the mess that's been made. He's got plenty of experts - that he (unlike Obama) actually LISTENS to for all the wonky stuff.

If you thought this through, you'd know that the way you tell what Trump ACTUALLY cares about, and what his stances ACTUALLY are, is to track what he's been saying over the years, with an ear towards WHY he said. On his core issues he's been saying the same things for literally DECADES - "Other countries are ripping us off".

Just this very evening, O'Reilly replayed an interview with him where Trump was emphasizing border security - even saying that "without a border you don't have a country". Contrary to what you say that's an EXCELLENT way to make the case in just a FEW words, and it has RESONATED. Back then, he was just talking about putting the military on the border, instead of building a wall, but that's a reasonable progression of thought on the SAME basic concern. So your suggestion that he's disingenuous in his concern is a lot of BS.

Apart from his core message, yeah, he probably really doesn't give a crap. He's a nationalist and a pragmatist, not some "true believer" ideologue.

What Trump understands is that he needs to CONNECT with the voters, and a certain amount of his "bad behavior" - the profanity, for example - is part of the way that a billionaire (who was born with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth) CONNECTS to the middle class people who are being sold out left and right.

And, BTW, Trump's CORE issues are of EXISTENTIAL importance to the Republican Party, which currently is the only party that stands against America's descent into becoming a socialist hell-hole.

Trump certainly has his faults, but without him we're back to trying to squeak out a win in a handful of swing states that are being slowly turned "blue" while we obediently adopt more and more PC rules dictated by the competition, in much the same way that the ROEs are designed to make the best military in the world fail. And we're doing that with Ted Cruz, a guy who has the same wooden and fake persona as Al Gore, who is basically STILL unvetted, and who I swear I recently heard utter the same phrase Al Gore used: "Help is on the Way", which is not exactly a Conservative sentiment. He's just that latest version of candidate who will actually manage to lose to yet another utterly awful candidate.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 11, 2016 12:37 AM (/q6+P)

938 You should be embarrassed that it took you this long.

Posted by: Darren at March 11, 2016 01:01 AM (g4Z0e)

939 Welcome back, Ace.

Posted by: FreedomFan at March 11, 2016 02:09 AM (G/RDV)

940 Serious question, Ace: all else being equal, if you thought Trump could beat Hillary because of [polls/whatever other evidence would convince you] would that change your perspective at all? As it is, you seem to be counting on Trump going broke by underestimating the taste of the American public.

Posted by: Grayscale Plaid at March 11, 2016 02:15 AM (H2Sks)

941 I stopped being "trump curious" when he gave his pandering support for ethanol in Iowa and soon after that he started behaving publicly like a democrat. God help us if it turns out to be a trump/sanders final.

Posted by: Matthew W at March 11, 2016 07:31 AM (q+zA9)

942 After looking at all of the debates, the polls, the results, and most importantly how the Hillary supporters have been acting in my area ...I think Cruz would not have as easy a time as Trump to win -- Trump actually widens the tent; Cruz will not. I can't square the logic of the voting results with the polls.
Why don't you want to win, especially against Hillary?

Posted by: unknown jane at March 11, 2016 08:38 AM (smolM)

943 I remember how thrilled Ace was at Trump busting that PC bubble months ago, the one he was hopelessly stuck in as we all were, and it was only getting worse.

Ace went on and on about the amazing feat Trump was able to accomplish where no one else could. Now, he disregards that as 'just something', not really that big a deal, hell, anyone could do it nowadays.

And now he wants Trump to give the establishment what it wants: something to mock Trump with (as its obvious whatever Trump says will only be used for that purpose), in order to take Trump out of the game for Cruz to win the nomination and inevitably lose the general. Which is what will happen.

How can you praise the brilliance of Trump in smashing the PC bullshit, easily and with few words, something none of you could do put together, then criticize him now for being the same person he was then?

What Trump did I will forever be grateful for and I am glad he is still who he is, was, and seems will be. It's a shame you now want him to be like every other politician, speaking a bunch of bullshit on policy to make you feel better and then doing jack shit when elected. That's not Trump. I think you have things quite backwards, Ace.

Posted by: Nem at March 11, 2016 09:39 AM (eLvFT)

944 "I told him, basically, that everyone has their threshold of
embarrassment. I can mock the Upper Middle Class Respectable set for
having what I think is a way-too-high sensitivity to embarrassment --
usually one strongly shaped by leftwing PC codes --but everyone has
their own level."

Embarrassment only enters into it when you've invested a part of your identity in the person who's misbehaving. This is one reason why America was working so well without crowned heads in charge -- our sovereign authority was a Constitution that only was what it was.

Men might embarrass themselves trying to portray it as meaning things it didn't, but anyone's embarrassment was because of the men, not the document.

In recent years men have succeeded instead in creating a reflex of embarrassment directed toward those who value the principles laid down in the Constitution. It's why the most despised people in America despise Ted Cruz. He embarrasses them because they have invested themselves in the argument that the Constitution lives by Humpty Dumpty rules. Cruz says it doesn't. He says it means what it says, which is written down in black and white.

Trump's rise cannot be entirely blamed on the anger of his supporters over political corruption; if it were, his supporters would have rejected him once his own corruption became apparent. Rather, the encouragement of mob emotion over reason and evidence has led to a clamor for a leader in whom all the nation's virtue shall be embodied, and on whose enemies all its troubles are to be blamed.

This isn't the first time America has traveled down this road. Andrew Jackson drew similar support. William Jennings Bryan and Huey Long did too, but didn't become president. Never mind Barack Obama.

Obama's supporters have become disillusioned and disappointed. Many of the magical thinkers still left in the Democratic Party are supporting Bernie Sanders. Others are crossing the aisle to vote for Trump.

Calling it "anger" is short-sighted. Most of the anger that supports Trump comes from people who expected more from government -- especially American constitutional government -- than it could provide.

Coddling these people serves them ill. They need to be slapped repeatedly until they grow up. If it means the wrong people keep losing elections for a while, so be it. I have a few decades left ahead of me and I'd rather not spend them watching Idiocracy prevail.

Posted by: McGehee at March 11, 2016 10:16 AM (ax/6m)

945 Sorry, Ace but too little, too late. There were many of us who saw through Trump from day one. You legitimized him and now you own him. I hope you someday see how useless your childish anger against the so-called establishment was. Thanks for contributing to the demise of our once great Republic. We'll not soon forget your role.

Posted by: Dave S at March 11, 2016 11:30 AM (lzeB4)

946 "I feel"
"I believe"
"I think"
"I suspect"

This isn't logic, it's ramblings of an over-exposed empath.

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 11, 2016 01:44 PM (7CeXo)

947 You said there are two ways to look at Trump. I dare say there are more than two.

Posted by: bour3 at March 11, 2016 01:57 PM (5x3+2)

948 Re your statement about sessions immigration plan and trump's lack of knowlege and changing it....why is sessions not recognizing and publicly challenging trump? For that matter, why aren't any of trump's endorsers who he is publicly mocking admitting that they erred and retracting their endorsement? Silly question huh? I bet there is some private regret.

Posted by: Jackie Hester at March 16, 2016 10:37 PM (Im0f6)

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